Sinister: Instructions and FAQ updated for missprint.org
honey at xxx.org
honey at xxx.org
Sat Jan 8 18:55:34 GMT 2000
Belle and Sebastian
Sinister Mailing List
This is a list of questions for using the list. A list of frequently
asked questions for Belle and Sebastian themselves can be found at the
Jeepster Site at http://www.jeepster.co.uk/belleandsebastian/faq.
I know this document is long but please take time to read it
before you use the list. Ignorance is no defence, and you're
expected to have read and agreed to these before posting - if not,
you might encounter the BLACK HOLE OF SINISTER. And don't think
I'm not aware, and slightly apologetic, about how long this is,
but it's been reached at by agreement with the wishes of the
majority of people who are on the list and have taken time to mail
me about it.
Finally, please always remember to check the Sinister WWW site
regularly for list news:
http://www.missprint.org/sinister
Mailing List Frequently Asked Questions
Index
Preface
A. What's Sinister? What connection has it with the record
company?
B. What happens if I don't bother reading this?
C. Before you start: sending plain text messages to the list
Using the list
1. How do I send messages, subscribe/unsubscribe from Sinister?
2. So I just send everything to "sinister at missprint.org", yeah?
3. I'm getting fed up with all these messages, can I get them all
together sometime instead?
4. Can I tell who is on the list?
5. I can't get off the list - why not?
6. I'm on the list but I've stopped getting any emails - what's
happened?? --OR-- My list messages stopped and I get keep getting
silly ones about a list called "honey-bounces" - what's all this
about?
7. I only just joined the list, can I see what's previously been sent?
8. Someone mentioned something on the list and I can't remember when
or what they said - shall I ask again?
9. I need someone's email address from the list and I can't find it
10. When I send a reply to the list the address my mail program
decides to send to if I don't change it is stupid! Why don't replies
automatically go back to the list / the recipient only?
List content and rules
11. OK so it's a music list then?
12. So what can we talk about on the list?
13. So why can't anyone out there send any old junk to the list?
14. Brilliant! I can advertise my new band/floor cleaner/hygiene
product to everyone on the list now!
15. He/she's really winding me up, I'm going to slag them off
something rotten...
16. What else do I have to remember?
Hints
17. What is "Tigermilk" / what other recordings are there / who is in
the band etc etc?
18. Can someone record me a CDR, MD, MP3 of Tigermilk or another B&S
release?
19. I've found a shop selling CDR bootlegs...
20. Hey I've found out Belle and Sebastian are releasing a single /
playing a gig and no-one's mentioned it yet, I'm going to tell
everyone...
About the list
21. Who provides this list? Who says I can't do what I want on it?
22. What has the list got to do with Jeepster, the record company?
23. Do the band read the list?
24. Why bother with all this?
25. What sort of presents can I send to Honey to show him I love him?
Using the list
A. What's Sinister? What connection has it with the record
company?
The Sinister list sprung fully-formed from the fiery backside of a
list briefly set up on one of those WWW public services by
the Belle and Sebastian "fan-club"; unfortunately these public
lists don't work very well, so it was restarted on this server by
me shortly after its birth. It's the original fully-flavoured and
pedigree Belle and Sebastian mailing list, set up in 1997, with
about a thousand members.
It's a very special list - not a "resource for fans", but a
community of people who love the music of Belle and Sebastian,
and who usually love each other, often ending up in each others
underwear too. It isn't for people who want quick one-shot
answers to one-shot questions, or want to sell something, or
want to show how cool they are (because I'm not), but is a safe
hidey-hole for people who want somewhere they can contribute and
receive thoughtful, imaginative and saucy thoughts about the
band and everything that starts there and doesn't end up
somewhere pointless. Although it isn't solely a news list,
you will also get Belle and Sebastian news promptly, passed on
from record company mails or the band themselves.
The list is run from Scotland, so it's pretty close to home,
and many of the members are friends of the band - the band
sometimes mail and often read too. This is worth remembering
when you're thinking of sending in scurrilous rumours, amused
though the band are by all that too though sometimes. Please
remember: although this list was originally called "the Official
List" by Jeepster, it's entirely independent of the band and
the record company - it's completely independent of all
commercial concerns in fact, and is here for you.
B. What happens if I don't bother reading this?
The list has got too big and too hard to manage to tolerate people
who want to show off, swap personal jokes with friends, use it as
a forum to promote their ego, abuse others, or carry on blithely
ignoring the rules below, which try to keep some sort of sanity
for the many many people who receive every message. If it looks
like you're blindly and deliberately ignoring the rules in this
document over a long period of time, your mail might eventually
stop getting passed through to the list unless you sharpen up. If
you keep on offending you'll get kicked and banned. I'm afraid
this has become necessary as the list has grown and nearly now
become unmanageable, and is something called for very strongly by
the majority of listees. But, listen, it'll only happen to people
who've clearly ignored all this. Just please read ALL the rules
before even thinking of posting. And don't grumble :)
C. Before you start: sending plain text messages to the list
Please read the document:
http://www.missprint.org/sinister/plaintext.html
before sending to the list, otherwise your messages might never
get through. It's a set of checklists to ensure the mail program you
are using doesn't send unreadable formatting information to the list.
Using the list
1. How do I send messages, subscribe/unsubscribe from Sinister?
There are two addresses you need to remember to use the list:
sinister at missprint.org
- this is the address to send messages to everyone on the list.
Everything sent here goes to everyone - the list software makes a copy
of your message and sends it on to everyone who is subscribed. You
use this address everytime you want to mail information to the list,
when you've been given the ability to post to it.
majordomo at missprint.org
- this is where you send mailing list requests i.e.
subscribe/unsubscribes. Messages sent here don't go to the list but
perform certain commands - they should be sent in the body of your
message (i.e. first line) and not the subject line. There's not a
person on the other end but a program which reads commands you send in
your email and responds to them, so you need to type them exactly
right. To subscribe to the list you need to send the following
command:
subscribe sinister
and equally
unsubscribe sinister
to get off the list.
It's important you understand the distinction between these two
addresses.
Once you've joined the list you have to wait a little while before you
can send a post to it. This is to ensure that newcomers get a feel
for list content, look through the archives and information on these
WWW pages and soak up the list atmosphere before taking part. The
list is sufficiently big now that this time in the nursery for new
members is necessary to stop the list going wild with new requests and
questions that have been asked many times before and can be easily
answered by looking in the Archives or Searching.
This may all seem a bit harsh but this list is very special,
usually extremely friendly, welcoming and helpful, and most list
members consider themselves part of a warm community, sometimes even
with occasional trouser fumblings. I'd hate visitors to this page to
see this as elitist - it's simply a way of introducing a warming-up
period so that there's some continuity in the spirit of the list. If
you want a nice place to stay on the Internet, it's worth the wait,
and I daresay you'll appreciate this measure when you're a proper
member. If you rejoin the list later having gained a voice before,
you'll get it back straight away.
The current period you have to sit in the nursery and play with bricks
for before getting a voice to post is 2-3 weeks (the procedure to give
you a voice runs every week or so). At that time you'll get a mail
message telling you you have graduated and can now post. It's still
very important that you've read through all the List Rules before
taking part, as failure to follow them could result in your voice
being permanently removed.
If you ever get really stuck and you have read the rest of this page,
then just send a personal message to
honey at missprint.org
This gets through to a person i.e. me and I can sort it out but
I'll pull a face if you haven't tried everything suggested here.
2. So I just send everything to "sinister at missprint.org", yeah?
No! Read again! Never send unsubscribe requests to the list
itself (i.e. sinister at missprint.org) but always to
majordomo at missprint.org!!! This is very important as you'll
find people will want to throttle you if you send such messages to
the list - it happens a lot and drives people mad. I may be able
to put a block on these and chuck them away but I do not have the
time to manual subscribe/unsubscribe people who get it wrong.
3. I'm getting fed up with all these messages, can I get them all
together sometime instead?
Yes, instead of subscribing to "sinister" you need to subscribe to
"sinister-digest". This means you get a single mail of all
messages to the list rather than each message individually as
someone send it. Digests are sent out every now and again,
probably about once a day but actually when the number of lines
hits a certain threshold. Just follow the same rules as above,
so just send the message:
subscribe sinister-digest
to:
majordomo at missprint.org
Note the hyphen above, many people leave it out and it matters!
Remember if you are changing to the digest to unsubscribe from the
standard list.
4. Can I tell who is on the list?
Yes. The first way is to click on the links on the main WWW page
under "Joining". Here you can see the full email addresses of people
on the main list, the digest, and a breakdown of who on the list is
from which countries.
If you can't get to the WWW you can still get a list by email: just
send the command
who sinister
to
majordomo at missprint.org
Equally you can get some info on the list be sending:
info sinister
but you'll probably just get the same as you're reading here.
5. I can't get off the list - why not?
Don't mail me until you've read this or I'll get a bit grumpy. There
are several reasons why it doesn't work when you expect it to:
1. You're not on "sinister" but the digest version which is actually
a separate list called "sinister-digest". You need to send an
"unsubscribe sinister-digest" command.
2. Your mail program is sending out your email address in a slightly
different format than before (maybe you changed programs). First
you should check your subscription address by finding it in the
correct list, using the "who" command or looking at the list from
the top WWW page as described above. If you see your address
still on the list then try:
unsubscribe sinister email-address
There'll be a slight delay while this kind of request gets
approved but it'll be a lot quicker than waiting for me to sort it
out manually.
3. You're actually off the list but mail is still dribbling through -
again check the subscriber list from the WWW or using the "who"
command.
If none of this works and you're sure you're still on the list, then
mail me, but send me the error you get when you try and unsubscribe.
I can't do much without this.
6. I'm on the list but I've stopped getting any emails -
what's happened?? --OR-- My list messages stopped and I get keep
getting silly ones about bouincing email - what's all this about?
Often your service provider will have problems with its email setup
and mail to you from the list will bounce back to me. I get many of
these a day and after mail has bounced once or twice you will be taken
off the Sinister list or digest and put on another list to warn
you regularly. It keeps trying you until it gets through, i.e.
your email is fixed and you can see the problem.
The next thing to do is read the message! It will
tell you what to do. You need to first take yourself off the
bounce list (to stop getting the reminders). You do this by
sending a mail to "owner-sinister at missprint.org" the text of which
says just "unbounce". You then need add yourself back on the
"sinister" or "sinister-digest" as if you are a new user.
If you were on the main list then you would send the following to
majordomo at missprint.org (not sinister at missprint.org!):
subscribe sinister
You should get confirmation back that this has worked.
If your address is having delivery problems (i.e. the list can't
get through to you) then it will be receiving errors - to see if
it is for you, take a look at the list of the last 30 internet
service providers to generate errors to see if your delivery address
has problems: just look for the file that contains the name of your
ISP (something that looks like your email address) and look inside to
see if it mentions your own account as giving an error.
If you have tried all the suggestions in this list, contact the
list owner. But if you find an error message in this directory
referring to your email, take a copy and shove it under the nose
of your system administrator or service provider, asking them
what's wrong.
At any rate, if you stop getting list emails you should check you
are still on the list by looking at the membership lists under
Joining The List. You could also check that there is mail
currently arriving by looking at the list archives.
7. I only just joined the list, can I see what's previously been
sent?
Yes there is an archive available on the WWW. Just click on
"Archives" at the top of the main Sinister WWW page which is at:
http://www.missprint.org/sinister
This is the last page of the current month's archive of messages.
Follow the links from that page to see any week's messages on the
list, and there are links to see messages in date order etc. if
you prefer.
8. Someone mentioned something on the list and I can't remember
when or what they said - shall I ask again?
Well have a look in the archives first so you don't get told that
it's been answered before. Use the search facility on the WWW
site - you can find it by going to the "Search" link at the top of
the main Sinister page. You can search for any word or series of
words by typing them in the box. There are lots of options to
search for different things.
9. I need someone's email address from the list and I can't find
it
Use the "Search" above to look for their name in the archive.
Don't ask the list or you'll be spanked.
10. When I send a reply to the list the address my mail program
decides to send to if I don't change it is stupid! Why don't
replies automatically go back to the list / the recipient only?
The setting for this list is that a Reply-to field is not set.
This means that for most mail programs replies will go back to the
sender of the message rather than the list itself. This may or
may not be the right behaviour for you, but is set as a most
conservative and safest choice for the list. This is a fairly
religious issue but here's a quick discussion why I have done it
this way.
Please digest users in particular remember that a reply to a
message in the digest will not go to the list. It goes to
"owner-sinister" which is a particular kind of black hole :) I
get these sometimes and I'm afraid the list takes too much of my
time to manual send stuff on. It'll get deleted very rapidly, so
you'll just have to remember I'm afraid.
The main reason is because it is generally seen as bad practice to
do this,although it's quite widespread - see for instance
http://www.unicom.com/FAQ/reply-to-harmful.html
The reason for this isn't petty technical completeness but because
it can cause very real problems - only in the last month my
mailbox was filled with a thousand copies of the same error
message caused by a badly constructed mail program at the
receiving end by someone on the list - some of the bigger
corporations just don't abide by standard Internet mailing rules
and their programs send errors back to the Reply-To field, which
go back to the list and via the list back to the offending machine
and... you can imagine. For people picking up their mail via
dial-up I can only imagine the nightmares this would cause.
List content and rules
11. OK so it's a music list then?
Well - sort of - but remember it's a list for People Who Listen To
Belle And Sebastian and it's very existence is centred around that
idea. There are plenty of much more general music lists (e.g.
"indiepop") which will be better suited to someone who wants to
talk for hours about a particular genre. These other lists have
many more resources behind them and are there for just that. Of
course we're all going to talk about music/books/wallpaper we like
but there's a balance to be struck. It's actually quite a hard
balance to find so the best thing to do is watch the list for a
while and see what people like.
12. So what can we talk about on the list?
Anything vaguely connected with the band or with life as a fan of
Belle and Sebastian, is OK. The list is the place where you'll
hear any real news about Belle and Sebastian first, but it is also
a place where people will tell stories about what's happened to
them, if they think they're funny or relevant. Try and remember
this: it's a list for Belle and Sebastian but more importantly
about the lives of People Who Listen To Belle And Sebastian. If
you want a low-volume news-only list for the band then don't
join. You will get a lot of mail that isn't about latest
releases, gigs, appearances etc., but instead about ourselves.
The list goes right when it's lively, funny, interesting,
touching, and sometimes even useful. The list goes wrong when
people post irrelevancies, not-so-funny "clever" quips, or long
discussions take place which would be more suited to another list
(like discussions of the relative merits of a band unrelated to
B&S).
I may step in if we get a long long conversation about something
interesting to only a tiny minority of the list - some people pay
handsomely for their email and would not be pleased to receive a
thousand messages about an obscure band from Wigan who once
sounded a bit like the intro to one of Belle and Sebastian's
songs. If you do receive a mail from me which asks you to stop
posting to the list on a particular subject, or in a particular
way, please don't be offended - I am just trying to keep this list
running ok - but please do something about it. I have seen too
many lists die as a result of losing sight of what they are for
and why people liked them in the first place, and don't want the
same to happen here, if it can be avoided.
Please try and be sensitive to the majority of listeners (about
1000 at the time of writing) and do not continue long threads on
an unrelated subject - if you wish to divert widely from the
issues related specifically to the band, then go to a more general
list or pop along to www.liszt.com and join another list as well!
Pet theories about whether Elvis is a cat or indeed a brussel
sprout are however tolerated for a long time because they amuse
your list administrator.
13. So why can't anyone out there send any old junk to the list?
Because you can only send to the list if you are a member. Some
people may be on the list, but try and send from another mail
account somewhere else - normally this mail will bounce back to
you with a message explaining why. Other people's mail programs
send out the sender's email address in a different format from the
address you subscribed with - unfortunately my computer doesn't
know that and will again send back your email, explaining why and
what to do. This restrictions to posting to the list has been
added, to remove the possibility of unsolicited adverts, and more
importantly, to promote a sense of community and inhibit one-off
mailshots from people who haven't taken the time to absorb the
list's content and try and fit in sensitively. This has been
necessary as a lot of loyal list members have appealed to me to
stop un-thought-out and careless emails from people who don't want
to make an effort, and it's made the list very hard to read. I
don't allow new members who read the WWW archives by choice, to
post to the list I'm afraid, as it's just too easy to skip through
one or two messages instead of committing yourself to be a member
and therefore appreciate what a pain 40 pointless messages in a
day can be in your mailbox.
14. Brilliant! I can advertise my new band/floor
cleaner/hygiene product to everyone on the list now!
Please please please don't abuse the list in this way. Anyone who
consistently and unashamedly sends adverts to the list will be banned
with no court of appeal.
15. He/she's really winding me up, I'm going to slag them off
something rotten...
DO NOT FLAME PEOPLE OR BE ABUSIVE! I take this very seriously and
will act accordingly - too many mailing lists have been ruined by
arrogance or a quick temper by people who consider themselves "real
fans" - a rather pathetic term. This mailing list is setup for
everyone, especially new enthusiastic listeners who do not need to be
abused and belittled. Please be helpful and if you can't think of
anything nice to say go and do a jigsaw. Anyone who is consistently a
real pain will be permanently removed. I am a naive kitten and I
don't like fights on my list and I'll stop them - there are plenty of
angry lists to go to if you want.
If anyone feels they are being unfairly mistreated or have any other
problems with the list please mail me rather than the list. I will
sort out any such problems offline.
This of course doesn't mean you can't express strong feelings strongly
- in fact it's mandatory. But don't attack people, attack things.
16. What else do I have to remember?
Please read these and remember. If someone consistently ignores these
you might get a bit of a growl and in extreme cases I'll stop people
posting and kick people off if the happiness of the majority on the
list demands it.
* Don't use the list to sell stuff or you will get an angry note
from me - this list must stay strictly non-commercial to ensure
its future existence.
* Don't send warnings about viruses to the list! You might be being
friendly but 99.9% of these "virus warnings" are hoaxes - the only
"virus" is the fact that you are passing it on, and everyone who
knows will groan. If you see one of these and aren't sure then
mail me and I will check for you.
* Don't send lots of replies to separate messages on the list one
after another. This doesn't seem to go down well. Proper
behaviour is to hold back, read a few messages and bundle up your
replies to them all in one big message for the day. If you're
sending more than two messages a day, unless in exceptionaly
circumstances where you have something very important to tell us
all, then you're getting it wrong, and will probably hear from me.
* If you are replying to someone, take the time to edit the bits you
are quoting from their message carefully and just quote a few
lines. If you can't be bothered editing the message you are
replying to, don't bother sending - laziness on your own part
equates to over 800 people having to page through stuff they've
read before. If you are adding fewer lines than you are quoting
it's probably not worth sending either.
* Don't comment on what is or isn't a "good mail" to the list, and
the nature of content on the list please: comments such as "you
shouldn't have posted that, it's not on-topic" or "I think we
should be able to talk about ... and it's none of your business to
stop us". These kind of discussions about mailing lists on
mailing lists are as old as the hills and go round and round - any
attempt to "improve" list content inevitably results in an
increasingly tedious well-trod path or "yes we can", "no you
can't" and the list always gets worse. Mails about list content
are not considered a valid subject for this list, and I will put a
stop to such if I see them starting. The correct response if you
see postings you don't like is: (a) mail the sender politely and
with panache, explaining why, and/or (b) mail me and let me
know. If I get a few comments on a particular thread on the list
I will always act to make it work for the majority of people; plus
it makes me feel wanted.
* Don't send number games/quizzes/petitions/jokes to the list
please. Put a bit of yourself into your posts.
* If you really need some information on something that other people
may not want to know, please make sure you remember to tell
people not to mail back to the list, but to you personally. If
you think others might be interested, say you will post a summary
of the mails you received. And, erm, do it.
* Don't use the list for private mail to 5 people you know. Please
help my server stay unclogged so this list can survive.
* Don't send lists of your favourite bands/films or anything to the
list, and don't join in if someone else asks people to. This is
the plague of mailing lists the world over: lists of "things I
like" are usually completely useless the other end, and usually
mean they want you to know how tasteful they are :)
If you want to talk about bands you like, tell us why.
* People will talk about a book or film or song or sandwich filling
they love or hate. That's fine - but please don't just say "it's
great" or "it's crap". Say why. Just because a lot of people
tell me they get fed up with these.
* Please don't send messages with attachments to the list. This may
not be junk to you but there's still lots of people out there who
don't use mail programs that know how to deal with anything but
standard text. And please remember some of us use Unix etc. as a
principle platform and so attachments in proprietary formats (like
Microsoft Word) will just be plain unreadable. If anyone wants to
share material that isn't in standard text format, or that's of
significant size, that's fine - just send it to me and I will post
it up on the WWW site. That way people get to choose to download
it...
* Don't fling any old message to the list or treat it like email to
a few friends - it just doesn't translate on a massive scale and
people will get irritated. Think before you send. The drill is:
compose your message - hover your hand over the send button for 10
seconds - think: "would Cliff Richard send this?" - send.
Hints
17. What is "Tigermilk" / what other recordings are there /
who is in the band etc etc?
This list of answers doesn't cover any of that - it's just guidelines
for using the list itself. You can imagine that question like these
get asked and answered all the time. There's a set of answers to
questions like these on the record company site at:
http://www.belleandsebastian.co.uk/faq/index.htm
Please make sure you read these if you're new before posting your
question.
18. Can someone record me a CDR, MD, MP3 of Tigermilk or
another B&S release?
Members of staff of Belle and Sebastian's record company Jeepster
pop in and out of the list. They are a business and have stated
their position many times: they are happy for people to exchange
analogue tape copies of B&S recordings, including Tigermilk, but
draw the line at anything in a digital format. This includes CDRs,
minidisc recordings, and MP3 files on the Internet, and if they hear
about people exchanging such formats, they often choose to contact
the sender. So, just as a warning, if you go mentioning it on the
list, you'll probably get a letter from them. People forget lists
are public forums anyone can read.
This is the position Jeepster take, in accordance with their own
polices, and is a matter for them, too often discussed on the list:
it just leads to acrimony and the whole debate on the list one
more time. If you want to talk about the ethics of it, make sure
you've read through everything anyone has said about it and have
something startlingly new to say. Please also note that Jeepster's
position is their own, not mine, and has nothing to do with the
running of this list. It also doesn't mean I approve or disapprove
of what they do.
19. I've found a shop selling CDR bootlegs...
See above. If you tell people on the list, then Jeepster have
been know to write them a nasty solicitor's letter. And remember
that commercially produced bootlegs are usually poorly done, with
no love for the music, and mean you're just giving more cash to
some criminal who'll go off and spend it on Celine Dion LPs for
his mum. Don't do it.
20. Hey I've found out Belle and Sebastian are releasing a
single / playing a gig and no-one's mentioned it yet, I'm going to
tell everyone...
Well you may be right, but it's pretty likely you're not. There
seems to be masses of people/shops out there who "know" about release
dates/gigs before the band or record company do. To save everyone
going out and booking plane tickets, I'd suggest you mail Jeepster
to check before you post to the list.
About the list
21. Who provides this list? Who says I can't do what I want
on it?
The resources to run this list are provided by me and it is
not a guaranteed public service - I will do whatever is necessary to
ensure its continued existence. If you want a completely unrestrained
list where anyone can talk for weeks about anything, there are
other lists which advertise themselves as unmoderated; or if you
want a more constrained list that is moderated or band news only,
then I'm afraid you'll have to go elsewhere too. Or indeed you can
go off and make your own list: that's what the Internet's for.
I'm hoping I can keep this list going on the resources I have - but if
it impacted too much I might have to withdraw it one day. To ensure
it continues therefore it isn't a public resource in quite the same
way a newsgroup is. So please be nice, be aware of who you're sending
messages too, remember the list rules, and be public-spirited.
22. What has the list got to do with Jeepster, the record
company?
Nothing formally at all. The list isn't here to promote Jeepster, or
indeed the band really, and we don't have to say only nice things
about either of them. Courtesy is required though.
I'm making these points just to say that it's a separate, strictly
non-commercial meeting place - if you want fan club or record
company comment then go straight to Jeepster.
23. Do the band read the list?
The answer is pretty much: yes, sporadically. The band have an office
in Glasgow and a few members get Internet access elsewhere and they
keep up with it on and off when it's interesting. Please don't let
that inhibit anyone from saying anything - remember it's your list,
not anyone elses. And don't expect an answer from the band to a query
on the list - it's pretty unlikely. Mail them direct from the link to
the band WWW pages on the Sinister top page.
24. Why bother with all this?
Lists of frequently asked questions like this are usually formal and
stuffy affairs so a personal note: I am a grumpy thirty-something who
still refuses to listen to Eric Clapton or moan how good music was
when he was 16 - it's hard though when we're surrounded by so much
mediocrity, but we shouldn't kid ourselves it was any different 15
years ago. But when I heard Belle and Sebastian I jumped for joy at a
band with genuine musical sense, charm, toughness and POPness. So
this is still all about music.
25. What sort of presents can I send to Honey to show my love?
A very good question - honey of course, rude postcards or silly little
toys.
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