From heinitz at xxx.uk Sat May 1 00:59:28 1999 From: heinitz at xxx.uk (angel) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 23:59:28 GMT Subject: Sinister: looking forward Message-ID: <990430235928.n0006052.heinitz@pop.clara.net> you know, i've been reading all these bowlie posts and *so* wishing i'd gone. it's not the money - well, my bank balance wouldn't have been happy but it seems it would have been worth it.. the problem is i'm EXCRUTIATINGLY shy (yes, even by sinister standards), and if i'd gone i'd have had to have gone out there on me own. but i've been reading all the posts, and thinking, i WOULD have enjoyed it, i'd have loved it. i've been to festivals before with my punky skater brother and wandered about on my own all day grinning watching bands. so, i've decided: fuck it, if there's one in September, i'm going. i'll probably be very scared. but i'm quite nice (apparently), so here's the idea. if there's people who are thinking about going to the next bowlie, if there is a next bowlie, and might possibly require another person to possibly make up possible numbers in their theoretical chalet, and don't mind if that person is not very tall and not very talkative, have me![1]!! have me, i'm nice, i'll make you tapes and give you presents and follow you around nodding appreciatively; i'll support your football team[2], paint your nails a nice shade of pink and carry your hat. i'll buy yer a pint, make you a daisy chain, i won't say insulting things about your mother and if there's a spider in your way that's looking at you funny, i'll move it for you in a completely cruelty free manner. and, if alcohol is consumed in sufficient quantities, i might even be able to provide something in the way of conversation. anyone? abi, who wants to have some fun too. xxx [1] not in a sexual way, you understand. [2] not if it's rangers. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From erinlew at xxx.com Sat May 1 04:56:52 1999 From: erinlew at xxx.com (Miss Erin Nicole Lewis) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:56:52 PDT Subject: Sinister: sinister picnic in melbourne Message-ID: <19990501035656.78676.qmail@hotmail.com> Hey kids, Some nice person named Craig-Lee said: >Are the rumours of a Melbourne Sinister picnic/night at 'The Nightcat' >true??? If yes, when??? gotta love the Nightcat, R.I.P E.B.V.P...... Chris Tunnock, are you up to this? If so, someone had better tell me before I get there! My plane departs on May 4th, and I will be in Melbourne between May 6 and May 17. I hope the Nightcat plays lots of Astrud Gilberto when I get there, so I can dance dance dance to the bossa nova. I know we have a few other Sinister lurkers in Melbourne whom I'd love to meet. If there's a picnic, I'll be there. And I'll take pictures for Honey's "things I did in school" page to prove we actually had one. -Miss Erin _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Sat May 1 09:24:07 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 04:24:07 EDT Subject: Sinister: We're stereotypes, there must be more to life ... Message-ID: Good morning, Nick wrote: << Bloody hell, I didn't know cultural stereotyping could inflict such deep wounds on a nation's psyche. Crikey. I hope you're all proud of yourselves. >> Sorry, I didn't mean to come over like that ... But thanks for answering my questions! Antje +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Tjonrr at xxx.com Sat May 1 12:32:04 1999 From: Tjonrr at xxx.com (Tjonrr at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 07:32:04 EDT Subject: Sinister: youve got to sleep late when you can... Message-ID: <29c951d5.245c4034@aol.com> >stevie was asked a few times whether he was the young actor from "the >small faces" yeah, dead ringer, that guy whose on the "DONT DRINK!, itll make you TALK SHITE!" advert, you know, the one where the wee guy out of small faces drinks and then talks shite. in fact come to think it might be a HEBS advert, in which case while everyone on this list in scotland is nodding knowledgably, everyone else is looking at me funny right now. just to confuse you further, this is where the paragraph which the subject header refers to was, but i have just deleted it due to it being overly offensive. which sort of renders this post pointless. so maybe i should at least put some sort of flaming lips reference somewhere: it was nice to see mr coyne make use of his gong at bowlie. its sort of a rock cliche to have a big gong at the back of the stage for the whole set, only for the drummer to get up and hit it once, at the end of the last number. so i feared the worst when it was wheeled onstage, but it got a good pasting throughout. i hope that has appeased the baying masses of flaming lips fans. i think its a crying shame that anyone should be too shy to go to bowlie. i was too shy to talk to anyone remotely sinister (that kiss/makeup stuff in my last post was a blatant lie) but i managed to overcompensate for this by throwing coins at seagulls. big-buddha-belly-ben, being much more devious by nature than me, was luring them to underneath the balcony with bits of bread and then spraying them with his supersoaker thing. all this was done as revenge for the numerous bird attacks on sinister people, as documented on the list recently. at least thats my story and im sticking to it. i have to go now to kick a goose to death, from tjohn. (right now i am listening to blossoms falling by ooberman. this should have been the soundtrack to bowlie, except it was released the day after it ended. oops). +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Sat May 1 14:40:19 1999 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:40:19 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Still Bowled Over Message-ID: <199905010940_MC2-7422-2E3C@compuserve.com> Happy May Day Weekend Sinistereens, Yet more Bowlie ravings. Jarvis Cocker: we bumped into him wearing his mac after V-Twin finished, having his picture taken with someone (was that you Care Bear? with a bag slung over your left shoulder?). Sally took a photo, but was too awe-struck to speak to him, so I did so that she could too. He was chatty enough, but a bit aloof/just being cool. We discussed why he wasn't wearing a gorilla suit, and his TV series. (Because I don't really like Pulp! Sally does though) He was upset that the programmes hadn't been shown at a primer time. Mr Dastoor (who really looks like Nick Dastoor) wrote: Laurel, for her one-woman Isobel Campbell bombing campaign. Hmmm. I think Sally flew co-pilot on at least one mission. She also called out "Snap!" to the following ink polaroid, especially the bit about Mick: This one's during 'If You're Feeling Sinister'. It's taken from a great position, only one row from the front and dead centre. The band look good. Except Straun - he needs to do something about his hair. All eyes are on Stevie, who is grinning like an idiot, clearly enjoying the adulation that his fantastic steel-guitaresque playing is receiving. Mick's smiling too, obviously pleased with his mastery of the opening guitar chords. Bowlie II: I get the impression that its Foundation, the promoters, who are organising more events. Therefore if there is another, it won't be called Bowlie, and it won't have anything to do with Belle & Sebastian. Poo or what? Bunked off work early yesterday to see Sodastream's in-store. They were great: played really intensely for an hour to an audience of 18 adults, 1 toddler & 1 baby in a sweaty record shop. Free gig, free beer, a free single: what more could you ask for? Rough Trade got me to get my plastic out 4 times though: Karl's single, a John McEntire soundtrack thingie, and new ones by Arab Strap & Suede. Now even more on the listening pile for this weekend, so its lucky I have 2 weeks' ironing to catch up on! The Belle and Sebastian story seems to be being scripted by Brookside's writers at the moment. Triumphant Bowlie gig putting an end to all the complaints ever voiced by critics or fans, swiftly followed by a debacle at Dublin ending in temper tantrums. All hold hands and wish them well and no more tensions please, before someone does something irrevocable. Some whipper-snapper 39 year old wrote about being the oldest Sinistereen: I think you 'll have to try harder, as I'll be 43 on the 12th & I don't think even I'm the oldest. Every shade of envious green imaginable, as I know someone who's got the B&S Bowlie video to watch for the weekend, (Please Release It, Let It Go - to whoever owns the rights) Lots of love, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Sat May 1 20:16:09 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 20:16:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Where have all my list crush votes gone? Message-ID: <372B52F9.314E9A53@student.paisley.ac.uk> I went to have a wee gander to see if my list crush tally had gone up any since my drunken tweekend at Camber Sands, and was most impressed to see that I was second !!! Then I realised that I was only second because I am the first person in alphabetical order, and everyone's votes have been scrubbed and Laurel is only ahead of everyone as she is the only person who has any votes at all. So I just wanted to alert you all to the fact that you will have to go and start voting again :) I feel I may be worse off this time round, as the only person I know that voted for me isn't on Sinister anymore. Anyway I am not going to vote for ages now, so if you go and look and see that someone that isn't Laurel has a vote, it is NOT your vote from me, OK? On a post-Bowlie note, I am most peeved to find that it is Saturday evening and I have bugger all to do. This time last week I was in the pub, toasting the achievements of the Sinister football stars, and pretending I hadn't heard the Celtic v St Johnstone score. Now I am in the computing labs in Paisley University, humming "Paper Boat" to myself and wishing I was on a beach with you lot. It's most disappointing to be home :( Another Bowlie memory: Chap in a shop on the way to the beach: "What are all these people here for?" His mate: "Isn't there a line dancing festival on?" Hmmmmmmm. Explains the preponderance of cowboy hats around the site, I suppose... In the huff as the Delgados are playing in Glasgow the night before my final exam, Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tinystar at xxx.com Sat May 1 23:50:55 1999 From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 18:50:55 -0400 Subject: Sinister: don't call yourself a lover until you've seen my new pants Message-ID: <000901be9425$2f3a4000$1a1e05d1@oemcomputer> hey ho sinistereees, i was all secretly glowy because i was tied for first on the list crush poll, and then whoosh, i take a peek today and i have no votes. NO VOTES! it's so sad, to go from such a high to such a low. so i do have to promote shamelessly, and recommend that you go to the listcrush page (http://listcrush.future.easyspace.com) and vote for me again. if i make it into the top ten, i'll post a saucy picture on my webpage (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/3733) . how's that for incentive? because really, it's all about external validation. and smut. such a pathetic level of smut around these parts in the last while, i'm glad to see that bowlie brought that to another level. i've still got mono (it takes ages to go away, doesn't it?) so there will be no kissing for me, even at the pecola/truman's water show on wednesday at the el mocambo. if you're in toronto, you should really go because firstly, it's pecola's last show, and secondly, i'll be there in top form. just look for the girl that looks like me. silly, my photo's on the sinister page if you don't know what i'm talking about. i'm sure i'll remind you about it again, but do feel free to say hello, i am very nice and will only make you sick if i kiss you. which i won't do, since we're strangers. i'll likely be at the front taking photos and pretending that i know everybody. which i very well could, but don't be frightened. i must admit that i haven't ventured out to the record shops here to look for either the looper or the gentle waves albums, but according to my parasol update, gentle waves is $25.50usd. erm, a bit pricey, yes? even though it's isobel, i'm not up to paying $38cdn for a cd that i've heard some iffy things about. did anyone mention the gentle waves thing in the face? it's in the issue with brett anderson on the cover. and looper in dazed and confused? that's right, they get a lovely spread and even their name on the spine. it's issue #53, the one with the goldie drumn'bass supplement. if you want them typed up, just let me know and i'll share with everyone. zubzubzub, i think it's time for another nap. but maybe a popsicle first. mmm, grape. sweetness, jessicaxo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m (it's lovely being a girl) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Sun May 2 02:18:51 1999 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 02:18:51 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Everybody's free to wear sunscreen In-Reply-To: <000901be9425$2f3a4000$1a1e05d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 May 1999, jessica wrote: > shamelessly, and recommend that you go to the listcrush page > (http://listcrush.future.easyspace.com) and vote for me again. if i make it > into the top ten, i'll post a saucy picture on my webpage > (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/3733) . how's that for incentive? > because really, it's all about external validation. and smut. such a > pathetic level of smut around these parts in the last while, i'm glad to see > that bowlie brought that to another level. Well OK then, if you all vote for me I promise I WON'T post any saucy photos of me. Because otherwise they'd put you off your dinner. That should be incentive enough for y'all... > i've still got mono (it takes ages to go away, doesn't it?) so there will be > no kissing for me, even at the pecola/truman's water show on wednesday at > the el mocambo. if you're in toronto, you should really go because firstly, > it's pecola's last show, and secondly, i'll be there in top form. just look > for the girl that looks like me. silly, my photo's on the sinister page if > you don't know what i'm talking about. i'm sure i'll remind you about it > again, but do feel free to say hello, i am very nice and will only make you > sick if i kiss you. which i won't do, since we're strangers. i'll likely be > at the front taking photos and pretending that i know everybody. which i > very well could, but don't be frightened. I would just like to say at this point that Jessica's postings are far more entertaining to read when you're completely plastered. Not that they're dull otherwise, of course. Oh bugger. I'll just shut up before I drop myself any deeper in the shit then. > i must admit that i haven't ventured out to the record shops here to look > for either the looper or the gentle waves albums, but according to my > parasol update, gentle waves is $25.50usd. erm, a bit pricey, yes? even > though it's isobel, i'm not up to paying $38cdn for a cd that i've heard > some iffy things about. Well we all know that the Generous Warthogs album is vastly overpriced, given that it's only got 31 minutes of music on it. But rumour has it that the record stores are selling it for double the price Jeepster are selling it to them for. If you hunt around you might be able to find a more sensible independant record store selling it for a reasonable price. Anyway, the reason I'm writing (apart from that I'm far too drunk to go to sleep, and of course there's no possibility that I'll embarass myself in front of 1000 people, on the basis that you all think I talk shite normally anyway, so it doesn't matter if I'm drunk or not) is to remind people of the wonderful picnic that's planned for Monday afternoon / evening in Primrose Hill in London. Bring food, bring alcohol, bring games, bring friends, and bring sunblock if the weather's as nice as it's forecast to be. In answer to several people's questions, absolutely anybody is welcome, you don't have to have been on this list for two years, newbies are more than welcome. Especially any good looking women out there ;-) I'll be the one outside Camden Town tube station wearing a B&S T-shirt at 2pm... Big Stu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From painbirds at xxx.com Sun May 2 10:27:57 1999 From: painbirds at xxx.com (Craig-Lee Thompson) Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 02:27:57 PDT Subject: Sinister: Melbourne Night(cat) made official Message-ID: <19990502092757.57410.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello all, In the tradition of the Sinister picnic and for the estranged Melbournites who could not attend Bowlie, we (Craig-Lee & Chris)shall be attending the Melbourne Picnic/night at the Nightcat. Post three Latino dance sets, onto Supermarket for B&S requests. We are particularly looking forward to the memorial drink coasters, so come all on Saturday the 15th of May. For more info e-mail this address or the organiser!! Here from you soon, Craig-Lee & Chris..... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Sun May 2 10:30:11 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 05:30:11 EDT Subject: Sinister: Sunday's always boring ... (well, it wasn't last week) Message-ID: <1a8f8509.245d7523@aol.com> Hiya! The mail I sent yesterday came back because of some firewall - whatever that is. I hope this one will reach you. Why are there always so few postings on the weekends when I've got the most time to read? Are you all posting from university/work/school? One more thing about Dublin: >>the band had been in eamon dorans the night before hanging out.. that is without isobel or stuart... Did you know that it was Isobel's birthday on Tuesday? Maybe they were celebrating it together, just the 2 of them. Or maybe not ... Is anyone else worried about Stuart after hearing about that gig? Only 3 days before (was it really only one week ago?) he looked so happy. I hope he's alright. To everyone who's going to the London picnic tomorrow: Have a lot of fun! I wish I could be there. Goodbye Antje +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From louise at xxx.uk Sun May 2 10:37:28 1999 From: louise at xxx.uk (Louise) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 10:37:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: more bowlie ramblings Message-ID: <001d01be947f$88d57300$34c2883e@computer> Dear list A week later and still wearing my wrist band. I have to say it was probably the best weekend ever. Despite the fact that I met no listees at all. I wore my upside-down badge at all times, but I didn't even see any others. I think that whenever any of you saw mine you quickly re-arranged yours so you didn't have to speak to me - boo! Anyhow when Stuart said - 'I think monica's here' I nearly wet my pants, Lazy Line Painter Jane made up for being ignored. What did you think of the Divine Comedy? - I always thought they were a bit dull but they played a really rocky set which was fantastic. And Brian the bassist was wearing my hair slide - he borrowed it just before they went on! I thought Camera Obscura and Mercury Rev were fantastic as well. I'm thinking of doing a B&S night in Brighton maybe in July - kind of like the 200 troubled teenagers thing (Select journalists banned though). Does anyone have the phone no. of the guy called Joe who organised it? I wanted to ask him to come and play some records. I heard the re-mastered version of tigermilk last week. I knew it was going to sound a bit different but it's been tweaked and perfected and sounds absolutely beautiful. I didn't get to see the ground-breaking cover design though - oh well. Bye Louise +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tzuckerman at xxx.edu Sun May 2 13:04:09 1999 From: tzuckerman at xxx.edu (The Trainspotter) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 08:04:09 -0400 Subject: Sinister: London Calling; No B&S Message-ID: <002e01be9493$e42e5e60$47975ed1@jubilee> ok, I'm going to london june 15 til the 29. I've lived there before but not in the past five years. any gigs shops recommendations, etc.? I know things have changed loads since i've last been. ok, that's it rilly. oh, and that a picnic should be planned again for around that time so I can meet you kids. i'll bring shrinky dinks even. -teri http://come.to/teri - Inspired by the writings of the eighteeth century Venetian gambler, eroticist and spy. "It's a moorhen. It's male. The males are always better looking than the females. The females tend to be a bit dowdy...it's a mod thing" -----Original Message----- From: jessica To: sinister Date: Saturday, May 01, 1999 6:52 PM Subject: Sinister: don't call yourself a lover until you've seen my new pants >hey ho sinistereees, > >i was all secretly glowy because i was tied for first on the list crush >poll, and then whoosh, i take a peek today and i have no votes. NO VOTES! >it's so sad, to go from such a high to such a low. so i do have to promote >shamelessly, and recommend that you go to the listcrush page >(http://listcrush.future.easyspace.com) and vote for me again. if i make it >into the top ten, i'll post a saucy picture on my webpage >(http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/3733) . how's that for incentive? >because really, it's all about external validation. and smut. such a >pathetic level of smut around these parts in the last while, i'm glad to see >that bowlie brought that to another level. > >i've still got mono (it takes ages to go away, doesn't it?) so there will be >no kissing for me, even at the pecola/truman's water show on wednesday at >the el mocambo. if you're in toronto, you should really go because firstly, >it's pecola's last show, and secondly, i'll be there in top form. just look >for the girl that looks like me. silly, my photo's on the sinister page if >you don't know what i'm talking about. i'm sure i'll remind you about it >again, but do feel free to say hello, i am very nice and will only make you >sick if i kiss you. which i won't do, since we're strangers. i'll likely be >at the front taking photos and pretending that i know everybody. which i >very well could, but don't be frightened. > >i must admit that i haven't ventured out to the record shops here to look >for either the looper or the gentle waves albums, but according to my >parasol update, gentle waves is $25.50usd. erm, a bit pricey, yes? even >though it's isobel, i'm not up to paying $38cdn for a cd that i've heard >some iffy things about. did anyone mention the gentle waves thing in the >face? it's in the issue with brett anderson on the cover. and looper in >dazed and confused? that's right, they get a lovely spread and even their >name on the spine. it's issue #53, the one with the goldie drumn'bass >supplement. if you want them typed up, just let me know and i'll share with >everyone. > >zubzubzub, i think it's time for another nap. but maybe a popsicle first. >mmm, grape. > >sweetness, >jessicaxo > >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside >the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even >orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos. >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m (it's lovely being a girl) > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ > +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnk at xxx.gr Sun May 2 13:42:36 1999 From: johnk at xxx.gr (John Koliopanos) Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 15:42:36 +0300 Subject: Sinister: Swinging Rattail (b & s bowlie pic) Message-ID: <372C483C.77A03A3E@flash.gr> Hiya Sinister, Just so you know that there's a belle and sebastian Bowlie photo at the below site: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/6899/latest.htm Unfortunately, it's quite obscure but some of you might be able to spot the back of their heads! There you can also find photos by Mercury Rev, Jon Spencer Blues Explosion and Camera Obscura . . . John x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnk at xxx.gr Sun May 2 13:42:36 1999 From: johnk at xxx.gr (John Koliopanos) Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 15:42:36 +0300 Subject: Sinister: Swinging Rattail (b & s bowlie pic) Message-ID: <372C483C.77A03A3E@flash.gr> Hiya Sinister, Just so you know that there's a belle and sebastian Bowlie photo at the below site: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/6899/latest.htm Unfortunately, it's quite obscure but some of you might be able to spot the back of their heads! There you can also find photos by Mercury Rev, Jon Spencer Blues Explosion and Camera Obscura . . . John x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordi-tv at xxx.com Sun May 2 14:21:18 1999 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 14:21:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Bow pics Message-ID: <19990502172118.HM.00000000000LBLO@mixmail.com> My dearly beloved sinisterites: Can anyone send me some pics from the Looper or Camera obscura gigs ? I�ve been trying to get into the adress that John K. has given us, but there are some technical problems. Anyway, if anyone knows any other adress, please be kind to help a kind soul. Bye. ================================================== Jordiet Sinistre ================================================== Tu E-Mail Gratis en http://www.olemail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From karastar at xxx.com Sun May 2 14:25:24 1999 From: karastar at xxx.com (Kara Baer) Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 06:25:24 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Care Bear Stare Message-ID: Hi everybody! I think the weather has finally turned here in Glasgow. It's been so nice, too. Everyone is out and about in the parks turning pink in the sun. I was sitting at my window yesterday, when who should walk by but Sturan himself. So I shouted out my window to him. He came over and shouted back. I asked him about the infamous "guitar smashing incident." All I could get out of him was that the guitar was made in 1962. Rock 'n' Roll! Mr. David Moore queries: > Jarvis Cocker: we bumped into him wearing his mac > after V-Twin finished, having his picture taken with > someone (was that you Care Bear? with a bag slung > over your left shoulder?) Yup, that was me! I haven't been called Care Bear since I was in second grade, though. I used to go home in tears from the taunts. (Not that I'm bitter..) The Amphetameanies played last night at the QM. It was some fun skankin'. I quite fancy their guitarist. You know, the one who dances.. I don't know about the rest of you, but I keep seeing Bowlie people all over Glasgow. We see each other and smile and nod and stop to relive memories. Le sigh... Love Kara *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Sun May 2 19:01:51 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 14:01:51 EDT Subject: Sinister: it's me again ... Message-ID: <1c4fb514.245ded0f@aol.com> Hi! Louise asked: >>What did you think of the Divine Comedy? Well, they were one of the bands I went to Camber for ... And they were definitely worth it! >>And Brian the bassist was wearing my hair slide - he borrowed it just before they went on! Aah, that's nice ... He was looking really sweet with it. Good night, Antje +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.net Sun May 2 19:45:45 1999 From: honey at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 19:45:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: mummy's home Message-ID: Hello everyone - just a quick whisper to tell you I'm now finally doing some updates to the WWW pages, as an excuse to stay inside today and get the feeling back in me legs. So if anyone's not out there on a village green playing hopscotch with nanny, and wants something to do, pop along to the Sinister WWW site to see: o Three new stories by Jessica, Jarkko and Blake in the Sinister Midnight Lending Library http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/library o Two new photo pages: picnics, pubs and conferences - now featuring Sweden: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/cgi-local/photo.cgi?gallery=picnics concerts - some old stuff made to look as if it's new, David Moore's sheet of "The Kid's Are Alright" lyrics nicked from the Bowlie stage and an aching gap where Bowlie photos will be soon: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/cgi-local/photo.cgi?gallery=concerts If you have any Bowlie or Dublin pictures, or in fact any B&S concert, picnic or Sinister orgy pictures and would like to show us all, just send them to me, JPG format, and send along a little text to describe them if you want. Just your own photos, not press ones, because we like to keep it in the family don't we? Did anyone send me any that aren't there? If anyone wants to send along some text for the older photos on those two pages too, I'd doff my cap to them as I'm dead busy just now. Finally: stand by in trembling anticipation for the Bowlie setlist scribbles, and the sexiest goddam photo of Mick, Stuart and a Megaphone you've ever seen in your life, courtesy of Sinister photographer Starry Starriness. Did anyone mention that during the session when the band busked with The Megaphone for the queueing masses at Cambers Sands, they played "Maggie May" and "Suspicious Minds"? Probably - I haven't even started to catch up yet and if you've mailed me about listish things, could you bear to tolerate my slowness for a few days? It's 7:30pm and I'm still in bed. honey x P.S. The list is still running in "full-automatic" mode rather than "honey gives it little nudges" mode so people who are used to their mails from alternate mail accounts getting through to the list might be sorely disappointed. Mail me privately and I'll tell you how to make this work without waiting in a queue for me to do it manually. Because I'm fickle and unreliable. Stop press: Starry's sex-god photo is now up on the concert page. Megaphones of Sex. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Mon May 3 07:45:42 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 23:45:42 PDT Subject: Sinister: a bit of B&S in the end, but otherwise its an european experince. Message-ID: <19990503064542.86533.qmail@hotmail.com> On April 30th, Angel wrote: "...so i do have to promote shamelessly, and recommend that you go to the listcrush page (http://listcrush.future.easyspace.com) and vote for me again. if i make it into the top ten, i'll post a saucy picture on my webpage (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/3733) . how's that for incentive?" Hmm, sounds nice. I am a man who does anything to see a bit of skin. Which is pretty damn pathetic. And this is one of the easiest ways i can think of. Ill do it, youve got my vote. And Power15755 wrote: ">I really envy the people on this list who can think of something interesting or funny to write almost every day. But anyway, I'm German, I'm not supposed to be funny or interesting. I leave that to the Brits." And heres a few more: -We Finns drink like hell and we all carry knives. Well the first part is real, the latter is not. We also go to sauna and run around our cottages in snow, buttnaked. That is true, you know. And soooo much fun. They interviewed Sarah Brightman on finnish telly yesterday, btw. She said she loves our country because of the northern lights... and the IGLOOS! Ok, I haven't seen an igloo in my entire life, and I've spent my time here for the past 22 years. Yep, from now on you can call me "The Mighty Eskimo-king". That woman has no brains. -All swedish girls are easy. Have no idea about that one, but I doubt it. Been to those Helsinki-Stockholm-Helsinki cruises (48 hours or partying) quite often, so I should know, though. -All Irish people are drunks. Doubt that too. They say the same thing about us. And were not. Honestly. -Germans have no sense of humour. Not true. They have a sense of humour, but it pretty fucking strange. I have this german music-channel called Viva, and they send out programs that I THINK are supposed to be hilarious. Erm.... Sorry, but I never get it. And now on to other stuff. Ok, Im trying to get some people together for the big Scandinavian meetup, but no-one seems to be intersted. Come on... Everybody else is doing it, why can't we? -Jake. "Beeb beeb whos got the keys to my jeep?" -Missy Elliot. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Mon May 3 08:00:22 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 00:00:22 PDT Subject: Sinister: Oooops.... Message-ID: <19990503070022.40595.qmail@hotmail.com> Whoah. If you read my post before this one (sorry, i wont bother you anymore today after this) It wasnt Angel who I was supposed to vote, It was Jessica (you know, the "vote me/skin bit). Sorry Angel. And you said you were shy too... my mistake!=) -jake, leaving you all alone now. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Mon May 3 08:00:22 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 00:00:22 PDT Subject: Sinister: Oooops.... Message-ID: <19990503070022.40595.qmail@hotmail.com> Whoah. If you read my post before this one (sorry, i wont bother you anymore today after this) It wasnt Angel who I was supposed to vote, It was Jessica (you know, the "vote me/skin bit). Sorry Angel. And you said you were shy too... my mistake!=) -jake, leaving you all alone now. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Mon May 3 06:34:23 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 22:34:23 PDT Subject: Sinister: "Never gonna give you up, cause its the final countdown..." Message-ID: <19990503053423.70460.qmail@hotmail.com> Ok, subscribed to sinister again. Two months off and now I've got myself a new job where I can make good use of my workinghours here and read the posts. Bad timing, though. People ramble about Bowlie and how nice and wonderful it was (MARIA, I havent heard a word from you, had a nice time?). I wasnt there, mainly because I didnt have the 400+ pounds or so it would've took me to get there, so I went to this 80's retroclub here in Helsinki instead. But I heard a few songs from The Smiths and The Cure there, so I quess it wasn't that bad. And some Kylie. And Rick Astley. And EUROPE, for ����s sake. No wait, it was that bad. Was a big fan of all of them once, though. Especially Kylie. Was one of the first lassies that really got my hormones going back in the good ol' days. Maybe it was that big flock of hair. @--->--- jake. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Mon May 3 15:36:38 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:36:38 EDT Subject: Sinister: a bit of B&S in the end, but otherwise its an european experince. Message-ID: <5836115e.245f0e76@aol.com> Hello my hopefully soon-to-be friends, Jake said: << -Germans have no sense of humour. Not true. They have a sense of humour, but it pretty fucking strange. I have this german music-channel called Viva, and they send out programs that I THINK are supposed to be hilarious. Erm.... Sorry, but I never get it. >> Don't worry most of the time I don't get them either. That's one of the reasons why I don't watch that channel anymore. The other one is the crappy music. But apart from that: Has anyone else ever really regretted saying something on this list? I'm new, please be patient with me! Thank you. Antje +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kenny at xxx.uk Mon May 3 16:24:39 1999 From: kenny at xxx.uk (Jake) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:24:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: picnics and flaming lips......... Message-ID: <199905031526.QAA20809@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> Hi there all, I hope that everyone who went to the picnic had a great time, perfect weather too, who'ld have thought it; a bank holiday and sunny weather? I was going to come along but my legs ceased up, i guess they suddenly remembered all those crunching flying tackles that they suffered on the beach, and decided to stop me going. What i'm really writing for is to tell everyone, especially those who where at bowlie, is that on Lamacq Live tonight apperently he is playing a flaming lips gig which could well be the one from bowlie. I just thought that you might all want to relive that "live changing experience" (copyright Stuart David) but you'll have to provide your own hand puppets, gongs and cinematic back drops. see ya jake +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From untitled at xxx.com Mon May 3 17:25:16 1999 From: untitled at xxx.com (Robert Foster) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:25:16 -0400 Subject: Sinister: You made me forget my...Underpants Message-ID: <199905031226_MC2-744F-A661@compuserve.com> I've just had a Belle and Sebastian dream, I've had a few. One was where I was with my dad waiting to see The Gentle Waves, when the girl guitarist from their support band asked me to hold her guitar. This I did happily because she was quite friendly, then she asked me what I was doing and I replied "Oh, I'm doing the advanced next year", she left me alone after that. This one though was when I was dreaming that I was reading a popular Sunday supplement in the Daily Mail. In the back it listed the top ten. Belle and Sebastian had a new song called Pop & Veins, it was obviously quite popular because it was at number 6. Number 1 was the Stereophonics, I don't know what their song was called. Steps were no where to be seen. Horses +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah at xxx.uk Mon May 3 18:20:20 1999 From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 18:20:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: brrr brr shiver shiver In-Reply-To: <199905031226_MC2-744F-A661@compuserve.com> References: <199905031226_MC2-744F-A661@compuserve.com> Message-ID: Sinister! (honey have I made your phone beep yet?) My photo of Stuart and Mick, it IS dead sexy, go to honeys page which is blah blah http://www.majordomo.net/sinister, look under photos, then B&S concerts and the picture is titled StarrysMegaphone or something. GO LOOK! Yeah! Dream! I had a B&S dream! Yeah! OK, basically, Stuart was sitting next to me on the Bowlie bus instead of Chris, and when Sezzie was shouting at us to moon, Stuart pulled down his shorts of sex and mooned out of the window. Then ruder things happened later but I'm not going to say what they are. Cos I bet Magnetic Megan will analyse it and secretly get me commited behind my back. Or just point and shout FREAK at me. Stuart has got such a lovely behind! He's going to marry me you know. Even if he thinks I'm a geek. Apparently I've been informed that theres a huge B&S article in hoary smelly Record Collector magazine. Its suposed to be muy informativo but I'm afraid I don't care... have Belle and Sebastian ever been in Smash Hits? Apart from being slagged off by Steps fans? Did you know theres barely ANYWHERE on the internet you can download Steps songs? I can't find any anyway. I'll go and look again after I post this. I found Cleopatra nooo problem. I'm cold now. I'm wearing my summer outfit of VEST TOP (which I'm never wearing in public) and SHORTS (!!!) but as I'm sat in my freezing cold house I'm cold. I went and sat in the sun for 50 minutes and I'm SURE that I burnt. The rest of my Bowlie photos will hopefully be scanned in tommorrow, cross your fingers for me... I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!! Sarah +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Mon May 3 07:45:42 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 23:45:42 PDT Subject: Sinister: a bit of B&S in the end, but otherwise its an european experince. Message-ID: <19990503064542.86533.qmail@hotmail.com> On April 30th, Angel wrote: "...so i do have to promote shamelessly, and recommend that you go to the listcrush page (http://listcrush.future.easyspace.com) and vote for me again. if i make it into the top ten, i'll post a saucy picture on my webpage (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/3733) . how's that for incentive?" Hmm, sounds nice. I am a man who does anything to see a bit of skin. Which is pretty damn pathetic. And this is one of the easiest ways i can think of. Ill do it, youve got my vote. And Power15755 wrote: ">I really envy the people on this list who can think of something interesting or funny to write almost every day. But anyway, I'm German, I'm not supposed to be funny or interesting. I leave that to the Brits." And heres a few more: -We Finns drink like hell and we all carry knives. Well the first part is real, the latter is not. We also go to sauna and run around our cottages in snow, buttnaked. That is true, you know. And soooo much fun. They interviewed Sarah Brightman on finnish telly yesterday, btw. She said she loves our country because of the northern lights... and the IGLOOS! Ok, I haven't seen an igloo in my entire life, and I've spent my time here for the past 22 years. Yep, from now on you can call me "The Mighty Eskimo-king". That woman has no brains. -All swedish girls are easy. Have no idea about that one, but I doubt it. Been to those Helsinki-Stockholm-Helsinki cruises (48 hours or partying) quite often, so I should know, though. -All Irish people are drunks. Doubt that too. They say the same thing about us. And were not. Honestly. -Germans have no sense of humour. Not true. They have a sense of humour, but it pretty fucking strange. I have this german music-channel called Viva, and they send out programs that I THINK are supposed to be hilarious. Erm.... Sorry, but I never get it. And now on to other stuff. Ok, Im trying to get some people together for the big Scandinavian meetup, but no-one seems to be intersted. Come on... Everybody else is doing it, why can't we? -Jake. "Beeb beeb whos got the keys to my jeep?" -Missy Elliot. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From C.M.D.Loo at xxx.uk Mon May 3 19:49:34 1999 From: C.M.D.Loo at xxx.uk (CMD LOO) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:49:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: marine research at THE MONACH on 07/05 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: HIya SInisterians, Does anyone knows the directions to THE MONACH PUB in London? MARine ReSearch will be performing on this FRI. Anyone from this list going? Cheers D A N I E L O O "It takes Strength to be GENTLE and KIND" M O R R I S S E Y +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kenny at xxx.uk Mon May 3 21:09:23 1999 From: kenny at xxx.uk (Jake) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:09:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: eek.....sorry Message-ID: <199905032011.VAA13289@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> It turns out that the "gig" by the flaming lips that i had mentionned is just a session spread over the next four evenings on the evening session. sorry jake +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnk at xxx.gr Mon May 3 21:56:01 1999 From: johnk at xxx.gr (John Koliopanos) Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 23:56:01 +0300 Subject: Sinister: marine research at THE MONACH on 07/05 References: Message-ID: <372E0D60.16FED9E2@flash.gr> Hi Daniel, It's actually called the Monarch and you can find accurate directions (incl. photographs) at: http://members.tripod.com/~j_rattail/venues/monarch.htm Marine Research are also playing on Saturday the 15th at the Rex, Stratford, London with Fugazi and Shellac. If anyone on the list is planning on going to any of those gigs and has bootlegging equipment (whoops that sounded a bit sleazy), please, pretty please drop me a line! Thanks in advance. By the way, did anyone go to MR / Sleater-Kinney at the Garage last Tuesday? HOW was it? John x m a r i n e r e s e a r c h http://members.xoom.com/MR_98/ CMD LOO wrote: > HIya SInisterians, > > Does anyone knows the directions to THE MONACH PUB in London? MARine > ReSearch will be performing on this FRI. Anyone from this list going? > > Cheers > > D A N I E L O O > > "It takes Strength to be GENTLE and KIND" > M O R R I S S E Y > > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ > +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Mon May 3 23:59:31 1999 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 18:59:31 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Greetings Message-ID: <199905031859_MC2-7456-6413@compuserve.com> Hi All, Wishing A Happy Coronation Day to all our Thai readers :) David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Tue May 4 00:57:21 1999 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 16:57:21 PDT Subject: Sinister: i`ll aye ca`in by yon toon! Message-ID: <19990503235722.63548.qmail@hotmail.com> Hey, Fever! it`s times like this,I`m happy to be alive..you know those awful Mother retorts with the `Well I gave you life` (the reply to any wish or want unfulfilled) normally,you can just yell back `Well did I ASK for it?` but today,i am glad i happened...oh, it`s officially summer! perhaps not the real number,but the real numbers are for boring old biddy`s, real summer,it`s in your soul,your heart,your loins... you know what i mean,man? it`s great! emerald green grass and the smell of coconut sunscreen everywhere,all these canadians running around in halter tops with sunburns. As I walked by the river on saturday, all the couples were loving it up underneath the trees,swaying in the wind, sigh...lovlieness! I`m postively entranced by these bowlie tales,and i just like to say, although i may die a million times after reading such imagery as `stuart scanned the horizon,put his hand over his heart,acted out the motion to the songs` (Oh,Bless him! Bless his little adorable self!)and I may get jealous,i do enjoy hearing these tales,so you don`t have to put the disclaimer with the `warning,bowlie tales` etc,well maybe for some i suppose you do,but not me,i like them! anticiaption..that`s the best part isn`t it? (or is that just something they say to make the s!t!i!n!k!e!r!s feel better?) so i am just gonna sit here and anticapate untill all my dreams come true i am QUITE disturbed by stuart smashing his guitar...say it ins`t true! no seriously,it upsets me. Struan,did you ever know you were my hero? You`re everything i would like to be.I can fly higher than an eagle. I dont like that type of behavious from stuart murdoch,its not HIM,it reveals an inner turmoil that maybe we all looked past,being taken in with The Arms.What was with that? Why did he do that? it looked like he was having such a good time at all the bowlie pictures i`ve seen, oh,his precious little heart doesn`t need this, has that Isobel been causing a ruckus? just say the word struan... Oh..and Starry,I would just like to say,I looked at that picture and it is indeed lovely.It`s even inspired my good friend Gunther to write a poem,called `Milky White Freckled Buttock` it will bring tears to your eyes. i still have a strange suspicion i`m not hearing the REAL bowlie facts. much love, genevieve went out for the weekend, it lasted forever got high with a friend, it`s officially summer! (i got the joy,joy,joy,joy down in my heart "where?" down in my heart! "where?" down in my heart! and if the devil doesnt like it he can sit on a pin "ouch!" sit on a pin!) p.s i heard that rebecca romjin-stamos joined this list?? is that seriously true! sorry if i blew your cover rebecca pooh,but we arent freaks on here or anything. Can you crack walnuts with your thighs? "I can!" shrieked Stuart David from the corner,his face tickled pink with excitement. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jaguar at xxx.gr Tue May 4 01:08:59 1999 From: jaguar at xxx.gr (Panos Karafotias) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 03:08:59 +0300 Subject: Sinister: B&S in Record Collector Message-ID: <002101be95c2$577daa40$c174a7c3@thejag> Belle and Sebastian are covered in the May issue of british magazine Record Collector.The articles are great.It's quite big and I can't copy it all here. Panos +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From eliam at xxx.edu Tue May 4 02:45:45 1999 From: eliam at xxx.edu (Marie Elia) Date: Mon, 3 May 99 21:45:45 -0400 Subject: Sinister: why did he do it? was he scared? was he pushed? Message-ID: <199905040145.VAA16188@pellns.alleg.edu> dearest sinistereens... like genevieve, i, too, am distressed by this display of violence on stuart's part. did he Repeatedly smash the guitar? or was it just one swift movement? so on the one hand, i'm thinking, oh gosh gentle little belle&sebby! and on the other hand, it's sort of satisfying to think about it. maybe stuart was just like, you know when do you get the chance to do stuff like this -- f*ck it! {smash!!} hmmm. hey, any NYC sinisterites? i'll be home this summer (i actually live in dutchess county but i'll be commuting to the city to work) -- y'all ought to have a nycPicnic. i'm super jealous of you people who get to see fugazi and shellac! phhhwwttt! i wanna be yr joey ramone! kisskiss, marie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LIONELHUTZ at xxx.net Tue May 4 04:00:43 1999 From: LIONELHUTZ at xxx.net (jeff) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 23:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: lots of talk Message-ID: <16372-372E70EB-32170@postoffice-263.iap.bryant.webtv.net> well, hello this is my first post, as i was granted my freedom of talk, thank you. i didnt think it would be that difficult to be quiet. so anyway, did anyone happen to see homer in his kilt on the simpsons last night? oh he was cute, even got a shot of his bum. for those of you who didnt get to see it, homer and mr burns went to try and find nessie. they took camp right next to that castle on the loch. well the story is i just got back from 3 months in the uk, spent my life savings, gained 20 pounds and became an alcoholic, but i did find a place in my heart for b+s. it all happened in a wonderful hostel in liverpool called the emabassie, which i reccomend anyone going to cuz its lovely, they would always have b+s and jeff buckley playing, so alas, i was all," these guys are wonderful,"(b+s and the super friendly people) so in return, i made everyone go see sleater-kinney and jsbx, because theyre just as lovely. and to anyone in the states on the 4th of july, jsbx is playing a free gig in nycs central park, im sure it will be quite a patriotic performance, i believe luscious jackson are playing too. so that would be a perfect opportunity for a picnic and gettin funky with jon spencer, so before i say good night, just a few things i will and will not miss about the uk. i will miss the chippies, the beer, nice and sleazys open acoustic night where you get a free beer to play a song(lots of b+s covers), the pound pints in lovely liverpool, the scallys, the krazy house, the way you see the same people you saw at the clubs and pubs at the chippie, not having to tip bartebders, although i did feel bad at first, but after a few pints i didnt, i wont miss london, or the way cds are 15 pounds, everything is quite expensive, i wont miss how mr chips on sauchieal would raise their prices after like 11pm, i wont miss getting stranded on skye, and i wont miss london, oh did i already say that? well ill say it again, so , ok later-jeff +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.com Tue May 4 06:52:12 1999 From: ian at xxx.com (ian connelly) Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 22:52:12 -0700 Subject: Sinister: bowlie'd on salon.com Message-ID: <199905040550.WAA27001@wired.com> http://www.salon.com/ent/music/feature/1999/05/04/bowlie/index.html by douglas wolk, who also wrote a bang-up piece (in SF Weekly and others) on belle & sebastian around the time TBWTAS appeared in the US....and it's done in the style of _ink polaroids_, no less. i think he gets the awkward and achey parts of the weekender just right while somehow not entirely buying into the essential loveliness of it all...which, as anyone who went and is often pressed-upon to explain to friends who know nothing about b&s and frankly think the whole thing a bit odd knows, is hard to do...so i'm glad he didn't. "This photo shows the inside of our "chalet," which came with the $140 tickets. As you can see, the ruthless efficiency barely holds the sofa bed for two, the narrow pallets, the miniature kitchen and the bathroom. (Electricity and hot water cost extra.) On the table are the two keys provided for the four of us. Why? "That's our policy, sir," said the matron at the front desk. We can't figure out if the idea is to prevent people from hooking up or to make it inevitable." (ah, douglas! i think it was the latter...not that i'd know....) sorry for the dangling sentence. me, i'm still glowing. ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jfb1 at xxx.uk Tue May 4 11:10:19 1999 From: jfb1 at xxx.uk (Jon) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:10:19 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: first post Message-ID: well, i've been a good boy and read all (most) of the messgaes while sitting in the nusery, and at last i've got a voice, only to have to leave this friday because the first year of uni is nearly over and iam going home to revise for my exams. i really don't fit in here at this university thing, ok picture this. sitting in a large room full of computers surrounded by people wearing designer trainers/shirts/jeans or what ever, and me. wearing a b&s t-shirt thats to small, trousers that are to big and some trainers that cost 9.99 in a reject shop, but i don't care and am proud to be different. was in edinburgh this weekend, which was so nice, and yes summer is here, sitting on the grass listen to abba getting drunk in the sun. but any way i so so so nearly bought tigermilk in a shop that had a copy but being a student and so not having any money i had to walk away feeling a little empty. i first heard of b&s 'bout err year 1/2 ago when my brother played tbwtas to me, i have to say at first i didn't think Mmm must get this but the more i listened the better it got until i just had to buy anything by them. but hey ho, must be off. this'll probably be my only mail for a long time i love you all and you know i mean it. Jonxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kissingdom at xxx.net Tue May 4 11:18:37 1999 From: kissingdom at xxx.net (Tony) Date: 4 May 99 11:18:37 BST Subject: Sinister: Record Collector Message-ID: <19990504101837.19095.qmail@nwcst058.netaddress.usa.net> >Belle and Sebastian are covered in the May issue of british magazine Record. and includes info on various bootlegs of Tigermilk with extra session tracks masquerading as Japanese imports, and they expect prices for mint Tigermilks to drop from �300 to �150 once its reissued... Can't make Marine Research but instead: Wednesday - Violent Femmes + Hefner @ The Forum Thursday - ex-Trembling Blue Stars Harvey Willimas album launch @ 12 Bar Friday - Ant (Hefner) @ The Poetry Cafe TC ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ +-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nickdastoor at xxx.com Tue May 4 14:19:57 1999 From: nickdastoor at xxx.com (Nick Dastoor) Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 06:19:57 PDT Subject: Sinister: Exciting new opportunity to waste time Message-ID: <19990504131957.82334.qmail@hotmail.com> I think the new Altavista Photo & Media finder at http://image.altavista.com/ is very good. Try typing names of your favourite pop stars into the box and seeing what comes up. My search for Stuart Murdoch yielded a fat man in swimming trunks pleasuring himself with a hose pipe. Nickie xx ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mctag at xxx.com Tue May 4 15:02:22 1999 From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart) Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 14:02:22 GMT Subject: Sinister: The International Language of Wodka Message-ID: <372ffdc6.4550522@post.demon.co.uk> Dearest Beloved, I've been out of circulation for a bit. What can I say? I've been busy busy, adjusting to this new life of mine. Keen viewers will be delighted to hear that Wumpkinny has got herself a job. A job in the glitzy world of Showbiz, no less. So that's good. Anyway.... Frankko said: >- -All swedish girls are easy. Have no idea about that one, but I doubt it. >Been to those Helsinki-Stockholm-Helsinki cruises (48 hours or partying) >quite often, so I should know, though. Ah, the Helsinki-Stockholm ferry. Such memories. Actually, no memory at all. I was warned before I travelled that it would be wise to shut myself away in my cabin after the first hour, because these Vikings like to drink, especially in International Waters. Unfortunately, In my cabin was a 900 year old American who was explaining how exactly much he hated Finland, to a Finn with a humungous moustache (which covers 45% of the population, I guess). After a while, the American left, at which point the Finn turned to me and said "Good. The stupid Yankee has gone. We must drink wodka now", and poured me a pint of Finlandia. And another....and another. We became firm friends, despite me knowing half a dozen words of Finnish, all of them filthy, and him having learned English from John Wayne. Sadly, he decided to go ballroom dancing on the upper deck leaving me to wander the ferry making a complete and utter arse of myself in front of several hundred bemused passengers. Genevieve said: >i still have a strange suspicion i`m not hearing the REAL bowlie facts. You certainly haven't. All these earnest recollections of picnics and football matches and there hasn't been the vaguest inkling of the glorious debauchery and sordid antics of various Sinisterines (other than a few allusions to Sting's magic tantric wanking theramin). You want to know EXACTLY what Chris Leonard and Nick Dastoor will do for a pound. You want to know what Rachel asked my ex-flatmate to do to her. You want to know the identity of the part-man, part-horse creature loitering round the gents, and asking shagging couples if he could watch. You want to about the wanton exhibitionsim in the adventure playground behind the T-shirt stall. But I'm not going to tell you. It's your own fault for not going. I can, however, tell you that I got my photo in Melody Maker, which somehow makes me feel closer to Tim "Pinteresque" Hopkins. And here, in time honoured fashion, and in no particular order, is my Bowlie moments top ten: 1 The first Roolz show, an impromptu affair featuring just me and Joss, in front of an audience of two. Imagine what we can with a few rehearsals. 2 The funk soul rabbit. 3 "It's a big pile of chocolate arse" - Keith "Barry Norman" Watson on Willy Wonka. 4 Tim Hopkins telling me exactly what Exeter fans shouted at Hartlepool. 5 "The Horn" 6 Keith's Frank Spencer impression, which sounds uncannily like Roland Rat Superstar. 7 Several spontaneous Cockney knees-ups, all featuring a medley of "Turtle Power", "Parklife" and the theme from "Auf Wiedersehen, Pet" 8 Trousers asking me in an archly post-modern fashion for "More than a feeling" at the Betsy Trotwood, little knowing I'd already cued it up, but dancing like a rockbeast anyway. 9 Warrander John cooking his tea dressed as a gorilla. 10 Wumpkinny's face throughout Belle and Sebastian's set, worth the admission price alone. It's been emotional. Tag xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Tue May 4 15:54:59 1999 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:54:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I'm Small Boy Black Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E225F1B9C@server1.HITEntertainment.com> Well hello there, I am suffering from a terrible and tedious hangover thanks to the picnic yesterday - shame on you Trousers for letting me nick your beer, it hasn't done me any good at all you know. I feel a bit embarrassed, particularly for Pam, Steady Mike, Sarah and list slut Nick D. who had to put up with me swaying and swearing through a Vietnamese (sort of) meal. Good picnic though, specially the football, natch - I am wandering around like a martyr with a buggered hamstring today - nothing I like more than a bit of self-pity in front of 1,000 people...Thanks to Mike for the massage, and shame on you Alix & Erica for refusing to rub my thigh of sex... I don't really have anything to say - I have just read the last four digests in one go, and I feel very warm towards you all (almost :) ). I was talking to Sinister's very own David Batty, Sam Norman yesterday about clubby things, and we made lots of positive noises about doing a one-off club night thing in the near future. Sadly, my collection of reggae and northern soul records stretches to a Congos album, a couple of Blue Note compilations and some utterly fantastic tapes my mate Robin made me, but I'm sure you'd have a good time regardless, honestly. A big hand for the welcomest return of stayluckyRory to the fold over the last few weeks - where have you been, you big goose? I'm tired and I want to go to bed. Boo. Markxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From funkyseb at xxx.com Tue May 4 16:07:47 1999 From: funkyseb at xxx.com (funkyseb at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 4 May 99 16:07:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Has anyone seen my keys? Message-ID: Not a "witty" post about the relevance of locks, or indeed musical pitches, in regard to sinister, Willy Wonka, and the late, great Oliver Reed. I have lost my keys. Has anyone seen them? People at the picnic are most likely to have done, though if any clairvoyants on the list want to help, feel free to mail me. I want to go to bed. :-( I can't focus my eyes, and my mouth smells like the spread eagle's crotch. 2 more hours of work....... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Tue May 4 16:25:43 1999 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:25:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: where are the keys? Message-ID: Hey,I also have lost my key,or better said,the KEY.It has the magical power of opening all the doors in our department,and such a mistake is fined with 25 quids...Maybe there is some spell on all the Sinisterines attending Bowlie,probably thrown by some Witch green with envy and jealousy and all our keys will start to vanish from our pockets and wallets. Does someone know any remedy? Fluffy,every Spanish kid is tought some time a very useful sort of nursery rhyme for such a case which says 'Donde estan las llaves, matarile rile rile?' in the chorus.That's it 'Where are the keys,mmmm,mmmm?@ Maybe if we would all sing along that the spell would get smashed into pieces Only four days for official Tigermilk re-release?Was it on 8th ,isn't it? how many copies will be edited this time? xxxx Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tton at xxx.edu Tue May 4 18:22:40 1999 From: tton at xxx.edu (THAIAN N TON) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: My First Words Are ... Message-ID: TIGERMILK. Since i finally got my voice back -- my e-mail server changed our addies and i had to wait a long 2 weeks without a noise and bantering about in the sinister nursery, i saw in CMJ yesterday that Tigermilk's release is set for June 8th which is very exciting indeed. i was walking about campus the other day & saw a flier that said, "Depressed and have low self esteem? Listen to (radio station) playing Morrissey, The Smiths & Belle & Sebastian" I thought that was rather funny that they said that B&S is low self-esteem music. Picnics? Are there any DC/Baltimore picnics in the works??? Much sweetness to everyone, -T. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Tue May 4 18:29:07 1999 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (weejay) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:29:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: so off-topic it stings your eyes. Message-ID: <199905041722.SAA02618@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> I see you've all been to the list crush site then...? Poor jess, you're all parasites. Or five of you anyway. I couldn't decide who to vote for this time, you'll all have to try and persuade me. Or just anonymise and vote for yourself. Please don't vote for me, though, it's just *SO* embarrasing, I have to keep a low profile you see, so just stop invading my privacy and sending me unsolicited mail will you please? Huh, the price of fame isn't worth it. I never wanted to be famous, I'm just doing it for art's sake. I've been screwed by the industry, honey. I'll see all your asses in court. Annnnnnyway.... haven't written in a while, no. Stuff.. happening... yes. Hmmmn. Managed to have a good time, no, the best time ever on Saturday despite sunburn, a headache and approaching sunstroke. And a nice american girl tried to chat me up (probably) in a nightclub in bournemouth but fluffed it big time ("you look like the tin man from the wizard of oz" isn't the best chat up line ever but wins big originality points) and ran away. Saw her again later but, well, what do you say? Damn my luck. Also met a character called Jamie who claimed to have tigermilk on CD but described it as having 4 pictures, warhol-style on the cover, so I told him it was a bootleg. We played the 'stop the car next to an old man and stare at them until they say something then speed off' game, very silly and immature and stereotypically studenty but it was fun at the time oh yes. Sorry, this is all completely irrelevant isn't it? I think I should go now. xxx weejay. Blue Glow is now at http://diskant.future.easyspace.com/blueglow/ (This network is as sick as a dog. If you can't get through try maleslut at chickmail.com instead) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Tue May 4 19:10:56 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:10:56 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The mystery of the keys Message-ID: <372F3830.978628D5@student.paisley.ac.uk> Well I actually didn't lose any keys at all, but feel there may be some sort of curse on the Bowlers amongst us, as on the way down to Bowlie I lost my driving licence and several other irrelevant forms of ID (phone bill, that sort of thing - just as well no-one at Pontins wanted to see them, really) and also a litre and a half of vodka thanks to the lovely National Express chappie who dropped my rucksack as he was lifting it out of the bus. Funny how Mark seems to get more injured than anyone else playing football, I seem to remember exactly the same thing happening on the beach last weekend. What's that you say? Italians? Diving? Drama queens? Surely not?!?! Hamstring was it Mark? You obviously didn't do your stretching properly, sorry if my laughing at your warm-up round our chalet last week put you off your *proper* warm-up in any way :) On a slightly more serious note (not to trivialise Mark's hamstring in any way, oh no): THAIAN N TON wrote: > i was walking about campus the other day & saw a flier that said, "Depressed > and have low self esteem? Listen to (radio station) playing Morrissey, The > Smiths & Belle & Sebastian" > > I thought that was rather funny that they said that B&S is low self-esteem > music. Doesn't anyone else think this? Maybe they're not low-self-esteem "I hate myself and I want to die" stuff, but as a long-term bullying victim with chronic self-esteem problems I identify far too much with certain lyrics, especially "Mary Jo", "the one thing that I learned when I was still a child was to take a hiding, if there's one thing that I learned when I was still at school was to be alone", parts of "She's losing it" and "Expectations", OK, maybe not what you'd all call low self esteem music but I see myself in a lot of (especially earlier) Belle and Sebastian lyrics and that's part of why I started to listen to them. I'm pretty sure there must be a couple more people who see them that way too? Yes? No? I mean there are a million other reasons I love them too, but that's my view on the low-self-esteem thing anyway. On that note, I shall say that if you look in Melody Maker not only can you see Tag but you can see the space on the beach that I had been occupying just prior to the infiltration by "proper" photographers. FluffySarah's mate Chris is there, skulking in the far distance, and so is someone else that I never spoke to, and someone indistinguishable dressed in black that may actually be my esteemed chalet chum Mr Kevan Cooke, a man with a fine taste in Japanese pop, the ability to survive an entire weekend on Pot Noodles and red wine, and an encyclopaedic knowledge of Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. Chocolate arse, my arse, Keith. A dazzling sociological and philosophical discourse and no mistake. With oompaloompas and Roy Kinnear to boot. Someone on the "I Saw You" board is wanting to organise a Millenium Bowlie so they can start 2000 on the beach at Camber Sands. Wouldn't it be better to have it somewhere, like, warm, and without the need for security guards? I think we should have the Millenium Bowlie in Struan's church hall. I'm sure he won't mind. Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Tue May 4 20:25:53 1999 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:25:53 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: May The Fourth Be With You In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 4 May 1999, THAIAN N TON wrote: > Since i finally got my voice back -- my e-mail server changed our addies and i > had to wait a long 2 weeks without a noise and bantering about in the sinister > nursery, i saw in CMJ yesterday that Tigermilk's release is set for June 8th > which is very exciting indeed. Then CMJ have got it wrong again. Because one bit of information I gleaned at the picnic yesterday was that the release date has been set for the middle of July (I think it was the 11th?). And that's coming straight from a Jeepster employee, so it's reliable information! By all accounts the remastered songs sound even better than before. Oh, and it seems that it will have the same cover photo after all, but a better version of the same photo. While I'm talking about the picnic (39 people at one point!), I would just like to gloat about the fact that in the first game of football the Winter Woofkies beat the Dirty Dreamers 6-0. Unfortunately the second game was marred by my cunning tactic of getting the ball off Trousers by, well, kicking him, and by dismal finishing in front of goal, otherwise we'd have repeated the triumph easily... As usual, the rest of the day was marked by more food than anyone could possibly eat (more Economy Tarts anyone?), arguments about which is the best song on Tigermilk, and certain people getting drunk and leery at every woman who walked past. And special mention has to go to the person who turned up at the picnic with a donkey on wheels. The next London picnic was provisionally pencilled in for next Bank Holiday Monday... Big Stu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From andrew at xxx.uk Tue May 4 20:35:01 1999 From: andrew at xxx.uk (andrew) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:35:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: i will frame this moment in time Message-ID: <000d01be9665$8ac0b160$57a7883e@default> dear popkids, thanks to the wonders of honey's humourless computer (though i found it to be both informative and funny), i've been given the freedom of speech on this here mailing list thing, so i thought i'd take a moment to introduce myself and say hello. i've been in love with belle & sebastian since i heard 'the stars of track and field' on mark radcliffe's graveyard shift way back when the countryside was green, britpop was dominating every students life, and steps were but a twinkle in the eye of pete waterman. since then they've continued to amaze me with their beautiful and always entertaining music; i can't wait to hear 'tigermilk' (i'm sorry, i've never heard it...please be gentle) when it finally comes out at a price which even i can afford. also, soon it is my birthday and i am feeling lonely because all my friends have gone on a geography field trip to a dark and unexplored corner of south-west wales leaving me behind with only people that i don't like much to talk to. therefore, if anybody would like to - (a) make me a birthday cake and send it to my house, (b) buy me a dog (my parents won't let me have one, but i'm sure that if one mysteriously turned up on my doorstep with a tear in it's eye they wouldn't refuse to let me keep it), or (c) suggest some records that i should buy with my yearly dose of HMV vouchers from my relatives who don't know what else to get me, i would be most appreciative and be sure to reward you with whatever you choose as long as it's quite cheap and doesn't require much effort on my part. finally, evil pop music magazine select has a nice but sadly only A4 size poster of the cover of the 'dog on wheels' EP in this months issue. it is now attached to my wall where it looks perfect next to beth orton and blur standing in a forest. that is all, please be friendly because i am new to mailing lists and i will get better at posting, i promise. love andrew. xx ( andrew at dreamwish.freeserve.co.uk ) ( http://www.dreamwish.freeserve.co.uk ) ( love's the only thing that makes me do this ) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kwl96 at xxx.edu Tue May 4 20:50:50 1999 From: kwl96 at xxx.edu (Kerry Lannert) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: rufus wainwright (B&S content, i swear) Message-ID: so i'm sitting in my room listening to rufus wainwright and thinking about belle and sebastian (that was the B&S content) and wondering if he would be considered twee. i can't really make up my mind. see, his voice is so un-twee, but the music and lyrics certainly are. of course, maybe my definition of twee is off. oh well. any ideas? please respond privately so list mummy honey doesn't yell at me or any of you. ;) -kerry http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~kwl96 "i'd be riding horses if they'd let me." -- palace, "horses" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From muddled at xxx.com Tue May 4 22:48:24 1999 From: muddled at xxx.com (damien) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:48:24 +0000 Subject: Sinister: For Trade : Dublin Gig Message-ID: <199905042049.NAA05378@geocities.com> Hi All, I have recently acquired a copy of the Dublin gig on tape. Its an audience recording, and the sound varys throughout, deviating around the 'fair' area most of the time. On the other hand, they do play 4 unreleased songs... [setlist for anyone who missed it the 1st time.... The first few bars from "Whiskey in the Jar" Slow graffiti Seeing other people The State that I am in Wrong girl I know where the summer goes Family Tree Winter Wooskie I don't love anyone Paper boat Dog on wheels Seymour Stein Simple things Photo Jenny The Boy with the Arab Strap] If anyone is interested in this, I am particularly looking for for unreleased/session/live (in that order) B&S stuff (except for the Black Sessions), Mogwai Session/Live stuff (except for the most recent Radio one session) and Pavement session/live stuff. If you want the tape but don't have any of this then email me anyway and we'll work something out. If you are interested, email me privately at muddled at geocities.com Thanks... and by the way... a fellow desciple stopped me in the street last Sunday with an identical study at stow... t-shirt to mine... .....maybe a Dublin picnic isn't too unfeasable of an idea after all... -Damien +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Iangstl at xxx.com Tue May 4 22:15:43 1999 From: Iangstl at xxx.com (Iangstl at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:15:43 EDT Subject: Sinister: when the first seal was opened... Message-ID: Hi, ... Arantxa spoke onto us: Maybe there is some spell on all the Sinisterines attending Bowlie,probably thrown by some Witch green with envy and jealousy and all our keys will start to vanish from our pockets and wallets. Does someone know any remedy? ... then Ailsa wondered : Well I actually didn't lose any keys at all, but feel there may be some sort of curse on the Bowlers amongst us as on the way down to Bowlie I lost my driving licence and several other irrelevant forms of ID... Not that I'm bitter about the Bowlers because they have upside down patches upon thars, while I am among many with no patches upon ours... but I am concerned about this whisper of a curse. For I have suffered a loss that no SiniSTAR should bare. I went to my shelf, pulled out the trusty red, opened it as Charlie did his chocky bar, only to find an empty case. A thorough search has left me wanting. That night, a friend was over admiring my TWATTYBUS vinyl, and told me the same sad tale. We fear that there is pox upon us or that Cheapster has found a way to transport all cds from their cases so we must rebuy our sacred testaments. I say to you all, rush to your shelves, your cd changers, your discmans! Secure your discs! Hold them, kiss them, love them, but don't LOVE them.... .... For this surely must be the first sign of the second coming of Tigermilk. mwah, dawn not some Witch green with envy and jealousy +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Tue May 4 22:25:14 1999 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 22:25:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Only losers take the bus Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990504222514.007a2c30@mail.u-net.com> Hey ladies. Here's some of my Bowlie pics, and a couple from the pub the night before in Farringdon, I won't say who they are of, so as to leave an air of mystery. Rachel and I are dancing to 'Ring of Fire' though. I've got some more which I may or may not be arsed to scan in. http://www.seahouses.u-net.com/bowlie/ JJ xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glawler at xxx.ie Tue May 4 22:43:39 1999 From: glawler at xxx.ie (Gary Lawler) Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 22:43:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Yet another first post Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990504224339.0079e3d0@gpo.iol.ie> I'm another newbie fresh out of the nursery, and one that likes to write in a very disjointed and random manner at that. Let's hope this goes well :-) One day, my sister had her radio on and this really good song came on. I hadn't a clue what it was or who it was by, so I ran the only lyric I remembered ("You'll have a boy tonight") through AltaVista and was given a list of sites about a band with the strangest name I had ever heard. I picked up IYFS not long after, and I've been listening ever since . . . although strangely enough, I haven't managed to get around to ordering LLPJ itself yet :-) Hmmm . . . I think I've used up my smilie allowance already, and I've only written two paragraphs. I wasn't able to get to the Bowlie weekend, but I did go to the Dublin gig. I found the gig strangely unsatisfying, and I don't know exactly why yet. Maybe I heard so many great things that I was expecting too much, maybe the band were tired after the weekend, or maybe it was the fact that I'd had my hair cut the day before and it still had that just-cut arsiness about it (meaning I hid in the shadows and kept to myself the whole time). On the subject of the Dublin gig, I had never heard Snow Patrol before then, and I reckoned they were tops (even if they made my ears ring). And I paid £16 for one of those T-Shirts, although I was really only after some badges. *tries to think of a satisfactory way of ending this message* *fails* Gary Lawler ----------------------------------------------------------------- ICQ UIN: 11115268 AIM: seclite369 In the CD Player: "If You're Feeling Sinister", Belle & Sebastian ----------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Tue May 4 23:19:25 1999 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E. Hamilton) Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:19:25 -0400 Subject: Sinister: me and my valium pills Message-ID: <002101be967c$2bd2d0e0$304e1198@wfu.edu> My my! With this onslaught of new listees it feels a bit crowded in here. Indeed, everyone huddle up together and we'll be just fine, I imagine. The whole list crush debate seems to be pretty heated. I voted over the weekend for my crush, but alas, i will not share, for wouldn't that be just ruining all the fun, all the glee, oh, all the heartbreak! Thanks to everyone who responded with places to go and shop during my brief stint in London in two weeks. I'm sure it will be truly a magnificent time, hopefully the weather will be nice and there won't be any pipe bombs to blow me to smithereens. Sorry, when I saw the rash of bombs on the news I got a little scared. I suppose it's the real world. I figure it's about time we met. I finally wrote my story which somewhat concerns the JygSaw Dave dubbed "Hostess with the Mostess". Though she is somewhat of a side item on the story's order. It's in the Sinister library, so if anyone feels lonely and needs some unneeded flowery imagery in their craniums, well, you know where to look. Exams are almost done, soon it's on with summer, my favorite season. Oh I can't wait love blake (who just got his darth maul figure and is insanely giddy) ~~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ "I am not Jesus, though I have the same initials." - Jarvis Cocker +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Wed May 5 06:53:09 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 22:53:09 PDT Subject: Sinister: The International Language of Wodka Message-ID: <19990505055309.55627.qmail@hotmail.com> As it seems that some good (?) memories began to flow in the back of Robbies head after he read my post, I thought I'd say something. Well first, Robbie said: >Frankko said: -Frankko? Erm, that's not me, but he seems to be speaking my words. Strange one, that. And then Robbie continued (About the cruises): >Actually, no memory at all. -Welcome to the club. Helsinki-Stockholm cruises are the same for Finns as sprig-breaks are for Americans (or so I've heard). And whats that about 45 per cent of us having moustaches? I quess you went to those "people who study to be carmechanics"-cruises. You know the people, guys who have this thin line above their upper lip and talk about engines and such. Or is it just a common thing in Scandinavia to have this cap on your head backwards, be a sucker for hockey and other "manly" sports and challange complete strangers to armwrestle you when you've had three beers? Btw, my facial hair is pretty lame, some hair on my chin but I cant even grow a proper moustache. Hercule Poirot is cool. Went to this lovely field of grass yesterday to play footie with my friends. First ball comes my way from the left side, a PERFECT opportunity to put the ball in the back of the net with this cool Michael Owen/Mikael Forsell- type of semiacrobatic kick. Some jerk just tips the ball out of my reach, just as I'm trying to kick it. Complete miss, and now my groin hurts like hell. Hmm, Tigermilk re-release. Not such a bad thing, since my tape is in pretty horrible shape, have to crank the volume up to hear something and then it all gets a bit "sssshhhhhh" in the background. Especially "Electronic Reneissance" sounds like it's played live in some huge bucket somewhere around Greece while some english tourists are having a blast in the nearby cafe. If you an imagine that. And now I have to start working. @--->--- jake, getting bored, while shiny happy people are holding hands. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sav_one at xxx.com Wed May 5 09:40:33 1999 From: sav_one at xxx.com (Darren Savage) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 01:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: THE FEAR Message-ID: <19990505084033.21302.rocketmail@web108.yahoomail.com> I have just returned from a four day Hockey tour in Amsterdam with some old freinds from University and my mind is in disarray. I shall not regale you with tales of the actual trip but I can assure you that no hockey was actually played. However, I was in Sainsbury's on Monday, a mere hour after landing, in order to purchase fruit and other health produce. Upon approching the bread section I started to get THE FEAR and I decided to pay for the items I had selected and return to the safety of my bed chambers. When I was paying for my shopping a woman with very pale skin and ginger hair was standing next to me. She wasn't actually doing anything but she began to unsettle me so much that I approached her and politely requested that she stand elsewhere as she was giving me THE FEAR. Fortunately she aquiensced and I felt safe again. When I got home my boss telephoned to say that someone pretending to be me had ordered 5K of fine wine using a made up job number and then drove off with them. This too gave me THE FEAR. I then went down stairs and this girl I am living with made some fruit tea for me which gave me THE FEAR. Ten minutes later a really nice girl who I met a couple of weeks before phoned me up and asked me out to dinner, this didn't give me THE FEAR. I then returned to the lounge and fell asleep, when I woke up the room was full of people and I got THE FEAR again. I'm ok now, but yesterday I was evacuated from London Brige Station and I was thinking that it was a good job that it didn't happen the day before otherwise I would have got THE FEAR. I am now safely ensconced in my office with 'The Spark that Bled' by the Faming Lips on the stereo and normal service has resumed. regards sav _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From it at xxx.uk Wed May 5 10:26:16 1999 From: it at xxx.uk (it.brislington) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:26:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: too much of anything is too much for me Message-ID: <199905050923.JAA20367@mx2.rmplc.co.uk> Good morning do you wanna chat ---------- > From: Blake E. Hamilton > To: The Lovely Masses > Subject: Sinister: too much of anything is too much for me > Date: 15 March 1999 22:24 > > Dearest everyone-- > > Today, as spring is beginning to fall over North Carolina, I got some stuff > in the mail--my Stow shirt being one of these glorious items. What a > beautiful sky blue. I will wear it and flutter my eyelids. > > I played all the EPs for my mum, and here were some choice quotes straight > from her mouth: > before we started--"I really like that fox in the snow, how delightful" > "what a nice song"--Beautiful > "oh how nicely this song moves, love that banjo!"--The Gate > "wow this one is long"--TIJAMRS > "what are those instruments playing?"--B&S > "wait i thought this song was done"--Put the Book > "is this a james bond theme?"--String Bean Jean > > needless to say, she loves B&S. another convert, indeed. > > And Moon Patroller Carrie, I have more Who stuff to tell you, so what is > your email address again? I switched computers now that I'm back at school, > so I lost yours... > > that's it for now kiddies, > ta ta > blake > ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ > "Sometimes I feel I gotta get away. > Bells chime, I know I gotta get away. > And I know if I don't I'll go out of my mind. > Better leave her behind, where the kids are alright." > > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From franzmoz at xxx.com Wed May 5 11:41:06 1999 From: franzmoz at xxx.com (Francis Lovely) Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 11:41:06 BST Subject: Sinister: my "BORING" first post Message-ID: <19990505104106.13313.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi, I'm Francesco from Italy, even if now I'm in London for a short period. I've been in this mailing list for some months in 1998 and now I'm back again, having more time to read messages. I think that everyone is really kind and "twee" in this mailing list, and I'd like to thank all of you for helping me not to feel alone. I've been to the pub in London the night before "bowlie week-end", and I'm sure I saw a lot of you, but I don't know anyone. I saw the pictures JJ put on the web and I recognised someone of you (even that king girl who asked me if she knew me). BTW, that night was really amazing, and all the people that played were really good. H. Williams played few beautiful songs, even if I missed "I'm in love with a girl who doesn't know I exist" (such a lovely title). The Jasmine Minks were a real surprise, because I used to love them and I dodn't even know they were going to play. Chris voice and his songs were stunning! And the duo that played first was good also. They played a cover of the Smiths and another wonderful cover (?) that I wasn't able to recognise. Respect goes to the Duke. Hope to see all of you again. Love, Francesco. >http://www.seahouses.u-net.com/bowlie/ Is there anyone of you in those picture? and who is who? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From i95pjg at xxx.uk Wed May 5 11:55:22 1999 From: i95pjg at xxx.uk (PAUL J GARDINER) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:55:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: dundee disco Message-ID: <001001be96e5$c62010e0$8eab3cc1@is3098.tay.ac.uk> Dear all, I found this on a small bit of crumpled-up paper in the pub last night Dundee University Students Union Dallas 2 presents special guest dj's from Belle & Sebastian Friday 7th May 1999 4 pounds to get in. Anyone know who it is going to be?....I would guess it will be Chris Geddes but it sounds like there will be more than one person. If anyone is going then mail me to arrange a meet up. I can also get a couple of people signed in. Paul Gardiner +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jfb1 at xxx.uk Wed May 5 12:26:16 1999 From: jfb1 at xxx.uk (Jon) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:26:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: loosing stuff Message-ID: i always loose stuff like my keys, but not when i go out, mostly in my own room under lots of stuff. i guess thats a bit stupid and abscent minded, but hey thats life. somebody mentioned homer in a kilt the other day, which reminded me of a time i was in a bus, a man was sitting a few seats away facing me wearing a kilt. he was fast asleep with his legs wide open and every one could see right up it! not pleasent but queit funny. is any one else looking forward to episode I of the new starwars may be i'll see you soon Jonx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jlphilli at xxx.edu Wed May 5 16:47:37 1999 From: jlphilli at xxx.edu (jennifer phillips-bacher) Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 10:47:37 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Live Bed Show (and MADISON, WI picnic) Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990505104737.009194a0@students.wisc.edu> hello you pishrogues. for all of you ladies out there who are feeling a bit springy and wish to see ginger-haired boys "fresh as the day they were born" (tm susannah), check out this URL: http://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/EFL/Mag/TYS/tyscloth.htm Sandy looks the best after he removes his Fair Isle jumper. I didn't want to remove his kilt for fear of what lie underneath, but Satan doth tempt me, and goodness, did I like what I saw! Gentlemen, feel free to take a gander at Sandy, I'm sure he doesn't mind. And I'm sure you're all secure enough with your sexuality, that even if you do feel a twinge down under, you will celebrate the moment rather than berate yourself. Among the confusing items I found in this website is "English people think that all Scottish men are called JIMMY. This is wrong. Only Glaswegian men are called JIMMY. In the rest of Scotland, men are called ALEC (SANDY for short) or IAN". Can any of our scottish sinisteroonies attest to this? I demand that all of the male members of Belle & Sebastian heretofore be called Jimmy. Of interest to those of you in America's heartland, the Midwest, I am planning a picnic for May 22 in Madison, Wisconsin. Of course we welcome anyone not from the midwest, tis not exclusive. Even the English! harhar. The festivities will begin at 2 pm at Olin Park. Bring some food to share, any games, toys for show-n-tell, anything! Bring friends, too! Please don't be shy. I don't want to end up sitting in the park alone, okay? Rain activities may involve visiting a local pub, bowling, or playing Trivial Pursuit at my apartment. I'll send out a reminder when it gets closer to the date, along with a meet-up place. If anyone wants to email me privately, please do. And please come! We're a tidy little community here in madison, and we don't wish to be publicised, but ....anyway, it will be great fun. un bacione, jennpb xo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From untitled at xxx.com Wed May 5 16:45:48 1999 From: untitled at xxx.com (Robert Foster) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:45:48 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Angry Computer - T-shirt Tragedy Message-ID: <199905051146_MC2-749D-36AD@compuserve.com> Rod Hull's death was an accident, the inquest said it was 'Bizarre' but 'Tragic', and you hartless bastards brought the T-shirt. The boy with the hot head +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tigermilker at xxx.com Wed May 5 17:49:07 1999 From: tigermilker at xxx.com (Tigermilker .) Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 17:49:07 BST Subject: Sinister: ......he stumbled, blinking, into the light. Message-ID: <19990505164907.56068.qmail@hotmail.com> So. I finally get to adress the peeps who have been clogging my email account for the best part of a month now. Stoppit! This instant! Or don't. Some of you are actually very interesting. Shared Bowlie memories in particular are nice. And now you will be subject to my abrasive manner and charmless way with words. Woohahahahaha! Speaking of Bowlie, did anyone elses cup of joy overfloweth when mogwai came onstage? Mine did. In fact, I nearly had an accident, right there in the front row. *Sigh* Memories, eh? Is that true about the imminent Tigermilk re-release being on the 8th of this month? Monsta. I won't have to suffer a grainy casette for much longer. I can enjoy a grainy CD instead. I think I shall have to practise more with my camera to achieve suitable results. I zapped away with a 40 and a 25 exposure film for the best part of Bowlie, with the high hopes of obtaining worthwhile results for my efforts. I was sorely disappointed to find that all of my 'camera-aloft-over-the-heads-of-the-heaving-crowd' efforts have supplied me with some rather nice piccies of the tops of peoples heads, but none of the bands. Such is life. Last of all, does anyone else think a stern letter needs to be written to the NME in protest at Mr Stephen Daltons rather negative views on the whole Bowlie-thang? You can just tell that whatever it had been like, he didn't want to be there, and would have found something to moan about anyway. What a cynical young man. Aaaaanyway. Ciao for nao. Tigermilker. "Would you like to go-large for an extra 30p?" - Ronald McDonald. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Wed May 5 18:08:32 1999 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:08:32 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: the incredible sex-appeal of a kilt Message-ID: Apparently,I am developing a sixth sense to forecast what will be the hot topics on the list a few hours beforehand.Could this become a full clarvoyance and mean the end of my career as a (poor)academic? The thing is , talking about kilts on Monday ,talking about kilts this morning and when I checked my mailbox,smutty messages about men wearing this highly significative garment. Facts : I like kilts or better said,I like men in kilts,or even better said,I like men who I would like anyway when wearing a kilt most.I had never seen any man I like or dislike wearing a kilt in flesh and blood,but my imagination is extremely fertile. I never could work out why certain females reckon one of highlights of football matches is to see for once some male legs being worth to be contemplated in full length.Shorts and tracksuits and lycra bits in general are the most un-exciting way a guy can be dressed. Kilts have this romantic-Walter Scott side,I guess and the promise of ignoring about underneath content... Chris knew what he was doing when striking a pose on that cover,cool! xxx Arantxita +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Wed May 5 17:40:06 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 17:40:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: That Bowlie football tournament (slight return) Message-ID: <37307466.D9A2C85C@student.paisley.ac.uk> Has anyone here seen the Camera Obscura message board, there is a message from someone saying that not only were Camera Obscura the best band at Bowlie but they won the football too. Do any of our mob want to go and stick up for our lads/slag off C.O.'s cheating tactics? If so, get yourself to: http://www.andmoresound.co.uk/messageboard/ and say something because I can't think of anything. Oh, and Big Stu said > (more Economy Tarts anyone?), which is no way to talk about Nick Dastoor in my opinion, even if he does behave like an inordinate slut for under a pound :) Wishing I had sold myself more effectively for a couple of listcrush votes, Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From robhalcrow at lineone.net Wed May 5 20:35:15 1999 From: robhalcrow at lineone.net (robhalcrow at lineone.net) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:35:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: eight miles shy Message-ID: <199905051935.UAA18607@boober.lineone.net> Nervous? Me? Just a bit. This is my very first post so nervousness might explain the terrible Byrds pun of the subject. It's nice to read that Abi/Angel is a shy sort too. I call myself shy but I did manage to get to Bowlie and share a chalet with 2 complete strangers and 1 near one. Shy enough to see Jarvis and ignore him. At least I didn't abuse him as seemed to be the fashion that weekend. I also ignored Steve Lamacq. I would only have asked what exactly is "Boss Tuneage". Hate that. Carried a CD of my band around to give to John Peel but I never saw him. Was he even there? I sent it in the end. (If you hear him play Picturebox- then that's me!) Has anyone else sat in a rather sad manner poring over the I Saw You thing in the vain hope that someone might have fallen for them? No? Someone who I didn't see gave me one of those 2 and a half days....badges. I didn't have my glasses on. Probably just a random act of charity. Still never mind eh? Well that's more than enough from me. Please be patient. It's scary outside of the nursery. Love from Rob. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samiamx at xxx.com Wed May 5 22:08:21 1999 From: samiamx at xxx.com (Sam Devere) Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:08:21 PDT Subject: Sinister: You're a bold coquette and you dress outlandishly... Message-ID: <19990505210821.10849.qmail@hotmail.com> In a recent edition of the Ups and Downs, Stephen Duffy declared B&S as the feyest band of all. He's been touting them since the release of Tigermilk. Back then, when I searched for B&S the only web page I found was Andy Dean's, it's amazing how much things have changed in just under two years. Did anyone catch the Looper article in Dazed and Confused? It's the one with Ewan Mcgregor on the cover. So I used the word moniker as an argot for name; however, no one was familiar with the term and they stated that I made this word up. Isn't this word a fairly ordinary one in the English vernacular? *chompchompchomp* I love lollypops - confection perfection. As a birthday gift to myself, I'm thinking of catching mon ami Robbie Williams next Monday just to see what all the hype surrounding him is about. I'm also thinking of catching St. Etienne, do they put on a good show? Anyone heard of the Lanterns? The Face gave one of their singles a good review and I can't seem to find them anywhere... Sam _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Wed May 5 22:12:09 1999 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 17:12:09 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Record Collectors Message-ID: <199905051713_MC2-74A3-FA9B@compuserve.com> Hiya Fragrant Ones! I splashed out on a magazine today........ Er, lets start again. I meant to say that I purchased the May Record Collector today, because of the Belle and Sebastian feature. However its poo, so I don't advise any of you to do the same. Errors of fact, same old tired quotes & the same infamous press shots. Apart from B&S coming 131 in the readers poll of the top 500 collectable artists (with a bullet from last years 329), the only other thing of interest (at least to a indie geri like me) was that my first big gig (Knebworth 1) was 25 years ago, so they're re-releasing the posters of the 74-76 gigs. Tim Buckley bottom of the bill in 74, & that other Tim, Mr P!O!Pkins probably missed his heroes Pink Floyd headlining because he hadn't even started school yet in 75. Another don't buy warning: the Lucky Pierre 7" I found in HMV which would I fear be of interest only to the most anal Arab Strap collector (new in this year at 424) Apologies to Kara Baer for reviving unpleasant memories of a loathed childhood nickname. No offence intended, **** Bears were never objects of derision in our household. Honey, how come us Digest Readers don't get the nambling pambling rice pudding stuff in our footers? - its not fair! Love David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From windisch24 at xxx.com Wed May 5 22:20:18 1999 From: windisch24 at xxx.com (mike windisch) Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:20:18 PDT Subject: Sinister: be warned: my lurking days are over Message-ID: <19990505212019.82016.qmail@hotmail.com> Greetings from another of the thousand children, now that the bowlie bytes are beginning to subside back into the reality of workaday wonderings, methinks it might be an appropriate time to follow the trend of premier posts with a first go of my own. (character sketch) Perhaps I am a twee anomoly: despite the fact that i've been repeatedly brought to tears in broad daylight on the crowded hiway while dodging a fox in the snow by the beauty of judy's dream and chutzpa of those who rule the school,and my semi-consistent barroom costume of tight red cords and purple shirts tends to make me a target amid the homophobic neanderthal environment of meathead america, i've given up shyness because its selfish, tossed shellac and the roots into the hifi for an occassional rotation, and have been known on occassion to piss off the polite with my interpretation of the time honored shortcut to freedom: suspended morality and upended pints of rebel pilsner. (how B&S has coincided with this life) Lord knows its been some time since i gave myself to sin,(and i'm just now getting over the karmic flak that resulted from seeking solace in sin from the vices of virtue)it wasn't until a recent workstyle upgrade necessitated a move north from native mystic to that little capital called providence that the cultural arbiters on high deigned to deliver tigermilk to my needy ears. Point being, this humble newjack can and does warble with conviction each time he hymns along with the chorus in state that I am in. (Another, more sinister concidence) Shortly before the crash of me and my last wee lass's cuddledrunk love affair, ***cheesy rhyme alert*** she, an old aquaintance, chose to peruse the small slice of prose i composed after the ocassion of our first meeting in years, which ended in a splendid fashion with midwinter post martini full moon snogging on the boardwalk. Whatever it was i wrote in that slim paragraph, i managed to make her cry with those words. (enough smarminess) more pragmatically, has any new englander found looper or gentle waves on the shelves of any record shops? The smug fellows at my local shop seem to be filing my requests in the 'to be ignored' bin. ciao for now, windish _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rachel at xxx.uk Wed May 5 22:57:38 1999 From: rachel at xxx.uk (rachel tucker) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 22:57:38 +0100 Subject: Sinister: nothing much, delete if you want Message-ID: <005301be9742$70b1f8a0$42b0883e@pre-installedco> boo to the business world...and all you sinisterines out there. somewhere. i was too skint to go to bowlie and are too shy to go to any deliciously frisky picnics, and i'm now beginning to feel that all you lovely people don't really exist. or you do, but in some magical land that i'll never quite reach, all having a fantastic cardie-wearing time without me. or maybe i'm just feeling sorry for myself; post-nursery blues or something. alisa and thaian n ton brought up the self esteem thing in relation to stuart sex on legs murdoch's lyrics yesterday (or the day before, or at some point, whatever. i read them yesterday anyway). i'm with alisa on this. given that llpj was the 1st b&s thing i owned i listened to it over and over and ov... and i really identified with poor old jane. and all though it was a bit upsetting recognising myself as lonely and single with an obsession with bus rides, it made me feel better. the same with expectations and mary jo, as well as iyfs and judy and her rather kinky horse dreams. not the horses bit mind. i'm not so into the whole animal thing i'll have you know, but mainly the bit about walking the streets from noon until night. except i don't have a star or a parrot. ooh, i was tres excited earlier; snow patrol are in oxford next month! yippee! i missed them last time they came due to horrible chucking up illness, which meant i had to be all tucked up in my duvet with a sick encrusted bucket by my bed which kind of spoilt the snuggly cosy illusion somewhat. still, i got to listen to 'you're not very well' by the lovely charlatans over and over again. it is a strange ritual that i have that when i am genuinely feeling ill rather than just skiving i need to hear sweet darling timmy burgess remind me i feel like shit. odd that. anyway, i have bored you enough with my ramblings so i'll say tatty bye. love rachel xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From RACALLEN at xxx.uk Wed May 5 23:12:09 1999 From: RACALLEN at xxx.uk (CALLENDAR R) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 23:12:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Um...so...I'm allowed to talk now? Message-ID: Oh good. Hello. Hello Sinister persons. Sinisterines. As you can tell I've just been released from the pit of virtual ignorance and youth that is the nursery. It's torture in there, you know. All these emails flying at you which you are forced to read, enjoy and store away in your mind before you are allowed to respond. But it was nice all the same... I read about the list in Select. But I have been a fan of B&S since Lazy Line Painter Jane. I just didn't think about looking for a website. I'm not one for remembering lyrics, because I prefer the tunes. Anyway, without any further annoyance on my part I thought I'd tell you who I am, why I'm here e.t.c e.t.c useless and highly likely boring information which you probably don't want to read. My name is Rob and I like Belle and Sebastian. Yes, I do. I'm 19, twenty in twelve days. I'm a student. I guess alot of other B&S fans are students too. But I also guess that alot aren't. That's a warming fact to know. Anyway, I study Theatre and Media Drama and Geography at the University of Glamorgan in Wales. It's a horrible place, with nasty 1960's archetecture that makes me sad. And the only place to go out is Cardiff, which is rubbish. No one's heard of Belle and Sebastian. And they all wear Kappa. I'm not sure if I fit into the whole twee thing, because I like to go out clubbing in indie clubs, as well as being forced to listen to Steps in gay clubs by my friends which I hate, and most of my favourite bands are not very twee. But some are. My favourite club of all time is Popstarz in London. I saw a girl with a Bowlie wrist band in there on Friday last. Hello to that girl if you are on the list! Here's my website http://www.angelfire.com/ga/yindiescene which details my life and if a resource on the genre of music which I liek and the lifestyle I lead. Please look at it and leave a message in the guestbook, even if it is just a 'Hello'. Thank you for being so kind. I like this list. I hope you will learn to like me. Good bye for now. //ROB xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From painbirds at xxx.com Thu May 6 00:03:25 1999 From: painbirds at xxx.com (Craig-Lee Thompson) Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 16:03:25 PDT Subject: Sinister: Just like spring rain over Melbourne... Message-ID: <19990505230326.81987.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello all, I realise this is non-B&S but I can not help myself. It was moving, nostalgic, current and restored any faith that I may have lost in fine music. It was one of those gigs where you come away mystified, one as to how this band never reached the fame deserved and two as to how they could be so utterly fine. There was Robert Forster, suave, emotive, poetic, passionate, honest and there was Grant McLennan, genuine, melodic and short. Together they played the songs of The Go-Betweens before a full house in Melbourne, I urge any who should be so fortunate as to have these two performers come by your town... Go and see them!!! Good night and thankyou, Craig-Lee... Melbourne Picnic: May 15th.....Nightcat, Fitzroy..... It's on..... Smiths & Morrissey and Bible studies... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SKittlgurl at xxx.com Thu May 6 01:13:18 1999 From: SKittlgurl at xxx.com (SKittlgurl at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 20:13:18 EDT Subject: Sinister: first post Message-ID: <9d550e35.2462389e@aol.com> hey. there's nothing wrong with wearing a small b & s shirt, a bit of baggy pants and 9.99 costing shoes. rock on. i think were all going to be in similar scenes sometime in our lives. although..being in a room of computers..is mighty exciting..mm.. anyways. its better than that calvin klein, crap they call "clothing". umm..i think not. some of the material can not even *measure* to material. cotton. the fabric of our lives. no offense to any of those who buy calvin klein. but. still. yes. and this would be my first reply. not that i got my voice. whooppeee. i feel like Arial in The Little Mermaid. speaking of which. they don't have a Little Mermaid ride in Disneyland. yeah. now that ive bored you to death. goodbye. natalie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Peter.Ramsdale at xxx.com Thu May 6 09:23:36 1999 From: Peter.Ramsdale at xxx.com (Pete Ramsdale) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:23:36 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Re: You're a bold coquette and you dress outlandishly... Message-ID: <199905060823.JAA29452@ln4p1013pos.ldn.swissbank.com> As a bit of a reply, Sam (for what it counts): I use the word moniker a lot. It's definitely a word. Or at least it is in my house. Think it came from afrikaans, or something. Afrikaans for what, I'm not quite sure, but there you go. Probably "name". Come to think of it, it's quite a good word. It's the kind of word I'd use when sidling up to my boss with another holiday form that I know he's not going to sign off. "Erm, could you stick yer moniker on that for us, please...." Never bloody works. Oh well. "Moniker", however, is definitely not the best word in the world, though. That honour, in my opinion, belongs to the word "moist", which, quite frankly, gives me the raging horn. Meanwhile, back at the ranch....... Ah yes. Saint Etienne. Well worth the price of your average ticket+booking fee, imho. I must however admit, before I go any further, that Sarah Cracknell does occupy a very special place in my heart, being as she is one of the most gorgeous women I have ever had the incredible good fortune to clap eyes on. And she can sing, too. Bonus. Having got that little admission out of the way, I will swiftly go on to say that I saw them at V98, and although they got a right slating by the music press (arseholes that they are), I loved it. She stared right at me you know. Honest. And smiled. Mind you that was probably because all the rest of the crowd were grooving in a chic 70's-cheese stylee, whilst I was jumping up and down like a mad bastard. I do, however prefer to think that she spotted me in the crowd and got moist. See? Told you. Top word...... :-) Finally getting to the topic of B&S, could we puleeeeze have an end to these rumours of various release dates for Tigermilk and get one of the Jeepster marketing/merchandising/whatever people (sorry for possibly dropping you in it, here, Katherine and David) to confirm the actual one agreed? The whole thing is driving me nuts, and my psychiatrist recommends that unless someone kindly furnishes me with an actual release date, and I come to terms with the long-term hurt that was inflicted on me when my parents took me to see Little and Large and the Nolan Sisters in pantomime as a kid, that I will never be normal. Bugger. Well, that's about it for now. Except, that is, in the vain hope that Sarah Cracknell is a big B&S fan and has joined this list under some strange pseudonym, to say to her that I'm not doing anything particularly much next tuesday if she wants to pop down to Colchester. Dribble, indeed....... lol p xx. ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ Life is full of regrets, and I've had a few, as Frank Sinatra once sang, before hiccuping loudly and falling over sideways. Pete Ramsdale - peter.ramsdale at wdr.com Phone: 0171 568 3836 ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Thu May 6 11:27:55 1999 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:27:55 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Let's Put An End To This At Once (a little village in Switzerland) In-Reply-To: <199905060823.JAA29452@ln4p1013pos.ldn.swissbank.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 May 1999, Pete Ramsdale wrote: > Finally getting to the topic of B&S, could we puleeeeze have an end to these > rumours of various release dates for Tigermilk and get one of the Jeepster > marketing/merchandising/whatever people (sorry for possibly dropping you in it, > here, Katherine and David) to confirm the actual one agreed? Well David and Katrina from Jeepster aren't on the Sinister list at the moment, because they've been too busy moving offices. I don't know about Katherine though. But anyway, the release date for Tigermilk is definitely set for Monday July 12 in the UK. This is straight from the mouth of David on Monday, and if you don't believe me it's even in the news section of this week's Melody Maker. In case anybody's interested, that is actually the same day that the new Hefner album 'The Fidelity Wars' is due to come out, which will also be fantastic. While I'm here, does anybody have any good / bad opinions of the Lilac Time (Stephen Duffy) album? Big Stu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Peter.Ramsdale at xxx.com Thu May 6 11:55:52 1999 From: Peter.Ramsdale at xxx.com (Pete Ramsdale) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:55:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Part 1 of my therapy..... Message-ID: <199905061055.LAA19111@ln4p1013pos.ldn.swissbank.com> Cheers Big Stu for the response. Hmmmm. Forgot quite a lot of things there. Actually I knew that David and Katrina aren't on the list at the moment. I was just testing. And Katherine's the tea-girl at Jeepster. Honest. But I'm so happy that I've now only one major life problem I have to worry about succumbing to. Now, can anyone tell me a decent way of getting over a disastrous pantomime experience at an early age?? I'm off, now, never to darken the doors of sinister again after such a plainly badly-thought out request. Actually, that's a lie, but you can all dream for a while, at least. p xx. ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ Life is full of regrets, and I've had a few, as Frank Sinatra once sang, before hiccuping loudly and falling over sideways. Pete Ramsdale - peter.ramsdale at wdr.com Phone: 0171 568 3836 ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Thu May 6 12:44:26 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House) Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 12:44:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: hello ... ? Message-ID: <3731809A.3477188F@jeepster.co.uk> hi, i am still here, i am just awaiting a press release for the album so i can send out a news message so that *everybody* knows the full details at the same time. hopefully this will happen tomorrow. cheers, Katrina. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ ***we are moving on april 1st 1999!*** new postal address is po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Peter.Ramsdale at xxx.com Thu May 6 13:09:39 1999 From: Peter.Ramsdale at xxx.com (Pete Ramsdale) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 13:09:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: AAAargh! Message-ID: <199905061209.NAA09560@ln4p1013pos.ldn.swissbank.com> Can I ever get anything right?? Sorry, Katrina, for (a) doubting your presence, and (b) getting your name wrong. It wont happen again. Ever. Not even a little bit. p xx. ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ Life is full of regrets, and I've had a few, as Frank Sinatra once sang, before hiccuping loudly and falling over sideways. Pete Ramsdale - peter.ramsdale at wdr.com Phone: 0171 568 3836 ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Bertrand.Caron at xxx.se Thu May 6 14:27:17 1999 From: Bertrand.Caron at xxx.se (Bertrand Caron) Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:27:17 +0200 Subject: Sinister: hej Message-ID: <373198B5.50EA43BC@uab.ericsson.se> I am something like new here...even if I have been on the list for one half year, I changed of EMail adress so I had towait in the nursery...but well anyway, it doesn't matter. So, my name is Bertrand, I am french and guess what, I love Belle and Sebastian. I am in Stockholm(sweden) for few month. I arrived here in april. So I would like to know if there are much B&S listies here... and if so if there are some stuffs done between them...In fact, I don't know much peple here and I don't speak swedish(exept hej,tack, ja, nej, hejdå,pendeltåg et tunnelbannan and maybe some more)and so if some of you could indicates me stuffs about Stockholm (good record stores...) it would be very nice... Has anyone tried to figure out in which country are situated the biggest part of B&S fans... I think it should be UK or France but well... I may be wrong... SO thanks for answering me...bye +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Victoria.Rees at xxx.com Thu May 6 14:41:43 1999 From: Victoria.Rees at xxx.com (Victoria Rees) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:41:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Stephen Dalton Message-ID: <0007EFA5.N22024@ft.com> Tigermilker said: >>Last of all, does anyone else think a stern letter needs to be written to >the NME in protest at Mr Stephen Daltons rather negative views on the whole >>Bowlie-thang? You can just tell that whatever it had been like, he didn't >>want to be there, and would have found something to moan about anyway. What >>a cynical young man. I met SD at Bowlie. He's about 40 and looks like a caveman. He said he hates festivals, doesn't understand the appeal of B&S and was staying in a hotel. God knows why the NME chose him to do that piece. He was clearly there against his will and hated everything about it. They should have got John Mulvey to write it, He spent the entire weekend grinning like a mad fool, but that could have been more about the drugs Mogwai fed him than the music or the atmosphere... Vicky **************************************************************************************** *Please visit the web site of the Financial Times at http://www.ft.com * * * *This E-Mail is intended for the use of the addressee only and may contain confidential* *information. 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WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From i95pjg at xxx.uk Thu May 6 14:48:57 1999 From: i95pjg at xxx.uk (paul g) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:48:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: dundee meetup Message-ID: <001a01be97c7$304077d0$45ab3cc1@is3006.tay.ac.uk> Dear sinisterpersons, Apologies in advance for posting this twice in two days when the majority of you are completely uninterested. Meet up in Dundee for anyone going to see Belle and Sebastian dj at dundee students union. Friday 7th May Tav Bar in students union 8pm to 10pm Look for Paul wearing blue shirt with security department logo on the sleeve or denny wearing stupid grin or Nik with ginger skinhead (tall) If anyone wants to go but is not a student I can sign one person in. Mail me if interested. Paul i95pjg at tay.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.net Thu May 6 14:46:21 1999 From: honey at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:46:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: hej In-Reply-To: <373198B5.50EA43BC@uab.ericsson.se> Message-ID: Bertrand Caron said: > I am something like new here...even if I have been on the list for one > half year, I changed of EMail adress so I had towait in the > nursery... Time to repeat something here as I think Thaian said the same. IF you've been on the list at all and then change your email, you don't need to go through all this, because we aren't those oafs at UK customs. Just drop me a line and tell me and I'll fix it for you immediately. It's probably my fault for not making this clear on the WWW pages, I'll do it when I can see above the trenches. Anyway, for Bertrand and others if you want to see who's from which countries on the list you can also go and look on the Sinister WWW site and click on "spread across domains" under "List membership". It's confused by those pesky .com and .net domains which can mean anywhere, but it gives you an idea. Also: for anyone who hasn't, go along to the library http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/library and see Gary Parkinson's little story on extra-terrestrials and The Carpenters. It's a little cracker, Miss Honey Librarian particularly recommends it. There's quite a few stories there now, so go along and dip in, and if you like any hey! tell the list or the person who sent them. There's nothing like a little encouragement, remember you might be telling a future Barbara Cartland that you "quite like her story" and she'll remember you in her will when she's rich and famous (and dead). And if you have a story stuffed up your jumper send it to me, and I'll give it a new home, and feed it regularly, like your favourite rabbit. I'm currently moving slightly from side to side in my office chair to the sounds of The Magnetic Field's "Get Lost", which in my ignorance I hadn't got til now. It's made all the more sweet by the fact that I bought it in that crazy little record shop in Rye on our mad escape tempt from Camber Sands (it was hidden between Tina Marie and Duran Duran), plus that as Matthew Hintz pointed out at the time, it's got Gail Chickfactor on the cover, who was at Bowlie and I got to sign above her head on the cover. She's got an awfully nice signature too. Awfully nice lemon meringue pie in Rye teashops too you know, as Linda, Michele, Damon, Matt and Brian will confirm, because I didn't give them any. Other stuff... ohh later. honey xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Thu May 6 14:47:41 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House) Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 14:47:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: dundee disco References: <001001be96e5$c62010e0$8eab3cc1@is3098.tay.ac.uk> Message-ID: <37319D7D.40D44DE5@jeepster.co.uk> hello, it'll be wee chris and mad belle dicky colburn ... i'm sure you'll see the patrol boyz and scratchy tom there too. k. PAUL J GARDINER wrote: > > Dear all, > > I found this on a small bit of crumpled-up paper in the pub last night > > Dundee University Students Union > Dallas 2 presents special guest dj's from Belle & Sebastian > Friday 7th May 1999 > 4 pounds to get in. > > Anyone know who it is going to be?....I would guess it will be Chris Geddes > but it sounds like there will be more than one person. > > If anyone is going then mail me to arrange a meet up. I can also get a > couple of people signed in. > > Paul Gardiner > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ ***we are moving on april 1st 1999!*** new postal address is po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hopkinstim at xxx.com Thu May 6 15:54:19 1999 From: hopkinstim at xxx.com (Tim Hopkins) Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 07:54:19 PDT Subject: Sinister: boring billionth post, nothing special... Message-ID: <19990506145420.47657.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello campers. I've been waiting ages for an important message. I've been holding my breath for so long that one lung has burst. I need the other lung to be able to smoke my cigs. So perhaps I'll amuse myself by boring you for a bit. Lovely to see so many graduates from the Sinister Nursery of Correction and Hard Knocks feeling like saying hello. Hello! I tell you what...let's do the show right here! Mr John JJ John J wrote all the way from Seahouses: >Here's some of my Bowlie pics, and a couple from the pub the night >before in Farringdon, I won't say who they are of, so as to leave an >air of mystery. Rachel and I are dancing to 'Ring of Fire' though. Well, I'm very glad that there are others on the list whose drunken impostors are uglier than they are. Phew. Lovely Francis said: >And the duo that played first was good also. They played a cover of >the >Smiths and another wonderful cover (?) that I wasn't able to >recognise. They were good, weren't they? They are the Foxgloves, who are Steven Trousers of this fair Parish, playing with Gary Brooker, who used to be the lead singer in Procol Harum, and who is now living the life of Riley collecting royalties following Mercury Rev's Procol cover versions. They (the Foxgloves)were covering the remarkably brilliant 'Travelogue' by Glo-Worm. Mmmm. >Respect goes to the Duke. Doesn't it, though, always? >Is there anyone of you in those picture? and who is who? There is a picture of someone pretending to be me. He's the fellow who used to go round pretending to be Stanley Kubrick, but he can't get away with that any more, so he's decided to be me. Most inconvenient. jennifer added: >hello you pishrogues. Pishrogues?! That is the single finest new word I've heard since I discovered the word 'cheese'. You what, Rob? >Carried a CD of my band around to give to John Peel but I never saw >him. >Was he even there? Yeah, he was there drinking with us, him and his lovely daughter. He seemed to know loads about the Sinister list, but I knew it was him cos he was on about the Incredible String Band. What? Oh, you mean that...? Oh. Oh. I'm glad it wasn't John Peel. Sam said: >Back then, when I searched for B&S the only web page I found was Andy >Dean's, it's amazing how much things have changed in just under two >years. But Deano's cave just gets hairier and hairier. >Did anyone catch the Looper? If you did, I think you can get some sort of ointment for it these days. Mister David Moore Chelmsford UK, who is more fun than John bloomin' Peel anyway, said: >my first big gig (Knebworth 1) was 25 years ago, so >they're re-releasing the posters of the 74-76 gigs. >Tim, Mr P!O!Pkins probably missed his heroes >Pink Floyd headlining because he hadn't even started school yet in >75. Actually, I was there, aged 5, standing in the front row and spitting at them, calling them stupid sweaty hippies and telling them to get their bleedin' hair cut. At school, I mean, talking to the teachers. Every teacher in Devon ever was a hippy. Apart from my Dad. Talking of sweaty, I went to the toilet a little while ago and there was someone in one of the stalls grunting like a stuck buffalo. I was entertaining the entertaining thought that his arsehole had been sewn up in his sleep by his disgruntled wife, and that he was straining to pop the stitches. And then I thought of you lot. I have no idea why. Sorry Cliff. That's probably about enough of that, isn't it? Cheerio Tim This mail has been brought to you today by the word 'Oh', the thought 'ugh', and the concept 'gratuitous'. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Thu May 6 17:08:44 1999 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 17:08:44 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Fattipuffs and Thinifers Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E225F1BC5@server1.HITEntertainment.com> Hello Sinister, This is kind of sort of talking about the list, so I'll make it brief, Hunny, promise, but I wanted to apologise for sounding so cliquey and in-crowd-wannabe in my last post. I've had a couple of people mention that reading posts full of irrelevancies about people they've never met enjoying themselves (because they're lucky/extrovert enough to attend regular get-togethers) doesn't do a lot for them, and my last note was the apotheosis of mutual "cool set" masturbation (in a purely metaphorical sense, you understand). It won't happen again, or at least I'll make the effort of saying something worthwhile as well in my next post... :) There isn't really an in-crowd at all - no-one whatsoever should feel left out of anything, and that's that. Just some of us with big mouths and bigger egos shouting louder than everyone else. Ignore us and we'll, erm, sulk, probably... I like chocolate, and chocolate likes me, Mark xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk Thu May 6 18:02:31 1999 From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (poetryplace2) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:02:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: they tuck you up, your mum and dad Message-ID: <01be97e2$3a9e2b80$046b9ac2@g5-200-3> Apologies for sending a brief mail of no interest to a great many of you, but the venerable poetry cafe is holding another social tomorrow night (friday 7 may), and anthony from hefner will be playing a gig in honour of his splendid new single. For full details go here >>> http://www.belleandsebastian.co.uk/cgi-bin/mboard/belle/thread.cgi?161,0 There will be many opportunities for mutual ego masturbation involving the sinister metrosexuals. I promise I'll write something proper soon to atone for this flagrant list abuse, tata Stevie Trousers xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Thu May 6 18:03:32 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House) Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 18:03:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S related news from the Jeepster news list 05/05/99 ... Message-ID: <3731CB64.A03792BD@jeepster.co.uk> Belle & Sebastian ----------------- We now have a definite re-release/re-issue/re-press (whatever) date for "Tigermilk" which is to be July 12th 1999. As yet, it only applies to the U.K. (Jeepster) and Europe (Delabel/Virgin) but as soon as i have dates for North America, Japan, Australia and the rest of the world, i will pass them on. "Tigermilk" will be released on CD (JPRCD007), heavyweight special-sleeve LP (JPRLP007), and MC (JPRMC007) in the U.K. and on CD in all other territories. we are taking advance orders for the album at our on-line store now - https://secure.jeepster.co.uk/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi - where the CD is priced* at 8 pounds, whilst the LP is only 7 pounds and the tape only 5 pounds. we are also going to despatch the record prior to the release in an attempt to ensure delivery on or immediately after the release date. (*prices quoted do not including any local taxes or shipping.) The album has been remastered and the artwork redone, obviously the first time for the CD and MC releases and sounds and looks absolutely amazing. I remember when i first started working at jeepster (nearly two years ago!) and every second phone call was "how can i get hold of "Tigermilk", so hopefully everyone who has not heard this magnificent album or who owns a scratchy tenth-generation tape copy will now be able to appreciate it in it's full splendour .. *sigh* :) Belle & Sebastian are now taking a break and will head back into the studio late summer to finish off their fourth album. There is possible talk of releasing a single before then but we'll just have to wait and see. Looper ------ News from the treehouse's mouth - http://www.treehouse.clara.net ... "We're planning a UK tour for May at the moment, and in July we'll be touring in America and Canada. The schedule for will be something like this, although not exactly: July 3rd- San Diego, CA July 4th- Irvine, CA July 5th- Los Angeles, CA July 7th- San Francisco, CA July 9th- Portland, OR July 10th- Seattle, WA July 11th- Vancouver, BC July 14th- Minneapolis,MN July 15th+16th- Chicago, IL July 17th- Detroit, MI July 18th- Toronto, ONT July 19th- Montreal, QC July 20th- Boston, MA July 21st- Philadelphia, PA July 22nd- Washington, DC July 23rd- NYC A soon as we have the venues and the exact dates confirmed we will post them here." and i'll pass them on to you all on this list :) possible Looper sing;e too, more news next update ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ that's about all for now. please note that all prices at the online shop will be revamped over the next day or two, so hang off on placing your orders and you may find nice discounts after the weekend! until next time ... cheers, Katrina. p.s. - Bowlie was ace! best bands in my opinion? Mogwai, sodastream (*sigh*) and Belle & Sebastian ... not that i'm biased or anything :) -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ ***we are moving on april 1st 1999!*** new postal address is po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From csomeone at xxx.com Thu May 6 18:40:17 1999 From: csomeone at xxx.com (Cynthia Someone) Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 10:40:17 PDT Subject: Sinister: at the toss of a coin, your head at the ground, your tail in the air Message-ID: <19990506174018.90552.qmail@hotmail.com> hi sinners: a warm close-mouthed smile to you all, shiny eyes and all... haven't been around for a while, this sunbird left for sunnier climes and it took me while to get back into the humdrum groove again... but I am glad all of you are chipper than ever, if not, chippier... surprised to find myself playing in the sandbox but I found it not at all a waste of time... happy as a clam in the sand... Bowlie sounds like an experience, and I wish I'd been there, sounds like the sort of thing I'd want to brag of and be very loud and exuberant regarding it upon return. and tigermilk Tigermilk T!I!G!E!R!M!I!L!K! is on my mind, I'm glad time goes fast, it seems like the reissue will be out in no time at all... (insert shameless hello to everyone I've spoken to since being on the list, penitent sorry I haven't posted) I am in music ecstasies right now, having picked up the new Lilys (any fans out there? is the older one any good?) and Virginia Rodrigues (brasil yay) and got some sort of spring urge to post though I've nothing really to say ... Cynthia http:www/geocities.com/soho/village/4541 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com Thu May 6 18:43:11 1999 From: ben_hates_penguins at xxx.com (Ben Parker) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Ohhh get me away i'm brian, get me away i'm dianne, get me away i'm dying... Message-ID: <19990506174311.8459.rocketmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Hello. I haven't said anything for several months. Not a word. I would have gone to bowlie, but alas I only have one friend that even mildly likes belle and sebastian, or would at least be willing to part with �85 for them, so it wasn't to be. Or maybe i'm just too friendless. I hear that Godspead... where on at the same time as b&s anyway, so that would have been a little annoying. did any one see them? Finally got round to finishing that girlfriend in a coma book the other week, just through boredom, and it was as bad as i thought it was going to be...the conclusion was by for the most anoying part of the novel. And utterly predictable. BeN _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ooon at xxx.th Thu May 6 17:42:41 1999 From: ooon at xxx.th (oon) Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 23:42:41 +0700 Subject: Sinister: Rock Rock Rock References: <199905031859_MC2-7456-6413@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <3731C680.BA6DAE3C@samart.co.th> Mr.David Moore kindly wrote: > Wishing A Happy Coronation Day to all our Thai readers :) sadly enough, i didn't even know last Monday was our Coronation Day. i only know that it's a holiday. and that made me happy enough not to ask anymore. actually yesterday was also our holiday. not sure what day it was either. i've been very busy. busy busy busy. apologies to the lovely ones i should have writen to long ago. my niece grows fast you know. when i have time i must watch her a lot. and rocking her hammock is my speciality. from doing that i think i've found the remedy to not being able to sleep. just rock some hammock. preferably when it's raining. you'll be automatically sleepy in no time. being with a baby a lot seems to put me into a mood of motherhood, or something. now when i see someone cute i want to put them into a hammock and rock them a bit. like smily stu m in that Fluffy's megaphone photo, he smiles like there's no tomorrow how sweet! and mick still looks like a baby how sweet! did you know you can now see my niece photo in Honey baby page, that's when she's two hours old. but big and hairy enough to fight. she's 2 months old now and is enjoying the licking-everything- in-front-of-me evolutionary stage. how cute! Thank you everyone for posting about what going to Bowlie is like. i'm still waiting for holy words from the immaculate St.Lucy though. oh if you still in the mood for baby photo, why not drop in at Mr.Christophahahahaha Sleeka Sounds Corporation - http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~calnd/sleeka/ he's got a baby photo in there as well. apparently not his own......but you never know (cue spooky sound effect) only 1 day till weekend! oon xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Thu May 6 18:44:49 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:44:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: There's more to life than smut, you know. But not much more. Message-ID: <80256769.00617D56.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> >> i was walking about campus the other day & saw a flier that said, "Depressed >> and have low self esteem? Listen to (radio station) playing Morrissey, The >> Smiths & Belle & Sebastian" >> >> I thought that was rather funny that they said that B&S is low self-esteem >> music. Ailsa wrote: >Doesn't anyone else think this? Maybe they're not low-self-esteem "I >hate myself and I want to die" stuff, but as a long-term bullying victim >with chronic self-esteem problems I identify far too much with certain >lyrics, especially "Mary Jo", "the one thing that I learned when I was >still a child was to take a hiding, if there's one thing that I learned >when I was still at school was to be alone", parts of "She's losing it" >and "Expectations", OK, maybe not what you'd all call low self esteem >music but I see myself in a lot of (especially earlier) Belle and >Sebastian lyrics and that's part of why I started to listen to them. >I'm pretty sure there must be a couple more people who see them that way >too? Yes? No? I mean there are a million other reasons I love them >too, but that's my view on the low-self-esteem thing anyway. Sometimes we get a bit overly flippant on this list. It's nice to find someone drawing attention to the sad side of the songs for a change. I wonder whether people are shy of it because 'angst-ridden teenager' is such a looming, uncool stereotype. Even when you're 26. Or 43. Oh dear, I think I'm heading down a road where I'll have to put my finger on what Belle and Sebastian are about, or why they're unique, and I don't feel up to the job. But here goes. I suppose ever since I was about 14 I've felt uneasy about any dark and doom-laden music, especially that made by contemporary white indie bands. It always just seemed so ridiculous. Pretentious, I suppose. (Maybe it says something bad about me, but I never felt the same way about misery-laden deep soul music). Even if I told myself they really did have pain in their lives, their way of expressing it just did nothing for me. Or it just embarassed me. I don't know. Which is why I always preferred music that dealt with life's knocks in a more playful, or at least detached way. What the detractors might call clever-clever. There's something about the observational, third person nature of most of Stuart Murdoch's lyrics, along with the smallness of his voice and the fragility of the music that makes all the tales of persecution and awkwardness that Ailsa mentions so bloody affecting. But some people will never see it. I pissed myself laughing at Steve Sutherland's quote in this week's NME Verve eulogy. It's a brave man who allows: "Blur release an album called 'Modern Life Is Rubbish' and The Verve release an album called 'A Storm In Heaven'. It's a matter of scale" to be blown up in big letters across the pages of the paper he edits. Especially when the quote continues ".. A matter of dimension. A matter of embracing the anti-matter, if you like". Tee hee. Different strokes, different strokes, man. Not that I'm wanting to closely identify Blur with Belle and Sebastian, you understand... Anyway, Ailsa soon reverted to smut: >Oh, and Big Stu said >> (more Economy Tarts anyone?), >which is no way to talk about Nick Dastoor in my opinion, even if he >does behave like an inordinate slut for under a pound :) >Wishing I had sold myself more effectively for a couple of listcrush >votes, Look, I'm not sure I like this Sinister slut label anymore. There was a lovely 24 hour period between Saturday and Sunday night at Camber Sands in which I was 'Sexiest boy on Sinister'. That was much better - can't we go back to that? I would just like to set the record straight that NONE OF THE SLUTTISH BEHAVIOUR at Bowlie was initated by me. I was always the passive partner lured astray by others. I've donated all my ill-gotten gains to charity. Filthy lucre. And I completely refute the suggestion that it was a cheap listcrush vote-winning exercise. I had three votes in the old count so at least one person's gone off me as a result of all this nonsense. Nicholas xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glawler at xxx.ie Thu May 6 20:32:01 1999 From: glawler at xxx.ie (Gary Lawler) Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 20:32:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Odd spelling Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990506203201.0079e550@gpo.iol.ie> So once I got cornered by a guy doing a survey for the Challenging Times program (sort of like University Challenge), and the "What is your favorite band?" question came up. I said B&S of course, but the survey guy wrote the name of the band as "Bell and Sebastian" which seemed very strange to me (although not as strange as a friend of mine who was a tad unsure of the name and called them "BELL AND SA BASS CHIN" in a recent EMail, though). Anyway, from all those Bowlie posts, I've read a bit about the Flaming Lips and how people think they're pretty good. I was thinking of maybe picking up one their albums to see what they're like - could someone tell me what their most accessible album is (probably best not to post any answers to the list ^_^)? Thanks. Gary Lawler * ICQ UIN: 11115268 * AIM: seclite369 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From carllafong at xxx.net Thu May 6 20:55:07 1999 From: carllafong at xxx.net (John Mahoney) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 14:55:07 -0500 Subject: Sinister: a beach is a place where a man can fell Message-ID: <000f01be97fa$58717000$237d85ce@ELNcarllafong> In my frequent checks of the digest it seems that there is an awful lot of Who discussin' going on. So, on those grounds, can anyone update on the new Lifehouse project that I read about a while ago? JM +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alix.campbell at xxx.net Thu May 6 21:41:47 1999 From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:41:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: halibut, halibut, halibut Message-ID: <00c701be9800$dd3c6fa0$bfc2fad4@big-comp> typical, isn't it? i finally think of something relevant to write to you dear soles. so, then my email packs up, and like a gagged lemur, i am suddenly silenced. now it's back and i've forgotten whatever excitingness it was i was going to say. i haven't seen anyone's lost keys, and nor have i seen my wallet. but i didn't lose that at the picnic, i, um...left, it in a taxi saturday night. really, the only people likely to have seen it are taxi drivers in oxford. are any of you taxi drivers in oxford? does anyone else wake up with hangovers and think 'what i need is Cajun music'. i can't understand why i would think this. i was convinced though ~ must procure music that i won't like. why, eh? i did have a jolly lovely time at the picnic, but i'll leave it at that, so no one feels left out. going to go and get some sleep now. remember: prolapse are at the point in oxford this saturday. GO. alix.x the universe contains everything that exists, the planets, their moons, the stars, star clusters, the galaxies and groups of galaxies and all the space and all the gas between them. as far as scientists know there is only one universe and there is nothing which is not part of it. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris.jones at xxx.uk Wed May 5 22:13:13 1999 From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 22:13:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Open/Day or possibly even Giraffe Message-ID: <199905062000.VAA28442@smtp.saqnet.co.uk> chris.jones at saqnet.co.uk http://www.saqnet.co.uk/users/saxtead/chris.htm Did anyone go to the LSE open day today? If so I might have seen you. Can't think of much else to say. Oh yes, It's my birthday! Chris Jones. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Thu May 6 22:45:39 1999 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records) Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 17:45:39 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Do Something Violent While You Can Message-ID: <37320D83.A3FDD268@ohiou.edu> Hello, Well, I wrote this a few days hence. Apparently the mail server got confused when I shortened my e-mail from bp224996 at oak.cats.ohiou.edu to bp224996 at ohiou.edu. Anyway, that's sorted out. Er, so this isn't incredibly relevant, but to make up for that, I will inform you all that Tigermilk will be released on my birthday. I'm sure they did that on purpose, and those Matador folk better follow suit, or I'll have to kick some beehind. On with the letter... Hm, this substitution of a subject header is starting to look like an album title for some teen angst band. Sorry about that. Anyway, I just wanted to write a bit about Struan smashing his guitar. I was reading Genevieve and others' posts and I realized that the poor guy should be able to do all sorts of things and not expect the fans to be up in arms at him doing it. He is, after all, just a human being. A human being who writes lots of lovely tunes, but a human being nonetheless. As such he gets stressed, angry, happy, sad, and yes, even violent. I don't think we should be appalled that he would produce such an act. We might be a little fraught that he was moved to produce such an act from obvious unhappiness. Anyway, I know you're all sweet and mean the best, I just thought I'd mention that. Oh and also I'm pedantic. Want proof? Tony wrote: > Thursday - ex-Trembling Blue Stars Harvey Willimas album launch @ 12 Actually Harvey Williams was in the Field Mice, not the Trembling Blue Stars. He played some live gigs with them but was never in the band, and thus can't be ex-TBS. See what I mean? /"\_/"\_/"\ Brian Pennington, a.k.a. Mick McMick; Sandcastle Records \ / bp224996 at ohiou.edu ICQ#5056758 | | Sandcastle Recs Homepage: http://www.frognet.net/~mick/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | -Mr. Friendly PS> I just prettied up my webpage if'n you want to see it. Must fix some breakfast now... PPS> I already fixed that breakfast & it was quite good. Now I must fix dinner. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From warranderj at xxx.com Thu May 6 23:00:15 1999 From: warranderj at xxx.com (John Warrander) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 23:00:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I'm forever bowlie-ing bubbles Message-ID: <01BE9814.5D186400.warranderj@bigfoot.com> Hello my rock'n'roll friends, I've just been shopping. And good shopping it was too. You know that Go-Betweens best of "Bellavista Terrace" that clever sorts like his Dukester were wittering on about not so long ago? Well nobody mentioned that it's got an absolutely fantastic extra CD with it which has amazing acoustic and electric sessions off American radio on it. And there's this lovely American woman saying some real nice things and the music is beauty exemplified. I kid you not. It's really very, very good. I'd get it soon if I was you cos I think the extra CD is limited or something. And it's really good. I went to Bowlie too. I didn't speak to anybody cos I'm a bit scared of real people but I was there. There were some small boys on the beach with a dead shark and they wore gorilla and elephant latex masks and held up their shark and then they got a kraft slice each for their trouble. If they hadn't enjoyed the plastic cheese so much they'd have got a pound each too, but they seemed happy enough. Then that Joss bloke (who's a bit of a shark too kids - so you be careful) got his mates together and gave our chalet a lesson on the finer points of the beautiful game. It was on the beach and very tiring and my legs hurt for days afterwards. Everything was so great though that even hobbling around like a cripple for most of the following week seemed sort of nice. I enjoyed Bowlie. I enjoyed Bowlie a lot. I thought the Pontins staff were dead ace too. And has anybody mentioned that The Pastels played a stormer? Well they did. Oh, and that ginger bit of stuff on the t-shirt stall was one beaut Sheila. And can I just say "Claire Timmins!". To try and recapture that Bowlie spirit I went to the seaside last weekend too. It was a "let's introduce our Australian friend to the underbelly of British culture" kind of deal. And the great underclasses that populate the terraces of lower division football grounds and go to Blackpool on a Bank Holiday weekend didn't fail to impress. Well, they left an impression or something. I'd like to say we can laugh about it in retrospect but there's no getting around the fact that football fans chanting disturbing homophobic shit leaves a rather unpleasant taste in the mouth that doesn't really clear that easily. Blackpool was great though. I bought a tartan bonnet with ginger hair attached then walked around the beach on my knees wearing it. Can you guess who I was pretending to be kids? There's a packet of smarties in it for you if you can you twee fools. I'm off to bed now, subdued and happy. Apology Accepted, Lover...John PS I wuv woo King of Finland +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Fri May 7 01:04:49 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 17:04:49 -0700 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <000801be981d$3965d0c0$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Let's see, I just out of the nursery, and I could try to be cutesy and creative, but let's face, only Stuart is very good at that. So, I won't bother. A few of you know me, most of you don't. My name is Elle Zober and I used to live in Glasgow. Several months ago I fell madly in love with an American and moved back to Seattle. Sadly this is still the home of grunge and I was hoping to find some Sinister people in and around the Seattle area to have pic nics stuff with. Nothing will ever be as nice as the Botanic Gardens, but you can always try. Anyway, it's been nice to read all you mails. It makes me a little less homesick...... So, - hi Edinburgh Keith, Sus and Paul...... I don't think that I know anyone else - oh, Ciara..... Hmmmmm.... Well, I'm feeling a little silly here, so I think that I will go. If anyone out there is anywhere near me - please email me, it's lonely being Sinister all by myself...... Good night. elle Let'L;aldjf +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From melissa.thornton at xxx.ca Fri May 7 03:18:20 1999 From: melissa.thornton at xxx.ca (MelissaThornton) Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 22:18:20 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Ohhh get me away i'm brian, get me away i'm dianne, get me away i'm dying... References: <19990506174311.8459.rocketmail@web210.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <37324D6C.33FDD82@utoronto.ca> ben wrote, > Finally got round to finishing that girlfriend in a coma book the > other > week, just through boredom, and it was as bad as i thought it was > going > to be...the conclusion was by for the most anoying part of the novel. > And utterly predictable. > ohh..i read it last summer (the other coupland books were o.k. to a certain degree) and i was puking all the way through it...i can't even put it in to words, it can only be described in my vomit... yours etc. emily +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rehakk at xxx.edu Fri May 7 03:49:49 1999 From: rehakk at xxx.edu (Kimberly Rehak) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 22:49:49 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <012c01be9834$468cb360$9e84c38d@rehakk.alleg.edu> hello my writing companions (because i only seem to post when i'm in the midst of writing a paper for class the next morning) so i was talking to my friend today...yes a story. this girl came into the library employee party with a scotland shirt on, because she's scottish (imagine that). and i say to my friend "scotland, that's where belle and sebastian are from" and he stares at something and then says "belle and sebastian--the scottish version of the wu tang clan..." and he then percedes to spout off all of these comparisons--stu d=the twee ODB?--anyway, he said that he was just spouting all of this off the top of his head, but i think he had it all planned out, waiting to tell someone. i think that this might have been a wee thread on the list awhile ago, i'm not sure, so i'll stop. i just wanted to share my belle and sebastian experience for the day with you lot. it's not very often that i talk to anyone here, in the middle of western pennsylvania (well, besides you marie--ha!) about b&s. well, i do have my macho friends downstairs who just use them as an excuse to make fun of me: "ooo, we're not cool like you because we don't listen to belle and sebastian"--dumb boys. regardless, i'm going to have a cigarette now then write some more about penises. (this is a fun paper) you all have fun sleeping, etc! KIMberly xx "and i'm certain if i drive into those trees, it'd make less of a mess than you've made of me" rainer maria +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Fri May 7 08:47:59 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 00:47:59 PDT Subject: Sinister: "Banana Yoshimoto: meet the man who sweats." Message-ID: <19990507074759.58259.qmail@hotmail.com> Nice to see Dougie Coupland is popular here, although I personally think "Polaroids from the dead" was a bit boring. Hmmm... Was it called that? Can't remember. Talking of books, I'm reading Banana Yoshimoto's "Amrita" at the moment, something like 50 pages to go. Pretty naive but wonderful. Not as good as N.P. was, though. Can anyone tell me why all those Japanese writers seem so gloomy but cheery at the same time? Yoshimoto writes about death almost all the time, it's sad and suicide and spirits etc, but still she manages to keep it a bit happy at the same time. Maybe it's their culture? All in all, her text is sooooo beautiful (insert schoolgirl tone of voice here). And a writer who's obsessed with Sonic Youth and also likes Shonen Knife is always nice. Oh, sister I'm a poet. Anyhow. My groin is getting better after that footie-accident. Just this mild pain when I try to strech it, but nothing serious. What is serious, however, is my big problem with sweating. Now, I like black clothes as much as everyone else who likes black clothes, but every now and then I'd like to get all summery (that's not a proper word, is it?) and wear these yellow or light blue t-shirts. But I can't do that, since I'm sweating all the time. Looks horrible, these big stains of sweat. Even when I'm lying on my bed without my shirt on my armpits just... Well, you get the picture. I'm using this deodorant at the moment, but it consists almost merely of alcohol (something like 96 per cent, I think?) and it HURTS like hell, burns right through my skin. Any suggestions what I should do? It can't be because of stress, so... Oh, and btw, Big (?) john Warrander wrote: >PS I wuv woo King of Finland Eh? "Wuv woo"? Ok, I'm off for a ciggie now. And do not hurt the trees, they have feelings too. "Pink pink pink pink moon." @-->--- jake, not the stationary chooser. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Fri May 7 12:47:37 1999 From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 12:47:37 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: I hit the bum for the final time and I walked away Message-ID: The word "moniker" always reminds me of monkeys, so whenever someone says it I picture a "cheeky" monkey, grinning and scratching his head "hilariously" and drinking cups of "tea". So stop saying it before my head fills up with monkeys. You bastards. Hello We went to see The Electric Sound Of Joy last night and they were really good. They were better with a singer, mind you. I was tempted to offer my services as a singer, but I don't think they'd be quite as good if they were called The Electric Sound Of Mild Disappointment And A Slight Headache, Lets Go Home And Have A Cup Of Tea, so I didn't. Nick Dastoor said >ever since I was about 14 I've felt uneasy about any dark and >doom-laden music, especially that made by contemporary white indie >bands. It always just seemed so ridiculous. Pretentious, I >suppose. I agree. I reckon the best thing about Stuart's lyrics is that they're always pretty detached, even when they're written in the first person, so they're never self indulgent. I think B + S are about the people who don't wave their hands and shout "look at me I'm soo miserable", like Stephen Dalton does, so they have to be sung for because they're too quiet to sing about themselves. That's probably why they attract pretty hopeless people like me, I suppose. But Nick, just because I agree with you it doesn't stop you being a dirty, dirty tart. By the way, if anyone wants to vote for me on the list crush site I'll be your best friend. I had a look the other day and Arantxa's got one vote but I'm not even on the list. How depressing. I'm prepared to stoop to any level of humiliation, you know, so come on kids! xxxxx Robin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Fri May 7 12:51:44 1999 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 13:51:44 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Hey Man, Smell My Finger! Message-ID: <01be987f$fb124660$LocalHost@itjfvkli> I'd like to be a big-bottomed bumble bee burrowing boldly into the bulbous bloom of The Foxgloves' fragrant hollyhock of P!O!P! So much talent in the leafy groves of Sinisterland, so much subtlety, so much...pazzazz! (burp!) That (burp!) was my considered response to all the (sigh!)ing that's been going on round here. (exasperated sigh borrowed from the Duke when he's teaching and teetering on the brink of the abyss of shouting at someone) Stuart's guitar smashing antics were the highlight of my life so far. Up until then it had been the cover version of "The Kids Are Alright" and the quick burst of Thin Lizzy. I can just picture it, Mad Dog Murdoch asking the crowd, "Has anyone got any Ayr Unoited in them?" Silence. "Would any of the gurls loik a little more Ayr Unoited in them?" Even silenter silence. That's the majesty of ROCK! Thank you to JJ for his wonderful photographic record of the Bowlihill Weekender. I'm making a limited edition run of Tim Hopkins teeshirts if anyone's interested. On the front, that picture of Tim. On the back, some words. Some tiny little insects have set up home in my CD collection. Has anyone got one of those cropdusting planes I can borrow? They must be educated fleas, because they seem to favour krautrock. Apologies to my pen pals. I've been bogged down with work and under the weatherness. I've been feeling like a cat in a bag since I heard The Verve had split up again. Oon, by the time I reply to you, your neice will be old enough to vote, providing you don't have another military coup. I've been reading about you Thais, you know. And I've got a tin of Thai soup. I think of Oon, Anne and Charlotte as Charlie's Angels, and David Moore as Bosley. I'm Charlie, of course. That's not a jaccuzi. I promise to reply to you all soon-ish. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of your life. I read "Scampi Fries From Hell" and enjoyed it very much, especially the bit about a meat mallet. It was nice to see so many words that I seem to have come to consider "Sinister words", such as "bum", "bra" and "McTaggart". Well done, Ciara. Stu G said something about the Genuflecting Weebles LP being sold on at twice the pwice Beepster were charging for it. Which means it must cost seven pounds fifty from the Beepster on-line store. Either that or someone is being discreet with the truth. And not for the first time, I might add. Joycott Beepster! Incidentally, I was a bit worried that the Who's the Coolest? Competition would have to take a breather for the Tigermilk re-release, but I needn't have worried. I salute the inventiveness of those of you who have written in to say how fantastic the remastered version sounds. I feel like a motherless child. I hear that there was a disappointing turnout for the Jock elections yesterday. Too pissed probably. How I miss Adrian Evans (sigh!). Sister Disco Cork Mix NP: Fine Young Cannibals - Good Thing. In the charts ten years ago this week. Started the Northern Soul revival, you know. I've been listening to The Vintage Chart Show with Paul Burnett. PS: Welcome, newcomers! Welcome! Welcome! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Fri May 7 14:19:56 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:19:56 EDT Subject: Sinister: I did it! Message-ID: <5d8d6220.2464427c@aol.com> Hello you, I took my Bowlie wristband off today. It was a hard decission but life has to go on, hasn't it? We can't live in the past all the time, no matter how much we would like to. But I assume some of you are still wearing it. No chance of winning Honey's cardigan for me then! :-) Sister Disco said: >>Joycott Beepster! Does this mean we shouldn't buy any B & S records anymore?? :-( Happy birthday to Chris Jones! Good bye Antje +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hynesdj at xxx.ie Fri May 7 16:11:58 1999 From: hynesdj at xxx.ie (Declan and Noren Hynes) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 16:11:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: he had the reds..... Message-ID: <01BE98A4.57B9B780.hynesdj@iol.ie> just a quick comment to Mick, yeh i agree about stuarts outburst. it was just a little scary seeing such anger from the boy. i don't think people were up in arms about that fact though, most of us CAN handle the violence. i think people are just a little worried about why he did it in the first place. someone mentioned an argument between him and isobel. ....all that side it was a nice gig, if a little short. and they played simple things which made my blood dance! i do smell the makings of a dublin picnic over the summer. that's all for today children slan finn +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MartinW at xxx.uk Fri May 7 16:11:45 1999 From: MartinW at xxx.uk (Martin Wilson) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 16:11:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: "We're all doomed!!!" - John Laurie, Dad's Army. Message-ID: <7F30E08893F4D11194770060084C6EA1127EFF@ntserver2.ucscarb.ac.uk> Nick Dastoor said >ever since I was about 14 I've felt uneasy about any dark and doom-laden music, especially that made by contemporary white >indie bands. It always just seemed so ridiculous. Pretentious, I suppose. & Robin Stout said >I agree. I reckon the best thing about Stuart's lyrics is that they're always pretty detached, even when they're written in the >first person, so they're never self indulgent. I think B + S are about the people who don't wave their hands and shout "look at me I'm >soo miserable", like Stephen Dalton does, so they have to be sung for because they're too quiet to sing about themselves. That's >probably why they attract pretty hopeless people like me, I suppose. I used to quite like doom laden songs and spent far too much of my youth imersed in Doors LPs. Recently though I've gone right off shouty mithering rock music. In defence of 'contemporary white indie bands' I suppose it could be said that they are mostly poor and working in crap jobs to pay off the credit card bill for the rickenbacker. But what have the likes of Metallica, Ministry etc got to moan about for goodness sakes? (The milkman came late It must be fate I can't have my cornflakes And nor can my mate. - Rock Soc. Marvel Mornings) What I love so much about Stuart's songs is that they never give in to self indulgence and are always defiantly optimistic even where this strays near to bad taste territory (Beautiful, LLPJ). People with real problems never seem to write songs or have them written. There are no songs about my gran who spent half her life without my grandad because his working life filled his lungs with coal dust and chemicals, or about the photographer down my street who killed herself because M.E. stopped her in her tracks or the woman at York Station who lives in a bag. On the other hand there are far too many song about scruffy blokes whose girlfriends have left them. B&S sort of help to redress the balance - well they keep my chin up anyway. Well that's enough ranting for a Friday afternoon but before I go for the early train home I thought I should mention some sad news for all us older twee folk. I just heard that the Emperor of twee, the mighty Johnny Morris has bumbled amiably off to the great chimpanzees' tea party in the sky. He will be sadly missed in this household that's for sure. Have a good weekend. /\/\artin -------------------------------------------------------------- "Boo to the business world." -------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ciflux at xxx.com Fri May 7 16:33:01 1999 From: Ciflux at xxx.com (Ciflux at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:33:01 EDT Subject: Sinister: more pedantic than thou Message-ID: <53b82405.246461ad@aol.com> Mick said: << Actually Harvey Williams was in the Field Mice, not the Trembling Blue Stars. He played some live gigs with them but was never in the band, and thus can't be ex-TBS. See what I mean? >> Actually, Harvey definitely did appear with the live version of Trembling Blue Stars. I saw him onstage at a TBS show with my own eyes. How much of a "member" of TBS he was I can't say -- I got the impression that he was just helping out with the live show... oh well, back to living vicariously through Bowlie posts. mike ciflux at aol.com http://members.aol.com/ciflux +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ciflux at xxx.com Fri May 7 16:35:10 1999 From: Ciflux at xxx.com (Ciflux at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:35:10 EDT Subject: Sinister: oops! Message-ID: I just realized that I said EXACTLY what Mick said. Sorry, MIck. OK, I'll shut up now. mike +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From EliotNew at xxx.com Fri May 7 15:53:38 1999 From: EliotNew at xxx.com (EliotNew at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:53:38 EDT Subject: Sinister: I'm only luke-warm when I'm writing songs Message-ID: <17675539.24645872@aol.com> Someone toss a life preserver to Elish in Seattle; you sound so lonesome! I know several badge and shirt wearing B&S fans in that area but they're of a sort more likely to pass out on your steps or fall through a table in your den than sit Indian-legged, swapping melted cheeses at some drizzly Washington picnic. So Looper can become Trans-Atlantic on the strength of one thin disc of fetching yet barely-there bedroom noodlings and B&S can't cross the Mississippi more than once with a shed of albums and E.P.'s to their credit? What's up? Can anyone assist with the proper nod and wink for Sinister recognition at a Looper gig? Inverted badge cover the B&S family tree or should I fly an Isobel head-hankie? Interested in swapping for B&S audio rares of all styles and quality. Please e-mail me if interested. Don't let the ocean frighten you; there are aeroplanes. Eliot New +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Fri May 7 15:54:03 1999 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 15:54:03 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: dedicated to be a Number One Message-ID: Hey ! After a few hours of typing my first serious words to be ever to take into account in the world of science and knowledge,that's it,the introduction of my first year as a PhD student report,don't you agree with me I deserve some belief in form of some philosophical reflection sent to this list? Ailsa was the one to throw the first stone (or may I say 'pebble'? I learnt this word at twelve in one of my first English textbooks ever , and I love it because its Flintstonian connections but in spite of my Bramcote , Devon days, never stand any chance to put it in my lips again)However,every one is providing his/her contribution to the topic 'Doom and gloom in Belle and Sebastian songs : Detachment as an essential songwriting skill in the late nineties' and I am not going to stay in the cold,alone and quiet, nope! Long time ago some Radiohead fans in the list come out of the wardrobe,showed their heads and so on, but in spite of this fact,I regard the majority of us agree (and demand)obvious, too obvious self-deprecation combined with self-consolation don't work anymore and can turn out to be quite annoying for even very disposed audiences.Even if you are sad,temporarily sad or your life is permanently a disaster,there are so many out there who could claim the same that is not enough to declare yourself an artist,a sensitive soul, blah ,blah. About identification, in my case, Judy is the obvious.But if you are eight and a girl,and decide to become a physicist, there is no other way.-> I have managed to include a Blur reference.hurrey! Love,love,love Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From acook at xxx.uk Fri May 7 17:05:21 1999 From: acook at xxx.uk (Alasdair Cook MS1996) Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 17:05:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Warning: reasonably serious post Message-ID: <37330F41.362A95B@cs.strath.ac.uk> OK, I'm sure no-one's at all interested anymore, but here's my contribution to the whole doom laden B&S low self-esteem discussion thingie. First of all Ailsa said: > Maybe they're not low-self-esteem "I > hate myself and I want to die" stuff, but as a long-term bullying victim > with chronic self-esteem problems I identify far too much with certain > lyrics, especially "Mary Jo", "the one thing that I learned when I was > still a child was to take a hiding, if there's one thing that I learned > when I was still at school was to be alone", parts of "She's losing it" > and "Expectations", OK, maybe not what you'd all call low self esteem > music but I see myself in a lot of (especially earlier) Belle and > Sebastian lyrics and that's part of why I started to listen to them. > I'm pretty sure there must be a couple more people who see them that way > too? Yes? No? I mean there are a million other reasons I love them > too, but that's my view on the low-self-esteem thing anyway. Then Nicholas Das(tardly)toor said: > There's > something about the observational, third person nature of most of Stuart > Murdoch's lyrics, along with the smallness of his voice and the fragility of the > music that makes all the tales of persecution and awkwardness that Ailsa > mentions so bloody affecting. And then Robin popped in with: > I agree. I reckon the best thing about Stuart's lyrics is that > they're always pretty detached, even when they're written in the > first person, so they're never self indulgent. I think B + S are > about the people who don't wave their hands and shout "look at me I'm > soo miserable" Yes, I also like the third person view, when you can look at someone's life from a distance, but sometimes wonder how much is simply made up and how much is a reflection of the songwriter's life. Or is any of it made up? I mean they always tell you to write what you know, but I suppose it depends on how good your imagination is. On the other hand I am also a great fan of first person lyrics, such as Bob Wratten's, which are a great deal simpler but even more effecting for me if done well. Also, as a sufferer of occassional mild bullying, but mostly just being ignored by 'cool' people at school, I can identify to some extent with lyrics/themes. It was the Fannies who said "Don't always look for comfort in a song" but I don't see anything wrong with it (finding comfort in songs, that is). But but but, for me it's a lot to do with just being able to appreciate the beauty in things ("If the sun going down can make me cry, why should I not like the way I am?" etc) and wanting to hear music that makes me feel happy, sad, everything, and my favourite B&S song is "Get me away..." which has that kind of theme in parts of it ("I could kill you, sure, but I could only make you cry with these words"). It isn't about lyrics all the time either, as I found myself pulled apart (not literally, like by a tractor or anything) while listening to the Goodspeed You Black Emperor EP the other day, and certain Mogwai tunes have the same effect. In the end it doesn't really matter what you listen to or how you interpret things, as long as you get something out of it (no, not a free gift), and you're passionate about whatever it is you choose to stick on your stereo. Otherwise stop listening and take the CD back to the shop. Or become a ned (no, actually, don't do that). Bloody hell, that was far too serious a post. Must go and watch The Simpsons. Bye for now Alasdair xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sav_one at xxx.com Fri May 7 17:23:42 1999 From: sav_one at xxx.com (Darren Savage) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: research Message-ID: <19990507162342.18020.rocketmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Dear All There have been some intersting views expressed of late concerning individuals emotional responses to songs. I am doing some research at the moment into the affects of auditory stimuli on cognitive processing. If anyone has any tales of woe or happiness related to particular songs then I would be very grateful if you could send me them. Huge thanks in advance and I hope that you all have truely smashing weekends. Cheerio Savage _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Fri May 7 17:25:32 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:25:32 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Hello out there..... Message-ID: <000701be98a6$3a4d7360$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Hello.... There was a little confusion on my name, so I thought I would offer some kind of explanation - when I lived in Scotland I was married for a brief time to an Australian - and so my last name was Zober and my nickname has always been - Elle. So Elle Zober is Elish Hope and that is me. It's really not as insane as it sounds...... I think. So, thank you to all those who emailed me, it cheered me up as I have just begun my day here at work..... Special thank you to Eliot, my own personal Magic Dragon...... Love and kisses, elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Fri May 7 17:57:06 1999 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (skg21 at xxx.uk) Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 17:57:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Tears of a Clown Message-ID: <1007431.3135088626@q7300-05.quns.cam.ac.uk> --On Thu, May 6, 1999 23:00 +0100 "John Warrander" wrote: > I've just been shopping. And good shopping it was too. You know that > Go-Betweens best of "Bellavista Terrace" that clever sorts like his > Dukester were wittering on about not so long ago? Well nobody mentioned > that it's got an absolutely fantastic extra CD with it which has amazing > acoustic and electric sessions off American radio on it. And there's this > lovely American woman saying some real nice things and the music is beauty > exemplified. I kid you not. It's really very, very good. I'd get it soon if > I was you cos I think the extra CD is limited or something. And it's really > good. When I first heard Bellavista Terrace, I must admit to being a bit disappointed after all I'd heard. But then I put the second bonus CD on, and it is so much better; whether they're just better songs, or better versions, I don't know, but it's certainly convinced me to give the first CD time to see if it grows on me. Still not as good as The Lilac Time album though. Oh, and I'm not one to cast aspersions, but whoever voted 8 times for John on the listcrush site, you've been foiled. I've put him back down to one now. You are only allowed to vote for someone (yourself?) once... Is anyone else really pleased that the rain has come back again and put an end to the summery weather of late? Just because it means there's less temptation to sit outside the pub all day when i should be revising... I might still have time to pass those exams... Big Stu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From eliam at xxx.edu Fri May 7 18:31:30 1999 From: eliam at xxx.edu (Marie Elia) Date: Fri, 7 May 99 13:31:30 -0400 Subject: Sinister: you're cozy and the rain comes rattlin'... Message-ID: <199905071731.NAA01272@pellns.alleg.edu> sin�is�ter \'sin-es-ter, archaic se-'nis-\ adj [ME sinistre, fr. L sinistr-, sinister on the left side, unlucky, inauspicious] (15c) 1 archaic: UNFAVORABLE, UNLUCKY 2 archaic: FRAUDULENT 3: singularly evil or productive of evil � Thesaurus: sinister adj seriously threatening disaster sinister plot syn baleful, malefic, maleficent, malign; compare OMINOUS rel fateful, ill-omened, inauspicious, ominous, portentous, con harmless, innocent, innocuous hello, you evil ones! for some reason i thought i'd share webster's take on us.... anyway, today is odd and ominous (sinister??) weather here in northwestern pennsylvania... i am camped out at a computer to write poems, and it was thundering and drizzling and all ready for a storm, which i love! but just now the sun poked through -- sun is highly uninspiring.... however, listening to Rachel's is very inspiring... on the subject of stuart's smashing antics, i think when i posted that i was dismayed at his actions, i was thinking of the guitar -- an innocent guitar cut short in its prime! i remember being at an ani difranco concert, and some well-meaning obsessive fan threw some sort of gift on stage, and it knocked over ani's other guitar which was in one of those stands, and ani proceeded to seethe to the audience, "this is folk music, okay? we don't smash guitars -- we Play them!" my reaction to the dublin gig was sort of a watered down version of that.... take care, xoxo, marie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ussher at xxx.ca Fri May 7 18:33:10 1999 From: ussher at xxx.ca (allen) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:33:10 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Sinister: "Banana Yoshimoto: meet the man who sweats." In-Reply-To: <19990507074759.58259.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Warning: no B&S and content! :( On Fri, 7 May 1999, jarkko frantila wrote: > Nice to see Dougie Coupland is popular here, although I personally think > "Polaroids from the dead" was a bit boring. Hmmm... Was it called that? The only Coupland books I've read were Shampoo Planet and a bit of Microserfs (don't think I finished it). The only thing that got to me about the books was that they seemed to try so very hard to be hip and cool that I just got so sick of them. Too pretentious, I suppose. > Can't remember. Talking of books, I'm reading Banana Yoshimoto's "Amrita" at > the moment, something like 50 pages to go. Pretty naive but wonderful. Not > as good as N.P. was, though. Can anyone tell me why all those Japanese > writers seem so gloomy but cheery at the same time? Yoshimoto writes about > death almost all the time, it's sad and suicide and spirits etc, but still > she manages to keep it a bit happy at the same time. Maybe it's their > culture? All in all, her text is sooooo beautiful (insert schoolgirl tone of > voice here). And a writer who's obsessed with Sonic Youth and also likes > Shonen Knife is always nice. Oh, sister I'm a poet. I remember reading the first few paragraphs of Kitchen and falling in love with the conversational style of her writing. In order of favourites, I'd rate Kitchen, then Lizard, then N.P. I had bought Amrita long ago but could never really get into it. Is it worth picking up and trying again, do you think? Right now I'm reading Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice which is excellent. Cheers, Allen -- "Long afloat on shipless oceans I did all my best to smile Till your singing eyes and fingers Drew me loving to your isle." -- Song to the Siren, Tim Buckley. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Fri May 7 18:12:01 1999 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records) Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 13:12:01 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Emotions and Songs, Lyrics too... References: <19990507162342.18020.rocketmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: <37331EE1.F53A38BB@ohiou.edu> Hello, Darren Savage wrote: > There have been some intersting views expressed of > late concerning individuals emotional responses to > songs. I am doing some research at the moment into > the affects of auditory stimuli on cognitive > processing. If anyone has any tales of woe or > happiness related to particular songs then I would be > very grateful if you could send me them. Rather than send a response directly to Darren, I thought I'd generalize my views on this enough to make it relevant to what I think is a pretty interesting thread... First of all I find myself caught up the most when I'm listening to music either A) Live or B) In my car. Something about driving and listening to music is really satisfying to me. I think I concentrate more on the music then at any other time. The driving is sort of second-nature (maybe that's not a good thing ;) and the music becomes the full focus. I mean, I'm listening to music right now while I type, but I'm concentrating more on what I type than driving. Also, I agree with what Alasdair briefly mentioned. Often times the lyrics play second fiddle so to speak to the song, and in my personal experience the strongest emotions I have in reactions to songs is usually not to the lyrics but to the music itself. Something to do with Crescendos, usually. But I do appreciate lyrics too. You know, am I the only one who thinks Stuart's lyrics remind me of the Beatles? Only because they're one of the few bands I listen to who mostly write songs in the third person. But is that the only reason? Going on the basis of "Hurley's Having Dreams," I wouldn't be surprised if Monsieur Murdoch was a fan. After all, it would be a bit difficult to like the Left Banke and despise the Beatles, wouldn't it? Perhaps I'm mistaken, but we'll probably never find out one way or the other... /"\_/"\_/"\ Brian Pennington, a.k.a. Mick McMick; Sandcastle Records \ / bp224996 at ohiou.edu ICQ#5056758 | | Sandcastle Recs Homepage: http://www.frognet.net/~mick/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | -Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah at xxx.uk Fri May 7 19:51:08 1999 From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 19:51:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: nice as knitwear Message-ID: Hello! Bowlie pictures? You got em... http://www.elsato97.demon.co.uk/images/ I'm not in any of them. But you might as well look anyway.... Hehehehehe! I have the best thing cooking in the oven EVER. Sausage chips and beans, IN A READY MADE TRAY!! Oh my god how terrible! How mad! Fantastico! I have my first alevel on Monday the 17th of June starting at 9.10, where I will have to speak in Spanish for a long time about such stimulating topics as "the extreme right and the catholic church", hey, why couldn't I just pick "me and my cat"? Bastards! I think I will just sing 'Donde estan las llaves, matarile rile rile?' and say Arantxa told me to. I wish I knew the tune... Ooh me tea is cooked I may finish the mail later...like right about now! yumyumyumyumyum! That was so CRAZY! Warrender - where did you go in Blackpool? Did you got to RIPLEYS believe it or not? I, am seriously considering getting my summer job with the pleasure beach corporation. Or I might just sit on the beach shooting the moronistic fools that wear those tartan hats with ginger hair...and of course the fake tits on fat men with their under-skirted ladie friends. In white shoes. Someday people will analyse my emails, and those sentences will be underlined and annotated with the notes "shows predjuice". Well you fuckers its true. I'm predjudiced because they are shit. Fuck! (use of taboo language, intended to shock) Enough... I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!! Sarah +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From punka at xxx.uk Fri May 7 19:54:33 1999 From: punka at xxx.uk (John Kerr) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 19:54:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: sinister paranoia Message-ID: <000b01be98bb$0c712300$419793c3@GI.NET> hey, as a near resident of the fair city of Glasgow, I'm really rather fond of walking through Kelvingrove park, but recently it's been getting mentioned rather heavily on this list, now when I walk through I find myself wondering, is he on the list, what about her ? Maybe we should get big name tags or something ? On another point, I had a wee wander into irc land and found a sinister channel on a dalnet server, I know that's not the one I'm supposed to use but well, I couldn't be bothered changing all my settings. Anyway, in this sinister channel, there was a strange lady who seemed to be under the impression that it was a satanic channel, although after chatting to her for a little while, she seemed quite nice really. thanks, John. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samiamx at xxx.com Fri May 7 20:31:33 1999 From: samiamx at xxx.com (Sam Devere) Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 12:31:33 PDT Subject: Sinister: to see if hands across the ocean shake or wave... Message-ID: <19990507193134.50483.qmail@hotmail.com> My one absentee Bowlie comment is that it would have been worth it simply to hear Mogwai cover Joy Division. Thanks to the local news media, our only consistent 'rave' has been shut down because of the alleged Ecstacy abuses that go on inside. What happened to the good old days when our mayor would partake in such an event rather than try to shut it down? By DC's standards, this is an outrageous oxymoron. Sam NP: 'baggy jeans and long blond hair, without a care in the world'...the Farm _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From melissa.thornton at xxx.ca Fri May 7 21:11:49 1999 From: melissa.thornton at xxx.ca (MelissaThornton) Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 16:11:49 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Warning: reasonably serious post References: <37330F41.362A95B@cs.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <37334905.C93F0EF6@utoronto.ca> Alasdair wrote: > > > > It isn't about lyrics all the time either, as I found myself pulled > apart (not literally, like by a tractor or anything) while listening > to > the Goodspeed You Black Emperor EP the other day, and certain Mogwai > tunes have the same effect > . > indeed...i was going to say the same thing about some mogwai songs...they both give me the same sort of goose bump feeling...ahhyours etc. emily +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tinystar at xxx.com Fri May 7 21:29:50 1999 From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 16:29:50 -0400 Subject: Sinister: fueling my exhibitionist tendencies Message-ID: <000101be98c8$78757f80$431e05d1@oemcomputer> hey sinistreeees, thought you might like to know that i've got some photos from the toronto sinister picnic in october up on my website, at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/3733/picnic.html but for heaven's sakes, use the 'back' link and do a little exploring, as i've also got photos of a couple pecola shows (including their very last show on may 5, where i encountered the lovely teri and her friend emily), polvo and velocity girl, as well as some arty polaroids and gratuitous pictures of me. oh, and if you're one of the unnamed people, just write and let me know who you are and i'll fix your name. i'm terrible with names, so please don't feel hurt. and you'll all be thrilled that i've found out mono is only contagious until the fever breaks, which was 2 weeks ago when i was feeling most crap. so i'm up for some kissing. someone is listening to dmx outside my house. "i love my niggaz but where's my bitches" makes me giggle. although he's all hardcore and scary. kisskisskisskisskiss, jessicaxo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m (it's lovely being a girl) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tinystar at xxx.com Fri May 7 22:37:44 1999 From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 17:37:44 -0400 Subject: Sinister: the delgados tour dates? (nbsc, sorry) Message-ID: <000101be98d1$f5cb97e0$551e05d1@oemcomputer> hey ho, sorry about the very un-b+s post, but i'm trying to find out the delgados tour dates (or, more importantly, are they playing in toronto? i know they're in cleveland next week, and we're really not that far away...) and i've checked the chemikal underground site but it doesn't seem to have been updated in ages, plus there are all sorts of script errors, and i don't know where else to look (there's nothing in pollstar about their tour at all, and the usual toronto listings aren't turning up anything either). so if you know, pleaseplease email me (and not the list, you know how it is). also speaking of concerts in toronto (what the hell, i'm already way off topic), i'm very excited about the upcoming st. etienne (may 24 at lee's palace) and mercury rev (may 15 at the opera house). i can remember reading ages ago about when mercury rev played at some outdoor festival, and the entire police force got sent out to stop them because apparently you could hear their set all over town and it sounded like a fleet of trucks idling. i'm so excited! it's concert season! would anyone like to send me money? love jessicaxo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m (it's lovely being a girl) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From viscount at xxx.net Fri May 7 22:50:12 1999 From: viscount at xxx.net (Andrew Tracey) Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 22:50:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: It's all over the front page..... Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990507225012.00737498@clara.net> Long time no hear I've been hiding through all the bowlie business, jealous of missing out on the bands and wanking machines but mostly missing the seaside. It is supposed to be very theraputic, especially for city boys like me. I'm in total agreement with whoever it was who said the bonus Go-Betweens CD is better than Bellavista terrace. I was persuaded to get into the band by a friend who thinks they're the best things ever, only to be a bit disappointed on first listen to the first cd. The sessions have a bit more 'energy' to them. The verdict on the rest of my shopping basket is - new Add (n) to x album = very good - new Suede album = mediocre at best. Chances of Suede ever recording another Pantomime Horse = nil Winding the clock back to Monday and the picnic, Sky news did their evening weather forecast live from Primrose Hill about 5 or 6 o'clock. I had a look out for any giveaway Stow T shirts to highlight your presence but alas my search proved fruitless. Nationwide fame must settle for the bowlie photos for now. Bloody Mogwai have got themselves into a computer game now. They're in Actua Ice Hockey, after the Super Furry Animals blagged their way into Actua Soccer 2. Are B+S missing out here. After Stuart's guitar rage maybe he could be the central character in Quake 3. Picture the blurb on the back of the box "An isolated man, stranded on an alien planet. Survival is his only thought. Become 'Mad, Bad' Stuart as he struggles to prevail over his alien adversaries, armed only with a ukulele. Smash your way through the levels, picking up bigger and more powerful weapons along the way. From the fairly weak banjo, through both six and twelve stringed guitars up to the BFIs (big fucking instruments), the daddies of them all, the cello and double bass. Swing these monsters about your head and waste the alien scum" I wouldn't mind seeing Isobel in Tomb Raider 4, though. Lara needs a rest. Moniker/Monica homophonic comedy. My brother had his confirmation a few weeks ago with the others in his class. A hushed church sat in silence as the children went up to the bishop one by one and told him the name they had chosen to be confirmed with. Pity the poor girl who chose to be confirmed as Monica during Ms Lewinsky's book tour. She must have wondered why poorly stifled giggles reverberated around the church during her holy moment. The bishop wasn't pleased either. One more thing, the Verve obituary in this weeks NME is the funniest thing you'll read this year. I bid you adieu andrew +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From heath at xxx.org Sat May 8 00:19:40 1999 From: heath at xxx.org (Heath Seals) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 18:19:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Sinister: belleandsebastian.org email addresses. Message-ID: greetings. after much procrastination, belleandsebastian.org email addresses are now available. just point your browser to http://www.belleandsebastian.org and follow the link. this is simply an email forwarding service. all mail sent to your belleandsebastian.org address will be forwarded to the address you specify. if you have any questions, feel free to email me at heath at belleandsebastian.org. take care, heath +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From summerwasting at xxx.com Sat May 8 09:22:28 1999 From: summerwasting at xxx.com (Nick Eeepooh!) Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 01:22:28 PDT Subject: Sinister: going through withdrawel Message-ID: <19990508082228.21994.qmail@hotmail.com> 'ya know, i'm just craving some new exciting music and being 16 and jobless i'd really like to do a trade with someone out there. i'm kinda new to the net and i'm not really aware of any rules about trading so feel free to let me in on them(if any) What do i listen to? well, LOW, EUPHONE , SMOG, MAKE UP and PLUSH are on heavy rotation in my cd player. i live in vancouver and am interested with hearing stuff like godspeed you black emporer! and neat stuff like that(rare B&S songs would be exciting too) So if anyone's into it please email me and we'll work somthin' out. thanks .nick. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tinystar at xxx.com Sat May 8 14:43:25 1999 From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica) Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 09:43:25 -0400 Subject: Sinister: ring a bell and i'll salivate Message-ID: <000101be9958$da83e000$571e05d1@oemcomputer> sinistreeeees, i've been informed by several kind souls that my picnic page isn't working on netscape, thanks to all that fucking shit javascript that geocities has blasphemed it with. so i'm really sorry, but you'll have to find yourselves a copy of ie if you'd like to get in on the october picnic fun. surprisingly, it's not _my_ code that's made a mess of things. and thanks also to the kids that let me know that the delgados show in toronto is tonight, at the horseshoe, and it's only $6. did anyone catch them on cfny's live in toronto? i called the horseshoe, they open the doors at 9pm and the delgados are on first, which means 9:45pm or so. make sure you get there early if you'd like to see them, they're playing with the flashing lights which is the newest superfriendz distraction band. oh, karate man. love+kisses, jessicaxo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m (it's lovely being a girl) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Sat May 8 15:05:18 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 15:05:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: So typical, a battle of wits, and I've come half-prepared Message-ID: <3734449E.11CA9DE2@student.paisley.ac.uk> Nice to see an abundance of Trash Can Sinatras lyrics in people's subject boxes these last few days. I would just like to warn everyone of a nervous disposition to think carefully before looking at Sarah's photo entitled "vickybeer" as it shows alarming amounts of my torso due to an ill-fitting dress and may cause the retraction of my list crush votes (kind of like jessica in reverse - show flesh first, get no votes). Incidentally, big Stu, if all voting is done anonymously and you don't know who is voting for who, how did you know that Warrender John had voted ten times for himself? Does that mean you can blackmail people as you *do* actually know who votes for who? I'm not ashamed of who I voted for, but the person who voted for me that I don't know who you were (but thank you anyway! Presumably NOT someone who met me at Bowlie where I was putting the Hopkins-a-like to shame with my drunken mumblings and quite possibly contributing to the Beamish Black running out early on Sunday), you may be worried to know that big Stu will take one look at Sarah's photo of me and laugh at you behind your back for the rest of your days :) I had a nice long spiel composed in my head about lyrics v music that I was going to insert here, but I can't really be bothered. It involved the Cocteau Twins, pre-"everything must go" Manics and how they affect me in different ways, and Belle and Sebastian are the best of both worlds, grabbing you both musically AND lyrically. And I think that about the lyrics I *don't* identify with as well, to be that accurately observational about so many things is the talent of a true poet/songwriter, as opposed to the actions of a talentless fool like me that thinks I can ramble on about things and convey even half of what I feel. I can't do it, and am not foolish enough to think that because I have suffered a bit I could write a song/book about it and make people see what it is I am trying to say. I don't know, or particularly care, if Stuart went through any or all of the experiences he writes of, all I know is he can express the shit I went through much better than I ever could. And it's nice to know that people understand it. Nick mentioned something about angst-ridden teenager stereotyping and I feel I may be drifting into that here by harping on about my rather unfortunate youth. I would like to mention at this point that I do NOT listen to mournful doom and gloom music, being a huge fan of C86/Postcard/Teenage Fanclub and other such jangly stuff. My record collection is not full of other people's angst, I merely find that certain B&S lyrics strike a familiar chord, but it is uplifting rather than painful to hear. I can't quite fathom out why, perhaps it's the detachment, and the realisation that people do get it. I can't really ever say "look at me, I'm miserable" and hope people understand or care, it's just not in my nature to seek comfort. It took a hell of a lot for me to admit this stuff here and I just did it because I thought that if people understood the feelings in the lyrics, they would understand that there are people out here who see themselves in that. I never did it for sympathy (but thanks to the people who mailed me privately, it meant a lot), I just meant it to be a throwaway thread about meaning in songs and how Struan's quite good at it. Arantxa and Robin both touched on the fact that feeling it doesn't mean you can, or indeed should, talk/write about it. So I shall close my own public correspondence on this matter there, though any of you who wrote to me privately about this should feel free to continue :) God, where did that come from? I notice I started that paragraph with the notion that I couldn't be bothered writing a lot. Sorry :) Oh, and by the way, Nick Dastoor is a fine upstanding human being and not sluttish in any way. Cute, too. Photographic evidence of cuteness will be forthcoming as soon as my mate's scanner gets fixed. Ailsa xx PS Apologies for being all regional here, but are any of you from the Highlands of Scotland/going there over the summer holidays? I am moving back up to my parents' house in Inverness for the summer in a month or so, and having not lived there for seven years don't know a single soul that I'm not related to (no jokes about being everyone being related anyway, please). It would be nice if I had someone to go out and have a pint with occasionally. Mail me PRIVATELY please! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Sat May 8 15:50:50 1999 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 07:50:50 PDT Subject: Sinister: i may not be the one you want,but i know i`m the one you need Message-ID: <19990508145051.54952.qmail@hotmail.com> just a little thing.. Mick wrote: > Anyway, I just wanted to write a bit about Struan smashing his >guitar. I was reading Genevieve and others' posts and I realized that >the poor guy should be able to do all sorts of things and not expect the >fans to be up in arms at him doing it. He is, after all, just a human >being. A human being who writes lots of lovely tunes, but a human being >nonetheless. As such he gets stressed, angry, happy, sad, and yes, even >violent. I don't think we should be appalled that he would produce such >an act. No! He can`t! He`s a role model for my impressionable mind you know,and if i read that struan snorts coke and visits gentleman`s clubs,you better believe I will follow in his footsteps. Oh,I`m just funning ya. Well,of course he`s entitled to smash his guitar,but wasn`t that cool like in the 70`s? And What about the starving children who can`t afford guitars? I don`t want Ma Belle Struan to start start tearing up hotel rooms. I mean,you start one thing,where does it end? What`s next Struan...pre-marital sex? i suppose in my mind he`s more the lover in the fighter,but i also suppose most of you don`t have belle and sebastian scenarios like i do. Stuart Murdoch,what you need is a way to express violence without actually hurting.I`ll help you. It`s called Elephant Fighting,i`ll teach you,come round this afternoon. tag wrote about all the sordid things,but didn`t go into detail,so again,i`m in the same position `i dont think i really know went on` you`re such teases on sinister,all promise,no give. i`ve been looking at all the bowlie pics,it`s such fun!I just blast Ricky Martin, and wave my head around a bit and it`s just like i was really there. chris leonard looks like a real pop star. i had the funniest substitue teacher..you would`ve all loved him! he wasnt like a real normal teacher,he did cartwheels and showed my friend how to properly beat me up,he was also obsessed with crack...teachers aren`t supposed to be like that,are they? cue in to gen sitting alone at table finishing her test, teacher coming up "you look a little tired." "yes,its hot" "you need to get yourself some crack." and the first thing he said when he came into the class was "it`s hotter than a snake`s butt in here!" i`m not joking! ha! oh..and for the record,yeah i listen to a lot of music in the car,only with my mother though,father won`t put up with that noise. the second favourite place is in the basement,where there`s lots a room. I was just dancing to The Miracles (mmmm Smokey) actually down there,you can just go nuts,cartwheel wise. ok,picnic time...(not a sinister one) luv, genevieve ---a mini story--- "all you gotta do,is dry your eyes,long enough to see,that you have the love you thought you had in him here with me *low voice* girl, love is strength, here is someone standing right beside you,who would go to to any length...to give you love...true and deep..ooooh" struan put down the guitar he was about to smash and oustretched his arm into the crowd at the festival. A girl was being squished from the all the people.Struan has strong arms,very manly,so with just a little tug he pulled her right out of the crowd and threw her over his shoulder. "Let`s go back to my castle in scotland and Elephant Fight,love." ---the end--- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From brennan at xxx.uk Sat May 8 19:49:48 1999 From: brennan at xxx.uk (Brennan) Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 19:49:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I'll think of something Message-ID: <00b001be9983$a40e03e0$2008883e@rcspo> So I'm just taking a break from the fascinating revision that takes me across the plushly vegetated landscapes of orgainc chemistry to self inductance. Only physics can make up a unit called Henrys. Anyway, I am writing for a reason. You see, God Speed You etc has caught my eye recently and I'm looking for someone to compare it to something so I will rush out to my local record store and buy it. I've got too many CD's so I've decided to cut down (it was not being able to buy Britney Spears' single that hurt the most, such a haunting lyricist ;-) ). In other words is it worth spending £15 on it if I've already got Mogwai. Belle and Sebastian are being classed with the Smiths aain are they? Sorry, but I must totally disagree with that, every time I here Morrissey Iget depresses but every time i hear Lazy Line Painter Jane I get dancing. The band aren't classifiable, they're just brilliant And The Doors aren't depressing - look at Who Do You Love, Break On Through,Light My Fire, Touch Me,.... Oliver +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From eculb at xxx.uk Sat May 8 21:03:06 1999 From: eculb at xxx.uk (JaMeS) Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 21:03:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: waffle on a saturday in 1999 Message-ID: hi all, so its saturday night, baby, SATURDAY NIGHT! ..And im almost in tears!...oh my god, panic panic PANIC at my econometrics and statistical economics assignment, lying in front of me, oozing pure evil like a wreathing seething snake, venom dripping oh so slowly from its jaws of death, just hanging there in a final statement of intent, that you, yes YOU, shall PAY dearly for your weeks of sloth and idleness. pants. ..sorry for that, im just rather tense at the mo', i hate stress of all kinds. i hate that throbbing feeling in your head you get when you finally realise just exactly how deep you are in the quagmire of hell.... B&S content: OOooh, can we order Tigermilk quite cheaply then? i could look in jeepster shop but cant be bothered. and i wanna get une waves gentile t-shirt too if and when they go on-line, cos i only bought one at the gig and i cant wear it as isobel scribbled on it...oh, and on the NME site theres a piccie of Stuart looking rather mad with excitement,from bowlie i think. did anyone read that article in the Times on Bowlie a while back? the author liked the festival and most of the bands, but at the end said B&S werent much cop and if another bowlie is arranged they should stick to organising it! Cheek!!! silly man. how anyone can not see the beauty of their music is beyond me. oh that reminds me, does anyone know how far down the old pipeline the idea of Bowlie MKII is? Cos i soooo wanna go and make up for missing the last one...David and Katrina should go bully stu about it or something, though B&S are all taking a (well earned) break right now, arent they? its certainly been an eventful past few months. what'll they do in this little break i wonder? stu scrubbing the floors of the church hall, complete with soapy suds and marigold gloves? aw, i bet he'd look really sweet. and what about sarah? she must feel a bit left out cos shes not in the gentle waves or looper. i dont know. maybe she can start her own fiddle band or something, call it the gloopy waves or something... i was listening to the Black session earlier (thank you, lovely nick), the Wrong Girl ('la femme faux') has belatedly grown on me, stevie singin in that croonsome way of his has finally won me round,wasnt it that or Paper Boat on the next EP? cos i still dont like paper boat... oh well, ive long since given up work for the day, wish me good luck with it, im off to enjoy the gentle rhythms of....DANCE NATION SIX!!!!!!!!!! BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM dum dum dum dum dumd dum dum BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM JaMeS :) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Hall/7789 -'one boys mess' my current favourite bit of a B&S song- '...the bit where the drums, guitar and strings all meet up midway through 'the boy done wrong again'' +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Sat May 8 21:39:55 1999 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 16:39:55 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Subject Message-ID: <199905081640_MC2-74FC-FFD0@compuserve.com> Hi Cack-Handed Ones, Can't think of much to say today (1057 huzzahs!!) Signor Casarotto: who was the charming young lady for whom I took Belle & S photies at The Bowlie? Did they come out OK? (Suspect not, because of the ban on flashing :(( ) If they did though, could I get some copies? Stretching B&Sness very thin: Mercury Rev have been all over the UK media like a rash recently, even this morning cropping up playing 2 acoustic songs on Ned Sherrin's Loose Ends programme on Radio 4. Love & Happiness to all, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From DavidJ2502 at xxx.com Sat May 8 22:48:41 1999 From: DavidJ2502 at xxx.com (DavidJ2502 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 17:48:41 EDT Subject: Sinister: Stuart Staples meets Stuart Braithwaite shocker Message-ID: Hello, I Just had to drop a line about Oliver (hello Oliver) and his dilemma about whether the Godspeed You Black Emperor! album is putting £15 to good use. In a vastly inadequate word: yes. I bought F#A#(no infinity sign on my keyboard- help) about a month ago and it hasn't been out of my Walkman since; the previous champion B&S compilation is now de-throned. I hate to do one of those lazy pop journalism imagine-the-Cramps-in-a-room-with-the-Stooges-playing-the-Pastels-on-acid similies but I just can't help thinking of The Tindersticks as well as the more obvious Post-Rock connections, but that's probably just the strings innit? Mind you, paying ten quid for the new ep is a bit much. Sad muso fact: My local Our Price files Godspeed You Black Emperor! under K for Kranky (their record lable) 'because it says that on the side of the CD case {grins with smug self satisfaction endearing himself to no-one} Going off at a tangent a bit, you can call me paranoid if you like but I stood next to a bloke who looked just like Mick Derrick from Prolapse at the Fall's gig in Birmingham last week. He lives in Leicester doesn't he? Just a hop, skip and two jumps from England's most drab town. My brother said it was someone else, but I think he saw my brother's Prolapse T-shirt and decided to get some much deserved adulation. Alternative theory- Stars in their Eyes contestant (doing Pull Thru' Barker next week) tries to take credit for other people's work. Just a thought. Before I go, does anyone know where exactly in Birmingham Lawrence from Felt is from? I was thinking, if I could get an open-top bus I'd do guided tours like they did with Manchester and The Smiths. But seriously, it would be cool to see where he was brought up... in a non-stalker kind of a way. See you, David J. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From eppie at xxx.ie Sun May 9 13:19:40 1999 From: eppie at xxx.ie (Martin Connelly) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 13:19:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Stuart Murdoch : the Beast Within Message-ID: <001101be9a16$374e7800$b0947dc2@oemcomputer> Re. the Dublin practical woodwork demonstration, Finn's comment gets it about right I think: >. And the sound was absolutely marvellous. Sorry now that I didn't make a video of it. We weren't searched going into the circle, there was an uninterrupted view and there were no drug crazed kids taunting Struan anywhere near me :). If the SM/IC rows look likely to continue, wouldn't it be good if SM set up his own version of Gentle Waves,substituting Sarah Martin and the Paper Boat version of Stuart D for Isobel. And maybe even guest appearances by Mrs Murdoch (or did she sign to Sleeka Sounds?), who would ensure he was on best behaviour. The performance of "Stuart Murdoch - the Beast Within" might also require a re-examination of of the lyrics. For example, "There was blood on the sheets again" might refer to yet another major belt up with the band and hotel staff. And what about kicking the crutches from a crippled friend. Definitely not a man to be messed with. Martin C (just one day older than David Moore) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Sun May 9 14:51:15 1999 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (V0168JE2) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 14:51:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: moaning / interactivity / cute game Message-ID: <199905091344.OAA32413@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> Sunday. 2.35 pm. A little advice for all of you who are thinking of going to a shitty uni quite far from home: Don't bother. At the weekends everyone else gets the train or bus back to their houses, 10 miles away, leaving you alone in the empty halls of residence. Probably. Yeah, I don't suppose I have that much to moan about either come to think of it, but then... sorry, there is no then, I'm just a useless waster who can't get himself together. Curse you god for making me quote daytime comedy. On friday afternoon I lacked distractions as usual so I set up an experemental interactive film script at http://members.tripod.co.uk/maleslut/ which some of you might like to check out if you are bored at work or at home for that matter, it being a sunday and all (what the hell am I doing in this IT centre then? what an interesting life I lead.) I'm not saying it's very good but it is a start and I'd like to expand it - maybe some of you might like to join in - yeah? no? hmmmn? Oh, and here's a cute game someone forwarded to me. Have a go. Here is an example of the rubbish to come out of Leeds: Two pm. Restate my assumptions. 1.) The world can only be completely undestood through numbers. 2) These munbers always give rise to patterns. These patterns are everywhere in nature, from the cycles of the stock market to the ordering of your own DNA. 3) If you can map and understand these patterns you can map and understand nature. And so , after much research and analysis of these patterns, I have deduced that this code-meaning game offers us the only possinble actual objectiveand rational truth about existence. Write your answers down on a piece of paper................ 1. Name of a person of the opposite sex (or the same sex if you're gay) 2. Favorite color out of red, black, blue, green, and red 3. First initial 4. Birth month 5. Do you like white or black better? 6. Person of the same sex (or opposite sex if you're gay) 7. Favorite number 8. Do you like California or Florida better? 9. Do you like the ocean or the lake better? 10. Make a realistic wish (not some stupid thing that you KNOW won't happen!) S >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> 1 A >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> 2 T >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> 3 A >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> 4 N >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> 5 S >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> 6 A >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> 7 T >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> 8 A >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> 9 N >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>10 X >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> keep going............ S >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>go A >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> go T >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> go A >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> go N >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> go S >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> go A >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> go T >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> go A >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> go N >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> go BELIEVE AND OBEY!! Here is the code to your answers! 1) is the name of the person who is right now secretly conspiring to murder you. You must kill them before they destroy you. OBEY. 2) if you chose: green - You live in A WORLD OF PAIN. red - you oppose capitalist societies, and would like to see government for the people. black - You oppose heirachy of all forms and look upon the 'reds' (above) as simpering idealists. AND YOU ARE RIGHT TO DO SO. blue - Oh dear. I'd stay away from Mr. Black and Mr. Red, if I were you... yellow -You like to make out. .....Not the most profound truth about the nature of existence, that, but never mind. orange - there was no orange. You are a cheat. 3) if your initial is: A-K :you have no love in your life. You are a sick and lonely broken man. Or woman. L-R : You will be dead in a week. Kill all the people who hate you and indulge in dangerous hedonistic practices. S-Z :you like to cut up animals you find when you go walking by the motorway. Then you keep them in jars. Now everybody knows. (points) ha ha. 4) if you were born in : JAN. Then you are an Aquarius. Go read a horoscope you superstitious buffoon. Oh, and your lucky internal decorating concept this week is paisley. Have a nice day. APRIL-JULY :your love life will start booming soon and whatever happens will last for a long time. Like a slow, painful death. AUG.-SEPT :you will have a pretty good year and you will develop a crush on one of your really good friends soon Your unrequited love will drive you to alcoholism and finacial ruin before a final drug fuelled nosedive into faliure and sucicde in your early thirties. OCT.-DECEMBER : Your love must die. 5) if you chose: Black - You are pretty fly for a white guy. White -you will soon develop a crush of your own and have a good year. Or you are possibly also a member of an extreme right movemnt of some sort. 6) this person is now conspiring to kill you. Haven't you killed them yet? Go on, don't just sit there... 7) this number is the ultimate truth, the number of God. A religious sect will kidnap you for it at some point in your future. 8) if you chose: Florida - You are unwell. Seriously, seriously, unwell. Or maybe you just wanna live somewhere where the governent has the official legal right to kill you if it wants. California -you listen to too many NOFX records. WELL DONE. 9) if you chose: Ocean - You are very foolish, for having read this far down. Lake -You are scared of the world. And rightly so. 10) Your wish will probably not come true, no matter how many people you send this to. But forward it anyway, cos I made it instead of writing an essay on George Orwell, and now I've finsihed, the slow dawn of regret is crawling across my mind. Blimey, that was poetic, wasn't it? Never Have fun! >> >> >> (It makes your palms hairy.) - Gavin. Leading you to the end of the evil garden fingers crossed I won't be dismembered for this, weejay xxxxxxx Blue Glow is now at http://diskant.future.easyspace.com/blueglow/ (This network is as sick as a dog. If you can't get through try maleslut at chickmail.com instead) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From melissa.thornton at xxx.ca Sun May 9 16:30:14 1999 From: melissa.thornton at xxx.ca (MelissaThornton) Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 11:30:14 -0400 Subject: Sinister: wellohwelloohwell Message-ID: <3735AA06.74BFD683@utoronto.ca> i went to the delagados last night, and i managed to take pictures AND tape it AND steal one of the set lists.... i didn't even bother to look at the list until a little later on in the evening...instead of writing 'the weaker argument defeats the stronger' they had written: 'the weaker fanny cannae fart'...NAUGHTY NAUGHTY... who else thinks that i shoud take the band over my knee and give them a good spanking? yours etc. emily. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elu488 at xxx.uk Sun May 9 16:33:44 1999 From: elu488 at xxx.uk (Suave & Elegant) Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 16:33:44 +0100 Subject: Sinister:Starved of mirth? Aren't we all ... Message-ID: <3735AAD7.CADC5D6C@bangor.ac.uk> Ah, finally I can emerge from the nursery and actually feel like a part of this list, almost like I'm being accepted into the family. How beautiful. If I'd actually made it to Bowlie, thought of something really interesting to say or peppered this message with witticisms then maybe tomorrow I'd be some kind of universally-adored folk hero as opposed to a seedy ne'er-do-well. Anyway, I just read something relating to bad university experiences, and as the rain falls hard on humdrum Bangor I can say I truly empathise. I came here from Manchester in September only to find that every boozer shuts at 12a.m. and that the place is full of rugby player types keen on dishing out abuse. Still, imagine my surprise when I attended our weekly 'indie' night (Beastie Boys and FLC anyone? Me neither) and saw a lad in a 'Study at Stow' T-shirt! YES! I wasn't wearing a B&S shirt that night, so I think I scared him a little when my friend David and I approached to congratulate him. However, it's lovely to know that there are folk that appreciate similar delights, even in a far-flung corner of Gogledd Cymru. So, even at the dullest university I found people with something in common. It's just a shame that B&S themselves don't want to brighten up this stale valley ... -- ------------ Ciarán Lynch elu488 at bangor.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elu488 at xxx.uk Sun May 9 16:51:53 1999 From: elu488 at xxx.uk (Suave & Elegant) Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 16:51:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister:Smothered in pathos, just as you like it Message-ID: <3735AF19.2676ADA7@bangor.ac.uk> I apologise if any of you have done this already, but I've just had an interesting thought. Get your copies of '...Sinister', '...Arab Strap' and '...Modern Rock Song', shuffle them about (optional, but still ... erm ...fun) and then arrange them all on the floor face up, next to each other. Play about with the order and soon you too could laugh as much as I did. Traffic lights! This was all planned, you know. I think there's a covert road safety theme in B&S lyrics, but I'm not sure. I have also noticed that the particular shades used on B&S records are i-chuffin'-dentical to those used by several British bus companies before Stagecoach came and robbed us of the classic orange Manchester bus (better than those offensive red London monstrosities if you ask me). I think there's a book in here. You may be reading the witterings of the next Johnny Rogan here. Either that or I've taken things TOO far now. If there's anyone else out there who took the time to do something as sad as I described above, please let me know. I really want to feel justified. And on that note .... -- ------------ Ciarán Lynch elu488 at bangor.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Romain_Lheritier at xxx.com Sun May 9 19:04:33 1999 From: Romain_Lheritier at xxx.com (Romain_Lheritier at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 19:04:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Poupee de cire, poupee de son Message-ID: <8525676C.00630EE2.00@ams-central-gate-5a.amsinc.com> Hello funny people, My name is Romain and I have moved to London 3 months ago (I am European). Last Friday, I went to the Poetry Cafe and met nice people there (including Hefner members). I was sauced and talked with everybody.ooops. Didn't see any ego masturbation there though. What a disappointment! hefneeeeeeeeurhhhh (that's for stevie) I don't have much to say in this first-email-ritual. I am going to ask for something instead: Does anyone know Stephanie Marie Allen? She used to be a penfriend a few years ago. She is Swedish/American. She married a guy and disappeared two years ago. Since she is pop(ular) and this list is big, someone may know who I am talking about! If yes, please send me an e-mail :) And if you like photography, you may find this site interesting: http://wwwinfo.cern.ch/~lherit Yes, it's mine :) gimme feedback... Regards, Romain, the unpronouncable. "I'd like to be Superman but you're standing on my cape" Lou Barlow. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From k.watson at xxx.uk Sun May 9 19:29:32 1999 From: k.watson at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 19:29:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Long time no see! Message-ID: <000701be9a49$e2910ec0$03000004@quartz> Alright you lot, haven't seen you for ages. People have been asking about the bowlie thing, and it really depends on one fact : Were you there? If you were then read answer (b), if not read answer (a). (a) It was pretty dull really, weather was overcast, people boring, bands OK you know, probably not worth the 85 quid or so. (b) Yes it was bloody great, couldn't have believed that the whole thing turned out so well, fantastic stuff. It just shows you what can be done. I can't say I agree with people who are quoted with the liked of "this is just utter tweeness" or whatever, whatever that actually means really, I didn't see a load of people around pretending to be cutesy. Isaac Hayes didn't turn up and neither did the WHO. More's the pity. I was hoping it was going to be one of them that was the secret act. Never mind, it was Mogwai, who I'm sure were great. Chris Leonard and I didn't actually go and see any bands on the Saturday. Saw almost everyone who's been involved in clubs and stuff over the years from Edinburgh there, we'd been surmising the week previous about how it'd just be like the whole of central scotland moved down south for the weekend, and in some ways it was. Great to meet all the people that I did, brilliant to see Tim, Andy, Mike, Pam, Trous, oh dear, I'd better stop really, this is going to be a great big long list otherwise. We were in SURF CITY - which RULED. Although naturally HERO ZONE did seem like the best place to be. Where were you at bowlie? Was it (a) Hero Zone (b) Surf City (c) TreeTops (d) Savannah Land (e) Pirouhette Park They're in order of coolness starting from the top and getting less cool as you head towards (e). Oh bloody hell, it's raining and I'm supposed to be off to the pub quiz in a few minutes. Never mind. Take care, Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From robhalcrow at lineone.net Sun May 9 19:45:58 1999 From: robhalcrow at lineone.net (robhalcrow at lineone.net) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 19:45:58 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Stephen Dalton, you're just being silly... Message-ID: <199905091845.TAA28917@boober.lineone.net> Hello Sinsiterines everywhere. Did you see Stephen Dalton's hilarious NME Bowlie thing where he said the bands embodied "the whitest, wettest, most sexless and soulless trends in guitar music"? OK, maybe he doesn't like "wet" music, whatever that is. "Sexless"? Don't really get that. Isn't intelligence sexy in a way? "Soulless"? I find more soul in B&S and The Delgados than in the vocal histrionics of Whitney Houston, for instance. But the worst criticism was "whitest". Are white people not allowed to sound white? Should they try and sound black? (Like Ronan Keating?) Jamaican? African-American? Chinese? And should black people try and sound white? I'm confused but I suspect Mr Dalton is just being silly. On the subject of emotional response to music I find ""The Boy Done Wrong Again" one of the most affecting in terms of lyrics. Stuart just sounds as if he's had enough. (I also think the 'wrong' notes enhance the song, to refer to an older topic. Isn't that one of the charms of lo-fi music? the imperfections? the ramshackle nature of the music?) (Isn't "ramshackle" a brilliant word?) More often it is the music itself that gets me, such as the instrumental into last verse of "Get Me Away..." where it seems to take off. It's all subjective though, isn't it? I was near the front of the Mogwai set at Bowlie and found the wordless "..Helicon" incredibly moving, especially when they got very loud and the lights strobed etc. A couple of days later I read Stephen Eastwood (B&S type at C4's Planet Sound) dismiss the set as "slo-mo metal guff". Hmmm...(to be said in a Marge Simpson voice, with a furrowed brow if possible). I'm with Katrina (not literally, obviously. I'm on my own): the best bands at Bowlie were B&S and Mogwai. I've got a sore throat now and I'm playing a gig next Sunday. I need Locketts. And sympathy. *cough* *splutter* *generally offensive guttural noises* Love Rob "on Saturday I was an angel shining fair..." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From popjourno at xxx.nl Mon May 10 00:36:36 1999 From: popjourno at xxx.nl (alex tobin) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:36:36 +0200 Subject: Sinister: going dutch Message-ID: <37361C04.718D612A@tobin.demon.nl> Warning! There's no direct B&S content here... Just another call for anybody in Holland to get in touch with me for our own little picnic or gathering. Summer's around the corner (we hope!), and it would be nice if we could plan something in the future. 'Hi' to anyone that still knows who I am. I've been gone from the list for yonks, but I'm still around, so feel free to drop me a line. Also, with Honey's permission granted, I just would like to say that I've started a little list of my own around these parts. Not so much competition, but a wider focus. Anyone interested in music in general, film, literature, modern and design arts, travel, and things like this, please check out my page at http://www.popjourno.com for more info. We;re still tiny compared to sinister - 9 and counting! - and it would be nice to have more people in to let the opinions and stories fly... Cheers (and cheers Paul - I'm with Esosoft now!), Alex the bloke in Holland +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Mon May 10 06:53:25 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 06:53:25 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Some search engine nonsense... Message-ID: <37367455.AECB720B@student.paisley.ac.uk> I have an essay to write and have been up all night trying to finish it, and when taking a wee break, I decided to stick the words "belle and sebastian" into Altavista, then tried again with "stuart murdoch". Came up with a couple of nice things, so if you want to be similarly entertained, point your mouse this-a-way, to save you all traipsing through all the nonsense like CVs from Australian photographic students. http://website.lineone.net/~sroylewis/index.html This is the coolest, it has clips and theme tunes for kids shows, including Belle and Sebastian :) http://incolor.inetnebr.com/morehead/album_reviews/belle_and_sebastian/if_youre_feeling_sinister.html This one refers to the lyrical insight that has recently been discussed here at some length (mostly by me), even though the author does confuse Stuarts David and Murdoch. Quite a good read, I think. Maybe the person who wrote this is actually on Sinister? http://www.magnetmagazine.com/photos/phbelle.html A very lovely photo of Struan. http://www.geocities.com/~jnovotny/concerts/bellelive2.html Describes them as a "low-quality Sonic Youth". www.irish-times.com/irish-times/paper/1999/0219/fea3.html Claims that Belle and Sebastian the TV show doesn't exist. Don't appear to have heard of Mick Cooke (this was an article penned after the Brits). Bizarrely suggests that Brian Molko should start listening to the Go-Betweens to become more like B&S. All very odd, this one. One for Mark, our resident Wimbledon fan. Why have you never told us that Struan is actually the goalkeeping coach for the Wombles? See http://www.netti.fi/~wombles/dons.htm for proof. Nice to know that Scotland keeper Neil Sullivan is being coached by such a fine footballing superstar :) http://www.desert.net/ww/11-23-98/nash_music-records2.html This is a cracker. Struan sings like he's chopping onions, and Dirty Dream#2 sounds like "Motown reinvented by a depressed Lulu" apparently. I was also intrigued to find out that Mick Cooke is the manager of the Eire Ladies under-16 football team, whilst also forming the Hastings sub-aqua club (was that the reason for the location of Bowlie? So he could go and check up on his proteges just down the road?). Richard Colburn is a state senator in Maryland, Chris Geddes is a big cheese in Canadian volleyball circles, Sarah Martin runs a stud farm in Co Meath, Stuart David has written a book called "How to become a professional calligrapher (a pentalic book)" and Isobel Campbell is the chairperson of the South Harris agricultural association, organising fine sheep-shearing competitions by all accounts (well according to the Stornoway Gazette) But most revealing is the admission by one Geraldine Halliwell that the things she likes most in the world are Abba, Elvis and Stevie Jackson... http://degrees.simplenet.com/spice100/geri.html if you don't believe me. The web is a wonderful way of making sure you don't do any work :) Sorry for not having anything interesting of my own to say, Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Mon May 10 07:01:43 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 07:01:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Oops Message-ID: <37367647.FCF75607@student.paisley.ac.uk> I just said: http://www.geocities.com/~jnovotny/concerts/bellelive2.html Describes them as a "low-quality Sonic Youth" which is pants, as it actually describes the support band as a low-quality Sonic Youth. I am a fool and I'm going to go to my bed now. Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From richard.connell at xxx.com Mon May 10 10:52:58 1999 From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:52:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: Wanking ned In-Reply-To: <199905091845.TAA28917@boober.lineone.net> Message-ID: <8358520910051999/A02817/ADVAX1/11D552743200*@MHS> Hello Kittys, I never thought id mail to this list again and would be lurking for the rest of my list-life but here i am again to fill your inbox with confused ramblings. I may be a fuckwit (may?) but what is a ned? I know its scottish, i know its insulting, i infer it is about what english people call townies but id like a confirmation. Please. Someone mentioned the omnipotence of mercury rev recently and their appearance on radio 2. Did anyone see them getting gunged in the historic last episode of noels house party? Jonothan's idiotic grin as the custard splattered, Grasshopper attacking mr blobby with his bowed saw, unforgettable. Someone else mentioned Stephen Dalton's comments on bowlie (sorry theres no 'angela tweecardie said' and quotes from the post but im a lazy lazy man). The simple answer is that stephen dalton is a journalist and therefore intrinsicly wrong in every way. A more complicated answer is beyond my mere mortal powers. There's been a big discussion on music, how it makes you feel in terms of lyrics, tunes emotions etc. I believe you shouldnt analyse this sort of thing too much and unfortunately cant explain my views any more as i would be breaking my own rule. Well, maybe i will say it just seems pointlessto over-analyse the emotional in the same way the being over-emotional about analytical things like maths and numbers is equally futile. 'I'll only read a book for the way it looks, then i'll put it on the shelf again' said some fey scots bastard. Irelevant, but it sounds good. I often like lyrics but have no idea what they mean, and frankly i dont want to. In Slow Grafitti, after the bit about the painting i have no idea what the song means but the words just sound good together and illicit an emotional response. Damn, i've said too much, broken my own rule. Forget what you've heard, i wasnt here right! If you can watch divorcing jack, spanish prisoner, zero effect and listen to stina nordenstam, deus and stereolab. Not a recommendation, an order! i grow tired of you, please leave me to rest, Say it loud, I'm crap and i'm proud, Rich 'Im dying for a drink' - Ollie Reed +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rachel at xxx.uk Mon May 10 10:22:03 1999 From: rachel at xxx.uk (rachel tucker) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:22:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: got the relegation blues Message-ID: <000101be9ac6$92bfd480$f718883e@pre-installedco> hey everyone, i'm tres miserable today :( so obviously i want to inflict my depression on all you lovely people. why am i miserable? i hear you cry (or not, as the case may be). well, yesterday the inevitable finally happened. the mighty oxford united were relegated back to divison two, though we did go in style (5-0! wahey!). and then i got disgustingly drunk to drown my sorrows/celebrate - the lower leagues are more fun anyway, weekend trips to bournemouth and blackpool, no horrible rich clubs flaunting their money and stealing your best players, etc. (honestly, i'm not clutching at straws!) - so having wasted sunday evening i'm now attempting to write an essay before 1o'clock on whether the family is universal or not with a hangover. a rather nasty one. it's not fair. but soon i'll have tigermilk. well, in just over 2 months. and i will be able to listen to i don't love anymore without the sound of tape being chewed or having to leap to the rescue as soon as mary jo starts to falter, or have an odd swooshing surround sound effect all the way through as my poor old copy of a copy of a copy is stretched beyond all recognition. ooh, i'm so excited! has anyone else seen/seeing prolapse on their current tour? if you get the chance GO! i saw them on saturday and they were mind blowingly fantastic. and very very loud. is the new album out yet? is it any good? i want it! but i am truly skint. i have £7.27 to last till the end of the month so any donations would be gratefully received... anyway, i have delayed my essay for another half hour now, so maybe i should go and write something. less than 3 hours to go.... lots of love, rachel xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Mon May 10 10:20:10 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 02:20:10 PDT Subject: Sinister: Wanking ned Message-ID: <19990510092010.32873.qmail@hotmail.com> Richard Connell wrote: >If you can watch divorcing jack, spanish prisoner, zero effect and >listen to stina nordenstam, deus and stereolab. Not a recommendation, >an order! Well I'm listening to dEus quite often. And Stina nordenstam! I thought I was the only one in the whole of Europe who liked her music. Not a chartbreaker, her. Anyone else into her? been trying to get some of her singles, but it seems impossible to order them from anywhere. Not that good music to listen to when the sun is shining, though. Perfect while sitting at home while its raining and the thunder is roaring outside. Very relaxing the old stuff. New stuff is so claustrophobic it's almost scary. And I'm just waiting to get my new "Study At Stow"-shirt through mail. The old one looks horrible now because of my sweating (see my previous post). And I ordered all the 9 badges too, although I already have 3 of them. And mind you, I dont have the money. Well i have, but I COULD spend it on food and such. But that's what sinisterism does to you. -jake. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kissingdom at xxx.net Mon May 10 11:22:39 1999 From: kissingdom at xxx.net (Tony) Date: 10 May 99 11:22:39 BST Subject: Sinister: Harvey Message-ID: <19990510102239.8584.qmail@nwcst021.netaddress.usa.net> Not the Pooka and friend of Mr Dowd but the son of Mr and Mrs Williams. He made me think of Randy Newman, Plush, and maybe a touch Jimmy Webb. His voice was a little hushed but he performed some great songs for those patient enough to listen. A number of Bowlie T-Shirts were also present but we were half-way through the second bottle of champagne at that point I was incapable of anything other than a wave and a smile. Ant @ The Poetry Cafe on Friday was magical, definately worth catching if you can get the chance. I believe his single comes out today though having already heard it I prefer the B-side. Thanks to Trousers for the tip. On a sadder note (in both senses of the word) my wristband finally lost the war of attrition with my rough and tumble lifestyle and broke away from my wrist - so no biscuit cardigan for me :-( I was shocked at my friends suggestions to cheat and use sellotape to maintain it. Made me think of all those people who'd resort to ever more devious methods to win at conkers when I was a bairn. Tony ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Mon May 10 13:14:07 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:14:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: study leave Message-ID: Sinisterines, Today started off so well, the sun was shining, and I walked along roads jammed with cars, the angry people inside sweating and pulling at their collars. I felt smug. I felt happy. But now the drizzle has set in outside my window, and I wanted to play mAKE UP, but the builder is in....and I fear, being a bit of a melody fm man himself, it wouldn't quite be his cup of tea. I'm avoiding him. He scares me. He has a beard. On the lyric analyising thread, I think alot of the time, the lyrics stand for what they mean to you personally, the way you interpret them rather than their actual meaning or intention. I was convinced 'Mis-shapes' by Pulp was a song about suicide because of the line "we'll use the one thing we've got more of, thats our minds", which I thought was "that's our LIVES" as if they would all kill themselves as a big dramatic statement, which somehow made the song seem more serious. but it's altogether morbid.. and my cd player won't play sinister! grrr. It will play any of my old rubbish, even at their most scratched, but sinister, no. I found a libary book stamped Sept. 97 in my room last night, then dreamed I I had fines of 2 billion knicker and would be forced to work in Hertford Library with the grannies and well presented young ladies with their pearls for the rest of my life. Working in a library wouldn't seem so bad if it wasn't so quiet....imagine if you farted. Could you *ever* live it down? Oh! the sun has just come out...rain AND sunshine...I'm going to have a look for a rainbow. This would have more belle and sebastian content. It really would. If it could. Erica x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.net Mon May 10 14:09:36 1999 From: honey at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:09:36 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: B&S (fwd) Message-ID: This in my inbox this morning from a friend down the corridor. He knows not of the land of Sinister, or at least hasn't dwelled in its sunlight-dappled woods and murky underground bogs, but it seems infections just keep spreading. A competition then: youngest fan. Must be able to speak and/or write so it's demonstrably true. I reckon Steve's little Catherine's going to win it, but prove me wrong. More photos have gone up on the WWW site from Bowlie and the Primrose picnic: thanks Vicky, Tom etc. Catching up catching up, please anyone who's waiting for mail wait sweetly. You're all very good and I'm slooooooow. honey xxx ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Paul, Haven't seen you for a while. Hope you are doing ok. I misplaced the B&S album but found it again at the weekend. It just gets better everytime I listen to it. Gill thinks its brilliant too. Even Catherine likes it. We were eating dinner together while B&S were playing and she said "You know dad, I think Belle&Sebastian are great". Does she count as their youngest fan at aged 6 :-) Steve -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Mon May 10 20:08:54 1999 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E Hamilton) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:08:54 -0400 Subject: Sinister: I'm leaving home, bye bye.... Message-ID: <002f01be9b18$94663840$56b690cf@woody> My fluffs, my gents, my lasses.... As I try to understand how indeed to express the immense joy flowing through my veins concerning my departure for London, (which are blue veins, by the way) I am remarking on why this room is so hot and coincidentally my feet are so chilly. Bizarre. I just spoke with my friend's mum who informed me that we are staying at a 'hotel' somewhere in South Kensington. It begins with a G and it's a bit long. Anyone know where this is? Well if anyone has any tasty info about this area, places to go, things to see, you know, yes well. I am still jealous about Bowlie. I understand jealousy is a relatively fruitless sin/vice, but alas, I cannot help myself. To see my brother's eyes light up when i tell him, "Jarvis was there, we could have spoken with him!". Oh the horrors, the destitution. All we have over here is Woodstock 99 (bleh!!). What a sh*tty assortment of "popular" bands. Though there are rumors of my boys The Who playing, however I'm afraid an appearance by them would only lower their credibility a little more. Soon they'd be whispered in the same sentence as CSN&Y, and we wouldn't want that, would we? I also am going to be in Paris (a trip, yes it surely is) on Friday and Saturday evening. Besides Funky Seb, I've had nobody out there wishing to meet up, so here's to you French birds to pick up the slack! Well Seb and I will have a jolly good time in spite of you dissenting sinisters! Boo and hiss, Bye with a kiss, Wrapped up in style, I'll stick with this smile.... love, blake +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samiamx at xxx.com Mon May 10 21:53:54 1999 From: samiamx at xxx.com (Sam Devere) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:53:54 PDT Subject: Sinister: Chicago - With her hair a shining shade of bus-conductress blonde... Message-ID: <19990510205354.21393.qmail@hotmail.com> Dearest Poptarts - I'm heading to Chicago Sunday through Thursday. What are the names of the musical venues of interest? I checked out Centerstage.com but there was way too much junk in there. Previously, I mentioned that a local DC rave event was shutdown due to ecstacy abuses. Well, during this whole sordid affair, city officials discovered ecstacy is LEGAL in DC due to a typographical error in the city's books. So it's been legal every since city officials thought they banned it -- typical DC government theatrics. I wonder what else is legal... On a B&S related note, over the weekend I heard Looper's 'Treehouse' used for an ESPN extreme ad... Sammy NP: 'Carolyn's Fingers' by Cocteau Twins _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samiamx at xxx.com Mon May 10 21:55:23 1999 From: samiamx at xxx.com (Sam Devere) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:55:23 PDT Subject: Sinister: Chicago - With her hair a shining shade of bus-conductress blonde... Message-ID: <19990510205527.83538.qmail@hotmail.com> Dearest Poptarts - I'm heading to Chicago Sunday through Thursday. What are the names of the musical venues of interest? I checked out Centerstage.com but there was way too much junk in there. Previously, I mentioned that a local DC rave event was shutdown due to ecstacy abuses. Well, during this whole sordid affair, city officials discovered ecstacy is LEGAL in DC due to a typographical error in the city's books. So it's been legal every since city officials thought they banned it -- typical DC government theatrics. I wonder what else is legal... On a B&S related note, over the weekend I heard Looper's 'Treehouse' used for an ESPN extreme ad... Sammy NP: 'Carolyn's Fingers' by Cocteau Twins _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From painbirds at xxx.com Tue May 11 00:04:47 1999 From: painbirds at xxx.com (Craig-Lee Thompson) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:04:47 PDT Subject: Sinister: Melbourne B&S picnic... Message-ID: <19990510230448.39577.qmail@hotmail.com> As is known, the picnic is on and here are the remaining details... Chris and I shall arrive at approx 9.00pm in order to secure a table by the front windows of the wonderful establishment that is the Nighcat. We are still working on exactly how we shall be recognised, however rest assured, there shall be some form of signification. Upon passing by the Nightcat last saturday, there was around a 10min wait to enter, so do not be alarmed if this is the case. If the band is playing a set when you arrive I may well be on the dance floor, but what the hey, all will work out i'm sure... Any more enq. just e-mail and if not I'll catch you there... Craig.T. P.s: still going to Supermarket, just not sure what time, guess it will depend on the Nighcat, it does shut at 1.00am so we wont be that late to Supermarket... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Essexdog5 at xxx.com Tue May 11 00:27:10 1999 From: Essexdog5 at xxx.com (Essexdog5 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:27:10 EDT Subject: Sinister: Re: Stephen Dalton, You're Just Being Silly Message-ID: <2588843c.2468c54e@aol.com> Hello all, I've been lurking since this list was but wee, and my attempts at (drunken) posts have been disastrous. So I thought I'd try again. After getting back from the pub.... hey-ho. Ahem. Anyway, to the point, Rob wrote: "Stephen Eastwood (B&S type at C4's Planet Sound) dismissed the set as 'slo-mo metal guff'" Guity as charged. Sort of. I can't quite recall what went up on air after the copy was savagely (as opposed to mimsily, or even daintily) butchered, but here's what I originally scrawled: "On Saturday, the second stage hosted an act billed as "mystery guests" - and it was Mogwai, surely the worst-kept secret since "Mercury Rev are a large heap of festering Procul Harum B-sides in concert". The Gwai's slo-mo metal avant-garde emo-rock guff drew a huge crowd, mostly comprising shouty Scots blokes. We don't like people in bad tracksuits and cowboy hats, so we went to see Jon Spencer instead. Naturally, he rocked". (going to see JSBX was a lie, by the by). Oddly enough, myself and FunkySeb (who did an ad campaign today wearing my Stow tee-shirt for pamphlets which shall be distributed to every student campus in the land - yay!) have had huge arguments vis-a-viz Mogwai being any cop or not, most of which seem to end with me saying: "Aaaaah, but I remember Slowdive / My Bloody Valentine / Spacemen 3 / (insert name of suitably minimalist/brutalist composer here)!", to wit he replies: "Aaaa, but you're just OLD!!". Gah. I'd have got away with it too, if it weren't for you pesky kids. Stephen. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From l.kerr at xxx.uk Tue May 11 13:07:31 1999 From: l.kerr at xxx.uk (Linda Kerr) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:07:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Quick one Message-ID: <199905111207.NAA28508@punt1.hw.ac.uk> Hi chaps Just a quick note (the last mention of Bowlie??) to see how much I enjoyed it, and how great it was to be in the third most fashionable address in Tree Tops. And good to meet so many nice people, most of whom I didn't talk to. Someone mentioned Stina Nordenstein...Honey always has a hankering to set up a Stina list - but only feared that it was somewhat of a minority interest. And she's a bit depressing at times. What was that weird song she covered recently? Faith, or something? Nickie D said: >Look, I'm not sure I like this Sinister slut label anymore. I am now intrigued why ND may or may not be a slut. I had supposed that the insult was the result of idle jealousy on the part of those less asthetically favoured, but now..all answers will be treated in confidence. Finally, welcome to all the new people, you all get released at once, don't you? Linda PS Thanks to Brian for the photo taken in Rye, even if it was taken by accident.. EEVL Services Officer L.Kerr at hw.ac.uk ******************************************************************** Heriot-Watt University Library, Edinburgh EH14 4AS UK Tel : +44 (0)131 451 3572 Fax: +44 (0)131 451 3164 Visit the Engineering Virtual Library http://www.eevl.ac.uk/ or join the discussion list http://www.mailbase.ac.uk/lists/eevl/ ********************************************************************* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah at xxx.uk Tue May 11 14:19:16 1999 From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:19:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: you cheap sleazy ho! Message-ID: Hey you Sinister Kru of cheap sleazy ho's! You can't keep yo' man at home! You need to get wit da program! I've been watching Jerry Springer. It was brilliant. There were no fights but the CHEAP SLEAZY HO man was fantastic. You just a cheap sleazy ho! I just took yo' ass! You sleazy cheap ho! You get my drift? dree-yee-ft? I've written a book, does anyone want to buy it? Apparently its very intense and clever and difficult, and its called No Faith in the System by Sarah Clarke well, according to amazon.com anyhoo. If you want to buy it it is: Our Price: $18.95 (a snip!) marvellous eh? Almost as good as Ho's R Us magazine! I still feel ill. Will anyone send me a get well soon card? Didn't Stina Noredmemsndgshgtstan cover some really cheesey song by some hoary old soft-rocker? That I've forgotten about but I vaguely remember being a bit unnverved by? Whilst listening to Lamaq live last night I heard the trailer of "THE UKS BEST ALTERNATIVE AND INDEPENDENT MUSIC!" which was immediately followed by the NEW and CUTTING EDGE You and Me song by the Wannadies. Irony? Satire? Its almost like Jane Austen... ie, shit. I just got a demo of tomb raider on the pooter, and I can't follow it at all. I think I'll stick to Micro Machines and Donkey Kong. With the little hammer that goes wupwupwupwupwupwup when you get it....hehe! I'm ill ok....sod off. buh-BYE! Sarah xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rewb2 at xxx.uk Tue May 11 14:27:25 1999 From: rewb2 at xxx.uk (Rob Butler) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 14:27:25 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I don't like summer. Like a gay bee, I come out in hives... Message-ID: <3014876841.926432845@cwp07.girton.cam.ac.uk> hello you There's nothing wrong with Pirouette Park!! Okay, so maybe it's not *hard*, but then again, it is the only area with an explicit Belle and Sebastian reference in its name! Plus, all the best people were there, of course. and it had a pink ostrich as its logo. Admittedly we missed out on the remote wanking device, but we did hear someone playing 'Away in a manger' on a kazoo through the wall. Horrible decor though, our chalet. The light-shade scared me. Highlights of Bowlie: Well, you've heard them all before, i guess. But the impromptu gig in the car park was just great; from then on i knew we were in for a superb weekend. Cornelius was fantastic - i only wish i'd seen the whole show. Jon Spencer rocked and rolled, as ever. And those Glaswegians, well they just ruled! I must say, Winter Woofter is much better than Paper Boat, not nearly as, ummm, catchy? (irritating!) More Flares and NHS specs than you can shake a stick at. And, I bought Tigermilk in one of the shops in Cambersands. Only £4.50. Made in Macedonia. Lowlights of Bowlie: Missing the football, the picnic(s), and the beach party. Mercury Rev - I saw them a few months ago and they were incandescent; but at Bowlie, after being on tour for months and months, they seemed tired, on heroin, and.. well,... their songs had gone a bit Aerosmith, if you know what i mean. And, of course, the Pontin's camera-kill squad. I was right next to a girl who had the film ripped from her camera during B&S, and it was so unnecessary and just a bit cruel, I thought. frankko/jarkko wrote: > Well I'm listening to dEus quite often. And Stina nordenstam! I thought I > was the only one in the whole of Europe who liked her music. Not a > chartbreaker, her. Anyone else into her? been trying to get some of her > singles, but it seems impossible to order them from anywhere. Not that good > music to listen to when the sun is shining, though. Perfect while sitting at > home while its raining and the thunder is roaring outside. Very relaxing the > old stuff. New stuff is so claustrophobic it's almost scary. stina's great - the first two albums are gorgeous, sweet and strange, quite minimalist. the third album grew on me, but it took a while. she's done a covers album, but that one's just scary! i say 'covers', but she only seems to have used their words, and made up her own weird tunes - very dark and, ummm, well i don't really like it. I know Honey is a huuge fan, so I shall probably be expelled from the list for blasphemy, but it isn't exactly easy listening. Speaking of which, i just bought a Free Design album (Kites are Fun), and it's rather nice. Could anyone in the know please recommend me with another of their albums, as there are quite a few and i can't afford them all! The new Luna album's quite nice - there's a rather good cover of 'Sweet child o'mine' on it! Much better than their last album, at least that's my (humble) opinion. Ah well, I've gone on far too much already, so I shall stop here. byebye Rob P.S. whoever recommended going to see Prolapse, you've made my mind up - i shall go tomorrow. But if they're pish, i shall be forced to kill you. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cchaffin at xxx.org Tue May 11 14:55:40 1999 From: cchaffin at xxx.org (Christa Chaffinch) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:55:40 -0400 Subject: Sinister: you're a superstar, that is what you are Message-ID: Hello all. Linda thought she would have the last Bowlie reference on the list, but I haven't thrown in my two cents yet! Ummm, it was fun. I didn't seem to have the days and endless nights of drunken debauchery that a lot of other people did, but I did have a fantastic time. I spent a great deal of time standing, it seems. (in lines, watching bands, on the beach) Did anyone else get to see the "dramatic sound and light show" at the town model in Rye? You would have learned all manner of sordid details about the underbelly of historic Rye. Murder!! Sex with monks!! Lovers being buried alive!! All very sinister indeed... Well, here is where i turn exclusionist: if you live in Washington DC, or will be visiting in the month of June, please read on... we are planning our very own sinister picnic. Right now the date is tentatively scheduled for Saturday, June 11. And Sam has so thoughtfully mentioned Rock Creek Park for the setting. We were also thinking about other places- a bar/restaurant (in case of rain), the zoo...who knows. Any ideas are welcome! Oh, and this doesn't have to be just for DC people, if you are in a situation to travel however far and would like to attend, please feel free!! I know there are a lot of you in the area, so this could end up being quite nice. Please email me if you are interested (*privately* of course). Phew. That exhausted me. Better go get some juice. i wanna rock with you, christa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cchaffin at xxx.org Tue May 11 15:03:43 1999 From: cchaffin at xxx.org (Christa Chaffinch) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:03:43 -0400 Subject: Sinister: you're a superstar, that is what you are Message-ID: that should be Saturday, June 12. so much for my proofreading skills. -c +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cbtun1 at xxx.au Tue May 11 13:58:44 1999 From: cbtun1 at xxx.au (Chris Tunnock) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:58:44 +1100 Subject: Sinister: The Official Melbourne Sinister Picnic Message-ID: <3FDFD346A4E@MFS05.cc.monash.edu.au> G'day enlightened ones, Honey has officially endorsed the Melbourne Sinister Picnic! So with that, your hosts Craig-Lee and yours truly would like to cordially invite (again) all those in reach of the Nightcat this Saturday the 15th... Though unable to access badges, you will recognise us on the table with our memorial B&S coasters, unless Jeepster veteos this copyright infringement! We hope to reserve the "cool" table by the window at 9pm... After much frivolity and conversation, and maybe a dance or two, we will head to Supermarket where Steve Wide better play "Me and the Major" or else I will hang him! The esteemed Miss Erin Nicole Lewis, the catalyst for the picnic, will be our photographer for the night, so wear something nice and be on your best behaviour... because if you are lucky Honey may just put your face on the website. We expect to see the entire Melbourne extended Sinister family! Bye Chris +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From funkyseb at xxx.com Tue May 11 15:10:08 1999 From: funkyseb at xxx.com (funkyseb at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 11 May 99 15:10:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: AHHHHHHSHHHAAKKEEDDOOWWNAAAHHHH!!!! Message-ID: Well, I hope you're all pleased with yourselves. Poor little Blake, coming all the way over from America, and not one of you can be arsed to meet him for a pint. Bastards! (obviously I'm not targeting those of you fortunate enough to live outside the fetid heart of our cadaverous british empire.) C'mooon! Lets extend the hand of sinister friendship to our distant brother! Or are you all too happy to wallow in your usual smelly schmindie cliques? Honestly. Pah. I'm all grumpy now. Yay! I was on a photo shoot (in Harringey!) for a TV License campaign yesterday, and not only did I get to wear a Stow T shirt, but the photographer played Twattybreast while we worked! The photo looks really good, like a B&S sleeve, with me peering through curtains, looking small and frightened. I love it; the only slight drawback is that it's on the front of a leaflet saying "give us all your money or we'll sue your arse off" :-) Urm. Great p!o!p! things! Yes! I don't know if it's availiable over the internet, but if you possibly can, get hold of a copy of Papercuts. There are too many great things about it too mention, but Peter Miller's Cuban story alone justifies the cover price. [Except I stole it. Sorry Trousers, I'll give you the money next time I see you :-)] Millah, is it supposed to stop so suddenly though? Or has there been a fuck up? Does Pedro Juan go to the mountains? Does his girlfriend come back from New York? We want to know! More please. What about a Monday Cuban short story Parrot? Go on, I dare you. P!O!P! thing no.2 is the Marshall Suite, the first Fall album I've heard all the way through. Wow! How good is Shake-off? If anyone would like to recommend some equally great Fall LPs that don't make you want to end it all with a kitchen knife, please mail me privately :-) I really can't manage this e mail thing today. Forgive me this, and I'll try again when I feel better.... seb +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.net Tue May 11 15:23:37 1999 From: honey at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 15:23:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: The Official Melbourne Sinister Picnic In-Reply-To: <3FDFD346A4E@MFS05.cc.monash.edu.au> Message-ID: Chris Tunnock said: > Honey has officially endorsed the Melbourne Sinister > Picnic! Erm, inasmuch as when asked I made a joke about filling in four copies of forms in triplicate and waiting two months for the Sinister Officials to process them. Please don't anyone think Sinister is anything other than all of you put together in a room with a bath full of cider: there's no official and un-official here and you're all of The One True Faith, just because you've typed "subscribe sinister" as some time in your lives, thank goodness. I know this mail is a little unnecessary, but hey, I'm a sensitive flower, particularly at the moment, and there might be some more out there. In order to have an Sinister Picnic you need to do this: 1. Join Sinister. 2. For latitudes < 55 degrees north: Get some cheese and a hard-boiled egg and sit on a rug and eat it, preferably with a friend. Hum Photo Jenny. Look at the sky. For latitudes > 55 degrees north: Go to the pub. honey xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From untitled at xxx.com Tue May 11 15:29:50 1999 From: untitled at xxx.com (Robert Foster) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:29:50 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Humm, Robert Forster, sounds a bit like Robert Foster doesn't it. Message-ID: <199905111030_MC2-7541-59A1@compuserve.com> Rob Butler wrote: >P.S. whoever recommended going to see >Prolapse, you've made my mind up - i >shall go tomorrow. But if they're pish, >i shall be forced to kill you. I saw Prolapse in Aldershot's West End Centre about a year ago. I strongly recommend that you have a good time. They have to be one of the biggest bands I've ever seen - there's about 14 people in it I mean. There are two lead singers, a bloke and a really short woman, anyway, the bloke had a crate of Stella and he was keeping it all to him self, I reckon he necked about five while they were on stage, there were already a few cans missing and when they finished he picked the crate up and held it like you would hold a woman, tightly to his chest and then bugged off. The polite thing was that he drank from a pint glass and not from a can, the glass later doubled up as an interesting sound effect thing; he emptied the glass down his throat and put it onto of the microphone and started to shout into it. I didn't understand a word he was saying. But I came out of the West End Centre thoroughly impressed with the performance I'd just been subjected to. And the Belle and Sebastian connection in this email is: They both come from Sctoland. ******** The Girl From CITV Is A Bit Chubby - A Twinklin And A Winklin In Her Eye. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samiamx at xxx.com Tue May 11 16:10:31 1999 From: samiamx at xxx.com (Sam Devere) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:10:31 PDT Subject: Sinister: Arsenic be judge, gin be jury, the chocolate's watching, the cuckoos are clockin Message-ID: <19990511151031.52359.qmail@hotmail.com> At the risk of being banned from this list for attending the Robbie Williams show, I have to share the following bits. When the band came out I vaguely recognized the lass playing keyboards. I couldn't recall where I'd seen her, so I didn't think much of it, till Robbie introduced her as Claire Worrell (sp?). That set off alarms in my head, ok now I know I've seen that name, but where? It took me a while, but halfway through the show I recalled that she is the newest member of the recently reformed Lilac Time -- very bizzarre. Maybe Stephen Duffy, Alex James and Robbie Williams will band together. The name Me Me Me would be perfect for Robbie's ego. He also mentioned the name of another band mate as Guy Chambers, is this the same Guy from World Party? At one point, Robbie tossed his cap into the audience and it came whirring like a frisbee, I realized it's heading right for me. I jumped and caught it. Then I was mauled and nearly tackled, lost the hat, lost my beloved cap on my head and my watch. Someone handed me the watch, but I never saw the other two items. I felt like the remnants of Jack Nicholson's body in his MTV celebrity death match when, after defeating Leonardo DiCap, he was ripped to pieces by Leonardo's fans. Sam _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jeanette at xxx.com Tue May 11 11:27:31 1999 From: jeanette at xxx.com (Jeanette) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:27:31 +0000 Subject: Sinister: This has nothing whatsoever to do with B&S Message-ID: <37380607.3F5A@ktc.com> Since many of us grew up quoting Shel Silverstein's rhymes, thought I'd share a sweet little verse by the author/poet/songwriter, who died yesterday at the age of 66: I'd rather play at hug o'war, Where everyone hugs Instead of tugs, Where everyone giggles And rolls on the rug, Where everyone kisses, And everyone grins, And everyone cuddles, And everyone wins... j. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bobbins2000 at xxx.com Tue May 11 16:50:13 1999 From: bobbins2000 at xxx.com (Beth Tilston) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:50:13 PDT Subject: Sinister: Beardy scottish men Message-ID: <19990511155014.98220.qmail@hotmail.com> David J. wrote >I stood next to a bloke who looked a bit like Mick Derrick from Prolapse at >The Fall's gig in birmingham last week. He lives in Leicester doesn't he? Oooooooh, celebrity story coming up. I RAN AWAY FROM PROLAPSE! They were supporting the Delgado's at the Charlotte in Leicester and they were sitting upstairs in the bar after their set. I went to go and put my coat in the cloak room and they started commenting on my Arab Strap t-shirt, saying things like "he's a beardy scottish man" and "that's a total rip off of the atlantic lable". I got scared of them and ran away really quickly. The whole experience made me feel quite flustered. Cliff Richard probably wouldn't send this post. Sorry! Love Beth t. XXXXXXXXXXXXXX P.S - THE FLAMING LIPS KICK ASS! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Michael.Barrett at xxx.com Tue May 11 17:05:29 1999 From: Michael.Barrett at xxx.com (Michael Barrett) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:05:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: What kind of a pet shop plays rambunctious jazz music at three in the morning? Message-ID: <00e501be9bc8$183c1db0$b62fc22b@karoo> What-o, neglecterinos. I need your help, oh musical know-it-alls (maybe I should just mail Kevan? (1000 voices cry "yes")). I need to find some speakeasy jazz music, as heard in Moe's Pet Shop when Homer was the beer baron. I intend to turn my room into a speakeasy, complete with a small slot in the door that you have to say the password through. Any recommendations? I tried to find 'The Best Speakeasy Jazz Album in the World...Ever', but all the shops in Reading must have sold out of it. Why I'm looking forward to a remastered Tigermilk: Will we finally be able to identify who is give Stuart oral pleasure during Expectations? On the third or fourth generation copy I have I can hear the zip coming down but nothing else in any detail. Michael PS Does any poor soul out there have my tape tree tape? Is it still in its sock? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Tue May 11 20:42:23 1999 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:42:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: second goes after first Message-ID: Hey! Isobel's contribution to P-O-P has arrived to the pages of Impact,our Uni student magazine.How trendy and t*** we are! Mmmm, I am off to send you some anonymous Steve (not Just-Wed Carsmile, I guess)opinions : 'Featuring players from Belle & Sebastian'the surprisingly discreet sticker announces.The Gentle Waves are Isobel Campbell,cello player in the aforementioned octet and as many other memebers of that band as each song requires .It's a nice album ,not a pot more.It reeks of inexperience and unconfidence(people who 've seen B&S 's live performances will know of Isobel's legendary stagefright)but when , on occasion, she overcomes this there are bright flashes of potential.'Weathershow'is something that Stereolab would be proud of , Rose I love you is a reworked of 'El Condor pasa' and 'Evensong ' is the happiest,most instanta song of the year.I expect she'll make a great third album. That Steve seems to me a psychology student , I don't know exactly why. I promise some research into the reviewer's identity to confirm my first impression. All that stress on Isobel's coyness sounds like if in his next lines he were to offer his 'Self confidence for performers ' workshop Love Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Tue May 11 21:30:09 1999 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:30:09 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Bowliepics Message-ID: <199905111630_MC2-7559-B9AC@compuserve.com> Hi All You Namblers'n'Pamblers, Vacillated, vainly, eventually vanity prevailed, so have to advise you view Vicky's vicarious B&S Bowlie visions, now viewable on the Sinisterweb @ http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/cgi-local/photo.cgi?gallery=concerts Thrill to Struanguitar, Struanbass, Struantrumpet, Struanpiano & Struanarmsofsax. According to Vicky she thrust her camera on me just before they came on. Hope they'd read the pre-Bowlie packing advice page thoroughly first :) And for all you 60's retro-heads, apparently Lee Hazelwood is playing his first gig in about 25 years at the Festival Hall next month. If interested, I can forward you a long mail about it & his new album. Bye, DMC, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Wed May 12 00:46:21 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:46:21 -0700 Subject: Sinister: ALEXSPOSTER Message-ID: <000d01be9c08$78cfac60$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Hello. I am looking for the lad named Alex who used the photo of Belle that was inside TBWTAS gatefold to make a poster. There is a photo of it on the Sinister site. I would like to get a copy of that poster if it is possible..... I took that photo...... elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alix.campbell at xxx.net Wed May 12 00:52:01 1999 From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:52:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: tostados...... Message-ID: <009801be9c09$444a20a0$0b46a8c2@big-comp> Rah! Hallo! it's quite late and i'm quite tired so my sense of CliffRichardy is near gone and i shall post, and then regret it. like when you think singing to Steps is a good idea. and trying to get other people to understand just why the hand movements are essential. 'tragedy' you cry, as everyone else looks at you like you've got small domestic mammal (ie a kitten) attached to your elbow with a length of cheesewire. oh yeh. anyway, i just saw Happiness. i got quite bored. and it was so long i missed my train. too many sub plots and subsubplots. rob quoth: >.P.S. whoever recommended going to see >Prolapse, you've made my mind up - i >shall go tomorrow. But if they're pish, >i shall be forced to kill you. i'd rather you didn't kill me. ta :) anyway, they'll be good, and you'll buy a little badge and wear it clashingly with all your B&S badges. prolapse were very good. i fancy linda steelyard. sort of. ;) there's a photo of someone posing as me, circulating, from bowlie, i'd just like to say that i don't really look that nice, and i believe a tim hopkins esque impostor may be involved. or rather an impostor imposing in the style that the tim hopkins impostor imposed as tim hopkins did. i think something went wrong there, with the words and all that, you know. what i might possibly be saying is that it's a very misleading photo...ok? oh fuck it is now almost 1 in the morning and i shall be compelled to oversleep tomorrow morning. again. bye alix.x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Wed May 12 06:51:01 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:51:01 PDT Subject: Sinister: B&S, bs and my feeble attempt to say something here. Message-ID: <19990512055102.13419.qmail@hotmail.com> To start things off, Fluffy Sarah said: >Didn't Stina Noredmemsndgshgtstan cover some really cheesey song by some >hoary old soft-rocker? Well she covered some Leonard Cohen on her "People are strange"-album. Is he a "hoary old soft-rocker"? Dunno. And hey, whos song is "I Dream Of Jeanie (with light brown eyes)"? That's on the same album too. I've heard the original version too, but I can't remember who performed it. And I think it was Beth, who said something like "Flaming Lips kick ass!!" Hmm. I've tried to listen to them, but I really can't say that I got it. Don't know why. And tomorrow it's a day off for us from the neverending cycle of worklife. Thank god for Jesus. Without you and your daddy-o we couldn't go out tonight (well we could, but we'd be pretty tired the next morning). And I don't even know why we don't have to get out of bed tomorrow. But then again, I'm an agnostic who's not paying any taxes for the church, so why should I care? And now for something conserning Belle & Sebastian. Hmmm... How should I put this... Is it true that Jeepster is going to stop selling B&S- merchandise? Heard it from trustworthy sources. Well, I don't care anymore, since I've got my buttons, "Study at Stow"- t-shirts and "If youre feeling sinister"-shirts. But is there a a specific reason for this, or is it just because Belle & Sebastian is getting too commercial and all those dimwits who got into B&S after TBWTAS think it's a credible thing to wear a shirt of a band they've only really dug for about 6 months or so (and yes, this is supposed to be irony)? And like they said in Select-magazine, does it make you a better person when you can say "Yeah, they used to be better back in the good ol' days when they weren't this big." If it does, well then fuck off. Stupid twat. @--->--- a rose, love and other stuff that makes you feel funny in your tummy, Frankko, who likes his new nick so much that he decided to stick with it. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mariannebratlie at xxx.com Wed May 12 11:07:47 1999 From: mariannebratlie at xxx.com (Marianne Bratlie) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 03:07:47 PDT Subject: Sinister: ..dream number 2... Message-ID: <19990512100748.61061.qmail@hotmail.com> Just thought I should tell you all about my second B&S dram ,(can`t remember the first one, had it at yhe bowlie festival) In this dream, I searched for something, somewhere, I was walking across the countrie, and, well whatever, it was a long walk, and suddenly I saw a footballfield, with a sign beside it (or somebody told me about it). It said that this was where the sinisters met, Belle and Sebastian were there acasionally as well. Next week there was going to be a "belle and Sebastian" birthday party, and I was thrilled with joy, looking forward to join it. ....well, I could say some more, but I haven`t got the time. Looking forward to get trough the 156 unread mails from the list... Cheers Marianne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bferneyhough at xxx.uk Wed May 12 12:17:36 1999 From: bferneyhough at xxx.uk (Ben Ferneyhough) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:17:36 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Highest Tigermilk price in the world EVER!! Message-ID: <199905121117.MAA07203@brookes.ac.uk> Dear all, was reading Teletext this morning, and noticed a piece about Jo Whiley who'd lost her copy of Tigermilk down the back of her (large) sofa or something, and the report said that it's now worth #1000. Hmmmm. I doubt that somehow. A bit of over-excitement by the reporter I think. Ben. __ _-==-=_,-. /--`' \_ at -@.--=\\_/`< ____ /= | \_| come on July 12th.... / `\ _/=== \___/ \___/ //\./=/~\====\ \ // / | ===: | ._/_,__|_ ==: __ \/ \\ \\`--| / \\ | \\:| /==:-\ \__/``\____/ | |--|==: \ \ ===\ :==:`-' _> \ ===\ /==/ /==\ | ===\__/--/ <=== \ / ====\ \\/ _`-- \/ === \/--' /______/_______/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hewits at xxx.uk Wed May 12 10:26:32 1999 From: hewits at xxx.uk (stephen hewitt) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:26:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Hello, hello It's good to be back Message-ID: <9188A3453EEED111BD7300805FEDEB6901AC38@PARK_EX> Hi there everyone, old married man here. I got back to work yesterday and had about 350 sinister posts to read, fortunately it was very quiet and my speed reading is good so I got through most of them and finished them off this morning (and am very glad I didn't unsub, as the bowlie posts were ace, as was the lyric/music discussion). I know it's horrendously late but Bowlie really was superb, mainly because of the sinister extended family. Any newbies out there who are feeling a bit shy about going to picnics, meetups etc, DON'T. Everyone is completely lovely (I'm pretty much a newbie myself). For those of you who are interested, the wedding went fantastically. Meg (Mrs CarsmileSteve) looked beautiful, the weather was gorgeous and everyone had a lovely day. Following on from the never ending thread of Belle & Seb dreams, I have a slightly new twist, BOWLIE Dreams!!! I dreamed that I was at a Bowlie kind of thing and was talking to Isobel and all my friends from Cheltenham were there too. But the main thing was that around the site was a huge 100 ft high wall with big metal spikes at the top, as though the Bowlie was being held in a prison camp or something (but we were still having an ace time). I also had a dream about the list itself, but I can't remember much about it...(I think it was just because I was missing you all, it's not easy to find a cyber cafe in the Algarve (honeymoon destination)). Once again, it's lovely to be back in the bosom of sinister xoxo CarsmileSteve ---------------------------------------------- carsmilesteve at geocities.com visit our website http://fast.to/carsmile 'So tell me what have you got? So tell me have I lost the plot?' +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Wed May 12 14:10:26 1999 From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:10:26 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: Sellotape - man's greatest invention In-Reply-To: <00e501be9bc8$183c1db0$b62fc22b@karoo> Message-ID: Michael said: >Why I'm looking forward to a remastered Tigermilk: Will we finally >be able to identify who is give Stuart oral pleasure during >Expectations? On the third or fourth generation copy I have I can >hear the zip coming down but nothing else in any detail. Maybe my copy's even worse than yours, but I've always thought it was someone peeling off some sellotape, or a plaster,that they just realised was stuck to the bottom of their shoe, or even worse, their sock. And they're trying to do it discreetly at the start of the song so that no-one notices. It reminds me of my only experience in a recording studio, when we could only afford one take and during it the alarm on my watch went off, cos I'd set it for Dad's Army the night before, and I looked very stupid indeed and everyone glared at me as I fumble with the buttons. Talking of sellotape, I've just had an Optics lecture in which the lecturer stuck strips of sellotape on a piece of polaroid and shone light through it and it made lots of different colours. It was really simple and ace, and if it isn't already should be put in a book called "Science Is Fun!". Jarkko said: >... And like they said in Select-magazine, does it >make you a better person when you can say "Yeah, they used to be >better back in the good ol' days when they weren't this big." If it >does, well then fuck off. Stupid twat. No it doesn't, of course. Maybe Jeepster are being a bit exclusive if they stop selling merchandise, but then I think a lot of the time bands become crap simply because they become too big and think too much of themselves. If Belle and Sebastian can become big and still do their thing then fair play to them, but I don't see how they can do that and still sing from the same perspective. I say keep it small. I don't think anyone wants them to become another band who sings about the pressures of fame and loses touch with what they used to do best. Popularity can be a dangerous thing; ask the boy with the arab strap. Sorry for saying the same old stuff that's been said a hundred times before, I think I'll go now. Bye love from Robin xxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 95djb2 at xxx.uk Wed May 12 14:16:25 1999 From: 95djb2 at xxx.uk (Dom) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:16:25 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Re: Highest Tigermilk price in the world EVER!! Message-ID: Hello...I'm a little bit nervous after going into exam-enforced hibernation for a few weeks. Not that I posted much anyway. Now that I'm back though - can I ask the regular list peeps what happened to the Monday poem? That was one of my favourite brighten-your-day bits of sinister. On Wed, 12 May 1999, Ben Ferneyhough wrote: > Dear all, was reading Teletext this morning, and noticed a piece about Jo > Whiley who'd lost her copy of Tigermilk down the back of her (large) sofa or > something, and the report said that it's now worth #1000. Hmmmm. I doubt that > somehow. A bit of over-excitement by the reporter I think. > Well I was listening to Jo's show yesterday when they did a piece on Newsbeat about the re-release, and she said she had two copies, one of which she'd lost. The Radio 1 reporter (can't remember who it was) sensationally revealed that copies "were changing hands at up to 800 pounds each". And he sounded over-excited. Still, why shouldn't he be - it has to be the release of the summer. Are there any sinisterines in Brighton? I'm staring down the barrel of forty years of employment starting in September, luckily I get to live in Brighton but I've only been there once. If anyone's got any advice on places to live, and so on mail me. Thank you, you're all lovely. Just time before I go to send Fluffy a virtual get well soon; I would have posted a proper card but I feared it wouldn't get through the door, what with all the other 950 or however many it is now sinister cards already there - byeeeeeeeee (oops) Dom +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From k.watson at xxx.uk Wed May 12 14:18:59 1999 From: k.watson at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:18:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place Message-ID: <002201be9c79$ff27b200$4e0129c2@sun> Gene Simmons is in this week's NME, sharing his favourite records with us - one of which is "I wanna hold your hand" which Gene must find amusing I would guess seen as he's allegedly had more than a billion women! He also points out that he's always been a fan of Jonathan King, and that his record for New Year's Eve 1999 is Jonathan King's classic "Everyone's gone to the moon", he's a fan of the way Mr.King is able to make music and do business. Great stuff, Gene is apparently good at making music and doing the business! On a similar note, the wonderful Beta Band have been forced to rerecord a track which includes the lyric from the catalyst of all things Welsh in music, and starting point for Catatonia, the Manics, the Sterephonics etc. Welsh rock princess Bonnie Tyler's "Total eclipse of the heart". Apparently Jim Steinman (Meatloaf songwriter pop-pickers) refused the Betas the right to release the track as he plans to ressurect the track soon - there's one to look forward to. The Beta Band play in Edinburgh on June 12th, and I advise everyone to go and see them, they're really bangin' There's a program on the telly about Mercury Rev tonight too, it's on about 10 past 1 in the morning. Cheers, Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Wed May 12 14:24:42 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:24:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Brutal arse sex Message-ID: <8025676F.0049AD95.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> >From: "jarkko frantila" >And now for something conserning Belle & Sebastian. Hmmm... How should I put >this... Is it true that Jeepster is going to stop selling B&S- merchandise? >Heard it from trustworthy sources Yes, I don't think I'm betraying any confidences if I say that I too have heard this, straight from the horse's mouth. Thinking about it though, a horse is a horse of course, of course and no one can talk to a horse of course of course, unless of course of the horse id Mr Ed. Or David Kitchen. Which it was. Apparently the merchandising is a great money spinner but it's taking up too much of Jeepster's time, at the expense of things like singing new bands. Anyway, at least this contradicts the view that Jeepster are an evil BUSINESS just wanting to make MONEY, since a sensible capitalist strategy in these circumstances would surely be to take on more menial staff to send out all the T-shirts and badges. Maybe they fear that these workers will realise that they are buttering Mark Jones' bread and seize the means of production. Or something. I'm not very good on Marxist theory. A nice French boy posted a great treatise on the subject a while ago but got shouted down by some nasty American man who said 'Hey, where do get off on spouting all this political shit?' Note my insidious demarcation of 'boy' and 'man'. I have no idea what their respective ages are but boy = good whilst man= bad. Oh dear, I hope the American man isn't still on the list or else this might constitute one of those flame things. I'm sorry. I'm surely you are lovely and my memory is addled. Anyway, DK says that they are planning to contract out the merchandising to another company, although the same crew will still be designing the stuff. >From: "Beth Tilston" > P.S - THE FLAMING LIPS KICK ASS! For years I thought that 'kicking ass' was a bad thing. This was probably the result of being kicked in the ass by my PE teacher and not liking it very much. So for years I had this unpleasant connection lingering in my unconcious, obscuring the true glory of ass-kicking. Now that I've been through therapy I take every opportunity to kick people I like really hard up the ass. Sometimes they respond by hitting me in the face, which I can only assume is an even better thing. And having seen the Flaming Lips' life-changing set at Camber Sands, I can only agree with Beth. THE FLAMING LIPS HIT FACES! >From: stephen hewitt >Following on from the never ending thread of Belle & Seb dreams, I have a >slightly new twist, BOWLIE Dreams!!! >I dreamed that I was at a Bowlie kind of thing and was talking to Isobel and >all my friends from Cheltenham were there too. But the main thing was that >around the site was a huge 100 ft high wall with big metal spikes at the >top, as though the Bowlie was being held in a prison camp or something (but >we were still having an ace time). I too had a BOWLIE Dream! I was embarassed to mention it before, but seeing as Stephen has recounted his, I might as well add my own. I dreamed that I was ambushed in the toilets and subjected to a brutal gang rape! This was no fun, but later on in the dream I got over it, and there were all these girls saying how they thought I was great (not just because I'd been subjected to a brutal gang rape). To be honest it wasn't so much set in Camber Sands holiday camp as in a typical dream amalgam of there, a university and my office. And to be honest it wasn't so much a dream as a typical amalgam of a dream , a fantasy and real life. Actually, that's not true - it really was a dream, and you can check my diary if you don't believe me. I never lie to my diary. Which maybe explains why it's so dull. I love you all. Nick xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Wed May 12 15:16:50 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:16:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: day three Message-ID: hello yous, I found a little pot in oxfam with 'Camber Sands' written on one side and 'playing cards' on the other. The pot was empty (the irony!). I didn't get to go and can only look in from the outside and dream of what filled it up. Like the pot. But I found a pair of Frank Butcher sunglasses after that which cheered me up no end. (*note to non-brits: Frank Butcher is a character in the best english soap Eastenders, he looks a bit smelly and rough around the edges, but he's got a heart of pure gold. Or at least geunine gold plated. He wears brown tinted glasses, you may have also seen jarvis cocker sporting a pair. It's funny how Jarvis used to look so sexy in grandad clothes, but now just looks drap. I would have tried to make him feel famous if I did go to bowlie though, I'd feel so sorry for him I'd have probably camped outside his chalet one night. I mean, everyone deserves to feel special don't they? espcially if they're famous and no one cares. mwahaha! ). sorry, that's a load of all hat. You may wonder what I was going in oxfam during study leave. You may not. but The Answer is that I was trying to waste some time now I've coloured every inch of my revision timetable in coloured pencils, and gone over all the pencil in biro. I doodled on my leg for a bit but it didn't forfil me. cheerio Erica x p.s please mail me with your critism/comments privately. I'm bored. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From F.J.Ritchie at xxx.uk Wed May 12 15:26:28 1999 From: F.J.Ritchie at xxx.uk (Floss) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:26:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Hey kids! Message-ID: <37398F94.CA7F7485@durham.ac.uk> Hey kids! I've just been let out of the nursery so thought I'd say hello to you all as I've been dying to do for ages. It's a bit frustrating in there as I'm sure you'll all remember, kind of like seing photos of Bowlie when you weren't there (which I wasn't either, boo hoo!). I'm in Durham (a grim place) revising for my finals at uni and getting v bored. And B&S are providing the soundtrack to my life at the moment. Anybody got any thoughts on the image of women in the media (preferably in German)? Floss. xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From uh0jm at xxx.uk Wed May 12 15:19:31 1999 From: uh0jm at xxx.uk (James McGachie) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:19:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk release date? In-Reply-To: <199905121311.HAA19825@turtle.esosoft.net> Message-ID: Please feel free to slap and beat me for asking this before bothering to look at the FAQ, but I heard the official Tigermilk was having a May release date here in Scotland....anyone got any news on this? james. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ James McGachie e-mail:uh0jm at abdn.ac.uk Undergraduate Law (LLB) 1st Year Aberdeen University Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bobbins2000 at xxx.com Wed May 12 16:31:50 1999 From: bobbins2000 at xxx.com (Beth Tilston) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:31:50 PDT Subject: Sinister: Doubting Thomas Message-ID: <19990512153150.60064.qmail@hotmail.com> G'day chums! Jarkko Frantila was a bit dubious about the flaming lips. What can I say. Go and see them live. They are orgasmic. Hey, they are POST orgasmic. I saw them supporting Mercury Rev (who made my head go funny, I don't know why!). The lead singer was sex in a duffle coat...and he walked past me and smiled before their set. I am truly blessed. They had a big gong which they hit repeatedly, although never with their heads which is what I was hoping for. They also had backing singers in the shape of a shark hand puppet and a nun hand puppet. It was very bizarre, and just a little bit scary which added to the fun. LOve Beth T.XXXXXXXXXXxxXXX ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From justin at xxx.com Wed May 12 16:35:46 1999 From: justin at xxx.com (Justin Williams) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:35:46 -0500 Subject: Sinister: [Non-B&S] Re:Flaming Lips, not meant for fans In-Reply-To: <19990512055102.13419.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <4.1.19990512102351.0098b1a0@delafont.com> At 10:51 PM 5/11/99 -0700, you wrote: >And I think it was Beth, who said something like "Flaming Lips kick ass!!" >Hmm. I've tried to listen to them, but I really can't say that I got it. >Don't know why. I don't mean to offend anyone which I am sure is not an effective disclaimer, but I was hoping someone would agree with me on this subject, and I think Frankko is the first. I bought a Mercury Rev album (Deserter's Songs) the other day, and although the music is nice and catchy, that voice reminds me too much of the guy from the Flaming Lips. I truly without sarcasm can't understand why people like that screechy, high-toned voice. I saw the Flaming Lips about three years ago, and the show they put on was not bad, but it takes every iota of strength for me to put up with his voice. Just to give some ammo to those who are going to be attacking me, I like the Trash Can Sinatras, Donovan, Simon & Garfunkel, Bob Dylan (I like the lyrics, not the voice), and a lot of other mellow stuff which may explain why I don't like FL. Sorry to waste the list's time with non-B&S info, but I just had to get that out. Also I apologize for any offense taken....all in good fun, eh? :) Justin W "Often I tried the frightening way of "reality," Where things that count are profession, law, fashion, finance, But disillusioned and freed I fled away alone To the other side, the place of dreams and blessed folly." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Victoria.Rees at xxx.com Wed May 12 16:55:13 1999 From: Victoria.Rees at xxx.com (Victoria Rees) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:55:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Flaming Lips Message-ID: <00084AF4.N22024@ft.com> Justin Said: >> I bought a Mercury Rev album (Deserter's Songs) the other day, and although the music is nice and catchy, that voice reminds me too much of the guy from the Flaming Lips. Not only do they sound the same, but Jonathan Donahue from Mercury Rev used to be in the Flaming Lips. Scary!! 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WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From coool_air at xxx.com Wed May 12 17:22:37 1999 From: coool_air at xxx.com (Claire Timmins) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:22:37 PDT Subject: Sinister: more weekend fun? Message-ID: <19990512162237.40135.qmail@hotmail.com> bowlie bowlie bowlie - ha said it last! How are we all? It's sad how the enthusiasm dies off so quickly. hello to all that I met, although briefly but Keith and Christophe were scaring me with that goddamn machine. Joss was scaring me even more but that was just usual. And Tag can dance. Disappointed as I was with the apparent lack of rock and roll lifestyles (jon Spencer ya woos) I'm glad to see all was rectified in Dublin later. Although I admit I didnt even see B&S, Godspeed kinda wrapped me round all 22 little fingers they had - which was quite a bit more than the others, so they won. Anyway it was fun. It aint ever wearing that hat again though. Other matters. My knowledge of 'fun' is rather limited, in the south of England that is, I know loads of fun things to do up here in Scotland. Why we even found the lyrics/music for 'total eclipse of the heart' on Russia's first Bonnie T's web page. Well I want to know about things in London cause I'll be there soon for a few days. Any info would be of help, especially Harrison Ford's phone number - i heard all the big stars live there. oh thank you all so much, all my lovin' Claire ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Wed May 12 17:31:47 1999 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:31:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Capital is not dead,is it? Message-ID: Here I am with my nowadays rebellious spirit: The radical wing has risen its discontinous flight after Jarko's hush-hush over Jeepster not selling any longer B&S merchandising. If nearly most of you out there were not shopaholics unable to articulate your behaviour apart from the consumism injected straight to your veins by all the possible media, as I am not,you would create your own B&S fashion and be alternative and could start to crop your own carrots and make your own bread and survive with no heating.Hey!All the above is true in my case but the carrots bit and only because my backyard does not offer the proper natural conditions. After some similar experiences in the list ,fearing possible attacks from lacking sense of humour masses, I just state all the above is equally a joke, being myself a walking example of how to survive to the consumer society and spend 90 quid in a red sexy dress purchased at a chain of stores whose treatment of women in its marketing is not particularly fortunate, by the way (Floss, I will never be able to speak German, sorry!) However, it looks a good idea to me.It will stop Belle and Sebastian to be a band who sold more t-shirts than records, as (at least in Spain)it was said about The Smiths... Nick is having dirty dreams.No comment. And I have no sleep.Are we potentially connected??? xxxx Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From csomeone at xxx.com Wed May 12 18:02:47 1999 From: csomeone at xxx.com (Cynthia Someone) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:02:47 PDT Subject: Sinister: holes dug by little moles telephone poles and trolls and foals Message-ID: <19990512170256.46692.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear sinister poppets: and Arantxa said: And Tag can dance. This is very good. But I heard that Tag has extremely small feet. I always thought dancers had to have big feet, with long toes, to keep from falling over. and then there't the B& S merchandising thing: I guess it's not that important to me, seeing as I'm the sort of flibbertygibbet that only buys band t-shirts on the way out, after seeing some amazing show, exhilirated and flush-faced and ready to spend *something* in order to express my celebratory mood/frenzied moment/lust. How does that all mix up all together? Must be a music thing. Anyway, the only t-shirt that's lasted me through the years is my battered faded james tshirt circa early nineties ... anyway, the tshirt I would have liked from Jeepster isn't made anymore, I'm sad about that. They were the nicest ones. And about dreams: I think dreams are our personal myths. Dreams can haunt us all their lives. I had a dream 5 years ago, I was a mermaid once, who left the sea and once dry, wanted to find it again, but I couldn't find it, I looked everywhere... and then I spotted a merman, and we went off to look together... it was a beautiful dream. If any of you have dreams that have stayed with you like this you would like to share, please email me privately, I'll put them up on my web site. By the way, I think the best time to listen to new music is in the morning, when one's mind is clear. And then you can get pleasantly startled awake in the best way, the brightest way, if what comes to you is beautiful. Today it was brazilian music, something about "... mente loca ... toca... um momento" etc. and there were two male voices and mostly percussion, if anyone has an idea who it was, I'll give you a bright and shiny nickel. Cynthia http://www.geocities.com/soho/village/4541/index.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From csomeone at xxx.com Wed May 12 17:58:56 1999 From: csomeone at xxx.com (Cynthia Someone) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:58:56 PDT Subject: Sinister: holes dug by little moles telephone poles and trolls and foals Message-ID: <19990512165901.73008.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear sinister poppets: and Arantxa said: And Tag can dance. This is very good. But I heard that Tag has extremely small feet. I always thought dancers had to have big feet, with long toes, to keep from falling over. and then there't the B& S merchandising thing: I guess it's not that important to me, seeing as I'm the sort of flibbertygibbet that only buys band t-shirts on the way out, after seeing some amazing show, exhilirated and flush-faced and ready to spend *something* in order to express my celebratory mood/frenzied moment/lust. How does that all mix up all together? Must be a music thing. Anyway, the only t-shirt that's lasted me through the years is my battered faded james tshirt circa early nineties ... anyway, the tshirt I would have liked from Jeepster isn't made anymore, I'm sad about that. They were the nicest ones. By the way, I think the best time to listen to new music is in the morning, when one's mind is clear. And then you can get pleasantly startled awake in the best way, the brightest way, if what comes to you is beautiful. Today it was brazilian music, something about "... mente loca ... toca... um momento" etc. and there were two male voices and mostly percussion, if anyone has an idea who it was, I'll give you a bright and shiny nickel. Cynthia _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From OfLights at xxx.com Wed May 12 19:15:02 1999 From: OfLights at xxx.com (OfLights at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:15:02 EDT Subject: Sinister: GROSVENOR Message-ID: Just to let you all know that: Grosvenor will be playing on the: 8th June at the Garage, Highbury Corner; and the 19th June at the Hope & Anchor, Islington. Hope to see you there. For any further info e-mail Grosvinfo at AOL.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From csomeone at xxx.com Wed May 12 17:57:09 1999 From: csomeone at xxx.com (Cynthia Someone) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:57:09 PDT Subject: Sinister: holes dug by little moles telephone poles and trolls and foals Message-ID: <19990512165711.46457.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear sinister poppets: and Arantxa said: And Tag can dance. This is very good. But I heard that Tag has extremely small feet. I always thought dancers had to have big feet, with long toes, to keep from falling over. and then there't the B& S merchandising thing: I guess it's not that important to me, seeing as I'm the sort of flibbertygibbet that only buys band t-shirts on the way out, after seeing some amazing show, exhilirated and flush-faced and ready to spend *something* in order to express my celebratory mood/frenzied moment/lust. How does that all mix up all together? Must be a music thing. Anyway, the only t-shirt that's lasted me through the years is my battered faded james tshirt circa early nineties ... anyway, the tshirt I would have liked from Jeepster isn't made anymore, I'm sad about that. They were the nicest ones. And about dreams: I think dreams are our personal myths. Dreams can haunt us all their lives. I had a dream 5 years ago, I was a mermaid once, who left the sea and once dry, wanted to find it again, but I couldn't find it, I looked everywhere... and then I spotted a merman, and we went off to look together... it was a beautiful dream. If any of you have dreams that have stayed with you like this you would like to share, please email me privately, I'll put them up on my web site. By the way, I think the best time to listen to new music is in the morning, when one's mind is clear. And then you can get pleasantly startled awake in the best way, the brightest way, if what comes to you is beautiful. Today it was brazilian music, something about "... mente loca ... toca... um momento" etc. and there were two male voices and mostly percussion, if anyone has an idea who it was, I'll give you a bright and shiny nickel. Cynthia http://www.geocities.com/soho/village/4541/index.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From robhalcrow at lineone.net Wed May 12 20:05:23 1999 From: robhalcrow at lineone.net (robhalcrow at lineone.net) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:05:23 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Re: Well don't get saucy etc etc Message-ID: <199905121905.UAA19744@boober.lineone.net> Spurred into action by Funky Seb's admonitions and opportunism I'm issuing an invitation for Blake Hamilton and any other Sinister types who might be interested. I live in "Historic Canterbury"TM but on Sunday 16th May I will be in London, Kentish Town to be exact where my band Picturebox are playing at The Bull and Gate. I'll be there from 6pm (soundcheck) onwards and we're not playing till gone 10 so there's enough time for a drink and a friendly chat. There's a market, I do believe, down the road in Camden Lock on Sundays for those springtime bargains. Even if you don't want to hear our nambling pambling indie schmindie ramblings do come along as it would be nice to meet any Sinister people who are in the area.(If you did come through to the stage you'd be face to face with the politest band in Canterbury). Do the upside down badge thang and I'll know who you are. I will probably be wearing a TBWTAS Tshirt. Blake, I love crumpets and "Dishes" is my favourite Pulp song. Who could ask for anything more? Remember: Sundays should be Fundays. Love Rob +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glawler at xxx.ie Wed May 12 21:35:39 1999 From: glawler at xxx.ie (Gary Lawler) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:35:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Quick question Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990512213539.007be6e0@gpo.iol.ie> Does anyone have that Jeepster mail order form on file? I've decided that I've gone too long without LLPJ and DoW, and that the time has come to get them . . . . and maybe put in an order for Tigermilk while I'm at it. So if anyone has it, could send it along to me? Thanks in advance (I can't seem to find it on the site . . . all that talk of credit cards and secure documents made me afraid, so I ran away). Oh, and group assessment-type interviews where you have to act all cheerful and chatty are horrible, horrible, horrible. Especially if you're not. So I found out today. Gary Lawler -------------------------------------------- ICQ UIN: 11115268 AIM: seclite369 In the CD Player: "Either/Or", Elliott Smith -------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ian.Halliday at xxx.NZ Wed May 12 06:29:38 1999 From: Ian.Halliday at xxx.NZ (Halliday, Ian) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:29:38 +1200 Subject: Sinister: More about rice pudding Message-ID: It was a very long time ago that rice pudding started to be more than just something to eat. A group of renegades at a festival apparently had nothing else to eat and spent their time shouting "Rice pudding!" instead of the more usual "Wally!" Not long after, I discovered one of these people advertising his dubious history by using the aforementioned product as a session name on the department computer. We became good friends after that, and I am still able to quote his little poem on the subject. Some dream of semolina And some of apple pie But without my rice pudding I know I'd surely die. Ambrosia Rice Pudding Is creamy, smooth and nice. I never will dessert (!) you, Ambrosia Creamed Rice. So the question is this: does anybody know what happened to Ewan all those years ago? Maybe Mr Sallis could help me on this one, as he obviously speaks with considerable authority about rice pudding and champagne, two of life's staple foods. And what does this have to do with B&S, a group so obscure here in New Zealand that I would probably never have heard of them but for the fact that I was introduced to them by Honey, who was at the same high school as me in Angleterre, and who obviously saw them as worthwhile. CDnow had a special offer a while back which enabled me to get hold of a copy of IYFS for next-to-nothing so I did. And now the New Zealand newspapers have found about B&S and are writing beautiful reviews of Arab Strap. And none of this would have meant anything to me if I hadn't stumbled across Honey's website. Ah, the stories I could tell about him, but cannot because he would moderate any of the stories I posted out of existence.... Regards, Ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Wed May 12 22:22:53 1999 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:22:53 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: In-Reply-To: <19990512170256.46692.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 May 1999, Cynthia Someone wrote: > This is very good. But I heard that Tag has extremely small feet. I always > thought dancers had to have big feet, with long toes, to keep from falling > over. Unfortunately it doesn't work the other way round - I've got huge feet but I can't dance for toffee. Or more accurately, I normally dance like my feet are stuck in a large pool of toffee and I'm trying to get out. As anyone who made it to Brighton Beach after the Leeds gig last year can testify... As for the T-Shirts, yes David has said that Jeepster will probably stop selling B&S merchandise before long, but that it's up to the band themselves if they want to let someone else take over instead. So if the Glaswegians on the list have a word with little Stuart M, we could start a Sinister T-shirt emporium... Oh, and by the way, to Blake / Claire / anyone else who's going to London at any point, all you need to do is email Trousers and see if there's going to be a Blue Soda social at the Poetry Cafe while you're here, then we'll all get to meet you... Big Stu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Wed May 12 22:51:35 1999 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:51:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Beepsternews: update Message-ID: Belle and Sebastian ------------------- Some confusion appears to have arisen over B&S's next release. We would like to make it clear that the 'Tigermilk' which is to be released on July 12th is NOT a re-release of their first, limited edition album. It is in fact a 3-track single, having as it's lead track the instrumental song of the same name which was played live at Manchester Town Hall in December 1997. Track two on the CD will be another live favourite, 'The Loneliness Of The Middle-Distance Runner'. This would have been released a while ago, but the band couldn't decide on which of the studio mixes they preferred; so there will be 2 different mixes on the CD, one coming out of each speaker, so you'll get a different version by adjusting the balance on your hifi to the left or the right. Track three will be a song called 'Winter Wookie', written by Stuart David to commemorate the UK release of the new Star Wars film. It is the heart-wrenching story of the plight of an 8-foot tall walking, talking ball of hair which has been left by Han Solo to fend for itself for a weekend in late January; and of it's subsequent doomed love affair with a roll of shag-pile carpet. Needless to say, all three songs sound fantastic, and I urge you all to go out and buy 20 copies so we can make more money out of it. It will come in an attractive puce-and-lilac sleeve, featuring a picture of an empty flowerpot on the front for no apparent reason. The single can be pre-ordered for just thirty-six pounds from the Beepster online shop; and will be available in the stores from July 12th (or June 1st from CDNow). Katherine -- ************************************************************************ beepster recordings ltd. - mailto:s-and-m at beepster.co.uk http://www.beepster.co.uk/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- |this message originated from beepster recordings ltd |visit our site at http://www.beepster.co.uk/ for more info on the label | |to unsubscribe yourself from this list send a message to |majortom at beepster.co.uk with the words 'why won't you bugger off and |just leave me alone' in the body of the message | |any problems? then keep them to yourself, you whining pommy bastard +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Thu May 13 00:05:06 1999 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:05:06 PDT Subject: Sinister: papercuts (strictly business mail,no fun stuff) Message-ID: <19990512230507.30706.qmail@hotmail.com> belle and sinister merchandise no longer? does that mean there is going to be a huge sale? oh please...i dont understand cheques or money orders or anything,whenever i send my order,i send the actual money is a cassette tape. i`d like to make some belle and sebastian merchandise...the art students at my school have got a silk screening machine and everything, you know,at my 9th birthday party,i wanted fun things,to be original,so we all got to make our own tshirts,mine was SO UGLY though, thiis hideous PLOP of orange in the middle (oh,how i cried) i would re-like the chance to make a shirt again. flaming lips: i stole a flaming lips cd from this bin,a few months ago,before i even heard you discussing them (and i hear much discussing now) i think the name attracted me,well i didnt really steal,the man said i could take it, its called `The Big Ol` Bug Is The New Baby Now` but i dont understand them..i also took a cd called `Ponto` are they a band that will get much discussion as well? to be honest,i have listened to it yet,so sitting in my room may be a really good cd (or a really bad one)i dont know anything about these things. can i see this papercuts? i heard of before,but now i hear agin,i really want to see it. seriously and completely! sign me up nick dastoors mail was so fun, what a sweet little thing. je m`excuse,normally,i would be ecstatic with my wedding plans,what a boring mail,so official huh? but your pal pookie is ill. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tinystar at xxx.com Thu May 13 00:35:38 1999 From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:35:38 -0400 Subject: Sinister: brutal arse sex? count me in! Message-ID: <004f01be9cd0$41292a20$4a1e05d1@oemcomputer> sinistrees, you've all got nick dastoor to thank for that subject header. i'm afraid i've had too much sugar and caffeine today to be held responsible for what appears in your mailboxes. i get my photos back from the delgados show tomorrow, big thanks to all that mailed me to let me know details of the show. they're supernice kids (and quite good looking too, especially the tall singer boy whose name escapes me), i talked to them for about an hour after the show about how they liked toronto (a lot), jetlag and alcohol. for a show review, go to http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/3733 then go to "the real me", then "before", it should be there on may 10. photos will be up in the next couple days. and feel free to go to my photo galleries, especially the jessica gallery, the pictures in which will impress you so much they will inspire you to vote for me in the listcrush poll, thereby breaking the tie between myself and stevie trousers and crowning me queen of media and list manupulation. oh poo, i don't know, it's what my magic 8 ball said. ohohoh! the surprise of the week came when i was listening to the local "alternative" (read: shit rock with obnoxious djs) radio station, cfny "the edge" 102.1. the new music preview came on, and who did they play? looper! i think the song may have had something to do with squirrels...but even though the dj named all the people in the band, the album and the fact that he "really dug them," he neglected to mention that stuart david was also in belle and sebastian, winners of a brit award in 1999. so i phoned the comment line and, er, commented. i don't know why, but b+s are a billion times better than looper and won a *big award*, for goodness sakes, and should have at least been name dropped once. so that's it for me, jeopardy's on now. love, jessicaxo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m (it's lovely being a girl) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From scoulomb at xxx.ca Thu May 13 05:24:15 1999 From: scoulomb at xxx.ca (scoulomb at xxx.ca) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:24:15 -0400 Subject: Sinister: toronto picnic?? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990513002415.007ae390@cgocable.net> hello all, i was just wondering if the toronto picnic was still going on because a friend of mine and i would love to come even though she's not even on this list and this is my first post....thats just how much we'd love to meet lovely b&s fans! sam xoxoxyz p.s. jessica i remember seeing you taking lots of pictures at the delgados show, cant wait to see them! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk Thu May 13 09:11:48 1999 From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:11:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Sinister indeed (no B+S) Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From kissingdom at xxx.net Thu May 13 09:18:39 1999 From: kissingdom at xxx.net (Tony) Date: 13 May 99 09:18:39 BST Subject: Sinister: Gigs Message-ID: <19990513081839.4626.qmail@www0t.netaddress.usa.net> >I like the Trash Can Sinatras, Donovan, Simon & Garfunkel Look out The Kings of Convenience whenever they reappear... >Sunday 16th May I will be in London, Kentish Town to be exact where my band Picturebox are playing at The Bull and Gate. Same night as Smog - this is always happening to me :-( >Grosvenor will be playing on the: 19th June at the Hope & Anchor, Islington. Nick Drake tribute night @ the Spitz - see what I mean >a Blue Soda social at the Poetry Cafe speaking of socials anyone got news on the B&S club night 'Track and Field' which I keep seeing flyers for ? other things to look forward to: Low @ the Garage, Pernice Bros and Tasha Lee @ the Garage, Wisdom of Harry Upstairs @ the Garage - no doubt you'll find me proping up the Minibar... Tony ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vlass at xxx.com Thu May 13 13:53:57 1999 From: vlass at xxx.com (vlass at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 08:53:57 -0400 Subject: Sinister: toronto picnic?? Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990513125357.00b0cc54@mail.interlog.com> At 12:24 AM 5/13/99 -0400, you wrote: >hello all, >i was just wondering if the toronto picnic was still going on because a >friend of mine and i would love to come even though she's not even on this >list and this is my first post....thats just how much we'd love to meet >lovely b&s fans! a note to sam and all torontonians -- yes, the sinister picnic is still going on! although exact precise meeting places have not been specified, we do know that it is taking place on may 29th at high park. the turn out will be quite good, i think. and bring anyone you want! they don't have to be on the list.. the only pre-requisite is a luv for belle and sebastian. bringing some picnic food would be nice too. anyway, we'll keep you posted with the final details.. teri xx we design synthesizers: http://members.tripod.com/~meltingsnow/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Miette76 at xxx.com Thu May 13 15:47:28 1999 From: Miette76 at xxx.com (Miette76 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:47:28 EDT Subject: Sinister: toronto picnic?? Message-ID: In a message dated 5/13/99 12:30:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, scoulomb at acs.ryerson.ca writes: << hello all, i was just wondering if the toronto picnic was still going on because a friend of mine and i would love to come even though she's not even on this list and this is my first post....thats just how much we'd love to meet lovely b&s fans! sam xoxoxyz >> is there a sinister list picnic? maybe i missed the previous letter which mentioned this, but when was it planned? i will be in toronto with some friends near the end of this month and maybe we could come along too. sounds lovely! chao! esme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From G.K.A.Kathoke at xxx.uk Thu May 13 16:06:34 1999 From: G.K.A.Kathoke at xxx.uk (Geyv Kathoke) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:06:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister:I am a lazy gett..... Message-ID: I've had a voice for days now so I thought I'd better say hello, so erm Hello. Just my luck, at the time when I finally get out of the nursery, it's too late for Bowlie and the whole lyrics dicussion has passed by as well. Well i don't care if bowlie was three weeks ago, you can have my opinion anyway. Was I the only who found it just abit too comfortable? It was a struggle to get out of bed in the afternoon! Ah well managed to see everyone I wanted to see. Was thoroughly disappointed in Divine comedy and they looked out of place as well. Everyone else was fantastic but Stuart Murdoch is my hero and B+S were off the planet. Well that's that done, I can go back to doing nothing again. Phew For a minute I lost myself Love Geyv +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Thu May 13 19:15:11 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:15:11 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Merchandise Frenzy...... Message-ID: <001201be9d6c$8a51d480$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> To: sinister at majordomo.net Subject: Merchandise..... Okay, I may be stepping on a few 'adult' toes here, me just a toddler in the Sinister world, and all.... But I have something to say. Granted no one ever cares what I have to say, what my opinions are and that, but here goes.... What is the big deal about the merchandise thing? First of all - he/she say is never 100% - and even if it is true - why all the mumbling? It's nice that B&S are something of a secret - that they're not as big as Spice Girls, etc.. But these things are not up to us. These things are up to the band. Why would any of us, who love their music, want to begrudge them that chance to make good money for what they do? I know that they, themselves, aren't in it for the money, but it is really none of our business. And even if they were - who wants to spend their life in a dole que? As for decisions that Jeepster make, what do you expect? It is a company - one that supports the lives of many as well as puts out the music we love and sends these people on tour. They HAVE to make money to keep us happy - with tours and CD's - and they have to keep people in clothes and food day and day out. What is so wrong with making money? More to the point, all this aside, when have you EVER known Jeepster or B&S (AS A BAND) to steer us wrong and take advantage of us. Look how cheap their releases are!!! AND the fact that they stuck to they're guns about releasing 4 song Eps that were not eligible for the charts. Why does it matter to anyone that they would make a 3 single EP? Sometimes it sounds like people are being a weeny bit selfish by asking all these questions. This email may not win me any friends here, and I am sorry. But some people felt strongly enough to complain. I think it is disrespectful to carry on about these things when Jeepster and B&S have always done right by the fans. Have a little faith. Sorry for the rant, but I thought it needed to be said. Snoggs, elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Thu May 13 19:26:57 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:26:57 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Delgadoes.... Message-ID: <001401be9d6e$2f43f9e0$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Totally off the subject - but cool all the same! In America THE BOX music channel is split into four station - The Edge, Classic, Urban and Rap. My CD player is shot so I left The Edge on while I did the dishes - and to my surprise the Delgadoes were on!!! I was stunned! I guess this is hope that B&S will be on soon! Snoggs, elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mariannebratlie at xxx.com Thu May 13 19:32:23 1999 From: mariannebratlie at xxx.com (Marianne Bratlie) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:32:23 PDT Subject: Sinister: a bit of B&S in the end, but otherwise its an european experince. Message-ID: <19990513183225.58181.qmail@hotmail.com> : "jarkko frantila" wrote the second of may... > >And now on to other stuff. Ok, Im trying to get some people together for >the big Scandinavian meetup, but no-one seems to be intersted. Come on... >Everybody else is doing it, why can't we? > >-Jake. > .....count me in, I know there are some more scandinavians out there, I don`t write much myself, but I do read almost every mail, and surely, there has been some of you out there. Anyone going to Roskilde\quart festival this summer? Then we could have a (scandinavian) meetup there,! I saw NICK CAVE the sec. of may, and I just wanted to tell you all that it was amazing, he`s got such a great voice, he would be worth listening to even without the piano\guitar (whatever). and , one last thing, I have now read my 156 unread sinister mails, and noticed some of you talking about Stina NORDENSTAM, and I just want to say how pleased I was when someone mentioned her name, because she`s just uniqe.(she can come to the scandinavia meetup, beeing sweedish, you know.) ok, that`s it then, just one question, in case anyone from scotland reads this.. where would you apply to art school if you were to choose between Dundee and Glasgow? (pretty obvious what the answear will be, considering this is a belle and sebastian mailing list,,, but I`m seriouse,..anyone..???I`m just wondering. thankyou. > > >hadetbra ..norwegian girl thefilmtheyshowissadandboringdynamitealmostasmilelikethe...thistimejohnyou`llmakeit. >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >+-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ >+-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+-+ "nambling pambling rice pudding & crochet holiday camp +-+ >+-+ gangwanking whimsy-thon" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From PaperSun23 at xxx.com Thu May 13 21:45:24 1999 From: PaperSun23 at xxx.com (PaperSun23 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:45:24 EDT Subject: Sinister:I am a lazy gett..... Message-ID: hello lovely list, I have been away for a while designing a massive CD package and playing shows... Blake, my address is PaperSun23 at aol.com for all your Who info :) How nice it was to turn on my computer and find such wonderful posts! I will write more later, I'm sure but now I must tend to the immediate pressing concerns of my hungry cat! hugs across the board, moon patroller carrie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sleeka_sounds at xxx.com Fri May 14 10:22:27 1999 From: sleeka_sounds at xxx.com (Sleeka Sounds) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 02:22:27 PDT Subject: Sinister: Absinth vs Heroin Message-ID: <19990514092227.19617.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear Scruffy Dogs, Oh, I've been away for a while. With the fairies. Actually I've only just sobered up after bowlie, which was grand altogether thanks. I have a question for the occultists amongst you - If you make a deal with the devil in a dream, is that a real deal he can hold you to? I've so I'm afraid I am damned, so I might as well enjoy myself while I can. With the passing of the great Oliver Reed I feel that I should mount his tackle and continue in his grand drunken and lecherous style. I'd get my willy tattooed as well, if I had one. Today is a historic day of great importance as Miss Julia is currently sitting her last university exam in the whole world ever. To celebrate we shall drink. I have an inkling the tipple of choice will be A B S I N T H either that or we'll just stick to the heroin. Mmm, lovely heroin, you make my back hair stand on end. You make my eyes water and my bunions throb. Here's a joke that will really fox the bastards: Q: Why won't Bugs Bunny feed his pet lemur Irish Stew? A: Because stew hurt lemur, doc! (get it? Stuart Lee Murdoch! get it now?) Och Shut that door, Chris =================================== Visit the Sleeka Sounds Corporation http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~calnd/sleeka/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alan.singfield at xxx.com Fri May 14 12:37:43 1999 From: alan.singfield at xxx.com (Alan Singfield) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:37:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Stuart Murdoch got me banned from Pontins Message-ID: <6357CBA4ECC4D211A67C00805FD787D7065C43@shuban.isoftplc.com> Hello shinishters, As one of the people who *was* there, I will share my experience with you in a hopefully non-cliquey manner... We were leaving on the Monday, so needed to hand our keys in and have the barrier raised to let the car out. There was a Pontins staff member in her little hut, who was doing her level best to ignore us completely. So we waited for a bit, until a skinny guy in a white shirt came over. He took our keys, chucked them into the bin marked "Keys Here" (we had rejected this idea because the bin contained 10 gallons of slime), and raised the barrier. It was only when we were half way down the road that we realised the skinny guy was Stuart Murdoch! And, to add insult to injury, we later heard on John Peel that he was trying to hitch a lift to the station! I hope the lady from Pontins didn't force our sensitive S-M to roll his sleeves up and fish the keys out of the bin... With reference to the top five zones, I don't know which zone our chalet was in, but we did have the most irritating looking monkey as our zone mascot. Keith Harris's Cuddles, eat your heart out. Spanners. >--< +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kissingdom at xxx.net Fri May 14 13:07:33 1999 From: kissingdom at xxx.net (Tony) Date: 14 May 99 13:07:33 BST Subject: Sinister: Secrets and Lies Message-ID: <19990514120733.8381.qmail@nw179.netaddress.usa.net> Spoke to Sam who flyers for Foundation last night and she confirms they have already started organising Bowlie #2 but won't announce it until after Reading... Tony ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Fri May 14 14:09:59 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:09:59 EDT Subject: Sinister: Merchandise Frenzy...... Message-ID: Hey Elle, you are absolutely right! I think exactly the same. :-) Antje +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Niceaction at xxx.com Fri May 14 18:44:12 1999 From: Niceaction at xxx.com (Niceaction at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:44:12 EDT Subject: Sinister: Go Betweens Message-ID: Radio 2 played streets of your town yesterday, and announced that the go betweens (presumably just Forster & McLennan) are going to be on the Billy Bragg show on Saturday on radio 2 from 3-30 to 5-30. Billy has taken the show over for the time being after Johnny Walker was caught being a naughty boy. Take it easy kids Jamie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Scott.Turner at xxx.com Fri May 14 19:36:36 1999 From: Scott.Turner at xxx.com (Scott Turner) Date: 14 May 1999 18:36:36 Z Subject: Sinister: Tomoyuki Tanaka (aka Fantastic Plastic Machine) spins philly Message-ID: <055DF373C6D342AC*/c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/o=email/ou=NotesWREN/s=Turner/g=Scott/@MHS> Quick shout out of philly area sinister cats: Go see Tomoyuki spin at silk city on saturday. He's an absolutely brilliant composer- a godfather of future-pop. Speaking of which, three new albums no popkid should be without: Fantastic Plastic Machine, April March, Girlfrendo. They're all great records. Great links page too at www.marchrecords.com Sorry about the lack of B&S content. .scott +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mariannebratlie at xxx.com Fri May 14 20:06:42 1999 From: mariannebratlie at xxx.com (Marianne Bratlie) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:06:42 PDT Subject: Sinister: a bit of B&S in the end, but otherwise its an european experince. Message-ID: <19990514190644.57425.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: paul sallis >To: Marianne Bratlie >Subject: Re: Sinister: a bit of B&S in the end, but otherwise its an e. > >Where did you see them, and do you know if their >touring in Britain soon? - as I'd love to see em' >again. > I saw him (without the bad seeds) in Bergen, Norway. It was a part of a blues festival, we are a bit strange here in this country, confused when it comes to categorizing music, but I don`t mind as long as the music is good... It was a very special gig, he didn`t have "the bad seeds" with him, but a crazy, but very good chap on a violin, a lady on bass guitar, and a drummer. they were all VERY relaxed. Nick talked to us as we were in his own livingroom, sometimes he took a cigarette, asked the violin player if he cared for some, forgot the songs, turned to the bass-lady,,,asked her how it was again..(the song)-then she would play some, and he remembered it again. I haven`t been really into his music, just heard a couple of songs, bought a tape once, but that was it. But now I`m really going to buy some records, because he`s a genious. Don`t know what it`s called, but the lyrics goes like this: ..you are a little mysterie to me, every time you come around.. come sail your ships... This is my favourite song of the one I knows., what is it called? Thankyou for your replies,(to David Andrew as well) and I think I will have Glasgow as a first choice, I have visited it two weeks ago, Love the Macintosh design.But , the chance of running into my hero Stuart M. is worth it anyway,,(that was the belle and sebastian contence..) I don`t know if Nick will tour in the UK., but I did hear that we were lucky to see him at all, because he was only going to have like four concerts this year, well at least I think I heard so. I might be wrong. Take care!!! PS.Anyone else planning Bowlie 2 already..??? > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.com Fri May 14 20:07:56 1999 From: ian at xxx.com (ian connelly) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:07:56 -0700 Subject: Sinister: dirty dream#2, dog on wheels videos Message-ID: <199905141906.MAA01849@wired.com> just noticed that lance's video for 'dirty dream #2' is now available on sonicnet - go to http://www.sonicnet.com/artistinfo/200106.jhtml and it's right there at the top...hmm, guess i'll have to watch that at lunch.. any chance of getting a vhs copy, lance? 'is it wicked not to care?' doesn't seem to be on sonicnet any longer, but i found it at: http://www.internetv.com/realvideo/belleandsebastianisitwickednottocarerm.htm mind the text-wrap. also: a friend recently gave me a promo copy of a video for 'dog on wheels' from a few years ago -- it's black and white, starring who i believe is a be-hatted, be-scarved mr. murdoch wandering the city streets searching for a dog on wheels, stopping to spray-paint 'v-twin' and 'le pastie de la bourgeoisie' on the occasional blank wall, talking animatedly to schoolgirls, and...going parachuting? well, in a manner of speaking. the slip of paper with the video claimed that it had been made for $200 and was what had 'got belle and sebastian noticed.' anyone know any details? were i to be proficient in producing realvideo i'd post it somewhere for all of you to see... also - thanks, damien!..i got your package yesterday! ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jimgrund at xxx.fr Fri May 14 22:25:45 1999 From: jimgrund at xxx.fr (Jan Imgrund) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:25:45 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Nick Cave is *also*a genius :) In-Reply-To: <19990514190644.57425.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <199905142126.XAA00998@front3.grolier.fr> > ..you are a little mysterie to me, every time you come around.. > come sail your ships... > > This is my favourite song of the one I knows., what is it called? That's "The Ship Song" from the "The Good Son" album. Very nice song indeed. Jan (in contention for shortest posting of the year?) The Dark Site of the Moon: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/index.html Nicht fackeln - brennen! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From DavidJ2502 at xxx.com Fri May 14 22:31:51 1999 From: DavidJ2502 at xxx.com (DavidJ2502 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:31:51 EDT Subject: Sinister: Everybody else is ranting so... Message-ID: <25979ab8.246df047@aol.com> Hello, Lets sort this whole merchandise/Tigermilk thing out now shall we. I met a bloke in the pub this evening who claimed to be an insider with the band- aparently he once gave Mick Cooke a fag or something. Anyway he told me that from now on merchandise will be produced and sold in limited editions of five T-shirts per year and will only be sold to fans who write a short story (min. 5000 words) with the title "The day I bought a Belle and Sebastian T-shirt". As for Tigermilk, that will only be issued to the band and even then only to those whose names have an "a" in them. Sorry, no-one likes a sarcy pants. Surely Jeepsterr are a record company. I don't know how many T-shirts and things they sell but it must be a fair few (lets have a show of hands of how many people have more than one B&S T-shirt... thought so) and the time they take parting us with our hard earned cash takes their attentions away from their other lucrative signings like, er, Snow Patrol. Sorry, Snow Patrol. Just because Jeepster might be maybe thinking of some time perhaps getting another company to do merchandise doesn't mean that we will end up with the official B&S Playstation game or B&S approved genuine Arab Straps (not a bad idea actually). I'm sure the indie-snobs among us won't have to worry about the time when "Study at Stow" shirts do not get funny looks on the streets. Having said that, though, I am mourning the loss of the B&S mugs from the online shop. Boo! I wanted one. Genuinely real fact: My brother made me a coaster for my birthday with a picture of Mark E. Smith on it with the caption "Have a drink on Mark E. Smith." I suppose you had to be there. That's all from me, David J. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Sat May 15 00:24:38 1999 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:24:38 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Too tired to come up with anything witty Message-ID: <199905141924_MC2-75D0-2898@compuserve.com> Hi Sinistereens, C4 Teletext says that Bowlie II will be called All Tomorrow's Parties. I still reckon you shouldn't get too excited about it because I suspect it will be a B&S free zone (and that would definitely be the uncoolest of them all) Looper bit: a while back there was a brief thread concerning an unreleased song about writing a song for Elvis. The song is apparently called Piano Window Piano, & will sadly remain unreleased because its an Impossible Thing to get clearance for an Elvis sample. But: The story from the song is going to be in a collection of poetry and stories released by Hodder&SToughton called Oral. Along with poems and stories by Nick Cave and Jarvis and Shane McGowan. Thanks to STuart for the info. Honey, I like Stina Nordenstam too, or at least I like Little Star a lot. Another debt to Mark'n'Lard's Graveyard Shift. David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alanrollo at xxx.com Sat May 15 00:51:55 1999 From: alanrollo at xxx.com (Ickle Al - Glitter Guy) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Too tired to come up with anything witty Message-ID: <19990514235155.21838.rocketmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Well, after many Tommy Pickle from Rugrats style attempts at getting out of the nursery I'm now finally out.... Being new to the list (and just generally not knowing very much about anything) I really don't know what to say........ I've been waiting evr since Bowlie to say something, and now I can I can't think of what to say!! For people wondering I am the same sad little Al that appealed for some friends on the Bowlie noticeboard at Bowlie........ not that it made any difference. :o( Still I had a great time though..... :o) ummm... errrr... sorry to have wasted your time with this stupid message... loads of love Al xxxxxxxxxxxxxx === ************************************************************ "I think therefore I am confused" ************************************************************ _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stunted_murdoch at xxx.com Sat May 15 02:30:28 1999 From: stunted_murdoch at xxx.com (Murdoch The Stunted) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:30:28 -0400 Subject: Sinister: no more smelly diapers Message-ID: <199905150130.VAA07054@web2.chek.com> Hello all of you, I`m out of the nursery now, yes i`m free..but strangely I don`t have a lot to say. Th others weren`t nice to me in the nursery, they said I smelled real bad and had an awful lot of facial hair for a baby. I`ve been a Belle And Sebastian fan for quite a while,(and yes,I do own Tigermilk,but funny story- i did something a little strange with it,not necessarily strange,but something I felt was right)but due to the lack of technology around here (I live in a cave,no seriously,I really do,it`s not what you`d think) I am just starting to embrace technology, so I`ve been amusing myself by looking around through this sinister home and the gallery.My my, aren`t you all a tasty lot? It gets awful lonely round these parts.You`re all just a dream for this lonely sea dog!That and those crazy tales. Well so far,from what I`ve seen,this list is simply the bee`s knees,but I guess you kids don`t use that expression anymore, har har! I suppose an introduction would be good, age and all that,but I`m much older than all of you "young `uns". I just wanted to say that I got Chris`s joke (the lemur irish stew one) without having to look down farther and have the real meaning revealed to me. Don`t be too rough on me now, Iain Signup for your free Virtual Countries E-mail address at http://www.scotland.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.uk Sat May 15 13:19:13 1999 From: ian at xxx.uk (ian) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:19:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: orange Message-ID: <00e201be9ece$eb6ea0a0$7811883e@default> hello not the most original introduction, but its saturday and the sun isn't shining. turns out i got kicked out of the nursery three days ago and i didn't even notice. its strange how things sneak up on you when you are fast asleep. i joined the list the day after i came back from bowlie. partly to blether about bowlie, because just about everybody i know was sick of hearing about it. now you are all sick of hearing about it too. i met some people from sinister at bowlie, which was how i found you all...they were sitting on top of a sand dune on sunday morning, waiting for the sun to come up. we had staggered off to the beach after the flaming lips and a second night of northern soul, in the dark, scared of the ghost-bushes that lurk either side of the sand dunes. we stayed a while, chatting to people in the dark, and then climbed up a sand-dune to play frisbee. as if by magic, the sinister people appeared. there was a bloke called jim who we saw later at the b&s gig. he gave my fainting friend some water to pour over her tits. it helped a lot...and i was thankful because if it was a choice between my friend lying in a heap on the floor in the middle of a gig, and me missing belle and sebastian then..well...i'd have just had to hope she didn't get trampled too badly. the people in the chalet nextdoor to us had those t-shirts with the bus on...the ones we tried to order on the internet and couldn't get...grrrr.....they put them in their window one night and so we tried to compete. but the only thing we had to compete with was a copy of the nme. we cut a picture of this mad starey geezer out of the paper and stuck that in the window with some glitter glue. we thought it was rasputin. turns out the man was from the cover of electronic's new album. worse, it wasn't rasputin, its actually the son of sam, a serial killer. nice. the next day they had windmills. all we had was a yellow and pink microphone from the kit kat cafe. i truly believe that if we'd stayed there for a week they would have had their very own eiffel tower erected on the roof of their chalet (despite the fact that they were on the ground floor). we would probably have had a sand-castle. perhaps with a few decorative shells on top. which electronic would have stolen for their next album cover. twas groovy anyway. and i met some great people. but enough of that now. on with your lives. ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tjohn at xxx.uk Sat May 15 14:16:00 1999 From: tjohn at xxx.uk (Timothy Roberts) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 14:16:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: "its not a deal breaker, but i would like to know" Message-ID: <000f01be9ed5$2b70fbc0$4853883e@Poberts> on the subject of the next bowlie, dawn of the replicants were on beat patrol last weekend, and they said they were playing, as well as having a laugh with the presenter about the general concept of the thing. i dont know what they were getting at, arent they supposed to live in caves or something. least thats the impression i get from their records. i think "wilfully obtuse" is the phrase. yeah, but the new albums a grower. all those strange noises get qquite endearing after a while. anyway, i doubt the appearance of DOTR would swing it one way or the other for anyone considering going,but i just thought id mention it. from tjohn. (did you clock the new email adress? im moving up in the world...) its an alan partridge reference, you cultureless heathens. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pbelinsk at xxx.net Sat May 15 14:41:05 1999 From: pbelinsk at xxx.net (pbelinsk at xxx.net) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 09:41:05 -0400 Subject: Sinister: When I get no mail... Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990515094105.007be290@mail.northernway.net> I try to be on good terms with my inbox. It sends me nice things, I read them to myself, pat my monitor on its head, and wait for it to give me more. But the weekend! Oh dear, when I find myself checking my mail the most, there is the least. My dear Eudora has a cough now from searching searching searching for new mail... and there is none. None but a few spams telling me how to make a cable descrambler box. I do have a few things to say though (which I will conveniently number so I don't lose track) 1. Reading my mail... reading my mail... Stina Nordenstam, blah blah blah Stina nordenstam bloo bloo bloo... Stina.. OH! LITTLE STAR!! Stina NORDenstam! Somehow I heard Little Star on the (deep breath) Romeo and Juliet soundtrack (exhale) and ooooohh, I thought it was so nice. But i didn't look to see who it was by. I searched for "Little Star" on the UBL and it gave me crazy things by the Supremes and the Temptations. I knew that wasn't right. Now I know now I know! 2. Is it wicked not to care (that someone is turnin' a profit)? Absolutely not! But of course the other side must be allowed to speak too. Opinions are opinions are opinions, and if saying them out loud makes you selfish, well then... My take on the looming bigness of Belle and Sebastian is this: I think that it isn't snobbery and selfishness. It isn't that we (and i am using "we" to mean "me") want them to stay small because we are selfish. If everyone in the world could love it that would be fabulous! Imagine the picnics! But if B&S were all over the place then people would be listening to them because of a good review or they like stu's arms of sex or whatever, and if they rushed out and bought an album for aesthetic reasons they might not like it at all. And then they might say mean things about them. I see it as a seventh grade math problem. If 100% of the listeners like them right now and we add a solution with 35% happy listeners, 38% lukewarm listeners, and 27% unhappy listeners... Some are complaining, some only like one or two songs, some are still swooning. What if the band was to get discouraged and not play for us anymore? Last week everyone was talking about how they found the lyrics + music to be emotional and whatnot. And listening to it is somewhat of a religious experience for lots of folks. I don't quite know what I want to say, because I want to say it without sounding the way I fear it will sound. When someone who only moderately likes Belle and Sebastian wears a Study at Stow shirt, do you not think that it has been sullied by his/her tepidness? I do. It probably isn't the *correct* way to think and may sound mean and unwelcoming. I protest! I only want unreceptive people to stay away. I don't begrudge anyone the opportunity to make money or listen to beautiful music. And its only my opinion. I do not think that by expressing it I am being selfish, nor were the people who started the thread. 3. Where did the rest of the footer go? 4. Jeepster website: what on earth is that font? I see nothing but the greek alphabet and must copy and paste to elsewhere to read it. Oh, why does amazon.com say that Tigermilk can be bought as an import, as it has been released May 4th? Silly. looking at the reviews someone said this about Belle and Sebastian (which quite made me laugh): Brad W. (bradleyw at usa.net) from Chicago IL USA , December 28, 1998 This Is One Star Too Many ...People, people -- Belle & Sebastian is flat out boring, and they are musical thieves to boot (unless Lou Reed is collecting royalties...) And perhaps most offensively, Belle & Sebastian's fan club members gather for picnics before their shows. Picnics! If that doesn't tell you what kind of jelly-filled danishes gravitate towards Belle & Sebastian's music, nothing will... (the end) I don't think that jelly-filled danishes is the worst thing to be called. so nyaaaa Brad W. 5. Goodbye! molly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Sat May 15 15:00:35 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:00:35 EDT Subject: Sinister: Select Message-ID: <7653095d.246ed803@aol.com> Hi! Has anyone noticed that the magazine Select seems to turn into a B & S fanzine? Not only do they feature the band (or their fans :-)) in almost every issue, but here's what I found while reading the album reviews in the latest issue: Arab Strap - Mad for sadness Stuart Murdoch is usually associated with pastoral whimsy rather than deft character assassination, but "The boy with the arab strap" immortalised Strap mumbler Aidan Moffat as a drunken, masturbatory baboon ... Ben Folds Five - The Unauthorised Biography of Reinhold Messner Knowing vaudevillian pop with pathos, this has enough stylised repression for Belle & Sebastian fans to become closet admirers ... The Go-Betweens - Bella Vista Should show B & S fans that arty acoustica had a previous form ... The Lilac Time - Looking for a day in the night Stephen reportedly bought 20 copies of Belle & Sebastian's "Tigermilk" album when it came out and gave them all to friends ... Luna - The days of our nights It's a safe bet that Luna's entire UK fanbase was assembled for their set at Belle & Sebastian's Bowlie Weekender last month ... Well, that's all I found but I didn't read all the reviews. Bye Antje +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com Sat May 15 17:24:44 1999 From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 12:24:44 EDT Subject: Sinister: what's happened to the list crush site? Message-ID: <2f9570b.246ef9cc@aol.com> Dear sinistereens: help! the list crush site appears to not be working. Did it move when I wasn't looking? I've gotten several mysterious letters from www.thespark.com telling me someone likes me. allegedly you enter the email addresses of those you like, and if they've listed you under people THEY like, a match is made, and it notifies you. Just like cruising someone at a bar, only you don't have to look at them, and if they don't fancy you, no harm done. anyway, i was going to cleverly use the list crush site to see if anyone voted for me, thus narrowing down the field of people who could be responsible for those letters. Belle and Sebastian content: I'm looking for tapes of any B&S shows out there. (other than the black sessions) Does anyone have any they'd like to send to me? I'll either tape the Black sessions for you, or send money, whichever. The one i'm most interested in would of course be Bowlie; i'd love to hear the stirring rendition of "The kids are alright" but any show will do. Remember; i compensate. dave* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From windisch24 at xxx.com Sat May 15 21:10:32 1999 From: windisch24 at xxx.com (mike windisch) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:10:32 PDT Subject: Sinister: worked the clock around Message-ID: <19990515201032.88026.qmail@hotmail.com> hello all, during a sunny day rummage through a church bazaar, i aquired a school year's worth of children's reading books circa 1974. Besides the youthful characters of all colors sporting indie gear and having wholesome adventures like 'the bus trip' and 'the bicycle ride', the content is heavy with messages of tolerance ('the odd pup' is clearly a poof), and lots of tender small word rhymes (a la Stuart M). Maybe it's been pre-ordained, or I've just got B&S on the brain, these little primers are perfect illustrations of many B&S songs. 'Gumdrop' and Judy and the dream jibe perfectly and the boy girl band in 'the hammer and the drum' have to be what the duo belle and sebastian the look like. As such, they will soon be converted into keepsake zines for distribution at the New York and Boston gigs and at the new england picnic should it ever occur. This little tale of my recent auisitions has two points. The simpler is a basic call for any sinisters to be on the lookout for similarlly precious children's books to help my collection of these great little artifacts grow (and maybe so I can have some more foreign language study aids) The second is so I can weigh in on this merchandising flap. If we all want B&S paraphernalia, why not just make some like the baltimore lass who sent me those great spring break stickers. I'm sure most people who wear B&S in their hearts can play with words and pictures well enough to fabricate something suitable to wear on their sleeves. Plus if we gift or trade them with one another, no profit results, and no jeepster artwork is appropriated, it should be on the legal up and up, and come with the added bonus of exclusitivity (should that be a desire) I'm glad to see the flaming lips getting appreciated, they were near to the heart of mystic in times past, but have recently gone unheard in these environs. Perhaps a second helping is required here. fyi about the subject header: publishing deadlines being much less inflexible than university (ie no extensions) and my last minute workstyle still prone to extensions, I was forced into that most ufortunate club of those who have literally worked the clock around with nary a hour of leisure or sleep. Though napping under the desk much more perferable than in the cop shop, which was another recent indignity but another story alltogether. last bit: should anyone have any B&S live tapes, and like the make up, perhaps we can exchange your tape for mine which features all the hits off of I Want Some and a half dozen new songs and some of snippets of my interview with ian sevionus. sweet dreams kitties mike _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From willy.robertson at xxx.com Sat May 15 22:11:01 1999 From: willy.robertson at xxx.com (william robertson) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 14:11:01 -0700 Subject: Sinister: I'm feeling a wee bit sinister Message-ID: Hello, I'm new so please be gentle. My name is Willy, I'm 18, I'm from Perth in Scotland, I play guitar in a band and I'm doing 'Sound Engineering' at College. Richard Colburn and Tony Doogan have both done the course as well...sorry for the name drop but first impressions count and I'm trying to look cool (even though I'm not) I quite liked being in the nursery 'cause it felt like I was reading someone's diary but it was a bit frustrating. But, now that I'm out I'm finding it hard to think of interesting things to say. I first got into B&S when I saw the video for Lazy Line-Painter Jane on MTV's Alternative Nation. I went out and bought it straight away and after a few weeks I was hooked. I wasn't at Bowlie 'cause I couldn't afford it and I'm very jealous of anyone who went. I'm going to go now but before I do I'll tell you some of my favourite bands:- Talking Heads, the Delgados, Arab Strap, Mogwai, Radiohead, Herbie Hancock, Pavement, Supergrass, the Beatles, Miles Davis, Massive Attack, Portishead, Bjork, Roni Size, Talvin Singh....I can't think of any more, so I'll get 'me' coat. --- >From Willy __________________________________________________________________ Get your own free England E-mail address at http://www.england.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.net Sat May 15 23:12:07 1999 From: honey at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 23:12:07 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: When I get no mail... In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990515094105.007be290@mail.northernway.net> Message-ID: Molly said: > 3. Where did the rest of the footer go? and also said, quoting a "Brad": > If that doesn't tell you what kind of > jelly-filled danishes gravitate towards Belle & Sebastian's music, nothing > will... The answer to the first is that Bowlie's over - and therefore any gangwanking whimsy-thon possibilities are over, surely. Well that's what the NME were referring too, but if someone knows of such a whimsy-thon taking part which I haven't been invited to please let me know, I'm very keen on that sort of thing. The second quote above of course has given me something new to put in the footer: I'm always thrilled when someone sums us all up so succinctly and all the quotes in the footers are exactly that, from various different sources. It's like looking in a mirror isnt it? Oh and welcome to everyone who's just joined this list "From Another Place" :) Take a seat, have a nice cup of tea, be happy here. Can I say that I'm a bit baffled by a thread on the list at the moment, the one where people are saying "how could you accuse B&S of selling out and begrudge them their success?". This seems to be a reaction to someone somewhere on this list claiming the band or record company have sold out by either (a) doing merchandising and/or (b) stopping doing merchandising. Problem is I've searched and can't see the original post that supposedly DID claim someone somewhere was selling out. So I don't know what all these mails are reacting to. I know we expect someone somewhere around us to be elitist, but this list bar a few visitors from Mars has always been blessedly free of such stuff, and we've had these discussions a load of times before. Finally someone asked where the Poetry Parrot had got to - very good point. For everyone who landed on Planet Sinister since the poetry parrot took flight never to be seen again, every Monday someone used to send a poem in, and then set the parrot free from his/her window in the direction of the next victim, who did the same the following Monday. It went missing clearly traumatised soon after having to deliver a particularly foul-mouthed note from a Ms Lulu Kerr - she was a head girl, you know. Anyway it was Mr Stevie Trouser's parrot, so I hereby beseech him to get another and send it on. If that proves impossible or tedious, maybe he could look down the pet shop for Polly's evil cousin the Porno Parrot, who will deliver erotic literature from each listee in turn to really start our week off with a bang. I'd better go because I've sounded just a bit grumpy and tired haven't I? Next week is "Everyone On Sinister Phone In Sick Week" so we'll stay in bed and eat jam sandwiches all day together ok? honey x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alanrollo at xxx.com Sun May 16 00:10:59 1999 From: alanrollo at xxx.com (Ickle Al - Glitter Guy) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 16:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: If we took away the sky where would all the birds fit in to things on earth? Message-ID: <19990515231059.10787.rocketmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Hi ya! :ox > Oh and welcome to everyone who's just joined this > list "From Another > Place" :) Take a seat, have a nice cup of tea, be > happy here. Thank you! > Next week is "Everyone On Sinister Phone > In Sick Week" so > we'll stay in bed and eat jam sandwiches all day > together ok? Sounds like fun, I wonder if I can get my mummy to phone up college for me and say I'm ill! Don't think she'll do it somehow! Is anyone else going to see Delirous? at Brixton Academy or My Life Story at the LA2 ? I doubt it. I've now been renamed as Sebastian by the people in Beano's record store, Croydon, 'cos when I got back from Bowlie I went straight there, before I went home even, to ask if they had any B&S albums for sale. They didn't. I then spent the next hour and a half telling the complete strangers behind the till all about what great fun Bowlie was...... ever since they've called me Sebastian.... ho humm...... just wondering, is there a name for B&S fans in the way that My Life Story fans are known as Sparklers? Sorry for the non-B&S content.... Hope I haven't bored you too much...... hugs and snogs for those that want them, Al xxxxxxxxxxxxxx === ************************************************************ "I think therefore I am confused" ************************************************************ _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From zoe.parsons at xxx.uk Sun May 16 01:01:12 1999 From: zoe.parsons at xxx.uk (janetzx) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 01:01:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: not very b&s Message-ID: <001c01be9f2f$35952a40$52b501a3@stu082.sjc.ox.ac.uk> I've been clicking round the archives looking for the atrocities that scared the poetry parrot away (unsuccessfully) but i did find a beautiful thread of misheard lyrics i too thought i knew why he and the midget didn't see eye to eye....you know it makes sense.... my mum used to think "brim-ful of asha on the 45" was "green cool and natural on the 45" she also humiliated me when my friends got together for a rocky horror evening by belting out "the time walk" at top volume.... luv janetzx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From brennan at xxx.uk Sun May 16 11:43:18 1999 From: brennan at xxx.uk (Brennan) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 11:43:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Rant Message-ID: <000201be9fa1$42dec7c0$3411883e@rcspo> Stuart's Staying in and he thinks its a sin that he has to leave the house at all. Why the big hoo-haa about Jeepster selling stuff. Do you buy Spice Girls merchandise from Virgin? Or Bluetones stuff from their record company? A record company should be there to make records and their reason for stopping selling crappy indie badges (ok, and some useful stuff too) is perfectly legitimate. It's like berating McDonalds for not making the whole of their business selling ice cream. Jeepster is a record label and to get anywhere it needs bands. Now maybe some companies can survive on 2 or 3 lines of products, some even survive on only one but a record label in this day and age has to have more than 3 different bands (I'm not counting B&S spinoffs). It's not as if they'll never sell records ever again. Anyway, enough of a ran. I went to Our Price a few weeks ago to ask about Tigermilk, so the bird at the counter looked up on the computer thing about it. It said it was released for a week at the end of February then deleted on something like march 4th. So what's going on? Why has it taken this long? Oliver +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkolmar at xxx.com Sun May 16 21:28:23 1999 From: mkolmar at xxx.com (Mark Kolmar) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:28:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Sinister: When I get no mail... In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990515094105.007be290@mail.northernway.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 May 1999 pbelinsk at northernway.net wrote: > Brad W. (bradleyw at usa.net) from Chicago IL USA , December 28, 1998 > [...] And perhaps most offensively, Belle & Sebastian's fan club > members gather for picnics before their shows. Picnics! If that > doesn't tell you what kind of jelly-filled danishes gravitate towards > Belle & Sebastian's music, nothing will... (the end) Jelly-filled Danishes? OK, "Le Plat Pays" by Jacques Brel brings a tear to my eye. And admittedly, I like Saint Etienne, or the Field Mice to a lesser degree. To enjoy "twee-ness", however, is not the same as to be "twee". I'll play him the first side of Throbbing Gristle's _2nd Annual Report_, followed by "The Wrong Name and the Wrong Number" by Mark Stewart, and then "Wing Over" from Merzbow. (This combination could scare off heavy-drinking metalheads as well as the guy in the mosh pit with the big green mohawk.) Then afterwards we'll see who is first to wander off, mumbling to himself nonsensically. --Mark __ Burning Rome : SENSELESS CD on Mindfield Records MindCD03 Cathartium 14 > Distributed by Dutch East India Trading, Com Four, and Carrot Top < < http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome > < MP3 & RealAudio tracks > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From painbirds at xxx.com Sun May 16 23:56:22 1999 From: painbirds at xxx.com (Craig-Lee Thompson) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:56:22 PDT Subject: Sinister: Melbourne Picnic: Been there, done that... Message-ID: <19990516225622.1485.qmail@hotmail.com> I would have posted yesterday, however, my eyes were a little weary and my mind a little stale. For what? Well a good cause I think. Thank you to all those B&S fans who turned up at the Nightcat, or later at Supermarket and especially those who completed the double. I hope you found the night as entertaining as did I. Guess I will bump into all at gigs in the near future (such as Underground Lovers at P.O.W, can't wait for that one, 4th June)so until then, audios... Craig-Lee ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From painbirds at xxx.com Sun May 16 23:58:30 1999 From: painbirds at xxx.com (Craig-Lee Thompson) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:58:30 PDT Subject: Sinister: Melbourne Picnic: Been there, done that... Message-ID: <19990516225831.33222.qmail@hotmail.com> I would have posted yesterday, however, my eyes were a little weary and my mind a little stale. I did get up at 8.30am on Sunday morning but rectified the situation by going to bed at 8.00pm Sunday night. For what? Well a good cause I think. Thank you to all those B&S fans who turned up at the Nightcat (of which few wore their dancing shoes, shy or not moved by the rhythm??), or later at Supermarket (where all danced to familiar aural experiences)and especially those who completed the double. I hope you found the night as entertaining as did I. Guess I will bump into all at gigs in the near future (such as Underground Lovers at P.O.W, can't wait for that one, 4th June)so until then, audios... Craig-Lee ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ol01 at xxx.uk Mon May 17 01:17:35 1999 From: ol01 at xxx.uk (The Narrow Wizard) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 01:17:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: happy for a day Message-ID: hello people thought I'd tell you a story about what happened to me last night I was in the student union (stirling uni) at a so called indie night and was dancin away to early Charlatans and stuff which was good but then I got a bit bored so I went to the DJ and said to him "dont take this the wrong way but have you got any indie stuff recorded after 92?" He laughed and then said "No....actually I do have belle and sebastian but nobody ever dances to it" Well I showed him the TBWTAS that I was wearing under my hooded top and I begged and I pleaded but he wouldn't play it for me. So what I did was I got him to play Bang from the Blur album leisure and then I wandered off. About 10 minutes later I had a great idea...I went back to the DJ and asked him if he wanted a copy of Tigermilk. When he said yes I demanded that he play Get Me Away From Here I'm Dying for me in order to get a copy. He did this and when he played it lots of people screamed and ran on to the dance floor and started jumping about with me and smiling a lot and one girl hugged me and another started rubbing my T-shirt and I was very happy. I'm still happy now and will be for a little while longer 'cos I've just been given my voice in here but I'm getting a taste for this happiness thing now and so I need you all to mail me at either ol01 at students.stir.ac.uk or owen at belleandsebastian.org and then I will stay happy and if I'm happy then I'll keep you all amused with my silly antics. have a good one and have one for me owen With that the narrow wizard waggled his bushy eyebrows and disappeared in a flash of blue flame leaving behind only a faint smell of cinnamon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From popjourno at xxx.nl Mon May 17 08:07:06 1999 From: popjourno at xxx.nl (alex tobin) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:07:06 +0200 Subject: Sinister: bloody thieves! Message-ID: <373FC019.8D578CE1@tobin.demon.nl> Brad W. wrote: ...People, people -- Belle & Sebastian is flat out boring, and they are musical thieves to boot (unless Lou Reed is collecting royalties...) Lou Reed? Can I now assume that the next album will be B&S's very own version of 'Metal Machine Music' or loaded with references to veins, heroin, and the Dirty Boulevards of Falkirk? Seriously folks... Nick Drake, Love, the Field Mice, Tindersticks, Lou Reed? Hehe... Where will it end?!! Surely it can't be a crime - it would be unnatural - not to be, in some shape or form, influenced by certain bands and musical styles. We all know Oasis have become 'I am the Walrus' types and that certain Parklife-era Blur songs are reminiscent of Kinks output (hell, the Beatles freely admitted that Chuck Berry, Lttle Richard, etc. were paramount in their musical development in early days), and it must be extremely difficult for budding songwriters with a love of music to actually chuck out all of the music they listened to in the past and come up with their very own unique sound. As a sometimes writer for several German music mags, I often catch colleagues - when describing new releases - to write something along the lines of 'album sounds like a cross between x and y', thereby namechecking other acts in order to better describe new releases. Often, this is just lazy journalism; often, deadlines are looming and we have to get 'something in' for the next issue... So, now I'm curious about further Lou Reed connections... Is Isobel the Nico of the band? Should we make Stevie the John Cale to Stuart's Lou? Who will fulfill the role of Andy Warhol (any takers out there?)? Likewise Bowie or Iggy Pop (Aidan Moffat?)... Ah well, it's early - too early - yet, and I'm starting to rant. I'd better leave that up to others here and sign off for now. Your very own satellite of love Alex http://www.popjourno.com a new mailing list for music, film, literature, art, travel, and ranting in general +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ThisSffrng at xxx.com Mon May 17 08:13:14 1999 From: ThisSffrng at xxx.com (ThisSffrng at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 03:13:14 EDT Subject: Sinister: thegentlewaves Message-ID: seriously. i adore the gentle waves. this cd is incredibly soo well done, and I can't get over Isobel's darling voice. is there anyone who owns the limited 7" and willing to tape it for me? please email!! cheers all! xoxox carlos +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Sun May 16 22:12:54 1999 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 23:12:54 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Interstellar Novar Drive! Message-ID: <01be9fe0$ded8e680$LocalHost@itjfvkli> I know where the Poetry Parrot went. Brad had it last. It doesn't bear thinking about. I couldn't give two hoots of a baa lamb's tail whether BEEPSTER do B&S merchandise or not. To be quite frank, the t-shirts were rather poor quality, and make me look like I've got big jugs. But I am looking forward to the new generation of BEEPSTER recording artistes. Who knows? Maybe they'll discover someone to eclipse even Snow Patrol! I've been reading The Economist, all about the future, when we'll all be downloading albums from the Internet and playing them on special machines implanted up our bottoms, connected to specially trained octopus headphones with suction pad speaker systems. Perhaps we'll be able to download merchandise too, such as iron-on transfers and saliva-propelled tattoos. It'll be great. The only negative aspect I can see is the closing down of every single record shop in the world. I took this as a hint to go out and buy as many albums as possible while I still can. I started out with Jimi Hendrix Live at the Fillmore East. I can't say I'm overly thrilled about it, apart from our old friend Chip Taylor's magnificent "Wild Thing, You Make Everything Groovy". But I'm very thrilled by "Good Times" by Chic. I urge you all to rush out and buy it before all the record shops in the world close down and you haven't got anything to do on Saturday mornings anymore. Thank you FunkySeb for your kind words of kindness that you so kindly wrote concerning Pedro Juan in Trousercuts. I'm afraid I can't answer all your questions, because it's a secret. But I can assure you that there are NO mistakes in Trousercuts, the greatest fanzine of all time. Rumour has it that Manda Rin is so jealous, she's put all that weight back on again. Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Mon May 17 09:44:45 1999 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:44:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Jeldi Jeldi! Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E2266FAC2@server1.HITEntertainment.com> Hello tigers, By the time I've read my weekend digests I forget all the things I wanted to say about them... Oh yes...the *thing* that spurred on all the letters about merchandising was a rumour that Jeepster would STOP doing the merchandise. It seems that this is a true rumour, but, I am guessing, all it means is that someone else who can devote themselves full-time to t-shirts and embossed nail-clippings will handle it all, leaving Jeepster more time to get sweaty about Snow Patrol. Um. Does anyone else find themselves imagining that at some time at least one of B&S may feel like setting up their own record label? Or perhaps it's already happened and I'm being slow. Watch this space regardless... The porno parrot sounds like a spanking good idea. I for one took "Delta of Venus" to Bowlie at the *specific* orders of Madam Isobel, and even displayed it in our chalet window, but no-one knocked on the door and asked if they could take it for a "read". I also once had the ignominy, when I was working for my mum, to be sent to a bookshop to pick up a sample of A.N. Roquelaure's oeuvre. Happily bouncing up to the assistant, I asked for some samples of this mysterious scribe, only to be led by the blushing girl to the "filth" section, whereby I purchased a book called "The Taming of Sleeping Beauty", in which a rather wimpish young lady gets repeatedly tied up and spanked and just occasionally penetrated, although her male chum gets a statue's phallus in his bottom (cf. Nick Dastoor) and all kinds of dodgy oral shenanigans. Ta Mum. I also think that a B&S computer game sounds like an even better idea. I'm too dull and unimaginative to think of how it could all pan out - perhaps The Wonderful Mind of PJMiller could help us out here - but the option of controlling Stuart (guitar-wielding warrior elf) or Richard (master of invisibility) is too appealing an opportunity to miss... And finally - nice to see a music journalist or two in the nursery - business or pleasure, gentlemen? If it's gossip you're after, why, I hope you don't think we talk about that kind of thing here! Tssk. Bye chickens, Your loving Mark xxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kissingdom at xxx.net Mon May 17 10:09:42 1999 From: kissingdom at xxx.net (Tony) Date: 17 May 99 10:09:42 BST Subject: Sinister: If we took away the sky where would all the birds fit in ? Message-ID: <19990517090942.17828.qmail@nw173.netaddress.usa.net> >Is anyone else going to see My Life Story at the LA2 ? Maybe, I had a love affair with MLS around '94 back when Helen Caddich was still amoungst them but after her departure things seem to have gone rapidly downhill. Whilst she went on to do the arrangements for Micheal Head's 'The Magical World of The Strands' Jake seems to have seriously lost the plot. If anyone is going my friend Sam (she of Foundation) is doing the T-shirt stall this tour following the departure of the long-suffering and much loved Claire. So say hello and buy her a drink and maybe she'll dish the dirt on Shakey Jake. Low were magical almost as good as Red House Painters last year, Smog were fine too, lots of B&S badges, though none presented in the inverted tradition denoting a sinisterette. One of them presented me with a flyer for a club they run in Oxford every Wednesday called 'Strange Fruit' strangefruit at matter.dircon.co.uk playing B&S, Mogwai, Field Mice ect. Go-Betweens at the Jazz Cafe tonight and Pernice Bros @ The Garage tomorrow, who needs sleep anyways ... Tony ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnk at xxx.gr Mon May 17 10:33:36 1999 From: johnk at xxx.gr (John Koliopanos) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:33:36 +0300 Subject: Sinister: site update / marine research peel session broadcast tomorrow! (delete if not interested) Message-ID: <373FE26F.684D7B36@flash.gr> Erm, just a quick note to say that we've done a bit of an overhaul of our Marine Research website. You can find it at http://members.xoom.com/MR_98 and it's best viewed with Netscape. On a related note, I thought some people might like to know that tomorrow's Peel show will include Marine Research's first session feat. four songs that won't be on the album, incl. a duet with David Gedge (Weddoes, Cinerama) and their new single (i.e. the one that will be released after the debut album). I would be grateful if anyone could tape it, by the way. Take care and sorry to clog the list. John +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tigermilker at xxx.com Mon May 17 12:49:14 1999 From: tigermilker at xxx.com (Tigermilker .) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:49:14 BST Subject: Sinister: Tribute band (don't laugh) Message-ID: <19990517114915.54429.qmail@hotmail.com> Howdy ho. *****TIGERMILK SPOTTED****** My roving spies report to me that Avalanche in Edinburgh have an original Tigermilk and are inviting offers over �200. Just in case you wanted to know, and you probably didn't. I know that my overdraft would cough it's last if I were to even *think* about it. But I am going to go in this afternoon and gaze longingly at it, and maybe even touch it if the nice man will let me. I wonder if I could get my photo taken with it too? On the subject of Tigermilk, I know three naughty people who each have a one and have neglected to register them on the Sinister site. Naughty, naughty, BAD people. Aaaaaany way, enough of that, I am really writing to try and find people. Not any people, mind, they must have a specific talent. Promise you won't laugh? OK. If you were at the Gentle Waves gig in Glasgow, you may have recieved a flyer for a Belle and Seb tribute band, called 'Smell and the Bastian', looking for folk to play in the band. Now, I was not responsible for those flyers, but I did get one, and the idea tickled me greatly. So I phoned the chap whose number was on the flyer, and offered my services as a potential Jevie Stackson. The chap, whose name I forget, has apparently recorded some four-tracks of himself doing B&S songs, sent them to the band, and asked what they thought about the idea of a tribute band. Now, I don't know whether this is true or not, it may be a vicious lie - please don't sue me, but he claims to have received a phone call from none other than Stew hurt Lemur Doc telling him to go ahead. Now, as you can imagine, he wants to do this thing properly if it is going to be done at all. The idea is to form a band that will gig around Glasgow or further afield. The idea is not to make stacks of cash - enough for PA's and transport would be fine. He wants to do it mainly for a laugh, and not as part of some great career plan. To do this, he is going to need a few musicians. This is where we come in. So far, he has himself cast in the Stu M. role, and has a Stu D. to handle bass-swinging duties. What he is looking for just now, is people who know how to play, properly, the licks on Lead Guitar, Keyboards and Drums. This is what he considers to be the essentials for the core of a band, other roles would be appreciated too. Now I would quite like to fill the lead guitar role, but he would like more than one applicant for the post. You don't have to look like your alter-ego - just as well, because I would need 3 foot stilts, black hair dye and a perm. And the Stuart David is female(!) - but it would be an advantage if you have good quality kit, live in the Glasgow area, and are available to practise and gig this summer. Think about it for a bit, you know it would be a good laugh. Anyway, if you think you fill the bill, then mail me and I'll put you in touch with the chap. I'm a bit wary of displaying his home phone number without his knowledge, so that seems the best idea. Thats all. Ciao for nao, Marky. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Mon May 17 13:39:34 1999 From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:39:34 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: bloody thieves! In-Reply-To: <373FC019.8D578CE1@tobin.demon.nl> Message-ID: Hey kids! You know, I've just realised how much it gets on my tits when people say how one band sounds like another. I suppose it's okay for sweetpaper sized reviews when you just have to sum someone up but I think the thing I listen for in a band is the bit that makes them different, not the same and it's hard to capture this. Like trying to catch a frog in a bag. I suppose I do it myself though, but I always feel a bit ham-fisted and lazy making comparisons. So I've been sitting here and trying to work out how to sum up Belle and Sebastian without making references to Nick Drake or Felt or anyone, and it's difficult not to. I suppose that's why people do it. The best I could come up with is folk-pop-skiffle. A friend of mine calls it school piano music, which I think is pretty accurate. Oh dear, I'm bored and now I'm afraid I'm being boring so I'll go. I think I'll have a cheese sandwich. Mmmm... Bye Robin xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From u02nim at xxx.uk Mon May 17 19:03:58 1999 From: u02nim at xxx.uk (Iain McGilp) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Fash Mag Slags Message-ID: OK kids... I've had my voice for quite sometime now, but have only now felt compelled to post anything, being as I am currently fired by a righteous and heartfelt fury. Basically, what this tower of waffle boils down to is a recent article in a "lifestyle" (for lifestyle read pretentious london-centric wank) mag which goes by the name of Sleazenation. (I note that Fluffy Sarah recently left a post in which she seemed to find said rag endearingly pretentious. I sadly cannot share her sense of humour about this titanic pile o' pish). Aside from treating music as some inane fashion accessory, and utilising THE most emaciated models that I have ever seen; it is their sickeningly superior attitude that really gets on my wick (a recent issue featured an article on "vile clubbing", which is apparently the new "in thing", where you dress up in your frigging Carharrt and Hysteric Glamour and go to provincial nightclubs and laugh at all the plebs who don't listen exclusively to Mo'Wax and Ninja Tune records, cos imagine being soooo uncool as to not live in Swinging London). Hence imagine my sense of foreboding when I noted that their latest issue featured a related piece on "vile clubbing" at "200 Troubled Teenagers", written by someone called Matthias Connor (I don't know why, but the guy's name just makes me think of one of those wanks with goatees and sideys who wears shades with yellow lenses). The content was pretty much what I expected, with references to "painfully shy mousy girls", "fey duffle-coat clad boys" and "the least offensive music known to man" (this from people who champion a load of noodly jazz-hop shite with saxophone solos played by white boys from the home counties who wish they were black, and which sends most people who aren't loaded on ketamine, or whatever their fave new designer drug is, to sleep ), followed by a passage of hideously unfunny sarcasm. What grates more than this is the fact that the people that write for this magazine are clearly the sort of bell-ends that are so busy striking poses and trying to prove how clever they are, that they never really think about or feel anything, and I feel kinda sorry for them. Sorry to put such a dark complexion on your day, but I am at University in Aberdeen; I need an outlet for my frustrations. Peace 'n' Love, Iain McG. ---------------------- Iain McGilp u02nim at abdn.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MartinW at xxx.uk Mon May 17 14:10:03 1999 From: MartinW at xxx.uk (Martin Wilson) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:10:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Sounds like... Message-ID: <7F30E08893F4D11194770060084C6EA1127F04@ntserver2.ucscarb.ac.uk> Brad W. wrote: <...People, people -- Belle & Sebastian is flat out boring, and they are musical thieves to boot (unless Lou Reed is collecting My word, the place is bursting at the seams with newbies. Welcome one and all. Why was I not as funny and witty and charming as you all when I first came across this list? Actually, the fun and wit and charm still has not rubbed off, I am still a miserable git. Sometimes :) Hello to Ian who joined the list after meeting Sinister people on the beach on Sunday morning :) That was me, the pissed one in the duffel coat, I can't believe I actually managed to wrote down the URL coherently enough for you to find us all. Blame Jim the Bowlie goalie, he may kindly throw water on people's tits at B&S gigs but at five in the morning he force-feeds you red wine and makes you think that foregoing sleep to watch the sun coming up is a good thing. It was, but not the next day when I REALLY wanted to still be up. Big hurrah to PJ for the Interstellar Novar Drive subject box joke, as I cracked that one long long time ago when I was a pseudo-Hyndlander and first walked past said street (my best mate used to work in the pizza shop at the end of Novar Drive). Everyone I was with thought I was mad, so thank you for (eight years later), validating the fact that it was mildly amusing, even if I am still the only person in the world who finds it so :) Anyway, the real reason I am coming back out of my mid-exam hibernation is to tell the Glasgow crowd amongst you that there are mutterings on the message board about a meet-up on the 29th May. I seem to recall in the Sunday Mail that Snow Patrol are playing George Square as part of the Radio One Music Live thingie that night, so that's the excuse - it is an evening in the pub being planned due to some wee football match being on at Hampden in the afternoon - if any of you want to come and watch me recreate the levels of drunkenness achieved at Bowlie, then get message-boarding or else mail me and I'll tell you where to go (in a nice way, you understand). Maybe Chris and Keith will come and bring the remote wanking machine. Or bring the remote wanking machine and come. Erm...if that hasn't put you off too much, then let us know. If anyone (David? Katrina?) can verify that Snow Patrol are playing then that would be all the better :) I am trying desperately to think of something exciting to say to the rest of you but seasoned listerines will know that I have been trying that for ages and still haven't succeeded. Erm, big thanks to the people who seem to be under the impression that I am more list-crush-worthy than everyone that isn't Fluffy, Trousers and Jessicaxo. You are sad deluded fools, and I feel a hell of a lot better for it :) I have a nice poem, and if the poetry parrot comes my way, I will share it. Till then, I have to go and sleep as failing exams is playing havoc with my routine. Practising saying "Do you want fries with that?", Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From k.watson at xxx.uk Mon May 17 17:13:39 1999 From: k.watson at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:13:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: New people (10 Roddington Place) Message-ID: <000c01bea080$3c126890$4e0129c2@sun> Hi there to all the people who've just joined from the other Belle and Sebastian list, I hope you'll all find it more fun here. I was going to stick up the Frequently asked questions file, but I've lost it... hang on, no I haven't! You're a gonna get it anyway. There's also some hints for getting some notoriety on the list. Depending on how you want it 1. Give yourself some sort of title, like "The Lord of Neasden", or "The Bard of Cumbernauld". This usually makes people think that you're cleverer than you actually are, or more important and so on. 2. Write *enormous* emails to the list every day (at least), cataloguing almost every thought you've had in a single day, safe in the knowledge that everyone else wants to know, that's sure to win you a load of chums. 3. Belt on about how rich people are great, tramps should just get a job, and certainly shouldn't bother anyone for cash if they need something to eat. Actually, don't do this, this is what the infamous Northy did, the last known survivor of the Thatcher generation. 4. Most importantly - entitle your mail "10 Roddington Place". This is highly important for historical reasons. About a year and a half ago, Paul did a check to find out what the most popular email subjects were on this list, and it was "Tigermilk" at that time, so we're trying to put the late (of this list) Mr. Roddddddney Beeegggggerbie up at the top as a claim to fame. Roddders was a bloke who used to mail to the list quite a lot - he's pretty fly for a white guy. 5. Come into the chat room. You can get chat clients all over the place, Microsoft Chat comes with IE4 and 5. mIRC can be downloaded from the web by using Altavista to search for "+mIRC +Download". The server is called "chat.virgin.net" and the room is called "#sinister" (you join in by typing "/join #sinister" once you have connected to the server. Most of all though, have a bit of a laugh on the list, it's certainly not all about Belle and Sebastian, so get emailing. IMPORTANT : There are no cliques around here, contrary to rumour. Everyone I've met, including myself are into meeting new people and generally having a laugh. We often take the piss out of each other for laughs. I think people assume that cliques must appear, and that people becoming friends automatically means cliques - it's not the case, please come along and meet us all next time we meet up, there are quite regular meet ups. If anyone wants to meet in Central Scotland, give me a shout, and I'll let you know what the next scam is. Here's the FAQ - which may be out of date as I've not updated it in ages. Love Keith. Belle and Sebastian : Frequently asked Questions 1. What is Tigermilk, where can I get a copy? Tigermilk is the bands first album and was released around about May 1996. It was released as part of a Stow College course whereby Alan Rankine (of the Associates) fronts up the cash to record a single every year, although with Belle and Sebastian they decided that there was enough material for an album, hence Tigermilk. There were only 1000 copies pressed and so the record is worth a lot of money now. The band have always mantained that Tigermilk will be re-released at some point, and this will definitely be the case, currently likely that about March 1999, although this may change. It now looks like this release is coming in about a month, so you'll all be able to get your grubby hands on a copy of this - one of the greatest records of the 90's 2. Who is the guest singer on Lazy Line Painter Jane? The female singer on Lazy Line Painter Jane is Monica Queen, formerly of countryish Glasgow band Thrum. Thrum released a record a few years ago, about 1994 I think. Last I heard she was recording with her own band which is called "Monica", or at least that's what it was called in February 1997. She could've followed Ian Gillan in calling her band "Gillan", but unfortunately "Queen" is a trademark. Here's a list of releases. "Purify" 7", "Thrum" / "Here I am" / "So glad" 12"/CDs and the "Rifferama" LP/CD 3. What is "Elvis" in A Century of Elvis. No-one knows bar the author really, but it's probably a cat, perhaps a tortoise, maybe actually Elvis, maybe it's Tortelvis from Dread Zeppelin who knows, and to be quite honest, who cares. 4. Who is in the band... Stuart Murdoch - singing guitar, trumpet apparently now, for the twin lead trumpet effect. Isobel Campbell - singing, cello, various Sarah Martin - violin, weird things Stevie Jackson - Guitar, piano, singing. Stuart David - Bass Mick Cooke - Trumpet, various Chris Geddes - keyboards Richard Colburn - Drums Neil Robertson has been known to play bass on Stuart David's "Spaceboy Dream", which brings me on to... 5. What other bands have members of Belle and Sebastian involved in? There's quite a number of things here. I'm sure it's not complete either, it's just what I can remember off hand. Chris Geddes : currently V-Twin and Golden Rodeo (think that's what they're called). Has played on Arab Strap records. V-Twin have released two singles (to my knowledge), Gifted, and a 12", In the land of the Pharoes. Mick Cooke : Used to play with Hardbody, who released two singles on Epic (On your own, Hazel's hob). Now plays with the Karelia and the Amphetameanies. Has also played on releases by Mojave 3, Ex-Cathedra. Probably others too. Stuart Murdoch : Played on releases by Polarbear and Arab Strap. Previously : (Early) Digger$, Lisa Helps The Blind, Rhode Island. Richard Colburn : Has played with Polarbear/Snowpatrol Isobel Campbell : Has played on Arab Strap records, also played on the Snowpatrol record and sings her own songs. She's in the Gentle Waves, Stuart David : Stuart David has a side project called "Looper". There has been one single released on Sub-pop singles club called "Impossible things" and there is an album planned. 6. What records have been released? Tigermilk (LP) May 1996 If you're feeling sinister (LP) November 1996 Dog on Wheels (EP) April 1997 Lazy Line Painter Jane (EP) June 1997 3,6,9 Seconds of Light (EP) October 1997 The Boy with the Arab Strap (LP) September 1998 This is just a modern rock song (EP) December 1998 7. What's that song at the end of the 3,6,9 seconds of light EP called. It's called "Songs for Children". 8. What about all these unreleased songs that people keep belting on about in order to make themselves look smart? Pocketbook Angel London has let me down Hurley's having dreams These are little demos of old songs that will as far as we know, never ever be released as Belle and Sebastian. Loneliness of the middle distance runner Modern Rock song Rhoda People around the place have tapes of various different versions of these, they've been kicking around for a while and they may well be released reasonably soon, there are numerous different versions of the Loneliness of the middle distance runner. I Know where the summer goes The Gate These two will probably be a part of the next single... Which they are, as the next single contains This is just a modern rock song The gate I know where the summer goes Slow Graffiti Here's another piece by Peter Miller : One of the rarest Belle and Sebastian related recordings is a home produced demo of "To Sir With Love", the Lulu song from the film of the same name. The recording features the plaintive voice of Stuart Murdoch alone with his Casiotone keyboard, and is rumoured to be heartbreakingly beautiful. From the same recording session comes one of Murdoch's earliest attempts at songwriting, but no one can remember what it's called. It mentions "She Made Me Realise" by My Bloody Valentine. Efforts to locate these recordings have proved unsuccesful so far. 9. What sessions have they done on the radio? The first session was around about September 1996 here Mark Lamarr sat in for Mark and Lard at night... They played Judy and the dream of horses Like Dylan in the movies The State that I am in The stars of track and field The second was about February 1997 on Mark + Lard's program again and they played : I could be dreaming Seeing other people (slow version) We rule the school Modern Rock song The third was on Steve Lamacq's evening session and they played : Lazy Line Painter Jane Sleep the clock around Slow Graffiti Seymour Stein They did one of Stevie Jackson's tracks "Wrong Love" one night when the evening session was live from Glasgow. Apparently this is now called "Wrong Girl", will it be called "Wrong Sheep" at some point in the future? The fourth less well known session was on Peter Easton's Radio Scotland music program where he played : The Loneliness of the middle distance runner Slow Graffiti Modern Rock song. 10. Who is Tigermilk dedicated to? Tigermilk is dedicated to Lawrence Bradby, who's a friend of Stuart's. I dunno how frequently asked this question is, but it certainly was asked frequently recently as regards a competition on French radio. 11. Are Belle and Sebastian twee? No, they rock. 12. Dog on Wheels, what's the story there then? Well it's not really Belle and Sebastian on that EP, as you'll see if you have a look at who played on it. Here's the story: All the songs on the EP were recorded some time, either at the end of '95, or start of '96, at Beat Box studios, which is where Stuarts Murdoch and David were doing a doley sound engineering course at the time. Pretty much everyone who plays on it were on the course as well, apart from Mick. One of the guys who ran the studio was Alan Rankine, of Stow College, and Electric Honey Records, which is where he came in. So hopefully that'll put an end to the word of loads of hoary old session musicians playing on it, just kids who were on the course. Makes the recording of that EP sounds less like an episode of Rock School doesn't it. 13. Le Pastie de la Bourgeousie - what does it translate as? Apparently, what it's supposed to translate as is "The Apathy of the Upper Class", however it doesn't, so we're told by reliable French people... Doh! And yes it was sprayed on the wall at Charing Cross for a while, it's in the video for Dog on Wheels, there was another graffiti of the same thing done by a bloke from the Yummyfur apparently, next to Greggs the Bakers on Byres road. 14. Who's on the covers of the records? Tigermilk : Joanne Kenney If you're feeling sinister : Ciara MacLaverty Dog on Wheels : Joanne Kenney Lazy Line Painter Jane : Thea Martin 3,6,9 Seconds of Light : Stuart Murdoch and Victoria Morton The Boy with the Arab Strap : Chris Geddes 15. Are there any differences between UK and US versions of any of the records? No, apart from the fact that the UK pressing of "The Boy with the Arab Strap" is slightly heavier vinyl than the US version. Basically - you'd have to be a bit sad to buy them both. Many thanks to Andreas Hering, Mick Cooke, Chris Leonard, Philippe Garnier and Peter Miller for help with this. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From F.J.Ritchie at xxx.uk Mon May 17 16:59:29 1999 From: F.J.Ritchie at xxx.uk (Floss) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:59:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Help? Message-ID: <37403CE1.2D2E25CD@durham.ac.uk> Anybody know anything about Japanese music? I'm off there in July for a year and feel I ought to get myself in the know. Any sinister people in Japan? Floss. xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah at xxx.uk Mon May 17 17:27:11 1999 From: sarah at xxx.uk (Fluffy Sarah) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:27:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: beepster, orange juice for the drink and what beanies do you have please? In-Reply-To: <01be9fe0$ded8e680$LocalHost@itjfvkli> References: <01be9fe0$ded8e680$LocalHost@itjfvkli> Message-ID: Hallo there! ¿Beepster? I had my first ever A-level exam in the world EVER today. I wore my pretty Bowlie dress so I could think, so WHAT I've got an exam which I am bound to fail in, at least I HAVE A CUTE DRESS! It slightly worked. The exam went ok...I supose....my Spanish accent was Spanish- and-or-South-Wales inspired, and I had to do a SILLY stimulus material on voluntary work. VOLUNTARY WORK! And of course, in the meeting before the exam the examiner told EVERYONE what the stimuli (??) wuld be. And as such, the people who's last names are ZAKOWSKI or something have the whole day to revise for it, and if your last name is CLARKE like mine you are first in and have to do the whole thing off the top of your head you are SHIT and you FAIL. Bastard. Beepster. Hehe! I've cheered up now. I have also eaten a Marble for post-exam comfort, and I have bought a packet of chocolate biscuits that I bet will not last the night. I wish I'd bought some pringles, but my hands were full with biscuit and file crammed full of Spanish notes that help me not one jolt. Well. Its over now. Beepster! Are they not doing merchandise then? I'll do merchandise! I'll think of some ideas and get back to you. They won't be white tshirts though. No white. Potential slogan: Belle and Sebastian, like Prince Caspian, who I think was in a book, by that bloke who writes books about the giant lion called Aslan who is actually a metaphor for god and the kingdom of heaven, as are all the chronicle of Narnia stories... more work? You guys want the moon on a stick. Beepst-ah >> Eurovision is on the 29th! I hear a cartain listee is having a Eurovision party and I'm very jealous. I want a Eurovision party. It'd be fun, and you have drink ARCHERS at it. I don't know why but IT IS A RULE AND I AM BETTER AT MAKING RULES (roolz?) THAN THE REST OF YOU! I AM THE SUPREME MILK MONITOR AT THE SCHOOL OF RULE-MAKING! I'm sorry, that was just being an arse. Mmm, Archers is lovely. I recommend Chris Leonard to try it instead of heroin one day. You might just like it. And at least I'm not forcing you to try it, like that nasty woman off the doctor pepper (so miiiisunderstood) advert. Beepster, I like what Ian wrote about SLEAZENATION the worst magazine in the world ever. I truly agree! London bastards, thinking they rule the world of national magazine publishing when in fact they rule nothing and probably can't control their bowel movements. Living in the provinces, I only found out what a bowel movement was yesterday. Aparently all the hep Soho Buckaroos are doing them! In Muji! Up the arse! Shhhhh! I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!! Sarah +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fatslug at xxx.com Mon May 17 17:36:19 1999 From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:36:19 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Must stop eating cheese before bedtime Message-ID: Hello folks, I had a dream, it went like this: I am in a dark cave. I am barefoot and standing on damp moss covered granite. There is a slow but steady trickle of water running across the ground. My eyes begin to adjust to the darkness, I can see a faint glow emanating from a tunnel that leads out of the cave to my right. As I approach the glowing light low murmuring voices mingle with the gentle sound of running water. I realise that the voices are chanting softly. The tunnel leads to an adjoining chamber. Candles circle the chamber and cloaked hooded figures tread a slow circle around a pit. I glimpse a couple of faces, they look vaguely familiar, but I cannot place them. The chanting is louder now and I can make out the words "After all, you're my wonderwall, after all, you're my wonderwall..." Now they all stop and face the pit at the centre of the circle. One of the figures is dressed in a darker cloak to the others. This figure steps forward, as the others incant Stereophonics lyrics, and declares that it is time for the sacrifice. Eight people in white shrouds are led to the edge of the pit. They seem to be in a trance. I recognise one or two of the cloaked figures now. They are journalists from the popular music press. The head music journalist raises his hand above his head. In his hand is a long curved knife. "Dark lord," he intones, "we offer you this indie pop band as sacrifice. In your name we neglect and dimiss the talented. In your name we shall champion the tuneless dirge of your evil spawn." I shudder involuntarily as a hissing sound comes from within the pit, something is alive in there, something evil. Suddenly there is a flash of silver, and a glimpse of red, as the shrouds tear from one of the sacrifies. Stuart Murdoch, for it is he, leaps five feet and seems to pause in mid-air before a dazzling white ball of light flies from his hand. The ball of light arcs around the chamber, and by the time Stuart has landed gently back on the ground each of the evil music journalists has crumpled to the floor. "You cannot withstand this light," cries Stuart, "for it is the light of truth." The hissing from the pit gets louder as the ball of light forms into a spear and returns to Stuart's hand. A gigantic snake-thing with a grotesque misformed head appears from the pit. It is Alan McGee. "Alan McGee!?" cries Stuart, "How can it be?" "Once I too enjoyed a good tune," hisses the grotesque snake-thing, "but now the power of the dark side courses through my veins. I shall not rest until all decent tunes have been laid waste, and the world knows only the pain and anguish of endlessly recycled seventies rock." "Then I must destroy you, for the kids!" cries Stuart, and he leaps towards the pit, hurling the spear of light at the snake-thing's grotesque head. The snake-thing lunges at Stuart with it's mouth wide open and it's fangs gleaming. Then I woke up. Kevan The Fat Slug *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ol01 at xxx.uk Mon May 17 17:55:48 1999 From: ol01 at xxx.uk (The Narrow Wizard) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:55:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: glasgow meet Message-ID: ermm if this glasgow meet happens on the 29th caN someone give me a bit of floorspace to sleep on cos it's expensive to get back to stirling after a night out in glasgow and I really want to meet you all and it will be my last chance for ages cos i go back to the darkness of NE engand for the summer soon. if anyone can help mail me thanks PS apologies for the broken space bar university computers you know. have a good one and have one for me owen With that the narrow wizard waggled his bushy eyebrows and disappeared in a flash of blue flame leaving behind only a faint smell of cinnamon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ecsamenz at xxx.uk Mon May 17 23:16:29 1999 From: ecsamenz at xxx.uk (Amy) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Help? Message-ID: Hello, Floss wrote: > Anybody know anything about Japanese music? I'm off there in July for a > year and feel I ought to get myself in the know. Well, there's Pizzicato Five of course. And Kahimi Karie's great. So's Cornelius. It rocks. Amy +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk Mon May 17 18:38:46 1999 From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (poetryplace2) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:38:46 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the world of men don't mean a thing Message-ID: <01bea08c$1d86ed40$046b9ac2@g5-200-3> Bonjour mes braves ::::::::::GOBI TWINS:::::::::: Last night we all went out see Mr Forster and Mr McLennan formerly of The Go Betweens playing at the so-called Jazz so-called Cafe. What a couple of hams! Bobby was wearing a shocking yellow suit and more slap than Dickon Edwards. And they came back for 4 encores! Nevertheless, we forgive them, cos they played 'People say...' and 'Right here', and 'Batchelor Kisses' and, ooooh, a handful of my very favouritest pop songs of all time. They certainly cheered me up after I spent the afternoon with a pubful of charming cockerney reds chanting "champeryons!". Bah. ::::::::::I DREAM OF STEWPOT:::::::::: Is it just me? Ever since we returned I've been dreaming incessantly about bowlie. In one of the dreams Struan gave me a pair of magic contact lenses which gave me the power of invisibility. In another I met Paul Morley who was staying in the next chalet and who told me what a big fan he was. In another, the band left the stage, only to be replaced by a bunch of can can dancers, replete with frilly bloomers. I don't like to ponder what it all means. Can I just say that my highlight of the weekend was when Isobel introduced Stewpot with his shiny new saxophone, only for the poor fella to be let down by his "axe" at the crucial moment, looking forlornly down the end and thinking "i dunno what's wrong, this has never happened to me before...". ::::::::::POETRY PARROT (SLIGHT RETURN):::::::::: The Poetry Parrot has returned from his travels with a sheepish grin and some unconvincing alibis. He gave me this poem by top scot poet Robert Crawford, before departing in the direction of Ailsa Ross... ++++++++++++++++ ROBERT CRAWFORD ZERO Thankyou for calling Heatheryhaugh Nuclear Arsenal. If your main lust is for weapons of mass destruction Please try out other number in Inverbervie. On your touchtone phone jab one for details Of bombs that kill crofters but leaves brochs and megaliths standing; Two for snug dumpsites; three for pre-owned Atomic oddments with warranties for several years; Four for rucksacks of fissile material; Five will patch you through to Glencora Gillanders, Anthrax buyer for the Loch Ness and Great Glen area; Six for the Arsenal's renowned in-house distillery; Seven affords highlights of our unusual safety record, Reassuring callers we are sited in a remote location, Though, should you wish to visit, pressing eight provides Pibrochs from this area of comical natural beauty. Nine connects you to our twelve-hour emergency helpline (Not staffed on Sundays, Hogmany, or New Year's Day). If this extension is busy, please yell your number So someone can ring back at a more convenient time. Thanks again for calling H.N.A. *Sláinte!* Do not press zero. ++++++++++++++++ That is all Stevie Trousers xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ebalsom at xxx.net Mon May 17 19:32:52 1999 From: ebalsom at xxx.net (erika balsom) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:02:52 -0230 Subject: Sinister: yet another introduction Message-ID: <003f01bea093$ae99bc20$a64ba5c6@default> hello everyone! i too am new to the list, so i'll do the standard thing by introducing myself.... i love belle and sebastian (of course!), but live in a place (newfoundland, canada) where no one knows who they are, "if you're feeling sinister" is not sold in any stores, and "the boy with the arab strap" is listed as a $26.99 (canadian) import. anyways, although i have no one to share my b&s obsession with, i still love them more and more each day.......... other bands i like (but ahave nowhere near b&s's status) are stereolab, pavement, tortoise, yo la tengo, helium, syrup usa and others.... so are there many canadians on the list? oh, and another question: what's everyone's favoutire band, aside from b&s (and related side projects)? well, that's all i really have to say. erika xox +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From JMoorkens at xxx.ie Mon May 17 19:47:07 1999 From: JMoorkens at xxx.ie (Joss Moorkens) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:47:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: some old bollocks Message-ID: Aiight, campers. I promised myself I'd never post again, but since I currently have no votes in the list crush thingy, I thought I may as well. After all, I can't do much worse. Not even heroic alcohol intake at the Bowlie has boosted my tally. Although judging by any photies I've seen, I was a confused pink-faced man in a cowboy hat. Which can't have helped. Anyways, hello to everyone who it was such a pleasure to meet over there. Even that Keith Watson, despite his slagging of Pirouette Park. Which obviously was a palace of R!O!C!K!. Even our seagulls ate bread dipped in vodka. And it wasn't cruel because they loved it. Anyways, I've two reasons to mail. One is cos my wee fwiend Paula has just subscribed and she's nervous and shy. Unlike in real life. In a moment of drunken sincerity, she decided I should write you all to tell you that she's nice. And she is. And I have. A hearty wave to all the other new folks too. 1100, eh? The other one is cos my mails don't get through to FunkySeb. And I want to make him buy some Fall records. Finally, if I may, I would like to indulge in some 'call and response' action. May I suggest saying the 'call' bit normally and reserving for the 'response' bit the whispery voice that kids use to signify crowds when they're imagining scoring a goal or something. Ready? Okay... Where are Roolz going? You lot: To the top! And where's that? You lot: The toppermost of the poppermost! Yes indeed, sweetcheeks. I can barely wait. Cheerio... Joss +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ihamilt at xxx.com Mon May 17 20:27:09 1999 From: Ihamilt at xxx.com (Ihamilt at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:27:09 EDT Subject: Sinister: The Sinister List - a tribute Message-ID: With apologies to momus for stealing his idea, and with apologies to the nice ones out there - im sure there are some of you. Bye Idiots, fakers, pseueds and baboons I met them on the sinister list Folks that make me throw up my chips I'm so sorry you exist Tommy Twee found the holy grail a jad fair 7 inch, sent by air mail he attached a kitten sticker to his school satchel in an attempt to gain favour with Stephen Pastel Lisa Lame was secretly fond of Oasis but thats not allowed, so she dropped them like a stone and even when she was having nighly drug fuelled orgies she still posted that she was virginal, sad, and alone Ian Indie met his bride to be being foppish on the sinister list though she had been royally rodgered she said coyly " im 21, and never been kissed" Floppy Fringed Fred loves Heavenly and Sarah product spends his summer snorting cocaine and being fucked Sad Sarah loves the Delgadod and Arab Strap she bakes them belgian buns, and all of that crap The sinister list, the sinisster list So sorry that you exist on the sinister list The sinister list, the sinister list fuck off with your bloody sinister list Alice Anal and Billy Boring like feeding kittens in snow park the bmw in a safe place and cycle to the Snow Patrol Show Fatuous Frank admires Fergus from Uresei Yatsura gazes lovingly at his fanzine on Camera Obscura He insists hes hardcore vegan , at the 13th Note 'and dines nightly on the gizzard of freshly slaughtered goat Susannah Grossman, one of sinisters 2 gems along with Tara Nicole , 2 bright hopes for us all they are charming and honest and lovely and sweet and are simply themselves, thats all CB likes creeping Bent, and looking at buses point out he has a car, and he swears and he fusses he says " im cool and i saw gregorys Girl once, Isobel would love me, ive got a bit of a hunch" Private School Stans dad owns his own oil tanker, when 30, he'll be a fascist Telegraph reading merchant banker but instead he stands coyly in Byres Rd John Smiths flicks through peruvian imports of mogwai and Bis The sinister list, the sinister list yor soul will freeze on the sinister list the sinister list, the sinister list bollocks to the lot of you, on the sinister list +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.net Mon May 17 20:53:06 1999 From: honey at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:53:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: The Sinister List - a tribute In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ihamilt at aol.com said: >fuck off with your bloody sinister list Needless to say Iain's still on the list, waiting with beaming cheeks, a beating heart and a bit of dribble at the side of his mouth for all our gasping horror and outrage at his cruel words. I've always said it's the final cowardice to sling a parting shot through the pub door before you leave at how crap we all are, and how much above us you are, but it's cowardice with the most illusory kind of ego to pretend you've left and then wait around the corner panting excitedly to hear the shrieks from within. It doesn't take much to type "Ihamilt" into the search box and see that this oevure of Iain's is by far the most time-consuming thing he's done, even if we didn't read it. Iain - don't bother to send the unsubscribe command, this is the one instance where I'll provide that service myself - in about 10 seconds time. The rest of you - don't give him the pleasure of a response, at least on the list, because for sure he'll be looking in the archive if previous experience is anything to go by. Believe me, he needs us more than we need him. Honey +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.uk Mon May 17 21:35:04 1999 From: ian at xxx.uk (ian) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:35:04 +0100 Subject: Sinister: grapefruit Message-ID: <023501bea0a6$397a8a60$0d80883e@default> here's a little personality test, for all of those who don't have anything better to do call it a b&s personality test call it a deep examination of your inner personality call it a small green doberman by the name of horace if you must. actually, no, don't do that.. imagine this situation... you're at bowlie, recovering from missing the delgadoes and everyone that played before them, bopping to teenage fanclub (well, wobbling a little to teenage fanclub while everyone else more or less stood still), dancing to the first night of northern soul (before that got a little bit old) and spending the best part of an hour chalet hunting. you've just tried to go to the beach. didn't find the exit (duh...its the big thing marked "exit") and are a little bit on the wet side but you don't mind because you have lots of booze and a chalet full of people. a knock comes at the door, some people you don't know enter. one of them, unbeknownst to you, is a member of the coolest band on the planet (yeah, in walked sarah cracknell...i couldn't believe it! no, not really) you don't recognise them, but you're being a nice host. do you a. put on belle and sebastian, sing along and talk about how much you like them b. put on airs, pose a little, strut around drinking vodka, wearing sunglasses and muttering darkly about your latest recording contract c. put on a smile, welcome your guests, share your booze with them, offer them use of your bathroom and make sure a good time is had by all. d. turn off "the boy with the arab strap" because you're "not in the mood for it", put on luna, motion incredily indiscreetly to your chalet mate to hide the vodka, try and offer people beer whilst accidentally throwing it across the kitchen because you're too pissed to hold onto anything except the wall...and walk round muttering strange things about duvets. oh..and ask the people in belle and sebastian who they've come to see. scan down to find out your personality type.... a. you are kind, sweet, thoughtful..people hate you b. you are shallow, thoughtless, pretentious...people admire you c. you are just the kind of person people need to balance out the presence of... d. you are me. people cross the street when they see you coming. fortunately my chaletmates were mostly c's. or maybe they just seemed cool in comparison. so...how many of you were d's? ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elu488 at xxx.uk Tue May 18 01:32:00 1999 From: elu488 at xxx.uk (Suave & Elegant) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 01:32:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister:Iain Hamilton - a tribute. Message-ID: <3740B500.ACC4088@bangor.ac.uk> OK, I'm sure there'll be a torrent of disapproving responses to a certain recent posting from Ihamilt at aol.com (and I HAVE read Honey's response), but regrettably I have to say I agree with some of the sentiments expressed by Mr. Hamilton. The truth hurts, and I just hope that some of the more pretentious folk on this list are writhing around in agony right now, although the sad fact is that the people targeted in the 'tribute' are probably too busy revising their own histories, buying the whole Sarah Records back catalogue or perfecting their 'fey and vulnerable' look to notice. Don't get me wrong, since subscribing to the list I've come across some amusing and thoughtful souls who genuinely have something to say. Also, I would never dream of attacking anyone personally on the list. Hey - it's a pleasant place to be! To be fair, the original idea of a forum for B&S fans has been preserved fairly well and it's probably the most impressively maintained mailing list I've seen. It just gets TIRING to see some people hiding behind the same old cliches in order to impress 'hardcore' fans or (most sickeningly) to get laid. It's so obvious sometimes that I just sigh. I used to laugh before it became so widespread, but now I sigh. Incidentally, the sighing's not a public display of how shy, socially inept and sexually naive I am! :) All I'm saying is that it doesn't hurt to be yourself. I'm prepared to openly admit that I swear like a sailor with Tourette's, take drugs regularly and can easily approach members of both sexes without blushing (unless I'm in love, natch). I've even had (oh, the shock) casual sex several times in the past and enjoyed it. How un-floppyindielo-fibandwagon of me! So next time anyone feels they have to ACT cool, remember that you ARE cool in a sense just for being on this list. To quote Moz, "You have incredibly good taste". -- ------------ Ciarán Lynch elu488 at bangor.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From willy.robertson at xxx.com Tue May 18 02:03:08 1999 From: willy.robertson at xxx.com (william robertson) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:03:08 -0700 Subject: Sinister: coolness Message-ID: On Mon, 17 May 1999 16:15:42 Kevin Wright A08A wrote: >Hi I'm Kev, >Just a little word about coolness: >If you like B & S, the Delgadoes, The beatles and Mogwai that sounds >cool enough to me > Wow! Everyone is so nice on this list. Thank you all very much, you've made me feel very welcome. Willy. PS - I'm not that cool when I was 13 I liked....shhhh....G'n'R! __________________________________________________________________ Get your own free England E-mail address at http://www.england.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SKittlgurl at xxx.com Tue May 18 02:37:46 1999 From: SKittlgurl at xxx.com (SKittlgurl at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:37:46 EDT Subject: Sinister: constant chanting. Message-ID: <51d303b7.24721e6a@aol.com> okey. here's another introduction. i don't remember if i did this before..and if i did. do not read on. but uhh...seriously...i don't remember..cause of some technical dificulties.. if i may... my name is Natalie...umm..im gonna go ahead and call myself "FaerieBelle"...just because im a Tinker Belle fanatic..and a Peter Pan maniac. but then again... so uhh..i was actually introduced to Belle and Sebastian by Iain. the one who had to leave us for a poem he sent to the list. yeah. sad, i know. but uhh..ever since then..(about 6 months ago) i tink?? ive been collecting B & S Eps and so on..with whatever money i can find in my pockets..in my father's pockets...(the cycle continues) anyways. that's it. i like fruits. and bananas with honey or maple syrup. i enjoy food. most of the time. sometimes. rather. my favourite colour is blue. any shade of it. it doesn't matter. um. i don't have any favorite B&S songs yet... it takes me a while to "feel" the music. whatever the hell that means. but for the past few days...i've had Alphaville's Big In Japan in my head. non-irrevelant. i know. take care funky chikken.s. FaerieBelle *sprinkles faerie dust, makes chia-pet grow* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From zoe.parsons at xxx.uk Tue May 18 03:21:10 1999 From: zoe.parsons at xxx.uk (janetzx) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 03:21:10 +0100 Subject: Sinister: dragons and defenciveness Message-ID: <004901bea0d5$1855b1a0$52b501a3@stu082.sjc.ox.ac.uk> ummm..... well, I'm new too, and i have to agree with william, everyone here sounds lovely. i don't want to draw out a discussion that will make honey put on his horrid face, as i've already trampled all over the poor bear's archive system (a student not a tech-head - i finally worked out what a search is!) but in my innocent skippings round radiohead websites i came across several which said stuff like "if you like making yourself depressed / don't have a sense of humour / think you are a Creep then *you are not welcome here*" which sent me scurrying over here where i could slit my wrists and drench you in my turbid blood in peace. stressing about image is silly....tweeness is a way of being nice to people?...bitching and defenciveness is scary and nasty.... anyway, to pick up a far more interesting literary contribution: Stuart looks a bit screwed at the moment. Evil mutant serpent Alan McGee is bearing down with all the bitterness of the not-very-funky, acid dripping from his fangs, steel claws scraping sparks out of the floor, slime oozing from between its scales...you know the scene. The light of truth is soaring through the air towards him, but can it bite? Stuart Murdoch grits his teeth and tries not to shudder as the fire-breathing fiend dodges the spear with expert skill and swings its horrible muzzle back at Stuart with a triumphant snarl "ha-ha! now i will eat you, twee one!" "not so fast, o scum-filled one!" cries a voice from behind. One of the shrouded figures is slowly rising from the altar. "Chris!" says Stuart "what's this?" it is indeed Chris Geddes, shaking off his trance. He leaps in the air, executes a few speedy kung-foo kicks, and launches himself towards the dragon. Faster than the eye can see, his leg zings up at the monster's nose, and seven yards of flare wrap round its evil head. The beast howls, trapped in the wilderness that is the Geddes trouserleg. "Yeeeooowww!" Chris screams "this is worse than waxing!" luv janet ps. i am sexually naive. the only chat up line i've mastered is "so, do you want to pull?" well it's worked so far :-) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elu488 at xxx.uk Tue May 18 04:17:59 1999 From: elu488 at xxx.uk (Suave & Elegant) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 04:17:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Let's 'ave it! Message-ID: <3740DBE6.D71889@bangor.ac.uk> You, outside. Erm ... now. Spill my Babycham will yer? Your mother cooks socks in Hull. OK, so I'm not feeling irate enough to lapse into physical violence (and the closest I get to that is through my self-administered arse slapping at provincial indie discos near you) but I really do have a point to make, and I'd appreciate it if people didn't just scarper or resort to blissful ignorance every time there's the slightest hint of confrontation amongst listees. Before anyone begins to yawn or assume this is another missive related to the Ihamilt controversy, all I can say is that it isn't. Not really anyway. At the risk of being chased out of town by flustered feather duster wielding indie kids, I'd just like to point out that in any close-knit community (or 'cult' if Select is to be believed) such as this, open debate between members is vital and often FUN. As long as things don't get too personal and there aren't insults being bandied about freely, there's no harm in people getting passionate about something and wanting to articulate their point of view. Friendships often arise out of these situations - if several people share a strong belief in something, then obviously they have the foundation for healthy relations with each other (and NO smutty comments please!). The only problem I have with this list is that (in my experience) the opportunity to indulge in a good debate rarely arises because everyone is so self-consciously Grandmotheresque (splendid neologism, don't you think?) and convinced that everything they post should be caked in saccharine. It's all well and good to be kind and gentle, and I'm SO glad that there's not much Manics fan style internal bitching, but when there's this atmosphere of forced courtesy it all starts to resemble a Nazi 'Strength Through Joy' programme or something from '1984'. You WILL be happy and exist in harmony! Not that I'm accusing Honey of being Hitler or Big Brother (weeeelll, maybe the latter :P) but ... I'm sure you know what I mean. I'd just like to see more people breaking the mould instead of posting more updates of The Terribly Twee Things I Did Today. I'm a sucker for outsiders and misfits, see. So if you're reading this, why not respond to it if you strongly agree or disagree? It's probably just the post-Bowlie comedown, but the list seems stale and that's a damn shame. Let's make sure it doesn't stay like that. PS I know that this was all a bit condescending but it's 4:15am and I can't sleep. Have SOME pity! -- ------------ Ciarán Lynch elu488 at bangor.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vlass at xxx.com Tue May 18 07:06:46 1999 From: vlass at xxx.com (vlass at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 02:06:46 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Let's 'ave it! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990518060646.00b274f0@mail.interlog.com> > I'd just like to see >more people breaking the mould instead of posting more updates of The >Terribly Twee Things I Did Today. I'm a sucker for outsiders and misfits, >see. i would agree with you about this, only the thing is that i *don't* see so many "i am twee i heard the birdie outside my window" posts on sinister. or at least, i don't see more of those than i do see the "this band RULES and should be listened to" or the oh-so-prominent smut filled posts. while waiting to meet someone today, i found the select article about b&s (8.50 for a magazine? argh) and read it over again... didn't someone say that basically belle and sebastian (okay, the chat room, but this can be applied everywhere) were about smut? actually, now that i think about it, there are perhaps way too many posts filled with sexual innuendos. WE ARE NOT TWEE ENOUGH! come on, lovelies, we must all learn to become shy and coy and *cute*. maybe if we were the number of emails in my inbox would diminish cos everyone would be too scared to post. har har. a plug-y thing: remember toronto listees! the picnic is soon coming! next week! teriiii we design synthesizers: http://members.tripod.com/~meltingsnow/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordi-tv at xxx.com Tue May 18 05:59:51 1999 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 05:59:51 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <19990518085951.HM.00000000000NgL8@mixmail.com> I�ve been trying to post during these last three days... but there is some kind of organised forces forces con spiring against me.... oh, I�m getting paranoid.... I wanted to post some days ago just to say that Fluffy�s exam made me realise that the Steps are the real extreme right. Don�t you find that their aryan looks are quite suspicious ? there was the belief that some nazi refugees in Brazil were trying to develope a new leader. And Steps came to Malaga to shoot a video, so, the thing can�t be so far..... (I�m not saying that Malaga is a nazi place, of course it must be great....) I�m also one of those guys who could give his kingdom for a tape of the Bowlie gig. Please..... To this people who thinks that we are fakes, well, if you want to join something like a mailing list about B&S, it can�t be so difficult to find that the 1100 members are quite cl ose to you about the things you like.. .And if you�ve been here for at least the last the last 8 months, you�ll probably find out that we�re not 1100 f------ clones !! we�re not a bunch of depressing lads who are looking for a substitute for their psychoanalists....for me, this list helps to end my day with a little smile on my face....that�s all.... A last question that I know it�s quite old: at the "Dirty dream" video, the girl who appears at the verse "In a town so small..." is she Carrie from Sl eater-Kinney ? Que tingueu un bon dia tots vosaltres ============================== ==================== Jordiet Sinistre ================================================== Tu E-Mail Gratis en http://www.mixmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Tue May 18 09:51:08 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 01:51:08 PDT Subject: Sinister: When a kiss you, when I kiss you, I hear Charlie Parker playing. Message-ID: <19990518085108.51214.qmail@hotmail.com> First, Janettx said: >ps. i am sexually naive. the only chat up line i've mastered is "so, do >you want to pull?" >well it's worked so far :-) Hmm. The chat up line I use is "Urrmmm.... Errrmmmm... Eeeehhhh...." followed by me walking to the bar and buying myself another beer to gain strenght to talk to her. Not much luck with that one after the first two hours. My friend said that this is good: "Ermmmm (innocent look on your face).... I was just thinking, would you consider living the rest of your life with me?" Haven't tried that one, since I find it a bit too pushy. Not pushy, "final". On to some other stuff now. Wait, no. No, yes. Got myself a hold of Sebadoh's lates a few weeks back. Now, I only had heard "Love is stronger" when I bought it, and I thought it would have more of these nice little ballads. Like hell it didn't. SCCHHHHRRAAANNNGGGG!!! say the guitars in every song, followed by YAAARRRGGGHHHHHH!!! by the big Lou Barlow himself. But it's a fairly good album, though not as good as "Harmacy". Rock. And this morning, when i came to work I tried to listen my Tigermilk on my walkmans. Have to turn up the volume up so much that the final result is this hissing on the background. Thank God for compact discs. Some of my friends collect these 70's funk vinyls (Jimi Castor and such), and I must say, as much as I like the sound and the covers (huge afros, YEAH!!), they're pretty hard to handle. Me, I'm the product of the busy-as-a-bee-generation, I don't have the time to get up and turn the record upside down when side A ends. Or then I'm just plain lazy. What else? Oh, a friend of mine got back from Bowlie and confirmed it: It was amazing. Darn. Well, you probably knew that, since it seems that everyone who reguraly writes here was there. Sigh. Time for a cigarette now. @--->--- Jake "If it's not erotic, I'm not interested." -Cant remember who said that. ps: Nick Dastoor and Jessica mentioned brutal arse sex on their posts. i found it very offensive. But laughed my brain out. And now I'm even stupid than before. I'm going to get money from all this, let me tell you. See you in court. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mazzy_ana at xxx.com Tue May 18 11:37:24 1999 From: mazzy_ana at xxx.com (ana simic) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:37:24 GMT Subject: Sinister: something weird for the week Message-ID: <19990518103724.64465.qmail@hotmail.com> And she will wake up from the big sleep and yell CHEERIO to y'all! I admit, I've been lazy and busy and away and I wasn't at the Bowlie and I eased my daily dose of B&S since the summer started making its presence obvious....and I was rather inactive on the list. So there you go! You might consider me an unfaithfull fan or call me names, but I don't care. It's nice to know the list is here, and I always enjoy these l'll 'comebacks'. THey make me *smile*. To smt. more interesting: The thing that triggered me from my big sleep is the discussion started in my last sinister-digest, about the list containing too few discussions and being a place where (quite a few) people try to kill their boredom writing the 'adventures of their everyday life'. No, don't get me wrong, I DO ENJOY reading that kind of posting once in a while, but I can't get rid of the impression, that there is less and less connection between the things people write in the list. I guess, there are definitely people out there, who hate these kinds of talk in the list, and want everything to be nice&merry, but I found some truth in what (oh, god I can't open that mail again, and I forgot your name ..stm like Susan or so...*sorry*) said. This is no "this-list-sucks" comment - not at all, as this is and will be the best list I've been to.This is just a l'll "I-enjoy-it-and-just-want-it-to-be-even-better" comment. Shit, gotta run, my lecture starts in 20 min. I'm sorry, for throwing things like this in the air, and not having much time to explain them more thoroughly. Anyways, take care y'all and keep on keeping on. *Ana* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kittridge at xxx.com Mon May 17 05:15:58 1999 From: kittridge at xxx.com (Matthew Broszkowski) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:15:58 -0400 Subject: Sinister: re:sinister:Let's 'ave it! Message-ID: <373F97FE.B777F72B@home.com> """"""""""">The only problem I have with this list is that (in my experience) the >opportunity to indulge in a good debate rarely arises because everyone >is >so self-consciously Grandmotheresque (splendid neologism, don't you >think?) >and convinced that everything they post should be caked in saccharine. >It's all well and good to be kind and gentle, and I'm SO glad that there's not much Manics fan style internal bitching, but when there's this atmosphere of forced courtesy it all starts to resemble a Nazi 'Strength Through Joy' programme or something from '1984'. You WILL be happy and exist in harmony! Not that I'm accusing Honey of being Hitler or Big Brother (weeeelll, maybe the latter :P) but ... I'm sure you know what I mean. I'd just like to see more people breaking the mould instead of posting more updates of The Terribly Twee Things I Did Today.""""""""" I completly agree. honey, this is what I was trying to say before (remember me? kittridge) , I wasn't trying to be mean or anything. I'm just not a very good writer and could not put it as eloquently as Ciaran could. I don't think arguing or debating is bad it just adds a bit more flavour to the list. You gotta admit you do "correct" people many times for starting threads that you don't like. I know a few members (myself included) of the list who are still on, or that have been on that received private emails from you informing them of your disapproval to what they were saying. There's over a thousand people on the list now and I'm sure that everyone of them wants to be able to express themselves in whichever way they want. I know i sound like I'm complaining but I really do like this list most of the time, that's why i haven't unsubscribed, I just don't like having to feel like I have to walk over eggshells for someone. What does everyone on the list think? -matthew http://members.home.net/kittridge/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From k.watson at xxx.uk Tue May 18 12:04:53 1999 From: k.watson at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:04:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister: re:sinister:Let's 'ave it! References: <373F97FE.B777F72B@home.com> Message-ID: <000b01bea11e$431a4b00$4e0129c2@sun> > What does everyone on the list think? Yes I agree really, to be honest I liked Ian's post, I thought it was funny. I've also liked almost all his other posts too (although I can probably skip over the "I want to have Morrissey's children" one, not that I dislike Morrissey or anything, but I just don't want his children). There's got to be a possibility for healthy debate going on here. The line has to be drawn where people explicitly target other people in their mails, Ian's poem targetted the whole list, no-one was singled out as far as I can see. I also agree that the list gets deathly boring when people are all instructed to be fluffy all the time as was eloquently put by Ciaran. I disagree that it's the case that the truth hurts though, most people I've met on this list certainly don't conform to the stereotype, but then that's why I found Ian's post funny, it's just taking the piss out of a pretty much non-existent stereotype. Sorry if people don't like this point of view, but I can't help what I think. Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LeEspiegle at xxx.com Tue May 18 12:56:35 1999 From: LeEspiegle at xxx.com (LeEspiegle at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 07:56:35 EDT Subject: Sinister: Snow In Summer. (Snowinsumr). Message-ID: <28ad15e0.2472af73@aol.com> dear "subtle smiles" diary... ("There was a day being lonely was hard...and then your attention was never enough.") gray this morning as i lift about the house in my blue nightgown. better this way, i believe. as i do so get headaches from sunny days...that is why this summer, as the last one also was spent, will be spent indoors...the pale irish-rooted were not meant for play in the flesh-burning sun. i bought an organ on sunday for ten dollars...my kitten likes to sleep on it...so i haven't played it yet...but maybe someday...and then i will become a cult hero...playing churches all across the world...singing songs about the kitten that sleeps all day on the ivory keys...botching my plans for any earlier recognition amongst music lovers... some of you may notice this is my new mailing address. shy hugs. meganelise p.s.: it meant a lot to me that everyone was so supportive of me having my "shy boy"...all the letters i received were greatly appreciated...and i have so little time on the computer that i know i didn't respond to every one...and for that i am tragically sorry...as they did mean so very much to me...and i wanted to thank everyone for their kind words...unfortunately, the situation has been discontinued...as there is "too much history, too much biography between us"... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Tue May 18 15:44:56 1999 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:44:56 +0200 Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place Message-ID: <01bea13d$00336dc0$LocalHost@itjfvkli> WHAT'S IT LIKE? What is it about Bangor University? Do any of our Bangor listees know Northy? Could someone put a notice up saying "THE SINISTER LIST MISSES RICHARD NORTH TERRIBLY" please? Someone from Bangor wrote: "I've even had (oh, the shock) casual sex several times in the past and enjoyed it." That's nothing mate. We all played up-the-bum ring-o'-ring-o'-roses at the last London picnic. It was later revealed that the winner had used a statue's phallus! And it was still attached to the statue! How we laughed. Casual sex? Personally I prefer formal sex - "allow me to introduce my penis". Boom boom. Actually, I prefer Wanky Biscuit. CRITICAL EYE Sister Disco's record of the week: "Pretty Little Thing" by The Interpreters. Notable for the just off the beat "Whoo!"s. I included that the ingratiate myself with the nursery dwelling music journalists. ANY EXCUSE FOR A SINISTER SING-SONG Alan McGee wrote: "Once I too enjoyed a good tune, but now the power of the dark side courses through my veins. I shall not rest until all decent tunes have been laid waste, and the world knows only the pain and anguish of endlessly recycled seventies rock." I like endlessly recycled seventies rock, Alan. And so do Belle and Sebastian, as shown by this poor quality pastiche, sung to the tune of the theme to "Only Fools and Horses", an old Sinister tradition: All together now.... We've got Yes riffs, Queen licks, Abba hits and Jimmy Webb bits, T-Rex, X-Ray Spex, Nick Drake quips and FunkySeb's tits, >From a mush in Shepherd's Bush, Push, push, push, push etc. No Guana Batz, no McCar-thee, No Family Cat, no Pastels twee, Thin Lizzy outtasight! Moustaches and afros for all, We hold satanic coffee mornings in the Church Hall! God bless Bookie Street! Viva Bookie Street! and so on and so forth. All right, it needs a bit of work. But getting started is always the most difficult part, isn't it girls? Boom boom. ODDS AND SODS I saw a record by Steps the other day, but there were loads of people on the cover so I don't know who was who. It was tarted up to look like an Abba record. Nice to see Keith's FAQs again. My favourite new bit is "She's in the Gentle Waves". Goodbye, Sister Disco of the Immaculate Conception PS: How do I join the increasingly popular Chris Leonard list? I've been tipped off by a far eastern gambling cartel. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Tue May 18 15:57:02 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:57:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Out of the sweetness comes forth strength Message-ID: <80256775.0052211A.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Has the world turned upside down dince I last looked out of the window? I'm fascinated to learn that looking 'fey and vulnerable' is now the definition of cool. And what's more, you can apparently get laid if you perfect the pose. Never worked for me - perhaps my collection of Sea Urchins 7"s is not up to scratch. Perhaps I skip over some posts without really reading them, but like teri, I can honestly say I've never really noticed a surfit of cutesy wootsie posts on Sinister. I don't know who these 'hardcore' fans are that Ciarán mentions, but if they're the Sinister 'old hands' that I'm thinking of, then I don't find them fluffy at all. Least of all FluffySarah - she's a gun totin' bitch from hell. I mean Preston. And anyway - you've got to remember that some people actually ARE shy and 'socially inept' - it's not a pose at all. What's wrong with them having a safe place to post where people don't get all confrontational and scare them off? God knows there are enough mailing lists and newsgroups where the atmosphere is like that - isn't it at least good to have somewhere that restores the balance a bit? Although I've never run one myself, I'd have thought it's a bloody difficult job running a list without it quickly descending into thoughtlessness and bullshit insult-trading. Obviously there's a balance to be struck, but I don't hink you could call Paul an overly dictatorial listowner. I might be wrong, Matthew, but I'd be really surprised if he has ticked anyone off just for 'arguing or debating'. I think, as the list rules say, that he just stops people if they start sounding aggressive (which really can upset people - I'm a pretty resilient sort but when I posted something soon after I'd joined that provoked a 'I hate this sort of shit' reply from someone I was genuinely quite shaken up). Or if they (often innocently) start an off-topic public thread that has all the hallmarks of spiralling out of control and clogging up the list (eg. 'What's everyone's favourite book/record?' ). Maybe half of the problem is that people just *imagine* their preferences or lifestyles don't fit into some mythical 'B&S ideal'. There was a guy (Linus TT, I think he called himself) who was in the chatroom last night who said to me 'Of course you don't like Pete Townshend'. I thought he was confusing me with someone else at first, but then it turned out he was just assuming that the Who were too ROCK for a B&S fan's carefully cultivated pop sensibilities. Ironically, arch WHO fan Keith was in the room (and it transpired that Keith liked their records well past the point Linus considered them to have gone too arena rock). Then they talked about Queen and Led Zep and Linus was thrilled at having his preconceptions popped. Or rocked. I thought Iain's post was pretty amusing too - although when I realised that he believed in the stereotypes he painted enough to leave the list in bitterness, it didn't seem so funny I reckon Isobel should be kicked out of Belle and Sebastian for being 'too Belle and Sebastian' - what does anyone else think? Nick "Ooh I just love Gregory's Girl and The Little Prince" Dastoor xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From melissa.thornton at xxx.ca Tue May 18 16:06:56 1999 From: melissa.thornton at xxx.ca (MelissaThornton) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:06:56 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Re: lets 'ave it References: <01bea13d$00336dc0$LocalHost@itjfvkli> Message-ID: <3741820F.982C2628@utoronto.ca> > well, instead of trying to come across real cutsie, we should all try to make ourselves seem as extroverted as possible,... why, just last night teri and i got drunk off our arses on vodka, then we molested some unsuspecting boys, and we woke up with our crack pipes still in our mouths... see, that wasn't too hard...lets all give it a go! toot a loo, emily p.s. sorry for dragging your good name through the mud with me teri.. > > > > > > > > > > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From EliotNew at xxx.com Tue May 18 16:51:42 1999 From: EliotNew at xxx.com (EliotNew at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:51:42 EDT Subject: Sinister: even when I'm lying Message-ID: IanH's no doubt searing expose' ala roman a' clef is lost on me. Living where I do I have not yet met any of the people on this list so I don't know if, say, FluffySarah is actually FluffyFred. Fortunately, I don't care. I don't care if someone fakes a closet of cardigans to try to increase the traffic in their love life and certainly wouldn't feel propelled to 'steal Momus's idea' (apparently of constructing awkward rhyme schemes) to berate a few who might. Those warbly verses obviously weren't composed in hopes of bettering the structure of the list as the author bid us adieu on his way out. That sort of fuck-off-as-I-farewell inevitably leaves a rather dubious impression of the exiter. Same thing happened the other night where I work. A guy mumbled something rude about the workers over his shoulder as he walked out and I said (based on a line from Millers Crossing, with all the bravado of the original) ''It's funny how lippy people get when they're walking out the door'. It actually turned into a mildly exciting face-to-face, but I digress. With a group of this size I am consistently impressed with the readability of a lot of the mail I get from here. It buries any other rock and roll(!) list I've been on in terms of wit and coherence and I don't think that is courtesy Honey's editing. So there's a few daisies who type in lowercase and sound as though they would hyperventilate if their phone ever rang; don't you know any people like that in your real life? I do. You help them over the fence. You don't make fun of them from the top and let the cops get them. (Another story, another digress.) This list has become a fun few mintues of my day. I think it has a good rhythm and is developing a cool argot. In the service of that, I don't care if a few people lie. Most of my favorites encourage it: Q. On what occasions do you lie? Moz: When completely unnecessary. "If that's not the way it happened, it's the way it should have happened." -Capote, after lying. "I tell the truth, even when I'm lying." Johnny Thunders, Al Pacino in Scarface, etc... Eliot New +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkl206 at xxx.edu Tue May 18 17:27:48 1999 From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (Megan K Lehar) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: um, is it bad to have sex? Message-ID: wow, so far the biggest insult we as a list have received is for having a lot of sex and good taste in music. that *has* to be a good sign. ;) some people are shy and some aren't. but honestly, who is so bored that they join a list for over two weeks in order to post only to cause a fuss? but oh well. it can be fun to cause a fuss sometimes. and really, it's hard to be offended by someone who paraphrases momus. hehe. anyway, i'm after a much larger slight. a miss candarel said: >Chris Leonard to try it instead of heroin one day. You might just like >it. And at least I'm not forcing you to try it, like that nasty woman >off the doctor pepper (so miiiisunderstood) advert. alright, i don't know this ad, but i must stop and state my loyalty to dr pepper. it's basically one of my food staples, along with sweettarts and crack. i stood behind them when they had the six year old hitting on the teacher ad, i can make it through this. miss candarel, would you like to take this outside? anyway, i'm in russia right now again. anybody want me to pick something up for them? xoxo megan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From snorman at xxx.uk Tue May 18 17:35:49 1999 From: snorman at xxx.uk (Sam Norman) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:35:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: we take over mtv Message-ID: ok i'm not sure if this is on the jeepster, web site or what. but apparently on June 1st MTV UK and Ireland will be having a Belle and Sebastian 1 hour special! could we organise somekind of sleepover at someones house, a midnight feast picnic!, someone who actually has mtv would be useful. If i am repeating what someone else has already posted, or is on the site please forgive me as i've had ny pooter sent away to be repaired, and ihave been leant an even more primitive pooter instead with a net connection published in 1991 sam +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ussher at xxx.ca Tue May 18 17:40:24 1999 From: ussher at xxx.ca (allen) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:40:24 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Sinister: um, is it bad to have sex? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 18 May 1999, Megan K Lehar wrote: > alright, i don't know this ad, but i must stop and state my loyalty to dr > pepper. it's basically one of my food staples, along with sweettarts and > crack. i stood behind them when they had the six year old hitting on the > teacher ad, i can make it through this. miss candarel, would you like to > take this outside? No offence, but I could never enjoy dr. pepper. It reminds me too much of cough medicine, but I think anything with even a hint of raspberry reminds me of cough medicine. Now if I actually enjoyed cough medicine, it might be a different story... > anyway, i'm in russia right now again. anybody want me to pick something > up for them? Yeah, you can pick me up one of those mail-order Russian brides. *snicker* Sorry, couldn't resist. ;) Allen -- "Long afloat on shipless oceans I did all my best to smile Till your singing eyes and fingers Drew me loving to your isle." -- Song to the Siren, Tim Buckley. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Tue May 18 19:13:35 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:13:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The geeks shall inherit the earth Message-ID: <3741ADCF.10E5FD97@student.paisley.ac.uk> Woke up this morning after a pleasant dream that involved none of you at all, only to find a rather dazed and confused poetry parrot hovering in the vicinity. No wonder, carrying about all that stuff about my beloved Highland homelands. Well I am sending it back on its way, but not before sharing some Stevie Smith sweetness with you all. CONVICTION IV I like to get off with people, I like to lie in their arms I like to be held and lightly kissed, Safe from all alarms. I like to laugh and be happy With a beautiful kiss, I tell you, in all the world There is no bliss like this. So am I meant to send the poetry parrot on to someone else now? I think I'll just set him free and see who wants to catch him as he passes. Is that acceptable do you think? I don't want to send him off somewhere he wouldn't be welcome... I have been sitting biting my tongue (well, fingers actually I have yet to master the art of typing with my tongue) in response to accusations of tweeness and trying to be all sensitive with regard to why I (and others) actually like Belle and Sebastian. Some of you non-newbies may remember that I got a little huffy at the Sensitive Stan rant a wee while ago - I took that as an insult to those of us with social ineptitude when really it was a tongue in cheek pisstake of non-existent (as far as I know) stereotypes. Lots of you wrote to me and said "don't be silly, it's just a joke" and I continued on my merry-ish way. I took little offence at Iain Hamilton's diatribe as it was patently misguided, and would have been funny if he hadn't used it as a parting shot, but then Ciaran jumped in to imply that the list was mostly a bunch of pretentious people with too much time on their hands pretending to be twee and buy records they didn't actually want or like to perpetuate the myth that they were twee and to shag people of similar levels of pretentiousness or to take advantage of the gullibility of the socially inept. Then did exactly what Iain couldn't (or wouldn't), stayed around to enjoy the fallout. (Please note use of the word "imply" above, this is just my opinion and I may be wildly off the mark. If so, please come and talk to me personally unless it's a point that you genuinely feel should be addressed to the list in general). Now it seems to me that Ciaran has got the vast majority of us all wrong. Last week I made what was intended to be a fairly throwaway comment about why I identified with certain Belle and Sebastian lyrics and was touched beyond belief with the response, both on the list and to me personally. I don't believe a single person said any of this in order to get laid. I certainly didn't. I don't fit in to any of these preconceived notions of Belle and Sebastian fans, I listen to records that would be considered way too uncool in places where judgmental folks live and call you names for not playing up to the way you are meant to be. You don't get that here for the most part and I was quite touched by Willy Robertson who felt the need to apologise for having been a Guns'n'Roses fan. This has never been to me the kind of place where I have had to pretend to be anything, or to re-invent my own history to fit in. I don't think I have to fit in really, I have met some inordinately good people and some less good people on this list and can quite honestly say none of them are in any way "typical" Belle and Sebastian fans, other than sharing a quite passionate love for finely-crafted wry Glaswegian folk-pop. This gives me things to talk about to you but does not mean that I expect you all to understand, to agree or even to care. What I don't expect is to be put down for feelings I can do nothing about. Those of you unfortunate enough to have met me at picnics/Bowlie will know that I drink like a fish, swear like a trooper with Tourettes and have an unhealthy obsession with 80 chart music, Sunset Beach and Celtic FC. I have been known to wear non-twee clothes, have a loud and raucous voice, can't talk with any conviction about bands I probably should be expected to like, and have made an arse of myself in front of Struan and chums in too many pubs at too many times. Inside I feel like a shy wee soul, but I'm not a flaming martyr to it :) I have never, to the best of my knowledge, been laid as a direct result of these feelings. I own a fair collection of Sarah records which I never discussed with anyone for seven years before joining Sinister as no-one I knew was in the slightest bit interested making it possibly the most expensive and pointless charade of passive tweeness known to man :) I know there are lots of you out there who aren't unhappy or twee or vulnerable, and that there are some of you who are. Some, like me, are paddling along inbetween the two, and I suspect that's where we mostly are. Pre-Bowlie I never thought for a second that I was the sort of person who would fit in with what was widely conceived to be the legendary London-centric clique and their earnest discussion of the early works of Felt and Talulah Gosh. Then I went, met the people you probably all know and really should love on this list who were without exception, a very nice, pretty diverse and remarkably un-twee bunch of folks with a mutual love of B&S, and realised that not one of them was how I had imagined. And that's the greatest compliment I could pay anyone I met. And I don't see that any of the rest of you are going to be any different from that, whatever floats your boat apart from B&S. Incidentally, Eliot, how does typing in lowercase make you twee? I can only think of about three people off the top of my head who steadfastly refuse to use capitals and I would defend, if not to the death, then to a reasonable amount of mild pain, their right to use whatever typeface or font they desire. Especially as I know a couple of them personally and can vouch for their non-tweeness. As someone who has been rapped gently but firmly on the knuckles by our gorgeous list mummy for speaking out in a confused and misguided manner, I fully back Honey in his administration of this list. If people are offended and are frightened off when people laugh at them for being happy, sweet, shy, socially inept (I consider myself to be all of these at times, mostly the latter two which I can do damn all about and as I explained actually magnifies the admiration I have for Stuart and kind of got me here in the first place) then I want Honey to come along and stand up for us. We are the ones that make this place one of the nicest places I have ever been privileged to call a sort of home, and although I am not naive to think that makes you all the apples of my eye and potential bestest buddies, I think there's enough diversity for everyone to feel comfortable here. If you don't like people different from you then stay away. Just don't castigate them for it, especially not if you at the same time claim "I'm a sucker for outsiders and misfits". Keep smiling, stay yourselves and NEVER let the bastards grind you down. Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glawler at xxx.ie Tue May 18 19:36:23 1999 From: glawler at xxx.ie (Gary Lawler) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:36:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: um, is it bad to have sex? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990518193623.007c6600@gpo.iol.ie> At 10:40 18/05/99 -0600, you wrote: >On Tue, 18 May 1999, Megan K Lehar wrote: > >No offence, but I could never enjoy dr. pepper. It reminds me too much of >cough medicine, but I think anything with even a hint of raspberry reminds >me of cough medicine. Now if I actually enjoyed cough medicine, it might be >a different story... This has been annoying me for quite some time now . . . . . . what flavour *is* Dr Pepper? I'd try it myself if it wasn't for those bloody ads - why should people be forced to drink it? Is it not nice? They've managed to convinced me that it's made of crushed beetle or something. Non B&S stuff: I got that new album by that Flaming Lips band I'm hearing so much about, which I love, and that Godspeed You Black Emperor! album which I Don't Get At All. Sort-of B&S stuff: I sent away my order for LLPJ and DoW last week . . . here's hoping Jeepster are fairly fast at responding to orders :-) The Big Issue: debate on the nature on the list is all well and good, but let's make sure that it stays civil and that people know when to stop and just agree to disagree . . . I've found that opinions tend to take on a life of their own when exposed to the internet ;-) . -- Gary Lawler * ICQ UIN: 11115268 * AIM: seclite369 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Tue May 18 19:52:39 1999 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:52:39 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Don't Ask Why Message-ID: <3741B6F7.74DC98A0@ohiou.edu> Hm... Pardon me, but I don't think being stereotyped incorrectly is really all that funny. I don't think any of you care about the details, but I really don't think any of those stereotypical characteristics apply to myself, other than the fact that I have some records which might be *gasp* fey. I have a feeling most of the rest of us have had similar responses. I think the saddest thing is that some people honestly believe those stereotypes. I really could care less about what the music journos say, but these are people who are on this list, even. Now, I admit that there seem to be some people who do post about how twee/sensitive their days were, but I do think it's the vast majority. And really, who would know if they were posing or not, unless you're them? Even if they do fit the stereotype, they're not the majority of listees. And about debate. Okay, I like it as much as the next person, but haven't any of you been on a list in which a debate gets nasty. I have, and I've even been the person who was nasty before. The point is it'd be a lot of work for Honey to monitor each individual post by 1.1k people, and I think it's easier for him this way. And since it's honey's list, he can decide what goes and doesn't. There are plenty of other lists out there, and most of them allow debate, so I don't see why anyone should need to complain. Gary Lawler said: > .. . . what flavour *is* Dr Pepper? I'd try it myself if it wasn't for those > bloody ads - why should people be forced to drink it? Is it not nice? > They've managed to convinced me that it's made of crushed beetle or something. The secret ingredient is plums, isn't it? I guess Plum-cola didn't sound so appealing. Alright, that's it from me... /"\_/"\_/"\ Brian Pennington, a.k.a. Mick McMick; Sandcastle Records \ / bp224996 at ohiou.edu ICQ#5056758 | | Sandcastle Recs Homepage: http://www.frognet.net/~mick/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | -Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ebalsom at xxx.net Tue May 18 20:58:26 1999 From: ebalsom at xxx.net (erika balsom) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:28:26 -0230 Subject: Sinister: lowercase letters & dr pepper.... Message-ID: <004301bea168$d16e73a0$994ba5c6@default> hello everyone!! in response to the person who said; "So there's a few daisies who type in lowercase and sound as though they would hyperventilate if their phone ever rang", i must say that i write in lowercase when i both type and print.... but it doesn't mean that i fit the stereotype. someone, who was quite annoying, asked me if it had to do with low self esteem. she said, "do you write your name with a lowercase because you don't think you're worthy of a capital?" this isn't the case at all.... i just thought i'd mention it. >. . . what flavour *is* Dr Pepper? I'd try it myself if it wasn't for those >bloody ads - why should people be forced to drink it? Is it not nice? >They've managed to convinced me that it's made of crushed beetle or something. i believe it's a cherry cola flavour produced by pepsi... which is why coca-cola introduced cherry coke to compete with it. >Non B&S stuff: I got that new album by that Flaming Lips band I'm hearing >so much about, which I love, and that Godspeed You Black Emperor! album >which I Don't Get At All. i also bought the godspeed you bacl emporer album fairly recently, on recommendation... i have to say that although parts of it are redeeming, it's largely boring.... in order to really pull that stuff off, you have to have excellent musicians playing excellent music. godspeed you black emporer has neither. that's all! erika xox. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ecsamenz at xxx.uk Wed May 19 02:11:26 1999 From: ecsamenz at xxx.uk (Amy) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: lowercase letters & dr pepper.... Message-ID: Hello, erika balsom wrote: > in response to the person who said; "So there's a few daisies who type > in lowercase and sound as though they would hyperventilate if their phone > ever rang", i must say that i write in lowercase when i both type and > print.... but it doesn't mean that i fit the stereotype. I quite like writing in lowercase, but I don't all of the time, in fact I suppose I'm not now. But anyway, I don't hyperventilate every time the phone rings. I just think it looks quite nice to type little. > >. . . what flavour *is* Dr Pepper? It's always reminded me of boiled sweets, and I can see the cough medicine similarity too. But you can't beat panda pops, can you? They're lovely, and carry a nice picture of, er, a panda. Has anyone tried the new! 'wonka' xploder chocolate bars?? Chocolate, crisped rice and popping candy!! That popping candy's naughty you know, I got some the other day, the packet said 'fizz whizz - with pop rocks!' kids and drugs and stuff... Amy :) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Scott.Turner at xxx.com Tue May 18 21:29:13 1999 From: Scott.Turner at xxx.com (Scott Turner) Date: 18 May 1999 20:29:13 Z Subject: Sinister: a lowercase daisey Message-ID: <02E423741CD99242*/c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/o=email/ou=NotesWREN/s=Turner/g=Scott/@MHS> i'm an incorrigilble lowercaser and damn proud of it! Actually, i switch up depending on how lazy my pinkies are feeling. its a pain in the ass to hit that blasted shift key all time. Well as long as we now have a typing instructor on the list maybe they can help me with my right hand cross over on the "y" key and help me out with proper fingerage for the dreaded number keys. What'd ya say? maybe fix my typing posture too!! fey-tweeness is ruining my back. __________ i'm confused about how anyone could not like honey. LONG LIVE ANARCHY!!!! (fist pump, as i toss a gasoline bomb). fuck that. every home needs a mum. ________ B&S content: My disc changer is dying for tigermilk!!!!!! what's with the july date and all this remastering anyway. grumble, grumble, grumble. both of my tapes are warped, half-melted and warn through. (patience). _______ 'just got the new pizzicato 5 (playboy & playgirl)- i hope it grows on me- its bouncyness is so relentless that its almost irritating- pop overkill? i don't know. good for mixed tapes maybe. .scott +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Putneysays at xxx.com Tue May 18 21:31:19 1999 From: Putneysays at xxx.com (Putneysays at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:31:19 EDT Subject: Sinister: A boring Iain post Message-ID: <6a4a9ea9.24732817@aol.com> Dear Listerines, The following is a note i wrote to our illustrious list leader asking him to reconsider his decision about Iain. I guess I'm not fey enough to be considered one of the 'Sinister' elite and warrant a response. I'm very nice, really! And so is Iain. Susannah May 17th, 1999 Dear Honey, Hello there...I don't mean to take up your time or anything, because I too would be livid after reading the post sent by Iain Hamilton...but forgive me saying, i think you were a wee bit harsh with his banishment. He didn't mean to be rude, it was just a silly joke that he made up after he read the Momus Stars Forever lyrics written about the Indiepop mailing list. In fact, it's really all my fault this whole debacle happened, i told him to send it to the 'Sinister' list, because I thought a lot of Listerines would get a kick out of it. If i hadn't egged him on, he probably wouldn't have bothered, and feelings would have been spared. Kick me off the list, if anyone. I generally don't post much, and neither did Iain- he was just poking a little bit of fun at some of the silly people on here who happen to be just a little too concerned with their indie cred. He's really a very nice, kind man, and he meant no harm. Please reconsider your decision to kick him off, in the past his posts have been nothing but entertaining and amusing...one of the more approachable Belle And Sebastian fans. He was, after all, only speaking his mind. As for the bad language...he's not as twee as the rest of us, you know. Anyway, thank you for your time. Sincerely, Susannah Grossman +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jygsaw18 at xxx.com Tue May 18 21:59:00 1999 From: Jygsaw18 at xxx.com (Jygsaw18 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:59:00 EDT Subject: Sinister: what we think we do Message-ID: oooh, The list that is Sinister is a hot-bed of discussion recently. First things first: Dr Pepper's secret ingredient.. is either plums or prunes. I'm not sure if there's a big difference. one is merely the dried version of the other, like raisins and grapes. The Post That Angered. Well. if Iain was serious, i think the post was uncalled for. If it was a joke, then we're getting all hyped up over nothing. However, this is Honey's garden, and what he says goes. Which is fine by me. If he says that trampling radishes is a nono, then radish-tramplers get escorted to the gate, no matter if they trampled the radishes a-purpose or while trying to catch a fat-looking toad. i think i may have stretched that analogy a bit far. Does anyone know on average, how long it takes Jeepster to ship to the continental US? I'm in a hurry to get my new goodies! dave. a lowercase horror +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jeanette at xxx.com Tue May 18 17:26:00 1999 From: jeanette at xxx.com (Jeanette) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:26:00 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Enough with the Dr Pepper, already! Message-ID: <37419477.7E98@ktc.com> Somebody said: <<. . . what flavour *is* Dr Pepper? I'd try it myself if it wasn't for those bloody ads - why should people be forced to drink it? Is it not nice? They've managed to convinced me that it's made of crushed beetle or something.>> Then, Erika said: <> According to the Dr Pepper Museum (www.drpeppermuseum.com), this fruity-flavored soft drink was invited in 1885 at a soda fountain in Waco, Texas, and is the oldest of the major brand soft drinks in America. Pepsi has nothing to do with it. And if you live in the UK, your Dr Pepper tastes nothing like our good ol' American version (that's not from the dp site, that's from experience). "It's a Texas thang. You wouldn't understand." Cheers! Jeanette +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rachel at xxx.uk Tue May 18 22:32:30 1999 From: rachel at xxx.uk (rachel tucker) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 22:32:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: lowercase letters (again!groan!) Message-ID: <004801bea175$f12175a0$0db5883e@pre-installedco> okay, i know you're probably all bored to tears now about the lower case letters thing, but i just had to state my case and then leave it, defenceless, floating around the list. as you may have noticed, i'm a serial little letter user. this is not because i'm too scared to answer the phone. oh no. but i frankly i am still almightily terrified of this computer, in fact, all computers. well, not the sega mega drive, but then i only ever played on sonic and he was the cutest introduction to this technological adventure you could get. anyway, i've spent most of my tender 17 years avoiding typing on these dreaded machines, but since i got access to the.... ....world wide web, i've had to rethink this strategy. and a very good idea that was too, as otherwise i would have never have met ( in a merely disembodied way, natch ) any of you lovely people :-) note the pathetic list crawling if you will. but i meant it. oh yes i did. okay, someday i will get to the point of this post... given that i only use one finger to type with (as the other nine are desperately scanning the keyboard for 'r'), it takes me one hell of a long time to write anything longer than my name. and twice as long as hell if i keep stopping to find/press shift. so i don't. but....(yes, the message continues zzzzzz) once i start getting a bit quicker and i blossom into a fully fledged computer nerd, maybe i'll start writing in capitals. and that will be exciting for you all. it will. indeed. See, it's already happening.... hugs and kisses love rachel xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samiamx at xxx.com Tue May 18 22:36:20 1999 From: samiamx at xxx.com (Sam Devere) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:36:20 PDT Subject: Sinister: Prada and Hang Ups Message-ID: <19990518213620.24322.qmail@hotmail.com> Anyone in DC going to the Hang Ups show at Galaxy Hut on Thursday? They are a jangle-guitar group that evokes mesmerizing harmonies, the lyrics are ok. Are any fans of Prada? I went to their store in Chicago (first time I've been in a store) and they were bloody expensive. I really like their stuff, are their cheaper places that sell similar items? Sam _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.uk Tue May 18 22:47:09 1999 From: ian at xxx.uk (ian) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 22:47:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: size isn't important... Message-ID: <004a01bea178$554cda40$0441883e@default> scott said >i'm an incorrigilble lowercaser and damn proud of it! > >Actually, i switch up depending on how lazy my pinkies are feeling. its >a pain in the ass to hit that blasted shift key all time. Well as long >as we now have a typing instructor on the list maybe they can help me >with my right hand cross over on the "y" key and help me out with >proper fingerage for the dreaded number keys. What'd ya say? maybe fix >my typing posture too!! fey-tweeness is ruining my back. i'm a lower caser too.. and i know it annoys the fuck out of some people but i see that as their problem. why do you need big letters stuck in the middle of something to make it acceptable? everY so ofTen i can see that it migHT be fun to put a capItal in where its not needed, but why just put them in for the sake of it? and at the start of every sentence? well, how silly. where's the creativity in that? no...'smuch better to just let the cosmos flow from your fingertips and not stem the tide with a shift button. its not just a matter of laziness, typing lower case is your cosmic responsibility. the universe demands it. spread the word. in a low key sort of way, of course. ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From csomeone at xxx.com Tue May 18 23:13:32 1999 From: csomeone at xxx.com (Cynthia Someone) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:13:32 PDT Subject: No subject Message-ID: <19990518221332.54336.qmail@hotmail.com> Ian says: 'smuch better to just let the cosmos flow from your fingertips and not stem the tide with a shift button. its not just a matter of laziness, typing lower case is your cosmic responsibility. the universe demands it. yeah. he said cosmos. Where are the lefthanders, the flatfooters, and the open-mouthed, and those with mismatched pairs of socks to proclaim their alliance with said cosmos? By the way, I keep trying to push the shift key, but it doesn't always want to obey me. maybe the keyboards (of the world unite!) are trying to tell me something. nothing b&s related here. lovelorn (isn't lovelorn a great word?), Cynthia _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.net Tue May 18 23:23:09 1999 From: honey at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:23:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: A boring Iain post In-Reply-To: <6a4a9ea9.24732817@aol.com> Message-ID: Putneysays at aol.com said: > The following is a note i wrote to our illustrious list leader asking him to > reconsider his decision about Iain. I guess I'm not fey enough to be > considered one of the 'Sinister' elite and warrant a response. I'm very > nice, really! And so is Iain. > Susannah Hmm - when was the last time one of YOU got picked up publically in front of 1100 people for not replying to a mail in less than 24 hours? Susannah, I'm sorry I didn't manage too, I guess I'm going to have to do it on Sinister now as you've taken it there, so sorry to all those who are bored to death of this. My strong impression, and those of others it seems, was that this was a parting shot through the door on the part of Iain - he was leaving and this was his method. My unsubscribing him was therefore merely a confirmation and probably a somewhat petulant hastening of that. He's mailed me privately and tells me he was fully aware that he'd be unsubscribed, and that's the only reason he didn't do it himself. I'm therefore not sure what Susannah is asking me to do. But listen, if there's a feeling I'm striking the balance wrong in the way I run this list then it's important I know: the only aim I have in my madness is to continue to make it the kind of place that the majority of people want to stay in. I'm often wrong in this, and leap too fast or too slow, and make all sorts of mistakes. I may have done in this case, and if the majority of people think I have, then I'll bow out. But can we agree, without thinking it's quashing the debate, to take this off the list so that others can get on with being Sinister? Let me know if you think I got this wrong or right, or whether you want this whole debate stopped and if there's a strong overriding opinion I'll act accordingly. I've said it a lot of times before, there's a difference between debate and flaming. Debate looks for an answer: flaming wants to make an impression then slam the door shut. Please don't confuse the two: without strong opinions a mailing list is a waste of time. Flaming will ALWAYS be taboo on this list, and I'll act on it, it's just the way things are here I'm afraid: rule number one. That's because I believe it's been the number one killer on most mailing lists I've watched die: it's just so damn BORING for those not involved who have to sit and watch. There are plenty of other mailing lists where it's tolerated and some where it's obligatory: that's fine, and if you can't find a list you like, you can go off and make one yourself. Iain's mail looked a lot more like a flame than an opinion to me: I had to assume the things he said were directed at real individuals, because he praised a few real people by name in his mail too. I know (Iain tells me) a lot of people were offended by what he wrote, and I could see a flame war hotting up: and I'm so tired of the old rejoinder "oh you're so serious it was a JOKE, haha". If it was, and he wasn't just kicking sand in the face of those whose manner he disapproves of before leaving, then I got it plain wrong. I'm copying this to him by way of follow-up to a mail he sent me, so he can let me know. Honey +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin at xxx.uk Tue May 18 23:51:47 1999 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin Robinson) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:51:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The Sinister Garden (continued) Message-ID: Hello, To continue the fun debate of Sinister-land... from my relatively new listee perspective (and in my opinion) the reason the garden of Sinister is such a wonderful place compared to other common or garden lists is because it has been cared for lovingly and tenderly by the hands of a certain Honey. It's not to say if your pet labrodor Harold takes a dump on the lawn someone rushes out with a poopa scoopa, it's normally left for the flies to feast on, but if someone lets a herd of elephants come in a dump on the prize rose bushes surely a quiet word with the local zoo is in order. I have to say ,though, I found the Mr Hamilton's poetic contribution funny in places too ,though, I doubt if anyone here's offended because it's not really relavent to a bunch of libidinous alcoholics, or is that just me. Oh well, Te ra, Martin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From eyh96 at xxx.edu Wed May 19 00:15:54 1999 From: eyh96 at xxx.edu (remaniac) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: tweeness doesn't come in a box / or bought in a stamp aka century of fakers/ Message-ID: melissa.thornton at utoronto.ca wrote: >well, instead of trying to come across real cutsie, we should all try to >make ourselves seem as extroverted as possible,... > >why, just last night teri and i got drunk off our arses on vodka, then >we molested some unsuspecting boys, and we woke up with our crack pipes >still in our mouths... > >see, that wasn't too hard...lets all give it a go! >toot a loo, >emily > >p.s. sorry for dragging your good name through the mud with me teri.. dear impostors, as sinisterines and divas from the start we cannot have our good names besmerched through your campaign. and my flatmate crackpipe concedes. as Lippmann would call manufacturing consent. no canadian or any other "dian" is gunna blitz a propaganda campaign set to implicate us in molestation, crack use (you know less jail terms are given to those who use cocaine instead), and indiscriminate use of cheap liquor. ciao the real teri and em (older, better, and smarter) scratch my name on your arm with a fountain pen (this means you really love me) ... rusholme ruffians +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From EliotNew at xxx.com Wed May 19 00:17:06 1999 From: EliotNew at xxx.com (EliotNew at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:17:06 EDT Subject: Sinister: turn turn turn Message-ID: Aye, the lowercase. Funny / not funny that's the only thing anyone noticed about my message. I was being hyperbolic ( as well I wouldn't think there are people who ACTUALLY hyperventilate when the phone rings). But the absence of intonation and inflection in type does allow a few other communciation tools to take the fore. Can't imagine ignoring punctuation in poetry. Wouldn't want to read a novel in all capitals. I don't care about the grammar or spelling here one bit but I do respect the people who write here enough to read their messages as they are written, giving the usual interpretations to commas (pause), exclamation marks (excitement) and words in all capitals (emphasis). Don't care about all that, really, but I am concerned with a tempting but ropey looking double disc of the Supper Club shows that I saw in a store. 'Lord Anthony', 'Turn, Turn, Turn' and other live rares and highlights abound and seeing as by the time B&S bring their act to anywhere within a 500 mile radius of myself they'll have forgotten how anything off their first three albums and it's vicinity goes I'm feeling the need to get my hands on everything they've done up to this point. On a B&S family twee note, were there actual releases from Stu's early bands or does trying to get ahold of pre-B&S recordings yield the same stare as asking a local shop if they can order 'I Think I'm Ready For The Electric Chair' by The Nosebleeds with Morrissey on vocal? I don't live in Scotland, p.s. eliot +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Wed May 19 01:52:38 1999 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:52:38 PDT Subject: Sinister: just another point of view Message-ID: <19990519005239.92329.qmail@hotmail.com> re:that guy and the bitter mail ok,first of all the whole `oh it hits too close to home thing` ok,sensitive stan makes me laugh so much,i think his are funny,and its not even a case of being offended, but this other guy, i mean,if you`re going to be a parody of something,can you at least be funny? he just seemed a little too miss thang and `take THAT you venomous (pink and soft) snakes!` for my tastes, i mean, geez,hissy fit. this whole pink cardigan fluffy kitten image is bad,but the other end of the spectrum is just as dreadfully boring."badasses" with no fear who only talk about a)latest "wild" drug adventures b) rebellious sex adventures c)their syphilis and being bloated on a toilet ...can get pretty lame as well. i mean, OOOH you REBEL you...try being 13 and finding out your pregnant! Oh, It`s so fun! Especially when your boyfriend dumps you when he finds out! Cool! sorry,i don`t mean to get all righteous "the more you know" type of person on you all,i just wanted to add another perspective, that in some cases its not a question of image or anything like thator taking offense, simply its a question of unfunny-ness,dammit,and a question of style. gosh,i`m not really this serious, i`m attending that darts championship at camber sands,it`s my nerves really,they are just on edge. but be nice to sinister,the golden rule you know,you may end up one day bloated on a toilet, green with syphilis, bitter and old and alone,with no wife or husband to make you a nice fresh apple pie. its the nerves,honest xo Gunther`s Voice ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Wed May 19 02:13:38 1999 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:13:38 PDT Subject: Sinister: so the bitter mail was really a joke? Message-ID: <19990519011338.49333.qmail@hotmail.com> oh gosh,i can`t keep up, i`m getting to old for this. ok,sorry, i thought it was a `i hate you and i`m leaving thing` like i said,its the way you write things around here. jeepers,you coulda fooled me,but i`m not the brightest crayon in the box. xo Gunther`s Voice genevieve (for the last time,honest) p.s Sensitive Stan, i still think you`re the funny one around here. i still believe in you. p.p.s whats this whole lowercase thing?! holy psycho anyalysism. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 95djb2 at xxx.uk Wed May 19 02:58:52 1999 From: 95djb2 at xxx.uk (Dom) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 02:58:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: The geeks shall inherit the earth In-Reply-To: <3741ADCF.10E5FD97@student.paisley.ac.uk> Message-ID: My, the list has got a bit sinister lately, what with all this Iain nonsense...I haven't got anything to say about that, but I will reveal to everyone that I have kidnapped the Poetry Parrot by sneakily hanging around outside Ailsa's window 'til she released him, and snaring him (in a twee, humane way) with a big sack. And I've turned him into a 'Prose Parrot' just for the one week. Monday it is then... Much much too drunk to write anything else without embarassing myself (done that lots already tonight - in fact lower case or not, this has taken me about 20 minutes to write) Love you all Dom +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From foxinthesnow_ at xxx.com Wed May 19 04:03:04 1999 From: foxinthesnow_ at xxx.com (Fox in the snow) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:03:04 PDT Subject: Sinister: Montreal picnic Message-ID: <19990519030305.97872.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello!!:) I just want to let people know that a picnic was organised for Montreal, on May 22nd ( this coming Saturday) at parc lafontain , near the lake as we've been told there's one ( I have no idea on that because I'm not from Montreal). Well if you're willing to come that'd be nice to email me telling me cos I'd like to know about how many people are coming so I can plan a birthday cake for the number of people we will be ( yes it'll be the birthday of a sinisteree;)). Well let,s hope the weather will stay nice and bring whatever you feel like bringing: blankets, kites, food ( of course) and maybe guitars but I think some people are already bringing that! :) Hope to see some of you there on Saturday! cheers, Karolyne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Pulpbot at xxx.com Wed May 19 04:02:17 1999 From: Pulpbot at xxx.com (Pulpbot at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:02:17 EDT Subject: Sinister: I'll have it, thanks Message-ID: <942e57b4.247383b9@aol.com> Kids, Frankly, this hand-wringing debate following the ihamil post scarily reminds me of my group therapy (not a fact I'd normally broadcast, but what the heck). Whenever someone in the group is critical or angry or (gasp) bored, a roiling internal debate is ignited: are we too critical? are we not critical enough? what motivated the criticism? is the group in a fallow period? This is familiar, perhaps. The typical consensus is that my group is too nice, which isn't a good thing. But then we're all paying big bucks to feel sad about our parents divorce or whatever. This list, on the other hand, is beholden to no such purpose. I think people are too polite here, but this is also the most interesting, personality-jammed list I'm on, so go figure. Other lists crawling with jackasses are far more boring for some reason. I think I'm losing sight of the point. Oh yeah, you all owe my 60 dollars. Thanks. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From plaird at xxx.uk Wed May 19 05:23:09 1999 From: plaird at xxx.uk (Paul Laird) Date: Wed, 19 May 99 05:23:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: sinister:re:sinister:Let's 'ave it! Message-ID: <199905190419.FAA13156@sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk> Hi all, it's been a long time, Keith said > I >disagree that it's the case that the truth hurts though, most people I've >met on this list certainly don't conform to the stereotype, but then that's >why I found Ian's post funny, it's just taking the piss out of a pretty much >non-existent stereotype. I must say I was in stitches - I imagine a he put a lot of effort into crafting it, 'though I also have to agree with Honey in that I think it was piss-taking with barbs on. Personally, not conforming to any of the stereotypes it's easy to stand well back, and I think most of us listees have pretty thick skins anyway. Where I got slightly concerned was with poor Ian's view of everyone else. I got the impression he feels just about everybody's 'faking it' in some way - which only made me feel a wee bit sorry for the poor lad. 'Nuff of this shite anyway. Why don't we get back to blabbing about the usual subject stuff, such as the uncontainable euphoria of finally finding a tune you've been searching for for a few months - which leads me straight on (unsubtle, eh?) to my discovery in Fopp Records today of semi-bootleg CD featuring Johnny Jones & The Kings Northern Soul cover of 'Purple Haze'- a (Hendrix beating) stomper of titanic proportions. Mind you we could yap about that band Belle and Sebastian instead. Bye, The Lairdster. 'An EGG is good for you' - THE EGG Marketing Board +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.net Wed May 19 08:58:53 1999 From: rebelstrange at xxx.net (Lesley J Miller) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 00:58:53 -0700 Subject: Sinister: PROPS to my homegirl genevieve, keepin it real on tha sinister tip AWW YEAH Message-ID: <000501bea1cd$7157ce20$3a11020a@rebelstrange> GENEVIEVIE! says, like a true Sybil: (not the multi-personalited ones, but the prophetic version) >this whole pink cardigan fluffy kitten image is bad,but the other end of the spectrum is just as dreadfully boring."badasses" with no fear who only talk about a)latest "wild" drug adventures b) rebellious sex adventures c)their syphilis and being bloated on a toilet >...can get pretty lame as well. well what do we have here since i've been gone. and it's genevieve with the voice of righteousness. babe. you're making me cry here! stop it. preach on sister woman. No. this gets me, and hard. what's all that about trying to make ourselves appear tough? what is so WRONG about liking pretty music? it doesn't define your whole being. as for me--i'd prefer to be on the side of the fluffy cardigans and hello kitties, when what we've got otherwise is really twice as tiresome, if you're gonna take it as some sort of gospel. at least the other way you can be nice to each other.....and not have to be self conscious. i use all small letters, you knwo why? cos i'm a crappy typist and lazy to boot. BOO to anyone who is so stuck on themselves and how other ppl see them, that they freak out if anyone intimates they like fuzzy critters and flying kites. you can have yr jack daniels AND listen to MaryJo and bawl like a baby. i dont' see why the two are mutually exclusive. and who cares anyway. be yourself for god's sake. is it SO hard? HEY OH to the SW posse--tom and erin and anyone else. as i've just received my admissions letter and so WILL in all likelihood be migrating to Tempe this august. maybe i shall see you all sometime oui?? i'm very glad that i wasn't at a B/S show, for once in my life. i think if i'd witnessed the tantrum in Dublin i'd probably have been inconsolable. it bothers me in a very real sense when people around me are in a bad mood--eithe rmad or sad. i probably would have cried, or at least been very upset for the rest of the night. eek. let's just hope it was refreshing and cathartic to stuart, and that whatever it was got fixed up. i know when i'm pissed off i have the urge to throw and break thingsj--i just usually don't, because i love my guitars too much. i throw the remote control, or a pillow or something. not really too satisfying. once i got mad and accidentally shattered a glass against my wall. now THAT was some good venting. i've just had the luxury of hearing the gentle waves gig in london thanks to special people in my network of confidantes. it's so lovely. it makes me feel good. it's like a musical version of st johns wort, or whatever...it just washes away all your worries, like sesame street. and the kinky love doesnt' exactly hurt, either. i found myself thinking there should be a whole album of kinky love....like the 'bel version of Barry White. then i realized that would be pretty perverted. as my friend said "she sounds like she's five years old" enough said. i am filled with shame. *SIGH* tiggermilk yes. i had a tigers milk bar today. everyone should try them. they'r emade in salt lake city!! a Jehovahs witness was at my house today. she was a really nice older lady, she didn't stay long, so i didn't mind. it made me smile. maybe i'm just a twee fucker. OOPS! in other news that no one cares about, i GOT THE DIGITS. yes it's going to be summer fun in a beat up datsun, for art girly and MOI. i did it. i made the crush tape, i delivered, i kept the pressure on, i dressed to impress. and she's hooked this time. sinister love baby. photo jenny gets em every time. okay. i love all of you right now, because life can be good now and then when you get accepted to college, and your lust object smiles at you like Lady and the Tramp before they suck up that last string of linguini, you know what i'm talking about. well i love ALMOST all of you, we won't be too hasty. and i love my mummy. i need one right now. you shouldn't be too hard on mummy, bobby. think of al the things she does for you. she makes you dinner. she washes your clothes. she wiped your ASS when you were droooling all over the place and had nothing better to do than play with your muchrod. she put you in this world, and she can TAKE YOU OUT!!! badaBING. as has already been demonstrated. Mick is the coolest in a kilt. LJ http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange The boat that brings us here will crack beneath your weight. This is territory you cannot invade. "I'll go and play with words and pictures" SAVE MST3K!!!! http://www.mst3kinfo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Wed May 19 09:01:28 1999 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:01:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: She's the boss Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E2266FAE9@server1.HITEntertainment.com> I am just off to the list crush page to see if I can slip in an extra list crush vote for Ailsa Ross, and I suggest you all do the same. Her defence of the list was fantastic - if any of you couldn't be bothered to read it, shame on you, go and take a look. Especially our friend from Bangor. Mark +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 9852611 at xxx.ie Wed May 19 10:16:53 1999 From: 9852611 at xxx.ie (KIRWAN LOUISE EMMA) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:16:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister: so i ses to magda........ Message-ID: Don't you hate when you hear a really good joke off a friend/telly/whatever and when you try and relate it to others it just dies? This has been happening to me lately - i get half way through, see the inevitable mess i'm going to make, go red, and shut my mouth. Of course, by then people want to know the end of the joke. And then, with my hands over my face, i *have* to tell them. And they *never* laugh, unless it's a nervous "haha" to pacify me. I think it's the horrible silence between the joke ending and conversation starting that always gets me the most. Or when your friend, being the good person they are, tries to comfort you, " that was...ummm..that was nice" or worse, " yes, well emmm..how are you?". Anyway, a question about the lower case thing ( stop me if you've heard this before); doesn't the word package automatically change the first letters of every sentence to capitals, thus eliminating lowercase sentences? Mine does ( insert smug tone here..sorry). one more comment/question. I'm behind and i'm sorry. I also think that if people are trying to be fluffy all the time, all the fun/interesting stuff will be lost. Hey, think of ned flanders , nicest guy in the world but he ain't the most fun. And yes, i do live through the simpson's ( it's so funny cos it's true....heehee) and now i'm shutting up. Louise ( ps. Nicely put, ciaran) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From richard.connell at xxx.com Wed May 19 10:52:31 1999 From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:52:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: My two penn'th (about 3 cents) In-Reply-To: <000501bea1cd$7157ce20$3a11020a@rebelstrange> Message-ID: <3031520919051999/A02727/ADVAX1/11D59A740F00*@MHS> Yes, another iain post. I know iain and talk to him a bit on aol so i thought id give a bit of a balanced view. I think the poem was a joke and meant as a joke but it did have teeth. It was a bit of a 'fuck all y'all' and therefore i can agree with the people who were hurt or who thought it was out of order. Ive got a pretty good bullshit detector when it comes to people trying to be cool and i have to say it only goes off very occasionally on this list. Most of the socially inept and painful shy people who talk on here dont seem too happy to be that way and dont feel themselves cool at all. Depends what your definition of cool is i suppose. Mine is a 'swingers' style vegas-baby thing and i sure as shit aint that :) One thing that everyone has failed to notice about the whole thing is that Iain is a big morrissey obsessive and therefore him having a go at people for affectations and feyness is walking on pretty shaky ground. Hello mr pot, meet mr kettle (y'see i alternate between lower and upper case depending on whether i can be arsed, does that make me a bi-social?). On a lighter note i became an uncle on sunday, at half time of the title decider matches. Pretty good day all round (this probably gives away who i support, any abuse should be sent to me and not to the list, unless its really funny). F***ball sorry. How untwee of me. Speaking of the beautiful game, did anyone see graeme le saux reviewing albums in the melody maker the other week? He tried so hard, on typical footballer interview manner, to not offend anyone. Im not surprised his favourite records were marc almond, erasure, culture club and ocean colour scene(not wanting to cast aspersions, oh alright im casting aspersions). I got my tickets for V99 yesterday. Anyone from here going? Looking forward to mercury rev. Wasnt sure if a festival would show them in their best light but thinking about it their songs might well suit a warm summer night outdoors. The mighty Mondays too, and manics, massive attack, sfa, supergrass, gomez (although you all seem to hate them, have i blown my sinister-cool? :)) and hopefully many more. Fluffysarah, i think it was you anyway, you ARE simon quinlank, drink your weak lemon drink, drink it NOW! Oh, that'll do for now, Rich 'fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering' - Yoda, a jedi knight +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From C.M.D.Loo at xxx.uk Wed May 19 10:50:19 1999 From: C.M.D.Loo at xxx.uk (CMD LOO) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:50:19 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: change of Email In-Reply-To: <19990518221332.54336.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: HIya Sinsitereans I will be changing my email from cmdloo at bradford.ac.uk to cmdloo at yahoo.com woth effect from 1st June 99. Cheers D A N I E L O O "It takes Strength to be GENTLE and KIND" M O R R I S S E Y +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sav_one at xxx.com Wed May 19 11:40:46 1999 From: sav_one at xxx.com (Darren Savage) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 03:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: AWFUL Message-ID: <19990519104046.20580.rocketmail@web115.yahoomail.com> I used to drink Dr Pepper occasionally but then they commissioned one of the most utterly appaling ads I have seen for quite some time. It has even usurped most of the McDonalds ads as advertising travesties. It is not the fault of the agencies though, it is the fault of the brand owner for allowing such nascent Americanised drivel to be signed off. I hope sales plummet drasically. On a more B&S note, I recently bought a lovely new machine for my guitar that can make it sound like anything from a chainsaw on fire to a swan floating on a mill pond. It really is a smashing piece of kit. However I have so far failed to find how to play a Century of Fakers on the web so if anyone knows the appegio tab it would be ace of you to send it to me. Also through consistent playing of B&S songs in the office (mainly sinister) I believe I have instilled more sensitive values in the creative department. So look out for more ads staring twee cardigan wearing poetic types. cheerio _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Wed May 19 12:12:13 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 04:12:13 PDT Subject: Sinister: sometimes my head hurts, and its not my own fault/fashion. Message-ID: <19990519111214.36093.qmail@hotmail.com> >Also through consistent playing of B&S songs in the >office (mainly sinister) I believe I have instilled >more sensitive values in the creative department. So >look out for more ads staring twee cardigan wearing >poetic types. Twee cardigan wearing poetic types? Hmm, thats a bit like me. On the outside, i mean. Inside im a mess. No, that falls under the "poetic type"-section. Hmm. What I'm wearing now: a black t-shirt and blue jeans. What I'll be wearing when I go home: my boxers shorts, 'cause it's stinking hot in here and the sun shines straight to my flat. The only problem is that I have such huge windows that someone can propably stare right in and see me sitting there watching Seinfeld that's on tonight on channel 4. Well, it's their loss. On to some B&S related stuff now. Bummer, I was supposed to go out and buy that Gentle Waves album yesterday, but they had sold all the 2 copies they had. Now I have to wait for about 2 weeks to get it. Well, got "Beethoven was deaf" for 30 marks (about 3 pounds), so it wasnt a complete waste of time. Should buy that dEUS too. And now for some culture. Any books you good suggest me? I went to the library yesterday and stood for about 20 minutes in the "english fiction" isles but could not find anything to read. Coupland I've been through, also Banana Yoshimoto (btw, I read that Amrita and it got a bit boring in the end) and Nick Hornsby. So theres my list of "oh-I'm-so-in-with-the-genX-writers-although-its-out-these-days-give-me-more". Any suggestion what I should pick up the next time? And I find it very irritating that you lot write so much in here. Takes about an hour every day of my work time to go through your posts. Oh well, wednesday today, so I'm going out. Weehee, parteee. @--->--- jace le petit. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.net Wed May 19 12:18:06 1999 From: honey at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:18:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: A boring Iain post In-Reply-To: <885fba66.247347ae@aol.com> Message-ID: Shouldn't you all be working? I've got a couple of mails from Iain and a sackful of opinions on this whole thing which I won't have a chance of replying to before the millennium bug brings Sinister down anyway, so thanks to everyone for taking time to let me know. For Sinister archivists who care about these things, Iain tells me that was a bit hacked off with the list and B&S-y fan things, wasn't getting much out of the list anymore "so I thought bugger it" and sent it. He always expected to be kicked off. He was happy for me to pass this on. I have to say of all the private mails I've received since I asked, every single one seems to be in agreement with what happened. I know a small minority of people have expressed surprise on the list, but would that make it therefore very churlish of me to try and draw a line under it now? I therefore (gasp) declare the matter closed and hope that brings a collective sigh of relief rather than a constitutional crisis and midnight arrest. I'm also fully aware that this episode goes down as one of the few times we've become more like some other lists and disappeared up our own backsides, so a personal opinion: we probably don't need a slew of "what the heck was all the fuss about?" mails and murmurings about everyone being too precious. Sometimes you just have to go through things if you can't go around them, although I know that applying that to the backside metaphor isn't pleasant. If you'll pardon the expression I tried to nip all this in the bud and failed. Trying to again now please help :) Can we just say that the Church of Sinister is like the Church of England, a broad church, but without the laughable costumes? The evangelical wing of P!O!P!sters who declare "pop is politics, politics is P!O!P!" and are big fans of Lene Zavaroni; the high church anglican fucking hard boys who get pissed at the altar on communion wine and kick the choirboys up the arse and hold their heads down in the font; the methodist twee kids who hide in the vestry, whispering to anyone who passes how they missed a bus yesterday and it made them cry, and try to get the vicar's autograph in their Hello Kitty notepad; and the agnostics and atheists who sit in the pews incredibly quietly, listen to the music with glazed eyes and a little enchantment but run like hell after the service is over in case the bloody vicar comes to talk to them. And I'm not a sectarian and you're all equally welcome. There, I've insulted everyone. You may not be the same as your neighbour in the pew but it doesn't mean they're faking. Oh hell, Nick and Ailsa said it better than me. Maybe now we can get back to the important issues of high debate. What does everyone think of B&S hairstyles? That was a joke, by the way. I'm off for a lie down. Honey +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tigermilker at xxx.com Wed May 19 12:59:16 1999 From: tigermilker at xxx.com (Tigermilker .) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:59:16 BST Subject: Sinister: A boring Iain post Message-ID: <19990519115916.86739.qmail@hotmail.com> Honey said: >Iain's mail looked a lot more like a flame than an opinion to me I thought it looked a lot more like a funny wee poem. Please don't tell me that we are all so sensitive and precious that we can't laugh at a well written piece of satire. I saw myself described in there, although it couldn't have been directed at me, and I thought it was funny. (I won't tell you which bit). Looking at the replies that the poem provoked, I see a lot of people either defending their right to be twee, saying 'I'm not that twee, really!', or laughing along to it. Which is great. I haven't seen a single post that attacked Iain's right to post a poem that takes the piss out of us. It wasn't a personal attack. That was plainly obvious, and if it had been, then of course it would have been out of order. No-one seems to have taken it personally, except Honey. Now, you asked for opinions, that is mine. If this list is too sensitive to absorb a well written piece of humour, then you might as well unsubscribe me too. But although I haven't been around that long, I think I have seen enough to know that this is not the case. I hope I've added something of value to the discussion. But I doubt it :) Love anyway, Marko. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From svesolb at xxx.com Wed May 19 13:46:44 1999 From: svesolb at xxx.com (svein solberg) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 05:46:44 PDT Subject: Sinister: I hate teaching ! Message-ID: <19990519124644.46014.qmail@hotmail.com> Today I had a couple of classes in English on my former school. THEY ARE GOD DAMN RUDE !! Thanks for letting me ease my tension. Svennie ! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From theasphaltgirl at xxx.com Wed May 19 14:08:40 1999 From: theasphaltgirl at xxx.com (Therese McKenna) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 06:08:40 PDT Subject: Sinister: Wuthering Heights Message-ID: <19990519130840.39208.qmail@hotmail.com> 'I want you to know that you have treated me infernally. INFERNALLY' (Cliff Richard (playing Heathcliff) comforts the dying Cathy). 'Tttthhhhhhhhwwwwaaaaaaaaaccccccccckkkkkkk' (Heathcliffrichard deals out some justice to his twee, simpering, you-could-knock-me-over-with-a-feather-type-wife Isabella). 'Mmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeooooooooooooaaauuuooooooowwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeekk' (Heathcliffrichard strings up Isabella's cute little puddy-tat). ...................................................................... T'would appear that listees are exploring the darker side of Cliff Richard's posting personality as exemplified by his role in the all singing, all dancing 'Heathcliff' it's me it's catheee i've come hohohohome....Lots of tumultuous tumult and antagonistic antagonism going on at the mo'. Great. Perhaps. Anyhoo, I'm not going to comment on any of it, this being my inaugural lecture, opting instead for the inane 'hi, my name is, it's soo nice to be here' approach. Originality is rife. If that's not an oxymoron or something... Yeah, yeah, so I'm another person in on the heels of the bowlie extravaganza, got a problem with that? eh? wow, that was the bestest weekend EVER (she yelled), and i'm so very sad that i've still got my tag on. it now makes a nice crackly sound. i was in a chalet with ian whose posts are much more entertaining than mine have ever any hope of being, and ian, i was as much of a 'd' as you were. :) i'm a belfast girl, a law and french student if you don't mind, though i'm giving up law 'cos it's not very pretty. nah (shit i'm lapsing into this careless state of inattention to punctuation and capital letters that is infecting so many these days), i'm dropping it because it's dull and liable to necessitate lots of hard work which i'm much too lazy to do. But whythehell would 1000 odds people care 'bout that? Hmmm...i've loved Belle and Sebastian since conception, in fact ever since I was a little star twinkling in the heavens, as I once was, apparently, so i'm much cooler and a better person than all the rest of you as a result of this. And i play the flute. I'm not going to write anything of import AT ALL in this mail by the way, in case you hadn't concluded this for yourself, so if you're still reading, you're a wee bit mad. Zoiks, I wish i'd thought of something to talk about before starting this. Whatever will you all think of me? ;) Well, maybe I'll think of something relevant next time...Until then, delete away and continue with yer topical debate of the day. Y'all seem quite charming anyways... ciao for niao, Terri. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Wed May 19 14:17:29 1999 From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:17:29 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: The man with the plan Message-ID: Hello I once read somewhere how Dr Pepper got it's name. It was a long time ago, in Fast Forward magazine, I think. Here's what I can remember of the story. Once upon a time there was a man who had a plan. He planned to make a drink out of plums and shoes and sell it to the world and make bags of money so he could buy more plums and more shoes and make more drinks and more bags of money and then he would buy himself a dog. So this man, let's call him Bob, he made the drink and he tasted it and he saw that it was good. Although it tasted a bit like cough medicine. But no-one will notice, he thought, as long as I give it a super name that simply dazzles everyone. The first name he gave it was Mr Yo! He tried selling it in his shop that sold bog brushes but to no avail. So he changed its name to Mrs Bag. "That'll do the trick" he thought, and it sold quite well for a while, but one day the real Mrs Bag came into the shop and wasn't too pleased. She hit him with a big stick and poked him in the eyes with her thumbs. Blind and hopeless, Bob staggered home. He opened the door and his daughter bounded up to him. "Daddy dearest!" she cried "I want you to meet my new boyfriend, Graham. My god, what's happened to your eyes?" Bob explained the story about Mrs Bag. "Oh dear" said Graham "Now it sure is a good thing my papa's a doctor. He could fix you up in no time, mister." So off went Bob to the doctor. The doctor mended Bob's eyes and got rid of his verruca and even gave him special hover boots which let him fly over people in post office queues. "Thanks doc." said Bob, "Oh, and by the way, I never asked you your name." "Dr Pepper" said Dr Pepper," but you can call me Fred". "Dr Pepper", thought Bob as he walked straight to his bog brush shop. "Mmmm, Dr Pepper..." And the rest is history. So it was named after some bloke's daughter's boyfriend's dad. Obvious really. About the lowercase debate - I don't like e-mails that are typed in lowercase simply because I find them very difficult to read. The sentences all seem to join together. Oooh! No, a bit lower. Ooooooh! Two thumbs up to Ailsa and Nick. If eloquence was on my side I'd have said the same. Bye! love Robin xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Wed May 19 14:49:06 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:49:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: flashiest smile Message-ID: Dearest, how strange that a thread should start on feisty beverage Dr Pepper. I had a can myself today, on the way home from an exam, quite oblivious that everyone has something to say about it. I used to read fast forward magazine, it was great for posters of greased up pop stars, doing "cute" poses, sometimes with little dogs. Fast Forward serves the purpose of filling that awkward gap between the Beano (or My Little Pony adventures in print) and Just seventeen. I'm guessing that flash slag mags mentioned on the list recently fill the space between yawning and vomitting. The exam itself wasn't a complete failure. It was french listening, and there was a fake little radio extract from french radio about un 'bebe abandonne', which i have decided is a very good name for a band. Whether i gave the right answer about it's irresponsible mother, is beyond the point. At least I knew au chomage meant an unemployed person, unlike my friend hannah, who said the man they were talking about was a cheese maker. mwahaha! sorry. i'm filling space without really having anything to say. (AGAIN!) love Erica x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Wed May 19 15:07:34 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:07:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Warning: LONG boring on-topic post Message-ID: <80256776.004D99C9.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> It occurred to me that there's nowhere on the web that collects all the unreleased Belle & Sebastain lyrics. So I trawled the archives and tweaked around with things a bit from memory (I haven't got the songs here at work to check them over) and stuck them all in this mesage. I thought maybe Honey could put them up on the website once anyone who feels like it has picked over them and made corrections. If no one gets there first, I might have a go at the 'London has let me down', 'Hurley's Having Dreams' and 'Winter Wooskie' when I have the time. Any shady 'Rhoda'-owning feel like doing that? I understand about people's typing problems leading them to type in lower case. But I've realised that what makes me far less likely to read something properly is an complete absence of line-breaked paragraphs. Big blocks of text just make my eyes glaze over. Not that my whether I read things or not is necessarily a matter of earth-shattering importance to anyone. Incidentally - you may spot that the 'Century of Elvis' lyrics below are strangers to shift keys and line breaks. But they're kind of nice that way. Nick xxx Pocketbook angel Hey, I'm down on the city lane I guess I am broke again Cause summer is such a pain Yeah, I'm down on the city floor I guess I am pretty poor At least I am not alone Cause here she comes again Oh I saw her just yesterday She looked at me in a certain way Cause she's a pocketbook angel And I know she fakes the limp Cause I saw her in Littlewoods While she was buying some frozen food She just wants to be goofy I've seen her write it all down x4 Because of all the things she sees Because of all the things she sees Things she sees Yeah, she's got it all on computer disk Cause she's a marketing analyst I sometimes wonder what she's got on me Oh sure, I had a job in an office once I never talked to anyone All I ever do is sit around She told me over tea She's not working for another boss She got fired but it was their loss Cause she's a pocketbook angel And now, all the kids have got pocketbooks I guess it's the way it looks Their cosmopolitan diaries I've seen her write it all down x12 Because of all the things she does Because of all the things she sees Things she sees A Century Of Elvis we were sitting in the living room on the sofa, the wrong way round, looking out the window. it was quiet, and then in the car park across the road we saw elvis - look, there beside the postman's van, and he was walking round the postman's van, looking in the open door. he looked as if he was thinking about getting in, but then the postman came back, and he swaggered off, walked past the window and down the stairs, and then at the bottom of the stairs right by the caretaker's office, he started licking the pavement. every night now since we moved in that new house there's this noise outside the door at just about half seven or eight o' clock every night. and if we go and look outside the door, elvis'll be standing there waiting to be let in. and then he wanders into the living room, maybe sits down on one of the chairs or even lies down on the floor. he doesn't say much, he just stays there for an hour or two, watching the tv. we talk to him a bit, and then around ten o' clock, he'll go away again, and not come back until the next night. there's a lot of lanes and stuff around here, around the house - although it's right in the middle of the city it seems quite like the country, it's dead hidden - safe i suppose, made for night living. there's a lot of squirrels and birds, and stuart says he's seen about nine foxes there when he's jumped over the fence on his way to byres road. sometimes you can go out walking, and when you've been out for a wee while even you don't know where you are anymore, so it would be pretty hard for anyone else to find you. i suppose that's why he spends so much time there, that's why he's come to live there, or maybe it's just the squirrels. i read about somewhere that he likes squirrels quite a lot. there's these two videos that we got for wedding presents - called the e-files, e-files one and e-files two about how elvis is supposed to be still alive. and one time when he came round we were watching one of those, but he didn't say anything he just sat on the armchair. he was playing with his collar a bit, and we watched it right through and then when it finished he just got up and walked off into the mist and didn't say anything. the first few times he came round i didn't speak to him at all, i wasn't really sure what to say. and karen spoke to him quite a lot - she seemed to know what to do more than i do. he had quite a strange manner though, he'd go into your stuff and look through it, then he'd maybe pick something up and play with it for a wee while, but he'd never make any comment about any of it. seemed pretty rude to me. i just watched whatever karen did, and listened to how she talked to him and then, after a while i started to copy that, and tell him a few things, not really bothered about whether he responded or said anything back or not. i think the first time i spoke to him we were sitting up on the mezzanine and i said that i would tell him about me and wee karen, and how it was that we'd come to be living there. i thought he probably liked the fact that we were living there because he came round so much, so i thought he might want to know how it was that it came about. we did it all over backwards, i told him . first of all we got to know each other, and then a while after that we met, and when we'd known each other for about seven years we decided to have an anniversary, and that went quite well, so after the anniversary we had a honeymoon, and that went well too, so after that we decided that we would get married. that's why we're living there now. i used to think my dad was elvis, but i haven't told him that yet. i haven't told my dad either... The Loneliness Of A Middle-Distance Runner I'll take a second of the day to think about the things that we have done this year The dog lies down, the pouring rain, i'm underneath the smokers' railway arch again The future's looking colourful, it's the colour of blood, chaos and corruption of a happy soul A happy soul will write in the field, write in the field, write in the field 'Til the rain dies down. The railway ticket states the destination but it doesn't mean we will show There's a fork upon the line, we'll pay the guard to switch the sign and off we go The future's looking wonderful, it's the wonder of the business-man's conspiracy to sell you wares, but no-one cares Oh you care I know, you care I know, you care I know I forgot for a while. And on a sulky afternoon spent in dispute you'll give yourself a headache yeah. So I take revenge in stories, and I'm dreaming of the time when we're on stage Have you seen the loneliness of a middle distance runner, when he stops the race and looks around, all at the stage I've seen it now I'll walk to the station, walk to the station, walk to the station Won't you follow me? A Space Boy Dream I dreamed I had to go to Mars. I'm always kidding on about going to Mars through the day, but faced with the reality of it in a dream, I was terrified. And it wasn't going to be like a moon trip. There were three of us going but we couldn't all go in the same ship - we had to go one at a time, one day between us. I had to go first, and it was the thought of passing through all that black space, all the darkness with nothing in it, and then being the first one to land there, all alone. I knew it was supposed to be all dark around with just a red surface, but what if I got there and it was light, all civilized and populated and stuff? So I made a plan. The other two astronauts were going to be my dad and my sister, and my dad would come first after me. So I decided when I landed I would stay in my seat until he got there and then we'd both get out together and have a look around and see what sort of things were there. And when I woke up and I was lying in the darkness, I thought I had landed. And I just lay still for awhile, waiting for my dad to get there, too. Wrong Love I went looking For my darling I went looking For a sign And I found her In the morning Somewhere in the back of my mind I'm not what I could be I need a true love I went looking and I found her The wrong love The wrong kind The wrong hand to be holding The wrong eyes to go searching blind The wrong dream to have in my mind I went looking For my darling I went looking For a sign And I found her In the morning Somewhere in the back of my mind I'm not what I could be I need a true love I went looking and I found her The wrong love The wrong kind The wrong hand to be holding The wrong eyes to go searching blind The wrong dream to have in my mind I'm not what I could be I need some loving I went looking and I found some The wrong love The wrong kind The wrong hand to be holding The wrong eyes to go searching blind The wrong dream to have on my mind The wrong love The wrong eyes The wrong smile The wrong love The wrong love Paper Boat I think it's going to be all right, I think it's going to be just fine, I think it's going to be much better than before, I think we're going to see the sun, I think we're going to have some fun, I think we're going to walk out through the open door, Maybe when I wake up in the morning, Maybe when the darkened skies are blue Maybe in a paper boat we'll both just sail away, Underneath the river trees, Off towards the lazy sea, Underneath the beach that carries poeple home, Past the church where Jesus saves Off to find path of good ways, Sailing off towards adventures of our own, Maybe when I wake up in the morning, Maybe when the darken skies are blue, Maybe in a paper boat we'll both just sail away Trumpety bit. I think it's going to be good fun. Lord Anthony Anthony, bullied at school Get your own back now you are cool Or are you still bunking off though you're a tough It's all gone wrong again you got to hold hands But the teachers got no control Boys aren't lying You will stay quiet Or you will die Tony at the back of the gym Smoke another one, the chances are slim, 'Cause here they come again They got you on the prowl You're tasting blood again At least it's your own When will you realize it doesn't pay To be smarter than teachers, smarter than most boys, Shut your mouth, start kicking the football, Bang on the teeth you were out for a week You may as well take it in the guts, it could get worse just take it in the guts, it could get worse just take it in the guts, it could get worse just take it in the guts, it kind of hurts there You'll soon be old enough to leave them all Without a notion of a care You'll leave two fingers in the air To meagre living Tony, you're a bit of a mess Melted tolberone under your dress] But if the kids could see you they would pass you right by The mascara running over your eye Why don't you realize it doesn't pay To be smarter than teachers, smarter than most boys, Shut your mouth, start kicking the football, Bang on the teeth you were out for a week They call you lord Anthony but hey, it could be worse Lord Anthony but hey, it could be worse Lord Anthony but hey, it could be worse Lord Anthony but hey, it kind of suits you anyway You'll soon be old enough to leave them all Without a notion of a care You'll leave two fingers in the air To meagre living +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From popjourno at xxx.nl Wed May 19 15:30:06 1999 From: popjourno at xxx.nl (alex tobin) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:30:06 +0200 Subject: Sinister: werchter 99 Message-ID: <3742CAED.752B@tobin.demon.nl> Just a quick one here, wanting to know if any of you lot were also going to the Werchter festival in Belgium at the beginning of July. I know it's a long shot, and the bands are not all that great, but let me know if you are... Take care, Alex http://www.popjourno.com - a new little list for contemporary music, film, literature, art, and travel. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From OLDSCHREC at xxx.com Wed May 19 15:30:32 1999 From: OLDSCHREC at xxx.com (OLDSCHREC at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:30:32 EDT Subject: Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V3 #152 Message-ID: Tigermilk has been pushed back to a July 13th release date here in the states. Pete +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk Wed May 19 15:34:20 1999 From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:34:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: book club Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Wed May 19 16:12:03 1999 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (V0168JE2) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:12:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: book club, sort of In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199905191505.QAA01046@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2072 bytes Desc: not available URL: From franzmoz at xxx.com Wed May 19 16:35:58 1999 From: franzmoz at xxx.com (Francis Lovely) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:35:58 BST Subject: Sinister: good stores Message-ID: <19990519153558.53629.qmail@hotmail.com> I know it may be sound silly, after such a long (and interesting debate) , but since there are only two weeks left for me in London, can you tell me if there is any good music shop in London apart from the usual ones and Rough Trade? I mean one with good prices/strange stuff and/or bootleg. I'm really looking for B&S bootlegs, live recordings, because I only own their offical records (apart from a crap cassette copy of tigermilk). Thanks in advance. Love to everyone. Francesco. P.S. I don't know if you have noticed it before but Alisa is by far the best writer on the list (easy to read, plain and with a lot of things to say....) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MartinW at xxx.uk Wed May 19 17:04:45 1999 From: MartinW at xxx.uk (Martin Wilson) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:04:45 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <7F30E08893F4D11194770060084C6EA1127F05@ntserver2.ucscarb.ac.uk> jarkko frantila [chamomile1 at hotmail.com] wrote: aloha sinisterrys (and sinisjunes) brief delurk while a new copy of visual cafe downloads in the background. (that's release 3.0c, version number fans). i have a new hobby: i've recorded the spice girls' debut album onto mp3s, renamed them, and have started uploading them to mp3 sites pretending that it's tigermilk. i rather like the concept of someone listening to "say you'll be there", thinking that it's "expectations". and in a thoroughly jeepster-baiting moment: has anyone got a realaudio/mp3 of 'wrong love' and/or the french black sessions? if you can help, i can supply you with thirty-six copies of the zombies' "she's not there". maybe. quick note to sinisterrys of a bostonion bent: according to the middle east homepage (http://www.mideastclub.com/), looper are playing july 20th. i'll be the one in the helen love t-shirt(TM). 'tuck & roll' from 'a bugs life' are the coolest cartoon characters ever. apart, perhaps, from that crow in the kia-ora advert. what's the difference between light and hard? you can sleep with a light on. got to go, rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrOD! -- r o d b e g b i e work: rbegbi at sapient.com play: rod at begbie.com vox: +1 (617) 761-1753 web: http://www.begbie.com/ The answer is "sudo rm -rf /*", now what was your question again? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Wed May 19 17:19:21 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:19:21 EDT Subject: Sinister: we take over mtv Message-ID: Hi! << ok i'm not sure if this is on the jeepster, web site or what. but apparently on June 1st MTV UK and Ireland will be having a Belle and Sebastian 1 hour special! >> Is this true? If so, can someone record it and send me a copy, pleeeeeez? I don't have anything to swap, but I'd pay lots of money! (For any other videos of B & S too, by the way.) I hate the people who thought it would be a good idea to split MTV Europe into 3 parts, because I can only watch the German version now, which is complete crap. Oh, and someone asked for a Bowlie tape again. Do any recordings of B & S's set actually exist? If I had a tape, I'd make 1,100 copies of it and send it to all of you. ;-) Bye Antje +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Wed May 19 17:53:02 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:53:02 EDT Subject: Sinister: something weird for the week Message-ID: <58743630.2474466e@aol.com> Hello again, there was something else I wanted to say, but forgot in my last post. Ana said: << o smt. more interesting: The thing that triggered me from my big sleep is the discussion started in my last sinister-digest, about the list containing too few discussions and being a place where (quite a few) people try to kill their boredom writing the 'adventures of their everyday life'. No, don't get me wrong, I DO ENJOY reading that kind of posting once in a while, but I can't get rid of the impression, that there is less and less connection between the things people write in the list. True, I noticed that as well. I'm only on the list for about 2 months now and I don't know what it was like before, but there hardly seems to be any kind of conversation going on here at all. Maybe there are just too many people on the list now, I don't know. I think the more there are, the harder it gets to get to know each other, too. I just wish I had joined earlier. I don't even have an excuse for not doing so ... Anyway, have a good night! Antje +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Wed May 19 18:09:08 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:09:08 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Seattle Sinsiter... A Bootleg Message Board.... Message-ID: <000701bea21a$4ed6c520$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> ATTENTION AMERICANS!!! Not to be nationalistic or anything, but this is a meek hello to anyone (American or Canadian) who lives in the Northwest - Seattle, Oregon, Idaho. The success of the Sinister list is in its 'meet-ups' and pic-nics. Sadly, when we are all the way over here, it is not possible for us to join in..... So being the brazen hussy that I am, I set up a new board for people in the Northwest to post to each other for meet ups and the like. It's small and fledgling, but over time we can grow with a little effort. Looper is on his way here and there are a few other goings that there could be meet-ups at. If you don't want to post a message you can post me direct : ehope at nwmls.com I hope you'll drop us a line if you are in the area... Snoggs, elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Wed May 19 18:14:06 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:14:06 -0700 Subject: Sinister: TIGERMILK SOUND CHECK! Message-ID: <000801bea21b$00683a80$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Bummer about the release date for Tigermilk being set back until July! I have a copy of Tigermilk, and I would like to have a little listening party for anyone who would like to join me. May be we could do it in June around the date it is coming out in the UK - that way we won't feel as left out.... I live in the Seattle area ; ehope at nwmls.com OR check out Seattle Sinister - A Bootleg Message Board (sorry Honey! XOXO) at : www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb506720 Hope I hear from some people!!! PS - Cardies are not a requirement for entry! :) Snoggs, elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Wed May 19 18:23:40 1999 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:23:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: strangers in paradise Message-ID: Starting with uppercase : I cannot live without dots, parragraphs, uppercases and so on. Pshycho analize me , please! I must be totally digested by the system , my degree of creativity tending to zero and my mind as squared as Rubik's cube. Hard to avoid : Iain Hamilton. Everything has already said, I joined the discussion a bit too late I am afraid.Perhaps he just wanted his 30 seconds of celebrity,even if virtual one,he just tried to show his wit and wisdom and make us laugh, maybe he was not brought up properly...To me, it is very difficult to express an opinion about Iain, the man, as I had not ever seen him live. If as already someone else commented, he just thought all of us being fakers and phoneys,my personal view is when I meet someone supposedly sharing likes and dislikes with me and I just feel this person is fucking disgusting, biased, bigotred, selfish or classist ,my stomach revolts much more than in any other case, as I think he /she has no right to ...It sounds really fascist of me, probably. But I do not feel that way here.Some messages are annoying and stereotypical, some are just fantastic, but judging real people on the grounds of their postings is a difficult subject.But I cannot believe he really wanted to hurt us.Or am I just too naive? Changing rooms, that's it, let's talk about something new and far more interesting.I agree with Antje, people seem not to listen /read what the rest is posting to the list and initiate monologues with no response.Try to make conversation,kids!Pamela will not be a teenager in five days anymore.Oh, everybody has to cross that Rubicon, darling!Take advantage during these three days to do all sort of things which become embarrasing even when they are pleasant after certain age, like wearing tarty miniskirts, go to iceskating, watch horror movies, and really trust your favourite magazine horoscope, apart from trying to put in practice all those wise suggestions about 'How to pull that boy you fancy in your Maths class and who ignores you'. What about an Eurovision party? I will prepare the Dry Martinis! Love Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hopkinstim at xxx.com Wed May 19 18:47:57 1999 From: hopkinstim at xxx.com (Tim Hopkins) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:47:57 PDT Subject: Sinister: Lips, selfishness, glassies and biscuits (more rubbish) Message-ID: <19990519174759.44682.qmail@hotmail.com> Good afternoon, you fine fellows. I hope you are all feeling well today. My arms and legs hurt and I am a little saddle sore on account of having been riding a bicycle for the first time in fifteen years. It's true what they say: once you've forgotten how to ride a bike, you never remember it again. I have been away for a few days, so I've a couple of things to say. I thought I'd bung them all in one long message to make it easier for you to delete. Do yourself a favour, do it now. Beth Bobbins said: >the flaming lips. What can I >say. Go and see them live. They are orgasmic. Hey, they are POST orgasmic. When I read this, I immediately had a vision of all the women in the audience looking pissed off and wondering when the fun would start, and all the men snoring contendedly. Oh. Was that too much information? Or did I get the wrong end of the stick? Later in the evening, Elish contributed the following... >I know that they, themselves, aren't >in it for the money, but it is really none of our business. And >even if >they were - who wants to spend their life in a dole que? It's probably deeply irrational and can't be justified on a pure theoretical basis, but actually how an artist feels about her/his art is quite important to me. I often feel very uncomfortable with music or other art which is (as far as I'm concerned) made *for* the money. I think being 'in it for the money' is just about the worst reason I can think of for making art. (Propogating hate politics would be worse I suppose, but I'm sure you know what I mean). >What is so wrong with making money? I think there's something wrong with money being someone's principal motivation for making something. Some of us work to make money such that we can fund the other things that we want to do. I'd rather have it that way round than make a perverted version of something I love because I 'have to make money'. I'm not saying B&S have done that, incidentally. Money changes everything. >More to the point, all this aside, when have you EVER known Jeepster >or >B&S >(AS A BAND) to steer us wrong and take advantage of us. Aside from, let's say, the odd limited-edition 7"s that some people are already desperate for, and unable to get hold of? >Sometimes it sounds like people are being a weeny bit selfish by >asking >all >these questions. Sometimes I think that an entirely uncritical attitude to anything(except perhaps Vic Godard) might be a bit of a problem. >I think it is disrespectful to carry on >about these things when Jeepster and B&S have always done right by >the >fans. My attitude towards Belle and Sebastian is not a very critical one, but that surely doen't mean that I shouldn't say that they're doing things wrong if I think they are. I think the whole Tigermilk reissue issue has been disastrously handled, and it has led to desperate fans paying over the odds (their choice, I know, but not an unpredictable one)and extensive bootlegging. Neither of which the band claim to want. It's an old issue, and one that has been thoroughly played out in the archives, but it serves as an example. Please note that I'm not saying that anyone has the right to tell B&S what to release and how and when, but at the same time that doesn't mean they have 'always done right by the fans'. This doesn't mean that I don't love B&S completely, either, because I do. As for Jeepster, I think their attitude towards this list it has left some things to be desired from time to time. But that's a whole 'nother story. >This email may not win me any friends here, and I am sorry. I hope it hasn't made you any enemies either. I'm all for a bit of informed discussion. More of this later, perhaps. You never know your luck. Nasty Dickstoor said: >...Least of all FluffySarah - she's a gun totin' bitch from hell.I >mean >Preston. And Contessa ffluphington-Sarah of Preston Manor wrote: >I've cheered up now. I have also eaten a Marble for post-exam comfort Blimey! A *marble*? Was it a clear one, or one of those with little wisps of colour in them? I knew you were hard, but actually eating marbles for comfort post-exams? Do you chew them like rock, too hard to take any notice of the shards of glass embedding in your gums? Bloody hell. Do you use ballbearings for bubble gum? Murder on your fillings, I bet. As for those of you moaning about the state of the list, if nothing's happening, bleedin' well make it happen. I always think that mailing lists are in trouble when they become too obsessed with their own internal workings. I am quite interested, however, in the fact that Belle and Sebastian fans have managed to take on the mantle of sad twee biscuit nibblers that 1980s indie-pop kids were given. And the truth of the matter is so often very different: you only had to look around the savage, slavering mayhem which constituted the Sinister corner in the bar at Bowlie to know that. Most of the tweeness you see/read is distinctly self-deprecating. And I'd 100 times rather skip over a slighly sickly mail than put up with crappy internet brawls or gross intimidation. What else? I have been living about 150 miles from my record collection for around six months, and I am starting to notice myself getting the urge to play peculiar records that I haven't dug out in years... 'The Apple Stretching' by Grace Jones, 'Bustin' Out' by Material, that version of 'Angel of the Morning' which is on 'Tighten Up Vol.1', even Aztec Camera's version of 'Jump' by Van Halen and Dexy's Midnight Runners' version of 'Margarita Time' by Status Quo. Strange how deprivation can make you want unusual things. I feel like a pregnant woman craving cashew nut ice cream with hundreds and thousands made of ground up bricks and spiders legs. Mmmmmm, chitin. Yeah yeah, I know, I look like a pregnant woman, too. Cheers. Anyway, gotta go. I've a large pile of copies of 'Atom Heart Mother' 'Surfer Rosa' and 'The Bends' to use as clay pigeons before matron brings supper. Cheerio Tim. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Wed May 19 19:20:18 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:20:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Nothing to do with twee-ness, honest!!! Message-ID: <374300E2.17C783E1@student.paisley.ac.uk> Hello (Ignore first paragraph if you aren't from Central Scotland) Do any of you Glasgow types have, or know anyone who has, spare ticket(s) for the Stereolab appearance at the Beat Room special at Cottiers on Thursday? My source has failed to supply the goods, and they are all gone and I am ever so slightly miffed. Anyone? Please? YOU CAN ALL COME BACK NOW! A thought for the lot of you (no! stay! it's not long-winded and ill-thought out like they usually are - well not as bad as the last one !!): Antje said: > I'm only on the list for about 2 months now and > I don't know what it was like before, but there hardly seems to be any kind > of conversation going on here at all. Maybe there are just too many people on > the list now, I don't know. I think the more there are, the harder it gets to > get to know each other, too. There have been what I would construe to be conversations since time immemorial here, why only this week we have been privy to conversations about Dr Pepper, pseudo-twee-ness and whether the list is disappearing up its own arse. The reason they don't always turn into full blown list-wide discussions is because out of 1000+ people, only a few are motivated enough with something to contribute - imagine if everyday everyone carried on every conversation, your inbox would have 1000 mails everyday and somewhere in deepest Edinburgh, Sinister Central would explode. I am moved to reply to things almost every day, but I don't usually do it, as I know nine times out of ten someone else will come along and say it anyway. So I don't. I observe until something comes up I really want to get involved in/share with you all. Hundreds of things I would like to see continued disappear into the mists of the archive unaddressed - if someone says something that it seems only you wish to carry on a conversation about, write to them personally :) That's how I made most of the friends I have here, and it saves occurrences of things like the great Fraggle fiasco of earlier this year - go to the archive, type "fraggle" and see just what an ill-advised conversation can do to people's minds and inboxes. Of course, some discussions, which interest, inform or entertain us should be kept ON the list, but with 1000+ people from diverse backgrounds it's gonna be difficult to stop people chipping in with new threads, especially when they get sick of reading about the same thing for the 400th time that week. But you have people's addresses, and you have the ability to re-introduce a thread if it's not been exhausted, merely dragged down and drowned in a sea of Dr Pepper and Fraggles. The list, as people never tire of saying, is there for you, and it's what you make it. So use your voice constructively. Which is rich coming from me, as all I do is moan, and I also contributed to the Fraggle Rock nonsense. But I'm learning :) Erm, I just checked my inbox and Tim Hopkins has just said that much more concisely while I have been waffling on again. Never mind, eh? My scary double life involving Tim Hopkins (cf my belle and sebastian dreams) continues, as I spent a bit of this aftenoon listening to old records I hadn't heard for ages, one of which was Aztec Camera's "Jump". Mine was inspired by that crappy car advert which has a kid singing "True Colours" by Cyndi Lauper, a song that young Mr Frame gave 'the treatment' to some years ago. I listened to that too, it was fab. There, I have conclusively proved that Francesco is W!R!O!N!G! to say that I am the best writer on Sinister. He's right about me being plain though... And thank you all for ignoring Mark Casarotto's exhortations to vote for me in the list crush. I did what I did for Honey, so if you must vote, vote for him. Or yourselves, you collectively with the guidance of our surrogate mummy do a hell of a lot more for this list than me blathering on about nonsense. Erm, get back to me about the Stereolab thing privately please. That's where I started, and that's where I'll end. I'll buy you beer or something if you can help, or I'll make you a tape containing novelty cover versions. Or something else completely different. Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Wed May 19 19:29:16 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:29:16 -0700 Subject: Sinister: B&S MONEY MAKING OUTRAGE!:) Message-ID: <000b01bea225$809216e0$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Dear Sinisterettes: If debate bores or irritates you, please refrain from reading the following as my Right Honorable Friend Tim Hopkins and I, Elle Zober, are about to embark on a rather healthy discussion! Tim Wrote: It's probably deeply irrational and can't be justified on a pure theoretical basis, but actually how an artist feels about her/his art is quite important to me. I often feel very uncomfortable with music or other art which is (as far as I'm concerned) made *for* the money. I think being 'in it for the money' is just about the worst reason I can think of for making art. (Propogating hate politics would be worse I suppose, but I'm sure you know what I mean). >What is so wrong with making money? I think there's something wrong with money being someone's principal motivation for making something. Some of us work to make money such that we can fund the other things that we want to do. I'd rather have it that way round than make a perverted version of something I love because I 'have to make money'. I'm not saying B&S have done that, incidentally. Money changes everything. >More to the point, all this aside, when have you EVER known Jeepster >or >B&S >(AS A BAND) to steer us wrong and take advantage of us. Aside from, let's say, the odd limited-edition 7"s that some people are already desperate for, and unable to get hold of? >Sometimes it sounds like people are being a weeny bit selfish by >asking >all >these questions. Sometimes I think that an entirely uncritical attitude to anything(except perhaps Vic Godard) might be a bit of a problem. >I think it is disrespectful to carry on >about these things when Jeepster and B&S have always done right by >the >fans. My attitude towards Belle and Sebastian is not a very critical one, but that surely doen't mean that I shouldn't say that they're doing things wrong if I think they are. I think the whole Tigermilk reissue issue has been disastrously handled, and it has led to desperate fans paying over the odds (their choice, I know, but not an unpredictable one)and extensive bootlegging. Neither of which the band claim to want. It's an old issue, and one that has been thoroughly played out in the archives, but it serves as an example. Please note that I'm not saying that anyone has the right to tell B&S what to release and how and when, but at the same time that doesn't mean they have 'always done right by the fans'. This doesn't mean that I don't love B&S completely, either, because I do. As for Jeepster, I think their attitude towards this list it has left some things to be desired from time to time. But that's a whole 'nother story. >This email may not win me any friends here, and I am sorry. I hope it hasn't made you any enemies either. I'm all for a bit of informed discussion. More of this later, perhaps. You never know your luck. Tim, I completely understand and appreciate your sentiment. Truly, I do. However, if you feel that B&S ARE in this for the money, and it upsets you, then you have the option of not listening to them. Plain and simple. As Pinnochio once said, the world doesn't owe you a living, and thus the Belle's don't owe you any good music. Okay, that said. I do think that you misinterpret what I was saying. My post was in regards to the chat going on about the merchandise thing. Which really isn't the end of the world. I really don't think that B&S are in anything for the money. Truly. In fact, I would dare to say that I KNOW they are not. Look at how they have run their career so far. They have NEVER appeared on the cover of anything, no doubt they have been offered many. They DON'T do interviews that would undoubtably up their sales and the like. They do what they want out of resect for their music and I believe that they are true to it. I am disheartened that you, or anyone else, wouldn't see them that way. But, let's face it. They are a great band and they make great albums. End of story. We shouldn't dare to question the business decisions they make, how is that any of our business? I am just wondering. I truly enjoy our banter however, logical discussion is not something that is a staple of my day as an on-line computer technician! So, I look forward to hearing from you. However, if you feel this is best continued off the list, feel free to write me at my address: ehope at nwmls.com Snoggs, elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Wed May 19 19:40:54 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:40:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: ramblings - jeepster news b&s content - 19/05/99 Message-ID: <374305B6.E07C403D@jeepster.co.uk> hi everyone, more news for you all :) other news ---------- to celebrate Neil's birthday this weekend (well, not entirely for that purpose but if you see him give him a birthday snog), wee Beanz Geddes is DJ'ing at the G2 in Glasgow on Sunday 23rd May, so if you fancy a boogooloo or something head down because it is a treat for the ears and eyes! can't think of anything else at the minute, i'm sure i've missed stuff, but then you'll just have to put up with me again sooner than you thought. recommended listening for today: smog 'knock knock' and the new godspeed you black emperor ep alongside the new salako album. oh, and if anyone has any good sites they can recommend me, please mail me the url's as i need to find some new links for my staff page. no porn though y'hear ;) 'til next time ... cheers, Katrina. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Wed May 19 19:56:53 1999 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:56:53 -0400 Subject: Sinister: A Sea of Dr. Pepper, Fraggles, and Stuart Murdoch demos Message-ID: <37430975.7AD3EC16@ohiou.edu> Hello there, I just had to bring Ailsa's wonderful metaphor to your attention one more time (and put something about the demos in there too, since I talk about them later on...). Let's all take just a minute to picture what a sea of Dr. Pepper and Fraggles would be like. Gobo, Wimbley, Red, Mokey, all of them soggy and plummy and sticky. There, wasn't that nice? Anyway, in response to Eliot New's question about Stuart Murdoch's previous bands, since everyone else seems to enjoy being tight-lipped about it, I'll say a thing or two. I'm not sure just exactly whether or not he was in any bands per se, but he had recorded several demos all on his lonesome. Legend and my friend Brendan have it that he toodled about the US, and jammed with some of Brendan's Portland-based friends. The truth of that matter has been lost in the mists of time and indie cred. Basically, unless someone is willing to burglarize Jeepster HQ and dig through their tapes, all we know is that anyone who has or had the demos must be sworn to secrecy, or really greedy. Probably the former. A few tracks did poke their heads out of obscurity and find their way into the hands of a number of fans. Rumor has it that Messr. Murdoch was not pleased. Strange, though, they're great songs. I definately prefer them to a select few B&S songs that don't hold my fancy. Oh wait! Just as I was about to hit 'send' here comes a discussion... elle wrote (regarding B&S) > We shouldn't dare to question the business decisions they make, > how is that any of our business? I am just wondering. Well, it's our business because we put down our hard or hardly-earned cash to buy those recordings. I'm not saying I don't agree with most of the the things B&S do, but Jeepster is another matter. If they started charging 40 pounds (I can't make the little L thingee come up) for their albums, don't you think we'd have a right to criticize? I mean, we have a right to criticize *anything* don't we? Free speech and all that. Sure, they don't have to listen, but we don't have to stifle ourselves either. The same goes with, say, carrots. Maybe people find out that insecticides sprayed on the orange tubers was ruining the local environment. We have a right to publicly criticize that/those carrot farmer(s), and we also have a right to boycott them because of that. Now, I think that albums and carrots are as different as...well albums and carrots. But in this society they are both commodities, and as consumers we have a right to treat them as such. Or at least that's what I think. As soon as they start making art free for everyone I'll stop criticizing business practices (mainly because there won't be any). Also, I may be wrong but I don't think Tim Hopkins was insisting B&S were in it for the money, but rather that the Flaming Lips were. I could be wrong, there's a lot of quoting going on there. /"\_/"\_/"\ Brian Pennington, a.k.a. Mick McMick; Sandcastle Records \ / bp224996 at ohiou.edu ICQ#5056758 | | Sandcastle Recs Homepage: http://www.frognet.net/~mick/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | -Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ussher at xxx.ca Wed May 19 20:01:29 1999 From: ussher at xxx.ca (allen) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:01:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Sinister: so i ses to magda........ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 19 May 1999, KIRWAN LOUISE EMMA wrote: > Don't you hate when you hear a really good joke off a friend/telly/whatever > and when you try and relate it to others it just dies? This has been > happening to me lately - i get half way through, see the inevitable mess i'm > going to make, go red, and shut my mouth. Of course, by then people want to > know the end of the joke. And then, with my hands over my face, i *have* to > tell them. And they *never* laugh, unless it's a nervous "haha" to pacify > me. > I think it's the horrible silence between the joke ending and conversation > starting that always gets me the most. Or when your friend, being the good > person they are, tries to comfort you, " that was...ummm..that was nice" or > worse, " yes, well emmm..how are you?". That's happened to me once too often as well. Or else it happens when one is attempting to recount an interesting story and then messes up all the details of the story so it only makes sense to that person! Some people have a knack for that, though. This reminds me of something I was thinking the other day. Is the fine art of storytelling dying? What I mean by that is oral storytelling. Right now I'm attempting to memorize a short story so that I can recount it to my friends without messing up at all... As for lower case: To those people who sign their names in lower case, try capitalizing it. It's a nice a change. :) (And, yes, I know my name in the FROM field is lowercase.) Allen -- "Long afloat on shipless oceans I did all my best to smile Till your singing eyes and fingers Drew me loving to your isle." -- Song to the Siren, Tim Buckley. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From seilsd at xxx.net Wed May 19 20:15:59 1999 From: seilsd at xxx.net (Damon Seils) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:15:59 -0400 Subject: Sinister: B&S MONEY MAKING OUTRAGE!:) References: <000b01bea225$809216e0$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Message-ID: <37430DED.6DF26BEB@earthlink.net> Okay, fellow poo heads. This is quickly going to become one of those unwieldy, annoying threads. But I thought I'd stick my head in... Elish Hope said: > > However, if you [Tim] feel that B&S ARE in this for the money, > and it upsets you, then you have the option of not listening to them. Tim said pretty clearly that "I'm not saying B&S have done that." I think Tim was pointing out the distinction between bands for whom money is the primary motive and bands who don't always "do right by the fans." The two are entirely separate issues. Elish also said: > Look at how they have run their career so far. They have > NEVER appeared on the cover of anything...They DON'T do > interviews...They do what they want out of resect for their > music and I believe that they are true to it. I am disheartened > that you, or anyone else, wouldn't see them that way. So B&S have been "media-shy" and "elusive" and whatever else the music magazines have said about them. It doesn't necessarily follow that B&S are doing this out of some noble respect for their music. One could just as easily argue that B&S are cultivating an image as aloof artists in a cynical ploy to appeal to a particular sector of the music-buying market. I don't believe that's true, but the approach is not unheard of. The Smiths and were shamelessly marketing themselves to a similar piece of the market, and were quite good at it, weren't they? I still like the music, and I'm not convinced they had no respect for what they were doing. I think it's a mistake to assume that, because B&S make good music, they are somehow the noblest of people or that they aren't taking advantage of their place in the market. Maybe they are wonderful people, maybe they are complete shits...it's got nothing to do, *necessarily*, with the quality of their music. Oh, bye now. --- Damon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Wed May 19 20:21:35 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:21:35 -0700 Subject: Sinister: REMOTE WANKING Message-ID: <000f01bea22c$cf326640$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Is someone using that damn remote wanking machine? All this logical debate is getting me excited.... Mick McMick Wrote: Well, it's our business because we put down our hard or hardly-earned cash to buy those recordings. I'm not saying I don't agree with most of the the things B&S do, but Jeepster is another matter. If they started charging 40 pounds (I can't make the little L thingee come up) for their albums, don't you think we'd have a right to criticize? I mean, we have a right to criticize *anything* don't we? Free speech and all that. Yes, we do - but what is the hubbub about? Jeepster DON'T charge 40 pounds per album - so why the fuss? In fact, when labels do the singles for the 1.99 for the first week, they all lose money. Major labels do it to get in the charts, Jeepster did it when they weren't even eligible for the charts due to the 4 song EP rule. My point was - WHEN HAVE JEEPSTER EVER DONE WRONG BY US? The answer is never. Sorry if some people feel hurt byt the length of time it took the band to bring out Tigermilk, but Mark has been begging for that to be re-released for ages. That was a decision left up to the band. Keep in mind since this whole deal began - what is it now 3 years ago? They have released 4 albums and 4 (Is there more I am forgetting?) 4 track EP's - it's not like they haven't been doing anything. Actually that isn't too bad for a band that took 11 hours or so to sound check at Bowlie as reports said. At the end of the day, my only point at the start of this was to ask people to have a little faith in a band AND in a label that has given us so much. Okay, may be you don't like Snow Patrol or Salako - I do. I ADORE Snow Patrol. But that isn't the point. The point is that Jeepster is a GOOD label, they make mistakes, but at the core of that label is Mark's belief in his bands. And he really truly believe's in them. We are lucky that he does. It is the patience of Jeepster and those that work there that bring us the music we love. I am not trying to remote wank Mark or Jeepster, it's just that's how I feel. And I know others feel the same. As for Mick and Tim, I am glad that you like to disagree with me - it's fun to talk and it get's the mental juice's flowing a bit! Snoggs, elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ebalsom at xxx.net Wed May 19 20:29:17 1999 From: ebalsom at xxx.net (erika balsom) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:59:17 -0230 Subject: Sinister: B&S MONEY MAKING OUTRAGE!:) Message-ID: <002c01bea22d$f2a9e0c0$a84ba5c6@default> hello all! >So B&S have been "media-shy" and "elusive" and whatever else the >music magazines have said about them. speaking of this, today i was looking at the spin online website... so i decided to type "belle and sebastian" in the search field.... one of the returned articles was a write-up on the bowlie weekender. at the end of the article, after the bit about the b&s show, the writer said that "Whether B&S will continue to hold their fans is another matter: they were mean enough to instruct security men to grab fans' cameras and rip the film out. Which, for some, was a very sour ending to an otherwise entertainingly childish weekend. " i just found it odd that b&s should be called "mean".... "media-shy" maybe, but mean is something entirely different. erika +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From DavidJ2502 at xxx.com Wed May 19 20:35:09 1999 From: DavidJ2502 at xxx.com (DavidJ2502 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:35:09 EDT Subject: Sinister: Dr. Pepper swap-meet Message-ID: <31ade362.24746c6d@aol.com> Hello, What?!? You mean American listees are enjoying a higher standard of Dr. Pepper than those of us here in the UK of K. I am shocked and apalled and shocked again. Can we organise a Pepsi Challenge thing where all American listees send a can over here and we all send one over there please? I want to know what your version tastes like. And while we're on the subject, who was Dr. Pepper anyway? I picture him as a sort of Colonel Sanders, only with fruit. Bottoms Up, David J. PS. According to the bottle next to me, it's "fruit flavour." How enigmatic. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkl206 at xxx.edu Wed May 19 21:40:16 1999 From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (Megan K Lehar) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: what a lot of bother Message-ID: my, this is the busiest that the list has been since before the bowlie! but there are some rather interesting posts today. first off, jeanette changed my life when she said: >According to the Dr Pepper Museum (www.drpeppermuseum.com), this dp museum???? ooooh, this is the anwser to my wildest dreams! while living in texas, i became addicted to the fiber enriched elixar (as it's made with plums, it keeps your bowels nice and fresh) and have become something of the addict. i believe that the actual *secret* ingredient is actually crack. all i know is that i keep coming back to it. keeping up with the fecalphellia theme, martin robinson said: >tenderly by the hands of a certain Honey. It's not to say if your pet >labrodor Harold takes a dump on the lawn someone rushes out with a poopa >scoopa, it's normally left for the flies to feast on, but if someone >lets a herd of elephants come in a dump on the prize rose bushes surely >a quiet word with the local zoo is in order. that has to be the best metaphor i've heard in quite awhile. then genevieve lit up my life by saying: >but be nice to sinister,the golden rule you know,you may end up one day >bloated on a toilet, green with syphilis, bitter and old and alone,with no >wife or husband to make you a nice fresh apple pie. which is another mental image that i was desperate without. for one so young, your wisdom encompasses the ages genni. um, i guess that was it. not a lot i suppose, i just thought it was odd that so many people wanted to cram their heads up the collective list ass. but you know, fin de siecle. read some joyce. xoxo megan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mhintz at xxx.edu Wed May 19 21:53:53 1999 From: mhintz at xxx.edu (Matthew Hintz) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: TIGERMILK SOUND CHECK! In-Reply-To: <000801bea21b$00683a80$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Message-ID: <> I was under the impression that Tigermilk is not being released in the US for a few months. A Kitchen gave me that impression. No one here can honestly think that it would be released in the US before the UK--remember, we are still the colonies, suckling at Mother England's breast. Could anyone at Jeepster clear up this mystery? If not we may begin the American Revolution. It isn't just about tea anymore. Living and loving Matthew ----------------- Stolen Kisses http://members.tripod.com/stolenkisses +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rachel at xxx.uk Wed May 19 22:27:16 1999 From: rachel at xxx.uk (rachel tucker) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:27:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: absolutely no b&s content. sorry Message-ID: <002901bea23e$60ffc700$70c2883e@pre-installedco> right, i'll try and get straight to the point here(!) was anyone else skiving of school/uni/work etc. yesterday and hear travis on jo whiley? obviously, being a major travis fan (and not being ashamed to admit it. oh no. they're good, honestly. even though i once read that the divine franny never rated mad dog murdoch b4 b&s!!! how could this be?! oh look, there is some b&s content after all :-)), i taped it all and very lovely it was too. what i was wondering was if anyone had any info on this singer/songwriter susie hug (?) whose song 'the unbelievers' they covered. it was absolutely fantastic and i want to check her out, see if she is any good. so could any of you kind people help? someone must know her surely.... much love and obligations, rachel xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Wed May 19 22:54:58 1999 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:54:58 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: You may as well delete this now, it's from me... In-Reply-To: <19990519005239.92329.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: I've been trying to hold it in, but the urge has overcome me. I was talking about posting this message, nothing else, cease your dirty minds. On Tue, 18 May 1999, Genevieve Wesley wrote: And we were all happier as a result. And what she said was: > this whole pink cardigan fluffy kitten image is bad,but the other end of the > spectrum is just as dreadfully boring."badasses" with no fear who only talk > about a)latest "wild" drug adventures > b) rebellious sex adventures c)their syphilis and being bloated on a toilet > ...can get pretty lame as well. I was also very suprised to see someone saying we should talk about sex more, obviously Meester Miller hasn't posted enough recently. Personally I quite enjoy hearing about people's personal lives when interesting things are going on, but hey, everyone's different right? With so many people on this list now, no post is ever going to be of interest to everyone; as long as it's of interest to a lot of people, it's worthwhile. Most things are good in moderation (except maybe discussion about the ingredients of soft drinks ;-) ), but if I went on and on all the time about snogging gorgeous students from Edinburgh last weekend half of you would get very bored of me, so I don't. Except I just did. Oh well, it's only happened once, it's not likely to again... So what I'm saying is, talk about what you like, be it smutty or twee, and don't let other people whose own posts bore you worry you. If people don't like what goes on on this list, they're in a minority, and noone's forcing them to stay here. Over the last 2 years I'm sure more posts have bored me than interested me, but I'm still here... Anyway, onto other matters. A few people (and I'm not thinking of anyone in particular here before anyone jumps on me!) seem to think that B&S owe the fans, that because we buy their records they should treat us as well as they can, no matter what the consequences for themselves. But they've given us hours / days / months of enjoyment, so surely we owe them? I think that, purely out of the goodness of their hearts, they've been very good up to now (eg not releasing singles off the albums and making us buy songs twice), but we can't demand that they continue, it's up to them. Much as I'd love more material, it'd be selfish to demand it; I'd love to see more gigs, but the band would suffer so I accept that fact. Oh, and while I'm ranting, don't blame Jeepster either, which songs get released when and which gigs the band play and so on is all decided purely by the band and their manager, not by Jeepster. Well, that was all a bit serious and has probably sent most of you to sleep by now, so I'll stop and get back to wishing I was at Edinburgh University instead of this place... Big Stu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris.jones at xxx.uk Tue May 18 21:51:58 1999 From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:51:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Are other people shy? Message-ID: <199905191741.SAA25850@smtp.saqnet.co.uk> I often wonder why other people can chat up women so easily, yet I can never even bring myself to talk to them. Why is this? I don't like being shy! Does anyone have any remedies for shyness, or is it something that should be nurtured rather than cured, because you see, I don't really know whether it is a bad thing or not. Is shyness the new rock 'n' roll? I tend to like being with other shy people and I wondered if there are any shy sinister girls who could guide me as to how shy gals like to be treated. I know it sounds really pathetic me asking this but i didn't know who else to turn to. Chris Jones. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Wed May 19 16:45:54 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (Katrina House) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:45:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V3 #152 References: Message-ID: <3742DCB2.6FA30C1D@jeepster.co.uk> hello, tigermilk still actually hasn't got a release date in the states yet, but when it does we'll let you know. cheers, Katrina. OLDSCHREC at aol.com wrote: > > Tigermilk has been pushed back to a July 13th release date here in the states. > > Pete > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ ***we are moving on april 1st 1999!*** new postal address is po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.uk Wed May 19 23:00:37 1999 From: ian at xxx.uk (ian) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:00:37 +0100 Subject: Sinister: muttering kites Message-ID: <00d801bea243$4aa3a620$496b883e@default> well...i guess its up to me to say hi to terri.. accept it, love, we've been washed under the tide of newbies...but one day they'll come back to our sandcastle and it'll still be standing. erm..yeah.. i think i'm going to try and answer about 60 things in one email. but i'll probably only manage three.. i'm a bit distracted by mama cass chirruping her way through "my love" and a loud sound from upstairs, either the storm clouds are gathering over the fair city of wolverhampton or some grand pianos are having a party in the flat above. oh, and i'm having the sex on channel 5 pointed out to me. not very interesting sex really, otherwise it wouldn't be on channel 5. so..lesley said ~i've just had the luxury of hearing the gentle waves gig in london thanks to ~special people in my network of confidantes. it's so lovely. it makes me ~feel good. it's like a musical version of st johns wort, or whatever...it ~just a musical version of saint john's wort? ugh. i had some of that once and it gave me stomach ache. you say isobel does the same thing? well, that's all i need to know. by the way lesley, i'd love to hear b&s cover barry white. oddly enough, there's an add for diaorrhea tablets on the telly. now the woman doesn't worry about cacking herself on the bus cos it all comes out of her mouth instead. maybe there's a message in there somewhere. somebody was asking for book recommendations...well, its not english literature but i'd recommend anything by hermann hesse. i've just finished "klingsor's last summer" and its great. and if you're out for a lighter read, try some martin millar.."lux the poet" is great. so...a couple of lines of b&s content... does terri win the prize for longest bowlie tag wearing or does anybody else claim that? i took mine off the day i got back. hit myself in the face by accident. ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.uk Wed May 19 22:46:22 1999 From: ian at xxx.uk (ian) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:46:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Message-ID: <00d701bea243$497d2780$496b883e@default> cynthia: >yeah. he said cosmos. Where are the lefthanders, the flatfooters, and the >open-mouthed, and those with mismatched pairs of socks to proclaim their >alliance with said cosmos? By the way, I keep trying to push the shift key, >but it doesn't always want to obey me. maybe the keyboards (of the world >unite!) are trying to tell me something. actually, its because i'm watching you. and i'm making sure the keyboard doesn't respond to your uncosmic attempts at shiftkeying. i can control an electronic device at thirty feet (makes going into sex shops interesting) remember that bloke you bumped into on the bus? the one that smelled faintly of aniseed? well, that wasn't me. but i can still see everything you are doing. and i'm stealing your biscuits... >nothing b&s related here. >lovelorn (isn't lovelorn a great word?), >Cynthia yes. does it mean longing for love or in love? i know, i could go and get a dictionary but getting off my bum is against my principles. ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.net Thu May 20 01:36:44 1999 From: rebelstrange at xxx.net (Lesley J Miller) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:36:44 -0700 Subject: Sinister: I L*I*K*E S*M*U*T!!! Message-ID: <001301bea258$d6ef95c0$1e11020a@rebelstrange> From: "Chris Jones" there are any shy sinister girls who could guide me as to how shy gals like to be treated. I know it sounds really pathetic me asking this but i didn't know who else to turn to. Now there is a topic close to my heart. dear chris. i wish i could give you advice. when i used to LONG for a shy boy, i was in high school. mayb ei can remember how i wished he would treat me when i found him. i never found one, but that's beside the point by this time. in any case--i'm fairly S** myself but i've gotten better about approaching people i find nice. the subtle approach works for me and is comfortable. give a compliment. if you notice you have something in common, start talking about that. and shuffle your feet, blush and stutter a lot and make pigeontoes, and bat your eyelashes. say "aw, shucks" if they tell you anythign nice about yourself. leave shiny apples on their doorsteps and ALWAYS, make LOTS and LOTS of crush tapes about how they make you feel cos it seems to work for me. well, nearly. IN IT FOR THE MONEY?? well, anyway. if i was selling records i'd probably want to make a ton of money. money really does make you bitter. a social psychology principle tells us that "extrinsic rewards for intrinsically rewarding tasks diminish the enjoyment of the task" i.e. if you get paid for wanking off, gradually you start not having as much fun as you used to. it's worth experimenting on. i've found it true, although not necessarily about wanking per se. Now we see the emergence of the "mean" b&s. what are they, jekyll and hyde? first the camera ripping away, and then stuart making a big mess all over the place. maybe my friends this is the end of our little happy fun time. enjoy it while you can cos the millenium promises the bellesters will be identified as the new anti-christ and all that stuff (anyone ever find back-masking on "Mary Jo"?) i dont' know who said it, but *I* have one of those little special seven inches!! i have one only. and it's quite beautiful. the early bird gets the worm. it's selfish indeed, but oh so worth it to brag about to a bunch of shuffling weirdos......and miniscule in the broader world. haha. "glockenspiel" heehee yay. one person has a crush on me. bugger. i realized how spoiled i got. i think i was under the temporary delusion that i was popular, "for one brief shining moment". you see i've never been popular in my life. list crush was the only thing holding me up some days. (yeah) i dont' know it's gibberish, though, sour grapes. who is this "trousers" fellow? must be some rash newbie. ;) i'd better disabuse myself of the idea that i'm popular. it could like, ruin me for the rest of mylife. i realize this could sound like some underhanded attempt at getting sympathy. aww well fuck it then. you just can't win can you? weejay, i dont think i ever read any of those stories you listed. oh except the great gatsby. (no capitals mind you) it was rather nice i spose. my favorite character was Jordan. she was a tomboy. he. i can't help it, flapper girls were the cutest. i know they all drank like fish and probably had about 20 diseases. they were still fab. mm djuna barnes was really pretty in the 20's. there were a lot of loveley girls in the 20's, (but not gertrude stein) maybe that's sexist of me to say so, they should be considered on their talents, but they were pretty as well. anway i haven't read any of the other things. i've heard Jeanette winterson compared to Milan Kundera, but i have been trepidatious about reading anything by himj--- i'm EXTREMELY fickle about my fiction. half the books i start i put down before they are through because they bore me. (i have "issues".) But, i did enjoy MUCHLY the Nine Stories by uh, that guy. Salinger, the old perv. he may be an old perv, and all that, but those stories are really fabulous with a couple exceptions. i was shocked. we should really have a sinister book club. we could all read franny and zooey, and the bell jar, and cat's cradle and oranges are not the only fruit and the children's hour and tea and sympathy and the color purple. you know what? i read a HORRID quote by Vonnegut the other day that was incredibly sexist. he said "educating a woman is like pouring honey on a fine swiss watch, it stops working". naturally i was offended and horrified. that doesnt' mean i enjoy cat's cradle less, but i'll remember to be cautious in the future. anyone see that JOan of Arc thing on US tv?? i'll grant it was actually pretty accurate, they didnt' take as many liberties as i expected, and it wasn't too sensational. the girl who played her had a really nice sort of chaste prettiness to her, and the scenes of the people in chain armor on their horses in thes now with swords and things, well they were massive, and rather poetic, actually. there was a lot of "action" but what do you expect. from network tv. okay this post sucks! but i *did* respond to things other people said, so i was good. i still hate this day. ERRRGH this day should take a flying leap. well i'm gonna go now. maybe i'll call my pretend girlfriend, or maybe the other one actually. sometime ask Mark C to sing "Losing IT" in Italian. it's a bash! LJ http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange The boat that brings us here will crack beneath your weight. This is territory you cannot invade. "I'll go and play with words and pictures" SAVE MST3K!!!! http://www.mst3kinfo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ahab0125 at xxx.com Thu May 20 00:36:46 1999 From: Ahab0125 at xxx.com (Ahab0125 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:36:46 EDT Subject: Sinister: Premier post. Message-ID: <1e41db3b.2474a50e@aol.com> Hello, It seems as though I've been given a "voice" amid a light flurry of controversy. I would like to respond to what Tim and Elle have been saying in particular. I don't think it is at all irrational to place a high consideration on the relationship between artists and their art; a genuine sincerity leads the two to become inseparable. "Art" made strictly for the money is a product and the "artist" a craftsman. This doesn't mean, however, that artists capable of earning a living from their art are guilty of this, in fact it is unfair to look upon a complete lack of consideration for a career as the only true sign of sincerity. If an artist creates something as a result of an honest impulse and they can potentially stand to gain from it why not do so? If the hope of gain serves as that initial impulse then it's a different story, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. Obscurity and neglect are too often glorified. Some artists begin with something perverted by that hope of gain, while others later become perverted by it. I don't think Belle and Sebastian can be accused of either. If their next album sounds like Sugar Ray I'll stand corrected. I don't think that their "media-shyness" involves any posturing, rather it seems to indicate a greater focus on doing what they do instead of surrendering to the lure of media hype. I do agree that anything can and should be looked upon critically, but sometimes if one goes looking in search of an ill motivation it will be found, whether it's there or not. As far as Jeepster goes, record companies are businesses and seldom patrons of the arts...Although the same principle applies, a heartfelt interest in the bands who's records they sell ought to be maintained, and to me it seems as though this is true of Jeepster. They seem to be fair to the listeners as well. That's all. James +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vlass at xxx.com Thu May 20 01:38:51 1999 From: vlass at xxx.com (vlass at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:38:51 -0400 Subject: Sinister: underwear and winter wooskie? Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990520003851.00b32130@mail.interlog.com> first there's teri signing off: >ciao >the real teri and em (older, better, and smarter) there's ian saying: >well...i guess its up to me to say hi to terri.. accept it, love, we've been >washed under the tide of newbies.. and then there's me, surprised, because i've never met so many "ter(r)i's" in one place at once! i mean, with certain names you expect it.. but teri? hello, then, my compadres. see, we're lucky because we get to think that in "the stars of track and field" stuart is singing, "you only did it so that you could wear ter(r)i's underwear...". YEAH! there is a high demand of people wanting to wear ter(r)i underwear, you know. (although, i did find it especially funny that teri's flatmate is also named em(ily).. what are the odds? well okay, maybe they're pretty good, but still) props to nick dastoor for putting up those song lyrics. i don't think i've seen the full hardcopy of "century of elvis" anywhere. ahh, and he's saying they're watching the E-FILES.. for the life of me, i could never quite discern what stuart was saying. a question though.. what is 'Winter Wooskie'? that's one song i haven't heard anything about.. lesley-wo (wellllcome back!) asked: > anyone see that JOan of Arc thing on US tv?? i didn't see it, but cat power is showing the joan of arc film on her neat little multimedia tour. it's silent, and there are some pretty crazy closeups of joan's eyes.. i like giving "props" to people, it's fun to write.. props to y'all teri xx http://members.tripod.com/~meltingsnow/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Thu May 20 04:14:49 1999 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:14:49 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Two Posts in a Day - I'm a Bastard Message-ID: <37437E29.F6653C35@ohiou.edu> Don't ask me what three means, but it's worse than two. Er, so I'll try to keep it short. Anyway, to Teri, Winter Wooskie or Woofkie or whatever the heck the spelling is is a new song. Didn't they play it at Bowlie? I wasn't there but I saw the setlist posted, I think they played it in Ireland too. Anyway, if memory serves Stu D takes singing duties, and the name is a nickname for Karn. And then on to what Elle said.. First of all, what's all this about wanking? Second of all she said this: > My point was - WHEN HAVE JEEPSTER EVER DONE WRONG BY US? The answer > is never. Firstly, I never intended to blame the Tigermilk thing on Jeepster, my qualm with the label is elsewhere. Well, this is obviously just a matter of opinion, but as Tim mentioned in his posts, Jeepster's treatment of the Gentle Waves 7" was a little odd. Quite a number of people expressed dismay at this, so I don't think Tim is in a minority and I agree with him. The point is, if they're in it for the fans, why make a limited edition 7" that costs 5 pounds? I mean, I usually buy my records in dollars, so I don't know exactly how exorbitant that is, but doing the conversion in my head, it seems more than a tad bit harsh. Surely collector fodder, or why limit the pressing? I'm just glad they only put a french version of an album tune as a b-side, so that I wasn't tempted to get it. also... > Yes, we do - but what is the hubbub about? Jeepster DON'T charge 40 > pounds per album - so why the fuss? My personal fussing was over the suggestion that we as fans had no right to criticize the decisions of a band or label. Lastly > The point is that Jeepster is a GOOD label, they make mistakes, but at > the core of that label is Mark's belief in his bands. I'm not saying Jeepster is a *bad* label, but mistakes are mistakes, and if they deserve a criticism or two, so be it. It's not the end of the world, after all. /"\_/"\_/"\ Brian Pennington, a.k.a. Mick McMick; Sandcastle Records \ / bp224996 at ohiou.edu ICQ#5056758 | | Sandcastle Recs Homepage: http://www.frognet.net/~mick/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | -Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordi-tv at xxx.com Thu May 20 05:39:19 1999 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 05:39:19 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <19990520083919.HM.0000000000120tK@mixmail.com> Hi, people: This e-mail server makes my posts look like some kind of weird long telegrams, but that�s the only way I can post an ything. I agree that it�s not fair just to make 10 00 copies of a 7" single, but, in the other hand, it would be also unfair take benefits of making 25.000 people pay for only a french version of a song that they�ll have in the album. I think that "weathershow" was released just to promote the album, not for getting any benefits for them. And in my local store I only had to pay less than 3 pounds. Diiferent topic: The boss of the lovely spanish label Elefant records told me some time ago that they were expecting to release a limited edition 7" from Sal ako for their cool "Single club" , which releases 12 vinyl singles a year only paying a subscription. Is it true ?If that�s true I think i�m going to subscribe, as they expect to have rel eases from Cinerama as well. Oh, and finally, the morrissey-solo website is having a discussion about the B&S select article, and the majority of the opinions are positive to our twee heros. Let�s take our toy swords and in vade the site: www.morrissey-solo.com Bye ============================== ==================== Jordiet Sinistre ================================================== Tu E-Mail Gratis en http://www.mixmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elu488 at xxx.uk Thu May 20 10:45:54 1999 From: elu488 at xxx.uk (Suave & Elegant) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:45:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Summat POSITIVE(!) Message-ID: <3743D9D2.FFB8D555@bangor.ac.uk> Well, well, well. It seems like the Iain thing has all blown over now, and everything can return to how it was, hopefully with everyone feeling more content and fulfilled after the storm. The reason I haven't posted in the last couple of days ISN'T because I've been sitting here laughing maniacally at the erupting maelstrom as some of you may think (Certain accusations of me attempting to stir up trouble and 'enjoy the fallout' have been bandied about ... perhaps understandably, but it's woefully inaccurate). I've had a lot of personal messages from people who agreed with what I was trying to point out (by the way, I'm now sacrificing babies in honour of anyone who called me 'eloquent' - cheers!) but I think things may have got a little out of hand. I'm not some kind of confrontation enthusiast, and my intention was definitely NOT to turn a friendly, vibrant and (for want of a better word) cool list such as this into the WWF Super-Corduroyweight championships ... to be honest, most of the inspiration came from a misguided need to express myself. I'm also a creative writing student who's fully aware of the fact that I write more fluently and expressively when I'm trying to argue. There's no need for anyone to post anything else defending the list and its subscribers - just look through the archives and you'll find that everything posted in the last two days does that itself. There was no better proof of the maturity, insight and intelligence of the majority of the list than the way the brief carry-on was dealt with. Yes, some folk hastily grabbed their pitchforks, mounted their soapbox and revealed themselves to be a little too close to Iain's stereotype for comfort, but that was only a minority. Nobody ever said that there was a HUGE 'problem' on this list, and hopefully there never will be. As long as there's never any snobbery and elitism, that is. Something slightly worrying did arise however ; the word 'fake' was used on more than one occasion. Although the label was never directed towards anyone in particular, there's no need to use that word. It's a Manics fans' word, that. Remember that when the lines are drawn between fans there's always some kind of trouble. I was actually attacked once at a Manics gig (two girls almost gave me a solid kicking - mock if you will) for allegedly being a 'Richeyphile fake'. Does anyone want to see that kind of self-righteous piffle appearing here? Of course not. Just make sure it doesn't. P.S - I don't seriously use 'Suave And Elegant' as a description of myself. As anyone who has encountered my photo yet will testify, 'Rough and Unremarkable would be more accurate! A whole lot more love Ciarán -- ------------ Ciarán Lynch elu488 at bangor.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah_drayton at xxx.com Thu May 20 12:40:10 1999 From: sarah_drayton at xxx.com (Sarah Drayton) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 04:40:10 PDT Subject: Sinister: Non B+S message Message-ID: <19990520114011.99798.qmail@hotmail.com> This is a just a quick e-mail for Jacqui. Jacqui, I can't seem to get through to your e-mail address for some unknown reason(is there something wrong with your e-mail account?). Anyway, please mail me again and I'll try again to send you my message. Sorry everyone else! :) sarah ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From koogy at xxx.uk Thu May 20 15:31:22 1999 From: koogy at xxx.uk (andrew dean) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:31:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: White Horses References: <199905192159.PAA18250@turtle.esosoft.net> Message-ID: <37441CBA.C7941AB2@clara.co.uk> (oops, this turned out to be very long. still, i've not posted in 2 months so...) > Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:21:35 -0700 > From: "Elish Hope" > Yes, we do - but what is the hubbub about? Jeepster DON'T charge 40 pounds > per album - so why the fuss? In fact, when labels do the singles for the > 1.99 for the first week, they all lose money. they lose money on that single (but then haven't i read somewhere that most singles lose money?) but usually they use the single as an advertisment for whatever lp it was taken from. now, b&s are good to us in as much as none of the singles they have released (so far) have contained anything from any album (something sarah records also used to do*). compare this to 'thriller' or something which had eight singles taken from it. > Major labels do it to get in > the charts, Jeepster did it when they weren't even eligible for the charts > due to the 4 song EP rule. no they didn't. only one b&s ep has been 1.99 during it's first week of release (i forget which one but i remember this cos i bought 3 at the time. and i think one of the others was 2.99) and that was whilst 4 song eps were still eligible. that said, '3,6,9...' was actually a 5 song ep which wouldn't've counted. (koogy looks in his records and sees that 'dog on wheels' was 2.99, 'llpj' was 3.99, '3, 6, 9...' was 1.99 and 'MRS' was 3.49, 'sinister' was 12.49, as was '...arab strap' (all cd versions). and 'tigermilk' was 8 quid including postage) > My point was - WHEN HAVE JEEPSTER EVER DONE WRONG BY US? The answer is > never. the answer is 'not yet' (unless you count the gentle waves single debacle that tim mentioned). i saw somewhere that the next two looper singles will contain tracks from the lp, an lp that already has two singles taken from it and was only 38 minutes long to begin with. (looper was 14.99 in my local shop btw although i got it from the rough trade instore for 11.99. it cost 12 pounds to record according to 'the face') > Actually that isn't too bad for > a band that took 11 hours or so to sound check at Bowlie as reports said. how can this possibly be true? given that the bands on sunday started at 4:15 then did b&s soundcheck starting at 5am the previous morning? and if they had soundchecked for 11 hours would stuart's saxaphone have made that pathetic little whine when he tried to play it? father damo: > The Smiths > and were shamelessly marketing themselves to a similar piece of the market, > and were quite good at it, weren't they? I still like the music, and I'm > not convinced they had no respect for what they were doing. the smiths were also fans of the 'no singles from lps' thing although they were very sneaky about it and whilst the a-side of most of their singles didn't appear on any lp, the b-sides of many of them did (this being back in the days of 2 track 7" singles) > Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:59:17 -0230 > From: "erika balsom" i wonder if erika has a brother called alberto? nick dastor wrote: > (the lyrics to all the unreleased b&s tunes) nick, you have too much time on your hands. 8) can anyone (and i'm thinking now of two people in a flat in attercliffe road who probably know better than anyone) if the 'landslide' song they played at camber sands was an original or a cover version? it sounded very convincingly motown / girl groupish. also, speaking of camber sands songs, i can't believe the decision to play 'the kids are alright' wasn't influenced by all the talk on the list of The Who. maybe if we mention 'White Horses' enough times they'll do that at the next gig... paint along with andy *except of course sarah 614, even as we speak - feral pop frenzy which contained the lead track from the 'one step forward' single as a favour to the band as it was hard to get hold of in their native australia. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnk at xxx.gr Thu May 20 16:18:02 1999 From: johnk at xxx.gr (John Koliopanos) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 18:18:02 +0300 Subject: Sinister: White Horses References: <199905192159.PAA18250@turtle.esosoft.net> <37441CBA.C7941AB2@clara.co.uk> Message-ID: <374427AA.902C0D65@flash.gr> > *except of course sarah 614, even as we speak - feral pop frenzy which > contained the lead track from the 'one step forward' single as a favour > to the band as it was hard to get hold of in their native australia. it contained the lead track from the 'beautiful day' single as well. now that was pedantic. doh! johnk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alan.singfield at xxx.com Thu May 20 16:51:23 1999 From: alan.singfield at xxx.com (Alan Singfield) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:51:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Drinks that are nicer than warm flat Panda Cola (just) Message-ID: <6357CBA4ECC4D211A67C00805FD787D7065C4B@shuban.isoftplc.com> If you think Dr.Pepper tastes bad, wait 'til you try Dr.Salt! Spanners. >-< +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jim.Schmidt at xxx.com Thu May 20 17:09:50 1999 From: Jim.Schmidt at xxx.com (Jim Schmidt) Date: Thu, 20 May 99 09:09:50 MST Subject: Sinister: the new who revue Message-ID: <9904209272.AA927216781@mail.newtimes.com> i just wanted to say hello and thank you to everyone i met at bowlie...i just got back from my european vacation and apart from dodging bombs, it was highly enjoyable. > a very special thanks to pam berry for organizing the bus!!! you are truly the best. (sorry i missed your party, but i was a little too close to the bombing the night before)...christa (if you're still on the list)--sorry we didn't hook up in london--but i'll send you something special, you teenage fannie, as soon as i get back on west coast time...and pedraic--thanks for showing me how the irish drink...of course, i missed all the sinister socials cuz i was too busy shagging my chalet-mates...but the entire weekend was truly something special...the fascist security guards snatching professional cameras and recording equipment was a bit distressing but danger makes everything more fun, now doesn't it? > i was a bit disturbed to hear about the dublin show with stuart smashing his guitar (i just found out about it today)...but you know they played "the kids are allright" as their last song at bowlie, so maybe stuart thinks he's in the who now as they pretty much started that whole smashing guitar thing...and as for all this conversation about early demos, 10-hour sound checks, the re-release of 'tigermilk', etc., just keep in mind 'all virgos are mad'...and our favorite stuart m. is one of the cursed... > cheers everyone.jim. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Thu May 20 17:47:34 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:47:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: White Horses Message-ID: <80256777.005C3F79.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> > Actually that isn't too bad for > a band that took 11 hours or so to sound check at Bowlie as reports said. Andy rubbed his chin: >how can this possibly be true? given that the bands on sunday started at >4:15 then did b&s soundcheck starting at 5am the previous morning? and >if they had soundchecked for 11 hours would stuart's saxaphone have made >that pathetic little whine when he tried to play it? Well I was a bit confused by this report too, but then I heard that what they meant was that a day or so previously they had soundchecked all day at another location. I suppose you could technically call that a rehearsal, seeing as the acoustics were bound to differ. Anyway, they'd obviously put a lot of effort in one way or another - intersong 'Pinteresque' pauses were cut dramatically and generally the sound was excellent. And as for the pathetic whining noise - that was because I had sabotaged Stuart's saxophone as part of my 'Let's Kick Saxophones Out Of Rock' campaign. Talking of Camber Sands people have been squealing about tapes. I can do a few (maybe five?) for people if they'd like. I'd be esp. pleased if in return someone can give me a tape of 'Rhoda' or a non-Beat Patrol version of 'Loneliness of the Middle Distance Runner' but it doesn't matter if you can't. Email me.... Nick, who does indeed have far too much time on his hands. Would anyone like some of it? xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.EDU Thu May 20 18:26:54 1999 From: ynoh at xxx.EDU (Youn Jong Noh) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: White Horses In-Reply-To: <80256777.005C3F79.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Message-ID: > Talking of Camber Sands people have been squealing about tapes. I can do a few > (maybe five?) for people if they'd like. I'd be esp. pleased if in return > someone can give me a tape of 'Rhoda' or a non-Beat Patrol version of > 'Loneliness of the Middle Distance Runner' but it doesn't matter if you can't. > Email me.... Yes please. But I don't have anything valuable to give you in return. I made a tape of random songs for Alasdair Cook - the football star - (2 in fact) and he liked them, so that is about all I have to offer. > Nick, who does indeed have far too much time on his hands. Would anyone like > some of it? If I went to England during the summer, would you let me buy you a drink and give me an introduction to Fluffy Sarah and Stephen Trousers and Alisa Ross? cheers, youn +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lucy.munro at xxx.uk Thu May 20 18:28:59 1999 From: lucy.munro at xxx.uk (Lucy Munro) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 18:28:59 +0100 (British Summer Time) Subject: Sinister: hugs and kisses Message-ID: Rachel said: > what i was wondering was if anyone had any info on this singer/songwriter susie hug (?) whose song 'the unbelievers' they covered. it was absolutely fantastic and i want to check her out, see if she is any good. so could any of you kind people help? someone must know her surely.... < Unless there are two Susie Hugs around (which seems unlikely) she used to be in a band called Katydids which had a rather wonderful single out a few years ago called "Lights Out" and a couple of albums, one of which was produced by Nick Lowe (a *good* thing). Nobody bought the albums and they split up. That's all I know, apart from the fact that Travis had one of her songs (can't remember which) on one of their singles. Again, I can't remember which one (sorry, this isn't very helpful, is it???) - I did have it, but I gave it to one of my flatmates because she liked their single that was on Top of the Pops a few weeks ago. I think the sleeve was red and green. (Shades of Brian Glover's character in Porridge: "I read a book once. Green it was.") Um. I'm probably showing my ignorance and lack of sophistication here, but I was reading Stephane's story in the library and it mentions someone drinking "le cidre anglais". Why "anglais" please? Went to the Jazz Cafe on Sunday to (as it turned out) stand gawping at the brilliance of Robert Forster and Grant McLennan. Stevie Trousers is absolutely right about Robert's makeup, though we were pleased to see that he'd cut his hair since he played in London last year when it was fast approaching mullet status. I had to hurry to get there, as I'd been to a party for a friend's first communion - v. odd as I'm a non-Catholic agnostic. Is that mixture of sacred and prophane with a dollop of indie-pop B&S enough? I haven't posted in ages, but I'd like to say that I now regret not having bought tickets for Bowlie, I've done my penance, and I'd like apologise to anyone whose feet I trod on at the Betsey Trotwood on the Thursday before. I now realise that I was drowning my sorrows in advance. Isn't Harvey good, though? Lucy ---------------------- Lucy Munro lucy.munro at kcl.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Thu May 20 18:29:11 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:29:11 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Dreams... Message-ID: <000001bea2e6$46a440e0$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> It seems we have a Fraggle on our hands. Sorry to those who are tired of hearing about it. But here's a little story. Several years ago I moved to London to work as a music photographer - I use that term very loosely. I did a lot of work, went on a lot of tours, etc... My one dream was to have a photo in an album cover. It seemed that would never happen. I had done video stills and single work, but never an album. Then the Belle's used a photo of Belle that I had taken on the gatefold. Wow. It was a dream come true. So much so that I then retired from doing photographic work. My work is good, but I felt I had accomplished the goal I had set for myself. I thought it was a good time to stop. I was always worried about not having accomplished anything. That I would just move back to America, get married and wonder at the age of 35 what I had done with my life. I wanted something more from my life than to just be some polyester bride. I have that. Perhaps I lack ambition or I set my sights too low, but I am totally happy with myself and my career. That gatefold is framed on my wall and is a reminder to myself that dreams come true, because mine did. Soppy and sad. Perhaps. But that is how I feel. Say what you like about Jeepster, about the Belle's, but don't expect me to sit idly by and listen. With that, I throw my hat in the ring and wave my white flag. Please no more emails to me about the price of this and the price of that. I don't care that much. I only care that there are a lot of people on this list who feel the way I do about Jeepster and the Belle's. I don't feel like I owe them anything, or whatever, I just don't see the sense in planning on Jeepster failing us and whatnot. I only want to go to pic nics and meet-ups where people have similar interests to me and have fun. That's what the Sinister list is about. Snoggs, elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.EDU Thu May 20 18:45:04 1999 From: ynoh at xxx.EDU (Youn Jong Noh) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: sorry for the previous email Message-ID: it wasn't meant to disturb everyone on the list. how embarrassing. and maybe it's even worse to trouble everyone again to apologize. i would hyperventilate everytime the phone rings if i didn't already know that the calls were all for my roommate. a boy in my hall told me that lower case is supposed to be easier to read -perceptually/physiologically or whatever - and he should know 'cos he's supersmart and he works in a lab where they do mri's (magnetic resonance imaging or something like that). cheers, youn +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From RACALLEN at xxx.uk Thu May 20 18:21:21 1999 From: RACALLEN at xxx.uk (CALLENDAR R) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 18:21:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Shyness is nice and shyness can stop you.... Message-ID: ...from doing all the things in life you want to... To return to the question from Chris[?] about how he, being shy, can meet shy girls..well, I'm very shy when it comes to chatting people up. My ideal guy would be shy, and often if I see someone I fancy, they do turn out to be shy when we are finally encouraged to talk. The trouble is, even with some eye contact, I am still too shy to approach them and if they are shy as well then we are doomed to just glance/stare at eachother across the dancefloor for the whole night. I always say that I want people to come up to me. Unfortunately those that do approach me I do not fancy myself. The best method for a shy boy to talk to a potential partner or friend is to get one of your friends to go and get the person you like. It saves alot of time. Happened to me last night. The strange thing is that I can go up to someone I don't fancy without any problems, and being an actor, I can publically display myself on stage without problems either. Are there any other shy people on the list who feel the same way? How do you get together with people you fancy? IN IT FOR THE MONEY. There are two schools of thought about Belle & Sebastian and Jeepster that their shyness of the media is because they don't want to whore themselves to the detriment of their art OR that it is a ploy to attract listeners from a particular sector of the music buying public. If that is the case then they have succeeded. And well done to them. Personally I don't think that making money is bad. It is what you do with it that counts and how it affects you. If you use your money to improve your art or to help others then that is good. But if you waste your money and get greedy and let your music or art suffer because of that, then that is bad. Money in the right hands can do alot of good. So do not chastise a band or record company for striving to better themselves through making money. If Jeepster can make more money they can find and sign up more bands like (or totally different to) Belle & Sebastian. As long as the bands they sign make beautiful music and/or have something interesting to say then I think that is good. What do others think. Just a brief note: I was under the impression that it costs under a pound to actually press a CD, and even after publicity costs, artwork e.t.c a CD that is MASS PRODUCED and sold for £1.99 can make money. Certainly, with ALBUMS, the cost to make an album is considerably less than what they are sold for. VERY small record companies have to sell their albums at a higher cost because they have to pay for and do alot of the publicity themselves. Whether or not Jeepster can be seen as one such record company nowdays is another matter. I recently bought the 'Dog on Wheels' and 'This is Just a Modern Rock Song' EPs for £5 each in HMV. Why they cost this I do not know. That's all. Goodbye for now. //ROB xx http://www.angelfire.com/ga/yindiescene/index2.html -----Original Message----- From: Jim Schmidt To: sinister at Majordomo.net Sent: 20/05/99 17:09 Subject: Sinister: the new who revue i just wanted to say hello and thank you to everyone i met at bowlie...i just got back from my european vacation and apart from dodging bombs, it was highly enjoyable. > a very special thanks to pam berry for organizing the bus!!! you are truly the best. (sorry i missed your party, but i was a little too close to the bombing the night before)...christa (if you're still on the list)--sorry we didn't hook up in london--but i'll send you something special, you teenage fannie, as soon as i get back on west coast time...and pedraic--thanks for showing me how the irish drink...of course, i missed all the sinister socials cuz i was too busy shagging my chalet-mates...but the entire weekend was truly something special...the fascist security guards snatching professional cameras and recording equipment was a bit distressing but danger makes everything more fun, now doesn't it? > i was a bit disturbed to hear about the dublin show with stuart smashing his guitar (i just found out about it today)...but you know they played "the kids are allright" as their last song at bowlie, so maybe stuart thinks he's in the who now as they pretty much started that whole smashing guitar thing...and as for all this conversation about early demos, 10-hour sound checks, the re-release of 'tigermilk', etc., just keep in mind 'all virgos are mad'...and our favorite stuart m. is one of the cursed... > cheers everyone.jim. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------++----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From robhalcrow at lineone.net Thu May 20 18:50:01 1999 From: robhalcrow at lineone.net (robhalcrow at lineone.net) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 18:50:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Geoff's Drowning in Oxo! Message-ID: <199905201750.SAA01389@boober.lineone.net> Oh the comedy of mis-hearing lyrics. I'm sure I've just heard the singer out of Sleater-Kinney screaming about Geoff and his Oxo difficulties. The Sinister section on this subject is very funny. "Me and the midget" makes a lot of sense. Tripple X-Weeejay asked about which book to get. Of the ones on the list I've only read "The Great Gatsby" but in my opinion it's brilliant. Very easy to read, and very evocative too. I've read bits by the other writers but not the books you mention. Fitzgerald is very good though. Someone else mentioned Camus. I read "The outsider" and some short pieces and couldn't see what all the fuss was about. Am I missing something? Watching TV the other night I saw this bloke in a gaudy yellow suit and lots of make up singing away. "Blimey" I thought, "Bryan Ferry's looking rough" but it wasn't. It was that bloke out of The Go Betweens. Ha ha. Last night I went to see Mel and Sue (of Light/Late Lunch fame) and they were brilliant. Really funny. They do a hilarious take off of Kraftwerk/ Gary Numan/80s robot synth pop. I laughed meself silly. Go and see em if you can. Like a sad fan I queued up afterwards to meet them and they were very friendly. On that subject and the recent kerfuffle on this list I believe that you should be try and be friendly, and if you can't be friendly you can at least be polite. Just cos you think someone's a wanker you don't have to tell them. If someone annoys you in the playground then just go away. And while I'm at it I'm not really twee. I play football, I'm a Sunderland supporter (congratulations Peter et al) and very often I'm a right cynical bastard. I'm shy by nature, not by choice. Am I rambling now? I think so. Love Rob +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Thu May 20 18:57:41 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:57:41 EDT Subject: Sinister: Money, money, money Message-ID: <5bc92a78.2475a715@aol.com> Hello you! A discussion - nice! :-) Elle always says the things I want to say, but can't because I'm not that good at speaking (or writing) English. I'm also on Jeepster's side. When I was in England for the last time a month ago, I was shocked when I saw the CD prices at HMV etc. I bet you won't find "Tigermilk" at any recordshop in the UK for 8 pounds. And about being "in it for the money" - well, of course, being a loyal fan, I also like to believe that B & S are not, but let's face it - don't we all need money to live??? Even musicians have to eat, wear clothes, pay bills etc. But if someone actually does "something pretty" for their money (unlike me) we should be happy and don't moan about it. I'm really looking forward to the re-release because my tape isn't the best quality either, and I don't care when it will be or why, as long as I get it! By the way: Is David Kitchen back on the list? Bye Antje +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jim.Schmidt at xxx.com Thu May 20 19:19:33 1999 From: Jim.Schmidt at xxx.com (Jim Schmidt) Date: Thu, 20 May 99 11:19:33 MST Subject: Sinister: bowlie bracelets Message-ID: <9904209272.AA927224702@mail.newtimes.com> "does terri win the prize for longest bowlie tag wearing or does anybody else claim that?" --i'm glad i wasn't the only fool running around with mine on long after the fest was over (it finally broke off on may 9th in a bathtub in paris)...i really wanted it to last until i got back to the states as it was keeping me safe on my travels, but that hard parisian water was just too too much. just a little side note for those who haven't been fortunate to see b&s live...i travelled quite a distance to see them...i had an incredible weekend, met a slew of people i'll never forget...but standing in a sweatied, dehydrated, ever-pushing-to-the-front-"i-wanna-be-closer-to-my-gods" mass of people made me realize what i enjoy about b&s the most--listening to them by myself or with my closest friends...i'd see them again in a heartbeat, but it was the overall feeling of the festival and not seeing the band which made the weekend extraordinary...in a hippie kind of way, it was the first in a long time that i've felt the true meaning of "community"...the fact that they headlined it provided the nature of that community and whoever headlines the next will dictate the nature of the people and bands who gather together to form that community...long live bowlie! ok, enough mush. cheers.jim. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ol01 at xxx.uk Thu May 20 20:04:22 1999 From: ol01 at xxx.uk (The Narrow Wizard) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:04:22 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: too shy (does anyone remember Kajagoogoo?) Message-ID: Thought that as an official shy guy I should get in on this topic of how we should get with women that we like. I have to say I really don't know how it's done and I have never in my life chatted up a woman or even thought seriously about trying it. I wouldn't know where to begin and I know that I'd just make an absolute fool of myself. I am however a pretty friendly guy and I've found that on the rare occaisions when I do talk to women (in classes or if I'm introduced by a mutual friend are about the only times) I usually get on well with them. This usually leads to one of 2 things. Sometimes I have a new friend and though I'd often like to be more than friends I do appreciate these friendships. Sometimes however the woman im talking to grabs me and starts kissing me!(what can I say...I guess some people are a lot less shy than me) Now this is my point, I'm a pretty ugly guy and quite socially inept but this sort of thing still happens to me. My advice to the legions of the shy...just be yourself (god what a cliche) and you'll find that women (or men I suppose) who like you will come your way and you'll get lots of new friends who maybe will introduce you to others that may like you (or maybe as happened to me they'll give you a copy of tigermilk (wow a bit of B&S content)) I guess that's all i really want to say....sorry for taking up your time with my pathetic observations. Oh and hi to Rob....nice to know there's another sunderland fan in here. have a good one and have one for me owen With that the narrow wizard waggled his bushy eyebrows and disappeared in a flash of blue flame leaving behind only a faint smell of cinnamon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SPRFNK at xxx.com Thu May 20 20:00:54 1999 From: SPRFNK at xxx.com (SPRFNK at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:00:54 EDT Subject: Sinister: question for you UK people Message-ID: <851a2f0.2475b5e6@aol.com> is it bad to go to the UK in august because someone said there is a big holiday there and everything is closed--let me know thanks-sorry for this email bye kristin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Thu May 20 20:11:56 1999 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E Hamilton) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:11:56 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Yo Ho Ho, I'm back! Message-ID: <003301bea2f4$a3e275c0$ca404ace@woody> Friends, lovers, let us unite in my triumphant return (you in the back, stop your laughing) Well, where do I begin? Honestly, a starting point for a reflection upon my week er so stay in London is indeed not worthy of words, but rather thoughts thrown about, but unfortunately for you all, the latter isn't effective, to say the least. Well, I'll start off by saying that I did not, unfortunately, run into sir Jarvis. How I looked and peered around every street corner for the tall aging hipster, but alas, his portal only traveled with me in the form of a poster I happened to find at Camden Town on Sunday. Needless to say, I grabbed two Jarvis posters, as well as several choice cds, including the new Mercury Rev, Parklife (my old tape has had it), Gentle Waves, er um, lots of Ronnie Lane, finally got enough courage to buy a Nick Drake cd and of course, the Magnetic Fields. It should be noted that Get Lost did indeed win my "I Need a New CD (and attention)" contest, so being a stickler for truth and honesty, I did indeed purchase said product. All of my music is fabulous, though the Mercury Rev, though beautiful for the majority of the album, has some rather odd and disturbing bits, such as that disgusting guitar part towards the beginning of Hudson Line and the gross techno syncopated mess at the end of Delta Sun Yarr Haha. But I like it all mostly. Let me continue to say that I indeed love London. Immensely. If anything I enjoyed the big candy bars found in vending machines near the tube. If anything could subside a three minute wait, it was a mound of choco. We didn't do a lot of tourist stuff. I made Oxford and Piccadilly my home, saw a few plays, walked around a lot, read poetry in little book stores and wore my Stow shirt at least once. Somebody should have stopped me if they were indeed of the sinister variety. Bugger. I'm sorry to say that a whole slew of you sent me mails, but a day too late, so I was not able to meet anyone, hmph. Even the illustrious Funky Seb seemed too elusive. Rats. Well I'm going to stop now for it seems I've forgotten how to post. I'll work on it, and for the record, Mr Hamilton doesn't deserve his Salem-esque banishment and Dr Pepper is my lifeblood. Cheers, love and a happy day love always blake +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Kt788 at xxx.com Thu May 20 20:35:28 1999 From: Kt788 at xxx.com (Kt788 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:35:28 EDT Subject: Sinister: useless first post... Message-ID: <57d5f9fd.2475be00@aol.com> Hello all you sinister darlings, I am yet another fresh-faced newbie who has just been given a voice, but quite fankly, I'm not really sure what to do with it. But you all seem like kind hearted souls, so I'll just go for it anyway. Well first of all (and yes, I know you've heard enough of it already) I'm a little saddened by all this Dr.Pepper bashing. It's the most original cola and my favorite beverage. David J wanted to know what the american version was like. It's pure, sweet liquid goodness and i'd be more than happy to send you some, if you'd like, David. Oh, and I've always thought of Dr. Pepper himself to be an old-time charlatan selling his sweet drink as an elixir for what ails you. second, Chris Jones wondered if being shy is a good or bad thing. Well, it is neither good nor bad, it just is. and you shouldn't nurture it or try to cure it for that matter. Being what you are should come naturally, no effort needed. If for some reason some day you are no longer shy, that is fine, too. But you shouldn't try and change yourself (unless, of course, you are being hurtful) because that is what growing up and evolution are for, and in that case you are still who you always were. Tips from a shy girl on how to treat a shy girl: tell her she's got pretty hair, sing her a sappy ' 60s tune (but no Monkees!), and bring her daisies to put in her pretty hair. but most importantly, don't put on any airs. Most of us shy kids ( as you probably know already) can see right through that sorta thing. Let's hope I didn't give away too many secrets ( shy gals are notorious for being suckers even when we know we're being had because we can't help being so nice). Ah, as usual, I've managed to babble on, making no sense at all. sorry. If you've made it this far, thanks for your patience. Next time some b&s related stuff I hope. love, Juniper +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From zoe.parsons at xxx.uk Thu May 20 20:50:58 1999 From: zoe.parsons at xxx.uk (janetzx) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:50:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: useless first post... Message-ID: <000c01bea2fa$14f86760$52b501a3@stu082.sjc.ox.ac.uk> >I'm a little saddened by all this Dr.Pepper bashing. It's the most original >cola and my favorite beverage. I thought it was (deep and resonant voice thing here)... "NOT a cola! It is NOT a cola!" well that's how it's sold to us here in britain. but then anything that gives us chance to bash american culture tends to sell things here... :o) sooo... you over there get a better version? is Irn Bru nicer in scotland? do any of you Scottich music-type folks know of a band called Amaryllis? they were a duo who did hallucinogenic folk-acousticky-rock back in a decade beginning with s. and they were scottish. and wonderful. love janet. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Thu May 20 20:03:54 1999 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:03:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the true cost In-Reply-To: <5bc92a78.2475a715@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990520200354.007a6100@mail.u-net.com> Power15755 at aol.com wrote: > I bet you won't find >"Tigermilk" at any recordshop in the UK for 8 pounds. It won't cost you 8 pounds, it'll cost 10.40 altogether if you work it all out. Mind you that's still better than HMV's smashing 13.99 (sale price, of course) or whatever they'll try and fleece you all for. JJ x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Thu May 20 20:01:42 1999 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:01:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: probably depends where you bought it In-Reply-To: <37441CBA.C7941AB2@clara.co.uk> References: <199905192159.PAA18250@turtle.esosoft.net> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990520200142.007a4ad0@mail.u-net.com> andrew dean wrote: >(koogy looks in his records and sees that 'dog on wheels' was 2.99, >'llpj' was 3.99, '3, 6, 9...' was 1.99 and 'MRS' was 3.49 Perhaps. I agree with Dog on Wheels, but I paid 1.99 for the LLPJ eps (bought 3, for friends), 1.99 for 3,6,9 (bought 3, for friends), and MRS was a staggering 1.97 (bought 3, for friends) in Music Zone in the all-new singing and dancing Trafford Centre. I wish the bloke upstairs would turn his fucking music down. JJ x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From untitled at xxx.com Thu May 20 22:51:31 1999 From: untitled at xxx.com (Robert Foster) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:51:31 -0400 Subject: Sinister: I would love to go back to the old house Message-ID: <199905201751_MC2-7679-7788@compuserve.com> There's been reel heavy rotation over the last few days of 'fey' and what it is to be 'fey', this was mainly due to a certain nameless persons email and how it was received by the 'sinister group'. Any way, Ian Hamilton said that he was sick with people being shy and fey because they were trying to be cool. This was angrily dealt with by the honey munster and also sparked a self analysis by some members of sinister who tried to work out if any of his shitty ramblings meant anything. Subjects included 'lowercase letters and Dr pepper' and the classic 'is it wrong to have sex'. And then 'CALLENDER R' Wrote: >Are there any other shy >people on the list who feel the same way? How do you get together with >people you fancy? Well, I'm afraid to say that I am also on the shy side of life. And when it comes to meeting girls, I dunno. As a product of playground cruelly my image of the world is a place a bit hostile so meeting the opposite sex is just a bit not at all easy. CALLENDER R also said: >The strange thing is that I can go up to someone >I don't fancy without any problems This is also true. Meeting ugly outgoing people is easy, but attractive shy, well, need I say more. As for my solution for meeting that allusive gal, I dunno. There was one once but she got fed up and went out with four of the most ugliest blokes you have ever seen, they were very outgoing though! Bye then +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Thu May 20 23:22:00 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:22:00 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Seattle Pic Nic Message-ID: <000801bea30f$2df01be0$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Sorry - it's me again. There has been quite a bit of progress with the Seattle pic nic - it would seem that one is being set up for Olympia - to keep it half way between oregon and Washington. There won't be any more posts about this to the Sinister people as it is a waste of their email space - please check the Bootleg board at: www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb506720 If you don't want to leave a message, post me direct for details, etc... Snoggs elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From warranderj at xxx.com Fri May 21 00:10:27 1999 From: warranderj at xxx.com (John Warrander) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:10:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I*L*I*K*E*F*O*O*T*B*A*L*L Message-ID: <01BEA31E.590FB2E0.warranderj@bigfoot.com> Hello fools, What the bloody hell is all this nonsense about t-shirts and stuff? Are you lot seriously saying you have the foggiest notion who's responsible for the band merchandise you buy? Personally I don't give a shit. What I care about is that SPRFNK is worried that Blighty closes down in August.... SPRFNK said: >is it bad to go to the UK in august because someone said >there is a big holiday there and everything is closed No, no, no. It's only one weekend. And it's right at the end of August. Everybody goes to Reading. And it's shit. Actually, them funny Europeans all bugger off somewhere in August. Especially Italians and people from Prague. My latest dream is to be Italian. Has anybody else noticed what great condition all Italian men's hair is in? It is. I saw several thousand Italian men at Villa Park last night and apart from all being cool as fuck they all had immaculate hair and there wasn't a split end in sight. I love Italian men. Literally. No I do. Actually I love Italian women but I'm just trying to be hip. It's a Manchester thing. But thousands of sweaty Italian blokes jumping up and down and singing that song that the fat bloke with the beard done at the World Cup in 1990. Well, it's pretty special. Better than Belle and Sebastian even, maybe. Somebody else said there was storm clouds a brewing over Wolverhampton at about 11pm last night. And I'd just like to confirm that they were telling the truth. And Tim Hopkins said some stuff. He's pretty lucky he could though. I saw you supporting Leeds at Bowlie Hopkins. I'm a ManU man myself so you're pretty lucky I never kicked your head in. Do I need to point out I'm joking here? I'm not being sarcastic and getting at anybody or anything. I'm just a bit scared that Tim finds out who I am and chins me. JJ said: >I wish the bloke upstairs would turn his fucking music down. And JJ would. Somebody else asked for good books to read. That "The Heart Is A Lonely Hunter" by Carson McCullers is good. It made me remember why I thought socialism was a good thing. Easy to forget when the closest you get to a socialist government is "New Labour". You just remember that kids when you're putting your X on them European ballot papers in a few weeks. Just think "proportional representation". I don't love anyone either so fuck off, Lover...John +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Fri May 21 00:53:26 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 00:53:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Bowlie, the second coming Message-ID: <3744A076.5C698FA@student.paisley.ac.uk> Just read on the NME website about Bowlie#2 http://www.nme.com/newsdesk/19990420120230news.html for more details. Can someone let us now *before* the tickets go on sale whether B&S will be involved in any way, shape, or form? Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From killholden at xxx.com Fri May 21 01:30:12 1999 From: killholden at xxx.com (pablo espinoza) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:30:12 PDT Subject: Sinister: S. CA. B&S cover band! debuts 22nd! Message-ID: <19990521003014.33327.qmail@hotmail.com> excited and pleased to let you all know that a B&S cover band is playing here in southern california the 22nd of this month. We suspect that nobody lives around here, but basically we have guitar, voice and enthusiasm our set: 1.simple things 2.fox in the snow 3.roller coaster ride 4. judy 5. dylan in the movies 6. boy done wrong many thank yous to honey for making such a community where we can find sheet music, and meet imaginative people. we are still looking for missing pieces... _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From swanarama at xxx.com Fri May 21 04:23:02 1999 From: swanarama at xxx.com (Amanda Bergman) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:23:02 PDT Subject: Sinister: i know it's been nearly a month... Message-ID: <19990521032302.57421.qmail@hotmail.com> but I just found this Bowlie page. it's linked to an 'anti-Steps' site (I was trying to find info about them to share with my non-Steps acquainted friend here) and it's an NME-style anti-Belle and Sebastian rant too. anyways, have a look, it's always amusing to read someone's cynical views on things. right? like parodies of song lyrics? point your browsers to: http://www.notmarilyn.freeserve.co.uk/bowlie.htm now I'm off back to the corner I crawled out of. waiting two more days to be reunited with her list crush, Amanda . . .. . .. . .. . . "If you are good at anything, that is beauty." --from _Taxi Driver Wisdom_ visit *Red Roses for Me* fanzine http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Cabaret/9043 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From csomeone at xxx.com Fri May 21 05:57:05 1999 From: csomeone at xxx.com (Cynthia Someone) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:57:05 PDT Subject: No subject Message-ID: <19990521045705.70185.qmail@hotmail.com> hiya sweets: nice to see blake's back, and enjoyed mr. Schmidt's take on England ... wish i could go, at least to eat large candy bars and check out the green. someday, I'm sure. I seem to have a thing with islands. I'm always going away to them. I may end up with millenial island plans, who knows. A b&s millenial meetup? who knows. on the sweetness of sinister: it seems to me that "it's just like everything else," as the moms says: the list has it's swings, it's twists and turns, from smut verging on pukeyness to twittering about whatever knickers we've put on today (cotton, panties, purple), to American-bashing and anti-american bashing. Ian's thing is just another one of these things. I love the list for all the music recommendations, and for making me laugh at work, provoking strange looks from my stuffy coworkers, and for the odd post back. and I like people who like dr. pepper. I wanted to recommend a book to everyone. book club! book club! yay! The Mysticism of Sound and Music, by Hazrat Inayat Khan. He's a Sufi mystic and musician. the book's orange. For some reason I've equated music with orange ever since reading. The first few lines: "Why is music called the divine art, while all other arts are not so called? We may certainly see God in all arts and in all sciences, but in music alone we see God free from all forms and thoughts. In every other art there is idolatry. Every thought, every word has its form. Sound alone is free from form. Every word of poetry forms a picture in our mind. Sound alone does not make any object appear before us." The book is probably not for everyone, but if that excerpt piques your interest, hunt that book down and devour. if there's anyone out there with a recommendation who doesn't want to email the list, email me. I'm friendly. bye Cynthia _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.net Fri May 21 10:33:49 1999 From: rebelstrange at xxx.net (Lesley J Miller) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 02:33:49 -0700 Subject: Sinister: new romantics Message-ID: <000f01bea36d$09692100$2411020a@rebelstrange> another day another dollar From: "ian" Subject: Sinister: muttering kites a musical version of saint john's wort? ugh. i had some of that once and it gave me stomach ache. you say isobel does the same thing? well, that's all i need to know. NO you silly monkey. isobel does not give you stomach ache. i've never taken st johns wort. all i know is it's sposedta make you fuzzy and happy. it probably doestn', but it's the thought that counts. and i CLEARLY said "or whatever" which, in that gen-x hipster moronic fashion, grants automatic er, flexibility to whatever it qualifies, leaving you free to withdraw anything stupid you may have said or anything you have doubts about, or if you're just too SOFT to make a flat statement boldly. anyway. isobel does not make sick. it makes you feel fuzzy, like sitting out on a grassy hill and making daisy chains and drawing pictures of horses. OR getting down to kinky love in a mirrored chevy van. either one. someone said Hesse should be read. i've only read uh DEMIAN, on recommendation of a pseudo-lady love of mine, but it was bloody amazing. bollocks. it's totally fabulous. that should be on our sinister reading club too. it will blow your mind. i hear Hesse is lumped witht he beat(off) generation, but i found nothing in common with bukowski or kerouac. very spiritual. or maybe he's supposed to have inspired the beats? well fuck the beats. i'm sorry, but really. the gatefold photo is angelic. we salute you elle*** for years of joy to come. lastly. i was remembering someone a while back in the olden days was asking what were the characteristics of b/s, or "tweepop" or indie fluff or something. i was thiking about b&s in conjunction with my art history class. i mean istn' it a bit like the Romantics reaction to Realism? all ovver again--which i think seems to be a natural cycle repeating--but a revolution against apparent materialism, concerns with economics, politics, brute realism and popular culture as it stands. the romantics and symbolists found emotion and esthetic more important than giving a moral message, or depicting in photographic/scientific reality--they preferred to draw from mythology, and simply make things that were exotic, splendid and beautiful to look at. someone might say it's morally empty---i dont 'see it like that at all. it's art for the sake of itself. a CREATED reality in the artiist's mind, rather than a copying of the material world---the meaning is created by the creation itself. (foreshadowing err, psychoanalysis etc??) Well i'm not saying belle and sebby are vapid. but these days--so much emphasis on cmoputers, and having messages, and conveying the brutality and nature of society. there's comment in their music certainly, but overall it just throws aside any seeking to be "modern" or avant-garde, or shocking. reactionary? i dont know. they're totally unselfconscious in sentimentality, and a lovely arrangement and melody for its own sense. without being too saccharine or rococo about it. maybe this makes no sense at all. i'm sorry i'm just rambling here. i have seomthign really funny to say(*!*) but it will wait till later. in more importatn news, i hear the aging hipster Jarvisssss is going to be on the TV program "politically incorrect" tomorrow late night on ABC in the US. can anyone er confirm this for me, or did i hear wrong? that should be a bash. take care my pretties LJ http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange The boat that brings us here will crack beneath your weight. This is territory you cannot invade. "I'll go and play with words and pictures" SAVE MST3K!!!! http://www.mst3kinfo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjc51 at xxx.uk Fri May 21 09:57:38 1999 From: pjc51 at xxx.uk (Phil Cowans) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:57:38 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian newsgroup Message-ID: Hi - Sorry that this is a bit short, but I'm not very good with long messages when I haven't got anything to reply to. I just thought that some of you will probably be interested to know that there is now a brand new Belle and Sebastian newsgorup called alt.music.belle+sebastian currently making it's way around the internet. It's great. Phil +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mlu404 at xxx.uk Fri May 21 09:09:15 1999 From: mlu404 at xxx.uk (R.North) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:09:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Keep on sippin' Message-ID: <374514AB.5D756792@bangor.ac.uk> Heya guys long time no see Sorry if you think I'm wasting you're time but hey I only do it sporadically! Well my message is that in the latest NME (Super Furries on the cover), the little news article about Bowlie II is fronted by a photo of me and my two friends! Yay! I'm the one in the Bowlie tshirt, my friend Paul is wearing the Brazil t-shirt and my friend Chris (not even a bloody fan - thinks they're too twee) takes centre stage annoyingly. oh well just thankful to the NME for making me a Bowlie legend in my own time. Cool eh? oh well, thinks to do, exams to sit. bye Northy -- ------------ R.North mlu404 at bangor.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sav_one at xxx.com Fri May 21 10:43:18 1999 From: sav_one at xxx.com (Darren Savage) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 02:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Dream Terror Message-ID: <19990521094318.16002.rocketmail@web105.yahoomail.com> Dear All I don't know about anywhere else in the country but the weather is glorious in London; so good in fact I'm going to wag the rest of the day and get utterly wrecked with some friends. Hurray. Last night I was listening to TBWTAS in my chambers and fell asleep before the end. I then had a rather peculiar dream. In my dream I was Satan and it was my birthday; don't ask how I knew this fact I just did. Anyway, I was Satan and I was travelling around in this behemoth of a bus on a world tour giving people presents because I was in a jolly good mood. Next I made LA explode because I didn't like the look of it; then I was interviewed by Jeremy Paxman about the importance of a really good forward defensive stroke. Finally I went to The Maids of Honour near Richmond to get some cake, but they had sold out of cheesecake and so I had to be satisfied with a custard tart. Warmest regards Dr. D. Savage _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fredrik at xxx.se Fri May 21 10:46:45 1999 From: fredrik at xxx.se (Fredrik Appelberg) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:46:45 +0200 Subject: Sinister: ho ha Message-ID: <002301bea36e$d6ac78f0$c001a8c0@inventa.se> All right, this is my first post since coming out of the closet (oops! nursery), so please be gentle with me... Apparently, I'm not supposed to write fan letters right now (I'm supposed to work, dammit), but I _do_ feel a bit sinister and I really need to vent a bit. Is that all right? My particular problem this week is that The Most Beautiful Girl In the World has turned into a perfect bitch. We have a fight scheduled for sometime next week, which I am looking forward to. As you probably have guessed, I'm suffering from ex-girlfriend disorder. Which sucks. Sorry, didn't mean to sound quite that whiny. Oh, well, it's back to work for me... :( I didn't bring my B&S cd's here, so I only have Portishead and Chemical Brothers to lighten my day with. And frankly, that's not really what I need right now. I need Judy and the Dream of Horses. --Fredrik +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.uk Fri May 21 10:38:23 1999 From: ian at xxx.uk (ian) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:38:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: song Message-ID: <018e01bea36d$db0bd0e0$b014883e@default> twee? you fucking becha... oops..sorry, that should have read: twee? (giggle) why, yes i suppose so sung to the tune of "glad to be gay" by tom robinson. but you can really sing it to whatever tune you want. its up to you. an anthem of twee by ian ... the british pop fans are the best in the world i don't believe all of those things that i've heard bout them ripping up daisy chains, calling us sad saying our corduroys are som sort of fad sing if you're totally twee sing if you drink herbal tea hee sing if you're thrilled to be twee sing in your own special key they'll laugh at your velvet, they'll sneer at velour say living in chalets is terribly poor ignore all their jokes as you skip up the street you and "hello kitty" know life can be sweet sing if you're totally twee sing if you own "up a tree" hee sing if you're terribly twee sing in your own special key don't kid yourself that those people are right watch them dancing to "steps", its a terrible sight take teddy's hand and sip your lemonade display all that feyness, now don't be afraid sing if you're totally twee sing if you watch tots tv. hee singing if you're touched to be twee sing in your own special key let your fringe fly with the proudest of airs "i'm me and i'm twee" - shout at all those rude stares well, maybe a whisper would do it instead or maybe you'd just like to go back to bed sing if you're totally twee sing if you hate that SHIFT KEY hee sing if you're thrilled to be twee sing if you're something like me sing if you're totally twee sing in your own special key hee sing if you're totally twee be just who you want to be .. off to drink some peppermint tea and play with my little pussycat ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sav_one at xxx.com Fri May 21 11:24:17 1999 From: sav_one at xxx.com (Darren Savage) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 03:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: pop story Message-ID: <19990521102417.21684.rocketmail@web104.yahoomail.com> jj wrote: I wish the bloke upstairs would turn his fucking music down. This reminds me of a story some chap I work with once told me. A number of years ago he was living in the flat below a room where a dreadful synth pop band used to reherse in. Most evenings he would be kept awake by the bands feeble efforts to write a song, which would always break down just before the bridge to the chorus. A number of weeks past and still the band failed to resolve the bridge/chorus interface. At the time my colleague was studying music at University and became so irked by his nieghbours that he wrote down the chord that would adequately link the song together on a small piece of paper and pushed it under their door. Several months later 'things can only get better' by D:ream topped the charts and my colleague has never forgiven himself for his hand in the sorry affair. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hewits at xxx.uk Fri May 21 11:38:42 1999 From: hewits at xxx.uk (stephen hewitt) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:38:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Sometimes I pray to the gods of sex and drums and rock and roll Message-ID: <9188A3453EEED111BD7300805FEDEB6901AC57@PARK_EX> I had a dream last night and Honey was in it, can't remember much else, but I think he might have been playing pinball. Anyway after Chris J was talking about shyness I sent him the following and as there seems to be quite a few others in similar situations I thought I'd share my 'wisdom' with the group: >>Does anyone have any remedies for shyness, Copious quantities of alcohol and lots of dancing at discos/clubs/anywhere (no matter how crap you think you are at dancing). You see dancing is good because the music's so loud you can't easily have a conversation anyway, so you can do loads of eye contact/body language stuff and then by the time you get a chance to talk to them, you'll probably be quite pissed, which always helps because they are probably quite pissed too. It did work for me (about 1 occasion in 30) back in the days when I was young, free and single (where's me zimmer frame) I notice there have been quite a lot of posts this morning, I think we've all got that Friday feeling. Unfortunately Cheltenham is rather overcast and threatening another large rain storm. ***CONTENT ALERT*** Yes, finally, some B&S-related ephemera. The Greenbelt Festival is taking place in Cheltenham this year and the word on the street is that Belle & Seb are playing. Not wanting to appear cynical but if this actually happens you can all come and stay at my house. Can you imagine the band playing at a 'Christian' festival (although I think they are trying to get away from the Christian thing, like Guildford are trying to get away from the folk thing)? Or any 'proper' festival at all. It seems that our fave band have become a name to drop when anyone has a gap to fill in a festival schedule. Apols for message header but Meatloaf was on the radio this morning and it is a grrrreat line. xoxo CarsmileSteve > ---------------------------------------------- > > carsmilesteve at geocities.com > Don't bother to visit our website http://fast.to/carsmile because the *%$!!!@$ing bassplayer has gone off in a hissy fit cos he thinks we should all move to London so we can 'make it' and 'get a deal' (wanker) > 'So tell me what have you got? So tell me have I lost the plot?' > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Fri May 21 11:47:39 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:47:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: question for you UK people Message-ID: <80256778.003B4BE9.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> PRFNK at aol.com asked: >is it bad to go to the UK in august because someone said there is a big >holiday there and everything is closed--let me know thanks-sorry for this I like the idea of this, but sadly it isn't true. There is, however, a total solar eclipse on August 11th which might result in people in the West Country sacrificing tourists to the Cornish Sun God 'Oo-Ra'. So you might want to avoid that area. Incidentally, no more Camber Sands tape requests please! I've got 12 and that's enough. I hope to delegate a few US tapes to someone so you may find you can get crap fifth generation copies from someone soon. Anyway, it's supposed to be on Radio One one day so then it won't matter. Not that you can get Radio One outside of th UK, but you see what I mean, maybe. Nick xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fatslug at xxx.com Fri May 21 12:14:14 1999 From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 04:14:14 -0700 Subject: Sinister: go nutz 4 roolz u crazee foolz! Message-ID: Hello folks, I am writing today in my capacity as manager of top boy band Roolz. Tag has officially appointed me as band svengali, which may come as a surprise to the other members of the band. I did suggest to Tag that maybe he should consult with the rest of Roolz first, to which he replied "fuck them", so i guess it's OK. Up until now Roolz has been a ramshackle and shoddily organised affair, and the lads are obviously in need of some strict discipline. With this in mind I have enlisted the services of Miss Honey, who has previous experience as PA for the Sleeka Sounds Corporation. Once Miss Honey has whipped those boys into shape we'll be recording some top new tunes with an eye on the Christmas number one spot, and a possible entry in the Millenium Eurovision Song Contest. >From now on you'll be able to check out the band's progress at the Let'z Rool website http:/www.roolz.ukf.net/ Be cool, and Rool! Kevan *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.uk Fri May 21 12:21:41 1999 From: ian at xxx.uk (ian) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:21:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Lips, selfishness, glassies and biscuits (more rubbish) Message-ID: <025701bea37d$d1f22760$b014883e@default> hello happy friday everybody. if any of you are sunbathing, i envy you. although you probably won't be sunbathing as you read this. unless you have a topless house.. anyway, onto other things... tim said: ->>the flaming lips. What can I >>say. Go and see them live. They are orgasmic. Hey, they are POST orgasmic. > >When I read this, I immediately had a vision of all the women in the >audience looking pissed off and wondering when the fun would start, and all >the men snoring contendedly. Oh. Was that too much information? yeah. when i saw them come on stage i had a strong urge to get out of bed and go and grab a handful of tissues. then i remembered where i was :) actually, by the time they finally got on stage at bowlie, the only thing i had an urge to do was go to the bar. after the pastels "oh, we've had a powercut" (wahay! what an exit!) and what seemed like about three hours of being pushed up against a sexy young italian boy...complete with girlfriend...i was feeling frustrated and thirsty. and i think i've gone WAYY off subject. tim again: >>I've cheered up now. I have also eaten a Marble for post-exam comfort > >Blimey! A *marble*? Was it a clear one, or one of those with little wisps of >colour in them? I knew you were hard, but actually eating marbles for >comfort post-exams? out of interest..has anyone here ever stuck a marble up their nose? >Do you chew them like rock, too hard to take any notice of the shards of >glass embedding in your gums? Bloody hell. it can't be any worse than eating a "wham" bar. they were awful. and they pulled your teeth out. actually, i think i've got a recipe for marble risotto, i'll dig it out :) >I have been living about 150 miles from my record collection for around six >months, and I am starting to notice myself getting the urge to play peculiar >records that I haven't dug out in years... 'The Apple Stretching' by Grace >Jones, i have no comment to make on the status quo issue but grace jones!!!! the woman is a star. have you ever heard her sing "the sun'll come out tomorrow"? jim: people made me realize what i enjoy about b&s the most--listening to them by myself or with my closest friends...i'd see them again in a heartbeat, but it was the overall feeling of the festival and not seeing the band which made the weekend extraordinary.. absolutely. and the feeling that came from the crowd when they went on-stage was fantastic. frankly, that night i think they could have sang songs from brigadoon and we would still have cheered everything they did. >.in a hippie > kind of way, it was the first in a long time that i've felt the true > meaning of "community"...the fact that they headlined it provided the > nature of that community and whoever headlines the next will dictate > the nature of the people and bands who gather together to form that > community...long live bowlie! watching the sun come up, one morning, the mist looked like water all around camber. i remember thinking how nice it would be to be cut off on an island with only belle and sebastian fans there. do you think we'd make a good community? once we'd stopped taking drugs, actually got some sleep and maybe even showered some of the sand off our feet, that is. oh, and maybe some other people too. after all, someone has to keep the kit kat cafe running so we can munch on veggie burgers i think i'll stop there as it seems like my computer is about to have one of its periodic tantrums. i can recognise the danger signs and perhaps it needs a rest. perhaps i do as well. i still haven't had that cup of peppermint tea. ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From RACALLEN at xxx.uk Fri May 21 13:15:06 1999 From: RACALLEN at xxx.uk (CALLENDAR R) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:15:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: {Robert Foster wrote}I would love to go back to the old house Message-ID: Still on the 'How-shy-people-manage-to-meet-and/or-have-sexual relationships-and/or-any-relationships' topic, I notice someone picked up on my email about being shy and having trouble because the people I like are shy. Robert Foster said "As a product of playground cruelty my image of the world is a place a bit hostile so meeting the opposite sex is just a bit not at all easy." I was thinking about this and it is true. My treatment at school, especially Junior school age 7-11, was not particually pleasant. I was never really beaten up or hit to any degree, but the verbal abuse and general comments were quite regular, although subtle. Why these were aimed at me I don't know. I was seen as a target because I was small and I guess they saw it got to me and so decided to add other comments too. I became someone who was low down on the social scale and all my friends (yes, I still had a close group of friends) were in that same social grouping. This social grouping followed me right through to sixth form where looming adulthood changed peoples perceptions of me. I had changed as well, but was always different to the crowd - liking indie music and being gay (although I wasn't 'out' - maybe the other kids could sense this back at school before I even knew what it was...I wonder...). I guess it meant that over my junior and secondary school years, although the bullying wasn't great, it was enough so thatI lost any conifidence in myself in intimate situations, through being forced down the social scale and being seen as a bad choice as a boyfriend socially by the girls. I didn't know I was gay until 16, but I didn't really fancy the girls which did mean I didn't get the chance to learn the details of getting intimate and meeting people with the intention of doing that.I chose to remedy the problem of the shyness in larger social groups by doing Drama and saying 'darling' alot. This is not to say that school wasn't fun, it was. But not all the time. Part of the reason I like the music I do, especially Belle & Sebastian is because it says something to me, because the characters in the lyrics seem to have experienced similar things to me. Here at university being an individual is important and respected, at school it wasn't. I seem to be rambling and going off the point. What is it about Belle and Sebastian that make me feel connected again to my school childhood? Do any other B&S fans feel that same connection? And is it in the same way? I'm not twee, or wouldn't consider myself to be. I don't know why I told you that. Anyway...good-bye for now...//ROB xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Fri May 21 13:28:49 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:28:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Shyness is nice and shyness can stop you.... Message-ID: Hello dolls I was introduced to the mayor (not major) of Hertford last night, very formally, with my name announced by someone who looked like a beefeater minus the beef, and somewhere, with my nerves going crazy, I said "Hiya". I SAID HIYA TO THE MAJOR. oh dear. Why didn't i listen to everyone else when they said "good evening mr major". why? gah. My embarassment was consoled with ten tables of minatre food. I didn't eat all ten tables of it, obviously. Ten plates, maybe. Mind you, if i wasn't on the youth council, i wouldn't have an excuse to talk to random skateboys about my proposals to open a skatepark. I haven't said anything to them yet, i'm choosing my moment. I don't really know how best to talk to them, should i litter words like "rad" "old skool sick" "ollie" into the conversation? Rob Callendar said: >Unfortunately those that do approach me I do not fancy myself. The best >method for a shy boy to talk to a potential partner or friend is to get one >of your friends to go and get the person you like. It saves alot of time. >Happened to me last night. I'm not mocking you, but wasn't it great when you used to be able to just get one of your mates to say "my friend fancies you" and the rest was history? It was so easy. I regularly used to be asked out at primary school without evening talking to the person, they just used to stand five metres away squirming while their mate came up with a big grin on their face, ready to pop the question! and it was ace! and you'd always say yes, and then if you found out you didn't like them, you could always share your walkers with someone else until they got the message. Mind you, primary school wasn't all sweetness and light for me, i was always too tall to dance with the boys at the 6pm end of term discos. So i used to go solo, you know, shaking my bit, to the hit, so the teachers wouldn't look at me *that way* if I was standing on the sidelines, gazing longling at simon lawrence (school stud). >How do you get together with people you fancy? If i knew the answer to that question, i'd probably wouldn't be writing this. Or i'd be writing it telling you what to do. With the last person I *thought* I fancied, i simply engineered it so we would be in the same place at the same time and got talking to them. But then crushboy turned into normalboringboy and i'm left without anyone to swoon over. Which is getting v.boring.. Erica xxx (who is busing wearing mini-skirts, going ice-skating, watching horror movies and believing her horoscopes under Arantxa's instruction. Because you're only young once, and i'm not going to stay inside listening to wimpy pop records all day). +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MartinW at xxx.uk Fri May 21 13:43:39 1999 From: MartinW at xxx.uk (Martin Wilson) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:43:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A3?= Message-ID: <7F30E08893F4D11194770060084C6EA1127F07@ntserver2.ucscarb.ac.uk> JJ wrote "Perhaps. I agree with Dog on Wheels, but I paid 1.99 for the LLPJ eps (bought 3, for friends), 1.99 for 3,6,9 (bought 3, for friends), and MRS was a staggering 1.97 (bought 3, for friends) in Music Zone in the all-new singing and dancing Trafford Centre." I would dearly like to know how HMV can justify charging £5 for the B&S EPs in broken boxes when Track, our local indie shop in York charges only £4.50 for them in perfect condition. I suspect that the vast difference in prices has something to do with the fact that huge record companies can give discounts and take loss leaders whilst Jeepster's profits all go on feeding the office cat. Other industries have had their legs smacked for this kind of thing (undermining competition - not feeding the cat) but I suspect the chances of it happening in the music biz are inversely proportional to the number of pop stars at Tony Blair's cocktail parties. (Ooh bit of politics creeping in there). Anyway, what I really want to know is do they still sell edible dormouse in the butchers in the Trafford Centre? Yum! Martin -------------------------------------------------------------- "Boo to the business world." -------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From M223CMellan at xxx.uk Fri May 21 15:21:58 1999 From: M223CMellan at xxx.uk (M223CMellan) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 15:21:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: baby chris is back, friends Message-ID: <199905211328.NAA26519@mx1.rmplc.co.uk> but hey, I was never really gone. thanks for your 'prayers' - only 1 person mailed me, an I recieved no heavenly visions. oh well.... I've done 4 of my 5 highers so far. they're not very hard. give me a challenge pleeeese!!!!! anyway, I came to my computer this morning only to find 432 mails. bitch. I deleted most of them - it makes you realise just how much crap is mailed here - no offence intended. look, I might be controvercial, but it's the only way to get talked about. for example - GOTHS ARE PRICKS - I honestly believe this - they thing that by waering black and loving the devil that they are being individuals - the hell they are (5 million others are doing exactly the same thing). do what I do -be a 16 year old list baby who listens to truly 'indie' music (none of your major music labels here) and wears kilts and jumpers and cardigans. oh yeah. also ,I was shocked bythe fact that no one had a list crush on me - I thought that everyone loved babies. I had to nominate myself - is this allowed? (the lack of nomination is probably due to my absence). VOTE BABY CHRIS CRYSTALBALLS - the youngest list membereeeee bye baba baby chris CRYSTALBALLS M223CMELLAN at holyrood.sch.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rehakk at xxx.edu Fri May 21 14:43:34 1999 From: rehakk at xxx.edu (Kimberly Rehak) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: when the boss is away Message-ID: my boss is not here today! i swear i didn't kill her! but this means: i write this email without feeling guilty. i was reprimanded for writing emails during "business hours". and this made me rather pissed because i know that everyone else does this during "business hours" and because i have nothing else to do because all i do is sit on my big arse ("check out he ass on that white girl"--there's a story, i won't expound) and drink diet coke (not dr. pepper) for 8.5 hours oh, and sneak out for a cigarette when i can. well, that was a long bit of nothing. and here's some more: last night was prom night in my town. i managed to avoid all of it, well, except for the limos that drove past my house when i was outside. what a big deal made of nothing. this one girl i knew became aneroxic so that she could fit into her [overly expensive] prom dress. the boy i went to the prom with owned a nusery (well, his parents did) so i got a pissload of flowers. that was the only good thing about that night...but anyway, last night my little brother went to the middle school smei-formal 8th grade dance. my family laughed at me when i suggested what he should wear. they said "like we're going to take fashion advice from YOU hahaha" so i decided to break away like the little dove i am and see if the boy-from-the-coffeehouse-across-town-who-i-have-been-in-love-with-since-last -friday was there. ok, would this be considered stalking? i don't think i've hit the mark yet. i guess i have to find out where he lives, call and hang up, etc. maybe not. either way, he wasn't there :( with all the new peopl loading onto the sinister bus, i have to ask "anyone from pittsburgh?" ****and now the actual posting begins! ian--i loved your little song. i said "hahaha" to it. thanks whoever asked about the skater lingo: make sure you also say "oi!", but definitely say "rad" like you're obsessive compulsive and that's your latest obsession whoever had the wierd dream because they fell aslepp to TWATTYBUS (sorry, i deleted all the posts i read from this morning): i know how it is, buddy. i always have th craziest dreams when i fall asleep to b&s. lsat night i had a pleasant sleep to the tindersticks' "curtains" so irecommend that for you. not that having weird dreams is a horrid night time hobby of mine. in fact, i rather enjoy it when it happens... if i had anything else to say, i've forgotten it. it's taken me so long to type this because i keep getting kicked off the system (computer tantrum--i loved that) so i'm going to go before it happens again. in dire need of a flogging, KIMberly xx ps. anyone bored today: im=rudyrehak icq=39199492 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.uk Fri May 21 14:33:54 1999 From: ian at xxx.uk (ian) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:33:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: new romantics Message-ID: <029101bea38f$29c24180$b014883e@default> oh...i did try and answer everything at once...honest..i'll shut up after this one. lesley: >NO you silly monkey. isobel does not give you stomach ache. i've never >taken st johns wort. all i know is it's sposedta make you fuzzy and happy. well, sort of. it made me manic too. and almost euphoric if i drank at the same time. perhaps that fits the metaphor better. i'll say nothing about isobel being covered in a thin coating of gelatin and put in a plastic container with a piece of cotton wool. oh..too late. >it probably doestn', but it's the thought that counts. and i CLEARLY said >"or whatever" which, in that gen-x hipster moronic fashion, grants automatic >er, flexibility to whatever it qualifies, leaving you free to withdraw >anything stupid you may have said or anything you have doubts about, or if >you're just too SOFT to make a flat statement boldly. right. a clever conversational device which i shall endeavour to remember :) anyway. isobel does >not make sick. it makes you feel fuzzy, like sitting out on a grassy hill >and making daisy chains and drawing pictures of horses. OR getting down >to kinky love in a mirrored chevy van. either one. can i get the cd cheaper on the internet anywhere? anybody know? and how much is the cassette? i ask because i bought TBWTAS cd for 13 quid from tower and then saw the tape for a fiver in hmv. not that i'm tight-fisted or anything :) >someone said Hesse should be read. oh, that would have been me again :) and we have a fellow fan called justin out there. anybody else? i've only read uh DEMIAN, on >recommendation of a pseudo-lady love of mine, but it was bloody amazing. >bollocks. it's totally fabulous. that should be on our sinister reading >club too. it will blow your mind. i want to be in the book club if it happens. i haven't read demian, but steppenwolf is one of the best books i've ever read. the man's writing style is amazing. > i hear Hesse is lumped with the beat(off) generation, but i found nothing in common >with bukowski orkerouac. very spiritual. or maybe he's supposed to have inspired >the beats? well fuck the beats. i'm sorry, but really. i see no similarity between hesse and kerouac. hesse definitely inspired timothy leary. which makes him quite a sound fellow in my book. Well i'm not saying belle and sebby are vapid. but >these days--so much emphasis on cmoputers, and having messages, and >conveying the brutality and nature of society. there's comment in their >music certainly, but overall it just throws aside any seeking to be "modern" >or avant-garde, or shocking. reactionary? i dont know. no, i don't think they're reactionary. the insistence on a melody shouldn't be labelled as reactionary. or if it is, only in the sense that writing books in a recognisable language is reactionary. although they don't widen the scope of what can be defined as "music", and they aren't pushing back generic barriers (which frankly is a load of bollocks anyway..i mean "trip hop" indeed..."a fusion of rap, dance, jazz, whatever label you like to throw at it"...well, what exactly did that achieve then?) they're doing what they do damn well, without following any prescribed musical fashion. to me, there's only so far the avant garde can go. we've had yoko screaming her way through "plastic ono band" (twenty years ago)....we've had trent reznor and his clicking noises and scrapey sounds that he says constitute music (and i'm not denying the man's ability) and they're probably right. in the same way that manzoni canning his own shit and selling it as "art" was right. but they've made the point. after that, to a large extent, you're just going to be treading the paths of people before you. although there's nothing wrong in that. bjork seems to manage it without sounding hackneyed, but she's not as ground breakingly original as people like to paint her. to quote chumbawamba in their pre-sell-out days "pour me another double cliche you can't write a song that's never been sung" maybe that's a bit defeatist. although its an excellent excuse for sampling. but eventually you have to go back to music for music's sake...not to say that its got to vanish up its own arse...the swaggering anthems of the manics spring to mind ("yeah...its about the spanish civil war...how noone cared" really? i can't imagine why) that would be reactionary. and its worrying that the likes of catatonia, stereophonics and the manics are being pushed as some sort of example of innovative music with their made-for-stadium rock with occasionally observant lyrics. wow...i'm beginning to sound like i've vanished up my own arse, what i was really trying to say is that belle and sebastian seem to be exploring their own way within an established framework. they're not posturing as musical revolutionaries, but so often it seems that the musical revolutionaries were only posturing all along (remember the sex pistols' reunion?). what they are doing is turning out songs that connect with people. they are one of the few bands that can engage my mind whilst making me feel smiley inside. and just by doing so they're making a statement. add to this the fact that they make music for people who wobble somewhere between non-conformity and extinction (speaking solely for myself, of course :) ) and they're serving far more of a social purpose than any new romantic ever did. i mean, could duran duran really have staked a claim to being anything other than a bunch of posturing tossers? but maybe you're all thinking the same thing about me. and i have rambled somewhat and gone WAY off my original intention for this email. so i'll just go and have that cup of tea now and shut my face :) ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From j_kerswell at xxx.com Fri May 21 15:18:34 1999 From: j_kerswell at xxx.com (Magpie Jay) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:18:34 PDT Subject: Sinister: Goo to a boose Message-ID: <19990521141835.19966.qmail@hotmail.com> (spoonerisms never seem to fail) Annie haps, i thought i would add the nose of my muse to the 'shyness' debate that seems to have peered it's curious orange (curse you god for making me this way) head above the edge of the fruit bowl again. >From personal experience, i know what it is to be shy, but i believe i found the reason, and solution to this (at least for me) about two years ago. Having begun life as the school bully, I ended up being the bullied in high school and sort of crawled into my 'please like me- i am nice really ' shell. I think the main cause of shyness is caring too much about what other people think of you, not wanting to offend, say something out of turn or be thought of as boring or weird. Naturally everyone wants people to 'like' them, or think them a worthy addition to their circle, in the company of strangers, or even friends, it can be all to terrryfying to say something that could jeapordise the arc of friendship. Yet in saying nothing it all it becomes difficult for people to get to know you at all. Being shy, lots of people may respect you or think highly of you, but you can lack the closeness or feelings of acceptance other people seem to spin in their sleep, whether actual or gloved empiness. I decided that I had had enough of caring what others thought. If caring so much made me unhappy, then it must surely be 'wrong' or at least not ideal. I have since said things i wanted to say as and when i choose, and vow not to be so pandering to those i want to like me, if they dont want me 'flunk them' . Live for myself, but try not to step on too many toes. While i have realised it has made me a little more arrogant, and maybe a less nice person than i used to be, i have become much more confident, happier, and wouldnt give a rolling fluffy shih-tzu about looking someone in the eye and telling them i dreamed they were a bicycle bell. Sure people may think your weird, but the sorts of people who you are most suited to find you a lot easier, and thats when the friendships fall into place, the second you stop worrying and have faith in yourself. Of course it doesnt help you think of things to say to people, especially strangers, and i can still struggle with that, but i feel less pressure to say anything than i used to, and i like to think that in doing this i rid the world of a few more strands of peppered small talk. i think people generally fancy or aspire to those who appear stronger than them, someone who can help grow them in certain ways (mind-gutter be gone) or attain a strengthening from the bond, someone who can make us 'better' or at least feel improved on as a result of the association. If this is the case though, we would all be looking for people with their sights set higher than us, its just a case of finding the aspects we aspire to in someone, and having something inside us to offer them they lack. I really admire people like Mr Rob Callendar, who can see exactly who they are and where they are from, put themselves in context and get on with enjoying their lives. It takes time for all of us to work out who we are, what we want and where we fit it, but I promise, you'll get there in the end.. I'm going to fly away now before you start throwing 'pretentious wanker' pebbles at me, but my wings dont bruise that much any more. Magpie Jay- up, up and away P.eaS: Dr Pepper tastes of marzipan and makes makes my tongue furry, but at least it doesnt go lime coloured like that icky Mountain dew used to induce. :OF- - http://www.members.tripod.com/john_kerswell/star.html If you really think it will make your life far richer you can..... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From koogy at xxx.uk Fri May 21 10:13:50 1999 From: koogy at xxx.uk (andrew dean) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:13:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: White Horses References: <199905202314.RAA17116@turtle.esosoft.net> Message-ID: <374523CE.E65C1CA6@clara.co.uk> > Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:29:11 -0700 > From: "Elish Hope" > Subject: Sinister: Dreams... > > Say what you like about Jeepster, about the Belle's, but don't expect me to > sit idly by and listen. > > With that, I throw my hat in the ring and wave my white flag. Please no > more emails to me about the price of this and the price of that. oh, that was me. sorry. i was trying to be informative but i came across as someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing... > I don't feel like I owe them anything, or whatever, I just don't see the > sense in planning on Jeepster failing us and whatnot. but a pessimist is never disappointed. that said, i nearly didn't go to bowlie after the less than thrilling london gig back in september. but that sunday night just after stevie had done his best pete townsend windmill arm action guitar playing it made me remember just why i started doing all this in the first place. and yeah, an optimist has a better time waiting... > Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 18:21:21 +0100 > From: CALLENDAR R > Subject: Sinister: Shyness is nice and shyness can stop you.... > Just a brief note: I was under the impression that it costs under a > pound to actually press a CD, and even after publicity costs, artwork > e.t.c a CD that is MASS PRODUCED and sold for 1.99 can make money. but, and it's a big but, with the distributer taking a cut and the record shop taking a cut the bands cut is pretty slim at the end of it all. i have friends in the distribution business and they're always talking about 3 for 1 deals (where a shop buys one copy of the new 1471 single, say, and gets given 2 free) and a piece in the guardian a while back said that woolworths virtually demands a 70% discount on anything they stock. it's a shady business. (andy then goes on to say how he thinks the future belongs to small labels promoting stuff themselves over the internet, selling things cheap and keeping costs down by blowing cdroms to order but it's all very dull so...) (further off topic: alan moore once said that he started his own publishing company (comics rather than records) when he realised that DC got a 90% share of the (enormous) sales of Watchmen for 'editing mistakes in'. i think a lot of record companies are similarly detrimental to a bands output. jeepster, i hear, have a fifty fifty deal with b&s so kudos to them for that) antje: > I bet you won't find "Tigermilk" at any recordshop in the UK for 8 pounds. no, not anymore, but at the time that's all it cost. (and that was mail order from stow college rather than from a record shop. i did see copy in rough trade at the time for 10 pounds though.) i kept the envelope it came in too. how sad is that? > Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:01:42 +0100 > From: JJ > Subject: Sinister: probably depends where you bought it > Perhaps. I agree with Dog on Wheels, but I paid 1.99 for the LLPJ > eps (bought 3, for friends), 1.99 for 3,6,9 (bought 3, for friends), and > MRS was a staggering 1.97 (bought 3, for friends) in Music Zone in > the all-new singing and dancing Trafford Centre. blimey. that'll teach me to live somewhere that lacks a decent independent record shop. couldn't move in the local virgin meagrestore for that new single with chocolate in the title, they must've had 300 copies of it, two entire racks full of the things (almost all of which were still there on thursday when i went in and seem destined for the bargain bin) but can i find the new isan single without having to travel the 35 miles into london? can i bugger. > It won't cost you 8 pounds, it'll cost 10.40 altogether if you work > it all out. Mind you that's still better than HMV's smashing 13.99 > (sale price, of course) or whatever they'll try and fleece you all for. sorry, prices again, but the new luna lp is 16 quid in virgin here. i was aghast. and they wonder why mp3s are so popular... um, there's a little thing on channel 4 at the moment, the politically incorrect show i think it's called which brings together various people, half american and half english, that usually wouldn't appear on shows together. theme for the week has pretty much been cultural differences, y'know like that spat we had on the list a while ago. anyway, last night the english and the americans (michael moore, mark lamarr and someone else) came together in a united cause, one that i wholehearted agree with - to attack edwina curry. and it was the funniest thing i'd seen in ages. made me glad i didn't defenestrate the tv like i promised to on some other list... (hi lucy btw, didn't know you were on here too) ok, off to the shops to but a newspaper and a wonka's xploder bar. actually, the last twice i've bought two, one for me and one to send to my girlfriend and have ended up eating both of them. just like all those kinder eggs that 'rolled under the bed' and were never seen again around easter time. 8) irn bru: my girlfriend got her local import shop in LA to order some irn bru for her. it duely arrived but was made in canada rather than scotland. which is odd enough. but the canadian stuff also lacked the caffeine that the scottish version has in it. especially odd when you think of the north americans' obvious love of caffinated drinks (jolt cola anyone? 'only caffeine has more caffeine') andy x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From funkyseb at xxx.com Fri May 21 15:18:31 1999 From: funkyseb at xxx.com (funkyseb at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 21 May 99 15:18:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: They shoot Hipsters, don't they? Message-ID: Hi there Darlin's, This is a hard message for me to write, but please bear with me; I think it's important that anyone who cares about sinister should read it. To start with, I'll make it clear (as if I need to) how much sinister has meant to me for the past 18 months or so. I don't hate you all, I don't want you all to fuck off, and I don't think that everyone on the list is a fake,or a nazi, or both. But there is something deeply wrong with our list. Not many of you will know this, but Sinister is really two lists- the one you're reading, and a second, secret list, where friends of Honey discuss how the list is running, and decide what they should do to make it run the way in the way that they want it to. (i.e. in the way it ran for a few months in 1998, before most of us joined.) This second list is called SOS (save our sinister- clever eh?) and since it's founding 5/6 months ago, the main list has become more and more tired, more repetitive, and lacking the drunken, cheeky swagger that made it so compelling in the first place. Why? Well, because many of the people who used to contribute so much to the real list have joined SOS, and stopped posting to the real list. (I can think of only a couple of exceptions to this rule.) And I can only think that they spend so much time seeing if our posts are up to scratch that they don't have the time to contribute to the list themselves... New sinisterines have told me that they feel they're eavesdropping upon a private conversation, and loads of the great listees that I've loved have felt so ostracised by all this SOS business that they've left Sinister for good. This is how I feel. This is why I'm leaving. I won't stay on a list where a handful of unelected people (fuck it, let's call it what it is...a clique) decide who and what meets their standards, and ridicule and bully those whom they dislike. I've read things from the SOS list, and I've read bulling letters sent by its members, and I hate what I see. I don't like feeling as if I'm writing my posts for their benefit, playing to the gallery, and I don't like watching the list pretending to be what it was instead of accepting that growth and evolution are inevitable. I hate the thought that there are new members out there who are too afraid offend the list's Prefects to risk posting anything new or challenging. A list that looks at itself too closely, and tries too hard to maintain an percieved atmosphere can only end up as a forum for in jokes, and for mutual back slapping. And if this is going to happen, then I don't want to watch. There is a way out. If Honey wanted, he could hold proper elections for the Sinister Parish Council. The councillors could change regularly, and new ideas would percolate like flavour from a tea bag. But I get the feeling, seeing as SOS isn't even officially acknowleged, that our pot's just going to stew. I know that care is needed if we're going to survive. I know that rules are required to keep our very special community vital and enjoyable. But SOS doesn't seem to have done a very good job does it? Face it, when did you last cry with either laughter or gut ripping emotion after reading a post? I'm not saying for a moment that the SOS listees are evil- I know lots of them, and chances are you do too. They're lovely people, very friendly and talented, and that's why I'm not naming them now. But what they're doing, whether actively or passively, is wrong. I hope this letter does make you all ask questions, I hope there is a debate afterwards, and every mail box is flooded, from Glasgow to Thailand. Because this is OUR LIST. We're all indebted to honey for the huge amount of time, risk and work he's put into it, but if the sinisterines are feeling left out, what's the point? If the same old faces are going to say the same old things, and if the kids can't creep out of their loneliness into a warm, loving community, why bother with it all? I hope to keep in touch with you all, and please, if anyone wants a pint, or a picnic, a conversation, or a tape, then just write, you've got my address. But unless democracy rears it's beautiful head on this list once more, I won't be back. As a wise man once said,"Stay lucky". See ya popkids. seb +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From BrnToEnd at xxx.com Fri May 21 15:22:42 1999 From: BrnToEnd at xxx.com (BrnToEnd at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:22:42 EDT Subject: Sinister:A bollock and His Ego Message-ID: Well Hello Kiddies, I have comeback. I unsubscribed awhile ago cos I got too much mail but Then I read the article in Select and then missed this dear old list and By Golly Its Good to be back If You all were here now I'd buy you a round of Milk,Apple Juice and Vodka but My break my heart for I most hold my tounge....Doing Homework at 5 a.m. here -Damon H. Pssst My E-mail adress was WeeChrisBS at aol.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MartinW at xxx.uk Fri May 21 15:51:12 1999 From: MartinW at xxx.uk (Martin Wilson) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 15:51:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Schools Out Message-ID: <7F30E08893F4D11194770060084C6EA1127F08@ntserver2.ucscarb.ac.uk> "Lets go back to your childhood...childhood...childhood..............................."* Callendar R wrote: "What is it about Belle and Sebastian that make me feel connected again to my school childhood? Do any other B&S fans feel that same connection? And is it in the same way?" I find it incredible that I can identify so easily with the school references in B&S especially as I've not been in one for 21 years. I can't say that they remind me of my own school days which were pretty boring and certainly didn't involve "kissing girls in English at the back of the stairs". It's more like they're an idealised version of what I would have liked school to be like if I could have ordered the world differently. I'd write about this some more but I'm so busy I've lost the plot. Time for another cup of rose pouchong. Martin *There's a Yorkshire Curd Tart prize for whoever correctly identifies the song which begins with this line. -------------------------------------------------------------- "Boo to the business world." -------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From untitled at xxx.com Fri May 21 16:18:18 1999 From: untitled at xxx.com (Robert Foster) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:18:18 -0400 Subject: Sinister: England is mine and it owes me a living, so please let me get what I want Message-ID: <199905211118_MC2-769E-DDE7@compuserve.com> Crumbs, people replied to something I wrote. Right first off: CALLENDAR R wrote: >My treatment at school, especially Junior school age 7-11, was not particually >pleasant. I was never really beaten up or hit to any degree, but the verbal >abuse and general comments were quite regular, although subtle. I'd have to agree here too. I was never beaten up, but verbal abuse hurts the most. And worst of all after a while you start to believe what they say. Even the teachers weren't very nice (and I mean that). For me it was 7 - 10, when I reached 10 my parents moved and I went to a new school, I was so 'spaced out' and 'on my own (facing inwards)' the teachers thought I had some sort of mental problem, they even thought I was deaf. Anyway, six months later I went to secondary school and they (the teachers) just gave up on me, it wasn't 'till I got to 6th form (and I only got there 'cuz I done some smart talking) that they found out I was dyslexic. I too don't know why they did it, I'm not that ugly, don't talk in a funny way, I dunno! These three years of my life have affected me even to this day. I still see girls and boys as aggressive people. I had to adopt a different way of dealing with things at junior school. I would go to school, get abused and come home and beat my self up thinking it was down to me. when we moved away it was buried but just over a year ago re-surfaced, I still remember the look on my parents faces when I told them that when I was eight I tried to do myself in. Rollerg1rl at aol.com (mary) wrote: >the shy and nonshy do have one thing in common though-rejection. I liked this, the idea that the outgoing think the shy don't like them and the shy thinking that the outgoing are too 'in your face' and there fore don't mix with them. You totally right. Right, I'm off to cheer myself up, go down to the local shop, but some beer, come back, listen to the Smiths and think of her. Oh Shit +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From peter.ramsdale at xxx.com Fri May 21 16:16:35 1999 From: peter.ramsdale at xxx.com (Pete Ramsdale) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:16:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: They shoot Hipsters, don't they? References: Message-ID: <374578D3.8CCC234F@wdr.com> Mate - >Face it, when did you last cry with either laughter or gut ripping >emotion after reading a post? OK, so most of the letters to the list will never illicit this kind of response. But a few, from a select few people, really do. And you were one of those people. For me the list isn't just about the posts that touch obvious emotions like those you mentioned, it's about the way that listees seem to craft their mails. A lot of the time it's like reading well-worded fiction - people on this list seem to be incredibly literate and really take some pride in exactly how they piece together their writing. And most of the time I just sit here in amazement aspiring to put prose quite as eloquently as a large percentage of regular posters do. Yes, I joined the list because I melt when I hear Belle and Sebastian. But a lot of the reason I've stayed about is because of the number of emails I get every day, week-in, week-out, that are simply great to read. I don't know you, I've never met you, but my inbox will miss you like hell. I've cc'd the list on this, because I feel that others will feel the same. I really hope you don't mind. p. -- ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ Life is full of regrets, and I've had a few, as Frank Sinatra once sang, before hiccuping loudly and falling over sideways. Pete Ramsdale - peter.ramsdale at wdr.com Phone: 0171 568 3836 ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.net Fri May 21 16:27:17 1999 From: honey at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:27:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: They shoot Hipsters, don't they? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You're going to all have to forgive me if it takes a little while to respond properly to Seb's allegations: there's just too much to correct off the cuff and too much damage that could be done. For those of you who've kept faith with this list, I'd ask, if it's possible, that you wait a little while, and at least some of you give me the benefit of the doubt that the whole thrust of this is untrue: I know some will and others won't, and I don't expect anyone to blindly trust. I'm just steaming mad that this sort of allegation could be fired at the list and me without checking with sources first, although I know this presents a problem of who to trust. But this mails bears a remarkable similarity to other sources who seem to want to spread such crap about the list, and, hell try and finish it off. I've never really quite understood why and it's completely exhausting. I'm feeling extremely beleagured by the whole thing, and beginning to think that this time it might be fatal, and those people will get what they want. I don't include Seb in any of that, but I do blame him for passing on rumour from wholly unreliable sources: but in the end it's up to him. All I can say for now is that this "other list" was never EVER an unelected body, a covert secret council, and never made ONE damn decision on what content or people should be on the list: it was a distribution list of friends who I sometimes asked for an opinion on list matters, and in NO WAY did this fluctuating set of friends ever have, or believe they had, any say on where the list went and what should be on it. We all have collections of friends who, bless them, lend a listening ear when we don't know what to do; to represent that friendship as a participation in so me sort of hidden list executive seems to me to be either ignorance and/or scheming. Nor was it ever even a social list, as anyone who I mailed will agree that I *specifically* asked those who agreed to lend me an ear not to talk social and dilute the joy of all our minglings on Sinister itself. I know that this rumour has been spread around recently and forcefully by those who seem to have become less than friends of Sinister, the same people who used to participate keenly in such discussions. I don't ever quite know why but I guess they're rejoicing now. If the whole sordid story of just who's been trying to do what to this list has to come out because of all this, then so it will, and with fire and brimstone. I've always been keenly aware, that the existence of such a distribution list, while wholly innocent of the claims now made about its fiddling with democracy, could be misrepresented by an enemy as something malign. It seems some people are intent on doing this and this has become apparent in the last few weeks: it's a matter of on record that I could see this coming when I heard of the muck-spreading and shut down the distribution list two weeks ago to try and protect the list and the people who'd listened to my ramblings. Maybe it was always too risky a thing to set up all along, for which I take the blame, or maybe I underestimated the depths to which some people would sink. Let me say it as clearly as I can for those who want to listen though: this is plain wrong, and I have always been responsible for what happens on this list, full stop. If you want to shout at anyone about list policy, shout at me. If you hate this list, tell me. If you want list policy changed kick my door down. But don't go thinking there's a secret talking shop behind your backs, because it isn't DAMN well true, and it makes me so angry to hear this used as a weapon. I know some of you won't want to hear this, and won't have cause to believe me, but I hope a few will. It's also worth saying that if we're going to discuss the existence of forums like this, that joining Sinister is a choice: there are plenty of other forums, and we've seen the rise of a completely unmoderated one today, the newsgroup, which does nothing but increase the choice available to you all of the places you want to live. But I can promise you, that for those who chose to join Sinister because it was a managed list, it's always been managed by one person, me, and no-one else. I'm not sure what else I can say to this. Finally, I've always tried to discourage people talking about the list ON the list, but I can see that any authority I have for saying that is questionable under this sort of extreme allegation, so I don't know how to appeal to people's better nature; but most of you have kept good faith remarkably over long periods of trouble this list has had. All I can really do is say: talk about it however you see fit on the list, but please have some sense of the audience out there, and how long and scrappy those conversations should be. Ill health and exhaustion with all things list-y might mean you'll need a little patience and I'm really really sorry for that, because I know where my responsibilities to you all lie. honey +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Fri May 21 16:56:06 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:56:06 EDT Subject: Sinister: Where is it? Message-ID: <59e61eb5.2476dc16@aol.com> Where is the mail I sent to Sinister an hour ago gone? Why is it not on the list? :-( Antje *** everybody thought that she was boring so they never listened anyway *** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From andrew at xxx.uk Fri May 21 16:58:33 1999 From: andrew at xxx.uk (andrew skilton) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:58:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: we've got spies Message-ID: <00ad01bea3a3$0b7eab00$8ab7883e@dreamwish.freeserve.co.uk> boo. funkyseb wrote this: > But there is something deeply wrong with our list. Not many of you will >know this, but Sinister is really two lists- the one you're reading, and >a second, secret list, where friends of Honey discuss how the list is >running, and decide what they should do to make it run the way in the way >that they want it to. interesting that, considering how long the rules for posting (cunningly and somewhat misleadingly referred to as the "FAQ") are, they fail to mention probably the singularly most important thing about the list - that we're all being watched and commented on all of the time. while i'm all for keeping such a huge list under strict control to stop it getting out of hand, this is taking things to a quite ridiculous and frankly stupid level. what kind of a mailing list is it where a group of people who consider themselves to be above the regular list members have their own forum for discussing what we write? i'm not sure what the answer to that is, to be honest, asides from one where i don't want to be. i've only been here for a month and it's been great; i've met some nice people, got a copy of tigermilk and even laughed at the odd post or two (thanks fluffysarah for making me grin LOTS at ALL of her FUNNY POSTS and GREAT WRITING STYLE), but i've sent my unsubscribe command with this message and don't intend on joining again in the future - my e-mail address is at the bottom of this post if you feel compelled to reply to me personally. i'm sure there'll be loads of debate on this subject, with nearly every post better and more intelligently put than this one, but i don't care. whilst these posts are and continue to be analysed by honey and his elite little clique, the whole thing seems a pointless and ego-driven waste of time. andrew. ( andrew at dreamwish.freeserve.co.uk ) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ol01 at xxx.uk Fri May 21 17:28:14 1999 From: ol01 at xxx.uk (The Narrow Wizard) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:28:14 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: disintergration of the list Message-ID: Well what can I say about the cat that Seb has metaphorically put amongst the pidgeons? Some of you probably think that as a newcomer to the list I have no right to talk about such deep political issues but I feel that a large part of this list is made up of new folk and we are all B&S fans and so this list is for us and we should be able to give an opinion. so what is my opinion? I must say that I never before realised that there was any possibility of this kind of thing happening....my experiences of the list have always been good ones and I am very happy to be part of it. In the 4 hours since I last checked my mail however some very worrying things have taken place. Seb has talked of bullying by a group of members towards people who they feel are contributing the wrong sort of material to the list. Honey has talked of "enemies of the list". This is all very worrying...that such a comunity has enemies astounds me...that bullying has taken place scares me (just take a look at todays other thread in order to learn the terrible consequences of bullying...a debate I will be contributing to but strictly in private to those it concerns). So what can we do about it? well I know what I'm gonna do...I'm gonna continue enjoying this list and the many wonderful people on it....I'm gonna have fun in a B&S related manner (which is why we joined in the first place remember) and I aint gonna leave untill it stops being fun, which if everyone one else does the same is not gonna happen. I love you all please dont die owen With that the narrow wizard waggled his bushy eyebrows and disappeared in a flash of blue flame leaving behind only a faint smell of cinnamon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Fri May 21 17:50:36 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:50:36 -0700 Subject: Sinister: It's A Sad Day... Message-ID: <000701bea3aa$0c9df980$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> I think that I speak for most people when I say that this is all very sad. I think that there are a lot of people here who are holding Honey, Jeepster and the Belle's responsible for their personal happiness. Which is a bummer because only you can make you happy, the music just gives you something to sing along to. Again, the world and the above mentioned 'culprits' do not owe anyone anything. If what Seb said is true, that is sad. I will miss his witty posts, but lets move on. Let's not let this turn into some nasty Fraggle where this carries on for days. Honey - I am sorry if your feelings are hurt by all this. Regardless of what if going on, there are a lot of us who are grateful for your time and efforts. Life is made up of a lot of choices. Seb made the choice to write his mail, and thank you for your honesty Seb. But we have the choice to carry this on until this torch burns down the list, or let bygons and be bygons and carry on. The decision is ours. If 'Big Brother' is watching, so be it. We are not exactly cracking atoms here, nothing is top secret on the web anyway. Let's take control of this and choose to move on past this Fraggle and not let it get out of hand and hurt people's feelings. Funny how there have been all these posts about school yard bullies....... Snoggs, elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rehakk at xxx.edu Fri May 21 18:01:18 1999 From: rehakk at xxx.edu (Kimberly Rehak) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: disintergration of the list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: owen said: > well I know what I'm gonna do...I'm gonna continue enjoying this list and > the many wonderful people on it....I'm gonna have fun in a B&S related > manner (which is why we joined in the first place remember) and I aint > gonna leave untill it stops being fun, i say: i think that if discussion about this matter whirlwinds on, this list is going to get trite. i never had an ill reaction to that mean ditty ianh wrote. why? because i didn't read all of it. i read a bit of it, saw that it didn't interest me and said "oops, delete.." it's so much easier to shut your eyes than it is to shut your ears. (that's why it is so hard for me to watch violent films or telly programs--i can cover my eyes so i don't have to see it but i can't cover my ears with only one hand so i still get that stabbing sound, the bones cracking, or the gun shot BOOOM that i can never get out of my head) but if you don't like what you see, close those lids! in this case that is the best thing that needs to be done (says me at least). if we worry our pretty little heads about this, we are going to forget what we are here for. what are we here for? to have a lively discussion about life love and belle and sebby (among other things :) ) bitte! let's not have this carry on for too long or i'll find myself saying "oops...delete..." far too frequently. and i don't want that to happen... don't let the bastard grind you down... kisskiss KIMberly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From matthew.cropper at xxx.uk Fri May 21 17:37:11 1999 From: matthew.cropper at xxx.uk (Matthew Cropper) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:37:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Sports Biscuits Message-ID: <00191E56.1268@ccgate.aeat.co.uk> Does anyone have an opinion on the best type of sports biscuit ...mines cricket. Oh yeah. B&S are really great or something...and so am I. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk Fri May 21 18:06:35 1999 From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (poetryplace2) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 18:06:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Too funky for me Message-ID: <01bea3ac$481b3e80$046b9ac2@g5-200-3> Sorry to clog up your in-boxes with dull politics, but I wanted to support Honey and correct a few rather nasty insinuations Firstly I oughta say that Mr Seb's flair for melodramatic flouncing shows that his drama lessons haven't entirely gone to waste. Secondy, a little more seriously, can I respond to a few points here? "since [SOS's] founding 5-6 months ago the list has become more and more tired...because so many of the people who used to contribute so much to the real list have stopped posting". Well I can only disagree. I like to think the list has got much better, partly through the institution of such ideas as the nursery, which allows people to acclimatise to the list, and points them in the direction of FAQs, biographies, details of Tigermilk etc. As to the supposed idea that SOS was cherry-picking the best posters and sapping Sinister, I can only say this is poppycock. I think I personally mailed one three line post in the entire time that SOS existed. To the best of my recollection nobody else posted very much more. The enthralling issues of discussion were, respectively, the question of the nursery, and the question of web-hosting. Paul asked some mates for advice. Lots of people do this. I know of several spin-off discussions from Sinister... some people set up little groups for their bowlie chalet, some people set up groups in their particular neck of the woods to co-ordinate picnics and things, Mistopher Christopher has the sleeka sounds list. There was even at one point a list for people who were providing B&S-related web resources. I dont tend to think of these as particularly malevolent. But then I don't like the x-files either. "I can only think that they spend so much time seeing if our post are up to scratch" Well, if this isnt paranoia, I don't know what is. On what do you base this supposition, Seb? Do you imagine a crew of ice-skating judges holding up marker cards? "I've read things from the SOS list and I've read bullying letters sent by its members". I'd be fascinated to know what these are Seb. No, really I would. I think it's the sign of an interesting mind to realise that generally there are at least two sides to every story and thirteen ways of looking at every blackbird. You seem to have heard one rather warped version. It would have been more interesting to hang around and hear some others, no? Twice in a week now it's been rather demoralising to see people raise potentially interesting debates and walk out slamming the door behind them. I continue to get a great deal out of sinister: I've made terrific mates from all over the world and have had some wonderful times. I think this is because that because, by and large, the population of this list has been hilarious, thought-provoking, and reasonable. It would be an absolute crying shame if this was spoilt by some rather petty-minded and ill-informed paranoia. All the best Stevie Trousers +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From justin at xxx.com Fri May 21 18:03:52 1999 From: justin at xxx.com (Justin Williams) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:03:52 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Re: Reintegration of the list Message-ID: <4.1.19990521113910.0099f4e0@delafont.com> Evening Sinisterines, I know I have only been on this list a very short time compared to most, and I too have already felt the presence of a "clique" but there is absolutely no where in this world where cliques don't exist in one form or another. The clique, that we have here as far as I see it, is of the most harmless of ones. I don't know Seb nor have I ever written to him, and although I have admired many of his postings I agree with Honey that he should not have gone too such an extreme without discussing it first in private. Already I see that Andrew has decided to unsubscribe and unfortunately there will probably be more to follow. As a newbie I have felt many times uncertainty when it came to posting here simply because of my feeling of marginalization, but lately it seems that many newbies have been expressing this concern so why is it that we can't feel welcome when we have each other? I respect the "seniority" of long-term list members without hesitation, but what is keeping us newbies from posting what we want to say (even if it isn't the most updated bit of info you ever did see). I'm not saying that we should just post nonsense about what happens to hit us while we are sitting at the keyboard, but we shouldn't be afraid to start our own conversation string. Who cares if a "selected elite" (which I don't even think exists) is judging our every word? Let them have their opinions and their "second list" if it pleases them, but that shouldn't mean the end of the main list. Obviously Honey cares for this list a great deal or the grief and worry in his posts about the state of the list wouldn't be so apparent. Yeah, there may be a small number of listees that are closer to Honey, and some of them may not agree with what he does. I think we should just trust Honey to set things straight, and I think we owe it to him not to listen to rumors until they have been substantiated. We are a family here. We should try to work out our problems, not run from them. I love you all too Justin W Felonius Monk "Often I tried the frightening way of "reality," Where things that count are profession, law, fashion, finance, But disillusioned and freed I fled away alone To the other side, the place of dreams and blessed folly." - Hermann Hesse, Wanderings +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From JMoorkens at xxx.ie Fri May 21 18:08:36 1999 From: JMoorkens at xxx.ie (Joss Moorkens) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 18:08:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: They shoot Hipsters, don't they? Message-ID: FunkySeb wrote: Face it, when did you last cry with either laughter or gut ripping emotion after reading a post? Which seemed pretty elitist to me. And pretty insulting to everyone who puts such effort into what they write. Suffice to say I'm still subscribed here because I get something out of it. Whether or not there's a correlating commentary list makes fuck all difference to me. A list about a list eh? Whatever will they think of next.... Joss +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From csomeone at xxx.com Fri May 21 18:19:37 1999 From: csomeone at xxx.com (Cynthia Someone) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:19:37 PDT Subject: Sinister: Os Mutantes! Os Mutantes! Os Mutantes! Message-ID: <19990521171937.74626.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello everyone: I've been very sad to hear about all the mutter and flufferings about the list, and that some people may be leaving because we have heard two sides to the story, two extreme sides, and a couple of reactions to which. But I wanted to make some suppositions. I don't know if there is anyone to blame for all of this, the only thing I could blame is Negativity and Faithlessness. Faithlessness that the list will become boring, which, obviously, has not been of late, with much philosophizing on romanticism and shyness and things. and negativity because people choose to see other people as having bad intentions. and do they really? I can't imagine ex-listees having anti-list sentiment that would be really worth anyone's consideration. I'm sure they mean no harm towards anyone personally, and perhaps have what the Buddhists would call "wrong view". I tend to believe that the reason why people get upset, or negative, is because of a misunderstanding of the way of things, and that being upset or negative creates these hard, unwavering criticisms of people on the list, et cetera. Basically, i think i am trying to say that people are being unwise. in all sorts of ways. I do, however, think that having a select, unelected group of people determining the way of the list can be stifling. I used to live in a cooperative, that was so dedicated to an extremely liberal way of life, very hippie, they used to have white sugar wars in "the good old days" but when new people came in, a new breed, there was a lot of negativity in the house, which completely ruined the ideals of the house in the long run. Hippieness became an "image" more than a way of life, and everyone felt bad because they couldn't live up to them. The house has lost all it's flavor. Look what's happened to the Catholic Church: all these people losing touch with an outdated way. I think maybe it would be a good idea if we came up with a list of rules that could be agreed upon by everyone, and maybe come up with a cleaner, better way for honey to seek out advice. or at least trust that the honey filters out bad and good advice, eschews back-handed criticism, et cetera. with the idea that the list is a changing thing, and everyone must stay open and positive. I personally don't blame honey, i think everyone makes mistakes. lesley jo said: the romantics and symbolists found emotion and esthetic more important than giving a moral message, or depicting in photographic/scientific reality--they preferred to draw from mythology, and simply make things that were exotic, splendid and beautiful to look at. someone might say it's morally empty---i dont 'see it like that at all. it's art for the sake of itself. I think that all art has a spiritual basis, and spirit and morals go hand in hand. one must have spirit to have morals. Music has the power to soften the heart and open the way to right understanding. Morally empty? I should say not. no music lacks a political and social stance, be it positive or negative. Music can be morally empty, but it comes from a lack of vision from the musician. Avante garde, folk music, whatever, matters little the genre. We listen to music, and we hear the heart of the musician. some people have more soul than others. Accusations of a genre of having merit this way or that, falls by the wayside wehn we are blown away by the spirit of the musician. Bjork succeeds because she has the sould of a banshee. {insert plug for the mysticism of sound and music, by hazrat inayat khan from the Sinister book club.} Cynthia _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Fri May 21 18:15:16 1999 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (V0168JE2) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 18:15:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Non-clique-related post Message-ID: <199905211708.SAA29339@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> I asked you all about which books i should get a few days ago and got one hell of a response, so i compiled a table with one point gained for a reccomendation, one lost for a condemnation, and half- points given out for various mixed responses. So top of the table came The Great Gatsby (8 points) which you all seem to love, second came The Unbearable Lightness of Being (5 points) and third came Lucky Jim (4 1/2 points), so I'll get those three. Thank you all. Last came Garrison Kellar with minus 3 1/2 points, evidently not popular in sinister-land. I had it described as "really boring," "really bad bathroom table stuff," "literature-lite" and, scarliy, "it'll make your eyes bleed." So I won't get that then. I'll reply to you all and the other 50 or so e-mails in the next week now I've got some free time on my hands. Oh, and otherwise I notice that another sinister campaign has been succesful, with coco pops again avaliable on the shelves of asda thanks to her fluffyness and her direct action campaign. I wonder if she played "what shall we do" by the open university to them until they promised to resore the pop title. Stay twee, xxxxx weejay. PS alright, I lied. I think we should all give the list a chance, but I also think that if we (rightly and reasonably, IMHO) can't discuss the list on the list then there shouldn't be some big discussion elsewhere that some of us are excluded from. I hope this hasn't been the case though. Blue Glow is now at http://diskant.future.easyspace.com/blueglow/ (This network is as sick as a dog. If you can't get through try maleslut at chickmail.com instead) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Fri May 21 19:22:29 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:22:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Back on my soapbox and waving my pitchfork References: <00ad01bea3a3$0b7eab00$8ab7883e@dreamwish.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <3745A465.15F1279A@student.paisley.ac.uk> You must be getting so sick of this, I know I am :) I realise I have recently set myself up as some sort of staunch defender of this list and the people on it, and I apologise for doing so. I have no right to do so, other than the right of free speeach, to which we are all entitled and the fact I have this list as a forum for my rantings is very nice indeed. Before any accusations get levelled at me, as a couple of people seem to think that because I ramble on a bit about stuff and know a couple of people, I am part of a clique, I would like to state categorically that I did not know about this "other" list and I certainly wasn't on it. I don't know anyone who was, but if as Honey said it was friends of his, then I could hazard a fair guess. That, however, is neither here nor there. andrew skilton wrote: > interesting that, considering how long the rules for posting (cunningly and > somewhat misleadingly referred to as the "FAQ") are, they fail to mention > probably the singularly most important thing about the list - that we're all > being watched and commented on all of the time. Of course we are being watched. It's a moderated list and Honey does this AS WELL AS HIS REAL JOB, it's a labour of love for him, and I for one wouldn't do it for all the tea in China. Who do you think steps in when it gets nasty (see the Iain fiasco etc), tending to cuts and bruises and wiping the tears from our eyes. He is there silently at all times, watching and generally being unobtrusive as we go on our merry way. Recently you will have noticed that this list has been disappearing up its own arse, people are posting thinly-disguised flames to the list, the "talking about the list on the list" thing has been blatantly abused (not least by me, and I would apologise if I thought it in the slightest bit unjustified, and would not have been in the least bit surprised had Honey given me my marching orders for being a self-righteous arse who flouts rules whenever it suits. I may be on shaky ground here again, but if this list is going down then I for one am not going to let it without a damn good fight), as I was saying it's all getting more and more pear-shaped and Honey does his damnedest to keep it going. When sneaky little people like Funkyseb come in and try to shoot it all down in flames, it is difficult to see how he can possibly want to go on. And I get the impression that we weren't being commented on, rather it was general admin shit they were talking about. I doubt Funkyseb is reading this anymore, but to the rest of you, I have to say I am sadly disappointed in him. For those of you unfortunate not to have had the privilege, Funkyseb is as delightful and charming and funny and clever in real life as he comes across in his all-too-infrequent postings. I thought a great deal of him before I met him at Bowlie, and even more when I came back. Big Stu, I would like you to take back my listcrush vote for Seb, it may seem petty, but he has let himself down rather a lot in my estimation and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Back to the topic in hand, the watching of the list. It's a fucking mammoth task, and Andrew Skilton, I bet you wouldn't do it as well as a full-time job and not receive a penny, far less the gratitude of the people like you who Honey actually does this for in the first place. If you are so concerned with the ins and outs of the FAQ then you will be aware of the need to read other things that have been posted before jumping in all guns blazing, and that flaming is not allowed. I reckon you violated both in your post. You flamed Honey and you never ever listened to him for a second, choosing to believe the rantings of Funkyseb instead. I know who I believe. > while i'm all for keeping > such a huge list under strict control to stop it getting out of hand, this > is taking things to a quite ridiculous and frankly stupid level. what kind > of a mailing list is it where a group of people who consider themselves to > be above the regular list members have their own forum for discussing what > we write? i'm not sure what the answer to that is, to be honest, asides from > one where i don't want to be. Did you actually *READ* Honey's post? He quite clearly said it wasn't a clique/elite/whatever you want to call it, he does a very difficult job in his spare time, and he wanted some help and advice. Tell me you have never asked your friends for help and advice? And they never considered themselves to be above the rest of us. Honey IS above us, by virtue of his listmummy status, but is also one of us, a fan of the band and a fan of the list. He wrote to me ages ago and said so himself. I doubt anyone elected themselves onto the SOS discussion group, and Honey probably does value the opinions of his friends, I know I value the opinions of mine :) > i'm sure there'll be loads of debate on this subject, with nearly every post > better and more intelligently put than this one, but i don't care. whilst > these posts are and continue to be analysed by honey and his elite little > clique, the whole thing seems a pointless and ego-driven waste of > time. There shouldn't be any debate at all, as the whole thing is frankly pathetic. I have just read the latest additions to my inbox (my, we are all getting chatty now, eh) and wholeheartedly agree with Trousers. Funkyseb is a coward and a fool. Trousers is very much one of the people I referred to last week as the lovely people I met at Bowlie, and surely the fact that Trousers, who continues to post to this list (despite Funkyseb's accusations that the "elite" were too absorbed in their judgement of us to bother talking to us), is the man trying to shut us all up about this nonsense shows just how foolish reactionary drivel like Andrew's really is. I am inwardly applauding Trousers for having the guts to out himself as one of the "clique", I have the utmost admiration for him, now more than ever. Oh, and I have no idea either where these bullying letters were, as I never read them. I realise as I write this that one of my recent posts about the Fraggle disaster may have been construed as such (not least by the lovely Elle, who refers to it in almost every post), but I know that's not what Funkyseb was on about - as he knows so much about the sinister Sinisters, he will be fully aware that I am not one of them. I apologise wholeheartedly for supposing the right to tell you not to go on and on about things, but really, I was trying to save Honey as I can almost see the exasperation emanating from his every word these days. It's been said so many times before about Fraggling, as it seems now to officially be called, and I just thought I would stick my tuppenceworth in as it seemed appropriate. No-one listens to me anyway so it didn't really matter :) As you may well have noticed, I am inordinately fond of this list and the majority of people on it. I have nothing but the deepest respect for Honey, and although I know he will be reading this (that's as a listmummy and sinister member, not as a dictatorial fascist wielding a big stick), I am going to write him a letter giving him my support. I strongly suggest you all do the same. Oh, and Cynthia, I know this seems patently obvious given what I've just said, but > I do, however, think that having a select, unelected group of people > determining the way of the list can be stifling. and > I think maybe it would be a good idea if we came up with a > list of rules that could be agreed upon by everyone, and maybe come up > with a cleaner, better way for honey to seek out advice. have completely missed the point of what Honey has said. The reason we weren't asked who we wanted on the Sinister "ruling list" is because it is none of our damn business. If Honey wants to talk privately to his mates, fine, I for one don't give a toss. He could ask his mum, or Splat or the man in the moon for all I care, but I don't see that asking people who have been kicking around these parts for months even years, what they think has changed and what might make it better is so wrong. Also the idea that new rules can be come up with that we all agree with. Firstly, I do not want my inbox cluttered up with people saying "scrap the nursery" "no don't scrap the nursery, make it a month longer" etc. Secondly, rules have been there since I joined the list (around the same time as you from what I can make out in the archives, Cynthia), and the only new one was the introduction of the nursery which I for one think is a perfectly good idea, and for those not here pre-nursery-installation, just a stricter enforcement of a previous rule which merely asked us politely not to post for a couple of weeks until you'd lurked and absorbed some of the atmosphere. What I am trying to say is that we're all here through choice, we know the rules and the score (well some of us listening to malicious gossip obviously don't but hey-ho), and if you don't like the rules and the way Honey is running this list, leave. Join another list. Set up one of your own. It's a big world out there on the Web, and you'll be made perfectly welcome somewhere if you don't feel welcome here. Just don't question Honey's integrity. He does this for *us* you know, and we should all be bloody grateful. Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glawler at xxx.ie Fri May 21 19:22:15 1999 From: glawler at xxx.ie (Gary Lawler) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:22:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Random stuff Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990521192215.007d1ac0@gpo.iol.ie> Cliques, eh? I agree with Justin on this one - they're inevitable. People will gravitiate towards people most like themselves and form a little tribe. Nothing really wrong with it, it's happening right now on a hundred different boards and lists right now. As long as it doesn't disrupt the day-to-day runnings of things, I say let it be. Meh. The B&S newsgroup isn't showing up on my server yet. Lot of talk about shyness . . . has anyone ever seen Neon Genesis Evangelion? About this really, really shy kid and how he deals with the people around him (he also fights Angels in a giant robot, but that's beside the point). I'm up to vol.8 and it's quite good. Ooh, short post. -- Gary Lawler * ICQ UIN: 11115268 * AIM: seclite369 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From csomeone at xxx.com Fri May 21 20:07:32 1999 From: csomeone at xxx.com (Cynthia Someone) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:07:32 PDT Subject: No subject Message-ID: <19990521190732.79165.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear list people: I feel I must speak, because obviously I have been misheard in some respects. Ailsa suggests that I am criticizing Honey's efforts and that for some reason the length of time I have been on the list (9 months) has something to do with my ideas... Basically I am what could be considered an open person, to the point of being as open to liberalism as conservativism. I often don't form opinions at the expense of another side. and what I was trying to do was not side against or for Honey, but trying to come up with an understanding that embraces both sides. as other people have said, we cannot run away from our problems, and for people to just say, lets forget all problems, lets attack/be dissappointed in seb, lets flounce off and be self-righteous, is just avoidance. There appears to be little all-embracing love in this discussion. people are choosing sides. Why choose sides? Why not try and understand everyone. Funkyseb is not a bad person, and I've always enjoyed his posts. I've always enjoyed being on the list and everyone's postings, and I have a hard time trying to convince myself that anyone on the list knows who to judge or blame, simply because no one seems to understand the whole situation. So I would rather think that everyone is writing out of sincerity and so not blame anyone. I blame qualities of nature, and not people. as for my suggestions as to advice or group agreed rules, Ailsa is right, it would be too much effort. I was just trying to help. I felt that if there is discontent as to how the list was run, there should be some way to solve the problem. I mean, hey, if there are a lot of discontented people, and discontented for good reason, than maybe they should be heard. Cynthia _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Fri May 21 20:06:21 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:06:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Why I'm not leaving Sinister Message-ID: <80256778.0068F483.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> I'm not going to go on and on about this, but I just thought I'd say a few things that might make this a bit clearer: Yes, SoS does exist. I think it's a crap name and gives the wrong impression (ie. that Sinister is "theirs" to be saved from unspecified "others"). It's not like that. In the short time I was on it, it emphatically did NOT sit there 'monitoring' what gets posted to Sinister. It just got formed because Honey needed to sound ideas off about what to do about the list when it went through a bad patch late last year (remember all that US vs UK animosity that got whipped up by some people, for example?). It wasn't an elected list no - just a bunch of people who had made helpful suggestions before or that he had got to know and trust somehow. I wasn't on it. And I was a bit shocked when I found out about it earlier this year. I said to Honey how bad the whole thing looked and he was dead embarrased and tried to explain why it had got formed. I belatedly joined. The reason it was kept secret is that it does sound bad - like there's an A-list of people. But I erally think it's not like that. When you think about it *anyone's* got the right to talk to *whoever* they want, especially about things that matter to them so much. The other options were just to stick with talking to people on an individual basis (which is not that efficient as a way of bouncing around ideas) or to clog up the Sinister list with talk about it (which is a surefire way of making the list dull as ditchwater). OR have an elected body, which is what Seb and others have suggested. Why not have an elected body? a) I think it's impractical and makes the whole thing look like some kind of bloody UN agency - it's a POP MUSIC LIST for heaven's sake. I think we'd become a laughing stock. I can just imagine telling my friends that I'm canvassing votes for my Belle and Sebastian 'Vote Dastoor and I'll send you your bundles of digests sprinkled in glitter' ticket. I think it would put load of people off joining at all - the idea that we're all in some kind of competition to be the most popular listees so that we get elected. b)More importantly, it's Honey's list and he runs it how he thinks best. There was never, as FunkySeb implies 'democracy' on the list. And the list was NEVER run by SoS. As it happened, someone suggested (the last time SoS was active) posting messages to it expressing their final views on whether we should accept Jeepster's offer to run the list under the belleandsebastian.co.uk domain. They asked everyone to flag their messages in the subject heading to make it clear what they 'voted' for. Which did make it look like a council. But this *wasn't* Honey's idea, and he made it clear in his response that he was not acting as a result of the way the votes fell but because he had come to his own decision, for which he took all responsibility. The only real thing to come out of the discussion on SoS was to start up the nursery period. Which I think has worked really well, giving people a chance to get the feel of the place and look around at the archives and website before launching in. In my view, there have been some lovely, interesting posts from new people lately. I hope that doesn't sound patronising. SoS, to my knowledge, went pretty quiet (like only about a couple of posts a month) after that and only really got revived to talk about what to do about Jeepster setting up their own list and so on. > Well, because many of the people who used to contribute so >much to the real list have joined SOS, and stopped posting to the real >list. (I can think of only a couple of exceptions to this rule.) And I >can only think that they spend so much time seeing if our posts are up to >scratch that they don't have the time to contribute to the list >themselves... All I can say about this is that if it's is the case (which I don't think it is) then it's certainly not because they are spending their time on SoS instead. They're probably just shagging. >I won't stay on a list where a handful of unelected people (fuck it, >let's call it what it is...a clique) decide who and what meets their >standards, and ridicule and bully those whom they dislike. I've read >things from the SOS list, and I've read bulling letters sent by its >members, and I hate what I see. I'm horrified but if anyone has received bullying messages from *anyone* , SoS or non SoS, then I completely deplore it. If these bullies were SoS people that I have met and liked then I'm really cross at myself for having misjudged them. But the question is: 'What would you do about it?'. No one, not even Honey with all his magic powers, can stop people being horrible to people in private emails. All he can do is keep it off the list. Which he does a bloody effective job of - too effective in some people's eyes to judge from last week's nonsense. Personally, I'm glad about SoS getting wound up. I understood why Paul needed it but I had a horrid feeling that it was going to end in tears. Shame FunkySeb felt the need to drag it all through the mud, but hopefully people won't all rush off like Andrew without hearing the other side of the story first. I'm forwarding this to him in the vain hope that he might come back. Love you all. I think the list has been *great* the last coule of months. I've certainly laughed like an idiot at many a post. I might even have cried once or twice. Actually I'm crying now, but that's because my contact lens is playing up. Nick xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nptc2 at xxx.uk Fri May 21 20:36:51 1999 From: nptc2 at xxx.uk (Neil) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:36:51 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Chill out! In-Reply-To: <19990521190732.79165.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Why don't you all just chill out and stop taking yourselves and the list so seriously. Surely there are more important things than this list and Belle and Sebastian in general although it's been hard to notice this recently from some of the posts. Please don't take offence. A true story: "There was a boy called Mike and a girl called Louise and they had been happy for many years together. But then they kind of got distracted by unfortunately being distant from each other and lost sight of why they were together and spent all their time arguing about why they were together. All they seemed to do together was argue about the reasons for them doing anything together and after a while it just seemed like there was nothing worth keeping hold of and that they should split up. But thankfully they realised just in time that there was a reason for them being together in the first place, namely that is was fun and they really enjoyed each others company and it made them happy. So they decided to just have a good time together and then went out and had really good fun and all the arguments were forgotten. Now they have stopped arguing about why they are together and are just enjoying being together and things seem like they will go on forever." ? Sorry for any sort of shitness that this message has contained. Neil +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Fri May 21 21:05:26 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:05:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: An apology References: <19990521190732.79165.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <3745BC86.91B253F8@student.paisley.ac.uk> OK, I have obviously not given my last post the due care and attention it deserved, and as a result have been misconstrued somewhat. It's just difficult to think rationally when something I care about as much as this list is erupting all around me :) Cynthia Someone wrote: > I feel I must speak, because obviously I have been misheard in some > respects. Ailsa suggests that I am criticizing Honey's efforts and that for > some reason the length of time I have been on the list (9 months) has > something to do with my ideas... Cynthia, this absolutely could not be further from the truth. The only reason I made the point about how long you had been on the list was to give myself a reference point before mentioning the rules. I wanted to know whether you knew about the switch to the nursery system, and also would have felt a touch foolish had I said "and the rules have always been the same on the list" if you had been here since long time before me and they all got changed before I came along sticking my nose in. It was perhaps badly worded and I apologise. I try so bloody hard to be fair and inoffensive and courteous, dirty words in some people's books I know, but hell, it's just the way I am. Or at least try to be. And I have stuck up for new people and old people on this list, and try to be as non-judgmental as possible. I'm sorry you see me as so petty that I would draw distinctions between people based on how long they have been here for. I'm not, honest :) > people are choosing sides. Why choose sides? I don't see it as choosing sides. I see it as backing Sinister. See, it's Honey's list to do with as he pleases. If he turned it into a crypto-fascist state tomorrow, I'd unsubscribe. I might be tempted to try and start my own list. I would not try and change his mind, it would soon be changed when 1100 people disappeared off to the alternative fan resources on the web, or created their own. But ultimately this is Paul's list to do with as he pleases. He's doing this, as I keep saying, for fun and for us. It must be bloody difficult to find the motivation to go on when it all gets like this. He alone says what goes, OK, there are a few of us (I hold my hands up to this) who come along and do some prodding on his behalf, but it is a mammoth task for one man and all I have ever tried to do is stand up for him and his list. Actually, backing Sinister is choosing a side isn't it? I do apologise, but it's hard to be coherent and logical when all you can see is a red mist descending. > as for my suggestions as to advice or group agreed rules, Ailsa is right, it > would be too much effort. I was just trying to help. I felt that if there is > discontent as to how the list was run, there should be some way to solve the > problem. I mean, hey, if there are a lot of discontented people, and > discontented for good reason, than maybe they should be heard. In hindsight, I wish I had taken out that bit about getting my inbox clogged up with rule suggestions. Not because I know think it's a good idea, but because I don't feel I have any right to tell Honey how to run his list, and neither does anyone else. That is not to say I am right obviously, and perhaps if you all write to Honey and tell him how you feel about things he will do something about it. That is, after all, what he's there for :) Big hurrahs to Nick Dastoor for being the second SOS-er out of the closet. I know three people know involved in this (one has written to me privately, but public outing of this person is at their discretion not mine), and so far if I *had* to have an elected body to run this thing, all three of them would be on it. But it was all working so well before the shit got thrown at the fan, why the hell is this making such a difference? Can anyone honestly say that had these allegations not been made public that they were desperately unhappy with the way Paul is running this list? To anyone else I may have been causing offence to, I'm really really sorry. I am not one of Paul's little gang of friends, I have met him twice and have probably spoken to him for about five minutes in my life. I am just a fan of this list and I want to stand up for it and it so happens that the way I see it is that means I have to stick up for Paul too. I am all of these things I tried to stand up for earlier in the week, nice, courteous, tolerant, polite, well I try to be wherever possible. So if I upset anyone else with my poorly phrased thoughts, I'm sorry :) It sounded nice and rational and non-controversial in my head, I swear :) That's more than enough from me now, and once more, apologies to Cynthia. I'm going for a lie down, people who wrote to me, you'll just have to wait until later I'm afraid. But thanks :) Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dbgeraghty at xxx.uk Fri May 21 21:13:37 1999 From: dbgeraghty at xxx.uk (David Geraghty) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:13:37 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Right then, can we stop this bloody madness. please Message-ID: <001401bea3c6$6c564dc0$e829d4d4@oemcomputer> this is an email list about a band we all love. Can we all stop being so bloody precious as it is getting us no-where. I love B&S, and i reckon the rest of you do too. If anyone really has a problem, then unsubscribe. No one is making you stay, and if you have such a massive problem with all this, you won't mind. This is getting petty, and i'm getting bored. Belle and Sebastian. Just thought a few of you needed reminding.... sorry for my tone, cos, shit, i am fairly new... david +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From csomeone at xxx.com Fri May 21 21:15:43 1999 From: csomeone at xxx.com (Cynthia Someone) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:15:43 PDT Subject: Sinister: Re: An apology Message-ID: <19990521201544.26393.qmail@hotmail.com> See? See? I knew the people on the list had good intentions! things just get all muddled up in virtual land. I really don't think anyone involved in this had any bad intentions, from nick to paul to ailsa, people just have their moments of misunderstanding. so don't feel bad, ailsa. you made me feel better with your apology. I don't know what people should do to make everyone feel better, but I think Nick helped a lot by telling us his side. anyway, it's friday and it's beautiful out. and it's time to leave work! hurrah! Cynthia >From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) >To: Cynthia Someone >CC: sinister at Majordomo.net >Subject: An apology >Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:05:26 +0100 > >OK, I have obviously not given my last post the due care and attention >it deserved, and as a result have been misconstrued somewhat. It's just >difficult to think rationally when something I care about as much as >this list is erupting all around me :) > >Cynthia Someone wrote: > > > I feel I must speak, because obviously I have been misheard in some > > respects. Ailsa suggests that I am criticizing Honey's efforts and that >for > > some reason the length of time I have been on the list (9 months) has > > something to do with my ideas... > > >Cynthia, this absolutely could not be further from the truth. The only >reason I made the point about how long you had been on the list was to >give myself a reference point before mentioning the rules. I wanted to >know whether you knew about the switch to the nursery system, and also >would have felt a touch foolish had I said "and the rules have always >been the same on the list" if you had been here since long time before >me and they all got changed before I came along sticking my nose in. It >was perhaps badly worded and I apologise. I try so bloody hard to be >fair and inoffensive and courteous, dirty words in some people's books I >know, but hell, it's just the way I am. Or at least try to be. And I >have stuck up for new people and old people on this list, and try to be >as non-judgmental as possible. I'm sorry you see me as so petty that I >would draw distinctions between people based on how long they have been >here for. I'm not, honest :) > > > people are choosing sides. Why choose sides? > >I don't see it as choosing sides. I see it as backing Sinister. See, >it's Honey's list to do with as he pleases. If he turned it into a >crypto-fascist state tomorrow, I'd unsubscribe. I might be tempted to >try and start my own list. I would not try and change his mind, it >would soon be changed when 1100 people disappeared off to the >alternative fan resources on the web, or created their own. But >ultimately this is Paul's list to do with as he pleases. He's doing >this, as I keep saying, for fun and for us. It must be bloody difficult >to find the motivation to go on when it all gets like this. He alone >says what goes, OK, there are a few of us (I hold my hands up to this) >who come along and do some prodding on his behalf, but it is a mammoth >task for one man and all I have ever tried to do is stand up for him and >his list. > >Actually, backing Sinister is choosing a side isn't it? I do apologise, >but it's hard to be coherent and logical when all you can see is a red >mist descending. > > > as for my suggestions as to advice or group agreed rules, Ailsa is >right, it > > would be too much effort. I was just trying to help. I felt that if >there is > > discontent as to how the list was run, there should be some way to solve >the > > problem. I mean, hey, if there are a lot of discontented people, and > > discontented for good reason, than maybe they should be heard. > >In hindsight, I wish I had taken out that bit about getting my inbox >clogged up with rule suggestions. Not because I know think it's a good >idea, but because I don't feel I have any right to tell Honey how to run >his list, and neither does anyone else. That is not to say I am right >obviously, and perhaps if you all write to Honey and tell him how you >feel about things he will do something about it. That is, after all, >what he's there for :) > >Big hurrahs to Nick Dastoor for being the second SOS-er out of the >closet. I know three people know involved in this (one has written to >me privately, but public outing of this person is at their discretion >not mine), and so far if I *had* to have an elected body to run this >thing, all three of them would be on it. But it was all working so >well before the shit got thrown at the fan, why the hell is this making >such a difference? Can anyone honestly say that had these allegations >not been made public that they were desperately unhappy with the way >Paul is running this list? > >To anyone else I may have been causing offence to, I'm really really >sorry. I am not one of Paul's little gang of friends, I have met him >twice and have probably spoken to him for about five minutes in my >life. I am just a fan of this list and I want to stand up for it and it >so happens that the way I see it is that means I have to stick up for >Paul too. I am all of these things I tried to stand up for earlier in >the week, nice, courteous, tolerant, polite, well I try to be wherever >possible. So if I upset anyone else with my poorly phrased thoughts, >I'm sorry :) It sounded nice and rational and non-controversial in my >head, I swear :) > >That's more than enough from me now, and once more, apologies to >Cynthia. I'm going for a lie down, people who wrote to me, you'll just >have to wait until later I'm afraid. But thanks :) > >Ailsa xx > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From melissa.thornton at xxx.ca Fri May 21 22:07:01 1999 From: melissa.thornton at xxx.ca (MelissaThornton) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:07:01 -0400 Subject: Sinister: new romantics References: <000f01bea36d$09692100$2411020a@rebelstrange> Message-ID: <3745CAF5.73400E09@utoronto.ca> Lesley J Miller wrote: > iNO you silly monkey. isobel does not give you stomach ache. i've > never > taken st johns wort. all i know is it's sposedta make you fuzzy and > happy. > it probably doestn', > actually, i take st. johns wort every night...it helps me get to sleep.and i just found out that my mumsie planted a st. johns wort plant in our garden...am i supposed to make a salade out of the leaves? "the salade of sleep" yours etc. emily +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tinystar at xxx.com Fri May 21 22:46:06 1999 From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:46:06 -0400 Subject: Sinister: morphological type: helical Message-ID: <014e01bea3d3$99ee22a0$641e05d1@oemcomputer> hey list kids, i'm glad most of the confrontation here has blown over, at the first sign of trouble i retreated to my bed with my protective lion. yes, i'm a big suck. but i can also be quite nasty if i have reason. i'm as twee as i want to be. so my absence means that i haven't had the chance to mention to y'all that my photos from the delgados show are up on my page, http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/3733 go to 'galleries' and you'll see them listed there. enjoy. it's come to my attention that cashews aren't exactly the best low-fat snack to be eating, considering that they're the fat organ of a plant. oh well. to the boy that was looking for cheap prada: ha! it doesn't exist. about lowercase letters: my pinky finger tends to get cramped up from reaching for the shift key too often, so i save it for special occasions. about pink cardigan-wearing fluffy kittens(or whatever that was): i was wearing a fluffy green skirt today, and i've also got a lovely lilac purse (as seen on buffy this week!) that's akin to a ball of fur. i guess to be sufficiently twee i'll have to search out that essential furry pink cardie. really, playing the flute, crying at the drop of a hat and wearing cardies religiously is as twee as i get. i would have taken ballet for the additional willowy pose and grace, but i was told that i wasn't skinny enough. ohohoh, megan wrote: >dp museum???? i'll take my head out of the gutter just long enough to say that i don't think i have to point out what else those initials stand for. nydp blue, indeed. it's nice to see that nobody missed me. you can hit delete now. smut-tacular, jessicaxo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m (it's lovely being a girl) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alix.campbell at xxx.net Fri May 21 23:21:01 1999 From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:21:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 19, not limber in the slightest Message-ID: <01bd01bea3d8$36e6a060$0d45a8c2@big-comp> dearest all ian said >out of interest..has anyone here ever stuck a marble up their nose? which i haven't, but, you know playmobil? yes? good. well, my brother once hooked a small playmobil umbrella up his nose and got it stuck round the top inside bit of his nose, and we had to take him to the hospital. it was a blue umbrella. that's all i remember. apart from laughing. well, indeed, it is my birthday. and lots of people have said happy birthday, which is quite lovely. although unfortunately the chef at work insisted on putting a sign up in my coffee room saying 'i'm 19 today, please be nice'. she's a mad chef, so i didn't dare take it down. that's mad as in more than a tad looper. wanders around the pub wearing snorkeling goggles. with slices of cucumber up her nose. de qween of england came to oxford today. she was wearing canary yellow. she drove past and everyone said 'look, she just drove past', but i wasn't looking. not very exciting, i know, i've never been able to write well to the list. also, i was in the oxford mail. with photos. well, one photo of me looking like i'd woken up half and hour ago. which i had. they quote me as saying 'when trains have been cancelled they have provided a taxi, which is good'. i wish i'd said 'which is nice' instead. the homeless bloke who i pass to and from work and give my meagre tips to, spoke to me about it -'you were in the paper, smirking'. oh. well. how come nick and ailsa can articulate things and i cannot? do either of you want to act as my spokesperson? does it help to have something to say first? i think i'll stick to simply seconding you instead. i can't think of anything to end this with. i hate dr. pepper. it tastes awful. crack, or no crack, i cannot abide it. when i want to take crack i don't beat around the bush, i just whip out my little homemade crack pipe and away i go. incidentally, those will self short stories tough tough toys blah blah blah.. were crap. love alix - I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing with you - But I'm not laughing +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk Fri May 21 23:24:59 1999 From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:24:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: just another opinion... Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jordi-tv at xxx.com Fri May 21 21:18:59 1999 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:18:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Because I want to see people and I want to see lights... Message-ID: <19990522001859.HM.000000000012iqO@mixmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jim.Schmidt at xxx.com Fri May 21 23:51:10 1999 From: Jim.Schmidt at xxx.com (Jim Schmidt) Date: Fri, 21 May 99 15:51:10 MST Subject: Sinister: the end of the virtual world? Message-ID: <9904219273.AA927327455@mail.newtimes.com> wow, i haven't seen so much drama since "dynasty"... just remember, at the end of the day, belle & sebastian is just a band of people who we don't even know. a great band nonetheless--one whose music has been influential enough to bring all of us together from all over the planet (universe?) to discuss our ideas/thoughts/feelings/etc. in a different forum...but it needs to be put in perspective. most of us will never meet, and it's kind of disturbing to realize that even a cyberspace community can't exist in a state of peace. it's the human condition. quite sad. you can't even escape it through artificial intelligence. is this the eighth sign or something as we hurl toward the millennium? "lists and branches of lists begin to dissolve as loyal followers of a poetic music messiah divide into camps as misinformation spreads over the information highway..." shiver me timbers. well, that's enough of that silliness. b&s content...i read somewhere that members of b&s are playing on the new secret goldfish album? truth? or more unsubstantiated rumours? i must know!!! have a great weekend everyone! and if you can't laugh at yourself, you can be sure that someone else is. cheers.jim. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From halobender at xxx.au Sat May 22 00:13:07 1999 From: halobender at xxx.au (damienfranciscathalfrost) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 09:13:07 +1000 Subject: Sinister: back in school Message-ID: <3745E882.AF71E757@loud.org.au> "What is it about Belle and Sebastian that make me feel connected again to my school childhood? Do any other B&S fans feel that same connection? And is it in the same way?" oh, this was one of the first things i thought when i heard them.. not only school but childhod in general.. with b&s everything seems so fresh, like you're discovering love and sadness all over again. i can't help but feel sorry for kids in school at the moment. i mean with all this scare about "trench coat mafias" dissasociated, shy and awkward kids ready to blow everyones brains out. gosh! i know me and my friends would all have been put into counselling sessions right away. i read about this kid, who after writing down their thoughts on the shootings (as the class was asked to) was put into counselling because they wrote that while they dont condone the actions or the violence, that they could empathise with and understand what led them to do it.... stars of track and field... anyway, while we're sort of on the subject who else thinks that (sweping musical tastes under the rug for now) marylin manson would be a fun guy to hang out with on a friday night- you know, hit the town, drink a little and go to a few discos with hiim in tow. the bookstore i work in just got a copy of his biography, which btw is a really really funny book if you can find a copy second hand (which,give it a few months and you undoubtedly will) and i was flicking through it and when customers came up to the counter i had this automatic reaction to try and hide it, like i was embarrassed to be caught reading it. which i sort of was. and for a bit of scottish flavour... Q. What's the difference between a bagpipe and an onion? A. No one cries when you chop up a bagpipe. ..sorry d oh i can't help myself.... Q. How is playing a bagpipe like throwing a javelin blindfolded? A. You don't have to be very good to get people's attention. Q. What's the definition of a gentleman? A. Someone who knows how to play the bagpipe and doesn't. : : : : : : : object not found : : : : : : : : http://www.renewal.org.au/object : : : : : : loser-fi(delity) radio : : : : : : http://www.renewal.org.au/loser +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From susannah at xxx.net Sat May 22 01:18:28 1999 From: susannah at xxx.net (susannah) Date: Sat, 22 May 99 00:18:28 GMT Subject: Sinister: you all love it up the arse Message-ID: <990522001828.n0026350.garton@mail.clara.net> You do! you really really do! Shut up. Anyway, I feel compelled to right in and tell you about a clever clever doggy who lives down the road. He is a black doggy and runs around Stoke Newington with no collar on. But the funny thing is, he uses the zebra crossings! I've seen him use two different ones now, and he'll actually hesitate before crossing them, just to make sure the cars are stopping before walking out. What a clever doggy. Also i resigned from my job last week. Just walked in and said 'stick it up your arse you fat knobhead'. Actually thats a lie I wrote a very polite letter that went something like this: 'Dear Boss, I am notifying you of my resignation. I am leaving on the 18th June, and therefore have given the required months notice.' Yours etc. etc. But what exactly are you meant to write? people talk about 'giving in their notice' but whats meant to be in it? Thing is, when I go, nobodys going to flippin' well notice anyway. I walked out that day thinking ' yeah, yeah, I've done it, yeah, that showed them! cunts!' but about fifteen minutes later it had spookily changed to 'ohmigod, what am I meant to do now?' Escort girls, right, do they actually have to have sex? or is it just taking old men to the opera and listening to them moaning about their wives? Thing is you get loads more money if you actually 'do' it, so if you take them out, and they turn out to be 'alright' then why not? I've done it with worse people for less. I've done it with worse people for free. Anyway, the one off 'Cops' who went to the escort agency was fit. Ewan McGregor fans watch out. You know you all thought he was a nice loving family man? Bollocks to that. Apparently he's a real tart and gets off with loads of girls. He had an affair with Anna Friel whilst filming Rogue Trader, she was obsessed with him apparently, and I met this girl last Saturday whose friend shagged him in the toilets of a film doo, and afterwards he wiped himself on the curtain, zipped himself up and went out to meet his wife. And Gary Linekar? Mr. Squeaky clean? uh-uh, shags anything that moves. Liam Gallagher? Had sex with Kate Moss at a party and thats why Patsy walked out. I know its all a bit graphic but girls, you gotta know. Don't trust 'em. Right. Shut up. Susannah. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From PaperSun23 at xxx.com Sat May 22 00:33:51 1999 From: PaperSun23 at xxx.com (PaperSun23 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:33:51 EDT Subject: Sinister: Shyness is nice and shyness can stop you.... Message-ID: <866887dc.2477475f@aol.com> In a message dated 5/21/99 8:34:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, macarthur at btinternet.com writes: << ... i simply engineered it so we would be in the same place at the same time and got talking to them. But then crushboy turned into normalboringboy and i'm left without anyone to swoon over. Which is getting v.boring.. >> Isn't that invariably how it happens? I really hope I'm not the only one stuck in that cycle. If so, I'll be quite the lonely dribbling mess condemned to listen to Mogwai on repeat until 6 AM every day until the frog turns into the prince and climbs up through the shrubs into my window obscured by pathetic photos of Morrissey (who turns 40 tomorrow 8^O ! ) and other wonderfully sorry types to rescue me from utter dismay disguised as a clever interest in musical trivia and Dostoyevsky novels....or I could simply approach someone I like and tell them....no, that would be too difficult. *shrug* moon patroller carrie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.net Sat May 22 01:53:20 1999 From: rebelstrange at xxx.net (Lesley J Miller) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:53:20 -0700 Subject: Sinister: glad to be gay Message-ID: <000b01bea3ed$7da207a0$3711020a@rebelstrange> baby chris sputters the following: GOTHS ARE PRICKS - I honestly believe this - they thing that by waering black and loving the devil that they are being individuals - the hell they yeah but--i have to interject here and say, though i'm not a goth (kinda like vegetarians, i wish i was, but i have to admit i'm not), all goths do not worship satan. the ones who do--well that's the pseudo-goth marilyn manson (MANSON IS NOT FUCKING GOTH!!!) or the really scary ones, and woh cares about them. some goths are just cool. i mean black looks good on ANYONE. it's a fabulous and spiritual color--comforting even. black is not evil, it's lovely and absolute. and yeah--some of the goth chicks are just too cute witht heir fishnets and silver jewelry and black lipstick. *ahhhh* some wisdom from the blessed twee defender, ian, follows:: >i'll say nothing about isobel being covered in a thin coating of gelatin and put in a plastic container with a piece of cotton wool. --cor blimey, that's a good idea. you just supplied me with ample fantasy fodder for tonight's dream session. oh my dear god. that was funny. and furthermore, on my new romantics suggestion: >no, i don't think they're reactionary. the insistence on a melody shouldn't be labelled as reactionary. or if it is, only in the sense that writing books in a recognisable language is reactionary. although they don't widen the scope of what can be defined as "music", and they aren't pushing back generic barriers (which frankly is a load of bollocks anyway i think you're correct. at some point it must be repeated--hell, shakespeare knew it way back then--nothing new under the sun. you can package it differently, but essentially you got rhythm, harmoney and melody. without that, it's not really "music". i thought about this before, like why do we have chords and scales and 4-count measures? you can go to 5 or 11 or 19 counts, but ultimately--it's repetition and structure that makes music. you can make random noise, but that's been done before too. you can't really re-invent the wheel as they say. and for what it's worth--i'm a sentimental bastard. i could give a damn if it's innovative. a Francoise Hardy tune is nothing revolutionary, but it can still make me cry like a baby. because it's emotion distilled into a little capsule, purely. which reminds me== the girl who mentioned the book about music bein gthe highest art form-- that's exactly the way i believe in. music is so vast and open in its associations. music can make you think a picture, a story, a dance, an emotion. it's rare that a picture can bring forth music. as much as i love pictures. but i think music is something even more primal. i dont know much about the "newromantics" proper, i mean duran duran, i have no clue about that. which says something in itself. are people worshiping Spandau Ballet anymore really? that reminds me, was Ultravox a new romantic band? i dont' know. i was more referring to romanticism in art. but thank you ian for the lovely conversation, it's nice to discuss these things, and yes, vanish up our own arses. that's the one thing in life i'm really really good at. There is nothign revolutionary. people look for something new. there's nothign new. peopel still make the same mistakes they made back in 2000 B.C. or before that. this is my point on the millenium. (by the way, the millenium does not even happen technically*?* until 2001 so tell your friends to stop fucking going crazy already) we're at the point that we have all this history behind us to go over, and so much to learn from that has gone before us. the only revolutionary calamity that the millenium will bring is the challenge to put all this knowledge together into something that finally works better. y2k is a joke. computers are garbage. dont' let them run your life. there is no fucking explosion and no Antichrist(sic). BOYCOTT THE MILLENIUM!!! i'm serious. it's getting on my nerves big time. we have LIVES to live. there's more to it than all that. it's a total sham. yes and i'll have my anti-milennial manifesto published in the new york times very soon. and remember, US kids, to set your vcrs tonight for politically incorrect starring Jarvis "superman" Cocker. it should be really amusing. i suppose all you brits are sick of seeing him on TV, but here in america we dont' get much of that. i didn't knwo there were so many gay boys on sinister. (alright rainbow power y'all!!) where are the big lesbo dykes?? i know there are at least two of us. maybe we can start the lambda sinister union association of gay belle and sebastian fans. hahahahaa LATERS LJ http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange The boat that brings us here will crack beneath your weight. This is territory you cannot invade. "I'll go and play with words and pictures" SAVE MST3K!!!! http://www.mst3kinfo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From heinitz at xxx.uk Sat May 22 01:49:12 1999 From: heinitz at xxx.uk (angel) Date: Sat, 22 May 99 00:49:12 GMT Subject: Sinister: rabbits Message-ID: <990522004912.n0008230.heinitz@pop.clara.net> hiya everybody, i'm one of the offending lower-case shift key shirking shy telephobic types. but hey, that's just the way i am. one thing: to be *this* shy is not fun. i can't speak for anybody else, but i would give anything to be able to assert myself a bit more. i can't, and it's not affectation, it's something that's wrong with me and it's scary. honey, in his infinite wisdom, remarked: Can we just say that the Church of Sinister is like the Church of England, a broad church, but without the laughable costumes? aw, let us have laughable costumes, go on. i quite fancy a kind blue velour and silk catsuit/robe combination with added crinkly bits and a top hat for extra height. or a pointy hat, if you're a narrow wizard. on the subject of noise pollution, which someone was, but i can't remember who or be arsed to dig out the quote, my next-door neighbour is an old lady. every so often, thudding, bass-heavy techno (of the sort that we used to call "boom-boom bollocks", sulkily, when the buzzin' kids had taken charge of the sixth form common room stereo), comes pounding through the dividing walls. only when she's on her own, though. i think she must be honing her mixing skills to supplement her pension. DJ Vera in da HOUSE. i found a story on the wibblywobblyweb that caught my eye the other day. it's called "The Rabbits That Caused All The Trouble", and it's by James Thurber. i was immediately interested, because i have always had a sneaking suspicion that it is indeed rabbits who cause ALL the trouble, and not footballers/the government/satan. just you keep an eye on them, that's all i'm saying. they know more than they'd like you to think. sitting there with their twitchy noses, pretending they're not LISTENING TO EVERY WORD YOU SAY. and scheming. big eared little rodent hitlers. i can say no more, abi (who's glad the poetry parrot's out and about again. mondays just didn't feel right without a poem)x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Pinaplcrsh at xxx.com Sat May 22 02:34:06 1999 From: Pinaplcrsh at xxx.com (Pinaplcrsh at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:34:06 EDT Subject: Sinister: giving it my best try Message-ID: hi. i've been on this list for over a year now and i'm still terrified to post. i've always been afraid of what people are going to think of me because it seems to be really judgemental. everyone supports each other, but only if their posts are good. so i'm going to give it a try now. i'm expecting it to take a while, but i've got my lucky strikes and bottle of merlot here to help me. i hope my lower case letters don't bother you. the lovely lesley jo said this earlier, 'where are the big lesbo dykes?? i know there are at least two of us.' it made me happy as it was the first time i'd been mentioned on the list, even if it wasn't by name. so, i'm alyssa marie. i live in california. i'm obsessed with music, mostly pop. my favorite labels are subway and k. i really want to learn about old soul, funk, and underground hip-hop, but i don't know where to start. i've got a crushed heart right now. my amazing girlfriend broke up with me. i still fall in love with her a bit more every time i think of her. i'm feeling pretty secure though that we'll get back together eventually. it's not an obsessive thing, just a 'i know this is true love and we're meant to be together' thing. still, it's hard and i've been very sad. it's two weeks today. i can't let go of the lucy doll she got me at christmas. that was enough poor me for today. i'm thinking that maybe i should leave this as it is now. oh, one thing i want to mention for any of you that are in california. i'm trying to help pass a bill called ab222 that would offer protection to gay kids or kids who are perceived to be gay all through school. some of you have offered stories have harrassment today so maybe a couple of you might be willing to write a couple letters. you can e-mail me for information. c'mon, do it for the children. i hope that wasn't against list rules. so that will be my first real post. please be gentle with me. i tried. hope you're all well. take care. *alyssa marie* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". 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WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fatslug at xxx.com Sat May 22 08:50:44 1999 From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 00:50:44 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Re: White Horses Message-ID: hello folks, ian said: >has anyone here ever stuck a marble up their nose? yes, i thought i'd have to go to hospital to get it out again, but after about an hour i got it loose. this was a very long time ago. i once stuck bits of wire into a plug socket to see what would happen too. it went bang, burnt my fingers and temporarily blinded me. it's not an experience i'd recommend. funkyseb said: >a load of old shit sorry seb mate, but it was. hey i was on something called sos, but i think it must have been different to the thing that funkyseb was talking about. either that or he has been deliberately misled by someone. i know you're all sick of this already, but i'd just like to confirm that it was somewhere that honey spoke to a few friends from time to time. if it had ever been a place to monitor or discuss specific posts or listees, or some kind of inner circle running the list, then i would have been out of there in no time. sorry, you're all bored, i'll shut up. how come no one talks about Joan of Arse on this list? kevan *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah_drayton at xxx.com Sat May 22 05:08:06 1999 From: sarah_drayton at xxx.com (Sarah Drayton) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:08:06 PDT Subject: Sinister: feeling fed up Message-ID: <19990522040808.26878.qmail@hotmail.com> re; this is an email list about a band we all love. Can we all stop being so bloody precious as it is getting us no-where. I love B&S, and i reckon the rest of you do too. If anyone really has a problem, then unsubscribe. No one is making you stay, and if you have such a massive problem with all this, you won't mind. This is getting petty, and i'm getting bored. Belle and Sebastian. Just thought a few of you needed reminding.... sorry for my tone, cos, shit, i am fairly new...david I couldn't agree with you more, David. I'm tired of reading long and extremely dull posts about things that really don't matter. I joined this list because I am a Belle and Sebastian fan...I didn't want to read any of the petty nonsense/sinister politics etc that supposedly go along with this. Could we please just start posting amusing or interesting things, rather than long, rambling posts about who flamed who, who's spreading "nasty" rumours etc???? Some of you might have noticed that I've only posted a few times...well, this is due to the facts that a) I'm still relatively new to all of this and b) I have had nothing to say until this point. If I have offended any one then I am truly sorry. I would just like to, for once, belong to a list that didn't involve pettiness etc Thank you for listening Sarah D ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sburon at xxx.fr Sat May 22 11:56:33 1999 From: sburon at xxx.fr (Stephane) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:56:33 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Bowlie at Praz-sur-Arly Message-ID: <37468D5E.BF8BB496@club-internet.fr> Hi kids! It's been a long time, I know. I've carefully read many posts about sos, found them rather interesting and sometimes even funny or pretty or moving or whatever... Anyway, I wanted to write about something else. I'm currently listening to the Ladybug Transistor CD (which is really great, by the way), and it makes me think about Bowlie, of course. Thanks to Ailsa, we all know that there will be a Bowlie 2, in Camber... However, I've discovered a very nice place to organise a wee Bowlie 2 bis, 3, 4 or 134... in France!!! Yes! Last week, I went to a small village in Praz-sur-Arly for my job (dont ask me what my job consists in, please...). Most of you may know Albertville because of the winter Olympic games: well, Praz-sur-Arly is in the mountains, a few kilometers from Albertville. And there's a holiday camp there: with chalets like in Camber, with games and playgrounds, with a small venue, with green fields. There are even cows all around, with bells (bells, not belle) hanging at their neck!!! Seriously, it's a very nice place... I was so bored working there that I fancied a festival in this holiday camp. It's a long way from Glasgow, of course, but I'm sure Isobel would love this place. When I was a wee boy, I loved Belle et Sébastien on the telly and, if I remember well, it took place in the Alpes, too... Anyone has the phone number of the guy who runs Foundation? :-)))) Well, as you see, that's all I have to say... Now, you understand why I dont post very often :-))) Take care, we love you all Stephane PS and PM (which means personal messages for people I dont have the time to write to at the moment)= Meganelise, I miss your diary... Anna, I received your tape this morning, thanks a lot!!! -- http://www.chez.com/tweeclub +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From willy.robertson at xxx.com Sat May 22 12:19:23 1999 From: willy.robertson at xxx.com (william robertson) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 04:19:23 -0700 Subject: Sinister: I've been ripped off!!!! Message-ID: I paid 1.99 for the LLPJ >eps (bought 3, for friends), 1.99 for 3,6,9 (bought 3, for friends), and >MRS was a staggering 1.97 (bought 3, for friends) in Music Zone in >the all-new singing and dancing Trafford Centre. > > All the EP's cost me 4.49 and LL-PJ cost 4.99. Has any one paid more than this or am I the biggest mug on the list. Willy. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own free England E-mail address at http://www.england.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From willy.robertson at xxx.com Sat May 22 12:11:17 1999 From: willy.robertson at xxx.com (william robertson) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 04:11:17 -0700 Subject: Sinister: I've been ripped off! Message-ID: --- >From Willy On Thu, 20 May 1999 20:01:42 JJ wrote: >andrew dean wrote: >>(koogy looks in his records and sees that 'dog on wheels' was 2.99, >>'llpj' was 3.99, '3, 6, 9...' was 1.99 and 'MRS' was 3.49 > >Perhaps. I agree with Dog on Wheels, but I paid 1.99 for the LLPJ >eps (bought 3, for friends), 1.99 for 3,6,9 (bought 3, for friends), and >MRS was a staggering 1.97 (bought 3, for friends) in Music Zone in >the all-new singing and dancing Trafford Centre. > >I wish the bloke upstairs would turn his fucking music down. > >JJ >x > > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > __________________________________________________________________ Get your own free England E-mail address at http://www.england.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Sat May 22 12:55:08 1999 From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:55:08 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: SoS and B+S Message-ID: Hello folks I don't want to say much about this SoS situation, but I feel I have to say something. Elish wrote: > Funny how there have been all these posts about school yard >bullies....... Yeah, I was thinking the same myself. I don't think the people in this clique are bullies, but if you think of the list as a sort of school playground, they're the sorts that stand in the corner agreeing with each other. I was never bullied at school, although sometimes I think I was ignored, and the reason why it happens, and the reason why I think cliques are a bad thing, is that the more you listen to yourselves the less important other people become. Wasn't the whole point of the list that it's one of the few corners of the world where everyone really does have their say? There's been a lot of shouting here recently, and it's been hurting my ears, but like my mum used to say, "if you just ignore them , they'll go away." There's a boy standing on the bench over by the music room, who's turning his eyelids inside out, and making people look, but really I'm not interested. I don't have anything against anyone here, and I think Honey has a difficult job and does it well, but everyone has the opportunity to mail privately, and if Honey wants people's opinions I think he should do this instead of chalking out lines between us. I met FunkySeb briefly at the Bowlie, and he is a lovely chap (as were the rest of you), who looked a bit like Doctor Who. It's a shame he feels he has to leave, and I can understand why, but I'm just going to hold out. It's up to us to make the list good, not other people. Sorry for going on a bit. Now for some Belle and Sebastian related stuff: Someone mentioned that B + S might be playing the Greenbelt festival. If they do I'd recommend people go. I went to Greenbelt a few years ago and it was great fun. I spoke to lots of ace people, including a man with different coloured eyes, a boy who we think was a spy, a sad epileptic boy who was standing outside one of the tents because he couldn't watch the film inside with his friends, and a clown. I'm not a christian and that aspect didn't really bother me. I just enjoyed seeing all these different, exotic people. It's alcohol free, which I thought was quite refreshing, but if you really can't cope they do sell cointreau filled pancakes. Sports biscuits? How about the Club? Robin xxxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Sat May 22 13:54:20 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:54:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: White Horses Message-ID: Kevan said: > yes, i thought i'd have to go to hospital to get it > out again, but after about an hour i got it loose. > this was a very long time ago. I once got a coffee bean stuck up my nose while trying to impress my eight-year-old mates. It wasn't very pleasant ethier, i thought i was going to have to have a black bean stuck up my nose forever, and i'd look like an idiot and then i'd never get a snog. I wanted to post something a little more lighthearted considering recent events. Everyone remember their funny childhood stories and take a moment! Sinisters not dead yet, like Cher, we're strong enough! Erica x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Sat May 22 14:45:54 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:45:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: you all love it up the arse Message-ID: <80256779.004B9D59.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> If it's not hurting, it's not working, Susannah. I don't know what 'giving in your notice' really means. It's a stupid phrase. Maybe it dates from a time when all workers were chained to posts, with signs saying 'You don't have to be worthless scum to work here - but it helps!' affixed to their backs. To 'give in your notice' quite literally entailed casting off your shackles and handing in this crap notice to your supervisor. There's a great 'Sienfeld' episode in which George decides to quit his job, storms into his boss's office and tells him just what he thinks of him. He feels very proud of himself and tells Jerry all about it that evening. But then he realises that he has no skills or prospects at all and needs his job back. So he just turns up for work on Monday morning and acts like nothing ever happened. Maybe Seb will do this. No one has shown the remotest interest in amending those lyrics I posted. Either they are all perfect or else no one is interested in being as tedious as me. It's a tricky one to call. Nick xx >Also i resigned from my job last week. Just walked in and said 'stick it up your >arse you fat knobhead'. >Actually thats a lie I wrote a very polite letter that went something like this: >'Dear Boss, >I am notifying you of my resignation. I am leaving on the 18th June, and >therefore have given the required months notice.' >Yours etc. etc. >But what exactly are you meant to write? people talk about 'giving in their >notice' but whats meant to be in it? >Thing is, when I go, nobodys going to flippin' well notice anyway. >I walked out that day thinking ' yeah, yeah, I've done it, yeah, that showed >them! cunts!' but about fifteen minutes later it had spookily changed to >'ohmigod, what am I meant to do now?' +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From popjourno at xxx.nl Sat May 22 16:31:36 1999 From: popjourno at xxx.nl (alex tobin) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:31:36 +0200 Subject: Sinister: francoise hardy/jacques dutronc Message-ID: <3746CDD8.809677D7@tobin.demon.nl> Just a quickie here... I was wondering - as there are tons of compilations for both Francoise Hardy and Jacques Dutronc - if anyone out there could recommend a particular release or two to me for either one of them. And... erm... that's it. Have yourselves a fab weekend. Alex http://www.popjourno.com - a new small, but cosy mailing list dedicated to contemporary music, film, art, literature, and travel. please do join... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebeckas at xxx.com Sat May 22 17:31:28 1999 From: rebeckas at xxx.com (Rebecka popgirl) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 09:31:28 PDT Subject: Sinister: francoise hardy/jacques dutronc Message-ID: <19990522163128.15200.qmail@hotmail.com> Yes Alex I'm really a fan of francoise..and my advice for you is to by whatever comes in your way..she's fab. I love her music although I hardly understand anything she's singing:)Her voice has a wonderful inpact on you though..so alex like I said buy the whole lot!! huggles Rebecka aka Becka # go and have a peek at my page it's constantly developing, http://www.angelfire.com/me/Mizzy # ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mctag at xxx.com Sat May 22 19:02:20 1999 From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 18:02:20 GMT Subject: Sinister: I'm in with the in-crowd Message-ID: <3746e528.2292112@post.demon.co.uk> Dear Fun-loving criminals, Oh, you do make me laugh. These past few days of mass hysteria have had me rolling in the aisles at times. I have no comment to make other than that anyone who feels the need to apologise to Momus (who, after all, has never apologised to us for being a creepy little pervert) has no dignity whatsover. Also to tell you that SOS is in fact two lists, one for me and one for everyone else. I snear at all the crap posts and poke fun of oppressed minorities. I'm a twisted ball of bitterness, high on my own rampant ego. What's more I eat babies. That's the sort of twaddle that makes conspiracy theorists feel the delicious thrill of victimisation and I'd hate to disappoint them. You want the truth? You can't handle the truth. Actually, Trousers and Nick said it all already so let's talk about something less controversial, shall we? Francoise Hardy, eh? Lovely, lovely Francoise. What records to buy? Anything from 1962 to 1972, especially the late sixties stuff. And there's a Jacques Dutronc double CD called "Completement Dutronc", which is well worth shelling out for, cos about 3/4 of it is ace. The Wumpster just bought a UK girl singers compilation called "The Girl's Scene", which is pretty damn fantastic too. Once you've heard "You just gotta know my mind" by Dana Gillespie, you will never need you will want to grab the nearest person and make sweet sweet love with them. That's the effect it had on me anyway. I knew I shouldn't have taken my walkman to Asda's. Hohohoho. Have any of you visited the Roolz webpage? What can I say? It's a labour of love, and rightly so. I'm not flattered, because it's no less than we deserve. Finally, my new favourite joke, courtesy of Wardie: A teacher asks her class to use the word "contagious". Roland, the class swot, jumps up and says, "Last year I got the measles and mum said it was very contagious." Then Katie, a sweet little girl with pigtails, jumps up and says, "My grandma says there's a flu going round, and it's contagious." Finally, little Johnny jumps up and shouts, "Our next door neighbour's painting his house with a two-inch brush and my dad says it will take the contagious." Love tag x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LeEspiegle at xxx.com Sat May 22 19:03:24 1999 From: LeEspiegle at xxx.com (LeEspiegle at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:03:24 EDT Subject: Sinister: happy birthday morrissey. Message-ID: today is stephen patrick morrissey's birthday...the 40th... so everyone has to be nice. this is better than christmas for me. :) shy hugs... meganelise +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ooon at xxx.th Sat May 22 18:21:19 1999 From: ooon at xxx.th (oon) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 00:21:19 +0700 Subject: Sinister: group hug Message-ID: <3746E78E.5DF86686@samart.co.th> as one of those on 'the other list', i feel i need to put my hand on my heart and declare that what Trousers and Nick said about SOS is all TRUTH. i can't say it half as good so i won't. only that i agree with the dramatization bit in particular. i can only hope that, when the spell/or whatever brainwash technique he is under at the moment has worn off, he'll realize what is evil and what is not. our listmummy is sadly very ill right now. may i ask you all to say our little group prayer for his good health and wellbeing. and while we're at it, let's prayer for everyone on the list at the same time. cos i have a headache and some prayer sent in my direction would help. many hugs and love, oon xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From seilsd at xxx.net Sat May 22 19:55:12 1999 From: seilsd at xxx.net (Damon Seils) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:55:12 -0400 Subject: Sinister: porn sex ass hot teens Message-ID: <3746FD91.6B27CCA@earthlink.net> Hi, kids. I just got back from the laundromat. Certain people's insinuations about the SoS "problem" have made me feel a little bit dirty. Anyway, there were four whole loads of laundry just for me! The process was helped along nicely by an in-house stereo system that played such easy listening favorites as "Landslide" and "You Can Call Me Al." Oh, and there was Spanish-language television over in the corner. I have two important announcements... 1. Certain frequenters of the #sinister chat room have recently taken to speaking with a lisp, spontaneously, without discernable provocation. I highly recommend that you make arrangements to witness this phenomenon. It's funny. Really, it is. 2. I'm doing what I can to help MotherHoney collect links to Bowlie photos. Did you take photos at Bowlie? Have you put them online? Mail me privately, and we'll see about linking your photos to the Sinister site. If you just can't bring yourself to put them online, send them along to Honey (in JPEG format), and maybe she'll add them to the concerts page. If you have rude photos from Bowlie (and really, those are the best ones), you may be eligible for Mr. Peter Miller's Bowlie photo contest. See the archives for details. That's enough for now. I need to lie down. I just ate one of those new Wendy's cheddar lover's bacon cheeseburgers as a gift for myself after the big laundromat excursion. Urrrrrggghhhh... One of the greatest bullies of the century, Damon xo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From BrnToEnd at xxx.com Sat May 22 20:08:55 1999 From: BrnToEnd at xxx.com (BrnToEnd at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 15:08:55 EDT Subject: Sinister: The suns not yellow Its CHICKEN Message-ID: Hello Kiddies, First of all. I'd like to say i dont believe in this SOS list Rumor crap and If it is true I dont really care, I understand I couldn't controll a Community like this with a Bunch of bollocks and charlatans Aye. just had to voice my view Second. On friday night I was having my usuall meal at Chillies(Awsome Blosim,Chicken Crispers W/ cirlly Fries and a Dr.Pepper) when I was walking to The Bathroom to take a pish I saw my Crush and friend for 11 years with another guy and her grandparents which I remmber were Wankers. Anyways She stops me and says "HEYYYY DAMON HAVENT SEEN YOU IN YEARS" and I say "Heyyy What are you doing here?" cos She moved about 4 years ago and she grabs this guys hand and says "I'm getting married" then without going a bit pyscho I shaked the guys hand and he said "Ohhh Your Damon? Ya remmber me I was C.J." I just melted THE (PLEASE CLOSE YOUR EYES ALL YOU KIDDIES) FUCKIN CUNT!!! His one of thoese punters who gets life easy when their wankers. anyways I'll stop now on to the next Random thing. Please dont Repeat the Sassy words Wee Damon Just said Third. I was Looking at the mishearings on the Sinister mailing list webpage last night and NOT TO START ANOTHER THREAD OF THE SUBJECT OR ANYTHING but I thought I'd share mine. in seymour Stein I thought he said "Has he Ever Seen Gaundi?" You know The Indian Peace monk instead of "North of scotland has he seen Wont he hire a limosine". dont ask why Im Crazy. damned voices inside of my head. Oh ya More I feel like sharing in Judy and The Dream of Horses I thought it was "She went Under The Covers with her toys" and for like a Year I thought it was Mayflower not Mayfly. Ok I've gone on long enough. Thanks For Listening you get a Piece of Candy -Damon H. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkl206 at xxx.edu Sat May 22 20:47:51 1999 From: mkl206 at xxx.edu (Megan K Lehar) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 15:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: happy little bunny Message-ID: today has been all over for me. i read all these posts in one fell swoop so i went from furious to so pleased to a bit iffy. of course, when i read what funkyseb said, i was completely incensed. sos isn't a clique, it's a group of friends. the way i see it, the difference between a clique and a group of friends is that a clique won't let other people join. whereas on sinister, i feel like i've made friends from all phases of the list's existence. some of us know one another better, from having spent hours in chat couseling one another, meeting and walking home drunkenly arm in arm, meeting friends and lovers on the list. but if i was unwilling to make new friends on the list, i would have quit long ago. the way i see it, there are easier ways to find out straightforward news on belle and sebastian. a lot of people post things, but over my stay i've found that there are some posts i like a lot, adn some i don't. some of the posts i delete are poured over by my friends, which has made me respect this list immensely. the fact that there's such a readable output. in fact, the worst part of seb's post was when he said: >This second list is called SOS (save our sinister- clever eh?) and since >it's founding 5/6 months ago, the main list has become more and more >tired, more repetitive, and lacking > the drunken, cheeky swagger that made it so compelling in the first >place. Why? Well, because many of the people who used to contribute so >much to the real list have joined SOS, and stopped posting to the real >list. (I can think of only a couple of exceptions to this rule.) And I which sounded worse than anything else. it made it sound like certain people were good posters, and others were just dead weight, which is ridiculously. i want genevieve and matt and all the dozens of oter people who started out so tentatively to feel free to write there wonderful things without anyone else saying that what they post is wrong. i may disagree with what someone says, but i hope i never say that what you say is wrong. (ok, maybe redundant if it's like asking for tigermilk, but not *wrong*). at least i hope not. and i like to think we won't ever get to that point. like i said, i was really mad, but i continued reading. and when i read what owen wrote, a new list member who had the good sense to judge the list based on experience rather than heresay, i felt so much better. then elish and kimberly, two people i didn't know who were willing to sit and discuss rationally rather than let the thing fly into a flame war. there's another reason that i love the list. such lovely people, more willing to invite you in for a cup of tea than to stick their nose up and walk away. anyway, on to other things. when northy wrote: >little news article about Bowlie II is fronted by a photo of me and my two >friends! Yay! I'm the one in the Bowlie tshirt, my friend Paul is wearing i could only just imagine tag's joy. then susannah informed us: >Ewan McGregor fans watch out. You know you all thought he was a nice loving >family man? Bollocks to that. Apparently he's a real tart and gets off with >loads of girls. He had an affair with Anna Friel whilst filming Rogue Trader, >she was obsessed with him apparently, and I met this girl last Saturday whose >friend shagged him in the toilets of a film doo, and afterwards he wiped himself >on the curtain, zipped himself up and went out to meet his wife. And Gary so there's hope! i always wanted to be a groupie. xoxoxo megan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From PaperSun23 at xxx.com Sat May 22 20:49:13 1999 From: PaperSun23 at xxx.com (PaperSun23 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 15:49:13 EDT Subject: Sinister: you're the bees knees...but so am I Message-ID: <11304d9f.24786439@aol.com> < today is stephen patrick morrissey's birthday...the 40th... so everyone has to be nice. this is better than christmas for me. :) > my sentiments exactly! What a wonderful Morrissey birthday it is! hugs all around, moon patroller carrie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CMcQuain at xxx.org Sat May 22 20:24:46 1999 From: CMcQuain at xxx.org (McQuain, Chris) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:24:46 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Response to rebelstrange's message from a gayboy Message-ID: I saw the 'glad to be gay' message from rebelstrange on 5/21 and thought I'd drop a brief (?) line. I'm one of the gayboys who is in love with B&S (I find Stuart M. particularly crush-worthy, but they're all so beautiful and I listen to the Gentle Waves every single day), and I have a theory: This whole 'gay community' thing, aside from the political belief that we must have legal recourse to guarantee that we are not fired or denied housing or harassed or threatened, is for the fucking birds. I have gay friends, I have straight friends, but I don't care in the least about gay/straight and neither do they. Maybe it's different for the girls, but for the boys (I'm 23, so maybe I can only speak about the 20-something boys), there seems to be nothing but cheapness, tawdriness, anti-love, anti-feelings, false machismo, etc, in our 'scene'. Going to gaybars is sickeningly similar to going to a college fraternity house where everybody is interested only in preening, asserting their superiority, and drinking/fucking. It's like a bunch of typically heterofratboys allowed to go out of control, all the aggression and 'masculinity' entirely out of balance. Some ferocity and aggression have their place, in girls and in boys, but surely not without some value placed on love, affection, consideration and kindness? It's a sad day when the most visible and vocal parts of your local gay (male? again, I can only speak for my experience) community are intent on erasing their vulnerability, anything 'feminine', from themselves, and I believe that's the day we're living in, at least here in Portland (Oregon, USA). Belle & Sebastian, whether or not any of them are gay or straight (and I'm sure they're smart and sensitive enough to know that it hardly matters), have an undeniably genderless/sexless outlook, a sweetly androgynous worldview that asserts the bright light of its innocuousness out into the harsh, competitive, mean-spirited world. Belle & Sebastian and all the side groups emanate something so childlike and comforting, it's really a joy to listen to it and know that the 'little people' and the 'little things' aren't insignificant to everybody. I'm sure none of us are overly concerned with our genders or sexual orientations, accepting of all of them. The things that bind us are so much deeper and more beautiful than gender/sex, which are only issues because of the cruel and stupid people of the world, anyway. If it's a surprise to anybody that there are a lot of queer boys who are into Belle & Sebastian, I'd say it's nothing but the most pleasant kind of surprise, I'm sure there are throngs of us who aren't obsessed with the macho posturing or the bitchy competitiveness, who in fact need an antidote. I've decided that the next guy I date MUST be into Belle & Sebastian, I really believe it says a lot (not everything, of course, but maybe enough?) about a person. And now, softly to sleep.... -Chris +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tinystar at xxx.com Sat May 22 23:38:37 1999 From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 18:38:37 -0400 Subject: Sinister: can you believe that jessica has an opinion? Message-ID: <000001bea4a9$cd925460$671e05d1@oemcomputer> hi sinisterkids, things have been pretty heavy on this list lately, as is wont to happen from time to time. and i'm going to do what i've done since first subscribing - breathe through it and let it pass. i don't like to add fuel to the fire, as i know certain disagreements have no happy resolution and i see no need to be caught in malicious crossfire. anyone that has bothered to pay attention to me over the last two years or so will know that i run and hide whenever anything controversial comes up. and although this is a touchy subject, i want to stick up for the list publicly and say that i'm not trying to negate the feelings of anyone that feels sinister doesn't fit into their lives anymore. but i'd also like to say that some great things have happened to me because of this list, that i've met wonderful people here and had my heartstrings pulled by touching posts more than once. i like that this list is moderated, that someone is there to herd us in when we're running in traffic. i like the job honey has done and is doing. like all things in the world, this list runs in cycles of great and not-so-great, and although i can see that a change has happened i would also like to be idealistic and say that things will get better. and they will, i think, if people who would like to be nasty would either bugger off or else learn how to put things constructively and provocatively. mud slinging just makes everyone dirty. this is not to condemn those who feel it necessary to unsubscribe, whether temporarily or permanently, when things get bad. i've had to delete so darn many posts related to iain's silly comments that my delete finger is sore and i have wondered what has happened to everyone's love affair with sinister. the reason i stay is because i love hearing bits of other people's lives, not always belle and sebastian-related but always underwritten with the knowledge that there exists a commonality, and often underwritten with the need for an accepting community, which is the main purpose for this list, i think. whether or not this list is formally a belle and sebastian list doesn't distract from the fact that it's full of a whole bunch of nice people who, on the whole, are supportive of others' genuine efforts and take pleasure in little things. andrew skilton wrote: >interesting that, considering how long the rules for posting (cunningly and >somewhat misleadingly referred to as the "FAQ") are, they fail to mention >probably the singularly most important thing about the list - that we're all >being watched and commented on all of the time. i've got news for everyone (except andrew, i suppose, since he's unsubscribed in a fit of apparent impatience): if you think you could ever be on a list where list happenings are not discussed in some way or another outside of the list, you're veryvery mistaken and i wonder why you expect to be notified of every conversation or sub-group that's developed because of the main list. a natural progression of sinister is that groups of friends have developed, and if they've developed because of sinister then it's quite likely that they'll be discussing all of us at one point or another. or some of us, anyhow. it seems childish and naive to me to believe that everyone who talks about the list, even if it's honey or other "list elders" or whatever, would see fit to include everyone else. if that's what you really want, go to the newsgroup. but i bet it will even happen there. i've likely been overly redundant here, and perhaps offensive or patronizing. and i'm sure even boring to most of you. but it occurred to me that i've never really mentioned why this list is important to me, and this seemed like as good a time as any to bring it up. thanks for listening, jessicaxo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m (it's lovely being a girl) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Sun May 23 03:02:07 1999 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E Hamilton) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 22:02:07 -0400 Subject: Sinister: I like my life Message-ID: <000f01bea4c0$44066b20$f0404ace@woody> Hi my precious list, Firstly, I'd just like to say that indeed today was a glorious day, sun was shining brightly and I hacked around on the golf course, and the earth was a clay sculpture. But anyways, on to address several issues now pressing our list. --I think Honey has done a rather extraordinary job with this list, I love it, and enjoy it immensely. --I still believe Seb to be a rather superior individual, though I'm not sure that 'quitting' on us was the right thing to do. --Jessica's most recent declaration that we're all 'somewhat' discussed outside of the list disturbs me a bit. I was really living quite nicely in my fashionable state of naivete. I mean, I have a stove with which I boil bliss in a kettle for my cream of wheat, and a window that looks out on a field of ignorance across the road. I hope that nobody out there snickers with evil intent at me. I get enough of that here from bad people, therefore I hope the good people (you, yes you) would be kind enough to not....well, just don't let me know about it. In conclusion, I say we forget all this nonsensical nonsense and continue to be a list for B&S people talking about B&S and other related topics, well, use your good judgement my friends. And on a final note, Star Wars is great (ableit some annoying dialogue and kiddie elements), and you UK people have a long, long wait.....I'm terribly sorry. I think I'm going to bed love, blake -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- "Fuck!" - Jarvis Cocker +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Sat May 22 23:08:00 1999 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 00:08:00 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Have Me, I'm a Love Albatross! Message-ID: <01bea49f$8e21fce0$LocalHost@itjfvkli> SOS? Never heard of it mate. And the thought of a ruling clique without Sister Disco is frankly ridiculous, like a meal without cheese, or the World Trade Organisation without China. A list about a list? Pah! Next thing we know FunkySeb will be trying to convince us that there was even a short-lived list about the list about the list! If loving Paul is wrong, I don't want to be right. The only reason Paul runs the list is because he's got a FUCKING HUGE COMPUTER, so if we're going to start electing list owners, could all the people with FUCKING HUGE COMPUTERs please take one step forward? So that's that decided then, Paul runs the list. Good, I've always liked his style, firm but fair. Mess with Paul, you mess with Sister Disco. SO CLUNK-CLICK! Is it true that the Sinister "nursery" is really Paul's casting couch? This evening I finally got to see Mister Olazabal's civic reception. His smile roughly matched the inverse parabola of a deft chip out of the bunker. He's my kind of guy. I told him what's been going on on the list since the Brits "win" and he said if you don't start behaving yourselves he's going to come round and personally shove a nine iron up all of your arses, as a personal favour to me, Sister Disco. So be warned. "Sister Disco," he said in a Henry Cooper voice, brandishing his putter, "tell me who you think's behind this business, and I'll show them the meaning of a hole-in-one!" I said I'd think about it and phone him later. "I'll give them a double bogey they'll never forget!" he whispered menacingly. "I'll rake their bunker! I'll replace their divots!" he screamed, now plainly delerious. I withdrew to the study. I think FunkySeb's just trying to upstage the new "Star Wars" film premiere. Either that or he wants a recording contract with Jeepster. I used to post to the list even more often than I do nowadays, but it isn't because I spend all my time posting to SOS. Because I've never heard of it. It's because a) I'm busy b) I'm Strobe Talbot c) There are now 1100 people on the list and it's difiicult to justify telling them all about the films you've seen, unless there was a character in it who resembled a prominent listee. The other day I went to the pictures and it was a film and it was good and it was "West Beirut" and Stephen Trousers was in it, playing the part of a dog owner in a green jumper. Even FunkySeb's ill-tempered outburst could not spoil the pleasure of seeing Northy back on the list. Welcome back Northy! increase the peace, motherfuckers Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lonelyhighway at xxx.com Sun May 23 11:53:39 1999 From: lonelyhighway at xxx.com (Corpora Arenacea) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 03:53:39 PDT Subject: Sinister: Tonight, I think I'm gonna go downtown... Message-ID: <19990523105339.28828.qmail@hotmail.com> I realize this is all a bit sudden, but.... ummm... I'm going to be in London tonight, Sunday, the 23rd. I realize that it's Sunday right now. I was wondering if anyone wanted to meet up, even for a short while, for a drink or two. I could, uh, really use the company. Thanks...... -Eran _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lonelyhighway at xxx.com Sun May 23 11:55:42 1999 From: lonelyhighway at xxx.com (Corpora Arenacea) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 03:55:42 PDT Subject: Sinister: oh yeah Message-ID: <19990523105542.11689.qmail@hotmail.com> Oh... the number I'm at is 01782 271 864. And my name is pronounced 'Ay-ron', accent second syllable. Sorrrryyyy... -Eran _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Sarah.Wheeler at xxx.uk Sun May 23 12:24:38 1999 From: Sarah.Wheeler at xxx.uk (Sarah Wheeler) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:24:38 +0100 Subject: Sinister: You can call me Sheen Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990523122438.0069474c@pop-server.cent.gla.ac.uk> Hey there lovelies Did anyone read the letters on Teletext this weekend? I did. The Back Street Boys' new album seems to be topic of the week. Apparently they co-wrote four of the songs on it, which surprised me. I never thought they could be so talented. Also on the letters page, Rebecca wrote in to say that she doesn't admit to being a Bell End fan 'cos she has met the fans and they are dull and stupid. Well I made the stupid bit up 'cos I couldn't remember the second describing word, but you get the picture? She says that in this case the stereotyping is bang on. She's right*, and I'm moving to the Backstreet Boys mailing list pronto. Has anyone else tried Safeway's Minestrone Soup? Did it induce vomit in anyone else? I didn't learn my lesson though, and tried the Tuscan Bean variety. Not so much sick to clean up, but still, my sister wasn't best pleased at the state of her new bathroom carpet. So bang goes my healthy eating. Tonight I'm having four plate loads of macaroni cheese, each one to celebrate the song writing skills of BSB. Will I get into G2 tonight wearing trainers??? I am diabetic after all. Aaah, I'm going to go knit Honey a nice new cardie now. Well, if I can remember how to cast on. I wish I had one of those knitting machines that Kathy Beale (as she was known in those days) had. Then I could be really fancy. I would put little kittens and a bowl of rice pudding in the design. And maybe sinistereens gang-wanking. Into the rice pudding. While stroking the kittens. Umm......I'll see whoever's turning up next Saturday night for a night of Glasgow kissing. Loads of love Sheenee (used to be Sarah but there's a lot of us now) xx (*This really is a joke) ======================= Sarah Wheeler Room 106 West Medical Building University of Glasgow GLASGOW G12 8QQ 0141-339 8855 ext.0860/0640 ======================= +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mariannebratlie at xxx.com Sun May 23 12:57:44 1999 From: mariannebratlie at xxx.com (Marianne Bratlie) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 04:57:44 PDT Subject: Sinister: Re: White Horses Message-ID: <19990523115746.35488.qmail@hotmail.com> > > > > Talking of Camber Sands people have been squealing about tapes. I can >do a few > > (maybe five?) for people if they'd like. I'd be esp. pleased if in >return > > someone can give me a tape of 'Rhoda' or a non-Beat Patrol version of > > 'Loneliness of the Middle Distance Runner' but it doesn't matter if you >can't. > > Email me.... Yes! you must be a very nice man. ok, here is my offer: 1) Tigermilk (tape ) 2) 5 songs from a Paris gig in 98 (97?)(B & S) 3) Random songs from my "collection" . ......, a great way to get introduced to new music..? ok, I know you probable have tigermilk, and all the live recordings in the world... ..but this is all I have. (not meaning to make it sound like I`m not satisfied, I mean..tigermilk is everything.) ..please..? cheers from Marianne who hopefully waits to hear from you. ps:anyone who has live recordings of Belle and Sebastian..I`m very interested.., e-mail me.? +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ol01 at xxx.uk Sun May 23 13:04:40 1999 From: ol01 at xxx.uk (The Narrow Wizard) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:04:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: little Rosa Message-ID: Damon said THE (PLEASE CLOSE YOUR EYES ALL YOU KIDDIES) FUCKIN CUNT!!! He's one of those punters who gets life easy when they're wankers. (ermm I corrected the spelling and grammar...I think this is what damon was getting at) Must say that I too dislike these people, I was unfortunate enough to run into one the other day. I was visiting my friend Lesley...lending her some CD's 'cos she had a DJing audition the next day and then her boyfriend came round. I have never met such a cunt in my life! He refused to speak while I was there and just kept glaring at me, he only stopped doing this to occaisionally give accusatory looks to Lesley for having a guy in her room. Needless to say I left pretty quickly after that. Anyway as I was leaving Lesley said "Oh take this you've got to hear it" and she gave me a CD. When I got back I put the CD on 'cos I trust her taste in music (it was Lesley who gave me a copy of tigermilk when I first met her and I'd been going mad trying to get one) and I found a song on the album called Little Rosa which I thought was very Belle and Sebastionesque so I thought I'd let you all see the lyrics to see if you agree with me. little rosa was gonna shine. little rosa had a real bad time. she was not like anyone else. she never will. little rosa, the boys let her know that she's just not that way, she dont put on a show for nobody. not even you. she's gonna sit alone. why would you make her feel so small that she'd just dissappear? The albums by Letters to Cleo and it's called Wholesale Meats and Fish and I reccomend it 'cos the girl who sings has this really great voice and there's quite a few good songs on it. On the subject of recomendations I think you should all read "the wind-up-bird chronicle" by Haruki Murakami and "underworld" by Don DeLilo cos they are both really interesting and very very well written. Well thats all from me you can all breath a colective sigh of relief now. have a good one owen With that the narrow wizard waggled his bushy eyebrows and disappeared in a flash of blue flame leaving behind only a faint smell of cinnamon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rwjf1 at xxx.uk Sun May 23 01:20:26 1999 From: rwjf1 at xxx.uk (Robert Fisk) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 01:20:26 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: Sinister: Just who is in front of who in the Sinister queue? In-Reply-To: <000001bea4a9$cd925460$671e05d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hi giraffes and people, All this stuff about SOS list has got me wondering - why are Safeways doughnuts so shit compared to everywhere else. If I worked for a supermarket and was able to make dougnuts I'd make them the best in the world so everyone would travel for at least 6 minutes in order to buy them. I think that Tesco's make the best doughnuts with Sainsbury's a close second. If people are so pissed off about the 'superior Sinister list' then I would normally say 'that's life' - there is ALWAYS something better but I have just been to the Okacbasi Kebab shop for the first time in ages and those blokes must get SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hot in there. If people are pissed about the Sos list then someone should just form another list that comments on the Sos list. If people were able to do that then it stop the normal Sinister list from being clogged up with messages about Sos AND defeat the Sos list. Obviously someone would have to provide the anti-Sos list with a list of Sos members so no Sos spies infiltrated it. Are 'Godspeed You Black Emperor!' any good? Bands with names such as that are usually fantastic but I don't know. I think that I have heard a lot of their stuff before but I don't know. When I was a lot younger I used to write down the names of tracks I liked that I heard on John Peel. <--That was before I worked out that I would never find anything in the shops that I heard on his show. Oh yes, we are celebrating tonight as one of my friends bought a barmaid a drink. He has fancied her for absolutely ages and we finally got him to do it. Well, I think it was good. Okay so I haven't posted for ages but I MUST end with my belief that the best bit in Catatonia's 'Karaoke Queen' is when Cerys shouts/sings 'Matthew'! Robert ___________________________________________ Robert Fisk rwjf1 at ukc.ac.uk Rutherford JCC Comms Sticky Fanzine Editor +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Assistant Head of Music UKC Radio 999MW | | Office: 01227 823294 Studio: 01227 823301 Fax:01227 464625 | |Web: http://listen.to/UKCRadio/ E-mail:ukcr at ukc.ac.uk | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Don't forget to listen to the Albino Squirrel Show every Thursday 2-4pm on UKCR. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Sun May 23 04:44:26 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 04:44:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The hills are alive... Message-ID: <3747799A.5C042D33@student.paisley.ac.uk> Hello sweeties I want to have the next Bowlie in that place Stephane talked about. It sounds fab, I love hills and cows and scenery :) I'm not twee, i was brought up with all that and it's great :) I didn't like Camber much, I mean Bowlie and that was ace, but there was a big power station looming on the horizon and the sun came up the wrong way round and stuff. I can imagine Stephane's place to be something not unlike the Sound of Music, all lonely goatherds and small children skipping round in matching outfits made out of a magical big pair of curtains and all that stuff. It also makes me think of the Chalet School stories which I read as a child and thought were ace, before being despatched off to boarding school and finding out that it absolutely was not all super jolly-hockey-sticks fun and midnight feasts, oh no. I'm sure Aranxta can speak with much more eloquence about the chalet school stories than I can, somewhere in the dim and distant past she was very eloquent and enthusiastic about Mallory Towers and the twins at St Clares and the like :) The Chalet School was a bit like them, except set in a school in a chalet. In the Austrian Tyrol. Which has damn all to do with France, but anyway, it always seemed nice and I want Bowlie#2 to be there. I hate writing letters in the middle of the night, especially on a Saturday as I should be out partying like it's 1999. Oh, it is 1999. Well, like it's a bit of 1999 that I'm not doing all-nighters studying for exams then :) I have decided to learn French just so I can read Stephane's Tweeclub website as I really like the pictures on it and want to be able to read it. I will need a hobby anyway to while away the long hours of unemployment that this degree will no doubt provide me with, and a language seems like a good thing, even though my reasons are rather tenuous. Does anyone know what sort of job you *can* get after doing a conversion course to IT that doesn't really teach you much about anything, but bits about lots of things? Cos none of my lecturers do :) In fact, does anyone want to give me a job? Probably not as you all know I will do no work, merely sit at a computer all day and talk randomly about nothing in particular till all my colleagues want to kill me :) No I am hardworking and honest and reliable and stuff. Anyone? Something dawned on me earlier this evening. If, as seb said, the "list elite" are too busy judging us to post themselves, then why should that matter to anyone who thinks that they are an "elite"? Surely if they are just elitist tossers you wouldn't miss them anyway? And if Paul just wanted a place where he and selected chums could discuss what they wanted, why bother continuing Sinister for the rest of us? It's a hell of a big thing to maintain if it's just to give them something to laugh at :) I'm glad to see some semblance of normality descending again. Let's get back to being all the things we always have been without the need to question why, and who thinks we are or aren't good enough. I have noticed no drop in quality of the posts, and have never deleted a post without first reading it (except hoax virus warnings). I may not *agree* with them all, but I certainly am interested in everyone's point of view, and reserve the right to challenge that if I disagree strongly enough, same as I can agree with people or continue a thread. Isn't that the whole point of this list? I don't know how many times I will apologise for being "precious" about this list over the last week or so, but it's born out of passion and I defend it cos I don't want to lose it. Is that really such a bad thing? In the case of anything of this nature arising again, my post in that instance will probably just read "I agree whole-heartedly with what Nick Dastoor said". There, that saves us an awful lot of time, effort, reading and typing :) Well, not Nick obviously, but he *is* the one with too much time on his hands :) But enough of that nonsense. It's silly and dull and I can't be bothered. I have exams to study for and much as I have loved the opportunity to get on my high horse, garner a few list crush votes and increase my shag potential by being uber-twee and mimsy and precious over the last two weeks :), I think it's time to do some work and think of happy things like Bowlie#2. I won't get used to calling it "All Tomorrow's Parties" as that's a rubbish name. So was Bowlie, mind you, but at least that was rubbish and a mere two syllables. So who's going then? So we can warn the barstaff to get more beer in reserve...the girl behind the bar at the last one told me they ran out of beer as they had been told that we weren't likely to be beer drinkers and that they were well stocked with spirits and soft drinks in preparation for the expected onslaught of shandy-drinking nambly-pamblers. Come September 17th, I'll be wobbling tipsily on the table just to the left and up the stair when you come in the door of the Queen Vic. I'll see you all there, mine's a pint of Beamish Black :) Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris.jones at xxx.uk Sun May 23 10:16:48 1999 From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:16:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Thank you for being shy Message-ID: <199905230916.KAA14893@smtp.saqnet.co.uk> I couldn't believe the response I got to my post about shyness. It is really nice to know that there are many others just like me. Some of the advice was great, so I'll be using it next week. Thanks a lot, Yours bashfully, Chris Jones. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mariannebratlie at xxx.com Sun May 23 14:50:19 1999 From: mariannebratlie at xxx.com (Marianne Bratlie) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 06:50:19 PDT Subject: Sinister: tapes and aeroplanes Message-ID: <19990523135020.44999.qmail@hotmail.com> hi.. Today i found an add in the paper, with a great glasgow aerop.-ticket offer, really cheap, and I`m planning to go with some of my friends. The reason why I`m mailing you, is to ask if there is something special going on in the period 28.6-15.8..? Any future belle gigs etc?(so I can decide when it`s best to go..) Another question, does anyone have any live gigs on tape that I can copy? (B&S) They sent a recording from a gig in Paris on the radio here at the 16th, I made earth and heaven move to get someone to tape it for me, since 17th is our national day, and we all go out partying the 16th to celebrate..none of my friends or I were home to tape it. I finally got my parents to do it, after explaining carefully how to, and when I came home at night, the 16th, merry and so ready for b and S, it turned out that at just this particular day, the show started one hour earlyer than usual... But at least I got 4-5 songs, only missed one hour..(this last sentence is expressed with some bitterness..) So, I hope some of you feel a bit sorry for me, and e-mail me to say "yes, I will sent you a copy of the....gig..in.. with belle and sebastian" I can send you something in return, for instance 4-5 songs from a gig in Paris.........he... he ...or, tigermilk, or something else... Cheers, Marianne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Sun May 23 15:07:17 1999 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:07:17 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Here Comes The Weekend Message-ID: <199905231007_MC2-76B1-9F25@compuserve.com> Hi Fluffy Bunnies, Great silflay weather in the garden today. Another reason to like weekends (particularly this one) is that I only have to read one digest a day, unlike Black Friday when I had to read five. I apologise to the listmeister for posting about the list, which is of course forbidden in the listroolz, but I just have to say that Honey is my hero, because anyone who can tend the Sinister garden as well as he does despite all the different styles, seasons, horticultural theories and the GM pollen blowing in from the International corporation next door IS a hero. How he does this despite his poor health is an amazement to me: I know if I tried to do it, firstly my equipment wouldn't measure up to the job :) , and secondly I couldn't do it on my own, & I'd probably have to enlist the opinion of a few of my trusted mates in order to sound out opinion & test a few of my feelings out on them. If I am under the weather I generally value external validation of my decisions 'cos my self confidence can get low also. I know that it would be an unrealistic expectation for all in the Sinister garden to always be sunny & pretty, but I trust all those who have deliberately danced for the storm clouds are thoroughly ashamed of themselves if they have in any way caused someone very important to us all to have become iller than they need to be. Since the late lamented demise of the jeepsterlist there is only one mailing list for us B&S loving guys'n'gals, so can we please look after it? Sort of B&S related (via the Bowlie): Mercury Rev are doing a J Peel (that bloke who keeps being mistaken for me) session on Tuesday & the Delgados are also, on Wednesday. Any Jeepster people reading this please cover your ears now: I was listening to a tape of B&S' Bowlie gig recently, and before Photo Jenny Isobel has severe technical problems (the strap comes off her bass) and Stuart M makes mention of it (the strap). Some wag in the audience then calls out "Is that an Arab Strap?" & he replies "No, just a normal one". Witty repartee as well as fantastic music & a thrilling atmosphere. I would of course be willing to part with cash for any official release, album or video (in case you're listening anyway :) ) A prize to anyone who tells me the catalogue number of the record my subject was on :) Yours waggily, Keep the peace, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordi-tv at xxx.com Sun May 23 13:33:13 1999 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:33:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: "It´s childish and it´s silly / but I think it´s you, in my room by the bed..." Message-ID: <19990523163313.HM.0000000000130da@mixmail.com> Hi: I�m listening now to "Late night, Maudlin Street" the best song that Morrissey has ever made since The Smiths disbanded. I forgot to post yesterday about his birthday. We should help him now that he�s going to lose all (?) of his money. My post from the last friday was maybe too dramatic, as I was having an awful headache. Now I feel better. Luckily, we had the great genius of mr Pedro Jos� Miller for stopping this topic at the right point. He seemed to be a bit angry because he was left outside the SOS, and maybe he�s preparing a "coup d�etat" (is it the right expression ?) for beating Paul. I wouldn�t sleep in peace if I was you, "mummy"... I�m making (again) a desperate request for a tape of the Bowlie gig. The NY gig is my best offer to trade. Love ================================================== Jordiet Sinistre ================================================== Tu E-Mail Gratis en http://www.mixmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From u02nim at xxx.uk Sun May 23 20:49:09 1999 From: u02nim at xxx.uk (Iain McGilp) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 15:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Elvis Impersonators, Nuns and Bibi Netanyahu... (or "I'm in Jimmy's Gang!") Message-ID: Hey pop-kids... Straying away from the central topics of the day (mainly the alleged existence of some sort of Sinister (that's sinister with a large "S"; I'm staying out of this argument) higher power), I find myself reading that Marianne is planning to take advantage of a cheap-flights- to-Glasgow offer. Innocuous though this may seem, I beleive that I must point out (in a cautionary tone) that this arrangement will undoubtedly involve Glasgow Prestwick airport; which is more than likely some sort of trans-dimensional wormhole to a much more surreal world than our own. Having worked in the cafe of this once great international stopping point I have witnessed the full horrors contained therein, which I have attmepted to catalogue: 1) Prestwick airport is the site of Elvis Presley's only visit to the United Kingdom. Hence, during the summer months it becomes a mecca for Elvis impersonators, who arrive in their bus-loads. Its fairly disconcerting selling chip butties to 50 year old businessmen in rhinestone jumpsuits. 2) For those of you of an ecumenical bent, Prestwick airport offers cheap flights to Lourdes. These were originally operated by Sabre Airways, a Romanian company who utilised decommissioned military aircraft. 3) Prestwick Airport is a frequent stopover for members of the Israeli airforce, and on at least one occaision, Benjamin Netanyahu, who was in the U.K. in his official capacity as a bumbling oaf bent on causing full scale war in the West Bank. A member of the catering staff who will remain nameless came within seconds of serving him a bacon sandwich. 4) The head barman is best friends with The Krankies (N.B.: The Krankies- Truly terrifying Scottish children's entertainers. Involves a middle-aged woman dressed as a schoolboy. Nearly as scary as the Singing Kettle.), who often nip in to visit, being as they are based in nearby Ayr. 5) The manager of the catering division (who bears a striking resemblance to the late Larry "Shut that door!" Grayson) was threatened with court action by a choking customer who he accused of having "a very narrow throat". 6) The Airport Security was once told off by the police for calling out the bomb squad on two occaisions in a week to "De-fuse" suspect packages which respectively turned out to be a sleeping tramp and a briefcase full of Dutch porno, including a nice line in corprophilia. 7) Prestwick airport is surely the only place in the world where a member of staff has been run over by a light aircraft. He probably shouldn't have been carrying a tray of sandwiches and a bucket of ice-cubes down the secondary runway. Disturbingly enough, there is a slight twang of B&S relevance in this note, in that I first heard the band when a very cute baggage handler (Prestwick's baggage handlers used to have to be able to sing, dance or play a musical instrument, in order to entertain weary travellers as they went through the routine asscoiated with international air travel. For the record the aforementioned girl played the clarinet and was a ballet dancer) put Tigermilk on the stereo in the dishwashing room. Ever since then I've associated B&S with the hiss of steam and the clatter of cutlery. (I didn't mention the odour of stale food, cos that's not a very favourable comparison.) Peace 'n' love 'n' sparkling clean dishes, Iain McG. P.S. Has anyone heard anything about Glasgow's longest day festival this summer (i.e. is it taking place)? ---------------------- Iain McGilp u02nim at abdn.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pamelab at xxx.com Sun May 23 16:51:44 1999 From: pamelab at xxx.com (pamela berry) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 16:51:44 +0100 Subject: Sinister: for this bank holiday weekend london picnic hobby you will need... Message-ID: <37482410.A026DC2B@mcmail.com> hi everyone! sister miller said: [There are now 1100 people on the list and it's difficult to justify telling them all about the films you've seen, unless there was a character in it who resembled a prominent listee.] seen "the odessa file"? I just watched it on tv a coupla weeks ago. it was on in the middle of the night, possibly adding unnecessary spooky effect to the fact that john voigt's lovable rogue spyguy character is named peter miller. I can't get my head around it, in my sexy dream about mr. miller just days before that, he wasn't a blonde at all. not a natural one, I mean. the following message probably won't mean beans to people very far away from london, for that I apologize, delete at will! the next uk bank holiday draws ever closer, and as no one has put in a suggestion for the next london picnic, mike and I would like to entreat the picnic powers that be to make it happen in lovely greenwich on sunday, one week from today! my first sinister picnic ever after I moved here was in greenwich, and lovely it was indeed. ooooooon was there! if she can get to greenwich from thailand, it can't be so much trouble for everyone else, right? there's an antique/junk/cd market on sunday afternoons and greenwich has a picnic-ready ginormous park. MARVEL at the view over the thames! CURSE the butt-ugliness of the millennium dome in the distance! THRILL at the ability to stand astride the meridian with one foot in either hemisphere! LAZE AROUND drinking and chowing and napping and yapping safe in the knowledge that if it starts pissing down rain everyone can come to our flat nearby for fruity cocktails! roving mr. whippy trucks? got 'em. pubs? got 'em, lots of them. anyway, greenwich is only 12 minutes by rail from london bridge, 16 from charing cross, let's meet at the greenwich station at 2pm-ish on sunday, what do you say? everybody but everybody is welcome, please do come, even if you've never met fellow sinisterinos, and bring friends and neighbors. but not our neighbors, they're still mad at us for the last, er, quiet gathering we had. drop me a line privately or see the meeting board at http://www.belleandsebastian.co.uk/cgi-bin/mboard/belle/thread.cgi?212,0 for more details! at the risk of sounding (more like) like a dorkwad walking sandwich board for the greenwich tourist office, this friday I've set up a show at the church hall behind st. alfege's, greenwich town center. I mention it here because in addition to the windmills and jasmine minks, some sinisterines will be taking the stage, including one of paul's new young things in the sinister nursery! you might have seen him playing with sir trousers at the betsey trotwood do. there's no license to sell that demon alcohol at the church hall I'm afraid, so it's bring your own bottle. be it weak lemonade or coldest beer, I quite like the idea of seeing a bunch of biscuit-nibblers stumbling around and drinking out of brown paper bags. almost as much as I enjoyed walking by the "cats" theatre in covent garden a couple of weeks ago to be greeted by the sight of a couple of clowns passed out cold in the lobby, orange and green wigs askew, lobby guy trying desperately to get them out of there before the show. aren't clowns just the best? anyway, more church show info on the meeting board at http://www.belleandsebastian.co.uk/cgi-bin/mboard/belle/thread.cgi?213,0 susannah said: [Escort girls, right, do they actually have to have sex? or is it just taking old men to the opera and listening to them moaning about their wives? Thing is you get loads more money if you actually 'do' it, so if you take them out, and they turn out to be 'alright' then why not?] at the risk of sending some members of this list spiralling into a black hole of fantasy and wishful thinking from which there is little chance of return, may I suggest susannah that before you jump into the escort game you consider becoming a dominatrix instead? there are apparently boatloads of moulah to be had, you can be the boss (and how), there's no pesky conservative business lunch attire, and no actual doing it. e-bay habits such as yours around the world have probably been subsidized this way. thanks for that image of ewan mcgregor and the wiping and the curtains in the toilet, that picture will stick (ho!) probably as long as the scarring harvey williams image from fluffy sarah a while back. speaking of the harvey, I'm with lucy, harvey was good the other night, and I think his new album's ace. xopam +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah at xxx.uk Sun May 23 17:00:24 1999 From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:00:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the uk will lose at eurovision. and i will be glad. the song is awful. In-Reply-To: <01bea49f$8e21fce0$LocalHost@itjfvkli> References: <01bea49f$8e21fce0$LocalHost@itjfvkli> Message-ID: Hello, >could all the people with >FUCKING HUGE COMPUTERs please take one step forward? So that's that >decided then, Paul runs the list. AAAH! But AHHHH! NO! I have a fucking huge computer too! It was built in 1954, and with extra add-ons that SOUP IT UP a lot, you can play a slow and jerky version of "pong" on it. So AAAAAH! I can run the list too on my FUCKING HUGE COMPUTER! It takes up a room don't you all know. I sleep next to the floppy drive. Its...exciting. Learning Spanish? Why not learn it with Birbeck College London in asociation with the Spanish equivalent of Birbeck College London! Ah the excitement of "1995, el año de la tolerancia". The sheer joy of learning lots of notes about books written by García Marquez. I asked my Spanish teacher about Pedro Juan(k) Guíterrez and she doesn't know of him. She said she would look into his books, I'm sure she'd like all the talk and the dirt and the filth cos she's a Guardian reader. Very liberal. In fact my Spanish teacher almost defines the typical Guardian reader. But enough of that cos none of YOU know her. You're not cool enough. I'm not posting so much cos I'm posting to "alt.my.spanish. teacher.newsgroup." or something. FunkySeb talked a load of bollocks in his last post. I won't respond to any facts that he claimed simply because there were barely any "facts" in it all. I think I'll make up some FunkyFacts. FunkyFact One! FunkySebastian is actually a FUCKING HUGE COMPUTER in himself, which creates lots of funk groups who want to recreate the large-haired days of disco. The computer became jealous of Honeys FHC (as it will know be called) and decided it would create a funk group to TAKE SINISTER DOWN. This funky group went wrong, and was called "Shed Seven". They aimed to destory Sinister by making such dull tunes that anyone with a half decent taste in music would run away to country with no FHC acess. Like France. Or America. Aaaaaah, don't you SEE? However, most of the people on Sinister heard a "Shed Seven" record, said "oh, this is rather dull", and got on with their lives. Plan One failed. But however, Stardust got a number one H!I!T! with Music Sounds Better With You. FunkyFact Two! I'll think of one later. If I can be bothered. I'm sure this could be a long running joke. Someone kill it before it starts. Beeeeepster. I wonder where FunkySeb got some of his facts from. Hmm. I do wonder. I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!! Sarah +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jimgrund at xxx.fr Sun May 23 17:43:49 1999 From: jimgrund at xxx.fr (Jan Imgrund) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 18:43:49 +0200 Subject: Sinister: golf, goths and hermann In-Reply-To: <199905230916.KAA14893@smtp.saqnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <199905231644.SAA09650@front3.grolier.fr> hi list. For years and years I watched the mails on the sinister list floating by, telling myself that I'll send in one myself once I'd have something interesting, clever or funny to say. The result of this was silence. But I want to post! So I'll just ramble along in my rusty english that squeals like a dog on unoiled wheels. Hey, 2 golf-related posts in one day! Way cool. But I don't believe that Olazabal smiled. That would be like Stuart smashing a guitar in the midst of a show. oops. anyway, that's too bad for me... a wonderful warm and sunny Sunday, and I am 500 km away from my golf clubs, sitting here, writing frightening verse to some pale mailing list in England... Morrissey's 40th! Happy birthday, mozzer! Please smile for once. that reminded me... in all my time on the list, no one congratulated to the birthday of one of our 8 little heroes. How come? Is the information barrier so high that not even the BIRTHDAYs of the belles and sebastians can jump over it?? Enough material for a conspiracy theory, I believe. Someone asked about Hermann Hesse. In my opinion he's boring, but strangely he's got something like a cult status for lots of people. He's written one very good book though, and that's "Der Steppenwolf". It's about drugs, genius, literature and death, and a little bit about sex. So you could say it's like Timothy Leary (for the drugs) and the Bible (for the rest), only much shorter. If you're interested in Bhouddism and slow-falling leaves, you can read "Siddharta". yawn Don't read "Das Glasperlenspiel" ("the glass-pearl game"??). No, please, don't do it. aaargh! >> some of the goth chicks are just too cute witht heir fishnets and silver jewelry and black lipstick. *ahhhh* << aah, I have to agree. I love all this black and the velvet and the make-up... I'd like to be a goth myself, I would, there's only one tiny problem, and that's the music. I can't stand it, not even in an effort to get to know one of those heavenly goth creatures. But listening to boring synthie-pop with monotonous singing about death and devils... what's more, I went to a Nick Cave concert once (he seems to be the only artist who's somewhat goth and still very very good, or maybe his talent is only proof that he isn't goth ;), and all those goth people were happily chatting with each other and even occasionally LAUGHING! can you imagine that? They're not even taking their own underground culture seriously! Who else could fulfill the noble task of melancholy, if not them? I was disappointed. ummmmm.. wasn't there another big discussion on the list I wanted to contribute to... let me see.... oh yeah I've got it: there's also Dr.-Pepper-chewing gum, isn't there? J at n The Dark Site of the Moon: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/index.html "Nobody ever listens to anyone else, and if you try for a while you'll see why" - Mignon McLaughlin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SKittlgurl at xxx.com Sun May 23 18:47:42 1999 From: SKittlgurl at xxx.com (SKittlgurl at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:47:42 EDT Subject: Sinister: golf, goths and hermann Message-ID: um. something about this im going to say now. goths, most of the time, are very overrated...and most of the other time, underrated. and some people would like to think "oh, theyre satanic"...."theyre losers" but the fact is that a lot of goths are very very smart...its just that they like to look a certain way and listen to a certain kind of music... i dunno. i tend to always defend goths. maybe because i relate to them the most. or whatever. but the people who give goths a bad name is those to "pretend" to be gothic, and make fools out of themselves acting in strange uncertain ways. yawn. next subject. someone, i don't remember who, was looking for some book recommendations. this is what i have. if youre looking for a mystery kind of book try Nevermore by William Hjotsberg or And the Sea Will Tell (true story) by Vincent Bugliosi. if youre looking for a self destructive book try Jernigan by David Gates. if youre looking for a passionate...uh.. a story of love and friendship, try Eden Close by Anita Shreve or The Arrowing of the Cane by John Conyngham. yeah. that's all. and im reading a story now of loss and mourning..(from what i have read so far) called The God of Small Things by Arundhati Roy. and im enjoying it very much. reading that novel is like a twisted form of meditation. dont ask. its perfect in my head. one more thing. that thing about being shy. im very very very shy as well. not on the pooter as much, but in real life, in front of people i dont know (unless im intoxicated). yeah. and because im shy, i say certain things at random and...whatever. but if youre looking to impress a shy girl (which you shouldnt do, just be yourself), people who are relatively shy don't really go with the mainstream (in my opinion, if you disagree, dont damn me), so do something creative to get their attention or something. i tend to worship from afar. and i think i always will. thats all. advice from someone with no experience. wonderful, eh? faeriebelle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From craigrm at xxx.uk Sun May 23 18:57:35 1999 From: craigrm at xxx.uk (craigm) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 18:57:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Idle ramblings direct to your mailbox Message-ID: <002a01bea545$be149920$3ad593c3@cm> Greetings Happy Citizens of Sinisterland, It's Sunday night (in the UK @ least) and I've figured it's probably about time for me to try sending message to you all. Yep I'm another newbie breaking the ice so sorry if this isn't the most exciting mail ever composed - broadcasting to 1100 people is kinda nerve-wracking. Anyway I guess I should quickly explain how I happened to end up here. To be honest it's all down to Select magazine, I used to be a regular reader but got a little disenchanted when the mag seemed to become the unofficial fanzine for the Oasis & Verve fanclubs, both of which never really did anything for me so I stopped buying it. Then one day I was in my friendly neighbourhood Virgin Megastore and noticed "Belle and Sebastian" scrawled over the cover... and the rest just happened. I've been into B&S ever since I heard a few songs played on Marks & Lard's now sadly defunct evening show and they were a revelation compared to most over musicI was listening to at that time. Judging from a few mails that I've seen the Mark & Lard link is a common one, I think they should both be made honoury Sinisterites in recognition of their services to B&S-ness. So here I am on Sunday night........ there's always been something slightly strange about the weekend ending. I can always remember that as a child the game playing/bike riding etc always took on an extra sense of urgency just before tea time on a Sunday, possibly because we knew that once we went inside and had tea the weekend was officially over and all we had to look forward to is school the following day. I don't think it's quite as obvious now that I'm working as the demarcation between weekday=work and weekend=play isn't quite so strong. Hmmmmm I hope people know what I'm talking about, I sometimes don't words things very elegantly. Ok time to go, thanks for reading and apologies is any of the above has left you scratching your heads and wondering "what in the name of Jimminy Cricket is he on about". Cheers for letting me join the family and congratulations on being clever, funny, serious and interesting all at the same time.I've only been here a month or so but have loved every minute. I can't promise and startling B&S news or opinions as much of what I'd want to say has probably already been talked about squillions of times but if I ever see Stuart M & Isobel C changing a flat tire on a large truck marked "Advance copies of Tigermilk and other everso secret B&S stuff" on a sliproad off the M40 you all will be the first to hear about it !. Take care everyone and have a groovy week. Craig xo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From TheeXVirus at xxx.com Sun May 23 19:03:16 1999 From: TheeXVirus at xxx.com (TheeXVirus at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:03:16 EDT Subject: Sinister: looper article Message-ID: i've noticed people always reporting on belle and sebastian/related articles and things like that so...in some really expensive magazine at borders with a name something like future music (maybe that's it) there's a two page looper profile. and the cd with it has a song but i forgot which one. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rod at xxx.com Sun May 23 19:05:47 1999 From: rod at xxx.com (Rod Begbie) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:05:47 -0400 Subject: Sinister: when worlds colllllllide Message-ID: crikey -- in the space of a week, the jeepster b&s list shuts (after just over 200 posts -- an archive *could* be made available if you're suffering from insomnia, or lack of spam), a newsgroup mysteriously appears, and the fourteen "sinister" lists that honey was running all find out that he's two-timing them. still, it's all about the music, eh, chums? To whoever it was who was worried about being shy around girls: The answer is to drink beer, and plenty of it. There's nothing the chicks dig more than someone who staggers across to them, drools in their ear, mutters incoherently in their ear and stares down their cleavage. If you have a fish supper in your hand, it works even better. Try it next time you're at the bus stop -- Works for me! heard a good joke about the pope dying and going to heaven. It's a bit long, so here's the punchline: "There was an R missing -- It was meant to say CELEBRATE". radio rodddd: http://the-sweeney.dynip.com/ I am now all MP3ed out -- thanks to those of you who offered the contents of their harddrives. Wrong Love/Girl is now my favourite B&S track in the world EVER! luv, funkyROD!!! -- Rod Begbie -- rod at begbie.com -- http://www.begbie.com Turned on my radio tonight, And I was overwhelmed with shite, I got so low I couldn't fight. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Sun May 23 17:25:18 1999 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 17:25:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: scary noises and the longest day In-Reply-To: References: <000001bea4a9$cd925460$671e05d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990523172518.0079dba0@mail.u-net.com> Robert Fisk wrote: >Are 'Godspeed You Black Emperor!' any good? Dammit yes. Hard to describe really but here goes. Finding a frame of reference is the difficult bit. Anyway. Imagine Mogwai, sort of, except there's about 14 of them, and not just guitars, there's cellos and god knows what else. Scary men talking, train noises, it's pretty atmospheric really and then suddenly they ROCK AND IT ALL GOES POWERFUL dyamics and woosh. Soundscapes, possibly. Sandy said their performance at Bowlie was "like having sex with the planets". And he should know. You can't really sing along to it, and you shouldn't try either. Start with the album, the one called F#! or something, that's the best one, they've also got that mini album called Slow Riot For New Zero Kanada. But titles aren't important. The Longest Day. I haven't seen anything yet about anything happening, except Snow Patrol and some other people are playing a gig at the Maryhill Community Centre some time during the West End Fest. No mention of any Kelvingrove larks yet, though. There is a website: http://www.westendfest.demon.co.uk/ And it lists lots of other things which we could all be doing. JJ xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From popjourno at xxx.nl Sun May 23 14:38:10 1999 From: popjourno at xxx.nl (alex tobin) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 15:38:10 +0200 Subject: Sinister: return to sender? Message-ID: <374804C1.43F8F44@tobin.demon.nl> After sitting here for quite a while now, mostly shaking my head in disbelief as some people find it appropriate to tear each other apart, I just want to say one or two things as well. What the hell, eh? Everyone has an opinion... Just please keep in mind that I am now only speaking for myself. I love music. It makes me feel good. Sometimes it makes me yearn for days long-gone. Sometimes it evokes old and painful memories, and my mood evolves into a state of minor melancholy or pure kitschy sentimentality. But music is good. It is powerful. I love Belle and Sebastian's music. As with many people on this list, B&S often remind me of sunny afternoons - often reproduced a bit in the late 90s at Sinister picnics or by Tim Hopkins-lookalikes at Bowlie's bars - when things seemed just a bit less complicated and drab. Belle and Sebastian are anything but chart-breakers here in Holland. Most people listen to completely different music; some of them have taste (in my eyes), some of them don't. Surely it can't be a coincidence that the Vengaboys are from Holland. I have many friends who listen to - shall we call it this? - 'crap' music. I still love them dearly. I indulge their poor taste and have found myself at parties and gatherings serenaded by the bloody Spice Girls. Alright, so shit happens... They're still my friends. Even if I don't repect their personal, individual taste, I still respect them as a person. We on this list - at least most of us - like B&S music. Otherwise we probably wouldn't have joined up in the first place, regardless of what things mutate into. But Christ! - Grow up, some of you! There is more to life than music. I often find myself lurking here when talk is of bands I have never heard of, much less never will. Sometimes it makes me feel stupid; sometimes I couldn't care less. Sometimes - in hours of need - music plays a bigger role in my life; sometimes I've had it with music altogether. I wasn't able to come to Bowlie, but was still more than happy to hear that other people had a lovely time. I have just started my own mailing list (http://www.popjourno.com). I'm not doing this to start arguments with people. I'm not doing this for me wgo, to be an all powerfull list mummy. I'm doing it because I feel passionate about certain things, and I would love to share my experiences with other people who might think similarly. I might not agree with someone's tastes. I might not like certain people. When Paul set up Sinister, I doubt very much that he wanted it to turn into a battleground for certain people's unchangeable viewpoints. I can't speak for him, but I am certain that he also wanted to provide a forum for people to come together, get to know one another, and share good and bad times in their lives, with - as a common point - appreciation of a certain type of music. Well, I'm rambling, but what I want to say is that Sinister is much like TV. If you don't like the channel, switch it. Unsubscribe. Do whatever you have to do. Whatver makes you feel better. I won't blame you for it. It's your choice. But - please, can we just act like adults, which most of us are? I mean, I could sit here, spouting off about how I saw Morrissey at a gig a while back, and he was fat and bald. What's the point? Am I going to deny other people's memories and fondness of a particular artist or deride their own viewpoint? A while back, due to my extreme shyness, I often found myself hiding behind a facade of cynicism and often sarcasm. i was never good at sports, and this was my way of showing people how bloody clever I could be. I grew up. It doesn't work. It doesn't. Think about it. Sorry for the rambling here and for the kindergarten-type of lecturing, but even I - as a lurker of sorts - have had enough at the moment. I'll probably regret writing this very very soon, so I'll hit 'send' now and suffer the consequences. Thanks for listening, Alex http://www.popjourno.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mariannebratlie at xxx.com Sun May 23 15:01:45 1999 From: mariannebratlie at xxx.com (Marianne Bratlie) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 07:01:45 PDT Subject: Sinister: sorry... Message-ID: <19990523140146.31130.qmail@hotmail.com> ..just going to say that somehow, I got a mail who said that this(look at the end of this mail) mail hadn`t got through, but I can see now that it did.. and that`s why I have expressed a need for people sending tapes twice..I`m sorry, did not mean to seem desperate, it`s just that when I wrote the second mail, I didn`t think this had gone through the system, in fact i was pleased it didn`t, because I really shouldn`t have sent it to the list at all. (but directly to Nick, only)..but aparently, the message is on the list. Ignore the first mail, ok, ? (not the aeroplane mail) ok, I will not bother you any longer. Cheers Marianne lisa`skissingmenlikealongwalkhomewhenthemusicstopstakeatipfrommedon`t > From: "Marianne Bratlie" >Reply-To: "Marianne Bratlie" >To: Nick.Dastoor. at guardian.co.uk >CC: sinister at Majordomo.net >Subject: Re: Sinister: Re: White Horses >Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 04:57:44 PDT > >> >> >> > Talking of Camber Sands people have been squealing about tapes. I can >>do a few >> > (maybe five?) for people if they'd like. I'd be esp. pleased if in >>return >> > someone can give me a tape of 'Rhoda' or a non-Beat Patrol version of >> > 'Loneliness of the Middle Distance Runner' but it doesn't matter if you >>can't. >> > Email me.... > > >Yes! >you must be a very nice man. >ok, here is my offer: > >1) Tigermilk (tape ) >2) 5 songs from a Paris gig in 98 (97?)(B & S) >3) Random songs from my "collection" . ......, a great way to get >introduced >to new music..? > > ok, I know you probable have tigermilk, and all the live recordings in >the >world... >...but this is all I have. >(not meaning to make it sound like I`m not satisfied, I mean..tigermilk is >everything.) ..please..? > > > >cheers from Marianne who hopefully waits to hear from you. > >ps:anyone who has live recordings of Belle and Sebastian..I`m very >interested.., e-mail me.? >+-+ >>+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >+-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ >+-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Niceaction at xxx.com Sun May 23 15:47:28 1999 From: Niceaction at xxx.com (Niceaction at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:47:28 EDT Subject: Sinister: Here Comes The Weekend Message-ID: Mr Moore AKA John Peel posted this teaser. < WOW! Someone has actually voted for me! I would love to know who it was! I feel less shy already! Chris Jones. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Sun May 23 21:21:13 1999 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E. Hamilton) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 16:21:13 -0400 Subject: Sinister: List Crushes.....hum References: <199905232006.VAA00556@smtp.saqnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <000b01bea559$ced9b880$59e64ace@woody> Chris wrote: > WOW! Someone has actually voted for me! > I would love to know who it was! > I feel less shy already! Hmmm, I see I have no votes. Not a singular. Shall I take this as a hint and retreat and become a hermit Obi Wan style? Someone let me know, either way. Hey, the sun's gone. Drat. Oh wait, it's 9pm over there. Figures. love, blake -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- "Fuck!" - Jarvis Cocker ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Jones To: Sent: Sunday, May 23, 1999 11:39 AM Subject: Sinister: List crush > WOW! Someone has actually voted for me! > I would love to know who it was! > I feel less shy already! > > Chris Jones. > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.net Mon May 24 00:00:57 1999 From: rebelstrange at xxx.net (Lesley J Miller) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 16:00:57 -0700 Subject: Sinister: you can pin and mount me like a butterfly Message-ID: <002001bea570$1f653840$4d11020a@rebelstrange> as to Chris's message, i hope you didn't take imy post as sort of.......oh let's rally round the gay flag gayboys. i dont' know it was just a bit of a jest. i tend to agree with what you said about 'community' and so forth. i'm not generally a flag waving go-getter, and though i'm in a poor part of the country for seeing firsthand (!) alot of the emphasis i see in the media, so forth seems pretty disingenuous to me. and sort of stereotypical. i mean how many jokes do we have to hear about melissa etheridge? hehe. and the whole s/m thing but that's like a WAYYY nother story. anyway i just wanted to say i wasn't trying to categorize people or anythign, i just thought it was very nice that people were being natural about it. i like that, it says something about the open arms of Sinisterland, we shoul all feel at ease about being ourselves, whether we fancy stuart, sarah, or the dog on wheels maybe...... regardless, i'd like to give more PROPS to alyssa for her 'first real post' and look forward to many more. we can up the level of clannishness and cliques, and announce the formation of the Tweedykes foundation. HAHA you're not allowed!!! boooooooo hiss hiss paperwadinthe-eyeyousilly bugger!!!! you have a big nose and we dont' like you. (i'm kidding) as to the other thing//// I like all the newcomers. let me say that right now. i know i've only been on the list since october, so i'm probably a newcomer to some of the list, but the recent posts have been very nice for me, we just had some nice discussions going, and yes i think it's a bit elitist to keep saying "now the list is bollocks and horribly boring" that does cut out a lot of people and seems mean spirited, whether it was intentional or not. but naturally, let me be saccharine and say *hugs* to honey our long suffering mother. i appreciate her gentle guidance and whacks now and then, cos i deserve it. i'm a bit of a masochist. but nonetheless..... it DOES take strength to be gentle and kind, especially in the barrage of such madness......this ship of fools....... anyone catch jarvis the other night? disappointing dearth of his suggestions, but it was all WORTH IT baby just to see his impression of a Jerry Springer audience member. (Jer-ry! jer-ry!*clapping hands idiotically*) oh lordy. that was the best. btw i didn't know you brits had jerry springer yet. gawd i'm sorry about that.....i knew you had ricki, but....... i must admit i watch the show sometimes. yeah forget it i love it. them's my kinda people, thems the salt o'the earth. they're MY people, from MY land, the sort of staunch stock amongst which i was raised. yeah, so anyone who wants to withdraw their friendship with me, can do so now. i heartily encourage you to use caution. J at n says ... I'd like to be a goth myself, I would, there's only one tiny problem, and that's the music. I can't stand it, not even in an effort to get to know one of those heavenly goth creatures. But listening to boring synthie-pop with monotonous singing about death and devils... Way back when i was just a senior in high school there was a totally awesome radio show on called the nighttime experiment, or something like that. he played all goth and bizarro noise music and the Birthday party and stuff like Love Spirals downward, Nurse with Wound, Death in June, Current 96 and His Name is Alive. i must admit when i'm feeling in the right mood, that kinda stuff really gets my blood going. though i'm far from being an expert in that area, as the radio show was cancelled much to my chagrin, and i still have the sneaking suspicion that Death in June and Current 96 are either nazis, satan worshipers or something similar. can anyone prove or disprove this for me?? it used to give me terrible worries because i found myself enjoying quite a few of their songs, and still have a couple i recorded off the radio. (hopelessly offtopic but book-related) All this reminds me on the subject of the lovely Love Spirals Downwards (yes it's up-yer-arse music but it's damn PURTY!!), and the book club idea. i listened continuously to my LSD CD whilst i was reading the book "the Wild Road" by Gabriel king. a very twee fantasy book about cats, but it has some violence and pretty disturbing scenes in it. it also has a fox! yay!! it's perfect escapism. for tweebastards like myself, cos i still like reading books where the main characters are kittycats or unicorns or something. maybe there are a few others out there who are still stuck in 7th grade..... now that ive gotten way off the mark i'd like to say in closing, if everyone listend to the gentle waves record CONSTANTLY, maybe it would be a much less angst-ful place!! come on everyone. "if you're feeling kind of beat, if your'e feeling incomplete..." LJ http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange they were like those gauche youths who turn up to house parties only to cling to the dark corners in chaste disdain, driven by the naive, vaguely inhuman conviction that all merriment is a lie. SAVE MST3K!!!! http://www.mst3kinfo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lyricjunkie at xxx.com Sun May 23 22:45:26 1999 From: lyricjunkie at xxx.com (Natasha Rachel) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: If you're feeling chipper/ go off and pinch a vicar Message-ID: <19990523214526.22108.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Dear "none-more-fervent, website-powered super-fans" (copyright the contents page of *that* Select), As someone who doesn't post very often, it may seem a bit rich that I found the *whisper it* SOS chaos a bit upsetting. The reason being that the apprehension, which I suspect other people also feel (especially after the shyness discussion), of being harshly judged if I posted, seemed for a moment to be confirmed. But then Nick Da Star and Ailsa Rah!Rah! Ross (and everyone else whose input was appreciated but whose names don't lend themselves so immediately to distortion for glorification purposes) stepped in, and that's why I've got my sinister at Majordomo-typing fingers out again. Since I've been on the list, the notion of people who are "friends you just haven't met yet" has acquired meaning, and I don't care how vomit-inducingly sappy that sounds, it's how I feel. While I was wearing my none-more-fervent super-fan head yesterday, the thought occurred to me that Sinister bears a huge resemblance to the way in which Stu D and Karn met: An endless stream of long letters/ emails "about them(/our)selves, and about the world" being exchanged in both cases before people actually meet. I think we should all get our none-more-fervent super-fan heads on more often. Look what popped out of Honey's when he was wearing his - an entire mailing list which is so mouthwateringly desirable, a whole rabble of us wearing our own n-m-f s-f heads swarmed to it like bees to honey. (Pun very much intended.) Among other interesting things, alex tobin said: > I love music. It makes me feel good > Sometimes it makes me yearn for > days long-gone. Sometimes it evokes old and > painful memories, and my > mood evolves into a state of minor melancholy > or pure kitschy > sentimentality. Which is very true. I was going to put on TBWTAS but didn't precisely for that reason - I didn't want to get specific emotions stirred up once certain songs take on a life of their own. And I'm not just talking about wanting to force Steps to watch tapes of their pathetic selves on a loop until they realise just how laughable and worthy of every last drop of ridicule in the world they really are. And then he said: >But music is good. It is > powerful. YES!! Even if some songs do uncontrollably bring on undesirable feelings, the upside is being able to put on, say, I Should Coco, when you want something you KNOW is going to kick you out of bed and make you bound about the room like a hyperactive monkey. An electric shock straight on your botty would do the same, I suppose, but that's the point - music SHOULD be an electric shock to the heart, to the head and anywhere else you'd like to administer it. I'm off to tackle that vicar in the subject line now. Natasha xx _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 95djb2 at xxx.uk Mon May 24 01:06:36 1999 From: 95djb2 at xxx.uk (Dom) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 01:06:36 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: let the Parrot run (er, should be fly I s'pose) free Message-ID: Hi, Well I'm going to let all the list discussions pass over me and stir a bit of twee-ness into the mix instead: "Since to love is better than to be loved, unrequited love may be the finest love of all. If this is so, then the less requited the finer. And it follows that the most refined passion possible for us must finally be for those to whom we have never even spoken, whom we have never met. The passing face, the anguish of a vision of a face, a face sitting alone in front of you so endearing and so moving and so beautiful that you are torn and sick inside with hope and despair, instant despair...for it is hopelessly plain that no word can ever be spoken, those eyes will never greet yours, in a few minutes the bell will ring, the bus will shudder to a stop, and down some impersonal side street she will be gone." -William Sansom, from "The Passionate North", 1950 I'll let you draw your own parallels between the list crush site and a list where most people have never met... ;) Lovelorn looks on the bus Dom +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bad_sneakers at xxx.com Mon May 24 07:07:18 1999 From: bad_sneakers at xxx.com (Robyn Davidson) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: dogs love me cuz I'm crazy sniffable Message-ID: <19990524060718.3042.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> No I did NOT just put a Beastie Boy quote in the subject. Oh my god. Anyway. Hello! I've never posted here before because I didn't know if you had to manually type in Sinister: yadda yadda yadda in the subject or if it did it by itself. And with that I think I'm officially the biggest dork here. Do I need a small intro? Student at Virginia Tech on summer break now who has recently finagled a job down at the beach hassling tourists. Getting on with it... ian asked: >has anyone here ever stuck a marble up their nose? My dad once stuck bullet up his nose (fanner something?) when he was a kid and had to sit uncomfortably whilst my grandmother pried it out with her tweezers while trying to control her laughter. I almost choked on a marble though, if that counts. And no it hadn't been in my nose previously. As a child I acquired a taste for them so when I came upon one it immediately went into my mouth. So me and dad are sitting watching tv one afternoon and I'm chewing away when all the sudden it becomes lodged in my throat. Only I can't make a fuss because dad's just told me to take the damn thing out of my mouth. Seconds before I pass out I finally cough it up and everything turned out alright. mctag stated: >What's more I eat babies. I've got to say, when I read that I laughed so hard I fell out of my chair. Three times. Also woke up my younger brother so Sinister's touching lives all over. Yes, I think this list is simply enchanting. I think that was actually my only point in writing this. I myself have often been seen giggling like a fool when reading this lovely thing. Anyway, I'm done now but am strangely nervous about sending. Here goes it anyhow. well thanks for reading Robyn _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From richard.connell at xxx.com Mon May 24 10:34:06 1999 From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:34:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: they're all out to get you, once again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9406340924051999/A02525/ADVAX1/11D5C2620300*@MHS> Hi, This may be a bit late and everything, i apologise, i dont get to see the list at weekends. Id just like to add my 'vote' of support to honey, ailsa, the so-called 'elite' and anyone else who has been level-headed about this. I have been on the list longer than a lot of you, less than a lot of you and can safely say im no-where near the 'elite'. Never met anyone on the list, only talk to a couple of people who are on the list privately and dont even like 70s Who. i have posted a fair few times, mainly rambling toss about nothing much at all. Every post has got through. I only ever got a couple of private slaggings, all deserved. One for mailing a 'funny' foward, another for being a bit insensitive about the wonderful but dead jeff buckley. To say the so called 'elite' is moving the list in certain directions is paranoid and wrong i think. How many of you have posted things that stopped getting through? None i bet, because it doesnt happen, so how can any phantom menace (tm george lucas) by controlling the list? Did this bring anything new to the debate? Probably not, just wanted to say 'nuff respeck' to honey for all hes done and that i hope all this goes away and we can all live together again as a happy family. Sorry if ive said whats already been said or am continuing this after its thrill-by-date, just had to get it out. Ill get me coat, Rich +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Mon May 24 03:50:25 1999 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:50:25 -0400 Subject: Sinister: A Few Responses Message-ID: <3748BE71.6C5E7C75@ohiou.edu> Hello, I just wanted to respond to a few points, some beat into the ground already, some untouched until now. First of all, I was away this weekend, and only just now had time to read all my Sinister mail. I was almost immediately appalled by FunkySeb's misrepresentation of SoS. I was one of the so-called "elite few" on SoS, and I think this had more to do with the fact that I very obviously cared about the list when I talked about it with honey than the fact that I was in with the in-crowd. I am going to reaffirm the views of everyone who has posted that was on SoS, and say that he was almost completely wrong about it. He did get a few things right about it. It is, for example, a list. AND I want to again reaffirm the statement that Honey is wonderful, and does a better job running this list than any listmummy on any of the other lists I've been on did running theirs. Even me ;) What struck me as more than a little bit apalling was that FunkySeb's confused picture of SoS was almost word-for-word the one that an employee of Jeepster posted to us. It is somewhat surprising that said employee, despite the fact that (s)he had been on SoS since its inception, managed to totally misconstrue what it actually was. Honey immediately corrected said employee, informing him of the points that all the SoSsers have brought up in response to FunkySeb's post. So I want to know, is Jeepster trying to get rid of Sinister? I don't like to think so, but facts seem to make the possibility of this suggestion a litle more real than I'd like. I'm not sure what I believe at this point in time. I hope that FunkySeb's misconceptions of SoS were borne from either: A) An amazing and odd coincidence OR B) A loose-mouthed Jeepster employee complaining before Honey informed him of his/her failings to understand the facts surrounding SoS. and not an effort by Jeepster to undermine the list's love of Honey. I feel sorry for FunkySeb if he was so misinformed, but not so much so realizing that he left before he could be told what was going on. His loss. And on to the other things that some people brought up. Firstly, although all posts are not commented on an official forum, when we talk to our Sinister friends off-list, inevitably we talk about posts. We all judge every post, just like we judge a great many things. You're all judging this post right now, and there's nothing wrong with that, whether you like it or dislike it. The fact that I was on SoS does not mean my posts are not dissected, discussed, or deplored, although none of these occurred on SoS. Lastly, several people, when commenting on recent events, said something along the lines of "Stop it, B&S are just a band, and this list is just a place to discuss them." I can understand why people do think this, but I wish to inform the people who do that this is not *just* a discussion list about B&S to a great number of people. It may not mean as much to me as it once did, but to some people I am very close to this list is almost as important, if not more important than the band themselves. So if you want to just talk about the band, then fine, but please consider that not everyone feels the same way you do, and no one's forcing you to stay here. So if you don't like the content, please delete the message, complain to some friends offlist, or unsubscribe. Whatever you do, don't whine about how you don't like certain types of posts on the list. If we all did that then all we'd have was a bunch of complaining, then, wouldn't we? Yes, I realize I'm whining ;) Sorry, but I'm sure Honey has enough problems to deal with already, so please excuse my preachiness. /"\_/"\_/"\ Brian Pennington, a.k.a. Mick McMick; Sandcastle Records \ / bp224996 at ohiou.edu ICQ#5056758 | | Sandcastle Recs Homepage: http://www.frognet.net/~mick/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | -Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Mon May 24 11:26:53 1999 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:26:53 +0200 Subject: Sinister: I Really Like It When You Speak Like a Child... Message-ID: <01bea5cf$f155d4e0$LocalHost@itjfvkli> ..the crazy things you say like "I'm so free and so wild!" That's my contribution to the Paul Weller title tournament. I really want the Style Council box set. The only thing stopping me is the fact that it costs money. Speaking of Big Boss Grooves, I've found that I just can't bring myself to dislike FunkySeb. It's the thought of all those bumhole sandcastles and his classic series of pub postcards that does it. Quite why Jeepster had to use him to publicize their own deranged paranoid views is beyond me. Couldn't they do it themselves? Or were they afraid of alienating the "consolidated fanbase"? If this is someone's idea of becoming the Berry Gordy of the 21st century, I think one or two basic ingredients are missing. Someone mentioned that FunkySeb looks like Doctor Who. I've never seen him, but I'm absofuckinglootely positive that he looks like Mitch Mitchell on the back cover of the booklet to the Jimi Hendrix Experience BBC Sssions CD. In other words, Harpo Marx on bad acid. Go on, check it out. Otherwise my fantastic joke will be left in limbo for all eternity. Jordi was damn right! I was very angry about being left off the alleged SOS list. In case it's not too late, I'd just like to make my opinions public - list traffic restricted to 25 mph, random drug testing and no messages from the record company that are ploughing so much time and effort into removing us from the equation. Or we'll tell the BPI. Apparently, Metallica weren't allowed to call their first album "Metal Up Your Ass". Quite right too. I hope B&s call their next axe-weilding album "Empty Smartie Tube Up Your Bum" or "Teddy Bear Filling Under Your Foreskin". That last one might be a bit difficult to explain away, eh chaps? Last but not least, an action replay of one of the highlights of my life so far: Pam, who's been in groups and stuff, wrote: seen "the odessa file"? I just watched it on tv a coupla weeks ago. it was on in the middle of the night, possibly adding unnecessary spooky effect to the fact that john voigt's lovable rogue spyguy character is named peter miller. I can't get my head around it, in my sexy dream about mr. miller just days before that, he wasn't a blonde at all. not a natural one, I mean. My mouth is opening and closing, but no sound is coming out. Yours faithfully, Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jimgrund at xxx.fr Mon May 24 12:38:21 1999 From: jimgrund at xxx.fr (Jan Imgrund) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:38:21 +0200 Subject: Sinister: they're only songs Message-ID: <199905241139.NAA12754@front6.grolier.fr> Hello SinisterInes, (that's the original German way of writing sinisters and sinisterines: a capital in the middle of the word! It was invented by some politically correct students and it's called a Binnenmajuskel.. I love this word: sounds like something saucy but isn't ... you surely know that Germany is the capital of Capitals, with the most- tortured SHIFT-keys in the world.) but that was not my point. My point was to inform you that my new&fancy tindersticks site has just gone online at http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/tinderpage/tinder.html Knowing that there are more than a few fans on this list, you might want to take a look. two posts in two days... something's wrong with me right now... Regards, J at n The Dark Site of the Moon: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/index.html "We're ugly, but we have the music" - L. Cohen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ScoDog1441 at xxx.com Mon May 24 12:46:30 1999 From: ScoDog1441 at xxx.com (ScoDog1441 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 07:46:30 EDT Subject: Sinister: and when the dust settled... Message-ID: Another newbie reared its head. Frustrating place that nursery - if only id joined on one of my numerous visits to plunder the Chords page on the site over the last 18 months. Well, what can I share with y'all for in my first post? S'pose I can hit you with fact that b&s are the only band to help you with your hangover when driving to work on a Monday following a heavy weekend. Yep, the only band. They can't, however, alert you to the fact that the buggers have put film in that speed camera. I wasnt even late. Ne'ermind, its gonna cost me money & make me disappointed, so its just like watching Northampton Town, which im deprived of for the next couple of months. Whilst stuck in the nursery, I noticed that i'd accidentally joined the Dr Pepper list instead :) I tend to guzzle a fair bit of soft drink when playing me favourite game, Pool, on UK tour/at county games etc. Recently, ive noticed everyone drinking Red Bull to perk them up. Tried it myself and it weren't that good, but that lucozade one Solstis seemed to do the trick (downed a few cans and was buzzing the other night). Watch that ranking go up! Time for a resident list alky to chip in with "And its even better with Vodka..." Oh look, its just 4 and a half days till the weekend ! Scott aka The Dog, for purposes of egocentrical pool nick-name (Scottydog - gerrit?!) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Mon May 24 13:16:39 1999 From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:16:39 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: Things in ears Message-ID: Hellooooo! One of my friends is a nurse, and yesterday, whilst she was examining my warty foot, she mentioned that the most common case they have in the Children's Ward is kids who have a raisin stuck in their ear. I asked what to do if ever confronted with such a circumstance and she said you should remove the offending object with a pair of tweezers. So now you know. She'd never seen anyone with a marble up their nose, though. Oh look, there's a raisin! I think I'll stick it in my ear. Bye Robin xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From theasphaltgirl at xxx.com Mon May 24 13:39:59 1999 From: theasphaltgirl at xxx.com (Therese McKenna) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 05:39:59 PDT Subject: Sinister: Things in ears Message-ID: <19990524123959.81320.qmail@hotmail.com> I stuck some polystyrene up my nose when I was a bairn. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kissingdom at xxx.net Mon May 24 14:37:37 1999 From: kissingdom at xxx.net (Tony) Date: 24 May 99 14:37:37 BST Subject: Sinister: the stars we are Message-ID: <19990524133737.32.qmail@www0k.netaddress.usa.net> Wandering into Rough Trade at lunch time I see that 'Track and Field' have finally announced details of their club night: Friday 28th May @ The Betsy Trotwood Farringdon Road EC1 London 8-12pm �2 playing: belle and sebastian, sterolab, broadcast, delgados, hefner, pavement, salako, felt, the pastels I think The Betsey Trotwood is the pub on the corner of bowling green lane where all the Guardian staff drink, if so T&F will no doubt be upstairs Listened to the classic serial 'The Well of Loniness' on R4 over the weekend. Recommend seeking out the book. Tony ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From k.watson at xxx.uk Mon May 24 15:15:25 1999 From: k.watson at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:15:25 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Funny Message-ID: <001101bea5ef$de519d50$4e0129c2@sun> Aye Peter, as I remember Seb does look like Mitch Mitchell, kind of with longer hair, as in the Band of Gyppos period Hendrix. I can't bring myself to dislike Seb purely because basically he's been misled - so that renders him not responsible for his actions really. If what he said was true, one would've applauded his actions, it's just that it was a load of bollocks - it's where he got all this "information" that worries me. From my perspective you're welcome back any time you like Seb. Anyway, glad to see virtually no-one took all that list stuff seriously. Bloody ridiculous really, I mean, if I could have a go at controlling the list, then surely I'd make it mandatory to like the 70's WHO. Have to agree though, all of this does seem spurred on by the evil machinations of a certain individual who seems intent on destroying the sinister list cause he can't be the leader, bit sad really. I've just been looking at a WHO list, and there's a top post where someone goes "Happy Birthday Pete! You are one!" (referring to the WHO song "I'm One"), and someone's followed it up going "Hmmm... I thought he was in his fifties. In any case... Ailsa has floated the idea of a meet up in Glasgow this Saturday, so if any of you lot fancy coming along, give me a shout, we haven't quite worked out where it's going to be yet, but I'm sure we will. It should be a good laugh, they normally are. Naturally everyone's invited even if you are shy, or don't like the 70's WHO. It just occurred to me about the 70's WHO, people have a problem with them not really cause of the music, but in 1969, suddenly the WHO changed from wearing highly stylish suits, and P!O!P! art clothing, to the following : Roger Daltrey - dressed up as a red indian Pete Townshend - started wearing a boiler suit John Entwistle - most ridiculously of them all started dressing up as a skeleton! Fact! Keith Moon - Good old Mooney stuck to lovely white T-shirts. I can understand how this might put people off. Nice to see Rodd-Job back on the jobbb, keep it up rodddders! Take care, Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From franzmoz at xxx.com Mon May 24 16:58:11 1999 From: franzmoz at xxx.com (Francis Lovely) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:58:11 BST Subject: Sinister: papas fritas Message-ID: <19990524155811.43170.qmail@hotmail.com> I know that it may sound silly after all those "important" matters discussed on the list. But I'm just wondering if anyone knows something about Papas Fritas, an american band whose first album was out in 1995. I found it in Notting Hill for only two pounds and it is really good. Pop played by an american band. Something like the best songs by "Drop Nineteens". I mean, it was worth the two pound. And even more. But I don't know nothing about the band. Can anyone help me? Love, Francesco. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rehakk at xxx.edu Mon May 24 17:17:52 1999 From: rehakk at xxx.edu (Kimberly Rehak) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: nevermind this load of bollocks... Message-ID: well, the boss is away again, YES! she's sick: HORRAY! i hope i never have to be a boss because i don't really want people to get happy when i'm feeling ill. all i want if for people to like me, darn it. that's all i ask, really... neener neener, that's not all i am asking, really! i really want to know is how much is a good price for a used drum set? because if you see (well read)...i want to teach myself how to play. and then i'm going to join my friends marie and cece deville in an all girl punk-rock band because, as you all well know, there has never been one of those before. (a joke) but i thought: "maybe someone could help me out. why not ask?" i kid you not, i a ctually said that. it's a lovely raining day outside. it took me all morning to read the weekend and this morning mailings from the world of sinister. well, i do read a bit slow but the fact it took me 2.5 hours to read them all is mostly the fault of my sloooooooooooooooooow puter/email server. hmmm, just got booted off again. i love machines. especially those wanking ones! i'm wearing all black to work today. well, actually my pants have faded to a dirty gray color. i've got my doc martin black boots on, black shirt (question: if you have two fo the exact same shirts but wear them both constantly does that matter or am i still considered a consumerist pig?) but my pants are tight and tend to taper in the ankles, real punk rock. i even watched sid and nancy (awful awful) last night and brought in the sex pistols to work today (the cd, not any actual members,--damn! rotten's so dreamy) and i'm pretty sure my marie is off to the pleasant hills library reading the copy of rotten. that is, if she found it with my directions. i guess monday for me is I WISH I WERE PUNK ROCK DAY. because you know, i'm going to repierce my nose, dye my hair that flaming red color i've been dying to do, buy some spikes (i already have the leopard prints taking care of). anyway, the point i'm trying to get to ( i DO have one, i think) is that, i HATE it when people group things together. just because i dress a certain way doesn't mean that i have to BE a certain way. see, my mum's convinced that i'm "punk rock" whenalli have is my pistols, the clash, and a tape of screeching weasel that a friend made for me. ggrrrrr...i wish that everyone could peacefully coexist with everyon, doing their own thing, etc. the goth thread kind of reminded me of this. i mean, i understand that goths tend to dress a certain way, etc. but last friday there was "goth night" at the club i went to a show at. and i was tempted to stay. goths are people, punks are people, hipsters are people, tweebees are fucking people. i just wish that we could all be people before wer were a distinction. does this make any sense? just be yourself and i'll love you for it. now i'm going to go before my puter logs me of f again. plus, it's time for a cigarette and lunch. yum! toodle-oo, KIMberly xx and anyone who is bored: icq# 39133492 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tourajsig2 at xxx.com Mon May 24 17:25:51 1999 From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: York Road, Down Street, Spanner Vale Message-ID: <19990524162551.9465.rocketmail@web120.yahoomail.com> ...and that's my contribution to the Dead Tube Stations nameathon. I really want that LT face-pack and moisturiser set in the shape of Aldwych entrance hall. Even if I have to prise it out of the trembling hands of a sick child. Non-SoS member Mr Miller, with cheeks aglow, said this in a sing-song voice: > This evening I finally got to see Mister Olazabal's civic reception. > His smile roughly matched the inverse parabola of a deft chip out of > the bunker. Was there dancing in the streets when the Spanish did a clean sweep at last year's French Open ? I only ask because, through the power of Java this and Netscape that, I've got a little window on my computer which tells me exactly what's happening on the red clay of Roland Garros. A little earlier Senor Moya began the defence of his title by squeaking past somebody called Hipflask and Tim Henman is currently struggling manfully against someone called Salami. I kid you not. Are all of the lower seeds named after things you take to picnics ? Before you know it there'll be a wily southpaw from Lima called Jose-Luis KraftSingles up against some US Collegiate hopeful named Buck CherryBakewell. Just as long as Charlie PoisonousLiesAboutTheSoSList gets dumped in qualifying, eh ? Ah, it's about that time of year again - the smell of freshly-mown grass, the cloying tang of Robinson's Barley Water, the satisfying plop of catgut against whatever it is they cover tennis balls with. I still insist on putting 'racket sports' as a leisure interest on my CV even though I know full well the last time I swung anything resembling a racket in anger I was two stone lighter and still had all my own teeth. Keith 'Flying V' Watson bellowed the following and then swung his mic around for a bit: > Naturally everyone's invited > even if you are shy, or don't like the 70's WHO. I do have a strange hankering to hear 70s WHO again, if only for nostalgic reasons. My brother seemed to use the likes of "Who's Next" and "Odds and Sods" as a stepping stone from the horror of Emerson, Lake & Palmer to the majesty of Magazine. I'd forgotten about this until recently... I knew he couldn't have gone straight from gatefold Roger Dean sleeves and 20-minute organ solos to The Buzzcocks. Say what you like about Daltrey's hair, if it stops a boy listening to "Brain Salad Surgery" it has to be a good thing. B&S content ? Er, 20 years later my bro' goes into a record shop of his own accord and buys "Lazy Line Painter Jane". There's a progression of sorts. Mike (who recently bought a scanner. You have been warned). _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nick.morton at lineone.net Mon May 24 17:34:40 1999 From: nick.morton at lineone.net (nick.morton at lineone.net) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:34:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: b&s on the box?! Message-ID: <199905241634.RAA19603@boober.lineone.net> hello people! apologies if this got mentioned this already, but I don't *think* anyone did... so there i was on Saturday, idly watching England fight back in the cricket (not suspecting the horrors that would follow, but thats another story) and reading the Daily Telegraph TV guide... when i nearly fell off my settee with shock... their recommended programme was a half-hour documentary 'The Story of Belle and Sebastian'..., the obscure indie eightpiece who had fame thrust upon them at the Brits etc.etc. cliche cliche cliche... But still!! i thought... b&s on the telly!!! how exciting!!... interviews with Mark Radcliffe! Maybe get to see a video or two at last!!so imagine my disappointment as i looked a little closer and realised it was on BBC Choice (to non-UK listees, a digital-only channel available to about 3 people across the whole country as yet)... BOO!!!!!! :-( Is anyone here by any chance one of those lucky three??.. it was on last night at 6:30pm... did I miss anything good???? love from nick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ girl: well, maybe you were being threatening... boy: i can't think of anyone less threatening girl: maybe you're just in love boy: i can't think of anyone more in love... nick.morton at lineone.net definitely no boober involved) :-) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Elizabeth.Kurtis at xxx.com Mon May 24 18:54:29 1999 From: Elizabeth.Kurtis at xxx.com (Kurtis, Elizabeth) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:54:29 -0000 Subject: Sinister: The spy who nibbled my biscuits Message-ID: <262810611403D211A8FF00A0C94CAF3B024DE34E@QUAY-STREET1> Silly me, putting 'spy' in my subject line after all that SOS mess. Honest, it's not related, I've just been admiring my new Austin Powers screen saver all afternoon. So yes, I'm settled here in the sunny north of England, with access to e-mail at last! A late hello to everyone who was at the Betsey pre-bowlie party and Bowlie too--I think we wore in our own ass-grooves into some of those pub chairs, yes? It's a bit disturbing that my clearest memory is of Mistopher Christopher and Keith making the Beanie monkey do rude things with his tail, but there you go. B & S content -- I'm temping at a, umm, certain telly program where people impersonate famous singers, and out of the 5000 applications I've slogged through so far, NO ONE has written in offering to be Stuart M. or even Stephen Pastel. So come on, call for an application form for Stars in their Eyes and let's see if we can't have better 'indie' representation than Simon Fowler from Ocean Colour Scene! The number is: 0870 400 4000 Just call and leave your address clearly, and one will be mailed to you. love, Elisabeth xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin at xxx.uk Mon May 24 18:01:06 1999 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin Robinson) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:01:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Sosages and Mash Message-ID: <0dORnCASXYS3EwT+@send.demon.co.uk> C'mon everybody c c c'mon everybody. What ever happened to those gurus of style and suave the Jive Bunnies? Anyway, I'm glad to see the SOSAGES (Save our Sinister Against General Everyday Sinisterines) debate has died down and proved to have no real substance. A bit like those Linda McCartney vegetarian sausages. Sorry musn't talk ill of a dead persons non-meat food products. I too am not happy with the "All Tomorrows Parties" weekender title. I mean it's all a bit of a mouthful really isn't it? Judging by the smut and filth I have to read here it should probably be called the Dirty Weekender. Then we can all do our dirty dancing to the fab sounds of the Gentle Waves and Stereolab. Sounds like the time of my life to me. I'll be Patrick Swayze if you all have a very strong sense of imagination. Yes books are cool and they're so much easier to read on trains than the people sitting opposites newsapaper, they tend to get annoyed when you ask them to turn the page too. Isn't there a list residing somewhere of recommended reading from Sinister people? If so can someone tell me how to attain it. I'll add my hearty recommendation of Kundera's stuff and I also presently love William Goldings "Free Fall", Michael Hornburgs "Bongwater" and anything by Tim Sandlin. Has anyone got Sandlin's "The Pyms:Unauthorized tales of Jackson Hole"? As you can only get it mail order in the States which is rather irritating. I'll send anyone all my Jive bunny masterpieces in exchange (or even something less worthy) if someone can get it for me. Oh well I digress... Isn't the Luna album bloody fantastic? I just can't get the CD out of my stereo, but enough of my incapabilities. Te ra, Martin "Thy abundant goodness shall excuse This deadly blot on thy digressing son." - Willy Shakespeare +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hopkinstim at xxx.com Mon May 24 18:15:16 1999 From: hopkinstim at xxx.com (Tim Hopkins) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:15:16 PDT Subject: Sinister: B&S moments; White Horses; Strand Message-ID: <19990524171516.8318.qmail@hotmail.com> Well, I've just had a weekend fairly bursting with Belle and Sebastian moments, like... 1) the Johnny Morris tribute on the BBC featuring Johnny PLUS a ringtailed Lemur (B&S count: 2: lemur (see archives); sitting around in front of a telly) 2) getting off the bus, drunk and scruffy with a carrier bag, at London Bridge Station and seeing a fox running along the railway lines (B&S count: 4: bus; railway station; scruffy; fox). 3) getting stuck in a lift with a military man who looked down on me like I was never born (B&S count: 0: completely made-up story) So yes, in fact I had but two B&S moments, but that is two more than I've had today at work in an office so full of antipodeans that the heating is permanently set to 'uncomfortable'. Bah. What else? Oh, yes. I should like to warn Mr. Peter Miller that his last two posts have only scored 5.5 each (a reasonable 7 for artistic impression, let down by a dreadful 4 for technical merit). At this rate, he is in danger of being left out of the squad for the mailinglist world championships. It is well-known that the Russians will have a crack squad out this time, who have been training on a top-secret intranet somewhere near Gorky. His progress is being monitored. Think on. The last few days have been a great illustration of why it's generally a good idea to keep list-talk away from the list, don't you reckon? I keep meaning to write to the list to say that I have never had a marble up my nose. The problem is that something in the back of my mind keeps telling me that, actually, I have. But I can't remember it. I can remember nearly choking on a big bit of bubblegum as a child, and the sub-Heimlich thing that saved my life also resulted in me throwing up all over my mum's best coat. Flavour of the month, that was me. Abi wrote: >i was immediately interested, because i have always had a sneaking > >suspicion that it is indeed rabbits who cause ALL the trouble, and >not >footballers/the government/satan. just you keep an eye on them, >that's all >i'm saying. they know more than they'd like you to think. >sitting there >with their twitchy noses, >pretending they're not LISTENING TO EVERY WORD YOU SAY. and >scheming. I am in total agreement with this. Those little bob-tailed lettuce-munching bastards are up to no good. Those big ears are actually satellite receivers and the twitching little evil bastard noses are transmitters. They have a string of rabbit satellites circling the globe and they are watching us and talking about us in a language we can't understand. They're infiltrating our pop music via Eddie Rabbitt, Warren G and Bunny Wailer (memo to Rabbit Central control: could do better here). Furthermore they're just waiting for the moment when they get to spray their special spray over the countryside and all their harmless-looking but evil-smelling droppings will turn into high explosive and kill us all. You know they eat their *own* *turds*? Ian wrote: >6) The Airport Security was once told off by the police for calling out the >bomb squad on two occaisions in a week to "De-fuse" suspect packages which >respectively turned out to be a sleeping tramp and a briefcase full of >Dutch porno, including a nice line in corprophilia. ...and assuming that last word means what I think it means, then SEE? Those rabbity turd-munching ways get everywhere. Even the Low Countries, where rabbits are banned BY LAW. You want more evidence? I give you 'Rabbit Rabbit' by Chas n Dave. I give you 'Bright Eyes' by that curly haired bald guy whose name I can't bring myself to utter. And how about the dumbassedhippyanthem to end all dumbassedhippyanthems? I give you 'White Rabbit' by the Jefferson Stagecoach or whatever they were called before steam was invented. Pure shite. Anyway, Keithboy wrote... >Bloody ridiculous really, I mean, if I could have a go at >controlling the >list, then surely I'd make it mandatory to like the >70's WHO. So... you mean... the time you tied me to a tree, attached leeches to my testes and danced around shouting "Squeeze Box y'lardy sack o' shite! Who Are Ye, ya big fat fucka!"...that was just for fun? I'm pleased to say that it didn't work, I still think 1970's WHO are a crock of 25 year old PISS. Yeah. Or maybe the whole thing was just another of my many list dreams. Off to the boozer before I do any more damage, Tim ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glawler at xxx.ie Mon May 24 18:37:03 1999 From: glawler at xxx.ie (Gary Lawler) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 18:37:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Looper and that Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990524183703.007da4a0@gpo.iol.ie> That Looper album, Up A Tree. I only got it the other day, and I think it's quite a lot of fun . . . but is it just me or do a lot of the songs sound the same (and I don't mean that is in the same kind of tune, I mean _the_same_ tune)? How long does it take Jeepster to deal with an order? I know it's only a while ago since I sent my one in, but surely it couldn't take *that* long . . . Someone asked a while back about Godspeed You Black Emperor! and if they were any good. IMO, they're alright . . . the album took a while to grow on me, but I still can't say it's one of my favorites. It's at it's best when it's listened to from the beginning right through to the end, but it's certianly not an easy listen (especially the first track which, IMO, is pretty spooky). If you can't think of anything else to buy, I suppose it couldn't hurt to give it a try (if I were told to sum it up in a phrase, I'd say that it was "Tough Going", but I wasn't so I won't). Blimey, this is all a bit whiney from me today. IIRC (I'm too lazy to go back and check ^_^), there was some talk of spelling and that . . . I like to keep a browser window on http://www.dictionary.com to copy and paste big words out of :-) Now I hear that episode with Hombre for Men on the telly, so I'm off :-) -- Gary Lawler * ICQ UIN: 11115268 * AIM: seclite369 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From karastar at xxx.com Mon May 24 18:47:42 1999 From: karastar at xxx.com (Kara Baer) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:47:42 -0700 Subject: Sinister: sunday nite hi-jinx... Message-ID: ..or lack there-of. Was I the only one who faithfully trotted out ready to groove to the sweet sounds of Wee Chris' record collection, only to find the G2 cold and empty? Oh well. I'm all for meeting up on Saturday. I only have a week left in Glasgow and I want to make the most of it! Who cares about exams? I'll be without e-mail access all summer. I'm going to miss our cosy li'l list. I've just met a boy who claims to be honey's girlfriend's cousin...he's from Dingle. Love Kara* PS is anyone else excited about the new Harry Potter book? *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.net Mon May 24 19:19:27 1999 From: honey at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:19:27 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: List closing down Message-ID: "Only joking". You know crows, the way they walk around knocking over shopping trolleys and pushing small children out the way? They're getting bigger by the week aren't they? It's really scary. Oh and... thank you all for being so charming about the kerfuffle from Friday. I do have sympathy with those list members who appeal to people to stop talking about the list on the list, but in this case I thought I wasn't in any position to push that. But seeing I've received about 40 mails saying "ignore the crap, Sinister's great, keep it going!" let's do just that shall we? It seems I'm guilty of misjudging a teensy bit the coherency and intelligence of this lovely place you've all created in my womb, so I'm just going to stand on the sidelines for a bit, a smiley impressed dimple in my cheek, sucking my finger... and doing those dull list admin jobs that make me so happy if you're all happy, or energised, or something by Sinister. I'll try and shut up a bit more too, I promise. (I'm trying to find a way to say thank you to you all, but can't without sounding twee as fuck). So - normal service resumed. List rules apply. Discussion about the list ON the list are herein discouraged again unless your house is on fire - please be public spirited and see where it leads. Don't flame. If you don't want a response to what you're about to send, don't mail anything. Think of Sir Cliff. Gamble in the fields and be happy. Tim said: > The last few days have been a great illustration of why it's > generally a good idea to keep list-talk away from the list, don't > you reckon? Tim, keep list-talk away from the list please. Oh and, remember that if any of you do have comments about the list, what you'd like to see, what you like or don't about the way it's run you can always mail me off-list, and I'll try and try to reflect the majority view like a sexy antique mirror. But please be patient as I've got a ton of metaphorical flowers to send to people just now, and I'm verrrry very slow. Finally: I can't see that anyone's mention this yet but I'm a blind old bat: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/evening/lamacq_live/belle.html It's got a WWW page and 20 minute Realaudio program on Bowliewowlie, lots of Richard, Bowlie footie team gossip etc. I haven't even heard it all yet, but it's there if you want it. Carry on, Sergeant Wilson. Honey (bead from necklace stuck up nose at age 3 - doctor from over the road - tweezers - cried) xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From robhalcrow at lineone.net Mon May 24 19:24:29 1999 From: robhalcrow at lineone.net (robhalcrow at lineone.net) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 19:24:29 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Re: If you're feeling chipper..... Message-ID: <199905241824.TAA11465@boober.lineone.net> Hellooooooo baby (in a Big Bopper voice please), I went away for a couple of days and when I came back, blimey.....eh? Natasha is dead right, I think, (if you are feeling chipper and you do pinch a vicar I hope you do it in a kind allbeit playful and mischeivous way cos vicars have feelings too. I like vicars). I think we should be fervent in our fandom of all sorts of music, whatever we're into at that particular time. I bought the new Arab Strap album on Saturday and it's gorgeous. "Here We Go" really does me in. But then again, there is stuff you/I/we listen to to get oursleves up and going and make us laugh or smile. Talking of smiling I like this list, and I wish it and all its contributors a long happy future. I often find the little comments make me laugh out loud. (Who was going on about chasing a fat toad, or big alsatians crapping on the lawn?) (Don't look at me like that, you know what I mean). And of course there are serious, thought-provoking and moving messages posted which I would miss should the list cease to exist. (Have you ever heard that Beach Boys track, "Cease to Exist" with lyrics by Charles Manson? Spooky. Dennis Wilson sings it and he should have sung more I reckon. Dennis or Mike Love? No contest.) Books.......I read a collection of Herman Hesse short stories and I thought it was the most pretentious load of boring old cobblers I'd ever read. I got it out of the library cos Tom Wolfe said Ken Kesey and his Merry Pranksters used to read him all the time. Maybe if you're tripping off your bonce it becomes fascinating but I just wanted to hit him. (How un-twee). What's all this list crush fandango? Everytime I go to that site my computer says it has performed "an illegal operation" (what, like stealing someone's kidneys?) and kicks me out. How does one get involved? How can I get someone to vote for me? Please. Anyone. It wouldn't hurt. (That's a good chat up line for shy people like myself. Just whine like a small child. "Oh go on. Purlease. Why not? 'Snot fair ...etc" Owen, glad you love the Mackems. Steer clear of "Niall Quinn's Disco Pants" though as it's one of the worst singles ever. Keep posting interesting things everyone. I want to meet some people before the list kicks its proverbial bucket. Love Rob "WE ARE SPIES!! WE WILL KILL YOUU!! SHOO DOO DOO WOOOOO!!!" - Kenickie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From justin at xxx.com Wed May 26 20:15:52 1999 From: justin at xxx.com (Justin Williams) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:15:52 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Chris' response to rebelstrange's message from a gayboy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.1.19990526133125.009a5100@delafont.com> At 12:24 PM 5/22/99 -0700, you wrote: >I saw the 'glad to be gay' message from rebelstrange on 5/21 and thought I'd >drop a brief (?) line. > > This whole 'gay community' thing, aside from the political belief that we must have legal >recourse to guarantee that we are not fired or denied housing or harassed or >threatened, is for the fucking birds. I have gay friends, I have straight >friends, but I don't care in the least about gay/straight and neither do >they. Maybe it's different for the girls, but for the boys (I'm 23, so maybe >I can only speak about the 20-something boys), there seems to be nothing but >cheapness, tawdriness, anti-love, anti-feelings, false machismo, etc, in our >'scene'. Going to gaybars is sickeningly similar to going to a college >fraternity house where everybody is interested only in preening, asserting >their superiority, and drinking/fucking. It's like a bunch of typically >heterofratboys allowed to go out of control, all the aggression and >'masculinity' entirely out of balance. Some ferocity and aggression have >their place, in girls and in boys, but surely not without some value placed >on love, affection, consideration and kindness? It's a sad day when the most >visible and vocal parts of your local gay (male? again, I can only speak for >my experience) community are intent on erasing their vulnerability, anything >'feminine', from themselves, and I believe that's the day we're living in, >at least here in Portland (Oregon, USA).... >I'm sure none of us are overly concerned with our genders or sexual >orientations, accepting of all of them. The things that bind us are so much >deeper and more beautiful than gender/sex, which are only issues because of >the cruel and stupid people of the world, anyway. If it's a surprise to >anybody that there are a lot of queer boys who are into Belle & Sebastian, >I'd say it's nothing but the most pleasant kind of surprise, I'm sure there >are throngs of us who aren't obsessed with the macho posturing or the bitchy >competitiveness, who in fact need an antidote. I've decided that the next >guy I date MUST be into Belle & Sebastian, I really believe it says a lot >(not everything, of course, but maybe enough?) about a person. I have to agree with Chris on every count or point he is making here. I also want to use this opportunity while the subject is still ripe to explain my own position. So if you aren't in the mood to hear a personal account of sexuality you should probably stop reading. First of all, I know there are a lot of gay men and women who despise the concept of being "bi" and deny it's validity altogether (I also know that being "bi" is threatening to heterosexuals and homosexuals because it adds a whole gender to the already risky business of finding a honest and faithful mate, and it also dictates that being gay or not is a choice...and as far as I see it for some it is a combination of choice, emotion, background, and pre-destination for lack of a better word, and for others it is who they are, period) I however consider myself a bi-sexual for many well-thought out reasons. I am, first off, attracted to women as a gender whole and I respect and admire many things that are for the most part exclusive to that gender. I find myself undeniably attracted to women physically and spiritually and I feel it is not simply because it has been bred into me by the atmosphere of my upbringing. I also, however, am attracted to many guys I see (a relatively smaller number) but I find my attraction towards guys to be a combination of physical attraction and compatibility. With males, though, I find it harder to separate the two areas of appeal, I mean I can't date one without the combination of at least decent looks (I am by no means so conceited as to say I have to have a good looking guy) and common interests. I think as far as females are concerned I would like to only be attracted to the complete package (looks+personality) but it is usually one or the other, hardly ever both. Oh, I am going off on a tangent here and I hope I haven't offended anyone so far. I have been to a few gay bars and as Chris mentioned, they are as bad and in my opinion worse than your typical hetero bars. There is a constant vibe of promiscuity throughout them that gives the "newcomer" (no pun intended) a very uncomfortable position. I would like to find a guy that I can stay with for an extended period of time, but as long as the gay male community continues in this fashion I fear I cannot make the first effort to "court" as they say. The comfortability (if that's a word) of being hetero prevents me from making that leap if it is into a heaping pit of over-sexed, unfaithful mates. I know that there are plenty of unfaithful females out there, but for the most part they have not been in my experiences. I guess the bottom line is I am bi because I still like females and the jump to being solely gay seems too risky. If I were to ever find that "right" person if he or she does indeed exist I would faithful to my death bed or until we separated, regardless of the presence of another gender to be attracted to. My primary reason for writing this other than a little disclosure in the vain of self-therapy I know there are guys out there who are probably in the same boat as I am in. This subject has, as I am sure, had plenty of over-discussion in the individual listee's private circles, but I have yet had the chance to voice my position so I hope I haven't bored or annoyed anyone by writing in length on this. I'm sure many of you will read some psychological issues behind my statements, and if you want to discuss them in private I would prefer that to airing it for the list to suffer through. Now that I look back on it, Chris put most of what I just said much more simply but at the same time more beautifully, the distinctions I am trying in vain to make wouldn't not be necessary if it weren't for this society. Take everyone, and thank you to those who read this far :o) Justin W Felonius Monk P.S. I guess the ultimate question for me would be if I met one guy and one girl to whom I was equally attracted, physically and mentally, who would I choose? That would be the question to answer my "true" sexuality, yes? Well I would have to be in that circumstance to answer, sorry :) "Often I tried the frightening way of "reality," Where things that count are profession, law, fashion, finance, But disillusioned and freed I fled away alone To the other side, the place of dreams and blessed folly." - Hermann Hesse, Wandering +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mariannebratlie at xxx.com Mon May 24 20:40:55 1999 From: mariannebratlie at xxx.com (Marianne Bratlie) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 12:40:55 PDT Subject: Sinister: John Irving Message-ID: <19990524194056.56042.qmail@hotmail.com> ..hi Has anyone read " a widow for one year", by John Irving? I am half way through it now, it`s excellent. if anyone has read it, don`t you just love it when he describes the main-characters parents, how they talk without interest for what the other is saying, ..you know what I mean if you have read it. I believe John Irving is a member of this list, or likes Belle and Sebastian. One time he describes the "Eddie" character (main character) as feeling sinister, yes -it is true, and... "I want a lawn like an athletic field," Ted said with a vengeance. "you want LINES PAINTED on it?" Eduardo asked. ......I mean, don`t tell me he hasn`t been listening to "lazy line painter Jane." John, I know you are there. Anyway, the point is, it is a great book, you should read it. Cheers! Marianne thebeautyofherelectridlightisthisdesireenoughindidethegarden ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ian.Halliday at xxx.NZ Mon May 24 21:45:38 1999 From: Ian.Halliday at xxx.NZ (Halliday, Ian) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:45:38 +1200 Subject: Sinister: Gambling Message-ID: I can't be sure, but when Honey said "Gamble in the fields and be happy" he probably meant "Gambol in the fields and be happy" although I'm not entirely sure. Regards, Ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pbelinsk at xxx.net Mon May 24 21:59:23 1999 From: pbelinsk at xxx.net (molly) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:59:23 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Dirty Dirty Fingernails Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990524165923.007e1c00@mail.northernway.net> I have this compelling urge to post something. Which is really unfortunate because I have little to say and took much space to do it in. I only now got the ambition to say it and the subject was ages ago, but I wanna recommend "Another Roadside Attraction" by the illustrious Tom Robbins to each and every one of you. With no one to credit my good opinion I don't know what to say about it to make you run to your library and check it out. It has a baboon! Really! If for no other reason (because I certainly haven't given you anything concrete) everyone should read it because of MonCul, the baboon. He knows the secret of what rhymes whith "orange". But he won't tell you. I'm going to write a story for the Sinister Midnight Lending Library. It's going to be a social commentary on life inside a mailing list. The rise. The fall. The devolution of it all. Or maybe not. I've never stuck anything up my nose or ears, but my mouth is a different story. I have no gag reflexes, thanx to some monstrous and frequent cases of tonsilitis that numbed the inside of my throat for good. I can use my toothbrush to scrub my tonsils if I so wish. And I do! (wish to have sparkly clean tonsils) I used to stick pencils and other long things down my throat in the third grade, when we were supposed to be reading. I needed practice because I was hoping I could make a career out of it. Nothing's come up yet. My friend stuck a toilet plunger on her face once and passed out after she couldn't pull it off. And my dad cut off his ear last year on Valentine's Day and almost had to get a new one. They sewed it back on and it stuck out and looked funny for a long time. It was all bloody and crusty too. I tried the archive but it was sick. In CHICKFACTOR they're in New York, righty? the line "my little girl I can't find/she's five hours behind" Shouldn't it be five hours AHEAD? (that was my "content" I've been saving it up) Mmmmm MSG. I have a big fat bag of fortune cookies which I have been subsiding on for the past three days. If my fate lies in a fortune cookie (and the cookie confirms this, though I have my doubts) then it is in a pile before me. What I have learned so far: My fates predict that my best success will come through a life of trade, the next favor I ask for will be granted, a friend asks only for my time, not my monkey, many receive advice, only the wise profit from it, I am the center of every groups attention, the eyes believe themselve/the ear believe other people, I will find release from my cares and have a good time, and I will overcome many harships. the coup de grace: "There are always more fish in the sea, not as cute, nor as rich, but fish nevertheless" (????? Who let Ann Landers into the fortune factory?) I can't figure it out. Some people's posts make me wanna look at every syllable and others I can only skim. I just wrote all this and I can't even bring myself to read more than the first and last word of each paragraph. maybe the secret is writing like this. I doubt it. TaTa, Molly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rap101 at xxx.uk Mon May 24 22:42:22 1999 From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 22:42:22 +0100 () Subject: Sinister: milestones, bunny carnage, and nick drake Message-ID: i return, a sadder and a wiser (and a more prone to qutoing Coleridge) girl. degree is over. life is, allegedly, beginning. i find this mildly distressing, but i don't suppose i'll get much sympathy from those of you who have worked for a living for years. i discount pop stars of course. the people who are disturbed by rabbits would have been delighted by Two Fat Ladies tonight - they minced up some bunny legs and then flattened some bunny fillets and made a big sandwich thing out of the resulting mess. i'm not squeamish but: yuck. i'm quite excited at the moment by the prospect of the only potentially decent bit of entertainment for decades coming to York. (terrorvision are playing at my graduation ball but i think they're silly.) on sunday the lovely venue Fibbers is hosting a Nick Drake tribute night, which could be hideous and could be great (i think there has been one somewhere else recently - same people?). i'm going anyway, and if anyone thinks they'd like to come too then that would be splendid. come on northeners (and intrepid southeners, for that matter), i know you're out there. mail me for details/tickets. i got my long-awaited b&s badges in the post a few days ago. now trying to work out how to adorn myself and my accessories with them without looking like a try-hard teenager. fully expecting a stroke at the age of 24, archel xxx ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Playforth do something pretty while you can don't be afraid rap101 at york.ac.uk skating a pirouette on ice is cool http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Mon May 24 23:01:52 1999 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:01:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Kissing her's like licking a battery... In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990524165923.007e1c00@mail.northernway.net> Message-ID: Well I had several things I wanted to say in response to various posts, but we lost email / web access for a couple of days, and when it came back all the mails arrived in the wrong order so I'm now hopelessly confused as to what people have been talking about. For some reason, the university's internet link with the outside world broke, and Cable and Wireless took tw days to fix it. Our favourite updates we received on their progress were "An engineer has gone down to London to check the switch", and the classic "C&W engineers went to investigate the fault, but couldn't get into their building". On Mon, 24 May 1999, molly wrote: > I tried the archive but it was sick. In CHICKFACTOR they're in New York, > righty? > the line "my little girl I can't find/she's five hours behind" > Shouldn't it be five hours AHEAD? (that was my "content" I've been saving > it up) Well yes, it should, but it would make it a bit harder to come up with a decent rhyme for it... How about "my little girl's asleep in bed / she's five hours ahead"? Or perhaps "my little dog's dead / they're five hours ahead"? Not quite got the same ring to it somehow... Like Tim, I also had a very B&S weekend. An old friend, Simon Laborg (or Si for short) was visiting with his 18-year-old sister Judy. We went to see a parade through town, and were all very impressed by the man dressed in a Scooby Doo costume riding a bicycle on its back wheel only (yep, you've guessed it, a Dog On Wheelie). After dinner (he didn't like it, so I ended up eating most of Laborg's Pasty), we went to see a fireworks display, which was a bit disappointing - a short flash of light, then another about twice as long, then a third even longer flash. Judy was feeling tired, so she ended up sitting on my lap, much to the worry of Simon - he threatened me with all sorts of physical violence if my hands were touching Si's sister in the wrong places. Honestly, he thinks I'm the kind of lad who still never does anything right. Then we went home and had a glass of milk from a large Bengali yellow-and-black striped big cat. And apparently Judy had a very peaceful night's sleep. (And in case any animal rights activists are out there reading this, I'd like to reassure you that we did not keep the afore-mentioned tiger in our kitchen so we could get the milk from it fresh. That would be cruel and dangerous. We left it outside in the garden.) It seems to have worked for Ailsa, so can I just ask you all to vote for me as your list crush? When I looked at the latest standings earlier, I was under Isobel Campbell. Actually, come to think of it, I can think of worse places to be... Oh, and could the one person who has voted 12 times for Trousers please stop now? Big Stu PS: Did you know that 75% of the world's rhubarb is grown in North Yorkshire? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Mon May 24 23:04:13 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:04:13 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Christs Sake! Message-ID: <000d01bea631$5bfa6f20$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Pardon the french - but MY GOODNESS!!! If in fact the said 'rumor' of John Bloody Irving being on the Sinister list is true I find it hilarious that anyone would have dreams about Stuart Murdoch. Not that I would wish to mock anyone about their dreams of Stu - but COME ONE people!!! We could very well be in the cyber-presence of TRUE LITERARY TALENT!!! Holy Cow! Or as Shaggy would put it Zoinks! Now that gives me something to dream about! Mr. Irving, if you are really there, it is an honor to scribe my meaningless opinions before your very eye's. I have enjoyed many of your books and well..... I am humbled. And if you're not there, I guess everyone can go back to dreaming about good 'Ol Stu-pots. Ofcourse, Stu's writing has a lot more in common with JD Salinger... any rumors of him being on the list?:) Snoggs, elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.uk Mon May 24 23:03:01 1999 From: ian at xxx.uk (ian) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:03:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: sarah cracknell's gay nose Message-ID: <00b001bea631$3ca7f0c0$a22f883e@default> i hope all your mondays were beautiful. i was a bit bored so i kidnapped sarah cracknell from saint etienne and have imprisoned her in my cellar. i don't know why really, it just seemed like a good idea at the time. i have tried to feed her marshmallows and whisky under the door but she's not eating them. its a little inconsiderate of her. she's not much of a house-guest really. i thought she might shake her maracas and maybe sing a few verses of "avenue" but all she's doing is screaming "let me out you bastard" anyway, i have a plan. i am going to write to bob stanley and tell him that i want to be in the band. i reckon i can pout just as well as she can. look out for the next single. and perhaps the band at bowlie (that free ticket would be nice) enough of that, i will keep you informed as to developments. lesley said: ~i didn't knwo there were so many gay boys on sinister. (alright rainbow ~power y'all!!) where are the big lesbo dykes?? i know there are at least ~two of us. maybe we can start the lambda sinister union association of gay ~belle and sebastian fans. hahahahaa i also know an alarming number of gay steps fans. one day, i would like to walk into a gay club and hear "the boy with the arab strap" being played. unlikely, huh? and i'm definitely going to be avoiding gay bars in oregon: ~ but for the boys (I'm 23, so maybe ~I can only speak about the 20-something boys), there seems to be nothing but ~cheapness, tawdriness, anti-love, anti-feelings, false machismo, etc, in our ~'scene'. chris...i'd say you'd just met a bad bunch of people. can everyone there really be like that? the gay "scene" is a bad way to judge gay people. any grouping based around nightclubs is going to be quite shallow. but i LOVED your comments about b&s and why they might appeal to a gay audience. pity we're spoon-fed such crap (like steps) by various marketing agencies and the gay scene seems willing to swallow it. if you'll pardon the metaphor. good luck with finding a gay boy who's into belle and sebastian. we shall make it our mission to improve the musical taste of every gay man we meet? agreed? oh...i was going to write something about marbles up noses but i'm far too tired. perhaps a little story to go to bed with.... the first time i took my nose piercing out i accidentally inhaled. the back of the stud went up the nostril and didn't appear for about 2 hours afterwards. i spent all that time holding the top of my nose, breathing out and thinking what a crap way to die having a nose piercing flying through the front of your brain would be. and on that pleasant image i'm off to rest my weary little head. and shut that whining bitch up in my cellar. i don't know why she keeps banging like that, but i have decided to play her some soothing pan pipe music until she falls asleep. talk about over-reacting. its really very nice down there. ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From RACALLEN at xxx.uk Mon May 24 23:08:21 1999 From: RACALLEN at xxx.uk (CALLENDAR R) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 23:08:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Respons to Response to rebelstrange's message from a gayboy Message-ID: I thought I'd just send a reply to Chris' message [below]. I totally agree with everything he says. Being gay, the 'scene' is ultimately annoying. I go out and have fun, but at times the whole bitchyness/competativeness gets on my nerves. Another annoying thing is that, if you don't like Techno/bangin' house or camp Hnadbag music (or remixes of Steps, B*Witched or Spice Girls) you are fucked. They (the club owners/bar ownners) assume that no-one likes 'indie' music. Certainly Belle and Sebastian wouldn't get a look in, even in the more 'indie friendly' cities of London, Manchester, Glasgow, Leeds e.t.c The ONLY clubs where I enjoy myself and wanna dance all night are 'indie' clubs, and only a few play B&S. For me, when they play B&S at (gay indie clubs)Popstarz or Room 2 in Heaven, it is like all my birthdays have come at once. On the rest of the gay scene I feel like an outsider. I'm not even very good at bitching. Anyway, that's my views! Sorry for boring you/lack of B&S content!! Bye!! //ROB xx -----Original Message----- From: McQuain, Chris To: 'sinister at majordomo.net' Sent: 5/22/99 8:24 PM Subject: Sinister: Response to rebelstrange's message from a gayboy I saw the 'glad to be gay' message from rebelstrange on 5/21 and thought I'd drop a brief (?) line. I'm one of the gayboys who is in love with B&S (I find Stuart M. particularly crush-worthy, but they're all so beautiful and I listen to the Gentle Waves every single day), and I have a theory: This whole 'gay community' thing, aside from the political belief that we must have legal recourse to guarantee that we are not fired or denied housing or harassed or threatened, is for the fucking birds. I have gay friends, I have straight friends, but I don't care in the least about gay/straight and neither do they. Maybe it's different for the girls, but for the boys (I'm 23, so maybe I can only speak about the 20-something boys), there seems to be nothing but cheapness, tawdriness, anti-love, anti-feelings, false machismo, etc, in our 'scene'. Going to gaybars is sickeningly similar to going to a college fraternity house where everybody is interested only in preening, asserting their superiority, and drinking/fucking. It's like a bunch of typically heterofratboys allowed to go out of control, all the aggression and 'masculinity' entirely out of balance. Some ferocity and aggression have their place, in girls and in boys, but surely not without some value placed on love, affection, consideration and kindness? It's a sad day when the most visible and vocal parts of your local gay (male? again, I can only speak for my experience) community are intent on erasing their vulnerability, anything 'feminine', from themselves, and I believe that's the day we're living in, at least here in Portland (Oregon, USA). Belle & Sebastian, whether or not any of them are gay or straight (and I'm sure they're smart and sensitive enough to know that it hardly matters), have an undeniably genderless/sexless outlook, a sweetly androgynous worldview that asserts the bright light of its innocuousness out into the harsh, competitive, mean-spirited world. Belle & Sebastian and all the side groups emanate something so childlike and comforting, it's really a joy to listen to it and know that the 'little people' and the 'little things' aren't insignificant to everybody. I'm sure none of us are overly concerned with our genders or sexual orientations, accepting of all of them. The things that bind us are so much deeper and more beautiful than gender/sex, which are only issues because of the cruel and stupid people of the world, anyway. If it's a surprise to anybody that there are a lot of queer boys who are into Belle & Sebastian, I'd say it's nothing but the most pleasant kind of surprise, I'm sure there are throngs of us who aren't obsessed with the macho posturing or the bitchy competitiveness, who in fact need an antidote. I've decided that the next guy I date MUST be into Belle & Sebastian, I really believe it says a lot (not everything, of course, but maybe enough?) about a person. And now, softly to sleep.... -Chris +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". 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WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From justin at xxx.com Tue May 25 02:38:56 1999 From: justin at xxx.com (Justin Williams) Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:38:56 -0500 Subject: Sinister: misdirected post Message-ID: <4.1.19990524203710.009a6850@delafont.com> I may or may not have just posted a personal e-mail to the list on accident, so if I did I apologize :\ Sorry to waste the list's time. Justin W +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Rollerg1rl at xxx.com Tue May 25 05:46:25 1999 From: Rollerg1rl at xxx.com (Rollerg1rl at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:46:25 EDT Subject: Sinister: sinister:i have arrived Message-ID: <1137a7ea.247b8521@aol.com> I have been set free to roam in sinister, I am no longer in the nursery!!!!Well as boring as this sounds this is all I have to say, sorry it's so boring. Just giving me hello to all and welcoming myself here. Mary +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Tue May 25 09:17:45 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 01:17:45 PDT Subject: Sinister: a bit about shyness, a bit about happiness, a bit about phonesex. Message-ID: <19990525081746.77209.qmail@hotmail.com> OK, let's start this thing by commenting on some things people have said here: First, Elish hope said: >I think that there are a lot of people here who are holding Honey, Jeepster and the Belle's responsible for their personal happiness.� Which is a bummer because only you can make you happy, the music just gives you something to sing along to.> Couldn't say it better. If someones life depends on a Recordcompany/band/individual person (unless its a girl/boyfriend) then you're one miserable sod. Susannah said: >Escort girls, right, do they actually have to have sex? or is it just >taking old men to the opera and listening to them moaning about their wives?> Don't know about those, but my friend works on a phonesexline, and I must say, the things she has to do via phone are quite... strange. Like clapping your hands for 30 min because it sounds dirty like she had to do a couple of days ago, then you know what I'm talking about. Splat splat. Or running your finger on your lips and blowing air out at the same time because it reminds him of... Well, you get the picture. And Damienwreiuye said: >Q. What's the definition of a gentleman? A. Someone who knows how to play the bagpipe and doesn't.> How true, the bagpipe is the invention of the devil. Personally, I think the walls of Jericho went down the first time somebody tried to play the bagpipe. I don't care if you can play it or not, just please don't let me be anywhere near you. And sorry if somebody here actually Does play the bagpipe, but that instrument gives me the creeps. Now, My Life Story (arfarfarf). Finally got that Gentle Waves' album yesterday. 30 minutes!!! Personally, I think every cd should be longer than 40 minutes. If not, then it should be cheaper. Balh. Angry young man, I am. And I'm still waiting for that Felt album I ordered two weeks ago. At least that one is not full price. Want to say something in this whole shyness-business. Does anyone else have the same problem as I do: Talking to someone you have absolutely no interest in is so easy, I can babble for hours about my toenails, but whenever the person I'm talking with has some effect in my tummy I blush, stutter, can't look her in the eye etc? Bet you know what I'm talking about. Not that easy for me, since i tend to fancy every other person that comes my way. Or maybe it's because I've been living on my own for too long. You choose. Bought tickets to Provinssirock 99 yesterday. Held in Finland, in the middle of nowhere, but the best festival they have in Finland. Line-up this year: Manics, Blur, Suede, The Cardigans, Jimi Tenor, etc. So if you're on your way to Finland this summer, pleeeeaaaase join me. I'm the one sitting on the grass, eating nachos, looking lost, wearing my studyatstow-shirt and horrified because there might be somebody who wants to talk to me, and since I'm sure i'd fall for her I couldn't get a word out of my mouth and so on and so on. Hmm, time to stop complaining and go to work. Sorry about this bitching. I need to do that, otherwise I'd explode. @--->--- Jake "If it's not erotic, I'm not interested." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kissingdom at xxx.net Tue May 25 10:06:19 1999 From: kissingdom at xxx.net (Tony) Date: 25 May 99 10:06:19 BST Subject: Sinister: Pink Moon Message-ID: <19990525090619.8423.qmail@nwcst060.netaddress.usa.net> >on sunday the lovely venue Fibbers is hosting a Nick Drake >tribute night, (i think >there has been one somewhere else recently - same people?) I think there was a Nick Drake night in Portsmouth last month and I know theres one in London @ The Spitz on 19th June, but I don't think its the same people. Source: Pink Moon seeYa Tony ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk Tue May 25 10:11:44 1999 From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (poetryplace2) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:11:44 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Lights go out, walls come tumbling down Message-ID: <01bea68e$9c483fa0$046b9ac2@g5-200-3> +++++SOME PEOPLE PLAY MELODICA AND GET CALL ASSHOLES THIS NEVER HAPPENED TO AUGUSTUS PABLO+++++ How come nobody told me Mr Augustus Pablo had popped his clogs? He had something wrong with his foot, apparently, but wouldn't let the wily doctors of Babylon take a look it, preferring the advice of his personal "herbalist", Dr Bagga. What a shame. I don't know very much about Reggie music, but I know what I like, and I will be playing a CD or two in his honour today. Of course, this does mean that Sarah Martin is now the unchallenged Monarch of the Melodica, and should release a solo record forthwith. It can only be better than the Genitive Verbs. +++++OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON+++++ Ian said "I can't be sure, but when Honey said "Gamble in the fields and be happy" he probably meant "Gambol in the fields and be happy" although I'm not entirely sure." No he really did mean gamble in the fields. This is a reference to Oooooon's appearance at the last Greenwich picnic where she fleeced the lot of us at Rooolette, and then proceeded to spend her ill-gotten winnings on crack-whores and cheap whiskey. +++++THE WORLD ACCORDING TO TROUSERS+++++ Well, well, well. So, John Irving is a member of the list? Can I say, Mr Irving, that you are a shoddy nostaligist for nineteenth century realism, with some dubious attitudes towards women? No? Actually, George Steiner is a member of the list too. After my little temper tantrum on Friday, he sent me a private mail. "Remember, Mr Trousers, how I once said that the only valid criticism of a work of art, is, in fact, a better work of art? Well the only the valid criticism of someone else's post, is to write a better post yourself." Wise words Mr Steiner. I will endeavour to follow them. Avanti! Stevie Trousers xxx PS Can the person who has voted for me twelve times in the crush list please continue? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From biblesmut at xxx.com Tue May 25 10:39:52 1999 From: biblesmut at xxx.com (Beau Gestalt) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 02:39:52 PDT Subject: Sinister: jesus is accepting monetary contributions (help rebuild heaven) Message-ID: <19990525093955.16110.qmail@hotmail.com> squeeze the pulse from your sweetdarling's fingers jiveturkies, all hell in a well-satiated diper just broke loose from the sinister-fied nursery! *whiping tears & tomatoes from his cheeks* sorry, no more rapping, promise. well alright then, surpose we commence with a great big introduction to the freeze-dried entity you should all come to know as Tobie. shall we get started? *ignores 1100 sighs* good . .. i come from Los Angeles California, which, i regret to inform you all, is NOT underwater as of yet, but rest assured, were working on it. ive been on earth planet for 21 years [too long] now. i heard my first Belle And Sebastian song, Get Me Away From Here Im Dying, about 2 months ago and up until that magical day i wouldnt say i didnt "believe" in love-at-first-sight, but i never had a reason to concider it, you dig what im saying, mama? B&S is so me, i can honestly bring myself to the verge of tears just from the melodies of their tunes. i already possess Arab Strap, Sinister, Lazy Line Painter Jane, & Dog On Wheels. my other two favorite bands of all time are Pavement & Mansun. and i wanna be british really really bad and stuff, yes. well look here, im not certain just how long that nursery soiree lasted, but it seemed an eternity and i only had to stand by and watch about a hundred threads pass me up and all i could do was squirm and bite my nails to the cuticles with anticipation. so im going to let fly a few responces to things that might be a bit dead by now, but ill keep 'em brief, scouts honor . . .. ((One)) DR PEPPER, FULL STOP !! ! ! all you pro-Pepperers out there, you made my day, way to go. im headed for Texas in July and greatly anticipating my trip to the Dr Pepper factory. anybody that will be in Texas during that time should surely get at me. indeed, starting now im organizing a B&S picnic/Dr Pepper plant tour, so ALL ABOARD! were also concidering hosting a Lou Barlow birthday party on the 17th of July, which, if happens at all, will be in Texas as well. ((Oneandahalf)) umm, knowhat i began writing my thoughts on those FunkySeb[aceous] half-steppin' shenanigans, but it wasnt pretty and i started getting a terrible pain directly behind my purpley mascara from rolling my eyes, so lets just move on then shall we .. .. ((Two)) i feel, dispite the 1100 brothers and sisters, primates and space-aliens out there, nobody here should feel it unfitting to post all those puny details of their daily journies. thats the real swig of the stew for me, and i cant imagine there arent tons of you that would love hearing the wack-o shit that happens to your fellow Sebanites [pronounced "seb-ba-nites" -- dont it sound futuristic?!!]. well thats my stupid oppinion anyway. some B&S stuff, just for the heck of it: has anyone heard Velvet Underground's 'I Cant Stand It' ? holy halfnakedcatholicschoolgirls, the intro for that tune is identical to that of 'Lazy Line Painter Jane' . and am i the only one that heard the first bit from 'A Space Boy Dream' as "i dreamt i had to go up me arse"? and ummm, okay i give up, just what in god's awful name is an arab strap? no really, i mean it, im never this loquacious. this is just the first place im actually convinced that i not only 'fit-in' but could quite possably stand a chance at being accepted. just finding out that im not the only poor sod who's lips freeze shut when it comes down to any sort of public engagment has given me confidence to tackle [er maybe throw pebbles at from a safe distance] the world. oh pants, ill shut it now. have a pleasant day, my loving sweathearts! tobiesoup _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From A.Ward at xxx.uk Tue May 25 11:03:16 1999 From: A.Ward at xxx.uk (Anne Ward) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:03:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Bi now, gay later Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990525110316.00a6ac20@scooter.gcal.ac.uk> Hello All This has v. little B&S content so apologies in advance. Can any of you lovely Sinisterines who are either in Japan, from Japan or have been to Japan please get in touch with me. I'm going there later in the year and need some travel tips. Apart from that, Elisabeth said: B & S content -- I'm temping at a, umm, certain telly program where people impersonate famous singers, and out of the 5000 applications I've slogged through so far, NO ONE has written in offering to be Stuart M. or even Stephen Pastel. So come on, call for an application form for Stars in their Eyes and let's see if we can't have better 'indie' representation than Simon Fowler from Ocean Colour Scene! Elisabeth, can I be Sarah Martin, cos I can't play the recorder either. Boom! Boom! BTW, the student mag here has a B&S pin up on the back of this month's issue. Only, in an hilarious stylee it's a picture of the *real* B&S i.e. wee boy, big dog. Arf arf. Love Anne xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jeremy.Simon at xxx.com Tue May 25 11:26:52 1999 From: Jeremy.Simon at xxx.com (Jeremy.Simon at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:26:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Fox In The Rye Message-ID: <8025677C.0038EA39.00@gbemea05.emea.jwt.com> >Well, I've just had a weekend fairly bursting with Belle and Sebastian moments...> wrote Tim (yesterday). A funny thing happened on the way back from Bowlie... Spoon, Rols, Poppy and myself thought we'd stop off at Dungeness to check out the late, great Derek Jarman's crazy beach/garden/artwank affair there. Whilst wandering around in a daze in the desolate nuclear moonscape that is Dungeness, a fox ran out across the shingle, pottered about for a bit (searching for grub, I think) without a care in the world then trotted off behind a shed. I thought this was pretty much in the spirit of the occasion, then would you believe it, we bumped into a Major. Actually I think he was more of an old soldier. And he didn't mention Roxy Music, but we DID talk of the past. Hmmm. I love you all J.D.Salinger +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hopkinstim at xxx.com Tue May 25 11:53:30 1999 From: hopkinstim at xxx.com (Tim Hopkins) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 03:53:30 PDT Subject: Sinister: Come to Milton Keynes Message-ID: <19990525105331.45378.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello chums, It's already Tuesday and after Tuesday comes Wednesday and Wednesday is just as miserable as Tuesday was. Hooray! elle wrote: >And if you're not there, I guess everyone can go back to dreaming >about >good >'Ol Stu-pots. Ofcourse, Stu's writing has a lot more in common with >JD >Salinger... any rumors of him being on the list?:)> Funny you should mention ol' JD, but he was on the list until about a year ago. My word, he would post some ribald tales of his exciting life. Everyone liked him so much that we were all very delighted when he arrived for the second London list picnic. Unfortunately, someone tried to take a group photograph and he was off, running down the hill, shouting 'You bastards! You lousy, phoney bastards! You're just like all the rest!' That was the last we heard of him. Rumour has it that he still reads the archives. I thought I glimpsed him at the Gentle Waves show at the Improv, but I was very drunk and it might have been some other old git. Other famous writers who have been on the list include Iris Murdoch (Mrs. to you), Alan Ball (whose 'It's All About A Ball' is a classic football read) BlokeFromSelect, Peter 'Henry' Miller and the Venerable Bede, who used to give even Andy Dean a run for his money in the historical trainspotter stakes. At least, he would have if he'd known what a train was. Also, Bede was always getting the b-sides of Sarahs 69 and 77 mixed up. It's an easy mistake to make. I'm sure I'm forgetting someone. Oh well, no matter. I'm genuinely saddened by the news of Augustus Pablo's untimely demise. He is a man who has made a large number of truly great records and the world is the poorer for his loss. At least I'm the poorer, because I've been trying to see him live for a few years and now I'll never have the chance. Shame. I shall play 'East of the River Nile' very, very loud this evening and shed a tear for Augustus. So it seems that reggae music may not after all be a cure for all our ills, which is a great pity because I have been working on that assumption. I guess it was unrealistic to expect reggae music to cure The Gout. I should have tried a heavy dose of 1970s WHO. That would have sorted it. At least, it would have made The Gout seem less unpleasant. By comparison. Enough. Probably more than. Tim ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Tue May 25 10:51:53 1999 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:51:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Bagpipes and Tigermilking - faites vos jeux! Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E2266FB35@server1.HITEntertainment.com> Following honey's lead, I am going to attempt to reduce my hitherto rambling, pusillanimous phrasing into Hemingway-esque soundbites. Bet it doesn't work. Oh! Gambling in the fields...hmmm...Bowlie - chalet 650. Den of iniquity and decadence. Ailsa's entire savings on red 27. Fluffy's loading the multiples-of-three line, Alasdair's dreaming of nutmegging the bald one out of Camera Obscura and forgets to put his chips on at all. The wheel spins...like an eternity...Vicky takes the opportunity to sneak the Divine Comedy on the stereo while no-one's looking... Red 27. Bugger me. That's the last time I bankroll a casino. Except it didn't happen, as my chalet mates were too poor to risk their beer money. Pish. Oh bugger, writing short sentences is just too, erm, oppressive. Can't do it. Anyway, after Jake's rude words about the bagpipes, I thought I'd better stick up for them a bit. A couple of weeks ago, I got within a mouseclick of bidding for some pipes on one of the internet auction sites. 150 quid or thereabouts. Cos I think they make just the most fantastic noise. I've loved that sound for the best part of 20 years, I love the drone, I love the way the most uncompromising harmonies are created and make a mood unlike any other. I think it's simply fantastic, and when they're played well they are *the* most beautiful and evocative instrument. I think they're pretty much wasted on Sleep the Clock Around - sanitised and muffled, but it was still a nice gesture. More pipes in P!O!P! please... Anyone who fancies dancing and grinning like a buffoon and is in London on June 11th simply *must* come to A NIGHT OF TIGERMILKING at Upstairs @ the Garage. It'll be a spectacular night of frolics, mayhem, and choons you'd sell Tim Hopkins for. Promise!...further details can be found here... http://www.belleandsebastian.co.uk/cgi-bin/mboard/belle/thread.cgi?215,0 There won't be any bagpipes, though. probably :) Kisses (but not snoggs, that would be rude :) Markx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MWaggner at xxx.com Tue May 25 13:23:39 1999 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:23:39 EDT Subject: Sinister: Keynes and other things quick and dead Message-ID: In a message dated 99-05-25 06:55:32 EDT, you write: > Funny you should mention ol' JD, but he was on the list until about a year > ago. My word, he would post some ribald tales of his exciting life. So true... it's a shame he's gone. Even Stuart misses him, and announced he'd seen him in NY last autumn. Waiting by the rink in Central Park with his skates, no doubt. He was probably arrested for staring a little too closely at schoolgirls passing in their uniforms. JD, not Stuart. I think. We thought that might have been JD talking to Evan Dando up in the balcony at the Supper Club show, but he disappeared when Evan was thrown out into the street so we didn't get a chance to say hello and ask him to come back to the list. He might have gone off with that kid from ET. >I'm sure I'm forgetting someone. Oh well, no matter. You did neglect Samuel Pepys. He was an epic poster for awhile, remember? ... although it was kind of boring to have to sift through ALL the details of his daily life sometimes, especially when he'd forget to translate that awful shorthand of his. I admit to keeping a strong finger on the delete key when I'd open one of his sometimes. God, it was like a diary or something. The gossipy bits were always pretty amusing tho' and his account of the Stuart Restoration was right on-topic. Wasn't it him that always bid us goodnight in such a sweet, twee fashion? Trying to shoot down Jefferson Dirigible, eh? You wanna step out back? Ah Tim, "feed your head." You know, speaking of reggae (or what passes for it) I saw the Marley family at the last Woodstock revival thingie last year... they opened for Ten Years After. Alvin Lee looked like he'd taken to drink -- and suddenly "Good Morning Little Schoolgirl" seemed so.... dirty. They also supported whats-her-name, the gypsy one from Fleetwood Mac. Ava Gabor? no, that's not it.... --michele xo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Tue May 25 13:38:35 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:38:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: More pipes in pop, are you mad? References: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E2266FB35@server1.HITEntertainment.com> Message-ID: <374A99CB.5883F95C@student.paisley.ac.uk> Hello kids Stirred into action again by this bit of waffling: Mark Casarotto wrote: > Gambling in the fields...hmmm...Bowlie - chalet 650. Den of iniquity and > decadence. Ailsa's entire savings on red 27. <*snip*> > Red 27. Bugger me. That's the last time I bankroll a casino. > Except it didn't happen, as my chalet mates were too poor to risk their beer > money. Pish. Hey, Mark, you STAR!!! You can dream of whatever you choose (let's not get into the determinism v free will debate here, just go with the idea he can dream whatever he likes), but you choose to dream of me winning pots of money :) Sadly it didn't happen and I ended up cadging crappy Silk Cuts off Trousers in the pub, but it's nice to know I'm in your thoughts. Does Miss Vicky know about this? I had a dream about some of you lot last night and I was going to tell you about it but I can't remember it now. > A couple of weeks ago, I got within a mouseclick of > bidding for some pipes on one of the internet auction sites. This, sadly, is true. He asked me if I wanted to share the cost (obviously I've always wanted to part-own a pair of bagpipes at the other end of the country from me...) - had I had any consideration for the residents of South London, I would have agreed and taken the mouthpiece-type thing as my share. I'm sure there's a proper word for the bit I'm talking about that I as a sheep-shagging teuchter should know, but I'm damned if I know what it is. Sorry :) He then continued: > I think it's simply fantastic, and when they're played well they are > *the* most beautiful and evocative instrument. I think they're pretty much > wasted on Sleep the Clock Around - sanitised and muffled, but it was still a > nice gesture. More pipes in P!O!P! please... Some little git was playing them outside the university on Saturday when I was in an exam. It was neither evocative nor beautiful, just a pain in the arse. I actually quite like bagpipes, but not when I am trying to write a structured essay on the use of various internet protocols. And not in pop records either. "Mull of Kintyre". "You're the Voice" by John Farnham. Need I say more? The only good records with bagpipes ever are "Slap Your Cock Around" and "We Have A Dream" by the Scotland 1982 World Cup Squad featuring John Gordon Sinclair. I await correction by Hopkins, Andy Dean, Mick McMick and lots of other people with bigger records collections than me :) I don't want correction from Susannah, as I may have to pay her for it, as suggested by Pam... Oh, and Big Stu said: > It seems to have worked for Ailsa, so can I just ask you all to vote for > me as your list crush? which is a tad unfair as what I actually said was "go and vote for Honey". But cheers to the person who keeps voting for Trousers, as your outing means I am the real winner (unless I've been multi-voted for too). Now stop voting for me, it's frankly unjustified and my self-esteem doesn't know how to deal with it :) Glasgow Saturday night pub details will be forthcoming as soon as I have thought of them. Actually I am waiting to find out if I am going to the Cup Final or not before suggesting a time. I'll tell you tomorrow (about pubs, not cup final tickets) unless Keith steps in and does it first and saves me the bother. And finally...To those who have been saying "Belle and Sebastian are just a band/it's just music" and so on, certain bands DO mean more to me than just a pleasant distraction from properly important things like boys and stuff. But I am a miserable sod (actually there's a proper medical term for that which you would find on my doctors notes), so what do you expect :) I realise that it's not *that* important for some, but it is important for others. That's all. This has been a party political broadcast on behalf of the socially inept. I thank you. Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sleeka_sounds at xxx.com Tue May 25 14:32:12 1999 From: sleeka_sounds at xxx.com (Sleeka Sounds) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 06:32:12 PDT Subject: Sinister: The Truffle Club Message-ID: <19990525133358.4073.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello! Jarkko said this: >Like clapping your hands for 30 min because it sounds dirty And I've been baffled all day long. I've even tried clapping my own hands and checking the boys to see if anyone's aroused. Not a sniff. Ailsa, regarding the Glasgow meet up on Saturday - I'm a bit of a fearty when it comes to being in Glasgow on Rangers/Celtic Cup Final days. Please can we meet in the west end, so that it's not as scary as the city centre? I don't want to be martyred for a cause I don't believe in. Nyah, I'm a fearty. Do you remember Struan's turgid Saxophone solo squeak at Bowlie? That was my fault because I remotely wanked him off just as he was about to play. Sorry everyone. My singing partner Petula: >out of the 5000 applications I've slogged >through so far, NO ONE has written in offering to be Stuart M. or even >Stephen Pastel. What a fantastic job! Stars in Their Eyes is my favourite program ever, and Mathew Kelly is a presenter virtuoso of the highest order! My favourite bit is when they are waiting to hear who has won, and they're all in the little room at the back, dressed up as their pop idols and looking like total tools. Brilliant. Now, as for the Stephen Pastel, did you see it the other week when someone was doing Neil Finn out of Crowded House? He was a dead ringer for Stephen 'Peasle' Pastel, he played the guitar the same way and had the same hair and everything. It was funny, so funny in fact Miss Julia taped it. I think I'll take a photo of the telly and scan it in so that you can all see him too. Mark C: >I love the drone, I love the way the most uncompromising harmonies are > >created and make a mood unlike any other Mark, you should check out Greek Pipe Folk music. It's even more uncompromising, and creates a mood more unlike any other. I accidentally bought a compilation of Greek Folk Music, expecting a bazouki fest, like Zorba the Greek. Instead I got a lot of waily high pitched bagpipe shite with no discernible melody or rhythm. A drum occasionally sounded in the background. I would give it to you, but I already conned Honey into swapping it for Money Mark. Or did he con me? Mistopher Chris =================================== Visit the Sleeka Sounds Corporation http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~calnd/sleeka/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From M223CMellan at xxx.uk Tue May 25 15:34:20 1999 From: M223CMellan at xxx.uk (M223CMellan) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:34:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: feeling important Message-ID: <199905251434.OAA08441@mx1.rmplc.co.uk> Well..... Um.... the clouds are certainly heavy tonight....... oppresive eventide. Why did hemmingway and kerouak write in a seemingly rambling monologue? Stumbles the hell out of me. where is the list crush page? vote for the baby, you know it makes sense. If 5 people vote for me I'll mail my photo to the list. Or is this a no no, honey? Also, please stop the SoS talk, and let's all get back to being happy. Shy.. bullied...thats me. "don't shoot, please, friends" I cried as the punched me in the face for 7 long years. It stopped when I reached 6 feet. bye trala baby chris CRYSTALBALLS +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From untitled at xxx.com Tue May 25 15:58:29 1999 From: untitled at xxx.com (Robert Foster) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:58:29 -0400 Subject: Sinister: All the best boys are taken, all the best girls are staying inside Message-ID: <199905251058_MC2-7703-E8F9@compuserve.com> hELLO,oops, Hello, that'll teach me to use the shift key. Um, I'm going in hospital today to have a little operation. Do you know what would cheer me up. Well, what you all can do to allay my fears is to vote for me on the list crush thing, I've already put my name down so all you have to do is vote. This is where you need to go, as if it wasn't in your favourites folder. (http://listcrush.future.easyspace.com). ah, just as I was writing my message my I had to go, so I saved it and now I'm back from the hospital. The doctor pulled my toe nail off because I dropped a large rock on it and the nail smashed. It hurts like hell. The doctor said that I should put my feet up but I'm at my computer writing to you, aren't I brave. The anaesthetic should wear off soon and I'll be in real pain. So please vote for me - god, I feel like William Hague, he's tried to get on to the list crush too, but he was rejected. ffflip! Bye for now... PS, I've got to use a walking stick to help me get to places. But it's only for a few days. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From k.watson at xxx.uk Tue May 25 16:40:27 1999 From: k.watson at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:40:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Is this 4 real? Message-ID: <001501bea6c4$ea28b610$4e0129c2@sun> Just saw an article on the NME website saying that Glam Punk band, "The Toilet Boys" had to evacuate the LA2, after having set fire to the venue with a flame throwing guitar!! That's pretty good isn't it. We're gonna need to get our act together as R0olz (notice the cunning number in there, like 5ive) if we're going to match the fantastic Kiss-esque antics of the Toilet boys. Found a set of pictures of the WHO in full fancy-dress action here : http://www.thewho.net/thewholive/IOW/index.html Ailsa said : >I await correction by Hopkins, Andy Dean, Mick McMick and lots of other >people with bigger records collections than me :) I doubt it Ailsa, Tim's into Reggae music like Aswad and UB40, and therefore knows nothing of the wonders of Bagpipes in Pop. The bloke downstairs from me at work once played the pipes for Paul McCartney on Mull of Kintyre. Being only one of two people I know who play the bagpipes, oddly enough he's from Australia. Stuart Adamson from Big Country does a top bagpipe impression with his guitar solos. There's bagpipes on "Style" by Orbital, plus on the Edinburgh pipers doing Amazing Grace from 1970 or something, although that's a wee bit before my time, perhaps the list old people know more than me :). Incidentally, contrary to popular opinion, Comedy isn't the new rock and roll, Monkeys are. Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From franzmoz at xxx.com Tue May 25 16:39:32 1999 From: franzmoz at xxx.com (Francis Lovely) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:39:32 BST Subject: Sinister: Do something pretty while you can... Message-ID: <19990525153932.82832.qmail@hotmail.com> Another useless message from me (the second in two days...). I would only thank everybody who replied me about my question on Papas Fritas. I received ten e-mails on this band. Everyone was really helpful. But, because I don't have enough time to reply to everyone, I will use the list to do it. BTW, J.Irving is one of my favourite writer. I don't know the names of his novels in english, but I liked very much most of them. And why everyone thinks that JD Salinger is a perv? I've read all of his novels and it only seems to me that he's a genius writer. But maybe this is a perversion. I dunno. Love, Francesco. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah at xxx.uk Tue May 25 16:41:30 1999 From: sarah at xxx.uk (Sarah) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:41:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: auzgezeichnet! Message-ID: Dear you lot, Second EXAM over and done with. I mentioned Bruce Willis twice, and up the bum sex three times. I thought of Peter Miller when I wrote about up the bum sex. It was fun. Finished exam with half an hour to spare so I decided to amuse myself pondering how I would decorate the sports hall (for its where we were sat), and decided that a nice Hanson mural would be nice. Being gay? And liking Belle and Sebastian too? Blimey charley who would have thought. You'll catch them poofters liking the Smiths next. "oooh what difference does it maaaaake it makes none"... PUT YOUR HHAAAANSON, PUT YOUR HAAAANSON.... a Hanson liking Reef tribute band? From Bolton? Maybe. Hello to the tobiesoup person who said they wanted to be a brit. You don't want to be. By law you'll be required to eat soggy chips at least once a month. I had some HORRIBLE chips from the chippy today because the kebab shop was FULL and now I know why. I feel sick. They were so GREASY. I'd have prefered a deep fried mars bar. Which then again would be a million times better than chips and curry sauce upon which I have ultimate scorn. You know what? Internet geeks are NOTHING compared to computer game geeks. And I know this because I am becoming one. I get home and I switch on the computer and I MUST PLAY the almight "Bust-A-Move". Ooh Bustamove with your marvellous theme tune and cute little dinosaurs and stupid little enemy fishes I worship thee... Legendary Jim Ruiz Group. Any more information anyone? I found a site about them last night which I could not understand. Who or what are they and why are they so darned groovey? goodbye fellers and fellerettes, Sarah xxx (yes even I have grown sick of GOING NOW BYE!!!!!! but fear not fans it will probably return same bat-time, same bat-channel...whenever I can be arsed. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wbrooke at xxx.com Tue May 25 17:10:43 1999 From: wbrooke at xxx.com (wbrooke) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:10:43 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Seattle Pic Nic References: <000801bea30f$2df01be0$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Message-ID: <004e01bea6c9$24d92340$8b9ef4cc@wbrooke> Subject: Sinister: Seattle Pic Nic hello there i am in british columbia, near vancouver, and nothing is ever so pleasant as apastorale drive thru an' about the vertiginous dance of atoms and molecules known as the west damn coast...so, im in. if i can help, i'll bring picnic cloths....some fine vintages, whatever,,,, i would have emailed you sooner, but was not here! take care, and let me know, if you can! thanks william +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Jim.Schmidt at xxx.com Tue May 25 17:16:12 1999 From: Jim.Schmidt at xxx.com (Jim Schmidt) Date: Tue, 25 May 99 09:16:12 MST Subject: Sinister: fags, geeks & sex workers Message-ID: <9904259276.AA927649326@mail.newtimes.com> all this sexuality talk has been getting me hot at work...i might duck out for a quick wank. ian wrote: "good luck with finding a gay boy who's into belle and sebastian." it's not impossible...of course, i'm in san francisco and if you're searching for a girl who's a boy who likes boys to be girls who likes dogs when on wheels, well, trust me, they're out there...one night we were at a club and a local paper was there taking personal ads (for free drinks) and i was really "happy", so i wrote one that started "arab-strapped boy"...well a rather smart-sounding fellow named jim answered it, telling me how he couldn't believe there was another guy into belle & sebastian...well that was before bowlie and we never got the chance to meet, but 'those' boys are definitely out there...or maybe i just answered my own ad. hmmm. as for gay bars being worse than hetero bars...ha! you obviously haven't been cruising the het scene lately...drinking? people looking to laid? bad music? not in straight bars!! never!! although i do have to say that the indie nights in london do have a freshness that most places here lack. i was at room 2 a few weeks ago after bowlie and not only was it excellent to hear TBWTAS, but it was great to see such a mixed crowd...girls kissing boys...boys kissing boys...it's wasn't about sexuality--it was about dancing to good music. full stop. as for those of you considering the sex industry, one warning: i deal with sex a lot with my job and i have friends who are sex workers, and while san francisco in general provides a sex-positive environment, i've seen it take its toll mentally (as well as physically). innocence lost is never fully regained. and finally, my book recommendation is "geek love" by katherine dunn...it was the first book i read when i moved to california...i picked it up off the floor of some guy's flat where i spent the night and i couldn't put it down...pure imaginative genius...disgusting and beautiful at the same time. it made me cry and that takes a lot. cheers. jim. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Tue May 25 19:04:52 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 19:04:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 4 real baby Message-ID: Dear peeps may i just say there is a boy galavanting around claiming himself to be the baby of the list. Crystalballs, you watch it. I'm the baby of the list, and no sniffy boy's going to take that away from me, RIGHT. you watch it, or you'll be pushing up daises. NO JOKE* I was crusing (yes, crusing, surfing is for nerds) the listcrush site when I noticed Funkyseb has been deleted from memory. gasp! it's true, they sent the boys round! at least that's the only excuse i can't think of for the boy not replying to my mail. Mind you, if i assumed everyone who never mailed me back was dead, well...there would be many more tears in the world. I spent my afternoon scrappling around with an O.S map in my geography exam. I mean, you'd think I'd know my arse from my elbow well enough by now to do grid references, wouldn't you? well, no, sadly not...I was transported back to the nightmare of the geography field trip in Whitby, the centre of seaside drizzle. I was back on the moors, the huge paper map stuck to my face, preventing me from breathing at the sound of the scary-pushy-mum-sheep coming ever closer! miserable english countryside. does it get any better? Love Erica x P.s *this quite obviously is a joke. wotcha babychris! ============================= "Well i got back on and they were right now i can ollie, and i'm not so shite" Lauren Laverne, The Skateboard song ============================= +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hewits at xxx.uk Tue May 25 15:31:40 1999 From: hewits at xxx.uk (stephen hewitt) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:31:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Shoulda taken one step further and I woulda been there... Message-ID: <9188A3453EEED111BD7300805FEDEB6901AC67@PARK_EX> You coulda turned around and hit me and I wouldn't've cared. Ahh Eurovision shines like the light at the end of a particularly dark and twisted tunnel. Anyone who drinks and will be watching Eurovision should probably go to: http://www.cowgate.demon.co.uk/mit/drinking/eurovision.html POP Fact: this year's UK entry is written by Paul Varney of late-eighties Bros-imitators Yell! (only hit a cover of 'Instant Replay'). I'm afraid I cannot substantiate rumours about him being any relation to Reg Varney or that I am the only person on the list who knows what I'm talking about. Jake, Ailsa & Mark have been going on about bagpipes BUT without mentioning Big Country, who spent their entire career making guitars sound like bagpipes. Sometimes I feel that I should have spent my youth listening to The Pastels and Felt and The Smiths and Sarah things or even Augusto Pablo, rather than Bruno Brookes and Simon Bates. I *do* know a lot about music, but only top twenty stuff, with a side line in nineties alt-pop and I'm sure I must be missing out on loads of ace stuff, even though I can usually work out the 'mystery year' on Simon Mayo within two records. Then I think, shouldn't I be using my (steadily depleting) brain cells for something more important than the words to all the Number Ones for the last twenty years (and all the words to all the songs played at indie discos for the last ten years), and learn something important like brain surgery or quantum physics or how to change the wheel on a car. But then, I always do well in pub quizzes, so it's not a complete waste (sigh). Apols, happy mail next time Further Apols for large amount of Anglo-centric/Euro-centric references xoxo CarsmileSteve NB: Subject refers to the UK's 1982 entry (ie the year after we won with Bucks Fizz) 'One Step Further' by Bardot. > --------------------------------------------- > > carsmilesteve at geocities.com > > visit our website http://fast.to/carsmile > > 'So tell me what have you got? So tell me have I lost the plot?' > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Kt788 at xxx.com Tue May 25 19:39:07 1999 From: Kt788 at xxx.com (Kt788 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:39:07 EDT Subject: Sinister: Beware of little men in red feety pajamas... Message-ID: hey all you angel-headed hipsters, I have just read this book for about tenth time and it just gets more and more fantastic. I must recommend it, it's called The Season of the Witch by James Leo Herlihy. read it!!! unless you are one of those people who doesn't like books from the first person point of view. it is very first person. or unless you are one of those people who has something against hippies. it's very hippy. but it has some super quotes (lots of Hesse quotes). it's also very funny and very easy to read. I love hippies. And Donovan. It's out of print, though, so it might be hard to find, I dont know...he also wrote Midnight Cowboy, which I didn't read ,but I saw the movie. It's quite the classic, or so I've heard. Well, that's enough out of me. with love from the planet, Juniper +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jlphilli at xxx.edu Tue May 25 19:52:03 1999 From: jlphilli at xxx.edu (jennifer phillips-bacher) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:52:03 -0500 Subject: Sinister: CHEESE FOOD! Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19990525135203.0091daf0@students.wisc.edu> Hello darlings one and all. It's that time of year again when all the children of Sinisteria gather round my feet and listen to my long-winded and not very interesting retelling of the story of the Great Midwest Picnic. So do as I say, sit down for chrissake, shut yer trap, and let me talk. We had a picnic in Madison Wisconsin. Yes, there really are civilized people here in Wisconsin. We have running water and everything! Cheese abounds, naturalment, and Tim Hopkins was there in spirit. At least I could feel him eyeing the garlic flavored cheese food. Yes, you heard me: GARLIC FLAVORED CHEESE FOOD. If it's good enough for cheese to eat, it's good enough for me. There were 6 people in attendance (a huge 50% increase over last year's shindig), including the mysterious John F. Monroe. Mark Kolmar came all the way from exotic Schaumburg Illinois to join the festivities. Cathy, Lance and Doug E. Fresh were there as well. You are all jealous by now because you've missed the cow shaped cookies and pixy stix. Did you know that the serving size for pixy stix is 7 sticks? Fact. A smashing game of Jarts was played. Jarts are illegal you know. None of that twee-as-fuck law abiding shit around these parts. We are not jelly-filled danishes, we are tough as hell and we hate the pigs. We divided into teams of 3. In an attempt to boost team morale, we came up with a name: Manic Street Jarters. But like our namesakes, the more jarts we threw, the more crap we became. After falling behind by a few points, I adopted a new strategy: Aim directly for the opposing team members. I nearly got Mark in the noggin. My team emerged victorious, and I won't be modest....we RAWKED. John F. Monroe supplied the prize (a TBWTAS promo flat), which, instead of going to Doug and Lance's Jart Lodge, now adorns my bathroom door. Thanks John! After jarting around for a bit, we all went to buy cds and drink beer. I bought the new Lilys cd. It's perfect for sunny afternoons, but I really don't know what the singer is going on about. Then more beer. Then even more. So, that was it basically. It was a lovely time, and I know that all of you people in surrounding states like Indiana, Minnesota, and Iowa are all kicking yourselves for not coming. And too bad for you. :) ***How come no one on this list ever talks about POP ROMANTIQUE? *****The Onion. You know it, you love it. Satirical newsgiant/website based in Madison, WI. They had a signing for their new book, Our Dumb Century, a few weeks ago at Borders. The fellow who is Smoove B signed my book "I will sex you until the break of dawn. Love, Smoooove". Uh huh. True story. *******Also let me just say that it was not I who voted 18 times for Trousers. 18 TIMES? Good god. That's what happens when you go around showing everyone your winky. Would anyone like to see mine? harhar. But seriously folks, anyone who knows me knows that I voted for Isobel Campbell. If someone would like to come forward as the person who voted for me, come forward and let me whisper sweet nothings in your ear. Ok, I'll see you around in a few months, you carriage full of pishrogues. much love, jenn pb xo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SPRFNK at xxx.com Tue May 25 20:14:42 1999 From: SPRFNK at xxx.com (SPRFNK at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 15:14:42 EDT Subject: Sinister: CHEESE FOOD! Message-ID: <83ed1300.247c50a2@aol.com> i will talk about pop romantique--that album is great---when i first bought it i ccouldnt stop listening to it--i highly recommend it to anyone ok thats all about that kristin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From susannah at xxx.net Tue May 25 21:57:33 1999 From: susannah at xxx.net (susannah) Date: Tue, 25 May 99 20:57:33 GMT Subject: Sinister: John! John! L@@K! READ THIS ONE! Message-ID: <990525205733.n0026622.garton@mail.clara.net> Kids. Further to my last post, stating that if all else fails in my quest to return to full employment, I intend to become a cheap whore, I mean, high class escort girl, I happened to browse this comment: 'as for those of you considering the sex industry, one warning: i deal with sex a lot with my job and i have friends who are sex workers, and while san francisco in general provides a sex-positive environment, i've seen it take its toll mentally (as well as physically). innocence lost is never fully regained.' If only I had a shred of innocence left mate. Anyway, you're right, I refuse to do it with anyone I don't fancy. Unless I'm drunk or they've got wads of cash. Which is what being a prostitute is all about. Shit, scrub that one. I've decided to keep prostitution on the back burner for now anyway and go for something where no actual physical contact is required. Sex chat lines, right? If you read 'Ms. London' and 'Girl about Town' and those other free shit magazines they hand out outside tube stations, the industry is gagging for people to sit on a line and talk dirty. God knows I've the experience, and this time I'll get paid! Top! I mean, whats the problem right? You can sit at home watching TV, painting your nails, eating your tea ( sound effects a bonus) and just let it all come out. I've got a filthy mind, you all know that, I'd be a natural. If anyone wants to try me out, just to see if I've got the knack, ring me on 0898 435 7685 and tell me what you think. Yesterday I applied for a job as a Trainee Press Officer. The spec asked for an 'interesting' letter. Well, I was f**ked if I knew what that meant (** as didnt want to offend Enid Blyton, I gather she's on the list). I wrote these exact words, laughed at my own self then sent it off.:- I am applying for the post of Trainee Press Officer as advertised in The Guardian and as well as being attractive, funny and highly successful in any situation I encounter, I am also ideal for this position. Having graduated from The University of Newcastle upon Tyne with a 2.2 in Genetics, I can demonstrate that not only have I acquired a good scientific education, but I am not adverse to a bit of socialising. Blah Blah Blah about current job (yawn) My current employment has also involved a small amount of photography, although I am unable to produce any examples as they are confidential and not for the squeamish. I can assure you though, they are of excellent quality. I attach my C.V. and look forward to hearing from you soon, although not between June 1st � 14th as I am on holiday in the Caribbean, which is non-negotiable. Yours Sincerely etc. Well, I thougth it was funny, I suppose you had to be there, shut up etc. Susannah. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tinystar at xxx.com Tue May 25 21:21:02 1999 From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:21:02 -0400 Subject: Sinister: things stuck in arses Message-ID: <019301bea6ec$3db4bbe0$631e05d1@oemcomputer> two words for you all: upside down, baby. oh well, that was three. but it was also good. aren't you all so excited about the pending austin powers movie? i once stuck a piece of foam in my nose, i don't know why really but i was so embarassed that i had done it that i hid in my room all day breathing in through my mouth and out through my nose to try and dislodge it. i'm not sure what actually worked, but i know i got it out myself and was so relieved that i wouldn't need to be embarrassed by a hospital visit where i would be poked and prodded and have lights shone into me. my cousin put a macaroni elbow into his ear, and when my uncle finally was able to remove it he went ahead and put the macaroni back in. the same thing happened a few years later with his younger brother and a bean. i went to the saint etienne show last night, it was tops! i was the one that screamed "i love you sarah" when it was all quiet and she looked at me and smiled and laughed. i also have photos (both black+white and colour, what else is new?) that should be developed in the next week or so. oh, and elisapet, i met a boy named leonard who knows you from the avenue list, which i used to be on but got scared and never posted so i left. is he on sinister? if you are, a big hello! but i bought a way overpriced st et teeshirt, which is sooo lovely. it's baby blue and has the big glam sylvie eyes on the front. . i need to launder it, though, because it reeks of stale cigarette smoke (i don't understand why i never pick up the fuzzy pot smells that are around me). ohoh, and also i saw a boy standing outside lee's palace likely waiting for sarah et al after the show, and he was wearing a looper shirt!!! even though i don't like looper, i was tempted to go up to him and say hello and casually work b+s into the conversation. but i sadly didn't, i was tired and shy. it's funny how i always thought i'd bounce right on over to someone wearing a shirt like that, but then an opportunity comes and goes and i wasn't a part of it. poo. the above paragraph just proves that silly ian wasn't being entirely truthful about having sarah cracknell in his basement, at least not for last night because she was busy smiling at me and being drooled over by boys in toronto. i got a very exciting notice for an expresspost document waiting for me at the post office today. i think i'll have to have some snacks before i venture out, though - maybe that pineapple on the table would be a good idea, since it's chilly and grey and blustery and really more windy than blustery and not at all tropical. that's enough from me, i've got a terrible backlog of emails waiting for me to read and reply to because i've been writing my cursed essay for the last four days. so if i haven't written back, be patient, please. you'll get your reply in the next day or so. bootylove, jessicaxo ps. sadly, it doesn't look like i'll be able to make the toronto sinister picnic, as i have to work on the 29th. i'm sending my love, though, and trusting that someone else will take pictures of drunk listees. pps. it's just turned stormy outside so i won't be visiting the post office after all. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m (it's lovely being a girl) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From TWidmer at xxx.com Tue May 25 22:42:50 1999 From: TWidmer at xxx.com (Tara Widmer) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:42:50 -0700 Subject: Sinister: free blondie!! Message-ID: <81C1FB3F4D1ED111A51400805FC1DF034E0B1E@amerwksnt01.xil.com> In a post more warped than the sizing system at the Gap, Ian wrote: <> As self-proclaimed founder and President of the recently established Sarah Cracknell Appreciation Society, I CANNOT stand by and let this happen!! NO! My crack team of bleach blonde go-go dancing hostage negotiators are on their way, armed with feather boas, so watch out, buster!!! While on the subject, Saint Etienne are currently touring the US, and I *strongly* urge anyone within cat-throwing distance to go see them, regardless of whether you're familiar with the band or not. A good time is guaranteed for all. Sarah is a total glam queen and although she's teensy, she could probably take Isobel in a fight. Struan, too. hi, my name is Tara, I live in San Francisco, and although i've been quiet I've been around for quite some time.. . for about 42 rounds of the perennial " belle and sebastian-ish/favorite books" thread, anyway. (I've got an ancient compilation of listee recommendations, anyone interested in a copy please contact me privately.) Interestingly, the same books/authors seem to pop up a lot, though one I don't remember being mentioned is "The Bridge of San Luis Rey" by Thornton Wilder. It's a very sad collection of tales about these lonely people who are all destined to the same doomed fate. Something about the way the characters in the book are described, and their approaches to life remind me of Judy, Lisa, et al. The rest of y'all probaby read this book in junior high, but I was in total VC Andrews worship back them ... Anyway, go back, read it, enjoy, cry. back into hibernation, Tara (who wants to know why a CD proclaiming itself "the best Latin music album in the world...ever!" includes a Beck song??????) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alix.campbell at xxx.net Tue May 25 22:39:20 1999 From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:39:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: bagpipes, madam? no, fuck off. Message-ID: <00c401bea6f7$0d234220$14eea8c2@big-comp> hello dainty ones as Ms.casarotto should have learned by now, bagpipes are crap. i only hope that should he acquire any, he will realise his grave folly, and cries 'woe, woe is me, what foolishness hath i done?' they are horrid. i want to poke pointed sticks intothe bowels of bagpipes. especially that bloke's who busks outside midland bank in town. i give him the evil eye, yet he plays on. bastard. ruining yet anothers days shopping for millions. they only give him money so he'll be fiscally satiated, and therefore able to pack up and go home. to explain: the reason that the inhabitants of chalet 650 didn't put money on the roulette was for a number of reasons ~ 1. they were in awe of Ms. casarotto's roulette manner. 2. Ms. casarotto's roulette manner consisted of speaking french. when inebriated french is quite tricky. 3. they simply didn't understand the roolz. 4. they were too busy spilling red wine on the carpet/ roulette board 5.we weren't playing for money. it was those little bits of plastic. hardly an incentive to try hard, is it? unless you wanted to see how many you could stick up your nose. i reckon i could get three up my nose. i used to be able to get loads of digestive biscuits in my mouth at once, you know. keith said: >Incidentally, contrary to popular opinion, Comedy isn't the new rock and >roll, Monkeys are. and i'd have to agree. just think about the HUGE monkey near bowlie. we took a picture, did we not? it embodied rock and roll. fucking scary too, like all good rock and roll. i work with someone who claims to have kidnapped robbie williams. but, somewhat cunningly she keeps him up her bum. i'm not sure about the technicalities involved, but it's better than holding popstars hostage in your cellar. you always know where they are, for instance, and you'd certainly know if they tried to escape. who else watched the documentary on precious last night? who else stopped watching a 1/3 of the way through? eurovision isn't about any old shite, it's about proper shite. not mediocre shite like bloody precious. i hope greece win. they always use interesting instruments that noone ever heard of. that's because the contestants funny uncle made it for them. out of old string and goat's gonads. it's similar to wearing jumpers your decrepid aunt knits for your birthday, only on national television. i'm opening a stoat sanctuary in the south of france in the near future. so far it's all been a bit like challenge anneka. leggings and huge walkie talkies. and curiously, roumanian orphans too. i'm going to train the stoats to hunt for mayonnaise. and to hunt for the remote for my cd player because i keep hiding it from myself in my sleep. thankyou alix.x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jimgrund at xxx.fr Tue May 25 23:35:21 1999 From: jimgrund at xxx.fr (Jan Imgrund) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:35:21 +0200 Subject: Sinister: bad joke Message-ID: <199905252236.AAA24216@front5.grolier.fr> > Q. What's the difference between a bagpipe and an onion? > A. No one cries when you chop up a bagpipe. Oh.. I knew this one with a lawyer instead of the bagpipe. Guess what I'm studying. Jan The Dark Site of the Moon: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/index.html Tindersticks page: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/tinderpage/tinder.html "Why are there so many skunks in Texas and so many lawyers in California? - Texas had the choice" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.net Wed May 26 01:03:21 1999 From: rebelstrange at xxx.net (Lesley J Miller) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 17:03:21 -0700 Subject: Sinister: have you ever tried it that way? Message-ID: <000901bea70b$2c45bfc0$2911020a@rebelstrange> From: CALLENDAR R Subject: Sinister: Respons to Response to rebelstrange's message from a gayboy I thought I'd just send a reply to Chris' message [below]. I totally agree with everything he says. Being gay, the 'scene' is ultimately annoying. I go out and have fun, but at times the whole bitchyness/competativeness gets on my nerves. mmmm..... i'd just like to state here, that i really don't have much of an opinion on what you lads have said as to the gay "scene". first of all, i'm not a boy, so i dont 'know much about all that.....;o) and i am not involved in any scene to speak of. i recently became acquainted with two gay men at my campus, that's about the extent of my personal contact, unless you count you guys out in email land. but it's nice to have started a conversation. it's very sad that all the gay clubs would play steps and spice girls and things like that. i guess it's the stereotype in my mind as well---those 'bangin' house musics like "aww-ah ye-ah....wannabe my loo--ver" you know what i'm talking about? im' sorry. that song just popped into my head. You'd think though that b/s would appeal to the population, what with their tales of disillusioned schooldays, gender confusion, and what not. and the fact they've got something for everyone on the crush-front. (teehee) i *like* bagpipes. i like any sort of pipes, esp those ones they play in Eastern European folk music, they soudn a bit like bagpipes but it seems you can get more notes out of them?? i forget what they call them. but i had to defend the lowly bagpipe! Francesca, on the JD Salinger thing........ his books aren't really pervy as far as i know. but it's well documented that he has a penchant for er.....young girls half his age. can anyone authenticate this for me? some chick who lived with him when she was 17 or something wrote an entire book about it. and he was old and crusty when it happened. that's enough for me to call PERV!!!! but i'm prone to that sort of thing. i 've known a lot of pervs in my time and i can sniff them a mile away. Sarah mentions the legendary Jim Ruiz group. i only recall one song by them, called "my Amsterdam" it was pretty groovy. but interestingly they will be forever linked in my mind to Papas Fritas *aforementioned* probably cos i heard them on the radio around the same time one day a very long time ago on the indie P!O!P! show. yes. you should all listen to papas fritas, they are lovely. "TV Movies" is the bestest song! you will sing along. *hello tobie* *waves* On the whole subject of bisexuality, it was recently revealed to me by a little bird, that Artgirl (previously mentioned super-crush and lust object) is, in fact, BI. eh-oh?? what have we here?? i sense......"i need some lovin'......" yes thank you stevie! could it be?? could it be SOMEBODY might have a design on little ME??? OOHHHHH the places we'll go..... gamboling, capering, *and* frolicking, LJ http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange they were like those gauche youths who turn up to house parties only to cling to the dark corners in chaste disdain, driven by the naive, vaguely inhuman conviction that all merriment is a lie. SAVE MST3K!!!! http://www.mst3kinfo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ehope at xxx.com Wed May 26 00:46:46 1999 From: ehope at xxx.com (Elish Hope) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:46:46 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Seattle Pic-Nic.... Message-ID: <001601bea708$d9d8e5c0$170114ac@PC266.nwmls.com> Just a wee message for those still too twee to post to the Bootleg board, there is a Seattle pic-nic in the works for June 27th. Due to the amount of people located in Oregon, Seattle and Canada, this appears to be something of a middle ground. HOWEVER! If there are enough people to have a separate Seattle pic-nic, then we will have TWO! :) Okay, so just email me if you are interested and I will do my best to keep everyone up to date, organize car pools, yada, yada, yada. Enough. Thanks for you time, foreign sinisterites!!! Snoggs, Elle PS- I cannot seem to get into the list crush web site, why is that? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnk at xxx.gr Wed May 26 01:26:35 1999 From: johnk at xxx.gr (John Koliopanos) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 03:26:35 +0300 Subject: Sinister: have you ever tried it that way? References: <000901bea70b$2c45bfc0$2911020a@rebelstrange> Message-ID: <374B3FBB.D04975FF@flash.gr> > Sarah mentions the legendary Jim Ruiz group. i only recall one song by > them, called "my Amsterdam" it was pretty groovy. Sorry to nitpick LJ but that fab song's called "Mij Amsterdam" and was their first (and only so far) 7" single, backed with the fantastic "Minneapolis" (the band's hometown?), which, funnily enough, was the one there was a video (showing the band in pijamas; Jim Ruiz cycling as well around Minneapolis. fun.) for. Star, they went on to record two albums for Minty Fresh (www.mintyfresh.com), Oh, Brother Where Art Thou and Sniff; the latter was also released by Siesta Records (www.siesta.es) of Madrid. They're quite a wonder, a bit jazzy, a bit exotic, a bit disco . . . nice pop group in general. Think a sort of cross between the Monochrome Set (not surprisingly, they've covered "the Ruling Class") and Astrud Gilberto. However, Jim's voice bugs me sometimes (his wife Stephanie sings miles better in my humble opinion). Go figure. Night night, johnk, who persists in posting about other groups and can't wait for the Geri Halliwell album (Schizophonic) to come out. Oh and who just swallowed a big spoonful of coffee (yuck!) in order to stay awake and study (ahem). Zzzzzzz...... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From SKittlgurl at xxx.com Wed May 26 02:53:01 1999 From: SKittlgurl at xxx.com (SKittlgurl at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 21:53:01 EDT Subject: Sinister: cheese. and san francicso. plus some other cookies. Message-ID: <8df98375.247cadfd@aol.com> i must say, for the sake of the list. that i ...sniffl sniffle...was a cheese addict. yes. its true. i was diagnosed as lactos intolerant about three years ago..plus a little incident with a kidney stone..and i cant eat cheese...or anything made out of dairy anymore. but i must say. ive eaten A LOT of cheese...and by god..i have never heard of garlic flavored cheese. whooosh!!...thats an almighty heaven i plan to go when and if i get better. oh...and all you cheese lovers...try fresh mozzarella in grilllleeddd cheessseee sssaaandwiches. your heart will melt. thats all from my part. *cheese does wonders for the soul* anyways. about San Francicso. god bless that place. ive had soooooo many wonderful experiences...that if i told you all the stories...youd laugh like youve never laughed before. ive met some of the most interesting and most hilarious people in San Fran. especially Wendy's...and whats really weird is that in downtown..near the fisherman's wharf...you see people in EVERY corner..holding a roll of bread with clam chowder in it..just sipping that thing through their teeth. its a very odd sight. oh my. the memories yes. that's it. oh... i called a nearby radio station..requesting a B&S song...(just for fun)..and seriously...they had never heard of them. i was shocked. seriously shocked. they said they *might* be getting ONE of their albums in soon. what crackheads. what *have* they been smoking?????? i also heard that Orbital might play a secret...not gig...but DJ at a club here in Los Angeles. im mighty excited about that. and something about Portishead playing a *hush hush* gig...for some movie background..i dunno. im sorry ive bored you guys. good luck in the hospital robert. feariebelle. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From luna at xxx.net Wed May 26 03:48:04 1999 From: luna at xxx.net (luna) Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:48:04 -0400 Subject: Sinister: S&B&gayboys References: <199905260155.TAA04597@turtle.esosoft.net> Message-ID: <001501bea722$2ed9b9a0$45da65cc@mcgill.ca> In response to: > ian wrote: > "good luck with finding a gay boy who's into belle and sebastian." Er, right here! And no, I don't like Cher, Celine Dion, Gloria E, Barbara S, or Bette M either. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mhintz at xxx.edu Wed May 26 05:05:39 1999 From: mhintz at xxx.edu (Matthew Hintz) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: upside down Message-ID: ian wrote: "good luck with finding a gay boy who's into belle and sebastian." I met my boyfriend through the Sinister list. I do recall in #sinister recently, someone asking if it were a chatroom for Belle and Sebastian or gay boys. I believe the answer from a few of us was that it was both. I am working as a cookie breakage tester this week. I have to wear a badge for the company; I turned it upside down to show my allegiance with... who cares. I feel compelled to turn everything upside down lately. Tim Hopkins told us that we had to wear our badges right side up in the real world, but as we know now, that was the Tim imposter. Next I will turn the Queen Mum upside down and no one will probably realize the difference. Turn Isobel upside down and she might sing better. Or I can turn the Eiffel Tower upside down as I will be in Paris from June 12 to July 25. If any French listees would like to meet, I must warn you all that my mother is stocking me with cranberry jam to give as gifts. I will be very quiet and polite as I can not speak French very well. 'J'adore Belle et Sebastian' is a start. Living and loving Matthew --------------------- Stolen Kisses http://members.tripod.com/stolenkisses stolkisses at aol.com/mphintz at aol.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From COURTOLY at xxx.com Wed May 26 05:29:13 1999 From: COURTOLY at xxx.com (COURTOLY at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:29:13 EDT Subject: Sinister: out of the nursery and into the brothel Message-ID: Hello dahlings and dears, This is Miss Courtney B of Olympia WA. It has been hard holding my tongue for the past few weeks. There was so much trivia and such I wanted to share with you. Did you know Dr. Pepper was first marketed as the soda you drink hot? But about me. I'm a student at the Evergreen State College and want to be a librarian when I'm finished with school. I kiss girls and boys. When I was doing a series of drawings based on the Great Gatsby for class this quarter I got stoned and listened to Belle and Sebastian every night. Oh, and I have a tatoo over my heart of the strawberry from Beat Happening's Jamboree album. I used to ride my bike everywhere but a few nights ago I was speeding down State Ave. with a few friends and one girl flipped over her handlebars and smacked her head on the pavement. It was not a pretty sight but she is out of the hospital and currently at home with ice packs on her face until the swelling goes down. My most recent adventure was mud wrestling last weekend. I have photos to prove it. Take care, Love Courtney +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From littlearsonist at xxx.com Wed May 26 08:01:14 1999 From: littlearsonist at xxx.com (Marie Elia) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: "like foreign post i leave twice a day but take a week to get there" - r|m Message-ID: <19990526070114.21116.rocketmail@web120.yahoomail.com> greetings! 'tis late --1:50am, to be precise. and i've just had many cups of coffee at the diner... where to begin?? i left school last monday, and finally today (when i arrived home) i had to delete all 330 sinister messages without reading them, mostly. of course, i had to see what all that iain business was about. but after a few posts, and honey's infinitely wise administration skills displayed, i said fuck all to it and just deleted everything. i tried to scan my 330 messages at first. that lasted to about, oh, 45. anyway.... so i've been all around ohio and pittsburgh for the last week. while in columbus, ohio, i was in a record shop called Magnolias (which is shite for used cds but good for new rarer things), i found the Gentle Waves, but no way was i paying $18 for it. also found 2 b&s bootlegs. one looked suspiciously like the blacksessions (which i have very good quality on tape thanks to fred via kimmy), and hte other had only 5 tracks. and both cds were something like $30. obscene! however.... at Used Kids (easily the coolest plac ein columbus, possibly in ohio, even the whole US -- no! no! must remain loyal to newyork!! anyway...) yes, at Used Kids, i did pick up lovely things like Braid, June of 44, Ida, and Jejune... well, my sinister darlings -- i feel like i'm posting blindly, as i did not read all yr posts (did i mention that i had 330???). but the last time i was off for so long (over winter break in january) i missed the underwear thread. at least i didn't miss anything so smutty as that. here, how's this for pathetic? yesterday, after dropping miss kimmy off at work, i needed to waste 5 hours in the suburbs of pittsburgh. the andy warhol museum (like all museums) being closed on mondays, and the rain falling as it was, i ended up at the Pleasant Hills public library, finishing "Rotten" and rereading half of "The Handmaid's Tale." oh -- and the secret ingredient in Dr. P. IS plum -- i don't know if we established that. and had i more patience, i would have more carefully perused the posts to see where this whole gay thread came from -- but it ought to be carried on! um, p!r!i!d!e and all that.... ("you'd be better off, at least they know where to put it...") mercifully ending this: love, from her alternate email account, marie ps. kisskiss, kimmy! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Wed May 26 08:18:38 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:18:38 PDT Subject: Sinister: hair around my nipples. Message-ID: <19990526071839.9370.qmail@hotmail.com> Ok, time for a comment now: Well, I said: >clapping your hands for 30 min because it sounds dirty> To which the Sound of Sleeka replied: >And I've been baffled all day long. I've even tried clapping my own hands >and checking the boys to see if anyone's aroused. Not a sniff.> Thats just my point. To this guy, that sounded like penetration. Something slimy, I'm sure, but I REALLY can't make it work in my head. Maybe it's my lack of imagination. Arf, I read in some finnish musicmagazines that "The Helsinki-sound" is a hot thing at the moment in London. Well, I quess some of you know Pepe Deluxe and Jori Hulkkonen (who, you ask) or Jimi Tenor, but a "scene"...? Give me a break. This town is a small village with 600 000 inhabitants, and thats it. There's about 10 people who make this kind of music, and if they can create something like "the big next thing", well then hats off to you, guys. Well, what do I know, I don't care for that dancystuff anyway. But that Pepe Deluxe song that they've been palying here, that's pretty funky. Beats the crap out of everything that fucking Norman Cook does. Yes, I don't like him. Europop with heavy sounds, that man composes. That's it, gotta go now, these fuckers here want to record the phonecalls I'm doing here, so I have to start working now. Fun to work in the telemarketingbusiness, it is. I kid you not, this is like some fucking KGB here. They want to know what I'm doing wrong in my job, since this one project in here isn't going anywhere and I can't make any businesscontacts to this crappy japanese company. Dickheads want us to make contacts for them, so they can make these BIG deals. Do your own dirty work, I say. Sorry, I'm just not in a good mood right now. @--->--- a rose, love and other stuff that makes you feel funny in your tummy, jake, with dark hair just around his nipples. Looks pretty funny. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah_drayton at xxx.com Wed May 26 08:51:37 1999 From: sarah_drayton at xxx.com (Sarah Drayton) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:51:37 PDT Subject: Sinister: cool pet names Message-ID: <19990526075137.30019.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello everyone I was just wondering if anyone could help me out with a cool pet name. I just bought a gorgeous little Black Moor fish(the ones with bug-eyes) but I'm having trouble coming up with a name. My boyfriend wants to call it "Fluffy" but I think that's a pathetic name.....I wanted to call it "Superfly" but I already have a dog by that name so I guess i'd be overdoing the Curtis Mayfield/blaxploitation etc thing. Any suggestions anyone? :) Sarah D ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fredrik at xxx.se Wed May 26 09:33:34 1999 From: fredrik at xxx.se (Fredrik Appelberg) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:33:34 +0200 Subject: Sinister: cool pet names References: <19990526075137.30019.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <003201bea752$717ce540$c001a8c0@inventa.se> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah Drayton To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 9:51 AM Subject: Sinister: cool pet names > Hello everyone > I was just wondering if anyone could help me out with a cool pet name. I > just bought a gorgeous little Black Moor fish(the ones with bug-eyes) but > I'm having trouble coming up with a name. My boyfriend wants to call it > "Fluffy" but I think that's a pathetic name.....I wanted to call it > "Superfly" but I already have a dog by that name so I guess i'd be overdoing > the Curtis Mayfield/blaxploitation etc thing. Any suggestions anyone? > :) Sarah D If I had a pet, I think I'd name it "Major Tom". Or possibly "Riff-Raff". Or Belle. Or Sebastian. Whatever. A friend of mine has a cat named "Fisen", which translates to Fart. She considers naming one of the puppies in the next batch "Semtex". --Fredrik +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fredrik at xxx.se Wed May 26 09:33:37 1999 From: fredrik at xxx.se (Fredrik Appelberg) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:33:37 +0200 Subject: Sinister: cool pet names References: <19990526075137.30019.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <003301bea752$7376b970$c001a8c0@inventa.se> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah Drayton To: Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 9:51 AM Subject: Sinister: cool pet names > Hello everyone > I was just wondering if anyone could help me out with a cool pet name. I > just bought a gorgeous little Black Moor fish(the ones with bug-eyes) but > I'm having trouble coming up with a name. My boyfriend wants to call it > "Fluffy" but I think that's a pathetic name.....I wanted to call it > "Superfly" but I already have a dog by that name so I guess i'd be overdoing > the Curtis Mayfield/blaxploitation etc thing. Any suggestions anyone? > :) Sarah D If I had a pet, I think I'd name it "Major Tom". Or possibly "Riff-Raff". Or Belle. Or Sebastian. Whatever. A friend of mine has a cat named "Fisen", which translates to Fart. She considers naming one of the puppies in the next batch "Semtex". --Fredrik +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Paulfie at xxx.uk Wed May 26 09:31:54 1999 From: Paulfie at xxx.uk (Paul Field) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:31:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I didn't realise you wrote such bloody awful poetry Message-ID: <8183113A18D5D111B27F00600851444C7BC915@OASIS_NT07> Hello! I'm after some advice from the literary crowd out there. I've been asked to do a reading at a friends wedding, and I was hoping somebody out there in sinisterland had any suggestions as I know more about pottery than poetry. I'd like something a bit different to the regular wedding poems, but still suitable. Oh, and short-ish as I'll be crapping my pants and I don't want to be there long. If you could mail me directly and type out the poem I would be eternally grateful. If not, an idea of where I could find it. I believe Mr. Stevie Trousers may be able to help me here??? Where's that parrot buggered off to now anyway? They're never there when you need them. Whilst I'm here....Molly recommended Tom Robbins' "Another Roadside Attraction". I definitely second this, but my favourite by him is "Still Life With Woodpecker". It celebrates smokers and red-heads and I'm both. All his books are great except "Half asleep in frog pajamas", which I think is pap. And "Skinny legs and all" as I've never read it, so I don't know. Big Stu wote: Oh, and could the one person who has voted 12 times for Trousers please stop now? I promise it wasn't me in an attempt to obtain advice through flattery. Thanks & goodbye Paul xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Bertrand.Caron at xxx.se Wed May 26 08:57:52 1999 From: Bertrand.Caron at xxx.se (Bertrand Caron) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:57:52 +0200 Subject: Sinister: cool pet names References: <19990526075137.30019.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <374BA980.D7F3BB84@uab.ericsson.se> Sarah Drayton wrote: > > Hello everyone > I was just wondering if anyone could help me out with a cool pet name. I > just bought a gorgeous little Black Moor fish(the ones with bug-eyes) but > I'm having trouble coming up with a name. My boyfriend wants to call it > "Fluffy" but I think that's a pathetic name.....I wanted to call it > "Superfly" but I already have a dog by that name so I guess i'd be overdoing > the Curtis Mayfield/blaxploitation etc thing. Any suggestions anyone? > :) Sarah D I suggest diabologum or bubblegum... or anything ending by gum... I don't know why but I like the names ending by gum except chewinggum but well... And diabologum is the best french band ever existed (but they splitted...snif)and bubblegum is a song(I love the sonic youth version) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From coool_air at xxx.com Wed May 26 10:37:45 1999 From: coool_air at xxx.com (Claire Timmins) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 02:37:45 PDT Subject: Sinister: Tonight Jeremy... Message-ID: <19990526093746.14293.qmail@hotmail.com> Oh good morning, Elisabeth said: So come on, call for an application form for Stars in their Eyes and let's see if we can't have better 'indie' representation than Simon Fowler from Ocean Colour Scene! The number is: 0870 400 4000 You go girl. I once possessed such an item of great worth. It sat and sat until I could work out which famous diva I could impersonate on national tv. Shirley Bassey? - always done, Cyndi Lauper? Shirley Manson? Carol Decker? Boy it was tough, by the time Bonnie Tyler was settled on my time was up. Shame really, I had enlisted my own backing band and 'turn arounder' for the one off gig as well. Due to continuous pressure from forces I hate to mention, I may have to send away again. By the way I've just copyrighted the Bonnie idea, so hands off you soft rockers!!! Claire ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelrebel at xxx.uk Wed May 26 12:02:45 1999 From: rebelrebel at xxx.uk (Jane Blackall) Date: Wed, 26 May 99 12:02:45 BST Subject: Sinister: ...any London picnics on the horizon? Message-ID: Hello all! Just a quickie - I seem to remember mention being made of a picnic in Greenwich park this weekend, are there any definite plans on that front yet? In the name of community spirit it'd be nice to see us all holding hands round the camp fire once again... love, Janey +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Wed May 26 12:13:52 1999 From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:13:52 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: cool pet names In-Reply-To: <19990526075137.30019.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Hey folks! My dad used to teach in a first school and once they inherited a couple of guinea pigs ( which can only survive on first school air) called Fluff and Muff. Then Fluff died and parents wondered why my dad had a guinea pig called Muff. If anyone has ever seen a guinea pig that is not in a school or in a pen with a rabbit, could you let me know? I'd like to put it in my I Spy book of pets - they're very rare, you know. It used to be my ambition when I was young to play either the bagpipes or the trombone. In the end I learnt how to play the trombone, and although my Scottish Aunty Margaret would send me bagpipe magazines every month trying to make me change my mind, I never did. Sometimes I still wish I had learnt to play them, although as my dad said at the time "it would mean building a soundproof shed at the bottom of the garden". Funny how I always e-mail more when I'm supposed to be revising. Bye Robin xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Wed May 26 12:58:21 1999 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:58:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: My Lovely Horse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Which is obviously the best song to come out of Eurovision since Abba... On Wed, 26 May 1999, Matthew Hintz wrote: > Next I will turn the Queen Mum upside down and no one will probably > realize the difference. Turn Isobel upside down and she might sing > better. You don't want to turn the Queen Mum upside down, all her spare parts would fall out. And besides, everyone knows that the Queen Mum is in fact Yoda, and you don't want to mess with Yoda... Why is it that whichever town (in Britain at least) you go to, there's always a busker playing the bagpipes? Our local one down in Cambridge must be a madman, he's only ever seen when it's really hot weather, and then he stands in the sun for hours wearing full highland dress. Buskers round here are getting more imaginative though - a few months ago we had the first sighting of a man sitting in the Market Square playing a didgeridoo, and now there's someone playing a bowed saw opposite Sainsbury's... Pay for sex. It's cheaper in the long run. Big Stu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From k.watson at xxx.uk Wed May 26 13:27:55 1999 From: k.watson at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:27:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Cola Boy (Monkeys/10 Roddington Place) Message-ID: <004101bea773$37be7960$4e0129c2@sun> There's something quite funny happening down the street from me, recently there's been a load of graffiti all over the subway by some bloke calling himself "Cola boy", which you can tell, because he keeps sticking his name all over the place. However, over the last couple of days, other locals have started taking the piss, as there's been graffiti by "Irn Bru man" and "Tizer girl" and so on. Made me laugh. Sarah - I'd continue along the Blaxploitation theme for your fish's name, it's definitely the way to go. What about "Truck Turner" or something like that. I'm not too impressed by the collection of writers on the list, the only author that I've ever read all the books they wrote has been Roger Hargreaves. On a Captain Birdseye theme, I'm also told that Roger Hargreaves is in fact a woman. Someone on the list cleared up the Birdseye mystery, but can someone clear up the Hargreaves mystery, is he/she in fact a Mrs.Man! Hey, I've done a web page, if you're exceptionally bored, go and look at http://home.freeuk.net/keith.watson But before you do that, be aware that there's hardly anything there (only stuff on the pictures page) and it only works in Internet Explorer! Some computer programmer I am! I'll stick in some photographs of various things maybe tonight. Probably should scan in some of the B+S picnic photos. I'm also going to stick on the wonderful Warhol-esque portrait I did of Rodd-Job Begbie, if that's alright with you Rodddney. Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hopkinstim at xxx.com Wed May 26 13:32:56 1999 From: hopkinstim at xxx.com (Tim Hopkins) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 05:32:56 PDT Subject: Sinister: The Maris Patch Message-ID: <19990526123257.37216.qmail@hotmail.com> Loads of unjustifiably irrelevant crap follows. Am I sorry? I am not. Michele wrote: >You did neglect Samuel Pepys. He was an epic poster for awhile, remember? Yeah, frankly I thought he was a bit of a wanker. He was always on-topic, apart when he was whining about some fire or other. I hope someone's buried his bloody diaries. And he definitely needed a haircut that time he came down the Poetry Caff Social. >Wasn't it him that always bid us >goodnight in such a sweet, twee fashion? No, you're thinking of Beatrix Potter, who learned all she knew about storytelling from Mistopher Chris Leonard's Little Struan stories. She's still on the digest, though. You should have seen the abuse she sent me after I joined in with the regrettably short-lived anti-rabbit thread. The language she used! Oooh! >Trying to shoot down Jefferson Dirigible, eh? You wanna step out back? Um, if they're playing in here, then sure. Come now, Michele, everyone knows Jefferson Rickshaw were rubbish. Even they know they were rubbish. Why do you think they kept changing their name? I have eight words to say to you on the subject: we built this city on rock and roll. > Ah Tim, "feed your head." I think I'll stick to feeding my face, if it's all the same to you. >and suddenly "Good Morning Little Schoolgirl" seemed so.... dirty. 'GMLS' is pure depravity. I saw footage of Dean Martin slurring his way through 'Thank Heaven For Little Girls' the other night and that was a bit flesh-crawly, too. Mr. Prefect Keith 'Wedgy' Watson: >I doubt it Ailsa, Tim's into Reggae music like Aswad and UB40, and > >therefore >knows nothing of the wonders of Bagpipes in Pop. Ah Mr Watson, how little faith you have in me. Everyone knows that the greatest bagpipe-featuring pop song is 'Town With No Cheer' by Tom Waits. I may be stretching my definition of 'pop' slightly here, but I'm sure you'll forgive me just this once. I have been scouring my memory for an instance of bagpipes in reggae, but have come up with none (this certainly doesn't mean there are no reggae bagpipe records). The closest I've come is the bizarre genius reggae/country collaborations of Hawick wild man and sometime window cleaner 'Champion' Doug Veitch and London-based Ariwa Sounds dubmeister The Mad Professor. Listen hard to your copy of The Mad Professor's great 'Dub Me Crazy Pt. 5: Who Knows The Secret of The Master Tapes?' and you'll hear a trademark Doug Veitch Scottish country yodel. And a steel guitar. But no bagpipes. Shame. Oh, there was that Jesse Rae guy who released records on sometime reggae label On-U sound, and who dressed up in a kilt and waved a sword around and insisted that any of his records sold in England should have a sticker on them saying 'Import'. But I can't remember any bagpipes. I bet there were some though. What we need on Belle and Sebastian records is more yodelling. Jen said: >Cheese abounds, naturalment Yes! More cheese on the list, please. I'd ask for a cheese thread, but that would sound too much like cheese string, and we all know how disgusting *that* is, right kids? A woman gave me some beer-flavoured cheese for christmas. Grandmother, I call her. It was quite pleasant but, to be honest, the cheese and the beer would have been better separately. I am well capable of mixing cheese and beer myself. In fact, I do little else. There is a fantastic cheese stall in London's oh-so-glamourous Berwick Street where you can find stupefyingly cheap out-of-date cheese which stinks and oozes just like a good cheese should. MMMMMmmmmmmm. I think that's where the Gallagher brothers were headed on the cover of that piss-stinking festering slab of dugong dung LP of theirs. Pair of arses on the cover. You know the one. Of course, there is always the opportunity to start a cheese-related crap B&S pun thread. You know, This Is Just a Modern Roquefort Song, Brie-ing Other People, that sort of thing. Just a thought. If I had a pet, I would name it Mixy. Short for Myxomatosis. Cheers Tim ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 9705516m at xxx.uk Wed May 26 14:32:19 1999 From: 9705516m at xxx.uk (David Andrew McNicol) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:32:19 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Silence is Broken Message-ID: <7DFFC8D426A@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Finally I have been given the privlage of joining you in the speaking world, how lonely it was just listening and not being able to participate. I missed so much, but I still want to add that Bowlie was great, and looking forward to 2. Doing exams at the moment, but B&S keeping me calm. Off to see the Delgados tonight at the Art School, so I'll let everyone know how good they were. Gotta go and do an exam, so enjoy! Dave +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Wed May 26 14:55:43 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:55:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Glasgow meet-up, and some crap jokes about cheese Message-ID: <374BFD5F.B20A6B4F@student.paisley.ac.uk> Hello children So you want to go out drinking in Glasgow on Saturday night then, do you? Well, come to the Uisge Beatha on Woodlands Road at 5.30pm onwards and do just that. After due consideration of pubs that don't have big tellies (ie no-one will be have been in them watching the cup final) and have decent sized tables on the off-chance that lots of people turn up, and is far away enough from the town centre that Chris won't be scared by football fans, and isn't too full usually, and doesn't play loud crap music*, I have settled for the pub I spent most of last year in, because I'm too unimaginative to think of anywhere else. If it were last year I could have invited you all upstairs to my house to watch the Eurovision Song Contest, but I have since emigrated to Paisley so I can't. Anyway, if anyone wants to know where it is or how to get to it, mail me and ask me. The best thing about the Uisge Beatha now (as opposed to then when the best thing was that I only had a ten yard stagger to my front door) is that all the blokes behind the bar wear kilts :) BabyChris, come along and wear *your* kilt and then we can send you to sneak surreptitiously behind the bar and bring us lots of beer :) *the worst thing, though, is that they spent lots of last year playing the Cranberries and the Verve. I suspect it's probably the Corrs now, but at least they play it quietly :) Bagpipe content - they had a piper in to play on the days of Scotland's World Cup games last year, which was great as they only have a wee portable telly and so only had about ten people in to actually watch the games :) Oldies, newbies, all more than welcome. Oh, the Uisge Beatha has four bits to it, I would say that one of the end bits would be the best places to get seats, but I can't say which one we'll get seats in. Probably the end nearest the furniture shop, as that doesn't have a telly or a bar in it :) If you don't know anyone, go to the photo pages of big people, and look at "KeithPissed". Then get to the pub and look for it in real-life. Sorry, Keith, but it's the best I can do for identification purposes. Oh, you could look at Sarah Wheeler's bus pass photo on the photo page too. Or Alasdair on the picnic page football team. There's a photo of me on Fluffy's website but I don't know where that is. Erm, I'll have an assortment of nice badges on - upside down too, if you want to go round squinting at people's lapels instead. I might be wearing a blue duffel coat. I will be drinking Guiness and my expression will be that of a Celtic fan who has either won or lost the Scottish Cup, depending on the result. Alternatively, if anyone has a house and doesn't mind us throwing up in it, I quite fancy a shot of Carsmile Steve's Eurovision drinking game :) Keith was talking about Cola Boy, so I just thought I'd say "7 Ways to Love" before Mr Carsmile butts in to show off his knowledge of top chart tunes :) Mr Hopkins said: > Of course, there is always the opportunity to start a cheese-related crap > B&S pun thread. You know, This Is Just a Modern Roquefort Song, Brie-ing > Other People, that sort of thing. Just a thought. And a damn good one too. Were you spying on our pre-Bowlie emails betwixt our chalet members perchance, where we had a similar discussion on cocktails? This was started off by Kevan Cooke offering to get a bottle of nasty nasty Tigermilk wine and introduce it to whisky and gin to make a "State I Am In". He actually *DID* this and took it to Bowlie. It smelt rancid, and I think only Alasdair was brave enough to try it. Anyway we started a long and ridiculous conversation about this, resulting in such Richard Whiteley-esque gems as Bloody MaryJo, You're Just a Babycham, Fox in the Snowball, String Bean Jean and tonic, Bells and Sebastian, Sloe Graffiti and so on until we realised we had far too much time on our hands. So can I kick off with The Stars of Monterey Jack and Field? Or You're Just a BabyBel. Or, indeed, BabyBel and Sebastian. No? Fair enough. Anyway, Uisge Beatha, Saturday, whenever you want. I just said 5.30 as that's when *I'll* be there (unless the cup final goes into extra time). We could always pop across the road to the Hogshead for food as they do bits of cheese deep-fried in beer batter, which is a lot nicer than it sounds. Granny Hopkins would surely approve :) Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tourajsig2 at xxx.com Wed May 26 14:57:29 1999 From: tourajsig2 at xxx.com (Michael Jones) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 06:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Ealing Hotsteppa, Mornington Wednesday, Putney Drains Message-ID: <19990526135729.29339.rocketmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Arise, fellow slaves of the sex-industry... Janey Blackall pushed the following note under our doors before slipping into night: > Just a quickie - I seem to remember mention being made of a picnic in Greenwich park this weekend, > are there any definite plans on that front yet? As definite as can be, Janey. See Jeepster message board for further details (summary: 2pm, Greenwich station, bring some grub). Paul Field had the full support of the parish council when he declared: > I'm after some advice from the literary crowd out there. I've been asked to > do a reading at a friends wedding, and I was hoping somebody out there in > sinisterland had any suggestions as I know more about pottery than poetry. Then talk about pottery - honestly, it's always best to stick to what you know in these situations. Andy Dean's fashioned a lucrative sideline in after-dinner speaking with his Sarah label-photo anecdotes and Trousers brought the house down at the last Rotarians meeting with tales of Stevenage Bus Depot. If you really do insist on reciting verse, then you could do worse than invest in a slim volume by former Sinisterine Linton Kwesi Johnson. His spell on the list is a fondly remembered one, though I don't think anyone really knew what he was on about. Eventually he fell out with Bob Clearmountain over a uncleared sample of "Inglan Is A Bitch" and they both unsubscribed in disgrace. Bob, of course, re-subbed for the digest posing as former Notts County and Coventry hardman Brian Kilcline, but no-one was fooled. Stephen Hewitt stopped flossing long enough to cast a glance over his shoulder and whisper: > I *do* know a lot about music, but only top > twenty stuff, with a side line in nineties alt-pop and I'm sure I must be > missing out on loads of ace stuff, even though I can usually work out the > 'mystery year' on Simon Mayo within two records. A skill not to be sniffed at. This morning I had my little pocket radio with me on the train and I failed to recognize 1987 (a Mary Chain song that I mis-identified four times to myself until the 'April skies' chorus gave it away and a Prince/Sheena number featuring the immortal lines "your face was jammin', your body was slammin', let's get to rammin'") or 1993 (a Manics song that sounded like "Sound and Vision" and World Party doing their Kinks pastiche). I may have been distracted by the clown sitting opposite me droning on and on about derivatives and market share on his mobile. Mobile phones in tumour link ? Natural selection at work, surely. Chris Leonard purred seductively: > Stars in Their Eyes is my favourite program ever, and > Mathew Kelly is a presenter virtuoso of the highest order! I think it was Chris who told me about the rules on blacking-up and drag (i.e. you can't do either) - perhaps Elisabeth would like to verify ? Understandable I suppose, though it scuppers my plans to appear as Missy 'Misdemeanour' Elliot on the next series ("Beep beep ! Who's got da keyz to da jeep ? Brrrrmm..."). No Lena Zavaroni either. It would be only be like little Jimmy Krankie in reverse. And *that* counts as family entertainment. Bah. Double freaking standards. Off to practise my "Climate of Hunter"-era Scott. Mike. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From acook at xxx.uk Wed May 26 15:08:36 1999 From: acook at xxx.uk (Alasdair Cook MS1996) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:08:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: In a big country, dreams stay with you, like a lover's voice on a mountainside....(or something) Message-ID: <374C0064.4628E449@cs.strath.ac.uk> Didn't Big Country do the music for the old McEwans lager adverts? The one that Ricky Fulton did on Scotch & Wry. Oh dear, too many Scottish references, must stop. Sorry. Bagpipes, eh? My aunt, who's Scottish but lives in the low land of Belgique has a neighbour who until last year had never ever been to Scotland but was a complete nutter obsessive about it, and dreamed of retiring here in a small cottage. My aunt tried to tell him that it rains all the time and is freezing cold and produces hard shagging dastardly cads like Mcgregor and "Sorry, no tax please, we're Scottish" Connery, but none of this was enough to persuade him, and so he decided to cement his love by learning to play the bagpipes. So when we went over last year to visit we were greeted by him, and he wasn't bad at all. He even serenaded us with Flower Of Scotland and cunningly finished just as we were leaving the house, so we felt obliged to clap and smile in his general direction. Strangely enough the entire family across the road are deaf, though they may have just been pretending so they didn't have to say they thought he was rubbish. But I thought he was quite nice, in a weird sort of way. Anyway I don't mind bagpipes really very much. I could have just said that at the start, couldn't I? Yesterday was a strange one. Had my last exam then felt vaguely flat and depressed. Got a phone call from my little crush person, her first words being "Hi Ally baby", which cheered me up immediately. Had a hankering for Godspeed... then realized I'd given it to a mate. Listened to B&S and St Etienne instead and felt kind of OK. Hmmm, what a strangely depressing though in parts uplifting last paragraph. I apologize. Looking forward to seeing as many of you as can be bothered to turn up on saturday in the official UK City Of Architecture And Design 1999. (Not as good as City Of Culture 1990, but things'll never be THAT good again, will they?) That is if I can use my powers of persuasion and get someone to swap shifts with me at work. Should be easy enough, as they're all idiots with no social life. No, hang on, that's me isn't it? Bye-bye babies (babies bye-bye) Alasdair xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Elizabeth.Kurtis at xxx.com Wed May 26 16:09:37 1999 From: Elizabeth.Kurtis at xxx.com (Kurtis, Elizabeth) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:09:37 -0000 Subject: Sinister: RE: Everything you want to know about Stars! Message-ID: <262810611403D211A8FF00A0C94CAF3B024DE355@QUAY-STREET1> Hello again, > Chris Leonard purred seductively: > > >> Stars in Their Eyes is my favourite program ever, and > >> Mathew Kelly is a presenter virtuoso of the highest order! > >I think it was Chris who told me about the rules on blacking-up and >drag (i.e. you can't do either) - perhaps Elisabeth would like to >verify ? Understandable I suppose, though it scuppers my plans to >appear as Missy 'Misdemeanour' Elliot on the next series ("Beep beep >! Who's got da keyz to da jeep ? Brrrrmm..."). No Lena Zavaroni >either. It would be only be like little Jimmy Krankie in reverse. >And *that* counts as family entertainment. Bah. Double freaking >standards. That's right Mike -- those are the basic rules, that and no one under the age of 14 (unless you're going to do Aaron Carter, and we have one lined up for an audition!) No drag unless you're Boy George of course, or Divine (though I don't think they'd have Divine...) or maybe even Dana...there are loopholes people! Of course these rules have caused problems over time --apparently there's a girl who sounds exactly like Michael Jackson, and writes scathing letters yearly cursing the policy. But without rules, how would Matthew Kelly keep us all in line? BTW, Chris is absolutely right, the fellow who did Neil Finn the other week was a dead ringer for Stephen Pastel, except he strummed his guitar in time to the music. >Off to practise my "Climate of Hunter"-era Scott. Please do, we're dying for a good Scott Walker!! Only it would have to be 'The sun ain't gonna shine anymore' and not any of his "difficult" solo stuff... ;) > Elisabeth p.s. See some of you in Glasgow this Friday night, I think? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ol01 at xxx.uk Wed May 26 15:19:10 1999 From: ol01 at xxx.uk (The Narrow Wizard) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:19:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: I wrote a poem on a dog biscuit/but your dog refused to look at it Message-ID: OBJECTS IN ORIFICES when I was young i got a ball bearing stuck in my nose and had to go to hospital to get it removed. I was very embarased. somebody said that a nurse told them that lots of kids get raisins in their ears and that they need tweazers to get them out. I however was always taught that if you pour melted chocolate into the ear then the raisin would come out a treat. PET NAMES my dog is called Tim the enchanter after the character in monty python and the holy grail. A friend of mine has goldfish named Ben and Corky after Ben Folds and Corky and the juice pigs. I used to have a gerbil called rodney but thats not a very exciting name is it. MISHEARING LYRICS someone thought the line in seymour stein was "has he ever seen ghandi" but then they dicovered that the lyrics in the cover said it was "north of scotland has he seen". I too first thought it was ghandi but im unconvinced that the lyric sheet is right. Does anyone else agree that what is actually sung is "has he ever seen dundee" CHEESE nice to see a lot of cheese related discussion in here, monkeys are not the new rock and roll cheese is. I recently bought a pack of flavoured cheese spreads and there was a marmite flavoured one and it was scrummy. Except it didn't look very nice and the people at marmite hadn't given them use of the name so it was called yeast extract flavoured cheese spread. LIST CRUSH was browsing through the photos on the sinister web site and saw one of a quite enchanting girl so I've registered my vote on the list crush site. I'm not telling you who I voted for 'cos I'm embarassed by stuff like that though. SUNDERLAND AFC rob I appreciate that you support the greatest football team on the planet but how can you slag off that song...come on lets all sing together Nial Quinn's disco pants are the best They go up from his arse to his chest They are better than Adam and the Ants Nial Quinn's disco pants well I think thats all from me...I may see some of you in glasgow on saturday but I don't know if I can afford it or find it for that matter. have a good one owen With that the narrow wizard waggled his bushy eyebrows and disappeared in a flash of blue flame leaving behind only a faint smell of cinnamon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ashin at xxx.org Wed May 26 15:15:23 1999 From: ashin at xxx.org (ashin at xxx.org) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:15:23 -0400 Subject: Sinister: seymour stein Message-ID: I agree that what's sung is "Has he ever seen Dundee." Is there a Dundee in the North Country? (sorry i'm a geographically challenged yank) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gburnsid at xxx.uk Wed May 26 15:27:10 1999 From: gburnsid at xxx.uk (Girvan Burnside) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:27:10 +0100 Subject: Sinister: seymour stein References: Message-ID: <374C04BE.D57CFE2@mcs.dundee.ac.uk> Dundee is the 4th largest city in Scotland, with a population of around 200,000 (I think), home of an excellent football team (currently not quite so excellent) called Dundee United. Also home of me. Girvan ashin at publicintegrity.org wrote: > I agree that what's sung is "Has he ever seen Dundee." Is there a Dundee > in the North Country? (sorry i'm a geographically challenged yank) > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dunca_chap at xxx.com Wed May 26 15:28:57 1999 From: dunca_chap at xxx.com (Adam Chapman) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:28:57 GMT Subject: Sinister: Mornington Crescent Message-ID: <19990526142858.5831.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello. The weather is for once fairly un-spring like [i.e. pleasant and sunny, well at least in Yeovil], the discordant strains of *roll out the barrel* waft through the open window, and on the sinister list, another newbie signs on after exiting the nursery via a well aimed toy brick through the window that is a voice.... Now thats out of the way i should say that its good to be out, and gamboling across the green fields of foreverland that is sinster rather than revising for my a levels like a good boy. Now to business! [this doesn't warrant an '!', ? Sorry, but thats too bad]. Few people ever bother to describe me but if pressed they might... However, i live in Yeovil, Somerset [ best known, if at all for producing helicopters, one of which is buzzing over as i type, a marginally famous non league soccer team [now sadly sans its sloping pitch], and home for a while to one Ian Botham. It is something of a musical desert though, b+s cds are thankfully plentiful if expensive. The same can't be said for fans though. Thats all for now i'm off to enjoy the sunshine and wait for tigermilk, [is it wicked not to punctuate?] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx... Adam *duncan* Chapman "Because I know that you know, that we know they don't know whats been going on.... " Gruff Rhys, SFA, 'Demons' ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin at xxx.uk Wed May 26 15:26:52 1999 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin Robinson) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:26:52 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Pet Sounds and 70's poo Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990526142652.006e9214@ampsys.co.uk> Hello again. Yes my, my what a lovely day for a daydream and things. I'd been doing a very good job recently of forgetting any education I have had, luckily being ignorant comes so naturally, until these continual mentions of 70's Who. As I remembered a music technology course I did as part of my degree. One of the assessments was to listen to 3 songs and analyse what was going on in "the mix" e.g either those are bagpipes fortunately low in the mix or someone's trodden on next door's cat Ploppy (just another pet name suggestion). The first song came in and was kickass punky R n B regular Who which we all know and love. Then the next song came on and it was still the Who, but definitely not one you'd want to marry your sister or anything. I guess that that was 70's Who. Then it got worse and this Prog rock nonsense came on and I started thinking oh my god what did the Who do, and wishing they'd all died before they got old and stuff. Then I found out it was actually Rush. It was an easy mistake to make though. I'm glad I'm amongst such famous writers on this list and do not feel belittled to write my crap in their company. In fact if their not posting they're probably reading our posts to be inspired to write their next literary masterpiece - so far it's influence has only really reached the heights of Jackie's problem page or was "Debbie Does Dallas" based on a novel? Oh another pet name: fellatio. Works best for animals you have to call in the park "Come here fellatio", "Come on boy"... sorry it must be the weather Te ra, Martin dictionary.com didn't have a quote for fellatio. Sorry. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From u02nim at xxx.uk Wed May 26 20:52:00 1999 From: u02nim at xxx.uk (Iain McGilp) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: The Ballad of Mashy and Tashy Message-ID: Hey, hey, hey, All this talk about pets, especially fish has to stop. Its making me maudlin, as it reminds me of my two long-lost goldfish, Mashy and Tashy (no laughing!), who met a most untimely and horrendous end. I sat on them. I'd rather not say anything else, as my eyes are misting up as we speak. Apologies to anyone in Dundee, but Seymour Stein is a jammy bastard if he hasn't yet been there. Even Dundonians concur that its the shittiest place in the world, with the exception of my home town Hamilton, which is generally viewed with abject terror by most outsiders (Fact: Hamilton was the first place in Britain to have the curfew imposed for under 16s. Now that's something to be proud of), Montrose, a grim former fishing port that is caught somewhere in the mid-sixties (you know the town in "Heartbeat"? Its like that, only with more neds. And a fishy odour), and Arbroath, half way between Dundee and Montrose (that's bad), which is like Dundee's scabbiest estate dropped on the grimmest part of the North Sea coast, with the added bonus of even more neds, a huge percentage of jakies per capita and a large military base nearby, hereby guarunteeing you a good kicking every night. For the rest of your life. (An example of Arbroath/Montrose patter: 2 minutes before suffering a massive heart attack former Arbroath F.C. and Montrose F.C. (now officially the worst footie team in Scotland. Congratulations to everyone involved.) gaffer Tommy Campbell was heard to announce: "Fuck me wi'a shovel, I feel pish!"). I got no more to say. Iain McG. ---------------------- Iain McGilp u02nim at abdn.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Wed May 26 16:09:26 1999 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (V0168JE2) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:09:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: How to maim your dad Message-ID: <199905261502.QAA02938@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> I don't think I've ever inserted any small object into any orifice, not even when I was little. I did poke my dad in the eye with some scissors though. He came up behind me and asked me what I was doing and I turned round with my scissors in my hand and... ouch. Thankfully he was alright, though he did have to go to the eye hospital. Anyone else maimed their parents? Sarah, I think you should call your goldfish Simon Parkin. I'm getting a hamster called that as soon as I move into my new house, but it''ll have to be fluffy and ginger. I've still only got one vote on the list crush... where have those other 4 people got to...? If you vote for me I'll give you a kiss in voucher form, redeemable wherever you like. This is not a joke. And bagpipes are good because I say so. Hum, that isn't really an argument is it? They're good because they can be used to create really eerie sounds if used in the right way. The albion band used them really well but I suspect those were bretton pipes (shutupyoupedant)... Why is JD Salinger a perv? I mean, I suspect a good amount of old men would like the company of younger women & from what I heard this amounts to two women - his wife and a girl who stayed with him and he *never had a relationship with* the latter. To go off at a tangent, (what has happened to the duke BTW) do you think that any of the legendary pile of books he's written will be published in his lifetime? I want to read more Glass stories, I'm just in love with that world. Oh and you should all go to Keith's site because you like I probably didn't realise he painted such beautiful pictures, even if he is an evil alien monkey whore (joke). ta ta, weejay xxx Blue Glow is now at http://diskant.future.easyspace.com/blueglow/ (This network is as sick as a dog. If you can't get through try maleslut at chickmail.com instead) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sillas_luap at xxx.com Wed May 26 16:42:35 1999 From: sillas_luap at xxx.com (paul sallis) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: seymour stein Message-ID: <19990526154235.23435.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Girvan you wicked wicked child, trying to mislead out transatlantic friends with beguiling words emanating from your fork-tongued mouth. Shame on you. Yes, there is a place in Scotland called Dundee, but its not surprising you hadn't heard of it. Its the tiniest of places, very grim, rustic and medieval with a population of about 34: 3 of which are goats, and the rest are all directly related to each other (and to the goats in a few odd cases). The chief exports are a locally produced cake cunningly given the name 'Dunfermline cake', and up-and-coming boy bands who thrive like fungi for the first year then die-out when its leaked to the press that none of them are actually gay. P. --- Girvan Burnside wrote: > Dundee is the 4th largest city in Scotland, with a > population of around > 200,000 (I think), home > of an excellent football team (currently not quite > so excellent) called > Dundee United. Also home > of me. > > Girvan > > > I agree that what's sung is "Has he ever seen > Dundee." Is there a Dundee > > in the North Country? (sorry i'm a geographically > challenged yank) > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hewits at xxx.uk Wed May 26 17:14:06 1999 From: hewits at xxx.uk (stephen hewitt) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:14:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Slightly Anal About 80s Pop Message-ID: <9188A3453EEED111BD7300805FEDEB6901AC6F@PARK_EX> The above is the rather succinct description from Ms Ailsa Ross, of this parish, for our (mine and hers, not all 1100 of us) mutual regard for the chart music of that period, it will now adorn my auto-signature... I'm feeling a bit more chipper than yesterday, mainly as I have been nominated (and accepted) for the list crush list, and have received two votes (hurrah!!) weejay mentioned Simon Parkin. I knew him when he had nowt. To refresh your collective memory SP was a Childrens BBC presenter of the early nineties with very very ginger hair (which, if memories serves, was rather bouffant) and I'm sure is still kicking around on some cable channel. Well, before he reached these heady heights of stardom he was a presenter on our local commercial radio station doing the 'homework' slot, and the mention of him brought back fond memories of spending hours and hours working out a revision timetable and then about 10 minutes actually revising. I also knew Tony Blair when he had nowt, but that's another story. Loads of people mentioned Stars in their Arse, which was rather bizzare, as I was sitting watching it the other night (having lit the candles and said prayers to the bearded god of Kelly) and I turned to Mrs CarsmileSteve and said that I should go on as Struan because if I could get past the first stage (not realising that we had an insider, nudge nudge wink wink), winning the phone vote would be a piece of piss (if you know what I mean). My only contribution to the bad cheese puns is 'Slow Caerphilly' wich is particularly rubbish as Caerphilly sounds nothing like Graffitti. Ooh I know, what about 'I Know Where the Summer Gorganzola', hmm, not really much better. Just to clear one thing up, I'm not Steve Hewitt, drummer from Placebo, although my mate knows him. Neither am I any relation to James Hewitt (Di-shagger). Thats all for now xoxo CarsmileSteve > ---------------------------------------------- > 'Slightly Anal About 80s Pop' > > carsmilesteve at geocities.com > > visit our website http://fast.to/carsmile > > 'So tell me what have you got? So tell me have I lost the plot?' > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Wed May 26 17:22:34 1999 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:22:34 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Headstart for Happiness! Message-ID: <01bea793$f63d5bc0$LocalHost@itjfvkli> Has anyone ever noticed that Paul Weller wrote a song called "My Everchanging Moods" and then a song called "I'm the Changingman"? What is he, obsessed or something? I'm glad all you SOS members have seen the error of your ways. For a while I thought the list was going to turn into "Stig of the Dump". I mean "Lord of the Flies". What do you think Beepster's next move will be? My money's on some sort of crude hacking attempt. I'm looking forward to the football tonight. It'll be intersting to see whether Bayern Munich's ruthlessly efficient Panzer division can demolish the footballing equivalent of Black Grape. I've only got one can of beer, so I can't decide whether to snort it or go round to the shops for some more. Thank you Keith for directing us to those photos of the WHO's pow-wow on the Isle of Wight. You forgot to point out that John Entwistle was unable to sit down in his skeleton outfit, so he had to stand up for ages before they went on. Anyone who claims to dislike 70s WHO obviously hasn't heard "Now I'm a Farmer" enough times. I have a sneaking suspicion that FunkySeb will turn up at the forthcoming London picnic dressed as Roger Daltry and doing that "marching up and down" business. Great! There was a bloke called Rabbit who played the keyboards for the WHO when Moon shuffled off. Quite a dapper fella, there's some good footage of him doing "Sister Disco" on Nationwide, with some roadie bloke tapping his foot in the background. I expect Heaven to be a bit like that. I think Roger was sporting a waistcoat. Fluffy wrote: Second EXAM over and done with. I mentioned Bruce Willis twice, and up the bum sex three times. I thought of Peter Miller when I wrote about up the bum sex. It was fun. My mouth is opening and closing, but no sou....hang on a minute! What kind of exam is this? I believe that bagpipe version of "Amazing Grace" kept something fantastic off the coveted number one slot, but I can't remember what. Has anybody got the Guiness Book of Hit Singles on their desk at work? Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Wed May 26 17:44:59 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:44:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: just quickly Message-ID: could someone anyone mail me privately to say if my mail intitled '4 real baby' went to the list or not, because it didn't come into my box. just say Yes/No. cheers/sorry Erica x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From littlearsonist at xxx.com Wed May 26 17:57:26 1999 From: littlearsonist at xxx.com (Marie Elia) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: like a cat looks into a fishtank Message-ID: <19990526165726.18152.rocketmail@web126.yahoomail.com> --- Keith Watson wrote: > Sarah - I'd continue along the Blaxploitation theme > for your fish's name,it's definitely the way to go. >What about "Truck Turner" or something like that. i agree -- sarah, yr fish is begging to be called Shaft. easy as that. ain't no mo-fo in the fishbowl gonna fuck with him with a name like that. but i'd advise keeping the ladyfishes away, you know what i mean? i am sitting here, listening to the pastels' sitting pretty, and i noticed on track 3 (maybe? and do you call them tracks if it's on vinyl?) the girlvoice sounds like a muppet. not a fraggle, mind you. but a muppet. cheese is the new crack. xoxo -- marie _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Etheriel99 at xxx.com Wed May 26 18:29:41 1999 From: Etheriel99 at xxx.com (Etheriel99 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:29:41 EDT Subject: Sinister: cool pet names Message-ID: Cheerios! If I could rename my dog, I'd call him Momo or Mojo...He's had an interesting change of names over the past few years...I suppose that dogs will often come no matter what you call them ("hey bastard!")...Just as long as you shout it in their general direction... ...My dog's name right now is Bruno...he used to be called Blackie...then Rocky...of course these were names I chose when I was 6 or 7... though I'd imagine kids to be bursting with imagination and wonder at that age, I was quite dull...I suppose Bruno will do for now...besides he's far too old at 13 to be bothered with actually coming when called now...Instead of getting up, he'll most likely wag his tail rather pathetically...it's kind of cute...the most sad bit is that he's quite senile that now he's come into the habit of getting his little claws stuck in his collar, preventing him from getting up...and I always find him whimpering on the floor, unable to get up...It's a bit silly of us not to remove the collar, but I try to whenever I remember...anyhow...Momo or Mojo the fish are my picks... cheers and cherries, Cindy +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ussher at xxx.ca Wed May 26 20:24:24 1999 From: ussher at xxx.ca (allen) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:24:24 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Sinister: I'll only buy a book if it takes me forever to find it... Message-ID: Hello, everyone! (B&S musical content at the end -- really!) Has anyone else found that the harder something is for you to attain, the more eager you are to have it? That whatever it is you're after becomes even more attractive and more valuable? Case in point, out of the blue recently, I've gone on a quest for a book called The Godwits Fly. Has anyone else out there heard of this book? A bit of history first: back in high school, I used to listen to radio dramas that were broadcast on Sunday nights. One Sunday, the radio drama adaptation of a book from New Zealand was broadcast. It was entitled The Godwits Fly and was about a girl by the name of Eliza who grew up in New Zealand yearning to travel and live in England. From what I recall, godwits are birds in NZ which migrate to England for a while and then return -- any people from NZ out there want to clarify this? -- and people who wanted to 'return' to England were called godwits themselves. I don't recall the rest of the story (silly me), but it was basically a coming of age tale and I thought it was grand at the time (I was also very much into Britpop at the time, so I related a bit to Eliza). The radio adapation was presented in 2 parts, I believe, and I was lucky enough to tape the second part. (Unfortunately, I left the tape back in my home town, which I don't currently live in.) Recently, I've decided to find the book the radio drama was based on, but have had little luck. I did a search for it on Amazon, but to no avail. I've searched in other places (rare book searches) and found that it is out of print. I'm just curious if anybody out there has heard of this. :) It was written all the way back in 1938, I believe, and reprinted in the '70s. (?) It's probably a lovely book and I'll enjoy it immensely when I find it, but till then I will continue my search. Also, if anyone is in a bookstore, try to find this book. I would like to know if it's still available in some places. Oh, and the author's name is Robin Hyde. And here's the B&S content. For all you musically-inclined types, I was wondering if I was the only one who hears a major->minor chord progression in LLPJ. It's at the part of the melody which goes "...time, when you are free from all the trouble you're in..." I'm asking because I always thought it interesting that the chords there were Bbm->Ebm but it SOUNDS like the melody sung is on top of a major->minor chord. But it's not! I don't know if anybody else understands what I'm saying, but I don't care!! :) What I mean by major->minor is something like playing a IV->iv progression, which is a bit of a cliche, really. Pulp seems to like to use this a lot. Anyway, those AREN'T the chords played, but damn! it sure sounds like it. (If you're near a guitar or a piano, play an Fmaj followed by an Fmin to see what I mean.) If you listen very carefully towards the last verse at the part where it goes "...got your name and what you're gonna do about it...", you can hear the piano and it really sounds like a major->minor is played (perhaps as harmony?)... heheh, I hope I got some of you to listen very, very carefully to the song now. :P Hey, this might be an interesting thread to start, having people mention subtle nuances of B&S songs so we can all go on a scavenger hunt! :) For instance, at approximately 1:23 of Ease Your Feet Into The Sea, you can hear someone count in on the left speaker. Anyone else? Anyway, if anyone wants to discuss musical theory behind B&S music, email me! I'm currently trying to learn exactly what makes their songs so darn infectious. Cheers! Allen -- "Long afloat on shipless oceans I did all my best to smile Till your singing eyes and fingers Drew me loving to your isle." -- Song to the Siren, Tim Buckley. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bp224996 at xxx.edu Wed May 26 20:31:54 1999 From: bp224996 at xxx.edu (Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:31:54 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Dead Ringers & CO lumbus Message-ID: <374C4C2A.DB175FA6@ohiou.edu> Hi, I sent part of this yesterday from a school terminal. Silly me, I forgot that the terminal used a slightly different address, so it didn't go through. So er, it's attached at the end of this mail. A couple things before that...if you're going to name your fish Truck Turner or Shaft, why not Blackula? Our fish, as a rule, never had names. I think it was because Ick got them faster than we would have been able to give them names. I never stuck any of them up nose, ears, or anywhere else, though. Marie Elia was talking about record stores in Columbus. The store where you found the Gentle Waves CD is actually called Magnolia Thunderpussy. My friend was just telling me of the selection of Joy Division shirts to be had there. Also, Used Kids was once a bevy of treasured P!O!P! platters, but the aforementioned friend raids it daily. Still, he misses things, and I don't think he likes post-rock, so there you go. His new favorite record store is in Detroit, though, so you'd have to fight him about Used Kids being the best store anywhere. Speaking of which, we went to see St. Etienne there last night. So Jessica's not the only one, though maybe the only one in Toronto. It was fun, but I got back at 4:30 AM. Oh, and one last thing. Warm Dr. Pepper is one of the foulest substances known to man or beast. Cold Dr. Pepper is good, but I have to draw the line someone. Right there. See? Alright, here's that old e-mail I wrote yesterday...(I think) > Hello All, > Apologies for my being unable to quote people or to have a > signature, but I'm using a uni terminal and all it's got is Pine. Do you > know what PINE stands for? P.ine I.s N.ot E.lm. Elm, being another, even > less appealing mail program. Or so I've heard, anyway. While we're on the > subject of acronyms, don't believe anyone who tells you KMFDM stands for > Kill MotherFucking Depeche Mode. It actually means "No Putty for the > Majority" in German. Or was it Pity? Idunno, but putty is a precious > commodity. > Magnetic Megan discovered a New Order video comp the last time we > were in Columbus, and kindly allowed me to purchase it instead of keeping > it for herself. As we watched this, we discovered that Stuart Murdoch is a > dead ringer for Bernard Sumner! Before he went Electronic, of course. > Speaking of which, I thought the new album was crap. > Oh, and this is content too! I finally got to hear the Genteel > Waifs LP. We actually got it at my radio station. I listened to the > entire thing in one gulp. Pretty easy considering it, like the Looper > album, is immensely short. I think the strongest comparison I can make for > it is that it sounds precisely like all the music from Sesame Street when > I was a kid, but with Isobel singing too. Not like the music for Mr. > Rogers, note you, that was all jazzy. Not sure if that's a selling point, > but it works for me. > Lastly, Ailsa I don't really have any bagpiped songs besides Slap > the Cock Around. I do have a CD by the world's only tampon applicatorist. > If you're wondering, he plays it a bit like a slide whistle, but it sounds > more like a cardboard recorder. I won't relate the story of how he learned > to play it. Lets just say that the smut content of such a message might > even be more impressive than the girl who said she had no gag reflexes. > Hm...no, I don't think I can beat that one. > > Signatureless, > > Mick. Signatured, /"\_/"\_/"\ Brian Pennington, a.k.a. Mick McMick; Sandcastle Records \ / bp224996 at ohiou.edu ICQ#5056758 | | Sandcastle Recs Homepage: http://www.frognet.net/~mick/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | -Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jimgrund at xxx.fr Wed May 26 20:30:32 1999 From: jimgrund at xxx.fr (Jan Imgrund) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:30:32 +0200 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199905261931.VAA21144@front5.grolier.fr> courtney said: > Oh, and I have a tatoo over my heart of the strawberry from Beat > Happening's Jamboree album >My most recent adventure was mud wrestling last weekend. I have > photos to prove it. uh oh, jessicaxo, there comes competition... do you have a homepage yet, Courtney? > Funny how I always e-mail more when I'm supposed to be revising. me too :) J at n The Dark Site of the Moon: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/index.html Tindersticks page: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/tinderpage/tinder.html To love oneself is the beginning of a lifelong romance. -Oscar Wilde +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From craigrm at xxx.uk Wed May 26 21:10:05 1999 From: craigrm at xxx.uk (craigm) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:10:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I wanna Cheese you up ! Message-ID: <006001bea7b3$d79c93a0$8fe293c3@cm> in true psychoanalyst fashion weejay asked "Anyone else maimed their parents?". No, not me but on one very memorable occasion I got close to causing severe injury in an act of such a foolhardy nature I still shudder to when I think of it. I was young, maybe ...maybe to young and my Parents took myself & my brother for a holiday near a ski resort (which was an odd choice as it was summer at the time). Us youngsters decided that the mountain we were staying by needed climbing, so one summery morning we set off dressed in our matching cardigans in case it got a bit nippy near the summit. There's was no real plan of how we were going to tackle this towering peak so we simply started in the deserted carpark and followed the ski lift upwards. At some stage my parents spotted that we had gone awol and set off to find us. To cut a long story short it got a bit misty, Mum wanted to call out the mountain rescue people and Dad nearly fell down some sort of crevice before we got "rescued" Needless to say we weren't greeted as all conquering mountaineers when we eventually got back to the Hotel. And while I'm totally embarrassing myself, there was once a misguided April fools joke featuring a bar of soap, a toilet brush and several drawing pins but that's probably best left to everyone's imaginations. Time to move on before you all decide that I'm horrid and start hurriedly composing rules to delete my mails on receipt. Ok the only other remotely topical thing I've got to say is that while Dundee might have it's detractors (I haven't been there so it'd be cheeky of me to comment either way) Mick Jagger once called the city of Invercargill, New Zealand the "arsehole of the world". Hmmm , I can't help but think of a quaint old saying that features several items of crockery and the colour black. My apologies to your modems for forcing them to download such drivel. Also sorry about the lack of B&S and cheese content. Bysies, Craig xox +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cchaffin at xxx.org Wed May 26 21:44:36 1999 From: cchaffin at xxx.org (Christa Chaffinch) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:44:36 -0400 Subject: Sinister: it gouda been a brilliant career Message-ID: so i was showing my pictures of the bowlie festival to some family members last night and they were all confounded by the one of the queue to pick up the tickets on Friday afternoon. my cousin thought it was a Macedonian border crossing. what with all the haggard people, desolate scenery and general glumness. hoooo, boy. the pet naming thread is right up my alley, folks. i have 2 cats- Simon and Harriet. named after pop stars, but i won't say which ones. i also have a hamster named Faddle, who used to be part of a duo- Fiddle and Faddle, until Fiddle escaped and ran down the furnace pipe. i'd like to believe he's frolicking about in the appalachian mountains right now, so don't ruin it for me, ok? i also used to have hamsters named Mabel, Marvin, Boris and Porl. (the Cure thing was unintentional at first). but i find great joy in naming animals, i think it can be a special thing. all of my pet's names came to me in a relevatory way. i had a dream the other night that my cat Harriet told me her name was Faye in another life. isn't that odd? B&S CONTENT: well, sortof. haha, i tricked you. i had a dream last night that a friend and i were with Stu M and Isobel in the new orleans convention center. they were going to play there, to over a million people and it was going to be beamed out by satellite to 147 countries, like Live Aid or something. anyway, they couldn't remember any of the names of their instruments so i was constantly going "oh that's a guitar" or "you mean a cymbal?" or "that's actually a *trumpet*". interpretations will be accepted. i'm really starting to wonder: how little money can i live on? is being jobless prudent? -christa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From koogy at xxx.uk Wed May 26 22:07:01 1999 From: koogy at xxx.uk (andrew dean) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:07:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: White Horses Message-ID: <374C6275.122A4D6E@clara.co.uk> i know someone who's on this list (or was) who is learning the bagpipes as we speak. and it would be 'five hours behind' if she was in new york and he was in scotland - 12 noon in scotland is 7am in new york. the eurotrash european song contest special the other day (a revised repeat it said, which i think means they deleted kenickie's great version of 'save your kisses for me') had dubstar and sacha distel doing 'the poopee song' and had a bit of the history behind it too. the boy mike: >Then talk about pottery - honestly, it's always best to stick to what >you know in these situations. Andy Dean's fashioned a lucrative >sideline in after-dinner speaking with his Sarah label-photo >anecdotes oh, those good old days when the sarah label photos were views along the river and harbour from Temple Meads to the suspension bridge (sarahs 31-40). i remember them well... also: the british museum had it's own tube station once upon a time. there are a lot more disused stations out there. neil gaiman's 'neverwhere' is based on them and used a couple (down street and the then-unused mornington crescent, i believe) during the filming of the tv series. flatmate upstairs is shouting at the tv as if manchester united can hear him. doesn't he know they are playing away? the fool. 'she's gotta have it', the channel 4 clothes makeover type show, was tonight concerned with all capri pants great and small. delgados live on peel tonight, in about 6 minutes actually... back to watching pokemon and eating chocolate, andy pikachu, i choose you! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ussher at xxx.ca Wed May 26 22:27:14 1999 From: ussher at xxx.ca (allen) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:27:14 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Sinister: I'll only buy a book if it takes me forever to find it... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 May 1999, allen wrote: > And here's the B&S content. For all you musically-inclined types, I was > wondering if I was the only one who hears a major->minor chord progression > in LLPJ. It's at the part of the melody which goes "...time, when you are > free from all the trouble you're in..." I'm asking because I always thought > it interesting that the chords there were Bbm->Ebm but it SOUNDS like the That should be the chord progression of Ebm->Bbm, not the other way around. :P Sorry for this short correction post, but I hate it when I'm wrong... Allen -- "Long afloat on shipless oceans I did all my best to smile Till your singing eyes and fingers Drew me loving to your isle." -- Song to the Siren, Tim Buckley. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Riddley13 at xxx.com Wed May 26 22:27:01 1999 From: Riddley13 at xxx.com (Riddley13 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:27:01 EDT Subject: Sinister: bummed out Message-ID: hello my fellow sinisterines, A while back I made tapes of the NYC shows from Nov of '98 for a whole bunch of you. They were great concerts and I wanted to share them with people on the list who did not get to go see them. It has recently come to my attention that someone has made a CD bootleg from my recording and is selling it at one store in NYC. I have not heard about it being anywhere else yet (have you seen the double CD set?). I am a bit perturbed that someone is trying to make a buck off of something that was given away for free. (in truth I did ask for return postage and blank tapes to make the copies .. I did not want to take a loss on making these tapes just break even) I did not record the shows to make a profit. My offer to make the tapes was a way of giving something back to the list which has given me new friends and lots of enjoyment since I joined. To think that the culprit may be a listee or worse yet a friend who I made tapes for, really bums me out. If you are out there listening, shame on you. What really sucks about this is that I was about to post another offer to make tapes of the Bowlie show. Due to this event I am now not inclined to do so, for fear that the same thing will happen again. Now I realize that I am to blame for this happening. I made the recordings to begin with. I just want you all to know that I did not make these CDs. I am not interested in trying to make a buck off of the band that I love and who has brought me so much pleasure. There's nothing wrong with making a buck. I am just bummed that someone has turned a free offer of something good into a money making scheme. That's not why I made the tapes, that's not why I gave them to people on the list. John +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordi-tv at xxx.com Wed May 26 20:05:07 1999 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:05:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: YOU OWE ME SOMETHING (to Man. Utd. followers, obviously...) Message-ID: <19990526230507.HM.000000000014R0z@mixmail.com> My spiritual presence (hours of queue avoid me of getting a ticket) has made Man. Utd win. There�s no doubt about it. I WANT A REWARD. I�m so strong that I even predicted this weird final. My cat is the witness: she can explain it to you perfectly, but she�s sleeping now. So, it�s better not to bother her... I�ve noticed lots of Man. Utd. followers near the Ramblas this morning. I wanted to wear my B&S t-shirt, but, honestly, I also wanted to avoid some beer stains on my chest. It�s not exagerate, as it has happened to some radio journalists. Sorry to all the people who doesn�t follow football (but a more important apologise to any B.Munchen follower). I�ve got to finish a boring piece of work, so I needed to say something. Yesterday I sent my Stu M�s scanned autograph to Honey, so I hope that he�ll be putting it in the sinister page soon. It�s a sad week for me: after a lovely long weekend, I�m without cash for the following, so I won�t be able to attend neither The Make-Up or Rialto, who are playing friday and saturday. I hope you�ll have a better one ================================================== Jordiet Sinistre ================================================== Tu E-Mail Gratis en http://www.mixmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mike at xxx.uk Wed May 26 20:59:45 1999 From: mike at xxx.uk (Mike Newman) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:59:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Mornington Crescent In-Reply-To: <19990526142858.5831.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Adam Chapman wrote: > However, i live in Yeovil, Somerset [ best known, if at all for producing > helicopters, one of which is buzzing over as i type, a marginally famous non > league soccer team [now sadly sans its sloping pitch], and home for a while > to one Ian Botham. It is something of a musical desert though, b+s cds are > thankfully plentiful if expensive. The same can't be said for fans though. As a fellow Somerset-dweller, I remember once seeing Heavenly in Yeovil (admittedly on the "Crap Towns" tour). It was a bit of a novelty though, and everyone from age 12 upwards had turned out, making it feel like your cousin's wedding or something (kids running around and sliding across the dancefloor in their best frocks etc.). I half expected to find a table full of pork pies and sausage rolls at one end of the room. Matt from Sarah Records looked genuinely scared throughout, and ended up standing next to me and my pal from Burnham-on-Sea nursing a pint of lager and fidgeting like crazy. Later, there were lots of fights outside kebab shops, but I understand this happens a lot in Yeovil. Wasn't PJ Harvey and her band a local too? Mike (in Weston-super-Mare) -- Sent by: Mike Newman Fax: +44 870 0567643 : ICQ UIN 3533902 Web: http://www.gtnorthern.demon.co.uk Wed, 26 May 1999 20:53 +0100 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cello at xxx.br Wed May 26 23:31:04 1999 From: cello at xxx.br (Vinicius Vasconcellos) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:31:04 -0300 Subject: Sinister: Belle & Mutantes Message-ID: <001901bea7c7$769a3260$e50233c0@rbs.com.br> Keeping the shy guy tradition, this is my first post...I did´t know I had to do it anyway... I´m into B&S and all the soulful songs ever written. I am brazilian, so you can ask me anything about Mutantes, Jobim, Gilberto, Caetano, Gil, Gal, Tropicalia, Bossa Nova, Samba :) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fiveleavesleft at xxx.ie Wed May 26 23:51:17 1999 From: fiveleavesleft at xxx.ie (kenneth + sinead) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:51:17 +0100 Subject: Sinister: at the toss of a coin, your head at the ground, your tail in the air Message-ID: <029601bea7ca$44ed7e40$02000003@plzgm> -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Someone To: sinister at Majordomo.net Date: 06 May 1999 18:42 Subject: Sinister: at the toss of a coin, your head at the ground, your tail in the air >hi sinners: > >a warm close-mouthed smile to you all, shiny eyes and all... haven't been >around for a while, this sunbird left for sunnier climes and it took me >while to get back into the humdrum groove again... but I am glad all of you >are chipper than ever, if not, chippier... surprised to find myself playing >in the sandbox but I found it not at all a waste of time... happy as a clam >in the sand... > >Bowlie sounds like an experience, and I wish I'd been there, sounds like the >sort of thing I'd want to brag of and be very loud and exuberant regarding >it upon return. and tigermilk Tigermilk T!I!G!E!R!M!I!L!K! is on my mind, >I'm glad time goes fast, it seems like the reissue will be out in no time at >all... > >(insert shameless hello to everyone I've spoken to since being on the list, >penitent sorry I haven't posted) > >I am in music ecstasies right now, having picked up the new Lilys (any fans >out there? is the older one any good?) and Virginia Rodrigues (brasil yay) >and got some sort of spring urge to post though I've nothing really to say >... > >Cynthia >http:www/geocities.com/soho/village/4541 > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Thu May 27 00:05:02 1999 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:05:02 -0400 Subject: Sinister: More Random Ramblings Message-ID: <199905261905_MC2-7734-91F7@compuserve.com> Hi 70's Who Fans, John Peel just said that that he bumped into Stuart (unspecified) from B&S buying tickets for Stereolab's Glasgow gig earlier today: get there & get star-spotting, guys & girls! Someone posted about a B&S programme being on BBC Choice soon: "who knows where or when?" Is it this coming weekend? What time? Jamie Mr Niceaction wrote: Mr Moore AKA John Peel posted this teaser. < umm..some responses. since its a fish... i would (personally) call him or her....or whatever sexual preferences the fish has....umm...either fuckfish. rollypolly. rasputin. bon-bon. chiclet. yeah. thats all i can think of right now. isen't Riff-Raff an indie movie with Robert Carlyle?? hmm... i like the whole Major Tom thing.... yes. its nice. speaking of Yoda...i was in the theatre watching Episode I....and during the fighting with Mool Vader (no clue on the spelling) when Ewan is flying all over the place, (sorry to give some of the stuff away)...my friend, who was with me, i guess, was terribly confused. so he finally turned and asked me "why the hell is ewan flying and jumping?? thats not humanly possible"...and i replying saying that is had to do with the "force"...and then he turned around and asked "what the fuck is the force?!!" low and behold, the whole audience just whoosh! turned their heads to our direction.. thats the last time i take someone who hasn't seen the previous star wars episodes to the movies... yeha. and white horses. i want to ride on a white horse and pretend im in love. and trot. and gallop on a beachside....with my white dress flowing through the wind........then. suddenly...fall off. knowing me. it would happen. faeriebelle, sprinkles faerie dust...makes chia pet grow +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Wed May 26 22:13:18 1999 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E Hamilton) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:13:18 -0400 Subject: Sinister: 70s Who and Major/Minor Progs Message-ID: <010701bea7bc$96983400$ab1574cc@woody> Dears! I actually have agendas to address this great great afternoon....just getting home from work at PJ's deli on the beach here on this beautiful barrier island has got my lanky fingers itching for some thoughts to translate... Allen thus spake: *For all you musically-inclined types, I was wondering if I was the only one who hears a major->minor chord progression in LLPJ. It's at the part of the melody which goes "...time, when you are free from all the trouble you're in..." I'm asking because I always thought it interesting that the chords there were Bbm->Ebm but it SOUNDS like the melody sung is on top of a major->minor chord.* You're right! I just ran all the way over to the other side of the room and got my copy of LLPJ and am currently finishing it out loudly with a dramatic, wholesome, and ear throbbing design. A design delegated by the spirit. Anyways, yes, yes yes, it is a major/minor progression vocally over the B&S typical root/dominant chord progression. Rightly so, Pulp is the one band that does come to mind that makes use of said procedure diabolically. Of course they have somewhere around 35 instruments, synths, and triangles all doing this progression, so it's a bit more intense, but songs like Underwear and Lipgloss come to mind instantly. Go on, listen to them, with Underwear it's the bit that goes "and close the curtains, cus you're not going anywhere" is a D-->Dm progression, and with Lipgloss it's located at the end of the chorus, "turn him on, there's something wrong, you had it once but now it's gone". That's an F-->Fm kiddies. Go, teach yourself the wonders of P!O!P. It's all educational. Martin then pooted: *Then it got worse and this Prog rock nonsense came on and I started thinking oh my god what did the Who do, and wishing they'd all died before they got old and stuff. Then I found out it was actually Rush. It was an easy mistake to make though.* Ok this really really hurt little ol Blakie. Rush, and The Who?! That's like comparing B&S and Don Henley for God's sake. (no offense to Eagles fans, but hey, I consider them fake, and I don't want hate mail, please) I can't say I appreciated said comment, but upon my frequent reflection on The Who, sometimes I do think they should have stopped before It's Hard, and maybe even Face Dances. Bu...er....what am I saying? I love anything anyone from The Who has ever done and my WHO related cd collection is now over 60 separate cds. Ok I'm obsessed. Cheers to Sister Disco for mentioning my dear friend Rabbit. He never got the credit he deserved for backing up the 'OO in 79, 80 and 81 (and 96/97 for those who, like The Who, are always on top of everything). I'd just like to comment additionally that you lot have been spitting out some adorable posts in the past few days and have all given me a reason to come home quickly and gaze at a pixelated mess, anxious for more. Love, blake -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- "Fuck!" - Jarvis Cocker +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From biblesmut at xxx.com Thu May 27 02:20:09 1999 From: biblesmut at xxx.com (Beau Gestalt) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:20:09 PDT Subject: Sinister: cool pet names Message-ID: <19990527012010.84263.qmail@hotmail.com> a fish? call 'em Squirt! or Pomperslicker or Doobiebobby or Mum or Peanut or Lump or Clump or Flump or Candyfur or Steven Malkmus or Laserbeam! whooooo YES! a fish called Laserbeam! my friend let me name her kitty and i named it Shavencreme! that sorta rhymes with Laserbeem dunnit? well yeah, you could always have two Superflys in the family. god knows its better than two Toms. or you could name the fishy Shaft. or Dolemite even!! yeah Superfly & Dolemite, theyd be taxin' hoes and stickin' it to all the suckers! tobieshoes _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bad_sneakers at xxx.com Thu May 27 02:28:04 1999 From: bad_sneakers at xxx.com (Robyn Davidson) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: I was slipping into darkness Message-ID: <19990527012804.29529.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Hey y'all I too named my cat after Ben Folds. Everyone called him something really stupid, like Blackie at first but they came to their senses. I want to get another cat and call him Julius. He'll have to be orange though, just because. I quite like the name Sebastian too, always have. I was talking to some strange people once and we were telling what we wanted to name our children. I said Sebastian for a boy and they all went "like the crab?" NO! Not the like stupid crab you imbiciles. But now I can't ever have a child named Sebastian. And my one goal in life right now is to make the shot from the crack in the driveway. Well, make that two. The other being to pull the wool over tourists eyes long enough to make them think I'm lovely so they'll leave me big tips. Oh, I just got a job as a waitress at this fancy shmancy restaurant, so that might make more sense now. Everyone in the Virginia Beach area should come to The Lighthouse and ask for the tall redhead. I don't eat seafood so I have no idea if the food's that great or not. I was much more interesting earlier today. Anyway I DO IN FACT have a point for posting. I was wondering if anyone knew the background song in the new Volvo c70 commercial. I like it lots but have never heard the voice. Some kind of accent I believe, and I can't quite catch the words though. Something about being dark, and couldn't see for hours. I'm humming it right now if that helps. SOMEONE must know. Probably to shoddy a description though, unfortunately. As far as the list crush thing goes - I always vote the same person when I go. Anyway, thanks a lot if anyone knows what I'm talking about as far as the song goes. Robyn, but my friends call me Arben _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Kt788 at xxx.com Thu May 27 04:32:25 1999 From: Kt788 at xxx.com (Kt788 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:32:25 EDT Subject: Sinister: go go gadget bum! Message-ID: <279bec64.247e16c9@aol.com> Did anyone out in the land of Sinister used to watch Inspector Gadget? If so, I need your help. What was the name of Dr. Claw's cat? I've been trying to remeber all day, but I can't and i'm going absolutely insane. I don't know why I need to know this, I guess it's just one of those things. I must find out. On the subject of pet names, I had a turtle for about a day named Reginald Boxworth. But he was smelly and no fun so I put him back in the woods. Both my cat and my dog have really stupid names but I didn't name them. I always think animals should get regular names, like Tony or Dave or Nancy or something like that. If I get another cat I'm going to name it James, even if it's a girl. Or Oswald. Oh well, if anyone knows the answer, please let me know. I would greatly appreciate it. sleepy time now. juniper ****************************************************************** To live outside the law you must be honest. -bob dylan ****************************************************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From COURTOLY at xxx.com Thu May 27 05:17:39 1999 From: COURTOLY at xxx.com (COURTOLY at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 00:17:39 EDT Subject: Sinister:nwmeet-up,zines,pets,parents,&books Message-ID: Dahlings I'm assisting Elle with the Northwest USA Meet-up on June 27th. If you haven't contacted either of us yet please do so. I'll have invitations with the place and information soon. >uh oh, jessicaxo, there comes competition... do you have a homepage >yet, Courtney? No homepage yet but if you want to see the tatoo I sent the photo to Honey to be added to the sinister photo page. I haven't had time to scan the mud wrestling photos...and what are we in competition for? > Anyone else maimed their parents? Yes. I used to fight with my parents every day. My dad was chasing me around the house and at the time my bed was in the livingroom while they were repainting my bedroom. He chased me there and I ended up on my back with him hovering over me. I kicked him in the chest and he had to be rushed to the hospital. They took an x-ray and he called home and told me I broke his ribs. That was a lie. What a way to make a little girl cry, my mom told me the truth. I hadn't broken his ribs, the doctor said they were already broken and had been re-snapped. Turns out the baffoon had been in the Hard Rock Cafe a week before during a business trip, had slipped on a toothpick, fallen over a chair, and broken two ribs that way. His friends who were there confirmed this, but he didn't want anyone to know about his fall and he hadn't gone to the hospital. They were healing just fine when I kicked them back out of place. I had a sad day. I started a zine library here two years ago and we have thousands of zines for people to read in this nice coffee shop. Well, the coffee shop is closing Monday which leaves the zines homeless. They are in my trust so for now they will sleep in my garage, but I need to find a studio space or someplace to put them. And if any of you lovely folks have zines you make or zines you want to donate: 120 State Ave NE #1206 Olympia WA 98501 USA is the mailbox address. I might have an intern this summer to help get nonprofit status for the zine library, and I'm hoping to move it into a real library or get lots of grant money to put it in its own home after that happens. >If anyone has ever seen a guinea pig that is not in a school or in a >pen with a rabbit, could you let me know? I'd like to put it in my >I Spy book of pets - they're very rare, you know. I had a guinea pig named Snaggle Doodles after the Patricia Rilley Giff book from the Kids of the Polk Street School series. It lived at my house for three months but we were too allergic to keep her. I gave her to the kindergarden class at my nursery school and she lived there for seven years. So she wasn't in school for a bit. Are there any fans of Francesca Lia Block here? I think her books are lovely. They're supposed to be for Young Adults which means they are a quick read, but the prose is wonderful. Here is a sexy bit from her latest book "I Was A Teenage Fairy": In Todd's house Barbie and Todd were flying horizontally in front of the fireplace, their mouths tearing carnivorously, practically cannibalistically, at each other even though one of them was a vegan and the other had given up red meat. and a sad bit... Griffin took a swig frm the bottle of J.D. He lit the bong and had a hit. The ugly mushroom-colored, slack-lipped, balding ghots kept spinning around inside of him, no matter how much alcohol or smoke he used to drive them out. So the books deal with a lot of issues about AIDS and art and incest and fairytales and Los Angeles...just lovely. Kisses, Courtney B +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From treblekicker at xxx.com Thu May 27 07:22:55 1999 From: treblekicker at xxx.com (Spiral Stairs) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:22:55 -0400 Subject: Sinister: the future of what? Message-ID: <001201bea809$5bfe0a20$90be7018@etob1.on.wave.home.com> hey all, first post :] the hero of this story is from toronto, tho he finds it kinda boring a lot of the time. he plays music, loves stanley kubrick and has a really messy room. he also hates writing in the third person, so enough of that... in my cd player now: come on die young/mogwai, falbes of the reconstruction/rem, and hard for measy for you/guv'ner [you really should listen to them if you don't already!] anyways, so this post isn't completely useless, i've decided to put my vast knowledge of everything that is completely useless to everyday life to use, and answer the inspector gadget question... the answer is... the cat had no name really; tho i think dr claw called it madcat or something similar occasionally. not overly original, but such a great cartoon show! ahh the halcyon days of youth... peace/john these hands--the hands that care, the hands that mold; the hands that touch the lips, the lips that speak the words-- the words that tell us we are whole. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From richard.connell at xxx.com Thu May 27 10:18:43 1999 From: richard.connell at xxx.com (Richard Connell) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:18:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: Tonight mathew, im going to be............. In-Reply-To: <004101bea773$37be7960$4e0129c2@sun> Message-ID: <7443180927051999/A01789/ADVAX1/11D5DA522900*@MHS> vaguely sounding like a famous singer and looking like said singer if they were in a horrific accident, and if you squint a bit. Whats new pussycats? Fish names: How about sweet sweetback if we're talking blacksploitation, or cleopatra jones? My oh so funny friend called his fish Sid (sid fishous, geddit?) but i suggest you refrain. I know we're not supposed to talk about the list on the list but as this is more a question of mechanics than aesthetics i thought itd be ok. All my messages from the list say they are from 'owner-sinister' rather than the postee. Does this happen to everyone or is it just my cacky mail program or an option? Its annoying cos you cant tell who posted something till the end (and sometimes not at all). I didnt think it would matter but it does. Its funny but you read something differently when you know who someone is than if you dont.Anywho, what i want to know is can i do something to change it? In other news, did you know you can get your star wars name by taking the first 3 letters of your first name, the model of your car and the last thing you got prescribed from the doctors. Doesnt really work for me though as im ric sunny from ibuprofen. Try it, it might work. Due to many recommendations on this here list i got dusk at cubist castle by olivia tremor control. Very good album but i dont like the Yes meets Vic reeves cover art. Too ozric tentacles for my liking. I also got a microdisney album cos sean o'hagan from the high llamas (and sometimes stereolab) was in them. Sounded like early simple minds demos, not a good thing. Does anyone remember Guru Josh? The nineteen ninety's really were the time of the guru werent they. And on that note i bid farewell. I aint goin' on no plane sucka, Rich +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.EDU Thu May 27 09:53:33 1999 From: ynoh at xxx.EDU (Youn Jong Noh) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 01:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: everyone who is real does not have a name Message-ID: it was said about j.d. salinger in regard to the young woman with whom he possibly had an affair that this made him a pervert, but i don't think this is right. i remember reading a review of the woman's book which shed light on this state of affairs and her picture revealed her to look exactly as i imagined jane (who kept all her kings in the back row) in _catcher in the rye_ would look! and if j.d. salinger was young enough to write about holden caufield at whatever age he wrote about him, then maybe the age difference, which supposedly makes the affair scandalous, was not as great as it would have been, chronologically speaking. in the aftermath, there are always recriminations on both sides. the photos on the sinister site are great. there are a lot more listee photos now. i instantly knew whom someone meant when he (she?) said he (she) voted for her based on her photo. (and i checked.) she could be lolita. and that is another example of the jane (i don't know her real name)/j.d. salinger theme. cos it seems _lolita_ is only effective if you take humbert humbert's point of view seriously. cos she did betray him, too. sometimes it has to do with when people appear contrary to your expectations. that is what is happening to me now in the process of email personalities and names becoming attached to faces. an example of this is someone whom i mistakenly thought would be indian with an olive complexion and huge dark eyes and heavy lashes, but my stock of proper English names was incomplete. he turned out to be all fair hair and peaches and cream complexion and extremely innocent looking, which made everything he wrote or that was written about him seem all the more shocking. childhood photos are best. someone seems to have had an especially happy one. this person should remain faceless and only be imagined as a perky waitress with a pink uniform in a 50s diner by day and a French barmaid with a cream colored apron (with ruffles) and fishnet stockings by night. cheers, youn +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From peter.ramsdale at xxx.com Thu May 27 08:26:43 1999 From: peter.ramsdale at xxx.com (Pete Ramsdale) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:26:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Eeentreshting, Meeeshter Bond....... Message-ID: <374CF3B3.80D3EF1D@wdr.com> Just a quickie (they all are - but enough about my lack of sex life) - I'm on earlies this week and hence am f**king swamped with merchant bankers (and that they *definitely* are) asking me to sort their pooter problems out. Sarah - the best suggestion I have come up with so far for a name for your fish is Blofeld. Mainly because he had bug-eyes as well. Or what about BloBubbles? BloThisI'mOffDownThePub?? There's a whole range of excruciatingly bad puns to be made there, methinks...... And thank-you, juniper, for making my day a complete misery. Believe me, the name of Dr. Claw's cat not only totally escapes me, but is really going to bug the living shit out of me all day ;-). I hate it when that happens. The last time was when I spent the best part of a week desperately wracking my booze-addled brain, trying to remember the theme tune to "Bod". I got it in the end, but only with the help of a shed load of psychotropic drugs and some bloke with a big stick continually threatening to hit me with it if I didn't remember. It's surprising the amount of things that brings back, you know. Anyway, must dash - there's people shouting at me already. Bastards. lol p xx. -- ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ Life is full of regrets, and I've had a few, as Frank Sinatra once sang, before hiccuping loudly and falling over sideways. Pete Ramsdale - peter.ramsdale at wdr.com Phone: 0171 568 3836 ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rwjf1 at xxx.uk Thu May 27 09:37:03 1999 From: rwjf1 at xxx.uk (Robert Fisk) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:37:03 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian on MTV Message-ID: A fairly short post and also fairly on topic. It's not my fault I tried to talk about things getting stuck in my orifices but I have no memory of my past. Anyway, is it true that Belle & Sebastian are going to be on MTV? If so, when is it going to be on in England? Robert ___________________________________________ Robert Fisk rwjf1 at ukc.ac.uk Rutherford JCC Comms Sticky Fanzine Editor +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Assistant Head of Music UKC Radio 999MW | | Office: 01227 823294 Studio: 01227 823301 Fax:01227 464625 | |Web: http://listen.to/UKCRadio/ E-mail:ukcr at ukc.ac.uk | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ Don't forget to listen to the Albino Squirrel Show every Thursday 2-4pm on UKCR. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From D.Grant at xxx.uk Thu May 27 10:56:03 1999 From: D.Grant at xxx.uk (David Grant) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:56:03 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: B&S on BBC Choice Message-ID: <199905270956.KAA22647@inverness.ee.ed.ac.uk> Greetings Space Cadets The Jo Wiley show (last night) had a brief clip of the B&S documentary to be shown this Sunday 8pm (I think, I was half asleep at the time) on the BBC's digital channel, BBC Choice. Interesting fact: It is narrated by the bloke who did Mr Ben. However I don't have digital. Does anyone? David +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Thu May 27 11:29:22 1999 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:29:22 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: I have survived! Message-ID: Hey, howdy mates, I am back, I am ready, I have finished my first year report, and my iniciatic (does this word exist in English?)travel into Science has finished and now I am on the other side. This report has become my own loss of innocence and growing into maturity in a Conradian way. Before getting trascendental , a bit about pets names : the best I ever heard of is 'Comotu', which means in Spanish 'Like you' or 'As you'.It was so confussing when some asked about this dog's name that it turned out to be dead funny, everybody wondering if the dog was called Fernando,Jorge or Cristina. PJ Miller was wrong and Kinky Old Trafford Kids beat that German example of efficient engineering! Manchester was Madchester when I first saw and I love it!YES, sing along We are the Champions with Zoe Ball if you dare right now . I have been listening this ultimate example of the bubbly, spontaneous chick in the late 90's this morning. Blimey, if we are in people's like those hands Listening to 'Just A Modern Rock Song' (not acronyms is my way to say hello to newbies, I really suffered isolation because of them when I first arrived here...)last night while trying to get some asleep in the middle of my stress-storm, I realised it is a grower indeed, as it never caught my attention at first but there is something behind it, underneath it , wherever. It is the most 'principles-declaration'-like song among theirs,this is my humble opinion. Like whispering but proudly, that is Me, these are my ideas, these are my clothes, this is my music, and perhaps it is not enough but I am out there and somebody will love me. Why is this message has turned out melancholic when I have proposed myself to become the new ultimate bubbly TV personality? Why not a Mediterranean dark-eyed bird to substitute that Viking invasion in British channels? Barcelona brought you luck, lads...And did someone watch Eurotrash last night? Definitely, my brain is melting after this sacrifice. Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From untitled at xxx.com Thu May 27 12:03:30 1999 From: untitled at xxx.com (Robert Foster) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:03:30 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Hello my beautiful friends - your all stars, all 1100 of you Message-ID: <199905270703_MC2-7736-EF30@compuserve.com> I too saw that Jo Wiley thing last night, B&S are o BBC Choice on Sunday, if anybody out there has digital I would pay you money and offer my body for fun and frolics if you would record it for me. If you think this is a good idea then email untitled at compuserve.com and maybe we can come to an arrangement. As for my toe nail (as I'm sure your all riveted) I've just got back from the doctors who changed my dressing, any way, I asked if I could wash my hands and as I was doing so I caught a glimpse of what was in the sink next to the one being used by my good self. It was one of those ladies inspection things, it was soaking in a brown liquid. My guess is that it was tea. It wasn't very big and so if it has to reach the cervix I've got nothing to worry about. ...r u still in 2 it... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ol01 at xxx.uk Thu May 27 12:11:02 1999 From: ol01 at xxx.uk (The Narrow Wizard) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:11:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: and now the end is near/and so I face the final curtain Message-ID: OK I've got some good news for you people....this is gonna be my last post for a while so you don't have to put up with my rubbish for much longer. my last exam of the year is tomorrow and then I'm leaving uni (and all of the uni pooters) for the summer so I'm gonna unsubscribe in a few days so that I dont have a few thousand messages waiting for me when I get back. I think Dr Claws cat was refered to as madcat (MADcat?) but this question has put me in mind of another question which has been puzzling me and my friends for a couple of years now. There used to be a cartoon version of Happy Days in which the fonz had a dog. Nobody I know can remember the dogs name....can you? good luck to all of the other students who have exams right now. Try not to do what I did in my last exam, I scared the hell out of myself by remembering a fitting latin quote (post hoc ergo propter hoc) and was so shocked by this that I couldnt write anything for quite a while. Well I was dissapointed to see that my wonderful personality (thats a joke by the way) hasn't got me any list crush votes in my stay here..guess I'll have to wait until september when I get back to start a campaign for the veneration of ugly and annoying people. Anyway thats all from me....have a great summer everyone and try to answer that question before I unsubscribe on sunday have a good one and have one for me owen With that the narrow wizard waggled his bushy eyebrows and disappeared in a flash of blue flame leaving behind only a faint smell of cinnamon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fredrik at xxx.se Thu May 27 12:18:48 1999 From: fredrik at xxx.se (Fredrik Appelberg) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:18:48 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Hi there people I'm Bobby Brown Message-ID: <374D2A17.9D75C9B2@inventa.se> Hi there fellow sinisterines! I was sick all day yesterday (swollen throat, light fever) but went to work anyway. Today I'm feeling better, but staying home just to compensate. That's ok, right? The good thing about this is that I finally hade the time to go through by backlog of Sinister messages. Oh joy! So I'll try to comment on all the current memes in turn. Things Up Your Nose: A friend of mine once got an incredibly strong breath mint stuck in his nose. Apparently it was very painful and he lost his sense of smelling for a few days. While we're on the subject: am I the only one who enjoys getting my ears flushed with warm water? It's kinda lika a fetish for me. Bagpipes: I heard that performers often prefer Irish bagpipes to the scottish type since it allows them to both drink and smoke while playing. Lesley: apparently there are a nordic variant of bagpipes; they are a little smaller and not very impressive to look at. Literature: I read an Irving book once. It wasn't unpleasant, but I don't think I'll do it again anytime soon. At the moment I'm reading Gravity's Rainbow and it's filled with important stuff like Death, V2-Rockets and Kinky Sex. A lot of sex, really. You'll love it. Cheese: The garlic flavoured cheese was some kind of softspread, right? Love it! Also, smoked cheese-sausages are marvelous! Nightlife (not necessarily gay): Ok, if I want to dance I go to my local warehouse party and if I wanna get pissed I saunter down to one of the many excellent pubs here in Stockholm. But nightclubs? I can't stand it. People drinking and dancing at the same time? It's against nature! It's evil! I will never feel at home in a nightclub! I never manage to have a good time in there. I feel lost. Maybe it's just my shy nature, but I don't think I'm alone in this. The Onion. Yes! Stupid Pet Names: Riff-Raff might be an indie movie, but I was actually thinking about the Rocky Horror Show. Sweet...! I agree that Julius is a good name for any pet. BTW: my cousins had a parrot once. They named him Teodor for fifteen years everyone assumed that he was male until suddenly one day she laid an egg. I think there's a lesson in that for all of us. I just noticed that I'm the only one on the list that use capital letters in the proper places. And frankly, this message looks like crap compared to your sleek, lower-case affairs. Oh, well... --Fredrik +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sav_one at xxx.com Thu May 27 12:28:58 1999 From: sav_one at xxx.com (Darren Savage) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 04:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <19990527112858.27294.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Hello again Just a couple of thoughts. I think that all pets should be called BASTARD irrespective of gender, species, phylum or what ever. Throkmorten is also acceptable. When I was very small this very mad music teacher at my school had some special bagpipes that had a kind of pump system to blow air into them. I thought at the time that it sounded quite cool; though I think that was mainly because I thought the teacher was cool as he played Velvet Underground records at us. quem deus vult perdere, prius demantat Savage _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Thu May 27 12:45:28 1999 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:45:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: well hellloooo (in comedy neil hannon voice) Message-ID: <01BEA83E.CE53F500.p.cullen@music-control.com> hello everyone, in accordance with what seems to be regulation sinister carry-on, allow me, if you will, to introduce myself. for those of you who can cast your memories that far back , i am joss' wee friend paula whom he described as "shy and nervous , unlike in real life". you see, in real life, i am usually as drunk as three people and tend to be charming and gregarious, willing to engage in banter with the world and its mother. on those rare occasions however, when i am sober i.e. work, sleep (same thing? :)) and when my granny comes to visit, it is a different story altogether. this is one of said occasions so forgive me if this post makes you want to swallow your own head or anything :) i promise i will try to get drunk before i send my next post ;) oh, and i like the beach boys, beatles, northern soul, motown or whatever. later alligators, paula cullen booze explosion booooze!!!! yeeeaaahh!!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From G.K.A.Kathoke at xxx.uk Thu May 27 12:47:27 1999 From: G.K.A.Kathoke at xxx.uk (Geyv Kathoke) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:47:27 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: The Cat, the cartoon, and everything after.. Message-ID: Apologies first of all, for having no B&S content whatsoever. Just thinking about Inspector Gadget got me thinking and being nostalgic and whimsical about *sniff* the old days and how much better they were. And then I woke up. But seriously, the cat's name was MAD cat, though I never worked out what MAD actually stood for. Mutually Assured Destruction? I just don't know. While we're reminiscing does anyone remember "Cities of Gold". There just isn't enough quality children's television for students to watch when they should be working these days. I had this thought a while ago. It has been my ambition for sometime to find something that annoys me enough for me to be arsed to write to Points of View about it. I have been watching BBC tv constantly for the last three days and I am still as uninspired as ever. Any ideas? Geyv +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hewits at xxx.uk Thu May 27 12:55:06 1999 From: hewits at xxx.uk (stephen hewitt) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:55:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Useless bloody musicians Message-ID: <9188A3453EEED111BD7300805FEDEB6901AC75@PARK_EX> I sorry people but I'm afriad I'm about to rant. Carsmile are (for the forseeable future) no more, due to the pigheaded niavity of my bassplayer who insists the only way to 'make it' is to move to London NOW, even though we have no contacts or leads or anything and we've only been going a year, and we are *so* not ready to be signed (even though I loved what we were doing, I wouldn't have signed us). And the whole concept of 'making it' it driving me up the wall. They seem to be fixed in some 'Shed Seven/Bluetones/Britpop' tunnel vision, where a record deal will change their lives for the better and solve all their worries and is the only possible solution to their problem. All I want is to make vibrant, exciting art and let as many people as possible hear it and I really don't think that moving to smelly old London on a wing and a prayer would get me any nearer that goal. No bloody staying power these youngsters, they want it all straight away. Ahh, that's better. According to my sources the Inspector Gadget cat was indeed called Madcat, and the Dog on Happy days was called Mr something-or other, and went 'ray-ronzie' and did that thing with his thumbs like Fonzie. Hold on, dogs don't have thumbs. Maybe it was Mr Cool, but I think I might be dreaming that. Now that I am a solo singer (I can't write music, I only do the words) the whole Stars in their Arse thing is looking like a reasonable idea. How do you think Mark E Smith (who I apparently look like) would go down with the grannies (oh what a horrible thought). And enough of this Latin business. It always really pissed me off in Asterix Books when that old geezer said something in Latin, cos I felt I was missing a joke. xoxo Carsmile(hah!)Steve > ---------------------------------------------- > 'Slightly Anal About 80s Pop' > > carsmilesteve at geocities.com > > visit the historic record of Carsmile at http://fast.to/carsmile > > 'Anyone need a singer?' > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 9705516m at xxx.uk Thu May 27 14:00:06 1999 From: 9705516m at xxx.uk (David Andrew McNicol) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:00:06 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Glasgow Meet-Up Message-ID: <7F773251610@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Ailsa wrote: >Alternatively, if anyone has a house and doesn't mind us throwing >up in it, I quite fancy a shot of Carsmile Steve's Eurovision >drinking game :) As long as I get to see Snow Patrol (they should be playing at around 9pm) then everyone is welcome to enjoy the wonderous moments of Eurovision at my flat. And it's only 5/10 minutes walk from the Uisge Beatha up near the Uni (Southpark Ave) (probabley nearer 5 minutes but depends on your state I suppose). No B&S content but I did go and see the Delgados last night, and they were fantastic, the High Fidelity were great too. It was weird though, getting in after the gig, turning on Radio One and listening to the gig again - not that it wasn't worth listening to twice! Since this I've just been given my voice, and I haven't said anything about myself I suppose I should maybe tell you all something about myself. Although theres nothing to tell, I'm a student and I love music - My taste is very eclectic - Beastie Boys, B&S, Broadcast, Delgados, Sportique, Lower, and also things like China Drum, Soulfly, Green Day, etc. etc. I have to agree with Geyv who wrote: >There just isn't enough quality children's television for students >to watch when they should be working these days. There isn't, if only they could bring back the classics, the old smurfs - NOT the new ones, the fraggles, and of course Cities of Gold. Think I should go and work now, but if people are wanting to watch Eurovision then let me know. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordi-tv at xxx.com Thu May 27 10:25:37 1999 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:25:37 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The day after the revolution Message-ID: <19990527132537.HM.000000000014jrD@mixmail.com> B&S on TV, !! I NEED THAT TAPE !! I can trade it for rare videos of Tindersticks or PJ Harvey. Or the audio tape that I got yesterday from the radio of the B&S Barcelona�s gig. I had to wait until 2:00 at night, but it�s great sound. To anyone who attended this historical gig: the first song is the "Tigermilk" instrumental ? is "Tigermilk" is the only instrumental that they have ever made ? if this last is true, then it is. the topic: I don�t know if the name of that Pulp song would fit into what happened yesterday, because we had less disturbs than it was expected. The European Union is making the hooligans calm down. Unbelievable. I�m feeling a bit strange, because I am an associate of the FC Barcelona since I was 5, I had the right of buying a ticket and I didn�t. And there was people who were selling tickets at about 800 pounds. Um..... well, let�s say goodbye before I start thinking on this last.... If anyone can answer me for the video tape, use my other adress: jordi at belleandsebastian.org ================================================== Jordiet Sinistre ================================================== Tu E-Mail Gratis en http://www.mixmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rehakk at xxx.edu Thu May 27 13:27:58 1999 From: rehakk at xxx.edu (Kimberly Rehak) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: No subject Message-ID: yesterday was a horrid day for me, so i reason with myself and tell myself that you all *really* want to hear about it (some b&s content too!) so i begin: well, first i went to give blood. and was rejected. i felt so useless. i thought that you only had to wait six months to give blood after you get your nose pierced. oops, it's a year...i got some free pizza though for my "attempt" then, after that at lunch, i got to explain my relation to andy warhol (yeah, i'm living my 15 minutes through him). they weren't impressed though. "your grandfather was his cousin and grew up with him? we need some closer relationship, kim..." which is somewhat hard considering he's dead and i was only a wee tyke when he was still kickin. so i finish the afternoon making mistake after mistake (i think my mind ran away) at work--i.e. walking back to the building then having to return all the way back to the van to get what i was supposed to bring back inside, etc... when i went home i asked what i have been asking for about the past month or so "did i get any mail?" and FINALLY my jeepster packages have arrived. (it took about a month and a half with airmail and the works. i understand that they are backloaded and etc. but when you get it, it is packaged so cute that you don't mind waiting. you appreciate the effort. so be patient everyone who was asking aboutwhen their orders are going to come!) i quickly get everything in order: pins on the bag, poster on the wall, shirt in the laundry (because i need to shrink it). then when i go to the mall--mom lent me her credit card to go buy "normal jeans"--the first thing i do i lose on of those badges. i looked everywhere with a neck like an osterich's but to no avail... then i was driving in the car, singing to a tape of b&s and these kids in their mummy's car next to me start harassing me. they kept looking at me and laughing. then driving they slow down so they are right next to me, beep, i don't look over, then they speed up, and start imitating me. ( iwas going to flick them off but i didn't want to be as immature as them so i just taped my middle finger on the steering wheel and that's whaty they were imitating) THOSE BASTARDS! they made me so pissy! and, on top of it all, i had to go to the bathroom!! should i have flicked them off?? i kind of wish i would have, that or stuck my tongue out... after that i picked my friend up, we went back to my house and watched "persona" my favorite ingmar bergman. i just love bibi andrerson. tangent: does anyone know of a website devoted to her? i searched but all i found were NUDE BIBI. and, frankly, i'm not allowed to visit porn sites at work. :) and then we went out for tea. and the evening ended quite peacefully (after i forgot about those dumb boys) and that was my day. now, onto more important things: you lot all seem to have unfavorable feelings towards the bagpipes. what do you think about the accordion?? it's kind of a family tradition to polka at weddings (i love it, i get to dance with my grandparents, they whirl me around). and my uncle plays the accordian. i think it's so bad it's fun. someone mentioned muppets. now i don't want this to start into a muppet thread. it's just my mind works in odd ways. i had a professor lastyear who looked like a muppet. professor shapiro=french history. but didn't someone mention a band named the shapiros? (see, totally off the muppet topic) oh, how much i would give to hear them... i just went to a website fof the popes favorite movies. crazy. on the topic of fish names. i think i am going to get me some fish tonight...watch out ree, they're coming to the apartment next year! well, that's all i can think of at the moment. KIMberly xx the girl with the bad day +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Thu May 27 13:31:15 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 05:31:15 PDT Subject: Sinister: Inspector Gadget movie with real actors coming up!!! Message-ID: <19990527123116.59837.qmail@hotmail.com> Well, had to check out "Inspector Gadget" on Yahoo, and looky what I found!!! >Synopsis: It's a comedy with a thousand moving parts! Wowser -- it's Walt Disney Pictures' live-action family comedy "Inspector Gadget." Based on the popular cartoon character of the same name, "Inspector Gadget" is a wild and quirky adventure comedy about a somewhat-naive security guard who is literally blown to pieces by the nefarious Dr. Claw. A sexy scientist named Brenda Bradford rebuilds him into a man of many talents and accessories. Using his vast array of grafted-on gizmos to bust bad guys, Gadget is out to fulfill his dream of becoming the world's top detective. As he penetrates Riverton City's darkest underworld, he unwittingly discovers that the man who blew him apart also happens to be the villain who murdered Brenda's father! The often-clueless Inspector Gadget must use all his common sense and robotic parts to crack the case -- and save not only his good name, but the world.> Too bad it's Walt Disney Pictures. No big boobs and quite clear references to prostitutes like in the cartoons. Darn. And Inspetcor Gadget is played by... Matthew Broderick. Doesn't sound that good... @-->-- Jake. "What, this turkey? No way, this ones got attitude!" -Donald Duck Hats off to ManUnited. I actually got a tear in my eye when they lifted that trophy yesterday. Sniff. Robert Smith was wrong: Boys do cry. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tjohn at xxx.uk Thu May 27 13:36:02 1999 From: tjohn at xxx.uk (Timothy Roberts) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:36:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: dont worry, not many of them can read Message-ID: <009001bea83d$9b094520$cc50883e@Poberts> i think ill refrain from even mentioning dundee, last time the subject came up i recieved threats of bodily harm from more than one (well, two) dundonians just because i happened to mention it in a less than compimentary context. im not joking. actually im not sure if one of them counts because it began with the sentence "if you ever come anywhere near dundee i will etc" so its a bit of a moot point as i have no intention of ever doing that. just so Iain McG knows what to expect, cos i was much more polite than him. and then he was talking about montrose. Every thing he said about it was true, and yet it is still something of a cultural hub for all us country boys. in fact i actually bought TBWTAS in john menzies in montrose. and i still follow Montrose FC, although this just involves watching the results come through every weekend then saying "oh, montrose lost again". my life is depressing enough without actually going to see them play. im not going to say which town i live in, that would be leaving myself open to cheap shots from anyone who knows the area. from tjohn. soon there will be a signature line here, with big-buddha-belly-bens website thing. vote batfink, you know it makes sense. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From peter.ramsdale at xxx.com Thu May 27 13:14:33 1999 From: peter.ramsdale at xxx.com (Pete Ramsdale) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:14:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 'toons....... Message-ID: <374D3729.B3466D8A@wdr.com> David McNichol said: >There isn't, if only they could bring back the classics, the old >smurfs - NOT the new ones, the fraggles, and of course Cities of >Gold. Bloody hell. Maybe I'm getting old. Classics? If we're talking classics, it's got to be Bagpuss, Mr. Benn, Chorlton and the Wheelies, Pipkins, Roobarb and Custard, Jamie and the Magic Torch, Hong Kong Phooey, and of course, the unmissable, magical, incomparable (and for that matter, most of the time uninterpretable) Bod. And probably late 70's Who, but the less said about that, the better....;-) Oh, those were the days. I remember when all this was fields, you know. lol p xx. -- ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ "I think I'll have.....a chocolate milkshake." - Alberto Frog (and his amazing Animal Band), "Bod". Pete Ramsdale - peter.ramsdale at wdr.com Phone: 0171 568 3836 ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rap101 at xxx.uk Thu May 27 13:54:31 1999 From: rap101 at xxx.uk (Archel) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:54:31 +0100 () Subject: Sinister: space boy edam... Message-ID: worst bagpipe experience of life so far: eating soggy pretzels in the main square in salzburg with nothing to divert me save a man in a kilt playing 'scotland the brave'. what happened to mozart? still, went on the 'sound of music' coach tour later that day, so it wasn't all grim. salzburg is on the whole a very boring place though, apart from the singing nuns. i've got to compile some questions for a bar quiz at the weekend, and i was wondering whether i dare to put in some q's about b&s. considering the quiz is in aid of breast cancer awareness, it's not exactly relevant, but i don't think i can resist. i can thereby track down lurking fans in york, you see. i don't know about jd salinger being a pervert, but i heard a terrible rumour about jimmy saville the other day. he did all this work for charity and kids, and was generally an old sweetie (apparently) but also donated sums of money to a mortuary in return for a half hour visit each week, no questions asked. hmm. necrophilia is also rearing its ugly head on this very campus - we witnessed a male duck trying vainly to have his way with a very much dead female duck the other day. no wonder york students are depraved. hugs, archel xxx ps: i think someone mentioned the well of loneliness by radclyffe hall. this book depressed me profoundly when i first read it, and that was before i even knew i had a sexuality, let alone where to put it. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Playforth do something pretty while you can don't be afraid rap101 at york.ac.uk skating a pirouette on ice is cool http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From k.watson at xxx.uk Thu May 27 14:36:05 1999 From: k.watson at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:36:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: What's all this about Weller? Message-ID: <005401bea845$df88b200$4e0129c2@sun> All this talk of the 70's WHO is making me dizzy, I'm dead impressed to have heard about Blake's 80 odd WHO albums, that's well good. I'd love to say I had 70 WHO albums, but unfortunately I'm down in the low twenties, so nowhere near what Blake has. I tried to find a site with some WHO songs on it to prove to you that the 70's WHO are in fact better than 60's Who, but there's not a lot out there. I guess da management has been shutting them down. The commonly held misconception that the WHO in the 70's were an Arena band with songs to match, is pretty much like when the general populace thought that the Jesus and Mary Chain were a goth band. The WHO's winning song formula didn't really change in the 70's, they just wrote more, and better ones, and plumbed a few synthesizers in here and there. It's also a bit off to go criticizing the lads, when they're on the list, all of them except Keith Moon of course, he died a long time ago. I think pretty soon I'm going to do a 70's WHO quiz on the list, just to see WHO's been paying attention. I'm listening to the wonderful Maccaploitation soundtrack to Live and Let Die. Wardy would be proud. Cheers to Weejay for the kind comments about my Website. There's a picture of a bottle of Tonic Water there now... plus I'm gonna stick a webcounter on it tonight to check on how many of you gyppos have looked at it... it's constantly developing. Bye bye Owen wizard, have a nice summer holiday, same goes for the rest of the "bloody students" on the list. (That was a joke, I was a bloody student 5 years ago). Hello to all the people WHOse first posts have been made recently, you really all ought to post lots more often. Cheers, Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin at xxx.uk Thu May 27 14:18:09 1999 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin Robinson) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:18:09 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Jamie and The Magic Torch Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19990527131809.006edcf0@ampsys.co.uk> Hello again, All this talk of cartoons is fun, though I was never really a Gadget fan. Check this site out for cool theme tunes and stuff about your favourite classic children's TV. http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/1011/ Jamie and his Magic Torch is a personal fave tune there and Chorlton and his Wheelies is pretty cool. Both songs that Neil Hannon would die for. Am I the only one who used to be petrified of Chorlton and His Wheelies? I think I was only 14 at the time so it's not surprising. Anyway must dash as I'm in a relay race and the baton's coming my way. (Actually I'm at work and there giving me work to do today. Do they not know I've got better things to do?). Te ra, Martin Down the helter skelter, faster and faster towards Cuckoo Land. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kristine at xxx.no Thu May 27 16:04:24 1999 From: kristine at xxx.no (kristkv) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:04:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: japanese music Message-ID: <374D5EF5.ECCA96D8@bulls.no> Someone asked about japanese music a while ago. If you go to http://www.sowhat.no you´ll find a link to a page that might interest you -Kristine +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 9705516m at xxx.uk Thu May 27 16:18:55 1999 From: 9705516m at xxx.uk (David Andrew McNicol) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:18:55 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Bagpuss is scary! Message-ID: <7F9C3B61733@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Pete Ramsdale said: >If we're talking classics, it's got to be Bagpuss, Mr. Benn, >Chorlton and the Wheelies, Pipkins, Roobarb and Custard, Jamie >and the Magic Torch, Hong Kong Phooey, and of course, the >unmissable, magical, incomparable (and for that matter, most of >the time uninterpretable) Bod. I have to disagree with the Bagpuss thing, I'm sorry but that program was not a classic it was down right scary, along with the Clangers, but maybe that's just the way my mind works - Button Moon was a classic though! Also on the subjetc of Mr Ben, even though I wasn't has anyone heard anything about a film version, i heard something a while ago but nothing since Dave +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rehakk at xxx.edu Thu May 27 15:21:27 1999 From: rehakk at xxx.edu (Kimberly Rehak) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Inspector Gadget movie with real actors coming up!!! Message-ID: jake (who's probably getting drunk right now--or is that tomorrow??) said: Well, had to check out "Inspector Gadget" on Yahoo, and looky what I found!!! >Synopsis: It's a comedy with a thousand moving parts! Wowser -- it's Walt Disney Pictures' live-action family comedy "Inspector Gadget." Based on the popular cartoon character of the same name, "Inspector Gadget" is a wild and quirky adventure comedy about a somewhat-naive security guard who is literally blown to pieces by the nefarious Dr. Claw. A sexy scientist named Brenda Bradford rebuilds him into a man of many talents and accessories. Using his vast array of grafted-on gizmos to bust bad guys, Gadget is out to fulfill his dream of becoming the world's top detective. As he penetrates Riverton City's darkest underworld, he unwittingly discovers that the man who blew him apart also happens to be the villain who murdered Brenda's father! The often-clueless Inspector Gadget must use all his common sense and robotic parts to crack the case -- and save not only his good name, but the world.> Too bad it's Walt Disney Pictures. No big boobs and quite clear references to prostitutes like in the cartoons. Darn. And Inspetcor Gadget is played by... Matthew Broderick. Doesn't sound that good... anyway, this inspector gadget movie was filmed in pittsburgh, pa, usa--home of me. not that many good movies are filmed here in this shabby shitty erm...city. the ones i remember include an awful sinbad one, an awful stephen segal one...but mr. rodgers is produced here in pittsburgh (he's my friend's godfather--strange?) and the new kevin smith film was just filmed here too (woopie)...so maybe there's a little hope for this fair city. anyway, my wonderful creative writing teacher is an extra for the movie (inspector gadget). if anyone see it, look for a woman with blond curly hair with an angel's face and a bad haircut. thats her. archel was speaking about necropheliacs (i don't know if that's spelled correctly...). my friend was really drunk one night. another friend hit him on the nose and he started to bleed. instead of saying "i'm sorry i'm a hemopheliac" he said "i'm sorry i'm a necropheliac, i can't help it" needlesstosay, but he is never going to live that baby down. anyway, i apologize for posting twice in one day. you can flog me if you like. hey, i might even get some enjoyment from it. to all you US taxpaying citizens: thanks, your hard earned tax dollars are paying me to sit here and write this fini! KIMberly the girl with the iron lung ps. icq 39199492 if anyone is bored (like me) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fatslug at xxx.com Thu May 27 15:22:54 1999 From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:22:54 -0700 Subject: Sinister: I hate that duck Message-ID: Hello folks, The song which won this year's German "Song for Europe" has bagpipes in. Don't get excited though, you won't be seeing it on Saturday as it has since been disqualified. The presence of bagpipes may have been a contributory factor, but the real reason for it's disqualification was much more "My Lovely Horse". The bookies are tipping Iceland to win Eurovision, but I think Israel are going to make it two in a row with their very own top boy band Eden. Eden nicked all their ideas from Roolz you know. Will all you people who went to see St Etienne recently be asking for your money back? My guess is that they used an animatronic robot Sarah Cracknell to replace the kidnapped genuine article. Did she wave feather boas around? The real Sarah Cracknell is allergic to feathers, so it definitely wasn't her. Carsmile Steve, I told you, any fool can play bass. Just find someone who looks rock'n'roll and stick the damn thing around their neck. How do you think Warrander ended up in Roolz? In the unlikely event that they can't pick it up in a couple of hours you can always turn the volume right down and let them posture instead. No one will notice. Honest. I mean, you don't want Mark Bloody King do you? You can't be that anal about eighties music. If monkeys are the new Rock'n'Roll will Keith Harris be making a comeback? Kevan The Fat Slug Have you Rooled? http://www.roolz.ukf.net/ *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Thu May 27 15:16:47 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:16:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: everyone who is real does not have a name Message-ID: <8025677E.004E71C1.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Cripes - I've got a name. So I'm not real then? Mindfuck man mindfuck... John Cale and Lou Reed once sang a song about faces and names not making any sense to them. Must have been the years of drug abuse. Anyway, they went on to wish that all faces and names were the same, which I don't think would be much of a solution at all. Just imagine the confusion. Fools. I think we are allowed to flame people who aren't on the list. Or perhaps they are on the list. If so, I'm very very sorry John and Lou - I think you're great and I know you were only singing about Andy Warhol really. I bet Blake will catch hell from lurker Don Henley when he reads your post dissing the Eagles. Youn went on to write: >>sometimes it has to do with when people appear contrary to your expectations. that is what is happening to me now in the process of email personalities and names becoming attached to faces. an example of this is someone whom i mistakenly thought would be indian with an olive complexion and huge dark eyes and heavy lashes, but my stock of proper English names was incomplete. he turned out to be all fair hair and peaches and cream complexion and extremely innocent looking, which made everything he wrote or that was written about him seem all the more shocking.>> Call me self-centred, but I actually thought Youn was writing about me here until I got to the bit about fair hair. Actually, it's only because I've got an Indian surname that I thought that, I'm not really self-centred at all. I'm great, me. This 'no one knows you're a dog' business - I have to confess to you Youn (Youn Jong?) that despite having exchanged quite a few emails with you, I have no idea what sex you are. You could let me know if you like. You don't have to show me or anything - I'll take your word for it. Archel wrote: >>i don't know about jd salinger being a pervert, but i heard a terrible rumour about jimmy saville the other day. he did all this work for charity and kids, and was generally an old sweetie (apparently) but also donated sums of money to a mortuary in return for a half hour visit each week, no questions asked. >> Which is quite the most distubing thing I've heard in a long time. Next you'll be telling me Johnny Morris was a paedophile. Talking of celebrities with dark underbellies, my friend Dave actually made up a joke once all on his own that I think is very funny (I apologise to international readers who will be unfamiliar with cryptofascist twins of evil Ross and Norris McWhirter - they used to guest on the Record Breakers Show and show off about how they had every world record in the world ever stored away in their big heads) Q: Why did the IRA kill Ross McWhirter? A: He knew too much. Why has no one made a joke about Lawrence Dallaglio being caught in a Honey Trap? You could throw in phrases like 'Fey and vulnerable' somewhere. Once again, I apologise to international readers. Unreservedly. For everything. Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From daragh_lynch at xxx.com Thu May 27 15:34:54 1999 From: daragh_lynch at xxx.com (daragh lynch) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:34:54 GMT Subject: Sinister:.....bunch of savages in this town. Message-ID: <19990527143455.79613.qmail@hotmail.com> hello friends, well, another first post. here goes....i've been lurking around here for about four months now and have been threatening to post for some time now. i had always said that when i finally did, it would be intelligent, witty and thought-provoking. thats probably the main reason why its taken so long...i planned to put loads of effort and sweat etc. into it.....but today i am feeling a likkle bit cheeky and thought i'd go for it. as a result, this is not gonna be witty or thought provoking, and as for intelligent......HA! idontthinkso. you must understand, actually i should make it clear right from the start, i don't have anything interesting to say and, more importantly, there will be no B&S content (sorry honey, who incidently is the best list mummy i've come across). there may be....if i can think of some, or i could make something up...hmmm.... anyways ijust have a few small points to make, and then i'll be gone: 1. i wish hotmail had bullet-points. i like them. oh well, i'll have to make do with numbering. pah. 2. it was a few months ago now, but someone mentioned a book called 'the secret history' by donna tartt. i second that recommendation. it is definitely my favorite book ever and definitely worthy of a classmark in the sinister library. at the moment i'm reading 'the letters of william s. burroughs' and its starting to get to me. i think i might take a break from it for a bit, its a tad disturbing. 3. on the subject of goths, has anyone else noticed how out of sorts they look in the summer time. now and again you see them sitting around in parks, but not in the carefree, lazing way most people enjoy. no, they seem ill at ease or something. i feel a bit sorry for them. i'm going to start walking around parks searching for goths and handing out brightly coloured bermuda shorts to those in need, war-on-want style. maybe it'll cheer them up a bit. grumpy bastards. 4. this is pathetic, i know, but after scouring belfast (where i live) and coming up empty handed, i have no other option....would anyone be willing to make a copy of tigermilk for me? i'll swap anything i have for it or will pay...pretty please. please mail me privately if you can. 5. can i just say hello to louise and seamus. we had our own little meetup before the dublin show, and even though there were only three of us, i had a great time. we should arrange something over the summer, in dublin maybe? 6. i think thats me done for now, so i'd better be off.oh yeah, i've never got anything stuck in my nose/ear but a friend of mine once caught his foreskin in his zipper and had to go to hospital to have it removed. i've over-stepped the mark now, have'nt i? i think i'd better leave. love, daragh. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From peter.ramsdale at xxx.com Thu May 27 15:16:17 1999 From: peter.ramsdale at xxx.com (Pete Ramsdale) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:16:17 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Jamie and The Magic Torch Message-ID: <374D53B1.5502B9CD@wdr.com> .....well, more re: Chorlton and the Wheelies, actually. Chorlton didn't scare me a bit. Nor his Wheelies. That bl**dy witch used to scare the living daylights out of me, though. And her kettle. Gives me the heebyjeebies just thinking about her. Fenella, I think her name was. Ugh. What an evil old bint. Scarier than Doctor Who on acid, and I am totally unashamed to say that, although I never saw a lot of Doctor Who, it has given me the ability to describe the back of our sofa in perfect detail. The only thing that makes me cower behind the sofa these days are those really loud bits in "Like Herod" by Mogwai. And they've also caused me to set fire to bits of my carpet on various occasions. Yes, folks, never partake in setting light to cancer sticks while listening to the 'gwai. 'xept when you see 'em live, of course, when it adds to the whole atmosphere and when it would positively be wicked not to smoke. (Well, I had to shoe-horn in some B&S content somewhere. Almost.) On that topic: my claim to fame - I've DJ'd after a Mogwai gig at the Arts Centre in Colchester. We ran out of tunes we liked after an hour, so for the last 45 minutes we had the members of the band choosing tunes that they wanted to hear, and we played 'em ("We" being DJ Bluesmoke (me) and DJ Travelcard (my mate) - deary me.) Fantastic bunch of lads, they are. Dominic danced to "The First Big Weekend", too, which managed to raise him even further in my esteem. And yes, much Belle and Sebastian did get played...... Well, that's about enough egotistical back-slapping for one day....:-) Adios, lol p xx. -- ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ "'Ullo, little old lady....." - Chorlton sums up the courage to talk to the nasty little f**ker in the kettle..... Pete Ramsdale - peter.ramsdale at wdr.com Phone: 0171 568 3836 ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sillas_luap at xxx.com Thu May 27 16:12:42 1999 From: sillas_luap at xxx.com (paul sallis) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 08:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: : "Do something Cavey!" Message-ID: <19990527151242.8817.rocketmail@web308.yahoomail.com> Err, whats occurring here people, the classic cartoon thread is turning senile and is in desperate need of a colostomy bag and zimmer, and no-one has mentioned 'Captain Caveman'!!! I have very fond memories of watching Cavey-wavey as a kid, and, as ashamed as I am to admit it, I think I may have even nutured a itsy-bitsy luv-thang for one of the three buxom lasses that used to follow Mr Caveman around on his club-wielding adventures. Oh dear, I think I've said too much. P. ps: Other greats: Wacky Races,Catch the Pigeon, Bric-a-Brac (not a cartoon as such, but a deserving addition. I wanted one of those funky yellow truck things sooo badly), Dogtanian, and (ahh!) the Flumps. Mmmh, enough of this painful Reminiscing. Isn't todays TV crap. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From peter.ramsdale at xxx.com Thu May 27 15:54:00 1999 From: peter.ramsdale at xxx.com (Pete Ramsdale) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:54:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: Bagpuss is scary! References: <7F9C3B61733@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: <374D5C88.A63B4A87@wdr.com> David - How on earth could you find a harmless , saggy, old, cloth cat scary....;-) All I used to think was "how in the blue blazes does that girl make any money out of that shop?" Bloody good question if you ask me. I mean - she didn't sell anything. Ever, in fact. She just gave it back to the rightful owner. Personally, I think it must have been a cover up operation for massive drug trafficking - imagine if you will: person drops off a small plastic ship or a ballet shoe outside emily's shop. Unbeknown to the general public and unsuspecting pre-pubescent viewers, there's a huge wad of cash inside. Emily takes it into the shop and Bagpuss and his mates get going. Madeleine the rag doll sings a bit, Gabriel the toad does a wicked George Formby impression on the ukel..uki...ukeliel...banjo, Professor Yaffel the carved wooden bookend sits there going "Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah" for a bit, and then the mice on the mouse organ turn a bag full of butterbeans and breadcrumbs into the finest coke this side of Lawrence Dallaglio's hotel room (there you go, Nick, that's as close as I get). The aformentioned class 'A' drug is then stuffed back into the ship/ballet shoe, and shipped off back to the owner, straight under the nose of Her Majesty's Customs and Excise. Foolproof. Anyway, I'm off home. Maybe there'll be some proper B&S content tomorrow. Sorry..... lol p xx. -- ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ Life is full of regrets, and I've had a few, as Frank Sinatra once sang, before hiccuping loudly and falling over sideways. Pete Ramsdale - peter.ramsdale at wdr.com Phone: 0171 568 3836 ---------------------------*||*------------------------------ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. 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WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Thu May 27 16:04:03 1999 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:04:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: slowly, my trousers fell down In-Reply-To: <374C0064.4628E449@cs.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990527160403.007a9cb0@mail.u-net.com> Alasdair Cook wrote: >Didn't Big Country do the music for the old McEwans lager adverts? The >one that Ricky Fulton did on Scotch & Wry. Oh dear, too many Scottish >references, must stop. Sorry. Was that the one with the grey people wandering around a grey and dark landscape sort of thing? If so, that was Win with 'You've Got The Power' (I think). Could be a different advert. Who knows. Anyone heard the Younger Younger 28's single? It's quite good really, very poppy and catchy. What a beautiful day it is! Only spoilt by the imminent homecoming of a football team whose name I won't mention, who are going to cause all kinds of rush hour chaos with a parade on a bus up the A56 into Manchester town centre to celebrate the fact that they won some stuff. Bastards. JJ x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jeanette at xxx.com Thu May 27 11:37:47 1999 From: jeanette at xxx.com (Jeanette) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:37:47 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Just Say No to cartoon threads Message-ID: <374D2070.1035@ktc.com> Hey, kids! Enough with the cartoons, already! You're making me feel very old, as I've no idea what most of you are talking about. And if another Fraggle Rock thread rears its ugly little head here, I'm gonna scream!!! Sorry. I'll go back under my rock now. Jeanette (who used to rush home from school to watch Kimba the White Lion and The Banana Splits) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.net Thu May 27 16:40:34 1999 From: honey at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:40:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Stop the pigeon Message-ID: A Whisper from Mum Erm.. experience teaches that this list gets a little lost when we get as many posts going off in as many directions as we are just now, or, so far down so many off-centre-ish topics. I'm saying this with a certain level of trepidation, because it's pleasing to the eye to see such a return to happy nattering, plus, I know all the Wacky Races cars off by heart, and would probably talk about them for hours, driving you all to tears. But then, we've done the subject of "programmes when we kids" a lot before, which caused a little consternation in the end, and there's always the search on the WWW site if you really want to rub your nose in it. Just that - to avoid the thing we all consistently hate, i.e. schisms and repeated posts and "there's too many posts to read so I haven't checked my inbox yet but I'm going to say this anyway...", the last two years' experience teaches that a teensy bit of foot-braking could be applied just now. The principle is: when the majority of people who post haven't got time to read the majority of posts to the list, we become separate communities, and we all start repeating what each other are saying, or getting slightly frayed at the edges at threads we don't like. Someone who loves getting 50 emails today might hate it next week because they have a stinking headache and a pile of dishes to wash. I realise I'm running a big risk here of coming out bottom in the List Crush (can you vote negatively?), but I'm being Mummy, OK, and just doing a gentle nudging, so please don't shoot me with a big gun. I realise this is a very hard balance to find. This isn't a list where you just discuss B sides or bootlegs, and I've never wanted it to be one. All I'm doing is suggesting a teensy bit of thinking about whether, say, 75% of the people who are about the received the mail waiting in your Outbox will gasp with delight or might a few groan just a little under their breath if it comes on top of all the others? Also pleeeease let not this spark off another debate on the list about list content. And PLEASE! I'm not thinking of anyone specific here at all, in spite of the fact someone will mail me and say "don't pick on me!". I don't know whose post I'm following but I "probably haven't read it yet" (TM) and I'm not thinking of anyone in particular. You're all delightful, yummy and gorgeous and cause many a twinkle in mummy's eye. Mum xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ETLRDHY at xxx.se Thu May 27 17:40:59 1999 From: ETLRDHY at xxx.se (ETLRDHY at xxx.se) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:40:59 +0000 Subject: Sinister: daydream believEr. Message-ID: <4125677E.005BC4D5.00@notes.ericsson.se> Hello, Okay, seeing the popular response from the list to the two recent topics on 'pet's names' and 'kids Tee Vee', I am at last convinced that my new topic won't be shot down in flames, not that that kind of thing goes on here. Right. You know when you're listening to your walkman right? Have you ever noticed how completely mad your daydreams are?!!! Mine are!!! They're completely chicken oriental. It was only when I was listening to 'Judy and the scream of Norses', when I caught glimpse of myself, mid daydream so to speak, and I thought, 'ere rich, you're a bleedin' fruitcake you are. Anyway this is what I dreamed *wobbly screen type effect here* "I'm at a rave. A big dark scary place filled with thuddin nosebleed techno and bedreadlocked crustafarians. It's abut 3am and the whole place is avin it large innit, when suddenly, the gentle, sweet sounds of B&S fill up the room. A few people glance warily around the place and out of the shadows emerge a few peaceful souls (don't laugh, this is a daydream) and everyone hugs and says 'You're brilliant' etc. 'Hooray, fluffy bunnies', 'I love B&S me!' " (At this point I realise this is a crappy daydream, whcih will probably result in a mass beating, so the scene in my head starts to change..........) "Now I am in a garden, it is a hot sunny day, the house is in Jerningham Rd, New Cross, (that bit isn't really important actually) and me and a few friends (real ones, not made up ones) are enjoying the sun when out comes the guitar and I start playing 'Judy...' ( I challenge anyone on this list to deny that they have EVER fantasised about picking up a guitar and blowing people's minds with stunning renditions of B&S songs ) and I sound great! I sound amazing!!! It's the sound of a baby angel's first words, and slowly the garden begins to fill with all my friends, from all the years, tons of 'em. They all sit quietly on the (JooooDy Annnd the Dreamm of HoorSES! I sing) grass and gaze upon me with awe filled faces. Then this girl I've liked for AGES appears and smiles coyly at me (if you're ever feelin blooooooo), 'wow, richard, now I see how stupid I have been this past 7 years' she thinks to herself, when suddenly, over the fence come a troop of ninja death men. The, by this time huge, assembled crowd gasp with terror, and one of the masked assailants says gruffly, 'Hand over your leader!' and all faces turn nervously towards Honey, who snuck in unnoticed behind the coy girl. 'NO!' I say, and slowly begin to remove my shoes and sock (which are clean and fragrant). The ninjas eye me suspiciously before I leap to my feet and take them all on with my own peculiar brand of kung-fu. After a lengthy battle they all lay defeated. I move toward the leader and pull off his mask to discover it is...........me!!!!! no, Darth Vader, erm that bloke who got off with my ex girlfriend, no, my old landlord etc., Pete Waterman blah, blah *wobbly screen back to reality* I need help don't I? richardxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Thu May 27 17:00:13 1999 From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:00:13 GMT0BST Subject: Sinister: Bagpuss is scary! In-Reply-To: <7F9C3B61733@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hello David asked: >has anyone heard anything about a film >version, i heard something a while ago but nothing since The last I heard the rights to a film version of Mr Benn had been bought by Dave Stewart. I just did a search on the internet and found a reference to a Mr Benn film which stars John Hannah and Ben Kingsly (Clown Union). It's supposed to be released in July and there's no mention of Dave Stewart whatsoever. Mmm, strange. Mind you the cast sounds good, so maybe the film will be good too. Maybe even as good as The Avengers. Oooh, Mum's just whispered in my ear, and I must say I found the gentle tickling frission quite thrilling. Mind you I think I'd better stop now. I'll just say that if you want to indulge yourself in TV nostalgia have a look at this site: http://625.simplenet.com/index.htm It's got everything from Fifteen to One to "Rolf Harris teaches kids to swim". Bye Robin xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MartinW at xxx.uk Thu May 27 17:18:50 1999 From: MartinW at xxx.uk (Martin Wilson) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:18:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: You Made Me Forget My Wensleydale Message-ID: <7F30E08893F4D11194770060084C6EA1127F0C@ntserver2.ucscarb.ac.uk> Well, 10 000 000 mails later we seem to be all agreed that Honey can e-mail his mates for advice on running the list. Great, now we can get down to important business like Sports biscuits. While I can understand the blend of cricket and an essentially bland traditional sweet snack product only edible with large amounts of tea is a marriage made in heaven, my vote goes to those really enigmatic ones where you can't tell which sport is being played. In the antique booksale somebody recommended Gabriel King's 'The Wild Road'. Well one half of Mr/Ms King's other work is also worth a read. That's the half who is M.John Harrison (Gabriel King is a nom-de-Wordperfect for him and some publishing agent working together). Judging by the stuff other people here seem to like I can recommend his semi-autobiog 'Climbers'. While this thread lives I must also get in my two top reads 'The Child Garden' by Geoff Ryman (totally twee) and Dylan Thomas' 'Under Milk Wood' - the book or the animated version. While I'm in a recommending mood, since zummer iz a cummin in I gave my ancient copy of Virginia Astley's 'FromGardens Where We Feel Secure' it's anual spin on the turntable. I don't know if you can still get hold of it but do if possible. It sounds a bit like what Gentle Waves would have had to sound like if Isobelle lost her voice. archel wrote: i was wondering whether i dare to put in some q's about b&s.... ...i can thereby track down lurking fans in york, you see. The answers are: 'Simple Things', the chinese one on East Parade, Oglethorpe, and behind the frozen fish isle in Sainsbury's but what are the questions? Anyway I don't lurk - I loom. Martin -------------------------------------------------------------- "If you want me look me up I don't exist in usual places Subtle as the wind is grey." -------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dunca_chap at xxx.com Thu May 27 17:24:08 1999 From: dunca_chap at xxx.com (Adam Chapman) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:24:08 GMT Subject: Sinister: Of bloody students and PJ Harvey...... Message-ID: <19990527162408.19710.qmail@hotmail.com> Ok, lets get this right; Pj is indeed from somewhere hereabouts, though to be honest she scares me rather, and as for Heavenly it could well be true but i only got into this P!O!P! thing a couple of years ago, and clubbing is not my favourite pastime, but who cares, its not likely to occur again is it? Like the *Narrow wizard*, i to will be off to uni, after a summer of crazy golf [its dull, but its a living....], must get back to that revision now. So long! Adam p.s. My dad once met Pete Waterman, apparently they share an interest in model trains, should anyone care... "Because I know that you know, that we know they don't know whats been going on.... " Gruff Rhys, SFA, 'Demons' ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Thu May 27 17:23:43 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:23:43 EDT Subject: Sinister: Stop the pigeon Message-ID: Thanks Honey, I wanted to say that, but I have no right. ;-) I got a bit of a shock every day this week when I looked into my mailbox, because I have no idea when I should read all these mails ... Antje P.S. Did I mention that I watched "Belle and Sebastian" on TV when I was a kid? ;-) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Thu May 27 18:11:09 1999 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:11:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Do as I do and scrap your fey ways Message-ID: <8025677E.005E687F.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Looming Martin stuck at the end of post: "If you want me look me up I don't exist in usual places Subtle as the wind is grey." And I hereby start a Belle and Sebastian related thread. Actually, that's a bit of a presumption on my part - other people need to reply in order for it to be a 'thread', don't they? And after that unreleased lyrics fiasco of last week I'm not sure I should have any confidence on that score. Oops, I'm playing the fey and vulnerable again card again - sorry. Incidentally, did you know if you look up 'fey' in a lot of dictionaries it doesn't give the meaning we all think it has at all, but only something about malevolent irish sprites. ANYWAY (I seem to be turning into Ronnie Corbett. Once again I apologise to the international community) what I was going to say was that this particular lyric has puzzled me for a while. I know it sounds nice and everything, but as I said to my flatmate "Is this a really poetic image that I can't understand or just a load of old guff?" He plumped for the guff option, but I wonder if anyone else is prepared to elaborate on what Stuart might mean by claiming to be subtle as the wind is grey. Is wind grey? Is Stuart subtle? Or maybe he knows wind isn't grey at all and that's the point. Also, if anyone has any idea what on earth Lazy Line Painter Jane is about that would be good to hear. I'm not interested in Mark Cassaroto's filthy theory, by the way. Ignore all this if you find even the lightest of ANALysis dull and it reminds you of school or whatever. I only say this because people have moaned before. Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Kt788 at xxx.com Thu May 27 19:34:51 1999 From: Kt788 at xxx.com (Kt788 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:34:51 EDT Subject: Sinister: Put down that prostetic head Eugene, you don't know where it's been Message-ID: My apologies for causing anyone undeserved misery and starting a mischievous thread. Really, I meant no harm, I'm just a bit thoughtless sometimes. Please forgive me. And to all of you with better memories than me, thank you. my brain sighs with relief. And one word: Thundercats! I have to go downtown now to do a bit of shopping. Downtown always scares me. It's all "historical", if you can call hokey gift shops and parking meters historical. and there's all these tourists standing around this dumb rock oooohing and aaaaaahhing and taking pictures. I try and tell them it's not even real, but they just don't listen. take care lovelies. And if there's any pilgrim paraphernalia I can pick up for you just let me know. with love from the planet, Juniper +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Thu May 27 20:38:13 1999 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (PJMiller) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:38:13 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Is Happiness Real? Or Am I So Jaded? Uh-Uh-Uh-Uh-Uh! Message-ID: <01bea878$766f4c60$LocalHost@itjfvkli> No discussion of bagpipes in pop would be complete without a lengthy dissection of this fine old instrument's role in Mike Oldfield's epic debut album "Tubular Bells", which features narration by Viv Stanshall, who (as Blake knows) was a great mate of Keith Moon of The WHO. I think that what happened to The WHO in the seventies is this: 1) Recording technology became more and more advanced, making Moon's drums sound like the Mighty Thor. 2) Synthesizers came in, alienating many fans, who associated them with ELP, despite their fantasticness. 3) The WHO's lyrics changed from a Saturday night "rev-me-up" feel to more of a Monday night gloominess. I believe this was due to heroin, which makes you feel like you've got an enormous pile of ironing to do. 4) Everyone felt the need to keep up with Led Zeppelin, so big bombastic guitars were in, as were extended blues boogie work-outs. Hardly P!O!P! art. 5) The WHO spent most of the seventies in America, especially at Tanglewood Music Shed. 6) Few people have ever forgiven The WHO for inventing rock operas, now the exclusive preserve of Marillion fans. He knows, you know... 7) Pete discovered the seventies version of The Teletubbies, and went all mystical, a bit like David Icke. 8) Roger's acting career took off, eventually culminating in "Buddy's Song". 9) John Entwistle's gonna buy a tank and an AERoplane! 10) They called an album "Dot to Dot with the WHO" I think that's all. I answered some questions about teddy bears and tennis earlier, but I deleted them because they weren't about The WHO. I'm looking forward to Keith's 70s WHO quiz. Keith has got FOUR MASSIVE SPEAKERS, according to his excellent website. How many have you got, Blake? And I think my description of Manchester United was spot on. Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From littlearsonist at xxx.com Thu May 27 21:03:58 1999 From: littlearsonist at xxx.com (Marie Elia) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Do as I do and scrap your fey ways Message-ID: <19990527200358.11246.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Nick.Dastoor wrote: >Is wind grey? Is Stuart subtle? Or maybe he knows >wind isn't grey at all and that's the point. >Also, if anyone has any idea what on earth Lazy Line >Painter Jane is about that would be good to hear. >I'm not interested in Mark Cassaroto's filthy theory, >by the way. simplethings is my Favourite b&s song, and i also often consider these lines and what they could mean. on the one hand, you just got to appreciate their beauty. but on the other hand, i don't know what scotland is like, and not to be a presumptuous and stupid american, but when i was in england, the sky was always a lovely shade of slate grey (i'm not being facetious; i really do love a grey sky). so i always think of wind being grey in england. that works for me... as far as LLPJ goes, i was actually thinking (while i was driving for 8 hours from pittsburgh to newyork (don't fall asleep...) the other day) what the song could be about. not to be smutty, b/c i know how smut is absolutely unacceptable and unwanted on this list, but it occurred to me that it could be about a prostitute. well, reading the liner notes, no. but come on: "a dose of thrush you got when licking railings" "in the mud on yr knees trying hard not to please" "you know a girl who's taxfree on her back" "you'll have a boy tonight..." i don't know -- seems entirely possible. listening to Dressy Bessy right now -- lovely poppy la-la-la stuff. the word bubblegum comes to mind... xoxo, marie _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From atremp at xxx.be Thu May 27 21:16:15 1999 From: atremp at xxx.be (Annie Tremp) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:16:15 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Qui? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990527221615.007ae800@mach.vub.ac.be> 70's Who, hmmm...? My dad claims he has every Who record ever made. I think this could even be true. That means i've probably subjected to it loads of times in my 'youth'. I don't remember much of that though, so i can't say if they were any good. But i'll be sure to cheat on that quizz Keith is planning and let my dad answer all the questions. Any country voting for the Belgian candidate on Eurovision will will forever be scraped from my 'must go there someday'-list. Still, even without that argument i don't think we'll be hearing much 'Belgium, 10 points' this year. As usual. As for pet names, i'll just say there's a long history of dogs named Scotty going on in the family. And Mauro Pavlowski is a grrreat name for a pet, don't ask why, it just is! Maurrrro, can't you just hear the cat purring/the fish blowing bubbles? It's a great name for a person too. Purrrrrrr... I think it was Fluffy Sarah who said that being British you had to eat crappy chips by law. Well, over here i think it's a law for grandparents to force-feed beer to their grandchildren. 'Nice', i hear you think. Believe me, it's not when you're five years old. 'Try it sweetie, you'll like it, yummm!'. Well, my stomach sure didn't. And is there another country where they sell beerfilled chocolates? Those a very nice. bye! Ann 61 from Zyrtec (having no car i decided to put my bus' number instead) Oh, and the person who's been planning to vote 12 times for me on the list crush site (i just know you're out there somewhere), you can start now you know. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.uk Thu May 27 21:45:06 1999 From: ian at xxx.uk (sarah cracknell) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:45:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: how does it feel to be alone? Message-ID: <013601bea881$f26f98c0$0670883e@default> hello my friends i am sorry that i must write to you in a downcast moment, rather than as my usual hipswingy-armwavey-maracashakey-type-of-girl self. however, i am finding it hard to be cheerful. you see, i am locked in a cellar and you appear to be the only people that care. today, the boy that lives here left me a bowl of tigernuts and some orange squash and informed me that this was a delicious nutritious healthy meal suitable for a rock star of my calibre. then he drifted away like a smile from a lover and left me to sit pondering the fickleness of fate: just last week i was a famous international groovesome babe. today i sit and regard the silverfish as they flip flop across the floor of my new home. the worst thing of all is that he hasn't installed any maracas down here. its mental cruelty i tell you. being deprived of my liberty is one thing, but i risk losing my place at the cutting edge of hand-held-percussion if i stay here much longer. fortunately, i have learnt the basics of electronic wizardry from bob stanley and was able to link up to the world wid web by cooing gently to a pigeon until it brought me a length of copper wire. i'm sure you know the procedure from that point. jessica, christa, you have been fooled, i am afraid to say. that person you saw was an impostor. i am saddened that i am so replacable. but perhaps bob and pete are not aware of the situation. i can peep under the crack of the cellar door and i saw the boy that lives here leaving the house in a blonde wig and a slinky catsuit earlier today. he was muttering something about a boy with a looper t-shirt and a pot of k.y. those of you who love me, i beg you to help. it is simple. all you need to do is send this ian fellow a plane ticket to north america (preferably somewhere hot) and a ticket to see saint etienne in concert. i can then get my pigeon to intercept the delivery and will be able to sing for you all once again. you know the worst of all this? you know why he kidnapped me? he only did it so that he could wear my terry underwear and feel the city air run past his body tara, if your bleached blonde army are on their way, i await my release eagerly and shall reward their efforts with a special sarah smile, bestowed only upon the most worthy. by the way, once i tried to put an elvis record up my nose, but it wouldn't fit. love sarah c. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lyricjunkie at xxx.com Thu May 27 22:08:39 1999 From: lyricjunkie at xxx.com (Natasha Rachel) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: The words that I deliver Message-ID: <19990527210839.11949.rocketmail@send304.yahoomail.com> Hello luvvies. Nick made the unprecedented and frankly shocking move of bringing up that belle & sebastian band. "Subtle as the wind is grey". Days in general, and not so much the wind, are what you could often describe as grey. I shouldn't really do what I'm about to, as it might make me sound all arty litterrati, but I'm trying to make a point, alright. In A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, James Joyce is always banging on about how the air was grey during his schooldays, and I remember it cuz it paints an evocative atmosphere without trying very hard at all. I think the fact that you have to look at the wind in a certain frame of mind to be able to say, Well yes, it *is* grey, is part of Simple Things. Struan saying that "IF you want me, I'll be there... to deal with all your problems" fits in with his presence being subtle, and something you have to search to find, and look at in a certain way to realise what you've got. He's letting the girl (or even us fans) know that he feels something strong, but he's not being pushy or overbearing about it, which might scare her off. Saying he does feel strongly about her, but will only act on his feelings if she wants it too, is so much more mature and secure than declaring undying love and expecting the girl to go all gooey and pledge hers in return, just because he has. I know some boys/men think this is an effective way to win the object of what they imagine is their love, but from experience, personally it freaks me out and makes me feel guilty, like I owe said boy something, especially if the attraction traffic isn't flowing both ways. I might be reading far more into Simple Things than Struan intended there to be, but if the song is capable of taking on a life of its own after leaving his pretty tonsils, then that's one hell of a compliment to the band's song writing abilities. That round of applause for being almost entirely ON topic. I'll take it with fries to go please. Natasha xx (who also finds a million other things that just have to be done crop up when she's supposed to be revising) "One can be just as attached to futilities as to anything else." _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ebalsom at xxx.net Thu May 27 22:21:08 1999 From: ebalsom at xxx.net (erika balsom) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:51:08 -0230 Subject: Sinister: lazy line painter jane Message-ID: <000a01bea886$d7abd800$aa4ba5c6@default> hello everyone! marie elia thought: >as far as LLPJ goes, i was actually thinking (while i was driving for 8 >hours from pittsburgh to newyork (don't fall asleep...) the other day) >what the song could be about. not to be smutty, b/c i know how smut >is absolutely unacceptable and unwanted on this list, but it occurred to >me that it could be about a prostitute. well, reading the liner notes, >no. but come on: "a dose of thrush you got when licking railings" >"in the mud on yr knees trying hard not to please" "you know a girl >who's taxfree on her back" "you'll have a boy tonight..." i don't >know -- seems entirely possible. i tend to agree with her... the "you know a girl who's tax-free on her back" line continues with "while you are working for the joy of giving". in the song, jane obviously seems frustrated with her life and wants to change it.... so mabye she becomes a prostitute...? i don't know, but it seems plausible enough... and then perhaps after having made her choice, she's a little apprahensive to let people know what she's been doing ("you are in two minds/ tossing a coin to decide whether you should tell your mum...") but then, the little story in the liner notes completely contradicts that.... all the same though....... erika xox. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vlass at xxx.com Thu May 27 23:03:45 1999 From: vlass at xxx.com (vlass at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:03:45 -0400 Subject: Sinister: toronto, f.l.b, oui oui oui! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19990527220345.00714924@mail.interlog.com> i have about 40 messages left to read so i hope this stuff wasn't already discussed... Courtney asked: >Are there any fans of Francesca Lia Block here? oh yes yes yes.. i read -weetzie bat- for the first time when i was in grade 11 and for the rest of the year i dreamt of finding my own Secret Agent Lover Man.. i was hoping he was hiding somewhere within the school cafeteria but of course he wasn't. high school sucked. anyway, now i do have my Secret Agent but i'd still like to have some of the food f.l.b describes.. it's always so good! and about zine libraries -- does anyone know of any canadian libraries? or rather, ontario ones? anyway, more important news: the toronto picnic is this saturday.. for those who don't know, we will meet at about 2 at the jungle gym which is in the centre of high park. having no idea where the jungle gym is, the appropriate one to email for directions is emily at melissa.thornton at utoronto.ca ... don't call her melissa or else she will kill you or give you the wrong directions. bring any sort of picnic-y thing you want and well, let's just hope it won't rain.. who's all going anyway? cha cha cha teri "i had a job in an office once, i never talked to anyone." ps - hello to erika balsom! i was an old reader of cheshire :) we design synthesizers: http://members.tripod.com/~meltingsnow/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.com Thu May 27 23:29:24 1999 From: ian at xxx.com (ian connelly) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:29:24 -0700 Subject: Sinister: compleat inspector gadget In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199905272227.PAA19994@wired.com> more than you ever wanted to know about the cartoon: http://gogogadget.simplenet.com/index2.html (and yes, MADcat is the correct but boring answer' get smart and name your pet 'brain' instead...) isn't it odd that matthew 'ferris' broderick is inspector gadget in the movie? ducking in and out, ian c At 12:11 PM 5/27/99 +0100, The Narrow Wizard wrote: >I think Dr Claws cat was refered to as madcat (MADcat?) but this question >has put me in mind of another question which has been puzzling me and my >friends for a couple of years now. There used to be a cartoon version of >Happy Days in which the fonz had a dog. Nobody I know can remember the >dogs name....can you? > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From heinitz at xxx.uk Fri May 28 01:06:53 1999 From: heinitz at xxx.uk (angel) Date: Fri, 28 May 99 00:06:53 GMT Subject: Sinister: X-Mailer: atlantis mail 32 Message-ID: <990528000653.n0008772.heinitz@pop.clara.net> if i had a fish, i'd call it Diesel Power. i don't have a fish. our list-authority on Stars in their Arse said: That's right Mike -- those are the basic rules, that and no one under the age of 14 (unless you're going to do Aaron Carter, and we have one lined up for an audition!) my sister, who's twelve, rang up to be Britney Spears and they sent her an entry form. i was hoping they wouldn't, i have misgivings about anyone letting my siblings on television. it hasn't happened so far, which considering i've got seven siblings isn't bad going. Tim Popkins said: No, you're thinking of Beatrix Potter, who learned all she knew about storytelling from Mistopher Chris Leonard's Little Struan stories. She's still on the digest, though. You should have seen the abuse she sent me after I joined in with the regrettably short-lived anti-rabbit thread. The language she used! Oooh! i read a book about Beatrix Potter once. turns out she didn't actually like children very much and wasn't as twee as you might think. don't ask for details which might stand up in court, because i can't remember any. is that libel? anyway, i ate some rabbit once. it was before i went vegetarian, so it was when i was little, and i remember being bewildered by the fact that it came in small cubes. i had visions of square rabbits roaming the countryside building geometrically perfect warrens and twitching their nasty little noses in time. abi, who's trying to think of ways to change the world. (haven't come up with anything yet) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Essexdog5 at xxx.com Fri May 28 01:26:54 1999 From: Essexdog5 at xxx.com (Essexdog5 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:26:54 EDT Subject: Sinister: B&S doc rocks shock! Message-ID: Broadcast from Planet Privileged! Forgive me, I'm a journaist (etc). I've just seen a preview tape of the BBC Choice B&S documentary and, surprisingly, it's really rather wonderful. Interviews with Richard, Stuart D, Mick, Mark Radcliffe, Joe Egg (200 Troubled Teenagers oganiser - there's brief footage of that night as well, using much the same shots as Select chose), and Sinistrine Caleb. The latter proposes that B&S straddle the art/pop divide - which must be very wearing on one's polyester gusset. The 'story' of B&S (which transposes the Seymour Stein visit to the States, for some reason) is told via a Bunty-esque comic named Sissy (arf!), read on a bus (yay!) by a (not very B&S) girl. Oh, and there's also a very telling moment where one member of B&S says something along the lines of "It's not all flowers in back pockets"..... (it may have been Mick). There are also two vids I hadn't seen before - one almost definitely featuring AwfulVoiceWoman from Sleater Kinney, and the other starring Isobel in a coffee shop. Oh, and there's some rehearsal room stuff too. Fortunately, this 30 min thangdango is actually superior to the South Bank Show doc on The Smiths. It's kinda pure! And if anyone knows (or indeed HAS) the B&S demo which includes the line "You're Kellogs and I'm Nabisco" (which appears in said film), I'd love to hear it! Ditto Tigermilk instrumental. I'm listening to the finished CD copy of Tigermilk as I type this. I only mention that because I'm so fucking EXCITED!!!!! B&S fans - we rool da skool. Yes. Ahem. Goodnight. Pip pip! Stephen. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From PaperSun23 at xxx.com Fri May 28 02:28:05 1999 From: PaperSun23 at xxx.com (PaperSun23 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:28:05 EDT Subject: Sinister: we're four boys in our corduroys Message-ID: I feel my Who feelings hurt by Sister Disco, though I must own a chuckle or two. Sarah, gets a big moon patroller hug! Does anyone know when CMJ is? I want to play it but don't know if it will be in September or in November again. How much Belle and Sebastian can one possibly hear in one day? I'm going for a record today. Do I get a point for the cardie? Someone actually told me I looked like a Gap girl because of my cardie...then I heard someone try to liken John Coltrane to grocery store music...all in the same day! Now the neighbors are telling. Whew, if only I were famous... fleeing before it's too late, moon patroller carrie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From melissa.thornton at xxx.ca Fri May 28 03:27:56 1999 From: melissa.thornton at xxx.ca (MelissaThornton) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:27:56 -0400 Subject: Sinister: straight from the inspector gadget site.....!!!! References: <374D2A17.9D75C9B2@inventa.se> Message-ID: <374DFF2C.648316CB@utoronto.ca> yello... well, i could not rest until the whole matter was settled...so here is what i found out about dr.claw's cat on an inspector gadget site: MAD CAT: "not much can be said for this evil cat ...it has a *sinister* smile with a tooth missing...and the cat is a little on the heavy side." i hope that eases some of your worries for the day. oh, and to clear up another matter, the name of the woman who had an affair with fellow listee, j.d.salinger, name is joyce maynard...she had written an article that had impressed the aforementioned listee when she was eighteen, and proceeded to have an "affair" with the guy when he was 50 years young. she was said to be "the embodiment of Pheobe Caulfield"...which is what i thought of when first seeing a photograph of her when she was 18... yours etc. emily "helping-to-ease-one-worry-at-a-time" thornton. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tinystar at xxx.com Fri May 28 05:54:32 1999 From: tinystar at xxx.com (jessica) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:54:32 -0400 Subject: Sinister: some girls are bigger than others Message-ID: <007b01bea8c6$58b80b00$521e05d1@oemcomputer> i'm continually amazed that there's a smiths quote for every occasion. there's likely something b+s that would be appropriate there as well, but i can't think of it right now. about the sinister photo page: hmph. not only does sultry courtney have boobs, she also has a strawberry tattoo in a provocative place. i'm afraid i can't compete with that. i should just give up now if there are going to be all these saucepots joining the list. for those of you who find that sort of flaunting threatening, you can look at the picture of sleepy me. perhaps courtney and i could band together and form a minxy alliance? that seems like the proper thing to do in these sorts of situations. that, and putting on my wonderbra. hello, cleavage. i refuse to believe that i have been fooled by a false sarah cracknell, although that k.y. story does sound about right. about llpj: i'm glad i wasn't the only one who thought that it was about a...erm...an active girl. i don't know if it's necessarily a prostitute, it seems to me like she just fucks to get what she wants (eeeek! language!). the obvious "you will have a boy tonight/you will have a girl tonight", "you're running miles in some boy's jumper". but there are a few b+s songs that seem to be about that sort of thing: 'stars of track and field' is the one that comes to mind, with "when she's on her back she had the knowledge to get her into college/when she's on her back she had the knowledge to get her what she wanted". oh, in 'seeing other people' there's the bit that goes "if they don't see the quality then it is apparent that you're going to have to change", like she knows she's good and she knows she can use it to her advantage. or he, actually, because gender's not established. i just get the impression from most of their songs that even if the main character (or whatever it's called) is portrayed as being aloof or naive or innocent, they're really quite cunning. i don't know, there's usually one line in a song that jumps out at me as being overt and that makes it seem that whoever the song is talking about knows themselves really well and knows which things to do to get their way. that's one of the best things about b+s, that the people they write about are so sassy. this is why i avoid discussions that analyse lyrics, because i just end up rambling and being circular and likely not making very much sense but instead revealing too much. and there is a certain person, let's call him matthew c....no, wait, m. crooker is better, who's a bit insecure about his photos on my sinister picnic page. so let's all reassure him that he most certainly does not resemble a hydrocephalic anthony michael hall. *mwah* jessicaxo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m (it's lovely being a girl) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mkolmar at xxx.com Fri May 28 06:37:46 1999 From: mkolmar at xxx.com (Mark Kolmar) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:37:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Sinister: some girls are bigger than others In-Reply-To: <007b01bea8c6$58b80b00$521e05d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: On Fri, 28 May 1999, jessica wrote: > oh, in 'seeing other people' there's the bit that goes > "if they don't see the quality then it is apparent that you're going to have > to change", like she knows she's good and she knows she can use it to her > advantage. or he, actually, because gender's not established What I get from this song is a story of early experimentation with homosexuality of someone closeted and in denial. He may have sold (rented?) his body at least once, not necessarily in a simple cash transaction though. It could be two females, but it mentions "other boys". The part about knowing where to put it is just a little easier to explain with males. The specific line you mention -- It sounds to me like the narrator and this guy have found themselves in some kind of relationship. It also seems like the narrator thinks the relationship is something more than probably either of them really care to admit. Maybe this guy can't get "the other boys". The "new, tell, elegant, rich kids" they go for may be mostly girls...the ones he might be better off going with. The song is ambiguous though, so you can trace a coherent thread in many different ways. --Mark __ Burning Rome : SENSELESS CD on Mindfield Records MindCD03 Cathartium 14 > Distributed by Dutch East India Trading, Com Four, and Carrot Top < < http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome > < MP3 & RealAudio tracks > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Fri May 28 07:12:25 1999 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:12:25 PDT Subject: Sinister: Jokes that offend women. Fuck. Terribly sexist. Message-ID: <19990528061226.74350.qmail@hotmail.com> Am I the only one who pays special attention to those posts that have some dirty words in the subjectline? Things about work: I fancy this girl here, I've had my eyes on her for quite some time now. And yesterday when we were on the train we just babbled about things, and all of a sudden I found out that she wears white knickers. Blimey. I feel funny. Ok, what do I do next? =) Ooh, what a hangover. Yes Kim, it was yesterday that I went out to see Teman Benaran in Semifinal (Sorru MARIA, a friend of mine called me around ten o'clock and invited me there, promised to buy me beer. So I had to go, sorry I didn't call you). 5 hours of sleep and now I'm sitting here at work, have no interest to do anything. We've all been there before, haven't we? But I must say, Teman Benaran rocked. Well, not rocked. Kind of a "Mano Negro meets latin dance meets jingely guitars"-music. Very original and very danceable. My friend plays percussions for them. And he was quite boozed up, looked funny when he was standing on the back of the stage and banged on the bongos like a chimpanzee. arf. Strange thing happened to me in there. I was just about to leave but I had to go to the toilet, and this one guy came up to me and said: "Hey, thanks for the 'Century of Fakers' ep, I taped it and it was great." Now, I've never EVER seen this guy in my entire life, so you can imagine how I reacted. I just stared at him and couldn't say a word. Well, it turned out that he had borrowed it from a friend of mine who borrowed the ep from me a few weeks back. What it strange is that I've never seen the guy in my entire life, like I said, so how the hell he knew who I was? I was wearing my B&S badge, but I doubt that was the reason why he recognized me. I was in a hurry to catch a bus back home so I didn't ask him about that, and now I'm baffled. but I have to call my friend today to ask him how in the fuck he can borrow my cd's to people I've never met. Grrr. Tried to listen to Godspeed You Black Emperor yesterday in this recordstore. Ok, 3 songs and 63 minutes. A bit different than that Gentle Waves. And I listened to it on the headphones while some other guy blasted out some Alec Empire (ATR) stuff out of the big speakers in there, so LOUD that i couldn't listen to Godspeed propely. So I really can't say anything about GspeedTBE. But it sounded good, the little I heard of it. Well, Inspector Gadget and prostitutes. Well ok, I'm not sure they were prostitutes, but I'm sure there was some big boobs on that one. And yes, it's sad that in a cartoon these things grab my attention. And now, time for a crappy joke. Why? Just because. A guy comes into a spermbank wearing a mask. He pulls out a gun and points it at the girl behind the counter. "Open the fucking safe or I'll kill you!!" he yells. "But this is a spermbank, we have no money here", the girl says. "Open the fucking safe! NOW!", waving his gun at her. So she opens the safe which is fulls of testtubes filled with sperm. "Now, take one tube and drink it down!!" he screams. "No way!" "DRINK IT!" he says, taking a step closer to the girl. She thinks about it for a while, then takes a tube, opens it and drinks it down. "Now, open another one and drink it down too!" the guy yells, still pointing the gun at her. The girl has no choice, she opens another one and gulps it down. After this, the guy pulls out his mask and, strangely enough, the girl finds out the the man is her boyfriend. "Now, you see? It isn't that fucking hard, is it?" Sorry about that one. Filthy me. Hmm, been here for two hours now, so I quess I'd better start working. Ta ta. @--->--- a rose, love and other stuff that makes you feel funny in your tummy, jake. "What, this turkey? No way, this one has character!" -Donald Duck. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Fri May 28 09:29:22 1999 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:29:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Cracknell by name, Cracknell by nature Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E2266FB5D@server1.HITEntertainment.com> I am writing to you today as I am a GOOD boy and in work far too early, so I don't have to feel guilty. I will, though ... Sorry Mr D, but my theory about LLPJ is *not* filthy, it's a profound comment on the weight of society and expectation on the vulnerable. To recap (1,000 groans reverberate metaphorically around the list - I like to see the list as some kind of spooky-dooky Tolkien-esque scroll somewhere, in a cave probably, with gothic characters written by spectral monks, but moving on swiftly), I reckon that Jane is just a Girl Who Can't Say No, whose only way of gaining emotional reassurance and acceptance is to sleep with anyone who wants her, or rather, a cold and emotionless shag. Therefore, "in the mud, on her knees" (obvious), "anyone, all the time" (ditto) "you know a girl who's tax free on her back.....while you are working for the joy of giving" (this is the line that shows she's not a prostitute, just a keen amateur :)). Jane also manages to pick up thrush while (this is the more, erm, tenuous part) leaning over and holding onto railings while being, um, taken from behind - the licking is the only thing she can do as she is very much the passive partner in the act, and it's a cold, pleasureless thing to do, but she still feels she should do it. Whether the thrush comes from the dirty railings or her dirty lover, who knows...and obviously she doesn't want her mum to know about her habits, but is still young and scared at the nasty infestation she's picked up, so she agonises about whether to confess. Buggered if I can work out what the line-painting's about, though - I reckon that LLPJ and It could have been...both feature the line-painting concept as Stuart thinks it's quite enigmatic and in keeping with the off-kilter characters that populate his songs. I'd love to know if there was more to it than that. Onto bigger and better things...poor Sarah Cracknell, locked up with Silverfish, of all people. I bet their atonal sludge-heavy racket is right royally pissing you off, though their cover of "Jolene" must make you smile on rainy Wednesdays. In fact, my knackered (make that "well-loved") Silverfish t-shirt has been responsible for some key moments in my life - I met my ex-girlfriend wearing it - for some reason she thought I must be cool (!?); and I got stopped by the police in it (they thought me and my mate were IRA terrorists, searched us, and then noted with delight that I was wearing the word "fuck" - though despite me getting lippy with them, I still managed to avoid arrest. hey ho). There was a famous piece in one of the music press a few years ago about Sarah Cracknell clambering over the fence at a pop festival while not wearing any knickers. I'll just leave you with that image for a moment. Anyway, the Camden Lurch - those were the days - no, really! If anyone would like to swap fond memories of Th' Faith Healers, please write - I'm a lonely soul these days... Why not name your new pets after your favourite listee? An outbreak of hamsters, iguanas and tarantulas called Ailsa Ross can only be a good thing... I actually though that Nick *was* Ronnie Corbett for a bit (the resemblance is quite strong in real life too) - he's on the list, obviously, but calls himself PJ Miller. Which explains a lot. That is quite enough, Casarotto. Just time to say check out http://www.belleandsebastian.co.uk/cgi-bin/mboard/belle/thread.cgi?215,0 and make sure you bloody come, the whole lot of you! Big fat Mark xxxxx ____________ "Tigermilking for a hobby, that's alright" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mctag at xxx.com Fri May 28 09:44:30 1999 From: mctag at xxx.com (Robert McTaggart) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:44:30 GMT Subject: Sinister: King Taggy meets the rulers uptown Message-ID: <374e51f8.5164574@post.demon.co.uk> Dear Rabble, It's a bit lively out there, isn't it? Such prolifererations of post normally mean one thing and that one thing is the cartoon thread rearing its ugly head again. Triffic. Man, I fucking LIVE Chorlton and the Wheelies TWENTY FOUR SEVEN, so I have no need to stoop to the level of writing about it. Manchester has been a thrilling and vibrant party city these last 48 hours, I don't think. To commemorate Lucifer's spawn's dark "triumph", we went to the pub and drank flagons foaming ale 'neath the stars, while Warrander "Statto" John bored our pants off with all the fascinating footballing facts at his fingertips until JJ called him as a very dull man, and Mrs Warrander "Statto" John nursed her "drink problem". Then it rained so we went inside and a narsty man shouted at us. Peter Miller's description of Manchester United was deadly accurate, I thought. I'm listening to your tape as I speak, Peter. It's very good. I also got a full-on rocksteady tape yesterday so now I am officially Taggy Dread. Tonight I, Pumpkinny, and her, Wumpkinny, are going to Scotland where we will hook up with some of the Belle's Angels Glasgow Chapter. I believe we are going to the 13th Note for Stephen Pastel's mucky film night, just in case any of you want to admire us in our finery. Tomorrow, we visit the land of my fathers, in search of Islay cheese, the most powerful aphrodisiac since Keith last made me a cup of tea. Not that we need it, you understand.. You can deny this all you like but I reckon Stuart Murdoch looks just like the singer from the Offspring. Have you ever seen them in the same room? I rest my case. Love and cutesy wootsy fluffy puppy dogs and kitty kats with candyfloss tails and jellybean willies, Tag xxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From i.am.sinister at xxx.uk Fri May 28 11:00:20 1999 From: i.am.sinister at xxx.uk (Sweetie) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:00:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: cool pet names Message-ID: <006801bea8f0$e63fa260$1738883e@anne666theasylum> Yes!!!! finally i have a voice!!! :o)))))))) at last i can speak!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry bout that but i have been a good girlie and waited patiently in the nursery playing nicely and quietly and now i am finally out in the big world! :o) anyway ciao for now my lovelies Sweetie. xxx ;oP +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordi-tv at xxx.com Fri May 28 10:32:05 1999 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:32:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Excuse my selfishness,,, Message-ID: <19990528133205.HM.000000000015Cep@mixmail.com> ... but I�m proud to announce you that one of my most loved treasures, the autograph that Stu M gave me at the train station of Rye, is now available at the "things we made in school tody, mummy" section of the sinister site. As you�ll find out, he�s not maybe a heir of the genius of Van Gogh, but the picture is funny. "You, having fun at the chalets.." he told me. I don�t remember anything more than this (maybe Robin does), but this moment is still in my mind, a month later. Take care everybody ================================================== Jordiet Sinistre ================================================== Tu E-Mail Gratis en http://www.mixmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From coool_air at xxx.com Fri May 28 13:45:50 1999 From: coool_air at xxx.com (Claire Timmins) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 05:45:50 PDT Subject: Sinister: King Taggy meets the rulers uptown Message-ID: <19990528124551.21154.qmail@hotmail.com> Pay day is here and Burger King for dinner, but why pink mayonnaise. Fools idea of burger condiment. The tagstepper delcared: >You can deny this all you like but I reckon Stuart Murdoch looks just >like the singer from the Offspring. Have you ever seen them in the >same room? I rest my case. No he dont, he really looks like Rick Mayall, and i think that's a great compliment. Claire ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Fri May 28 15:36:24 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:36:24 EDT Subject: Sinister: Papercuts Message-ID: <1e5fcb20.248003e8@aol.com> Hi sweeties, this is for Stevie Trousers and everyone else who is involved in Papercuts: I finally had time to read it and it's wonderful! I want to see more Emir Kustarika films now. I only know "Arizona Dream", which I love. All the others sound fantastic too. Are there any back issues of the fanzine available? I want to read part 1 of "Nee nee mun pish" (whatever that means :-)). I thought it was really moving, because I have a very good friend who suffers from ME. Sounds like you know someone too, Peter, or why is it that you know so much about it? Please let me know when the next issue of Papercuts is out, I want a copy! To everyone who hasn't read it yet: Order your copy now!! Antje P.S. Oh no, sweet little Stu looks nothing like that scary Offspring bloke! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Fri May 28 16:02:48 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:02:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: No Who content (but a bit of B&S) References: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E2266FB5D@server1.HITEntertainment.com> Message-ID: <374EB018.DB3A66D9@student.paisley.ac.uk> Why, hello there, boys and girls :) Mark Casarotto wrote: > Why not name your new pets after your favourite listee? An outbreak of > hamsters, iguanas and tarantulas called Ailsa Ross can only be a good > thing... thereby concluding that he is in fact clinically insane. Mark, me being everyone's favourite listee was *so* last week, dah-ling :) The next pet I get, I'm going to name Alix Campbell. Cos she made me a tape with Loneliness... (thank you, sweetie) on it and she made me laugh so much the other night with tales of Robbie Williams and goats' gonads and stoats that one of my contact lenses fell out. Last night I wrote a big long thing about LLPJ and then my computer crashed. Scarily, it crashed as I was noseying around SteadyMike's Bowlie photos, and it was a photo of Casarotto that made it crash. Hmmm. (There's a lot of photos of Trousers. That's "Trousers" not "trousers". Sometimes capital letters help. Who said the other day they were the only person on the list that put capitals in the proper place? I take great care to punctuate and capitalise correctly, now, I just have to add quality content to match and maybe you'll stick around to notice...) Anyhow the *reason* that Casarotto made my pooter crash is because he knew that my theory on LLPJ was almost the same as his. Though I had an bonus extra bit about "and you hope that she will see" with regard to having boys on buses being an example of classic symptoms of being me (I'm not sure if all low-self-esteemers are like this) of something not being a good thing unless other people see and approve of it. See, if you've got hideously low self-esteem, as I assume Jane must if she needs to go round shagging everything in trousers (as opposed to Trousers, see - the benefits of correct sentence casing) for a bit of validation, not only does all the casual sex make her feel wanted and exciting and probably better about herself for a few minutes/hours, it's all the better if someone knows she's doing it as that should make her seem like she is attractive, and therefore approved of. I would also hazard a guess that Jane likes a fair drink or too, as firstly that is how to get yourself in a situation where a quick shag seems like the answer to everything, and also how you fall asleep at bus-stops. And why you wonder what you're gonna do about it, before going out and repeating your never-ending cycle of loneliness and shame next time you get drunk. But that's just a theory, and probably not a very good one at that. What I *do* know, is that the sleeve notes bear a remarkable resemblance in places to the theme and video of TIGGERJAMMERS in places. Graveyards, places in the East End in Glasgow ("she went out to the Easter House"), erm, I can't remember why or how it all tied together so well in my head last night at about midnight, but it did. I'll maybe get back to you with a coherent theory later, but I doubt it. > I actually though that Nick *was* Ronnie Corbett for a bit (the resemblance > is quite strong in real life too) - he's on the list, obviously, but calls > himself PJ Miller. Which explains a lot. I used to go to school with Ronnie Corbett's niece. She's called Nickie too, you know. Coincidence? Quite probably. She was in the same year as top Daily Record reporter (see website press archive) Duncan "Rick" Fulton. And also top TV presenter Dominik Diamond. Colin Montgomerie (red-faced puffy Scottish golfer noted for coming second in everything) was at my school for a year in the 70s, and the school magazine gets to mention him in their "Old Boys" news (they never quite got a handle on the fact it went co-ed in 1983), except he's just lumped in with everyone else, giving rise to things like "Ailsa Ross completed an honours degree at Glasgow University, Crispian Fotherington-Ponce got married to Camilla Snootiness-Posh, Colin Montgomerie finished top of the Volvo PGA European Tour Order of Merit for the third successive year, our old headmaster now lives on a farm near Auchtermuchty..." etc, like it's an everyday thing for ex-pupils to be world-beating sports stars. One old boy is in the Scotland World Cup cricket squad, but that certainly does NOT make him a world-beating sports star. I was going to end with a smutty comment inspired by Sister Disco's revelation that he'd been "done" by the Who on Nationwide in the 70s, but quite honestly, the involvement of Frank Bough scares me, so I won't bother. That's why there's no Who content. I shall see some Scottish types tomorrow evening, no doubt, and I shall endeavour to catch up on personal correspondence at some point quite soon (sorry, I've been neglecting you, you know who you are...). Oh, "subtle as the wind is grey". Maybe it's "subtle as the wind, is grey". Meaning he is grey and that's as subtle as the wind, and and as a result is able to lurk in unusual places, unseen. A wind can be subtle, right? It's a variable concept of wind strength and subtlety. I was never very good at poetry crits at school. Can you tell? Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From justin at xxx.com Fri May 28 16:47:02 1999 From: justin at xxx.com (Justin Williams) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:47:02 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Non-B&S, Strength in Numbers Message-ID: <4.1.19990528104546.009bf9c0@delafont.com> Morning everyone, Sorry for the non-B&S content once again, but has anyone out there heard of a group called "Strength in Numbers"? I just discovered them last night, and my god they are great. All instrumental, blue-grass instruments (mandolin, violin, acoustic guitar, up-right bass, dobro (sp)?, banjo, etc.) but done in a classical style. It really sounds like classical music done with these instruments because each player is a virtuoso in his own right. More than once I found myself thinking that these guys might as well have been the ones that invented their respective instruments, they have them so mastered. Also, I heard my first Doc Watson (blind singer/guitar player) album and that man can play a fierce acoustic, better than almost any person with sight that I have heard. Good stuff. Well I was just curious, take care.... Justin W Felonius Monk "Often I tried the frightening way of "reality," Where things that count are profession, law, fashion, finance, But disillusioned and freed I fled away alone To the other side, the place of dreams and blessed folly." - Hermann Hesse, Wanderings +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From V0168JE2 at xxx.uk Fri May 28 17:55:06 1999 From: V0168JE2 at xxx.uk (V0168JE2) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:55:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: News of sorts (quickie) Message-ID: <199905281648.RAA08826@mailhub.solent.ac.uk> I'm surprised no-ones mentioned it yet, at least I don't think anyone has because the search thingys down and I have to go home now, but in the new select magazine it says that the B&S documentary will be repeated on real tv in July!!!!!! I must buy a video recorder. **----t h a t i s a l l------** xxx, weejay Blue Glow is now at http://diskant.future.easyspace.com/blueglow/ (This network is as sick as a dog. If you can't get through try maleslut at chickmail.com instead) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Fri May 28 18:41:14 1999 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E Hamilton) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:41:14 -0400 Subject: Sinister: My Defense of The Who Message-ID: <004401bea931$4a160000$951574cc@woody> Well, there have been some courageous things said about the good ol Who these past few days. Most have been in a vain attempt to disregard the Who's 70's contributions as 'senseless arena rock drivel'. Or something like that. Well, though 'i'm one' (name the album, freaks) with Sister Disco's love, I'm going to answer his laundry lists of things that happened with the Who in the 70s. Why, because I'm bored. No harm is meant towards Sister Disco or the many small furry animals grooving together with a pict or whatever. Sister Disco thus spake: 1) Recording technology became more and more advanced, making Moon's drums sound like the Mighty Thor. I say: Moons drums always sounded like the Mighty Thor, especially with 1978's chart buckling "Who Are You" LP. It was in 1977 when he first bought some electronic drums (whatever that means, someone help). They did sound like shotgun blasts, hopefully not at me Sister Disco thus spake: 2) Synthesizers came in, alienating many fans, who associated them with ELP, despite their fantasticness. I say: The Who's use of the synth is widely blown out of proportion. On 1971's "Who's Next" the only synths used (aside from Going Mobile and The Song is Over) are looped classics such as Baba O'Riley and Won't Get Fooled Again. Hey those synths are nice, exciting, fruitful, and the like. 1973's Quadrophenia used a bit more synth, including those electronic strings heard on Love Reign O'er Me and all that. It actually adds quite a lot to the album, and once again, the real usage of these are never as the primary instrument, unlike Yes, et al. Sister Disco thus spake: 3) The WHO's lyrics changed from a Saturday night "rev-me-up" feel to more of a Monday night gloominess. I believe this was due to heroin, which makes you feel like you've got an enormous pile of ironing to do. I say: The Sis is sort of right, though I'm not sure I Can See for Miles is 'rev-me-up'. Nor is My Generation, I Can't Explain. All are about uneasiness with one's self, and the inability to gauge how one should feel. It's a theme that would later unravel with The Who By Numbers and Quadrophenia. Both are pure religious awakenings in the field of teen angst. (and the music's delightful to boot) Sister Disco: 4) Everyone felt the need to keep up with Led Zeppelin, so big bombastic guitars were in, as were extended blues boogie work-outs. Hardly P!O!P! art. I say: Actually--Led Zeppelin modeled themselves after The Who. Roger Daltrey had the "i'm a hunk" look at least two years before Robert "I'm way too skinny" Plant (don't get me wrong, I'm skinny) decided to act upon it. John Entwistle, bass player for the Who, actually came up with the name Led Zeppelin. Figures. Sister Disco thusly speaks prophetically: 5) The WHO spent most of the seventies in America, especially at Tanglewood Music Shed. I say: Actually they spent it at Charlton. Damn rain. Sister Disco feels it worthy to whisper: 6) Few people have ever forgiven The WHO for inventing rock operas, now the exclusive preserve of Marillion fans. He knows, you know... I say: I forgive them. Marillion, well I just don't buy it... Sista Funk says: 7) Pete discovered the seventies version of The Teletubbies, and went all mystical, a bit like David Icke. I say: Actually, Pete went mystical in the late 60s. That's where all the 60s Who comes from. Tommy, Sell Out, you got it. One of the best tracks off of Who Are You chimes in and says: 8) Roger's acting career took off, eventually culminating in "Buddy's Song". I proclaim: Roger is actually a very good actor. I believe he is in some movie starring somebody famous this year. He was in a Tales From the Crypt on the late 80s when his body fell apart after catching some rare African flesh eating disease via a letter. Cus he really wants to know: 9) John Entwistle's gonna buy a tank and an AERoplane! I say: And a big boat with flashy harpoons all over it. I've seen it. When he catches up with me won't be no time to explain: 10) They called an album "Dot to Dot with the WHO" I say: You ever try to connect these dots? It doesn't work. John's a good artist. Don't go into children's books, Ox. And to your clubs and your tramps... blake -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- "Fuck!" - Jarvis Cocker +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Fri May 28 19:11:50 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (katrina house) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:11:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: jeepster news - b&s related 28/05 Message-ID: <374EDC66.5FEFC153@jeepster.co.uk> hi again, let's get straight into it shall we? ... belle & sebastian ----------------- as you may have heard, a half-hour documentary on the band has been put together by duglas from the bmx bandits, which will be broadcast in the u.k. this sunday night on the bbc's digital channel 'uk play' at approximately 8.00pm. i don't know anyone who has actually got digital tv yet, so god knows who is actually going to see it! as far as i know, the bbc air aiming to broadcast it on a terrestrial channel sometime later on in the year, so stay tuned ... the b&s bowlie set was recorded by radio one and will be broadcast almost in it's entirety on monday july 5th, just in time for the 'tigermilk' re-release! it will go out on steve lamacq's show sometime between 8.00pm and midnight, my guess is around 10/11-ish. i've been told that around 40-45 minutes of their set will go out ... sorry to brag, but can i just tell you that it sounds absolutely wonderful ... :) there will also be a b&s special on mtv uk very soon, featuring all 6 of the belle & sebastian videos as well as the gentle waves and looper vids and maybe even the first viewing of the forthcoming v-twin clip for 'thank you'! when it is confirmed, i'll mail the scheduled broadcast date. as far as i know, there will be efforts made for all of these events to be made available to persons outside the u.k., so don't despair! they should end up your way soon ... 'tigermilk' now has a confirmed release date on cd in japan on july 7th. as usual, this will be through virgin/toshiba emi, so go and place your orders at your record shop now :) looper ------ i finally have the proper u.s. tour dates, here goes: July 3rd - San Diego, CA - The Casbah July 4th - Irvine, CA - Oak Canyon Ranch (FESTIVAL) July 5th - Los Angeles, CA - Troubadour July 7th - San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall July 8th - Eugene, OR - W.O.W. Hall July 9th - Portland, OR - Crystal Ballroom July 10th - Seattle, WA - Aro. Space July 11th - Vancouver, BC - Starfish Room July 14th - Minneapolis,MN - The 400 Club July 15th - Chicago, IL - Empty Bottle (21+) July 16th - Chicago, IL - Shuba's (All ages) July 17th - Detroit, MI - The Shelter@ St. Andrews July 18th - London, ONT - Venue to be confirmed. July 19th - Toronto, ONT - El Mocambo July 20th - Boston, MA - The Middle East July 21st - Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts July 22nd - Washington, DC - The Black Cat July 23rd - NYC - Tramps i don't have any telephone numbers for the venues though, so if anyone has any more information please let me know so i can pass it on to everyone :) the gentle waves ---------------- i'm still getting lots of enquiries from people as to how you can get hold of tgw album in the u.s.a. - it is being put out by never records through proper distribution, so tell your local retailer to go search. can't think of anything else ... this weeks recommended listening is the lovely remastered version of 'tigermilk' on cd (sorry!) and the new flaming lips album - which i should actually go out and buy rather than persuade the boys in the office to bring their copies in - oh, and the new pavement album ... *sigh* and (i could go on forever) the new clinic single ... especially for the ace b-sides :) 'til next time ... cheers, katrina. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From robhalcrow at lineone.net Fri May 28 19:37:30 1999 From: robhalcrow at lineone.net (robhalcrow at lineone.net) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:37:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: B&S Rockudocujocumentary Message-ID: <199905281837.TAA02447@boober.lineone.net> Good evening, or good day, The main point of this post is to say that providing I can set the video and make sure the Digital thing is on I'll be able to tape the B&S thang on Sunday. I'm hoping to put in an appearance at the Greenwich Park picnicnic on Sunday but it should work out. I should also be able to make copies of it for people who are interested. (Robert Foster I don't really want the use of your body for any dirty shenanigans, thanks anyway.) I would appreciate something to cover post and packing if people are interested. But no selling bootleg copies in the future. That is very very naughty indeed. B&S content. Yesterday I saw a van with a line painter sign on the motorway, I was yawning as I was feeling quite lazy, and when I looked it was being driven by Jane of Rod, Jane and Freddie fame. What are the chances of that happening? Rebecca (I think, forgive me if I'm wrong, I know who I mean) mentioned losing her B&S badge the day she got it. I think they're programmed to disappear within hours. I bought 3 at Bowlie, wore my favourite on the last night, took it off to keep it safe (oh the irony) and, when I got home it had vanished. Why? Why? oh why must these things keep happening to me? I should admit I've never really thought too hard about the words to "Simple Things". They sound fantastic, the way they just flow and roll on. 'The wind is grey' does seem appropriate, especially in the context of the typical windy grey skies in Britain. ( I prefer that weather. It's too hot in Canterbury this week). The guitar intro to the song is brilliant isn't it? All that suspense, the ticking beat, the snaking melody then.....BANG , that guitar. All that reverb. I think it's a glorious song and they did a great version at Bowlie. Sure there was something else I needed to say but I'm blowed if I can remember what it was. Anyhoo.... Love Rob "Sometimes the sun shines on unkind people." Lauren Laverne +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ASpawnyGit at xxx.com Fri May 28 20:07:04 1999 From: ASpawnyGit at xxx.com (ASpawnyGit at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:07:04 EDT Subject: Sinister: Another new person. Message-ID: <17bc54fc.24804358@aol.com> Hello there. You know addressing 1000+ people about absolute nonsense is quite overwhelming. Right. My name is Brad. I am on the list. err. yeah! I can only say I wish I had been given a voice last week when I would have addressed the shy person thread with vigor. Such is life ... and I have nothing to contribute presently except for, "Hi I live in Knoxville Tennessee" and a really horrible analogy that goes..."Her eyes were like two brown circles with black dots in them." Pet names: I like to let my pets decide their own names. If that doesn't work I give them inconspicuous human names like Kevin or Scott. Thanks for letting me be here. I have definitely enjoyed myself thus far. Brad. (Spawny git) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From COURTOLY at xxx.com Fri May 28 22:14:29 1999 From: COURTOLY at xxx.com (COURTOLY at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 17:14:29 EDT Subject: Sinister: [sinister]: and very small... Message-ID: <10f885b1.24806135@aol.com> I do respect Honey's reminder to keep the list conversations about B&S instead of just BS...so I will keep the B&S chatter at the top of my e-mails. I ate a Tigermilk bar at the theater a few nights ago. It tastes like stale Halloween candy. Not worth $1 in my book. I would like a name for the Northwest Meet-Up on June 27th (reminder!). Any suggestions? Where The Summer Goes? Looper will be playing some dates with Subpoop (whoops, I mean, Subpop) band mates The Evil Tambourines. I've been listening to my promo copy of their CD Library Nation that will be out in July. Loops and samples, fun hip-hop (think 80's style yeah all right!). Al Larsen (of Some Velvet Sidewalk) "raps" on a few tracks, and Lois Maffeo (of The Lois and Courtney Love) sings. I initiated a record shop owner in Olympia to the lovely sounds of B&S today. I was looking at records and someone (shame shame!) and sold their copy of TIJAMRS. John had never listened to them, but put on the record and made kind comparisons to the Velvet Underground before flipping it over to the second side. He was still listening to it as I left the store. >In other news, did you know you can get your star wars name by taking >the first 3 letters of your first name, the model of your car and the >last thing you got prescribed from the doctors. Which makes me Cou Corolla of Nizoral... >While we're on the subject: >am I the only one who enjoys getting my ears flushed with warm water? >It's kinda lika a fetish for me. Yes! As a gal with chronic ear problems I have to say this is my favorite office routine. Other options include burning ear drops and sharp instruments poking in delicate areas. Its not quite a fetish, but when they tell me they're going to flush out my ear it makes me relax a lot more than when they simply wield pointy metal things in the direction of my ear drum. >about the sinister photo page: hmph. not only does sultry courtney have >boobs, she also has a strawberry tattoo in a provocative place. i'm afraid i >can't compete with that. Blush..okay i promise to scan a more acceptably twee photo in soon...please imagine me in black glasses with a brunette Louise Brooks haircut...but those photos do match up with my libido and I will not hesitate to initiate spin the bottle at the NW BS Meet-Up. I hope I'm not too loud for anyone Love Courtney +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Fri May 28 18:22:31 1999 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:22:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The Belle&Sebastian MTV program has been moved.... Message-ID: <001b01bea92e$ac3692c0$06ccb0c2@default> Hi everyone, Jason here, It's just to let you know that the UK + Ireland MTV B&S special has been moved from 1st June to the 29th June (still midnight) This information was found at : http://freespace.virgin.net/andrew.farley/bands/sebastian.html Thank you for your time -- Jason Andreas -- The Romantic Scotsman -- -- The original owner of a broken heart -- { jasonandreas at breathemail.net } -- contact me ... oh yes! -- -- Spammers WILL be shot... -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Sat May 29 00:02:39 1999 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:02:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: SOS - more shocking revelations Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990529000239.007abbc0@mail.u-net.com> I've been investigating. You all thought that the 'Overlords' were watching us and discussing our pitiful movements. But no, things are far more serious and sordid than that. Proof, if proof need be, at: http://www.seahouses.u-net.com/sos.jpg Don't look if you are a small child and are easily offended by shocking things. What I want to know is....what happens when 'Honey' pulls that chain? JJ x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Sat May 29 00:23:31 1999 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:23:31 EDT Subject: Sinister: uhhhh...ok Message-ID: For those keeping score at home, you can add my name to the list of newbies/mailer virgins. I'm Steve and I live in Baltimore, Maryland, and if I wasn't this warped upon birth the city more than took care of it. I'm 19, play drums, worship F. Scott Fitzgerald and "sleep the clock around" whenever possible. On the not so twee side of the coin, I like to drink (especially hard cider), I am infatuated with Gillian Anderson and the majority of the thoughts coursing through my head on a daily basis are smut. Other than B&S, I really dig Jawbox, Weezer, the Beach Boys, Wilco and brunettes. I'm trying to convince a friend of mine to travel with me to All Tommorrow's Parties but being the stubborn ghett that he is, he wants to know who is playing. "Playing?" I ask him. "Playing? Cmon man thats the least of your worries! Isobel Campbell will be there...is this not enough?!" But he again reitierated that without knowing who's playing he doesn't want to pay $1000 to fly to England because he needs money for "college" or something like that. Blah, blah blah...lazy sod. Can anyone give me a hand here? I'm only aware that Pavement and the Gentle Waves are going to be there, so if anyone else knows of any bands other than these, please fill me in. I would be appreciative to the highest order! To kick a few dead horses (I'm like that): For the reading list thread, I highly recommend anything by Mark Helprin, a writer of astounding beauty and clarity (especially A Soldier of the Great War). Alot of what he writes seems to reflect alot of the images and themes in old Struan's lyrics, so give it a quick read and see what you think. Dr. Pepper I do not like warm, but somewhat fancy whilst chilled. Its higher than root beer in my heirarchy of beverages, but slightly below Mountain Dew. The Dr.'s evil twin Mr. Pibb is a bit sweeter but lacks "the Dr. Pepper kick" so I only drink it in the most dire of situations. Anyone who desires warm Dr. P is clearly a fan of Steps and needs to be thrashed. Thank God for catholic school girls Steve C. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From willy.robertson at xxx.com Sat May 29 00:40:25 1999 From: willy.robertson at xxx.com (william robertson) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:40:25 -0700 Subject: Sinister: One more of us, one less of them! Message-ID: I've done it. I've converted one of my mates (who shall remain nameless) into liking B&S. Before, he was into drum'n'bass and other dance stuff, but he says B&S are the first 'guitar' band he has liked since the 80's. I knew he would like them and I've been trying to give him a shot of TBWTAS for ages but he kept saying "I don't like guitar music anymore". Anyway, about a fortnight ago he finally accepted it and he was on the phone tonight asking for a shot of more B&S stuff. It's good to 'spread the word' and I think if everyone on the list MADE one of their friends like B&S it would see a big increase in the number of fans. And then if they made one of their friends like them, and then they made one of their friends like them......well you see where I'm going here. There's not been any jokes for a while so here's one I heard at college today:- A guy goes into a bar and asks for a pint. He drinks it and asks for a second, and then throw's it away. He asks for a third and drinks it. He asks for a fourth and throws that one away too. He asks for a fifth and drinks. The barman asks why he is doing this and he says:- "I enjoy the odd pint" (boom boom) Willy. (sorry, I know it's a crap joke) __________________________________________________________________ Get your own free England E-mail address at http://www.england.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Sat May 29 00:39:24 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (katrina house) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:39:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: bowlie 2 Message-ID: <374F292C.9F3AB782@jeepster.co.uk> hi, sorry to disappoint people, but pavement are definitely NOT playing the fest in september ... sorry :( cheers, k. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glawler at xxx.ie Sat May 29 00:58:26 1999 From: glawler at xxx.ie (Gary Lawler) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:58:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: One more of us, one less of them! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990529005826.007ef8d0@gpo.iol.ie> At 16:40 28/05/99 -0700, you wrote: >I've done it. I've converted one of my mates (who shall remain nameless) into liking B&S. Before, he was into drum'n'bass and other dance stuff, but he says B&S are the first 'guitar' band he has liked since the 80's. > >I knew he would like them and I've been trying to give him a shot of TBWTAS for ages but he kept saying "I don't like guitar music anymore". Anyway, about a fortnight ago he finally accepted it and he was on the phone tonight asking for a shot of more B&S stuff. > >It's good to 'spread the word' and I think if everyone on the list MADE one of their friends like B&S it would see a big increase in the number of fans. And then if they made one of their friends like them, and then they made one of their friends like them......well you see where I'm going here. I also managed to convert one of my friends to The B&S Side (as well as my physics lecturer . . . can't say I ever expected that to happen, but there you are), but some people remain awfully stubborn. I know one guy who heard literally 15 seconds of "The Stars of Track and Field" before writing them off as the worst band ever. In other (far less interesting) news, my copies of Lazy Line Painter Jane and Dog on Wheels arrived the other day. I warn everyone with exams coming up: don't OD on B&S tracks you've never heard before the day before an important exam - you'll get nowt done in the way of study :-) -- Gary Lawler * ICQ UIN: 11115268 * AIM: seclite369 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Kt788 at xxx.com Sat May 29 01:09:42 1999 From: Kt788 at xxx.com (Kt788 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:09:42 EDT Subject: Sinister: Aaargh, ye matees Message-ID: <98b4d91a.24808a46@aol.com> I've just seen the saddest thing. A squirrel with no tail! And big, bushy tails are the best thing about squirrels. I wonder what could have happened to him (or her). It's almost as sad as the one-legged seagulls I sometimes see hopping about. I have also turned two people into belle&sebastian heads, my best friend and my sister and i'm working on my partner in crime at the moment. Must go cry for all the poor animals with missing limbs now, juniper +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk Sat May 29 02:31:08 1999 From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 02:31:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Scottish Book Club Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From melissa.thornton at xxx.ca Sat May 29 03:07:40 1999 From: melissa.thornton at xxx.ca (MelissaThornton) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:07:40 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Scottish Book Club References: Message-ID: <374F4BEC.446DB25F@utoronto.ca> Pamela Hutchinson wrote: > Hello sinister reading people > I forgot to mention the most important author. The veritably scottish > Alan Warner and his incredible novels Morvern Callar, These Demented > Lands and The Sopranos and all his short stories. ah!! when everyone started talking about books, i was going to mention the lovely mister warner...i definately loved morvern callar the best too...but you should read all three because morvern is either in or mentioned in the other two (so, you should read them in order: MC, TDL, then TS) i thought i was all alone...but i'm glad you mentioned them pamela.. yours etc. emily. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From littlearsonist at xxx.com Sat May 29 04:59:19 1999 From: littlearsonist at xxx.com (Marie Elia) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: a dose of smut, and why it sucks to be american Message-ID: <19990529035919.16096.rocketmail@web110.yahoomail.com> dearests... first, muchos hellos to new sinister folk, especially smutty steve c. who likes jawbox, and brad in knoxville (i got cousins down there!). so, i didn't realize that 1) so many people agreed about lazy jane's station in life 2) it would cause such conversation. about the thrush thing: ya, i looked it up in the dictionary, and it apparently is a childhood disease, but i had only heard it used in "real" life to refer to syptoms related to more, erm, un-innocent illnesses. so... why it sucks to be american: all these lovely things aired on brit tv, and i feel abandoned. at least with bowlie, i could console myself: well there are british folk who can't get there, and they're already there! but now all you have to do is switch on yr tellies, and there you go. i'll content myself with watching the "wicked" video on repeat..... squirrels: i, too, have seen squirrels without tails (in oxford, ohio, i think) -- it is a sad sight indeed. now i've got one question for you all: dost tigermilk bars actually exist? is that where the album name came from? and by the way, the girl who lost her b&s badge the day she got it is my dearest friend kimmy. she lost her belle-on-a-bike badge, but i said that if she wears her sebby-on-wheels badge, and i wear my bellebadge, we'll be like two halves to a whole, yin and yang. so, is the consensus that lazy jane (incidentally, my mum's nickname for me is Lady Jane) is, well, not so lazy? (or maybe she's tired from all that railing-licking....) here's a task: find the dirtiest of all of stuart's "characters" -- is it jane? or the track star? judy, who "did it with a boy when she was young"? the one who's having dreams in which s/he "couldn't see her face, but... everything else"? hmmm, perhaps this is a mite inappropriate.... good night, and sweet and dirty dreams to you all.... xo, marie _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From adrock at xxx.com Sat May 29 05:23:52 1999 From: adrock at xxx.com (Mike Jones) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:23:52 -0400 Subject: Sinister: you made me frget my dreams Message-ID: <001301bea98b$0f7c3860$b3d88dcc@oemcomputer> aloha everyone. i was just given my voice on the list. rah! with everyone trying to use their decoder rings to decipher lazy line painter jane, i have a simple question with, perhaps, a not so simple answer: okay...i was wondering if the bit of disco babble at the end of "you made me forget my dreams" is supposed to be some sort of silly joke by either chris or stuart d...or anyone else fr that matter. the reason i ask is because when my girlfriend was listening to llpj for the first time, the disco babble came on and it scared the shit out of her because its rather unexpected and it gets a bit loud right before it cuts off, especially with a pair of monstrous over-the-entire-ear headphones. i felt, as a service to my sweet angel, i'd find out who was responsible fr the disco babble. once she knows all shall be forgiven and forgotten. if anyone knows, i'd be very greatful. i soak up the splendidly warped sounds of os mutantes as i get sinister fr the first time. aloha, mike j adrock at netrom.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From adrock at xxx.com Sat May 29 05:41:21 1999 From: adrock at xxx.com (Mike Jones) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 00:41:21 -0400 Subject: Sinister: franny and zooey Message-ID: <001d01bea98d$80c79940$b3d88dcc@oemcomputer> aloha... i was curious if anyone has ever read franny and zooey by jd salinger. from what i've heard, it is reportedly a better novel than the most wonderful catcher in the rye. if anyone has a book report (hee hee) they wouldn't mind sharing on franny and zooey, please share. gracias and aloha, mike j adrock at netrom.com "that benefit i felt in having a watch that is swiss or english that doesn't work" os mutantes +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Sat May 29 06:54:47 1999 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 01:54:47 EDT Subject: Sinister: franny and zooey Message-ID: <2d494a84.2480db27@aol.com> I don't know about it being better than Catcher, but it is surely a worthwhile, enjoyable read. Franny is quite interesting but not altogether a great story, but Zooey is fantastic. They're not as immediately engaging and intimate as Catcher, so maybe you can't really compare them, plus they're written in the third person whereas I always felt Salinger worked best in first person. If you really want to read a great work of Salinger's, I always liked "Raise High the Roof Beam Carpenters," I thought that was almost on par with Catcher. It was written alot like Catcher only without any smut and with a well-to-do army man as the protagonist rather than a disaffected teen. It's the part of the Glass legacy dealing with Seymour's wedding, which I guess would place it as first in the series. I hope this helps and I must say it quite enjoyable being able to finally discuss old J.D. with so many people as he has always been a fave. I look forward to other people's interpretations of F&Z Steve PS- Isobel really digs F&Z for whatever thats worth. She seems much smarter than I so maybe you should take her word for it. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebelstrange at xxx.net Sat May 29 09:23:44 1999 From: rebelstrange at xxx.net (Lesley J Miller) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 01:23:44 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Jeepsters creepsters where'd they get those beepsters? Message-ID: <000501bea9ac$924950e0$3911020a@rebelstrange> WARNING. Content level: zero. Length: endless From: "Keith Watson" >there's been a load of graffiti all over the subway by some bloke calling >himself "Cola boy i could be recalling incorrectly, but (JESS) doesn't emily's sassy lime do the song "Cola Boy" on a really old mix tape you sent me?? could be a connection. or not. IRRELEVANT BAGPIPE STUFF not that anyone cares. BUT there is extant in fact, a semi-reggae song wiht a bagpipe in it. scout's honor. "Dancing Pants'' the last track on Lida Husik's fine and fly album "fly stereophonic" has the most groovy reggae beat.... AND a big ole bagpipe solo at the end. i never thought it would happen, check it out. i swear on the silver trousers it's true. one of the many Matthews/Marks on the list (ok it's a matthew of the hintz varietie) said the following > realize the difference. Turn Isobel upside down and she might sing > better. Yeah well. i almost took the bait. but i'm not gonna fall for that again. "ooh we better run little Lesley Jo's comin after us for insulting the Goddess Isobel!!!" this is blatant geek-baiting and i demand a stop to it! oh yeah and stop being mean to isobel or you'll end up wit tha sticky end of the lollipop!! here is a random thought i had whilst chatting wit tha FLY MOMMA christa if yer nasty chaffinch. It's a good thing that stuart murdoch is not evil. if he were, he would use his saintly charisma to horrid ends. I'm seeing some sort of cult. he just looks straight into your eyes with the gentlest expression of christlike graciousness, and tells you that you need to put on your green leisure suits, black nikes and bite a cyanide tablet NOW before the cows who created the world come back to make the streets flow with the blood of the nonbelievers. and YOU would believe it!! (moron.!) He has an inherently honest demeanor. i think he could probably pull it off. it's fortunate for the world that he uses his powers for good and not evil, and instead of starting cults he smashes his guitars to channel his anger in a way that causes no harm to those around him. what a sweetie. Hello to marie elisein pittsburgh. it's too bad you didn't get inot the warhol. you missed the room of floating silver balloons, and the most comfortable f-ing couch EVER invented. god knows. Go there. you'll want one. I promise. you'll wanna hav ea big girly sleepover right there in the room that is covered with technicolor cow heads!! can anyone vouch for me? In related news i have a warhol related thingy on the mummy page. WELL i think it's funny, but i'm lonely enough to crack myself up on a regular basis. B&S should play a gig at the Warhol sometime. in the balloooon room. they could all dress up funny and isobel could color her hair silver and get strung out on speed..... uh oh yeah. NAMING OF FISH I'm good at naming fish. my fighting fish is named Pyramus. the one befor ehim was Samson. and before that i had fish named Jarvis, Harriet, Polly, Anneli, Bernard, Carla, Thom..... acutally when i was in HS i named all my fish after suede, and i named a snail Simon. i was a sad git. my friend kato named her fish after Blur. i dont' recommend that though. if i got fish now i'd probably name them all after b&s according to their personalities. -- NO. here is the name you can use. Bozo Whiskey. my brother wanted to name a goldfish Bozo Whiskey once when he was like 5 years old. i think it's a good idea. that is my recommendation. i tho't the roolz web site was a joke. i should have known. /B) where are the Real Audio samples?? lyric archives for their oh so deep teen throbbin and thrustin grooves? Boy bands are SOO passe. we have a girl group. and we no tender young things. we're a badass garage girl group who can kick the ass of any pretty boy band. and we're all on Sinister. it's Me, Jess and Christa: AKA The Buxoms. we rock yer world with our upcoming seven inch on pink glittery vinyl entitled "Indie Rawk Bathroom". and the chorus goes like this: "Barbara Manning Peed here!! AUUUUGH!!!" straight outta Le Chat Noir, we come to take your daughters!!. AND we have tambourines, and a plastic blowy thingy that looks like a melodica, so you KNOW it's all good. can i get an AMEN?? Personal news: skim over if you're squeamish, or if you have a life.---- i'm very very pleased. i got a single residence room with PRIVATE BATH in my residence hall assignment. there will be some sinister partying down in the valley of the sun come August. (you know, really wussy girly twee hello kitty pink polkadotted partying) no roommates!! so i can bring all my Fine Ho's over and no one will complain. and put little pictures of sarah and isobel all over the wall and do whatever i want. even be in my own room, unclothed and not have to worry about anyone walking in. it feels GOOD. i'm stocking up on twee tapes for the long summer drive. anyone on the way inbetween, if you hear the gentle waves blaring out of a gold volkswagen sedan, just wave gently and wonder........who was that idiot? MMMMMM i think art girl has a crush on me.<3 a little BIRD told me. life is good in some ways. "I knew she wanted it!" that's right, and i'm planning to give it to her. *OH!* ba-dump CHING! I'll be here all week at the Copa Cabana. you're so kind. sorry all that was a lot of crap and i wasted your time. it's like 2 AM and my car is in the shop so i'm stir crazy and doped up on vegetable protein fake hamburgers. with no where to go. waiting to hear from my desert flower. i'm going to bid all of you good night with apologies for this. i can't wait till i get to tempe. anyone Sinister is invited to crash at my pad, dude. if the sebbies ever tour the west coast, isobel can crash with me, if stuart is getting pissy again that is. it's all cool man. we'll listen to Phish and all that funky s***. Kill me now. Kisses to honey the beatific mummy/sisterwoman. LJ (who is really psyched cos she just found out her middle name means JOAN in German) (who reads what she wrote and says "YUK, why do i bother") You Prom-ised Ta In-tro-duce Me To Is-o-bel Cam-bell. I'm gon-na TURN -HER -OUT. Make her Work tha Streets. http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange they were like those gauche youths who turn up to house parties only to cling to the dark corners in chaste disdain, driven by the naive, vaguely inhuman conviction that all merriment is a lie. SAVE MST3K!!!! http://www.mst3kinfo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk Sat May 29 10:22:20 1999 From: pamela.hutchinson at xxx.uk (Pamela Hutchinson) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:22:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: franny and zooey Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From tjohn at xxx.uk Sat May 29 11:37:21 1999 From: tjohn at xxx.uk (Timothy Roberts) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:37:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: jarvis cocker is a liar Message-ID: <003701bea9bf$56395c40$b138883e@Poberts> while every word alan warner writes is pure poetry ( just like stuart murdoch and, well, me) the bit about his books being full of good music is a LIE. while morvern callar has lots of groovy krautrock, these demented lands is mainly concerned with the verve. oh dear. and his favourite band of all time is superstar. this is bad. he even forced me to buy one of their records by recording a single with them. actually its no bad, but the b-sides with superstar on their own is back to the whiny drivel theyre renowned for. but go and buy the books anyway, they will give you strength, especially these demented lands. and his punctuation and grammer are a bit dodgy, just like mine, which i have decreed is A Good Thing. I dont suppose theres any point me recommending the shoe by gordon legge again, like i do every time youse start discussing books. PET NAME ALERT- the dog in its called dostoevsky. a book i read recently was bad wisdom by bill drummond out the klf and mark manning aka zodiac mindwarp. theres a quote by yer man cocker on the sleeve: "the truth, no matter how uncomfortable, cannot help but be beautiful. this is a very beautiful book." well 'beautiful' isnt the word i would have used. come to think, neither is 'truth'. how about "LIES, no matter how pornographic, cannot help but be vile. this is a very vile book." there you go, stick that on the next edition. why dont you all stop reading books and go and read my story out the sinister library. it didnt come out as well as i hoped, but i wrote it late at night and its about as honest as you can get. yeah, prose isn't really my medium. look! down there! a signature line! you should all go and visit the web page cause ive just spent a week ghost writing all the text for B-B-B-Ben, including the bits where i slag myself off. and my mother will have kittens when she sees the phone bill from him building it. just to start a bit of healthy interband rivalry, it pisses all over the roolz site. from a great height. from tjohn "and do you think its possible to be sensitive and strong?" "hmm... we are." -the bmx bandits visit deadhippy online: http://www.deadhippy-records.freeserve.co.uk batfink site to come soon... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.uk Sat May 29 14:28:10 1999 From: ian at xxx.uk (ian) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 14:28:10 +0100 Subject: Sinister: i was building a space rocket Message-ID: <000e01bea9d7$2cd87a80$605f883e@default> hello everybody i would like to start by saying that sarah cracknell has misled you all. i am not maltreating her and can only assume she says i am in order to gain attention. this morning i cooked her a lovely veggie breakfast and gave it to her while i fed my pussycats a lovely bowl of felix. she didn't appreciate it one bit. just sat and screamed something about being behind the wheel of a capri. anyway, tonight i'm performing as sarah c again. bob and pete have become close friends and are treating me almost as one of their own. which i suppose, to all intents and purposes, i am. i have almost perfected the hip shake although i'm still having some trouble getting the arm-waving correct. jessica, it was nice to see you. of course i waved at you. i LOVE my fans!!! anyway, onto a bit of b&s content: i think the noise at the end of "you made me forget my dreams" is the launch of the space rocket that the boy had spent all his time building. otherwise it just seems kind of..misplaced. on the llpj thread...and related to a misheard lyrics thread from a while back ("green cool and natural on the 45"...love it :)) i couldn't understand why she was licking railings. i asked my friend sam and she laughed at me. she told me the lyric was actually "licking raylene". which made a bit more sense. however, on watching stu's lips at bowlie, it is definitely railings. a shame, i prefered raylene. i think she was just licking railings because she was bored. jane strikes me as just a bored girl, all the time trying to find some interest in the life around her but in the end the only thing to do is fall asleep at the bus stop. also...my friend dean thinks jane is pregnant, and the "you will have a boy tonight/ you will have a girl tonight" part of the song refers to her giving birth on the bus. a pleasant image and a good twist to the song even if it turns out to be totally incorrect. now onto other stuff...jake said ~Don't know about those, but my friend works on a phonesexline, and I must ~say, the things she has to do via phone are quite... strange. Like clapping ~your hands for 30 min because it sounds dirty like she had to do a couple of ~days ago i never understood that one. call me innocent :) (you'd be wrong, but call me innocent anyway. it alliterates with my name at least). talking of strange requests....my friend works in a copying shop and the other day someone came in and asked her to photocopy her donated kidney tobiesoup said: ~and ummm, ~okay i give up, just what in god's awful name is an arab strap? well...have you ever heard of a cock ring? they are (so i'm told) placed around the penis and the base of the testicles...oh i sound like a biology teacher. you get it and you put it round your..erm, yeah, that, and also round the bottom of your..er..yeah, those. and it should keep the little fella up that little bit longer after you've had your fun. never met anybody that claims to have used one though. that's the same thing as an arab strap. matthew said: ~I met my boyfriend through the Sinister list. I do recall in ~#sinister recently, someone asking if it were a chatroom for Belle and ~Sebastian or gay boys. I believe the answer from a few of us was that it ~was both. well, i'm impresssed by the number of people that responded to what i said. i didn't actually mean "you'll have difficulty finding a gay bloke that's into b&s". i just meant "good luck with finding one". i have managed to convert my bloke to b&s. i didn't realise this fact until a couple of weeks ago when he admitted he listened to them quite a lot when i wasn't in. certainly the gender confusion in the songs appeals to me. unfortunately, i don't see them catching on on the gay "scene", which...well, you don't need me to tell you what gets played. but i'm going out tonight and expecting to hear celine dion at least twice. and probably be pissed enough to dance. other random things that come into my head..a slap for the person who slagged off jefferson airplane...remember what the doormouse said. a slap for the person who doesn't like hermann hesse. how dare you have your own opinion? a kiss for the person who was talking about grace jones, just because. cheese..roulade is the stuff with garlic in. i like white stilton with apricots, and norwegian cheese. jarlsberg is wonderful stuff. juniper, if you're reading...i shall look for your book recommendation. it sounds interesting. erm...there was more but its gone. so i'll follow its lead ohh...there's egg in the cat's bowl. i wonder if i gave them the veggie breakfast and gave sarah c the felix? she appears to have eaten it, either way. ian I said Timmy and that purple Monkey are all down at Bobby's house making themselves pesters and lesters and jesters and my traitors of kind" tori amos... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From macarthur at xxx.com Sat May 29 15:02:09 1999 From: macarthur at xxx.com (Graham MacArthur) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 15:02:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: hangover (b&s? not here..) Message-ID: darlings, my question is WHY. In many forms WHY do i have to be doing an impression of the man from the goodfella's advert (ba da bing!) when the good looking person from the charity shop is standing behind me? WHY did i have to spill water on my face when someone i hadn't seen for ages bumped into me in the street? WHY did all the shops play the same euro rubbish when i went shopping today? WHY did i have to fall into a bush and scratch my arms last night? WHY did the washing machine shrink my favorite Snoopy vest? WHYWHYWHY I ask you. answers on a postcard please... Erica ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "I hate skateboaring, i hate everything it's so shit and do you know I've just wasted, ninety five, fucking quid" Lauren Laverne +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Arigreen23 at xxx.com Sat May 29 15:11:52 1999 From: Arigreen23 at xxx.com (Arigreen23 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 10:11:52 EDT Subject: Sinister: franny and zooey/philly sleater-kinney show Message-ID: <6a7555c5.24814fa8@aol.com> hello all... franny and zooey, i read part of it-- i read franny and just a bit of the beginning of zooey. i do this with a lot of books. but i thought that franny was absolutely amazing. i bought my dad "raise high the roof beam" as a present once but i've yet to steal it from him. in school last year, however, we read "nine stories"-- i forget if this has been discussed on the list or not yet-- but if you like salinger or books at all it's definetely one you should pick up. on a second note-- sleater-kinney show at the troc last night! very very good. (hi julia) anyone here heard flin flon? i liked their songs that were so absurdly simple that they were complex, or something. and the drummer whose glasses kept falling down. mary timony was awesome, but had technical problems with the mike...sleater-kinney were great. 2 encores. and i saw a fella with a "sinister" shirt. so if you're here, hi there! adios. ari +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jimgrund at xxx.fr Sat May 29 15:39:01 1999 From: jimgrund at xxx.fr (Jan Imgrund) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 16:39:01 +0200 Subject: Sinister: non-golfers delete now Message-ID: <199905291439.QAA27917@front6.grolier.fr> Hi list. Ailsa superstar wrote: > Colin Montgomerie (red-faced puffy Scottish golfer noted for coming > second in everything) was at my school for a year in the 70s, Yes, he's even coming second in the grumpiest golf-pro in the world- contest, just behind Jose-Maria "I've won the Masters but is that a reason to smile probably not" Olazabal. A golf pro I knew took pride in telling everyone that he frequently played rounds with Colin when he was young (I don't think they were friends, 'cos who is), and that "Monty" once screeched all over his car with his spiked golf shoes after a particularly bad round. He's coming from a rich family, you know. btw the golf pro was called Peter and could hit the lowest pitch shots I've ever seen. That was because he had worked in a golf club in Iceland once, and apparently the wind was very strong there. Golfers will see the connection. Jan Calibra from Viagra no that's a joke. In fact it would be "Jan having no car from can't remember the last time he's been to a doctor." The Dark Site of the Moon: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/index.html Tindersticks page: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jimgrund/tinderpage/tinder.html To love oneself is the beginning of a lifelong romance. -Oscar Wilde +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a-and-r at xxx.uk Sat May 29 17:40:45 1999 From: a-and-r at xxx.uk (katrina house) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 17:40:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Looper U.S. dates - more info! Message-ID: <3750188D.7A854238@jeepster.co.uk> hi again, thanks to aaron, carly, richard, philip, joseph, dave, lisa, deborah, bridget, m, bob, sean, craig, christian, vanessa, paul and kegrks for helping me out with all the following info forthose Looper dates ... July 3rd - San Diego, CA - The Casbah, tel: 619-232-4355 http://www.casbahmusic.com/ July 4th - Irvine, CA - Oak Canyon Ranch (FESTIVAL) July 5th - Los Angeles, CA - Troubadour, tel: 310-276-6168/310-276-1158 http://www.iuma.com/Troubadour July 7th - San Francisco, CA - Great American Music Hall, tel: 415-885-0750, address: 859 O'Farrell between Polk and Larkin, http://www.musichallsf.com. promoted in conjunction with KALX July 8th - Eugene, OR - W.O.W. Hall, tel: 541-687-2746, http://www.wowhall.org July 9th - Portland, OR - Crystal Ballroom, tel: 503-225-0047, http://www.mcmenamins.com/Crystal/crystal.shtml July 10th - Seattle, WA - Aro. Space, 925 East Pike, tel: 206-320-0424, http://ae.zip2.com/seattletimes/scripts/staticpage.dll?only=y&spage=AE/venue/venue_details_music.htm&id=8702&ck=&ccity=Federal+Way&cstate=WA&adrVer=918781678&pwhere=Puget+Sound&pwhen=%2b1000&ver=e2.7 (god i hope that link works!) July 11th - Vancouver, BC - Starfish Room, tel: 604-682-4171 (holds about 300) July 14th - Minneapolis,MN - The 400 Bar, tel: 612-332-2903, http://www.400bar.com/ July 15th - Chicago, IL - Empty Bottle (21+), 1035 North Western Avenue, tel: 773-276-3600, http://www.emptybottle.com July 16th - Chicago, IL - Schubas Tavern and the Harmony Grill (All ages), 3159 North Southport Avenue, tel: 773-525-2508 July 17th - Detroit, MI - The Shelter @ St. Andrews, located inside the basement of St. Andrew's Hall on 431 East Congress (capacity 400) in beautiful downtown Detroit ... reach their concert listings line at 313-961-6358 or online at http://www.961melt.com July 18th - London, ONT - Venue to be confirmed. July 19th - Toronto, ONT - El Mocambo, tel: (416) 968-2001, address: 464 Spadina July 20th - Boston, MA - The Middle East, tel: 617-864-3278, http://www.mideastclub.com/ July 21st - Philadelphia, PA - Theatre of Living Arts, tel: (215) 922-1011 July 22nd - Washington, DC - The Black Cat, 1831 14th Street NW, tel: 202-667-7960, http://yp.washingtonpost.com/yp/blackcat/3.html July 23rd - NYC - Tramps, 51 W. 21st St. (Between Fifth and Sixth Aves.), tel: 212-544-1666/212-727-7788 http://webcom.com/~inotes/tramps.html cheers, katrina. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r at jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From koogy at xxx.uk Sat May 29 19:23:53 1999 From: koogy at xxx.uk (andrew dean) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 19:23:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister: white horses Message-ID: <375030B9.B31719E6@clara.co.uk> look, belle and sebastian content... was in rough trade shop in covent garden today and was talking to jamie behind the counter, just chatting about the bowlie weekend. anyway, he mentioned that belle and sebastian had played an instore at ther shop beack when b&s were 'lisa helps the blind' and it was pretty much just the two stuarts. it was actually a pastels instore and they'd just come along for the ride and did a few songs beforehand. then i remembered that i'd been at a pastels instore at the rough trade shop and there had been a band playing beforehand and it's around the right sort of time (mobile safari kinda time, 1995) so i guess it must've been them. pity i don't remember the first thing about them though. picked up the new isan single whilst i was there today. then he mentioned that the mini lp had just been released too. then, on the offchance, i asked if they'd reordered the isan cd (beautronics) and they had so it was an isan kind of day today. that and a couple of 12"s on moving shadow which no-one here will like 8) this all happened on the way back from the gig last night. pam, bowlie bus pam and friends in some church hall in greenwich. you should've been there, it was largely empty. and pam got to sing one with the jasmine minx which i doubt she'd've thought possible all those years ago when they had those classic creation singles out (they did 'cold hands, warm heart' which pretty much made the evening). how do i get rid of ants without killing them? i got back from london to find half a dozen of the buggers crawling all over everywhere. i can't see where they're getting in cos of all the junk (er, i mean 'collectibles') piled up everywhere but they seem to be concentrated around the computer. (there's one now running along below the space bar). ick. maybe i oughta trap them somehow and take them to the picnic* tomorrow cos a picnic's not a picnic without ants. *greenwich railway station at 2 o'clock on sunday, that's only 10 minutes or so from charing cross on the local trains. bring economy tarts. andy who only saw th faith healers the once but roxanne was astounding, like a cross between cousin itt and kat bjelland. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Power15755 at xxx.com Sat May 29 20:11:50 1999 From: Power15755 at xxx.com (Power15755 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 15:11:50 EDT Subject: Sinister: B & S newsgroup Message-ID: <98b6c4c7.248195f6@aol.com> Hi! Why does noone of you go to the B & S newsgroup??? Antje +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glawler at xxx.ie Sat May 29 20:34:20 1999 From: glawler at xxx.ie (Gary Lawler) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 20:34:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B & S newsgroup In-Reply-To: <98b6c4c7.248195f6@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990529203420.007ea570@gpo.iol.ie> At 15:11 29/05/99 EDT, you wrote: >Hi! > >Why does noone of you go to the B & S newsgroup??? > >Antje Well, I know my server hasn't picked it up yet. Did you go through alt.config and propose the newsgroup? They have don't much real control, but it's where most sysops find out about new groups and add them to their servers (and they get real pissy when people start a group without asking them - they might have rmgrouped it). Also, DejaNews isn't carrying it which is going to make it *very* hard to find . . . Anyone who wants to read/post to the group should probably contact their ISPs and ask them to add it to their servers. If they can't find it, then there's probably something wong and you might want to consider going back through alt.config and starting again (there's a load of protocal that goes along with doing this). And remember, USEnet can be a nasty place :-) -- Gary Lawler * ICQ UIN: 11115268 * AIM: seclite369 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From seaborne at xxx.nl Sat May 29 21:05:58 1999 From: seaborne at xxx.nl (Koen) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 22:05:58 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Any sleeve spotters? (no B&S) Message-ID: <000d01beaa0e$aba601c0$66866dc2@seaborne> Hi list, my apologies for wasting your time, but I'm competing in an online music quiz, and at the moment I'm struggling to hold on to my third place. It would help if I could get a flawless score this week, and right now I have almost all the answers but for some photos. The url to the photo page is http://users.skynet.be/volders/week0808/foto0808.htm The photos I'm having trouble with are the upper right one (a sleeve) and the one on the lower left (Sheryl Crow?). Thanks for your time and help (oh, I need to have the answers before noon CET), and I'll promise my next posting will be on-topic. Koen Ps. This is a repost, still had the old address in my adress-book :) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jesterf1 at xxx.com Sat May 29 22:42:33 1999 From: jesterf1 at xxx.com (Jed Dore) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 17:42:33 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Re:Tigermilk bars References: <19990529035919.16096.rocketmail@web110.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: <37505F48.BD56A94C@shelflife.com> Hi everyone, Marie Elia wrote: > now i've got one question for you all: dost tigermilk bars actually > exist? is that where the album name came from? Yes!! Tigermilk bars do exist. At least in California they do. I still haven't found them anywhere in NYC. Not sure about the album title, but the flavors come in yummy peanut butter, coffee, and chocolate. Miles above Powerbars.... Jed +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From COURTOLY at xxx.com Sat May 29 22:58:21 1999 From: COURTOLY at xxx.com (COURTOLY at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 17:58:21 EDT Subject: Sinister: [sinister]: apologies and greater things Message-ID: <6ff4a889.2481bcfd@aol.com> Dear Friends, I was hoping to make a worthy contribution of new news to the list when I mentioned the Evil Tamborines...but when I asked the boys about the dates with Looper one boy mumbled some thing about stubbornness and fighting before telling me that its not happening. I've also had my knuckles rapped for poor grammar too many times this quarter. If I make any horrendous mistakes please correct me in a private e-mail. I do need refreshers on this material. >dost tigermilk bars actually >exist? is that where the album name came from? If that is where the name came from it is probably in the archives. I can verify that tigermilk bars exist and I will gladly purchase them for people in the list in exchange for mix tapes. They are gross: honey stuff coated in carob, stale halloween candy. >I've just seen the saddest thing. A squirrel with no tail We ran one over in our schoolbus once. I was sitting in the backseat and as we pulled away the tail was smashed to the ground. The poor dahlin was still alive, fighting, scratching and scrambling to try to get away. >never met anybody that claims to have used one though. Rachel I know you are on this list and read my posts. This girl is the smuttiest of any girls I know and I'm sure she's had experiences with cockrings/arab strap if thats what it truly is. Now if you have questions on, um, personal massagers...I could help. On the bagpipe thread: I was walking to the post office via the K records building yesterday and right out front was an entire clan of Scottish bagpipers in kilts and everything. I suppose they were going to march down the streets of Olympia, but I kept on my way and didn't see where they went. >sleater-kinney show at the troc last night! (crying) Oh the Trocadero...I started going there six years ago...miss it even though I hate it. Off to find a bathing suit, oh my! XXXOOO Courtney +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordi-tv at xxx.com Sat May 29 20:31:30 1999 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 20:31:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The revolution of the Barcelona gig Message-ID: <19990529233130.HM.000000000015YGX@mixmail.com> A message to everyone who asked me a tape of the Barcelona gig: I�ve got the tape, and the sound is lovely, but there is a problem: the final track "Loneliness..."is cut at it�s half. I didn�t know that the spanish radio station was going to broadcast this gig, so, some months ago, I sent them a blank tape, telling them to tape the gig for me. I don�t know if they did, but I think it�s better to wait for a few days, until I know something. I suppose that you�d like the gig with "Loneliness" complete, as it sounds really great. If they didn�t tape me the gig, then i�m going to ask some readers of my zine to check if they have the gig recorded in a better way than me. As soon as I�ll know anything, i�ll let you know. If you want to e-mail me privately, use my other adress, jordi at belleandsebastian.org I suppose that all of us, the members of the old continent, have watched the Eurovision contest. I�ve tried to vote for Bosnia, but I couldn�t. Are there any sinister people organising a voting for our own winners ? I�m off to see the official voting. Bye !! ================================================== Jordiet Sinistre ================================================== Tu E-Mail Gratis en http://www.mixmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From i.am.sinister at xxx.uk Sat May 29 23:37:20 1999 From: i.am.sinister at xxx.uk (Sweetie) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 23:37:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: hi! (LODGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Message-ID: <000a01beaa23$d112cc80$dd30883e@anne666theasylum> hello, this is my second time writing to the list! :o) and it is another pointless message! just thought i would introduce myself. Name; Sweetie. Age; 15. Location; Scotland. and that is me! hmm, well as i am here i might as well write something! first i know this has sweet nothing to do with B&S but has anyone here ever heard of a group called lodger??? and in response to the B&S ng thing, my server hasnt picked it up yet, but i will wait patiently till it does then i shall subscribe! and in response to 'one more of us one less of them' i have to admit that i only heard of B&S after a friend made me a tape and he only heard of them after his friend lent him the cds, BUT i have converted one of my friends (and my mum for that matter!) and she has converted her sister. its working pretty well!and even b4 i read that i have been trying desperatley hard to convert people from dance crap to decent quality music. i also like The divine comedy- i hope that doesnt offend u guys coz every time i mention B&S in the dc ng i get 'oh god here we go again!' shockin huh? anyway ciao for now Sweetie. xxx ;o) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From komis at xxx.edu Sun May 30 00:58:43 1999 From: komis at xxx.edu (Dmitry Komis) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 18:58:43 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Chicago, i bless you madly, sadly, as i tie my shoes Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990529185843.008023b0@students.uiuc.edu> hello good people of sinisterland! sorry for the lack of B&S relevance here, but i know many of you enjoy these bands and i was just wondering if any of the Chicago listees - or out of state adventurers - are going to the Mercury Rev/Sparklehorse or Pavement shows at the Metro in June? dmitry +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From melissa.thornton at xxx.ca Sun May 30 01:34:05 1999 From: melissa.thornton at xxx.ca (MelissaThornton) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 20:34:05 -0400 Subject: Sinister: so, where were YOU?, or the Toronto Picnic Message-ID: <3750877D.83558AB4@utoronto.ca> dear friends.. yes,today was the afternoon of the First Innagural Sinister/Belle and Sebastian Picnic in Toronto. hopefully you didn't show up and not find us because admittedly no one exactly knew where we were going. somehow 9 of us managed to find each other, by some benches and grass by a playground swarming with hanging inch worms and screamy kids. we ate a variety of crackers (animal and ritz), carrot sticks and drank shirley temples. oh, and peanuts in their shells too! there was a halfhearted attempt at busking with a guitar, some flute like instruments and bells and then we all proceeded to the high park petting zoo to lament the horrible living conditions of buffalo and blue peafowl. anyway.. we hope that we didn't miss you if you did show up.. anyway, don't fret, we'll have another picnic sometime in the summer okay? xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Sun May 30 02:39:46 1999 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Marie Propes) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 20:39:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Sinister: franny and zooey In-Reply-To: <001d01bea98d$80c79940$b3d88dcc@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I read it. It's not bad. It has a nice opening, sort of a scene between two bored, young New York socialites. Well, he's bored and petulent, she's not. From there on in, it just continues to chronicle a few weeks in the life ofa bored, petulent young man in New York in the 50's. I'd like to see either Franny and Zooey or Catcher made into a film. Has that ever been done? Ciao, http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/asbuch/index.htm#hometop Heather Marie Propes asbuch at midway.uchicago.edu On Sat, 29 May 1999, Mike Jones wrote: > aloha... > > i was curious if anyone has ever read franny and zooey by jd salinger. from > what i've heard, it is reportedly a better novel than the most wonderful > catcher in the rye. if anyone has a book report (hee hee) they wouldn't mind > sharing on franny and zooey, please share. > > gracias and aloha, > mike j > adrock at netrom.com > > "that benefit i felt > in having a watch > that is swiss or english > that doesn't work" > os mutantes > > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Arigreen23 at xxx.com Sun May 30 03:29:33 1999 From: Arigreen23 at xxx.com (Arigreen23 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 22:29:33 EDT Subject: Sinister: salinger films Message-ID: nah, there haven't been any salinger movies except, i believe, "uncle wiggly in connecticut" from nine stories--- it's about phonies and what not, according to my memory. i'd rather it be that way--- i like my books and my movies, but they don't usually mix. by the way are there any portishead fans on the list? i bought their self titled today and so far it is fantastic. yay looper in philly!!! ari +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From biblesmut at xxx.com Sun May 30 04:03:02 1999 From: biblesmut at xxx.com (Beau Gestalt) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 20:03:02 PDT Subject: Sinister: Fun With Scones Media presents... Message-ID: <19990530030303.66345.qmail@hotmail.com> i finally found out the name of the bloke who wrote the book for the greatest british film ever, Withnail & I (!). and i just figured id see what you brits think of his stuff. name's Bruce Robinson. he's got a fairly new book out called 'The Peculiar Memories of Thomas Penman'. i havent had a chance to pick up this book yet, but here's a few lines quoted in a review i found: (of the boy Thomas's first act of love) "[he] could feel her racing heart and, as he began to f*** her, something cold going up his arse. Was it her? It wasnt. It was a dog, a f***ing Corgi, sniffing and licking his bottom. He had paws on Thomas' back, and was trying to mount him." mmmmm, sinister! anybody familiar with Mr Robinson's work? id like to find out about more stuff he's written. well they seem to be going around, so here's a joke me grampa told me: two Canadian guys are in the bar. growing bored, they decide to play 20 questions. the first guy, coming up with the answer, he thinks a "moose cock". so they begin: the second guy asks "is it something good to eat?" to which the first chap chuckles a bit and replies "yeah, i supose you could eat it!" then the second guy says "is it a moose cock?" black & proud, tobie in the sky with pickles _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LMJ216 at xxx.com Sun May 30 05:46:21 1999 From: LMJ216 at xxx.com (LMJ216 at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 00:46:21 EDT Subject: Sinister: franny and zooey Message-ID: <1613048c.24821c9d@aol.com> lovely listees, I'm probably a bit late on this Franny and Zooey thread, but i hav some rather exciting news. It took a trip today and i found a bookstore, and at that bookstore i purchased a first edition hardcover copy of Franny and Zooey. Oh was i ever happy! i still am, it only happend a few hours ago. Also i stumbled upon an antique store where i bought myself a pair of old metal rollerskates. You remember those right? with the rollerskate key? (i say that as though i am old enough to remember, but alas, i am only 17) Love, Lisa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From acoyboy at xxx.com Sun May 30 07:19:07 1999 From: acoyboy at xxx.com (boyon abike) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 23:19:07 PDT Subject: Sinister: mistakes, we've made a few Message-ID: <19990530061909.32331.qmail@hotmail.com> hullo my pretties! my goodness!! i leave my computer for about one week and i have over 250 messages in my in-box. no doubt, the majority are sinister, probably from sinsister, too ;) hmmm...think it is time to switch to digest? methinks so. anyhoo, i have never really posted to the list but something of utmost mysteriousness and personal interest has occured in my generally not quite rock-star life, and so i tell a wee tale. ***slight, insignificant b&s content. well, honestly, none really*** ***warning, sappy frank sinatra content ahead, proceed at your own risk*** once upon a time (today, to be more specific) i was at a "jazz jubilee," with my mum. as our tastes happen to differ a yet [i have not been able to convinced her that the divine being (you may insert whichever noun you personally prefer here: _______) actually lives among us in traveling about on soundwaves which originate from b&s instruments, but she will see the light. my what a rambling...] we decided to split up, with a plan to remeet at 5:00, leaving me with two clear choices: a) i could get sloshed off two beers. b) i could go wander about a local rare records store, which we had passed eariler. after a moment of contemplation, i decided to take morrissey's sound advice: i can have both! unfortunately, i did the record perusement first. although, the store drew a large zero in the indie department, i came across a cache of old frankie sinatra records. a myriad of them (now, it might serve my story well to tell that mr. frank sinatra is one of my top loves in the world of music, and i have long longed for a vinyl album of his. not only for the sleek sounds of classsic crooning, but - imagine if you will, close your eyes, no not while reading, silly! - a large picture of a young, sexy, sulty, felicitous and lovely, morsel miraculous and meaningful, francis sinatra--only second to stuart murdoch--donning the cover of a large record album. an album which i could very well sleep with under my pillow every night for the rest of my life, or at least until the drool causes him to be too indistinguishable and soppy). oh if only i could express my extreme joy followed by the sudden and utter dismay of the realization that it would cost more than an arm And a leg just for one album such as "nice and easy." after an hour-or-so of telling myself i could live without it, i decided to drink more (surely afterwards i would not have the same view!). i wandered around listening to happy old folks in big bands, drinking my ale, when i came across a "news and review" (a free local events publication). while perusing said paper i next came across the following header (referring to various members of the u.s. executive branch): "Mistakes, We've Made a Few." it was an omen from the stars above. frankie babie was cooing for me. but did i run, in my silly noisy shoes and wool knickers, through the perilous outdoor mall, dodging both old and young, straight for the holy grail o' sound which awaited me with a single beam of light from the heaven's above and a glorious wall of angelic warbling? i think you may be able to guess...of course not. obviously, god was on my side. i could dilly-dally all i want. confident in my revelation, i went to a different store on the other side of town. not a single sinatra album in descent condition. poo! i asked the lad behind the counter if he new the time. it was 4:45, recall if you will, i had to meet my mommy at 5:00. i went to our designated spot and there she was joined by my sister with my three-year-old nephew. we had a long walk back to our lightrail station, but luckily the beacon of a record shop was on the way, near the end however. three is the best age for swift foot-travel, mind you. after spending about half an hour looking at a fountain, looking at big sousaphones, going up and down escalators (which was all more fun than i had even bargained for, of course) i found my store to be closed. to make matters worse, i am only visiting from out of town, so it is not as though i could go back tomorrow. no that would be too easy. only then, at that moment when my ever-so-eager eyes set sight on the gated-up old run-down record store, did i realize the true foreshadowing of my header. how could i have been so blind??? now, i sit at my mommy's computer in sackcloth and ashes mourning for my blind ignorance. mistakes...i made one. moral: do not waste time, thinking everything will wait for you. on the other hand, i did pick up a spiffy fred rogers album at the other store i was at. moral: always, look on the bright side...and then whistle a happy tune. ahhh...my tale was told. i feel whole. please excuse me, the only person i have been shatting with on a regular basis is my grammy, and she is such a wonderful story-teller. it is my secret desire to be a grandmother, but as fred rogers told me today: "only girls can be mommies". sigh...i suppose that goes for grannies too. oh joy!! (see it is not that hard to keep me content)! i also have a brand new b&s mix tape to listen to on my way back home. life is grand, is it not ;) love to each and every one of you: you're special just the way you are! edwin who honestly, hasn't lived up to his coy expectations. shame on me!! naughty edwin! or is it knotty edwin? hmmm... _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnj at xxx.com Sun May 30 10:33:32 1999 From: johnj at xxx.com (JJ) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 10:33:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: SOS more shocking revelations! (2nd sending) Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990530103332.007a5340@mail.u-net.com> Apologies if anyone received this mail twice..I'm sending it again as quite a few people DIDN'T receive it, although some DID. Most peculiar and no mistake. Here we go! I've been investigating. You all thought that the 'Overlords' were watching us and discussing our pitiful movements. But no, things are far more serious and sordid than that. Proof, if proof need be, at: http://www.seahouses.u-net.com/sos.jpg Don't look if you are a small child and are easily offended by shocking things. What I want to know is....what happens when 'Honey' pulls that chain? JJ x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skg21 at xxx.uk Sun May 30 10:37:47 1999 From: skg21 at xxx.uk (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 10:37:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Slap me on the patio In-Reply-To: <19990529233130.HM.000000000015YGX@mixmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 29 May 1999, Jordi Trenzano i Vilar wrote: > I suppose that all of us, the members of the old continent, have > watched the Eurovision contest. I´ve tried to vote for Bosnia, but I > couldn´t. Are there any sinister people organising a voting for our > own winners ? I´m off to see the official voting. Indeed, like many others I watched quite a bit of Eurovision this year (well, it's an excuse not to spend the evening revising for tomorrow's exam). I must say I was very disappointed by the low number of absolutely dismal records this year, some countries seem to be actually taking it seriously. For the non-Europeans amongst us, it was won by Sweden with a blatant Abba rip-off song. And Spain came last, probably because of the awful dress their singer was wearing (sort of like a rainbow, with a red heart poking out from the top; if they'd cut it up later they could have made Skittles). This year I had the added bonus of being able to watch it with subtitles, and find out what the lyrics were; our favourite was the Turkish entry with "I, with a torch in my ear, like a lullaby". Answers on a pstcard please... Lots of Sinisterines will be down in London this afternoon enjoying a picnic, and I'm slogging away revising, I'm jealous... Big Stu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tjohn at xxx.uk Sun May 30 11:15:43 1999 From: tjohn at xxx.uk (Timothy Roberts) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:15:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Fun With Scones Media presents... Message-ID: <003b01beaa85$75a9ff00$9e25883e@Poberts> > mmmmm, sinister! anybody familiar with Mr Robinson's work? id > like to find out about more stuff he's written. actually thats his only novel. although bruce robinson originally wrote withnail and i as a novel it was never published, so he turned it into a screenplay which he also directed. he has written and directed a stack of other things, none of which really stand up to the magnificence of withnail and i, although he did get nominated for an oscar for writing the killing fields, which he didnt direct, and which is not really as hilarious as W+I, being about a journalist witnessing atrocities in cambodia. im pretty sure he did that one where richard e grant grows another head, but dont quote me on that. more recently bruce robinson appeared as an actor in still crazy, as the dead one, and was the best thing about that woeful pile of pants. im sure there will be people queing up to correct my innaccuracies in the above information, its all from memory honest. from tjohn. that link works now. "and do you think its possible to be sensitive and strong?" "hmm... we are." -the bmx bandits visit deadhippy online: http://www.deadhippy-records.freeserve.co.uk batfink site to come soon... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.EDU Sun May 30 11:37:32 1999 From: ynoh at xxx.EDU (Youn Jong Noh) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 03:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: white horses In-Reply-To: <375030B9.B31719E6@clara.co.uk> Message-ID: andrew dean wrote: > beack when b&s were 'lisa helps the blind' and it was pretty much just > the two stuarts. it was actually a pastels instore and they'd just come > along for the ride and did a few songs beforehand. that's a really nice story. maybe it explains why stuart was reported to have been grinning like postman pat (another british film/tv character?) at bowlie. not that he would gloat or anything. mark casarotto wrote: Therefore, "in the mud, on her knees" (obvious), "anyone, all the time" (ditto) "you know a girl who's tax free on her back.....while you are working for the joy of giving" (this is the line that shows she's not a prostitute, just a keen amateur :)). the line before "anyone, all the time" puts an entirely different twist on it, doesn't it? i think jane is trying to remove the DOUBLE STANDARD. she's trying to show that she's in it for herself, but sadly it doesn't work that way 'cos what's the use if everyone else thinks you're a victim? i thought the line-painter part meant that jane might be a painter of lines on freeways (or do you call them motorways?) which would explain why she sleeps at bus stops 'cos it must be a job like truckdriving but then i guess she works the village shop ... or maybe painting lines is what you do before you paint pictures and everything fits together? aha! "working the village shop" doesn't mean working at the village shop - so she's advertising something - her artwork ... there are many puzzling things in this that i could not find an answer to in the archives. 1. what exactly is a dose of thrush? how come you can get it in 2 ways? 2. what is QC in the sleeve notes? i see now that appearance is only the surface of substance and regret any part i played in shifting attention in that direction. youn ps what does the subject line white horses refer to? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From COURTOLY at xxx.com Sun May 30 11:39:57 1999 From: COURTOLY at xxx.com (COURTOLY at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 06:39:57 EDT Subject: Sinister: [sinister]: Caulfield and Prozac? Message-ID: I found this article at http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/articles/0,3266,25724-2,00.html Its is really wonderful about Salinger and Caulfield, and depression and drugs and records. It is proven by this list how addictive Belle and Sebastian are. We are going to have bands play at the Olymia Picnic! They are lovely boys, sure to entertain you... Love Courtney ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY The Danger of Suppressing Sadness What if Holden Caulfield had been taking Prozac? BY WALTER KIRN Considering his wealth of symptoms--lethargy, forgetfulness, loss of interest in friends and studies--can there be any doubt that Holden Caulfield, the dropout hero of J.D. Salinger's 1950s masterpiece The Catcher in the Rye, would be on Luvox, Prozac or a similar drug if he were a teenager today? No doubt whatsoever. A textbook teen depressive by current standards, Caulfield would be a natural candidate for pharmaceutical intervention, joining a rising number of adolescents whose moodiness, anxiety and rebelliousness are being interpreted as warning signs of chemical imbalances. Indeed, if Caulfield had been a '90s teen, his incessant griping about "phonies" and general hostility toward mainstream society might have been nipped in the neurological bud. The cultural consequences? Incalculable. With the stroke of countless pens on thousands of prescription pads, the American coming-of-age experience--the stuff of endless novels, movies and pop songs--could gradually be rendered unrecognizable. Goodbye Salinger, Elvis and Bob Dylan; hello psychopharmacology. "The kids in my school traded Zoloft and Prozac pills the way kids used to trade baseball cards," says Stephen Morris, an Episcopal priest and former chaplain at a Texas parochial school. Of course, this school experience doesn't prove that schoolyards everywhere have turned into bustling prescription-drug bazaars. But Morris, who headed a schoolwide committee called Addressing Behaviors of Concern, recalls that "the problems we focused on were not dramatically different from my own youthful experiences." At least three-quarters of the time, says Morris, the kids in question were placed on medication in what he saw as the beginning of a vicious cycle that frequently worsened the original problem. "Challenges that teachers used to handle are being handed over to psychiatrists. Instead of dealing with kids inside the classroom, they yank them out, put them on drugs and stick them back in with glazed eyes a few days later. No wonder the kids end up as outcasts." Such outcasts may someday form their own majority, if this trend continues. The pain and confusion of growing up, once considered the proper subject of gloomy poetry read under the blankets and angry rock songs rehearsed in the garage, can now mean a quick ticket to the doctor's office. And it doesn't take a lot of acting up for a restless teenager to attract professional attention. On a website sponsored by Channel One, a television network for school-age youth, a recent posting written with the help of the National Association for Mental Illness classified the following behaviors as possible symptoms of manic depression in teens: "increased talking--the adolescent talks too much," "distractibility," "unrealistic highs in self-esteem--for example, a teenager who feels specially connected to God." That last one is a doozy. And heartbreaking. Could it be that Cassie Bernall, who bravely professed her religious faith while staring down the barrel of a gun at the height of the Columbine massacre, was not so much a hero and a martyr as an untreated candidate for lithium? For the education establishment to go on red alert at the first sign of spirituality in their students would be a devastating development. What is happening here? For better or worse, an institutional drug culture has sprung up in the hallways of All-American High, mimicking the one already established among depressed adults. As was pointed out in the May issue of Harper's magazine, the line between illicit, feel-good drugs such as marijuana and amphetamines and legal mood-altering substances such as Luvox, Wellbutrin, and Effexor is a blurry one. Many of the same optimistic claims--enhanced concentration, decreased anxiety, a renewed capacity for feeling pleasure--are made for both types of magic bullet, whether they are bought on the street or in a pharmacy. A profoundly mixed message is being sent to teens when certain substances are demonized for promoting the same subjective states touted on the labels of other compounds. Adolescents, who are famously alert to hypocrisy among their elders, will surely be the first to catch this irony. At least one hopes so. Teenage skepticism--Holden Caulfield's bitter gift for discerning inconsistencies in the solemn pronouncements of adults--may be one of the troubling traits on the medicators' target list. A pill that tones down youthful b.s. detectors would certainly be a boon to parents and teachers, but how would it enrich the lives of teenagers? Even if such a pill improved their moods--helping them stick to their studies, say, and compete in a world with close to zero tolerance for unproductive monkeying around--would it not rob them (and the rest of yy.s) of a potent source of social criticism, political idealism and cultural change? The trials and tribulations of growing up yield wisdom for all involved, both kids and parents. The young pose a constant challenge to the old, often an uncomfortable one, almost always an unexpected one, but meeting that challenge with hastily filled prescriptions may be bad medicine for everybody. For teens who need medication just to function or lessen the real dangers they might pose to others or themselves, the new medications may truly be miraculous. I know from my own experience with clinical depression (contracted as an adult and treated with a combination of therapy and drugs) that such diseases are real and formidable, impossible to wish away. But for kids in the murky emotional borderlands described in books like The Catcher in the Rye, antidepressants, stimulants and sedatives aren't a substitute for books and records, heroes and antiheroes. "I get bored sometimes," Holden Caulfield says, "when people tell me to act my age. Sometimes I act a lot older than I am--I really do--but people never notice it. People never notice anything." Maybe if people start noticing first and medicating second, more of today's confused young Caulfields will stand a chance of maturing into Salingers. END +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.net Sun May 30 12:38:20 1999 From: honey at xxx.net (Honey) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:38:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: SOS more shocking revelations! (2nd sending) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990530103332.007a5340@mail.u-net.com> Message-ID: JJ said: > Apologies if anyone received this mail twice..I'm sending it again as > quite a few people DIDN'T receive it, although some DID. Most > peculiar and no mistake. Here we go! Could anyone who DIDN'T get this mail and who HAS received all the other mails in the last few days (check the archive) and whose email address DOESN'T appear in the errors log on the Sinister site please let me know. Only mail me if you're sure, because I'm only little. List mummy wants to know if there's really a problem. xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ar981611 at xxx.uk Sun May 30 16:29:45 1999 From: ar981611 at xxx.uk (Ailsa Ross) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:29:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Struan gets his cock out for the lads Message-ID: <37515969.9D2BA045@student.paisley.ac.uk> True. He did. Last night, in the toilets of O'Neills. Next urinal to Owen the Narrow Wizard. He didn't look, so don't ask (I did - ask, not look - and everyone laughed at me), but you'll all be delighted to know that he did wash his hands. Top quality Glasgow night out last night, made all the more top quality by our relentless stalking of Struan. After getting hugely pissed, five of us headed off to George Square to see Snow Patrol and then spent half an hour trying not to go "look, there's Richard Colburn" "where?" "Over there". "Is that Stuart Murdoch beside him?" "oh my God, do you think he's noticed we're staring at him?" etc whilst feigning interest in Snow Patrol's noisy nonsense. Then we realised they'd gone, so we decided to try all the pubs in the area, just to see if anyone we knew was in there (ahem), anyhow we got into O'Neills and there were Struan and Richard, surrounded by what can only be described as a bevy of blonde beauties, one of whom was the spitting image of Emma Bunton. "Bastards", Alasdair was heard to mutter into his pint, in a slightly bitter manner. Anyhow after much soul-searching, me and world champion Struan-stalker Sarah Wheeler decided we had to go and talk to him. As in get our photo taken with him. Sarah bravely asked him, and he went slightly pink and asked if it was a wind-up. And could we pretend like it was someone's birthday because he didn't want people to stare at him getting his photo taken. He was so lovely, and almost as embarrassed as we were. Then he went away, and we talked and stuff, then he came back and started talking to us, about Sinister and Bowlie and football. Apparently the Gentle Waves have been approached for "All Tomorrow's Parties" but as it's the 17th September, B&S are "in the studio" so it's really up to Isobel if she (and this is rather strange) can find people to play with her that weekend. He really enjoyed the last one, and was really impressed by Alasdair's Ginola-esque footballing skills. He talked about Ayr United a bit, and I bought him a drink. Baileys, if any of you bump into him in a pub and feel you want to buy him a drink. And me and Sarah grinned like muppets for the rest of the night. Then we stalked him up to the Art School. We didn't speak to him at all, but Isobel was there so Owen lurked behind pillars and was too scared to talk to her, if that counts at all. Sarah Martin was there too. But we never spoke to or stalked her. We ended up talking to David Kitchen for ages, mostly because he seemed content to heap praise on Alasdair's footballing skills, a theme running through the night, mostly perpetuated by Alasdair talking about the football at every possible opportunity and waiting for the adulation to waft his way. Surprisingly it did. "I have to take my hat off to you, you were great" said Struan, in an impressed manner. Oh, Stu's lost the bad hair colour by the way. Looks normal again. He's gorgeous when he blushes. Richard has a horrid beard, not dissimilar to the one sported by Stuart David for a week in the middle of April. Isobel was dressed all in white and according to Owen, isn't as pretty as she looks. Sinister smut content: "Ailsa's so much better with her hands than she is with her mouth". Someone said this in the pub. I know who it was, but I'm not saying. It was very very funny though. Big hellos to everyone who made it to the pub, even the lightweights who ran off at about 8 o'clock. Oh, and David, where the hell did you disappear off to when we came out of O'Neills? We waited for ages for you, you bastard... Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 9705516m at xxx.uk Sun May 30 17:48:57 1999 From: 9705516m at xxx.uk (David Andrew McNicol) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:48:57 +0000 Subject: Sinister: B&S Documentary Message-ID: <84344A573F4@lms.student.gla.ac.uk> Hi to everyone who I met yesterday on the Glasgow meet, and sorry to everyone I lost on the Glasgow meet. But enough, I believe I am in the position to record the B&S documentary tonight. My flatmate has just brought digital, but it's not up and running yet, although he knows someone who does have it working, so fingers crossed I'll have a copy, so if anyone wants a copy let me know, and I'll see what I can do. I will now dissapear, and get lost agian! Dave +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bfundak at xxx.edu Sun May 30 17:24:01 1999 From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:24:01 -0400 Subject: Sinister: The J.D. Salinger multi media experience Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990530122401.009225b0@popb.bgsu.edu> Someone was speaking about Salinger films. Let's not forget that classic of American film starring J. D.'s son, Matt, "Captain America." This movie is worse than those live action Spider Man films from the 70s. Actually, I was looking on IMDB and noticed that Matt made his film debut in Revenge of the Nerds. I wonder if his relationship with J. D. had anything to do with his budding film career. It's kind of ironic that J. D.'s son would use his priveledge to advance his own agenda, kind of like Holden Caulfield does throughout The Catcher in the Rye. I think this is my major problem with Salinger. I remember reading once that Winona Ryder said that she carries a copy of Catcher in the Rye wherever she goes. Dennis Miller called his kid Holden. This book has had an effect on cultural consciousness and yet everybody has missed the point. We aren't supposed to relate to Holden Caulfield or admire him. He's as fake and phony as everyone he rips for being fake and phony in his narrative. If you think about it, when these big stars talk about Salinger they sound just like Holden Caulfield. Kind of funny. Then again, maybe that isn't so much a problem I have with Salinger than the problems I have with the majority of his readers... Brandt "Animals crap on our floors and WE pick it up! What, did we lose a war or something?" --Homer Simpson +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Sun May 30 18:14:08 1999 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake E Hamilton) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:14:08 -0400 Subject: Sinister: There's a heartache following me Message-ID: <003901beaabf$d50c9680$48e64ace@woody> Dears, Well, it's official. I had my heart broken yet again last evening. You'd think I'd get tired of it, or used to it, or expect it as some deformed normality, mixing lust and desire and care in some sort of apocryphal cauldroned mess. You see she's probably my best friend. But we have enough distance between us (a few hundred miles) to keep all personal dealings well below head level. Well I had made it up in my mind that I would perhaps 'try' last night, as we poured vodka into our souls. 'Try' being to give her a light kiss, deliver hopeless drivel drenched comments containing very warranted praise, or just looking at her in that goofy transcendental 'you make me giggle' portrait. Well, I did the latter, a lot. I suppose my gauge mechanism on whether girls are interested or not is about as calibrated as a broken thumb. Push comes to maim, and my best friend and my sweet Molly are left alone to kiss lightly and look at the harvest moon and such. Meanwhile I fell asleep in a wood-themed den smelling of rosemary and newly bought stereo equipment. I'm sure everyone has had that broken heart feeling--hungry but can't eat, tired yet can't sleep, awake but can't think, asleep but can't dream, eating but not full, hot but not sweaty. It's particularly dreadful, especially on a day like today. It's gorgeous and sweltering, and I don't have anyone to call. Well, that's my story. A few things--I love j.d. I will always adore catcher, but f&z is just as good, and I'm actually quite surprised that nobody has mentioned nine stories. A perfect day for bananafish is my favorite short story ever. Smut, everyone needs a bit of smut as while the sun bleeds into your iris. It just helps prevent destructive decay of the membrane, I think. Smut, that is. I actually wrote my college admissions essay in the first person of Holden. You see, I think I'm worthless, therefore it was a good comparison. I called the admissions officers phonies and everything. The topic was comparing yourself to a literary figure, naturally. Well, I got into the school, so I guess it's ok. If anyone wants me to post it, be sure to let me know. do something pretty while you can, even if it you don't feel like it love, blake -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- "Fuck!" - Jarvis Cocker +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From asbuch at xxx.edu Sun May 30 21:31:03 1999 From: asbuch at xxx.edu (Heather Propes) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:31:03 -0700 Subject: Sinister: salinger films In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990530133103.007b0da0@midway.uchicago.edu> Thanks for the info on Salinger films. I didn't think there were any, just wanted to ask. In general, I prefer book versions of anything to the film versions, with one exception. I think that Milan Kundera's "The Unbearable Lightness of Being," was every bit as great a movie as it was a book. And speaking of Eastern European flicks, I also loved "My Twentieth Century," a film that captures the excitement and newness of the twentieth century better than anything else I have seen. Ciao, Heather At 10:29 PM 5/29/99 EDT, you wrote: >nah, there haven't been any salinger movies except, i believe, "uncle wiggly >in connecticut" from nine stories--- it's about phonies and what not, >according to my memory. i'd rather it be that way--- i like my books and my >movies, but they don't usually mix. > >by the way are there any portishead fans on the list? i bought their self >titled today and so far it is fantastic. > >yay looper in philly!!! > >ari >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From raquelita at xxx.com Sun May 30 16:54:29 1999 From: raquelita at xxx.com (raquelita at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: smut-o-rama Message-ID: <9905301154297X.04562@weba4.iname.net> the lovely courtney wrote: > Rachel I know you are on this list and read my posts. > This girl is the smuttiest of any girls I know and I'm > sure she's had experiences with cockrings/arab strap > if thats what it truly is. Now if you have questions > on, um, personal massagers...I could help. Thank you my dear...that is quite a compliment. I'll use it as a chance at self-promotion for you smut-minded peoples who missed my last post about it...I run a sex list. All smut, all the time (that's not actually true, there's fun and games and purity tests once in a while) and you can subscribe at: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/sexwise or read my sex column at: http://members.tripod.com/ctomag/may16cto/lust1.html as for actual cock rings or arab straps, I've probably seen 'em in the store but never in use, although I bet I know someone who has one or can tell me more about their usage. I just saw the divine Sleater-Kinney last night and they played some very OLD songs and it was incredible...and I'm off again today to see them. I've lost the Gentle Waves CD I bought so I haven't heard it yet, but hopefully I'll find it soon... xoxo, Rachel, aka Raquelita ----------------------------------------------- Get your free email at http://www.alloymail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sam at xxx.net Sun May 30 21:58:25 1999 From: sam at xxx.net (sam) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 16:58:25 -0400 Subject: Sinister: A bit on J.D. Salinger Message-ID: <199905302056.QAA24390@ns.intap.net> Well, I suppose there are four published J.D. Salinger books: 'Catcher in the Rye', 'Franny & Zooey', 'Nine Stories' and 'Seymour an introduction & raise high the roof beam, carpenters'--which is, if I remember right, a short bit introducing Seymour Glass from 'A perfect day for bananafish' and then a lot of stuff about the Glass family. I could have this all mixed up--I haven't read these since jr high. Anyway, everyone probably already knows. Oh, and there are stolen J.D. Salinger stories here & there, I guess.. 'unofficial' ones, ones that he didn't want published. I've only heard of them, though--& never seen. Oh, and Brandt's absolutely right about Holden being the 'phony' & what-- not as though I need to reaffirm it. I have vague, vague memories about reading a J.D. Salinger poem, called 'The Sacred Forest' or something along that line. It was intended as a response to 'The Wasteland', though it wasn't very good--'The Underground Forest' maybe? I don't remember where I read it, I'm probably all muddled up.. This underground forest symbolized, don't know what--the secret vitality of culture? Anyway, he was very critical of T.S. Eliot-- I could be all wrong, though. Someone else altogether could've written that. --Samuel +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From giita at xxx.com Sun May 30 23:42:04 1999 From: giita at xxx.com (Giita .) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:42:04 GMT Subject: Sinister: I know where the summer goes.. Message-ID: <19990530224205.39193.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello, Well it�s been while since I last mailed you people (sorry). All is well in Iceland, my exams are over, school is finished and life is summer! It�s wonderful...The only thing is, I have two jobs and have to work a lot, so no picnics or beach trips for me :( But waiting eagerly for the next "Bowlie"! Eurovision content: There were Eurovision parties everywhere last night, people were very exited..Even though the music was crap I went to one of those parties and participated in the yelling and NO!ing. The Swedish silicon mermaid won..sadly we were in the second place.. Well after the Visision, we went to see Jon Spencer BLUES EXPLOSION!!! (Yes, in Iceland) It was one of the best concerts I have been to in Iceland. I didn�t get to see much of their set at Bowlie, but their performance was unbelievable! Brilliant. I danced like crazy for the whole two hours they played. oh what a night.... Anyway, I just wanted to let you know I am still alive. Sweet dreams. XXX Giita @->-- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Essexdog5 at xxx.com Mon May 31 01:30:00 1999 From: Essexdog5 at xxx.com (Essexdog5 at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 20:30:00 EDT Subject: Sinister: Re: Caulfield and Prozac? Message-ID: <23f743c4.24833208@aol.com> Interesting argument re: supression of the wider worldview via sedation (at least, that's the way I read it - forgive me if my interpretation appears glib). I suspect that in 'reality', Holden would have been sent to EST (or whatever the acronym is that Lou Reed went through - ECT? ETC? ET AL?). Holden in the '90s.... Lithium, I'd have thought, as opposed to Prozac. I did the doc administered anti-depressant thing and psychoanalysis too when I was about 17, and personally I think it helped. It certainly didn't stifle creativity. Having said that, my father still blames my depressive 'episodes' on having listened to too much Smiths. I think he blames my sexuality on that too. . Nice poovetahsexual strand on the list, btw. Sorry, I know this is neither a Manics mailing list nor a Mail-A-Confessional service, so let's move on.... 1) The song in the B&S documentary ("You were always the queen of the disco - you're the Kellogs to my Nabisco" - sounds a tad like London Has Let Me Down Again)..... is this Rhoda?? Anyone? 2) Just seen Notting Hill. Slightly smilesome/feelgood, but ultimately vapid. And overridingly irritating. Now there's a shock. As for Costello's cover of Aznovaur's She - did he have to? 3) Re-read Franny & Zooey today. Salinger is very negative, innit? (LOL). Has anyone seen the film of Cocteau's Les Enfants Terrible? (possibly my favourite book along with The Secret History and various Auster 'tomes'). If so, should I seek it out, or will it kill my love of the novel? 4) I'm working on a new B&S convert - a fashion journalist/designer/stylist friend of mine who admired my Stow tee. I sold 'em too him as being kinda Simon & Garfunkel (well, he likes S&G). He's very prone to hearing music and saying "That would be GREAT for a catwalk show"... so if B&S pop up in Milan in three seasons time, it's probably my fault. Apologies in advance... Pip pip! Stephen. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From winoinc at xxx.com Mon May 31 03:24:09 1999 From: winoinc at xxx.com (jorge guerrero) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:24:09 PDT Subject: Sinister: B&S En Español Message-ID: <19990531022409.23298.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello fellow B&Sers. I waited my time, reading all the wonderful mail i got in my in box everyday. i'm from mexico and we don't get that much B&S stuff over here, the only thing i could get was TBWTAS, so i'm kind of bummed. i wish i could get to go to all those wonderful concerts, and get to buy those B&S records, but sadly, i can't. Over here it is really easier to get a Smiths t-shirt than a record, but when it comes to B&S stuff, i can't get a DAM THING 'CAUSE THEY DON'T SELL STUFF OVER HERE, o.k. that was a good healthy rant. So i there's any B&Sers in southern california(EUA) please tell me 'cause i need my B&S stuff. Thanx... ______________________________________________________________________ Jorge Luis Guerrero Martinez winoinc at hotmail.com In My CD Player: Disintegration/The Cure, Black Celebration/Depeche Mode, Almost Here/Unbelievable Truth, Louder Than Bombs/The Smiths. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From agb31 at xxx.uk Mon May 31 03:40:40 1999 From: agb31 at xxx.uk (Andy Buckley) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 03:40:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: B & S newsgroup In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990529203420.007ea570@gpo.iol.ie> References: <98b6c4c7.248195f6@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19990531034040.006f4e88@pop.hermes.cam.ac.uk> >>Why does noone of you go to the B & S newsgroup??? >> >>Antje > >Well, I know my server hasn't picked it up yet. Did you go through >alt.config and propose the newsgroup? They have don't much real control, >but it's where most sysops find out about new groups and add them to their >servers (and they get real pissy when people start a group without asking >them - they might have rmgrouped it). Also, DejaNews isn't carrying it >which is going to make it *very* hard to find . . . I know that Phil definitely posted it through alt.config since he got some compliments back on how well presented the newsgroup proposal was formulated. My own news manager was also really nice about the proposal when I asked him to rush it onto the server. So sysops don't have any excuse: go and pester them to give us all another B&S forum to natter in :) Oh, and yes it is on DejaNews: the group is under alt.music.belle+sebastian due to general restrictions on group nomenclature...that might have led to you not being able to find it but its all I had for a couple of days until the group made its way to my server...bit silly really since it was made here. >And remember, USEnet can be a nasty place :-) It already has been: we had an ardent Steps fan pestering the group about the Brits thing. Don't post any replies to his drivel: he loves it... BTW, this was my first post: not as wibbly or off topic as it should have been, I fear...don't worry, there's plenty of time for that :) Bye, Andy Andy Buckley agb31 at cam.ac.uk http://i.am/andy_b +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From treblekicker at xxx.com Mon May 31 05:12:03 1999 From: treblekicker at xxx.com (Spiral Stairs) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 00:12:03 -0400 Subject: Sinister: a simple way to go faster than light that does not work Message-ID: <002001beab1b$bcc5d120$90be7018@etob1.on.wave.home.com> hallo all on the converting friends to b+s thing: i tried to get one of my friends to listen to b+s, and after like a month of badgering, he finally agreed to. so, i brought the album over to his place [it was boy with the arab strap btw] and threw it on the record player for him... after like 5 minutes at most, he proclaims that it was "tree hugger music" and that i should go "hug some trees with the other hippies at some protest". incenced, i had to prove to him that i wasn't a hippie, or indeed a non-violent protestor, by beating him about the head furiously with the album cover. ok, so that last part wasn't true, but rest assured i gave him the frowning of a lifetime. of course he is a jazz purist [tm], so to him, if not miles davis, then utter crap. i of course, am the exact opposite :] if any of you have read the commitments by roddy doyle, you may remember a rant that joey the lips spews about jazz and a memeber of the band named dean, saying it corrupts people's soul, etc.; and at the end he blames miles davis... the funny thing is, the passage in the book perfectly describes my friend and his "corruption"; the kinda freaky thing is, both the character in the book and the friend in question are named dean... i'm sure there's an oliver stone conspiricy in here somewhere. well, either that or a scooby doo mystery, i'm not sure. latah/john "i can be settled down/and be doing just fine/ 'till i hear that old train/coming down the line." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Mon May 31 05:32:51 1999 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 00:32:51 EDT Subject: Sinister: a simple way to go faster than light that does not work Message-ID: <460b88c.24836af3@aol.com> I had a very similar experience to the one you spoke of whilst trying to convince a jazz purist friend of mine to give B+S a chance. After listening to a few choice selections from TBWTA he claimed it was "Keith Curley music;" Keith Curley being our town's resident dirtball, quasi-hippy, wastrel. Needless I took particular offense to this. He said it sounded like they couldn't play very well together and that Struan sounded way too "gay" for him to be able to get into their music. He likes bands for very arbitrary reasons so I shouldn't have been suprised, but the fact that he could bash B+S so gleefully just really got under my skin. I don't mean to rant, but... I went to Ocean City, Maryland over the weekend to ostensibly relax and crash a few go-karts or something. Whilst wearing a wrinkled dress shirt under a grey woolen sweater with grey/green khakis and Chuck Taylor's, a drunken fratboy took time from his busy routine of being an ass to stagger over to me and call me "French." After spewing said "expletive" he drunkenly ambled away into the crowd leaving me and my friend to wonder when being French became an insult. I got a good laugh out of it though so it wasn't too bad. Apparently any evidence of tweeness (or Frenchness!) in American resorts is grounds for ridicule nowadays. I'm not even that twee really, I just the dress the part you could say. Some people... Steve C. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah_drayton at xxx.com Mon May 31 08:47:38 1999 From: sarah_drayton at xxx.com (Sarah Drayton) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 00:47:38 PDT Subject: Sinister: lazy jane all the time Message-ID: <19990531074739.19012.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello Sinisterines Firstly, I'd like to say thank you to everyone that gave me all their pet name suggestions. However, my boyfriend has decided that the fish will be named Superstar D.J. despite my protestations. i should get to name it, after all I bought the little thing...I really want to name it Blofeld(cannot remember who suggested it but I thought that was a brilliant name for my little fishie as he does tend to blow a lot...erm, yeah.That reminds me of the person who said I should name it Fellatio!) Anyway, thanks guys. I'll use some of your names for future fishies, I promise! The whole LLPJ thread is interesting. I don't think that she contracted vaginal thrush but rather oral thrush since she was licking railings. I definetely do not think she was taken from behind while licking those railings but then again, anything's possible! Besides if she had thrush down there she wouldn't have necessarily got it from some guy...it is more likely she got it through some other means like wearing pants that were too tight(maybe she's a bikie chick and wears tight leather pants?!), for example.(Before any of you ask how come I know so much about this, it is because I'm a frequent reader of girly mag problem pages, especially Cosmopolitan.) I think I've written quite enough on the topic now! :) Sarah D ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Mon May 31 11:17:08 1999 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:17:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Franny or Claire Message-ID: Hey! What's up in this list while I am attending Eurovision parties and forced to support the embarrasing Norwegian entrance.I wanted Iceland to win, Giita, but Swedish riding-lover PlasticWoman managed to fool all the letchy middle-aged gentlemen across the continent.Fortunately, because of our lottery system to choose randomly the country you had to support during the party I could avoid to show any sympathy about the Spanish singer who was even more embarrasing than the Norwegian choice. And she ended in last position...! I mean , 107 messages , how can I cope with the different threads flowing here and there and try to follow people's proposals? But I have just managed to read quickly about the Franny&Zoey one, and for once, there will be an original piece of information to be contributed from here. Franny's real model was JD Salinger's second wife, Claire (he got married in France during the War,but that is a quite unknown fact).He wrote the novel while his affair with Claire was taking shape. JD was about 38 I believe when they met and Claire was 19 or 20. She was engaged to a Harvard graduate, who is obviously that totally stuffy and narrow-minded Franny's boyfriend at the beginning of the tale.Claire finally married this bloke but quit him not very long after, to go and live with JD. Her marriage seems to be only a sort of pause in her relation with our man. I don't know how Claire's fiance was in real life, but to be portraited in a book as that tosser is one of the worst revenges from a rejected pretender I can remember in human history. I will continue reading all your messages before posting any more disconnected nonsenses. What about that Greenwich picnic? Hope your Londoner weather is more understandable than ours.Here a sort of tropicalia micro-clime has developed lately, and we have hot, humid mornings and thunderstorms in afternoons. Love,love,love Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tjohn at xxx.uk Mon May 31 11:45:17 1999 From: tjohn at xxx.uk (Timothy Roberts) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:45:17 +0100 Subject: Sinister: faking intimacy is an artform of mine Message-ID: <001d01beab52$c6800820$2927883e@Poberts> well i was going to explain my interpretation of lazy line painter jane but i couldnt really articulate it very well so i thought id show you a bit of a song i wrote called ethics girl that sort of sums it up: not quite love, close enough, jules and jim, is wearing thin, laid flat, on her back, double dare, doesnt care, ethics girl, against the world its like she may fit peoples perception of a slapper, but shes doing it out of... i dont know, i told you i couldnt articulate it very well. its not really that similar over the whole song, but i thought that that bit was appropriate. it probably hasnt come out very well without the music but im trying my best. i think more people on this list should express their views through verse. or maybe not. also, i think someone mentioned this ages ago, but its strange how the song could almost be called lazy jane, which rhymes with hazey jane, because didnt stuart murdoch claim to be unaware of nick drake before people started comparing him to him? i think either a) im remembering it wrong, he never said that, b) hes telling fibs, or c) i am very paranoid right thats it, im going back to bed from tjohn. "and do you think its possible to be sensitive and strong?" "hmm... we are." -the bmx bandits visit deadhippy online: http://www.deadhippy-records.freeserve.co.uk batfink site to come soon... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Mon May 31 11:58:40 1999 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 11:58:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: dry bread and water from now on... Message-ID: <01BEAB5C.ECDE86E0.p.cullen@music-control.com> hi all, well, this is only the second time i've posted so go easy on me yeah? i promised that i would get drunk before i posted again, but due to my rather irresponsible ways at the weekend, i'm afraid THAT wont be happening for quite some time :( feeling a little depressed on friday afternoon, (look at this months "select" and you will understand why: my bowlie picture is on the espionage page and i look like robert smith.) i took a stroll into town with my wage packet, thinking maybe i'd pick up a couple of records that might cheer me up. I CAME HOME WITH A ?300 LEATHER JACKET!!!!! okay, on the plus side it's "terribly gucci, dahling" but on the minus side it cost the same as say, 100+ pints of cider or.... HALF A CAR!!!!! AARRGGGHH,..... I THINK I'M DELERIOUS!!!!!!! anyway, my mentalist spending habits aside, i think it was ailsa ross who commented on the b&s boys being in the company of a certain emma bunton lookalike at the weekend. thats my friend, that is! and she does look like emma bunton. and she's nice, to boot! :) maybe i'll be mistaken for victoria adams now in my new leather jacket. pah! wednesday adams, more like! :) oh look, no b&s content again, sorry paula cullen booze explosion booooze!!!! yeeeaaahh!!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordi-tv at xxx.com Mon May 31 09:55:15 1999 From: jordi-tv at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano i Vilar) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 09:55:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 1 point wasI insist too much Message-ID: <19990531125515.HM.0000000000160ho@mixmail.com> I don�t remember if I talked about this on previous posts, but I�m GLAD THAT SPAIN HAD ONLY 1 POINT AT EUROVISION. The song was awful, and the sin ger looked like an strange alien wearing that dress. I�ve listened all the reactions in the spanish media, and they always end by saying, "oh, the scandinavians never vote us..." or excuses like that. Cowards. I want to hear Mr. PJ Miller�s one. For the next year (in 2001, obviously) I also want my local fellows ASTRUD to play at Eurovision. They are a Pet Shop Boys-styled duo, with really nice songs. I must insist: If anyone wants the tape of the Barcelona gig, plese, wait for a few days until I know if anyone has "The loneliness..." complete. I�m reading a catalan translation of "Raise high the roof beam, carpen ters". It�s REALLY GREAT.The book also contains "Seymour: an introduction "I�m one of those guys who grew up with the TV-Era, and I haven�t read as many books as I should. I�m going to be good, and i�ll read. This is a promise, and I�m going to apply it, as this one is not one of those false promises that you do the 1st of January. Well, thanks for reading. Take care ================================================== Jordiet ================================================== Tu E-Mail Gratis en http://www.mixmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From biblesmut at xxx.com Mon May 31 15:54:22 1999 From: biblesmut at xxx.com (Beau Gestalt) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 07:54:22 PDT Subject: Sinister: pm for Lesley J Miller (so delete and stuff) Message-ID: <19990531145422.67280.qmail@hotmail.com> sorry for usuing the list for this Lesley, i cant get a message off to you at it keeps getting returned. do you have an alternate address or something? get at me. tobiepancakes _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From JMoorkens at xxx.ie Mon May 31 16:19:39 1999 From: JMoorkens at xxx.ie (Joss Moorkens) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 16:19:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: boomtown rats Message-ID: Juniper: >I've just seen the saddest thing. A squirrel with no tail! This is also known as a rat. Rather a bizarre event occurred last Friday. Some cretin called the helpdesk in our office to say that he'd planted a bomb in our building which would explode in 30 minutes. He went on to point out how we would all die horribly before ending his call. So naturally, everyone left the building and the police were called. The police, in their wisdom, decided that - since there was still 15 minutes before the alotted time - they would like some volunteers to sweep the building for suspect packages/devices. Being not-at-all-dimwitted, I agreed, so 6 of us went running around the 4 floors looking in bags and checking drawers until 6.45 arrived and we all had to run out and wait for the explosion. When it didn't happen, we were almost immediately told it was safe to reassume our positions deskside and the police cruised off. It does seem strange that they'd have the public look for bombs, though, doesn't it. And when it didn't go off in exactly 30 minutes everything was suddenly fine and safe. What if the bombers couldn't count, eh? That said, I'm far more stupid for actually going back in. Cheerio, Joss www.thumped.com/scilabs "the only person i have been shatting with on a regular basis is my grammy" - Edwin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnk at xxx.gr Mon May 31 18:37:48 1999 From: johnk at xxx.gr (John Koliopanos) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:37:48 +0300 Subject: Sinister: saint etienne Message-ID: <3752C8EC.F4107143@flash.gr> could someone pleeeeeease confirm that saint etienne are really playing in SF on wednesday. i know it's very silly but someone suggested that supposedly they're doing a secret gig at a club here (athens, greece) on the very same day! it's just bollocks, isn't it? john ps: apologies to the sinister list for the, once again, absence (cheers to JJ, stoo and sandra for the spelling of the word) of belle and sebastian content. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LeEspiegle at xxx.com Mon May 31 18:40:15 1999 From: LeEspiegle at xxx.com (LeEspiegle at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:40:15 EDT Subject: Sinister: Snowinsumr news. :) Message-ID: <888fbb62.2484237f@aol.com> just a quick note: i created and have been using LeEspiegle at aol.com because i was receiving too many emails at Snowinsumr at aol.com from other mailing lists...but now i will be back at Snowinsumr at aol.com for good...so i will be deleting this account...so if anyone needs to get in touch...use Snowinsumr... shy hugs... meganelise +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From aadam at xxx.com Mon May 31 19:00:48 1999 From: aadam at xxx.com (Aadam: smaller than a panda and far less furry) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:00:48 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Life is strange (no B&S content) Message-ID: <3752CE40.3DC5@interaccess.com> Rummaging through my favorite dumpster Saturday night I found, among art supplies and fashion magazines from the '70's, a copy of Franny & Zooey. Go figure. Coincidence or fate - you be the judge. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bfundak at xxx.edu Mon May 31 20:16:54 1999 From: bfundak at xxx.edu (Brandt S. Fundak) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 15:16:54 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Let's talk about Screwy Ju Ju Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19990531151654.009237b0@popb.bgsu.edu> Someone was talking about having their heart broken last night and I totally related, because I also put my heart on the line last night, also with my best friend. She and I talked for a while, I found out what her concerns about us going out were and no doors were shut. We're not together, but we are, and we're still friends. I think the best part is that there are still possibilities. My language is not as eloquent, nor my life as exciting as some of us on the list, but when I think of all I have shared with this girl, belle and sebastian is a major part of it. So I thought it was appropriate to share this with all of you. Brandt "Be on guard. The Aries female is sometimes hard to figure out. She seems remote, cool, slightly antipathetic, and you may get the impression that she doesn't like men. But that doesn't mean she isn't interested in you." --Sexual Astrology (1976) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From COURTOLY at xxx.com Mon May 31 22:21:19 1999 From: COURTOLY at xxx.com (COURTOLY at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 17:21:19 EDT Subject: Sinister: [sinister]:is it strange Message-ID: <4eae431d.2484574f@aol.com> My father was always accusing me of being hysterical based on the music I listened too. First it was rap that was the problem, then punk, then riot grrrl...by the time he tried to say "indie rock" was making me petulant I learned to laugh at him. Although reading the sad posts on here somedays I wonder if there are subliminal messages. The past year or so I've been bitter in love, kissing as a game, competiting for attention instead of affection, and generally letting low self esteem be ill repaired with sexual gratification. Yet I fall in love and feel hurt so easily. Bleh. I met a Sinister boy at a party Saturday. His name is John (hello!) and he was doing a lovely job of turning off the bad techno music in favor of mixing the Wedding Present. We started chatting, I was drunk for three days at that point, and I was so charmed by his glasses and foppish manner about music. I'm also reminded what a brit-popper I haven't been for a while. I will be travelling to the East Coast June 8-18th so if there are any Sinister folk in the Philadelphia/NJ/NY area I would love to meet up. I am actually going to take care of a friend whose grandfather is dying. She was raised by her grandparents and is only 20. She's never had anyone close to her pass away. I feel like there is so much I need to take care of here and in my life, but sometimes you have to put that aside for your friends. I went to a lovely party last night. A belated birthday party for Morrissey's 40th. DJ only Smith's records. Serve white cake with chocolate icing and almond slivers. Rent the Smith's live video compilations. Photocopy photos of Moz and paste rose petals all around. Steal red carnations from Thriftway and hand them out to the guests to stick in their back pockets. Make Morrissey masks and glue them on cardboard with popsicle sticks. Serve red wine, pink wine, and champagne. Burn lots of candles. Have a karaoke session. Frown at the two wierdos who hate Belle and Sebastian. >I CAME HOME WITH A ?300 LEATHER JACKET!!!!! >okay, on the plus side it's "terribly gucci, dahling" but on the minus >side it cost the same as say, 100+ pints of cider or.... HALF A CAR!!!!! >AARRGGGHH,..... I THINK I'M DELERIOUS!!!!!!! Dahlin its okay. I'm nursing blisters from a new pair of DKNY pumps I paid $181 for on Saturday. For a pair of shoes! I've never done that on an impulse buy, usually I'd see them and save up and fret and then go back and find them sold. Love Courtney +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alix.campbell at xxx.net Mon May 31 22:30:20 1999 From: alix.campbell at xxx.net (Alix Campbell) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:30:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: maybe on topic, tremendously dull, may involve stoats Message-ID: <004701beabac$c9f5b400$8b40a8c2@big-comp> look here you lot i want you to come to this. pay attention now. oxford is this little city, full of poo, and it's not nice. that is why you ought visit. because you're probably lovely. its not really full of poo either. thats not allowed in this day and age. http://www.belleandsebastian.co.uk/cgi-bin/mboard/belle/thread.cgi?204,0 anyway, i don't really know whats actually happening, but, noone else seems to have posted about it. so, even if you live in bulgaria, i expect you to come. so, next saturday, in the city of poo. i give permission to whoevers organised this to slap me a bit, for scaring everyone away. now, although i made it clear last week that i was backing greece in the eurovision, i can now reveal that this was an incredibly funny joke. i *knew* all along that they weren't even in it. incidentally, the most interesting instrument this year was used by, belgium, i think. it was a canteen, and this bloke was blowing into it. though not like a canteen in a school or cheese factory, blowing into that type of canteen is not just folly, it is More Than Folly. though, i heard say it was a nose flute. but they don't exist, and i saw it, on the telly, so it has to exist, therefore, it was not a nose flute. i do admit, i was saddened by the lack of instruments composed of pot pourri, beatrix potter bookmarks and 19th century etchings of belgravia. that would have earned my votes. thats all. you may go now alix.x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MWaggner at xxx.com Mon May 31 23:11:25 1999 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 18:11:25 EDT Subject: Sinister: bombs, robberies, free meals and wanking Message-ID: <5f30ae16.2484630d@aol.com> In a message dated 99-05-31 11:33:01 EDT, you write: > t does seem strange that they'd have the public look > for bombs, though, doesn't it. And when it didn't go off in exactly 30 > minutes everything was suddenly fine and safe. What if the bombers couldn't > count, eh? That said, I'm far more stupid for actually going back in. Back when I worked in a bank, we received a bomb threat... the police came and looked in the wastebaskets on the first floor. We asked if they were going to look on the second floor and the basement... they checked their watches with worried faces and said no, ummm, they thought they'd... errr, leave. We got to go across the street for lunch on the bank. After a while the manager reckoned it might be safe to go back, but we kept taking turns telling him how worried we were. Finally 3 o'clock bank closing came around and we felt a lot braver and returned to balance out and go home. If you get robbed, the bank buys you a nice dinner. My worst job, when I was a student, was in one of those free-standing film kiosks in a shopping center parking lot. They always get robbed, and so you go through robbery training periodically. I was asked, "what do you do if someone asks for all the money?" and I said, "give it to them and ask, would you like some nice, fresh FotoMat film?" I think that was the wrong answer. Once in awhile there would be a seedy character hanging around when I'd have to take the money to the bank night deposit. Calls to the police asking for a patrol car to drive by to protect me never resulted in anything at all as they were always "too busy." But one night a guy came by and ...enjoyed himself ... all over the windowcounter. There was never any wanking training so I wasn't sure what to do -- but I called the police while he was... pleasuring himself... and they sent 3 patrol cars, a motorcycle cop and a van. They didn't catch the guy nor did they clean up his mess. Fine public servants we have in this day and age. I wonder what the bank would give you for a deposit like that? Sorry for the ramble -- but blame it on Joss, who should be a lot wiser than to go looking for bombs. He doesn't post enough as it is. --michele +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister at majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo at majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+