From ol01 at xxx.uk Mon May 1 13:25:53 2000 From: ol01 at xxx.uk (The Narrow Wizard) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:25:53 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Watching trees decompose. Message-ID: THE GREATEST ROCK AND ROLL SWINDLE B&S selling out, oh dear what will you lot think of next. Selling out is not something you do by becoming popular, or famous, or rich. Selling out is what happens when you start making music which you don't particularly like just because it will make you popular, famous and rich. Last time I checked, songs about being raped (the chalet lines) did not fall into the category of popular appeal. I don't think we need to worry just yet. SCARY GIRLS yep, they scare the hell out of me. They used to scare me by being strange mysterious creatures floating through the world as if they were on a different plane of reality than me. I had an inability to talk to them and they weren't too bothered by that fact. Now they scare me differently though, They come and talk to me, try to sleep with me, just so much meat. My girlfriend scares me most of all, I'm not used to being liked so much, seeing someone smile just 'cos I've walked into the room. Its unsettling, I think I might have to break it of with her, I don't want to be the focus of attention, I'm not worthy of it and I'm not responsible enough to be her dream. FINISHING UNIVERSITY Chris Paluch's last mail had stuff in about leaving uni in a few weeks, go re-read it and then pretend that I wrote it 'cos that's what I would have said if I was half as elequent as him. (now don't get big headed Chris) speaking of uni I managed to hand in 30,000 words on friday so no more coursework for me, ever. Just two exams and then I'm free to be...erm ... unemployed. GLASGOW ON SATURDAY I'll see some of you there if I can get some money from somewhere by then, believe it or not I'm due a grant check soon (yes they give me some of my grant with two weeks left at uni and only two exams to do, I've been so poor for the rest of the year) so If it's cleared in time I'll be there with some lovely cake or something. RANDOM LYRICS TO SHOW WHAT A COOL GUY I AM BY BEING INTO COOL MUSIC I don't need to worry cos I wrote the end myself, and there's no fame and fortune, cos love scares them both away. Damon and Naomi, 'we're not there' THE DEATH OF HUGH GRANT Well its been months since anyone told me I look like hugh grant so I guess it wasn't true and I was right all along, I do look more like shaggy from scooby doo. Strangely though I've now been told that I look like Ruud van whatsit who Man U were going to pay 19 million for before his knee disintegrated. Hey sir alex, my knee's fine, give me the job. bye, owen With that the narrow wizard waggled his bushy eyebrows and disappeared in a flash of blue flame leaving behind only a faint smell of cinnamon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glen.mitchell at xxx.com Mon May 1 18:21:41 2000 From: glen.mitchell at xxx.com (Glen) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 18:21:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: girls ARE scary Message-ID: <004101bfb391$b94686a0$fd1c01d5@oemcomputer> I am very confused. Last night at the beach the girlfriend of one of my best mates started flirting with me. Stuff like randomly putting her arm round me, saying I was really sweet etc etc. Now I had never really noticed it before, but she suddenly became very attractive to me. This worries me, obviously as she is taken. I think. My friend and her may not even be going out anymore, they never really spend time together or anything. Then today as we were playing football at the park she came down and started talking to these other boys she knows. I was quite *jealous*. Why? I am hoping I was just feeling that way as she was giving me attention last night but not today. But whenever she does give me attention I don't feel comfortable. Why must girls be this way? Why must I be this way? Sorry to bore you with my silly stories, but I'm bored. Glen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jellybabs at xxx.com Mon May 1 20:51:05 2000 From: jellybabs at xxx.com (Katy Dutton) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 12:51:05 PDT Subject: Sinister: girls ARE scary. Boys are scary too. Message-ID: <20000501195105.87292.qmail@hotmail.com> Boys have to be counted as scary too. Like the other day I had to go to the shop for my mum. I parked my car on my wee village high street and stepped out to go to the shop. I was wearing a skirt. not a short one, a below-knee one, very decent and twee etc. I was promptly leered at by 4 rudeboys sitting on the bench outside the shop. Maybe it should be 'rudeboys are scary'. Actually, 'townies' in general, if you know what I mean. Exhibit number 2: 'Scary girls'. In my A-Level Art class, I just got in and I had my denim jacket on with my twee B&S-badge turned obediently upside-down. This girl (the one who has a penchant for 'banging choons!'...the one who frequently says (adopts pseudo-London, lazy accent, although in Nottingham) 'Nah! Went ahhht this weekend t' Isis, pulled a bloke, Nah!') promptly came up to me (I was absorbed in pretty tree pictures,listening to Sinister on my walkman, and said 'What's Belle and Sebastian?'. Needlesss to say, I just rolled my eyes in a moment of confidence, and when that passed, I just ran away blushing. I think someone else said 'Errr they won that Brit thingy didn't they?'. Scary girls, all of 'em. I mean, who else would enjoy going out and listening to 'trance' music every night, pulling a minimum of 7 highly-gelled blokes, buying new covers for their mobile phones and bringing their laptops to school? Only scary girls. I guess that just turned into a rant generally against 'them', huh? Sorry. Oh, and sorry for lack of content. I just hate 'em. Them and their lack of appreciation of twee. Anyway. Love, Katy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- '9 more days of school, 9 more days of school!' ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sadandsentimental at xxx.com Mon May 1 20:52:07 2000 From: sadandsentimental at xxx.com (Curtis Heath) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:52:07 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Uncle Dad Message-ID: Hello once again, In regards to selling out: Remember back when Stuart, the bass player, left the band? ...to pursue his other artistic endeavours... WOW! Who knew his mates would go on to become the Beatles? If he would've stayed just a few months more, he would've become a millionaire and gone down in history as one of the fab five. But instead he just croaked, right at the beginning of it all! What an amazing story of irony! That could never happen again. History doesn't repeat itself like that. I'd love to tell you all great new stories of the kiddies on my bus, but they're all behaving themselves now... and my job's become quite boring. But I DO remember ONE thing from my previous job as a Telephone Triage Nurse for Columbia Hospitals: A little boy called in one morning, weeping heavily and whispering something about his mother being pregnant... At first I thought he was sad at the prospect of having a new sibling steal all his attention. But why would he be calling a hospital? His mom was in the bathtub washing up, and he was in the living room crying and whispering so she wouldn't overhear. It turns out she wasn't pregnant at all. The pubescent boy had taken a bath just before her, and uh... discovered himself. He knew a bit about 'the facts of life' and put 2 and 2 together. Poor kid. I told him "Congratulations, you're going to be a father!" No, I told him not to worry... And you know what?! It's a true story. But I didn't really hear it on the phone. Actually, that boy was my father! And my brother. And my uncle. well. hope that was entertaining. have fun! Curtis Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dunca_chap at xxx.com Mon May 1 21:55:56 2000 From: dunca_chap at xxx.com (Adam Chapman) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 20:55:56 GMT Subject: No subject Message-ID: <20000501205557.35783.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello people, its been a long time and i thought that i should probably show my face [metaphorically speaking of course, none of you i suspect are REALLY bothered about seeing it], just because i felt like it and that the issue of B+S popularity has risen again from the great undead mass and i never got round to commenting on it in the first place. My thought, if such it can be called is this; B+S make quite glorious P!O!P! and the idea of music is at some level to be heard and felt. The implication of this is that music is an individual experience and thus does it actually matter how many people listen to it? judging by the number of say, REM fans knocking around the list i should say not but thats not to say that any of you see REM, or indeed B+S in exactly the same way, its just that both hold a certain appeal at one level which the members of this list find sufficiently to share, albeit as part of 'communities' of differing sizes [though to be fair, REM have been at it a hell of a long time by P!O!P! standards]. Hope someone amongst the c. 1300 found that of some interest... Noticed the word 'Townies' in a couple of recent posts, now sorry to sound ignorant, having had a rural upbringing and all, and thus not sharing such cosmopolitan language [or if it comes to that being deliberately thick, just for once, i seek information on something that bothers me...], its just that where i come from, 'Townies' are annoying people who leave gates open whilst wondering in the wrong direction wearing green wellies and allowing their dogs to chase small children. however, i suspect from the context that it means those perpetually dressed in sportsware whilst being Destinies Child/Stereophonics fans. Sorry if this display of petty ignorance annoys anyone, or indeed offers the impression that i am but a simple country boy [heavens, Tony Blair claims this folks], but it makes a change from people asking for a definition of 'Twee'... Adam (apologising for excessive length) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From iaradcliffe at xxx.com Mon May 1 22:30:00 2000 From: iaradcliffe at xxx.com (Iain Radcliffe) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 22:30:00 BST Subject: Sinister: "First Post" is an accurate, if uninspired subject. Message-ID: <20000501213000.54952.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello folks, I've decided to emerge, like Mole, blinking into the glare of exposure to the list - however warm and friendly its embrace. I hope you tolerate this kind of pretentiousness (Yes, of course you do.) Quite. I'm annoyed, because I was all set to go to the Glasgow meet-up, to find some people who actually appreciate B & S. I was going to bring scotch eggs and pop in a glass bottle (refundable to the tune of of 20 English p). It's quite unusual for me to have any sort of plan fur das wochenende in advance 'n' all. But alas, on checking the work diary this morning through the glazed eyes of a weekend dominated by late nights and bad videos, I discovered that I have to work Friday night and Saturday...merde et aussi triste. But at least I get Thursday off. What a prospect. Thursday in sunny Perth. I know nobody, so I think I'll just buy a haircut and watch some paint dry. Maybe indulge in some wanton act of vandalism in the name of anarchist revolution. Maybes no. I used to go to Uni in Edinburgh, and met all my friends there, so now I've got a job in Perth and am living with my parents again. It's ok, if slightly boring and lonely occassionally. Still, I can amuse myself with music, books/films, daydreaming, cocoa, and all the delightful sinister post. Oh yes, content. Legal man is bluddy grate (?) and does sound like Eurotrash. If anyone is thinking of going to T in the Park, do they fancy meeting up ? I get free tickets from work, but not a complimentary person to go with them, so some company would be nice. Right, that would seem to cover it. I'm off to finish my song about Anna Kournikova, the sulky Russian starlet. Night, night. Love Iain ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From edb213 at xxx.edu Mon May 1 22:35:26 2000 From: edb213 at xxx.edu (Eric D Brasure) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: all you need is fame Message-ID: mr. wizard sez:< Selling out is not something you do by becoming popular, or famous, or rich. Selling out is what happens when you start making music which you don't particularly like just because it will make you popular, famous and rich.> true enough. but, after hearing "legal man" for the first time yesterday night, I have to admit that it sounds suspicious. I don't entertain the notion that b&s made the song with the explicit intent of getting on the charts, but it sure sounds like it. the beatles got away with this sort of thing 'cause, well, they were the beatles. I just don't know... and it's certaintly not fair to play this game until we've all heard the album. (and for those of you who haven't heard "legal man" yet, one comment: music to gyrate to). in other news, my semester is almost over and I will be returing home for the summer to slave away at a scary corporation. oh, someone give me a list crush. I feel neglected. bye, eric +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jules at xxx.cx Mon May 1 21:59:51 2000 From: jules at xxx.cx (Julie) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:59:51 -0400 Subject: Sinister: The owls are like, totally not what they seem. Message-ID: <000b01bfb3b0$31f1a800$aa587a80@jas277.nyu.edu> If I survive these fookin' final exams, I promise I'll never skip class again. Bloody hell. Sorry, I was just practicing a bit for my upcoming trip to the UK...as soon as exams are over I'll be on a silver bird to London to frolic with the Sinisterites. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the academy, and all of the lovelies on this list who are letting Megan and I stay with them. We weren't looking forward to sleeping on the street...and we couldn't use our money for hotels because we're saving it all for Kindereggs. Big kisses to honeypie and the Lovely Linda with whom I will frolic in the Scottish heather...do you do that in Scotland, frolic in the heather? ...and of course to Mark in Lundun, but if your girlfriend gets upset, Mark, I take those kisses back...and Racheeeeeeeee-l in Manchester (oh boy, the flagship Boots store, the QAF gay bars, and two cute kitty cats!!). Oh, and I get to meet KEITH WATSON, the inspiration for auntkeith, I'm so excited. I think auntkeith has a crush on me. Every time she talks to me, she asks me if I fancy a pint! All these pints! Is she trying to get me drunk? Is she going to slip me a roofie?? Speaking of KEITH WATSON, my ex-suitemate had a boyfriend named Keith, and whenever he came over she would exclaim "KEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIFY!" in a shrill voice which was so mockable that I soon found myself joining in. Keith could no longer step into the apartment without three girls screeching "KEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFFFFFYYYYY!" at him as loudly as we could. But I'm sure he loved it, three gawgeous women shouting a relative term of endearment at him. Now that Joanne and Keith are gone, I may have to transfer my screeching at this other laddish Keith. Hmm. Now. Belle & Sebastian! I must say that from what I've heard of the new album (which is perhaps 4 songs), I think I am going to like it very much. It may become my summer soundtrack this year. (Last summer the Magnetic Fields Wayward Bus/Distant Plastic Trees album was my summer soundtrack, no WONDER I'm always depressed) This may be a good opportunity to share with you how I got into Belle & Sebastian. In the fall of 1998, I returned to NYU to find that my roommate was none other than Miss Megan Lehar. This of course didn't mean jack to me at the time. But anyway, we moved in to our wee room in the Samuel Rubin International Residence Hall, and I thought she hated me, so I spent most of my time curled up in a ball in the corner. Eventually we discovered a mutual love of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and things got better. Soon this TWATTYBUS album came out, and she bought it, and she played it CONSTANTLY (on my stereo I might add! Roommates, hmph!), I couldn't escape it. Soon after there was a cry of "BELLE & SEBASTIAN ARE PLAYING IN NEW YORK!" and everyone was all excited and I felt rather dizzy and I wasn't sure I was allowed to go because all of these people I didn't know were going (Brian and Matt and Laurel and...) and I wasn't sure if they'd want me tagging along. Then Megan bought me a ticket to one of the shows for my birthday. After the show, Stu D asked me to come back stage where there was an enormous party, replete with an ice sculpture and a champagne waterfall. We all danced til dawn, then went to the top of the Empire State Building to watch the sun rise. Oh, what a night it was! Um, okay, that last part didn't happen. But I did go to the show, and it was fun, and now I'm anticipating the new B&S album with the eagerness of a full-blown sinisterite. Next, I'd like to say some nice things about WILL PORTER. Will Porter is so sweet, isn't he?? And so smart! He's going to have his master's degree in a few weeks, you know. Smart, generous, well educated, handsome...why, he's the type of boy my mother always told me to marry! He is, indeed, the Agent Cooper to my Audrey Horne. Finally, some shout outs to my homeez on the list. Mad propz to my fellow New York ne'er-do-wellz. Starry Sarah, Damooooon, Teddy-bear Whalen, Marie-Rock, Llaura and all y'all from #sinister...(you can't see me, but I just tapped my chest twice, you're close to my heart, my bruthaz). And a super-special shout out to mattwardfhnn at hotmail.com who emailed me after my last post and told me it was GOOD DRIVEL, thank you so much mysterious Matt! You made me feel so welcome. If you were dead, I'd pour a 40 on the ground for you. Back to studying now, don't tell Megan I drank one of her DPs. Love, Julie "It's only pop music, why are you asking me all these questions!?" -Robbie Williams +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From adam_dbt at xxx.com Mon May 1 23:35:11 2000 From: adam_dbt at xxx.com (adam dobrodt) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: "Sarcasm and the Great Beyond": a post in three parts Message-ID: <20000501223511.15480.qmail@web1611.mail.yahoo.com> (first: my name was first Adam Dobrodt, then adam d, and now adam dobrodt again, but in lower case letters, just so you don't think there are 6 adams on the list) HELLO SINISTER PEOPLE! first, some responses: julie said: "If I survive these fookin' final exams, I promise I'll never skip class again. Bloody hell." MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY slightly before this, chris paluch said: "Sorry for this long semi personal letter, but I kinda felt it was necessary in some way. Sorry for saying sorry." i do this all the time, saying sorry for saying sorry and then you catch yourself doing it twice and then need to apologize for saying it in the first place and then stutter and say something like, "i'm sorr...er...i didn't mean to say sorr...er...fuck!" and it leaves people staring at you and you then turn red and smile funny and change the subject. hmmm. SIBLINGS are any of your siblings on this list? just wondering cause my brother recently subscribed and is in the nursery. of course this means we can all mock him and possibly slander his name before he gains a voice and make a grand time of it all in the process! his name is david/dave and he was introduced to b+s by ME. thank you. you're welcome. LEGAL MAN bluddy grate B+S SELLING OUT *giggles* hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee. no chance. B+S BECOMING POPULAR possibly maybe (probably not) IMPORTANT NOTICE recently, people have been getting confused over whether something i write is me trying to be sarcastic. such as when i compliment someone. in light of this, i have devised a system to tell whether i am being sarcastic (anyone can pick this up if they want to). when i am being sarcastic i will start the phrase with ^^ and end it with ^^ such as: ^^gee, its a fine day for bundling up and building snow forts and snowmen and making snow angels!^^ you see, it is actually quite warm and i am wearing a t-shirt. sarcasm. and with that i end my post. thank you, hugs and kisses, adam d. ps. name-dropping mention of: WILL PORTER (that should make him happy) PPS. ^^it sure is grate that i am not in the middle of nowhere wisconSIN and can meet up with lots of sinisterites for a picnic!^^ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From k.watson at xxx.uk Mon May 1 23:39:19 2000 From: k.watson at xxx.uk (Keith Watson) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:39:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The owls are like, totally not what they seem. In-Reply-To: <000b01bfb3b0$31f1a800$aa587a80@jas277.nyu.edu> Message-ID: Hello again list... two posts in a month can't be bad, beats the twice an hour rate I used to keep up. Julie is worried that when she and Megan come over that auntkeith is going to try and slip her a chimney apparently. I wouldn't worry about that, I'm a super polite sort of a person, and Mr.Honey imbues "auntkeith" my evil aunt, with extra-saucy qualities not normally present in me - whilst sober at least. I'm coming down to London like Dick Whittington on Wednesday, so I guess I'll see some of you around. In fact I may be coming down to rule, like Ken Livingstone or whatever, so watch out. Nice to see the Duke back writing to the list too. It's good having the odd famous person around, like when Henry Thomas from E.T. was on the list. I joined Henry Thomas's email list in retaliation at that time, but it was rubbish. All that happened was after about a month someone wanted to sell Henry's domain www.henrythomas.com . Never mind Henry, you should rejoin the sinister list - you've got friends here. Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From secretmysterydate at xxx.com Mon May 1 23:44:08 2000 From: secretmysterydate at xxx.com (brand new shoes) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 18:44:08 EDT Subject: Sinister: countdown... Message-ID: <20000501224408.27005.qmail@hotmail.com> quickly, as this will have very little b+s in it at all... i am in my last week of classes as an undergrad. it is fab. and oh how the work now seems completely unrelated to school, my senior show taking placing long after final grades will be done and gone, the search for a fab warehouse space begins and the tickets, so lovely and new, to across the sea, have arrived. i am on pins and needles waiting to change my personal ID info from "student" to "unemployed". :) alright, so b+s related... any news on whether i will catch the gang on their US tour, if I am gone from may25th to july 25th? any ideas? I am scared. if anyone sees them and talks to them, tell them to wait for me... if anyone wants to meet up while i am in london, in late may or early june, before i run off to greece and other locations across the continent, they should let me know how to contact them. i am very nice and not a psychopath, i will by you a drink, if i have cookies on me at the time, i will share them, so let me know. i would love to meet some of you lovely people... :) ummmm... for pittsburgh/near pittsburgh folk, the Ready Set, my little indi-pop project, will be playing on May 19th. I will let you know the address, it will be, coincidentally, at the reception for my show. (obviously, this is not a real gig, we have only practiced three times, and i organized it, but i promise, we are super good :) ) mmm on the topic of selling out... i don't think they will and until i hear "stars of track and field" behind some nike advert, and they all get matching white suits and a DJ spinning behind them, i won't believe it. i didn't look down on liz phair or tracy chapman or pj harvey when they all had their moments of popularity, and i wouldn't think of it for our lovely b+s. when something is quality, we should be glad when everyone gets a chance to appreciate it. i don't think they will change for the scene, b/c it is doing what they do that makes them so lovely. or something, that was kind of redundant, but you understand. anyway. love to all of you. yours sam ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cartoonclouds at xxx.uk Tue May 2 01:15:46 2000 From: cartoonclouds at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?b=20Tilston?=) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 01:15:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Shortest post in the world Message-ID: <20000502001546.17076.qmail@web4305.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Sinistereenies, Second post - How exciting! B&S are DEFINATELY more popular than ever...my mum likes them! ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From porterww at xxx.edu Tue May 2 03:35:32 2000 From: porterww at xxx.edu (Will Porter) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:35:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Sinister: Half-nickel: moved to tears a second time . . . Message-ID: . . . by the weighty fact of having been moved to tears the first. Julie (isn't she delightful? I'm so glad she's taken to posting.) said: > Next, I'd like to say some nice things about WILL PORTER. Will Porter > is so sweet, isn't he?? And so smart! He's going to have his master's > degree in a few weeks, you know. Smart, generous, well educated, > handsome... For which I must thank her for being the loveliest liar in the world. She continues: > why, he's the type of boy my mother always told me to marry! > He is, indeed, the Agent Cooper to my Audrey Horne. To which I can only respond (in my best Kylie Minogue voice), "I should be so lucky." I had a job interview today. It didn't go well, which is too bad because the job for which I was interviewing sounded interesting and paid a lot. HURRY UP PLEASE ITS TIME I'm almost done with school. At least this particular iteration. I keep finding graduate programs that sound interesting. Like the Popular Culture program at Bowling Green. So here I am, stuck in the middle, where dogs go on with their doggy life, where one stumbles over the bramble of 'blackberry'. This is supposed to be the part where the limerick gets funny. We shall see. I am glad April is over. On the other hand, I'll be unsubscribing soon as my email address fades into the ether and I'll be away from #sinister probably for quite a while. Sigh. okay, I have once again managed to post without having anything to say. OH, but I don't know if I like Legal Man, because the version I heard was so bad that I couldn't even hear the singers. Caddy smells like trees. that is all. love, will +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From timothy at xxx.net Tue May 2 11:04:30 2000 From: timothy at xxx.net (Scampi) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:04:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I'll have a jacket potato with mine please Message-ID: <006901bfb41d$d3631300$2a00010a@hostb42.internal.zone> hi, Scary Women... Mums with pushchairs in woolworths. Definitely the scariest of all. Where ever I try and hide, they are there, bearing down on me at great speed with the baby waving a mug tree that it grabbed in the previous aisle menacingly at my legs. Very scary. On the buses... Somebody mentioned a love affair on a national express coach and it just made me wonder what it was about coaches as they have to be one of the most uncomfortable ways of travelling around and yet they are this hotbed of lust and love. Everyone I know has had some sort of romantic adventure with a complete stranger whilst driving down the M6, in fact friend of mine met his girlfriend at leeds coach station while having a cigarette break on the trip up to glasgow. Hardly the most romantic setting really. I think that they must pump pheromones into the air conditioning system or something. Or spike the sandwiches. It's summer... Yesterday was sooo nice. I went into newcastle and sat in the street outside monument metro station in the gorgeous sunshine armed with a mini milk, and there was a steel pan band playing and all was really summery and happy. I like the summer. scampi.x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From serram at xxx.es Tue May 2 16:49:44 2000 From: serram at xxx.es (Sergio Ramirez De Arellano Moreno) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:49:44 +0000 Subject: Sinister: BOWLIE WEEKENDER Message-ID: <200005021350.PAA16428@kuma.upv.es> Hello, I'm trying to find out the list of songs that Belle and Sebastian played on the bowlie weekender. A friend is going to send me a casette with the concert and there are a few songs that he doesn't know. So please, ¿Can you help me? Thanks very much Sergio Ramirez +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Tue May 2 15:53:32 2000 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:53:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Mondo '77 Message-ID: <000001bfb446$7af8cf60$c64e073e@default> Hi Fragrant Ones, The new Looper single was available in UK shops today, & I like it. Well done Mr. David & Co. - wait for a call for it to be the new Levi Staprest theme. What a crap post, which is purely a pretext for circulating the new sig. Please check the URL therein if in the UK. Thanks a lot. Regards, David Moore PLEASE help find my missing son Stephen! www.sanlorenzo.f9.co.uk/missing.htm +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hewits at xxx.uk Tue May 2 12:12:27 2000 From: hewits at xxx.uk (stephen hewitt) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:12:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Get out of the office... Message-ID: <9188A3453EEED111BD7300805FEDEB69010D1567@park_ex> ello kiddywinks LEGAL MAN: Sounds like freedesign, in my world anyway, not that i know much about them apart from a song Mr Kevan put on his tapetreetape, but that is what they sound like. Has the most fantastic over the top "animal" style drumming in the world. Richard obviously thought, "i'm not going to get many chances to give it some stick, may as well make the most of it" RADIO 1 THINGY Is anyone going who *isn't* on this list? Following conversations over the weekend and JAmes' post, we seem to have at least half of them. Can someone take a laptop and mobile type combination and then relay the whole shebang to #sinister please, go on, you know you want to :) WEEKENDS In LUN-DING are GRATE (or in fact any weekends involving meeting up with you lovely people). ello to everyone who was at Baxendale drinking cheap turkish lager, sorry i missed the sunday meetup, one has to be a dutiful son-in-law once in a while. Can't wait for the next one in 3 weeks time !Y!A!Y! Do we have a list of WORLD TWEE PICNIC DAY picnics yet? Go on then, I'll compile a list if people want to send me details, yes that includes you who are having little ones on your own or at your desk SELLING OUT Don't get me started... SCARINESS boys and girls aren't really scary, not the nice ones anyway, confusing, yes, confused, prolly but hey, most of them won't bite, don't be a sadarse like I was, flipping well talk to them, go on, make a sad old man happy :) xoxo CarsmileSteve there had better be a bar at the new bands stage this year... http://www.egroups.com/group/siniglasto +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wayne_fortune at xxx.com Tue May 2 17:02:29 2000 From: wayne_fortune at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Wayne=20Fortune?=) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 09:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Mummy's Band Message-ID: <20000502160229.14814.rocketmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Hey sinister, how's things? I was just musing over this 'selling out' debate and thought I would put my tuppence worth in. As much as B & S have the appropriate songs for big P!O!P! success, I can't see pre-pubescent Steps fans swarming to join this list. And this is an integral part of the addiction of B & S, the cult-like baggage that goes along with it. b Tilston said >B&S are DEFINATELY more popular than ever...my mum >likes them! This is the point - my mum likes them too, and while B& S can achieve this sort of popularity, my mum is still unlikey to be buying any records and joining sinister... Love Ba Ba __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk Tue May 2 17:08:12 2000 From: mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk (fiona) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:08:12 BST Subject: Sinister: mmm... the satisfaction... Message-ID: <7C8E0FB19B5@mail1.mcc.ac.uk> ...of deleting 200 or so sinister posts. thats probably not a healthy reaction, or a good thing to admit, judging by the tone of the few i did read, but i promise i'll try and be good. on my way into the library to start aforementioned deleting task i passed a boy i didn't recognise wearing a colourblind t-shirt, hello if it was someone on here, and if it wasn't then this is just the latest in a long line of foolish and unnecessary paragraphs typed by my fair hands. now, i'm definitely on the don't want to hear it, don't want to know anything fingers in the ears, lalalala i can't hear you side of the fence, but if anyone in the vicinity isn't hopefully, there will be some tunes from it played at a night i shouldn't admit my involvment with, but you won't tell anyone, will you, on 11th may at big hands, oxford road, manchester, emailly me for more details, although there aren't really many yet. just noticed that i didn't use a single full stop there, now i'm really proud. fiona's diy service having (once again) spent my holiday working for the fine company that is homebase, i thought you might like me to share with you a part of the experience that is dhopping in a diy store (hardware store for our us viewers) customer approaches information desk customer: i wonder if you could help me fiona: of course customer launches into long and comlicated discourse about plumbing / power tools / electrical faults ' etc. fiona: (looking blank) i'll just get someone to help you with that fiona mumbles something incoherent into tannoy moments pass customer: is anybody coming? fiona: i'll call them again fiona mumbles slightly more loudly and a great deal more assertively into tannoy moments pass, still no-one has arrived customer: don't worry about it fiona: i'll try and find someone for you customer: don't bother, this is why i go to b+q, they're always helpfull and they're cheaper fiona: i'm very sorry... customer: well its just not good enough, what's your name, i'll see the manager next time i come in fiona: but, but... customer storms out fiona cries so remember, send all your diy queries to fiona c/o sinister etc. thank-you for scrolling down this far, i wouldn't have bothered love and jaffa cakes, fiona remember http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/worldofirnbru a club for twee scottish pop cheers to all the sinistereenies who have joined, everyone is welcome in what is now the biggest irn-bru club on yahoo. pleeease come and take a look, it'll brighen my day hugely. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From idleberry at xxx.com Tue May 2 17:13:45 2000 From: idleberry at xxx.com (idle berry) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 09:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: two down, two to go. Message-ID: <20000502161345.8272.qmail@web616.mail.yahoo.com> two down two to go. essays I mean. you lot are a bunch of scaredy cats. scared of boys, scared of girls, scared of yourselves. odd. ah well. ===== http://www.geocities.com/idleberry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jellybabs at xxx.com Tue May 2 18:23:19 2000 From: jellybabs at xxx.com (Katy Dutton) Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 10:23:19 PDT Subject: Sinister: Hellooooo Message-ID: <20000502172319.3339.qmail@hotmail.com> Okay er, I got a list crush vote. A little strange, seeing as I hardly *ever* post (especially anything of value, content-wise. Or anything coherent, come to think of it). So, come on, show yourselves. Normally I'd know who it was - 'the old man' - but he doesn't have internet access at the moment. Unless he's being sneaky at doing it in the library or something. But if it's someone else, come on, own up! You poor deluded soul... Ahem. Onto matters...er...lofty . Well actually, I can't think of any right now. Except that I'm especially annoyed because nowhere in Nottingham had a copy of 'The Girls of Summer EP' by Arab Strap (with Struan on vocals. Admittedly it's old, but...hmph anyway). On the other hand, I picked up The Handsome Family's new album for �10 so I'm quite happy about that. I can get back to my country roots 'n all. Lots of love, Katy. Sitting in a towel. Grrrr, come on, I have to entice you poor misled voter(s? Teehee) somehow... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From duke at xxx.uk Tue May 2 20:01:13 2000 From: duke at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:01:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: getting old and losing threads In-Reply-To: <20000502172319.3339.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: I like all this talk about B&S selling out and I like it because it makes me think of a few things I used to love about B&S and that seemed to somehow inevitably get lost along the ways of the last couple of years. See, I used to totally love the idea that they were totally and resolutely Non-Rock, the definition of which would be ah, well that would be telling. Actually it would just be boring for the few people interested because they’ve all heard it before, a long long time ago and for those of you who haven’t a clue what I’m wittering about (the vast majority I dare say) all I can do is suggest you go look in the archives because, as people will no doubt tell you, that is what archives are for. I’ll try my very best to be brief. See, I used to love the fact that B&S appeared (and I think that’s an important word) to shun all the traditional rock media structures, both in their music and in the way they conducted themselves. There was a real sense of mystery about the group, a real sense that there was a carefully constructed Pop myth in the making, and that although the very notion of a self-creating myth is pretty trad in itself, it was refreshing that the reference points were unusual; the Felt references, the obvious Love suggestions (cropping up again I rather think, on one of the few current moments to make my heart sing), the Postcard obsession, the notion of political intent through action (and inaction) rather than rhetoric. The shrinking from the limelight if you will, the darkness of the soul illuminated by the brightest lights. If you know what I mean. I mean, I am not kidding here; I was fucking OBSESSED with this band for a long time and for sure they will always mean a lot for being instrumental in making me delighted about Pop again, but the fact is that because there was no real obvious mediated image of the band; no real notion of them BEING anything except whatever you as an individual wanted, well, because of that they could be, and were, EVERYthing. All at once. The fact is that I’ve not felt the same way since the release of Arab Strap, a record I loved for the great moments and detested for the weak links. I wasn’t really prepared for B&S to falter I guess, which is completely unfair and is my problem and my problem alone, but hey It was almost as though by knowingly trying to be too many things all at once they were suddenly incapable of being very much at all, and to go from being all things at once to that, well, it’s kind of a shock is all. It’s funny, I don’t know why I think of a Rodney Allen song now, but in a tune called ‘Why Are You Being Different Now’ (which was kind of about being a teenager in love with a future beauty queen) there’s a line that goes ‘the things that made me fall in love with you disappeared when you saw them too’ and I think that kind of sums it up for me. Do I think that B&S are selling out, or ever will sell out? I really don’t know. I don’t like to use such statements much anymore because it seems to me to be a pretty lazy knee jerk reaction to things that are not in your control, and indeed why should they be? I think they have been lumbered with a great deal of mediated ‘meaning’ and that as such they very certainly seem to have changed the musical and cultural geography of the land (I guess this is more a global land I mean, not just the UK), it’s just they don’t really mean much to ME anymore. Personally I think they should have REALLY stopped doing interviews, released a lot more records at regular intervals, and only ever played out in chip shops in my home town. But that’s just me, and I’m notoriously selfish and difficult to please. As it is I think they’ve committed the far greater sin of just wasting time and making records that are at best still quite terrific but too often limp and antiseptic and laboured and self-knowing. And it troubles me more than you’ll ever know to say that they’ve ended up too often sounding like too many other bands, none of whom are really very good. Maybe that means they ‘sold out’ and maybe it means they got old and lost the thread. And god knows that happens often enough . Keep the Faith in Pop The Duke +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.org Tue May 2 21:47:02 2000 From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:47:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: waggling? Message-ID: Mr Trousers sent this on to me and I've finally done something with it. Keen eyed observers might spot a pop star: http://www.missprint.org/cgi-bin/photo.cgi?gallery=things&photo=ATPSinisterFC There's loads of other new photos on the Sinister site too, including more ATP stuff under "picnics" and even one of someone proudly reading the latest copy of that fab popzine "Look In" (I think it is - it's hard to make out). I'm trying to catch up with all the photos people send me - sorry I'm trailing in your wake a bit. Anyone reads this mail and thinks "why the bloody hell hasn't honey replied to my mail!" um err I WILL! I just keep having to take naps. To go back to the photo above, me I prefer knitting to football, but even I'm amused by the sour-grapes in the NME last week towards you all. If anyone's not seen it, here it is: "The full truth about All Tomorrow's Parties has yet to be told. The real excitement wasn't focused on the stage but on the football pitch. OK, picture the scene: after destroying Radio 1 (EightFUCKINGnil), NME FC proceeded to chew its way through various loser indie band teams like a drug-crazed carnivore-driven combine harvester ploughing its merry fumespewing way through a field of ripe corn. Yeah! Mashing up the bodies of the skulking little bunny rabbits and voles and shit BIG TIME! And then - FINALS! We had only one team to beat -the pasty-faced vegan geeks representing the Sinister list (a semi-official Belle & Sebastian web page). I mean, how hard could it be!? Pow! Smash! Krak! Wham! We peppered the B&S goal with shots aplenty but WE COULD NOT SCORE! And then the indie kids made a tactical substitution. They brought on Stuart Murdoch! From Belle & Sebastian! And he was BRILLIANT! And we LOST! And he wouldn't give us the traditional post-match interview of course, because Belle & Sebastian don't talk to the evil, corporate, cock-waggling capitalist music press." Finally, anyone confused by Julie's or Keith's message about Aunt Keith, if you pop into the chatroom and say "auntsadie, be keith" all will be revealed. She's there if you ever get lonely and want a conversation about Star Wars or Ali G. She's 82 you know. Myth Honey (the carefully constructed Pop kind) xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nik_ovenden at xxx.com Tue May 2 22:01:02 2000 From: nik_ovenden at xxx.com (Nik Ovenden) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: sunshine, lollipops and rainbows...um...what are the lyrics? Message-ID: <20000502210102.17159.qmail@web2103.mail.yahoo.com> Dearest Sinister Darlings, Heavenly nods to one and all again, i'm a bit scared to write since you are all biting all of each others heads off. B+S are not selling out, please drop it. All of their releases were chart eligible and did chart, plus press conferences aren't really a huge 'selling-out' concept (unless it's to promote a product or summit). Why dont you all wish the band well? I hope for nothing greater than the fame and prestige each individual owns, give them credit for the years of effort! Sceptics. I have an idea- if you think they're selling out, don't buy the single till the week after release! The song's not that mainstream either...it's, well, weirder... On a lighter note, the narrow wizard wrote: "My girlfriend scares me most of all, I'm not used to being liked so much, I don't want to be the focus of attention, I'm not worthy of it and I'm not responsible enough to be" Hey matey, it don't get any easier! 10 months and i'm still petrified of my lass (and women in general...shudder...so scary) I understand why people may be gay- at least you konw what's going through the other's mind... "leaving behind only a faint smell of cinnamon"? mmm...cinnamon. to fiona: "customer: don't worry about it fiona: i'll try and find someone for you customer: don't bother, this is why i go to b+q, they're always helpful and they're cheaper fiona: i'm very sorry... customer: well its just not good enough, what's your name, i'll see the manager next time i come in fiona: but, but... customer storms out" yeah, i've heard stories like this...why are customers such pricks? It's not like you owe them anything, tell them to go hike! I have nothing else to say, my controversy has outstripped me. Hugs kisses and huge atari consoles to all, love Niko xxx "Wake up! Time to die." Leon, Blade Runner (my #1 fave film) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dee at xxx.ie Wed May 3 00:30:19 2000 From: dee at xxx.ie (Denise Power) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 00:30:19 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: crush the list crushes. Message-ID: why do people always show off about getting a list crush and then try to act all bashful about it. Do you check the place where they are kept every day just to make sure its still there. Sheesh. it really annoys me. I think just to maintain a balance we should set up an anti list crush thing called a list hate thing ; where we get to vote for the people whose mail we hate the most, the ones we always delete without reading because we know that they'll either frustrate us or bore us to tears. PS this is just a suggestion, you dont have to go and petition jeepster about it. oh go on, write back angry spiteful yet surprisingly witty retorts. I need something to jolt my shoulder back to an unsore position. Oh, just so I don't leave on a bad note - today the phone rang. I was scoffing yum venietta and said, look i'll ring you back. But I forgot to ask who it was. So i spent my night which I had reserved for grammar study on tracing that call. twee injection : I had my CD player blaring as I always do when the folks go off for a bit and I had a bit of a stroll out the back , something I havent done since the swing was taken away and A centruy of Elvis was blasting out my window and I heard a shuffle in the bushes , wwhich scared me a little , thinking it was a burglar but infact it was jjust a cat. ^^^Isnt that just grate !!!!! All this talk of B&S going pop is really boring now, can we just drop it ? I'm sorry for the crossness of my tone. Its the shoulder I tell you. i think I have heartburn in my shoulder. You know you've studied too much greek when , you grab at the paper and start doing the crossword and only the greek word comes to mind and not the english at all. And yet, ironically it is still not enough because when any 3 passages out of 90 may come up, you never know enough greek. But in three weeks if anyone who would like someone to read any euridides play in the original for a small but instant fee, feel free to ask me, the resident anceint greek speaker. Well I best get back to my genitive absolutes, - thats when every word has a genitive ending to indicate a word like while, because, since at the start of the sentence even though it is not written. No point in studying that, I know it already, I'll do accusative of respect instead. I love life. do I have to do that ^^^ every time, I feel like I'm underestimating the intelligence of the aduience by doing it even when I am doing it in a pseudo sarcastic way in the first place. Goodness, I'm a right nastybag tonight. But I'm telling you. Sore shoulders can do that to a person. you didn;t see the jockey of national velvet cracking jokes after her nasty fall did you? thats another thing, why is that film always on(well I think its international velvet, when you intend toi take the teeniest study break and you always end up wathcing the whole thing? i just dont know.) ouch ________________________________________ Disclaimer : the information which is obtained through a quiet perusal of these emails should be absorbed by osmosis. Allow one to two years for the genius of each and every intentional spelling mistake and grammtical error to sink in for maximum effect. Recognising that Denise sometimes embellishes stories and leans towards outright lies is important for your own acumen of the holistic elements of the emails. Should your knee get itchy whilst you read emails from Denise, she is completely unresponsible unless of course, she happens to be tickling your knee. Then it is right and proper to stick something smaller than your elbow into her ear with the sole purpose to hurt her. That'll teach her. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hopkinstim at xxx.com Wed May 3 00:45:53 2000 From: hopkinstim at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Hopkins?=) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Relics Message-ID: <20000502234553.25220.qmail@web1006.mail.yahoo.com> Elle wrote: "what are they doing differently?" Well, here's something, and I know this is old news but I have to say I'm so sad about the way that if you want the full version of 'JIADS' you've to buy the 12" of 'Legal Man', and if you want 'Winter Wooskie, you've to buy the CD. Putting slightly different versions of records such that if you want to maintain your complete collection of a band's output is just a nasty record business trick designed to screw money out of the most committed fans and maybe artificially inflate chart placings. It's a crap thing to do. Now, I *know* that nobody's forced to buy anything they don't want to buy, but to use that as an excuse is to completely misunderstand how a whole lot of people collect records and follow bands. B&S / Jeepster know only too well that B&S fans are very, very committed to the band and that they *are* going to want to own all the stuff. So they stick out two singles with very, very slightly different content, safe in the knowledge that they'll sell lots of multiple copies. Maybe they couldn't fit the enormously extended 'Judy' onto the 70 odd minuted offered by the CD. Or maybe those twelve inches of vinyl couldn't accommodate all three of those super-long songs, which between them would, after all, have required a 4-LP boxed set. Seriously, I suppose there is the possibility that soem weird technical reason means that they couldn't fit the same songs on both formats, but I can't see what that might be. if they couldn't have fitted them all onto the vinyl, they could have at least put the whole lot on the CD. Maybe missing a track off the CD makes the vinyl better value. Or something. I mean, if a band feels it *has* to try to cajole its followers into buying two copies of something, at least they could make the two singles different enough from each other that they're worth buying in their own right. They shouldn't just try to cash in in on their loyalty by selling them the same thing twice. I've long wanted B&S to get into the charts *on their own terms*. Not by pulling ugly, rip-off tricks. Maybe these are their terms now, I dunno. But I have a feeling that this is the kind of thing they wouldn't have done a while ago. I know that I'm a sad relic of the days in the 1980s when some of us used to fulminate about what a rip-off 3-track 12" singles were. Maybe I should grow up and live in the real world. Not so sure I want to though. Sorry to re-emerge with a moan. Cheerio tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Adam.Williams at xxx.uk Wed May 3 12:41:16 2000 From: Adam.Williams at xxx.uk (Williams Adam (Mr A)) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:41:16 +0100 (GMT/BST) Subject: Sinister: Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:41:25 +0100 Message-ID: <2F6030D3D79DD3119A8300902732B91FF68B0C@FELPRV02> What with all this polling malarkey going on for the finest B&S song yet committed to plastic, are there any that you can't stand? I mean, we're all fans and our loyalty shouldn't be called into question, but we also all like to think of ourselves as discerning souls, so there must be a few that (gasp!) we're not overawed by, yeah? Even the greatest songwriters will have the good/average works outweighing the real gold, with a couple of stinkers in to make life fair for inferior talents. Just thought I'd throw the idea in the mix for opinions. Personally, I find Fox in the Snow mildly emetic, but there ya go. Anyone else have one they have to skip, even if it means putting your coffee down and getting up of the floor to do so? > > > Anyhoo, can't let my Sinister cherry-popping be a wholly negative trip can I? So time to be good boy. This whole biz about coaches and romantic encounters: hmmm, not too sure. Maybe it's because these journeys over grey motorways through ever-reaching corridors of street-lit drizzle such soul-numbing endeavours we need to do something, anything to detach ourselves from their reality. This may take the form of random flirting, it may take the form of alcohol. Which may lead to random flirting. You see where I'm going here? I'm trying to solve the list's half-fear of the opposite sex. Get more drinking practice chaps and chapesses, but be careful. And only if you're old enough, natch. Don't want to encourage any illegality now do I? Alcopops are probably a good way to wean yourself into the giddy swirl. When I were a lad we had to rely on two litre bottles of warm cider in a nearby cemetery. You kids today don't know you're born... That's not much of an answer to how to get yourself talking to that girl/guy who 's in the seat next to you, I know, but it's better than nothing. Shells are boring places to dwell inside for too long. There are worse things in life than life itself. If you don't believe me, listen to a Bis record. Be slinky. a. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Strawberrywindow at xxx.com Wed May 3 13:16:39 2000 From: Strawberrywindow at xxx.com (Strawberrywindow at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:16:39 EDT Subject: Sinister: raindrops keep falling on my head... Message-ID: <69.471326d.264172a7@aol.com> ***************** 1st time boast ***************** hello everyone i'm a newbie...let me be honest...i have no idea who belle & sebastian are...i have been directed here by a friend who said that this is a good place to come if you are travelling abroad & looking for gullible folk willing to let a stranger stay with them...ok ok ok ... i'm kidding...he also said it was a good place to pick up girls as well... ********************************** that joke isn't funny anymore ********************************** no..no..really i have no idea who belle & sebastian are...are they a folk band...? ... i am intrigued...i quite like listening to cat stevens...and the new seekers...i'm sure i could get into them... ************************************ ok..ok...ok...in all seriousness ************************************ ok...i'll put my sensible head on now...i have heard of belle & sebastian...i'm just messing...i read with great admiration "the dukes" post...he more or less said everything that had to be said...i liked seeing the reference points..."love" ... oh yes...and "felt" ... most definitely...if i may humbly add the "mbv" thumbs up from b&s on "le pastie de la bourgeoisie"...but let me add as McCarthy once said" its a dirty world out there" ... anybody who has signed a record deal will know that the moment you sign...you have technically sold out...the moment the ink is dry you become a commodity...its a credit to jeepster that they have respected b&s principles for so long...because at the end of the day the job of any record company worth their salt is to make sure that their artists sell records and are heard by as many people as possible... the days when a band used to put out 4 & 5 track 12 "s & cds are long gone...b&s were perhaps one of the last...but i'm sort of glad...because i would be interested to see where they chart...with nothing but snide comments from the press and minimal play on the radio...i would be interested...i fully expect them to go crashing into the top 20 ( i would say top 10 but its a fact that if woolworths don't stock your record you have no chance of hitting the top 10! ) ...and the following week to go crashing out... because thats the sign of a band with a huge and loyal following...everyone who's going to buy it will buy it the day that it comes out... ****************************************************************************** ****************** i thought that if you had an acoustic guitar it meant that you were a protest singer! ****************************************************************************** ****************** i just had a funny thought...whenever i think about acoustic guitars...i think of that scene from "animal house"...with this hippy looking guy playing guitar surrounded by loads of doe eyed girls...john belushi (bluto) stops...looks at him with disgust...grabs his guitar and proceeds to smash it to pieces...then hands him back what's left of it ... and says with all sincerity....sorry...then he walks off...its a random moment of film genius...i love it... ****************** say goodbye... ****************** well kids its time to go...i'm off to look at the world through my strawberry tinted window...you could do much worse you know...i'm also attempting to soundtrack my life up until now...in just 90mins...its not easy i can tell you...+ i have this feeling that once i finish it all of a sudden i will drop dead!...which is an odd thought 'cos i've got space for one more song...i have decided its a straight choice between "raindrops keep falling on my head" & "south american getaway" both bacharach compositions both from the film "butch cassidy & the sundance kid"...i guess i shall spin a coin...i don't like to pick favourites... love and peace ... reynard the fox... x ****************************************************************************** *************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From toby at xxx.uk Wed May 3 14:41:31 2000 From: toby at xxx.uk (Toby Blake) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:41:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: girls ARE scary. Boys are scary too. Message-ID: <200005031341.OAA25165@rhymer.cogsci.ed.ac.uk> Katy said: > Scary girls, all of 'em. I mean, who else would enjoy going out and > listening to 'trance' music every night, pulling a minimum of 7 > highly-gelled blokes, buying new covers for their mobile phones and > bringing their laptops to school? Only scary girls. Christ Almighty. Is this what school is like these days? Back in my day, you only got slagged off about your trainers. These days it seems you have to be wary of laptop and mobile phone conformance too? And that's before any mention of highly-gelled anything or trance. Back in my day you had tunes you could hum, such as early Fall and My Bloody Valentine, etc. Youngsters these days, tsk. Toby, 27 going on 87 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From babychriscrystalballs at xxx.com Wed May 3 14:43:01 2000 From: babychriscrystalballs at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?BabyChris=20Crystalballs?=) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 06:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: ba,ba,ba,ba,baw,baw,baw,baw,bawbag Message-ID: <20000503134301.5909.qmail@web1401.mail.yahoo.com> I'm a lot happier than last time I mailed. next year, I've decided to travel and work round the world, which, as I am still 17, Is quite scary, but it should be fun. (so I'll have to unsubscribe soon, but I may get some messages forwarded, requesting food and shelter) I've also cried at dumb films. I found the end of cool running really happy/sad, if you get it. top CHOONS!!! 1) entire delgados album, the GRATE eastern 2) your no rock and roll fun, by sleater kinney 3) the new bis material - it's got a real 80's jd sound to it.... 4) beagle man, I s'pose 5) shoot speed kill light I've also begun to learn to drive, in me volvo s40, brand nu. pumping stereo, but my mate gave me sum tips. he said: "I as been driving since I was 12, but recently me desided to get a real driving lisence. However, when I went for a lesson, this ponce sat in me car and tried to make me drive like a batty man. Don't worrie, I gave im a one inch punch like Bruse Lee, but because of this, I as decided to pass on me driving knowlage to all ya massive for free. Read through me tips and than you is ready for even long trips (like down to McDonnalds). Wicked. DRIVING TIPS Tip 1 - Make sure your car is safe You is gonna lose marks if ya car is a wreck. May I suggest you get an MOT first (me mate Dave will sell ya one for 20 squids - just tell im Ali said). Also, make sure all 8 of ya speakers is workin' at there best (be carefull that the clutch pedel don't damage that 20" bass bin). Tinted windows and UV lights may also win you marks wid de instructer. Tip 2 - Make sure its safe for you to drive Its a well known fact that if you is a woman (thats 1 in 2 people in the UK), you will not be able to drive. Batty men shouldn't drive either. Tip 3 - Drinking and Driving You should never drink drive (not even if its rainin'). You could 'it a bump an' spill ya drink - Aye. No, me is messin', don't do it. Tip 4 - Listen for your Instructer If you can hear your instructer shouting at you, then your music aint loud enough you is probably listening to the wrong music, may I suggest Drum and Bass. Tip 5 - Use the proper equipment When your instructer asks you to start the car, remember that you is supposed to use the proper key, not a screwdriver. Tip 6 - Changing Gears This is an important part of drivin' and I hope you is payin' attention. There are two main gears you will use, thats 4 and 5. I suggest using 5th in residental areas, and 4th if you is driving on a field or somthin'. Tip 7 - Breaking and Corners Breaking and corners 'ave alot in common. You need to be usin' the handbreak for both. Tip 8 - Correct Signaling Remember that the horn and headlights aint just for gettin' the attention of that bitch wid de short skirt. They is best used to cuss other drivers if they is goin' too slow (ie 90 mph). Tip 9 - Advanced warning signs and Speed limits I aint sure what these things are. You can make about £30 stealing them though. AYE! Tip 10 - Dat's it, you is now a safe driver. You will be able to spend hours sat in the carpark at MFI wid da Drum and Bass pumpin out. Keep it safe, keep it real..." so, should be speeding in no time at all. to all going to the glasgow meet up, bring some moey and If I like you, you'll get a special surprise. I'm excited about the new album. my sys exams are coming up, but they don't matter, cause I ain't going to uni, next year (I feel like a waster tho', being the only person I'n thew year with 4a's and B and no direction.) bell rung. Maths awaits. I['m leaving next week, probably. so no tears. I know how you all love me so.) chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From frager103 at xxx.com Wed May 3 15:24:34 2000 From: frager103 at xxx.com (vradelis stelios) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: It's Funny ... Message-ID: <20000503142434.16184.qmail@web3402.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah ... It's funny how things make sense when you're lonely. Anyway ... i've been in Paris for a while. Anyone from Paris here? Paris is such a cool place to walk around with your headphones, listening to music, looking at people, places ... I'm not french. I don't even speak it that well ... but french is sooo beautiful. Absolutely twee. *Twee and proud* "She has the same disease as you and me looking for a love unseen .." Shine On, BlueBoy. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Wed May 3 16:04:45 2000 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:04:45 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Chim-Chim-CherooOOOooooOOoo Message-ID: <006b01bfb511$2ab2dde0$5781243e@itjfvkli> Hello, my name is Luka, I live on the second floor. You must all think I was born yesterday. No way has anyone heard the new B&S album a month before the release date! You must think I'm stupid or somefink. I don't want "Winter Wooskie". As far as I'm concenered, they can stick "Winter Wooskie" up their arses. But I haven't got a record player, so that's me buggered. What's it called when you stop being humble? I think that's what happened to some of B&S. It's like a Smiths song - I just liked you more. Hands up who remembers Derek Jarman? I'm not much of a one for his films, but I could sit and listen to him talk for hours. Once he was talking about the budget he had to make a Pet Shop Boys video and how he thought to himself "Blimey, I could make a feature film for that money". The news that Isobel was directing the "Legal Man" video made me think of that, I don't know why. I hope the video's as dodgy as the promotional postcard I got the other day. It looks like some ladies are going to kill a young gentleman. It's on Disques Jeepster International! French is so sexy. Nice to hear from Duke and Tim again. Things have certainly changed, because I agree with most of what Duke said. By the way Duke, I don't normally do interviews, but my lawyers have advised me to state that any resemblence to persons living, dead or from Sidmouth is entirley coincidental. Actually, the affectionate pen portrait you refer to was inspired by the thought of Keith "giving it some chimney". Are The Visitors really going to release an album? Sell-outs. love, Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glen.mitchell at xxx.com Wed May 3 17:00:55 2000 From: glen.mitchell at xxx.com (Glen) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:00:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: beheading the bored and the boring ones but not the band Message-ID: <005301bfb518$f04d3ee0$8f93073e@oemcomputer> Hey yo That thing with that girl... you don't want to hear about it. (No joke, you actually don't) All this talk of B&S selling out is making me sick, if they do (which they won't) they'll be going against everything they stood for back in the day. "Another Century Of Fakers" comes to mind. Anyway I was supposed to write a creative essay (ie story) for before Christmas and I'm thinking I need to start it. I was going to copy the story off "Lazy Line Painter Jane", but I decided against it. If anyone has any creative ideas mail me. I had a dream last night that Belle And Sebastian REALLY DID sell out, so much so that Isobel and Sarah appeared on the front cover of Maxim, and all the 13 year old boys who buy it were putting pictures of the twee ones on their walls. Then everyone on Sinister came and killed the band, beheaded Stuart M and put his head on a big spike and paraded it through London. Obviously this will never happen. We hope... Glen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Wed May 3 17:03:31 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:03:31 +0100 Subject: Sinister: In the days when you were hopeless before, I just liked you more Message-ID: <802568D4.0059A0BE.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> It was a bit clumsy, but I used to prefer it when that's how the line went. Anyway, I think we're all getting a bit teary. Mass hysteria caused by excesive snooker. 33 frames indeed. It's madness! Once, on one of the crappy TV outtakes shows, they showed a clip of a local news reporter doing a Vox Pop on some people sunbathing in the park: Interviewer: "Excuse me sir, if I said 'malignant melanoma" to you, would what you know what I meant?" Man in Park: "Err yes, I'm a epidemiologist specialising in skin cancer" For some reason I was reminded of this by all the "Hey that duke guy's got no idea what he's talking about" This is not to say that the duke is better qualified than anyone else to talk about such things* but some of you youngsters have NO IDEA how many years this man has spent pondering what it means to be P!O!P! Like he says, check back in the archives. Or don't. My own feeling is that the key members of the band were never satisfied with the way the early records (so beloved of the duke) sounded. I think there's a incontinuity between the indie purity of their design ethic/image and their musical ambition. See I think they always wanted to transcend the folksy arrangements and lyrical concerns of the first two albums. Weren't they really unhappy with the way songs like 'Get me away from here, I'm dying' got recorded? They wanted a bigger, Stax-y sound didn't they? And look at how they go out of the way to choose diverse, never-indie records when they're invited onto radio shows. Wasn't it some time ago that Stuart was quoted as saying that in the past he'd write the words first (or little acoustic strums), whereas lately he'd been trying to writing 'proper songs'? None of this invalidates what the duke says, and his friend is right to say somewhere in his reappraisal of some (probably dodgy-as-hell) indie-dance collective from 1990 that artists aren't the best judges of their own work ( http://www.tangents.co.uk/tangents/popular/sfs.html). I don't know, I've heard rumours of their dissatisfaction with the way both TWATTYBUS and FISHYLAP turned out too. Miserable sods. As for the charts, some people in the US might not appreciate that the charts here are very different to the ones in your country. They are exlusively based on singles sales, and themodern single-buying market consists largely of a)young kids b)indie/rock obsessives who want every bonus track c)DJs and other people up with dance music. Thus it's a weird place, and not a yardstick of what the nation's tastes are. Whoever had that bet with their mate sounds like he's onto a winner to me - I have no doubt that 'Legal Man' will enter the charts very high but this doesn't mean that Steps fans have been won over. Conversely, if, as seems likely, it drops like a stone two weeks later, this doesn't mean that no one who heard it on the radio or TOTP has been won over by it. But they'll probably want to buy an album and be annoyed to find the track isn't going to be on one. This 'no-singles off albums' policy is very cool and everything, but I know for a fact it pisses off/bewilders most casual music fans. I'm just saying. As for the Legal Man 12"/CD single rip off, my best guess is that it's been done to make the CD single eligible for the charts. If the extendeddickslap is too long it might push the total over the 20 minute maximum (I think that's right) that the chart rules allow for singles. I guess they reckoned they could afford to lose the 12" sales. If this isn't the reason then they really are being scummy. I think I'll learn to cope with a shorter Dick Slap. Nick xx * thankfully, formal certificates in pop music appreciation have not yet attained widespread recognition. Just as well, as I failed to complete the 'hobby' section of my DofE bronze award scheme. 'Pop Music Appreciation' sounded a great wheeze, but on the back of the info card it suggested tracing the development of the UK skiffle band scene and I was bewildered. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.org Wed May 3 17:26:36 2000 From: honey at xxx.org (The Fragrant World Of Princess Honey) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:26:36 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: mythical cheesy snacks Message-ID: Not speaking as list mummy you understand but as Honey, listee... I don't what all the fuss about selling out is about. If I was a "pop" band and sold out Wembley Arena I'd be very pleased and tell my gran, if she was still alive. Am I missing some intricate ethical point about leaving some seats unoccupied so that older people or small children could have them or something? What's interesting about Sinister again just now (and as you all know, Sinister is really a mass public experiment, a microcosm of society: you are all in a bowl under a microscope and I get paid by the goverment to do this) is that on the "sell-out" topic we seem to have had one or maybe two mails about Top Of The Pops or something, saying "not that I'm saying they're *really* selling out.." and then a barrage of other mails saying "they're not selling out!!". Oo it's like 1999, or 1997 all over again. And then others saying "well I don't really agree about the selling out thing because I'm not sure it means much but in 1997..", indicating disappointment that the band aren't doing what they "did" "before". If you make a pop band in your own image, and interpret their every move as clever subversive shenanigans, you might consider that it might be because they aren't very good or comfortable or trusting with cameras and journalists and things or just think it's a bit stupid; and when they get a bit happier, or feel they need to say something, or feel it might be fun to do a Beatles-style conference because after all they'd only be watching TV in Glasgow if they didn't, or, indeed, make a strategic error, break all the microphones before they start, swallow a cheesy snack the wrong way and end up having an embarrassing coughing fit that makes the front of "Smash Hits", you might want to try and reassess why you liked LPs 1 and 2 so much. You might find it was because of the music, and/or in various measures because you had a feeling the people behind the music were interesting, or nice, or pleasantly odd, or kind, or a bit like you, or not like you but more like the kind of people you'd like to talk to in a train station for a bit. Or you might find it was because you thought they were media terrorists, subverters of mass content, clever manipulators of the global structures that surround us, in which case you might not like them much after album nos. 3 or 4. If I started to feel that way I might start to ask if my own personal myth about what the band were trying to do was actually my own personal myth, particular if I missed the myths (try saying that when you've drunk a shandy) I had when I were 16. It's just that they probably won't be able to live up to those ideas maybe? Particularly if they're mine and not actually theirs? They might've just been a particularly nice set of people in Glasgow who bumbled along mostly like the rest of us, but had the lucky gift of mostly being a bit happier together than they were apart, a certain lightness of touch to all things public, and a certain finesse at handling the somewhat murkier world of people who like to represent or shrink-wrap their kind of creativity. And then they decided they might try and shrink-wrap it too for a bit even though it was a bit of an odd thing to do, but so other people could hear it, seeing some seemed to like it. And they found a business who saw the opportunity to make some cash and at the same time listen to something they quite liked, a business that was smaller than some of the others and so more or less promised to let them do it how they wanted, because that's how they'd keep them, and mostly they did. So they thought it might be something to do for a bit. And hey, it was fun. And if they did a single that wasn't like the other singles, and was shorter and you couldn't hear the last minute of the final song without buying two versions, yes you might pause and wonder why and look at them askance for a minute or two. But you could ask them why they did that, I guess. Of course if you don't think their songs are as good as they were before, that's a different point. Honey x P.S. list anti-crush, yes Denise, but a few kinder people than me convinced me it might be a bad idea :) I'll start taking private votes again. But don't come running to me when you've got 10 hate votes and you don't know WHY and it makes you CRY! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From purpletrousers at xxx.com Wed May 3 18:11:32 2000 From: purpletrousers at xxx.com (Jim Taylor) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 17:11:32 GMT Subject: Sinister: last week's nme rant at loosing footie Vs sinister (the pasty-faced vegan geeks) Message-ID: <20000503171132.37612.qmail@hotmail.com> for anyone that hasn't see it (oh yeah, and that gives a shit) - from NME dated 29/4/00: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ "BANGING ON ABOUT.... Not being a poor loser, no! The full truth about All Tomorrow's Parties has yet to be told. The real excitement wasn't focused on the stage but on the football pitch. OK, picture the scene: after destroying Radio 1 (EightFUCKINGnil!), NME FC proceeded to chew its way through various loser indie band teams like a drug-crazed combine harvester ploughing its merry fume-spewing way through a field of ripe corn. Yeah! Mashing up the bodies of the skulking little bunny rabbits and voles and shit BIG TIME! And then - FINALS! We had only one team to beat - the pasty-faced vegan geeks representing The Sinister List (a semi-official Belle & Sebastian web page). I mean, how hard could it be!? Pow! Smash! Krak! Wham! We peppered the B&S goal with shots aplenty but WE COULD NOT SCORE! And then the indie kids made a tactical substitution. They brought on Stuart Murdoch! From Belle & Sebastian! And he was BRILLIANT! And we LOST! But he wouldn't give us a post-match interview, of course, beacuse Belle & Sebastian don't talk to the evil, corporate cock-waggling capitalist music press. And apparently Stuart balked when he first realised that it was US he was playing against. Oh no, man! Like how does this effect my 'integrity', maaaaaan!? Which leaves one question unanswered: what make of boots was Stuart wearing? Were they NIKE - which probably means that they were put together by Third-World wage slaves? Or were they ADIDAS or REEBOK? Have you checked out THEIR working conditions, Staurt? Have you read Naomi Klein's 'No Logo' book? Have you, huh? Your press office was unable to either confirm or deny that you were wearing evil coporate cock-waggling capitalist boots, Stu, so we'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt. So long as your play barefoot next time, deal? Or, alternatively you could drop all the pathetic, ideologically bankrupt hippy posturing, get Belle & Sebastian involved in some REAL politics and then communicate your ideals to a mass audience via these pages. Like ADF or Rage Against The Machine or Chumbawumba or Primal Scream. If you felt like that, like, wouldn't damage your, uh, 'integrity' too much, maaaaan! Steven Wells" @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ well lots of things crossed my mind whilst i typed that. like i could be down the pub by now. i won't go on, though thought it worth pointing out how NME did recently report Murdoch/B&S taking a stance on Section 28, and speaking at a Scottish Socialist Party conference. just looked at http://www.missprint.org/sinister/picnics/FC-SlotJockey.html sorry 'bout that..... think maybe stevie T said there were other photos?? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From smiley at xxx.uk Wed May 3 13:42:18 2000 From: smiley at xxx.uk (Mr Smiley) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 13:42:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Girls are scary, boys are scary... Message-ID: <000001bfb522$d1860500$5073883e@n8j4k7> ... but nobody is more scary than maniacs. I've been having maniac incidents this week you see. Like today, I was walking home from school and there were three scary looking men standing around looking shifty. As I walked rapidly past, one of them asked me if I had a light, to which I replied the negative and hurried on. This, in itself, is not too scary, I understand. But the reason I was in such a hurry to put quite a bit of distance between myself and these men is that one of them, not the one looking for a light, was holding what I can only describe as.... a big, fuck off knife. It was like a machete. And he was just brandishing it in broad daylight on a busy street at lunchtime. Obviously as maniacs go they weren't very good, because real maniacs make the effort to conceal any 8 inch blades they have about them. And then the other day I was walking down my street and this yoof was going the other way, and as we passed he spat. Imagine a Dickensian London scene where there's a guy in a top hat and a worker from the workhouse spits at his feet as he walks past. Except that I wasn't wearing a top hat and I know this yoof and he is absolutely loaded. He is a maniac, because he nutted a friend of mine without any good reason. But I find it quite funny that he likes to swagger around pretending he's from da ghetto, wearing his sports gear bought from Oxfam for the tough ghetto look. And driving around in his car with some bangin choons on occasionally stopping to nut people. He's not from the ghetto though, I know where he lives. He's from a plush leafy middle class suburban estate. Cheery bye, Mike Email - smiley at rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk The Black Den - http://www.rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chickfactor at xxx.uk Wed May 3 19:37:04 2000 From: chickfactor at xxx.uk (brenda milton-bradley) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 11:37:04 -0700 Subject: Sinister: other bands kickass 2! Message-ID: <200005031837.LAA03911@mail18.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From CountingStars at xxx.net Wed May 3 20:36:53 2000 From: CountingStars at xxx.net (Painting With Light) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:36:53 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: Sinister: By firelight Message-ID: <20000503193656.17415.qmail@fsmail.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From JENOWL22 at xxx.com Wed May 3 21:45:13 2000 From: JENOWL22 at xxx.com (JENOWL22 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:45:13 EDT Subject: Sinister: Badges, badges, shiny bright and lovely badges Message-ID: <6a.26c7b5f.2641e9d9@aol.com> Hewwo, Ooooh, my badges arrived today along with my tee-shirts. Three B&S badges (to replce the ones that the hard kids either stole or defaced), and gentle waves badge, a bus tee-shirt to replace the one that got wrecked in the wash and a bel and fox one, because I'd saved up for that for donkeys. But yesterday I had two B&S badges returned to me unharmed, and the prefect one with "say up my authoriti" written underneath 'belle and sebastian', which I didn't get back. Yesterday, I was walking home from school, with a brand new, unread copy of Bunty under my arm, when two hard kids ambushed (god I hate that word. I don't know why, though) me and stole it, laughed at it and threw it on to a garage roof. I got it down, but it was all dirty and ripped, and I felt a bit bad about it all. I've found a keyboard player for my band, so now I have....me on vocals and rhythm guitar, and cello, and tin whistle, and writing songs, and sometimes bass, a girl called Laura on drums, and tuba, and a girl called Caroline on keyboard, and stand in drums. So we're basically crap. And we don't have a name yet, but we'll think of something, and it'll be TWEE and GRATE, I promise, really, I do. Shania Twain is the Anitchrist. No, I'm convinced of it. She looks like a vampire, sings like a constipated demon of hel (isn't hel cool when you spell it with one L? well, it's obviously not cool, anything but, but don't you think it looks all gothy and mystical and GRATE? ), and feeds off the blood of freshly slaughtered virgins on a sarcrificial altar. And they're still playing her album (which I now know by heart) non-stop in the school canteen. Sample lyric goes a bit like this (making allowances for mishearings): "I'd rather die standing, than down on my knees, baby please, no more black eyes". I mean, she's practically a goth. I hate school. I wish I ruled it, like in the song. Than I'd play Belle and Sebastian in the canteen, and make bus tee-shirts (or twee-shirts, which I just discovered looked grate in a typing error), and knee high socks , or flares, and, and and little pigtails for the girls and floppy hair for the boys and and... ok, i'll stop, I always hyperventilate when I think about how I will one day dominate the school, and force them all to be like me. If B&S became P!O!Pular, really, does that mean that everyone would be gentle and twee, or would sinister just become a persecuted minority or hardcore "old" fans, who have to live in forests and stuff, until they discover cutting edge technology, and create their own village in outerspace, next to the twee aliens' village in space, where they can visit for alien tea and crumpets and stuff, yeah, and mount a daring mission to kidknap belle and sebastian, and take them away from commercial stuff, and start them on a rehab "back to twee" program, which worlks, so they come and live on the sinster outer space village planet thing and b everyone bees twee forever, and meanwhile back on earth the masses are lost with out their idols, so they eat each others heads, and all die out which lets the sinster kids return to earth and start up a sort of new, twee P!O!Pulation, where everyone loves B&S and they are cloned so that every single generation forever can have B&S, and the world is ahppy and contented and the aliens come to visit sometimes? Ok, now Mummy Honey will think I'm insane and come at me with sedatives. I can't help it, I had too much Ribena today. This post is too long, I'm really sorry. Hugs, Jen Ps, Julie is grate for mentioning owls. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keleidoscopic at xxx.com Wed May 3 22:18:25 2000 From: keleidoscopic at xxx.com (Chris Paluch) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: That is not very twee Message-ID: <20000503211825.3342.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Sinister People, I think the hate list idea is a bad idea. It is better to be bitter and not tell other people. In fact I can not imagine anything less twee than making a hate or dislike list, because it is extremely indirect and mean, and finding out you are disliked and finding it out from a secondary source is an extremely terrible experiance. I mean alot of us people on sinister are highly sensitive people, and that is part of the reason we do like B&S so much. Yeah people should not talk about if they get on the crush list, but to make a hate list is just plain evil, and can really hurt somebody. You may not like somebodys posts, but it is better that they do not know it, and you just delete the post and go on with your day. I mean a hate list is not very twee. Plus if you do not like someone, and they are not a good writer it is not thier fault, some people just are not. I had to write because i was fairly upst by the idea, really I have nothing else to say. Chris ===== The sole member of the Lost Letter Society A society dedicated to turtle lovers everywhere. Http://www.mp3.com/LostLetterSociety __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glen.mitchell at xxx.com Wed May 3 22:23:39 2000 From: glen.mitchell at xxx.com (Glen) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 22:23:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: for a medium fox Message-ID: <004a01bfb545$defc22a0$060b01d5@oemcomputer> sorry for annoying you lot more but does anyone have a medium fox t-shirt they would sell me? Glen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sxi2590 at xxx.edu Wed May 3 22:25:04 2000 From: sxi2590 at xxx.edu (sxi2590 at xxx.edu) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 17:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: all in the kool-aid, don't know the flavor Message-ID: <499461353.957389104982.JavaMail.sxi2590@mailhost.njit.edu> been let out of the nursery and am finally caught up in reading every last post, however i still don't have a clue as to what to say. i might as well dive in, seeing as whatever i write will be all wrong. apologies in advance if i tend to ramble. anyhow, my name's david. i'm a 23 yr old boy, korean, live 5 minutes from nyc (on the nj side of the lincoln tunnel). i quite like it here, what with the GRATE view of the manhattan skyline. i'm terribly jealous of those of you who've seen b&s live. i was discovering them about the last time they played new york, so i'm really excited about the upcoming album and US tour. right now, i'm a bit tired as i recently got back from visiting an old housemate of mine, who lives up by rochester which is a good 6 hours by train. he just told me that he and his girl, Liz, will be getting married so i'm to play the best man. well, it's a bit more interesting than that since liz is a witch and they're planning a wiccan ceremony. so officially my role is "the man in black"... meaning i have to get dressed all in black and recite some incantations or somesuch. i think it's peculiar but it'll be fun. my friend linda will be "the north corner." while i was there, they allso invited me to this one week event called starwood, which takes place the beginning of june. basically, all these ppl gather and they're all naked. it's some weird pagan bacchanal (i'm not sure about that spelling) where all these freaks meet up at some place in the woods, i think upstate ny. you have the wiccans, pagans, dischordians, some ren-faire types wearing chainmail and armor, and even *gasp* some REAL weirdos that come in jeans and t-shirts, deadheads, phishheads, roly poly phishheads, etc. a real wide variety. anyway, it's like woodstock gone awry. you have the center of the temporary settlement occupied by market row, where vendors can sell their goods and services. liz makes wands and pentagrams and other altar worship stuff to sell there. some of it looked quite nice. it may sound a bit on the cheesy side but she was really cool to hang out with...not as neurotic as i suspected. although, she didn't think too highly of my pink hello kitty dreamcast. you know, now that i think of it, if i can find a cute girl who can beat me at video games, i think i could definitely dig that [1]. back to what i was saying...during this week there's hottubs and did i mention naked ppl? i don't know but i'm so intrigued by this. i wonder if they worry about ticks and lyme disease. i can just see it now. hundreds of naked throw-caution-to-the- wind hedonists, wearing thick socks...with legwarmers even. for some reason that turns me on. a naked girl just wearing socks. i mean, it turns me on more than just a plain naked girl. odd. also, i wonder if they play slip&slide. no, not that slip&slide. ;) i'm talking about that rubber/plastic mat distraction where you have the sprinklers on and you run, you slide, you hit the bump and take a dive. i think i may have my commercials mixed up but hopefully someone knows what i'm talking about. anyway, that would turn me on too. wet naked people at high speed. of course they would play without the socks but you can't have everything. hopefully i didn't bore you to tears, angel dave [1] "neato" by baxendale comes to mind +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glt102 at xxx.uk Wed May 3 22:34:37 2000 From: glt102 at xxx.uk (gina) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 22:34:37 +0100 Subject: Sinister: umm ... hello. Message-ID: <39109B6D.2757646E@york.ac.uk> (a very tentative start to my life in (on?) sinister, but then i am finding this experience very intimidating, so perhaps 'tis apt). well, hello children, i am yet another addition to your tribe, who, after some weeks now of watching your game, has decided to ask to be allowed to play. i think i've learnt the rules. firstly, you have to introduce yourself. all you really need to know about me is that i am called gina (tho some people elect to call me regi), that i am 19 and that i'm a student in york. if you truly want to know more, you can mail me privately. my reasons for joining you are fairly simple. #1 is that the people here are grate, you all seem so kind and understanding, yet cynical and disillusioned, and you won't try to tell me that ash, nor kent, nor 5ive are the greatest (yes, greatest) bands in the world (cheers housemates), plus you will listen to my rambling outbursts (i don't have too many). and #2 is quite simply greedy. and quite sad. y'see, years ago, when my boyfriend was making me a compilation tape, he accidentally used his copy of the second belleandsebastian markradcliffe session. most of the songs survived, but tijamrs was horrifically slaughtered. i now have "we rule the school" and "seeing other people", which i will copy for people, but i would love to be able to restore his collection. and, if anyone would be so kind, add to it by copying the first, effectively marklamarr, session also. (there's an even more distressing story behind this one. not only did i listen to the night b+s were in the first time, i recorded the show. i *even* recorded the talking in between the b+s songs. BUT I CUT OUT THE TRACKS. o h m y g o d. sobsob, whimper.) so, yes, i am here in part to get a copy of these songs from one of you kind souls. please will someone put me out of my misery and record them? i'll cover postage and supply the tape and everything. i ought to go as a friend is waiting for me, but one last request if i may: i am interested in going to the picnic on saturday but am afraid to go on my own (yes i'm a wimp. and i don't know anyone yet) so i was wondering whether anyone from the york area was going and, if they are, if they wouldn't mind an extra body. i hope i don't sound too pushy, i'm really a shy little girl but i can't resist this chance. and i promise any future missives will be much shorter and funnier. love to you all, gina, trying to press send... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rdossinger at xxx.net Wed May 3 23:35:33 2000 From: rdossinger at xxx.net (Reid Dossinger) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:35:33 -0400 Subject: Sinister: I'm in love with my clone Message-ID: <3910A9B4.AADC2446@worldweb.net> You know what I think is funny? You people. I think you people are funny. Funny, ha ha. Unintentionally. Until I hear a Burger King commercial sung to the tune of Sleep The Clock Around or The Rollercoaster Ride advertising the new "Beast With Two Backs" coaster at Busch Gardens or A Summer Wasting used as the theme song to the new Jennifer Love Hewitt "vehicle", I'm going to keep from putting "Belle and Sebastian" and "sold out" in the same sentence. Oops, just did. Well, you know what I'm getting at. Putting extra tracks on different versions of a single is tiny, man, TINY. I've always thought it's pretty funny when indie folk pretend that "it's only about the music", but will get all bent out of shape over something as small as extra tracks or the wrong clothes or the wrong taste in music or the Wrong Girl. And even though I personally don't have any problem with trying to sell more singles, so many people forget that Belle and Sebastian, like so many other bands, are in the enviable position of being able to make a living off of their record sales. It's their *job*. And even though that doesn't mean that we should forgive them if they deliberately alter their sounds for the sake of selling tons (which they haven't done), I don't think it's too much to ask forgiveness for trying to sell a few more records and make a better living. We'd all take a promotion at our jobs, but we'll put down musicians who, more or less, are doing the same. They're just trying to get ahead like the rest of us, and if they can do that without compromising their vision (which, again, B&S haven't done), that's pretty fucking amazing. What it does mean is that they have to do TV shows, and they have to sell extra versions of their singles, and they have to try and get airplay on MTV. Let them. It's a small price for us to pay. It makes me anxious and scared to disagree with the Duke's thoughtful words, but, as great as the 'the things that made me fall in love with you disappeared when you saw them too' quote was, I don't think it's correct. I think that Belle and Sebastian are doing exactly what they've always done: exactly what they want to do. It's always been equally frustrating and admirable that they don't seem to give a shit what ANYONE thinks of them, including their fans. If they had given half-a-second's thought to what we did and didn't like about them, they wouldn't be giving Isobel and Stevie so much air time on the albums, seeing as how their songs are consistently at the bottom of the voting results on the Jeepster site. And if you've heard "Legal Man", there is no way you could possibly think that they're tinkering with their sound for the sake of a hit. The last time I checked, the formula of a top 40 hit was not '60' retro and electric sitars. Maybe it'll be so successful that it ends up creating that formula, but I'll welcome that like I'd welcome a long lingering hug from Gwen Sefani. By the way, I won't say anything to give it away, but I have heard the new album. It doesn't have the highs of TBWTAS, but it doesn't have the lows either, and from everything I've read in interviews with the band members, this is the kind of album that they've wanted to make for a while. *They've* wanted to make. For themselves, you understand. I don't think they give much thought to what we think of it. As a side note, re: Shania Twain as the "anti-christ"...if a bland, slightly odd-looking "country"-pop singer is the worst thing you can think of, you have a pretty great life. I'm not too crazy about Shania Twain either, but I can imagine a whole lot worse. So I guess this is the part where I have to apologize for the length of my letter, say that I hope I didn't bore you and make some "funny" comment about "If you've read this far, you're a saint", etc. So there you go. Famous for showing my chest, Reid +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LNino at xxx.com Wed May 3 23:37:19 2000 From: LNino at xxx.com (LNino at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 15:37:19 -0700 Subject: Sinister: In any case the moon Message-ID: <41D61E4C1F62D111A3B300805FE6B65401A99A36@dalex6.dal.na.levi.com> Hi Second post, a hundred digests unread. I will be getting a computer at home, at last, I wil be able to check my email there and spend the evenings reading the silliness of Girls are Scary. In my opinon boys are scarier.. but girls and I quote Jack Kerouac again: The woman is a cellular mesh of lies, as well as a scratcher, are unknowingly dangerous. The man is very strange... Anyway, I thank everyone who wrote to me about my first post, Les Anomalies. I wish I could write to everyone daily. I'd like to thank Jules a lot because she sent me a WIl Oldham tape, which funny enough, a friend in Norway had taped three songs by this guy and I loved them, but he couldn't tell me who that was.. when I was listening in my car to it, on comes A minor place and i was frozen. I had found the singer of such wonders! And Also thank her because her last fable was just what I needed.. I have it here on my wall on pretty paper and a cool image to illustrate. I love it.. I really do. I was also thingking about Belle & Sebastian becoming famous. I guess they are in a way, being grabbed by an audience that is exploiting their beauty. I listen to a lot of spanish pop which can be sticky sweeter than Belle, Family is a spanish band, they have the greatest pop songs... Le Mans is also supberb, but then came an avalanche of Twee pop bands and frankly I started meditating about how maybe Belle & Sebastian might not come as huge, but huge enough as to create little clones that will kill the true twee-pop. I think if B&S came into the light in 1992 (?) and have been making this music for nearly a decade, and suddenly they have a cult, and this cult makes others want to do the same kind of music, we will be pretty bored with it in a few years, it will lack delight.. even in B&S. So it's not a matter of anguish if they become big as in hitting the cover of Alternative Press or Rolling Stone.. I bet they wouldn't allow it anyway, but other bands will suck the marrow out of this pop music. It's not bad to want to write pretty songs, we need them desperately, but we need a filter.. Rambling at the end of a day full of stomach pains, work, email wars, starvation and dreaming of being elsewhere. Juno +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kmulla1 at xxx.edu Thu May 4 04:06:45 2000 From: kmulla1 at xxx.edu (Kristen Mullarkey) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 20:06:45 -0700 Subject: Sinister: b&s on mtv?? Message-ID: <004901bfb575$c7c2d9a0$48da0493@hofstra.edu> Hey all, I hardly ever write, and I bet your all real upset (you better be!) but I am always enlightened by your lovely stories. So you are now wondering why I put that subject huh? and your also thinking, will this girl get on with it already. Well... see I was thinking, If we could like start a petition for B&S to make a video that would be MTV worthy. OK, wait before you start screaming MTV is propaganda, full of sellouts etc. really think about it how cool would it be to see the best band ever on and it would like totally flip the regularly viewers out and instantly turn them into avid listeners. That's one of my many plans to do when I take over the world! It is a realistic plan because I work at MTV in the presidents office, so I am constantly giving her hints on Non-MTV music, and she listens and smiles but I keep trying to get her to change the station, I am telling you it will happen, just wait! So, um... well I was also wondering for the people in the UK and surrounding and down to Italy, if you can give me an info on good shows or like a cheap place to stay (floor of your place maybe?). I am going to be all around from may 24- June 16. If anyone comes to NYC I can help you just the same. Here is my little sad b&s story, I have a friend who just got put into rehab, but not your normal rehab he got taken out to a monastery out in the woods, he can't have visitor or letters, nothing. I don't know how religion will stop you from doing drugs but I hope it works. So before he left he especially came over and said to me, "hey I listened to b&s, because you said I would love it" and I was all happy, and then he says "they only allow me to take a limited amount of personal items to the place, so I decided to take all the b&s I could find on such short notice." (sniffle, sniffle) Now if that is not a sign there the best then I don't know what is! Well hope you are all well and for myself I end college in two weeks and I am a little nervous but I make it through, don't loose sleep over it, I will be fine. Later tator tots ~~Kristen~~ *I am a cute and nice girl, who has good music taste, please give me a home.* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From peter at xxx.au Wed May 3 14:00:51 2000 From: peter at xxx.au (Peter Brown) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 23:00:51 +1000 Subject: Sinister: B&S Go Betweens Message-ID: <00e201bfb4ff$a07a6820$850ca8c0@outputdsj.com.au> I can't believe all this brouhaha over B&S trying to be more popular. It's all about the music and whether they are more or less popular as a result is of no great concern to me, although I wish them all the best. If Legal Man makes them more successful all the better for them. If the music has changed I think it's up to whether you like it or not, and attributing intentions towards them of selling is unfair and probably unfounded. Popular should not equal bad. Steps off soapbox. By the way in Australia a B&S ball is a where country ladies and gents get pissed in a large shed and sleep with at least one person in a car or under a haystack somewhere, and wake up the next morning with many regrets. Oh and thanks to the gentleman who has been sending mails about the Go Betweens to the list. Being a 30 something Sydney boy it brings back many fond memories of seeing them live in the 80s. Actually last year Grant and Robert played a gig in Sydney, and both seemed to be well and truly soused, but played wonderfully to an appreciative crowd, and even signed my albums after the show(how naff of me to bring them). Oh and Robert looked absolutely fetching in a canary coloured suit although he looks much better in dresses. And Amanda plays in a band in Sydney called Love Me (I think she still does). And Linda is the musical correspondent to the Tracee Hutshison radio show on 2BL 7pm-10pm in Sydney - this just means those two are good chums basically. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Thu May 4 03:02:55 2000 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 19:02:55 PDT Subject: Sinister: This old heart of mine,been broke a thousand times Message-ID: <20000504020255.20265.qmail@hotmail.com> Sinister treats, I'm restless!So I figure I'll bug you all for a bit.You don't mind sir,do you? Help me with this zipper,kind sir?..its stuck...Maybe Belle&Sebastian haven't changed at all,maybe its you, ma'am,uh huh?(Nah,come on,they have to change,its only natural,they are 'broadening their horizons' err yes..)This happens when you let yourself over analyze too much,just slap that belly and ride the wave.My brothers and sisters,summer is on it's way. Well,I suppose if you're stuck in an igloo,like my Arctic Family up north..you have reason,but the rest of you..you're to be sent to the lambasting room,immediately.I also realise this kind of cheeriness will cause one of you to throttle me in my sleep,thanks.All with a smile on my face,babycakes! We should spend less energy focused on the band selling out,and more time imagining them naked.Didn't Honey once promise us a calendar,or was that a dream? Congratulations Sinister FC!My sons,my sons! Oooh,that shows them nasty NME eh?Ah,you're all so cute.I seriously dig those football uniforms.I spotted an Erica peering glamorously between all those layers of hot sweaty bodies,lucky girl.I think the 'pasty faced vegan' comment is just about the funniest thing I ever heard! Friggin sour grapes that NME is isn't it? Trying to mask their jealousy with all those bitchy piddly-poo sarcastic remarks at Struan.The poor boy had just worked up an awful sweat (deep breath)and wanted to relax,not be assaulted with questions!Besides,how boring can that get?He was there for vacation,let him have his enjoyment.And of COURSE he wasn't wearing NIKE shoes,DUH...Struan only wears 6 inch Manola stilettos,and he's got the calves for them.It's Like A Heatwave...(burning in my heart) I FINALLY saw this Gregory's Girl movie you've all been going on about for years.What a load of geeks!HA.How I laughed.But bless the little hot-pants they wore for their football uniforms.I suppose those are the relationships and crushes you look back upon when you're old and go 'oh,how sweet' but in the meantime,dear lord!(Is that how geeky & lovesick I appear then,to my crushes? Oh yeesh..kill me now then please.)Now,those boys would crumple for sure if you ever tried to talk to them.Do you think Stuart had that gawky stage? I was imagining him being the skinny tall boy with the ginger afro picking his nose.Yum yum! Those pretty faces will be the death of me. Being poor sucks.If I had Stuarts talents,(and to enjoy that job)you can be sure I'd make as much money as possible and buy an island complete with dancing boys.The rest I'd donate to charity,naturally.Hey,at least the kids are paying money for an extended dick slap,what else are they going to spend those dollars on...jellybeans,cigarettes? some glittery lipgloss? i'll crawl back in my hole now, (but not without a kiss first,mwah) genevieve xx p.s sinister toronto people that i was supposed to meet up with a few weeks ago: it turned out to be a bit of a disaster,couldnt contact anyone :( Fairsdos,they say. But if i ever make it down there again.. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ayacolor at xxx.com Thu May 4 07:05:34 2000 From: Ayacolor at xxx.com (Ayacolor at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 02:05:34 EDT Subject: Sinister: sinister: Lady Tron? Message-ID: <6a.272477a.26426d2e@aol.com> Did you miss me?? Hey, It's colorful Aya!! Do you remember me? Japanese AYA??!! Have you guys heard about Lady Tron?? They are bloody good but I want to know about them more.. AyacolorXXX +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Thu May 4 08:43:53 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 19:43:53 +1200 Subject: Sinister: most inane post of the day - I swear it's true Message-ID: <002c01bfb5a2$5938fe60$a46137d2@computer> I am confused by two things, and would appreciate if anyone could help. Firstly, I just the new Delgados - by jingo it's brilliant (although Dave Friedman's production makes it sound like a Mercury Rev/Flaming Lips album, and the first track does sound like the theme from "Battlestar Galactica" towards the end). Anyway, I keep reading that "The Great Eastern" is named after a 'flophouse' in Glasgow. Excuse my Southern-hemispherian ignorance, but what the hell is a flophouse? An answer mailed offline would be much appreciated. I am really very very confused. Second thing ... why does everyone spell "great" GRATE? Is that some new cool thing? (Jeepers ... I'm starting to sound like my mum!) thanks, Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From paularathoon at xxx.com Thu May 4 10:22:19 2000 From: paularathoon at xxx.com (Paul Arathoon) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:22:19 BST Subject: Sinister: Selling out- who really gives a ....... Message-ID: <20000504092219.63473.qmail@hotmail.com> Hi Kids I think that this entire thread should end. Now. Every band ever has had this same tired old argument over them: the moment they sell enough records to cover the recording and promotional costs, the fans who, inevitably, have been there since "the beginning"are in uproar. I remember a Pavement fan being in a state of anguish because he heard Terror Twilight was being recorded in a 16-track studio rather than in a shitty 4 track one becuase he saw it as bowing down to "The Man" whoever the fuck he is. If Belle And sebastian really decided that they were not going to sell out in the way seemingly demanded by soem listees this is what would have happened. Tigermilk would have not been re-released. Tours would have not been promoted in any way, there would be no CD or minidisc releases of anything and anything released on vinyl would have been a very limited release. And as for you people in sunnier climes (ie not In Britain) the chances of you getting hold of anything without paying extortionate import prices would have been impossible. And if all that had happened, and thank God it didn't, would we all be happy? No. Belle And Sebastian are part of a huge multinational music business. They know it, and we know it. I don't see a problem with it. If you are in a band you get money from selling records. If you don't sell you don't get much money. You become poor- see how poor(financially) Blur were before they actually started to sell anything and there's only four of them. I want Legal Man to go top ten because hearing B&S on radio 1 daytime is a triumph and because they deserve it.Props to whoever said they didn't realise the route to top 40 success was electric sitars.... Paul. Selling out since 1978. Finished my Disseration since yesterday. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Thu May 4 11:06:02 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:06:02 +1200 Subject: Sinister: sell outs? PAH! Message-ID: <000701bfb5b0$5e804780$f26137d2@computer> One point no one seems to have raised re: B&S's supposed "selling out" is the fact that 'Legal Man' is a non-album single. Non-album singles are the epitome of "indie-cred", and are not usually released by such luminaries as Steps, 5ive etc. 'Real' bands like The Smiths, Joy Division and New Order release these type of singles. The reason the format is not very popular with mainstream acts is because these singles don't help sell albums because .... they're not on them. Sure, B&S could have given us an album track, split over two CDs, with remixes or something on the second disc, but in the interest of their fanbase (no doubt - can't see any other reason) they didn't. In the same way that the 'Modern Rock Song' EP was released as a 4 track, 20 minute & one second EP a few months after anything with four tracks or over 20 minutes became ineligible for chart entry. There will always be naysayers who moan about how they "like their new old stuff more than their new stuff" and rabbit on about selling out, but personally I welcome new fans to the B&S fold - it's a great place to be, and hopefully not an exclusive club. If more people can be moved by B&S, in the way I have been, then I'm very very happy for them. You can wait a lifetime for a band as special as Belle & Sebastian to come around - and I think they're too good not to share. May their stars shine bright on TOTP! (phew ... rant over) good night folks. Lawrence http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From m.hester at xxx.uk Thu May 4 11:29:48 2000 From: m.hester at xxx.uk (Hester, Mark (ELS)) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:29:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: sell outs? PAH! Message-ID: >'Real' bands like The Smiths, Joy Division and New Order release these type of singles. it's gr8 (another variant) to hear these words of wisdom from Lawrence. Of course any band worth its salt releases singles which do not appear on albums, although it is interesting to note that all the examples he quotes had compilation albums released at a later date, on which the aforementioned singles appeared. Of course, a 'best of' compilation is itself seen as an example of 'selling out' in some quarters, especially when it's called 'Greatest Hits'. >May their stars shine bright on TOTP! Good point, would B&S do TOTP? Or would they be like the Clash and refuse to? Their shyness and the relative rareness of their live appearances suggest that they wouldn't. Mark. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From idleberry at xxx.com Thu May 4 12:29:02 2000 From: idleberry at xxx.com (idle berry) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 04:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Jeepster chat stabs you in the back. Message-ID: <20000504112902.18579.qmail@web615.mail.yahoo.com> dear all, this is a message I thought anyone might want to read. In repsonse, yes, I am well pissed off. While jeepster chat is closing for financial reasons, fair enough. but I thought some of the other comments Mr David Kitchen had to make were a little bitchy and quite frankly, backstabbing. The fact that he hasn't even bothered to tell anyone (and he has our e mail addresses at his disposal) to their face, in my opinion, adds to the fact that what he is saying is cowardly and pathetic. As a regular user of jeepster chat, I have experienced a minimal amount of abuse. Those who have abused it have always been dealt with accordingly. Thats what happens. But I think it was entirely unfair of David Kitchen to say we are unfriendly. I myself started going into jeepster chat around the same time I joined sinister. And that was at the start of the year, if anyone isn't sure. I found everyone to be friendly. Thats why I kept going there. And the majority of newomers I have seen come in have also either commented on the friendliness, and usually come back in. So what happens when you start going to a site on a regular basis? you become a regular. You chat to people, about everything and anything, you debate things, and discussions range from belle and sebastian songs, Stuart David leaving B+S, to what we have to do that day. In my case, usually far too much work that I keep postponding! And it doesn't usually seem to matter who you are chatting to. A newcomer, who is interested in talking, or another regular, who wants to know how you are getting on with life in general. So some people have insulted his boss. Well, to be honest, I'm not the type to lay down the red carpet and scatter rose petals just for someone who is deemed important. Not into arse licking myself. My tongue is nice and pink, and intend to keep it that way rather than turn it a vile shade of brown. Like I said, there are a few people who abuse chat, and are dealt with accordingly. And jeepster have our e mail addresses if they want to point fingers. I think to call jeepster chat cliquey is a bit out of order. Regulars come and go. Its the same with all chat sites, mailing sites, message boards, etc etc etc. So what made David Kitchen take a leave of his senses and start insulting those people (I feel I'm probably included in this) that regularly visit this site? People who are on the whole, a friendly bunch. I've made friends there, its not impossible. Who knows? any one got a conspiracy theory about Aliens arriving at his little office and nicking off with the real bloke? Ultimately, what it has created, is a feeling of bitterness that he has been so underhand to bitch like this. Close it for financial reasons, but don't blame the chatters for it. This is all my own opinion, and I realise not everyone will either agree with me on it, nor appreciate it. But I had to let it out. david kitchen, sod you. cheers, Idleberry > >the site recives 400,000 page impressions PER WEEK >the chat engine does the same. > >the site costs �500 per month to keep and maintain, but barely covers it's costs >through the jeepster web store (no profits are actually made since we subsidise >the site). > >the chat engine costs �600 per month and has no money flowing in to support it and >also takes a lot of admin and is continually abused by it's users (it doesn't help >when my boss goes in, and even when he tries to talk about the music, he just gets >people swearing at him or talking about knickers!). > >basically put, the site is a very large high maintenance one, for a service to be >kept, it has to prove that it is worth it. the site in general has done this, but >the chat has done the opposite, it is not proving that it is financially worth it, >it is not encouraging people to listen to the other bands, it is not a welcoming >place for fans any more (it was for a while), a clique has also evolved which >prevents it now being the welcoming place it was. > >basically the chat will be removed, and most likely when i'm self-employed i may >be able to set up my own one in replace without the need for accountability, but >jeepster will not host it since it costs too much and is inefficient. the jeepster >site will instead try a multi-threaded bulletin board (you can keep these on topic >and if it's part of the site it will encourage use of the web store and may >actually cover it's costs!), but the jeepster chat is doomed. > >as for buro252, i am him > >cheers > >david > >+-------------------------------------------------------------------+ > David Kitchen mailto:david at jeepster.co.uk > Jeepster Recordings Ltd http://www.jeepster.co.uk > PO Box 14153, London SW11 4XU, UK ICQ:28483699 > Tel: +44 (0)20 7924 2324 > Fax: +44 (0)20 7924 6161 ===== http://www.geocities.com/idleberry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Thu May 4 13:02:10 2000 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 05:02:10 PDT Subject: Sinister: Selling out (a new twitch, dont delete!) Message-ID: <20000504120210.90109.qmail@hotmail.com> Welly well, it's me again. Remember me? I used to be sweet. And I still am. Only one thing to say: SELLING OUT Oh yes. How I love this debate. A bit like two kids arguing in the playground. Kid one: "My dad is stronger than yours." Kid two: "No, my dad!" Kid one: "No, my dad!" Kid two: "No, my dad!" etc. etc. etc.... times fucking one thousend and one. I have NOTHING else to say about the subject but this: http:www.bspoll.freeservers.com I spent three hours here at the office trying to make the poll work. I'm not sure it does, but that's not the point. Maybe it's better that it doesn't work, otherwise we might be exposed to some horrible secrets. But: I think we ALL can find ourselves in there somewhere, eh? Not trying to be bitchy, just saying that the fucking "sellout/not!"- thing has gone too far. Maybe I should also start a Stop the Madness/ Who gives a shit?- campaign so there'd be some sense in this. Or perhaps not. @--->--- Jake ps: Cheers. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skag_heaven at xxx.com Thu May 4 13:29:40 2000 From: skag_heaven at xxx.com (Tim Gardner) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 13:29:40 BST Subject: Sinister: Not everybody's on Top Of The Pops... Message-ID: <20000504122940.6097.qmail@hotmail.com> On the fantastical subject of selling out, here's a plug for a record that may or may not be twee. Depending on your point of view. HARPSICHORD 2000 (SHADO), featuring exclusive tracks from: Valvola The Make-Up Secret Goldfish* Electroscope Volume Allstars Momus Cinerama Stereo Total Die Moulinettes Count Indigo Barry Gemso Experience DJ Spectra Remington Super 60 Micromars Astro Black Stereo NME reviewed it last week and gave it 7/10. It's bloody great sounding and the sleeve is pretty darned great too. 19 tracks of Harpsi-madness (ahem) and it'll only cost �6 inc UK P&P from me at 49B Ellora Road, Streatham Common, London, SW16 6JG. Cheques to T. Gardner. Cheaper than in the shops, a Sinister-special-deal-for-the-kids kinda thing. Tim * - obligatory B&S content, sort of. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vibrosheep at xxx.net Thu May 4 13:36:40 2000 From: vibrosheep at xxx.net (vibrosheep at xxx.net) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 13:36:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: It aint exactly minimum wage, but.......... Message-ID: <200005041236.MAA20914@mailhost.vivao.net> Oh bollocks, I've been stirred into writing again by the resurgence of the East Devon wing of this 'ere list. It saddens me (and I don't mean to be offensive for once) that some of us are taking this "selling out" business sooooooooooo seriously. Everyone has their passions, and one of the Dukes is obviously P!O!P! but at the end of the day, do we really need to read so much into the subject that we take it all beyond simple entertainment ?? Now, I'll be up front with yers, I know shite about the music industry (I just sit on me arse all day tapping buttons, drinking cider, making babies and playing silly computer games - they are my passions), but B&S do what they do for a living, it's their job, and they've a right to try and make as much or as little money as they want out of it. Only, they don't get all their remuneration - their employers decide that they want to keep some of it for themselves. If my boss said to me, "Here's your payslip. Your salaries been credited to your bank account. Oh but by the way I've kept �xxx for meself", I'd twat him one so hard he'd be seeing pound signs for weeks. First and foremost I guess the band write and play their music for their own enjoyment. Then they happen to be rather damn good at it all and are kind enough to share it with the rest of us. As for the amount of material put out over the last couple of years, I'd rather be touched briefly by something once every twelve months than be showered with shat every five minutes in the name of profit. I wholeheartedly agree with the Duke about the weaknesses of the last album and EP, but like DoH I remember the bits of the first 2 LP's which made me cream me Y's, and, if there is one track on FELCHYPLOP that rekindles some of those feelings in me, then I'm there on the local record stores doorstep at 9am on June 5th. I'll see you there. I've said me bit - right I'm off to read up on the advantages of terry nappies. Take care and be kind to Welshmen. Adrian. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Thu May 4 13:46:54 2000 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:46:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: saturday night, dance, i like the way you move, pretty baby...... Message-ID: <01BFB5CF.35BB7A80.p.cullen@music-control.com> hola, i'm *not* new. i was wondering... if b&s sell out, does that mean that they will start having to hang out in Londons Trendy Met Bar? will Beanz be forced into a love tryst with one (or both) of the Appleton sisters? will Isobel be seen on the arms of Jamie Theakston and Goldie on alternating weeks? will Mick constantly surround himself with a bevvy of beauties and appear in a list of Scotlands Most Eligible Bachelors? oh wait, hang on....... on an entirely different note, i noticed a lot of people on this list have been dissing townies lately. that makes me sad. i kinda like townies, though obviously not the type who would actually *kill* you for looking crooked at them, even *i* have to admit that those ones are a *little* scarey. no, i mean the type who favour baaaad bubble perms and strappy silver sandals in november even though their legs look like two chunks of corned beef. and dont get me started about the girls. boom boom etc. of late, i have been mostly hanging out in what i suppose you would call townie pubs and clubs. they are great fun really, you know. at this stage i have developed somewhat of a rapport with the townies. they laugh at my taste in music and clothes. loudly, of course. and i laugh at theirs. inwardly, of course. i dont fancy having to get all my teeth replaced. again. "legal man"? hasn't got a patch on "tocas miracle".... Queen P. p.s. so cheapster chat is closing then? shit. i really wont sleep tonight now. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Thu May 4 14:05:42 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:05:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S go pop? You mean like 'popular'? Wow Message-ID: <802568D5.0048B3B7.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> To come back to what honey said, this seems to be a rather bizarre paper man argument. As far as I can make out... The duke is sorry that the band don't mean so much to him anymore. I don't think he ever used the phrase 'selling out'. He just liked it when their aesthetic was a little different. That's fine. Personally, I think bedsit infamy is a good trap to escape. It's how you do it that's the tricky thing. No one has suggested that 'Legal Man' was musically conceived as a cynical commercial exercise. Some people (myself included) think that editing the CD version of 'Judy is a Dick Slap' so that completists need to but the 12" too stinks. No, it's not the most heinous crime in the world by a long stretch, and yes loads of fuckers do it (although you usually get more for your extra money than a few extra minutes of an instrumental). I just thought B&S were better than that. This is the only thing that fits in with what you might call a 'sell out'. Not re-releasing Tigermilk (although they took their bloody time about it) would *not* have been appreciated, Reid. Deliberately under-distributed wanky limited edition vinyl releases are just as bad as double-CD single sets. Not selling out is not equivalent to subscribing to some stupid indie elitist (some 'elite'!) ethic. Not selling out means not just doing things for the money and not screwing your fans. For all the moronic flak it got, making the first 3 EPs available in a set (making for easier distribution and cheaper prices abroad), and making the slipcase separately available at cost price was a recent sign that the band/label are not intent on doing the latter. I hope that the 'Legal Man' format thing is just an aberration. What I'm trying to say is that two separate arguments are getting mixed up under the unhelpful heading 'selling out'. Some people don't like strands of the band's new musical direction, not because they are too commercial, but because they seem 'fake' in some way, lacking in heart, indicating a band that has lost its way. Other people are pissed off with the fact that completist fans will have to fork ou twice for the new single. That is all. I knew things had got confused when Denise suggested that the duke was moaning that they were 'going pop'. On the subject of the troubled Denise, I wasn't overly keen on the idea of the 'list hate' votes, until someone suggested that it should be banned on the grounds that it's 'not very twee'. Too bloody right it isn't. Let's institute it immediately and make people cry. *Only* joking. One questions to those who insist on using the word 'twee' without irony as some kind of self-evident badge of authenticity for B&S fans: Are you happy for Belle & Sebastian to be pigeonholed as 'twee'? You see I think that's pretty faint praise. I'd say that an example of a song that is 'excessively sentimental' (Collins Dictionary) is something like 'Tomorrow' from 'Annie'. Is this the kind of music you see as B&S's musical antecedent? God I'm grumpy today. Nick x PS. I missed a few words out of my last post. I meant to say that when *I thought* that's how the line from 'Half a Person' went I liked it more. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From toby at xxx.uk Thu May 4 14:09:51 2000 From: toby at xxx.uk (Toby Blake) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:09:51 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Re: Delgados In-Reply-To: sinister-digest's message of Thu, 4 May 2000 13:02:32 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-ID: <200005041309.OAA10369@rhymer.cogsci.ed.ac.uk> > I am confused by two things, and would appreciate if anyone could > help. Firstly, I just the new Delgados - by jingo it's brilliant > (although Dave Friedman's production makes it sound like a Mercury > Rev/Flaming Lips album There were few more disappointing albums for me last year than Mercury Rev's excruciating progfest - I remember the sheer boyish joys of Yerself Is Steam. This year, it's the turn of the Delgados to churn out some over-produced rubbish. Apparently they were getting sick of being described as "lo-fi". Not going to happen now, is it? That Dave Friedman has an uncanny knack of making everyone sound like Supertramp. Have the male members of the Delgados grown beards? I bet they have. Toby +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From brandtpfundak at xxx.com Thu May 4 14:27:49 2000 From: brandtpfundak at xxx.com (Brandt Fundak) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 06:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: You find Belle and Sebastian fans in the STRANGEST places! Message-ID: <20000504132749.27631.qmail@web1801.mail.yahoo.com> Hey all, Okay, quick background. I am a pro wrestling fan. Yes, I know it is silly, but for some reason I love it. Anyway, we were talking on one of the boards about bands selling out paralleling wrestlers who are over with fans getting lazy and I said that if everyone else wants to like the sell out band (in this case REM) and the over lazy wrestler (in this case the soon to be Mummy II star The Rock) that's fine, but I would keep secrets like Belle and Sebastian and Chris Benoit(a hard working wrestler that I like) to myself. I got this response: Although this may not have to do with anything, I too am a fan of indie rock. I've heard of Belle and Sebastian, and for wusses, they kick ass. I just thought I'd share :) Brandt ===== "Selma, Jub Jub is fantastic! He's everywhere you want to be!" --Troy McClure __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Thu May 4 15:55:30 2000 From: Ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (STOUT RJ) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 15:55:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I'm a big baby Message-ID: <39118F61.442BD92A@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk> I think I must be very affected by smells. Not an attack of The Smells, you understand, I mean the smell of places and objects. I just walked into the toilets here in my department and I think the cleaners must have just left because it smelled very clean and it reminded me of the changing rooms in an old cricket pavillion where my dad used to play. It was very strange, I was most overcome. Could have been the fumes, though. Oh dear it sounds like I spend all my time hanging around in changing rooms and toilets now. I don't, honest. My physics tutor looks like a big baby. Whenever he's explaining something to me I expect him to do a fat burp and gurgle "I'm a big bayy-beee". That would be fun. Nick continues his crusade against tweeness. True, twee's not a flattering word, and I'm not all that keen on giving myself a label, but I'm quite fond of the, um, ambient of the band and I don't think it should be denyed. Maybe there's another word to describe it. Other genres of music have suitably vague terms to describe themselves with, so perhaps we need one that isn't so, well, twee. I remember reading an interview with Tompaulin recently where the singer said that they sounded a bit like B+S, but were less "sickly sweet", I think. And I remember thinking to myself, "But Belle and Sebastian aren't sickly sweet are they?". Most of Belle and Sebastian's songs are quite sad really. I think one of the best things about them is that they can sing about what they do *without* being twee. There's nothing wrong with not being very rock, and just because you're not it doesn't automatically mean you're twee, you know. On the subject of selling out: I'm bored, can we talk about something else now please? Robin x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From m.waggner at xxx.net Thu May 4 16:10:57 2000 From: m.waggner at xxx.net (Michele Waggner) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:10:57 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Selling out 101: prerequisites vary Message-ID: <003301bfb5da$f4a4c400$3aab4f0c@amstech> Some thoughts, even though no one has offered me a penny... If the band are "selling out" it has to be the longest attempted sell-out in history... a quick spin through the archives shows we were talking about their imminent sell-out and booking stadium shows back in the autumn of 1997 at least. We cringed when the list reached 100, and thought it would crumble at 500. Now look at us... thousands of Sinisterines, the list humming along, Mummy putting band-aids on our knees -- and the band STILL isn't playing Madison Square Garden or the UK equivalent. Plus ca change, etc. So far as I know, most if not all of them still have their day jobs. I don't think they've *quite* gotten the hang of selling-out effectively. Maybe they can pick up a copy of "Selling Out for Dummies" off amazon.com or something. Get with the program, jeez. Not being a musician or very artistic myself, I don't know... but I'd imagine that it's impossible to hit brilliance each and every time. I'd also imagine that every once in awhile you'd want to experiment with something new. Where would Picasso (for lack of any other name) be if he'd gotten stuck with just his blue tubes of paint? And I'll bet there were quite a few pages torn out of his sketchbook and crumpled up, over time. And the odd bad review. Plus, things I might like someone else might hate, due to our individual... tastes? or eye, or whatever it is that one brings to appreciation of anything. The thing I like to do, even when I don't particularly like something, is to try and see what the artist/musician/author/whoever was trying to make me see, or hear. What they were looking at when they made the thing, what they were trying to tell themselves. Even if I still don't like it, I can see where they were trying to go. I think creativity is probably very selfish, in a way -- or like talking to oneself. A struggle maybe to make something inside the brain or soul or heart clearer. In the end, only the creator of the thing knows if they've achieved it. If it speaks to other people, that's a plus. And if the artist can make a living doing that, then they deserve to. It fuels the ability to keep on doing it, at the very least. I don't really think that it is selling-out to offer one's vision to others for a look, necessarily. I suppose it is in the way that it is done. Whether one creates to sell, or sells what one has created. Chicken and egg. I don't think the new cd was made with an eye towards sales. I think they were using some new tubes of paint, trying a new palette. Hard for them to win, isn't it? If they kept turning out IYFS over and over again, eventually people would be criticizing that, and maybe rightly so. Nothing much interesting about a one-trick pony. I remember first hearing IYFS and being KNOCKED OVER by it, just amazed by the gorgeousness of it. None of the subsequent things had quite the effect on me, much as I love many of them. I had a hard time with TBWTAS at first, but I've warmed to a lot of it over time. FYHCYWLAP will cause a stir I suspect. I am a different person than I was 3 or 4 years ago, and thank goodness for that on some fronts, sadly on others. I have my own expectations on what I'd like the band to do, but I'm not them. But I hope all of us remember that the band made the record that reflected what they were trying to see at this point in time. If they didn't hit the nail on the head, only they know. We're just kind of privileged to take a look, if we so choose. That being said, I don't much like the way the single was released, in the various format versions. Maybe at some point the band will address the reasoning behind that. But then again, I don't particularly begrudge the band making money, either. It's a thin line to walk but my feeling is that the band aren't mercenary sell-outs. I think they're too nice for that all in all. Would we rather they just stood around busking outside subway stations? Would that make them more pure? I don't think they'd smell as good, after awhile. On another note: I don't know what's up with Cheepstair International... I'm sure we'll all find out eventually. But, we're in a nice little Sinister bubble here and as Jeepster goes, we don't necessarily go. We've always been a little INDEPENDENT country, like Switzerland, only sloppier. Let the people in the outside world go about their battles... we'll sit cozied up by the fire drinking tea and playing records. Maybe some Charades. And on a MORE IMPORTANT note: I am soo worried about David and Sally Moore and family, and hope that all is well with them. --michele +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com Thu May 4 05:31:27 2000 From: jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com (Harry Hunt) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:31:27 +1200 Subject: Sinister: chat References: <003301bfb5da$f4a4c400$3aab4f0c@amstech> Message-ID: <20000504153819.65046.qmail@hotmail.com> www.moriendi.webprovider.com/chat uses the same script as Jeepster did, and I run it, so there's no politix involved other than mine own personal vendettas. While I'm here, why doesn't everyone on sinister who lives in York mail me? I've found quite a few now. Cheers Harry +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kittenmouse at xxx.com Thu May 4 17:57:23 2000 From: kittenmouse at xxx.com (kittenmouse radio) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:57:23 -0700 Subject: Sinister: b&s on mtv? ain't gonna happen. In-Reply-To: <200005041202.NAA03766@missprint.org> Message-ID: > If we could like start a petition > for B&S to make a video that would be MTV worthy. i don't know what mtv channel you kids are watching, but the mtv channel i've surfed on by for the last five years or so doesn't play something as silly as a 'music video'. so don't get your hopes up. you might see a belle and sebastian video played a total of, say, once, on the show called 120 minutes. but last time i watched that, they were just playing old crap and things that weren't exactly 'non-mainstream'. plus, if you haven't heard, mtv (and the rest of the kids), aren't exactly interested in sad, gentle pop music. more like, horrible, sexist, homophobic rock/rap or new kids on the block clones or fifteen year old porn stars. try to make quality music, and the kids respond with a resounding 'NO, we want utter CRAP, if you please'. of course, i'm talking about american mtv. i heard rumors that M2 and other non-american mtv channels are much better. M2 did have Bobby Conn as a guest dj, so they can't be that bad. but i have no idea where m2 is even broadcast. anyway, enough ranting. anyone read a book called Ordinary People, by Judith Guest? i just started it. it's pretty good. sincerely, kittenmouse +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From FoxInASnow at xxx.com Thu May 4 18:11:11 2000 From: FoxInASnow at xxx.com (FoxInASnow at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:11:11 EDT Subject: Sinister: catching children in the rye Message-ID: <94.3eaf12c.2643092f@aol.com> In regards to this Harpsichord 2000 Tim Gardner posted about: What makes Secret Goldfish obligatory B&S content? I ask this because my friends wanted to name their band Secret Goldfish, till we found out there was already a band with that name. But we don't know anything about this band except for the name. Do they have B&S content? Let me just say, you sign off the list for a week or two or maybe a year, you come back and you feel like the awkward new kid all over again. I recognize a few names, but i feel like i'll never catch up. Maybe i should have everyone over to my house for a big international sinister party, and then i'd know you all. Unless i were a poor hostess, and then nobody would ever talk to me again...oh no! Jess +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glen.mitchell at xxx.com Thu May 4 19:13:06 2000 From: glen.mitchell at xxx.com (Glen) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 19:13:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: All Cursey And All Message-ID: <006d01bfb5f4$82b7e240$749e073e@oemcomputer> Enough of this "selling out" thing. It won't happen. At the press conference thingy, Stu said about the Stone Roses, "They got fame and started doing interviews and they started to get a bit self-conscious and to me that's rubbish. What they had at the start was magic and powerful." That's not neccessarily saying they're not going to go top 20, but they seem to be set on keeping their feet firmly on the ground. NME report here: http://www.nme.com/newsdesk/20000504121150.html It was also very interesting to hear about Stuart's "fucking spraying the walls", about how we "don't fucking know about that", and how he's "not going to come down here and fucking talk about it". Let's take it he feels very strongly about this. Glen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pinefox at xxx.com Thu May 4 19:31:58 2000 From: pinefox at xxx.com (P F) Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 18:31:58 GMT Subject: Sinister: Don't Fold Your Papers, Kids, It Looks Like A Top-Up System Message-ID: <20000504183158.67852.qmail@hotmail.com> It's May 4th, 2000. It's 7:20. It's just about time to gather my torts, pack up my kipple, load up on forged ballot papers and catch the tube to Camden. You see, no-one's mentioned that it's the 2nd anniversary of the first sinister picnic. Being a twee character - I mean, excessively sentimental, kind of like a spare character from 'Annie', but more 'Broken Blossoms' if you catch my drift - I was moved to tears by this. - Those burly football boys of 98 have forgotten our hurtling mid-pitch encounters!, I blinked through tear-stained eyes. I have decided to take the lore into my own paws. I'm organizing an event called 'It's Two Years Since The First Sinister Picnic' on Primrose Hill. It starts in 35 minutes, at 8pm. I'm going to eat the whole baguette, and probably a kettle of bag chips, myself. Then I'm going to drag weary limbs slowly to the Laid (On) Buzzard pub and buy round after generous round for myself. I'm enhancing the plan by "selling out". I have sold the rights for ITYSTFSP to BBC1, who will be broadcasting their London Mayoral results from it. The programme will be called 'London Subsides'. Ken Livingstone is coming at nine to swap purple things with me. I have a few, and so does he. In response to the character assassination practised against him by the so-called media and that over the last few days, not to mention the last 20 years, we are planning the nearest equivalent we can find to this practice, namely digit murder. At ten, the Ken and I will be singing traditional East European karaoke on the pavement outside. All the CDs used at the event are available from Tower Records. Tomorrow we'll be emphasizing our "sell-out" further by holding a press conference on Radio 5 Live. We'll be talking about congestion charges, Chelsea tube extensions, making the police more accountable, and our plans to issue two editions of each annual mayoral report, so that Ken fans in London have to buy both. The 'It's [x] Years Since The First Sinister Picnic' event will become a yearly, then a twice-yearly, then (thru summer) a monthly event. Charges will be made; batons too. Cordons will be erected (they'll be bleu). See you there, pinefox at ken4l.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Thu May 4 22:11:02 2000 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:11:02 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Small Blue Thing Message-ID: <002101bfb60d$a42e6fc0$1581243e@itjfvkli> I think Suzanne Vega said it best with "I guess it's called my destiny, that I am changing, changing". It's been a long time since the shock/thrill/freakout of the first B&S tunes, they've changed a bit, and we've changed a bit. I haven't heard the new album, that would be impossible because it isn't out yet, but if I had I wouldn't be at all surprised to find it startlingly uncommercial and uncompromising, as if the intervening years have been spent building something up and then painstakingly taking it to pieces again. Personally, I can't wait to hear it. I'm particularly keen to hear what Isobel's come up with this time. Good old Stuart! I do so love him when he's angry. I didn't know he goes round spraying the walls. Our neighbour's cat does that. I like Primal Scream's new stuff, Stuart. I didn't at first, but then I realised it sounded exactly like "Holidays in the Sun" by The Sex Pistols, and isn't that what they started out trying to do? Right back in the beginning? There's a photo of The 'Scream in this week's Q Magazine. They look remarkably like former list favourites The 'Waddy. And their politics sounds a lot like drug-addled nonsense. Will they be campaigning for that farmer as well? I bet Malcolm "The Duke" Allured will, because one of his pubs is quite isolated. Showaddywaddy were one of the first multi-racial groups in Britain. They rarely get the credit for that. Some of my friends used to take the piss out of me for liking Primal Scream. I sold all my old vinyl the other week. It was a very painful experience, and it didn't have anything to do with not being able to listen to the music anymore. Jeepster's reasons for closing the chat room sound hauntingly familiar to some of us. Apparently, Sinister is a clique too. Jeepster bashing is one of the things that make the list worthwhile, it usually goes like this; we bash Jeepster, they take us off their Snow Patrol news list, we bash Jeepster, they start their own list, we bash Jeepster, they try to get people on the list in trouble, we talk about knickers to Jeepster, they close down the chat room. I think it's all done in a spirit of fun. Surely? I hope I dream about an angry Stuart Murdoch tonight. Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keleidoscopic at xxx.com Thu May 4 22:21:41 2000 From: keleidoscopic at xxx.com (Chris Paluch) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: When Band psychology is misunderstood Message-ID: <20000504212141.1188.qmail@web802.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, B&S are not selling out, but there is a bit of songwriting and band psych 101 involved here. El Zober, did not get why i can understand why B&S seem to be a little weird, and I can say it is perfectly natural, and i can understand why thier new stuff may not be as good, or completely differant from thier old stuff. IT IS NOT SELLING OUT. I have alot of freinds who are in bands, some bands that hit it big, some bands that are still struggling, and some bands that well can be huge, but just never get over thier own personality. But all good bands have the band psychology effect, a sort of constant questioning and struggle to write good songs. It happens to anybody who is a muscian, maybe B&S is in a downcycle, and hopefully they get some grand self realization where they produce another really damn good album. Well if they are around that long, but niether jeepster or matador is going to drop them, so the only way they are going to break up is well personal disputes....so they will probably go through a cycle where they will produce a bunch of good stuff. It happens to every band... So hang in thier folks, plus even the not so good B&S stuff is probably really good. Plus this selling out question is silly since B&S had thier chance and turned it down. Chris ===== The sole member of the Lost Letter Society A society dedicated to turtle lovers everywhere. Http://www.mp3.com/LostLetterSociety __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cartoonclouds at xxx.uk Fri May 5 00:36:30 2000 From: cartoonclouds at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?b=20Tilston?=) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:36:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Jeepster chat owns my soul Message-ID: <20000504233630.26068.qmail@web4305.mail.yahoo.com> Can I just mention to everyone that it was Star Wars day yesterday, so "May the fourth be with you". I am SO sorry... I reference to IdleBerry's comments about Jeepster chat closing down. Is this true? Where will I go babble on about nothing in a friendly way when I come in from the pub? How will I live? I have been on there many times in the last month, and, as far as I can see, no one is abusing it. The worst thing that you could probably term abuse is the fact that some people go on there specifically to talk to their friends. That's it. Everyone else is lovely and friendly and they always take their shoes off before going in. Idleberry. We should start a petition. We need Jeepster Chat for our personal and spiritual growth. Save it now... Byesy bye now, Love Beth xxx ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Fri May 5 02:02:08 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:02:08 +1200 Subject: Sinister: edited track on CD - WHY? Message-ID: <001701bfb62d$cda6afa0$0e6137d2@computer> I am spending FAR too much time reading and posting to sinister. One point I was wondering in anyone could clarify is WHY the edit of "Judy is a Dick Slap" is on the CD? (David Kitchen/Mick Cooke? someobody on the list?) I was wondering if all three songs on the CD were quite long, and that the total time made it over 20 minutes, hence editing the track to make it eligible for chart entry. In which case I am quite happy for the label to trim the track by a few minutes. but if it's just a ploy to make anal-completists like me buy it twice, I'll be a little miffed. (But, sad bstard that I am, I will STILL buy it in both formats!) Maybe if someone from the label clarified this people would moan a little less. how about it Jeepster??? Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.uk Fri May 5 01:59:36 2000 From: ian at xxx.uk (ian) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 01:59:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: return to odd Message-ID: <000001bfb62d$68bd8e60$c145883e@default> hello again my furry friends, its been a while... and i wanted to return with some stunningly witty mail about stuart david leaving the planet, and living permanently on mars... i had it all planned...a comment about not being able to find a looper record in an "indie" record shop, a clever joke about stuey d leaving the planet, looking for a nicer place, and then perhaps a mail as stuey (using that clever old trick of changing my name in the "options" box of outlook express.....i know it fools you all time after time) or, failing that, i was planning perhaps a short resume of life after gay eastenders for the dirty den of sinister, how my rampant nights with grant had ultimately ended in disappointment. raucous stories of pam st clements, barbara windsor and a jeff stryker dildo. amusing and pithy vignettes about the arthur fowler drag experience... i know how you all would have chuckled to yourselves as you fought with the desire to press that delete button. sadly, i have just been out into the world, and now i don't feel like doing either of these. perhaps you will see why. but first, a hypothesis: b&s are twee. this is, of course, as undeniable as the fact that the smiths were depressing and that britney spears is actually a hairy chested builder called dave. and here on the sinister list we ape our heroes ,of course, as mindless saddos do. we talk about hello kitty and nice little bunny rabbits and generally exchange whimsy with one another. and this is what we know, and this is what we like. hell, even The Great Hefner (oops, sorry, almost choked on my miffy easter egg there) have passed comment upon our world....it isn't the "real" world... it does not cohere with the grim, harsh struggle that is the everyday experience of life for many people. the b&s/sinister existence is one where girls take other girls by the hand, and stroll away from lonely parks into the sunset, while the boy sits and contemplates life. it doesn't cover the fact that outside the park there are queerbashers waiting for the girls, and that as the boy ambles home with his hands in his pockets, and his "looper" t-shirt proudly displayed to the whole wide world, he comes directly into contact with his friendly neighbourhood muggers. b&s fans would rather ignore this fact. this accusation has been printed in select magazine, after all, so it must be true. so it must be refreshing to leave this world every once in a while, yes? to leave the house, throw my cardie down onto the pavement and stride purposefully into realtime.. find out what i have been missing all these veggie-nibbling years... first stop, outside the garage round the corner from me, where on sunday night a man was covered in paraffin and set on fire - well, he deserved it, he'd had the nerve not only to be offensively black in a public area of our multicultural society, he'd also spoken back to the white man who, that night, was hunting in packs, and carrying torches.. past this spot...it isn't very pleasant. think nice thoughts about mice living in windmills in old amsterdam.. think about marshmallows and teddy bears and walk up to the university. now this is more like it. birmingham university. on a special day....the air buzzes with excitement...tomorrow, the queen is coming to visit. the professional chewing-gum removers have been at work for two days on the library steps, a huge bed of identical-height red tulips have mysteriously appeared in the middle of the square, the black fencing around the grass has been taken down, so she can go for a little wander, and rest the royal arse if she wishes. even the offensive labourers on the building site have been given a couple of days off so her majesty is not disturbed on her rounds. what a beautiful place the real world is. i smile at the security men who eye me suspiciously as i pass and i avoid the big issue seller on the gate because i've already bought one and wouldn't want to waste my money. my heart is lifted, i sing a little ditty to myself as i amble past the gun factory and the wasteland where the dirty man is sitting, sniffing glue and i skip all the way through selly oak, blowing kisses to people as i pass.... never imagining that some of them could be having this conversation: "did you hear about that bloke that got set on fire on bristol road"... ........"yeah"............... "mind you, he probably deserved it" "what?" "yeah, you've seen the way some of them walk round, like they own the place"... no, i pay no attention to such remarks, and drift back to my house on a cloud of pink fluffiness, land in my inflatable chair and plump up a couple of flowery cushions as i turn on the television, hoping for re-runs of "bump", or at least "bagpuss". sadly, these are not in evidence. it seems everyone is talking about some election that went on today. i vaguely remember that i had been planning to vote, but i was too busy. i was learning to play the maracas and shake my arse at the same time, like sarah cracknell, and this seemed like a more worthwhile use of my life. still,everybody on television is talking about this election, like it was something important. they are also talking about asylum-seekers, and how bad they are. briefly, i have time to wonder if these are the people we bombed out of their homes, or whether i've got confused and these are just the people who were running away from genocide... if so, what have they got to worry about, really? i mean, the new yo la tengo album is great and sarah cox is on the breakfast show...doesn't this bring joy to these people? no, it seems not. the fact that their country was destroyed and william hague wants to put them in concentration...oops, sorry, i meant "internment"... camps seems to preoccupy them for some reason. turn the telly off, grope for my looper album... right now, i need to hear "i'm quite happy...i'm quite happy....i'm quite happy, burning flies". not only does it cheer me up, but it seems to say something about the human condition. i look at my scooby doo poster.... my own little world isn't such a bad place. what have i tried to change today? very little, only my own mind, and that has been hard enough. still, i haven't beaten anybody up, i haven't upset anyone and i haven't dropped chewing gum on the library steps. this is a good time to be like that boy in the park, at the end of TIJAMRS, and sit and reflect upon life... the real world, as hefner know it... do i want to change it? yes do i know how to change it? no do i really have the energy to try? probably not it occurs to me that everyone who has tried to change the world for the better has ultimately caused as much harm as good. karl marx had a dream of equality. tell that to the people who suffered ceaucescu's reign. oppenheimer wanted to create the weapon to end all wars... unfortunately for the people of hiroshima. hell, even jesus fucked up. there was a do-gooder if ever there was one, but without him there would have been no spanish inquisition.. i suppose even margaret thatcher must have thought what she was doing was right. before she went mad, at least. yeah...the real world, where people who play with matches get burnt, and it seems that day by day the flames get more intense. no thank you, that isn't for me. for now, i'll reflect on the fact that sarah cracknell thinks crew cuts and trainers are out again. i'll listen with joy, as i always do, to the opening bars of "sleep the clock around" with the whirly swirly music that makes my insides smile, and i'll try and ignore the fact that the song also contains the lyric: "well could this be the day/that somebody will come/ and say "look at yourself, you're not much use to anyone".... that, after all, might be relevant to "real life" and not very twee. that might connect with the world where it is thought that one person deserves to be burnt alive and another deserves to walk through shining corridors and see blooming tulips everywhere she goes. i don't like that world. give me the love beads. hand me back my cardie. i'll go and play with words and pictures, i'll admit i'm feeling strange. rome is burning, my friend, and birmingham too. pass me a fiddle, and shake a maraca ian --------------------------------------------- Tomorrow will bring happiness Or at least, another day Phil Ochs +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keleidoscopic at xxx.com Fri May 5 08:59:28 2000 From: keleidoscopic at xxx.com (Chris Paluch) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Please ignore or delete my previous post Message-ID: <20000505075928.3263.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Please ignore my previous post because A. It was never meant to be sent B. It is inaccurate garbage(misqoutes and words not included) C. I wrote it when I had little or no sleep. Just delete it already. Chris ===== The sole member of the Lost Letter Society A society dedicated to turtle lovers everywhere. Http://www.mp3.com/LostLetterSociety __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Fri May 5 12:43:30 2000 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:43:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: its just me, myself and pie. Message-ID: <01BFB68F.862C6C20.p.cullen@music-control.com> i dont know if anyone has already put this link up or *quite* what the point is but here ye go anyway: http://www.mindspring.com/~jasminejj/bellespoof/index.htm PCBX. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From eculb at xxx.uk> Fri May 5 14:23:09 2000 From: eculb at xxx.uk> (eculb at xxx.uk>) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:23:09 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) Subject: Sinister: My B&S report! Message-ID: hello, well i'd just thought i'd let people know about the question and answer thingy on wednesday if they are at all interested. The 10 Room was the setting for this shindig, in Picadilly, London (very nice place it is too). I gather that the event was primarily for the press, and that was why it was in London as opposed to Glasgow; also thats why only 20 tickets were given to the members of the public like myself. I dont know if holding a press conference constitutes selling out though- i was happy just to be there. after a while, all seven members came along and sat down in front of microphones and cameras, and they all looked rather well. Topics of discussion ranged from Steps ('freaks, but nice freaks'-Stu M), to the importance of being Belle & Sebastian (l-o-n-g discussion), to why Stuart is so obssessed with buses (he went on to extoll the virtues of the new Glasgow public transport system), to the title of the new album (Stuart read it years ago on the door of the lavatory he was sitting on), to Stuarts performance in the Bowlie football ('was i playing for Sinister? oh thats even better'), to why the 12" of Legal Man has the extended track (Chris maintained that thats what 12" records or for, and i can kind of see both points of view on this debate), and lots of other stuff besides i cant remember right now. Afterwards they played the video for Legal Man, a kind of 1960s pastiche of those smoky club affairs with lots of gentlemen laughing and drinking and frollicking whilst the band play on a stage. After that, i think Chris went and DJ'd for a while, and more drinks and the band went and chatted to various people. So a good time was had by all! Cheers to Paul for his company, to radio 1 for supplying the tickets, to Jeepster, to the band, and finally to all those lovely people who have read ALL this! Whew! James +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pinefox at xxx.com Fri May 5 16:47:18 2000 From: pinefox at xxx.com (P F) Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 15:47:18 GMT Subject: Sinister: if not for explication, at least for explicitation Message-ID: <20000505154719.651.qmail@hotmail.com> NOC NOC Hold Lose Gain NOC Waking up in a pile of spoiled ballot papers outside Romsey Town Hall, I found my thoughts drifting yet again to that issue of extra tracks, formats and the like. This business about a 'new single from Belle and Sebastian', about which I'd had pink dreams, struck me as probably a load of mild morning air; certainly I'd seen neither Herbie Hyde nor Tony Hares of it. Anyway, I hazed as I stumbled into the station and awaited the first service out of this place, the point was that some folk, somewhere, some time, had been complaining about the practice of releasing two formats of the same 45, with one track different - or was it one format of the different 54, with two tracks different? Hard to be sure. I hailed a passing Shirley Williams and demanded a strong espresso, wondering when it was that we all started to say 'espresso' rather than 'expresso'. The argument, I recited as I watched green England fly past, the argument is that the kids are in a sticky spot cos they have to buy every release, and thus releasers of multiple formats have the kids over a barrel. But why do the kids have to buy everything? Cos they're hardcore, or softskinned; cos they're devoted, acolytes, apostles as some Northern soul used to dub them (into Romanian). They love buying the records, they live for it: when the relevant Monday nine o'clock rolls around they're waiting outside Spin-a-Disc, liquorice allsorts in hand, about to revel in financial tribute to their heroes. They hand over the relevant fiver with joy. Spending. Buying. Consumption. Blowing cash on what they love - that's what the kids want. The train pulled into Paddington, and I closed my copy of The Revolution In Everyday Life. But hang on, I thought, pulling the emergency cord in my head. If that's what the kids like doing, why isn't a *favour* to them to release things in many formats, so that they can go to Select-a-Toon more than once a week, or two Mondays running? They can stand at the window and wonder which format to go for, till a voice inside says 'I can have both'. - You're forgetting one thing, said a leather-jacketed bruiser as he bumped into me on the concourse. I looked up. It was Joe Strummer, dragging behind him his new combo the Ciabattas. - You're forgettin', Joe went on, that the kids can't afford to buy all these formats. We discussed it over a Jail Guitar Door in the station bar, and Joe conceded that for lots of the kids nowadays, another four quid isn't so much to ask. Apparently, he assured me, they're all selling each other 'drugs' for sixteen quid a go. After three quarters of an hour he said he'd changed his mind, and would release three formats of his new 45 'Gringo Gangster Riot Stabbing Time'. But was it true, I wondered, that the kids actually liked buying multiple formats of things? I decided to find out. It was very hot. In Market Harborough I found kids crying on the street outside Our Price. It seemed that they were upset that the CD version of 'Roll With It' contained all the tracks available on the other formats. - You see, sobbed Hayley (15 - not her real name), we can't justify to ourselves our favourite activity, buying multiple formats of the same single! In the background a live version of 'Live Forever' thumped away. I realized that it was August 1995. Someone told me that the intro of 'Roll With It' sounded like a Who song. I know, I said. I said I know I do. Things were getting hazy. It was very hot. Marc Atkins passed with a camera over his shoulder. We asked the owner of Sell-a-Spinner to play 'Roll With It' at high volume, and agreed that there was a submerged influence coming through from 'Like A Daydream' and 'Taste'. That was the end of the first part of the assignment. In Buxton I passed the fountain in the market square and entered Mr Chippy's. A sign on the wall declared 'It's a Fishy Business'. I stood near the counter, clicking numbers on a counter. The counter told me, when I held it up to the light of a can of ginger beer, that the same bunches of kids had been buying cod and chips, skate and chips, haddock and chips, sausage in batter and chips, and pastie and frites. In vinegar I scrawled on my hand the conclusion. Here too, the kids did indeed like buying the same things in different formats. In Banbury we hung around the second floor of a bookshop. Banbury Books is one of only three shops in Banbury to consist of more than one storey. Odd customers browsed the Literary Theory section. One of them, a young man with a flange and a fringe pedal, bought three books. It was now or never. We followed him down the stairs and into the brilliant light of the street. - I say, I said, could you show me those books you just bought? At a caf� table we sipped diet pink lemonade at 65p a glass, and studied the books and their contents. They were all by Roland Barthes. One was called 'Infinity of Hesitations', a rarity shipped over from Canada. Another was 'New Critical Essays', the usual thing, if overpriced for a slim volume. The third was a limited-edition Barthes Reader, produced in Doncaster by a Mr K Langley. Why the sudden rush of Barthes? Our young customer confessed: he was such an admirer of the essay on La Rouchefoucauld. Shyly, he drew our attention to one sentence in particular. - I have never, he whispered, found another sentence of such length. It's a one-time thing, I know. We read. We might be tempted to make this degrading relation (since it demotes appearance for the sake of an always less glorious reality) into the logical expression of what has been called La Rouchefoucauld's pessimism; doubtless the restriction, especially if it starts from the virtues to end with the accidents and passions, is not euphoric: in appearance it is an avaricious, constrained movement, it corrodes the generosity of the world, and its diversity as well; but this pessimism is ambiguous; it is also the fruit of a thirst, if not for explication, at least for explicitation; it participates in a certain disillusion, no doubt, consonant with the author's aristocratic situation; but also, surely, in a positive impulse of rationalization, of the integration of disparate elements: La Rouchefoucauld's vision is not dialectical, and for that reason it is a despairing one; but it is rationalistic, and for that reason, like every philosophy of clarity, it is progressive; copying La Rouchefoucauld himself, we might say in the restrictive form so dear to him: La Rouchefoucauld's pessimism is only an incomplete rationalism. Back in London we compiled our results so far. There was no getting away from it: it looked as though the kids actually liked buying the same things in different formats at inflated prices. I took my Courage in one hand and called Tim Hopkins to tell him. Ring. Ring. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lucy.alder at xxx.uk Thu May 4 09:32:55 2000 From: lucy.alder at xxx.uk (Alder, Lucy) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:32:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Pure, unadulterated content Message-ID: <1EC8C16BC185D311ACB90008C7C563F335338E@gblon1c3ex1.wcom.co.uk> Hello kidz This is your special correspondent for pop, here to report back on the crayzee shenanigans that took place at the B&S Q&A last night. After following a trail of people up to the 6th floor of the building and finding a room set up in the conference style, we sat down and moaned about the bar, which consisted of Robinson's Barley Water and Highland Spring and wondered who was ill, because there were only six chairs up the front. Then somebody came and told us all that we were in the wrong room, a lucky thing because the right room had FREE BOUZE! and BIG SOFAS! and and GLITTERY ARTWORKS ON THE WALLS! and FREE BOUZE! Then the band came on and these are some of the things I remember: - Isobel was looking fine and foxy in a ponytail and biker jacket thing with patches on it - Stuart was looking fine and foxy in a schoolboy shirt and tie combo and a big old earring (not dangly, but round) - I can't remember what on earth the others were wearing, but they all looked fine and foxy nonetheless - The general consensus in the band seems to be that The Model is the best song on the album, although Don't Leave The Light... and Too Much Love were also mentioned as good'uns - Stuart thinks that "Steps are freaks" (expect to see this quote in every article about them for the next year) - When asked why he thought B&S fans were scary obsessives, Stuart gestured in the direction of a group of your own Sinister friends and asked "do these people look like scary obsessives?" At this point, his argument was sort of ruined by a person of this parish, who will remain nameless, who got a tiny bit carried away and shouted out "BUT YOU'RE THE BEST BAND IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD EVER!" or something. Stuart went red. Bless. - The video for Legal Man was shown for the first time, but I was behind a pillar and a way off from the screen, so I'll leave it's description to somebody else who might actually have seen it. The rest is a bit of a blur at the moment, largely due to the FREE BOUZE! but it was a bit of a strange atmosphere - sort of forced, but sort of nice at the same time, if you know what I mean. Anyway, I'll stop yabbering on here and let other people fill in my numerous gaps and talk about the questions they themselves asked (I merely sat back and listened to other people asking stuff, other people largely being Ben Clancy of the Melody Maker, who hogged the limelight somewhat). Oh yeah, I've got the whole thing on minidisc too, so I'll try to make the contents available sometime soon, although in what format I'm not sure because, frankly, it's a terrible recording. Feeling rough as a cat's tongue this morning... Juicy Lucy -- This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and then destroy any copies of it. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Fri May 5 18:29:13 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:29:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I can't stop thinking about Stuart pissing all over walls Message-ID: <802568D6.0060D2AA.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> OK, I've stopped. My new game involves cutting and pasting posts into Word and using the word count facility to see how long they are. Today, Gay Dirty Den wins a clear mandate with 1480 words, saving the need for complex transferral of second preferences. Pinefox comes a respectable second with 1217. However, pinefox's count is being examined closely by the returning officer after allegations that 178 words were ineligible, being supplied by a French structuralist prankster. They were both very good, though, don't you think? But 1480 words! I used to take weeks to write essays that long at university. I'm not quite sure what ian's thesis is, but it reads very nicely. I do have to take issue with his assertion that anyone who tries to change the world for the better ends up doing more harm than good, though. Like my mum used to unilaterally clear up rubbish around where we used to live in Peckham. Mind you, I suppose some hardline lefty could say that she was absolving the council from its responsibilities and making the situation worse in the long term. But what about Martin Luther King or William Wilberforce or Nelson Mandela, or... someone else not involved in black emancipation? Robin remarked that.. > Nick continues his crusade against tweeness. True, >twee's not a flattering word, and I'm not all that keen on >giving myself a label, but I'm quite fond of the, um, ambient >of the band and I don't think it should be denyed. Maybe >there's another word to describe it. I don't know. 'Parochial' is the only thing that comes to mind. Not terribly flattering either, though. 'Wistful'? Bollocks to it. Sometimes I think language would be enriched if adjectives were banned. I have discovered blogs (crap name, derived from 'web logs'). They're like www.ntk.net but less geeky. Start with www.riothero.com or www.netcomuk.co.uk/~tewing/blueline.html Ooh, Lucy's posted her exp-er-iences: Was Isobel's biker jacket made out of little foxes? I might have known Beanz would be the one behind the fiendish 12" extension scandal. DJ snob. I thought that 12"s were designed for the the visually impaired, like large-print books. >- The general consensus in the band seems to be that >The Model is the best song on the album, although Don't >Leave The Light... and Too Much Love were also mentioned >as good'uns Hang on. Miller's right - the album doesn't come out for another month. How can they have heard it? Can someone explain? > At this point, his argument was sort of ruined by a person > of this parish, who will remain nameless, who got a tiny > bit carried away and shouted out "BUT YOU'RE THE BEST BAND > IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD EVER!" or something. MCARTHUR!! COME HERE! Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elenita99 at xxx.com Fri May 5 19:50:39 2000 From: elenita99 at xxx.com (elenita99) Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 19:50:39 CEST Subject: Sinister: Welcome to my world Message-ID: <20000505175039.61160.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello fluffy friends, It's been a while since my last post, I have been reading all yours with interest but I guess I was a bit busy to write on sooo many interesting things going on those weeks. I have been arguing with one of my very good friends all week (so I was busy indeed), and it left me very tired and confused and upset, I guess. I say "all week" cos he's in Spain and it's been a sort of virtual argument, you see? email and phone...yerk, really awful. But I will sort it out this week-end, I hope. I hate feeling so upset about it. Anyway, it's sunny today, finally spring is reaching London (I've been waiting for it so much!!!) and makes me feel lighter... I haven't got a clue of what i'm gonna do this week-end (apart from sleeping to recover that long office-week), probably walk around, get a few CDs and get out once, as usual. Isn't it a sort of routine, well I think so...Maybe go to the cinema, yeah... OK stop whining, I'm not such in a good mood today and I don't have to be a pain just because I feel melancholic, have I? Oh, I've been trying to conect to the chat and it didn't work...mmmm...is it me or the server? cos I think I've done everything ok but then...Not my day... Have a very nice week-end, love to you all Elena ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From splag at xxx.net Fri May 5 20:08:34 2000 From: splag at xxx.net (Scott Plagenhoef) Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 13:08:34 -0600 Subject: Sinister: I know they've got another face / it's not a fault of mine these days Message-ID: <200005051808.TAA04569@missprint.org> oh, hello: Nick beat me to the punch regarding Chris' defense of the 12´´ extended mix of "Judy is a Dick Slap." Ibiza is seemingly that next easy step in a lightning dance career for B&S (thanks, orson.). Well, if that Barry White-sampled track is set to be the Next Big Thing on the club floor, I guess that swings the door wide for other throwbacks to follow -- including B&S (provided Stevie can fit the sitar through the door jam). Apparently, then the extended dick slap (that never gets old, does it?) wouldn't have excluded them from the charts, and I have to echo Tim's grumblings regarding the price gouging. Let the DJ's get the white label. Pah. Nick wrote: Hang on. Miller's right - the album doesn't come out for another month. How can they have heard it? Can someone explain? An interesting note: Interviewing Stuart David a week or so ago for one of the world's many fledgling 'zines, and it seems he has, incredibly, yet to hear a finished copy himself. Hmm, I have to be a bit confused about the tweehuggers faction of our little world so proudly clinging to *that* word. There is (thankfully) not a single word that sums up our band‹or ourselves. For one, I'm hopeful that "twee" doesn't come the closest. Despite Ian's well-written defense of such, B&S aren't the sole property of childhood nostalgia or idealized visions of the world. There is brutality. There is subversiveness. There is smut. Yes, there is a lot of whimsy and grace besides, but it's the blend that makes the magic. Many of the characters in Struan's songs are out in the real world with real problems, few solutions, and too many consequences. It's one of the things that seperates them from other wonderful, but frankly narrower bands' worldviews such as the heart-on-the-sleeve sentiments of the Field Mice or the bedsit lovelorn of Nick Drake. It's a world full la-la-la's , but one in which that whimsical expression of nonchalance can be tossed off after either "get some fish and chips" or "if we killed him now, well who's going to miss him?" (cheers, Sarah.) scott. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk Fri May 5 19:38:15 2000 From: amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk (amy_jackson0) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:38:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: ba,ba,ba,ba,baw,baw,baw,baw,bawbag References: <20000503134301.5909.qmail@web1401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009701bfb6c1$1463ee60$f3d6b0c2@tinypc> l'il babychris said >>I've also cried at dumb films. I found the end of cool running really happy/sad, if you get it. oh chris, cool runnings not only made me laugh, but bawl my eyes out too! it is soo cool! but i watched the blair witch project later that day, which was a let down.... > top CHOONS!!! > > 1) entire delgados album, the GRATE eastern I AGREE, T'IS FAB > 2) your no rock and roll fun, by sleater kinney WOO HOO, a s-k fan!! > 3) the new bis material - it's got a real 80's jd > sound to it.... AND YOU LIKE BIS, THIS IS TOO GOOD! > 4) beagle man, I s'pose IT'S GRRRRRRRRRREAT!! AS TONY THE TIGER WOULD SAY > 5) shoot speed kill light AGAIN, I AGREE sory to hear you're leaving chris, will you still be able to stay on the sini-list?? oh yeah, loooooooooove ali g!! big up the sinister massive!! adios, littlebelleXXX ps it is now two and a bit weeks til my higher exams, and how much revision have i done??? none. this is not good, help me someone!!!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From julesmarkham at xxx.net Fri May 5 20:21:33 2000 From: julesmarkham at xxx.net (julesmarkham) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 20:21:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: just gimme indi rawk! Message-ID: <001201bfb6c7$348bfd80$901eac3e@tonygeorge> hi fluffy ones just got back from a trek to London, where i saw Lou barlow on stage for 2 hours singing lots of sebadoh/FI songs and picking up waifs and strays along the way (there was a lad called... Andrew who had a lovely fluffy jumper, so i had to adopt him! and a girl called Sarah who was too short to see Lou over the crowd so, you see, I had to pick her up and carry her around, then Andrew got jealous, so I had to carry him around for a while too, and there was that guy in the queue who sang harmonies really well... ) then I slept on another adoptees floor, and took someone round Camden market. i think i had a few fox days there, I got the coolest job too! I start Monday, selling ice cream from a barrow attached to a tricycle! So if any sinisterines find themselves in Stratford on Avon between now and November, look out for a red haired lass with an ice cream stall flying a kite (gotta have a sales pitch!) jules x (streets are uneven when you're down) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From feathermeat at xxx.com Sat May 6 00:18:19 2000 From: feathermeat at xxx.com (Melissa Williams) Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 19:18:19 EDT Subject: Sinister: I'm just a gelatin pipe and I twist within an inch Message-ID: <20000505231819.87931.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear Stranger: Hi. I'm new. I don't know whether I should tell about myself or not, but I'm going to, cause damned if I can think of a single interesting thing to say about Belle and Sebastian. So. I'm 19 and I would be in my junior year of college, but I'm living with my family instead right now. This is not by choice. They're all okay, but I live in the armpit of the United States (Henderson, North Carolina. Anybody on this list live close by?). I work at the library in town. The rest of the time, I read like a maniac. Right now I'm reading a book about the history of psychiatry and _Ulysses_, for the 7th time. I am not kidding when I say that I'd die for that book. This isn't because I am some sort of prodigy who understands it or anything crazy like that. I just think it's the funniest and most beautiful and most perfect book there is. If you let yourself be confused, it stops being intimidating and starts being a blast. Okay. When I'm not reading, I'm often writing (just poetry; good prose is beyond me). I like to sculpt and paint and play the flute and all that artsy stuff. I'm a big dilettante, but only because I don't have any talent for anything in particular. I like the Beatles and Bob Dylan and Mozart and Bruce Springsteen and Dvorak and pretty much any music from the latter part of the sixties. I'm learning auto mechanics, so sometimes I work on my car when it's warm. When I was in school, I majored in English and German, but I want to go to med school. My big dream is to be a pediatric psychiatrist, but I'm not convinced that it'll happen. If I can't do that, I'll probably be a writer (just not the kind I would like to be). I smoke a lot. I have depression and OCD, and people scare the shit out of me, but I'm lucky in that I have a really fabulous psychiatrist. I'm still pretty lonely and unbalanced and all that, but my chemical problems are starting to clear up some. Okay, that's enough. I'm sorry for being lame and talking about myself for forty-seven years, but I think maybe this way someone who likes the same stuff as me will email me. I had this crazy dream last night for the second time in a few weeks. In the dream, my nipples had turned into full-sized antlers. Yes, antlers. (Dream nipples don't count as a body part mention, do they? Well, I'll take my chances.) They were all blackened and they were molting (that's what it's called, right? Where that velvety stuff falls off?). They were huge and they kept getting all tangled up in each other. I couldn't wear a shirt, so I was walking around bumping into walls with these huge antler-nipples. The worst thing was, they weren't made out of bone, or whatever it is that real antlers are made of. They were just regular nipple material. So all the bumping into things _really_ hurt. I know that it all means something very important, but what? The Shadow knows... All right, that's all. Time for a cigarette. Take care... Melissa W. ******************************************** * "Are you the ring in the peacock's tail, * * the round stone temple on an arid * * mountain, the black belly of a fish * * in moon rings? Are you a footprint * * glazed on the urn of the sand, * * the litter-shield of a warrior's body, * * a bride in a white hut, * * the drum or its message of love?" * * * * -Jay Wright, "Inscrutability" * ******************************************** ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.edu Sat May 6 07:58:06 2000 From: ynoh at xxx.edu (Youn J. Noh) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 02:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: what is proper Message-ID: Dearest Sinister, Nick wrote: My own feeling is that the key members of the band were never satisfied with the way the early records (so beloved of the duke) sounded. See I think they always wanted to transcend the folksy arrangements and lyrical concerns of the first two albums. Weren't they really unhappy with the way songs like 'Get me away from here, I'm dying' got recorded? They wanted a bigger, Stax-y sound didn't they? And look at how they go out of the way to choose diverse, never-indie records when they're invited onto radio shows. Wasn't it some time ago that Stuart was quoted as saying that in the past he'd write the words first (or little acoustic strums), whereas lately he'd been trying to writing 'proper songs'? I think the songs on "Tigermilk", "If You're Feeling Sinister", and the eps are proper songs. As far as I can tell, the music is not amateurish. It is true that some songs are spare, but more is not always better. "If You're Feeling Sinister" is probably the record considered to have 'folksy' arrangements. I always thought that was when Belle and Sebastian found their sound. It's the record that sounds the purest. How have the lyrical concerns changed across the span of their work? They seem to have stayed pretty much the same, but dwelling on the same themes made the lyrics less inspired and anemic or deliberately obscure. Joan Didion wrote: I think we are well advised to keep on nodding terms with the people we used to be, whether we find them attractive company or not. Otherwise they turn up unannounced and surprise us, come hammering on the mind's door at 4 a.m. of a bad night and demand to know who deserted them, who betrayed them, who is going to make amends. I am sorry that Stuart said that he no longer felt the need to write stories on CD sleeves. I can't find the quote or report, but it was in a recent email about the press conference. I don't want to misquote him, but I think he implied that he looks back upon these stories as self-absorbed. I think the stories are funny and are written in a way so that everyone could relate to them - or at least those who like their music. Glen reported: At the press conference thingy, Stu said about the Stone Roses, "They got fame and started doing interviews and they started to get a bit self-conscious and to me that's rubbish. What they had at the start was magic and powerful." Does Stuart think that being self-conscious is under one's voluntary control? Can't find it now, but one of the things I liked best from Stuart David's book after "Ink Polaroids" was the account of a meal in NY restaurant: Stuart M ordered eggs, the waiter asked how he wanted them, he said however, the waiter said however (as a question or confirmation), and Stuart was charming enough to get embarrassed about it. In an interview from a web site in the Tigermilk web ring, Stuart said: I love English fans. I love the boys who write letters but when you see them in the flesh they are gentle and stand offish. There are a lot of very cool American fans, we don't get to meet them much because they are cool. We get the frantic puppies who want to eat you! The crazies! How did Stuart feel when he went to meet Lawrence? The regrettable thing about turning against your former self is that you turn against people who remind you of how you were. Ian wrote: and here on the sinister list we ape our heroes ,of course, as mindless saddos do. we talk about hello kitty and nice little bunny rabbits and generally exchange whimsy with one another. and this is what we know, and this is what we like. It can't be helped that people present themselves in this way, but I don't think that is how people on this list really are. Sometimes when people stick around, I think you get a better sense of them. Regarding what PF wrote - so now the intended audience is between the age of 7 and 17? When I was in London last summer, I foolishly attended this Belle & Sebastian night at some club. Their songs sound awful played as dance music. Prosaically yours, Youn +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Sat May 6 12:14:02 2000 From: ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 12:14:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: All you need is love In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <39140C8A.10068.3BAE48@localhost> I met a man in the Co-Op the other day who was wearing a floppy hat with slogans written on it in biro. On the one side, starboard I think, there was written "All you need is love" in blue biro. On the other was "Hey Jude", in red biro. He really looked quite debonair and I think he thought he was doing his bit for world peace. Perhaps he's right. Maybe if we all wore hats and wrote on them in biro the world would be a better place. Come on kids! Then, hey, let's plant some trees! Youn wrote: > Regarding what PF wrote - so now the intended audience is between the age > of 7 and 17? When I was in London last summer, I foolishly attended this > Belle & Sebastian night at some club. Their songs sound awful played as > dance music. I remember dancing to Slow Graffiti at Tigermilking and having a top time. Then again, I can have fun dancing in my room to the sound of my tambourine. I was thinking, once the new single and album come out, with Legal Man and all that, I should be able to fill at least a side of a tape with "Top Belle And Sebastian Dance Tunes". Oh, the thought of it! Photo Jenny and TBWTAS and all the rest. That's dance with a capital D! On the way home I saw a man who only had one arm. As I got closer, I realised he actually had two arms, but had one firmly behind his back. I couldn't work out why, but waited until he'd gone past then turned to look. He had his hand in the back of his pants and apparently UP HIS BUM! Needless to say, I was a little disturbed by this. Robin x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.edu Sat May 6 16:23:01 2000 From: ynoh at xxx.edu (Youn J. Noh) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: All you need is love In-Reply-To: <39140C8A.10068.3BAE48@localhost> Message-ID: Dearest Sinister, I wrote: > > Their songs sound awful played as dance music. Robin wrote: > I remember dancing to Slow Graffiti at Tigermilking and having a > top time. Then again, I can have fun dancing in my room to the sound > of my tambourine. I was thinking, once the new single and album come > out, with Legal Man and all that, I should be able to fill at least a > side of a tape with "Top Belle And Sebastian Dance Tunes". Oh, the > thought of it! Photo Jenny and TBWTAS and all the rest. That's dance > with a capital D! What I meant is how they speed up records and turn up the volume of the bass at dance clubs. Hopefully, the DJs at Tigermilking events have never been guilty of that. I didn't mean that the songs could not be danced to. Respectfully yours, Youn +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kpc98c at xxx.UK Sat May 6 17:12:16 2000 From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu) Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 17:12:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I blow Buffy Summer's Nose Message-ID: <200005061612.RAA09465@missprint.org> Hi, Sorry if this is old news.... I just went to Jeepster's website and the artwork for LEGALMAN is out... I'm happy because it's quite funky, I'm unhappy because it looks all different from the old CDs (you know how they're all monotoned in some colour... well this one still is but it's not quite if you see what I mean) But that's just nit picking, the fact that they look like Charlie's Angels is pretty cool. Thanks to all of you who kindly consoled me after my traumatising experience in the last post.. and sorry again for publicly looking for sympathy like that. I promise not to do that again (unless something real bad happens) I still haven't got the This is just a modern rock song CD, the mokes at 101cd sent them to my term time address during my Easter break, and my Uni hall says that they've never received it, and e-mails to 101cd got no reply.. ah well, at least I've managed to listen to it now before I buy legal man so I'm happy. Being slow as usual I'm going to comment about B&S selling out.. I don't know what is meant by selling out but as long as they produce the same stuff that touches my heart and make me both laugh and cry like they used to then I don't care. Enough moaning now the sun is bright outside I'm going to forget about my woes and take my dog on wheels down to the road. Or I might just do some juggling instead.. Flowers and Redbulls, and remember, stay legal.. Ken ====================================================================== They got the drugs I could use but then I don't want any All that I want is a photograph of Photo Jenny How will I get one I don't know, How will I get her to strike a pose? - Belle & Sebastian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk Sat May 6 20:12:19 2000 From: amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk (amy_jackson0) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 20:12:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: another picnic Message-ID: <000501bfb78f$016277e0$4d0a3c3e@tinypc> hello! this is only gonna be short and probably not very interesting, but if anyone is going to t in the park on the sunday, we should all have a sinister picnic, even though b&s won't be there (but i wish they would go..) so what do you think? hi to jarvis btw, you're soooooooo lucky!!!! ;) adios, littlebelle (making noise since 1983) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk Sat May 6 20:40:54 2000 From: amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk (amy_jackson0) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 20:40:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: list crushes are fab Message-ID: <003701bfb792$ffbabe80$4d0a3c3e@tinypc> i got matched with jarvis lalalalala!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ol01 at xxx.uk Sat May 6 22:23:14 2000 From: ol01 at xxx.uk (The Narrow Wizard) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:23:14 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: is it wicked not to breakdance? Message-ID: hey folks just got back from the glasgow picnic (most of which took place in the pub) and we thought we'd say hi (sweetie came round for some hot chocolate) so ermm ...hi. 'lo how art we all this fine eve?? i is simply super!! :) and what a super day i had 2 :) yes a super day but the sun was out and now I've got a really red nose...I look even sillier than usual (those who know me will know that that's very silly) ach he doesnae look *that* silly ;P ooh aye didnae know what to say but then *ah!* inspiration!!! (well- owen) i may pop down down to london possibly maybe :) to celebrate well...the start of my highers...oh woe :( still...STUDY LEAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) 'fraid I won't be at the picnic on the 20th though as I have a bloody exam that day (yes a saturday....bastards) still it's my last ever exam so at least there's something to be pleased about well that is all fae us for now neway!!! bysie bye xox bye ooh original... With that the narrow wizard waggled his bushy eyebrows and disappeared in a flash of blue flame leaving behind only a faint smell of cinnamon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samwaltonyeah at xxx.com Sat May 6 23:43:28 2000 From: samwaltonyeah at xxx.com (Sam Walton) Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 22:43:28 GMT Subject: Sinister: Mispellings Message-ID: <20000506224328.83717.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear all, Hi. Just a shortie today. I was looking at my Dog On Wheels box the other day, and noticed that Mick Cooke's name was spelt wrong. Is was spelt without the 'e'. Is this the same on all the EPs, or do I have something a bit special there? Sorry if this is common B&S knowledge, it's just I'd quite like to know. Anway, that's it. love and Hersey bars (my sister brought them back from America - mmmmmm)... Sam.x ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jaffa_cakes at xxx.com Sun May 7 01:37:56 2000 From: jaffa_cakes at xxx.com (Pamela Tait) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 17:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Kebabs and Catchphrase Message-ID: <19878544.957659876889.JavaMail.imail@slippery> Hello. Attempting to be general, here, as it's my first post and all. Two topics I wish to discuss: Catchphrase and kebabs. Catchphrase - Let's face it, it's gone downhill. Not only have they axed Roy Walker (that silver haired sex God) but nowadays, they have this complete knobhead with a broken leg presenting it and giving away kites as so called prizes. And as for Mr Chips, well, he's not really a pixel star any more, just the highlight of another dreary night in front of the box. This prick with the stookie on gives away the most pathetic catch 'phrases' and really just talk a load of cat-shit. Next up on the agenda is kebabs. I had a conversation with my good friend Cookie Brooks and we spoke of kebab meat. My mate Angie used to reckon the meat on the roasting spit was an elephants leg. But me and the Cookster agreed that the meat is not what is swept up off the abbatoir floor, but what is *left* after they've swept up various internal organs. And have you ever eaten a pie and found a small white tube (about 1cm in length and a few mm in diameter) in the filling? It's a cows/ sheep/ goats ear canal. I speak the truth. I am also launching a campaign against Is**el Ca***ell from a well known group. Leaflets will be distributed around the glasgow area with the Anti Pigeon McNuggets message and on the reverse, a luvverly picture of a donner kebab with Isobels face in the salad bit and the word EVIL in big nasty black lettering a the top. Anyway, I'm off now to maybe do something constructive rather than send shit mails (GAWD, my first one and all!) to the sinister peeps. Remember my name, for it is Toffeecrisp (aged 18 and on a bender) Pamela xxx ...................................................... I AM OBSESSED WITH BOTTLE GREEN MINI COOPERS. FEAR ME.. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From angel_blackwell at xxx.com Sun May 7 07:42:03 2000 From: angel_blackwell at xxx.com (the angel blackwell) Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 02:42:03 EDT Subject: Sinister: well, isobel has arrived Message-ID: <20000507064204.19754.qmail@hotmail.com> k...i've fallen in love about 2wice this weekend... i have fell in love with lil' mr drake...then i fell in love with a certain listee who burnt all his cd's and sent them to me just because i was a fan... i am very appreciative... well...isobel has arrived as i performed "is it wicked not to care" in drag...very few people enjoyed this but then i did some dubstar and then i was a freak drag queen...i did it all with a great blonde wig and a black tie...no kerchief this time...but i do pad my ass... well...i'm now sittin in my bus t shirt...sans make up... love to you all... comment t'allez vous... the angel blackwell...it's now a stage name... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nessa_fmjod at xxx.com Sun May 7 10:52:43 2000 From: nessa_fmjod at xxx.com (nessa) Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 02:52:43 -0700 Subject: dublin/Re: Sinister: Kebabs and Catchphrase Message-ID: hello I think this is the sort of thing that gets on honey's because although it has a lot to do w/ b+s it doesn't *really* at the same time... there are a lot of people from Dublin/Ireland on the list and if there is going to be meet ups and picnics everywhere for the new album release we should have one here too. Only mostly when you try to organise this kind of stuff on the jeepster board people don't really read it so the mailing list is better. Anyway. I'm proposing: a park, a picnic, on the 5th or the 4th because as far as I can remember thats a bank holiday weekend. Park: preferably one in town like stephen's green or iveagh park, behind harcourt st. anymore suggestions? or does someone else want to organise this because I'm slightly useless at this kind of stuff. >I am also launching a campaign against Is**el Ca***ell from a well known >group. Leaflets will be distributed around the glasgow area with the Anti >Pigeon McNuggets message and on the reverse, a luvverly picture of a donner >kebab with Isobels face in the salad bit and the word EVIL in big nasty >black lettering a the top. Pamela, you are a gruesome and disturbed girl. but you are also very funny. nessa xxxx --- ******************************************************************** ****************** get your free gURLmAIL at http://www.gURLmAIL.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From david at xxx.uk Sun May 7 14:10:39 2000 From: david at xxx.uk (David White) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 14:10:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Rant... Message-ID: Greetings, **MTV** I've read a lot about how B&S should be on MTV. For anybody who has not seen MTV2, (I think it's only on Digital but I may be wrong), then you should be aware that this channel is made for the likes of B&S. It's actually quite good, a sort of antidote to the bland playlist on MTV and plays alternative indie type music all day and all night. You can even email them your own playlist for an hour. I reckon if we all email them with a demand to show the new B&S video, we might just get away with it. Their address is www.mtv2.co.uk **TWEE** Regarding Nick's definition of twee, I have to say I agree with him. I do not consider myself in the slightest bit "twee", but still enjoy the music the band produce, which I would not classify as twee music either. I wouldn't mind betting a fair number of the people on this list would baulk at the idea of being twee. People who continue to live out this image of all B&S fans being twee do no favours for the rest of us or for the image of the band. I've seen interviews where both Richard and Mick both claim that the band are not in the slightest bit like how they are portrayed by the media. (See www.belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk on the QUOTES page.) On a lighter note... I still haven't heard the new single yet. I reckon the first time I'll hear it will be when I buy it. I suspect I might have heard a bit of it yesterday but can't be sure. The thing is I was listening to the football phone in on Radio 5 and they played a kind of jingle thing with background music that could only be described as sounding like the theme from Eurotrash (but it wasn't the theme from Eurotrash though). Was this Legal Man??? I remember Radio 5 used a Teenage Fanclub song for a jingle during the last World Cup, so perhaps it' s not too unreasonable to think that they might use Belle and Sebastian too. Anyway if anybody can shed some light on this I'd be grateful, <--Dave--> PS visit www.belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk cos the bulletin board discussion page thingy is officially "lonely" david at belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From craigrm at xxx.uk Sun May 7 15:33:22 2000 From: craigrm at xxx.uk (Craig) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 15:33:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I let my heavy eyelids flutter Message-ID: <002101bfb831$71a350e0$c4e793c3@orlando1> It's been quite a while since I last pulled on my faded & ill fitting swimming costume and took a devil-may-care leap into the warm pool that is the Sinister list. And it feels good to be back. My apologies to the wee girl in the flouro water-wings, I just didn't spot you there - I hope the arm gets better real soon. Actually has anyone noticed the apparent demise of the plaster cast ?. Possibly modern medicine has now rendered them obsolete with some flash new advances in bone fixing gimmickry ?, but I'm sure in my teen years I was forever bent over a freshly plastered limb, felt tip in hand ready to pen something that passed as witty on a newly set compound fracture. Or maybe I just hung out with clumsy kids who didn't get enough calcium. B&S I think that all the talk about selling out isn't doing anyone much good. Personally as long as I feel the same thrill and weirdly happy feeling I currently get listening to their songs I don't really care how big and commercial they come, in fact I quite look forward to the day when you can't turn on the radio or telly without Stuart and pals popping up. How does a modern day version of Scooby Doo* with B&S travelling around in a snappily painted van solving mysteries sound ?. e.g. Stuart : "... and that's how they switched Ponies without the circus boy's knowledge Mr Police Officer" Creepy Fairground janitor: "Damn !. I would've got away with it too if it wasn't for those pesky kids with their haunting melodies and clever lyrics" Mucho thanks to Lucy and everyone else for their reports of Thursday nights meeting the press shindig, it all sounded rather grand. It was interesting to hear that the Band think Stuart's songs "The Model", "Don't Leave the Light On Baby" and "Too Much Love" are the highlights of the new album, I think we're all in for a treat when it comes out. Don't get me wrong as I like a change now and then but when it comes to the crunch I'd prefer a B&S album to be rather Murdoch heavy in the song writing department. I'm old fashioned like that. "BUT YOU'RE THE BEST BAND IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD EVER!". I love it when that kinda thing happens. Through a series of circumstances that even to this day I'm not sure of I once ended up going along to see the Spice Girls (tm) film a TV performance at the height of their popularity and was embarrassed and unnerved when the girl I was sitting next too suddenly stood up and started screaming "WE LOVE YOU EMMA" at the top of her voice. Ummm... I guess that's it for now, I probably haven't made a massive contribution to any on-going discussions but I just wanted to post again before I forgot how to. byebye, Craig x *sans Scrappy Doo obviously. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From JENOWL22 at xxx.com Sun May 7 19:25:16 2000 From: JENOWL22 at xxx.com (JENOWL22 at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 14:25:16 EDT Subject: Sinister: Jen goes to the sinister picnic (subtitled: Jen goes to the pub) Message-ID: Hewwo, Yesterday I went to the sinister picnic, and met lots of people. Then I ended up going to the pub with them and drinking too much and getting served. And then people told me kind things like not to mix your drink, and how to hide the fact that you've been drinking from your parents, even if it did come too late. And Jason never did get round to explaining what eating from the bushy bowl meant. I also have to thank Calum and Lisa properly because they were nice and helped me get home properly. But I can't wait for the next sinister picnic! Today I took my friend to church, which was a mistake because she has a five second attention span. So she pretended to fall asleep and snore really really loudly, and sang rude words to the hymns. So I don't think I'll go with her again. I was playing IYFS in my back garden today, a bit quietly, but then the next door neighbours saw that I was happy, to they put on S Club Seven at full blast. You could hear it all down the road. So I went for a cycle, which was grate fun. I heard FISHYCLAP as well, because Calum loaned me it, and it is grate and they haven't sold out at all, so we can't all go and live with aliens, but I'm not going to talk all about it in case The Duke eats me and I'm really scared of him. Maybe we could go and live with aliens anyway. My brother is an alien. His blood is green, well, it's not really but it should be. He looks like an alien-rat thingy and he picks his nose and eats it in front of everyone and thinks Steps are grate. Maybe Pete Waterypants has stole his mind and replaced it with H from step's mind. Maybe H from step's body is going about with my little brother's brain in it, yeah! I think H stands for Hiccups because I've never heard H speak but I've heard him hiccup. I need to go and do maths homework and stop my brother from blowing up the world (he would and all, he think bombs are grate). Hugs, Jen Ps, I was all set to use a really grate word that meant hangover, but I forgot it. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From feathermeat at xxx.com Sun May 7 20:41:09 2000 From: feathermeat at xxx.com (Melissa Williams) Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 15:41:09 EDT Subject: Sinister: Jen goes to the sinister picnic (subtitled: Jen goes to the pub) Message-ID: <20000507194109.98399.qmail@hotmail.com> > >Ps, I was all set to use a really grate word that meant hangover, but I >forgot it. > "Katzenjammer" is a really great word that means "hangover" in German. Literally it means "the wailing of cats." Melissa 'There was something they meant to say, but didn't: "And if we put the statue of the rhinocerous next to the tweezers, and walk around the room three times, learn to yodel, shave our heads, call our ancestors back from the dead--" poetrywise it's still a bust, bankrupt. You haven't scribbled a syllable of it.' --James Tate, 'Dream On' ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From smiley at xxx.uk Sun May 7 20:55:17 2000 From: smiley at xxx.uk (Mr Smiley) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 20:55:17 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Here is the news Message-ID: <002101bfb85f$2bf2ce80$bb08883e@n8j4k7> Hello darling, I feel I should address some of the burning issues of today. here are the things I want to talk about: ------------Selling out-------------------------- Actually, no. I don't want to talk about it. It's just a completely absurd thing to talk about. It'd make more sense if I wrote a theory on what flavour condoms the Pope uses. But I'm not going to do that either. Sorry. ------------Twee--------------------------------- If you mean twee to be happy, skipping in the fields with rabbits naivety, then it's probably a bad thing. But what if twee is redefined in the context of Belle & Sebastian? As certain people have pointed out, B&S lyrics are far from naive. I consider myself to be a bit twee, but not in a happy, skipping in the fields with rabbits kind of way. I'm cynical as hell, and a miserable bastard. But I'm also some of the things you'd associate with twee. Like, I don't know, being afraid of girls I guess. It's all a matter of definition. I don't really believe in hiding from the world, just changing my perception of it to make things easier (I'm not talking about drugs here, by the way). So is that a bad thing? If so, I'll have to live with it. People *do* get doused in fuel and lit for being black, yes. And anybody that pretends this isn't the case is probably living by the negative definition of twee. But people also hug each other too. I'm not *that* cynical. maybe that's it, tweeness. Actually still believeing in human goodness. Probably not. ------------Primal Scream: Tossers?-------- I'd like to jump to the defence of Primal Scream. I mean I agree with Stuart to some extent about music being about art rather than politics, and I suppose if I had any musical talent and/or enough friends to form a band I wouldn't write political songs. But on the other hand, Exterminator isn't that political is it? Swastika Eyes and the title track are, and accelerator might be I don't know on account of not being able to hear the words. But the other stuff isn't really. I don't see how Kill All Hippies can be seen as political, seeing as the title just comes from that sample at the start. Anyway, bands having a cause like that can be a good thing. If it wasn't for Asian Dub Foundation I wouldn't know who Satpal Ram is, for instance. And if Radiohead can raise money for Amnesty International, then how is that a bad thing? Although, like Stuart says, a musician's political activities don't need to be plastered all over the NME, if they aren't, how will The Kids get their political education? Not from effing school that's for sure. ------------------------------------------------- Right, so that's all I've got to say. I'll crawl back into my basement now, byebye. Platonic hugs, Mike Email - smiley at rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk The Black Den - http://www.rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hoveringsoul at xxx.com Sun May 7 22:58:36 2000 From: hoveringsoul at xxx.com (Hoveringsoul) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 22:58:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Tweeeee ...It just rolls off the tongue... Message-ID: <20000507215908.43204.qmail@hotmail.com> I am doing my best to get in near(ish) the start of a discussion, so forgive me if these thoughts seem about as organised and thought out as the contents of that drawer that holds everything that doesn't go anywhere else - assuming everyone knows what I mean on that one. What, Hippy? The definition of twee has been thrown about a bit - like an old leatherless football that has been in a puddle - and I've been thinking, unfortunately. I think I like the idea of being twee. Thing is I don't think it's twee in the "excessively sentimental" sense that I like. (Not that I am saying Collins Dictionary is wrong...). I'm hardly sentimental at all, so being excessively so would be difficult for me. I don't like souvenirs in the typical sense, and I hate photographs from holidays etc. to look at again and again, much as I adore photography itself. So, I want to cross myself off that particular list for starters. While I have the lid off my big red felt tip squeaky non-washable permanent marker I will also cross myself off the list of people who go skipping in meadows with bunnyrabbits. I trust no explanation is required. I do not consider myself naive and oblivious to the nasty side of life either and I would not like to be. There are some things that people need to be made aware of, and there are far too many people who are aware but indifferent. If this were the definition of tweeness, twee people should be shot to remind them that this happens to people occasionally. I'm running short on lists so I will move on to what I consider to be a bit twee, in the way I like. The underlying thing about my understanding of tweeness is the twee person's perception of the world. Perhaps Mr. Mike Smiley was right - it involves changing the perception of the world to make things easier. It results in a harmless tendency to make everything seem poignant and poetic. Not in a cringing melodramatic way but more a fleeting insight into the beauty of life, no matter how brutal. Like the film, American Beauty, but without the plastic bag between two wind machines. This is proving difficult to explain, and I am venturing ever nearer Collins Dictionary again....but I don't like that idea! I'm going to leave my explanation of internal tweeness at that for the moment and say that for external tweeness, I'd have to point to Ian and his notion of all of us talking whimsy about kitty and bunny. I agree. People can be as twee as they like on a philosophical level but when it comes to getting called twee all you have to do is use frilly language, wear frilly things, and show a liking for all things cute, furry, shiny, sparkly, or old-fashioned such as the classic cardigan and slippers combo. I tend to avoid this not only to prevent getting beaten up but also because in any more than small doses it annoys the hell out of me. I think it's true that most of us are not like this, but it can be fun for a bit. Yeah, that'd be right: If twee means being dreamsome and poetic in a harmless and whimsical sense, talking daftly but not necessarily wearing a cardi and slippers, then I like the fact that I'm twee. I think. Thinking can be bad for you, so I'm going to quit. Hooray for tweeness. Hooray for summer holidays. Hooray for everything. Byebye Love and subh David +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From NOGOODNIK at xxx.net Sun May 7 23:31:04 2000 From: NOGOODNIK at xxx.net (christa) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 18:31:04 -0400 Subject: Sinister: boys aren't scary, but they sure are confusing Message-ID: <000c01bfb873$ef1bf580$d1031440@e44e9> ugh i'm drunk. its gorgeous outside today and i was out in the 'garden' writing a bit, and listening to IYFS. "get me away from here" came on and i immediately got incredibly excited for the new album. new songs by this band that have been my happiness, my sadness, my drunken wailing, my silly dancing. i don't want a single soul to ruin that day, that moment, for me. i want to come home from the record store, plastic-wrapped-clingy-hard-to-open thing in my sweaty grasp. i want to empty my stereo, put it in, and listen to it straight through while puttering about. smiling and teary-eyed. i don't care if you all know i'm going to cry. i know i'm going to cry when i hear it; when i feel it in my hand. and i know that out of all 1300 of you, someone feels the same way. it will be like the sunniest day. the anticipation of it is as sweet as the weeks of wearing the sound away in my head. it'll be perfect, i promise. madflowr and i are planning the Follow-Up to Last Year's Awesome Sinister Get-together *slash* B&S Record Release Picnic for the Washington DC area. its going to be on the Saturday after the release of the new CD... June 10. i want everyone in the DC/Baltimore/Virginia/Pennsylvania to come. its going to be a blast. last year we had a fantastic time with croquet and frisbee and yummy food and smiling, lovely faces. a truly beautiful group, if i do say so. we'll be updating sinister, sinisterdc, and the jeepster meetup page with more details as they evolve. keep eyes and ears open! why are males so confusing? they don't make a lick of sense. they say one thing and then do another. they don't do what they say they will. i have had 4 grown women tell me over the course of this weekend that men never change, that they remain childish forever and ever and that women just have to 'get used to it'. grow complacent, in other words. why is this? explain to me why this is so, or if it is a lie. i'm at a transition... i'm halfway between finding men absolutely gorgeous yet mystifying, and finding them too difficult to put up with altogether. i don't want to start a list-feud, girls vs. boys. i just want to know why it is this way. oh well, "seeing other people" is on; this should provide insight. ;) going around my elbow to get to my thumb, .christa. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keleidoscopic at xxx.com Mon May 8 01:09:29 2000 From: keleidoscopic at xxx.com (Chris Paluch) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Hello Misery, and how it is hard to define some things Message-ID: <20000508000929.15918.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Ok, This twee definition is amusing because this is the third time i heard this argument. Twee is about being dreamful and poetic, with an added touch of unrequited love and misery, and sorta cute. It means being hopelessly shy, and well sentimental, but not towards things, but towards memories, relationships, etc. Photographs and souvineers usually avoided, since true sentiments come from the heart. Songs though twee people are extremely sentimental about, thus vast record collections. Belle and sebastian are not a strictly twee, band, but they do have alot of twee songs. But most strictly twee bands do not write songs like a century of fakers. But twee tends to have its serious moments, and a search for meaning that is well, perfectly human. Twee is all about well being yourself. Sheesh, i cannot really defne it, maybe if you read the Little prince one more time you would understand. Maybe twee is all about the beauty of life, and how simplicity may just be best. Definition is not always the best thing. Twee is probably all about being nice, and not worrying about other differances, but i could be wrong. Basically everyone has a bit of twee in them, I think so at least. If it was just about bunny slippers, cardigans, and pretty days, well that would be cuddle core. As far as Belle and Sebastian being refered to as twee, well it is pretty inacurate, they have twee songs, but no twee band would produce something as adult as IYFS. Chris ===== The sole member of the Lost Letter Society A society dedicated to turtle lovers everywhere. Http://www.mp3.com/LostLetterSociety __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ssonner at xxx.com Mon May 8 02:08:37 2000 From: ssonner at xxx.com (Sarah Garrett Sonner) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 01:08:37 GMT Subject: Sinister: with a knife and a bike chain, la la la Message-ID: <20000508010837.5534.qmail@hotmail.com> Fellow sinners, First off: My recent buildup of thoughts containing actual B&S content and a subtle name-check have roused me from my (heretofore lurking) bedsit infamy. On the subject of smut colliding with twee etc. (and trying not to be too repetitive): I�ve always first described the band to people who have never heard them by saying that they write excellent songs with lovely sounds filled with lyrics of hidden ire and often disguised cynicism and frustration. The juxtaposition of such is what attracted me to them in the first place and I think that�s what makes them wonderful.* That�s also why I prefer Struan�s songs�exactly for the way he combines angst with melody. (Reminds me that Stephin Merritt has a similar talent.) I don�t find this complexity in Isobel�s songs and to a lesser degree in songs by other members of the band. S&M and Bible study may be appealing by themselves, but putting them together intrigues me much more. Tangent not meant to offend: spraying walls and marking territory It doesn�t surprise me that Mr Murdoch got so angry at the journalists. (The use of �cunting� to get a triple word score did not shock me either.) I�d probably react the same if I were in his position, but being a relatively apolitical girl, I�m not. Though, I have been using the adjective/adverb "fucking" alot lately, so maybe we have something in common. About fucking time. Thinking about politicizing music reminded me of the existence of Rage Against the Machine, and then in further randomness I thought of a Beck interview quote that I cut out of an early '90's copy of Spin for laughs when I was but an impressionable alternative lass of fourteen. It went something like, ��Beck begins sarcastically whining, �Oh, the tragedy and anguish, you just gotta Rage Against the Appliance, man. The toast is burning and you just gotta rip it out before it fills the house with smoke. Rage Against the Toaster.�� Memory like an elephant, mine. I�m glad Stuart sprays walls in Glasgow for anyone with eyes in their head, and doesn�t feel like he should have to go on about it to the music press to further his causes. Overarchingly setting their politics to music would discourage me from listening to B&S, I'm afraid. Crusading against Twee Hearing the word bandied about, twee has come to mean something pretty narrow to me. Any of the band�s detractors that I�ve heard always seem to cite their supposed tweeness as the first count against them and it�s obvious to me these naysayers aren�t really listening to the lyrics or they�d realize that twee doesn�t do them justice. It might do the Gentle Waves justice, which is just fine for the Gentle Waves. There are lots of quaking skeletons in my indie-rock closet. My taste is very eclectic and in addition to stuff like Hefner and the Magnetic Fields that seems popular around here, I also have some items in my music collection that I�m afraid would make some of you nauseous, or at least befuddled. Belle and Sebastian are a favorite, but they�re in mixed company in my record bin, shelved between 'Archie Bell and the Drells' and 'The Birthday Party.' Lastly: The Manly Size of Legal Man Scott wrote: I�ll be receiving my extended 12� dickslap secondhand before I decide if it�s worth shelling out my hard-earned student loan $ for my own private dose of vinyl. Until then I�ll just enjoy the smaller size, thanks. Figures that the DJ would be the one to justify the 2 formats in the interview. Ibiza? Who knows, maybe someday the Dust Brothers will sample it or something. An obnoxious man once told me I have a talent for stating the obvious. At this point I am chagrined to agree. I�ve tried to lovingly embellish the obvious here, at least. I hope it�s not a fault to find these days. Right, back to lurking. xxx Sarah * Sometimes it takes a while for my friends to be converted. One close friend for whom I made a B&S mix tape in December phoned me last week to tell me she�d finally realized their genius. She said, �what�s that band you sent me? Sebastian Bach? [she doesn't read labels well] They�re in my walkman all the time now, I love the part about the gay brother standing up with a sailor friend at his sister�s wedding!� My listcrush vote goes to the cutie who can tell me who Sebastian Bach is. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Cjmonty at xxx.com Mon May 8 03:11:20 2000 From: Cjmonty at xxx.com (Cjmonty at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 22:11:20 EDT Subject: Sinister: late for the party Message-ID: <54.38d7c5a.26477c48@aol.com> just a fan-come-lately wondering if anyone knows of the origins of the "dog on wheels" cover pic. a fav-oh-rite of mine, that. no wise words to give today (or maybe anyday), too busy trying to finish the courses. but i agree with kaleidoscopic and his brand of twee... maybe B&S isnt strictly twee but Le Pastie is about as twee as i can imagine. The songs have an odd ability to revive my own sentimental memories, as if written just for little old me. Good luck with monday, everyone. colin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From GardeningAtNight at xxx.com Mon May 8 03:50:30 2000 From: GardeningAtNight at xxx.com (GardeningAtNight at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 22:50:30 EDT Subject: Sinister: It only figures that I'd ride my bike into wet cement Message-ID: David who is obviously heartless said: << I will also cross myself off the list of people who go skipping in meadows with bunnyrabbits. I trust no explanation is required. >> I want an explanation. How can you resist bunny rabbits? I saw one chasing another up a hill yesterday on my way home and it made me go weak and say "awwwwwwww." Sarah said: << * Sometimes it takes a while for my friends to be converted. One close friend for whom I made a B&S mix tape in December phoned me last week to tell me she’d finally realized their genius. She said, “what’s that band you sent me? Sebastian Bach? [she doesn't read labels well] They’re in my walkman all the time now, I love the part about the gay brother standing up with a sailor friend at his sister’s wedding!” My listcrush vote goes to the cutie who can tell me who Sebastian Bach is. >> I can't exactly say who he is but I know of him. He was in a band called the Last Hard Men. Of course, when I was 12 years old I did a slide show on my then-favorite band (er, the Smashing Pumpkins) and mentioned that band too. I noticed my teacher giving me a funny look when I said the name but I thought she just didn't like rock music. Whenever I see his name mentioned I laugh for a good long time, it's probably because of his 80's hairdo. But I'm not a cutie so I probably won't get your (or anyone's for that matter - wah!) listcrush vote. About selling out: don't be silly. About Jen: I'm just going to assume that all the booze you've had lately has destroyed your memory, so that's why I haven't gotten a letter from you about boys and why football sucks and all that grate Jen stuff. About Legal Man: I don't know why I'm so weird about these things, but for some reason I keep putting off calling the radio station on New Music Sunday and requesting Legal Man. I really doubt they've got it but the guy is British so maybe I'd get some sympathy from him. Or a good smacking. Probably that. I don't think the cover art is much different than regular B&S, it's sort of like LLPJ. I quite like it. Who's in the picture, though? About twee: In the online dictionary it says "(chiefly British) sweet." About why age 15 is crap: I've been all hyped up about going to the Apples in Stereo gig this Friday, but then I read in the listings that it's 18+. Does anyone know how much clubs usually enforce this, or if they'll let me in with a parent, or if I need to speak with them beforehand and make an arrangement? I'll cry if I can't go. And it's wrong to make girls cry. So, please help me if you can. Samantha +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ryannanbi at xxx.com Mon May 8 04:00:54 2000 From: Ryannanbi at xxx.com (Ryannanbi at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 23:00:54 EDT Subject: Sinister:twee indeed Message-ID: <1e.4ebffe3.264787e6@aol.com> Hello everyone. My name is ryan and this is my first post. I promised myself to save this wonderfully special moment(smiles) until i had a reason to introduce myself. And after reading david's wonderful essay on the definition of twee...or at least his interpretation...i feel awfully refreshed and am deciding to post. I can't continue without saying i am a little tiny bit anxious being a newcomer, but everyone just seems so gosh darn nice and twee... Really i don't have much more to add besides i am about to turn 22, love to write and play music, live in New Jersey(ugh), and am obviously quite into Belle and Sebastian. About that post, though...there was just something about the eloquence of david's post that...well...it's a bit brilliant, i think anyway. Thats all. I wish a had a great story to tell ...or at least a funny joke, but for now i'll take my chances with this ridiculously bland first attempt at making new friends with other B&S enthusiasts(its quite hard to find them around here). with love and other warm feelings, ryan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Pelican303 at xxx.com Mon May 8 05:03:31 2000 From: Pelican303 at xxx.com (Pelican303 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 00:03:31 EDT Subject: Sinister: The genius of Stuart "Patty Page" Murdoch Message-ID: Oh shock and horror eternal...my world has been turned upside down. Hasn't yours? Or I the only who noticed the striking similarity between the "greatest melody of all pop music" (which obviously belongs to Slow Graffiti for those of you out there who, also, are slow) and certain song sung by one Patty Page...at least I think it was Patty Page...it was someone with an alliterative name like that ("alliteration will conquer all")... you know...the old 50's chick who did "How much is that doggie in the window?". (You all will be amused that upon first typing that I accidentally wrote "How much is that donkey in the window?") well I saw an ad on PBS for some biography on her singing some song ("I go walking...with my darling") with a rather similar melody...though the harmonic pattern was different, but I was still crushed. (Why is it that neither PBS, ABC, CBS, or NBC sound as cool as BBC?) Well, in light of this discovery, I'm giving up my Belle and Sebastian fandom...I'm done with the whole thing (a few minutes later Rob runs off for a "B&S fix"...oh yeah...that's goooooood). Anyway...I apologize for the lack of content involving twee and selling out...maybe next time. Can I just say, there are way too many cute girls on this list for just one crush vote. I just want you chickies to know that I am in love with each and everyone of you (some more than others...don't you get jealous Kal ;) ). I suppose that's all. I will now drive my moped back into the shadows. The anti-mod Rob +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Mon May 8 06:29:38 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:29:38 +1200 Subject: Sinister: dance dance dance to (the Belle & Sebastian song on) the radio Message-ID: <000101bfb8b1$7772d600$846137d2@computer> Just in regard to Youn's post (and I know he did kinda clarify his point soon afterwards) I'd just like to share a transcendant moment. My girlfriend and I travelled from Auckland, New Zealand, to Melbourne, Australia, last year from New Year, mainly just because we wanted to avoid the "New Zealand is the first country to see in the millenium" malarky. Anyway, there wasn't all that much to do on New year's eve itself, aside from your usual swag of E-fueled dance parties and a fireworks display. In the end we begrudgingly decided to go to a "indie" night, out of sheer desperation and a desire not to spend the night in our hit stuffy little room. Anyway, the usual Britpop circa 95-96 was being played ... and me, being a miserable git, was sitting in the corner, my NHS spectacles steamed up and my feet very sore from so much walking all day. Anyway ... amongst the dull indie pop came "She's Losing It", and I got up and danced and danced and danced and, for two minutes, I have never felt so happy. I'm sure it depends on the context .... but right then I have never felt so amazing, and Belle & Sebastian have never sounded so good. Quoth Morrissey " and when you're dancing and laughing and finally loving .." I don't think I ever knew what he meant up until that point. A beautiful moment. Secondly, Youn implied (I think) that Belle & Sebastian (and Stuart M) seem to have, in some way, renounced their principles. I'd just like to say that I don't think that artist development,or progression, is a bad thing. I love the first two Belle & Sebastain albums more than virtually any otgher albums in the world, but i don't know if I'd love another hald dozen albums in the exact same style. not that I'm suggesting that I'd like B&S to go nosebleed techo, drum and bass or anything. I just think it's important from the to follow their creative urges. On a more selfish and self serving note. I have never seen a Belle & Sebastian video clip, nor any moving images of my favourite band. Should anyone who has all the promo videos on tape (from a PAL SECAM country, and not an NTSC country) be willing to make me copies of videos, live performances etc., I will love them forever, and might be able to trade them for some good, but not B&S stuff. I think there was a documentary or something last year too?? I'd REALLY appreciate hearing from someone about these things. I remember that Jeepster said they'd put out a video more than a year ago, and thus far .... nothing. I'm desperate kids, desperate! Take care (all twelve hundred of you) Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Mon May 8 12:51:22 2000 From: ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:51:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: To twee, or not to twee? Message-ID: Hello again On the subject of being twee, or not, I think the problem is one of who's labelling who. Concepts such as romance and sensitivity have had their insides torn out by sentimentality, Ally McBeal and his'n'hers dressing gowns. I'm unable to say that someone is 'genuine', even if they're the most authentic person I've met, without the spectre of Bob Hoskins, the honest guv'nor, jumping into my head and making me feel uneasy about saying it. I think most honest emotions or qualites like these are undermined by the fact that too often they're pretended. So that makes twee a funny word, because from what I can gather it is defined to mean "sickly sentimental", but people use it as a mark of authenticity. Someone may label you twee as an insult, because you're rubbish at PE and you like rabbits, but you're quite proud of these things so you think, if these things are twee, then that's what I am and it'as okay. It's sort of like being called a queer, or a nigger I suppose. It depends on who's labelling who. Mind you, I don't think labels of any sort are a great idea. If you want to be known by a label, you may as well be a tin of beans. I think most people who like Belle and Sebastian know what they like about them, without calling it tweeness. I've met a few random people by wearing my B+S t-shirt, who've come up to me in the street and said not "Hey, you're twee! That's great", but just said "Hey! Belle and Sebastian!". That's all it takes really. I think if someone asked me if B+S were twee, I'd say they write sad, pretty songs with lots of words, but no, they're not twee. Sorry for being a little long-winded. It's funny how the list sometimes becomes all earnest and full of issues like it is now when most of the time it's full of random nonsense. If I was writing this last week it would be full of bums and titties and that incident with the goldfish and the "novelty" shorts. But never mind. I really fancy eating a sausage. Right now! Bye! Robin x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Mon May 8 13:22:27 2000 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:22:27 +0100 (GMT/BST) Subject: Sinister: Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:18:47 +0100 Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E22DB3B14@SERVER1> Chris Paluch said: "Twee is about being dreamful and poetic, with an added touch of unrequited love and misery, and sorta cute. It means being hopelessly shy, and well sentimental, but not towards things, but towards memories, relationships, etc [...] But twee tends to have its serious moments, and a search for meaning that is well, perfectly human. Twee is all about well being yourself." Hmm. I don't really think it is. The twee described above is an expedient melange. One angle is what we (some of us at any rate, myself included) want it to mean, a useful tag that we can use to differentiate ourselves from other types. It combines elements of the insult reclaimed, along with a sense that we know others find our attitudes a bit cloying and whimsical and WE DON'T CARE. The other side of twee is what we want others to be, most particularly our heroes. I can't speak for everyone, but do we really crave "unrequited love and misery"? I don't. It's horrible. But I sometimes enjoy hearing others telling me about it (*on occasion*, not all the bloody time) - the tortured artist you can empathise with, or even want to be like, but without the bad bits. So by all means, if you want to claim the word to describe a philosophy you find appealing, or maybe just recognise around you, go for it. I just think it's misleading claiming that it's what twee (small 't') is, because it isn't. The NME - just ignore them, really. Ever since they've been allowed to use FUCK instead of f___ they've been like gleeful schoolboys. Stuart did have a valid point to make about Primal Scream, or rather not about Primal Scream, but about Belle and Sebastian - Primal Scream were there as an EXAMPLE. Stuart has issues about the politicisation of pop, and used Primal Scream's stance to express what he thinks. Which is a lot more interesting, but sadly you won't read about it in the music press. Ian Watson was nice, though. The delectable Sarah Garrett Sonner should post more often. Don't even think of going back to lurkdom, hon :-) And it's not just cos I want a listcrush vote, even though I thought Sebastian Bach was in Skid Row. Is that not right? The Luscious Pouting Robin Stout should post even more often. I really fancy her. Mark xxx p.s. thanks to Erica and Lucy for not mentioning which tipsy, extremely embarrassed listee who bigged up Belle and Sebastian in the corniest way imaginable last week... ******************************************************************* The contents of this e mail from HIT Entertainment PLC are confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy or further distribute this e mail; please notify us by telephone on 020 7224 1717, and delete the e mail from your computer. This e mail has been checked by our anti-virus system before leaving us; we accept no responsibility for the e mail and any attachments once they leave us. www.hitentertainment.com www.bobthebuilder.org ******************************************************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ruth.A.Deller at xxx.Deller Mon May 8 13:57:57 2000 From: Ruth.A.Deller at xxx.Deller (Ruth.A.Deller at xxx.Deller) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 13:57:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Tweeness In-Reply-To: <20000508010837.5534.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000508010837.5534.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: With all this talk of tweeness, here's a thought to consider: are the Tweenies twee? Rad. ----- every time you vacuum, remember what to do. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From acook at xxx.uk Mon May 8 15:23:17 2000 From: acook at xxx.uk (Alasdair Cook MC1996) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:23:17 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I wish that life could be just like a photograph. But not one of me... Message-ID: <3916CDD5.793A4EA8@cs.strath.ac.uk> You people are dirty. That's why I love you. That picnic thing on Saturday was a bit of a laugh. Jen can handle her drink far better than me, but then I am a big girl's blouse. She's now a fully paid up member of the Sinister "we're only happy in the pub" brigade, and long may she rool. Everyone else was brill as well. I strive to match the coolness level of these people. I'm not succeeding. I also heard Legal Man for the first time, and it's fantastic! Although obviously it promotes anarchy. Which is a..........good thing! "JESUS CHRIST!", you may have said to yourself as you opened the first new photo on the picnics page. Who the HELL is that ugly bastard? Well, unfortunately, tis me. I thought I'd seen some bad photo's of myself but that takes the entire biscuit barrel and the sweet trolley with it. Overall a good weekend, only marred by the fact that I had to spend most of it with those complete arses Martin "Playground Love" Robinson and Matt "Cunt" Powell. Those people are the scum on my boots. Laughing at B&S members dancing has long been a hobby of mine, and this weekend has been a top one for my scrapbook, with a new "cossack" variation from Chris and the usual alternate bouncing feet while spinning from Murdoch. These people should not be allowed out in a civilised society. Mind you, neither should I. Sarah said: > Fellow sinners, > > First off: And for a second I thought she said "Fuck Off", which would have been the greatest start to a mail ever. But it wasn't. Luckily, though, the rest of her mail was great, so that made up for the disappointment. I don't have much to say at the moment, as I can never be bothered to get involved in list issues. Because I'm really stupid. Oh, I went on Sinister chat for the first time today, and it was wonderful. The way you can talk to people without having to see their ugly mugs. And vice versa. Actually I think Trousers was the only one in there with an ugly mug. It has a picture of Ron Atkinson on it. Boom boom. When, will I, will I be funny? Never. Finally, Lawrence M said: > amongst the dull indie pop came "She's > Losing It", and I got up and danced and danced and danced and, for two > minutes, I have never felt so happy. Which made me think of the end of a poem by Auden. It's from memory, though, so might not be right. It goes Dance, dance, for the figure is easy The tune is catching and will not stop Dance till the stars come down with the rafters Dance, dance, dance till you drop. And on that note, I shall take my leave. I have to find a hammer so I can smash Matt Powell's face in. I'll smash it so much he'll end up actually looking handsome. Then I'm off to the swings with Martin Robinson. Bye. Alasdair xx PS This has been a bit of a rubbish post, hasn't it? Sorry, I'm tired. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From steven.kado at xxx.ca Mon May 8 17:18:19 2000 From: steven.kado at xxx.ca (Steven Kado) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:18:19 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Today I met the girl i'm going to marry Message-ID: <00af01bfb909$1f864280$0902a7d1@yesic.com> fuck this twee shit ...how dull. yesterday my friend jesse and i were throwing grapes at the flying rats in the park. filthy beasts those pigeons. although we never hit one we did make them abandon their silly looking courtship displays for a moment to avoid our airborne fruit. and then they ate the fruit we threw. so in a way we were feeding the pigeons. but feeding them violently. with force. grrrr. on to real things: i don;t think the legal man cover is that much of a departure from belle and sebastian covers of yore. where TBWTAS is the green cover and IYFS is the red cover and LLPJ is the pink cover this is the white cover. but the lettering is a different colour...which is the only problematic bit. i think it looks great. it'd be so good if B&S put out instrumental albums, that'd be so felt. yeah! hatcha! too bad we're talking about selling out. i mean, i was on the elvis costello list back when i was in highschool and every so often selling out would rear its ugly head and i mean...elvis costello is 50! selling out? i mean come on. thats just silly y'all. word. so yes, from one point of view, elvis sold out in 1978....can you imagine how tedious that list could be when that thread came up? ack. i went to a punk show the other day and i'm all hyped up on nation of ulysses now. the drummer cracked his hand open on his ride cymbal and bled everywhere. it was bouncing on the snare drum and soaking the carpet and he had to go to the hospital and get stiches after playing the show. and he bled all over his nation of ulysses t-shirt, which made it soo cool as a t-shirt. its the one where they're combing their hair in the mirror. woo. i'm thinking of removing my sweat glands. they're so uncouth and gross. i hate that since its summer i can't dance without shedding pounds of water. it spoils my good shirts and makes me have to wash things more. fucking sweat. its worse than pigeons. or hag eels. s t e v e n ! ! k a d o ! ! ! ! ! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Mon May 8 20:19:05 2000 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:19:05 EDT Subject: Sinister: Kiss a little bit, fight a little bit, kiss a little bit...whoa baby Message-ID: I finally checked out the Legal Man cover everyone has been jiving about and I think its great. A long time ago someone said that B&S make everything they do a look artsy. How true. Maybe its cause I'm a sucker for 60s kitsch, but I don't see how anyone can forsake a shot of Isobel looking hawd with her gat in her hand. The pic alone makes me want to buy the 12". Christa mentioned how the delay of the album has become a blessing in disguise, and I must agree. Now that it comes out in the early summer, we'll all be able to listen to it during our holidays and trips to the beach, which is surely the best time for a new album to be digested. God bless unforseen delays. I've been reading Woody Guthrie's autobiography Bound For Glory, and its really amazing. I highly recommend it to everyone interested in common folk and what music can do for the soul. I really would have liked to have met Mr. Guthrie cause I'd admire his passion for common folk and doing what feels natural and right. Alot of people said he was a lousy father and an errant husband, and I won't touch any of that, but I still think he really had his finger on the pulse of music and humanity. Steven Kado brought up Nation of Ulysees, and I must vouch that they rock(ed). I lost my copy of Plays Pretty For Baby a few months ago, which sucks cause its impossible to find now that its out of print. They really weren't the most talented band to come down the pike, but damn them if they didn't make up for it with lyrics like "'She wants a boy who'll laugh at everyone, who'll go with her like bullets in a gun..SHAKEDOWN!!!" and things like that. I like them alot better than Make-Up, but thats just me. Hockey calls... Steve C. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* "Which Paul?" "BLAH!" visit http://callowkids.tripod.com or your crush will hate you forever +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glen.mitchell at xxx.com Mon May 8 20:57:19 2000 From: glen.mitchell at xxx.com (Glen) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 20:57:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: steve lamacq save my soul Message-ID: <007e01bfb927$c1a14ce0$0c0301d5@oemcomputer> Hello there tweenies I've just heard Legal Man again on Steve Lamacq (a fine character) and realised it is truly grate, with a capital b. On this twee thing, twee is what you want it to be, if you're sensitive, caring, loving, sincere, truthful, cute, sweet, nostalgic, happy sometimes, depressed sometimes, then you're twee. mostly you need that certain honest gleam in your eyes. I read somewhere once that the typical twee B&S fan "sits on his bed playing a battered acoustic guitar, smoking funny cigarettes." Glen "when I grow up, I want to be a twee." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Mon May 8 21:00:06 2000 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:00:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The Who? Sell Out? Message-ID: <000101bfb928$2035f260$7fad01d5@default> Hi Kidz, Looper sell out! Or at least the album Geometrid will, as its ONLY £8.99 in HMV! Tee Hee. I take it all back - Stuart David is a top bloke, & in future anyone who dares call his illustrious record company Cheapster will have to deal with letters from MY lawyers as well. Props to all for selling a maxi album at a maxi price. All you lot whingeing about having to lash out on 2 formats of the single just wait: I bet that 12 inch will be on the racks at a mere 99p. Why is Peter Miller listening to so much Suzanne Vega? Loo000oove to all, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Mon May 8 21:43:27 2000 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:43:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Contemporary Political Ideologies (yeah, as if!) Message-ID: <003701bfb92e$13d00fa0$788d183e@default> Hello folksies! a few items on the agenda today... *Glasgow Picnic* Thanks to everyone who turned up, it was a lovely day. Thanks to Ally for making us all climb the fence into Kelivingrove Park's bandstand because he didn't realise the gate was open at the other end . Thanks to everyone who turned up (if I miss anyone, please slap me) being: Sweetie, Owen, Ally, Callum, Baby Chris Crystally Bollocks , Jamie, Martin (I think, sorry if I'm wrong), Matt, Debbie, Pamela the Toffiecrisp, Lisa 'Southern Comfort Advert' Walker, Nicky (I think), JenOwl (who favoured us all with her first time pubbing), Ailsa, Neil, Iain (possibly Ian), and I think that's all. If I forgot you, please accept my humblest apologies. I sort of left after we meandered into the pub (since the 'carry-out' people never returned) because I'm not really a pub person and it was too hot and smoky (my eyes were running like bastards). Sorry if anyone was disappointed at a lack of Jason-ness afterwards (although I'm sure I wasn't missed ). I hope some of the pictures Calumn and Jamie took appear online soon. And a special message to all of you on #sinister: The people who were snogging each other is not my right to tell. If they reveal it themselves, then fine, but otherwise, stop hassling me!!!! *Daphnie And Celeste* Aren't these two little buggers rather rude. After saying 'Ooh, stick you, your mamma too, and your daddy' they now accuse us of being ugly. Aren't they just *not* twee at all!!! They should be grounded. *Sinister Uniforms* This started as a joke topic between me and Owen, but got me thinking. What does everyone think of the idea of a Sinister T-Shirt. Maybe a small 'Sinister' on the front and "IT'S WHERE WE LIVE" in big letters on the back? Perhaps some little bunnies or something? *Twee sign* I'm afraid I can't remember who the original idea was from, but I really like the idea of taking a "TWEE" sign to a B&S gig and holding it up at certain moments. I hope you don't mind me nicking the idea and putting it into practise... *Soulwax* Anyone going to see Soulwax in Glasgow on Thursday night at King Tut's? *PRML SCRM* I actually quite like Primal Scream to tell the truth, although I do feel XTRMNTR was their weakest output in ages. I wear my MTHR FCKR T-Shirt with pride Okies, I'll leave now :) Byeeeeeeeeee --Jason Andreas Silent whispers in my head, Never heard but always said. ICQ: 45821217 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chickfactor at xxx.uk Mon May 8 20:45:58 2000 From: chickfactor at xxx.uk (brenda milton-bradley) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:45:58 -0700 Subject: Sinister: she's losing it Message-ID: <200005081945.MAA16401@mail7.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From ian at xxx.com Mon May 8 22:14:21 2000 From: ian at xxx.com (Ian Connelly) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: sell-out! Message-ID: it's funny that all this talk about 'selling out,' (which strikes me as sooo 1992) is occuring on so many lists i'm on, all in the same month. is it something about springtime? has the spirit of maximumrocknroll magazine invaded all of our little minds all at once? is it the rain? http://www.divinia.com/people/ian/sinister_eggers.htm do any of you read mcsweeneys.net? or that hyperbolically named book 'a heartbreaking work of staggering genius'? they're both sort of the work of mr. dave eggers, who used to make a really funny ironic-as-1990s-california zine here in the us; anyway, getting to the point: he recently wrote a really amazing thing about 'selling out' that was reposted to the Pavement mailing list, and i've web-posted it in tidy text form for any and all of you to read, if you care (url above). the basic point he makes is this: >What matters is that you do good work. What matters >is that you produce things that are true and will stand. i can't wait for the new b&s singles to come out, and will definitely be in line on the first day to buy both formats. and the album, too, a few weeks later. i don't know if this means i'm a sad, fawning fanboy with a pathological need for completist collectorism, but i DO know that b&s still make me ridiculously dance-alone-in-my-room happy to the core of my mopheaded little self - that's the important thing, i think. oh, and mr. PF's post was wonderful! more! ian c +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From JENOWL22 at xxx.com Mon May 8 22:28:24 2000 From: JENOWL22 at xxx.com (JENOWL22 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:28:24 EDT Subject: Sinister: Ooooooooooooooooooooooooh. ooh. Message-ID: Hewwo, Isn't my subject line not at all grate? I should be in bed, it's a school night, and I go to bed at half nine, but not tonight. Tonight I will be naughty and post to sinister at ten past ten. I keep getting mistaken for a prefect in school, because of my B&S and Gentle Waves badges. Oops. Oh I went to record fair testerday and got Panic by the Smiths on vinyl, Cool. In RE today I made a silly billy of myself. Hmm. We were getting work experience lectures (in RE for some reason). Well, it all started when I was thinking about how someone on sinister said that they thought brothels were places where broth was given to homeless people. So I though, maybe, I could do my work experience in a homeless hostel, or soup kitchen, if I couldn't get a hospital or something cool. So I blurted out to the hard kid next to me "D'you think I could do work experience in a soup kitchen or a brothel or something". Then realised what I'd said. But by this time she'd told the teacher, so he prolly thinks I'm a little budding slut, and everyone was laughing, then I made it worse when I said that I'd been confused for a moment and thought it was a homeless place. Eeeeeee. On twee, and tweeness. A lot of people say I'm twee, but I still like to make dirty jokes (even if I don't know what they mean), and sometimes I hit people ( well, once and IT WAS SELF DEFENCE), and I went in a pub once. I also like Bunty and snails and owls and foxes and baby cats and knitting and running around in fields and playing pass the parcel for my fourteenth brithday party, and I still have dolls and they all have names, and I drink ribena and try to get my friends to play hopscotch, and wear knee high socks, though, and some people think that's pretty twee, though I just can't be any other way, though I have tried. I think twee is just being kind and nice, and not always hitting back, and trying to help people even if they're bad to you, and being quite sensitive, and being gentle and a bit of a wuss, but knowing when to stand up and fight at the right times. But maybe I'm completely wrong, or something. Oh yeah, and B&S ARE twee, and grate and that's why I love them to bits. Hugs, Jen Ps. It's sunny, so i don't have grey skin anymore, like my friends say I do. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MBP99KLC at xxx.uk Tue May 9 00:48:15 2000 From: MBP99KLC at xxx.uk (kaytee) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 00:48:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: "Half hours on earth - what are they worth? I don't know" References: <200005051808.TAA04647@missprint.org> Message-ID: <007301bfb947$e8558ac0$21d4a78f@ratsmbp99klc> hello sinister, I was happy to read of ian: > i'll listen with joy, as i always do, to the opening bars of "sleep the clock around" with the whirly swirly music that makes my insides smile which i couldn't have put any better. though not an obvious star of a song, it has snuck into the favourites list in my mind. the fact that someone came up with the beauty of those little 'whoo' sounds gives me some kind of faith in... something. i went to the library today, which was an achievement as i've been on the last third of the book i'm reading since, erm, january. i got out 'the screwtape letters' by c.s lewis (who wrote the narnia books in case there's anyone that didn't read them) and, for some reason, a book about buddhism. it's not something i know anything about, i just got it out of interest, but i mention it because of a couple of things i rather liked - nothing we didn't know already, but it's nice to have it confirmed by an expert. it's talking about how you can get to some kind of higher state (you have to try and forget that terms like this have become comical!) basically on purpose through meditation, but also in more indirect ways... "the enjoyment of great works of art - of great poetry, music and painting - often helps to raise the level of consciousness. such enjoyment raises it if the works in question are truly great - if they really do issue from a higher state of consciousness in the artist himself - if they actually are an expression of a higher state of consciousness than we usually experience... "then there is association with spiritually minded people, especially those who are more spiritually advanced than ourselves... it is what is referred to again and again in Indian religious and spiritual literature as 'satsangh'. 'sat' means true, real, authentic, geniune, spiritual... while 'sangh' means association, or communion, or fellowship." so if you don't like twee you can say that belle and sebastian are sat. i am trying desperately not to recommend the silver jews again... damn, i couldn't help it. i'm pretty sure they are sat at times as well (and now i've gone and mentioned them i'd be happy to make a tape for anyone). oh, and as we now have a katy c and a katy d on the list, i have decided to change my name to a silly spelling. kaytee c. x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Tue May 9 03:28:28 2000 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:28:28 EDT Subject: Sinister: Woddy Guthrie/Wilco/Billy Bragg Message-ID: <90.41174bb.2648d1cc@aol.com> I don't mean to post twice in the same day, but I know there's a good-sized Wilco following on this list so I figured I'd pass along some great news: On May 30th, Mermaid Avenue 2 is being released, which contains 15 or so songs many of which were newly recorded. Jeff Tweedy says is a more challenging and less folksy album, which should be really interesting. I heard a clip of a Billy Bragg tune called "You Facists' Bound To Lose" and it sounded really rocking and awesome! You can check out www.wilcoweb.com for some more info (and sound clips). To make good news even better, Bragg and Wilco plan to celebrate the release by staging a joint-tour this summer where they'll play songs entirely off both Mermaid Avenue LPs. I've never seen Billy, but Wilco rocks like a magikist. Rock over London, Rock over Chicago...Heinz, its America's favorite ketchup Steve C. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* "Which Paul?" "BLAH!" visit http://callowkids.tripod.com or your crush will hate you forever +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mattwardfhnn at xxx.com> Tue May 9 05:58:56 2000 From: mattwardfhnn at xxx.com> (mattwardfhnn at xxx.com>) Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 23:58:56 -0500 Subject: Sinister: twee In-Reply-To: <200005081151.MAA29162@missprint.org> Message-ID: If twee refers to people who look for beauty in life, then we should all be so lucky as to be twee. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jaffa_cakes at xxx.com Tue May 9 09:23:53 2000 From: jaffa_cakes at xxx.com (Pamela Tait) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 01:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: WARNING: GLASGOW PICNICS DAMAGE YOUR HEALTH Message-ID: <15604558.957860633511.JavaMail.imail@slippery> My second post. Yeah, so anyway..... Went to the Glasgow meet up on Saturday. That is, me and my two mates Lisa and Angie. T'was a beautiful day. I was enjoying my fourth day of legal drinking and, funnily enough, the fourth day of my drinking binge. Met the kids in George Square (a BIG hello to all present: Jason, Chris, Jen, Owen, Gail, Ally, Calumn, The Count Snorlax, Morrissey, Neil'n'Ailsa and the rest). Had lunch at the bandstand in Kelvingrove Park. Then we went to the pub. Oh dear. The Tap, a nice place at the far end of Suck-It-All Street and strictly speaking, I should have just had 'The One' and gone home. But I gave in and gulped down down my cider and blackcurrant and played pool (badly), apologising after every bad shot. Somehow and Alex blur lookey-likey ordered five pizzas and a garlic bread to our table. Which was nice. Went back to Calumn's Castle in the West End and had no sleep, some beer and sent my first sinister post. Supported Morrisseys legs as he fell asleep across three of our laps. Had a slagging match with my mate and ended up smoking Camel (-shit) fags and slowly lost the sight in one eye. Lisa had to go. I hadn't called home. Wrote Calumn a note and had to leave without saying goodbye or thanks (which I feel goddamn awful about now. Calumn: cheers for stuff. It was well groovey). Discovered we didn't really have a clue where we were. Found Hillhead Underground (which was closed...) and somehow, I got home in one piece. That was on Sunday. I slept for the whole day. Woke up feeling really ill and now I can't sing (perhaps due to the Camel fags or the aftermath of Saturday nights 'aftershock and vomit' incident) and now my whole body aches. Don't get me wrong - I had a bloody good day, but the timing was all wrong. I was reminded today that besides drink, I can also vote so I'm gonna go on a voting binge. Starting off with Clause 28, then moving onto the harder stuff like London Mayoral Elections (if I actually *lived* in London, that is. And if I gived a shit...) I was advised to get a tattoo now that I'm 18 and I have a few designs in mind. The Isobel-Kebab one could be nice, or perhaps a map of Venezuela in pink with a blue border. All suggestions are welcome.... Next meet-up is on May 20th. Can't wait. Song I've been listening to a lot: 'Refractions In The Plastic Pulse' by Stereolab. Go eat a pickle. Remember my name, for it is Toffeecrisp (aged 18 and still on my drinking binge) Pamela xxx ...................................................... I AM OBSESSED WITH BOTTLE GREEN MINI COOPERS. FEAR ME.. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wayne_fortune at xxx.com Tue May 9 12:12:51 2000 From: wayne_fortune at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Wayne=20Fortune?=) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 04:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Edinburgh - Princes St Gardens Picnic - June 10 Message-ID: <20000509111251.10774.rocketmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com> Hello everyone, Just to let you know thate there is going to be a huge (I hope!) picnic in Princes Street Gardens in Edinburgh on 10 June. Everyone is welcome and we are going to meet at 12 noon next to the Scott Monument, and then proceed to Princes Street Gardens for lunch, games and sing-songs!! Yipee!! Please come along. Lots of love Ba Ba __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tsunami.stu at xxx.net Tue May 9 13:03:08 2000 From: tsunami.stu at xxx.net (stuart geddes) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:03:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: List Virginity a sacred thing Message-ID: <001501bfb9ae$8b503200$0a79a8c2@gedlineone.net> Ok so I was given my voice on the 7/2/00 and I'vee sat all these months just reading. For some reason when I woke up this morning and put on Elliot Smith as I was washing I felt that today was the day to post a message. i didn't know what I was going to write about, so I thought that I'd just start speaking and see what I said. I have read a lot of criticism of the new Belle and Sebastian seingle, but I think that its tops. Really I don't think they can put a foot wrong. I remember buying the boy with the arab strap, totally just out of curiosity. I had seen it advertised in NME and I'd seen the curious green cover in Virgin in Argyle STreet for many months, and then one day I bought that and Desserters Songs. I don't listen to Mercury Rev, but little did I know then that Belle and Sebastian were gonna take over my summer. Last Summer was a total arse for me. I had messed about during my second year @ uni, and I was now faced with three resits that was going to spoil my summer, I also dumped my girlfriend of four years, and was faced with everyone telling me what she was up to. The night before t in the park I watched the Belle and Sebastian programme on BBC two, and that changed my life, it was just really smart. And after that I recorded all of the albums onto minidisc so that I couild listen in the car. I do a lot of drivnf and the albums are ingrained onto my brain now, In particular but, Tigermilk and If you're feeling sinister. There are definitely my favourites and songs Like I don't love anyone and Stars of Track and Field remind me of what a great summer it turned out to be. This year things are a lot better. I've found a great girlfriend, and uni is back on track I sat my first exam yesterday , and I've got two more on thursday and friday. And so I am finishing my inaugral rant, as the Elliot Smith album is just finishing. I must add that Elliot Smith reminds me a bit of Sean Lennon. Sorry. Anyhoo I hope I didn't bore you too much The StarbrightBoy This message has been brought to you by the STARLESS WONDER +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Adam.Williams at xxx.uk Tue May 9 13:03:01 2000 From: Adam.Williams at xxx.uk (Williams Adam (Mr A)) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:03:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: No-one called Pablo Picasso an Asshole Message-ID: <2F6030D3D79DD3119A8300902732B91FF68B21@FELPRV02> Hiya. Just a tale on the magical healing qualities of B&S, plus the ever-pleasant taste and a kick like a bottle of Benolin. But the risks, oh the risks... I was out with me ol' mucker John Stuart Mill the other day who was well narked at having his holiday snaps snipped out of the final cut of 'When Celebrities Strip' a couple of weeks ago, and was trying to provide him with the greatest amount of pleasure in the smallest amount of time. (Plus, although he still denies it, I'm sure he's still upset that Immanual Kant ran off with Gloria Steiner on him.) "I mean Gail bloody Porter," he was moaning, "Yeah she gets her arse on the Houses of Parliament, but how many people inside has she influenced with HER work, eh? Apart from Robin Cook, obviously." We sipped a few absinthes in a pub on the Stockwell Road and headed off to a little indie club called the Hershey bar. A girl, obviously not a listee due to her lack of fear of other-gendered people, started tagging along. She was dull in a suicidal-junkie kinda way and kept banging on for advice about the whole to-be-or-not-to-be biz. I recommended bleach and cheese wire. "I know," she said, "Why don't i just go prozzie myself out and spend all the money on drugs to shove up my arse?" JS congratulated her on her utilisation of available resources and we left her scuttling along the kerbside. The club was packed. The DJ wore a paint-spattered overcoat and had a bit of grass on his head. "Who are you meant to be this week then?" I asked. "Winston Churchill," he replied, cueing up Kajagoogoo. "Well hows about a bit of B&S, Winnie?" "Sure, which one" "Slow graffiti." "That's the one that sounds like the Laughing Gnome?" "ummmmmmmm..." JS was looking dour ("I mean, Sharon crapping Stone. What did SHE ever write?") next to some dark haired girl. He often looks dour though, it's just a side effect of being dead. The girl had the gall to try talking to me without having the courtesy to be witty or interesting. "Look you," I said, "This is a conversation, not a website. Give me one reason why i shouldn't grab you by the shoulders and shake you like an English nanny." "It's not my fault," she simpered "i'm only a figment of the imagination of some bored temp on a long lunchbreak. Anyway, i'm also quite cute and have the air of a young Audrey Hepburn." I bought all her drinks for the rest of the night. Then Slow Graffiti started. "Oh, I love this," said JS, cheering up almost instantly. "It's easily my favourite Bowie track." "It's Belle & Sebastian, you gibbon." "I knew that." Most of the others in the crowd didn't, but like JS they seemed converted. I pushed my hand and asked Winnnie for more. String Bean Jean, TBWTAS, Photo Jenny and Dog on Wheels all followed suit interspersed with early 80s stuff by MOnkeyWhore, The Edams and Arsecandle. JS got into the swing and put aside his usual Blue Oyster Cult requests to ask for the whole of Tigermilk. Winnie obliged and the crowd went as wild as Bowlie-haired ineffectual youths get. (Not very, but they were happy) Then things went wrong... Winnie ran out of B&S and started playing Bis. JS tried saving the evening with a swift request for Debonair, but this only incensed the kids further. Robbed of their fix they got violent and blamed me and JS. I slipped out the back as they hanged him from a mirrorball and set fire to his teeth. I guess there's a moral here somewhere, but i'm buggered if i know what. Something about 'don't spoil yourselves', maybe. Answers on a postcard for a lollipop. be slinky. a. P.S.. 'Twee' IS a pejorative. I am not in any sense twee. But if anyone ever claims i'm not a sweet and sensitive sunbeam of loveliness, I'll glass the fucker. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jaffa_cakes at xxx.com Tue May 9 13:19:29 2000 From: jaffa_cakes at xxx.com (Pamela Tait) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 05:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Screaming Edam Message-ID: <33356472.957874769997.JavaMail.imail@slippery> Hello troops Ever wonder where phrases come from? Yeah, well, people like me make them up on the way to the pub. How d'you all like this un? You know how you get these sad gits who lack confidence and try to make it up by wearing really loud shirts, usually hawaiian ones? You know the type, they're really cheesy and top Man are doing loads of them nowadays. Well.......whenever I see a bloke with one I've taken to calling him a Screaming Edam. Cause he's so loud and cheesy. My mate snogged a screaming edam the other night, the silly thing! Don't forget who started this saying. It was me. the Toffeecrisp. Goodbye and thankyou for listening. Pamela xxx ...................................................... I AM OBSESSED WITH BOTTLE GREEN MINI COOPERS. FEAR ME.. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ferris_Thomas at xxx.com Tue May 9 13:43:31 2000 From: Ferris_Thomas at xxx.com (Thomas, Ferris) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:43:31 -0400 Subject: Sinister: RE: Woddy Guthrie/Wilco/Billy Bragg Message-ID: <200005091245.NAA01593@missprint.org> Only this morning it was read that Steve C. said... > On May 30th, Mermaid Avenue 2 is being released... > ...which should be really interesting. I had the good luck to have seen Billy Bragg when he played the Symphony Space in NYC about two months ago and he played strictly Guthrie music. The show ran probably over two hours and he spoke through almost all of it about the collaborative effort between he and Wilco and the period of American history the music came out of. Neat stuff. He played probably ten songs and the rest of the time was an unscripted monologue. The record has got a lot of guest appearances on it though the only one that comes to mind is Natalie Merchant. -ferris. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From marc_bloomfield at xxx.org Tue May 9 13:40:32 2000 From: marc_bloomfield at xxx.org (marc_bloomfield at xxx.org) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:40:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: before it all vanishes References: <33356472.957874769997.JavaMail.imail@slippery> Message-ID: Hello all, I've been lurking round these climes for a couple of months now, and only plucked up the courage to actually post something when I was automatically unsubscribed because a server conked out (or something). I feel the need to be heard, even if I have very little to say, before the opportunity is taken away because something broke. I'm not actually sure what to say without provoking a big argument, so I'll keep it all a bit brief... Er, very brief actually, because I've had a real stinker of a day/week/month/year, and there's no point complaining in the happy world of Sinister (ironic? maybe...). Well, as far as little introductions go, I think that was particularly little. But, just as a quick sideline, I recently moved to London from the town they call Brightlingsea, and I'm hating it because I don't know anywhere good to go. If anyone's got any ideas about somewhere that doesn't cost the earth, please please please e-mail me (privately, obviously), as it's depressing spending all my cash on booze with no entertainment in sight... Although tonight I have Goldie's 'Timeless' to listen to which arrived today (the 2CD version - yay!). I've no idea of there's anyone else out there who actually likes d&b, but it'd be nice to know I'm not completely on my own about that. Sorry if I've bored everyone here. I'm not very good at this sort of thing. Marc. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Tue May 9 14:38:59 2000 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 06:38:59 PDT Subject: Sinister: We hate stories Message-ID: <20000509133859.58294.qmail@hotmail.com> No, hold on. I know, I know. Another fookin' story? Please not. You Don't Care. But hey, the following is NOT a dream, NOR fiction. And it's as B&S as you can get. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There was this guy, right? (This is not your ordinary "Bu-huu, life is horrible and girls too"- crap, so hang on in there). He was majorly into this twee-shit, Little Prince etc. Now, a little more than a year ago he had a blinddate: His ex- girlfriend was using IRC while he called her this one night. And it so happened that she was talking (or is it IRCing they do via the net? oh well...) with some girl who had just found the Smiths- albums. So the boy asks his ex to fix him on a blinddate. So she does, and the next evening they meet in this small bar, the guy and the late Smiths-bloomer. What a fucking drag the girl is, the boy thinks to himself then. Cocky, been around the world and TOO proud of it, not even that special looking (the guy IS shallow). There had been some talk over the phone before they met that they'd go and see this horrible band play live in the nearby club. The guy says he has no money (and did the blinddate believe it? Hah!), so they have that funny conversation which we ALL have had: Boy: "Hey, I'll call you sometime in the near future! Promise!" Girl: "Ok." Like hell he calls her. Well, the guy goes home. And writes a textmessage to her ex- girlfriend: "THE CHICK WAS A FUCKING DRAG!" A few minutes pass, and an answer comes back (Now, this is where it gets interesting): "THERE'S A GIRL WITH A B&S-SHIRT IN HERE!" The guys ex is attending the same gig he and his blinddate were supposed to go to. The guy, seriously fucked after the worst (and first) blinddate of his life, messages her back: "WELL ASK HER IF SHE'D MEET ME TOMORROW!" A few minutes pass again, and the answer comes back: "OK, GOT HER NUMBER, YOU HAVE A DATE!" A bit freaky, uh? Well they meet the next evening, the boy not getting his hopes up too much. But, much to his surprise, the girl is ok. B&S- badges, jeans, sneakers, all that stuff. And pretty too. Although she's awfully shy and not very talkative. She tells him she had been to the Bowlie Weekender, though, which is quite cool. The evening goes well, and they both promise they'd call each other. And the guy DOES call (see, sometimes we DO phone you back) and they go to a "party" and drink some liquids. And watch South Park. "Party" because there's only him, her and the guys friend in there. But it's ok, and after that they go to a club and watch some crappy band make an ass out of themselves. As the time goes by they see each other, the guy and the blinddate- girl, more often. Move forward a year, and the guy and the girl finally get together. What happens between that period of time? You don't want to know. Let's just say that the guy has a few girlfriends but it all goes fine in the end. And the girl becomes a bit more talkative. And she also is trying to get in to the university this year to study english. And that's why I don't see her this evening. And she's reading this, so I'd better stop. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @--->--- Jake le PetitE, killing time before leaving work in about... 30 minutes. ps: It's a tad too cute for my taste, now that I read it again. Pfff. Well I don't care. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wayne_fortune at xxx.com Tue May 9 14:59:26 2000 From: wayne_fortune at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Wayne=20Fortune?=) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 06:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Edinburgh - Princes St Gardens Picnic - June 10 Message-ID: <20000509135926.28651.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> "Wayne Fortune is a cool name" Oh yes it is my real name. I don't really like it though, but after Jason's post I'm just glad I'm not girl! Ba Ba __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hewits at xxx.uk Tue May 9 15:22:39 2000 From: hewits at xxx.uk (stephen hewitt) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:22:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: This machine kills fascists Message-ID: <9188A3453EEED111BD7300805FEDEB69010D1595@park_ex> ello lovely people I think the recent spate of lovely weather has been caused by my listening to Legal Man LOTS. I'm sure that it is burning the clouds away due to it's extremely SUNNY NATURE, oh and the fact that it's got lots of "ba"s in, which always promote nice weather. All together, "baababababa babababa ba bababaa" Somebody (sorry, memory like a sieve) asked if the band would do Top of the !P!O!P!s, to which in every article i've seen it mentioned to them they've said "too bludy right we would" AND WHO CAN BLAME THEM. They might get to stand next to Daphne and Celeste (the Milli Vanilli of the 21st Century IMHO) and they can sing "you UGLI" to . I still have this weird feeling that they're going to open for oas*s at their wembley gigs in July, don't ask me why, just one of those feelings... The Glasgow "picnic" (is PUBnic a word? can it be one?) sounded like a lot of fun, although proves again that you must be a world class drinker to keep up with the glasgow mob, and good to see them getting jen off to a flying start on her boozing career. Chris and Ferris mentioned Billy Bragg and i will mention him again just to keep honey happy :) billy bragg billy bragg billy bragg I saw him do"all you fascists are bound to lose" at Glasto last year with "the blokes" and it does rock, but i think it's a woody guthrie song, but i might be wrong(??!?). Hopefully he'll be there again this year. If you're thinking of going to glasto, click on the link at the bottom of this mail Last time i posted i said: S*LL*NG O*T, Don't get me started... When what i really meant was "i'd like everyone to express what i'm thinking but in a much clearer and more expressive manner than i could ever possibly manage so I can just sit and nod and look clever" So thank you everyone for that :) xoxo CarsmileSteve mmmmm, hot and spicy cider.... http://www.egroups.com/group/siniglasto +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From m.waggner at xxx.net Tue May 9 15:28:10 2000 From: m.waggner at xxx.net (Michele Waggner) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:28:10 -0400 Subject: Sinister: RE: Woddy Guthrie/Wilco/Billy Bragg Message-ID: <002901bfb9c2$ce547a20$35aa4f0c@amstech> >I had the good luck to have seen Billy Bragg when he played the Symphony >Space in NYC about two months ago and he played strictly Guthrie music. The >show ran probably over two hours and he spoke through almost all of it about >the collaborative effort between he and Wilco and the period of American >history the music came out of. Neat stuff. He played probably ten songs >and the rest of the time was an unscripted monologue. Wow... How many other Sinisterines were there? List Mummy and Linda and I were there too ... we could have had a picnic! Maybe we need something bigger than upside down badges so we can find each other in crowds... Sinister Hats or something readily noticeable. It was nice, very different for a Billy Bragg show... he was like a sweet professor of Woody songs and music lore. (Ok, ok, I really DID keep waiting for him to pick up an electric guitar from the wings and sing "ShirrrrrrLEEEY.") I've seen Billy do the Mermaid Avenue songs a few times, both with Wilco and with the Blokes. I tend to like it better when he does it with the Blokes, but I think that's due to my taste. A lot of what he said at Symphony Space he'd said here and there before, but it was indeed neat to hear him explain the process of putting the lyrics to music. I think a lot of people did initially wonder about Nora Guthrie choosing him and,as Billy says, think it was Bob Dylan's job -- but once you hear him talk about it you do see the thread that ties Woody's background to Billy Bragg's. Anyone who has the chance to see the tour this summer should definitely do so. Twice. Thomas, are we related? My gram's maiden name was Ferris. --michele +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From burns_alan29 at xxx.com Tue May 9 15:34:35 2000 From: burns_alan29 at xxx.com (Alan Burns) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 14:34:35 GMT Subject: Sinister: Sinister things in Edinburgh Message-ID: <20000509143435.13523.qmail@hotmail.com> Okay, let's get to the bottom of this mystery right now..... "Napier University, Merchiston Campus - The Belle & Sebastian Toilet Cubicle In The Gents Up The Stairs To Your Right As You Arrive." What is the strange force that a humble convenience could exert, that B&S lyric quotes appear on its walls on a daily basis, in at least four different people's handwriting?? That's four including me today, as I finished off a line from TBWTAS that someone had left hanging in mid air. So who are the other three?? I think there ought to be 24 hour vigils to check everyone who goes in and out. The tally so far: lines from TBWTAS, today. lines from The State I Am In, today. lines from Le Pastie De La Bourgoisie, last week. (now painted over.) lines from If You're Feeling Sinister, before that. (ditto.) lines from Slow Graffitti (how apt!), before that. (ditto.) one other one that I can't remember, around the same time. Some mighty spooky things are happening. Maybe it'll all come to light at the Sinister Picnic on June 10th (I'll hopefully be there.) see yous! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sweetie_something at xxx.com Tue May 9 16:19:35 2000 From: sweetie_something at xxx.com (sweetie something) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 15:19:35 GMT Subject: Sinister: hot feet Message-ID: <20000509151936.91596.qmail@hotmail.com> sinister some irrelevant info: im sitting here in denny library coz of some reasons anyway on with the email the meetup: was super fun everyone was lovely i would list names but id feel silly coz id probably miss some out or get them wrong due to my rubbish memory cant wait till the next one edinburgh here i come... :) i paid �1 for 1/2hr net access :/ theres these kids from my school sitting behind me at a table doing work or something but talking more and one of them keeps talking about wanting a go on this machine and i can feel her reading my email *RAH* time is short so i must be off very shortly one last thing i thought id pop into #sinister here for a while but its a filtered site!!!!!! i was not chuffed! over and out somewhere else, sweetie xox ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin at xxx.uk Tue May 9 17:28:57 2000 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin Robinson) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:28:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Unfortunately, fishes are all a penguin wants In-Reply-To: <3916CDD5.793A4EA8@cs.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hello kiddies, Crikes I haven't done this for a while as I've been preoccupied with a study of the diet and mating habits of the Spheniscidae family who live next door. I hope I can still write irrelevant, witless rhetoric. Anyway, I should like to begin by giving some really quite extensive props to those members of our Glaswegian fraternity who all contributed to me having an exceedingly pleasant weekend whilst 99 miles North of the border with civilisation. Seneca once said something like we should expect little and our expectations shall not be let down, but no one could expect to have a weekend that good whilst continually in the company of Alasdair Cook surely. I doubt if we'll be welcome back in a hurry by the Cookie monster's friend(s) and relatives as the company of "the complete arse" dMatt and I has seems to have left the poor lad afflicted with Tourette's Syndrome judging by his last post. And the tradition of visitors (and I don't mean singing Sumo yokels) spewing in the company of these hardened Glaswegians weened on McEwans seems to have been broken by only a certain home player's ail??ment resulting in chunder. Anyhow, much thanks to Shearer for putting me up and everyone up there for putting up with me. Including even the barmaid who asked me if I wanted a pint of Tenant's. I've really never been so insulted. I did find it odd though to see all these Scottish pop stars wandering the streets and generally being everywhere. Next I'll be thinking they're actually human and just like me. Well not exactly like me obviously as that would be scary, except maybe if I met Morissey apparently. Hmmm... Anyway Londoners see you on the 20th on Greenwich Hill for more picnicking mayhem. I'll probably only be there for a while as I'll be wandering around for hours looking for that country bumpkin Carsmile. Cool your Wellies Mr Hewitt, it's easy to find. It's right behind the observatory at the start of Blackheath Avenue on the following map (or email me if you want me to meet you at a station and hold your hand and hamper up the hill): http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=538750&Y=177250&zoom =1 My, my I really am an uninteresting man for which I can only blame my parents for a sheltered upbringing. Anyway, must carry on as life sized paper mache Jim Rockford's don't make themselves do they? Te ra, Martin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From michael at xxx.net Tue May 9 18:23:43 2000 From: michael at xxx.net (Michael Cronshaw) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:23:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: we're stupid, we Message-ID: <00de01bfb9db$710cbda0$02000003@oemcomputer> Hello everybody peeps, Cor blimey, you leave your puta alone for a few days and whatta lotta mail builds up. I was chuffed to see that there have been some good posts recently, even some with B&S content! Twas good to hear that B&S may be being used for footie music on the radio. Twould be grate if legal man was used on match of the day for euro 2000! (sorry non-britsh residents, this won't mean anything tyu) B&S selling out? Who cares?! They've been selling out since they were born, they've always been trying, waiting for the 'right time' (e.g. the limited release of Tigermilk and the deliberately delayed re-release), building up a cult fan base, getting credible publicity/anti-publicity. It's what they studied at school. They have a masterplan. Good luck twum. Opened my window to the sun at the weekend to hear someone playing Sinister and it was good to hear other people appreciating what I appreciate - I felt a sense of community, like sinister, but wider and greater. I hope they make it big, it's what they want. And I'd like a revival of the late eighties/early nineties, when indie was popular and you could hear the music you like without going out of your way. B&S have always been on the cusp of breaking into the big time, and one day one of their publicity-with-credibility plans might work. The dancy & familiar Legal Man might be the one, with it getting airplay, being eligible for the singles chart, and with cult followers like us buying two copies. Could it make no.1 in its first week in the UK? Maybe, but it will probably drop to no.36 in its second week. Let's just hope that when it happens, fame and achievement doesn't break B&S up any further. Steps - grate. In two senses of the word. They may be freaks but that's just marketing. Whoever writes their songs comes up with choons, even if they are over-played. And that's just fine. I think B&S & Steps should release a single in the same week, there could be another Blur/Oasis-type battle! Just want to point out that Marx was not responsible for Ceaucescu. Or Stalin for that matter. Doesn't matter what the system is, these are just examples of power abuse - could have happend in any system, Marxist or not. It's just western propaganda that links the names without explaining the differences. And the 'real world' is not all about people getting burnt alive. It's not all about pain and misery. This is *part* of the real world, but the real world also contains good fings. The real world, objectively speaking, is as much about getting mugged as watching a beautiful sunset. Spending part or all of your time looking on the bright side is a good thing. Vive la sinister list and its twee subscribers! (at this point I wrote reams philosophising and justifying this view in terms of sociology, anthropology, morals and government, but deleted it as it was boring! If anyone wants to debate this point, I'll let loose) Twee - 'excessively sentimental' - isn't this a definition of romantic? I see twee as a compliment. I can tolerate the bunny-lovin faction of the twee movement, but I think it's a misconception that all twees are like that. Good to hear that Billy Bragg & Wilco have reconciled for another album of Guthrie. Billy can be excellent live, except at Glasto last year, when he played lots of Guthrie stuff and nobody seemed to know or care about it. But when everyone sings along to his songs and laughs at his between-song quips, it's a magical experience. Girls & boys - some girls are from venus, some from mars, some boys are from venus, and some from mars. We've all heard the 'I don't understand men/women' thang, and no matter what the gender, the arguments against the offending party are always the same. It's always a case of individuals having different beliefs and attitudes. I think bad experiences can lead us to generalise. But there are lots of well-matched people out there for everyone (said the single person!) With all this talk of Sebastian Bach, let's not forget Johann Sebastian Bach - if he hadn't well-tempered his clavier, there would be no B&S melodies. I hated those pieces of his before I found out that he was the first keyboard tuna. Now I think they're beautiful. And nuff Isobel jealousy already. Anyway, that's my opinions. Laters innit. Mikey.x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Tue May 9 19:57:55 2000 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:57:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Get Out Of The Offiice And Beyond The Sunrise Message-ID: <000101bfb9e8$fba97040$a25601d5@default> Hello Again Or, The June Select is peppered with B&S references. (Illegitimates!) Sinister FC appear in the ATP photos (inside front cover), Legal Man & Geometrid get reviewed, 2000 Troubled Teenagers is bigged up (better order your guaranteed entry passes*), & Stevie speaks about the single: (WARNING: mention of not yet released Belle and Sebastian material follows!) "We recorded it as part of the sessions for the new album about a year ago, but it was never intended to go on there. 'Legal Man' is quite a straight title, the lyrics are kind of legal-speak. As to 'Judy Is A Dick Slap'... it fitted. I don't know if she's the same Judy from 'Judy And The Dream Of Horses'. 'Winter Wooskie' was written by Stuart David, who's not actually in the band any more. It's about his wife. Maybe Wooskie is his pet name for her. Are we hoping for a summer hit? Yeah, God, hope so! This idea that we're doing the three-track format in order to be eligible for the charts - apart from 'This Is Just A Modern Rock Song', all the previous EP's _were_ . They _all_ got in the charts. Would we do "Top Of The Pops"? Like a shot! Of course! Who wouldn't? Why else would you want to be in a band? Ach, y'know, if you're bound to everyone's expectations you might as well give up. Every EP we wanted to be a hit. Have we sold out? Maybe if we keep getting offers for adverts one day we'll crack; everyone's got a price. People are always asking to use tracks - I can't say which ones - and offering vast sums of money. I'd be quite into _writing_ music for an advert - that'd be quite interesting - but you can't stake your reputation on a chocolate bar." Hmmmm, seems like Mick's not the only one who's been reading the list recently. (*send an SAE to Teenage Troubles, 12 Deloraine House, LONDON SE8 4PY & state how many you require. Maximum 4 per SAE) Love, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Tue May 9 17:52:52 2000 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:52:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I see a little sillou, sillyou, sillaut, *outline* of a man.... References: <20000509135926.28651.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00bf01bfb9d7$8cff1de0$2492183e@default> Hi souper troupers I felt Wayne's post may need ratified.... Wayne is glad he's not a girl because of the following reason: I used to know a girl called Wayne. Yes, really. Wayne. She changed it as soon as she was old enough, and never did forgive her parents for calling her that. Speaking of girls, I have a new crush vote. Who are you, mysterious stranger? Let me know your name.... I'm kind of shocked, actually, because I didn't think any sinister gal would like a guy who doesn't like pubs all that much Pamela "Toffeecrisp" Tait announced: >You know how you get these sad gits who lack confidence I happen to *be* one of those "sad gits" who lacks confidence, and I know a load of folk who are the same. I may not wear hawaiian shirts, but it's not fair to label shy guys as sad. *hides behind listmummy's skirts and peeps out* Jen "now officially alcoholic" Owl defined twee: >I think twee is just being kind and nice, and not always hitting back, and >trying to help people even if they're bad to you, and being quite sensitive, >and being gentle and a bit of a wuss, but knowing when to stand up and fight >at the right times. But maybe I'm completely wrong, or something. I think she's hit the nail on the head here. (as opposed to hitting the bully on the nose, eh Jen?) I realise that, because I feel this description is true, then my middle name must henceforth be Twee, cos that entire description is me, especially the 'help people if they're bad to you' part. Alan "Toilet Lurker" Burns spoke of graffitti of a B&S naitchoor: Well, I have occasionally stuck a nice wee (no pun intended) "We Rule The School" or sometimes a "Get me away from here, I'm dying" on the toilet doors in the Glasgow Art School. Graffitti is fun, especially when you're scribbling all over a friend's jotter/folder/whatever with meaningless nonsence. I'm going to miss *that* part of school/college.... Stephen Smileycars: >you must be a world class drinker to keep up with the glasgow mob I should probably leave now, eh? Is there *anyone* else on the list who doesn't drink?!? At all!?!? I must admit that the word PUBnic has a good ring to it though. Just remove the 'n' and we have possibilities. Would you come to a Glasgow Sinister Pubic? I now await an e-mail from JenOwl asking what a pubic is. Honestly, I feel like I'm corrupting the poor girl's mind. First dildoes, then a 'bushy bowl' and now this. *exaggerated sigh* (I'm only kidding, Jen, don't worry. Those big cute eyes have nothing to worry about ) *quick plea* What/where is "2000 Troubled Teenagers?" *now some material of my own* Where'd you all go? Seriously now... I think Legal Man is faboo, which is about as fab as you can get :) For those of you who haven't heard it yet, *please* seek out Dirge by Death In Vegas (the original one, not Dirge #2 - which got released last week). It's soooo haunting and powerful. I have managed to pay all my debt off (yes, all £850 of it) but the flipside of this is that I only have about £200 left to live until July - when I start job-hunting. £72 of that is my TinP ticket, and another £50ish will probably be spent on presents for other people (I started at the picnic, buying a signed poster as a pressie for someone). Savings? With *my* reputation? If anyone is starting a Social Sciences course next year, I have a few (virtually unused) textbooks for sale, if you want to know more, gimmie an e-mail (jasonandreas at breathemail.net) I'll shut up now, cos you're all bored. Tickles, --Jason Andreas Silent whispers in my head, Never heard but always said. ICQ: 45821217 ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Fortune To: Sent: 09 May 2000 14:59 Subject: Re: Sinister: Edinburgh - Princes St Gardens Picnic - June 10 > "Wayne Fortune is a cool name" > > Oh yes it is my real name. I don't really like it > though, but after Jason's post I'm just glad I'm not > girl! > > Ba Ba > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ > +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com Tue May 9 10:04:15 2000 From: jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com (Harry Hunt) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:04:15 +1200 Subject: Sinister: Banal, but wit da B&S content ting. Message-ID: <20000509201120.4979.qmail@hotmail.com> How come NO-ONE when questioned lists You're just a baby, as their favourite B&S track? It's a delight. I don't rate the new Looper anywhere near the eponymous, and hats firmly ON to the David rabble for marking the spine "Looper", giving no indication to the album's name. I know what you're thinking, that's silly. Actually, you're more likely to be thinking "I'm glad I deleted that mail from Harry before it bored my twee TITS off" But I digress. York folk. I will be organising festivities for Saturday, which happens to be my 21st. All welcome, if you're going to be free and easy in York on that day, get in touch. Aren't I the reptilic list abuser? Love Harry +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com Tue May 9 10:07:19 2000 From: jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com (Harry Hunt) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:07:19 +1200 Subject: Sinister: On being a fool. Message-ID: <20000509201418.54879.qmail@hotmail.com> The first Looper album wasn't eponymous at all, was it? I'll get me duffle coat. Harry +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Coldcolours at xxx.com Tue May 9 21:48:16 2000 From: Coldcolours at xxx.com (Coldcolours at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 16:48:16 EDT Subject: Sinister: But if you are feeling like Orson Welles (go off and see your psychiatrist) Message-ID: Hey Kids, I wanted to share an idea I had, which you may find interesting. A few days ago, a friend and I were walking around Boston, and we came across a film crew shooting a movie. For those of you who have never seen a movie being filmed, it's a tedious affair, with lots of waiting and general milling about. But we decided to sit around for an hour or two, so if Brad Pitt or someone came out we could throw jelly beans at them. (We had a lot of time to waste and a lot of jellybeans.) So we sat around, and I wondered if, had I a boombox and a tape of Legal Man, and I should play it for the director, he would fall in love with it and say "this would be perfect in my movie!!" Which then led to me lamenting the greivous lack of B+S in most movies (besides High Fidelity, of course.). But, instead of sitting around thinking "Belle and Sebastian is better than everyone, why don't people put them in every movie?" I thought, "Why don't *we* make a movie with Belle and Sebastian as the whole soundtrack?" Think about it. The Sinister magnum opus. It could be epic, with a cast of thousands. We could proudly display B+S to the whole world for an hour and a half. We could show all the kids who think we're a bunch of field mice in tiny feety pajamas just how hard and straight and cool we really are. So now all we need is a script, someone with a camera, all the technical movie things. You guys are brilliant, creative, daring people; how about it? Well, it was just a suggestion. :) Til the stars align... joanna "Where was I five years ago? Well, I was here...but I didn't have this coat." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alexander.bartilson at xxx.com Tue May 9 13:05:28 2000 From: alexander.bartilson at xxx.com (Alexander Bartilson) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:05:28 +0200 Subject: Sinister: 12 days left (till the release of Legal Man) Message-ID: <000201bfb9f8$1daf02e0$01727180@alex> Hi, yesterday on the Swedish Public Service radio I heard a track from the new album. It was "Don't leave the light on baby" and it was really great. The radiohost said that she had met Stevie Jackson last Thursday, which is the day after the B&S Q&A, and that he had a terrible hangover, his face was all red. Before the Q&A he was so nervous that he had drunk a lot of gin & tonic. The radiohost also said that B&S probably will play in Sweden, but that it wasn't clear when. There will also be an interview with B&S (probalbly only Stevie) on the radio, soon. Today I also heard Legal Man. It was great too. ///Alexander PS. I will soon give you a comment on the Jeepster special on Swedish radio some weeks ago DS. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alexander.bartilson at xxx.com Tue May 9 22:39:20 2000 From: alexander.bartilson at xxx.com (Alexander Bartilson) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 23:39:20 +0200 Subject: Sinister: the wrong girl...no, not you! Message-ID: <007601bfb9ff$094fffa0$01727180@alex> Just heard (or read) The video to "the wrong girl" is supposed to be finished next week. Normal Blake from Teenage Fanclub plays a small role in it. He plays Stevie Jackson's father. Just so you know. ///Alexander +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Coldcolours at xxx.com Tue May 9 22:44:40 2000 From: Coldcolours at xxx.com (Coldcolours at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:44:40 EDT Subject: Sinister: "I was a Teenage Legal Man"? Message-ID: Hello, Sorry to keep harping on about this, but in the movie I would like to claim the role of either: A. The wise but alcoholic dance coach or B. The small, left-handed child who has climbed up on a stack of boxes filled with highly-flammable sleepwear. We still need someone to play the part of the frustrated bureaucrat who dreams about large South American countries, and someone to do the voice of the hero's sidekick, who happens to be a talking strawberry pie (or for the foreign markets, a talking jaffa cake). Claim the role you were born to play! Um, is anyone amused by this at all? I'm sorry. feeling terribly insecure joanna +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From splash at xxx.uk Tue May 9 22:06:56 2000 From: splash at xxx.uk (Splash) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:06:56 +0100 Subject: Sinister: an invite to debauchery ago go - warning LIST ABUSE! Message-ID: <004b01bfb9fa$88167940$625b883e@monkeymachine> Hi there - a merest second posting from humble me. I know a lot of you are all going to the London picnic on May 20th, but if anyone in the York/Leeds area is planning on not doing much and has the day/night free I'd like to take this opportunity to invite all y'asses to my 21st birthday do. It'll be grate/great with music both live and vinyl etc etc.... anyway, do be in touch. i don't bite etc etc and other things your scary granny says... laters love Splash xo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wilska at xxx.net Tue May 9 23:25:25 2000 From: wilska at xxx.net (Emily Wilska) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 15:25:25 -0700 Subject: Sinister: so I am glad Message-ID: <15AAE0EBDCC9D1119FFA00805F85642E04FBCCC1@WNI-MSG-02> Friends, Romans, Countrypeeps: I promised in my last post that, having nattered on for a few paragraphs, I would resume my status as a lurker. It was a horrid lie, I tell you. Ian C. was fab enough not only to mention Dave Eggers, but indeed to post his words on selloutdom. And Dave Eggers is fab enough to admit to digging cash and attention and accolades without wallowing in guilt and without being apologetic for either what he's done or what he's chosen. This means that a.) you all really should visit www.mcsweeneys.net, because it features lots of trenchant and witty and sometimes just bizarre writing; and b.) perhaps the debate over selling out should please god please just die now. (I write this knowing full damn well that I am fanning the flames of the very fire I'm trying to extinguish. Carry on.) Yes. I may take this all back the day I walk into my local taqueria and see Belle & Sebastian Chupa Chups (tm), but in the meantime, I stand my ground and cover my ears and swear to scroll through all future posts in which the words "sell" and "out" appear in close proximity. Stopping now. Woo hoo! Mermaid Avenue Part Deux. Very exciting. I am fascinated by the idea of words and music being created so separately yet working so well together. Every time I hear *Eisler On the Go*, I think, Woody Guthrie could not possibly have intended that song to be so slow and mournful. But it's absolutely brilliant, stunning, haunting--and I don't think I'd want it any other way. Not that it's all about me. Not always, at least. The trees outside my window--coquettish, coquettish things--look just lovely in the sunshine of a California afternoon. I think I shall grab a few Swedish oat cakes (mmmmm--Ikea) and go join them for a while. You're all welcome along, too. Not making any more promises I can't keep, Emily +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samwaltonyeah at xxx.com Tue May 9 23:30:57 2000 From: samwaltonyeah at xxx.com (Sam Walton) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 22:30:57 GMT Subject: Sinister: for london listees only. Message-ID: <20000509223057.17575.qmail@hotmail.com> Hiya all. Can anybody give a young boy any info about the Sinister meet-up in London. I think I heard it was in Greenwich? Can anyone come? What do we bring? etc. thank you love, Sam.x ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Wed May 10 00:05:07 2000 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 16:05:07 PDT Subject: Sinister: Sinister uniforms: a debate Message-ID: <20000509230507.35632.qmail@hotmail.com> This is interesting to hear all these twee definitions,before this list,I'd never actually even heard of 'twee' but then,I must confess,I always thought it was about kittens and stuff.I think it's because of TweeKitten records..word association you know.Just like when one hears the word "struan" they think: "powerful hunk of man" But I must ask you,when Isobel talks like a 8 year old,is that what one calls being 'twee' or is that just 'annoying'.Oh Gen,lighten up. But then again..the world holds no cuteness for me...I sit in darkened corners with my sunglasses on.And when I see those bunnies jumping merrily in the fields..and..I want to..step on them.No,not really.I once owned two bunnies,but one froze to death and one ran away so now I am slightly embittered.What if Struan wore pink pjs with the little bum flap exposed.Random mental picture. according to dictionary,twee is: "Overly precious or nice." "affectedly dainty or refined" "dainty, mincing, niminy-piminy,prim" sweet brenda wrote: some kind soul PLEASE mail me a list of the members of Belle and Sebastian cos i'm all at sea about it and never know what the hell ya'll are banging on about? like who the hell is "struan"? and is that really even a name? sorry but NO! oh, and why does everyone hate isobel so much? jealous or what? or is her butt too huge? I really don't know who started the name Struan,who did???..but I've adopted it.'Stuart' doesn't sit well on my tongue anymore. So this idea of Sinister uniforms? I'm going to have to disagree with Erica,even though I'm very jealous of her wardrobe and I want her silver ballet shoes.(And her chalet experiences,cough cough)I don't think we should go all military style,its too boxy,too restricting!I don't like shoulder pads.They make me look like a bridge troll. People need to flow free.Instead,the boys can wear skirts and go commando.And no shirts.Think how natural you'll feel.Wheeee.Catching the breezes.Just like when Sister Disco dreamed this up... "Does that mean he wasn't wearing underpants? If not, did his goolies fall out when he put his foot up on the "white traffic bollard"? No wonder Mister Jones was taken aback...." (Sister Disco,April 1999) And the girls can wear hotpants and tight t-shirts,with some sort of clever slogan on the front.I'm sorry,I blame this all on the alluring Velocity..she's got me all a titter with talk of girl Sinister FC taking on the boys.Girl-champion alias Hon-champ-ey might even be persuaded to join,but only if she gets to serve lemonade to the bruised and aching Boy-Players and wear a specially made pink skirt (that flares delicately around the hips) and doesn't get the ball passed to her.She's a bit of a niminy-piminy.So yes,girls,at the next picnic,don't just sit when the boys play football,get out there and...do rude and distracting things.Make out with each other.Oh,and since Struan is sensitive and has the soul of a girl,he will be on the girl's team. Sinister Hat..yes,I want one.Can it be a grand one like they wear at the horse races? Or I want one with a fishnet veil,and I can wear black lipstick and be dark,like my soul. yours,in hotpants, genevieve xo p.s I didn't go to that Billy Bragg concert,but Billy Bragg once bought my older brother a beer because he "supports the young soliders" just thought i'd share... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Wed May 10 07:01:24 2000 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 23:01:24 PDT Subject: Sinister: vote for 666 Message-ID: <20000510060124.87884.qmail@hotmail.com> Just a reminder: http://www.bspoll.freeservers.com/ Yes, my B&S-poll DOES seems to work. 11 votes so far, I need more. You lot, on to the virtual votingbooth you go! @--->--- JAke le PEtitE ps: I normally write longer posts. Aren't these annoying? Just a hint... pps: Please do vote. ppps: Coffee. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From babychriscrystalballs at xxx.com Wed May 10 10:03:23 2000 From: babychriscrystalballs at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?BabyChris=20Crystalballs?=) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 02:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: smicknik. au revoir, cheerio...... Message-ID: <20000510090323.17662.qmail@web1401.mail.yahoo.com> This is probly my final mail. I might mail tomorrow. it might be too painful. I thought about a really pretentious end to this mail (I hear that the list has one massive pretentious tosser - see papercuts 'top 3 of the millenium', and someone will stand out, I assure you...) The picnic was interesting. I didn't go to the pub. I went home after stealing some of jason's fantastic sweety supply. and sweetie supply. they kept staring at me when I was in george swuare bfore they said hello, and they were damn frighting. I found the people quite normal. except the lunatic with the rugrats socks and giant towel. and ow(HUGHGRANT)en reminds me of someone. I've been inspired to do 2 things. 1) - give up alchohol. 2) - get a haircut. the new album...... well, I only heard it once, so I can't really judge it yet......... but I liked belles song....It all sounded a bit odd, but that could have been due to the *quality* of the picnics makeshift stereo (my personal stereo, and jens speakers...) the word 'SHITESOUNDQUALITY' comes to mind. I wanted to get drunk too. but I learnt to play the lonlyness.... and am intent on getting it into my (temporary) bands set.... heck, after king tuts, If I actually do play (they threatened to throw me out, due to my non-appreciation of liam gallagchers swagger) I'm going to announce myu retirement at the end. then get a decent band who don't thing that the world rebvolves aropund brit - rock/pop from 1995-1998. has anyonw noticed that amERICA IS five months behind everyone else? I'm scared once again, about life and having no plans whatsoever. except for to go to the edinburugh picnic. and pop down to london sometime, and say hello. I hear that you have a scene down there, while ally or someone agreed with me that in glasgow its just mostly normasl people who like the music..... as opposed to sequin studded TWEE folk. It no secret that I don't like twee. if twee is being an adult who chases butterflies in fields, and makes daisy chains, to seem childish and inocent, then I don't like it. If, however, it is someone who is genuinely innocent, and a bit naive, then fine, and I thought jens summation of it was quite good. anyway. I have to go. thanks people for the GRRRREEEEAATTT year and a half. some advice people have given me has been helpful, and kind. and thanks. bye. signing off, possibly 4 the last time. chris. ps. - sweeties real name is (evil cackle)... ===========message truncated=========== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From secretmysterydate at xxx.com Wed May 10 11:00:04 2000 From: secretmysterydate at xxx.com (brand new shoes) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 06:00:04 EDT Subject: Sinister: quick promo Message-ID: <20000510100004.66680.qmail@hotmail.com> okay, quickly: anyone is listening distance of WRCT radio, or internet radio (if they have it) should catch me and Kitty Pryde Thursday night from 9-10 pm this is pittsburgh related, so those who can hear it, tune in. 88.3 fm thanks, love sam ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From m.hester at xxx.uk Wed May 10 12:30:11 2000 From: m.hester at xxx.uk (Hester, Mark (ELS)) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:30:11 +0100 Subject: Sinister: for london listees only. Message-ID: Dear all (but especially Sam), "Of course London's a big place. It's a very big place, Mr Shadrack. A man could lose himself in London. Lose himself. Lose himself. Lose himself in London!", but I don't really think that it merits two picnics on the same day in two different places. Much as I love Greenwich and the opportunity to stand in both eastern and western hemisphere simultaneously, we heard from Mark Casarotto that the picnic was going to be at Primrose Hill, which is grate, because I've never been there before. I know it's really close to Regents Park and the zoo tho', and I've been there lots of times, speshly when I was really small. As for what to bring, I was thinking of wine. And tortilla chips. Not sure what else. Time to disappear in a puff of smoke, The Grandpont Genie. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From louisedavies at xxx.com Wed May 10 14:10:01 2000 From: louisedavies at xxx.com (louise davies) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 06:10:01 -0700 Subject: Sinister: B&S interview on radio 1 Message-ID: Just to let you know (and someone else probably already has) that there'll be a phone interview with B&S on tonite's evening session. Also, for any Brighton listees a B&S night including tracks from the new album is happening at 'Mad For It', Tavern Club, North St. on Thursday May 18th, 10 - 2. Cheers, Louise *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. http://www.chickshops.com boutique shopping from chickclick.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From idleberry at xxx.com Wed May 10 14:31:28 2000 From: idleberry at xxx.com (idle berry) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 06:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: uhhhhhhhhhh Message-ID: <20000510133128.11653.qmail@web615.mail.yahoo.com> hello all, well, heres a bit of fun. Been busy with essays and the like, and then Monday, just as I was planning to get stuck into some more coursework, something flu like has come along and beaten me senseless. And last night I couldn't sleep cos I couldn't stop coughing. So I had to call the doctor who came with the medicine, to help me feel better, and it was okay, cos it tasted sweet like raspberries. And I slept for a bit. I slept right through my flatmates usual noisy mornings. And I've lost my glasses, and my cash card and I think my sanity and brain as well. So insurance it is. And I'm really feeling annoyed and sorry for myself. I don't need this, only weeks before exam time. uhhh. All sympathies will be grately received. ===== http://www.geocities.com/idleberry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From idleberry at xxx.com Wed May 10 14:44:47 2000 From: idleberry at xxx.com (idle berry) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 06:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: only if you're good. Message-ID: <20000510134447.13279.qmail@web615.mail.yahoo.com> if I can, I'll try and make it to embra for the princes street thing. I'll bring my flu with me too, shall I? although, I hope that by next month it will have flu-d away. Heheheheheh...ahem. And don't forget to bring nuts for the squirrels. By the way, what if it rains? And where in the gardens you planning on meeting? And whose job is it to bring the jaffa cakes? Is it just gonna be a MacDonalds in the gardens? And what if theres wasps? cheers Idleberry ===== http://www.geocities.com/idleberry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From DKerr at xxx.uk Wed May 10 15:30:16 2000 From: DKerr at xxx.uk (Kerr, David) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:30:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: T in the Park Meet Up Message-ID: <6062D80787FBD3118E4100104B92F49E058065@MAILSERVER> Alrighty Listees This is only about my third post since I tunnelled out from the nursery a few weeks back. At the moment I still have over 30 unread emails from the list in my folder. The reason that I am writing now is that I have come across a few T in the Parkers' who are interested in meeting up. Sounds like an absolutely fantabulous idea. Are there a lot of people on the list going to T in the Park this year? If you have never been I HIGHLY recommend it. I have only been the past three years but each year it gets better and better and I get more pissed than ever. What I think we should do is meet up before we pitch the tents so that we have our own little B&S Sinister camp site. It's a real shame that B&S aren't playing this year but we can still hope. Just over two months away so lets keep our fingers crossed. Before I go I just want to send out my deepest sympathies to Idle Berry who is feeling a bit shitty just now. Just go for a few pints and you'll feel a lot better!! Peace Out Davie Kerr Greenock, Scotland +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jaffa_cakes at xxx.com Wed May 10 15:33:59 2000 From: jaffa_cakes at xxx.com (Pamela Tait) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: And then I woke up... Message-ID: <20666065.957969240341.JavaMail.imail@slippery> Me again. The after effects of Camel fags are still with me. New word: Fream. It means 'dream' but in a sorta drunk, speed chatting kinda way. Anyway my latest freaky fream was this: There was this *creature* and it was a *white* crow crossed with a ferret. It had fur and feathers. Anyway, it attacked me and, since I have a fear of birds, I shit my knickers. Naturally. It had teeth inside its beak and clamped its jaws round my arm. When i went to yank it off my arm, I pressed its jaws and they turned into those little crocodile clips you use in science labs. It's wings were flapping and fur flew. Then it's face went a grassy green colour and it vanished. Anyone had a similar fream? Hmm, better still, anyone ever freamed about The Judderman? Now, that's scary shit.... Ooooo, need a pint. Pamela The Toffeecrisp xxx ...................................................... I AM OBSESSED WITH BOTTLE GREEN MINI COOPERS. FEAR ME.. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jaffa_cakes at xxx.com Wed May 10 15:46:33 2000 From: jaffa_cakes at xxx.com (Pamela Tait) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: And then I woke up... Message-ID: <13646311.957969994201.JavaMail.imail@slippery> Me again. The after effects of Camel fags are still with me. New word: Fream. It means 'dream' but in a sorta drunk, speed chatting kinda way. Anyway my latest freaky fream was this: There was this *creature* and it was a *white* crow crossed with a ferret. It had fur and feathers. Anyway, it attacked me and, since I have a fear of birds, I shit my knickers. Naturally. It had teeth inside its beak and clamped its jaws round my arm. When i went to yank it off my arm, I pressed its jaws and they turned into those little crocodile clips you use in science labs. It's wings were flapping and fur flew. Then it's face went a grassy green colour and it vanished. Anyone had a similar fream? Hmm, better still, anyone ever freamed about The Judderman? Now, that's scary shit.... Ooooo, need a pint. Pamela The Toffeecrisp xxx ...................................................... I AM OBSESSED WITH BOTTLE GREEN MINI COOPERS. FEAR ME.. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Wed May 10 15:20:09 2000 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:20:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: pick knickers! Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E22DB3B3A@SERVER1> Perhaps someone has already clarified things re the London picnic on the 20th. If not: Mark, the one and only picnic will be in Greenwich, not Primrose Hill. This is because the great majority of picnickers will be going on to 2000 troubled teenagers, which (I believe) is in New Cross, i.e. very close to Greenwich and bloody miles from Primrose Hill. This is, incidentally, far more inconvenient for me personally, but it does make sense. I hope everyone can still make it. I don't want to give any further details now in case I get them wrong too, but please, ANYONE who wants to come really really should - even the shyest of the twee (a terrifying thought) will feel happy and welcome when the Pringles, pork pies and pale ales (erm...) a-plenty start being consumed... And the further you travel to come, the more people will be delighted to see you. We're even grudgingly allowing Ally Cook to present us with his grace. Ooh, one other thing - at the picnics we tend to have more crisps, sweets and chocolates than we know what to do with, while real, main course type food tends to be in short supply. If you make some sandwiches or bagels or, heaven forbid, bring a camping stove, you're bound to get a big wet kiss from Ally/Erica*, depending on your preference. For those of you into your footie, there are pubs nearby if you really need your fix that afternoon. But the footie to be played will be a million times more fun than watching poncey, overpaid pansies parade around a pitch (though if certain as-yet-unnamed people are playing, you'll get that as well, boom boom), so join the Sinister FC massive - the stars of Bowlie and ATP started with jumpers for goalposts too, you know. Moving on...certain ancient people with long memories would probably suggest that I don't get into this, but BabyChris' comments about the Cool Set in London (forgive the paraphrase) seem a bit tetchy and far from the truth. It's very hard to have a clique with so many people, Chris - I'd hope you'd be able to find all of us who meet up down here just as friendly as elsewhere. Just as the Glasgow listees who I've met have been to me. In any case, try it before you make such judgements, please. Actually, re-reading what Chris meant, I'm going to rant a bit more.. A "scene"? Quoi? And the implication that we're not "normal people who like the music" - how on earth do you think we found each other? And TWEE in capital letters? It's laughable to suggest we're somehow more pretentious or fake than you. And plain wrong. Sinister is meant to bring us together, and does an impossibly good job of it. There's no need to try and create some kind of division which simply doesn't exist. Especially in your valedictory post. 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To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Wed May 10 16:05:14 2000 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:05:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: a little plea about the London picnic... Message-ID: <002301bfba91$32131980$7c93183e@default> Hi all. I *might* (assuming I can cancel another thingie) be able to make the London picnic. I was just wondering if some kindly soul would be willing to put me up for the night, cos that's about the only way I'll be able to manage. If there is such a saint out there, please mail me at jasonandreas at breathemail.net with thanks.. --Jason Andreas Silent whispers in my head, Never heard but always said. ICQ: 45821217 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lucy.alder at xxx.uk Wed May 10 16:54:23 2000 From: lucy.alder at xxx.uk (Alder, Lucy) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:54:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: When I am king, dilly dilly, you can be queen Message-ID: <1EC8C16BC185D311ACB90008C7C563F33533EE@gblon1c3ex1.wcom.co.uk> Blimey, that lovebug business was a bit nasty. Work closed down our email and internet for two whole days last week - shudders! I don't know how I coped. I got a lovely little flyer for 2000 troubled teenagers in the post yesterday. It's got some grubby urchins on the front and the one in the middle bears an uncanny resemblence to Nick Dastoor. Speaking of which, he enquired thus: >>Was Isobel's biker jacket made out of little foxes? What a fantastic guess! Yes, indeed, it was made of little foxes. But did you know that her slippers had real bunnies' heads on them too? With blood dripping from their eyes? I'd heard she was a shoe fetishist but these would make Imelda Marcos green with envy. I wish I'd asked where she got them from. Billy Bragg was on telly the other night. It was a programme called New Labour On Trial and he was having a big argument with a politician. I'm ashamed to say I only switched over and caught the last minute or so, but he looked mighty het up. He was red in the face and almost crying. Billy Bragg - he cares. It's funny how he seems to be invited to take part in political programmes more and more these days. I can't remember it happening 10 years ago, although maybe one of the Braggarts on the list will put me right. My friend has done a terrible thing. She sent me a present and I'm sure her intentions were good, but it's turned me into a girl on a mission, which is not pretty. Every evening, I make my way straight to the newsagent and procure ten packets of... Panini Euro 2000 stickers to fill the book she sent me. Really, I should have finished this phase many years ago, but God! It's addictive! I already have a big pile of swopsies and am looking for swoppees. Is anyone else collecting or am I the only poor sad loser around these parts? Postal swops are most definitely acceptable. Look, I'm desperate, right? Ahem. What HAS the doctor prescribed Jason Andreas? These days, he seems to and like some mad old loony. Or perhaps he's in lurve? Completely unable to decide what to wear to the picnic... Juicy Lucy Beeee-eeeeen, I posted your tape this morning, honest I did. I even got you a brand new jiffy! -- This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.org Wed May 10 17:39:21 2000 From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:39:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: please read In-Reply-To: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E22DB3B3A@SERVER1> Message-ID: Forgive me, an impatient mail. Mark, on "Baby" Chris: > Moving on...certain ancient people with long memories would probably suggest > that I don't get into this, but BabyChris' comments about the Cool Set in > London (forgive the paraphrase) seem a bit tetchy and far from the truth. > > ... > Sinister is meant to bring us together, and does an impossibly good job of > it. There's no need to try and create some kind of division which simply > doesn't exist. Especially in your valedictory post. And about Americans. And about someone he doesn't like who took the time to contribute to Papercuts. And about someone whose face he didn't like at the picnic. Chris is no longer with us, I helped him along in unsubscribing. I'm afraid this may be a lack of patience on my part, but the sort of posts that say "bye bye I'm leaving, and by the way, most of you are wankers" really gets to me; people only get so much rope. Who read all of yesterday's 30 posts to the list? How many of the people who posted have read all those before? How many of those who posted really thought all 1300 people really wanted to read what they said? How many of those people decided to wait before posting, to see if they had a few things they could send at once later on to make things more digestible for the other 1299 who were about to receive their mails? These questions aren't a dig at anyone, they're not quite rhetorical. Some of the mails as always were delicious. But if you're posting and don't care less, then you're going to feel a hand on your shoulder soon I'm afraid. Or everything will just go very quiet for you, more likely, because I haven't time to enter into debate. You all know the score, I've bored you all to tears with it before, and most of you are incredibly patient putting up with my nagging, and careful about what you send; it's the few who don't. I do find that by and large people can tell who cares and who doesn't, and if it's obvious someone doesn't, or hasn't read this mail, or doesn't care what's in it, I might have to do something drastic, because I just don't have the time to run this *and* send these mails. Remember this list isn't affiliated to anyone, isn't paid for by any organisation, doesn't have anything to do with Jeepster or the band, is just a place you all come to meet: You Get The List You Make. If you're on this list just to get an audience for your own thoughts on life, or breakfast, I'm afraid you don't belong. If a mail took you less than 15 minutes to write, then maybe you should think before sending it: it probably means you just want something, and to get something, you usually have to give something too. If you're not reading what others are posting because it's all too much, then you have no business posting. If you find this hard to understand, or unreasonable, please give a thought to what how many of those other posts you just can't get through would be there if they'd followed this rule. And if you plain don't like the kind of environment that expects this, then there are plenty of other mailing lists that don't have to worry about such niceties that you could go to: it's just, they aren't usually so big or long-lived. But you might be happier there, or you can go and make your own lists, it's what the Internet's for. But I'm mum here. Sinister has been a special very place, to me as much as anyone, and I'm just here to do a bit of weeding, which is what this rather impatient mail is about: knowing what the majority of you want, because you tell me, and trying to keep it that way. If I'm getting it wrong, please do mail me about it, but let's not discuss it on the list: that way lies list conflagration. For nearly three years Sinister has trundled along more or less merrily, and I'd like to see it through for at least another, if we can avoid falling into the holes most mailing lists trip up in and die. This mail did take me more than 15 minutes to write, and I feel a bit of a toad sending it. I suspect it's not going to win me any list crushes. I *really* hate sending these mails, and afterwards I worry like mad. It's just, I really love this list. Grrrrrrrr, Honey +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Wed May 10 17:41:28 2000 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:41:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Soon,at every UK newsagents In-Reply-To: <1EC8C16BC185D311ACB90008C7C563F33533EE@gblon1c3ex1.wcom.co.uk> Message-ID: Luscious Lucy has prompted me again to pack something into your mailboxes,so she is the one to blame if you dislike this.I have decided lately to rely more and more on the destiny's arms, the inmorality of publicity and the declive of the educative system as responsibles for my failures and mistakes in life.Responsability is over... Right after the selling-out trend has become old-fashioned,different messages,including hers,seem actually a sort of catalogue for brisk marketing junior assistants ready to decypher what the market demands nowadays.It won't be long,if there is any of them crouching in Lurkerdom,that Belle and Sebastian twee,girlie collectable stickers and albums ad-hoc would be ready at any self-respecting cornershop in the country,together with assorted jellies in the shape of green Isobel's heads and pink Struan's bare torsos, probably some range of lollipops should become available too,anything else?Lucy would not have troubles to do her swappings at the coffee break,everybody would be rushing to get one copy to start the game.Go figure,Pokemon! Not to talk about the infinite possibilities suggested by the UNIFORM's followers.Hot pants in dark green with a smart pattern of golden B&S's printed all over in Louis Vuitton/Loewe style for the most sophisticated, Miss Selfridge's version of 'the Foxy jacket', or socks with little buses and trams. Sure these commercial operations would provide the needed boost into this household name to support the fanciful footwear shopping.When will we find 'I' at the newsagent? I reckon there will be some foxes featured in the first cover. Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris_t_opher at xxx.com Wed May 10 18:18:58 2000 From: chris_t_opher at xxx.com (Chris_t_opher) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:18:58 +0100 (GMT/BST) Subject: Sinister: Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:14:39 +0100 References: <200005090824.JAA01386@missprint.org> Message-ID: <002001bfbaa3$bb4ec340$b39401d5@gsh> hello twee-ones im listening to a Papa M track right now called 'i am not lonely with cricket' and it has just got to a frequency that is making me shiver. and i cant stop it either. and, seeing as there's another 5 minutes of this track to go, you may just like to know that im writing this shiveringly. if you ever need to find a frequency that goes through your whole body and is quite unrelentless, get Papa M's Live from a Shark Cage, put track 8 on and sit back. you'll be amazed what it can do for your state of mind. JenOwl's last post was lovely. it's probably the sweetest thing i've read in months. she said: > I think twee is just being kind and nice, and not always hitting back, and > trying to help people even if they're bad to you, and being quite sensitive, > and being gentle and a bit of a wuss, but knowing when to stand up and fight > at the right times. But maybe I'm completely wrong, or something. and i more or less agree with the content but i agree more with the way she said it. tweeness is basically being able to see tweeness as a good thing and not see anything negative about being twee. im with the twee one on this! im going to stop there for now. the only other thing i'll say is that over the last few weeks, i've been twee with spiders and clouds. and, occasionally, rain. yours, chris_t_opher (have my first exam in 13 days, so wish me luck and send me financial support (for the drugs i plan to consume afterwards)) "i don't get emotional. i'm annoyingly calm and i'm an irritating bastard. i would loathe me" - Moby +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. 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Name: not available URL: From seilsd at xxx.net Wed May 10 21:34:51 2000 From: seilsd at xxx.net (Damon Seils) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: enforcement action... yes, action Message-ID: <384245130.957990891767.JavaMail.root@web30.pub01> ----------------------------------------- SINISTER BUREAU OF ENFORCEMENT Division of Body Parts ----------------------------------------- CITATION # A-4137600-1 DATE Tue 9 May 2000 21:04:15 +1200 NAME Harry Hunt ID # jamesmcsuperman at hotmail.com POST Banal, but wit da B&S content ting VIOLATION Sinister Administrative Code (SAC) 0001 "mention any part of your body in a mail to the list" SAC-0001 BODY PART ---> "twee TITS" Within 30 days of the issuance of this citation, send a faintly rude or unfocused picture of the SAC-0001 Body Part listed above* to the Sinister Bureau of Enforcement, Division of Body Parts, North Carolina, USA [honey at missprint.org]. Failure to respond will result in a fine not to exceed the submission of two (2) additional body parts to the Bureau, and imprisonment in a Sinister "Correctional" Facility for a period not to exceed 30 days. Also, you will become the object of merciless tartiness in #sinister. http://www.missprint.org/cgi-bin/photo.cgi?gallery=bodyparts ISSUING OFFICER Damo Enforcer Director, Division of Body Parts * Voluntary donations of body parts are welcome. 0001a: "All contributions strictly anonymous, unless you blab." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glen.mitchell at xxx.com Wed May 10 21:34:41 2000 From: glen.mitchell at xxx.com (Glen) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:34:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Business Studies and Opportunities Message-ID: <000701bfbabf$47c9f180$ae1201d5@oemcomputer> After reading Honey's post about the list abuse/less than 15 mins is too short etc, I became quite worried. For I think I am maybe one of those people who don't really think before sending a post. I decided I would spend more time over this one. I bet you're all thinking "yes Glen you are right, we always just delete your posts," be patient, I AM trying. It's very hard for me to communicate what I want to say. Anyway... RADIO 1 EVENING SESSION Just heard Steve Lurpack there. Why did he have to start the show with that Casualty/LockStock thing? Bollocks to that. Grr. Stevie B&S was on the phone. Lamacq kept reffering to the band as "THE BELLES", which for some reason makes me shudder. Stevie sounded pretty cheery and said if he could he'd go and live in Brooklyn or Manhatten, which I found quite bizarre. He also said Legal Man was "just a laugh". They talked (obviously referring to Sinister) about the internet rumours saying they were selling out. Stevie claimed he couldn't quite understand that so he felt compelled to go into an internet cafe and send a few mails to us himself. (they are among us, I tell you) ALBUM "Chalet Lines - Upsetting to listen to". It was described as a very sad record. They played "The Wrong Girl" which is one of the nicest songs ever. UNIFORMS Grtae idea. Prefect-ish Sinister badges would also be cool. (i know that has een suggested before). Small and perfectly formed. REVISION is the hardest thing to do. I should be revising German now - Ich habe zwei munki in der unterhausen. I WILL fail. Well, sorry if I bored you lot but as I said, I AM trying. Glen PS do Our Price stock Hefner? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris.jones at xxx.uk Wed May 10 21:19:06 2000 From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Fri, 10 May 2000 21:19:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Stevie's watching us Message-ID: <200005102048.VAA28020@smtp.saqnet.co.uk> Was he talking about us? Selling out? The tune's quite nice. Definitely a grower, and I think more twee than Legal Man. Steve Lamacq didn't really ask him much did he? Not much else to say. Chris Jones. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From iaradcliffe at xxx.com Wed May 10 22:21:18 2000 From: iaradcliffe at xxx.com (Iain Radcliffe) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 22:21:18 BST Subject: Sinister: Je parle le franglais tres alright, likes Message-ID: <20000510212118.85240.qmail@hotmail.com> Bon soir, I'll keep this one short, 'cos I have very little to say really, except that the interview with Stevie Jackson on the radio has got me all sweaty and excited in anticipation of the release of HAPPYFLAPS. It's meant to be "very sad" according to Lamacq, which I think is cool. Tigermilk and BWTAS are quite cheery affairs, and so it's only fair that IYFS and Happycamper (inappropriate moniker) are more sombre, thus achieving perfect symmetry and equilibrium of tone at the four album stage blah, blah, aeolian cadence, blah, brisk, moderato, foxtrot... What I mean is, it's sometimes nice to have a good wallow like a miserable bastard, ie "I Know It's Over" off La Queen est Mort and everything off La Lune Pink. YES to uniforms , especially nurse/french maid/sailor/pirate etc. I was also wondering what the state of play is with les picnics d'Ecosse ? The chat after the Glasgow one is making me itch to "get out of the office and into the springtime", to quote some shite sell-out band I heard on a football advert. I'm I right in thinking: 20th - Glasgow, 10th June - Edinburgh, then T in the P ? That would be groovy. I like Joanna's idea of a film: "We still need someone to play the part of the frustrated bureaucrat who dreams about large South American countries, and someone to do the voice of the hero's sidekick, who happens to be a talking strawberry pie (or for the foreign markets, a talking jaffa cake). Claim the role you were born to play! Um, is anyone amused by this at all? I'm sorry. feeling terribly insecure joanna" Can I play a raffish James Dean type who kicks the shit out of Major Spiffy Elephant-Gun Blunderbuss Rotter MBE, to the strains of Me and the Major" ? I would go apoplectic during the frantic harmonica riffing and explode into a million snowflakes at the song's conclusion. Write in with your desired "part" and relieve Joanna's insecurity...anyone, anyone, Buller, Buller... By keeping this message "short", I feel sure that I have circumvented anybody's itchy trigger finger on delete. Yes, enough crap for now, Iain (aka Jarvis) P.S. If you want to have a laugh at my home town, visit http://go.to/perthcity Juvenile student humour, but funny all the same. It featured in the Daily Record today. P.P.S. It's always good to have a nice "P.S." isn't it. Somehow a letter ain't complete without those two little letters which say to me "....afterthought" so eloquently. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From marc_bloomfield at xxx.org Thu May 11 09:34:34 2000 From: marc_bloomfield at xxx.org (marc_bloomfield at xxx.org) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:34:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: please read References: Message-ID: Hello again, Thanks for writing back. I'm glad you did, rather than just dismissing it all as piffle. Here are the bits I really didn't like: >Some of the mails as always were delicious. Maybe it was just a bad choice of words, but the way it came across to me was that the same old people who always post are the only ones worth reading. >If you're on this list just to get an audience for your own thoughts on >life, or breakfast, I'm afraid you don't belong. If a mail took you >less than 15 minutes to write, then maybe you should think before >sending it: it probably means you just want something, and to get >something, you usually have to give something too. Well, my mail obviously took less than 15 minutes to write. And I did want something - this was obvious in my requests. I just didn't really think it was much. Anyway, I don't think you're 'some sort of fascist who only wants novel writers to post', but it seemed to me that you were having a bit of a go to us who can't think of much to write at a time - I can understand being a bit annoyed when people post about 5 things which are all a couple of lines long, or when there are several posts which say exactly the same thing. there've been lots of times when I've been infuriated as hell by what I've read on the list, but I don't want to get into silly nasty arguments about stuff, so I've just kept quiet. Some things even make me angry. But I prefer that to nothing. Ho hum. Anyway, it's probably just me being unduly sensitive. I think it's more that, if you put your first post on and then something like this appears, you do feel a bit put off. Sorry, I didn't mean to cause any offence. It's just the list is pretty daunting. Well, who knows. I probably won't post again, at least not for a while, mainly because I can't think of anything to put on there. I know you love the list, and I'm not disputing that at all. I, as much as anyone, would hate for it to drop into complete rubbishness and die. I just don't think things were as bad as you said (although I appreciate that it's better to do something about it before things go all crappy). Well, this is probably mostly incoherent (I've just got to work, so I'm still waking up), but I hope you're not upset by what I wrote. that wasn't my intention at all. And I s'pose I'm probably the only person who took it all personally anyway. Sorry. Marc. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From marc_bloomfield at xxx.org Thu May 11 10:40:49 2000 From: marc_bloomfield at xxx.org (marc_bloomfield at xxx.org) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:40:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: ok, I admit it, I am a fool References: Message-ID: Okay, spot the splanker (a much underused word, I think), who hit the wrong reply button. After all that, I think I should justify myself. Right, okay, I was a bit upset by what I read, and yes, I do sometimes get infuriated by what I read (I'm not going to mention names, because that's not fair, not nice, and really not the sort of thing I do). But I would also like to say, right now, that I'd rather read some stuff which I disagree with than nothing at all (after all, everyone's entitled to an opinion). Which is why I'm here. I also said this: "I can understand being a bit annoyed when people post about 5 things which are all a couple of lines long, or when there are several posts which say exactly the same thing." Again, not a criticism (it doesn't bother me at all personally), but I understand that some people get more wound up by these things than others. Hope I haven't caused anyone any offence, as none was intended. Right, onto cheerier things. Like how jealous I am about T in the Park. Every year it looks the best festival and this year is no exception. Lucky people. I'd go, but I can't afford to get the train all that way. Although I may be going to Homelands. I appreciate that this is probably not what most people would be interested in, but I went a couple of years ago and it was top. Best night out ever. I honestly recommend it. Glen said: Lamacq kept reffering to the band as "THE BELLES", which for some reason makes me shudder. I didn't hear it, but I can't agree more. Maybe they should've had a shorter name to begin with, which couldn't be abbreviated in such a horrid way. Still, it's better than poor old Polly Harvey (imagine being referred to as Peej (shudder)). Mind you, Radio 1 DJs do have a habit of saying excrutiatingly embarrassing things. I still cringe when I remember Mark Goodier, in the middle of a PWEI sound city gig, remarking 'Pop Will Eat Itself - absolutely jumpin'. Er yes. I'm also reminded of someone I overheard at an Echo & The Bunnymen gig - 'they were better than Ocean'. Bizarre, quite frankly. Glen also remarked about prefect-esque Sinister badges. Sounds like a good idea to me. I was never made a prefect at school (don't worry, I don't expect any hugs for this sorry story of my life), so the thought of pretending to be one is interesting. I'm not sure if it's necessarily good, but it's worth a try. Although I'd feel a bit creepy pretending to be school age again. Well, I hope my grovelling apology is ok (and that this doesn't read like ill-conceived rubbish, which it may well do). Sorry to all (especially Honey, who was only trying to be helpful in the first place). If you've read this far, you deserve a medal. Thanks. A very sheepish Marc. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From timothy at xxx.net Thu May 11 10:52:57 2000 From: timothy at xxx.net (Scampi) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:52:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: oh, thats gone and blown it now Message-ID: <001501bfbb2e$b5105760$2a00010a@hostb42.internal.zone> So then, that papa lamaq interview. To me Steve sounded just a teensy bit miffed at all this selling out debate. I think my point of view on the matter is that I don't really care. Well, I do, but it is up to belle and sebastian if they want to make more a bit more money, although it strikes me that it has just come around because they are just getting more and more popular. As far as I am concerned, I just walk to my local cd emporium, exchange some money for some goods with the nice man with the beard hehind the counter who seems to like reading womans own, go home and really enjoy the music, and as long as the music is great (note spelling), which it invariably is, then all is fine and dandy. They are musicians after all, not stockbrokers. Anyway, last night was the fist time I heard legal man and I have to agree with the person who said eurotrash (yes, I know I am weeks out of date - sorry), i did like it very much though. I think I am going through a bit of a pop! phase at the moment. As I was sorting out the cardboard boxes that seem to live under my bed I found all sorts of things i hads forgotten about, and there, sitting under a rubiks cube with half the stickers falling off from when I used to try a cheat cus I could never do it, was erasures greatest hits. So cheesy, so pop, but so happy. It kept me humming along for ages. or perhaps I shouldn't talk about private things like that, that happen in my own bedroom. scampi.x The milky bars are on me. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From L.Narramore at xxx.uk Thu May 11 11:43:59 2000 From: L.Narramore at xxx.uk (Lucy Narramore) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:43:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: i might be stating the obvious but... Message-ID: ... you know that picnic thingy in Greenwich that you've been talking about on the 20th - you know that it's the same night as the B&S evening at the Paradise Bar in New Cross. I assumed you all new about it, but I looked on the website and couldn't find anything about it on the listing, but maybe I'm just being blind... ... does anyone know anything more about it... Love Me (Lucy) xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Thu May 11 11:54:23 2000 From: ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:54:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: When I am king, dilly dilly, you can be queen In-Reply-To: <1EC8C16BC185D311ACB90008C7C563F33533EE@gblon1c3ex1.wcom.co.uk> Message-ID: Lucy Alder, grinning like a monkey, said > Every evening, I make my way straight to the > newsagent and procure ten packets of... Panini Euro 2000 stickers to fill > the book she sent me. When I was just a little boy, I had a motorbike sticker album. I used to spend all my pocket money on motorbike stickers, fascinated by the sight of all these men in rubber suits, pulling their throttles and whizzing away. Once, I accidentally stuck one sticker in upside down. I thought this was very funny, because the man was riding his bike, but, like, upside down! So, I stuck in all the other stickers I had upside down too! After a day or two, the sight of upside down motorcyclists somehow didn't seem that funny anymore and I realised I had made a terrible mistake. So I gave up collecting stickers and threw the album in the loft to join my Johnny Ball Chemistry Set and Beginner's Magic - 100 Easy Tricks. Easy, my arse. There's a moral in this I think. No, actually I just think I'm stupid. I missed Steve Lurpak last night. But that's no loss really, I can never listen to him without being distracted by the thought of his funnily shaped head. I looks like it's made out of cardboard. Whatever he's saying all I can hear is "Hi I'm Steve Lamacq, I've got a cardboard head". It's terrible, really. Er, bye Robin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From apytmw at xxx.uk Thu May 11 15:19:07 2000 From: apytmw at xxx.uk (Mark) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:19:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Even the smelly ones. Message-ID: <391ACF68.9769.695C2F@localhost> Howdy all, Haven't posted for a while, so I hope you're all arse-spankingly well. With all this lovely weather around, I feel like celebrating... but exam revision keeps me tied up inside. Some of my friends spent the weekend tied up inside too, but thats a different story, the horny blighters. Years ago, the lovely Erica wrote: "we must make sure we don't just throw a few chairs around in Macdonald's like those other chaps." Well, throwing chairs is fun; so is pulling up turf and covering up a whole road in it, and desicrating right-wing monuments of a heritige I'm not proud of. Fun fun fun; I'm surprised I didn't see a few more Belle and Sebastian badges amidst the riot that insued later on. But I'm totally up for storming the city; reclaim the streets, for all their situationist-inspired antics, are just too SMELLY, lets be honest. So why don't we have a riot of our own, as the Clash would say? Dressed smartly in whatever Scarlet thinks appropriate. Using custard pies to repel the riot police, we could, oohhhh, storm the palace or something..... Queenie: I know you, and you cannot sing Moz: Well that's nothing, you should hear me play pi-an-o. See????? Style wins every time. Arantxa wrote "Hot pants" which has left me in a terrible state. I can't go on until I see all 2,300 of you scating around London in a pair. Sorry, minds are strange things. Painting with light, bless, blurted out: "I felt sooo stupid, guess who thought you were male hon?" (with no relation to me) Well, most people think I'm a girl. I wouldn't mind if I were a pretty girl, I might even meet a nice guy. But I think I make a kinda *blokish* guy, since I am, truth be told, a bloke. darn and blast. Maybe I should go and do some *work*. Incidentally, the radio station I work for has started broadcasting on FM, so for the next few weeks radio 1 reception is interfered with all accross Nottingham... wickeeeeeeed methinks. Love you all, even the smelly ones, Mark xxxxxxxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Thu May 11 18:35:42 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:35:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Roscoe! You got splinters in the windmills of your mind? Message-ID: <802568DC.006163BD.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> All a bit quiet round here - has someone parped? It is a testament to my old man radio listening ways that I still haven't heard 'Legal Man' properly. I turned on London Live and heard the last ten seconds. I thought "What's this indie-boy attempt at a summer sound? Is it Dinosaur Jr's 'Take a run at the sun'? No. Is it 'Wake Up Boo!'? No." and then Robert Elms said "That's Belle & Sebastian - Legal Man. Hardly!" Still not sure what he meant. Anyway I'm sure it's very good and everything. I'm looking forward to buying it twice. I'm actually starting to get a bit cross that there's this mythology of 'Internet B&S obsessives are worrying that the band are selling out' spreading like wildfire. That debate-that-never-really-was inevitably gets represented as 'elitist-bedwetters worry that the band are getting too popular' and obviously we don't want any of that nonsense. People believe what they like to believe; even the band it seems. I do like the idea of a bedwetting elite though. Endless debates about whether the doubly-incontinent should be allowed in. As for TOTP, if anyone needs persuading that the band have always wanted to appear on the show, here's a reminder: From: Daily Record 07/05/98 The Stow-aways. Students chart a popular business Stow College is a world of new and exciting opportunities! We want to give you a glimpse of just some of the options that are available for adults and school-leavers here. [...] And at Stow College, music-mae course is a man who knows all about the business - Alan Rankine, who formed part of the great eighties pop band The Associates. [...] Bands discovered after the College quest include current critics' favourites, Belle and Sebastian. They have made Alan a firm promise that they will wear college T-shirts when they debut on telly's Top of the Pops. So there. Alan Rankine can justifiably accuse them of selling out if any of them break this promise and appear in some kind of designer fox-skin number. Harry Hunt, who has a *good* name said: >How come NO-ONE when questioned lists You're just a >baby, as their favourite B&S track?  It's a delight. Hmm.. well I've always thought it's a pain in the arse. I like it when it gets to the 'there must be a reason for all the looks we gave' chorus (although the words make little sense to me), but the shuffling boom-ba boom-ba of the verse is a huge clunking comedown after the biff-pang-pow of the first three wondertrax. And the lyrics are annoying. Everything that follows the line 'You're just a baby, baby girl / so..' seems a non-sequitur. 'You're just a baby, baby girl so kiss me on the cheek before you know what's sweet' Eh? It's one of the few Belle & Sebastian songs that I often skip. So BabyChris has hung up his crystal balls and gone wee-wee-wee all the way home? It's a shame he got in such a lather over the Toby Titwank London set. I blame Alasdair's malicious gossip. The 'sequin studded' bit makes me think he might have got the B&S London Sinister Scene mixed up with the Gay Scene. I can understand the confusion, what with both being well known for wearing nappies. I'm strictly non-scene myself, but sometimes wear ultra-thin Pampers under my trousers for a forbidden thrill. The Angel Blackwell fessed up: >i have fell in love with lil' mr drake...then i fell >in love with a certain listee who burnt all his cd's >and sent them to me just because i was a fan... Good heavens, the things boys do to impress! Don't quite understand it though - was it some kind of iconoclastic statement or just a terrible accident? Nick x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ol01 at xxx.uk Fri May 12 13:32:35 2000 From: ol01 at xxx.uk (The Narrow Wizard) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 13:32:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Talking to myself in dreams Message-ID: word up (I've always wanted to start a post like that...dunno why) just thought I'd mention the fact that the new looper long player came out this week and so I bought it. Its really rather good, very different from up a tree but really rather good. There's less spoken word stuff this time and the loops used are more electronic and beat driven than melodic. The only big disapointmnet is that the childlike innocence of vision seems to have been lost from many of the tracks. Its being sold for a reasonable price in most shops though so all of you who haven't should go out and buy it (you can read the end of this post before you buy it if you wish, you don't....oh well). Anyway the standout track is the second one "on the flipside" which could become a list favourite cos its really great/grate (spell it as you wish). oh... on the subject of the sinister uniform its gotta be a tracksuit this is cos at the glasgow pubnic there were a group of about 40 people who walked past us in matching tracksuits and it was then that I said to jason that sinister should all get matching tracksuits. perhaps to keep erica happy we should have fur collars on them or something, that would be tres cool. big ups to honey for running this list and not throtling anyone who is on it thank you for being you time for a random lyric quote I feel I rush in where fools have been if love's the answer don't I need a question too no heart can tie what the fates undo. I've a feeling that the last time i randomly quoted a lyric it was also damon and naomi but they are too good not to quote so you'll have to put up with my love of them. sorry for wasting your time with my rubbish love and comfy chairs owen With that the narrow wizard waggled his bushy eyebrows and disappeared in a flash of blue flame leaving behind only a faint smell of cinnamon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elenita99 at xxx.com Fri May 12 18:11:05 2000 From: elenita99 at xxx.com (elenita99) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:11:05 CEST Subject: Sinister: Wake up, it will be a lovely evening! Message-ID: <20000512161105.85772.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello Sini-people! Well as this long Friday-afternoon in the office is not ending, I have at least 15 mn to write you a little post :-) (my Word program just changed my kit-smiley as a all-done-and-nice one, isn�t it weird??) Anyway, �spring is in the air, la la la la� like in the song, I am very excited about London picnic next week cos� I am going meet some of you nice people�Well I have already met some of you but I mean many of you the same day, lots of emotions!! I hope we�ll see photos of all these picnics, take your cameras people! It�s almost like a world-wide B&S day, I like this idea� Someone wrote a while ago that new Elliott Smith�s album was great: well yes it is, I suggest it as well! And another top-CD of the week is that Jeff Buckley�s live that went out a few days ago: it is really brilliant, even if I already now most of the tracks I was happily surprised, I hope some of you will as well (and if some of you don�t know J.Buckley I will be really please to copy it or another of its album for you, email me!) I still haven�t heard Legal Man but finally I didn�t do anything for it or stayed stuck to my radio: I will just wait some 9 days and go and buy it (twice, very possibly)�Oh and I also ordered some badges, so in a few weeks time I will be a recognisable listee on the streets of London, how exciting! Joanna�s film is a brilliant idea, I am with you on this! I am not really sure of what role I would like to play though, so I�ll think about it�But I�d like to be on when �she�s losing it� is playing, at least! Well I guess that is almost it for today, hope it wasn�t too boring if you read that far� I wish you all a very nice and sunny week-end Love and large smiles Elena ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kpc98c at xxx.UK Fri May 12 17:25:04 2000 From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:25:04 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I bought in a mall Message-ID: <200005121624.RAA13636@missprint.org> Hi all, Just noticed that virtually no one has posted for the last two days, probably a result of Honey's e-mail making everyone scared of posting.. Oh come on, I'm sure mummy's idea is not for us to post absolutely nothing at all, cos that's not only the best way to a list death it IS the list death itself. So I'm going to break all your silence by posting this wonderful e-mail which is gonna be TWEE and P!O!P and BLUDDY GRATE. And the 15 minutes thing? Easy.. you just have to keep trying to spell pneumatic drill or something equally tough (such as the word "tough") and it'll take 15 minutes at best. Only joking though. Just like to say welcome to Liisa to our list, hmm, we already have a "Lissa" on the list and now Liisa too, are we being taken over slowly with people with all different spellings of Lisaa? :-) I hope they are benevolent invaders who don't torture there POWs! :-) I just found out legal man comes out the day before 2 of my exams.. which means I'll have a choice of listening to wonderful legal man or revise for 2 terrible exams. I think I know the answer.. Of course, it also means that I won't be able to go to miles away London or a few more miles away Glasgow for the world twee day :-( But if any sinistees in the Nottingham/Midlands area wants to spend a sunny afternoon in the park (and/or the pub) on the 20th then we can form our own massiv' in da land of da merrymen. I guess that's all for now.. Free pool and red bull! Ken p.s. any idea why the merrymen are the merrymen, rather than the "happychappies" for example? Have they been round the pub too much?? ====================================================================== but if you're feeling sinister, go off and see a minister he'll try in vein to take away the pain of being a hopeless unbeliever - Belle & Sebastian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk Fri May 12 21:13:02 2000 From: amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk (amy_jackson0) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:13:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: twee in the park Message-ID: <016901bfbc4e$7b4120c0$41d5b0c2@tinypc> howdy folks, sorry for the crapness of my subject line, but i have been revising and my poor wee brain is not a happy bunny, so that's all i can manage...well, t in the park. i can only go on the sunday (cos i am too skint to go to the whole weekend, so i can't see looper *sob*) but i really would like to meet up with some fellow sinisterines for a day of debauchery. and i have decided to go crowdsurfing *for the first time*, but i dunno when to do it.....travis or idlewild, travis or idlewild...i can picture myself floating on top of the crowd during the cool guitar solo to "writing to reach you" or maybe "happy", but then again, i do wanna go at idlewild, and my lovely partner in crime Loopy Laura will only put up with me surfing once, "in case i lose you and i'll be stuck in a field with thousands of people that i don't know and i won't find the picnic!" her words, not mine, bless! so, as i said before, if any of you want to meet, email me at amy_jackson0 at tinyworld.co.uk it will be the first time i have been to a festival, and i have no idea what to wear. maybe my b&s colourblind t-shirt (which *still* hasn't arrived), or maybe a cute wee summer dress and denim jacket, or............oh i dunno, i'll decide when i get there! any ideas? staying at a b&b in perth i think on the saturday night, which should be interesting to say the least..... *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* i read princess honey's post earlier.....hmm, not sure what to say. i know some (if not all) of my earlier posts were pretty daft and probably not very relevant to any of you, but it's just that i don't really know what to say. i think i'm slowly getting better now.....so honey, if any of my posts, past or future are stoopid, then let me know.....sorry in advance.... *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* as for the twee debate, well i agree wholeheartedly with young Jen. Being twee may be dictionary defined as being a flopsy bunny hugging cardie wearing whimsy, but i don't care for proper definitions. i try to be nice to everyone, i am a dreamer, i take things to heart, i am extremely shy and i do tend to "get out of the wrong side of the bed" (i.e. i'm in a bad mood) most (weekday) mornings. and i don't care if i'm labelled twee, i'll wear the badge with pride. ahem...that's enough of that i think............. *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* heard "the wrong girl" on lurpack's show the other night. i like it, it's nice and bright and summery and everything a P!O!P! song should be. can't wait for FISHYCLAP, it's gonna be the soundtrack to my summer.... *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* well, i should go now, i don't want to bore you any longer.... if you've got to the end of this, then you're a star and i send you many virtual hugs, adios, weebelle XX (revising the art of being idle) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From feathermeat at xxx.com Fri May 12 22:54:34 2000 From: feathermeat at xxx.com (Melissa Williams) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:54:34 EDT Subject: Sinister: Let me be your little dog till your big dog comes... Message-ID: <20000512215435.74464.qmail@hotmail.com> I am fairly wallowing in trepidation. I'll bet I'm not the only one, either...there's got to be SOME good reason why no one's writing anything. Well, I'll take my chances that this is a stupid post, as it's for the good of the list! Yes! I will go down in a blaze of glory, singing "Ode to Joy," or else "We Are the Champions..." I'm feeling a little revolutionary and wild-eyed today, yes indeed. Okay, enough of that. I just wanted to say that, although it's true that this list is not a forum for people to delineate their personal philosophies, I for one joined the list in order to meet some like-minded people, and read about what they were interested in writing about. I imagine a lot of people signed on for the same reason. I mean, I think that the list probably really would die if all that people wrote were astute and well-reasoned essays on Belle and Sebastian. Don't get me wrong--I _want_ people to talk about the band, and I most emphatically _don't_ want people to post without thinking about it. But there's no use in making people afraid to write anything, for fear of unpleasant consequences. Plus, my favorite posts so far (I'm new, admittedly) have been the ones where people write about their lives, or what they like besides Belle and Sebastian, or stories that they've dreamed up. Am I alone in this? I don't mean to sound like a vitriolic axe-grinder, but I feel pretty strongly about this. Better a lot of posts with a certain percentage of irrational crap than only a few posts with a certain percentage of irrational crap. Okay, I'm pushing "Send" before I revert to my usual demure state. All of you write! Come on! Melissa 'There was something they meant to say, but didn't: "And if we put the statue of the rhinocerous next to the tweezers, and walk around the room three times, learn to yodel, shave our heads, call our ancestors back from the dead--" poetrywise it's still a bust, bankrupt. You haven't scribbled a syllable of it.' --James Tate, 'Dream On' ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From secretmysterydate at xxx.com Sat May 13 05:14:28 2000 From: secretmysterydate at xxx.com (brand new shoes) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:14:28 EDT Subject: Sinister: last call for londoners! Message-ID: <20000513041428.15535.qmail@hotmail.com> okay, i didn't get many people want ing to meet me in london... (though i got a couple and i thank you for those, very sweet. i'll bring the cookies) if anyone wants to have a sinister get together or something, or has a couch for me in other parts of the UK :) , i would be most excited. i can cook a lovely breakfast, and always bring gifts of wine and such. not a psychopath, you can ask Mary (little arsonist) she's met me. or sugar dave. anyway, if not, i don't take offense. fat awful americans. not to just talk about my day, but i had a very ego-thumping one, so a quick complaint... A.) i didn't get an award that everyone told me i was absolutely going to get, so i am let down. and it was for my artwork too, on which my whole ego is based! grrr B.) some boy got a show at this space in pittsburgh that has told many people that they DO NOT show student work, and he isn't all that either, i am annoyed. i think he did it with connections, networking, gross. C.) the camera that i really really want is no longer made. that just stinks. okay that is enough... on a happy note, i am done with everything and i played on the radio last night and it went very very well. if anyone heard, i would love to here what you thought. also: all you music buffs, i would like some advice on a song premise: do you think it might be a nice idea to base one of my songs on the song that the little choir boy sings in The Cook, the Theif, the Wife, and Her Lover? i am considering it and i can't tell if that is to strong a reference to pull. any advice would be accepted and greatly appreciated. okay, i love you all. as usual i have no B+S news or anything, b/c i am stuck on the slow continent in a city ten years behind the world. sorry love, sam ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From james.thorniley at xxx.com Sat May 13 12:03:28 2000 From: james.thorniley at xxx.com (James Thorniley) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 11:03:28 +0000 Subject: Sinister: 1..2..3..4.. Message-ID: Hi again sinister folks, (be brave) Sorry this is so long.. BEGINNING*** It has been a while indeed. Since last time I posted I'm 16 which is nice I spose, and I'll soon be finishing my school term to do my GCSE exams (^^yay^^). POINTLESS EXPLANATION OF SUBJECT LINE Don't you find the the bit at the beggining of "Mayfly" where he goes "1,2,3,4" so catchy? PICNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCC oo oo oo it's sinister picnic time again. Or if you're me moaning about how you're mum won't let you go to sinister picnic time again*. I've come up with a shockingly devious plan that's so shocking that the more twee of you may find it difficult to comprehend how devious it is, and should thus look away now... I'm going to LIE HARHAR I'm so evil and more so because I am ranting so much. Anyway I hope I will see many of you luvly peeps there the day after school breaks up HURRAH. YOURE JUST A BABY BABY GIRL You're Just a Baby has just come round on my hi-fi. Was someone saying this wasn't such a good song? Don't be silly now, this song ROCKS. The lyrics might sound a bit cheesy but I really like them actually, I really like that about B&S lyrics... they often sound tacky but at least they mean something. Here'ssomething else vaguely B&S related - hopefully I've got my facts right, but think about this: May 1998, two interesting events occur in the P!O!P! world, Geri Haliwell leaves the Spice Girls, and Mick Cooke joins Belle and Sebastian.. hmm, come to think of it.. you may have seen Mick Cooke and you may have seen Geri Haliwell, but have you ever seen Mick Cooke and Geri Haliwell *together*? UNIFORMS Sinister uniforms seem to be the hot topic at the mo.. I had an idea for a t-shirt design - we could do one of those montage things.. that's where you get a big picture made up lots of small pictures like you get on some posters and on those BT ads where it zooms out from the lots of different people and you see this picture of ET. Anyway you could do that from all those millions of pictures mummy has and make them show a fox or something (maybe a bit more imaginative than that) and that would look nifty I think. Of course we would make the girls versions extra tight and the boys need only wear theirs in bad weather to satisfy Pookie and Velocity. Maybe we could have a posh sinister uniform as well for when we want to look special when the Queen is presenting us all with our knighthoods for being so fantastic. GUILDFORD FESTIVAL Another thing I wanted to talk to you about today is the GUILDFORD FESTIVAL. I thought since people set up those siniglasto and sinireading egroups that I would set up another little egroup for and sinistereens who might be coming to GUILDFORD this year: www.egroups.com/group/siniguildford. It's a GRATE little festival in sunny Surrey here in my home town. This year the headliners are Idlewild, Motorhead, Van Morrison and Joan Armatrading... I also spied the fantastic Gorky's on the list (tbc.. fingers crossed). Anyway, it's not really about music, it's about sitting outside in the sun and having a laugh. Tickets are dirt cheap, visit www.guildford-live.co.uk or email me for more info. Go on come it will be grate fun I promise. Gawd that probly counts as awful list abuse even after I've tried to condense it. I'd better go now before I say something silly. HASTY EXIT (hugs and so on) James Thorniley *Last year I repeatedly failed to appear at the sinister picnics since dearest mother thinks you are a bunch of freaks and drug pushers (don't listen to her.. she says awful things about Liverpool).** **It does seem necessary these days to put in footnotes doesn't it*** ***It's funny how we seem to go through crazes on this list.. like when everyone put headings in capital letters, in fact I think I'll go through and do that now, just for nostalgia's sake.**** ****I am aware that it is not standard practise for the first footnote marker on the page to reference the third footnote, but if you think about it I couldn't really have have made that reference the first footnote because it wouldn't really have worked.***** *****Don't worry this isn't going to go on forever.. in fact I think I'll end now. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elisabeth_z at xxx.com Sat May 13 12:39:17 2000 From: elisabeth_z at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Elisabeth=20Zachariassen?=) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 04:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: WE ARE NOT INTELLECTUALS, WE WANT TO BE ON TV, EH WHO'S SPEARMINT?! Message-ID: <20000513113917.2827.qmail@web905.mail.yahoo.com> hi, I never write but some might remember me from those early picnics....ahhhh those were the days. I have translated this interview for someone else so I thought I might just as well send it to you as a response to the selling out debate. The interview also had a nice picture of mr jackson and his (?) drawings of the other band members, and featured in the cultural supplement of one of Norway’s biggest newspapers. I guess Stevie would have made the cover if Motorhead hadn't released a new album as well and a lovely picture of Lemmy is on the cover. Urgh! Please overlook the spelling and basically the language,-) It’s not true that B&S play with their backs to the audience, nor that they are so bloody intellectual, nor that they never do interviews, here is one for example; SHYNESS AND HONESTY “I am going to be completely honest with you. I am only doing this interview because I like flying. I am also able to go places I’ve never been before. Saying yes to doing this interview with you, not that I mind, gave me the opportunity to fly to Norway and explore Oslo. After this interview I’m going out in the city with my girlfriend.” B&S’ guitarist SJ is sitting with his legs femininely crossed in a darkly lit room at a record company on Karl Johan. He’s got pale Scottish complexion and black clothes. He has let us interview him and that is supposed to be a rarity, we are supposed to be grateful. They sure are weird these Scots, they rarely play gigs and when they do they play with their backs to the audience, and the singer Stuart doesn’t talk to anyone and they are all really well-read and intellectual and they refuse to be on telly. “No no no, nothing of this is true” Stevie carefully shakes his head. He blushes. Excuses himself. He doesn’t mind journalists. It’s just that they write so many things that aren’t true. “Firstly we do not play with our backs to the audience. Its not like we jump around or anything but we do not play with our backs turned! When it comes to this thing about intelligence I am definitely not an intellectual. I did go to college for a while, but that’s a long time ago. Stuart is maybe the only one who went, I’m not sure. That’s one in seven, which doesn’t exactly make B&S an intellectual band. And when the British press wrote that we didn’t want to perform on the Top of the Pops then .” Pause -Then? “Then they were completely wrong. We would have loved to be on TOTP! I can’t understand where they got that from. “The band who refused to play on TOTP” it said. And with those headlines of course no one ever asks us to do TV. WE WANT TO BE ON TV! We want our music to get into the charts, that’s our goal. And then I read in a mag that our new single “Legal man” is our first attempt at being mainstream. What nonsense!” -Why? “Why!” Pause. “What is it people think we are doing? Do people really think that we make music that we only want a few to like? That we ask our record company to withdraw all our records when we have passed 4000 sold? I can’t understand that people are disappointed when we say that we want to make hits.” -How does these myths come about if nothing of it is true? “I don’t know, we don’t set out to make myths. We don’t play many gigs and we don’t give many interviews. That’s just the way we are.” The Scots have made their 4th album “fold your hands .”and it sounds like their former albums. Minimalistic, vulnerable and acoustic. “We haven’t changed,» says Stevie. There are quite a few expectations from your audience, like here in Norway for example. «Why? Are we big here?” -You were no 7 in the album charts with your last album. “Really? Wow. What do you think people are expecting from us then? We would like to give people what they want, we wouldn’t like to disappoint anyone. We are going to do our best, but we’re not people to run around to fans and papers and scream “PLEASE LOVE US!” -No you’re not. “We are just trying to be honest with ourselves. -Yes, you are. “It’s not like we try to keep up with the new musical trends. Yesterday someone asked me what I thought of Spearmint. Spearmint! He thought it was incredible that I hadn’t heard about them. Have you heard about Spearmint?” -No “ Thank God! I thought it was just me!” -What do you listen to? “ I like pop. And musicals. When I’m drunk I like to do a couple of songs from “Guys & Dolls” and “West Side Story”. And I like Madonna. And Miles Davies. And the Beatles. So I am not really down with the latest trends. -No? “No. We are just ordinary people that live in Glasgow. We don’t hang out in the party crowd in London. We go in the studio, make records and when we are finished we go home again” __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Sat May 13 12:54:24 2000 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 12:54:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: My wandering days are over before they ever began... Message-ID: <005701bfbcd1$fc3ff560$728c183e@default> Hi Twee Majority, >>>>>>>>LONDON<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I am now officially unable to attend. This is because I have been struck down with a very nasty case of called-in-debtitis.... yes, my mother (lovely woman that she is [sarcasm]) has decided to call in the £300 left of my debt that only two weeks ago she had told me she was willing to leave until I get a job. I didn't have a place to stay either, so I suppose things always manage to balance out somehow. Many thanks go to Ally and Calumn for giving me permission to follow them down there and wander along behind them looking lost pity I won't get the chance. I hope you guys make it to the Edinburgh one - this goes for all of you, especially the mummy I've never seen.... >>>>>>>>>>SOULWAX<<<<<<<<<< I dragged Mr. Owen "I am NOT Hugh Grant!!!" Lowry (I hope I spelled that right) along to see Soulwax (being supported by King Adora) at King Tut's on Thursday night. I think he vaguely enjoyed it, and I bluddy loved it! The Soulwax guitarist has *the* coolest guitars ever..... his Casio guitar has to be seen to be believed. King Adora were great, and Owen especially liked the fact that they sampled a movie (Godzilla Vs. King Ghidora) which had been dubbed. "King Ghidora is in your area!!" When I was younger, I always did think the monster's name was Kinky Dora...... >>>>>>>>Jeff Buckley<<<<<<<<< I finally got off my lazy ass and bought a Jeff Buckley CD (Grace). Wow. The guy's voice has more pain in it that Thom Yorke could ever hope for (Radiohead are my favourite band, so me saying this is praise indeed). I think Last Goodbye could be my favourite song of all time. Can any Buckley fans tell me (a) Which CD should I buy next - Sketches or Mystery White Boy? and (b) Is his dad any good? >>>>>>>Comic Books<<<<<<< Has anyone ever read the Preacher series of comic books? They're great. There's an Irish Alcoholic Vampire called Cassidy in it who is possibly the finest comic book hero ever. For instance, after being (a) shot, (b) hit by a truck, (c) burned and (d) kicked in, his very next line is "That fella's got a face loike an arse.." Genius. >>>>>>>>Sinister Gear<<<<<<<<< I was really being serious when I suggested the idea of a Sinister t-shirt, btw. I think it'd be cooler than cool... James 'Rosebush' Thorniley said: >> I'm glad to see I'm becoming famous (notorious?) for something, anyway To tell the truth, my ing ways began on the Radiohead Mailing List (which is dying at the moment) because there were a few people who were totally unable to spot sarcasm, so I started to every time I was sarcastic, and that sort of spread to me ing every time I say *anything*, which sort of puts me back at square one really.... (Over hill and) Glen said: >>Lamacq kept reffering to the band as "THE BELLES", which for some >>reason makes me shudder I would make you shudder a lot then, cos I either call them B&S or The Belles.... >>>>>ITCH<<<<< I shaved my armpits because I thought it'd make my vest top look a little better, but they itch like all buggery. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to stop the itch? >>>>BIG ERECT PENIS<<<<< The tree on the bodyparts page looks very like something....I can't think what though... Pamela "Study At Stow" Tait said: >>Hmm, better still, anyone ever freamed about The Judderman? I misread this to say "Anyone ever creamed about the Judderman?" which almost made me fall off my chair... I talk too much, don't I? Well, I'll shut it now.... --Jason Andreas If nice guys finish last, then I'll never finish at all... ICQ: 45821217 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Sat May 13 18:27:51 2000 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:27:51 +0100 Subject: Sinister: go to this page.. Message-ID: <009801bfbd00$93e6f660$2e8a183e@default> I'm sorry, but I *really* had to share this. Booyakasha! http://mackers.com/alig/translate.cgi?text=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.missprint.org%2F sinister this is the Ali G version of Sinister... --Jason Andreas If nice guys finish last, then I'll never finish at all... ICQ: 45821217 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hoveringsoul at xxx.com Sat May 13 22:42:19 2000 From: hoveringsoul at xxx.com (Hoveringsoul) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:42:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tiocfaidh_=E1r_picnic?= Message-ID: <20000513214220.66118.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello Sinister I thought I'd be just a little devious and use the current lull in posts (surely due to Honey's verbal wristslap - I am not sure if I agree but I am relatively new and don't remember the old list, without flippant posts full of whimsy, so I will be content to just see how it pans out) to post in the hope that the relative people will actually read this. As my subject line (which has no political significance whatsoever) hopefully gave away, I am referring to the idea of a picnic-style meet-up for the Irish Sinister Listees. (Out of curiosity, is there an already established name for Sinister Listees that I have missed? Sinistrals? Sinisterees? Sinisterines? Twee Fuckers? Pasty-faced Vegans? Please let me know.) It was originally Nessa's idea, so you can give her the credit/abuse as you see fit. She's doing the Leaving though, so easy on the abuse! If there are any interested parties who will be in Dublin over the next couple of weeks then let Nessa or me know so we can sort out the date/venue and so on. It seems everyone else on the list is going to a picnic - except for Jason, who has my sympathies - and I for one feel left out (or paranoid - you decide). So come on - It might even be fun! Byebye David +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From grey7 at xxx.net Sun May 14 05:21:38 2000 From: grey7 at xxx.net (James Gilmer) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 00:21:38 -0400 Subject: Sinister: If you're feeling sinister and strange, why not post? Message-ID: <014701bfbd5b$e854ac00$51381fce@default> Hullo Sinister Siblings! I trust we are all well, yes? I was told I was "very european" today when I ordered a Pepsi without ice. I'm afraid I must say I wasn't trying to be classy, I simply dislike ice. I was also called a "nice young man" three times today, I suppose I must go do something nasty such as beat up an old lady before I'm in danger of becoming twee (which would mean I'd have to give up my current heathen boy status, wouldn't it?). Robin said: " If you want to be known by a label, you may as well be a tin of beans." Which is a very true and smart thing and is why all this talk of what twee is is a bit silly. Though I must give props to Jen for saying: "I think twee is just being kind and nice, and not always hitting back, and trying to help people even if they're bad to you, and being quite sensitive, and being gentle and a bit of a wuss, but knowing when to stand up and fight at the right times." Which I thought that was just being mature, but if that's twee then it is indeed a Good Thing to be twee. Someone else said: "Fuck this twee shit" Hmmm, what to go on about now? Well, I think some B&S material would be best wouldn't it? "Legal Man" I've finally heard it thanks to a most kind listee, and I must say I like it. It's really rather good. I suppose I really don't have much to say about it other than I enjoyed it. It has a way of growing on you, it has a nice feel to it and it made me smile so that should be enough for anyone, right? "Uniforms" I had a B&S dream last night. Twee freedom fighters in black uniforms with gold buttons and lapels storming the city and stringing up townies and freeing animals to run amok in the streets whilst bright eyed children look on at the brave new world where rainbows shine forever over cities of silver and jade.... Where might I sign up? I also have this dream of Sinister boys and girls gathering around Stuart and the rest of the band on their obsidian throne and the Sinisters are clutching the bleached bones of townies and P!O!P stars and howling at the moon and then I realize I've left 2001 playing while I napped. Speaking of Kubrick, "Eyes Wide Shut" is the only way to watch that film, poor Stanley, to have left such a poor farewell. Other Music: I've heard the new delgados album. Let me say that Peloton, their other album, is a work of brilliance. You should all run out and buy Peloton this minute. It catches you unaware, it whispers into your ear and then boxes you upside the head with soulful lyrics and lush sounds that turn harsh and cruel in a heartbeat. "Pull the Wires from the Wall" is a masterpiece, simply an amazing song. "The Great Eastern" is a simpler album, and it lacks...something. It's not bad mind you, but when compared with Peloton....ah, well. It's an enjoyable listen but nothing earthshaking. Erica mentioned Black Box Recorder, who you should all be listening to. I can't speak for the new album (Erica says it's brilliant, do you really need my recommendation?) but "England Made Me" is a piece of brilliance, which is what we should expect from Luke Haines. The same fellow who introduced me to B&S and the delgados said, "Luke Haines is a genius and you will buy his records if it kills me". So don't take my word for it my Sinister brothers and sisters, rush out and get a copy of anything by Black Box Recorder, they made "Seasons in the Sun" sound like a work of art, what more do you want? I missed Apples in Stereo playing in Michigan because our indie clubs have crap for promotion outside Ann Arbor. Ann Arbor. What a town. I grew up in a rather smallish, conservative town here in Michigan where Ann Arbor was considered the place where the freaky people lived. You know the type, the ones who dyed their hair all the wrong colors and put metal bits in their flesh and had nasty designs put on them with an ink stained needle and yes children, where sometimes boys go with boys and girls with girls. I love going into Ann Arbor and walking the streets and seeing all the wonderful people there. You can fall in love a thouand times in a city like that. That weird beauty that hits you everytime you focus in for a second and glances of brilliance you catch out of the corner of your eye. It's not that it is any better than any other place, but perhaps it is a bit more colorful and less boring, though it of course has its fair share of fools and mean people. But it's a fun place to visit and it moves fast and its not as boring as other places. It's rather like that feeling you get when you spin round and round and fall down and the world keeps on spinning around you. And yes, that's an overly romantic view and I'm sure someone would say I'm being twee but bugger it. It's the same feeling I get when I come home after a hard day and things seem like crap and I settle in and flick on a bit of B&S (see, there was a point to my mad rambling, we've hit upon B&S at last) and the world seems a bit brighter. Because forget about whether they are twee or selling out or any of that rubbish. They make good music. I enjoy their music. Good music makes me feel good. Thus, their music makes me feel good. That, my dear Sinister Siblings is the only thing that matters to me. That's it for now, take care all! "Goodbye Rag! Goodbye Tag! Goodbye Bobtail!" Be Sinister Children..... Jim ( grey7 on #sinister for those keeping score) "You must not mind me, madam: I say strange things, but I mean no harm"-Samuel Johnson +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nik_ovenden at xxx.com Sun May 14 11:09:38 2000 From: nik_ovenden at xxx.com (Nik Ovenden) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 03:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Aargh....blue meenies.... Message-ID: <20000514100938.17147.qmail@web2105.mail.yahoo.com> Dearest Sinistereeny darlings, shame i missed all the twee picnics, it's a bitch being out in the sticks. It's lovely to see the 'selling out' problems have died out...hopefully faced with bright anticipation of legal day! Here tney come, 7 days of condensed thoughts packed into one juicy little opal fruit (such a nice name, why did they change it?) - Mondo '77? excellent. Love it, but it sounds like they went into a studio and started jamming! However, i keep loving it more and more each time i hear it... - Geometrid - great album, but 'uncle ray' pisses me off chronically - lollipops - 10p is too expensive when you're on 20 a day...are ciggies worse than lollipops? - why does it never thunder & lightning when you're out for a long walk? bugger. - people are now pissed off with my excitement over B&S (8 days! then 22 days!) Looper (gig @ bristol!!!), Pilton (7 weeks!!!!), edinburgh festival (19-23rd August!!!) then reading (23-28th!!!!) aaagh!!!!!!! - Gomez EP sounds remarkably unoriginal...time they broke out the kazoos... - Eurovision song contest is a fantastic show...if only to hear terry wogan whinge! - 2000 Troubled Teenagers sounds too good to be true...and i'm missing it...bum. Sorry. Also, how many people have heard of a band called 'polarbear'? It was snow patrol's first incarnation; they released 'starfighter pilot' on ehr back in '97. Are the cd's rare, cos i picked up 2 in weston this week...bit surreal...stuart murdoch guest stars on track 3! B&S content - um...the bowlie 'leg i got is incredible; their impending uk tour is too exciting (i get images of a sell-out wembley!); FISHYCLAP is an excellent way to abbreviate it! Love, hugs, kisses, jelly '(raspberry flavour), puppies and loo roll, Niko xxxx PS well done to honey, she is a truly wonderful list mummy. Does that rhyme? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From david at xxx.uk Sun May 14 13:24:20 2000 From: david at xxx.uk (David White) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 13:24:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Get out of the sunshine.... Message-ID: Just heard Legal Man on Mark and Lard (at long last) and it's a bit of a corker. Mix two parts LLPJ with one part Black Grape/early 90s Charlatans, stir furiously, add a drop of Eurotrash theme tune and let simmer for a bit. Leave your Legal Man to cool et voila, one surefire hit! Can't wait for the album now. That's all folks... Dave david at belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk PS please help cheer up the 'sad' Discussion board at www.belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From punkboy at xxx.uk Sat May 13 20:11:51 2000 From: punkboy at xxx.uk (Stuart Flanagan) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 20:11:51 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Belfast meet-up ??...B&S DJ set Message-ID: <000301bfbdb3$cf9f9140$4bcd883e@punkboy.freeserve.co.uk> Hello all This is a post for anybody in Northern Ireland or maybe even Dublin if you are realy keen! Chris and Richard from B&S will be doing one of their special DJ sets at the Belfast Limelight on Sunday 21st May. It should be a cracking night, so to celebrate I was wondering if any N. Irish listees would like to meet-up in Belfast beforehand ? If you're keen please email me privately and feel free to make any suggestions as to what we might get up to (keep it clean) cheers Stuart +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From JENOWL22 at xxx.com Sun May 14 19:30:45 2000 From: JENOWL22 at xxx.com (JENOWL22 at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 14:30:45 EDT Subject: Sinister: Continuing in my new found penchant for all things alcoholic.... Message-ID: <42.5707b46.26504ad5@aol.com> Hewwo, Well, last night I stayed at my friend's, and we had a BBQ and drank copious amounts of cider, rum and pineapple and lager. Then, we watched Eurovision and foundit the funniest and most profound thing ever in the history of grate things, and we both wanted Latvia to win because the guy had groovy flares and he could do a mad stary-eyed thing. Then we got really giggly and impulsive and started pulling all the wallpaper off her wall, because she said it would show her mum she was serious about getting her room done up, and really it seemed a good idea at the time (though it wasn't really when I woke up on the floor the next morning surrounded by ripped wallpaper with a really sore head.) Said friend wants to keep a diary of all the times I get a kicking or whatever, so she can go to the headmaster(bater) and throw it on his desk and say "This is the spirit of St Brides, sir,' in a dramatic fashion. I really hope she didn't mean it, because she did something like that before, and I had to deny it all and she was really really mad at me. And she's bluddy scary when she's mad. I think I'll chime in and say that the sinister t-shirt sounds grate, if it ever gets to exist. I've been listening to The Queen is Dead for three hours now, on repeat, and I like it. Some bands that you don't like at first end up being quite good it you listen to them more, like Hefner, The Smiths and Salako, because I hated them all at first. Didn't someone say the next Glasgow meet up was on the 20th? Sorry, it's like a pure addiction now... Jason 'Twee' Andreas pointed at me and said: << as opposed to hitting the bully on the nose, eh Jen? >> Argh! Ok, right, this is becoming my mantra but IT WAS SELF DEFENCE! I went to a party, and I argued with a boy, and I was perfectly calm, and I told him to take what he said back, but three girls tried to drag me out the room, and afterwards they said "But you know how violent you are, Jennifer, we thought you'd hit him". But I'm not, I'm not violent, I've hit someone properly once and IT WAS SELF DEFENCE, and I bet they just wanted to dig their nails into my arm, because they don't like me. I have a tiny little funky gay pink plastic pony with a paper bow tie called Scorchio. He's groovy and I wanted to tell you all about him. Hugs, Jen Ps. I think this post took 15 minutes, but sorry if it's not good. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk Sun May 14 19:58:30 2000 From: amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk (amy_jackson0) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:58:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: dreams of pixie-cheeked trumpeters........ Message-ID: <001301bfbdd6$66b433c0$ec083c3e@tinypc> fellow sinisterines..... firstly, why is no-one posting anything anymore??? okay, so dear list mummy gave us a clip round the ear, but that shouldn't mean we have to shut up completely!! please, i need to read some good b&s related ramblings, and i'm sure you all do to, so please send some stuff.........*ahem*........ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~B&S CONTENT (sort of)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i start my higher exams in nine days, and have i done enough revision? nope, not a bit....this worries me slightly, as i kinda need to do well this year so i can have a stress free, laugh-a-minute sixth year, and i dunno what to do! my stress levels are sky high and i can't sleep, and when i do get to sleep i have incredibly strange dreams involving Mick, a red sofa and Haagen Dazs cookies and cream ice cream (*blush*)....if i had to write an imaginative story in my higher english exam, then i'd be fine, i'd just write about my dreams, but i can't!! it's all critical essays and textual analysis and interpretation of text etc etc and i have no idea what i'm going to do. maybe i should work in the Haagen Dazs cafe in the Odeon on the quay in glasgow??????? gotta live in glasgow first, d'oh! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~END OF CONTENT~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ anyway, i got my tix for titp, so i am all up for a picnic/pubnic (delete as appropriate), but as i have never been to a b&s piccy, never mind a festival, i have no idea how to organise etc, so maybe one of you, more mature and level headed members of the sinister massive want to sort everything out??? like where we can meet etc, cos i have no idea........what do you think? well, i'll be wearing a colourblind (tm) t shirt, either jeans or a long pink skirt and b&s badges and *maybe* a travis hat, so if you see me, come and say hello, i don't bite (well, not always)....... well, i'm sure that's all you can be bothered reading, take care of yourselves, and each other (eugh! bit of a jerry springer moment there!) littlebelle XXX +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From steven.kado at xxx.ca Sun May 14 20:01:55 2000 From: steven.kado at xxx.ca (Steven Kado) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:01:55 -0400 Subject: Sinister: forever, like anti-oxidants Message-ID: <002701bfbdd6$e03fecc0$0802a7d1@yesic.com> yes well, i bought legal man a few days ago...i guess its out in canada now. i hadn't heard it before, but be that as it may, i can't believe that it caused such a curfuffle in these parts...really, i mean selling out? what the hell? clearly people who find something terribly wrong with belle and sebastian putting out a fun single before their album are those who still believe in the mind/body dichotomy and resent that they cannot dwell exclusively in a world of 'clearly superior' ideas and thoughts alone. these are the same people who refuse to ever dance because they feel their above doing things like that because they might have 'fun' and 'fun' is evil because it isn't at all lofty or high and great but just sort of good.....these people are wack..... also, i got the chance to pull some illegal moves on the dancefloor to legal man last night, which was a nice cap on not sleeping for 48hrs ....yes, i also had a job interview at HMV during the peak of my sleep deprivation zombie mode, they asked me for 3 adjectives to describe myself and i looked totally confused for a while then said indecisive, slow-witted and that i couldn't come up with a third. it was terrible. grr, s t e v e n k a d o +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com Sun May 14 09:37:25 2000 From: jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com (Harry Hunt) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:37:25 +1200 Subject: Sinister: Harry does it properly Message-ID: <20000514194558.61445.qmail@hotmail.com> Robert Crumb, a man I've been promoting in the tape tree shenanigans, is still alive. Some people don't know this. He was once used as a mould for Groucho masks. Anyway, he once said something along the lines of "I'm really sick of hearing people's life stories, hopes and dreams." Not particularly poignant, but it inspired me to write, whilst not rattling on about the entire history of my life. Don't you love short blokes who witter? So sexy. For a bit, when I was 16, I tried on (it was a conscious decision) the adolescent depression and apathy thing. Listened to dire bands like Mr Big, and Ugly Kid Joe, wore denim, greased my hair so much it looked like an incapacitated flock of seagulls after an oil spill. I do have a point. Since then, I've been unable to appreciate beauty. I've gone all practical. This isn't what I wanted to become. I look at a tree, raining pink and white blossom, on a baking day, and there isn't even a ponk from the sugar beet factory, and it doesn't inspire or interest me one bit. Well, other than to write this mail. I consider myself a creative soul, but I'm fundamentally lethargic. I can be full of energy, and have loads of ideas, and patience, and feel ready to do things, like write that story down, or finish off those lyrics, but when I start it feels pointless. Not in the way of EVERYTHING being pointless, like some Camus wet dream, but it just seems like giving my brain a rest would be a better idea. My brain gets SO MUCH REST it's unbelievable. I've always thought my brain's all I've got going for me. I've got radioface, and desk-physique. Don't get me wrong, I haven't got low self esteem, I'm just comfortable with my...fallabilities* [*Reader : Delete that and put a better word please] I don't want to read a book on positivity, and come out of it blithe, and fake, and that. Music keeps me suspended in the good stuff, but I can't listen to music all the time or I'll get EMR poisoning. [B&S Content] Belle and Sebastian play nice music. [End of B&S Content] My picnic was nice. The second smallest Sinister picnic in the history of time. I'd just like to be less of a miserable epyx. I've no good reason to be unhappy, and I'm SURE some people think I do it on purpose to make myself seem deep, or get attention. Thanks for reading my tantrum. I'll keep you all abreast of my escape from Ennuitz. Love Harry +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From no_surprises_21 at xxx.com Mon May 15 03:35:49 2000 From: no_surprises_21 at xxx.com (Chris Heil) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:35:49 PDT Subject: Sinister: get your hands on a copy now! Message-ID: <20000515023549.92953.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello. I'm not sure when the release date is of the Legal Man single, I think it's in only a couple days. But for any fellow New Jersians, the Princeton Record Exchange..in..um..Princeton has the Legal Man single and has for a little while now. I'm not sure why they have it so early, I know none of the other independent record stores here have it yet. I think it's ok...a bit dissapointing..but I know the album will not be a let down. Strange that this ep doesn't come with lyrics..I guess you don't really need them. I was temped to buy the record too, but after hearing the version on the cd, I can't imagine the extended Judy Is A Dick Slap being much different. Winter Wooskie is nice. Additional note. Did anyone catch that news show Dateline, I think that's what it is called, on NBC. They had a segment of the show about becoming a model at 14 and eating disorders and all that good stuff. Anyway during the last few minutes of this segment She's Losing It was playing over and over again. Just thought I'd mention it. Bye. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From 50158120 at xxx.hk Mon May 15 05:20:58 2000 From: 50158120 at xxx.hk (Toby Chan) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:20:58 +0800 Subject: Sinister: alcoholic....kind of mood... Message-ID: <958364458.mailspinnerdV3.2.5.3@plsmtp.cityu.edu.hk> Jen said: >I think I'll chime in and say that the sinister t-shirt sounds grate, if it >ever gets to exist. Yeah, yeah and.... yeah! I am glad that the "Belle hugs a fox" Tee Shirt is SOLD OUT (i am not talking bout selling out, mate), which mean that it is a right choice to bought it earlier. Sinster Tee will be grate. may be it should be an up-side-down print. >I've been listening to The Queen is Dead for three hours now, on repeat, and >I like it. Some bands that you don't like at first end up being quite good it >you listen to them more, like Hefner, The Smiths and Salako, because I hated >them all at first. Salako is GRATE??? I ven't tried it. And The Queen is Dead IS GRATE!!!!! Every song desevre to release as sing or reckon as Killer B-side. I ve tried listening to "Seymour Stein" on a lonely Hong-Kong-to-Bejing 2hours flight, coz i miss the Wim Wender guest lecture in Hong Kong for a job. And, the more heartbreaking moment is to listen the whole "The Queen is Dead" again and again and again in random order with my bottle of Volka, my packet of Dunhill and my sadness. Legal Men is released? Really? oh God! Last nite I stay up all nite with a Hong Kong indie band Pancake's album , which will be re-release by Elefant, and The Man Who, Hateful of Hollow, Placebo and finally i can sleep with "Rank"..... The Boy Who, Toby Chan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From idleberry at xxx.com Mon May 15 10:20:06 2000 From: idleberry at xxx.com (idle berry) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 02:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: a rude thought Message-ID: <20000515092006.10588.qmail@web616.mail.yahoo.com> Hello everyone, hope you are all as well as me, but not recovering from flu. Sort of as well as me, anyway. Well, better than I feel actually, if truth be told. *snorts something about a bastard flatmate* So, we all listened to the Steve Lamaq/Stevie interview. I personally decided to listen, but changed the word "sond" for "balls" whilst doing so. And a few grammatical and linguistic changes. It made the whole evening more amusing. Steve lamaq saying they were going to play with stevies "balls" after a whip round the office deciding they were the best balls from Belle and Sebastain. And stevies utterances about how he hadn't paid Steve to play with his balls, and this wasn't a bribe or anything. And then steve sayign it was his favourite Belle And Sebastain Balls, and yes, all the balls were good, but these were his favourite. And then saying they were going to play with these balls for the listeners. And then the bit about playing with these balls on the bus outside the barrowlands a few years ago... Immature? moi? naturally. But it certainly livened up my evening. Decided that as annoying as legal man is, it is a grower. EVEN IF IT DOES SOUND LIKE A GAP ADVERT/EUROTRASH. And perhaps if we'd entered it into the Eurovision song contest it would have won. Balls down. I mean hands down. In a silly sort of way. Going to buy it anyway, as I want to hear the b sides. And it might work to listen to it while drunk, and believe it or not, I was not drunk when Ilistened to it, nor am I now. I am just in a silly and slightly merry without alcohol. *coughing fit induces* maybe its my punishment for saying balls too many times in one sinister post. Some people go blind, me, I just have coughing fits. So I've been busy revamping the old website, and added a new B+S vote poser, if anyone is interested. Please consider it, cos I love to see the way it goes, cos it never goes the way I expect it to go. And no, I don't rig the votes or anything. Also got an Isobel style file, if anyone cares. You probably won't but thought I'd ask anyway. As for honeys 15 minute rule. Methinks this should apply to foreplay as well, but that is beside the point. Anyway, back to my real point. Okay, I agree, but sometimes my favcourite posts to read are the short, to the point ones, rather than having to unravel long stories of how the point came about. Unlike this post, which is twisted up with ridicuolous banterings, as per usual. Now, I know I am an offender at posting crappy posts, and I would beg forgiveness, but hey, at least I know I'm in good company. Now I think we should drop the topic (well, I will anyway) cos I don't think it was required as a convcersation point. No offence taken Honey. I have Skin is as thick as two short slices of fruitcake. In the woods. Anyway, I'm going to end this now, I could tell you what I've done this w/e, but I don't think your interested. Okay, well, I went to a bbq, and read two novels and didn't get any course work done. Cherrypips, Idles kiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskiskis ===== http://www.geocities.com/idleberry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clb112 at xxx.uk Mon May 15 11:09:15 2000 From: clb112 at xxx.uk (clb112) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:09:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: ... Message-ID: <391FCCCB.B37B5BA5@york.ac.uk> I got sent my voice yesterday, so here it is... Oh dear, a thousand or so people are reading this so I'd better not say anything stupid :) YORK PICNIC Lots of cheeky pigeons tried to steal our food, but didn't like the strawberries. S***ING OUT When Hefner were selling fridge magnets at the gig in Cardiff I accused them of "going a bit commercial" and they pointed out that if they didn't sell magnets then they wouldn't have enough money to tour. BAND MERCHANDISE Apart from my Hefner fridge magnets (and Mogwai earplugs) I don't have any band merchandise. I feel silly in band T-shirts. Does anyone else ? Should I start wearing them so B&S/Hefner fans will talk to me ? Can you get Tim Buckley T-shirts ? LITTLE ANECDOTE I was walking up a hill lined on one side with a high brick wall, and a woman with one of those upright shopping trolley thingys that old people have (though she wasn't that old) was coming at me from the other direction. As I was nearer to the wall I stuck to it so there'd be room for us to both pass...but so did she...and very nearly ran me over with her trolley. "I DON'T THINK SO", she snarled, "YOU'RE YOUNGER THAN I AM". I wondered how she could be so bitter on such a nice sunny morning. Three points for discussion: 1) Why clatter about with a bulky shopping trolley obstructing rights-of-way when you could have a nice big rucksack on your back, safely out of everyone's way ? 2) When passing someone is being by the wall generally regarded as privileged position ? (and if so, why ?) 3) What's my age got to do with anything ? (20 yesterday, by the way. Spent the afternoon demonstrating my maturity by playing on the swings and seesaws in the park). I'm chained to a desk in the library till it closes at 10.00pm, so if anyone wants to send me funny emails at regular intervals throughout the day then please do. Lots of love Caroline xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Mon May 15 10:20:57 2000 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:20:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: London picnic, 20th May Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E22DB3B85@SERVER1> For anyone still confused: The picnic will be taking place in Greenwich at 2 pm on Saturday 20th May. The switch to Greenwich was necessitated by the fact that the majority of picnickers are likely to want to go to 2000 troubled teenagers, which is pretty close by in New Cross. I haven't yet given any details of exactly where the picnic will be as I'm not very good on Greenwich - big gay Martin posted a few days ago with details of where to meet, and I quote: Anyway Londoners see you on the 20th on Greenwich Hill for more picnicking mayhem...it's easy to find. It's right behind the observatory at the start of Blackheath Avenue on the following map (or email me if you want me to meet you at a station and hold your hand and hamper up the hill): http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=538750&Y=177250&zoom Hmm. Is the hill behind the observatory, or the meeting place? In the past, we've basically all headed for the highest point. Is this still the case, martin? And where will we meet if it's raining? Over to you (again), Martin... In any case, it's the perfect opportunity to meet all your favourite sinisterines. Apart from the ones who live in North Carolina. Feel free to bring non-sinister people - obviously they'll have to undergo the sinister initiation test, so get that life insurance premium in, but the more the merrier. The more things people bring to provide entertainment, the better - footballs, frisbees, stereos, guitars, hula-hoops, brown paper, pieces of string, the works. And food, of course - bring what you fancy and then maybe a little something to throw in the metaphorical sinister pot. If you fancy a small tipple, bouze is suggested as the perfect accompaniment to a gorgeous early summer's day. Just don't leave it anywhere near Lucy Alder. If things go pear shaped and it buckets it down, some lucky pub in the vicinity will gain a windfall of epic proportions. Is that enough? Probably for now. In the meantime, if I've forgotten anything or you have any questions, please mail me and I'll apologise/sort you aaht as much as I can. Big gay Mark xxx p.s. is that the sound of Paul Arathoon crying? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From scorn-pie at xxx.uk Mon May 15 12:33:50 2000 From: scorn-pie at xxx.uk (Viks) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:33:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Hint: Argos has a good range of Wendy houses this year... Message-ID: <000a01bfbe61$9fc5aaa0$5ae086d4@d.adam> Howdy all. ow. Sorry to start this with a moan but I have a severe case of mosh knee (logic: you get trench foot from hanging out in trenches too long therefore you get mosh knee from prolonged pit exposure) (You can get both at Glastonbury) Has anyone got a cure for this cause it hurts. It serves me right for trying to pretend to be a punk. Short and dumpy does not make other real proper punks go arrgh and run away. Anyhow, the capitalist bastards (boo) I work for won't let me go to any festivals this year, which means I can't live out my dream of pitching a Wendy house next to all those tents. Is there someone out there who owns a Wendy house and would actually try this? Although the chances of it being slashed are probably more. But only cause everybody would be really jealous and imagine! it would look so (I hesitate to use the t-word because of all the controversy its causing) um individual and you'd always be able to find it in a crowd. Um, sorry. Also I was really impressed with Harry Hunts use of the phrase >fundamentally lethargic and Jenowls mail rocks. After hearing legal man on MarkandLard during art class, teach was inspired enough to let us work outside , into the sunshine so to speak oh and this did take me 15 mins, honest. And I even used the spell checker (I had to teach it mosh because it kept suggesting mocha pit. yum) s.p. xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From the_fear66 at xxx.com Mon May 15 12:33:46 2000 From: the_fear66 at xxx.com (Matt Powell) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:33:46 GMT Subject: Sinister: London picnic, 20th May Message-ID: <20000515113346.70937.qmail@hotmail.com> hello there "Anyway Londoners see you on the 20th on Greenwich Hill for more picnicking mayhem...it's easy to find. It's right behind the observatory at the start of Blackheath Avenue on the following map (or email me if you want me to meet you at a station and hold your hand and hamper up the hill)" if that is indeed a quote from robinson then he has indeed confused more than informed has he not. i think what he meant to say was that we should meet in the picnic garden area of the cafe that is in the position he was attempting to describe (behind the observatory at the beginning of blackheath road). its a very quaint little place, and you know the biggest bonus this has over primrose hill? it has a little toilet, so no scampering off to the bushes for us alcoholics. a freshly cleaned (maybe) golden urinal (maybe again) awaits us instead. sorry, i get very excited by the prospect of clean bathrooms. and i've never even been to glastonbury. don't be scared though. its very easy to find. particularly for me as i live 5 minutes round the corner. as for alternative plans in the event of a downpour....well, i would suggest we scarper to the trafalgar tavern. its expensive, but its on the thames and can be very pretty. their shouldn't be anyone in there either, as they don't show the football.this is on park row, right near the river, off of trafalgar road near the national maritime museum. is that confusing? i'm confused so i don't see why anything i write shouldn't be. ta ra* matt (feeling strangely sober) *copyright A Penguin 1999 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin at xxx.uk Mon May 15 14:18:40 2000 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin Robinson) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:18:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: London picnic, 20th May (yet again... big yawn) In-Reply-To: <20000515113346.70937.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Well bleedin' heck if us Londoners can't even seem to organise a piss up on a bit of grass. And who's to blame? Me it appears. Ho hum... I seem to be being questioned by big gay Mark C, who I snogged the other day and he was rubbish, and some fop Drunken Matt who can't focus beyond the bottom of his pint glass. Actually while I'm mentioning people Cookie you're not welcome at this picnic you big Glaswegian nob end, if you come I will have to shove a metronome set to maximum cha cha up your pettite derrier and run you over with a flymo. Anyway, back to the point well only if your a Londoner and you love London town, if any of you are really confused about this picnic location mail me and I'll arrange to meet you somewhere close i.e not in Hicksville or wherever you live Mr Hewitt. But I will make you wear name badges and all hold on to a piece of string so I don't lose any of you and you'll have to call me "Sir". Anyone else who gets lost on the hill, a) has an extraordinarily bad sense of direction or has a name Steve often prefixed by "Carsmile", b) is already pissed which is fair enough, c) if they can make their way to a phone of some functional description phone me on 07968 369985 and I'll come and find you. If anyone wants to join my band of search party organisers for stray Sinister picniccers please apply to me at the usual address. Oh and if anyone wants to watch the football it will be shown in many nearby pubs and anyone turning up after the football can at least have the decency to be as drunk as everyone else. Or if you don't drink have eaten as many fairy cakes as Casarotto. It really is simple people. Like riding a bike. Or baiting a penguin. Or stalking leeks. Or ac. Ummm... anyone in London town on Friday I believe there is a Poetry Cafe extravaganza too as a pleasant picnic warm up. As for everything else it's your life so use it wisely. Te ra, Martin P.S I'm giving up smoking today anyone who can correctly guess how long I last wins a cigarette, if I haven't smoked it by then. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Mon May 15 14:09:16 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:09:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Caroline, Yes Message-ID: <802568E0.0048FFB5.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Caroline said: > Apart from my Hefner fridge magnets (and Mogwai earplugs) I don't have > any band merchandise. I feel silly in band T-shirts. Does anyone else ? Yes. For years I only ever wore my Smiths T-shirts as underwear. I hate wandering around town telling everyone "Yes, I am proud to be a bedwetter." Not that I was a bedwetter (props to real bedwetters, though), but I didn't want to have to go around proving this to everyone I met. Worse still would be to be wearing one in non-high street 'indie' environments, where the whole thing takes on the status of some kind of gang colour. I've never liked gangs. I have occasionally been known to wear a B&S T-shirt in public, but it's not brought me happiness. Oh, I lie. I love it. But I draw the line at badges. Joe Egg was on BBC London Live last night talking about 2000 Troubled Teenagers. It was in the gay entertainment zone hour. I seem to remember 200 Troubled Teenagers being listed in the gay section of Time Out. I'm not sure if this is because Joe is gay or because The Paradise Bar is usually gay or whatever. Anyway, it looks like BabyChrisCrystalBalls was right all along. DOUBLE ANYWAY, Joe did his best to explain to the presenter why B&S had a gay following and generally went on about why they had such an obsessive fanbase. Then he talked about the event and what a success it had been last time and how great the sequel would be. He said there'd be Crystal Tipps & Alistair videos, prizes for the person who bulit the best life-size models of the Velvet Underground in clay and something on stage which wasn't quite sorted out and was 'secret'. I very much doubt this will involve a surprise set by Belle & Sebastian, but you never know. Then they had Joanne Kinney (cover star of Tigemilk and Dog on Wheels) on the phone. That was kind of weird. Presenter: So, Joanne, you work for a major record company. What do you think about the promotion of pop stars as icons? Joannne: Actually, I work for an independent record company. Presenter: Oh, I'm sorry. Joanne: That's OK. [pause] Err... What was the question again? Presenter: It was 'What do you think about the promotion of pop stars as icons?' Joanne: Umm.. [talks about how B&S have a fairly low media profile] I haven't really answered your question, have I? Presenter: No, but that's OK. Joanne also talked about how she went to 200 Troubled Teenagers and how odd it was, like some kind of cult. She was asked if anyone recognised her and she said no. That was about it really. Then they had a competition to win two pairs of tickets and I won for knowing that Belle was a dog. Actually, I said she was a Pyrennean mountain dog, but I think they thought I was showing off. I'm not sure I can actually go to the thing (if someone in the know would like to tell me who the surprise stage guests are that would help me to make up my mind) so it was rather selfish of me to win, really. Thanks to Elisabeth for translating that interview. Isn't it amazing that Stevie speaks Norwegian! >"It's not like we try to keep up with the new musical >trends. Yesterday someone asked me what I thought of >Spearmint. >Spearmint! >He thought it was incredible that I hadn't heard about >them. Have you heard about Spearmint?" >-No >" Thank God! I thought it was just me!" >-What do you listen to? >" I like pop. And musicals. When I'm drunk I like to >do a couple of songs from "Guys & Dolls" and "West >Side Story". And I like Madonna. And Miles Davies. And >the Beatles. So I am not really down with the latest >trends. Yeah, me neither. I have a confession to make. I'm really quite prejudiced against Belle & Sebastian fans who *are* down with the latest trends. I don't mean wearing the latest hip-hop threads and all (that's jsut fine), but I just get a bit... queasy around people who are into loads of current 'indie' bands. I think this is a hang-up from the time I had completely lost interest in any new bands (96-97), turned off my radio and only listened to show tunes and Madonna. When I finally caught onto Belle & Sebastian in Summer 97 I was angry that all that shit indie had prevented me from hearing something truly startling earlier. I sometimes insist that Belle & Sebastain aren't an indie band at all, but maybe I'm just kidding myself. At the very least, they transcend the genre. I have a half-formed thesis about the development of indie, which involves accepting all those bands that bore me as belonging to a genre that's just not my cup of tea, much like swingbeat. The idea is to separate out all the people who are trying to do something interesting. In my scheme they don't belong to any genre at all, because that's the whole point. Like I say, it's a half-formed idea that's probably self-serving and meaningless. Comments welcome. Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From poetryplace2 at xxx.uk Mon May 15 15:47:04 2000 From: poetryplace2 at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Stevie_Trouss=E9?=) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:47:04 +0100 Subject: Sinister: walk like an egyptian Message-ID: <01bfbe7c$6f5c3800$0300a8c0@g5-200-3> Hello boys and girls Someone who clearly hasn't been listening to The Duke's advice on not referring to records before they are released is "Holy" Greil Marcus, who has taken time out from going on and on about Sleater Kinney to refer to the new B&S recording thusly: "9) Belle and Sebastian, "Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like a Peasant" (Matador) Myself, I'd prefer they walked like an Egyptian -- at least they couldn't maintain their coy folk melodies, their arch pre-Raphaelite narratives, if they had to do it at right angles." (http://www.salon.com/ent/col/marc/2000/05/15/top10/index1.html) What a card, eh? Come round here with that kind of talk and we'll détourn your bleeding situationist jacksie you old codger. Talking of old codgers, Nick Dastoor seems to be feeling his age all of a sudden doesn't he? "I feel queasy around people who are into loads of current bands". That seems to be the current musical policy at the Guardian doesn't it Nick? You and Tom Cox both waiting for the skiffle revival... In other news: Martin R mentioned activity at the Poetry Cafe this Friday. And yes indeed, Rabbit in Red, The Pines, a Boy called Thor and John Stammers will be entertaining the ineffectual metrosexuals in Covent Garden from 8pm in a papercuts-sponsored event. Email me for more details here: trousers at papercuts.co.uk That's it Stevie T xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From acook at xxx.uk Mon May 15 16:38:26 2000 From: acook at xxx.uk (Alasdair Cook MC1996) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:38:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Free Jenowl Ram! Keep on smiling and everything will be cool... Message-ID: <392019F2.1CF63569@cs.strath.ac.uk> Has anyone else noticed how June 5th will be the greatest day in the history of POP? Not only do wur ain B&S (copyright David Belcher, every review) release their breakthrough smash-hit album, but Magnetic Fields (I think) finally get a release date over here for 69 Love Songs, and Baxendale's (seminal. Perhaps) first album will be available for all you pop tarts. As if that weren't enough, the new Daphne and Celeste (official queens of P!O!P!, in my house anyway) single is finally out to warm our summer hearts and insult ugly people. You know, if someone were to tell me that the Visitors album is released that day as well I might just have to make June 5th national God Of Music Is Smiling On Me day. I never thought I'd be happy to see the rain, but this morning it came a pourin' down down down, after a week and a half of unseaonably (for Scotland) hot weather. I had gotten used to being permanently sweaty, then I was just wet. And now it's sunny again, so, er, yay probably. I'm so fickle. It was 19C last night at 1am, which is a bloody miracle. The sporting Gen said: > I blame this all on the alluring > Velocity..she's got me all a titter with talk of girl Sinister FC taking on > the boys. I keep trying to get more girls to play, but none ever do, much to my disappointment. However, I have been promised a game on the girls side, as long as Vel can find a dress to fit me. I bet the girls are better than the boys, anyhow. And prettier. Except Nick Dastoor, as no-one is better at footie or prettier than him. And that's a fact. Speaking of ol' mousy, he uttered: > I > blame Alasdair's malicious gossip after former listee Chris said: > pop down to london sometime, and say hello. I hear > that you have a scene down there, while ally or > someone agreed with me that in glasgow its just mostly > normasl people who like the music..... as opposed to > sequin studded TWEE folk. Aaah, I knew there had to be a reason why I keep coming down to see you London lot. It's not because I like you all loads, no no no, it's so I can laugh at you all behind your backs for being pretentious and TWEE and just generally all arseholes. Of COURSE! Mark was also heard to mutter: > If you make some sandwiches or bagels or, > heaven forbid, bring a camping stove, you're bound to get a big wet kiss > from Ally/Erica*, depending on your preference. > *subject to me not getting a clout round the earhole from one of the > aforementioned lovelies. No clouts forthcoming. Any plan that gets me more snogs is generally welcomed by me, although I'm not sure when I got promoted to the status of male Erica in terms of good-lookingness. An obvious oversight on Casarotto's part, I'll let it go for obvious reasons. If you're so very good looking then why are you on your own etc etc sob sob. (Is this pathetic attempt to win sympathy and friends fooling anyone? Anyone? Beuller? Sorry, Ian did that one didn't he?). Now here's Robbo: > Cookie > you're not welcome at this picnic you big Glaswegian nob end, if you > come I will have to shove a metronome set to maximum cha cha up your > pettite derrier and run you over with a flymo. Martin, if you even THINK about coming near me with a metronome OR a flymo I will shove my fist so far down your throat I'll be able to retrieve the remnants of last night's lasagna from your stomach. Which I will then take great pleasure in smearing all over your stupid, Morrissey-quiffed head. Not that I'm a violent man, but some people eh? Your turn, Martin. This morning, as I dragged myself out of bed after about 4 hours sleep, I sat up and through the haze of my half-closed eyes, a vision appeared before me. The words "What people used to eat" were just there, in front of my eyes, which was really fucking weird, but anyway the upshot of it all is that now I'm forced to do the first in an occassional series, entitled "What people used to eat." This week, "What people used to eat: During World War 2". Elspeth McIver of Clydebank recalls "I remember the bombs, you know? Yes, lots of bombs. And the planes. German, I think they were. Yes, German. What with the rationing we had in those days; we had rationing during the war, did you know that? What with the rationing, there were lots of things you couldn't get to eat. And sometimes a German pilot would crash-land in the town square. They were very tasty. A bit salty, mind, but substantial. We'd have a party in the square while we roasted the German over an open fire. Ah, those were the days. It was wartime, you see, so everyone just pulled together. Not like today's society, with these vandals who sit on my lawn. At least Hitler had the decency to kill himself." While Ronny Jones of Coventry says "I was stationed over in Egypt, you see. I fought in the Second World War. We won, did you know that? Against the Germans. And the Japs. Little slanty eyed beggars. Never trust a Jap, that's what I say! And look at me! Anyway, they have camels in Egypt, did you know that? They're very big are camels, lots of meat on them. Anyway, food was short, it was wartime you see, so we had to find alternative sources of nourishment. So what we did was, we ate the sand. Very good for you, sand is. Lots of protein. And there was plenty of it, so we never went hungry. It was wartime, you see, so everyone just pulled together. Not like today's society, with these vandals who sit in my shed. At least Winnie had the decency to defend Poland." Right, for anyone who's still reading, here is a transcript of some of B&S's press conference, as featured in The List magazine. Enjoy. Q: You're fond of Scotland, so how come you're holding this press conference in London? SM: To save you a train fare RC: No, he's from the list. SM: Sorry. If we were doing this in Glasgow you wouldn't get away with it. People would be like "who the fuck do you think you are?". Q: Your fans have a reputation for being scarily obsessive. Why? RC: Do these people look obsessive to you? (points to fans) Q: Er, no. A FAN (i.e. "Scary Obsessive" Casarotto): Your fans are obsessive because you're the best band in the world! Q: Why don't you do interviews? SM: We did a few right at the start and I did a few personally. I just kind fo went off the idea. I just didn't particularly enjoy them too much. Q: Why? SM: Well, talking about yourself is quite a weird thing to do. I felt like bit of an idiot. I think we've all been frustrated by talking openly to people and then what you've said being misinterpreted and put out of context. The only answer is simply not to do them. I think by inviting everybody here there is no way of what we say being misinterpreted because there are so many people here. Q:By being here rather than in Glasgow is this an concerted effort to get the attention of more people? To get bigger? To get on TOTP? IC: I'd love to be on TOTP. RC: Holding a press conference like this is just a good thing to do. Play a few records afterwards, get a little party going. MC: Also it's an obvious thing to do, all the press is here in London. It's practical. CG: Also I think if we did this in Glasgow we'd be perceived as being really awkward people. Q: Aren't you perceived as being awkward anyway? IC: We're not awkward people actually, we're just not puppets. There's a huge difference, you know. Q: Has it ever occured to you that by not playing the game, by not marketing yourselves, that this, and I'm not saying this is in any way deliberate, is how you are now marketed? MC: Well that is frustrating, if that is overshadowing the music. Speaking personally, if that is the case then I'm not pleased that that is what we're known for. Q: Where did the new album title come from? SM: The album title actually came from a piece of graffitti written on the back of a toilet door. It was 1986 and I was new to the college and new to the city and I thought: "Why should somebody write that? Is that from a book that I shoudl have read?" I was very impressionable at the time and it seemed like a really smart and serious thing; it really stuck in my head. Q: What's the get-up in the new press shots? (Photos of the band in aristocratic gear, Chris & Mick as Little Lord Fauntleroy types etc) Well, we spent quite a long time making the LP and recorded it in a fairly plush studio in a posh area of Glasgow and sometimes I'd pinch myself on the way to work in the morning. I feel incredibly privileged and ask what am I doing in this place that looks like Star Trek? We al feel privileged so that's maybe why I suggested everybody dress up in aristocratic gear. A FAN:(Do we know who? I think someone mentioned it but can't remember - AC) There is a song on the new album, 'Chalet Lines', and perhaps I'm being idealistic, but is it right that you as a man should be singing a song in first person about a woman being raped? SM: It's a story about somebody I worked with at Butlins years ago. I try to empathise, to fit it into a song. There's no more or less drama within the song, I think. That's as much as I can really say. Q: What about live dates? RC: We're working on that just now, we're taking our time, we've got to get the sound of it right, y'know. There's no definite dates right now. We want it to be spot on. MC: It'll be late summer. Q: Did you hear Steps, when receiving some awards for selling the most tickets or something, make a crack about "at least it wasn't B&S." What did you think of that? (I think Steps in fact thanked B&S for not being up for the award, if memory serves. It was for most albums sold I think. - AC) SM: It's a bit of a laugh, really. I haven't heard many of their records, but it strikes me they come from an older school of entertainment than the average boy or girl band. You'll probably take me out of context, but they're sort of freaks. They're a strange sort of holiday camp type thing. But y'know, good for them. They sell zillions more records than us. Q: If Steps are just entertainment does that mean you aspire to producing something higher? CG: Well, when you spend a year, a year and a half working on a record, you maybe hope that it's a bit less disposable than Steps, but that's no disrespect the fine productions of Pete Waterman. If you put that amount of your life into something you hope it's of some value. Obviously, you can't judge that yourself. SM: It's kind of up to you to decide what you prefer, because we do what we do because we enjoy it. We feel we have to do it, at least at some points we have to do it, we have to write songs, and of course for Steps it means as much to them. It's just you have to decide what you think. Q: Where does your obsession with buses come from? SM: Glasgow's got a great public transport system, the best in the world. Especially since First Bus took over from Strathclyde Buses it's been even better. You've got to experience it. If I've written about buses in songs in the past it's because I've spent a lot of time on buses, or I have done. It changed my life when I got my first bus pass (Roars of laughter around the room). You may laugh, but at the time I was on the dole and it made a big difference. Q: Why as a band do you come over as so fey and underachieving? RC: Leave it out with the underachieving; we've got a Brit award, mate. Mind, we probably shambled into that in an indie-like fashion. It's people reading into the music and people think that's what we're like. Which is fair enoguh, but personally, I'm not like that. Q: I heard a rumour you've been pictured in a leopard skin catsuit. Is this a homage to Rod Stewart? SM Yes, it was. I was thinking of making Christmas cards. It was years ago. There's a lovely picture of Rod. MC: It's on Blondes have more fun. SM: I've only seen a postcard of it. It's all this (gesturing the contours of a catsuit) with the horse and stuff. Great picture, y'know. So me and my friend Andrew trudged out on a freezing day, I had on leopard skin trousers and a denim jacket. We took pictures but they were all out of focus. I never made the Christmas cards. Q: There was an article in the Face recently saying contemporary music has little substance and nothing to say of social relevance. Do you think you have a responsibility to speak for people? SM: The only responsibility we have is to make good records. Well said sir. At last this post ends. Sod that 15 minute rule, this has taken me bloody ages to write and it's still rubbish. Alasdair xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Mon May 15 16:42:44 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:42:44 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Ol' dirty bastard Message-ID: <802568E0.00570262.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> >Talking of old codgers, Nick Dastoor seems to be feeling his age all of a > sudden doesn't he? Oh dear, yes you're right. What have I become? That didn't come across very well. I think queasy is a bit of a stupid word to have used. Tom Cox does like new bands though. It's just that they have to sound like they're 30 years old. Cotton Mathur, anyone? I like some current indie bands too. But I can only think of a handful other than Belle & Sebastian who are doing anything very vital. Let me try and explain things better. What I don't like is the assumption that because you think B&S are the bee's knees, you must be heavily into other current 'indie' bands too. I wish I could have followed Simon Reynolds ( http://members.aol.com/blissout/bio.htm) into his 'right, alternative music is ossifying - I'm off to rave culture' re-invention. But I'm not at home there either. I'm just an indie-kid plagued with self-contempt, that's all. Ignore me. Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Mon May 15 16:43:42 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:43:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Ol' dirty bastard Message-ID: <802568E0.005718CB.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> >Talking of old codgers, Nick Dastoor seems to be feeling his age all of a > sudden doesn't he? Oh dear, yes you're right. What have I become? That didn't come across very well. I think queasy is a bit of a stupid word to have used. Tom Cox does like new bands though. It's just that they have to sound like they're 30 years old. Cotton Mathur, anyone? I like some current indie bands too. But I can only think of a handful other than Belle & Sebastian who are doing anything very vital. Let me try and explain things better. What I don't like is the assumption that because you think B&S are the bee's knees, you must be heavily into other current 'indie' bands too. I wish I could have followed Simon Reynolds (http://members.aol.com/blissout/bio.htm) into his 'right, alternative music is ossifying - I'm off to rave culture' re-invention. But I'm not at home there either. I'm just an indie-kid plagued with self-contempt, that's all. Ignore me. Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Mon May 15 16:44:54 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:44:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Ol' dirty bastard Message-ID: <802568E0.00573650.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> >Talking of old codgers, Nick Dastoor seems to be feeling his age all of a > sudden doesn't he? Oh dear, yes you're right. What have I become? That didn't come across very well. I think queasy is a bit of a stupid word to have used. Tom Cox does like new bands though. It's just that they have to sound like they're 30 years old. Cotton Mathur, anyone? I like some current indie bands too. But I can only think of a handful other than Belle & Sebastian who are doing anything very vital. Let me try and explain things better. What I don't like is the assumption that because you think B&S are the bee's knees, you must be heavily into other current 'indie' bands too. I wish I could have followed Simon Reynolds (http://members.aol.com/blissout/bio.htm) into his 'right, alternative music is ossifying - I'm off to rave culture' re-invention. But I'm not at home there either. I'm just an indie-kid plagued with self-contempt, that's all. Ignore me. Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bellezc at xxx.com Mon May 15 21:14:49 2000 From: bellezc at xxx.com (zoe charaktinou) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:14:49 PDT Subject: Sinister: of none importance Message-ID: <20000515201449.33569.qmail@hotmail.com> hello sinisterland... wow!i haven't been in here for ages.when love hits you in the face and you go home where technology doesn't exist this is what happens. if anyone is interested i went to a B&S party in athens and there was another one happenning after my departure. 'twas ok,even though my friends wanted to leave.oh well... so what the flip's going on?sell out and bollocks like that. grow up you people! i can't wait for the new stuff. i haven't heard anything yet,i know nothing... i won't say anything more,i agree with Michelle. anyway,i really don't have important stuff to say-sorry honey. just wanted to say hello 'cause i've been away for a while and i missed you all.... stop being grumpy and love the band and the music....you are far too intelligent... i love this place... go on,spit your guts out!!!!!!!! bye bye,love you all!!!ZOE,the greeky is back... ps.i've got a brand new huge house for next year in the paradise of the midlands:DUDLEY.... do come,there is a nice park for pic-nics..... tera ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Mon May 15 21:20:59 2000 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:20:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Surf's Up Message-ID: <000101bfbeab$243680e0$4c2d073e@default> Hi Fragrant Ones, If you missed Stevie being interviewed on Radio 1 last week you can listen to him here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/media/djs/lamacq/belleandsebastian.ram The Jeepster Belle & Sebastian News page http://www.jeepster.co.uk//belleandsebastian/news/index.shtml has info on the promotion of the new releases (Legal Man video on Channel 4, Club Promotion evenings, etc.) There are also links to reports of the recent Q&A session, for those of us not sequinned enough to have been there in person. If you like any of the Beach Boys, Neil Young or The Flaming Lips try the new Grandaddy album (The Sophtware Slump) as its a great thrashing romp for the summer, with added pretty bits. Shares some themes & stylistic traits with Looper as well. Alternatively, be cool & dismiss as sub Pixies toss :) Wearing Band T-shirts can be good for a laugh when people strain their eyes to check the name of the new designer they've never heard of before. Maybe see some of you later this week, Love & Peace, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From feather-boa at xxx.com Mon May 15 22:36:02 2000 From: feather-boa at xxx.com (feather boa) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:36:02 -0700 Subject: Sinister: the model and legal man. Message-ID: 'ello it's me again. i went to where it's at on saturday nite and they played the model. i danced enthusiastically, but was not joined by the rest of the club who looked a bit bored, and were really waiting for them to play another old punk band. i probably looked a bit poncey because i already know all the words *s* does anyone else think there should be a ymca style dance to legal man? see l - you stick your arms up in the air, o - arms down circling in in a classic "strong man" pose (oh the irony), v - arms up again. then there's the question of e, how can we represent this without looking like idiots? answers on a postcard. if i don't get lost i'll be at the london picnic, see you there. pip pip, FB X *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. http://www.chickshops.com boutique shopping from chickclick.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stray4f at xxx.net Mon May 15 23:13:41 2000 From: stray4f at xxx.net (===) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:13:41 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Surf's Up Message-ID: <200005152213.SAA27226@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Ah, yes, Grandaddy. The new record "The Sophtware Slump" is out in the UK and getting great reviews, and it is due to be released in the US in early June. I just directed the first video for it, for "Hewlett's Daughter" which won't be out until mid June at earliest. Just prior to shooting that one I helped Stevie realise his visions for "The Wrong Girl" shooting the video in Glasgow in late April with most of the band's help. We edited it in Portland a few weeks ago as mentioned by Mick on this list, and I expect it will be released sometime after the video for "Legal Man" has conquered the airwaves. Jeepster are very good about keeping the fans informed of any showings of videos, but if I happen to hear of anything I will mention it to the list as well... Enjoy the Spring, Lance Bangs ---------- >From: "David Moore" > > If you like any of the Beach Boys, Neil Young or The Flaming Lips try the > new Grandaddy album (The Sophtware Slump) as its a great thrashing romp for > the summer, with added pretty bits. Shares some themes & stylistic traits > with Looper as well. > > Alternatively, be cool & dismiss as sub Pixies toss :) > > Love & Peace, > > David Moore > Chelmsford, UK > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From idleberry at xxx.com Tue May 16 12:46:14 2000 From: idleberry at xxx.com (idle berry) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 04:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: tempers brewing Message-ID: <20000516114614.7481.qmail@web614.mail.yahoo.com> hello all, where do I begin? well, right now I'm supposed to be seeing my lecturer for some advice, and hopefully help. But shes busy, so I might go and see her later. I sat on the bus today. I felt on the verge of tears. I do sometimes when I'm alone with a problem to solve, and not the sort of problems you get from text books. But I looked out the window and tried to put it out of my head. I could alomst still hear him shouting. Him, my flat"mate". Him, the bastard. I spent the night at a friends place. It wasn't ideal, it wasn't what I had planned. This is my last week of classes, and I have some translations and an essay due in, plus my exams start next week. I tried to get on with some work, and I did, actually, I got quite a bit done. Not all of it, but a bit. My dad called me, my boyfriend called me, and my best friend called me. She said she'd tried to call my house, but they told her I was an ex tennant and had gone for good. She was going to have a go at them, shes like that, a lovely person, but shes great when it comes to the snarling bit and putting people in their place. My other friend let me stay at hers after I called her last night. I'd been sitting on my porch, which goes into my room. My bedroom door was locked, I didn;'t want anyone near me. Least of all him. I called her, cried down the phone. I think I looked a mess, mascara all over the place. I really ought to invest in something waterproof. She came over and helped me pack a few things. We sat on my bed, chatting for a bit, sharing my last cigarette. Lots of hugs. I needed hugs. My dad called, and wanted to know what had happened. I'd only spoken to my mum and brother before that, he wasn't home from work yet, you see. I'd been sitting on the porch since the people came to view it. They saw me afterwards, but politely ignored my sniffles and tears. Maybe you would too. They came to view the house after it all happened. Almost as exactly as they had knocked on the door, to be exact. Great timing. My flatmate lost his temper last night. He threw something at me. He said I was abnormal human, I was a freak. It all happened that morning. I was just leaving, and he said they had people viewing at four o clock, to leave my door unlocked to my room, so they could show them around. I said I'd be back by then, locked my door anyway. I've lost my cash card and specs you see, and I didn't want anything else to get up and walk. And besides which, my room was a mess. Nobody goes into my room unless I let them, and its tidy. I wasn't back. university things to do. Things to sort out. You know how it is, maybe? So he screamed at me. I told him he should have given me more warning. He'd had all weekend. He said I was pracing about, in my room. I was in my room, but I told him I wanted to get my degree, if he hadn't noticed, but it was the end of term. I told him I wasn't answering to him, I wasn't there to do that. He called me a freak, saying I spent all my time in my room. I do, but thats my progative, don't you agree? Then he picked up something, and threw it at me. It missed, hit the door. The other flatmate, for all he won't get involved, let it happen. Didn't say a thing, lift a finger. I was fuming, but the minute I left and went into my bedroom, I felt afraid. When I went to my friends place, I was angry. I wanted to go back and slash his precious bike tyres. He loves that bike. Keeps it in the living room (despite the fact that we have a shed) and washes it in the bath. Other folk take rubber ducks, maybe a sailing boat in the bath, he takes his bike. I was so angry. My dad called him, and threatened to call the police if Andrew so much as laid a finger on me. Andrews response was it was empty threats. My dad told him just to try and see. He told him that its not right for a twenty year old man to start throwing his weight around like that, behaving like an animal, like a spoilt brat. Andrew didn't see why I was scared or upset. My dad told Andrew to try it in my shoes. Andrews nearly twice my weight, and a good foot taller than me. He told him to call and appologise. He told him to leave me in peace, to let me get on with my life as I wanted to, to ignore me. As my wise friend said, he was sharing a house, not renting a friend. As I said to her, he couldn't pay me enough to rent me as a friend. So what do I do today? well, I might go and see about alternative accomodation. There must be something they can do on campus for me. But my dad would prefer if I tried and stuck it out. I might call the letting agency and let them know that hes agressive and intimidating. But what will they do? his word against mine. And I'm sure my other flatmate will happily take his side. What I wanted most was to speak to someone. and shes busy. what I want is to sort out this situation I am in. Maybe I could pretend I was in the circus, throw daggers at the bastard. I dunno. Also, going to buy tigermilk for my friend who helped me out. as a thankyou. ===== http://www.geocities.com/idleberry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Tue May 16 13:16:29 2000 From: ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:16:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Not really worth reading to be honest Message-ID: <39214A2D.15792.1367AD@localhost> Hey Kids! Snow Patrol were on Mark and Lard's Pop Upstairs Downstairs last night, and they won. Props to them for being so well turned out, they really looked quite respectable. They were all as well scrubbed and fresh faced as matron when she went to Beachy Head. This morning I recieved my free "Inventor's Kit" that I'd phoned up for after seeing an advert for it on telly. It's not as impressive as it sounds. Just a laminated piece of nonsense about how important inventing things is - "We need inventors. We need people like you." - and two sheets of paper, one for you to write about what your invention is, and the other, covered in handy squares, for you to draw your invention on. Does anyone have any ideas for an invention I could send off to these people? The more rubbish the better, I think. Like an inflatable toaster, or a cardboard dog. The future needs inventors like me. Robin x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From blue1 at xxx.com Tue May 16 14:10:08 2000 From: blue1 at xxx.com (maria) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 06:10:08 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Picnic in Helsinki: Be There Or Be Somewhere else. Message-ID: Hello List, I emerge from lurkedom to let all the Finnish list members (all 4 of them, I suppose. we are few...) know that in honour of the International Sinister picnic day on the 20th me and Jarkko and possibly a few others are going on a Sinister picnic of our own and everyone is welcome to join us. On a London picnic a year ago I observed, eavesdropped and took notes of how it's all done professionally and it appeared very simple. All you need is booze and food and a ball you can aimlessly kick around. And a donkey on wheels apparently. Basically, everything will do. Also, if you like you can bring me presents since it's my (and Morrissey's too) birthday on the 22nd :o) So if you'd like to come and spend a lovely (almost) summer's day with us mail Jarkko and he'll give you the details as to where and when 'cause I haven't the faintest. Right-o. That's all from me for now. Byee! Love, Maria *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. http://www.chickshops.com boutique shopping from chickclick.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From headache68 at xxx.com Tue May 16 17:10:59 2000 From: headache68 at xxx.com (dylan m.) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:10:59 GMT Subject: Sinister: I'm out! Message-ID: <20000516161059.70441.qmail@hotmail.com> Now that Im a dandy little debutante and fresh out of the nursery, i should introduce myself. My name is dylan, im from the states, iowa actually. and ive listened to b&s for a year now (i KNOW.. im not nearly as hardcore as you). B&S are very special to me. there was a time in my life when the sun did not shine so brightly. blah blah ..i was very unhappy, until i came across a B&S mp3 on the internet. I was in love again. THe clouds parted and the birds flew in to chirp the melody of The state i am in. Needless to say I quickly bought tigermilk and smiled for weeks. dylan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clb112 at xxx.uk Tue May 16 18:22:35 2000 From: clb112 at xxx.uk (clb112) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:22:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: This might make you puke... Message-ID: <392183DB.C3280DD4@york.ac.uk> Making eachother fall off the four-seater seesaw. Putting all our daisy chains together into one big one. Swinging in those swings with safety-basket seats for kids while I can still fit. The five of us (one other girl and three boys - the gang I never had at school) lying in an inward-facing star formation. Pooling hair accessories so we can do the long-haired boy's hair up like a girls (which he loves really). A butterfly stomach from the swirly start of "Sleep the Clock Around". Or it might just be from seeing the boy I'm in love with drumming the grass to it (only him and me knowing the song cos the others don't really listen to B&S, and happy to not tell him for the time being because we're very much a five). Knowing that this kind of stuff can't last for much longer (but long enough to see the sun do a full arch). Sorry, can't help it, the blossom on the ground made me do it. Caroline xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.org Tue May 16 19:10:15 2000 From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:10:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Tomorrow - Wednesday - for UK TV watchers Message-ID: Passing this on from Katrina at B&S Central. I believe the video might feature Isobel with a gun and some transvestites. Bless. Honey x ---------- Forwarded message ---------- can you please let people know that the video for 'legal man' will be shown on the jo whiley show tomorrow (wednesday 17/05) night, i think it starts around 11.30pm and will also be on videotech next week, not too sure what date/time but it's on itv. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From whatev at xxx.com Wed May 17 00:06:22 2000 From: whatev at xxx.com (Steven) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:06:22 -0400 Subject: Sinister: come out come out Message-ID: <000d01bfbf8b$5b7029e0$f25b5acf@en.com> Hi All, I've found some more writing on B&S at the gay bookstore where I work. This time it's not from one of the porno mags but from one of the more "respectable" ones. Now even all you youngins can run out and buy it! But I figured most of you won't be out asking for the new issue of Out(it's the June issue in case you do) so I've copied the article below for you. Quite an interesting one too. What do the rest of you queers think? Anybody know what's up with Stuart and Isobell then? I want gossip, damnit! I need to know who's sleeping with whom. Nice photo of Stuart from some concert too. "La Vie Est Belle And Sebastian Meet the elusive darlings of indie pop: eight Scots who sing about being a queer, in all sensed of the word. We just can't help it. Despite the fact that Scottish septet Belle and Sebastian shun any and all publicity, obsessed critics and fans-legions of them gay and lesbian-continue to swoon over these unlikely pop stars, particularly waifishly beautiful lead singer-songwriter Stuart Murdoch. What's driven so many queer music lovers into the frail arms of this ex-choirboy who's been favorably compared to Nick Drake, Donovan, and Morrissey? Besides having a "wee bottom", as it was recently praised on a fan webpage, the 31 year old singer delivers soothing, heavenly vocals so fey they make Rufus Wainwright seem like Meatloaf. And though Murdoch isn't gay himself(he used to date band-mate Isobel Campbell), it's clear from his lyrics that he either hangs out with a lot of queers or, for whatever reason, deeply identifies with us:"My brother had confessed he was gay/It took the heat off me for awhile," he sings in "the state I am in" from the band's flawless 1996 debut, Tigermilk. "She's Losing It," also from Tigermilk, is a better dyke anthem than anything Melissa Etheridge has ever written. And "Seeing Other People" from the equally exquisite follow-up, If You're Feeling Sinister, can easily be interpreted as the story of a young closet case. In general, the band's lyrics tend to switch pronouns midway through songs, so that just about everyone seems to be bi. One popular single, "Lazy Line Painter Jane" flips chorus from "you will have a boy tonight" to You will have a girl tonight" in the blink of an eye. The group's new, mysteriously titled Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like a Peasant, is a graceful recovery from its one uneven release, 1998's The Boy With The Arab Strap. Out of 11 songs, eight are perfect, and there's only one flat-out dud(the biblical "beyond the sunrise"). The overall sound of the record is a kink of sophisticated easy listening, with apparent Carpenters and Simon & Garfunkel influences, and grandiose flute, violin, and trumpet parts. The obvious hit single is "woman's realm" a head bopping duet between Murdoch and Campbell that encompasses everything a Belle and Sebastian song can be: It's sweet as a peach, with a driving piano beat, hand claps, a catchy-as-hell hook, and evocative, whimsical lyrics. Gay characters aren't as evident on Fold Your Hands; instead, the band seems preoccupied with feminist issues. She may have a breathy baby voice, but Campbell sounds adamant in "family tree" when she sings, "if you're looking at me to start having babies/Then you can wish because I'm not here to fool around." The saddest and most shocking cut is the haunting "the chalet lines", on which Murdoch sings from the point of view of a girl who's been raped-a subject hinted at on previous albums but never addressed this bluntly: "he raped me in the chalet lines/I had just said no for the final time.../She asked me why I don't tell the law/Oh what's the fucking point at all." It's the darkest Belle and Sebastian song yet, and all around the world hearts are breaking."------by Amy Kellner Till next time, Steven +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Tue May 16 23:54:08 2000 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:54:08 -0400 Subject: Sinister: second generation, i'm a soldier at thirteen Message-ID: <003401bfbf89$d7c06c00$50b690cf@woody> uhhhhh knock knock? (the sounds of blake's hands on old soaked up oak reverberate throughout the list...) ok so i'm back. again. school is really a hassle. so much in fact that i had to unsubscribe back in uhhh, february i think. i hope there are persons out there who sort of remember who i am. that's alright. i'll go ahead and re-introduce myself to the list, very quickly. i am: blake i like: spaghetti o's i play: melodies in my closet i sing: in the shower, but with the bathroom door ajar i dig: roger daltrey's vocals and john entwistle's aeeeeroplane. i'm dubbed: the nerdy shy-eyed pacifist ok that's enough for now. actually, i'm composing this and hoping it won't get bounced back to me because of the whole nursery debacle. i'm still just a child though, i swear. so on with it... ("on with it!") b&s content... ok so i'm not sure what the discussions have been about. hopefully about the new music that's set to come out oh so soon. i've heard legal man. just the song. the wonders of napster. i think it's pretty good. it sounds like a commercial in some ways. the sitar reminds me of my early beatles days. i think volkswagon will ring struan soon and ask for it to be used on one of those new beetle ads. by the way, is the new vapor commerical done by stereolab? the song, not the advert, silly. i haven't heard the dick slap song but the title scares me. not that i don't enjoy smut. i love smut. i hope isobel sings THAT one. oh lordy. if anyone wants to bring me up to snuff on what's been happening. i recall broadcasting the same plea upon my first return, and not receiving a single mail. such a travesty. i do know stuart d's out of the band. hey, can i join then? hello to everyone who's 'still around'...hope to hear from you soon! happy bedwetting! blake the nerdy shy-eyed pacifist the updated worry sack: http://members.tripod.com/nucleartrout +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sxi2590 at xxx.edu Wed May 17 01:16:53 2000 From: sxi2590 at xxx.edu (sxi2590 at xxx.edu) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Surf's Up Message-ID: <499363954.958522613625.JavaMail.sxi2590@mailhost.njit.edu> David Moore : >If you like any of the Beach Boys, Neil Young or The Flaming Lips try the >new Grandaddy album (The Sophtware Slump) as its a great thrashing romp for >the summer, with added pretty bits. Shares some themes & stylistic traits >with Looper as well. the new grandaddy album is by far the best i've heard this year. although, i should admit that i haven't bought that many albums but still it's quite good. i know this is short notice but if you live in the nyc area, grandaddy is playing tonight at the mercury lounge. after that, they're leaving for the other side of the pond. there are still tickets left for tonight's show so you should check them out if you're free. if anyone spots me, come say hi and i'll buy a round. i'll be the asian guy wearing a purple sweater. also, i know there are at least a few elliot smith fans out there. he's playing the 17th through the 19th. i have tix for friday which is sold out but last i checked, tomorrow and thursday are still open. mostly harmless, david +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.edu Wed May 17 03:51:54 2000 From: ynoh at xxx.edu (Youn J. Noh) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: Free Jenowl Ram! Keep on smiling and everything will be cool... In-Reply-To: <392019F2.1CF63569@cs.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi there Sinister, Props to Alasdair for posting the transcript of the press conference. This is my favorite part (and the part about the bus pass). > SM: The album title actually came from a piece of graffitti written on > the back of a toilet door. It was 1986 and I was new to the college and > new to the city and I thought: "Why should somebody write that? Is that > from a book that I should have read?" I was very impressionable at the > time and it seemed like a really smart and serious thing; it really > stuck in my head. Isn't it nice to imagine Stuart wandering around the university, looking grave and impressionable? I like the way Stuart recounted it; clearly everything I said in my previous post about Stuart not being reconciled to his past is nonsense. Most everything he says seems full of good sense and not pretentious and gentle and friendly. Even when he curses. I ordered "Legal Man" online. I haven't been to any record stores in my neighborhood. I think it's because I feel too old. Young people today are too cool to be awkward like indie(?) kids used to be in the past. That's what happened in the transition from minority to majority status: the difference between the eighties and the nineties. And in the aughts will it get any better (or no worse)? On Sunday, I went to the store and saw a really nice looking boy. He was carrying a carton of orange juice. He had on a navy blue jacket and an orange T-shirt. He was really pale and had dark hair and the nape of his neck looked really delicate. It would be like kissing the creamy petals of some flower. Oh, if I could seem him every Sunday, how happy I would be! On Monday, he officially called her "my girlfriend". Is it incredibly naive to have believed that he could live alone with her and not be with her? Robin's posts always seem to be out of the twenties or thirties when people rode bicycles with one huge wheel and one small wheel and most everybody lived in a small town and there was this grocer boy and a village green and bright sunshine and walking by the river, sort of like the "Rico and Fergus in Ayr" picture. Fergus - a very proper name. All right. Good-bye for now. Youn +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Wed May 17 07:06:04 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:06:04 +1200 Subject: Sinister: I got dem "can't get no Legal Man single" blues again Message-ID: <002e01bfbfc6$20e56e80$106137d2@computer> Are any other overseas fans going nuts over not being able to get a copy of "Legal Man"? I kinda assumed Jeepster would have all their stuff sorted out so that you'd be able to pre-order the single, and get it on its release day, or thereabouts. Except that the May 12th deadline is now well and truely gone, and their shop is STILL offline. I'm a web designer myself, so I know how much checking these things need before they can "go live", but it's not like jeepster have relesed anything for the last six months, so why they have to do their changes right now is beyond me. So I sold my soul and ordered it off Amazon. (I always swore that I would ONLY EVER buy records off Jeepster ....), and now Amazon say its not coming out until June 6th ... which is clearly bollocks because people on this list already have it. It's enough to make you drop down on your knees and shake your first at the sky. (sigh ....) Well, rant over ... I feel like I'm the only person on the list who hasn't heard the single, and that makes me sad. Lawrence +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lucy.alder at xxx.uk Wed May 17 10:55:34 2000 From: lucy.alder at xxx.uk (Alder, Lucy) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:55:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Bi-labial fricatives Message-ID: <1EC8C16BC185D311ACB90008C7C563F3353483@gblon1c3ex1.wcom.co.uk> This morning I heard Sir Bob Geldof launching a survey to find the nation's favourite word. The presenters on the Today Programme (dammit, just revealed myself as a Radio 4 listener) did their best to crack jokes about the likelihood of the Favourite Word being 'fuck' or 'shit' or 'cunting' without actually saying those words, because it's Radio 4 and they can't and it's ho-ho-hilarious, isn't it? I mean, it's not even as if they can say F___ or S___ or C___ing like the NME used to. Still, it got me thinking, which is quite an achievement at that time in the morning. I even got my dictionary down from the shelf to find out how to spell 'mimsy' but it wasn't there. Isn't 'mimsy' a word? I thought it was. The closest I could get was 'mimosacious', which means 'like mimosa' but it's not really a contender. My favourite word of all time... ever! comes from my least favourite of languages. The gutteral utterances of the Germanic tongue give me the willies, but its one redeeming feature is 'meerschweinchen'. The fact that it means 'guinea pig' is definitely in its favour, but just try saying it. Go on... Isn't it great? LONDON BIT I could dance all night like I'm a soul girl but I'm going to restrain myself until Friday when my favourite groovin' go-go Da Doo Ron Ron is happening. If all you spinners, shufflers and headnodders aren't too worn out by the goings on at the pocaff that evening, I'd love for you to follow me there. It's at the Highbury Garage, finishes at 3 and I'll be dancing fairly restrainedly because I fell over in a puddle of beer last time. Juicy Lucy ps. there's a 5-day forecast for London here: http://www.met-office.gov.uk/sec3/sec3.html Looks like we might see the sun on Saturday, but the grass will be damp. -- This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Wed May 17 11:53:28 2000 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 03:53:28 PDT Subject: Sinister: What the hell is that drunken sailor doing here? Message-ID: <20000517105328.34677.qmail@hotmail.com> Ok, enough nonsense, on to the Point now: MEET- UPS My far much better and prettier half, Maria, said this: >eavesdropped That's a big word, ain't it? I remember back in high school we used to get extra points if we used words like that. That also reminds me of the former coach of IFK Helsinki whose name was Mike Eaves, but that's another matter. Then she went on about our very own meeting in Helsinki on the 20th and said: >Also, if you like you can bring me presents since it's my (and >Morrissey's too) birthday on the 22nd. Which was kind of a let down for me: It seems she's only in it for the money (arf arf) and goodies. BOWLIE KIDS Let's get serious for a moment. I believe it was Nick Dastoor who wrote something about indie chicks and boyz who "dig" these not-so-well-known-and-new indie bands just to show off, and that how he isn't that crazy about these people (correct me if I'm wrong). Well, let me quote Darren from Hefner once again. This is what he said: >Well its true, people who know about lesser, more obscure bands are >more >'in' it proves they love music more. I do it all the time and I >know I'm right. To prove it I'm listening right now to the >Extra-glens. You know, that's what indie-dicks usually think. I myself, for god's sake, seem to think that way sometimes. It's just that you can feel groove listening to your 7- inch singles and NOT mention you listen to groove 7- inch singles every 30 seconds. Ok, I ordered And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of The Dead two weeks ago and got the cd. It's Great. But do I wonder around the streets of Helsinki and boast about it? Hell no. I think there's about 15 people in Finland who know about that band, but I feel no need to show how "in" I am just because I have it.* Take vinyl, for example. I personally think vinyl is nice but shit at the same time: Ok, the sound might be better, but hey, I don't want to get off my lazy ass in the middle of the album. And if the second song on the album is crap, I'll just press the button and swoosh, song number three is on. Who I really hate are these snobbish collectors (like you can read/see in High Fidelity) that think it's somehow "cooler" to collect vinyl rather than cd's. Phleeaaze. As long as the music comes out of my speakers, that's enough for me. And the whole word "Indie" gives me the creeps. A few years back indie was used to describe a band which had a deal with an independent recordlable. These days it's a band which: a) recordsales are lower than low b) complains about how stupid THE PUBLIC is since they haven't sold more than 200 cd's to us indie-dicks. And I STILL think Aqua is better/more close to people than B&S because they sell more albums. Ooh, these people here are staring at me with their evil eye. I'd better get back to work. Oh, my poll will be running for two more days at http://www.bspoll.freeservers.com ,then I'll give you the official results. @--->--- JAke Le PetitE. "Have I ever had bad sex? No, but my girlfriend has." -Jake Le PetitE. Oscar Wilde, move over. *That was just an example, so I had to mention I bought AYWKUBTTOTD to you lot. I wasn�t showing off. But I quess you knew that. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From paularathoon at xxx.com Wed May 17 12:20:09 2000 From: paularathoon at xxx.com (Paul Arathoon) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:20:09 BST Subject: Sinister: steven wells, nME and a bollocks article Message-ID: <20000517112009.62594.qmail@hotmail.com> So, There it was Stuart on the NME's front cover. I buy it. I read the interview. I get angry. In 1500 words Steven Wells does the following. Insults the band for a number of reasons: Apparantly the fact that B&S want to make music rather than stand on a soapbox means they should have stayed in their bedroom. I tkae issue with this because I don't always want politicisation and furthermore I don't think their music would actually suit a hardcore political stance (unsurprisingly). He accuses the band of "peddling inarticulate self-satisfaction". hello, has he bothered to listen to any of the songs at all...He actually later admits that he never has liked the music. so why did he do the interview? His main thesis here is that the kids are finding "new and radical ways" to fight against the "McFuture" and that all B&S do is write songs. I take it Mr Wells is referring to the recently discovered new way of showing frustration. the street protest. Apparantly, the fact that B&S have private jokes that no one else understands also irks him. He attacks for the fans for, well basically for loving and believing in a band. Oh and for being inarticulate, deranged etc. Hey he even namechecks The Sinister List. "B&S are also self-concious which is intellectual laziness combined with snobbish elitism....." He doesn't think that maybe they are just a bit shy and introspective. Apparantly B&S aren't as good as ADF, Manics or Oasis becuase B&S' "self-conscious ideology is not in conflict with their showbiz reality". whatever the fuck that means. And I wouldn't say that any of the above bands are self-concious. In any way. read the article for yourself. It pissed me off. Maybe I am not detached enough. maybe I love B&S too much to be objective but I know crap desparate journalism when i see it. Paul p.s nice photo of Katrina though ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hewits at xxx.uk Wed May 17 12:21:37 2000 From: hewits at xxx.uk (stephen hewitt) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:21:37 +0100 Subject: Sinister: L O V E love is coming back it's coming back Message-ID: <9188A3453EEED111BD7300805FEDEB690125A280@park_ex> It suddenly struck me about 8 o'clock last night that if Legal Man was due to be "exclusively" on Jo Whiley on Wednesday, there'd be a fair old chance that it would be on Alternative Nation on MTV on Tuesday, as with all of Jo's previous "exclusives" and indeed it was, and it was the full video, whereas, unless they're discussing it, you'll only get a verses worth with the titles going over it on Whiley. Those of you who don't want to know about the video before you see it look away now, "review" coming up. Fortunately it was the first one on the show otherwise i may have fallen asleep and missed it, it starts with a big fat "Legal Man" on the front of a newspaper, then fades to him in "gentleman's club". The band are on stage, Stevie and Struan, both looking rather self conscious, are singing into the same microphone and wearing mod type black suits with thin ties. Richard is clearly visible doing his funky drummer thang, Isobel and are on each side of the stage (in spot lights) strutting away (although bel looks quite bored in most of the shots, except the very last one when she smiles and looks much nicer, i think she should smile more) as a sixties gurl group should. Sarah is almost completely obscured behind bel, sat on the floor stage left playing the sitar. Chris G is also almost completely in darkness (Is it in fact him, we wonder??? conspiracy theories start here) as is mystery bass player lurking in the shadows. I know i'll probably get slaughtered for this but the main influence that sprung into my mind for the video was "Wannabe" by the spice girls, except with the band looking demure and all the punters doing mad things rather than the other way round. Oh yes, the other punters in this "club" include rather old and wrinkly transvestites, camp men in smoking jackets and a snake charmer (who i thought was a hairy, pierced mick cooke for about a tenth of a second) with snake. There's also something going on with a ring with a big ruby in it ("help" reference perhaps?), but mainly it's just people having a laugh, the fat legal man ends up on the dance floor grooving away to our heroes, and the gents in the smoking jackets raising a camp eyebrow. Anyway it's two and a half mins of high sheen, non-super 8 fun and silliness, much like the song itself. Surely you can make a letter "e" by bending to the right, putting your left arm over your head, so it touches your right ear, and sticking your right arm out from the elbow and curling your hand up a bit or vice versa, depending on which way you are looking at it. Go on, give it a go now, nobody's looking. Unless there are any ex-cheerleaders out there who know a better way to do it... Nice to see International Sinister Picnic Day spreading to Finland, now come on New York and Toronto, you're letting the side down ;) And Mr Dastoor, as it appears that there are no lyrics on the sleeve of the single, can we have them by monday morning please... xoxo CarsmileSteve +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From brandtpfundak at xxx.com Wed May 17 14:39:32 2000 From: brandtpfundak at xxx.com (Brandt Fundak) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 06:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Legal Man thoughts message #437 Message-ID: <20000517133932.29721.qmail@web1806.mail.yahoo.com> I don't want to bore anyone, but I bought Legal Man yesterday, and I thought I would share my initial thoughts on it with you all. Legal Man-Keith Watson was high on this song but I have yet to be convinced. I think I need it to grow on me. But I am sure it will. Judy is a Dick Slap-I still don't know what a dick slap is, but this songs makes me want to dance. Not a good thing if you happen to be listening while at work. For the life of me I don't know how they could expand this song for the 12" (anyone have a running time on the 12" version) but I doubt it would be enough for me to throw down the extra cash. Winter Wooksie-Your average pop song. But I have a thing for pop songs, so of course I love this track. All in all I think the Legal Man EP is a good appetizer for the LP coming out in three weeks. Thanks for your time. Brandt ===== "Selma, Jub Jub is fantastic! He's everywhere you want to be!" --Troy McClure __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clb112 at xxx.uk Wed May 17 15:17:27 2000 From: clb112 at xxx.uk (clb112) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:17:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Win Win Win Message-ID: <3922A9F7.4017CEA2@york.ac.uk> Okay, I'm sure most of you have read it, but for those of you who haven't or don't want to waste £1.15 on a pile of shite... STEVEN WELLS SAYS: "Belle and Sebastian aren't 'performers', they're not a 'rock band', they're not 'pop stars' - they're a bunch of individuals who get together to make music and the music should speak for itself". This is "dull" - if this is the case "Why bother being in a band in the first place ?". I SAYS: Erm, maybe I'm just being "naive", but isn't it a GOOD thing ? Why bother being in a band if its NOT about the music. You could join a circus or the Socialist Worker Party instead. (Actually, join the Socialist Party of Great Britain (SPGB) instead - its better). STEVEN WELLS SAYS: B&S are distant and detached. I SAYS: So fucking what - they make good music. We don't want public idols to copy and read about in "Hello" magazine, we want fucking music to listen to. And anyway, aren't their lyrics anything but detached and distant ? (Hefner, of course, are the kings of lyricy...is that a word ?) Contrast, say, with emotionally-empty, formulaic, limp, impersonal, wishy-washy wanky Travis/Embrace/Oasis etc lyrics. STEVEN WELLS SAYS: B&S have a "conservative ideology" and are "disenaged" with politics. They're hampering the revolution (okay, so these last are not his EXACT words). I SAYS: Erm, we don't want people to tell us what to think (we think for ourselves thankyou), we want fucking music to listen to. Okay, so music CAN be politicised, but it doesn't HAVE to be, and there are plenty of other ways to make political points. Stop your pseudo-sociological gobshite - we'll buy "The Spectator" or something if that's what we want. STEVEN WELLS SAYS: B&S - "Stop the pouting". I SAYS: People should pout MORE. ********************************* Well, THAT'S B&S content. The coffee made me do it this time. If anyone can mail me a relevant Hefner song quote they'll win my spare copy of "The Hefner Soul". Lots and lots of LOVE to you all, Caroline xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Wed May 17 15:17:13 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:17:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Swells Message-ID: <802568E2.004F35DB.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Hello. I saw the 'Legal Man' video on MTV last night too. This was the first time I'd heard the song properly so I was concentrating on that more than the visuals. Steve's description is far better than I could manage. I never understand what's going on in videos and adverts until I've seen them a dozen times or someone else spells it out to me. So, the straight-laced suit is persuaded to let his hair down and shake his booty? Isn't that the hoariest pop promo trick in the book? Either that or ladies in bikinis. To me, the whole thing seemed a bit of a mess. Lots of things thrown in, lots of people in a room but no real directorial vision. Still, it was better than that godawful one for 'This Is Just A Modern Rock Song.' And Isobel does look a picture, despite the scowls. So does Stuart, in a funny kind of way. Up on the stage in his suit, guitar and winning smile, he reminded me of nothing so much as Michael J. Fox at the school dance in 'Back To The Future'. I'd love to see him do Teen Wolf. Sorry for being a pompous old grump in my last two posts, by the way. It won't happen again. And sorry for sending the second one three times. I didn't mean to. It was an Act of God. >His main thesis here is that the kids are finding "new and radical ways" to >fight against the "McFuture" Phew, that Steven Wells! So the future's Scottish? I wish someone had told me. Trying to argue with Steven Wells is like pissing in the wind all over Julie Burchill. Or something. I mean you could say to him "Hang on a minute - you recently stood up for the bloody BLUETONES in an interview, and B&S's songs are a damn sight more political than theirs." But what's the point? He *knows* his role is just to wind people up, and in the midst of the banalities that surround him in the NME, at least he's distinctive, if a bit repetitive after however many years. He's pretty weedy outside of the written word though. I heard him on a radio discussion show once and his combative style just sounded tired. He had that 'oh you're probably right but it's not part of my act to be even-handed' edge to his voice. I spoke to Joe Egg on the phone last night and tried to make him tell me who would be on stage at 2000 Tubby Teenagers. But he would only say that it 'would be quite special' and maybe 'even more special'. Bah. Nick "Peddling inarticulate self-satisfaction since 1973" xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clb112 at xxx.uk Wed May 17 15:22:57 2000 From: clb112 at xxx.uk (clb112) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:22:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: One more thing Message-ID: <3922AB41.89CA2A12@york.ac.uk> Talking of "dull", "unoriginal" etc, will there ever be a B&S review which doesn't use the phrase "gentle disposition" ??? Caroline xxx P.s. There's lots of geese babies about !!! As Yorksters will know (hello to you all, by the way). Thing is, we know what they grow into... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From splag at xxx.net Wed May 17 16:30:43 2000 From: splag at xxx.net (Scott Plagenhoef) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:30:43 -0600 Subject: Sinister: a piece about them now that they've made it Message-ID: <200005171429.PAA21591@missprint.org> hello people: Poor Sarah! -- plunked into the back of Bel's video and bumped from the cover of the single in favor of Adrienne Payne. She's the Martha Wash of B&S. Brandt wrote: For the life of me I don't know how they could expand this song for the 12" (anyone have a running time on the 12" version) Well, apparently Matador has delayed the vinyl release -- supposedly it will be out next week. Maybe someone else knows for sure. The CD version is 4:05 and the entire CDS is just over 9 minutes, so that 20-minute chart limit is almost certainly not an issue. I can actually see "Dick Slap" extended rather easily. It basically is three distinct parts ("Weathershow"/Jean-Jacques Perrey chug; Motown/Philly Soul bit; plaintive, piano-led bit) each of which tops out at a maximum of two minutes. The last one might easily be dropped for the 12´´ and the other two could be expanded rather easily as they are both short -- or there could be extra bits that aren't on the CDS. All pointless speculation, of course. Anyway, I'm there will be loads of press for the band over the next few months -- and not all of it needs repeating here -- but, due to the bizarre locale and the overall hilarity of the feature, here is a little bit on the band that appears in the current US version of Vanity Fair. (Tom Cruise, with very greasy-looking hair, is on the cover; Struan and Isobel have wee pictures of them on the inside) Anyway, laugh riot starts here: (from pg. 236) TEA AND HARMONY Belle and Sebastian Bears Its Soul While U.K. lad bands such as Oasis and Blur feud on the pages of glossy magazines, Belle and Sebastian, the seven-member Glasgow band, is making music for the world's more sensitive souls. Founded four years ago by 30-year-old choirboy Stuart Murdoch, Belle and Sebastian prefers perfroming in churches to big arenas. The band is perplexed when it comes to the media ("Is this a ladies' bridal magazine?" one member asks V.F.) and they are so modest they can't bear to have their pictures taken. Worshiping in the House of Unattainable Loveliness, they make pristine melodies using trumpets, strings, even recorders, and sing about beautiful young track stars, homesickness, and "Judy" who dreams about horses. To Belle and Sebastian fans‹-"twentysomethings who work with computers," as trumpet player Mick Cooke describes them‹‹the group's oblique lyrics, even when they verge on nonsense, express pain and elation exquisitely. But with their fourth album, FYHCYWLAP, confused, free-floating sexuality has given way to a more 70s soulfulness, and the band's twee image may be starting to crumble. As cellist Isobel Campbell puts it, "I think people have this fantasy that we get together and drink tea and eat cake." So, the New York/LA cultural establishment has its say. In the same issue they also tackle the debate about which Affleck brother is currently "in." (Hint: It's not Casey!) bye. scott. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.org Wed May 17 16:16:45 2000 From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:16:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Advice for exam takers Message-ID: The latest entry for the band diary, again from Stuart, dedicated to all those taking exams right now. This will appear on the band WWW site soon I guess, when Mick recovers from the stunning defeat of Russia and Latvia by those clowns from Denmark in the Eurovision Song Contest. Apologies to anyone from Denmark on the list :) Honey x ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Diary Of A Band (17/5) Belle and Sebastian frontman Stuart Murdoch remembers his years at Glasgow University You'll be needing advice on how to get through your exams probably. I'm the worst person to ask. I failed the same exam four times before I finally packed it in. The results got progressively worse! How could it be! The first time I had a real go, and thought I'd passed it. I'd never failed an exam before! Higher Ordinary Physics it was. I failed it. I had the summer all planned out, but that really fucked it. I went to work anyway, my third year at Butlins in Ayr. I figured I'd come back a month before the exam and stay in deserted halls to get peace, really knuckle down, discover again the 'artistry' of Physics. Yeah right. I bought some records. I bought some clothes. I lived in a sleepy basement. I went to watch Orange Walks!! Actually, that last bit was a lie, but you get the picture. I did popmobility. I signed on, and walked by elaborate routes to do it. I made up alternate popmobility tapes and fantasised about me and the ladies in synch to New Order. My friends came back from their holidays and laughed at me. I think the examiner must have had a chuckle too, because I wrote a lot of pish in the exam. I don't know why I'm telling you this. I mean, I hope you can avoid doing the same, but I know there's no way of avoiding your own fuck-ups. So I went back and repeated the year. I was definitely in denial. I even did all the labs again. I'm surprised the staff were as pleasant as they were to me. I pretended I was a lab technician, to avoid embarrassment. I went to all the lectures. Partly because I was paying for it. Mostly because in the year that had now engulfed me, there was a girl in the class. She had a wee brown splodge on her temple. She hid it under her bob. I watched the splodge all year. She watched the blackboard, and passed. I know, because she wasn't at the resit. How could someone who looked like that be good at Physics. It wasn't fair. By the time the resit came around again, all I could think of during the exam was the four records I was going to buy after the exam. My friend Lewis said that I would have been better just going in and writing a playlist. Later on, on a bog wall in the reading room, I saw written 'Fold your hands child, you walk like a peasant' It struck me as smart and mysterious. I was suddenly alive to the possibility that there were people around who, if they wanted, could bring the country weeping to its knees with a line of poetry. I set out to find them. Footnote Great and classic albums from Summer 1987 Sonic Youth 'Sister', The Go-Betweens 'Talullah', The Fall 'Bend Sinister' Stuart Murdoch +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk Wed May 17 16:25:12 2000 From: mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk (fiona) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:25:12 BST Subject: Sinister: ugly and hopeless on pro-plus and vodka... Message-ID: <13EBBFD393C@mail1.mcc.ac.uk> ...not really, but you know when you suddenly notice a line in a song that you never realised was there before. so howdee doodee kids, haven't posted in a while, but the list's been so overflowing with content that i didn't feel i could keep up. played some tracks from fishyclap our night last thursday, seemed to go down pretty well except that i kept forgetting that i was supposed to be playing it and got carried away with uresei yatsura b-sides. thanks to any of you that turned up, although i didn't actually see many (any?) of you there. next kirrin island will be 30th may @ big hands manchester, with more famous five themed stuff and hopefully tracks from th badly drawn boy album. ok thats the blatant self-promotion over with, onto more serious matters: uniform~now i really would prefer a pink 60's stylee mini-dress with matching boots, but in all seriousness and for practicalities sake i think we should have t-shirts. but only if they're not like those godawful shapeless monstrosities that jeepster sees fit to inflict on us. i've got three b+s t-shirts and not a single one of them even nearly fits. raaaaaa also the pattern would have to be applied in such a way that my grandmothers reckless ironing skills couldn't remove / smudge it. and and and, i think this calls for a competition, someone needs to design the logo. probably shouldn't have mentioned that because it'll end up being my responsibility to sort it out, but if honey doesn't mind i'll oversee your design skills (but i should probably wait for permission first). i know lets see how much of your time i can waste ranting about t-shirts. umm... desperately want to talk about the album, but... musn't... suffice to say that my favourites are don't leave the light on, baby and the wrong girl, and chalet lines is giving me nightmares. and i spent the weekend learning the words just so i can sing along to stuff and prove to all the nasty pretentious b+s fans in manchester (you'd be surprised) that we really did get a copy. raaaa when does jo whiley normally show videos in her programme, will i have time to get back from tonights black box recorder gig before its on? will my flatmates be watching videos anyway so i can't watch th telly? stickers~speaking of stickers we collected in our youth, does anyone remember the care bears ones that used to have a furry one in each packet? the cool kids would always try and swap their shit cards for furry ones and think that you'd be taken in, but i wasn't fooled. so we could have special furry isobel-biker-jacket stickers!!! plea~ i've been collecting the tigger movie toys from mcdonalds (raaa corporate capitalist raaa etc) (but i like junk food) and i'm missing piglet, kanga and roo, they've stopped doing them now and i'm desperate to complete my collection, so if anyone can help... ok, enough already, i really should get down to some linear differential equations. sob. except to say 'swells - raaa' love and jaffa cakes, fiona 14 minutes 35 seconds - ha!! breaking the law, breaking the law!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mrsaudiac at xxx.com Wed May 17 16:31:50 2000 From: mrsaudiac at xxx.com (Jennifer Phillips-Bacher) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:31:50 CDT Subject: Sinister: C-O-N-T- ENT it's coming back it's coming back Message-ID: <20000517153150.3304.qmail@hotmail.com> Sinister, I salute you! What a load of fun you've all been these last few weeks, eh? Now I remember why I joined the list in the first place: to talk about breakfast! I mean, the band of course. Silly. Two things: Firstly, does anyone know who we can thank for 'Legal Man'? There are no song-writing credits to be found on the cd, it's all a big mystery. A mystery wrapped in a conundrum shrouded in...oh, however that goes. Any information to the usual address, thanks. In regards to the extended dickslap, I'll take it, yessum. The non-extended (retracted?) version is totally dancetastic, it could go on for many more minutes and I'd be quite happy. The always-factfilled and delicious Scott wrote: I can actually see "Dick Slap" extended rather easily. It basically is three distinct parts ("Weathershow"/Jean-Jacques Perrey chug; Motown/Philly Soul bit; plaintive, piano-led bit) Yes! at the beginning of the song, I fully expect I.C. to chime in with some nonsense about birds and trees and stuff. Oh wait, Weathershow is the one Gentle Waves song I like, isn't it? Oh yeah. Oops. Sorry, Bel. Secondly, thanks to those who have described the video for 'Legal Man'. As I was reading all about it, one of the attorneys who works at this here law firm came into my library office to request use of the 3-hole punch. In my tired and caffeinated state, I imagined him, let's call him Bruce Braun, for that is his christian name, dancing like a soul boy. Well, at least it amused me momentarily. Then he broke my revelry by cursing loudly. The hole-punch is old and dull--in order to punch holes in anything more than 5 pages, one really must jump up and down, putting all body weight on the wrists and palms just to make it work. His exact words were "Piece of S---!". Eek! Thanks to Scott for posting the Vanity Fair piece. I think my favorite part is: "Worshiping in the House of Unattainable Loveliness, they make pristine melodies using trumpets, strings, even recorders, and sing about beautiful young track stars, homesickness, and "Judy" who dreams about horses. " What?? Even recorders! Why I never! Thanks for reading. I owe you one. I remain, Jennifer Phillips-Bacher xo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Wed May 17 16:36:56 2000 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:36:56 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: And you think it is all over In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Stuart Murdoch said: <> Hey!!!Did you,the ones in the know about Struan,he had taken Physics?I had no clue,so his confessions of a long-Summer exam-resitter had just arrived in the best moment.In the worst,better said,long and wasted days of trying to work out why half spin particles never seem to enjoy doing the easy thing,while your peers are sun-bathing... I thought all this misery so well-known as an undergrad, when reading a quote off some Smiths' song at the Faculty's Ladies could save the day and enduring comments on my trainers,my haircut,my showing-off my belly-button inadvertently and not being interested at the same time in any of the sporty,highly-achieving ones,for instance could not be expressed in such an artistic way. So many things are now clear to me.Justine did Architecture and Alex did French,Jarvis did Art and Bernard did History... No offence,anyway,as the best song from the summer I had to retake Elektroniks was 'Boys and Girls'. xxx A. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From shop at xxx.net Wed May 17 16:01:56 2000 From: shop at xxx.net (Katrina House) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:01:56 +0100 Subject: Sinister: legal man vid Message-ID: <000201bfc015$f1847820$4378a8c2@pricelessoem> hiya, in response to carsmile steve's email re the vid and to pre-empt (sp?) more questions: * roseanne is the other maisonette, she's also on the front of the single sleeve with adrienne, stevie's girlfriend * chris + mick are onstage, there's one shot of the band where you can *just* see them all * stevie dreads is the magician (snake charmer) .. he normally drives the band's equipment around when they're on tour i hope someone will show the video for 'the wrong girl' now ... i saw it for the first time last night and it's brilliant - well done lance!!! norman blake plays stevie's dad and it's basically a mini-version of stevie's life and his luck with girls. i'm off to lurk again. cheers, katrina. banchory merchandising ltd. e-mail: shop at banchory.net po box 25074 glasgow g2 6yl scotland http://www.banchory.net +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From smiley at xxx.uk Wed May 17 17:21:19 2000 From: smiley at xxx.uk (Mr Smiley) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:21:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: NME always was crap anyway Message-ID: <000701bfc01c$0a3dc1e0$b805883e@n8j4k7> Hullo, Jesus, selling out? Next you'll be telling me Stuart's on the front cover of the NME... oh bugger he is. And what the hell was that article about? I'm talking about the interview with Stuart here, by the way. It's obvious that the writer didn't like the music (he admitted this himself) and was just looking for an excuse to lay in to the band. And I think complaining that they don't do interviews is a stupid thing to do if you're then going to give them a right slagging. I mean, if I were Stuart I'd be well pissed off. So he phones up an NME journalist to discuss some things, one of these things being why they don't do much promo stuff, and the journalist goes away to write a bitchy article about them. It's hardly going to make the band think "oh goody, we really enjoy being called 'elitist without in anyway (sic) being special... perverse without being radical...self-conscious without being righteous', let's do more interviews. For the record, I never buy NME because it's crap. But I was fooled today by the big piccie of Stu on the front. I won't be fooled again, it's just confirmed my view that the NME has gotten lost somewhere around it's own small intestine. They seem obsessed with political stuff like Primal Scream (supposedly) and ADF... well fair enough, but bands that don't sing about their politics have a place too. God, I don't want to go shopping for a music paper and find out I've inadvertently bought a thinly disguised copy of Marxism Today. Oh yeah, and as for the supposed flood of sinister messages we're supposed to be getting... well I get about 1 digest a day, which is bang on fine as far as I'm concerned. And anyway, I don't think it's that unlikely that sinister will be a bit busy, what with the immanent release of a new EP and a new album (not to mention Geometrid). I'm sure once B&S disappear for another couple of years then the list will quieten down a bit anyway. I'm not being nasty, of course people should think before they write, it's just that I thought it was a bit obvious why lots of people were writing. Sorry Honey! [Checks watch] Hmmm. Not quite 15 minutes. [Goes off to make a cup of tea]...[returns] right that's about a quarter of an hour. Click! Platonic hugs, Mike ICQ: 73775341 Email - smiley at rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk The Black Den - http://www.rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ciflux at xxx.com Wed May 17 18:15:32 2000 From: Ciflux at xxx.com (Ciflux at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:15:32 EDT Subject: Sinister: for Seattle/Pacific Northwest residents Message-ID: Hi all: I am emerging from my lurking to tell you about a fun show that's happening in Seattle this Friday night, May 19th. It will feature performances by The I Live The Life Of A Movie Star Secret Hideout (a fine combo from Portland, very much in the vein of early K Records), Suretoss (Chris McFarlane of Jigsaw Records -- Eric's Trip meets Wolfie meets Boyracer), and Automat (er, that's my new project). Before the show and in between bands, we will be playing _Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant_ through the PA, so if you haven't scored an advance copy or a tape dub, this is your big chance to hear the new B&S CD! The show is at the very suggestively-titled Honeyhole Sandwiches at 703 E. Pike St. Doors open at 7:30, music starts at 8, admission is very reasonable, all ages are admitted, and you'll be able to make it to the Mary Timony show at the I-Spy later that night with time to spare. I hope to see some of you... xo mike ciflux at aol.com www.appelstein.com/cif +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From feather-boa at xxx.com Wed May 17 18:33:32 2000 From: feather-boa at xxx.com (feather boa) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:33:32 -0700 Subject: Sinister: short and sweet. Message-ID: people keep asking about the lyrics to legal man. they printed them in mm today, with a silly analysis. pip pip, FB X *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. http://www.chickshops.com boutique shopping from chickclick.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From imn_uk at xxx.uk Wed May 17 18:34:28 2000 From: imn_uk at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?ian=20nicolson?=) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:34:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: unlikely stories mostly Message-ID: <20000517173428.24784.qmail@web4302.mail.yahoo.com> hey kids i know this is a bit late now, but there was a GRATE column in the scotsman last friday about the links between bernard maclaverty, travis and struan. apparently they used to go round to his house and play chess with alasdair gray, or something. and it called b+s 'the oddest band in britain', which i guess makes a change from the 't***-est band in britain'... and talking of alasdair gray there were a few articles about him in the papers over the weekend, one of which mentioned the b+s book he's gonna be working on. apparently it'll be out by christmas, but seeing as his new book was supposed to have been published in 1989 i wouldn't hold yer breath! i was under the impression that it was going to be a music book, but from what i could make out it'll be a book of struan's lyrics illustrated by gray (i *might* be wrong about this...). i've never been too sure about this kinda thing. i've seen similar books by nick cave and lou reed, who both write wonderful lyrics, but when printed in book form they just don't have the same power as when combined with music. and much as i luv struan's words i'm worried that the same might happen with this book. lyrics are written to be sang with music and when they're printed it's not really the same...hopefully i'll be proved wrong and i am looking forward to seeing it, as any collaboration like this has got to be exciting. this is my first evah post to the list, by the way, after a long time lurking (like, since last october, or something). i've even been involved in the wonderful tape tree odyssey and everyting (mines the one with all the ivor cutler bits), but i just never got around to writing before. i guess i've always been a bit of a late developer...but i've loved reading yer posts all this time and i'm sure you'll make me welcome. my name's ian and i come from embra. in about three weeks i finish college forever, so like a lot of you i have bludy *loads* of work to do just now, but instead of doing it i'm sitting at this computer getting lost in a sinister world...i guess this *might* not be a good strategy...and 'legal man' comes out two days before my dissertation has to be in, so every time i think of how close it is to being released my heart drops cos it reminds me i've got so much to do. but when the album comes out i'll have finished college and i'll be able to lie back and listen to it in the sun (or the pissing rain - i'm in edinburgh after all...) thanks for reading - sorry if it was a bit spazzy, i was nervous...i'm sure i'll get better in time... see yah ian n ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Wed May 17 21:04:53 2000 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:04:53 EDT Subject: Sinister: Insultate a kiss below there, where constellations ebb and flow there Message-ID: <36.605699a.26545565@aol.com> In a message dated 5/17/00 7:27:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, paularathoon at hotmail.com writes: << His main thesis here is that the kids are finding "new and radical ways" to fight against the "McFuture" and that all B&S do is write songs. >> This reeks me of the big backlash against Dylan in the mid-60s, when he pissed off all the folkies who thought he was next generation of protest singers by going rock and roll. They had an agenda for Bob which he didn't buy into it, which, from what I'm hearing through you guys (cause UK mags are hard to come by over here) is sort of what the press is holding against B&S. I think its pretty ridiculous to hold a person's political leanings (or lack there of) against them when their music has never been about that to begin with. Its not like they wrote "Killing In The Name Of" and followed it with "Legal Man"...they wrote "Judy And the the Dream of Horses" and this guy is upset that they're non-political? What the hell? Did he think Struan and company were going to write "Ohio, Mach II" to commemorate the Seattle WTO protests when the closest they've come to an indictment of anything political has been "boo to the business world"? Get the net! I quite like Legal Man..."big time" as my Little League coach used to say. It definitely sounds Mammas and Pappas-ish, but maybe I say that just because of the backing vocals. Didn't someone say along time ago that Stevie wrote the song? Also, to the person asking for lyrics, if you read the letter on the right hand side of the insert, its more or less the lyrics that Stuart and Stevie sing (although more dressed up). The letter on the left bears reference to "Loneliness..." and some problems the band were having with the mix. I still cannot see why that or Lord Anthony weren't on the single, but I guess they have either bigger plans (hopefully) or no plans at all for those two. I silently pray for a B-side... At the Elliott Smith show in DC the other day, the "Dog On Wheels" version of The State I Am In was played over the house PA right as Elliott took the stage. That was pretty neat. The next day, Tower Records was playing the Tigermilk version of the same song...hmmm? Does Ginko Biloba really work? Being exam week, I've been taking my vitamins for once and thats one of the ingredients. It feels like its work. I feel like I could bend spoons with my mental powers or something, though I'd settle for straight As (not likely)...a prayer for impressive marks across our board... Wouldn't it Be Nice? Steve C. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* "Which Paul?" "BLAH!" visit http://callowkids.tripod.com or your crush will hate you forever +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From idleberry at xxx.com Wed May 17 22:55:29 2000 From: idleberry at xxx.com (idle berry) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: not fifteen minutes of thinking.... Message-ID: <20000517215529.9742.qmail@web614.mail.yahoo.com> if you disagreed with Steven Wells, write a letter to Angst. Or e mail them. BTW, all is fine in land of Idles. moved back in with flatmate. renamed him twatmate. Just keeping my head down, getting on with it. Thanks to all those who replied. Meant a lot. thats the end. Idles ===== http://www.geocities.com/idleberry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ParisStarz at xxx.com Wed May 17 23:20:32 2000 From: ParisStarz at xxx.com (ParisStarz at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 18:20:32 EDT Subject: Sinister: Looper in Glasgow Message-ID: <27.5b32ab0.26547530@aol.com> Just got my tickets for Looper at King Tuts.. see ya there... . Delbert . +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sanangel22 at xxx.com Thu May 18 00:35:31 2000 From: sanangel22 at xxx.com (Jarrod San Angel) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:35:31 PDT Subject: Sinister: I've Heard the New Album, And It's.... Message-ID: <20000517233531.18186.qmail@hotmail.com> ...a letdown. Forgive me, my Belle & Sebastian brothers and sisters, for being the bearer of bad tidings, but I'm here to declare the music on the new album, "Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant," as strange and vexing as its title. 'Tis true. For my money, and for my listening pleasure, this is by FAR the weakest and most demanding of Belle & Sebastian's collection of music. Oh, by the way, if you're wondering how I've already heard the entire album, it's available to download, in its full length glorylessness, on Napster.com. I'll admit that I was absolutely thrilled to discover the album there, waiting for me to tap a few keys and wait a few moments as it downloaded, but sorrow came, as Morrissey proclaimed, in the end. The first song I listened to was "Beyond the Sunrise," and much to my displeasure, it featured Isobelle. Now, don't get me wrong, I think Isobelle's pipes do just fine on "Is it Wicked.." and "The Gate," but beyond that I'm perplexed as to why they let her sing. I can't take her voice for very long. It's frail and it's weak, and it grates on the nerves. At times, her vocals strain to come through the speakers.. and when it does, I can't say that's a good thing. Anyway, "Beyond the Sunrise" is more like an Olden Ballad of Yore that explores Ancient Themes, and sounds more like a Biblical Folk Song than anything else. Next song I listened to was "Don't Leave the Lights On Baby," and this is far and away the best song on the album. For me, anyway. I'm sure you'll all have your say as to which of these rather disappointing songs is the "best," as you're all entitled to, indeed, but I think many of you will come to agree that this is the only genuine sparkler. Very moody song, groovy "Air" like melodies and keyboard. Rises to a wonderful chorus. "The Model" is a catchy little ditty that effectively uses the oft under appreciated harpsichord... in fact, one of the few songs in the pop anthology to use it at all, it seems. This is one of the other few songs on the album I enjoyed. For all the chatter and clatter behind "Chalet Lines," the song itself is mediocre by this band's usually fine standards. Something tells me a handful of you will be hoisting this song up to inflated proportions, claiming it gorgeous.. but.. ahem.. it AINT. =( "I Fought In A War" is dark and mysterious, with a very pretty riff and moving story - along the lines of "Stars of Track and Field," but fails to live up to the splendour of THAT song.. "Nice Day For A Sulk" is the sound of Stuart Murdoch masturbating musically. It's a throw-away. Too simple. Could've easily composed this one while in the loo, on the toilet, scratching his head for album filler. Some will say it's classic B&S, others will be smarter and say it's a waste of precious album space. "The Wrong Girl" and "Woman's Realm" are easy on the ears - pleasant enough to bear repeated listens.. yet I think you'll all agree that there's simply something missing this time around. The songs are all very well established in that wonderful B&S style, rife with stirring cello, delightful flute, occasional toy piano, and such.. but the magic is somehow absent.. the sounds just doesn't seem to jibe and jive on this effort. It's a disheartening thing to witness, the slight lapse of imagination and creative genius.. I did NOT go into this album with enormous expectations, nor do I think the band infallible. But by anyone's standards, this album is not the sound of a band that has reached their creative zenith. It is instead, the sound of a band shambling through songs that took either too long or too quick to create, and has either lost focus, or wanted to enjoy themsleves just throwing whatever together. It's not an easy listen, and it's not what you're all expecting. Many of you called "The Boy With the Arab Strap" a let down.. I can only cringe to think of what you'll dub this one. Again, I'm sorry to be the bearer of such bad tidings. xoxoxoxo Jarrod San Angel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Thu May 18 01:28:41 2000 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:28:41 -0400 Subject: Sinister: a contest for lovers Message-ID: <000f01bfc060$0659b900$d41574cc@woody> hi ummmmm this isn't totally b&s related soooo.... last year around this time, i had a 'i need a new cd' contest. i asked list members to send me rec's for an album, i should buy, naturally. so, i though i'd do it again this year. so, what should i get? i have 15 dollars to spare and time to waste...i think frontrunners are that trail of the dead cd and the broken whispers lp from trembling blue stars... i do have the new yo la tengo and elliott smith, so those don't count. much love to you all. i just downloaded the first minute and a half of 'don't leave the light on baby' it's groovy. it sounds a lot more 'produced'. thanks for everyone who helps me out with my buying decisions and sorry honey for this not being totally b&s related...i want to be good upon my return. blake the nerdy shy eyed pacifist +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stray4f at xxx.net Thu May 18 03:28:39 2000 From: stray4f at xxx.net (===) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:28:39 -0700 Subject: Sinister: I've Heard the New Album, And It's.... In-Reply-To: <20000517233531.18186.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: > ....a letdown. > xoxoxoxo > > Jarrod San Angel No, you haven't heard the new album. You've heard some compressed digital files completely out of sequence, out of context, and very likely without the proper mastering. If you get around to hearing the proper album and don't like it, that's perfectly reasonable, but to slag off a record that is remarkably layered with nuances based on one listen to some unapproved downloads of compressed digital files is completely lame. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vilkas at xxx.com Thu May 18 03:36:38 2000 From: vilkas at xxx.com (Vilkas D'Angelo-Horvath) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:36:38 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Re: I've heard...Ok...I'm going off on Jarod. In Public. ( sorry to be making a scene) Apologies or yer welcomes in advance. Message-ID: <200005180230.WAA05684@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Uncool. Waaay uncool. 1. Can't you freakin' wait for the album? Less than a month already. Jumpin jesus on a pogo stick. a. Not considering the sound quality of your computer, and also noting that I *love* to hear new, rare, music on my computer; the sound quality of most mp3s and such suck. a.5. So, what referance points do you have for how the album should sound? If one is expecting an artist to produce 5 albums that are indecipherable from each other; go buy New Order or the S Club 7s. Incedentally, I'm a huge New Order fan, I like the similarities. When the variability in tone, melody, etc. is not that variable, all the subtleties and buried melodies jump out to reveal a more sublime experience of sound. Myself, I can't see much differance in the three previous albums; they're all a bunch of wildly opposite parts put together. Differant is not the question: goodness is. The songs don't sound the same. a.5. But I digress. b. That's not fair play. IMHO, downloading readily or almost readily available songs etc. from napster is i. not fair to the artist who you like enough to download, and would assumably thus support. Assuming they're not metallica; but that's a whole nother story. I guess case by case consideration should be made. In the internet age, there are reasons why new albums still have realase dates other than lawyers and advertising departments. The joy of getting a record you've waited for on the first available date. Not who hunts high and low enough. ii. the reason why napster and the like will be removed from popular culture, thus giving a lot more music power to commercial radio stations/sites and mall record stores. c. I know the Belles are not infallible perfect, whatever, musically or in any other way; so what I'm saying here is that yes, anyone can make a baaaad album. In the new album and here, i'm not interested in aural masterbation. Discussion and praise are not nessacarily masturbation. And no, I'm not giving any examples of this point, cos: i. I haven't heard the album. ii. I'm pissed off about the theory of the whole thing; I could give a rat's ass if someone doen't like a record. It's not the dislike factor, it's the way of going about it. ii.2. Fucking Dogmatic. iii. My examples are based on opinion rather than mucical notes. d. Do you have to *bitch* about it here. You sound like Rolling frickin' Stone Magazine. e. If you expect the worst from an album, you'll get it. e.2. I expect nothing other than a new album by a band a really dig. f. Listening and *hearing* are two different things. f.2. Change is *good*. f.3. Growth is *good*. f.4. Complacency and stagnation are *bad*. g. Unless you like only a narrow spectrum of music; intent must be taken into account on contemporary rock and roll music. Lo-Fi is cool. Why do you think that demos are sought after? Same with all those kids playing their geetars out of tune? Why do you think MTV unplugged was so popular? g.2. Re: Isobel's singing: see above, lo-fi is cool. Don't you think that mix was deliberate? g.3. I loved the Wrong Girl on all the live stuff. h. The first time I heard some of my favorite albums, I was *not* impressed to say the least. And I had either already bought them or somehow heard them again and again. i. Just cos you like it, doen't mean it's not any good. i.2. Just cos it's demanding doesn't mean it's no good. See above listening vs. hearing: Listen to a record a few times on your headphones. By working with it, youll be returned with a richer sound. j. This argument is unfocused and possibly contradictive; just trying to keep the thoughts in a legible format. k. I can defend all of what I have ranted about, but it's getting late and I must get up for work at the crack of dawn. Literally. l. I really just wanted to say go fuck off then. But that would have been unfocused, rude, and without backup. m. Just don't be that guy taking up space at the shows grooving to only the songs from the first album, then bitching about the new songs amd how they sold out after the first album in a jaded manner.It's just not cool anymore. n. If I can collect my thoughts, more possibly focused rants to come. XXOO, Vilkas,who is non sarcastically really enjoying the remix of Pure Shores on internet radio beat106. This may blow the whole of my argument out the water for some of you. If you've read it at all. If you've read this far: Reader Beware: Disjointed music theory lies here, further clouded by aggravation. Then again ,this disclaimer may be humility. or cockiness disguised as humility. >:) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sanangel22 at xxx.com Thu May 18 03:56:48 2000 From: sanangel22 at xxx.com (Jarrod San Angel) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:56:48 PDT Subject: Sinister: The New Album: Don't Ask, Don't Tell Policy Message-ID: <20000518025648.88050.qmail@hotmail.com> Ah, the Backlash. It was inevitable, and indeed I knew it would come from the very first line of my previous email. Since rattling off that less than pleasant portrait of the forthcoming release from our Glaswegian heroes, I've been informed that there is some sort of "strict don't ask, don't tell policy" regarding opinions and reviews. As I'm a fairweather contributor to the list (nay, nevercontributor is more like it.. I think this last post was my very first!), I was unaware of the so called Policy, and I do apologize for breaking it. However, in hindsight, I cannot say that I at all regret writing the critique, as people have a right to know, fans & "disciples" included, whether the new release is genius or maddness - or, as I believe, somewhere in between. Alas, I fear that the masses will now stone me, in their own acid-laced writings to me, as if this were some sort of religious affair, and I was guilty of the worst blasphemy. Please, make up your own minds, and disregard my opinions, if you like. Whence the album hits the stores, it is certain that this list will be cluttered - chock full of every kind of review imaginable. I'd like to think that the Sinisterians here are intelligent folk, and open minded individuals who don't discredit or beat down the occassional challenge to conventional belief. Yes, Belle and Sebastian are a fan-fucking-tastic band. In my mind, the very best this planet now has to offer. And what of this album? In my mind, a small blip on an otherwise upward ascent and history of gold-tipped beauty. But again, that's just ONE opinion. Mine alone, thus far. If you're tremblingly afraid of what you might read in a pre-release review, (and if you read mine) and I've confirmed your fears, then again, I am sorry for ruining your day. And after all, 'tisn't Wicked Not To Care. Lastly, let me just say that Isobelle is awful. I've strapped on the headphones once again, bit into a plank of wood, and beared her songs once more for a solid re-evaluation. Tsk. Just who told her she could sing?? She's on far more songs on this album than any prior (and than her talent warrants), and her bits & pieces & duets & feature songs are all lackluster performances that are HUGELY tedious, trying, and TIRESOME. I don't know how YOU ALL feel about the Gentle Waves, but my ears quite simply bear that much abuse. I'll give credit where credit is due, and YES, perhaps she isn't a bad cellist, and perhaps she does add her weight in gold in the B&S magic, but I'll praise the day that keeps her vocals from off the records. If this album garners unflattering reviews for B&S, they will undoubtedly be indebted to her. But then, that's just one man's opinion. I apologize in advance for speaking freely. ** Jarrod ** ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sanangel22 at xxx.com Thu May 18 03:56:41 2000 From: sanangel22 at xxx.com (Jarrod San Angel) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:56:41 PDT Subject: Sinister: The New Album: Don't Ask, Don't Tell Policy Message-ID: <20000518025641.20473.qmail@hotmail.com> Ah, the Backlash. It was inevitable, and indeed I knew it would come from the very first line of my previous email. Since rattling off that less than pleasant portrait of the forthcoming release from our Glaswegian heroes, I've been informed that there is some sort of "strict don't ask, don't tell policy" regarding opinions and reviews. As I'm a fairweather contributor to the list (nay, nevercontributor is more like it.. I think this last post was my very first!), I was unaware of the so called Policy, and I do apologize for breaking it. However, in hindsight, I cannot say that I at all regret writing the critique, as people have a right to know, fans & "disciples" included, whether the new release is genius or maddness - or, as I believe, somewhere in between. Alas, I fear that the masses will now stone me, in their own acid-laced writings to me, as if this were some sort of religious affair, and I was guilty of the worst blasphemy. Please, make up your own minds, and disregard my opinions, if you like. Whence the album hits the stores, it is certain that this list will be cluttered - chock full of every kind of review imaginable. I'd like to think that the Sinisterians here are intelligent folk, and open minded individuals who don't discredit or beat down the occassional challenge to conventional belief. Yes, Belle and Sebastian are a fan-fucking-tastic band. In my mind, the very best this planet now has to offer. And what of this album? In my mind, a small blip on an otherwise upward ascent and history of gold-tipped beauty. But again, that's just ONE opinion. Mine alone, thus far. If you're tremblingly afraid of what you might read in a pre-release review, (and if you read mine) and I've confirmed your fears, then again, I am sorry for ruining your day. And after all, 'tisn't Wicked Not To Care. Lastly, let me just say that Isobelle is awful. I've strapped on the headphones once again, bit into a plank of wood, and beared her songs once more for a solid re-evaluation. Tsk. Just who told her she could sing?? She's on far more songs on this album than any prior (and than her talent warrants), and her bits & pieces & duets & feature songs are all lackluster performances that are HUGELY tedious, trying, and TIRESOME. I don't know how YOU ALL feel about the Gentle Waves, but my ears quite simply bear that much abuse. I'll give credit where credit is due, and YES, perhaps she isn't a bad cellist, and perhaps she does add her weight in gold in the B&S magic, but I'll praise the day that keeps her vocals from off the records. If this album garners unflattering reviews for B&S, they will undoubtedly be indebted to her. But then, that's just one man's opinion. I apologize in advance for speaking freely. ** Jarrod ** ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From scoppolo at xxx.com Thu May 18 03:54:47 2000 From: scoppolo at xxx.com (Steve Coppolo) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:54:47 PDT Subject: Sinister: Vapour commercial Message-ID: <20000518025447.7986.qmail@hotmail.com> used on one of those new beetle ads. by the way, is the new vapor commerical done by stereolab? the song, not the advert, silly. ----------> Unless I'm thinking of the wrong car commercial (.01% chance), I'm sure that the band is Hooverphonic. I have it playing right now, the song with all of the funny beeping at the beginning. It's called "Renaissance Affair" off the album _Blue Wonder Power Milk_, which I recommend to anybody who is into electropop. Most of the stuff on the album is roughly comparable to "Sleep the Clock Around." Anyway, it seems that the people who make car commercials have been going through my CD collection. First they used Pizzicato Five, then they moved into Gus Gus, then they used "How Soon is Now?" by the Smiths, and now Hooverphonic. Pretty soon we're going to get some Depeche mode or Cure in SUV adds. Oh well, I guess one must embrace capitalism if it's going to choose good music. l8r, -Steve- mail to: scoppolo at hotmail.com or scoppolo at mail.colgate.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I save your messages/just to hear your voice./You always say your name/Like I wouldn't know it's you,/At your most beautiful." -REM ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From i_love_moon at xxx.com Thu May 18 06:03:44 2000 From: i_love_moon at xxx.com (Johan Nilsson) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 06:03:44 CEST Subject: Sinister: in defense of a stranger Message-ID: <20000518040344.94078.qmail@hotmail.com> ok, first of all, i wouldn't normally agree with people who like mp3s, i think they are shit, second of all, let it be stated that i am, how should i put it, a hi-fi faggot... but here goes... i have indeed heard the very same tracks as Jarrod and let it be stated the quality is good. it glips and skips not more then a vinyl version would do, so any comments that he hasn't heard 'the real version' is just a bunch of crap. now issueing weither it was a good idea to load down those illegal files... well doesn't it sound tempting? in his review i don't know what to say. i have just heard the tracks a few times and i cannot make a fair statement. i did like 'family tree' even though it is better live (read rougher). and i do like the album and yes indeed i have already ordered it. it's a mighty production, well what did you expect after such a long time... in defens of Jarrod he has heard the album... but does that mean we have to agree with his review? isn't he allowed to an opinion. i think he is. i like Fenn O'Berg, who else does? does it matter? i do. i like the new Belle and Sebastian... i think a lot of you will too... bearhugs and butterflykisses Johan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From divadeathcat at xxx.com Thu May 18 05:22:17 2000 From: divadeathcat at xxx.com (Li ^..^) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 04:22:17 GMT Subject: Sinister: And then it went boom... Message-ID: <20000518042217.49441.qmail@hotmail.com> hello all :) this is actually my first time posting anything here, so bear with me if i bring about any stupid subjects or boredom and stuff. just remember, i'm a beginner here! well..i guess i should say some stuff about myself. first of all, my name is Li (short for Lisa), i'm 16 years old and i live in NJ. (reading those last lines, i'm realizing i sound like i'm on a game-show or something.) i've been litsening to Belle & Sebastian for a while now, and i can not express how much i love there music :) i don't know too many people here who actually litsen to B & S except for 3 (including me), so not too much fun stuff goes on around here. in fact, i really never realized how popular Belle & Sebastian were until i was in this Old Navy clothing store. i was wearing a B&S t-shirt i got off Jeepster and some girl stopped me and asked me if i'd know about Looper. Sad to say..i haven't been able to find any of there music lately, but i'm looking! since i live in the USA (which i don't like too much.) it's hard for me to find other B&S albums. I own: If Your Feeling Sinister, Tigermilk, The Boy With The Arab Strap, Dog On Wheels (single), Lazy Line Painter Jane (single), 3...6...9 Second Of Light (yet another single). are these the only US releases? if so that makes me pretty sad. also, i just read a post about how someone doesn't really like Isobelle's voice. surprisingly, i didn't like it to much at first, but after a few tunes got into my head durring the day, i now actually find her voice to be extreamly relaxing. it's kind of funny i guess :) also..i do a lot of artwork. some of which is inspired by B&S's music. i'm hooking up a scanner next week, so i should have some to send out soon. :) i DO have SOME artwork posted on a page ( http://member.xoom.com/atascosita/aphexxart.html ) but it's all just stuff i drew like..in the back of history class...so..don't expect to see anything spactacular :P i would like opinions on the artwork if anyone takes the time to look at it. email me :) (divadeathcat at hotmail.com) oh well..i've gota go. i have work tommorrow. i work at a children's program and i help out with fingerpainting. :) when it's time for a bit of dancing, i put on some Belle & Sebastian albums and the kids always stand around doing the twists to the tunes :) it's great. a girl named Samantha calls B&S "happy-time music" :) and thats it for now! so i apologise if i've bored anyone, and if you've fallen asleep, i'll work on my skills. but until i can think of some funner things to say, see ya! yours, Li ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From divadeathcat at xxx.com Thu May 18 05:28:28 2000 From: divadeathcat at xxx.com (Li ^..^) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 04:28:28 GMT Subject: Sinister: sinister: just a quick note Message-ID: <20000518042828.5995.qmail@hotmail.com> hey :) i've knowticed that someone mentioned Stereolab in a post. i think thats so way cool :) i love stereolab :) if anyone knows bands that are similar to the stylings of Stereolab, B&S, and Looper, please mail me or post some stuff. i'm open to new things all the time and i'd be way happy if i could hear some new tunes. yours, li ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From zutroy at xxx.org Thu May 18 06:18:11 2000 From: zutroy at xxx.org (kerry) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:18:11 -0400 Subject: Sinister: i can't believe they're going to give me a diploma Message-ID: hello sinister, "hi-fi faggots" and the like. i was sitting in my room, reading martha stewart and listening to looper (geometrid), when i decided that maybe it was time to break out of my lurkdom shell and post, since i still have the opportunity for the next few days. i'm graduating from college on saturday. they're giving me a diploma for spending 4 years here and barely working. well, i actually worked pretty hard. i still don't think i deserve it, though. i'm worried i'll show up to the ceremony saturday morning, and when it's time to go up on stage and gather my symbolic peice of paper, they're going to tell me they made a mistake, and quickly usher me off the stage. ------------don't ask, don't tell-------------- as for the belle and sebastian content (which was more of a motivator for this post than my imminent graduation), i've been paying a decent amount of attention to the posts following the review of the new album by Jarrod, and i'm a little saddened by them for the most part. i'm not going to critique your posts, or comment on whether or not it's a good idea to post reviews of albums before they come out, but i had some things to say. basically, i've learned in the past that if i don't want to hear about an album before it comes out, i won't read any posts that begin with: "so i've heard the new album, and here's what i think of it," or something similar. so, keeping that in mind, i pretty much ignored Jarrod's post. while i've contemplated tracking down MP3s of FYHCYWLAP, i've opted not to, as my only experience with hearing an album before the release date resulted in much disappointment when i finally got my legal copy. (if any of you care, it was morrissey "maladjusted." got a taped copy from a friend 3 months before the album was released. lucky me. i keep it in my car now.) knowing my own weakness makes me disinclined to beat down on Jarrod for giving into the temptation, only to decide he didn't like the sound of it. if the new album sounds a lot like legal man, i might not like it either, whether it's been paid for or not doesn't matter. Johan's response to all of this was insightful, especially since i was skeptical of the quality of the MP3s Jarrod had downloaded. it's probably not so smart of me to continue this thread, but for the first time in months i actually felt like i had something to say about a thread on sinister. I think a lot of you may agree with what i've said and how i feel, and i know some of you may not. It's a good conversation to keep up, if only as a small portion of the normal bulk of emails. (which has really gone down to more of a trickle, wouldn't you say so?) a lot of people have posted some interesting ideas and opinions about discussion of unreleased material, the morality of acquiring said material, and reasons not to try and get your hands on something before the release date. a lot of these writings have actually influenced my choice not to try and hear the album early, and helped remind me to stick to that choice. --------------stereolab and VW-------------- and, on another note, someone asked about the new beetle vapor commercial and whether it's a stereolab song playing. i'm pretty sure i know the ad you're talking about, and knowing VW, it probably is stereolab. actually, i just checked their website (www.vw.com), and in the commercials section, they list all their commercials and the band and song for each. unfortunately they don't list the new beetle ads, but you might be best off checking back in the next week or so and they may have it up. -------------the end?------------------ well, that's all i've got to say. i'll be leaving school on sunday, getting home monday night, and hopefully i'll have internet access by the following monday. i can probably get away with using my father's computer for the interim, so i won't be missing any of my beloved sinister writings. but, since i can't post from my school account (and i'm not even sure how long that'll be active after i leave) this is goodbye for probably quite some time. if i have to leave for good, i'll just let you all know now that this has been a great 2 years of my life on this list. thank you honey for being a stern but fair (not to mention stunning and graceful) list mummy, and everybody who's ever given more than a passing glance to the garbage i've posted. including this. for the record, this post not only took longer than 15 minutes to write, it took closer to 45 minutes. well, back to martha stewart and reading about plastic dinnerware. the next time i post i'll be a college graduate. i hope. ;) -kerry "here i am, this is me. i am yours and everything about me, everything you see . . . if you only look hard enough." -tindersticks, "my sister" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rfadden at xxx.com Thu May 18 08:35:01 2000 From: rfadden at xxx.com (Robyn Fadden) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: and your kitchen looks like hell Message-ID: <20000518073502.8147.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> cripes. my kitchen is a terrible mess. therefore it is summer. dudes and dudettes, i was all set to tackle the t-shirt idea and fiona beat me to it, but it wasn't a race anyway and all t-shirt-related talk is good talk. i like the idea of having "sinister" on the front and "it's where we live" on the back (good on ya, jason, except for the bunnies business maybe. unless they are line drawings, which are neat, but also might look scary. and scary bunnies are bloody awful. oh god, i just had a flashback of the flaming lips concert, people in bunny suits... scary. ag. okay, it's okay. irrational phobia of people dressed up in big sweaty animal suits subsiding...) still more on t-shirts: i was going to go all kado style and write "sinister", etc. in magic marker, but i'm thinking it would be good to do it t-shirt transfer style, like put a graphic on the site so we can download it and print it off. alas, i'm no graphic artist. ideas and more ideas though. also, it would be cool too b/c even though the graphic would be low-resolution that in itself would reflect our Internet Presence. yar. and we could put it on any colour/style t-shirt then and not have to worry about too big/too small/too expensive/etc. f-u-n! also cool would be to just diy it and we would all have t-shirts saying roughly the same thing but in different fonts and styles. similar to all having picnics on the same day in different cities. yes, i am one with sinister: if it isn't raining i am having a picnic here in vancouver and all are welcome. except if you are dressed in a bunny suit. it will be in queen elizabeth park on saturday around 2. there will be a ghettoblaster blasting belle and sebastian and magnetic fields and arling&cameron and other good summer sounds. there will be picnic-related activites. in all reality, it'll be me with some cheese and a bottle of wine, but have no fear, submit to the picnic, climb the hill, submiiiit... alasdair "permanently sweaty and fact-based" cook said: many entertaining & useful things, among them: "What people used to eat." which sent my mind reeling into, like, the war of 1812 for some reason... also interesting to hear from c heil that "she's losing it" played on dateline nbc during a show on eating disorders. wha? uh. er. i'd love to meet the intern who (obviously) put forth that idea - "i've got the perfect song! no, really guys, listen, it's about this girl who's dealing with all this stuff and it's like, overwhelming, and..." them: "does it have a reference to bulemia?" do-gooder: "er, well..." thank you, barbara walters. well, anyway. harry hunt saddened me a bit with his inability-to-appreciate-beauty talk. but that will change - lethargy isn't really all that fundamental anyway. i mean look at fundamental christians - most of them snap out of it once they hit 18. this is *quite* fact-based. ahem. i mean, amen. er. but yeah, the response to beauty does not always have to be awe or gasping or wowing or running off and writing a poem about it. i mean, a lot of people wouldn't even notice the cherry blossoms - the observation itself is kind of an acknowledgement of beauty, whatever beauty is. the observation is emotional movement. i guess it's sad b/c of the mention of pointlessness and feeling that one can't do anything despite having lots of ideas. it's a bloody rough struggle to do things with ideas much of the time. but in many ways, it's sadder/more frustrating to not express these ideas. i guess it's about taking some kind of action, figuring that out like you might a math problem or a puzzle. also, if you've got a good idea, you have to get up the guts and share it (i'm also saying this to myself too, of course, being a person who tends to run off and write down pieces of poems that never get finished and should. blarg. ar. etc.) and argh, please, until june 5/6, no more blow-by-blow (especially negative) reviews of "fold your hands child..." b/c it's hard to take. (also, kind of an indication of not reading the list as i remember this being discussed not long ago.) well, maybe jarrod was joking. i don't know. but there's a line btwn discussing something and critiquing or reviewing something and sinister is more of a discussing place. i reckon. here is my point: t-shirts! deconstruct as you will. back to the neurosis, the 9-5, the sleep deprivation, lurve Robyn ===== I was reading the dictionary. I thought it was a poem about everything. ~Steven Wright ~~~ Robyn Fadden rfadden at yahoo.com Vancouver, BC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chamomile1 at xxx.com Thu May 18 09:21:35 2000 From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 01:21:35 PDT Subject: Sinister: about NME and journalists in general Message-ID: <20000518082135.19749.qmail@hotmail.com> So Steven Wells slagged off B&S and their fans (us, that is)? A word of advice and knowledge to you all, who think of writing an angry letter to NME: Don't do it, kids. Why, I hear you ask. Well, for a simple reason: By saying things like "Fuck off Wells, you know nothing and B&S are the best/ most important band in the world ever since The Smiths were here" you only strenghten his opinion about Sinisterians and B&S fans in general: That we really are ponces who feel so strongly about "our very own band" that no EVIL stuff should be written about them. And hey: I write stuff, interviews and reviews mostly, to this smallish indie/punk/metal/magazine. And I happen to know a few REAL journalists, people who actually get paid from doing that job rather than me, who only gets to keep the cd's I review and nothing else. And let me tell you, I've discussed this subject with them, and nothing is more rewarding than receiving an angry letter/ e-mail from someone who dislikes my text/opinions. Then I know I've caused some emotions. That's how it is, people, with every journalist, and that's what Wells only tried to do: to cause havoc. And remember this also: The journalist ALWAYS gets the final word. Always. You can send 1000 angry letters to NME, and in the office they can laugh at your angry rant and then... throw it into a wastebasket. They don't have to print it, you know. I know someone (maybe from Sinister ,perhaps?) will complain about Wells and his views to NME, and I know they'll print some of the letters in their next issue. And let me tell you, the staff at NME will have a field day thinking of ways to tell the person who wrote the letter to either fuck off or get himself/ herself a life. And I, I'm sorry to say, agree: It's only music, for fucks sake. Good music, yes, but still JUST music. And hey, think about yourself: You have no problem saying that europop is utter shite, and you can even name bands that are shit. You smirk whenever you notice that someone has slagged a band that's number one on your hate-list in some interview. But now, all of a sudden, you get furious just because YOUR band was laughed at. Hmmm... Me, personally, I love Wells' style of writing. It beams out FUCK YOU in this Stewart Home- type of way. What if all the magazines would be like MOJO: Informative, yes, but oh so very dull? @--->--- Jake Le PetitE ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jnikolaeff at xxx.au Thu May 18 03:15:24 2000 From: jnikolaeff at xxx.au (Juliya Nikolaeff) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:45:24 +0930 Subject: Sinister: Bi-labial fricatives Message-ID: <01BFC0BE.8E769AC0.jnikolaeff@nexus.edu.au> Good morning all, It's been a long time since posts, but I feel I need to show myself as I don't see many posts from my country on the list. Music news this morning: I hear Madison Avenue is no. 1 on the UK charts, first Australian No 1 since Men At Work back in 1983. Just call them teeny bopper dancy thangs, because they hate it. And we hate them and their song as it was shoved down our throats at every opportunity. I'm glad they're gone - maybe they'll move to the UK...... My love life: Just for anyone who remembers or cares about my Irish boy. He never called back. But I was rudely reminded of him when I got my phone bill this week. "who's mobile no is that?...." Oh. I have also been stood up by another guy since then - I must be really scarry. And expecting another stand up soon this week from a dutch/greek boy whom I have known for many months, but just managed to do the do last weekend. Maybe I might try girls again. B&S: I have suddenly become more fond of "Is it wicked not to care", where I was not fond of it at all before. Why do you think that happens to people? You buy an album and you have your favourites and songs that are just okay, and then you have new favourites and go round in circles til all are your favourites. Maybe I'm just dribbling shite - if I am just tell me and I'll stop. In response to juicy lucy My favourite word of all time... ever! comes from my least favourite of languages. The gutteral utterances of the Germanic tongue give me the willies, but its one redeeming feature is 'meerschweinchen'. The fact that it means 'guinea pig' is definitely in its favour, but just try saying it. Go on... Isn't it great? [] German is one of my favourite languages (besides Japanese), so I have to put in my two cents worth. "Krankenwagen" is definately my favourite german word. Literally meaning "sick wagon" or ambulance as it is better known. Biss. That will be all for now. It's too early in the morning to think. Juliya aka radiation girl "Ally McBeal looks like a cross between an emery board and a duck in a suit." - Judith Lucy, Law Week 2000 debate. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From p.cullen at xxx.com Thu May 18 10:56:01 2000 From: p.cullen at xxx.com (Paula Cullen) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:56:01 +0100 (GMT/BST) Subject: Sinister: Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:57:34 +0100 Message-ID: <01BFC0B7.E0CAD2C0.p.cullen@music-control.com> hola i watched that Jamie Oliver in the Naked Chef last night. WHAT A JIP!!!!! he's NOT NAKED AT ALL!!!! disappointment is NOT the word, girls. perhaps if Jamie lost some of that superfluous clothing, i could find fish pies and the like *interesting*.... let meee seee that thong jamie...... i cant BELIEVE i stayed up way past my bedtime as well to catch a 30 second glimpse of the new vid. still, it was worth it to watch that mong Tim Westwood do his best Ali G impersonation. "some cats were trying to kill me, man..." laugh? i nearly pissed myself. nick rhodes looked as beautiful as ever. i think im in love. anyway, what am i trying to say here? oh yes. now, i dont want to ruffle the feathers of all the Isobelphiles.....but.......they should *not* let that girl dance out front. seriously, it was like looking at an ironing board in a dress. i hope everyone who is going to picnics this weekend has a nice time. especially the Gayist Sequinned Poofs in london. and before i go, i was just wondering who lives in edinburgh? cos i'll be over there in a few weeks time with my brother (well, my parents will be there too, but i think it makes me sound COOLER if i dont mention that) and it would be nice to meet some of you. i was talking to someone in #sinister, i think it was keith watson, and he said he lived there. keith, was that you? hovering over the "send" button, as "they" say.... and believe me i look REALLY FUCKING STUPID standing on my desk. pawla. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elenita99 at xxx.com Thu May 18 12:28:45 2000 From: elenita99 at xxx.com (elenita99) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:28:45 CEST Subject: Sinister: Effective and almost total B&S content! Message-ID: <20000518102845.77081.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello hello Well, after many of you I have to say as well that I am pissed off by this NME article. I bought it yesterday after reading Paul and Carolines posts, and well� What really makes me feel angry is not that, ok, he doesn�t like B&S music. That�s fine with me. But making such a crap article simply based on behaviour or details about how people deal with their lives or are making privates jokes is a bit like saying �they�re from Scotland/they play tennis/ they like spaghetti so I don�t like them and they are bloody stupid�, isn�t it? And well, he�s also saying Sinister is a bunch of obsessive freaks�I don�t personally feel like a freak, do you?...:-) I waited for �Legal man� video yesterday on Channel 4...So I saw some 30 seconds of it�As I didn�t heard it before it�s a bit short to get in it, but as I watched Eurotrash before it well�yes it sounds a bit like it...and quite different as well from the rest of their songs, but not bad.... And the video seems really fun, at least the extract I saw. Anyway, I hope the weather gets better til Saturday, so we'll have nice pic-nic (what's weather like in USA/Scandinavia/Ireland?) Love and hugs to you all Elena ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dunca_chap at xxx.com Thu May 18 12:29:55 2000 From: dunca_chap at xxx.com (Adam Chapman) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:29:55 GMT Subject: Sinister: about NME and journalists in general Message-ID: <20000518112955.15215.qmail@hotmail.com> Ladies and gentlemen, follow this advice, Mr Wells has a big enough ego as it is and that article really does seem to have been calculated to annoy, and do we care that B+S aren't Primal Scream? Its not as if we didn't already know... And in any case isn't it a bit odd that something as inherently capitalistic as P!O!P! [it is, be fair], that relies to a greater or lesser extent on the continued existence of the consumer society, suddenly wants to develop a strand commited to destroying its lifeblood i.e. the wonders of 'revolutionary' anarchism, please, please leave that to the Sociaist workers party. > >So Steven Wells slagged off B&S and their fans (us, that is)? A word of >advice and knowledge to you all, who think of writing an angry letter to >NME: Don't do it, kids. > props to Jarrko, Adam ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From marc_bloomfield at xxx.org Thu May 18 13:12:30 2000 From: marc_bloomfield at xxx.org (marc_bloomfield at xxx.org) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:12:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: interviews and the like References: <20000518112955.15215.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Hello all, I see most people have read the NME interview. Well, let's face it, we all knew it was going to be cack. It was with Steven Wells, and since his interviews are inevitably excrutiatingly embarrassing, and reviews frankly poor, it's no surprise that he chose to do an interview and miss the point, just to wind a few people up. Primal Scream (or is it Prml Scrm these days) were never bothered about politics in their music until ADF came along and showed them up - 'Rocks' anyone? 'Higher Than The Sun'? 'Kowalski'? I think they've got a serious case of bandwagon-hopping. And let's face it, they've been on the slide since 'Screamadelica' which is a lovely album. I saw the vid for 'Legal Man' on the predictably poor Jo Whiley show. Shame they only showed about half a minute of it, as I've not got a radio, and so never heard it before. And my oh my how right everyone was - it sounds extraordinarily like the Eurotrash music. Still great though, a lovely surprise. It's nice to have B&S you can actually dance to without looking like a complete loon (actually, that's probably just me...). Album reviews before it comes out - all well and good. If someone doesn't like it, they've got every right to say so. But people always rate TBWTAS as disappointing, and that's how I got into the wonderful world of B&S in the first place. I guess I'm alone in rating IYFS as my least favourite of the three (my own favourite is 'Tigermilk', so I'm glad that was rereleased). On a different note, the idea of a world picnic day is fantastic, so let's hope there are picnics going on everywhere (one day there'll be an Internet link-up - does anyone have laptops? just a thought...). I just hope the weather holds up for them all - it's gone all crappy here in London, so I hope we don't get rained out. Mainly because I've had to work stupidly long hours and weekends with no overtime (sympathy please), and I need a nice day off. I hope there'll be lots of people there, although I don't know how many sarnies to make. I'm sure someone'll let me know. Anyone like Philadelphia and jam? I love it, but it seems a bit of a waste of time if no one else wants it... Question: should I feel like a fraud going to 2000TT when I'm 23? Well, I suppose that's enough from me. I hope there's enough stuff here to please everyone, rather than bore them to tears (I tried, oh how I tried). My lunchbreak's nearly over, then back to panicking again. Bye all, Marc. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cbrown2 at xxx.com Thu May 18 14:17:12 2000 From: cbrown2 at xxx.com (cbrown2 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:17:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: slightly off message Message-ID: <862568E3.004925BB.00@em-stpmta-01.mmm.com> Hello everyone, haven't spoken to you lot for a while and now when I do it's smacks a little of list abuse, oh dear. Anyway, did any of you lot happen to tape the Delgado's peel session on Tuesday night as I was having a brainwave at the time and, for some reason watching Leyton Orient play the West Ham youth squad (dont ask) If anyone did can I send you a blank tape so's I can get a copy, it would be greatly appreciated. Back on message- Steven Wells? once a fat bald tosser always a fat bald tosser. B&S are just this years target, he's done this sort of thing to other bands before and he'll do it to others in the future. New album? there's loads of other good new stuff to be listening to in the meantime - Great Eastern and the Doves album to name two Anyway good day to you all and thanks to you lovely people who kept me in touch while I was over in the land of oz Ta ra Chris +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lixibell at xxx.com Thu May 18 14:23:43 2000 From: lixibell at xxx.com (alix campbell) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:23:43 GMT Subject: Sinister: ignore hasty indignation. i am a hypocrit and contradictory Message-ID: <20000518132343.70030.qmail@hotmail.com> so who are this belle and sebastian you're all arguing about? so the new album eh? so what if you've heard it. lots of people havent and lots have. jarrod, if you knew you were going to cause a backlash why did you post about it? seems a bit incendiary. i'm not going to get involved in this, i shall keep schtum*. i just think you should all remember that some people like surprises, and *it* does matter to people just how they hear about songs by bands they like. a lot. i know i'd want to tell the world about it, if i had it in advance, but isn't that just boasting? byebye lixi, regretting this already. *yes, i know i contradicted myself in the next sentence. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From janne.lardot at radiolinja.fi Thu May 18 16:23:00 2000 From: janne.lardot at radiolinja.fi (Lardot Janne RL) Date: 18 May 2000 17:23:00 +0200 Subject: Sinister: ...and you will know me by the trail of cigarett e butts... Message-ID: hello list. LEGAL MAN i heard it for the first time yesterday. and yes, it really is bluddy grate. i taped the tuesday night's alternative nation, and now i have the legal man video!! i've seen it about 17 times already, and the song gets better every time. my plane to london leaves in about 3 hours, and i'm starting to hyperventilate, 'cos i haven't packed and and and... i briefly considered taking the video with me, so we could watch it over and over again at the london picnic, until i realised, that it's quite unlikely that someone will have a telly and a vcr at the park with them.... oh well. LONDON PICNIC so. greenwich hill then? i'll try to find it, altough i probaply won't. if someone sees a bewildered tourist with blue clothes, and silver hair looking lost, please come and take my hand. i have the map and all, but... HELSINKI PICNIC and how ironic it is, that at the same as i'm enjoying "the big lights" of london, jarkko and maria are organising a picnic at my home town. wish i could be there. next time then. maybe. actually, that's not ironic at all, when i come to think about it... LEGAL MAN II the friendly neighbourhood record store promised me the legal man single for monday. no prizes for guessing that it still hasn't arrived. and neither has the new black box recorder cd. and the "lovely" people of boxman STILL haven't gotten round to delivering my yo la tengo, lambchop or go-kart mozart cd:s. i'm living in a musical vacuum here, folks. REVIEWS OF FISHYCLAP i don't mind people giving their opinions on the new album. i don't even mind them not liking it. it will be fab. i've convinced myself thus. it's b&s for sod's sake! it simply cannot be crap. SINISTER T-SHIRTS bring them on. i'll have two. THE END right. have to go now. plane to catch, you know. see (some of) you in london. hugs and kisses to all you lovely people. - j a n n e - +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From divadeathcat at xxx.com Thu May 18 15:44:26 2000 From: divadeathcat at xxx.com (Li ^..^) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:44:26 GMT Subject: Sinister: a thankyou Message-ID: <20000518144426.34595.qmail@hotmail.com> hey all :) just wanted to thank all the people who wrote back to me about some new tunes and bands and stuff! Komeda and the High Llamas are so toatally groovy :):) also, the address to where my art is posted was writen wrong, here is the correct address: http://members.xoom.com/atascosita/aphexxart.html there you go! write be back if you have any opinions on anything you see :) feel free to bash me all you want too. i've got some pretty thick skin :P :) and besides, i need some suggestions anyway :):) oh well..i'm off. flip flop floom, going zoom, Li PS: i know what you people mean about how mp3's suck. i think they suck too. i have SOME from Napster, but i could never litsen to anything by B&S, Looper, High Llamas ect.. on my computer. it's just not as groovy, you know? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Thu May 18 15:59:39 2000 From: ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:59:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The Naked Chief In-Reply-To: <01BFC0B7.E0CAD2C0.p.cullen@music-control.com> Message-ID: <3924136D.5963.250329@localhost> Paula Cullen shouted: > WHAT A JIP!!!!! > he's NOT NAKED AT ALL!!!! > disappointment is NOT the word, girls. > perhaps if Jamie lost some of that superfluous clothing, i could find fish > pies and the like *interesting*.... let meee seee that thong jamie...... We were watching The Naked Chef last night and I was wondering why it was that they always cut out half of what Jamie is saying. I said that it's probably because in those bits he's saying rude things, so we had some fun filling in the gaps by shouting "cock biscuits" whenever they cut for no reason. Then someone else suggested that maybe in those bits he's actually getting naked (he is the naked chef), and the camera always cuts just before he drops his trousers and displays his naked chief. If this is true, maybe Paula should try and get her hands on the uncut version. The idea's certainly put me off trying any of Jamie's creamy curry, that's for sure. About Steven Wells saying that B+S weren't rebellious, the last time I looked, being rebellious meant going against the mainstream, and seeing as today's mainstream is Oasis and Robbie's rock by numbers, I think Belle and Sebastian are about as rebellious as you can get. As for Primal Scream, I remember reading somewhere that Bobby Gillespie's main argument for his type of politics was that it was like being in a gang. He wants to wear his politics as his fucking gang colours. In the same article he blamed all sorts of things on capitalism, like claiming it had messed up his head with too many drugs. Well, actually, Bobby, I think someone else is to blame for that, you know? Bluddy 'ell. Youn wrote, with rather distressing accuracy; >Robin's posts always seem to be out of the twenties or thirties >when ...most everybody lived in a small town and there was this >grocer boy and a village green and bright sunshine and walking by >the river... Funnily enough I do come from a small town with a river, and it's a place where you can provoke all types of abuse from the townies just from something innocuous, like wearing a blue suit, or wearing plimsols instead of trainers. That's rebellion, kids. sorry for being angry Robin x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris_t_opher at xxx.com Thu May 18 18:16:24 2000 From: chris_t_opher at xxx.com (Chris_t_opher) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:16:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The book's back on the shelf: a study of one boy's failure to revise. References: <200005172222.XAA10638@missprint.org> Message-ID: <002401bfc0ec$cc8bebc0$8b2b073e@gsh> Good Morn. I finished school on Tuesday. Mother wanted me to spend the day revising (5 days to exams and counting). I had other plans. You'd be surprised how much fun 12 hours can be with beer, a curry, a football and some dodgy dancing. One of my friends went for the alternative approach of 14 pints before lunchtime and then a few hours napping in a field. We didn't want to disturb his sleep, although he was 'accidently' hit with the football a few times. When we carried on pubbing after the curry, we met up with some girls i've known for 7 years and my 'friends' decided to try embarassing me in front of them. There was one girl who i still find attractive despite not really talking to for 2 years [does that remind anyone of an Arab Strap lyric?]. I don't think i managed more than 20 seconds talking to her before my friends decided i looked like i was having too much fun and came to my 'rescue'. Roll on University! The day ended with me injuring my back picking up people who obviously weighed more than me and then waiting 2 hours for a taxi to take us home. Whilst we were waiting, three boys tried starting a fight with me. On the way home, one of my friends was quite racist to the taxi driver, despite my attempts to shut him up. We ended up walked the last 200 yards. I read Stuart's guide to failing exams twice today. This stuck out: > I hope you can avoid doing the same, > but I know there's no way of avoiding > your own fuck-ups. That's how it is with me right now. Everything's going wrong but i can't avoid it. In fact, it's quite a refreshing feeling; Knowing that something isn't beyond your power, but still not being able to do anything. I think i need something nasty to happen to me. It might wake me up. About the NME article-effort, the Idlefruit said: > if you disagreed with Steven Wells, > write a letter to Angst. Or e mail them. No, no. Keep showing irritation on the list. It amuses me, at least. Although, I'm sure Honey will take me to one side for saying that. :o) MP3s are good for your health. I mean, when else could you hear Sleater Kinney shouting "Do you think i'm an animal....am i not?" followed by the Dangermouse theme-tune, followed by Barry White grumbling "My first, my last, my everything"? Ok, so i could make myself a mix tape but i'd never be able to GET some of these tunes in the first place. I'm sure it'll cost the industry dearly, and it'll possibly stop bands that i might fall in love with from reaching daylight, but i have to say "Good luck, Napster!" I saw a whole 20 seconds of the Legal Man video yesterday. Stu looked like the boss-man from Ally McBeal and Bel looked quite nice. I won't make any artistic comment about it because i don't really like music videos [although i would say the idea seems too glam for our boys and girls]. Politics and music don't mix too well, do they? Maybe that's why i hate Billy Bragg so much. Or maybe it's because he's just crap. I think Belle and Sebastian have the right idea when they just make some songs with no alterior motive other than to entertain or please themselves and other people. Beautiful music with 'interesting' lyrics [NB. B+S lyrics aren't just 'interesting, they're 'likeable'!!] is far better than any lyrically revolutionary song where music takes the back-seat. I know a lot of you disagree but i only use music for entertainment. If i wanted to learn something useful, I'd read a book. .....Which takes me back to the subject line. Stop distracting me, Sinister. You'll cost me dearly one day. grrrr. Back to semantic errors for me... Chris_t_opher ++ This has been officially certified a fifteen minute post [but that's only because i'm a slow thinker] ++ "I don't get emotional. I'm annoyingly calm and i'm an irritating bastard. i would loathe me" - Moby +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From no_surprises_21 at xxx.com Thu May 18 18:41:44 2000 From: no_surprises_21 at xxx.com (Chris Heil) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:41:44 PDT Subject: Sinister: starbucks Message-ID: <20000518174144.75376.qmail@hotmail.com> Do any of you think there is a coincedence between Starbucks always having B&S on their playlist at their coffee shops, and the starbucks cups all over the Legal Man cd? I think Legal Man should be at the opening of the next Austin Powers movie. I can already see Mike Myers dancing to it. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From carrot515 at xxx.com Thu May 18 21:50:12 2000 From: carrot515 at xxx.com (carrot515 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:50:12 -0700 Subject: Sinister: The New Album: Don't Ask, Don't Tell Policy Message-ID: <20000518.135013.-280645.0.carrot515@juno.com> Hmm where to begin... perhaps the reason why everyone is being so pissy about this review is they've unwrapped their shiny new copies of legal man...12" & cd because you're a fan and jeepster wouldn't just toss around the "extended version" tag lightly right?....and then maybe you popped in said single and were... i don't know maybe slapped in the face with exactly the kind of mediocrity that jarrod exposed to be forthcoming... this kind of restriction and cencorship on a list open enough to post what should really be diary entries and maintain a sort of gallery contain the rude bits of some of its members(tee hee...)is really kind of hypocritical...is the opinion what scares you? or the fact that he may be right? what is the harm in posting your feelings about this band's music....isn't this really... you know...a music discussion list? would there have been this sort of uproar if the review had been glowing? this is all extremely hard for me to swallow...i've been subscribed to this list for quite a long time...and i feel bad for honey and the fact that he now has to constantly shepherd this flock around lest it collapse as a result of going too far astray...an unenviable task to be sure also what used to be my little band....my little secret that were too fragile to survive in the big wide world of mainstream music.....have taken that leap...they're everywhere.... porn magazines have mentioned them for christ sakes....and it seems they are imploding under this pressure...sure they snagged that brit award...but really shouldn't we all have been a little worried for what that sort of exposure would do to them stuart m recedes deeper and deeper into the woodwork with every release...both of the press and musical variety...and unfortunately what it has proved is that his is the true musical talent behind the group...the true vision...and sure to be the largest casualty once this whole thing blows up....whereas prior albums were recorded in weeks this new work has taken hmm...almost 2 years.....pressure pressure...i loved this band with all my musical beating heart....but with each release they are quickly becoming less and less dear to me....seeing someone with a "i study at show" shirt used to be a joy and a triumph for us all....these days you have to wonder....maybe thats the indie nerd inside me....but hell without that guy i never would have found them in the first place...weren't all the early songs..(ie before they started going that gangster rap route and singing about lawyers) about outsiders doing their thing and being okay anyway? it's hard to keep up that outlook when frat boys, jocks, (insert your favorite bad guy stereotype here) the worldwide have their meaty claws all over your favorite little band, as elitest as it may seem...although surely the opinion nazis here could give me a pointer or to about the concept of elitism, eh? so the day when i leave this band and its community behind is seemingly rapidly approaching...leave to find a new band to save my soul and make bad days alright....although i pray to every possible deity that i am forced to eat these words and sentiments, to admit that B&S are still on top of their shit...on top of the music world, right where they belonged i realize in advance that my opinion was not requested...and therefore i shouldn't have divulged...but you know i really didnt ask over the past years to hear about what you ate for dinner and how you're doing in school and to see your penis through your unbuttoned jeans....difference being i never complained whereas surely you will enjoy your lunches and dinners xoxo love ryan ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kpc98c at xxx.UK Thu May 18 19:34:14 2000 From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:34:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: pimple things Message-ID: <200005181834.TAA13401@missprint.org> Hi... Two posts in a week I bet you think I'm really clever don't you boy.. not! Went for five consecutive games of bowling last night which is why my right arm is totally knackered, so sorry for any typos with any of the right hand side keys :-) Just read Jarrod's posts and the replies, I haven't got much to say on this subject but, what I can say is I treat new records buying as quite an occasion (probably because I don't do it very often..), and knowing all about it before hand, critiques or praises, really ruins it. Like watching football match when you already know the result, or watching last week's lottery draw... so to cut a story short it's not nice and I'd rather not to read about it. If you have really itchy hand and you have *got* to write a review.. then how about translate the review into gobbledygook using a technique called ROT-13, which turns text into something like this "fbzrguvat yvxr guvf" so that only people who really want to read the review will decipher it and read it (like the "reveal" button in teletext... ) I've written a ROT-13 translator just for all of you to use to send, and decipher the messages... go to http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~kpc98c/sinister/rot13.html to use it. Try and decipher this! (copy and paste onto input box) V guvax Xra gur whttyre vf ernyyl frkl naq V jbhyq ybir gb xvff uvz znal, znal, znal gvzrf! and do let me know if you have any problems with it.. cos it's done in javascript which isn't perfect for this kind of things! Funny clowns and red bulls! Ken ====================================================================== but if you're feeling sinister, go off and see a minister he'll try in vein to take away the pain of being a hopeless unbeliever - Belle & Sebastian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Catspaw1 at xxx.com Thu May 18 19:36:13 2000 From: Catspaw1 at xxx.com (Catspaw1 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:36:13 EDT Subject: Sinister: Don't Ask, Don't Tell Policy Message-ID: <6b.46b96df.2655921d@aol.com> I consider IYFS to be the band's best, but I recognize TBWTAS as a leap forward in terms of musical progress. As such, I'm not expecting B&S to stay in a rut forever, and am open to any new sounds they care to foist upon us. >From there I'll make my own judgment. But did I hear that posting reviews to the list is a no-no? This is list policy? Maybe I misunderstood, but if this is the case, can someone explain why? If a post is clearly labeled "review" then that should eliminate all of this whining about having to listen someone else's opinion, right? I'm having trouble with the notion that a mailing list about a band would make reviews taboo.... B Clay +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Coldcolours at xxx.com Thu May 18 19:49:23 2000 From: Coldcolours at xxx.com (Coldcolours at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:49:23 EDT Subject: Sinister: The New Album: Don't Ask, Don't Tell Policy Message-ID: <34.557c502.26559533@aol.com> Hello, Question: Which is a greater threat to the viability of this mailing list, the perceived irrelevance of some of the posts, or the insults and negativity of those who protest them? I personally would much rather read about the lives of B+S fans and their attempts to reconcile to the band's new found popularity (?) than a hundred and one reviews of the legal man video. This is a time of chaos/conflict for all us self-proclaimed indie snobs (or just me :) ) who want to keep B+S under the bed, so we can enjoy it exactly as we perceive it, and not have it be spoiled by the indifference or misinterpretation of the "mainstream." I find other fans' perspectives on this fascinating. To those who are annoyed by this list: you knew when you signed up that it was not straight, low-volume content. You are killing the list as you protest against its dying by insulting people and being rude. That's all I have to say about that. If you think I am mistaken about the purpose of this list, then correct me. But nicely, please! Joanna PS Perhaps we are adopting premature opinions about the new album just so we can have opinions? Maybe we shouldn't judge until we have weighed the evidence carefully. Maybe we just shouldn't judge at all. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.org Thu May 18 21:17:04 2000 From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:17:04 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: REQUIRED READING FOR LIST MEMBERS (but said in a low voice) In-Reply-To: <6b.46b96df.2655921d@aol.com> Message-ID: Catspaw1 at aol.com said: > But did I hear that posting reviews to the list is a no-no? This is list > policy? No. List policy is all in the FAQ at: http://www.missprint.org/sinister/faq.html It's always been there, and you were all sent it when you joined; you can all go and read it anytime. It took ages to write, and was the product of a lot of help and suggestions from a lot of kind people who care about this list and have given a lot to it. It's long, but you make it. One of the things the FAQ says, and this is important, is: Don't comment on what is or isn't a "good mail" to the list, and the nature of content on the list please: comments such as "you shouldn't have posted that, it's not on-topic" or "I think we should be able to talk about ... and it's none of your business to stop us". These kind of discussions about mailing lists *on* mailing lists are as old as the hills and go round and round - any attempt to "improve" list content inevitably results in an increasingly tedious well-trod path or "yes we can", "no you can't" and the list always gets worse. Mails about list content are not considered a valid subject for this list, and I will put a stop to such if I see them starting. The correct response if you see postings you don't like is: (a) mail the sender politely and with panache, explaining why, and/or (b) mail me and let me know. If I get a few comments on a particular thread on the list I will always act to make it work for the majority of people; plus it makes me feel wanted. What is starting up right now is just such a discussion; we had similar about 9 months ago and the list nearly closed after disappearing up its own backside, the argument about list content getting narrower, more brainless and more squalid as time went on. It's how mailing lists die. So please stop these discussions now, or I'll act, according to what I'm asked to do by the majority of people who send me private emails. And opinion is currently very heavily stacked *against* this sort of content, and asking me to stop it. Everyone seems to know what they don't want this list to turn into by now, and those who have been on other mailing lists probably know it best. So any repetition of this now and I'll start throwing switches. Which I hate doing. That includes responses to recent mails about list content. Mail me if you think that's wrong of me, I'll put it with the other opinions and I promise to always weigh them, and in the end you'll get a reply back. But please do bear with me though, I'm very very swamped with email right now. Yes, there was some discussion about the degree to which reviews of the new LP should appear on the list, and a vague consensus was reached by you all that for those who might not want to read it, you should make it very clear what the mail is about. But we don't need to retread that discussion now please. It's all in the archive, you can find anything you need in the archive if you read how the search works and think a little. Please do bear in mind that there's a whole lot of promos, tapes of promos etc etc floating around now, so you're unlikely to be the first to have heard a song: others have probably made their own decisions not to post reviews yet. And of course some poor soul who wanted 5 minutes of fame digitised his/her tape of a tape of a promo and put it on Napster. Duh. But please, remember your opinion is your opinion. Strong opinions are a good thing, so please do express them here, but with some diplomacy. Don't tell others what "the facts" are, and set up some sort of argument that (a) they will disagree with you when they hear the LP, and (b) they will still "be wrong". I'll make a radical prediction: of the 1300 people here on this list, a whole lot will love the new LP, a whole lot will think it's "ok" but not as good as the others, and a good few will think it stinks, is indicative of artistic and aesthetic decay, and have their say then drift off the list. I hope they do it with grace. None of these people are wrong, it's just that some are more right than others :) Look, I'm sorry if I sound terribly ratty at the moment. I do worry when people take things I say the wrong way, and get upset, or think I've said one thing when I didn't mean to sound like I did. It makes me feel very inarticulate, and I know my mails are sometimes spaghetti. It's just very tiring just now, and there is a sense of spinning out of control going on. I'd like to keep this thing going if you can all help. The band have a new LP coming out soon, one that's likely to sell more, and provoke more discussion and higher temperatures than any previous release; the list subscription is suddenly rocketing up after being flat for a year, the chatroom is filling up with new people, and the nursery door is bulging. Sinister likes new people, and I was very worried after my last mail that a couple of people thought I was protecting an old guard of list members, or saying only budding novelists were allowed to post. I'm really sorry if I put some innocent people off posting. If you're new, then please do post, and show us the way. If you're shy about posting, we probably need you to post as much as those who aren't. All I'm asking is that *anyone* who posts to the list pauses, re-reads their mail, asks themselves how much we all want to hear, and does simple stuff like check in the archive, use the search etc. for questions that might've been asked before. And posts with some tact and thought as to the effects of what they are saying. Yes, that means you too. Now, if you don't mind I'll add a couple of things to the list footer from Steven Wells' NME piece that he said about us, just because it amuses me. Remember he's just doing his rather contrived job, and I promise I'll remove them soon: they do make the list footer very long. I just can't resist. At night I dream of the secretive conversation between Steven and his counterpart on the MM: "Wait, who's going to hate B&S and who's going to love them?" "Me, me I'll do the love bit..." "But I think they're well.. ok sort of..." "Shh". He also added a string of adjectives, applied to a paraphrase of a post to this list: I like to think it was mine of a week ago, but it could be equally well yours. I think I'll add them to my signature, you could add them to yours too. Honey x -- "unbelievably naive... appallingly dishonest... stupendously dull... intellectually insulting... elitist... perverse... self-conscious... petulant... intensely irritating" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sanangel22 at xxx.com Thu May 18 21:43:24 2000 From: sanangel22 at xxx.com (Jarrod San Angel) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:43:24 PDT Subject: No subject Message-ID: <20000518204324.90064.qmail@hotmail.com> "hi. well done. once they get all high and mighty on you -you're doomed." "It's so funny that they hate you for being informative. I laughed and laughed at the diatribe in point form! Sheesh, these guys crack me up." "I've had the album for awhile and my first impression of it wasn't good. But I've been listening for weeks now and I'm seeing more depth to it as time goes on. It does demand a bit more or the listener, yes. Some songs I'm never going to like, but that might be me. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. The band were trying out some new things, and good for them -- I'd be a little disappointed if they kept turning the same thing out over and over again." "The prime rules, which seem to make sense are: Read the FAQ and Rules (so you know what the list is like); Don't Talk About The List on the List (so the list doesn't get its head up its own arse)" "I hope nobody was too mean to you. I've been gone off on in the past, so I know it's not pleasant :)" "Personally, I will buy it, wait and listen, and see what I think." "Hoping legal man isn't a taste of things to come though. I know they said change etc is good, but not if you turn into a bunch of mainstream rip off merchants. Although this might get them more sales, they could end up alienating those fans that won't jump just cos Isobel does." "Although that said, Legal Man is working its way into me. Usually however, a B+S song is capable of doing that on the first occasion of hearing it, and I think it says something if this one is taking longer than usual." "I do object to them ripping into you. First of all because: a. it makes them look like a bunch of Manic Street Preachers fans, or goths, in their intense love for the band; b. you are freely entitled to an opinion, and nobody has the right to silence you cos you speak out against the regime; c your point had better grounding really, than that of theirs. I think yours was more objective, while they appeared to be in such a swizzle about it, seemed to loose logic of arguement in favour of feverent passion. d. Isobel is shit. Very shit. shes dull and boring. Personally, I think Stevie Jackson numbers are quite good, quite harmonious vocie, but isobel, well, would B+S be classed twee if it wasn't for her? shes irritating, and quite frankly, her music is a little to simple and cutsie for me. I like lyrics and singing that makes an intelligent observation upon things that although I can't always relate to, can sway my understanding. e. I bet even the band would appreciate your honesty, and if I were them, I think I'd have to take a deep breath and worry about some of those hyper senstive cases taking offence on their behalf." "Ignore those few silly sods in the sinister list that so openly think that their opinion is that of the masses, and speak out against you in the list. Personally, I believe that if they had wanted those opinions purely expressed as their own, a private message would have been in order. Don't shy away from speaking out. Sod them, they don't know whether they are a majority or minority unless we run a poll, and despite this, nobody can tell you that you must never speak out against B+S. if anyone does, they will either be told to f*** off, or, if it were Honey, who I doubt it would be, then to be honest, I think some of the more democratical members will take their leave and boycott. And Honey isn't the type to do that. You take care, and stay outspoken! it generates thought amidst the stale conversations!" AND FINALLY.... "Don't take any shit from these kids!! I'm in full conurrence with what you said." ** Hello Fellow Sinisterians ** The above snippets and excerpts were taken from various emails that are now clogging up my inbox, and let it be known that ALL of these thoughts are more than welcome. I'm a stalwart believer in encouraging a healthy flow and exchange of ideas, thoughts, opinions - contradictory, inflammatory, & challenging or not! It is only through constant dialogue with one another that we gain a greater understanding of ourselves - the precious souls that so merrily (or merrilessly) populate this great list. This is incredibly important - more so than more of a few of you even come close to comprehending. My reason for posting some of your comments to me is simple: to showcase for all the great cross-section of thought available here. After examining so many different words - words of anger, venom, and rage; words of support & understanding - I deemed it necessary to display the variety - the unignorable diversity - of mindsets, thoughts, and stances here. Only by addressing the issue can we begin to correct it - if "correcting" it is at all something we need to consider. Personally, I'm intrigued by the array of emotion I've been witness to here. My original intent was not to start a war of sorts, but to simply air my own opinion of the new album. I'll confess that I could have done so in a more respectful manner - and by that, I mean perhaps I should not have ultimately dubbed the album a "letdown," (and instead say that I'm really going to need time for this one to grow on me), but the flipside of all of this is that what I wrote really got us talking - even confronting the dysfunction that seems to be evident on this list. The rules of the list seem as ridiculous as those in The Cider House Rules, should any of you read the book. It's a bit of a joke, really, that there are rules at all, as lists like this not only provide a forum for celebration for a band, but a much needed trading of new and different ideas and such. You can't regulate such a thing without there being lines drawn, and emotions upset. So I'm all for dropping any rules, and having a free for all.. Write what you feel, and feel what you write. Be honest, be open. If it gets us to really deal with each other on a more human, more sincere and genuine level, then I say that's a good thing. Progress! Jarrod San Angel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sanangel22 at xxx.com Thu May 18 21:44:32 2000 From: sanangel22 at xxx.com (Jarrod San Angel) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:44:32 PDT Subject: Sinister: Thus Spoke Every Zarathustra Message-ID: <20000518204432.74434.qmail@hotmail.com> "hi. well done. once they get all high and mighty on you -you're doomed." "It's so funny that they hate you for being informative. I laughed and laughed at the diatribe in point form! Sheesh, these guys crack me up." "I've had the album for awhile and my first impression of it wasn't good. But I've been listening for weeks now and I'm seeing more depth to it as time goes on. It does demand a bit more or the listener, yes. Some songs I'm never going to like, but that might be me. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. The band were trying out some new things, and good for them -- I'd be a little disappointed if they kept turning the same thing out over and over again." "The prime rules, which seem to make sense are: Read the FAQ and Rules (so you know what the list is like); Don't Talk About The List on the List (so the list doesn't get its head up its own arse)" "I hope nobody was too mean to you. I've been gone off on in the past, so I know it's not pleasant :)" "Personally, I will buy it, wait and listen, and see what I think." "Hoping legal man isn't a taste of things to come though. I know they said change etc is good, but not if you turn into a bunch of mainstream rip off merchants. Although this might get them more sales, they could end up alienating those fans that won't jump just cos Isobel does." "Although that said, Legal Man is working its way into me. Usually however, a B+S song is capable of doing that on the first occasion of hearing it, and I think it says something if this one is taking longer than usual." "I do object to them ripping into you. First of all because: a. it makes them look like a bunch of Manic Street Preachers fans, or goths, in their intense love for the band; b. you are freely entitled to an opinion, and nobody has the right to silence you cos you speak out against the regime; c your point had better grounding really, than that of theirs. I think yours was more objective, while they appeared to be in such a swizzle about it, seemed to loose logic of arguement in favour of feverent passion. d. Isobel is shit. Very shit. shes dull and boring. Personally, I think Stevie Jackson numbers are quite good, quite harmonious vocie, but isobel, well, would B+S be classed twee if it wasn't for her? shes irritating, and quite frankly, her music is a little to simple and cutsie for me. I like lyrics and singing that makes an intelligent observation upon things that although I can't always relate to, can sway my understanding. e. I bet even the band would appreciate your honesty, and if I were them, I think I'd have to take a deep breath and worry about some of those hyper senstive cases taking offence on their behalf." "Ignore those few silly sods in the sinister list that so openly think that their opinion is that of the masses, and speak out against you in the list. Personally, I believe that if they had wanted those opinions purely expressed as their own, a private message would have been in order. Don't shy away from speaking out. Sod them, they don't know whether they are a majority or minority unless we run a poll, and despite this, nobody can tell you that you must never speak out against B+S. if anyone does, they will either be told to f*** off, or, if it were Honey, who I doubt it would be, then to be honest, I think some of the more democratical members will take their leave and boycott. And Honey isn't the type to do that. You take care, and stay outspoken! it generates thought amidst the stale conversations!" AND FINALLY.... "Don't take any shit from these kids!! I'm in full conurrence with what you said." ** Hello Fellow Sinisterians ** The above snippets and excerpts were taken from various emails that are now clogging up my inbox, and let it be known that ALL of these thoughts are more than welcome. I'm a stalwart believer in encouraging a healthy flow and exchange of ideas, thoughts, opinions - contradictory, inflammatory, & challenging or not! It is only through constant dialogue with one another that we gain a greater understanding of ourselves - the precious souls that so merrily (or merrilessly) populate this great list. This is incredibly important - more so than more of a few of you even come close to comprehending. My reason for posting some of your comments to me is simple: to showcase for all the great cross-section of thought available here. After examining so many different words - words of anger, venom, and rage; words of support & understanding - I deemed it necessary to display the variety - the unignorable diversity - of mindsets, thoughts, and stances here. Only by addressing the issue can we begin to correct it - if "correcting" it is at all something we need to consider. Personally, I'm intrigued by the array of emotion I've been witness to here. My original intent was not to start a war of sorts, but to simply air my own opinion of the new album. I'll confess that I could have done so in a more respectful manner - and by that, I mean perhaps I should not have ultimately dubbed the album a "letdown," (and instead say that I'm really going to need time for this one to grow on me), but the flipside of all of this is that what I wrote really got us talking - even confronting the dysfunction that seems to be evident on this list. The rules of the list seem as ridiculous as those in The Cider House Rules, should any of you read the book. It's a bit of a joke, really, that there are rules at all, as lists like this not only provide a forum for celebration for a band, but a much needed trading of new and different ideas and such. You can't regulate such a thing without there being lines drawn, and emotions upset. So I'm all for dropping any rules, and having a free for all.. Write what you feel, and feel what you write. Be honest, be open. If it gets us to really deal with each other on a more human, more sincere and genuine level, then I say that's a good thing. Progress! Jarrod San Angel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lofemo at xxx.com Thu May 18 21:49:35 2000 From: lofemo at xxx.com (kevin-m) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: mod fight club Message-ID: <20000518204935.23636.qmail@web1004.mail.yahoo.com> hello again. last night i was at mod club, a wed. night event in toronto when i heard a song that i thought could be legal man (which i had only heard once the previous saturday at the blowup). as i broke off a conversation to listen to the song for a second, these guys started shouting and smashing glasses. i looked over and saw a poor girl get shoved over a chair and then all the girl's mod friends drag these two guys outside where there was a big fight. it would seem that they weren't regulars, got really drunk and started to slag some people. either way, one of the guys got in a cab, almost got pulled out but then managed to hop in another and drive off. it was almost entertaining (there's not much of that stuff in toronto) but i missed legal man, if that's what it was. maybe i should wait until i get paid next week and buy the cd. yes, i think so. hope you are well much love, k. |lofemo at hotmail.com|www.members.tripod.com/lofemo| __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.org Thu May 18 22:34:37 2000 From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:34:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Thus Spoke Every Zarathustra In-Reply-To: <20000518204432.74434.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Copied to the list: let this be an end to the discussion of list content please. Jarrod, I'll assume you sent your mails before you saw mine to the list. Please don't misunderstand me. I'd never in a thousand years say people shouldn't criticise the band, or the label on this list. I don't think you did anything wrong in giving your opinions of the LP, such as you heard it via MP3. We differ a little in your style of delivery, but that's a personal matter, not a list protocol matter. And strong and varying opinions are the meat of any mailing list. So far so good. But please understand this list has rules, and you signed up for them when you subscribed. They've evolved over a long time, involved a lot of people, who have reached a powerful consensus over how to make a mailing list this big and this active survive. They took a lot of time and a lot of patient care by a lot of people who worked to make this list what it is today, and that work continues, by the kind people who take time to mail me. I therefore can't help but wince a little when you say: > The rules of the list seem as ridiculous as those in The Cider House > Rules, should any of you read the book. Forgive me, that stings a little. This is your opinion. But this list has rules, others don't have so many, or none, and you make your own choices where to live. And that's fine. > It's a bit of a joke, really, > that there are rules at all, We differ. > as lists like this not only provide a forum for > celebration for a band, but a much needed trading of new and different ideas > and such. Very very true. And not just celebration, and not just the band. > You can't regulate such a thing without there being lines drawn, > and emotions upset. I believe exactly the opposite, and I think the current episode shows that. And we both agree that lines being drawn are sometimes a good things, sometimes bad I think. > So I'm all for dropping any rules, and having a free > for all.. Jarrod, this is non-negotiable. You're allowed to mail *me* and discuss list content, and I promise faithfully to project true opinion about the list by the majority of members as it's communicated to me. I don't want to and won't run a list that the majority of members don't like. Besides, they'll just leave. Nothing in the FAQ limits discussion of any content on the list, apart from discussion of list content itself, which you indulge in here; it's outlawed for the reasons outlined in my list mail, and this consensus was reached after bitter experiences on this and other lists. The other thing that's outlawed is outright vicious flaming, which no-one's quite done yet, happily. People criticise the band, the label, and should feel very free to do so too if they think their cause is just. I'd just like to avoid false oppositions, and if we're criticising an individual band member or whatever, I'd like to make very sure they get the same courtesy as anyone else. It's a question of tone, I guess. Finally just a couple of minor things. Please remember to ask people if you're posting exerpts from private mails they sent you: it's courtesy, and actually lawful to do this. I'm sure none of the people you quoted mind, and maybe you asked them all, if so disregard this. Secondly please do be careful about sending mails twice to Sinister. We have a lot of list traffic and it helps to keep the volume down. Thanks, Honey +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sanangel22 at xxx.com Thu May 18 22:45:31 2000 From: sanangel22 at xxx.com (Jarrod San Angel) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:45:31 PDT Subject: Sinister: Ad Nauseum Message-ID: <20000518214531.1119.qmail@hotmail.com> Quick message, no heady discussion or elaborate arguments. 1. Thank You to ALL of You, meanies included, who sent me private messages to state how they felt, and what Belle & Sebastian mean to them.I haven't had such impassioned email since Lord Knows When.. 2. If you've not heard the new album, and you don't plan to download any clips or songs until the album is actually thrust upon the public, I've come to agree, it just makes good sense to NOT read ANY review, until you've had sufficient time to make up your own mind. I direct this comment to ESPECIALLY those among us who are very, and I MEAN VERY sensitive to this issue. Not to poke fun, but one lad recently wrote to me to say he felt "inferior" for not hearing any of the new album yet, and that I should keep my reviews to myself. If you don't care to know how one feels about the new release, DON'T READ THE REVIEWS. It's that simple. For those of you who've heard some of the new stuff, please, by all means, comment and comment away! 3. I thought it proper to formally introduce myself. My name, as most of you now well know, is Jarrod San Angel. I'm 23, married to a wonderful lady named Shermeen, living in Pasadena, Ca., and have listened to B&S since IYFS first came out. I love B&S with all my heart, and think only the best of them. Other musical interests include, naturally, The Smiths, Morrissey, Momus, Beck, Looper, Smog, The Ladybug Transistor, Magnetic Fields, Cafe Tacuba, Cesaria Evora, Marisa Monte, Edith Piaf, Madredeus, Aterciopelados, Radiohead, REM, Pink Martini, Gene, Suede, The Cardigans, Luna, Portishead, Morcheeba, Stereolab, and a whole hatful of indie bands, classical composers, and world music. Nice to meet y'all. Jarrod San Angel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Valiums at xxx.com Thu May 18 23:46:48 2000 From: Valiums at xxx.com (Valiums at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:46:48 EDT Subject: Sinister: Legal Man Lyrics/New Album Opinion Message-ID: <6a.2ef618b.2655ccd8@aol.com> Hello there, LEGAL MAN WORDS Someone on the list was wondering/complaining that the lyrics to 'Legal Man' were not included with the single. Well they are, you just have to explore the inside of the booklet a bit and you'll find them. The lyrics are actually the content of the letter to Ms. Symington from Robert Banchory on the right side of the insert. Hold it close to your face to read. NEW ALBUM I have the new album and I have listened to it many times now. All I'm going to say it's quite beautiful and brilliant. Think of it as a combination of the best bits of 'Tigermilk' and 'IYFS'. If anybody wants to know anything else about it before it comes out they can e-mail me privately. Goodbye for now, Jason +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sanangel22 at xxx.com Thu May 18 23:22:33 2000 From: sanangel22 at xxx.com (Jarrod San Angel) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:22:33 PDT Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk & Honey Message-ID: <20000518222233.6996.qmail@hotmail.com> (copied to the list) Dearest Honey, First and foremost, allow me to ask of you your forgivnace for creating a monster on an otherwise placid list, when all I aimed to do was give a personal review of the forthcoming album. True enough, my tone was not that of one who seemed to care what others thought, and I am saddened to think that I may have burst more than a few bubbles out there. I suppose I meant my review as more of a heads up to list members, as opposed to a flat out attack on the album - but whilst taking in the aftermath of my post, I've come to agree with many that I should have at least given some sort of disclaimer about my post - warned those who don't want a foreign opinion thrust upon them - not to read below a certain point. Alas, I did not, and sloppily threw together a post that was neither flattering (to myself or the band), nor kind. I'll venture to say that I was just so shocked at the knowledge that this album was much LESS than what I expected (and again, my expectations were not out of reach), that I just had to release some of the frustration (over the album) that was brewing & brooding up in my heart. If truth be told, the review I posted took me all of 10 minutes to compose, and I sent it off into cyberspace without so much as a backward glance to see if what I had written could in any way be misconstrued or taken offensively. In a previous post, I had admitted that I knew some of my words would inflame the all too delicate sensibilities of some on the list, and that there would be a backlash - but I ask you, Honey - is it the aim of the list to quash an opinion that angers or upsets some? It the role you play one in which you must censor or hush comments that could upset some feeble mind? Forgive me, when I say feeble mind, I mean a mind that seemingly cannot withstand an outside opinion. And from the looks of my inbox, there are many. Okay, so there are rules that must be adhered to, and yes, indeedy, I did in fact agree to them upon signing up. Agreed. I will henceforth comply. I have no problem with that. However, what I and many others have a problem with is that there are those here who DEMAND constant harmony on the list, and that simply can't be. In an ideal world, yes, we'd all get along swimmingly, and agree on every turn of phrase. But the truth is much harsher. There will be those who will speak out of turn, out of line, and just plain confound and irritate people. Fear not, I don't plan to be one such bastard. =) But I will defend the right to speak, pontificate, expound, elaborate, and jeer freely and openly on any subject the list deems worthy. It's a basic right, old as democracy itself. By the way, the comment I made about the rules being as ridiculous as those in the Cider House Rules was unfounded. I haven't even yet read the Sinister List rules.. my point, albeit badly made, was that ANY rules on a mailing list will ineveitably be broken, whether intentionally, or unwittingly. And so to have such rules only leads to further unrest when one breaks them.. but I do understand their importance, and now, having read them.. I will uphold them, as promised. Honey, it's nice to have a place to come to discuss anything and everything under the sun, and I value the many personalities I've found here on the list, yourself very much included. Let me just say that, now (golly, hopefully!) that this storm is clearing, it is in my sights to embark upon a renewed and more constructive relationship with you and the other sinisterians. Let us embark upon something sweeter, long may it last.. I hope to hear more from you, and look forward to further discussions. You've been more than kind to write to me to explain a few things.. I thank you! Jarrod San Angel >From: honey at xxx.org >To: Jarrod San Angel >CC: sinister at missprint.org >Subject: Re: Sinister: Thus Spoke Every Zarathustra >Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:34:37 +0100 (BST) > >Copied to the list: let this be an end to the discussion of list >content please. > >Jarrod, > >I'll assume you sent your mails before you saw mine to the list. >Please don't misunderstand me. I'd never in a thousand years say >people shouldn't criticise the band, or the label on this list. I >don't think you did anything wrong in giving your opinions of the LP, >such as you heard it via MP3. We differ a little in your style of >delivery, but that's a personal matter, not a list protocol matter. >And strong and varying opinions are the meat of any mailing list. > >So far so good. But please understand this list has rules, and you >signed up for them when you subscribed. They've evolved over a long >time, involved a lot of people, who have reached a powerful consensus >over how to make a mailing list this big and this active survive. They >took a lot of time and a lot of patient care by a lot of people who >worked to make this list what it is today, and that work continues, by >the kind people who take time to mail me. I therefore can't help but >wince a little when you say: > > > The rules of the list seem as ridiculous as those in The Cider House > > Rules, should any of you read the book. > >Forgive me, that stings a little. This is your opinion. But this list >has rules, others don't have so many, or none, and you make your own >choices where to live. And that's fine. > > > It's a bit of a joke, really, > > that there are rules at all, > >We differ. > > > as lists like this not only provide a forum for > > celebration for a band, but a much needed trading of new and different >ideas > > and such. > >Very very true. And not just celebration, and not just the band. > > > You can't regulate such a thing without there being lines drawn, > > and emotions upset. > >I believe exactly the opposite, and I think the current episode shows >that. And we both agree that lines being drawn are sometimes a good >things, sometimes bad I think. > > > So I'm all for dropping any rules, and having a free > > for all.. > >Jarrod, this is non-negotiable. You're allowed to mail *me* and >discuss list content, and I promise faithfully to project true >opinion about the list by the majority of members as it's >communicated to me. I don't want to and won't run a list that the >majority of members don't like. Besides, they'll just leave. > >Nothing in the FAQ limits discussion of any content on the list, apart >from discussion of list content itself, which you indulge in here; it's >outlawed for the reasons outlined in my list mail, and this consensus >was reached after bitter experiences on this and other lists. The >other thing that's outlawed is outright vicious flaming, which no-one's >quite done yet, happily. People criticise the band, the label, and >should feel very free to do so too if they think their cause is just. >I'd just like to avoid false oppositions, and if we're criticising an >individual band member or whatever, I'd like to make very sure they get >the same courtesy as anyone else. It's a question of tone, I guess. > >Finally just a couple of minor things. Please remember to ask people >if you're posting exerpts from private mails they sent you: it's >courtesy, and actually lawful to do this. I'm sure none of the >people you quoted mind, and maybe you asked them all, if so disregard >this. Secondly please do be careful about sending mails twice to >Sinister. We have a lot of list traffic and it helps to keep the >volume down. > >Thanks, >Honey > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.org Fri May 19 00:56:36 2000 From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 00:56:36 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Tigermilk & Honey In-Reply-To: <20000518222233.6996.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Jarrod San Angel said: > Dearest Honey, > but I ask you, Honey - is it the aim of the list > to quash an opinion that angers or upsets some? No. > It the role you play one in > which you must censor or hush comments that could upset some feeble mind? Whose? No. > I sent it off into cyberspace without so much as a backward glance Backward glances are required on Sinister. List rule. Hands up who's bored of me saying it? > I haven't even yet read the Sinister List rules.. Read them. Right. Jarrod doesn't seem to want to stop the discussion of list content after both my mails, which I'm sure you're all bored to death with by now. I will keep this short. Jarrod's mails will now be moderated, which I'll add is another unwelcome job for me to do. This is not, repeat not, because he criticised the band or the music, or caused "disharmony", if he did, or any content in his mail other than the fact he repeatedly ignored my request to stop raising the circular topic of list content, a request contained also in the list guidelines, for sanity's sake, which he subsequently said he hadn't read anyway. Jarrod go and read the list rules. It's a prerequisite for posting to the list. You were told that when you joined. Everyone else please take note. The thread of list content and rules is at an end. This includes all further discussion of Jarrod's views on list content. You may of course mail him or me privately. Otherwise please continue discussing music, and being people who like (or dislike) music. Play nice, Honey +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnny at xxx.net Fri May 19 07:15:28 2000 From: johnny at xxx.net (Grant Bennett) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:15:28 -0500 Subject: Sinister: The unbareable tweeness of lightning Message-ID: <002301bfc159$a2b53d20$8b79b3d1@bongwatertaffy> Hello all. This is my first post, as I've just been released from the nursery. I was all shades of miffed at not being able to partake in the discussions of s***ing out, but, such is the price of infancy. To beat a dead horse, I personally prefer the term "jumped the shark" to "s***ing out". It's based on the premise that "Happy Days" was a good show until Fonzie jumped his motorcycle over a shark tank. After that, it went downhill. In my humble opinon, as long as a band continues to put out music that makes you _feel_ something, then they haven't jumped the shark. That out of the way, I suppose I should introduce myself. Name: Grant Bennett Age: 23 Where I am: Maryville, Missouri, USA Bands I dig: B&S, They Might Be Giants, Rancid, Rollins Band, Velvet Underground, Propellerheads... a bunch of stuff, really. Back to content: Regarding Napster: I use it, quite often. If I hear of a new band, I see if I can find some of their songs that way. This is how I was first exposed to Billy Bragg. If I like the stuff, I'll purchase some albums. If I don't, well, I delete it. The sound quality is... ok, I guess. I don't really have much of a hi-fi system. I generally won't download mp3s of artists that I really dig. If they have a new album coming out, I'll buy it, knowing that I'll probably like it. (If you're looking for a laugh, visit http://www.theonion.com and read the Kid Rock article.) On politics in songs: To paraphrase John Sebastian of The Lovin' Spoonful -- artists haven't been that astute in making political statements in the past, so why should they start now? I don't listen to a lot of overtly political bands (Atari Teenage Riot being an exception), and I'm not a very political person. Except when it comes to free-speech issues. Apart from that, eh. Not really concerned that much. I tend to be more left-leaning than conservative. Don't get me wrong -- I dig songs that get you all riled up about issues, and I'm fully aware that my punk rock tastes are firmly rooted in socio-economic-political situations, but to me the music, the emotion expressed in the song, the song's ability to make you _feel_ emotions is more important than the message. "Sloop John B" is about a bad time on a ship and nothing more, but it's one of my favorite songs. "I Don't Like Mondays" is about a school shooting and the reaction to it, and it's my favorite song in the whole world. But it's the emotion that matters. With Kid Rock, for example, I get a sense of love for the music he's sampling. With Limp Bizkit, I don't get any sense of emotion whatsoever. Similar artists, yet there are subtle differences. Enough on this missive, however. Back to B&S. I got into B&S not entirely by accident. I thought that TBWTAS was an interesting title, so I bought it. And loooooooved it! It's the only B&S I have, but, it got me here, didn't it? I've not heard "Legal Man" yet, but I simply must hear "Judy is a dick slap". I love that title. Don't know why. (Question: What is an "arab strap"? I know that there's a band in GB called Arab Strap, and with the B&S album, I'm sure that it's a real thing. Is it a wacky British thing that I'm not hip to yet? Is it something that would make my grandma cringe?) Anyhow, my 15 minutes are up. And I need to go back to work. I may post a lot, I may not. Who knows? Oh, thanks to the people who were patient with a baby on IRC. -- Johnny ICQ: 8172344 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ELZober at xxx.com Fri May 19 07:46:10 2000 From: ELZober at xxx.com (ELZober at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 02:46:10 EDT Subject: Sinister: Half Decent Idea At The End Message-ID: <9c.3d39928.26563d32@aol.com> back onto the subject of B&S and a new album, is anyone else kind of excited? if you think back to how things started - how this was all some kind of fluke when Richard met Neil at college and Stuart put together this menagerie of people (taking a little artistic liscene there folks...) and the first album was made.... then they only played i think about seven or eight shows in total before IYFS came out.... they were something obscure, and frankly at times they were pretty shite - hey, some of you out there have seen them live when they were not at their best... :) and now, it's almost like they're everywhere - even in a John Cusak film..... i don't think anyone, who was listening to them way back when, thought they would get "this far" in that their music would reach such a wide audience... i think it's a wonderful thing, because here are eight people who, if not for a billion things going right and wrong and every which way - would not have been in a band to start with.... and Sinister wouldn't exist and tons of people would still be walking around in cardie's... not talking to anyone and drinking pints of ale alone... now they're all a bunch of lager swilling Sinister hooligans - which, i'm told is quite the same as hooligans of the football variety.... - the cardies are worn with pride and here we are doing what Stuart did - we've seen the poetry of the world, of our own unique lives and we're out there, on this list, at college, at the pub, meeting loads of folk who think kinda like "we" do... nearly 2000 people make up the "we"... so it sounds crap, but we listen to what everyone else has to say, we argue and we move out... then we come back... perhaps without Sinister we'd all have different cyber homes and nothing would be missed.. but i dont' think that's true for a lot of people... perhaps i'm wrong... perhaps i'm not... perhaps this is the end of an era... Chandler and Monica are engaged... 90210 is off the air forever... (do twee people watch American telly? ofcourse.... it's on Channel 4....)and now B&S have given the world an album they matured on, worked on, and gave to the world as a piece of who they are as muscians.... i think that's pretty fabulous.... so... perhaps we could start gathering parties - instead of picnics - listening parties in the different cities where Sinisterines are for when the new album comes out.... hey - we could have them at the same times in the same country - accounting for time zones and all... then go on line in a chat room and people at a party in Ireland could vitual chat with people at a party in London and so on... and in the states we could one in DC and Seattle and so on... ok... perhaps that's a little far fetched... perhaps it seems a bit odd... it's just an idea.... oh, and woudln't that give the NME something to write about, eh? obssess much?..... :) elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From liisa00 at xxx.fi Fri May 19 12:50:01 2000 From: liisa00 at xxx.fi (Liisa Kallio) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:50:01 EET DST Subject: Sinister: Another rainy day Message-ID: <1e40a72d637047704497dc710e432dbb@iobox.fi> It`s been a bloody stupid day...well at least yesterday was.I`ve got my an exam on Monday 22/5 I�ve been trying to study for it, but I�m feeling too bored and sad. Then I woke up last night and realised that I got to write this 8 page essay and I haven`t got time, it should be ready by the end of the month, I got all panicked and couldn`t sleep. I went to a park and there was this woman out with 3 Belle dogs(you know the dog Sebastian had in the film)they came to me and I patted them :)they were so sweet big,white and fluffy.My trousers were covered with white dog hair.The woman said bye bye when they left so it was sweet.I also saw a rabbit last night.I went out to our garden at midnight for a cig and it was weird cos I was just thinking what if some madman would suddenly stand behind me and I looked back and there was a rabbit looking at me,we both got a bit scared and the rabbit ran away. B+S uniforms.I always thought the velvets looked very cool so something black (black and red leather)and shades.Shades are essential, at least for a shy girl like moi. Urusei Yatsura someone mentioned them.I havent heard from for years.They havent split up or anything?If someone would be kind to mail me about them,please. Sonic Youth.Does anyone know on which album is this song it should go like this: "jesus had a twin who knew nothing about sin" is it from Sister? Mail me if you know. I`ve been listening to this old Denmark`s eurovision song contest entry "Teaching Ding-Dang-Dong" :) Edwyn Collins sings it in this Eurotrash compilation thingy.I think it`s so lovely "when the world looks sunny everyone`s funny when you sing a song that goes ding-dang-dong" Bye,bye babies bye,bye xxx Liisa Ps.Sinister picnic in Helsinki?When and where in HKI?I accidently deleted the message. ---- Soitto��net ja ikonit matkapuhelimeen! http://www.iobox.fi/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From smiley at xxx.uk Fri May 19 11:11:01 2000 From: smiley at xxx.uk (Mr Smiley) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:11:01 +0100 (GMT/BST) Subject: Sinister: Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:16:36 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bfc17a$45b628c0$e22b883e@n8j4k7> Hi, Some people have been slagging off Isobel again, and normally I'd just let it slide... but right now I won't (for reasons i won't go into). *Leave the lass alone!!!* Isobel's singing is *absolutely gorgeous*. I happen to really like the way that it's so quiet that the mic has to be turned up to the point where, when listening with headphones, you can hear her open her mouth. I think it's because it sounds like she's singing in my ear, although if I'm wearing headphones I suppose she kinda is. I suppose I just like to be able to hear my pop stars breathe. Oh, and the Scottish accent is *so* sexy, don't try to deny it. Frankly, you're all a bit jealous aren't you :) The Gentle Waves are fantastic too, so there. And lyrically I think it's great. I mean, someone (hi jim) once said to me that "when a person's sad and lonely sometimes they will cry, when the sun comes out to meet them then their tears run dry" wasn't exactly profound. Well... it is actually. It's good because it's simple, if you see what I'm getting at. I mean, can any of you think of a better way of saying it? Platonic hugs, Mike ICQ: 73775341 Email - smiley at rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk The Black Den - http://www.rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From eculb at xxx.uk> Fri May 19 11:41:10 2000 From: eculb at xxx.uk> (eculb at xxx.uk>) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:41:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Advice for exam takers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 19 May 2000, eculb at csv.warwick.ac.uk wrote: > aw, that was nice of Stuart. i'd just like to wish everyone who has to > take exams soon all the best. I have my last lot of exams ever coming up > in less than two weeks, and i think ive just startd to go into panic > mode. yesterday i had my first exam dream, where i turned up to a place > where everyone was taking an exam, and then someone told me that i had to > take it too, but i forgot so i was panicking that i wouldnt be able to get > a 2:1 anymore...and then i woke up in a cold sweat, realised it was only a > dream, then panicked because i probably wont get a 2:1... > > Legal Man video- i thought i saw Neil Robertson dancing about in the crowd > amongst others...and on Jo wickedy wickedy Whiley, Tim Westwood made me > laugh (man..)...BO..i love a bit of two step garage.. > > the latest isobel tirade- someone just posted defending bel, and I, sir, > wholeheartedly agree with you. Did anyone hear her version of Astrud > Gilberto's Argomenti with Mondo Morricone? She sounded just like the old > girl herself, and that cant be a bad thing.... > > 'kay, gotta fly, > James > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Fri May 19 11:50:37 2000 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:50:37 +0100 (GMT/BST) Subject: Sinister: Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:06:08 +0100 Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E22DB3BE0@SERVER1> Chris was SPOT ON about Struan looking like the bloke out of Ally McBeal. Yes! Why had this never occurred to me before? He's also the freaky nervous bloke in BBC2's top new sitcom "Coupling". It's a bittersweet experience for me, because the best new sitcom (along with "Spaced") of the last 10 years is made by my old company - who fired me. Me! How could they! Stuart also appears as Geeky footie schoolboy no. 2 in Gregory's Girl (well, it looks like him, anyway), and is also Bjorn Ulvaeus out of Abba. Which explains the top pop songwriting. 'Strue! Picnickers in Greenwich who aren't sure of where they're going - Martin and I will have our mobiles with us at all times (we fancy ourselves as illegal-rave-organising wideboys), so if you get lost/confused/nervy, just give one of us a call and we'll ORDER you up the hill and then make you drop and give us 20. Ahem. Big gay Mark - 07771 656961 Big gay Martin - 07968 369985 Jarrod. I was going to write to you off list, but I don't feel comfortable saying the things I'd like to suggest to you about your attitude. I strongly suggest you put some of the less complimentary letters you received up on sinister for a bit of balance. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From C.B.Stride at xxx.uk Fri May 19 12:01:52 2000 From: C.B.Stride at xxx.uk (C.B.Stride) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:01:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: B&S night, Sheffield UK, Friday 26th May Message-ID: Hi all, Here's the final details of next Fridays (26th May) Offbeat Belle and Sebastian Night... ***************************************************** Offbeat Sheffield's Real Indie Night presents its first annual (hopefully!) Belle and Sebastian Night playing the usual Offbeat mix of classic indie, punk-pop, C86 and new indiepop underground plus loads of Belle and Sebastian tracks... Friday 26th May, 2000 from 9pm to 1am @ The Raynor Lounge, Sheffield University Students Union Admission £2.50 Free Lollipops, stickers and they'll be a raffle too! ** Arrive early to avoid disappointment - the venue has a small ** capacity and we are expecting lots of people. So to be sure of ** getting in, turn up at 9pm! For more a poster / flyer for the night, check out http://www.shef.ac.uk/~offbeat/scan/opos39.jpg http://www.shef.ac.uk/~offbeat/scan/opos40.jpg For more info' on Offbeat such as other dates, playlists, reviews, etc, check out http://www.shef.ac.uk/~offbeat/ * VERY IMPORTANT * If you a non-student, also check http://www.shef.ac.uk/~offbeat/frames/wherefra.htm for directions / admission details, or email me. C.B.Stride at Sheffield.ac.uk *** daytime: 0114 2223262 *** *** FAX: 0114 2727206 *** *** evening: 0114 2306539 *** "Watford FC Supporters - South Yorkshire branch" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elizabeth.daplyn at xxx.uk Fri May 19 12:26:45 2000 From: elizabeth.daplyn at xxx.uk (Elizabeth Daplyn) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:26:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Rage against the bollocking machine Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From martin at xxx.uk Fri May 19 13:27:07 2000 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin Robinson) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:27:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Little House on the Prairie Message-ID: Hello friends and Alisdair Cook, My oh my it's a wonderful day. Apparently we have some insipid visitor's coming down from Glasgow this weekend, so I should be tidying the house and hoovering like the good housewife that I am. But, I can't be arsed and they'll be too pissed to notice. So I might go shopping for tomatoes instead or have a practice run through for the picnic by sitting on top of Greenwich Hill reading Chekhov short stories. Which incidently are bleedin' GRATE. Talking of which those still confused by directions to said picnic and Big Gay Mark. Well Big Gay Mark confuses me but in a different way. Anyway, a few of us shall be meeting the 1:30 train at Maze Hill, which leaves London Charing Cross at 1:12pm precisely. It's the Dartford via Greenwich service. So then we can all walk up the hill together and talk about urbanisation, my paranoia of modern surveillance systems, why my diet is controlled by the person who does Iceland's 2 for the price of 1 offers and we'll still have time for a couple of cigarette breaks on the way. Sorry for those non-Londoners but I also said I would properly mention 2000 Troubled Teenagers on the list for one of the DJ's at Saturday evenings extravaganza. It's a bit late and you all know already but here goes: Ummm... Saturday 20th May 8pm until 3am @ The Paradise Bar, 460 New Cross Road, SE14 (corner of florence road). New Cross tube /rail. 20 mins from Charing Cross. £6 (!!?) entrance or £5 with a UB40, NUS card or Belle & Sebastian T-shirt or badge. Pre-release plays of the new album, ep, live B & S cover shennanigans etc. Bla bla... Anyway, that's my Mercury bit done so I'll go out of orbit and say I saw Tompaulin the other day who are a bit great and have a great single Slender out in the next couple of weeks in the UK, well the song sounds great live anyhow. The performance was only marred slightly by some drunken twat, or even drunken Matt, talking continually during the performance. Bless his little cottons. I would heartily recommend the gorgeous new Clientele single too as I seem to have worn mine out in two weeks, which is kind of warming me to CD's as I'll have to buy it again, but now I'm just listing bands and lists are to be seen and not heard. Right kids? Has anyone else thought of taking up the language Volapuk? As it would be silly if I had no one to talk to. Te ra, Martin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skag_heaven at xxx.com Fri May 19 15:34:12 2000 From: skag_heaven at xxx.com (Tim Gardner) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:34:12 BST Subject: No subject Message-ID: <20000519143412.31226.qmail@hotmail.com> So, Sinister mentioned in NME: Is there any chance of us promoting ourselves as some sort of tightknit mafia-style organisation that's above the law? Go on, please. Y'know you all want to. Mwah ha ha... I really need to get out more. Monday will be a good day for new records - new 7"s from Broadcast and Helen Love (and someone else, can't remember who). And "The Foolishness We Create Through Love Is The Closest We Get To Greatness" by the Airport Girls is out soonish, so I'm told. On 'the second best record label in Streatham (tm)', I believe. Tim ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From skag_heaven at xxx.com Fri May 19 15:49:27 2000 From: skag_heaven at xxx.com (Tim Gardner) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:49:27 BST Subject: Sinister: Re: Message-ID: <20000519144927.15181.qmail@hotmail.com> What I mean to say but forgot to was: If you don't like the content of a mailing list or how it is run then go start your own. Simple as that. Tim ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From divadeathcat at xxx.com Fri May 19 16:03:04 2000 From: divadeathcat at xxx.com (Li ^..^) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:03:04 GMT Subject: Sinister: attracting attention Message-ID: <20000519150304.27819.qmail@hotmail.com> hello :) i saw in a post that someone mentioned how Belle and Sebastian were in High Fidelity. :) it was QUITE a fun experience for me..hehehe durring the beginning of my movie, they play the song Seymor Stine (don't kick me about the spelling, i know i know.), i JUMPED up in the theater and i emediatly loved Dick's character just because he litsens to B&S. i scared the crap out of my boyfriend. hehe.. also, it's so groovy to see B&S fans DO EXISTS in NJ. :) i've heard from a few people who live here, but not too many. if you happen to live in this horrible, sad state..hehe..mail me :) anyways, i've gota go. i'm in school..ZZZzzzzzz... zip zop zoom goes gloom, li ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ByTheSea6 at xxx.com Fri May 19 17:20:19 2000 From: ByTheSea6 at xxx.com (ByTheSea6 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:20:19 EDT Subject: Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V4 #150 Message-ID: <3a.5557397.2656c3c3@aol.com> In a message dated 00-05-19 07:37:12 EDT, you write: << To paraphrase John Sebastian of The Lovin' Spoonful -- artists haven't been that astute in making political statements in the past, so why should they start now? I don't listen to a lot of overtly political bands (Atari Teenage Riot being an exception), and I'm not a very political person >> John Sebastian may never have been very good at making political statements, rather he was good at making a boatload of money which is probably invested in various pharmaceuitcal companies or Boing at this point....I guess John was down on the beach working out harmonies and tans while others were opening eyes and ears to Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll or Masters of War. There's politics in most things beautiful; if The Chalet Lines isn't a sorrowful commentary on some of society's deeper plaguing issues, I don't know what is. n. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cellophanesky at xxx.com Fri May 19 17:30:28 2000 From: cellophanesky at xxx.com (Brian Pennington) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:30:28 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Nothing to Do with Reviewing the New Album Message-ID: Hello Sinisterines, For those of who don't remember, I was on the list up until about nine months ago. I unsubbed because I ran out of time to read posts, and now I have time, and being in #sinister compels one to subscribe, I think. So I did. Apparently I missed all the untroubled times in Sinister, and got back just in time for chaos. I hope this is the worst of it. Yesterday I drove to Columbus and bought Legal Man. I'd checked here in Athens the past couple of days, but the stores down here don't know anything. One of them told me it was delayed, to which I of course explained to him that people had already bought it, so that couldn't be the case. Oh well, he lost my business, that should be enough. Usually he's quite nice, he convinced me to buy a Nick Drake album a long time ago. So after I bought Legal Man I found out the show I was to be attending didn't start for hours, and I was supposed to meet friends there. I occupied myself for a couple of hours by shopping and walking around, then I went back to my car a bit before the show. There I discovered my car keys had escaped my keychain during my walk, into freedom. Though my keys had been liberated from servitude, I had no way of getting back into my car. So I met my friends at the show, and then after the first opener (4 bands, we wanted to see the headliner, the Aislers Set) I called the locksmith and we went over to my car to wait. Then it started raining. We took shelter under a nearby tree, which didn't do much good, so we got soaked. The rain let up a while, then started up again, so we picked a bigger tree further away. We missed the locksmith, and though we eventually did get the locksmith to come to the car, there was much more getting rained on and running hither and thither, which I won't go into for great length due to un-interestingness. But in the end, I left Columbus just after 2, without having seen the band I came for, with only Legal Man and a few other CDs to show for my harrowing experience. Well, it wasn't that harrowing, it was kind of fun. I just like to be dramatic. So I'm wondering if I should go into any details of what I've been doing, but I don't want to bore you all. Suffice it to say I've been in my first 'band' which was a lot more trouble than I thought, and ended up being a few songs, not even really recorded. And my friend and I have written some songs too, and those got properly recorded. It's nice to be on the other end of music for a while, even if I don't put out records and just record MP3s and such. I've also been doing a radio show rather frequently. I play Belle & Sebastian and some asundry other things, many of which a lot of you would like. You can listen on the internet, it's Tuesdays from 5-7 PM EST, for a couple more weeks anyway. If you're curious, have a look at http://www.frognet.net/~mick/radio.html I've almost graduated from Uni, so I guess my DJing days are numbered, but who knows. Well, I'll probably post again in the foreseeable future, so be prepared. Oh and personally, I've been hearing people don't like the album for a while now, and that there's a big backlash. Well, maybe they will, then we'll just be liking a semi-obscure band again, I guess. Big deal. I think they're wonderful and everyone should like them, but if they don't it's their loss. -- Brian Pennington, aka Mick McMick | cellophanesky at mac.com | ICQ# 39021436 Sandcastle Records: "Better a tear of truth than smiling lies." - Duncan Browne +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From i_love_moon at xxx.com Sat May 20 00:20:36 2000 From: i_love_moon at xxx.com (Johan Nilsson) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:20:36 CEST Subject: Sinister: moikai Message-ID: <20000519222039.5703.qmail@hotmail.com> ok Moikai is japanese for something like 'play it again'. it's actually a record label run by Jim O'Rourke who recently put out a lovely Cd with Aki Tsuyuko. well if you are into minimalistic music you should check out Moikai and their releases... but i am not refering to the label... no i am refering to the new Belle and Sebastian Lp. so a warning here, if you don't wanna know anything about the new album or even just little notes, go away, read a book or go out in the sunshine... i am gonna make some references here... have you heard of Postcard? a small little label that excisted in the beginning of the 80s in Glasgow. well they had a slogan which was like The Sound of Young Scotland, a rip off the slogan of Motowns, The Sound of Young America. Some bands that were around during the early Postcard era was Josef K and the more known Orange Juice. Edwyn Collins, the 1/2 brain and lead singer of Orange Juice wanted Orange Juice to sound like a Motown 60s band. well this he claims. first time i heard this i thought that he was a little out of his mind because Orange Juice sound nothing like a Motown band. then i heard our dear Belle and Sebastian cover Orange Juice "In A Nutshell" with Isobel on lead vocals and all the sudden it actually made a little sense. ever since i have had two obsessions in my mind, a) i really wanna start an Orange Juice cover band that makes Orange Juice sound like if they were on Motown and b) that Belle and Sebastian somehow have the same idea that Edwyn Collins has... to make Belle and Sebastian sound like a Motown 60s band. so somehow i had the feeling that Fold Your Hands Child would sound something different then usually. i start listen to the first track, I Fought A War. proven wrong right away. see have you noticed how all three previous albums start with Stuart singing with just an acustic guitar? He did it on The State I Am In, The Stars of Track and Field and It Could Have Been a Brilliant Career and oh yes, he does it on I Fought A War. so no, Belle and Sebastian hadn't changed... thank god. i made my friend Trevor a copy of Fold Your Hands cuz he begged me to. one thing that stroke me though, was when we were in his car listening to the tape for the first time and during I Fought A War he starts singing. i was shocked. how could he, he didn't know the lyrics, did he? no he didn't. fact is and i had almost figured out which at this point, but I Fought A War has striking similitaries with another british bands song. unfortuantly, ever since Trevor got me to know which song it was i cannot get it out of my head and now it is always there in my head. damn you Trevor. since i respect you kids so much i will not say what song it is. but fact is, I Fought A War is a beautiful song, amazing, lovely, or as a guy i met in a triftstore the other day looking at a super 8 camera said, fucking dailed. i know this is not very hip of me to ask, but have you ever seen the movie Rushmore? i know, it's defiantly not hip of me to say but i love that movie. Bill Murray is my idol, ever since Groundhog Day which is one of my absolute favorite movies. well my friend Aaron also loves this movie and he got the soundtrack. however, unfortunatly there is none of the funny comments in the movie like "i wrote a hit play, what did you ever do?" on the Cd, just the instrumental guitar playing melodies that appear every now and then during the entire movie. randomly enough, the second song The Model starts with a melody that directly reminds me of the ones from Rushmore. let me say this about the song though, Stuart Murdoch is something else. this song is really beautiful. one of the best on the album. i saw my first theatre play when i was a young boy. well i don't really remember how old i was really. and i don't remember what the play was called or really the story line but i still remember how much i loved it. i remember how my older sister took me to see the play cuz her friend was in it. i lived in a small town and this play was really big and i guess one of the biggest plays that has ever appeared in my town. all i can remember of the story line is that it was slavery and slaves coming to america. a really sad play. they even put out a tape with this play on it and my sister had a copy. i used to borrow it from her and lay in my bed and listen to it. there was a lot of singing and the third track Beyond the Sunrise contains a beautiful beautiful choir melody that reminds me deeply of that play. it's so lovely. three tracks in a hurry: fourth track Waiting for the Moon to Rise our dear Isobel appears at her best ever. her singing is just the best. wonderful, hurray for you Isobel. keep 'em coming. so it took about a year to record Fold Your Hands? well it is quite a production, Don't Leave the Light on Baby contains a really beautiful string session melody, something that could have taken from Tindersticks. The Wrong Girl, or as it was called earlier, The Wrong Love, has been heard a few times already, add a cowbell. doubtlessly the best song i have heard Stevie sing ever and the only song i already know all the lyrics to. two short tracks: The Chalet Lines, well i am not sure, well i am pretty sure, but the choirs line that Stuart sings is 'he raped me in the chalet lines'. it's a punch in the stomach. but then he raisens it up and says how she stuck a knife in the guys eye. appearently a friend of Stuart thinks he should tell the police what happened, but Stuart swears and says it's no point. yeah, Stuarts swears a few times on this album. Short but lovely. Nice Day for a Sulk is also short. A little bit like missing something, but damn beautiful anyways. two references about Isobels vocals: one might say that Isobels vocals is too fragile for Woman's Realm but it is still a marvelous song. lovely melody and everything else Belle and Sebastian stands for. like in Waiting for the Moon to Rise, Isobel appears at her best in Family Tree. Family Tree is beautiful, period. best song on the album? well if you asked me yesterday i would have said The Model, the day before Family Tree, but today i think it's There's Too Much Love. lovely ending song. i don't know what else to say, I don't really think I need to say anything, bravo bravo. in the car with a slurpee in in my hand this got me up really well last night driving to see Stereolab and Chicago Underground Dup in LA, which was by the way lovely. Simply, there is just too much love to go around. so i yeah i was wrong, Belle and Sebastian didn't turn out to try sounding like a Motowns 60s band. maybe in twenty years some young man not too different from me, will go, hey, i know what i wanna do, i wanna start a Belle and Sebastian cover band and try to make their songs sound like a Motowns 60s band. well we know that the boy would be insane. basically. he's name might just be johan. it has come to my attention that Isobel doesn't sing on Waiting for the Moon to Rise... it's Sarah. so so so... Sarah is good... thanks Johan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jimgrund at xxx.fr Sat May 20 11:43:47 2000 From: jimgrund at xxx.fr (Jan Imgrund) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:43:47 +0100 (GMT/BST) Subject: Sinister: Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 12:42:54 +0200 Message-ID: <007d01bfc248$2f9cc3e0$3c202cd5@u4a2b3> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ tindersticks page: http://members.tripod.com/~iodin/tinder.html 'they're only songs' ----------------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jimgrund at xxx.fr Sat May 20 11:44:41 2000 From: jimgrund at xxx.fr (Jan Imgrund) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 12:44:41 +0200 Subject: Sinister: facts facts facts Message-ID: <00af01bfc248$6cde3900$3c202cd5@u4a2b3> Hello I've been on a sinister-nomail-diet for a few weeks now, and just like brian, i just returned - for chaos. Can't you take care of yourselves for a while?? So in my first post after decades of silence, I've taken it upon me to translate an "interview" with Stevie Jackson from a german news-magazine called FOCUS (slogan: "facts facts facts - and think about the readers.") Just for safety reasons I might have to add that it's not a review and does not contain any kind of valid information whatsoever. It's for you to have a good laugh really. BETWEEN PUN AND PAIN Scotch pop-octet Belle and Sebastian have a problem: they are taken seriously. The glasgowers have called themselves after a french dog-cartoon, play with clerical traditions and do almost anything to remain a commercial failure - in vain. FOCUS: some of your songs sound like the luth-play of a manic depressive medieval singer [i know there is a word for this, but it was not in my dictionary]. Have you made a profession out of sadness? Stevie Jackson (guitarist of B&S): We take our work seriously, albeit not quite as seriously as our fans. One day we decided to become the most morose band of this planet. Focus: your first three CDs came out on a renowned label, your new one is being published by an independent label. Why? Jackson: We've only been one out of a lot of bands at Virgin Records. But we are absolutely unique. If you want to represent something special, you have to be strict in your decisions. Focus: Do you fight against success? Jackson: We are craving to become superstars. But if the people like our music, well, than just as well buy our CD. [good that they finally escaped the grip of big business now, after Virgin had hugely promoted their acclaimed debut album "Lionblood"...] Jan PS: Spiegel-Leser wissen mehr! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ tindersticks page: http://members.tripod.com/~iodin/tinder.html 'they're only songs' ----------------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From julesmarkham at xxx.net Sat May 20 11:46:00 2000 From: julesmarkham at xxx.net (julesmarkham) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:46:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: a message to craig chin (no B&S, sorry!) Message-ID: <000a01bfc248$ae411d40$874e8cd4@tonygeorge> hi, this is a message for Craig I've lost your e-mail address, so I've had to inflict the whole list. sorry guys! Craig, I sent you a will Oldham compilation tape, but it's been returned to me I think i got the address wrong can you send me your address and I'll try again (assuming you still want the tape) sorry! jules +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From browne at xxx.ie Sat May 20 17:25:19 2000 From: browne at xxx.ie (Caroline Mary Browne) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:25:19 +0100 (IST) Subject: Sinister: spending warm summer days indoors Message-ID: ah yes Ive been doing a lot of that recently since finishing my finals (HOORAY) well it should be shouldnt it? but no, the simple things really arent as great as you imagine them to be when your studying lots and lots. I actually handled the old having final exams thing very badly and decided upon insomnia, irritability, heartburn and irrationality as a means of getting through them. In the second exam I got that disapearance of all thoughts thing that I thought only happened to other people who only really made it up anyway. I had to leave the exam hall to cry lots only to be followed by an invigilator who tried to comfort me in very pigeon English (he was Italian see) by saying such things as `some of the most successful people in the world don't have degrees' and `you can always repeat'. This made me cry some more but also made me want to go back into the exam hall to get away from the least comforting man in the world which was very embarrasing because every one looks up to see the red eyed girl with a look of pity. I did manage to do the rest of the exam though so it was alright (in case you were wondering) I kind of wish I was out at picnics like most of you probably are. I left the house for the first time yesterday and kind of had a picnic. first I went to the cinema to see a film called the virgin suicides. We chose to go and see that because we thought it sounded funny but disturbing was actually how it turned out to be. It was good though, very good actually but I never really decide what it is that I like or dont like about a film and lots of other thoughts about it until several days after when Im walking down a road or on a bus or looking at a group of strangers or something. Anyway we then went on our picnic before which we went to pet dogs at an RSPCA stand thing. We gave money to a man who, at first appeared to have very nicely given up his Friday to collect for charity but gradually revealed himself for the horrible sleezy man he was making such comments as `while your down there' to my friend when she dropped some change and 'here you should have a rabbit badge, I bet you go like one ha ha ha ha'. `your not interested in preventing cruelty to animals at all' we said as we ran as fast as we could away from the horrible man. Later on we saw him shouting obsenities at frightened school girls. Our picnic was a bit odd really we decided to place ourselves strategically next to three crusty men with two litre flagans of cider who decided upon us as perfect suitors and insisted we come over for a friendly slug of their cider. Each one picked who best of my friends he was suited to and then one of them said to another ` I dont like your one much' which made us a laugh uncontrolably which made them thinking that we were flattered by their attention which then sent a whole ball rolling type scenario until it was time to go home. I saw the legal man video on no disco the other night there and I have to say I didnt really like it that much. It was just too all over the place or something. I also didnt like the way Sarah only gets a brief look in at the start. The only bit I really liked was when one of the two men attempts to wave at one of the transvestites and the other man stopped him at least I think thats what was happening but possibly I completely misinterpreted it. As for the song well I like it for what it is but wouldnt really call for much more of that sort of thing in a big hurry if that makes any sense (mental image of all 7 members of belle and sebastian taking a careful mental note of Caroline's insightful comments). Im going to New York to get as far away from Dublin as I possibly can in 2 weeks. Not that I dont like Dublin but I just need to leave it for a while but this scares me lots. My friend Bryan says that theres an accomodation crisis there at the moment and that Ill have to live in a rubbish bin like oscar out of sesame street. I think things that are likely to go against me in New York are a) being very shy and unassertive, b) having no sense of direction and being very indecisive c) having skin that burns in 5 minutes of exposure to the sun and well of course having no job or accomodation. anyway I would very much appreciate any help/ advice etc. from any kind New Yorkers. Isuppose I better go now as I have red hair dye in my hair which I must wash out which also seems to have permanently stained the palms of my hand red and underneath my nails too.Oh I got Hefner's breaking gods heart and its quite beautiful. Bye Bye Sinister Caroline xxxxyyyyyyzzzp. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nellie_power at xxx.com Sat May 20 20:38:10 2000 From: nellie_power at xxx.com (Isabelle Axelsson) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:38:10 CEST Subject: Sinister: to people who listen to belle and sebastian Message-ID: <20000520183811.8202.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear sinister brothers and sisters� After reading many interesting messages from you I thought it was time for me to write my first post. When I heard that there was something special with sinister mailing list I first didn't believe it. But I was wrong, there really is something special with it, just like with Belle and Sebastian. Like magic. Maybe it's because Belle and Sebastian have a special place in our hearts. Maybe. My lucky day was two years ago when I first heard them, now I can't imagine a day without listening to them. I think it's wonderful with the picnic (in London), but I'm afraid I won't be there, I'm now living in Sweden (Stockholm) and I'm moving first about a year to London! It's a shame cause I would have loved to come. ..."Inside the letter was another letter, in another envelope, and that letter was from the ghetto"... -Stuart David 1999 That's all xxx /Isabelle ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From aconover at xxx.net Sat May 20 08:47:50 2000 From: aconover at xxx.net (adam apparatus) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 03:47:50 -0400 Subject: Sinister: my coffee headache is going away Message-ID: <200005201921.PAA16788@s1.optonline.net> i think that sounds like a song. well, maybe not. whew, the last three-and-a-half weeks have been busy for me! i went to ireland, where i met up with zero wonderful sinister people (and found out afterwards that there are ten million of you in dublin... sigh...). i listened to northern picture library and the cat's miaow the whole time, and read nalda said, which was GRATE, except the end made me sad. i sent it to my friend lizzie in bryn mawr who didn't get to see stuart, so she didn't get a copy. i think it was a nice gesture. i don't even want it back. then i was in the sound of music for two weeks. ugh. i'll ignore that. i played acoustic guitar (the song, not the instrument. well, the instrument too, actually) for my co-actors during the intermission, though, and got three separate requests for copies of the song... i love stephin so much! god, i wish i were gay. then my cousin died, and i had to go to arizona. that was sad. yuck. so awkward being around his family... glad to be home. i'm going to order the new looper and b+s right now... yea yea. there's tons of other things on my cds-to-order list, but we know who comes first... ah, that's probably it. i just thought you would want to know where i've been... or maybe you don't. anyway, i had to delete about 500 sinister messages (literally!) because i haven't had time to read them all... i'm sorry dears... love love love - adam aconover at optonline.net Tempus Fugit is at: http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~conover/tempus/main.html +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nessa_fmjod at xxx.com Sat May 20 21:06:50 2000 From: nessa_fmjod at xxx.com (nessa) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 13:06:50 -0700 Subject: Sinister: You spin me round (like a washing machine) baby Message-ID: My mother is doing something vicious to a fish pie downstairs. thats what you get from watching the naked chef too much. caroline: the dublin picnics soon. Its either the 4th or the 5th of May. It might be in Iveagh Gardens. It'll probably end up as a pubnic. Its just before my Leaving Cert. Which is good. I too saw the Virgin Suicides today. It was good in a skewed kinda way. It was a really good looking, as in pictures, kind of film. I'll be so disappointed when everyone tells me that the girls in it have bleach blonde hair as opposed to just looking scandanvian. *just being a wee bit ironic there...* the only thing was I kept being reminded of Dutch Elm Disease, throughout it, when I was supposed to be taking my mind off the fucking Leaving. I went to look for Legal Man before it, since records always seem to come out on the Fridays here. But obviously jeepster don't like that kind of carry on or something, because it wasn't. c'est ca nessa XXXX --- ********************** get your free gURLmAIL at http://www.gURLmAIL.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Sat May 20 22:04:08 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 09:04:08 +1200 Subject: Sinister: random thoughts .... Message-ID: <002e01bfc2a6$e221f860$196137d2@computer> ***THE BELLE & SEBASTIAN MOVIE*** Not last night, but the night before that, I dreamt about "The Belle & Sebastian" movie. It was a strange and startlingly realistic dream. I went to see a movie in an old theatre, and got to sit next to Isobel for the first half of the film. (She went out to buy popcorn and sat next to someone else when she came back in .... sigh) Anyway, it featured someone who looked a lot like Phil Daniels circa "Quadrophenia", who seemed to spend most of the film walking up and down hills, dressed in a big anorak (yes ... ANORAK!) with a fur trimmed hood. Isobel was in the film too, playing a character which (seemed) to be pretty much what I expected Isobel to be like. Stuart was also in the film, dressed in a white short sleeved shirt and a skinny black tie, and played some slightly dodgy crime boss or something. (Don't think "new wave" - think "book-keeper circa 1955") Actually .... the film was a little disappointing as it meandered a bit ... leaving me with the oh-so-clichd "thank God it was only a dream" reaction when I awoke. ***CARDIE*** Today I will buy myself an acrylic zip-up cardie. (No doubt people won't be able to work out why the hell I'm wearing it .... which will reinforce in the midset of the people I work with that I am some sort of sullen axe-murderer) ***NME/PRIMAL SCREAM/STUART MURDOCH*** Don't listen to the NME. A word from the wise. I remember reading the NME when I was 17 and thinking it was the be all and end all of what was cool. It was a good way to find out about new bands ... but after a few years I got so sick of their "build 'em up .... tear 'em down" philosophy I stopped reading it all together. Although of course i will buy the one with Stuart on the cover. I can think of lots of great bands who got so much hype at one point in their career (Gene, Geneva, Ultrasound ...) who can't get arrested. People may disagree with me, but I think Geneva's "Weather Underground" is one of the finest albums this year, nd apaort from a few grudgingly good reviews, there has been NOTHING about it in the UK rock press. Whereas two years ago they were media darlings. I can almost GUARANTEE that the new Belle & Sebastian album .... no matter how brilliant ... will get a fair few bad reviews, just because it is no doubt time for the scheduled backlash. And look at the about turn on Travis?? Remember how "The Man Who" got really bad reviews from most magazine, but ended up album of the year in lots of the same magazines polls. Anyway .... this was going to be about Primal Scream. Much as I do like 'XTRMNTR' (not a patch on "Sonic Flower Groove" though) I was a little annoyed that on an 11 track album there were only 6 new songs. Of couse, 'Swastica Eyes' is on the album twice, and both vrsions were also released on the single. 'MVB Akestra' had been released previously, as had 'Insect Royalty'. (And you don't see B&S putting "Slow Graffiti" on the new album, do you?) So, much as Bobby likes to talk the talk, I would debat whether "the kids" got a good deal of the new album. Whereas our beloved B&S are unlikely to offer ANY album tracks as single, and similarly would be unlikely to put pointless remixes on the b-sides of singles. ***THE SMITHS*** It's nice to see that a few people on the list are getting into The Smiths. I got REALLY into The Smiths when I was 17, in 1992, and quite frankly, they completely changed my life. I bought "If You're Feeling Sinister" I '97 based solely on the sleeve, which reminded me of a Smiths 7". And B&S were the first band since The Smiths to have such an all-consuming effect on me. Anyway ... another piece of advice ... don't get sucked into the myth that The Smiths were the *only* decent guitar band of the '80s. B&S fans should find something to enjoy in the music of The Pale Fountains, The Go-Betweens, Orange Juice, early Aztec Camera, Felt (of course) Josef K etc. (And if anyone is actually interested in hearing any of these bands I'm happy to rustle up a mix tape for you ... one priviso that all 1200 don't ask for one ... not that anyone is likely to care.) ***THE MODERN LOVERS*** I was out to dinner with my lovely, but non-pop loving fiance Vanessa last night, and I was telling her about The Modern Lovers. I was siting "Pablo Picasso" as a brilliant example of rhyming "asshole" with "Pablo Picasso". Of couse, as luck would have it, I said "asshole" a little too loudly just at the point where everyone else in the restaurant decided to be quiet for a second. And then this guy started giving me funny looks, and I thought I had offended him, and that he was going to get up and punch me for profaining in a public place. He came over to me and said "are you talking about Jonathan Richman?" and we talked about pop for the next half an hour. Great when that happens. ***JARROD SAN ANGEL*** Jarrod - I hope that the last few days fracas hasn't put you off the list, and I hope you don't think we're all bastards. Welcome ..... anyway, and hope things go smoothly from hereon in. (Oh, and you have impeccable taste in music by the way .....) ***THE FILMS OF HAL HARTLEY*** There is a fantastic film festival on in Auckland at the moment ... and I'm lovin' it. Last night I saw Hal Hartley's "The Book Of Life" for the second time, which was brilliant - It's a pre-millenium affair about Chrsit and Satan having it out in Soho bar. As a Christian myself (and please don't mock me for it .....) I found it a far more sympathetic portrayal of Jesus than anything you're likely to hear in Church on any given Sunday morning.Go and see it - all of you! ***LUKE HAINES*** Anyone taken by recent Black Box Recorder songs should, at great haste, check out The Auteurs - espacially "New Wave" and "Now I'm A Cowboy". The man is a genuis. ***THE END*** On hindsight this has gone on far too long, but it just means I won't have to post again for a fortnight now ...... Take care everyone, Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Catspaw1 at xxx.com Sat May 20 23:14:11 2000 From: Catspaw1 at xxx.com (Catspaw1 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:14:11 EDT Subject: Sinister: Shouldn't have, but did... Message-ID: A review of sorts...nothing specific...just a note...no spoilers... I went against my better judgment and downloaded a couple of tracks from FYHCYWLAP... also Legal Man, since there's no prayer of me catching it here for a while. Only listened to "There's Too Much Love" and "The Wrong Girl," and I, for one, am jazzed. Both are quite lovely, and show...GASP!...more growth from the band. Good signs for the future. B Clay can't wait 'til June... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From divadeathcat at xxx.com Sun May 21 01:54:43 2000 From: divadeathcat at xxx.com (Li ^..^) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 00:54:43 GMT Subject: Sinister: hey Message-ID: <20000521005443.87944.qmail@hotmail.com> hey, all the sudden you just got off line.. what happen? :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:( yours forever, li ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From divadeathcat at xxx.com Sun May 21 02:09:40 2000 From: divadeathcat at xxx.com (Li ^..^) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 01:09:40 GMT Subject: Sinister: please excuse the post titled "hey" Message-ID: <20000521010940.40629.qmail@hotmail.com> i'm really sorry all. i actcidentially sent you all something that supposed to go to my boyfriend. just ignore it. :) -li ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mattwardfhnn at xxx.com> Sun May 21 06:35:12 2000 From: mattwardfhnn at xxx.com> (mattwardfhnn at xxx.com>) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 00:35:12 -0500 Subject: Sinister: legal man In-Reply-To: <200005201920.UAA07594@missprint.org> Message-ID: Got my Legal Man single (CD) in the mail yesterday, listened to it quite a few times since then. Legal Man itself reminds me of, say, Taxman era Beatles. I enjoy hearing B&S rock a little more than usual, nice break from all the wonderfully sweet and fragile songs. Nice, witty, humorous lyrics. I doubt it has what it takes to be top-40 (too old sounding, not enough cussing or fake drum beats), but, hell, I enjoy it. Judy is a Dick Slap is fun, although the fact that it's an instrumental (which I remembered reading once I had heard the song) was slightly disappointing. I was hoping for some dick-slapping lyrics, maybe explaining why Judy has found herself in such a posistion. Anyway, reminds me of something, say, Fountains of Wayneish, because of the analog synths and the upbeatness. Winter Wooksie is nice, although it doesn't seem like the "typical b&s" that someone claimed it to be. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Reminds me of White Album era Beatles, like something John Lennon would have written. The melody, maybe the instrumentation too... Anyway, may I also mention that it's nice to hear a B&S song that has a little more of an emphasized base line? The drums are nice too, and I like the sitar (?) at the beginning of Legal Man. Glad to have it, thoroughly enjoying it, well worth the 5.50 + 2 shipping and handling from CDNow. Feel free to right in support of my wonderful opinions. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Sun May 21 07:05:26 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:05:26 +1200 Subject: Sinister: legal man in the southern hemisphere Message-ID: <001301bfc2eb$d9eaa580$a06137d2@computer> Post-script to excessively long mail sent this morning. ***LEGAL MAN*** I got "Legal Man" today - quite a surprise. I went into the local record store and saw it on the shelf ... a day before it even comes out in the UK. Which meant I had to buy it, even though I have a copy coming in the mail in about a weeks time. So .... err .... now I have two copies of the single. Anyway ... I guess I was pretty surprised at how it sounds ... my first thought was "Kula Shaker!" ... which isn't such a great comparison, but it's really growing on me. I really like the fact that it "rocks out" a bit. I think it's a great pop single, but not necessarily a great B&S song. Can't wait for the album ....... I guess my major complaint with the new single is the serious lack iof Stuart Murdoch. Whereas we've always got three or four Start songs per EP, this time we get three tracks, one of which is an instrumental and the other is a (great) Start David song. And "Legal Man" doesn't really feature Stuart M to any great extent anyway. It's almost like he's trying to retreat from his role as "frontman" of the band. Any why, for heaven's sake, was "The Lonliness of a Middle Distance Runner" released as a single to procede the album? If there is one B&S song which could do damage to the charts, its that one. Perfect pop ... Which brings me to all the missing B&S songs. I wonder, with Stuart David having left, whether the glorious "Paper Boat" will ever get an official airing, or whether it will be confined to the cannon of "great lost songs". I think its time Jeepster did a "Hatful Of Hollow" type compilation, featuring all the old songs which have never appeared ('Lord Anthony', 'Middle Distance Runner', 'Family Tree') plus some live covers, all of Stuart Murdoch's brilliant demos like 'London Has Let Me Down Again' etc., along with some of the radio sessions. Anyone want to start a petition?? ***COLDPLAY/SLIPKNOT*** Someone on the Jeepster notice board is looking for someone to accompany them to a Coldplay/Slipknot gig. Which kinda makes me think that Belle and Sebastian's appeal is spreading. To me liking those bands is almost like subscribing to both Satanism AND Christianity, or being at once matter and anti-matter. The musical philosophies seem so far apart as to be irreconsilable. (And ... please ... don't anyone start mailing me off the list telling me what great bands Slipknow and Coldplay are. Please ... I just wouldn't be able to take it.) Well ... that's all/ I'm going to go and listen to "Legal Man" for the seventh time ..... Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Sun May 21 11:05:56 2000 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:05:56 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Dance til you drop, then dance a little more, baby! Message-ID: <009701bfc30c$28f79000$e292183e@default> Hi twee majority, I have no idea where the subject line came from, but *I* like it *PIC-INIC BASKETS* I assume that the London picnic went brilliantly as they always seem to *sob*. I'm sure *sniff* that I'll have loads of *whimper* first-hand accounts of all the fun I missed *breaks down into tears*. I want as many of you people as possible to come to the Edinburgh picnic, just to show me what I missed out on. I'm guessing that most of what I missed out on was alcohol-related, but I could be wrong... *ARTY FARTY* Went along to the Art School in Glasgow last night for the first tmie in *ages*. I got the Divine DJ to play Legal Man *twice* and I bopped along like a mad bugger That is one song that is positively *made* to be played as loudly as possible and have arms, legs, feet, hands and heads swung wildly to. Even asses, probably. I even got in a wee bit of "Hi, I'm Isobel and I swim in midair" dancing Isobel, if you're reading this, I love you really, and you're as cute as buttons and stuff, but the dancing needs just a *tiny* amount of life, eh? I was also delighted to recieve a promo CD copy of Legal Man (only one track, but it's better than nothing. It'll be stuck to my wall on monday when I get the proper release) *JUDY HAS A DOG-NAP* I honestly cannot build up a picture of Dick Slap in my head. I'm hoping it's not too Looper-ish. Don't get me wrong, I like Looper, but they're not B&S, you know? Why does every other country except the UK seem to be able to buy Legal Man in the shops? That's a wee bit unfair on the wee twee Brits, innit? Careful, Jeepsteroids, you may be pushing people towards *gasp* *scream* MP3s!!!!! I wonder when Jeepster will sue Napster..... *THE OTHER BANDS* Lawrence "Goth" Mikkelsen said: >Someone on the Jeepster notice board is looking for someone to accompany >them to a Coldplay/Slipknot gig. Which kinda makes me think that Belle and >Sebastian's appeal is spreading. To me liking those bands is almost like >subscribing to both Satanism AND Christianity, or being at once matter and >anti-matter. The musical philosophies seem so far apart as to be >irreconsilable. Sheesh. I thought I was pretty far off with my love of Rage Against The Machine and the Wu-Tang Clan, but I suppose Slipknot *just* beats that. *AND YOU WILL BLOW US BY THE SCENTED HEAD* I finally head a track by And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead (try typing that three times fast ) and I like. Anyone out there know if they have an album (cos I can never find anything by them in the shops) and if it's worth buying? *SINISTER T-SHIRTS* This is a message to all of you who have mailed me off-list (I'm sorry I couldn't reply in person to you all) about the creation etc. of Sinister t-shirts. I'm afraid that the idea is a bit of a non-starter, for reasons I probably shouldn't go into on the list. Let us say that a powerful force in this universe would prefer it if they failed to exist. I don't know what the force's opinion is on people making their own, but I'm hoping this will be clarified. Sorry to everyone who's hopes I raised only to cruelly dash. *BIG UPS* A big shout out to Amy Jackson from somewhere unpronouncable up-north for being patient with me when I lost my voice in the middle of a phone conversation. *croak* Thanks Amy *A SPECIAL MESSAGE TO ALL THE NON-RADIOHEAD FANS IN #SINISTER WHO KEEP HARASSING ME* "You go to Hell! You go to Hell and you die!!!" I'm probably going to get a bit of a slap on the wrist for that one, but I felt it needed saying I'm not insane, just sanity-impaired. Watching pendulums is a great way to pass the last minute until the 15 required. Maybe Honey is the Legal Man in the song.... "I run the mailing list that you could reasonably require..." Bubye everybody, bubye..... --Jason Andreas If nice guys finish last, then I'll never finish at all... ICQ: 45821217 AIM: RadioJase +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.uk Sat May 20 18:50:08 2000 From: ian at xxx.uk (ian) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:50:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: sinister exam paper Message-ID: <000001bfc284$0ba99d00$4803883e@default> (firstly, just an aside. if you don't know me, ignore this and scan down to the dotted line below. i've been pretty much offline for the last 3 months, and have fallen very far behind with my private correspondence. i'm catching up slowly though, so please nobody think i'm ignoring them) right, to the point of this post. the sinister exam paper. are you ready, my adorable amigos? here it is.. ----- sinister exam paper may 2000. part one. you must answer ONE of the following questions...: 1. make up a mildly amusing but utterly irrelevant story about sarah cracknell. 2.describe what you had for breakfast in minute detail, with an amusing story tagged on the end about how you got really drunk and copped off with a boy and now you can't remember what his name is, and you're not sure if you should speak to him anyway, and...if you did your hair like this, would it look a bit like sarah cracknell? 3. ">I'm not quite sure what ian's thesis is, but it reads very nicely. I do have to take issue with his assertion that anyone who tries to change the world for the>better ends up doing more harm than good, though..... >what about Martin Luther King or William Wilberforce or Nelson Mandela, or...someone else not involved in black emancipation?" discuss prof n. dastoor's comments from his seminal work "i can't stop thinking about stuart pissing on walls", with reference to belle and sebastian, happiness, charles manson and life in general. avoid extensive reference to sarah cracknell. 4. "twee". discuss. at length. Question 3 ("quelle suprise" i hear you cry...) question: discuss prof n. dastoor's comments from his seminal work "i can't stop thinking about stuart pissing on walls", with reference to belle and sebastian, happiness, charles manson and life in general. avoid extensive reference to sarah cracknell. answer: "the world is just a great big onion". (gaye and terrell, 1969) in their earliest successful thesis on the state of the world, marvin gaye and tammi terrell ponder the inherent sadness existing on the planet, and present a radical hypothesis. they suggest that much of the trouble the human race experiences can be ascribed to the essentially vegetable nature of the planet, and assert that: "the only way to get rid of this great big onion/ is to plant love's seeds until it dies" this appears to have been a commonly held perception during the early years of what has now become known as the "gobshite school" of perception. the gobshite school is of course, a thoroughly respected academic institution which persists to the current day, notable recent output being steps's wry and witty postmodernist update to the work of gibb, gibb, gibb, gibb and glibb, in which they assert that "when the feeling's gone and you can't go on, its a tragedy". the gobshite school, for all its persistence, has never felt particularly compelled to back up suggestions of this nature with hard evidence. however, the fact that gaye and terrell tapped a commonly held social perspective of their time is evident when one considers that this was the same decade that saw booker t's outrageously dry social commentary "green onions", and the beatles' suggestion that the world might be better perceived by "looking through a glass onion". the onion hypothesis still holds some validity to this day, whereas more recent attempts to compare the world to carrots, aubergines and pomegranates have met with indifference, if not outright derision. as gaye and terrell offer little but circumstancial evidence for the onion hypothesis, any serious consideration of it must be conducted in conjunction with a lengthy programme of research. literal attempts to "plant love's seeds" often prove unsuccessful. most horticultural establishments do not stock such a product, indeed, my requests that a certain blonde 18 year-old assistant at the notable "homebase" chain of diy and garden centres assisted me by supplying seeds of this nature resulted in a brief but unpleasant encounter with law-enforcement officers. the onion hypothesis, and the suggested solution must, therefore, be taken as metaphorical observations. my research into the ramifications of this brought me into contact with several opposing philosophical doctrines, and neccessitated an examination of the tunes of the modern "popular hit parade". love's seeds, it seems are little in evidence in today's modern musical world. despite constant reference to "love" in the popular music of today, it appears that any concerted effort to facilitate the introduction of this type of philanthropic farming is sadly absent. however, there appear to be a number of marginal cults which hold the worldwide dispersal of "les dandelion-clocks d'amour" (see ref. 1) as a priority. scott plagenhoef (see ref. 2) in his widely-misunderstood work "i think they've got another face/ its not a fault of mine these days" refers to a little known faction known as the "tweehuggers". he is not wholly supportive of this movement, indeed he expresses the opinion that: " For one, I'm hopeful that "twee"doesn't come out of the closet". however, his work does contain the first serious examination of this little-cherished movement. the tweehuggers are, it seems, a group of people who: "use frilly language, wear frilly things, and show a liking for all things cute, furry, shiny, sparkly, or old-fashioned such as the classic cardigan and slippers combo" (ref 3) although it is by no means the intent of all tweehuggers, it seems that many adopt such a stance with precisely the intention of using it to spread the seeds of love throughout the world. it seems that many of the members of this group see the adoption of a twee stance on life as a radical repudiation of mainstream society with its inherent aggression and unhappiness. there are several components to this repudiation. these can be summarised as: 1. appearance. (see above quote from david hoveringsoul) 2. demeanour. this maringal cult seem to believe that being "kind" and "respectful" are a sound basis on which to build their lives, a clear contradiction of current mainstream thinking (ref 4) and finally, and least importantly: 3. musical taste. it seems that, among the members of this group, there is a factional, even obsessive, following of the music of the obscure folk-rock groupette known as "belle and sebastian" the reasons for this cultural leaning amongst the tweehuggers are unclear. however, several suggestions have been put forward. these include the assertion that belle and sebastian produce music which balances the flippant irony preferred of the rock critics of this period with gentle, occasionally introspective observation. although their music often reflects the darker side of existence, occasionally even delving into "the twilight world of the nappy-wearing homosexual", there is frequently a central compassion for the subjects observed and a genuine sympathy for the daily plight of the mundane, uncaring universe faced by the personae within the songs. this daily plight is doubtless one that has been experienced by the writers themselves and is one that is frequently reflected on by the tweehuggers who populate that particularly rabid arm of the belle and sebastian following known as the "sinister" list. it would appear that many of the tweehuggers rely on the output of this musical aberration to occasionally restore their stock of the seeds of love. many, indeed, go further than this, and like to project their own desires out onto the group, believing that the mission of belle and sebastian is, like their own, to spread peace and love throughout the world - to kill gaye and terrell's onion with kindness. this is, however, merely a projection. belle and sebastian appear deliberately vague in their public position on the compassionate slaughter of vegetables and their front-person, a mr. murdoch has even been heard to use the word "cunt" in public. although this does not appear to resonate with a twee perspective on life, it must be remembered that many of those who follow the "yellow-brick road to twee city" (ref 5) are aware that the end destination cannot be a permanent one. these intelligent, thoughtful individuals are fully aware of the banality and violence of everday life and are simply trying to offset it by adopting a non-confrontational stance. this stance, paradoxically, becomes confrontational when viewed through the glass onion that is mainstream culture. many commentators see it not only as wilfully naive, but also as destructively stereotypical and demoniacally insane. it would seem, therefore, that the tweehuggers epitomise the fundamental dichotomy of modern existence. strong enough to be different, yet soft enough to care, these individuals have adopted a non-violent stance to the world which in itself becomes absurdly challenging. in conclusion, it seems that the seeds of love can be spread in many ways, and that a direct fight against the aggression of society - a "fire of angst against a fire of anger" (ref 6) - may not always be the most successful method. in promoting their own doctrine of non-violent resistance and adopting a hesitantly supportive spokesgroup in the individuals who go under the collective title of "belle and sebastian", the tweehuggers are one example of the quiet revolution that may or may not be happening in the heads of the nation. there is, therefore, much validity to prof. dastoor's statement that pursuing an action to improve the world is not neccessarily a waste of time. this may be done in more ways than is commonly accepted. the onion of the gobshite school may soon develop into a far less challenging nectarine. vive la revolution, and pass me my cardie. to conclude, i realise that i haven't actually answered the question but that was because i changed my mind halfway through this piece. in support of such behaviour i would like to quote the eternal wisdom of gorky's zygotic myncei - "i didn't finish my essay/ 'cos rock n roll is okay" (ref 7), and to point out that utter subordination to an arbitrarily chosen discussion topic is a mark of weakness of character and lack of imagination. i would also like to mention that i have incriminating negatives of each of the examiners and am willing to use them if necessary. thank you for listening ian References: 1. e. macarthur "why flora IS the new KY", new statesman 3rd feb 2000. 2. pigeon fancier's monthly, 6th may, 2000 3. d. hoveringsoul "i never REALLY wanted to be famous", hello magazine 7th may 2000 4. l.alder "an introduction to chainsaw-murder", knitting today 18th aug 1997 5. c.manson "why i'm really very, very nice", modern psychopath june 1999 6. a.ross "bollocks to all that", sociology for kittens october 1903 7. "spanish dance sooper troopers", whips and whipping, september 1999 ------------- grade: c marker's comments: you paid very little attention to the question posed, utterly failed to mention charles manson and martin luther king, and only gave a superficial answer to the topic under discussion. however, we are used to this from you and it is creditable that, on this occasion, you managed to avoid mentioning sarah cracknell. in addition, if that was you in the public conveniences behind wolverhampton bus station on friday night, you were damn good and i'll pay for the negatives. ----------------------------------------------- Tomorrow will bring happiness Or at least, another day Phil Ochs +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vincewong at xxx.com Sat May 20 18:55:23 2000 From: vincewong at xxx.com (vincent wong) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 13:55:23 -0400 Subject: Sinister: attracting attention In-Reply-To: <20000519150304.27819.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: yeah I stated liking dick's character too after he says he like b+s, but it was even funnier when that fat dude says "COS they SUCK" I love it when people are sarcastic like that (oh come on, he put on katrina and the wave). But I must say I lost respect to dick when he started talking about how great greenday is (couldn't get the connection). vince on 5/19/00 11:03 AM, Li ^..^ at divadeathcat at hotmail.com wrote: > hello :) > > i saw in a post that someone mentioned how Belle and Sebastian were in High > Fidelity. :) it was QUITE a fun experience for me..hehehe > > durring the beginning of my movie, they play the song Seymor Stine (don't > kick me about the spelling, i know i know.), i JUMPED up in the theater and > i emediatly loved Dick's character just because he litsens to B&S. i scared > the crap out of my boyfriend. hehe.. > > also, it's so groovy to see B&S fans DO EXISTS in NJ. :) i've heard from a > few people who live here, but not too many. if you happen to live in this > horrible, sad state..hehe..mail me :) > > anyways, i've gota go. i'm in school..ZZZzzzzzz... > > > zip zop zoom goes gloom, > li > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ > +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ > +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ > +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ > +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jellybabs at xxx.com Sun May 21 12:34:20 2000 From: jellybabs at xxx.com (Katy Dutton) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 04:34:20 PDT Subject: Sinister: "Yes, blimey, fuck NME!" Message-ID: <20000521113420.18061.qmail@hotmail.com> Oooh, NME. They make me so mad. I stopped buy it about 2 years ago because I got so sick of all the categorisation and bitchiness that seemed to be about. But I've just raced down to the papershop and bought it, for the simple reason that Struan graced the cover. And the inside. And - shock, horror - there was even an interview. Bluddy grate! But you all know the story. You've all read it, of course you have. So, perhaps this is a little petty (please don't hold it against me), I couldn't resist in rising to the Angst challenge: "Come on Belle and Sebastian fands, we're expecting you". Here follows a wee, unedited as yet, letter: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh ho. Imagine my delight when I was confronted, for possibly the first time ever, with the glorious Stuart Murdoch on the cover of a magazine. And not just any old magazine, oh no � the NME. The bloody NME, Belle and Sebastian�s self-styled arch-enemy. You lost the football � big deal. You don�t like the video � big deal. Sour grapes? You see, I wouldn�t be writing in if the article had been well written. But it seems as though ol� Swells sat down after his phone call to Stuart Murdoch and read his thesaurus in an attempt to mask the absolute lack of content or credible critical comment in his planned article. Although it was highly appreciated by the �scary� Sinister List (yes, I�m bloody glad we scare you). It made a nice addition to the list footer, complementing �pasty-faced vegan geeks�and we LOST!� (remember that?). What perhaps irritated me the most was the aforementioned lack of anything remotely valuable, astutely critical or coherent. I don�t care if you slate B&S � you always have, as will a lot of others. But please � don�t insult your readership by deducing that, just because they �get together to make music and the music should speak for itself�, they are elitist, petulant, perverse etc etc. �Why bother being in a band in the first place?� you ask. Well, think about it. If not to make music, it�s for the wrong reasons. Belle and Sebastian�s lack of posturing was a result of the simple desire to make music and, correct me if I�m wrong, has been turned around by the likes of yourselves to be viewed as a publicity exercise in itself. Do you think we really want to see them do something �as corny as entertainment�? Face it, they�re a band you can�t lump in with your usual categories (Grandaddy ring any bells, Abstract Unknown Boy?), and I think that reveals your failings rather than theirs. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm scared. NME might indulge in a spot of Sinister-bashing (or Katy-bashing?). Sod it. I'm going to send it, even if it makes me look like a serious, petty, obsessive, 'scary' fool. And it took me more than 15 minutes to write. Perhaps the NME should take a leaf out of Honey's book, and make sure that their journos spend more than 15 minutes writing their articles. Okay...rant over (phew). Just a few wee notes on other things: 1. Legal Man - the video. A little disappointing, but Struan does look extremely cute. 2. Picnics. Not been to one yet :( That's what you get for living in Nottingham I suppose :( 3. Errr...I'll get back to you on number three. When I recall what it was. Lots of love, Katy x "Trying, in vain, to think of witty comments for eighteen years" ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From strappingarab at xxx.com Sun May 21 13:40:44 2000 From: strappingarab at xxx.com (robert smith) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 05:40:44 PDT Subject: Sinister: meridian madness Message-ID: <20000521124044.56546.qmail@hotmail.com> hello once more, this is going to be all about the london picnic so if you can't be bothered reading about that then you have been warned! what a loverly day we all had in greenwich (which is not nearly as hard to get to as i imagined) i was a little worried as to how much i was going to enjoy myself when i came to the horrid realisation that i'd forgotten my wine (gasp)! despite my lack of lubrication (oooo er)still had loads of fun. even enjoyed playing football for the first time in years. ah yes the football. achance for the sinister boys to display their ... ahem ... skills. there were goals galore and even one good run! this run we heard about sooo many times on the actual day that i'm not going to inflate the ego of the culprit any further by naming him. however, while we are talking about inflating ego's i'm going to shamelessly boost mine. oh my god! i'm a brilliant goalie! from now on i would like to be known as robert "the cat" smith. although this is for reasons unrelated to goalkeeping. : ) then it was back to rich's house for some tea which was just what we all needed. at rich's house met even more listee's including the chaming erica who gave me sweets and for a short time even her hat. : ) erica doesn't like shaking hands, though how she knew where they'd been i'll never know! i didn't go to troubled teenagers because i have the sort of bank bakace that if i even put my card in a cash point the manager comes out of the bank and slaps me! i hope everyone had fun there boogying the night away. i had a smashing day and it confirmed what i thought. that sinister rules! (the school). much love to everyone robert "the cat" smith. p.s. thanks for the haribo david, me sam and elena chowed away very nicely : ) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sweetie_something at xxx.com Sun May 21 13:44:35 2000 From: sweetie_something at xxx.com (sweetie something) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 12:44:35 GMT Subject: Sinister: i said it fashionably Message-ID: <20000521124435.13374.qmail@hotmail.com> sinister hello i hope everyone feels a damn sight better than me. ive been struck down by some evil unwellness and i have to pretend i have blinkers on coz it hurts my head too much to look about and im all hot and sweaty and generally yuck :( and my exams start on tuesday (with higher english) anyway yeah lying in bed yesterday watching chartburn on stv and what came on but the legal man video!! wasnt i excited!! that cheered me up immensely :) i wonder, did anyone else see it?? also i dyed my hair oh yes from shoddy brown to sheek magpie-sheen blue/black and its permanent and its coool :) and it is now official my eyes are not blue they are grey ive been trying to tell my mum this for years, she finally agreed on thursday anyway from me, that is all slinkies and sticklebricks sweetie xox ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ol01 at xxx.uk Sun May 21 15:20:35 2000 From: ol01 at xxx.uk (The Narrow Wizard) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 15:20:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: god gave rock n roll to ya Message-ID: NOTHING EVER HAPPENS HERE I have been informed that stevie Jackson is playing a solo gig in Stirling on friday night. can anyone confirm this? there's plenty of floor space at my place if anyone wants to go to it. THE STATE THAT I AM IN had my last ever exam yesterday and then had a massive drinking session woo hoo. not in the best of states at the minute though, I think it has more to do with seeing one of my lecturers get thrown out of a bar for dancing on tables than the fact that I was drunk. I'm still scared by the memory. RANDOM LYRIC QUOTE I don't wanna stay at your party I don't wanna talk to your friends I don't wanna vote for your president I just wanna be a tugboat captain. A FAREWELL TO ARMS actually its more a farewell to the list than to arms cos I leave uni in a week and I don't have a computer of my own. This could well be my last ever post. Of course I may make it back here at some point but I don't know if I will. It was great knowing you all and I wish you all the best of luck in everything. Honey...thanks a lot. love and warm fuzzy feelings owen With that the narrow wizard waggled his bushy eyebrows and disappeared in a flash of blue flame leaving behind only a faint smell of cinnamon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From aconover at xxx.net Sun May 21 06:08:10 2000 From: aconover at xxx.net (adam apparatus) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 01:08:10 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Dance til you drop, then dance a little more, baby! In-Reply-To: <009701bfc30c$28f79000$e292183e@default> Message-ID: <200005211641.MAA06542@s1.optonline.net> On 21 May 00, at 11:05, Jason Andreas muttered into a little tape recorder: > This is a message to all of you who have mailed me off-list (I'm sorry I > couldn't reply in person to you all) about the creation etc. of Sinister > t-shirts. I'm afraid that the idea is a bit of a non-starter, for reasons I > probably shouldn't go into on the list. Let us say that a powerful force in > this universe would prefer it if they failed to exist. I don't know what the > force's opinion is on people making their own, but I'm hoping this will be > clarified. Sorry to everyone who's hopes I raised only to cruelly dash. boy, i hope it's not honey... that would be nasty! - adam aconover at optonline.net Tempus Fugit is at: http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~conover/tempus/main.html +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk Sun May 21 19:27:44 2000 From: amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk (amy_jackson0) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 19:27:44 +0100 Subject: Sinister: happy happy joy joy Message-ID: <005b01bfc352$5f411aa0$a6023c3e@tinypc> eh oh poppets, I have my Higher exams in (....counts on fingers...) 3 days. Three bloody days. Any of you doing Higher English please tell me something. At my school, we've been told that it's on Wednesday, and that's what it says on the exam timetable from the SQA too. But we are all doing Higher Still, non? Well, my school is anyway, maybe you's aren't....but i'm so paranoid that i've got the dates wrong and i'll miss the exam and won't be able to go to uni this year and then i won't be able to.......never mind (*blush*) So i am a wee bitty worried. Ah well, I'll just wait and see what happens... Ooh, legal man tomorrow! Though i won't be able to get it probably at least until Friday, due to living 85 miles away from the nearest record shop, and even then that's just a crummy our price.....but one day, i will have a copy of it in my grubby l'il hands!!!! YAY!! *ahem*.... Jason Andreas said>> *BIG UPS* A big shout out to Amy Jackson from somewhere unpronounceable up-north for being patient with me when I lost my voice in the middle of a phone conversation. *croak* Thanks Amy Ahh jason m'dear, no bother at all! Though the croaky voice did have a sort of resemblance to.....Barry White? Madge Bishop? Phyllis from Coronation Street (she of purple rinse hair and "ooh, Percy love!" catchphrase..)? Well, i like speaking to you anyways, croaky voice or not.....*smile* I might be going to the Edinburgh picnic!!!!! If i can find the money that is.....I only have £6.50 in the world at the moment, and I have to get a train ticket etc.......so I don't know if i will actually get there. But i really really really really will try and make it, if only to play some footie and dance around the Scot Monument (!!) Guess what. I left school. T'was a bit of a sudden decision on all accounts, though i had been thinking about it for absolutely ages, so on Tuesday i went into school and told all the teachers that i was going, hopefully to do English at Strathclyde Uni. Most were pleased for me, some want me to stay cos they think i'll drop out and also to make up the numbers so the school looks good in the league tables (*yawn*) but I know that if i stay there any longer i'll go mad. So I'm off to the bright lights of Glasgow *hopefully*......as i'll only be just 17 (not like the magazine though) it'll be a bit scary an' everything, but i know for a fact that i will enjoy it all. There, I've said it now, I just hope that I can get good enough results in these darn exams to go... Well, kidlets, I'm off to act out battles scenes from Star Wars with my wee bro. I'm Skywalker, he's Darth......I can't be the bad guy, I'm just too cute!!!!! ;) Adios, Littlebelle XXXXXXXXXXXX "let me take you to the sun" Dot Allison, "Close Your Eyes" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From JENOWL22 at xxx.com Sun May 21 19:36:40 2000 From: JENOWL22 at xxx.com (JENOWL22 at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:36:40 EDT Subject: Sinister: NME always was crap anyway Message-ID: <67.4650e9b.265986b8@aol.com> Hewwo, I haven't checked my mail in about a week and a half, because I took another of my bouts of being scared of switching the computer on. It's just the actual switching on and waiting for it to load onto windows, I hate that and it scares me no end. Mike said: << Jesus, selling out? >> And for a minute I read it wrong and thought that Jesus was going to be advertising Pepsi and whathaveyou. Does anyone remember TV Offal, where they had they "Oh for christs sake bit" and the "It's Nice Selling God" song? And the Gay Daleks, they were grate. Is that ever still on? I got a bit um pushed about in school the other day and my almost new gentle waves badge is broke. It's like one of those games where you have to hit things that pop out of holes at amusement arcades and stuff, and everytime you hit one down, another one pops up, because everytime I get a replacement badge for one the hard kids broke or stole, they go and break or steal a different one. Jarrod said, and maintained: <> But I think Bel is grate and that she has a really cool and huggable voice, and I love her to bits (without having actually met her or anything but there you go). Also, I've heard that she likes knee high socks, and I like anyone who wears knee high sock who hasn't been forced to. Oh yep, and I've also heard the new album and I think it's grate and they don't sound like they've sold out at all and I cried at the Chalet Lines, even though I might have already told you all that. Also, I know that they Jarrod thing/everyone fighting is over but I really wanted to talk about knee high socks, and how grate and funky the new album is. I've not heard Legal Man still, but I always kind of thought that the Ba ba ba bit in Stop by the Spice Girls sounded a bit like the Eurotrash theme tune just a tiny bit so does it sound like that? Oooh, I went did a debate. It was my first ever proper debate that I'd been on the team for, and I was pretty scared because I'd only had three days to prepare, and I'd been sick all day. But it was grate fun, and everybody laughed at my rebuttle in a non-nasty way, and said I was grate and the boys from St Aloysius kept hugging me and pinching my bum and flirting with me, which has never really happened to me before, and one of them had really huggable cheeks, and WE WON rah! and we went through to the final with St Aloysious and if you want to come then tell me because I'm all happy and excited. Now I will go and stop boring you all. Hugs, Jen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From NalTownley at xxx.com Sun May 21 21:30:52 2000 From: NalTownley at xxx.com (NalTownley at xxx.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:30:52 EDT Subject: Sinister: a cautious hello... Message-ID: I was given my ‘voice’ about a week ago so I thought Id say hello now… Should I introduce myself? I think I shall… well my name is Nal, I’m 20, female and studying at Uni. here in Hull… (Although only 3 weeks till I go back to London for the summer) I’ve been into B&S for quite a while now but I’ve only just got ‘free’ internet access ‘hence only joining the sinister list now… I’ve not much else say… to be honest I'm quite scared about sending this email cos’ of all the debates about what should & shouldn’t be said in these messages… but this is my first so I hope you will all forgive me if I break any rules... (Plus I'm still suffering from concussion from falling over at the star & garter last week at the B&S night so my brain is a bit foggy and I’m still mourning Wimbledon relegation from the premier league so please be nice to me!!) Been listening to the new Looper album all day… all though embarrassingly I only found out the real words to ‘Uncle Ray’ today after singing rather loudly along… you know the bit where it goes… “Drink this to put out the fire…drink this to put out the flames…drink this it tastes like vanilla…drink this to cool down your brain” Well I thought it said “Jake pissed to put out the fire…Jake pissed to put out the flames…Jakes’piss tastes like vanilla…drink piss to cool down your brain.” The sad thing is that I thought the words were really cool cos I’ve got a pet rabbit called Jake and she has a habit of going to the toilet all over my bed (I'm trying to litter train at the mo’ but she’s still only a baby rabbit so It will take some time) though the real words make far more sense. Anyway while I'm here I’d just like to say hello to the girl who works in superdrug in Hull; we met a few weeks ago… you spotted my Jeepster badge… I'm sorry if I wasn’t very talkative… I’m quite shy… though feel free to email me personally for a chat about all things hull - I’m gonna be putting on an ‘Indie’ night here in hull soon and I need people to get involved…etc… so do get in touch…(if you want to that is!) Anyway take care people…I hope I haven’t bored you too much… Nal NalTownley at aol.com Womble_Moz at yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From carrot515 at xxx.com Sun May 21 21:54:18 2000 From: carrot515 at xxx.com (Ryan Mann) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: nice day for a sulk Message-ID: <386708365.958942458684.JavaMail.root@web115-wra.mail.com> hello everyone this is a quick but unbearably urgent request...for those of you who have heard the aforementioned track what the heck song is it that it sounds exactly like...i mean the piano bit...its driving me insane...i know its a popular song that will have me kicking myself black and blue please respond to me privately at rmann at cdnow.com so as to not ruin it for everyone else... thanks from ryan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From twinkle at xxx.uk Sun May 21 21:55:23 2000 From: twinkle at xxx.uk (Florence) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:55:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: next stop - the Turner Prize Message-ID: <00a001bfc367$07ad29e0$050f883e@fivvwrpw> It's true, as of yesterday I am an award winning artist, having scooped first prize in the art competition at 2000 Troubled Teenagers, for my orange plasticine sculpture entitled 'Fox with a Sombrero to Wear in the Snow'. If I'm really honest it was no surprise - my artistic career has been heading this way all along. At the age of four I came third in a competition organised by Birmingham City Council, when I won a book called 'How Animals Live' for my collage of a tree made from screwed-up balls of green tissue paper. Six months later I won second prize in the Co-op's colouring competition. This was a little disappointing, as it meant I went home with a box of paints and not the shiny bicycle I was really after. But last night's achievement finally made the 22 intervening years of artistic struggles and starving in garrets all worth while. And they were darn fine prizes too, so all in all a splendid ending to a fantastic day. My first London picnic was a truly wonderful experience, and I want to thank everybody who was so lovely and friendly towards me (everyone I spoke to basically). I'm not mentioning it to alienate / piss off the majority of you who weren't there, but because I think it's proof for anyone who needs it that people on this list *aren't* 'cliquey', and don't consider themselves some kind of 'cool set' - I went along yesterday with a couple of friends, and we were pretty nervous because we didn't know anyone, but once we got chatting to people we were fine. Nobody I spoke to was at all unapproachable or unfriendly. So my point is that anyone, anywhere, in my position (I've been lurking on this list for over a year now) should take the plunge, go along to these events, and speak to some of the people there - you won't regret it. If I can do it, anyone can! Jen said: >Oh yep, and I've also heard the new album and I think it's grate and they >don't sound like they've sold out at all and I cried at the Chalet Lines, >even though I might have already told you all that. I heard it properly all the way through for the first time today, and I agree 100% with Jen. It's completely fab, and I reckon most of the rest of you will (or already do) think so too. Florence xx ____________________________________________________________ Pink Lemonade with Twinkle at www.CamdenTownNW1.freeserve.co.uk "I still want to get my hair cut just like Jean Seberg" - Marine Research +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Daf_Moore at xxx.com Sun May 21 23:58:36 2000 From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:58:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The High Numbers Message-ID: <000001bfc378$8d11a960$5c9f01d5@default> Hi 1325 Troubled Whateveragers, BEFORE Sadly missed seeing Ally dressed in a selection from Lucy's wardrobe: only got to see the nail varnish later at the... GREENWICH PICNIC Which was cool (but sometimes sunny): nice (not scary) people, chat, food, booze, football, toilets (!), electrickery, flashers, fashion, photography, reminiscing over ATP photos, John Peel becoming Terence Stamp, & the first listen for some to... LEGAL MAN Ha! I told you that those wonderful people at Disques International Jeepster wouldn't be charging very much for the 12 inch: in fact they were GIVING them away later in the Paradise Bar. Those of you contemplating a purchase should know that the 12" JIADS track is 60 seconds longer than that on the CD, but 2 minutes & 10 seconds different, and with added Mick Cooke (so worthwhile). As for the music, its a carefully constructed hommage to British electronica acknowledging The Tornados, Rolf Harris, Hawkwind, Stereolab & The Gentle Waves over a joyous dance track. I think I will end up listening to this track more than to Legal Man itself. Another question for (I suspect) (spokesperson)/Back Cover Star: who is the person in the framed photo on the cover art? Stevie Jackson talks about "Legal Man" ** "Hi. I've been asked to write a few word about our next release - "Legal Man". Something of an innovation for the group, this is a ensemble piece written by us one day while trying out an Electric Sitar. There's nothing very profound about the song I have to say, it's just a love story about a boy and a girl and the boy happens to be a member of the legal profession. "Judy Is A Dick Slap" is our first instrumental to be released. Hard to know what to say about this, except I love it and play it all the time. "Winter Wooskie" was assembled from a demo Stuart David cut in the studio. The rest of the group lovingly brought the song to life in true "Free As A Bird" fashion, dubbing on our parts while using the latest technology to enhance the original recording to an aesthetic conclusion we feel he would have been proud of. And that's it, except to say that this record has been designed for the Pop Singles Market and every care has been taken at the mastering stage to ensure it sounds good on the radio. Another innovation! No, not at all. With the exception of "This Is Just A Modern Rock Song" all our EP's have been designed for the Pop Charts, have all been chart eligible and indeed have all charted, as high as 32 on one occasion! I read in a magazine this morning that this record is our fist chart eligible single and our first attempt at mainstream success. Nonsense. If this is an attempt at mainstream chart success, then it is no more so than any of our other releases. All our EP's were considered by us to have hit song potential and were released in the hope that they would be playlisted and become hits. Should anyone be surprised! Why ask questions! THIS IS THE PROFESSION WE HAVE CHOSEN. We are supposed to be a Pop Group after all. Anyway I hope you like the record. Love Stevie." ** from the programme for... 2000 TT Random recollections: lots of danceable B&S played, the DJ's seamless segue from whatsit's St Tropez (the Eurotrash theme) into Legal Man, the covers band whose name I can't recall (Kajagoogoo?) assassinating Fox In The Snow & The State That I Am In to a reaction ranging from horrified by the sacrilege to wetting themselves at how funny it was, Cazz :) sorry Casarotto's talented pole-dancing (where do you practice, Mark?), Arantxa's Austin Powers Go-Go Dancing on the illuminated stage, Carsmile Steve's arms & legs everywhere, nearly puking when they played Rupert The Bear & the theme from Rainbow, remembering that String Bean Jean is one of my all time favourite songs, some snogging (no names), dancing (what, me?) with Martin Rockford to Photo Jenny (the boys are just friends) & pondering the future of B&S: the good time dance thread has always been there (the Tigermilk Instrumental, the track that I think is called Grazing In The Grass, the boys' DJing) but is now becoming more public, & is meeting more widespread acclaim (single getting daytime airplay, etc.) Can the needs of the "old time Belle and Sebastian fans" still be met satisfactorily, and can their tastes grow in parallel with those of the band? AND SO TO BED Walking back to the car in Greenwich at 2.30 a.m. we saw a Fox In The Rain: thanks for the directions, Joe :) Love to all, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin at xxx.uk Mon May 22 02:26:40 2000 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin Robinson) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 02:26:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I was a teenage donkey, and look at me now! Message-ID: Hello, you are not as gay as me. But you may still be allowed to live. The weekend has been a haze of crap. Yet still the fact shines through that Matt Powell is a twat. Funny how some things never change. Thanks Alasdair Cook, who's typing with his lovely nail varnished fingers. What a big Glaswegian girl. He really is not worth listening to, is he? I mean does anyone even like him? Thought not. I, on the other hand, am a keyboard God whose every word should be recorded and left in hotel rooms instead of the bible. That Jesus was over-rated anyway. As I always say, never trust a man with a beard. Even if beards are fun. 2000 Troubled Teenagers had the surprise guests of B&S playing in the toilets. They did "Weeing on the people" and were asked never to return to the city. Which is just as well, because I've heard the next album (not the new one) "I'm shy and introspective but I still buy fish and chips", and it's rubbish. Didn't they used to be good? Today I got pissed, which is why I'm talking pish. So I'll stop now. Bye bye. Martin xx Right thanks Ally for pretending to me again, abusing him. He wishes... And pretending to be himself. It's all very odd. Ummm... the picnic in London was great. And 2000TT, after the initial entrance fiasco which I can sympathise with as they drew the line at Carsmile Steve. A good door policy if ever there was one, I mean would you want him in your house? Anyway, 2000TT was about as good as the big eccles cake I stole at the picnic, but not as good as the red slush puppie. But what could be? Apparently Ally says this email is a filler so I don't have to write anything, especially as I'm a bit jaded right now according to some weird Russian doll on #chat. Te ra, Alasdair xx P.S This has nothing to do with Jim Rockford or penguins. Which is why it's complete pish. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mike at xxx.net Mon May 22 03:04:29 2000 From: mike at xxx.net (Michael Simanoff) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 22:04:29 -0400 Subject: Sinister: please find me somebody to live Message-ID: <00e401bfc392$117e61c0$e7ef51d1@computer> Hi all -- first post. I'm a B&S fan in the heart of New York CIty, home of some decent music and three restaurants for every set of lips. OK, so there's a lot of talk about the new album, and this has been done to death BUT. I've taken to not judging, because while I loved Tigermilk and Sinister and all the little EPs at first listen, I really didn't like TBWTAS when I first heard it. Why, don't know why. But after a few more listens I soon began to consider that it might even be The Best. The only song I immediately liked (Sleep the Clock Around) is now my least favorite song on the album. Maybe the group is maturing, diversifying, experimenting, but I think it's all going fine. I mean, the way Space Boy Dream goes into Dirty Dream #2, I love that. About the popularity argument -- I'm not going to get into my own personal opinions, cuz I don't really have any, but I do chuckle when I realize that pop no longer means popular. I don't attach value either way to the word popular... but then again I do enjoy the irony of a pop band being unpopular, which exposes the vast machine of the music industry which promotes and rewards a lot of stuff that's just um Crap. And to add something new to the group, I just thought I'd like to say that, although I'm American, I grew up in London and my favorite song when I was growing up and glued to the telly watching Top of the Pops was that Dead or Alive song, "you spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round round round" or something to that effect. It still echoes in my mine and I can see the lead singer from Dead or Alive, with his massive hair, sometimes in my dreams. Shudder. Oh, and I think I saw John Cale in Barnes and Noble the other day. Nice to meet you all. Mike --- Mike Simanoff mike at simanoff.net and of course www.simanoff.net +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mattwardfhnn at xxx.com> Mon May 22 07:28:24 2000 From: mattwardfhnn at xxx.com> (mattwardfhnn at xxx.com>) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 01:28:24 -0500 Subject: Sinister: favor In-Reply-To: <200005211026.LAA19667@missprint.org> Message-ID: I'm constructing a mixed cd for the girlfriend of a friend, who, poor dear, likes top-40 music. Anyway, Belle and Sebastian will be on the cd, since they represent all the is good, indie, and twee. Here's where you kids come in. What song do you think either a) best represents the band, or b) would be most likely to appeal to a top 40 person? Feel free to reply to me personally, or post to the list if you're feeling brave or important. Thanks to all for help fighting the good fight. Ward +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From smiley at xxx.uk Mon May 22 10:27:57 2000 From: smiley at xxx.uk (Mr Smiley) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:27:57 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Legal Man will sound good in the sun Message-ID: <001b01bfc3d0$8b6f3c00$6807883e@n8j4k7> Hi, OK so I'm pretty sure I was the first (only?) person in Worksop to buy Legal Man. It was 10 past 9, when I got there, but I had to do my hair first you know. It takes a lot of time and gel to get it to look like I've just got out of bed. I suppose over the coming week we'll all have to endure lots of people saying "I bought Legal Man, it's great!!", so I don't see why I should be any different. Legal Man: My least fave on the single, but it gets better every time I play it (and considering that the EP is on repeat play it should be a classic by lunchtime) I wish I could remember what the Eurotrash theme sounds like. JIADS: It's very good, although I don't think it *should* be extended. Because that would be boring (what with it being an instrumental). It does sound like it's come from a Velvet Underground rarities disc. Winter Wooksie: Is the best track here. Lovely. Right that's that over with. Now I'm going to talk about my life to stretch this out a bit. Hmm, well I have my first exam tomorrow, so I shouldn't be writing this should I? [Mike gets worried]. Oh yeah, and today a letter came for my dad, well it was addressed to the exors of my deceased granddad, about sorting out said granddad's gas bill. On the front of the envelope it said "Say farewell to the standing charge - it's the last time you'll see it", which strikes me as a silly thing to put on an envelope you're going to send to the relatives of a deceased customer. Well, I'm on the second play of JIADS since I sat down, so I guess that must be about 15 minutes. Platonic hugs, Mike ICQ: 73775341 Email - smiley at rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk The Black Den - http://www.rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From idleberry at xxx.com Mon May 22 11:14:52 2000 From: idleberry at xxx.com (idle berry) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 03:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Exam stress. Its my own fault really. Message-ID: <20000522101452.5213.qmail@web614.mail.yahoo.com> Been listening to B+S all weekend. Its the only thing that I can use to take my frazzled little brain off the thought of the year... Ex-ams. Well, Nice to know I'm not going to be alone when I have to resit my exams. I haven't even taken them yet, but I fear I might be doing resits. Why oh why oh why did I choose this daft subject? I never really liked foreign languages. Well, at least I know I don't want to do anything more with languages when I graduate! If any of you don't know, I'm doing Norwegian. And tomorrow is the first exam. A scary nasty exam,scarier than listening to Mogwai, after watching a horror film in your house, on your own, where things go bump in the dark and you're in bed. I have to translate Norwegian (50% mark cos its my honours language) Danish and Swedish (25% of the mark each) into English. All I know, is its going to take three hours, and that I don't get a dictionary, and that its based on detective novels. Its quite a daunting thought, and my stomach is churning like a washing machine on spin. I don't really know where to begin with revision for it either. I am dreading it. I really am. I feel like a lamb to the slaughter. What if it all goes wrong? do I start wibbling my lips and stick my pencil up my nose and plead insanity? No theres a thought.... What if I don't pass? Its too scary to think about. What the hell was I thinking when I sent in that UCAS form all those years ago? I need to pass. I really do. I have one more year left at uni, and I so want to get out, with a little dignity intact and a degree. I don't care right now what grade it is. Afterall, my main concern isn't involving a job with languages. I think I fancy a job where I can speak, talk and write English. I've been studying languages since I was 12. I'm 21 now. Time for a break from it. And don't even think of giving me support. I really am very very crap at languages. Still, at least its not Nynorsk (Norways other official lanaguage, spoken by a minority...), or synomynynynyns. And god, am I panicking. After this, everything else is easy. Welfare state of Scandinavia? a cinch. The UN and Nato in Scandinavia? easy as pie. The second World War in Norway? pah! The language and the press ideology, of them and us? do it in my sleep. Meanwhile, studying isn't quite going as planned. Ended up playing my guitar instead, and played it over the phone to a friend in Cardiff, at which point he said it was very good, (ahh!) and we decided to form a band. How we shall reherse over the phone, I do not know. But we swapped chords and things, and hes working on my ideas, and when I feel ready, I might do the same with his. who knows? Got a name too. After my second favourite chocolate bar. Fir Klover. Its all one word, but I didn't want any sniggers from you at the back (and you Honey! no protesting innocense!) calling it Firk lover. Oh, bliemy, this is all too much. Love, Idles. ===== http://www.geocities.com/idleberry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hewits at xxx.uk Mon May 22 12:22:14 2000 From: hewits at xxx.uk (stephen hewitt) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:22:14 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Poetry and music and some laughs Message-ID: <9188A3453EEED111BD7300805FEDEB690125A2A5@park_ex> Oooooh, my aching thighs... *steve makes a mental note "never ever attempt to play football again" I should have realised when i was gasping for breath by the time i got to the top of greenwich hill (groan, yes another picnic post) that footy was out of the question, but a few cans of john smiths can do strange things to a young boy's sense of judgement. Anyway a lovely time was had by all, as you may have gathered, nice to meet friends, just as nice to make new ones. So on we eventually went to 2000 troubled teenagers, which was ACE. Unlike some of these city folk with their fancy "indie discos", some of us very rarely get to hear our fave band played through large speakers and certainly not every four or five songs. This may go some way to explaining my somewhat exuberant dancing, or it could be that i was as pissed as a fart, you decide. However, it goes no way to explaining why i was slow dancing with a particular (male) list member who will remain nameless (but still very obviously gay and crap at pool :)) i do have some photos but i haven't quite finished the film, so it may be some time until they see the light of day (although following the first line of this post I'll have to use some of it up taking pics of my thighs). I also claim the record for sleeping with the most sinisterines at once. I'm not quite sure how many of us were in martin, matt, geoff and rich's lounge (thank you once again for your hospitality gentlemen), or, in fact, how many of us actually got any sleep, but it was at least 7 or 8. Well, as i've been asleep almost constantly since i got back, i haven't really got any more news, except that mrs carsmile reckons Struan looks like "a young Steve McQueen" in the Legal Man vid. And the new album is definately a grower, and good for listening to on buses, inevitably. xoxo CarsmileSteve +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clb112 at xxx.uk Mon May 22 15:37:54 2000 From: clb112 at xxx.uk (clb112) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:37:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: winter wookskie Message-ID: <39294642.2427465E@york.ac.uk> my mate got up to buy "legal man" before his 10.15 lecture this morning and he's just lent me his discman and i'm in the library listening to "winter wooksie" on repeat (in return he got my crappy walkman with a half-finished tape of hefner b-sides). i'm going to get up and start dancing on the desks in a minute. caroline xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Marc.Hauser at xxx.com Mon May 22 15:38:33 2000 From: Marc.Hauser at xxx.com (Hauser, Marc) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:38:33 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Legal Man Message-ID: <810C1642DBB6D21184DC0090273C5C8DE602B6@SPOCK> Just picked up Legal Man here in Chicago, USA -- happy to discover that they released it here and that I don't have to fly across to ocean to get it. The title song is fantastic. Wondering whether anyone has the lyrics posted (not on the official website yet). marc _____________________ Marc D. Hauser, Atty. Goldberg, Kohn, Bell, Black, Rosenbloom & Moritz, Ltd. 55 East Monroe Street, Suite 3700 Chicago, IL 60603-5802 (312) 201-3986 Phone (312) 332-2196 Fax marc.hauser at goldbergkohn.com www.goldbergkohn.com _____________________ The information transmitted in this e-mail message and attachments, if any, may be attorney-client information, including privileged and confidential matter, and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. Distribution to, or review by, unauthorized persons is prohibited. All personal messages express views solely of the sender, which are not to be attributed to Goldberg, Kohn, Bell, Black, Rosenbloom & Moritz, Ltd. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From craigrm at xxx.uk Mon May 22 16:32:36 2000 From: craigrm at xxx.uk (craigrm) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:32:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the loneliness of a 12" single Message-ID: <39292DE0@www.twigger.co.uk> Afternoon all, Just a quick message as I'm at work and feel oddly naughty posting when I should be working on ... ummm..... really important stuff. Thanks to everyone at the picnic and 2000TT, I had a great time even if I sucked at football. Anyway the purpose of this post, the Legal Man review from NME.... I think it's appearing in this weeks magazine but sorry if I've got my dates screwed up and everyone's already seen this. I'm not sure who the reviewer is but I think they've been chatting to Mr Wells. Luv, Craig x Belle & Sebastian Legal Man(Jeepster) Is that the sound of wailing in the distance? Do what you must now - sit down, sup on a cup of strong tea, suspend your disbelief - because B&S have some shocking news. It seems we had them wrong all along - in reality they've always hankered after the fickle tummy rub of commercial success. Doubtful? Well in a press release written by the band's own Stevie Jackson, the truth comes out. "This record has been designed for the pop singles market and every care has been taken at the mastering stage to ensure it sounds good on the radio... We are supposed to be a pop band after all." Pausing only to let those of a gentle disposition compose themselves, and to allow the further shocking revelation that this has, in fact, been the credo behind all their other releases, we must inform you it features an electric sitar, drumming that can only be described as rollicking, innocent '60s harmonies detailing an average love affair, and a breezily fluttering tune. Some things never change though, because while their newly-professed love of the green might be a ground-shaking indie moment, obviously 'Legal Man' is still as gormlessly twee as a grown adult wearing a Teletubby backpack. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sugarbum1 at xxx.com Mon May 22 16:43:24 2000 From: sugarbum1 at xxx.com (Grace Howarth) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:43:24 GMT Subject: Sinister: Just a little public service announcement Message-ID: <20000522154324.88819.qmail@hotmail.com> Greetings, I've just rung Leeds City Varieties and they've confirmed that Gorky's aren't playing tonight, or indeed for the rest of the tour.It says as much on nme.com and has been posted on other webrings but i thought i'd check you'd got the message but I thought it was worth finding out from the venue knowing the general unreliability of nme.com journalists. Apparently it's being postponed until mid-July, with all bought tickets still usable. At least they've got a proper excuse: Norman Blake's daughter is in hospital after a car crash; none of the promotional commitments crap we usually get fed when a band don't sell enough tickets. Still, just in the hope of catching a few people before they set off with a general gorky's anticipation in their hearts only to be turned away by a cleaning lady who thinks you are looking for a mad primate. Apart from that disappointment i have had a lovely day sat in my garden listening to Legal Man. It made me very happy and I had to be calmed down with a glass of orange squash and a digestive biscuit, both of which are always guaranteed to dampen the spirits. I maintain the belief that digestives are the creation of evil scientists to see if we will eat dog food if it is marketed as a human product. Which means I can never eat one without imagining a bearded professor sat in a room chortling away at the sick joke he has played on society. But the music was great and I love Judy.. more than legal Man itself. It is on 'repeat this track'on my stereo, which I know is not sensible in the longrun as the novelty is completely lost, but it's very nice for the moment. Cheerio Grace And she spent the rest of the day separating the bits from the marmalade, or, if you prefer, the marmalade from the bits. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From splag at xxx.net Mon May 22 17:54:17 2000 From: splag at xxx.net (Scott Plagenhoef) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:54:17 -0600 Subject: Sinister: legalese Message-ID: <200005221559.QAA07913@missprint.org> Marc D. Hauser, Atty. wrote: Just picked up Legal Man here in Chicago...The title song is fantastic. A far cry from previous tales of uptight Chicago lawyers fumbling about and cursing at three-hole punches, an explanation for that three-pieced suited baritone on the Loop-bound Brown line and an obvious bit of irony. Ian, in his amusing Sinister exam, stated and quoted myself as such: scott plagenhoef (see ref. 2) in his widely-misunderstood work "i think they've got another face/ its not a fault of mine these days" refers to a little known faction known as the "tweehuggers". he is not wholly supportive of this movement, indeed he expresses the opinion that: " For one, I'm hopeful that "twee"doesn't come out of the closet". Hmm, actually it was: There is (thankfully) not a single word that sums up our band -- or ourselves. For one, I'm hopeful that "twee" doesn't come the closest. Sorry to be defensive, but the sexual orientation of "twee" or any other word is strictly none of my business or concern. Homo-, hetero-, or bilingual it makes no difference to me. Misquoted. Now I know how Struan feels. I probably just broke about 47 list rules. Sorry. I hope all had pleasant weekends. scott. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From T1S1T1 at xxx.com Mon May 22 18:45:33 2000 From: T1S1T1 at xxx.com (T1S1T1 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:45:33 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Exam stress.(lurker post) legal man Message-ID: <006b83345171650WWWMAIL3@www.collegeclub.com> just finally finish exams, so i slept in till 10 this morning, time is killing me because i have to wait to get grades and wait to get legal man. the nearest store that has it is about 45 min away. the suspense is killing. travis ++++++++++=++++++++++++++=====+++++ www.mp3.com/lostcompanions please check out, drop me a line aol: travT45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why is College Club the largest and fastest growing college student site? Find out for yourself at http://www.collegeclub.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sophie at xxx.uk Mon May 22 18:55:05 2000 From: sophie at xxx.uk (sophie watkinson) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:55:05 +0100 Subject: Sinister: my voice! In-Reply-To: <200005212312.AAA24716@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> References: <200005212312.AAA24716@sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: phew. i've been waiting with eager anticipation for *weeks* now for exceptance into the wierd and wonderful world of sinister. i had all of these really cool things to say about all the debates that have been going on. but now that i've been "given my voice", i also seem to have "lost it", in the sense that i can't think of anything witty which might endear me to you. because i'm *so* desperate to be liked that my palms are sweating and my brain is hurting. only *i* could get embarrassed over the net. okeedoke. my names sophie, ive got my first a level exam tommorow. eek. should really be revising about injection moulding for my design exam. im a bit sad about leaving school. after years of being confined to the solitary corner of the diner hall with my marmite and alf-alfa sandwiches i'm only just starting to enjoy the idea of being a teenage freak. and other people are only just starting to except me as a person, not a geek. the other day, however, i did read someone's nomination form for our leaving ball prizes. someone had created a catorgary just for me: most wanna-be indie person: sophie. i wasn't insulted. the person who wrote it quotes oasis, ocs and the stereophonics as their favourite bands. and don't you just HATE the word 'indie'. i don't quite know what makes me a 'wanna-be'. well, i hope i can be excepted into the land of sinister. i used to be quite a big part of another mailing list/fandom but as the band got bigger, things got far too bitchy and so i left. like if you haven't slept with the lead singer and haven't got the first single ltd release on vinyl then you're not a *true* fan. i like the sound of sinister tho. the word twee comes to mind............................hehe! only joking! and about the nme thang: i suggest we all email angst tonite to ask whether or not that tony robinson who did last weeks angst is gay simon from eastenders or not. love sophie xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samwaltonyeah at xxx.com Mon May 22 19:57:14 2000 From: samwaltonyeah at xxx.com (Sam Walton) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:57:14 GMT Subject: Sinister: Just a quick thank you. Message-ID: <20000522185714.80829.qmail@hotmail.com> Hiya all. This is just a short post to say two things. Firstly, I'd just like to thank y'all for being so funky and nice at the London picnic. I know this is getting toward list-abuse, so I'll make it short, but I really enjoyed myself, and wasn't totally expecting to. The footie was great, especially some Yank who kept forgetting that it was soccer he was playing and not "football".... Anyway, just one thing: why do we have to wait for an album to come out before we have a meet up? Just a thought. The other thing: Bought the Legal Man EP today. WW is my fave at the moment, but everything could change. I endeared myself to the guy in the record store by buying second hand copy of "Grace" by Jeff Buckley. He told me that it was the best record in the world.... Anyway, that's about it. I know that this didn't take me 15 minutes to create, but I'm a quick typist.... love to all, Sam.x "her majesty's a pretty nice girl but she doesn't have a lot to say..." - the beatles. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From iaradcliffe at xxx.com Mon May 22 20:20:35 2000 From: iaradcliffe at xxx.com (Iain Radcliffe) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:20:35 BST Subject: Sinister: A movement in your brain sends you out into the rain. Message-ID: <20000522192035.21104.qmail@hotmail.com> Hey kidlets, A few thoughts in no coherent order for no reason other than I wanted to post on Legal Man release day. Just to be controversial, I reckon the titular track is actually the best, although both JIADS and WW are grate and no track is in a similar style! As someone once said, it's a pity that JIADS is not a sequel song with lyrics detailing Judy's graduation from doing it with a boy when she was young and having equine reveries to slapping men called Richard. Lucy Alder and her Meerschweinchen. I have to concur, but would like to throw a "Schraubenschlussel" into the works (or a Spaniard if you're John Lennon). Lucy, you name makes me think of trees for some reason, are you willowy and sylph-like at all? River Man by Nick Drake makes me think of Old Man Willow in Lord of the Rings, and in fact ND would make a grate soundtrack to Tolkien, especially in the forest scenes. But there's also a Bad Alder with a black heart in the old forest...(circular and irrelevant tree digression.) But the Maisonettes are quite pleasing to the eye. (end of content). Right, next victim. Robert "Cat" Smith - glad to hear of your goalkeeping prowess, but since you're a renowned sexual gymnast can we call you Robert "Love Cat" Smith..."into the sea, you and me" Jenowl - can we come en masse and batter the people at your school who desecrate the badges of our clan ? That's like fucking with the Royal Mint (a polo no less). How can they pick on someone so nice and bright ? Imagine how scared of the cardigan sporting Sinister folks they'd be. They all know we're hard 'cos they've seen us drinking from noon until noon again. (I don't wear cardies or anything shiny/sparkly, I'm thinking I might not be die-hard enough). Looking forward to the Embra picnic, I might try to rustle up an acoustic guitar and a nice pair of bongos (ooerr!) but we should have a footie as well like those Lahndan types. After meeting at the Scott Monument, can we repair to the other garden ie. the non-putting green one, 'cos it's nicer - more flowers and pompous statues looking foolish with gulls atop their bonces. Bring as many instruments (however small and outlandish)and booze (see previous parenthesis) as poss. God you're bored of me by now, Cheers folks, A very merry Jarvis to youse all, ken ? xxx P.S. Sorry to hear of the imminent departure of The Narrow Wizard. I've only been here a few weeks and his posts were tip-top. I liked his footnote as well - where's it from ? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glen.mitchell at xxx.com Mon May 22 21:33:28 2000 From: glen.mitchell at xxx.com (Glen) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:33:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: checkspellingattachprioritysignencryptOFFLINE Message-ID: <01ee01bfc42d$f0978ee0$c90578d5@oemcomputer> Hello all you peoples, its been a wee while since I last posted, y'know exams en all. But I decided to make my return on legal day, even though I didn't have enough money to buy the single today. Maybe I'll have enough tomorrow. There's been loads of comments on JIADS, but not WW, what's it like? Anyway over the past few days I've TRIED to revise, but I just can't. HELP ME. oh aye, if anyone remembers me talking about the girl flirting wit me on the beach ages ago, I went to the cinema with her on Sat. The thing is, shes still going out with my mate, we didn't do anything and he knows about it, but she's driving me mental. Other people have commented on the "vibes" she's giving me and I don't know what tod do. BTW I'm not telling you this just to blow my own trumpet, but A) make this post a tad more interesting and B) I need help. I am begging for help. What was the "evil force" stopping our t-shirts? I want to know. c u Glen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jules at xxx.cx Sun May 21 19:46:52 2000 From: jules at xxx.cx (Julie Sauer) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 13:46:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Sinister: Pass the vodka. Message-ID: Hello everyone, and welcome to my illustrious third post. Actually, I've been unsubbed for a week or so while I was not near a computer, but now I'm back. I'm in Moscow. I spent last week in the UK, as some of you already know (because I either stayed with you or terrorized you). Let me tell you, the nightlife in Russia is pretty damned DULL compared to what I experienced on the previous leg of my journey, although the bars here do stay open past 11. Last night Megan and I tried to go dancing, which was disastrous due to an overabundance of beautiful Russian women all dancing with a few skanky men. Anyway, I just got back from the Bolshoi. Funny thing, the ballet. I don't understand why everyone doesn't like the ballet. It's grate. I like it because boys are totally subordinate...they're only around when the girls need their waists held for a particularly spectacular move, or when the characters need a kiss from Prince Ponce. Boys should like it too, though, because you get to spend a few hours looking at pretty girls' panties. It does suck a little for those of us who like boys though, because men in tights are really unattractive, and they can't help looking poncey. Oh, I shouldn't be making fun of the boy ballerinas. They're gymnastic and they have great stamina. I'm sure they're good in bed. During the ballet I got to thinking about propositioning Stu M. (Perhaps in another note tacked to his door) about making a Belle & Sebastian ballet. But I think probably it would be hard to do ballet in corduroy, and the exertion might make it too warm for cardies. I think they pay for net use here by the millisecond or something, so I better go, but I wuv you all and miss many of you immensely. Sarahstarry, smoke a pack of Silk Cuts for me. (They don't have Silk Cuts here...I may have to switch to Sobranies, Morvern Callar's other brand of choice). >From Russia with love, Julie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sanangel22 at xxx.com Mon May 22 01:21:41 2000 From: sanangel22 at xxx.com (Jarrod San Angel) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 17:21:41 PDT Subject: Sinister: Get Out of the Office, & Into the Springtime Message-ID: <20000522002141.8043.qmail@hotmail.com> "Sunshiiiine, On My Shoulderrrr, ...Makes Me Happyyyyyyyy..." - The Late, Great(?) John Denver Bongiorno, Principessas! *********************** How many of you are retail slaves or corporate workhounds? How many of you want to punch the timeclock where you punch in and out and in and out.. each and (seemingly)every live long day? Dreadful, isn't it?Is there any virtue to be found, fellow Sinisterines, in the Dilbert-esque, office cubicle lifestyle? Because that's all I've known for nearly 16 months now, and I fear I'll go absolutely mad if I don't find something worthwhile or redeeming about the work I do. Cold cash in hand and fatty foods in fridge would normally suffice as a relatively good answer, but if you're at all like me, you just can't help but keep your chin rested upon your palm, your sights fixed on what's beyond the glass window, always thinking how sweet life would be, if only it could be lived as the closing lines of Legal Man. "Get Out of the Office, & Into the Springtime, Get Out of the City, & Into the Sunshine.." Ohhh, if only. I'm rambling again. I always am. Well, the new Legal Man single shall be released to the salivating public tomorrow, and the knowledge of that is inspiring a lightness in my heart that I've got to spread. I'm really looking forward to the long walk down to the indie record shoppe, where I'll place my hard (or hardly) earned dollars upon the counter, and then take my prized possession off with me to a nearby teahouse. Like a kiddy at Christmas, I rip the cellophane wrapper off with a fearsome zeal, panting at the thought of what I'll find inside. Slowly I inspect the sleeve, noting minor details like the smell of the ink used to print it all up, and the texture of the paper used. Then comes the cherished moment of sitting back with a cup of Green & Chamomile, reading the sleeve notes and lyrics. A smile as widespread as the music itself blemishes my otherwise humourless face. It's a hallowed, all too rare event. Anyway, I'm currently working through hour number 7 here at the office. I work as an Electronic Support Account Specialist in a Customer Service Call Center for EarthLink Network, Inc., located in good ol' Pasadena, City of Roses. But lo, all is not rosey. I'm begining to resent these four walls with a sickness previously unknown to me. It's not that I'm a lazy soul, just one that needs creative and artistic fulfillment.. and I've just not seen enough of that these months. How many of you, dearest readers, are or have experienced the same thing? How does one get out of a rut like this and not sacrifice job security, financial security, and not anger the wife who wants to buy something nice at the end of the week and have her hair done? Simplify, Simplify. That's what Thoreau says. I'd love to give that a go, but I'm afraid that's what the wife would want me to do, too.. "GO!" =) I suppose I'll just do some job searching and scour the city with resumes galore. That and daydream some more. Perhaps I should become a Legal Man. Tomorrow. To Better Days.... Jarrod San Angel ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rarepleasures at xxx.net Mon May 22 11:52:44 2000 From: rarepleasures at xxx.net (Tony Charles Green) Date: 22 May 00 11:52:44 BST Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian | Kathryn Williams | Cat Power Message-ID: <20000522105244.19051.qmail@nwcst320.netaddress.usa.net> RIOT ON Belle and Sebastian have added their support to anti-capitalist protesters who hit London on May Day according to the crunch bunch... http://www.crunch.co.uk/news/2000/alt/05/18_belleseb_anticap_t.shtml photos of the press conference: http://www.crunch.co.uk/news/2000/alt/05/belleseb/1.shtml LITTLE BLACK NUMBERS Kathryn Williams' new album is supposedly very good. While I can't make out the Belle and Sebastian or Nick Drake comparisons that the press pitch into very profile of her (including this weekends Telegraph) , her voice is sublime. I tell people to try and imagine crystal spring water tumbling through alpine air and her live cover of Leonard Cohens "Hallelujah" always gives me goosebumps. GRAND DAY OUT Lovers of the lo-fi likes of Smog might like to listen to SAVOY GRAND. Their Dirty Pillows EP is a great little intro to them. Love the sideburns too chaps. T. Tony Green rare pleasures Tel (Work): 020 7610 0611 Fax: 020 7610 0622 Tel (Home): 020 8455 7858 Mobile: 07941 253 272 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From guile.tln at xxx.br Mon May 22 22:14:13 2000 From: guile.tln at xxx.br (Guilherme Barrella) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 18:14:13 -0300 Subject: Sinister: checkspellingattachprioritysignencryptOFFLINE References: <01ee01bfc42d$f0978ee0$c90578d5@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3929A325.E1217B57@terra.com.br> Glen wrote: > There's been loads of comments on JIADS, but not WW, what's it like? an "old" b&s song therefore a great song... and stuart david is singing, of course... i think he's my favorite belle... was... anyway, when i listened to this studio version, i had the urge to take a walk in the park holding hands with a beautiful girl that loves me and is loved by me... too bad she's gone. so i stayed at home instead. gui -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Passem suas horas na net com a Winnie Cooper! Site Oficial: http://www.winniecooper.cjb.net MP3s: http://www.mp3.com/winniecooper Webmail Gratuito: http://winniecooper.zzn.com Fã Clube: http://www.terravista.pt/IlhadoMel/5883/ ----------------------------------------------------------- A única gravadora que cometeu a loucura de nos contratar! Slag Records: http://slag.sekure.org ----------------------------------------------------------- A gravadora de coletâneas mais indie do Brasil! 1, 2, 3 Indiezinhos Records: http://www.indiezinhos.cjb.net ----------------------------------------------------------- "Vocês me dão medo" Eduardo Ramos, Slag Records "Quando acabar essa turnê espero realizar meu sonho de ser roadie da Winnie Cooper" Kurt Cobain, roadie do Man Or Astroman? "É sério que na verdade vocês são uma banda de metal?" Pedro Palhares, Superheaven, Charllote's Suit, Blue Afternoon, etc e etc "Eu achava que os Jerssons eram a banda mais retardada da Slag, mas agora estou em dúvida" Eduardo Ramos, Slag Records "Eu queria aparecer na seção de frases da Winnie Cooper" Augusto Olivani, LoFi Zine ----------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lleweth at xxx.com Tue May 23 00:17:08 2000 From: lleweth at xxx.com (Laura Llew) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:17:08 GMT Subject: Sinister: trying to remember to forget... Message-ID: <20000522231708.51624.qmail@hotmail.com> She pulled a pen out of her garter and said let me handle this. Then she cut him with an epigraph and slew him with a word..... Perverse: Mark C-my-ass-a-rot-to (He always leaves us hanging) murmured, �In any case, it's the perfect opportunity to meet all your favorite sinisterines. Apart from the ones who live in North Carolina. Feel free to bring non-sinister people - obviously they'll have to undergo the sinister initiation test, so get that life insurance premium in, but the more the merrier.� Ahh, the reclusive Carolinians who never show their faces. (Well, except for Damo who isn�t reclusive but I hear it isn�t his face that he likes to show.. heh). We could have a North Carolina picnic and it would be such an *event*... In this corner, with the rumpled feathers and twisted beak is Pelicannn Boyyy Rob. *crowd goes wild* And in this corner in a shawl with her crochet hook and strawberry tea we have Laura Llew. *All of Laura�s cats go wild* Refereeing is THE ENFORCER, Damon Seils. I�m sure that nerdy shy pacifist, Blake, would be out picketing the whole event while Melissa Williams was wishing she could come but is too busy in the library being �checked out�. Are you ready to rumble? Self-conscious.: I was able to fenaggle out of work for an itsy bitsy teeny weenie (but sorry no yellow polka dotted bikinis) vacation this weekend to Charleston. No Sinisterines seemed to want to team up with Laura Llew, so I went to a picnic on the beach without you. And it was lovely! There was volleyball! There was soccer! (Sorry, I just can�t call it �football�. It was coed though and just as a warning to everyone... Girls are not delicate out there playing. They�re blood thirsty, mean, vengeful players who show no mercy -- the same way we are in relationships.) I�m sure that no one there has ever heard of Belle and Sebastian but the boys were cute. Who am I to be picky on a sunny Saturday afternoon while frolicking in the waves? Elitist: Anyway, I have decided to become the List Enigma. Normally, you wouldn�t announce to 1200 people that you�re the mystery of the group. It contradicts the whole idea. BUT (Mark, there�s only one t in that word. No need for you to get up.) I�m only going to be that in real life. I�ve had so many failed meetings with other listerines that I�ve decided to give up. So, let the vicious rumors fly about what I�m really like because none of you will ever know! You can say anything about me as long as it isn�t true. Of course, there is no need to settle in on this idea. In a couple of years, I�m sure I�ll be traveling and need someone to stay with. Then, you can all call me a �sell out� and talk of the good ole� days when I refused to even let anyone see who I was and only sent out pictures of Dorothy Parker instead. Unbelievably Naive: Of all the complaints that I�ve heard people make, I still most remain pro- sinister and say that I love the people on this list. For example, Lawrence Mikkelsen who had the extra copy of Mojave 3 a while ago and offered to send it to whoever e-mailed him first for it. It�s not as if he had to do that but it was undeniably generous.* Julie is also a sweetheart by sending out Will Oldman mix tapes to anyone who so desired. (I would have thanked you personally, Julie, but I forgot your e-mail addy and your last name so I don�t know how to get in touch with you. I did really appreciate it though). That�s why I love Sinister because of the people on here. And just so you all know, any time you want to work on becoming a more compassionate, service oriented person - you can send all gifts and such my way. I�m here to help you become a better person because that�s what kind of caring humble girl I am. Stupendously Dull: There was a lot of talk about having a book review on Sinister but as soon as I told everyone they could send it to me & I would post it... *poof* there was nothing. Is anyone still interested? If so, please send things my way. Feather Boa, you should be happy to know that I talked some young impressionable girl into buying �Breakfast At Tiffanys� the other day. A review on that would be most lovely. If you all depend on me, you will be bound to whatever my fancy is at the time. Right now, I�ve been reading a lot of local (western north Carolina) fiction. In fact, I just started taking a class for the summer on Appalachian Culture where the teacher said that he would �read our eyes off�. Sounded like a pick up line to me! Intellectually Insulting: Though I have the legal man mp3, I haven�t been able to listen to it yet. However, I have heard new album. (Hint Hint: This next part is about the new album. If you don�t want to waste time e-mailing about me calling me a Rotten Spoiler then skip to the delete button. You�ve been warned.) I thought the first note of the second song was amazing. So pure and honest. The imagery was amazing.. I could see the figure of the model lounging about in the beams of the sun coming in through the window. The sculptor who cast aside his tools, injuring his assistant who was looking out the window instead of paying attention... I thought the second word of the first song was a bit disappointing. The �I� seemed a bit weak and fragile to lead into such a strong second word. I don�t know what Struan was thinking.... Um, ok so I won�t give you a play by play account of my opinion of the entire album. Overall, I really like it. �Family Tree� is me perfectly ... without the wispy voice. Intensely Irritating: I heard another Looper song on the television. This time it as �Burning Flies� on MTV�s biorhythms of Beck. Appallingly Dishonest: Does anyone want to cut my career as an enigma short and adopt me? I live in a madhouse but I don�t have enough money to move out on my own. �I�m eligible, but not too stupid. Intelligible, cute as cupid. Knowledgeable but not always right. Salvageable and free for the night.� Of course being cute as cupid isn�t saying too much. He�s a chubby guy in diapers which makes him equally attractive as Drew Carey. Anyway, I�m quite tidy. I write way more than I talk. And beside the more than occasional snide comment, I�m actually quite nice. Any takers? heh. black leather and chains, (You abuse the list your way. I�ll abuse it mine). Laura �Being unbelievably naive, appallingly dishonest, stupendously dull, intellectually insulting, elitist, perverse, self-conscious, petulant, and intensely irritating since 1977� * See, I can say nice things about people who aren�t single! ****Laura Llew�s List Member of The Week**** This goes out to the lovely lass who though her mind was tormented with the stress of finals was able to send out a post with not only one but TWO Twin Peaks references. Though her latest entry might have been full of talk of men in tight tights she�s a doll. So, it all goes out to ................ Julie Sauer (Cyberglam).................. �Fellows, don't drink that coffee! You'd never guess. There was a fish IN the percolator!� ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kpc98c at xxx.UK Tue May 23 01:40:43 2000 From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 01:40:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: we mend the pager Message-ID: <200005230040.BAA16914@missprint.org> Hello, I was an Idiot with a capital i on Sunday.. for some freak and bizarre reason I thought that's when Regal Nan comes out, so I went to HMV and followed the saddo girlies to the Singles charts section waiting to get my hands on the Queen Mum herself, only to find the boobies of Billie "I have just learnt about surnames in my school" Piper.. ah well. Today I had two exams on the same day, so no Legan Man buying for me :-( all I had for my Legan Man kick was the recording on the computer of that Jo Whiley's bit.. I had to make up the start bit by some nasty Ken singing then play the actual bit afterwards.. the ending of legal man is grate I just wish they carry on singing "get out of the office and into the springtime" forever. Still haven't heard Judy is a stick stab or Wimper Wussy yet, tomorrow I'm going to get the CDs first thing I think, as I have absolutely no exams until next Tuesday, so tomorrow night is a case of drinking loads, listening to legal man even more loads and getting out of the office and into the PUB!!!! Laura said: "I've had so many failed meetings with other listerines that I've decided to give up. So, let the vicious rumors fly about what I'm really like because none of you will never know! You can say anything about me as long as it isn't true." Laura's head is made of Caciocavallo cheese, which explains the smell that she sometimes emits when the sun is shrining bright and her head melts, which also explains why she's so grate! :-) Iain said: "A very merry Jarvis to youse all, ken ?" Thanks, last time I was in Edinburgh I was really popular for some reason everyone I walked past greeted me kindly.. which is nice, not as nice as REM though who named one of their songs after me. (Michael Stipe has a really short memory though cos I frequently tell him what it was but he kept asking.) I want to listen to winter wooskie. I'll lend my luck to everyone who has exams, until next Tues when I need it back, bye!!!! Cool guitars and red bulls! Ken ====================================================================== Get out of the city and into the sunshrine Get out of the office and into the springtime Get out of the city and into the sunshrine Get out of the office and into the springtime!!!! - Belle & Sebastian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jnikolaeff at xxx.au Tue May 23 02:50:49 2000 From: jnikolaeff at xxx.au (Juliya Nikolaeff) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:20:49 +0930 Subject: Sinister: Fold your hands child... Message-ID: <01BFC4A8.F3AFD580.jnikolaeff@nexus.edu.au> Oh my god - the wrong girl is on the radio. Oh my god. I think I'm in love. Juliya Nikolaeff Accounting Services 7th Floor, 31 Flinders St Adelaide SA 5000 ph: (08) 8226 3313 fax: (08) 8359 3202 jnikolaeff at nexus.edu.au +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jnikolaeff at xxx.au Tue May 23 02:56:13 2000 From: jnikolaeff at xxx.au (Juliya Nikolaeff) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:26:13 +0930 Subject: Sinister: again, the wrong album? Message-ID: <01BFC4A9.B4738550.jnikolaeff@nexus.edu.au> Sorry I can't help myself but bore you this morning, but Francis Leach on JJJ just told me after playing "the wrong girl" that "Fold your hands..." is now officially out. This can't be true, can it? I am inclined to believe every word Francis says, as he is a god in his own right, but I honestly didn't think it was yet. Maybe this will explain why I can't get Legal Man yet. Please let me know. Cheers Juliya Nikolaeff Accounting Services 7th Floor, 31 Flinders St Adelaide SA 5000 ph: (08) 8226 3313 fax: (08) 8359 3202 jnikolaeff at nexus.edu.au +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From aconover at xxx.net Tue May 23 03:58:52 2000 From: aconover at xxx.net (adam apparatus) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:58:52 -0400 Subject: Sinister: bard bard bard bard bard Message-ID: <200005230232.WAA03373@s1.optonline.net> i know i asked this before, but i think no one responded, and there were people in dublin that didn't respond when i asked about that... so, here's the question: are there any sinister listees at Bard College (US)? i'm going to be attending next year, and i wanted to make some connections... thanks, dears! - adam aconover at optonline.net Tempus Fugit is at: http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~conover/tempus/main.html +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From littlearsonist at xxx.com Tue May 23 04:14:02 2000 From: littlearsonist at xxx.com (marie elia) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: she'd overdosed on magazines Message-ID: <20000523031402.18041.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> dearest sinisterites. laurallew and julie both posting in one day?! i'm inspired! right so... blah blah legal man blah blah. and i fookin' Luv winter wooskie and if anyone disagrees they gots Me to deal with, okay? i think i've said that before. but i'll say it again. there. content. enjoy. so on national twee picnic day, when y'all were eating sandwiches or crisps and getting sloshed in pubs and dancing the night away, i was in loverly boston, signing a lease which binds me to pay rent for the next year or so. which means, i need a job. since i was an english major, this means i'll be whoring myself at an ad agency or some such place. or asking if you'd "like fries with that." who are the boston listees, eh? give a shout out! especially cambridge area ones. right right. so miss julie and miss megan are galavanting away in europe... props for the post card, dears! and honey, too! for yr lil milkmaid-love message ;) it was a milkmaid day! what with laura appearing and all. laura, dear, i believe that honey once mentioned KNITTING needles in a post a while back. are you ready to rile up the crocheting troops and rough up the knitters a bit?? hookers unite! okay, on a somber note.... at the request of the divine miss scarlet, this press release is hereby, erm, released: _____________________________________ "Erica would like to issue the following Statement" 'Hello peeps, I feel a bit bad, as this is rather like leaving a note on the Kitchen table - I've left the list. Resisting the urge to leave on bad terms, I can only say Sinister has done so much for me, I would never fault it, it gave me confidence, but was also quick to take it away again. I'm sure some of you will see me around, and I know I'll poke my head around the door again, but for now, I'm just going to go, because I'm not staying. If you'd like to contact me, my address is macarthur at btinternet.com. Scarlet, signing off, Love, Erica x _____________________________________ /me bows her head for a moment of silence. i'll miss yr sparkly kitten-heeled posts Immensely, dear. but erica does make almost- daily appearances in #sinister, as should all of you. so get out of the office, and into the chat room, y'all. erm, props and shout outs to mark c. just cuz. and my usual beckoning to lesley jo to make an appearance, damnit. and mad lovins to all new people because i bet you're all sweet and wonderful. oh, and jared, get off yr striped- trousered arse and post something. and i have to say, without going into detail i guess because i wouldn't do it justice, but a while ago the duke wrote a post called "getting old and losing threads," and it was very long, but i read it a few times, and i thought about it all day long. i don't know what i finally thought, but it made me think a lot, and i think that's good. go back and read it. crikey this post was crap. oh oh! i'd almost forgotten.... Ree's Alcoholic Lesson #23: (having just recently experience my last week of college, i have many lessons to share).... 1) 3 whiskeys, 2 scotches, and some beer in the course of 2 hours will make you vom. especially if you are a vegetarian and happen to *accidentally* in yr drunken stupor eat meat. 2) wine before hard alcohol allows you to drink more and eases the vom factor. 3) it's bad news to start ordering 2 drinks at a time just because you have trouble getting the bartender's attention. 4) you know you're an alcoholic when yr fave bartender includes you on his guest list for a party he has for his "regulars." right right. give you my lovin, seven days a week... i'll be a honey, if you'll be sweet... xoxo, ree ===== *********************************************************** "to me she was just marie." -mersault "hearts don't break/ the division is innate" -secret stars | eliam at alleg.edu | littlearsonist at yahoo.com | *********************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.edu Tue May 23 04:22:21 2000 From: ynoh at xxx.edu (Youn J. Noh) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: my voice! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi there Sinister & Peculiarly Deranged Split-Personality Martian Alice, > i wasn't insulted. the person who wrote it quotes oasis, ocs and the > stereophonics as their favourite bands. ... admittedly, a tenuous link to the following ... It has come to my attention that Andy Bell has joined Oasis as their bass player. I know this news is over 6 months old and has nothing to do with Belle and Sebastian, but it just came to my attention recently and I cannae join the vapourtrail list now that Ride has vanished. I must get my anguish out somewhere! I believe someone commented on this earlier but I didn't have the proper context to make sense of the remark. In reexamining the press for Ride on the internet, I realized that Andy was not just the pretty one. Depending on whether the reporter just cared about looks and charisma or had spitefully decided that that was the sure mark of lack of talent, Andy was the hero or the villain. But really there was neither - as usual, besides which the evidence for deciding the question was all wrong. Andy wrote some of my favorite Ride songs, i.e. Like a Daydream and Vapour Trail. And I never even saw them live, and Ride is, was the kind of band where it would make a difference. And now he's a bass player! For Oasis! Something funny about reading old press though. People really aspired to rock god status. Now hardly anyone - the reporters, the bands, the fans - can take it seriously anymore. Rock music videos. Remember Ian in The Cutter? That polo shirt buttoned all the way to the top - the origin of office boy chic? Nah, you're all too young. I giggle whenever someone makes a joke in class about people taking drugs. What if people think it's cos I take them? I had better stop. Well my copy of Legal Man finally arrived. I think it's a good new direction for them to take. I like the fact that they're delving again into electronic music. The person who analyzed the components of Judy is a Dick Slap was very clever. I don't get any of your references, but I understand what you mean. Early electronic music was really cool. I got Autobahn by Kraftwerk recently and it's lovely. And it's over 22 minutes long, and perfectly fine as long as it is. I think with electronic music, the song has to be long enough for you to lose track of beginnings and ends, and repetition with variation can be interesting if it's random and unexpected. Whereas guitar-based songs should be loud and fast and short, except Ride is the perfect counterexample to this. And it's interesting for Stuart to try out different vocal styles, even though he always sounds the same! Yours, Youn +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walkn10 at xxx.com Tue May 23 04:59:16 2000 From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:59:16 EDT Subject: Sinister: "I once had a dream so I packed up and split for the city... Message-ID: <66.3e11bed.265b5c14@aol.com> ...I soon found out that my lonely life wasn't so pretty" Inspired by Youn's last post, and since I have a bit of money coming my way, I was thinking about delving into the Kraftwerk catalogue...any ideas where to start? Email me privately if'n you've any tips. Speaking of money and capitalism, I'm gearing up to have it out the money establishment (read: my old boss) about being re-hired at my old record store at a higher pay. I've been reading Marx and Engels and Woody Guthrie all spring so I'm quite primed to enter into an ideological debate on the rightness of my cause; however it'll probably go something like this: Me: Greg, I want to come back to work here, but since I now have a car payment to make I need more money. It's not morally correct for this company to make so much profit yet leave its employees in such abject poverty. Where does this money go, and doesn't my hard-working approach to salesman ship ensure these profits continue to come in (and increase yearly)? [growing slight louder, less composed, voice beginning to crack] Why am I not entitled to more money than the owner who merely fills out forms and smokes weed for a living? Last time he came here he locked his keys in his car! I'm on the firing line selling Cds like they're going out of style...FOR MINIMUM WAGE! I CAN'T BUY A BREAK FOR THIS FUCKING WAGE!!! I WON'T SETTLE FOR THAT! HAVE YOU EVER BEEN MADE TO HAWK HANSON'S BACK CATALOGUE TO 40-YEAR OLD GUYS WEARING BRITNEY SPEARS TEES FOR POCKET CHANGE?! IN THE INTEREST OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, THE INTEREST OF EVOLUTION, IN THE INTEREST OF MANKIND, YOU SHOULD FEEL OBLIGATED TO... Greg: Fuck you...no. Me: :ahem:..When do I start? I hope it goes slightly better than that, but we'll see. I have confidence and righteousness on my side, so I better act fast before it dries up in my summertime apathy. Sorry to see Erica go, but she really left in a nice way. If a girl were to ever leave you in the night, I'd like for her parting line to be "I'm leaving because I can't stay." That way, its at least poetic as opposed to "I can't stand your stank ass anymore...go to hell." That takes the mystery out of it all...in a very painful fashion I might add. So cheers Erica for exiting with class and poetry... What the fuck has happened to Keifer Sutherland? This man kick too much ass to just disappear like he has. To all who finished exams this weekend...let the good times roll. Summer hath reared its drunken head...off to celebrate Steve C. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* "Which Paul?" "BLAH!" visit http://callowkids.tripod.com or your crush will hate you forever +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vrider at xxx.net Tue May 23 05:37:02 2000 From: vrider at xxx.net (Vicki Rider) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:37:02 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Is This The Way The Future's Meant To Feel? Message-ID: <004301bfc470$8e6f3fe0$57d6e13f@compaq> Hello-- Yet another fresh-faced kid just arrived from the nursery, so before I begin telling you one of the great injustices of living in Phoenix some basic info about myself.-> My name is Rachel, and I discovered B+S a little over a year ago (all you old timers pipe down), after my sister (starving artist in NYC type) reccommended TBWTAS to me. I fell in love with the title track and since then I've been smitten. I'm in high school, my first day of exams was today but they were pretty relaxed and groovy so I'm grateful. My favorite track off the new Looper album is "Puddle Monkey"--I wish it was longer. I just saw Stereolab on Saturday and they were fabulous; and Looper w/ The Flaming Lips on April 1, which was beyond superb--I'm still picking confetti out of my clothing. I also enjoy the music of Blur (because they realized they were s***ing out so they released 13), The Velvet Underground (because Waldo Jeffers had reached his limit), and The Smiths (of course!!), to name a few. The Trial is my favorite movie, because in it Tony Perkins looks like a frightened spider monkey. The great injustice of living in the Phoenix area--Legal Man isn't out until Friday!! :-(( That and the fact that it was 109 degrees today. Has anyone noticed that: * At certain times (especially when singing the chorus), Stuart M sounds a little like Nico? * The titles to B+S albums are getting longer? ( 1 word, 4 words, 6 words, 9 words) * Mike Love really is the devil? Another thought that's keeping me awake--> "Is Morrissey lonely?" I keep picturing him in some giant echo-y house in LA, wandering from room to room and finally getting bored and switching on his big screen TV, a tear trickling down his eye because this is the third day in a row nobody's phoned him. Maybe it's just me. But I think I need to go find a handkercheif anyway.......... (sorry this post was longer than intended, and not as B+S related as it could've been. I'll try harder next time.) Ciao! Rachel W. :-) "I talk to myself a lot but it bothers people because I use a megaphone." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Tue May 23 06:47:10 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:47:10 +1200 Subject: Sinister: NME ( a week late .... I know, I know ....) Message-ID: <004b01bfc47a$6cc3f8e0$346137d2@computer> ***anal, trainspottery question which took far less than 15 minutes to compose.*** My copy of "Legal Man" is an American one, and in the inner sleeve, amongst all the stuff on the desk, is a calander with "16" on it. Now ... Legal Man came out on the 16th in the US. What I want to know, fellow listees, is whether the UK one as "22" in the picture, after its release date. Oh I am sooooooooo sad. ***NME*** Finally got last weeks NME. Very dull article, but nice picture of Stuart on the cover. Actually - I can hardly see how they can justify calling it an interview at all. It was just Stuart calling Mr Wells to clarify his points from the press conference. Anyway ... at least Mr Wells referred to himself as a hack. That's one less thing I have to say. I guess what I found insulting was the implication that bands HAVE to make a political statement. He mentioned the Mekons, and how a concert from them was a lesson in feminisation. semiotics or something or other. Now, I've never seen B&S live, but listening their music gives me a lesson in love, and beauty etc. etc. Politics isn't the only important thing in life. Sure ... if Stuart Murdoch was a Nazi I wouldn't listen to B&S, but Mr Gillespie (the apparent peak of all things great about rock'n'roll according to the NME) has dodgy politics at best. "I take drugs as a political statement" for example. errrrrrrrr .... what? I don't think that speed you take is made on a nice collective farm run by vegetarian feminists, Bobby. The way things stand at the moment (and I'm not going to debate drug law here) is that drugs are the product of crime, and people who deal in that sort of thing stand a good chance of being hurt. For every speed taking pop star there is some solo-mum junkie prostitute degrading herself trying to make a living and feed her habit. You're talking shit pal. And didn't you like how they called us an "inarticulate and self-satisfied fan base". Some of the best prose I have evr read has been found in these wonderful digests. ***Thanks for the plug, Laura - love you too*** Take care kids ..... Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme THIS MANCHINE KILLS THE NME +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ryannanbi at xxx.com Tue May 23 06:49:25 2000 From: Ryannanbi at xxx.com (Ryannanbi at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 01:49:25 EDT Subject: Sinister: favor Message-ID: <4c.5d335ef.265b75e5@aol.com> Ohnestly, you can probably give her anything, because ive been drinking so much... anything(maybe me and the major) sorry about the 15 minures thing ,if it still applies...its just a simple answer to a smpler question hugs and jkisses, ryan p.s. i also wanted the list to know what song most got me into belle and sebastian before i went crazy for them. p.p.s. did i mention ive had an extreme amount to dink? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From littlearsonist at xxx.com Tue May 23 07:13:08 2000 From: littlearsonist at xxx.com (marie elia) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: yes, virginia, there is a jenowl Message-ID: <20000523061308.9554.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> right, two posts in two hours. but i just wanted to say how happy i am to find out that jenowl is indeed Real, because i love her posts to bits. keep up the good work, girl! work up that alcohol tolerance!! xoxo, ree ps ... thanks to the new crushvoter ;) ===== *********************************************************** "to me she was just marie." -mersault "hearts don't break/ the division is innate" -secret stars | eliam at alleg.edu | littlearsonist at yahoo.com | *********************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From brideofduck at xxx.uk Tue May 23 10:27:01 2000 From: brideofduck at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Kate=20Connolly?=) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:27:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: A bit of fury (but all on topic) Message-ID: <20000523092701.29170.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Having just been released from the nursery (rah!) I think I should just unleash all the bile that's been building up over the last week. But it's all B & S related, so hopefully Honey won't slap me. The NME thing...tchuh! Talk about a fantastic opportunity wasted! The ironic thing about it all was that in God knows however many words Steven Wells used, he summed up exactly why the band have been reluctant to speak to the press for so long. And rightly so! God, the bit when he wrote "Forget the music (I've never liked it)" !!! O.K, so it's funny when they do this to some boy band or whatever, but B & S don't care, and if you get someone along who has no time or respect for a band like B & S it's just sad... But we all bought the rag, didn't we? Ooooh, this makes me angry... 2000 Troubled Teens was nice on Saturday night, and congrats to Florence for winning the plasticine competition. Anyone happen to know if a rickety plasticine dog on wheels mounted on a huge plasticine penis came second or third? 'Cos that took me and Nic ages to do, and a lot of arguing ensued.. but anyway. This hasn't taken me 15 minutes to type, but it won't have taken you 15 minutes to read either, so all things in moderation I suppose... love to you all, kate x ===== "Now's the time to deal with the fear of rejection. No one gets through life without being hurt." ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Tue May 23 12:19:35 2000 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:19:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: The crumbs she throws you Message-ID: Caros/as mios/as: Do you think Laura Llew's would allow me to make use of her idea of becoming enigmatic and not exposing herself any longer in live flesh to other list-fellows?Laura,I will pay you the copyright,promise! Laura's backlash against the proverbial shyness of N.C.'s inhabitants seems very suitable to paliate my late over-exposure in Sinister's pubs,picnics and symposiums.I will start sending pictures of Greta Garbo to next events instead of turning up myself.She could handle Silk Cuts much better than I do, though her shoegazer dancing routines maybe are not that lively.And Andy Bell would just enter history textbooks as Oasis'bassist, how cruel. Congratulations to Florence, whose name is beautiful,too Victorian and magnificent to my eyes to have been chosen by 'parents' ,subsequently made a fool of myself.And Lucy Alder is in fact tall,and elegant and statuesque, and I met her in a park,but careful, she is a hard-drinking,red-shoed smart lady, not a birch or an ash. On Stevie Jackson's now open confessions on how much he would like to share stage with Britney Spears, is someone out there who knows who buys singles as 'I need a miracle' or that terrible Number one with a fake tan,plasticky woman wearing an old curtain as miniskirt?I don't.That is a huge enigma to me.Teenagers accuse grown-ups (that's it, anyone older than 23),mid-twenties accuse young professionals, and thirtysomethings point children.They are the ENEMY.And they are out,somewhere... Sighing standofflishly Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jnikolaeff at xxx.au Tue May 23 02:40:10 2000 From: jnikolaeff at xxx.au (Juliya Nikolaeff) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:10:10 +0930 Subject: Sinister: legal man in the southern hemisphere Message-ID: <01BFC4A7.77CF9AA0.jnikolaeff@nexus.edu.au> ***LEGAL MAN*** I got "Legal Man" today - quite a surprise. I went into the local record store and saw it on the shelf ... [] CRAPPP!!!! I went to Big Star on Friday and Legal Man is STILL not available in Australia. Nor do they think it will be any time soon. CRAP. That is how crap we are here. Thanks for making me really cross this morning. JuliyaXXxX PS Congratulations to the Career Girls on winning Best Songwriter(s) at the South Australian Music Industry Awards (SAMIA's). If you would like to have a little listen, please check in to: http://www.angelfire.com/ok/careergirls/index.html "I always cry in movies, doesn't take that much to move me." - Career Girls +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From secretmysterydate at xxx.com Tue May 23 02:56:55 2000 From: secretmysterydate at xxx.com (brand new shoes) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 21:56:55 EDT Subject: Sinister: bye for a while Message-ID: <20000523015655.5976.qmail@hotmail.com> okay everyone i am off to go to london soon so i am unsubscribing i will miss you all i will be back in two monthes miss me, kay? i'll take tons of pictures love, sam ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Tue May 23 12:21:34 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:21:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Humourless post about the new single Message-ID: <802568E8.003F61D5.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> *Sigh* So many happy kids around. Me the grump. My flatmate's commentary last night: The single goes on - "This doesn't sound like Belle & Sebastian" 'Judy is a Dick Slap' starts - "Get your motor running / Head off to the highway' The CD spins to a halt - "Well, it doesn't make me want to put it on again and again, like they usually do". No, it doesn't. After the second listen I just couldn't find the will to put it on again. Listened to 'Sound Affects' instead. Then I copied it onto the end of a minidisc and planned to listen to it in bed. But I just got more and more wrapped up in 'The Virgin Suicides' and really didn't want to spoil things. I'm becoming more and more obsessed with that album. Try reading the novel with it on your headphones. Yes, 'Legal Man' is different. There's sod-all personality in it that I can find. I wouldn't fall in love with this band on the basis of this single. Retro retro retro. It's them listening to Andy Symington or whoever's records and pretending they're just loosening up and having a laugh when it's really the most studied thing they've ever done. Bollocks to it. It *is* the bloody Boo Radleys doing 'Wake Up Boo'. I was actually looking forward most to 'Winter Wooskie'. But blow me if they haven't cocked that up with a plodding chugga-chugga beat in place of the flow of the live version. The limitations of Stuart D's voice are painfully exposed too. This is just one single. It's not a reliable indication of the band's future direction. But for the first time, I feel like I've bought a record of theirs because it's a Belle & Sebastian single and not because I really want to own it for itself. And that makes me sad. Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From shop at xxx.net Tue May 23 09:47:33 2000 From: shop at xxx.net (Katrina House) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:47:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: legal man sleeve References: <200005220206.DAA09222@missprint.org> Message-ID: <000301bfc497$7ed29920$e14aa8c2@pricelessoem> hello again, > From: "David Moore" > Another question ... ... who is the person in the framed photo on the cover art? the man in the frame on the 'legal man' sleeve is the band's legal man - ie lawyer - Mr Robert White. and a shameless plug - sorry honey ... there'll be new t-shirt designs + mugs + even a never done before b&s sew-on patch available hopefully from tomorrow if i can get mick to come in this afternoon and help me redesign it all. cheers, katrina. banchory merchandising ltd. e-mail: shop at banchory.net po box 25074 glasgow g2 6yl scotland http://www.banchory.net +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Tue May 23 11:29:24 2000 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:29:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Charlton Heston's gun-themed restaurant Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E22DB3C07@SERVER1> Darling sinister, Here's a tuppence-coloured postlet from the wastes of post-picnic banality (am I sounding like Steady Mike yet?). Legal Man is a wee gem, isn't it? I think its tops, and will be number ELEVEN in the UK charts come Sunday. I personally guarantee it. EGADS is a trickier bunch of grapes. I had to give it the "would I buy this if it was on the radio by some band I'd never heard of?" treatment, and thanks to my love for early Stereolab (Lo Boob Oscillator anyone?), yes I would. I would even buy it if it were by Muse, who Steven Wells thinks are the future of music. So no complaints there. Winter Whoopsie, however - well, it's nice, but... Stevie is turning into a grown-up songwriter, but StuD, bless him, can't really manage it. Snippets, yes, concept albums, better than most, but I'm coming round to Miss Vicky's argument that anyone who's allowed a solo career shouldn't get mediocre songs on records by BELLE AND SEBASTIAN. I'm not crying over the demise of Paper Boat - perhaps that'll be on Anthology II... /me tussles with ree. ree wins with a technical knockout. /me needs someone to dab his wounds. For what it's worth, I bought Legal Man in HMV yesterday and both the new release shelves and the regular B&S section were almost out of the CD. This is a good thing. I hope. Can people stop mentioning the 15 minute thing? It was an arbitrary choice - just think about what you're writing and it'll be fine. Va ben'? I also have a sinister t-shirt suggestion. If you want one, why not make one yourself? I have an awful feeling that sinister's detractors would have a field day with us all lumbering round in identikit shirts. When I were a lad, etc., my fellow faith healers fans and I used to make our own ridiculous amateur shirts with that sort of gluey fabric pen stuff - anyone with a modicum of imagination would come up with something special. Nowadays we've all got computers anyway, so it's hardly difficult, but it's such a good opportunity to expel your creative juices. Hmmm. Anyone sinistah going to the Magnetic Fields on the 25th July in London? Tickets still available (as of yesterday, anyway) - come and meet list doyenne Starry Sarah, willowy and sylph-like ladylike Lucy, the divine miss V and big gay me. I want to go to the Edinburgh picnic Laura Llew, why are you harassing me? What is it about my arse? Is it too big? I knew it was too big! Rachel W. said: "Waldo Jeffers had reached his limit" And thereby became my nomination for listee of the year. God, I'd forgotten how good that song is! "it was now late August, and all he had to show for it were three dog-eared letters and two very expensive long distance phone calls". Is that right? Ooh! Yes it's self-indulgent, but hell, if the unashamed love of great music is self-indulgent, then I'm going to indulge. Myself. Um. Rachel also said that Stuart sounds like Nico. Well, on 's tape tree tape there's a Nico song with, spookily, the chorus from "If you're feeling sinister". Can anyone tell me what this song is? My favourite thing about Nico is the way she says clown as claun (imagine German accent). London picnic was fun. Liz Daplyn was there, how could it have been anything else. No courgettes though. Christ, I'm shit at football. Not bad at pole dancing, though. Mark xxx ******************************************************************* The contents of this e mail from HIT Entertainment PLC are confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy or further distribute this e mail; please notify us by telephone on 020 7224 1717, and delete the e mail from your computer. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rob_brennan at xxx.uk Tue May 23 12:52:31 2000 From: rob_brennan at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Brennan?=) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:52:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Consumer Monkey Message-ID: <20000523115231.29011.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Full time jobs don't leave much time for shopping unfortunately so Legal Man is not yet in my grubby paws. All the positive vibes about the single are making me drool uncontrollably so I hope I get hold of it before it sells out - oh hang on we established B&S wouldn't do that didn't we... (half-hearted rim shot.. muted laughter) Nothing to say about the NME article. I've not read it since they started employing five-year olds to write the thing anyway. ...the lovely Laura Llew stepped up to the mike, paused to absorb the applause of the crowd and sang: "I have decided to become the List Enigma..." I spent a couple of years as an enigma. It's great if you're in a band but doesn't score you many points in job interviews or exams. Unless you meant you were going to be a WWII encryption machine in which case it would be even worse if it took half an hour to decode everything you said. ...Rachel grabbed the mike, looked the crowd in every single one of its eyes and said: "Another thought that's keeping me awake--> "Is Morrissey lonely?" I keep picturing him in some giant echo-y house in LA, wandering from room to room and finally getting bored and switching on his big screen TV, a tear trickling down his eye because this is the third day in a row nobody's phoned him." That's funny, I keep picturing Morrissey getting a load of mates round his house, sinking a few beers, watching the porn channels on cable and tucking into a nice juicy steak saying "Mmmm... meat is marvellous" Sorry. Robster ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From velocity_girl_is at xxx.uk Tue May 23 13:11:24 2000 From: velocity_girl_is at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?velocity=20farewell?=) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:11:24 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: ThiS AnGrY SiLeNcE... Message-ID: <20000523121124.8751.qmail@web3005.mail.yahoo.com> Hello JaM TaRts... well... I woke up from a long, deep sleep behind the tigermilk poster... I realised that George Henry found me sleeping there, I woke up as he entered my hidaway, but I pretended I was still asleep... mmmm as he walked out of the room I fell asleep again... I woke up today...As I felt something on my lips... something like... ButtErFLy KiSsEs... I've noticed I was holding a half-eaten ham sangwich... I threw it away... got up and stretched a bit... took a glimpse outside the jeepster window and decided that it was time for me to set off for new adventures... so, I folded my hands and started walking... mind you, sleeping behind a jeepster poster is rather uncomfortable... so... I set off to one of the most peculiar journeys... While I was walking I met this cutie, Genevieve, who came to me and whispered in my ear... "football"... and... > And the girls can wear hotpants and tight > t-shirts,with some sort of clever slogan on the > front.I'm sorry,I blame this all on the alluring > Velocity..she's got me all a titter with talk of girl > Sinister FC taking on the boys. YeS!! by all means... and when we say by all means we mean it... Alasdair is the main threat... after thinking and re-thing about it, we decided that the whole girls team should fall on top of Ally to distract him... don't look at me, I said to Pookaloops... I'll be the GoAL-KeePeR... I'll just lie down on the lawn, painting my toe nails with cherry red nail polish... then, I left Pookaloops contemplating on the advantages and disadvantages of tight tees and hot pants... and started walking again... as I was walking through a meadow... I saw something sparkling under the sun... it was red and it shone as a lighthouse in the prairie... I approached... what the hell was that? I should have reminded myself that red=danger... as I went closer I realised it was a boy... mmm... with ginger hair... "give me your money", he shouted... "so I can buy toothbrush shaped lighters.." so I gave him the money and he made some greek coffee for me in return... I left the GiNgEr CrOOk standing in the prairie with his hair shining under the sun, attracting innocent passers by... then... as I went to a hotel to get some rest and have a shower I saw this boy who was eating a toast... it was weird as the toast was like two slices of bread and in between it had melted cheese and ham... "can I have a bite?" I asked... and he said "yer, go ahead.."... so we became friends and decided to look after each other and have loads and loads of toast... I left the toast boy and started walking again... I heard voices... angry voices... there was a guy holding a pirate copy of the new B&S album screaming at me... he was wearing one of these eye-pads pirates wear... he could see only from his left eye... I got really angry myself as he made me sit down on the ground whilst he was explaining to me how he stole away all these songs and tried to persuade me how people misunderstood him and that he was a democrat with liberal ideas of equality and free-speech... mmm... I said "I don't believe in DeMo-N-cRaCy... and I left him alone ranting on... I could still hear his voice as I was walking away... Suddenly... I smelled something... I felt the sea breeze on my face... I ran... and fell on a boy... he looked at me totally gobsmacked and said "I want to make you happy..." I replied "I'm scared of you... I don't know you..." ... but then he gave me butterfly kisses and I knew it was him who woke me up from my deep long sleep behind the tigermilk poster... I held his hand and walked with him... he had a sweet voice... one of these voices that make your heart longing for things... As we were walking we saw a boy running towards us playing with a football at the same time... "could that be..." we wondered... and yes... we smiled... it was ALLy CiNNaMoN... and we started singing to him... "Before Ally I was never happy..." But with a sudden move of his hand he made us stop... "Vel you promised me a dress to wear in our next footie match..." mmm... so I opened my Sport Billy bag and handed him a dress... he was happy as the dress fit him and he looked so cute... it even suits his nail polish... so, he left us, jumped on a space hopper in his dress screaming whilst we were greeting him singing... "Ally Cinnamon you are my world..." We started walking again... and all of a sudden we smelled... mmm cookies... we saw honeymummy standing in front of an oven baking... mmm cookies... we ran to her and gave her a bum hug... leaning our heads on her apron... we were drifting off smiling happily as she said... "welcome back kiddies...after all... SiNiStEr is WheRe wE LiVe..." <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< that's all for now... so long indeed that post was... sorry... but I had to share all these with you... take care... Vel ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Tue May 23 13:23:12 2000 From: ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:23:12 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Dick? Slap? Message-ID: <392A8640.15280.19608A@localhost> Hello I thought I'd poke my head in for a few thoughts on Legal Man. Well, reading all the comments on the list, from the glowing to the glowering, I think that in a way, I agree with all of them. Legal Man itself is okay, although off the single I like JIADS better, and Winter Wooskie's okay too, but it's all a little too, well, orchestrated. I don't think that B+S would be better if they couldn't play their instruments or anything like that, but when I used to be in a brass band, our conductor always used to tell us to imagine we were playing a piece for the first time, and Legal Man sounds like it's being played for the last time in a long day, when the whole band would rather go down the chip shop. Judy Is A Dick Slap is good, though, lots of synthesisers. But Legal Man is a little self conscious. Get out of the office? I think B+S should get out of the studio and back into the church hall. From the sleeve, it looks like The Loneliness Of A Middle Distance Runner will be the next single, and I love this song to bits, so I hope it's a good recording. A girl outside my window has just had her umbrella blown inside out. It's raining, but I have to go to my exam. Bye Robin xxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Tue May 23 14:17:46 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:17:46 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Dick? Slap? Message-ID: <802568E8.004A0409.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> > From the sleeve, it looks like The Loneliness Of A Middle >Distance Runner will be the next single, and I love this song to bits, >so I hope it's a good recording. Check the date on the letter, Robin. October 1998. But yes, I really hope it's going to come out anyway. It's having songs like this on tape that makes being a B&S track-grubber worthwhile. TWO AND A HALF YEARS I'VE HAD THAT SONG and it still sounds as fresh as ever. My sister heard it and made me insist I made a tape of it for her. The thing is, they haven't had a chart-eligible single since Autumn 1997. They are now popular enough for any single of theirs to make a BIG CHART IMPACT, so for me it's a real shame that it's happening with 'Legal Man'. If a whole bunch of people got their first taste of the band through a song as strong as 'Loneliness of the Middle Distance Runner' I'd be over the moon. Call me naive, but I daydream about people hearing that song on the radio or seeing it on TOTP and them falling in love with it. People who have never heard of Belle & Sebastian before. People who 'never normally listen to that sort of thing'. It really mattering. I think it could have happened. Now they'll be forever thought of as 'the band that did that Sixties style song'. Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lucy.alder at xxx.uk Tue May 23 14:35:27 2000 From: lucy.alder at xxx.uk (Alder, Lucy) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 14:35:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Looking for adventure, or whatever comes our way Message-ID: <1EC8C16BC185D311ACB90008C7C563F3353501@gblon1c3ex1.wcom.co.uk> Nick Dastoor, you stole what I was going to say! I can't listen to the beginning of Dickslap without picturing Peter Fonda and Dennis Hopper riding along under a blue sky, engines throbbing between their legs. Vroom! As for the rest of what you said, I'm going to be typically wishy-washy and say that it's horses for courses, but I'll probably annoy the crap out of you by waging a JIADS Jihad next time I've had sufficient quantities of gin, which won't be for a while because copious gin consumption can result in colds if it's done in parks in Greenwich, which it was. Speaking of which, hello to all the new people I met at the picnic and an especially warm cuddle to the first timers who overcame extreme shyness and stepped up to say hello and help scare away pigeons by throwing assorted fruits at them. I know I'm, like, the zillionth person to write about the NME thing, but I'll keep it short, promise. I don't give a toss if the bugger doesn't like B&S, but an accusation of intellectual laziness is a bit rich from somebody who is so darned lazy he quotes a chunk of the press conference and claims it was part of his own little chat with Struan. (stand by for the oldest chestnut in the book...) Mr Wells, were we even at the same gig? Iain Radcliffe said: >>Lucy, you name makes me think of trees for some reason, are you willowy and sylph-like at all? I have to admit to being a bit more tits 'n' arse than that but Iain, you can have my undying lurve for saying such a nice thing, as can Arantxa for calling me "a hard-drinking, red-shoed smart lady" Rock on Juicy Lucy -- This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From cellophanesky at xxx.com Tue May 23 14:52:51 2000 From: cellophanesky at xxx.com (Brian Pennington) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:52:51 -0400 Subject: Sinister: And All Those Songs, Like Crystal Balls In-Reply-To: <802568E8.004A0409.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> References: <802568E8.004A0409.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Message-ID: ...Dismantled King, you know I love them all Dear Sinisterines, I just read Nick Dastoor's post about Legal Man as the single v. Loneliness of the Middle Distance Runner as the single, and I have to agree to some extent. Loneliness really is one of my favorite songs by B&S, and hearing it on tape and seeing them play it live is amazing. I think something like that would resound well with people, you know? And I remember Stuart M saying once that it's the best song they'd written. So why not put it out? = ( It could be as they say, they just can't bang out a recording they like. Or maybe they're sick of old songs and they're excited about new ones. It seems a shame though that some beautiful songs have fallen by the wayside. As much as I fiendishly collect unreleased songs and bootlegs of B&S (unlike most bands) I don't want any of them to stay that way. Everyone should get to enjoy songs like Loneliness, or the much-maligned Rhoda which is really quite nice. Someday when I'll have probably lost most of my hair, we'll get a chance to hear some proper, cleaned up master versions of some of those songs. On a B&S boxset or somesuch collection. Or maybe there will be a second single, that'd be great. Are you Jeepster people listening? But I do really like Legal Man, and it's quirky so it deserves some hit potential. You never know, maybe the backlash is so bad by now Loneliness would have gotten crushing reviews from the press as well. I'm really pleased with Judy and her being a Dick Slap. Initially when I heard the words "soul-sounding," "instrumental," and "Belle & Sebastian," together, I instantly thought "the Tigermilk instrumental." But I guess it doesn't have any of that in it, unless it's in the 12" which I do intend to get. Hmmm...I love the soft piano song bit. It sounds like one of Felt's short instrumentals done entirely by Martin Duffy. Like "Magellan," that reminds me of the soft Dick Slap part a lot. And the first part is a bit Stereolabby. Not so much as Slap the Cock Around when you speed it up, but pleasingly so, regardless. I almost think it might end up being one of the best parts of the single. I for one adore instrumentals, although I think they fit better as the occasional track on an album to mix things up. They do make excellent B-sides, though, as we can see. I wonder if they just shoved a bunch of unfinished songs together and called them Judy Is a Dick Slap? Winter Wooskie's lovely as ever if a bit short. Overall I like the single a lot. It's not what I might have imagined in regards to B&S, but I think that's good. I feel like I should say something about life outside of Belle & Sebastian. Like some witty comment about my friends in #sinister. But I wouldn't know what to say, to be honest. And my life...eh, it's not so exciting. Kind of depressing at the moment really. I didn't sleep at all last night, and I've apparently been having "anxiety attacks" as I sleep, where my heart starts racing and I'm breathless for a time. Must have something to do with graduating soon and sitting around without doing anything all day, and worrying about getting a job. Anyone hiring a web designer in the middle of nowhere? Oh, no? What a surprise. I got my cap and gown and all that yesterday. Bleh. Alright, well I've sated my need for something personal to say. Oh, and our computer over at my radio station isn't working and it doesn't look like anyone's going to get off their behind to fix it. I certainly have no idea how to do it. So as a consequence I won't be doing a radio show if anyone happened to notice that in my last message and wondered. Well, I have things to do, must get rid of some of this anxiety, I guess. Hanging out with all those Jesus freaks, -- Brian Pennington, aka Mick McMick | cellophanesky at mac.com | ICQ# 39021436 Sandcastle Records: "Better a tear of truth than smiling lies." - Duncan Browne +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Paulfie at xxx.uk Tue May 23 15:24:13 2000 From: Paulfie at xxx.uk (Paul Field) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 15:24:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: All I want is to be a trumpet line in a Pale Fountains song Message-ID: Hello friends and enemies. Well, I don't think any of you are enemies actually, but you never know. You can't be too careful these days. Just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean everybody isn't out to get you. Is that a quote from somebody? It's not an original thought of mine, that's for sure. The only original thoughts I have are centered around food and drink. Oh. A Belle and Sebastian story: (I am surprised I have never shared this before...unless I have and I'm being a complete gibbon) Many moons ago before I had taken up residence in the sinister village...if my memory serves me correctly sometime around February 1998, I was working for Marks and Spencers at their offices on Baker Street. One exceedingly dull day with around ½ hour left until the drudgery was over for the day and I decided to go downstairs to the smoking room for a final cigarette. So, there I am sitting with a cup of disgusting coffee and a cigarette mulling over the days events and feeling a little strange. I began singing Belle and Sebastian songs in my head, and what should pop into my head but "The state I am in". The room had around 10 people in it...it had a capacity of around 100, so it was quite empty. Feeling silly and I guess slightly sinister, I stood up and began to turn the tables around. Of course, nobody got it. They just looked at me and began to smoke very, very quickly....seemingly wanting to get out of my way as soon as possible. I got many funny looks walking around the office for months afterwards. Did anybody notice the subject of this post? Isn't it lovely? No, I am not being conceited, it's not mine. On Sunday I got home to London after having had a holiday in lovely Greece visiting our fellow sinisterine, velocity girl. Whilst she was Djing one evening (great DJ by the way...better music than anywhere I know of in London) one her friends turned to me...I think vel may have been playing "just a girl"....and said this to me. My heart rose and sank simultaneously. I just thought it was such a beautiful thing to say. My time in Greece was fantastic. Let me assure you all that velocity girl is even better in person than in print. Such a great girl with great friends who made me feel so welcome. And made me drink ouzo....urgh! So, I did miss the sinister picnic but that was ok as we had a little picnic of our own and how many at the London picnic had a swim? I was out there for a few days before I was joined by Mr. Richard Pushong (that lucky git is still there). So, there was 3 of us...does this constitute a picnic? I reckon it does. And spooky the dog, who should be made an honorary member of sinister. She is the craziest and coolest dog in the world. She dances to the television personalities, is terrified of the NME and rides a scooter. I tell no lies. And if you say "Steven Wells" to her she bites your ankles and makes them bleed. Now I tell lies. I think. I never actually tried it, maybe she does. Anyway, I could go on forever about Greece but I don't want to bore you all rigid so I will leave it there. Love and Feta cheese Paul. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rob_brennan at xxx.uk Tue May 23 12:52:00 2000 From: rob_brennan at xxx.uk (rob_brennan at xxx.uk) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:52:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Consumer Monkey Message-ID: <005B3C04.C21023@yahoo.co.uk> Hello Full time jobs don't leave much time for shopping unfortunately so Legal Man is not yet in my grubby paws. All the positive vibes about the single are making me drool uncontrollably so I hope I get hold of it before it sells out - oh hang on we established B&S wouldn't do that didn't we... (half-hearted rim shot.. muted laughter) Nothing to say about the NME article. I've not read it since they started employing five-year olds to write the thing anyway. ...the lovely Laura Llew stepped up to the mike, paused to absorb the applause of the crowd and sang: "I have decided to become the List Enigma..." I spent a couple of years as an enigma. It's great if you're in a band but doesn't score you many points in job interviews or exams. Unless you meant you were going to be a WWII encryption machine in which case it would be even worse if it took half an hour to decode everything you said. ...Rachel grabbed the mike, looked the crowd in every single one of its eyes and said: "Another thought that's keeping me awake--> "Is Morrissey lonely?" I keep picturing him in some giant echo-y house in LA, wandering from room to room and finally getting bored and switching on his big screen TV, a tear trickling down his eye because this is the third day in a row nobody's phoned him." That's funny, I keep picturing Morrissey getting a load of mates round his house, sinking a few beers, watching the porn channels on cable and tucking into a nice juicy steak saying "Mmmm... meat is marvellous" Sorry. Robster ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Mark at xxx.com Tue May 23 11:29:00 2000 From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:29:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Charlton Heston's gun-themed restaurant Message-ID: <005B3C15.C21023@hitentertainment.com> Darling sinister, Here's a tuppence-coloured postlet from the wastes of post-picnic banality (am I sounding like Steady Mike yet?). Legal Man is a wee gem, isn't it? I think its tops, and will be number ELEVEN in the UK charts come Sunday. I personally guarantee it. EGADS is a trickier bunch of grapes. I had to give it the "would I buy this if it was on the radio by some band I'd never heard of?" treatment, and thanks to my love for early Stereolab (Lo Boob Oscillator anyone?), yes I would. I would even buy it if it were by Muse, who Steven Wells thinks are the future of music. So no complaints there. Winter Whoopsie, however - well, it's nice, but... Stevie is turning into a grown-up songwriter, but StuD, bless him, can't really manage it. Snippets, yes, concept albums, better than most, but I'm coming round to Miss Vicky's argument that anyone who's allowed a solo career shouldn't get mediocre songs on records by BELLE AND SEBASTIAN. I'm not crying over the demise of Paper Boat - perhaps that'll be on Anthology II... /me tussles with ree. ree wins with a technical knockout. /me needs someone to dab his wounds. For what it's worth, I bought Legal Man in HMV yesterday and both the new release shelves and the regular B&S section were almost out of the CD. This is a good thing. I hope. Can people stop mentioning the 15 minute thing? It was an arbitrary choice - just think about what you're writing and it'll be fine. Va ben'? I also have a sinister t-shirt suggestion. If you want one, why not make one yourself? I have an awful feeling that sinister's detractors would have a field day with us all lumbering round in identikit shirts. When I were a lad, etc., my fellow faith healers fans and I used to make our own ridiculous amateur shirts with that sort of gluey fabric pen stuff - anyone with a modicum of imagination would come up with something special. Nowadays we've all got computers anyway, so it's hardly difficult, but it's such a good opportunity to expel your creative juices. Hmmm. Anyone sinistah going to the Magnetic Fields on the 25th July in London? Tickets still available (as of yesterday, anyway) - come and meet list doyenne Starry Sarah, willowy and sylph-like ladylike Lucy, the divine miss V and big gay me. I want to go to the Edinburgh picnic Laura Llew, why are you harassing me? What is it about my arse? Is it too big? I knew it was too big! Rachel W. said: "Waldo Jeffers had reached his limit" And thereby became my nomination for listee of the year. God, I'd forgotten how good that song is! "it was now late August, and all he had to show for it were three dog-eared letters and two very expensive long distance phone calls". Is that right? Ooh! Yes it's self-indulgent, but hell, if the unashamed love of great music is self-indulgent, then I'm going to indulge. Myself. Um. Rachel also said that Stuart sounds like Nico. Well, on 's tape tree tape there's a Nico song with, spookily, the chorus from "If you're feeling sinister". Can anyone tell me what this song is? My favourite thing about Nico is the way she says clown as claun (imagine German accent). London picnic was fun. Liz Daplyn was there, how could it have been anything else. No courgettes though. Christ, I'm shit at football. Not bad at pole dancing, though. Mark xxx ******************************************************************* The contents of this e mail from HIT Entertainment PLC are confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy or further distribute this e mail; please notify us by telephone on 020 7224 1717, and delete the e mail from your computer. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From idleberry at xxx.com Tue May 23 16:31:07 2000 From: idleberry at xxx.com (idle berry) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: its a shame he had to be so mean, but I felt compelled... Message-ID: <20000523153107.8077.qmail@web615.mail.yahoo.com> ...to get revenge. My twatmate is still being a tosser. Which isn't good. Especially the night before my exam, insulting my family, insulting me (hey, whats new....) and leaving me in a bad mood. Its as if something snapped. I actually said something quite sharp to him. For a change. Rather than leaving it with him getting the last word. Imagine living with Steven Wells... with an attitude problem towards YOU constantly. And add a dash of extra ugliness, nastiness and pure undiluted evil bastard qualities to it. Season it with anal retentiveness, and serve up with arrogance and ingorance to bring out the flavours. Do that for a year. Have no real escape mechnism. Have no chance of getting out of that ugly little flat, with its uglier flatmates. Have nobody to help you. Have the support and sympathy of people, but still be stuck with the same situation, night after night. And try to stop yourself making some comment about his mother and her lack of birth control by the end of it. I won't tell you all the gory details, but you can believe that I felt a little aggrieved. I didn't need extra grief the night of my exam. So I phoned a few friends. Two were on student radio, and played me a song to cheer me up. Unfortunately, it was in hudderfield, but that didn't matter. Then I sat playing my guitar for a bit, making angry mogwai noises with the amp turned up and feeling quite inspired to feel angry. When I eventually went to bed, I dreamt I was being kicked repeatedly. I think its something to do with how powerless I felt. I just need to get out of the house, get out of that room, and get away from him. As soon as possible really. Came into uni exrta early. Nobody about, it was 7am, so I sat on the steps and read a story in Danish about wolves being found a new place to live, when people think they can be domesticated. It was quite a nice story, and it helped me with my revision. When I remembered I had a twenty four hour computer access card, I went and logged on, and chatted away to people on the internet I'd never spoken to before. Its amazing how sympathetic people can be when you're just another anonymous face. It made me feel good. Oh, and my revenge wasn't very nice thing to do, but it was discrete, it was perfect, and it gave me a little piece of satisfaction. If you want to know what it is, you'll have to mail me. ;) My exam went alright, actually, the danish was the easiest. Maybe it was because it was taken from the story I had been reading before. The invigilator warned us not to cheat, and if we had any notes could we hand them in now. Sensing the tension in the air, one of my classmates spoke up and said he had some notes, and suddenly wanted to hand them in, because she made him feel guilty. It wasn't true of course, but I had to refrain from giggling. Almost the minute I walked out the door I wanted to go and check when the resits are. I did badly, but right now, it doesn't matter. I have other things on my mind. Pressure does funny things to my mind some times. I have one exam on Saturday, but I'm not too worried about it. Its in English, which makes me relax. Its about Scandinavia, politics, welfare state, culture, UN, history in the 20th century... that sort of thing. But my teacher made it a good class, so i don't mind taking the exam. Then I'm off to see my boyfriend straight after. I'll spend about ten days with him, relaxing in a calm atmosphere where I feel happy, and secure and I'm really really looking forward to it. I've asked my parents to get here as soon as possible to pick me up, and all my belongings, to get me out of that house as soon as I can. technically, I have less than two weeks left in his company, but that seems all too much. I think it hurt less when I had my belly button pierced. Its like being ill on a ship, or waiting in a queue to see someone important about something bad. It takes so long to pass. You just want to be on the other side, out of the wait. But until then, until Saturday at least, It will just have to be heads down (thumbs up?). grr. ===== http://www.geocities.com/idleberry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fatslug at xxx.com Tue May 23 16:58:01 2000 From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:58:01 -0700 Subject: Sinister: WARNING: More Legal Speak Message-ID: hello folks, lots has happened since i last posted. eurovision for one thing. i know a lot of you were rooting for latvia, but norway had my support all the way. how on earth did denmark win? it was a blummin disgrace. in the world of twee guitar pop, the brittle stars split up, but le coupe released their debut single, so things sort of balanced out there. bjork won best actress at cannes, and john gielgud died the next day, although the two facts may not be connected. steven wells was frothing belligerently as usual. he always goes on about how bands should be more political, and yet *he* chooses to spend his time writing reviews of pop records. you see what i'm saying don't you? the other thing that happened was that belle and sebastian released a new record for the first time in over eighteen months, and since no one else has bothered to write in with their thoughts i guess i'll have to do it. you lot are such slackers. LEGAL MAN no one seems to have mentioned the bongos. am i the only one who hears bongos? am i? i can't really hear the northern soul influence that was bandied about before the record's release, the whole thing is pleasingly cacophonous in a psych garage girl group easy listening sort of way. fun, but not really northern soul, and not really belle and sebastian either. JUDY IS A DICK SLAP as nick and lucy have suggested, the first few bars ARE "born to be wild", but after 12 seconds it goes all joe meek, with the keyboard sound that dominates the rest of the track lifted straight from geoff goddard's clavioline lead on telstar. the sound of mick's trumpet on the extended version is pleasantly familiar amongst the chuggy chuggy bleepiness of it all. i like stereolab, but this isn't stereolab, this isn't even quickspace. WINTER WOOSKIE feels more like traditional b&s, though that may just be because i've known it for a while. i rather like what they've done with the song though - particularly the choral style of the backing vocals. mind you, i still prefer paper boat. overall you can't help the feeling that this misfit collection of songs is the stuff that didn't really fit in on the new album, but which the band still wanted to release anyway. if it means that the album is less disjointed and has a more flowing then that's great. why is the letter on the back cover addressed to stevie, is he in charge, or does each band member get sent an identical letter each time jeepster want to write to them? talking of jeepster, i like the way they've dropped "disques" into their name on the sleeve, very del boy trotter. is it going to be a permanent feature maintenent? back to lurkland, kevan *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. http://www.chickshops.com boutique shopping from chickclick.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From marc_bloomfield at xxx.org Tue May 23 17:01:02 2000 From: marc_bloomfield at xxx.org (marc_bloomfield at xxx.org) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:01:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: a really short one, I'm afraid References: <006b83345171650WWWMAIL3@www.collegeclub.com> Message-ID: Hello all, I'm afraid this is another one about Saturday's festivities. I didn't speak to many people due to my unfortunate shyness and lack of Dutch courage, despite a third of a bottle of vodka, but, suffice to say, everyone I did speak to was lovely and friendly. As far as 2000TT goes, well, I loved it, despite the obligatory evening hangover from the afternoon's warm vodka. The record is fantastic (yay!), Florence won lots of stuff, and it brought a lump to my throat and a tear to my eye to see a floor full of people dancing to 'Shoulder Pads' by The Fall (talking of which, are there any Sinisterines going to see The Fall at the LA2 whenever it is?) I'm told the new album is top, but I'll have to wait 'til it comes out and hope I still have enough money to buy it with by then. Further thoughts, I'm afraid, on Legal Man. I love it, although it doesn't really sound like B&S at all (well, not old style, anyway). I disagree with Nick Dastoor about it being retro - well, maybe it is, but gentle acoustic pop is hardly a new thing either, it it? I'm not sure what the fuss about 'Dick Slap' is about. It's good, but it sounds like a B-side, whereas before all the songs on the EPs could've been A-sides. I imagine a lot of people will disagree, but I thought it was a bit disappointing. And I haven't heard the CD single yet, as I can't get to the shops (and I haven't got any money 'til Friday - roll on payday). Still, it's definitely worth having, and who knows, maybe we'll see a TOTP performance yet (here's hoping). Ah well, I think that's me lot for now. Cheery bye, Marc. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elenita99 at xxx.com Tue May 23 19:05:53 2000 From: elenita99 at xxx.com (elenita99) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:05:53 CEST Subject: Sinister: beautiful, only... Message-ID: <20000523170553.89934.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello littles friends, OK as 134 people or so did already, Legal Man....I love Winter Wooskie a lot, it is really a lovely song. Legal Man...mmm didn't listen to it enough I guess but will do, it sounds a bit disco so it's sort of unusual but, well...I find it ok. And i like JIADS even if it was some surprise to discover it was instrumental. I am now sooo impatient for the new album! London picnic was lovely, I couldn't expect more from my first Sinister picnic! We had lovely weather, lovely people, lovely games with ball and frisbee, and a GRATE night at 2000TT (even if I came home all wet a 4 in the morning with my big Fichyclap poster under my arm :)First time I heard B&S songs every 10 mn, as Carsmile Steve said...and it's brilliant, I just couldn't prevent myself from jumping all around the place... I did get very jealous because of a girl wearing a lovely hand-made-with-velcro Sinister t-shirt...what about these uniforms then?? I hope we'll do that again and that more of us will join:). Even if my Mum felt really better after I phoned to say I was ok and safe ("...slightly mental" I heard her think when I told her I was having a picnic with 30 people I didn't know) Hope you all had a nice week-end... Love and smiles Elena ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From acook at xxx.uk Tue May 23 19:08:48 2000 From: acook at xxx.uk (Alasdair Cook MC1996) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:08:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Fold your arms son, that'll get you the girl Message-ID: <392AC930.15DA9456@cs.strath.ac.uk> I had written a 15000 word synopsis of the weekend's events but my sister ate it, so you're left with this rubbish I suppose. And that REALLY annoys me. Friday night's highlight was the Pine2 patter, which, far from being pretentiously portentous, was perfectly picturesque and pleasurably potty. I think. Oh, and Rabbit In Red were nice too. Musically and personally. Only 3 Rock people came to dance with no poignancy afterwards, as others were either too old or thought they were. Picnick. Except with out the Nick. Barbeque indeed. Anyway, twas lovely as usual. I refer to Mark's comments regarding Daplyn. I think everyone eventually won the football, as players were swapped between teams so often as to make even John Motson a bit wibbly. It was good to finally hear Casarotto admit he's playing for the other side, though. And I can confirm that Robert Smith is a goalkeeping God to rival Jim Taylor. Tell us again how you got to that shot of Martin's, Bob. Trousers and I got in some practice for the new cluster of Chris Leonard tribute bands which are about to explode on the scene, and though The Voice Of Zeus can be successfully replicated in normal octave situations, even Luciano would have to admit that the bottom notes of Mother Magpie are beyond his grasp. Still, certain people are working on Brother Badger and Sister Squirrel as I type, so watch this . At 2000TT I was unfortunately interviewed for some uni thing before I started having a good time, so if you see me quoted anywhere saying "Er, well it's a bit crowded isn't it?", it was GREAT really. Especially the pole dancing, which I like to think was done for my benefit. It turned me on anyway. Legal Man: I shall only comment on the video, which is brilliant for one reason only. Neil's dancing. Vel said some very nice things about me which I shan't repeat, except to echo her suggestion for more girls to play football next time, and for more to fall on top of me. Lovely. If you see any photos of me on Sinister soon, please ignore them. Please. Frock on. I did, didn't I? Alasdair xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From foxinthesnow_ at xxx.com Tue May 23 17:38:14 2000 From: foxinthesnow_ at xxx.com (Fox in the snow) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:38:14 PDT Subject: Sinister: Montreal B&S picnic reminder Message-ID: <20000523163815.91880.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello everyone! Well the time for the first MOntreal belle and sebastian picnic has finally arrived! It is a quick reminder to let you know it is still going to be next Saturday (27th) in Parc Lafontaine. A few of us are meeting at around 11:30 at Metro Papineau then we'll all head to the parc lafontaine. So if you can,T make it for 11:30 we'll be in the parc for a bit. and we'll be between the two lakes. And if it's raining we'll go in the wee cabin. And everyone bring your b&s tshirts, badges and everything! and I,ll make sure to bring a radio with me :) so we should all be able to recognize ourselves. Well make sure you bring food, and anything you might judge can be fun. Oh and Simon I'm counting on you to bring a guitar because I cannot bring mine all the way from Qu�bec:( cheers, karolyne ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sophie at xxx.uk Tue May 23 20:28:48 2000 From: sophie at xxx.uk (sophie watkinson) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:28:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: ho hum Message-ID: this is my second post. but maybe we could treat it as my first? becasue i didn't get a chance to finish properly last time becasue my dad needed the computer. and incase you haven't noticed i have severe difficulty in typing the word becasue. because even. i have to confess my sins. i only got into b&s because of something very narrow minded. i fell in love with someone who loved them. so i thought it would only be right if i loved b&s too. even if said person didn't love me. so i made my unsuspecting lil' sister buy tbwtas (she's always richer then me!) and instantly fell in love, of course. and the wierd thing is that the whole album made me forget all about my heart which had been broken by a belle and sebastian fan, and made me remember the love and happiness that life can bring if you just let it in (oh dear, how tacky!!!!) my least favourite album is iyfs and i get the impression i might be in the minority when i say that?!? as a stand alone album it is, of course, pretty damn good, but when theres a choice between that or tigermilk it's gotta be the latter, and when tigermilk becomes tiresome, which isn't very often, tbwtas always kicks in. so it's not until i've tired of both the others that iyfs gets a listen by which point im in need of a tea and biscuit break anyway. i got to talk about b&s in an exam today. it was only general studies, but still, i thought it was quite a skill. i had to write an essay about the effect of music upon society or summat, using personal experience as examples, so i wrote a load of gushy stuff about a sense of belonging etc etc. but it certainly spiced up what was otherwise a boring three hours. i also had my design exam today which was very boring too. so now im very tired and must go to sleep. i haven't even been able to buy lego man yet cuz i was revising. love sophie "Happy. Barefooted, wild-haired, singing, swigging wine, spitting, jumping, running - that's the way to live." *Jack Kerouac - beckoning with open arms* on another note: me and aforementioned lil' sis went to the bridge at the top of my road the other night to escape a domestic arguement and ended up spitting on cars as they went under on the bypass. and it was so funny that a couple of days later i got my friends wasted then re- introduced them to the pleasures of being a young tear-away. if anyone's after a bit of light relief, i most certainly recommend it!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.uk Tue May 23 20:45:34 2000 From: ian at xxx.uk (sarah cracknell) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:45:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: broken in the fall Message-ID: <002e01bfc4ef$76debd40$fe12883e@default> he kept staring at me. i looked away, but he kept on staring. i tried glancing out of the window; pondering my feet; standing up and pretending i saw the ticket inspector coming. but he just sat there...looking at me. there was a time i was used to that. there was a time people used to stare. i used to be famous. an international babe, an arm-wavey-hip-swingy-maraca-shakey-type-of-girl. people looked all the time. and i loved it. i loved them knowing who i was, standing close to me in the crowd, smiling, making eye contact, reaching out gently with their fingers.... not now. times have changed. i am no longer a transnational funkster... oh yes, there's still a sarah cracknell. she sings as beautifully as she always did, her bangles jangle, her lips pout and her position at the cutting edge of hand-held percussion is unchallengeable. but it isn't me any more. its a machine, just a face, just a girl put together with kisses and bolts. it started last year, when i got kidnapped. pete and bob responded to my pleas for help for a while. bob said he'd rescue me in a cunning plot involving hammond organs, french footballers and the smile of the moon. alas, he lied. he did no such thing. for there was already a sarah in my place. the boy that had kidnapped me dressed up every night in a slinky number with pearls and snuck out to my gigs, where he pouted and strutted and sang "running for cover, it looks like its going to rain" to a thousand adoring fans who thought he was me. i hear that fame did not offer him satisfaction, and he's back now, selling his arse behind selly oak station. he says its a more honest profession. in the mean time, i escaped....i ran through the streets as the drizzle stang my face, i hitched a lift to dover on a passing donkey, and i got kidnapped by aliens. since then....i drifted. bob and pete have a new girl. she looks just like me. she sings just like me. i wonder if she is me. because sarah c has gone somewhere else. this woman who sits and looks out of train windows.... i don't know who she is, but she isn't the girl i used to be. i've been on the train four days now. if you hide under the seat at the terminus, the guard doesn't see you and you can travel on and on. the guard used to look at me strangely, but now he just walks past, like everybody else. its as if they don't notice me. none of them stare any more. except the man. the man that was staring. and he kept staring. then he leaned forward and opened his mouth... "you know who you look like with that moustache on?" moustache? oh yes, my tom selleck disguise. i can't remember how it got here, but i think i adopted it whilst in captivity. i look in the mirror of my shoe...but i see no-one....i start to answer him.... "tt....t...tom s-" but he jumps in before i finish "catherine deneuve". catherine deneuve? another look in my shoe...the train rattles through a tunnel, and somewhere i can hear a baby crying. i feel a trickling on my cheek, and i realise i am smiling. for the first time since the last time. i try and answer him... "b...but catherine deneuve...dd.ddd....didn't have a m.mm...-" he cuts in again.... "in the days before she was famous, of course. her young days. the days when her beauty could destroy a man's eye at seventy paces....that's who you look like.." i smiled again..i tried to thank him but my throat was too full of smiles and the words fell back inside. he leaned forward..."i know you...i know where you've been. there's no need to explain. take my hand, go on....." hesitantly, i allowed my finger to fall into his palm....he winked at me "when is now?" he asked.... "i....i..." "now is just something we feel in our heads. you and me, we've been now. its time to be forever". i smiled, and shut my eyes to blink back the tear. i opened them again. he is gone. i stare at the window, and i think of you. i think of how you all tried to help me once. can you help me find myself now? can you tell me where i am? the next time you climb on a train, look for me. i'm hoping i'll be there. love silent sarah c +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.org Tue May 23 20:54:57 2000 From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:54:57 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: hiya (fwd) Message-ID: >From Katrina at B&S Central: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- ******* B&S album launch in Sydney - Oztralia On Friday, 26th the Sydney indie night, Gifted returns for a one off special at the Gaelic Club, 64 Devonshire St, Central. We're presenting the official launch of the new Belle and Sebastian album, "Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant". There'll be lots of giveaways and we're showing all their clips and live concert videos throughout the night. FBI Radio djs Damien (Soul Static Project), Gus (Smart Casual) and Chris (The Fanclub) will be playing a mix of indie pop tunes to dance or chill to. Come along! All for five bucks and cheap drinks too!! http://hop.across.to/popfrenzy ******* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Tue May 23 21:03:13 2000 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:03:13 PDT Subject: Sinister: Struan,Struan you appear all over me,for me,me me me Message-ID: <20000523200313.69798.qmail@hotmail.com> Stru-Anne keeps taking form in other people doesn't he? Gosh,who was saying it,from a few digest back,that a guy from Ally McBeal looked like him? THAT HAS BEEN BUGGING ME! See,I've only seen like 2 episodes of Ally McBeal but that one character,Richard Fish (that is who were talking about,right? Or else now I'm going to look like a crack-baby)held an unnatural attraction for me,but I couldn't place it.And now I know.I must have subconcious 'type'. Stru-Anne also appears in the movie Roadtrip.Yes yes,I know,I KNOW! But it's true..he's the obsessive stalker Teaching Assistant who bids money on the preeetty lady. In Art class,we're not doing silk screen anymore,so I don't know when I'll be able to design Girl Sinister FC Tee Shirt.We're doin Soft Sculpture.From the examples I was looking at it,it all looks very kitschy and evil.I find dolls very evil,they are only second in evil to the dreaded Clowns.You know those dolls that when they lie down,there eyes close,and when they get up,they open? God they give me the heebie-jeebies.There's just something very unnatural.Anyways,I'm getting sidetracked.One of the examples was a huge,life-sized knitted Momma figure,knitting.And it hit me: I should knit life sized replicas of Belle and Sebastian.(Great idea apart from the fact I can't knit)That would win hands down for more scarily obsessive fan,wouldn't it? I could fed-ex them to Stuarts house with the message "I'm your creation! I'm the girl from Expectations! I've moved on from clay figures of the velvet underground- now it's you,it was ALWAYS about you!" Or I could send him one of those dolls I was talking about above that when you press it,it says "Stuart..I'll love you forever and ever and ever.." "You're my BESTEST friend.." In an unnatural little girl voice a la campbell.I hope Mick Cooke skips this mail,hes going to think I'm weird. So you all seemed to have a good time at the picnic? GIRLS! Why didnt you play football!Was there at least some boys wearing skirts? I'm taking this very seriously,I hope you all don't think its a big joke.I've been meticulously transforming all my jeans into Dazy Dukes,fraying them,in preparation for late summer.You can bet I'll be the be the classiest player there.I'll get a Famous Watson Feathered HairDo and wear the dazy dukes with high-heeled vinyl pumps as well.Hot stuff!You can't let the boy-things win,honestly,they can't be that good.Velocity and Me have been warned bout some Ally character,and I assure you,I'll take care of that,no problem.I got your back.I'll be practicing for August. Oh! And another thing: I bought Legal Man.I know its like the only thing people have been talking about,but I was quite pleased because its one of the first cds I bought in months.11.99 at HMV.Its so weird that I bought the cd when it wasn't availble in other places.I do wish it was a bit meatier,I didn't like Legal Man when I first heard it,but it's good frivolous fun now.I haven't seen the video,but when I hear the song,the video I see in my head is of all the Belle and Sebastian boys tied up in chairs with sexy go-go girls in frayed,glittering bikinis dancing around them,reeling them in with the ties they are wearing.I completely agree with Nick that the Lonlieness Of The Middle Distance Runner should have been their single.Tthis is what happened with my friends (who are non-b&s fans) But since they hear me go on and on about them,one dear boy (god bless him for trying) was like "Yeah..I looked them up and I heard this song Is It Wicked Not To Care..umm,yeah" If only he had found another song.(No offence to fans out there that count that as there favourite song)Its just not what I would call the best reprasenting.But the Distance Runner!The chords,the guitar solo,it makes my heart swell!It makes me feel like running through the fields!I don't care if that sounds cheesy! I love when Stuart sings about the runner stopping in the middle and looking around,all alone,it puts such a vivid vision in my head.The other part that makes my heart swell is in Le Pastie De La Bourgeoisie "how you love,and a halo surrounds you.." OH OH OH OH,I can't even take it's so beautiful! I have to do 10 sketches of Cats now.Gosh,If I'm going to be twee I want to be this Gay Sequinned Twee all you London people keep talking about.Oops- I better stop before I write a novel.("But you already have") I'm so easily distracted from unpleasant things such as study and work. kisses and hamstring stretches, Genevieve sniff..sorry to see my fantasy girl erica depart, extra kisses for her xx ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nikko at xxx.com Tue May 23 21:16:00 2000 From: nikko at xxx.com (nikko Poiccard) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister:carnauba bees (Another new'un and Looper in northhampton) Message-ID: <381549371.959112960171.JavaMail.root@web312-mc.mail.com> Hello scary boys and girls, I have been out of the nursery for what seems like years, but is only about six months, so I won�t give the, I�ve just got out of the nursery blurb because it doesn�t apply (saying that is even more tw**, I realise now). Anyway, somewhat intimidated by the glorious prose that flows from some of your veins I shall keep this short so as not to offend with dreary syntax or unenlightening musings. A brief description of me is not in order so I will add one anyway. SKIP THIS IF YOU HAVE SENSE (INTRODUCTION) I live in Bucks (I�d like to say stockholme (sic) or warsaw, just to impress, but I can�t lie very well) but escape to london when I can. I was introduced to B&S by the black session recording and have been dysfunctional ever since. Favorite bands = smiths, tindersticks, B&S, Leonard Cohen, Arab Strap, sonic youth, Smog, Godspeed, beach boys, slint and of course steps, who were robbed at the brits. I�ll stop now as I can tell I am boring the more frivolous sections of the community. LEGAL MAN Am I the only person who thinks that Legal man sounds a bit like bananarama (which is no bad thing), only everybody I tell looks at me for slightly too long afterwards. I love the song by the way, and what I saw of the video (re �them catz was trying to kill me, man�) made me shiver - I suppose it�s just seeing Bel dancing and Struan looking kind of insecure (glorious hair though) that did it, they must have been nervous doing their first act as pop stars. LOOPER ON TOUR I am rather excited as I will be seeing looper in northampton on the 9th june and cannot wait to see whether Stu D has shaved or washed or anything. I hope this is not list abuse seeing as he did used to be in B&S and he is so cute and cuddly that he can get away with it. Anyway, I expect there must be some sinisterians who are going, so if there are we could meet up and compare the shinyness of our upside down badges. Unfortunately mine will be a dennis and gnasher one as I pinned my b&s one along with my elvis one to the knees on my cords, only to find that they had been torn of by a small child with very good taste in music. Well they got lost somehow, but if you are going email me, to cheer me up a bit. I am not sure if that took 15 minutes to write as there is no clock here, and my concept of time vanishes on frequent occassions. I am sure I shall post again in another six months with something witty to remark upon but for now Tara :) will bowe (ignore silly name - it's a nouvelle vague thing) nikko at rome.com ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From codballs at xxx.com Tue May 23 21:39:09 2000 From: codballs at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?chippy=20eileen?=) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: wings Message-ID: <20000523203909.4351.qmail@web3301.mail.yahoo.com> when the darkness reaches back to you, it does so in a smile. have you ever turned all the lights off, covered the windows, and just sat in the dark...just listening? shut your eyes, reach out your hands, and wait, wait for the music to feel you. wait for it to find its way inside you. i'm sorry. perhaps i should introduce myself. my name is chippy eileen. i live in east langerston..its a tiny village in yorkshire. we have a chip shop, a newsagents and a woman who goes round from house to house, combing old ladies' hair. i don't know how long i've been here. no, really i don't. you see, margaret found me one day. margaret, that's my mother, or the closest i ever came. she's married to frank, and they've looked after me since whoever left me here left me here. when i was little margaret liked to tell me it was a gypsy. i liked the thought of that. a dark-skinned, mysterious headscarfed lady who was on the run from some magical curse and couldn't take her little girl with her. so she left me, wandering round outside the chippy, and margaret took me in one night. i left school last year, and now i work in the chippy. margaret and frank wanted me to go to university, make something of myself, but i decided not to make myself until i knew what i wanted to be. so i stand, day after day, frying fish, and playing belle and sebastian on my little radio. there's something about frying fish. most people wouldn't understand. most people who work in a chippy just want the money. i do it because its where i come from. its pretty quiet, so they leave me on my own in the shop a lot. sometimes i can stand and stare into the vat for ages, just watching the bubbles as they drift around, lost in some sort of long-forgotten pattern. that sounds strange, i know. i often say things that sound strange. i'm sure its margaret's story about the gypsy that did it. i've grown up believing in magic, believing in its power to change the world...or, if not, at least to change today. that's why i like to feel music. that's why i stand, in the dark, reaching out and hoping something will reach back. they say a geometrid is a type of moth. did i read that on the sleeve notes, or did i look it up on margaret's computer? i don't know. moths, funny creatures. always flapping around in the dark, when really, all they're looking for is a light. when they find one, they'll die for it. they dive straight in, and they find their wings burning. funny creatures, always flying around in the dark, looking for a light. not altogether unlike human beings. "geometrid". good title for an album. will i feel the moths in the dark? will they seek me out, their light? or will they fly around, looking for brighter sparks? i turn the lights out... the player always hesitates for a moment, and i use the pause to stand, in the middle of the room, feeling. one song, two songs, three songs....i can feel myself smiling, but untouched. fourth song...oh dear... and then suddenly... something tingles. my fingers touch a wing.. i can feel my brain breathing... i'm not alone here. the songs flow into one another...and i find one inside me...."bug rain".... i hear the words but i'm not really listening to them....."bug rain"...just feeling.. feeling it reach back to me, flap its wings around. i hope it doesn't die yet... and no, it doesn't. for what seems like a couple of moments it explores me... into my hair, round my fingers.. and then, i am aware that the music has stopped. and i'm on my own again...but i'm smiling. i'm typing this, looking out at the dusk. there's a duck pond next to the house. the ducks don't live there since someone poured petrol in it. out of the window, i can see what's left of frank's green house. that green house. he spent so much time and money building the green house, growing his tomatos, his cucumbers, his pride and joy. when you look at fish and chips all day, you don't want to eat fat. it took him nearly two years to get the green-house just like he wanted. for two weeks, it stood in our back yard. a monument to human achievement. and then...it collapsed. a high wind, and that was the end of frank's dream. i'm typing this, looking out at the dusk. downstairs, i can hear the shop door close and a car drive away. margaret's voice is shouting to frank to fetch some more cola. i'm typing this, on my own, with the dusk. soon to be the darkness. full of moths. and i'm typing it now, because i'm scared that when the morning comes i'll find that all i did last night was listen to an album. xxx eileen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From durkw at xxx.com Tue May 23 22:02:18 2000 From: durkw at xxx.com (Derek Wuenschirs) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:02:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: just 'cuz they have bad haircuts.. doesn't mean they're better than us Message-ID: <001101bfc4fa$3508cae0$253c63c3@cs479060a> While I'm certain the "london picnic review" window has closed, I'll say hi to all of the wonderful kids with the upside-down badges that I met on saturday. Sunday was spent recovering (after shaking my booty excessively at 2000TT) and listening to the new album... I'm in love with The Chalet Lines in all its eerie beauty. Women's Sulk gets special credit for the danceable melody and hand claps. Cheers to Rich for the tea, Sam for the posh crisps, David for the haribo, the pub in New Cross (which can now close shop and go on holiday thanks to the sinister invasion), the Calumn Banquet Hall, the guy selling footballs out of a suitcase in Greenwhich (although, I didn't play football..) and the american boy on the night bus on his britpop pilgramage ("there are no good bands in america" - bah!) Thank you Dial-A-Cab & John Lewis... ;-) Canadian love, --- [derek wuenschirs] [durkw at home.com] [http://members.home.net/durkw] [london, uk] +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From FakingUpARampage at xxx.com Tue May 23 22:30:07 2000 From: FakingUpARampage at xxx.com (FakingUpARampage at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:30:07 EDT Subject: Sinister: nanoo nanoo Message-ID: <7c.5e9402c.265c525f@aol.com> dear sinister-cicles, that was supposed to be "mork" ish by the way. i think there is something burning in my house. cos something smells like burned stuff. then again, my nose is stuffy cos of really mean allergies that i never used to have, so i might be a bit confused. or it might be that someone left an ash tray next to my computer. i'm listening to a very nice mp3 of maybe an angel by heather nova, altho it supposed to be verona... and then all of a sudden, it starts going clickity. this isnt a good thing. legal man came out on the 16th in the states, right? if so, will someone please explain to me why my father out right refuses to drive me to a record store so i can buy it? i still havent been able to get geometrid either. grumble grumble grumble. so, i have finally gotten back my copy of tigermilk, much to my happiness. :) my friend who borrowed it just got IYFS... so now i dont feel so displaced in my environment. granted, i still feel kinda odd.. but not as. the only other guy in my school (besides the two of us now) who likes the band is a total prick. that isnt terribly relevant, but i thought i would share anyway. i still have 428 messages to read (so dont talk that much :), but alas, i have a term paper due on thursday which i havent done that much work on yet, so i'm gonna go do that now. sorry for bothering you, Jes +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From david at xxx.uk Tue May 23 23:07:28 2000 From: david at xxx.uk (David White) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:07:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: D'oh Message-ID: Greetings, **NME** I bought this weeks NME to read the Stuart M interview and I have to say I'm a bit pissed off about it (the NME not the interview in particular). I used to buy the NME every week five or six years ago but stopped for a reason I can't honestly remember and I couldn't help but notice that these days they seem to be obsessed about politics in music. Feck that. I listen to music cos it makes me feel good or cos it holds memories for me not cos I want to be preached to by a bunch of tossers who happen to have a record contract. I remember a few years ago a mate of mine used to say that music like Blur's 'Girls & Boys' which I was listening to in the car at the time was shit cos the lyrics didn't mean anything worthwhile and didn't have any message and that really annoyed me. Surely there is more to music than as a medium for spreading a political or moral message. The whole attitude of the NME in the interviews I read (which were the ones with Stuart M and with the Super Furry Animals) was that a band must have some axe to grind in their lyrics with frequent references to Primal Scream and Asian Dub Foundation both of whom I choose not to listen to (although Screamadelica is cool). I get enough fecking politics everytime I open a newspaper or turn on the telly without having to hear it on the radio or on CDs that I buy. I like Belle and Sebastian cos they make nice music. It may not start a revolution or encourage people to 'reclaim the streets' but it makes a train journey more pleasant and is enjoyable to listen to after a day of stress and that's all I want. **Legal Man Video** Oh dear, it's a bit shit is it not. I love the song but the video sucks. It is just a mess. I'm afraid it looks like it was thrown together without much in the way of an idea behind it. I've never been a huge fan of videos for songs. I reckon once you've seen the video, the song tends to be forever tainted with that particular image though I hope I can erase the Legal Man video from my mind while listening to the song. I agree with whoever said it's like the Spice Girls 'Wannabe' but it's not even as good as that. It's too messy, too many people in the shot and too much to distract from the band and the song (although this may be deliberate.) I hope the song does really well in the charts and gets the band the success they deserve but I don't think the video will do them any favours. **New Album** I'm really looking forward to June 5th. I can't remember the last time I was looking forward to the day an album was released, must be getting old cos it used to happen regularly or maybe the music these days just isn't as good as it was back then. Hmm next I'll be saying that the music on Top of the pops all sounds the same (come to think of it...). Right that's about 15 minutes up, <> PS visit www.belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk and contribute to the ever growing but still slightly 'sad' Discussion board PPS I'm currently in the process of updating the aforementioned site and need ideas from YOU as to what should be added/removed from the current site as I want it to reflect what the fans want. I'm also looking for people to write reviews of their favourite tracks/albums/EPs/memories etc. so feel free to contribute. david at belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From martin at xxx.uk Wed May 24 02:14:50 2000 From: martin at xxx.uk (Martin Robinson) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 02:14:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: The Miller, His Son and Their Ass Message-ID: Hello people, I thought the end of the world was nigh when I heard the distressing news that Noel had left Oasis and was not to return. What other raison d'etre could I have? But then I was reminded that Status Quo are about to go on tour and once again every cloud has a silver lining and I wasn't quite so down, down anymore. As for this Belle & Sebastian band I agree with everyone, even that Nick Dastoor geezer, but I like Legal Man loads and glad it's been released and glad it's not on the album as I'm sure it would get my goat when I was in the mood for the other songs on there. And I've already had enough trouble with legal men and my goat. We're just good friends. Honest... And as for one of our more prominent tranvestite scarlet nail varnished list members being our only footballing talent, apart from that lucky keeper Robert Smudger, I'm afraid we are indeed all crap. But we foul like demons and dig out results a bit like The Wombles of old. Bagsie I'm Tomsk though, as he's my hero. He knew that berk Lee's phenominalism was just the feeling you get when you collect shiny things on common's. I don't care what Orinoco says. I really don't... Talking of being ignorant I went to the Tate Modern art gallery and made the mistake of emailing a friend about it, who then gave me a review of the whole bleedin' place and has now asked me what I liked. Am I gonna seem stupid if I said I like the shiny ones? Ho hum... Actually I did like the video of Gilbert and George just standing there, one smoking a fag occassionally. Much better than this Legal Man video nonsense I've been hearing about it. Keep it simple. Like Jim Rockford's files are, all ordered alphabetically and everything. Big Gay Ally also mentioned that he was interviewed for some radio station. I was also questioned after I inquired why they were sticking their microphone over my head while I was having a conversation with an acquaintance, I should have done a Liam and grabbed and stomped on their recording equipment. So if you want to hear my detailed eloquent theories such as "you're my best mate you are, no it's not the drink talking, you really are" just tune in... Actually don't as they asked questions like "do you think B&S are selling out", to which I replied "hmmm... interesting question..." whilst laughing. Surprisingly, it was quite a short interview... And also you'd have to go to the Sheffield area to hear it, which has the museum of pap you know. Oh what a day I've had. I nearly left the house once but thought better of it. Right I've just stopped my stopwatch and this post has taken me 67 hours to write, mainly because I've had to translate it from Volapuk first. Te ra, Martin P.S The Relict and Camera Obscura are grate. I just thought I'd mention that, no reason. The latter of which are on some tape that's on it's way to somewhere called sweetbread or something like that. P.P.S I saw that Poetry Parrot down the pub the other day pissed as a newt. Which was quite confusing as his mate the Neoplatonist Newt, who couldn't handle his ale, was as a sick as a parrot. Anyway, apparently said parrot has got bored of prose and has taken up DIY, which is nice. He's coming round next Tuesday to put up some shelves. So if you want him after... P.P.P.S God this is droning on, but can anyone enlighten me on Billy Maconie? e.g whether they're any cop, and if they are what I should purchase. I'm off now honest... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hamibe02 at xxx.edu Wed May 24 03:25:52 2000 From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:25:52 -0400 Subject: Sinister: it was the best sex that she ever had Message-ID: <000001bfc528$6e6c0580$52e64ace@woody> i'm very sorry for posting so much and i'll try to work on it in the future. listen: the new lp is outstanding. i will say that it does have highs and lows. but, the highs are the highest highs in the b&s catalog. honestly. 'the model' and 'i fought in a war' are two of the best songs i've ever heard. swear on my mum's hairspray. not that she's worn any in a loooong long time. the lp as a whole is quite frankly, amazing. listen: 'i fought in a war' does sound like a popular british group's hit 90s song (i think). but if i reveal this band and this song, everyone will hate me for it. so i'll just keep my twee mouth shut. for now. bwa ha ha. listen: the sinister chat room is buzzing. it's yummy. so everyone needs to always visit it. unfortunately for me i've been somewhat out of the loop for so long that i don't know everyone who comes in and out of it. although, i did happen to talk to the (sadly) now departed lovely Erica MACARTHUR and she wooed me. ditto with miss marie elia. she told me i was her first list crush. i have the tendency to be wooed very easily. not to take anything away from the misses. listen: marie made me realize that i need to relocate somewhere with strong indie tendencies. so i need to move. help me out, someone. i need to go somewhere. i am going to philly for only a few days, this summer, but i AM staying with a listee, that's if she doesn't bail out on me. hmmm. i hope she won't. silence is the sound of the wind masturbating. blake xoxo the nerdy shy eyed pacifist +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Wed May 24 06:44:27 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:44:27 +1200 Subject: Sinister: the lonliness of a New Zealand B&S fan Message-ID: <005701bfc543$7a992200$726137d2@computer> For all the people who, unlike me, won't lower their standards and buy the 'nu-metal' fanzine known as "Melody Maker", I have transcribed the highlights (ie. everything minus the tiresome attempts at humour by the hacks at said magazine) of their "Famous last Words" column from last week, featuring the lyrics for 'Legal Man' ***L-O-V-E LOVE*** Do the lyrics of 'Legal man' point to a new hippy direction for Belle and Sebastian? "I'd just been to see Al Green play" says Isobel "and my favourite song was 'LOVE Love', so that influenced me when I wrote the lyric. Anyway, what's hippy about love?" Stuart: "Love is all around". ***IT'S COMING BACK*** "I sat around desperately trying to write a hit single" Stevie explains "and I had this line 'Love it's going away' and I thought it had to be more positive, it took me two and a half minutes to write the lyrics". ***LEGAL MAN*** No arch irony here, as Staurt explains: "The rest of the lyrics are in context, it is about a legal man". ----------------------------------------- That's it ... so from that it's difficult to construe whether Stuart had any involvement in the writing at all, or whether is't purely an Isobel/Stevie song. Either way ... I'd like to know. I think it's a bit sad that we get so little Staurt on this single. I'd also like to add my thoughts to the 'Lonliness' debate. I think it may be a deliberate ploy to release the single AFTER the album. I think 'Legal Man' is more likely to generate interest, rather than chart success. The album will (I'm sure) get good reviews, and after it is relased, when more people know about the band, they can release a "chartbuster" single. At least ... that;s what I hope will happen. Goodnight all .... Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Tue May 23 20:55:16 2000 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:55:16 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Is Moving House the New Rock'n'Roll? Message-ID: <000901bfc551$20fae680$2280243e@itjfvkli> Kevan, I haven't heard the new record yet, but are you sure they're bongos? I've just got a hunch that maybe they might be in fact congas... I got a birthday card from Bob the Builder. What's all this BabyChris was saying about there being a "massive pretentious tosspot" in Papercuts? Only one? There's usually at least three or four. Come on, who was it? I haven't seen it yet, due to an administrative error*, but I've been giving the matter some thought. If it was just "massive tosspot" it could have been me, but "massive pretentious tosspot" is a bit much. Mind you, I have got "The Journals of Sylvia Plath", still in its plastic, which I'll probabaly stretch over my head as I read it. So B&S turn down offers to provide the music for adverts, do they? That should help keep the global economy booming. We've moved, update your bookmarks. Love and Rockets, Gene Loves Jezebel, Rose of Avalanche. Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk Wed May 24 12:33:22 2000 From: mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk (fiona) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:33:22 BST Subject: Sinister: patches Message-ID: <1E2EAFD417C@mail1.mcc.ac.uk> sorry, i always curse people for posting like this, but i just thought... if i buy an exciting sew-on patch, do i have to sew it on upside down? love and yet more jaffa cakes, fiona. enjoy enid blyton? join http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thefamousfive enjoy twee scottish pop? join http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/worldofirnbru +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk Wed May 24 12:23:08 2000 From: mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk (fiona) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:23:08 BST Subject: Sinister: see you at resits Message-ID: <1E2CB0B1AB1@mail1.mcc.ac.uk> hey kidz, i've just left a two hour exam after one hour and not having managed to answer any questions at all. i'm really not stupid, though, i just didn't realise how much work was involved in mathematics and as a result did none at all. now i see the error of my ways. can't believe we've lost the narrow wizard and erica in the space of a few days, i can feel the pressure mounting up now to write good posts. aaaaaaaargh its all too much!!! loved chirpy eileen's post, its coming from yorkshire that does it you know, my dad hates the fact that me and my brother were born there and he frequently berates us, although what he expects me to do about it, i don't know. my dad also tells me never to buy fish'n'chips from anywhere in the south or west of england because they are rubbish. can anyone confirm this as i don't dare buy any to find out. my plea for mcdonalds tigger movie characters received no response, so just so that you know, i'm not speaking to any of you until someone sends me a piglet. so nurr nurr nurr. i think nick d'astoor may have nearly hit the nail on the head with his comments about the single, but i think its all a dick (slap) d'astardly-esque cunnigng ploy. you see they release a single, knowing that we'll all rush out to buy it in the first week and they'll take the charts by storm (although the sonique single's out this week as well), appear on top of the pops and (here's hoping) in smash hits. however, the nature of the lead track is such that on hearing it there probably aren't going to be that many new converts to the cause, so the band can remain in relative obscurity without appearing to want to do so. aaah, you see, i've got them sussed. pleeease stop talking about the london picnic. i don't mean to be rude, but its really boring and it makes me very jealous. i want a picnic. i want one now, mummy, /fiona stamps feet and sulks in a corner for a bit. anyone fancy helping me organise one a bti nearer to the middle of the country, preferably manchester or leeds? or is the best way to do it just to say meet me here at this time? i'm not very good at this sort of thing you see. but if anyone is going to offbeat in sheffield on friday i shall see you there unless some dreadful disaster befalls me, which i have no doubt it will. you could even email me and we could meet up. hey look!! i got to the end of the post without saying i bought legal man and its great / rubbish / why didn't they release middle distance runner instead? shit! thats spoilt it. raaaaaa love and jaffa cakes, fiona enjoy enid blyton? join http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thefamousfive enjoy twee scottish pop? join http://clubs.yahoo.com/worldofirnbru +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Wed May 24 13:42:09 2000 From: ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:42:09 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Jerry Singer Message-ID: <392BDC31.19709.3AEDF0@localhost> Hello If you were listening, you may remember that I wrote a few days ago about my Inventor's Kit that I'd sent off for. Well, yesterday the wonderful world of invention turned scary. I was doing the washing up when the phone rang. The voice on the other end was a very well spoken American, sounding a little like Troy McClure. "Hi I'm from the Inventor's Agency. I'd like to know if you have an invention you want to send us." "Er, well, I hadn't thought about it really" At first I thought it was a practical joke, but he took me through the forms I'd been sent, told me lots of official sounding things to fill in and I decided that if it was a joke it was far too clever for any of my friends. So I started to get scared. Actually, there was one thing that was a bit strange. He told me to write a number on the form, and then to write his name which was Jerry "With a J" Singer. "Jerry Singer?" I asked, "Are you sure?" "Yes," he replied, in a voice like he'd heard it a hundred times before, "Not Jerry Springer" So I had my doubts, but it was all too uncanny not to be true. Then he told me that he'd phone back in two days, to see if I've had any ideas about my invention. So now I have a dilemma. Either I think of an amazing invention in two days or I admit to him that I'm just a silly boy who phoned up for his Inventors Kit as a joke. I'm not looking forward to either option. Oh well, it's my own fault I suppose. feeling like a dufus Robin x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pinefox at xxx.com Wed May 24 13:49:15 2000 From: pinefox at xxx.com (P F) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:49:15 GMT Subject: Sinister: There Are No Third Parties Involved Message-ID: <20000524124915.28561.qmail@hotmail.com> London's crossings swirled with pink, silver, sequins, the kind of things you've heard about. The sign above King's Cross had a two-decade-dated look. Harrit looked at a picture of Elizabeth Hurley on a news stand. Hurley seemed to have been around for ever - that film in 1987, that gala in 1994, that scandal of 1995, they're all illusions to her now. Yet she looked - dignified, wry, experienced, yes; but angelic too, ravishing, in fact. How did she manage it? As the train pulled out of King's Cross Harrit wondered what had happened to her name. Music seemed to be playing somewhere: from the singing wires, the tracks, the embattled beige seats, the patches of grass out of the window? She tried to place it. It was - yes, it was from Powell and Pressburger's 'Black Narcissus'. Already it lent the journey a haunted air. Someone had left a book on the next table along. It was only slightly tattered (people don't seem to care for books), and entitled Zopyra. The author was W.G. Sebadoh. Idly Harrit thumbed through it. It opened at a creamy page. She read. While riding on a train going West through Central Europe I was detained at a small village station for a matter of two hours. The sky was of the kind of blue one expects in this part of the world at this hour of the day, although in all honesty I was no longer sure of the hour, or even of the part of the world, in question. Nonetheless I had some confidence that the sky was likely to be relatively appropriate to the hour of the day and the region. If not, then so be it. It was not, in truth, terribly important, for whether the prevailing weather conditions were or were not typical of the geographical and temporal situation (note how the use of the French 'temps' would help, and yet also hinder, at this point), they were such as I found them, and my stay was not, as I have already remarked, an extended one, save by comparison with sojourns and stopovers less extended than my own. The station caf� opened on to a paved courtyard fringed with wrought iron. The patterns reminded me of a fence I had seen in a park, or 'parc', in Paris at least sixteen years ago - possibly more, probably indeed, in fact certainly, over sixteen years previously to the incident (if such it was) in question here. The park had made an impression of sorts on me which I would like to explain further, and which I may do once I have described the matters which awaited me at the anonymous caf� which I mentioned, but did not name - out of necessity, though even if spared the pressure of necessity I can offer my reader no guarantee that I would go into details about the establishment's name - a few short moments ago. I sat at a table on a chair made of iron akin, if such an organic term is permissible, to the railings surrounding us. Us, yes, not 'me' only, for the other passengers of the relevant train had, of course, also been prevailed upon to disembark while matters of refuelling, remanning, or some other affair of replenishment, were seen to, or at least seen to have been done. Around me, indeed, I could see a number of other waylaid wayfarers sipping bootlegged Orangina, black coffee, or the local tipple, of which I promise to tell the reader more before the close of my narration, if such it can be legitimately, or even illegitimately, dubbed. I pulled out the paperback that I had purchased in Krakow (to give it for the nones that spelling, one only among a sometimes dizzying variety of options, not least to the multilingual, among whom I would only sometimes count myself). It was a collection of short stories by 'youthful' writers of both Eastern and Western Europe, and indeed - not to 'exclude the middle' - Central Europe too, that all-too dispensable fiction whose ending is quite unknown save that it impends, as Milan once called it while we awaited a taxi-cab on the way to the second day of a conference in Palermo. One had already captured my attention. It was by a young Scots writer and entitled 'Fold your arms, son, that'll get you the girl'. I must confess that my understanding of the fellow's text had only been partial, due to his use of local dialect and an apparent penchant for 'in-jokes' which, as Professor Levin remarked to me in 1979 apropos of the third part of Finnegans Wake, must have been more illuminating for the author than for his eager (yet anxious) readers. Yet withal I had found something in the fellow's style that had drawn me in and encouraged me to seek further enlightenment, or at least a diversion from my circumstances, in some of the other pieces in the collection. I made a note to myself to try a tale by a lad who sounded somewhere between English and French, named as he was Marc Bloomfield. Its title was 'There Are No Third Parties Involved' - a vaguely clever use, I felt, of 'legalese' or the standard patter of the legal man, or indeed woman, for that ancient profession, like so many others, has felt a new wind blowing through its oaken doors in the few decades since I myself began my itinerary. Yet before trying that tale I fancied sampling another one, perhaps because of my 'caf�-bound' situation at the present time, entitled 'It's Changed To "Breakfast"'. I flicked the flimsy pages to 149 and began to read. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.org Wed May 24 14:14:18 2000 From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:14:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Mugs Message-ID: More news from Ms Katrina in her swivel chair at B&S central. The new merchandise shop is now online at: http://www.myspace.co.uk/belleandsebastian/tshirt.html including some rather smart looking mugs which I intend on getting (how about some B&S teabags? Ceylon I think). Also, there are some stills from the Legal Man video improbably at the Blake's 7 WWW site at: http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7/news/Belle.html For people who weren't conscious in the 70s (you lucky beasts), Blake's 7 was a plasticky UK sci-fi series with wobbly scenery, which seems to still exert some strange charm over people called Linda, and the star in it appears as a drunken old sot of a judge in the Legal Man video. These sci-fi fans are on the button aren't they? I'm going to get in big trouble for using the word "plasticky". Telepathic hate mail from the planet Cygnus Alpha. The site also has a "Sevencyclopaedia" with entries for anything that's ever appeared in the series. I particularly like: HARMONICA (C-11: MOLOCH) A harmonica was heard to be played by one of the prisoners from Kalkos aboard the T-16 transporter taking them to Sardos. They've also got 3 (THREE) mailing lists, including one for "adult" content. Mmmm naked aliens... "Bishops love sci-fi, Ted." Honey x -- "unbelievably naive... appallingly dishonest... stupendously dull... intellectually insulting... elitist... perverse... self-conscious... petulant... intensely irritating" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pinefox at xxx.com Wed May 24 16:57:05 2000 From: pinefox at xxx.com (P F) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:57:05 GMT Subject: Sinister: It's Changed To 'Breakfast' Message-ID: <20000524155705.11402.qmail@hotmail.com> The car park was American-sized; built, or stretched, on a scale once unheard of in London. To cross from the station and petrol pumps at one end to the gleaming hangar at the other was something akin to crossing a desert, or so it felt to those who hadn't crossed a desert. Supermarket windows seemed to bat the sunlight back out into the air. The entrance was at far left: spacious and inviting, almost excessively so. How is it, Harriet wondered, that on a 'shrinking planet' certain uses of space seem to be magnifying themselves, well-nigh exponentially? As she grazed the newspapers and the fresh NME, Harriet reflected on what had happened to her name. It seemed to have regained its e. She wondered if she might have been living inside some kind of Perecian formalist narrative, in which the letter 'e' was forbidden in names. It had probably been written by Tim Hopkins. But he'd never admit it. The NME carried a lead letter, so-so, not great, not dire, sticking up halfway for Belle and Sebastian, but nonetheless demanding that they 'speak up'. This seemed a lamentable concession. The NME savaged the fellow anyway. Thank heavens she hadn't been so rash as to write to them herself. Making Life Taste Better, said signs. Life was blue and orange - no, they were its piping, its supplementary colours; brilliant white, as pure as the sunlight outside, was the primary hue of the fresh world. She moved through the aisles and scanned some produce. Lettuces that would freeze themselves into turgid inedibility once refrigerated. Flavours of the world. Baguettes with poppyseeds. Why did they cost the same as, rather than more than, ordinary unseeded baguettes? And why didn't every branch stock them? Marmite. Bovril. Yeats extract. I will arise and go now And go - No, hang on, the Yeats extract was just in her head. But what about its real-world counterpart, the yeast extract? Where was that? Lou Reed remarked in 1989 that human life in America was worth little more than infected yeast. Yet *extracted* yeast, that was something to value. Toast wouldn't be the same without it. Marmite is a kind of yeast extract, it seems. But where was the yeast extract that wore its nature on its sleeve - that was called 'yeast extract', manufactured by, or for, J Sainsbury? A woman passed in the appropriate uniform. Harriet could hardly tell if it was workware or the latest indie-kid fashion. For a minute she thought it might be Alix Campbell. But no. She called out to the assistant and studied her more closely. She was not too tall, yet not tiny. Her face mixed the winsome and the sour. She looked different without an axe strapped on, but there was no doubt about it. It really was Juliana Hatfield. - What's happened to the Yeats extract - I mean, the yeast extract? Juliana affected a 'British' accent. - It's been discontinued... when we had a refit... a whole bunch of brands had to be stopped. No real Brit would ever say 'a whole bunch of', would they? Unless they were discussing bananas. - That's a pity... I always used to buy it. - Yeah, well, we've had some complaints - so you never know. She exited the aisle, sheepish yet sharpish. There was no doubt that it was she. In the coffee aisle Harriet came upon still another puzzler. Wakey Wakey coffee's orange and yellow packaging was intact, yet its name had been changed. It simply said 'Breakfast'. Juliana Hatfield passed. More queries. - What's happened to 'Wakey Wakey'? - It's changed to 'Breakfast'. - Yeah, I see. But why? I mean, what was wrong with 'Wakey Wakey'? - It's about product differentiation... strategies were developed at a high level with regard to naming brands. To bring that product in line with the rest of the strand - 'All Day Long', 'After Dinner', and the like - it really required a more literal name. Plus, I figure that people felt 'Wakey Wakey' was patronizing. 'Breakfast' is just being straight with the customer. That's our aim. It's kind of like when we released 'Come On Feel The Lemonheads'. That was a straight down the line title. We didn't call it 'Have Your People Contact Mine', or 'Ask Park Rangers Where You Should Park'. It says on the box what you get on the CD. Come on, buy the CD - and hear the Lemonheads - which means, feel them - with your ears - right? Something about the story was unsatisfying to me. Unsatisfying tout court, possibly, to a continent of readers; or simply unsatisfying to one gentleman (if I can so call myself) at a railway station in Central Europe. The prose had been acceptable enough, but no more. But the characters of the girls alienated me with a thoroughness which I still find hard to convey. Why must they prattle and gabble so? Why did one speak in a version of the detestable corporate speech of the so-called modern world (advancing towards barbarism with each step of the clock hands, as Teddy once remarked to me, though I pointed out that clock hands do not, strictly speaking, take steps)? I closed the flimsy book, glanced around me, and listened to the conversation of my similarly retarded and ensconced fellow travellers. Travellers on the journey of life itself, no doubt, as well as some more literal jaunt through a portion of the playground which the old cemetery called Europe has become. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elenita99 at xxx.com Wed May 24 19:08:08 2000 From: elenita99 at xxx.com (elenita99) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:08:08 CEST Subject: Sinister: Grass and ball and hot pants Message-ID: <20000524170808.7196.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello people, Two posts in the same week, I hope you won't be scared :) Genevieve mentioned it recently, and I am as well very motivated by this girl-footie team and wish to warn all the foot-players around here: boys, we are not going to leave the playground without being the winners. So varnish-nails-boy and friends you better be careful. As long as football is concerned, I hope you will all support Real Madrid tonight and not those fools from Valencia...This is probably the only football-game of the year I will be watching but anyway... After Derek greetings concerning the picnic to Sam, Rich and more, I would like to stress the fact that I desesperatly offered lovely hand-made sandwiches to Bob-the-Cat (officially know as Robert Smith) during hours (Sam and Derek will testify if needed) but he refused it with obstination. Sigh. I felt so rejected. That is probably why I didn't feel courageous enough to play football (added to the fact that I am a awful player) That was a very footie post, wasn't it? Have a good evening all, football game or not Love Elena ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rhoots1 at xxx.net Wed May 24 18:55:45 2000 From: rhoots1 at xxx.net (Robert Hoots) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:55:45 -0400 Subject: Sinister: new in the neighborhood and scaring the old folks Message-ID: <4120005324175545270@earthlink.net> Greetings to all Sinisters, i'm new...i'm out of the nursery...and, i have nothing intelligent to say. A bit about myself: i was born in america, but grew up in ireland [spent 15 years there, my mum being irish, my da american]. i live in the states now; hard to find a decent pint. i work, and i am feeling rather old at the moment after reading everyone's posts. i am also feeling rather daunted after reading everyone's posts. i have been listening to b+s for a couple of years. i have everything that i could find from them so far and looking forward to the new album. i like to read quite a bit [sartre, dostoevsky, ginsberg, great jack kerouac, nabakov just to name a few--currently rereading republic and butler's lives of the saints]. i paint. i normally paint in oils on rather large canvases [to big for my little studio] and i get opportunities to show sometimes in different galleries around town. of course, my other hobby is music [cohen, bowie, velvet underground+reed, smiths+morrissey, drake, looper, and of course b+s just to name a few--currently listening to geometrid]. i prefer red over white, and veggies to meat. let us see. what other non interesting things might i tell you. oh, yes...i just saw looper live a few weeks ago--thought they were brilliant; got a t-shirt, but i didn't stay for the flaming lips. also, i get to visit san francisco soon. maybe make a stop by city light books, home of the beats. well, nothing else to say. hope i didn't bore too much. if so, i duly apologize. Robert "Consider that this day ne'er dawns again"-Dante +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From codballs at xxx.com Wed May 24 19:16:55 2000 From: codballs at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?chippy=20eileen?=) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: voices Message-ID: <20000524181655.22904.qmail@web3305.mail.yahoo.com> an ink polaroid...look closely, if you will. its taken at dusk, as polaroids of such places should be. it is dark. there are no streetlamps - remember this is the country. mrs arkeston's house, or rather mrs arkeston's garden. if you have a torch you'll be able to spot me. see those bushes? the ones in front of the chickenwire fence? well, if you're really observant you'll notice a pair of bright blue shoes sticking out from underneath. i'm hiding where i think mrs arkeston can't see me. i would be hiding in a better place, right in the middle of the bush, but my mate janet got there first. if you could take a sonic sample...an ink cd, if you like, you would hear the birds calling. there's a forest behind mrs arkeston's house - or it seemed like a forest back then. now they've cut most of it down to build more dwellings. they started building a couple of months after she died, as if they were waiting for it to happen - anyway, the forest was full of birds. birds you could never see. birds that hid in the bushes and shouted out mysterious messages to a little girl who couldn't help but listen. if you play your ink cd you will hear them calling. somewhere, you'll hear the distant growl of a motorbike and above it all.... mrs arkeston's voice...shouting out at what she couldn't see..... "i know you're out there...i can hear you. i've told you, stay out of my garden. you shouldn't be here, i'll tell your parents"....an old lady's voice, fraught with the paranoia of a lonely existence, hovvering in the summer air, competing with the crickets which join with our giggles in a mutual chorus of mocking. poor mrs arkeston. she didn't know it was me behind her house. she liked me. she even used to give me sweets when she saw me out with margaret. i never ate them, of course. you didn't eat anything mrs arkeston gave you. once, she told me she was my real mother. we'd gone to the post office in the next village. i can't remember what margaret was doing there, but i'd wandered off into a little corner full of brightly coloured trucks and model dinosaurs. i heard a shuffling behind me and there she was, smiling down at me and offering me something wrapped in shiny paper. i'm sure i smiled and said thank you, hoping she would go away. but she didn't. she leaned very closely and said "i knew you'd be here....that's why i came.." "you see....you're a very special girl to me....i wish i hadn't left you that night.... but i couldn't keep you, you were such a beautiful baby, you couldn't be tied to an old woman like me..." maybe that's what she said, anyway. she probably said something like that. all i remember is her shuffling out of the post office, clutching her bag and me staring down at the stupid bright yellow truck i was holding, with the tears starting to fall. later, margaret told me that mrs arkeston said that sort of thing a lot, and i shouldn't listen to her....but i always wondered. till i grew up and realised she was at least 70 when i was born. you're probably wondering why i'm showing you this polaroid. yes, its a nice picture but what does it have to do with you...or with belle and sebastian? keep reading, it should make sense. the rumour was, mrs arkeston had a troll in her back garden. that's what we're doing there. we're terrified of the troll, but we couldn't help ourselves. we had to see if it was real. we're not laughing because the old woman is funny, we're laughing because we're terrified. a moment after this was taken, a bird flew into the bush behind us and sent us both running, off into the forest. we didn't stop till we got back to janet's dad's house and he gave us both a cup of cocoa. he didn't ask where we'd been. i think he knew, and i think he knew he wouldn't be going back. i don't know if janet ever went back. she moved away when i was 14. her dad met a woman from leeds and off she went, to the big city. i returned though. many years later. back to the spot where the troll had scared us. the bushes seemed smaller now, mrs arkeston's house had been replaced by a small semi-detached residence. the forest? more of a hedge...and the troll? i had a good look. no troll. no mrs arkeston. just a new, cold looking house. i walked back to the chippy, trying not to feel disappointed. the magic had gone. when i was naive enough to believe a troll lived there, it had all seemed so much more exciting. every now and then, i try and recapture that feeling. that belief in a big, scary, fascinating world out there, instead of a little village with a chippy, a newsagents and a woman that goes from house to house cutting old ladies' hair. i try and re-enter the magical world. where trolls lurk behind bushes, mysterious old ladies are your mother and birds sing secret messages to you. there's a doorway to that world. well, there are many doorways to that world. david wills, up the road, is serving six months in jail for selling doorways to that world. but there are other entries, easier to find, if you look properly. and it isn't a matter of knowing where to look, its knowing how. i heard a brittle, damaged yet strangely hopeful voice drifting through the dark towards me.... "she's very quiet...and very small. in fact she's hardly there at all. that's what she is, and what she is, and what she is..." i could feel myself shrinking, shrinking back into a believer. earlier i'd been to a festival with magic clowns and balloons rising up in the air. i can't remember what stuart david called the festival, but once i'd listened to it, i went outside, and tried to see it in the grass, in the flowers, even in the duck pond. for a moment, just a moment. it was there. the world with the trolls in was back. i could almost hear mrs. arkeston shouting my name. "tigermilk" took me there... the musical leaping of the first bars of "i could be dreaming" led me there.... stuart david seems to know the way every time. every time it looks a little bit different. i can't wait to see what the world of the new album looks like. i'm planning to take it into the forest-that-isn't-a-forest, put on my walkman and sink down beneath the mushrooms to hide in its chords. wake me up if the troll comes. eileen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LNino at xxx.com Wed May 24 20:13:28 2000 From: LNino at xxx.com (LNino at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:13:28 -0700 Subject: Sinister: If your ears are thisty where do they drink from? Message-ID: <41D61E4C1F62D111A3B300805FE6B65401A99B06@dalex6.dal.na.levi.com> Juno here. Reading the posts, surfing like crazy over the internet, hearing from everybody about the single legal man, I wonder if there is a site, a place in the cyberuniverse where I could give it a listen. anything will do.. 30 seconds... and MP3 bit.. real audio.. I feel alienated. I live in mexico as i've mentioned before. And i'm about to have a fit. je vais parler de quelques autres choses.. I went to my therapist yesterday and it was the coolest session ever. But I must say here in public that my recovery from years of on and off depression fits came to a rest when I read Jules' Black Fox Fables, i wrote to her and I told her how much I loved those fables.. especially the one where the fox says "is it too much to ask to be treated with a little kidness?" It's amazing, one day there is nothing to live for and you are blinded by sadness.. suddenly a small tale speaks to you... I lost my job, and I'm scared. I have two more months before they give me my check. I refused to move to another town, now I'm unemployed. How random is life. j.u.n.o. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From JENOWL22 at xxx.com Wed May 24 22:28:03 2000 From: JENOWL22 at xxx.com (JENOWL22 at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:28:03 EDT Subject: Sinister: I want to fly, yeh, and visit the cloud people Message-ID: <39.58155a9.265da363@aol.com> Hewwo Sinister, Golly, everyone's leaving all at once. Right. Ok, nobody else leave within the next 6 months or I'll make myself sick through my nose. And cry. Ooh, good thing, I got straight A's a good reports at parents night, so I can stop worrying myself sick, temporarily, about being a complete failure. Bad things have been happening. I'll tell you all about them, because someone might find them midly interesting. So there's a girl, and she wants to set me up with someone, because she thinks this will complete my life. She's not really my friend, but I let her pretend she is sometimes, because I feel sorry for her. She acts, dresses and speaks like a hard kid, but all the hard kids hate her. A sort of mutant hard kid. if you will. Anyway, we're standing in the town centre, and I'm watching the ice skaters, and playing We Rule the School in my head, and feeling generally at peace, when some boy she knows comes up to her, and starts boasting about all the violent things he's been doing. His name's Lee and he's 18, quite nice looking and really tall and a bit leery. Eventually he asks me out, and I'm scared and the girl's pushing me into it, so I say yes, thinking, "oh well he's drunk anyway, he probably will have forgotten about me". Next day, I hear the hard kids mention him, how he's in a really notorious gang, and stuff. So I approach them, timidly, fully expecting to be laughed at or kicked or something, and asked them what he's like. Details. They ask why, and I say that I'm going out with him. They ask me if they age thing bothers me, and I tell them I've been out with boys of that age before, but they don't believe me. They tell me he's been done twice for attempted rape and he always goes for underage girls because he likes easy sex. But then they get relly scared and start doing the "you haven't heard it from me thing". Bluddy grate (that was sarcasm by the way). So I'm stuck with a mega hard kid rapist as a boyfriend. But for the next two days he hangs about outside the school waiting for me, and I manage to avoid him. But today he caught up with me and I told him I didn't think we should go out and ran for it. Now I'm scared that his mates will get me. Or that the slightly thick girl who set us up won't clock on and will give him my address and phone number or something. But on a more cheerful note, I'm not in a band called the Brass Monkeys. Have to toddle off to bed now, Hugs, Jen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From m.waggner at xxx.net Thu May 25 05:05:27 2000 From: m.waggner at xxx.net (Michele Waggner) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 05:05:27 +0100 (GMT/BST) Subject: Sinister: Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:08:19 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bfc5fe$dd7412c0$37aa4f0c@amstech> Bergman-Genge Nuptials Take Place May 23, 2000 Miss Amanda "Swannie" Bergman of New York, New Jersey and Sinister was wed last evening to Mr. Stephen Genge of Portsmouth, England and Sinister. The civil ceremony took place in East Brunswick, New Jersey, with Judge Toto officiating. A religious ceremony will be held this coming autumn. The bride wore a butter yellow coat over a black sheath and carried calla lilies. Her outfit was accessorized with a Dog on Wheels badge (worn rightside up) as a sentimental nod to the band which brought the couple together. Following the ceremony, the celebrants retired to a restaurant for dinner. Sinisterines in attendance included Ned (who originally introduced Amanda to the music of B+S and the Sinister list), Matthew, and this correspondent. Fluffy Sarah made a brief appearance at the nuptial dinner via mobile telephonic connection from Kingston, UK. Mr. and Mrs. Genge became acquainted several years ago on the Sinister mailing list and their love for the music of Belle and Sebastian blossomed into love for each other. The couple will reside in the metropolitan New York area while the bride completes her degree at NYU. Thanks to our own List Mummy and Yenta, Honey, who has made and maintains a place where things like this can happen. --chele +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From liisa00 at xxx.fi Thu May 25 14:16:29 2000 From: liisa00 at xxx.fi (Liisa Kallio) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:16:29 EET DST Subject: Sinister: this day has opened my eyes Message-ID: hello, i�m at uni library writing this, went to see one of my swedish teachers to see how i had done in this translation course, i got a- -,the worst possible grade. i�m so bored and fed with this uni and my studies, it�s just so pointless anyway i don�t have clue what i want to do or what i want to be.all my friends got these fancy summerjobs, they�re so adults engaged and one even has a son,not that i�m jealous. i�m not , i just think that time has gone so fast i�m really scared of the future. i�m ashamed to say how many times i�ve dropped out schools.... f.o.u.r times my parents told me that i�d get send to a shrink, cos i�m a misfit. i wouldn�t mind seeing a shrink though get some nice pills. but i just wish that there�d someone else here who�d be just as screwed up as i am. couldn�t get out of bed one day cos it felt like the safest place to be, listened to joy division whole day, then put the smiths on and listened to "this night has opened my eyes" non-stop... there�s a boy next to me writing with his laptop and speaking to his mobile about the stockmarket...eerie... i guess i should go,go this was my 3rd post, i apologize. xxxx ps. thanks to everyone who helped me with my sonic youth dilemma. bought "sister" yesterday.cheers to you who wrote me about urusei yatsura, i�ll get back to you later. ---- Soitto��net ja ikonit matkapuhelimeen! http://www.iobox.fi/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From m.hester at xxx.uk Thu May 25 12:45:46 2000 From: m.hester at xxx.uk (Hester, Mark (ELS)) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:45:46 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Gates Of Woodford Message-ID: When I was a kid, my parents didn't have a car and we had to make long and complicated bus journeys, involving several transfers, to visit relatives in Essex and Hertfordshire. On one occasion, a trip to Brentwood involved changing buses at a place called Gates of Woodford. In my childish imagination, I conjured up a grand structure of wrought iron, occupying an imposing archway, with perhaps an attendant armed guard to either side, barring the passage of undesirables. But when we actually got there I discovered that Gates of Woodford was actually a car showroom run by a Mr. Gates. I could barely conceal my disappointment. So it was exciting and a great relief to discover that the new single was not a Gates of Woodford experience. It made me think about something Neil Tennant said about pop music (and I don't really want to get into a discussions of genres etc but probably have anyway), about it being not just the music, not just the image, but the whole package. And the packaging is superb. I just had to mention it. I used to have one of those globe calendar thingies. Wow! Occasionally the switch on top would get stuck and the individual plates making up the dates would fan out like the tail feathers of a dove. And incorporating the lyrics into a letter, how cool is that? The cover design lettering reminds me a bit of St Etienne's Foxbase Alpha. It was good to see that many sinisterines are also into St Etienne. My love of "JIADS" is growing exponentially. I can't think of another instrumental that lifts my spirits as much. The sweeping part of St Etienne's "Urban Clearway" comes close but doesn't quite make it. How do they do it? I almost had an explanation about this sort of thing from my friend Ian, whose orchestra had just performed a Grainger piece which conjured up images of the countryside. "How does he do that?" "It's complicated..." said Ian, spotting someone on the other side of the room he really HAD to see. Maybe I was fortunate to be spared an explanation. Trying to explain how music moves people detracts from its mystique. My only criticism would be that 'Winter Wooksie' could do with being a little bit longer, but I fell quite churlish saying so. The more I listen to And the line in "Legal man" about getting out of the office could almost be a personal invitation. "I'm going home now because B&S say so" I'd announce triumphantly! And I've got every reason to, as you'll see presently..... There's a girl in my office, we're call her R., who got a job I really wanted, as Technical Manager. She's not officially supposed to start until 1st June, but they're teaching her stuff already and I can only watch as she is given tons of new exciting things to do, including trips to Amsterdam. I seem to be being gradually eased out of the decision-making process. Not invited to meetings, that kind of thing. As if to say "we're getting rid of you soon, you don't need to know about this." It's harrowing and unfair. I'm sure when I come back from my holidays for the grand total of two days I find I won't have a desk. I'll be an Itinerant Assistant Local Applications Manager, as if my job title wasn't long enough already. R. and R. are watching over it like vultures, waiting for me to disappear. It's by a window and they need natural light to look at artwork. Or so they say. There's so little to do. Especially now. It doesn't matter how many time management courses one goes on, there will always be peaks and troughs and right now it seems that I am in the middle of a particularly deep and cavernous trough. It's capacious and echoey and I find it difficult to even discern the other side. I asked my boss whether there would be any big projects to work on before I leave for Canada on the 8th June. He admitted that there was nothing he could think of. I don't know how he's going to cope when I'm made redundant at the end of next month. He's so forgetful. "I need to ring, you know, Lenny the Lion" he'll say to me, referring to an IT guy called Paul who once had a huge mane of blond hair. Now he has a very sensible, short, military-style haircut. "You mean Paul," I'll say, and supply the 'phone number. No-one else knows who Lenny the Lion is. The poor chap's going to be floundering, I can tell. The lack of satisfaction in the workplace is to some extent counterbalanced by the morning's journey. The first part of it takes me along the Thames (or Isis as it's perversely called in Oxford). Like Ms Daplyn, I have the opportunity to watch the behaviour of the ducks. Three males after one female, but which will score? Sadly I never get the chance to find out, as I need to hurry past Folly Bridge and on to the bus stop. And yes, there actually is a folly, a fairytale castle, where my friend Lizzie used to live. The fairytale aspect was somewhat countered by the flooded basement every time the water level rose. I played the new album before leaving the house today and was humming "The Wrong Girl" as I walked along by the river. It's an odd thing, singing or indeed humming to oneself. If done in an office where everyone's concentrating hard and staring at their screens, it can elicit one of two responses. Either someone will say "You sound happy" and at the present time they will possibly wonder why as well, or else they will scowl and make some comment along the lines of "They shoot dying animals, you know". I think the personal stereo has gone some way to kill off the tendency of singing or humming to oneself, as people will opt to have the original in all its finery rather than commit an act of sacrilege by giving a poor rendition from the depths of their own lungs. Let's hope it isn't killing off composition as well. I used to do a lot of that years ago, when I should have revising for A-levels. The lyrics are all in a big white cardboard box in my parents' spare bedroom, along with Lego, old copies of the NME from when it was good and other paraphenalia. One day I'll excavate them and probably gasp in horror at how introspective they all are. Liisa, what does Soittoäänet ja ikonit matkapuhelimeen! mean...? I'd love to know..... Mark x. -------------------------------------------------- Mark Hester Assistant Local Applications Manager Elsevier Science Limited The Boulevard Langford Lane Oxford OX5 1GB Tel. +44 (0)1865 843455 Fax +44 (0)1865 853319 Web: http://www.elsevier.nl/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From strappingarab at xxx.com Thu May 25 13:21:31 2000 From: strappingarab at xxx.com (robert smith) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 05:21:31 PDT Subject: Sinister: worrying about nothing Message-ID: <20000525122131.22321.qmail@hotmail.com> hello all, just had an exam. i'm sure you don't want too hear about it but for those of you who do i'm going to tell you. i'm still in the stage of not really knowing how it went. hands shaking from too much coffee. the questions i think were either unfairly vague or far to subtle for my panic ridden mind. things like 'what does dickens mean?' come on what do you say to that? you could put so many different topics but none of them will be specifically right. here's another cracker for you, 'does the narrative of notes from the underground succeed in convincing you that two and two does, indeed make five?' huh? whats going on there? oh nevermind i'm sure i'll pass at least but a third class degree wasn't what i was hoping for. oh elena, how i rue my error. i wish i'd eaten your lovely sandwich as i am really really hungery now. i hope everyone learns a lesson from my mistake! much love robert smith aka bob the cat ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From burns_alan29 at xxx.com Thu May 25 13:26:03 2000 From: burns_alan29 at xxx.com (Alan Burns) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:26:03 GMT Subject: Sinister: L, O, V, E, love, it's coming back... Message-ID: <20000525122603.80881.qmail@hotmail.com> hellooooooooooo everyone, apologies for the silence of the last two and a half weeks...*sigh*... ...I'll get this off my chest as quickly as possible, then. having spent a full year being depressingly single, and unable to work, think or concentrate from the gloom, suddenly a very, very nice female-version-of-me turns up, complete with amazing personality, artistic tastes & not-too-shabby CD collection (with much Belle & Sebastian content), and I'm walking around in a daze, unable to work, think or concentrate..... okay, I'm done. and on the down side, I've been writing shite songs ever since, as I only seem to flourish creatively when I'm feeling down, but hey, you can't have everything. and then on Monday, I finally got to hear Legal Man when it came out. do I get the feeling I've been cheated??? or is there some subtle, wickedly parodic explanation for this. Belle & Sebastian, kow-towing to record industry machinations and releasing a three-track single?? you bastards. at least it's all (pretty) good stuff, and if it's any sort of taster for the album I'll be looking forward to that too. don't think I want to hear any of the album before it comes out.....I'm kind of like that with any new album, though, I'd rather wait for it. and I'm not usually that patient with anything else.....hmmmm. anyway, my mind's completely blank, and full of slowly drifting clouds........ this is a mood I don't see much of, as you can probably all guess, so I'm making the most of it....sorreeee again! out of the office and into the springtime, Al. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris_leak at xxx.uk Thu May 25 15:13:52 2000 From: chris_leak at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?CHRIS=20LEAK?=) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:13:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Arlington, Virginia, USA Message-ID: <20000525141352.15390.qmail@web1304.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Sorry about the blatant list abuse but can anyone please mail me privately and tell me what Arlington, Virginia, USA is like? It's just that I may have the opportunity to come and work there. You can mail me at chris.s.leak at baesystems.com. Cheers Leaky P.S. Does anyone know how Legal Man is doing sales wise yet? ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MOUSER at xxx.net Thu May 25 16:13:02 2000 From: MOUSER at xxx.net (Shawn Krueger) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:13:02 -0400 Subject: Sinister: L, O, V, E, love, it's coming back... References: <20000525122603.80881.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <003c01bfc65b$b9a22c80$6f7e9cd1@default> >get the feeling I've been cheated??? >or is there some subtle, wickedly parodic explanation for this. >Belle & Sebastian, kow-towing to record industry machinations and releasing >a three-track single?? Get used to it. The way the things work now in the UK, singles now have to be 3 tracks or fewer in order to be eligible for the charts. Belle & Sebastian and Jeepster want Legal Man to be eligible for the charts which is perfectly normal. Start feeling cheated if you have to buy 2 part B&S singles. Each time a single is bought, it counts toward the charts, natch. So, you get increased sales by making people buy the same single (ie. A side) three or four times to get all the tracks. The extended version of "Judy..." on the 12inch is as close as I'd like to see the band and label go toward this. Although the perverse record collector side of me would probably buy every format anyway because I am a dweeb. Thanks for listening. Shawn Krueger +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pinefox at xxx.com Thu May 25 17:03:09 2000 From: pinefox at xxx.com (P F) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:03:09 GMT Subject: Sinister: I Don't Care About The Truth Message-ID: <20000525160309.15374.qmail@hotmail.com> The couple nearest me were behind me, or to one side, depending on how far I turned in their direction. I have called them a 'couple', but in truth 'pair' or 'duo' would do the job as amply and with more clarity, if also more ambiguity. That is to say, while they were most certainly a pair of individuals of quite opposite sexes, I have no evidence as such, no hard and fast proof, so to speak, that they were actually a 'couple' in the English sense, which if I'm not mistaken (and three decades in that country have not immunized me from the possibility of error) relates to the brand of 'coupling' practised by, or upon, locomotives. In any case, while their 'coupled' status may well have been, indeed was, unclear, to say the least - was indeed a good deal less than evident, indeed not strictly evident in any way at all - what seemed certain to me (though memory has its foibles - who among us can claim to know his own memory? - which mean among other things that even that which appeared clear at a first moment may turn out, not only to be unclear at a later date, but never to have been clear in the first instance itself, could we but recover that instance - a task whose impossibility is built, so to speak - one might even say, in the contemporary language, 'hard-wired' - into its very structure) was that they numbered two, and were travelling together (but this is to go too far; for they may have met at the caf� itself; or they may have been the gayest lovers and yet still made a point of *not* travelling in each other's company, only reuniting at moments of stasis, for reasons of their own, at which we can merely speculate - speculating, for instance, that their forced absence from each other's company was expressly designed to maximise the carnal voracity with which they would fall on one another at the moment of renewed accompaniment; a hypothesis, it must be said, unsupported, indeed flatly contradicted, by my own observation, as has already been indicated) - travelling together, I say, or at least enjoying one another's company at this moment itself, the span of the journey at large being understood to belong to another inquiry; and, I say, that they were indeed members of two sexes which we may (the scepticism of modern genetics notwithstanding) reasonably call diametrically opposed to one another. The young man was drinking a low mug of the local brew, to whose popularity I have already adverted. He was, I should estimate, about 5'4" in height, blue of eye, with a noticeable scar upon his right eyebrow. I found myself, during what ensued, wondering at intervals how the scar had been attained - perhaps in a motorcycle crash, or a freak shaving incident, or some form of bizarre boating accident. His pale-faced companion, sipping from what was perhaps an espresso, was clad in a black that matched her hair, which was indeed quite raven-like in hue. On my travels I have often stopped to observe the youths of the locale, and now as on many earlier occasions I felt a kind of pleasing aesthetic repose to observe a pair of young travellers so even of feature, so healthy of body, so fair on the eye - my tone will not, I trust, be taken by my reader as lascivious in any respect, but rather as tending towards that 'ideal stasis' described by the intellectualizing hero of a well-known bildungsroman published during the Great War; towards such a 'stasis', I repeat, rather than towards the 'kinetic' response also daringly outlined by the same young *philosophe*. And yet I could not avoid noting at the same moment some qualification of youth in our pair, some world-weariness perhaps, some toll of years which could be heard clanging distantly on closer inspection. Their skin was indeed just a little more pocked and lined, their eyes a little more wry, not to say jaded, than one finds in those in the true bloom of youth; and yet withal this only added, for this observer, to the charm of the pair, who seemed to combine in their very being the wisdom of lives already taken in both hands and lived, and the undying joy of unvanquished youth. It was to these pleasing wayfarers, in any case, that I could not prevent myself from listening, as I nursed a small, dark espresso of my own. (There is a tale to be told, by the by, concerning the geographical and historical variations of the concept, or more simply the term, espresso; a tale, however, to which I do not propose to subject the reader during this chapter, or perhaps indeed during this book itself.) He: Well, you know, the thing is, I actually applied to join them She: Who? H: Belle and Sebastian - you know, they lost their bass player to his other band or something, and I actually wrote to them and told them I could fill in if they were interested S: You're joking - would you have been able to play the songs? H: A lot of them are quite easy, aren't they? 'Dylan In The Movies', E, A, E, see-saw sort of stuff, just walking it up and down. I mean, I know a lot of the songs, yeah S: So what did you tell them - did you say who you were? H: Well, I said I'd been in a successful band in the early 90s and I felt my style would fit into theirs quite easily S: I don't think it would. I hope you didn't send a copy of 'Leave Them All Behind' H: No, I sent them some other stuff - stuff I've been practising on myself recently, plus some of the old tracks, the proper stuff S: 'Decay'? That had a wicked intro H: Yeah, that one, and 'Taste', I always liked 'Taste' S: Me too. We all did. We used to dance to it H: Did you? S: Yeah, it's a good thing we didn't say so at the time - you're not meant to dance to your rivals' songs, are you? H: No, that's your own songs - you're not meant to be seen dancing to your own records, that's the thing S: So what did they say? H: Nothing. I never heard back from them She laughed. Her laugh was like sunshine over the slightly dull Central European plain on which, as I have remarked, we were beached. One or two of our fellow caf�-dwellers looked round as if in envy at the source of amusement, or indeed, more probable, at the perfection of her laughter itself. S: Do you think they dance to their own stuff? H: B&S? Yeah, I would - I think it's quite danceable actually. But you have to come from the kind of discos we used to go to to think that S: It'd be nice if they played them and us back to back. Stop people forgetting H: I used to like dancing to that one you did really early on, it sort of stopped and started - 'Drowner'? S: 'Downer' H: But people dance to different kinds of things now - I mean, that's why they've done the new single. It's trying to make people dance S: I couldn't dance to it H: I could, it's fun S: Eugh, no... it's really contrived, it's got that beat that's meant to make people start going like Mike Myers, totally unlike anything they've done before. They should realize that people like dancing to Belle and Sebastian - *I* like dancing to Belle and Sebastian! - cos of the kind of thing they always did - you know, those swinging rhythms like 'She's Losing It' H: 'Get Me Away From Here' S: Yeah - but the least dancey thing is when people go all contrived and start adding dance beats that don't sound natural H: But that's what you did! On 'Lovelife'! S: Uhhh, no, that's not fair... that album was contrived in a different way - I mean, we may have been trying to catch up with what other people were doing, rather than making them try and do what were doing ourselves, but there aren't any dance rhythms on that record H: I mean the song, 'Lovelife' - on 'Split'. That was dancey. And there were remixes. I've got it at home, the 'Suga Bullit Remix' or something. S: Well that's just what I'm talking about - I never really wanted to release remixes like that, because you know they're the one thing that when they come on in a disco everyone's just going to go to the bar or sit down - because it sounds contrived, like it wasn't really our natural thing H: So why do it? S: Oh, I don't know - we were all young and foolish, weren't we? She laughed again. My veins raced a little. S: So that's the thing about the single, but it's not just that - the 60s thing, the retro - I mean, B&S didn't need to resort to that. We never did H: Yes, we did. S: Yeah, I suppose *you* did. She sang, in a voice which I fancied stilled the birds on the surrounding trees. S: I don't know where it comes from - I don't know where it comes from... Like, why does everyone have to end up revisiting the same bits of the past? H: But music is always deriving from the past, innit. I'd like it if people derived from us now S: And the way the girls sing, it's so prissy - they sound like the school choir - the head girls leading it H: That's how they've always sounded, though! Like on 'Mary Jo' the pianos and recorders and that are school instruments. S: But they sound really solemn, really tight-throated H: Like you and Miki S: And that Neil Hannon bit in the middle - oh, it's so disappointing - I really thought B&S were the best band since... H: Since we stopped S: Since *we* stopped! And they seem to be pissing it away H: No, I don't think, I think they're still - Excuse me, can we help you? I rose out of my fascinated reverie to realize that I was bring addressed. My eyes flickered with recognition, but the rest of my body was ill-equipped to respond to the request. For I had leaned over so far towards the pair in the course of their brief exchange that I was, I now realized, perched on the edge of my iron chair, with two fingers stretched in the other direction and still touching the table my only real means of support. I attempted to utter a polite word of greeting. It emerged as a sort of grunt. The pair stared at me with a mixture, I felt to my shame, of distaste and concern, as for an unending moment I sought to steady myself, leaning gradually back towards my own table. When this operation had been achieved with success, I nodded at the young man, grabbed at my collection of short fiction and flapped it open at random. I started reading, frantically, blushing and wheezing with embarrassment and effort, at page 152. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Thu May 25 17:17:53 2000 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:17:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Jimmy Is A Dog Flap Message-ID: <004b01bfc664$caf13d60$df8f183e@default> Hi Twee Majority. A few items on the agenda today ***Edinburgh Picnic*** Okay, in case anyone's forgotten, or hasn't noticed at all, there's a Belle & Sebastian fan picnic (which'll probably become a PUBnic after a few hours) in Edinburgh. The date is June 10th - the time is Noon, the meeting place is underneath the Scott monument in the big park beside Princes Street. Be there, or be an equilateral four-sided shape.... ***Exams*** Good luck to all Sinister people sitting exams at the moment, especially to Amy Jackson and Sweetie, both of whom I have discussed said evil things with previously. And Owen Narrow Wizard, who's got it even worse because he's at uni ***The *** I'm not seeing enough of these, people! I demand that you all start ing like lunatics and give me the appropriate credit for it ***Health*** I was told a few days ago that my lungs have been only operating at 66% what they should be, and I've had bloody dozens of tests done on the blooming things. I find out on tuesday what's wrong. My doctor's *exact* diagnosis of "It could be anything from mild asthma to lung cancer" doesn't exactly make the waiting easier - grr! I'm sure I'll be fine, but if I am going to die then I'll be sure to leave the list a poignant "you were all assholes and I didn't really like you anyway" message just like Baby Chris did It'd be a lie though. I love you all, and this list has done a lot for me in the past months I've been on it - and I wish to thank each and every one of you for that, if nothing else, I've made many new friends, and that means a lot to me. Especial thanks to Honey for keeping it alive. *big hugs all round* ***Congratulations*** Big congratulations to the two newly-weds. I hope you guys have a long and fruitful time together - just remember not to post about the honeymoon night Seriously, though, this only proves just how lovely and great (in all spellings) this list is. It's a boon to so many, and as the sign says "It's where we live" ***Really cute accent alert!*** I spoke to Jeanette Eastwood on the phone for a few moments, and I have to admit that, knowing she was from Texas, I was imagining Peggy Hill's voice comign down the phone, thankfully I was very wrong, and despite her constant denials of the fact, I nominate Jeanette Eastwood's accent for "Cute Accent Of The Year" ***Looper @ King Tut's, Glasgow*** I'm going to this, hopefully with Amy Jackson tagging along too. It's on the same day as the Edinburgh Picnic, I think. If anyone else is going, please look out for a double-sided sign being waved by a rather Greek-looking Scottish boy. One side will say "TWEE" and the other shall be "Sinister is a bit freaky - Stuart David". I hope wee Karn doesn't attack me ***University*** I'm going to be applying to university through the clearence places in August. If anyone else has done this before, could you please mail me privately and give me some idea of how you went about it, and how easy it was. Thanks. ***Belle & Sebastian Content - most of you can skip this bit *** I think that Dick Slap is fine, Winter Wooksie is, admittedly, weaker than the live Bowlie one, but it's still a lovely song, so there :p Legal Man is a boppy, bumpy, helter-skelter, up the belter, fun ride. Leave it alone, it's great ***Ending Paragraph*** I love you all, in many different ways. For some, it's a platonic love, for others, like Honey, it's a rip-roaring passion that'd scorch the pages of history if we ever met It's okay, Honey, I'm kidding, don't be scared. Much. Bye bye everybody, bye bye.... --Jason Andreas If nice guys finish last, then I'll never finish at all... 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gcff at xxx.com Thu May 25 17:17:19 2000 From: gcff at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?GCFF?=) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: God save little shops, china cups and virginity Message-ID: <20000525161719.22228.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> It was the Four Tops all night, encores from stage right charging from the bass knives to the treble... The happy Al Burns said "I only seem to flourish creatively when I'm feeling down, but hey, you can't have everything." I have the same problem but also add to that, when you're supposed to be revising and under pressure. The creativity does indeed flow. I too had a killer exam yesterday, 2 hours 2 questions. I completely forgot all the Marxism i've ever learnt which was a shame because i HAD to write a question on his lovely theories. I was reduced to a gibbering wreck and thought i might try the old 'offer the lecturer £50 to give me a first'. He declined. I knew i should have offered him £100. So i guess like Fiona i'll be either doing re-sits, or as Bob the cat said collecting a third class degree. MMMMM. Can't wait. Have you all seen the mugs?? Aren't they lovely, if we all purchase one i'm sure the band will be able to retire on a lovely little nest egg, while we all sip cold tea. I can’t wait for B&S slippers, towels, watches and theme designed houses. Don't you think Legal Man could be the next song to be used on an advert for Levi jeans? They love using retro pop. We all know what happens to bands that are used in Levi ad campaigns though...they quickly drop off the face of the planet. How about Gap ? I have this vision of the band dancing (all wearing Khakis of course) on a white background, infact i bet at rehersals that’s what they do. Of course B&S would never let their music be used for adverts. It was all a terrible nightmare. For some reason i was expecting more from Legal Man. If their Legal Man was Oscar Zeta Acosta, i'm sure I’d be happier...I'm with Nick D on this one "sod-all personality" and oh my god, it IS the bloody Boo-Radleys doing "Wake Up Boo." I think i may take this back to HMV and ask for my money back, otherwise it may just spend years under the other records i never listen too, especially those ones that the NME and fish rap periodicals give away. I went to an amazing art opening the other night, if you're near the Imperial War Museum in London. I order you to go and see Simon Norfolks photography entitled "For most of it i have no words GENOCIDE, LANDSCAPE, MEMORY" It was...well i didn't have any words for it, bluddy grate doesn't do it justice. Photography is the new Rock n'Roll blah blah blah. Must get back to revising. Just remember watch out the worlds behind you. Giles x __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Ciflux at xxx.com Thu May 25 17:56:17 2000 From: Ciflux at xxx.com (Ciflux at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:56:17 EDT Subject: Sinister: wedding Message-ID: <> As someone who met the love of his own life through the Indiepop List, this is truly heartwarming. Congrats to the happy bride and groom. So strange that East Brunswick, NJ played a role in this, though. I grew up a couple of towns south of East Brunswick, and I spent my share of time at the Brunswick Square Mall as a teen. It's hard to think of EB as a place where cool kids live. Even though there's clearly been at least one in the town's history. :)' mike ciflux at aol.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Tigerxdare at xxx.com Thu May 25 18:23:04 2000 From: Tigerxdare at xxx.com (Tigerxdare at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:23:04 EDT Subject: Sinister: 21st century digital boy Message-ID: <6a.32777ad.265ebb78@aol.com> hello lovely listees, oh it has been awhile since i posted, and i just want to say thanks again to all the people who told me about the youth hostelling. it really was very helpful. alot has been going on lately, first and most important being that i got the most coveted job in the whole world- i got a job at an indie record store!!! it is so much fun and i love it so much. we have every cd in the whole world that any indie fan could possibly want. the store is so rad. i am the only girl who works there which i really love. and we have two cats that live with us in the store. my parents would never let me have a kitten so now i sort of have two. they love me so much. i love my job so much.. my birthday is saturday. i will be 19. so my best friend suprised me yesterday, and for my birthday she got me tickets to the sold out blink 182 and bad religion concert tonight! i love them! it is weird that bad religion is opening for blink 182 though. do you uk kids know who bad religion is? i asked jason andreas and he said he had never heard of them. how could it be? they are amazing! i know everyone here loves indie rock, but sometimes you need a little punk. did anyone here about fran from travis? he was in NYC doing a signing and some guy got up in his face and told him to sign his dick. so fran said, " well my name is only 4 letters long and i dont think that all the letters would fit" . so then the guy pulled out a knife. but then i think all these people jumped on top of the guy with the knife. so it turned out ok...i just found that whole think very humourous. alrite i must be going. love and kisses. xoxo, lauren* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com Thu May 25 07:36:39 2000 From: jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com (Harry Hunt) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:36:39 +1200 Subject: Sinister: Old bands, mild, talk like pleasance. Message-ID: <20000525174533.2350.qmail@hotmail.com> There, I left it a dram before I wrote again. Thought it were only polite. The other day I bought TWO items for £2.99 a piece. The new Beta Band single, and the Cosmopolitan Virtual Makeover, SPECIAL edition. Anyone wanting beauty tips come to me. I'm servicing Richard Whitely and Anne Robinson first though. Realised, like, that a legacy is important. Saving a few lives is good, but in the big big big big scheme of things, is a very small pump in a very large hurricane. I need to make a substantial difference, or at least be seen to have made an effort. Gadgets, too. Someone else would've discovered Penicilin if Fleming hadn't. So I came up with this plan, to make a website that started a utopian society of shared spiritual wealth and that. Rest assured I'll tell you all when it falls flat. I've got an anti-tradition Jihad, see. I can't STAND when people have surrogate free wills. Sounds sanktymoneus but it really irks. It's as if they're waiting for the reward for a perfect life score, and it's all a load of old Luke Goss if you ask me. You didn't, but you read this far. I recently came off antidepressants. It's a bit tricky convincing yourself you're enjoying the seizures and nightmares. I fear pity, but like, keeping it to yourself is rubbish too. Had to do the "No, this is my route, honest, bye" thing today to ditch a stiff, so to speak. I hate living in fear of annoying social interaction, rather than just growing candour cajones and telling someone they BORE and DEPRESS me and I'd sooner listen to Cypress Hill than touch what they have to say for themself with a forty-two metre auditory barge pole. At least my spending habit's going down. Anti-bought lots of stuff today, that is to say I got to the point many times where I would have bought some random object, for a commerce fix, and managed to convince myself to put it back. Quite proud, and narked that not getting something, yields no tangible rewards. B&S content isn't obligatory, to the Georgie Best of my knowledge, so I've not put any. I have, however, used lots of words that appear in B&S tracks. See if you can spot them all, gullibullies! I'm going now, to brush my teeth and play with my distraction. Love Harry PS. Body parts don't count in Spanish, do they? PPS. *starts to worry about the words "body" and "parts"* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sanangel22 at xxx.com Thu May 25 19:22:58 2000 From: sanangel22 at xxx.com (Jarrod San Angel) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:22:58 PDT Subject: Sinister: "Legal Man" song sound quality Message-ID: <20000525182258.13499.qmail@hotmail.com> Unless it's my Phillips boombox - and it may well be - the sound quality on the song "Legal Man" is either purposely brassy, trebley, and a wee bit distorted, or it's my wax-caked ears. I first noticed the quality of the recording when I attempted, unsuccessfully, to raise the volume of the song. At high volume, the guitar/sitar really seems to distort, and the chorus seems to boil over into noise as well. It's great noise - don't get me wrong - I think the song is fab.. but either my stereo sucks, or I got a bum copy of the song. Has anyone else experienced/thought this? **Jarrod** ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dee at xxx.ie Thu May 25 20:52:17 2000 From: dee at xxx.ie (Denise Power) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:52:17 +0100 (IST) Subject: Sinister: hurley dreams of the time when she was a horse in chechoslovakia Message-ID: wassup! Just finished my 3day tidying room binge and it looks great. Chris evans once said that only a student could take a day to tidy their room so I don't know what this makes me but it was very very messy. And only moderately so now. To someone who commented on the words in the uncle ray song ; you're so right except I think it sounds more like ~drake pissed to put the drink out,. admittedly on first listen I thought the words were "the trick is ..." but if we start on this thread we could be here all night. I actually got the looper album given to me upon exiting an exam that didnt go very well. I was also given the NME with stuie on the cover. I don't think his earring is very fetching but I earnerstly think we should write to NME, they challenged us to for crying out loud, and I'm sure JEnowl can attest to what happens kids when you ignore the challenge. In effect NME have claimed us , cmon theres 1300 of us, we can take them easily. Despite my rowdy attempt for solidarity, in classic student politician mode, I actually have not penned a letter myself but will. When my sickness goes away. Yes, very ill in all sorts of disgusting ways and feel slightly afraid to leave the house incase I have an attack. Have done lots of ironing and wathcing of day time tv programmes. I have a question :did belle and sebastian write a song called Pocketbook angel? And why is it completely unaccessible ? and songs like hurleys having dreams and london has let me down ; where are they? No offence to the kind person who taped it for me but the quality is awful.I often turn up music and rarely turn it down again but yesterday found myself grimacing lots while covering my ears and reaching out to turn down the assault that hit the airwaves. You might have noticed, the distinct lack of structure to this post, that is because i am fighting against the clock , I have to type fast and furiously to beat the memory lapses and bouts of illnesses that I have suffering at the moment. You wouldnt believe I actually started this last night but abandonned it for the favoured foetal position on the bathroom floor which can be a more productive means of curing ailments that sitting up at a computer. Must add my twoppence to the legal man thing. please dont ignore. Why is everyone on such a hating isobel lark all the time? when I first joined the list ages ago, it was commonplace to comment lots about how cute and sweet she was, never but a fond word was sent her way. Now howver it is only nastiness and bitterness. I dont think the directorial focus of legal man is as atrocious as we are led to believe. But it is not a good video in that it doesnt enhance the song at all. I've been watching alot of MTV recently. I actually am quite besotted with ralf from select and am seriously considering being betrothed to him. Oh and I had a belle and sebastian dream the other night - first ever- but I cant remember it - sorry. It wasnt fantastic at any rate, moderate to fair... Oh and grrrr : the paper I'm with have recently made contact with jeepster and got loads of new jeepster stuff - and blast it anyway ; the dopey editor cowface took all the cds for her-popmusic loving-self. So now she is a proud owner of the new B-S album and I'm not. There is no justice or piety. The lecturer who I fancy , slammed the door in my afce yesterday. I think he thinks I m a pest. But I'm just planning ahead incase things dont work out with ralf. Oh today I was looking wistfully at photographs because I am addicted to staying in and I spotted a photo of me in my gentle waves tshirt and my friend caroline of list crush fame in her study at stow one, (copying me) Its the kind of photo we should send in really except we are horrifically drunk and people would make cruel and uncompliementing remarks but it made me laugh beacuse I remembered how the nice man in avalache records went to such lengths to get me to buy it - i just liked the print , having never even heard a single tamborine beat and slightly weak note sung by them at the time, and I saw the stereolab cd (the double one) for a tenner but foolishly decided not to buy it then which resulted in me having to buy it much later at a much dearer price. well for once, I change my tune and say keep those emails coming because this sick wee child has nothing else to do other than read them. A few dear diary type ones mailed privately to me would be much appreciated. anyhow, I've been out of bed for almost 3 hours now - time for a lie down. later, dee ________________________________________ Disclaimer : the information which is obtained through a quiet perusal of these emails should be absorbed by osmosis. Allow one to two years for the genius of each and every intentional spelling mistake and grammtical error to sink in for maximum effect. Recognising that Denise sometimes embellishes stories and leans towards outright lies is important for your own acumen of the holistic elements of the emails. Should your knee get itchy whilst you read emails from Denise, she is completely unresponsible unless of course, she happens to be tickling your knee. Then it is right and proper to stick something smaller than your elbow into her ear with the sole purpose to hurt her. That'll teach her. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From FearofMops at xxx.com Thu May 25 20:59:51 2000 From: FearofMops at xxx.com (FearofMops at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:59:51 EDT Subject: Sinister: Judy is a Punk Rocker Message-ID: <68.3e2d9c4.265ee037@aol.com> eeek. i've been pulled out of lurkerdom. lauren said: it is weird that bad religion is opening for blink 182 though. do you uk kids know who bad religion is? yes it is odd that they're opening for blink 182. i love bad religion but could do without most of the blink 182 catalog. i find it doubly odd that uk listees don't know about them. speaking of odd....the "Legal Man" single wasn't supposed to come out until May 22nd, according to the Jeepster site. yet while taking a stroll through my local cd warehouse last wednesday, they had 3 copies of it. of course i snatched it right up. i thought maybe the release date was changed, but everything i've read indicates the date was May 22nd. anyway i'm confuzzed. yet another thing i don't understand is this much maligned NME article on our lovely B&S. i've searched the NME website and have found no trace of said article, which is thoroughly annoying since i want to read it. on a more personal note, i just returned from the lovely state of North Carolina to witness my cousin's graduation from Chapel Hill. quite a raucous affair it was. i'm used to stuffy, boring, formal ceremonies indoors. i guess they have different ideas in Dixie. i get the feeling this rambling post has already bored you enuff. ciao. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mistersouthwick at xxx.com Thu May 25 21:24:56 2000 From: mistersouthwick at xxx.com (David Southwick) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: True Confessions Message-ID: <20000525202456.2630.qmail@web4102.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, I have a confession to make. Yesterday I stole a book from the library, a large Brice Marden monograph. It was a crime of passion. He's my favorite. Let me tell you, when I walked undetected through the detectors it was orgasmic. I groaned and made funny noises. Like crack, this was only fun until I got home. I couldn't believe how irrational and impulsive I could be. Doctors say that stealing is compensation for something, usually love. But books are the only things to steal that make sense. Later in the evening I began thinking about my job. I work for an art dealer. My boss, VH, has a stellar library. Aside from a few computers and desks it's all books. Some time around bed time it hit me. VH is intimidating. My stealing books is a subconcious way of increasing my manhood to be of equal to my boss. I want my library to be as long as hers. I'm scared of my conclusion, but I'm not compeled to stop either. I am depraved and I'm going to wallow in it. I had thought that I was comfortable with myself but I now realize that I have issues too. My sister is encouraging and wants to be my sidekick. Your David P.S. I'm really glad to be here. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From thespinisterines at xxx.com Thu May 25 21:29:35 2000 From: thespinisterines at xxx.com (Velocity Girl & Lleweth) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:29:35 GMT Subject: Sinister: The Spinisterine Manifesto..... Message-ID: <20000525202935.52912.qmail@hotmail.com> The Spinisterines recently held a press conference session to announce their new Spinister Sinister Manifesto. Though the details are sketchy, rumors are that there was a lot of strawberry tea, lemon cookies, and crochters present. In the near future, there will be a transcript of the full event and a streamed video so that you can see what happened and better understand the context of some of their responses. So far, only Gleek the Space Monkey has reported on the event and since he only twitters there isn't much to go on.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Laura: Requests to don shawls and join and list crush votes have amassed all in the name of SPINISTER SINISTER. Even future cabana boy Stuart Murdoch was heard pleading, "I don't care about anything Bobbie Gilespie has to say; all I care about is Velocity Girl!" Obviously, it is time to address the fact that everyone and their favorite crooner wants to be a Spinisterine. You thought we were hiding. You thought we were letting ourselves rust away while letting the strawberry tea go cold. Our rocking chairs and crochet hooks have been gathering dust as we have prepared to MANIFEST ourselves to the world. A SPECTRE IS HAUNTING SINISTER - the spectre of Spinisterines. All the Powers of old have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Honey and list members, nursery tots and #sinister chatters, milk maids and crocheters, papercut stars and authors. *Velocity Girl shoves Laura out of the limelight and begins to list.. As she does, Laura begins to pick imaginary lint off of her shirt and make mental commentaries to herself* Velocity Girl: 1. What shall all the spinisterine powers do? We've come together for a sole reason - to remain single... (To herself) Laura: Doesn't it defy logic, to come together to remain alone? Velocity Girl: 2. Spinisterism is an emotional tension that raises the sword of inconsequence... (To herself) Laura: I thought arms raised swords. What are we Jedi Knights? Do we have the force? Somehow I doubt Vel is going around murmuring ^�Size matters not.^� ^�Do or do not. There is no try.^� ^�I^�d rather kiss a wookie!^� Or maybe she does... hmmm. Velocity Girl: 3. Spinisterines stand for life without lies and necessities that derive from the human need against loneliness - every pore of our spinisterine body opposes to this necessity. *Laura is still to busy chuckling at the mental image of Vel kissing a wookie.* Velocity Girl: 4. Our purpose is that we have no purpose... Laura: *randomly sings to herself* I'd rather have two boys at twenty-two each than one guy at forty-four! Velocity Girl: 5. Spinisterine is a virgin virus - logic that is ratified by the senses is an organic disease... (To Herself) Laura: "Virgin Virus". Finally, some alliteration! Sadly, there hasn't been any mention of books..... Wait, virgin?!?!? *Laura begins to pay attention* Velocity Girl: Herewith, these are the tenets of the SPINISTERINE MANIFESTO. If anyone wants to join The Spinisterines we are now taking applications. Laura: But be forewarned, we are not an equal opportunity group of spinisters. Having a shawl and lots of cats doesn^�t cut it in the spinisterine world anymore, sucker. ~~~~ "By the time you swear you're his, shivering and sighing, and he vows his passion is infinite, undying - lady make a note of this: one of you is lying" -- Dorothy Parker +------------------------------------------------------------------+ +--------+ Brought to you by Spinister Sinister +---------+ The herbal tea drinking, mad crocheting single girls who spread ramblings, good will, literary lists, and afghans to the masses. +-+ "Dubious Duo of Duende Dowagers" "Curious Couple of Cuties" +-+ +-----+ "Paramount Pair Of Paradisical Paradox" +-----+ +--+ "Spinisterines are a bit finicky." - Gleek the Space Monkey +--+ +------------------------------------------------------------------+ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From michael at xxx.net Thu May 25 23:48:52 2000 From: michael at xxx.net (Michael Cronshaw) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 23:48:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Much time (and space?) in my mind Message-ID: <003a01bfc69b$6e171420$02000003@oemcomputer> Halo peeps Has anyone else thought of a conspiracy theory concerning Legal Man and its artwork? To me it suggests that B&S are unhappy with Jeepster and all the bureaucratic malarky that they impose on the band: long mixing times for the records, love affair between sleeve artist and legal man (?), big (unnecessary) expenditures on bank account, letter of contract extension dated 1998 (not to be renewed?), Katrina looming over paperwork with scissors in hand (having left Jeepster?). Is Stevie playing the part of Jeepster's legal man, with THE LOVELY Bel and Maisons wielding gun, rope and dagger behind him? Or is that just what they want us to think? Or is that just what they want us to think that they think that we think that they think that we think? I particularly like the retro globe piggy bank, and the picture frame like the ones we were forced to make at skool. But what does it all mean?!!! I like to read too much into things, makes humdrum life more melodramatic. Hopefully the artwork also suggests that Middle Distance will be the next single, but I'm only saying that because I think it's definitely a 'single', in that it's a catchy song which I got bored with after a few listens. I recently acquired Lordy Antony and Pocketbook Angel, which I infinitely prefer (esp the former) Pleeeeeeese let them be the B-sides. And would it be GRAYT if Dick Flap appeared on another release, but with singing (a la Century of Fake Elvises)? Kishes Mikey Michael.x P.S. I like Clinic's album I hope you do too. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From melvisco at xxx.com Fri May 26 00:08:33 2000 From: melvisco at xxx.com (molly dahl) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:08:33 -0400 Subject: Sinister: I like to do nothing in particular. Message-ID: <412256948F134D11781300807CFBC69C@melvisco.francemail.com> Hey Now Children, I do hope this message finds all 1300 of you in fabulous spirits. I at the moment am procrastinating yet again. I'm taking summer classes. "Why?" you ask. I'll tell you: I'm a moron. Actually, I'm still a moron, but I just want to get ahead on classes so I can graduate on time. "Graduating on time is over-rated" I'm sure is exactly what you're saying at this moment. While it probably is indeed, it makes quite a bit of sense when you're in Buffalo, NY. As soon as you can get yourself out of here, that is the best thing you can do. Therefore, I guess I'm not totally foolish in that respect. Nonetheless, I should be studying for a Statistics quiz... or exam (whichever you prefer). Ehh, it will get done... eventually. As of late, it's come to my attention that I am incapable to listen to certain songs due to connections with past romantic interests (that obviously have ended badly due to my inability to listen those aforementioned songs). It's really quite unfortunate and annoying all at the same time. I know this sounds horrible, but unless I have something completely consuming on my mind, I cannot bring myself to listen to "Like Dylan In The Movies" due to 2 fellows that were obsessed with that song with whom I was kind-of-sort-of-not-almost-involved with. Ugh! And it's not the first time I've been avoiding certain songs for this exact reason. Shame on me, really. But you know what? I shouldn't let these ridiculous (no, I'm not bitter) boys deter me from music. They're not worthy of preventing me from not listening to good music because of their own stupidity. Oh dear, I'm not cranky, really... Oh yes! Will any Toronto Sinisterites be in attendance at the Primal Scream concert this Tuesday, the 29th of May? I should be polite and extend this to any potential Buffalo listees, but I indeed may be the only one. Yes, I shall be there. I'll be the one in black. Let me be a bit more vague, if you will. No no, I'll be sporting red boots and curly shortish blonde hair. Now, I have nothing to say about this political direction and the rebellion against vowels that Primal Scream, excuse me, PRML SCRM, has taken lately. All I want to do is have some Guiness and dance. Wow, this e-mail has helped me waste more time than I thought possible. Hooray. Off to not study... allsmelove, molly ps- Everyone should listen to the Lilys. They make me happy. Francemail Votre email gratuit. http://www.francemail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From damien at xxx.au Fri May 26 00:25:56 2000 From: damien at xxx.au (damienfranciscathalfrost) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:25:56 +1000 Subject: Sinister: sydney b&s album launch Message-ID: <392DB67D.9F9E60B3@blandmedia.com.au> hey and hi, more or less trivial information for anyone on this list not from sydney, i don't think it has been mentioned, but there is an album launch there tonight (friday) at the gaelic club (i suppose sydney doesn't have a scottish club and besides, the irish still have funny accents in addition to cheap drinks!) it's at 64 devonshire st. central and there will be album giveaways and badges and stuff like that. in addition yours truly will be playing, in addition to a couple of other more able dj's hating to sound like an advertisement but i thought some of you would like to know. is there anyone from sydney on this list? anyway, the pop frenzy kids have made a web page http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~tbc/popfrenzy2/popnews.html for your perusal so there. -d] oh and on another note, can anyone give me a bit of a low down on the radio scene in london? aside from the commercial stations, do you folk have community radio ? cheers °°°°°°°°°°°°°::°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° http://www.renewal.org.au/object °°°°°°°°°::°°°°°°°°° http://www.renewal.org.au/loser °°°°°°::°°°°°° http://www.renewal.org.au/frost +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Bertrand.Caron at xxx.se Fri May 26 08:01:42 2000 From: Bertrand.Caron at xxx.se (Bertrand Caron) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:01:42 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Looper in Stockholm on sunday References: <20000525160309.15374.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <392E2156.1046CA64@uab.ericsson.se> I was wondering if there was any meeting or anything planned between people of the list for the gig of looper on Sunday? Bertrand +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sweetie_something at xxx.com Fri May 26 12:30:37 2000 From: sweetie_something at xxx.com (sweetie something) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:30:37 GMT Subject: Sinister: time time time time time time Message-ID: <20000526113037.39548.qmail@hotmail.com> sinister how r we all? im much better thanx to the yucky penny sillin i had my higher english exam on tue and it still never happened yesterday i went to falkirk with my mates snowflake pam and grant frog there were children singing up the town we sat and watched them the wee lassies fancied grant i bought legal man thats not true i only had 85p 1 cent snowflake bought me legal man then we went to mcdonalds grant frog bought me my lunch and we were joined by tam, chris, duffy and beattie and we sat for an hour and a half and laughed at innocent passers by and didnt get kicked out :) then chris had to go to work he works in stationary box so the rest of us stayed in mcdonalds and watched and waited till he had to clean the windows then tam (useless info: tam used to own tbwtas) ran across the street and grabbed him from behind chris got a fright and got window cleaning stuff over a few ppl :) then grant gave me a fright and i stood back onto a child which proceeded to start crying- loudly :/ then we walked through the howgate for no reason and the dreamcast was free in woollies so duffy challenged me to a game of boxing ive never played one b4 so he thought he would win so i whipped his ass 2x so have gave up then tam played me and i whipped his ass too even tho duffy tried to distract me by tickling me but i was wearing my tickle-proof jacket so it didnt work-ha! then today i was in a bad mood coz call barring was on so i couldnt call snowflake so i poened my window wide and played legal man offensively loud that cheered me up immensely :) so from me thats all time out! sweetie xox ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From liisa00 at xxx.fi Fri May 26 14:32:12 2000 From: liisa00 at xxx.fi (Liisa Kallio) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:32:12 EET DST Subject: Sinister: The dance isnt important old sport! Message-ID: c�est moi... i feel better today, thanks to everyone who wrote me, i�m glad i got style, tell it to my folks!:) i just ordered 4 cds looper, delgados, and 2 nick drake (pink moon and five leaves left). yesterday i was so confused that i got into a wrong bus, i had to walk to my flat in the rain. i listened to "sister" and "this night has opened my eyes" over and over again. i�m still scared though, but i try not think too much, cos that�s what i always do think too much and then start worrying. i signed up for this summer exam, so that i wouldn�t feel completely useless, doing nothing the whole summer. david s. wrote that he steals books from library, i do too.i don�t know why, i never read them, but them in the self and them mum asks when do you have to return this? i just say that in couple of weeks or so. i�ve stolen plath, camus, eric fromm�s escape from freedom, all the biggies, the last one was eric hobsbawn�s nationalism. i know i shouldn�t steal anything from library, it�s okay to steal from big stores. but i�ve never stolen anything from a store except when i was a kid 4 or 5 year-old, i stole candies and a sticker, but i thought they were free. but i can�t say i feel that quilty for stealing books. is kim gordon really going to be 47 this year? i can�t believe it, but it gives me some hope. she said she used to be a tomboy, i was too. i wanted to be a boy and become a police, but not anymore. i like thurston and kim, they�re probably the healthiest couple in the world. i wish b+s would do a punk cover, i�d like to see stuart shouting and looking really angry:) dressed in black. okay, i�ll go now, sure, just cilck the delete button. throw your homework into fire!--the smiths :) xxxx ps.mlysgaard in dk. i�ll try to write to you tomorrow :)! ps. the subject line is from the great gatsby ---- Soitto��net ja ikonit matkapuhelimeen! http://www.iobox.fi/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alex at xxx.uk Fri May 26 17:28:01 2000 From: alex at xxx.uk (AP Tobin) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:28:01 +0200 Subject: Sinister: why is the NME trying so hard to be the enemy? Message-ID: sorry if this has been posted before, but... latest NME (27 May, page 27, article about eurovision song contest...): "[...] while socially inadequate and physically malformed trainspotters, taking time off rom the Belle & Sebastian chat-room, hunt for autographs in packs". what the fuck? not only is this written - yet again - by swells aka steven wells, but it is fully irrelevant and out of place in the context of the article, proving that it's just a bloody piss-take to get people like me writing in. anybody know what drugs the man is on and where i can get some? ta, alex ------------------------------------------------------------ Co-Editor, The Kinda Muzik You Like Alex Tobin Runstraat 11.3 1016 GJ Amsterdam The Netherlands THE KINDA MUZIK YOU LIKE indie/pop/rock webzine @ http://www.kindamuzik.net ------------------------------------------------------------ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk Fri May 26 18:12:59 2000 From: amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk (amy_jackson0) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:12:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: daphne and celeste vs buffalo g>>>>the fight i'd pay to see Message-ID: <000d01bfc735$a5decf20$40073c3e@tinypc> howdedoody, how's it hanging?!! well, at the moment, je suis tres heureuse, parce que je suis allais a la piquenique a Edinbourg!! sorry for all you non-french speakers (and probs you french speakers too), i had my higher french exam today and it's all stuck in my head, after the damn exam, typical eh?!!.......had english, art and maths, english and art went okay i think, should get b's anyways, maths was a bit of a bugger (our teacher decided not to teach us half the stuff that was in the exam. oh hurrah.) but god knows how i'll do in the results....answers on a postcard please.... anyway, i'm going to the embra picnic!!!!!! a mystery benefactor recently secretly gave me a crisp twenty pound note to contribute towards my train fare....this person knows who they are and i am forever indebted to you!!!! I WILL PAY YOU BACK THOUGH!!! oh, i digress.......yep, i certainly should be hitting the streets of edinburgh on the 10th, then off to glasgow to see the divine looper avec mon ami(!!!!!!) that night which i cannot wait for cos i absolutely love looper. t'would be better if it was b&s that were playing of course, but i'll have to wait for that.....so yes, it'll be grand.....i don't quite know what to expect mind, is it a bit of b&s karaoke in a park, or something as vicious as footie or what??? :o) am listening to "she's losing it" at the moment.....oft overlooked by myself, but that makes it all the more special when i rediscover it.....could possibly be my fave b&s song, but then again i only have to hear the first wee twiddly guitar bit at the start of llpj and i'm dancing about like a tigger high on sunny delight, so i dunno......i wonder what the results of the b&s poll thingy was......... am thinking of getting my haircut. at the moment, it's a sort of layered, chin length mess of dark brown and copper fluff (all natural of course, don't use dye cos i'm too scared i'll hate it! sad huh?!), and i need a change! i don't want it too short, but it's really getting on my nerves at the moment, so i dunno.....maybe i'll wait until b4 t in the park..... i like legal man a lot. it's so summery and shimmery and it makes me smile even when stuck revising (*ahem*) and although "loneliness of a middle distance runner" is great, i do love legal man too.....y'never know, it might get released soon.......i wish......i am falling in love with so many songs at the moment.....i adore "babylon" by david gray, it's sublime, as is "facts of life" by black box recorder, and "don't i hold you" by wheat and "tears on the golfcourse" by laeto (think something along the lines of mogwai and you're there) and oh so many others that would take forever to list......i've come to the conclusion that most great songs don't actually make it very high in the charts, so if legal man doesn't either then we can take it as a sign of quality and taste, rather than failure (which it most definitely is not)......though if it gets high in the charts (i hear no. 11 calling too...) then that's cool too! oh, i'm all going round in circles now.... has anyone else been confronted by the fearsome sight that is buffalo g? i was subjected to them on cd:uk the other week, i nearly choked on my frosties, i mean, the lassie with the major curly hair, it looks like she needs to be plugged into the national grid each night to get it that curly, and she looks like a horse.....and they are far too violent and perhaps offensive too, as are daphne and celeste, have you seen their adverts? in magazines they have an advert saying "UGLY" in huge writing, and it says to "cut it out and stick it on the back of someone you think is ugly!!" (~~~thinks for a while~~~) c'mon, that is just plain mean, but i have the terrible feeling that one will be suspended from my spine soon...... daphne and celeste and buffalo g are evil, maybe we should round them up and lock them in a room together to see who'd die first.... my money's on the curly haired slacker from buffalo g......i could open a six pack of whoop-ass on her easily, grr.... (~attempt a fearsome scowl.....and fail~) well, on that rather violent and very unlike-me note, i shall head off into the wild blue yonder once more, btw, love hearts are the greatest sweeties around, along with sherbet dips, jelly tots and irn bru (#irn bru, irn bru, irn bru-irn bru-irn bru# (c) Tartan Army, France '98) *big hugs*, littlebelle XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "close your eyes, let me take you to the sun" Dot Allison ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From NOGOODNIK at xxx.net Fri May 26 18:29:26 2000 From: NOGOODNIK at xxx.net (christa) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:29:26 -0400 Subject: Sinister: don't forget about the time on the beach... fireworks above us... Message-ID: <001a01bfc737$f1ac68c0$dd76fc3f@e44e9> i'll try to make this worth your while, though i'm not making any promises- i think its great that B&S are going for the singles charts... more power to them. do you know what it would take for them to chart over here in the US? christ, i don't even want to think about it. Stuart would be donning red sequined catsuits and they'd have to book an arena tour sponsored by Taco Bell and Clearasil. hey wait, that would be kindof cool. get jeepster on the phone! i got two Clientele 7"s today and i am ecstatic. its a gorgeous day- sunny and blue-skied and breezy, and this yellow vinyl ('6am in morningside'!!) is just making me swoon! swoonable. "there's too much love" is also swoonable. i was literally sobbing listening to it the other day. (ok, i have issues.) but that's all i'll say about it before the boot comes down on me. i don't want to ruin the new songs for anyone. our beloved sibling lesliejo sent me a gift package that i received yesterday in great pomp. dried flowers cushioned the candy and colorful starry beaded bracelet and locket and writings inside. swoonable. she's been quiet lately, though i know she is in the process of moving, so her computer is probably shut down... an action i should quickly imitate. its so beautiful outside. why am i in here writing nothingness to you lovely people? i'm trying to convince my old man to take a trip to the UK with me this summer. i've been there and am dying to go back, but he doesn't seem so into it. so, i want listees on the other side of the sea to write me (privately, of course) listing wonderful things about your great nation (Fanta comes to mind); and i'm going to compile them all and present them to him. he cannot resist me for long, and with your help i will be taking a lovely holiday in july or august. come on people, give a sister a break! i'm going to finish my laundry and start packing for my long weekend at the shore. (i want you) more than ever, .christa. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk Fri May 26 19:04:47 2000 From: amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk (amy_jackson0) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 19:04:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: daphne&celeste vs buffalo g Message-ID: <003301bfc73c$e28e3940$0e023c3e@tinypc> howdedoody, how's it hanging?!! well, at the moment, je suis tres heureuse, parce que je suis allais a la piquenique a Edinbourg!! sorry for all you non-french speakers (and probs you french speakers too), i had my higher french exam today and it's all stuck in my head, after the damn exam, typical eh?!!.......had english, art and maths, english and art went okay i think, should get b's anyways, maths was a bit of a bugger (our teacher decided not to teach us half the stuff that was in the exam. oh hurrah.) but god knows how i'll do in the results....answers on a postcard please.... anyway, i'm going to the embra picnic!!!!!! a mystery benefactor recently secretly gave me a crisp twenty pound note to contribute towards my train fare....this person knows who they are and i am forever indebted to you!!!! I WILL PAY YOU BACK THOUGH!!! oh, i digress.......yep, i certainly should be hitting the streets of edinburgh on the 10th, then off to glasgow to see the divine looper avec mon ami(!!!!!!) that night which i cannot wait for cos i absolutely love looper. t'would be better if it was b&s that were playing of course, but i'll have to wait for that.....so yes, it'll be grand.....i don't quite know what to expect mind, is it a bit of b&s karaoke in a park, or something as vicious as footie or what??? :o) am listening to "she's losing it" at the moment.....oft overlooked by myself, but that makes it all the more special when i rediscover it.....could possibly be my fave b&s song, but then again i only have to hear the first wee twiddly guitar bit at the start of llpj and i'm dancing about like a tigger high on sunny delight, so i dunno......i wonder what the results of the b&s poll thingy was......... am thinking of getting my haircut. at the moment, it's a sort of layered, chin length mess of dark brown and copper fluff (all natural of course, don't use dye cos i'm too scared i'll hate it! sad huh?!), and i need a change! i don't want it too short, but it's really getting on my nerves at the moment, so i dunno.....maybe i'll wait until b4 t in the park..... i like legal man a lot. it's so summery and shimmery and it makes me smile even when stuck revising (*ahem*) and although "loneliness of a middle distance runner" is great, i do love legal man too.....y'never know, it might get released soon.......i wish......i am falling in love with so many songs at the moment.....i adore "babylon" by david gray, it's sublime, as is "facts of life" by black box recorder, and "don't i hold you" by wheat and "tears on the golfcourse" by laeto (think something along the lines of mogwai and you're there) and oh so many others that would take forever to list......i've come to the conclusion that most great songs don't actually make it very high in the charts, so if legal man doesn't either then we can take it as a sign of quality and taste, rather than failure (which it most definitely is not)......though if it gets high in the charts (i hear no. 11 calling too...) then that's cool too! oh, i'm all going round in circles now.... has anyone else been confronted by the fearsome sight that is buffalo g? i was subjected to them on cd:uk the other week, i nearly choked on my frosties, i mean, the lassie with the major curly hair, it looks like she needs to be plugged into the national grid each night to get it that curly, and she looks like a horse.....and they are far too violent and perhaps offensive too, as are daphne and celeste, have you seen their adverts? in magazines they have an advert saying "UGLY" in huge writing, and it says to "cut it out and stick it on the back of someone you think is ugly!!" (~~~thinks for a while~~~) c'mon, that is just plain mean, but i have the terrible feeling that one will be suspended from my spine soon...... daphne and celeste and buffalo g are evil, maybe we should round them up and lock them in a room together to see who'd die first.... my money's on the curly haired slacker from buffalo g......i could open a six pack of whoop-ass on her easily, grr.... (~attempt a fearsome scowl.....and fail~) well, on that rather violent and very unlike-me note, i shall head off into the wild blue yonder once more, btw, love hearts are the greatest sweeties around, along with sherbet dips, jelly tots and irn bru (#irn bru, irn bru, irn bru-irn bru-irn bru# (c) Tartan Army, France '98) *big hugs*, littlebelle XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "close your eyes, let me take you to the sun" Dot Allison ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nessa_fmjod at xxx.com Fri May 26 20:09:27 2000 From: nessa_fmjod at xxx.com (nessa) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:09:27 -0700 Subject: Sinister: struan to swells in the style of daphne + celeste: 'oh stick you' Message-ID: obviously, thats a lie. I prefer dnc to buffalo g. the blonde girl from buffalo g looks like the aphex twin distorted face thing in the come to daddy video. dnc are sex obsessed and this is highly unusual for teeny pop stars. They even can bring themselves to like Slipknot... which is nigh impossible for me... on topic: belle + sebastian. Good band. Yes. + more list abuse: dublin people, the picnics the weekend after this one. Don't forget. Since the weather is bad now it should be good then. 'kay? nessa --- ********************** get your free gURLmAIL at http://www.gURLmAIL.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alexander.bartilson at xxx.com Fri May 26 20:47:54 2000 From: alexander.bartilson at xxx.com (Alexander Bartilson) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:47:54 +0200 Subject: Sinister: I might be feeling sinister Message-ID: <007601bfc74b$966158e0$01727180@alex> hi, haven't written in a couple of weeks cause I've had to study. Haven't had time to read the messages either so now I have very much to read, that's fine. I have mixed feelings about this week. On Monday I failed my driving licence test (don't really know what it's called in English). That was shite. Now I have to practice a bit more and wait till the end of August to get a new try. The good thing about this week is that yesterday was my last day in school. I have now finished (the equivalence to) upper secondary school. I will graduate on the 8th of June but I have no more lesson. That's great. Tomorrow I'm going to the Looper / Salako gig in Gothenburg, Sweden. That's going to be great too, I hope. Anyone else going? Well that's all for now. ///Alexander +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Sat May 27 01:44:29 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 12:44:29 +1200 Subject: Sinister: random thoughts 2 Message-ID: <001101bfc779$5f15d5e0$bf6137d2@computer> ***LEGAL MAN*** VERY infectious. I can't stop listening to it. Although I don't really think it is a particularly good way to introduce the general populace to the band. But ... err ... it's certainly not a sell-out. Unless electic sitars and lyrics about the legal profession are selling out. ***POSTCARD RECORDS*** Last week Johan talked a little about Postcard Recordings of Scotland. I quote from Q magazine: "The Velvet Underground's Sterling Morrison once said that all he and Lou Reed really wanted was to play like Ike Turner. Only Orange Juice ever sounded like they knew what he meant. Between 1980 and 1984 the Glaswegians defined the chaste, shambling tenor of the coming indie guitar wave but did so with a heart full of Hi-soul." I think this quote could similarly be ascribed to Belle & Sebastian. I think merely calling them an "indie" band really devalues their craft of their songs. All very well to slag them off for taking two years and spending far too much money on the new album, but I'm sure they would have spent far more time on "Tigermilk" and "Sinist*r" had they been given the opportunity. I like to think of Belle & Sebastian as a blue-eyed soul band, as their music has such an incredible emotional effect on me. ***HEFNER*** Would somebody lik to mail me off-line and tell me more about this band. Lots of people on the list appear to like them. I've never heard them, and buying one of their albums would require me to order it from overseas, never having heard anything. So if someone would like to tell me what they sound like, what the singer's voice is like (important!), lyrics etc., I would be much appreciative. If someone would offer to go the extra mile and make me a mix tape there is no end to what I'd do for them ..... ***A CRAP NIGHT OUT*** Oh how I hate pubs. Well, New Zealand pubs, which are quite different from the English pubs I have been in. Yesterday was my girlfriend Vanessa's last day at her current placement (she's a doctor) and there was a going-away thing for her and her registrar. Initially I wsn't invited, because nobody was bringing partners, which made me quite happy, because I wouldn't have to sit around making idle chit-chat about the medical profession with people I will no doubt never meet again. Anyway, then partners were invited, so I had to go. We turned up at this new pub in this horrible new suburban mall type place, which, only a few years ago was farmland. Anyway, I have *never* been to such a loud, smokey and thoroughly obnoxious place in all my life. Actually, it competes with the Mogwai gig I went to last year as loudest thing ever ..... So there was I was, feeling a little too conspicious in bellbottoms and a Delgados t-shirt, being introduced to all these people like so Vanessa (screaming): "LAWRENCE, THIS IS ....(insert name of doctor/nurse here)" Lawrence: (quietly) "hi" Person: "HELLO! SO, YOU'RE VANESSA'S FIANCE, ARE YOU? Lawrence: "errr ...yes" Person: "WELL, LOVELY TO HAVE MET YOU." (now - repeat the exact same conversation over and over again .... sigh) I came home feeling like my head was going to explode, and listened to Air's "The Virgin Suicides" to calm me down. Now listen, all 1200 or so of you ..... go out and buy that album. It is the most sublime, dark and wonderful music I have heard in a long time. Pop music can have a wonderful effect when one feels like collapsing. ***TBWTAS*** Bought above mentioned album on 12" vinyl yesterday. I traded in a bunch of crap CDs and got said LP (I don't even have a record player, but I like the cover so much .....), an Air DVD called "Sleeping, Eating Waiting and Playing" and Talk Talk's "Spirit of Eden". And I still have $40.00 credit. Ahhhhhhhh. ***RIDE*** Interesting story about Ride's bass player. Amazing that "Nowhere" came out 10 years ago. How will Mick Cooke play trumpet and bass at the same time??? Well ... time to go and do some work. Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From idleberry at xxx.com Sat May 27 11:06:52 2000 From: idleberry at xxx.com (idle berry) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 03:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: ekk! exams! nooo! you can't make me do it! Message-ID: <20000527100652.9639.qmail@web614.mail.yahoo.com> thats my BAD word of the day. Exams. More effective than any swear word, and likely to send shudders down the spine of anyone in education. Its a really evil little word, and today, on a lovely blustery May Saturday, the last Saturday of May this year, and I have my very own e.x.a.m. in two and a half hours. Now why on earth do they do this to me? On a Saturday? its all a bit rubbish. But I'm hoping to pull through this exam, and not have to burst into tears to get some sort of help. I've been sitting trying to remember what I have to remember... 50-65% tax in Scandinavia.... 2/3 of best working years as pension... SDP main party... low unemployment.... unemployment insurance =75% ofaverage income.. parental leave = 80% of salary.... Carl Gustav XVI of Sweden... 45% of pariliment in sweden is female.... its all so much! But I sort of have ideas of how Scandinavia functions. Its all pretty similar from country to country... I hope... I have this odd feeling in my stomach, like I might have accidentally eaten my brain for breakfast, and its not where it should be, and instead I feel a little strange... change of subject! the GOOD flatmate, who likes B+S isn't keen on the new single. I've been meaning to buy it, but I haven't had the chance, what with exams, packing, and spending long evenings in chat rooms to avoid going home.I think I quite like it now. EVEN THOUGH IT IS THE EUROTRASH TUNE. I heard an advert last night, Eurotrash is coming back. I think it could be more amusing to think of B+S hosting Eurotrash. Mmm. heck, the single is still better than what else is on offer, right? And I also came to a strange conclusion last night. I might be wrong, and you might blast me about this, but this is how it is. steve lamaq interviews B+S stevie. gets accused of sucking up to him. Steven Wells (I think we have to many people with a similar name thing going on here) interviews Stuart Murdoch. And he becomes the sinister most wanted... dead or alive. (Maybe theres too many S's. Was there a thing I'm not aware of, that offspring are named with an initial, like car registrations?) I am glad I'm not a music reporter. you lot would fry me alive. Or maybe its just finding a balance somewhere between the two. Maybe Stevie should have interview Stuart and vice versa. Actually, I think that could be a good idea! and they could do it while hosting Eurotrash. Sorry, just trying to get my mind off things... And now I got legal man stuck in my head. Last exam I had it was Looper Mondeo77. Uh oh... thinking about the e.x.a.m again. well, good luck to all taking exams. And this is my words of advice: you're intelligence can not be graded by a piece of paper in one day. Well, thats what I'm hoping for. Later! love, Idles ===== http://www.geocities.com/idleberry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From curled_up at xxx.com Sat May 27 12:12:03 2000 From: curled_up at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?carey=20lander?=) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 04:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: hold onto your hats! Message-ID: <20000527111203.1289.qmail@web4206.mail.yahoo.com> good morning i was just watching CD:UK like you do and they had Legal Man as number 9 in the charts. i nearly threw up my tea and biscuits! i knew we were expecting a good chart position but thats TOP 10! we'll have to wait till tomorrow for the proper charts i suppose but i thought i'd share my surprisedness with you, if thats ok. im too shocked to make any sort of worthless comment and i made more spelling mistakes than you can imagine writing this... well done anyway chaps :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vilkas at xxx.com Sat May 27 04:45:56 2000 From: vilkas at xxx.com (Vilkas D'Angelo-Horvath) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:45:56 -0400 Subject: Sinister: "Legal Man" Message-ID: <200005270341.XAA04652@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> I think it's yr stereo? I played it at neighbor-pestering volumes and it came out great. More swirling like a rollercoaster than warbly. But that was on my pimpin' home stereo...the first listen was on my car stereo (driving on I95 with the Air Conditioner on full blast)...which leaves a *lot* to be desired, the car stereo that is (it's almost mono). Anyway, it sounded kinda...um...flat on the car stereo. I don't know tho, I've not listened to it on a stereo that wasn't very very good or very very bad. I think Judy is a Dick Slap, flaccid as well as extended versions, (>:)), sounds like hardcore trance as made by Kate Bush. This is a *good* thing. I am pleased yet confused by Winter Wooksie, the live version vs. the thumpin' single version. It's kinda cool...to me they're like two totally differant songs. More songs yaaaay. Enjoy the single kids, Vilkas ---------- >From: "Jarrod San Angel" >To: sinister at missprint.org >Subject: Sinister: "Legal Man" song sound quality >Date: Thu, May 25, 2000, 2:22 PM > > Unless it's my Phillips boombox - and it may well be - the sound quality >on the song "Legal Man" is either purposely brassy, trebley, and a wee bit >distorted, or it's my wax-caked ears. > > I first noticed the quality of the recording when I attempted, >unsuccessfully, to raise the volume of the song. At high volume, the >guitar/sitar really seems to distort, and the chorus seems to boil over into >noise as well. It's great noise - don't get me wrong - I think the song is >fab.. but either my stereo sucks, or I got a bum copy of the song. > > Has anyone else experienced/thought this? > > **Jarrod** >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ > +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ > +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ > +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ > +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From JENOWL22 at xxx.com Sat May 27 15:49:59 2000 From: JENOWL22 at xxx.com (JENOWL22 at xxx.com) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 10:49:59 EDT Subject: Sinister: The Lonliness of doing 400 metres and being last again (in grate twee style) Message-ID: <46.5e6f5dd.26613a97@aol.com> Hewwo, We did 400 metres in PE yesterday, and instead of running round the track and getting out of breath and making an idiot of myself (last time we did 400m, I tripped over my lace and fell, and I was bleeding and everything and the teacher still made me carry on), I figured that if I was going to come last, I might as well do it in style. So I skipped round the track with a buttercup in my hair, and refused to do anything else when the teacher yelled at me to run properly. I managed the spectacularly bad time of 2mins 30secs, but I'm telling you, it was a massive triumph of twee. All the nerdy and misfit people clapped me when I finished and it was worth the hassle the hard kids gave me later on. I'm going to be in a pantomime, and some of the kids there have decided to form a band with me, so I'm well happy. So far we've got two singers, two guitarists, a drummer, and an E flat Tenor Horn. I also might be allowed to go to the grate edinburgh picnic, so yay. I went to see Final Destination last night, and you know how the adverts where people are screaming and stuff and it says 'actual audience reaction', well, believe me, it's true. People were being sick and screaming and me and my friend just clutched on to each other for the whole film, it was so scary. It's scarier than the Exorcist, The Omen, the Blair Witch Project and Spiceworld the Movie all rolled into one. I'm going to toddle off now, Toodle-pip! Hugs, Jen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glen.mitchell at xxx.com Sat May 27 18:35:49 2000 From: glen.mitchell at xxx.com (Glen) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:35:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Steven Wells is claimed in the name of Jeepster Message-ID: <00a701bfc802$1a146fe0$8996073e@oemcomputer> "This one's called "Steven Wells is claimed in the name of Jeepster"." This is how the mighty Snow Patrol introduced one of their new songs at the BBC music live/evening session thing on Thursday. Quite suprised I'm the only one to pick up on that. They were, let's be honest, fairly crap, but their now-deleted debut album was absolutley beautiful. They come from my home town too. Not much else to say for now so todalloo! Glen PS Jen I'll e-mail you soon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From james at xxx.uk Sat May 27 18:57:00 2000 From: james at xxx.uk (James Glossop) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:57:00 +0100 Subject: Sinister: is what you need to be to come up with a band name like "festival of the dead deer" Message-ID: <003101bfc805$31b80b40$f434073e@glossop> hi kids you probably don't know me [<-nominated for the worst start to a post ever]. i don't think. and whatever i say i'm really afraid that people will have said it recently, y'know, like if i say "i hardly ever post, but i've decided to do this now" i am worried that someone would reach their wits end with posts like that, blow a fuse and go homicidal with a machine gun around their place of work. and i definitely wouldn't want to be held responsible for something like that. i dunno, it might even be kinda cliched to say all of the above. but that's gettin' a bit deep for my little head, y'know? i unfortunately have exams too. i guess at least a third of the list will have them. they're the first really official one's i've ever done; gcse's. they're not going all that bad. i've done about half of them now. i have 17 in total... you make me jealous you pesky a-level students you. only three, or four. and next year in college they're gonna force me to do more a-levels than the people in the years before me. goddamit. am i alone feeling that when an exam's over i don't actually think "ahh, all that hard work paid off, now i can spend a summer wasting before going to collect my 27 A's", it's more like "thank god that shit's over with, i'll never have to learn about convectional and relief and frontal rainfall ever-a-bloody-gain. the stupidity continues..... it's probably doing something wrong by asking, but do you still have web-site sweetie? plus, is it too late to feel sorry for jenowl? goddam hard kids. i think the only option is to get 'em telled, y'know? i ask too many questions..... the only argument you need against the enemy/ nme is that they like that eminem guy....... don't they? case CLOsed. b&s. i went to that offbeat thing in sheffield. which was cool. err, what was her name, err, i think pwl or something asked me why i don't post, so if you're getting bored or offended by now, blame her, that's were the inspiration to post came from :) also, i always thought that it would be pretty much impossible to dance to a song like "the state that i am in", but it happened, well, i didn't dance personally, i kinda made some abortive attempts at moving my shoulders a bit, but i always get the impression that even though everyone else is doing a similar thing, i'd be laughed at and beaten into the ground with (they're-free-but-you-have-to-pay-for-them :)) lolly pops. there was another problem that i had got it into my head that everyone there had to be on sinister, so like i started talking to someone about it and realised what a moron i am. really edge of the seat stuff, this is, no? the final note is i was so proud to see the guy who spun out all the toonz in the train station on my way home. i think it's chris, so if you're listenin' chris, err, hi. oh, and finally, i was waiting for my train home this morning (in the same train station where mike's dreams take place for all you black-den-frequenters, it's such a privalege!) and there were two girls with scottish accents waiting for a train, they looked up at the screen displaying the details about the train i was about to board and saw that along the way it stopped at "work-shop". it makes me SO angry when people 'diss my beautiful town. it's goddam worksop!! and it's a haven of beautiful, different people, just 'cos you've got a totally cool accent doesn't mean you can reduce the town i live in to a bad joke in front of people waiting around us. oh, you'll pay, hahahahahaahahah. i mean, what?...... i'll be honest and say that i wouldn't say legal man is infectious. it's quite good, though. bye for now, love and specially-grown-for-that-concentrated-sweet-flavour cherry tomatoes -JiM-/ jim/ james/ james glossop/ that little prick who follows mike around. now listening to: in bloom by some obscure band called "nirvana" ICQ: 72321925 PS: time to cut 'n' paste it, oh king! you could even post........ :) i don't believe in any of that fate claptrap! "i'm a rabbit in your headlights. scared of the spotlight" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!exclamation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!marks!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Sat May 27 22:20:28 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 09:20:28 +1200 Subject: Sinister: NME (again .... sigh) Message-ID: <005a01bfc824$7dac87a0$626137d2@computer> ***NME*** Steven Wells will be first against the wall when the revolution comes! I don't know if anyone who bought the Stuart M issue of NME got as far as the "Angst" page, but up at the top there is the statement "Come on Belle & Sebastian fans ... we're expecting you" I have this feeling that the NME *really* wants to make us look like fools. I don't know if anyone remembers this far back, but five or six years ago the Manics fan was the subject of derision and mockery by said magazine. However, since the Manics have descended from agit-punk to MOR pop (and before anyone starts sending me hate-mail, I *like* the Manics) their fans aren't such an easy target. ...... And then we come along. I just hope that of the mail NME receives feom the B&S camp, they print some coherent and well written letters, and not just silly ones to make us look stupid. I wouldn't count on it though. Matybe I should cancel my subscription to NME.com in protest. ***ILL FATED AUCKLAND PICNIC/MEET UP*** This is a good, but sad story. I met one of my best freinds on the notice board of the Belle & Sebastian website. Early last year I posted the simple message "New Zealand fans?" on the site, and waited for the replies to come flooding in. Ha! A week later I got an e-mail from a guy called Dave who happened to live 10 minutes away. We e-mailed or a few weeks and finally met, and have been great freinds ever since. Anyway, last year we thought we'd try tio organise a meet up. Borders had sold a fair amount of copies of "Tigermilk" (we used to check every week!) So we figured there must be some more fans lurking out there. So I made little posters, and set a time and place, and stuck them up in all the indie record stores in Auckland. The appointed hour came, and Dave and I turned up at the nominated cafe at the nominated time, him with his "Study at Stow" t-shirt, me with my B&S buttoms on my denim jacket. And we waited, looking furtively at anyone with a vaguely floppy fringe, hoping ... praying that we'd found some fans. And of course no one came. (sigh) And now Dave has gone to the UK. So my girlfriend has to pretend she's interested in pop music to stop me from going mad. Have a nice weekend, kids, Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dee at xxx.ie Sun May 28 00:15:34 2000 From: dee at xxx.ie (Denise Power) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 00:15:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: I'm tired of playing the healing process game Message-ID: ____________________________ hello list. *sister convert. purchase of legal man. eavesdropping intrigue. sighing about boys. I was allowed out for three hours tonight. I feel like such a grandma, feeling cold, complaining about loud music, taking my pills, having naps- its not all fun and games you know. Bought legal man today and converted my sister into a b&S fan. It was easy. Strangely, I was sitting with her earlier, and to my surprise she seemed to be humming a b&S song. could this be possible , I wondered to myself. but how... "what are you humming." i demanded, in an overly aggressive manner considering the mildness of my content. "em, the lesbain song, the mel c one." "oh yes" i nodded, briskly. That cleared that up anyway. I like legal man, I informed the list in a desperate attempt to display my wonderful grasp of the english language. But winter wooskie sounds alot different to it did when I heard them play in dublin. A conversation I heard in the toilets made me laugh lots. two girls (young ones) were in the cubicle beside me and had strong dublin accents. (You'll need to put them on to fully appreciate the content here) girl #1 "so we war, ya naow, kissin' girl#2 "yeaaaa" girl#1 "and he was loike, uhhh, and I was loike, he he, and ya noaw the way when ya jist geh loike da'" girl"yeaaa" girl" you know, loike, "Dat!'" so I had him" girl#2"on yer sofa?" girl#1"yeaaa, he he, I jist had him, you know." girl#2"whoy din ye go back ta his plaace?" girl#1"cos,ya knaow it waz on da way. and he was loike,"get away" girl#2"jeesus, are ye serious, he he" both laugh. heartily. i wiped and scampered. oh and tonight, (whiny my diary bit) I met a boy who I was madly in love with this time last year. Who i pined for alot of the summer. Who in seeing again, felt strange slightly familiar feelings becoming rekindled. So I went home. our hands touched. I know I'm going to dream about him tonight. He used to say, "things have a way of working themselves out." Which usually means , no closure. Sometimes i pretend I dont need closure but I really do. Okay I'm waffling. Sorry. adios mochuelos. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From melissa.thornton at xxx.ca Sun May 28 03:59:33 2000 From: melissa.thornton at xxx.ca (MelissaThornton) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 22:59:33 -0400 Subject: Sinister: it's not melissa, it's emily! ....or "when 32% goes awry" Message-ID: <39308B94.AD4CD100@utoronto.ca> EMILY: hmm....i never post, i don't know how i got on this thing but we are currently trying to waste time before heading out to throw-up (er..blow-up). and i don't know why i am going there again this weekend...i need to take my brain medication. TERI: ... emily: teri's saying that she doesn't know what to write and is rambling and brainstorming and i'm thinking that it has something to do with her having just drank my share of some sort of overly sweet overly alcoholic drink. teri: desert liqueur, emily, desert liqueur! emily: oh..."desert liqueur"..is that what the kids are calling it these days.... teri: i think this should be a rite of passage for every listee - get really drunk with a fellow sinisterine and then send a message to the list.... emily: i don't know what you're talking about; i'm stone cold sober... but we never actually post so i don't think anyone is going to be at all interested in this...which, of course makes it all the more exciting.. teri: well, emily: ok, i'm taking over typing duties for the time being...and i heard "legal man" last weekend andd all that i could think of with the disco lights blinding me was how much it sounded like the theme song from BATMAN. "da da da da da da Batman!" but then again i'm an unemployed nanny (i basically quit after the first day because it was like trying to take care of someone trying to get off heroin...and we all know how much fun that is ...am i right people!)..oh what was i talking about???? teri: emily, i thought i asked you not to bring up my little habit in such a public forum!!!! emily: yeah, ummm...fun game of badminton we had today, hey? teri: yes, i do believe that badminton should be the official sinister sport. emily: well, i wouldn't go that far you dummy. teri: is it time to dance yet? emily: i don't know what you're talking about, i'm not dancing. dancing has been outlawed...didn't you hear. officer: we were just strolling by along the lake and couldn't help but over hear talk about dancing...we just wanted to make sure that everyone was doing the newest teen craze: "the quietly sitting". emily: yep, sitting, quiet, yep. officer: don't you think that all these people on the list have had just about enough of your terrible attempt to write something at all entertaining? emily: um...i think i am seeing some serious police brutality in my near future. officer: uhh, i think we just got a call for a car theft downtown. we're leaving! teri: now emily, let's do some real DANCING!!! emily: ok, i think you should go home now. yours etc. emily. (and teri)xxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From keleidoscopic at xxx.com Sun May 28 09:35:00 2000 From: keleidoscopic at xxx.com (Chris Paluch) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 01:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Everything was Green, Now it is Grey.... Message-ID: <20000528083500.29252.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Sinister people, I have not posted for a few weeks for lack of a fickle brain box. I am officially done with university. It was not an exciting occassion, I skipped the ceremony to see essex green, in fact I got to hang out with them. For those who do not know, essex green is a spin off of ladybug transistor, well sorta. The next day i moved out of my house in the US's prime example of urban decay(Peoria), and moved back to Chicago, then took a plane to find a place in Vermont. Since I have never been to vermont, i was amazed...it was beautiful...everything was green. I cannot really write much about the trip other than i found a place, with a decent landlord (ok he is an award winning novelist, which made me feel special, especially compared to the Peoria slumlords). Then i arrived back in Chicago to a crisis the day i get back. I cannot give to many details on this, it is a little to personal. It was resolved though rather quickly. Then for the next few days i did nothing but well do nothing, well maybe visit a freind or two i have not seen in months, and screw around with my Roland JX8P(which i am now discovering is wonderful for B3, farfisa, and ep sounds). That and introduce my mom to B&S...I was not suprised she liked it...she goes to music fests with me, alot, we have similiar taste. Plus she weened me on a healthy dose of Simon and Garfunkel, and other folky stuff. So i have been, well bored, but in bliss at the same time for the past few days...Yeah a bit of a loner, I only have two freinds in chicago, but everybody loses friends to time and death, me more time than death, and i am only 21. Kinda weird, plus I am afriad to make freinds now since i am moving in two months...that and the fear of falling in love than moving does not sound like much fun. Summer is going to be a bore, but right now, i would be perfectly fine with that. Yes, I bought legal man, it is nice that there are now singles releases through matador here in the US, made it alot less painful to get a copy it. Can't wait for the new album. Goodbye, Chris Paluch ===== The sole member of the Lost Letter Society A society dedicated to turtle lovers everywhere. Http://www.mp3.com/LostLetterSociety __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From julesmarkham at xxx.net Sun May 28 10:29:51 2000 From: julesmarkham at xxx.net (julesmarkham) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 10:29:51 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I've nothing against experiencing life... Message-ID: <009701bfc887$5ac40840$0f14ac3e@tonygeorge> hey folks I have been silent of late, I know. forgive me, but I have been stretched on the anvil of life and the world has been hammering upon me like a cheap lump of aluminium. I met a guy who was nice enough, until he got me drunk, slept with me, then kicked me out of his house like I was a whore. my granddads bones are seizing up, and he's starting to crumble like chalk. It's like watching one of those speeded up films of a mountain being eroded by wind and rain and time. there is this pain inside me, too high to be my cervix, to low to be my heart, like a long needle has been pushed into my navel. It's been here for three days, since that guy pulled on his shirt and told me to leave, not even looking me in the eye. I've worked my way down the list of possibilities like a scientific experiment. It isn't hunger, it isn't love, or fear, or panic. This dull ache that wont be eased by sodium bicarbonate, milk, massage or sleep. It isn't an ulcer or digestive troubles. All I can imagine it must be is geology. strata's of rock are formed by minerals, pressure and time. perhaps I am going through an evolutionary phase? perhaps my body has collected the dust in the air and is lining my body with rock. The pain inside me is layer upon layer of stone, an internal wall. perhaps I am forming an exoskeleton, tomorrow I will be a spider... I have nothing against experiencing life, just that somedays its weight is more than I can bare. there is dust in the corner of my eyes where there should be tears. but now I have lapsed into bad poetry, and I need to sleep. there is a black fox who once had a rock for a heart. she sings in her sleep, a smudge of charcoal in the darkness. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From comedy_mafia at xxx.com Sun May 28 15:48:49 2000 From: comedy_mafia at xxx.com (Colin Anderson) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 15:48:49 BST Subject: Sinister: grow up (... sigh) Message-ID: <20000528144849.93073.qmail@hotmail.com> >Steven Wells will be first against the wall when the revolution comes! And who amongst you bunch of victims is going to risk damaging your cardigans in a revolution? None of you, and thank god, because any revolution that even insincerely targets a writer, simply for not sharing your taste in music/lifestyle, as an enemy of the new republic, is going to struggle to find support amongst sane people. How ridiculous, yeah I (i if you prefer) think Belle and Sebastian are great (means the same as grate but is the grown up spelling), but if Swells prefers the prodigy then that's up to him. Any victimisation of belle and sebastian fans in the press is due to people like some of those on this list, who take it too far. Just as a past generation of kids took manics fandom too far, when they all started carving 4REAL in their arms. If you behave like a dick then your gonna get slapped. If you genuinely want to wear cardigans and stuff then good luck to you, but if you're doing it because you want to be *like* belle and sebastian then snap out of it. They are original, you are just clones. Can't you just enjoy the music? Its fine to relate to stuff, if you are an indie kid at school and you dress a bit trampy then the townies are going to pick on you, but don't intentionally alienate yourselves further just so that you can feel like a beautiful and unique snowflake, don't gaze at flowers and clouds just to then think how sensitive you are. And don't go around declaring how twee you are, because that implies some sort of self-conscious alienation from society and even Stuart M says its bad to be self-conscious. Twee is fine if you genuinely are a child and hop-scotch and riding your raleigh chopper up and down the street is what you do for kicks, even nostalgia for your childhood is reasonable enough but once you are old enough to fuck (sorry about the language), and you do fuck (sorry again), then you have to accept that you have left that part of your life behind, and have no business calling yourself twee. Fine skip to the music with limpen wrists at the star and garter, not fine taking the whole thing too seriously and turning it into some sort of alternative to having a personality. I'll get my coat... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bellezc at xxx.com Sun May 28 16:02:23 2000 From: bellezc at xxx.com (zoe charaktinou) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:02:23 PDT Subject: Sinister: legal spinsters... Message-ID: <20000528150224.60306.qmail@hotmail.com> hello..... u people.... impressive....ANYWAY... on friday i bought LEGAL MAN.(by the way i thought that the official release date was the 26th,plus HOW COME EVERYONE HAS HEARD THE NEW ALBUM???).i've always thought that there are things about the list that i don't know or i can't get to...in the summer when i'll be having my own internet connection and time i'll find everything... as i was saying, i bought the single... hmm.....I WAS SURPRISED....!!!!now,i've put my boyfriend in the B&S trip...(he actually likes them!!!!but he's irish so ....) WE were surprised.he liked the song first.then i put it on repeat and it grew on me...it is retro retro retro as ...nick said(?)-sorry i don't remember well.yes i agree.i am a bit skeptical myself....i don't know i'll think about it...but i do like it.it makes me happy.... now judy...is ok.i like it. winter wookskie is nice tooooooooo...like ice cream..... nevertheless i have this comment from my boyfriend.if anyone knows anything please HELP!!!!the song reminds him of another song from the late 70s.both the tune and the chorus are very familiar to him.any ideas???? I would like to announce that i've found my way to the turntables.... the almighty greek dwarf with the newly acquired red hair and the welsh accent(!!!!) has hit the turntables of wolves SU... we-well my boyfriend and then the whole gang here-managed to get the union for rawk nights...we'll try and establish it for next year... (rawk because if u consider what's usually on....).so friends and neighbours bring their cds and we make it through the night.i djd for 1 hr last thursday and again this thursday.... when i played she's losing it,a boy came to me and thanked me for playing the song because "i really love it!!!".... good ey??? so an all time dream has come true.... now a comment on spinisterine sinisterines etc.... ALL THIS TIME THAT I WAS SINGLE THIS DIDN'T EXIST AND NOW...... GOOD LUCK GIRLS...(CAN I SUPPORT U UNDERGROUND????) ONE FOR MRS PARKER WHOM WE ALL RESPECT..... and a last comment;what i love in this place is that it makes me go AWWWWWWWWW!!!!every now and again...i mean where elese can u find people that know fanny and zooey or mrs d parker,or hal hartley or the beats or whatever....u know... it's been a while for me but i'll do my best over the summer... and sth else-if the band gives concerts around the uk now that i'm away i have to say this:i am sad... i'll go now... love you all...(hen and vel i've missed you...) zo... ps.on thirsday legal man will hit wolves su....i'll make people groove... ps2.has anyone seen million dollar hotel???i liked it and i like the ost as well...ok so i like u2.... shoot me... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris.jones at xxx.uk Sun May 28 16:16:45 2000 From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Tue, 28 May 2000 16:16:45 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Pay attention child, you talk like a pheasant Message-ID: <200005281532.QAA03361@smtp.saqnet.co.uk> Perhaps I have been dozing a bit, so apologies if this has already come up, but what is the nice little tune that comes at the end of "Dick Slap"? Is it anything to do with the song, or is it a not very well hidden, hidden track? Chris Jones. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alexander.bartilson at xxx.com Sun May 28 15:58:55 2000 From: alexander.bartilson at xxx.com (Alexander Bartilson) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 16:58:55 +0200 Subject: Sinister: the pain of being a helpless unbeliever Message-ID: <008301bfc8b7$bb2ca9a0$01727180@alex> Hi, saw Salako and Looper yesterday and thought I'd tell you something about the night. I've never been to the place before and it was rather nice. And the people there seemed nice. But I didn't see anyone with Belle & Sebastian t-shirts or badges or anything. Anyway, was a bit disappointed with the DJ. Or rather with the music he played. Thought that WHEN they played Legal Man I'd get up and dance my feet off. Not really. But they didn't play Legal Man, they didn't even play B & S. Well, concerning the concerts. Salako entered the stage around 23.30. They asked in anyone had heard of a band called Salako. Nobody said anything, including me. Guess I'm too shy/twee. Then they started playing and they were great, really great. There was some punters in front of the stage who was totally crazy. One of them started clapping his hand before a song started and the singer said that if he wanted to clap his hand could he please do it in time to the music. He couldn't. Later another maniac started to mix with the base players pedals. The singer told the guy to stop or he would come down and smack his face. That was fun. Then a guard came and removed the two punters. Looper was great too. They started with some songs that I can imagine are from the first album. I don't have the first and have ordered the second but not received it yet. The songs were spoken-words songs so that's why I think they were from the first album. Anyway, those first songs were a bit dull live. But then they played Mondo '77 followed by "on the flipside", "cut your money hair" and some other songs that I can't remember right now. Those songs really rocked. It was great. I bought a Salako t-shirt and some badges. One (badge) that says "Jeepster own my soul" and another one with the "disques Jeepster international" logo found on the "legal man". Anyway, it was a great night. About the sinister t-shirt. Maybe it should say "To be or not to be Twee". Or is that just ridiculous. yeah it probably is. ///Alexander +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From twinkle at xxx.uk Sun May 28 17:59:30 2000 From: twinkle at xxx.uk (Florence) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 17:59:30 +0100 Subject: Sinister: number 15 Message-ID: <000f01bfc8c6$1a54ad20$de2b883e@fivvwrpw> Yay! Just suffered the Radio One charts for the first time in years... and it was worth it! Number 15!!!!! Congratulations to the band. Does this mean we'll get that TOTP appearance at long last? florence xx ____________________________________________________________ Pink Lemonade with Twinkle at www.CamdenTownNW1.freeserve.co.uk "I still want to get my hair cut just like Jean Seberg" - Marine Research +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From starpiekat at xxx.uk Sun May 28 18:36:37 2000 From: starpiekat at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Sarah=20Clarke?=) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 18:36:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: One Day, Paranoia, One Day.... Message-ID: <20000528173637.11534.qmail@web1702.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Sinister kids, my Sexual Intellectuals, How is everyone on the list who has gained roots and flourished well since I last posted, in the yeah 65BC or something? I'd like to say a big um, "word up" to Cheles post thanking the fragrant Miss Honey for running this super list which makes it possible for people to like, ....gulp..."do it", and stuff...and congrats to Amanda and Steve, who now they have tied the knot, now can enjoy the full promise of nuptial rites. Super! Almost makes me want to get married meself. But white is SO not my colour. Legal Man got to number nine in the Pop Charts! What a to do. Whatever its knockers (knockers, heehee) may say about it, its vocals aren't exactly the grandest things in the world. The "Maisonettes" (ahahaha how funny, the Maisonettes, don't you see thats a clever name for a bunch for girl singers one of which who has an arse the size of... I needn't finish this joke need I) are ever so slightly weak, and as for Stevie, well bless. I like his voice. He's a honey. The thing is that for a song which starts out with the promise of being The Best Dancing Song in the world ever*, should have some kinda soul sireeen on it, or some honey tonsiled silky smooth suave lothario, crooning and wailing and hitting such high notes that all the boys have to cross their legs? As much as I love Stuart... well I'll let him off. Anyway I was going to say I'm glad the vocals are a little "messy" shall we say, as I get to sing along and sound good, instead of like a twat. Which I am not. I am good and super. Honest. But it's all about Pop isn't it? After seeing off my friend for quite probably GOOD at the train station the other day, I bimbled across Waterloo bridge. I had been humming Legal Spam all day, and suddenly I realised why - when the sun started to shine brightly, and I played the game known in my circles, as "Dodge The Capitalist Be-Suited Bastards, 67 Points Extra If One Of Them Turns Out To Be Adrian Evans"...and... what can I say my friends. Get out of the city, and into the sunshine! It was a Pop Moment, and it worked. Didn't someone say it was all about moments? They have said it was all about Momus, actually. I wouldn't know if they were right or not about that. All I know about Momus is that he has an eyepatch thing, and I saw him at Other Music in NYC, did I? Or was that someone else. Ooh, speaking of NYC, I hope Megan and Julie from NYC are back there safe and sound after their globe-trotting boy-snogging adventures recently. Cos I'm nice like that. I saw Susan Tully at the Whistler gig yesterday. You think I lie? Nevah. Love, Sarah x * Apart from any of the songs on the best game in the world ever, Dance Dance Revolution. BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM MIGHTY FINE DOLLAR! ===== "But just remember, when your teacher told you to always find a home for stray animals, she wasn't referring to your rectum." -- DNA Mag-AZINE. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris.jones at xxx.uk Sun May 28 19:04:53 2000 From: chris.jones at xxx.uk (Chris Jones) Date: Tue, 28 May 2000 19:04:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Pop Pickers Message-ID: <200005281821.TAA11425@smtp.saqnet.co.uk> No. 15, perfect! Just high enough for B&S to be acknowledged by the record buying public, but low enough to stop teeny boppers getting "into" them. Will they be on TOTP? Chris Jones. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From howied41 at xxx.com Sun May 28 19:46:42 2000 From: howied41 at xxx.com (David Howie) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 18:46:42 GMT Subject: Sinister: Ba ba ba ba baaa. Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba baaa. * Message-ID: <20000528184642.64868.qmail@hotmail.com> * Lyrics to Legal Man. Hello, God, I've posted to this list about a sum total of 2 times. First time round, no-one noticed apart from ("all I care about is�") Velocity Girl ("two-and-a-half minutes of jangly guitar"). Thanks Vel, I'd join the spinisterines were it not for the fact that I have, err, too many moving parts. Oh and, I'm not single - siggghhhh. I suppose I should stick to the archetypal boring format. I might as well say hello to that ever so sinister Alan Burns, the wonderful Jennifer Hodgson, and the sublime Kathryn Dutton. Na, I guess I won't since that is list abuse. Sinister (which everyone knows is etymologically linked to the Meek for "peddles smut and bludgeons society with the twee manifesto") is where I'd like to live. I still don't know the link for the Sinister Village. Can someone send me it, please? Mandatory smut content: my unlucky girlfriend is coming up on the 15th of June to the sunny climes of Ayrshire. Great F!U!N. "Smut content?!" Kathryn queries. Err, well B&S content then - since we'll probably spend the sojourn soundtracked by FISHYCLAP. No. 15 in the charts for Legal Man. Hmm, someone said "change is good; progression is good". Change that to "change for the better is good; retrogression is bad". Retro Retro Retro. Hmmm, I still love the track - though it does feel like Stevie's bastard child. It's a more Stevie oriented single (or at least it feels that way.) With Struan lurking ('cos that's what he does, lurks) in the shadows. I reckon Struan should start a solo side-project 'cos, as, that lovely Mr Dastoor once said, "it's his songs we fell in love with." To be honest, the other band members' songs always seem rather flaccid when placed next to Struan's "wondertrax" (� Nick Dastoor). That's another point. Mr Dastoor, would you be so kind as to put up a list of all the authors of B&S' songs onto Sinister? I mean the obtuse personages never attribute the song to anyone or the other. It'd be nice to know who pens the songs - I don't even know why I'm asking you. You just seem knowledgeable, I guess. Anyone who has the knowledge I desire, please share it. Right, I'll retreat back into the shadows. L.o.v.e. David. "In my head, I'm kissing her all ways, In my heart, I'm missing her always." (Frail Gail, Madge Bishop's Shellsuit.) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alexander.bartilson at xxx.com Sun May 28 19:50:20 2000 From: alexander.bartilson at xxx.com (Alexander Bartilson) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 20:50:20 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Short message to the Swedes on the list Message-ID: <000d01bfc8d5$ae61d6a0$01727180@alex> Just wanted to say to all the Swedes on the list that P3 is having a Belle & Sebastian special in tommorows P3 pop. So listen to P3 at 22.03. I wouldn't miss it for the world. ///Alexander +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From feather-boa at xxx.com Sun May 28 20:44:17 2000 From: feather-boa at xxx.com (feather boa) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 12:44:17 -0700 Subject: Sinister: you can tell i like the manics because i can't handle tense changes Message-ID: i had an urge to post because i am (have been) a manics fan *and* a belle and sebastian fan (and a pulp fan and a blur fan). but i never do things by halves. so when i was (still am) a manics fan i did the full manics fan thing - feather boas, spraypainted shirts, self mutilation, tiaras, eyeliner and psychosis. but now i am a belle and sebastian fan. i still cry for no real reason, and i still hurt, but in a less destructive way. because where the manics ethic is get angry and take it out on yourself, the b&s ideology is don't get angry. so to be honest, i don't think that it is possibe to be *too* much of a b&s fan. and anyone who says it is should see what i can see in the world, as opposed to what i used to see. *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. http://www.chickshops.com boutique shopping from chickclick.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Sun May 28 20:42:16 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 20:42:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Phil Collins Message-ID: <802568ED.006D3151.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> Hello... >That's another point. Mr Dastoor, would you be so kind as to put up >a list of all the authors of B&S' songs onto Sinister? I mean the >obtuse personages never attribute the song to anyone or the other. >It'd be nice to know who pens the songs - I don't even know why I'm >asking you. You just seem knowledgeable, I guess. What? I don't know nuffink me. But seriously... Well in the past, it's been kind of easy. Whoever sang the song wrote it, so you could take things at face value. Now it's all much more complicated of course coz they're a BAND like and have jamming sessions and work things out over two years of studio experimentation. I think 'Legal Man' is mostly Stevie's work, but Mick did pop up in Papercuts (www.papercuts.co.uk) to say "I wrote the middle eight, mum". I'm sure they all mucked in for a bit of communal dickslap, by the sounds of things. And of course, 'Winter Wooksie' is Stuart David's. As for the new album, word on the street is that poor old Stevie isn't to be held principally responsible for 'Beyond the Pale'. No, it's all ISOBEL's fault, Miss. But before everyone forms a lynch mob, we should see things from both sides now: 'Family Twee', you see, had its 'controversial' lyrics penned by Stuart himself. That's all I know. > Just high enough for B&S to be acknowledged by the > record buying public, but low enough to stop teeny boppers > getting "into" them. Chris, is this a joke? What terrible things are going to befall us all if 'teeny poppers' get "into" them? I'm hoping for the weeny-bopper fanbase to expand, myself. I'm bored stiff off all these twentysomethings who work with computers. .... I must be going. I'm off over the road to see if I can barge my way into the London Sinister clique and catch some serious hits - live!. They've spruced up the Betsey just lately. I hope there's no jacket required. Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From tigermilker at xxx.com Sun May 28 21:07:55 2000 From: tigermilker at xxx.com (Tigermilker .) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 21:07:55 BST Subject: Sinister: The NME Message-ID: <20000528200755.61702.qmail@hotmail.com> Lawrence said: >I don't know if anyone who bought the Stuart M issue of NME got as far >as >the "Angst" page, but up at the top there is the statement "Come on >Belle >& Sebastian fans ... we're expecting you" I have this feeling >that the NME >*really* wants to make us look like fools. I say: To ANYONE thinking of writing to the NME to complain about their recent B&S offensive hear this: DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!! DONT!!! NO!!! I don't care how witty and crushing you undoubtably think your masterpiece is, that the very stroke of your pen will turn those vagabonds at the devils own newspaper to repentant jelly, that it will drive Swells to despair when he cannot compete with your cold logic and venerable wisdom, that they will somehow see the error of their evil ways and leave us and the band alone - IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. I have read with despair the letters that have been printed on the matter so far, and without exception, although well written and well meaning, they have been portrayed by the sarky and snide replies to be the lunatic ravings of swamp-slime on the level of Old Manics Fans. And this is a basic problem. When you write to the NME, you have to accept that they will ALWAYS have the last word, and that they can twist and edit your words to fit their purpose (I speak from experience here). Add to this the fact that the NME has been getting increasingly frustrated that B&S refuse to play the game and be one of 'their' bands, (and believe me, they would give their grandmothers for that), I believe there has been a concious editorial descision to send B&S the same way as the Manics, and countless other bands who have somehow found disfavour with them. I honestly think the best thing we can do is to disengage from the whole circus. Let them say what they want, if we don't make fools of ourselves on Angst, then we aren't fuelling the fire. Hope this made sense, love Mark. (the idle-bloke.) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From freezebum at xxx.com Mon May 29 00:34:26 2000 From: freezebum at xxx.com (yellow bananas) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:34:26 GMT Subject: Sinister: sinister exams Message-ID: <20000528233426.56081.qmail@hotmail.com> hello sinisterians, i have an exam in exactly 1 1/2 hours and here i am writing an email to a imagined community of 1300. i'm at the stage of resigned indifference. i'm sure i'll be scribbling some irreverant haiku on my exam paper. the list has been talking a lot about the new record and the new single. but i have yet to hear a note of legal man, much less anything else. i'll wait. i know my patience will be rewarded in due time. anyway... i had the urge to tell 1300 people (or those of you who bother to read this) that my pre-exam ritual consists of listening to "ease your feet off in the sea" and bopping my head manically before i enter the exam hall. i hope my lecturer doesn't mistake it for epilepsy. the exam awaits. good luck to the rest of you : ) pip pip, HY ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jules at xxx.cx Mon May 29 03:31:32 2000 From: jules at xxx.cx (Julie Sauer) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 21:31:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Sinister: Praying and laughing. Message-ID: Today was the day when I remembered why I hate Pennsylvania. For those of you who do not know my exact living situation (shame on you), my parents live in PA, and I live in New York, and I'm now living at home until school thankfully starts up again and whisks me away to the big city. For some reason, my parents decided to repaint my room this summer, probably so they can turn it into some sort of anti-Julie office or study or something once they're sure I'm gone for good. But anyway, in preparation, I cleaned my closet today. I discovered some VERY disturbing things. For one, I own more than 10 pairs of Doctor Martens. My lord! Next, from 1992/93 I subscribed to Propaganda, the U2 fan magazine. I was 13 at the time and can not account for my fanatacism, although my first ever rock concert was the U2 Zoo Tv Outdoor Broadcast tour at Veteran's Stadium in Philly on Sept. 3, 1992. Seven days before my 13th birthday. Obviously, it had quite an impact. Also, I own a number of Depeche Mode t shirts that is nearly unfathomable. Now, I clearly remember my alternateen phase, from around the age of 13 til 15 (which explains the Docs, but not the sheer multitude of them), but I must have somehow blocked the softcore goth phase out. Wait, now that I think about it, I do remember on occasion wearing black eyeliner and dark lipstick at the same time. I think I need to go to rock and roll confession. Forgive me, listees, for I have sinned. Speaking of sins, I also discovered a wee booklet in my sweater (jumper) drawer today which tells me how to Examine My Conscience. It instructs me what to confess, how to confess, and how to save my soul from the fiery depths of hell. My, the mortal sins I've committed. Perhaps you should all examine your consciences as well, just so you're sure you're not in cahoots with Satan unwillingly. The Sixth and Ninth Commandments DID YOU WILLINGLY TAKE PLEASURE IN USING IMPURE WORDS? DID YOU LIKE TO LISTEN TO IMPURE TALK? DID YOU TAKE PLEASURE IN SINGING IMPURE SONGS? DID YOU TAKE PLEASURE IN TOUCHING YOURSELF OR OTHERS IN AN IMPURE MANNER, OR LET OTHERS DO SO TO ME? DID I WANT IMPURE THOUGHTS, AND DID I TAKE PLEASURE IN THEM? Apparently, if you ever sang along with I Don't Love Anyone or you even THOUGHT about why Judy was a dickslap, you're SCREWED. Get thee to a confessional! It's also a mortal sin to get "helplessly drunk", fyi. Another bit of pro-Christian propaganda I found today was a book called Hell's Bells, The Dangers Of Rock n Roll. I remember the exact circumstances by which I acquired this book. When I was 15 I had my first grown-up crush on this boy named Andrew. I met him at camp, and when we went back to our respective states of residence we'd send eachother mix tapes and silly gifts. I sent him a Keroppi notepad, and he sent me Hell's Bells. This book is actually the "study guide" to a video series, so a lot of it doesn't make much sense, but the general loathing of the author towards music in general shines through. The best thing about it is the quotes at the beginning of each section, because in their eagerness to prove how eeeevil music is, they managed to quote some great bands. The Jesus and Mary Chain were sent straight from Satan, as were the Who, the Ramones, the Smiths, the Velvet Underground, The The, David Bowie. And New Kids On The Block...there's a whole section at the end of the book called "But what about NKOTB?", and it instructs you to fill in the name of any other band invading the hearts of preteen girls as time goes by. And there's a marvelous quote about a NKOTB concert that I can only PRAY (to my pagan gods) will be an accurate description of this summer's Belle & Sebastian dates..."It's as if the concert stage were a reef in some Sargasso Sea of raging teenage hormones." Sigh! Okay, now I feel it necessary to express my love for Laura Llew who proclaimed me her list member of the week even though I wasn't subscribed to Sinister at the time. I love you Laura!! Btw, on a Twin Peaks note, Megan and I watched The Trial with Kyle Maclachlan whilst in Russia and although Kyle is a hottie as ever, I much prefer him as Agent Cooper rather than Josef K. Mostly because The Trial was dead fucking boring. Also, Martin Robinson is my hero for buying me a copy of Legal Man, as I went to the only record store in this God-forsaken town that even carries Matador the other day and the Belle & Sebastian section was EMPTY. Aaaaargh. I've placed wee pictures of you both on my pagan altar. Last time I posted I was accused of name dropping, so I'll stop now. Um, and speaking of The Who, what's UP with this fucked up SUV commercial with the polo playing people and Baba O'Riley in the background??? Oy. xoxo Julie "Lips that taste of tears, they say, are the best for kissing." -Dorothy Parker/Laura Llew (From what was my favorite poem long before Trembling Blue Stars nicked a line for their album title) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rhoots1 at xxx.net Mon May 29 03:42:44 2000 From: rhoots1 at xxx.net (Robert Hoots) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 22:42:44 -0400 Subject: Sinister: b+s content ahead on left...watch your step Message-ID: <412000512924243900@earthlink.net> hello...oh there you are, this is my second official post. i am feeling very unsure of myself at this moment. right. the reason i am writing. oh yes. living in the states now, and being an artist myself i have begun to receive andy warhol's interview magazine. well anyway...in the new issue, if anyone cares, is a right up of fyhcywlap. i shall now transcribe the "sound advice" for all of you lucky readers: "Belle and Sebastian create chamber-pop that's as subtle as a whisper and smart as a whip-and sometimes just as painful. On their fourth album, the Scottish indie-rockers rummage through the obsolete sonic detritus of past musical eras, with each song layered with harpsichords, kitsch-pop strings, and spaghetti-western horns plucked right out of an Ennio Morricone soundtrack. Still, it's Belle and Sebastian's lyrical narratives that remain timeless. In the hands of vocalists Stuart Murdoch and Isobel Campbell, melancholy becomes more than a feeling-it's more like sublimity." i'll leave you all to draw your own conclusions, and i apologize if many of you are already acquainted with the above. goodbye for now. robert "please do not understand me too quickly"-andre gide +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MBP99KLC at xxx.uk Mon May 29 04:17:04 2000 From: MBP99KLC at xxx.uk (kaytee) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 04:17:04 +0100 Subject: Sinister: american pernod with your older sister Message-ID: <01c101bfc91c$5f83be80$36d4a78f@ratsmbp99klc> hello sinister. today i was feeling restless. i managed to organise my restlessness into going for a walk round the grassy bit near my house, listening to a tape someone kindly made me, called 'ducks on a pond' / 'ships at sea'. this is a good thing to do i think cos your thoughts can wander. but i was still restless but in a different way. not really a bad way. just my thoughts would get so far and then kind of flick back, like in a loop. also i was thinking about something i read that said it's good if you can do something great/beautiful or whatever, and be glad about it, but not be any more (or less) glad than if it had been done by someone else. and i was thinking that it works the other way too: if someone else does something good, it's very hard not to be jealous, but if they do it in a way that seems like they don't care it was them who did it, it just had to be done, then you don't feel so jealous even (especially) if it is very very good. like when there's a really good band or author, it goes beyond making you jealous, you're just happy that it's there at all. the trouble was, the place i was walking is pretty small cos i was too lazy to walk to a proper park, so i was kind of going round in circles a bit. in the end i went on a swing in the playground (i wasn't trying to be twee - it was getting quite late by then so there was no-one to see me) and my tape was still playing and i could see across the hills. then i stopped thinking so much and it was better. kaytee x ps. the subject line is my mis-hearing of the boy with the arab strap. that is how you spell the drink isn't it, with a silent d? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From inscca at xxx.au Mon May 29 05:05:28 2000 From: inscca at xxx.au (inscca at xxx.au) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:05:28 +1000 Subject: Sinister: can things get any worse? Message-ID: <200005290405.OAA15329@adm1.qld.schools.net.au> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jnikolaeff at xxx.au Mon May 29 07:18:57 2000 From: jnikolaeff at xxx.au (jnikolaeff at xxx.au) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 15:48:57 +0930 Subject: Sinister: New address Message-ID: Hi Honey, Here is my new email address: Nikolaeff.Juliya at saugov.sa.gov.au If you have any problems let me know. Thankyou! XXX +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mikelsen at xxx.nz Mon May 29 08:15:16 2000 From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:15:16 +1200 Subject: Sinister: a long-winded justification of an ealier e-mail to this list. Message-ID: <007001bfc943$912cfe20$7b6137d2@computer> Colin Anderson obviously didn't like my comment "Steven Wells will be first against the wall when the revolution comes!" comment, so I thought I'd clarify. I don't give a damn whether people like Belle & Sebastian. I really don't care. I'm not snobbish enought to say I want them to be mine, and don't want anyone else liking them, nor am I silly enough to think that a few plays of "Legal Man" will make them stars. My beef with Swells was the incredibly bad way he handled the so-called "interview" with Stuart. (And remember folks .... Swells has defended The Bluetones ... so getting high and mighty about B&S's apolitical nature is a little rich.) Stuart called Swells to try and justify the comments he raised at the press conference. He did so coherently, and Mr Wells was not really able to have a proper dig at him while he was speaking, and instead used the sneaky ploy of making his final point well after Stuart had hung up and gone off to do something creative and interesting. It's the journalistic equilivant of a stab to the back, and in direct contrast to just how *nice* Staurt has been in his recent interviews. (Defending Fran from Travis, saying fairly nice things about STEPS, all things considered, etc. etc.) Basically, I think that Swells, and the NME, feel threatened because Belle & Sebastian doesn't *need* the NME. Recently the music press in general, and NME in particular, have taken great delight in building up and tearing down bands. Look at both Gay Dad and Ultrasound as bands who were lauded and then torn into all in the space of about six months. It's difficult for bands to avoid playing the game, however, as the NME and Melody Maker are the most comprehensive gig guides, and pretty much the only major network for getting *any* publicity as an unsigned band. Belle & Sebastian have done things a little differently though. They have a reasonably large fanbase who expand, to a large extent, by word of mouth. There has been little hype (until recently), yet TBWTAS did remarkably well in the album charts when it was released, and has one on to sell a fair amount of copies. People have fallen in love with B&S without B&S really having to play the game - do interviews, photoshoots etc. They have a good website, their fans find out information about them through their labels mailing list, and can buy their albums directly from Jeepster. Much as Mr Wells seems to be attacking Stuart for not taking more of a stand, I get the feeling the real reason is that he wants to feel important as a "critic" or part of the "social consciousness" or something. And pandering to bands like Primal Scream makes him feel like he's doing something worthwhile by dragging along on their coat tails. Good for Primal Scream. I agree with about half of what Bobby says, but just saying I agree with them doesn't make *me* a revolutionary. I guess my question for Steven Wells is, just what do *you* do to make a difference? Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From liisa00 at xxx.fi Mon May 29 12:41:37 2000 From: liisa00 at xxx.fi (Liisa Kallio) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 12:41:37 EET DST Subject: Sinister: i gotta dance to keep from crying Message-ID: ich bins...the subject line is this song by smokey, alan horne�s band oscar wilde played it always in their gigs. i read it from this �pop�mag,there�s this postcard article in it,they interview alan horne, edwyn, norman blake etc. i listened to joy division they�re just so good, i made a list of cds i need to buy, i came up with 8, but there�s more. i watched �smoke�twice this weekend(i�ve got in on tape).i�d really like to work in that auggie�s cigar store. i thought i�d buy a camera, and start taking pictures. next year i�m just going to courses that i like, this year i was supposed to take 8 courses in swedish, but i only took 3, and got satisfactory from all, and now i should do them again, but i won�t. i�m around the same age as isobel,when i graduate i�ll probably be 30, i don�t care though, cos i�d be glad if i could work in some small record store or in a book store. i don�t want responsibilities, cos then there�s much pressure and i get hideous bellyache. i thought i�d start doing some painting and drawing (try to draw a frog and a fox :)), i bought this herb bible so i�m going to start growing herbs, all kinds of mints. thanks to everyone who wrote:),i think you�re all so sweet and cuddly and lovely, i just wish you were here or i�d be there where you are, so you could give me a hug when i�m feeling triste and i�d give you a hug when you�re feeling sad. we�d do fine. but i�m glad you�re out there,somewhere.i�m going to create a special folder for your mails, so i can read them next time i�m feeling blue. i was thinking getting something by orange juice and josef k.,but i�ve never heard anything by them what do they sound like? which cd should i get? and i want to get something by felt,so which album is the best or your favourite? i�ll go like auggie says:�slow down,kids� au revoir love and hugs!!! �all i wanted was to sing the saddest songs and if someone sings along i�ll be happy now� ps. you don�t really need any philosophers when you got auggie, morrissey and stuart:) ps.stevie j. is on radio tonight:) ---- Soitto��net ja ikonit matkapuhelimeen! http://www.iobox.fi/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samwaltonyeah at xxx.com Mon May 29 12:44:50 2000 From: samwaltonyeah at xxx.com (Sam Walton) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:44:50 GMT Subject: Sinister: Fifteen to One? Message-ID: <20000529114450.67574.qmail@hotmail.com> Florence said: >Yay! Just suffered the Radio One charts for the first time in years... and >it was worth it! Number 15!!!!! Congratulations to the band. Congratulations to the band indeed. And moreover, congratualtions to me who is now �5 richer as a result of a little bet I had with a non-believer. What I thought was funny, however, was the songs which flanked the lovely B&S on both sides. For all those who enjoy a laugh, take a look at the other songs around it at http://www.worldpop.com/charts/uk_singles_1-25.htm I'm sure you'll agree that Legal Man is an oasis of good stuff around a desert of steaming turd. Apart from the SClub7 record, which is really good. Anyway, that's about it. love, sam.x "her majesty's a pretty nice girl, but she doesn't have a lot to say..." - The Beatles. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Mon May 29 13:42:50 2000 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:42:50 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Dung Beetles Do It Backwards Message-ID: <002501bfc96b$92b23760$dc9e243e@itjfvkli> That Blake's Seven adult content mailing list sounds good, doesn't it? I bet it's all stuff like "Phwoooar! I wouldn't mind slipping K-9 a length!", things like that. There are dung beetles near our new house, but the lack of high quality dung producers such as elephants and wildebeest means they have to make do with dog poo. They push it along with their hind legs, perhaps to avoid the overpowering stench. I wasn't really expecting dung beetles. Which bloke from Ally McBeal looks like Stuart? Please make reference to plotlines, because I don't know their names, apart from Ally's flatmate, Reenie. I still haven't heard "Legal Man" but I have read the NME. Seemed quite reasonable to me, I wouldn't read too much into it if I were you. That's Katrina in that photo, you know. How come Beans isn't laughing? Did Rolling Rock pay to have their beer on the table? No one seems to be drinking it. And so on and so forth. I haven't really got anything to add, except I think people should write to the NME if they feel strongly enough, regardless of whether or not it gets a sarcastic reply. At least it will give the peculiarly deranged fanbase something to talk about. Speaking of which, congratulations Amanda and Steve, and a hearty slap on the back for Big Arthur Bergman too. Also belated congratulations to Adrian and his Kate for getting each other pregnant. I thought it was very nice to hear from Fluffy Sarah. Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From caleb.rudd at xxx.net Mon May 29 14:07:52 2000 From: caleb.rudd at xxx.net (Caleb Rudd) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:07:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 15 - Almost the Legal (Man) age of consent Message-ID: <001901bfc96e$e6e1b380$d39801d4@oemcomputer> I said it would make 15! Although I said this only to myself, so no one will actually believe me. But well done and yes the band will be playing this Fridays (2nd June) Top of the Pops! So says Jeepster news. Let's hope they mime in style (they usually mime on TOTPs don't they?). xCaleb /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=---=-=-=-\ [ -papercuts- 4 out NOW caleb at papercuts.co.uk ] [ 64 A4 pages plus 17 track CD http://www.papercuts.co.uk ] [ Airport Girl, Ant, Baxendale, Butterflies of Love, Clientele, j-pop ] [ Cousteau, David Devant, Jack, Polak, Spearmint, Belle&Sebastian... ] \-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ppyrrjs at xxx.uk Mon May 29 15:22:54 2000 From: ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 15:22:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Dad nearly joins the army, and Robin discovers he's gay Message-ID: <39328B4D.30179.2D7B34@localhost> I got another phone call from Jerry Singer on Friday, but I wasn't in. He's certainly persistant. Thanks to everyone who emailed me about my dilemma; it seems that everyone's a closet inventor. I was thinking about how stupid I am, phoning up for things just because they're free, when I remembered that my Dad had told me once, how he'd done something similar when he was twelve, and nearly ended up joining the army. He'd been on a school trip to an army assualt course, and had eagerly filled in a form to join their Youth Recruits, thinking it would be like the Dennis the Menace club and he'd receive a membership card and badges and pictures of sweaty young men in uniforms. Instead, he'd unwittingly signed up to the army for five years and they kept sending officers around to his house, trying to conscript him. I've just been into town, thinking that I might go to the bank, then as I stepped from the bus I remembered it's a Bank Holiday. So I went into a shop and read the letters in the NME. There was a quite intelligent letter defending B+S by a chap with the rather excellent name, Trevor. The NME's angry reply was that Trevor was too "intellectual", and used lots of big words, like these bastard Belle and Sebastian fans do. So it seems that their main argument against Belle and Sebastian is that they're not stupid enough, which seems like a rubbish argument to me. Out of protest, I read the paper in the shop, and put it back on the newspaper stand. This is a good way to protest. In fact I've been doing it for years, even when I haven't really got anything to protest about. I like to think of myself as being one of the old skool protesters. Give me Papercuts any day. Someone told me last night, that when she first met me she thought I was gay. Apparently, this is because "you take care of your appearance". "Which makes me gay?." "Of course." Actually I think I'm the only person who doesn't think I'm gay, so maybe I am. Even my Dad used to think so, but I think he just used to hope it was true so I wouldn't go and join the army. Jeepster have put sound samples from FishyFlaps on their website, if you haven't heard any of it yet, and I saw today that Virgin already have it on their listening post. Although I wouldn't bother with the one in Nottingham because it doesn't work very well, and sounds like the headphones are made from a couple of tin cans and bootlaces. Only a week to go now. I'm getting quite excited. Robin x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From craigrm at xxx.uk Mon May 29 15:29:59 2000 From: craigrm at xxx.uk (Craig) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 15:29:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Strange things afoot in Olde Lundin Towne Message-ID: <001901bfc97a$aa8fb100$bf9193c3@orlando1> Well imagine my surprise. ...... There I was wandering through a sunny Covent Garden, effortlessly weaving my way amongst large stationary groups of tourists when all of a sudden I came upon several impressive piles of PA equipment bedecked with gay bunting & banners proclaiming that I'd stumbled upon a BBC Live event. After enduring the TV ads for a few weeks I thought it was only fair that I hang around for a bit to see what was up. All of a sudden Jo Whiley appeared on the balcony above, the pre-recorded crowd roared its approval and the speaker stacks then kicked into life blaring out "Legal Man" in all it's glory. The ever polite Jo congratulated the band on reaching the giddy heights of number 15 (no thanks to the 23 second video clip she played on her show last week) and I smiled happily. The crowd didn't seem at all moved though, and to be perfectly honest the song did sound a bit feeble when played outdoors at high volume, so it's probably just as well the Glastonbury rumours aren't true. I'd have been happy to leave it at that, but then things took a rather surreal twist as Jay Kay (he of Jamaroqi fame) appeared next to Jo and started rapping over the top of Legal Man. It was all a bit messy and quite frankly embarrassing for the poor lad as his funk clogged brain had decided to re-interpret the song as a pro-cannabis anthem ("Legalise it Man" - perhaps ?) and so he randomly ranted on about "making it legal". He also called for the banning of alcohol which would tend to indicate that he's a nutter. They then did a few of their songs for the generally apathetic crowd so I left to get on with my life. All in all it was quite strange. Travelling without moving since 1970, Craig x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From alan.singfield at xxx.com Mon May 29 16:31:44 2000 From: alan.singfield at xxx.com (Alan Singfield) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 16:31:44 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Fame at last ... Message-ID: <6357CBA4ECC4D211A67C00805FD787D75AEA8A@shuban.isoftplc.com> They aren't slagging us off in this article - http://www.nme.com/newsdesk/20000528181634.html but then again, its only got about 2 new sentences in it. EXCITING BIT: "See nme.com later this week for the band's reaction." Does that mean two interviews in as many weeks? Wowzers! Spanners. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From JENOWL22 at xxx.com Mon May 29 17:21:27 2000 From: JENOWL22 at xxx.com (JENOWL22 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 12:21:27 EDT Subject: Sinister: Revenge of the Monkeys Message-ID: <28.640d403.2663f307@aol.com> Hewwo all, Well, I went to glasgow today to buy flares and look up train times and eat sausage rolls, and this is usually a momentous occasion. Any glasgow listees know of any good glasgow record shops though? I tried finding avalanche but I, um, couldn't. Oooh the top of the pops countdown is on and Belle and Sebastian just flashed up for two secods of Bel going ba ba ba (yeh I can lipread). Now SClub7 are on and I just love them, I'm pure addicted to their telly show, it's grate. So cheesy that you have to love it, or be a big fat smelly moke with no soul. They do clever wee dances and hug each other a lot. They're just like mad wee barbie and ken dolls that have jolly super fun in miama or LA or wherever, and loungue about the pool all day and have adventures and end every episode with them dancing about and everybody dancing as well and being happy and cool, even, like, the really old grumpy people who've been mean. Colin said: "Twee is fine if you genuinely are a child and hop-scotch and riding your raleigh chopper up and down the street is what you do for kicks" and said a lot of other grumpy things about twee people. Right, fine, well that's me sorted anyway, because believe it or not there are some people here who aren't grumpy and moke-ish and disillusioned with life,and stuff. I'm still a wee girl, (even though I'm apparantly a year and a half off being old enough to f*ck) and will consider myself so until I'm at least 20, for goodness sakes and I still want to hang on to my childhood for as long as I can, because unlike most of the kids of my age, I actually want to take growing up in my stride, instead of trying to be 30 when I'm not, and having sex when I'm 9, and I know I get beat up but it's better having a shitty childhood than none at all. And there's nothing wrong with being older and wanting to be twee either, because at least you're nice and gentle and happy, and there's not enough people in the world like that. Also, I think that a lot of people were twee before they'd even heard of B&S. They sort of attract that sort of person, that how the image of twee B&S fans grew up. I remember reading Q when I was 13 and had only just got into B&S, and they had a description of B&S fans and what they were like, and how they dressed etc, and I thought "Hey that's weird, because that's just like me", and a few people have told me that they were more or less the same, ie being 'twee' before being a B&S fan. Oh god, I've gone on far too long and please please don't hate me, I just get all bothered when someone says that they think we should all grow up, because I just do. I won't get mad again, I promise. Hugs, Jen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From james.glossop at xxx.com Mon May 29 18:32:11 2000 From: james.glossop at xxx.com (James Glossop) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:32:11 +0100 (GMT/BST) Subject: Sinister: Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:33:00 +0100 Message-ID: <001201bfc993$f03d7c00$4f20073e@glossop> hi kids in case for some bizarre reason you happen to want to e-mail me like "personally", or whatever, i've changed address to james.glossop at btinternet.com bye love james +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From neil_milton at xxx.com Mon May 29 19:17:49 2000 From: neil_milton at xxx.com (Neil Milton) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Newbie to the list, Hi! Message-ID: <20000529181749.17761.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Hi, Subject says it all really. Just wanted to introduce myself as a new member to the list. In this mail I'll tell you a bit about me then I'll ask a few questions about the list. I don't want to upset anyone on the list, I'd rather make friends with fellow B&S fans, so If anyone answers my questions then reply to my address rather than across the list so as not to annoy anyone. OK firstly, a wee bit about me. I'm a 21 year old scot who lives in Airdrie. I have just spent the last six - eight months working in Superdrug in Airdrie (Uuurrggghhh!) prior to which I studied for two years at Central College of Commerce in Glasgow and graduated with an HND in Computing. In August I'm hopefully going to go back to college, this time to stow to study 'HND music and audio engineering' for another two years. My first love in life (aside from my girlfriend, Emma) is music. I play guitar in a band called Troika (a band that sound suspiciously like Idlewild) and buy records and CDs by the truck load. :o) My top 10 favourite bands are 1. R.E.M. (partly 'cause they were the first band I really got into and are also my all-time favourite band, however at the moment my fav. bands are...) 2. Idlewild 3. Belle and Sebastian (and looper, The gentle Waves) 4. Mogwai 5. Peeps into fairyland 6. The Delgados 7. Bis 8. Laeto 9. El Hombre Trajaedo 10. Travis. I also have my own music web fanzine, Too many fireworks @ http://www.geocities.com/fireworks317 however I haven't been able to work on it for a while but I'm hoping to put a new issue on-line in the next month. You can check it out if you want but issue two was quite crap, even though it had interviews from Jeremy from peeps and fraser from laeto (an old school friend by the way). Another love of mine is reading. At the moment I'm in the middle of reading Stuart David's novel before I go on to reading (according to the sales girl @ waterstones in Glasgow) the greatest book I'll ever read... Lanark by Alisdair Gray. I also enjoy writing emails and letters so I'm looking forward to making as many friends as possible on the list. Just hope you will all be nice to me... :o) Anyway, a few questions that I've been wondering about... 1.)Firstly, I read that there is a fan convention type thing in London soon. Are there any events like this in Scotland if so when, where, etc. 2.)This FISHYCLAPS thing is confusing me (probably cause I missed the email when it was first used). I assume it is a slang acronym for the new album but what does it actually mean? 3.)Are there any absolute "no-no's" that I should know about, i.e. things that are barred from being talked about etc.? Well thats about it, except to say to amy jackson... Hi, sorry I haven't written for a while but I will soon. Well thanks for putting up with my inane ramblings and I hope to hear from you all soon, cheers Neil ===== ********************************************************** "he has no idea where he's at or where he's been." Queen of the Troubled Teens - iDLEWiLD ********************************************************** Neil Milton neil_milton at yahoo.com too many fireworks - http://www.geocities.com/fireworks317 Troika - http://www.geocities.com/troika317 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From smiley at xxx.uk Mon May 29 19:26:20 2000 From: smiley at xxx.uk (Mr Smiley) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:26:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: There's a lot to be said for lifelong love and sex and security Message-ID: <001401bfc99b$844520e0$3d4c883e@n8j4k7> Hello, I've been thinking, for some inexplicable reason, about the 5th Duke of Portland. I think I'll tell you a little bit, because it came to my attention that my posts are usually too relevant for their own good. He was a funny guy, was the 5th Duke of Portland. He had a great big house, Welbeck Abbey, which is now used to build murderous robots. Oh sorry, I mean it's now an Army training college, but in the 19th century it was something more interesting. So anyway, he had this great big abbey to live in, but he decided that he would only live in 5 rooms of it. He painted all of the walls pink, and the rest of the abbey began to fall into ruin. And - this is the really interesting bit - to say he was a recluse was an understatement. He was a RECLUSE. He built tunnels underground, 1000s of metres of underground tunnels. They went around his estate, and one went to Worksop town centre and the other went to Worksop train station. He also built an underground ballroom (a pink one). When he wanted to go anywhere, he would get in his coach, trundle off down the tunnels to the train station, then his carriage (with him still in it) would be loaded onto a train wagon and off he'd go. Apparently, he was a kind person. He used to muck in with the workmen, or something, so he wasn't a very good duke as dukes are supposed to be snobby - it's the rules. He once donated a collection of miniatures to a display in Manchester, but someone pinched them so he never did that again. And at some point he died from one of the many diseases that had plagued him all his life. He'd never really done anything, his brother was some army guy who got involved in politics and stuff I think, but our shy duke spent the best part of his life in his underground lair and his 5 rooms in the abbey. I wonder how he got on without people, to talk to him and stuff. Or maybe he just didn't need people, but myself I cant understand this, as I tend to go a bit mental when I haven't spoken to anyone for a while. Anyway, I was just quite fascinated today by the thought of this lonely duke living in his abbey and throwing balls (I mean the type with music and dancing and stuff) in his pink underground ballroom. Platonic hugs, Mike ICQ: 73775341 Email - smiley at rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk The Black Den - http://www.rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk Tomorrow (or soon) I think I will go and have a look at the remains of this tunnel. I saw the pink underground ballroom once, when Welbeck Abbey had an open day. But if I tried that now I'd get shot by an over enthusiastic guard. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com Mon May 29 19:51:01 2000 From: jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com (Harry Hunt) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:51:01 GMT Subject: Sinister: That's not a post, Harry, that's just a big mess. Message-ID: <20000529185101.71243.qmail@hotmail.com> Steven Wells. Maybe he was dismissive, but it's not the end of the world, AND "teenage tits-out terror totty" is an ace book, AND the Sundependent had a nicely put interpretation of the Q&A events. My eye sort of hurts, that is to say I'm not in pain, nor irritation, but any touching of the ocular system would change all that, and the deprivation of opportunity....well, dogs and their bits, you follow? No? OK. Picture this. I'm really small, and keep myself to myself, YET today, when I went to the bar that I visited last night, and sucked the foam from the crown of a pint of horrible beer, the barmaid commented to my companion that she was surprised I could drink ANYTHING after last night. Odd. It's an odd place though, Fibbers. A place where you can get ID'd by bouncers who know your name, a place where they play XTRMNTR on loop before gigs where the preambling broadcast of said album is innapropriate (ie any gig where REAL music will be played), and a place where miracles happen. I was sitting, I was sat, I sat, I was seated, outside the establishment, 1 king's minute before it was due to open. So as to appear fashionably late if I ran into a certain person I was trying to impress, I walked off to another bar, and had a couple of drinks, at a leisurely pace. On returning to Fibbers, no time had passed, but I have a Switch receipt to prove I was on the other side of town when I clearly wasn't. As Ted Theodore Logan so unfamously said:"There are strange things afoot at the Circle K" Oh, and the place where I slept, Splash's house, was up the road from the lead singer from his band's supermarket. On Friday, there was a gas escape at that there shop, and I was the one who dealt with it over the phone. My world is getting smaller. Good thing I'm an ectomorphic midget, gives me more time to think. Today, I was being a cheeky chappy, phoning up payphones on my mobile, hoping for some Trigger-Happy-TV-like shenanigans. One person answerred saying "York Police Station, how may I help you?" quick as a flash. I nearly fell in love. But not quite. I hate Wyclef and I want to die. Love Harry xxx ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nellie_power at xxx.com Mon May 29 21:33:04 2000 From: nellie_power at xxx.com (Isabelle Axelsson) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:33:04 CEST Subject: Sinister: Looper & Salako in Stockholm Message-ID: <20000529193304.52696.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear Sinisteres Yesterday I couldn't sleep, I had just heard Looper and Salakos gig. And you can't just go to sleep and go back to a normal life after a gig like that. You just can't, or I can't... Even that I didn't have any money and that the gig was a sunday evening and that I had to go up early next morning I couldn't miss it. And I'm so glad I went there!!! After 2 hours waiting in the bar Salako entered the stage. They were bloody grate, they really were!! So nice and asking if we rather would like to se Belle & Sebastian. And of course we would, but we didn't say that. I saw Looper comming out from the tour bus and when they were going in to the place the doorman stopped them and they had to say like "hey... we're the band!" hm..quite embarresing I think. Looper was GRATE to with Stuart on the vocals and Karn making this strange sounds in the backround. They had VCR:s and pictures in the backround and I just stand there looking at the telly, feeling the music inside me. After the show I bought some merchandise, some nice badges and Salakos latest album Musicality. Anyone who was there? I would love if you could contact me through my e-mail: nellie_power at hotmail.com =) Love, Isabelle ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vrider at xxx.net Mon May 29 22:01:13 2000 From: vrider at xxx.net (Vicki Rider) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:01:13 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Having Scored A Trillion Dollars Message-ID: <001f01bfc9b1$560ab580$5b66b5d1@compaq> Hello everybadhee!! (Hi Dr. Nick!) Ahhhh, the finals are done and school's really over. I really don't believe it, I feel as though I'll have to get up at 6:45 any day now and have to listen to my teacher's half-assed pontifications on why reading stale textbook poetry is "good for you". (Yes, Mrs. Golab, a poem about a shipwreck by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow is much more relevant to today's high school kids than, say, Allen Ginsberg's "America"). But the last day of school is always a bit sad. I was asking a kid in my math class what he received on his final, and suddenly a friend of his with the neatest light blue hair gave me a hug (maybe he just liked my Mick Jagger shirt). Then I had a pang of "Awwww, I'm gonna miss these kids." Another Sinister shirt slogan: "It's not easy being twee" I'm sure people are tired about putting their two cents in about Legal Man ("Why is is a penny for your thoughts but you have to put your two cents in? Someone's making a penny." Sorry, I couldn't resist), so I'll keep my comments brief: Marvellous. Winter Wooskie is absolutely beautiful if a bit short. Legal Man is pure fun. JIADS is great. Record Highs in the Valley of the Sun: 114-116 degrees! Please tell me that I'm in that one Twilight Zone episode and that this is a dream, and it's really quite cold. I'd do my raindance in the garage but I'd give the soles of my feet third-degree burns. I met my first pedestrian B+S fan. I'm sure it won't surprise any of you that B+S fans in Phoenix are few and far between, so when the shy waitress at the campus branch of Souper! Salad said "Oh I like your badge (the 369 Seconds of Light one). I just love Belle & Sebastian!" I was shocked and delighted. >What terrible things are going to befall us all if >'teeny poppers' get "into" them? I'm hoping for the weeny-bopper fanbase to >expand, myself. Are you kidding Nick? Don't you remember those teenyboppers (the girls that end their name in "i" because ys are ugly) in high school? Once they get wise of the Sinister list they'll clog up our inbox with messages like "Oh, Stuart looks SOOOO cute with that earring on the NME cover." and "Who are The Smiths?" 7 days till the new album................................................ Ciao! Rachel W. :-) "Your brogues are crap, mate. Look, mine are the proper sort." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Walrus1972 at xxx.com Mon May 29 22:43:21 2000 From: Walrus1972 at xxx.com (Walrus1972 at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:43:21 EDT Subject: Sinister: it's blank because ive run out of paints Message-ID: <42.61561b8.26643e79@aol.com> this is my second post,after being scared off by comments to my first. so i hope everyone's forgotten who i am,and i can start over. the b&s bin was empty at the record store yesterday so i left and had to have a cigarette. and i really do not smoke. after that i went home to find a twin peaks marathon on. so i read part of animal farm because my friend had it sitting out on the bed (so is snowball meant to be trotsky then?), then slept for 13 hours. which is amazing because i can usually just hardly get 5. i had an amazing dream. i was small and my parents had left me in a sort of orphanage. every few minutes an s club 7 song would come on the loud speaker (there were only 2 songs,in succession...i suppose that's all they have,then?). eventually i was adopted by someone called chad. he had fran healy hair. and a scarf. we ended up at primrose hill playing with chad's dog. the dog was called stuart. and it ended up that chad married a teacher i'd had when i was 13. the end. i woke up with an incredible headache and put on meat is murder. question: why do matchbox 20 now spell out the '20'? i think that's incredibly pretentious. i wish he would get an eye reduction surgery. im very glad i don't like them at all. i've suddenly gotten money so i think im going to get some converse all stars. bright red ones at that. so i'll be off. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mattwardfhnn at xxx.com> Mon May 29 23:44:07 2000 From: mattwardfhnn at xxx.com> (mattwardfhnn at xxx.com>) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:44:07 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V4 #165 In-Reply-To: <200005292143.WAA27938@missprint.org> Message-ID: Does anyone find it particularly humorous that "Legal Man" beat out "The Thong Song" for number 15? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ssonner at xxx.com Tue May 30 01:33:35 2000 From: ssonner at xxx.com (Sarah Garrett Sonner) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 00:33:35 GMT Subject: Sinister: Albert R. Broccoli presents Message-ID: <20000530003335.99939.qmail@hotmail.com> Darling Sinister, I'm aiming this straight for your heart, I�ve been undercover, Rockin� and Rollin� up and down the midwest, and took note of the following... Last week when I was in Arkansas, several states south of my CDs, I was listening to a tape of TBWTAS and �Sinister on my little headset. I had already turned out the lights and couldn�t fall asleep because the house was just too damn quiet. I played both albums all the way through, and fell in love again, before the headphones got itchy and I took them off and fell asleep. It�s been awhile since I was able to listen so intently, and I swear I kept hearing things I�ve never noticed before. (Props to the ever-relevant Scott who I believe mentioned this audiophilic phenomenon in the context of Tigermilk a while back.) A year ago, when I began listening to B&S almost constantly, I was spending too much time in airports and on planes and couldn�t hear the subtleties over the interference from engine noise and screaming children and people. Now I always take that tape on trips. Knowing all the words is somehow comforting. Contrary to the obvious, I don�t find Seymour Stein to be the most appropriate song, instead Sleep the Clock Around, partially for the valium mention. I get so nervous about flying on planes that I�m always wishing for in-flight sedatives. And here are those lovely people telling me to take one, y�know? And now for the point of this paragraph: I have yet to apply my late night headphone-listening as a litmus test to the new album. I wonder how the production quality (walls of sound?) will seem when heard that way. I like being able to hear fingertips sliding up and down a fretboard. Oooh. On my most recent flight from Dallas to Chicago, the public failed to remark upon my colourblind T-shirt. I perversely prefer this T-shirt to the rest of the batch because it�s hard to read, but nicely colored and designed. Plus since I go to an art school, people have never come up to me and said, �Oh, Belle and Sebastian!� They say, �Oh, I do paintings like that!� And then I smile and nod. Nick wrote: "But before everyone forms a lynch mob, we should see things from both sides now: 'Family Twee', you see, had its 'controversial' lyrics penned by Stuart himself. That's all I know." And then I said, �Yikes!� I must admit I�m puzzled and even somewhat alarmed. Controversial, indeed. So I take it Stuart did not write the music for this? I�ve been trying to imagine the lyrics sans Isobel and cannot make head nor tail of it. I�m so confused--I mean thin--I�m so thin! I also wish to join the crowd that wants The Loneliness of a Middle Distance Runner to be officially released, but I wonder if I would end up liking the live version kinda better, like I do in the case of Winter Wooskie. Speaking of which, I feel I can hardly comment on the new single. I�ve been too busy fighting crime in disguise. And dancing the frug. With Mike Myers. But in between the demands of my international lifestyle of mystery, I wondered if I�m the only one who misread �Winter Wooskie� as �Winter Wookie� and then pictured a shivering Chewbacca in a puffy coat. Of course this happened ages ago when I heard of the song before I actually heard it, so maybe someone else has already contributed this drippy bit of silliness. >From the U.S.A. with L.O.V.E., Agent Double Oh Sarah ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From spacegirldream3 at xxx.com Tue May 30 06:03:53 2000 From: spacegirldream3 at xxx.com (space girl) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 01:03:53 EDT Subject: Sinister: busting out of the nursery Message-ID: <20000530050353.82669.qmail@hotmail.com> hello all, just got out of the nursery (as you can all see from my original subject line). i figured i would just say a few words about myself and love of belle and sebastian. i am 19 years old and i live in new york city and was introduced to b&s six months ago and fell in love. i play the guitar a bit, so its fun to pick it up and jam with some fellow friends who are into belle and sebastian as well. as for legal man, i really love it. legal man itself reminds me of austin powers music, i think its the sitars in the background and that real poppy beat. winter wooksie is beautiful, very great. and judy is a dick slap......well its a nice instrumental and all.... anyways, summer is here and i will be wasting it away, hopefully with friends in the park and looking at the sky and reading some good books. if anyone has any suggestions on the books, please email me back, i would love to hear from everyone. xoxox, spaceygirl p.s. if anyone wants to get a great album, figure 8 by elliott smith is my reccomendation. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lofemo at xxx.com Tue May 30 01:48:57 2000 From: lofemo at xxx.com (kevin-m) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: eliott smith concert...(in real audio) Message-ID: <20000530004857.5297.qmail@web1006.mail.yahoo.com> hello, i'm sorry that this email doesn't have any b&s content but i'll keep it short. for any eliott smith fans... i saw eliott smith last week (may29) in toronto. it was quite good and i recorded it on minidisc. i just finished encoding it to real audio and in honor of my kindergarden teacher and her wise teachings, i would like to share... visit www.geocities.com/lofemo2 and you will find the concert (as well as instructions for downloading realplayer if you don't have it)(there are also cat power and looper concerts there as well). enjoy. oh yes... if anybody from melbourne reads this, i'll be traveling to melbourne from toronto for an exchange, from july to novembre. i'd love to meet anybody who would give me a tour and point me towards good pubs. drop me an email. take care, xo (no pun intended) k. *** if you would like to reply to this, please use my other email account > lofemo at hotmail.com *** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jellybabs at xxx.com Tue May 30 10:26:28 2000 From: jellybabs at xxx.com (Katy Dutton) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 02:26:28 PDT Subject: Sinister: Nottingham/Sheffield Picnic Message-ID: <20000530092628.4144.qmail@hotmail.com> Pre-Script note: Why did it take me three attempts to spell 'picnic'? Ahem. To the point. As the subject of this mail may suggest, a Nottingham picnic is in the works. We think. If anyone lives in the vague area of Nottingham/Sheffield, mail me if you would like to come. It's so vague as yet that we don't even know when or where it would be. You can always mail Mr Smiley with your comments though . Or me. It'd be in the summertime-ish, probably after exams (A-Levels, Uni modules etc for most of us). So far, I believe we have the approval of Mr Smiley(or Mike, as he's commonly known), James Glossop (by proxy) and err maybe Robin Stout. I know there's some more of you out there...it'll be fun :) Right, sorry for the brevity and lack of content and barefaced promotional cheek of this mail, but I need to find out who's in the area (why did I just feel compelled to type 'da area'? Argh...). Katy x "Organising Sinister picnics since errrr yesterday" ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clb112 at xxx.uk Tue May 30 11:01:15 2000 From: clb112 at xxx.uk (clb112) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:01:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Like Giving Birth Message-ID: <3933916B.A34C1EB0@york.ac.uk> Hello everyone, hope you're all nice and happy in the sun (or rain if its raining where you are). WEB COMMUNITY Does anyone else still have this hang-up that there's something wrong with people who are on lots of email lists and go to chat rooms ? I don't mean to offend anyone, but I'm kind of embarassed about being on a list. Its a good list, its just that my friends would think it a bit sad...sorry (please don't all email me and tell me to "piss off then"). SING-SING Sing-Sing's (ex-Lush) first EP ("Feels Like Summer", "Hit and Run" and "Command") was divine, wasn't it ? The sound-track to my year in halls, which paradoxically was not a divine year. But their new single is crap, isn't it ? THE BUCKLEYS Jason and anyone else - hows the Buckley listening coming along ? List-abuse blah blah blah and everything, but can I just very quickly mutter that Jeff's "Everybody Here Wants You", "I Know We Could Be So Happy", "Lover, You Should've Come Over" and "Hallelujah" (of course) are SOUL. So are Tim's ballads ("Song for the Siren"), psychadelic pop songs ("Phantasnmagoria in Two") and monkey-hooting animal ten-minute instrumental jungle raucous jamming... (grrrrr) GIVING BLOOD A tangible nice big bag of red (like giving birth...). Which brings me to the B&S content - had IYFS on my walkman while it was filling up. You can get drunk easier afterwards. Lots of love Caroline xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clb112 at xxx.uk Tue May 30 11:13:46 2000 From: clb112 at xxx.uk (clb112) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:13:46 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Like Giving Birth Message-ID: <3933945A.1D62E15C@york.ac.uk> Hello everyone, hope you're nice and happy in the sun (or the rain if its raining where you are). WEB COMMUNITY Does anyone have a hang-up that there's something wrong with people who are on lots of email lists and got to chat rooms ? I don't mean to offend anyone, but I'm a bit embarrassed about being on a list. Its a good list, its just that my friends would think it a bit sad...sorry (please don't all email me and tell me to "piss off then"). SING-SING Sing-Sing's first EP ("Feels like Summer", "Hit and Run" and "Command") was divine, wasn't it ? The sound-track to my year in halls (which paradoxically was not a divine year). But their new single is crap, isn't it ? THE BUCKLEYS Jason and anyone else - how's the Buckley listening coming along ? List-abuse blah blah blah and everything, but can I just very quickly mutter that Jeff's "Everybody Here Wants You", "I Know We Coul Be So Happy", "Lover, You Should've Come Over" and "Hallelujah" (of course) are SOUL. So are Tim's ballads ("Song for the Siren"), psychadelic pop songs ("Phantasmagoria in Two") and monkey-hooting animal ten-minute jungle raucous jamming...(ggrrrr). GIVING BLOOD A tangible nice big bag of red (like giving birth...). Which brings me to the B&S content - I had IYFS on my walkman while it was filling up. You can get drunk easier afterwards. Lots of love, Caroline xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From coool_air at xxx.com Tue May 30 11:19:19 2000 From: coool_air at xxx.com (Claire Timmins) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 03:19:19 PDT Subject: Sinister: Phil Collins Message-ID: <20000530101919.71511.qmail@hotmail.com> hello. nick said 'phil collins' and then waffled on about B&S without no mention of the 'man' again. To get this out of the way before serious discussion, Lucky Man has been stuck in my head for ages now, but its in the form of the Eurotrash tune. Does anyone else have this problem? Anyway sorry lads, but it does. back to Phil. I like him. I'm having a year of Phil revelations, I recently told my best friend this, amist her chuckles she searched high and low for the greatest Phil 7"s she could find - what a mate. Im going to be away for a while - this only concerns Scots folk, so guys - still mail me at this address I should be in Scotland soon - hurrah. buye. Claire* ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ynoh at xxx.edu Tue May 30 11:21:11 2000 From: ynoh at xxx.edu (Youn J. Noh) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 06:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: tous les garcons s'appellent Patrick et sont nes en 1973 Message-ID: Hello, Sinister. Robin wrote: > Someone told me last night, that when she first met me she > thought I was gay. Apparently, this is because "you take care of your > appearance". "Which makes me gay?." "Of course." Only English men look good in pink shirts. A former professor of mine even had a lavender shirt - and the color was so rich, it looked sateen. And it suited him well. But it must put women in a strange position, having to dress better than them or else being made to feel unfeminine. When I was an undergraduate, the campus association of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals gave a talk in our dorm. Later on I saw one of the speakers on campus wearing a black shirt with white polka dots. (I remember him because I asked him an overly earnest question about how being gay affected his relationship with women. Somehow, I believed that being gay would carry a man's relationship with women to dizzy platonic heights...) And he looked nice. Not everybody could pull it off. The Great Gatsby had a lot of nice shirts so maybe he was gay and that's the real reason Daisy cried at the sight of them. I said some mean things to my sister on the phone, so I feel bad. I wish we were kids again. I didn't mean to be mean, but I had to explain. Sometimes I wish there were more space between sticking up for yourself and hurting other people. But she doesn't react anymore to anything I say: not directly, not to me. So how can we still be close? No. I don't mean that. She's a materialistic slob. She takes over everything around her. And she took our (not incl. her in 'our'; it's too bad he's so friendly; otherwise, he might bark at her to make her go away) dog for a walk and nearly killed him (she told me he could barely walk and that he threw up when he came home), the walk of course being really for her benefit. Ugh!!! She should just keep away! liisa wrote: > i wish b+s would do a punk cover, id like to see stuart shouting and > looking really angry:) dressed in black. I wonder if "Chalet Lines" will be an angry song or a sad song. (Please don't tell me though.) I imagine Stuart to have white heat/silent treatment kind of anger. That's the most cutting. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vegasbaby at xxx.com Tue May 30 12:31:48 2000 From: vegasbaby at xxx.com (Courtney Knopf) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 04:31:48 PDT Subject: Sinister: the best of Dokken Message-ID: <20000530113148.57404.qmail@hotmail.com> i happened to be trapped in a hellish state of boredom tonight, and my roommate turned on VH-1. And that was when i saw something more horrifying than www.michaeldouglas.com (though i never thought that possible). the backstreet boys were performing 'i want it that way' while being accompanied on vocals by STING. oh my sweet jesus, i didn't think anything could be so wrong as hearing gordon sumner utter the lyrics 'you are... my fire/the one...deeesiurrrr.' it sends a wave of nausea over me even now. the opening band for Supergrass last monday in los angeles was... interesting. they're called Tsar and the lead singer looks like a male version of eartha kitt. i wonder if he can meow. what say the los angeles contingent of the list get together one day soon and drink profusely? the kind of profuse drinking that lands you in china town and possibly involves karaoke. sound good? i thought so. xo ~Courtney http://www.soundbreak.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From paularathoon at xxx.com Tue May 30 13:08:09 2000 From: paularathoon at xxx.com (Paul Arathoon) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:08:09 BST Subject: Sinister: hunter s Thompson and the essence of twee Message-ID: <20000530120809.14745.qmail@hotmail.com> Hmm. so that "Colin Anderson", if that's what he wants us to believe is his real name, says grow up and get a life does he? . Well i will be the first to rip my cardigan in the name of revolution. i may even be prepared to sacrifice my raleigh chopper if the cause requires it. I don't believe he's even a fan. i don't think he has any of the records. I don't even believe he was at the same concert. He's a trouble maker. actually, on reflection he has my wholehearted support even if he does like the Lighthouse Family so maybe I won't cast him to the lions yet. Anyway... 60 minutes until my final Final. so at 5pm I will not be an undergraduate anymore. I won't be a Graduate either. I will be stuck in a strange limbo where I am a Graduand. and there i shall remain for a month not knowing if I should behave like a student (ie generally like a dickslap) or like a proper real person (ie like someone with standards). Well, tonight Matthew, I shall be very much the student and get v drunk (Note- if any one is in the Manchester area come to the Union bar at 5pm and get drunk with me. I have a black jumper on which is quite thick and will be more than likely drinking with a huge black guy called Alexis) B&S content: the saturday afternoon shoppers obviously didn't think as much of B&S as the monday-friday ones. A shock slump from 9-15 in less than 48 hours. How fickle. Props to Nick.D for wanting more teeny bopper fans. i am working on my sister- she's beggining to crumble. Well off to Roman Governors And Provinces then Paul ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From m.hester at xxx.uk Tue May 30 13:33:24 2000 From: m.hester at xxx.uk (Hester, Mark (ELS)) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:33:24 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Bank holiday comes six times a year Message-ID: Strange things Bank holidays. Very British. Invented by some Liberal MP called John Lubbock in the last-but-one century, they are a capital idea, but I wish they could have more imaginative names, like commemorating events or people in history like they do in many countries. Anyway, Oxford is a little bizarre because there are large numbers of people here whose employers don't recognise them and so their employees have to scowl and swelter indoors whilst everyone else is enjoying themselves. I made the mistake of asking two friends what they were going to do and received the vitriolic response "Grrr...I'm working" The students of the older of the two Universities here also have to work like any other day, but with three eight-week terms and huge long vacations they don't tend to get the same levels of sympathy. Anyway yesterday was a bank holiday and I went as I always do to Fun in the Parks, an event at South Park, Headington. Maybe it was the mood I was in at the time, but it didn't seem as good as in previous years. The funfair seemed smaller and there wasn't the usual plethora of stalls of various local worthy organizations with tombola, plant and book sales etc. But there was at least a BBC Music Live stage where a folk band called Back of Beyond were playing. Usually I don't go for this sort of music, but they were really good, playing songs from every continent (with one obvious exception, penguins and well-wrapped geological researchers not being noted for their songwriting prowess). I remember one song from Burundi and one from Bhutan called 'Mountain song'. Time to reply to a few people now.... >WEB COMMUNITY Caroline, I don't get embarrassed about being on the list and I don't know anyone who does, but I must concede that I do get occasional comments about it being "a bit sad". I think such comments can be attributed to jealousy; they are typically made by people who don't have an interest which they share with lots of people that would warrant the creation of a list and so they are denied the opportunity to make new friends all over the world. >SING-SING Haven't heard any of their stuff...sorry. Bit out of touch, which members of Lush are in Sing-Sing? Miki and Emma? Lush changed their sound quite a bit in their career didn't they? The later stuff was more polished and immediate and a good deal more chirpy..."Single Girl", "Ladykiller" etc. > 'Family Twee', you see, had its 'controversial' lyrics penned by Stuart himself. In what way controversial, Nick? I can imagine more people finding 'Chalet Lines' controversial. >I also wish to join the crowd that wants The Loneliness of a Middle Distance Runner to >be officially released, ooh, yes me too. I so want it to be the next single, but I can well understand if the band makes us wait a little longer. After all, we had to wait a long time for the release of Tigermilk on CD. I am going to have to unsubscribe soon, but only temporarily, as I'm going to Canada for three weeks from 8th-28th June inclusive and much as I'd love to, I know I won't be able to read all the messages that will accrue in that time. I have mentioned this to some of you already, but if there are any listees in Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa or (bit of a long shot, this) Thunder Bay who would like to meet up, listen to some B&S etc. then please e-mail me privately and I'll let you have details of my itinerary. There'll be much travelling about on the Greyhound to begin with, including a trip to Niagara. I intend to go to the BlowUp and International Colouring Contest club nights in Toronto, but as yet I don't have many definite plans. My next post will have a subject line containing a band name completely unrelated to what follows. Cue chant of "Copycat, copycat I know what you're playing at". Bye for now, Mark. -------------------------------------------------- Mark Hester Assistant Local Applications Manager Elsevier Science Limited The Boulevard Langford Lane Oxford OX5 1GB Tel. +44 (0)1865 843455 Fax +44 (0)1865 853319 Web: http://www.elsevier.nl/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pcxas at xxx.uk Tue May 30 15:47:03 2000 From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:47:03 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Golden treasures from this weekend Message-ID: It is all about moments: During my Saturday walk around Wollaton Park, unique starting point of any pique-nique in this area ,Kathy,Smiley et al,where some sort of world music festival was taking place in one of the fields at the time,I was whistling incesant+irritantingly the CONTROVERSIAL tune Mr Dastoor mentioned earlier. This is only a sample of my love of perilous activities,as because of that festival, there was some statistical probability of NME activists in the area,which could have found enough reasons with that to throw me to the lions. So,when seeing 'Gladiator' last night the polemical lyrics came back to my mind once again.He was called 'Spaniard' for no good reason, have I missed anything relevant?His family spoke Italian in the intimacy and his house seemed taken from some Tuscany Holidays catalogue for Blairites,I am very confused.They did not even speak English with vague Mediterranean accent as other characters,but Italian before it was invented.Wicked. Some family tweed makes more sense in my case,coming from both sides from dinasties of tailors and seammistresses.But that is Scottish.These lyrics are really accounting for some intellectual effort escaping in a first go... Spinster-Sinister:I could maybe become a suitable Ms Parker in a few years,but my body has no resilence about alcohol units,which leaves in a dubious position to apply for that career choice.Great idea,anyway. xxx A. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From fatslug at xxx.com Tue May 30 16:32:43 2000 From: fatslug at xxx.com (Kevan Cooke) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:32:43 -0700 Subject: Sinister: he's good bad, but he's not evil Message-ID: hello folks, sister disco said: > Kevan, I haven't heard the new record yet, but are you sure they're > bongos? I've just got a hunch that maybe they might be in fact > congas... which is of course correct, and the very mention of the word conga got me to thinking... which b&s song would be the best to conga to? "legal man" might be up there amongst the front runners, but i suspect that "she's losing it" would be the ultimate b&s conga song. why not try it next time you play tigermilk? unless you are driving at the time - that would be dangerous. sadly even if we managed to get the entire sinister list shuffling and kicking alternate legs in one long line we would still be some way off the world record of 119989 people. alasdair cook said: > certain people are working on Brother Badger and Sister Squirrel as > I type is that "working on" in a "tied to a chair and beaten with some rubber hosing" sort of way? what could these poor woodland creatures have done to warrant such actions? you'll probably be attaching kittens to kites next, you sicko. paul arathoon said: > i am working on my sister- she's beggining to crumble. now you're all at it! bye, kevani p.s. stuart looks sooooo cute on the cover of the nme, and who ARE the smiths anyway? wet fun... http://www.splishsplosh.co.uk/ *********************************** chickclick.com http://www.chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickmail.com sign up for your free email. http://www.chickshops.com boutique shopping from chickclick.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From m.hester at xxx.uk Tue May 30 16:52:23 2000 From: m.hester at xxx.uk (Hester, Mark (ELS)) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:52:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Who is that Girl in the Red Dress and Why Does She Keep Calling M e Andrew? Message-ID: >which b&s song would be the best to conga to? "legal man" might be up >there amongst the front runners, but i suspect that "she's losing it" >would be the ultimate b&s conga song. why not try it next time you >play tigermilk? unless you are driving at the time - that would be >dangerous. How about 'Me and the Major'? Actually that's probably better to can-can to.... >is that "working on" in a "tied to a chair and beaten with some rubber >hosing" sort of way? what could these poor woodland creatures have >done to warrant such actions? you'll probably be attaching kittens to >kites next, you sicko. which is probably why The World's Smallest Kite is on sale at present on the streets of Oxford. Far too small to support the weight of a kitten! I saw a dog flying a kite once at Wittenham Clumps. >and who ARE the smiths anyway? >a load of cobblers, natch. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From NALeigh82 at xxx.com Tue May 30 16:57:05 2000 From: NALeigh82 at xxx.com (NALeigh82 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:57:05 EDT Subject: Sinister: Youth is the time of life lived for some imaginary audience Message-ID: <94.5049407.26653ed1@aol.com> I should be happy right now, I technically became an adult yesterday which should have been a joyous occasion but the world conspired to depress me. I was watching the conclusion to BBC Music Live and although a day celebrating music is a good thing it just made me sick. How can the BBC claim to care about music when last week they sacked one of the finest radio dj's in the world, Andy Kershaw. I know radio 1 is supposed to be 'commercial dance for 16-24 year olds' but surely a public service could allow this show to continue, in a timeslot where only people passionate about the show itself will listen. This means that the only time I will hear any music from Africa in the future will be on the odd occasion that John Peel decides to play something by John Chibadura and that makes me sad. I think being controller of radio 1 would be one of the greatest jobs in the world, you have no obligation to maintain high audience figures as you have no sponsors and so you could play any music you like. Andy Parfitt has the power to change peoples lives and give them profound experiences through music, but he seems happy to play mindless twaddle and only allow one or two good songs onto the C-list if the artist allows the first verse to be cut (American Trilogy - The Delgados). What makes this more sickening is that he claims that he is sacking Andy Kershaw in the interests of exciting new music. Somehow I don't think his PR man thought that through when he wrote his statement for him. Jen sez: " I went to see Final Destination last night, and you know how the adverts where people are screaming and stuff and it says 'actual audience reaction', well, believe me, it's true. People were being sick and screaming and me and my friend just clutched on to each other for the whole film, it was so scary." When I saw that 'actual audience reaction' I knew it was real too as it looked as though there were only about 12 people in the cinema at the time and just row after row of empty seats. Personally I prefer it when an advert for a film has a quote saying "THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and then the quoted publication (TV Quick) in really small writing underneath. But still i'm glad Jen found Final Destination interesting, I hope it was self referential enough for you. (My god that phrase is becoming a genre of film in itself all to quickly for my liking) OK, i've followed the 15 minute rule but I still feel that i've flouted sinister etiquette (Oh Yeah: 'Insert self-depreciating comment so no-one will take the piss out of anything you've said') Sorry to have wasted your time with loads of mindless twaddle. Nicholas Leigh +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LNino at xxx.com Tue May 30 18:39:50 2000 From: LNino at xxx.com (LNino at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:39:50 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Words not yet Message-ID: <41D61E4C1F62D111A3B300805FE6B65401A99B43@dalex6.dal.na.levi.com> Hi First of all thanks to all the people who wrote to me telling me how to get a glimpse at the new B&S tracks. Thank god jeepster is putting up some samples so I can patiently wait for the album to come out. Thanks to Ian and to Elizabeth, who are really kind :) Anyway. a friend who lives in San Diego told me that Family Tree has really pretty lyrics. Does anyone have them around? I'd love to read them. Who sings on that one? thanks for your patience with Juno. dropped in the middle of the lonliest music land. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From andrewt at xxx.com Tue May 30 19:22:44 2000 From: andrewt at xxx.com (Andrew Tracey) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 19:22:44 +0100 Subject: Sinister: One tryst with me and you'll be Pope Message-ID: <972D216B1EF3D3119B7D00D0B70F6EEA1CB2C0@WROX3> Hello one and all I've been feeling a bit depressed recently. Or, more correctly, a bit of me has recently been depressed - my cheekbone. There I was, one Saturday night, quietly minding my own business, walking into town for an evening of fun and frolics, when a group of lads took umbrage to something about me (most probably my opposable thumbs) and one of them got me with a right hook. Totally apropos of nothing. Not even a genuine air of hostility or an aura of approaching confrontation. I managed to get away before any more damage was done but the question is this.... Once a c*nt, always a c*nt???? The bloke who hit me couldn't have been more than 18 or 19. Now, when I was a teenager, I was a bit of an arsehole. Nothing violent or thuggish, just generally a bit of a twat (listening to Metallica, laughing at the Mary Whitehouse Experience, that sort of thing). I am now a model citizen - helping old ladies across the road, tut-tutting at kids swearing, that sort of thing. Will my local cheekbone-smasher similarly develop into someone who I could maybe have a quiet pint with someday, or is his path to total moral bankruptcy set in stone? Have any members of the collected Sinister massive left behind a tempestuous youth of badness (genuine badness - violence, criminal acts) and drifted into the lagoon of civil responsibility? If not, is there a case to be made along the lines of "It's obvious who the troublemakers are from an early age, so why don't we just slit their throats when they're 16?". Or is that a bit harsh? In my defence, someone did leave a copy of the Daily Mail on the train this morning and I read it. I feel so unclean. Other news - B+S probably on TopofthePopPickersMate this Friday. Bugger. The one Friday I actually have a social life and will be out of the house (gokarting, if you must know). Also, S Club 7's song is fab. And Steps are releasing a slow song!!!! Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. The NME thing - Don't get too worked up about Steven Wells. If I worked on the NME I'd slag off everyone just to annoy people. Especially Primal Scream. But especially those wankers on the Sinister list. FHM 100 fittest women thing - Where on earth is the woman who puts the watch into Watchdog - Charlotte Hudson? (As opposed to Anne Robinson, who contributes the rest of the show's title). Isn't she just totally lovely? For those.....who haven't yet taken heed of all those financial people telling you to build up a nestegg for your retirement and are short of long term investment - get your money on Spain for Euro 2000. I'm rambling again, aren't I? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Catspaw1 at xxx.com Tue May 30 20:01:23 2000 From: Catspaw1 at xxx.com (Catspaw1 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:01:23 EDT Subject: Sinister: Golden treasures from this weekend Message-ID: <55.690be82.26656a03@aol.com> In a message dated 5/30/00 10:12:53 AM Central Daylight Time, pcxas at unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk writes: << So,when seeing 'Gladiator' last night the polemical lyrics came back to my mind once again.He was called 'Spaniard' for no good reason, have I missed anything relevant?His family spoke Italian in the intimacy and his house seemed taken from some Tuscany Holidays catalogue for Blairites,I am very confused.They did not even speak English with vague Mediterranean accent as other characters,but Italian before it was invented.Wicked. >> Actually, Crowe wanted to use a Spanish hybrid, but the director told him not to, hence the resulting accent. I finally found "Legal Man" in a Best Buy here. I dig the cover art. It's a departure, to be certain. B Clay +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From calumn at xxx.com Tue May 30 20:14:34 2000 From: calumn at xxx.com (Calumn Shearer) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:14:34 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Cal's Crazy Caption Compo Message-ID: <000001bfca6c$939bc040$3c01a8c4@calumn> Hello! Come in, Tea? Coffee? I've got some biscuits, if you like...beer? at this time? OK, why not. I don't post that often, I'm sure you can forgive me. I have been accused by someone who shall remain nameless(1) of only sending mail to sinister when I'm giving stuff away, and he's right - so here goes.... Cal's Crazy Caption Competition! I went to the Glasgow and London Picnics. I took photo's (oh, oh! ) But, having scanned them in and put them up on the web, I think it'd be fun to write "amusing" captions for said photos. But I'm crap and "unfunny". This is where you lot come in. Check out the photos on http://www.btinternet.com/~calumn and send me your wit and wisdom. Simple, huh? I'll stick your caption up above the picture, and credit the author(2). After a suitable amount of time (end of June should do it.), I'll declare a WINNER!, send them a grand (3) prize (2) and take them out for a drink when I see them(5) You don't need to have gone to the Picnics, you don't need to know the people in the photos (god knows, I don't know who some of them are!) - just be witty! Thanks, Calumn PS - Can I have a dose of whatever literary bug has infected pinefox? 15. Charts. Grate! Hope B&S mime terribly on TOTP - that'll draw the teeny-bop crowd ;-) oh, please remember to tell me which picture(s) your caption(s) is(are) for. cos' I might not get the joke. 1) gay, Glasgow, football, sings-like-a-girl and nail varnish should help 2) if you would rather remain "anonymous" to escape the wrath of your friends/flatmates, that can be arranged - just let me know 3) Grand (adj) of highest rank; magnificent; very good; very fine... not, like, a thousand pounds/dollars/whatever. sorry. 4) I'm not sure what the prize will be, but I've got an E N O R M O U S promo poster for the new album and a can of Chris "Beenz" Geddes, which is a start. I'll have blagged some more B&S related shenanigans by the time the competition's over. 5) This may be some time, depending where you live and all that, but I'll do it. see if I don't +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com Tue May 30 09:36:28 2000 From: jamesmcsuperman at xxx.com (Harry Hunt) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:36:28 +1200 Subject: Sinister: Two-kenneth References: <3933945A.1D62E15C@york.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20000530194503.48748.qmail@hotmail.com> > Does anyone have a hang-up that there's something wrong with people who > are on lots of email lists and got to chat rooms ? I don't mean to > offend anyone, but I'm a bit embarrassed about being on a list. Its a > good list, its just that my friends would think it a bit sad...sorry > (please don't all email me and tell me to "piss off then"). Remarkable self-awareness, that you know it's a hangup to be prejudiced, or at all ashamed. Shame is for the WEAK. Pride and shame only make you more fragile. People use the "why don't you get some REAL friends" argument a lot, when I discuss the net. It's like, I've got real friends, it's just they live all over the world, giving me a broader outlook, and somewhere to live, wherever I visit. The net has done TERRIBLE damage to some relationships I've had, putting me in utter disdain of trying to sort ANYTHING serious out over the net. The alternatives for a shy one are painfully few, in a backward town, when you have no mates. It's alright, when you have one or few hangers-on, from your schooldays, but if you're alone, and don't really fancy joining a sports club or a dungeons and dragons gang, it's a bit crap. You have to take advantage of every social notion, not just those that are considered acceptable by your peers. It's not a substitute for friends, people don't USE it as a substitute, people use it as an alternative and a supplement. Well, I do. Hmm. I'm not ashamed of anything, except peeing in a cup and throwing it into my neighbour's yard when I was 10. Love Harry +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From acook at xxx.uk Tue May 30 20:04:27 2000 From: acook at xxx.uk (Alasdair Cook MC1996) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:04:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 10 Faggy But Nice Avenue Message-ID: <393410BB.BD17F88E@cs.strath.ac.uk> So, poetry eh? It's a bugger. The other day I was going to not spend any money, so why did I go into the book shop? And why to the poetry section? These are questions which may never be answered, at least not in this world, though perhaps in some kind of Star Trek future where we can all ask Q anything we want, except he laughs at our quibbles in that annoying omnipotent way of his. Where's old baldy when you need him eh? Of course the end of this tale is rather dull, it all comes down to the fact that I emerged from said shop with a copy of 'The Message' (4 pounds 95p, all good bookshops), and very nearly a copy of 'The Book Of Love' by Roddy Lumsden, although I hit myself a lot so as not to spend money I don't have, which is a bad thing. Especially as I'd already purchased 'Saturday Afternoons and Wednesday Tea-Times' by Gil Stutters. Heartily recommended, it's a wonderful addition to any bookshelf or kitchen floor. So I'll steal the Poetry Parrot for a bit, and give you the pleasure of some of the man's finest work. Most are quite short, which for me only adds to their emotional potency. Prepare to be enthralled... Damn Sexy I watched her for a while And thought of writing her a letter Proclaiming that her eyes were like points of light in heaven But her arse was even better Rambling Leaning, I leant on a brown fence post The fence post of my dreams Wrapped up in all futures past time Presently A woodland creature stirs, cacophonous In it's fluffy silence It's haven of tree, my perpetual nightmare It's smallness echoes my own size, inversely. On Being A Potato Imagining the forcing earth Ambitious stalks crawling ever sunward Passing me, in my unchanging gloom No, this would not do The time would be the real finisher Although the opposite end, it would still Feel the same What would Poe have said, I wonder? Love nor Money What is love? Said the farmer to the merchant banker. Love is money, for both make the world go round Said he, in his city wisdom Ah, but did not Superman also make the world go round And backwards? Spake the farmer No, love is a new tractor, a red one. You're right, said the banker. The tears are welling as I type. But I'll recover just enough to give you the next in my occassional series (bet you never thought I'd continue it, did you? Oh, ye of little faith...) of "What People Used To Eat." And I don't care if no-one enjoyed the last one. This one's far worse. "What People Used To Eat: During The 1978 World Cup" John Buchanan of Stirling says "Oh aye, 1978. (Sings) We're on the march wi Ally's Army, we're gon to the Argentine! Oh aye, that was a great laugh, great times. The first match we played Peru, so we all ate marmalade. Truckloads of the fucking stuff. Even now I can only have honey or jam on my toast. Mention jaffas and half of me 'll be over your shoes less time than it takes for Scotland to be eliminated. Iran were next, but we couldn't think of anything to eat from there, so we just ate curries seeing as they look a bit Indian. Well, some of them anyways... The last game was against Holland, so naturally enough we all stuffed ourselves full of tulip bacon. Well, we tried to, but couldn't find any tulip bacon in Argentina, so we had to eat actual tulips out the local flower shop. They're not bad if you dump loads of salt on them. Looking back maybe we should have gone for cheese. We could have been eating sausages and pasta as well if Jonny Rep had just miss-kicked that one fae 35 yards, but we probably would have done ourselves serious damage. Anthony Reid of Essex recalls "The 1978 World Cup? I just ate what I usually ate, which was egg and chips. I'ts lucky we never qualified otherwise I'd have been eating Argentinian muck. We still laughed at the Jockos though." Starry: > Almost makes me want to get married meself. But white is SO not my colour. And Stephin Merrit is still gay. Which reminds me, I want to buy 69 Love Songs but I have no money. This REALLY annoys me. I've just realised I have no Monet either, which is what I just wrote before changing it. Actually I might have a book at home, which ruins a bad joke. Why do people keep calling 'Winter Wooskie' 'Winter Wooksie'? Is it just to annoy me? Shit, I've just worked out what it is! The first 3 notes are 8 Miles High by The Byrds. Has someone already said this? Oh, and since I nicked the Poetry Parrot I should send it to someone, so my co-pilot Kevan Cooke is getting it, since he usually steals my ideas anyway... B&S on TOTP eh? I can barely contain myself. I hope they've got their dance routine worked out. If Struan doesn't wear his silver trousers I want my licence fee back. I'd better not get a life before Friday, otherwise I might have to go out. Alasdair xx (Once a c*nt, always a c*nt) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Tue May 30 21:52:54 2000 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:52:54 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Unleash the Dragon Message-ID: <003a01bfca79$49e71dc0$e39f243e@itjfvkli> They're very weedy sounding congas, I bet they're bongos after all. I bought "Legal Man" today, at vastly inflated import prices. That's Katrina in that photo, you know. I think B&S have booked their place on the next Austin Powers soundtrack all right. It reminds me of Peter Sellers in "The Party". Tomorrow I'm going to rap over it, Jamiroquai style, to see if it gets any better. "Dick Slap" is a bit better. It reminds me of Denim, only with loose stools. I refuse to listen to "Winter Wooskie". Northern Soul rave-up, eh? I was a regular at the legendary Digbeth Casino in the early seventies, and they didn't have no fucking sitars. Has anyone noticed that "Thong Song" superstar Sisqo's name is a contraction of Sister Disco? Well it is, and he has to pay me royalties - 10p every time he grabs his grollocks. That's fifteen quid for every "Ready Steady Go" appearance. There's a bra shop underneath our new flat - can anyone lend me a periscope? Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vrider at xxx.net Tue May 30 23:27:50 2000 From: vrider at xxx.net (Vicki Rider) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:27:50 -0700 Subject: Sinister: The Guilty Always Talk Like That Message-ID: <002201bfca86$52b3b280$80d7e13f@compaq> Hi-- The last time I stole a book was in 6th grade. We were on our poetry unit and the teacher brought out all these poetry books. The only one I liked was this sixties classroom edition called "People In Poetry". It had all these great sixties-y poems ("Words so cataclysmic, words we've known since babyhood" to describe The Beatles' "You Won't See Me") it even had song lyrics to some West Side Story numbers and "59th Street Bridge Song". So at the end of the year I snuck it into my backpack. No one missed it. >stuart looks sooooo cute on the cover of the nme, and who ARE the smiths anyway? Aye, I deserved that. Has anyone heard of a band called The James Dean Driving Experience? I came across their name on a website and any band with a name like that must be good. I just heard "I Won't Share You" at Kinko's:-) But everyone else was too engrossed in their copying needs to notice a small auburn-haired girl waltzing to The Smiths. Just as well is suppose. Ciao! Rachel W. :-) Josef K: "For that matter, how can any man be more guilty than the next? Aren't we all merely human beings?" Judge: "The Guilty Always Talk Like That." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.com Wed May 31 01:29:01 2000 From: ian at xxx.com (Ian Connelly) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: seattle's Rocket reviews FYCYWLAP Message-ID: oh, good! this, from the city which brought us mudhoney and soundgarden (and has, ahem, stolen everett true from the UK); while i love those bands, is it any wonder that b&s aren't rockin' enuff for mr. josephes? still, a cursory search of his name on google.com shows that he seems to like death cab for cutie, has written a bunch for pitchforkmedia.com, and he's a raving fan of innuendo, as are we all. so hold your fire! he's just looking for attention, the sweet young thing. as are we all. ian somehow wishing i could mix big black's 'the model' together with b&s's 'the model.' ---------- Forwarded message ---------- The Band With the Mopey Crap By Jason Josephes Belle and Sebastian Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like a Peasant (Matador CD) My editor told me that I couldn't use the word "gay" to describe this release. He didn't care whether I meant gay as in homosexual or gay as in how things like friendship bracelets or barbecues without alcohol are, you know, gay. That's okay, though, because a number of adjectives come to mind, really juicy ones like "pedantic," "dim" and "achromatic." See, Belle and Sebastian, an eight-piece group out of Scotland, have been riding the USS Critic's Darling and landing in the hearts of those who thought that Morrissey was a little too butch. Lead singer Stuart Murdoch likes C.S. Lewis and Kafka, thus jettisoning the ridiculously outdated idea of giving their audience some light-hearted escapism. The band's 1997 release, If You're Feeling Sinister, actually wasn't too bad, but then came 1998's The Boy With the Arab Strap, a slow and sour collection of sissy-folk. The painfully titled Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like a Peasant continues to remove anything vaguely resembling a spinal cord from the proceedings. The songs just seem to sit in the corner and mope, hoping that somebody, ANYBODY will give them a hug when, in reality, nobody likes a crybaby. But hey, maybe you like lite-lite-FM music. Maybe you want a band whose idea of stepping out on a limb is to add a trumpet to the proceedings. Maybe you, too, enjoy a pity party and wouldn't mind inviting songs with titles like "Nice Day for a Sulk." Maybe you eat paste. Whatever your hang-up, don't let me deny you or the rest of the critics who are rushing to proclaim Sebastian as the Belle of the ball. (Get it?) I know I'm outnumbered. I also know that it's easy to lockstep with everybody else on a critically acclaimed release. (Shit, I even once gave a good review to the Murder City Devils. The Murder City Devils, people!) I gave this album a fair chance, but every time I listened to Fold Your Hands, I pictured an overweight 15-year-old girl writing in her diary and wondering why nobody loves her. As for the actual music, let's just say that this band has discovered its formula. When the accompaniment isn't imitating the plastic bag from American Beauty, the band will decide to pick up the pace. The same pace, as in this one particular rhythm. It's steady -- but not too fast, now! -- and it's sprightly and occasionally it's got handclaps or an electric piano or something else that's completely inoffensive. But in the end, it always sounds stuffy and incomplete. I doubt any of these guys are raging tigers (although a few of them might dig bears) which makes any visions of restraint on the band's part a little tough to...um, you know. So, in conclusion, while Fold Your Hands isn't gay, it's definitely greased up and bent over. No. 326, May 24 - June 7, ? Rocket Magazine, 2000. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Meredith57 at xxx.com Wed May 31 02:53:37 2000 From: Meredith57 at xxx.com (Meredith57 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:53:37 EDT Subject: Sinister: my fallow summertime Message-ID: <57.65a4529.2665caa1@aol.com> Dear Sinister, I saw someone who looked exactly like you the other day. So I ran up and knocked him in the back of his head with the heel of my hand, but when he turned around in blood-spitting anger I realized that it was not in fact you and I scampered away mumbling apologies. I've been home from school for a month, and I stumbled into employment a few weeks ago. Now I am working as a secretary for a multimillionaire who owns half of suburban Philadelphia. He has been having a lot of trouble keeping secretaries; they always seem to quit after just a short period of time. Of course, he has no idea why. (I, however, am starting to get a clue.) I do not see quitting as an option for me, because, well... ahem... he's my uncle. Wonderful situation, wouldn't you say? It's not too bad, I have a gift for pointless organization and I am fairly good at playing secretary. Nonetheless, I don't see a career opportunity here, because telephones make me terribly nervous. After work I wander home to lay on my bed and listen to music, drifting in and out of sleep until it's too late to nap. Then I get up and take a bath. Sometimes I look at my photo albums and laugh. It's lonely and it's quiet but it's ok for now. I really enjoy reading all of your letters. Who was it who told you that spending a summer wasting is a dangerous thing? Was it that heavyset fellow with the intricate comb-over? Oh, it doesn't matter. In any case, whoever it was, he's a venomous liar. Any good farmer would gladly explain to him that a season or two of weeds will increase productivity in the end. If you need the phone number of a good farmer, just ask my uncle. I had my first Belle and Sebastian dream the other day. Actually, it was a Stuart David dream. I discovered a cookbook in my kitchen and on the cover it said, "Stuart David's Gorgeous Desserts" with a picture of an old, smiling man holding up trays of desserts that were in fact quite pretty and well-decorated. I thought to myself, "That scoundrel, he's an old man and he's been fooling us all with that young, dashing but unconvincing stand-in!" However, later in my dream my brother introduced me to his friend Stuart David, who was the real Stuart David. When I questioned him in confusion, he sheepishly explained to me that the other fellow was a cunning impostor, and I felt wretched for having jumped to conclusions. One thing before I go ... We always tell each other about our beautiful dreams but not about the ugly ones. A few nights ago (in a dream, of course), I threw a boy down on the pavement and kicked him until he was nearly dead. Of course, he was trying to kidnap me to the land of evil, but still I didn't have to smash his teeth in or break his jaw. Sometimes you wake up from a dream with an ethereal breath in your lungs and the memory of that dream is just such a treasure, blah blah blah but sometimes you wake up and you are horrified and disgusted. Sometimes you dream about urine and vomit and war and stingrays and fat, sweaty, sobbing, tyrannical naked cartoon queens. Errr, I mean, sometimes I do. Respectfully, Meredith P.S. I too am suspicious of rabbits. Whenever I jog by them on the road, they run away from me. However, they make it a point to run out of their safe little bushes with a terrified look in their eyes, stand petrified for a second or two in front of me, and then tear back into an identical safe little bush. It's just as if they want to make it completely clear that they are running from me. The other day a whole pack of squirrels, six or seven of them, raced in panic from a tree just moments before I passed in order to hide in a tree on the opposite side of the road. A snub from the animal kingdom. P.P.S. If you're wondering about the queen, you will be relieved to know that I gave her a warm bath for her nerves and wrapped her in a soft, immense towel fresh from the dryer (just like her daddy used to do) and she decided not to cut off my head. * * * M.D.H. The Disenchanted Pony +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From CrimsonKing at xxx.net Wed May 31 03:02:41 2000 From: CrimsonKing at xxx.net (Andy Corradino) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 02:02:41 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Binge Drinking! Message-ID: <20000531020240.SGDF1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@LOCALNAME> I've been lurking for quite some time, but felt compelled to respond to lovely Courtney's post (one of the two or three Sinisterees I've actually met face to face). I say we do one better than an LA Sinisteree drinking party. I say we buy shitloads of wine, fruit, and cheeses, and all wear sheer togas. And then, if we should feel so inclined, we shall create a truth or dare circle and humiliate selected members in the middle of it. I've been in this naughty mood for quite some time. I think I've been bored since becoming a full time slacker after graduating university last summer. The group that opened for Supergrass in LA was one of the worst groups I've ever seen, and trust me, in the years and years I've been doing the LA club scene, I've seen my share of embarassing wankers. I didn't notice if the singer looked like Eartha Kitt because I was too busy ducking under the nearest table. Andy +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From FoxInASnow at xxx.com Wed May 31 03:27:48 2000 From: FoxInASnow at xxx.com (FoxInASnow at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:27:48 EDT Subject: Sinister: honey is the milkmaid of human kindness Message-ID: Hello lovelies. This post isn't about Honey at all actually, i just always wanted to name a post that, but i haven't posted anything recently. Until now. > Now I am working as a secretary for a multimillionaire who owns > half of suburban Philadelphia. I've noticed several people have mentioned Philadelphia or Pennsylvania or New Jersey recently and i was wondering, why aren't *WE* having a picnic like everyone else is? Unless we are and i wasn't invited. Hummm...anyway, *i* think it's a good idea. We could meet up in Love Park, just cos the name seems right. Just remember it's against the law to give food to homeless people there. Aha, love my arse. There are lots of other places to meet up too. If anyone else thinks it's a good idea. I know there were ten other things i wanted to say to the list, but i always think of them when i'm not at my computer and by the time i'm on again i've forgotten. This is why i never post. Jessica! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Meredith57 at xxx.com Wed May 31 04:12:25 2000 From: Meredith57 at xxx.com (Meredith57 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:12:25 EDT Subject: Sinister: For Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Delaware Listees Message-ID: Dear Neighbor, I am going to the shore next week, and I just thought to myself, how about a pickityshnickty for us? Yes? No? In any case, I will be on the beach in Avalon on June 10, and if I happen to see you there (wink wink, say no more, say no more) then, well, perhaps we could meet. (I have to confess, every single time that I write that I will meet someone I think in the back of my head that I will "meat" them... oh, I'm sorry to have burdened you with that. Try to forget it.) I know this is short notice but it would be tons of fun. We could party late into the night, dancing to the undanceable tunes of our beloved pop stars and throwing back some cold ones. So that's the plan. I'll be there. Will you? Please email me if you would like to join me, and I'll give you the exact place so that you don't have to scour the entire beach looking for a stunning buxom blond in a black bikini. (Because, my friend, you will never find me that way!) I will bring FISHYCLAP and a stereo, as well as a few beautiful friends and Amy, my little blue ferret. (She likes the beach but she does not like the ocean.) With Trepidation, Meredith +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kgtvb at xxx.com Wed May 31 05:11:12 2000 From: kgtvb at xxx.com (kg) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 21:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: i forget how comma's work sometimes Message-ID: <20000531041112.764.qmail@web3704.mail.yahoo.com> hello everyone... i'm kim, brand spankin new. i live in the state of connecticut.. but for only 6 more days. on june 7th i am moving 3,000 miles away to portland, oregon... all by myself. well, my sister is driving out there with me in the big moving truck... but then she is flying back to CT. i don't have a job yet... as a matter of fact i've been unemployed since february. i quit my job and took a 4 week trip overseas (i visited england, france, ireland and scotland--hooray!). and when i got back it took me a little bit of time to get everything in order... and now finally i'm getting my butt in gear and getting the heck away from the east coast. in the meantime i'm on damage control duty-- we got a new kitten last week and our adult kitty isn't pleased.. so i've been spending quite a bit of time petting and reassuring her that we still love her... that is when she isn't hissing at the kitten like a vicious snake! poor kitties! i've enjoyed reading all the posts so far these past 2 weeks that i've been in the nusery. legal man is causing quite a stir! all i have to say is, it's always a weird time when one's most cherished artist or band comes out with a new record. It usually takes some time for me to warm up to a new record... i get all worked up and most times feel let down when i have my first listen... but then i usually come around. it's always hard to welcome the new sounds in. although i must say that legal man is the exception to that rule-- i loved it on impact. i couldn't stop listening to it at first. it makes me want to have boy/girl parties where we eat icecream and play coy kissing games! it's so dreamy. but anyway, back to my point... i went to see elliott smith in nyc a few weeks ago. this was the 5th time (or 4th--i dunno) i've seen him live... he didn't play any accoustic songs.. everything he played was w/ the band and i don't think he played anything from his first 2 or 3 records. now, i don't want to sound like the bitter girl on the sidelines who frowns at shows cos i only like his "older stuff" but i have to say i was a little disappointed... but then i thought to myself... hey.. his new record is good..the gig is nice.. don't pout just cos he's not singing the songs he sang 3 years ago. i realized that i love his older stuff in a different way than i like his new stuff. and i just sorta have to think of him as 2 different elliott's. the one who makes my heart all melty and the one who does good more poppy songs with a full band behind him. it's sorta like liking 2 bands that sound completely different. hmm i don't know if that makes any sense now that i've typed it all out.. but it sure did when i was standing at the club... i dunno, it helped me to not be such a sour-puss. i think i've gone on enough for my very first post! if anyone lives in or around portland please send me an email to let me know you are out there! have there been any picnics in that area? your new pal, (the queen of the run-on sentence) *kg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jules at xxx.cx Wed May 31 05:37:25 2000 From: jules at xxx.cx (Julie Sauer) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 23:37:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Sinister: Night falls like a grand piano. Message-ID: Life in PA drones on. My job hunt has produced two interviews tomorrow, one of which is for a job which pays $13 an hour. This, pardon my French, is fucking ludicrous in this town. That's more than twice what I made when I worked at the Waldenbooks in the mall and tried to force every customer to buy Dorothy Parker poetry and Invitation To A Beheading (to no avail, they still walked out with the latest Oprah book) . So wish me luck. Speaking of the mall, I went there today to drop off a roll of film in K Mart and was suddenly reminded that northeastern PA has its own dialect, and Hazleton's is even distinct from the rest of the coal region. I heard the word "hayna" used in conversation. "Hayna" is a request for affirmation, and in speech it sounds like "henna". Example: "Cold for this time of year, hayna? Pass the pitza." Pitza is another Hazleton only word...it's completely different from pizza. Pitza is, as far as I know, only made by two bakeries, Senape's and Longo's, and Senape's is the real stuff. It's basically cold, square pizza, sold in boxes with two layers of the greasy stuff. But, damn, it's good. It's properly consumed with Farmer's Ice-Tea. A true Hazletonian meal. Someone pointed out to me a while back that there's actually a Coalspeak dictionary online (www.coalregion.com/speak.htm), and it's pretty accurate, but they've got a few definitions wrong and I have too much of my pride left to correct them. Now, all this talk of PA/Jersey meetups! Well, after the first post I sent bitching about this godforsaken state, several nice listees emailed me with prospective ways to spend my time, one of which was the We Rule The School dj night in Philly on the 7th I think. I forgot who actually told me about it, and I forgot the specifics, and the email magically disappeared from my inbox all on its own. But anyway, if there are enough of us in eastern PA/Jersey/DE to warrant a meetup, why don't we just meet up there? But as a warning, my loyalties still lie with the New Yorkers. :o) Laura Llew, Mcmcmc claims that Kyle Maclachlan was just on the Daily Show talking about performing Shakespeare naked. And Ben has realized that you can't spell "street" without ree. Fuckin' A, who needs a tv when you have the #sinister peeps, hayna?? I wuv you all. xoxo Julie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From spacegirldream3 at xxx.com Wed May 31 05:57:15 2000 From: spacegirldream3 at xxx.com (space girl) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 00:57:15 EDT Subject: Sinister: b&s review in alternative press Message-ID: <20000531045715.76989.qmail@hotmail.com> hey everyone, after reading the post on seattle rocket or whatever it is, i just thought for some heartening news the alternative press rated b&s new album i think 4 out 5 and raved about it. they also had a nice little interview with the drummer that was kind of insightful. it is the latest summer edition of alternative and it is rather nice, so in light of that other review that crushed it here is another to replace it. xoxox, spaceygirl ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From aconover at xxx.net Wed May 31 06:44:01 2000 From: aconover at xxx.net (adam apparatus) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 01:44:01 -0400 Subject: Sinister: maybe a dream... Message-ID: <200005310517.BAA07263@s1.optonline.net> do people on the list still care about other people's b+s dreams? i don't know, but here's mine... i don't remember it too well, so this is right out of my journal... "i was at an Ani [DiFranco]/Looper concert, which for some reason was held in a group of concentric rings of hedges with the band in the center and seats in between each ring. Melissa [my friend] was there, and some other of my friends who showed up in the dream later. Ani played first, but she wasn't opening -- it was a reverse opening sort of thing. Melissa stood real close to the stage to watch Ani and there were these huge walls on the stage covered with the lyrics to the songs Ani was playing. [they looked sort of like big rolls of parchment, but made of wall.] when Ani stopped, Melissa came back, and then wanted to reserve another "up-close" space for Looper. i went with her, but we decided against it because it seemed rude. when Looper played, however, they played off to the side of the stage, so i kept trying to find a good place to see them from, but they kept *moving*! finally, Stuart David moved inside the final ring, and everyone rushed in (to the stage, more or less.) i think i must have woken up then." oh, well, not so exciting, i guess. - adam aconover at optonline.net Tempus Fugit is at: http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~conover/tempus/main.html +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Pinaplcrsh at xxx.com Wed May 31 07:20:22 2000 From: Pinaplcrsh at xxx.com (Pinaplcrsh at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 02:20:22 EDT Subject: Sinister: looking for roommate(s)/place to live in oakland/berkeley Message-ID: <2f.5f1f0ab.26660926@aol.com> someone please help me. i've got a bit of an emergency. i apologize to those of you who receive this more than once and for maybe some slight list abuse, but i'm desperate. i thought i had a housemate lined up, but she's flaked on me and ,due to this flakiness, i now have a month to find a new place to live(in the berkeley/oakland, ca area) and at least one person to live with. i'd prefer to find two housemates and get a 3-bedroom house, but at this point i'll kind of take what i can get. along with me comes treble, the raddest cat you'll ever meet. i kind of have some special circumstances that are a slight bummer, but you get compensated for the bummer. i'm disabled so i need some care, but the government will pay you for it(we're working on getting them to pay for up to 40 hours a week so like $800-900 possibly a month). i'm looking for someone or someones who actually give a damn about taking care of me and are nice and aren't just helping me for the cash though. i'm a sweetheart unless you piss me off and really easy to live with and treble's the same. please e-mail me privately if you really are interested in this and are able to do it. again, someone please help me! thanks in advance. take care. *alyssa marie* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ian at xxx.com Wed May 31 07:57:55 2000 From: ian at xxx.com (Halliday, Ian) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 18:57:55 +1200 Subject: Sinister: Judy, drinks and TOTP Message-ID: <3934B7F3.8637056C@halliday.com> How many other songs mention Judy? The Stranglers had a song called Punch and Judy, the Ramones said something about Judy if I remember correctly while of course Judy featured as the main character in the Boomtown Rats' "Rat Trap" of fond memory. I think the new Judy melody is a very catchy little thing and I wait patiently here in New Zealand for the new album to arrive here. Surely it will be a wondrous day! New Zealand doesn't make much impact on the world's stage, but you trendy and not so trendy sinisterenes should keep an eye or two open for an exciting beverage to be launched in the big and important parts of the world. I have no financial interest at all in "V", a pleasant enough beverage which you should not drink after 3pm if you are planning to sleep that night. If I believe the NZ media (a dangerous thing to do at any time) then the said "V" is about to be/has just been launched amid great hype in Britain. Is this correct? Finally, perhaps some of you old people like me who still listen to "pop" music can help my tragically failing memory. In the old days, when TOTP couldn't get the performer of a rising song or a halfway to decent promo video, a group of scantily clad women called "Pan's People" would dance to the song. After their demise, another outfit called "Legs & Co" fulfilled the same role. But, for around two months in between, a bizarre mixed-sex group danced ridiculous dances until the great British public told them not to be so ridiculous and p.c. because dancing women sell records and weird dancers don't. My question is, what were this lot called? I think the name had "Kipper" in it, but I'm not sure. "Fish Co" was a different something altogether, I think. These days, do B&S ever furnish material for TOTP? It's not a well promoted show here as far as I know, and everybody looks strangely at me when I talk about B&S, still obviously a minority interest. If you have read this far, thank you. Ian -- Ian W Halliday, BA Hons, MIMIS, ANZCS, ATMB, CL http://www.baptism.co.nz +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hewits at xxx.uk Tue May 30 12:44:20 2000 From: hewits at xxx.uk (stephen hewitt) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:44:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I could dance all nite like i'm a soul boy Message-ID: <9188A3453EEED111BD7300805FEDEB690125A2CE@park_ex> swells? swells? SMELLS (of wee), more like. Alex P (for !P!O!P!) Tobin said: > anybody know what drugs the man (swells) is on and where i can get some? > He's *obviously* on "bigfatbaldoldman" drugs and i really don't think you want any of *them* do you? These drugs are so powerful that they can make you think MUSE are a good band ferchristsakes, don't see THEM storming the barricades with the may day rioters now do you????? I haven't seen THEIR 10 point plan for changing society!! Didn't REALISE third-rate radiohead would bring down capitalism as we know it. Ah, but they have LOUD guitars, which is equivilant to politics when you are on bigfatbaldoldman drugs. AND, AND, how come Leftfield can get away with, and indeed be praised for, hiding away from the music press and doing things their own way... Sorry, I'll stop now..... Anyway, nice weekend everyone? good. I think 15 is a nicely respectable placing, especially in the current bedlam that is the UK top 40, any bets on next weeks position? I'll go for 34 (bearing in mind, non-UK listees, that singles no longer go up in our chart, they simply enter and then fall). Should we organise like a little page to put reviews of the new album on, rather than sending them all to the list? I realise there are like copywrite issues and stuff, but it'll put them all in a big pile and we can compare them. I'm sure i could knock something up if people want to send me their local press reviews, the more obscure the better i guess, especially if there are off the wall opinions or comparisons. I'm getting a bit worried about Nick Dastoor, if his next post quotes Huey Lewis and the News or Whitney Houston we'd better start checking his flat for nailguns, habitrail and severed heads... xoxo CarsmileSteve +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From buron at xxx.com Wed May 31 09:30:26 2000 From: buron at xxx.com (St=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=phane Buron) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:30:26 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Legal Man for free... In-Reply-To: <41D61E4C1F62D111A3B300805FE6B65401A99B43@dalex6.dal.na.levi.com> Message-ID: Hi Liste chérie... If you ever happen to live in France, you can have the opportunity to save a few francs. Maybe you don't know, but 'Legal Man' is not distributed in France. That's why I ordered it on Action Records, by the way. And yet, I've just read in the french magazine Les Inrockuptibles that Virgin record stores will *offer* Legal Man to the people who will *buy* Fold Your Hands... Weird, isn't it ? Stéphane +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From timothy at xxx.net Wed May 31 10:32:53 2000 From: timothy at xxx.net (Scampi) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:32:53 +0100 Subject: Sinister: of course the grass is greener - they painted it. Message-ID: <004901bfcae3$33a4f9a0$2a00010a@hostb42.internal.zone> So, the new single. I don't really know what to make of it. I don't dislike it, but then again it doesn't grab me like the other singles have managed to. I play legal man once and for some reason find myself being forced to play saint tropez off the eurotrash album, and from this it is only a small skip across to the sin and depravity that is track 11, bananaramas version of waterloo. ooo, it makes me cringe. Perhaps it will grow on me, but in the meantime I think I will slip legal man back into the case and return the dog on wheels EP to it's rightful slot in the cd player. Once upon a time, not too long ago, Ian Halliday said: >How many other songs mention Judy? Forget music, for me there is only one judy, judge judy, upholder of all that is fair and decent. Except tv programmes of course. I am after some tit-bits of advice from the merry londers - I am moving down in august and I have no idea which parts of london are good and which parts are bad. Can you suggest where's nice - I would be ever so grateful. I am after a wee little house somewhere that doesn't smell too much, where I can run back to the north easily from and where i can leave my little mini without fear of coming out in the morning to find it even littler. Oh, and cheap is good. If a cow falls asleep in your front garden does it mean it is going to rain? scampi..x the milky bars are on me. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rarepleasures at xxx.net Mon May 22 12:18:55 2000 From: rarepleasures at xxx.net (Tony Charles Green) Date: 22 May 00 12:18:55 BST Subject: Sinister: Nick Drake Message-ID: <20000522111855.21928.qmail@nwcst320.netaddress.usa.net> I got a chance to see 'A Skin Too Few', the Nick Drake documentary recently. What struck me most initially was the footage of Nicks room which looked like it hadn't changed since his death. Then right at the end one of his home recordings which really spooked me. I think Island are planning to release it as part of a reissued box set later in the year, and next month the 12 Bar is organising a Nick Drake Tribute Concert to celebrate what would have been his birthday. Its nice to see him finally reaching the people he so desperately wanted to mean something to during his life. T. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ KATHRYN WILLIAMS @ The Spitz : London : Wed 24th May ~ ~~ CAT POWER @ The Spitz : London : Mon 29th & Tue 30th May ~ ~~ ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jasonandreas at xxx.net Wed May 31 13:01:02 2000 From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:01:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the NME review of FYHCYWLAP Message-ID: <003701bfcaf7$e58fc280$948f183e@default> Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant (Jeepster) Two years since their last album of new material, and all the characteristic eccentricities that once made Belle & Sebastian such an interesting, mysterious and nobly intransigent musical/ cultural phenomenon have begun to wear thin. They offered a suitably shabby, second-hand blanket of anti-establishment isolationist sentiment and fuzzily melodic nostalgia, and the disaffected flocked to them like moths to a porchlight. Yet their continued refusal to engage with the media has begun to beg certain hazardous, legend-debunking questions: is their wilful facelessness a symptom of timidity, or arrogant inverse elitism? Is their dedication to the underachieving indie ethos and dusty musical convention a gesture of rebellion, or are they just lazy? Despite the unimpeachable beauty of their every recorded moment, their art has failed to evolve - and it seems that if they are going to be the voice of misfit society, they should at least have something to say. Finding even a hint of modernity on a Belle & Sebastian album would be akin to seeing Christ's face in a ciabatta roll - startling, unlikely and, in such a context, unappetising. It isn't as though one wants breakbeats or cameo rappers, but some sort of progression ? a fresh twist that might distinguish this from any other B&S record, perhaps - seems a reasonable request. It is not one, however, that they seem particularly concerned with. Despite the fact that songwriting contributions from other members continue to proliferate, it's amazing how much their sound remains strictly marshalled within Stuart Murdoch's vision. So although there are intimations of Isobel Campbell's predilection for nursery rhyme lullabies and Stevie Jackson's love of Motown (plus a first-time offering from violinist Sarah Martin, 'Waiting For The Moon To Rise'), we are still fixed firmly in what is now 'classic' B&S territory - watercolour strings and parps of brass, intricately constructed arrangements executed with effortless, vivid panache. And, of course, Stuart Murdoch's airless, disinterested voice presides. To be fair, there are minor diversions from the template. Even though the songs are narratives starring boys and girls rather than men and women, they deal less with mawkish adolescence and more with abstract emotional disquiet. 'I Fought In A War' is a soldier's letter home to his sweetheart, 'The Model' is a rambling, confessional apology (distinguished by lines like, "It was the best sex she ever had", sung by a man who sounds as though he would find the sight of a woman's bare ankle terrifying ), and the marvellous 'Don't Leave The Light On, Baby' shimmers with the sort of arching, dimmer-switch and shag-pile sensuality that begs for a reprise. 'The Wrong Girl' is a Spector/ Bacharach/'Daydream Believer'-type affair, and the most unashamedly pop song on the album, while 'Chalet Lines' is a minimal, brittle sketch of half-forgotten romance. All of these balance out the album's less inspired patches - the nauseatingly cute 'Nice Day For A Sulk', the fluffy-cardigan handclaps and Schroeder piano of 'Woman's Realm', for example - and ultimately, despite all its self-defeating limitations and annoying, fey affectations, this remains a superb record. Quintessentially Belle & Sebastian. Frustrating. Contrary. Insubstantial. Yet, in that insular, cloyingly sanctimonious world they inhabit, still peerless, still irresistible. 8/10 April Long --Jason Andreas If nice guys finish last, then I'll never finish at all... ICQ: 45821217 AIM: RadioJase +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From buron at xxx.com Wed May 31 13:04:35 2000 From: buron at xxx.com (St=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=phane Buron) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:04:35 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Mick's Interview In-Reply-To: <004901bfcae3$33a4f9a0$2a00010a@hostb42.internal.zone> Message-ID: Just a quick note to tell you there's an interview of Mick Cooke on the excellent french webzine Popnews. It's at http://www.popnews.com/popnews/bsitw/ it's in french, but well... Stéphane God, two posts a day... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vibrosheep at xxx.net Wed May 31 13:15:23 2000 From: vibrosheep at xxx.net (vibrosheep at xxx.net) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:15:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Are you free Mr Miller ? Message-ID: <200005311215.MAA28413@mailhost.vivao.net> Kevin Cooke - Stu M looks nice on front of NME... He looks like Simon Le Chuffing BonBon. I bet he had white socks and them funny slip-on pump thingys behind that their table. So he used to be a boxer, is that why he's so nasal ? I think the Rolling Rock thing was just to try and give everyone the idea that Scots are in fact a bunch of lightweight shandy drinking poofs. I know you're all alcoholics really. Sarah Clarke - Only 67 points ??? My suit alone is worth double that in Somerfields Argos points. Peter Miller - Bra shops, bongos and dung beetles. Thankyou for the belated congrats. The joy of being an expectant father...the one time you can get away with calling the missus a whale, though she tends to get rather emotional at such suggestions, don't understand it myself. So living above the local bra shop, do you offer to cover for the proprietor while she takes her fag breaks ? Legal Man - It's good, though it must be bad because Kate likes it, but it's good because it polled more votes than Sia on Mark Goodiers early Saturday morning thingy, when you crazy lazy student types are all in bed, but it must be bad because my friend says all my music goes "ba ba ba ba ba" and this one actually does. But it's good cos its going to be on Videotech and TOTP, but thats bad cos I only watch Sky Sports. I actually forgot it had been released when i went to buy Geometrid, so i had to rush in on the Tuesday morning and picked the one off the front and the case was cracked big time and I was upset. Bye. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From janne.lardot at radiolinja.fi Wed May 31 15:18:00 2000 From: janne.lardot at radiolinja.fi (Lardot Janne RL) Date: 31 May 2000 16:18:00 +0200 Subject: Sinister: lazy line painter janne (cringe) Message-ID: ...spending warm summer days indoors, writing awful subject lines... hello list. i'm _not_ feeling sinister. nor do i much feel like painting lines. /me finally gathered enough courage to try jeepster chat, and found it a pleasant, if a bit embarassing experience. everyone seemed to know everyone else, and i had nothing interesting to say. i'll do it again tomorrow though. even though the bone that was the london picnic has been picked completely clean, i really have to add my two pennies. press delete now. THE GLORIOUS LONDON PICNIC IN CAPITAL LETTERS after a scary minicab ride and a lung-bursting climb up the hill, there was the sinister massive. and a grate lot you were too. there was much gaiety and i met loads of lovely people. whose names i instantly forgot. the two pubs after the picnic were ok and dire, respectively. one male list member, who shall remain nameless*, was quite crap in Nokia Snake, if you must know. 2ktt was unbelievable. every third song a b&s one, wow! i'm going to start my own indie/poetry/cafe kind of thingy in helsinki. after i win the lottery. FISHYCLAP ...supposedly came out yesterday in finland, according to the friendly neighbourhood indie record store. i cannot confirm or deny this before friday though. we'll see. oh yes, we'll see.** on friday, that is. EVIL DREAMS Meredith said something about evil dreams. i had one sunday night. all my workmates were vampires in it, and they took me to a scary graveyard, and proceeded to chase me, threatening me with all kinds nasty things. i woke up before they caught me though. i'm now carrying a flask of holy water on my person at work. just. in. case. BIG CAPITAL PROPS AND SHOUTS OUT TO CALUMN ...for putting the london pics on the net. and i'm in two of them! look out for the boy with the silver hair... WORKPLACE PARTIES IN WEIRD PLACES WITH LOADS AND LOADS OF FREE BEER. GOOD/BAD IDEAS? DISCUSS it's that time of the year again. all 800-900 of us are heading to the countryside to drink in traditional finnish style*** and go to sauna at the same time with the different sex etc. the office gossip will positively flourish in the following days. A THANK YOU finally, i would like to thank everyone who took me under their wing and/or bought me vodka+orange juice in london. thanks for making that saturday extra, extra special to me. you are fantastic. I love you, list. - j a n n e - (the undisputed champion of the of the mini ping pong-table since 05/2000) *it was Mark **followed by a cackle of high-pitched laughter ***he said with HEAVY sarcasm P.S. btw, if any fans of bis or badly drawn boy are listening, i wouldn't mind if someone made me a tape/told which cd:s of them i should get. i thanga you. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk Wed May 31 14:22:35 2000 From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:22:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Irresistibly cloyingly sanctimonious Message-ID: <802568F0.004A830C.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk> What an odd review. April Long struggles to articulate what it is that's so annoying about the band, makes a few completely bizarre assessments ('The Chalet Lines' documents a 'half-forgotten romance'? Some romance) and then wraps it up by saying they record's bloody good. I've heard of love-hate relationships, but how anyone can describe something as both 'cloyingly sanctimonious' and 'irresistible' in the same sentence, I can't really understand. It's not that NME writers can't write anymore - it's as if they can't *think*. Stuart's got a letter published in Angst. It's a bit of a rant really. I like his 'it's like we're going out and you're trying to change me' analogy. What a lot of fuss this thing is causing. I agree with Peter Miller that the original piece wasn't half as bad as everyone's making out. Yes, Steven Wells's argument comes across as incredibly half-baked, but I almost got a sense that he knew it. It all comes down to whether or not you agree with his (and April Long's, it seems) belief that people who make records have a certain set of responsibilities to the media. I don't understand why they do, but there you go. Wells tried to drag the fans into it by saying the band treat them badly (tuning up with their backs to the audience and making 'in jokes' apparently - can't say I've ever noticed this especially and I was at the same Manchester concert as he was) but I think he's way off target. The Shepherd's Bush debacle was a pain for some people and that's a shame, but the band did apologise. Oh, and there's the new single format 12"/CD bollocks. But it's not really enough to build a whole thesis on 'contempt for the fans' is it? There's two other letters supporting the band this week. One a bit crap (describing B&S as writing some 'pleasant' songs is hardly going to win over the naysayers). The other one's good though. I hestitate to fall in with the 'NME are angry cause they know they don't matter much anymore' crowd, just cause it seems like a bit of a "ner ner ne ner ner" argument. Reminds me of that Half Man Half Biscuit song 'Bad Review' where the aggrieved party mutters "I only buy it for the gig guide, anyway." But yeah it might be valid nonetheless. It's a weird situation when I'm only buying a publication to read a letter from someone slagging it off. Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From nik_ovenden at xxx.com Wed May 31 14:45:49 2000 From: nik_ovenden at xxx.com (Nik Ovenden) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 06:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Turns out my subconscious would fit in well in Sinister Village... Message-ID: <20000531134549.13299.qmail@web2104.mail.yahoo.com> Dear lords and ladies, well, what a day. and it's only halfway through. You know when you get those days when you wish that lobotomies could be free to all on the NHS? maybe this is just me, but i need some amnesia medicine (commonly known as alcohol) to cope with the days events. Sorry for those of you who hate the "you'll never guess what happened to me today..." emails, but i was, well, part-informed to do so. At 4am today, i woke with my girlfriend to a perculiar predicament. Somehow, her skirt had wended its way from her bag to my waist, while asleep. Part-drowsy, i turned to her and said "do i have your skirt on?" suggesting that i may be wrong. Unfortunately, it proved i was not wrong. She then laughed for at least an hour before we managed to return to the green fields of foreverland...while i lay humbled. That ain't the worst bit. I cannot entirely remember how i did it. odds are i put it on as it was the best thing to hide my equipment while i went to the loo. At worst, i could've slept-walked to my parents room...ho hum. The skirt wasn't bad, i'm not slamming the skirt, it's just...disarming to wake up, unaware of your events whilst asleep. But that's not all; from here it gets murky. One of my mates arrived to pay �90 for our flat at the edinburgh festival, and i pretty much openly humiliated my girlfriend. Not just mild, either. Full-blown "if your mate wasn't here i'd chop off your bollocks and shove them up your ass" rage humiliation. Then, for the next 4 hours, i sat, feeling incredibly guilty (the guilt where you feel that popping yourself is the only way to a: regain sanity and b: rid the world of another stupid tosser) Well...then i saw here off, feeling incredibly guilty, sad, depressed (i hate depression, it's such a sodding useless feeling. It makes me want to smash things and dance) plus other adjectives, then when she was gone, i popped up to the post office to get bolognese sauce (for penne...mmm) and an icecream for my little brother. You think that's all? not so! I arrived at the post office to find it locked. Fine, wednesday afternoon, half-day closing for the p.o, especially out here in the sticks. Unfortunately, the shop was dark and an alarm was ringing. Does bad karma pay itself off in one lump sum PLUS interest, or what?! so, i had to sprint home and call the police. Not 999, mind you, as i saw no criminal on the premises. So i call the local number: "okay sir, i'll patch you through to 999". 2 minutes later: "sorry sir, i'll try another line". FECK FECK FECK, by this point i'm visualising some cockless worm cutting up our post office people. Not nice, when you see the owners of the shop daily, to find their shop locked with a siren wailing. Anyway, the police have despatched a car, taken my name and number, so i'm expecting a call soon. Plus, the sodding post office number is ex-directory! how sodding useless is that?! a SHOP with an ex-directory phone number!!!!! Anyway, no alkypops for me till the bobbies have been round or they'll think i've been at the old bottle too much. I'm off to die quietly...maybe after making some pancakes, if i can find plain flour. Be my sodding luck if i have any at all... cheers for caring (or not, it's nice to type shit for 20 minutes,) niko xxx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From LNino at xxx.com Wed May 31 14:46:47 2000 From: LNino at xxx.com (LNino at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 06:46:47 -0700 Subject: Sinister: pour les phrancophones... Message-ID: <41D61E4C1F62D111A3B300805FE6B65401A99B4F@dalex6.dal.na.levi.com> j'ai trouve cette interview dans le mailing list de PopNews. www.popnews.com Il y a une version en anglais aussi. Juno _____ BELLE AND SEBASTIAN Toujours tres discret dans la presse, Stuart Murdoch, le leader des Belle & Sebastian. Et c'est peu dire. Alors il faut user de stratageme et devoyer Mick, trompette du groupe pour qu'ils nous livrent quelques impressions, alors qu'approche la sortie de "Fold your hands child, you walk like a peasant". A quelques jours de la sortie du quatrieme album de Belle and Sebastian, dans quel etat se trouvent les membres du groupe ? Bonne question. Enthousiastes. nerveux peut etre. Je crois que les gens vont aimer cet album. Comment s'est passe l'enregistrement de l'album ? Il fut difficile au depart. Il nous a fallu un peu de temps pour que les chansons sonnent comme nous les aimons. "The Model" par exemple, fut enregistre en trois occasions differentes et a chaque fois il y eut peut etre cinq prises de la chanson. Alors il y a au moins quinze versions de ce titre qui trainent quelque part. Une seule fut la bonne ! Mais a partir de l'ete dernier, on a decide de s'amuser un peu. C'est a ce moment que "Legal Man" et "Judy Is A Dick Slap" (deux titres du EP qui doit sortir fin mai) furent enregistrees. Est-ce que vous croyez que le groupe a ete affecte par le depart de Stuart David pour Looper ? Je pense que ce fut une chose positive qu'il parte. Il etait deja tres occupe par Looper avant, donc d'une certaine maniere cela nuisait au groupe. Au bout du compte, il a pense que c'etait plus honnete de quitter le groupe. C'est comment de travailler avec Stuart Murdoch ? Super, c'est un garcon adorable. On se marre bien. Et il est toujours pret a accepter les idees des autres. On pense tous qu'a la fin de la journee, la chose la plus importante c'est la chanson. Comment contribuez-vous aux chansons de Belle and Sebastian ? Est-ce que chacun vient avec ses idees ou est-ce que tout se deroule lors des sessions d'enregistrement ? Non, la plupart des chansons sont ecrites avant que nous entrions en studio et sont generalement assez bien arrangees a ce moment la. Quelqu'un, que ce soit Stuart, Isobel ou Stevie... apporte sa chanson avec les paroles, la melodie vocale et les accords, et alors le groupe cherche ensemble des idees pour l'arrangement. L'exception de cette session fut "Legal Man" ou tout le monde s'est implique dans l'ecriture des le debut. Qu'est-ce qui est nouveau sur cet album ? Je pense que "Don't Leave The Light On Baby" etait un nouveau son pour nous (enfin, evidemment pas "nouveau", plutot nouveau dans le sens ou, par exemple, des vetements d'occasion sont nouveaux lorsqu'ils viennent d'etre achetes), tout comme "Beyond The Sun Rise". Nous avons fait des experimentations avec du clavecin, des carillons d'orchestre, et une grande section de cordes aussi. Qui sont les Maisonettes ? Comment vous est venus l'idee de faire une chanson avec eux ? Les Maisonettes sont une blague entre Isobel, Sarah et notre amie Rozanne, qui chante sur "Legal Man". Quand nous etions d'enregistrer, elles parlaient de maisonnettes et le mot est reste. Il n'y aucun rapport avec le vrai groupe, les Maisonettes. Nous esperons qu'ils ne nous ferons pas de proces, ce qui serait assez ironique avec un tel titre: "Legal Man" ! Un magazine francais parlait de Belle and Sebastian comme de la plus belle escroquerie des annees 90. Le dernier groupe a avoir recu ce traitement fut les La's, vous sentez vous honores ? Je ne comprends pas ce qu'ils veulent dire. Est-ce que c'est parce que nous sommes consideres comme ne faisant rien de nouveau ? Ca ne me gene pas. Nous n'essayons pas particulierement de faire quelque chose de nouveau. Peu de groupes qui essaient de faire ca sont bons. Avez-vous prevu de partir en tournee cet ete ? Ou ? En Amerique d'abord, puis dans le sud de l'Europe et enfin au Royaume-Uni. N'est-ce pas un peu schizophrene de jouer a la fois dans un groupe de ska et dans Belle and Sebastian ? Je suppose que oui. j'aime un tas de genres differents. Ca me permet d'avoir plus de cordes a mon arc. Le trompettiste de James avait ete accuse par la presse d'avoir sabote l'album "Seven" qui aurait du porter le groupe vers la gloire et la celebrite. Est-ce que vous sentez une certaine pression ? Je n'ai pas ecoute celui la. Je me sens quand meme menace, nous en sommes au quatrieme album, et on ne m'a pas encore accuse de cela... Quel est votre influence sur la musique du groupe ? Hmm, assez difficile a dire. Nous ecoutons tous tellement de musique. Je presume que j'ai du apporter une petite touche de jazz, particulierement sur "The Boy With The Arab Strap". Mais je ne pretend pas jouer du jazz, je suis un joueur de trompette "pop", le jazz est trop dur pour moi de toute facon ! propos recueillis par Etienne Chronique de " Tigermilk " Chronique de " The Boy With The Arab Strap" Chronique de " This Is Just A Modern Song" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From joeygalloro at xxx.com Wed May 31 18:52:03 2000 From: joeygalloro at xxx.com (Joe Galloro) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:52:03 -0500 Subject: Sinister: ahh me voice Message-ID: <001f01bfcb28$edd2aa80$5cf20218@cdrrpd1.ia.home.com> Dear ladies and gents, I got my voice today and oh does it feel great. I have been patiently waiting for it. But of course I have nothing interesting to say. I am boy from the midwest. I have been infatuated with Belle and Sebatian for about two years now. I have all their recordings and love them all. I don't have any B&S related topics. So I guess just be quiet now. Howdy Dylan Mc. C-Ya all later. joe g. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.org Wed May 31 20:31:09 2000 From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:31:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Not half.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David White said: > *some stuff about nutters* Look, can we please be sensitive to who our immediate audience is (1300 people and their friends) and who our total audience is (everyone who reads or searches the archives on the WWW, forever)? Never mind being sensitive to passing potentially hurtful and unsubstantiated (and in this case, frankly, *wrong*) hearsay on to that audience without some thought. You have a certain amount of power posting your own thoughts on to such a large audience, and it just seems to me fairly obvious that it's different from a conversation in a pub. This isn't a tabloid newspaper. So can you please be careful over individuals? Else it's just not fair. Anyway look, here's something from someone at MTV, note the enthusiastic MTV !!!!s. He hasn't replied yet to a request for more info yet so I don't know where you can find more details about the chat, or whether it's on in Europe or whatever, and I'm not really up to searching at the moment. But some of you might be interested. Sorry for the lack of replies from me to list requests and private emails lately - I'm struggling with things, I'm going to be very slow for a bit, so I might enlist some help from others. So don't be surprised if you get delayed replies from other people to subscription requests etc. And thanks for rallying round and making the list yummy again. Honey x --- From: "McWhorter, Weston" To: "'honey at missprint.org'" Subject: Belle & Sebastian Promo from MTV.com Here's some news on a special promo MTV.com is doing to celebrate Belle & Sebastian's new release!!! Starting at 12:01AM on June 5th, MTV.com brings you the exclusive 24 hour preview of BELLE & SEBASTIAN's newest album Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant. This is the 4th album from the reclusive, Scottish indie-rockers and delivers some pleasing new twists to their addictive pop sound. The band is notorious for leaving a trail of obsessed fans in the wake of every album. Come back on the 5th to see if they can make a convert of you!!! That's not it!!! Members of Belle & Sebastian will join us for a chat at 7PM (ET) on Monday June 5th to spread the good word. Come by early, listen to the album, chat with the band, and then listen again. It's the next best thing to visiting them at home. See you there!!!! "Music is the lamb that made a lion out of me..." -Esthero wes mcwhorter MTVi Group manicgenius at mtvigroup.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk Wed May 31 20:51:37 2000 From: mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk (fiona) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:51:37 BST Subject: Sinister: social, compatible, sexual, irresistable Message-ID: <293333B487B@mail1.mcc.ac.uk> evenin' kidz thought i'd post before i leave the world of free university email for a while. i've just deleted every post from the last three days or so which had a subject line or an opening paragraph which mentioned stephen wells or nme evn once and i feel much better. i don't care what some srappy southern journalist thinks or writes, i'm just not interested. hello to everyone i met in sheffield on friday, i'm not even going to attempt to remember names, but suffice to say you were all lovely and apologies for my not being drunk enough to provide the usual sparkling company. on the way back, i found the material for #2 in fiona's occasional series of : ~public transport disasters~ we got on the train in sheffield at 2:09 am as planned. we fell asleep. we woke up at about 6:30 am... in sheffield. for some reason that didn't strike me as strange at the time, but when i finally got to bed at 7:30 i was really really not impressed. remind me not to post to sinister and participate in jeepster chat at the same time, i can't concentrate on either and consequently am making a mess of both. if anyone's interested though, jeepsterchat has changed colour!!! and hello to anyone who was online when the chart was on the radio on sunday, it was a fantastic experience talking to b+s people whilst listening to where they entered the chart, you could feel the anticipation. apparently its going to be #36 next week our night yesterday was double booked, and the nasty people didn't even tell us till we got there. raaaaaa. so we didn't get to dj at all, but we lent the guy who was doing it our copy of fishyclap and he played the wrong girl for me, so i was happy and he's a famous dj on the manchester scene and he didn't have a copy and we did, so nurr nurr to him. hahahaha. i'll leave you now kids, as i don't really have anything more to say, but if i don't speak to you again, have a fabulous summer, and i'll be at feegrr at hotmail.com love and jaffa cakes, fiona twee scottish pop - http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/worlofirnbru +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk Wed May 31 21:28:16 2000 From: amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk (amy_jackson0) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:28:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: otis redding (possibly the best singer in the world ever) Message-ID: <006d01bfcb3e$e1086d60$6f543c3e@tinypc> i've just scared my mother in a way only a 16 year old tee totaler can... my mam won a bottle of vodka in a raffle last week, so my auntie Fiona brought it over. we didn't think anything else of it, and mam decided that herself and dad would save it for a big occasion that needs celebrating (like when i leave home)...anyway, cut to this evening, i'm sat in my room having A Deep And Intellectual Conversation on the phone with a very very good mate and Fiona suddenly appears in my room. Not in a magic way or anything, she just sorta walked in......anyways, it turned out that vodka bottle#1 was filled with water "for a joke on your mother" and she handed me vodka bottle#2, unopened... (heh heh heh)........so, me being me (i.e. extremely aggravating to the parental units) i ran downstairs, opened vodka bottle#1 and went through to mam and downed the lot.* the colour drained from her face and she shouted "good god amy, what on earth have you done!" and she then went to phone the doctor!! i burst out laughing, by which time she noticed i hadn't collapsed and she saw that it was water in said bottle. sadly, she found bottle#2, so that is no longer in my possession, but kids, if you ever want to scare your parents, that is the way to do it, believe me! i still haven't got "legal man"............................ only one more exam, then i've left school!!! then on the 9th of June i'm off to Glasgow&Edinburgh until tuesday which'll be, in the words of Ali G's Borat from Kazakhstan "very nice"! otherwise......haven't done much.........oh yeah, i wonder if B&S will have the study at stow t shirts on on friday? and i wonder if isobel will do the "mid-air aqua aerobics" dance? time can only tell... big hugs, littlebelle xxxxx (supporting aberdeen fc and annoying her parents1983) *remember, this is not big and not clever. especially with Real Alcohol ################################# "Dougal, I'm on the feckin' wheel!!" Father Ted ################################# +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jellybabs at xxx.com Wed May 31 22:17:58 2000 From: jellybabs at xxx.com (Katy Dutton) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:17:58 PDT Subject: Sinister: Not half.... Message-ID: <20000531211758.98673.qmail@hotmail.com> Honey mentioned B&S on MTV. Judging by the address - MTV.com - this is American MTV. I guess a likely outlet for this sort of thing in the UK would be M2 (which is now perhaps MTV 2?). They have a website, and I have a sneaking suspicion it's at www.mtv2.co.uk, but I may be wrong. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pookie59 at xxx.com Wed May 31 23:04:26 2000 From: pookie59 at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:04:26 PDT Subject: Sinister: poetry question Message-ID: <20000531220427.55551.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello,little ones... Since I have not seen many episodes of Ally McBeal I do not think I correctly point out the Stuart Murdoch character to Sister Disco.It's the one who's always hanging out with that nerdy looking guy in the singing bar. I'm not even a teenybopper and I do squeeeal about Stuart on covers but I think that's because I'm a bit abnormal when it comes to my adoration of Stuart,but oh well,you know,we all show our love in different ways.But I'm never wrong about him...oh ages ages ages ago..I had visions of him with leopard-print y-fronts, (psychic visions,yes) and now theres all this talk of mysterious photos of leopard print bikinis.I dont think he looks 'cute' on the cover,its more the look of rounded cherubian face with secret dirty thought. I didn't read the words cos it looked pretty long & boring,but I gazed at the pretty pictures.I wanted to buy it,for the cherub's sweet face..but 6 dollars..woah..sorry Struanna,my love is cheap. I have a poetry question,and seeing as we're getting back into the poetry spirit..what is 'troaich triameter'?it would be much appreciated.I can't find anything on it,but maybe I am spelling wrong. See,I get bonus marks if I write a poem in that style,but my english teacher wouldn't define it for me,he merely smiled and shook his head mysteriously...ohh! I had not a B&S dream but a Listee(s) dream last night..haven't had that for a while,guess I'll have to start stalking more of you.Anyways,that Christopher Leonard guy phoned me and talked to me for hours about how he was a Lesbian and then we went to a party at Honey's house,where it had been transformed to The Pink House (that was the name & all the walls and floor were pink) and it was a healing place to go if you were sad,or stressed out,and there was no furniture in The Pink House,just lots and lots of pillows and people playing on sitars,mmmm. kisses, genevieve ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From machiavellian_llama at xxx.com Thu May 25 22:16:22 2000 From: machiavellian_llama at xxx.com (Joe Vester) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:16:22 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Could I write a post for you when you're dead? Message-ID: arrrggghhhhhhhhh......(long drawn out scream which slowly gets quieter and quieter until it dissappears completely and there is a muffled thump despite the suppossition that your screaming is louder than the sound of you hitting the bottom of ravine/chasm or in my case a huge inbox, 97 unread messages of which are sinister and only 4 of which are from other people and one of which is from jeepster). How do people find the time to read all their sinister mail? How do people then find the time to write anything? And go out? And do the shopping? And eat? And... Envy emanates from this post towards all the people who know someone who likes belle and sebastian. I only know one who is prepared to listen to them but frankly, he prefers deftones who do have a very good name but are not my cup of tea. He kind of wanted to go to the london gig but he can't because it's friday and he's jewish so it looks like i'm going on my own. Damn! i hate going to gigs on my own, it's somewhat similar to riding on city buses for a hobby. On a totally different point which is complete list abuse (I think) but needs saying, I saw a kid today on the southbank. She was about 6 and had been given rollerskates for her birthday or something and was testing them out for the first time with her Mum and Dad. Every time she fell over, she just got up again and laughed. At first her parents were a bit worried but when she just kept getting up and laughing, they started laughing too. Soon, all three were in hysterics and it had started getting very windy so this kid kept on getting blown along by the wind. She just stood there and started moving until a gust came along and she would fall over. It just cheered me up so much and I hoped the mental image might do the same for you. But it probably won't and Honey will mail me to say that I shouldn't abuse the list and so will everyone else it will generally be very upsetting. Think I had something else to say but have forgotten it so never mind, Joe +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+