From jp.champagne at xxx.ca Thu Jun 1 00:43:54 2000 From: jp.champagne at xxx.ca (Jean-Pierre Champagne) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:43:54 -0400 Subject: Sinister: For those in Toronto... Message-ID: <3935A3BA.6581A8A8@utoronto.ca> Just wanted to let you all know that I picked up FYHCYWLAP today at Penguin Records (at Queen and McCaul). For some reason, they got it in today and put it in the bins right away. Nice. So get down there. While I was there, one of the new girls from MuchMusic was doing an interview with Blackalicious (me thinks it was) in the corner. In the same corner of the shop is a wide poster of the cover of Endtroducing, and the one guy, looked at it, and laughed, since he's the one up front going through the bins. Funny. JPMFC +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kpc98c at xxx.UK Thu Jun 1 01:03:03 2000 From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 01:03:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the shape im'n in Message-ID: <200006010004.BAA06528@missprint.org> hi, hello all, I normally don't like to post unless i've something to say, but I just finished my exam and i'm pissed.. sorry.. everyone,buy legal man, if you don't buy it you must be really silly and must do something equally silly as penalty (like spraying yourself with an extra strong super soaker gun that fires 8 gallons of water in 30 seconds btw invite me when you do that so that i can laugh at whoever that gets fired (watered) at :-))))))) Cheers (sorry) Ken ====================================================================== Is it wicked when you smile, even though you feel like crying even though you could be sick at any time? - Belle & Sebastian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From FoxInASnow at xxx.com Thu Jun 1 01:11:09 2000 From: FoxInASnow at xxx.com (FoxInASnow at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:11:09 EDT Subject: Sinister: poetry question Message-ID: <8e.5c4c094.2667041d@aol.com> > I have a poetry question,and seeing as we're getting back into the poetry > spirit..what is 'troaich triameter'?it would be much appreciated.I can't > find anything on it,but maybe I am spelling wrong. See,I get bonus marks if > I write a poem in that style,but my english teacher wouldn't define it for > me,he merely smiled and shook his head mysteriously...ohh! Oh oh oh, i KNOW this one. A trochee goes DA dah, like heartbreak or warthog or tunesmith. And trimeter just means three feet per line, so each line of a poem in trochaic trimeter would go DA da DA da DA da. Other words to impress your teacher are: iamb (da DA, like in "iambic pentameter," five feet per line of da DAs, like Shakespeare used - iambs are the closest to natural speech), dactyl (DA da da), anapest (da da DA), and spondee (DA DA or any other absence of the other four patterns). Trying to think of an example, the first bit of trochaic trimeter i came up with was: "If you want my body, and you think i'm sexy, come on sugar let me know" though that features an extra beat at the end, the "know," so it isn't quite technically trimeter in the last line. Ha. Good thing for my English major. Why doesn't the poetry parrot visit ME? Jess +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LunaLilly at xxx.com Thu Jun 1 01:20:52 2000 From: LunaLilly at xxx.com (LunaLilly at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:20:52 EDT Subject: Sinister: my first email Message-ID: <6d.48429f5.26670664@aol.com> Hello you sinister children. My name is Olivia. I live in a city in the smack middle of America. It's a nice place to live...you know ups and downs like most places. Obviously I adore belle and Sebastian and am wild about Stuart like all the other girls. I recently got home from a lovely trip to Colorado. I was in Denver for a few and found out to my deep sadness that Elliott Smith was playing the night that I was to go to Vail. I was sick from the horror of being there with completely non sympathetic girls who wouldn't take me back to Denver to see him. Well, Sunday night we were roaming the streets of down town Denver when who do I see sitting outside of a bar smoking a cigarette and looking altogether wonderful.....like an oasis in a desert?? You guessed it....Elliott Smith. I went into a bimbo teen mode and asked him for his autograph. I have never done this before and felt so silly and wretched. He was so kind and scrawled a bit on a beer stained napkin. The main problem is this....being a stupid and hung-over girl....I left it in my hotel room. I could have cried. Oh well....life goes on. I work at a plant nursery and I also clean houses for rich mean ladies. I am not in college nor do I intend on it. I read many books and listen to only the cream of the crop music. I am a potter and a photographer and I am a lazy nature head. I am going to the UK and France in a couple of months and Japan in the winter if anyone has some fun tips for me. I got drunk with an Australian boy and we hit it off so well...but to my sickness....and sadness.....he is going home and we shall never see each other again. That is all I feel like I should say....since it's mostly a bore anyway. Please all have lovely dreams and glorious mornings. xxx Olivia +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From edb213 at xxx.edu Thu Jun 1 02:58:20 2000 From: edb213 at xxx.edu (Eric D Brasure) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: PA/NJ/DE, of the good ol' USofA Message-ID: sorry to clog up everyone's email bins with locality rubbish, but I couldn't let the mentions of pennsylvania/new jersey/delaware meet-ups go without me putting my two lurker cents in, since I'm stuck in delaware for the summer. I'd love to go and do whatever it is that is done at these meet-ups, but since I'm carless I'd have to beg for a ride, and I certaintly wouldn't do that. er, wait. I think I just did. pip pip, eric p.s. please excuse the "pip pip". I'm in an interesting mood because I think I was flirting with the cute new guy at work. sorry to be so teeny-bopperish, but I've vowed to be more gay (with bells and dancers around it), and I figured that posting this to a list of 1500 wouldn't hurt. "If you start out depressed, everything's a pleasant surprise." -Lloyd Dobler +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From aconover at xxx.net Thu Jun 1 04:25:43 2000 From: aconover at xxx.net (adam apparatus) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:25:43 -0400 Subject: Sinister: taking a ride to somewhere inside Message-ID: <200006010259.WAA05776@s1.optonline.net> just got the new ida record (over a month early... ida fans, wonder how...) ... it's gorgeous! i just want to tell everyone that this is gorgeous, wow, i love it. and the magnetic fields "holiday" is terrific, too. how come no one is commenting on the geometrid? for instance, there's far less spoken word here, which is not good, but far more lovely singing, which is great. "flipside" and "bug rain" and "these things" are wonderful. oh, and i'm sure this has been mentioned before, but did anyone notice that the belles own the third greatest moment in rock and roll? http://www.nme.com/rock100/rock3.html ... right below dylan going electric and kurt cobain dying... not sure if it's warrented, but hey... don't knock the press. - adam aconover at optonline.net Tempus Fugit is at: http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~conover/tempus/main.html +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From spacegirldream3 at xxx.com Thu Jun 1 05:38:06 2000 From: spacegirldream3 at xxx.com (space girl) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 00:38:06 EDT Subject: Sinister: fyhcywlap review in jane Message-ID: <20000601043807.77116.qmail@hotmail.com> Belle and Sebastian IT's cool when a band knows that they're so good, they can dare people to like them. Case in point: Glaswegian popsters Belle and Sebastian. (1) Frontman Stuart Murdoch has never done an interview. (2)He grants his inferior sidepeople a couple of awful tracks per CD (see "Beyond the Sunrise" here). (3) He's usually as wispy as a drooled-on zwieback forgotten under a high chair. You'll gladly suffer, though, because the reward is so great. Belle and Sebastian's songs are diary pages from an asthmatic camper who spent the summer with a magnifying glass and a broken heart. Whether Stuar's glumly posing as a date-raped student in "The Chalet LInes", parodying his wimpy image on "NIce Day for a Sulk," or trading versus with bandmate Isobel Campbell on the piano-and string-driven, "Don't Go Breaking My Hear" update "Women's Realm," he's always brilliant. 4 out of 4 or "sweet!" -Jedd Johnson ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sophiesea at xxx.com Thu Jun 1 01:47:39 2000 From: sophiesea at xxx.com (sophie harris) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 00:47:39 GMT Subject: Sinister: picnic on brighton beach - yay! - 17th? Message-ID: <20000601004739.27152.qmail@hotmail.com> hello chickabees just a little one, to let y'all know that myself and some lovelies will be having a sunny/maybe rainy picnic on the beach on the 17th (we think) which should be quite splendid - lunchboxes, weak lemon drink and the like - also snowpatrol are at gemini's in the evenink, so all in all, a nice seaside caper - thoughts/dates/places? love and kisses and best strawberry jam xsophie ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Thu Jun 1 13:19:55 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:19:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: There's no doubt that Murdoch is unusually handsome Message-ID: <802568F1.0044C55E.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Here's the Guardian review of the new album. Completely spot on, to my mind. And, heaven's above, it actually reviews the album and not the band's press profile. Whatever next? Underneath that is a piece from the Independent On Sunday. Ooooh - Nicholas Barber 4 Stuart Murdoch. What do you think of his contention that Isobel could be the next Britney is she was so inclined? I have my doubts, but now the BMA have got involved, who knows? >From Mick's interview: >B&S is sometimes called the biggest swindle of the 90's. The last band to get that >treatment was the La's ... Do you feel honoured ? What? He's making it up! Has anyone here ever heard them them described as the 'biggest swindle of the 90s'? Is the interviewer mixing up Belle & Sebastian and the Mirror Group pension fund? Those crazy French! Or has it lost something in translation? >Is it because we're considered to be doing nothing new? I'd go along with that. >We never try particularly hard to do something new. Very few bands that try that sound good. I find this a bit depressing. Maybe Mick interprets 'new' more narrowly than I do. If I didn't think the band were doing anything new I wouldn't be that bothered about them. Musically, OK the ingredients have been used before, but it's an interesting enough... cake. And lyrically, I think Stuart is utterly unique. But I've said all this before. Here's that review then. Mind Your Own Business Belle and Sebastian have many strengths ? if only they'd play to them, says Maddy Costa Belle and Sebastian Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like a Peasant (Jeepster) *** When it comes to pop, there are singers, guitarists, and the other, somehow anonymous musicians who make a song sound brilliant even though you've no idea what they're doing. People don't care about drummers, and generally would need to be directed by neon signs before they could pick out a bassline. It's precisely this tendency that Belle and Sebastian strive against. When they won their best newcomer Brit award in 1998, it was drummer Richard Colburn and trumpeter Mick Cooke who went on stage to collect the gong. Singer Stuart Murdoch might write the songs, but it was bassist Stuart David (recently departed to concentrate on his own band, Looper) who last year published a novel, Nalda Said. Democracy has long been Belle and Sebastian's guiding principle; the trouble is, this isn't a good thing. Their last album, 1998's The Boy with the Arab Strap, was the first to feature songs not written by Murdoch, and it was significantly weaker than its startling predecessor, If You're Feeling Sinister. While Murdoch's title track mused on the silent burden carried by "The Asian man with his love/hate affair with his racist clientele", guitarist Stevie Jackson's Chickfactor pondered, more pleasantly than thought-provokingly, over the strangeness of being interviewed by a fanzine writer. A similar disparity characterises Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like a Peasant (surreally, Murdoch once saw the words scrawled on a toilet door). It's not that the songs not written by Murdoch are bad - far from it. Jackson's The Wrong Girl is a dreamy but dynamic pop song, whose catchy lyrics make it the album's most immediately memorable song. Beyond the Sunrise may be the best song cellist Isobel Campbell (who also fronts the limpid Gentle Waves) has yet written: a Hazlewood/Sinatra-style duet with the burnished richness of western movies, it is unlike anything else Belle and Sebastian have produced. That doesn't mean it's unlike anything that anyone else is producing, however: Arizona's Calexico recently released their second album of spaghetti western music; meanwhile, the charts are clogged with songs about loving the wrong people. That's the problem: of the octet, only Murdoch's writing is extraordinary. Who else currently is writing couplets like "Lisa learned a lot from putting on a blindfold when she knew she had been bad / She met another blind kid at a fancy dress, it was the best sex that she ever had"? That song, The Model, is Belle and Sebastian at their most euphoric, Murdoch's tongue-in-cheek vocals skipping over a jaunty rhythm and strings as thrilling as the sight of 3,000 balloons rising into the sky. Murdoch is renowned for his character studies of unhappy schoolgirls: debut album Tigermilk was reeling with them. But that's no preparation for The Chalet Lines, a subdued piano ballad written from the perspective of a girl who has been raped. Its simplicity is searing; the only jarring thing about it is that it's followed by a rinkydink song called Nice Day for a Sulk. The latter is a deliciously teasing answer to Belle and Sebastian's detractors, who dismiss them as mimsy moppets, but the juxtaposition is a mistake. When they concentrate on their strengths, this is an incomparable group of people. Campbell and violinist Sarah Martin's strings are increasingly wonderful; Chris Geddes grows more inventive with his use of keyboards (he brings a sultry soulfulness to Don't Leave the Lights on, Baby); just two notes from Cooke on trumpet can transform a song. In turn, the writing should be left to Murdoch. It might not be democratic, but it would mean that Belle and Sebastian's albums would be exceptional again, instead of good with flashes of breathtaking greatness. Independent on Sunday 28 May 2000 Music: Whatever you want to know - they're not telling: Reluctant indie stars Belle And Sebastian giving a press conference? Nicholas Barber can hardly believe his ears: Something weird is going on here. A gold invitation arrives in the post. You take it to a club just off Piccadilly Circus. Inside, you're met by a woman carrying a tray of complimentary beers. Funk is playing over the PA. Purple velvet curtains cover the walls. Journalists lounge on settees. A tripod mounted film camera points at a podium. And on the podium there is a long table lined with microphones, beer bottles and glasses of water. It looks for all the world like a pop group's press conference. And that's what it is. The weird part is that the pop group in question is Belle And Sebastian, and if these Glaswegians are famous for anything, it's for not wanting to be famous. They turned down support slots on tours with Radiohead, Pulp and Suede and turned down Cameron Diaz's request to write a song for one of her films. Their leader, Stuart Murdoch, refuses to do interviews. And no such thing as a conventional band photo exists. If they're feeling co-operative they'll send the press an artfully shot picture of two or three members, probably in disguise. If they're feeling less co operative the photos will feature a random selection of their friends instead. But the people who have managed to discover Belle And Sebastian adore them. The group's impeccably arranged, dreamy music and piquant, personal lyrics inspire the same devotion as The Smiths' did in the 1980s. Their fans are obsessive, in a civil sort of way, and organise regular picnics and conventions. And the word is spreading. In 1998 Belle And Sebastian's third album reached number 12 in the charts and in 1999 the band beat Steps to the Best Newcomer Brit Award. They sent only two of their eight members to attend the ceremony. Belle And Sebastian's fourth album, Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like a Peasant, won't be in the shops until June. And yet, in the first week of May, advance copies had already been mailed to the Press, along with invitations to a question-and-answer session. Even on the way to this event I wondered if it was a hoax. But at 5.30 sharp, Belle And Sebastian trooped onto the podium and took their seats. All seven of them are present (the bassist, Stuart David, has just left the band), including the enigmatic Stuart Murdoch. What's more, they're willing to discuss everything from the new album title (graffiti spotted on a toilet cubicle door, apparently) to the time Murdoch dressed in leopard-print trousers in homage to Rod Stewart. So what about the fabled shyness? Has it occurred to them, I ask, that their refusal to adopt the conventional marketing strategies of a corporate pop group has worked as a kind of marketing strategy itself? "It's just frustrating when that overshadows the music," says Chris Geddes, the pianist. "When that's what people talk about in relation to the band. I'm not pleased that that's what we're known for." "It's just the way it's worked," adds Richard Colburn, the drummer. "It's not deliberate. Fortunately or unfortunately that's the way it's gone." Murdoch speaks up. "Sorry, what's your name again?" he asks, looking me in the eye. And then, having established who he's talking to, answers the question. "It's safe to say, I don't think about it all," he says. What is most remarkable about the press conference is how quickly Murdoch emerges as the leader. Often, he'll let the others talk for a while before delivering a definitive, sardonic answer, always making eye contact with the person who asks the question. It's difficult to reconcile someone so charismatic and candid with the image of a semi-recluse who never does interviews. "I did a few right at the start," he objects. "I just didn't really enjoy them too much. Talking about yourself is. . . you've got to be wary of that sort of stuff. But I think also we've all been frustrated by talking openly and truthfully to people and then what we've said being misinterpreted and put out of context. And the only answer is, simply, not to do interviews. And it's easy. You just don't do them. It's fine." Belle And Sebastian aren't quite so arcane after all. They are just that rarest of beasts in the pop industry: a band who prefer to go about things in their own way. "We're not particularly awkward," says Isobel Campbell, the giggling, sweetly nervous cellist. "We're just not puppets. There's a huge difference." The group started life in 1996 when Richard Colburn was studying music business administration at Glasgow's Stow College, and a course project required the students to produce 1000 copies of a single. Colburn brought in a demo made by his friends, the two Stuarts. The students were so impressed that they manufactured a whole album: a thousand vinyl copies of Belle And Sebastian's debut, Tigermilk, were duly pressed. Before it was re- released on CD last year, those original pressings had been changing hands for up to pounds 300 each. The band came into being, then, as "a college experiment". There was never any plan to conquer the world, let alone to win a Brit. Now that stardom is forcing its attentions on Belle And Sebastian, they're determined to move at their own pace - an attitude which seems all the more admirable when you see how easily they could have played the pop star game. I'd probably advise against the short-sleeve shirt and tartan tie combination, but there's no doubt that Murdoch is unusually handsome, with a jawline and cheekbones which many more publicity-hungry wannabes would swap their guitars for. Isobel Campbell, too, with her blonde pony tail, sparkling eyes and radiant smile, could replace Britney Spears on a few teenagers' walls if she were so inclined. She isn't. On the other hand, Belle and Sebastian aren't completely afraid of fame. Several of their seemingly perverse decisions - such as the meagre turn- out at the Brits - were actually motivated by practicalities and economics. The resolution not to support some big name bands on tour is another example. "Just logistics, actually," says Colburn. "Quite a lot of the times it happened it was overseas, so it just cost too much to do it. It was nothing to do with the bands in question. It just wasn't possible financially." Campbell offers her own point of view. "You know, it's just like, you don't. . . we're rushed off. . . we don't get. . . our soundchecks are, you know, legendary. There's a lot of things to do, we don't have samples or that. So our concerts would be. . . even worse. But I don't know, I can only talk for myself, but we were never into courting too much stuff anyway, so. . . I suppose if someone we loved asked us we might do it." So there you have it. Belle And Sebastian really are trying to communicate with the public. But in the end, it might be better if they let their music do the talking. 'Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant' is released on Jeepster Recordings on 5 June The Independent on Sunday Features Copyright (C) Newspaper Publishing Plc, 1988-1997 on. All rights reserved. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lucy.alder at xxx.uk Thu Jun 1 14:22:33 2000 From: lucy.alder at xxx.uk (Alder, Lucy) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:22:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Faggy but nice Message-ID: <1EC8C16BC185D311ACB90008C7C563F33535F6@gblon1c3ex1.wcom.co.uk> Hello you glorious little specimens of humanity I HATE MY JOB BIT Yesterday, on the way home, this woman I work with said "I do like your shoes Lucy. Weren't they in fashion two or three seasons ago?" They're just black ballet shoes with little bows on them and I don't give a toss if they're fashionable or not because I like them. Grrr! And this, too, from the office fashion doyenne, in her navy sandals with sensible heels and thick straps. GRRRRR! WEEKEND BIT Having recently undergone the rigours of a splendidly ROCK picnic, I decided to spend last weekend quietly at my Mum and Dad's house. However, no sooner did I step through the front door, than the parents announced that we'd be going for a nice walk in the countryside. I looked down at my skirt and pristine trainers and grimaced but, not wanting to cause offence, agreed to go along. Bad idea. After an hour and a half of hacking across cow pat spattered fields, picking my way down sheltered (and therefore not exposed to the sun and therefore VERY MUDDY) pathways, and negotiating splintering stiles and rusty kissing gates somewhere in the middle of the wilderness we like to call Surrey, I was in a bit of a state and so were my Stan Smiths. Dad was very chivalrous and beat back the stinging nettles with a big stick and Mum rewarded me with a hug slab of sponge cake in the tea shop, but I was still pretty pathetic. Much as I'd love to be a rosy cheeked lass, dressed in florals and fearless of cattle, I can only conclude that I'm a complete townie. Not in the Kappa/Reebok Classics sense though. Obviously. PROPS BIT I'd like to thank Calumn for giving me the biggest laugh I've had in ages. I thought I took an unflattering photograph, but some of his pictures outshine mine by miles and miles. Every photo ever taken of me is rotten so I can't really talk, but my nomination for Mr Photogenic 2000 goes to poor Carsmile Steve, who deserves particular recognition for his outstanding dance moves up on the stage - funky! I'm not making up any captions though, because they'll be shite and unfunny. I've just collected my own pictures from Boots, so watch out all those of you I caught trying on items from a lady's wardrobe and/or wearing blood red nail varnish. And especially watch out if you hung a Hello Kitty nightie from your ears, you fool. PICNIC BIT Scots! Lock up your vodka! I've got the afternoon off work next Friday and it's looking increasingly likely that I'll be heading norf of the border just in time for the Edinburgh picnic. You have been warned. So, Isobel could be the new Britney, eh? I wonder if she wore a PVC catsuit to record Top of the Pops. Juicy Lucy -- This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Thu Jun 1 15:02:15 2000 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 15:02:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: you dont have to watch dynasty to have an attitude Message-ID: <01BFCBDA.60CB2BA0.p.cullen@music-control.com> hola! that review thing nick sent in, yeah? well, where it described la campbell as: "the giggling, sweetly nervous cellist". i read: "the giggling, sweaty, nervous cellist". no really, i did. im not just being nasty. (moi?) after a marathon 10 hour Bouzeathon yesterday (incorporating a tacky "NITE" club with The Townies - AKA My New Bessie Mates) we were walking (see also: stumbling) around town trying to get a taxi. i was doing a quite passable "Thats Amore!" for the benefit of my friends when we bumped into these american blokes. they said they were here on their "vacation" and they were from Michigan, to which i replied "oooh, i've got a yellow jumper with Michigan written on it!" (americans dont say "jumper" though, do they? they say "sweater" or something silly like that. isobel must have been wearing one of those when she encountered that pesky reporter...) i think they must have thought i was breeding yellow showhorses and cruelly branding their arses with "MICHIGAN" or something, cos they were looking at me like i had two heads. there's also the possibility that they couldn't unnerssshhhhtand what i was shhhhaaayinggg, of course. anyway, where is this going? oh yeah. they said they were going to see pearl jam tonight and asked were we going (like, *wild horses* couldn't stop me....). so we started talking about music. i asked them did they know B&S. they didn't. oh well. i see there is a picnic in Dublin this weekend. hmmm, i wonder how many will show up for that. the last time we tried to organise a meetup here, 4 people showed up. thats 4, *including* me. i spent the whole night talking to myself as i was the most interesting person there. and thats a Bad Sign. i apologise if this mail sucks filthy plums. but there you go. Paula C, Bouze E. (c. carsmile, 2000) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nik_ovenden at xxx.com Thu Jun 1 15:03:38 2000 From: nik_ovenden at xxx.com (Nik Ovenden) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 07:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: a rider to yesterday's post... Message-ID: <20000601140338.27258.qmail@web2101.mail.yahoo.com> Dearest Sinistereenies, Sorry for my post yesterday...i was a suffering from 'Lost Soul Syndrome', that feeling of detatchment and no purpose. Anyway, i feel better now; my tigermilk lp will be with me by monday (yippee! Tigermilk parties...) and tis now the month of june, filled with exams (yuk), friends birthdays, my birthday, Snow Patrol/Alfie gig (19th June!!!) and Pilton!!! The post office was fully operational today...i didn't mention anything cos i'd look like a twat after calling the bobbies...they never called back neither... I made pancakes this morning..unhealthy (plus unhealthier with raspberry icecream!) and am making fajitas for lunch and penne for dinner. sorry for that, my menu isn't interesting to you... Snow patrol question - what is the name of the secret track? it's lovely...Snow patrol are such a good band, their songs are uplifting, but they have this underlying despair...like you can make a perfect pancake, but it's useless if it's not eaten...wierd analogy... Sorry for that, in short that was an apology for yesterday's post. Oops, Niko xxx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.org Thu Jun 1 16:37:09 2000 From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:37:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: diary (fwd) Message-ID: More of the band's online diary below, this time from Chris. UK residents don't forget the band's appearance on TOTP tomorrow night at 7:30. They're probably recording it... right now. Honey x *** Diary of a Band 26/05/00 This is a strange time for the group. Obviously there's a lot going on with the single coming out, and the possibility of our biggest hit, and maybe being on TV and stuff. But we've not all been together for weeks. I'm sure the last time we were all in the same room was at the press conference down in London, and before that for the video, but as to when we last were doing any music I honestly can't remember. It's frustrating especially because last week myself and Andrew Divine were working on Landslide, a song of Isobel's that Evie Sands sang when she was here last year. Listening to the track which was recorded quite a while ago really made it apparent how much we'd improved over the course of working on the record. It's a shame not to be able to carry straight on. No doubt a few of you will have seen the NME feature last week. It is a strange situation where a music journalist who doesn't like our music attacks us, and Stuart in particular for not being vocal enough about our politics, which he seems to sympathise with. Anyway I thought Stuart came out of it okay. Anyone who pays any attention to what is happening in the world is bound to come to the conclusion that things need to change in some fundamental way if life for the majority of people is ever going to be better, but do people really need an indie band to tell them this? If you feel like a dose of reality read the book No Logo, an indictment of todays global lifestyle brands. I'd hoped to be able to tie things up in some neat way since this is the last one, but since most of you are probably away for the summer anyway it doesn't really matter. I guess the album will sum up the last year for us better than anything I could say here. So I'll just give a quick plug for my clubs - Tuesdays at Yang and Fridays at the Brewery Tap - and wish everyone a good summer. Chris Geddes +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mbethy at xxx.net Thu Jun 1 18:22:54 2000 From: mbethy at xxx.net (mbethy) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: god bless the aphorism Message-ID: <20000601172255.1E69FB09D@sitemail.everyone.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From lixibell at xxx.com Thu Jun 1 18:57:35 2000 From: lixibell at xxx.com (alix campbell) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 17:57:35 GMT Subject: Sinister: i really want to try trepanation Message-ID: <20000601175735.54836.qmail@hotmail.com> hello spaniels oh, so i haven't written in a while, and you could probably do me for neglect, but i'm going to blame it on my childhood, so NAH. luckily, i seem to use the computer mostly on my lunch hour, so this will be short. unless i increase my WPM. or change the entire concept of time. or go back late for lunch. i'd like to say thankyou to ooon for my birthday presssie, it is very good, and you're lovely. (mad) starry (eyes) sarah gave me a great present too. all i can say is 'leg in the air'. i skanked a freshly pasted fishyclaps poster the night gone. i carried it home on the bus glue and all. it looks ok though. wood green is a strange strange place. the charity shop has some of the worst white elephantitus ever, and for absurd prices. the records consist of a LOT of nana moussaka, or whatever she's called, and far too many 'we've got a fuzzbox and we're gonna use it' records. i bought one. purchasing odd records amuses me. well, can't think of anything topical to say. i was in our price today, and i felt an odd urge to lick the copies of Legal man. incidentally, legal man should have been called EAGLE SPAM (it's spam, but for eagles). this would have scared that awful teeny bopper crowd, and instead got the birds of prey enthusiasts and eagles themselves to buy the record. maybe they should have aimed it at a more common bird, maybe pigeons. pigeon spam, it would have been a no.1. sorry bye lixi.x ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From james.glossop at xxx.com Thu Jun 1 21:15:41 2000 From: james.glossop at xxx.com (James Glossop) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:15:41 +0100 (GMT/BST) Subject: Sinister: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:11:30 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01bfcc06$46c5c720$4120073e@glossop> hi kids well. simultaneous equations are mighty interesting, you don't agree? just wanted to report a (very vague) b&s moment to y'all...... so i've spent the past week revising a bit and have designated the evenings as internet time; work gets no-where near my room after six, but the internet, in all it's vastness and entiriety, had little to offer after an hour and a half, so at half eight i decided to go on a little walk around the estate. i can't cope with silence very well, so i picked a cd from my collection. it happen to be bwtas, so i walk out of the house and head west to the green part of my estate, where i can see lots of trees and the sunset and a little house on the horizon. i could probably download this type of image, but it's not the same, y'know? so i stroll away, trying best to make sure i don't step in time with the music, it makes me feel uncomfortable, even if the beat did happen to be the same, i'd slow down or speed up. i don't want to create this microcosmic richard ashcroft thing, it freaks me out. i'll get to the point, i pass this guy who i recognise. about a year or two ago he head-butted me because my friend flagged him. my friends stood bemused as this guy (who is about 25, when i was 14) speedily parked next to us, i stopped to be courteous and he gets out of his sports car, comes up to me, says "got summat to say?" i say "no" and he head-butts me square in the face before forcing me to apolgise to his friend in the car. totally humiliating, he speeds off, laughing no-doubt, and i mumble under my breath the names of some hard-kids who wouldn't beat someone up for me if i paid them, but it helped me think i was going to get my revenge. anyway, i walk past this guy, who's cycling round-and-round in circles in the middle of the (quiet suburban, mind) road. i release that isobell campbell and stuart murdoch are singing angelically in my ears to a background of brass instruments. now, i don't have in-ear headphones, so the whole street can probably hear it. i don't want to look like i'm too intimidated, so i keep the volume as it is (max) and continue walking, shitting myself inside and praying that he doesn't come to taunt me about the fact that the shit i'm listening to isn't fast enough. i get away in the end, i look sideways, to catch a mere glimpse and see him persistently going round-and-round-and-round-and-round-and-round in the middle of the road. bizarre. i walk on, reaching the highest point in the estate, with a nice view of the surrounding at-least-2-miles and realise that all i want to do to this guy is not shoot him, maim him or re-arrange his facial features with a bottle, i just want to apologise to him for something, which is weird, cos i hadn't done anything wrong to him, it was my dumbass of a friend that flagged him when his dance music was to loud in his car. i just wanted to hug the guy. which is all very twee. (or sad, depending on the way you look at it). stop it, you're killing me........... love your mail-order host, -JiM- xx PS: tee-shirt idea for the masterminds behind camden market and similar individual clothing stores: "i fucked it all up, but, hey, i'm happy". central, in a nice-n-plain font. in a really it's-so-tight-i'm-unsure-about-his-sexuality fabric. green, white, or maybe pale blue. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sophie at xxx.uk Thu Jun 1 21:40:57 2000 From: sophie at xxx.uk (sophie watkinson) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:40:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: but struan DID look cute on the cover of the NME and who ARE the smiths anyway? Message-ID: *SHEFFIELD/NOTTINGHAM just looked through calumn's pics of the picnic and 2000TT etc which made me even more jealous cos i wasn't able to attend, which makes me even more determined when i say YES YES YES to Katy; you must do a picnic in sheffield or nottingham {i just typed [k]nittingham by accident, tee hee} becasue then my exams will be over and ill be able to come. *NET COMMUNITY* after that nme piece...no don't delete......even my friends started calling me names for being on sinister. one of my best mates stuck swell's quotes all over her room, even though shes a b&s fan herself, and made sure everyone knew how 'sad' and 'geeky' i am for going on mailing lists etc. looks like i need to find some new friends huh? so yes, caroline, i agree with you. although shame is a bad thing, im sometimes embarrassed to admit to commiting such sins as going on chat room (*gasp*) and subscribing to mailing list (*scream*). but whoever it was that wrote it (sorry, can't remember) you're right. its not a substitute for friends: ive got a few of them in the flesh. although many of my net friends are REAL friends. it's just so much easier to talk to someone with the same interest on the internet: search "belle and sebastian" and stumble across 1300 fans who *want to talk*. can't be bad. if i wrote a poster in the 6th form saying: female, 17, shy, likes...blah blah blah i don't think i'd get much of a response, and the truth is that if you're shy then it can be hard to make friends face to face. *GLASTONBURY* somebody mentioned ages ago something about a sinister meet at GLASTONBURY. can somebody plz email me with details of this? or how i can find out. *NEWCASTLE/LEEDS* is there anybody in the leeds area that would like to mail me? ive got a whole summer to waste becasue as of NEXT WEEK i am no longer at school, and haven't yet started uni. so, it could be therefore suggested that i am FREE. whoopeedee. anyway, it would be nice to have someone to waste it with, rather than being compelled to spend it in front of a computer screen being the sad little geek that i am! plus, is anybody at newcastle uni cos im going next year and it would be really nice to have someone already there as a contact. although ive vowed to myself that as of next year its no more mr shy guy (or mrs shy gal), i know its gonna be hard for me to talk to absolute strangers. love and teeny bops sophie xxxx and they went teeny bop teeny bop all the way home. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com Thu Jun 1 11:00:38 2000 From: jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com (Harry Hunt) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:00:38 +1200 Subject: Sinister: but struan DID look cute on the cover of the NME and who ARE the smiths anyway? References: Message-ID: <20000601210913.39340.qmail@hotmail.com> > *NET COMMUNITY* > after that nme piece...no don't delete......even my friends started > calling me names for being on sinister. one of my best mates stuck > swell's quotes all over her room, even though shes a b&s fan herself, > and made sure everyone knew how 'sad' and 'geeky' i am for going on > mailing lists etc. looks like i need to find some new friends huh? > so yes, caroline, i agree with you. although shame is a bad thing, im > sometimes embarrassed to admit to commiting such sins as going on chat > room (*gasp*) and subscribing to mailing list (*scream*). > > but whoever it was that wrote it (sorry, can't remember) you're right. > its not a substitute for friends: ive got a few of them in the flesh. > although many of my net friends are REAL friends. it's just so much > easier to talk to someone with the same interest on the internet: search > "belle and sebastian" and stumble across 1300 fans who *want to talk*. > can't be bad. if i wrote a poster in the 6th form saying: female, 17, > shy, likes...blah blah blah i don't think i'd get much of a response, > and the truth is that if you're shy then it can be hard to make friends > face to face. It was me. When I said it's no substitute for friends, I wasn't knocking the net and all its uses, or in any way pleading for some jaded folks to see some inexistent light. Simple fact is there's no shame in any harmless pursuit, and it's FAR easier to find people like you on the net, as opposed to people who you can adapt to. It's the perfect answer for many ghost towners. Just wanted to point out that I'm no snob, or owt. I think. I see merit in the net, lists, chatrooms etc, and ABSOLUTELY no harm in any of the above, and it irks me when people pity or berate those who use the net for any reason at all. I mean, if someone wants to use a webcam to film his...social skills for a seaboard of sex starved middle-ageds, there's NO harm in it. It's the desire of a human being, and because it's not the more socially acceptable alternative, doesn't make it any less valid as a form of self expression, and I don't think I'm piling it on too thick here, so I can't be. That is all. Love Harry +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mattwardfhnn at xxx.com> Thu Jun 1 22:56:41 2000 From: mattwardfhnn at xxx.com> (mattwardfhnn at xxx.com>) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 16:56:41 -0500 Subject: Sinister: A quick thanks In-Reply-To: <200006011536.QAA21933@missprint.org> Message-ID: I received my Nick Drake boxed set today; I just listened to "Pink Moon" and it is incredible. Horribly depressing, but wonderfully beautiful. Anyway, just wanted to thank those of you who pointed me to him a few months ago, as you can see, I finally got around to it. Incredible. Thanks, Ward +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MerCol1213 at xxx.com Fri Jun 2 02:24:09 2000 From: MerCol1213 at xxx.com (MerCol1213 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 21:24:09 EDT Subject: Sinister: Another hatchling from the nursery Message-ID: Dear Sinister boys and girls, I just received my voice, and i actually have some relevant belle and sebastian thoughts to share. I am a 17 yr old girl from the philadelphia 'burbs and have loved b&s for the past year or so. Anyways, i was listening to the radio here, wxpn(the only interesting station) and they had the band ween on rating new songs. To my joy they played Legal Man and i finally got to hear it. I liked it a lot, but the radio people didn't. The two guys from ween gave it a 1 and 3 out of 5, because they said it was too "contrived" etc. and that it didn't belong in the 21st Century and was not new or special at all. What dweebs!!! I bet they would fit in well with Stephen Wells :( Mariah +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Cjmonty at xxx.com Fri Jun 2 04:29:38 2000 From: Cjmonty at xxx.com (Cjmonty at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 23:29:38 EDT Subject: Sinister: James Dean Driving School Message-ID: <98.5ba936b.26688422@aol.com> 'lo all, my first post, and, well, ill just get to the heart of it Vicki- James Dean Driving Experience i bought a compilation from el records a few months ago that has "Sean Connery" from JDDE on it. The one song sounds pretty good, hmm cant think of an example... maybe "Smiths-ish"? No not even, sort of catchy though, and by far the best on the album. Please, DO NOT buy an el record w/o hearing it first, b/c the rest of the tracks on the comp "Bellissimo!" are horrid and terrible and all around unpleasant (the Would-Be-Goods and the Kings of Luxembourg are particularly distressing to experience). I dropped 18 on this import cd on blind faith and the thought of it still makes me cringe. oh well, not to be too judgemental or anything, it is a b-sides album... sorry enough drivel, modernlove i put "Precise Modern Lovers Order" back in my CD carry case and have again fallen in love. Very rough, varying recording quality, but one of the best live albums ever. b&s the other day was hot, humid and just nasty here in Wash DC, but Stars of Track n Field led me to this image of running really fast and productively, which made my own sweat and discomfort a bit more bearable. yes, yes im sorry this is a weak, barely B&S-related email, but i wanted to reply about the JDDE take care all Colin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kgtvb at xxx.com Fri Jun 2 06:57:06 2000 From: kgtvb at xxx.com (kg) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: hooray for nice! Message-ID: <20000602055706.10767.qmail@web3701.mail.yahoo.com> dearest sinisters, i just want to tell you all about good people and the things they do... the boy responsible for introducing me to the music of belle and sebastian just did the nicest thing for me since, well, since introducing me to belle and sebastian! hooray! so yeah, his name is ryan and he is a dear friend of mine. he is also a dj at the local college radio station and he does a show every thursday night called "Best of the Brits".. and it is ever so lovely. anyhow.. i mentioned in my last post that i am moving away from here and going to portland, oregon. so tonight, he did a *special goodbye to kim show* for me to record and have to listen to when i'm driving all 3,000 miles away in the big truck and all i can find on the radio is crap country music stations (and believe me, the selection of radio stations on the road gets VERY scary--especially in middle america!). so as if having a whole radio show just for me wasn't nice enough... he played multiple tracks from FYHCYWLAP!!! hooooraaaay!!! i know eveyone's putting their 2 cents in about said album... so i'll just put half a cent in and merely say it's lovely. of course it's lovely! it's belle and sebastian! in case any of you might be interested in having a listen to "best of the brits" (guaranteed good music!) you can listen via: www.live365.com and search for wxci. it's on every thursday night from 9pm-12am eastern standard time. i know that's quite early for all of you overseas... but it's worth a listen anyway! ok, i just thought i'd share that with you cos it's always nice when people make you feel special. :) nice is nice. <3,kg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Fri Jun 2 08:44:14 2000 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 00:44:14 PDT Subject: Sinister: Seremoniamestari talossa, handut ilmaan! Message-ID: <20000602074414.41392.qmail@hotmail.com> A beer for me, please. What, you don't have any? What do you mean this is a crackhouse? 'Allo, as they say in France.* POLLS POLLS POLLS! I'd forgotten about my silly little B&S- poll at http://www.bspoll.freeservers.com ... But here are the results if you haven't checked them out already. The question was, simply: Belle and Sebastian: What do YOU think? - 4% of you thought they were "corporate cock-suckers". So I quess you didn't like that extended Judy Is A Dick Slap- on the 12-inch vinyl, eh? You just HAD to buy it. - 9% of you thought that "Success has gone into their heads." Ah, I see you read NME quite a lot. Well I like Wells' writing too, but not that much. But he had a point. - 6% of you thought they are "Too popular these days." Oh god. You think you're so cool, don't you? -13% of you thought that "Korn rulez!" Bunch of freaks, you are. YEAAAARRGGHHHHH!!!!!! - And finally, 70% of you thought: "I prefer the old stuff, so I must be cool." I think you had a real problem deciding between "Too popular these days" and this one, eh? Don't get me wrong, I would've chosen this one too. But I've always found it funny when people think of the good old days, when music was still music and men had decent haircuts. And B&S still made music for the sake of music, instead of just trying to get a good chartposition (Legal man, anyone?) HELL-SINKI MEET UP 17 people showed up. I made some cool looking flyers but never got the nerve to pass them around. But the day before the meet up (in Koff Park, which apparently is just like Primrose Hill) me& Maria (that sexy little devil) went to see this band and saw some friends there and invited them to come along too. I had "Fold your hands etc" promotape with me and we listened to that a few times. It was nice there, the sun was shining and some bums came up to us and asked for some fags. Oh how I wish I'd have the nerve and the muscle to tell them to fuck off and buy their own fags. Just this morning this smelly sad thing came up to me while I was waiting for my tram and asked me for a fag. I told him I didn't have one, I only had two left. "Give me a fucking fag or I'll take your pack and beat the shit out of you!" the man said. Oh hell, this means trouble, I thought. "Ok, chill out." And I gave him one. And he took the cig and fucked off. Taking pills and drinking yourself to death is fun!** @---->---- Jace le PetitE * I think they say that but I'm not sure. I love it when people who've never understood a word of french use some french phrases just that they can pretend they're intellectual. **All drunks aren't like that. But whenever stuff like this happens to me, it makes me wish our welfare wouldn't hand out easy money for these sorry little sods.*** ***And don't call me a horrible person. Tomorrow I wont even remember the incident and I'll take back everything I said. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From buron at xxx.com Fri Jun 2 10:13:48 2000 From: buron at xxx.com (St=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=phane Buron) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 11:13:48 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Murdoch is unusually handsome Message-ID: <200006020907.LAA15837@front4m.grolier.fr> Salut ! I'm not trying to pretend i'm an intellectual because i speak french, you know (cf jarkko's post). i'm french, that's all. well, nick asked a good question in his last post. he gave us interesting articles to read, too, which is cool. Thanks, nick. The same Nick also wrote : >>B&S is sometimes called the biggest swindle of the 90's. The last band to get > that >>treatment was the La's ... Do you feel honoured ? > > What? He's making it up! Has anyone here ever heard them them described as the > 'biggest swindle of the 90s'? Is the interviewer mixing up Belle & Sebastian > and the Mirror Group pension fund? Those crazy French! Or has it lost > something in translation? hum, i'm not sure, maybe "swindle" sounds weird to your english ears... but that's the way a french "journalist" used to describe b&s success a few months ago : he thinks b&s are not only *influenced* by the bands of the past like Love, Felt or the Velvet ; they have just *stolen* chords and melodies and tricks to become successful ; there's nothing original in them ; they haven't invented anything ; and the fact that they refuse to talk to journalist is a marketing strategy, you know. i think this journalist would like S. Wells. Maybe they're even friends. He's the kind of guy who writes, in each of his reviews, that "the new album of (insert any name here) is better than any record made by b&s". i've read this kind of "judgement" in 4 or 5 reviews, you know. i find it very funny. This guy likes Baxendale though. By the way, the baxendale album was released three weeks ago in France. can you believe it ? and it's excellent. you really should go and read the review by Alistair Fitchett on his Tangents site. i'm really jealous: i wish i could write like him. this text is fantastic, even more that the album reviewed. by the way, alistair, are you still alive on this list ? bien le bonjour chez vous Stéphane +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Fri Jun 2 11:05:12 2000 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 11:05:12 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: To start with, who's the hell are Belle and Sebastian? Message-ID: Today is the T-Day, isn't it?Everybody at 7.30 at home in front of the box, as in the old times.To be honest, in our house that normally happens every week,we live in 1989 permanently. Will Struan be wearing silver trousers? Will Isobel be welcomed on Saturday morning by tabloids' harassment concerning her fondness of furs?We should have made organised bets on which colours will be favoured in such 'magna ocasion',as with royal weddings (before 1989). For the ones fluent in Spanish (Mad*Starry*People,for instance) or anyone patient/obsessed enough to be translating with Babel, Spanish daily 'El Pais', in its Friday guide called 'El Pais de las Tentaciones'opens with an interview with our Media Man,that is, Richard.The web address is : http://www.tentaciones.elpais.es/T/D/20000602 Some interesting quotes from the article:'Are they just another gang of embittered self-sufficient ones,so abundant in Indieworld?Not really.But if we pay attention to the British musical press,those don't get worse than these'.Richard highlights that 'collectivity' is the key word in the band,that's why they would feel closer to Sly and the Family Stone than to the Smiths.If you want to connect this with The Guardian's review worries on songs not written by Murdoch, I am afraid that is not going to change in short-term.It is political this time, musical koljos.Do The Bluetones know what collectivization means? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From liisa00 at xxx.fi Fri Jun 2 14:06:55 2000 From: liisa00 at xxx.fi (Liisa Kallio) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 14:06:55 EET DST Subject: Sinister: me,b+s and seagulls Message-ID: <58717d485c55c5308f7fa6ef782c1fa0@iobox.fi> c�est moi again.first i was feeling a wee sad,cos i was hoping to receive this one mail, but then i thought about b+s and decided to take a chance and see if fyhcywlap would be in this record store and eeek :)there i saw this yellow angry twin cover! i grabbed it and paid for it and went to my fave park and sat on the park bench reading the lyrics. so imagine kids, here i am in southern lapland,in finland and you can find your b+s cds at the record stores, so it isn�t such a bad place after all!i�m feeling happier now:). it�s friday now and everybody knows what that means :)listening to fyhcywlap(and maybe watching �playing the field�:) and some nice vid) bye! love y�all hugs, me ps.m.l.pls write:)! WARNING!!!!WARNING!!!!b+s quote from fyhcywlap �i�ve been feeling down i�ve been looking around for someone just like me... i�ve been feeling blue and i don�t know what to do and i never get a thrill... i want poetry and music and some laughs and i don�t think it�s an awful lot to ask� �family tree� ps.pls don�t kill me for quoting this:)! ---- Soitto��net ja ikonit matkapuhelimeen! http://www.iobox.fi/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From coool_air at xxx.com Fri Jun 2 12:09:57 2000 From: coool_air at xxx.com (Claire Timmins) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 04:09:57 PDT Subject: Sinister: Cal's Crazy Caption Compo Message-ID: <20000602110957.63297.qmail@hotmail.com> aw man. why cant i get to see the photos. im sure there is one of me there but this poxy pooter seems to censor anything that would class as enjoyment. my spies tell me that they used pencil mics on TOTP and had wars with Tom Jones, he didnt like their 'style' he said. Paying homage to Shaky isnt bad style, just nice. Sorry kids but it aint live these days, they recorded it last night. sorry. congrats to nick dasterdlyoor for including PC's albums sooo cunningly in a previous mail. I was going to do that for someone in this mail but im too hungover to think right. Cant believe you idiots mention a sheffield picnic the day before I leave. cant you see it was destined for two weeks ago. sigh. edin. 10th june. whose going? mr c? Claire* >From: "Calumn Shearer" >Reply-To: "Calumn Shearer" >To: >Subject: Sinister: Cal's Crazy Caption Compo >Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:14:34 +0100 > >Hello! >Come in, Tea? Coffee? I've got some biscuits, if you like...beer? at this >time? OK, why not. > >I don't post that often, I'm sure you can forgive me. >I have been accused by someone who shall remain nameless(1) of only sending >mail to sinister when I'm giving stuff away, and he's right - so here >goes.... > >Cal's Crazy Caption Competition! > >I went to the Glasgow and London Picnics. > I took photo's (oh, oh! ) > >But, having scanned them in and put them up on the web, I think it'd be fun >to write "amusing" captions for said photos. But I'm crap and "unfunny". > > This is where you lot come in. > >Check out the photos on http://www.btinternet.com/~calumn and send me your >wit and wisdom. Simple, huh? > >I'll stick your caption up above the picture, and credit the author(2). > >After a suitable amount of time (end of June should do it.), I'll declare a >WINNER!, send them a grand (3) prize (2) and take them out for a drink when >I see them(5) > >You don't need to have gone to the Picnics, you don't need to know the >people in the photos (god knows, I don't know who some of them are!) - just >be witty! > >Thanks, > > Calumn >PS - Can I have a dose of whatever literary bug has infected pinefox? > 15. Charts. Grate! Hope B&S mime terribly on TOTP - that'll draw the >teeny-bop crowd ;-) > oh, please remember to tell me which picture(s) your caption(s) is(are) >for. cos' I might not get the joke. > > >1) gay, Glasgow, football, sings-like-a-girl and nail varnish should help >2) if you would rather remain "anonymous" to escape the wrath of your >friends/flatmates, that can be arranged - just let me know >3) Grand (adj) of highest rank; magnificent; very good; very fine... not, >like, a thousand pounds/dollars/whatever. sorry. >4) I'm not sure what the prize will be, but I've got an E N O R M O U S >promo poster for the new album and a can of Chris "Beenz" Geddes, which is >a >start. I'll have blagged some more B&S related shenanigans by the time the >competition's over. >5) This may be some time, depending where you live and all that, but I'll >do it. see if I don't > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ > +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ > +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ > +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From doxastak at xxx.gr Fri Jun 2 12:16:08 2000 From: doxastak at xxx.gr (Giannis Doxastakis) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:16:08 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Sinister: James Dean Driving School In-Reply-To: <98.5ba936b.26688422@aol.com> Message-ID: hello everyone. this is my first post. i'm on the list the last two months but i never felt like writing until i read this post below.. Well, it's actually a matter of taste, yet I have to totally disagree with colin's review on the "bellissimo" comp. The JJDE song is indeed wonderful.. sounds like housemartins to me. Apart from this, the compilation includes at least 4 more lovely tunes, such as the delightful and sunny "the camera loves me" by the would-be-goods, an ambassador 277 song (reminds me of the pale fountains) or the amazing "guess i'm dumb"..louis phillipe's cover of some beach boys song. As for the other songs, they're rather good (bad dream fancy dress are a bit annoying though). ok and now a small introduction. I'm giannis, 22 years old, living in crete, greece and studying computers. aghh nothing much to say, I'm afraid. take care all cheers On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 Cjmonty at aol.com wrote: > 'lo all, my first post, and, well, ill just get to the heart of it > > Vicki- James Dean Driving Experience > i bought a compilation from el records a few months ago that has "Sean > Connery" from JDDE on it. The one song sounds pretty good, hmm cant think of > an example... maybe "Smiths-ish"? No not even, sort of catchy though, and by > far the best on the album. Please, DO NOT buy an el record w/o hearing it > first, b/c the rest of the tracks on the comp "Bellissimo!" are horrid and > terrible and all around unpleasant (the Would-Be-Goods and the Kings of > Luxembourg are particularly distressing to experience). ......... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From WarranderJ at xxx.uk Fri Jun 2 13:42:35 2000 From: WarranderJ at xxx.uk (Warrander John - FML) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:42:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Gorilla attacks Belle & Sebastian on Top Of The Pops debut - NME Message-ID: <528B4DF333E2D311A784000629396D06014DBE@MASSLAB1> Hello Sinister List, So Steven Wells attacks Belle And Sebastian on TOTP! http://www.nme.com/newsdesk/20000602113938.html Mmm, maybe sad old men should just bog off and rot honourably in a dark, damp corner somewhere. That's what I did. And look at me now. I shag birds and father sprogs and everything. I really do. And I'm such a sad git I even have pictures to prove it. www.warrander.co.uk When I read chapter 2 of my HTML book things will be even better. I actually thought Steven Wells' article was quite funny. Surely making him really, really angry is top of the list of pop priorities for any half decent pop combo. Making him confused is even better. I'll bet Steven Wells hates the Pastels too. Stupid cunt. Murdoch's letter was quite good though. Quite the little slanging match building up there. Wouldn't it be great if Murdoch and Wells had a fight and Murdoch kicked the shit out of him. Possibly not as funny as Stephen Pastel kicking the shit out of him. But still pretty good. Anyway, sorry for being several years behind everybody else but fuck it, I'm a dad now, I'm allowed to be a prick. Somebody called Colin I think said something about an el records compilation being shit. I would strongly disagree with this if I had the energy. Particularly the slur on the good name of the Wood-Be-Goods. Top poptastic tunes with a nice bit of smart-arse 60s Brit cultural name-dropping for the train spotters to get excited about has always been a hit in my house. Bands on el being allowed to record whole albums was often a mistake but el compilations were smashing. If I remember correctly. I could just be being talking nostalgic bollocks here. But take that anyway Mr so-called-Colin. Don't mess with the Sinister massive. And Mr Miller thinks living above a bra shop is promising. You should try hanging out at parent and child groups mate. Boobs popping out left, right and centre. It's like Carry On fucking Camping in there. I'm glad there's a huge Sinister presence in Helsinki. I'm going there soon and I expect each and every one of you to buy me a pint. Or at least sub me a fag. I've been reading the Moomin books for an insight into Finnish social culture. If everything in Finland is as good as Moomin Valley then I'm staying. Does reading Moomin books on the bus wearing a puffin club badge make me twee by the way? Didn't somebody on this list say something about supporting Aberdeen FC recently? Fucking sheep shagger. I used to like nothing better than spending a Saturday afternoon at Pittodrie watching Willie Miller strutting around, commanding the penalty box like a ruthless Roman god of war. The only problem is you end up in the fucking Venue watching some shit psychabilly band every week? There's a moral here by the way. I think it's something to do with Aberdonians all having funny squat heads. Which reminds me, is anybody on the list from Stoke? Apparently Stoke has the least divergent gene pool of any British city. Fancy that then. Saturday afternoons were meant for staying at home and watching Carry On films. Watching Babs boobs I tell you. Babs boobs. Goodbye Sinister List, Love...John xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fehbptrain4 at xxx.mil Fri Jun 2 14:13:01 2000 From: fehbptrain4 at xxx.mil (FEHBP Training Account 4) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:13:01 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Arlington/Washington DC listening party Message-ID: <6629EF7B52C2D3118C33006008CF35918A957E@dddc023.ha.osd.mil> Hello, (This is short for a first post but.. ) I don't know if this has been written yet, if it has I am sorry. Was reading the city paper yesterday and noticed a add for now! music. They are having a B&S listening party and midnight sale on monday (June 5) at 10pm. It is at 3100 clarendon blvd in Arlington. next to the metro I think. I don't know if I will be going people are scary. Love to all. Alix. "Isn't sanity just a one-trick pony anyway?...but when your good & crazy the sky's the limit!" (the tick) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rehakk at xxx.edu Fri Jun 2 14:22:28 2000 From: rehakk at xxx.edu (Kimberly Rehak) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: buses, b&s, and my gender identity crisis Message-ID: boo, i'm trying to decide if i'm having a good or a bad morning so far. maybe someone can help me out: 1 mum drives me to the busstop since i'm late (as usual) and informs me that i must be having a gender identity crisis because i didn't dry my hair this morning (no time, again) and i had my hands in my pocket "like a boy". i could go on and on about the things she said but i'll just leave it at that-the g-g-g-gist. 1.5 cried for 15 minutes at busstop/busride. 2 beautiful boy on the bus keeps staring at me whilst we are in transit. 3 freaky man with the hearing aids who looks like a child molester sits beside me and also keeps looking at me. 3.5 am listening to b&s for the first time in a Really long time. 4 now i'm at work and i just spilled coffee all over me. i don't know what to do. hello to everyone new and old and to those who cry on buses (like me) and to those in germany (like me soon) and to those who dry their hairs in the morning (who are so much better than me-ha!) and to those going to beantown today. xo, kimmy +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Fri Jun 2 14:50:50 2000 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:50:50 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Priapism! Message-ID: <001101bfcc99$aee885c0$4a80243e@itjfvkli> I think everyone who appears on B&S sleeves is a nutter. Although under three minutes long, "Legal Man" feels like the "Infinity and Beyond" sequence of "2001 - A Space Odyssey". But I'm beginning to dig it. I'm particularly keen on Chris's long-overdue Clint Boon tribute. I think they should have turned the fuzz guitar up to eleven though, and drowned everything else out with it. Alix, Fuzzbox are great, aren't they? I like the one with star-shaped sunglasses best, I bet you do too. I know Fluffy does. I'm enjoying this B&S media circus. Richard seems a bit confused in "El País". He seems to think B&S have been the victims of some kind of music press conspiracy, yet I can't remember many bad reviews. In fact I can remember far more good reviews than any band can normally expect. It's a shame that they have to resort to this victim mentality, makes them sound like spoilt soppy tosspots whining to their mummies. That's not the Dunkirk spirit. Why do so many indie bands want to be associated with Sly and the Family Stone? Surely Amon Düül II would be a closer analogy. I often have that dream about Chris Leonard being a Lesbian. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Fri Jun 2 16:17:29 2000 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 16:17:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S *MIMING* on TOTP Message-ID: <003a01bfcca5$aec6d680$918f183e@default> I'm sorry for the minimal mail, but am I alone in being rather disillusioned with the fact that they mime to Legal Man instead of actually *performing* it. I always thought they'd have more guts than the likes of Cher (etc). I don't know if I can watch it now - this sucks. --Jason Andreas If nice guys finish last, then I'll never finish at all... ICQ: 45821217 AIM: RadioJase +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jayhol3 at xxx.com Fri Jun 2 15:42:22 2000 From: jayhol3 at xxx.com (Jamie Holman) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 07:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: part two : crusaders. Message-ID: <20000602144222.8759.qmail@web702.mail.yahoo.com> Im so sorry. List abuse I guess...... This list should be about like minded people with good taste in music, so here goes.... I know that some of you like us ( Jordi! ) and some come to see us...so this is for youse.......... tompaulins ep " my life as a car crash " is out on Monday, ignore the B+S stuff in the press, I think we are agreed that most journos are lazy to say the least. If you havent heard it...its ok. Please no angry mails about list abuse to my personal mail this time......thanks for reading micktravis --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.hester at xxx.uk Fri Jun 2 16:55:12 2000 From: m.hester at xxx.uk (Hester, Mark (ELS)) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 16:55:12 +0100 (GMT/BST) Subject: Sinister: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 16:55:29 +0100 Message-ID: well, well, well a gorilla on TOTP, that couldn't have happened since ooh, I don't know, the one who played guitar for Wizzard** on "See my baby jive". I'll miss it I'm afraid, since I'm off to Reading to see my friend Ian. He's a meteorologist, but don't you ever, ever call him a weatherman! He put his webpage into German and back again on Alta Vista babelfish, which is good for a laugh. http://www.met.rdg.ac.uk/~swr99icr/indexg.html OK, a very small one. A smirk then. We're going to a Thai restaurant, which is something I've never done before. Maybe it'll be a bit like Indonesian, which is fabulous I can tell you. Or at least the one I went to in Amsterdam was. Well, I thought I'd be going to Niagara on Monday 12th, but it looks like it's going to be Tuesday instead because Stereolab are playing in Toronto on the Monday and I can't risk not getting back to Toronto in time. Trust Ms Sadier and co to go and mess up my plans. Tsk. Do you think if B&S *hadn't* decided to mime then the other acts would have come up to them shame-faced and apologise for having mimed? The way Human League and U2 did when New Order were on in the 80s?* Incidentally, if anyone knows of an internet cafe in Toronto where I can check my Hotmail, please let me know. Cheers. Mark. * likely to prompt a few mails saying "how old are you?" ** guaranteed to prompt a few mails saying "how old are you?" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From splag at xxx.net Fri Jun 2 18:58:44 2000 From: splag at xxx.net (Scott Plagenhoef) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 11:58:44 -0600 Subject: Sinister: alone here miming songs to myself Message-ID: <200006021657.RAA22246@missprint.org> hi: Vicki questioned Nick's hope that B&S becomes the new teen dream: Are you kidding? Don't you remember those teenyboppers (the girls that end their name in "i" because ys are ugly) in high school? Once they get wise of the Sinister list they'll clog up our inbox with messages like "Oh, Stuart looks SOOOO cute with that earring on the NME cover." and "Who are The Smiths?" Well, I'm not sure that they will clog the Sinister List, but if they listen to Belle and Sebastian and turn around and then wonder "Who are the Smiths?" (or Orange Juice, Felt, the Clientele, the Velvet Underground and so on) that's good -- and I reckon that's exactly Nick's point. Way back when there was a bit of scuttlebutt and/or hullabaloo about the etchings on B&S's and others vinyl records. I can't remember if the mystery of who exactly is Tim D. was ever solved, because I may not have been paying as close attention as I should have, but examination of the Legal Man 7´´ and 12´´ reveals that "Tim D." is present, but the word "masterpiece" which had been scrawled on the rest of the band's work is absent. A sly editorial comment then? Our server has been a bit disagreeable today, so I apologize if this has been covered, but as a boorish American I must wonder if bands typically play live on TOTP. I have seen a few and some reputable types seemed to lip synch (e.g. Pulp). Is it de rigueur to pantomime and the NME is just taking a childish swipe without cause? That said, the lip synching still is a bit disappointing. Oh, I saw Primal, er, PRML SCRM last night and they played "Velocity Girl" and dedicated it to Struan. No, of course they didn't, but they did a lot of shouty sloganeering and I witnessed a girl in a spaghetti-strap summer dress and her investment bankeresque boyfriend snog and dance unironically and unaware to a man shouting "Ooh Aah Hezbollah" at them. Don't Primal Scream have members in their group that won't bother with the press as well? Seems to me that's just like the current state of B&S then except that with our gang the anti-press rhetoric is magnified because its the frontman that doesn't do the interviews. It was noted previously that the beginning on June sees an unnatural convergence of tasty summer sounds hitting the virtual shelves. If the Tugboat release schedule is to be believed, in addition to the out-now Clientele EP, Our Belles, Baxendale, and the UK release of the sumptuous 69 Love Songs, June 12th brings the second single from the outstanding, original Life Without Buildings and the debut full-length from Katrina-endorsed Australian lovelies Sodastream. Yum. sorry to bore, I needed an out-of-work experience. Eight hours til margaritas. Enjoy the weekend, scott. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From smiley at xxx.uk Fri Jun 2 17:03:18 2000 From: smiley at xxx.uk (Mr Smiley) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:03:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The taste of rain Message-ID: <000001bfccb4$3a79bea0$df45883e@n8j4k7> Dear Sinister, It's been one of those days. To start off with, I woke up to find I had contracted a nasty disease which is known to affect students doing their A levels and is caused by revision - it's called can't-be-arsed-itus. To relieve the symptoms, I wandered into town with a friend. Alas this didn't do me much good, and as soon as I got home I was again feeling restless. At this point I wondered if one of the unknown symptoms of can't-be-arsed-itus was the development of a serious Hefner obsession... it appears that it is. I finally gave up thinking about how much revision I could have done in the time it takes to listen to two Hefner albums, and went out for a walk. I took my camera in case I had any interesting thoughts I wanted to capture along the way. I scurried across the bypass and lo, I was in the countryside. I thought about going to have a chat with the cows, and maybe take a picture of one. The cows were no-where to be seen though. I couldn't remember exactly at which point in the year the farmer takes away his cows and kills them, but I was pretty sure it wasn't this early. I kept walking. I started to cheer up a bit, I was enjoying listening to the birds and I was enjoying the taste of rain. At the end of the field I found the cows. They'd all huddled together where the gate to the little lane I needed to get to were. Now, unlike some people I could mention, I'm not afraid of cows. I quite like them actually. I'm pretty sure they're telepathic, because they always seem to start moving at once. Anyway, even though I fear no cattle, I decided against walking over a load of cows to get to my destination. I thought about taking a picture of one, but then a cow that hadn't had the horns bred out of it yet stood up and looked vaguely menacing. Of course just after this all the others stood up, so I decided I'd be better off turning round and heading home, savouring he taste of rain... and looking over my shoulder every now and then. I still haven't revised for my English exam properly... and it's on Monday morning. Well, I think as soon as that exam finishes I'm *sprinting* to the car park, quite literally burning rubber into town (it doesn't matter that it's pedestrianised, nobody really believes that anyway. That's just what the council think it is) and I'm going to Our Price. Of course, having to park the car might waste time, so I think I'll just drive through the front window of Our Price, stop just short of the counter and say "excuse me good sir! A copy of the new Belle & Sebastian album, if you would". Or I might park at the library and just do things the normal way, I haven't decided yet. Oh and if it isn't in Our Price... well sod the environment, I'm driving to Sheffield. Platonic hugs, Mike ICQ: 73775341 Email - smiley at rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk The Black Den - http://www.rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From FoxInASnow at xxx.com Fri Jun 2 18:28:00 2000 From: FoxInASnow at xxx.com (FoxInASnow at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:28:00 EDT Subject: Sinister: alone here miming songs to myself Message-ID: <31.5e29740.266948a0@aol.com> Scott Plagenhoef wrote: > Well, I'm not sure that they will clog the Sinister List, but if they listen > to Belle and Sebastian and turn around and then wonder "Who are the Smiths?" > (or Orange Juice, Felt, the Clientele, the Velvet Underground and so on) > that's good -- and I reckon that's exactly Nick's point. *sobbing* How come nobody will tell me who the Clientele are? I've got a real reason for asking too. Everybody and their mother on Napster has some song called "Anhour" that's attributed to Belle and Sebastian, but the other day one person on there had it and it said it was by "Clientele." What is the song, and whose is it really? I know how silly mistakes get spread all over Napster - i mean even after the Legal Man single is really and officially out, everyone there who has the third track from it lists it as "Winter Wooly." So i want to know the truth. Also, tho i don't need to ask who the Smiths or the Velvet Underground are i must admit i haven't heard any of those other bands (Orange Juice, Felt, or the mysterious Clientele). This is a pathetic ploy to attempt to get a mix tape without actually asking for one. *smiles coyly* Love, Jess. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk Fri Jun 2 19:16:13 2000 From: amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk (amy_jackson0) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 19:16:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: my weird b&s dream... Message-ID: <004f01bfccbe$aa133020$ad523c3e@tinypc> i had this dream last night and it was very violent, but quietly amusing at the same time.... i was with my class from school, and we were all in a forest hanging about. suddenly, i stumbled across "top pop combo" Belle and Sebastian, doing a soundcheck for and impromptu gig in a clearing in the forest, so i persuaded everyone to watch them, cos it was better than wandering about through trees all day... so the gig was split into two sections, old stuff and FISHYCLAP stuff, with the old stuff played first. they did "she's losing it" and "seeing other people" the best, and Chris was *especially* cool on his piano, and even stuart d was there on his ol' bass..... anyways, it was time for the break, and since i had managed to get everyone to watch, i had to go with Chris and Mick into this big mansion type place with the rest of the band. so we were all sat in a big room with loads of paintings, and isobel suddenly came rushing in (she was wearing a big dress, like they wear in Pride and Prejudice) and her hand was bleeding a lot and she was screaming "he cut my thumb off and it's so painful!" and then Struan ran in with a huuuuuuuuge knife in his hand, not looking at all apologetic and running after isobel. Mick turned to me and said "this always happens, it doesn't get much worse" and the others left, leaving me with Mad Struan and Hysterical Isobel. They were shouting at each and everything, so i hid behind a bigger chair so they wouldn't see me, then Isobel was begging Struan to kill her so the pain would stop (i don't understand it either)..So he pulled out a big spade type thing and plunged it into her back and the blood was going everywhere and it was not nice! i ran out of the room and went back to watch the second half of the gig, all the FISHYCLAP stuff........they played "The Wrong Girl", and halfway through Struan came and joined them and i was singing along and they all smiled. afterwards, Mick and Sarah came up to me and asked if i'd seen Isobel, and i said no (cos i was scared)...anyway, then Isobel was back, sat in a big old seat all covered in yellowing fabric outside the mansion, and she was alive but very quiet. and all the blood was pouring through the seat so it was all red on the back. i went and asked her if she was okay and she smiled and said "yes, i am now" and then she got up and went into a big van with the rest of the band. i went to the van that the rest of my class from school were in, but i watched the b&s van with a pair of binoculars so i could see what happened, but the windows were all blacked out so i couldn't see anything. then the van drove off and all i could see was struan staring out of the sunroof...... it was dead weird, and i like Isobel so i don't know why i had a dream about Struan attacking her...... hope it wasn't too disturbing.... bighugs, littlebelle xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From iaradcliffe at xxx.com Fri Jun 2 21:08:56 2000 From: iaradcliffe at xxx.com (Iain Radcliffe) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 21:08:56 BST Subject: Sinister: Too weird to live, too rare to die! Message-ID: <20000602200856.7057.qmail@hotmail.com> Hey! What's wrong with you? You're lookin' kind of down to me. Crap lurex if you will. I prefer: "And now we rise, and we are everywhere" which features on the back on Nick Drake's grave in Tanworth-in-Arden. And: "Could you put a name to someone else's sigh? Could you put a face to someone else's eyes?" Lovely. Just saw TOTP. Regarding Jason Andreas' thoughts on miming, I think it's actually quite good if you're a cool and non-mainstream act appearing on TOTP, to take the piss out of the show a bit, and I think B&S did that well, without po-facedly (is that a word - it is now!) concentrating on singing proper like. Nirvana did it with KC singing in a "gothic drawl" - an octave lower for Smells Like Teen Spirit, and miming the guitar badly. Anyhoo, miming can be hard work. Look at young William Piper. She had to memorise all those slick moves, remember to stamp the dancer in the boz, and remember all the beautifully poetic lurex at the same time. What a lot to cram into her pretty little head. She must be really clever, like "Swells", that modern day hybrid of Woodward & Bernstein. Read Murdoch's riposte in the NME today, without buying the rag of course. Some of "Swells" replies to letters seemed soooo petty and unsuccessful at taking the piss. Anybody expecting to get ripped into by Angst got off easily, because he's not even capable of sticking the knife in properly when he has the chance. Isobel looked rather lovely with her tartan tie. Anyone who does not realise her innate cuteness, should listen to I Could Be Dreaming when she says "The most gigantic word in the dictionary". When she says "word" it should make any grown man melt. I must admit Stuart M does possess a rare and chisled beauty though. Glad to see ole Richie Colburn promoting his and my home town with his Perthshire Advertiser T-shirt on TOTP. He made the clever move of getting out of this place, whereas I returned to the parental fold merely for a job. I'll get out of this crummy old town some day though. Off to Athens tomorrow - on a whim and an overly optimistic appraisal of the bank balance, so I'll get FISHYFLAP when I return. In the meantime, I wish you all extremely happy listening, and would respectfully suggest that you don't post again until next Saturday so's not to clog ma box up. I'm sure you'll all comply with this reasonable request. Until the Edinburgh piss-up, I remain your friendy neighbourhood Jarvis xxx ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From feather-boa at xxx.com Fri Jun 2 21:06:02 2000 From: feather-boa at xxx.com (feather boa) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 13:06:02 -0700 Subject: Sinister: totp Message-ID: wasn't it grate? i liked the way they took the piss completely, and bel looked so bored. it was cool, especially the elvis impersonation. when i was looking for a tape to put it on, i found a video i'd made from when they put all the videos on alternative nation, so i watched that too, then put legal man on the end. that video's like a catalogue of my favourite bands - it starts with pulp on later, then the manics documentary (plus the videos for 2 songs), then b&s. i wonder what's next. pip pip, FB X *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. http://www.chickshops.com boutique shopping from chickclick.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From NOGOODNIK at xxx.net Fri Jun 2 21:14:43 2000 From: NOGOODNIK at xxx.net (christa) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 16:14:43 -0400 Subject: Sinister: news and reviews Message-ID: <003701bfcccf$31565020$a976fc3f@e44e9> everyone's favorite mindless drivel publication, Entertainment Weekly, has reviewed FYHCYWLAP, and here is what they (so eloquent and comprehensive- such insight!!*) say: *Originally embraced for their charming innocence and 60's inspired sound, these beloved Scottish mopes *now find themselves in the strange position of being neither naive or fresh, and it shows on their awkward 4th *album. Lavishly produced, the disc too often trades melodic inventiveness for orchestral bells and whistles, *and while there are plenty of sublime moments ("The Model" and "Woman's Realm" rank with their best), it *all sounds a little too familiar. grade: B ummmm... that's IT?!?! that's a review? YUCK! Rob Brunner can bite me. does this mean he liked it or what? although, what do i really expect from such a magazine. Kathie Lee Gifford is focused primarily on the cover. anyway, the news is this: there is going to be a DC-area (which includes DE, MD, PA, VA, etc) sinister picnic on Saturday June 10. i hope. its going to be from 4pm to dark in rock creek park in DC- picnic grove #9... this is very last-minute and not very well-organized, so i hope people can come. everyone on the list is invited, if you can make it. bring food and games and music and stuff to do. we can eat and drink and talk about the new record! email me for more info or directions or anything. we can always head out to a bar or something after the sun sets and we get booted out of the park. we really had a blast last year, playing Frisbee and croquet and chatting and eating (a lot!) it was a really good time. so try to make it if you can, ok?! i am presently all laid up with a cut foot. i can't really walk or climb steps or anything. i attempted to take a shower this morning, and succeeded in barely getting myself wet while getting approximately 2 inches of water on the bathroom floor. see, my boyfriend dropped a huge (full) bottle of olive oil behind me, while i was standing barefoot, and it crashed all over my ankle. i lost a good deal of blood and think i'm still in shock or something. i'm hobbling around with quite a limp, and its HOT in my apartment today. someone come and take care of me. whine whine complain bitch bitch moan whine complain. sulking on a nice day, .christa. *- sarcasm +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dougalshaw at xxx.com Fri Jun 2 23:55:20 2000 From: dougalshaw at xxx.com (dougal shaw) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 23:55:20 BST Subject: Sinister: Enter Dougal Message-ID: <20000602225520.44181.qmail@hotmail.com> I've actually been out the nursery for about two months now, but I almost forgot you had to write to the list for people to realise you are here! I've just been a passive voyeur (or lecteur, I suppose) up to now, but now I'm being pro-active. I want to introduce myself, but I don't want this message to degenerate into penpal chat, because that would be absurd. Anyway, my name is Dougal, which means 'dark stranger from the hills' in gaelic. And I have dark hair, and I come originally from Edinburgh, which is pretty hilly, so my parents named me well. I am a boy. B&S Content: When I first heard that the single had an instrumental on it, I feared the worst. Would B and S stoop to furnishing us with a 'filler'. How wrong could I be? Judy is a DS is one of the few instrumentals I genuinely love. The melody seems to go on for ages (though I don't want it to stop), and Cooke's small pips on the trumpet which arrive unannounced are truly orgasmic (God I've missed that trumpet sound!). I can't wait for the opportunity to dance to it in a drunken manner when it comes on unexpectedly in a club. Having said that when The Boy WTAS came on in a club in Edinburgh last summer, I got a wee bit over-excited. The euphoria soured when I accidently squashed a Japanese tourist. (Sorry Misha!). Idea for B and S song: One of my favourite songs of all time is 'Bonnie and Clyde' by Serge Gainsbourg (with Brigitte Bardot). I think Stuart and Isobel singing this as a duet could really work. The lyrics could be adapted to cover the 'Ice Cream Wars', the gangster battles which shook Glasgow in the early '70s. Must go now, the ever excellent Alan Titschmarsh is on the telly... Dougal ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Sat Jun 3 00:22:15 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:22:15 +1200 Subject: Sinister: ramblings Message-ID: <006201bfcce9$cbae3060$156137d2@computer> ***THE NEW ALBUM*** Haven't got it. Although thankfully the Jeepster site is back up, and I have ordered it, and hopefully it will arrive reasonably soon after it's release date. Flying In (offshoot Flying Nun Records) are the distributors here, but will no doubt charge a small fortune and bring it out in about three months. They have just released the "Mondo '77" single here - for $21.95! (Which is almost three times what a normal single costs here . and given that one of the tracks is only a radio edit) I think it's a rather unreasonable price to pay. So I'll wait and get it off Jeepster someday. ***MELODY MAKER REVIEW*** The sort of review I could have written without hearing the album. Like the sort of review I would write about a Pearl Jam album. "Alright if you like that sort of thing ... sounds like the last one". Which is quite funny because only two weeks earlier they had a 'track-by-track' preview where they called it "the most poetic, coherent, dramatic and mournful album to date". Ummmm . some of us have slightly-longer-than-goldfish-memory-spans, Melody Maker. ***SAD STUFF***(well ... No, not really) It makes me a little sad to think that come the day that I get the new album, that will pretty much it for the next two years. I can't really see B&S going back to recording their albums in a week now. Which is sad. And you really have to question whether the new album, having taken almost 90 times longer to make that "Tigermilk", could possibly be 90 times better. Still, I recall reading that the band had recorded about 20 songs, so that makes another 2 3-track singles worth of material to release. I really hope they do it. ***BUYING STUFF OFF JEEPSTER*** In his mail to the list from a few moths ago, (about closing Jeepster chat) David Kitchen kind of insinuated that more people should buy their records off Jeepster. Which I agree. You should always support the little guys. However, I think a really excellent way of doing this would be offering stuff which you can ONLY buy off Jeepster. Maybe they could do a series of live albums or compilations or something, and the only way you could get them would be from the label. Lets face it . some of this material would probably be of limited appeal .. And may not sell to well in the big chains, but if they had it so fans could pre-order the albums they'd know exactly how many to press. It would be a bit of a money spinner (as doing a live album would cost nigh-on-nothing as I'm sure they record the gigs from the sound desk) and would keep the fans happy. It would also be a nice way of "officially" releasing some of the older songs (Lord Anthony, Rhoda, Paper Boat) which may now never be recorded. I know the (awful) Dave Matthews Band does something similar . and I'm sure lots of other bands also have fan exclusives. Well .. How 'bout it? ***TOTP*** Well, of course, your geographically isolated friend here in New Zealand didn't get to see TOTP. Curses! But one of my friends woke me at 6:48am this morning with a phone call saying "I've just seen the most amazing thing". According to them they were taking the piss rather admirably, with Stuart M standing about 7 ft. from the microphone. Which brings me to a request. Which makes me feel a little shameful, because I don't really like asking for things. But if anyone who lives in a PAL/SECAM country (ie. Not Americans or Japanese) taped the show, and has the capacity to copy the "Legal Man" bit for me .. Well . I'd swoon with joy. Really, I would. If that person also has any of the promos, interviews or TV stuff like "Loneliness of a Middle Distance Runner" etc., well, that would be even better. I'm sorry to sound so incredibly insipid asking about this, but otherwise I' ll pretty much never get to see any of this stuff. I asked about this a month or so ago, and nobody replied to my post. (sigh) And of course, I'll gladly send money for a tape, postage etc., or sort out a trade of some sort. Well, enjoy your weekend, kids ............ Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lost_madflowr at xxx.com Sat Jun 3 00:42:19 2000 From: lost_madflowr at xxx.com (lost madflowr) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 16:42:19 PDT Subject: Sinister: Arlington/Washington DC listening party (wed) + PICNIC (sat) Message-ID: <20000602234219.47653.qmail@hotmail.com> hello all. i've been lurking around these days. nothing's really struck a chord with me recently to make me want to post. but this now! music & fashion listening party for FYHCYWLAP is certainly a reason to pull me out of the woodwork to pipe in a bit about it. it's free. it starts at 10pm. it's at now! music & fashion. there will be lovely people there. if you have not checked out the store yet, it gives you a huge reason to make the journey! there is going to be free stuff. apparently [i talked to tim now! the other day] it is going to be *catered*. there will be door prizes and prize paks from matador. at midnight the new album will go on sale. yay for b&s! um. i'll be there with bell(e)s on and a badge turned upside down of course. i was handing out fliers for the b&s listening party at the sleater-kinney show at the 9:30 club. that was fun. show up, why don't ya? any questions, please post off the list. as always if you want to meet up with dc/philly/md sinister kids you should join dcsinister list by going to http://sinisterdc.listbot.com there are not many posts. questions, email christa - nogoodnik at prodigy.net or madflowr - lost_madflowr at hotmail.com we are having the annual DC PICNIC this coming saturday. it's going to take place at rock creek park in lot #9. it will be loads and loads of fun i can guarantee you. last year we had a ball. and there was croquet, frisbee, wine, and more. i participated in the croquet and that's it! no wine for me. i just asked christa and she thinks around 20 ppl showed up last year. that seems right. regardless, come say hi. bring food. drinks. whatever you'd like to share around. we had some exotic items last year. hee! and finally, while we are on the subject of d.c./arlington: on 17 june 2000 at now! music & fashion, an event is taking place that will rock yr world. it's called make-out party and i have to admit that you won't find another event like it any time in the near future. 5 free bands including barcelona, anne summers, the mallstars, and devon green. come around 12:30. bands start at 1:00. it may last as late at 5, then you can jet off to see the cure. hee. cos it's the same day. regardless, if you'd like more info about *that* just call and inquire at (703) 971-8135. thankee. it is completely pouring down rain here. help me! "isn't life too short for shyness?" -trembling blue stars. http://www.underworld.net/~madflowr/makeoutpartyflier.jpg at now! music & fashion ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kpc98c at xxx.UK Sat Jun 3 03:46:41 2000 From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 03:46:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Talks in the show Message-ID: <200006030247.DAA27162@missprint.org> Hello, I was reading my sinister mails today as usual, and suddenly, I read a mail from no other than MYSELF! It would appear that (from what I gathered from the content) that I have managed to post an e-mail to sinister without remembering it due to drunkeness.. sorry. :-) Dream littlebelle had an actual "sinister" b&s dream, well I sort of had too, but the "sinister" bit was a different story than the b&s bit... First part I dreamt about walking for ages in the city of Nottingham trying to find Foldyourhandschildyouwalklikeapeasant, and got really tired and was walking up this really steep hill, then someone I know was at the top of this hill with this old lady on a wheelchair, then proceeded to chuck her right down this hill. I then asked him why he had done that and he said the lady had lung cancer and that he just eased her suffering.. which was weird. The second part I actually got the Foldyourhandschildyouwalklikeapeasant album, and I have already heard I fought in a war and loved it... so when I pressed play I was expecting Struan to sing "I fought in a war.." in his lovely voice, but instead, a mad Techno Dance type version of I fought in a war came on and it was really arse, all my friends then said b&s are rubbish and walked off. Then I woke up and realised that it was just a dream... phew! I really hope that b&s won't ever get into techno. Top Of The P!O!P's Now legal man totp was just wicked! How funny was that with Struan, dancing and manhandling that superman guy, and Isobel! Lovely Isobel in a school uniform type thing, move over Britney! And she looks all bored and apathetic, GRATE! The drummer guy didn't look as cool as he did in the video though, when his head was bopping up and down and stuff. Sexy Accent Thanks to Iain for hitting the nail on the head with the girlie speaking in "I could be dreaming"! Girls with scottish accent speak so sexy! The bit that goes "and it would be worth any statesman's money".. ahhhh! One question though, was that actually Isobel? If it is, then I just have to fancy Isobel even more!! Wound Swells I have a cunning plan for anyone who fancies writing to the NME.. a plan of infiltration: we pretend to be a swells fan, and write a really stupid letter to the lines of "yeah, steven wells is WKD innit. Politics rule man, Primal Scream are immense and legalise cannabis innit and schoolz r 4 wimpz STEVEN WELLS ROCKZ" although the letter sounds totally braindead, swells, head swollen and eye blinded by the well worded praise at the end, will still print it and then people will all see that swells is a dick slap. Best stop now before the 15 minutes rule becomes the 15 pages rule! Conkers and Red Bulls! Ken ====================================================================== All I wanted was to sing the saddest songs well if you would sing along I will be happier - Belle & Sebastian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From therach at xxx.com Sat Jun 3 07:17:08 2000 From: therach at xxx.com (Rachel Taylor) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 02:17:08 -0400 Subject: Sinister: we kiss on the mouth, but still cough down our sleeves... Message-ID: <3938A2E4.670F693A@home.com> Well List- This is my first post... I 've been out of the nursery for over 2 months and I just haven't been able to think of anything to say... but this evening I feel like I just have to say something to someone or I will go absolutely insane. Have any of you ever felt this way? I'm sue you have but I still feel compelled to ask. To start with I live in Louisville, Ky U.S. which can be a lonely little place for Belle and Sebastian lovers and for little girls like me anyways. I can only wish for a picnic one day... Anyways I am just sitting in my house listening to Modest Mouse, (who by the way played a couple of weeks ago and were very nice to see) feeling sorry for myself drinking bottle after bottle of Grolsch-which should explain the complete lack of direction of this post, sorry- I am just so very sad today and thought maybe someone out of all of you would have some bit of something, some tidbit of advcie that would somehow make me feel somewhat better? I have lost my very best not-boyfriend, to a girl who would like to be his real girlfriend, and far be it from me to complain, he deserves a girlfriend...but sigh, now I will be all alone...I guess thats all I have to say for myself right now... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ryannanbi at xxx.com Sat Jun 3 07:57:18 2000 From: Ryannanbi at xxx.com (Ryannanbi at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 02:57:18 EDT Subject: Sinister: (no subject) Message-ID: <7d.5b53d59.266a064e@aol.com> Although i only write after a long night of drinking, i feel an emmense satisfaction, this not being my first post and all... And if honey (whom i respect and adore) thinks this took less than 15 minutes), than HA! It may have taken me fifteen minutes to get undresed tonight, seeing is how i am so drunk. ( i know you europeans say pissed instead of drunk but since my cousins who i just talked to area eurotrash), i think in american pissed means TO URINATE, so im am pleased to say i have been abducted by the crazy's. For the record: i am not one of the crazy's +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From twinkle at xxx.uk Sat Jun 3 09:12:00 2000 From: twinkle at xxx.uk (Florence) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 09:12:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: preaching to the steadfastly non-convertable Message-ID: <007d01bfcd33$92c3e0c0$9429883e@fivvwrpw> Feather Boa said of TOTP: >wasn't it grate? i liked the way they took the piss completely, and bel looked >so bored. it was cool, especially the elvis impersonation. It *was* grate. They really stood out from the rest, just by looking so ordinary, so blasé, and so cool. And Stuart danced like a god. I taped it for the benefit of my cousin Toby, who had to work a late shift at the Co-op yesterday evening. He managed to see it though - he heard the opening notes, and sprinted across the store to the TV department. "This isn't too bad actually!", said the girl who works in that section, in a surprised tone (imagine high-pitched Brummie and you've got it). We're both encountering lots of people who are surprised to find the single so good, including several members of our family. (My brother enjoyed the video - "Is that a bloke in a dress?!" he asked. Yes, I replied, then realised he meant Isobel. NB - this is true, and not simply a dig at Bel on my part, I think she's lovely.) But then they hear fyhcywlap and think it's rubbish. Oh well, at least we try our best to convert them. Which reminds me, Mike said: > At this point I wondered if one of the unknown symptoms of >can't-be-arsed-itus was the development of a serious Hefner obsession... it >appears that it is. According to Mike, this Hefner obsession is my fault. He didn't take too much persuasion though, and I'm not a bit sorry :-) And on the subject of other bands, Rachel said: >Has anyone heard of a band called The James Dean Driving Experience? I came >across their name on a website and any band with a name like that must be >good. They were very good! I used to write to the drummer, and still have their first few releases. Very Smiths influenced, with cool 'Screen Goddess' cover stars. I'd be interested to hear if anyone knows what became of them, after about 1990...? I mingled with a lot of stars in the late 'eighties. I was at school with the mighty Fuzzbox. (They were a few years above me though - I'm not *that* old.) And me and a friend once 'hung out' backstage with Ocean Colour Scene. We weren't a bit overawed or impressed by this experience though, because we thought they were pants. Florence xx ____________________________________________________________ Pink Lemonade with Twinkle at www.CamdenTownNW1.freeserve.co.uk "I still want to get my hair cut just like Jean Seberg" - Marine Research +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elenita99 at xxx.com Sat Jun 3 13:10:56 2000 From: elenita99 at xxx.com (elenita99) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 13:10:56 CEST Subject: Sinister: More interviews... Message-ID: <20000603111056.48841.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello Listees, I hope you are all OK and having a good week-end... Following "El Pais" interview mentioned by Arantxa, there is another one here (still in Spanish) from Mondo Sonoro, sort of free-Spanish NME or so, I guess. http://www.mondosonoro.com/detall_entrevista.asp?id=200882 It is based on a Richard's interview by phone. Some rough translation of things he says... "I believe it is our 'happier' album, to say it this way.I mean, it is an album sounding like B&S, but the songs are indeed more open and expressive, and generally the whole album is transmitting more energy than the previous ones[...] We don't really feel in or out what you call the indie scene. I can't see much in common with a lot of the bands appearing every month, and we haven't either a big interest in their music. I can't tell you more...it is something that doesn't matter that much to us. Our music is here, up to you to do something with it [...} People think we don't do concerts because we don't like it or because we are lazy. It is not true, the thing is that it's quite complicated doing a B&S gig in good conditions, because we need many instruments, a good sound and a surround adapting to all this" Not even two days to go before Monday... Have a very good WE, love to you all Elena ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jellybabs at xxx.com Sat Jun 3 12:50:53 2000 From: jellybabs at xxx.com (Katy Dutton) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 04:50:53 PDT Subject: Sinister: This post is looking like the Bible, with it's verses lost in time... Message-ID: <20000603115053.33238.qmail@hotmail.com> Some stuff in no order: 1. TOTP. Bluddy grate. Just after they were on, my boyfriend phoned and was raving about it, as was I, then I was juggling two phones because my best friend rang talking about the same thing. It was a bit frantic to say the least. I went round for the rest of the evening with a massive smile plastered on my face, not being able to stay still. 2. The Times 'Metro' section has Fishyclap as their album of the week this week. The review: ********************************************************************** Bloody awkward coves, Belle and Sebastian. They have a profile so low that even though they beat the evil Steps to win the 1999 Best Newcomer Award at the Brits, people still think they're French. They get offered a lucrative Radiohead support tour, but turn it down so that they can play at a local Glasgow community centre instead. They spend more than a quid on a video and think they're 'selling out'. And when was the last time anyone even cared about that? Then there's the matter of their dealings with the press: they have never sent out a photo of the full band line-up. Occasionally, as an alternative, they mail pictures of their friends. Or toy dogs. They don't do interviews, except to discuss why they don't do interviews. The downside of all these shenanigans is that the music tends to be forgotten. Which is a shame, because Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant is a great album. Musically, B&S just get better and better. their roots remain the classic Love album Forever Changes, the pop symphonies of Pet Sounds or (whisper it) some of mike Oldfield's finer moments. The best songs are again written and sung by Stuart Murdoch, in the endless circular sentence style of Nick Drake. The opener I Fought In A War is like Donovan sings the letters of Wilfred Owen. Yes, it's that miserable. Murdoch's finest moment, though, is Chalet Lines; it's unlikely you'll hear a song as sad, touching and heartfelt as this all year. It's about a rape, with Murdoch narrating as the attacked girl. It's a hugely dark moment put into starker contrast by the fact that the song that follows it is a hilarious piece of self-mockery entitled Nice Day For A Sulk. 'Nice day for a sulk/That girl smells of milk', sings Murdoch cheerily, then 'Nice day for a mood/The forecast is gloom' set to a skippy, bouncy march and falling downstairs piano. Terrific. Other highlights include Murdoch and cellist/vocalist Isobel Campbell doing their impression of Lee Hazlewood and Nancy Sinatra on Beyond the Sunrise, and The Wrong Girl, the kind of upside-down pop song the Monkees wrote when they were set free. A few years ago the NME ran a regular satirical item with the headline 'God Help Us If There's A War'. Under this banner would be pasted a picture of the latest floppy-fringed indie group foolish enough to send the publication a single. Back then, in the wake of Morrissey and The Smiths, when alternative rock was glad to be fey, the world was full of earnest young men with the physique of a sheet of A4 paper. These days they are something of a rarity, and in a world containing Bloodhound Gang's Hooray For Boobies, it's actually a relief to hear a band prepared to be whimsical and sensitive. Truth is, we need Belle & Sebastian far more than they need us. *********************************************************************** Nice review, non? Oh yeah, they got 8/10. 3. Um I got another list crush vote. I thought I knew who it was but truth is, turns out it isn't that person. So I'm baffled now; a)I thought it was my boyfriend, b)Whoever it is is a wee bit silly, because I'm silly and un-crushable. Mail me anyway - I'm intrigued. And I feel all arrogant now for announcing it. Sorry. 4. Oh, one last thing. Just want to say hi to some people - David :), Hib - post, you silly girl!, and Ayesha who just rejoined. Okay, I'll go. Sorry for the copied and minimal content :) Bye bye, Katy. PS The Nottingham/Sheffield/Midlands picnic is looking good for July. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From burns_alan29 at xxx.com Sat Jun 3 13:05:45 2000 From: burns_alan29 at xxx.com (Alan Burns) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 12:05:45 GMT Subject: Sinister: "A hangover shared is a hangover halfed".... Message-ID: <20000603120545.49649.qmail@hotmail.com> ...hmmmph. yeah, right. why did no-one warn me, that on exiting the world of loner nerdness, stripping my whole personality away and rebuilding it in order to make myself socially acceptable, relationships would just be confusing and painful? but nevertheless wothwhile. unless I'm in the mood for sticking to my old maxim that "happiness is an overdose of endorphins that you are temporarily powerless to control", which it feels like half the time anyway. I'm almost just wanting to be single again and have just the rock-bottom of my feelings to really believe in, but that would mean leaving certain things behind, ahem, that I've, er, never had before. and I'd miss her company, the fact that I've actually found someone with a personality, interests & musical tastes just like mine, and that I can now, in time, join the almighty legions of couples who swan around the supermarket where I work looking like they're completely unaware that they're actually in a public place. I take my hat off to all of them, and may they never find out what I fantasise about, involving strichnine, whilst I'm scanning the food they're buying. but anyway, with all of that going on, I haven't really been living in the real world much. haven't been able to concentrate on exams, so I suppose I'll fail them all (walked out of one of them far too early, just because I wanted to run away somewhere and let some energy out), and I haven't been paying much attention to anything else, save reading what I can of all the Sinister messages (which are great as always). this means I've completely forgotten the following things: -when's the album coming out? (Fold your pants child, of course, as I'm calling it) this is just my total music geek nature showing through, but I couldn't bear to buy it on the second day it comes out (was down to buy TBWTAS at 9 a.m. on the Monday morning!) so I must know. from the messages I've been reading from those of you who've had wee advance tasters, I'm certainly looking forward to it. -when's the Edinburgh picnic again, and where exactly? I really should save more messages instead of deleting so many, but I now only have vaguely misty recollections of it being on June 10th, and can't remember where at all. oh well, now I've got to go off and change for work again, and attempt that most impossible of tasks for a young man first of all: trying to iron a shirt. I look forward to scalding my arms with boiling water. I really do, actually. pressing little gauze pads against a slashed and severed sky to try and stop the rain, Alan. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frager103 at xxx.com Sat Jun 3 13:55:47 2000 From: frager103 at xxx.com (Head in Clouds) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 05:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Just a provocation? Message-ID: <20000603125547.20214.qmail@web3403.mail.yahoo.com> Hello list, I read a comment on B&s fans that made me think. That is, "people who listen to b&S are people who have a poor or non-existent sexual life". Is there any relation between the music you listen to and your sexual life? Or is just an abusive statement? Just wondering. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clb112 at xxx.uk Sat Jun 3 14:32:58 2000 From: clb112 at xxx.uk (clb112) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 14:32:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Get out of the city, and into the... References: <20000603120545.49649.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <3939090A.7C31EA63@york.ac.uk> Hello strumpets ************************************************************************** My three housemates were doing the Billie dance really well (I can't at all so I did some Jarvis-esque hip-twisting and sky-pointing in the corner instead). By the time B&S were on I was so out of breath all I could do was finger click like Isobelle and shout "SUNSHINE !!!" at the appropriate bits. ************************************************************************* The other night we stole a trolley from a 24-hour Tesco's. This might not sound very impressive, but Tesco's is a long way from where we live, and we had to cut through a race-course full of angry horses trying to sleep. The tomatoes turned to mush from all the rattling about. We're going to put some charcoal in it and use it as a mobile barbecue. ************************************************************************** Alan wrote some stuff which I think you should all be made to read again: > "happiness is an overdose of endorphins that you are temporarily powerless to control", > pressing little gauze pads against a slashed and severed sky to try and stop > the rain ************************************************************************* The "Hefner Heart" has wound its way to me from Spain (I thought it was never coming). Last night my housemate: 1. Branded 'Karen' (its most divine track) "CLOWN MUSIC", and 2. Got chip grease on its cardboard cover. ****************************************************************************** This is a very fragmented email. ****************************************************************************** Lots of love Caroline xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From better_than_buffy at xxx.com Sat Jun 3 14:38:48 2000 From: better_than_buffy at xxx.com (sp*rkle horse) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 13:38:48 GMT Subject: Sinister: welcome to beanland... Message-ID: <20000603133848.21716.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello there list! Well, this is my first posting although I�ve been out of the nursery for quite a while now. I don�t know how long I�ve been out [ooh, pardon that!] because I must have overlooked the notification you get. Anyway, katy [mutton as I call her] has been saying I should post for quite a while now but it kinda scary y�know? I mean, why would anyone be reading my ramblings? It�s rather odd. But I guess I�ve been reading everyone else�s so I thought it was time to return the favour :) So what�s new? Well, of course like anyone within the tuning region of the UK, I watched TOTP last night. It was so blummin� grate, and I won�t go on about it but struan was go lovely and isobel so good and being all �I�m gonna pretend I can�t be arsed� bless her :) as katy posted earlier I phoned her up afterwards to re-live the whole thing but she was on the phone to that blimmin� boyfriend of hers. So in her most polite way she told me not so politely to bugger off. Seriously I thought the girl was on something, she was so high when she phoned me later. But seeing as we�re revising for exams at the mo I fear she left the lid off her tippex pen when she was working at her desk. perhaps� I know I�m going on about nothing imparticular but katy has instilled the fear of god in me by saying �you can�t just post a few lines� so there you go. Now I�m just avoiding revision where I can sit at my desk and escape into day-dreams of sitting and having coffee with isobel while monica queen sings in the background lovely! Ciao tutti, L-O-V-E :) Love hib xx Ps just wanna say hi to david �ack� and mutton [beanfruit] and ayesha who is apparently pottering around in the nursery as we speak. xx ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clb112 at xxx.uk Sat Jun 3 14:40:24 2000 From: clb112 at xxx.uk (clb112) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 14:40:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Provoked References: <20000603125547.20214.qmail@web3403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39390AC8.CC8E6859@york.ac.uk> Head in Clouds wrote: > "people who listen to b&S are people who have a > poor or non-existent sexual life". > Our sex lives are quite alright, thankyou very much. > Is there any relation between the music you listen to > and your sexual life? I'd rather be made love to by someone who listens to B&S than someone who acts out Slipknot or Steps songs. Of course, someone who listens to Hefner...he he he he he (chuckling like a naughty minx) Caroline xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From FrugalSyntax33 at xxx.com Sat Jun 3 17:40:23 2000 From: FrugalSyntax33 at xxx.com (FrugalSyntax33 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:40:23 EDT Subject: Sinister: martians and nimphos, raise your hands... Message-ID: hello. i haven't written in the longest time to this list. i've kept it on digest for the past few months and have just deleted it. sorry. somebody brought my attention back to the list a little bit ago though-thanks jason. 6 more official days of school left. thank god. graduation this month. not next month. not two months away. finally. all of my major assignments are finished. no more internship. only one more paper left. and several creative writing assignments, but i've got a handle on those. what have i been doing for the past few months? for those few of you who care. i've been reading. lots. am currently reading "a confederacy of dunces" by john kennedy toole. would highly recommend it to those who've never heard of it. i've also been writing several short stories and poems. writing poetry's not an unusual activity. and it's not the usual shit either. trust me. i am currently melting in the heat bubble which is my home. i called my mom at work before and she said it was cool enough to require a jacket outside. figures. perhaps i'll subscribe to the non-digest form of this list now. or find someway to get my b key to work. wish me luck. amy. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From edb213 at xxx.edu Sat Jun 3 18:50:36 2000 From: edb213 at xxx.edu (Eric D Brasure) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 13:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Fazal is my new god Message-ID: This is my second post in as many days, after lurking for months. Must be summer. I'm getting more and more excited for Tuesday to get here (which is when "Fold Your Hands Child" comes out in the States). Of course, to tide myself over I bought "Electr-O-Pura" by the fab Yo La Tengo today, which makes sense, doesn't it? I'm a bit disappointed that I'm going to have to wait until 6pm on Tuesday to get it though, as I have work and there's no record store within walking distance of the shit little city I work in. If any of you are planning on visiting Wilmington, Delaware anytime soon, well... don't. I also had a thought about all the album abbreviations floating around: wouldn't it be easier to call them by their color? It wouldn't work for the singles and EPs, well most of them. Am I only one in thinking that fishyclap sounds like a new venerial disease that you catch from trout? Forget I said that. I seem to have this strange problem of typing the wrong ending on certain words that have both an -ed and an -ing ending. I've wrote "I'm exciting" when I meant "I'm excited" more times than I care to remember. I think it might make people think I'm egotistical. Of course, you may be wondering why I'm so excited all the time, and that would be a good question. I've also noticed that each new B&S album's title is longer than the previous (I must have too much time on my hands). If this keeps up, we'll be enjoying FRDAWFHCVGJRJSV in a year or two. I for one am looking forward to it. It will be called "the purple one". really hoping this post wasn't shit, eric p.s. Anyone out there with lots of flirting advice? I need all the help I can get. Even if you don't have lots. "If you start out depressed, everything's a pleasant surprise." -Lloyd Dobler +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jellybabs at xxx.com Sat Jun 3 19:33:05 2000 From: jellybabs at xxx.com (Katy Dutton) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 11:33:05 PDT Subject: Sinister: Provoked Message-ID: <20000603183305.22588.qmail@hotmail.com> Caroline wrote, regarding sex lives: >Of course, someone who listens to Hefner...he he he he he (chuckling like a naughty minx) Hehehehe, I'm saying nothing...... But yes, I have found myself at the butt of various jokes, including those of the sexual variety I'm sure, because of my musical taste. Townies just have seen Struan's true beauty... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com Sat Jun 3 09:07:06 2000 From: jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com (Harry Hunt) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 20:07:06 +1200 Subject: Sinister: Ruth Madoc's an Englishman References: <20000603183305.22588.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <20000603191636.40853.qmail@hotmail.com> Quick note. Surely someone's musical taste tells you NOTHING about the person other than what music they like? How they EXPRESS their love of a band is a different matter. If someone genuinely likes Slipknot, or the television personalities, then that just means they like that band. If, however, they loudly extoll the virtues of their band, always juxtaposed against a band of a different genre, THAT's insecure. Sorry about the shortness, as I've said to many before. Love Harry +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From therach at xxx.com Sat Jun 3 20:22:58 2000 From: therach at xxx.com (Rachel Taylor) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:22:58 -0400 Subject: Sinister: feeling much better now, thank you Message-ID: <39395B12.97F09DDE@home.com> Everything feels much better in the light of day, except for my splitting headache of course. My sincere thanks to those who replied with words of encouragement and sympathy to my last post. I no longer feel so grief-stricken. After all as he told me I am not losing a Not-boyfriend but gaining a Not-boyfriend's girlfriend. Ha! Anyways I would never be able to sleep with him, we've been friends way too long. It is just that I have been subsidizing all of my boyfriends with him for years and if he has a real girlfriend he will not have time to do that anymore. You see he does all the things (well not all) with me that the boys I date can't or won't do, like go see movies with subtitles and take my dog for walks in the park, and play quarters and go to the bookstore and buy me david Sedaris books, and go to the museum see? So it is easy for me to see why another girl would want him to be her real boyfriend, but now what will I do? Not that he's perfect, he doesn't really like Belle and Sebastian, or any of the same music as me really, but I've given up on finding a straight boy with good taste in music around here that doesn't treat girls terribly. Nonetheless I will be okay. Thanks for listening, maybe next time I will have something interesting to say. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Sat Jun 3 22:03:32 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 09:03:32 +1200 Subject: Sinister: B&S fandom/sexual prowess Message-ID: <002201bfcd9f$be34f8e0$5c6137d2@computer> Someone called 'Head In Clouds' said "Is there any relation between the music you listen to and your sexual life? Or is just an abusive statement?" ummm ... I think it kinda is an abusive statement. But, nevertheless, I attach the following article a freind e-mailed me a year or so ago. (Take as a given that The Smiths and B&S have a *similar* sort of fanbase .....) STUDY PROVES SMITHS FANS NOT GETTING ANY A study conducted by anthropologists at the University of Michigan has revealed what many music listeners have long suspected: that teen fans of U.K. eighties band The Smiths have sexual intercourse about one-tenth as often as other teens. "It's not that they don't want to have sex," said Professor Marvin Mitchelson who led the study "It's more a case of their persistent melancholy and lack of self-esteem, which makes them completely unattractive to their peers." The study reveals that while the average teen loses their virginity at or around the age of 16, and have varied sexual relations approximately 10-15 times a year, Smiths fans tend to retain their virginity until at least their second year of college, while those who are having sex do so an average of two or three times a year (but they cry through the whole experience). "These fans spend their time idolizing dead movie stars, sipping tea, wearing fuzzy sweaters and visiting poets' graves. They then go home, and they cry and they want to die," Mitchelson explains. "You can understand why their leader (Morrissey) claimed to be asexual." Local 17 year-old Smiths fan Brian Orzaball said the study findings didn't really surprise him. "I was sort of seeing this girl Becky from the Drama Club for a little while," said Orzaball. "The thing is, she really needs to concentrate on her school and her poetry right now, and doesn't really have time for a relationship." Orzaball added that he "would really like to get some", but acknowledged that the prospects don't look good for at least the rest of the school year. There. And now ..... THERE IS NO NEED TO MAIL ME, VIA THE LIST, OR OFF-LINE, WITH A JUSTIFICATION OF YOUR SEXUAL PROWESS. I will not take kindly to any e-mails saying things like "I like B&S and I'm a huge great stud" or "I slept with 28 men/women last night" etc. The above is supposed to be *funny*. So there ..... Lawrence +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Sat Jun 3 22:42:31 2000 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:42:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Faggy But Nice Message-ID: <000101bfcda4$f2d46680$9705073e@default> Hi Priapism Sufferers, TOTP Congratulations to Belle & Sebastian for achieving their ambition of appearing on Top Of The Pops at last. They all looked like they really enjoyed themselves: Struan's dancing & idiotic grin were a pleasure to behold, Isobel smiled (quite becoming, perhaps could be done more often in public) & the others grooved like monkeys too. I never realised that Stevie was so tall. There was a guy playing bongos, was that Jonny Quinn, the conga player on the single? Its just that Sally is quite interested in finding out ... :) GORILLA Who was it dressed in the gorilla suit? mail me privately, please, so that I can win the Jeepster competition :) LEGAL MAN VID Still only seen the 50 seconds from Jo Whiley's programme. Neil has received 2 credits for his dancing talents, how about one for Banchory's own Venus de Milo, Katrina, who I think I can spy frugging wildly too, adorned with a hairslide big enough to outshine Trousers' one at ATP. 1 MIDLIFED-CRISIS 40SOMETHING Gotta agree with Lucy about Calumn's talent for seizing the unflattering snap. However, I don't think that the one of Steve "Soul Boy" Hewitt is the most embarassing: that honour goes to the one of the bloke supposedly watching him dance (but who was probably just wondering what the **** he was doing in a noisy club full of er, young people at 2 in the morning) Well done Mr Shearer. An interesting flash technique, too, bouncing it off handy reflective surfaces... THE VISITORS' album "Miss" is now out on Matinée Recordings (matcd003). So get one, so that you can thrill to the sound of the golden tonsils of the teenaged Tim Hopkins. My favourites so far are Goldmining, Waking Up To Nothing & Housewife's Choice. THAT SUBJECT Was how Mark C's Mum described him at an impromtu mini-picnic outside a Soho pub after the Hefner in-store. An epithet that upon reflection could be applied to more than one Sinisterine. Another quote for the footer, Princess Honey? PLEASE DON'T LET THEM MAKE ME BE A MONKEY BUTLER Is Monday open season on FYHC,YWLAP reviews? All those who have had carefully crafted appraisals of the new album stored in their Drafts folder for the past 2 months, please just be patient for a while & respect the feelings of the I Want To Be Surprised faction. Happy Trails, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keshi at xxx.it Sun Jun 4 10:02:27 2000 From: keshi at xxx.it (francesca) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:02:27 +0200 Subject: Sinister: the tragedy of the record store Message-ID: <017d01bfce09$10350180$9b751997@a07195> hi listees, it's been a while since my last post... well I haven't any real reason for write this post (sorry honey) a part for the fact that I'm really happy because I'll go to see a lovely group playing tonight. well I've seen them also last week (one of my friend like the guitarist so I think that I'll go to se them every time they'll play....) and I'm thinking that I am their official fanclub....:) they're good and the fact they're so not so famous make me think about belle and sebastian: how were they before being so famous? well my idea of famous maybe it's not normal... but well I started to imagine today one of their first gig: what was it like? there was nobody there with handmade T-shirt with scary phrases on it as 'b&s... I love ...(the name of one of them)'? (we have to do it for a classmate that is go on talking and talking about his group: if you want to know it's called aneurysm and they play something as heavy metal...). this guy is really offensive with people : he laughed at me because I was listening to a century of fakers and started telling me about GREAT HEAVY METAL... well I'd like to talk for a while about b&s. I bought 'legal man' last week and I have to say that I like it (I've seen also their video somewhere on internet but it wasn't too clear, but I'll never see it on tv so I can't go on complaining...). at the moment I love 'winter wooskie' and i go on singing it and all the people around me want to kill me (why? my voice is fantastic :) ) ah and I was forgetting to say that here in Italy in every magazine there are reviews about 'fold your hands...' (oh well is what a lovely magazine said in its review that ended with a great controversy about Italian music magazines and I think it's right but I don't like to read it at the end of a review) ah in my new favourite record store geometrid had a great success (they had finished it and so I had to wait next week to have it... :( ). ah sad thing the one at the record store say that I have to wait until July to have 'fold your hands...'. it can't be possible!!!! please tell me he means June/next week when he said July.... well it's all cheers francesca +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From better_than_buffy at xxx.com Sun Jun 4 12:43:35 2000 From: better_than_buffy at xxx.com (sp*rkle horse) Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 11:43:35 GMT Subject: Sinister: to sleep perchance to dream Message-ID: <20000604114336.42111.qmail@hotmail.com> Afternoon everyone :) Last night I was have real trouble sleeping, I decided to read about calvinism in france in the 16th century [joyous I know] till about 12.30 and I still couldn�t sleep. It was pouring with rain outside and my room kept lighting up from sudden bursts of lightening. So 1.30amd and I was still awake. I put on isobel and then was soon gently waved off to sleep. Cue my b&s dream which I have to share because it was so damned odd. You know when a dream feels so real to you, even when you wake up? Well struan and I were sitting in a jazz caf� type thing whilst the rest off the band were playing. I thought it was odd that struan wasn�t on stage but I didn�t query it! Then this is the funniest bit. We seemed to be on the set of something like �open house� with gloria huniford [arrgh channel 5 sorry!] and remember lee and herring on �good morning with richard not judy�? well, richard herring was standing there and saying �today I�m going to tell you all about tiger milk�! [for any of you that remember that feature!] It was tr�s amusant, I was upset that I couldn�t think of something that funny myself. back to the amths now. It�s quite worrying because my exam is on Tuesday and I�m STILL waiting for epiphany. I just can�t seem to find her anywhere. L-O-V-E hib xx ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samwaltonyeah at xxx.com Sun Jun 4 14:49:59 2000 From: samwaltonyeah at xxx.com (Sam Walton) Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 13:49:59 GMT Subject: Sinister: Sunday Times article on B&S Message-ID: <20000604134959.23427.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi there all. I've just read this in the Sunday Times, and thought that y'all might be interested. This Cairns character seems alright after all, and it's nice to see the Sunday Times name-check us lot as a link to look at. Hurrah indeed. That'll be another 200 additions to the list then..... Belle & Sebastian are a pop enigma. Dan Cairns tries to crack the code There can be little doubt that things are shifting up a gear for the Scottish septet Belle & Sebastian. First OK! magazine picked their latest offering, Legal Man, as its single of the week, then Pete Waterman, patron saint of teenyboppers, branded them "cheesy pop stars". Ouch. It's a jungle out there, and nobody familiar with the reclusive group will be in the least surprised if they feel tempted to scurry back inside their Glasgow shell and play their Beatles-meets-the-Smiths indie pop exclusively to each other, never to venture forth again. Yet, with their sitar-drenched single heading for the Top 10 and their most commercial (and finest) album to date, Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like a Peasant, out tomorrow, there are signs of an unstoppable momentum that will deny the band any say in the matter. This impetus began at last year's Brit awards, when B&S controversially took the best-newcomer prize from under the noses of Steps, whom Waterman, of course, produces. At the time, the man who gave us Rick Astley cried foul, claiming he'd been tipped off by organisers that his act had won, and accusing B&S of rigging the internet vote with the help of their tech-savvy army of fans. Stuart Murdoch, the group's lead singer and chief songwriter, isn't going to let this lie. "They're sort of freaks," he says now of Steps. "They're not like teenyboppers, they're like a strange holiday-camp group." Murdoch is talking in the incongruous, purple-plush surroundings of the 10 Rooms in London, where journalists and fans have gathered for B&S's first-ever Q&A. It's a strangely stilted affair that, far from shedding light on a notoriously media-shy group, serves instead to confirm suspicions and deepen confusion. The slightly unreal atmosphere is reinforced by the physical gulf between audience and band. One of the things that seems to have enraged people about B&S is what they perceive as the band's cliqueyness; that feeling, as a new listener, of intruding on a private gathering between firm friends. Seeing the band sitting behind their raised table, seven talking heads conferring and sniggering like contestants on University Challenge, clearly reopens old wounds for some. Two questioners, in particular, become increasingly worked up, and it is interesting to observe the effect this has on the band dynamic. In what may be a foretaste of the ordeals their imminent celebrity will bring, there are moments when conferral shades into disagreement, while at other times they close ranks in a display of petulance seemingly at odds with their customary serenity. In the process, the door on the private world of Belle & Sebastian is opened just a crack. When accused of dodging the responsibilities afforded them by their fame and status and opting instead for fey, apolitical detachment, the hitherto slightly self-satisfied smile is wiped off Murdoch's face and a fresh diatribe launched, against Primal Scream. Soon afterwards, the event is brought abruptly to a halt. So why on earth are a band who don't give interviews and do their best to avoid being photographed together suddenly volunteering to meet the media? Isobel Campbell, B&S's cellist and co-vocalist, and, with Murdoch, arguably the most watchful guardian of their indie chastity, is blunt. "We thought if we did this, people wouldn't come looking for us when the next album comes out." "We wouldn't get away with this in Scotland," Murdoch adds. "Everyone would be like, who the f*** do they think they are?" Hardly a charm offensive, then, but refreshingly honest all the same. In any case, the band's most important relationship is not with the press but with their fans, the very same people who turned out in such force to upset Waterman. Fiercely loyal and, perhaps inevitably, with a touch of the anorak about them, they march in step with the band they follow. At their own true-believers' get- togethers, which have names such as 200 Troubled Teenagers, they trade tales of how much someone has just paid for a copy of the band's 1996 debut album, Tigermilk, of which only 1,000 copies were originally pressed. And if, as has happened more than once, B&S choose to spend most of a concert either tuning up or chatting with each other, that's fine by the fans. The enraged ticket-buyer who shouted "You'd better be f***ing good" when the band finally took to the stage hours late at a show in London last year was rounded on; not physically, you understand, but with impassioned, hand-wringingly earnest counterblasts of terrifying fervour. The arguments continued, long and loud, throughout the performance. Hang on a minute, you think, this is a pop group we're talking about, not the continuing dispute between Ethiopia and Eritrea. Why are people so exercised by Belle & Sebastian? And what is the band's attitude to their detractors? "F*** 'em," is guitarist Stevie Jackson's succinct riposte. He rebuts critics' claims that the band's coyness is a marketing tactic. "We don't have a manifesto, we don't sit down in a room trying to work out how to intrigue people or piss them off." There seems no reason to dis- believe him, though the choirboy-voiced one-time boxer Murdoch is an altogether more complex creature. Combining a self-consciously ironic demeanour with the look of a pugil- istic puer eternus, this is the man who can just as easily bang on, in his internet diary, about which fish he bought at M&S as write new songs as stark and unflinching as The Chalet Lines - an account of a woman's rape - or as poetic and haunting as I Fought in a War, and Don't Leave the Light on Baby. But maybe that's our problem, not his. Just because he spends his days practising his craft as one of the most gifted and original songwriters in Britain, it doesn't mean he has to go without a nice piece of fish for his tea. Or stop telling us about it on the B&S website. What it may mean now, though, is that he will never be able to push his trolley around the aisles unrecognised. www.missprint.org/sinister (Unofficial) website where B&S fans come out to play Well, it's coverage at least.... love, Sam.x "Caught my brain in my zip, let my intelligence slip" - Stephen Jones ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Sun Jun 4 12:47:54 2000 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 13:47:54 +0200 Subject: Sinister: =?Windows-1252?Q?Le_Myst=E8re_des_Voix_Welsh?= Message-ID: <000201bfce5c$9ad310e0$05a8243e@itjfvkli> Who was in the gorilla suit? That's easy. What happened was this: - whilst relaxing before the show, Tom Jones caught a glimpse of lovely Isobel and asked if she'd keep a welcome in her valley for him after their respective performances. Isobel replied that she was sorry but she never cops off with Welsh perverts, so sod off you sheepshagging taffy tosspot. Tom, used to getting his own way with the ladies, was naturally fuming, sitting in the corner moaning why can't this crazy love be mine and so on. Ever the ruthless businessman, Staurt Murdoch spotted his chance and went over to whipser in the Cardiff Lothario's ear. He offered to sort him out with Isobel, school uniform and the lot, in return for the chance to do a fantastic LLPJ duet on Tom's next duet album of duets. Staurt's plan was for Tom Jones to dress up in a gorilla suit and attack him during "Legal Man". Staurt would then use his boxing skills to deck the fucker. Isobel, true to form, would think it was a real gorilla and take it back to her dressing room to look after it, and Tom Jones, without ever removing his gorilla suit, would cunningly seduce her and make love to her, or at least get a look at her knickers, before clambering out of the window and shinning up the drainpipe. Unfortunately Stuart hit him too hard and gave him priapism and he had to go and see a Harley Street nob specialist instead of getting his end away. So there, another mystery solved. You say there's a prize for this? Speaking of underwear, a listee who shall remain nameless suggested I make a periscope out of a cornflakes packet and two mirrors. Well thanks, Big Dave, if I had a cornflakes packet that big, I wouldn't need a periscope because I'd spend all day marvelling at my enormous cornflakes packet. An interesting article in the paper yesterday, regarding a new publishing emporium, called Attack Gore. They've published books called "Satan, Satan, Satan" and "Sex, Sweat, Blood", described by The Big Issue as "an attack of sex, drugs and violence that make Quentin Tarantino look like Mary Poppins". The article concludes, "In October, "Tits Out" by Steven Wells will appear." Now there's a turn up. Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nessamalone at xxx.net Sun Jun 4 22:36:10 2000 From: nessamalone at xxx.net (nessa) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 22:36:10 +0100 Subject: Sinister: gorillas and plenty of rude References: <000201bfce5c$9ad310e0$05a8243e@itjfvkli> Message-ID: <003401bfce6c$ff0b8c80$d4e4869f@p5l9l8> subject: swells *yawn* > An interesting article in the paper yesterday, regarding a new publishing > emporium, called Attack Gore. They've published books called "Satan, Satan, > Satan" and "Sex, Sweat, Blood", described by The Big Issue as "an attack of > sex, drugs and violence that make Quentin Tarantino look like Mary Poppins". > The article concludes, "In October, "Tits Out" by Steven Wells will appear." > Now there's a turn up. they all ready have. teenage tits out terror totty. Its good in a supremely crap way. Like, vaguely entertaining for a few minutes and then it makes yr brain crash with teh sheer effort of trying to bother to fucking read it. Sort of like reading 18 bad steven wells nme articles back to back. Its very adolescent rude and therefore kinda boring after a while. subject: la 'gwai will someone else *who likes mogwai* help me define mogwai? In words? its actually an amazingly difficult task. 'they're quiet... they're loud... they don't have words... they're amazing?'. Now that is *gifted*, I must say. + more gorillas the gorilla suit, was in fact, stuart d. thats the most *logical* explanation. Or it was billie, letting off a bit of steam after that whole ineedtheloo dance routine she did beforehand. Bon Jovi... I haven't laughed so hard at old men in such a long time. Apart from Tom Jones, both because of peter's theorising and the 'sex bomb' song in general. What do Steven Wells + Tom Jones have in common? And its not missing/false teeth, kids. nessa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From feathermeat at xxx.com Sun Jun 4 23:09:10 2000 From: feathermeat at xxx.com (Melissa Williams) Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 18:09:10 EDT Subject: Sinister: A funny little bit of vulgarity Message-ID: <20000604220910.96450.qmail@hotmail.com> "Gray's Anatomy" by William Logan O doctor, dear doctor, my husband, he calls them the rudest names. He calls mine Annie Oakley. He calls his Jesse James. I love to squeeze his Cutty Sark as he rounds my Cape of Good Hope, but why must he leak his fountain pen in my business envelope? And why are these Egg McMuffins, and why is that steak tartare? And why does he say my rack of lamb has the smell of caviar? He loves to lift my Dixie cups. He leaves my bacon charred. He drives my little rental car by inserting his MasterCard. He wants to put his dessert spoon into my raspberry fool or take his New York minute inside my Liverpool, or put his plug in my outlet, his sirloin in my roaster, his dreadnought up my river mouth, his toolbox in my toaster. Whenever we're in the bedroom, he whispers in my ear that I'm his drowning Ophelia and he's my young King Lear. And then he strips me naked to kiss my razor clam or puts his thumb like a diplomat deep into Vietnam. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% % ...We wanted to be born % % % % once, don't we want % % to be delivered again, % % even knowing the nothing % % % % love may come to? % % O Lucky and Buddy and Red, % % we put our tongues to the world. % % % % --Mark Doty, "Shelter" % %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From idleberry at xxx.com Mon Jun 5 09:24:53 2000 From: idleberry at xxx.com (idle berry) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 01:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: joy joy, its Monday again Message-ID: <20000605082453.8074.qmail@web615.mail.yahoo.com> Hello everyone, currently sitting somewhere in Bournemouth at the moment, having spent a lovely week with boyfriend (aka tigermilker Mark ... http://www.geocities.com/idleberry/wedding.jpg ), not doing a lot, enjoying the company in bed at night, and having a great time. And alas, I have to head back to the sunny climes of Norwich later today, and with an exam tomorrow, thought I'd just do a sinister mail. Consider it a holiday postcard.. Take it you all saw B+S on totp. Thought.. thats only one vowel different from titp. Anyway, back to the subject. So, there was Stuart, bouncing away merrily, and I decided he dances like a pal of mine, usually when shes high on something. So where next, for the Secret Seven of the indie world? Heres hoping for at least a bit of Saturday Morning kiddie TV action. And who was the chap in the gorrilla suit, and ideas? This is going to be a busy week for me, I finally get to move out of the house that I share with the flatmates. Asked the folks to come down as soon as possible to collect me, gotta get out, and into the sunshine... And I am excited. Can't wait to leave. Counting the days. Today, I'm travelling, tomorrow, I have an exam, I think, better find out what time and where it is though. ;) Yes, i am that organised. Then its time to pack up little ted (for he goes everywhere I go since 1978), and my candles, and get ready to depart Norwich. Then its a bit of job hunting, cos I'm stealing money at the moment, and really, I need to pay it back. By that, I mean, cashback from the shops cos the cashpoint says I'm all run out. Don't think I'll manage the sinister meet up. :( Unless you lot want to reschedule, but for little ol' me, I doubt it. Next week, I am sorting out my nationality, to tell Norway that I am Norwegian, and can I have a number, cos look, I'm related to my mum. So, today is the day you've all been waiting for... unless you downloaded MP3's, or borrowed copies from friends in the know. Its FYHCYWLAP day! yay! I'll have to wait though. No money. Just enough, I hope, to buy me a pack of fags, something to drink, and bite to eat at the Bowl. So, I'm wondering, what you're all going to think. All I can say is that I heard some of it, and it sounds quite cool. Each B+S album seems to be a move on, a new direction, with the same map, and this is the same. Its quite a loveable album, from what I've heard. And I shall be buying it, cos I think its worth it. I know its not long til I see him again, but I wish I didn't have to leave Bournemouth today. love you later, idles __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From burns_alan29 at xxx.com Mon Jun 5 10:32:57 2000 From: burns_alan29 at xxx.com (Alan Burns) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 09:32:57 GMT Subject: Sinister: Oaarrr, the cost of an album them days... Message-ID: <20000605093257.95891.qmail@hotmail.com> What's everyone else being charged for FYHC? I've just returned from downtown where it cost me �9.79 for the CD in Coda. That was kind of the cheapest place I could find; Avalanche, where my loyalties normally lie 'cos of a good bloke I know who works there, are doing it for �9.99, so it's only because of severe financial difficulties that I need to scrimp and save just now whenever possible. Well, to be honest, I just spent the 20p difference on a packet of Polo Fruits. But anyway, Avalanche don't open until the back of 11 anyway. And like I said, it's my sad musical trainspotter nature that demands I buy all the new albums I'm after on their first day of release, and as soon as possible; then thereafter there's a kind of extra special attachment to them, y'know, 'cos of all the older music that I normally listen to, whenever I buy a brand new album it's like I was there at the time it was around at. There's probably a far better way to explain that, maybe one that actually makes grammatical sense to start with, but you know what I mean. In the past, albums I've bought on first day of release include Monster & New Adventures by REM, What's The Story Morning Glory, The Great Escape by Blur, A Thousand Leaves by Sonic Youth, OK Computer by Radiohead, and (whisper it) Blue Is The Colour, at the height of my Beautiful South phase....and there is a special feeling about them all now, and I can remember what I was doing at the time too. Anyway, that was fairly long-winded. Right now, I've had the good fortune to find a free computer in our college computer lab which has a CD player attached to it, so this is my first listen through the album as I type this. Obviously, I can't take it in properly this time, so what I'm listening for this first time through is mostly the musical arrangements, which sound really nice; Isobel's voice, beautiful as ever; and whatever lyrics I pick up. So far, Stuart singing a line like "it was the best sex she ever had" sounds hilariously risible and ill-suited to his wee voice, but no doubt it'll make better sense once I can get a handle on what the song's actually about. And I haven't heard too many vocal harmonies like what I just heard in "Don't Leave The Light On Baby" from B&S before; that was lovely. No doubt it'll all turn out to be a good grower. Anyway, I should go and do some studying towards my Media Studies exam, which is at the "we'll shove you artsy fartsy wasters in wherever there's space" time of half past five this evening. And thereafter bask in my personal life finally settling down again, thank goodness, after a lot of stuff being sorted out the other night. Phew. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From i_love_moon at xxx.com Mon Jun 5 10:38:53 2000 From: i_love_moon at xxx.com (Johan Nilsson) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:38:53 +0200 Subject: Sinister: i guess i'm just a little too sensitive References: <65.5133584.26695730@aol.com> Message-ID: <20000605093801.94376.qmail@hotmail.com> sappy airport scenario (short version); it's funny how people get inseperatable in short times, i had only known her for about six months. and still that day we felt pretty damn uninceperable. we got three extra hours because the plane was late but what does three hours really do when law probits you from seeing each other the nearest three-five years. i didn't really do any crime. i just stayed with my love, that was my crime. two months past my visa and now i am looking towards about at least a year before we can see each other again and probably at least three until i can go back to america. i don't really miss america that much / i miss some quality products as mandarine and pinacolada slurpees and a resturant in san francisco called golden era. isn't it funny though, how people try all their lives to find a love one; and when we do we are not allowed to be together. well it is time to look beyond it. i was going back to sweden. we had promise each other not to cry. we do so often when we talk about it, but it is really a crime to cry? isn't it just a beautiful way to express emotions? or maybe i am just a little too sensitive. landslide (the song); i totally thought that landslide was a belle and sebastian song. it however appears to be a song by tony clark - which not belle and sebastian is the only band to have covered. if i remember correctly vic godard's subway sects did the same. are stuart a subway sects fan? i know that alan horne liked them. something beginning with o (the book); good book to read on planes. johan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From GardeningAtNight at xxx.com Mon Jun 5 12:04:31 2000 From: GardeningAtNight at xxx.com (GardeningAtNight at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:04:31 EDT Subject: Sinister: twee-training courses meet nightly at the sinister pub Message-ID: <5f.6167937.266ce33f@aol.com> I love you Sinister. You are my bread and butter. Something cheery to read during last week especially, which was a stressful week for me, during which my French teacher made me cry in front of everyone and I ran on no lunch or sleep but at least I had plenty of pimples. I've got until Wednesday and I'm free from school for a time at least. And each day ends at noon so I may just get flappyclap earlier than usual (a whole 5 hours, wow). This weekend was grate though, it was full of B&S (at least more than usual). 1. On Saturday I went to Vintage Vinyl, and while looking through the B&S section the lovely DJ lady put Legal Man on the PA. So of course I screamed "owww!" like the guy who sings that "I Feel Good" song and started singing and dancing like I thought a Maisonette might. I wasn't quite that flamboyant but I definitely did some damage. There were two girls in a corner doing weird 80's dances too and were as excited as I was probably. But of course I was too shy to go near them. They played Dick Slap too, which I think is the best song on the EP. I wished it had been the extended version though, because whoever said that the trumpet is orgasmic is right, I'd been searching for a word to describe it but that's perfect. 2. I had what I think was my very first B&S dream last night. I was in the basement of a mansion with some woman who was my friend I guess, and we were trying to figure out how to make fudge because we were having guests. She said she tried using 2 parts chocolate orange and I yelled at her that it was all wrong. So I poured in a box of Wheat Thins but that obviously didn't help either. So we went up the stairs, and who was in the hallway? Stuart Murdoch. So she started talking to him as if she'd known him all her life, and then turned to me and said, "Oh Stuart, this is Samantha. Samantha, this is Stuart Murdoch." And I shook his hand trying to contain myself and then I said, "I love your voice, and your songs, they're just grate." And he blushed and looked embarassed and said "thanks." But in the dream he had the singing voice of Lawrence from Felt. I don't remember how it happened, but suddenly we all were dancing, I danced with the woman and with Stuart. I think it was square-dancing. I kept worrying that he'd think my hands felt funny, for some reason. So then we went upstairs to a family room where the band was sitting on the floor, but the only people I recognized were Stuart and Isobel. And for some reason I played the bass parts, but on an acoustic guitar. We played Paper Boat, and then afterwards they argued about which song to do next until Isobel shouted, "Enough! We're playing 'Surtout'!" which was one of her own songs, and I think it means "usually" in French but I forget. It was a very quiet song and I kept worrying that I was playing too loudly. I looked at Struan, and his head looked shrunken kind of. It looked like it does in that picture they always show with NME articles online except he wasn't grinning madly. And then we all left, and it was over. That was long. Anyway, I'll wrap this up. I showed the Sinister website to my best friend and she looked through the archives, and she seemed really confused. Then she turned to me and said, "what are you people talking about?" She needs twee-training or something, she's a fan but she's got a long way to go ;) Samantha +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From m.hester at xxx.uk Mon Jun 5 12:34:07 2000 From: m.hester at xxx.uk (Hester, Mark (ELS)) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:34:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Bye for now Message-ID: Hi, >Re: Sinister: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 16:55:29 +0100 So that's what happens when one posts without a subject line. So now I know. I thought I could hear a faint voice in my ear saying "People won't read your posts if you don't give them a subject line" in the same tone of voice as my mother saying "the girls won't like you with spots on your face" back in my miserable teenage acne-covered days, but lo and behold I got more response than to my normal posts! Calumn's picnic pics were GRATE.....in general, but oh dear, there are two only featuring me; one of my back and the other with me looking VERY SERIOUS INDEED. I was trying to remember the conversation with Vicky who, incidentally, looks very serious as well. I think the photo was probably taken at the point when she'd asked me what I thought of "Beyond the Sunrise". At that stage I think I'd only heard the album once and so matching song titles to songs was rather difficult and her supposedly elucidating "That's the country and western one" only served to obfuscate. Does anyone else think this is a fair description of the song? Later I heard it described as "like the theme to a Western" which probably comes closer. I don't know. It's my least favourite song on the album, BTW. I actually endured the top 40 to hear the latest placing of "Legal Man" and alas, as Steve said, records don't go up the charts anymore. Is that because radio stations play records further in advance of the release date than used to be the case? I'm afraid I'm going to unsubscribe for a little while, at least until I come back from holiday. I can however be reached on my other e-mail address which is mark_e_hester at hotmail.com Hopefully I'll see some of you Toronto listees at Blowup or the Stereolab gig at the warehouse...... Mark. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fatslug at xxx.com Mon Jun 5 12:44:46 2000 From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:44:46 -0700 Subject: Sinister: flap your wings child, you squawk like a parakeet Message-ID: hello folks, the strangest thing happened this morning. there i was, sitting at home, minding my own business, and trying to listen to the new album by belle and sebastian, when all of a sudden there's this loud tapping at the window. gave me a right shock i can tell you. for whatever reason some damn fool had sent a bloody parrot to annoy me. so anyway, i'm more of a fan of waterfowl than exotic birds, and naturally chose to ignore the blighter, turning up the record player in the hope of drowning out the tapping and squawking and flapping about. but its a persistent bugger, bloody hours it was there for, and those cats from next door were sitting patiently below waiting for it to get knackered. well, i'm not going to spend my afternoon cleaning up after the cats, so i had to open the window and let the bloody thing in, didn't i? so here's what happened next... i gave it some water and it asked for a cracker and i told it to bloody well piss off and leave me the hell alone, but it says: "oh no kevan, i am the poetry parrot and i cannot leave until you have posted a poem to the sinister mailing list." "bollocks to that, " i replied, "i bloody hate poetry." "tough," says the bird, "cos i'm not going anywhere until you do." well its already shat all over the carpet and clawed a hole in the curtains, and i just want shot of the bloody thing, so here's a poem. These days come before spring: the meadow rests under thick snow, the dry trees rustle gaily, the warm wind soft and resilient. The body marvels at its lightness, you do not recognise your house, and the song that annoyed you before, enraptured, you sing as new. Anna Akhmatova 1915 well, that seems to have satisfied the parrot, it just flew off again squawking something about how jess has been calling for it. bye, kevan wet fun... http://www.splishsplosh.co.uk/ *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. http://www.chickshops.com boutique shopping from chickclick.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frager103 at xxx.com Mon Jun 5 12:54:02 2000 From: frager103 at xxx.com (Head in Clouds) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 04:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Alone with everybody Message-ID: <20000605115402.7034.qmail@web3402.mail.yahoo.com> Hi List, I'm not sure but it seems to me that people who listen to nostalgic/melancolic music tend to shut theirselves away from the world. In fact, their world is their room if it has a stereo or a walkman if you don't have a room with a stereo. I'm not saying that it's bad. I'm just saying that sometimes loneliness is a natural consequence of melancholic music. There is a link here. Sex is just an aspect of it. smile. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clb112 at xxx.uk Mon Jun 5 13:13:32 2000 From: clb112 at xxx.uk (clb112) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 13:13:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Damn you Message-ID: <393B996C.52FFC43E@york.ac.uk> Damn you, Sinister, stop distracting me. FYHCYWLAP Gonna bus into town sometime this afternoon, but won't have anything to listen to it on till I get home later. Can't wait... WAKING UP PARANOID Does anyone else who isn't normally paranoid have days when they are ? Some days (like today) I trip over my feet when I walk and can't look anyone in the eye. I'm even paranoid that you all hate me from my emails. My housemate points out that being paranoid is self-indulgantly wrapping up in yourself, and she's right (she always is). Most of the time I'm not*, only every now and then. HOPE THE MORNING COFFEE DOES THE TRICK The cafe was really full so I had to sit at another girl's table. She had a headscarf on. We both had pots of coffee, and I felt a bit silly because I left a puddle of coffee and she didn't spill a drop. When she got up to leave she gave me the most beautiful smile, but because it was so unexpected all I did was grimace. You know how sometimes you come across people who you know you could be really good friends with, but your paths will just never cross ? Well, it was like that. I'm not trying to be twee or anything, its how it was. BALDING PERVERT My housemate is having an affair with her married lecturer and he keeps lurking outside at night because he's too scared to come in. His name is "Ralph". ARISTOTLE Can't leave library till essay is done (...but will probably just trot home to listen to FYHC). If anyone knows anything about Aristotle's four causes please mail me with your wisdom. Waiting till darkfall so I can run round the sportstrack without anyone seeing me... Lots of love Caroline xxx * Paranoid I mean, not right (though maybe that too...) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jellybabs at xxx.com Mon Jun 5 13:19:05 2000 From: jellybabs at xxx.com (Katy Dutton) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 05:19:05 PDT Subject: Sinister: Felchyplopcrapflapwooooooh I like it! Message-ID: <20000605121905.416.qmail@hotmail.com> Bluddy grate. Bluddy bluddy grate. Arrggghsfoiureout it's so good! I've already listened to it three times, and I love it. Especially 'I Fought In A War', 'The Model', 'DOn't Leave The light On Baby' (do you notice a Struan pattern emerging here?). They're all great songs though (did we expect anything less, hmm?). On 'Beyond The Sunrise', Stevie sounds scarily like the bloke out of The Handsome Family. Right anyway I guess this is pretty pointless, because you'll all have it, love it etc etc. I just...argh! Happiness! This is like a repeat on seeing them on TOTP all over again. Kisses to you all (all of you! But especially my lovely boyfriend Mr Howie)... Katy x ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jellybabs at xxx.com Mon Jun 5 13:37:41 2000 From: jellybabs at xxx.com (Katy Dutton) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 05:37:41 PDT Subject: Sinister: Oh, and one more thing...well, 3 or 4 Message-ID: <20000605123741.34501.qmail@hotmail.com> 1. Is the 'monkey butler' meant to represent Stuart David? And (I feel a whole list of things coming on now)... 2. Since when has Isobel taken inspiration from the Smashing Pumpkins? Witness: 'Cause I'm here in a cage With a bottle of rage' Hmmm. Sounds familiar. 3. As does a bit of music on 'I Fought In A War'. I'm trying to figure out what it's from (can't remember the name of the song), but it was some really popular 80's synth thing. It always makes me want to sing '...in the ordinary world' after Struan sings a particular line. Someone must know what I mean :) 4. Yay for Lisa :) 5. Sarah can write. And that's her singing, isn't it? It's good. 6. This is getting silly now. But - yay for Isobel too: 'If you're looking at me to start having babies Then you can wish because I'm not here to fool around' Ahem, I'll go now. Sorry everyone. Sorry Honey. Although it did take about 15 minutes. Honest. I'm just excited :) Katy x ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From starpiekat at xxx.uk Mon Jun 5 14:00:10 2000 From: starpiekat at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Sarah=20Clarke?=) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:00:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: You Don't Like Armenian Coffee? Message-ID: <20000605130010.11583.qmail@web1705.mail.yahoo.com> Dear you lot, I saw TOTP the other day, where were Daphne & Celeste?? Thats what I want to know. I think their single is out today, I implore you all to buy it. I didn't see any g'rilla during Belle'n'Sebastians performance, the only g'rilla I saw was wearing a spangly Union Flag top and was performing under the name of Billie Piper. Well it must have been a g'rilla, surely no human is capable of the depths of dance mediocrity I had to endure whilst miming tragically to some sub-Britney BOBBINS!!! Nice stage invasion during Legal Man tho, David Kitchen. Arf arf! A question. On the continent, in furrin universities right, where there are British exchange students, can I ask something...do British people tend to dress the same so you can pretty much guess (if you couldn't tell from the pallid faces and cucumber sandwiches) where they were from? As walking around my shit full of exchange students college, I see hordes and hordes of Spanish and Greek people, and they all seem to dress the same! White shirt, tucked into jeans, with loafers and a blazer type thing? Is this what the Yanks call "Eurotrash"? Bear in mind, in the UK, Eurotrash means ladies with big knockers eating knockwurst. Or Bratwurst. An exception to this rule would be Miss Aranzazu of Nottingham, who doesn't call herself Aranzazu anymore, which in my opinion is a crying shame. But she's a stylish chick. Oh I lie, the exchange students aren't all in the previously mentioned uniform, heres one with a spangly neckscarf. Just the right thing for a dinner party, in New Brunswick, in the Eighties. I have a smashing 8mm film camera. I'm going to go to the lake district in a few weeks, and I think it would be a good chance to make a brilliant silent film. Does anyone have a script, set in the lakes, that they'd like me to film? Or has anyone got any creative ideas they wanna pitch to me? My friend Frankie will be making a film also. I bet he has one of those new fangled "video" cameras, and doesn't even need a projector. What a LOSER! My film will be GRATE. "Better than that 'Eagle Spam' load of cobblers", punters are predicted. Ah...I see the future...the fleshpots of Cannes...the tosspots of the Lunding meejah (read that, Papercuts), and the hotpots of Lancashire... Eat my dust, you weed smokin' indie wimps! Sarah x ===== "But just remember, when your teacher told you to always find a home for stray animals, she wasn't referring to your rectum." -- DNA Mag-AZINE. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sophie at xxx.uk Mon Jun 5 14:12:31 2000 From: sophie at xxx.uk (sophie watkinson) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:12:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: a story about the boy who plays bass guitar Message-ID: you know when everything gets so frustrating and you get this spring in your stomach and it's about to break and you just want to hit something. well i felt like that on sunday. my mum said it might help if i went for a walk and took a break from revision. so i cued up my walkman with a tape of b&s eps and began to stroll off up the road up the big hill. it was llpj so i started quite fast (i know it's silly but its hard *not* to walk in time to the music). but as i got further up the hill the songs got sadder and everything seemed to be reminding me of the boy i like because we used to go on walks that way together. and he is the boy who plays bass guitar, so there is an obvious link there in you made me forget my dreams. so i started walking slower and slower and i got to this bit where you can see down over the town, so i stopped and was looking at the view, feeling all upset and nostalgic. i had my holey jumper on. and my hair was a mess. and my eyes were all tired looking from weeks of revision and lack of sleep. hell, if i'd stumbled across myself i would've been scared. this couple came jogging up the hill and saw me stood there in the rain. i didn't notice them at first because of my walkman, but when i saw them looking at me i tried to regain some air of sanity. i started to walk back down the hill taking a different path and stopped just out of sight so i could look at the view again without being stared at like an escapee from the local mental asylum. but they followed me down and were behind me so i had to walk down the hill which was so damn annoying. and they kept looking at me. i could feel their eyes on the back of my head and i just wanted them to go away. i walked the long way home because i thought i might bump into the boy who plays bass guitar because he lives around there. as i passed the entrance to the estate where he lived i saw a car and i looked in the passenger window and a saw a face. and for a second i couldn't see anything and my legs went to jelly and my heart was racing so fast. it wasn't the boy who plays bass guitar. the reflections on the window had distorted a face. but for a moment, i thought it was. my stomach was lurching and i thought i was going to be sick and even though i knew it wasn't him, my heart was beating so fast and the spring in my stomach had turned into a big knot. i felt like lying down on the pavement but there were people about so i went through the ginnel to find some solitude. as i went through the ginnel my neighbour walked past me and made a passing comment. i wanted her to go away. she did. and i sat next to the little stream and tried to think and was so engrossed in my walkman that i didn't hear the group of townies come around the corner. i jumped a mile when i saw them: i guess i wasn't expecting them. they laughed at me and they wanted to beat me up but their 'leader' had once borrowed a cigarette off my friend in the pub so he said they shouldn't beat me up, even though his friends wanted to. then my neighbour came back through the ginnel, from the opposite direction and i realised i musta been sat there for about 20 min. and i knew my neighbour was thinking "what the hell is she doing just sat there with her messy hair and holey jumper" so i jumped off the wall and sprinted home to get away from her. i felt like i was going to cry. all i wanted was a bit of space. so: this story is not in fact a story and has no beginning, middle or end. it's just something that happened to me on sunday when i had a spring in my stomach that was about the break and it's something that happens to me quite a lot on sundays, or on any day in fact. and writing it down makes me feel better. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From DKerr at xxx.uk Mon Jun 5 14:21:19 2000 From: DKerr at xxx.uk (Kerr, David) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:21:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Wow! I'm actually posting today!! Message-ID: <6062D80787FBD3118E4100104B92F49E058103@MAILSERVER> Alrighty Fellow Listees I haven't posted to the list since the dark ages and this is only about my third or fourth post ever. Went for my lunch about thirty minutes ago and bought the new B&S album along with the Delgados 'The Great Eastern.' I'm absolutely burstin' to listen to the B&S album. Haven't heard any of the songs on it at all. Sort of pissed off at the moment. There used to be music allowed in the office but that's all changed now. I used to love pay day when I was at work. Don't get me wrong I still do love gettin' paid but now that I can't listen to music it makes me want to curl up into a little ball and start cryin' while shakin' uncontrollably making strange noises that cannot be explained. Was that too dramatic? Anyhoo............I used to go and buy six or so albums at a time so I could listen to them while I was working. Now I feel naked without it! Well that's the last of my monthly wage gone. I was paid on Friday 25 May and now it's all gone except for £4.20 which I have in my pocket at the moment. At least I can still afford two cool pints of Dry Blackthorn. Mmmmmmmmmmm Dry Blackthorn. I tried for a loan last week from the Halifax and they knocked me back. I then tried applying on line from the Alliance and Leicester and guess what they knocked me back as well. Oh Lord, why do you mock me? So does anyone have any ideas where I could try next or do you think that the next step is a credit card? I was looking for the Looper album today 'The Geomotrid' and couldn't find it. Has this album definitely been released in the UK? I'm sure it was due out on the 8 May. Maybe its just the alcohol finally having an effect on me. Let's hope so anyway I need a bit of excitement in my life. While I'm on the subject of Looper. Is anyone going to the King Tuts gig on the 11 June? I really want to go but at the moment I just can't afford a night out in Glasgow. Quite sad isn't it. Well I'm outta here. Not an exciting post in the slightest but I haven't posted in sooooooo long that I thought I better say something. Peace Out Davie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From angel_blackwell at xxx.com Mon Jun 5 15:11:05 2000 From: angel_blackwell at xxx.com (the angel blackwell) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 10:11:05 EDT Subject: Sinister: buying vinyl without decks... Message-ID: <20000605141105.74217.qmail@hotmail.com> well, i'm safe at work after a rather long weekend in london...er, london ontario...needed a break from the bustling metropolis of toronto...hmmm...bought the 7" of legal man on the saturday...i had already downloaded legal man earlier but thought i'd got the wrong song...no, it was the right one...been singing the tune since, didn't pick up one bloody word though...then discovered i'd left the stoopid 7" in london...it's okay, i've got nothing the play the silly thing on anyway... i was bad and bought fyhc early...a lot of the stores here didn't get a release date for it, so they sold as soon as they received it...still haven't made up my mind on it...but i'm not the brightest of people so it's gonna take a while...found king of kissingdom singles,by mls, both of them, in a discount bin in dr disc...i was happy... you lot have changed my musical tastes immensely...in a paranoid reaction i brought front 242, sex gang children, and skinny puppy to work with me...i think they beat up nick drake though, his case was cracked when i got in... just wanted to say hi to leslie...i'm still here, with a few less brain cells... jean louis would like to say hi to joseph and all his other fuzzy little bretheren...he's getting a little homesick...i promised to take him to super furries... love and random body piercings... a very tired angel blackwell... PS, if anyone has any old andy capp cartoons, pls mail me... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From paul.ebblewhite at xxx.uk Mon Jun 5 15:17:43 2000 From: paul.ebblewhite at xxx.uk (Paul Ebblewhite) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:17:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Racing Message-ID: Hello Chaps, Its been an exciting day all round really. There was a cretain new album that even before purchasing i was smiling about. a rare thing. i was lucky, i knew it was good after hearing it in london the other day. still as i walked down the street to our price (i know they are rubbish but there are no independants in town) i couldnt help but smile, people must of thought i was mad. then added to this joy i have just found out that i am going for a company day out to the races! should be fun. i'll bet on any horse named judy. the only problem is that ive got to dress up smart for this racing thing. i'm not used to wearing a piece of silk around my neck, its restricting. still. i'll put up with it for the day! The funny thing is that i actually did dream of horses last night. must be an omen. adios. ebb +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clb112 at xxx.uk Mon Jun 5 16:15:46 2000 From: clb112 at xxx.uk (clb112) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 16:15:46 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Go the long way home... Message-ID: <393BC422.DF16425D@york.ac.uk> Okay, I know I really have to stop posting, but with all this poetry going on... A Bee his burnished Carriage Drove boldly to a Rose - Combinedly alighting - Himself - his Carriage was - The Rose received his visit With frank tranquility Withholding not a Crescent To his Cupidity - Their Moment consummated Remained for him - to flee - Remained for her - of rapture But the humility. (Emily Dickinson) Mmmmmmm, not sure, give me red-raw Sylvia Plath anyday... I've managed to read just about everything other than what I should be reading. Anyway, me and my mate just went into town to buy our spanking new copies of FYHC. And I bought a discman beacuse my walkman is bust, and because if I didn't I never would have made it back to campus (would have gone home to play it out to the street through my open window). I was planning to spend about £25, but the slick salesman (he had a ponytail - its true !) sold me a £60 "jog proof" one, and then accidental breakage cover on top of that, and THEN he tried to make me switch from BT to Cable & Wireless, at which point I ran... Me and my mate looked at hamsters (we're thinking of having inter-household co-guardianship), but after buying this damn expensive discman I'm not going to be able to afford to feed myself for a week, let alone another hungry little mouth...(But maybe next week - any suggestions for names ?) Anyway, I don't want to comment on FYHC yet because my first thoughts are unlikely to be my lasting ones, and because I've been stopping and starting and skipping about, and because my descriptions never match what I'm trying to say, and because this discman is tinny for all its price... Lots of love Caroline xxx P.s. Does anyone know who wrote that poem that starts with something like "Go the long way home" ? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LunaLilly at xxx.com Mon Jun 5 19:52:14 2000 From: LunaLilly at xxx.com (LunaLilly at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:52:14 EDT Subject: Sinister: I'm glad it's cool, becuase I have no air conditioner in my car Message-ID: <96.5b88323.266d50de@aol.com> I sincerely hope you can all excuse my pathetic post. I just have been thinking to much today and I can't wait till the night time to say some of these things. I am so mad I live in America because I can't get FYHC until tomorrow....not to mention that I am so low on money till Friday anyway. But I shall find a way. I am wondering today why everyone thinks it is nice to make me feel icky. Not everyone...but most of the people I have spoken to today. While sitting in a cafe reading about the origins of Hinduism...I started to think about the boy I have loved for 5 years......I am finally realizing that we just must not be together...he was very stupid today and he never appreciated the things I do for him and in the past 5 years he has changed so much.....all he thinks about is money. I was also listening to IYFS and how lovely Stuart Murdoch's voice is and it made me realize how I am falling out of love with this boy. How that is possible I do not know. Also...I didn't get to see TOTP and I am so sad for it. Does anyone have a copy that I can buy? So back to my mood.....grrrrr......I think I shall have a boyfriend free summer and wait patiently for my life to get very responsible this autumn when I will be living on my own and going to art school. For the moment....I am going to go to another cafe and waste a few hours. May you all have lovely days and nights. Olivia +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From david at xxx.uk Mon Jun 5 19:56:42 2000 From: david at xxx.uk (David White) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:56:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Good stuff... Message-ID: Got the album this morning and I have to say it's impressive. It sounds a lot more.. (thinks for a minute) mature. I don't know, it just seems more polished and better produced than the others. I hesitate to pass judgement on an album after only three listens but my instinct says that is going to be a good one. Shameless plug time... I have painstakingly redesigned my website and have introduced a number of new features and enhancements. www.belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk Discography: Each record is listed along with press reviews and much more useful (useless?) information. Information: As well as the band's story and quotes from the BBC's B&S doc from 1999, there are now listings of many of the bands press articles and interviews dating back as far as 1996. Vote: You can now vote for your fave album and EP and see the result so far. Discussion: The rapidly growing Belle & Sebastian discussion board now has over 30 posts (woohoo!) and is getting bigger by the day. Please give the site a visit and let me know what you think. I'm just trying to do my bit to spread the gospel according to Belle & Sebastian! Thanks Dave david at djwhite47.freeserve.co.uk www.belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dewar at xxx.uk Mon Jun 5 22:46:56 2000 From: dewar at xxx.uk (Dewar) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:46:56 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Rock Lagomorphs Message-ID: <001c01bfcf37$938b6400$551c883e@oemcomputer> Hello, I thought I would mark this momentous day by having my very first (if overdue) post. What a day to have a first post, eh? I bet nobody will notice what with the new album taking up people’s time and all. Anyways, I have a few points to make – some pertinent, some of no interest to man nor beast: Brief Introduction First point is my main one – I’m not actually just called “Dewar”. Is it possible to change that name or not? I should really know as I work in IT. Any solutions??? Please?? OK, now on to the real deal: The main reason for me joining this list I think, is to get to hear from, and meet, like-minded people. Obviously I’m sure that’s the same for everybody, but bear with me! I’ve finished my time at university in Glasgow and I’m back living in my home town of Perth (Scotland by the ways). This is not the greatest situation in the world, and it’s compounded by the fact that I am rank-rotten at my office job, even if it does pay the bills from my time at uni. I’d better not go on about it actually, as some people that work there may be on this list – hi there if you are!! It’s a familiar story, I know. Oh – that reminds me – fellow new-boy Ian Radcliffe from Perth in an all-too similar situation to me – are you the one that I know? That would be weird eh? In fact. if there are any other east coast(ish) B&S fans (or anywhere actually, let’s face it) then please make their presence felt to me. Come on – it’ll be great! Nice one. Ages of You If I sound like I am a moaning teenager, that would be strange – because I’m not. Which brings me on to my second point – I am 24 years old!! At first when I was reading the list the only ages that were being mentioned were teens, which made me feel a bit crappy, but then I realised that since there are over 1000 subscribers, there must be some old bastard out there! So come on old bastard – let’s hear from you! Even if it’s just to put my mind at rest! Now I see that age is not particularly important – y’all seem like an intelligent, sophisticated bunch, and it’s not like I act any differently to what I was like when I was 16. Arguably worse. My degeneration back into a teenager has been astounding since I left uni – I come home every day, take my uniform off and sulk around. I play music all night. I read my books on natural history. My favourite animal is a tuna by the way. Vastly misunderstood as an animal. Is that twee is it? Maybe. I Feel I have To Comment on the Old Twee Argument (skip if required) Which brings me on nicely to the third point – that of “tweeness”. I agree that it is a difficult thing to define, but I would go for it being a state of mind rather than there being anything specifically being part of a “Twee Uniform”. For instance, my friend dresses in clothes that could be described as twee (as I may do, I suppose) but you couldn’t really describe him as being a twee person. He has a rebellious "rock n’ roll" state of mind, in the same way that B&S do I reckon, so he is not twee. A twee person is more like a follower of excruciatingly safe, popular things to do and say without realising so, which I think does NOT exist among the people of this list. It doesn’t matter if you like bloody bunnies or not (I’ve had a few as pets) – you’re still all "rock n’ roll"!!! Just not in the traditional way!! Which is even MORE rock n’ roll!!! Rock rabbits!!! I take rock n’ roll to be a good thing by the way. It doesn’t refer to music at all. But maybe it should? I don’t know? Regal Mann. Legal Man – the sound of a band spreading their talent around (man). You’d all get bored if it sounded the same! I think it’s great. Come on – it’s what they’ve always wanted to do. And it’s done without being a sell-out in any way. Great TOTP as well – it did remind me of the clasisic Nirvana appearance. It certainly had all my mates smiling silently for 3 mins anyway!! FYHCYWLAP New Album – I sense that Beyond the Sunrise may be a real talking point in the next wee while. Can I just say that I think it is great, and one of the real highlights of the album. And this is from a staunch Murdoch-only vocal fan. I heard it for the first time last night on BBC Scotland’s Beat Patrol, and it stunned me. I haven’t had a song make me temporarily paralysed for aaaaaages. Lovely cinematic western music, but still manages to sound personal. How?? Smiths (John) I was saddened to hear Steven Pastel on the aforementioned beat patrol last night saying that John Smith’s bookstore is closing it’s doors soon. To those not au fait with this shop, it resides in the west end of Glasgow, and had THE greatest music department, Steven Pastel works there (from the Domino recording artists The Pastels), and I was always quite embarrassed walking in with my Chemikal Underground record bag for some reason. I now wish I had bought all these Pavement singles that they sold when I had the chance. Maybe they’ll have a clearout sale though!!! That would be great!!! Trivia Teaser I’ve got a really funny Richard Colburn/school anecdote by the way, but I think I’ll leave it until next time!!!! Ha ha! It’ll give me a good excuse to write again. Did that email sound too aggressive? I read it over and now I’m reluctant to press “send”. Oh well, here goes Thankyou for listening, Rafe!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Mon Jun 5 23:49:34 2000 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:49:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 1, 2, 2, 4, (7), 9, 10(!), 11, 11 Message-ID: <000701bfcf40$6f1580c0$881f073e@default> Hi Perfumed Ones, I guess not everybody gets those little postcards from the wonderful world of Jeepster, so for the benefit of those who don't, here's what the latest said (because it contains a joke) "Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant is the fourth album by Belle & Sebastian. Like the other three it has mainly been recorded at CaVa Studios in Glasgow. Like the last two, it was recorded by Mr Tony Doogan. This will be the last B&S album to feature recordings from Hyndland Church Hall due to its impending demolition. As it happens we were recording there less and less, but Stuart and Richard's eviction still makes this a sad day. Our errant bassist, Stuart David, has left the fold now. It was strange timing considering he had finally mastered the art of turning the pages of a book with his feet, thus eliminating the need to stop playing while he was reading. He plays on most of this album." Oh, and form an orderly queue here with offers of floors, and, er, other things, for the boys to sleep on :) Well done (or maybe Big Ups would be more apposite?) to a certain listee who shall remain nameless for giving me the biggest Bel-ly laugh in ages at the Tom "Gorilla" Jones story. I giggled so much I nearly wet myself, & then the kids just thought I was being a perv because they saw "Tits Out" on the screen. Brilliant. Now there's two of you with enormous packets to marvel at. Mr Chris, what did you do to get a credit on the album? Were you a bass notes double? Bye, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From enlid at xxx.com Tue Jun 6 01:02:51 2000 From: enlid at xxx.com (Vegard Enlid) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 17:02:51 PDT Subject: Sinister: Got my sunshine - I'll get by Message-ID: <20000606000252.90589.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi, all you lovely people. This is my first post, so bear with me. My name is Vegard, I�m 26 and living in Trondheim (Norway). After the noisy Swells/NME debate, I don�t know if I dare to tell you my current occupation. I�m a mainly a music journo (don�t kill me, please), but because I work as a freelancer in a daily newspaper, I also write about a lot of other stuff. I�m just back from a week�s binge with some mates from back when I was a student (2 years ago). I always look forward to these meetings. Mostly because I get the chance to see my beloved friends again, but also because I know I�ll be drunk for days. I guess we have this "romantic" view about some bohemian lifestyle. One of my best friends have this dream: When he gets old and rich, he�ll buy himself a house on the French Riviera. Then he�ll sit on his porch, look out towards the sunset and the sea, writing bad poetry and drinking himself slowly to death on expensive wine. We get all misty-eyed when we talk about this. A stupid dream perhaps, but it never fails to lift our spirits and help us down another drink. I also went to a class reunion this weekend (10th anniversary), and it was really a great experience. Almost everyone had done fairly well, even the "trouble makers". Everyone said I had changed the most. Not so strange, as I was just a tiny, invisible toe-rag back then. The situation reminded me a bit about the liner notes (or whatever you�d like to call it) on IYFS, you know the part about Chris Geddes, him playing the piano on national radio while the casuals are sweeping up in Burger King. Not that I�ve ever been close to playing the piano on national radio, of course. But it was really strange to see this newfound respect in their eyes. I don�t really bear grudges towards any of them though. They never bothered me much (I was just anonymous, not very geeky). One of the guys, who used to be the hardest in the class, a real pain in the ass, explained how he�d been totally neglected by his parents when he was a kid. He was so proud because he�d managed to get a steady job, a girlfriend and a kid he loved. He got really soppy, and it was a moving moment for a guy like me, who strongly believe that every human being has the potential to do good things. So, that�s the "once a cunt, always a cunt", theory down the toilet. Some of the people who didn�t do very well in school had great jobs and nice families as well. I also had this long, nice talk with the girl who was my girlfriend when we were 12 (we hadn�t seen each other at all for the last 8 years). You know, back then we didn�t have the nerve even to hold hands, and we certainly didn�t kiss (I remember just the thought of it used to make me so nervous I got sick). We really hit it off, and we ended up snogging. She said it was "pleasant" to see me again. In a strange way, I think that�s the nicest thing a girl has said to me for a long time. Certainly better than "cute" (a word all the girls used about me in school when I was nothing but a tiny mascot. I wanted to be "handsome" and "desirable", not "cute"). The downside of it (there�s alway one, isn�t it?): Her (huge) boyfriend plays centre-back for my beloved local football team. Maybe he�ll find out, get sad and play like shit for the rest of the season? Oh dear... Well, that�s enough from my messy head for now. I guess I�ll try the chatroom soon, but it really scares the hell out of me. I�ve never tried IRC before in my life, you see. I�m afraid it�ll all be in-jokes and slang I don�t understand. But some of you have been kind enough to invite me already, so it�ll be nice I guess. Love, Vegard *** Take me out tonight Because I want to see people and I want to see lights � The Smiths � *** P.S. The subject line is taken from a song on the latest Mojave 3 album. It�s lovely, and all of you should buy it� ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tigermilker at xxx.com Tue Jun 6 01:59:02 2000 From: tigermilker at xxx.com (Tigermilker .) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 01:59:02 BST Subject: Sinister: Unexplained monkey business Message-ID: <20000606005903.11710.qmail@hotmail.com> Katy Dutton said: >1. Is the 'monkey butler' meant to represent Stuart David? Well, for my money, I reckon the Gorilla attacking Stu is supposed to be Swells. I don't usually manage to figure these things out properly, so I'm probably wrong. But it seems to make sense to me. Someone please correct me with their incisive deduction, as I'm almost certainly mooing up the wrong lamp-post. Love Mark. (P.S. - I'll come clean, you might have guessed anyway, but this did not take 15 minutes to write. I did go over it and check for B&S content, spelling and grammar etc., but that's no excuse. I'm a bad person.) ******************************************************** "Would you like to Go Large for 30p?" - Ronald McDonald. ******************************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kpc98c at xxx.UK Tue Jun 6 05:18:31 2000 From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 05:18:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Pee on the sunrise Message-ID: <200006060417.FAA24923@missprint.org> Hello, Got my yellow/baige type coloured album today, went to the shop and saw this yellow/baige type coloured thing in the corner of my eye and I mustered all the hand-eye coordination of 5 years of juggling practice and grabed it. Then I paid for it and went home to listen to it and it's grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrate. The subject line is how one of my friends heard the lyrics.. the silly boy. Headinclouds said... >>I read a comment on B&s fans that made me think. That is, "people who listen to b&S are people who have a poor or non-existent sexual life".<< .. and Lawrence quoted... >> that teen fans of U.K. eighties band The Smiths have sexual intercourse about one-tenth as often as other teens.<< maybe one theory can be a simple one, B&S or Smiths fans have better taste in things in life. Your typical townie has tons of sex, but how many of them are from the Ming dynasty? Possibly loads. Just because they have sex less often doesn't mean they get less chances, maybe people who like B&S/smiths have better taste than ATB/bleepy music fans...... just maybe. Olivia asked... >> I didn't get to see TOTP and I am so sad for it. Does anyone have a copy that I can buy? << You can see the video on the web this week at http://www.bne.co.il/home/video/index.htm It's now 5am in the morning, I really should be sleeping... it's like after the sunrise now! Pillows and Redbulls (but only after sleeping!) Ken ====================================================================== There's a portrait in a back room, which I keep for days upon, which I relent and gaze for hours on the muscle skin and bone of some imaginary friend. - Belle & Sebastian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Indiefan99 at xxx.com Tue Jun 6 09:22:11 2000 From: Indiefan99 at xxx.com (Indiefan99 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 04:22:11 EDT Subject: Sinister: my first post and I'm so scared... Message-ID: <5a.62064c1.266e0eb3@aol.com> ...I'm terrified actually because the last time I loved a band and ran out to buy their new album on the day it was released, the album turned out to be "The Great Escape" I have not done the eager "day of" run to the record store since... Still, I have "buy new B&S album" on my to-do list for tomorrow (today), I mean, if I kept a list it would be on there. A few words about myself: - my name is Veronica - I am barely out of the nursery - I have been listening to Belle and Sebastian for about two years or more but I only fell in love with them these past six months, sometimes, for whatever reason, an album can just suddenly become important - I live in a smoggy suburb of Los Angeles - I read too many books for someone who is no longer in school - I have never had a B&S dream, in fact, I have only ever had one dream that featured a celebrity - right now I should be studying for the CBEST (California Basic Educational Skills Test) instead of messing about on the internet because I think I am going to teach, at least I was watching The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie the other night and it seemed like an interesting career choice - I think this has turned into more than a few words... love and all that, Veronica +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From DKerr at xxx.uk Tue Jun 6 10:43:49 2000 From: DKerr at xxx.uk (Kerr, David) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:43:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Two posts within' two days. No way! Yes Way!! Message-ID: <6062D80787FBD3118E4100104B92F49E05810E@MAILSERVER> How Y'all Doin'? This is extremely unusual for me. I very rarely post twice in a month never mind within two days. The main reason being I never have anything interesting to say. So you will all be pleased to know that there is no change today. I still have nothing interesting to say. But I'm stuck in an office until around 5pm this afternoon sat behind a desk doing piss boring office work. So I just thought writing a post to my fellow Sinister Listees would cheer me up. Office work really does get you down sometimes. I've said it before and I'll say it again: "Office work will drive you to drink!!" Not that I mind though. Nothing beats a good bevy session at the weekend or weeknights doesn't really matter to me. I was at my sisters wedding on Saturday and I was completely rat-arsed. I mean I didn't do anything to embarrass my family, I don't think I did anyway. But my dear old little mother was rather ashamed of me. She was also just a little bit angry. She actually said to me: "What sort of state was that to get in last night? You know you spoilt the wedding for me. After all the money I spent............Blah blah blah" What sort of thing is that to say to your loving son. Anyhoo.................. Onto the new album. What a blistering, sensational, superb new album!! I already new in my mind that I was going to love the album anyway. But it is absolutely fantastic. Locked myself in my room last night and put the album on repeat. What a wonderful night. Three songs that hit me right away were; The Model The Wrong Girl Women's Realm I don't know if it is just me but does the start of 'The Model' remind anyone else of 'My Wandering Days Are Over?' It's the tune in the background that just sounds very similar. Right. Ok. I'll be off then before anyone feels that they have to swallow some anti-depressants to keep them from going mad. If you did reach the end of this mail then I congratulate you. Thanks for your time people. Peace Out Davie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From paularathoon at xxx.com Tue Jun 6 12:29:25 2000 From: paularathoon at xxx.com (Paul Arathoon) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 12:29:25 BST Subject: Sinister: Looper. Need a rest do they? Message-ID: <20000606112925.85955.qmail@hotmail.com> So Stuart D needs a rest after 2 whole months of work does he. The lazy bastard. Cancelling most of the tour apart from Glasgow (home gig) and London (maximum sales revenue) is a shit thing to do. Jesus, most people work 9-5 jobs which knacker you out and would give anything to be in a band where, lets be honest it's hardly work intensive. 90 mins on stage A soundcheck Maybe talking about yourself to a couple of journalists. That's all they had to do. And they were supporting the Flaming lips, not headlining! Stuart's dislike of fans is well documented, especially those who only like Looper becuase of B&S. (which is quite a fair proportion of them) However to cancel a tour becuase of tiredness is crap. If he had a genunine excuse such as a real illness or a family tragedy (as happened to Gorky's recently)then cancel it by all means. Not becuase you fancy a break from the rigours of well, doing the job you have chosen. He's shat on the people who pay his bills. It's not even if the new album was a masterpiece. was he too tired to write some tunes or something? Paulxxx p.s apologies for the odd changes in tense. i am in a rush ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hewits at xxx.uk Tue Jun 6 10:33:07 2000 From: hewits at xxx.uk (stephen hewitt) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:33:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Who scored the winning goal in the 1966 world cup? Message-ID: <9188A3453EEED111BD7300805FEDEB690125A2E1@park_ex> Yaaaaawwwwnnnnn God, i'm knackered. This is what happens when you stay up til 1 in the morning staring at a computer screen. Why? Because of the MTV.com Belle and Sebastian webchat, that's why. And what a load of CRAP it was. It takes something like this to remember why it is we need music journalists. It was Chris, Richard and Mick answering the questions which were almost without exception banal, dull or just plain silly (and frankly the answers weren't a whole lot better). It wasn't as if questions were being asked and then the moderator was following them up to get a decent answer, it was just question, loads of waffle between fans, one line answer (the boys must be slow typers), more waffle and bitching about our questions not getting picked... The two most interesting points were they'd like the Chemical Brothers to do a remix and if Richard hadn't been a drummer he'd have tried to be a professional snooker playa (but i think we knew that second bit, didn't we?) Oh, and they haven't heard the new eminem single yet the transcript will be here: http://www.mtv.com/sendme.tin?page=/mtv/music/listening_party/belle_sebastia n/index.html at some point, although it'll just be the questions and answers, not the full 'tween fan bitching and 15 year old americans asking you for sex. Oh and some twat asked the question in the header, don't ask... sorry I couldn't get a full transcript, but i couldn't make it cut and paste... On that page they also have Realplaya video clips for Legal Man and Wrong Girl. The Wrong Girl vid is GRATE, what i can see though the Realplaya murk anyway, and it has funny subtitles, which I *think* are all Dylan quotes, Ms Waggner, would you care to confirm this :) Anyway, i am also feeling knackered because i am taking hayfever tablets and despite the claims of the nice woman in Boots they are making me feel like i am lagged to buggery as they do each year. And how come no one's mentioned There's Too Much Love. This is currently my FAVE track on the album, although I think it would be even better with another verse. ** Trivia Time ** Can anyone else think of another band who steadfastly refuse to release tracks off albums as singles? I'm drawing a blank, but i was wondering if there was a precedent. xoxo CarsmileSteve A glasto meetup is looking more and more likely, honest, click below to find out more :) http://www.egroups.com/group/siniglasto +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From idleberry at xxx.com Tue Jun 6 12:41:25 2000 From: idleberry at xxx.com (idle berry) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 04:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: its over!!! Message-ID: <20000606114125.29821.qmail@web617.mail.yahoo.com> right, well thats another year of univeristy behind me. As you can see, spelling wasn't something I learnt a lot of. Well, not in English. I didn't know what time my exam was today. I really could have done something earlier and sooner to find out, but alas, I'm a lazy ass, and I didn't. Anyway, luckily I checked my clock, which was reading PM rather than AM, when it was indeed, 1am. I think those dastardly flatmates have been fiddling there. Cos I Know I haven't... long story of conspiracy reasons as to why and how.... As me if you want, ask Mulder and Scully if you want aliens in the story. Anyway, no idea when my exam was, so I thought, as I sometimes do, I know, I 'll get up and pop in, but I'm sure its in the afternoon. Well I woke up, a little later than planned, bustled about, bussed myself into uni, checked the timetable on the notice board. TWO MINUTES TIME!! panic attack. Adrenilin rushes through, and I think... .oh no, I am getting a headache.. Anyway, make it to the exam hall, write away for all my hands can do and for all that my little brain can manage, writing things like "Mr Hague sniggered" and Ann Widdicombe purred". Then I got my project mark.. the big 5000 word one? got a good grade. Happy as a bunny. Got a good grade for Norwegian as well, which might be useful when the exam results return and bring my grade up to a pass. And now I'm sitting here, thinking, blimey, its my summer holidays no, what am I going to do? Its fun when I got other things to be getting on with, you know, cos wasting time is much more worthwhile then. Maybe I'll just pack my bags this week and think why I don't have to think anymore.... its scary. My life is now stress free.... well, once I'm out of the flat. Mark Tigermilker said something about a gorilla and Stu M. Well, my little tigermarker, you're a darling, but that seems a bit too Siggie Freud really. Are you suggesting that The gorrilla represents Steven Wells oppressed feelings of primative anger and behaviour retaliating against the happiness of Stu M? Are you suggesting that perhaps Steven Wells had parents like Stu M, and maybe this led to his rebelious revolt, and thus an anger and hatred for that which his parents represented? Are you suggesting that Steven Wells still hasn't gotten over the idea of being made to wear yellow dungarees with little flowers on the bottom and listen to Simon And Garfunkel, and has thus taken it out on Stu M? Or maybe he just looks at Stu M as a father figure... if you want my opinion, I think it was a stab at a scooby doo story. Could be amusing. lets see, scooby, shaggy, daphne, thelma, freddy.... and scrappy doo as well, but hes a bit crap really. We're just one character short of a B+S line up now. okay, toodle pops kiddiewinks! love, Idles ===== http://www.geocities.com/idleberry try http://welcome.to/nothingtowear for a change.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wayne_fortune at xxx.com Tue Jun 6 12:52:40 2000 From: wayne_fortune at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Wayne=20Fortune?=) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 04:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Reminder about EDINBURGH PICNIC!! Message-ID: <20000606115240.12551.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Apologies to everyone who isn't at all interested in this, but I thought it would be a good idea to remind everyone that the Edinburgh picnic is this Saturday (June 10) at 12 Noon underneath the Scott Monument. Please all come and we'll have loads of fun (honestly, I promise). Lots of love Ba Ba __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From imn_uk at xxx.uk Tue Jun 6 14:29:57 2000 From: imn_uk at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?ian=20nicolson?=) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:29:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: electricity comes from other planets Message-ID: <20000606132957.23240.qmail@web4302.mail.yahoo.com> ey oop! i've been kinda ultra-busy of late and not really been able to keep up with the list, so this morning i sat down and waded through 155 posts AND READ EVERY ONE OF THEM. so i'm going kinda mental now and my eyes are flickering a bit from staring at puter screens, but it was worth it, cause they were all ace, cause you're all such luverly people. etcetera. but having been so busy for these past few weeks, i'm pretty much finished college *forever* now, which can be quite exciting from the point of view that there's a whole big world out there just waiting for me to take it on, but there's also the big temptation of 'hmm, maybe i could just stay in bed...'. so i'm not quite sure what i'm going to do now and there's a big stretch of uncertainty and emptiness ahead i guess. i probably will just stay in bed for a bit. at least i've got the new album to keep me company. unlike a lot of you i hadn't heard it before yesterday, so it was dead exciting. i nearly ran from the record shop to the bus stop to go home, before realising that me running would only slow me down as i'd have to lie on the pavement for a bit to recover...i was a bit apprehensive as well, given what some people had written and the fact that it *only* got four out of five in the sunday herald, but i needn't have worried, cause it really is ace. and i'm pretty sure i'm saying that for real and not just cause i want it to be. it was pretty much on repeat yesterday and listening to it on my walkman on the bus this morning i was still getting goosebumps every two minutes (even with one earphone not working). i think 'there's too much love' got the biggest goosebump rating, although 'woman's realm' and 'i fought in a war' were up there too. but you knew this already. someone said that 'beyond the sunrise' would be most likely to cause list comment and i have to say i could probably have done without it, although it might grow, solely due to its silliness. and what does 'nice day for a sulk' remind me of? good to see a mention of the mightly fall, though (as john peel would say). 'don't leave the light on baby' is GRATE *and* different, so they are moving on, idiot music hacks. i'd luv to be able to get to the edinburgh picnic on saturday, but i'm not sure if i'll make it. my big f-off college leaving thing, with ballgowns, tuxedos and kilts and stuff, is on friday and me hungover is likely to scare the children. i should be looking forward to it, i guess, but i know that a certain person who's going will leave me hurt and disappointed yet again, which is not a nice thing to know or look forward to. so i'll probably spend saturday in bed listening to 'slow graffiti' over and over. not for the first time...but hey! my stoopid problems are *so* boring and maybe going to the picnic will make me feel better. i've never been to one before, and i'd really like to, so i'll try my best. doubt if i'll be eating much, mind... see yah luv ian n ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Tue Jun 6 15:28:42 2000 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:28:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: and I left my friends behind me, to go looking for the NME... Message-ID: <003f01bfcfc3$860af2a0$538f183e@default> Hi Twee Majority. *Edinburgh Picnic* Come on people, it's this Saturday, and it's gonna be an absolute kick-ass day (or prod-buttock day, if you're gentler than me ) *Amy Jackson* She's coming down to join me at the Edinburgh Picnic and the Looper gig - I hope you're all as nice to her as you were to me - I'm certainly looking forward to it *FYHCYWLAP* I was in the car, coming home, new album clutched tightly in my sweaty paws, when Mark and Lard played "I Fought In A War." They went on to tell the average listener that the new album is *better* than Tigermilk!! Now, I may not have listened to it as much as Tigermilk, and it *is* good, but it's never a Tigermilk beater, maybe if "Beyond The Sunrise" had been the b-side to Legal Man, and Winter Wooksie ( sorry Alasdair) swapped over, then it could have been a contender. But as it is, it just falls short. My estimation of B&S album greatness follows: (1) Sinister (2) Tigermilk (3) Peasant and finally (4) Arab Strap - despite this, though, I still love them all. *Stuart David being tired* I say leave the poor guy alone. I mean, true, the job isn't the most rigerous in the world, but when you take into account rehersals, soundchecks, and all the jetting around a US tour would involve, added to the Trans-Atlantic flight home, I can pretty much understand how he could be a little tired. And to the person who said Stu hates his fans - I've met him a few times, and he's been nothing but pleasant to me, even when I confessed to only coming to see Looper because of B&S connections. *Jeepster ignore me again* I have asked Jeepster *so many times* to add me to the postcard mailing list, and have sent that bluddy wee postcard in each album/single away every time, and they *still* keep me on e-mail only! I wanna postcard to stick on my wall!!!! ******My FYHCYWLAP poster was stolen!!!!!!!!!!!****** A few weeks ago in Glasgow's Tower Records, there was a Fishyclap poster on the wall, which I attempted to blag - the guy behind the counter said he'd give it to me if I came back a couple of weeks later, and took my name and stuff. I went back the other day to get it, and I was told that some evil villain had *stolen* it from the wall. I could have cried - I *wanted* that poster so badly! If the thief is on Sinister, I hope you feel ashamed of yourself! *checks clock and notices he's over 15 mins* That's me for now - cheerio xx --Jason Andreas If nice guys finish last, then I'll never finish at all... ICQ: 45821217 AIM: RadioJase +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rebeckas at xxx.com Tue Jun 6 16:03:14 2000 From: rebeckas at xxx.com (Rebecka popgirl) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 08:03:14 PDT Subject: Sinister: new sweet album Message-ID: <20000606150314.32901.qmail@hotmail.com> Hey sweet people Well I have yet not bought the new album but i managed to hear it in the local record shop. they played it all afternoon so I went in and out just to hear the songs. What can u do when u are a poor student i mean. The Legalman sigle is just great. Winter Wooksie is my favourite at the moment. It reminds me of myself. Waving to a boy I used to love. Anyway sson is summer coming along and I am looking for one of those portable record players to play my belle vinyls on. While having picnics with the ones I love. I't great to sit at Djurg�rden in summertime drinking whine with your best mates and singing belle songs. Sweet and innocent in a way I guess. I am saving to get to uk again..and US. God knows I'll never get there..hmm. One thing is good about the autumn. i get to move to my new flat. Want to say a sunny hello to all the people from last summers meetup in camed, Mark, Marcus, martin, Debbie, those two american girls and the rest of the gang. Hugs Becka in Sweden btw beckas band has a webpage go and listen to the tunes under gigs: http://cone.whaley.hem.netlink.se/ # go and have a peek at my page it's constantly developing, http://www.angelfire.com/me/Mizzy # ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin at xxx.uk Tue Jun 6 16:32:03 2000 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin Robinson) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:32:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Strength of Strings Message-ID: Hello knitters, Well, what a Belle & Sebastian day I had yesterday what with the new album coming out and then chatting with Richard, Chris, and Mick via those nice people at MTV's chat room. It was nice to see the boys enlightening responses to inciteful questioning, especially by that Jim Rockford character, Carsmile's World Cup willy and someone wanting them to play at her wedding. I don't know. Actually I have to admit Jim's line of question was a bit dissapointing, it nearly made me tear down all my Rockford Files posters, and I would probably would have too if it hadn't been for the fact I've become quite emotionally attached to the one of him in his white bathrobe with Jim emblazoned in gold lame on his left breast. The chat, though, was made all the more interesting by the fact it seemed to take place in an Eminem chat room. Slim Shady indeed. There were also a sprinkling of teenage girls there interested in chatting to boys and as Carsmile wrote wanting some good lovin', despite my membership of the Big Gay Club faction of this NME berated institution it still made me all a bit hot udder the collar. Actually my membership of said camp is under question unless I can leave this udder obsession behind me and in the past. Anyway, there was also a lot of MTV are corporate scum comments in this chat thing too which I'm sure shook the foundations of said institution, well they were quite funny... Oh yeah and the album's fucking good too in't it? I'm allowed to say that now. I love the thick strings plastered everywhere. I love some strings, and there's enough on there to a keep a Tom with a vigorous libido's litter of kittens entertained right through to retirement. And as Gene Clark sang... Apart from Belle and Sebastian, this week I've been mainly thinking about Francis Benali the long serving Southampton full back. I've just been conjegating and deliberating, a bit like that tosser Lloyd Grossman about those posh folk making ponsey food, I mean when didn't a Findus Crispy Pancake constitiute the essential ingredient of a gourment delight? Sorry what I meant to say is I've just been wondering whether Francis' mum is proud of him or not. I'm really just not sure... And don't get me started on Doug Rougvie, largely because he'd kick my sorry foppish arse. I'm sorry to keep harping on about B&S but I know no Eminem. Apart from the "candy" but they're no substitute for Revels unlike what the bloke in my local sweet shop suggested when he broke the news to me that they were indeed revel-less or unrevelled or something. It reminded me of that recent occassion when I asked for a pint of lager and it was suggested I should have Tenant's. I really haven't got over that obviously traumatic occassion yet. I'm thinking of counselling, which let's face it is better than thinking of Benali. Anyway I was surprised to see Alasdair Cook listed as playing percussion on the new album, as the only thing I've seen him play is the fruit. But I'm sure he could give a good bang to anything if he put his mind to it. Nudge, nudge, tilt, damn my ball's dropped! Or something. Sorry but my life is a game of pinball... Anyway better go and make that life size model of Everest out of mash potato, parsley and the Marillion fan club. Things are fishy round here indeed and I don't mean the penguin sanctuary I've created in my flatmates bedroom. Oh and the new Tompaulin ep as it's great so go and get it. Te ra, Martin P.S If anyone can tell me where these scratches on my arm have come from I'd be most enlightened. Actually Casarotto have you got long fingernails? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mattwardfhnn at xxx.com Tue Jun 6 18:12:19 2000 From: mattwardfhnn at xxx.com (Matthew Ward) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 12:12:19 CDT Subject: Sinister: fold your hands Message-ID: <20000606171220.48211.qmail@hotmail.com> Hey kids. Went to Best Buy early today (got there at the crack of 10:45), but after it opened, so I missed the joy of hunting down the guy with the cart that puts the new cds out. Anyway, there were 7 copies, filed nicely with Legal man, I grabbed mine, which later turned out to have a slightly cracked case (damnable luck), but anyway, I escaped the monument to consumerism to unwrap and put it in my car and start listening to it in my car while I ran a couple more albums. Anyway, seems to be a good one. No official opinion yet (I still haven't made up my mind about Arab Strap, you know), but nothing seems to be a radical departure from the normal stuff. I do like the harpsichord, I must confess, though. On the US release, there's this insert on glossy paper that covers the top, top front, and top bac kof the cd. The top has the title and barcode, the front is a duplicate of the front cover, and the back is a tracklisting and also has the US discography. I assume Matador added this, and that it's not in the UK, since it lists only US releases (LLPJ box set, for example). Anyway, happy US release day to everybody! Ward P.S. I've been having slight problems with Outlook being bitchy, I apologize if this message has been sent multiple times. It said it didn't send. I swear. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mcpuckett at xxx.com Tue Jun 6 18:30:23 2000 From: mcpuckett at xxx.com (#M. P.) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 17:30:23 GMT Subject: Sinister: The Haughtiness of the Mediocre Rocker Message-ID: <20000606173023.10434.qmail@hotmail.com> Is it just my tastes, or has the recording industry hatched a massive plot to relieve us all of our wallets this month? I'm not just talking about the 50 track Ultimate Doo Wop collection due out today either. If you're none too happy about the marketing of Legal Man, check out Clientele, managing to recycle tracks off of TWO previous singles for their scrumptious e.p.! Despite my fondness for the band, I wondered if they qualified as fey (even before it was used to describe B&S), but I was suprised to find that the Dictionary thinks it's 1) Scottish for DOOMED; marked by a foreboding of death or calamity 2) able to see into the future, and only 3) a) precious b)unconventional or campy so once again, the English language has managed to completely confound me. I don't think it's been mentioned on the list, but Clientele will be playing Saturday at the Fez in NYC ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mcpuckett at xxx.com Tue Jun 6 18:58:39 2000 From: mcpuckett at xxx.com (#M. P.) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 17:58:39 GMT Subject: Sinister: Whoops! Message-ID: <20000606175839.62481.qmail@hotmail.com> I can't belive I did a premature SEND! I thought only drunkards and idiots did that. Lost my momentum completely now. Anyway, I did want to make one point about the "laziness" of Looper though. One of the things that I love about B&S, and by extension Looper, is that they refuse to let it become a job. It may be dissapointing sometimes as a fan, but it seems to me a little unfair to place such high expectations on people just because they have something you want. If you look at what Stuart David has accomplished in the last couple of years, he can hardly be accused of being lazy. And anyone who thinks that touring isn't hard work hasn't done it, I'm pretty sure. Show business is business, and boo to that world, I say. I'll shut up now, especially since I haven't got since I haven't got IT yet. It's several hours before I get out of the office and into the...rain/subway Matt ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samwaltonyeah at xxx.com Tue Jun 6 19:15:00 2000 From: samwaltonyeah at xxx.com (samwaltonyeah at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S breaking and entering Message-ID: <200006061815.TAA20483@admin-hub.ipc.co.uk> Hi there all. So those pesky scottish kids are up to everything shobiz nowadays eh? Top 20 singles, press conferences, breaking into top BBC soap sets.... Anyway, here's a article from nme.com: love, Sam.x BELLE & SEBASTIAN were almost arrested following their appearance on 'TOP OF THE POPS' last week after breaking into the set of top BBC soap 'EASTENDERS', nme.com can reveal. The Scottish group, who’d been on the show performing their number 15 hit ‘Legal Man’, went to go and find the mythical Albert Square after hearing it was near the Top Of The Pops studios. Substantially fortified with alcohol from the BBC bar, Stuart Murdoch, Chris Geddes, Sarah Martin and Richard Colbourn from the band found a gate saying ‘No Entry’ that was open and wandered in. Unfortunately, a security guard saw them larking around the Queen Vic and the car lot, grabbed them and rang the police, believing them to be common or garden trespassers. By a strange coincidence, TOTP presenter Jamie Theakston and producer Chris Cowey were just being driven home as the group were grabbed. The pair instantly spotted their predicament, stopped the car, and managed to persuade the studio guard that the trespassing hoodlums were in fact slightly squiffy BBC guests. A spokesperson for the band told nme.com: "I think they were quite lucky. It’s not the sort of thing they’d usually do and they almost got into real trouble over it. They’d just been celebrating a bit too much as they’d had such a wonderful time on the show." The band, who also revealed today that the gorilla who invaded their set on TOTP was in fact their sound engineer Tony Douggan in a suit, are also celebrating going straight into the Canadian sales charts at number four with their current single. Their spokesperson laughed: "They’re completely dumbfounded, but so chuffed, as they’ve never even played live there before. But then they’ve never played Norway either and they’re doing really well there too." Belle & Sebastian’s new album ‘Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant’ was released on Monday through Jeepster. ---------------------- News story sent courtesy of nme.com (http://www.nme.com). Check out the daily news, reviews and the new e-cards of classic NME covers and our random quotes feature which stretches back to 1977. Generated by NME ( http://www.nme.com ) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Tue Jun 6 19:52:04 2000 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:52:04 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Music 365's review of FYHCYWLAP Message-ID: <012c01bfcfe8$5308a120$228e183e@default> Yet another damning one, folks. Why does everyone think they're smug??? ******************* Jeepster JPRCD010) Long awaited fourth album from the cardie-wearers is no great step forward... Hating Glasgow cuties Belle & Sebastian is now so commonplace that everyone to the left of, and including, Steps has joined in. Not that they care. Having achieved a remarkable level of success entirely on their own terms - never talking to the press, hardly ever performing live, and turning down most offers made to them, even those in good faith - there's absolutely no reason for them to make any concessions to the horrible outside world. (They didn't balk at the chance to appear on TOTP with current single 'Legal Man' last week though, and its summery idiocy was a rare treat juxtaposed with the usual endless succession of manufactured singer/dancers. They sure ain't been to no stage school). That single isn't present on this album, presumably because its mood is so at odds with the essentially downbeat nature of the rest of the material. And let's be honest here, 'Fold Your Hands Child...' (title allegedly lifted from graffito spotted by mainman Stuart Murdoch, possibly in a friend's lavvy) is a drab bastard of a disc. It doesn't start too badly. 'I Fought In A War', all minor keys and windswept strings, is a fine opener, soon transporting the listener to B&S land, but only the beautiful, if entertainingly pathetic 'Don't Leave The Light On Baby' and the countrified 'The Wrong Girl' come anywhere near matching it. The crappy 'Beyond The Sunrise' is as feeble a Lee Hazlewood copy as can be imagined, the shoddy 'Woman's Realm' (and that is a stinker of a title) could be by any one of the burgeoning numbers of B&S copyists out there, while the much commented-on 'Chalet Lines', Murdoch's necessarily downbeat description of a rape (and charmlessly described on the press release as 'quite slow and sad') is vocally almost unintelligible. Several hundred plays later, the other songs leave no impression. Not that it'll matter. The Belleshitters will lap it up, while the doubtful will remain unconverted. But the interested rather than fanatical will be dismayed that nothing matches classics like 'Lazy Line Painter Jane', 'Boy With The Arab Strap' or just about anything on 'If You're Feeling Sinister'. To accuse Belle and Sebastian of artifice is obviously a pointless exercise - their entire career to date rests on it - but this half-hearted tribute to Love's 'Forever Changes' (thirty three years old and sounding better than ever) won't even be the best string-laden, over-arranged record from a Glasgow combo this year (thank you, Delgados). Smug, detached, and noticeably underwritten, this is a serious disappointment. ** [2 out of 5] Steve Jelbert --Jason Andreas If nice guys finish last, then I'll never finish at all... 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keshi at xxx.it Tue Jun 6 20:05:28 2000 From: keshi at xxx.it (keshi at xxx.it) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:05:28 +0200 Subject: Sinister: i'm waiting with hope and joy because probably on friday 'fold your hands...' will arrive on friday :) Message-ID: <000701bfcfea$57dc1040$83721997@a07195> hi!!! CarsmileSteve said: >Can anyone else think of another band who steadfastly refuse to release >tracks off albums as singles? Richard Colburn will answer to your question (ehm no he isn't here but I read the answer on an interview he did in Italy): Led Zeppelin. talking about the interview it was a three pages interview, really interesting they talked about the new album and as cover of the magazine there is a photo of Stuart Murdoch I am ill, I have a cold and this is normal, but it's not normal if you think that is summer and here is terribly hot (I used to think that it was a winter illness) hmm...someone said something about moomins... I simply love them. and then the other day I was watching television and I saw the moomin's cartoon!!! :) I was really happy because I waited for 12 years to see it, now I'm joyful and proud and I love the world for it. well I leave bye bye francesca +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alexander.bartilson at xxx.com Tue Jun 6 20:06:55 2000 From: alexander.bartilson at xxx.com (Alexander Bartilson) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 21:06:55 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Nice day for a Belle & Sebastian-fan Message-ID: <007001bfcfea$62568f00$01727180@alex> Hi, bought the album when the shops opened yesterday. Have listened to it a few times now and I thought I'd just post some thoughts and reflections. If your not interested now is the time to press delete. "I fought in a war" Great song. Made me think about WW II and D-day. Noticed that the girl on the cover is holding a book called "I fought in a war". This may be a well-known book, but I haven't heard of it. Someone of you have probably read it. One thing, is there one or two girls on the cover. Can't really decide whether it's a mirror or not. The text on the left book is reversed so... "The model" A classical B & S track. Wonderful. Can't help smiling when I hear "It was the best sex she ever had" and "The girl next door who's famous for showing her chest"... "Beyond the sunrise" Nice duet with Isobel and ehhh...Nick Cave? The song is probably the most surprising song on the album in my opinion. "Waiting for the moon to rise" So this is Sarah. Love her voice and the track. "The chalet lines" A direct punch in the stomach. With lines like "I missed my time, I don't think I could stand, to take the test, I'm feeling sick, fuck this, I've felt like this for a week" I just wonder how there's possible to put so much emotion into a song. "Family tree" I'm one of those who thinks Isobel's voice is lovely so of course I think this track is great. Waiting with eager for the new Gentle Waves album. " On the whole this is a fantastic album. Absolutely brilliant. And you can quote me on that. Well that's all for now. Might return later with more comments. Till then... ///alexander PS. Boys and girls, stop that monkey business now, and tell me who the gorilla is! DS. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From FoxInASnow at xxx.com Tue Jun 6 22:35:46 2000 From: FoxInASnow at xxx.com (FoxInASnow at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:35:46 EDT Subject: Sinister: this town really drags you down Message-ID: <35.6277c14.266ec8b2@aol.com> Actually that's not true at all, it's just what i was worrying as i walked to the record store. See, when Arab Strap came out, Repo Records sold out of it before i got there, and for some reason Borders Books & Music hadn't gotten their shipment yet (i think it was the day after a postal holiday and it had gotten delayed) and so i had to wait till the next day. So of course i feared the worst. I marched straight to the boy at the counter and demanded to know if there were any copies of flappyclap left, wich there were, so i gave him my $13 and left oh so much more cheerfully. It's a delicious record, of course - i had all the songs already thanks to a most courteous friend, but i needed to have the artwork too, and the lyrics and the nice little story inside the front cover. By the way, thanks to all you wonderful people who helped me out regarding the Clientele. I have seen the error of my ways and will listen to any and all mix tapes studiously. I seem to have accidentally brought the poetry parrot upon myself. Err, it wasn't exactly an accident, as i DID kind of offer to take him. Whoops. I realized after i pressed the send button that i don't even read any poetry ever, i just know what all the terms mean because that's what English majors do best. So i'll have to find something nice, and find someone to pass him off to when i'm done, cos he and my cat are getting into all kinds of trouble. He's teaching my cat naughty words, and my cat is teaching him to beat up on strangers. Anybody want a bird? Jess. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kev at xxx.uk Tue Jun 6 23:13:50 2000 From: kev at xxx.uk (Kev) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:13:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: dafter than daisies (no subject) Message-ID: <00a201bfd004$811d7060$b85001d5@oemcomputer> Hello Sinister, So this is how it happens - tired alone and drunk with nothing much to say but somehow craving an audience. Hey look at me boys and girls I'm great really, honest. There are some things, and they follow -- BELLE AND SEBASTIAN - released a new album and the first song makes me cry. It's probably just because it uses the same keyboard type thingy (and I'm a bit shallow), but "Don't Leave the Light on Baby" sounds an awful lot like the Joni Mitchell song Woodstock. It's my favourite song on the album, even if just for the sentiment and delivery of "It's been a bloody stupid day", which I just wish I'd thought of saying because it applies to 95% of mine. STUART DAVID IS A SLACKER - well maybe, but y'know, it's not his job to please you. If seeing a concert is so important to someone then I can only assume that a re-evaluation of priorities is in order. People are what matters, an hour of live music, while heartlifting, beautiful and all the rest is wonderful, it's just not as important. But maybe that's just me. Anyone? BOY WITH A BASS GUITAR - somebody help me. I would have replied to Sophie privately(as I'm sure many did) only I was scared that she'd reply I'd fall helplessly in love. Mails like that (and others too numerous to mention) are the reason that this list is so important. SINGLES NOT ON ALBUMS - Loooove it. Although the only band that comes to mind is New Order, who did a lot of that sort of thing (and of course Joy Division before them) if not exclusively. I always think that singles kind of punch nesses holes in albums - Oh yeh the next one is the single - and it kind of devalues the songs that weren't singles, if you see what I mean. Probably that's rambling enough. The shadows of obscurity (and possibly even a red wine and cider sick bowl - well maybe) are calling. Love in great big vases Kev (in a bliss of ignorant haze) x ===== http://www.lost-cat.org.uk/regularchickens/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vrider at xxx.net Wed Jun 7 01:47:50 2000 From: vrider at xxx.net (Vicki Rider) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:47:50 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Sweethearts of the Rodeo Message-ID: <001b01bfd01a$6d9a0240$496fb5d1@compaq> Hi-- So I called Tower Records to see how much FYH woyld cost: Clerk: Belle and what? I don't see it on the new release board. me: Belle & Sebastian. They're new album's supposed to come out tomorrow. You have other stuff by them. Clerk: Can you spell that? me: B-E-L-L-E A-N-D-S-E-B-A-S-T-I-A-N Clerk: Uhhh, lemme check . . .nope, nothing. [!] me: Thanks anyway. So I went to the indie record shop across the street and payed $3 more (question--do english keyboards have a pound sign over the 4 instead of a dollar sign?hmm) It's: Lovely. I like "Nice Day For A Sulk", a little sixties-y pick me up after "Chalet Lines". After listening to the new album, I'm forming a question in my mind: Are Belle & Sebastian dabbling in country? Evidence: guitars on "I Fought In A War" are twangier than usual. hmm "Beyond the Sunrise" cowbell and twangish (is that a slide guitar??)guitars at the beginning of "The Wrong Girl"-->"I went lookin' for my darlin' Not that that's bad thing. Whatever they're doing it's great. On the first listen it shocked me a little, maybe because I didn't fall immediately in love with it like Arab Strap. This one took a few listens to hook me. It also gave me the distinct feel of summer (just like Arab Strap's feel of fall, and Sinister's feel of spring). Also listened to Jesus & Mary Chain's "Psychocandy", a very nifty album indeed. Well, @@@@@@@@@@@@happy listening:-)@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Ciao! Rachel W. "You're trying much too hard to make your world seem like a dream."-Felt +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From grey7 at xxx.net Wed Jun 7 03:01:08 2000 From: grey7 at xxx.net (James Gilmer) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:01:08 -0400 Subject: Sinister: "...a young boy takes a feather out of his mouth" Message-ID: <001801bfd024$401548c0$15d033cf@default> Hullo to all Sinister Siblings, both the newborns fresh from the nursery and those who've been about for awhile. I called Harmony House in Brighton (a smallish town in Michigan near where I live) which is the closest record shop to me at the moment this morning at around eleven: "Hi, do you happen to have the new Belle and Sebastian album?" "Lemme check, I know we got a few in...(pause)" "Oh, I'm sorry. We just sold out of them" "...yer kidding...how many copies did you get?" "...oh..four or five it looks likes" So B&S sold four or five album's in my Lil' Michigan town in an hour this morning. Which is good, though it forced me to drive up to East Lansing to get the new album. Suffice to say it was worth the drive. *Fold Your Hands Child* *****Album review coming up***Spoiler Space******This means you******* It might not be as good as Tigermilk but it's hooked me even more than BWTAS did upon first listen, and that was the album that got me infatuated with B&S in the first place. I was unsure how much I'd care for the openning track, but "I Fought in a War" suprised me. It's a solid B&S standard even though the subject matter didn't seem to be run of the mill fare for Stuart. It's a great song though. "The Model" could be one of my favorites, or so I thought at first listen. By the time I had listened to the whole album there were two or three other songs fighting for that spot. It's a nice song with some great piano work and strong lyrics from Stuart. It makes me want to dance in the same way "BWTAS" and "I Spent the Summer Wasting" did. "Beyond the Sunrise" is the only clunker for me. It doesn't do anything for me. However, out of eleven songs on an album only having one that I actively dislike is pretty damn good. "Waiting for the Moon to Rise"....fucking brilliant...no, I mean that. Where has Sarah been hiding all this time? I'm not sure if she penned the song or just sang it but this floored me. Now, as much as I've never had anything bad to say about Isobel (and she does a fine job on the latter songs on the album) I am stunned we have not heard Sarah before this. It's an amazing song with great lyrics supported by Sarah's voice which is *perfect* for the song and captures the mood exactly. "Don't Leave the Light on Baby"- Actually hit the fast forward key on this the first two times I listened to the album, thought better about it the next time round and gave it a few proper listens which has caused me to warm up to it quite a bit. It's a nice enough song I suppose and shows again the range that B&S are capable of. I'm starting to like it more and more. "The Wrong Girl"- Nice enough song, nothing special though. I almost would have rather had "Lord Anthony" in its place and "Loneliness of the Middle Distance Runner" in "Beyond the Sunrise"'s place. For that matter I wouldn't have minded seeing "Pocketbook Angel" make it onto the album. Perhaps the singles though, eh? "The Chalet Lines"...christ, this is a beautiful song. Stuart's voice is perfect in it, sounding tired and resentful and just...perfect. Between the lyrics and the mood created by his voice it is an astonishing song of painful beauty and one of the most moving songs I've heard from B&S. It's brilliant, it's as simple as that. "Nice Day for a Sulk" has the same problem that "Slow Graffiti" has for me. his voice goes a bit to high for my tastes. It's a nice enough song I guess, but it seems out of place just after "Chalet lines". All in all I don't really have any feelings one way or the other about it. "Women's Realm" suprised me, Isobel does a good job on it and I ended up liking it a bit more than I thought I would based on others comments. Actually, I liked it quite a bit and I have to say I think Isobel actually sounds very good on it. I've never had a problem with her singing for the most part, but on this song it seems as if her voice truely clicks and in my opinion she sounds better than she has before. "Family Tree" is another pleasent suprise. I really like Isobel on backing vocals, and I don't mind her all that much but I've never been overly fond of her taking lead vocals. The Gentle Waves album failed to impress me because her voice didn't hold me through the entire album, I tired of it. However, her work on this album is very good and her voice is used to good advantage and so I ended up liking "Family Tree" far more than I thought I would. Well done!! "There's Too Much Love" is another of my favorites. I thought the album would go out on a low key tune along the lines of "Rollercoaster Ride", instead we get another song that makes me want to dance. It's a great album ender and a wonderful song. That's it then. I think the album is much stronger than BWTAS and thus has slid into place as my favorite album from our heroes. It's a strong album that shows growth from TBWTAS but is without a doubt heir to Tigermilk, and though I was dissapointed in a couple of songs and perhaps the ordering of the songs I think it's a great effort and a solid, enojoyable listen. Good work all around! With a little luck perhaps we'll hear more from Sarah in the future as well... *Goodbye* Well, I'm gone then. In the sense of leaving Sinister as well as ending this post. It's been a blast and you're all brilliant, even you moody lot in the back...yes, you. Before I split I must give high props to our list honey for being brilliant and wonderful and patient with our little indie kid lot. Honey is the best list mum we could have ever had. Thanks to those who've replied to me in the past and turned me onto cool music and cooler books. Lovely Laura Llew ranks foremost for tossing good tunes and good reading my way. Props to rachel tucker for turning me onto gormgenhast and liking "Vurt". While I'm at it a big shout out to those who recognized and wrote me about my Jeff Noon "Vurt" quotes. The #sinister people get massive mentions, they all know who they are; lleweth, bastards, Mc, hobson, aic,rocketboy, and all the rest, I may still pop in there from time to time. That's all.... Be Sinister Children........ Jim (...taking the feather out of his mouth.......) "Cherish the flame, till we can safely wake again. The Flame is in your hands, we trust it to you, our sacred demon of ungovernableness. Cherish the flame. We shall rest easy. Child be strange, dark, true, impure, and dissonant. Cherish our flame. Our dawn shall come."- David Rudkin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From steven.kado at xxx.ca Wed Jun 7 05:52:15 2000 From: steven.kado at xxx.ca (Steven Kado) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:52:15 -0400 Subject: Sinister: i am the lemon. you will crush me and make lemonade. Message-ID: <005e01bfd03c$27e50980$4a02a7d1@yesic.com> so yes. hello. been a while from me...but since th' album came out officially today (even though, as someone mentioned, its been available in toronto since thrusday) i thought i'd go on and on about it. so yes. um...ok...here's the problem with the new record....i feel it is missing magic. thats it. um, and no i don't hate any of it except for beyond the sunrise, its not really the songs themselves that are the problem. i put the record on and bop about and make breakfast and do things while listening to it and i feel good like you should when music is good to bop around to. so the record feels good but not *good*. is that making sense? but the first time i heard belle and sebastian it was after my friend liane hyped them up to me (this was right after arab strap came out) and i went to the record store and put both their records on the counter (iyfs cost a whopping 25 dollars!) and asked to listen to them. from the first bars of IYFS i had a big smile on my face and felt very good. thinking that it was too good to be true i tracked through the whole thing and really regretted not having lots of money. the same thing happened with Arab strap, so i bought that for a relatively light 16 dollars and went home happy. this time i put on the new record expecting the now customary instant 3 bar smile and then nothing....piffle. snort. plech. second song... umm not yet no...no magic. ouch. so maybe i've changed. maybe i'm not the person i was. maybe prolonged exposure to previous belle and sebastian records or blonde redhead has altered me beyond the magic zone of the new record. who knows. its just not working instantly like i feel belle and sebastian records should (and have up till now). so i am the voice of dissent. the one guy in the choir who sings off tune, but hey. its just not that special. its really good, but its not *special*. or at least i don't feel that it is. also i get a massive scott walker vibe off this record. much more so that their previous record. something about the unsubstantiated drama of all the string hits going "da-da!" in the middle of songs, where previously they just sort of ambled about langourously. it rubs me a bit the wrong way. it just reeks of scott 4. can't you even hear scott belting out "I FOUGHT IN A WAAAAAAAAAARRRRR" with his insane overwrought vibrato going on and everything. although, thankfully the scott walker infulence hasn't resulted in them writting songs about bergman films. gawd. the last thing we need is a b&s concept album based on 'persona'. or an isobel song about the passion of anna where she sings about all the dead animals. humph. s t e v e n k a d o +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keleidoscopic at xxx.com Wed Jun 7 08:50:42 2000 From: keleidoscopic at xxx.com (Chris Paluch) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Millions of lights in a grid, yet the streets seem so lonely Message-ID: <20000607075042.4046.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Sinister People, I have the new album, and i love it. Ok it is not the best one...but i love it, maybe it is because i love the sound of an electric piano, but probably not. My mom liked it alot, which is really no suprise. I have read good reviews for sinister...mostly from places i would expect good reviews. The Onion (http://www.theonion.com) has probably one of the few really good reviews, plus the fake news stories are worth reading. I also have this feeling the American music press is not as cynical towards B&S as the British music press, I have yet to figure out why. I have setteed into Chicago and have realized how little I fit into the city...The grid if ligths used to be a haven, now it just represents boredom. OH Well. A few months and I move to Vermont. I just have a bad case of wanderlust, nothing against Chicago. I just witnessed a marriage, and it was weird, and kinda tacky, and reminded me why I generally stay away from churches. The good thing was i had the pleasure of talking to one of my best friends, which is always good. But that is all what that wedding amounted to since the reception was not very exciting, no silly drunk people dancing, which is the best part of weddings. So I drove the 3 hours back to chicago to face the grid once again, and realize how hard it is to make freinds when you are only going to be in a city for two months. Ok Bye, Chris ===== The sole member of the Lost Letter Society A society dedicated to turtle lovers everywhere. Http://www.mp3.com/LostLetterSociety __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lucy.alder at xxx.uk Wed Jun 7 10:52:07 2000 From: lucy.alder at xxx.uk (Alder, Lucy) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:52:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: A thousand saturday plans being hatched to drink and b e senseless Message-ID: <1EC8C16BC185D311ACB90008C7C563F335369D@gblon1c3ex1.wcom.co.uk> Hello lovelies The Met Office's ever-reliable (ahem) 5-day forecast at http://www.met-office.gov.uk/sec3/sec3.html currently says that Edinburgh will have a sun peeking out from behind a cloud on Saturday, which is spookily exactly the same forecast it gave for London picnic. Considering what a top time I had at that one, I'd say that it all bodes rather well for this weekend. I'm not touching that poison you like to call Buckfast though. No! No! Keep it away from me! I've heard about the effects it has on people and by all accounts it ain't pretty. Even less pretty is the state of my bedroom in Harringay this morning. After an impromptu night of slightly drunken but extremely earnest discussion of albums old and new, as well as not one, not two but three! games of consequences, I woke up this morning to find my sheets were covered in bits of chocolate, red wine and silver pen. Every single I've ever bought now adorns my bedroom floor (apart from Everything I Do (I Do It For You) by Bryan Adams, which I trod on a couple of weeks ago and had to throw away, darnit). I blame that Lixi bird. She's a messy slattern. She's not responsible for my nail varnish collection being slightly depleted though. I suspect the blame for that lies with Mark "Champagne Everlovin' Faggy But Nice" Casarotto, who might have tried to give himself a manicure. If you see him picking at bits of glittery stuff on his fingers, you'll know why. Does anyone know any girls who talk about their 'time'? I don't. ///alexander, who writes his name a bit like ||| baxendale ||||||||||||| said >>Noticed that the girl on the cover is holding a book called "I fought in a war". This may be a well-known book, but I haven't heard of it. Someone of you have probably read it. I've never heard of a book called I Fought In A War either and nor has Amazon and Amazon knows everything, doesn't she? The best she could come up with was A Blood-Dimmed Tide: The Battle Of The Bulge By The Men Who Fought It. So, anyway, I think somebody might have magicked up the picture on the cover with the help of one of those newfangled computing machines. But then I know sod all about anything. Right, anyway, I'm going out for a while. I'll be back later, but I'm not sure quite when. Juicy Lucy -- This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and then destroy any copies of it. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cbrown2 at xxx.com Wed Jun 7 11:01:37 2000 From: cbrown2 at xxx.com (cbrown2 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:01:37 +0100 Subject: Sinister: even men with steel hearts love to see a gorilla on totp Message-ID: <862568F7.00374526.00@em-stpmta-01.mmm.com> Good morning kiddiewinks and what a fine morning it is too, the sun is trying to shine, the yellow album is safely in my 'puter (and will probably stay there all day, or until my workmates kill me) and all is getting better with the world. Does anyone else get the feeling that this album is going to go in at quite a stratospheric chart place?? I bought it yesterday from the new HMV on Oxford street (which is crap, bye the way, don't go there) and on the way home I was carefully reading the words to see where I'd mis-heard stuff previously (how can you hear "she met another blind kid at a fancy dress" as she lay a blanket down on the grass"????) and, when I looked up there were four other people in my little bit of the carriage doing exactly the same thing, including the girl sat next to me! Personally I think the album's brilliant, it's not my favourite at the moment but that could change (it usually does) and I must say that there's too much love is one of the best songs I've heard. Anyway, I've gotta get back to work and dancing around on my seat to the poppier songs, oh yeah, and thinking about whether I should emigrate to the land of Oz. Tatty bye, love you all Chris PS whoever recommended the book of the virgin suicides was right, it's superb +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Wed Jun 7 11:04:45 2000 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:04:45 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Rock Island Line Message-ID: <002d01bfd068$20a4a320$df9e243e@itjfvkli> Well, those two girls on the cover of the new album certainly look like nutters to me. They're from Iceland, aren't they? They're holding books called "I Fought in a War" which set me to thinking - has Iceland ever been involved in a war? I saw the album yesterday, but I didn't buy it. I chose to buy "Super Breaks Volume 2" instead, attracted by the prospect of listening to "Heaven and Hell is on Earth" by 20th Century Steel Band. Had I known that Mr Chris gets a credit, things would have been different. Perhaps Mr Chris is the mystery growler on "Beyond the Sunrise"? When bands cancel tours due to exhaustion, it usually means either TOO MUCH JUNKIE BUSINESS or POOR TICKET SALES. However, in this case, I think we should give Stu D the benefit of the doubt. Bear in mind that he has been touring America with his highly demanding wife. She's probably been nagging him non-stop, "Oh go on Stuart, write another song about ME! I know, you could write one about how it's really hot and I need some Robinson's Barley Water with icecubes in it but I'm too tired to get it for myself and so you go and get it for me because you love me so much, don't you... DON'T YOU? You could call it "Summer Sooskie" and we could release it as an A side instead of a B side like those ungrateful bastards in B&S and maybe we could do one for Spring where I'm covered in frogspawn and one for Autumn where I'm buried in scrunchy leaves and it would be like the Four Seasons by Nigel Kennedy only about me, me, ME!" Who wouldn't be exhausted after that? Mind you, he's not going to get much of a rest by not touring, is he? Poor bloke. But seriously, I don't think he hates the fans. I once wrote to him about how to buy Looper t-shirts (obvioulsy this was before I'd heard the music) and he wrote back calling me an "old menace". I don't know what brought that on, I'm sure, but I thought it was quite nice anyway. Carsmile Steve released the bats by asking about bands who steadfastly refuse to release singles off albums. Well Steve, the Buzzcocks steadfastly refused to release singles off their albums, but their record company steadfastly did it anyway. Led Zep also refused to release singles off their albums until quite recently, despite an offer from Simon Bates to personally make them the Christmas number one circa 1991. I think they released singles in America though. I'm sure there are thousands of others. Over to Big Dave, the list's only known UK skiffle boom survivor... Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From smiley at xxx.uk Wed Jun 7 11:37:32 2000 From: smiley at xxx.uk (Mr Smiley) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:37:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: It was the best thex that she ever had References: <200006070952.KAA05814@missprint.org> Message-ID: <000901bfd06c$ce2f1260$9e12883e@n8j4k7> No, it's not funny. Um, hi, I feel a bit moved to write today, because people have been saying things, and because I'm happy that from today, if I should choose to do so, I never have to read a word of Shakespeare again. Anyway. I'd like to say a few things about the album. I refrained from writing a review because I frankly much prefer reading posts about how people's days are going rather than posts about B&S, but he're my tuppence worth. Beyond The Sunrise does, at first, seem to mutter 'skip me', but after listening to it a not inconsiderable number of times... it's actually quite good isn't it? Even if it does sound like they're taking the piss a bit. It's nice, OK? On the other hand, Nice Day For A Sulk... well, for a band that claims they're not twee... it's a bit twee isn't it? Far too twee to be straight after The Chalet Lines, in my humble opinion. It's not bad as such, just there. Everything else is great, particularly Sarah's song. I agree wholeheartedly with what Mr Gilmer said, which is handy because I don't have to type it all again. And on that note, I think I'll go and take some pictures. Good day. Platonic hugs, Mike ICQ: 73775341 Email - smiley at rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk The Black Den - http://www.rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk 2 exams to go, 2 exams to go +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From angel_blackwell at xxx.com Wed Jun 7 13:28:26 2000 From: angel_blackwell at xxx.com (the angel blackwell) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 08:28:26 EDT Subject: Sinister: well, canucks are full of surprises... Message-ID: <20000607122826.59811.qmail@hotmail.com> has anyone seen how legal man is doing in the states??? it was #4 last week, #7 this week here in the great green north...hmmm...maybe they will hafta play the video on Mushy Music this friday when they have their awful countdown...i mean, top ten two weeks in a row...but toni braxton and mad donna were the top 2, so they might not wanna play them all together...a gorrilla might jump out kick the bejesus outta them, i can only dream. my mom saw that little article about those pesky little boys and girl that nearly got arrested for sneaking onto the eastenders set after totp...and she thought they were such nice boys and girls...damn scots... my little man had dinner with portia di rossi and that big girl from the practise...portia is that pretty blonde thing off of ally mcbeal...then he took them to a drag show...not fair... went and saw a band called sully last night, a friend of mine is their new bass player...they rocked...their lead singer has a bewtiful voice that made me think of cocteau twins and sneaker pimps playing without too much overproduction...it was a good night, and now it's only wednesday and i'm all knackered... the day is just beginning and i just want to pull the covers back over my head... a. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fehbptrain4 at xxx.mil Wed Jun 7 13:43:45 2000 From: fehbptrain4 at xxx.mil (FEHBP Training Account 4) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:43:45 -0400 Subject: Sinister: all the smiles I could never understand... Message-ID: <6629EF7B52C2D3118C33006008CF35918A95B4@dddc023.ha.osd.mil> Hello all, I have not been able to buy the new album yet. But the anticipation is wonderful. It gives me something to look forward to when I get paid on Friday. Does that make me a bit sad? Well I just know it won't be a disappointment. Hmm... well a little while ago I bought a B&S bus shirt. This was very silly of me. So what if every article of clothing I own is black? I will wear this shirt damit!!! * No ofcourse all my friends won't give me a hard time for donning a orange bus- them being all twee and just loving Belle and Sebastian.* we all know how this story ends...... is there a soul out there who want's it ? let me know. ( I would gladly exchange it for a joke I could use one today) Thanks to all of you who have posted about the delgados. Fucking incredible album. It reminds me of my bloody valentine's glider in a way. It has that sound that swoops out of no where and goes right through you. Of course with the delgados it is a lot simpler like one wave hitting you at a time instead of three or four different ones. Just great. Sorry for the lack of content. You all are wonderful. Alix. ( *sarcasm* in case you didn't catch it) Someday it will shatter -piercing the sky, screaming voices. all the pressure.... released. and all the smiles I could never understand will slowly blow away. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alan.singfield at xxx.com Wed Jun 7 14:15:55 2000 From: alan.singfield at xxx.com (Alan Singfield) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:15:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Are they twins or is it a mirror? Message-ID: <6357CBA4ECC4D211A67C00805FD787D75AEAA8@shuban.isoftplc.com> Hello good people, Its about time that I chucked my 2p worth into the ring. Are they twins, or is it a mirror? Look very carefully at where the girl on the left's index finger is against the white swirl on the book. The girl on the right's index finger is against the *black* swirl. A-ha! Do I have the detective ability of Poirot or what? Or it could just be the angle the photo was taken at... As for the live webchat on MTV - I think this was the equivalent of speaking to the band in an overcrowded townie disco. It was frustrating to say the least. I don't use chat very often so I don't know whether this is commonplace, but at least on jeepster chat you get a 15 second pause between refreshes to gather your thoughts. Chart position - Looking at this rationally, when Tigermilk was re-released, it came in at number 13 in the UK (if I remember correctly). I'm assuming that more of us *SAD FANS* will have bought flappyclap immediately, because most of us had Tigermilk on tape already. So I'm running down to the bookies and putting money on NUMBER ONE!!!!!!! Celine Dion, eat your heart out! Next week - number 60. Luv for those who want it, manly bear hugs for those who don't... Spanners. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From DKerr at xxx.uk Wed Jun 7 14:48:12 2000 From: DKerr at xxx.uk (Kerr, David) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:48:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The Twin Thing Message-ID: <6062D80787FBD3118E4100104B92F49E05811B@MAILSERVER> Good Day to all in Sinister Land I've noticed that in a few of the mails today there has been a slight discussion about the new album cover. Is it a mirror? Or Are they twins? Well with my high level of intelligence >Laughs out loud to receive strange looks from colleagues in the office< and intellect >Another big chuckle< I would say that they are definitely twins. For starters one of the girls has their mouth open. Also if you look closely at the two books one of them is open slightly at the corner where the other one is not (I think). And another thing. One of the girls has slightly longer hair than the other one and it also seems to be sitting differently. The books are also sitting at a completely different angle from each other. I'm probably wrong about everything I have written above. The alcohol is probably still in my system from last night. But at least I have posted to the list again which now brings my tally to three posts in three days. WooHoo!! I'm on a roll. Anyhoo........... I'll get out of everybody's' hair and let someone send in a real post instead of this childish nonsense. Peace Out Davie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bmacallister at xxx.org Wed Jun 7 14:54:58 2000 From: bmacallister at xxx.org (MacAllister, Bonnie) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:54:58 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Rumors of early peasants Message-ID: <21B216877F41D11196CC00805F85C9E085B5BA@pmaintranet> As I sit here in my office, the carpenters are drilling upstairs renovating the Modern and Contemporary Galleries so there is this hideous shaking, and I feel as if I am inhabiting a fault line. There is nothing better for a migraine than a ceiling of jackhammers. Since my concentration is severely suffering, I apologize if I make this post short. On Friday night, my boyfriend and I were early for an improv show at the Brick Playhouse so we wandered into Repo Records, and I found in their "Rock Vinyl" section, an advance copy of FYHCYWLAP! Needless to say, I nearly shrieked with joy. I was just wondering if the vinyl is any different than the CD? I am always tempted to purchase vinyl--it's such an addiction. On Sunday, I was down in the South Street area and I ended up back in Repo. (I usually go to Spaceboy for new vinyl but it seems that they have a lot less vinyl now). Anyway, when I walked into Repo, they had a sign that said something to the extent of "and rumored to be coming" Belle & Sebastian FYHCYWLAP when I had just purchased that copy days earlier. This was strange and I felt so ridiculously lucky. So did any other Philadelphia listees encounter this same phenomenon? Take care, Bonnie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bellezc at xxx.com Wed Jun 7 15:08:31 2000 From: bellezc at xxx.com (zoe charaktinou) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 07:08:31 PDT Subject: Sinister: IT'S ALL A BUNCH OF TREE-HUGGING HIPPIE CRAP!!!!!! Message-ID: <20000607140831.161.qmail@hotmail.com> hi everyone!it's a lovely day indeed,isn't it? the sun is shining,the birdies are singing away,everyone's happy.... AND I HAVE HAD ONLY 3 HOURS OF SLEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!! yes yes i had a feckin' media studies exam this morning.i went to bed 6am and i was up bright and breezy(not) at 9. i studied for 1 day only because this is my last week for now in this sunny ol' tropical place...yes,i'm going home for 3 months... i'm leaving the kingdom on sunday.and i still haven't bought the album.skint.anyway no one really cares.i'm just tired and i have another exam and i have to pack all my things today and i want to kill everyone. i love u all by the way. bye. zo... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From daftpunk at xxx.au Wed Jun 7 14:15:49 2000 From: daftpunk at xxx.au (Kin WOO) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:15:49 +0800 (WST) Subject: Sinister: wrong girl vid!!!:) Message-ID: Hey sinisterinies!:) Very long time no write but at long last an email containing *actual* B&S content! 'Cos not only have I just obtained "FYHCYLLAP", I've just seen the vid for "Wrong Girl"!!! that's right, "Rage" (to all non-Aussie listees, it's a late-night music videothon) just showed it on Friday night and it's grate! Norman Blake out of the always lovely Teenies played Stevie's dad and it was hilarious that at his "birth" stevie came out fully formed. It's really a funny video in a sad sort of way. Stevie looks hapless and gormless throughout (not a bad thing since obviously he meant to look like). The girls he tries to woo look mostly non-plussed and how many of us guys can relate to that? The part where the rest of B&S (including a brief cameo by the ever gorgeous Stuart Murdoch) come to bash him up is a treat also. As for the album, I like it and LOVE parts of it. "Beyond Sunrise" is terrible though. I've never heard a really weak B&S song till now-the male vocal is just awful-sorry! While Isobel astonished me with her Gentle Waves album (especially the breath-taking "a chapter in the life of Mathiew"), her songs and particularly her amazingly fey and twee voice pale in comparison to our Stuart's. "I Fought in A War" is dramatic and a very powerful opener. "Don't Leave the light on baby" is a wonderful slow-burner of rare beauty while of course "Chalet Lines" shows B&S in a totally different light with them creeping into the stark and incredibly moving Tori Amos territory of "Me and A Gun". As for the rest, it's slowly growing on me (though I've loved "wrong girl" ever since it was called "wrong love") but not sure if it matches the stellar heights of the other albums. Hmmm have to wait and see:) anyway thanx for bearing with my musings and all the best to err everyone! seeya folks Kin Woo "What's the deal? Take a pill!"- Cordelia Chase +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fehbptrain4 at xxx.mil Wed Jun 7 15:41:07 2000 From: fehbptrain4 at xxx.mil (FEHBP Training Account 4) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:41:07 +0100 (GMT/BST) Subject: Sinister: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:41:59 -0400 Message-ID: <6629EF7B52C2D3118C33006008CF35918A95BD@dddc023.ha.osd.mil> Sorry all, just wanted to say I found a home for the tee. thanks .alix +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Wed Jun 7 17:23:08 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:23:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Plastic soul man, plastic soul Message-ID: <802568F7.005B18A0.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Never got round to pulling this into any kind of coherent whole, but for anyone who's interested... 'I fought in a war' is the best possible way to start the album. A song to make you stare blankly at the wall and feel like something important is happening. I'm so glad it's not whimsical like previous unaccompanied breathy-vocal album openers, as it immediately marks the album out as different; the superficial similarity drawing attention to a change of focus in a more interesting way than if, say, it had started with a blast of feedback. The ambiguous, melancholic tone of the lyric seems to set the agenda for a darker things to come. To me, the failure of the album is in failing to fulfil this promise. Oh, and Thank you Katy, for making me unable to get Duran Duran's 'Ordinary World' out of my head whenever I listen to it now. 'The Model'. *Sigh*. So many words, such wonderful words, with all those lyrical and musical twists and turns. I'll miss it if he never writes songs like this again. The kind of lyrics I can't really interpret at all and yet which make perfect sense all the same. And the harpischord is just fantastic. Chris is the real star of this album, I think. I'd love to meet the people who like 'Beyond the Sunrise' They must be totally mad and it's always fun to meet mad people. Unless you think they're going to threaten you with violence in which case it's just mildly diverting. What on earth is the point of this track? Its ponderous style and the strained vocals just don't fit on the album and the whole thing just seems like a horrendously stylised experiment that should never ever have been included. Everyone likes Sarah, as someone said. 'Waiting for the moon to rise' is glorious. It's more than just pretty. Unlike some of the songs, the orchestration doesn't seem at all forced. The whole thing glides along wonderfully, evoking a mood I can't put a name to. Lines like "Cause in my dreams the things I'm wishing for keep coming true" could be banal in a different context but they just sound heartbreaking lovely here. Would have sounded great as the penultimate track, but you can't have everything. I suppose 'Don't Leave The Light On Baby' is the heart of the album. The defining sound of Stuart getting less wordy and more soulful. "My baby called me up to say Don't call me love. Don't call me / That's not all she said." That gets me ever time. Aside from that he lyrics are a *little* too under-written for this to be the way that I would want the band to go full-time, but I shouldn't be churlish. It's a great track. Hmm... I have real problems with 'The Chalet Lines'. It's like a trial you have to go through each time you hear the album. Does it really tell us anything about rape? It just seems to be a succession of cliches about the way women who have been raped feel in its aftermath. If it were a woman singing about it from personal experience, then maybe it would different, but Sensitive Stan as Stuart is, I just don't think it serves any purpose, which to my mind makes it gratutitous. No doubt it's better read as a personal evocation of his own feelings, but I just end up resenting it for being so... boring. I don't feel the emotion that someone else remarked upon at all. At least it's short. 'Woman's Realm' annoys me. To me it really sounds like "Here's the obligatory B&S rave up". It's *OK*, but something of a lower-grade retread of 'The Boy with the Arab Strap' and 'Dirty Dream Number Two'. The lyrics don't really grab me at all. I keep trying to listen to them properly, but they just seem so underwritten and reliant on B&S-speak, not telling any kind of coherent story. Although I can't quite follow 'The Model' either, I'm convinced in that song that Stuart knows exactly what he's on about. He seems to be coasting on this one. To make it worse, the string arrangements and organ line just seem uninspired and overdone, as they're desperately trying to compensate for the lyric's lack of direction. Isobel's verses brighten things a little, but not enough. I'm honestly mystified by 'Family Tree'. The lyric is so *astonishingly* asinine that I actually get a guilty pleasure from the whole thing. When it gets the final lines in which Isobel asserts that she's not here to fool around by having babies or becoming an accountant, the whole thing takes on an air of nonsensical menace that's somehow hard to resist. Quite what she's saying she *is* here to do is never quite explained. Maybe I'm being sexist - the male rebel without a cause is an enduringly romantic figure. "We took chemistry, biology and maths / I want poetry, music and some laughs". Jesus. And it's written by Stuart. Is he trying to make her look stupid? I can't believe he is. In which case I have to fall back on the theory that he's just a bit of a nutter. Pretty arrangement though. 'There's Too Much Love'. I can hardly believe that at first I thought of this a bit like I thought of 'Woman's Realm' . Now I think it's the most successful example on the album of the sound the band have attempted to develop. Done differently, the lyrics might have fitted a much more minor track, but as it is they make up a curious kind of personal anthem that hits all the right places. Who said he can't sing? It doesn't just end the album on the right note musically; it also has the feel of a closing track that's the last word on all that's gone before. The con is that to my mind what's gone before *doesn't* actually lead up to this at all. The first and last songs frame an album that was never recorded. Don't get me wrong, it's wonderful to hear these new songs after so long. Some of them are going round and round my head. *But* even more than TBWTAS, I don't think they hang together as an album. With the first two albums, the songs fitted together perfectly in a completely organic way. Now that there's so much collaboration and stylistic variety (and the songs are generally much less folksy, more structured and considered ) the sequencing of their albums has become really important. The band don't seem to have come to terms with this. Maybe if the album were longer then it would be easier to accept it as a kind of sprawling treasure trove, but at 40 mins, it seems like it's over before it's really got going. For what it's worth, I think the whole thing works better with the running order I came up with: 1. I Fought In A War 2. The Model 3. The Wrong Girl 4. Family Tree 5. Woman's Realm 6. Beyond The Sunrise 7. Don't Leave The Light On Baby 8. The Chalet Lines 9. Nice Day For A Sulk 10. Waiting For The Moon To Rise 11. There's Too Much Love Still got that awkward 'Chalet Lines' - 'Nice Day for a Sulk / the girl smells of milk' segue, but what *do* you follow a song about rape with? That's all... Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From howied41 at xxx.com Wed Jun 7 18:08:32 2000 From: howied41 at xxx.com (David Howie) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 17:08:32 GMT Subject: Sinister: Proprietary Binary Format Message-ID: <20000607170833.94226.qmail@hotmail.com> The Woman Who Walks Into Doors Joseph couldn't find his Giro, all faked names an' grubby Biro, yesterday. Mary said that she's prepared to hide it anywhere he won't look, anyway. The cue's too long anyhow, too long to wait an hour in. For a life dispensed by a man in specs, a man in specs and incontinence pants. What do you do when you're in love with someone who you don't love anymore? He's protected by the law, he's got a cruel black heart that you know will never thaw. An accidental birth, with a monumental girth. He'd hit her then proclaim she was the woman who walked into doors. She walks into doors, Walks into doors, Walks into doors, The law's on his side. Pregnant 4 times an' still no child, 'cos little coffin follows little coffin, boy. You've made a corpse of your own child, Jo, yes you must be such a proud father, now. A metaphorical joiner, who was always hanging doors. It's the drunk doors you've got to watch, yes you've got to watch for their blind rage. She's walked into doors, She walks into doors, She'll walk into doors, In the name of Love! Him o'er there, in the corner: David. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From david at xxx.uk Wed Jun 7 18:16:33 2000 From: david at xxx.uk (David White) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:16:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I Yacht In A War... Message-ID: Greetings, Can't help thinking that 'I Fought In A War' sounds like an old Duran Duran song, was it called Ordinary World? (goes something like, "I won't cry for yesterday, in an ordinary world, somehow i will survive") Can we expect the next video to be shot on a yacht in the Med featuring a frilly shirted Stuart M? (shit this knowledge of crap old music scares me). As for the album, after a few more listens I've decided I like it a lot. Fave tracks: erm, probably easier to list my least favourite ones cos I like most of them. Woman's Realm is probably the biggest surprise cos most reviews of the album said it was the weakest track (which it's certainly not). Least favourite tracks: Beyond The Sunrise, it might be a slow burner but it's a bit too strange at the moment (sounds vaguely like the song U2 did with Johnny Cash on Zooropa) and The Chalet Lines, I appreciate the sentiment and it's got very powerful lyrics (listen to it through headphones if you have any doubts, Stuart says fuck at least twice!), but it's a bit too depressing (amusing to note that the wonderful NME (spot the irony folks!) said that this was "a minimal, brittle sketch of half-forgotten romance." Hmmm think they might have failed to listen to it properly somehow!) As for the the rest of the album, I'm considering rationing myself to one listen a day so that I don't get sick of hearing it (perish the thought!) cos there's nothing worse than hearing something too often. BTW If there is a video for 'Wrong Girl' does this mean it's going to be the next single? Hope not, I want another EP with brand new songs, I'm willing to wait a couple of months for it though! Anyway enough of this gubbins, Dave Visit the new look, greatly improved www.belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk for all your B&S needs! david at djwhite47.freeserve.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From i_love_moon at xxx.com Wed Jun 7 18:56:44 2000 From: i_love_moon at xxx.com (Johan Nilsson) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:56:44 +0200 Subject: Sinister: i am going to a place were the women got nothing on but the radio References: <1EC8C16BC185D311ACB90008C7C563F335369D@gblon1c3ex1.wcom.co.uk> Message-ID: <20000607175543.7231.qmail@hotmail.com> _fishclap i read a review in a local paper here last sunday that said something like "if this record wasn't released by belle and sebastian it would have gotten raving reviews all over the world". the paper gave the record four of five stars - but i think there is something in those words. people have come to expect something out of belle and sebastian. fishclap is not that, it's defiantly a new era and if not a little of a new sound. not fullfilling the listeners first listen. "this is not as good as... blah blah blah". i am not ready yet to make a statement yet, i think that you cannot compare this record to anything else, you have to take it for what it is, a completely new record. you can however judge wether you like the direction or if you dislike the things they have on the record. it's good, it's really good though. _jim o'rourke/nme i know there is a lot of brits on this list so i wanna gonna make a request here, no matter how selfish it is, is there anyone who subscribes nme or just simples has a lot of issues? i am looking for this one issue where jim o'rourke is on the 'free cd' that came out last year (i think it is 2323). in it there should be a wacky pictures of mister jim o'rourke. i am compiling a jim o'rourke pop era website and i would be very interested in having that picture (since it is one of the very few of him that there is around). so if you got this, have a scanner or something, please email me would mean a lot - and you'd be rewarded =) _belle and sebastian dream i had my first ever belle and sebastian dream two nights ago. i used to think it was weird of people to dream about bands but now i am just as weird. they were on this swedish music game show called 'bumerang' which is kind of cheesy 'feel-good' tv. they played live there one song (like some smaller or older swedish bands sometimes do) and they performed a version of rolling stones 'the salt of the earth'. it was pretty damn good if i remember correctly. _orange juice is there anyone who have heard orange juice album "ostrich graveyard"? i just wonder if this album is a different verion of "you can't hide your love forever" or if it is a completely different record. i guess it is really hard to find or something. _i wanna see belle and sebastian live why won't they post them uk tour dates? i wanna go see stuart and co sing and play! love l.o.v.e. johan http://www.hayfever.net http://www.hayfever.net/jimorourke +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kittenmouse at xxx.com Wed Jun 7 19:05:23 2000 From: kittenmouse at xxx.com (kittenmouse radio) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 11:05:23 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Twins? Nuh-uh. In-Reply-To: <200006070952.KAA05814@missprint.org> Message-ID: Hello, That is, no, not twins, and not a mirror. Photoshop, anyone? Cut and paste? That is what I think, anyway. I love the album. Matador. Ugh. So slow. We didn't get the album at the college radio station I work at until the day AFTER it was released worldwide. What's up with that? (Rhetorical question, by the way). -Andrea +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sophie at xxx.uk Wed Jun 7 19:03:45 2000 From: sophie at xxx.uk (sophie watkinson) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:03:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the ramblings of a middle class school kid In-Reply-To: <200006071724.SAA27414@missprint.org> References: <200006071724.SAA27414@missprint.org> Message-ID: hoho. ahoy. yes: i've been watching childrens t.v. again. has anybody else seen it. a load of plasticine things that go around on a pirate ship saying; ohho. ahoy. ho ho ho, ahoy. god it's boring. but it was that or more binomial distributions and compound angle revision. needless to say i chose mindless plasticine pirates. i had my last english exam today, which is good because it means i never have to "textually analyse" a book again in my life, i can just get on with *reading* and *enjoying* them. but it was also bad because it was the worse exam i've ever done in my life. everyone expects A's and they all think english is so *easy*. goddamit, i think i've just failed and everyone will be so disappointed. and you lot don't help do you. going on about fishyclap and i haven't even got it yet because i've had exams all week. but all is not lost: i get to see alfie on firday night in leeds. is anyone from here going btw? i can't wait for that because i haven't been out for ages what with exams and all. hopefully should be going on somewhere else after if my mates can stretch to it. its a shame because they don't finish their exams this week like i do, so until they do i'll have to party on my own. no change there then. i went to a party last week actually, my only night out in months. i got so excited by the prospect of *actual human company* that after i'd finished my bottle of wine, which generally gets me *nicely drunk but not hungover*, i went on to demolish my mates vodka and his beer. needless to say an hour later i was lying on the bathroom floor moaning and spewing. i was so ashamed, i haven't done that for at least...oohhh, three months. my dad offered to buy me some clothes, which was very generous of him. so i sent off for a bus t shirt. i always wanted one but funds could never stretch. can't wait to get it and wear it *all* the time. theres a lot of people who would recognise it round here suprisingly enough. in the past two months me and my friend have been on a mission. by buying lots of C90's and spending valuable revision time writing sleeve notes for various b&s masterpieces i think we've converted about 6 close friends. ok, maybe not converted, but they all seem pleasantly suprised and a couple trotted off the buy eps, albums etc. so maybe i'm not doomed to an eternity of loneliness. the real reason i did it, actually, is because it's my 18th soon and for my party im gonna make sure the dj plays loads of b&s. give him all my cds and what not. so i didn't want to be bopping along all on me tod. kay. sorry if this rambles. you know how it goes. us skool kidz always have far too much time on our hands. love sophie xox +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From starpiekat at xxx.uk Wed Jun 7 20:07:30 2000 From: starpiekat at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Sarah=20Clarke?=) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:07:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Ten Feet Fall Message-ID: <20000607190730.25282.qmail@web1701.mail.yahoo.com> Dear you lot, Nicks subject line made me think of a wonderful quote by someone from the Stranglers, that I read about in the hilarious tale of a hyperactive pain in the arse gobshite called Mark Radcliffes book. Apparently, the fat old scumbags that were the stranglers were playing in some chrome'n'steel venue in Greater Manchesters Trendy Bolton, and were blessed with the offering of many plastic glasses hailing onto the stage during their "performance". Brandishing one of the glasses, Mr Jean Jaques Michelle Jarre or whatever his name was said: "Plastic glasses, yeah, thrown by plastic people, in a plastic world". Superb. We need more quotes like that in Pop. The best other quote that I read recently was in Smash Hits, by Anika (UGLY) from Girl Thing: ur lets see if I can remember this. On why she has a scar on her arm: "When I was born, I had an extra muscle in my arm, one that only monkeys have. They cut it all out and now I have a big scar." What the hell?? MONKEYS? People with monkey muscles are now taking over Planet Pop? Was' goin' on wit' dat? Sorry I can't send you a lot of detailed analysis about the new B&S album, but I don't have it. I nearly bought it today, along with a German compilation of girlie...stuff, but then I decided I'd prefer to go to Waitrose and spend the money on orange wodka. And then I decided that I just HAD to try the new flavour Haagen Daz and buy Smash Hits. I have too many cd's to pack up already. The thing is, if they'd had the new Aislers Set record, there would have been no hesitation. I'm not going to say that as the record didn't instantly grab my heart that it can't be great - as when I first found the band they DID take a while to grow on me... it's just that... well. Perhaps they should have put Kerr Smith on the cover, instead of those Icelandic chicks. They ARE twins, I'm sure, aren't they in that wierd shit music experimental shiznitz? Is that a word? Have a nice time at the Embra picnic, you lot... Sarah x ===== "But just remember, when your teacher told you to always find a home for stray animals, she wasn't referring to your rectum." -- DNA Mag-AZINE. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CountingStars at xxx.net Wed Jun 7 20:23:40 2000 From: CountingStars at xxx.net (Painting With Light) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:23:40 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: Sinister: I saw Keith Chegwin's dangly bits Message-ID: <20000607192343.8533.qmail@fsmail.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From LNino at xxx.com Wed Jun 7 20:54:26 2000 From: LNino at xxx.com (LNino at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:54:26 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Fold your fingers origami makers. Message-ID: <41D61E4C1F62D111A3B300805FE6B65401A99BA7@dalex6.dal.na.levi.com> Hi So I've been reading attentively to all the opinions about the album. I went home this last weekend and tried napster. i downloaded some songs and well.. I still haven't made up my mind about it. I think it's that bad habit of "expecting too much", and I guess that is why some bands just like B&S try to keep a low profile, so they can keep doing what they like, without the pressure of being better than the last time. I was hoping that I would find songs like Is it Wicked not to care, Simple things... ok. I can't expect that I know, since they are different people from last year or two years ago. But I was a bit disappointed in the lyrics of these last songs. Where are the images? where are the feelings? where is the honesty? I CAN'T FIND THE POINT! that's what I'm feeling... in songs like Family Tree, the tune is nice, and it's a cool song to play guitar to and sing on your own, but I can't see the point.. or at least lyrics this time don't call out to me. Although I must say that Waiting for the moon to rise is very pretty, I fought in a war is so sad and I love it.. i still have to listen to the CD which i ordered but I'm kinda wandering.. I don't know, I don't find it brilliant, just a good pop record, since at this time, we must recognise that there are excellent pop bands, all over the world... In japan for instance, in Sweden, France and Spain. I am listening to La Buena Vida, Le Mans, Club 8, from bubblegum to sky (even though I LOATHE the band name) corniche camomile, barcelona.. etc. They are really good, and some of these bands are lyrically above this last B&S album. I love B&S for what they've done, for who they are, for the history they have, and most of all because they bring together people like us. I've always felt that my emotion device is broken because I get sentimental almost over anything.. when I heard Get me away from here I'm dying.. I thought I had finally crossed the twilight zone and was in my planet again... It was a very important moment. I fear the success, I fear i'm going to have to carry the burden of seeing a bunch hollow teenagers feel so cool because they just discovered them, but most of all I'm afraid that what B&S has been, will from now on be a simple "was". juno. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From littlearsonist at xxx.com Wed Jun 7 21:06:59 2000 From: littlearsonist at xxx.com (marie elia) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: honest, brutal and afraid of you Message-ID: <20000607200700.12083.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> right. hello. is this a revival of TOPICS, or did it never die?? anyway... OBLIGATORY FYHCYWLAP COMMENTS: * first, i ventured out yesterday in the Pouring rain to arrive at the rekkid store when it opened. i am a Big Dork. * sarah rocks my world, if that is indeed sarah then. let her do More! i love the lines "'cos the days are long where i come from/ the next few days i'm free/ there's a train i want to catch" ... and i love the sort of resigned tone it starts with. *with which it starts* * who the Hell is singing on Beyond the Sunrise? i hate it. but don't They say that you should examine closely the things you hate? that there is some reflection of yrself that you deplore also? or am i making that up? there, i've just skipped that track. * lucy alder wrote: > Does anyone know any girls who talk about their 'time'? nope... but the part about "i don't think i could stand to take the test" is pretty wrenching ... but really, it's like stuart shies away from certain words... like "chest" for breasts on "the model," which i like quite a lot. the song that is, not breasts. then again.... did anyone else get really happy about lisa Getting Some Action in this song, by the way? i was pretty stoked. good for lisa. where can i get some of that?? * nick dastoor wrote: > 'Woman's Realm' annoys me. To me it really sounds like "Here's > the obligatory B&S rave up". It's *OK*, but something of a > lower-grade retread of 'The Boy with the Arab Strap' and > 'Dirty Dream Number Two'. totally. and i'll leave it at that. TWINS it seems like they're set up to Look like mirror images, maybe playing on the twins thing. but there's two icelandic girls' names listed in the liner notes, so... STRUAN IN A UNIFORM on that inside photo... good lord. /me pulls on her collar, getting hot and bothered. is that so wrong?? T-SHIRTS i saw two kids (a boy and a girl) at TT's in boston last saturday night in study at stow shirts... any of you lot?? APARTMENT LIFE, etc. i have relocated to boston... though all my friends are in new york... or western pa... blah. but i have secured employment in the University Wine Shop near harvard square. this means... employee discounts. fucking hell, i can just See my paychecks going to support my Habit, and no i don't mean my crochet-ing habit... i just spend my days reading now. all y'all should read "the basic eight." what's better than a girl scorned pummeling a boy's head into the ground?? it'd take a fucking lot to top that, i say. anyone going to see the clientele in boston tomorrow night?? xoxo, ree ===== *********************************************************** "to me she was just marie." -mersault "hearts don't break/ the division is innate" -secret stars | eliam at alleg.edu | littlearsonist at yahoo.com | *********************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kittenmouse at xxx.com Wed Jun 7 21:55:01 2000 From: kittenmouse at xxx.com (Andrea Kittenmouse) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 13:55:01 PDT Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Fishyclap Listening Party, Portland Style Message-ID: <20000607205501.69233.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi, I wanted to let everyone (well, everyone who lives in Portland, OR on the list) know that on kittenmouse radio next week we'll be having a Belle and Sebastian Fishyclap Listening Party. The location (on the radio) will be 1450 am; time: 8-10 pm. So listen in, call in if you want to talk about Belle and Sebastian, or whatever (the phone number is 503-725-5945). I'll try to figure out how to put callers on the air before then (of course, you wouldn't have to be on the air if you don't want to be). Sincerely, Andrea ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Wed Jun 7 22:04:23 2000 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:04:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The Freewheelin' Stevie Jackson Message-ID: <000101bfd0c5$560b9e80$0b3e01d5@default> Hi All, I reckon anyone dissin' Mr D is taking a BIG risk. Have you ever seen what happens when a vat of boiling maple syrup is poured all over a person? A seriously sticky end. Here's the hot poop on the "exhausted" story (from the Geometrid message board): "Hi everyone, This is Stuart and Karn. We'd like to apologise to the people who bought tickets for the cancelled shows. Apparently we are "exhausted", and although we're tired after touring Scandanavia and America that's not why the shows were cancelled. They were cancelled due to poor promotion, resulting in poor ticket sales. Being away on tour we didn't have a chance to make sure people were doing their jobs, and they weren't. Hopefully we'll be able to play again soon. Love S+k" Mr Miller hits the nail on the head again. Thanks to Soul Boy Steve for the url to the Wrong Girl vid. My ancient PC doesn't like video, so I could only make out 7 Dylan references amongst the murk. Favourite is the Dylan/Suze Rotolo arm in arm walking down the street shot: "I think you're obsessed". Tee Hee. I'm off now, to try Mr Grumpy's alternative running order. Bye, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ELZober at xxx.com Wed Jun 7 22:31:50 2000 From: ELZober at xxx.com (ELZober at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:31:50 EDT Subject: Sinister: Twins at their finest.... Message-ID: <3a.622dfd6.26701946@aol.com> hello all.... rumor has it that the two girls on the front are twins from Iceland ... the country, not the grocery store.... and, as i heard the photo was taken in Iceland.... mind you, i could be wrong on both scores... all this nattering on about twins and reviews.... no one has really talked about what went on on TOTP... SO - anyone who saw and would like to fill me in on it, please mail me privately.... lovely.... otherwise..... please send honey lots of happy sinsiter thoughts... please note, that reads 'thoughts' not emails..... as i also hear he has a touch of the cold just now... :) elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From colinboy21 at xxx.com Thu Jun 8 00:08:57 2000 From: colinboy21 at xxx.com (colin thornton) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 16:08:57 PDT Subject: Sinister: Learning how to smirk Message-ID: <20000607230857.81509.qmail@hotmail.com> Fishyclap is my new favorite Belle and Sebastian album. I understand that its taking a while for it to sink in for most people, but I think about listening to it all day long. I'm driving my roomate crazy by putting it on repeat. Sinister and Tigermilk are getting old to listen to. They still sound great, but I've made them a redundancy by overexposure. I think all of the songs are solid. "Beyond the Sunrise" seems like a tribute to the Magnetic Fields. It is definitely floating on Gentle Waves, which is why I like it. Sarah takes the cake, though. Rolling Stones wrote that if Nick Drake were alive, and he had learned how to smirk, he would have loved the new B&S album. I think this is so true because Fishyclap sounds extraordinarily like Bryter Layter (having the same 70s blues/funky-jazz arrangements). I love what Tony Doogan has done with the studio sound. Is it him that I should appreciate or new styles of instruments? In any case, it sounds very clear. Can anybody tell me what different instruments each band member can play? I've seen Sarah play violin, recorder, sitar, and bass guitar, which are all very different. Is there a website that indicates who plays what instruments for different songs? Colin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From burns_alan29 at xxx.com Wed Jun 7 21:59:09 2000 From: burns_alan29 at xxx.com (Alan Burns) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:59:09 GMT Subject: Sinister: pheeeeew. thanks Nick.... Message-ID: <20000607205910.11396.qmail@hotmail.com> Nick Dastoor wrote: Hmm... I have real problems with 'The Chalet Lines'. It's like a trial you have to go through each time you hear the album. Does it really tell us anything about rape? It just seems to be a succession of cliches about the way women who have been raped feel in its aftermath. If it were a woman singing about it from personal experience, then maybe it would different, but Sensitive Stan as Stuart is, I just don't think it serves any purpose, which to my mind makes it gratutitous. No doubt it's better read as a personal evocation of his own feelings, but I just end up resenting it for being so... boring. I don't feel the emotion that someone else remarked upon at all. At least it's short. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- so now at last, I too can shout it from the rooftops: I'm sorry, but I just can't stand that song at all. and I can normally stomach a lot lyrically: Lou Reed's "Berlin" did after all last a full six months on my CD rack before I knew I'd inflicted too many psycholoical (and physical) wounds on myself, and finally got rid of it, but "The Chalet Lines" is just way too much. I mean, come on. any bloke singing stuff like that. to my mind, that's gratuitous, tactless and grossly offensive to women. I can obviously appreciate how "Me And A Gun" is a very harrowing account of real pain felt by a woman; but a man trying to relate a story like that? it's just sick. sorry, but that's how I feel. and I love Stuart as a lyricist. this time, though, is the only time I'll accuse him of self-indulgence and I have to believe that it's as if he's thinking 'I'm "Stuart Murdoch", Copyright, Registered Trademark, etc, therefore I can get away with singing something like this'. sorry once more to anyone who's genuinely been touched and moved by this song, but this is my personal ideology and belief on the matter: I won't be listening to it again. anyway, rant over!! some other thoughts, then, as the album starts to grow on me with each listen.... Nice Day For A Sulk. I love it; it's absolute classic Belle & Sebastian, could've fit on IYFS, and to my ears it's the most upbeat song on the album, and one of my personal favourites. that song arriving in my life at the start of a rainy, gloomy summer with a rollercoaster love-life just suits my whole situation perfectly. Beyond The Sunrise. I see it's been causing a fair bit of controversy over the fact it's such an obvious departure in style!! I was trying to place where I'd heard anything like that before, and then someone on the list mentioned Nancy Sinatra & Lee Hazelwood, and it made perfect sense. Anyone who's heard the two of them duetting on "Sand" ('young woman, share your fire with me...') or Lee's woozy, boozy half-remembered reminisces on "Summer Wine" will appreciate where this is coming from. And as I'm already deeply entrenched in Johnny Cash, Nick Cave & Leonard Cohen, the vocal doesn't grate with me at all. A really good grower for me; wasn't sure first couple of listens, but now I love it. I Fought In A War. Stuart dusts off his big book of Arthur Lee chord progressions once more, and fashions another beautiful, sweepy ballad. One thing though; it's strikes me that B&S could end up with a serious self-parody/cliche problem on their hands: that's four albums in a row that've all started off with a plaintive wee Stuart vocal; can we have a bit of punchy bombast at the start of the next album, just for a change?? Great song though, with some really touching lyrical moments. Waiting For The Moon To Rise: I thought this was Isobel!! it's absolutely gorgeous as a first offering from Sarah though. Don't Leave The Light On Baby: the harmonies towards the end are the most beautiful I've ever heard on any Belle & Sebastian song. lots of audible shades of my favourite Velvet Underground album, the untitled third one. The Wrong Girl: yeah, it is a bit country-influenced...which is great for me, though (you should see some of the corners of my CD collection that I tend to hid from most of my friends!!) I realise I haven't mentioned every single song on the album, but this is all the stuff that's on my mind about it at this stage. One more I'd like to mention; my undisputed favourite, Family Tree. The lyrics bring back so many memories of me getting kicked out of Higher Maths lectures for daydreaming, then going to the Music Dept and writing some songs, that it's almost unbearably poignant *sniff*; and it's got a gorgeous melody, and perfect for Isobel's voice. pleeeease don't take this post the wrong way, anybody, it's just a load of opinions. I've read everyone elses thoughts too, and considered them. this is the second time I've been involved in a fans' mailing list for a band or artist when a new album comes out (other time was just last month for Neil Young's "Silver & Gold") and both times have been totally fascinating, to see the different opinions of so many people when they're all exposed to a new album at roughly the same time. "Nothing I say is written in stone!" (Neil Young, "Don't Cry") ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From edb213 at xxx.edu Thu Jun 8 00:49:04 2000 From: edb213 at xxx.edu (Eric D Brasure) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Watch out, Isobel's got a knife! Message-ID: Belle and Sebastian are not yours. There, I've said it. They're never going to make another record like "Tigermilk" or "Sinister", they've grown up a bit and it sounds and is good. If you want to be disappointed, you'll find a way. After "Legal Man" I was quite worried, but my fears have been assuaged. The songs are strong and well-done, and the little part after the line "Oh what's the fucking point at all" in "The Chalet Lines" where you can hear Stuart swallow is amazing. Oh, and "Beyond the Sunrise" is fab, even if I think that it would have worked much better as a B-side. I left my copy of the new album on my desk at work today as I went to the restroom, and when I returned someone was eagerly flipping through the liner notes. So I found a B&S fan in Delaware! Isn't it weird how two people that don't know each other at all can proceed to having a 10-minute conversation about music? Pauses between the "sides" of albums: has anyone else noticed this? On all four, there's a 10-13 second gap of silence where the tracks are split in half, like they would be on a tape or record. Is this a common CD trick, or have I noticed something really quite bizarre and uncommon? Bye, Eric P.S. Spin review of the album: http://www.spin.com/heavy/bigrotation/ "If you start out depressed, everything's a pleasant surprise." -Lloyd Dobler +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elfie at xxx.ie Thu Jun 8 02:11:35 2000 From: elfie at xxx.ie (nickie) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:11:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: televised mayhem Message-ID: <200006080109.CAA07442@missprint.org> >From a Matador mail-out. It don't say nuffink new but I just liked the fact of B&S being mentioned in the same breath as GG Allin. can't say that happens very often... Belle & Sebastian - Televised Mayhem The new multi-format smasheroo "Legal Man" entered the U.S. singles chart at No. 47 (No. 15 in the U.K.), which is a very triumphant moment for those of us who believe that quality music is more important than silly charts (which is why we're bragging about the chart numbers). To commemorate these achievments, BELLE & SEBASTIAN appeared on the BBC's venerable "Top Of The Pops" television program this past friday evening. For those of you who haven't seen the show before, try to imagine "American Bandstand" with a lot less dancing. Tabloid rag The Mirror are reporting that the band snuck into the set of the top-rated soap opera "East Enders" and were hauled away by the police. It reminds me of the time GG Allin was booked to appear on "The Morten Downey Jr. Show," but had to hide on the set of "People Are Talking" during a cooking segment, because the police were looking for him. Don't these "peace officers" have anything better to do than harrass musicians? Last time I mailed to the list I got a threatening mail back - and on Christmas Day too. Hopefully there's nothing offensive enough to warrant personal insults or threats to my personal safety in the above. Unless the allusion of Belle and Sebastian to a man that did poos on stage is enough to have me tarred and feathered live in the Sinister chat-room...which has always been a fantasy of mine. nickie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ditko37 at xxx.com Thu Jun 8 05:57:29 2000 From: ditko37 at xxx.com (ditko37 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 00:57:29 -0400 Subject: Sinister: OT : New BORED WITH TODAY Songs For Downloadin'! Message-ID: <393F27B9.60A4B36A@interlog.com> The day for which you've never knew you were waiting has arrived! BORED WITH TODAY, the heppest indie band north of the U.S. border, has released their first-ever single, available for download for FREE on their web-site! It's a swingin', Double A-Sided affair featuring the two new songs... a. GOOD CLEANING STAFFS COME AND GO a. I ATTRACT GAY MEN You can also download the artwork for the CD case, should you choose (as if you had a choice) to burn your own CD Single of the band's latest opus. AND, as if your heart hadn't stopped already, the site had been completely re-designed, with tonnes of bitchin' new pictures of the duo that is Blake Bell and Len Lumbers. Read all about it in the LATEST NEWS section at... http://www.boredwithtoday.com/news.html Commentary is welcome. We've got the hate mail to prove it. Now, off to be banned by mp3.com again... SINcerely, the guys swimming in your waterbed at : http://www.boredwithtoday.com/ or http://www.mp3.com/Bored_With_Today +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From julesmarkham at xxx.net Thu Jun 8 08:27:31 2000 From: julesmarkham at xxx.net (julesmarkham) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:27:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: impossible dreams #3 Message-ID: <001901bfd11f$76422160$ae19ac3e@tonygeorge> hey sinister folks, there is a newcomer to the world of jubilee and the little black fox, a starling called Eric. he's lovely and bright and shimmery. jubilee loves the starling, and the starling loves her back, even if she is a bit taller than him. the fox adores him too, even though his shimmery, jangly feathers make her think she might be dowdy. he says no, as she sparkles from within. their story is like impossible dreams, but it took seven months, not seven years. jules x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Thu Jun 8 09:57:56 2000 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:57:56 +0100 Subject: Sinister: There's too much content to go around these day-ays Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E22DB3D10@SERVER1> A slightly irritated mail for you all this morning. Harrumph. Stuart David is a slacker indeed - but his job IS to please us. He's a musician, that's how he earns his money, so he needs to make records people want to buy so that he continues his career. Is that trite enough? If, as the bald facts seem to suggest, he cancels his tour because he can't be arsed, then I reckon people do have a right to be pissed off with him - not only the bookers, organisers, publicity bods and assorted corporate hos who have been dicked around, but the fans who have been let down. Perhaps he has better reasons that he's not revealing - though it's not exactly out of character now, is it? Rachel, as I have moaned before, yes we do have a pound sign. Isn't that strange, it being our currency and all? Grrr.. The reviews are coming thick and fast - here's my tuppence'th. Fell free to ignore, as it's not very interesting. The new album has its moments, but didn't exactly surpass modest expectations. It has the ...Arab Strap mishmash of fabbo songs, nice songs that make you grin in an understated way, and then the disappointments. I've listened to the album about 40 times over the last 2 months (not a boast, just an attempt to put my comments into context), so I think my feelings aren't going to change all that much in the near future. So, starting from the poorer end of the album in a top ten countdown stylee... Nice Day for a Sulk is filler - a half-finished idea, a couple of nice sounds, tossed off with suitably diffident lyrics. I agree that Stu's voice is a little grating here, unlike in Slow Goatherds, where it's "soaring", "iridescent", whatever you like really. Beyond the Sunrise is a travesty - it's a Gentle Waves song with an ego, and should have been exiled to side 2 of Isobel's forthcoming opus, which I am genuinely looking forward to. Unfortunately, more than anything, it ruins the concept of this record as an Album in the anal record collector "organic" sense. It's just not a Belle and Sebastian song. Dastoor, although a lot of what you say is spot on, I fear you're speaking arse about I Fought in a War It just doesn't do anything very interesting. It's pleasant, like Rollercoaster Ride is pleasant, like Mayfly is pleasant - they're all B&S on autopilot, winsomely going over old ground but not developing or surprising. It's PREDICTABLE. Shame. Don't Leave the Light on Baby *may* grow on me - I do like it a lot, but it's not something that works for me all that well. The music is always 90% of an album for me (though bands like B&S make things so much better with fantastic words), and DLTLOB, while it does mostly work, isn't what the band do best. The Chalet Lines is a lovely little song, and even those who feel uncomfortable with the content must feel that it's a brave and different tack for Struan to take. It's not a departure musically, though - in fact, it has an almost recycled feel. Waiting for the Moon to Rise is a really nice (and I'm using that word carefully) ditty, sung with charm, but it's not the work of a mature songwriter, and though it gets good marks and lots of encouragement ("Sarah has made a lot of progress this term"), it's not a great deal more than Sarah's first step to what could be a very interesting writing career. Stevie's Wrong Girl is a lovely if limited song, simple, warm and satisfying. However, it also represents my biggest tangible problem with the album - the over-proliferation of uncharacteristically soulless strings. I would normally react against comments like the one I'm about to make, but I feel a bit betrayed by the fact this album is B&S plus session musos, when part of their charm previously has been the fact that, even if they're not the most gifted, they've always played the instruments themselves (trainspotters need not point out that their mum's mate's cousin played second triangle on Slow Graffiti, you all know what I'm getting at), and have worked within their limits to craft genuine 100% Belle and Sebastian songs. The inevitable outcome is either a stage filled with dubious 40-somethings with ponytails and girls in little black dresses, or songs which sound weedy and half-arsed played live. Now I come to think about it, this has happened before, with the brass section in Dirty Dream. Which, unfashionably, I have always been a bit disappointed with. Could there be a connection? Family Twee (ahem) is fun. I can well believe Stuart wrote the music - back to the old skool of simple, naïve songwriting a la "Belle and Sebastian". But the lyrics? They're insecure and often fail to make the point obviously intended - mawkish is the best word I can think of, though I know Tim Hopkins has a few choice suggestions of his own about the lyrics. I suggest you read his version, as he'll put it more eloquently (and angrily) than me. Bel's singing is standard Bel - no complaints, but it doesn't really push my buttons. Though she does seem to be denying she's a profiterole. So, the best three for last. Apart from some people having issues with Woman's Realm, this seems to be the already-accepted triumvirate of cracking tunes. Woman's Realm is actually my favourite - have they ever written anything more singalong (and the chords are none too tricky either)? I'm still uncertain about the strings (see above), but it's joyous, funny, bouncy and boppy. Ideal dance music. The Model, for me, underachieves. I think the opening is actually a slightly subdued Century of Fakers, which isn't a favourite, and though the vocal line is as swooping and swooning and fantastic as anything they've done, the backing tends to be paper thin until the musos bulk it out. But these are small complaints. It's smashing. It's just a pity it didn't become their crowning achievement as maybe it could have. And Too Much Love, which in my raddled memory was the focus of much of our earnest ruminations round Juicy Lucy's, is grate. And great. The chorus is a wee bit weak, but then demanding perfection from a band who've made a career out of their imperfections is a bit harsh. Otherwise, belle and Sebastian, top marks. Have a sweetie. Overall - not in the same league as Tigermilk and Sinister, but working hard in the division below along with Arab Strap. Shame it's so bitty, but the New Democracy within the band is obviously something they find inspires them, and if we need a Beyond the Sunrise for every Woman's realm, I'm happy to make the compromise. I can't say I agree with Nick's tracklisting, though - how depressing to get to side 2 and know that all but one of the best songs has already gone? Just dump Sulk and Sunrise and I'd be happy. There. That's all. Dave, for what it's worth, B&S have previously made videos for fun - Is it Wicked not to Care, for example (and it's just as embarrassingly fey as you'd imagine, though it does include a Stuart David FORCED to wear a badge with Belle and Sebastian written on it in a yellow star of David stylee) - so I wouldn't worry too much about it being singlified. Enough? God yes. Markx p.s. Nick, I hope you don't think I'm having a go at you personally - your review, like all great journalism, both inspired and riled me into responding. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From giita at xxx.com Thu Jun 8 10:27:59 2000 From: giita at xxx.com (Giita .) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 09:27:59 GMT Subject: Sinister: The twin answers Message-ID: <20000608092800.7301.qmail@hotmail.com> I heard people say "Iceland and twins" so I thought I might poke my head out of my igloo.. Peter Miller wrote: >Well, those two girls on the cover of the new album certainly look >like >nutters to me. They're from Iceland, aren't they? Alan Singfield wrote: >Are they twins, or is it a mirror? Look very carefully at where the >girl on the left's index finger is against the white swirl on the >book. >The girl on the right's index finger is against the *black* >swirl. A-ha! >Do I have the detective ability of Poirot or what? Or it >could just be the >angle the photo was taken at... David Kerr wrote: >'ve noticed that in a few of the mails today there has been a slight >discussion about the new album cover.Is it a mirror? Or Are they twins? >Well with my high level of intelligence >Laughs out loud to receive > >strange looks from colleagues in the office< and intellect >Another >big >chuckle< I would say that they are definitely twins.For starters >one of >the girls has their mouth open. Also if you look closely at the >two books >one of them is open slightly at the corner where the other >one is not (I >think).And another thing. One of the girls has slightly >longer hair than >the other one and it also seems to be sitting >differently. The books are >also sitting at a completely different >angle from each other. Kittenmouse/Andrea wrote: >That is, no, not twins, and not a mirror. Photoshop, anyone? Cut > >andpaste? Those two girls *are* twins, their names are Gyda and Kristin and go to my college in Reykjavik,Iceland. They are in a band called M�m from Thule Records: http://www.oz.is/thulemusik/artists/mum.html ..I think the evil twin is Gyda, I'm not shure though..I don't like that picture,there's something about it that is very very disturbing,and the thought of having baseball tee shirts of *big* evil twin heads is even more disturbing... Anyway, That was why I crawled out of my igloo for.. oh,oh me and Joss(former listee) will be going to Skotland on the 15th-19th of June,we are meeting some of you there, if there is some one else that want's to meet up, let me know.. frost kisses, XXX Giita ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Thu Jun 8 10:45:05 2000 From: ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:45:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Nice Day For A Mood Message-ID: <393F7930.13084.A39B60@localhost> Hi there I'm in a bit of a tense mood today, so I won't say much, but I have to say something about the new album, don't I? After trying to resist the temptation of a preview tape, I failed hopelessly, so I've been listening to it for about a month now. Here are my considered opinions: I Fought In A War, The Model and There's Too Much Love are all GRATE, with a capital G, R, A, T, E. The first two songs are perhaps the best opening pair of songs they've done, so the rest was bound to be a bit disappointing. Waiting For The Moon To Rise is pretty cool, though the lyrics aren't that great. I don't think Don't Leave The Light On ... is as good as some people seem to, but it's pretty adventurous, and it makes you listen. I like the Chalet Lines, if you can really use such a weak word about a song about rape. It's not a singalong classic, but I think it's rather poignant. I'm quite fond of Nice Day For A Sulk too, although it will please a friend of mine who says that Belle and Sebastian songs all sound like Messing About On The River. Woman's Realm is a good song, but it really sums up what's wrong with the album, I think. It's been said before, by me as well, I think, but when you start to use an orchestra, the danger is that things get too orchestrated, and that's what's happened. I don't wan't Belle and Sebastian to be endearingly shambolic (well, mybe a bit), but I don't want their songs to be lifeless. I think the song's great, but the orchestration lets it down, and the handclaps on this sound like the're being played by John Shuttleworth on his Bontempi organ. I like Family Tree, and don't think you can really read much into it, so I won't bother. And.... Beyond the Sunrise isn't that bad. It doesn't fit on the album at all, it it's easily the weakest song and I don't know what the hell Stevie was thinking of with that accent, but it's got some lush heavenly voices on it, and that sort of think always tweaks my bells. So, in my opinion, it's certainly not Tigermilk or If You're Feeling Sinister, but I think it's more of an *album* than TBWTAS, rather than a collection of songs. The production's good, the orchestration is a little limp, but it's not terrible. And it's got some ace sleevenotes, too. Truly, Stuart Murdoch is a poet. Robin x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Wed Jun 7 22:04:23 2000 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:04:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The Freewheelin' Stevie Jackson Message-ID: <000001bfd0c4$c1be39e0$0b3e01d5@default> Hi All, I reckon anyone dissin' Mr D is taking a BIG risk. Have you ever seen what happens when a vat of boiling maple syrup is poured all over a person? A seriously sticky end. Here's the hot poop on the "exhausted" story (from the Geometrid message board): "Hi everyone, This is Stuart and Karn. We'd like to apologise to the people who bought tickets for the cancelled shows. Apparently we are "exhausted", and although we're tired after touring Scandanavia and America that's not why the shows were cancelled. They were cancelled due to poor promotion, resulting in poor ticket sales. Being away on tour we didn't have a chance to make sure people were doing their jobs, and they weren't. Hopefully we'll be able to play again soon. Love S+k" Mr Miller hits the nail on the head again. Thanks to Soul Boy Steve for the url to the Wrong Girl vid. My ancient PC doesn't like video, so I could only make out 7 Dylan references amongst the murk. Favourite is the Dylan/Suze Rotolo arm in arm walking down the street shot: "I think you're obsessed". Tee Hee. I'm off now, to try Mr Grumpy's alternative running order. Bye, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From WarranderJ at xxx.uk Thu Jun 8 12:37:17 2000 From: WarranderJ at xxx.uk (Warrander John - FML) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:37:17 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Dancing In The Street Message-ID: <528B4DF333E2D311A784000629396D06014DCA@MASSLAB1> Hello Friends, There does seem to be an awful lot of nit-picking going on with the latest, greatest, 12" vinyl, LP recorded output of our oh-so wonderful heroes. What the fuck's that all about then? If I read another bloody review that says something like "but it really sums up what's wrong with the album". Why does there have to be something wrong with the album? Why isn't there more "this is what's so right about this album" or "that's what makes this album so fucking great". Now I know lots of people love the album. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with not liking the album. Or even bits of the album. But there does seem to be a lot of reviews being posted that read like one of their goals is to pick faults and therefore, possibly subconsciously, show how this album falls short of the almost insurmountable heights achieved by Tigermilk and Sinister. Maybe it's cos people feel in their hearts that it isn't as good/meaningful/whatever as the earlier stuff. Maybe some of you are just a whole lot more realistic than me. But it doesn't half grate, especially when all you want is uncontrollable hyperbole and gushing enthusiasm and excitement and joy and the thrill that comes when pop music makes you feel so unbelievably good that you shake with excitement cos you realise life can feel that good. I suppose what I really want is fanzine prose. Probably cos that's what I wanted when I was a spotty teenager and Belle and Sebastian are one of the only bands around these days making records that make me as excited now as lots of bands used to make me when I was a teenager. And this excitement somehow needs the empathy of you lot to make it real. And frankly, the last few days (with exceptions of course) has sort of made the release of Belle and Sebastian's fourth album seem a bit of an anti-climax, a bit of a disappointment, a bit flat. Belle and Sebastian are the greatest fucking pop band in the world at the moment. Bar none. Presumably we're all here cos we love Belle and Sebastian. And this kind of makes it our moment too. We should be savouring this moment. Soaking up every last drop of emotion. When I'm in one of my more retro moods I sometimes wonder how amazing it would have been to go to a record shop the day Pet Sounds was released, take the record home, put it on, then sit down and listen to that amazing music for the very first time. What would be my reaction? How would have I felt? What emotion would there have been? Well bollocks to that. I did that on Monday. We should be bloody celebrating that we're here now and in love with such an incredibly special band. Cos they're not going to be around forever. And there might never be a band as special as them to us individually ever again. Imagine that. I find that quite scary. I meant to draw an analogy here between pop-kids and Labour supporters but remembering most of the political rhetoric that's popped up on the list I suppose to a large extent we're pretty much one and the same (apart from Northy - obviously). Isn't it depressing how when the Tories are in power, no matter how shit they are, they still managed to mount a relentless attack on Labour and there's always this underlying monster in their rhetoric of the "nightmare scenario" of a Labour Government. Yet all we get from Labour supporters is whinging about how shit Labour are. Me included. They are shit. But what's going to happen if we moan too much? We're going to end up with a fucking Tory government for most of the 21st century as well. So what's the answer? Well, you could stop being so bloody negative for starters. Or the next album you buy may well have William Hague on lead vocals. And how bloody grating would that be? Needless to say I'm not going to be the one providing the ray of sunshine. But I will go as far to say that I think the new album is absolutely superb. I'd love to be able to gush about it and to make you all feel good. But I can't. I know my limitations. I'd love to gush about the TOTP performance too. Cos it made me dance around my lounge like a spaz - which may or may not be how Stuart M was dancing, depending on your view on life. I can't remember ever dancing round my living room like a spaz to TOTP. Well, not since the hits from Grease were top of the charts in the 70s. So it was possibly the best TOTP ever. Even better than the Smiths? Comparisons like that are so stupid, so I won't even bother. It made me really wish I still went to hot nitespots in town so I could dance like a spaz in public though. And I'm sure there's a point to made somewhere about how Legal Man being mimed on TOTP was so much more joyful than the much better Middle Distance Runner being done live on that awful millennium Tube thing. Such is the vagaries of life I suppose. It shows you should be careful about what you pass judgement on though. Especially before it's even happened. Enough of that though. Gitta said... > Joss(former listee) will be going to Skotland which made me sort of sad cos I want Joss to be a current listee. And I want to go to Scotland too. And drink with Joss. Even if I would be ill for days afterwards. But I can't. I think that angry Mark Casarotto fellow would be wise to reconcile himself to first division football next season before he gets himself in trouble~. That's about it then. I doubt I love any of you but never mind, love...John +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Thu Jun 8 15:02:11 2000 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:02:11 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Is Wu-Tang Clan Superstar Inspektah Deck's Real Name Inspector Derek? Message-ID: <005101bfd152$3efdb100$8c9e243e@itjfvkli> I was going to say that the male vocals on "Beyond the Sunrise" are by the now-legendary gorilla, but then I thought that I might have already said that about the male vocals on "Legal Man" so I went back and read all the guff I've been spouting lately to make sure, and by the time I'd done that it didn't seem very funny anymore. But I'll say it anyway - it's the gorilla. Personally, I love the song. It doesn't make me dance like a spazz, but it does remind me of when I was a teenager. It reminds me of those early Jesus and Mary Chain B-sides that droned on and on for about ten minutes, with only a trickle of feedback, the odd tambourine jangle and the occasional grunted word like "suck", "fuck", or "Cooke" for company. I haven't listened to the album much, and I haven't taken a blind bit of notice of most of the lyrics (rape, you say?) but I think it's easily the best B&S album so far. I seem to remember once making a serious point about how "Slow Grafitti" was BLUDDY GRATE because it had had the guts to poke its nose out of the cosy confines of Murdochland. That's why I like this new album so much. The only people in Murdochland now are the non-Murdoch members of the band, and as far as I'm concerned they can all piss off anyway. In a nice way, of course. Many thanks to Giita for answering my Icelandic questions. When I saw a message from Giita entitled "The twin answers" I thought it meant like "the twin is answering" so I was a bit frightened after having called them nutters. In fact I'd already made up a story about how it was the other twin who looked like a nutter, not Giita. Frankly, I thought my goose had been cooked. The touch of evil in th photograph is actually quite appropriate for the darker than usual contents. I'm beginning to think I was lying about not having listened to the lyrics. I'm glad Stuart has been a brave little soldier and has tackled the subject of rape to the best of his abilities, despite knowing that loads of people would slag him off, and probably fist him in the bogs. In fact, the lyrics make me wonder if Stuart was forcibly bummed during his time as a Butlins chaletmaid. Bear in mind I've been hitting the nail on the head quite a lot lately. Or with my head. Some people have been referring to positive things in a negative light : "progfest", "Bon Jovi" and "John Shuttleworth on his Bontempi organ" to name but three. I just mention this while we're in a "ticking off" phase. And as for Mark C's heavenly vision of a session orchestra, I'm speechless and unable to stand up in public. I'm really looking forward to England's game against Germany. Rat-tat-tat-tat-tat! Rat-tat-tat-tat-tat! Meeeeeeeooooowwww! Boom! Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Thu Jun 8 14:55:03 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:55:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: It's time to get behind the government Message-ID: <802568F8.004D88B3.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Yeah well John, like you say, you can't complain if people don't like the album or bits of the album. I don't know about anyone else, but it gave me no pleasure at all to be finding fault with it. When I heard it for the first time, I was so excited I nearly wet my pants. I get so much stick from people for liking this band that I was desperate for it to be a fucking masterpiece that would leaving them looking stupid. It's nothing to do with trying to protect the legacy of Sinister and Tigermilk. Hell, Tigermilk is probably only my third favourite of the albums. So I listened on, knowing that it wouldn't sink in properly for a while, thrilling at parts of it and scratching my head at others. And I listened again and again and I came to the decision that there are certain things about it that are never going to do anything but disappoint me. I know what you mean about the release seeming a bit of an anti-climax on Sinister. Blame it on advance copies and Napster, maybe. I dunno. Although actually the first two days of posts were mainly uncritical and excited, I reckon. When I posted mine, I few people emailed me to say 'oh, so it's not just me then', the implication being that the general vibe on the list was as enthusiastic as you would have wished. > I'd love to be able to gush about it and to make you all feel good. But I > can't. I know my limitations. Exactly. It's just harder to articulate excitement and what's great about music than it is to describe faults. I don't know much about fanzine writing, but if there's anyone out there who can enthuse about the album in the way like John wants, please start writing. I don't even know if your comments were aimed at me, but if they were then it's weird cause there's so much on the album that I love, and I thought I made that clear. 'I Fought In A War', 'The Model', 'Don't Leave The Light On Baby' and 'There's Too Much Love' are all *dizzingly* great; among the finest things they've ever recorded. Funnily enough, the last three are the ones the band themselves picked out at the press conference. Of course, everyone has their favourite tracks, and it's not good enough just to criticise the rest of the tracks for not being them. It's just there are some things (a *really* duff track, OTT orchestration and lapses of taste) that just grate too much for me to be able to take the album to my heart like I want to. OK, if the balanve needs redressing the balance a bit, here are few visceral thrills that Belle & Sebastian have given me recently: When the organ kicks after the false ending of 'Don't Leave The Light On Baby' and I start to understand why Mogwai think they can move me without words and then the devastating harmonies come in and I'm reminded why they can't. When Stevie pops in once a verse on 'The Model' and Stuart sounds so keen to sing the next line he almost interrupts him. When Stuart sings "And I reminded myself of the words you said, when we were getting on". Just becuase it's an impossibly sad line. Clean your ears out Casarotto. When Stevie's guitar goes 'downg downg downg' in the middle of 'The Wrong Girl' When Stuart sings 'It's safer not to look around' on 'There's Too Much Love' and the strings do some kind of progression (wrong word I expect, I know nothing) that lends the line such pathos I just want to drop to the floor and cry for my mother. And then when when he sings "With my face head down just staring at the brown for-mi-i-ca" it's just as bad. Oh, fuck it, the whole song. Will that do? N. x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From RAnder3567 at xxx.com Thu Jun 8 15:26:28 2000 From: RAnder3567 at xxx.com (RAnder3567 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:26:28 EDT Subject: Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V4 #181 Message-ID: In a message dated 6/8/00 10:21:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-sinister-digest at missprint.org writes: << Stuart David is a slacker indeed - but his job IS to please us. He's a musician, that's how he earns his money, so he needs to make records people want to buy so that he continues his career. Is that trite enough? If, as the bald facts seem to suggest, he cancels his tour because he can't be arsed, then I reckon people do have a right to be pissed off with him - not only the bookers, organisers, publicity bods and assorted corporate hos who have been dicked around, but the fans who have been let down. Perhaps he has better reasons that he's not revealing - though it's not exactly out of character now, is it? >> Hey, I still haven't forgiven him for cancelling the Philly show. Robert +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Thu Jun 8 15:40:54 2000 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:40:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: How now is soon? Message-ID: <01a701bfd157$914bff20$e18b183e@default> Hi all. I am now going to tell my opinion of the new album, so if you don't want to read that sort of thing, at least I've given you a warning I'm sure Mr. Dastoor will find it interesting... ------------------ *I Fought In A War* I must admit to having spoiled this track for myself. After I heard it on that French Radio webcast someone posted about, I got it from Napster and listened to it *loads*. It's an amazing song, and it would have been better if I'd waited I love the little 'twang twang twang' shadows-esque guitar at the third verse and the trumpet is superb. Score: 10/10 Fave line: "It stretched before me infinitely" *The Model* Very pick-me-up. It brings a smile to my face I think this wouldn't have been out of place on Tigermilk. I love Stuart David's little one-line bits too - they give the song a nice shape. Score: 9/10 Fave line: "The picture was a masterpiece of comic timing" *Beyond The Sunrise* I'm going to go against the grain here. I will admit that I hated it at first, but after a few more listens, it's growing on me. It's undoubtedly the weakest song on the album, but that doesn't make it total crap. I like Bel's voice on it, it's a very nice contrast to Stevie's 'deeper than deep' vocals. Score: 6(ish)/10 Fave line: "Joseph was travelling with a heavy load" *Waiting For The Moon To Rise* Wow! Why has Sarah been held back from us before now - the woman's voice is pure sex. I *love* this song to bits. It reminds me of something that I can't quite get, and when I realise what, I'll kick myself to 'Frisco bay and back. Score: 9 and a half/10 Fave line: "like the spring, and the winter, and the morning" *Don't Leave The Light On Baby* A star. The best song on the album and possibly my favourite B&S song ever. This is just perfect all the way through. I can't find a single fault with this song. If they ever release a single from an album, it should be this or Wrong Girl. An absolute classic. Score: 11/10 Fave line: everything, esp the harmonics. *The Wrong Girl* I first heard this song on Radio 1's Bowlie broadcast and it booked a permanant place in my heart. Another wonderful song - simply faboo. Only flaw is that it's not long enough. This would get a top ten place as a single though - I'm sure of it. Score: 9/10 Fave line: "I went looking for my darling" *The Chalet Lines* Very very moving song. I appreceiate that it's not everyone's taste, but it appeals to the Radiohead fan in me (ie miserable bastard mode). It's almost scary hearing wee Stu swear. I actually find this to be kind of creepy, something about it makes me shiver. Score: 8/10 Fave line: you can't really have a fave line in this one... *Nice Day For A Sulk* I like this. A little bit of nonsense now and again is good for the soul. It's not exactly the deepest song ever, but it at least picks you up again after Chalet Lines stamps on your head. Score: 7/10 Fave line: "Bobby drank too much and fell in the Clyde" (could this be Glasgow's own Bobby Gillespie they do refer to? Probably not, but it'd be cool if it was ) *Women's Realm* Another classic, I think. I just love everything about this song - it makes my head bob like a moshing chicken. Wonderful. I'm going to stop talking about it and listen to it again. Score: 10/10 Fave line: "A boy a girl a rendezvous" *Family Tree* Hmm. I dunno. I haven't fully made my mind up about this song. I mean, it's a good song, and I love Bel's voice, but I can't help think it'd be better suited to the Waves' next album. I would love to hear Stuart Murdoch sing this though, just for the novelty value if nothing else. Score: 7/10 Fave line: "I want poetry and music and some laughs" *There's Too Much Love* Very nice. Very nice indeed. I especially like when the violins smack in at certain bits. It does prove that wee Stu is a class singer, doesn't it? Score: 8 and a half/10 Fave line: "I'm honest, brutal and afraid of yooooooooooou" Well, that's it. I didn't totally enthuse about the whole album, but I was pretty close. --Jason Andreas If nice guys finish last, then I'll never finish at all... 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Thu Jun 8 16:13:03 2000 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:13:03 +0100 Subject: Sinister: More than words Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E22DB3D22@SERVER1> Oh cripes, I see a diatribe coming on... I've already privately emailed someone to say that I was in a pissy mood when I wrote my review, and emphasised the bad bits of the new album. "I Fought in a War" is a grate song, not a GRATE song. I really like it, again small letters. But I think I need to emphasise a point I should have given more importance to, and which is a very important point indeed when it comes to Belle and Sebastian. When I hear songs, especially when they're new to me, I listen almost entirely to (or rather I *hear*) the music. By music, I mean the way the rhythms, melodies, harmonies, walls-of-sound etc. interplay, which is picked up and appreciated by the musicky bit of my brain. It takes me a while to incorporate the effect of the lyrical content - a bit like learning the piano, starting with one finger, then one hand, and then, after a while, mastering the full range of possibilities. In practice, what this means is that, for me, a song like Blueboy's "Remember Me" can have as powerful an immediate effect as "Seeing other people". I know full well this doesn't happen to everybody. I wouldn't expect it to. But while Belle and Sebastian songs have on several occasions made me cry, it's been after a very long time knowing and loving them, when the words really begin to broach the walls of my psyche. The process is only just beginning with Fishyflaps; I have welled up during "The Chalet Lines", which I recognise is a very obvious choice, but maybe its very blatantness is the only reason it has managed to have an emotional effect with words. However, even when I get to know the words as well as the music, it's always the music by which a song lives or dies. Put the words of Slow Graffiti into the mouth of that cunt from the Lighthouse Family, it would still be a beautiful and poetic libretto, but you can bet your bottom dollar the tune would still be dreadful. Essentially, the implications regarding FYHCYWLAP are that because of the subtle beauty and depth of (most of) Struan's lyrics, it's going to take me a long time before I can full appreciate the words, and therefore the song as an entity. So at present I am mostly focussing on the music. I Fought in a War is indeed a beautiful song, but can anyone honestly say they had no idea how it was going to develop the first time they heard it? Reading this back to myself, I see that this is really a very self-indulgent letter, describing how the mind of one amongst a thousand interprets the music that forms our common ground. Sorry about that. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From idleberry at xxx.com Thu Jun 8 17:17:38 2000 From: idleberry at xxx.com (idle berry) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: I'm leaving you, baby Message-ID: <20000608161738.3488.qmail@web611.mail.yahoo.com> hello everyone. well, this might just be the last post from me for a while, as I am heading homewards for a bit where internet access is nil at the moment, cos my brother's monitor died an untimely death. Maybe he shouldn't try and fix it with a hammer. As for the new album debate. Well, heres my two pence worth. (Please forward all cheques for two pence, made payable to idleberry, to Idleberry, 3 Idle Avenue, Berrycity, Idleland ID3 1BY) I like it. I didn't mind Sinister, but it wasn't as great as everyone says it was. I mean, yes, I liked some of the songs, like Dylan, but I didn't like Me and The Major. Tigermilk is my personal favourite. The new album just seems to be B+S, taking a step forward, advancing, rather than retreating, in their creativeness. I like to imagine it, like reading through little stories you write through your life, like those you write when you were 12, those you wrote when you were 15, those you wrote at 18, and those you write in adulthood. All very good pieces indeed, for their time, and the instance that was going on. But I do like the new album. I rate it higher than If your feeling sinister *cowers as she imagines a hundred angry sinisterians disargeeing with her at an intorable level of volume*, and Bwtas. In the meantime, I'm packing my things at the moment, filling up more boxes than I actually have and wondering how it shall all fit into the car. I ripped off my B+S blind picture (I chopped up a photocopy of the tigermilk album cover and tapedit to the slats of my blind) and I've taken down my Munch posters. I got my insurance sorted out for new specs, After the exaqms... doh! and I have to write a 5000 word essay this summer for next year. Its a creative writing piece, that I have chosen (I like creative writing, I'm better at it than translations and writing about novels and history), and I need to send in my outline soon as well. I just need to think of a story. Maybe anyone here has any ideas? And it has to be in Norwegian, but I thought i'd write it in English first. I have a few ideas, based on thoughts I have daily, but I also think I'd like to write something completly abstact from my usual style. Maybe I'll write a twee story about sinister village. Anyway, look after each other, no fighting, and I'll speak to you all sometime later in the future. Love, hugs, and kisses, idles xxx ===== http://www.geocities.com/idleberry try http://welcome.to/nothingtowear for a change.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From messentw at xxx.uk Thu Jun 8 15:37:03 2000 From: messentw at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?William=20Messent?=) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:37:03 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: I Thought In A Bra Message-ID: <20000608143703.26349.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Hallo, Starry said; >>the fat old scumbags that were the stranglers were playing in some chrome'n'steel venue in Greater Manchesters Trendy Bolton, and were blessed with the offering of many plastic glasses hailing onto the stage during their "performance". Brandishing one of the glasses, Mr Jean Jaques Michelle Jarre or whatever his name was said: "Plastic glasses, yeah, thrown by plastic people, in a plastic world".Superb. It would have been even better if his smart-arse comments were followed by a hail of heavy glass bottles upon his punk rock head. Plastic world my arse. I was pleased to see our hot boys and girls on Top Of The Pops the other day, at least they looked like they were having a laugh which is more than you can say for Chrissie Hynde these days. The monkey was a welcome sight as well, as monkeys always are. Just a shame that it wasn't wearing a fez. Well I'm listening to the new LP as I write, (a tenner from Sainsburys -a snip) and I am liking it kids. My favourites are pretty much along the lines of everyone elses so far, 'I Fought In A War' being the standout for me. And 'Don't Leave The Light On Baby'. As for 'Beyond The Sunrise', well I'm undecided. I am as big a fan of Lee Hazlewood and Nancy Sinatra as the next man, but I sort of feel like I'd rather just listen to 'Lee and Nancy' than a song that sounds a bit like one of theirs. On the whole, though, I love the LP and reckon it was worth the wait. Speaking of which, I saw that film last night. You know, a bunch of Americans go into space and it all goes wrong. Based on a true story. 'Armageddon', that's the one. It was shit. Later kids, and a big shout-out and get-well-soon to the Velocity Girl with her busted hand, Will x ===== Visit The Remote Viewer homepage http://www.members.tripod.com/remoteviewer/ ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From howied41 at xxx.com Thu Jun 8 18:14:07 2000 From: howied41 at xxx.com (David Howie) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 17:14:07 GMT Subject: Sinister: All Hail Geddes! Message-ID: <20000608171407.86147.qmail@hotmail.com> All hail Chris Geddes! Well, since Ol' Grumpy (� Screaming Mad Cassorotto) is throwing in his tuppence, I might as well submit a Review. Maybe we can collate them, find the average stance, and create a definitive super-review. I might as well adopt a Lester Bangs-esque manner of song-by-song, personal reflective journalese. "I Fought In A War" A brave title for an opening track. The likes of which hasn't been found since the proud proclamation that The Queen Is Dead. The opening track is just as rousing as The Smiths' sprawling epic. At first glance a pre-emptory strike against Swells ("I left my friends behind me/To go looking for the NME"). This (and I agree with you here Alan, mate) is the best Love song by B&S since Dog On Wheels. Arthur Lee: Struan salutes you. With lines as heart-achingly straight to the point as "I bet you're making shells back for a steady boy to wear", we have a fantastic opener. No The State I Am In - but no Hello (What's The Story� remember that one, kids?) "The Model" I agree with Ol' Grumpy when he says he's not traced exactly what Struan means yet - but you get the feeling that, pervasive in the song, Struan knows exactly what he's singing. Nine out of Ten. Lisa must be one of Struan's longest running school girls. Found as early as Struan's early bands (Lisa Helps The Blind). She, I'm afraid to say, is my favourite of Stuart's school girls. Anyone else who had a repertoire of 'characters', if you will, you would reckon would get sick of singing their praises. You'd probably get sick of them singing as well. Not Struan though. Not under written, not over written, Just Right. "Beyond The Sunrise" The first curve ball. Ignore the lyrics, sixth form poetry, surely can't be a Struan composition. It stinks of Isobel (I use stink in the nicest possible way, of course.) The instrumentation though, beautifully realised, putting the sin in sinister. Struan wailing in the background, with his iridescent, hollow breathe is haunting. As harrowing as Robin Jenkins' Just Duffy - not an easy read. The bell chiming in the background, complimented by the drunkard Cohen-aping Stevie culminates in an effect that affects. If I'm mad to like it - I'm mad. Not sure about the acoustic guitar by numbers, though. It may just a comedy of country cliches, but I like it. "Waiting For The Moon To Rise" The best song The Field Mice never wrote. A good first effort - but a hammer to hit people with for those folk who feel the New Democracy does more bad than good. I know change is good, progression is good - but after BTS, an I Could Be Dreaming would have gone down lovely. I suppose it's less pressure on Struan. I still really like this song - but it's not as affecting as the song that could fill it's place perfectly. Shh, say it softly for we don't want the Belles to think we're indignant: The Loneliness of The Middle Distance Runner. We should be happy with what we get, though, eh? Teehee. "Don't Leave The Light On Baby" Reveals the real star of the new democracy. Please stand up one Chris Geddes. The harpsichord on The Model, the sullen piano driven pain of The Chalet Lines, the rousing, raucous diatribic wurlitzer of Legal Man. Chrissy boy is showing himself to be quite the affecting star. He did look unwell at the press conference, though. Bless him. "His ship came in/I'm standing on the harbour wall". It never fails you, does it? "The Wrong Girl" One journalist described it as "Legal Man's spiritual third cousin". Enough said, there then. "The Chalet Lines" You either hate it or loathe it seems. Well, it's hard to say you love a song by a man singing in the first person about a cliched rape. But I really, well, I can't say I like it either can, I? I have absolutely no problems with this song - barr the fact that it seems there is a little lack of heart in the vocal. It's the same old sad school girls, the same old bus journeys, isn't it? "Her face was just a smear on the pane"!!!! This song leaves you cold?!?!?! Fuck sake! "He raped me in the chalet lines". Oh yeh, it's that well trodden clich� about Butlins rape. Everyone's entitled to an opinion I guess. Don't listen to it if you don't want to simple as that. I wish you could get Mr Wall Mart to understand that concept. "Nice Day For A Sulk" Jumped up B-Side. It feels like a B-Side with ideas above its station. I don't like this song, no no no! "Woman's Realm" "The obligatory B&S rave up"? Teehee. B&S and rave in the same sentence, I like that. I do understand what Mr Dastoor says when he gets the feeling that Struan's on auto-pilot. There are lyrics which make absolutely no etymological sense whatever, no logical structure and no meaning when deconstructed using standard English rules - but when you hear them you know EXACTLY what the singer means. Take, for example, the song "Astral Weeks" by Van Morrison: "If I ventured in the slipstream, where immobile steel rims crack and the ditch in the back road stops� lay me down in silence easy, to be born again� Showing pictures on the walls� Standing with a look of avarice� Talking to Huddie Ledbetter." What the hell do these lyrics mean? Nothing, nada, zilch, rien. But when Van sings them, in the context of the song - you get the feeling. Back to the point. With Women's Realm you don't get this. You get brilliant individual, Stu at his best lyrics ("It would take a left-wing Robin Hood to pay for schoo� A song or two, a boy a girl a rendezvous") but they don't sit well together. I feel. This is still one of the highlights of the album, though. A real grate, and great, song. "Family Tree" Grate, twee, wilfully twee, but grate (and great)! "I'd rather be fat then be confused" just sums up the essence of B&S in a affecting epigram. The idea that image counts nothing when you're happy, and doing something meaningful. "There's Too Much Love" See what Dastoor said - 'cos he said it all. Thanks Nick. J When, if ever, B&S release a Best Of it will require two discs, no doubt. But looking upon this line-up there'll only be a handful from this release. A four out of five album from a 6 out of five band. I agree that it feels decidedly less organic. I think to sum up the two halves of B&S album recording career (Tigermilk & Sinister then TWATTYBUS & FELCHYPLOP) you have to look to Mum (the cover stars) "Yesterday was dramatic - today was ok" Y'know? David. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mbethy at xxx.net Thu Jun 8 18:13:44 2000 From: mbethy at xxx.net (mbethy) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: d-day...i mean, cd day! Message-ID: <20000608171344.3DEFC40A9@sitemail.everyone.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smiley at xxx.uk Thu Jun 8 19:04:41 2000 From: smiley at xxx.uk (Mr Smiley) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:04:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The diary of an absolute nutter Message-ID: <004d01bfd178$30aba820$1e3f893e@n8j4k7> Hello Sinister, Nick said: >I'd love to meet the people who like 'Beyond the Sunrise' They >must be totally mad and it's always fun to meet mad people. Oh hello there, I'm a nutter. Not in a random-acts-of-horrific-violence kind of way, but in an I-like-Beyond-The-Sunrise kind of way. Because I do. The first time I heard it I thought of a few choice critisisms I could apply to it, one of them being "arse". But now, it's great, and I'd like to point out why. It's when they're all going arrrrr-arrrrrrrrrrrrr-aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, see? What's that you say? You haven't the faintest idea what I'm talking about? Right, moving on then. Before I bought FYHCYWLAP (yes, I sadly had to *buy* it), my B&S hating brother said "so, is it going to be crap then?" and I said "no, it's going to be better that The Boy With The Arab Strap, but not as good as Tigermilk and If You're Feeling Sinister". And what do you know, I was right. Although I think I'll kick up a bit of controversy by saying that I Fought In A War is the best opener they've done. Yes, better than The State I Am In. The bit where the bass goes duh duh duh duh before the band join in... genius. Oh yeah, and the orchestration. Well, it could be crap... but it isn't. And why? Because they're not using the same orchestra as Embrace, they're using a good one. And so the strings sound good. I've always thought that the strings on DD#2 were a bit crap. *That's* OTT, the new ones are just beautiful. My God, the tone of this email isn't at all like me. Sorry, I don't know what came over me. I've been outside a lot, and I think the fresh air might have affected my brain. Platonic hugs, Mike ICQ: 73775341 Email - smiley at rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk The Black Den - http://www.rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com Thu Jun 8 09:22:27 2000 From: jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com (Harry Hunt) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:22:27 +1200 Subject: Sinister: fishing for compliments in the stream of consciousness Message-ID: <20000608193912.68054.qmail@hotmail.com> I've been sitting in the garden, wondering whether you can actually get photophobia from spending too much time, or whether it was an old wive's tale, like that old adage of pleasuring too many crusts making you curly and short sighted. It's odd, see, if I'm outside, even at dusk, and not squinting like a madman trying to kill a eyelash-habitual flea, it's like the start of "Tales from the Dark Side" where it's all ultratechnicolour. Which reminds me, first port of call when I make my comedy covers band is comedy covering "Pink Elephants on Parade". I'm avoiding buying Fishyclap till no-one in the media gives a flying fling about it. I mean, it's getting that way already, but anyway. Our local paper got a rather sweet publicity shot of....some Glaswegian band, dressed up as a flapper and a dandy. If anyone wants a scan of it, you know which aperture to infiltrate. Why do VHS-NTSC services cost so much? Surely it's not that complicated a process. Maybe it's run by someone's father. I'll go back to my CRACKING live FNM CD and leave you all to it then. *kisses to the misses and pokes to the blokes* Love Harry +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Thu Jun 8 20:47:23 2000 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:47:23 -0400 Subject: Sinister: i'm so angry, i don't think it'll ever pass Message-ID: <000001bfd182$b86147c0$85d590cf@woody> PATIENCE IS PRICELESS (LIKE WHEN YOU TRY TO FLY SO HIGH) those would be the kind words of the day. listen: the new album, well i'll get to it in a minute. for the last three days my brother and i have been stranded in a small town in florida (wildwood, they call it) because our car broke down while in mid drive, mind you. the battery decided to obliterate itself and i had to set her down easy. so we were stuck in this truck stop of a town for days, waiting for an equally enigmatic car part to come in. needless to say, it did come in, yesterday morning. we drove home, and i drove to the record store upon returning... listen: i had heard the album once or twice beforehand, and my opinion of it is the same. listen: silence is the sound of the wind masturbating, a man once said. listen: the album is good. very good. in my opinion. but it lacks in places. and i find it barely less enjoyable than TBWTAS 'only' because of Simple Things/Rollercoaster Ride. there isn't a better way to end an album than that, i don't think. listen: the model is my favorite song ever. but without needing to rehash all that's been said, i nominate the best new member of the New Democracy as being Stevie. so maybe he has had a bit more coverage, than say, Sarah, but i think when he goes semi falsetto in stuff like Don't Leave the Light On Baby, it's phenomenal. listen: the chalet lines almost made me cry upon my first 'real' listen, yesterday. listen: the girl i can't get out of my head is arriving in town today. maybe i'll see her, i don't know. there's something to be said when the pain of seeing someone you want so much outweighs the joy of seeing them at all. that's when you know someone has you by the balls. it's not a pleasant situation. listen: this summer i'll be in chicago, DC, and philly, to see the WHO. like john entwistle says, i'm gonna take a long long drive, and with no aeeerrrrrroplane. shucks. the nerdy shy eyed pacifist blake fly yourself away: http://members.tripod.com/nucleartrout +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From feather-boa at xxx.com Thu Jun 8 20:32:52 2000 From: feather-boa at xxx.com (feather boa) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:32:52 -0700 Subject: Sinister: he was rich and i was overdrawn (missed lyrical opportunity of the month) Message-ID: hello. i've been trying very hard not to post because i feel guilty when i do, but things kept coming so in the end i decided i had to. i've had 2 dreams (not one but 2) about the band in the past week, well one was about the band and one was about the list. in the first dream, it was stuart's birthday, and everyone on the list donated some money to buy him some rare vinyl, which then had to be hidden somewhere in his house by a crack force of elite sinisterines (i'm not really sure why i was there). the second dream i don't remember much about, except that there was a house party and everyone was dancing to there's too much love. and because of these dreams, i had to tell my therapist about b&s and "what they mean to me", which sounds like an essay you'd do in school. i love the album. i don't care what anyone else says. and i agree that chalet lines is a bit of a dodgy subject for stuart to tackle, but you know, it could be much worse lyrically than it is. also, the phrase "my time", i don't know any girls who use this, but in the pulp song razzmatazz there's the line "and i know that your sister's missed her time again this month". it's probably a bloke phrase for when they want to say something they don't like. i'm extremely worried by the monkey theme, maybe they're regressing. and let's face it, monkeys only mean one thing - ian brown. we can't let that happen. um, i don't really like posting long messages, but you've probably already skipped to delete by now. pip pip, FB X *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. http://www.chickshops.com boutique shopping from chickclick.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From paul at xxx.net Thu Jun 8 19:41:47 2000 From: paul at xxx.net (Paul McAllister) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:41:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: i could dance all night like i'm a soul boy References: <20000607205910.11396.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <00ee01bfd194$b3f7f500$434c883e@demon.co.uk> hello, don't usually post, but couldn't resist voicing a few views on the album. firstly, i think its wonderful. yes, its got its faults but overall its a fantastic album. maybe its not as good as sinister, maybe it is...i haven't decided yet. however, a few points people have said i've disagreed with. alan said about the chalet lines: > I mean, come on. any bloke singing stuff like that. to my mind, that's > gratuitous, tactless and grossly offensive to women. hm, well maybe to some people, although aren't we forgetting that men can be victims of rape too? (anyone watched hollyoaks recently...?). i know that its supposed to be based on what happened to stuarts friend at that pontins camp, but in general rape isn't exclusively something that happens soley to females. and personally, i think the song is beautiful. nick said: > 'Woman's Realm' annoys me. To me it really sounds like "Here's the obligatory > B&S rave up". It's *OK*, but something of a lower-grade retread of 'The Boy > with the Arab Strap' and 'Dirty Dream Number Two'. this was the first track i heard and was one of the few that really made my heart skip a beatt. it was one of those magical b&s moments when you know you've just heard something absolutely amazing and then go and walk around with a silly grin on your face for ages. i'm surprised with a lot of the negative comments about it....i know its all a matter of opinion and all that, but i cant really see how its just DDN2 revisited. ok, the drums are the same and the strings are quite prominent (as on large amounts of the album) but...well, it just never sounded anything at all similar to me. and i think its better anyway. the bit where stuart cuts back in accompanied by the clapping, after isobels verse is just wonderful. ok, its not as lyrically masterful as some of the others, but the music more than makes up for that. and there are some lovely sentiments in the lyrics ('but i dream as i set to scrub/ all the floors and walls/ i'm thinking of a song or two/ a boy, a girl and a rendezvous'). well i like it anyway :) i'd also like to agree with everyone who's said just how absolutely fantastic there's too much love is. its just gorgeous. its a defining moment. i think it shows (along with dont leave the light on baby) just how far they've come, and where they're heading. its *the* perfect outro to a great album. with the first 3 albums, the last tracks were never (for me) stand out tracks. only criticism i would have is that its too short, so i have to listen to it twice each time.... so overall i reckon its a great album. as someone else said, maybe if it was by another band it would've been better received. who knows. the first two albums didn't have such an effect on me on the first few listens. tigermilk and sinister took time to grow on me. in contrast, arab strap had a huge effect the very first time i heard it. more so than any album has done since i first heard the stone roses debut many many years ago. and fishyclap has done the same. although maybe its telling that arab strap is now my least favourite and sinister my most favourite..... well thats my pennys worth. cheers paul^ ------------------- paul at belleandsebastian.org icq#21292929 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Thu Jun 8 22:43:29 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:43:29 +1200 Subject: Sinister: "The Chalet Lines" Message-ID: <003001bfd194$d4d8b480$fa6137d2@computer> Hi everybody ... Many thanks to Jeepster and Rocket Girl. My copy of "Fold Your Hands Child .." came in time for the release day, only about 5 days after placing the order. In all honesty I thought I would get it about a week late. Cheers guys. I've now listened to the new album three times. Some thoughts .... Well, firstly, I really like it. Highlights (at this time) are "I Fought In A War", "The Model" "Woman's Realm" and "Waiting For the Moon To Rise". Sarah Martin has a beautiful voice ..... I'm not too keen on "Beyond The Sunrise" or "The Chalet Lines", but I there is one thing time has taught me, it's that I know I'll grow to love them. Do you know who the male singer is on "Waiting For the Moon To Rise"? I think I read somewhere it was Chris Geddes. Melody Maker said it was Stevie, but it doesn't sound like him .... And I think "The Wrong Girl" is much better than the live versions. My complaints are that I wish it was about 5 or 6 minutes longer. It's all over too quickly, and there needs to be another Start Murdoch song in there somewhere. It also lacks a really poppy song, like "The Boy With The Arab Strap", Me and the Major" or "She's Losing It". I can't help thinking the album would be about 10 times better if they'd put "The Lonliness of a Middle Distance Runner" on it. Still, hopefully that will be released as a single in a month or two .... And now, the main part of my message ..... The last thing I want to do here is stir up a can of worms, or horribly offend someone. Nonetheless, I am compelled to post about "The Chalet Lines", and one listee's comment that said song is "insulting to women". I am a little bit sick of the whole rhetoric where men are NOT ALLOWED to even talk about rape. Let me draw a parallel. My grandfather was in WWII, and saw lots of his freinds die. It would be fair to say that the bloodshed and general carnage of fighting the Japanese in the acific screwed him up pretty badly, and he has spent much of his life (he's now 89) dealing with it. He came back wounded, almost died, and has been partially disabled ever since. Similarly, my dad fought in Vietnam, and while he lacks the classic "screwed up 'vet" thing, many of his friends suffer from severe depression as a result of that war. Now, as a young male, I can't imagine anything more horrific than having to watch my friends die in a hail of bulletts, all the while crawling around in the mud shooting at some guy I have never met and would probably get along with perfectly well in other circumstances. (Where the hell are you going with this Lawrence?) The thing is, I don't find "I Fought In A War" offensive. I don't think it is insulting to all veterans, all young men, nor is it insulting to any of the people who've died fighting for their country. I don't think my father or grandfather would find it insulting either. The song tells a story in the first person, about a terribly traumatic experience. Now, I don't think Stuart M has ever fought in a war, so he's not writing from experience. I think you can look at "The Chalet Lines" in a similar light. The song is pivotal to the album, to my thinking. It comes right after the jauntiest song ("The Wrong Girl"), and musically it is stark and sombre. The song is about someone Stuart knows, and I can't see he would have written the song, nor put it on the album, without without consulting/talking to that person, as obviously it has the potential to stir up some horrific memories. Nonetheless, it IS on the album, which makes me think that Staurt, the band, and the woman at the centre of the song all felt it should be there. It is a compassionate, heartfelt song, and by merely using tired old cliches like "the song is insulting to woman" is. in my opionin, insulting to Stuart's intelligence, and also to the woman to whom the experience belongs. A couple of final points. Obviously, I'm not trying to compare rape and war. I just think they are two traumatic experience from which an individual may never recover, and it just happens that they are both the subjects of songs on the new album. Secondly, men do get raped too. Granted, it's not nearly so common, but it can happen. If Stuart had written a song from personal experience as a rape victim, would it still be insulting. I guess my reason for posting this rather massive message is just that this is something I feel very strongly about. I believe a major cause of the sort of attitude which makes men rapists is that they objectify women, and as long as men can't contront and deal with the issue,m what hope is there. Sorry if I have offended anyone with this. I'll gladly take a beating from anyone offline about this, should you care to mail me and call me an insensitive bastard or whatever, but will be away for the next few days so may take a bit to reply. Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Thu Jun 8 23:47:08 2000 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:47:08 EDT Subject: Sinister: Fold your fingers origami makers. Message-ID: <3f.5d8872d.26717c6c@aol.com> Juno said << I don't know, I don't find it brilliant, just a good pop record, >> I took off work yesterday and listened to the new album and after much thought and deliberation, I have to agree. I think its a top notch pop record that has some really beautiful moments (I Fought In A War, The Model, Don't Leave the Light On Baby, Women's Realm, There's Too Much Love), but I think its easily the weakest album they've released. Its just too all-over-the-damn-place for me to really find a theme or an overriding spirit to the album, and it seems they've traded in most of their innocence and abandon for calculated arrangements and professionalism. I'll also join the chorus of folks who've been saying that the orchestration is at times a little forced and over the top (see The Wrong Girl's string section). On the whole it just doesn't move me very much, if at all. I think TBWTAS is their best effort (for the Struan songs alone) and I had hoped FYHCYWLAP would've been a extension of that. I wasn't expecting IYFS Vol II or anything, but knowing what this album could have been (had it included Lord Anthony, Loneliness of a Middle Distance Runner, Rhoda and/or Landslide) I'm left disappointed. One of those reviewers said he hopes they go back to the days of Struan-only albums..right on! I know B&S are supposed to be about 7 people as opposed to just Struan but you'd have to be dense not to realize thats why side-projects were created. I guess the biggest indicator of how I feel is that I'm already awaiting the next album... Tickets have gone onsale for Brian Wilson's summer "Pet Sounds" tour. He going coast to coast and, joined by local orchestras, he's doing Pet Sounds start to finish! I'll probably be at the shows in Philly and Baltimore (along with Christa) and it will kick mad ass! If anyone else is planning on going to these shows please mail me. Big pimping...spending cheese Steve C. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* "Which Paul?" "BLAH!" visit http://callowkids.tripod.com or your crush will hate you forever Call WRNR 103.1 at (410) 269-1031 and request Callow's "Lessons in Shut-eye" or you'll never make love with a fully erect penis again. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kat_odonnell at xxx.com Fri Jun 9 00:24:17 2000 From: kat_odonnell at xxx.com (Katrina O'Donnell) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 00:24:17 BST Subject: Sinister: A depressing email enclosed delete now Message-ID: <20000608232417.19724.qmail@hotmail.com> It is my birthday. I spent it with my therapist who told me today that the only emotion I react to is sadness. I can't help it but for the past three years thats the only emotion I have had.(It his fault, he won't give me drugs as it isn't chemical). I know somewhere out there, there is a place where I will be happy. I know it is there because when I want to see it, it is there but like my eye sight it is becoming out of focus. I am 24 and I am sure I am having my mid twenties breakdown. I was sitting at work the other day and started crying uncontrollably (not for the first time) because I was sure the words on the sheet said something completely different to what they really did say. I am sure the early stages of alzimers is setting in. My mother is only sixty this year and 9 times out of 10 has to be reminded who I am. When I call her Mum she calls me mum back. It hurt me so much. She is still there but gone. I just hate London it traps me and it won't let me go. I can't get away from it. My therapist tells me this place I dream of arriving at and suddenly being happy doesn't exsist. i am just kidding myself. He says if I don't deal with my problems I'll never be happy no matter where I turn to. I need a therapist who comforts not scares. Kathyn ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LunaLilly at xxx.com Fri Jun 9 02:26:46 2000 From: LunaLilly at xxx.com (LunaLilly at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:26:46 EDT Subject: Sinister: a sort of silly day Message-ID: <55.6fa01f5.2671a1d6@aol.com> Hello...... I am not going to break down the album or really say how I feel to much. But I do want to say that it's nice and although I don't care for the breathy vocals of Isobele....Family Tree is nice. The lyrics might not be the most amazing...but they are very cute and I do like how she says the bit about the babies and that she'd rather be fat than be confused....becuase I have some friends who live to go to the gym, put on makeup and never read or think of others in the world....thus loosing sight of the important things in life. It's a darn shame and a waste of a life in my opinion.....so the song is nice for girls like me who roll our eyes and feel ill when we are with them for to long. I like the lines like...."Nice day for a sulk".....I do like the album. But I agree with Walkn10 when he said..... One of those reviewers said he hopes they go back to the days of Struan-only albums..right on! I just think that Stuart has the most wonderful voice and that's one of my favorite things about Belle and Sebastian. I also want to mention that I had a lovely chat with my ex-boyfriend who is British.....and I think he is so sweet and I am thinking that while I said boyfriend free summer.....being with him again wouldn't be so bad. So I am sorry if my thoughts on the album aren't pleasing...but I wanted to say them. To each there own. Ok....I am reading East of Eden by Steinbeck and I haven't been able to peel myself away much...so I think I'll go back to it. Goodnight lovely ones.....Olivia +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From guile.tln at xxx.br Fri Jun 9 09:05:18 2000 From: guile.tln at xxx.br (Guilherme Barrella) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 05:05:18 -0300 Subject: Sinister: blue afternoon Message-ID: <3940A53E.278B81D2@terra.com.br> hi people... this is not spam. i'm sorry for the shameless self promoting mail but i think you'll like this. i have a new band called blue afternoon. if you want to listen to us, please go to the following url: http://www.mp3.com/blueafternoon if you like anything like: tindersticks, spain, smog, low, leonard cohen, walkabouts, nick cave and the bad seeds, arab strap, american music club, lambchop, mike johnson, red house painters, lee hazelwood, nick drake and lou reed, i think you'll like us. well, that's it. go there, listen to it and feel free to comment and criticize. and spread the good word, of course. the next song to be released will be a version of elvis costello's "i want you", to a valentine's day compilation. (here in brazil, the valentine's day is 12th of june). gui +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clb112 at xxx.uk Fri Jun 9 10:56:15 2000 From: clb112 at xxx.uk (clb112) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 10:56:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: IRON BABY HAMSTERS Message-ID: <3940BF3F.FF67218@york.ac.uk> I got up at 5:45 am today. I'd forgotten how GORGEOUS early morning is (the light is different). But lines stick in your forehead when your tired... I can't be arsed to try and articulate all my thoughts about each song, but I think "I fought in a war" is going to be my lasting favourite. It kind of holds back - like showing there is a whole leg by hitching the hem-line up only a little (which, as everyone knows, is better). A couple of the others don't even have knickers on (they grab you on the first listen but the superficial thrill soon wears off). As Mark (and everyone else) says, FYHC (like TBWTAS) is "less organic" than T and IYFS, or "bitty" (the best and most useful word ever). But I think it hangs together better than TBWTAS. Its not as over-produced as I was thinking it might be. Not sure how important it is that albums hang together. Although tracklisting does matter, a lot of the time I listen to songs in isolation (you know how when there is just ONE song you need to listen to NOW, and none other will do). This means a lot of taking out and putting back of CDs, and is annoying when you stand by your CD rack for 10 minutes and can't decide which THE song is, and then realise it may not have actually been written yet. Anyway, as I was saying, FYHC is more bitty than T and IYFS. But its a good thing to have upbeat/jaunty mixed with quiet/tender (I HATE this last word, but couldn't think of a better one. Eeeeuuurrrggggghhh !!! ) Mmmmm, lyrics. Mark is right that the music hits you before the lyrics do - "its always the music by which a song lives or dies". But what if a really good song said "iron baby hamsters" ? Well, that would just be funny. Okay, then, "cripples are a burden" ? The thing is, lyrics can always be interpreted ironically/sarcastically, and singers can be singing in the 3rd person (could talk about Morrissey here but won't). I think lyrics need to have real meaning (and not just be wishy washy wanky "sixth form poetry" (David's phrase) like Oasis etc's "supernova", "supersonic" bollox). We want candid detail, not distant grandiose flowery proclamations. But I reckon lyrics needs to be vague enough to let you to interpret them your own way, and to let them apply to your own little life. And we don't want a political rant or anything (just HINTS of it). I've often wondered whether song-writers write music for words as well as finding words to fit music. Well, I guess its a dialectical interplay between the two. I'm trying not to mention Hefner in every email...but like B&S they write a lot of (named) character-based lyrics. I thought David was so right when he said that "'I'd rather be fat than confused' just sums up the essence of B&S in an affecting epigram" (oh, and thanks for the 'Astral Weeks' lyrics - could never work them out.) A B&S 'best of' ? That's a scary idea. Not sure why. Have a grate and triffic time at the Ed picnic everyone (I might make it there too...) Lots of Love Caroline xxx P.s. I take on board Harry Hunt's observation about "fishing for compliments in the stream of consciousness" when I went on about being paranoid, and I'm sorry. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bellezc at xxx.com Fri Jun 9 12:25:12 2000 From: bellezc at xxx.com (zoe charaktinou) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 04:25:12 PDT Subject: Sinister: coffee makes me smile Message-ID: <20000609112512.60786.qmail@hotmail.com> hello!!!!!!!!!!That's it!!!i'm not a first year anymore. i've just finished my last exam in film history and i'm happy.Actually no.u see,i haven't slept AT ALL,i'm on a caffeine high,i'm leaving on sunday,i'm not going to see my boyfriend or my best friend for 3 months,i have to resubmit an essay and...that's it.BUT, i bought the album!!!! yes,yes i did... so i'm in our price in sunny ol' dudley (�12.99???why???)and i decided to check the singles chart."Legal Man"-belle & sebastian No36.... who said that a week ago???i just want to let u know that it is true.wehey!!!! anyway,i like the album.it's growing into me as all the others did.i like most of the songs esp 2,4,5...(sorry don't remember the titles...:)) my friend alex still can't find a place in her heart for B&S.i thought i'd tempt her with legal man but no... she thinks it's suicidal music and...no i won't go into that,well,she likes bon jovi!!!!huh huh????i still love her though.... gus anything happening in greekyland over summer???u know,a gig maybe???pleeeeeeeeeease....hmmm i shouldn't ask bad things ey???sorry if i'm writing crap and bbbbbbad things but this coffeee!!!!damn.got to go. bye...bye...bye.... zoe ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samwaltonyeah at xxx.com Fri Jun 9 13:36:23 2000 From: samwaltonyeah at xxx.com (Sam Walton) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 12:36:23 GMT Subject: Sinister: The list's favourite B&S song? Message-ID: <20000609123623.97722.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi there all. You may remember about a month ago, I posted asking people to send me their favourite three B&S songs, and I�d compile a Sinister chart as it were, pre-album and pre-single release. And successful it has been. I had about 250 votes, which accounts for around one fifth of the list, and although there were those who just wrote to me to tell me that it was a stupid idea, the results are pretty interesting. When a song was placed first, it got 3 points, placed second it got 2 points, and last it got 1 point. You get the idea. Well then, without further ado, I�ll open the little envelope to say what the list�s 10 favourite (and least favourite) songs are: SAVE THESE FOR THE ENCORES, GUYS� 10. She�s Losing It (36) 9. We Rule The School (41) 8. Dirty Dream Number Two (42) 7. Sleep The Clock Around (45) 6. Like Dylan In The Movies (46) 5. Lazy Line Painter Jane (54) 4. My Wandering Days Are Over (65) 3. Slow Graffiti (78) 2. The State That I Am In (91) 1. Get Me Away From Here, I�m Dying (138) �AND LEAVE THESE OFF THE SETLIST 10. Mayfly (8) 9. I Don�t Love Anyone (7) 7=. Seymour Stein (6) 7=. A Space Boy Dream (6) 6. The Rollercoaster Ride (5) 5. Electronic Renaissance (4) 4. It Could Have Been A Brilliant Career (2) 3. You Made Me Forget My Dreams (1) 1=. The Gate (0) 1=. Chickfactor (0) Well there you go. Make of that what you will. The only really big thing is that GMAFHID is the list�s favourite song by FAR. But still interesting. Anyway, enjoy and discuss� Love, Sam.x "Bad times will pour sugar in you gas tank and shave off both your eyebrows whilst dating your current boy- or girlfriend behind your back, and billing the dinner and hotel room to your Visa card" - Laika ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From divadeathcat at xxx.com Fri Jun 9 13:27:26 2000 From: divadeathcat at xxx.com (Li ^..^) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 12:27:26 GMT Subject: Sinister: end of the day and i'm wishing it wasn't Message-ID: <20000609122726.93361.qmail@hotmail.com> hey all :) i haven't posted anything in a while, so since i have a moment durring school to write a bit and take a break for studying, i thought i'd drop a few lines. :) well..my school year is almost over and i have to say that if it wasn't for Belle & Sebastian i don't think i'd be as happy or as calm as i am about going to summer school. every time i think about going, i get tense, and when i get tense, i litsen to b&s because they relax me. it still amazes me that i have not been able to find the new album. :( i'm going to South Street in Philly today though and the CD stores there carry a lot of good German Industrial and rare music types. (i condsider B&S to be rare amoung people in NJ because no one seems to know who they are.) i'm taking a road trip to New Hope with my friends tommorrow, so that should be a whole lot of fun. ack, what am i saying?? its the end of the day and i wish it wasn't, because i have too much to think about to sleep at all. See.. i broke up with my boyfriend, and now i find myself NEEDING a relationship, which isn't good, because i feel dependant on others for happiness, you know? i wish i could just be stable being single, but it's so hard for me to do :( anyone feel like helping? because meditation is doing shit :P anyways, i should probably go and atleast TRY and study for my final exams next week. yours, li ps: i got my eyebrow pierced and now matter what anyone says at all, it DOESN'T HURT ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fehbptrain4 at xxx.mil Fri Jun 9 14:57:29 2000 From: fehbptrain4 at xxx.mil (FEHBP Training Account 4) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:57:29 -0400 Subject: Sinister: I could be dreaming..... Message-ID: <6629EF7B52C2D3118C33006008CF35918A95E6@dddc023.ha.osd.mil> > But I am here at work.. > Having the best dreams lately! > Not B&S related... but I dreamed that David Byrne got back with the > talking heads and I got to see them with the boy that I am mad over- all > totally impossible of course on both counts. > > Ok enough of that, the reason I am posting is I saw the poll. > How can this be? > Electronic Renaissance? > Least favorite? > Oh all of you should be ashamed! > I know you all secretly go home and blast that song ,close the door and > get down! > Mabey not I was just surprised cuzz I love it love it love it!! > > --Aix. > > "You'll be known as the boy who's always dancing..dancing..dancing..." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From idleberry at xxx.com Fri Jun 9 16:42:30 2000 From: idleberry at xxx.com (idle berry) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: ooh, before I go... Message-ID: <20000609154230.16382.qmail@web612.mail.yahoo.com> well, okay, months have not yet passed* before I depart, but this is my last (for a while) post. I thought i'd give you a wee treat before I go, a wee animation that I made up and added. Hey, even Popex are linking to it! http://www.geocities.com/idleberry/stu.gif got a job sorted for the summer, in the gyle in Embra. also, one final request, if you care, um, I got a new poll on my site, for the sexiest member of B+S. Currently their manager is winning, along with Isobel Campbell. So y'know, you might want to go and cast your vote into the pit there. also, did anyone else get any junk mail sent to them about jeepster/icrunch? just out of curiousity. I did, and I'm not particularly fussed, but it messes up this e mail account that I keep clean of junk e mail and purely for the voices of my sinister siblings. I know I should have perhaps said this all yesterday, so big sorry to you all. Hope you all have a lovely summer, and happy holidays. love, hugs and that sort of thing, Idles * unless you too live in a little bubble where time is of no consequence... until your essays are due in!! ===== http://www.geocities.com/idleberry try http://welcome.to/nothingtowear for a change.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From burns_alan29 at xxx.com Fri Jun 9 16:19:22 2000 From: burns_alan29 at xxx.com (Alan Burns) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 15:19:22 GMT Subject: Sinister: hmmph...looks like no picnic for me... Message-ID: <20000609151922.76948.qmail@hotmail.com> ...as I can't get anyone at all to cover my Saturday afternoon-evening shift at the work. oh well, have fun everyone who turns up. hope the sun shines (with the way Edinburgh's looked over the past week or so, it'll be a miracle!) maybe meet yous guys some other time, Alan. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Fri Jun 9 09:50:09 2000 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:50:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The Chalet Lines Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E22DB3D2A@SERVER1> Maybe I'm just as bad as Stuart, but "a clichéd rape"? Is this possible? Isn't rape, by definition, something intensely personal and (hopefully) unique, something which comes in as many forms as there are victims? Some may question the wisdom of Stuart writing the song. I quite literally did at the press conference. However, I don't personally think it was unwise, but courageous ("brave" always seems a bit weedy, almost an excuse). When I spoke to Stuart after the event, partly to apologise in case I had embarrassed him, he said he was pleased someone had asked him a question that didn't have a mindless journalese answer (sorry if I'm blowing my own trumpet here, but it's an important subject, I think). The point was that something very emotional affecting happened to a friend of Stuart's, and many years later it still made enough of an impression for him to want to express how he feels about it, the incident, the subject. For one second imagine if he'd written a third person account. Yuk. Instead, Stuart puts himself in an extremely vulnerable emotional position - I'm sure it was hard for him to express those emotions, and I'm sure he's aware that others will interpret them negatively, in ways he never meant, and he's prepared to stand up for himself. The song is awkward and sometimes difficult to listen to, but I can't imagine any male putting it more honestly or more sensitively. Perhaps, you may argue, that's the point - he simply shouldn't have written about it. I strongly believe the opposite, and to me, this otherwise unremarkable song is probably the most vital on the album. Stuart, so adept at writing about the vague and abstract, has taken an impossible subject and tackled it without hesitation. It's one of the few pieces of evidence that B&S are moving forward, rather than treading water and indulging in retro as recent releases have hinted at. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From neil_milton at xxx.com Fri Jun 9 17:26:57 2000 From: neil_milton at xxx.com (Neil Milton) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: When I went down to the woods today... Message-ID: <20000609162657.29030.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Hi folks, I need a wee bit of help, can someone post to me (off-list of course) a wee bit of info about the picnic on Saturday. Also does anyone live near airdrie and is going to the picnic... I kinda need to cadge a lift off someone. sorry about evading the 15min rule, had to be quick. thanks to anyone who can help. cheers, Neil ===== ********************************************************** "he has no idea where he's at or where he's been." Queen of the Troubled Teens - iDLEWiLD ********************************************************** Neil Milton neil_milton at yahoo.com too many fireworks - http://www.geocities.com/fireworks317 Troika - http://www.geocities.com/troika317 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cellophanesky at xxx.com Fri Jun 9 17:34:35 2000 From: cellophanesky at xxx.com (Brian Pennington) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:34:35 -0400 Subject: Sinister: I Always Cry at Endings Message-ID: Dear Sinister, Ah, well I've been meaning to post for over a week now, but it's been a chaotic time in the life of me. I wanted to make some observations on how B&S have affected my life, but I also want to say something about the new album. So I'll do them both, in reverse order. So if you're the kind who like reading how people think of the album, read the first part and then delete. If you like reading about people's lives only, skip on down a bit. Oh but first I was listening to a mixtape from a friend, and I realized, upon hearing a certain Velvet Underground song, that it sounded a LOT like Legal Man. Not the chords necessarily, but the bongos, the whimsy and the faux-soulness of the song. I can't remember the name of the song, though, as it's not on any of the first three albums, and that's all I've got. It's the one where Lou says "Electricity is from other planets," and the one where they're talking in the sound booth the whole time. Anyway, on to the album... The way I got to hearing FISHYCLAP is, I think, the absolute most perfect way to hear a new album by your favorite band (or one of your favorite bands). Firstly, I started to hear it wasn't good at all, and I heard a couple of good songs on Napster but I refused to listen to any more of the album until it came out properly. Then I heard it was a grower, more thoughts on the album. Then the day it came out I drove to the only independent record store here in Charleston, West Virginia (anyone else live here? Didn't think so...) and of course, Belle & Sebastian might as well have been something in another language, so I moved on to the Mall, and actually found several copies there in a chain store, priced, of course, at $18. But I bought it anyway. Then I took it home and listened to it a few times each day and have been doing so for a while, each time in its entirety. I'll say this, there's a tendency to be disappointed with bands you love, and that's why hearing it wasn't good helped me realize it was great. It easily surpassed my worried expectations. And it is a fantastic album. I'm not sure if it's better or worse than previous B&S albums, but it's fantastic. And if a lot of people don't think so and their fanbase drops then fine, that never stopped me from liking them before. As to the album as a whole, I think it's very organic, and I have no idea what people who don't think so are talking about. The production and instrumentation tie the disparate styles of songs together quite nicely, and that's the definition of the best thing to do on an album. If you write songs that all sound the same, then that's even worse, because it starts to get boring no matter how good the songs are on their own. If you just simply write different song styles without tying them together, you end up with something like Tigermilk, some excellent songs, some boring ones, and absolutely nothing to tie them all together. For the record, Tigermilk's my least favorite B&S album and from the sound of things it'll stay that way. And even if this isn't my favorite B&S album (which I haven't properly decided but it's doubtful this could best Sinister), it's certainly got some of the best Belle & Sebastian songs to date on it. The Model, for example, is astonishingly good, from the very first bit where I could swear it was going to be a Left Banke song, to Struan and Stevie trading lines like nobody's business. Mmm, and the harpsichord, yet another innovation which I think ties this album together, as it's featured on three or four songs prominently. Don't Leave the Lights on Baby is another fantastic Struan song, and I Fought in a War is lovely as well. All three of these could fit on my 'best of' B&S list. And then there's "Waiting for the Moon to Rise," which blew my mind the first time I heard it. I think Sarah is the only B&S member whose voice holds a candle to Struan's. More Sarah! Less Isobel! Sarah should sing all the backing vocals from here on in if you ask me. I never thought a song not written by Stuart M would be one of my favorites off of an album, but it is. The Wrong Girl is quite good as well, I think. Stevie's best song by far, although the strings do sound a bit iffy on it. It already grew on me since I heard the session of it, so it doesn't need repeat listenings. It actually sounds a little less country on the album. Nice Day for a Sulk is a guilty pleasure. A self-parody, but how'd they manage to make it sound so good to listen to? I'll never understand that. And Woman's Realm is very nice as well, even though it does sound a bit like a lesser Arab Strap, it's distinct and I think it stands on its own. There's Too Much Love, again, falls into the category for me of very good B&S songs on this album. So that leaves...Chalet Lines, Family Tree and Beyond the Sunrise. Two of which are the most 'controversial' songs on this album. Chalet Lines, I think, is a bit painful to listen to sometimes, but sounds good and varies the formula of the album nicely. So I'm glad it's there but in its own right I wouldn't put much value in it. I feel the same about Beyond the Sunrise, actually. As a single it would be awful, but it makes a great atmospheric album track, insuring that the album isn't too formulaic. And once you get past the first couple of verses, you get those haunting Struan and Isobel vocal harmonies with that eerie bell in the background. That's worth the track alone. The only song I'm not happy with at all is Family Tree. Who said this was penned by Stuart M? If it is he must be trying to write songs for Isobel's Gentle Waves album, as that's all it sounds like. "The Gate" is a lovely song, and it has enough B&S in it to justify it being a B&S song. But this...doesn't even sound like B&S. It's frighteningly twee, and not in the self-parody style of Nice Day for a Sulk. I'd have switched this song for Winter Wooskie if I could have chosen the tracklisting. But that's one thing I think some people haven't considered here. As much as I adore Loneliness of the Middle Distance Runner, sticking that twangy monster in the middle of this album would have made it incredibly inorganic. It doesn't match up well with most of the songs, whereas most of these other ones do in their own way, even Family Tree. Another thing to consider, all of Stuart's songs on this album save I Fought in a War seem to have been written on a piano. What I mean by that is that B&S usually seem to write songs by having someone, often Struan, write a part on an instrument and vocals, and then bring it in and the group comes up with the rest. Or at least that's how Isobel described it in her Chickfactor interview. And Stuart's guitar songs usually seem to end up being more traditional band-type songs with traditional band-type instrumentation. The piano songs seem to be the ones the band gets a bit more creative on. Oh, and the efforts by non-Struan members actually seem to me to fit much better (and sound much better) on this album too. They don't stick out like sore thumbs anymore. And another thing I noticed. The use of guitar is played down a lot on this album. There are a lot of points where you can hardly hear any guitar. When it is used, the effect is wonderful, like the Byrds-y guitar bits in Waiting for the Moon to Rise, and the first shimmering electric guitar in I Fought in a War, which now that I think on it does sound a little like Love. Not as much as Expectations though ;) So they played down guitars in favor of pianos and harpsichords and organs, and when the guitars are there, their presence is all that much more appreciated in my mind. That's one of the other things that makes me feel the album is more coherent and organic. Certainly moreso than TWATTYBUS and Tigermilk. I think I'll never like it as much as Sinister but it's not going to be my least favorite B&S album, and it's excellent. That's what I think anyway. So on to the bit about my life that is only somewhat related to B&S. I made a tape of my favorite B&S songs back when Modern Rock Song came out. And one day about a week ago I took a bike ride, and that was the tape I brought with me. My life has been very chaotic lately, and I'm about to graduate. The ending in the subject header is my life as a student, and living in the town I went to school for the larger part of four years. Not that I really loved that town or being a student, it's just that endings always bother me. The finality of them. But anyway, I took my 90-minute tape with me, and I rode my bike down the path next to the Hocking River. The path goes by the Hocking for a ways, meanders along with it, then eventually crosses through a park and into a forest. I remember dodging butterflies and smelling the forest plants and the damp mud of the creeks. It's a really pretty ride, one of the things I'll miss about Athens. I didn't think about how far I'd go, I just popped the tape in, and rode until side one was over. Then I turned around and put side two in. I certainly went a lot further than I'd ever gone before. But I realized some things in those 90 minutes. One thing was that Belle & Sebastian have been a massive part of my life as a university student. I first heard them as a freshman, and now I'm graduating. I didn't even like them at first, but I remember a day when I went to do my radio show, and feeling like I wanted to transfer, hating the place I was at, and so I just went in and instead of doing my show, I listened to Sinister, which had just been put in the studio and just been released. And listening to it the first time in its entirety was like a revelation. "Get Me Away from Here, I'm Dying," seemed to echo my heart at the time perfectly. I bought Sinister the next day, and I never looked back. Listening to them brought so many memories back to me. Like how much my best friend likes Dirty Dream Number Two. That song will always remind me of her. And I was reminded of seeing them the first time with her, and how magical it was. I don't think I've ever seen any of my other favorite bands before, and some of them I never will (unless John Lennon turns up alive, for example), but it's a fantastic experience, and they were in top form when we saw them. Nothing will ever beat that sensation in my mind. Part of it from seeing one of my favorite bands, whose songs I've all but memorized, and part of it seeing that with someone special to me, who felt the same way. I remember once, I had listened to the same tape and almost posted to the list about the experience I had with it. I was to pick up a friend from the airport in Columbus, and my car's battery had died. I called a towing service to come jump it, but they nearly missed me, and I had to run out waving my arms, and I slipped and fell on one of the many patches of ice then in my desperation. But I got ahold of them and I took off, speeding towards Columbus so my friend wouldn't have to wait in the airport any longer than neccessary. And as B&S played I travelled too fast over ice and snow, worried I'd spin out or my car would collapse. Several banging noises happened, but nothing severe enough to cause me problems. As it turns out the car had more than battery problems, and though it seemed fine when I picked my friend up, it later broke down in Columbus, and we were stuck in the cold for a long time, until a preacher drove me to get a new battery. Anyway, although I was listening to B&S at the time, I never did post about it, because for a while I was too busy entertaining my friend, and then I decided it didn't have much to do with the band or the music. But this bikeride did. I feel like B&S are a part of me. And as I unsteadily open a new chapter in my life, it's reassuring to know that a new Belle & Sebastian album is here with me, to help get me through the tough times and to etch the good times in my memory. This album does seem a bit more like a tough times kind of album, though, truthfully. So I hope that doesn't bode ill for me. I think Nick Hornby said, probably in High Fidelity, something to the effect that songs never let you down. Your life can let you down, people and material things can let you down, but songs never do. That seems as good a place as any to stop. -- Brian Pennington, aka Mick McMick | cellophanesky at mac.com | ICQ# 39021436 Sandcastle Records: "Better a tear of truth than smiling lies." - Duncan Browne +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dontlookatmyaddressnaughty at xxx.com Sat Jun 10 00:23:45 2000 From: dontlookatmyaddressnaughty at xxx.com (Elvis ...) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 00:23:45 ICT Subject: Sinister: Re: Go! Go! Go! Go! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Message-ID: <20000609172345.28374.qmail@hotmail.com> ''As always the lunch is naked. If civilised countries want to return to Druid Hanging Rites in the Sacred Grove or to drink blood with the Aztecs and feed their Gods with blood or human sacrifice, let them see what they actually eat and drink. Let them see what is on the end of that long newspaper spoon.'' ''Squatting on old bones and excrement and rusty iron, in a white blaze of heat, a panorama of naked idiots stretches to the horizon. cOmplete silence - their speech centers are destroyed - except for the crackle of sparks and the popping of singed flesh as they apply electrodes up and down the spine. White smoke of burnign flesh hangs in the motionless air. A group of children have tied and idiot to a post with barbed wire and built a fire between his legs and stand watching with bestial curisity as the flames lick his thighs. His flesh jerks in the fire with insect agony.'' Hello sinister people You will have to excuse me as this is ym first post. Well, you will have to or could excuse me for saying not much but dragging it out like a man possessed but with no brain. But then again I may not say much as this is my first post. Ofcourse it isnt my first post because I posted before but that was before so that was different. I have a vague idea about why I am posting., I will stop talking about why or why whatever I am posting. I would like to know some stuff yeh ok. 1. Id like anyone who has read the first third by neal cassady to talk to me about this book. I would like to leanr more about neal cassady as well if anyone knows about any websites or anyhting (I have looked but) or just general information and stuff or anyhtign whatsoever really. Id be inetrested to se more pictures as ive seen one only on a frankly pathetic meagre measly form of a website. Id like to talk about how new adventure sin hi-fi is so something. It has groove. Right that�s it from me. This is probably my last post so make the most of it. At leats I think its called ''the first third''. Who has icq number 00000001? Or did it start on 10000000 or soemthing? x post script why does my inner elbow ache and why is the tape ''scorn pie'' brilliant and i havent even listened to it yet ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Scott.Turner at xxx.com Fri Jun 9 18:47:23 2000 From: Scott.Turner at xxx.com (Scott Turner) Date: 09 Jun 2000 17:47:23 Z Subject: Sinister: The Chalet Lines, cliches and emotions Message-ID: <0460439412DAB045*/c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/o=email/ou=NotesWREN/s=Turner/g=Scott/@MHS> I think the cliche issue of this song is not that "all rapes are the same", but that Stuart's artistic expression of this incident is cliche in its kind of flat first person documentary style. I think because of this it lacks power- which to me is disturbing given that the content is about a rape. Let me compare it to "ease your feet into the sea"- a song that seems to be about something equally tragic- suicide, i think is what is being referenced- but its so nuanced and different and literary and personal that it takes on (for me at least) a weighty affective magic. Its beautiful, swelling and deeply personal without reverting to documentary style directness. You know the lyrics, but look at them again: "Troubles come and troubles go The trouble that we've come to know Will stay with us till we get old Will stay with us till somebody decides to go Decides to go Soberly, without regret, 1 make another sandwich And I fill my face, 1 know that things have got to you But what can 1 do? Suddenly, without a warning On a pale blue morning You decide your time is wearing thin A conscious choice to let yourself go dangling Hovering It's an emergency There's no more "wait and see" Maybe if I shut my eves Your trouble will be split between us People come and people go You're scouring everybodies face For some small flicker of the truth To what it is that you are going through, my boy I left you dry The signs were clear that you were not going anywhere Anywhere Save for a falling down Everything's going wrong" and then compare them to the writing from chalet lines: "He raped me in the chalet lines The girl I shared with was away for the night I couldn't get up for my shift today I'll have to leave the camp now anyway I'll go to London there's a mate of mine I know she'll give me a place Full of woe and further to go She caught the bus "Oh I'll go anywhere" She caught the bus Her face was just a smear on the pane" To me, chalet lines reads like a documentary and not a song. Its just not very literary or affective compared to his other work. Which may be my point with the songwriting on the new album- it sounds to me really uninspired- like Stuart was depressed when he was writing- not melancholic and emotional, but instead empty and depressed- like he writers block or something. I think Stuart in the past has wrote very literary songs drenched in emotions- like he was able to ride the fine line between melancholy and depression and joy and mania and manifest it into beautiful art. But this album, for me, lies emotionally flat, and in many places, feels forced and empty. Just some thoughts. .scott Memo from Mark on 9 June 2000, 12:45 EDT Friday To: sinister cc: (bcc: Scott Turner) Subject: Sinister: The Chalet Lines Maybe I'm just as bad as Stuart, but "a clichéd rape"? Is this possible? Isn't rape, by definition, something intensely personal and (hopefully) unique, something which comes in as many forms as there are victims? Some may question the wisdom of Stuart writing the song. I quite literally did at the press conference. However, I don't personally think it was unwise, but courageous ("brave" always seems a bit weedy, almost an excuse). When I spoke to Stuart after the event, partly to apologise in case I had embarrassed him, he said he was pleased someone had asked him a question that didn't have a mindless journalese answer (sorry if I'm blowing my own trumpet here, but it's an important subject, I think). The point was that something very emotional affecting happened to a friend of Stuart's, and many years later it still made enough of an impression for him to want to express how he feels about it, the incident, the subject. For one second imagine if he'd written a third person account. Yuk. Instead, Stuart puts himself in an extremely vulnerable emotional position - I'm sure it was hard for him to express those emotions, and I'm sure he's aware that others will interpret them negatively, in ways he never meant, and he's prepared to stand up for himself. The song is awkward and sometimes difficult to listen to, but I can't imagine any male putting it more honestly or more sensitively. Perhaps, you may argue, that's the point - he simply shouldn't have written about it. I strongly believe the opposite, and to me, this otherwise unremarkable song is probably the most vital on the album. Stuart, so adept at writing about the vague and abstract, has taken an impossible subject and tackled it without hesitation. It's one of the few pieces of evidence that B&S are moving forward, rather than treading water and indulging in retro as recent releases have hinted at. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ To: sinister at missprint.org@Internet cc: (bcc: CN=Scott Turner/OU=PHI-PA/OU=US/OU=JHMarsh/O=MMC) From: Mark at xxx.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LNino at xxx.com Fri Jun 9 19:07:57 2000 From: LNino at xxx.com (LNino at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:07:57 -0700 Subject: Sinister: since I'm not sad today. Message-ID: <41D61E4C1F62D111A3B300805FE6B65401A99BC2@dalex6.dal.na.levi.com> Hola a todos: I am listening to "I fought in a war", I like that song... I guess we find the most beauty in a song when the song relates to us... I guess that is why most of us think that the best B&S song is "Get me away from here I'm dying", I guess many of us wish that on a daily basis. I want to share a small story a friend once told me: A man had been walking for many, many hours, until he got too tired to walk anymore. He arrived to a cementery, he lied down on a gravestone and fell asleep until the next morning. When he woke up he rubbed his eyes and looked around. He got up and started reading the names and dates of the people in those graves. He read many names, and he read the dates on the gravestones 1973-1975, 1984-1989, 1991-1992, and so on.. he couldn't find a single grown up in the cementery. He felt so bad he sad down and started crying. The cementery care taker approached him and asked him? Why are you crying? The man said, "I can't believe these children died so young" " I can't find a single grown up in this cementery". The care taker said: "This cementery is not like the others, those dates on the grave stones are the actual time they lived, those years are the sum of the happy moments in their lives, that is how long they really lived. This man for instance died when he was 70 years old, he only lived 10, this woman died when she was 40, she just lived 6 months, and so on. It is indeed sad that they lived such short lives..." The friend who told me this is the most carefree person I know, or at least he seems to be... he seems to be happy all the time.. who knows. I'm down to Wating for the moon to rise... pretty song. the think with B&S songs is that there is always a perfect moment in the day to listen to that perfect song that makes the perfect soundtrack for it. Sorry if I sound a bit rambled, english is not my first language.. Juno. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Fri Jun 9 19:26:19 2000 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:26:19 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Where romancing is not possible In-Reply-To: <0460439412DAB045*/c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/o=email/ou=NotesWREN/s=Turner/g=Scott/@MHS> Message-ID: I will contain myself from writing the nth. review this week,but would like to add my humble opinion to 'The Chalet Lines' controversy. While being at home last week, I read some article about the album in an Spanish mag (Rock de Luxe,for the sake of accuracy)where the author praised it as one of the best songs in it, though the whole work scored quite high for the standards of this publication,not exactly easy to please and with very different intentions from the usual British counterparts.They are not angry but 'arty' and usually quite loyal to their favourites.Belle and Sebastian ranked very high with IFYS in their eyes but dropped spectacularly with TBWTAS,not being even mentioned among the best 20 lps that year.,to give you a flavour.But it seems they are quite happy to reinstore their faith in Struan and company, so, that if anyone is insterested in suscribing for the next 12 issues, you will get a complimentary copy of FYHCYWLP. But he mentioned that given the absence of printed lyrics attached to the promo copy he had, he regarded not very adequate to make any pronouncement on the quality of the texts,quite sensibly,as he is not a native English speaker,neither the majority of his readers,I guess.So his favourable veredict on 'The Chalet lines' was based purely on the grounds of the instrumental aspects. Scott's message has brought me some new insight on why I agree with those who have used the adjective 'cliched' to talk about it,how it seems more a nearly rutinary statement in a Channel 4 documentary than a song written with the intention of going beyond the facts, to move or to console,I don't know. His comparison between the treatment of suicide in 'Ease your feet in the sea' and this of rape makes something click.It is possible,feasible and even a too often exploited artistic licence to transform suicide in the ultimate romantic action,the rejection of the World and the other the very sensitive and authentic beings cannot bear.While there is no way to elevate rape through poetry.To stay with the facts in a report-form could be to Stuart's eyes the most adequate stylistic approach with the aim of reveal the purest horror with minimal seasonings.My objection is that somehow it does not work... Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From NOGOODNIK at xxx.net Fri Jun 9 20:13:48 2000 From: NOGOODNIK at xxx.net (christa) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:13:48 -0400 Subject: Sinister: whiskey and coke, sunburned noses Message-ID: <025401bfd246$d7dd2000$20339cd1@e44e9> i have had a revelation about the new album. i think it was written for women. almost every song has that quality. whereas TBWTAS seems to be quite manly. (well, as manly as they could dare get- we're not talking AC/DC here, folks). i've never liked TBWTAS. when i listen to it, i have to skip over like 4 or 5 of the songs. none of them speak to me at all, except maybe "roller coaster ride". a good portion of it is catchy, but i never pull it out of my shelf and throw it on the old stereo. like, NEVER. but, on tuesday night i drove down to visit my best friend in VA and i listened to it the whole way there, and the whole way back today. i think its f-ing brilliant. i don't really know why, its all shimmery and summery and SAD. and maybe that's what i'm in the mood for right now. the only song i can't listen to is #3. i'm sorry, but their voices sound like doodoo. the lyrics are great, but sheesh- those vocals! yikes. every other song is topnotch. sarah martin is my hero. she's hot. she's on fire. her voice is so nice. and those of you who have issue with "the chalet lines" don't know someone who was raped. this isn't going to turn into a dear diary, but when you are raped, survival is what you think of. you detach yourself, it IS like watching a documentary of a life. i don't find that song to be cliché at all, and anyone who would say that (a man) doesn't know the first thing about a rape. i mean, other than what you get from a film or made for TV movie. what its REALLY like to live through that... its not all wailing and gnashing of teeth and hating men. its sincere sadness, self-doubt, emptiness, trying to live and make yourself whole again. listen to it with that in mind. "the model" and "there's too much love" are like in my top B&S songs ever. "family tree" is NOT a waste of studio time (STEVE!!) - it makes me happy to be female. i'm no baby-maker! ha! and her voice has never sounded better. she's no sarah martin, but you know.. ;) anyway, after that little lecture.. i want to remind you all of the DC sinister picnic tomorrow from 4pm to dark in Rock Creek Park, picnic grove #9. be there and be square! bring food and whatnot. its going to be fab. ok, all. have lovely weekends and smile and get out in the sun and drink lemonade and eat cherries. i want you all to promise me you're going to have a fantastic time, no matter what you do. i have realized over the last three days that i have totally lost track of what it takes to have joy in my life. when was the last time *you* felt real joy? go out and get it. love and hamsters, .christa. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nessamalone at xxx.net Fri Jun 9 20:26:09 2000 From: nessamalone at xxx.net (nessa) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:26:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I know where temptation lies, inside of your heart... References: <20000609123623.97722.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <006201bfd248$b332ea80$b1e2869f@p5l9l8> thats what legal man is like. I think brian said that, I noticed it the other night too. its the velvet underground song w/ the most belle and sebastian content. possibly. but I'm no expert. my exams are nearly over. I waited for them for two years and they were such an anti climax. but I learned one or two things: most literature before the 17th century I have no interest in. Most literature from the early 20th century I have more interest in than anything else. Maybe because most of its fun-ly depressing. I still hate maths after doing it for about 14 years. c'est tout. I am kinda shocked that chickfactor did so badly in teh poll of sam's when its so fucking great... you're all wrong. Nyah. + thanks to vilkas, jason andreas and caroline for your mogwai definitions. personally I still can't define mogwai but they're a great pre exam calmer. I was trying to explain what music I like to a chart music liking friend today while my corporate punk rock loving 'alternative' other friend was there too. She explained my taste as being 'over there', which pissed me off. Other people will understand on the list and have possibly had the same boring experience, or maybe not. You can't all be indie snobs. Especially since b+s are now a... chart band. eek. the chalet lines controversy... I don't think its cliched or gratitious or tactless or insulting to women *and I am one...* at all. Stuart is one of the only boys in bands that sell anything at all that can come from the point of view of a woman rather than coming at them, and I know what a bad and foul pun that is. Sorry. But seriously, in comparison to other top 20 dwelling dickheads like Blink 182? the whole horrible blink 182 and korn and bloodhound gang thing is really distressing. They sell loads but say 5 years ago they would have been fucking pilloried for the kind of crap they come out with. thats insulting to women, the fact that they can get away with what they say so easily and are just treated as some kind of post pc comical thing. Same with eminem. Its more insulting to women that in music we're still expected to be singers and performers instead of musicians, and therefore people are freaked by the idea of all female bands w/ guitars or decks but girl bands and britney clones sell millions. anyway, rant over... nessa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From trarvild at xxx.se Fri Jun 9 22:22:22 2000 From: trarvild at xxx.se (Katarina Karlsson) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:22:22 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Just a modern mail about the chalet lines Message-ID: <200006092129.XAA00349@mb07.swip.net> Hi I promissed myself not to write about this song but after all the other mails about it I have to ad this. I keep it short: It is typical cliches about the way women who have been raped feel, but it is wath they tell their, virgin friend later. I don't know if it helps raped girls to hear this song but it helpd me (her virgin friend). When I heard this song the first time, it tock me back to that bus stop whe´re she told me. how a lot of strange pices just fell to place. And I went home and cried and told myself that it was impossible and I felt so stupid. I know a lot of people doesn't like it but but I want to tell you that it can be a very important and comforting song for other. I don't know what B&S does when they make this kind of songs but in some way they put "hope and beauty" (I can't find better words) to my most painful memories. If you have a friend who always want you to come with her when she seeing one of her friends at his home even if you feel under his smile that you are not welcome there, than it can be one of the bad signes. Something is totaly wrong in a society where a girl shold feel that way after a rape. Nice day for a sulk is the perfect song after the chalet lines, catch me nice and safe as only B&S can do after the Chalet lines. I think it is a bit similar to the magic Fox in a...- Get me.... combination from sinister. So I don't know if it was a good idea to write this but I had to. kram Katarina +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From joeygalloro at xxx.com Fri Jun 9 23:38:43 2000 From: joeygalloro at xxx.com (Joe Galloro) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:38:43 -0500 Subject: Sinister: my two cents Message-ID: <000d01bfd263$776d24a0$5cf20218@cdrrpd1.ia.home.com> 'allo sinistereens- i too am going to throw in my two cents in to the "The Chalet Lines" discussion. i think it is a well penned song, but it is just so tedious to listen to time after time. i hate the fact that i have to skip over it sometimes. i don't want to but i do. it also seems a little out of place where it is. it might have been a better b-side. i like it, but it hust doesn't do it for like the first times i heard it. well those are my two cents. FLAME ON! Joe G. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kpc98c at xxx.UK Sat Jun 10 04:04:02 2000 From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:04:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The Charlie Lines Message-ID: <200006100303.EAA27841@missprint.org> Hello sinister, >From 0:00 this morning I'm officially no longer a teenager and is halfway towards being 40 years old, which is rather scary. Still it's been a happy birthday so far (main reason is I had a few to drink) A girl had just phoned me up earlier about her boy troubles, I managed to make her feel better which is good, but it's freaky because this is a girl who I somewhat fancies but not really quite fancy, you know, and as I was speaking to her I could feel the "wrong girl" lyrics coming on. Still, the main objective of consoling her was achieved and I'm happy. Using the wrong girl to take a sharp turn on the subject in the e-mail then, I have been reading about a ton of reviews about new b&s album. I loved all of the reviews. Funny though that my love/hate songs are the exact opposite of Mark Casarottos, but I still think his opinions are better because he obviously knows much more about music than I do. I really liked this new album and I think it's a straight contest between this and tigermilk, which is still in a fight with sinister so now it's a triple thread match. I still love Arab Strap though (I have listened to that non-stop last year in Uni and it's my 1st b&s purchase) but I definitely like the other three better. Chalet Line debate: I don't feel that the song is offensive, because it was just a story told, and it's not as if Sturan was singing something like "women are all idiots" or something, which would be offensive, but nothing there seemed to be "offending", you know? Suppose it's not the first time b&s wrote about these kind of things either like in She's losing it with Chelsea who's "been abused" etc. Also like to say that the intro to Waiting for Moon to rise was probably the best ever (the bit that goes "woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo" with the flute(?) thing) I fought in a war almost made me cry, absolutely love it, if people say that the album is too predictable, then I agree, I predicted that it will be grate, and it was GRATE. I've anticipated this day since March, and haven't regretted it since and it's fulfilled every single droplet of my expectations. I also think that putting Nice day for a sulk after Chalet Lines is most genius because I won't be able to take anything else without feeling absolutely depressed after Charlet Lines apart from Nice Day For A Sulk. Also I fall in love with the album/EP cover stars far too easily the Icelandic twins, Sinster girl, Tigermilk girl, Katrina, Isobel, Ahhhh they should stop putting attractive ladies on their CDs, put more gorillas on instead!!! Better go now before they make me be a monkey butler! Sweet dreams and Redbulls Ken ====================================================================== The wrong girl, the wrong kind, the wrong hand to be holding The wrong girl to go searching behind, wrong dream to have on my mind! - Belle & Sebastian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From monroej at xxx.com Sat Jun 10 07:14:34 2000 From: monroej at xxx.com (John Monroe) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:14:34 -0500 Subject: Sinister: B&S on NPR Friday; Fall reference by B&S met with excitement Message-ID: <3941DCC7.B691C29D@execpc.com> The new lp was the featured album tonight on NPR's 'World Cafe'. I only heard two songs but it was pretty cool to hear them on radio. I don't know if the program did anymore than that. I would think an NPR site would have all the info. Next: The Fall - and a Nice-uh Day for the Sulking-uh. I love it when my two worlds collide. Somehow, I don't think MES will be doing any homage to B&S however. I have never once sulked to The Fall, but I have been weirded out and at times frightened. I suppose changing the band name in the song to 'the jesus and mary chain' just didn't roll off stuart murdoch's tongue as nicely as 'the fall'. Far more of a sulky band in my estimation. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.edu Sat Jun 10 09:31:38 2000 From: ynoh at xxx.edu (Youn J. Noh) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Fall reference by B&S met with excitement In-Reply-To: <3941DCC7.B691C29D@execpc.com> Message-ID: Hi Sinister, John Monroe just wrote: > I suppose changing the band name in the song to 'the jesus and mary > chain' just didn't roll off stuart murdoch's tongue as nicely as 'the > fall'. Far more of a sulky band in my estimation. and David Gedge at least once a month from my stereo sings: orange slices and a Fall lp... Can the person who told us about trochaic triameter (?) tell us about the rhythm of this line? (And the B & S line, too, but I don't have the new album yet so I can't tell you what it is ... I suppose one line won't hurt although I steadfastly resisted reading the lyrics to "The Chalet Lines".) I always thought it was a weird choice for the line above cos I think of the girl he's writing about as girlish, if seductive, only naively so, etc. Thanks, Youn +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From redelvis at xxx.net Sat Jun 10 11:16:09 2000 From: redelvis at xxx.net (JR?) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 03:16:09 -0700 Subject: Sinister: destroy, kill all hippes! References: Message-ID: <39421569.6B18F632@pacbell.net> LA has been a wonderful city lately :) i just saw three shows in three days that all blew my top off, and well they were elliott smith, primal scream and modest mouse :) they all foukin' rocked my casbah! :) and stevie jones played with primal scream! that was great :) and of course kevin sheilds and mani are part of primal scream now :) modest mouse is the best acid indie disco band in the world. and sunday i get to see the magnetic fields :) oooooh! hehe. yeah. so the new album, my favorite track is the saddest track being "dont leave the light on baby" because i feel the emotion in it. but uh yeah. and that guy who made everyone vote for songs, he should just post the whole list! i wanna see where the songs i voted for got planted. i was sad to see rollercoaster ride so low :( and chickfactor too. but oh well. see you :) i'm so sorry, daniel ryder http://foolarchy.com/redelvis http://www.gurlpages.com/music/jnthn icq-1010543 aim-coxonryder +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From red.tully at xxx.com Sat Jun 10 16:53:06 2000 From: red.tully at xxx.com (Redmond Tully) Date: 10 Jun 2000 16:53:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S go banjo stylee Message-ID: <20000610155306.15362.cpmta@c000.lhr.cp.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smiley at xxx.uk Sat Jun 10 20:41:35 2000 From: smiley at xxx.uk (Mr Smiley) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:41:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The loneliness of a song with inaudiable lyrics Message-ID: <005301bfd314$3e60c840$3147883e@n8j4k7> Boo! That got you, no doubt. Anyway, these are the thoughts I had today (don't comment on their sparseness. I had other thoughts, but I'm not going to write about the boring ones. Or the dirty ones. Not that I have dirty thoughts, but as a boy am I not supposed to think about sex every 6 seconds? Not something I've noticed, I'll be honest). A thought. It's nice to see that B&S have been making albums recently with home tapers in mind. Now that there's finally an even number of B&S albums I could make a proper tape to go with my Tigermilk/Sinister one. And fantastically enough, TBWTAS fits *exactly* on one side of a 90. And on the other side fits FYHCYWLAP and Loneliness... *exactly*. Isn't that nice? Well, I think it is because my car stereo doesn't have a fast forward or rewind button. A thought. Does a version of Loneliness... exist where it's possible to hear the words? I must have downloaded it 5 times, and they were all the same version where it's only possible to appreciate it's wonder through headphones because the vocals were so quiet. Can anyone drop subtle hints as to where I might get it? Mail me privately if you do. A thought. Every time I post to Sinister I get a message back from a machine saying that my they haven't received my post because of potentially offensive contents. Excuse me? Oh yeah, my last post had the word 'arse' in it. Cover your ears kids! And this one has the word 'sex' in it (and 'arse' again - twice now). In fact it even happened when my subject line was 'it was the best thex that she ever had', what does this person have a filter that can spot naughty words with a lisp? A thought. For the last 6 days I've listened to FYHCYWLAP virtually exclusively. Who would have thought that this pattern would be broken by a Black Box Recorder album. Also, tomorrow we get to see the album placing, don't we? Top ten, easily. Ok that's enough. Platonic hugs, Mike ICQ: 73775341 Email - smiley at rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk The Black Den - http://www.rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From David1822 at xxx.com Sat Jun 10 21:11:01 2000 From: David1822 at xxx.com (David Strange Strange) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: I spent the summer wasting....... Message-ID: <18478823.960667861662.JavaMail.imail@puffer> What a lovely summer's day it's been today really hot & lovely. Personally i can't wait for everyday to be as hot as this one not every other day like here in good ol' England. The lovely long-hot days, beautiful cool evening, falling in love, making new friends, having fantastic picnics,drinking in pub gardens and shepherding insects out of windows or squashing them with the nearest magazine handy, it's all fantastic and grate fun. I've decided to learn something new this summer (no, not how to write good posts) Skateboarding, because one it looks cool and two because any other mode of transport is a good one, right and three I won't be polluting the air, no doubt I'll have some lovely new scars and maybe even a broken limb, umm.. maybe it's not such a good idea then. So B&S nearly got arrested on the set of Eastenders maybe they wanted to help poor Roy get back with Pat or take Rolly the infamous Queen Vic dog out for a walk. Perhaps Stuart wanted to grab a pair of Pat's earrings because lets face t they are the best earrings in the world , what style what penuche she has. Right that's about it apart from the football I've drawn Italy in the sweepstakes at work and so for the next 2 weeks I'm going to be a hounrably Italian, likec my friend who used to pretend he was Brazilian to try and impress girls, but that's a whole different story. Love, Kisses & Ribena for all, Dave no doubt it will piss down with rain all week now, if it does then you can all blame me, or Travis. oh yeah I know it's a bit late but cheers to all the lovely people at the Greenwich Picnic you all were lovely & huge cheers to Jeff for letting me sleep in his flat. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ola1212 at xxx.pl Sat Jun 10 21:43:35 2000 From: ola1212 at xxx.pl (Ola Szkudlapska) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:43:35 +0200 Subject: Sinister: hymn for the nonsense - hello all :) Message-ID: <006b01bfd31e$31876660$7737a0d4@default> hello :) since it's my first post to the list (don't know what took me so long :) i'd better introduce myself. sort of. i've been a b&s fan for about a year. a b&s fanatic for the last couple of months :) i'm from warsaw, poland. a place really dull when it comes to music (i went to see oasis on monday. just because nothing else is happening here. now that's *sad* :) i'm learning english at school, and we do a lot of listening exercises during the lessons. what annoys me is that people taped have got really annoying accents sometimes :)) so, during one of the lessons i caught myself thinking 'oh, wouldn't it be great if B&S members did such a tape?'. (scottish accents, scottish accents... aaaahh :))) the tape would of course be accompanied by an appropriate coursebook. :)) i can see them making profits! :D god, how stupid i am :)) oh, guess what. 'fold your hands, child...' isn't available here. i don't know whether it's 'yet' or 'at all'. things like that make me go grr. even GRR, because the songs i've heard (hello napster :) are just brilliant. hmm, i was just looking at my wall. and some nice posters. and a melody maker calendar. unluckily, kelly jones is on the june page. yeurgh. in some mysterious way a great big axe has appeared right next to his neck. :D 'off with his head, man, off with his head man' (apologies to all stereophonics fans. hope there aren't any on the list :) right, this is farr too long for a first mail. i wouldn't want to scare anyone off :) love, ola ps. is it only me or is badly drawn boy a genius? :)) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris.jones at xxx.uk Sat Jun 10 21:41:32 2000 From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2000 21:41:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Och..Noooooooo! Message-ID: <200006102229.e5AMTX717685@smtp.saqnet.co.uk> chris.jones at saqnet.co.uk Did anyone notice that Stu M. was playing for Sweden tonight? Chris Jones. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From i_love_moon at xxx.com Sat Jun 10 23:56:43 2000 From: i_love_moon at xxx.com (Johan Nilsson) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:56:43 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Och..Noooooooo! References: <200006102229.e5AMTX717685@smtp.saqnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <20000610225544.38170.qmail@hotmail.com> i'm gonna avoid talking about the disturbant game, it really made me sad; but anyhow, there has been references on people looking like stuart m before, right? one of the guys from ally mcbeal or something like that. i don't know whom in the swedish eleven that looks like him though - but anyone ever noticed - well this is probably just me, but in the picture of the _fishclap sleeve stuart looks very very very much like the main singer of gus gus. really. on the account of gus gus, well i actually saw them three years ago in los angeles, they pretty neat. but i hear the girl has left them, she was the coolest by far! bummer. johan ps. if the 'nooooo' in the subject refers to a downside on stu playing for sweden, then does anyone remember sweden-england from last summer, no? i do. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Jones" To: Sent: Monday, June 10, 1996 10:41 PM Subject: Sinister: Och..Noooooooo! > chris.jones at saqnet.co.uk > > Did anyone notice that Stu M. was playing for Sweden tonight? > > Chris Jones. > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ > +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ > +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ > +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From angel_blackwell at xxx.com Sun Jun 11 01:10:48 2000 From: angel_blackwell at xxx.com (the angel blackwell) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:10:48 EDT Subject: Sinister: double wide on lot 841... Message-ID: <20000611001048.80400.qmail@hotmail.com> well, it's been an interesting day...because of an asthmatic miscalculation, i ended up in the hospital on thursday...but i got a day off and that wasn't too bad. the little bald man and i stayed in last night because i'm not very mobile at the moment...well this morning, after being woken up because of concert ticket updates, we dicided to drive up north and visit my inlaws in their trailer park...then we found out that the little bald man is an uncle, made so 11 months ago...close family. if you ever want to see an enormous group of people, who are related and drunk before 11am...i got a place for you...yes, we kinda stood out...at least i hope we did... i've just read the best little portion of a post today... caroline wrote this little thing: a lot of the time I listen to songs in isolation (you know how when there is just ONE song you need to listen to NOW, and none other will do). This means a lot of taking out and putting back of CDs, and is annoying when you stand by your CD rack for 10 minutes and can't decide which THE song is, and then realise it may not have actually been written yet. how true is this? some nights when i get the apartment to myself, i'll look and realise there are over 50 cd's lying around on the floor because i haven't listened to more than one song per CD...the worst is when you think of an old song and then find out you never had the flippin thing in the first place.... saw a great movie the other night...love and castastrophies or some junk...hmmm...i liked it, even though there were dykes and not fags...but not a bad bit of aussie film i must say...a real no brainer...which is always good for me. i'm still working on sinister stickers...anyone with any artwork or ideas, email me privately... bye... the angel blackwell... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.com Sun Jun 11 02:40:48 2000 From: ian at xxx.com (Ian Connelly) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: struan in SF? fishyclapimpressions Message-ID: so, a little bird's been whistling sweet nothin's in my ear, about stuart m and isobel being in san francisco this week. hmmmm, i wonder if it's true...are they checking out places to play when they come here? let's hope they can see their way clear to playing Noe Valley ministry, or maybe that wonderful, tiny building at 50 Oak street instead of multiple nights at Great American or the abysmal Fillmore. here's hoping (he said, again, wistfully.) & here's hoping i'll run into them at the Aislers Set record release party tonight. i know it'd be terrible if all 1,500 of us posted simultaneous reviews of the new record, so i'll only say a bit about it. when i first heard 'sinister' out of my housemate's bedroom back in the halcyon days of '97, i hated it. 'who's the morrissey imitator?' i'd chide him, silently, loading up my cd changer with codeine, clikitat ikatowi, and the vss. but after a week i was smitten, and i'd creep up into the living room and sing along with the chorus of 'sinister'...even as he did the same thing... and i think this is the way i feel about fishyclap; at first i was a bit bewildered, and now it's grown on me - an achey itch that'd take nasty antibiotics to cure. and i don't want that cure. you can't go back, y'know, to the first time you'd ever met someone you loved, and feel the same first warm blush of longing - you'll always love them remembering everything that's led up to Right Now... it's not possible to hear this record w/o comparing it to everything else that came before..and i think it's an amazing bunch of songs on its own or otherwise. if FYHC.. was their first record we'd be falling all over ourselves, with just cause. so i'll go, now, feeling pretty sure i've said worse than messrs cassarotto & co. anyone up for a san francisco picnic? it's positively not quite summer yet, but if you're outside at noon you can really feel it trying. ian c +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MBP99KLC at xxx.uk Sun Jun 11 03:02:19 2000 From: MBP99KLC at xxx.uk (kaytee) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:02:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: sweet isobel? References: <200006071724.SAA27414@missprint.org> Message-ID: <027501bfd349$1492c6a0$09d4a78f@ratsmbp99klc> hello sinister, You know, even though there's a lot of bands I like, there are about two that I listen to all the time. People have been talking about lyrics versus music... for me the important thing is the *way* the singer sings what they sing (combined with the music of course). It's all about the personality that comes through, and about feeling sure that the music is tapping into something true and beautiful even if you can't quite pin it down. Or as Nick said: >Although I can't quite follow 'The Model' either, I'm convinced in that >song that Stuart knows exactly what he's on about... The kind of lyrics I >can't really interpret at all and yet which make perfect sense all the >same. Stuart's personality obviously shines through, both in his songs and in what we've seen of the 'real life' him, and even if he makes mistakes now and then he really has nothing to worry about as his intelligence and loveliness seem so unshakeable (by the way does anyone else think we're lacking a word for when you want to describe someone who's just great... 'nice' is meaningless, 'cool' could just mean they're trendy, 'sound' perhaps comes closest but is kind of naff? anyway). And on the basis of this I can see why people have problems with Isobel - she's more of a central presence than, say, Sarah, and so her personality and style become an issue... and compared to Stuart she's kind of hard to interpret. And I would have expected myself to be wary of her, or maybe even to dislike her. But I think I do like her. The reason I've been moved to write this is because I saw that 'The Gate' had nil points on Sam's vote thing, and to me this song (and 'Is it Wicked Not to Care', and some - not all, but some - of the Gentle Waves songs) have that same elusive hidden meaning/beauty (lack of a word again) as some of Stuart's - more to me than a song like 'Slow Graffiti', although I know many people like this a lot so of course it's all down to personal preference. She gets it wrong sometimes but I do think sometimes she gets it very right. As for 'Family Tree', Nick (again) said something about "astonishingly asinine" and "guilty pleasure"... why do you feel guilty Nick?! Don't forget it's in character... and while Stuart's disenchanted schoolgirls usually speak more knowingly through Stuart in the third person, maybe this time he thought it would be fun to write something in a more simplistic style for Isobel to sing in the first person. But anyway you shouldn't listen to anything I say about hidden meanings - I have to admit I didn't realise 'Ease Your Feet in the Sea' was about suicide. kaytee x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stray4f at xxx.net Sun Jun 11 04:56:16 2000 From: stray4f at xxx.net (===) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:56:16 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Wrong Girl video Message-ID: Just a notice to say that the video for "The Wrong Girl" may debut in the US on MTV's 120 Minutes Sunday night, if I understand correctly. It should begin rotation on M2 as well, and hopefully air a few more times on 120 during the next few weeks. We shot the video in Glasgow in March, with everyone chipping in to help Stevie realise his masterplan. It's basically a humorous take on his life and romantic disasters with various wrong girls over the years. We had a blast shooting it, and hopefully it will come across well to the viewers. As Kin Woo pointed out in previous posts, Norman Blake of Teenage Fanclub was a great sport and played Stevie's dad, and as David Moore noted we crammed Dylan references in to the video as well. I believe the video is available online (I don't have the URL) but to see it in all it's intended majesty try MTV in the US around midnight this coming Sunday. Take care, Lance Bangs +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From aconover at xxx.net Sun Jun 11 05:18:05 2000 From: aconover at xxx.net (adam apparatus) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:18:05 -0400 Subject: Sinister: you make me smile! Message-ID: <200006110351.XAA18245@s1.optonline.net> From: Self To: lizzie Subject: you make me smile! Send reply to: aconover at optonline.net Date sent: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:17:16 -0400 dear, that sounds like a song lyric, but it's not. i was reading your webpage, and it made me smile, and it sounded like something nice to say. and it's true, too. so. first off, i promise not to complain that your page hurts my eyes. that out of the way, raffe's a cutie! i was also going to make an itemized list of things on your survey that i wanted to comment on, but now i realize that's they're not important enough. we haven't been talking! this bothers me. everyone else is at least making some time to hang out with their proms dates, you know. on top of which i miss you. i was a little worried about the whole prom thing, about it being really akward. but i'm not worried about that anymore, because i've decided it's not going to be. so in case you were worried too, you don't need to be. ;) i did nick as my poet presentation for ap english... but it was really hot and i flopsweated and no one was paying attention. it went really badly. the teacher just looked at me funny. i was trying to explain how all his songs were about his life and all... and tried to make the link between "road" and "pink moon" with the moon motif, and pointed out the radical change in guitar style in "know"... but no one seemed to care. then i had to split to play improv games. sigh. this summer i will hopefully be installing e-mail programs on every single computer at suffolk community college for $9.25 an hour. hopefully. maybe not, yet, they will have to tell me. anyway, the money's all for college of course, which is why i can stand it -- i'm counting the days. of course, first i'm going to buy a stereo with a turntable, so i can listen to "the all-girl summer fun band" single i'm about to order, along with fishyclap. i haven't had the money, because of prom and all... i still need to figure out the rides for that. noah totalled his car, so that might not be an option. i (we) seem to have gotten left out of everyone's plans. sigh. there might be room in lindsay's limo, but she's not sure. i went to my friend emily's prom last night, and no one did anything especially exciting afterwards... we just slept in the limo at the beach while everyone else got drunk. it was a little silly. then i forgot to tip the limo driver, and i was the last one out! it was terrible. oh, that was the other thing i wanted to say... your summer reading! it's so much harder than mine! we just did great expectations and jane eyre and pride and prejudice and the bluest eye... but you're doing -tolstoy-! (it is tolstoy, right?) scary stuff. and tess... and three others? wow, that's heavy. good luck, dear.. ok, i've had enough rambling for now. if i don't hear from you i'll just send out another one, because it's nice to chatter away. i enjoyed it. so thanks. love you, adam aconover at optonline.net Tempus Fugit is at: http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~conover/tempus/main.html +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Sun Jun 11 10:34:41 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:34:41 +1200 Subject: Sinister: "look at me I'm on TV" - NO YOU'RE NOT! - NOT IN THIS DAMN COUNTRY, ANYWAY! Message-ID: <002001bfd388$cf46cd40$d76137d2@computer> Firstly, thanks for all the nice e-mails people sent me in response to my big long post about "The Chalet Lines" the other day, and also for no one sending me nasty e-mails calling me insensitive etc. ***I HATE TELEVISION NEW ZEALAND*** Let me start with a rant. I stayed in especially to watch TOTP yesterday. They play it here, a week late, and I spent all day being really exicted about seeing Belle & Sebastian as a moving image for three minutes. Anyway, along it comes and I sit there practically shivering with excitement. And they don't play "Legal Man". You see (and correct me if I'm wrong ...) I believe BBC progrmas are half an hour long. In New Zealand, we have commercials on every channel, so a half hour show is often cut down to 22 minutes. And of course they wouldn't dream of cutting out S Club 7 or Billie ... so .... out goes the onscure indie band no one here cares about.They did the same thing last year when B&S won the best newcomer award at The Brit awards. Clip ... out it went, and two hours of my telly watching time were completely wasted. Again ... let me plead with you. If ANYONE has any B&S stuff on video, who can copy it for me, I would be so very very grateful. I have a three hour Smioths extravaganza, or some Orange Juice/Go-Betweens live video footage if that would make the deal any sweeter. But please, please please someone ... help me out. ***THE NEW ALBUM*** Really growing to love it. A few people have said it is over produced. I disagree, and the more I listen to it the more I think this is the way B&S have always *wanted* to sound. To these ears the whole album is glorious soul music. One thing I have noticed ... and I don't know if anyone else has thought about it .. is that the piano/keyboard-based songs really remind me of the music in the television specials of "Peanusts" cartoons. That kind of funky honky-tonk piano could really fit into the soundtrack of "It's the Easter Beagle, Charlie Brown". Or am I just going crazy? Try listening to the "Legal Man" single now ... isn't it amazing how COMPLETELY DIFFERENT it is to everything on the album? Hope there is a new single soon ... I hate the thought that that might be it for the next two years. ***HOLIDAY*** My girlfriend and I went away for the weekend, because I was going to have a nervous breakdown otherwise. Anyway, while wandering around Rotorua (geothermal area in the middle of New Zealand's North Island, and dodgy tourist trap) she stopped to look in the window of a chemist shop. And looked and looked, her face growing more and more surprised. I went back to see what she was staring at. With an expression of complete shocjk she said "look ..." and pointed to the window display. There in the window of the shop was a gigantic vibrator in bright yellow plastic, shaped like "corn on the cobb". Not all that funny in itself ... I'm not the kinda kid who giggles at this sort of thig. What was so funny was the display itself. As I looked at the window display I saw literally dozens and dozens of strange looking sex toys, culminating in a huge white plastic .44 Magnum with the shaft shaped like a penis. Every single one, however, hafd a little tag obscuring the label, saying something about how they were "body massagers" and where great for "easying away tension" or something equally euphamisitic. You have to understand this was esentially a small town chemist ... these toys were wedged in between hair rollers, foot spas and sports supports. The whole display had a sad, hick-town, slightly neglected look about it .. the packages were faded from the sun, and the handwrittentags were filled with spelling mistakes. I could just imagine my grandmother going in and actually thinking they *were* massagers, and showing me how great it was. (Shudder). A strange, surreal experience. ***B&S DREAM*** My second one. Well, sort of a B&S dream. I dreamt I was at a party and Isobel was DJing. I asked her to play "Consolation Prize" by Orange Juice, and she got really excited because she didn't know many people who liked them. Then the dream kinda digressed (my dreams are never particularly linear) and somehow I ended up on a very small German sub, fighting an army of Nazi's who had been shrunk to quarter size for some reason. And obviously it was all downhill from here. ***OFFENSIVE CONTENT*** Does anyone else get their mails bounced back to them from one particular listee, telling them the e-mail contained "potentially offensive content" or something? Does this REALLY bug you? It sure as hell bugs me. That kid must only get about a quarter of mails, as I know it filters out the work "sex" along with anything even vaguely sweary. I mean, really .... it'ds not like this a porn mailing list. As I write this I am listening to "Station to Station" by David Bowie. One of his best, but neglected albums. I'm having abit of a Bowie revival. He's ace. Thanks also to all the people who mailed me about Hefner. I ordered "The Fidelity Wars" and it is brilliant. I can't stop listening to it. Oh ... the people I've promised mix tapes. I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN. I just have a mammoth backlog to clear. Sorry, but I WILL do it, promise. Well, that's it for me this week ... have a nice week, kids. Now we have a new album to soundrtrack our lives to. Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From oooon at xxx.com Sun Jun 11 17:49:52 2000 From: oooon at xxx.com (oooon at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:49:52 +0000 Subject: Sinister: bye for now Message-ID: <200006111650.XAA09323@mail.cscoms.com> hi, i hope you all doing great and everything is allright. something is not allright with me at the moment, namely my computer. it's been very bad for a while and i'm giving up on it for now because i am too busy to get headache over it any more. sorry to those who wrote me, i can't open the bluddy mail program, which leads to no address, therefore no reply. but i will when someone can fix this thing. to justify me writing to the list, i'm saying something about the new album. i know half the list population must have said a lot already. but i can't think of anything else. oh except that there're pirate cd of SInister and The Boy selling here. i saw them with my own eyes and was a bit pleased and not so pleased at the same time. they must be really famous now. or the pirate cd maker has good taste. i also saw Dot Allison cd lying around in heap. which was actually even a bigger surprise. shall i quit my job and become a pirate too? interesting career path. they fly to abroad regularly to buy the music, they told me. sounds good but don't think i can. not the conscience factor, which i dont' really have much. but because what really sells are electronic/dj stuff which i'm not that keen. just imagine having to hear all those noises at high volume repeatedly for a living..ugh speaking of which, i'm excitedly planning a trip to a full moon party. because i'm so sick of my job and i can't find anything else i want to do. so what else to do but participating a full on beach party under the shiny happy full moon. i was told that things might carry on after dawn into the forest! wow, i wonder what about good toilet.and bugs. and probably ghosts. although this time we will definitely bring some holy token and pray regularly. if i can escape my work, that is. what a godawful thing that is. i can't even take leave to go interview for new job. how am i supposed to get any new job if i can't go interview for one. bluddy stupido workpeople. i was going to talk about the new album. i like it ok when i first heard it, thanks to my two guarding angels. the more i listen the more i like it. probably the best they have done if only for "the model" and "there's too much love". right now i can say these two are the best they've ever done and quickly becoming two of my favourite songs in the world. i remember people sometimes say they sound like this that band/bands. if so could someone please tell me who they sound like in this two songs? i'll go and get them and be very grateful. even if i can't read anything for a while i'll still be on the list. and will soon be reading all the posts my mail has stocked up. provided that it doesn't bust into thin air. and after i finished all the previous mails i have stocked in the past. of all the rather big things i have done or being done to lately, one thing is really exciting. i went to the hospital for the first time in my life. as a patient i mean. it was painful, as can be expected. but the important thing is it makes me think about life and reality more. no i didn't have any near death experience or anything like that. i just came out feeling hope to be a better person while there's time. this might be a little odd to say but this new album does echo that feeling somehow. by feeling, i'm not talking about the lyrics. i have not much idea what the songs sing about, only some obvious words. but the overall sound of it. what's also odd is there're a lot of nurses in my room at the hospital. at one point there must be at least fifteen of them. i wasn't that ill and didn't need that many nurses. i didn't ask because i was sleepy most of the time. i put this album together with how it was like being ill (and inevitably, nurses) and being well again. um by now i've lost the plot. whatever it was i was going to say you' ll luckily not going to read it. have fun eveyone. love, oon xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sophiesea at xxx.com Sun Jun 11 20:07:05 2000 From: sophiesea at xxx.com (sophie harris) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:07:05 GMT Subject: Sinister: nice day for a sulky picnic Message-ID: <20000611190705.88202.qmail@hotmail.com> hello beautiful sinisteens, hope sunday has been good to you and bought you icecreams and balloons... just a wee one about next weekend's seaside picnic (brighton, sat. 17th) to say hurray, i'm dead excited about it, and details aaaare... well actually we still haven't picked an exact spot on the beach, so suggestions would be swell, and i'll post more this week as and when... but we have already made designs on salady things (brendon is going for a fennel+celery+pomegranteseeds affair as seen on naked chef - v. pretty... i am thinking lots of little triangle jam sandwiches...) i'm heading down from london if anyone needs directions and that kind of thing... was the edinburgh picanic a beaut? bet it was... well, i had kindof a funny day today (i think sundays always are) - i went to the park for some quiet time looking out at the little lake and stuff, but there was a fete type thing going on - kids with painted faces (which i always think looks a mite odd, specially tigers) and the like... but the sun came out when 'there's too much love' came on my walkman which made me smile...and then a pram went past me, and a little girl poked her head out and grinned and stuck her tongue out at me, so i did the same and we both smirked - aaaw... tres nice all in all. aaaanyways, twill be lovely to see y'all, and kisses blown to those in farflung places... ta ra for now, lots of love and spoonfuls of jam as per xsoph 'so look see the days and the endless coloured ways go play the games that you learned from the morning...' ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From llat at xxx.com Mon Jun 12 06:59:42 2000 From: llat at xxx.com (Lucas Dambergs) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:59:42 EDT Subject: Sinister: The Wrong Girl (and a request for some Eurpoean friendship) Message-ID: <20000612055942.64118.qmail@hotmail.com> Isn't it strange how music on one day music can just be music - a few words set to a nice tune - and the next it can be like a personal message being beamed directly into your soul? I picked up the new album around the same time that I began to realize that the relationship I was in wasn't going to work out. I still like her, and she still likes me, but we had different ideas about where we wanted the relationship to go, so now we're just going to try to be friends. Anyway, the first time I listend to FYHCYWLAP it just sounded like music to me, but since then it's taken on much greater meaning. It's become much more personal. I know that they aren't really singing about me and my situation, but it's really easy to imagine that they are. And it's nice to have someone around who understands, even if they're only on a CD. Oh, and if you've just broken up with someone, I really don't reccomend listening to Diana Ross albums. Oooh, they can be brutal. In other news, I just found out I got a new job which starts at the beginning of July, so I've decided to go to Europe between now and then to celebrate the remainder of my free time. I've never been outside of North America before (I live in Halifax, Canada), so I really don't quite know what to expect. And I didn't really know where to go, either, so I just got the cheapest tickets I could for the longest time possible. So, I'll be landing in Dusseldorf this coming Thursday (the 15th), and I'm leaving from Munich on the 30th. In between I have vague plans to see some of the following cities: Amsterdam, Berlin, Prague, Vienna, Venice, Florence, and Rome. I know I'll probably only make it to a few, but I don't know which ones yet. I also want to spend some time in the countryside in one or more of the countries I visit. So, if you know of any nice places I could go, especially places off the beaten path (either in the country or the city), I would really appreciate hearing from you. Also, if you're interested in meeting me for coffee, or to show me around, I'd love to meet some more list members, and get an insider's view of the places I'll be visiting. If you want to get in touch with me, send me some private mail (I'll be temporarily unsubscribing from the list soon, anyway, so that my mailbox doesn't overflow while I'm away). Thanks, and I'll see you all again in a couple weeks! Lucas Dambergs llat at hotmail.com Halifax, Nova Scotia, CANADA "Against stupidity, the Gods themselves contend in vain." -Friedrich Schiller, 1759-1805 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kipberman at xxx.com Mon Jun 12 07:44:11 2000 From: kipberman at xxx.com (Kip Berman) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:44:11 EDT Subject: No subject Message-ID: <20000612064411.33815.qmail@hotmail.com> Around 1:00 AM, I sat down to watch the supposed debut of "the wrong girl" video. After watching an hour or so of the ever so tuneful limp bizkit and company, i realized that i had "the wrong channel." And while yes, i was watching MTV, for some reason my television decided that it would prefer to broadcast the much anticipated sequel, M2. Perhaps i'm not familiar with the workings of a television. This is the part of the post in which i ask for sympathy. Simply press "reply" and type the following: "kip, that's awful! I feel bad that you didn't get to see 'the wrong girl'." You can even personalize it if you like. My hobbies and interests include, but are not limited to: 1) loafing 2) reading 3) record stores 4) the color yellow 5) thrift stores 6) walks 7) tea I'm sure this makes me ever so unique among my fellow listees :-) -Kip ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Mon Jun 12 08:57:51 2000 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:57:51 PDT Subject: Sinister: Ooh love is for the broken hearted... Message-ID: <20000612075751.67463.qmail@hotmail.com> MY ALBUMREVIEW Heard the new album and it's great!!! Here's my "step by step"- review of it: *It's My Life* A good stomping beat on the background. The lyrics are good too, especially the part where he sings about living. Hearbreaking stuff. *Say It Isn't So* Nice Weezer-esque song, a brave attemp, but not that special. Good drums! *Thank You For Loving Me* Ballads are what they do best. Nice solo in the middle of the song. It seems to go on and on and on and on and on. *Two Story Town* These boys can RAWK! Production makes this one a definete highlight of the album. *Next 100 Years* A slow song about love, obviously. A grower: first time I heard it I thought it wasn't that good, but now that I've listened to it more I noticed it's a big pile of shit. *Just Older* Another great ballad about getting older. Usually the line "I get older but wiser/ my baby's got the blues" sounds a bit daft, but this time you really can FEEL his agony. Getting old is just something you have to cope with, you know, and, like, live with. *Mystery Train* Love is like a mystery train for some. A ballad, but the lyrics are bound to cause some conversation. It tells a story about this guy who loves this girl, and they spend the night together. But the guy's dad doesn't know that he's spending the night at her place! How can you relate to something like that? *Save The World* A nice ballad. He tells us that whales should be saved and humankind is heading for destruction. He's so right! I like the lines "We need to save our world/ we needn't hurt/ any whales/ 'cause they are good/ and hunting animals is so wrong." Nature is important and a really, really nice thing. *Captain Crash & The Beauty Queen* A great story about a guy who is in love with this girl, but they have a fight and, you know, they are about to break up, but then the guy gives the girl some roses and, like, it all turns out fine in the end. Once again, it's the lyrics that save the song: "I'd give you my bed of roses/ 'cause I'm a cowboy with many steelhorses/ that I ride." *She's A Mystery* Women are hard to please, he seems to say. A good ballad about love. *Got The Girl* A nice ballad, where he confesses that "I've got the girl". And he even loves her very much. *One Wild Night* This ballad is about this one wild night when he drunk too much beer and felt a bit dizzy. But then he drank some coffee and felt better. I could releate to that song sooooo much. *I Could Make A Living Out Of Lovin* A great song, where he sings about "being broken hearted", and then he rhymes that one with "I remember when we just started." Good song! All in all, I'd give this one 8/10. Its not as good as some of his old stuff, but a nice album to listen to when you're feelin' good. And my girlfriend likes it too! FOOTIE Oh hell, I'm not going to watch any more football on telly. Why? Here's why: Belgium- Sweden. Swedes are my favourites. Rats. Turkey- Italy. I've always hated Italy. They always fall down and then cry. And the next minute they are running around the field like rabbits. Damn, they won. Denmark- France. Denmark= underdogs. Hope they'll do well. Oh hell. Czech Rebublic- Holland. Well I like the fotball Dutch play, but they have Edgar Davids and Patrick Kluivert. Two of the most arrogant players in football at the moment. Cocky arses who bitch and moan all the time. Damn. What's the point of taking sides in a game when your team always loses? Btw, I just heard the funniest thing last evening. This guy on Finnish TV said, when asked what his favourite team is: "Well I like England, but since they always drop out of the competition quite early I keep The Dutch as my second choice." @--->---- Jake Le PetitE ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fehbptrain4 at xxx.mil Mon Jun 12 13:46:50 2000 From: fehbptrain4 at xxx.mil (FEHBP Training Account 4) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:46:50 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Silly bunnies..... Message-ID: <6629EF7B52C2D3118C33006008CF35918A95F8@dddc023.ha.osd.mil> Hello All I finally picked up the yellow one. It is beautiful. I can't believe all the past talk of selling out. (I can't believe all you fuzzy pink bunnies were ripping each others heads off over that argument I don't see it at all.) My favorites being -I fought in a war, Don't leave the light on baby, the wrong girl, The chalet lines, and Nice day for a sulk. -Beyond the sunrise kind of freaked me out. It's not that I don't like it , but I feel likes it coming at me through some time warp from a church in the 50's and it's being filtered through a large cube of Jell-O and I'm in the middle of the cube hearing it. Seriously this is the image it brings to mind. The Chalet Lines I have to thank Katrina Karlsson. Her mail expressed probably what I could not. I had a friend who was raped by her uncle. She told her family and they blamed her. When I asked her why she did not go to the police she said some thing along the lines of the chalet lines "oh what's the fucking point" She had a overwhelming sense of helplessness and so did I not knowing what to do. This song hits pretty close for me. I wasn't sure how I would feel about it before hearing it .-but he sings it honestly and it is wonderful. Sadly I could not make the picnic this past weekend ,but I did buy a new guitar so life is pretty darn good . Alix. "It's up to YOU. the superheros of the future, to hang the tire swing of nice-nice from the highest branches and SWING FOR JUSTICE!" (the tick) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From paularathoon at xxx.com Mon Jun 12 14:40:57 2000 From: paularathoon at xxx.com (Paul Arathoon) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:40:57 BST Subject: Sinister: rose-tinted spectacles Message-ID: <20000612134057.94478.qmail@hotmail.com> Well, this has been on my mind for a bit now and prompted by the rash of album reviews on Sinister I thought I might as well speak my mind... Bascially my first problem with the various assessments of the new album is that they almost all look back at the previous 3 with the proverbial rose tinted spectacles. They seem to ignore the fact that neither Tigermilk, Sinister or Arab Strap are flawless. Just think about Electronic Renaissance, You're just a Baby, Me and the Major,and Chickfactor. Good songs, yes. Great songs, no. (insert counter-arguments here). The songs on Fold your Hands are easily up there with anything on any other release and it is a far more cogent, cohesive album than Arab Strap. It is far from flawless but maybe that's part of the beauty. Whatever, take off the rose tinted specs. My second thought is vaguely linked to that: For most listees I imagine that all of B&S' previous releases have some kind of context. They remind people of summer/winter/great parties/breaking up with people/being young/falling in love/falling down stairs etc etc. I doubt that Fold Your Hands can have any context at all for anyone. No one can really have had a copy for more than 2 months or so (I ahve had it for a bout 6 weeks).That's why for some of you, some of the songs dissapoint or sound less good than you expected- they don't remind you of any emotion. You are listening to it cold with no point of reference. Looking back on IYFS all the songs remind me times/people and therefore I judge the songs within the context I think of them in and I think that's the way music should be judged. Not necessarily how it sounds but how it makes you feel. Wait 6 months and then post a review. If I had the guts I would say here "Music should come from the heart, not from the head". However that sentance makes me want to be sick. It sounds as if it came from a rockumentary on Kenny G or soemthing. Paul ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hewits at xxx.uk Mon Jun 12 13:36:43 2000 From: hewits at xxx.uk (stephen hewitt) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:36:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Swearing, it's not big and it's not clever Message-ID: <9188A3453EEED111BD7300805FEDEB690125A30A@park_ex> Oh god..... Lawrence said: Does anyone else get their mails bounced back to them from one particular listee, telling them the e-mail contained "potentially offensive content" or something? and Mr Smiley said: Every time I post to Sinister I get a message back from a machine saying that my they haven't received my post because of potentially offensive contents It's me isn't it? Does it say "gloscat.ac.uk" in it? I bet it does. Rest assured I do get all of your e-mails (and read every one of them), but apparently there is a log kept of mails sent to me (and everyone else in the college) with rude words in, although what i can do about people sending sweary e-mails i don't know... Anyway VAST apols to you all if you're getting these and I'm being made redundant in nine weeks time (this is a *good* thing, by the way) so it'll stop after that :) Keeping on the swearing theme, if you look at the MTV chat transcript, Mick mentions a documentary he'd been watching, but it is written as do***entary, a similar thing happens with scunthorpe... On the "not releasing singles off albums" theme, we seem to have pretty much drawn a blank, although as Kevan Cooke pointed out to me, "the state that i am in" was on both single and album. Good work, pedantic fellow :) I only mentioned it as it seems to have become almost an article of faith with the band, not to be questioned, yet I can't quite work out why they would stick to it so religiously, especially as they seem to have moved away from four song eps towards three trackers for chart eligibility purposes. I don't have like a serious problem with it, I'm just curious. And those of you who mentioned Led Zep, they don't count cos they didn't release singles *at all* and I don't really think percy and co. are a big influence on the band somehow :) *steve imagines struan, stevie and chris talking about red snappers well, i think i'll leave you with that thought :) xoxo CarsmileSteve http://www.egroups.com/group/siniglasto Bodger and Badger are headlining the kids field y'know, "MASHED POTATO" etc +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From smiley at xxx.uk Mon Jun 12 17:40:40 2000 From: smiley at xxx.uk (Mr Smiley) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:40:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Funny dreams and fascist machines Message-ID: <008d01bfd48e$67cb8960$7b29883e@n8j4k7> Hullo, Coo, this is weird. I'm feeling all funny from reading all day. Anyhow. B&S Dreams -------------- I haven't had any. At all, ever. Well, I might have... but I don't remember my dreams. I do however, remember my nightmares, and this is what I'm going to talk about. You see, for no good reason whatsoever, whenever I listen to Fold Your Hands... before going to bed I have horrific nightmares. They're getting increasingly bizarre. The first one was about spiders crawling into my mouth, even though I actually think spiders are quite sweet and very unscary. The second time I came home from school late (despite the fact that I have actually left school) to find my brother was getting severely drunk with all his friends, and they'd started to cook some snacks but had forgotten. So the kitchen was on fire and there was a molten pizza oozing out of the oven. Then the microwave exploded (this is all still in dream world). But the third one is the best. I dreamt that in order to achieve greater chart success, B&S decided to re-release Legal Man as a double A side with The Bloodhound Gang's The Bad Touch. It went straight to number one, and both bands were so pleased they decided to merge and write songs about breasts forever and ever. --------------- What does all that prove? It proves that I am probably completely nuts, and I should stop eating cheese before bedtime. And it looks like I shall have to be leaving my job. This is probably a good thing, because it's quite a nasty one. I'm trying to decide now how much I want that reference, or should I just tell my boss to cram it? Although I *will* be writing to head office. Since I've been working there I've been overworked to the (illegal) level where I have to do 7 hours without so much as a tea break, I've been made to work in an office thick with paint fumes nearly causing me to crash my car on the way home, and my wages have been handled with a level of incompetence unseen since Gay Dad hired a new PR rep. And of course I have to take all my holidays first. £320 pounds for doing absolutely nothing? Yes puuurlease. Not that I'm materialistic or anything. I'm trying to write this post to be as fluffy as possible so it doesn't get deemed offensive by someone and sent back. I'm not too sure about the word 'breasts' though. The culprit with the fascistic censoring machine is 94rebeccasmalley at tretherras.cornwall.sch.uk, so if you're having a bad day, send your offensive rants to her. She won't be able to read them :) Ah yes, I have a little observation on The Chalet Lines. Not on the lyrical front (I'm of the opinion that it's a good song, by the way) but on a style one. It's quite traditional B&S isn't it? What does TBWTAS not have that all the other's do? A piano led sad song a la We Rule The School/Fox In The Snow/The Chalet Lines. Unless you count Chickfactor, but I meant it in a kind of minimalist, Stuart warbling away at a piano, kind of way. Right, I'll be off to read the awful books I'm supposed to be studying for English Lit. Again. Before I go I'll just say thanks to whoever awarded me their list crush vote. Unless, of course, it's you James. Or you Rob (in which case get a life guys:)). If it isn't either of those budding comedians then it's someone very fluffy and nice. Cheers. Platonic hugs, Mike ICQ: 73775341 Email - smiley at rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk The Black Den - http://www.rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nessamalone at xxx.net Mon Jun 12 18:48:26 2000 From: nessamalone at xxx.net (nessa) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:48:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: etc References: <20000612064411.33815.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <009001bfd496$8bc6aea0$20e3869f@p5l9l8> > You can even personalize it if you like. My hobbies and interests include, > but are not limited to: > 1) loafing > 2) reading > 3) record stores > 4) the color yellow > 5) thrift stores > 6) walks > 7) tea > I'm sure this makes me ever so unique among my fellow listees :-) thats kinda funny because mine could be construed as pretty much identical. *waits for other people to say 'oh yeah me too'* But that makes it cool, yes? I've had about 10 cups of tea since my exam finished at 10.30 this morning. I think I feel the need to purge my urges for tea from now on. Its not good. the caffiene makes me dizzy. but not as dizzy as the jerry springer/jenny jones crap I was watching earlier on. Jenny Jones is kind of like a straightness factory. they take goths and put them in granny clothes. And the goths say that they like it. I think I'm spending too much time in front of screens. the idea of the bloodhound gang + b+s uniting so disturbing. Please don't nightmare that again. Its just... sick. My only b+s dream was sorta sweet. It was abotu stuart and karn and I was drawing these cartoons of them doing stuff together, which didn;'t look much like them but was supposed to be them in a childish sort of way. Its funny because I'm not a big looper-ite or anything. >My second thought is vaguely linked to that: For most listees I imagine that >all of B&S' previous releases have some kind of context. They remind people >of summer/winter/great parties/breaking up with people/being young/falling >in love/falling down stairs etc etc. I doubt that Fold Your Hands can have >any context at all for anyone. some of the songs do like the last 3 but some of them I feel personally really detached from. Like I fought in a war. I've skipped that over nearly every time I've put on the cd, even tho it is a good song, I like it but I like things that I don't feel any *need* to hear or see every day either. But chickfactor does mean something in context to me. I don't know why so few people rate tbwtas as being a particularly good album, I think its fantastic. I listen to it more than I listen to sinister. c'est tout. nessa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From RAnder3567 at xxx.com Mon Jun 12 19:42:22 2000 From: RAnder3567 at xxx.com (RAnder3567 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:42:22 EDT Subject: Sinister: Review of FYHCYWLAP in Rolling Stone Message-ID: <61.46ca78b.2676890e@aol.com> >From the review in Rolling Stone in the latest issue: "Had Nick Drake lived long enough to know how to smirk, he would have loved this band." Amen. Robert in NYC +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Rickbozard at xxx.com Mon Jun 12 23:22:07 2000 From: Rickbozard at xxx.com (Rickbozard at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:22:07 EDT Subject: Sinister: everyone suffers in silence or bedlam Message-ID: <9.6aa45cc.2676bc8f@aol.com> Now look here you winy twee bastards, the verdict is in and upon repeated listen the new album stands up just fine. There simply is no "best" b+s album. They are the rare band whose entire catalouge lives up to their reputation. To be frank, every belle and sebastian album is rather boring upon first listen. They are exceedingly subtle, and the quality of their work doesn't become apparent until multiple listens. The non stuart murdoch members are finally writing good songs and, while we'd all like more murdoch numbers, it's a fine, and fairly successful, stab at democracy. I understand that b+s fans tend to be the moody,meloncholy sort who are eternally nostalgic for their treasured albums of the past, but let's face it, as soon as another album comes out it will get the fyhcywlap treatment and this album willl be bumped into the cannon of b+s classics. I suspect that this arab strap is moving up in status as I speak. Go eat your tea and crumpets you whiny brats, and enjoy the new album. "i may very well be responsible, but i'll be damned if i'm going to take responsibility." -me +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Valiums at xxx.com Tue Jun 13 09:05:19 2000 From: Valiums at xxx.com (Valiums at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:05:19 EDT Subject: Sinister: B&S Time Message-ID: <32.64f7753.2677453f@aol.com> Hello, My friend just called me all excited and out of breath saying I wouldn't believe what he had to tell me. Believe it or not this weeks Time Magazine in the states has dedicated a full page with pictures to the band. He started to read the article to me but my phone died after he got the second word out. So if anyone is interested just pick up a copy of Time. Jason +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Tue Jun 13 14:49:08 2000 From: ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:49:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: More post-match analysis, switch over if you want to Message-ID: <394649E3.19128.373EFF@localhost> Hello listees The Chalet Lines. I'm not going to say I can't understand what the fuss is about, and I've never been very close to the consequences of a rape, nor would like to be, so ignore me if you want, but I like this song. I can see peoples' objections to it, but I've been trying to work out why I think otherwise, so here goes. There are different faults people find with the song. Firstly, I don't think there's any problem with Stuart singing it from the point of view of a woman. I think, as Katarina said, that it sounds more like a friend telling the story to him. Stuart often changes person during a song (Electronic Renaissance is a classic example), and he does at the end of this (from "I" to "she"), so I don't think he's really singing "as a rape victim", but more like the echo from a sounding board. Belle and Sebastian often sing about pretty grim subjects, bullying, adultery, suicide, loneliness, even murder, and I've always wondered why some people have a sickly sweet impression of them. I think that some people ( including Steven Wells, maybe?), prefer a safer, more aggressive, style of "issue" songwriting, and feel more comfortable with it, like a faded black t-shirt. But, to my ears, Stuart has always touched on a more profound sadness that is caused by these events, rather than the anger that more people see. I don't think The Chalet Lines is gratuitous, or gauche, I just think it sounds quite helpless. Some people dislike the Chalet Lines, Nice Day For A Sulk segue. Maybe I'm biased because I like both songs, but I don't think Nice Day... is tactlessly happy or anything. It's just a song about kicking about town, like String Bean Jean was. And that's what I'm off to do now... Robin x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lost_madflowr at xxx.com Wed Jun 14 05:41:42 2000 From: lost_madflowr at xxx.com (lost madflowr) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:41:42 PDT Subject: Sinister: dc/va/md MAKE-OUT PARTY @ Now! music & fashion. free cupcakes + tunes! Message-ID: <20000614044142.64018.qmail@hotmail.com> christa asked "when was the last time *you* felt real joy?" i say...last saturday. splendid time at the b&s pic-ee-nic at rock creek park. then laini and i jumped over to see this amazing band longwave [my third time] at the velvet lounge [the epitome of the word 'dive'] and then to the mousetrap! belle & sebastian were played at least three times! and what fun it was. i met up with a sinister boy who i had apparently met a few times before. and i had completely forgot. now i remember a little. i think that is the number one reason i don't drink the alcohol! 'cos my memory is already rotten and i'd rememember even less if i drank! ha! okay pertinent information about make-out party will follow, but i am also going to add that the wonderfully entertaining steve[walkn10]'s band, callow, have been asked to play the next make-out party; just in case you can't come to this one. sure it's before the cure, but the cure is at night and make-out party takes place during the day! woo! voyeurism hoy! evol, maddy! MAKE-OUT PARTY [an event that proves virginia is for lovers] June 17th, 2000. @ NOW! Music & Fashion now! is located at 3100 Clarendon Blvd. in Clarendon/Arlington, VA. http://www.nowmusicandfashion.com the event runs from 12:30ish p.m. until around 5:00 p.m. A day for socializing with kids in your scene whilst eating free cupcakes and drinking fruit punch. To boot, you get to see great local bands of many different genres at the event. get there sometime before 1:00 p.m. and stay until around 5:00 p.m. to see the following bands: *worn thin: They're a hair metal band without the hair. They play melodic emo and punk and they're waiting for 80's metal to make a comeback. *devon green: a boy band similiar to n'sync without the choreography, or the glittery clothing. scratch that. they play catchy pop along the lines of ben lee, buffalo tom, and the lemonheads. and they'll steal your girlfriend's hearts away if you don't watch out. *the mallstars: coming out of the town of Actiondale, Virginia rise the Mallstars. A sure fire mixture of power pop and punk, you will never be left without feeling to dance again. They combine their influences of the Hi Fives, Mr T Experience, Buzzcocks and the Ramones in a way that has never been heard before. They are the new teen sensation that's sweeping the nation and you will be mesmerized. *barcelona: innocent casio-core from arlington, va! barcelona play indie pop that will make you swoon. girl/boy vocals switch on and off for the sweetest sounds on march records. their second cd will be out soon. visit website at http://www.barcelonadc.com *anne summers: power pop band following in the footsteps of Elvis Costello and the Jam. Popmatters [http://www.popmatters.com] dubbed them as "melodic, crunchy music similar to late '70s New Wave bands". their second album, "very classy" was released in March 2000 on Beatville Records. visit the anne summers website at http://www.veryclassy.org questions: see the flier at http://www.underworld.net/~madflowr/makeoutpartyflier.jpg or email make_out_party at hotmail.com about it. if you prefer human contact call now! music & fashion at (703) 528-9059 or the organizer of the event at (703) 971-8135. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Wed Jun 14 04:50:33 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:50:33 +1200 Subject: Sinister: B&S videos online Message-ID: <002c01bfd5bf$6b6defe0$d26137d2@computer> hey gang, Just a quick general enquiry (cf. my usualy long missives ...). Has anyone been to have a look at the B&S videos on the iCrunch site? I tried to look at the video for "Legal Man", but my ultra-slow connection meant that the clip stopped every 10 seconds or so, stalled for about 20, and then kept on playing/stopping/playing. Irritating. Anyway, I figure there must be a way to find the actual source video, and download it, rather than have it stream into the computer. Any ideas, net boffins? I know the video doesn't get saved in my 'temporary internet items' cache. One of my friends managed to download all 17MB of the "Lord Of The Rings" trailer, as when he saved it to 'favourites' and opend the 'favourites' file in a text editor, the URL of the source file was there. Any ideas on how I can do this for the B&S videos? (And sorry for techno-spamming everyone ...) Lawrence +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From julesmarkham at xxx.net Wed Jun 14 08:34:10 2000 From: julesmarkham at xxx.net (julesmarkham) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:34:10 +0100 Subject: Sinister: smiths begging Message-ID: <003001bfd5d3$14f85ce0$ba57ac3e@tonygeorge> hey folks does anyone out there have the first smiths album that was produced by troy tate? It's a little obscure I know, but it's the one smiths thing eric (the first guy to ever say 'i love you' to me and mean it and the possible dream) hasnt got, and i really want to surprise him! I'll offer anything, b+p, trades, our firstborn son, anything! can anyone help? jules x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Wed Jun 14 10:42:26 2000 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:42:26 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Don't Shilly Chalet Message-ID: <000f01bfd5e4$f4df5500$f59f243e@itjfvkli> It's gone a bit quiet round here. I hope it's not because everyone's too scared to say what they think sums up what's wrong with the new album, for fear of having a crate of empty milk bottles dropped on them from the eighteenth floor. For me, what sums up what's wrong with the new album is the photo inside. Chris Geddes looks like Hanson's ugly brother, the one they keep locked in a cupboard until they do their cover of the Young Frankenstein version of "Putting on the Ritz". My word, hasn't Isobel filled out? Stevie looks like a highly sexed dad from DH Lawrence. No wonder Sarah's keeping her distance. Mad Dog Murdoch's outfit makes him look a little like a military man, or a Gestapo officer infiltrating the Salvation Army. Why does Chris want us to read a book called "No Lego"? Is it some kind of childhood trauma? I think "The Chalet Lines" is great, and anyone who doesn't like it is a cloth-eared bogeynose. Titian, Shakespeare, Thomas Hardy, Peter Wyngarde, Hubert Selby, Atom Egoyan, Muriel Spark.... none of these great male artists could/can go more than five minutes without creating something rape-related, yet I doubt they're worse people than you or me. Some of them got prosecuted, let's see if we can get Struan prosecuted. He's already in the bad books for telling Stagecoach to eff off, so it shouldn't be too difficult. Dirty filthy Pontins pig. The "don't swear" messages I get come from Cornwall, wherever that is. You will notice that I haven't sworn in this message. My spies tell me that John Smith's in Hillhead is closing down. Does anyone know what's going to happen to Stephen Pastel? I bet he's furious. Thanks in advance, Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From WarranderJ at xxx.uk Wed Jun 14 15:38:48 2000 From: WarranderJ at xxx.uk (Warrander John - FML) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:38:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Davie Dodds The Elephant Man Message-ID: <528B4DF333E2D311A784000629396D06014DD8@MASSLAB1> Hello you anal internet lot, Isn't getting your sound man to dress up as a monkey and then trying to break into the Queen Vic really childish? I hate Belle and Sebastian. They're bollocks. I did one of them focus group things at the weekend and that was rubbish too. It was at a museum and they were trying to design a website that would attract new visitors. I don't think pointing out that tourists who come to Manchester are usually more interested in where the Village is and whether you can sell them some E was taken as very constructive. But it went down better than telling the curator their museum was rubbish and smelt bad and no way would they ever come to it no matter how good their webpage was. I didn't say that but the bloke who did delivered it with terrific wide-eyed sincerity. The curator tried very hard not to look pissed off and failed. I got paid fifteen quid for my time and did something I swore I'd never, ever do under any circumstances, no way, no how, not never. I only went and bought a record that you lot had recommended. 69 Bloody Love Songs indeed. 69 bloody tedious songs more like. Well, probably. I haven't made it passed the first CD yet. Mrs Warrander John hasn't made it past track 5 yet but then when I asked her as a woman what she thought of Chalet Lines she said she thought it was "a minimal, brittle, sketch of half-forgotten romance" so she's obviously a stupid cow. I'm saying nothing about Portugal being pretty bloody fantastic on Monday night cos that JJ bloke knows where I live and he's got crazy, staring eyes and he might beat me up for being a "jock fuck". England play Romania again next Tuesday in case nobody's noticed. I'm looking forward to the Germany game myself. Are you still looking forward to the Germany game Peter? I think Isobel should have given all you nasty sods who've said horrid things about her the finger when B&S were on TOTP. She probably did but it was edited out I expect. I was going to mention an anecdote about an Aberdeen player in the eighties called Walker McCall who was the worst professional footballer ever. But we've probably all had enough football for one day. I'm going to go on chat now and wait for Megan the minker to give me a drubbing. Goodbye, John +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin at xxx.uk Wed Jun 14 17:01:24 2000 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin Robinson) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:01:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Gigs, Diane Riggs and polyester wigs Message-ID: Alright fluffy animal lovers and even those who like rhinos, Time for some list abusive self promotion: I'm great. No, we all know that isn't true even my mum thinks I'm a tosser though she says it a bit politer than that. Which probably expains why when I left the house for a few days and came back all my stuff had been shifted up into the loft in boxes and the locksmith was there for some reason too. Ho hum.. Families eh? They're nearly as good as that 80's soap set in Australia and England with the guitarist from the Mock Turtles. Imagine the worst bit of Aussie and British soaps with a dash of Can u Dig It? It was bleedin' unmissable if you ask me. Anyway my point is for all you Londoners not attending that muddy load of toilet known as Glastonbury there's a little shindig in that little sweatbox commonly referred to as the Betsey Trottwood pub in Farringdon, on Farringdon Road on Friday the 23rd of June. Great bands (The Relict, White Papers, Jet Johnson & Special Guests!) and great DJ's from top pop combo's Camera Obscura and Tompaulin all starting from 7.30pm and carrying on to the unearthly hour of 1am. All for the bargain price of 3 English pounds. What more could you possible ask for on a summer's night? Email me if you need any more information, or if you want a coherent reply email mellstreet productions at mellstreet at btinternet.com. One of the mell street kids will put a flyer online for you soon with directions and stuff. Bless 'im. I can though comfirm now that the special guests do not now include a cover band who sing The Boy Done Wrong Again with a ukelele, who's encore apparently is to shove said ukelele where the sun don't shine. Now that's pop as he does it in under 3 and a half minutes, though, unfortunately, they don't get many encores. I did my best to get them here but there was a problem getting them working visas. Red tape eh? If I carry on writing pap it won't be proper list abuse will it, so I'll go back to reading my special Where the Wild Things Are book, which I'll finish one day. Oh and if anyone looks to the skies later in central London I'll be waving on top of that millenium eye thingy. Nice of the weather to start clouding over darkly just for me so I'll have a fine view of the best part of bugger all. Ho hum... Te ra, Martin P.S Is wanting a Fifteen-to-One themed party a sign that you really ought to get out more? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.org Wed Jun 14 17:07:43 2000 From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:07:43 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Swearing with dignity Message-ID: Sin sisters, - BRRRM - The Glasgow University Guardian's Jason Cranwell sent the article below to the band's office to pass on. Thanks Jason. It's mainly about Stuart's new friend, Max. It's good. I bet Max doesn't get a namecheck in Time magazine. - SWEARING - This list has a long and honourable tradition of swearing. Some of you will remember Tim's "Belle and Sebastian Swear Word Competition" or Profanathon: http://www.missprint.org/cgi-bin/listsearch.cgi?query=swearing%3Bcompetition http://www.missprint.org/cgi-bin/listsearch.cgi?query=Profanathon I can't remember if we ever announced the winners, maybe they were too rude for Tim; I seem to remember "Bell-end" featured in almost every entry. Others will remember the Welsh "Yale College Rude Word Collector" ("YCRWC") that only knew English swearwords, not Welsh: http://www.missprint.org/cgi-bin/listsearch.cgi?query=Welsh%3Bpomegranate Chris Leonard got a thanks on the new LP for his contribution to B&S themed swearing, and his place of work also scores rude words out of 10 and sets off alarms when you hit 50 or something and he gets in trouble: it's fun to mail him and see if you can score 49. Finally, as confessed by Steve Carsmile, he also lives somewhere that doesn't like the words "bum", "willy", and I regularly get told off by the mail software there for you all swearing in mails to the list that wind up in his mailbox. At night I sweat through fevered dreams imagining I'm stuck in a windowless office with the central heating on full in one of these venerable institutions, in a meeting where they decide which words they should detect, whether "bugger" is still rude, if they should meet regularly to add new emerging swear words like "flibbing", whether "pish" is valid Scots dialog or not. I awake exhausted. With regards to the current incident, originating as someone pointed out from some crazed software on the loose at a school in Cornwall, I've moved the unsuspecting listee from the main list to the digest, meaning I'll hopefully get the emails instead of all you, and less frequently. I hope this time the software points out *which* words it objects too; it doesn't do to get left behind in the ever evolving world of objectionable phrases. Anyway, I hope you're all doing well, all 1400 of you. I'll be back a bit more in a little while probably. Did someone review a Bon Jovi LP on this list a few days ago, or was it my imagination? Honey x ----- MEETING MAX for the first time was a strange experience. Sitting there on the side of the road with the sun gleaming off his black body he looked elegant, like he'd grown old gracefully and could tell you some stories. But we weren't there to meet Max. You see, Max's owner is a certain Stuart Murdoch. And Max is his recently acquired 1973 Ford Granada. Stuart is understandably precious about his recent automobile purchase, politely warning your Guardian scribes not to lean on the door. His eyes are lit with pride as we sit within the confines of its leather interior, before a flick of the key starts the car first time, and the engine rumbles contently with a gallant whir. Stuart obligingly tells the story of its acquisition. "Me and my brother were expecting the worst. We'd already seen a car that this guy couldn't even get started, and this one was ten years older than that. My brother was like 'this is going to be a wreck, do you still want to see it?'" Stuart's gut instinct was to take the trek to a farm in Aberfoyle. The decision was the right one, as the car proved to be what can unequivocally termed a 'classic'. However, the pair were still cautious, as the young lady owner hadn't actually stated a selling price in the advert. "We eventually asked 'What are you wanting for it?' And she said '900'... Me and my brother were like [gesture of stifled excitement] 'don't say anything!'. Stuart thought the Granada suited the name 'Max', after a character in 'Hart To Hart'. "It's not a woman. Because it carries you about and does things and it's black, you look at it more as your butler." Driving along the city boundaries of Maryhill, Stuart speaks of the houses that were once there and points to a church name-checked in a Belle & Sebastian song. Memories are sparked from teenage days of skateboarding and jogging along the Forth and Clyde canal, and it becomes clear the extent to which the landscape of Glasgow is a source of inspiration for Stuart's songwriting. "Sinister, for instance, is so geographical," comments Stuart on Belle & Sebastian's second album. "Every song was written in a specific part of the city, and the place left its mark on the writing." As we edge with terrifying predictability closer to Buchanan Street Bus Station, the temptation to Park and Ride must surely be overwhelming bus fanatic Stuart. But Glasgow's main terminus does not hold the same fondness for Stuart as the depots at Knightswood and Butterbiggins Road in the Southside. A detour from the city centre via Strathclyde University reminds Stuart of his fresh-faced years as a DJ there, helping to run a club night called the 'Wasp Factory'. "We did it at the QM as well, actually. It was a Thursday night. Thursday nights in the QM were usually great. In the end I got sacked for playing alternative music. And within a year the alternative was the mainstream." Stopping at traffic lights, we notice a fly-poster for Belle & Sebastian's 'Legal Man' single and inquire as to whether Stuart often listens to his own songs. "I listened to Tigermilk again when we mastered it and stuck it out. That was the first time I'd heard it for ages. I don't feel big-headed when I say I think it's perfect, but I think it sums up that time that we had and the coming together of the group. It's got a lot of energy and I wouldn't change a thing about it." However, the Belle & Sebastian frontman is surprisingly much more critical about the band's second album, If You're Feeling Sinister. "It's really flawed, it's all over the place, and it's not such a happy listening experience. For a long time afterwards it was hurtful, because when we were still learning about how to make records, I thought 'we could have done that better. I want to do it better. I want to do it again.' I don't think about it too much now. Personally speaking, for the songs I've written, I think they're definitely the strongest, but the music on it fell short." As for the new album, Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant, Stuart is again frank about how he thinks it has turned out. "To be honest, it's not as fresh, and I think it will lose a bit in time. I'm happy now that the record's finished, but there's songs I've been disappointed in and it's been a total struggle. I can't describe how much work we put into that, and how much we've thrown away and chopped and changed and re-recorded. Hopefully next time we'll be able to craft a song and an arrangement without so much pain and waste." Fold Your Hands... and previous LP, The Boy With The Arab Strap have seen the songwriting and vocal duties evolve from a Stuart Murdoch showcase to the present situation where almost all of the band members contribute songs. "I think it's great that we've moved on, it's what the band's become. After we did Arab Strap, a lot of the band were really unsure what their role was, and if it was right that they should be putting songs in. And I was half way down on my knees begging them for songs, and that was wrong at the time. It actually reflected in how the album went badly initially, because the balance was all wrong, and we chucked it in for a few months and came back to it. By that time, Stevie had a couple of songs he wanted to do with Sarah, and I was like 'Sarah, where the fuck have you been hiding that one?!' Chris had started a song which we wrote together, and suddenly the whole dynamic of the record was right. We couldn't make a record like we used to - the interest wouldn't be there. We all know about music to an extent, and we can't deny that to ourselves." A near-escape onto the rush of motorway traffic, before a sharp change of direction, and Stuart decides it's time to park Max kerbside at St. Mungo's Cathedral. Religion plays a significant part in the life of Stuart Murdoch. Much of his time away from the band is spent looking after his local church hall, and the influence of his faith often extends into Belle & Sebastian songs. "My favourite book is the Bible, and my favourite book in the Bible is 'St. John', and I've lifted freely and happily from that since I read it." Unfortunately, the intended pilgrimage to the visitor centre proves elusive, as we arrive 45 minutes after closing time, so a brisk walk to the nearby caf for a cuppa seems a sensible alternative. In the multi-national surroundings of the caf (it's a strange mix of foreign tourists, post-work drinkers and college kids), Stuart ruminates on life before Belle & Sebastian. "It was a long drawn out process of actually hoping to be in a band and getting a band together. From '92 till the end of '95 I was playing with musicians and trying to get songs written. I recorded demos with Stuart, other people and on my own, and there are still songs that haven't been recorded, and from time to time we'll drop one in." >From a creative flurry in 1995, a name was now needed under which Stuart could release the fruits of his songwriting labour. "In the summer of '95, I started writing a story about two characters. One was a guy, a bit of a layabout, quite directionless; the other was a young girl who was quite plugged into what she was doing, and they'd see each other about. Basically, he ends up giving her a guitar lesson and stuff like that, and he finds that she's got a great talent for songwriting, and he's absolutely enraptured. I called the boy 'Sebastian' just because I quite liked the name, and then I thought it would be quite funny to call them 'Belle and Sebastian' because it's a nice memory from childhood." Events closer to the present day have seen bassist Stuart David relinquish his responsibilities with Belle & Sebastian to pursue his pet project, Looper, full-time. Stuart recalls the moment his namesake announced his departure from the band. "We were having a meeting to decide what we were doing about gigs and things, and Stuart said he was going off on a Looper tour, and I think I said he should maybe take a break from the band." Stuart David, though, felt a permanent leave of absence was more suitable. "I don't think he was very happy with the band or else he would have stayed. It was totally amicable when it happened. It dawned on me that day that that's what he had to do, and that's what he was completely intending to do. I mean, he basically wasn't there [laughs] - there was no real grief about it, it was a relief. My memories of Stuart and his contribution to the band are totally sweet." Coffee break over, once again we return to Max, and Stuart executes a textbook three-point-turning before we journey homewards. A couple of suspect lane changes go unmentioned, but by and large Stuart's driving skills are admirable, content as he is to cruise in resplendent leisure, paying full attention to the road ahead. "It's just as well it's an automatic," smirks Stuart, "if I had to change gears as well I wouldn't be able to speak." As Max climbs the gradient of University Avenue, just before we are dropped off, we enquire if Stuart thinks he'll write a song about his beloved car for the next record. "I don't know, if one of the songs talks about a guy called Max then you'll know what it's about..." Jason Cranwell +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jeanette at xxx.com Wed Jun 14 18:59:38 2000 From: jeanette at xxx.com (Jeanette) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:59:38 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Time is on our side Message-ID: <3947C809.7974@ktc.com> Howdy, kids. Here's the Time article, in case some of you haven't seen it. Not nearly as interesting as the Guardian write up. But, at least they refer to B&S fans as "intelligent-looking." That's nice. Swooning, Jeanette ***************************** The Belle Epoque A quirky Scottish band’s throwback pop is making adults swoon By Josh Tyrangiel The release of Belle and Sebastian's fourth album was no 'N Sync affair. Crowd control was not required. Traffic was not stopped. But when the doors opened at New York City's downtown Tower Records store last Tuesday morning, a steady procession of people — very intelligent-looking adult people — headed to the racks, grabbed their copies of Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like a Peasant (Matador) and tore out of the store, desperate to get to the first music-playing implement they could lay their hands on. Soon the Belle and Sebastian websites, and there are dozens of them, were humming: "I've got it!" wrote one fan. "It's quite remarkable how beautiful it is. There is a God!!!" Devoted fans aren't unusual in the music world, but Belle and Sebastian — not a duo, but a mixed-gender septet from Glasgow, Scotland — inspires cultish adoration from folks too old and too smart to be hanging posters on the wall. The group's votaries meet in coffee houses to pore over lyrics. A couple proudly reported naming their children Belle and Sebastian. There's even a website devoted to — no joke — original fiction inspired by B&S songs. What artistic force could cause perfectly normal adults to regress into thoroughly obsessed teens? For the most part, it's old-fashioned pop music. Belle and Sebastian blends guitars, pianos, violins, cellos, horns and whatever else is lying around into the kind of sweet pop pioneered by the Beatles, Love and Phil Spector. Lyrically, chief writer and singer Stuart Murdoch, 30, favors mournful, Smiths-influenced rhymes about the adolescent frustration that comes from desperately wanting to do something but not knowing exactly what. He's clever, but it's Murdoch's quavering falsetto that is the band's trademark. Earnest and prematurely wise, his vocals mix angst and nostalgia with a hint of optimism. As he sings on B&S's second album, If You're Feeling Sinister, "Get me away from here I'm dying/ Play me a song to set me free/ Nobody writes 'em like they used to/So it may as well be me." As good as the music is, and all three previous records have found their way into year-end critics polls, it's the group's resolve to do things in its own flighty, boho way that has transformed it from a mere band into a cosmology. Growing out of an experiment in a music-business class at Glasgow's Stowe College in 1996, Belle and Sebastian was named after an obscure French children's cartoon. The band turned down major labels and big-money offers to sign with tiny London-based Jeepster (it's distributed in the U.S. by Matador), and all seven members have kept their day jobs, including Murdoch, who rather famously lives above the annex of a church where he works as a caretaker and janitor. Their videos are hilariously amateurish. They release unrelated EPs weeks before their albums come out. They tour infrequently. And their media shyness is pathological; the photo you see here of Murdoch is the first he's ever posed for, and he has avoided interviews for years. In short, they do everything so purposefully wrong, they just have to be right. Murdoch, who interrupted his media blackout for a rare chat with TIME while vacationing in the U.S., is aware that the band has an aura of preciousness, and he dutifully tries to deflate it. "We get drunk and go out to clubs and listen to deejays," he says in a quiet brogue. He likes sports, and even checked out a Mets baseball game. His normal guyness is impressive. Still, he lovingly refers to the band as "the people's republic of Belle and Sebastian," and as he strolls through Manhattan's Greenwich Village, he stops in his tracks in front of the Lucille Lortel Theater's mini Walk of Fame. "Ring Lardner," he says, staring in wonder at the satirist's little star in the cement. "Salinger mentions him in The Catcher in the Rye, but I had no idea he was a real person until just now." Perhaps precious fits just fine. If there's a danger lurking for Belle and Sebastian, it's that the members' capriciousness may one day do them in. Each seems to have an individual musical side project in addition to his or her day job, and while Murdoch likes to think the band is peaking, he recognizes that trying to professionalize things would be a grave error. "Our lives outside of music are who we are. If we thought of ourselves as strictly professional musicians, it would probably take all the fun out of it." And leave a gaping hole in the lives of countless adoring adults. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rachel at xxx.com Wed Jun 14 19:05:36 2000 From: rachel at xxx.com (Rachel) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:05:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Hugh Dallas (3rd time lucky) Message-ID: <3947C970.756B8FA2@seahouses.u-net.com> Warrander John - Fun, Money and Love wrote: > I'm saying nothing about Portugal being pretty bloody fantastic on Monday > night cos that JJ bloke knows where I live and he's got crazy, staring eyes > and he might beat me up for being a "jock fuck". But such a handsome one - JJ here by the way, I'm not on the list but my wife is so I thought I'd reply. I've matured somewhat since then, a bit like a fine cheese, so Rod Begbie can sleep easy, I wish no harm upon him. I too enjoyed the football game, cos let's face it, football's the only winner when it comes down to it eh? Actually this time round I'm with the eastern europeans. Coom on Slovenia! You let me down bad last night chaps. > England play Romania again > next Tuesday in case nobody's noticed. I'm looking forward to the Germany > game myself. Yes and it shall be laughs all round in the Jackson/Cohen-Jackson household, I'll warrant. Who else likes Neil Young? I'm just amazed that his works managed to elude me for most of my life. Only the other week I finally got round to buying Harvest, After The Gold Rush, Comes A Time and Zuma. And my my what I have been missing! I like Belle and Sebastian's new album too. But isn't that Leave The Light On song just a lot like Air? Cheerio then I didn't want to intrude too much.. JJ xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From FoxInASnow at xxx.com Wed Jun 14 14:11:36 2000 From: FoxInASnow at xxx.com (FoxInASnow at xxx.com) Date: Wed Jun 14 14:11:36 2000 Subject: Sinister: Swearing with dignity Message-ID: <200006141810.TAA07200@missprint.org> This came from an old post of Honey's in the archives that came up when i did the profanathon search: > I quite like the word "panties", partly because it rhymes with > "Aunties" and "sea-shanties". In fact, New Year Sinister competition > no. 1 is to send me a limerick with B&S content, which features these > three words rhyming on lines 1, 2 and 5. > Competition no. 2 is the one I forgot to send in over Christmas, > because I had my head under a quilt: write a short Christmas carol, > with B&S content, featuring the rhymes "Mary" and "hairy" and "Jesus" > and "cheeses". Why don't we have fun competitions like this anymore? Why did i ever think it was a good idea to take a list hiatus while all this frolicksome good timing was going on? And where is everyone these days, anyway? In other news, Youn asked a few days ago: > orange slices and a Fall lp... > Can the person who told us about trochaic triameter (?) tell us about the > rhythm of this line? I'm not sure what song is being referenced here, and as songsmiths sometimes addle the meter of a word or phrase to make it fit into their song correctly, i can't be 100% on the meter of it as it's sung. But if you chant it out loud like a drumbeat you get something like: ORange SLICEs AND a FALL el PEE which is more or less trochaic pentameter, but without the final syllable at the end. Though i suppose you could just as easily argue that it's iambic pentameter without the initial syllable at the beginning. Hmmm. Either way, i'm sure it isn't sung in nearly as annoying a manner as it sounds if you walk around saying ORange SLICEs AND a FALL el PEE. This pesky poetry parrot has torturing my poor cat mercilessly for over a week now. Unfortunately, my cat seems to enjoy it and has been taking the parrot's side in household debates recently. I'm not sure what they're doing at home together while i'm off at work, but whatever it is, it has to be stopped. I will be sending something to the list shortly. Jess. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From RAnder3567 at xxx.com Wed Jun 14 19:23:58 2000 From: RAnder3567 at xxx.com (RAnder3567 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:23:58 EDT Subject: Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V4 #187 Message-ID: <24.6550037.267927be@aol.com> In a message dated 6/14/00 12:23:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-sinister-digest at missprint.org writes: << I dreamt that in order to achieve greater chart success, B&S decided to re-release Legal Man as a double A side with The Bloodhound Gang's The Bad Touch. It went straight to number one, and both bands were so pleased they decided to merge and write songs about breasts forever and ever. - --------------- What does all that prove? It proves that I am probably completely nuts, and I should stop eating cheese before bedtime. >> Not at all.....this is actually a very common dream if you've read any Jung. Robert in NYC +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vrider at xxx.net Wed Jun 14 20:36:57 2000 From: vrider at xxx.net (Vicki Rider) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:36:57 -0700 Subject: Sinister: I just might die with a smile on my face after all Message-ID: <005a01bfd637$efff6220$da89b4d1@compaq> Hi-- Felt depressed for days because my last post was such a crap post, so I hope this one comes out better. Listened to FYH on a car trip, now love it dearly. Better at times than Tigermilk, but it will never break the force of my 90 minute back-to-back Sinister/Arab Strap combo. Has anyone else noticed that "Beyond The Sunrise" sounds a bit like The Moody Blues song "Are You Sitting Comfortably"? Just me? OK. I'll end this remarkably short post with a B+S reminisce, so if you get queasy at such things just skip down to the end. ---> First listening to Sinister at school. I didn't have too many great friends at the time because it was the beginning of the school year and, even though I attended the last few months of the previous year, no one remembered me and anyway thought I was a bit "odd", because I listened to B+S and The Smiths instead of Third Eye Blind or nothing (oh my god! You'd be amazed at how many teenagers, when asked what kind of music they listen to, say "Oh, I don't really like music" or "I only like music you can sing to. Like, I have only one N'Sync cd, but I'm getting tired of it . . . At which point my eyes glaze over--I'm sorry, I can't help it!) Anyway, at lunch everyday I would sit on these cheesy metal bleachers and eat my lunch, looking out at the field with it's patchy sun-baked brown grass and, past that, the major road where cars would whizz by and honk at the poor PE students running their lap. I would occasionaly bring my walkman with me, and, on this particular day, I had Sinister in. The title track came on, with the sound bite of children playing in the background, and suddenly I felt marvellously happy. There was nothing I would rather be doing than this. Ciao! (in the most Eddie Izzard-sense of the word) Rachel W. Ah! Two things: Has anyone listened to The Rollerskate Skinny album "Horsedrawn Wishes"? Highly recommended to anyone who hasn't. and.. Due to much confusion, "Vicki Rider" is simply my mom's name (the account's in her name)--my name is Rachel Walther (as in the gun James Bond uses--I think my family has some heritage going back to the German gunmaker but you never know . . .). "If the Velvet Underground were an ice cream flavor, what would it be?" Andy Warhol: "Ahh, white." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk Thu Jun 15 13:21:11 2000 From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?stevie_trouss=E9?=) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:21:11 +0200 Subject: Sinister: All trousers, no mouth Message-ID: <006501bfd6c4$31a82360$151da8c0@psoc> Mes braves, mes braves It's been a long time. Too long. The last time I posted to sinister sabre-toothed tigers roamed freely, England had left-sided footballers and Northy was still on the list. Ah.... happy days. It was all green fields round here, you know, not like the sinister megalopolis of today. All we had were a few lame jokes about lemurs, the duke's lecturers on P!O!O!P and a hot toddy from old Mrs Murdoch to keep us going through the harsh winters... And lately, you know, I feel I've lost that extra yard of pace. The touch has gone. Once upon a time I could look down from the lofty heights of the crush list on my comrades below; now I languish lonely and unloved in a hellish nether-zone, like some Preston North-End of the list's affections. And frankly, I would rather fall on my sword in some last gesture of nobility than suffer the humiliation of turning up at list picnics and saying "Don't you KNOW who I AM????". And so this is my way, my friends, of bidding you farewell. I will miss you, like the deserts miss the rain, like Heskey misses crosses. There will be a gaping hole in my life, no longer to be filled with details of the revision schedules of American undergraduates, metrosexual drunken hi-jinks, news from Thailand or notices from indie nightclubs in Sheffield. I'll manage somehow... So to the Fragrant Princess Honey I say: thank you, for having me, miss. To the rest of you I say: play nice. And if you're around tomorrow (ie Friday 16th June - which Joyceans will recognise as Bloomsday) come along and help me celebrate my last day at the Society we call "Poetry" at the PoCaff in Covent Garden from 8pm, where those lonesome Pinespeople will be singing sweet sad songs of regret, and some bunged-up 1940s schoolboys called the Clientele will be twangling heartstrings with no little aplomb. It'll start at 7.30ish. Email me here for more details (trouserscuts at yahoo.co.uk - which is also my new address if any of you should be so foolish as to want to keep in touch with me). I may be some time... Stevie Trousers xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From divadeathcat at xxx.com Thu Jun 15 14:26:55 2000 From: divadeathcat at xxx.com (Li ^..^) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:26:55 GMT Subject: Sinister: feeling wonderful feeling great Message-ID: <20000615132655.93549.qmail@hotmail.com> hey peoples. i haven't posted anything in a while and since i'm in such a happy state of mind i figure that i'll write something for you all. well, the reason i'm so happy has to do with the fact that i've found the last two b&s albums :) and i've also found someone incredable. his name is Matt and he has his septum pierced and his hair is leapord print. he's obbsessed with piercings, which is awesome because so am i. i've never seen someone with so much courage. he wants to get an ampallang. :):D but he makes me happier than anyone on this earth. sometimes it's like i'm looking at another me. we're so much alike :) i'm sorry, i think i've rambled too much. i think i'll let all of this go for a bit. i just had to write how happy i was :) yours, li ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From acook at xxx.uk Thu Jun 15 14:55:24 2000 From: acook at xxx.uk (Alasdair Cook MC1996) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:55:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: ROCK me Amadeus Message-ID: <3948E04C.A5090329@cs.strath.ac.uk> Mey monkeys New album bit: I like it, they haven't got too lardy and lame really, have they? It's good how every opening song is better than the one on the last album, I think, and this opening song is the best on the whole record. Which means I don't have to bother listening to the rest, which is a relief. I'm joking. Am I ever not? Shirtlifters on the world unite and take over. I just felt like saying that. Why is it that when you reach a certain age you start using the path instead of trampling all over the grass? Or is it just me? There seems to be a politeness/civil decency gene which only activates at a certain point in time. It may be a different age for everyone, I don't know. I even stopped playing football in the car-park outside my house when a woman asked me to the other day. When I was a lad we used to just wait for the police to turn up. Anyway, John Warrander said: > > Joss(former listee) will be going to Skotland > > which made me sort of sad cos I want Joss to be a current listee. And I want > to go to Scotland too. And drink with Joss. Even if I would be ill for days > afterwards. But I can't. Everyone come to Scotland and drink with Joss. Then we can make him ingest so much alcohol his brain expoldes through his eyes, and he dies the happiest bunny in all of Fluffyland. Actually not only am I going to drink with Joss, I plan to snog him too, seeing as he's so gorgeous. If I come from behind maybe he won't see me... My, what a great game of football that was on Monday night. Anguish, torment, pain, overwhelming joy and relief, it had it all. Quite a bit like the ATP final actually, except without the ginger popstars and the fat journalists. Oh, and I've realised that Swells vs B&S is entirely my fault, so you can all hit me if you want. My, The Glasgow Herald is a great paper. Not only did they run an editorial the other week saying that anyone who defends Section 28/2a is basically an idiot (prompting lots of hilarious "You've lost another reader, you know!" letters), but they also had the bestest TV listing ever. Witness: Channel 5; X Certificate (shite porn, basically): (Would you come inside these brackets for privacy, please? Look, I know you wouldn't dream of watching this, but we have to tell you it's on. Sorry and all that). Paul Arathoon said: > If I had the guts I would say here "Music should come from the heart, not > from the head". However that sentance makes me want to be sick. It sounds as > if it came from a rockumentary on Kenny G or soemthing. No, it came from Tim Hopkins I think. Oh, I've just read Trousers' mail saying he's going. Bye Stevie. Now he's gone can we can all say how we never liked him anyway, or will he still read the archives? Short-arse. Struan: > "It's not a woman. Because it carries you about and does things and > it's black, you look at it more as your butler." I like the way Stuart's purposely trying to offend as many people as possible, a bit like Roy "Chubby" Brown except funny. If Stuart did stand up comedy instead of music, would this list still exist? I like to think so. I've really written enough. Everyone in London go and see Camera Obscura cos they deserve your money far more than Martin Robinson does. Bye for now, Alasdair xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Thu Jun 15 16:43:49 2000 From: ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:43:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian the Unstoppable Sex Machine Message-ID: <394907C4.30298.22F1C4@localhost> Bonjourno I had a dream last night, that Belle and Sebastian were on telly, playing a song with Jim Bob from Carter USM. I can't remember how it went, but I remember that there was a man at the back, who kept blowing a whistle and saying things, Parklife style. He wore big trousers. I thought it was a rather good song. Then Stuart's arms turned to bacon and he was eaten by the dog. That interview with Stuart was interesting because it revealed a bit about how he thinks. I remember when Pulp released This Is Hardcore, and me and my friend couldn't understand how Jarvis could write an ace song like Dishes, then write a song like Glory Days, without noticing it was a bit crap. So it's nice to know that Stuart's critical of his songs. It's a good way to be. I just hope he doesn't listen to the ramblings of the slightly bonkers and frighteningly named Sinister List organisation. Nutters. I also like the way the group likes to do things in its own flighty, boho way. Hmmm... Robin. x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elenita99 at xxx.com Thu Jun 15 17:44:41 2000 From: elenita99 at xxx.com (elenita99) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:44:41 CEST Subject: Sinister: London Summer Picnic Message-ID: <20000615154441.28259.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello hello littles friends, Well, I guess the title says it all. I am sure a lot of London listees are either stuck in the office or stuck in London anyway, so a summer picnic might cheer you up (or the wine will if the picnic doesn't) So....here we go, the factual facts are the following: - Where: Primrose Hill, near Camden Station - When: Saturday 8th of July, around 2pm As for the picnic bag, you might fill it up as you want to, trying not to forget your drinks, crisps, sandwiches (hand-made or not)and other common picnic dishes. Of course any football, frisbee or cricket-set is very welcome, if you want to do a bit of exercise after lunch, as well as any stereo or guitar or even ukelele. As for the meeting point...well I guess we could say the top of the hill, which is simple really: wen you can't climb anymore you're at the right place, where you will probably find some fellows listees already drinking wine and eating brie... Should you need any more information please don't hesitate to email me or my fellow picnic's colleagues (mellstreet at btinternet.com), we'll try to help, I promise. (or to confuse you and send you on the top of Greenwich Hill eh eh eh) Have a very nice week-end you all Love Elena ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From foxinthesnow_ at xxx.com Thu Jun 15 17:19:54 2000 From: foxinthesnow_ at xxx.com (Fox in the snow) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:19:54 PDT Subject: Sinister: Toronto picnic Message-ID: <20000615161954.25010.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello all:) Well... My friend from Scotland and I ( from Quebec city) are coming to Toronto during the week of the 23rd for a few days. And we would like to meet up with other Sinister ppl for a picnic:) And also have a few recommendations on what to see? where to stay? and where to go out?:) As for the picnic.. Can anyone help me find a nice park where we can go?:) ok I think that's about it really:) cheers, Karolyne foxinthesnow_ at hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Thu Jun 15 17:40:39 2000 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:40:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I Want To Hear Songs About Mad's Max Message-ID: <000001bfd6e8$aed032a0$d15a063e@default> Hi Sin Sisters, So the new album's pants, B&S have gone to the dogs, & Sinister's not like it used to be in the good old days. Hmmmmmmmmm. Scores on the Moore's simple do-I-like-the-songs? meter Tigermilk 6/10 IYFS 6/10 TBWTAS 5/12 FELCHYLAP* 7/11 I think the "problem", if there actually is one, lies with the single :) I was really staggered to see Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying top the recent Sinister B&S song poll. My affection for songs is driven by the music first, then the delivery of the lyrics, & then the words maybe get a look in after that. GMAFH,ID sounds like Stuart was in a tearing hurry to finish the vocal take and get off down the pub or go for a bag of chips. Similar bafflement was evoked by I Don't Love Anyone appearing in the "least favourite" part of the chart. What's going on there, then? I fail to see anyone not being impressed with the emotional truth of the performance. Perhaps my opinion is influenced by having seen a live performance from close up. Or maybe I'm a just greybeard who can still remember Blind Faith. Why no reports of the Embra picnic? How was it? I hope everyone had fine weather & a great time, especially those borne there on the Wings Of Love. I know I'm asking this on the wrong list, apologies, but did anyone get a good tape of all of the Cinerama performance on John Peel last night? My attempt was unsuccessful :(( I have lots of gooOoodies to swap for one......... Who's Hubert Selby? Love, David Moore Chelmsford, UK *Sorry, just testing the sexual sophistication of the SW England school system censor on Honey's behalf. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From geishalass at xxx.com Thu Jun 15 18:40:56 2000 From: geishalass at xxx.com (Red Geisha) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:40:56 EDT Subject: Sinister: Toronto picnic Message-ID: <20000615174056.23402.qmail@hotmail.com> And also have a few >recommendations on what to see? where to stay? and where to go out?:) There are a million good places to stay it depends on what your range is. You may want to see the usual, CN Tower, Canada's Wonderland, etc. Queen St. & Yorkville are two of the better shopping experiences. Penguin Music @ Queen & McCaul is your best to find good music...you can also look at a bunch of flyers in any of the clothing/music stores on Queen St. to fit your musical tastes. As for places to club there are three or four options, depending on your taste. A new night is beginning on the 23rd @ the Down One called "The Vanity Fair" which will feature pop, uk indie, etc. There is also "The International Colouring Contest" on every 2nd Friday. "Soul Night" at the Rivoli happens once or twice monthly. There is also "Blow-Up" on Saturdays which is a soul, groove, psych, uk-indie, pop night and has been running in various incarnations for four years. That is located at the El Mocamobo @ Spadina & College. We have loads of beautiful bars in the city & some new hot Bubble tea rooms. Try the College strip for nice bars & Cumberland St. for the new Bubble tea room. For more interesting eye candy I'd also visit Chinatown on the weekend, Kensington Market, the AGO or the Bata Shoe Museum. >As for the picnic.. Can anyone help me find a nice park where we can go?:) > Ha! You obviously didn't get the memo, all our parks have been inhabited by the cities homeless. Many of our downtown parks aren't worth the bother anymore as our gov't has been skimpy on cheap housing...some people even have tents! There is High Park (the best park in the city) but it is massive. The park in Kensington isn't too bad but it really depends on the day and weekends are also filled with suburban kids napping before their next "party". ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CountingStars at xxx.net Thu Jun 15 20:45:18 2000 From: CountingStars at xxx.net (Painting With Light) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:45:18 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: Sinister: Midlands picnic details delete if uninterested Message-ID: <20000615194518.13472.qmail@fsmail.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From imn_uk at xxx.uk Thu Jun 15 21:16:29 2000 From: imn_uk at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?ian=20nicolson?=) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:16:29 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: life should be full of strangeness, like a rich painting Message-ID: <20000615201629.13869.qmail@web4307.mail.yahoo.com> there seems to have been something of a dearth of messages lately. maybe everyone's out enjoying the sun, or actually doing interesting and exciting stuff. god, we can't have that...or maybe it's just that i'm checking my mail more regularly now that i've finished college (*forever!*) and have nothing else to do, rather than leaving it for two weeks and trying to get through two hundred in one go. so, are any other proud bus pass carriers somewhat perturbed by stuart's new car? is it just me who thinks that car drivers are intrinsically evil? maybe we should round up a gang of young hyndland thugs (this is irony) to scratch max's sides with coins. he does have leather seats mind...how morrissey. but i hope it doesn't mean we'll be subjected to a glut of chris rea/brian may type songs about being in love with a car, or indeed, 'cruisin' down the 'highway'. maybe the b+s movie could be a road movie, though. a kinda remake of vanishing point, set on the m8...how existential. i'd be willing to play either the dj or the nakey girlie on the motorbike... there was a guy called 'fatty' playing football for turkey tonight. i was hoping it might be the boy from the bash street kids...a bit unlikely, i guess ...cartoon characters rarely get the international recognition they deserve. i don't think he was even turkish anyway. message to all wages slaves (or indeed anyone who actually has to leave the house in the morning to do *anything*) - i spent today sitting in the sun, doing nothing. i intend to do the same tomorrow. i don't have any money to do anything else, true, but it's quite fun just now. enjoy work ian n ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nessamalone at xxx.net Thu Jun 15 21:36:39 2000 From: nessamalone at xxx.net (nessa) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:36:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: writing frightening verse to a bucktooth gurl in luxembourg *smiths quote subject line no 345732* Message-ID: <001501bfd709$80d3b9a0$52e5869f@p5l9l8> 1: nessa has a whinge I'm feeling a wee bit down for some reason I don't really understand. my exams are nearly finished and its officially summer. It could have something to do w/ the fact I haven't gotten any non mailing list mail in about 2 weeks. I'm putting a hex on people who haven't e mailed me back in yonks as I type. Plus I haven't gotten post in days. Or many phone calls. And god it makes me feel miserable. I saw the video for the delgados' american trilogy last night. they're very into the cycling thing still, most bands w/ outside obsessions lose them after the first album. I'm impressed. I got a video of Smiths videos for xmas and I was really disappointed w/ it, I watched it for the first time today. b+s have the knack of epitomising the song in their videos, or they used to. I haven't seen the one for legal man yet. anyway, most of the videos the smiths did didn't. the video for Ask was probably pretty trendy looking at the time but the kleidung etc made me cringe now. 2: nessa get confus-sed >he has his septum pierced when I read that first I thought of the septum of the heart rather than the septum of the nose. It took me a minute to realise what she meant. Apparantly someone who used to be in eastenders has no more septum due to too much of the white stuff. And thats not flour. and, ehh, what the fuck is an ampallang? do I want to know? nessa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.edu Fri Jun 16 02:40:08 2000 From: ynoh at xxx.edu (Youn J. Noh) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: life should be full of strangeness, like a rich painting ... i want to be in it but to see the strangeness, too In-Reply-To: <20000615201629.13869.qmail@web4307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello, Sinister. ian nicolson wrote: > so, are any other proud bus pass carriers somewhat > perturbed by stuart's new car? ... but i > hope it doesn't mean we'll be subjected to a glut of > chris rea/brian may type songs about being in love > with a car, or indeed, 'cruisin' down the 'highway'. I was thinking more along the lines of "Spring Rain", or maybe a song about potholes (is that what you call them, too?), as he's mentioned them before. Owning a car in Scotland would be nice. Maybe Stuart wants to take a drive around Loch Lomond or even further north through all that beautiful dramatic scenery. One could probably make the same trip by bus, but it wouldn't be the same. One might need to be alone. Robin wrote: That interview with Stuart was interesting because it revealed a bit about how he thinks ... So it's nice to know that Stuart's critical of his songs. It's a good way to be. I just hope he doesn't listen to the ramblings of the slightly bonkers and frighteningly named Sinister List organisation. Nutters. Yeah ... I was wondering if Stuart just didn't care about B & S as much, if he was blinded by love, or ??? But what he said in the interview made me think that it might be better that he is decent than for him to insist that they just do his songs, etc. I just hope he writes all the songs he has in him. I don't think he gives enough credit to IYFS, though. If you've heard the version of Fly that's on Time of No Reply and compared it to the studio version, you must see that sometimes production just gets in the way. I love how the Model starts with the harpischord then the drums bringing all the other instruments in. It's funny how Stuart gets the lyrics wrong. Somebody mentioned chastity as a reason for chest/breasts, but I like to think of it as a girl who's skinny raw rebellious and so it's more appropriate to say chest. And the lines that Stevie sings seem like an inner voice of self-quotation. It's natural. The whole mood of confrontation mixed with fondness - it's so keen. (Let this be Stuart's kind of love song.) If only Stuart had read Katarina's email before he wrote the Chalet Lines, the part about the bus stop where she was told about it. I think the most evocative part in the song is the part that's not in the first person, especially "her face was just a smear on the pane". The song is just too weary and after-the-fact. People have suggested that denial or withdrawal may be a part of it, but it seems that only those who have had life experiences to support the themes in the song have enough to go on. There isn't enough tension to suggest that something is there behind what's not expressed. What exactly about rape is so horrible? (not that it isn't horrible, but isn't it possible that the reactions to it could be appropriated? what got me thinking about this is what Peter Miller wrote about Stuart as a Butlins chaletmaid - flippant but acceptable whereas with females it wouldn't be appropriate to talk about it that way. so there is an established pattern of reaction, at least for males vs. females, streetwise vs. traumatized, etc.) So I got to hear Eric J. Lawrence's show on KCRW (89.9 FM - LA area) and he played Baroque Plastique, a song from Stereolab's new album, and it has that chord progression (sounds like scales to me) sort of thing in it that Nick mentioned in There's Too Much Love and it's really cool - in both songs. I think this song could do without the strings. Overall, I like the sound of the new album a lot, but I wish they didn't make such an effort to have the album sound of a piece. Tigermilk isn't that way. I like odd angles and unforeseen connections. Yours, Youn +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CrimsonKing at xxx.net Fri Jun 16 03:22:41 2000 From: CrimsonKing at xxx.net (Andy Corradino) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 02:22:41 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Casey Kasem is on the phone... Message-ID: <20000616022240.YOMA3646.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@LOCALNAME> According to this morning's Los Angeles Times, "Fold Your Hands Child..." premiered at No. 80 with 17,000 copies sold. Burning up the charts at a pace not seen since The Red Crayola! Courtney, whatever happened to the LA party you mentioned? OK, I'm done here. Andy +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vincewong at xxx.com Fri Jun 16 04:39:50 2000 From: vincewong at xxx.com (vincent wong) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:39:50 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Toronto picnic In-Reply-To: <20000615174056.23402.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: For music shops, you should check out soundscapes, its a little store on collage street strip, just west of bathurst, amazing indie section including a whole section dedicated to just matador artist, and also a 4AD section. vince on 6/15/00 1:40 PM, Red Geisha at geishalass at hotmail.com wrote: > > > And also have a few >> recommendations on what to see? where to stay? and where to go out?:) > > There are a million good places to stay it depends on what your range is. > You may want to see the usual, CN Tower, Canada's Wonderland, etc. Queen St. > & Yorkville are two of the better shopping experiences. Penguin Music @ > Queen & McCaul is your best to find good music...you can also look at a > bunch of flyers in any of the clothing/music stores on Queen St. to fit your > musical tastes. As for places to club there are three or four options, > depending on your taste. A new night is beginning on the 23rd @ the Down One > called "The Vanity Fair" which will feature pop, uk indie, etc. There is > also "The International Colouring Contest" on every 2nd Friday. "Soul Night" > at the Rivoli happens once or twice monthly. There is also "Blow-Up" on > Saturdays which is a soul, groove, psych, uk-indie, pop night and has been > running in various incarnations for four years. That is located at the El > Mocamobo @ Spadina & College. We have loads of beautiful bars in the city & > some new hot Bubble tea rooms. Try the College strip for nice bars & > Cumberland St. for the new Bubble tea room. For more interesting eye candy > I'd also visit Chinatown on the weekend, Kensington Market, the AGO or the > Bata Shoe Museum. > >> As for the picnic.. Can anyone help me find a nice park where we can go?:) >> > Ha! You obviously didn't get the memo, all our parks have been inhabited by > the cities homeless. Many of our downtown parks aren't worth the bother > anymore as our gov't has been skimpy on cheap housing...some people even > have tents! There is High Park (the best park in the city) but it is > massive. The park in Kensington isn't too bad but it really depends on the > day and weekends are also filled with suburban kids napping before their > next "party". > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ > +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ > +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ > +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From buron at xxx.com Fri Jun 16 10:52:34 2000 From: buron at xxx.com (St=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=phane Buron) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:52:34 +0200 Subject: Sinister: B&S in the US In-Reply-To: <002501c04ddc$7b8f32e0$ac8ffacf@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hello, i just found this article on nme.com. Hope you haven't read it yet... Cheers Stéphane ------------------------------------- BELLE AND SEBASTIANs album "FOLD YOUR HANDS CHILD, YOU WALK LIKE A PEASANT’ have crossed over from the underground charts in the US into the mainstream of the BILLBOARD HOT 100. It is the US equivalent of the Top 40, based on a combination of record sales and radio play. Billboard’s assistant chart production manager, Alex Vitoulis, told nme.com that the album entering the chart at Number 80 this week was a significant step up for the band in the States. Up-and-coming acts are usually included in the Heatseekers’ chart. When a band graduates to the Top 200 in the Billboard chart, it is a step into the mainstream. But to leap straight into the Top 100 is rare. He said: "Once an artist is hot they reach the Top 100... it is considered mainstream, that means you have reached a wider audience and are well-known. Belle And Sebastians album was expected to go into the Heatseekers’ because they are an underground band. So this is a bigger deal because of that." He added that the buzz about the band Stateside is growing rapidly. The album, which came out in the States through Matador records on June 6, is already selling faster than their last album The Boy With The Arab Strap’, with 17,000 copies sold in the first week. ‘...Arab Strap’ has sold 84,000 copies since it was released in 1998. A band spokesperson said this morning (June 15) that they were delighted when they heard the news yesterday: "Going in at number 80 in America is pretty unheard of for a British band." She also added that despite mounting pressure for them to tour in the States, both the UK and American dates which had been slated for August and September are likely to now be delayed until the end of the year. Meanwhile the band have unveiled the video for album track The Wrong Girl’ in the States, but a spokesperson said it would not be released as a single, they just decided to make a video for it - the band have famously never released an album track as a single. Speaking on www.mtv.com, drummer Richard Colburn explained the video for the song, penned by guitarist Stevie Jackson. He said: "The video was based around him being born and going through all the stages of his life, y’know, having girlfriends that weren’t quite right and then ending up with the girlfriend he has now, who hopefully is the right girl as opposed to the wrong girl." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From coool_air at xxx.com Fri Jun 16 13:12:04 2000 From: coool_air at xxx.com (Claire Timmins) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:12:04 PDT Subject: Sinister: calling all the heroes - shooting up the town boy Message-ID: <20000616121204.72130.qmail@hotmail.com> dear all (well you french ones) As you amy know, V-Twin are playing in Paris on the 21st/20th/22nd (not sure really) of June. They are playing alongside the French national orchestra, and Chirac will be there. Anyway the help I require is this: does anyone know of a website that would broadcast such a thing? Is there a french music, news site that has mentioned this? Or are there any I should check? thanks. claire* ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk Fri Jun 16 14:30:21 2000 From: amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk (amy_jackson0) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:30:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: i never knew picnics could be so much fun! Message-ID: <008901bfd797$06c26560$98d6b0c2@tinypc> hello chickens, how are you all? well, i'm okay, recovering from my brief trip to the bright lights of Glasgow and Edinburgh (hello Jarvis! don't have your email addy so mail me!) which was extremely cool....met up with the *wonderful* Jason Andreas and equally cool Neil Milton and went to the sinister picnic, which was cool but scary cos I was dead shy, so sorry if i seemed distant, i was just nervous, and recovering form going up to the top of the Scott Monument, which is a big thing for someone who is scared of heights....But it was a great laugh, despite the other people in Princes Street Gardens letting their rubbish blow in the wind onto us, grrr.....then everyone went to the pub, where i was sat with Jason, Neil, our mate Claire and Lucy Alder, who travelled all the way from LONDON!!! I couldn't believe it, there i was thinking i'd travelled pretty far (250 miles)..........well done Lucy!! Said goodbye to Honey too, despite being too shy to speak to him all day...sorry 'bout that....the picnic was ace, i had such a good time, we really must do it again some time.... saw looper at King Tuts on Sunday night too, which was sublime......met Sarah Martin and Chris Geddes too, which was completely unexpected but Very Nice. and Stuart David dedicated a song to me, which was also a *HUGE* shock, but a lovely one at that, i'll remember it always, cheers Jason....xxx.....was trying to think what was the best song they did, i'm torn between "Impossible Things #2" and "Puddle Monkey", simply for Stu D's megaphoned "1-2-3-4"!!!! it was a superb weekend........thanks lads! *ahem* i finally got FISHYCLAP too, have to say i think it is brilliant, especially "Waiting For The Moon To Rise", "There's Too Much Love" and "Don't Leave The Light On Baby".......all we need now are some live dates, hint hint.......i dunno whether it's better than Tigermilk, it's different to all the albums i suppose.....at the moment i prefer it to IYFS and TBWTAS, but not to Tigermilk......i dunno, maybe that'll change...... okay, i need a good moan, so you're all gonna bear the brunt of it.....all weekend i wore a pair of rather fetching/slightly mental pink Doc Martin sandals, which looked nice when i bought them, but were extremely uncomfortable.....well, i now have two *HUGE* infected cuts, which started off as small blisters, on my heels, and i cannae walk! it's awful, I have to balance on my tip-toes to walk anywhere cos if i put my feet flat on the ground it stretches the blisters and they bleed and *urgh* it's just disgusting! any ideas on how i can stop them from hurting??? i don't mean to make you all sick with this, i'm just desperate for some help cos THEY HURT!!!!! ~bursts into tears~ righty, that's me done for a while....... take care, be happy, keep smiling weeamybelle xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ************************************ "if there's a place i wanna go, then i'll be there with you, cos in my dreams the things i'm wishing for keep coming true" ************************************ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nil.c at xxx.se Fri Jun 16 14:45:03 2000 From: nil.c at xxx.se (Nilesh Chauhan) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:45:03 +0200 Subject: Sinister: B&S picnics in UMEA/ SWEDEN Message-ID: <001701bfd799$12d23f40$aef6b4c1@datornamn.bonet.umea.se> hiya, im quite new here and i have noticed all this talk of picnics here and there and i was wondering if someone can fill me in, is there to be any picnics in sweden? or have i missed them? i currently reside in Umeå, are there any other B&S fans on this list from the same town??? actually i dont mind hearing from any swedes on this list... as i mentioned, im new to the list so here is some stuff about me : Name : Nilesh Chauhan Age : 21 Home town : birmingham, england Fav bands : b&s, red house painters, sunny day real estate, posies, travis, mogwai, placebo, pearl jam, brandtson, radiohead, modest mouse, rainer maria, godspeed YBE, sleater kinney, grandaddy, pedro the lion, mercury rev etc etc etc Also like : to read ( stuff like plath, brett easton ellis etc ) and football ( arsenal fan) and films ( happiness, i shot andy warhol, basquiat, lost highway) that'll do take care all and be nice to me :) Nilesh +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From meanies at xxx.uk Fri Jun 16 15:16:29 2000 From: meanies at xxx.uk (Mick Cooke) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:16:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: New Diary of a Band Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000616151629.007b0100@mail.force9.net> Hello all, The Glasgow University Guardian has stopped publishing for the summer break. We don't even know if they want to include our diaries in the next academic year (different staff), but we're going to continue the diaries whenever the mood takes us. DIARY OF A BAND 16th June 2000 It's been two weeks now since Top of the Pops, and seeing as Stuart's been in the States since then, and Diary time is here again, I thought I'd better write a bit about that. Playing on Top of the Pops truly was a lifetime's ambition realised. It didn't disappoint either, something I have heard other bands bemoan. As we may never have such a chance again, we decided to make the most of it. There was quite a crowd of us there. Our (mentally un-)sound engineer Tony Doogan came along, and caused quite a stir with his monkey cavalier cavortings. He was actively encouraged by us, naturally. What happened was, we had hired two costumes, the monkey suit and the cavalier, for two people to wear. We thought Jonny Quinn- on bongos- might want to wear the monkey suit, but understandably he wanted his face seen on the telly. Can you imagine- 'Look mum, that's me there, on Top of the Pops. That's right, the gorilla'. So it was all down to Tony. He tried the monkey suit, he tried the cavalier, but neither seemed quite right. It was Chris who suggested he be a monkey cavalier, and the rest is, well, history. Needless to say, Tony was the biggest hit with the kids. The flowers weren't our idea, by the way. They were there when we got there. Obviously some bright spark at the BBC thought, 'L.O.V.E, love, what does that suggest? Ah, I know, roses!'. Quite a good thing to throw at a young teenage crowd though. We had a blast. Afterwards, in the bar, Stevie achieved another lifetime's ambition by jamming with Chrissie Hynde. I don't understand how it started really, but I turn round one minute, and there's Stevie doing his Elvis Costello impression- he always does 'The Sun Has Got His Hat On'- to Chrissie Hynde, and she's doing her Joni Mitchell impression back! Then she gives us a medley of Pretenders classics. At one point she was kneeling on a chair, with Stuart's electric guitar held against a bar table (to amplify it), screaming away at 'Don't Get Me Wrong'. It was during this stage of the proceedings that some people thought it would be a good idea to check out Albert Square. So off they trooped, past the 'no entry' signs, into the Square, into Pauline's house, over to the Queen Vic (all the lights were out). Neil and Richard had a piss in the bushes in the Square. Then security arrived. Stuart legged it, and Neil and Richard, having relieved themselves, were off, but the others were held in the security hut while the police were called. It took the Top of the Pops producer and Jamie Theakston to diffuse the situation. Watching Eastenders will never be the same again. Mick Cooke _________________________________________________________ the Official Belle and Sebastian Band Site is at: http://www.belleandsebastian.co.uk/home/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Fri Jun 16 14:01:49 2000 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:01:49 +0200 Subject: Sinister: No Trousers, No Comment Message-ID: <000401bfd7ae$78353ee0$3aa8243e@itjfvkli> Sometimes when listees leave it feels like the end of an era. Sad, but we can get over it. Trousers' departure, however, feels like the end of two eras, a kind of cruel double whammy. Not only will the list have to survive without one of the keenest upholders of the Jasper Buckaroo aesthetic, the Poetry Society is to lose him too. After perking up a bit with Ted Hughes' "The Birthday Letters" and Seamus Heaney's recent translation of "Noggin the Nog", both ghostwritten by Trousers, I feel sure than British poetry is heading for a long spell in the doledrums, apart from Buzzwords. My fondest memory of Trousers comes from the excellent book "The Message". It's the bit where Trousers is reading Boyzone lyrics to a load of schoolchildren. We shall never see his like again, and neither will the schoolchildren. I read Staurt's letter to the NME yesterday. My mouth is opening and closing but no sound is coming out. In his mardy-arsed reply, Steven Wells claims that B&S fans wouldn't know a good rock'n'roll tune if it bit them. That's not true is it, Fuzzbox fans? Thank you to Jason Connery for sending in that article about Stuart's new gas-guzzling motor. Most enjoyable. Peter "It's not a woman. because it carries you about and does things and it's black, you look at it more as your butler." - Stuart Murdoch +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Fri Jun 16 17:51:18 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:51:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Morrissey, Murdoch, Merritt and Malkmus Message-ID: <80256900.005DB9D1.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> No. 80 with a bullet eh? Whenever you lot get pissed off with the British and their superior attitude, bear in mind that many of us still get a thrill when big America comes to appreciate our own. I remember the thrill I got in about 1989 when I discovered that Spin had voted 'There Is A Light That Never Goes Out' the seventh best song ever. It's even better when they make it to People magazine. Of course it does neither side any credit when stars way past their sell-by date finally get huge in America (the Kinks, Morrissey again). It was really nice to get that piece from the 'other' Guardian. Made me realise that interviews with bands you like can evoke more than just a 'durr.. they've got that wrong' response. Stuart's brief comments about the albums were, as far as I can recall, the only ones he's ever made in public. I'd heard before that the band weren't happy with the way Sinister was recorded, and that he wasn't over the moon about the way the new album came out in the end, but it's nice to know they're not just hearsay. Like David Moore says, you can hear that 'Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying' isn't given the 'big' treatment it could receive, but like Youn, I kind of like it that way. It's unusual to hear an artist candidly admit that an old album contains the best songs they've ever written, though. I think Morrissey (him again) once said something along the lines of "I think Johnny and I both know that those [Smiths] records are the best we've ever done or will do" and it made me warm to him. Not sure if JM would concede the point, but still. Youn wrote some interesting things about 'The Chalet Lines' and when it's deemed acceptable to express opinions or even joke about rape. She's right that male rape is somehow OK to snigger about. So's murder. But not female rape. Is rape worse than murder? Probably not, but men feel uncomfortable being anything other than wholly earnest about it because of the lingering fear that we are are all potential rapists, or that somehow joking about it is a violation in itself. Or maybe it's just that we know that you can't offend the murdered. I once knew a woman who expressed what I'm sure is a widely adopted view in certain feminist schools of thought: that it is pernicious to build rape up as the worst possible thing that can happen to a woman. To her, the obsession with rape's scars was just another way for society to cast women in the role of victim and diminish their powers of resilience. That was what got me thinking about the comparison with murder, and I decided I basically agreed with her. Of course the downside of taking this view is that it make you look heartless: just because one woman can get over it doesn't mean another should be criticised for failing to do so. So. Maybe Stuart is being brave in not caving into the idea that a song about rape can't sit happily on a pop LP. But I still don't want to listen to it. Apart from anything else, lines like 'Full of woe and further to go' just seem crap to me. Isn't 'woe' one of those words that people only use in the modern world when they're trying to sound poetic or quoting nursery rhymes? Which I suppose he is. Sorry, a bit of a 'Chalet Lines' - 'The girl smells of milk' segue follows: Funny thing. My two favourite songwriters of the last twenty years share the same intials. Stephen Malkmus wouldn't be far off either. And now I'm belated becoming obsessed with Stephin Merritt. Three of them have varients of the same first name too. OK, it's not funny. It's just a meaningless coincidence, but humans have an irrational urge to point out meaningless coincidences. And I'm human. Not a gorilla. I dressed as a gorilla cavalier to a party once. I met another gorilla cavalier there and it was the best sex that I ever had. Last Smiths reference: nessa wondered why their videos were so crap. Well they refused to make them for a long time, which led their US record company to commission their own promos 'in a Smiths vein'. So you get some NHS-bespectacled oaf in NHS specs for 'Ask' and some troubled arty girl spinning round like a loon for 'How Soon is Now?'. The first one made with their involvement was the 'parodic' one for 'I Started Something I Couldn't Finish', I think. Or maybe there was one for 'Girlfriend in a Coma'. I can't remember. Anyway, then they split up and Morrissey decided he loved looking at himself after all, so he made lots more. David was funny with his like/don't like ratios for all the albums. I can't imagine not liking that many songs of my favourite band. I like 8/11 songs on the new one but to me that's a pretty poor return. I don't like having to sit tight and take the clunks or use the skip button. My spies tell me that the rotter Trousers has gone off to form a Spearmint mailing list which he says will be just like Sinister but more intellectual. Ha! As if. Nicholas 'skinny raw rebellious' Dastoor xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bellezc at xxx.com Fri Jun 16 20:31:43 2000 From: bellezc at xxx.com (zoe charaktinou) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:31:43 PDT Subject: Sinister: at last!!!! Message-ID: <20000616193143.98454.qmail@hotmail.com> hello sinister land!!! At last I've got my very own internet connection here in greekyland!!!! I AM SOOOOOO HAPPY!!!!I'll be able to keep in touch with the list over the summer.How cool is that???? Now I'll go mad and do things the uni wouldn't allow me like chat with u guys and stufff like that.so happy. it's sooooooo hot here in athens and those damn mosquitos are killing me but i'm on sinister list listening to FISHYCLAP in Athens.... YIPPIE!!!!!!I'll go now.love you all ZO ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jkrze at xxx.net Fri Jun 16 22:58:30 2000 From: jkrze at xxx.net (jkrze at xxx.net) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: intros, dreams, and love advice from Pat Boone Message-ID: <5184-394AA306-7202@storefull-227.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Hello Everyone, I've noticed the list has been lacking posts lately so I've taken it upon myself to cram up everyone's mailboxes. I suppose I should start by introducing myself seeing this is my first post. My name is JoAnn and I am from Detroit, a city recognized globally for its cars and music, but in my humble little heart it will always rekindle memories of steaming sewers, dirty alleys, and broken glass (something I affectionately have grown to name "city glitter"). You can imagine my jealousy when reading other's posts from the list which speak of taking walks down to rivers, climbing hills, running in fields....maybe someday I'll be fortunate enough to have such surroundings. However, until then I'll take a nice deep breath of the smell of burning rubber and try to imagine I'm LLPainter Jane running and running and running to the edge of town getting pollen on the cuffs of my pants. So I had a B&S dream the other night. From what I've read it seems to happen to a lot of listees. Anyway, I was at a B&S concert, but they were playing songs I've never heard before. Next thing I know (you know how in dreams sometimes you're just transported somewhere without actually moving), I am sitting on a ledge right in front of the stage. Stuart comes up to me and says, "Hey, that's a cool shirt. How much did it cost?" I look down to discover I am wearing an Elvis t-shirt. Out of nowhere, my little sister appears next to me on the ledge which is fitting because she is in real life obsessed with Elvis. So I ask her, "how much did this shirt cost?" and she answered, "about twenty minutes". Well, Stuart gets a big kick out of her saying "minutes" rather than "dollars" and starts cracking up. Then he says to me, "JoAnn, do you mind if I break your back?". I woke up before I could answer. In my subject line I promised some love advice from the legendary pop crooner Pat Boone. No, it wasn't given to me personally, I read it in a book I picked up at a rummage sale written by the man himself in the 1950's. The book was originally intended as a guide on life and love for teenagers, but now it serves pretty well for laughs. I tempt no longer, here is an actual quote, "Kissing is not a game....Kissing for fun is like playing with a beautiful candle in a roomful of dynamite!" Pat suggests going bowling or watching a TV program as an alternative. So remember kids, when you are out this weekend enjoying the sun with your special someone ---- NO Kissing For Fun!!! Kiss for your local charity, kiss just for practice, but by god, don't let me hear of you kissing just for fun! Goodbye. Take care one and all, JoAnn "I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing than teach ten thousand stars how not to dance" --- e.e. cummings +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From james.glossop at xxx.com Sat Jun 17 09:04:54 2000 From: james.glossop at xxx.com (James Glossop) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:04:54 +0100 (GMT/BST) Subject: Sinister: Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:05:23 +0100 Message-ID: <002101bfd832$cff0ea60$2544063e@glossop> http://members.internetjunk.com/i2eye +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sidney.reilly at xxx.net Sun Jun 18 01:55:32 2000 From: sidney.reilly at xxx.net (HopelesslySmitten) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:55:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: There are some songs which............ Message-ID: <000001bfd8c0$c3b4f500$3c072cc3@mowatbtinternet> There are some songs which the record buying public should never have the misfortune to hear.............. Livin' On A Prayer - Bon Jovi Gimme All Your Lovin' - ZZ Top (Just Like) Starting Over - John Lennon Jump - Van Halen and I could go on and on and on (as I'm sure some would say I already am) but maybe worse than any of these is "Beyond the Sunrise" - I keep waiting for the backing vocals of Bing Crosby and David Bowie to come in with Little Drummer Boy...........in the words of a friend of mine, "it sucks"...........this could possibly be the worst song i've ever heard.....(no, that's Whispering Grass - Windsor Davis & Don Estelle) but there are some great songs on this album The Model Don't Leave the Light on Baby The Wrong Girl Chalet Lines Nice Day for a Sulk just my opinion.................... HS and if you've never heard Hefner - The Fidelity Wars, you're missing out so go hear it today +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kpc98c at xxx.UK Sun Jun 18 14:00:58 2000 From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:00:58 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Roman's realm Message-ID: <200006181301.OAA21958@missprint.org> Hello all, Hmm.. things been quiet around here, I guess probably because all the students (myself included) have gone home leaving only the saddo bedroom devotees* and techheads* behind. I just remembered that Milton Keynes is a really boring place.. even when a huge big funkoff indoor ski centre is about to open here. I just got my results for my exams and they went okay.. but all the marks were in complete opposite to how well I thought the exam went.. but still who cares. (I should, I guess :-)) IF YOU ARE FROM LONDON CLAP YOUR HANDS! ======================================= Hmm.. okay I'll admit this e-mail has an ulterior motive, well, I have got a lucrative job placement in Liverpool St. in London from 3rd July until 8th September (10 weeks), and I am wondering if any Lovely London Listees would have a spare room that they can rent a very well mannered boy. Please please please say yes! I am also willing to pay big bucks plus my soul** plus a few cans of Redbull for it. Please e-mail me soon if you have got anything at all :-) otherwise I will have to find houses from evil landlord people :-( or commute 2 hours every day :-(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( That's all for now, there goes a cow! Love, gopeds and redbulls Ken * myself included ** well actually Jeepeter already own my soul so you'd have to fight them over it.. ====================================================================== If you think you see with just your eyes you're mad, Lisa learned a lot from putting on a blindfold, when she knew she had been bad She met another blind kid at a fancy dress It was the best sex that she ever had - Belle & Sebastian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mindmonkey1 at xxx.com Sun Jun 18 16:13:55 2000 From: mindmonkey1 at xxx.com (Matthew Broome) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 08:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: intro Message-ID: <5926793.961341235698.JavaMail.imail@almond.excite.com> Dear All, Just left the 'nursery' and have dutifully read the FAQs and admired all the beautiful photos of everyone. Having a boring hot w/e in London indoors over a computer working when I should be outside with a glass of Chablis and some quail's eggs watching the world go by. Hey ho. I guess I can't claim to be a veteran B+S fan - bought 'Tigermilk' just over a year ago when I first moved down to London. Reminded me of when I first heard 'The Smiths' as a teenager and 'Liberation' by the Divine Comedy when a young undergraduate. A thing of beauty. Getting too prosaic - look forward to hearing from you all and getting to know you. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Sun Jun 18 17:28:20 2000 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:28:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Yesterday Was Dramatic - Today Is Ok Message-ID: <000001bfd948$7eccffe0$ac51063e@default> Hi Gauche Ones, Mr Miller, I'd like to second that emotion. The list without Trousers is just pants. I also guess that Friday's was the last Sinicentric event down the Pocaff: an event tinged with sadness but not lacking comic moments. I hope that the everso slightly squiffy Stevie T made it home OK. Nick (BTW, terrific make-up job in those LineOne ads) said: "David was funny with his like/don't like ratios for all the albums. I can't imagine not liking that many songs of my favourite band. I like 8/11 songs on the new one but to me that's a pretty poor return. I don't like having to sit tight and take the clunks or use the skip button." Liking even 60% of an album is pretty good for me nowadays. In the last couple of years the only records I can remember liking ALL of are Va Va Voom & The Great Eastern. Some of my favourite artists have whole decades during which they only released a few good songs. There's only one good one on the new Neil Young, for example. Can't take the clunkers? Just tape the ones you DO like. I still reckon Belle and Sebastian are doing fine - my record collection contains very few second albums, let alone third or fourth ones. I too will never be able to watch EastEnders in the same light again: how far in advance do they record it? Just whose territorial pissings is Wellard sniffing in that little park in the middle of Albert Square? Rrrespect to DJ Fatslug & the Basingstoke massive for the Splatney Paws track. Can we have a Red Catsuit Mix next, please? I hope next week is as good as the last: we got to see Cinerama, Mary Lorson & The (augmented) Pines play good gigs. Nice. Farewell, Farewell, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From JENOWL22 at xxx.com Sun Jun 18 21:25:15 2000 From: JENOWL22 at xxx.com (JENOWL22 at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:25:15 EDT Subject: Sinister: Noddy, yeh! Message-ID: Hewwo, It feels like yonks since I posted to sinister (though it hasn't really been and I say that at the start of nearly every post). I made myself a Noddy tee-shirt with transfer paper and my brothers printer. It reads "Noddy sez: Go on postman pat, make my day". and it has a picture of noddy standing at a postbox. I like Noddy, I think I will marry him. I tried to get a noddy pencil case for school, but I couldn't so I got a postman pat and jess the cat one, which is red and blue and very nice. And it's really grate, because no matter how many penises the hard kids draw on it, it still wipes clean. I'm working on the school show but I'm doing backstage work, because no one I liked was in the chorus, and I can't dance anyways. But it means I have to run errands with heavy stuff, mother all the chorus girls, do make up and take abuse from all the other backstage hands, who are boys and think I shouldn't be doing it. But I get out of class and I don't have to wear my uniform. My friend got groped by a couple of the hard kids and she wanted to get even, but she didn't want it to be traced back to her, so she told the head that they were bugging me instead. So everyone sort of thinks that I'm a grass now, which isn't fun. I watched Four Weddings and a Funeral, and I love Hugh Grant. He is so cute and foppish. (Foppish is such a grate word). My fringe is getting too long. I really really like the Chalet Lines. But I like Women's Realm, The Model and There's Too Much Wuv as well. I'm not that keen on Waiting for the Moon to Rise, but everyone else seems to be. Whenever I get a new CD I have a thing about learning it by heart (is this normal?), but on most CD's there's always this one song that refuses to stick in my mind, and so I just keep on skipping it, like if I listen to it I'll feel guilty because I don't know it by heart, and it ends up sort of giving my a headache, and Waiting for the Moon to Rise is sort of that song. I kinda found Mayfly and Saymour Stein a bit like that, only I have the first three albums on tape (because I didn't get a CD player till I was 14), so it's not as easy to avoid songs when you can't skip them just like that. I kind of felt bad about not getting Fishyflap on tape because all the other B&S tapes are really cool, except Tigermilk. IYFS is red and shiny and Twattybus is green and plasticy looking like a nursery rhyme tape I used to have when I was little. Tigermilk was bluack and a bit boring. Did anyone get the new album on tape and can tell me what the tape looks like, because that used to be half the fun of buying a b&S album for me. (Music? Pah!) I'm going to go now. Hugs, Jen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Mon Jun 19 07:37:05 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:37:05 +1200 Subject: Sinister: The Associates "Sulk" Message-ID: <003001bfd9b9$778efd20$556137d2@computer> ***PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT*** On the basis that it will no doubt be woefully underpromoted when it is released, I though I'd tell the list about the reissue of Associates' landmark album, "Sulk" on Monday 19th June. (Probably "today", depending on when you read this) More astute members of the list will recognise the name Alan Rankine as being instrumental in the early rise of Belle & Sebastian's career, and his involvement in the Stow music course. Alan was also, in the early 80's, the musical genuis behind post-punk band Associates first two albums. Along with fellow Scot Billy Mackenzie (vocals.lyrics), they made one of the most incredible albums ever made. Belle & Sebastian have, in the past, covered "Partyfearstwo" when playing live, which was the lead single off the album. Also, "William It Was Really Nothing" by The Smiths, is widely regarded as being about Billy, who Morriseey was quite taken with. Anyway, to give you an idea about the album I'll quote from the Melody Maker's Paul Lester, in his liner notes from "The Radio One Sessions" album. They describe the music more eloquently than I could: "Associates were described by one magazine as "the most modern ban of the 80s", and with good reason. Their astonishing music had no basis in the grubby old roots of rock'n'roll, soaring high above th grit and bluster of Chuck Berry or the blues. No, Associates drew on pre-rock traditions and non-rock genres to create a startlingly different kind of noise, one that people with superattuned ears will still be trying to make sense of in the year 2004. Imagine the soundtrack to your wildest dreams, postpunk, krautrock, the blue mood ballads of Frank Sinartra, the caberet historonics of pre-war Germany, Kraftwerk's electronic travelogues, the epic sweep of John Barry's film themes, the motorik torch songs of Bowie's Berlin Trilogy, the digital romance of Giorgio Moroder/ Donna Summer ... Associates too all these and raised them several powers .... Nothing, however, could have prepared us for 'Sulk', Associates second LP. The exquisite turquoises and mauves of the sleeve offered some idea of the impossibly lush and lavish, exotic and extravagant new sound Mackenzie and Rankine, together with producer Mike Hedges, achieved on this shatteringly innovative record. 'Sulk' is arguably the least influenced album of all time - it has few, if any precedents - and one of the least influential: nobody, save prince on 'If I was Your Girlfriend' or Bjork on 'Venus as a Boy', has been able to rival its emotionally overwrought (compliment) 'out of this world' music." Well, I hope that will rouse the interest of at least one of you. I can't say this is the sort of music that you will automaticly like if you like B&S - in all honesty it's pretty hard to get a handle on, and I HATED it the first time I heard it. But it's worth the effort, and if anyone is interested in Scottish poost-punk pop, then 'Sulk' is an album you MUST own. Goodnight kids, Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elenita99 at xxx.com Mon Jun 19 11:14:25 2000 From: elenita99 at xxx.com (elenita99) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:14:25 CEST Subject: Sinister: London Picnic....on the 15th Message-ID: <20000619091425.97972.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello London listees (and the others if you read this) OK, OK, I hope you didn't planed already all your holidays around the picnic because after some emails, chats and concertations it appears that the 15th of July would be a much more convenient date. Why? I have to say for my defense that this change is not depending on my personal will, but...that some visitors coming from Greece and Scotland will join us, and as they are coming from far away to meet some Sinister kids it seems fair enough to make it convenient for them... I will of course be pleased to answer any insulting email about my organisation manners, or even to defy you on a cricket game during the picnic, so I will prove that continentals too can play cricket. Have a good day, see you on the 15th! Love Elena ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From WarranderJ at xxx.uk Mon Jun 19 10:20:31 2000 From: WarranderJ at xxx.uk (Warrander John - FML) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:20:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Stand By Your Man Message-ID: <528B4DF333E2D311A784000629396D06014DDE@MASSLAB1> Hello Friends, I'm a bit shocked that any list of great song writers with the initials SM failed to mention my hero Stephen McRobbie. When you talk about GREAT songwriters though it has to be married couples every time really. Greenwich & Barry, Goffin & King, Ike & Tina Turner, Nancy & Lee, Leiber & Stroller, Chip & Evie, Bacharach & David.....the list is endless. The Pastels have obviously cottoned on to this and the immanent nuptials of Stephen and Katrina and Aggi and the other one bodes well for the next LP. Stuart and Isobel should get married really. I wonder if Isobel would call herself Murdoch or Campbell-Murdoch or just stick with Campbell? There are so many things you just can't take for granted in the 21st century. Like England getting knocked-out by the Germans. I'm sure I was meant to be writing a gloating mail this morning? See what happens when you join the Euro. I watched Walkabout right to the end last night. Not cos Jenny Agutter spends most of the film in the buff - which is what my favourite magazine TV Quick said - but because I wanted to know where it was all filmed. According to the closing titles it was filmed entirely on location in Australia. So that was helpful. I nearly had to chin an old woman in a Little Chef at the weekend too. She was smoking in the no smoking area and I've got a foul temper. Fortunately for her she moved to the smoking area. It's been quite an exciting weekend all-in-all though. I'm not sorry by the way, Love...John +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hewits at xxx.uk Mon Jun 19 11:36:55 2000 From: hewits at xxx.uk (stephen hewitt) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:36:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Thousands Call To Save 'Unwanted' Stray Sadie Message-ID: <9188A3453EEED111BD7300805FEDEB690125A329@park_ex> ...was the headline on Saturday's Gloucestershire Echo and referred not to everyone's favourite 82 year old maiden aunt but to a dog. But it made me smile so i thought i'd share :) WEIRD DREAM OF THE WEEK OK so i'm looking at all the cds my mother has bought for a party and some of them are quite hip (well, hip for my mum anyway), but one of them is a REMIX of the FLORAL DANCE by terry wogan and then Tezza himself turns up and starts singing it and it's like a hard techno version but i can't really hear it, and tezza is smiling and i'm sure there was a remix done by pulp on the cd too, then i woke up... GLASTONBURY is only two days away and i'm DEADDEADDEAD excited although i am slightly wary that we'll all die of sunstroke rather than trench foot. Anyone who is coming but who isn't on siniglasto ( http://www.egroups.com/group/siniglasto which now boasts a whole dozen members) there is to be a fantastic Sinister Glasto meet-up (no, really there is). It is FRIDAY afternoon about 4.30pm at the MEDICAL CENTRE near the FARMHOUSE. Please bring an inflatable object of your choice. PICNICS It's good to see summer picnics proliferating across the country and indeed the globe. I will endeavour to get to Primrose Hill, have to see how the finances are holding up. Unfortunately my sister is coming to see me the weekend of the Sheffield one cos it would have been nice to go to that one and meet midlandy type people. Oh POO, the London one's going to be the 15th as well now POO POO POO, curse the greco-scottish alliance :) Wonder if my sister fancies a daytrip to London..... *steve works on fiendish plan GRATE BIG TENT Radioheed are using a GRATE BIG TENT to do their gigs in this summer. Maybe a certain other band could borrow it after they've finished with it, tidy it up a bit, cut it in half and use it for their gigs, on the off chance that they actually get round to BLIMMING WELL DOING SOME. On the bright side, hopefully they won't announce the dates until i've got my redundancy money, then i can do silly things like go to Nude York to see them. OXFORD Speaking of redundancy, plans move ever forward for a move to Oxford, to the point where I've actually got some application forms to fill in for jobs in Oxford and have some numbers to ring up for some more, WOW, we might get there for christmas yet... HEADINGS seemed the most appropriate way to say "bye, trous" Has anyone else notice Jo Brooker in goal for Holland? (I think it was holland anyway, all these football matches are blurring into one now, all I seemed to do last week was watch football and this life) Applying the factor 40 xoxo CarsmileSteve +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From n.barr at xxx.uk Mon Jun 19 14:49:38 2000 From: n.barr at xxx.uk (Niall Barr) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:49:38 +0100 Subject: Sinister: V-Twin stuff In-Reply-To: <200006161656.RAA26501@missprint.org> Message-ID: <200006191349.OAA24561@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> Hi, The V-Twin gig in Paris that Claire mentioned is on the 21st - the band have all had to go through a security check to make sure they're not really terrorists or something because Jaques Chirac is going to be there. The concert is also going to be on TV (though V- Twin's part may end up on the cutting room floor) - if they do get shown and anyone over there can video it for me I would be most grateful. The only thing I could find out about it on the web is this.. "Hôtel Matignon 19h00 - fin : 23h30 - genres musicaux multiples Concert dans les jardins de Matignon : Programmation exceptionnelle avec l’Orchestre de Paris qui interprétera le 4ème mouvement de la IXème Symphonie de Beethoven sous la direction de Philippe Aïche. A quelques jours de la Présidence française de l’Union Européenne, et dans le cadre des partenariats européens de la Fête de la Musique, l’Ode à la Joie ouvrira également la soirée du 21 juin, dans différentes versions, à Athènes, Barcelone, Berlin, Bruxelles, Budapest, Istanbul, Liverpool, Naples et Rome, entre 19h et 20h. Carte blanche est ensuite donnée aux Négresses Vertes qui accueilleront des artistes invités européens, V-Twin (Ecosse), Mascarimiri (Italie) et le Trio Amestoy de Toulouse..(Ouvert au public. Les cartons d'invitation seront disponibles à partir du samedi 17 juin à la loge de Matignon, 57 rue de Varenne)." Their next single 'Delinquency' is due out sometime in August, and I think it's their best yet - a lot funkier than the last one, with a good dance vibe to it. There's also a mini album probably going to be released soon after that which will contain just about they've recorded so far. Niall. __________________________________________________ Niall Barr, WebMaster, Glasgow Dental School http://intranet.dental.gla.ac.uk/Niall/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fehbptrain4 at xxx.mil Mon Jun 19 14:58:37 2000 From: fehbptrain4 at xxx.mil (FEHBP Training Account 4) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:58:37 -0400 Subject: Sinister: It's an emergency theres no more wait and see.... Message-ID: <6629EF7B52C2D3118C33006008CF35918A9688@dddc023.ha.osd.mil> Fellow list-ees, I find my self feeling utterly helpless. I could really use some advise, or others opinions. I have a friend who is 28 he is about 6 years older than me. >From what I can see I think he is going to take his life soon. He has already started to give away all of his possessions, including his music collection this is horribly disturbing. I don't know what to do. I don't believe that any one should have control over others lives I believe that it should be any ones right to off them selves if they so decide to. But I can't sit back and remain passive. I guess I am being selfish. I don't want to loose his friendship. But I'm not related to him, I can't have him committed-and I don't think it would keep him from killing himself when he was released. I can try to call his family-but I know his relationship with them is not to great-and I have never met them. Then there is his ex girlfriend but I have never met her, It would be awkward and im not sure it would help. what im most afraid of is my trying to get him help and him finding out and killing him self sooner. I could really use some advise. I can already see the blood on my hands.... I stayed up with him all night I left around 5am because I had to leave for work at 530am. -because of this I am not going to the sonic youth show tonight. If there is some one in the wash, Arlington, falls church area who wants a ticket and has transportation to skyline mall mail me and you can have it. I am disappointed that I will miss Kim and thurston but some things are more important. please any advise would be appreciated. im sorry to post just to ask for some thing. Thank you, Alix. "You know .... the worst sin in the world is disloyalty. You wouldn't lie to me... would you, Little Wooden Boy?"(TICK) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From JBaze at xxx.com Mon Jun 19 15:37:48 2000 From: JBaze at xxx.com (Josh Baze) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:37:48 -0500 Subject: Sinister: attn: NYC area sinisterees Message-ID: if ya ain't from the big apple, move on... for those of you left, I will be heading to nyc from kansas city in early July to see Gene at the Mercury Lounge. i would sincerely appreciate any advice on where to stay (cheap), where to go, what galleries/museums are good, where to eat, and what the names and locations of the best record shops (imports/bootlegs galore) are. i don't know the city very well at all, and your first-hand advice would be wonderful. I hope to hear from some of you... sorry for the self indulgence. you may continue. Josh +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CountingStars at xxx.net Mon Jun 19 16:09:18 2000 From: CountingStars at xxx.net (Painting With Light) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:09:18 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: Sinister: The Music's winding down Message-ID: <20000619150918.1216.qmail@fsmail.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From lofemo at xxx.com Mon Jun 19 17:24:22 2000 From: lofemo at xxx.com (kevin-m) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: attn: Melbourne, sinisterees Message-ID: <20000619162422.9746.qmail@web1003.mail.yahoo.com> hello, sorry for mailing the whole list... i'm heading to melbourne, au (from toronto canada), for july 4th and i'll be there until november. if anyone could direct me to local club night type things for uk soul/brit music, i would appreciate it very much. please direct any reply email to lofemo at hotmail.com thanks a million, kevin. www.lofemo.tripod.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clb112 at xxx.uk Mon Jun 19 18:00:57 2000 From: clb112 at xxx.uk (clb112) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:00:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Hot Message-ID: <394E51C9.939F97EF@york.ac.uk> "And I bet You really sweat" (Anyone know which song ???!!!) More like bodily dribbling than sweating (people not from here - we're having a heatwave). Has anyone got any easy guitar tabs for some B&S songs ? The only one I can play is "Rollercoaster Ride". Well, I can do D-G-D-G-A-G-A-G-Bflat-G over and over and over... An orange has just squirted all over my shirt. A bit ago I think someone said that "Electronic Renaissance" is crap, and it came at the bottom of the poll. I love it. Phunkadelic. "And London from above at night will look like a million lit candles, And your face will glow red at the sunrise" (That's from the same song). Lots of love (slightly wilted in the heat) Caroline xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Sebstian95 at xxx.com Mon Jun 19 14:35:19 2000 From: Sebstian95 at xxx.com (Sebstian95 at xxx.com) Date: Mon Jun 19 14:35:19 2000 Subject: Sinister: It's an emergency theres no more wait and see.... Message-ID: <200006191834.TAA22872@missprint.org> Hello Sinisterees: Alix wrote: 'Fellow list-ees, I find my self feeling utterly helpless. I could really use some advise, or others opinions. I have a friend who is 28 he is about 6 years older than me. >From what I can see I think he is going to take his life soon. He has already started to give away all of his possessions, including his music collection this is horribly disturbing. I don't know what to do. I don't believe that any one should have control over others lives I believe that it should be any ones right to off them selves if they so decide to. But I can't sit back and remain passive. I guess I am being selfish. I don't want to loose his friendship. But I'm not related to him, I can't have him committed-and I don't think it would keep him from killing himself when he was released. I can try to call his family-but I know his relationship with them is not to great-and I have never met them. Then there is his ex girlfriend but I have never met her, It would be awkward and im not sure it would help. what im most afraid of is my trying to get him help and him finding out and killing him self sooner. I could really use some advise. I can already see the blood on my hands.... I stayed up with him all night I left around 5am because I had to leave for work at 530am. -because of this I am not going to the sonic youth show tonight. If there is some one in the wash, Arlington, falls church area who wants a ticket and has transportation to skyline mall mail me and you can have it. I am disappointed that I will miss Kim and thurston but some things are more important. please any advise would be appreciated. im sorry to post just to ask for some thing. Thank you, Alix.' I am but a "lurker", but I couldn't help respond to this one. I don't think I have much to say on it. I would just like to say that you should do all you can to help him through this problem. It is most likely a phase of some sort of bad things happening to him (these things usually are) and you should try to let him know that everything always gets better. It's the truth. At least in my experience. If he doesn't listen, never blame yourself, as hard as that will seem. Just try to help him, and know you did all you could for a friend you loved and cared for. About the new album: It took more time than usual to get into this one, but I have reached the point at where I like all the songs to a certain extent. I love several. It's a really good album, No "strap" or IYFS, but still good. I find it funny that the hardcore BS fans are more critical of them than most of the critics are. Well, this is Lokar signing off for now. -Lokar +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From igh1 at xxx.uk Mon Jun 19 19:39:55 2000 From: igh1 at xxx.uk (igh1 at xxx.uk) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:39:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Quick, someone give BA this cheese burger so we can drug him and make him fall asleep and then we can carry him onto the plane. Message-ID: Well hello you leetle sinister lovelies, Ah, it has been a long, long time since last did I post to the list, but I have something to say now, so I feel I can. FISHYCLAP, is, in my opinion, a good deal better than twattybus because the so- called band democracy is much more effective. Apart from the third song (i've forgotten the name of the blasted thing), which I think is an an absolute stinker of a belles song, and should have swapped places with the lovely Winter Wooksie. Stevie's song writing seems to be getting better and better, and though I do like Family Tree I agree with whoever it was who said that it sounded like a Gentle Waves song. But enough of this, there's been a zillion reviews already, and as this is the zillionth and first I'll make it brief. When I read Mad Dog's comments about IFYS the other day, and I smiled a smug little smile all to myself because I have often thought this very thing myself. The sound quality on Tigermilk (the only other album comparable with Sinister due to cost and fame and timescale other such things) is much better - there's something about the music on IFYS which gives me a bit of a headache (I love it and everything, but the production is a bit funny). The songs on Tigermilk are also produced in a far more understated way (I'm guessing due to time restraint and cost as well as the fact that the boy Doogan wasn't involved), which leads me to conclude that two possibilities are affecting B&S records nowadays: Tony Doogan or the pressure on Stu to produce a classic (after all, the fans are a wee bit demanding). I've always thought Tony Doogan was a good producer, but thinking back a lot of his records do have that overproduced, multi-limbed orchestra feel (obviously not the first Hefner album, though, cos I think that's brilliant, although their record company apparently was none-too-impressed). B&S have a cellist and violinist and I believe that the others can also play instruments, so why have an orchestra on record, especially when Isobel is a brilliant cellist (and I won't hear a word against her, so naaaaah to all members of the "We hate the lovely and talented Isobel" fanclub. In fact, double naaaaah :). I've got a new job, but I'm not allowed to tell people what it is cos it involves money, so you'll just have to guess. But I can tell you that I'm not a gigolo. I did have a lot more to say, but I've forgotten it all now so I'll go but I might be back in a while with my other thoughts (though prolly not cos they don't usually make much sense, but hey . . .) Goodbye one and all, Ian. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lofemo at xxx.com Mon Jun 19 20:56:25 2000 From: lofemo at xxx.com (kevin-m) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Hot Message-ID: <20000619195625.13855.qmail@web1002.mail.yahoo.com> > Has anyone got any easy guitar tabs for some B&S > songs ? hello. i actually just setup a new section on my web page today... the tab for all the songs from iyfs and tbwtas... http://www.members.tripod.com/lofemo/tab/bstab.htm have fun, xo, kevin. www.members.tripod.com/lofemo | lofemo at hotmail.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dewar at xxx.uk Mon Jun 19 22:47:24 2000 From: dewar at xxx.uk (Dewar) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:47:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Wheat, Korn and Oates Message-ID: <005401bfda37$f7ba4760$bb38883e@oemcomputer> Hi folks, Talking about hot stuff (or at least one person was), I was at Elliott Smith at the Glasgow Garage last night, and by jove i must say it was one of the hottest concerts i have been to. Temperature-wise that is. I even had to remove my mittens! And Elliott still didn't take his damn hat off! Music-wise very good as well. I know more Elliott Smith songs than I realise. Was anybody else there? I'm sorry I missed you if you were... Caroline - i am glad to see that somebody else recognises Electronic Renaissance as the splendid song that it is - I see it attitude-wise as one of the most important songs along with The State I am In. Funnily enough I often listen to it before I go out on a Saturday nite. I think it is strange that Get Me Away.. was thought of so highly - maybe I should really listen to it again. Actually I really like Beyond the Sunrise. I am a trad country fan though. Should I really be on this list? I should end here... Oh yeah, go and see Wheat at the 13th note or nearest venue!! Rafe! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Tue Jun 20 00:15:43 2000 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:15:43 EDT Subject: Sinister: CMJ's "Letter to B&S" Message-ID: <8.693408f.2680039f@aol.com> I opened up the July edition of CMJ Music Monthly, with the Deftones on the cover, and found a pretty funny little article on page 13 entitled... Ring My Belle: An Open Letter to Belle and Sebastian You may be known for lilting tunes about S&M and Bible Studies (and your moping skills rival the Cure at Christmas), but Stuart, Isobel, you have to admit it: Fascinating interviews aren't your forte, and you don't grant terribly many. Still, your new album Fold Your Hands Child You Walk Like a Peasant (Matador) is filled with plenty of intrigue, sexual and otherwise. So if you're out there, we have a few questions for you. 1) Which members of the band have slept with which other members - or perhaps it would be easier to ask which members haven't slept with each other? Which members of the band want to sleep with others, but haven't? Is this album your "Rumours"? 2) Your band has inspired more original poetry and fiction that any band since, maybe, The Smiths. What do you do to live down the shame? 3) For that matter, your band has been compared to The Smiths an awful lot. Could you list the top five reasons why Belle & Sebastian is not, in fact, The Smiths? 4) At least two songs on Fold Your Hands Child - "The Wrong Girl" and "The Chalet Lines" - allude to twisted sexual scenarios at the Bowlie Weekender, the festival you headlined last year at a seaside resort in the South of England. How much of the actual twisted sex that went on there were you privy to? 5) Is the Lisa who "learned alot from putting on a blindfold when she knew she had been bad" in "The Model" the same Lisa from "Like Dylan In the Movies" on If You're Feeling Sinister? What's she been up to in the meantime? Is she cute? Does she like music journalists? 6) How exactly does a peasant walk? ------------------------------------- A little smug, but still pretty funny. CMJ has never been able to suss out whether they love or loathe the band, evidenced by the fact that their review of the new album (in the same issue) makes no fucking sense in the least. I'd type that up too, but its not even coherent. Seriously though, CMJ has turned very mainstream in a very short time, with former cover stars Guided by Voices, Yo La Tengo, the Lemonheads and Sonic Youth being very quickly replaced with issues blaring the likes of Kid Rock, Rage Against the Machine, Buckcherry, Marilyn Manson and, most disgustingly, Limp Bizkit. It still has its indie segments, but there's a huge disaparity between the College Playlist bands in the back of the mag and the actual stars who grace its front (not one of its last 6 cover stars has even cracked its own fucking list, the CMJ Top 75). If you're reading this Mick, responses to the above are to be directed to Douglas Wolk at monthly at cmj.com To celebrate my first weekend off in fucking forever, the NASCAR race was rained out and I got a three-day migraine. You gotta love livin' baby Steve C. "That the public might become so discouraged that it would abandon the War impressed McClellan not at all. With him the only the question was when the professionals would be ready to start the game." *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* "Which Paul?" "BLAH!" visit http://callowkids.tripod.com or your crush will hate you forever Call WRNR 103.1 at (410) 269-1031 and request Callow's "Lessons in Shut-eye" or you will have bad luck...forever or something. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Sebstian95 at xxx.com Tue Jun 20 04:28:31 2000 From: Sebstian95 at xxx.com (Sebstian95 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:28:31 EDT Subject: Sinister: Electronic... Message-ID: <67.5aacc7f.26803edf@aol.com> Hello again: I would like to put my two cents in about Electronic Renaissance (since everybody else has). I, personally, love that song. I am a huge New Order/Pet Shop Boys/Kraftwerk (and proud of it) fan, and I think that B+S have made a first-rate techno song. I love the muffled quality of Stuart's voice and that oh-so 80's sounding drum beat. The fuzz quality is cool too. The only song on Tigermilk I can do without is "You're just a baby". It's okay, but nowhere near the rest of the album. I think Stuart should publish a book of his short stories. I love the story in Tigermilk, it's strangely sweet and funny. But I guess so is everything Belle and Sebastian. Tata -Lokar +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vilkas at xxx.com Tue Jun 20 05:50:36 2000 From: vilkas at xxx.com (Vilkas D'Angelo-Horvath) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:50:36 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Honest Lou's Pest Control Message-ID: <200006200444.AAA12621@blount.mail.mindspring.net> GUESS WHAT? I LIKE BELLE AND SEBASTIAN.(obvious header) Just throwing out praise for Electronic Renaissance cos it's one of my fave songs; B&S or not. So there. Plus while I'm being like that, TBWTASSLELOAFER is also in the same category but for albums. One of my faves whether B&S or not. I like the variety of songs the same way I like the 64 crayon box beter than the 8 crayon box; more colours more pretty stuff. And really, the yellow looks pretty next to the red, but looks super pretty between the red and the yellow-orange. Listened to FYHCYWALMARTISSATANKLAPDANCE all the way from Richmond VA to Philadelphia PA on repeat. I didn't realize it until I saw the sign that said welcome to Pennsylvania and I thought, hmmm same record as Welcome to maryland. 500 miles driven in one weekend. All I have to say, is it must be listened to on a rental car stereo (meaning new and good), with the volume turned way up way up past 11, going 80mph. As it is a rental car, it is new and thus soundproof, no engine noises, no whooshing of other cars, perfect climate control. Any sounds that are low in the mix, become like wispy clouds floating along with the puffy cloud sounds of the main sounds. Um, sorry 'bout these analogies, I only seem to throw out posts when I'm tired. They make perfect sense to me, if they do to you then that's way cool. I like all the songs on the new record. OK? But I occaisionally skip over the War one as I am waaaay squeamish. Yes, that squeamish. Plus the Chalet Lines, cos it's way too close to reality, not me thank god-close friends; the words really do come out like that. For rape and for in my experience, when you can't beleive what's happening. BTW, if there are any Cure fans here in the land of Sinister, let me tell you, the Philly show and the Baltimore shows rocked. If you're from the UK, read my next post, if you please. It may not come until tomorrow. It's not that big, but you should read it. Because. :). Love and Abundances of Citrus Fruits, Vilkas ---------- >From: Sebstian95 at xxx.com >To: sinister at missprint.org >Subject: Sinister: Electronic... >Date: Mon, Jun 19, 2000, 11:28 PM > >Hello again: > >I would like to put my two cents in about Electronic Renaissance (since >everybody else has). I, personally, love that song. I am a huge New >Order/Pet Shop Boys/Kraftwerk (and proud of it) fan, and I think that B+S >have made a first-rate techno song. I love the muffled quality of Stuart's >voice and that oh-so 80's sounding drum beat. The fuzz quality is cool too. >The only song on Tigermilk I can do without is "You're just a baby". It's >okay, but nowhere near the rest of the album. > >I think Stuart should publish a book of his short stories. I love the story >in Tigermilk, it's strangely sweet and funny. But I guess so is everything >Belle and Sebastian. > > >Tata >-Lokar >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ > +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ > +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ > +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From L.Kerr at xxx.uk Tue Jun 20 13:22:27 2000 From: L.Kerr at xxx.uk (Linda Kerr) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:22:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: BBC Review of FYHCYWLAP Message-ID: <200006201222.NAA22921@punt1.hw.ac.uk> Hi I don't know if anyone has sent this to the list yet - I did a search on the archives. It is from the BBC site. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/new_music_release s/newsid_774000/774356.stm It does get some things wrong - like blaming Sarah for Beyond the Sunrise, and some convoluted theory about Bonnie and Clyde - but I do like CD reviews which use the phrase "an absolute peach". There should be more of them. Linda x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From geoffpritchard at xxx.com Tue Jun 20 16:03:47 2000 From: geoffpritchard at xxx.com (Geoff) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:03:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I get good advise from the advertising world Message-ID: <002f01bfdac8$ce6e1b20$845b893e@oemcomputer> This is my first post so I am sorry if I start it with "This is my first post...etc". "I spent the summer wasting The time was passed so easily But if the summer's wasted How come that I could feel so free." Because of these four lines, I have spent the last year on the dole. They gave me a reason. I nearly got a job during the winter, but now it's already the summer again. It's not that I lack ambition: my two aims in life are to see B&S and Bob Dylan live. Hopefully I'll have realised these dreams by the end of the year, then I really will lack ambition. If anyone needs someone with a maths degree and a healthy obsession with B&S to work for them, London area, let me know. I think the BBC should make a programme called 'B&S Club 7'. It could follow the band's adventures around the beach resorts of Glasgow. Alan Hansen could be their irritable Band Manager. I moved down to London last week, so the new album will always remind me of moving south. I'm gonna make a B&S compilation tape and ride all day on the tubes whilst listening to it. I gave my last tape to my friend to get him to like them. I think it's working. Me and my friends were looking at one of those crappy 'big man' lad magazines at the weekend, and one of the 'sexy' women featured in it said "I was playing in the sand and found a beautiful necklace, but my mom told me it was a sausage". Call the cops. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin at xxx.uk Tue Jun 20 16:56:14 2000 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin Robinson) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:56:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Repitition, electricians, and Mr Tickle's exceedingly long arms Message-ID: <9sRMFFAeQ5T5EwRF@send.demon.co.uk> Dear boys and girls, Hope you're all well, even that evil chimp character I keep hearing about. Cheeky, cheeky monkey. Actually I saw that Jo Beezley in my local sandwich shop the other day, my my he nearly bought the whole shop up he did. And he used the term crusty bread which is a common expression so I looked down on him as only insecure members of the middle classes can. Caught between the trappings and envy of wealth whilst looking over over shoulder as the working man snaps at their heels. What am I on about? It must be the hot weather, or maybe I'm just an arse... Anyway, for all those London people with bugger all to do on Friday night there is an online flyer up now for the little shindig going down at the Betsey Trottwood at: http://www.premonition.co.uk/mell I won't repeat myself anymore, but there's bands from the likes of Austin, Texas USA, Glasgow, Scotland, and North London, England. So if they can make it so can you. Oh and I know it was a badly kept secret anyway but the special guests are indeed the wonderful Camera Obscura so get yourself down there for tip top non-stop pop. Or something. And apparently they'll even be complimentary digestive biscuits for the early birds, which will make a pleasant change from early worms won't it? Anyway, I had a lovely penguiny birthday yesterday, thanks for asking, watching the wonderful Tompaulin. I played table football, got exceedingly drunk and bought a Baxendale fanzine. I think the last two things could well be related. Anyway I intended to be as brief as a thong so I'm off to see a man about a jiffy bag. Te ra, Martin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Tue Jun 20 18:05:08 2000 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:05:08 PDT Subject: Sinister: If there's something inside that you want to say Message-ID: <20000620170508.59243.qmail@hotmail.com> My Fuzzy Peaches, Fold Your Arms Across Your Chest Girl,When You Run Down The Stairs Have you all been done to death with reviews for the album? Well here's another one! My own! Nahhh.I won't go into great detail.I find a lot of these reviews from big magazines and newspapers really funny, you lot have been keeping secrets from me: I didn't realise you met up in coffee shops to analyze the Struan's lyrics...I'm always the last to know.I don't think The Chalet Lines is a cliche at all.Those horrible made-for-tv specials with Jennie Garth as the cheerleader are cliche,but I find Stuart's tone very very true...my favourite song definitley is There's Too Much Love,when the piano goes da da da..it gives me funny images of Stuart dancing as well,kind of waving his arms down by his side,and sliding his legs out one in front of the other,I hope they do a video of this! There's always one song on a Belle and Sebastian record,that for some reason or other,takes control of mind and makes me do a little dance to special part of it,its like I have no control,over how I move,but when I hear the special part,I HAVE TO DO THE MOVEMENT.I have it in Judy & The Dream Of Horses,really bad,and now its this silly leg/arm slide for There's Too Much Love. I always wonder why they don't have a video of Expectations,how perfect is the material...it's all right there,it could be great! Songs & Lyrics: I was enjoying the discussion a little while ago about what part hits people first..if they listen to the music as a whole,or just let the music in itself hit them first.Some of Stuart's songs,the lyrics could be changed into something else,but certain ones,like Expectations,just seems MADE for the music that surrounds it,it just...flows,you know? and I couldn't ever imagine anything else around it.I always have favourite little nibbles of the songs that I like best such as: 'A Spooky witch in a sexthy dress' and,well,I can't think of others right now,but there are loads.But on the earlier albums,the lyrics seem to just come naturally into Struan's head,like they are just made for that particular musical arrangement,and thats how I like it best,instead of really focused lyrics that try and knock you over with sadness,or whatever,I like the ones with the unintentional sadness in them. Watch now,there will be an interview with Stuart saying 'Yeah,I wasn't happy with the lyrics on the first albums because they were so concentrated,where as with the new album,it's more natural and carefree' and then I will look like a big idiot.I don't know how to describe these type of things..Sound & Scope...Sound and Scope..yes that's it. I watched the Legal Man video (Yes!Only a few weeks behind everyone else!) Well,I think I did,at least.It was a bit hard to make out.Same with the Wrong Girl video..the most I got from it was I think Stevie on the ground,getting a punk beating from bunch of boys.Ha ha ha.Oh,and Canadian Listees,MuchMusic was giving away B&S prize packs,but you had to be a Much AXS member to win them,and I'm not,so that sucked.Stuart and his Max is very sexy indeed, leather interior to boot! My heavens,is he trying to do me in on purpose? Although I always imagined him as secretly a Shelby cobra type of man...racing down a scenic highway,scarve wrapped around head,big sunglasses...purrrrrrrfect... What is a monkey butler? I don't get the joke! Oh and a BIG GROUP HUG to those lovely poetry sorts who sorted me out on troachic triamter.I was required to do only one poem,but I got too excited and did too and I received not only a very nice 100 percent on the poems but a lovely loopy red scrawl 'these are excellent' by my english teacher which did not go unnoticed by my silent adoration. Ok,now I'm just rambling.School is out,but in an anti-climax fashion,as my very last exam,I MISSED because I thought it was at 1:00.So I can't bask in the glow that I wanted to bask in.Also,I have to make 1000 dollars in 2 months as my only goal in life is to see YOU ALL on the football field, GIRLS GIRLS GIRLS you'll all be out on the field this picnic coming up,now,won't you! I agree, no Trousers is pants indeed. :( Quick- we need the old list crush system back again where it was all based on lust & Trousers was king,then he'll come back. kisses, Genevieve p.s Stuart's girl Lisa is in so many songs now..I want Judy back in some songs! She was always my favourite..Lazy Jane too. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ISawUfall at xxx.com Tue Jun 20 19:59:41 2000 From: ISawUfall at xxx.com (ISawUfall at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:59:41 EDT Subject: Sinister: SANTA MARIA? CENTRAL/ SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA SINISTEREES Message-ID: <4e.72aef86.2681191d@aol.com> just wanted to see if anyone on this list is from Santa Barbara, Santa Maria or nearby... bored goat, still i skip dave! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From steve at xxx.uk Tue Jun 20 20:07:22 2000 From: steve at xxx.uk (Steve Genge) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:07:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Bags to the lot of you!! References: <20000620170508.59243.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <010501bfdaea$ed29b840$8a987ed4@wphnvffu> Well quite a few of you, if you want them...... For reasons we won't go into I've come into possession of over a hundred 12" Belle & Sebastian plastic bags featuring on one side the Legal Man cover & on the other the Fold Your Hands cover so needless to say very nice they look to. So deciding that since they weren't bootleg CDR copies of B&S live shows I wouldn't put them on ebay but offer them to you lovely Sinister people. Want one? Well here's how: If you're in the UK send me an A4 size SAE (27p) to me at: 124 Kenwood Road, Portchester, Fareham, Hampshire PO16 9LU If you're in Europe do likewise but send me 2 x IRCs If you're in the US then send $2 to my lovely missus at: Amanda Bergman, 110 East 14th Street, Apt 1008A, New York NY 10003 She hasn't got the bags so they will have to be sent by me hence the price sorry! If you'd like Legal Man or Fold Your Hands posters get in touch also. Finally since we're all here if anyone out there in Sinisterland is in a band, famous or not & might be interested in having one of their tunes included for posterity on a special Red Roses For Me compilation CD also get in touch. steve x "Pain and beauty, our constant bedfellows." Sabine Strohem steve at redrosesforme.co.uk Red Roses For Me Fanzine http://www.redrosesforme.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ab329 at xxx.ca Tue Jun 20 20:49:01 2000 From: ab329 at xxx.ca (Katrina Grentz) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:49:01 -0300 (ADT) Subject: Sinister: a desperate plea & a confused listee Message-ID: I may have been imagining things, or have been deep within the throes of a B&S dream, but I seem to remember someone about this time last year mentioning a party held in the studio during the recording of FYHCYWLAP- ostensibly to provide background noise to be used b/w tracks. I can't imagine it now, how it would have sounded, but I am curious. Something to do with V-twin & a whistle or it may have been just a certain listee to whom I said something inadvertly filthy (apparently I have a talent for that, in real life as well) in #sinister having me on. The lp is quite beautiful, my favorite parts so far being stuart m's pronunciation of "sex" & "stupid" but now I'm just being superficial on 1st listen... And Glasgow listees: If anyone has a copy of the Select article (?) describing the, um, "B&S walking tour" or any general advice for visiting the city... fellow hfx listee Lucas (now in Prague for the wk) has inspired me to spontaneous travel & I will now be in Glasgow on Friday (23 June). I'm actually leaving this evening for the UK so if anyone has *any* information at all (also re: vintage stores, scooter shops;) please mail me privately & I will be able to access it. thank you & hugs to all. kat PS apologies to carolyn & NA tape tree people ...my mail file has been deleted ... there are 3 tapes that never did make it out of my kitchen... I hope you do not think I'm evil, just hopelessly disorganized... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LNino at xxx.com Tue Jun 20 21:56:22 2000 From: LNino at xxx.com (LNino at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:56:22 -0700 Subject: Sinister: a logo Message-ID: <41D61E4C1F62D111A3B300805FE6B65401A99C19@dalex6.dal.na.levi.com> hi everyone With sheer envy I notice people are off to summer vacation. To live that sort of strange time of the year B&S seem to live in permanently. Everything important happens in the summertime. I'm stuck in an office, not for long, since I will be layed off soon. (hopefully!) Does anyone have on file a really cool logo I once saw in the old jeepster site: a cartoon of a boy and a girl with their hands in their pockets (I think it was a t-shirt design) with Belle & Sebastian handwritten around them. The girl with purple pants and the boy with blue pants, eyes closed, hands in pockets.. Or does anyone know where I can get it? I can't access a secure server so I don't know if the secure shop has it still. Ok. on to other things. Time magazine has the first photograph in which mr. murdoch has ever posed for. he looks so nice. He works as a janitor.. that's surreal. There should be a book about him. Not to idealize him, Holden wasn't someone to idealize, yet he was worth the time reading. Something similar should happen with stuart. Has anybody ever felt the urge to run out of their country? I do, specially during election time. I wish so badly that all developing countries were given a chance... two weeks until election here in Mexico and it's gonna be tough. While everyone restes from finals. I'll type a report for my boss. while checkin personal web pages.. I feel old when I think that personal web pages were what the web should have remained. I hate that "it should've remained that way.. "type of thinking.. I have my page, outdated far beyond sin.. it was a special corner. Now it's full of ads thanks to yahoo, pop ups, etc. Unbelievable. Ok. that's enough. being bored shouldn't make me evil. juno. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From showmemagic at xxx.com Tue Jun 20 22:54:45 2000 From: showmemagic at xxx.com (Joey .) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:54:45 GMT Subject: Sinister: Beaches, a silly little story, London picnic... and the perfect friend... Message-ID: <20000620215445.45310.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello everybody :) I hope that you are all doing well, and that this heat is not too much for you. Before you know it it will be autumn again... :)))) I don't want to bore any of you, but I have a little story. And its not a dream, which makes it even cooler!! (I was a little disturbed by the Terry Wogan dream, but, hey ho... Not as disturbed as the owner of it no doubt... ;) One night in April I was on a beach in the middle of the night. It was freezing cold but everything was ok. We were wrapped up all snug in duffle coats and such. Everyone was in a happy frame of mind. I only knew one other person there, although it was not frightening at all, as everyone was pleasant. We all shuffled closer in an attempt to keep warm and sheltered from the cold sea breeze. The fire was smoky but the heat welcome. In front of us was the sea, so black, and reaching out beyond the horizon. To the right was a power station of some description. Then something really good happened. I started talking to a boy. I think we were admiring each others scarfs. We had a race to the water, and talked for a few hours. We stayed up and watched the sun rise. But then it was time to go home. Our rooms had to be packed away. :( I said I would go and see him before I left, but the time I got to were he was staying it was too late. He was gone. There were two people there who i didn't know, and they said he was putting away the keys. He had gone. I was very sad. I wanted to see him again very much. When we were on the beach I had given the boy my address. He said that he would post me some stickers you see. To stick to my things. He had already given me one which is still on my keyring. It is a picture of Sebastian riding a bicycle. Although the boy had gone, all was not not lost. As when I gave him my address, I had also given him my email address. About a month later what turned up in my inbox... Yes!! Hurray! A letter from Oliver. He was back at University and had access to a computer! After a few more letters we spoke to each other on the telephone. He is just how I remembered. :) This is fantastic for me, as I liked him very very much. I have never before had a real friend who really really likes Belle and Sebastian too. It makes me happy to speak to him. He makes me smile. :) He also likes the same silly stuff as me, like Biology. He is kind of what my image of the perfect friend would be, if i had an image. Yes, that would be Oliver. ______________________________________________________ So the point of this email... We are going to meet up soon, Oliver and me. And I think that we will come to the London Picnic, if that is ok with everyone. :) So if you see a small auburn haired boy, and a very very smiley and happy and smiley brown haired girl sitting together, that will be us. Come and say hello. I hope our second meeting will be as perfect as our first, but with you lot for company, I don't suppose it could possibly be anything but. :))) Take Care of yourselves everyone. Good Luck to all those with a horrid Chemistry A Level tomorrow, like my friend Emma. Try to smile even though the weather is too hot. ;) Lots of Love, Jo x ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nereusabe at xxx.com Wed Jun 21 00:58:25 2000 From: nereusabe at xxx.com (M Styer) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Remember my name- You'll be screaming it later, ha ha! Message-ID: <383179887.961545505980.JavaMail.root@web03_mc.mail.com> Hello Everyone- This is my first time posting, though I have been out of the nursery for awhile. I was debating whether or not my mail would have any relevency to B+S. (considering the distance between me and anything truly pertinent). Luckily, I have had my first Belle and Sebastian dream. It almost feels as if I am entering a new era............. Anyway: I am running in a giant topiary garden with large marble pillars. I continue to run with no motive, possibly just for the hell of it. Suddenly I realize "The Rollercoaster Ride" is playing in the back ground. I start to look up and see all the band members sitting on the pillars. They all have their own pillar and playing their own instraments (and they are all really happy looking). I keep running and the scene repeats itself just like in cheesy cartoons where the cat chases the mouse for five minutes and passes the same window 25 time on the same wall. I thought it was great. Oh, and I'm carrying a red umbrella to shield myself from falling leaves (even though there are no real trees around), hmmm....*chin scratch* I wonder Back to Reality Other news: Since my mother refuses to put her credit card number through the internet I am ordering B+S merchandise through the mail. Unfortunatly they don't accept foreign currency. So I call the bank. No deal, and now I'm thinking of switching banks. How dare they! I call currency vendors. Sorry, I don't think so, not a big enough order.Well, grrr!! Finally, I find a run-down pawn shop/coin dealer who has some spare pounds. I had to lie and say I collect coins to get enough and now I'm shipping with a mess of pounds in the envelope, lovely. I have had a wonderful week though. The other day I went to a Ray Charles concert. He was on a spinning stage which was interesting and he had a big band. It was pretty funny to see him playing away at 69 (his age!!). Plus, my father gave me the complete set of Roxy Music cd's (I don't know if this is a blessing or a burden, I have yet to find out). And don't forget about the new album. (sigh)..... Well, thanks for your patience with a young teenage boy such as myself. Cornuts Miles "St. Thomas Aquinas thought that vultures were lesbians, impregnated by the wind. When searching for the facts of life, Papist Intellectuals can be very misleading"- Kenneth Rexroth. Sorry, present reading reference ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From exxxitt at xxx.com Wed Jun 21 01:00:56 2000 From: exxxitt at xxx.com (man one) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:00:56 GMT Subject: No subject Message-ID: <20000621000056.36626.qmail@hotmail.com> sorry about this being completely out of context but its in response to someone's email a while ago: (i didn't have a voice then soooo...) "Not B&S related... but I dreamed that David Byrne got back with the > > > talking heads " for you you other talking heads fans out there, just thought we'd post the >announcement that, in the spirit of the beatles tour 99, four of us are >having a talking heads reunion in january 2001 (that is when we all reunite >after an 8 month hiatus) >we're practicing hard though, we watch the movie twice a week and are >currently choosing roles. tina has been spoken for.. >location: unspecified as yet >as of july 4th we will be taking requests on email..exxxitt at hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From GetUpGirly at xxx.com Wed Jun 21 04:44:58 2000 From: GetUpGirly at xxx.com (GetUpGirly at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:44:58 EDT Subject: Sinister: It lonely vacationing alone Message-ID: I realize that none of you know who I am, probably because this is my second post in seven months. I usually just quietly read my sinister mail. Lately I haven't had anything to say anyway....oh yeah, there was a point to this email. The point being that I wanted to know if there were any listies residing in the fair city of San Francisco, or the area around there. I just recently found out that I will be going there for a few days, and I may even be moving there in the fall. Sorry this is so NOT full of B&S content, but I couldn't resist. So, if anyone has anything to offer me, please email me! Thankyou a lot!! Moira +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lixibell at xxx.com Wed Jun 21 14:25:04 2000 From: lixibell at xxx.com (alix campbell) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:25:04 GMT Subject: Sinister: all of you new kids have got it wrong Message-ID: <20000621132504.54229.qmail@hotmail.com> hello nothing much goes on here. i thought i'd write because i've got a whole lot of emails to write to people and i'm killing lots of birds with one quite small stone. there's lots of people i should have mailed, or spoken to recently, and i havent, and i am sorry, but i am crap. and most people dont care anyway. anyway, some content. the new album is something. i'm sure i have an opinion of it, but i'm a bit bored now of talking about it. i do like it though. what i like better though, are the Clientele. they're marvelous. they are living proof that you should always believe what tim hopkins says. apart from that nonsense about the earth being a globe. he's wrong there. the earth is blatantly chicken shaped. i went abroad recently, to scotland. it was nice and foreign, and i ate all of honey and linda's food. then i kidnapped their cats too, but dont tell them that. tomorow i'm going to glastonabury. this probabaly isnt a good idea, as i suspect it'll be full of stinking hippies and i might turn into one. i may try to avoid this by catching the plague. i dont have wellies, but a bit of trenchfoot never did noone no harm. anyway, my lunchbreak is over. i've eaten a range of nourishing foods (toast) and so must depart. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO SARAH CLARKE WHO IS 8 YEARS OLD TODAY (ps, switch your bloody phone on so i can ring you up you silly moo) love lixi ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samwaltonyeah at xxx.com Wed Jun 21 16:18:30 2000 From: samwaltonyeah at xxx.com (Sam Walton) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:18:30 GMT Subject: Sinister: A request (WARNING: no content) Message-ID: <20000621151830.22196.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi there all, I�m afraid that this post has nothing to do with the lovely B&S, so if you don�t want to see list abuse, please delete now. This post is actually to ask for the list�s help. It�s nothing nearly as serious as recent requests for the list�s help, but only me wanting advice on a particular record. I�m a giant Pulp fan. I mean HUGE, and I always look out for rare Pulp stuff whenever I�m out and about. This afternoon, I was sifting through the back of some 7 inches at my local store, and came across Pulp�s first ever single, from 1981, called My Lighthouse. My god have I been looking for this for a long time. It was on the original record label that Pulp were on for the first few years, Red Rhino, and the packaging was in pretty good condition. The vinyl was in tip-top condition, I listened to it in the shop and everything was in order. When I asked how much it was, the guy said, �Thirty quid mate�, and I fell over. Well that bit�s a lie, but I was a bit surprised to say the least. I said I�d think about it, and get back to him. I figure from the 1400 odd of us there must be a few really knowledgeable record buffs, who know exactly what they�re talking about when it comes to rare vinyl. I wonder if any of them could mail me privately (samwaltonyeah at hotmail.com) and give me some advice. It�s not that I�m skint, I can afford the record, but I don�t want to spend �30 on something that is only worth a fiver. Please help. Thanks very much, Love, Sam.x "and at the end of the day, it goes dark" - Gary Lineker, shortly after England's departure from Euro 2000 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From smiley at xxx.uk Wed Jun 21 16:13:57 2000 From: smiley at xxx.uk (Mr Smiley) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:13:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The next few days I'm free Message-ID: <003701bfdb93$d59bdba0$214a883e@n8j4k7> Dear Sinister, Hahahahahahahahahahahhahahah. Har. Yes, I am a free man. I don't have to do any exams or read any books I don't want to for aaaaaaaaaaaaaaages now. My last exam, just finished it. It was OK. I thought I did really well but I made the mistake of talking to my teacher afterwards and she was like "Oh did you write about such and such" and I was like "erm, yeah", when of course I had done no such thing. Humph. But of course, you probably don't really care so I'll be quiet. Ah, you can tell I've finished studying English now because it took me three attempts to spell quiet (only two this second time :)). I'd like to say that everyone should come to the Sheffield sinister picnic on the 15th July. Even if you live in the Siberian forests, I'm sure you can still make it. No, I don't care if you're in a maximum security prison, you have to come to our picnic. Ahem. I'm supposed to work out when and where to meet. I haven't done it yet, but I promise to all the people who are relying on me that I will in the next few days. When I've recovered from the post-exams celebrations hangover. Oh yes, and I finally got around to watching all the B&S videos on icrunch. My favourite is LLPJ, I think. I say I think because, well you can't see them can you? I tried to download them rather than stream them but I got the old access forbidden thing. I think they should be released on video. Y'know the big black tapes you put in the machine under the telly. It'd be great to see the faces of the people in the videos. Because on icrunch the resolution is so low their faces look like someone from Police, Camera, Action. Radiohead released 7 Television Commercials didn't they? And there are 8 videos on icrunch, so that'd be fine. I hope you're listening Jeepster. I'd buy it, anyway. OK, my plan for tonight is to watch loads of TV and not feel remotely guilty about it. Oh, but first I have to burn all my revision notes. Farewell guys, for tonight. If you see a plume of smoke on the horizon, that's the last 2 years of my education. Platonic hugs, Mike ---------------------------------------------------------- ICQ: 73775341 Email - smiley at rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk The Black Den - www.rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From no_surprises_21 at xxx.com Wed Jun 21 16:49:44 2000 From: no_surprises_21 at xxx.com (Chris Heil) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:49:44 PDT Subject: Sinister: Pat Benetar Message-ID: <20000621154944.26483.qmail@hotmail.com> As for this whole electronic renaissance issue. I always thought it sounded very much like an old Pat Benetar song..."Love Is A Battlefield" perhaps. You know when that drum beat comes in, it's practically the same song! Ok maybe not exactly the same but I think we're seeing some of Stuarts' real early influences. HEHE!~ Chris ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Thu Jun 22 09:38:38 2000 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:38:38 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Rodstalgia Message-ID: <001701bfdc25$6671d4e0$a484243e@itjfvkli> Yoko Ono had two groups; The Plastic Ono Band and The Elephant's Memory Big Band. Rockin' Joe Booker has two groups; The PINEs and The FOXgloves. Hmmm. I've got C188 and it's BLUDDY GRATE apart from Poxendale. I thought The Clientele were going to be utter pish, but they're actually rather pleasant. Spearmint appear to like Showaddywaddy. Have they got a Barry Sheene song? Misstopher Chris has come on in leap and bound. And so on and so forth. In all seriousness, I was kind of dreading it, but you're all very talented indeed and I'm quite jealous. And that's before even opening the magazine, which makes me look like a clodhopping duffer. C'mon kids, pop down to your local newsagent's and ask him to reserve you a copy. http://www.papercuts.co.uk Liking 60% of an album is pretty good going, I'm happy if an album contains 60% material that I haven't got already - Stax this, Stax that, Stax the other, they all merrily overlap. If I were to sell all the versions of "Theme from Shaft" I own, I could afford a ticket to see the new film remake, starring Samuel L. Clemens. As for the ups and downs and high points and low points and jaunty angles of the new album, I came across a quote from legendary skiffle boom promoter DH Lawrence in which he says, "Tell Arnold Layne that all the rules of construction are only valid for novels (or long-playing gramaphone records) that are copies of others. A book (or long-playing gramophone record) that is not a copy of another has its own construction; and what he, because he is an old imitator, calls faults and I call characteristics". So stick that in your pipe and smoke it, anti-Beyond the Sunrise brigade! See if you can guess which football match I decided not to bother watching yesterday. Apologies to anyone I haven't answered lately. Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk Thu Jun 22 14:05:19 2000 From: amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk (amy_jackson0) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:05:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: trumpets trumpets everywhere Message-ID: <005901bfdc4a$86788840$2e013c3e@tinypc> boo pop kids, finally got a hold of modern rock song, and i absolutely love it, t'is superb.....Mick's trumpet makes the whole song methinks.....i must admit, i do have a bit of a soft-spot for Mr Cooke, there's something about a boy with pixie-cheeks that makes me all weak at the knees...*ahem*..... it's strange now i've left school, i've got nothing to do until the beginning of July when i start work proper, so this next couple of weeks are gonna be, erm, kinda boring......it's odd, all the time i was in school i used to dream of days like this, having nothing to do, but now i do have nothing to do, i'm bored... anyone got any spare homework they need doing? wondering if b&s will release another ep soon.....and would tony "gorilla cavalier" doogan make another special guest appearance on totp..... *chuckle* "don't leave the light on baby" is fast becoming my favourite song on FISHYCLAP, i think it's superb, i really do. the whole album is really good, although i still prefer tigermilk, i think i might even prefer FISHYCLAP to IYFS, which is praise indeed cos IYFS is/was my very favourite album for ages.......still, i love all the albums, or at least most of the songs on all the albums. even "electronic renaissance", which is pretty darn cool. actually, the only song on tigermilk that i'm not so keen on is....*ahem*....."Mary Jo", which some of you will probably think terrible, but i just never got to like it. it's an okay song, but i prefer all the other tracks on tigermilk......even "you're just a baby".... /me hides behind Honey i'm off, woo, and indeed, hoo amy xxxxxxxx XxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxX how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wpsalt at xxx.com Thu Jun 22 18:34:30 2000 From: wpsalt at xxx.com (Will Salt) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:34:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: They (Didn't) Do It With Mirrors Message-ID: This is my first post after leaving the nursary, which explains why none of you know who I am. I know all the talk on "how did they do that cover image" relating to FYC... has died now, but I still wanted to weigh in with my own opinion on the subject, because, several years ago, I tried taking a similar series of pictures myself. Studying for a GCSE in photography, I was assigned the subject "Distortion" for a picture series, and had the (presumably unoriginal) idea of photographing someone looking in the mirror, with somebody else's face looking out. I set up some white backgrounds (actually, a spare display board and the wall of a corridor), hung a mirror on the wall, and found a chair. After a bit of adjustment so that I could see model's face directly (from the side) and in the mirror (full-frontal), without seeing any nasty shadows, or myself or the camera in the mirror, I rounded up everyone in my photography class, plus anyone who walked past (several art teachers and a bewildered First-Year Kid), sat them down in front of the mirror and took their picture. Afterwards, I printed the best pictures (being careful to give them all the same enlargement), then carefully cut out the mirror from some of them. I set up a DIY repro-stand by dismantling my tripod and reassembling it upside-down, then carefully placed the cut-out mirrors over the complete photographs before taking a copy photo. On the resulting print, there was no trace of any alteration. It took a bit longer than it probably would today with Photoshop -- about an hour for the shoot, then four or five in the dark room -- but messing around with chemicals was far more satisfying. I was very disappointed, though, by the reaction I got. "It's a trick angle," everyone said, "the man in the mirror is behind the camera." Unhappy, I never finished the project and only printed one of the final "composite" pictures. Anyway, having said all that, I'd like to point out that it's easy to prove that the FYC... cover was done with two different people, rather than with a mirror and tricky editing. I don't think anybody pointed this out: the shadows give it away. From the visible shadows, both figures are lit by two lamps, both from the bottom right. If a mirror were there, the reflected figure would appear to be lit from the other direction. In addition, the shadow of the real-world book could not fall on the mirror-world person if this person was just a reflection. I also think that real-world book is too far to the left, and would hit the mirror, but that's a bit hard to judge. Of course, the paranoid might like to speculate that the shadows were deliberately painted in afterwards. Note that if you magnify the mirror-world girl's left eye, the resulting image also proves that the moon landings were faked :-) Anyway, as this is a delurk, here's some incidental information about myself. Name: Will. Age: 22. Living in: Edinburgh. I lurked on sinister for about a year, back in 1997 (in the days of its ed.ac.uk address), but unsubscribed as I was going away on a field trip. I never rejoined, until the other week. Occupation: student of archaeology (my degree result is released next week). Likes: staying in bed. Doesn't like: having to get out of bed. Which reminds me: I Fought In A War (no, not *me*). The line "beyond the bedsit infamy of the decade gone before" reminded me of the review of IYFS printed in the Guardian newspaper, which (IIRC) said that they sounded as if they hardly ever left their bedsit (or words to that effect). I remembered it, because that was the first time I heard about B+S. Can't help wondering if it's deliberate or coincidental. Ta-taa, Will S -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From aconover at xxx.net Thu Jun 22 20:27:26 2000 From: aconover at xxx.net (adam apparatus) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:27:26 -0400 Subject: Sinister: mirrors are for pansies Message-ID: <200006221900.PAA18842@s1.optonline.net> hello all. i haven't posted in a dreadfully long time, but i finally got through all my back messages... i think that the fishyclap problem is quite a humdrum conundrum... it makes perfect sense to me. obviously it's not an -actual- mirror, because the girls are not identical. but that's fine. it's supposed to look like a mirror, sort of. you can tell because the angry girl's book title is -reversed-. so we're supposed to -pretend- that it's a mirror. now, as to the heavy eye-makeup... it's quite plainly a girl looking in the mirro and seeing the "dark side" of herself, which is why the angry girl looks so angry, and the sweet girl looks a little scared. of course, b+s doesn't mind that it's obvious that it's not a mirror -- i'm sure that was part of their plan in the first place. i also must say that both girls are really quite attractive. are they really in a swedish pop band? mrowr. - adam aconover at optonline.net Tempus Fugit is at: http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~conover/tempus/main.html +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From meanies at xxx.uk Thu Jun 22 20:36:51 2000 From: meanies at xxx.uk (Mick Cooke) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:36:51 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Amphetameanies news- debut album and launch party Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000622203651.007b37b0@mail.force9.net> The Amphetameanies' debut album, 'Right Line in Nylons', is released on Monday the 3rd July. In the UK, there's an initial run of 1000 on CD, there's also a vinyl-only release in Germany. There's a launch party in King Tut's this coming Saturday: Saturday 24th June 2000 King Tut's Wah Wah Hut St Vincent Street Glasgow Support from Bombskare, a ten-piece ska band from Edinburgh. Entry £4 in advance, £5 at the door. Doors open 9pm. We also have 100 'Hamfetabeanie' sandwiches to give away! (on a first come first serve basis) More details of the album and MP3 samples are on the website, Cheers, Mick http://www.amphetameanies.co.uk mailing list: http://amphetameanies.listbot.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From showmemagic at xxx.com Thu Jun 22 21:05:27 2000 From: showmemagic at xxx.com (Joey .) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:05:27 GMT Subject: Sinister: Cover Grrrrls - Re: Adam Message-ID: <20000622200527.42401.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello everyone :) Adam was asking if the girls on the cover of Fishyclaps were in a sweedish pop band. I think (I am probably wrong) that they are from Iceland, and are in a band. I think they are signed to Fat Cat. I am really sorry but I am not sure of the name of the band at all. :( I will try to find out. I have been told but I am silly and I can't remember a lot about what my friend said at all. I will ask her and then post again. By then someone else will have answered anyway... Take Care, Lots of Love, Jo x ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Thu Jun 22 21:36:43 2000 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:36:43 +0200 Subject: Sinister: What Giita Told Peter (and Everybody Else) Message-ID: <002b01bfdc89$bc4482a0$e783243e@itjfvkli> The cover girls are in a band called MUM and they go to Giita's college. Their band has a website: http://www.oz.is/thulemusik/artists/mum.html I also know something else about one of them, but it's a secret. They're Icelandic, not Swedish. It's an easy mistake to make, both countries are of viking descent-ish, and they both have a kind of food in their name. That is all. Except, what happened to Virgin France? Did they dump B&S? Or vice versa? Just wondering. Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From iaradcliffe at xxx.com Fri Jun 23 00:24:29 2000 From: iaradcliffe at xxx.com (Iain Radcliffe) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:24:29 BST Subject: Sinister: Thunderclap Bloody Newman Message-ID: <20000622232429.7252.qmail@hotmail.com> Good evening, I�m listening to an album called �The Hangman�s Beautiful Daughter� by weird sixties folk outfit The Incredible String Band. The best track comes in at a modest 13 mins 5 secs, but the sitar wig-outs and running water noises are starting to do my head in. Sample lyrics: Don�t worry we won�t send anyone After you they screamed But me and licorice saw the Last of them one Misty twisty day Across the mournful Morning moor motoring Away Singing ladybird ladybird What is your wish ? Your wish is not granted Unless it�s a fish Your wish is not granted Unless it�s a dish A fish on a dish is that What you wish ? I believe some people ingested copious quantities of naughty things called drugs in those days. The band�s name that was bugging me at the Embra picnic whilst drunk was of course Thunderclap Newman if anyone cares. It seemed rather trivial the next day in the cold light of a hangover. Rafe Dewar: I do indeed know you, and you still have spookily good taste it would seem. Pint in the Tams sometime ? I�d like to add my vote to the Electronic Renaissance: Good; Waiting for the Sunrise: Baaaaad camp. I�ve been a bit wary of throwing in my tuppence on the new album, because I don�t want to cause strife. But fuck it, here�s my tuppence for what it�s worth -(2p). I think FISHYCLAP is WELL below par. And I wanted it to be ace as much as anyone, so it�s doubly disappointing. Tracks 1,2 and 5 are v. good but not �excellent� or B & S classics. I fear the rest ranges from pleasant to mediocre to cringeworthy. Sorry. For me, the new album shows just how good TWATTYBUS actually is. Some brilliant numbers, plenty of top notch solid tunes and the �worst� ones are still pretty good. I don�t necessarily blame the co-operative songwriting policy. I think Stu M has certainly lost his magic touch at the moment and I hope it�s merely been misplaced. Here�s to album 5 showing a return to Tigermilk/IYFS quality to break the downward spiral. I hope it�s not just the age-old pop story of artists losing their immediacy and the nebulous quality which makes them so initally compelling when they have too much time and cash and comfort pissing around in the studio. Bit much content methinks. Good to see my perennially favourite football teams Portugal and Romania doing so well. Congrats chaps and good luck. Amy J: I�ll write soon � promise. I remain forever your friendly neighbourhood Jarvis xxx �I�m as serious as cancer when I say Rhythm is a dancer.� ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From therach at xxx.com Fri Jun 23 01:50:17 2000 From: therach at xxx.com (Rachel Taylor) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:50:17 -0400 Subject: Sinister: For What its worth... Message-ID: <3952B449.5E55809E@home.com> With all this talk lately of everyone's favorite and least favorite songs I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. I would have to say that Lazy Line Painter Jane is my favorite song and Fox in the Snow is the one I could do without. That's all- not that anyone cares, just thought I'd say. Raye +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From aconover at xxx.net Fri Jun 23 05:23:47 2000 From: aconover at xxx.net (adam apparatus) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:23:47 -0400 Subject: Sinister: vine-ill (list abuse!) Message-ID: <200006230357.XAA10632@s1.optonline.net> ok, i know i've been posting quite a lot, but then again sinister's been a little quiet... anyway. i got the new dirty three album on vinyl... very good, by the way, a new highwater mark for them (but then again, each new release for them is better than the last) . i ordered it from insound (one of the most wonderful stores in the world... www.insound.com .) also, it's a limited edition colored vinyl... which i didn't expect! finally, this is my very first vinyl purchase -- i recently decided to start buying in vinyl, but i don't know much about it. here's my problem: when i put the record on the turntable, and start it going, there's one area on the edge that goes up a little... like the record's warped. i thought it was the turntable, but it doesn't have this problem with other records. this is my dad's turntable, so he set the weight on the needle, but the d3 record skips at that spot unless i turn up the weight, which i'd rather not do, of course. (this only happens at the beginning of the first song; after the first song, i turn the weight down again.) a friend of mine said "that's just the way records are", but i have 20 year old records that don't have this problem! i would contact insound, but i don't want to be a pain.. so i thought i'd be a pain here. any vinyl-crazy sinistrals able to answer my question? is this a standard record thing, or should i complain and ask for a replacement? it worries me a little... oh yes, and buy the new dirty three, everyone! it's called "whatever you love you are", and has some gorgeous editing... three warrens isn't enough, as far as i'm concerned... anyway, thanks for suffering through.. - adam aconover at optonline.net Tempus Fugit is at: http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~conover/tempus/main.html +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vilkas at xxx.com Fri Jun 23 06:37:53 2000 From: vilkas at xxx.com (Vilkas D'Angelo-Horvath) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:37:53 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Uk listees...Helloooo... Message-ID: <200006230531.BAA04496@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> This is for you UK listees, moreso in Scotland. As of Monday I'll be able to say "I just flew in and boy are my arms tired". Ok then. Hello, this is Vilkas. FYI, age 25 (ok, 26 in a month) female; music fan and fellow listee. This is either list abuse or list furthering...? Well, self furthering anyway. Hugs and chocolate for amusing me. I hope I'm not asking too much. Folks, I'll be in Glasgow (Strathclyde Uni & Glasgow Art School/Garnet Hill area) and around Scotland for 6 weeks. (graduate art school, yaaay!). Then onto Ireland then onto Wales then onto London then onto England then back to Glasgow then to the airport. I will be a girl on the move. I will be reachable by e-mail until I find out my phone number. Replying to this address or loulouhex at hotmail.com will get me. Probably the 2nd one. Also if you're gonna write, carbon copy it to louloux at badtzmail.com. I'm not sure why these addresses break down, but they do sometimes. So...who wants to go do something? TinthePark meetup? Dancing? Picnic? Um...Rock show? Art Gallery? Drinking? Little bit of Nature Expedition? I dunno. Something. Anyone got the scoop on renting a mobile phone for two or three months? Again, thanks. Also anyone got any places where I should go in any & all these places. Also, any travel agent style stuff from anyone anywhere? Um...still haven't packed my suitcase, but I found my passport. Not so bad & VERY good. Looking forward to everything, liking my sugar with coffee and cream, Vilkas P.S. Anyone know Laughlin McLaughlin (his real name) or his friend Mark from Paisley? Again thanks for amusing me. Or something. Midlands Picnic? Hmmm...Never been to England...hmmmm....:). And Heathrow Airport doesn't count. Love to go places I've never been. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From meanies at xxx.uk Fri Jun 23 15:06:45 2000 From: meanies at xxx.uk (Mick Cooke) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:06:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Hamfetabeanies Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000623150645.007eac20@mail.force9.net> PS- The Hamfetabeanie sandwiches at tomorrow's launch party are vegetarian (made with vegan ham substitute), Mick http://www.amphetameanies.co.uk mailing list: http://amphetameanies.listbot.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Cjmonty at xxx.com Fri Jun 23 15:31:01 2000 From: Cjmonty at xxx.com (Cjmonty at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:31:01 EDT Subject: Sinister: Muzak de Paris Message-ID: <98.6b405c4.2684cea5@aol.com> Hello listees, B&S SONG for what its worth (which isnt very much) best song is "Stars of Track and Field" and worst (which isnt very bad, really) is, well, 'e-renaissance'. Well, im not too hot on LLPJ either, but sometimes, when im in the right mood, i like it. Feel free to completely disregard my opinions on this subject, because they change daily. PARIS MUSIC anyone know of any good record shoppes in the ville de Paris? Im moving there tomorrow, staying just for a few months. If you live there and happen to see an average looking guy with a 'stow' tshirt on and a slightly pained, lost expression on his face, its probably me, so come on over and say hello. Have a grate summer, evry one Colin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From andy_flynnie at xxx.com Fri Jun 23 16:44:11 2000 From: andy_flynnie at xxx.com (Andy Flynn) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:44:11 BST Subject: No subject Message-ID: The girls on the Album cover are from Iceland and the band they are in are called Mum. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnny at xxx.net Fri Jun 23 09:35:11 2000 From: johnny at xxx.net (Grant Bennett) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:35:11 +0600 Subject: Sinister: Brand New Twee Message-ID: <200006232009.PAA29719@mallory.asde.net> Hello, all. Second post ever, for those of you keeping score at home. Virtually no B&S content, but this does have BS firmly in hand. I don't know if anyone has mentioned this or not, but I've spotted the word twee in a... well, while not mainstream, prominent website. You can see it here: http://www.theonion.com/onion3623/summer_reading.html Enjoy yourselves, and each other. -- Grant ---------------------------------- Download ICQ at http://www.icq.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From steven.kado at xxx.ca Sat Jun 24 14:20:48 2000 From: steven.kado at xxx.ca (Steven Kado) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:20:48 -0400 Subject: Sinister: toronto picinic things ok? Message-ID: <001401bfdddf$042a74c0$1102a7d1@yesic.com> so yes, for those of us who live in toronto, we've had some convincing weather lately and maybe we should have a picnic non? and things! so lets have a picnic on thursday after work around 5 ish. maybe at queens park or something. and we have people from 'away' coming too! so it will be stellar and ooltra and things! yes! so booze and such as well. and there should be a pre maude club booze up the day before, but organizing two things at once would be too much for my poor narrow shoulders to bear. especially since i have an exam coming up in my summer architecture course and the professor is a total twit. grrr! oh life! sigh! gasp! steven! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From janne.lardot at radiolinja.fi Sat Jun 24 14:43:00 2000 From: janne.lardot at radiolinja.fi (Lardot Janne RL) Date: 24 Jun 2000 16:43:00 +0300 Subject: Sinister: if you're feeling sinister, go and see "yes, pri me minister" Message-ID: hiya all. i used to think that i should post only when i have something interesting to say. but that would mean one post in a year, or something. so bear with me. ok, so we've established the fact, that the album twins are indeed, twins, and that they're in a band. so, can anyone say is their band any good? mûm MUST mean something rude in icelandic. i certainly hope so. sooooo. if you were to look in a dictionary now, and search for the word "gutted" in it, you would see my face sneering back at you. why? the london picnic, that's why. 15th of july is a very bad day for me. why? well, because i'll be back in bloody finland then. having flown back from london on the 11th. gra-te. A HONEST HEARTFELT PLEA BELOW if anyone is sinister enough to want to take me out for a pint/picnic/coffee/anything at all between the 30th of june and 10th of july in london, i would be very happy and chuffed and grateful. please, i'll even buy a few first rounds in! i'm quite nice, and lovely and i can amuse and thrill you for hours with tales of finland, polar bears (and moomin, john w) roaming our streets, and the 11-month winter and so on.... mail me at wideboy at mobiili.net, please. thank you. THE NEW ALBUM IS GRATE SHOCKER altough i still think tigermilk is better. and electronic r. is a fantastic song. the model, waiting for the moon to rise, women's realm and there's too much love are the high points of the new album, i think. beyond the sunrise is lower than snake's gonads, by my reckoning. i simply _can't_ like the song. the non existent lord knows i've tried. also, i think LLP Jane is THE grower of all time. at first i actively disliked it, but now, after about 40 listens, it's finally starting to sound good. still, it wouldn't be the first b&s song i would play to a mate who's never heard the music of b&s... got my Jeepster vinyl-bag some time ago, and i love it. i'm taking it everywhere with me. shame that no one here knows what jeepster is. and no one's made a comment on my upside down b&s-badge yet. oh well. anyway, i'm done now. be cool and kind, you lovely people. - j a n n e - P.S. are there any fans of Alfie on the list? is someone dying to make me a tape of them? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From aconover at xxx.net Sun Jun 25 15:45:31 2000 From: aconover at xxx.net (adam apparatus) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:45:31 -0400 Subject: Sinister: have i been removed? Message-ID: <200006252005.QAA27111@s1.optonline.net> have i been removed from the sinister list? i haven't received any messages from it in a few days... in any case, thanks to all those who replied about my vine-ill problem... insound agreed to replace it! just goes to show you what a wonderful bunch of indie-rockers they are... in other news, i just graduated high school. i'm frightened! will "expectations" ever seem relevant again? of course, i got a nice watch and a fountain pen out of the deal, so now i can write cultured letters. so i guess it's ok. - adam aconover at optonline.net Tempus Fugit is at: http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~conover/tempus/main.html +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From edsapir at xxx.com Sun Jun 25 22:51:30 2000 From: edsapir at xxx.com (Patrick Hall) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:51:30 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: I'm so glad, truly, that you would like to leave me locked in your closet while your friends come over. I like to stay there, in the dark in the cool dark. It's comforting. I know they'll never see me. It's so much easier there in the closet, with the door locked tight. And it was even better when you finally left the room yourself (I could hear the door shutting, quietly, but I could hear it from inside the closet - I'm good at listening). Finally, I was alone again. I heard a story once, that if you go into a place that's truly, truly dark, like a mine, or the bottom of the ocean, that you go blind. Just because, your eyes can handle the darkness. It was dark in your closet. But it wasn't _that_ dark. There was a little of the dusty dim venetian blind light, and it snuck in under the crack of the door, and it lit up your sock. Or was it your underwear? Like I said, it wasn't _that_ dark, but it was dark. I stayed there for a long time, a long time, with your clothing hanging all around my head. Polyester dresses, and that nylon skirt, I could tell which one it was by the zippy nylon sound. That was odd, because skirts don't have zippers. I amused myself by wondering what your friends looked like. Well, I guess they look like you. A lot of your friends look a lot like you. One of your friends told you (in the special secret code you have) that it would be a good idea to lock me in the closet. After all, if your friends saw me, who knew what could happen? She thought I didn't know what she was saying in the secret code, but she was wrong. I knew. I'm good at listening. So it was into the closet for me. So here I am, in your closet. The only thing I miss, really, are the trees and the bugs. The trees, because I've always thought green is nice, and trees have so many shades of green and against the blue sky, well... There's nothing nicer than a green tree waving against a blue sky. As for the bugs, they make me feel better about myself. Mainly, because they nothing to do with you. I've been reading this book called 'life on a little known planet.' It's about bugs. And the title is good you know, because that's why bugs are good. They have _nothing_ to do with me. Or you. Or anybody. I mean sure they carry lyme's disease and eat tomatoes and killed one fourth of europe during the black plague, but, when you look at a bug, I mean really look at a bug, there's no point of reference. It's an outsider. It has nothing to do with you. It has no interest in you. And confronted with such a thing, isn't it easy to forget yourself? And that's all anybody ever really needs, to forget himself. It's not an easy thing to do. Bugs help. So, sitting, stuck in your closet, I missed the bugs, and the trees, and listened to the secret code you and your friends were mumbling in out in the parlor. And even tho the dusty dim venetian blind light could sneak in under the closet door and light up your clothing, the murmurings of you and your friends were too far out beyond the closet door, out beyond the parlor door, out beyond the reach of my good hearing. Just too far, and the sound of your secret code became incomprehensible even to me, even to my sharp ears, and finally I was alone, finally I was alone, and the murmurings, I suppose they were yours, blurred into the song of a cicada, or a dizzy cricket, or a crooked wandering grasshopper. And I sighed in relief. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From andy_flynnie at xxx.com Mon Jun 26 12:04:36 2000 From: andy_flynnie at xxx.com (Andy Flynn) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:04:36 BST Subject: Sinister: Picnix Message-ID: So whats the score for the 2 Picnics at Primrose Hill and Brighton. Where details for both confirmed? I really cant be bothered to work today....I'm still in the recovery phase after an Alcoholiday of a weekend! Plus the fact that I haven't got a clue what I'm meant to be doing today! Lets have a poll here! Who fancies Isobel? And why dont we have a competition to see which of the sinisterees is the best B&S Lookielikeee Must go know and attempt to do my boring....internet banking software coding......blah blah blah!! Andy ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cbrown2 at xxx.com Mon Jun 26 12:41:59 2000 From: cbrown2 at xxx.com (cbrown2 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:41:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: lazy farmers, why don't you pick your own strawberries? Message-ID: <8625690A.00407BB5.00@em-stpmta-01.mmm.com> Good morning everyone, I hope that everyone is feeling just lovely. Are we going to have some reviews of Glastonbury from those of you that went? What I noticed from the bbc coverage is that most of the music seemed to be for accountants in bad slacks and jumpers. I'm sure this ain't the case and you lot who went are going to make me sick with jealousy. I do have one question though, could anyone tell me who did the original of the song that Embrace did that seemed to be the basis for the De la soul song the magic number?? If so please let me know as I've been racking my brains all day and can't think of it. I might see some of you at the Primrose hill piccernic if I don't get a summons from my Mum as I haven't been to visit her since January and she reckons she's forgotten what I look like. Hmmm nothing else much to say err, yes I do fancy Isobel, yes I do think the yellow album is good and yes, architecture is the new rock and roll That's it from me, ta ta for now Chris xx **********Death to David Gray, and his sister Macy************ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kpc98c at xxx.UK Mon Jun 26 13:43:21 2000 From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:43:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Don't Leave for Brighton baby Message-ID: <200006261241.NAA07324@missprint.org> Hihi, How bored am I? Pretty bored, prettier than Andrea Corr* bored I am. What happens when you watch pokemon way too wuch? You start talking in silly literary ways(like saying wuch instead of much just so that every other word in a sentance begins with a w). I need to drink copious amounts of alcohol, but none of my friends want to go out, which is poo.. I feel like father Jack, except I'm sober, and I swear less. Bastards, the tv adverts for Currys makes me long for a curry now... I fancy Isobel too, and I also think that the yellow album is good, I look just like Tony Doogan when I put on a monkey cavalier suit. Oooh in a few days I'll be in London, fun fun fun, probably see a lot of you in the sinipicni thing, which will be nice. I shall have er, no friends when I'm in London so if you also have no friends give me an e-mail: kenjuggler at hotmail.com and I'll give you my number for a dial-a-friend service from 3rd July - 8th September if you fancy a drink sometime. love, "Who wants to be a millionnaire" quiz machines and red bulls! Ken * if you have the luck to get the corrs domain name, what would you do with it? Probably not this... http://www.corrs.com ====================================================================== I don't care whether you hear this I don't care if I'm alone here singing songs to myself, there's nobody else around, around - Belle & Sebastian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From andy_flynnie at xxx.com Mon Jun 26 16:33:43 2000 From: andy_flynnie at xxx.com (Andy Flynn) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:33:43 BST Subject: Sinister: Lookalike Follow-up Message-ID: I forgot to mention that the winner of the Isobal Campbell loookalike contest wins a half expenses paid Date out with me at a location of my choice.....lucky girl! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mindmonkey1 at xxx.com Mon Jun 26 18:08:03 2000 From: mindmonkey1 at xxx.com (ineffable) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: goobledigook Message-ID: <12289334.962039283945.JavaMail.imail@almond.excite.com> Hello everyone. Sitting in a grey office on a grey london afternoon. Should be a lyric. Off out soon so life will no doubt get a bit perkier. I have had 'family tree' spinning round my head now for about 5 days or so. Beautiful disturbing song - I guess in my business (psychiatry) I may read too much into things but the song says so much that one sees. Myths about families that last across generations, that the concepts one uses to think (however liberated) are 'inherited' and how frightening/stifling families can be. But they are also a source of strength - I can't remember who said it but 'become what you are'. People underestimate the amount of facticity in one's life - all that free will, soul, christian stuff I expect. Beautiful voice singing. What else to say? Glastonbury - I've not been for years now but is it just a bunch of crooks dressing up as hippies/gypsies and fleecing gullible white middle class kids? I suppose it serves as a rite of passage alongside inter-railing and cannabis. Sorry for the cynicism today.... Not usually this bad! Poxendale - was my amusing fellow monsignor in the B+S church making a dig at the witty, vibrant, creative and IRONIC Baxendale? I think the public should be told. Similarities - some of the slow moody numbers remind me of the Church - if you ever come across 'Aura' copy it /buy it. Hey ho. Treatment for depression - loud music, hot shower and afterwards, the first few chapters of 'Brideshead Revisted'. Bye-bye, 'monkey _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mcpuckett at xxx.com Mon Jun 26 17:52:59 2000 From: mcpuckett at xxx.com (#M. P.) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:52:59 GMT Subject: Sinister: re-view from the Washington Post Message-ID: <20000626165259.74302.qmail@hotmail.com> Gosh, To my surprise, I seemed to have joined the ranks of B&S dreamers as of the other morning: As if the musical portion of the dream wasn't painful enough, I was sidelined for my (soccer) team's championship game, so I had to cheer a dreary 0-0 tie from a corner. As we filed out, B&S was playing "Woman's Realm" in the bandstand, but *Winona Ryder* was up there butchering the vocals; she could not hold a note to save her life...ouch! For anyone collecting reviews, my *mom* was thoughtful enough to send me this one... Belle and Sebastian: Glasgow Revisited Belle and Sebastian are precious. A seven-piece folk rock group from Scotland, the band recorded its first album as a school assignment; its delicately strummed songs, graced with recorder, flute, violin and hushed vocals, would sound at home in a British campus coffeehouse circa 1973. The band's enigmatic frontman, Stuart Murdoch, reportedly works as the live-in caretaker of a Glasgow church--where he sings as a choirboy. You might ask: Is this a rock band or an Evelyn Waugh appreciation society? In a rare public statement, Murdoch has admitted that he is "ludicrously nostalgic for a time and place that never existed," and it would be easy enough to pigeonhole Belle and Sebastian as a fey flashback act. But Murdoch's nostalgia has sharp edges and his songs are at once swooningly gorgeous and very funny. The band's fourth album, "Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like a Peasant," is slightly disappointing only in that it contains too many songs not by Murdoch. Not every group can have both a Lennon and a McCartney, and Murdoch's band mates are ordinary songwriters. (Isobel Campbell's "Beyond the Sunrise" is particularly dreary.) But like 1998's "The Boy With the Arab Strap," the new album helps make up for its subpar tunes with sonic richness and aural texture that the band's earlier recordings lack. The album--which lists 18 guest performers playing trombone, double bass and flute, among other instruments--has a toy orchestra sound that skirts cloyingness but often achieves a lush beauty. The baroque violin and harpsichord of the exquisite "The Model," for example, bring to mind the Left Banke (remember "Walk Away Renee"?) as Murdoch draws us into one of his tales of snubs, poseurs and unrequited crushes: "All my friends deserted me because you painted me as the fraud I really was." Every great band defines its own imaginary geography, and Belle and Sebastian turn industrial Glasgow into a romantic and witty city of cafes and parks where lovers quarrel and misunderstand, and boys flirt indiscriminately with boys and girls. As he points out on "Nice Day for a Sulk," it's always a "nice day for a mood/ the forecast is good." Murdoch's lyrics evoke a world that's part "Brideshead Revisited," part Smiths, brimming over with ungendered erotic longing, post-collegiate lassitude, welfare state ambition and hazy memories of old movies. A Murdoch lyric will delineate not only individual characters but whole social worlds with the economy of a novelist or at least a wicked gossip: "She met another blind kid at a fancy dress/ It was the best sex she ever had." As a songwriter, Murdoch comes off as a more literate and marginal version of the Smiths' Morrissey--not only in his Wildean wit, but in the intense sympathy he brings to the amusing teenage misfits who populate his songs. (To hear a free Sound Bite from this album, call Post-Haste at 202-334-9000 and press 8174.) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Mon Jun 26 21:13:06 2000 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:13:06 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Who Moved My Cheese? I Bet It Was Rodd. Message-ID: <003c01bfdfab$0032e3c0$dc85243e@itjfvkli> I fancy Isobel a lot more since she filled out a bit. That's all I want to say, so I'll just sit here for fifteen minutes and then sign off. Come to think of it, if anyone really does want to read lots of messages about fancying Isobel, the archives would be a good place to start. Search for "Isobel;leg;love;paper;Brad" and you'll see that there can be no more ardent suitor than Brad. He's won. Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Michael.Barrett at xxx.uk Mon Jun 26 21:35:15 2000 From: Michael.Barrett at xxx.uk (Michael Barrett) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:35:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Hot Blowin' Funk Muppet Message-ID: Stevie Wonder, that is. Wassup? I have three short points, then I'll be gone. 1) Last week I went to the pub round the corner from my work and walked in to find "Beyond the Sunrise", followed by the rest of the album (on the radio, not sitting having a pint). It was quite a shock, I can tell you. Quite possibly the first time I've heard B&S in public. Good on that man/woman (in the Crown & Two Chairman, if you're here). Interesting thought - if the songs on the album were people, what would they drink? I have really no idea. 2) That damned tit-wank of a pause half-way through the album - can there be anything more pretentious than pretending your songs sound better with an lp break in the middle? eh? it's not even as if anyone could change a record over that quickly - I could've forgiven it if lasted about 2 mins. Makes me angry. 3) I was wandering around Virgin the other day and noticed that the cover to Kelvingrove Baby (by the Bathers) has changed - why? The girl on the cover of the one I have* features a stunning young lady, who looks tall, elegant and rich, and who, if Kylie knocks me back, I intend to marry. Why do people mess with what ain't broke? (* this is me covering myself in case the one in Virgin is the original.) This is still a damn fine album, even if some people think he sounds like Bruce Springstein. One nice thing, two horrible - 'snot bad, is it? See ya, M *************************************************************************************************** Confidentiality Notice: The information in this document may be confidential. It is intended only for the use of the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and then delete this document. Do not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor take any copies. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From magdaboom at xxx.com Mon Jun 26 23:13:42 2000 From: magdaboom at xxx.com (Magda Boom) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:13:42 -0700 Subject: Sinister: I'm a very patient person Message-ID: Greetings fellow bedwetters! My names Magda and Im the boy chasing, hip-shaking, pop-needing New Girl. Or was that boy-shaking, pop-chasing, hip-needing? I guess everyone needs a hip, even the Queen Mum, and she only stands up on special occasions. >Poxendale - was my amusing fellow monsignor in the B+S church making a dig at >the witty, vibrant, creative and IRONIC Baxendale? No! No! No, Mr Monkey, I'd be the first to slap Miller's wrists, but Baxendale are NOT ironic. The over twenties seem to need ample spoonfuls of irony to make their Disco biscuits go down these days. They can only dance to Britney with a wry smile on their face, or worse, a ho ho! I can have Fun! expression. Step to the left, Step to the Right, now step off a cliff.... No, seriously.. >That's all I want to say, so I'll just sit here for fifteen minutes and then sign off. This idea of spending a set amount of time on a post reminds me of my Mum marking her students Art homeworks. They have to scribble how long theyve spent on their fancy piece on the back of their paper. Its quite amusing, looking at a Stick man with a gold microphone crudely cut out of the Argos catalogue standing on a rectangle, and then reading 2 1/2 hours on the back. Of course Im secretly stealing such works and selling them to Charles Saachi, as they bear a *sparkling* resemblance to Tracy Emins sketch work, only minus the penises and cages. I thought Id mention the penises and cages because things are getting a bit, t-t-twee around here. Did you ever notice that the word mom is wow upside down? No shit, man. I bought the new Belle and Sebastian album too. I taped it then I took it back, #12.99 back in my pocket, thanks. Ooh, get me. I think if everyone listened to Sylvie by Saint Etienne before they sent their posts out wed get on a lot better. Over and over and over and over again... 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Tue Jun 27 10:07:17 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:07:17 +1200 Subject: Sinister: cool simpsons toys and other stuff Message-ID: <000f01bfe017$3429fda0$216137d2@computer> bad form to talk about the list on the list, I know, but it is DEAD here at the moment. My life has been so dull lately, but surely every single can't be going through the same dull patch?? (surely?) I think the post-new album euphoria must have kicked in. So much anticipation ..... and now, that's probably it for the next 18 months to 2 years, dare I say it? (sigh) I've been listeneing to the new Lambchop album a lot lately .... :"Nixon" is its name, and I was very surprised at how good it is. i was expecting something quite country-ish, and ... well .... it's very soul influenced. Curt Wagner sings in this amazing falsetto for a lot of the songs. Oh, and a MASSIVE Bowie revival here in my room. Great stuff ..... I'm thinking about sending Isobel an Orange Juice t-shirt I made. Anyone ever sent stuff to members of the band? Did they reply. I'm almost too scared too, just because, even though I know I shouldn't expect famous people to reply to my letters, at the same time i would be a wee bit disappointed if they didn't. (sigh ... again) The new B&S album isn't being released here locally, so anyone interested will have to shell out for an incredibly expensive import copy, so I can't see them gaining any more fans here .... record companies, why are so so unimaginative?? Burger King here is selling cool Simpsons toys with Kids meals. So I am eating there every week for the next 5 weeks to collect the set of ten. How sad ..... Well, dull post from me, but there hasn't been to much to say in my life. Just wanted to break the silence really. take care, y'all Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pixidustlady at xxx.uk Tue Jun 27 10:55:53 2000 From: pixidustlady at xxx.uk (the original pixidustlady) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:55:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister: sinister virgin exits nursery (still crawling) Message-ID: <001301bfe01d$fec72280$09c928c3@pixidustlady> Hello all. I am the Pixidustlady. I've been in the nursery for about 2 weeks now, listening with open ears and wide eyes to all you sinister grown-ups. Not sure if I'm ready to be thrust upon the list just yet. It's like baked potatoes. People always just automatically put butter on without asking themselves if they really want it. (sorry, is that irrelevant?) anyway, i prefer my baked potatoes sans butter. can you tell? i joined the list after buying the new album and then hunting round the website for a while. it's the first mailing list i've ever been part of, and already it feels special. My friend Sean was here for a little while, i don't know why he didn't stay on, although i know he wasn't thrown off. Did any of you ever communicate with him? Just wondering... I thought a bit about me might interest folk. Right now, I live in Orkney. If you have no idea where that is, and some people don't, much to my resigned indignation, it's a remote group of islands off the north coast of Scotland. (yes, i can hear everyone going ....omigod....) I recently dropped out of uni in Glasgow, for reasons i won't go into except for my laziness. It would bore everyone to tears. I'm just home for the summer, working and getting some money together, before i depart in September to start again down in Liverpool. I've got a place at John Moores uni, doing Imaginative Writing with Literature, Life and Thought. I'm hoping that summer and some stimulating discussion on the list will inspire me beyond the stars, and then i can dazzle everyone, instead of failing, again. I'm still forming my opinion of 'Fold Your Hands Child...' With matters such as these, i never like to rush a judgement. I like it though, and that's always a good place to start. This post is getting quite long, so i shall leave it at that for now. Sorry if it's not that relevant or interesting, but i just wanted to introduce myself and say hello. if anyone wants to say hello back, directly, then my email is pixidustlady at ukonline.co.uk looking forward to the summer the pixi xxxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From meanies at xxx.uk Tue Jun 27 11:00:23 2000 From: meanies at xxx.uk (Mick Cooke) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:00:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Amphetameanies Competition Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000627110023.007eadb0@mail.force9.net> The Amphetameanies are giving away copies of our debut album, 'Right Line in Nylons', in a competition on our website. All you have to do is guess the combined weight of the ten members of the band. We don't even know it yet. There's a prize of an album and a t-shirt for the three closest guesses. There's even lots of photos to help you guess. Cheers, Mick http://www.amphetameanies.co.uk mailing list: http://amphetameanies.listbot.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From andy_flynnie at xxx.com Tue Jun 27 10:30:30 2000 From: andy_flynnie at xxx.com (Andy Flynn) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:30:30 BST Subject: Sinister: cool simpsons toys and other stuff Message-ID: The Reason for the infrequent posts all of a sudden is that all the sinisterees...those who are students with free email anway....have pissed off home for the summer. >From: "Lawrence Mikkelsen" >Reply-To: "Lawrence Mikkelsen" >To: "Belle & Sebastian mailing list" >Subject: Sinister: cool simpsons toys and other stuff >Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:07:17 +1200 > >bad form to talk about the list on the list, I know, but it is DEAD here at >the moment. My life has been so dull lately, but surely every single can't >be going through the same dull patch?? (surely?) I think the post-new album >euphoria must have kicked in. So much anticipation ..... and now, that's >probably it for the next 18 months to 2 years, dare I say it? >(sigh) > >I've been listeneing to the new Lambchop album a lot lately .... :"Nixon" >is >its name, and I was very surprised at how good it is. i was expecting >something quite country-ish, and ... well .... it's very soul influenced. >Curt Wagner sings in this amazing falsetto for a lot of the songs. Oh, and >a >MASSIVE Bowie revival here in my room. Great stuff ..... > >I'm thinking about sending Isobel an Orange Juice t-shirt I made. Anyone >ever sent stuff to members of the band? Did they reply. I'm almost too >scared too, just because, even though I know I shouldn't expect famous >people to reply to my letters, at the same time i would be a wee bit >disappointed if they didn't. (sigh ... again) > >The new B&S album isn't being released here locally, so anyone interested >will have to shell out for an incredibly expensive import copy, so I can't >see them gaining any more fans here .... record companies, why are so so >unimaginative?? > >Burger King here is selling cool Simpsons toys with Kids meals. So I am >eating there every week for the next 5 weeks to collect the set of ten. How >sad ..... > >Well, dull post from me, but there hasn't been to much to say in my life. >Just wanted to break the silence really. > >take care, y'all > >Lawrence Mikkelsen >http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ > +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ > +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ > +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hah102 at xxx.uk Tue Jun 27 12:46:48 2000 From: hah102 at xxx.uk (Heather H) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:46:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: coherence isn't always my best point Message-ID: <39589428.C95F294A@york.ac.uk> Someone wanted a review of Glastonbury? I can attempt that. A bit of a background: I went down with my exboyfriend of 2 1/2 weeks, whom I'd had a bad bad bad breakup with but he's my best friend in this country so what can I do, and his housemate that I kinda-sorta knew. Fun! We were all multi-day festival virgins. We went down on a coach from Leeds on Thursday and were feeling quite Old, as the average age of coach-rider seemed to be about 16 or 17 (we being the ripe old age of 21). I was a but nonplused by their conversations about the various attributes of Burger King and KFC. I began to worry a bit about the average festival-goer. It rained the whole way there and of course the radio claimed it would rain all weekend. When we finally arrived it was raining heavily but we waited for 15 minutes and all was good. We found a nice place to set up our tent (why are there always extra pieces when I set up a tent?), and wandered around for the rest of the evening. It rained more Thursday night and I was a bit freaked out by the racist Hartlepoole scallie neighbor of ours who passed out outside of our tent right next to my head. mmmmm. friday was a good day. We spent almost the whole day in Jazzworld (a theme for the weekend). I wanted to go meet up with sinister-types that afternoon but a)I was too shy/scared/nervous all day b) I was practically passed out/asleep in the field at jazzworld achieving a lovely sunburn on my face. I saw the Wailers twice that day and both performances were very good, but I preferred the one at the jazz stage because there was a better vibe and I don't like really huge stages/crowds too much. That day I also saw the Oil Experts (I know its wrong to like French hip hop but i just lovelovelove it), Lynden David Hall (I felt so smoove), Nitin Sawhney (all three of us concurred that JC 001 is da man), Moloko (the band actually seemed to *gasp* like each other! which is so rare anymore- rosanne reminded me of debbie harry and reminded my exboy of iggy pop [?!]), groove armada (how unexciting can you get?), and Reprazent (roni size!!! yeah!!! i guess I was dancing just a bit too excitedly because I was asked by 3 separate people if i had any pills). It was a good day indeed. The evening was finished off lying in our tent laughing at/scared of our friendly neighbors. it was very cold that night and I was confused when I woke up to my exboy with his arm around me. I don't think he knew. Saturday was a good day again with lots of sun and beer (mmmm carlsberg export 5%) and other such goodies we brought along. We started off the day at the Pyramid stage to watch ladysmith Black Mambazo and Asian Dub Foundation, both of which were tres excellent! Crowds weren't too bad at the stage at that time of day so we could still see the stage quite well. We wandered around for a bit and stopped off to see David Gray at the middle-aged request of the exboy. I felt a bit whiny but was able to keep my mouth shut. We wandered around quite a bit more until we found ourselves once again at Jazzworld and stayed all evening to watch G Love and Special Sauce (brought back memories of high school), Femi Kuti and the Positive Force (by far THE best set we saw the whole weekend!!! the whole crowd was so excited and all of them were incredible performers. my booty was shakin like there wasn't any tomorrow!) and Morcheeba (again more booty shakin action- a booty shake cool down, if you will). I don't remember that evening too well because I think I was still a bit toasty. It was even colder that night. Sunday we were running low on cash and provisions so we were much more sober and tired little children. We wandered around all morning, spending quite some time in the sacred space enjoying the sun. We managed to get ourselves to the Other stage to see St. Etienne, who were a complete disappointment! I'd never seen them live before but have been a fan for fourish years and was quite excited. the back-up singers voices didn't match sarah's and were far too annoying, the acoustics were rotten and it was just bad bad bad. Luckily(?) we had a conflict of schedule that was remedied by this situation and off we trotted to see Horace Andy. We were all tired children so didn't bother to get up and dance but it was very cool. Off we trotted again to see the Beta Band. We had to sit through a bit of Muse before the Beta band and boy was that painful! Beta Band, of course, were incredible. They had a rapper for a few songs that the exboy noted was "like an English Busta Rhymes." Indeed! I was a tired girl and my back was killing me and I was a bit depressed about Things so I cant give a better account of them. Again we trotted away once they were done to see Bowie. I just couldn't believe how many people were there! It was completely packed when we got there so we had to watch the screens, so it was like watching it on the BBC only outside and really far away from the screen with some 6'7" twat who decided to stand right in front of your little 5'3" self and was so high on poppers that he couldn't comprehend you asking politely for him to move his ass. But it was good and it was David Bowie does his greatest hits. He sang perfectly and stumbled around a bit on stage in a silly way. I dont remember much more because my back was killing me 9I think ive pinched a nerve- how does one know?) and the exboy had his arm around my waist for some time. and that was that. maybe more comments from other people? there were so many things we didn't see because of scheduling conflicts- how were: Ildlewild, Moby, Badly Drawn Boy, Nik Turner, Flaming Lips, Willie Nelson, Yo la Tengo, Gil Scott-Heron, etc. etc. etc.?? Oh yeah! this is my first post! how exciting! I'm Heather. I live in England. For 6 more days. I've spent a dreadful six months here but will happily be returning to Portland, OR in August after a stay with the parents. one more (B&S-ish) related silly story: there's a boy here in my college who I don't know but I refer to as B&S boy because he wears B&S shirts. I think I freak him out because at first I watched him because there just aren't too many interesting people around here (or ones that I've met/seen in my six month stay). Now I also watch him out of habit. last night I was a bit of a drunken girl and (at the advice of friends) almost went up and hit on him. But luckily he had just left the bar. eee! this has been far too long and I apologize heather http://www.reed.edu/~hhumble +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Tue Jun 27 12:12:00 2000 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:12:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: maths. that's right, with an "s" Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E22DB3E41@SERVER1> Ooh, ooh, I know this one, well, sort of... "Three is a magic number" is from an album called "Multiplication Rock" from (maybe) 1970 ish? I don't know the artist's name, unless they were called multiplication rock too. But anyway, the album contains songs to help you do your times table from one to ten or so, and doesn't sound unlike what you'd expect to hear on Sesame Street. Only funkier. My expert friend tells me that "Naughty Number Nine" is a bit of a classic too. Though Chris, if I EVER hear you've been listening to Embrace again I'm going to make you EAT their entire back catalogue and then shove it up your arse. With my fist*. Ken - pictures of pretty girls in the underwear are never going to go out of fashion. Even if they are the daughters of Lucifer. Or our very own French Maid . Cor! David Moore just sent me pictures of myself pole dancing. Blimey. The old fool didn't even wait till I got my kit off, though, so no nob shots for you lot. That Magda doesn't half remind me of someone...and that Mick Cooke continues to take the piss - doesn't he know this list is about BELLE AND SEBASTIAN and not some poxy ska band no-one's ever heard of. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Michael.Barrett at xxx.uk Tue Jun 27 13:03:42 2000 From: Michael.Barrett at xxx.uk (Michael Barrett) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:03:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: maths. that's right, with an "s" Message-ID: > "Three is a magic number" is from an album called > "Multiplication Rock" from > (maybe) 1970 ish? I don't know the artist's name, unless they The chap's name was (is?) Bob Durrough, and the track can be found on Blue Break Beats vol. 4, which contains lots of other funky tunes and can be bought for very little money. M *************************************************************************************************** Confidentiality Notice: The information in this document may be confidential. It is intended only for the use of the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and then delete this document. Do not disclose the contents of this document to any other person, nor take any copies. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sophiesea at xxx.com Tue Jun 27 13:11:30 2000 From: sophiesea at xxx.com (sophie harris) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:11:30 GMT Subject: Sinister: nice day for a jam... Message-ID: <20000627121130.76596.qmail@hotmail.com> the sun's out! and i have a quiet little joy in my heart today, so i thought i'd make my first proper musey outing on la sinisteen (before i was just talking about picanics and the like...) but then today, like i said, i feel a bit musey... cuase i got up, and the it was newmorningsunny...but i didn't feel gleeful in a throwing flowers around type way, just curious to see what the day would bring... so i got on the train, and i was listening to 'into my arms' by nick cave, which is my fave lullaby, and i looked over and saw a littl boy (2 maybe?) in a pram... and his mum and nan were teasing him by not giving him the book he wanted, which made me frown... but then i realised he had a really bad skin condition, and was really scratching away round his neck, and it was so sad that he was in so much discomfort and so little and crying... but the mum and the nan just shoved crumbly biscuits at him... and i looked out of the window and felt sad but confused 'cause it was so beautiful outside... hmmmm and another thing is i keep dreaming of spiders, not in a scary way, 'cause i've always thought spiders are quite friendly, but there's this big web and baby spiders and one big mama spider in the middle. hmmmmm... i used to just dream of water and sea *all* the time... wonder what's going on... anyway, i think that's me done for rambling just now, but just wanted to send love and little squeezes out to all, for being so lovely - kisses and waves on this funnysunnyday xjam ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mindmonkey1 at xxx.com Tue Jun 27 13:31:03 2000 From: mindmonkey1 at xxx.com (ineffable) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Re: Sinister: I'm a very patient person Message-ID: <26435151.962109063496.JavaMail.imail@almond.excite.com> ----- Original Message ----- > Message-ID: <11407101.962108782961.JavaMail.imail at almond.excite.com> > Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:26:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: ineffable > To: Magda Boom > Subject: Re: Sinister: I'm a very patient person > > > Hello again! > > Thank you all your comments. > > I am probably a complete muppet to admit this but what does Isobel look like > then? I guess I should be hunting the web rather thyan e-mailing you but if > she is such a numinous personage than I am eager to find out! > > I was trying to work out Magda's comments - I think (if I understand her > right - forgive me if I mis-represent you flower!) that Bax(pox)endale are > poppy, witty, creative, vibrant (add lots of other good adjectives) but not > ironic - and that she was criticizing 20+ people for having to have their > pop with added irony and not being able to simply enjoy it. I think she has > a good point - it is a bit of a danger in getting too reflective about > things. Certainly though a lot of their soings as I hear them have some > pretty dark undercurrents.... But as we say in the shrink trade 'I guess > that says more about me than it says about you'. Or something like that. > > Anyhow, I had better justify my existence. > > MM > > PS tip for positive living - driving through Brixton at 7.30 am with > Tigermilk on very loud > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From craigrm at xxx.uk Tue Jun 27 14:01:51 2000 From: craigrm at xxx.uk (craigrm) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:01:51 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I was so embarrassed that I missed Chapati Message-ID: <395AD8C2@www.twigger.co.uk> Legal Naan, Century of Fakirs... maybe ? While I'm on the subject of Indian influences in popular culture, the much feared sitar onslaught on FYHCYWLAP never quite materialised now did it ?. Maybe the band took the Tim Hopkins threat not to purchase new album if it involved sitars seriously and hurriedly re-wrote it all ?. That would certainly explain the recording delays and may even be the *real* reason Stuart D left. You see I always pictured him as the George Harrison of the band so it makes sense that he'd be the biggest proponent of the sitar, perhaps he found himself in the unenviable position of having to deliver an ultimatum along the lines of "if the sitars go then so do I". And we all know what happened ....Murdoch called his bluff & the rest is history. How did FISHYCAP go in the charts when it was released, I forgot to check at the time. The more cynical amongst us know that sales charts are nothing but a corrupt capitalist tool of oppression and subliminal mind control, but I still can't help but wonder how the al-bum went. The Canadian chart though is obviously based on musical quality (Legal Man at number 4) so is justifiably exempt from my previous rant I've heard that last week several members of the Eastenders cast, high on a potentially lethal combination of meths and airfix glue accidentally tunneled in the Jeepster Office's from the basement of a nearby 24 hour Photocopying Shop. Naturally Jeepster HQ is as secure as Fort Knox and a silent alarm was triggered well before the rampaging thespians managed to get their hands on any rare Gentle Waves demos so the damage was minimal, which is a massive relief for all concerned. So St Etienne didn't deliver the goods at Glastonbury, I can imagine they'd struggle a bit in that kinda setup. They're normally quite excellent live so lets all blame the poor acoustic qualities of canvas and continue to think Sarah and co are the Bees Knees, cos they are. That's about it I think, as uaual there's very little of substance - sorry. Craig x ps: apologies is the formatting goes a bit weird on this message. I'm using a suspect webmail program that has mangled posts in the past, I'll never learn. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From peter.ramsdale at xxx.com Tue Jun 27 15:50:06 2000 From: peter.ramsdale at xxx.com (Pete Ramsdale) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:50:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Fifteen minutes of utter irrelevance Message-ID: <3958BF1E.DE9EBA71@wdr.com> Bugger. I've forgotten what I was going to write. I'm off for a smoke until this work-addled, alcohol-soaked, bowlful of weetabix mush in my head that so loosely calls itself a brain decides to get it's act together and come up with something verging on witty for me to send down the wire. Toodle pip, I'll be back in a second...... Ahhhhhhhh. That's better. And it didn't take long, either. But there again I never do. I would have been quicker, too, if that bloody lift hadn't stopped on every floor. It always does that. Gets right up my nose. But, my brain now sufficiently concentrated by Amber Leaf's finest mild shag*, I will begin.... Um, hello. I haven't posted in a while, so I am totally prepared to forgive anyone for forgetting who I am, and indeed also those oh-so-sensible people who have desperately *tried* to forget who I am. I don't blame any of you. But, I'm back. And it's with the astounding revelation that FYHCYWLAPDGRTBVXEAZGTBKOMINBGVFCCGFB%^U&£$FMNJI<:O(K*GBR%E^%$FCISXVYBNMLHRCWRSXV%YD&HK)(L&G^GVBKYTB^BJU&WHOOOOGURGLESPLAT is actually quite good. Took me right by surprise, that one did, especially after having heard Legal Man beforehand, which, at the risk of incurring general wrath and rotting airborne fruit, I have got to say I *personally* found absolutely f***ing *dreadful*. Didn't stop me buying it, though. Oh no. Anyway, I'm not going to do the "take-each-song-to-bits-one-by-one" thing, as I think that's been done to death and back again by far more eloquent people than I, but rather just inform everyone that in terms of a personal idea of quality, it rests at just about the same level as IYFS. That is to say, above TBWTAS, and below Tigermilk. In terms of sheer geography, it rests in the back right-hand corner of my living room, somewhere between TBWTAS and "Mellow Gold", below my cd single collection, but above the "c" to "e" section of the rest of my albums. I think that gives us a fair idea of everything, really. The only thing I'll say about individual songs is that, as much maligned as "Before the Sunrise" has recently been in the cornucopia of electronic wit that is the list, it's bloody amazing to listen to at five o'clock in the morning after you've just ploughed your Citröen AX into a rather large tree at 30 miles per hour the night before. Not that I'm suggesting any of you go out and do it, but it's worth bearing in mind. Calms your nerves superbly, and near enough makes you forget that by rights you should be dead. Well, until that jingly bit at the end, that is, when the whole world comes back into focus and you start worrying about ringing your insurance company again. Still, it did wonders for a short while. That's enough of that, I think. I think I shall now try to raise myself to Alasdair Cook standards of taking-the-piss-out-of-other-peoples-posts-ery, to wit (or rather lack of - me, that is, not Alasdair): The original Pixidustlady said: > I'm just home for the > summer, working and getting some money together, before i depart in > September to start again down in Liverpool. I've got a place at John Moores > uni, doing Imaginative Writing with Literature, Life and Thought. Christ. You must be good. It takes me all my time these days to do imaginitive writing with my right hand and a big red crayon. But there again that's probably because my right hand has other things to do than imaginitive writing. Oh, shut up. We all do it..... Heather H grumbled: > I dont remember much more because > my back was killing me (I think ive pinched a nerve- how does one know?) Oh, you'll find out soon enough when the rozzers arrive on your doorstep and ask you to give the bloody thing back to the nearest hospital, formaldehyde and all. It happened to me, you know - my mate at junior school tried to beat me up for my lunch money, and in a fit of peak I withdrew my penknife and nicked his finger. It wasn't long before the police caught up with me and I had to give it back and apologise. He got it sewn back on, apparently. It's wonderful what science can do. Sophie Harris: > i used to just dream of water and sea *all* the > time... The amount of bedclothes you got through must have been *terrible*. All I have to do is hear a tap these days and me incontinence trousers fill up quicker than a royalist at a parisian motorway tunnel. I'll get me coat, lol p xx. *I prefer it rough, but I'll take what I can afford..... -- -----------------------------*||*-------------------------------- "I may have nothing, but it's *my* nothing." - Manic Street Preachers Pete Ramsdale - Unix Systems Administration, UBS Warburg. Phone: 020 7568 3836 -----------------------------*||*-------------------------------- This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From strappingarab at xxx.com Tue Jun 27 19:12:16 2000 From: strappingarab at xxx.com (robert smith) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:12:16 PDT Subject: Sinister: belle letters Message-ID: <20000627181216.63099.qmail@hotmail.com> hiya! i got your letter which is grate! especally the croc! one prob though.... can't read your address is it 5 Ailstone Cotts Atherstone on Stour S-O-A Warickshire CV37 8NB if this is right or wrong then drop me a line to sort it out. hope you have fun in the lakes hopefully there will be a nice letter waiting for you when you get back much love robert smith ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dewar at xxx.uk Tue Jun 27 19:16:54 2000 From: dewar at xxx.uk (Dewar) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:16:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Aaaay! I'm the Fonz! Message-ID: <008401bfe063$e57b2420$c83c883e@oemcomputer> Hello folks, Ah, that's better! No more students pouring on about what a hard life they have. Little do they realise the REAL boredom they have ahead of them. I heard a statistic that an average computer programmer writes about 10 lines of code a month or something. In the last 2 weeks I have written -2 lines. Yes, that means that if I hadn't turned up in the last fortnight the company would have been better off. As would I have probably. I'm really not a programmer I don't think! The question is how long will it take for the company to realise this? Anyway, has anybody got the new Sonic Youth album and was at All Tomorrow's Parties? I am asking because i was wondering whilst listening whether they played anything off it? I realise it was difficult to distinguish between songs. Also, if anybody witnessed a late-nite drunken spectacle at ATP of 2 young men robotic dancing and play-acting around chalets with beer boxes on their head obscuring any vision that they may have had, then that was me and my pal. We are called the Beerbots by the way. I can send photos if required. It was funny at the time. Had to be there. Iain R - how can i have good taste yet meet in the Tams? No, only joking. I haven't been there in aaages. Not since they had some band with 2 members that used to be in the Fall. It is not a surprise they are not now. Anyway, I will be able and willing to meet for a swift half. B&S content - am i getting bigger or are medium sized t-shirts getting smaller? Rafe! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alexander.bartilson at xxx.com Tue Jun 27 19:28:18 2000 From: alexander.bartilson at xxx.com (Alexander Bartilson) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:28:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Sinister: anyone in San Francisco Message-ID: <200006271828.UAA18554@d1o901.telia.com> Hi, I'm currently on holiday with a friend in San Francisco. Actually I live south of S.F. in a city called Los Altos. Just wanted to know if there where any listees in the S.F. neighbourhood who could give me some tips on must-do:s. Please don't be mad at me for using the list for this... ///Alexander +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nik_ovenden at xxx.com Tue Jun 27 22:19:08 2000 From: nik_ovenden at xxx.com (Nik Ovenden) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: "Ah, but did i say ping or boinngg?" Message-ID: <20000627211908.13214.qmail@web2106.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry for the abstract header, you probably all saw my name and deleted this anyway... Greetings to all you sinistereenies, I expected my mailbox to be overflowing after 6 days of neglect (usually with an average of 15 emails a day, i expected a full ton or so) Luckily, you all seem to have lost your voices over the festival, so i had a mere 50 to wade through...phew. Still didnt meet any of yous at the festival, sorry, sorry. I asked siniglasto (so sorry for the duplicate message) but is a sini-edinburgh or sini-reading running? It might be nice to meet some of you instead of attaining my usual ineptness. You know in the Bowlie set when Stu said "anyone have their life changed by the Flaming Lips last night?" thought it was a tad excessive, but their set on Saturday was just that. I was front row centre and was visibly overwhelmed at many points...i dont even know their stuff that well! Sorry, no B&S content...how about this - HMV are charging me �15 for the CD! bloody cheek...i have to find it elsewhere, which means i need money, so i'm screwed. I'm too honest with repaying for gig tickets etc. My credit card should get overdrawn a tad sometimes. I'm too sensible. Is a B&S tour still a rumour? is it serious? when will the dates be out? Many of you possess eerie powers of 'insider information' and to you average B&S loving schmoe (me), i feel a bit like i'm not entirely looking at the picture. Another thing. Should i feel worried that i havent had a B&S dream yet? It's nearly been a year of obsession with them, yet i have had not one dream. Yuo all keep emailing with your abstract interpretations of your love of the band, while i still get stuck dreaming of turnips and such like. Sorry for the rambling. Can anyone out there set up a picnic in the SW/Wales area? i feel left out (again, what a bloody whingebag, you all say). Sorry again, Niko xxx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dontlookatmyaddressnaughty at xxx.com Wed Jun 28 04:36:46 2000 From: dontlookatmyaddressnaughty at xxx.com (Elvis ...) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:36:46 ICT Subject: Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V4 #195 Message-ID: <20000627213646.76951.qmail@hotmail.com> i found a leaflet people (like an internet one) i dont know if you will find it interesting or not for the benefit of those who might do here is the basic text and important notes on pictures front page - a modern format, layout. blue with thin streaks of gold. looking closely you see there is a large blue brain. top right there is a typical example of circuit board-art. at the top it says 'take control' middle - 'use it' then 'maximise your mind' other bits 'for the real world' '...success is closer than you think' '-and whats more, we're right on your doorstep' other pieces of text centre around things like how you 'cannot lose the key because you are they key' 'what are you going to lose then . keys are easy to lose' 'you cant lose speciel keys you are the key and its the ideas and perverted sense of 'reasoning' that holds you back' '...you have to lose and the loss may seem like a bad thing but the loss is the greatest thing that can ever happen to you' i found this leaflet (like an internet one) its for a business school but i think the site had mutilated it a little. don't you? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Tue Jun 27 22:44:08 2000 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:44:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Shake Your Windows And Rattle Your Walls Message-ID: <000001bfe081$0eb1ce80$a75a073e@default> Sawaddee Gang of (1)4(30), Thai Fact (but maybe fiction): Today was Khao Phansa, the first day of the rainy season, so if you had to go out I hope you were all very careful not to step on any little growing shoots or tiny creatures that the rain might have brought forth. Big Pete wrote: "if anyone really does want to read lots of messages about fancying Isobel, the archives would be a good place to start. Search for "Isobel;leg;love;paper;Brad" and you'll see that there can be no more ardent suitor than Brad. He's won" to which I offer as further assistance in the cause of such research: "isobel;top;dokken" I guess all you hipsters heard it first ages ago, but I've only just got hold of the new Sodastream album Looks Like A Russian, which I can recommend wholeheartedly. Not only because a couple of lovely listees get thanked on the cover, but also because of the beauty of the songs and the clarity of the recording, which makes it sound like they're right there playing in your car/front room. Vaguely reminiscent of the Incredible String Band too - must be the bowed double bass. (Or sawing cellos, if you're Honey :) ) "Like Belle & Sebastian with farting noises" thelastresort/James Moore Oh, and the band are nice blokes too. I trust that new girl Magda had to spend the requisite time in the nursery before being allowed to post - welcome. Poxendale looked older than I somehow imagined them to be on the Pyramid stage on Saturday. Stuart looks cute in Time magazine, doesn't he? Love, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From FearofMops at xxx.com Tue Jun 27 23:21:33 2000 From: FearofMops at xxx.com (FearofMops at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:21:33 EDT Subject: Sinister: "Ah, but did i say ping or boinngg?" Message-ID: Mr. Ovenden said: "You know in the Bowlie set when Stu said "anyone have their life changed by the Flaming Lips last night?" thought it was a tad excessive, but their set on Saturday was just that. I was front row centre and was visibly overwhelmed at many points...i dont even know their stuff that well!" nonono..... our stu was not being excessive. the flaming lips are absolutely positively fabulous, and any & all who don't own their music should rush right out and buy some now. okay okay i'm gushing and being a bit too dramatic but i can't help it. i get all excited when i see or hear mention of my boys the lips. now for my brilliant segue(is that how you spell that?) into relevant b&s content................ oh, sorry. i seem to be lacking content. hmmmmm......people seem to be mentioning dreams a lot lately, specifically ones of the b&s nature. unfortunately i haven't had any, unless you count the one in which 'tigermilk' was playing in the background. i don't remember what actually happened tho. the only really cool band dream i've had was about the pixies. but that was years ago. which reminds me. i got the most awful email today. mr. frank black has cancelled both the in-store performance and show scheduled for tonight. i go to all the trouble to ask off for work and save my money up, just for him. and he cancels. oh well. i can always blow my money on more cd's. all who have made it this far, hands up......anyone? ......anyone? okay i'll take that as a hint. buh-bye p.s. despite what critics and others say, the new album is beautiful and everyone listen to bright eyes....they're super +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rtoad at xxx.net Wed Jun 28 02:09:50 2000 From: rtoad at xxx.net (Rob Lorenson) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:09:50 -0700 Subject: Sinister: I have a voice... In-Reply-To: <000001bfe081$0eb1ce80$a75a073e@default> Message-ID: <200006280106.SAA23970@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> I suppose it's that magical time when I get to introduce myself. I live in Riverside, CA, which is E of L.A. by about 1 hr or so. Riverside is desert, and it's very hot here today. I work in a computer room, but I'm leaving soon, because all the cool people left/are leaving. I'm leaving soon because it's a wasteland of a company and I hate it. My favorite B & S albums are in this order: Sinister, Tigermilk, Fold You Hands, Arab Strap. My favorite B & S song is "Modern Rock Song," with "Put the Book Back On the Shelf" a close second. There are a couple of B & S songs I don't much care for, but they're one of those groups you can listen to 1000s of times and not get sick of them. Even the songs you don't much care for. Because even those are good. I speak a whole crapload of languages: Thai, Japanese, Mandarin, Spanish, French, Portuguese (Brazilian), Italian. I help ESL students learn English. Next year I'm going to Japan, Thailand, Hong Kong, and Beijing. I live in a big house with just me and my dog, a Shiba Inu. I study at UC Riverside. I'm a published poet/story writer. I have my own magazine. I won't do a shameless plug for it, because that's not appropriate on this list. I first heard B & S at my friend's house in Fountain Valley, CA. We were lusting over a couple of cute Japanese girls who gave us their numbers at the Japanese restaurant. I speak that language. The O-sake was starting to eat away at my sanity and stop sticking your fingers in my eye. My friend put a CD in his stereo. All I saw was a red cover. "Make a new cult everyday..." echoed through the room, the carpet was dirty and littered with empty cigarette packs, the walls had images of forgotten J-Pop stars and I scratched another Kanji on the box. "Who is this?" I asked. Sake was making my vision all fuzzy. "Belle and Sebastian," Bill answered. I lit another cigarette "Who?" "Belle and Sebastian." He showed me the cover, and I was the birthday boy. And I was Christmas. And that was the beginning. And now I listen to "This is Just A Modern Rock Song," and Dorothy is leaving, disappearing somewhere within these cities, within the emptiness and slipstreams. And I'll miss her. It hasn't rained in a long, long time. I didn't get the girl. Not in this film. ======================================================== "If your engines aren't revved up, then what you need is a holy ghost enema right up your rear end!" -Suzanne Hinn "And remember, if New Jersey was made out of neutron star matter, a teaspoon of New Jersey would weigh as much as New Jersey!" -- James "Kibo" Parry http://home.earthlink.net/~rtoad ALL SORTS OF THINGS FOR YOUR REAR ======================================================= +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sidney.reilly at xxx.net Wed Jun 28 02:13:18 2000 From: sidney.reilly at xxx.net (HopelesslySmitten) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 02:13:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: What about Sarah? Message-ID: <001e01bfe09e$0be0ce00$5ac82cc3@oemcomputer> So why doesn't anybody ever talk about Sarah? I'm just listening to a Sisters of Mercy (how many of you have ever heard of them?)song, and Sarah dressed in long flowing black with oooh! that lipstick might just be fine. Consider it HS +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From squishedmuffin at xxx.com Wed Jun 28 03:06:52 2000 From: squishedmuffin at xxx.com (ally) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:06:52 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Hello Message-ID: Hello, I'm Ally I was released from the nursery a while ago but have thus far been too scared to post, but tonight fuelled bya substantial amount of gin I have decided that I really should. Anyway I got back from Glastonbury yesterday which was amazing despite the fact I only managed to see 7 acts and spent most of the weekend asleep in a tent feeling dirty. Oh yes and I almost went to the sinister meet up- I actualy got there but was too scared to go up to you all, very sad I know-for those of you who were there I was the small girl with short fluffy hair wandering around looking scared and sitting with a girl with purple hair. Elliot Smith was brilliant and Bowie was astounding, just the fact it was actually really David Bowie and he was standing 100 metres away from me- wow! I should really write something about B&S- hmmm I like FYHCYWLAP erm.. I had a dream where Staurt did a duet with Jamie Theakston, actually it wsa more of a nightmare, can you imagine how awful that would be... A couple of weeks ago I was at Camden town tube station and this man in a B&S T shirt came up over the road with a camera and I think he took a photo of me- which was really weird I wanted to talk to him and say oooh I like them too or something equally unispiring but I didn't. Anyway you are all probably very bored by now, so I will go... Hope I haven't committed any major list crimes or anything- Ally PS: Going to LA in a week and I know noone except a mad cheerleader so if there are any listees in that area who fancy showing me the sights/going for a drink email me and I will smile a lot. *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. http://www.chickshops.com boutique shopping from chickclick.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LunaLilly at xxx.com Wed Jun 28 05:34:27 2000 From: LunaLilly at xxx.com (LunaLilly at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:34:27 EDT Subject: Sinister: isn't it strange the way the air can......... Message-ID: <6f.6e32816.268ada53@aol.com> Hi peoples...... This is going to be short...I am tired and not witty. Grr! I am always tired and always witty....nope....wrong girl. So the Fear of Mops person said that Bright Eyes is amazing.....YES they are so that! They are from my town...I love Connor Oberst. You know really all the bands on Saddle Creek are quite outstanding. I just saw Bright eyes last week and I get to see them in a week with Pedro the Lion and in like 3 weeks with Granddaddy. I could go on for hours about how great our bands are...but I shant. Those boys could pay me to spread the word...but I think they speak quite well for themselves....So enough of that.....I am so jealous that I live in America and all of you nice UK kids got to go to Glastonbury. another grrr. I did some nice vintage shopping the other day and got everything on my list....wow. it's so rare whent hat happens. Well I have just been listening to Belle and Sebastian as always and some other things and I think I can no longer sort out what's song world and real. Maybe if I did something with my days??? hmmmm...it's a thought....but no. Ok lot's of love. Olivia +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Wed Jun 28 07:47:27 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:47:27 +1200 Subject: Sinister: stuff about Nick Drake, B&S and sitars. Message-ID: <004501bfe0cc$d5ed1d60$626137d2@computer> Craig asked where the sitars were. They are on Legal Man, all the way through, although most obviously at the start. Which brings me to my question. List members may remember there besing reposrts, via Jeepster news, and also in the NME, about Belle & Sebastian having a "party" in the studio for one of the songs, to capture the ambiance?? (Ring any bells?) I seem to recall the song was "The Model", but for the life of me I can't hear anyone puking, slurring lewdly or snoting coke. Or maybe it just wasn't that kind of party. If someone would like to meil me and let me know song it was, I'd sleep easier. (Or maybe it's one of the seven or so songs the bnd supposedly recorded and haven't released yet ....) Bollocks .... RELEASE ANOTHER ALBUM SOON B&S. No offence, because a) I really love the new one, but ... it doesn't have "Lonliness of the Middle Distance Runner" on it, and b) another two years is FAR too long to wait for another mere 41 minutes of pop perfection. Or at least cobble some sort of "Hatful of Hollow"/"Boxing Hefner" type compilation with "Lonliness ..", some sessions and outtakes etc. (Please .......) Magda Bloom, you really should *buy* Belle and Sebastian albums. Indie bands really don't make all that much money, especially when they have seven members. And, really, it's so much nicer to own the albums..... ***WEIRD B&S EXPERIENCE*** At work I usually wear hadphones and listen to pop music. I was having a freindly argument with the girl who its next to me. She listens exclusively to hip-hop (she thought "folk" was like "grunge", which gives you some idea of her depth and breadth of knowledge when it comes to pop). Anyway, she usually has control of the radio, and as usual it waqs playing the usual mix of Puff Daddy, Vengaboys, Westlife, Destiny's Child (surely the worst band EVER). Anyway, at ths point my boss said "why don't you play some of YOUR music, Lawrence". I'd just been ranting about B&S moments before, so I was *forced* to inflict "Fold Your Hands ..." on all the people who work downstairs in the office.It was a very strange experience ... my boss was the only person who liked it, everyone else used adjectives like "interesting" or "different" to describe it. (sigh). Funnily, the situation was very awkward for me. And after that, of course, it was back to Puff Daddy. ***NICK DRAKE ALBUMS GOING FOR A SONG*** I am a sad Nick Drake obsessive, and hence have just shelled out for the new remastered versions of his three studio albums. Which means I have three "old" versions I am wanting to rid myself of. I don't really want to sell them to the sharks at my local send-hand record place, and all my friends either own the albums or don't like them. So ..... if anyone on the list is interested in some sort of a trade. I don't want much for them ... just something (like a single album, a couple of singles etc.) to justify the cost of posting them to you, because that will no doubt work out quite expensive. It would be a good opportunity for someone to get the three albums super cheap. Anyway, if anyone is interested, make me an offer. Maybe a couple of hefner singles or something I couldn't easily get here?? Or whatever. Anyway, that's i for me. Take care kids, Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From andy_flynnie at xxx.com Wed Jun 28 10:08:18 2000 From: andy_flynnie at xxx.com (Andy Flynn) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:08:18 BST Subject: Sinister: Aaaay! I'm the Fonz! Message-ID: What is it about Computer programmers and developers that means that they are instantly obsessed with B&S the moment they Listen to them. Like Dewar I am one of that lot.....and in my cramped windowless office, in this basement of a converted garage that affords all who work there pale skin, there are 3 obsessive B&S fans. None of us shared are secret until one night in a pub. Now that is weird!! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin at xxx.uk Wed Jun 28 13:03:35 2000 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin Robinson) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:03:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Dresses, caresses and Camera Obscura Message-ID: Hello friends, monkeys and Cookie monsters, Hope you are well and good. I think I'm going to enter the Isobel lookalike competition mentioned here a while ago as it seems a good excuse to pluck me eyebrows, cross dress, click my fingers and sing Family Tree without getting odd looks from people. Well maybe I'll still get odd looks but I'm kind of getting used to that now. Plus I have to practice wearing dresses for this football game at the London picnic. Though I won't want to get mine muddy or grass stained through one of those vicious tackles Camp Casarotto dishes out, I don't think he'd even pull out of a challenge on a lady. Well obviously he would but I was talking football... Anyway what I meant is I'm going to sit on my fat lookalikey arse in a dress drinking Tenant's Super. What a lady I am... Speaking of Big Gay Mark, apart from mentioning his best friend Nobby and fisting yet again, said something like: > Props to that smart, wonderful, hansom Martin and his cru for the > Betsey do the other night. It was much better than Tigermilking. Which is nice but no bloody excuse for not having a Tigermilking night soon. Get off your lazy gay arse young man. Actually if anyone else had a good time seeing the wonderful Camera Obscura last Friday or is a fan at all there is an egroup to keep up to date with what the said popsters are up to. It's called parkandride and can be found at www.egroups.com Email me if you have any probs getting on it. Some smitten person also said: > So why doesn't anybody ever talk about Sarah? Before going on about the Sisters of Mercy. Which to be frank made me shiver inside. Reminding me of indie clubs of years ago where your pop music and goth music had to stand side by side, and the dancefloor had little shifts of The Mission et al and then Blur and the Stone Roses. You used to have to brush past the smelly, sorry strangely scented, Goths on the way to or from the dancefloor and sometimes their dyed black hair would be shook into your face or you'd get tangled up in the gaping holes in their big long black jumpers. And be dragged with them with your arms flailing, which they thought was impressive dancing, to Jane's Addiction. I'm still go weak at the knees at the mere mention of the Fields of the Nephilim, I mean how I can be scared of a band who sprinkled flour over themselves I don't know. Oh I've overrun I can't talk about Sarah now. Not even drawing or falling helicopters, oh that's 2 Sarah's sorry. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about Oranjeboom? Te ra, Martin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hewits at xxx.uk Wed Jun 28 15:51:09 2000 From: hewits at xxx.uk (stephen hewitt) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:51:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: A mile and a half in a car can also take a long time... Message-ID: <9188A3453EEED111BD7300805FEDEB690125A342@park_ex> ...when it's on the way out of glastonbury. EIGHT HOURS we sat in traffic, EIGHT HOURS! All cos some selfish bastards had had the temerity to crash their cars on the way off-site. Anyway, a lovely time was had by all, hello to lovely sini-peeps i met, Sean, Paul, Lixi, Cress, Ian, and slight admonishments to those too shy to come and play, we don't bite, you know :) GOOD BITS Flaming Lips - yes, i know, not staggeringly original, but they are GRATE aren't they. I hadn't realised the drums were on tape, the visuals and the band's sheer charm just like blew me away and stuff DAY-VID BOWIE - was also fookin' grate, all the hits etc, ziggy PLAAAAAAAYYYY-ED GEEEEEEEEE-TAAAAAAAAA-HAH Wheat - were surprisingly good, before the lips, mmmmmmm american rock The 100 foot inflatable dragon and carnival parade - just as i hit the break from my first bar shift a large multi-coloured dragon came towards me (no, really). This was one of those classic glasto moments, with hundreds of confused punters going what the FUCK is this????!!?! Billy Bragg - who i passed just after the inflatable dragon. He was hanging out with Boris Johnson (editor of right-wing rag The New Statesman) doing stuff for the beeb. Badly Drawn Boy - doing Aidan Moffatt impressions Working the bars - which was actually fun and more importantly gave me access to SPECIAL CLEAN TOILETS (woohoo). I also realised that rather than the beer coming from barrels, it comes straight from a 30 ton tanker. oh and sunshine, obviously BAD BITS The Bloke in the tent next to us - who had the loudest snore in the world ever, when he started i was sure i was being attacked by some rabid pig dog from hades Rain - but only on thursday, so not that bad :) Feet - hurting, lots Toploader - Shiteloader more like, S*mply R*d for the new millennium Pathetic tent robbery - we had six tops, thirty cigarettes and some underpants nicked from our tent, but they left the sleeping bags, booze and drugs (hayfever tablets and some naughty drugs too). Twee robbery or what. Yorkshire Pie and Peas - not having any Mrs Carsmile is putting the photos in today and i'll scan them in at some point (I'll get those 2000TT ones processed eventually as well). Roll on Reading, that's what I say :) Enough about me, how was your weekend? xoxo CarsmileSteve +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From andy_flynnie at xxx.com Wed Jun 28 15:51:45 2000 From: andy_flynnie at xxx.com (Andy Flynn) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:51:45 BST Subject: Sinister: Oranjeboom Message-ID: Because Martin its a Lager not a Tune Silly Boy. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From angel_blackwell at xxx.com Wed Jun 28 16:28:12 2000 From: angel_blackwell at xxx.com (the angel blackwell) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:28:12 EDT Subject: Sinister: i'm soo gay i'm dating women again... Message-ID: <20000628152812.93882.qmail@hotmail.com> man...i had an interesting weekend. it was gay pride here...and it took over the city. went to vaseline night at the elmo...i've now seen everything one can do with a watermelon. it was one of those situations when you wake up the next morning and think that you'd just had too much to drink and it couldn't possibly have happened. but, a friend of mine confirmed that i really did see it, and that i'd had too much to drink. i also remember a black balloon that was shaped like a...nevermind, you don't need to know about that one. saturday was a bust as there were torrential downpours...it was raining cats dogs and frogs all day and night. i saw a spanish drag show that night, all costumes look better when there are feathers involved. Sunday the parade completely blew...corporate sponsorship has taken over i'm afraid...they'll pay to drive in our parades but won't support our causes...ooops...there was a time when they used to deliver beer in white trucks so they wouldn't be labelled as a gay beer... i found out this morning that my baxendale cd is now on back order...big surprise... ummm...well, i'm all excited cuz a certain fox is visiting toronto and i will hopefully meet her tonight...mod and northern soul as spun by a former member of platinum blonde...it's always nice to see a flyer that states secured parking for scooters available... ummm...bye for now, i'm off to suck corporate, ugh, balloons... a. ps, mr moore has too many email addresses... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From geoff at xxx.uk Wed Jun 28 16:58:30 2000 From: geoff at xxx.uk (Geoff Sheridan) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:58:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Equality. Message-ID: Chiao, I suppose I ought to introduce myself. My name is Earl Sheridan d'Orange III, and I live in a converted castle above a shop in Greenwich. The shop is called 'Interiors' and stocks the sort of high-class fibreglass reproduction fireplaces which are in such demand in a well-heeled neighbourhood like what this one is. I once saved a small child from drowning. It was nothing really, I just took my hand off the back of his head and let him finish his soup. Philanthropic, I guess you could call me. Yes. Many a time and oft I've espied a vagrant and, tossing him a Dime, bade him: 'Eat this, poor serf.' They are darlings, some of them, but oh! the smell. Pardon me, but if I left the house without my Tiffany's Eau d', I would feel practically naked. Being rich isn't all about limousines and getting blowjobs from Zara Phillips. (Incidently, it was I who requested she have her tongue pierced.) There's the responsibility, the heavy, crushing burden of superiority. One would hardly expect you to understand, but really, one must always behave with such... dignity. Honestly, it's a dreadful bore. How I long for the carefree life of the lower classes. The freedom to use prepositions to end sentences with. Navigating a push-chair through the double doors at 'Poundstretcher'. A cheery can of Special Brew and a park bench. The constant scrimping and saving. It gives one such... purpose. A far cry from those dreary cocktail parties and (I wince to say it) movie premieres. When I graduated from Eton, with a 2.2 in Applied Woodwork, I hardly would have believed I'd be where I am today. Indeed, as I said to the CEO on my first day at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter; 'Are you sure I'm qualified to be Financial Director?' He just smiled and carried on talking about my father. My photograph usually appears in Tatler. And I suppose that's what I love about Belle and Sebastian. I'm rich and you're all as poor as, well... as little church mice. And yet there is something in the soaring beauty of a song like 'Beyond The Sunrise' which unites us. Briefly, perhaps, for one must have one's standards, but in that moment we are almost... equal. Bonsoir, Earl Sheridan d'Orange III +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pixidustlady at xxx.uk Wed Jun 28 15:55:35 2000 From: pixidustlady at xxx.uk (the original pixidustlady) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:55:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: crayons Message-ID: <003401bfe111$0d2845e0$c9e086d4@pixidustlady> hello all, second day, second post. i think my voice is gaining a little strength at last. want to say 'hello' and 'thanks for replying' to jules and eric. jules - one day i will explain to you "The Biscuit Theory". it is my (teenage) lifes work, and has implications far beyond the mortal world. or it's just a laff, whatever eric - what is your favourite bake potato topping? (this one is open to everyone) but now, the main reason for todays post: crayons (pete, this bit's for you!) it was a long and arduous experiment, made bearable only by the dulcet tones of stuart murdoch and B&S emanating softly from my stereo*. Three days i was in there, curtains drawn, wary of anyone attempting to bring me food or coffee, lest they should be trying to steal my research. each day the writers cramp grew worse and worse, sometimes preventing me from forming any legible words at all. in the end i had to give up and admit defeat, it was an utterly hopeless and forlornly lost cause. pete was right, nobody in their right mind would attempt to use literature, life or thought as a tool for imaginative writing. what had i been thinking!! my failure tortured me for many minutes. with a small sigh of resignation, and a slightly larger gurgle of childish pleasure, i returned to my pencil case to fish out my trusty glitter crayons. they returned to their rightful place in my ravaged hands, and i began to write. as the sun set, i forgot my foolish notions of literature, life and thought, and settled back to tell the much more entertaining and vulgar story of pete, and his beloved sidekick..........right hand man. THE END. *this mention of B&S makes the whole story totally relevant to the list, don't you think?!? love to everyone the pixi xxxxxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fehbptrain4 at xxx.mil Wed Jun 28 18:19:56 2000 From: fehbptrain4 at xxx.mil (FEHBP Training Account 4) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:19:56 +0100 (GMT/BST) Subject: Sinister: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:21:24 -0400 Message-ID: <6629EF7B52C2D3118C33006008CF35918A9793@dddc023.ha.osd.mil> -Hello all, _________________________________ --Earl Sheridan d'orange III -That was possibly the most ridiculous thing I have read in a great while. -My co workers are probably wondering what I am laughing at behind these cubicle walls. _____________________________________________________________ To every one who wrote me last week. Thank you. It helped me more than I could ever express. I was amazed at the kindness of every one on this list Things are weird but better... But how can I complain, my friend bought me a tick toy, and a new built to spill CD. I am truly amused for a while. Alix p.s. After that last jab, I needed to put my two cents in on the Sisters of mercy . Simply beautiful music. Beautiful , beautiful , beautiful.. "Enough prattle ,villain! No one mucks around with the Tick's bodily membranes! Prepare for swift justice! "Oh, ho! So, foul gelatin, you would do battle with the nose of your birth! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.com Wed Jun 28 19:36:45 2000 From: ian at xxx.com (Ian Connelly) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: salon.com review of FYH Message-ID: the review below makes a lot of the Smiths connection, and while it's a bit of a dis-service, first-hand stories of Stuart strumming/singing Smiths/Go-Betweens songs around a bonfire at Ocean Beach during his visit to San Francisco two weeks ago corroborate 'em, in the nicest way. but didn't we already know that? http://www.salon.com/ent/music/review/2000/06/27/belle/index.html By Carlene Bauer June 27, 2000 | "Nobody writes them like they used to, so it may as well be me," sang Belle & Sebastian's Stuart Murdoch on the band's first proper record, "If You're Feeling Sinister" (1997). He delivered the line with a modest shrug, but for some listeners -- mainly grown-up boys and girls who still took solace in Smiths records -- it sounded like a manifesto. Murdoch himself could have been the subject of a song off the Smiths' "The Queen Is Dead" -- a church janitor who likes to wear silver trousers. And his seven other bandmates from Glasgow, Scotland, also seemed to know what Morrissey and Marr knew back in the 1980s: that even if your pimples clear up and your braces come off, the world can still pinch like the wrong shoes. With such lilting anatomies of melancholy as "Lazy Line Painter Jane" and "Stars of Track and Field," Belle & Sebastian made a virtue of that sort of wallflower wit. On "Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like a Peasant," the band's fourth record, strings, flutes and trumpets filigree pristine melodies. The result, as on their earlier albums, has all the rock 'n' roll kick of a teacup rattle. But that beloved wit is rare: Murdoch and the band seem tired of consoling with tragicomic parables of boys who need to put the book back on the shelf and girls who have split ends and VD. They almost sound determined not to be the poster children for unforgivably fey sensitivity -- the role they played in the film "High Fidelity," in which a concave-chested record store employee was mercilessly razzed for listening to one of their records. Instead, the album features an "issue" song ("The Chalet Lines," about a girl who's been raped). And Murdoch's given up the winking references to dirty dreams for sex itself, a development reinforced by the sinuous, suggestive string section of "Don't Leave the Light on Baby." Like the nine other compositions, both songs are slow of tempo and devoid of the irony and insouciance that made Belle & Sebastian semi-famous among record store employees and their friends. For the first few spins, the new angle makes for an infuriatingly soporific and chilly listen. Which isn't surprising. The last full length, "The Boy With the Arab Strap," found the band in a rambling, diffident mood, unwilling to deliver -- as they'd done on "Tigermilk" (the actual debut record reissued last year), "Sinister" and several EPs -- instantly charming songs that were as wry and flushed with feeling as a just-confessed crush. But "Fold Your Hands," with arrangements that are less music-box cutesy and more considered in their use of retro touches, is again a more polished attempt at ditching their rep as pent-up and way too precious. The most affecting numbers -- "I Fought in a War," "The Model," "There's Too Much Love" and "Women's Realm" -- are all elegant, torchy songs that temper regret and befuddlement with resolve. They're rather grown-up, and they're all Murdoch's doing. The songs written by the other members of the band don't fare so well. The music for cellist/vocalist Isobel Campbell's "Beyond the Sunrise," is a lovely exercise in eerie acoustics, but her borderline hokey lyrics put wayward women in soft-focus ("Sir, come to me and I will keep you warm/Taste hope in my skin and faith with the dawn"). Coming from baby-voiced Campbell, the words just sound sentimental and naive. And violinist Sarah Martin's first contribution, "Waiting for the Moon to Rise," is pretty, but it's basically just a standard folk-pop ballad about longing. There is nothing wide-eyed or ordinary about Murdoch's "Women's Realm," a serenade to a girl who'd rather hide out in a train station with a flashlight and homemaker magazines than face the world. Murdoch's choirboy tenor pipes along, agile as a flute, as he moves through Glasgow, down silent streets, along the river and over to an empty dance hall where he dreams about "a boy, a girl, a rendezvous." He's unsentimental about their prospects, but not hopeless. "Are you coming or are you not?" he demands. "There is nothing that would sort you out/There's nothing I could say or do/You're going to crash, I'll set the bails in front of you." It's a new tenderness for the band, a state of grace achieved without cheek or irreverence. On another record, it could be the start of a brilliant career. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk Wed Jun 28 20:21:05 2000 From: amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk (amy_jackson0) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:21:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: it's very quiet in here... Message-ID: <000901bfe136$02adee60$c71f3c3e@tinypc> hey, why is it so quiet? i think someone said about the uni students have gone back home for the summer, so that's why it's only the tech heads and bedroom saddo devotees that's left.....so it's gonna be like this until late september? oh well..... that means i'll be a student then too. uh oh. i keep think that it's gonna be ages until i hit the streets of glasgow/stirling (delete as to which one i actually get accepted to), but in reality, it's only a couple of months. crumbs.* i think that sarah gets terribly overlooked too. i met her at the looper gig at king tuts a couple of weeks ago, and she is a lovely girl, and i think that Isobel gets too much attention. maybe that's why she's filled out, all the attention has got to her and she's gonna keep on expanding forever and ever and ever and ever until P!O!P! she explodes......~giggle~ nah, that's not fair, i'm actually a bit jealous of isobel, i'd like to be ale to sing like her and be able to apply eyeliner as perfectly as she does, grr.... i watched Glastonbury on telly. hmm, so-so,.........except for darn macy "spawn of the devil" gray, she should be banned. maybe that's what her backing group are called, The ShoodBe Band.......i don't like her, you might've guessed. i'm sorry, but a voice like that should've been used as a form of torture, not *ahem*, "entertainment".....and david gray too....though i do seem to like his babylon song (sorry, that's bad!) but his voice is all gravely like big-sis macy's........must be a thing about the gray family, they all have dodgy scratchy voices... ooh, t in the park is less than 2 weeks away!! i have never been to a festival before, so it could all go brilliantly or terribly, depending on the weather and what i bring and whether i actually meet up with my friends.....btw, if any of you wanna buy a day pass for the sunday at titp, then email me at amy_jackson0 at tinyworld.co.uk and offer me some money and maybe, just maybe i can sell it to you. sorry, that was list abuse.........oops. well, better go, i think my time is up... toodle pip, amy xxx * have been watching Dangermouse recently, hence use of Penfold-speak. i apologise. XxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxX how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? XxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxX +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ISawUfall at xxx.com Wed Jun 28 21:33:16 2000 From: ISawUfall at xxx.com (ISawUfall at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:33:16 EDT Subject: Sinister: listees in San Fran who work(ed) for LEVIS qho saw flaming lips @fillmore last year Message-ID: <79.615199c.268bbb0c@aol.com> im trying to get in touch with some guy from sinister that i met at the flaming lips/sebadoh/robynhitchcock show last year 'round this time....we smoked dope in my car....and i played you SALAKO's BIRD AND THE BAG does this sound familiar....? he worked for LEVIS and was in a band shoutin out, dave-o +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rob_brennan at xxx.uk Wed Jun 28 22:02:59 2000 From: rob_brennan at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Brennan?=) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:02:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Amphetameanies / nice arse Message-ID: <20000628210259.17272.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> YEah! Shame on Mick Cooke for using the list to promote his side-project... ...So I went to the Amphetameanies gig and I thought it was GRATE! Sorry I had to leave early to get a train. Mick - rudeboy dancing not too convincing - you've gotta BOUNCE y'know. Does "Ten times less than BombSKAre" count as an entry for the What's The Weight competition? I fancy Isobel too. Big backside and everything. Obligatory in-depth review of FLAPPYCLAPPYFLAPS: It's really good. Very glad people are giving large props to Lambchop. Nixon is the best album I bought this year (sorry B&S) - check out "The Man Who Loved Beer" on "How I Quit Smoking" for sheer brilliantness. Based on current experience I think everyone should listen to The Fall while they're drunk. Hugs Robster ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mouche75 at xxx.com Thu Jun 29 00:58:25 2000 From: Mouche75 at xxx.com (Mouche75 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:58:25 EDT Subject: Sinister: first post Message-ID: Hello I'm just out of nursery, beaming with pictures, and I thought I'd dip my toe in the water to see how all you cats are. So how are all you cats? I'm quite well, thank you, drinking coffee and covered in wallpaper paste. I subscribed to Sinister ages ago, back in 1997, when, as the older among you will recall, the summers seemed to last forever. Hot topics then were "Who is Elvis?", "Where'll Fakers get to in the charts?" and "Is Betamax better than VHS?". I posted a few times, mainly about Vince Guaraldi and sweet shops that display sweet jars in the window. But then emails started to bring worrying news ("your story on what you did over the summer was due in two weeks ago, and you will fail very soon") so I unsubscribed and took to my bed. So can I introduce myself? I'm Mouche, and I live in Kilwinning, which is on the west coast of Scotland. I haven't lived here for ages, but I came home trailing balloons a few weeks ago. I was struck by two things when I came back: a) the abnormal percentage of people under 40 who use walking sticks 'round here, and b) the way it always kind of smells of frying sausages. I needed salvation and fun, so I reached out for sweet sweet sinister. You know when you're on a bus and there's a kid in front of you, leaning back over the chair desperate to make eye contact? I was in a benevolent mood today, I was chatting to the kid, trying not to stare at his little icicled snotters and stuff. And things were going well, till he burped (with some force) right at me. I was dizzy with strained carrots for about fifteen minutes after. This is a cautionary tale. It was nice when I came home though. When I got off the bus, the driver said "cheers, Matthew," and even though I'm not called Matthew, I didn't complain. In fact, I was secretly chuffed to be mistaken for one of the apostles. Do bus journey stories qualify as B&S content? Is it borderline? I know it's old hat, but here's my Fold Your Hands chart (last week's positions are in brackets). 01 (01) The Model 02 (03) Woman's Realm 03 (04)There's Too Much Love 04 (02) I Fought In A War 05 (07) Waiting For The Moon To Rise 06 (06) The Wrong Girl 07 (05) Don't Leave The Light On, Baby 08 (09) Family Tree 09 (08) Chalet Lines 10 (10) Nice Day For A Sulk 11 (11) Beyond The Sunrise Two little matches too... I Fought In A War and Made Of Stone, and Zinedine Zidane and Stevie Jackson. Can I ask a little favour? If there's anyone else on the list who lives on the west coast and knows good places to go, can they please get in touch? Secret places, where young gunslingers groove the the latest sounds? I'd be very very grateful. There's a certain novelty is scooting about 'round here, but I saw the farmer up the road loading his silage truck up earlier on, and I know things will get unbearable soon. mouche +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Justin.GALKE at xxx.au Thu Jun 29 05:48:02 2000 From: Justin.GALKE at xxx.au (GALKE,Justin) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:48:02 +1000 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Nick Drake J-File Message-ID: <200006290448.OAA16535@name-ext.deetya.gov.au> I know that there are quite a few Nick Drake fans on the list, and this Thursday night at 10pm (tonight, roughly 7 hours from now)Triple J are doing a J-File on him. Taken from the site: Nick Drake gets the J-File treatment tonight; he made only 3 albums in his lifetime, but fans include Paul Weller, Tim Rogers, Beth Orton, and many others. Drake's producer Joe Boyd and his bass player Danny Thompson will be in for a chat 25 years after the singer's death. The J-File can be listened to at: http://triplej.abc.net.au/listen.htm Happy listening, justin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.edu Thu Jun 29 08:18:23 2000 From: ynoh at xxx.edu (Youn J. Noh) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 03:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: more post-match commentary & small talk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hiya Sinister, my top four are the same as mouche's. this'll get old pretty fast but here is my ranking: 01 The Model 02 Woman's Realm 03 There's Too Much Love 04 I Fought in a War 05 Nice Day for a Sulk 06 The Wrong Girl 07 Waiting for the Moon to Rise 08 Don't Leave the Light On, Baby 09 Chalet Lines 10 Family Tree 11 Beyond The Sunrise in Women's Realm, i love the lines "An interesting way of life/Deny yourself the benefits of being alive". i think it would be better if stuart sang Don't Leave the Light On, Baby in a lower key. i tried to eliminate my bias towards stuart's songs in the ranking above, but it was hard. isobel has changed her singing style a bit on this album - not as breathy, but it still sounds unnatural. (if she has the gumption to protest "looking stupid, being used and being thin", why must she insist on such "pretty" vocals? would it take a revolution for sarah to have the female parts in duets?) with the television at my parents' house, i've managed to watch more than my fair share of sitcoms. it gets deadening pretty fast. the hot topic on so many shows seems to be homosexuality. oh, but there were the nba championship games. i don't really follow sports, but reggie miller and the indiana pacers were great! and i finally managed to read The Heart is a Lonely Hunter by Carson McCullers. if you haven't read it, i highly recommend it. you know how it is when you discover someone new. on saturday, i'm going to see lloyd cole with my sister and her husband. it should be pretty cool. except i don't know what he'll sing cos it's been a long time since he's released anything, as far as i know. yours, youn +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mindmonkey1 at xxx.com Thu Jun 29 11:14:33 2000 From: mindmonkey1 at xxx.com (ineffable) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 03:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: heebie-jeebies Message-ID: <29117447.962273673743.JavaMail.imail@almond.excite.com> Dear Brethren, So much to say... Thank you Lucy for the link to the Isobel picture. Umm... looks lovely but not really my type (do I get thrown off the list now?) - obviously our relationship would hve blossomed if she had been! If she is scottish,small and blonde then is she much different to 'elven' gail porter? is it all in the head scarf? please help me on this with links etc (Sarah??) as no doubt I am missing something and being very stupid. Possibly is should have learned a little bit more about the band other than just lisyen9ing to their music! But hey... I've got a lot of time for that. I did have a huge crush on a glaswegian for a fortnight (i left the job where I was working and moved to London)- but she was a gorgeous asian honey. Pleased that our brother alix is a little calmer about his poor chum but am delighted that i can now also 'come out' about being an ex-goth and huge sisters of mercy fan. Not quite sure what has happened to them released a 'greatest hits vol 1' years ago now (?1993) with a cool remix of 'temple of love' on but nothing since. Best track -'some kind o fstranger' from 'first and last and always'. So, perhaps we should all don black wedding dresses, bleach our skin, dye our hair and buy lots of jossies. I think so. At least the cure are still vaguely about. Anyway, I've got a patient so best be sensible... MM _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cbrown2 at xxx.com Thu Jun 29 11:39:52 2000 From: cbrown2 at xxx.com (cbrown2 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:39:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: with goth on our side Message-ID: <8625690D.003ACC98.00@em-stpmta-01.mmm.com> I used to be a goth but I'm alright hey now hey now now oops couldn't resist it, I'm feeling frivolous. I wasn't a goth but lots of my friends were, the clothes were awful though and the smell of pachouli mixed with flour was rather offputting at the marvellous dropout club in Chesterfield. Whoever it was who wrote in saying about brushing past goths on the way to the dancefloor brought the memories flooding back, cheers. MarkC, so shall I bring some embrace cds to eat at the picnic then? (not that I own any) Nothing else to say, sorry it hasn't taken me 15 minutes to write this handsome regards Chris PS thanks to Justin for the Nick Drake tip-off, my gorgeous long-distance love is taping it for me. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Thu Jun 29 13:40:35 2000 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:40:35 +0200 Subject: Sinister: The Virgin France Suicides Message-ID: <000f01bfe1c7$82f37cc0$6c97243e@itjfvkli> Ironically, I've only ever heard one example of Baxendale's neo-nancy pop mastery, the sublimely unironic "Music for Girls". It's not that bad really. It reminds me of Warrander John's nightmare vision of the future, in which "the next album you buy may have William Hague on lead vocals". I was just being ironic when I called them Poxendale, I'm sure they're really good really. Although I have no intention of finding out. I prefer The Pinez. And The Vizitorz. Although there are still almost 1500 people on the list, it has indeed gone a bit quiet. I've been reduced to scouring the Guardian website for things by Nick Dastoor. There are three, one of which contains the phrase "totty good at totting up". I've also read three Duke of Harringay articles, two of which referred to his alleged boringness. They weren't boring articles though. No one seems to know what happened between B&S and Virgin France, is it a secret? Is Madame Cecile Aubrey involved? My guess is that sombody moved their cheese. Jaques Chirac isn't going to be watching V-Twin, is he? My French is bad, but I got the impression he was going to be grooving to something a bit posher, the old fruit. Welcome to the list, Magda. Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sand at xxx.au Thu Jun 29 13:38:01 2000 From: sand at xxx.au (Ed Sandrejko) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:38:01 +1000 Subject: Sinister: Virgin Mailer Message-ID: <200006291242.NAA25446@missprint.org> Hi Everybody, that's right. This is my first mail-in. Just warning y'all. Think I'm from Texas now, don't you? My name's Nick. I'm a zen buddhist monk. Though primarily I just "am". I was ordained last January (in Japan) , but I live in Sydney Australia, so I'm not a monastic monk or anything like that. I'm 20. Am studying Arts at Sydney Uni - Religious Studies, Japanese, Art History and Buddhism. What else? Oh yeah, I work as a DJ on weekends (just 21st b'days and stuff, no 'real' gigs, so to speak, as of yet). I love movies, music, reading, talking, well, actually pretty much everything. Pleasure or Pain, take it with open arms, thank God you're alive. As a Norwegian Zen monk once told me. So, why am I writing to you? I love Belle and Sebastian's music. But they're not gods or heroes or anything more than ordinary people (in my opinion at least). They're obviously just wise guys with a wonderful gift. And the other reason, well, I've been reading your messages and you seem like interesting, alive, thinking people as well. So I'd love to be a part of your group. So, I look forward to enjoying the 'submissions' to the mailing list and enjoy the new album guys. Hey, it's not as if I've got it yet. I do live in Oz remember... Cheers, Nick Ps. I wrote this message two weeks ago but soon found out I was barred for that moment. I do have the album now. I really love 'Don't Leave the light on baby'. Btw, how's Legal Man faring in Britain? It's not that 'mainstream' is it? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From shop at xxx.net Thu Jun 29 11:25:37 2000 From: shop at xxx.net (Katrina House) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:25:37 +0100 Subject: Sinister: tigermilk Message-ID: <001001bfe1c1$372b8540$7449a8c2@pricelessoem> hi all, i don't know if anyone is interested anymore, but i have someone who wants to sell an original 'electric honey' tigermilk lp, so if you're still wanting to get your hands on one, please mail me with your offer and i'll put you in contact. btw, the sleeve and record are both in mint condition. back to lurking ... cheers, katrina. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cdarwin at xxx.uk Thu Jun 29 20:17:28 2000 From: cdarwin at xxx.uk (Miss Cressida Jane Darwin) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: i'd rather jacques Message-ID: glastonbury, then. it was nice to meet sinister people. they were ALL lovely. yes, every last one. and of course i greatly admired lixi's inflatable grasshopper with its words of wisdom and ian's rumour-mongering skills. apparently, burt bacharach cancelled because he lost both his legs in a freak accident and he now can't bear to sing such classics as "music to watch girls by" without breaking into sobs because "well, i can't do anything else now, can i?" poor old burt and his libido. it sounds like i had a similar weekend to heather, as my partners in crime on this trip were all herbal medicine students and hippies or soul girls, bless them, and rather long periods were spent at the jazz stage. sometimes this was good, as in (possibly the best band of the weekend) Ladysmith Black Mambazo (really). however, sometimes this was bad, for example by the time i met up with sinister people on friday, all i had seen were two contemporary dance troupes and david lynden hall. hmm.... badly drawn boy and elliott smith were also very fine. but i could hardly hear a word of david bowie as i think i was surrounded by the eastbourne division of his fan club. "he's still got it, hasn't he. ooh, he looks lovely!" oh, and indeed dear. *and* they were vicious elbow dancers. oof! still, the jazz stage has given me a renewed interest in all my stevie wonder records and fabulous they are indeed. "jamiroquai" should bury himself alive for shame. ahhh, beginning to wander, so i'll just let those of you that don't know, that jacques (aka jack) is playing borders (london) gratis on friday evening. oh, yes they may charge ridiculous amounts for their cd's and not even bother with vinyl , but just now and then they put on someone of interest. let's just hope he's not doing another spoken word in welsh. *shudder* cress xox ps WHERE is bonobo? pps does anyone know anything about hobotalk apart from the fact that they're supporting the magnetic fields in july? ----------------------------------- Cressida Darwin c.darwin at sghms.ac.uk St. Georges Hospital Medical School Opinions expressed those of the author and not the institution +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jellybabs at xxx.com Thu Jun 29 15:21:22 2000 From: jellybabs at xxx.com (Katy Dutton) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:21:22 PDT Subject: Sinister: A return Message-ID: <20000629142122.79267.qmail@hotmail.com> Not that my absence has been noted, I'm sure Well, some random thoughts, which I'm sure will be vaguely connected with B&S: 1. I went to Glasgow for a week. 2. I saw Chris Geddes in Fopp. Even nicer in real life too :) 3. Sorry....I meant to say I SAW CHRIS GEDDES AND HE WAS 1 FOOT AWAY AND IT WAS GRATE AND MY LEGS WERE SHAKING AND SO WERE MY BOYFRIEND'S... 4. But I was too scared to say 'hi' :(((, let alone jump on him, kiss him and then command him to take to me Struan's house. I hope everyone's been well, I certainly have. As for the Midlands Sinister picnic, I believe that Mr Smiley and Magic Bird have been doing a great job of organising it in my absence. Sheffield, 15th July, Endcliffe Park, for those who are coming. Very satisfactory. *More content, ish: I saw someone in Glasgow with a carrier bag about the size of a record. On one side, the cover of Legal Man had been printed. On the other, FYHC...any ideas where this is from anyone? Sorry if you all know, it's just that I've not checked my mail for 2 whole weeks because I've been away/entertaining the visiting boyfriend. Hmmm well I'm going to go and lament the return of the beloved to Glasgow by crying into my pillow, listening to Sinister and drinking Lemon Snapple. Care to join me anyone? Katy x ***Thoroughly alone for 1 hour and 17 minutes*** ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From liisa00 at xxx.fi Thu Jun 29 17:59:41 2000 From: liisa00 at xxx.fi (Liisa Kallio) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:59:41 EET DST Subject: Sinister: i´m too little to have a name Message-ID: <1836f46fa0b73a2d622020a5a84f0c49@iobox.fi> hello. i haven�t posted for a while,cos i haven�t been feeling up to it. and i haven�t been listening to fyhc as much as i should�ve. i was a bit disappointed.but i do have a top three though: 1.there�s too much love 2.nice day for a sulk 3.family tree i don�t like the cover.llpj is my fave one. i�ve had lots of b+s related dreams.in the last one stu was making a film and he was very grumpy.i was being a pest asking too many questions,and he was so busy filming. he showed me what he had come up with, he had filmed toes. in abother dream he was really nice to me though. i was getting all desperate waiting to get my nick drake cds. every night when i went to bed i thought maybe they come tomorrow, but in the morning, after watching �chronicles of narnia� i rushed to our mail box, still in my pyjamas,there were just some bank statements for my folks. but this morning i got my digitally remastered �pink moon�.it�s just soo beautiful.i�ve been listening to it all day.it�s in a slip case and there are all the lyrics ,and couple of photos.it�s my first and only nick drake cd, i�m still waiting to get �five leaves left�.i hope it comes tomorrow. it�s finally summer here in lapland,around +29c today,i think i�ll go now. hei,hei. me xx ps.the local record store has still 2 copies of fyhc left. i think they probably got like three, and i bought one. ---- Soitto��net ja ikonit matkapuhelimeen! http://www.iobox.fi/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From magdaboom at xxx.com Thu Jun 29 17:28:05 2000 From: magdaboom at xxx.com (Magda Boom) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:28:05 -0700 Subject: Sinister: David Gray's one for the kids! Message-ID: Hi again bedwetters, It isnt *so* quiet, but a little. MM said: >I was trying to work out Magda's comments - I think (if I understand her right ->forgive me if I mis-represent you flower!) that Bax(pox)endale are poppy, witty, >creative, vibrant (add lots of other good adjectives) but not ironic - and that she was >criticizing 20+ people for having to have their pop with added irony and not being >able to simply enjoy it. Spot on, sonny, but Im sure most people could have worked that out for themselves, no? I shouldnt be so ageist, I know, I just get so sick of that I word. Irony is just so futile, its an excuse people give for liking music they think their peers will frown upon. Its cowardly to hide behind Irony! Im not saying you have to be true, or real, just wipe that clever smirk off your face before I take an iron to it. You should probably take a knife to mine for stating the obvious. Again. >I trust that new girl Magda had to spend the requisite time in the >nursery before >being allowed to post - welcome. Yes, why wouldnt I? You people are weird. Mark says I sound familiar, Im not sure why. Maybe I need to formally introduce myself, my name is Magda Boom, and you dont know me. I like Baxendale and Black Box Recorder and commercial pop music like Daphne and Celeste and Kylie. I do like Belle and Sebastian, I admit it. I have several major character flaws, but Im pretty cute. I liked it when Mouche referred to us as cats, I thought that was good. Im a bit of a mean cat myself. Of Baxendale: >a lot of their songs as I hear them have some pretty dark undercurrents.... Well, as a friend of mine said recently, one does wish, sometimes, that there was a single Edit of I Love the Sound of Dance music or Music for Girls where things didnt go all wrong at the end - a fairy tale with a sting in the tail. The sting in the tail can be so precious, though. Heaven forbid, more real. But dont listen to me, its an established fact Im an intellectual blank, I nearly started crying in Claires accessories yesterday when they followed Daphne and Celestes U.G.L.Y with Coldplay. I had to tell my companion Id got glitter in my eye, for fear of ruining my petulant pop-kid image. I had been sitting on the edge of the park in Leicester Square on my own, watching a man painted silver pretending to be a robot, the neon Empire Cinema sign flashing like Vegas in the background, while girls with armfuls of shopping bags in brand new trainers walked past, eyes narrow, mouths wide. You see? Magdas Tip of the Week: Dont stub a cigarette out onto your credit card when youre drunk, because it will NOT work the next day when youve got a desperate urge to spend your hard earned cash on a style magazine and an overpriced cappuccino. and to whoever told me that I should BUY Belle and Sebastian records, you've got some nerve and baby that'll never do. Chow, Magda Boom x *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. http://www.chickshops.com boutique shopping from chickclick.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Thu Jun 29 18:08:42 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:08:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Ever excellent Message-ID: <8025690D.005F77B8.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Someone was moaning about Banchory Merchandising T-shirts being smaller than normal ones. Believe it or not, this has already been discussed at length. A lot of fatties think it's unfair and that it means Belle & Sebastian think that you have to be waif-like to be a twoo fan. 'Looking stupid being used and being THIN' eh? The ever excellent Tom Ewing points out, by way of a Guardian article http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~tewing/2000_06_18_oldlines.html#383429 that all this worrying about being thin and confused at Tony Blair's body image summit is all very well but it's a bit rich that it gets all the attention when obesity remains a far more widespread health issue than anorexia and bulemia. When I was at university I seem to remember a very bright colleague doing a dissertation on anorexia and he finding very little research that it had anything to do with seeing skinny models in magazines anyway. Call me selfish but I love the B&S T-shirt sizes. After years of having to put up with shapeless sacks at last I can wear one that's just perfect for us 6 foot high, 8 1/2 stone people. That's... me then. Thank God no one outside the UK undertands stones. Carsmile Steve is either confusing the Spectator with the New Statesman or else he's making some hard left point about the latter's loss of edge. I suspect the former, as he comes from Chelmsford and is probably a member of the Women's Institute. > I've been reduced to scouring the Guardian website for things > by Nick Dastoor. There are three, one of which contains the phrase "totty > good at totting up". Funniy enough, I resorted to doing just the same yesterday. I have had a few more credits than that but the archive tends to ignore them on the grounds that they are in 4 point type and upside down. 'Totty good at totting up' was not my idea. Nor do I condider Magnus Pyke top totty. But that Lord Watson - phwoarr! Anyway, just before I resorted to doing that I resorted to searching the web for people with the same names as my friends. Then I told one of my friends and she said she felt violated. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Thu Jun 29 18:57:51 2000 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:57:51 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Ironing is the ultimate accesory Message-ID: Ring,ring:is anyone left out there? A sigh of relief had traveled the whole circle of the Algonquin Table regularly booked for Sinister when that article got published today in The Guardian-Online about the unimportance of content in the total process of electronic communication,judging by the sudden increase of messages honouring my humble mailbox.Allegedly,the zeal and urge to communicate something or even nothing is the core and could semiotics turn the light off when leaving,thanks?. I absolutely refuse to add how long it takes me to write a message,because of two simple reasons : a)There would be no excuse to justify than spending such a generous amount of time my efforts to entertain you cannot crystallize in anything better than this,for instance, and b) summing up one's existence in quantities provides certain BridgetJonesy qualities.Is it 37 mins 12 sec good enough?Poor?I should read more carefully those glossy girlie mags next time to know if my stipulated amount of time devoted to Sinister is what a girl of 26 and 5 feet 5 inches should be doing.Not sure about the inches,I had lately a bad experience with rulers... About Fraulein Dagmar Vroom's mum assesment method: can one claim automatic writing ?Surrealism is a bit demode,but don't know if enough to make a convincing comeback.And I found ironing a much more necessary touch on a man too nowadays,very rare occasion is to greet a 20something male with no creases and no sarcasm to cover that sign of laziness instead. So Burt Bacharach could not make Glastonbury after dancing in some laddie club one of his own songs.He never was a 13 years old girl,oh well. xxx A. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From grreth at xxx.com Thu Jun 29 21:59:45 2000 From: grreth at xxx.com (grreth at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: irony, and the old Message-ID: <000629165945HT.28008@weba2.iname.net> keywords: magda boom, irony, baxendale. it's funny, this irony business. pop culture? pulp and a hundred thousand wannabes make a statement by dressing like your mum and dad in those old slides of holidays to barry island in the mid seventies. and maybe i'm at that inbetween age, when sweet young things like magda would call me old and people my own age with houses and cars and children would call me young. if i said i _didn't_ need my pop laced with irony would i sound like i was protesting too much? i live a lifestyle that a lot of people would consider to have heavy ironic elements. my penchant for 1970s accoutrements to modern living is a case in point. there is no snobbery involved, none at all, when i say that i feel somewhere between angry and queasy when i see the sorts of people that are cooing over things i like the look of in the expensive 2nd hand shops of brighton, say. for me there is a dizzy pleasure in the enjoyment of these things - i may raise an eyebrow archly when pouring out a cocktail mixed in some battery operated contraption or other, but i've never quoted austin powers and would much rather have a girl say "steady, badger" than "easy, tiger". and how does that apply to music? you tell me. are air (french band) ironic? is france gall? (remember when the list was a-hum with people asking which was her best album?) so why do people think i'm ironic for listening to the latter, when the former's simply cool? and where does "legal man" fit into this, apart from being bad pastiche? irony is everywhere, so enjoy it. maybe this curious outburst has come from having a friend accuse me of "dressing up as a rockabilly" when i went to see holly golightly on saturday. and holly didn't even give me a second glance, the old witch. i think she's only got 4 toes on her right foot as well. g a r e t h --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Paul.Rudolph.B at xxx.com Thu Jun 29 21:34:13 2000 From: Paul.Rudolph.B at xxx.com (Paul Rudolph) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:34:13 -0400 Subject: Sinister: People Under The Stairs Message-ID: <0056750020437866000002L562*@MHS> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From paularathoon at xxx.com Fri Jun 30 00:29:46 2000 From: paularathoon at xxx.com (Paul Arathoon) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:29:46 BST Subject: Sinister: the running of a middle distance loner* Message-ID: <20000629232946.28371.qmail@hotmail.com> well, Sinister is as quite as a stadium full of Dutch who waited for their team to score for 120 minutes and then saw their side pissed on by the italians in a penalty shootout after failing to score against 10 men. And i claim my prize for the longest first sentance of a post this year. There is also a trend for people who feel they should fill the vacuum to review the album.Therefore we can categorically say that Sinsister's archives for June will have the largest number of reviews for one album in one place in the world ...ever. My review: the CD was round and shiny. Always a good start,and followed from there in the expected fashion. Yet again it looks like I am going to miss all of the meet-ups becuase of geographical misses. (also known as being in the wrong place). When the London one is on i shall be in Oxford for the first and possibly last time ever. Someone mentioned a B&S party in a studio which they recorded. by a ridiculous sequence of links, ie housemate's cousin's workmate, i know someone who was there. from what i hear there were mountains of coke, dancing girls, fire eaters, free love and insurmountable quantities of Vietnam strength LSD. the reason it hasn't been released is that isobel, out of her mind on various substances ate the master tapes. Surely enough crap form me. hope this fattens up those anorexic inboxes Paul *this title does not claim to bear any resemblence to the contents of this post... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jimgrund at xxx.fr Fri Jun 30 00:26:35 2000 From: jimgrund at xxx.fr (Jan Imgrund) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:26:35 +0200 Subject: Sinister: banker's bouquet Message-ID: <002601bfe222$5c4bcc20$522c2cd5@u4a2b3> Hi You know, I never post. Or, at least, almost never. The last time was sometime in November, I think. I don't remember the year though. But I thought I might just as well go for it once again, since I have a nice thing to say for once, even though it has only a tiny B&S-connection. And I'll also try to fill this gaping post-void, all by myself. So what's this 15-minutes-rule. See, I've been away from the list for a while, and I missed all the new legislation. Is it that you have to spend no less than 15 minutes writing your mail, and does this include time for reading it again, finding that it's crap, erasing everything and trying again? And also the time for thinking about witty things to say, or on how to spell "Ampallang"?Are people who write very fast allowed to spend less time? Important questions! You can't just let us stand with a rule like that. Us legal men write hundreds of pages of commentary on a single phrase of law. [Beginning of actual post] Hello So, when I got into the subway (which is called métro with an accent in the parisian part of the world), on my way to buy the new B&S album, I stumbled onto a film set. Too bad! It was obviously not a big production though. Just a guy with a portable camera, one with a big light, one giving the orders, and a few more who were mainly occupied keeping the real people around quiet and away. Oh yes, there was also an actor. He played a beggar. Now I don't know if it's done like that on other subways, but in Paris, the beggars come into the wagon, make a speech (which is often really good, from a purely artistic point of view - but then again you might discover all sorts of talents in yourself when having it depends on whether you'll have dinner that night), and then collect money. It seems to work better than just sitting around. That's what the actor was playing. The speech was not as good as a real one, though. His clothes were not dirty enough, and he did not have this strange, vaguely irritated look in his eyes that all beggars seem to have. He probably also had dinner that night, despite his poor performance, so it was harder for him, in a way. They taped his performance a few times, but the boss never seemed really satisfied. I was bit disconcerted at first: standing so near, I could well give him some money when he would come past me. But since it was only a play, would I get it back afterwards? Would I be seen in a french indie movie, gauchely handing out money? It would have been my first public performance ever, and I had not been to the coiffeur for almost 3 months. It turned out though, that the beggar only ran through the rows of seats without really collecting. Bad performance. A loud voice was then heard from the other side of the wagon. It was a beggar, a real one. The crew looked kinda cross as he came nearer. Obviously, his delivery of the part was much more vivid, more present, altogether, i might even say, for *real*, y'know mate? The false beggar tried to hide under his big rasta-beggar cap as good as he could. Maybe he feared that the other one would take his place, for the authenticity. It could have been a brilliant career for him! But nothing of that sort happened, since we are in reality here, and not in a social-kitsch movie. The real beggar got out at the next station. Hmmmm Strange how stories seem so much less impressing when you write them down than when you lived them at first. But post-void is a pretty good word. Don't anyone dare use it. It`s MINE!!!! I don't like the new B&S album that much. good night, Jan 29 min. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ tindersticks page: http://members.tripod.com/~iodin/tinder.html 'they're only songs' ----------------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sidney.reilly at xxx.net Fri Jun 30 00:48:02 2000 From: sidney.reilly at xxx.net (HopelesslySmitten) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:48:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: All About "Twee"ve Message-ID: <004201bfe224$77cd3360$cb0e073e@oemcomputer> Dear People Coincidences, coincidences, coincidences Isn't it weird how coincidences come in sevens (a mystical number, as any wearer of a black flowing dress and eyeliner of all those years ago, would be able to tell you) but perhaps not strange when considering Belle and Sebastian and what appears to be their unknown to anyone (including I am sure them) tenuous links with the Goth movement of bygone years. Let me elucidate................. 1. Sitars..........it would seem to me that a sitar is so prominent on Legal Man due to several members, if not all, hearing the sitar at the beginning of The Missions "Sea of Love" off of Carved in Sand (1990, Mercury842251-4)..........and of course it would take ten years for that influence to take prominence in another groups music ( I shall not mention The Beatles or Ravi Shankar here as their Sitar influence on the world is negligible compared to that of The Mission). 2. In a Q magazine review (Q38/November 1989) of the then new All About Eve album "Scarlet and Other Stories" (Mercury 838965 - in case you want to order on back catalogue), the reviewer described the flagship bang of Goth's Nouveau Hippy wing as a Laura Ashley version of The Mission and there songs as "twee" - now I raise the question of could it be that Mr Murdoch once owned this album and spent many hours with it willowing through his headphones and hence here he discovered "twee".............a confession here is that I once owned a copy of "Scarlet" and at the dissolution of my marital relationship my ex and I argued about who was going to get to keep it - you may be pleased to know that I won and forced her to keep it. 3. There can be no denying that the Gorilla that jumped on the stage when B&S played TOTP's is a closet Goth and felt the need to be near other closet Goth's. So yes I did say seven coincidences, but to save my sanity (and you may think that already too late) and yours I shall stop at three But let me end with this, as so many of you appear to have B&S dreams, and as most of us don't remember most of our dreams..........how can you be sure that the dreams that you are not remembering do not have some kind of Goth content - just consider this - Pete Murphy (Bauhaus) could be wandering through your dreams tonight - just maybe you had better never sleep again or should I say Sweet Dreams HS +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mouche75 at xxx.com Fri Jun 30 02:06:51 2000 From: Mouche75 at xxx.com (Mouche75 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:06:51 EDT Subject: Sinister: two times Message-ID: some lovely people answered my last mail! thanks, lovely people. if any of you cats are going to the picnic in sheffield, can I recommed that you get a number 95 bus to Walkley? And you get off just past the big bend after the hill? And you go to the bakers on Howard Road? Because it is the best bakers in the world. Their vanilla slices are so good it makes me... um...cry... Today, i was walking home, listening to FYH, and I was singing with gusto. I was singing along to "There's Too Much Love", and being all operatic at the "brown formica" line. And as I got into the cul de sac, lots of little kids emerged from behind hedges. So i said: "Alright lads?" I was secretly hoping that they hadn't hear me sing... "What are you singing?" they said, as if I'm some sort of community care case, you know, like to be humoured and stuff... i tried to act cool, "I'm singing some pop songs, you know...." "Is it Tom Jones?" I shook my fist at them at that point, in the pesky-kids-Scooby-Doo style, but I was thinking about it later on... Do B&S sound like Tom Jones? Do I sound like Tom Jones? And i got to thinking about Tom Jones' song Sex Bomb, and I imagined it as a nail bomb, you know, going off in a crowded place and everyone being showered with... um... pants and stuff... and I felt a little queasy... Incidentally, we kicked serious ass at he pop quiz tonight. My posse, Bridie Bunch, ran away with the £25 prize, flicking V-signs to anyone who came close. Pride's a sin, I know, but, well... WE KICKED ASS!!!! love mouche +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From guile.tln at xxx.br Fri Jun 30 06:38:15 2000 From: guile.tln at xxx.br (Guilherme Barrella) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:38:15 -0300 Subject: Sinister: they hit us Message-ID: <395C3245.61EF58F3@terra.com.br> finally! mtv brazil played some new belle and sebastian videos. until today, the only one we had seen was "is it wicked not to care". today, they played "century of fakers", "the wrong girl", "legal man", "dog on weels" and even a looper video, "ballad of ray suzuki". and better, the guy said that they have more videos and will be playing soon.... and... all b&s releases will be out here as well. wow! even the singles box! finally! now i can stop buying expensive imports. er... it's a bit late though but anyway... just sharing love, gui -- ------------------------------------------------- this is my empire, welcome ------------------------------------------------- for sad songs, go to Blue Afternoon http://www.mp3.com/blueafternon ------------------------------------------------- for indie pop, go to Winnie Cooper http://www.winniecooper.cjb.net http://www.mp3.com/winniecooper http://winniecooper.zzn.com http://www.terravista.pt/IlhadoMel/5883/ ------------------------------------------------- for brazilian indie, go to Slag Records http://slag.sekure.org ------------------------------------------------- for compilations, go to 1,2,3 Indiezinhos Records http://www.indiezinhos.cjb.net ------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From craigrm at xxx.uk Fri Jun 30 11:31:51 2000 From: craigrm at xxx.uk (craigrm) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:31:51 +0100 Subject: Sinister: a little bit short and a tiny bit sweet Message-ID: <396071A2@www.twigger.co.uk> Greetings Sinistah Posse, Just found this article on the MTV website. It doesn't contain any Earth shattering revelations but there's something about the idea of Stuart going around and writing wee notes to himself that I quite like. Craig x After drawing critical praise and massive college radio support for its last two albums, 1996's "If You're Feeling Sinister" and 1998's "The Boy With The Arab Strap," the mysterious Glaswegian band known as Belle And Sebastian has emerged with a new record, "Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant," which will be issued in America on June 6. Since forming in 1995, the members of Belle And Sebastian have tended to keep themselves in relative seclusion, playing only a handful of shows in the U.S. and Europe, and have avoided most media requests and interviews -- all while releasing some of the most delicately crafted, emotion-laden chamber pop of the last decade. Because of the Stateside success of "The Boy With The Arab Strap," which was cited by "Rolling Stone" magazine as one of its Essential Recordings Of The '90s, the band has decided to open itself up and actually submit to promotional interviews in support of "Fold Your Hands." MTV News recently chatted with Belle And Sebastian drummer Richard Colburn, who talked about why the band has chosen to avoid the media spotlight for so long as well as the meaning behind the lugubriously wordy title of its new album. "It's funny, because I don't know what it means at all," Colburn admitted. "To be honest, I don't think [frontman] Stuart [Murdoch] does either, because he actually got that from a piece of graffiti that was written on the wall of a toilet in one of Glasgow's universities -- I think he said he saw it about 1986, when he was attending the University itself. "He walked in to the toilet, looked up and saw it, and thought, 'What does that mean?' He didn't know the context, whether it was taken from a book, or a film, or whatever, and he was quite intrigued by it, I think. So he just wrote it down. He used to do that quite a lot; just different things, writing little pieces down and stuff. "It's quite strange that 14 years later, it's the title of the album," Colburn continued, "but I don't think too many people know what it means, if it means anything at all, specifically. I just think it was quite a cool sort of phrase." As for the band's reclusiveness, Colburn said that it was a choice that he, Murdoch, and bandmates Isobel Campbell, Chris Geddes, Stevie Jackson, Sarah Martin, and Stuart David (who has since left the group to devote himself to his own band, Looper) made when they first formed Belle And Sebastian, although he said it has led to some bizarre rumors about the group. "[The biggest misconception] is the whole cult thing," Colburn said, "and that we're really shy and sort of fey and twee, which is fair enough, because if you don't do interviews and you don't divulge too much about yourself, then people tend to make assumptions about you, which is totally natural, and because the music sounds the way it does, that springs to mind. "We used to get a lot of that with the British music press, who used to give us a hard time about that. But we're just normal people, and it's real [lucky] that we have that chemistry that seems to work and happened to make some records. "[There] is quite a misconception about the way we are personally and the way we work," he added. "We're totally approachable, but we didn't do interviews for one reason or another, and it's our own fault, in a way, for not coming across in the media and stuff. But that was the way we were working at the time, and we'll probably do that again after [this], 'cause we've done a lot of interviews lately." Belle And Sebastian has already shot a video with director Lance Bangs for "The Wrong Girl," the first U.S. single from "Fold Your Hands," while Campbell has helmed the clip for the band's separate "Legal Man" single. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From i_love_moon at xxx.com Fri Jun 30 12:53:53 2000 From: i_love_moon at xxx.com (Johan Nilsson) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:53:53 +0200 Subject: Sinister: in france kids start smoking at five References: <396071A2@www.twigger.co.uk> Message-ID: <20000630115221.8251.qmail@hotmail.com> hello listies; i am gonna make a little dumb request for our sinisters living in or visiting paris this summer. i am dying to get a hold on a the elysian fields catalogue that you can buy at the sotre at the exhibit at the pompidou center. if anyone can help me please please email me. ok i am sorry for making such a request but i am climbing the walls. puzzle on johan [aka francesco toldo] +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From smiley at xxx.uk Fri Jun 30 12:57:13 2000 From: smiley at xxx.uk (Mr Smiley) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:57:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Book loving, two-faced, ironic Bez-style dancer Message-ID: <002e01bfe28d$f51196e0$2728883e@freeserve.co.uk> Boo, I noticed on that Planet Sound thing on C4 teletext (which means nothing to non-UK people, and I apologise profusely for this) that some wag said that B&S are whiny and make just make music for English Lit students who are in love with their book collection. I was going to get annoyed, because ignorance is not a nice thing, but then I thought that if I got annoyed I'd look a bit defensive, seeing as until very recently I was an English Lit student. And I am quite fond of my book collection. Strictly platonic, you understand. Hahar, I had a great time last night. Want to hear about it? Good. I went to Worksop's pathetic little club, where they were playing Artful Dodger or some shite, and did my standard Bez/indie dance but with more jumping. For two hours non-stop. with chemical assitance, of course (ie vodka energy drinks. What, I hope you didn't think I'd do anything naughty). The result of this was a cardiac arrest and me sitting typing this acheing. Oh and last night we kept seeing people from school who I haven't seen for two years. It was great. They'd come and talk to my friend and I, and we'd be like "oh hi, how are you" and then they'd go away and we'd be like "what a wanker". I can't condone two-facedness at all, of course. Oh, and irony. Pop and irony are great. Irony in itself is great. In fact, I can't remember the last time I made a statement with any trace of honesty in it at all. This is why I have no friends. And I still listen to The Great Escape. Platonic hugs, then Mikey ICQ: 73775341 Email: smiley at rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk The Black Den: http://www.rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From julesmarkham at xxx.net Fri Jun 30 16:02:06 2000 From: julesmarkham at xxx.net (julesmarkham) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:02:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: monster cats and dripping roof Message-ID: <002501bfe2a4$3d7ed760$724b8cd4@tonygeorge> hey folks I'm away to the lakes for a week, will send postcards! jules x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sillas_luap at xxx.com Fri Jun 30 16:55:14 2000 From: sillas_luap at xxx.com (paul 'spoonbearder' sallis) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: A festival of sorts/strange days + weird mornings under canvas Message-ID: <20000630155514.5395.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Highlights + lowlights of an intents weekender: I'm still tired + I think I've permanently damaged my back sleeping on a slope of 45-degrees on "the thinnest most crappy rollmat in the world"TM. - does anyone know of any good massage parlours? -- Actually, for that matter, does anyone know of any seriously dodgy + illreputed ones ;] It was ace meeting the miniSini kids though, hello everyone , despite a shaky start involving the shocking absence of an easily-identifiable inflatable play-thing on my behalf and a couple of shy preliminary fly-by's of the people I was supposed to meet. Hey Lixi, did Cedric (or was it Alfonse???) the squeaky-legged grasshoppa' make it home in one piece? - Sorry I tried to kidnap him, but can you really blame me what with all those deranged words of wisdom + drunken wonder scrawled all over him, and besides by the end of the evening I was quite attached to the little fella' (literally). It was a magical time where expert timing + random luck strolled hand-in-hand for 3-days down the corridors of the moment, ie: I somehow managed to meet everyone I'd arranged to meet and see all the bands I really wanted to see - An unprecedented event and no mistake. I bumped into my good friend Andy completely by accident on the Friday night just before Badly Drawn Boy came on. You should have seen him, he looked impressively gnarly + spent (like: "Grizzly Adams - the early years") - which I reckon is because he misses his girlfriend Karen (who's a tattoo artist in South Carolina this summer) so much that nothing else is important to him right now, rather than anything to do with the fact that most people looked haggard + spaced-out by that point in the whole festy-thang. - Apparently the poor little pet had been handed some cake earlier in the day and his ailing tastebuds were far too slow off-the-mark to inform him that it was of the 'space' variety packed with plenty of 'groovy space-rocks', and he'd spent the rest of the day wandering around in a bit of a wide-eyed stupor - I shouldn't laugh I know but then again I was pretty badly off my own gourd by this point so it struck me as hilarious at the time. I'm sorry I lost you Sinister kids on Friday night, I wanted to make sure Andy was alright, but then he disappeared across the field to grab some food, never came back, and I didn't see him again - which was a bummer cos I then couldn't find any of you in Elliott Smith's big gay lurve tent. - Although Mr Carsmile did find me the next night, but I think I just kept blathering on about the 101 reasons why Burt Bachrach simply had to be playing the next day no-matter what the vicious rumours said - sorry about that Steve, it won't happen again honest, you just caught me at an emotional moment. I was just such a staunch disbeliever when I discovered that Burt "I'll Never Fall In Love Again" Bacharach wasn't playing, it just wasn't fair - so I threw a massive strop + sulked like it was going out of fashion or something, for like... oh minutes + minutes. - the rumours were flying I can tell you, I heard many tales of woe including: he broke his collar-bone somehow, his arm had just fallen off (as they tend to do!), both his arms had fallen off, his arms + legs had fallen off meaning that he'd get arrested in-a-second if he tried to sing along + tinkle on the old Joanna at the same time, it was a lawnmower accident of sorts, a crash involving trains and boats and planes, a wayward frisbee removed a section of his nose, and also that he'd just gone and died for no apparent reason what-so-ever!!! -- its was incredible, the gossip-mongers were loving it (hey ian, aren't one or two of these your creations???). I still don't know what did happen to him but the collarbone thing was the only feasible + repeated story I heard - although I tend to favour something involving a bottle of scrumpy and a ferret... but maybe that's just me. So a no show from Mr Bacharach was a considerably menacing cloud over an otherwise immaculate vista... That is until David "he's a metro-gnome" Bowie stepped confidently into the fray and rocked like a chicken to save the day. - He was great, no really he was, and hearing him belt-out rebel-rebel was one of the most perfect moments in my life thus far - sadly I didn't get a chance to tell him he's a beautiful person (everyone else was making far too much noise for him to pick out my little voice) but its ok cos' from his heroic performance + stance you could tell that he knew it and he knew that we knew it too. After Mr Bowie the best thing I saw was definitely The Flaming Lips... WOW what a f*cking amazing show - I saw them twice last year and they played pretty much the same stuff, but 'that' stageshow they've put together is a truly wondrous thing that left me feeling awe-struck, tingly, and even a wee bit sick inside - but even the slight icky sick feeling was good cos' it made me feel more alive, a fleeting sickness of the heart not the body. Who else was any good then... St Etienne were tops creating smiles + shiny magic, Badly Drawn Boy was a funny bearded man who even played the odd crackin' song just to break-up his comedy repertoire, Elliott Smith + Hank Williams III (yes a Hank Williams cover band!!!) both crooned their way around my heartstrings, Nearly Dan (yes a Steely Dan tribute band!!!) played 70's music in a great 80's stylee which made me laugh for about an hour, Yo La Tengo were nice'n'spicy, It's Jo & Danny played a haunting acoustic set of beauty + orchids, Spearmint + Ooberman were absolute stars + kings of everything cheesy, jangily, + indie, Black Box Recorder were frightening but in a good way (and it took me about 3 songs to realise that the female lead was actually wearing some kind of a skin-tight light-coloured outfit and that she wasn't just standing there in the buff), and the best of this lot was a fantastic all-girl funk outfit from Bristol called Mooz who played on a tiny wee bandstand in the market area and managed to groove everyone out with a selection of excellent choons (they were so happy as well, it was probably their first big'ish gig, and the smiles + energy they extolled was contagious sweeping through the throng like wildfire through a briarpatch). Who were pants then... I can't actually think of much that I really didn't like, I was dead lucky with my choices, although Dark Star + Feeder were dull as dishwater, and Rae and Christian (or was it Doves???) made me throw-up just outside the New Bands tent - it was definitely the music, honest guv', I mean what else could it be? - well that's my story and I'm sticking to it ;P Other top/pop moments: - Reading all the comments emblazoned on a certain inflatable grasshopper after he did an impromptu whirlwind tour of the beer tent - especially the one that went "I'm only writing this because the girl who handed me this thing is really scary" - Seeing the brief horrified look on Mr Carsmiles face after I offered him a giant Parma Violet in the New Band tent which he must have thought was a horse tranquilliser, or superfun-mauve-happypill, or something. (sorry Steve, but your face was a picture;) - Discovering that I'm not a Glastonbury rain-God placed on this barren sphere to bring dampness + trenchfoot to poor unsuspecting revellers of any denomination (well, for some reason I still think I AM the Glasto monsoon deity, I just had an off weekend that's all, but at least I now know I'm not the only one - thanks Cress ;) - Finally managing to leave the bloomin' place on Monday after taking 5 + 1/2 hours to traverse a small shadeless field in cramped shambling queue's awaiting an ever elusive bus to the train station. All in all though it was a bit of a top weekend. Ouch, how long + boring is this? fly away, paul. ps: Cress, if you got this far, check out the following URL for Hobotalk info: http://the-raft.com/hobotalk/ hugs + raspberry slushpuppies. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk Fri Jun 30 18:35:10 2000 From: amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk (amy_jackson0) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:35:10 +0100 Subject: Sinister: me again Message-ID: <002c01bfe2b9$8b2d6b60$021d3c3e@tinypc> hi again... yeh, i know, i only posted a couple of days ago.... but y'know how it is, you get an idea into your head and *BOOM* you've gotta go with it.... so i'm back. again. well, a lot has been going on in Land of Amy recently. I got offered a place at Glasgow Uni, to do english and sociology (i think) this year.....only i've gotta get 4 grade B's in my Highers......aah well, too late to change my exam papers now, just gotta go with what i did on exam day and hope for the best. i start my summer job on monday, which will be okay cos i basically get paid for doing nothing. it's in a wee gift shop nest to my house, that hardly anyone goes into, so i think what i'll do is take in all the b&s albums on cassette and put them on all day everyday and see if anyone recognises any of the songs. sort a b&s fan-spotting, if you will......humour me okay, work is slow and i need to keep my brain occupied! and i get to give wrong directions to the oh so annoying tourists who only come into the shops to ask where the supermarket is. many times i have been tempted to scream "FOR GOD'S SAKE, THIS IS A TINY VILLAGE IN THE OH SO BACKWARD HIGHLANDS OF SCOTLAND WITH A POPULATION OF JUST OVER 1000, THERE IS NO BLUDDY SUPERMARKET! GO TO INVERNESS!!!" (which is 85 miles away, fact fans....) sorry, i don't like giving or asking for directions.... what else has been going on? erm........ well, my mam got a new job, which is good, so tomorrow morning we're going to inverness at 7am (eek!) to shop, and i have to buy a birthday present and something to wear for t in the park and possibly the geometrid by looper.......if i can afford it...... gotta say, magda boom sounds cool, can i be your friend?! going out to a 70's night at the pub with my friend Ginger Elaine tonight....(btw, Ginger is a term of endearment where she's concerned, so don't all email me saying i'm being "gingeist" or something...) should be fun, considering neither of us were even a twinkle in our parents eyes in the 70's....i haven't spoken to her for a while, and i'm sure she has a lot of gossip from school and stuff for me. i, on the other hand, have no gossip. humph have started cooking. this is not normal, cos i don't normally go in for the whole domestic scene, but recently i've started to cook. a lot. like pancakes, soup, spaghetti bolognaise and my own personal masterpiece- strawberry cheesecake. yum. next thing i'll be hoovering and dusting and ~grimaces~ doing the washing up.... :o( mam says it's cos i know that i'm leaving home, so my brain is telling me to get domesticated. i say it's cos i've got nothing else better to do. ho hum. jenowl has been very quiet lately....must say, the noddy t shirt sounds like a piece of class. wish i'd thought of it myself actually. oh yeh, content..... saw on brookside the other night that Calum "Evil Pantomime Dame" Finnegan was shot dead. pray, a minutes silence for the man who mentioned b&s on brookside... ~pauses~ that'll do then. righty, i'm off, amy xxx ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr Burns "I suggest you leave immediately." Homer J Simpson "Or what? You'll set the dogs on me? Or the bees? Or the dogs with bees in their mouths that when they bark they shoot bees at you?!" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From margoschubert at xxx.net Fri Jun 30 20:16:22 2000 From: margoschubert at xxx.net (Margo Schubert) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:16:22 -0700 Subject: Sinister: another newbie Message-ID: <200006301923.MAA15356@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> hello all- my name is margo and i was released from the nursery about a week ago. in a burst of overexcitement about fyhc (and in mad-procrastination mode during finals week) i first wrote a post just a few days after joining the list. naturally now that i am done with school spending time writing emails is way less appealing. so instead of resending my first post i thought i'd update it a bit. i am actually a very new b&s fan, it's just been a couple months. feels like longer though, given the amount of time i have spent listening/obsessing over them. my b&s experience started on a ride home from san francisco with my stepsister alice, my brother charlie, and our friend tom, all of whom were already fans. actually on the trip we were going to reinact the moment were alice and tom first heard belle and sebastian in a record store on haight and video it (we didn't though). but on the way back we were listening to a minidisc of all the singles and i was like, "wow this is such beautiful music!". that night i had a dream that was in sort of this galaxy setting with all the starts and planets and someone was saying how belle and sebastian was the best band ever. so i began to experience some severe repressive desublimation (marcusian term for the sexualizing of objects) over needing to buy b&s albums. so about a week later i went and bought tigermilk and sinister and left the store so happy, i was just bouncing down the street. i pretty much fell in love with both those albums right away. both fyhc and arab strap have taken longer to grow on me. i want to say i feel really privileged about how accomodating my local record store is of belle and sebastian merchandise in comparison to of what some of you guys have experienced. the day i went to buy fyhc (the day it was released in the us) they had this huge b&s display in the window with about a million posters (not to mention the new album was playing) and when i walked up to the counter with fyhc the guy working there said, " i had a feeling this is what you were going to buy this when you walked in, you had that belle and sebastian gallop", which i thought was really cool. i think i am building myself a bit of a reputation there. after asking on about three separate occasions if i could have a poster or two when the display came down, they told me to leave a note for them to save me one, and when i was writing it they presented me with my very own bwtas poster, which was the one i wanted. they probably just wanted to shut me up. so, that is basically my introduction. also i am going to be travelling around europe for a month, starting on monday and will be in the uk the last week of july if there is anyone who wants to meet up in london or something or even just email me to tell me the cool places to go--i would really appreciate it. -margo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From FakingUpARampage at xxx.com Fri Jun 30 21:36:07 2000 From: FakingUpARampage at xxx.com (FakingUpARampage at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:36:07 EDT Subject: Sinister: b&s in cmj Message-ID: <32.6d2e264.268e5eb7@aol.com> hello all.. i felt like typing this up. had you guys seen the thing that cmj printed last month? the 'open letter to belle and sebastian' where they made more mistakes then anything else. singles by Douglas Wolk, august 2000: its a little perverse to release an album at the same time as a single thats not on it, but Belle & Sebastian is nothing if not a little perverse. "Legal Man"is no where to be found on the band's new album Fold Your Hands Child You Walk Like A Peasant -- but it really wouldnt have fit in there anyway. One hundred and sixty-two seconds of a groovy congo-driven beat with a lead sitar, novelty lyrics (for a love song in legal diction: Notwithstanding* provisions of clauses 1,2,3 and 4/ Extend the contractual period, me and you forevermore*), low budget organ and bleached-blonde girl-group backing vocals, ending with a call to go outside and enjoy the sunshine, its best understood in British tradition of Northern Soul: ultra-obscure 60s soul 45s played at casino discotheques in the North of England. On the surface, its something of an aberration for the band, but on further reflection if fits in neatly with the group's fascination with youth culture -- and Northern soul that was the most joyful kind of youth culture Britain has ever had. The disc is rounded out by guitarist Stevie Jackson's tender "Winter Wooske," a longtime highlight of B&S shows, and a chirpy two-part instrumental inexplicably called "Judy Is a Dick Slap." ____ xo Jes +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rtoad at xxx.net Fri Jun 30 22:14:19 2000 From: rtoad at xxx.net (Rob Lorenson) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:14:19 -0700 Subject: Sinister: So I made another convert... In-Reply-To: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E22DB3E41@SERVER1> Message-ID: <200006302110.OAA08583@avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net> On my introduction the other day I forgot to mention I'm Scottish. >From Lochwinnoch, in the shadow of our family's castle, Castle Semple. Now to the ranty stuff... My Language Partner came over today, rode a bike 6 miles even though I offered to drive her. 94 degrees F. Her cream shirt showed signs of sweat, as did her grey shorts. Calls herself "Kent" because it's close to her name. A Bankok Angel, brilliant Lotus Flower in some metallic Symphony. She gave me a picture of the Grand Center, "we meeting there," she said. Her english isn't all that good. Bloody horrible, but that's why I am here. "This is just a modern rock song," was playing on my CD, and she stood there for a lengthy pause, listening to the song, and then looked at the cover. Then looked at me. "I like these," she said, smiling. Face shiny rays, I keep my room dark because my eyes are photo-sensitive. I keep my office dark so people don't bother me. I keep my car dark because I hate glare. "I get some." She tried to make out the name by reading it. She's going back to Thailand in 2 weeks or so. It came out sounding like "Belly and Seebaysteean." I corrected her, gave her the CD. "I'll send you more when I can find some," I said. It's hard to get B & S in Riverside. I'll have to go to L.A. or Orange County, maybe visit the old record shop on Main St., right between the Mexican Auto Shop, the Mexican Grocers, and the guy who stands on the corner shouting Bible verses in German, who dresses like Moses, who has long white hair and a beard that matches. He's been there for years, apparently. People throw change at him, although he's not homeless. Once he said he was an engineer, once he had his heroes. But now he's insane rambling mad, wandering MacArthur and Main St. shouting Bible verses and trying to pick up pretty Hispanic girls. Someone should write a song about him. Kent thanked me profusely, embarassed because she had nothing to return. Gave me a deep bow, and we helped each other for a while, and then she left and I ate some natto. Then I went to the bank and the post office, to send some packages to Japan. Happy in the fact that I made another B & S convert. I don't even think they have any kind of fan base in Thailand, do they? WELL, NOW THEY DO! BWAHAHAHAHA! This weekend I'm going to the anime expo, probably Sunday or Monday. Anaheim, I think. I'll be the one dressed in normal clothes, looking at all the people dressed like Sailor Moon and those CHYX from Bubblegum Crisis. I got in two years ago on an industry pass. But not this time. "I only buy a book for the way it looks, then I put it on the shelf again. I can tell you what I'm thinking, But it never seems to do you good. It's beyond me what a girl can see, I'm only lucid when I'm writing songs." -- Belle and Sebastian http://home.earthlink.net/~rtoad WHAT WAS I THINKING? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lixibell at xxx.com Fri Jun 30 23:43:47 2000 From: lixibell at xxx.com (alix campbell) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:43:47 GMT Subject: Sinister: of drum machines and cellular phones Message-ID: <20000630224347.89695.qmail@hotmail.com> yeh, hello i'll get glastonbury out of the way first. the music was mostly shit. david bowie has a girl's haircut. i mean, like a fucking blow dry nightmare. david, what were you thinking? elliot smith didn't move me either. he was one of the 'they might be good' people whom i tend to ration so that i can discover them when i feel the need to. this may be a slightly anal tendency. anyway, turns out he's not all that. damn shame. st. etienne made the sun come out, and were lovely. i have never been so pleased to see anyone as i was to see sarah cracknell. i was determined to enjoy the flaming lips, mainly because of an american girl next to me who kept telling me how rad they would be. i admired her enthusiasm, and the F.Lips were lovely anyway. fake blood a-go-go. oddly, i enjoyed the pet shop boys a whole truck load. it reminded me of the rollerdisco when i was little. it was nice to meet other sinister fools at glastonbury. i apologise if i smelled, but you probabaly did too. the grasshoppa is still with me, despite paul's many attempts to kidnap the poor thing. i do worry about mentioning it, as it's just a slightly very obscure reference. but believe me, its more interesting not knowing. i make friends with liars because although i know they don't tell me the truth, they tell more interesting tales. as long as i know that it might not be true. well, where was i? yes, glastonbury. truth told, i didnt have much fun, mainly for my own reasons, but also because i'd mistakenly thought i could cope without proper facilities. and i'm basically a grumpy old cow. i'm not sure why i began writing this. i think i should finish. i have to get up again in six and a half hours. there's drag queens coming round my house tomorrow, and i've decided to start writing my life story. get it out of the way as soon as possible. love lixi ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+