From margarita at xxx.com  Thu Sep 21 15:09:03 2000
From: margarita at xxx.com (triumphant loser)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:09:03 -0500
Subject: Sinister: SmAsH-iNg TiMe!!
References: <20000423091545.8727.qmail@web3004.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c023d5$800b3c00$7c8ffacf@oemcomputer>

 I was just pondering the same Sunday question.....why must they suck so
badly?Not only are they a bore, they drag on forever.It must be the whole
prelude to a Monday thing that ruins the occasion.Ahhhhh yes thinking back
to school days......thinking about returning to a horrible Monday at about
10:00am on a Sunday ruined the whole day.

  *hide on the promanade, etch your postcard....how i dearly wish i was not
here*
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From: velocity farewell <velocity_girl_is at xxx.uk>
To: sinister list <sinister at missprint.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 4:15 AM
Subject: Sinister: SmAsH-iNg TiMe!!


> Hello beautiful ones...
> Well... it's Sunday... I remember my first post to the
> list under a different name... 'twas called:
>       EvErYdAy'S LiKe SuNdAy
> Why do I hate Sundays so much? I do hate them ever
> since I was a child...
> but that's not what I want to talk to you about...
> I had a terrible
>                         aCciDeNt
> last night... I fell with my scooter... 'twas
> horrible!
> See, I was out with the guys last night; first we went
> to this place where they serve this grate
>                 HoMe-mAde  WiNe
> and then we went to that place called CohiBa where our
> friend Nick was DJing...
> mmmmm... we were dancing and did all crazy stuff...
> Nick played a lot of lounge and easy listening and
> some bossa nova as well...
> there was that girl there with the most amazing hair
> ever... she looked like... mmm....
>                       Kim - bluddy - Karnes
> Eventually we left and I was riding my scooter alone
> in the streets of the city....
> I had my walkman on and was listening to one of the
> most lovely, desperate songs ever
>                             "HoMeBoY" by Adorable...
> suddenly I saw a cab in front of me... I pressed the
> breaks... back break doesn't work - I wanted to have
> it fixed for so long but it costs so much -
> I pushed the front break... and I started slipping...
> slipping.... and fell...
> my scooter crashed on the back side of the cab where
> as I was on the street... it was a grate fall mind
> you!
> very stylistic...
> not to mention that I was wearing my
>                        white fairy jacket...
> fortunately I had my helmet on, so no head injuries...
> I hurt my knee quite badly tho'... and now I have a
> swollen blueish knee to the size of a tennis ball...
> I hurt my hands as well...
> I stood up and saw in a blur the cabbie with his two
> passengers getting out of the cab... they lifted up my
> poor sputnik (my scooter) and tried to persuade me to
> go to the hospital, but I refused to go...
> I mean, I don't know, can't really tell, but it must
> have been quite a scary fall as these 3 people looked
> so pale and frightened...
> after I re-assured then I was fine and I was in a
> position to get back on my scooter and ride back home,
> they asked me where I was from and what I was doing
> here... so, I told them that I worked in the uni...
> the highlight of that amazing evening...
> the one of the guys in the cab made a pass on me...
> YeS! Now can you believe that? I was all shaken,
> trembling cause of the shock, my knee was killing me,
> and he was just standing there asking me if there was
> a caf� in the uni and if it was any good...
> I said "yeah, there's one and it's really good... for
> the students.." and left... bastard!
> I got back on my scooter, put my walkman on and
> started half-singing half-crying as I was riding back
> home... what?
> "LoVe is BettEr tHaN WaR" by
>                the TELeViSiOn PeRsOnALiTiEs
> As soon as I got back home I put on the CD by FeLt
> "poem of the river"+"forever breathes the lonely word"
> that Richard made for me...
> I guess he justifies his role as the
>                           SiNiStEr SanTa ClAuSs
> so well....
> BeLLe & SeBaStiAn contexxxxxxx
> well, Mike and StuartM. were in jeepster chat last
> night... yes!!
> I got there late myself, so I didn't get to hear
> anything interesting...
> except from the fact that Stuart was watching Telly at
> the moment...
> that's it...
> the weather's great here but I wish it was raining...
> oh, that was so boring...
> sorry about that..
> I have to go now and watch "Dawson's Creek"...
> somethings are so dumb they're charming...
> Spooka-Dee-Loops my dog gave me a lick on my hip bone
> last night when I came back after the accident as I
> was putting my jeans down to check the bruises...
> that was quite comforting...
>
> Oh!!! another thing... Lovely Hannah, not our own
> Hannahdoll, has started a Baxendale list... mmm, I
> don't know about the rest of you but I do love
> Baxendale... the addy for those who wanna join is:
> http://www.onelist.com/community/superpopelectronix
> Yeah!
> bye bye sweat peas
> take care
> love that flies over the oceans
> +easterchocobunnies+melodyPoPs!
> Vel
> xxooxx
>
>
>
>
>
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From peter at xxx.au  Fri Sep  1 02:06:19 2000
From: peter at xxx.au (Peter Brown)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:06:19 +1000
Subject: Sinister: Go Betweens
Message-ID: <005e01c013b0$db636530$850ca8c0@outputdsj.com.au>

You may be interested to know that 2JJJ here in Sydney had a J-File on the
Go Betweens tonight.  For the uninitiated a J-File is a 3 hour dedication to
a single band held every Thursday, hosted by the redoubtable Richard
Kingsmill.

Anyhow for someone who is old enough to have seen them way back in the 80s
as a pallid underaged teenage it was great.  Reminded me of the night when
Robert wore a dress, very fetching he looked too.  Will be looking forward
to seeing them again and hearing them albeit without Lindy and Amanda.

Ahhh blooody wunnerful.

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From burgr at xxx.com  Fri Sep  1 04:38:41 2000
From: burgr at xxx.com (Ben Chess)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:38:41 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Murmurings from the black lagoon
Message-ID: <B5D49D01.3047%burgr@shockresistant.com>

Hi Sinister!  I feel embarassed when I read all the
"coming-out-of-the-nursery" emails.  I was released from the nursery well
over a year ago, and like the silly lambs that don't escape when released I
remained a lurker.  Bah!

All these disgruntlings about Isobel has got me in a tizzy.  She *was* the
one who sang that french song in the live recording in Paris bootleg that
everyone and their grandmother has, right?  Did you hear her little apology
for her bad french at the end?  That accent has this american boy swooned.
:)

well I just moved into my dorm room for the first time this week. University
of Michigan.  I love Ann Arbor, but this is the worst part, when you're new
and don't know anyone yet and end up spending the night on the computer
writing emails.  I still love you guys tho.  I went dancing tonight and a
few girls eyed me, but my self-esteem thinks its because I could, as a
"white guy", dance silly.  But Stuart tells me its okay to "dance all night
like I'm a soul boy" and "cause offence just by the way I look"  and that i
did.  anyone have any suggestions for a shy lonely boy?

the list lurk,
ben

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From llu at xxx.edu  Fri Sep  1 05:35:58 2000
From: llu at xxx.edu (Liqin Lu)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:35:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: arrhhhggg...computers
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009010006080.31699-100000@cougar.middlebury.edu>

hi sinister, hope u r all well and having a good relationship with, er, ur
computers. i'm suffering from a sub7 virus...yes my computer is
hacked! for a quite a while actually, but i just found that out
yesterday. so for a long time someone has been (or at least been able
to) controling my computer while i thought i was its only
master...sigh...now i feel strange, not just angry. i spend at least 10
hrs everyday with my computer, i stored all the things i like (internet
files) on it, its mine. now u tell me someone else has more control of my
computer than i do and he can do anything to those files without me
knowing. i feel intruded (of course! thats the idea) and deceived. before
this happened, i didn't give a damn about hackers. but now i want to ask
them: do u have any respect for other ppl? i hope he/she sees this email
i'm typing (he/she can if he/she wants). 

ok thats the end of my little story. i feel much better now =)

liqin  

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From Bipedalboy at xxx.com  Fri Sep  1 12:34:15 2000
From: Bipedalboy at xxx.com (Bipedalboy at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 07:34:15 EDT
Subject: Sinister: aint life grand....
Message-ID: <7f.92370ef.26e0ee37@aol.com>

hello sinister folk, im kind of new here and would like to start by stating 
that im enchanted by this list. everyone's post seem like an unexpected treat 
to eat up. well, i suppose i should tell you all a little about myself. im a 
sicilian-american boy studying toy design in nyc. i am currently enjoying the 
works of moriko mori and adlof wolfi. anyone who revels in the arts should 
check them out. also, i sometime have this strange craving for sushi and 
semisweet chocolate while playing boggle with my friend pythia. life overall 
is quite delicious and im taking a big bite and savoring its splendor. 

                          enjoy your days ahead-luis "monkeyboysidhe"
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From sgazzetti at xxx.com  Fri Sep  1 12:49:30 2000
From: sgazzetti at xxx.com (sgazzetti at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:49:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Yahoo! Auto Response
Message-ID: <20000901114930.29084.qmail@mta117.mail.yahoo.com>

I am away for the first several days of September. Messages will receive a prompt reply on my return mid-month.

Sono fuori di se dalla vacanza ma a te questa non ne frega niente. Messagi sarano ben ignorati, dopo torno mezza Settiembre.

Ana uhtajowl bidoon milabis, safun wa shitaun, maa al-shabab al-Kuwaiti, wa hassatan fil sahrah.

Nihongo de hanashimasen. Totemo muzukashi desu, zenzen benkyoshimasendeshita. Onegaishimasu.

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From paulinel_s at xxx.com  Fri Sep  1 15:01:44 2000
From: paulinel_s at xxx.com (Pauline L. Shivers)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 07:01:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Do Nothin' Till You Hear From Me
Message-ID: <20000901140144.4374.qmail@web6104.mail.yahoo.com>

Oh dear!
Hello sinister! Isn't it a relief that I have an
audience of how many? 1300 people I think, to listen
to my problems? am I egocentrical? Yes, absolutely!
Lots of things happened since I last talked with you.
Theodor got a job for Arthur in his club and aunt
Myrtles visited her friend Patricia Hendel in Paris to
talk about the wedding between Theodor and Patricia's
daughter, Miss Constance Hendel. Poor aunt turtle. If
only she knew!
As you all know, we got rid of the macaroni dandy,
signor Giovanni Gregorio di Cornutto! That was the
last good thing that happened in my boring little
life!
So, Arthur got this job in Theodor's club. Theodor was
so happy about it as he could see him everyday in the
club and share his bed every night! The thing is that
we didn't give Arthur the credit he deserved. What
does that mean? Bear with me and I shall explain...
I had this long conversation with Theodor the day
after the "big events" occured in the cottage.
Remember that godforsaken weekend! He admitted his
homosexuality to me, I assured him that he was still
my favourite cousin and that I'd stand by his side and
help him with his affair with Arthur.
And you can imagine with big aunt Myrtles away in
Paris for a week, Theodor's affair with Arthur was
blooming! Since that week though the affair took a bad
turn. Theodor rent that little flat in a quiet part of
the city, a quite poor one admittedly, for obvious
reasons where he could give a home to his "unorthodox
affair". It seems that Arthur took some polaroids of
Theodor and himself in various... erm.. poses!
And just one day before auntie's return he started
threatening Theodor that he'd expose him starting with
aunt Myrtles' unless he was willing to pay for him to
conceal the whole thing and burn the photos.
Theodor is such a nice person but quite a wuss, if you
know what I mean. He freaked out completely and he
came running to me with tears in his eyes in panic!
I don't know what hurt him the most: Arthur's betrayal
or the fact that his good reputation was in danger.
He had this huge fight with Arthur; Arthur said he
never loved him, and that he was actually no
homosexual but he knew he could gain something from
this whole story; He also said that he had the hots
for me and that he would be willing to ask for half
the money if I'd go to bed with him! In your dreams,
Arthur!! I mean stay with your hovel boy! I always
said that I had this thing for commoners but I'd never
give in in any silly blackmail!
Theodor didn't know what to do. He hasn't got this
amount of money in the bank so we had two options:
either he'd borrowed the money or we'd let aunt know
about the whole story. I thought we should tell aunt
Myrtles cause maybe then Theodor could skip marrying
that horsefaced french floosy! And, yes, we told aunt
Myrtles! We let Arthur come along with the photos and
showed them to her! Oh dear! You should have seen her!
Her neck stretched again but this time in giraffe
proportions! She turned all red and her eyes popped
out. I was really scared that she'd have a stroke or
something! I wouldn't be that devastated, believe me!
She's a tyrant! We'd all be much better without her.
Then she raised her eyes to poor Arthur and nailed him
with such a look! I felt glad I wasn't in his shoes!
And she said: "And what exactly can I do for you now
young man?". Arthur said he wanted half million pounds
to destroy the photos and keep his silence! Aunt
Myrtles said nothing for a while. Silence was heavy
and the atmosphere in great grandfather's library so
intense that you could feel it crawling across your
skin. Then she stood up from the ludovician chair
after she took a sip of her tea and said that since
there was nothing she could do she'd give him half the
money now and he should burn all the photos in front
of her, and the other half on Theodor's wedding day!
And if Arthur even thought about cheating in any way,
he'd find himself in a really unpleasant place and in
a really unpleasant position. Of course Arthur agreed!
He had no choice really.
Poor Theodor! I wonder what he's going to do now.He
has to marry this french floosy obviously! I saw him
hiding his face in his hands in pure despair. But what
can anyone say? Love Hurts! And eventually kills!
As for me... I met someone I really liked; he's not a
member of the aristocracy, he's just a musician; but
he has a great mind and an even greater body! I met
him on the picnic day, that was on Sunday! Me and
Althea thought that we could have a little picnic on
our own in the Prague botanical gardens, so we asked
aunt's chef to prepare a basket with salmon and cute
little cucumber sandwiches and of course Althea stole
a bottle of dom perignon from her father's cellar!
That's where I met him. His name is Anton. I think it
was my red knickers and the way I flashed them that
made him come over and ask for a light! what a lame
excuse really! But he wasn't lame in any other way,
mind you.
But I'll tell you all about me and Anton in my next
post as this one's too long already and I need to go
for afternoon tea. You know how aunt Myrtles gets!

                 Pauline L. Shivers

that makes sinister all quivers
she's that aristocratic slag
who lives and reigns in Prague


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From CaMo81 at xxx.com  Fri Sep  1 15:56:46 2000
From: CaMo81 at xxx.com (CaMo81 at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:56:46 EDT
Subject: Sinister: What the hell is the primrose mafia?
Message-ID: <32.9960be1.26e11dae@aol.com>

Hmmm. I dont have alot of time to write but its come up on several occasions 
and i need to know. What the hell is the Primrose Mafia?


                                                        Derek
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From jan_imgrund at xxx.com  Fri Sep  1 18:57:26 2000
From: jan_imgrund at xxx.com (Jan Imgrund)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:57:26 CEST
Subject: Sinister: I know where the literary list has gone
Message-ID: <F1063Tlm70rM3TbhyF20000046f@hotmail.com>

... and I'm even going to tell you. See what a nice guy I am :)

It's moved to

http://iodin.tripod.com/litlist.htm

I hope not too many of you wanted to consult it last week, only to find a 
404 error. Really, I'm sorry. Laura Llew, don't slap me even though i've 
been evil. I'll write a poem for you (yet another one??) to appease your 
wrath.

And someday i might even really post something again..

Jan


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From pinefox at xxx.com  Fri Sep  1 18:13:12 2000
From: pinefox at xxx.com (P F)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:13:12 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Autumn I (one)
Message-ID: <LAW-F17435sQtgTIFpr0000019c@hotmail.com>


"
All the colours change
You will see
Autumn's almost here
Regret will bring him back to me
"

That's what a pop group said in the 1990s. And look, they were right! Autumn 
*is* here! Specifically September, which means it's time to crack open 
'isn't anything' again. I did, and it - is... everything. Isn't it?


To mourn the beginning of autumn, I decided to look at what had been posted 
to sinister on this date in the past. 1st September 1997, and a fellow 
called (obviously a pseudonym) "Ara Hacopian" said:

>>>
B&S Studio Recording at West 54th

Could someone post the info on when/where this recording is? I think I'm on 
the guest list, but I have no idea where it is being recorded.

thanks
- Ara Hacopian
>>>

I don't know what that was all about. I hope he didn't mean 'Studio 54', or 
the bouncers wouldn't have let him in. And I hope he didn't mean 'on 
September 54th', for there is no such date.

September 1st 1998, and some other charlatan said:

>>>
*---* HAPPY BIRTHDAY SINISTER BABIES *---*

A rather nice review in today's Select magazine, which thanks to the
miracle of OCR I can reproduce for you below. There was also a chirpy
little interview with Stevie, but I couldnt scan it cos it was in a funny 
colour. I haven't bothered to proof it because a) it's more fun that way and 
b) that's all I've been doing since 7am this bastard morning.

Love
Trousie
xxxx
>>>

I wonder what those symbols at the top meant? But it's interesting to see 
that people were interested in this 'birthday' stuff in those days, too. 
It's typical of the boy, though, to have been using fancy words that no-one 
else could understand. No, not 'bastard': 'OCR'.

By the way, it may just be a perceptual error, but there seem to have been 
an awful *lot* of mails to this list back then. Perhaps it was the 3rd LP 
that did it.

Finally, on September 1st 1999, we find a character called 'Mark Casarotto' 
bleating, I mean, bleeping:

>>>
Pop news: I'm having a bit of a crisis of faith....pop faith. I've had
enough, it's all rubbish. I want sounds to soothe my soul without
resorting to tweeness or whining.
>>>

Cor. I wonder if he ever solved his crisis. Or if anyone tried to help him. 
Or if he is still alive. Perhaps the crisis finished him off. There is 
simply no way of knowing.


To conclude:

"
September again
You come so quick
",

sang Deacon Blue's Ricky Ross in 1993, on a track called 'Bethlehem's Gate'. 
And on this, at least, he was right: for it did, didn't it?


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From Gromit324 at xxx.com  Fri Sep  1 18:28:54 2000
From: Gromit324 at xxx.com (Gromit324 at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:28:54 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Weezer show
Message-ID: <ad.f93da.26e14156@aol.com>

In a message dated 8/31/00 10:38:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
melvisco at francemail.com writes:

<< I am going to go see Weezer tomorrow.  I had no clue that I would be this 
excited.  You see, I do not claim to be the biggest Weeeeezer fan.  I enjoy 
them. Yes, that's true.  But the prospect of seeing them live has made me as 
giddy as a 12 year old girl waving her training bra about it in the air.  And 
I may just end up doing that...
  >>

I don't think I have enough fingers and toes to count the number of times I 
have seen Weezer live.  I saw them in the early-mid 90's.  They are a great 
live band.  I can't say they are in my top 5 of absolute favorite bands, but 
you will definately have a good time.  Have a couple drinks and get down!

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From jonnyfive at xxx.com  Fri Sep  1 19:13:31 2000
From: jonnyfive at xxx.com (jonnyfive)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:13:31 -0500
Subject: Sinister: 3... 6... 9... seconds of shite
Message-ID: <54362000951181331429@starmail.com>

dearest sini, 

phew, a-levels well and truly over. i went a bit mad on results night. i
had not one, not two, but three cups of tea in a row and watched
eastenders. so now i'm going to sheffield to "do" history. if any other
Sini people are in the same boat, please get in touch. my estimated number
of new friends made for the 1st year is 0 (zero); anything extra will be a
bonus. i'm finishing work at the library on sat. and had a card from the
staff. the lady i fought with (see past posts for whole boring story)
virtually spat "best wishes" on the page. hey, i'm leaving love, so you can
shove it, i said in my head.

i am going through an aimee mann period at the minute. she is never
mentioned here. are there any other fans? and for that matter, elliott
smith? i'm just a sucker for melodic, alt. pop. sad, really.

B&S: i'm currently re-assessing Beyond the Sunrise (i'm a bit slow, i
know). i heard it on the radio and it isn't so bad. i played it in the
shower this morning and it spooked my ass off, as Chuck D might say. 

oh, passport photos for uni. you spend hours in front of the mirror,
teasing your hair this way and that, looking mean, looking surly. you
re-take the photo 14 times, and still you come out with an face like a
smacked arse and a neck the size of the M1. with a spot on your bum chin.
right, finally, please can everyone read Francis Wheen's fab biog of K.
Marx. It's loveable. oh, and i mail-ordered some clothes which took a week
to arrive, and when they did, i found i had accidentally ordered them in
Pat Butcher/Roseanne Barr size. they still said Small on the jeffing
labels. Everyone boycott Hawkshead for being bourgeois and overly generous
in the sizing dept. 

thanks to eric and miles for their mail, and to Sini for being the best.
Happy birthday, everyone!

lots and lots of love
j.xxx

ps: sorry for this being so long. 
pps: where is honey?

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Fri Sep  1 20:33:21 2000
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:33:21 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Ricky Ross Versus The Smog Monster
Message-ID: <005b01c0144f$4fd67300$7297243e@itjfvkli>

Ricky Ross used to be a teacher in Maryhill. And somehow that really
impressed me. Lloyd Cole, on the other hand, has never done a day's work in
his life. And it shows. Ricky Ross, for all his gleaming production, was in
the business to ENTERTAIN. Lloyd Cole only seemed to want to show off. My
mate's brother threw a shoe at Lloyd Cole for "being boring" in concert. I
was dead keen on "The Rattlesnakes" for a while, but eventually I started to
find it embarrassing. It's just a tuneful reading list. I know who did the
strings, it was Anne Dudley of The Art of Noise. She would have been better
off slapping on huge swathes of their trademark "Hey! Hey! La la la!"s
instead. Ditto for her later soundtrack to chick with dick flick "The Crying
Game". I once saw Stephen Pastel in Maryhill, in a kind of shopping centre
for unemployed people. It was quite early in the morning. I think he was
drinking a can of lager, but that might be the effect of those "YA CUNT!"
stories that we used to enjoy so much back in the old days. They're never
coming back, are they? They changed the dole office in Maryhill from an old
pre-war one to a swanky new one. It was like the difference between the
Twisted Wheel and the Blackpool Mecca. I'm thinking of organising a Maryhill
Dole Office Reunion All-Nighter. I'm getting on quite well with my Northern
Soul book. It certainly takes me back. It's high time someone put together a
study of the eighties anorak scene. It was nice to see Lawrence from Go-Kart
Mozart speaking so highly of Mad Dog Murdoch. Fancy him noticing those Felt
lyrics! Stuart is a one, isn't he? Thanks for sending it in. Ronnie Lane is
the Poacher, isn't he? Why's that then? I believe Mojo has something to do
with voodoo, so a Mojo Pin would be a voodoo pin, ergo hypodermic needle.
There's some American gentleman who answers questions like this in magazines
and then collects them in books. Stephen Gould? There was a good one about
gay men stuffing gerbils up their arses, which I rather enjoyed. Deacon Blue
were really terrible. "I saved my money". Yet they were less offensive than
the Wets. I suppose Deacon Blue were more intellectual. Lloyd Cole had a
manager to get a band together for him, they weren't mates or anything. It's
time that manager told the whole story in a no-holds barred blockbuster
book, called "Cole Scuttle". Much as I love the B&S strings, I would have
preferred them to be more Bunnymenish than Lloydish, more magnificent. Lloyd
Cole was from both Derbyshire and Sheffield at the same time. We need a
Lloydography and The Pinefox is the man to provide it. Lloyd used to walk
around (on his motorbike) with about a hundred quid in his pocket at the
time of that solo album's release. I can't imagine Ricky Ross telling us how
much money he had in his pocket. "That's between me and the ballot box!" he
would say.

It's Friday night, time to get ready for the Cleethorpes all-nighter in my
head.

Peter

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From ac484 at xxx.edu  Fri Sep  1 21:14:53 2000
From: ac484 at xxx.edu (Adam Conover)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:14:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: re: oh, my sweeties!
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.1000901161246.44672A-100000@bard.edu>

hello sinister people... i've missed you so! i am ex-adam apparatus... i
would be still, but my college won't let me change it... so now i am Adam
Conover (capitalized and everything! sigh.) ... and my new e-mail is
ac484 at bard.edu . and to everyone who e-mailed me... Vicki Rider, this
means you! you must e-mail me again, because i can't even use my old
e-mail address anymore, though i can read things that were sent to it...

so this is an experiment. if i have enough time to keep up with sinister
-- for i love it so! -- i will. but sometimes i don't have the time... you
know how it works. thank you, sweeties!

- adam


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From knightowl at xxx.net  Fri Sep  1 21:20:08 2000
From: knightowl at xxx.net (Knightowl)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:20:08 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Lloyd Cole
References: <005b01c0144f$4fd67300$7297243e@itjfvkli>
Message-ID: <002c01c01452$8c700800$d81fd718@mountaincable.net>

> Lloyd Cole only seemed to want to show off. My
> mate's brother threw a shoe at Lloyd Cole for "being boring" in concert

I'd have to concur with this. While I never threw a shoe at him, I did find
him boring to talk to as well.

When he showcased Rattlesnakes for North America, he came out and played the
album verbatim from beginning to end. Nothing added, but nothing taken away
either I suppose. For an "encore" all they could manage was a repeat of the
lead off single which was "Perfect Skin" if memory serves. That certainly
didn't win them any votes of confidence and I was hardly surprised when his
follow ups to Rattlesnakes - which is a good album - were not very inspired
or interesting either.

I tend to lump Lloyd Cole in with people like Matthew Sweet. lots of hype,
lots of promise, and then they never quite delivered on any of it.

When I first heard of B&S I thought it sounded like too much hype too.
Fortunately, in their case, they lived up to the expectation - and then
some.

I am however, finding the new album wearing thin rather quickly. Its nice,
but just not quite up to the lofty standard they have perhaps set already.
Years from now, I doubt I'll play it much at all.
I think its probably best they are taking a break - if they are in fact
doing so as rumoured and reported.

Ed




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From jules at xxx.cx  Fri Sep  1 22:16:09 2000
From: jules at xxx.cx (Julie)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:16:09 -0400
Subject: Sinister: New York, put on your picnicking shoes. 
Message-ID: <200009012111.e81LBa001360@bean.epix.net>

Okay okay, I've been stuck at my parents' house in Pennsylvania and thought
that I couldn't get to this account from here, but I can, and I did, and I
had 200 Sinister messages.  But more importantly, I can SEND a sinister
message, because I have a PICNIC to make you all come to.  
The New York City Sinister Picnic 2000 will be held in Central Park,
Saturday, September 9th, from 2 pm until we get bored of each other.  The
picnic spot is pretty easy to get to.  Do you know how to get to the
Metropolitan Museum of Art?  If you don't and you can't figure it out,
email me.  From the Met, walk down one of the pathways into Central Park on
either side of the building.  You'll come to a silly archy thing.  Trot
through the archy thing.  On the right will be the Obelisk, which has
always served as a highly unnecessary phallic symbol in the park, if you
ask me.  Walk straight down the path and to the left will be a little
splotch of grass and trees where we will be picnicking.  This splotch is in
the southeast corner of the Great Lawn, above the turtle pond, in case
you're coming from another direction.  It should be pretty easy to find,
but if you need more directions, email me and I'll...draw you a picture or
something.  Please bring some food or something along that line so we can
have something to do besides sit and stare at each other.  I know of at
least 10 people who will be at the picnic already, most of whom I already
know and including everyone's favorite listee from Thailand, OON!  After
the picnic there will probably be some drunken revelry as it's my TWENTY
FIRST BIRTHDAY on September 10th, the day the government deems me mature
enough to purchase and imbibe alcohol, those silly bastards.  Feel free to
bring me presents or booze!  And email me if you have questions, I can give
you my phone number if you want.  Please come to the picnic it's going to
be fuuuuuuunnnnnnn.  
I have to give a shoutout to my favorite Spanish listee, now, Jordi.  He
can folla a mi mono tonto anytime!  HA HA HA!  I said "fuck my silly
monkey" in Spanish.  *giggle*
Love you all, come picnic with me!

xoxo
Julie
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From kpc98c at xxx.UK  Sat Sep  2 00:07:42 2000
From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu)
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 00:07:42 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The scars of scratch and peel
Message-ID: <200009012305.AAA18264@missprint.org>

Hello everybody,

Hmm.. I am feeling a bit sinister today, so naturally I should either 
see a minister, or write to sinister, and since the houses of parliament 
is quite far away I have no choice but to bother you.

I have no reason to feel bad, I have given a presentation yesterday which 
went really well, I had a part with free drinks yesterday, and it's weekend. 
But I have just been very tired and worn out.

Only one more week in lovely London and two more week in Minging MK and it's 
back to Notbad Nottingham for me.  I think I'm going to miss London a lot.

A big HUG and thanks to all of you who have been holding my hands and looking 
after me whilst I was getting lost, confused and corrupted in the city, yes 
you know who you are and you should all award yourself a can of Red Bull for 
being so absolutely lovely :-)

Is it selfish to post silly things on Sinister just to make yourself feel 
better for the night?  I think it is but sorry it's too late now.. :-) 
Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee (catches breath)

Soft Beds and Red Bulls
Ken
P.S.: I feel a dark cloud is looming.. yes, I think the dark side is about 
to take over the world.. A Milton Keynes meety-upty-picnicy-thingy is 
being organised for around the 16th September.. If you are around that 
area, you better get in touch, or you will be, er, dunno really. :) But 
you should... more details to follow :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) 
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Now I'm feeling flat you seem mile away 
I'm so tired that down on the pavement I'll lay 
Till the blossom on the tree comes falling on me.. Fall on me
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From Bipedalboy at xxx.com  Sat Sep  2 05:54:09 2000
From: Bipedalboy at xxx.com (Bipedalboy at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:54:09 EDT
Subject: Sinister: a week in the life of a toy design student....
Message-ID: <40.621ce6.26e1e1f1@aol.com>

ciao fellow sinisters, im sorry to intrude with such silly tales of my 
studies but i have to tell you all its quite a silly mission to do "research" 
at toy "r" us. the professors highly recommend for us to go to toy stores to 
look as well as play with the latest toys that are available for children to 
play with, sounds like a doleful event in my book, i think not. all in all i 
still cant believe i am studying to create playful things to stimulate and 
corrupt (hehehe) young minds....more tales to come.....luis

p.s. some musical content for everyone to enjoy, everyone should pick up a 
pizzicato five cd and dance like soulful simian, wash it down with a good art 
book of joseph cornell so your eyes can devour dreamlike landscapes of an 
innocent nature
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From elizabeth.daplyn at xxx.uk  Sat Sep  2 18:41:03 2000
From: elizabeth.daplyn at xxx.uk (Elizabeth Daplyn)
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 18:41:03 +0100
Subject: Sinister: a primrose-sniffing mafiosa
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From mikelsen at xxx.nz  Sat Sep  2 23:46:19 2000
From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:46:19 +1200
Subject: Sinister: fido, your leash is too long
Message-ID: <002201c0152f$b41cb3c0$2f6137d2@mikelsen>

Just aquickie today, rather than some massive missive about who-knows-what.

During the (extrememly protracted) recording of "Fold Your Hands Child ..."
I recall reading that the band had recorded *more* than 20 songs. Taking in
to account that there were 11 tracks on the album, and a further threee on
the "Legal Man" single (and I don't even thing "Winter Wooksie" was recorded
in those sessions), that leaves at least six, maybe more, currently
completed (or almost completed) but unreleased B&S tracks.

Is there anyone on this list who is intimate enough with the band to know
exactally what was left off the album? I note with hope and interest that
there was mention thatthe band were working on new material (in the press
release which came out about the tour next year). Wouldn't it be grand if
there was already half an album in the wings, and we got a new one early
next year to coincide with the tour? Or at least maybe some new EPs or
singles.

I can but live in hope.

Oh, bloody hell The Field Mice are good. Thanks to all the people who mailed
me and recommended I get the "Where'd you learn to kiss that way?" album.
It's grand, and quite different from what I was expecting. I'm in love
......

How come no one has mentioned how brilliant "Good Fruit" by Hefner is? Did
anyone tape their session last week? Anyone? anyone? I'd LOVE a copy, and
could *poissibly* repay you handsomely.

Right, I'm off ......

Lawrence Mikkelsen


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From eatoysters at xxx.com  Sun Sep  3 06:22:44 2000
From: eatoysters at xxx.com (Dandelion Is a Flower)
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 05:22:44 GMT
Subject: Sinister: backwards and forwards
Message-ID: <LAW2-F46BKQzVNGYyIC0000518e@hotmail.com>

Is there anyone out there from the Baltimore, Maryland or Washington DC 
area?  A great friend of mine and I seem to be the only ones into B&S whom 
we've encountered in TWO YEARS!

anyways, what else to say?  Just very very curious actually...
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From garymaher at xxx.com  Sun Sep  3 05:59:25 2000
From: garymaher at xxx.com (garymaher at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 00:59:25 -0400
Subject: Sinister: You said you'd be here at 8, now you're 17 days late
Message-ID: <20000903.010017.-347075.0.garymaher@juno.com>

My mind is wandering through the digest tonight --

On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:51:30 +0100 (GMT/BST)
owner-sinister-digest at missprint.org (sinister-digest) writes:
> I am away for the first several days of September. Messages will 
> receive a prompt reply on my return mid-month.

I wish I was away . . .
 
> Sono fuori di se dalla vacanza ma a te questa non ne frega niente. 
> Messagi sarano ben ignorati, dopo torno mezza Settiembre.

I wish I could speak Italian . . .
 
> Ana uhtajowl bidoon milabis, safun wa shitaun, maa al-shabab 
> al-Kuwaiti, wa hassatan fil sahrah.

Same to you, buddy!
 
> Nihongo de hanashimasen. Totemo muzukashi desu, zenzen 
> benkyoshimasendeshita. Onegaishimasu.

Now look -- you made me blush!

Moving on . . .

> September again
> You come so quick

Never was a truer word spoken.  I thought it was my calendar missing a
few days (weeks?).  I did not even manage to spend the summer wasting,
yet I find the summer is indeed wasted.  Work, work, work, such is the
life of a legal man.  Did manage to ease my feet in the sea, but if the
summer boils down to 5 days down the shore, wasted is the word for it. 
<sigh>  Bummer in the Summer.

> i am going through an aimee mann period at the minute. she is never
> mentioned here. are there any other fans?

Sure.  She's cool!  Anyone who starts off an album with the lyric "You
fucked it up" and then proceeds to nick the riff from "Up the Junction"
for the guitar solo in the same song (probably with Tifford and Dilbrook
watching in the studio) is tops in my book!  The new one is killer too. 
Just lovely . . .

> and for that matter, elliott smith?

I can't get enough of XO.  The same person who turned me on to B&S also
recommended Elliott Smith, and I bought XO and Sinister the same day.  I
can't remember the last time I so loved two records from the instant I
first heard them.

Someday I will tell the story of how I received promotional literature
about B&S in the mail many years ago (when Sinister originally came out)
and thought it would be something I liked.  Sadly, I didn't go looking
for it at the time.  So I didn't happen to hear them until my friend
David, who sings for a band in Los Angeles, suggested them.  (He
especially likes Fox in the Snow.)  I loved the record, and B&S played in
NYC about a month later, but both shows were sold out by the time I found
out about them.  And I almost went to Philadelphia to see them, but that
show was canceled anyway because someone (Sarah?) was sick.  So I'm still
waiting.  Anyway, someday I'll tell that story.

> i'm just a sucker for melodic, alt. pop. sad, really.
This is not sad!  It's happy!  This is where most of the good stuff is
coming out nowadays.  This is the genre for those who think all new music
sucks!  This is our hope for the future of music!  (Well, it's nice to
listen to, anyway.)

> There's some American gentleman who answers questions like this in
magazines
> and then collects them in books.

Try this:  www.straightdope.com

> I tend to lump Lloyd Cole in with people like Matthew Sweet. lots of
hype,
> lots of promise, and then they never quite delivered on any of it.

Oh, Girlfriend is a killer record!!!  But spotty since, eh?

> The New York City Sinister Picnic 2000 will be held in Central Park,
> Saturday, September 9th, from 2 pm until we get bored of each other.

Please watch out for bands of marauding ethnic molesters.  (Have to add
that one to the band names list -- The Ethnic Molesters).

> Is it selfish to post silly things on Sinister just to make yourself
feel 
> better for the night?  I think it is but sorry it's too late now.. 

I hope not!!  (See above summer discussion.)

I have gone on far too long!  Have a cheery weekend all!

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From gogron at xxx.uk  Sun Sep  3 14:56:27 2000
From: gogron at xxx.uk (gogron)
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 14:56:27 +0100
Subject: Sinister: completely off-message
Message-ID: <39B2588B.98CC8B85@netscapeonline.co.uk>

This has been a Belle & Sebastian free week, more-or-less.
I wrote the first few lines of a song but, as usual the first few lines
are as far as I get:
I'm getting better at getting better,
I'm getting faster at getting worse,
Perhaps it's not you I need;
Perhaps I just need a nurse.
If one day I get over myself,
And get some resolution,
Then the drinks can go down
Another drain,
And leave me a simple solution.
For the moment I'm not much willing;
Old ways are too convincing,
But these are temporary measures,
Before my next attempt at living.

I'd call it something pithy like 'they, themselves and this' but, the
hell, it's too selfish and maudlin a little dirge to deserve further
development. And I actually do have a life, but it's just a rather
boring one and, of course, boredom is much easier to sustain in
reasonable comfort than highs are. Mundanity isn't really so bad.
I loved the Robert graves poem posted by Elizabeth Daphyn today.

currently:
reading *The Sunday Telegraph* and *Dog Days in Soho*
watched *Accident* with Dirk Bogarde (highly recommended)
listening to modern American music like Adams, Bill Frisell and a really
good one called 'Charley's Prelude' by Louis C. Singer: it's got the
same tune as a Gainsbourg song

I saw a great two-screen video piece in Edinburgh yesterday, entitled
'Turbulent' by an Iranian woman (now living in America) called Shirin
Neshat. On the one screen, a man stands in front of a microphone facing
the camera. Behind him is an all-male audience, dressed in white shirts.
The man proceeds to sing a 13thC sufi love poem to a gorgeous
orchestrally backed melody. As this stops, one's attention is drawn to
the other screen by a rhythmic muttering, and we see the silhouette of a
chadored woman. The stuttering gets more intense and turns into a richly
musical wail, that becomes a melodic cry, and the lights rise just
enough for us to see the camera whirling a pan round the same
auditorium, but this time it is empty. Back on the other screen, the man
and his audience continue to stare, mutely. Electronic overdubs and
delays are gradually transforming the woman's wail from devastating
loneliness to a rich and beautiful battle cry, which is passionate,
intense and powerful in the empty room and somehow more aligned with the
cosmos than the world: her staccatto intonations sounding like galloping
horses, dying away, into silence.
In Iran it is currently forbidden for women to sing in public.

there seems to be an 'autumn thread' spinning. I hate the end of summer,
but I like the onset of winter: the season of wading through woodland
leaves; the ghost-story season; frost; open fires (for those still lucky
enough to have them) and cosy nights indoors... and mulled wine! So I
try to find an autumn poem, albeit a rather sombre one:
*The Golden Leaf* by Kathleen Raine:

The floating of a leaf that fell
A wounded star upon the tide
Out of the world, free in farewell,

I saw - not able to withhold
The vanishing moment with my sight
>From the lock of living heart,

And down the rapid nerves, the light
Plunged, where the thundering stream of blood
Engulphs each mote within the eye,

Upon the dark pool of my thought
Turned slowly, sinking into the past,
Then poised on a reflected sky.

P.S. I think (from evidence elsewhere) that the poetess was in love with
the idea of a man who lived by a waterfall next to the sea. This man
existed, but he was real and not quite her 'idea' of him and he did not
love her in return, for he was a manic depressive homosexual who cared
only for the company of nature for the larger part. Of course, my
interpretation stops short when I realise that she wrote the poem quite
some years before she'd ever met the man to whom I refer. Incarnations
of ideas are generally elusive

Not very 'on topic' this post

Gordon

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From jordiet at xxx.com  Sun Sep  3 15:08:43 2000
From: jordiet at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano)
Date: 3 Sep 2000 14:08:43 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Let´s make things clear......and let´s read what Grant McLennan
    has to say.....
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From leesa at xxx.com  Sun Sep  3 15:52:45 2000
From: leesa at xxx.com (Lisa & Lee)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:52:45 -0500
Subject: Sinister: I was Sir Prize, I was crappy in a play in 1975...
Message-ID: <001501c015b6$a0a56940$cd928cd8@Pleesa>

Greetings Sinister type folk!
In my groundbreaking (?) second ever post, I would like to return to my
theme of amazedness. All of you lovely people (ya know, *y'all*) have been
recommending or mentioning this band or that, and like a good little
girlscout I've been scribbling all of the names down in order to scurry off
to 33 degrees and check these folks out. I am overwhelmed with the plethora
of absolute wonderment that has been oh so lovingly assaulting my ears ever
since.
Of note:
Nick Drake: Can you believe I didn't know this man's musical gift?! I picked
up "Five Leaves Left" and am in Luuuuuuve.
Sodastream: veddy veddy nice! I,for one, like the classical shades and
whispers on this.
Looper: FUN music a go-go!  I like cleaning my house to this. It's get up n'
do something music!
Magnetic Fields: Bought "Get Lost" first and then "The Wayward Bus". I'm
still digesting the subtleties and sadness that IS the rawkin' 80s keyboard
sound (bit schizo, eh?) of Stephin Merritt.

Oh God, did you want to read all those mini reviews/reactions? Oh well,
other folks have written far more eloquently on the same, so that is some
comfort. No wait, it isn't. :-)

I have discovered indie pop and am found where I thought I would be forever
lost. Er, um, I mean I didn't know anyone still cared to make good music
anymore...and am glad to know they do!

Howdys to all the Texas sinister crew that emailed my after my first post;
we will both pic and nic rather soon, I should think! I am waiting for
better weather.

Speaking of weather, I am jealous of all you folks who actually get to have
autumn in September. It's still sad hot daze for us in Texas.

It's the personal narratives which mean the most to me on this list (Hi
there Ian N.!!), so keep 'em coming. Now if Sebastian and Belle the singer
would ever traverse to the wildes of Texas, I would be completely happy...

Yours in freeky geekdom (that's a good thing!!),
Love n' stuff,
Lisa xxxx p.s. I'm not blind, ya know. They overreacted to my glasses!

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From csomeone at xxx.com  Mon Sep  4 06:14:18 2000
From: csomeone at xxx.com (Cynthia Someone)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 05:14:18 GMT
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <F325ZB44vDSNpJZMAlQ00007488@hotmail.com>

Everyone's in an autumn mood. Its nothing like it here in california (don't 
make fun of me). It was winter-like, last thursday, and i drank genmaicha to 
retaliate. Poo on the cold! (no offense to the cold, really, i have the 
utmost respect for it). then it was pretty much beautiful again.

Lately, months into Fisheeclap, i've been skippin the first three tracks, 
listen to Miss Cracknell. I think it's the flutes (is it flute?) that make 
me do it. and the lalas do the same thing. it's like the flute but in the 
form of lalas. It makes my heart happy. I was slightly releived to hear that 
its sarah and not isobel. No offense to isobel, i think her voice lacks 
depth. I have decided that her voice lacks expression not because she lacks 
something to express, but she's too shy to express it...

the lovely thing that happened today is, I danced! before i realized i was 
dancing, i was dancing.

Cynthia
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From vrider at xxx.net  Mon Sep  4 07:03:45 2000
From: vrider at xxx.net (Vicki Rider)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:03:45 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Radiant Icons In A Godless Age
Message-ID: <008f01c01636$483d5d00$0100007f@compaq>

Hi!!

Just having one of those post-Sinister overload moments where I'm thinking,
"ahhh, I love the list, and each and every soul on it!".
Maybe it's just a reflection of the times---these past three weeks have been
very good to me since starting school. All my teachers are nice, people say
hi to me in the halls, I have a great haircut, there's two groups I can sit
with at lunch, and my editor's (hopefully) going to put my editorial on
"Suvivor" in the school newspaper (saying it's a crap show, basically). I
even saw "Breathless" and now I 'wanna get my hair cut short just like Jean
Seberg'.
But enough of that happy crap.........

We've finally opened the windows in the house because at 10:39, it's finally
cool out. Happy days! Except for a neighbor who's blasting that one song
"CEEEEEEEEEEELABRATE GOOD TIMES, C'MON!!!!!!!!!!" I didn't even know that
was a real song until now, having only heard it in commercials.

Has anyone seen the movie "Little Murders", with Elliot Gould? I just
watched it on cable the other night--completely insane and extremely great.
Highly reccomended to anyone that hasn't.

I love Peter & Gordon!! And not just because at my most
desperate-in-need-of-a-haircut moments my crop resembled Peter's. Isn't
McCartney the second voice on the chorus to "Woman"? I think it is but the
question has been bothering me for years.


Her Juiciness wrote
>Rachel W, who apparently shares email with Vicki Rider (either that or she
wants to >confuse the bejeesus out of us all).....
heehee! I'll just let everyone figure that one out. But my real name is
Rachel--hi!


A Funny Story Before I Go:
I'm at my Dad's house, and when I go to bed I notice a pile of albums on my
chair, stuff like John Denver, Seals & Croft, and the soundtrack to
"Godspell". I'm thinking EEEK! What's going on?? My dad, who buys Yo La
Tengo and Roxy Music normally, listening to this junk?? But anyway, I put it
out of my mind and go to bed.
The next morning I get up and the first thing dad says is "Rachel, give
those albums in your room back to your mom (they've been divorced longer
than I've been tying my shoes), for some reason I've ended up with them."
And now it all made sense, and I laughed and laughed.
**Sorry if no one found this funny and I've offended any John Denver fans.


Once again slinking off with no B+S content to be found...............

Cheers,
Rachel W. :-)

"I think I'm going out of style, and I've known it for awhile."-The Jesus &
Mary Chain

P.S. nifty subject, eh? It's what I've been calling all my tapes
lately--nabbed it from a book on Warhol.

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From andy_flynnie at xxx.com  Mon Sep  4 14:21:27 2000
From: andy_flynnie at xxx.com (Andy Flynn)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 14:21:27 BST
Subject: Sinister: Isobel and Sarah
Message-ID: <F95n6Qpixg3yF0ZnxV900003513@hotmail.com>

Sorry I haven't been at all voacl for a long time but I've been on Holiday 
in Turkey....And missed the London Picnic

So what was it like??  I was well hacked of that I missed it.  Will I ever 
be able to go on one.  But thats not why I'm writing.

I just want to know why a lot of people have got it in for Isobel?  Have I 
missed something?

Dougal said:-

>Secondly, I
>am glad, as I can go back to disliking Isobel Campbell intensely, safe in
>the knowledge that my disposition towards her is based on musical grounds 
>in
>the first instance. But I suppose cussing her is old hat.
>I made another mix-up regarding Isobel, which involved her lyrics. At first
>I thought she was singing 'I would rather be fat AND be confused' rather
>than 'I would rather be fat than be confused'.

Whats that all about Dougal??  Explain yersel'

Andy
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From lucyalder at xxx.com  Mon Sep  4 15:37:48 2000
From: lucyalder at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucy=20Alder?=)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 07:37:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister:  A grand day out
Message-ID: <20000904143748.22740.qmail@web1605.mail.yahoo.com>

Yesterday, Miss Lixi and I boarded the bus at ten past ten and headed for Oxford.  The sky was
blue and the clouds were rococo.  Before long I was drinking tea in a garden full of chickens. 
Stripe was big and fat and well-behaved and she cooed at me when I stroked her back.  Chanticleer
crowed to his heart's content, but rather upset the contentment of those of us who had to listen
to him.  Major Major kept running away.  But we couldn't spend the entire afternoon in their
company, for there was picnicking to be done.

Have you ever tried lardycake?  It's the bestest cake in the world.  To make it, you roll out your
dough, spread it with lard, sprinkle it with raisins and fold it in half.  Then, you roll out the
dough again, spread it with lard again, sprinkle it with raisins again and fold it in half again. 
You repeat this process a few dozen times until the whole thing is dripping with grease.  Then you
bake it.  I mean what I say- it's the bestest cake in the world, and a classic English delicacy. 
Unfortunately, Oxford's bakeries were all closed and Sainsbury's only had jam doughnuts, so they
had to do.  We shared them out under a willow tree on the banks of the Cherwell, whilst sipping
delicately from plastic cups.  Coots and moorhens swam past and we fed them Trolli Burgers.  A
brood of cygnets gave us the evils and we gave the evils to a silly arse who thought he'd impress
his ladyfriend by playing Bob Dylan songs to her on a punt.  Remember arse-dancing?  We saw
arse-punting.  You don't get that up Greenwich Hill.

We got the back seat of the London bus and drank gin like the rebels we'd like to be, before
falling asleep like the softies we really are.  I went home, snuggled up under my new duvet, which
is the colour of bluebells, and dreamed of dappled sunlight on rivers and the end of the summer. 
Yes indeed, autumn is on its way and fashion spreads will be full of redheads wearing shades of
moss, damson and amber for the next two months.  Myself, I'll be wearing black, with a smear of
red lipstick.

Juicy Lucy

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From strappingarab at xxx.com  Mon Sep  4 16:16:41 2000
From: strappingarab at xxx.com (robert smith)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 08:16:41 PDT
Subject: Sinister: career paths & erotic metaphors
Message-ID: <F323OgYDi4meHP0Y32s000027c5@hotmail.com>



hello all,


the tome has come that my bank balance has forced me to drop any sense of 
artistic integrity.

the plan i've always had for making a living in this life is to be a writer 
i may only be young but i've had plenty of encouragement from my tutors at 
uni. i was having a coffee and a menthol cigarette with my old first year 
tutor the other day and as usual she had to pay because i am living 
somewhere just below the bread line. so there we were joyfully partaking of 
some legal stimulants when she came up with a novel suggestion (like the 
pun?). she said i should write mills and boon books for a while to earn a 
bit of cash.

just in case any of you innocent people don't know what mills and boon are, 
let me just explain. they are basically porno novels. you see old ladies 
reading them on the train. and you have know idea the sort of smut they are 
reading. no wonder they always have their legs apart (sorry).

so i thought ok, why not? i'll have to use a pen name because i don't want 
to be tarnished for ever. but sod it! better this than always living off the 
generosity of my friends.

so if any of you have any interesting erotic metaphors you'd like to share, 
please feel free......

anyway, bye for now

robert smith

p.s. jules i will send you a letter soon, the delay has been because this 
week has been mental.


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From pinefox at xxx.com  Mon Sep  4 16:41:05 2000
From: pinefox at xxx.com (P F)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 15:41:05 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Not Right Here
Message-ID: <LAW-F1593impgeBybho00001f01@hotmail.com>


I know the boy Trouss� is long gone and all, but

how are you feeling in ancient September
I am feeling like a truck on a wet highway

.




Peter Miller went on and on about Lloyd Cole and Deacon Blue, among other 
things. He said some things that were hard to agree with, but in a hilarious 
manner. They may be worth coming back to.

But then Jordiet S posted this:


>>>
Well.....the spanish magazine Rockdelux features an interview with Grant 
McLennan, from the Go-Betweens....and he said:

"The Smiths are a good band for singles. I don�t think that they did a good 
complete album, but they convinced their fans that they were unforgettable. 
And they�re not better than the Go-Betweens or Belle and Sebastian".

Isn�t it cute ?????
>>>

No, it's bollox. The last sentence is an outrage. You can be the biggest 
Go-Betweens fan in the world - and I am, as you know - and still think it's 
the most flagrant, flatulently implausible bit of self-promotion you've seen 
since Worksop, pulling themselves up by their bootstraps, sneaked into 
Division 3 (South. Or North. One or the other).



Camera 2: Franny Jeffers

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From shewitt at xxx.uk  Mon Sep  4 16:45:49 2000
From: shewitt at xxx.uk (Stephen Hewitt)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 16:45:49 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Dreams and Spires
Message-ID: <39B3C3AD.6690D1E@ruskin.ac.uk>

back again

larry mickey said:

I recall reading that the band had
recorded *more* than 20 songs. Taking in
to account that there were 11 tracks on
the album, and a further three on
the "Legal Man" single

etc

and when i read it this morning it broke my dream i had, where i was in
some mystical record shop that had a bootleg version of fishyclap with
all 20 tracks on.  Unfortunately I can't remember what any of the
additional songs were...  there were lots of other grate records too in
this record store, and i was buying them !A!L!L!  I'm sure i had a dream
the other night about kalliope and one about dimensionflippy ian last
week.  You pesky sinisterines coming round and invading my head.

Someone else mentioned Francis Wheen's book on Karl Marx and i'd like to
agree with them, a fine book it is, full of lots of tales of Marx the
aspirant social climber and wannabe bourgeoisie.  The father of the
planned economy who never had two brass farthings to rub together.

The oxford picnic was, as has been previously mentioned by ms alder, a
grate success, small and perfectly formed.  The only disappointment was
not seeing any comedy punt (I said punt) moments, ie, pole/stick thing
gets stuck in river bed, bloke hangs on to it whilst punt drifts away or
small child tries to stand up in punt despite protestations of mother
and promptly falls in, but it didn't really mar the afternoon too much. 
There was a rival picnic just down the bank from us featuring
metaller/physicist/nerd types who were talking about mp3 players and
things, we just pointed and laughed and talked about big brother ;)

I notice on the auction list (apart from the fact that i'm top of the
list*) that Gruff from the Super Furry Animals is offering to make you a
loaf of bread.  Special "herbal" bread prolly, oh and Sarah Martin (not
Cracknell) will take your photo.  I do hope we're all going to join in. 
I want to know what stuart's offering.  It's not fair he hasn't said
yet.  Maybe we could just bid and then he can decide what he wants to
do.

*You, yes you, could have an evening to remember with ME.  First I will
cook you an exciting meal of your choosing from a wide ranging menu, and
then I'll take you out dancing, and show you how to strut your stuff the
CarsmileSteve way.  A once in a lifetime opportunity <cough>.  Surely
it's worth a tenner?  Go on then, a fiver... £2.50 minimum, you can't
say fairer than that.

xoxo

CarsmileSteve
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From speirs at xxx.edu  Mon Sep  4 17:34:10 2000
From: speirs at xxx.edu (Kendra M Speirs)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:34:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: into open spaces
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10009041145440.15501-100000@dolphin.upenn.edu>


hello all. i'm a new one to this sinister list .. and a bit shy knowing
that i know no one and yet am about to fling this little message into the
great circuits and satellite connections that form the internet and into
the inboxes of hundreds of computers all over the world. and you all,
poets and dreamers and students and buisness types, will see it there and
read it or glance at it or pass it over completely  ... and the only thing
i really know we have in common (as of yet) is a love for belle and
sebastian. 
but that says something, doesn't it? a love for belle and sebastian. 

i'm currently working in philadelphia, in a little laboratory, under the
gentle hums of exposed pipes and clicks and buzzes of great machines,
performing reactions for us like they were taught to do. i'm a scientist
here, trying desperately to get some sort of degree ... so i can
be unleashed and set free to do field research in Africa or South America.
collecting samples and fighting off snakes. bench work is not so much my
cup of tea ... but it's a means to an end 

... i say that like a mantra. 

and philadelphia is a secret ... a small city that only residents know is
wonderful. and that keeps it modest. and the rent low. so i love it here,
even when it's blazing outside and the mosquitoes are on a feeding frenzy.
i sit on the windowsill with a cheap gin and gaze out at fitler square,
attempting to read some unintelligeable nature article with a thousand
formidable words, then drop everything and go off dancing for a bit. or
off to a pub for a lager.

it's a good life, for now. but every now and then i have need-to-travel
seizures and an intense desire for adventure and change. youth is 
fleeting for all of us ..  a concept that frightens me into action.

all for now. i am looking forward to my next installment of the digest ...
knowing you better ... and maybe one day putting some faces to typescript
names.
kendra 

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From CaMo81 at xxx.com  Mon Sep  4 19:20:50 2000
From: CaMo81 at xxx.com (CaMo81 at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:20:50 EDT
Subject: Sinister: No one has told me, "Don't be stupid 'cause you're looking great."
Message-ID: <54.8ecbfd5.26e54202@aol.com>

    I haven't posted for quite a while (3 days) and I figured "no time like 
the present."
I returned from my short trip to Pennsylvania yesterday after catching 
copious amounts of fish and lounging about.  Last night I attempted to write 
a story about something, but everything I started came out like shite and I 
lost interest.  I said to a friend once that you should be emotionally 
involved with what you write and I certainly wasn't emotional about what I 
wrote last night, so I threw my notebook across the room, exclaimed "shite" 
pretty loud and then went to sleep.  I haven't written anything in a few 
months and I fear my creative well may be drying up.  Maybe it's because I've 
been living on salad and cottage cheese in an effort to lose a bit of weight. 
 Unfortunately, no one has told me "Don't be stupid 'cause you're looking 
great."  Anyway (does it seem like I say that too often?), I have to go 
finish reading "In Cold Blood" for school. It's ok so far but not one of my 
favorites.  I guess after you read "The World According to Garp" nothing 
lives up anymore.  Anyway (there I go again), I have 2 days till school 
starts and I still have to read 200 more pages!  
    While food shopping with my Mom yesterday, I said to her, "Even though I 
light scented candles in my room, like cute cars, dress twee and have never 
had a real girlfriend, I'm not gay. She laughed and said that she didn't 
think I was anyway. Not that there is anything wrong with being gay, I just 
wanted to make sure I never had the same type of talk that Kenneth P had with 
his dad, and then spend the rest of my life trying to prove that I wasn't 
gay. I mean, the real reason I'm not actively seeking a girlfriend is because 
in reality, High School relationships have to end. I don't even know where I 
am going to college.  I'm starting to ramble so I'd better go read now. Bye 
all.

                                                    Derek

    "My sister cried when I said she was haughty and condescending. I don't 
know why though. She's only 4 years old." --Me
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From elizabeth.daplyn at xxx.uk  Mon Sep  4 23:08:14 2000
From: elizabeth.daplyn at xxx.uk (Elizabeth Daplyn)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 23:08:14 +0100
Subject: Sinister: adieu, adieu, to you and you and you-hoo
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From lleweth at xxx.com  Tue Sep  5 03:23:45 2000
From: lleweth at xxx.com (Laura Llew)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:23:45 GMT
Subject: Sinister: You have reached the winter of my discontent
Message-ID: <LAW-F261I9dm5UxP9Fe000020f4@hotmail.com>

"It's Saturday night and I ain't got nobody. I got some money cuz I just got 
paid."

I believe that I spent the last half of my teen years trying to find the guy 
who sings this song.  Lots of money to burn and no one to spend it on. I AM 
the perfect girl for that guy! However, I've learned guys like that and 
those who say "don't be stupid, you're looking great" only exist in songs. 
Oh well. It's a Monday night anyway. Today was Labor Day and so to make 
absolutely no sense at all - it was a federal holiday which means no school 
or work. Of course, some of us celebrated Labor Day in the proper way and 
actually labored. Now, I'm all partied out.

Actually, I'm home all alone and bored. I grew up on sitcoms so I know 
better than to tell 1300 people that. I remember an episode of Webster when 
he was going to be home by himself that night so he bragged about it at 
school. Only to have some hard kids that night come and try to break in to 
scare him. The poor little midgi-man had to hide in the clock just to stay 
safe!  I also learned from Punky Brewster never to climb into a fridgerator 
even if it's not plugged in.  That show confused me after it went to a 
cartoon. I never did figure out the purpose of the furry creature. And 
exactly what was I giving to get more for my punky?

Other points to ponder in life is how can Uncut have a cd featuring the 
newest coolest music and have Nick Drake on it?  I mean he's great - but 
he's definitely not going to be producing anything that's defined as "the 
newest". While musing over this point, I realized that there in the same 
issue there was an article about John Cusack. Even though I haven't seen the 
Dick Flick that is "High Fidelity", I'm still a big Cusack fan (Rather* a 
big Better Off Dead fan but close enough). The article pretty much sucks, as 
it is poorly written. However, dead in the middle of it is this:

"Even the most sceptical** Hornby devotees can rest assured that 'High 
Fidelity' is as Anglophile and musically anal as its source novel. Just five 
minutes in, a Belle & Sebastian record is smashed because it "sucks ass". 
Stereolab, The Clash, Massive Attack, The UK Subs and many more unlikely 
exports figure in the action. As indeed do lo-fi luminaries The Beta Band, 
who Cusack originally invited to score the film.
'We tried to but we couldn't seem to get it done," he shrugs. 'We never got 
around to recording anything.'
Does Cusack really think that Belle & Sebastian sucks ass?
'Well, it all depends on your state of mind. I don't know enough Belle & 
Sebastian. But that scene after the break-up in the store, we wanted 
something kind of wimpy and soft and melancholy. I think it's really funny.'
Sitting on the fence here, aren't you John?
'Totally sitting on the fence!" he grins. 'Ha, ha!"

I had to laugh at myself at this article because one of the paragraphs 
starts out with "Like Tim Robbins, Cusack is often highly vocal about 
politics." I was wondering why in the world they would just pop Tim Robbins 
name out of no where. I mean, hello, there are a lot of people that are 
vocal about politics. I mean if it was another actor that they were talking 
about then fine (still a stretch tho) but just to say an author's name.. 
Then, I realized they were talking about another actor. A little bit daft I 
am and I'm even a big 'Huddsucker Proxy' fan.

In Hendersonville, NC there is a sign by the side of the road on Tracy Grove 
Rd that says "Honey for sell." Is there something the list mummy would like 
to tell us?

*raises an eyebrow*

Laura
"meeting all of your Laura Llew needs since 1977"

* I'm more like Magda Boom already!
** they're spelling choice - not mine.
*** Spell check wanted to change Hornby to Horny and Magda to Magma. Maybe 
it knows more than I give it credit for.

PS- I keep wandering into #sinister in hopes of seeing Ree, Will P., Noah, 
or Honey but never to any avail. Are y'all still alive?
Hello... hello... is this thing on?
PPS- a big shout out to Sinister's darling, my personal muse, and the 
co-leader of the wearing rubberbands around your wrist is trendy trend, 
Miss. Scarlett. She was the first person to respond to my first ever 
sinister post. It was over a year ago and  about "Pretty In Pink" trivia. 
I've been having a bad case of the Molly Ringwalds lately. Heaven help me 
before I start trying to make a dress.
PPPS- Happy Happy Birthday to Jimmy G. who isn't on Sinister anymore but 
deserves birthday shoutz out anyway because he's da man.
PPPPS- Props out to Mr. Random who makes super cool packages & great 
tinderstick mixes. You so made my day. For you, "Happier days are definitely 
ahead for you, struggle has ended." lucky numbers -16, 17, 20, 23, 26, 38
PPPPPS- Many thanks to Jan Imgrund who is a lovely website hostess as always 
for the literary page. Doesn't he look darling in that lil' outfit?

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From jordiet at xxx.com  Tue Sep  5 12:59:33 2000
From: jordiet at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano)
Date: 5 Sep 2000 11:59:33 +0000
Subject: Sinister: B&S list.....in spanish.....
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From: jordiet at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano)
Date: 5 Sep 2000 12:04:05 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Mensaje en castellano - lista B&S (spanish and latin listees only)
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From Lorraine.Hosie at xxx.uk  Tue Sep  5 13:16:40 2000
From: Lorraine.Hosie at xxx.uk (Lorraine Hosie)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:16:40 +0100 
Subject: Sinister: Gonnae no dae that!
Message-ID: <F0EC21C5F871D41187B900805FCC276642E73D@EXCHANGE-SERVER>

Fit like?

Sinse a'body else hiz goan an' stairtet thur ain list, am gonnae stairt a
Scoatish ain soze that we can hae wee chats withoot folk kennin' fit wir oan
aboot.

Ah think if fowk wur tae lerin how tae speek Scoatish they wid ken fit Belle
& S'bastyin wiz a' aboot in'aw.

Fit aboot it?

p.s. Am gonnae ourder fower hunnart boattles o' Bru fur the next Pucnuc, but
yeez hae te' brung yer ain Deep Fraed Mairs Bairs.

Cheeray!
Hosie
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From dougalshaw at xxx.com  Tue Sep  5 15:04:45 2000
From: dougalshaw at xxx.com (dougal shaw)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 15:04:45 BST
Subject: Sinister: bed and sebastepol
Message-ID: <LAW2-F298EGHpQEEpTl00002939@hotmail.com>

I'm afraid this is quite a flimsy message, but in its defence, it is high in 
content.

I adore those moments in B an S songs when the vocals leave the melody and 
the Scottish accent is exposed. I am thinking of two moments in particular. 
My favourite example is in 'We Rule the School' and the line 'why did she do 
it, was she scared, was she *bored*?' There are also parts like this in 
Waiting for the Moon to Rise, such as the line 'and I'm trying *hard* to 
find...'. There are other bits like this but I can't quite remember where 
they are. (mental note: research posts better). Although I'm from Edinburgh, 
I have to admit that in the hands (or mouths I suppose) of B and S at least, 
the west coast accent is extremely beautiful.

In Reply to Andy Flynn: I'm not sure if anyone really hates Isobel Campbell 
that much. In some ways I think she became a sort of bogey woman because 
every scene needs its Nasty Nick figure (a la Big Brother). Having said 
that, there is a sober school of thought that says her musical contributions 
to B and S are 'intrusions' and spoil the organic wholeness of the (earlier) 
albums: i.e she should stick to her other little projects. (I agree with 
this, though I think when she contributes to a duet she is absolutely 
excellent and integral to the B and S sound: but I also think she looks a 
bit 'fishy' in photographs and is possibly quite a manipulative person, 
whereas Stuart looks like a good, honest, wholesome gentleman who should not 
be mixing with that sort! - let alone recording songs with them...)

Dougal
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From andy_flynnie at xxx.com  Tue Sep  5 17:28:41 2000
From: andy_flynnie at xxx.com (Andy Flynn)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:28:41 BST
Subject: Sinister: bed and sebastepol
Message-ID: <F42zUIDk4JdxVHYEuZF00000e4a@hotmail.com>

>Having said
>that, there is a sober school of thought that says her musical 
>contributions
>to B and S are 'intrusions' and spoil the organic wholeness of the 
>(earlier)
>albums: i.e she should stick to her other little projects. (I agree with
>this, though I think when she contributes to a duet she is absolutely
>excellent and integral to the B and S sound: but I also think she looks a
>bit 'fishy' in photographs and is possibly quite a manipulative person,
>whereas Stuart looks like a good, honest, wholesome gentleman who should 
>not
>be mixing with that sort! - let alone recording songs with them...)

What are you on?  She looks a bit fishy and manipulative? Her musical 
intrusions spoil the sound of B&S?  How can you possibly know?  She is 
integral to the sound of B&S she is very much a contributer to the sound 
that you like.  If anything her voice can be a bit weak.  But musically she 
is there, an active partipant in creating the overall sound. Its like saying 
ringo spoiled the beatles.

Organic wholeness......My arse!
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From CaMo81 at xxx.com  Tue Sep  5 23:22:41 2000
From: CaMo81 at xxx.com (CaMo81 at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:22:41 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Waiting for the digest to rise.
Message-ID: <c4.8c52ef7.26e6cc31@aol.com>

Hmmm. Is the digest backed up? its been nearly 2 days since I have received 
one. It's interrupting my flow. Usually it goes; read digest, post, read 
digest, post. Now it's going; read digest, post, wait for digest (but it 
doesn't come), post, you get the idea.
    Apparently, my friend has recruited me to go see Modest Mouse on the 
23rd.  The tickets are only $14 so I will go, but thing is, I've never heard 
of modest mouse.  I have napster cranking out MM mp3's now, I hope I like 
them, it would make the show that much better ;)
    Bought "Legal Man" today, it's pretty great to hear the recorded version 
of "Wooskie" as I only have the live one on Mp3.  What's up with the whole 
Isobel thing? It's known that her mincyness is an integral part of the band's 
sound.  Stu M. probably has to let the other members of the band reach out 
and do some of their own stuff.  If he doesn't they might get mad at him and 
split like Stu D! (Even though Stu D. wasn't mad at Struan, you get the 
point.)  It already seems like the rest of the band doesn't get enough credit 
for their work.
    School starts tomorrow. I'm a bit restless, not that I want to go, but 
It's going to be strange. I hate school. Actually, that's not true. I don't 
hate school just 98% of the people in it.  
    As for the picnic this Saturday, I'm afraid my twee self shant be in 
attendance.  It's just a tad inconvenient with school and everything, and my 
friend I was going to bring isn't all that into it.  My mum also said she 
wasn't that comfortable about it and would have to think it over, which 
basically means no.  Oh well, things might be easier next year.  I think that 
I would probably not know anyone and being 16 I would feel a bit alienated.  
I'm sensitive like that.  Bye for now.

                                                Derek


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From idleberry at xxx.com  Tue Sep  5 23:45:57 2000
From: idleberry at xxx.com (idle berry)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:45:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: as summer holidays come to a close....
Message-ID: <20000905224557.10656.qmail@web617.mail.yahoo.com>

.. and I am faced with a few realities drawing closer
and closer.

I have an essay to write. I chose to write it, a
story, a creative writing piece. I began last night,
and it is a total shambles, with grammar looking awful
and I don't have a full range of vocabulary that I
require. The story is written in Norwegian for my
final year of my degree.

Are there any other students out there about to enter
their final year?
How do you feel about the prospect that in a years
time, you'll have it all over and done with?

I managed just to pass my exams this year, and
realise, that I really will have to put a lot of
effort in to actually get a degree to be proud of. It
makes me nervous, really nervous. My parents reassured
me at Christmas, that they don't care even if I fail,
at least if I have tried, and anyway, I shall always
have learnt even some Norwegian, which will make it
all worthwhile.

But if I want to get a degree that I can get a job
with at the end of the day, which doesn't resemble my
current situation, of stuffing envelopes to health
authorities and filing documents for people who sit
next to the filing cabinet and can't put them away
themselves.

So I started my story. It is about a young girl, in
the summer holidays. Shes a little bored, and the
summer is drawing to an end. She lives in Norway, and
the sun doesn't set at this time of year, but Autumn
is fast approaching, and her best friend is on holiday
in France and hasn't even sent her a postcard. She
thinks too much and dreams too much and wastes away
hours quite happily dreaming of better things to come.
And then she can't get to sleep, andspends the night
tossing and turning, but her brain is overactive. Then
her mother wakes her at seven o clock in the mornin to
go into the town. To get to the town, they have to
take the local ferry, and so far, shes  sitting in the
ferry cafe, smelling all the wonderful Norwegian food
and fresh coffee, andconmpalining to her mother
because her mother bought her banana milkshake and she
wanted strawberry milkshake.

Its about 1000 words so far, and I'll have to get my
mum to proof read it, as my mum is fluent in Norwegian
(She is Norwegian, so it makes sense).

I sort of have an idea about what will happen. The
little girl, Lene ( named, because it is a poluar
Norwegian Name, along with my own christian name, but
I didn't want it to be about me. Also named because of
Lene Marlin, who went to school in Trmoso with a pal
of mine) is a dreamer.
And Maybe on her trip into town she will be so caught
up with daydreaming she will get lost.

the boyfriend suggested a mutant Penguin attack, but I
have lecturers to impress, and I don't think that the
surreal is something that regularly impresses them.

I'm trying to make it non autobiographical. Also, no
sweary words, since my mum has to proofread it.
So far, its non autobiographical. Except for the sun
and insomnia thing. And perhaps the dreaming. But I
never tell people my dreams, so it won't sound like my
dreams at all. And what will she dream of....

I decided she dreams of being in a nice hose, far away
from the village where she lives, doing all the things
shes never allowed to do, like eat as much sweets and
waffles and things as she likes, and staying up late
to watch TV, and all that sort of eight year old Jazz.

I am nervous about next year.
boo.

Anyway,
toodle pip, I'm off to search the internet for an
English norwegian online dictionary, as I lent my copy
to a girl during term time, and my mum has the other
copy at home.

Later,
Idles




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From ISawUfall at xxx.com  Wed Sep  6 00:57:34 2000
From: ISawUfall at xxx.com (ISawUfall at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:57:34 EDT
Subject: Sinister: NOONDAY UNDERGROUND (NO BS CONTENT)
Message-ID: <9e.94944d3.26e6e271@aol.com>

anyone knocked out by the NOONDAY UNDERGROUND album?

it rocks....buy it...love it...eat it!!!

no offense to all sinistereez...i dream of you at night
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 +-+       "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper        +-+
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From ISawUfall at xxx.com  Wed Sep  6 00:59:50 2000
From: ISawUfall at xxx.com (ISawUfall at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 19:59:50 EDT
Subject: Sinister: BLUEBOY cd's, lps, eps wanted!!!!!!!!!! (NO BS CONTENT)
Message-ID: <3c.8d4ed3.26e6e2f7@aol.com>

contact me if u can help me in any way shape or form


lots o love


davecass
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From frager103 at xxx.com  Wed Sep  6 02:09:40 2000
From: frager103 at xxx.com (Head in Clouds)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:09:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: ...
Message-ID: <20000906010940.22515.qmail@web3404.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey,

Anyone from Bath on the list?


Anyone up for a sinister night out in this Victorian
city?

Let me know,       Peter.   

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From Gromit324 at xxx.com  Wed Sep  6 04:23:51 2000
From: Gromit324 at xxx.com (Gromit324 at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:23:51 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Modest Mouse (no B&S, sorry)
Message-ID: <ee.a36c6a8.26e712c7@aol.com>

DEREK!!!!

You MUST go see Modest Mouse!!!  They are a truly magnificent band!!  I saw 
them at SXSW (Austin, Texas) last March.  Their new album (I have 
conveniently forgotten the title) is a MUST PURCHASE!!  It's one of the best 
albums I've bought all year.  Where are you going to see them?

You can e-mail me privately, so as not to irk anyone.

*Colleen*
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From garymaher at xxx.com  Wed Sep  6 05:51:25 2000
From: garymaher at xxx.com (garymaher at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:51:25 -0400
Subject: Sinister: No one will ever love you
Message-ID: <20000906.005128.-215183.3.garymaher@juno.com>

Kendra:  Philly was ok for college, but if I could do it over again, I
would choose a more exotic locale.  Maybe Burma.  (Not sure why I chose
Burma.  Guess I panicked.)

Laura:  Better Off Dead -- Oh yeah!!!

All:  Everyone who said Stephin Merritt was brilliant is spot on!  Now
playing is 69 Love Songs Vol. 2, and I'm just blown away . . .

g
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From cbrown2 at xxx.com  Wed Sep  6 12:55:28 2000
From: cbrown2 at xxx.com (cbrown2 at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:55:28 +0100
Subject: Sinister: I prefer a sophisticated syphon myself
Message-ID: <86256952.00418630.00@em-stpmta-01.mmm.com>



Hi all, just emerging from lurkerdom briefly before squirreling myself away
again (well, it is Autumn)

For all you Aussies out there and those over here lucky enough to have radio
type things on their hinternet 'puters the marvellous Sodastream are doing a
live show on triplej radio tonight at 10 (Sydney time) which is very soon over
here I think (I can only work to Perth time I'm afraid)

Should be worth a listen

That's all I had to say apart from big props to everyone I met at the Greenwich
piccernic you are all lovely, next time I won't have a mother of a hangover so I
can enjoy it properly:)

Ta ta all

Chris x


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From mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk  Wed Sep  6 15:03:56 2000
From: mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk (fiona)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:03:56 BST
Subject: Sinister: days spent with the grass and sun (or not)
Message-ID: <BBDB16C5532@mail1.mcc.ac.uk>

soooo.....
   the summer's gone and errrr.... well i'm back with uni email and 
with sinster. in my infinite wisdom i managed not to unsubscribe in 
may and came back to 1100 posts. yes 1100!! and no, i haven't read 
them all, but tried to read a fair sample and have been keeping up 
for the last few days at least.
 what i did notice however, was that because my mail programme puts 
new mail in alphabetical order by the sender i could see just how 
many posts there were from each sender and it seems that in the 
absence of honey to regulate them some people have seen fit to post 
every day thinking that i want to read an update on their fascinating 
lives every single day, well without wanting to seem rude, i don't!!

  ok, enough discussion of the listand more discussion of me me me 
and how great i am and how interesting my life is. over the summer i 
managed not to go anywhere or do anything at all worthy of note 
except go to work and go to bed and then come back to uni to do my 
resits. i have absolutely no idea how these went or when i get my 
results as my tutor emailed me to tell me they would be available 
today and today i have been to the examinations office who tell me 
they haven't got all the results and i should ask my department when 
they will be available.
  raaaaaaaaaaaaa.

  sorry i didn't get to any picnics even the one i was so 
enthusiastic abuot at first, but you were sending stuff to this email 
account and i wasn't here to read it, but it sounds like everyone had 
a good time without me *sob*

  on listening to iyfs the other day i was shocked to discover that 
the evil mr murdoch is still singing about a poor freezing fox 
wandering lonely in the snow searching for something to eat. surely 
now that belle and sebastian are stars of the hit parade top 20 they 
can afford to spare a few morsels for a fox that is clearly in need.
  as if al this weren't bad enough though, the tale of cruelty goes 
on.... stuart is also watching a boy on a bike who is clearly lost, 
"going up.. going down... going nowhere" and he realises that "its 
not as if its fun," but does he stop him and give him directions, of 
course not, he chuckles to himself in the style of a 70s cartoon 
baddie and goes in search of babies from whom he can steal sweets.

  umm... went to see snatch the other night and my boyfriend decided 
that in it brad pitt looks like badly drawn boy, but i told him its 
just because he looks like a tramp. he agreed. we laughed.

 idles said
>I decided she dreams of being in a nice hose, far away
i laughed again and pictured a young girl trying to squeeze herself 
into garden tools, then i realised that she probably just craved a 
nice pair of tights with a good fit.

well, its nice to be back,
       love and irn-bru, 
                                          fiona,
                                                courting controversy.


(you'll notice that its not 'love and jaffa cakes any more as i'd had 
to abandon said confectionary item after their sponsorship deal with 
manchester united was announced)


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From honey at xxx.org  Wed Sep  6 22:05:25 2000
From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:05:25 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: I haven't got a scoobie
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0009062156420.10808-100000@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>

WATCH OUT, THIS IS A LONG ONE

johnnyfive asked:
> pps: where is honey?
fiona said:
> in the absence of honey

Aw I'm sorry, I'm still here.  I've been here all the time, hiding
under the sinister stairs and watching attractive sinister ankles go by
and whispering "shh!" to the little sinister doggy that's down here
with me.  And occasionally peeking out and helping someone subscribe,
or unsubscribe, or having a quiet word.  I've also been in #sinister
the chat room, along with my friend Aunt Sadie.  "auntsadie, tartometer
damon".  If you haven't all met her, you must.

I'm way behind on a lot of things, and have a fistful of photos to put
up in the Sinister galleries - sorry it's taking so long, it's me
knees, it's me knees.  Including a photo of a 7" vibrating thing that
scares me and I don't know where to put (sic).  I mean is it a "thing",
or a "bodypart"?  A person?  A miniperson?  They can make very good
friends you know.

MISSPRINT.ORG

I've also done a little souping up of missprint.org, the source from
which we all flow, so if you know anyone who might want to move a
mailing list to somewhere with sexy attentive and "skilled" support
staff that doesn't add snivelling adverts to each message, ask them to
have a word with Miss Print.  In fact send them to
http://www.missprint.org/getalist/ - it'll help Sinister along on its
way and Miss Print will be enorusly grateful.  I just added a
snivelling little advert to this mail, didn't I?

Mr David Moore commented on the appearance of the spooky missprint.org
"SS" logo on the Sinister pages.  Just you wait, Mr Moore, Miss Print's
sexy stormtroopers will kick you into shape.  She's been busy, and some
of you will have noticed that the search engine is a little souped up,
making it easier to search for things now.  So if you didn't have much
luck before, try again.  I was amazed to see that the collective
Sinister nation had done 10,000 searches on the Sinister archives since
February, presumably all for obscenities.  You can now also search
across all the music lists at missprint now, and although there aren't
many yet, you'll see, you'll see.  They won't be smiling when we're
running the United Nations.

Talking of united nations, congratulations to Jordi on the arrival of
his Spanish B&S list, a bouncing little baby boy, little brother to her
3 year old Sinister Big Sister, who will make him jam sandwiches for
school and even tie his laces.  There's a link to it on the Sinister
page now.  I even got Aunt Sadie to help me write a hello message in
Spanish to the new list from Sinister, but she's nearly as hopeless as
me at it, and frankly, the results are untelligible.  I'm really
embarrassed.  Como esta usted?

My mobile phone's broken, in case anyone was thinking of ringing me.
"Good thing" I hear you say.  The irony of someone with M.E. having a
mobile phone isn't lost on me, no.  However!  I may be off to Gay Paris
next week, I'm being abducted.  It's that nice kind of abduction where
you get advanced warning.  I hope it doesn't involve masking tape.  But
apart from next week, I'm here honestly, watching over (or under you).

FLOWERS/COMPETITION

Two related things.  Do you remember when the band played Top Of The
Pops and were attacked by Tom Jones, naked as the day he was born under
his gorilla suit?  Search for "taffy tosspot" in the Sinister search
engine, and Peter Miller will tell you a tale.  Do you remember how
there were artificial flowers all over the stage and at the end the
band threw them to the audience like Dana International?  Actually I
got a picture from UK TV from a kind person who sent them to the
newsgroup, and it's at:

http://www.missprint.org/sinister/concerts/TOTP.html

I can't remember who it was who sent these.  If you're listening, 
please get in touch, and say if it's ok for me to include it there.

Anyway, we have (will have), preserved for you, one of the very flowers
that the BBC provided for the stage set above.  You can just about see
them in that picture, by the drums.  So what we need is a *competition*
like the good old days when we used to invent B&S-related swear words
in the "Sinister Profanothon", and you can be the proud owner of said
flower.

Could someone please invent a B&S-related competition, suitably stupid
and vaguely insulting like the last ones, and collect entries?  Then
assemble a crack team of judges and judge it?  If anyone wants to do
this, please mail me, "not the list".  I'll see if I can get some other
prizes too, although it may be a little plastic drummer boy in a kilt
worth two quid from a tacky Edinburgh tourist shop.  He *won't*
vibrate, no.

Finally, the person who's sending the flower also did some quick
interviews with a few people around that time, that didn't end up in
the press as they should've, so he thought you might all like to see
them, which is nice.  They're below.  The first is with the TOTP
producer Chris Cowey about it all, and the second is with Stuart at
TOTP.

Stay good,
Momia Miel xxx

--------------

CHRIS COWEY 

"TOTP used to be a children's show. I graduated from The Tube and The
White Room so I couldn't be having that. It's great having Belle and
Sebastian and S Club 7 on the same bill.

TOTP used to be predictable so I started throwing in curveballs like
Belle and Sebastian. People don't just like one sort of music unless
they're really sad. You've got to take the family view - there's a
7-year-old, a misunderstood student and a middle-aged parent. I'm all of
them. Which aspect of my personalities do Belle and Sebastian appeal to?
They appeal to my liking of 60s pastiche!

I hope this isn't their only performance on TOTP. The charts are
dominated by pop and dance - in `rock' people tend to buy albums. TOTP
should have bands who appeal to MM readers - we shouldn't exclude
people. It should be universal and reflect that. If you watch it all the
way through and you like all of it you need therapy!

Hopefully, Belle and Sebastian will be one of the memorable things about
TOTP. The stage is strewn with artificial flowers. Maybe there'll be an
All You Need Is Love moment. Hopefully they [the flowers] have been
washed since they were last used by Morrissey! We do 60s pastiches well.
We should have brought Tony Blackburn back to work for the night!"

------------------

STUART MURDOCH Q+A

Have you had any advice from your new showbiz mates today?

"Today?! God no! No one knows who we are."

This must have made a change from a 5 hour soundcheck.

"Yeah, absolutely. That's why it was a bit surreal, because we've just
been sitting around so there's nothing to get nervous about. It'll
probably just look as if we've just woken up when we're actually on."

How does TOTP compare to The Apocalypse Tube you played?

"It's just painless. The Tube was painful because we had to play live.
I thought The Tube was rubbish when we saw the show played back. I think
TOTP's rubbish, but you can't slag them off too much. We're just
monkeys."

So you don't have complete control?

"We're not in control at all! They put roses all over the stage and
we're like `whatever'."

You all looked nervous in rehearsal.

"I think it was just the miming thing. We'll need a few drinks and try
and make it look as if we're having a laugh. It'll be different when the
audience is in and we'll have a laugh with them."

Are you going to mime at future gigs?

"Absolutely not. Next time we're on TOTP we'll try and sing live. You
do get a buzz from playing live on TV and radio."

Do you think you appeal to teenyboppers?

"I dunno. I haven't got a scoobie. Maybe with this tune - it's a lively
tune so if we're jumping about they'll be jumping about."

Will Legal Man go up next week?

"I think we'll disappear from sight - come on!"

Have you got a single that will do better in the charts?

"We were trying to write a follow up smash in the dressing room."

How long does it take to write a smash?

"Not long at all, you've just got to get the spark. It's not a hard
thing to do if you have the talent or the inspiration. It took Jackson
to write this one."

Will you be staying in on Friday to watch TOTP?

"No. I'm going to New York . I'm going to do an interview with Time and
going on holiday."

Will your parents be sitting at home watching you proudly?

"I haven't told them. My dad will be playing golf, so I'll phone my mum
tonight."

Will they think this is the moment that you've made it or was that the
Brits?

"The moment my dad got his first royalty cheque through for Tigermilk.
He bought the tapes of Tigermilk when we were skint. We bought them
back, but he kept a share and he was quite happy to acknowledge I had a
proper job."

Are you sad that Steps aren't playing tonight?

"Not particularly. The Eels are playing so I'd like to see them."

Would you talk to Steps if they were here?

"Yeah, over a pint in the pub, but not necessarily at TOTP as
everyone's rushing about. It's like A Hard Day's Night."

What's your favourite TOTP moment?

"AC/DC because it meant a lot to me at the time. Baby Let's Get It Up -
I was just at that age, you know. The Smiths were fantastic, but I was
older so it didn't mean so much. I've still got my AC/DC records,
everything up until Back In Black."

Why are you wearing a Dennis The Menace t-shirt?

"I bought this 15 years ago. It smells a bit..."

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From Paul.Rudolph.B at xxx.com  Wed Sep  6 21:44:51 2000
From: Paul.Rudolph.B at xxx.com (Paul Rudolph)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:44:51 -0400
Subject: Sinister: typical letter
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From dougalshaw at xxx.com  Thu Sep  7 02:02:55 2000
From: dougalshaw at xxx.com (dougal shaw)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 02:02:55 BST
Subject: Sinister: Flynn reply: Campbell II
Message-ID: <LAW2-F171Mcx4vvsGOk000040b4@hotmail.com>

It seems slightly silly to argue on-line, especially on the list which is a 
community of like-minded people. Still, it can be fun to argue about the 
band which we all love. So I will answer your comments, then leave the 
subject alone.

Firstly, about Isobel appearing �fishy��etc. Those words were written in 
jest, but of course it is difficult to gauge someone�s tone in e-mails. I 
think it would be stupid to bitch about her in a serious manner anyway. Its 
like trading insults in the playground. And the band�s internal politics are 
there own business of course. Second guessing them is just a sort  of 
parlour game for bored minds. Still, it shows we care about the band. And I 
believe its wrong to be too deferential to a band you like. Just because you 
are a fan, doesn�t mean you renounce the right to criticise them. You don�t 
bow to the mysterious forces which create the music, which is how I 
interpreted your comment (�How would you know what her contribution is?�). 
In fact, people on the list have discussed Isobel�s contribution quite 
frequently, particularly in the light of her offering on the latest album, 
Beyond the Sunrise. A lot of folk commented  on the fact that it seemed to 
sit uncomfortably (at least initially) on the album, and perhaps Loneliness 
of the Middle Distance Runner should have been there instead. There was also 
a good review of the album in the Independent (or it might have been the 
Guardian) which made this same point, and argued that IC�s songs could upset 
the unity of B and S albums (I used the phrase �organic wholeness� which you 
obviously thought was poncey, but it was at least accurate).

Indeed, far from me plucking the topic of Isobel�s contribution to B and S 
out of the air, as it were, I think the issue plainly suggests itself. 
Isobel obviously feels that she has an artistic vision which cannot be 
expressed through the voice of Belle and Sebastian, or she would not be in 
two (count them) other bands of her own where she takes a more prominent 
role viz the song-writing. I don�t believe it is petty indie empire building 
on her part, but a genuine desire to explore her own artistic voice.

This brings us to your other interesting question about the nature of an 
individual�s contribution to a band. You say that �you might as well say 
Ringo spoiled the Beatles�. I don't think he spoiled the Beatles, but I 
think most people would agree that his contribution to the band's output was 
overshadowed by the other members. When a journalist asked Paul McCartney if 
he thought Ringo was the best drummer in the world, he quickly replied �I 
don�t think he�s the best drummer in the Beatles�. He wasn�t a particularly 
good drummer, and if you�ve heard his dismal musical offerings in the last 
few years, you�ll know he�s not a good song-writer either. The fact is that 
there is rarely an even distribution of talent in a band. Lennon and 
McCartney (and to a lesser extent Harrison) gave the Beatles their 
distinctive sound, and history has judged that Lennon was probably the more 
inventive and talented songwriter of the band (Case for the prosecution: the 
entire Wings back catalogue). I think there are quite a few bands in which 
some members are �key� and others peripheral characters who have been 
drafted in, or are along for the ride because they are friends. Lee Mavers 
was almost certainly the creative force in the La�s (prosecution exhibits: 
the on-going calamity that is the Cast back-catalogue). Some people in  the 
collaborative effort which is a  band are simply expendable. Would the Happy 
Mondays really be any different without Bez, the Jimi Hendrix Experience be 
significantly different without Noel Redding, Oasis any better or worse 
without their old drummer. There is no equality of talent in a band. To 
return to your Beatles point, Ringo brought his personality to the Beatles 
for sure. That may be important, but it�s only cosmetic. And after the years 
go past, and the screams of the obsessed fans die down, the cosmetic doesn�t 
matter anymore: just the music itself. (Which is why the Spice Girls back 
catalogue will rot in the obscurity it deserves in ten years time, as the 
impressionable six to twelve year olds will no longer be there to buy their 
music (fooled by the cosmetics of their media presence and so-called 
personalities), which on its own is tawdry, formulaic crap. If it conveys 
any kind of joy to anyone in the future, it will only be as a piece of 
nostalgia. But the Spice Girls won�t care, because they will already have 
their fortunes built from the piggy banks of the impressionable kids. Sorry, 
slight diversion there on a rant!)

Having said that, I agree that there are some bands where the quality of the 
songs seems to transcend the talents of the individual members (whole more 
than the sum of the parts sort of thing) , and it would be stupid  to 
isolate any single member as being the driving force. I think the Stone 
Roses would fall into this category, or the Pixies (Kim Deal and Joe 
Santiago made as much of a contribution to the band�s sound as Francis 
Black), or the Who to give three examples.

I suppose the idea of the pop band is quite strange in this respect. In most 
art forms, there is one person who is  responsible for the work: the 
painter, the sculptor, the classical composer, the novelist, the architect,  
the playwright. But in a pop band, there seems to be a mixture: the single 
artist expressing his or her vision, and the group of artists collaborating 
to make the work together. No wonder groups often end up in court arguing 
about royalty cheques (any Spandau Ballet fans out there, hello?).

Anyway, I think that is all I have to say on the matter. My fingers are sore 
from typing and I want to go and watch Ally McBeal because I enjoy hating 
it. If you have more to say and want to reply, please don�t be too nasty 
(and I expect we have more common ground than we realise). It�s o.k to 
disagree, and we should not lose sight of the fact that we are both having 
this discussion because we are devotees of the same band.

Respectfully,

Dougal

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From buddha at xxx.com  Thu Sep  7 08:28:46 2000
From: buddha at xxx.com (Gav)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:28:46 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Intro
Message-ID: <001b01c0189d$42970720$490dfd3e@jsu7t>

Hello to all the people who listen to Belle and Sebastian.

Yipee, I've finally been given a voice, so I guess I should point out that
I've arrived. I think you can also see me under the not-so-clever pseudonym
of 'GavatSublime' in the Photo page of the parent site.  This was taken at
an outdoor party near Perth in June and was a damn fine way to spend an
amazingly sunny weekend in Scotland!!

I'm Gav, 31 in a few weeks time and got into Belle and Sebastian when I
picked up a copy of the-then-just-released 'If You're Feeling Sinister' in
the local library a few years ago.  Quite what I was doing picking up a CD
of a band I had never heard of I don't know nor even why the local library
had it in stock, but that was the start of my love affair.  Heh heh, in the
last 7/8 years I've been more into dance music (specifically psychedelic
trance) but, well, essentially B and S send shivers down my spine and I've
been in love with the music ever since that first listen from the library. I
used to be into loads of indie bands when I was younger and used to
literally go to dozens of gigs in and around Glasgow, but I just generally
go out trancing around the world whenever I can.  Don't let that put you off
though, as I don't really compare 'Indie' music with the dance music I
listen to, I just like B and S as much as my psychedelic trance - only in a
different way.  I work for a (yawn) financial institution in Glasgow, read,
go to the movies, restaurants and pop over to Paris quite a bit to see my
g/f who is based there. Highlights this year, in all things, include 'Jesus'
Son' (the movie), 'Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant' (the
album), Em (the person) and the birds and bees and all of we!

Anyway, I hope that something here has made sense and remember, those who
love repetitive beats aren't all bad!!!  If I wasn't listening to 140 bpm I
would probably make up a compilation with Gram Parsons/Flying Burrito
Brothers, Helen Love, Delgados. JAMC, Janis Joplin et al on it.

Bom to everyone.

Luv

Gav.........



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From NeoSleeze at xxx.com  Thu Sep  7 09:30:54 2000
From: NeoSleeze at xxx.com (NeoSleeze at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:30:54 EDT
Subject: Sinister: showgirl for a bride...
Message-ID: <e4.a121cd4.26e8ac3e@aol.com>

Thanks everyone for your music suggestions...
I have my list ready and gonna go on a music spree this weekend 
Yeaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!

Golly I simply love the Belle and Sebastian video's on iCrunch I was 
wondering if this was the complete set of them all? I was thinking that 
maybe...
Ok there's one from each EP right Dog On Wheels, Century of Fakers, Modern 
Rock Song, Legal Man, and Lazy Line Painter Jane...
And there are two from TBWTAS 
Is It wicked not to care, and Dirty Dream number 2
And One from FYHCYWLAP
Wrong girl... 
There has to be more right?!

Plus...

I was also wondering is anyone has heard Rhoda and can tell me if this is one 
of those Outtakes from FYHCYWLAP cause I simply loooooooooove it...
yum it's like marshmallows...it's sweet and fluffy...

bah!
I love this list everyone is sooooo amazing...
Is there an Sinister-ines...from Washington State?  just moved here and would 
loooooooooooveee to meet some fellow B+S Admirer's...

caio!
Richard

Ps. I kinda started on a webpage today it sorta is vile right now but you can 
seee little portraits of meeeeeeeeeee.... 
http://members.aol.com/neosleeze/internal.htm
Pps...Mike J I have your cookies!
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From Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk  Thu Sep  7 12:18:16 2000
From: Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk (Nick.Dastoor at xxx.uk)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:18:16 +0100
Subject: Sinister: My name's Ringo and I play the fool
Message-ID: <80256953.003ED3C0.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk>



Dougal said:

>This brings us to your other interesting question about the nature
>of an individual's contribution to a band. You say that 'you might as
>well say Ringo spoiled the Beatles'. I don't think he spoiled the Beatles,
>but I think most people would agree that his contribution to the band's
>output was overshadowed by the other members. When a journalist
>asked Paul McCartney if he thought Ringo was the best drummer in
>the world, he quickly replied 'I don't think he's the best drummer in
>the Beatles'. He wasn't a particularly good drummer [...]

For heaven's sake, let's nail this Ringo lie once and for all!  People make fun
of Ringo just cause he's named after crisps and he's all big and clumsy.  Or
because they fancied Pete Best.  Yes that's it, isn't it Dougal?  You never even
gave Ringo a chance!  It wasn't *his* fault EMI told the band to lose Besty or
lose the deal.  I suppose it must have been hard for him when his brother George
ended up being the fifth Beatle despite being unable to play anything at all,
except the big ponce and football.  Very popular with the girls, though.  As was
Ringo, especially with Brummie lassies.  Did you ever see the proto-video for
'Something' that they showed as part of the Anthology series?  It had all the
Beatles skipping around the countryside with their speshal friends.  Paul and
Linda play kiss chase with some lambs. George and Patti Boulaye lose themselves
in each other's eyes, quite oblivious to a jealous God hatching his evil plans
in the bushes.  Even John and Yoko look quite sweet, resting their hair against
a tree and listening to the flowers grow.  It's a beautiful scene.  But what's
that noise puncturing the rural peace?  Why it's Ringo and his bird Maureen
tearing through the trees on a dirty great motorbike!  NMEEEEAOWWWWWWW!
Cracking stuff.

That Paul quote about him not even being the best drummer in the Beatles was a
joke!  Y'know - the kind of witty off-the-cuff remark for which John was usually
renowned.  John had just made a fart joke that got a big laugh from Sir Reginald
Snodgrass of the BBC and Paul's competitive streak was stirred.  That was how
the Beatles became so funny - that 'anything you can do I can do better' spirit
of rivalry.  Sometimes they'd get jokes sent over from Brian Wilson in America
and that would inspire them too, although they wouldn't always get all the
references.  Poor old Brian went mad eventually, trying to come up with a
punchline to some fantastically elaborate gag involving vegetables and Red
Indians that would completely rewrite the book of comedy.  Have you seen the
book of comedy?  It's fucking brilliant and has a whole chapter on how to laugh
girls into bed.  It doesn't tell you how to stop them laughing, though.  Maybe
that was in Brian Wilson's rewrite.  Sadly, we'll never know.

Ringo though - ace drummer.  Listen to 'Rain'.  Dooph dooph.

N. x


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From shewitt at xxx.uk  Thu Sep  7 12:31:46 2000
From: shewitt at xxx.uk (Stephen Hewitt)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:31:46 +0100
Subject: Sinister: HEADINGS, they're back
Message-ID: <39B77CA2.2C9710E0@ruskin.ac.uk>

HELLO CALLER
I was staffing reception yesterday, covering whilst the proper
receptionist had her lunch and i took a phone call.  Remembering my
proper receptionist manners, I asked the caller who was calling before
putting him through to the person he wanted to speak to.  Imagine my
surprise when the silky Irish tones at the other end of the line said,
"it's Tom Paulin."  I nearly fell off my chair, but i suppose now i'm in
the high flying world of academe i should expect these things.  It also
led to me humming "ballad of the bootboys" all afternoon.  Next week:
"ello, it's Tony Parsons, whatcha, geezer etc"

MUTATING SONGS
For some reason whenever i'm singing "waiting for the moon to rise" to
myself it mutates into "ease your feet into the sea".  What can this
mean?  Apart from the fact that i should probably listen to more non-B&S
music... 

COMPETITION
What about a "Paint" painting competition.  Using only the tatty
colouring program in accessories, make a picture of the band on TOTP. 
Hmm, a little microsoft-centric I suppose.  What's the equivilant
program called in UNIX?  Oh dear, i've just read honey's mail again,
better delete this bit and send it just to hon ;) We never did see the
entries to the profanathon, come to think of it (although as one of the
winners, i can exclusively reveal such B&S related swearing as "bellend
seb-arse-tian", "stuart merde-och", and "bigfatuglycellist")

SWEAR
I realise some of you may have seen this already, and you need shockwave
to get it to work, but it makes me laugh, yes, it's tourettes Barbie,
huzzah!  http://vorel.com/T-Barbie.htm (courtesy of www.ntk.net
mmmmmmmmmm, geeky)

STRANGE OLD MAN
I was walking across magdelan bridge the other day, on the way to work,
and this strange old man with a beard was walking the other way. 
Without provocation, he shouted, "<something> follow sinister people"
(<something> sounded like it could be "racists" or possibly
"spaceships") which seriously freaked me, but i managed to keep
walking.  When i turned to look back at him he was STARING at me, so I
went hurridly on my way.  Anyway, it's good to see that Peter Miller has
moved to Oxford after all.

DREAMS
I can't help it, I keep having vaguely B&S related dreams.  Last nite i
was dreaming about the dog on wheels video and saying to the people who
i was watching it with (possibly my mother), "ooh, my friend's grandad's
in this video" but it didn't get to that bit (any of you who don't know
which listee this refers to should search the archives).  Maybe it's
this new house i'm living in, maybe it's on a leyline that runs through
struan's head or something...

xoxo
CarsmileSteve
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From puntadellapis at xxx.com  Thu Sep  7 12:41:50 2000
From: puntadellapis at xxx.com (Punta de Llapis)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:41:50 +0200
Subject: Sinister: sinister: Anyone from Vic (Osona)?
Message-ID: <007001c018c0$9cffc850$e8d74cc3@isaac>

Hi you all!

Is there anyone from Vic in the list?
Billy Bragg and the Blokes are coming next week to Catalonia, to a music
festival in Vic (Mercat de Música Viva): next Friday 15, 19h.

We saw him some years ago, I'm afraid that it was the same year that B&S
came to the BAM (in Barcelona), but I didn't know them yet (shame on me!)...
But Billy was great! After the concert some people were waiting for him, and
he was very kind to us: showing us a photo of his son... He's very nice!

We are very glad for the new Segundos de luz mailing list, in Spanish...
Thanks to Jordiet for inviting us!
(Today we received the first message!)

See you there,

Annabel & Isaac




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From andy_flynnie at xxx.com  Thu Sep  7 14:37:43 2000
From: andy_flynnie at xxx.com (Andy Flynn)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:37:43 BST
Subject: Sinister: Angry From Aigburth!!!
Message-ID: <F7g72IvppGJcYDeWrMY00004b8e@hotmail.com>

Why you!!!  I Oughta......!!


>Just because you are a fan, doesn�t mean you renounce the right to 
>criticise them.

I haven't

>You don�t bow to the mysterious forces which create the music, which is how 
>I interpreted your comment (�How would you know what her contribution 
>is?�).

I haven't...But you dont know what they're like when they write or rehearse 
together!!  Have you ever been in a band.

>In fact, people on the list have discussed Isobel�s contribution quite 
>frequently, particularly in the light of her offering on the latest album, 
>Beyond the Sunrise. A lot of folk commented  on the fact that it seemed to 
>sit uncomfortably (at least initially) on the album, and perhaps Loneliness 
>of the Middle Distance Runner should have been there instead. There was 
>also a good review of the album in the Independent (or it might have been 
>the Guardian) which made this same point, and argued that IC�s songs could 
>upset the unity of B and S albums (I used the phrase �organic wholeness� 
>which you obviously thought was poncey, but it was at least accurate).

Monkey says monkey does.....Have a 'considered' opinion of your own.  It's 
not what HER songs are like its her input into stuarts songs...like everyone 
elses input into Stuarts songs.  They add flesh to the bones.  Whilst were 
on the Beatles comparison thing ...their method of writing was John or Paul 
turning up with a song and where the rest of the band would then pull it to 
bits saying it was shit and adding their pennies worth to flesh it out.  A 
songwriter can only really claim the melody and the chord progression unless 
their multi-instrumentalists and can write the complete score for every 
instrument implicitly.  And that is quite rare.


>Indeed, far from me plucking the topic of Isobel�s contribution to B and S 
>out of the air, as it were, I think the issue plainly suggests itself. 
>Isobel obviously feels that she has an artistic vision which cannot be 
>expressed through the voice of Belle and Sebastian, or she would not be in 
>two (count them) other bands of her own where she takes a more prominent 
>role viz the song-writing.

Oh its obvious is it?....How patronising can anyone get?
Could it not be that these are songs that Belle and Sebastian as a group 
have rejected to go out and that Isobel would still like to be heard so she 
puts them out as gentle waves stuff.  Because only the strongest songs...as 
mutually agreed by the band are put out!!!

Who knows...Not you thats for sure?

>This brings us to your other interesting question about the nature of an 
>individual�s contribution to a band.

Go on

>You say that �you might as well say Ringo spoiled the Beatles�. I don't 
>think he spoiled the Beatles, but I think most people would agree that his 
>contribution to the band's output was overshadowed by the other members.

Perhaps most people not familiar to the rudiments of drumming.  Try playing 
a set of beatles songs....Its physically tough if nothing else.  Ringo 
despite the popular misconception was a strong drummer.

>When a journalist asked Paul McCartney if he thought Ringo was the best 
>drummer in the world, he quickly replied �I don�t think he�s the best 
>drummer in the Beatles�.

Scouse wit.....Why did they replace Pete Best then and head hunt Ringo if he 
was such a shit drummer?  Why did the journalist pose the question in the 
first place...Did you think of that??


>He wasn�t a particularly good drummer, and if you�ve heard his dismal 
>musical offerings in the last few years, you�ll know he�s not a good 
>song-writer either.

Has anyone ever said he was a good song writer??  But his choice of what 
drums to put where in the songs changed them.  He influenced greatly how 
those songs would be structured and formed.

>History has judged that Lennon was probably the more inventive and talented 
>songwriter of the band (Case for the prosecution: the entire Wings back 
>catalogue).

Has history shown this indeed....Hmmm.  Who says?  I thought history 
couldn't separate them myself.

>Lee Mavers was almost certainly the creative force in the La�s (prosecution 
>exhibits: the on-going calamity that is the Cast back-catalogue).

Thats why its taken mavers over 10 years to record a 2nd album is it?

>Would the Happy Mondays really be any different without Bez, the Jimi 
>Hendrix Experience be significantly different without Noel Redding, Oasis 
>any better or worse without their old drummer.

You compare all the above like there is a common rule linking them!  And 
there isn't? Bez was a only dancer for a start!  So whats he got to do with 
anything??

And all Oasis drummers could be replaced by a 4/4 time drum machine! But 
someone like Chris Sharrock on drums...despite him not being the songwriter 
would completely change the sound of Oasis.

Again have you ever been in a band and thrashed out a song...everyone has an 
input???

>I suppose the idea of the pop band is quite strange in this respect. In 
>most art forms, there is one person who is  responsible for the work: the 
>painter, the sculptor, the classical composer, the novelist, the architect, 
>  the playwright. But in a pop band, there seems to be a mixture: the 
>single artist expressing his or her vision, and the group of artists 
>collaborating to make the work together.

Exactly my point!!  Now you're starting to make sense! And therefore you 
can't exclude Isobel...or anyone else from the overall sound of the 
band....whether its a matter of overlaying a harmony or arranging strings or 
a drummer filling in with ghost beats it all goes to forming the overall 
sound.

I'm not talking about Isobels songs (which I think are fine too)I'm talking 
about her overall input.  So everyone lay off her because none of us 
....none of us...really know anything about how the songs all come together.

But I have to say in my honest opinion when isobel harmonises or when 
strings kick in, its a safe bet that its HER input into a song of Stuarts 
that has unquestionably added to it.

Long live B & S.............ALL OF THEM!!!

Respek

Andy
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From exxxitt at xxx.com  Thu Sep  7 15:41:06 2000
From: exxxitt at xxx.com (man one)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:41:06 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Modest Mouse (no B&S, sorry)
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they're the  the best band ever. i saw them in san francisco this summer.
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From knightowl at xxx.net  Thu Sep  7 15:55:17 2000
From: knightowl at xxx.net (Knightowl)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:55:17 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Ringo and those famous lads
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> Have you ever been in a band.

Well I have (not that it really matters), and if you have too, you'll
realize that there are many different ways songs can come about in a "group"
setting right? So who is to say which of you is "right".

> not what HER songs are like its her input into stuarts songs...like
everyone
> elses input into Stuarts songs.  They add flesh to the bones.

I dunno. Does anyone actually have any insight into their songwriting
process? Perhaps he dictates the whole thing? Perhaps he just brings in a
good hook. Has he ever said how he writes songs?

  Whilst were
> on the Beatles comparison thing ...their method of writing was John or
Paul
> turning up with a song and where the rest of the band would then pull it
to
> bits saying it was shit and adding their pennies worth to flesh it out.

This is incorrect. Neither George or Ringo had much input into either of
their songs. George was allowed one song on each album I think it was - and
that one was ripped to shreds by John especially. For example it was John
who insisted a "better" guitarist was required for "While My Guitar Gently
Weeps" and so they got Clapton to play George's part.

John was the main songwriting genius. He would add the most to Paul's songs.
The parts that turned them into good songs as opposed to little pop ditties.
Another example, on Getting Better, its Paul's song but John adds the chorus
of "couldn't get much worse" which transforms the song into something else
entirely.

Arrangements are obviously important, but in that regard George Martin had
far more input than Ringo ever did.

You do realize I hope that on all the early songs with Ringo they actually
used session drummers in the studio instead of him.

A better example of how one needs a good arranger for my money was always
the Waterboys (anyone remember them? ;-)) Mike Scott came off horrifically
without Karl Wallinger's input. And simultaneously World Party had a nice
wall of sound feel, but always lacked substance. Two halfs who definitely
made a whole......

> songwriter can only really claim the melody and the chord progression
unless
> their multi-instrumentalists and can write the complete score for every
> instrument implicitly.  And that is quite rare.

Not true. Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush for example write the entire thing
using computers instead of an ability to0 play many instruments. I use them
as the example because they pioneered this idea. Lots of others do similar
things now too.

> Oh its obvious is it?....How patronising can anyone get?

Oh lighten up. Its just email.

> Could it not be that these are songs that Belle and Sebastian as a group
> have rejected to go out and that Isobel would still like to be heard so
she
> puts them out as gentle waves stuff.  Because only the strongest
songs...as
> mutually agreed by the band are put out!!!

Thats always possible, but I think it more likely that she feels her other
projects give her creative control and she can do things that aren't in the
realm of what B&S are supposed to be about or sound like - whatever that is
:-)

Its no different really than Looper. Members of a band are also individuals
with their own ideas. If you have a lot of ideas, you put out solo albums if
you can. Nothing more to it than that really. Cut the gal a little slack.

> Perhaps most people not familiar to the rudiments of drumming.  Try
playing
> a set of beatles songs....Its physically tough if nothing else.  Ringo
> despite the popular misconception was a strong drummer.

No he wasn't. Hell, its not like he's got a jazz combo a la Charlie Watts,
or does prolific drum solos in his All Star Band now does he?

Ringo was a guy they knew in Hamburg with hair dressing ambitions who was
popular with the slightly older women. He increased their audience and was
cute in a Monkee sort of way.

A good drummer he was not.

> Scouse wit.....Why did they replace Pete Best then and head hunt Ringo if
he
> was such a shit drummer?

Well Pete Best went on to fame and fortune (sic) as a baker, so we can
pretty much infer how talented he was as a drummer. I refer you back to the
fact above about session drummers.

>  Why did the journalist pose the question in the
> first place...Did you think of that??

Likely because he/she thought Ringo wasn't very good and wanted to see what
Paul would say :-)

And you accused the other person of being patronising Mr. "did you think of
that??". Come on, lighten up.

> Has anyone ever said he was a good song writer??  But his choice of what
> drums to put where in the songs changed them.  He influenced greatly how
> those songs would be structured and formed.

George Martin.

> >History has judged that Lennon was probably the more inventive and
talented
> >songwriter of the band (Case for the prosecution: the entire Wings back
> >catalogue).
>
> Has history shown this indeed....Hmmm.  Who says?  I thought history
> couldn't separate them myself.

I think that statement was pretty accurate. Its not very difficult to tell
which songs are John's and which Paul's. What was that old Lennon line in
"How Do You Sleep" - "the only thing you done was Yesterday". Now John, that
cat could write, and there's no grey area in that assessment. Its all pretty
Ebony and Ivory as I see it. :-)

> And all Oasis drummers could be replaced by a 4/4 time drum machine! But
> someone like Chris Sharrock on drums...despite him not being the
songwriter
> would completely change the sound of Oasis.

Although I am somewhat loathe to discuss Oasis and the Beatles in the same
posting, do you really suggest anyone in Oasis would stay in Oasis did they
not do exactly what Noel told them to do? Seriously?

> Again have you ever been in a band and thrashed out a song...everyone has
an
> input???

In some bands. Not all. Some are structured along corporate lines.
Especially as they get big and successful. There's a world of difference
between how a band like Oasis functions and a bunch of lads slogging it out
in a pub somewhere. Where on the scale B&S are at this point I have no idea,
but I think it likely Stuart rules the roost. (And that is why other members
are doing "solo" things).

> Exactly my point!!  Now you're starting to make sense!

What was it you were saying about "patronising"?

And therefore you
> can't exclude Isobel...or anyone else from the overall sound of the
> band....whether its a matter of overlaying a harmony or arranging strings
or
> a drummer filling in with ghost beats it all goes to forming the overall
> sound.

Agreed, but I don't think exclusion was the issue. I certainly didn't read
it that way in any event. When all is said and done, and all the ideas are
out there, the question is does someone have a final say. I think that
probable as I said. And its not Isobel.

> I'm not talking about Isobels songs (which I think are fine too)I'm
talking
> about her overall input.  So everyone lay off her because none of us
> ....none of us...really know anything about how the songs all come
together.

Ya, thats the question isn't it.

Still though, I think one could still say they prefer Stuart's songs to
Isobel's or something like that. Its not really out of line.

Personally, I don't pay much attention to who wrote what on the albums. I
play them and I like what I like. If something sticks out like a sore thumb
I might wonder about it, but otherwise, its all B&S to me. You know what I
mean?

Like the Waterboys example, I think if the band broke up (knock on wood) and
Stuart did a B&S album with session musicians it would sound different.
Probably not as good. But maybe better.
You never know.

Two opposite examples off the top of my head. Morrissey is still Morrissey,
but without Johnny Marr, his solo stuff has never sounded as good as the
Smiths. Always just not quite there. The antithesis is Katrina and the Waves
and/or the Soft Boys. Kimberly Rew gave Hitchcock and edge he's lacked solo.
Also with the Waves, he was the songwriting talent. catchy pop ditties that
man can write. But when the other members decided they wanted to try their
hand and get a cut of those royalties the band went straight to shit.

Group dynamics are always a tricky thing.

> But I have to say in my honest opinion when isobel harmonises or when
> strings kick in, its a safe bet that its HER input into a song of Stuarts
> that has unquestionably added to it.

Is it? I dunno. There are string sections, producers, who knows who did
what? I see no credit on the CD as per "string arrangements by Isobel".
Maybe she did. Maybe she didn't.

> Long live B & S.............ALL OF THEM!!!

No argument there.

Ed



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From brier at xxx.com  Thu Sep  7 17:06:24 2000
From: brier at xxx.com (Brier Random)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:06:24 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Re: Waiting for the moon to ease your feet
Message-ID: <00be01c018e5$949760e0$729ef1d1@Brier.sb.net>

Re: Below
Yes, yes, yes, exactly!!!  Where the violins come up in "Moon To Rise", try
singing "It's an emergency, there's no more wait & see."  It fits exactly.
Mutation indeed.

>MUTATING SONGS
>For some reason whenever i'm singing "waiting for the moon to rise" to
>myself it mutates into "ease your feet into the sea".  What can this
>mean?  Apart from the fact that i should probably listen to more non-B&S
>music...
>


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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Thu Sep  7 18:18:39 2000
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:18:39 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Parlour gems and their cosmetic value
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Ufff.If the time/quality ratio is still the standard to establish the
good value of any message to this list of ours and Mama Miel,the
hours of painstaking research which have preceded the next lines
hopefully will redeem them from the most severe of courts out there.

Following my first encounter with the one and only PF and its/his/her
exchange with Ally Cook and others,  I dived into the infinite and blue
swimming pool of quotes which is the Web to learn better on Lloyd Cole
with and without the Commotions, and perhaps with good luck, to puzzle out
that enigma  involving on Scouser fibs arriving to Spanish shores.

Sorry to report that no answer came to bring any conclusions to the
dilemma JB/KK-reference mentioned above.But in some page named 'Creative
Noise' and edited by Brian B. ,post-grad at the University of Arizona, I
found the suggestion of some thought-provoking link between Mr Cole and
the very own Belle and Sebastian.

Before posting any quote on the subject, fearing the irk of the crew who
already had had a go at it,as it included some of the better-read scholars
in this parish, I went and made good use of the SEARCH sinister services
to check if already had been mentioned.Only some bridge over troubled
waters joining Cole's and Lawrence's vocals could be remotely related , so
I considered it was worth coming to it.

Brian's these (I cannot find the web address, but if you type Lloyd Cole +
Creative Noise on any search engine it would be easy enough to
find...sorry about that)is based on an accurate definition of 'college'
rock as the genre performed by liberal arts graduates/students, usually
depicting their peers' existences in their lyrics,populated,however, with
the literary and filmic references that those would recognise and
appreciate, as other college graduates and would-be ones, will basically
make up thir natural audiences.He claims Lloyd Cole, especially in his
times with the Commotions as an early founder of such tradition,
which would find its more remarkable exponent nowadays in Belle and
Sebastian's works.And underlines the Scottishness of them all...

An example of a fed-back, incestuous scene,maybe.


I have missed the rescue of Headings perpetrated by Carsmile Steve,sorry
if this becomes cumbersome and unreadable.Some people obviously enjoy the
amount of free time at work to pen organised mails while they substitute
their receptionist for a lark and talk to academic jet setters casually.

Imagine the following scenario.Ring, ring on my colleague's desk while he
has abandoned the Silicon Graphics for some paltry seconds.Being a not
very mythomaniac person myself, I have found difficult to picture some
name which would make my knees tremble with the doubt of holding up
metaphorically the one at the other extreme of the line to ask him/her how
that book was written, who is that person the song talks about, why that
film had to end so sadly.But it would be a lifetime opportunity in certain
cases...I don't know, I quite enjoyed the anecdote as the door to some
surreal conversation between myself,Charles Smithson and Jeremy Irons in a
telephonic remake of 'The French Lieutenant's wife'.

I should think of working at some other academic institution.Maybe
secretarial positions at the BFI are available in the next future.Hope I
won't get confused with Charles Ryder too if the chance arrives.


x

Arantxa



 



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From david at xxx.uk  Thu Sep  7 18:54:46 2000
From: david at xxx.uk (David White)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:54:46 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Sacre Bleu
Message-ID: <LNBBIEGADDEMDLPIAGBKAEKKCCAA.david@djwhite47.freeserve.co.uk>

>>Protesting French<<

Aren't they great the French. I only wish I lived in a country where people
don't stand for merde and bring the country to a grinding halt if they don't
like what the politicians are doing. Superb!

>>The Beatles<<

>history has judged that Lennon was probably the more

>inventive and talented songwriter of the band (Case for the prosecution:
the

>entire Wings back catalogue)

It's obviously true then that death is the best career move for a musician
if you genuinely believe this. Surely it's only cos Lennon has been dead for
20 years and has like so many other dead musicians been idolised, that
people think like that. People tend to remember musicians who die young in a
positive light (how likely is it that if Kurt Cobain hadn't died that today
Nirvana would be anything other than another Pearl Jam or that if Jim
Morrison hadn't died that the Doors would be have ever been the subject of a
major Hollywood film?). Remember that although the public perception of
Lennon is of a humourous, peace loving hippy he was also self confessed wife
beater, adulterer and drug abuser.

Lennon was if anything the least productive member of the Beatles during the
last 2 or 3 years of the band (arguably their most inventive period),
spending too much time with Yoko Ono and dabbling increasingly in drugs, and
had become less of an influence than Harrison by the time of Abbey Road
(much of which was recorded in Lennon's absence). It's widely regarded that
Lennon lost the 'control' he had had over the other 3 Beatles when Brian
Epstein died and McCartney became the most influential member.

We'll never know if Lennon would have made the equivalent of the Frog Chorus
but how many artists of his generation make music of any note or credibility
these days? For every Imagine or Jealous Guy there is a Revolution 9 or
Across the Universe: Lennon was not infallible.

>>Content<<

Is it Hyndland Church Hall that Stuart M lived and the band rehearsed? I saw
letters about the aforementioned building in the Glasgow Herald the other
day although no mention of the band.

By the way, in the event that anybody on the list doesn't have any of the
band's albums, I noticed that HMV have them in their sale, for £9.99, a
bargain surely!

David White

www.belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk for LOAMDR, Lord Anthony and Paper
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From brier at xxx.com  Thu Sep  7 19:01:40 2000
From: brier at xxx.com (Brier Random)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:01:40 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Legal Man Lyrics?
Message-ID: <00e801c018f5$acead860$729ef1d1@Brier.sb.net>

Well it's been a little while and still no lyrics for Legal Man on the
Jeepster site (tho "coming soon", it continues to say).  So pleez make any
corrections to these so we can get em put up.....



Eh, don't make me laugh
it's coming 'round, it's coming back.
Eh, don't make me laugh
it's coming 'round, it's coming back.

Refer to our discussions
refer the terms of our love affair.
I exercise all options
and I know I'll see you there.

Ba, ba ba ba ba, ba ba ba ba, ba ba ba ba.
Ba, ba ba ba ba, ba ba ba ba, ba ba ba ba.
Eh, don't make me laugh
it's coming 'round, it's coming back.
Eh, don't make me laugh
it's coming 'round, it's coming back.

Notwithstanding provisions
of clauses 1,2,3 and 4,
Extend contractual period
me and you forevermore.

You're the legal man
you've got to prove that you're no liar.
I'll render services that you may reasonably require.

Eh, don't make me laugh
it's coming 'round, it's coming back.
Eh, don't make me laugh
it's coming 'round, it's coming back.

Get out of the city
and into the sunshine.
Get out of the office
and into the springtime.
Get out of the city
and into the sunshine.
Get out of the office
and into the springtime.


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From vodkabird at xxx.com  Thu Sep  7 21:03:32 2000
From: vodkabird at xxx.com (vodkabird at xxx.com)
Date: 7 Sep 2000 16:03:32 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Re:Sacre Bleu
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From speirs at xxx.edu  Fri Sep  8 00:04:05 2000
From: speirs at xxx.edu (Kendra M Speirs)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:04:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: the third planet
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10009071839500.11587-100000@dolphin.upenn.edu>


Hi there sinister,

colleen .. you are right on ... the new Modest Mouse is a brilliant album
(*the moon and antarctica*) ... dark, a bit eery and full of rythmn. they
are tremendous lyricists too. similar sound as Built to Spill, i think.

anyone else see *wonderland* and leave feeling like all their nerve
endings were exposed? it's strange .. that a film about four days in the
lives of a couple young people in london could have such an incredible
impact. i saw it with a friend, and after it had finished we 
staggered in a daze to a near pub and sat at the counter, clutching our
pints with both hands. neither of us could say much ... just gaze across 
at our reflections behind random bottles of gin and whiskey. 
i'd recommend the film, but be prepared for a melancholy evening.

i'm knackered. too much science, too little exposure to fresh air.

kendra



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From CaMo81 at xxx.com  Fri Sep  8 01:48:21 2000
From: CaMo81 at xxx.com (CaMo81 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:48:21 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Legal man lyrics
Message-ID: <2b.a773f3a.26e99155@aol.com>

    Ahh some corrections. It goes:

    L-O-V-E love, its coming back, its coming back, 
as opposed to:
    Eh, don't make me laugh, it's coming 'round, it's coming back.


    A little trick. If you look at the inside of the liner notes, on the 
messy desk there are 2 letters. One is some of the lyrics of the song, 
slightly different, but it's easy to pick out the differences.  The other is 
something written to "Stevie" (I'm assuming Jackson). If you read it down. 
It's slightly incoherent, but it mentions something about "Middle distance 
runner."

    As for the Beatles:

    To quote my Dad after hearing "Band on the Run" by Wings, "They shot the 
wrong Beatle."  
That about sums it up. 

    Its been said on the list by some people that they don't want to hear 
about politics, updates on peoples lives, or long drawn out threads. What 
then, might I ask, do you want? There is obviously a lack of B&S content due 
to their secretive ways.  Personally, I would rather here about what's going 
on in someone's life than a gig report or comparisons of bands I have never 
heard of. Everyone needs somewhere to vent about what is bothering them or 
what's going on in there lives. It's like the scene in the all the movies 
where the housewife gets upset when her husband doesn't ask her how her day 
was.  In my humble opinion, we should keep the list content diversified to 
suit all members likes and dislikes.  I know I'm going to receive about 10 
emails scolding me for being the insolent, naive child that I am.  Atleast I 
will get responses. I always get more responses when I piss people off then 
when I amuse them.


                                                        Psychologist for a 
day,
                                                        Derek

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From redelvis at xxx.net  Fri Sep  8 02:24:16 2000
From: redelvis at xxx.net (JR?)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:24:16 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Modest Mouse (no B&S, sorry)
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man one wrote:
> they're the  the best band ever. i saw them in san francisco this summer.

i agree with botha ya :) i've seen them a couple times now and they
never disappoint but they are best in a small club experience! rar! lots
of dancing and like drunken disco indie rock shit, it's lovely. i see
them again in LA at the Anson Ford, i'm not excited yet because it's a
seated place, but hopefully there is room to get jiggy with it. oh i get
to see Elastica sometime soon, and hopefully another words and guitar
experience with sleater-kinney eh? ehhhh.. ehhh! bye furry friends :)

jusqu'à la fin, daniel ryder the park ranger

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From Simiansurvival at xxx.com  Fri Sep  8 04:15:34 2000
From: Simiansurvival at xxx.com (Simiansurvival at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:15:34 EDT
Subject: Sinister: melody of certain damaged sinistereens
Message-ID: <4e.acb2111.26e9b3d6@aol.com>

holy shit and a half.

i haven't posted here in a while... i moved from new jersey to st louis to 
attend college at webster university, but i've been lurking, and boy, has the 
list gotten exciting again.

here's my two cents on some different debates/discussions going on in these 
parts:

**Isobel/B&S Songwriting/Etc.**

well, i don't know how the songs are written either, but i asked stuart david 
about it a while back when i did an interview w/ him (it's up at miss print 
dot com), and this is what he said:

"Mostly with B&S someone writes a song and brings it in finished, and if 
whoever wrote it has any ideas for what the other instruments should play 
then the other instruments play that part. Otherwise everyone just plays 
whatever they want to. I think they've been doing things a bit different 
recently, but I haven't been there for a while."

not the greatest explanation, but it clues us in a bit more. it all sounds 
good to me anyhow. i had asked him because i was simply curious how the band 
arranges the songs w/ all the various instruments.

In terms of Beyond the Sunrise (which is one of my faves off the new album), 
I had originally thought it to be a Stevie song after reading something the 
band's manager said to Select magazine regarding Fishyclap. After I found out 
that it was written by Isobel, it made me look at the Gentle Waves in a more 
positive light. Though I liked the Gentle Waves CD already, I enjoy it much 
more for some reason. Both Legal Man and Fishyclap have become my favorite 
B&S records (replacing 3..6..9 and Tigermilk) because the band feels more 
confident, yet still as beautiful as before. The songwriting from all parties 
turned out very strong... I'm hoping Sarah comes up with some more songs in 
the future especially. Well, seeing how I'm going on a tangent...

**good records I've gotten recently**

i've gotten lots of grat music, new and old, this summer in my travels. these 
are some of my faves, and they are all highly recommended (though it varies 
in styles quite a bit):

**Blonde Redhead "Melody of Certain Damaged Lemons" (my favorite record of 
the year so far. simply beautiful and menacing at the same time)
**Sunshine Fix "Future History of..." (Bill from Olivia Tremor Control. 
Psychedelic slow jams and hoedowns)
**Goldfinger Original Sound Track (indeed, James Bond Goldfinger)
**The Good the Bad and the Ugly Soundtrack (Ennio Morricone. wild.)
**Lee Hazlewood "Cowboy in Sweden" (Beyond "Beyond the Sunrise".)
**Trans Am "Red Line" (robot skateboarding music)
**Mouse on Mars - everything
**Stereolab "First of the Microbe Hunters" (i recently started working at the 
Gap in the STL Galleria (!) and they played all 9 minutes of "Outer Bongolia" 
in the kids store!  if only the kids could appreciate that title. to make 
things even more demented, they played hanson right afterwards.)
**Boredoms "Vision Creation Newsun" (sun-worshipping psychedelic exotica)
**Martin Denny "Exotica" (the man the boredoms pay tribute to. psychedelic in 
a totally different way- jungle cats & bird calls.)

well, if you haven't all died from boredom due to this post, i'll stop now. 
if you have died of boredom, then I'll miss you. rest in peace.

gracias and aloha,
mike j
 PS- yoko is my favorite beatle
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From myradio at xxx.net  Fri Sep  8 05:27:54 2000
From: myradio at xxx.net (Courtney Knopf)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 21:27:54 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Lost Angeles
Message-ID: <39B86AC1.504240B4@pacbell.net>

hola Tanneritos.

a big fat smooch to all the lovely London Sinisterines who were lovely
enough to put up with and entertain my roommate Sarah and I during our
vacation. and a titty twister goes to the lovely Mark Casarotto and his
man-nipples (which were standing at full attention during the entirety
of the London Sinister picnic -- not just while he was having a one-man
wet t-shirt contest during the downpour in the park). Hopefully I will
have some nice pictures to send to Honey in the near future, so you can
all witness the glory.

Anyway, the point of this email is to try and rally the insanely lazy
and anti-social Los Angeles members of the list into having a picnic
some time in the near future. I tried to corral fellow listee and
concert-whore Andy Corradino into action with me, but apparently my cry
for help landed on deaf ears. i think he may be too busy zipping around
in his new Jetta buying Ikea furniture to care about me anymore. weep
sob, etc.

So does this sound good to anyone? Just to up the smut factor, I vote
for Will Rogers State Park where George Michael got arrested for his
um... hand-y work. oh yes, i know it was a bad joke, but it was RIGHT
THERE! Or we could just go to a bar and get plowed. you tell me.

xx
courtney


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From chrislampinen at xxx.com  Fri Sep  8 07:24:46 2000
From: chrislampinen at xxx.com (chris lampinen)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 02:24:46 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Sauce!
Message-ID: <F21ymQ1WE9ql2RkeS8Y00006b7b@hotmail.com>

Hello dears!

Today I woke up and decided it would be a sauce day. I promptly stripped out 
of my pjs and rolled off my bed onto the floor, where I proceeded to cover 
every inch of my naked body with Ragu. Why, you may ask? Because I am a 
saucy boy!

So, covered with sauce I wandered outside. The neighbors looked at me, and I 
smiled. I said 'hello!' They said 'hello Sauce Boy,' but in honor of Friend 
Bear I asked them to turn it around and call me Boy Sauce instead. Well, 
after a cigarette I decided it was time for a jog. I rambled down the street 
with the neighbors yelling "Look! There's Boy Sauce running down the 
street!" behind me.

I returned home all sweaty and saucy. I took a shower and put on my favorite 
cardigan and kilt, all the while singing "I Had the Time of My Life."

After an hour or so of singing I got a bit bored. I went to the mall and 
threw rocks at young boys and their mothers. Why? Because I am MEAN. Grr!

I hit one little boy rather hard in the elbow and his mother got quite 
irritated. She started chasing me. I ducked into the bathroom. Here is where 
B&S come into play.

I needed a disguise so that Angry Mom wouldn't recognize me upon my exit. 
The problem was all I had was a rather small Bus shirt that I had just 
purchased at Sam Goody.

I wasted no time.

The kilt and cardigan were tossed into the waste bin, as well as my undies 
(just in case she had got a glimpse while I was running). That left me with 
a fairly tight fitting B&S shirt that barely ran past my belly button, and 
nothing else. Well, I used to be in cub scouts, so I'm quite resourceful. I 
took the paperclip that i always keep in my wallet (cub scout, remember) and 
made a makeshift diaper with my B&S shirt. I strutted out of the restrooms 
proudly, laughing at the confused mother standing next to the door.

Not recognizing me, she complimented my hips. I have sexy hips.

Yes. So now you know how useful a B&S shirt can be.

Love,
Christiaan
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From cellophanesky at xxx.com  Fri Sep  8 08:27:44 2000
From: cellophanesky at xxx.com (Brian Pennington)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 03:27:44 -0400
Subject: Sinister: All the Dope in New York
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Hello,
	Well, Sinister, you may be quick but I am determined. It took 
me a long time to catch up with you, but tonight I finally did. And 
about time, too! The NYC picnic is this weekend! Woo! Mind you I'm 
still in rural West Virginia. However, tomorrow evening I will arrive 
in New York. Not explicitly for the picnic, but I'll be attending 
nonetheless. In fact, I'm going to move to New York, so if you're 
there and bored send an e-mail my way, I'm sure I have room for some 
new friends. Or better yet say hi at the picnic, I'm on the pic page 
after all, I should be easy to make out. Notice there was no 'with' 
at the end of that sentence.

	Speaking of smut, Chris has put us a step in the right 
direction. I demand more sauce! Be it ragu or some other boy sauce. 
Yes, we need more of it. And Beatles discussion. Well, for the time 
being. Myself I don't know that either Lennon or McCartney was a 
larger genius. I think possibly my favorite Beatles song would be by 
Paul (Your Mother Should Know) but a larger portion are my favorites. 
But as to Abbey Road being arguably their highest point? I would be 
the person who would put arguably in that sentence. If you ask me it 
was
Magical Mystery Tour. But Abbey Road is also lovely. Enough of that.

	In a more relevant topic, it was interesting to see 
individuals from Felt and the Go-Betweens comment on Belle & 
Sebastian. Especially Lawrence. For some reason Felt and the 
Go-Betweens form the Dynamic Duo of the 80s in the world inside my 
head. I don't know if they're really all that connected, other than 
the fact that I love them both, they're both B&S influences and 
there's at least one vaguely Felt-sounding Go-Bs song. I was just 
flattening my Go-Betweens poster today, well today and yesterday. I'm 
getting it put in a frame because it's signed and I worry about it 
becoming dilapidated. Poor poster.

	That brings us to autumn. I'm not sure why, really. But in my 
list of things to talk about in this post it was next. So now that 
we've cleared that up, can I just say autumn is my favorite time of 
year? I don't listen to Isn't Anything at the start of it, I listen 
to Souvlaki. Not the food, the Slowdive album. But they're both 
shoegaze, maybe there's something about shoegaze being autumnal. I 
like autumn, especially the first day with a cool breeze. For me that 
day was earlier this week. I didn't listen to Souvlaki, but I did 
drive around in my car with the windows down.

	Do Belle & Sebastian have an autumn album? Well, everyone 
associates albums differently, but for me Sinister was always wintry, 
Arab Strap summery, and beyond that I don't know. I think both of 
them came out in those respective seasons so it could explain that. 
Tigermilk is such a random collection I doubt I could ever associate 
it with anything other than chaos. Fishyclap is...I suppose a little 
summery. Maybe the next LP will come out in the fall. Fall 2008 with 
our luck...

	Speaking of our dear Belles, I'm not really that fond of this 
whole other-songwriters thing, and I've already made that abundantly 
clear. I think I would never have complained about it, honestly, if 
Sinister and Tigermilk hadn't been all-Struan affairs. I mean I love 
some of the songs he didn't write the main bits too, especially 
Waiting for the Moon to Rise. But I loved the way the songs fit 
together in an album when it was all Struan. Sadly that day may never 
come again. Still, the new stuff is good too. I'm just being 
negative...

	On a positive note, I found a nice MP3 of Rhoda on Napster. 
Well, the beginning bit was cut off but I was happy someone else had 
taken the time to encode it, I'm pretty lazy with making MP3s of old 
tapes. Maybe now that everyone can theoretically hear it I won't feel 
like such a trainspotter mentioning it?  It's not that great anyway. 
But it's decent. Sometimes I think it was intended as an album 
opener. You know, how the album openers all begin with some acapella 
Struan? Well it does too. And all the recent albums have had 
excellent lovely openers, so it got shelved. I could go on, but if 
you've read down to this point I owe you the favor of saving you from 
any more torture. Thank you, and goodnight.

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From knightowl at xxx.net  Fri Sep  8 04:17:02 2000
From: knightowl at xxx.net (Knightowl)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:17:02 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Sacre Bleu
References: <LNBBIEGADDEMDLPIAGBKAEKKCCAA.david@djwhite47.freeserve.co.uk>
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> It's obviously true then that death is the best career move for a musician
> if you genuinely believe this. Surely it's only cos Lennon has been dead
for
> 20 years and has like so many other dead musicians been idolised, that
> people think like that.

Not at all. As someone weened on the Beatles, I can tell you me and people
like me knew John was the man long before he was shot.

> People tend to remember musicians who die young in a
> positive light (how likely is it that if Kurt Cobain hadn't died that
today
> Nirvana would be anything other than another Pearl Jam

If only Pearl Jam had died young instead ;-)

If this were true, why can't I even remember how to spell Shannon Hoon?

While its true that there are always Johnny come latelies and the media
grasps ahold of these things, its far from a universal truth.

although the public perception of
> Lennon is of a humourous, peace loving hippy he was also self confessed
wife
> beater, adulterer and drug abuser.

Actually, my perception was always of a troubled and alienated genius with a
wicked sarcastic wit.

Wife beater? Where's that "fact" from?

As for adulterer and drug abuser, well which rock star from that era (or
most any era) isn't/wasn't?

> Lennon was if anything the least productive member of the Beatles during
the
> last 2 or 3 years of the band (arguably their most inventive period),

???? I'm amazed that you can say this. Is the legacy of the era contained
within the legacy of the Let It Be movie perhaps?  The movie made by Paul,
for Paul, starring Paul, and loathed by the rest of them - even Ringo.

John's stamp is clear everywhere, but as this isn't a Beatles list I'd best
not go into it too deeply.

> spending too much time with Yoko Ono and dabbling increasingly in drugs,
and

Some would say this brought out a lot of the "inventiveness" you mention
above.

> had become less of an influence than Harrison by the time of Abbey Road

Prove it.

> (much of which was recorded in Lennon's absence).

News to me. Where's this info from? I'd guess then you don't think She's So
Heavy is the best thing on that album?

 It's widely regarded that
> Lennon lost the 'control' he had had over the other 3 Beatles when Brian
> Epstein died and McCartney became the most influential member.

What exactly does "widely regarded" mean?

Its nonsense.

> We'll never know if Lennon would have made the equivalent of the Frog
Chorus
> but how many artists of his generation make music of any note or
credibility
> these days? For every Imagine or Jealous Guy there is a Revolution 9 or
> Across the Universe: Lennon was not infallible.

No he wasn't, but the statement was that he was more important than Paul,
not that he was infallible.
And by way of obvious comparison I'd take the Plastic Ono Band album over
McCartney (was that the title? the debut one with the bowl of cherries) any
day. Thats each of them coming fresh off the Beatles solo. Go song by song
and see who is the better writer 30 years later.

No contest.

Well, sorry if the tone of that got harsh. I just get the old ire up when
people present "facts" from Goldman books or wherever as "facts". Bunch of
journalistic shite........aargh.

Ok, I feel better now.

Besides, Noel from Oasis worships John and not Paul right? That says
something doesn't it............
 (damn, did I just disprove my whole argument?? :-))

Lightness,
Ed



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From mariasierraflorez at xxx.com  Fri Sep  8 11:51:52 2000
From: mariasierraflorez at xxx.com (Maria Sierra)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:51:52 CEST
Subject: Sinister: 'London has let me down again' & 'À bout the souffle'
Message-ID: <F68TGJ2TUSzbAUfKRfc0000b66f@hotmail.com>


Hello sinister people!

how are all you doing? I hope you are fine and you have had a nice summer. 
Now it's time to go back to the routine and to the vile weather as well, but 
don't feel sad about that and try to take it easy!

As for me, I have had a nice cinematographic holiday. I have spent most of 
my 'summer wasting' watching films, some of them in cinemascope. I have been 
listening  to 'London has let me down again' quite a lot lately and a 
question about it has turned up in my mind. At the begining of the song  
there are some spoken words in French that say something like "ne bouge 
pas!". I was wondering where has this introduction been taken from. Do you 
think it could be form the Jean-Luc Godard  film '� bout the souffle', with 
Jean-Paul Belmondo and Jean Seberg? The voice of the man reminds me to 
Belmondo's one and it could be from the end of the film (when Belmondo is 
killed) Maybe it's just my imagination... Please, don't laugh too much about 
me if I'm wrong...

What do you think about it? I thought that perhaps somebody could tell me 
the answer of it as I know that most of you like films and are very keen on 
them.

Thanks to Jordi for inviting me to join the 'segundosdeluz' list. I'm glad 
to see a few of you there and I'l looking forward to reading your posts in 
Spanish, especially the ones from 'momia miel' (Honey, your Spanish is not 
that bad and I undesrtand all of your mesage)

Kisses and autum leaves,

maria

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From mikelsen at xxx.nz  Fri Sep  8 11:09:48 2000
From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:09:48 +1200
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Message-ID: <001001c0197d$09c6be00$776137d2@mikelsen>

Hey kids.

***LINER NOTES***
Wow ... I've just finished the booklet to "69 Love songs". I love bookelts
that accompany CDs. Good liner notes are a beautiful thing, and were on of
the initial reasons I fell in love with Belle & Sebastian. My favourite
liner notes are those in the the two Postcard Records Orange Juice
compilations - "The Heather's on Fire" and "Ostrich Churchyard". They make
you so enthuiastic. But back to Stephin erritt. I believe he is a genuis. I
can't stop lapping up his music. I got "Memories of Love" by Future Bible
heroes the other day ... and have the new EP and the Gothic Archies EP in
the mail as I write this. Can't get enough ......

***CAREER SATISFACTION***
I have a new job. I colour in pictures. It's great ... I get really good
money to draw stuff, and then animate it for a children's educational
website. Fun fun fun. (Although also hard hard hard!)Still, it's nice waking
up not feeling cruched by worthlessness because you can't get a decent job.
I've been seriously underemplyed for ages, and was bloody sick of it.

***SODASTREAM***
Love the new album. Really love it. Not as immediate as the "Practical
Footware EP" but worth the effort. Did any Australian listees happen to tape
the on air thing they did a few nights ago. If so .... CAN I PLEASE HAVE A
COPY? I'm desperate and have HEAPSof good stuff to trade in return. Whilst
on the Sodastream thread, anyone know where I can get a copy of the "Enjoy
EP"? Anyone want to sell me theirs for a princely sum?

I am excited because I just tracked down copies of Coldplay's "Brothers and
Sisters" single, and also "The Blue Room EP" I'm quite surprised at how much
I like Coldplay ... they're much better than I thought they would be, having
had them described to me but not actually having heard them for along time.

***SPRING - IT'S A CROCK***
It's currently getting light about 5:20am, and I have a window in my room,
and even with two thick curtains it's like daylight at thsat time, and the
birds outside go made and I don't get any sleep after 5am. So I am ALWAYS
tired. I want mid-winter back!

Feeeling pretty uninspired, so will shut up now. Hope all is well, whereever
you are. I'm going to bed. (Yes, astute readers ... it is 10:10pm on a
SATURDAY night and I am off to bed. (Lame-o!) Mty girlfriend is on call at
the hospital and I am very very tired.)

Sleep well ......

Lawrence Mikkelsen
http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme

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From sburon at xxx.fr  Fri Sep  8 11:39:40 2000
From: sburon at xxx.fr (St=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=phane Buron)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:39:40 +0200
Subject: Sinister: 'London has let me down again' & '
	=?ISO-8859-1?B?wA==?= bout the souffle'
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> I have been 
> listening  to 'London has let me down again' quite a lot lately and a
> question about it has turned up in my mind. At the begining of the song
> there are some spoken words in French that say something like "ne bouge
> pas!". I was wondering where has this introduction been taken from. Do you
> think it could be form the Jean-Luc Godard  film 'À bout the souffle', with
> Jean-Paul Belmondo and Jean Seberg?
You're right, it's taken from A Bout de Souffle. But it's at the beginning,
when Belmondo tries to escape policemen, driving on a straight road in the
south of France. Arrested, he eventually threatens the policeman with his
gun and says "ne bouge pas ou je te brûle"... mmm... and he kills the guy...

Cheers

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From sgazzetti at xxx.com  Fri Sep  8 14:16:52 2000
From: sgazzetti at xxx.com (Stephens, JD)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 06:16:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Crossword: "Elfin"="fey"
Message-ID: <20000908131652.27952.qmail@web3001.mail.yahoo.com>

 Hello all--
I have to make this very quick, lucky for you, because I must run out the
door to catch the T to the train which will carry me merrily to NYC for
Picnic 2000 and, apparently, a certain birthday. I have a few little (very
little) reasons for posting, and the first one contains actual B&S
content:
In the October, 2000 Spin "no, really, we're indie" Magazine can be found
the results of a poll taken last month. Apparently, the glossy-advertising
vehicle asked its readers "who should Slim Shady dis next?" Readers were
given the following hilarious choices: Hanson (69%), Belle and Sebastian,
and Your Mom. The last two candidates tied with 15.5% of the votes each.
What a LAFF RIOT. 

Other item: I need to apologize to everyone, and especially to Honey, for
allowing my auto vacation reply get into the works like a rusty spanner.
I'm really sorry everyone had to hear that I was away. If it eases the
jealousy any, I had a miserable, wet, sweaty time sloggin through fog and
mist and rain and VERY BAD ODORS in the Green Mountains with 40 pounds of
inedible cured meats on my back. Again, sorry.

One last thing: again, sorry: I am about to (very briefly) revive the
Boring Political Thread. I happened to hear Jesse Ventura on National
Public Radio yesterday. (For those unfamiliar with him, he is Minnesota's
Independent Party governor, and a former professional wrestler. While
running for office, which EVERYONE said was a joke, he couldn't possible
win in a million bazillion years, etc, he used the theme from "Shaft" in a
campaign ad). On the Nader topic, Jesse defined a wasted vote, saying that
it isn't a vote cast for a candidate who "can't win," but rather a vote
that does not reflect one's conscience. If everyone always voted only for
the candidate they thought was sure to win, there would never be any
change.

Okay, I must run. I am very excited for the picnic and meeting new people
and even about the train ride with my magazines and novels and crosswords
and discs and all. I am pretty sure that the last time I rode on a train
was 1986 (!) when I had no money and had to travel all the way from NYC to
New London, Connecticut, hiding from the conductor in the WC with
Gabriella Teresa Ranelli. Note to Pauline Shivers: if you need a female
version of the currently-written-out-of-plot macaroni, look no further.

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From amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk  Fri Sep  8 18:35:40 2000
From: amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk (amy_jackson0)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:35:40 +0100
Subject: Sinister: oh i wish it could be christmas everyday.....
Message-ID: <001a01c019bb$392e7aa0$b7523c3e@tinypc>

i'll describe the view from my bedroom window.

the loch is choppy, and the gulls and cormorants bob like wee boats on the
waves.  the loch is u-shaped, with the isle of skye further away at the top
of the loch.  on the opposite side of the loch is a place called badachro,
which is visible on the sunniest and clearest of days, and is quite
idyllic.  the isle of skye is dark and looms on the horizon to the right of
my room.  on really frosty clear days i can see the cars and buses with
their lights driving along the island.  the gulls settle on my roof at half
past six every evening and squawk for at least an hour before flying back
out to sea for a while.  the main road of the village (okay, the only road
in the village) that runs in front of my house is quiet today.  some wee
kids from along the street say hello when i gaze out of my window sometimes.
it's beautiful in the summer, the beach infront of the house can be quite
nice and sandy and when i was little i used to go swimming there.  but the
view is nicest when it's winter.  i mean mid-winter, usually the week or so
before christmas, when it's snowy.  the torridon hills and beinn eighe to
the left of my view are all white with snow and the sunset turns them a
dusky shade of pink though which is amazing.  to the right, the cuillin
hills on skye are the same, though they stay white because they are in
front of the sunset. the kids from the summer go sledging down the road,
some on sledges but most on black plastic binliners which are always
better.  the cars drive along the main road slowly, with waves of dirty
slush gently pouring out from under their wheels.  the loch is calm and
still, the gulls shelter on the beach and are quiet.  the evenings are clear
and icy, and the windows freeze slightly because it is so cold.  when it
is pitch dark, my sister and myself stay up all night, wrap ourselves in
our duvets and sit by the window and watch the snowflakes fall as far
as the eye can see. the flakes fall, whirl and fly around like little white
fairies under the orange glare of the street lights.  we flip the windows
over so they're horizontal and let the flakes gather on the window, then
flip them back vertical and watch the snow fall to the bottom.  then by
morning there is a fresh layer of thick fluffy white snow, and the kids go
back outside and make snowmen and sledge again. i like it best when
it's untouched.

i'm gonna miss the winter here. i bet glasgow doesn't get sunsets like we
do.

joocy loocy's tale of the oxford pic-a-nic is my favourite sini-post in
a very very long time.  :)

i just heard "take on me" by a-ha on telly.  morten harket (or however you
spell his name) reminds me of roddy woomble from idlewild.  "take on me" is
a grate song.

when i checked my email this morning i saw i got a list crush vote.  this
made me smile.  please, whoever you are, email me, just so i know and don't
go mad with curiosity, you wouldn't want that would ya?  ;)

i'm listening to my sister's "new woman summer 2000" cd.  it's, erm,
interesting.  c**ig d*v*d is on now.  hmm....  *however* it does have "say
my name" by destiny's child which i love, even though i have major problems
with r'n b muzak, that song is grate.  as is "dreams" by gabrielle which is
one of my all time favourite songs, good memories of when i was younger and
i always wanted a cool bejewelled eyepatch like hers, even though i didn't
need one.

i bought the nicest, koolest coat the other day.  it's beige and corduroy
and goes down to my knees and i love it. i flip the collar up and i can hide
my head in it on the bus and listen to "sleep the clock around" on my
headphones and no one can see me and i can't see them so the hard kids stay
away.  it makes me look like a sweet indiepop kid. which i am anyway, but
now it's nice to look like one.  i put my belle and seb badges on it (upside
down of course) and it looks even better.

out of interest, y'know the b&S patches? well, should i sew that on upside
down, like a bigger version of the sinister badge thing?  i want to put it
on my bag that i'll use in glasgow, though i don't actually have one
yet..... anyone know where i can get a corduroy rucksack asap?!

big brother is getting interesting now.  i want anna to win.  or darren.  or
craig.  just not mel cos she's a wee tart and she's a cow and i have massive
problems with her.  grr!  and she snogged tom!  gorgeous tom!!  double
grr!!!  so all of you phone up and vote her to be evicted cos the look on
her face if her name was announced would be tremendous!! and think how much
the crowd would boo!  and how davina mccall would slag her off, only mel is
too thick so she wouldn't notice!!!  ~evil laugh~

this is too long.

hugs,
amy xoxox






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From sweetie_something at xxx.com  Fri Sep  8 19:05:52 2000
From: sweetie_something at xxx.com (sweetie something)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:05:52 GMT
Subject: Sinister: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <F125HQHh2wLCVYl4maE0000b93b@hotmail.com>

sinister

thought=> i wonder if those exclamation marks made this post look any more 
important, hmm, ponder ponder ponder...

anyhoo
i is back  :)
not that i was ever away
but my access is somewhat (pretty much totally) restricted
in fact the last time i was on was my last post
and oh how i have missed u all

lots has happened
but due to lack of time
i can only fit a few stuff
1stly
if ne1 emailed me b4 27th july ull have 2 resend me it cuz hotmail have 
deleted them
2ndly
i lost my mob
so ne1 that had my no and wishes to contact me
u can now do so @
07940 316 821
3rdly
i have a list crush vote
WOOHOOOO!!!!!!!
whowassit??
eh, eh, eh?????
;)

and finally the important news
i am no longer single!
+
im in love
and it is the most wonderful feeling ever
when he said those 3 words to me
i had to say 'what' to make sure he really said it
i am so happy!!!!
:)
however
on monday my happiness will die a painful death
for he leaves for the army
7.30am monday morning
it will b 7 solid wks b4 i see him again
its so fucking unfair
but i will wait till monday
b4 i let it hit home
i shall live for the moment
and enjoy my time with him
coz its gonna hurt like hell when hes gone
christ- i miss him enough if i dont see him for 1 day!
anyway

ill leave on a better note
i got 2 rats for my birthday (even tho its not 4 another 18 days)
and they r luverly
thats all

your friend always
sweetie
xox
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From Walkn10 at xxx.com  Fri Sep  8 19:25:04 2000
From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:25:04 EDT
Subject: Sinister: The diamond necklace played the pawn, hand in hand some drummed along...
Message-ID: <26.a78efb7.26ea8900@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/7/00 7:38:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Nick.Dastoor at guardian.co.uk writes:

<< Poor old Brian went mad eventually, trying to come up with a
 punchline to some fantastically elaborate gag involving vegetables and Red
 Indians that would completely rewrite the book of comedy >>

Is this a reference to the legendary "Smile" album?  The greatest album never 
made? (in my estimation) If it is, Nick has won my undying adulation and is 
the reciepient of my Wookie "life debt" as it were.  There just isn't enough 
talk about Smile these days.  You would think a 16 track concept album 
devoted to capturing Americana and The Elements on the same slab on vinyl 
would at least merit an occasional namecheck.  Perhaps not.  Speaking of 
monstrous concepts, I would have thought with the all WHO fans who live 
around here SOMEONE at sometime would have brought up "Lifehouse" by now, but 
that too goes unmentioned.  Our heroes gave their sanities to make albums 
that they would eventually junk, the least we can do is pretend we've heard 
them.
Brian Wilson really did have some fucked up jokes though.  He would always 
tell the really corny, proto-typical Beach Boy ones to the studio muscians 
when they were cutting a record (sample: "I really dig my new shoes 
man...they've got a lot of "sole".  [silence] Now let's try this tambourine 
bit again...")  The Beatles obviously had the brains and wit of the Pan 
Atlantic rivalry but Brian had the innocence, charm and mental instability, 
all of which adds up to a much more interesting story.  I'm sorry, I love the 
Beatles as much as the next guy but I don't think "Motherless teen duo goes 
on to become greatest songwriting team in history" compares very well with 
"Partially-deaf, overweight, paranoid-schizophrenic overcomes thieving father 
and sadistic cousin to write, arrange, produce and market several of the 
greatest albums of all-time."  Beatles: rich, arrogant, 
self-aggrandizing...Brian Wilson: rich, arrogant, doesn't know where the hell 
he is.
I like Ringo very much, but then again I'm a drummer so maybe thats why.  He 
wasn't a very technical player (Paul was rumored to be light years better) 
but his stuff just fits so well and ended up being such a Beatle trademark 
that anyone who says the Beatles were soiled in any way, shape or form by his 
presence is not a very good listener.  How about She Said, She Said?  A Day 
In The Life?  Come Together?  Long, Long, Long?  I rest my case.
I'm addicted to Fantasy (American) Football...

Steve C.


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From FearofMops at xxx.com  Fri Sep  8 19:27:26 2000
From: FearofMops at xxx.com (FearofMops at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:27:26 EDT
Subject: Sinister: We don't need to show you no stinkin' subject line...
Message-ID: <71.66ba9e4.26ea8995@aol.com>

hello Sinister Massive....or something like that.
i'm popping up out of my whole. why..i can't exactly say. probably something to do with the fact that i've let over 100 list messages build up in my inbox and have  
decided to use this 3 hour break between classes to read each and every one of them. so now i feel i have something to say. but don't be fooled...i really don't.
it's just that seeing so many things on which to comment, ralph nader, beatles, autumn (or absence thereof), 'isn't anything' (which is top notch), decadent hungarian aristocrats, jesse ventura, picnics, i feel i should add my voice to the throng. of course by now most of these are dead horses or are soooo last week. i will say that i'm quite ready for dead grass, gray skies, and cool autumn breezes. i'll probably get none of these. the closest it's come to cool weather here is mid-90's temperatures, which actually does feel cool after reaching 111 degrees.
school is in full swing and after much procrastination i've finally returned. i missed the chance to get a degree in the 20th century, but if all goes as planned(which it never does) i'll be a college graduate sometime before the year 3000. someone mentioned NPR(national public radio for non-amurricans)...i think it's grate...i listen to it every day during my commute.
one odd thing about school...almost every day someone tells me "nice shirt"...that's all they say, it's a different person every time too. so far i've received compliments on william burroughs, joy division, the clash, the flaming lips, and the velvet underground. most of the time it's a long haired guy w/ sunglasses and that laid-back-to-cool-for-school attitude. it makes me wonder if there's some sort of organization meeting secretly, deciding to compliment people's t-shirts. perhaps they think i'm one of them and it's some sort of code. of course my hair is short, i don't wear sunglasses, and i'm anything but cool. hmmmmmmm...well i've bored enough people. actually i'm kidding myself believing that anyone's made it this far in the post. hmmm...still 40 minutes before class..perhaps i could brave the heat and have my own one person sinister/b&s picnic. ciao.




p.s. appy polly loggies to Miss Little Laura Llew Hoo who is more than 2...i swear i'll contact you soon. life's been in the way of emails and computers lately, but i haven't forgotten.
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 +-+       "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper        +-+
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From acook at xxx.uk  Fri Sep  8 20:03:38 2000
From: acook at xxx.uk (Alasdair Cook MC1996)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 20:03:38 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Songs that make you go silent, sounds so sour and sweet, you could be 
 boring...
Message-ID: <39B9380A.4132755C@cs.strath.ac.uk>

I am about to be.

Bloody hell, Carsmile's talked to Tom Paulin! On the list of brilliant
people to talk to, including Woody allen, Mark Cousins, Robert Forster,
Flowella Benjamin et al, he would have to be pretty high up there. As
opposed to talking to members of Tompaulin, which anyone can do and
isn't very exciting really. Well, only a bit.

And someone's grandpa was in a B&S video? Blimey, the things you find
out...

Knightowl:
> There's a world of difference
> between how a band like Oasis functions and a bunch of lads slogging it out
> in a pub somewhere. Where on the scale B&S are at this point I have no idea,
> but I think it likely Stuart rules the roost.

Hmmm. Possibly, but it seems to me that there are a few strong
personalities and very good musicians in B&S who each have a lot to
contribute, and do so. Stuart seems like the kind of guy who's not going
to bully and impose his will on others as well. And hey, they're all
mates, and they all get equal money don't they? It's only a game show,
la la la...

David:
> Is it Hyndland Church Hall that Stuart M lived and the band rehearsed? I saw
> letters about the aforementioned building in the Glasgow Herald the other
> day although no mention of the band.

Yes, it was a meeting of about 50 residents and church-goers who were
trying to decide what to do about raising money for the church I think,
because otherwise it'll have to be sold or demolished or whatever. But
why should B&S be mentioned? The chances of someone getting up in the
middle of the meeting and saying "we can't demolish this church, Belle
and Sebastian used to play here!" are somewhat slim.

Kendra:
> anyone else see *wonderland* and leave feeling like all their nerve
> endings were exposed?

I refer to Papercuts #4, Mr N.Dastoor. It will break your heart.
Incidentally, I managed to pick up the rather wonderful Michael Nyman
soundtrack for 3 quid the other week. Lovely.

Peter:
> I'm thinking of organising a Maryhill
> Dole Office Reunion All-Nighter.

Fantastic! I went to the Maryhill dole office a few times to try and
find a shite job, but they didn't have any. They've re-done the pub
across the road as well, but I think I'd still be too scared to go in.
We could all walk to Calumn Shearer's house instead and sing folk songs
while his dad bangs a drum.

I like the idea of someone throwing a shoe at Lloyd Cole as well. Did he
bring an extra shoe with him, or did he have to walk home with one shoe
on? All lop-sided like a haggis. I once walked home from primary school
still wearing my sannies after gym, and didn't realise until I was
halfway to my house. Crazy days.

A woman who writes for Scotland on Sunday newpaper is going out with
Lawrence Donegan (the Commotions bassist), whom she annoying refers to
constantly as 'The Boyfriend'. Apparently they went to see Lloyd play
and he said that all bass players soak their hands in pish to toughen
the skin. Do any bass players out there use this technique? Does it work
with someone else's pish or does it have to be your own?

Finally, The Pinefox (he is the definitive, for as someone more
intelligent than me remarked, "do we know of any others?"):

> >>it is what it is.
> 
> That clause is below your usual standard, Cook. I mean, can you tell me 
> about anything that is not what it is?

I hate English teachers.

> "The Smiths are a good band for singles. I don´t think that they did a good 
> complete album, but they convinced their fans that they were unforgettable. 
> And they´re not better than the Go-Betweens or Belle and Sebastian".
> 
> Isn´t it cute ?????
> >>>
> 
> No, it's bollox. The last sentence is an outrage. You can be the biggest 
> Go-Betweens fan in the world - and I am, as you know - and still think it's 
> the most flagrant, flatulently implausible bit of self-promotion you've seen 
> since Worksop, pulling themselves up by their bootstraps, sneaked into 
> Division 3 (South. Or North. One or the other).
> 

Hmmm. The statement is, in my opinion, correct. However that's not to
condone it. It shouldn't have been made, there's a fine line between
confidence and arrogance. Still, the phrase "not better" could simply
mean "as good as", or "better" could be in the sense of "more worthy"
although it doesn't seem that way. I'm confusing myself now. I'll stop.

Altogether.

Alasdair xx

PS Deacon Blue's finest moment was undoubtedly the single "I was right
and you were wrong" with the piano version of "Wages Day" on the b-side.
Superb.
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From CaMo81 at xxx.com  Fri Sep  8 21:04:25 2000
From: CaMo81 at xxx.com (CaMo81 at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:04:25 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Who should Slim Shady dis next?
Message-ID: <ea.a812346.26eaa049@aol.com>

Who should Slim Shady dis next?  Answer: Nobody. If he ever even TOUCHES B&S 
I will reenact the torture scene from "Reservoir Dogs" (Squee anyone?) on 
him. Then, after he has suffered extremely, I will rip his still beating 
heart out and show it to him. Then put him through the wood chipper, feed him 
to the fish and grind his bones to make my bread. Fe Fi Fo Fum I smell the 
decaying flesh of a decomposing white rapper. 
    I try to respect all music, but I really can't stand rap. I mean, what's 
so enticing about music that is only about sex, violence, egoism, treating 
women like objects and basically glorifying everything wrong with society. I 
was fishing the other day and a car pulled up with the hatchback open and the 
bass pumping out of it. The "lyrics" i heard were "Girls wanna F--- me 
everyday." And just today I heard a kid "singing" "All I wanna do is F---" I 
mean, come on get a life. 

    Ehh I guess I'm a little bitter with school having started and all, it 
just doesn't seem like I get any time to myself anymore.  I have to sacrifice 
sleep time just to write in my journal/notebook which I have entitled 
"Derek's Twee Book of Nothingness. (Or everythingness, depending on one's 
point of view.)"  Its twee green and I adore it. 
    I found another twee thing from my past yesterday. A little green frog 
clip thing that goes on you shirt and looks like it's crawling on you. It 
goes great with my sweater.  Does anyone think I overuse the word "twee"? I 
think I do but it's the greatest word in the English language.

    What's up with pinning B&S things on upside down?  I would like to order 
the set of 3 badges but they are always sold out.  I can never win.
Bye for now. 

                                                            Derek 
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 +-+       "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named       +-+
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From brier at xxx.com  Fri Sep  8 21:48:11 2000
From: brier at xxx.com (Brier Random)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:48:11 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Re: Who should Slim Shady dis next?
Message-ID: <019201c019d6$1cf3a840$729ef1d1@Brier.sb.net>

>    I try to respect all music, but I really can't stand rap. I mean,
what's
>so enticing about music that is only about sex, violence, egoism, treating
>women like objects and basically glorifying everything wrong with society.

Well, you point to Reservoir Dogs in your first paragraph, which glorifies
at least three of those factors.  But I know what you mean.

-----Original Message-----
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To: sinister at missprint.org <sinister at missprint.org>
Date: Friday, September 08, 2000 1:10 PM
Subject: Sinister: Who should Slim Shady dis next?


>Who should Slim Shady dis next?  Answer: Nobody. If he ever even TOUCHES
B&S
>I will reenact the torture scene from "Reservoir Dogs" (Squee anyone?) on
>him. Then, after he has suffered extremely, I will rip his still beating
>heart out and show it to him. Then put him through the wood chipper, feed
him
>to the fish and grind his bones to make my bread. Fe Fi Fo Fum I smell the
>decaying flesh of a decomposing white rapper.
>    I try to respect all music, but I really can't stand rap. I mean,
what's
>so enticing about music that is only about sex, violence, egoism, treating
>women like objects and basically glorifying everything wrong with society.
I
>was fishing the other day and a car pulled up with the hatchback open and
the
>bass pumping out of it. The "lyrics" i heard were "Girls wanna F--- me
>everyday." And just today I heard a kid "singing" "All I wanna do is F---"
I
>mean, come on get a life.
>
>    Ehh I guess I'm a little bitter with school having started and all, it
>just doesn't seem like I get any time to myself anymore.  I have to
sacrifice
>sleep time just to write in my journal/notebook which I have entitled
>"Derek's Twee Book of Nothingness. (Or everythingness, depending on one's
>point of view.)"  Its twee green and I adore it.
>    I found another twee thing from my past yesterday. A little green frog
>clip thing that goes on you shirt and looks like it's crawling on you. It
>goes great with my sweater.  Does anyone think I overuse the word "twee"? I
>think I do but it's the greatest word in the English language.
>
>    What's up with pinning B&S things on upside down?  I would like to
order
>the set of 3 badges but they are always sold out.  I can never win.
>Bye for now.
>
>                                                            Derek
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 +-+  "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list"  +-+
 +-+       "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper        +-+
 +-+   "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000   +-+
 +-+       "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named       +-+
 +-+           Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000           +-+
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From carmellie at xxx.com  Fri Sep  8 22:41:13 2000
From: carmellie at xxx.com (Carmel Petra Wright)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:41:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: introduction for real this time
Message-ID: <20000908214113.29339.qmail@web2005.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,
 I'm kinda dumb and sent my first official post to the
wrong address!  So, here's what I said...I'll try not to
be so slow in the future...
Hi all, 
>  I just wanted to introduce myself now that I'm no 
longer
> in the "nursery".  I'm Carmel from Portland, OR.  Belle
> and Sebastian is definitely in my top 5 of all time 
bands
> (in fact my kitten's name is Belle).  I also love 
Elliott
> Smith and Quasi (local kids).  And, I was interested in
> that Spanish B&S list, but couldn't find it--where do I
> go?  Thanks for letting me have a voice! 
> 
> Carmel

=====
"i can wait 
    i can sit wondering what in the world you think about
          i don't think i'm ever gonna figure it out"
                              --Elliott Smith
(Visit the Granada website!!)
http://www.ups.edu/community/mellon/velez/granada/home.htm

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From myradio at xxx.net  Fri Sep  8 22:36:39 2000
From: myradio at xxx.net (Courtney Knopf)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:36:39 -0700
Subject: Sinister: you can't stop your winking at the boys at the bar
Message-ID: <39B95BE2.F18DB980@pacbell.net>

well i am ever so surprised at the handful of So Cal sinisterines who
are slowly coming out of the woodwork to admit interest in the idea of a
picnic! though i still have yet to hear from teh ghost of andy
corradino. maybe he finally chwed free from that bear trap he was stuck
in and can now only type with his nose. but either way, i'm figuring
sometime near the end of this month or early october would be best. i
will suss it out.

I had a dream last night that Trousers was the winner on 'Survivor,' but
instead of getting a million dollars, CBS only gave him a Sony
Playstation. I can only venture that i should stop eating so many Cool
Ranch Doritos before i go to sleep to avoid these bizarre dreams. don't
blame my subconscious, blame the heartburn!

xx
courtney

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From declan63 at xxx.com  Fri Sep  8 23:26:06 2000
From: declan63 at xxx.com (jay)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:26:06 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Who should Slim Shady dis next?
References: <ea.a812346.26eaa049@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001101c019e3$c7f0ede0$2a101218@athen1.ga.home.com>


----- Original Message -----
From: <CaMo81 at xxx.com>
To: <sinister at missprint.org>
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 4:04 PM
Subject: Sinister: Who should Slim Shady dis next?



>     I try to respect all music, but I really can't stand rap. I mean, what's
> so enticing about music that is only about sex, violence, egoism, treating
> women like objects and basically glorifying everything wrong with society. I
> was fishing the other day and a car pulled up with the hatchback open and the
> bass pumping out of it. The "lyrics" i heard were "Girls wanna F--- me
> everyday." And just today I heard a kid "singing" "All I wanna do is F---" I
> mean, come on get a life.


your point of view is admirable, but you're being rather shortsighted.  it's not only about those things.  that's like saying
aerosmith or korn is all that rock is about, and therefore so are belle and sebastian and pavement--all socialists are josef stalin
and all feminists are valerie solanis.  you couldn't fit, say, public enemy, or the beastie boys, or de la soul into that
definition.  it's fine if you just don't like the musical form, that's simply a matter of taste, but don't take the loudest, most
obnoxious message as the only one and discount everything else.  that's a mistake in any situation, and you could miss out.

jay, who's really not this pedantic   :)

"you're somebody's girlfriend too"


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From Simiansurvival at xxx.com  Sat Sep  9 04:26:59 2000
From: Simiansurvival at xxx.com (Simiansurvival at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:26:59 EDT
Subject: Sinister: jacko is wacko
Message-ID: <ea.a7d947a.26eb0803@aol.com>

hello peoples

i bought "the genius of bertrand burgalat" today...it is genius indeed. 
highest recommendation. i've also been playing with that sonic foundry Acid 
program, pretending to be on Warp Records. it's like tetris, fun and 
addicting.

someone said something about whether or not B&S would sound different w/ 
session musicians...i do believe the Dog On Wheels EP was recorded with only 
Stu's M & D and then some session-type music program students so i guess we 
have an answer to that, eh? doesn't sound too bad- it would really blow if 
the band broke up but i guess stu m has shown that he can still cut the 
song-flavored mustard with anyone...or is it the song-smelling cheese?

i saw a copy of the "Get Carter" soundtrack on vinyl for $20 today while i 
was out getting the Bertrand CD. does anyone know if the soundtrack is worth 
$20? its brand new, wrapped and all, and i do love the get carter theme 
(stereolab's version is quite spiffy). i usually dig the old soundtracks and 
whatnot, but i'm hesitant to pay $20. can anyone help me?

with all of the talk about ringo... would we think differently of him if he 
were sampled ad infitiumby hip/trip/slop hoppers a la clyde stubblefield and 
jabo starks (old james brown drummers for those who don't know...probably THE 
most sampled drummers in rap/hip hop music.) thanks to michael jackson, the 
bastard, we'll never know. (for those who don't know what i'm talking about, 
michael jackson actually bought the publishing rights to nearly all of the 
beatles back catalogue, thereby giving samplers and beat junkies a righteous 
"fuck off". one wonders why he never sampled the fucking songs himself....i 
mean what the fuck does one do with beatles' publishing rights? frame them 
and put them on your wall? christ, jacko could even build a "beatles back 
catalogue" theme park... do SOMETHING with the fucking songs. oh wait, he 
sold "revolution" to nike and made a shitload of money off of it. that's one 
song. i guess that means no "revolution rollercoaster". i guess that's what 
you expect from someone who thinks he looks like edgar allen poe. i thought 
wackos were supposed to made exciting music, but mr j has been less and less 
interesting musically in recent years, post-nose-disintegration. because, 
even though his skin got lighter around the "bad" era, he still had a nose. 
he even did "moonwalker". what happened after that? his nose fell off and he 
broke a bunch of car windows on tv after hanging out with maculay culkin for 
too long a period of time. (even maculay culkin knew Jacko wasn't cool 
anymore- the next music vide he appeared in was from sonic youth, and it was 
directed by harmony korine. maybe HE should have told jacko to do something 
with the beatles back catalogue.) christ, jacko probably doesn't even like 
chimps anymore, now that he has a kid to put diapers on instead. 

my "long ridiculous post" alarm is sounding so i guess i should stop. the 
thing is, michael jackson is telling me "don't stop till you get enough"... 
but i think we've had enough. i'm going to put thriller on the turntable. 

until next time...

gracias, aloha, moonwalks and white gloves (i mean glove),
mike j
simiansurvival at aol.com 

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From jules at xxx.cx  Sat Sep  9 16:57:18 2000
From: jules at xxx.cx (Julie)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 11:57:18 -0400
Subject: Sinister: PICNIC TODAY NEW YORK CAPITAL LETTERS
Message-ID: <002a01c01a76$a1e86900$4e1ba5d8@udrtg.nyu.edu>

When I was awoken this morning by Brian Winters on the telephone he said
"You should post again and remind people about the picnic...and write in all
capital letters."  PLEASE COME TO THE SINISTER PICNIC IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH
FUN!!!!
I wish I could draw you all a picture of the picnic spot because I'm
apparently not very good with directions, but I swear if you just go to the
southeast corner of the great lawn you'll be able to see us and hear us.  We
are pretty and loud.  Come play!

xoxo
Julie

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From NOGOODNIK at xxx.net  Sat Sep  9 18:55:37 2000
From: NOGOODNIK at xxx.net (christa)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:55:37 -0400
Subject: Sinister: wait a minute, Mr. Postman
Message-ID: <000701c01a87$3271cd80$a676fc3f@e44e9>

i had a lovely experience today, and i wanted to share with you all.  i
haven't posted here in like 5 months, but this brightened my day
significantly, and i hope it will brighten yours as well.

i was sitting at my computer, finishing up some email and listening to IYFS.
the time was apporoximately 1pm.  i was eagerly anticpating the arrival of
some items that i had ordered from ebay in the mail.  there was a knock on
the door, and i answered... it was the postal carrier lady.  she handed me
my much-ballyhooed package and with a very large smile said to me:
"i have been delivering items in the building for about 15 minutes, and i've
been listening to the music you're playing... can you PLEASE tell me what
this is?"
i replied "its a band called Belle & Sebastian!"
she asked me to write it down and i complied, while "judy and the dream of
horses" was blasting out of the speakers.  she kept smiling and nodding her
head to the music and said to me as she was leaving:
"this is the nicest thing i've heard in so long, thank you so much.  thank
you!"
it sounded like she hadn't heard music that made her feel joy in about 15
years.  i almost started crying.  she asked where she could get it, and i
told her almost any record store, or on amazon.com, and she said she would
buy it today!  i've had a grin on my face ever since.

it was such a nice interaction... i've always felt that B&S could be
appreciated by so many more people than are exposed to them.  this is
proof... and i want you all to know, including the band, that there is a
45-year old lady who delivers mail in Takoma Park, Maryland, USA, who is
happier today because of your words and music.

feel some joy today.
-christa

Darkness with eyes open.
Light with eyes open.
Light with eyes shut.
The dial of life.
                 -Milan Kundera

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From kpc98c at xxx.UK  Sat Sep  9 19:11:37 2000
From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu)
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 19:11:37 +0100
Subject: Sinister: I.T. would have been a brilliant career :-(
Message-ID: <200009091809.TAA01150@missprint.org>

Hello,

Grrr, had a strange couple of days...

Thursday was the penultimate day of work, so of course we have a "leaving 
party", and being a big posh bank thing of course it'd have to be on a 
big boat thing crusing up and down the thames!!  Mad, I felt all of a 
sudden like some millionaire rich pastard.

Of course later that night everyone else have to be snogging to make me 
feel bad. grrr.

Then the next day, had a "exit meeting" to discuss whether they will offer 
me a job next year, and apparently I've failed to meet like 3 out of 6 of 
their criteria of competency.. and proceeded for 15 minutes explaining how 
I was a pile of crap.  I took it rather well actually cos I was expecting 
that anyway.. but then I realised that almost everyone else has been given 
a lucurative job offer.. grrrrr.

Then today I was eating my gorgeous Chicken Kebab at the tube station, a 
wasp has decided that it'd hijack it and was pucking munching at my kebab 
and I couldn't eat it after that GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Ha but I didn't let the wasp go anywhere near my coke so I hope the 
extra hot chilli sauce has now killed it, or at least given it diarrhoea...

And I just went bowling and I have improved my average score so I'm 
slightly happier now, still grrr but not with so many r's. A few cans 
of Red Bull should bring me back to my usual jolly self.... I hope.

And of course moving back to Milton Keynes tomorrow will REALLY cheer 
me up.. grr... hmm and thanks again all you sinistees I've met in London 
for being so lovely!

Unwaspified Chicken Kebabs and Red Bulls...
Ken
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But her paintings are a sham, and they're going for a grand 
When the dealers come to view, do they ever see the real you?
- Belle & Sebastian

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From pinefox at xxx.com  Sat Sep  9 22:15:22 2000
From: pinefox at xxx.com (P F)
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 21:15:22 GMT
Subject: Sinister: The sweetest things I can
Message-ID: <LAW-F116x4H1euRRiMZ000036ce@hotmail.com>


I think I must have drifted off. Let me start at the end.

Ally96 said:


>>>Deacon Blue's finest moment was undoubtedly the single "I was right
and you were wrong" with the piano version of "Wages Day" on the b-side.
Superb.

Which is really interesting. I often find myself misquoting the title of 'I 
Was Right And You Were Wrong'. I reckon A96 is dead on and it's a pretty 
decent 45 (and I'd play you old 45s), though truth be told I've not heard it 
in donkeys. In 1994 (?) DB were on R1 and were asked what the song was 
about, and Ricky Ross said, 'It's about... me being right and you being 
wrong'. That's almost as witty as his great line about Lorraine and the 
living room. If you've not heard that one, ask A96 about it. It's the way he 
spells 'em.

I didn't know about that piano version. Or did I? I'm pretty sure I've heard 
it - maybe during the same radio session. Anyway, I'm glad *someone* 
remembers that record.


Arantxa Sanchez vicariously said interesting things about Lloyd Cole, and I 
would like one of you cyberkids to tell us more about the stuff she was so 
interestingly on about.


People said things about the Beatles, almost as though they were round Nick 
Dastoor's house and trying to impress him. It won't work, he reads Brecht's 
poetry in his spare time; Lennon In His Own Write no longer gives him the 
stimuli he needs.

About the Beatles, though: Ringo - OK - no problem - distinctive, in his 
way. John vs Paul - I prefer the latter, but think the whole 'problematic' 
(as structuralist analysts of the Western genre used to say, nigh on 30 
years ago) kind of flawed and unnecessary. Both were talented; one, I 
suppose, still is. Preferences for one or the other are fine and 
understandable, but needn't be expressed as intemperately as my outburst vs 
E.M. Forster, or was it Sally MacLennane?, was. That was so vile in diction, 
tone and lack of manners, it was almost as offensive as - as - oh, as 
Forster's appalling and laughable statement itself.


re. the B&S aspect of the question. Again, something like a dialetical 
approach, or just a feebly liberal 'open mind', may tell us that on the one 
hand, yes,

a) great songs are quite often written by lone gunmen and women, working in 
solitude on grassy knolls: and the songs might, in the putative abstract, be 
as great even if the relevant band never existed -in other words, 
suspicious-looking individualistic models of history can be OK as far as 
this particular puff-pastry of a genre ("the pop song") is concerned (but I 
still don't know what 'puff pastry' is);

while at the same time

b) once you give a song to the rest of the band, it won't come out the same: 
and the unpredictable (or even, eventually, predictable) particularities of 
exactly what they do with it are part of the point of being in a band, 
rather than going nowhere, whether fast or slowly, on your own. In fact, you 
can kid yourself about the great songs you've written all the way up the 
Holloway Road and back, but they may never really achieve their potential, 
or - as Nietzsche and Juliana Hatfield would say - become what they are, 
until someone else has rescued them from your abuse (that no doubt thinks 
it's care) and made them worth listening to at last.

(The *real* point of being in a band, of course, is to avoid having to do 
your own cooking.)


And

c) Of course there are such things are bone fide, full-fledged co-writes 
too. I can think of some fantastic pop records (Glo-Worm's?) whose writing 
really was, if I'm not mistaken, split bang down the middle.



The Lad Pennington talked about Autumn too (II). That reminds me, I 
misquoted that autumnal song the other day. It actually goes

"
All the colo[u]rs change
[*]He[*] will see
"
.

I was interested to see that the lad P listens to 'Souvlaki' for autumn: 
that's enterprising, in my book ('I Know The Seasons Change: The Politics of 
Souvlaki'; Ithaca: Cornell UP, forthcoming 2001).

He also said:

>>>On a positive note, I found a nice MP3 of Rhoda on Napster.

Who is Rhoda
Who is Napster (and)
How does he feel about it
and
What is 'MP3'?

And even, well, yes, why not, for no-one can have asked this rhetorical 
question for at least a fortnight,

Has the world changed or have I changed?



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From jasonandreas at xxx.net  Sat Sep  9 22:47:07 2000
From: jasonandreas at xxx.net (Jason Andreas)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:47:07 +0100
Subject: Sinister: It may be just rock and roll, but I live it anyway...
Message-ID: <001f01c01aa7$8099d640$d48d183e@default>

Hi twee folk..

That was a semi-deliberate typo in the subject, by the way ;)

SITTING DOWN AT A GIG IS UNNATURAL!!!

Sorry, just felt the need to get that off my chest. Went to see Lou Reed the
other night, unfortunately the Velvet Underground weren't with him, but I
suppose that's only to be expected. Anyway, it was at the Glasgow Royal
Concert Hall, an all-seater venue. Now, when I went to see Beck, that was
all-seater too, but everyone stood up anyway (except for some freaks in the
*front* row, but that's another story...) But at Lou Reed, whenever I stood
up, the folk behind me ordered me to sit down! It just felt weird, almost
unatmospehric... Still, I managed to remain standing for the whole of Sweet
Jane. <grin> The gig was still hugely enjoyable, however, and I'd love to
see a Greatest Hits tour sooner or later...

My next crusty gig is Bob Dylan, then The Who. I should have been born
20-odd years earlier...

RADIOHEAD SOON!!!! (sorry, excitable)
The amount of people I'm accompanying to this gig has dropped dramatically
for various reasons, none of which I want to go into, but it should still be
GRATE!

Getting worried about a lot of people at the moment, so many things going
wrong in so many people's lives. *sigh* It's that time of year again...

I see young Sweetie has found love. Good on you, kid, make sure you grab it
with both hands, cos it *is* worth the effort, despite what I cynically used
to say <grin> Seven months isn't as long as it sounds - don't you ever think
"my god, the year's flown past"? well it'll be like that :)

Young Amy Jackson's leaving the beautiful sunsets and open spaces (more
spaces than anything, apparently) of the highlands for Glasgow. Doubtless
she'll want to go back within a month - but Glasgow's like a road accident,
you tend to stick around to see what'll happen next... See you in a
fortnight, kiddo.

My cuddly ET is doing really well <grin> He really suits the Tartan "jock"
hat (as worn by Scotland fans worldwide) and shades... Anyone who wants a
picture of him need but to ask...

You ever have a really weird day where nothing goes wrong, but everything
feels like it's about to? That's my existance at the moment, so nyah nyah!!!

I wish Godspeed You Black Emperor! were playing Glasgow as well as English
cities :( Same goes for so many bands in the past few years that I'd have
loved to have gone to see. Why do they either just play one gig in the UK -
London, or announce a 'UK Tour' than only plays English venues? Grr!!
Example of the one gig in the UK thing is Rage Against The Machine. And for
the second point, they played Reading and Leeds, but not the sister festival
to thetwo in Glasgow :(

GRRRR! <grin>

Well I've babbled enough here.... G'night

--Jason Andreas
Guardian of the Obvious

It is said, that when He saw a weed trying to
grow between two rocks, that he moved one
of the rocks. Later, when He saw that the weed
was flourishing, he placed the rock back on top.
He explained to us; 'That was its fate.'

ICQ: 45821217  AIM: RadioJase

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From CaMo81 at xxx.com  Sun Sep 10 00:19:57 2000
From: CaMo81 at xxx.com (CaMo81 at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 19:19:57 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Re: Eminem Post
Message-ID: <98.9eaaeed.26ec1f9d@aol.com>


>your point of view is admirable, but you're being rather shortsighted. 
>it's 
>not only about those things. that's like saying
>aerosmith or korn is all that rock is about, and therefore so are belle 
>and 
>sebastian and pavement--all socialists are josef stalin
>and all feminists are valerie solanis. you couldn't fit, say, public 
>enemy, or 
>the beastie boys, or de la soul into that
>definition. it's fine if you just don't like the musical form, that's 
>simply a 
>matter of taste, but don't take the loudest, most
>obnoxious message as the only one and discount everything else. that's a 
>mistake in any situation, and you could miss out.

O.K.  It's apparent that I was quite misunderstood when I harshly criticized 
rap in my last post.  First of all, I wasn't talking about all rap, just what 
seems popular at the moment. I am a fan of the beastie boys and Run D.M.C. 
Rap that didn't take itself so seriously.  

> but don't take the loudest, most
>obnoxious message as the only one and discount everything else

Maybe I take the loudest and most obnoxious message because thats the only 
one I hear. Whenever I hear rap on the radio, It's always about the same 
things that I mentioned before.

>Well, you point to Reservoir Dogs in your first paragraph, which 
>glorifies
>at least three of those factors. But I know what you mean.

Resevoir Dogs doesn't glorify anything. It's a story, not some guy saying "I 
got da Muthaf----- gat for niggas don't know how ta act" Thats a direct quote 
from a Nas song. And, in the movie everyone dies anyway. (sorry to ruin it) 
The reference to Resevoir Dogs was a joke inspired by a comic book (Squee!) 

>that's like saying
>aerosmith or korn is all that rock is about

Did Thom Yorke do 10 years for armed robbery? Does Stu M. have multiple rape 
counts on his record?  Do I have to worry about Billy Corgan shooting Eddie 
Vedder? (I know not all rappers are criminals)

Just one thing to remember before I'm crucified and no one likes me anymore, 
these are the opinions of a boy surrounded by white suburbanites that think 
they live in the ghetto.

                                                                   About to 
be burned at the stake,
                                                                   Derek

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From declan63 at xxx.com  Sun Sep 10 04:37:29 2000
From: declan63 at xxx.com (jay)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:37:29 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Re: Eminem Post
References: <98.9eaaeed.26ec1f9d@aol.com>
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 7:19 PM
Subject: Sinister: Re: Eminem Post


> Just one thing to remember before I'm crucified and no one likes me anymore,
> these are the opinions of a boy surrounded by white suburbanites that think
> they live in the ghetto.
>
>                                                                    About to
> be burned at the stake,
>                                                                    Derek

yes, i know those people, and you're probably right in the thick of the worst stuff that's popular right now.  i see what you're
saying.

it's not even the message that bothers me, but that so much of current popular hip hop just sounds so bland.

why, in my day it was all different.  back then.............

jay, who actually *is* kind of fogeyish on this list.  how weird is *that*?  :)

"i believe in our love so much i'll write a song about us breaking up"


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From porterww at xxx.edu  Sun Sep 10 07:04:49 2000
From: porterww at xxx.edu (Will Porter)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:04:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sinister: Happy birthday to you, 
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009100058280.5234-100000@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu>

Happy birthday to you, 
happy birthday dear Juuuuuuuulie
happy birthday to you!!!

Everyone, it's Julie's birthday (you DO know Julie, don't you?).  Be nice
to her and buy her things.  

will

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From gogron at xxx.uk  Sun Sep 10 10:17:31 2000
From: gogron at xxx.uk (gogron)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:17:31 +0100
Subject: Sinister: before breakfast
Message-ID: <39BB51AB.EA833FF@netscapeonline.co.uk>

Dear Sinister People,

It is Sunday morning and I've been reading posts. As usual, The Pinefox
is eloquent, on the concurrence of speculations by Juliana Hatfield and
Nietzsche on the subject of pop-band dynamics, amongst other things: I
can't wait for the book (Cornell, forthcoming... in preparation?)

I trust the New York Picnic was a glittering occassion and wish Miss
Julie a happy birthday today.

People are coming to Glasgow, or live there...wayhey! This startling
fact has been shy to disturb my neurones (I've been doing the gamut of
internet personality tests, all of which seem to point to a
hyper-creative but hoplessley unobservant character). So, the autumn
indoor picnic season fast approaching, it would be kind of nice for some
of us Scottish people to meet up. Even if I'm too obnoxious for comfort
I'm sure there are plenty of you out there who would, given the
opportunity, enjoy one another's company, so send me an email if you're
interested and we can arrange a time and a place.

I am surrounded with cheapish musical equipment in the hope that, by
dint of osmotic magick or somesuch, a tune of my own devising will come
forth of the speakers. So far I have a few lyrics and one of those minor
chord progressions I'm fond of, but no song as such. The brutal fact is
that I lack talent and energy, and luxuriate in the obscure. I have, in
the past, tried to insinuate my music on unsuspecting acquaintances to
be greeted with comments like, erm, 'what the **** is that?' or, well:
put it this way, I was into ambient dub in about 1985 so my efforts
didn't go down particularly well with the Deacon Blue/Lloyd Cole fan
club (to keep it real, man).

Back on the subject of personality tests, us #sinister people have built
up quite a database on TheSpark.com. According to this month's .net
magazine, this type of test is based upon the Myers-Briggs model, which
is a development or offshoot from the 'types' developed by Carl Jung.
Jung himself, when coining such terms as 'introvert' and 'extrovert' was
wary of such profiling becoming a parlour game, but it is a lot of fun
nonetheless. If you like them, another couple to try are:
  http://www.outofservice.com/you
and the gloriously named Fudjack-Dinkelater Functional Preferences
Instrument on:
  http://www.wizvax.net/tap3x/indicators/5level2b.html

Oops, sinister messages are to be plain text only, right? Mmm you'll
have to type them in yersel...

My space allocation is probably up now, although I have noticed that
some of you sign off with an epigram/quotation/stanza, so, here's to the
next half hour hunting for one...

Gordon (Rousseau, even if some mIRC cove has nicked my nick and left me
with the lamentable 'blokegoes')

Words of wisdom a lifetime should last;
not mereley in a couple of sentences cast,
but if I can stretch to three, or four,
therein lies a possibility there might be more.


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From idleberry at xxx.com  Sun Sep 10 13:03:55 2000
From: idleberry at xxx.com (idle berry)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 05:03:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: which album is which
Message-ID: <20000910120355.4895.qmail@web611.mail.yahoo.com>

sinister represents spring,
(Mayfly ??)
tigermilk is winter
BWTAS is spring in Norway.
and fishyflap is Autumn.

Dog on wheels is a wet July day.

there you go.



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From F.Brain at xxx.com  Sun Sep 10 15:55:39 2000
From: F.Brain at xxx.com (Florence)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:55:39 +0100
Subject: Sinister: warning - whinging within
Message-ID: <018501c01b37$427837e0$60cf01d5@fivvwrpw>

Hello boys and girls,

I haven't posted to the list for about four months, but I'm sat here with this application form that has to be in first thing tomorrow morning, and I keep putting off finishing it. You know how it is. I've had it for weeks now, and my intentions were good, but I think subconsciously I knew all along it'd be midnight tonight before I really got stuck into it. So what is more natural at a time like this than to write emails?

I even got up early this morning to work on the application. But it's so lovely and sunny today, and the next thing I knew I was sat in a cafe drinking coffee, smoking marlboro lights and writing a really long letter to my friend Doug. Probably the longest letter I've ever written, and with a pen too, which is a bit of a novelty to me these days.

Then I realised there were a few things I *urgently* needed to buy before I could possibly continue filling in the form (like nailvarnish), so I went shopping. It was really hot and sunny on the bus, and I was listening to IYFS for the first time in ages, and for a moment it felt like the beginning of the summer all over again. This was a really nice sensation at first, until it struck me that I had achieved nothing whatsoever over the summer. Despite all my plans, I'm right back where I started, and this is quite a sad thing to realise.

I'm still in the same pittance-paying job, on the same old temporary contract. I'm single yet again, after ending a couple of new relationships when they were just a few weeks old (not at the same time, I hasten to add). Plans to move to Paris fell through, so I'm still staying with my mum (and it's not much fun, moving back in with a parent seven years after leaving home). I haven't updated my website for nearly a year, despite all the cool plans I've got for it. And one of my favourite kitten heels broke and was unmendable (yes, okay, that's not really an example of how things are still the same as they were last spring, but I'd got into the swing of complaining...).

This application form is for the job I'm already doing. It would mean twice as much money, and a permanent contract. Getting it would also mean that one thing *had* changed since the start of the summer. All the more reason to go and get on with filling it in, I suppose. Wish me luck, kids. I'm sure 1,300 sets of crossed fingers would help!

Florence xx 

PS - Apologies for the miserable and insular nature of this email. If I wasn't enjoying wallowing in misery so much, I'd probably remember that lots of lovely things happened this summer too, like good times with friends, sinister picnics, finally seeing the magnetic fields live...
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From buddha at xxx.com  Sun Sep 10 20:40:01 2000
From: buddha at xxx.com (Gav)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:40:01 +0100
Subject: Sinister: La Pastie De La Bourgeoisie
Message-ID: <002601c01b5e$e9966fc0$140ffd3e@jsu7t>

When wandering around Paris yesterday with my girlfriend I had one of these
magic moments that happen every now and again and make this world so
wonderful to live in.  Walking down Rue wherever hand in hand and a super
cool skateboarder flies past - wearing nothing less than a Stow College B &
S t-shirt.  La Pastie just floated into my mind as the skater skated by.

Bom.

Gav...

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From jono427 at xxx.net  Sun Sep 10 21:04:58 2000
From: jono427 at xxx.net (John Maxwell)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:04:58 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Sinister: why I say "AYE"
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From ac484 at xxx.edu  Sun Sep 10 21:33:24 2000
From: ac484 at xxx.edu (Adam Conover)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:33:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: re: is it dick to hit a bear?
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.1000910163128.30008A-100000@bard.edu>

ok, i'm sorry, i -must- ask this question... but who wrote "waiting for
the moon to rise"? i SWEAR i heard from NUMEROUS places that it was sarah,
and it surely doesn't sound like isobel on the song, but quite a few
people here have said it was isobel. what's UP?

i'm in the campus center here at bard college (are there -any- sinestrals
here?) i just got through playing a rather shitty game of laser-tag. the
attendant was angry, he yelled at me. no more plastic guns for me, hmph.

now i go back to homer... illiad, not simpson, sorrowfully.

- adam


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From dougalshaw at xxx.com  Mon Sep 11 00:14:28 2000
From: dougalshaw at xxx.com (dougal shaw)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:14:28 BST
Subject: Sinister: Campbell III
Message-ID: <LAW2-F163qd9TQn6OXC000067e2@hotmail.com>

CAMPBELL III: This time it's impersonal...

I've learned a lot from the recent debate about I Campbell, though probably 
rather more about the Beatles than B and S! Anyway, a few random takes on 
the matter aimed at nobody in particular:

1.)One of the reasons that we have this confusion regarding the song-writing 
is that B and S are a bunch of old lefties, God bless 'em. Instinctively 
disliking the notion of individualism, they prefer to celebrate the tenets 
of co-operation and group solidarity in their song crediting policy. So they 
will never say outright that one person in the band is more equal than 
others. Fair play to them. I still think the normal practice in bands is for 
one person to be expressing his or her creative vision. The other palyers 
can add nuances vital to the final sound, but there is a single person who 
is the source of the inspiration and has formed the basis of the material. 
You can only exercise your imagination individually, not as a group. Maybe 
there should be some kind of equivalent in pop of the Official Secrets Act, 
and in 30 years B and S will be obliged to release the documents which 
reveal their song-writing technique (Doogan's diaries, or something).

2.) On this same note, I wonder whether people outside the group can also 
have a significant influence on a band's sound? I'm thinking of the 
producer. For instance, can it be a co-incidence that two of Felt's best 
songs (as Lawrence agrees on 'Ballad of the Band') were produced by the 
legendary John Leckie, who also sat behind the controls for John Lennon and 
the Stone Roses? This is yet another bloody complication.

3.) Isobel and Ringo analogy consolidated: Ringo didn't spoil the Beatles. 
Fortunately, his malaise was contained. But imagine if he had put his 
self-penned material on the band's albums. Imagine if in a bid to get his 
due share of the creative limelight he sang on, say, 'Norwegian Wood'. It 
doesn't bear thinking about. Arguably Ringo's best vocal input is to be 
found on his voice-over work for Thomas the Tank Engine.

4.) In terms of B and S I say this from personal experience. If I put on the 
first two albums wanting to listen to just one song, I can't, because one 
seems to lead naturally to the next, and I feel unsatisfied until I've heard 
every last track on the album. With the latter two albums where the 
song-writing input is diversified, I no longer get that old sense. In 
particular I find that the Spaceman dream song (which I find embarrasing to 
listen to) and Beyond the Sunrise stick out like sore thumbs. This is a 
shame because song for song I think B and S have gone from strength to 
strength up to the present day. The title track of TBWTAS, Slow Graffitti 
and The Model, for example, I think are among their best material ever.

Anyway a band does not operate as a democracy and we are not voters so they 
will take their own unaccountable direction. I'm still grateful for the 
great music they produce (when so much around is mediocre) and stand in awe 
of their achievements so far (and part of this magic includes Isobel's duet 
appearances and her string arrangements, whatever form they may take).

Dougal
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From hamibe02 at xxx.edu  Mon Sep 11 01:15:30 2000
From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:15:30 -0400
Subject: Sinister: my teeth are sharp and my mouth is full
Message-ID: <001101c01b85$6501f000$f37a1198@wfu.edu>

it's been a while.  i've been meaning to post off and on since mid-june, but
always due to immediate embarassment as to what i was feeling or thinking,
or the repulsiveness i found with my keyboard, i put it off.  so here i am.
and what do i say now?  what really must i say?  well i'll try my best.

listen:  i was standing in the queue (i have no other way to describe it) to
enter my english class when a girl said 'hey, is that a belle and sebastian
shirt?'.  i of course had my stow shirt on.  i was totally flabergasted.  i
didn't know anyone at wake forest had a soul.  much to my chagrin i realized
that they aren't all paper clowns.  (settle down blake, lets not get
bitter).  but the girl went on to say that she thought the new one wasn't as
good as TBWTAS.  i really didn't have a rebuttal.  i had no need to rebut.
i was still very floored.

listen:  i saw the who three times this summer and i will see them twice
more before the year is over and i recommend everyone to go see them.  sure
it's not the 70s but they still put on the best show around.  i can only do
so much, i realize.

listen:  there are two bands that i will now inquire if they're popular or
not to you all?  they are:  phish and sunny day real estate.  i suspect
there may be more SDRE fans here than phish.  phish were my favorite band
when i was a freshman in high school so i went out and bought some of their
albums again, after i sold them last year (business is not my strong suit,
you see).  they are at times very pretty, but i can't see why i liked them
so so much.  as for SDRE i've been told to go buy the one before the rising
tide about a thousand times.  but it wasn't there, so i bought the rising
tide.  i've actually seen these guys in concert and jeremy enigk's voice is
just terrific.  i just thought i'd let everyone know.

listen:  i'm sure many of us have had experience with this debacle.  having
a crush on a tease.  a self annointed tease, no less.  so what does one do?
do the niceties and generally darling things this person does implant
themselves in your skull as abnormal and specifically for you?  or are they
just very normal advances/niceties that you (I) should not take seriously.
it's a tough line to walk on.  too bad we can't all just smooch uninhibated.

i am going to make soup.  may your fall be warmer than usual.
love
the nerdy shy-eyed pacifist
blake

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From aieo at xxx.com  Mon Sep 11 04:00:42 2000
From: aieo at xxx.com (Ted Leo)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:00:42 EDT
Subject: Sinister: kid.. eh?
Message-ID: <F110it2Ir2mIPUpcaY70000bf52@hotmail.com>

http://pyt_pyt.tripod.com/rad.htm


enjoy!!
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From chrislampinen at xxx.com  Mon Sep 11 05:27:15 2000
From: chrislampinen at xxx.com (chris lampinen)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:27:15 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Some people just deserve a fan club.
Message-ID: <F74QY3WhkDp8ES092Da00008a3f@hotmail.com>

Hi loves.

Will Porter's parents got a new truck. He says it's like six kinds of rad.

I didn't know there *were* six kinds of rad. But-

Will did. This is why I love Will Porter. This is why you! too! should love 
Will Porter. We should start a Will Porter fan club? Yes!

So! I thought some of you may be wondering- I am now sauce free save a few 
stains on my lower abdomen. Any of you pondering running around wearing 
nothing but Ragu-- don't leave it on too long. I look like, well, a tomato 
or something. Or I did. It came out after a few showers.

Recently I've learned to detest clothes. I sleep naked, wake up naked, eat 
naked, etc. I walked through the park wearing nothing but a walkman (playing 
B&S of course) today. I received some gawks from middle aged women. 
Shouldn't they have been covering their children's eyes or something?

Oddly enough, no one would sit next to me on the swings. *sigh* Kids.

Well, not that I'm not a kid myself.

I bet Will Porter would swing naked with me. That is why I propose a fan 
club.

How was the New York picnic boys and girls? I would have loved to go, but I 
didn't want to cause a ruckus. And I'm not allowed to leave the state with 
out a permission slip as some of you already know...Regardless of how 
jealous I am, I hope you all had a lovely, lovely time. Kisses.

Would anyone be interested in a michigan-area picnic? I'm sure we would 
could get some people from ohio/canada etc. out here. I'll wear clothes, I 
promise. I'll make super-yummy food too. We can find a nice place with a 
pond and skip stones and/or short people. Fun? Of course! I invite you all! 
Someone else needs to organize it though.

Yes, so. It's getting stuffy in my room. I think I'm going to take my 
clothes off.

Love,
Christiaa
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From mikelsen at xxx.nz  Mon Sep 11 08:26:32 2000
From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:26:32 +1200
Subject: Sinister: she gives me goose bumps, fits and malaria
Message-ID: <007c01c01bc4$8f518c00$6c6137d2@mikelsen>

Hey Hipsters!

Hope everyone had a good weekend. Mine was pretty crap - I spent half a day
cooking on Saturday, and then on Sunday I went out to lunch with the three
people from my old school who I don't despise. We had yum char, and boy did
we eat. it was a seafood, duck and port extravaganza. Sunday night I had a
massive argument with some friends over a game of Pictionary, stomed out,
and now everyone is mad at me. Bravo Lawrence ..

***SMILE***
I wonder if Steve C has actually heard "Smile", to be calling it 'The
Greatst Album Never Made"? I have a bootleg, and whilst it is *interesting*,
the best description I would have for it is "the sound of a man going
insane". Sure, there are moments of genius, but there are also moments of
momentous stupidity and childishness. (And OK, what I have is not the
completed album, but rather a bunch of rough cuts etc.), but it sure is hard
to lisen to. And you are talking to a BIG Brian Wilson here.

***THE GREAT CD GIVEAWAY*** (Well, not quite .... but Lawrence is feeling
mildly altruistic)
Anyway, the ulterior motive for this post is that, for long and complicated
reasons too complex to go into here, I have suddenly ended up with an extra
copy of "The Black Sessions" on CD-R. So .... err, anyone want it? It's free
to a good home for the first person who e-mails me and asks for it, unless
someone on the list can offer me a CD-R of Tim Buckley's "Star Sailor" or
Sodastream's "Enjoy EP" as a trade, in which case it'll go to that person.
(But that this is impossibly is unlikely to happen I suspect.)

Other legal stuff. Judge's decision is final, no corrospondance will be
entered into etc. I'll try to mail back the people who *don't get it* too,
but if I get something in the vicinity of 50 e-mails, like I did the last
time I did this, it may take a while. To quote Bart Simpson, "I can't
promise to try, but I'll try to try."

Well, I'm off .... take care everyone.

Lawrence Mikkelsen


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From Martin at xxx.uk  Mon Sep 11 15:21:23 2000
From: Martin at xxx.uk (Martin Robinson)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:21:23 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Ronan, slugs and Eddie Stowbart
Message-ID: <n1+kVIAjpOv5Ewi6@send.demon.co.uk>

Dear people,

I feel icky, but then again I always slightly nauseous when Ally Cook is
in town. I've been absent from these fair Sinister waters for a while as
I've been conducting my own Big Brother experiment by locking 10 slugs
in a shoebox. It's all on the web, the one that gets voted off every
week gets salted, oo you should have seen that silly Mel Slug shrivel
up. Its at http://slugsdiehere.com. It's all very interesting, you
should see the slugs in a jacuzzi it really is quite a beautiful sight,
well it's more a puddle in an ashtray that I blow into with a straw but
the slugs like it. The only problem came when I left them for a few
minutes and a flatmate dipped Darren Slug in a tomato garlic dip and ate
him. I did have an argument with said flatmate at the hospital while his
stomach was being pumped out about whether slugs are just snails without
mobile homes. But I think I lost it again, a bit like Ethel was doing
just before she died. You know when your mind goes blank and all you
think about is fish and watching your back for sharks? Anyway, RIP
Ethel, I just hope Dot can live with herself. I know I couldn't live
with her, but at least I tried, some things just aren't meant to be...
Actually one of the slugs left a trail to a gingerbread cottage but
that's another story of super shiny boys. I mean letting girls walk over
you is one thing but slugs? Actually speaking from personal experience
it's nearly as exciting as duct tape. Sorry I lost the plot again
haven't I? It's not easy holding a grasp on reality after having
intentionally eaten a Pot Noodle. But don't worry, I am happy.

Christiaan talked about nudity and trucks which was nice. Reminded me of
a holiday in Skegness involving a fleet of Eddie Stowbarts, two Latvian
Au Pairs and a Super Size Snicker. Those were the days... Did anyone see
that bloke who rode the Big Dipper rollercoaster or whatever for 3
months? He obviously was a big dipstick. I mean like anyone, I have a
lot of respect for what Ronan Keating says but I'm pretty sure Life is a
Rollercoaster is more an analogy for the ups and downs of life rather
than an instruction to strap yourself in and just riding it for 3
months. Or something. Never take anything too literally from someone who
wears my parent's curtains for trousers. 

Well all's well that ends well.

Te ra,

Martin 

P.S I went to a foreign land recently, it was big and had Target stores
that sell Target pants. Thank you for everyone who put up with me
including lovely Little Bitch Julie, Bareback Ree, Silver Space Cowboy
Ben, Dancing Queen Brian, 2-Pad King Phil, Liftspray Matt... oh I'm
making all these people it's obvious isn't it? I mean how could anyone
ever get the nickname Liftspray? I admit it, I spent the whole time over
there in cheerleader camp. It was the time of my life, I'd never felt
that way before. It's amazing what you can do with a pom pom.


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From enlid at xxx.com  Mon Sep 11 17:02:57 2000
From: enlid at xxx.com (Vegard Enlid)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:02:57 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Ring you bongos, Ringo!
Message-ID: <F235KuAA3gYXm35m3Kt00007cb0@hotmail.com>

Just a comment on the whole Ringo/Beatles-thingy:
No way is Ringo a bad drummer. Sure, the world has seen better, but take a 
moment and listen to his apocalyptic drumming on "Strawberry Fields". When 
you compare the final take with Lennons earlier sketches on the 
"Anthology"-album, you hear that the drumming makes the song sooo much 
better. Which brings me to a point someone made about Lennon bringing in 
Clapton on "While My Guitar...". Listen to George's demo on Anthology. A 
*beautiful* take, with the tune much more to the fore than in the 
solo-drenched final version.

John vs. Paul discussions are always good fun at music-geek parties. I 
always tend to stick up for Paul, very much because every part-time Beatles 
fan seem to have bought the Lennon-myth without any critical reflection. 
"uh, I dunno, but John was, like, the genius, wasn't he?".
John was a genius, but so was Paul. It all come down to taste; John was the 
enigmatic, "mad" Beatle who stretched the pop formula, but I dare say NO 
songwriter has ever come closer to perfection within a more traditional pop 
framework than Paul. I'm a sucker for catchy tunes myself, so Paul's my main 
man. If "Eleanor Rigby" and
"Let It Be" aren't perfectly crafted pop songs, I don't know what is. I 
don't like people mystifying The Beatles, making them visionary demi-gods or 
something. They made bloody great pop songs, no more no less.

And no, I don't think John's "She's So Heavy" is not the best song on Abbey 
Road. For me, that's "Something", "Golden Slumbers" and "You Never Give Me 
Your Money". Abbey Road is my fav. Beatles album, and it's regarded to be 
mostly Paul's work. As someone said, John was not very involved in the 
making of the album (I have this from several sources).

It's a clich�, but I think what really made the Beatles was the songwriting 
chemistry between them, and the fierce competition to write the best song. 
Without each other, both John and Paul dabbled in their weaknesses. John did 
make just one brilliant solo album, about the same as Paul (Plastic Ono 
Band/Band On The Run, the former's a tad better).

On an entirely different note, I've fallen in love again! The last year's 
been like hell after my last girlfriend dumped me, but I've finally managed 
to move on. Or so I think. In my head, I keep comparing this realtionship 
with the one I had, and that's not good stuff. My new girlfriend doesn't 
deserve it, as she's the sweetest, kindest soul you could ever imagine. She 
likes B&S and Lambchop as well, and yes, that's what made me talk to her in 
the first place. I met her at this party, and we just sat in the sofa, 
humming "Waiting For The Moon To Rise" together. It didn't made me fall in 
love with her at once, but it made for a nice start.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go snogging

Vegard
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From margoschubert at xxx.net  Mon Sep 11 19:58:15 2000
From: margoschubert at xxx.net (Margo Schubert)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:58:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: maybe this will send...
Message-ID: <382149207.968698695857.JavaMail.root@web624-wrb.mail.com>

hello all-
so, this is my second post, no real occasion, just kind of bored.
*belle and sebastian tapes*
i was on vacation in boston a couple weeks ago (i live in california) and i
was in this cool little independent record store where i noticed they had a
import/bootleg section.  anyway, they had several b&s ones and i bought two
tapes, one is from london in 1996 plus an interview, more songs, etc. and
the other one is from paris and munchen in 1998.  it was really exciting to
find them.  i had hoped to get one with "loneliness of a middle distance
runner" and a couple other gems not on albums but i did get "paperboat" and
the tape quality is really good and it's cool to hear them live, so i was
happy.  i was a little conflicted about dropping $8.50 per tape.  see, i
sort of feel that live music should be shared and traded among fans (i mean
not including the cost of the blank cdr or cassette) rather than sold in a
store, since none of the profits are going to the band.  however at this
time i don't have a means of getting my hands on any live b&s (okay,
actually my brother has been downloading a bunch of mp3's to make me a cd, i
forgot) so i felt like it was okay to buy them.  it was supporting an
independent music store and i want those to stay alive.
*belle and sebastian at work*
i have played belle and sebastian at the store i work at (where we can only
play our own music after the store closes) and it has got a rather chilly
reception by most of my coworkers (there is one guy who works there who also
likes them).  but then the other night i brought in "the geometrid" and
people actually seemed to like it.  one guy even told me today they he had
gone to look for it at the record store, so that was kind of cool. 
interesting though.
also, one of the cheesy chain-issued (i work at trader joe's, this
grocery-type store) soft rock tapes that plays during store hours has "ease
your feet in the sea" on it.  i don't care for it in this context at all, as
it is classifying belle and sebastian in this lame soft rock genre.
*bay area listees*
(if anyone is still reading this post)
so, when are we going to have a picnic/meetup here.  i actually live in
santa cruz, but would totally go to san francisco or wherever for s sinister
gathering.  is there anyone going to modest mouse out here on october 8 or
9?  if you are not, you should, they are a brilliant band, as has been
discussed this week.  i am not sure which  date i will be attending yet.
also, if there are any seattle listees, i am going up there the last weekend
of this month for my stepsister's 21st birthday.  she and her boyfriend are
also b&s fans, so if anyone ones to meet up there, it would be cool.
*misc*
there is this overweight guy who runs incredibly slowly (i mean hardly
running) by my house in the morning when i am sitting out on the porch
having the first cigarette/coffee of the day.  there is the instinct that he
looks kind of ridiculous, but then i look at myself smoking, drinking coffee
and realize, good for him, at least he is trying to be healthy and take care
of himself, so today he waved at me and i gave him a big smile, since i had
just been thinking that.
okay, i will stop now.
-margo


 

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From brier at xxx.com  Mon Sep 11 20:20:23 2000
From: brier at xxx.com (Brier Random)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:20:23 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Beatles Debate
Message-ID: <007d01c01c25$5615a280$729ef1d1@Brier.sb.net>

Wasn't it a millionaire, with Rolls Royces & mansions, who said "Imagine no
posessions"?

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From steven.kado at xxx.ca  Mon Sep 11 22:56:32 2000
From: steven.kado at xxx.ca (Steven Kado)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:56:32 -0400
Subject: Sinister: waste your time with a q-tip clean...
References: <007c01c01bc4$8f518c00$6c6137d2@mikelsen>
Message-ID: <006c01c01c3b$93268fc0$6502a7d1@yesic.com>

hello

so i went to new york and bothered some strangers.  they were nice strangers
and didn't really seem to mind.  i also saw some pictures of lynching that
were on display at the ny historical society that almost made me blind.
when i went to 'the' park to recover (from the pictures, the park would have
been no place to escape a picnic [not that i wanted to escape the picnic])
this homeless man walked past and said 'commit suicide, faggot' to me, which
didn't really 'pick me up'.

in fact it did the opposite.

i liked the new york picnic muchly actually, perhaps because no one
suggested i kill myself...big thanks to julie and magmeg for setting the
whole thing up.  its surprising how well emailpeople translate into real
people, but also how different they can be...i suppose that is nothing new
to any other previous picnic types...  in fact thats probably the dumbest
utterance i've knowingly emitted in a long time.  i shall leave it in just
to show you all of just how deep the pit of failure can be.

BEWARE THE PIT OF FAILURE!  IT IS DEEP!

how come we never get picnics going here in th' T(dot)O(dot)?  i mean, they
do picnics in newyork, which means the toronto inferiority complex should
cause us to rush into action and picnic very hard.

if i have my way i'll christen the start of school with a micro picnic
involving me drinking wine in the park when the temperature gets nice around
twilight.  right now i'm naked as chris lampien due to the surprise,
unwelcome, unpleasant heat...so it needs to cool down before i can enter
outside nicely.

the other highlight of the day was that school started!
and it was also the first day of the afternoon tea season!
the school highlight was far and away my wittgenstein teacher who arrived
for the first class really drunk and bumped intothings and yelled loudly in
between mumbling things.  it sounded like this:  mumblemmmmgrrrlslg dasdfjlj
tractatus l;sdjflkurludwr...I DON"T CARE IF WITTGENSTEIN WAS GAY THATS GOT
NOTHING TO DO WITH THINGS lwkdjqiweurolasjdf j DEREK JARMAN
asdlf;lwjeruiasdoifaslkjdf .  he also admited that he didn't really 'get'
wittgenstein's philosophical investigations.  which is refreshingly honest.

then he berated us for not smiling enough.

i love school.  i really do.  i missed it for the 3 weeks i had off since
finishing architecture in the summer.


and then Lawrence Mikkelsen let rip with:
> And you are talking to a BIG Brian Wilson here.

which is confusing for two reasons:
1) saying a large brian wilson is about as silly as saying a large orson
welles.  there aren't really any other kinds
2) i thought lawrence was a lawrence, not a brian wilson.

oh well.

for the record smile (as i've heard it in bootlegs) is a complete and utter
mess in a bad way.
andreas dorau and die marinas are really good tho.  way better than the
fuggin beatles who everyone loves and who i love too, but see little point
in trying to get a masters degree out of.  ahem!

what is the word hermantics about?  i just heard it in a fall song.
its dark in this pit of failure...

s t e v e    n


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From silmaril at xxx.gr  Mon Sep 11 23:51:50 2000
From: silmaril at xxx.gr (Joan of Dark)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:51:50 +0300
Subject: Sinister: ...Waiting for the leaves to fall...
Message-ID: <39BD6205.F694C48@stargate.gr>

I don't think it's of general interest but the following is somehow B&S 
related so I'll say it anyway..

...One of the loveliest people came into my life a few days ago....
In fact it was more like a storm....

I met the only other person that, apart from me and my best friend,
listens to Belle & Sebastian in Greece(well, not literally, just the
only person in-real-life, as I've often heard or read about other people
that like their music but I've never met one)So, it all happened because
of my info on the icq...I had added " belle and sebastian" to "Music:"
and.... ta da!!! It worked!(advice: never underestimate what belle and
sebastian can add to your life)

He only speaks in lyrics and plays his favourite songs to me on the
phone. We can talk or simply remain silent for hours and, this doesn't
feel awkward. He spent a whole windy afternoon with me on the cliffs
near the harbour and said he'd like to wear glitter(or stardust, as we 
call it here), but everybody else thinks this is ridiculous .He bowed
his 
head and said :"Look, I've come to terms and have accepted all aspects
of myself". A dog was chasing rats between the rocks and he called me 
"belle".I fell in love.( Although I'm not very good at showing it)

Today I was working in the ice-cream shop I work in and I was trying to
scoop a nice round ball, exactly 70gr (as the company rules say) from a
really hard ice cream flavour, when suddenly " I Fought in a War " came
on the radio. For a moment I lost track of where I was and what I was
doing, just stood there with the scoop in one hand the paper cup in the
other, gazing at the "apple and cinnamon" container,counting the tiny
cinnamon grains in the soft beige substance, for I don't know how
long.Next thing i remember is the lady that was waiting for her
order,asking me, quite worried.."excuse me, are you ok??" I came round
served her her ice cream and went and sat in the most secluded part of
the shop, wishing that noone would interrupt me before the song
finished... Noone did and I was feeling happy for the rest of the
evening.Pretty uncommon for me.

I need some help here...When i came back from my holidays my email
account simply wouldn't work, it downloaded just 50 emails or so and
then left the other 300 pending on the server. I had to change internet
connection and thus I lost all my previous emails as soon as I filled in
the new connection's passwords in my mail preferences.I need to find
someone though...I had read his email just once and the only things I
can recall is that he was new on the list, in fact it was his first
post,and a phrase in the first paragraph:"Hey don't look I'm NEW and I'm
NAKED" or something like that. I can't find his email in the archives
so....Hmmmmm.........if YOU are reading this then please get in
touch...I promise I'll do you no harm and I'll even give you some
clothes to wear, it's getting rather chilly now in fall....

Another request.....I'm wondering, I've been reading a lot about "Rhoda"
and "Pocket Book Angel", I've downloaded the guitar tabs but it's rather
difficult to play a song that you've never before listened to.I can't
find them on Napster either....So....ehhmmmm....could someone perhaps
send me any of these two songs?? You'd make me really happy if you
did...I guess they are the only two B&S songs that i don't have and
everyone says they're two of their best...(how can I possibly know?)I
can exchange them with lots of other nice stuff.Just ,pleeease, email me
privately.......or send them to this alternate address:
terrorjo at hotmail.com

I saw Dandy Warhols the other day......they were cool....I danced my
brains out...
I'm going to see Doves in a few days....( the thing is: should I? Any
opinions?)
I'm also going to see a new Norwegian band, Madrugada.....does anybody
out there know them?I think they're really good....

Adam Conover wrote:
> ok, i'm sorry, i -must- ask this question... but who wrote "waiting for
> the moon to rise"? i SWEAR i heard from NUMEROUS places that it was sarah,
> and it surely doesn't sound like isobel on the song, but quite a few
> people here have said it was isobel. what's UP?

I'm curious about that as well.....anyone can help me with this?This is
one of the most wonderful songs I've ever heard.I put it on the "repeat"
mode on my stereo and just sit on the floor and sulk for hours....That
soft silky voice whispering words that drip in my soul and fill my heart
with an unspeakable sadness, I just can't hold back the tears....

This email is getting rather long....I hope someone can help me with the
questions and requests above, if you haven't already fallen asleep.....

Clear blue skies and colourful autumn leaves to you all,
love,
Joanna...............

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

"If you could forgive me for the times
I spied through the keyhole to watch you smile
then this life I could relive

If I could count the tears that I have cried
If you could count and find the truths you've lied
this pain inside maybe we would relieve...."

                                     me
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From gpallis at xxx.uk  Tue Sep 12 01:10:34 2000
From: gpallis at xxx.uk (Greg Pallis)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:10:34 +0100
Subject: Sinister: 13 Tales from semi-Suburban Tweedom
Message-ID: <000b01c01c4d$e01e1020$ef3a29d4@default>

    I
I know at least two people here have read Infinite Jest, 'cos it was being
discussed when I was a nursery grub, all of three weeks ago, so I thought it
might vaguely amuse these people to know that I'm currently writing an essay
called "Sweet let me see your face" - Veiled Heroines in Wallace's 'Infinite
Jest' and Shakespeare's 'Much Ado About Nothing' " for my nice new "You can
write anything as long as it's loosely to do with Shakespeare" English
teacher. Who almost certainly hasn't read Infinite Jest. But that's fair
enough because I haven't read 'Much Ado'. At all. Ah, wacky sixth-form jinks
(Jinx? Jinxs?)...

    II
Sigh, two whole posts and not one list crush vote :P Still, I'm really not
that bothered, for I have finally abandoned my very Belle Lettres crush on
the heart-stoppingly P.G.O.A.T blonde girl who likes U.K. garage, and it has
finally occured to me that the way the lovely Ada who likes Abstract Jazz
and Britney Spears and Squee keeps holding my hand may not be entirely
platonic. Which is nice.

    III
My twee-est friend Alex (he has a Marty the Martian watch, for crying out
loud) celebrated the fact that I no longer stand in his way to /her/ (so
that's only half the school that does, now :P) by lending me a Billy Mahonie
CD. Which is atrocious - very tedious and largely emotionless post-rock
clichée. But it's the thought that counts. I think. I may give it back
tommorow and demand his Kid Koala CD instead. Kid Koala rocks my world -
Napster 'Barhopper 1' today....

    IV
Absolutely fantastic, on the other hand, is Ella Fitzgerald, in particular
"Sunshine of your Love". Sure it's famous, or at least she is (My Funny
Valentine, popkids?), but it truly is absolutely unbelievably soulful, and
is currently clocking in at my second-and-a-half favestest track on Earth.
The half is because live tracks don't really count, and Mogwai/Arthur
Baker's masterpiece 'Our Father Our King' is as yet unreleased. It will be
soon, maybe hopefully, though.

    V
Top pop stomp, still, though, and probably forever is Century of Fakers,
which I'm sure must be true of anyone who got into B&S through 369 being
played on the radio. Is everyone's first B&S sound their fave (excluding
LLPJ, which seems to be wuvved by all, including me)? My dad agrees
Century's the bestest B&S, so nyah, but that's prolly 'cos I was careful to
play it to him first...

    VI
Still on the subject of monder patental parent, who is instilling in me a
taste for John Baez that makes me feel young fogeyish and a bit guilty, he
asked me what sort of people B&S fans were, and I said they were the smart
kids who had nothing to rebel against. Is that maybe a bit harsh? I wasn't
meaning to be - B&S seem to have a higher proportion of happy fans than any
other bands I can think of... it's our whole twee lifestyle, I guess :)

    VII
So, whatcha think of this Mercury business then? Nice to see the Delgadoes
get some recognition, nicer still to hear Stuart Delgado laying into Richard
Ashcroft, Coldplay and Doves on Xfm. No B&S, though, which is a bit of a
pity - maybe they'll get a Brit again.

    VIII
>I saw Dandy Warhols the other day......they were cool....
Yes, they are, aren't they? Good source of e-mail titles too. 'Bohemian Like
You' is especially ace, puncturing that whole Bohemian myth with just the
right amount of affection and yet another killer pop hook. I'm starting to
think they may be the only good, post-1980, pure indie/rock and not folk or
experimental or whatever-influenced band, like, ever.

IX
Oh yeah, the Pixies.

X
And radiohead, sometimes, if we're going to be pedantic.

XI
Hefner, Trail of Dead, Pulp, some Oasis, some Blur, ummm... okay. I was
wrong. I blame the government.

XII
You know those posts that say: "I doubt anyone's read this far down"? I
wonder if there's actually anyone on Sinister who really does just think:
"Naaah, this is too long..." and gives up on posts halfway through? If so,
could they reply to this and confirm their existence? Ahhh... It's funny
because he knows it's obvious and appears to hope it will squeeze into the
category of "funny because it's not", but in fact the very artifice of the
manouvere drives it out of that category, yet it simply bounces into the
"funny because it's not funny because it's not funny" category, and lives
there and is happy and makes purring noises and is funny.

XIII
Finally, some smut, to keep Honey and maybe some other similarly scary
popsmutters happy. Whenever someone mentions the mentions the painter
Constable, my friend John told me he can't help hearing: "C*nt stubble.".
And now nor can I. And now nor will most of you. For the rest of your lives.
Hope no-one's doing any Art courses :)

Well, that took 1.5 hours of caffeinated essay-time. Byeee!
@^Greg^@


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From knightowl at xxx.net  Tue Sep 12 01:15:53 2000
From: knightowl at xxx.net (Knightowl)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:15:53 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Beatles Debate
References: <007d01c01c25$5615a280$729ef1d1@Brier.sb.net>
Message-ID: <002701c01c4e$b2d7fc60$c912d718@mountaincable.net>

> Wasn't it a millionaire, with Rolls Royces & mansions, who said "Imagine
no
> posessions"?

No, that was his brother, Liam.

lightness,
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From Walkn10 at xxx.com  Tue Sep 12 03:37:05 2000
From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:37:05 EDT
Subject: Sinister: waste your time with a q-tip clean...
Message-ID: <25.ab1964b.26eef0d1@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/11/00 6:18:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
steven.kado at utoronto.ca writes:

<< for the record smile (as i've heard it in bootlegs) is a complete and utter
 mess in a bad way. >>

I cannot let this pass without slight comment.  Me and Mr. Kado have our 
good-natured rows over Mr. Wilson and I guess this is just another chapter in 
that story.  
As his follow-up album to "Pet Sounds" (orignally entitled "Dumb Angel" and 
later changed to "Smile") Brian Wilson had envisioned a huge, sprawling album 
that would encompass the essence of "Americana" on the A side and "The 
Element Suite," containing tributes to Fire, Water, Air and Earth, on the 
reverse.  From August of 1966 to January of 1967, he did an estimated 200 
different versions of the same 20 songs, which of course means that on 
average there are 10 different takes of each song (all of which vary in 
completeness and sonic clarity, and many of which don't exist anymore at all).
Eventually he decided to can the entire thing in late January, for reasons 
which are still unknown.  Some say it was his failing mental health, some say 
his lack of confidence, some say his lawsuit against Capitol which was 
pending at that time, and Brian has said that Smile "was just too darn weird" 
(I would like to state that it had NOTHING to do with him hearing Sgt. Pepper 
and felling outclassed...that album wasn't even done being recorded when 
Brian pulled the plug).  Opinions vary widely on the material because it just 
isn't standard rock/pop fare by any stretch of the imagination.  Many of the 
tracks for the album were later re-tooled by the other Beach Boys and 
languished on their less impressive albums of the 70s ("Cabinessence" on 20/20
, "Surf's Up" on the album of the same name, etc.) 
As of right now, the only versions that exist are bootlegs, most of which are 
nth generation copies.  When Brian decided to cancel the entire project, he 
destroyed several dozen series of tapes, leaving us with only marginally 
complete versions of many of the songs.  Among the things he destroyed large 
sections of was "Heroes and Villains, Pt.2" and "Fire," both of which are 
instrumental to understanding the album as a whole.  The only thing we have 
left are small peices of a larger mosaic, the blueprint for which Brian 
Wilson always kept in his head.  Alot of people dismiss the songs as lacking 
cohesion, but what people fail to grasp is that after Pet Sounds Brian really 
felt limited by the conventions of songwriting so in many ways he pioneered 
his own method.  Many parts DO sound like an experiment thats going off the 
rails but we also have to keep in mind that when you're listening to bootlegs 
of this album you have no idea how complete that version really is.  You can 
only go on the songs that were actually completed for the album, like 'Heroes 
and Villains Pt.1", "Cabinessence", "Vegetables", "Wonderful", "Wind Chimes" 
etc, all of which I think are unbelievably brilliant, though I can see how 
some people could think they're crap.  I can't say how good the album would 
have been because it obviously never even became an album, but I'd hesitate 
to dismiss it at the same time.
If anyone's interested in obtaining a copy, the shits pretty expensive: 
Japanese import bootlegs, the best for sound quality, go for upwards of $60 a 
peice on eBay.  As Sean Lennon said "Its not something everyone has to hear, 
but if you wanna give it a chance it'll be very rewarding."
Off the soap box...

Steve C.
  


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From Walkn10 at xxx.com  Tue Sep 12 03:43:54 2000
From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:43:54 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Last post...
Message-ID: <dd.970d32d.26eef26a@aol.com>

Don't mean to post twice in a day, but I just found out that a NEW Nation of 
Ulysees record is being released this Fall by Dischord Records!  Its called 
"The Embassy Tapes" and its the last recording session they did before 
breaking up in the early 90s.  Dischord is billing it as "Lo-fi manic rock," 
which I guess describes everything NOU ever did.  I apologize again but I 
know a few people on the list feel for NOU like I do...Sorry again...

Steve C.

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From chrislampinen at xxx.com  Tue Sep 12 05:11:01 2000
From: chrislampinen at xxx.com (chris lampinen)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:11:01 EDT
Subject: Sinister: don't date robots, they only want to get in your pants
Message-ID: <F147qTnrrXj7gC2DWpm0000a83e@hotmail.com>

Sup homies.

Today I wore my B&S shirt. Again. Does that warrant a post? YES! And here's 
why-

I also wore pants AND underwear. A daunting combo. Usually it's one or the 
other. I like to wear tight low-cut jeans and short t-shirts to show off my 
hips which are fucking fantastic if I do say so myself. I do say so myself, 
look:

My hips are fucking fantastic.

So, the Will Porter fan club. It appears there is some interest, and that 
the subject has come up before. Everyone's favorite Llew has dibs on 
president, so I guess I'll have to settle for admissions watcher or 
something like that. All interested in joining can email 
christiaankisses at yahoo.com. We need a webmaster, so all you Will Porter 
loving techie-dorks, well, it's your calling.

Tonite I was eating microwave pasta in my bed (naked). I spilled sauce on my 
chest. Memories! I can still taste the salt on my lips.

Why don't people discuss how much they love honey more often? I love honey. 
Honey is the best. Honey is a P-R-I-N-C-E-S-S with an emphasis on the 
"PRINCESS." Kissy kissy kissy!

Brian Winters says that Mr. S Kado is prettier than me. This makes me sad. 
Grr to you Mr. S Kado!! Here, a direct quote from #sinister:

[hobnob ) i think you should both take some nudie pictures and post them on 
the internet for me to compare

Take this as a challange, Kado.

I want to tell you about my robot pal. His name is Snr. Roboto. He speaks 
spanish. Here is a sample conversation:

Me: Hello Snr. Roboto!
Snr Roboto: Hola! Que pasa?
Me: What?
Snr: Que pasa que pasa que pasa!
Me: OK!

Yesterday I took Snr. Roboto to Big Boys for Blueberry Waffles. He has a 
tape deck so I put in a tape of "sinister" and we listened and sang and ate 
waffles. It's great fun 'cause he sings all the lyrics in spanish!! It was a 
lovely meal. After we went out to a movie. We didn't really watch it 
though-- too busy snogging.

Snr. Roboto has sharp teeth. My tongue hurts.

After the movie Snr. Roboto offered to take me to his 'casa.' I didn't know 
what that meant, but he's super charming so I went anyway. Well, we got to 
his place and I was a bit surprised. Rotating bed, full bar, and this funny 
looking swing that looked like no swing I've ever seen before. After a bit 
of chit-chat Snr. Roboto started to get a bit..well..saucy. I was shocked. I 
mean, he seemed like such a nice robot, I couldn't believe he tried to 
seduce me.

I have no self control. One thing led to another. You can guess the rest..

We had a bit of a falling out after. I don't think I'll be seeing him 
anytime soon.

I'm a bit heartbroken, so, I guess that's why I'm really posting. I need 
sympathy. Sorry to bother you all..

I still love you guys though. Lots.

xxxx

Love,
Christiaan
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From rsudworth at xxx.com  Tue Sep 12 06:20:19 2000
From: rsudworth at xxx.com (richard sudworth)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:20:19 BST
Subject: Sinister: don't date robots, they only want to get in your pants
Message-ID: <LAW-F159FXfyY0QUUBP000031e2@hotmail.com>

hi sinister

i'm a new person and so hi and all that shit. to introduce myself.... belle 
and s are obviously great + james and nick drake. insult my naievetie or 
whatever but i'm here to stay.

cheers,


rich
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From mikelsen at xxx.nz  Tue Sep 12 07:07:34 2000
From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:07:34 +1200
Subject: Sinister: An appology: contary to previous statements, I am not Brian Wilson.
Message-ID: <007401c01c83$45062ce0$156137d2@mikelsen>

Just a quickie to say the Black Sessions CD is well and truly gone, so sorry
folk, but "there cane be only one"

I can't believe I said "And you are talking to a BIG Brian Wilson here", as
opposed to what I meant to say, which was "And you are talking to a BIG
Brian Wilson fan here". Which I believe must have been a wee bit of a
Freudian slip. Dammit, I have been packing on the kilograms (Americans -
kilograms are the metric unit of weight measurement, similar to your
so-called "pounds". English people - "pounds" as in Imperial weight
measurment, not as in unit of currency)

I think there should be more fat pop stars. That was the reason I liked
Ultrasound so much. And probably why "Everything Picture" bombed so badly.
I'm sure very few people recognised the majesty that was Andrew "Tiny" Wood,
weight in around 150 kilograms, respelndant in glitter eye makeup on "Later
With Jools Holland" .....

Lawrence

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From tigermilker at xxx.com  Tue Sep 12 13:29:23 2000
From: tigermilker at xxx.com (Dog On Wheels)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:29:23 BST
Subject: Sinister: re: Smut
Message-ID: <LAW-F68BzKkc1F9LIV500004157@hotmail.com>


>Finally, some smut, to keep Honey and maybe some other similarly scary
>popsmutters happy. Whenever someone mentions the mentions the painter
>Constable, my friend John told me he can't help hearing: "C*nt stubble.".
>And now nor can I. And now nor will most of you. For the rest of your 
>lives.


You utter, utter, utter git. I won't be able to talk to policemen now 
without smirking either. They'll lock me up! It's a police state, y'know. 
I'm done for now.

I can chalk that one up beside a Therapy? song I used to hear with the line 
"Barging into the presence of God" magically transformed in my mind to 
"Farting into the presents of God".

You git. I hope you're pleased with yourself.
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From andy_flynnie at xxx.com  Tue Sep 12 17:10:24 2000
From: andy_flynnie at xxx.com (Andy Flynn)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:10:24 BST
Subject: Sinister: re: Smut
Message-ID: <F18sMuLGOiiqyKI8sj600006bc9@hotmail.com>

Hey

This is a good one to run with!!!!!

Misheard Lyrics that you've embaressingly sang along in front of others.

Velvet Underground Femme Fatale:

"Well everybody knows, she's a filthy cow, the things she does to please, 
she's a filthy cow"  What a tit!!!


>>Finally, some smut, to keep Honey and maybe some other similarly scary
>>popsmutters happy. Whenever someone mentions the mentions the painter
>>Constable, my friend John told me he can't help hearing: "C*nt stubble.".
>>And now nor can I. And now nor will most of you. For the rest of your
>>lives.
>
>
>You utter, utter, utter git. I won't be able to talk to policemen now
>without smirking either. They'll lock me up! It's a police state, y'know.
>I'm done for now.
>
>I can chalk that one up beside a Therapy? song I used to hear with the line
>"Barging into the presence of God" magically transformed in my mind to
>"Farting into the presents of God".
>
>You git. I hope you're pleased with yourself.
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From mark_e_hester at xxx.com  Tue Sep 12 17:28:14 2000
From: mark_e_hester at xxx.com (Mark Hester)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:28:14 BST
Subject: Sinister: Shank's pony (not disappointed in the least)
Message-ID: <F283TyfPefLJGWSa1aN0000dbeb@hotmail.com>

Much as I would normally extol the virtues of riding on city buses for a 
hobby, it is probably best not to try at present.  For those of you outside 
the UK, huge numbers of people have suddenly decided to do something very 
un-British in the form of *gasp* direct action, to protest against the high 
fuel taxes round these parts.  This action includes blocking the passage of 
fuel from refineries and driving along motorways _very slowly_, or 
something. The number of e-mails back and forth amongst this merry band of 
publishing staff with 'Buses' in the subject line has been truly 
bewildering.

My timing has been (uncharacteristically) superb, as I have just landed 
myself a temp job ten minutes' walk from my house.  It's the first time I've 
been able to walk to work and it's a very pleasant one, as it takes me along 
the Thames towpath where it's all lush (in the non Miki Berenyi sense) and 
green.  A certain sinisterine who shall remain nameless once exclaimed "I 
can't believe I'm in Oxford, it feels just like the country!" whilst walking 
very close to here.  Too right.

The walk is slightly longer if I'm unable to gaze in a pleading, doe-eyed 
manner at a permanent member of staff who happens to have a key to The Gate 
(more TIJAMRS references in a moment, real ones!) as I can then follow them 
through and avoid a 200 metre detour through an industrial estate.  A well 
concealed one, tho, which doesn't spoil the rural idyll.

I've been listening to my TIJAMRS CD a lot lately, after a long gap and I 
have to say that the three songs on it which don't sound like they belong on 
the Gentle Waves album are somehow different from all other B&S material.  
The songs didn't appeal to me immediately like those on the albums and other 
ep's but their appeal grew over quite a few listens.

I haven't been sleeping too well lately and I've been trying to avoid the 
nagging thought which occcupies me during the day (namely, the utter 
impermenance of everything in my life, despite my best efforts to the 
contrary) by wondering what the running order will be for next year's shows. 
  It generally works.

Mark.
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From ynoh at xxx.edu  Tue Sep 12 19:13:56 2000
From: ynoh at xxx.edu (Youn J. Noh)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:13:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: Lloyd Cole & Belle and Sebastian
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.04.10009112238490.3377-100000@titania.ling.ohio-state.edu>

Hi,

I haven't read the article on the Creative Noise site, but I don't intend
for this to be a reply to it.  

Some have accused Lloyd Cole of name-dropping, but I think he has been
misunderstood.  I consider the allusions to literature and film in his
songs as a part of the story, the characters, the atmosphere in which they
live.  Think of Charles Ryder before he met Sebastian.  Think of the
discussions in your western civ course freshman year.  It's embarrassing
but also refreshing to recall the earnestness of those years, when you
thought you were free of the doggedness and tedium of high school, not yet
aware of the careerism and feudalism within the university system, when
you believed socio-economic status had no bearing on membership in an
intellectual elite.  If it's overly literary, it's because it's in the
characters.  And sometimes it's obvious enough to make you aware of the
posturing, as in the end rhymes in "Are You Ready To Be Heartbroken?".

I think of Lloyd Cole as very American.  There's the rootsy, blues element
in his music, the tales of cosmopolitan sophisticates with roots in
some midwestern town (I'm making this up, but it seems at least partially
true of "Four Flights Up" and "Why I Love Country Music"), the
out-of-place narrator in "Speedboat" (my feeling, based on stereotype, is
that if he were British, then he wouldn't be there, or he would be openly
antagonistic).   So maybe that's another reason not to take Lloyd Cole's
literariness at face value.  

Although he went to the University of Glasgow, Lloyd Cole is supposed to
be from Derbyshire and Sheffield, according to Peter Miller.  Someone in
B&S  mentioned that they held the press conference in London cos
Glaswegians don't go for that sort of thing.  Now I can hardly imagine
Lloyd Cole coming from such an environment or recognize any sign of its
influence on him.  Not with all those pin ups.  If there's anything for
which he should be criticized, it's for being too eager to please, too
available.  I can see why a friend of mind doesn't like the way he sings
in "Her Last Fling"; it's great to me, but for some, it might lack
restraint.  The exact opposite is true of B&S: the way Stuart sings, the
way they dealt with the press, etc.

I read that "Rattlesnakes" was influenced by Joan Didion, the song itself
by _Play It As It Lays_.  Somewhere on his web site (lloydcole.com), he
writes that "Easy Pieces" was influenced by Raymond Carver.  These writers
and others cited in his lyrics are mostly American.  Whereas B&S seem
particularly British in outlook (why they could be loosely compared to
the Smiths but LC couldn't; why LC couldn't completely carry off a song
like "James"), that is, when they aren't netherworldly (there's something
holy about Stuart). I don't think the mention of American writers in
"Le Pastie de la Bourgeoisie" is meant to be sympathetic, as those of Sid
James and Paula Wilcox are.  There's a level at which the speaker
identifies with the (anti-)heroine, but another at which he's mocking her
for putting on bourgeois airs, alone in her bedroom with the sort of
books young people read before going off to college.  

A common link might be the French New Wave, but I think of that more as
Isobel's pet interest.

Yours,
Youn

  


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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Tue Sep 12 21:24:23 2000
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:24:23 +0100
Subject: Sinister: I've Got A Rhoda & I'm Gonna Quote It
Message-ID: <000301c01cf7$780a1380$1846063e@default>

Hi All,

BEAUTY & THE BEANS
Your WH Smith correspondent here again, tearing himself away from checking
out the Liz Hurley, er, spread in GQ to bring you the news that the bumper
Winter anorak edition of MOJO features on pages 62-63 interviews with Isobel
(on her love for nouvelle vague) & Wee Chris (on his love for buying
records)

I can't be arsed to type it all out, so just one quote from her: "I'm a lot
better at watching films than I am at dealing with real life"

& one from him (on a record he feels compelled to play when DJing): "I Wanna
Be Like You from the Jungle Book soundtrack ... I've owned that record my
whole life and it's a hell of a tune."


BEAUTY & THE BEAST
Miss Vicky, get some garlic & a silver cross now! I have photographic
evidence of Count "Faggy But Dubious Taste In Men" Casarotto in vampiric
action at the post-picnic. Mark, can I send it to Moma Miel?


JUST BEAST
My daughter is very worried about my crush on a certain Scottish pop star


JUST BEAUTY
pp18-21 of Air Action features star self-taught aerobatic pilot Denny Dobson
& his beautiful aeroplane, but David's not allowed to go there ... :)


I've lost a ~ somewhere - can anyone help me find it?


LoOove,

David Moore
Chelmsford, UK

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From curled_up at xxx.com  Tue Sep 12 23:14:17 2000
From: curled_up at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?carey=20lander?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:14:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: mushy peas, Dale
Message-ID: <20000912221417.23003.qmail@web4201.mail.yahoo.com>

this is something i've tried so long to suppress. my
tongue is patterned with perforations, ive bitten it
so often. but i. just. cant . help. myself. must.
rant...

i dont know what it says about me but i always get a
bit obsessed with my jobs and my conversation, such as
it is, becomes weighed down with dull retail
references. this is taking it a bit further...
in a few sparkling weeks i am leaving my job in
tescos, the leading british supermarket, and running
off a bit far away to do something else maybe. so
before i go and wash away the pain of the last 11
months, i'd like to revel in the worst moments just a
little and offer some advice about how you, the
customer, can make your shopping experience less
traumatic for the foxy shelf-stacker girls in aisle 7.

just because im putting out the catfood doesnt mean i
want to know about your kittie's favourite meat.

just because i put out cous cous doesnt mean i know
what it is. im dumb

just because i work in a supermarket doesnt mean i'm
brainless and futureless.

dont ask stupid questions like "where's the milk?"
(its in the fridge durr) because im not allowed to
swear at you. which isnt fair

children, dont run. its dangerous and you bring out my
killer instincts. let me swat you!

men, dont do that stupid warbly whistling all round
the shop.and if you do dont stand with your hand on
your hip and do andrew loyd webber. its not ladylike.

ladies, dont use this time to chat to people you
havent seen for a while. you're fulfilling our gossip
stereotype and setting feminism back metres. or
something. and dont park your trolley sideways if you
must stop. or i'll barge you.

dont be bastards, when im carrying 24 Kgs of kitty
litter let me go first. im only small.

when i drop jars of curry on the floor and they smash
and make mess, dont stare and say things like "oo look
she's made a mess". it makes me blush. and want to
swear at you.

             every little helps

i hate it when posts turn into stand-up routines. and
im not speaking personally cos i dont post, you know?

 humour me. i cant do those muso conversations.

and i just know i'll regret it in the morning.



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From paularathoon at xxx.com  Wed Sep 13 00:16:23 2000
From: paularathoon at xxx.com (Paul Arathoon)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:16:23 BST
Subject: Sinister: eastern wailing
Message-ID: <LAW-F2753SOlbpH71yE00000186@hotmail.com>

well
I have been away for a month and done
holland
germany
slovenia
slovakia
czech republic
austria
croatia
hungry
france
italy
switzerland

belle and sebastian records were located in all but hungry
if anyonr wants to send me Lord Antony on minidisc they will be rewarded...
30p a pint in some countries......
drunk but stable
paul
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From Arigreen23 at xxx.com  Wed Sep 13 00:43:35 2000
From: Arigreen23 at xxx.com (Arigreen23 at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:43:35 EDT
Subject: Sinister: possible extra yo la tengo tickets for philly
Message-ID: <ab.72f066.26f019a7@aol.com>

hey all,
     I MIGHT have four extra tickets for the yo la tengo show in philly 
friday night....if you're interested please e mail me ASAP so I can dicide 
what I'm doing and possibly get them to whoever's interested.  I don't even 
know if the show sold out.  Thanks.

-Ari
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From alex.puck at xxx.com  Wed Sep 13 00:55:44 2000
From: alex.puck at xxx.com (Alex Puck)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:55:44 +0100
Subject: Sinister: webby wonders and poetic writings
Message-ID: <003f01c01d15$4a3ffc80$03357bd5@johnsteed>

Hello again!
Well, I thought I'd best pull my weight and actually post something again,
so here goes. Apologies for all the crappy bits but I've been designing a
web-page for my friend, who wants it to advertise his DJing skills, even
though he only plays charty-dancy stuff... and I'm tired.
So, I managed to sleep in to two today having been in the pub all night, and
thus missed my Jobseekers sign in time today; does anybody know what to do
or will the government just send out some 'heavies' to 'sort me out'? Also
spent loads of time writing silly poems, so my pitch for the new list
competition is that we all write a silly poem each, and the silliest gets a
prize. Well, it's worth a go...
I was a little disturbed by the Isobel debate; I think her contributions are
all really good, and they fit in quite well with the sound of the albums
that she sings on. And the Gentle Waves CD was quite good too. And she's
very pretty... (coff)
Anyhow...
Greg thought no-one read the entirety of messages to the list. Well, I did,
and I too now look with a different light on the policing forces of the
united kingdom!! Mush ado is a good play; I prefer A Midsummer Nights Dream
though. Does anyone else have a favourite Shakespeare they did at school or
am I going to win the 'very sad' award?!
Chris's obsession with not wearing clothes is rapidly becoming like a very
dodgy web-page, but much more entertaining! But who IS will Porter, and if I
were you Chris, I'd watch what you eat when you're naked... those burns can
look REALLY bad.
Lucy Alder's description of the picnic in oxford is still hauntingly
beautiful!! I know where she mean because I was there a few weeks back, and
I wished I lived in Oxford.
Amy Jackson's last post was also v. poetic.
And, er.. all my sympathy to Carey Lander. Tesco's can be a bitch, I know,
as I used to work in the bakery of our local one when I was a young A-Level
student. But that was a very cool little post!!
Joan, if you send me a mail in a week I should have both those songs, but my
scurrilous friend has my tape with all the B&S rarities on it, the
scoundrel... Only just got Rhoda, but it's really good.
Also, just read Fiona's post; Glad to see someone else here doesn't like
Manchester United. One of my friends insists they're all deities...
Well, all the best people, I hope everyone's having a nice autumn so far!!
Alex


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From rsudworth at xxx.com  Wed Sep 13 02:55:31 2000
From: rsudworth at xxx.com (richard sudworth)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 02:55:31 BST
Subject: Sinister: mushy peas, Dale
Message-ID: <LAW-F271xsD1Ty9CMdZ000003a6@hotmail.com>

Felt inspired by this shelf stacker post, particularly since i like to 
whistle in supermarkets.  oh and because i need something to do at 10 to 3 
in the morning. I was chatting to this strange boy about necrophillia in the 
Jeepster chat room but my computer obviously isn't open minded so decided to 
go mad and switch off, ah my long lost necrophilliac friend! You where there 
but now you're gone.

Anyway, supermarkets. They're my life.  So many interesting people and 
products.  I always go late at night to my local Sainsburys, either because 
I sleep all day or because the light looks so inviting late at night.  
Firstly there's the homeless guy outside.  He always asks for a snickers and 
a crunch corner. Last time I bought these for him he didn't like the flavour 
I got and so I haven't bought him one since. All the Crunch Corners are 
lovely, what kind of insanity does this man suffer? Now once I get inside 
there has to be a ritual. Next, examine the magazines. Usually its best to 
look at the current Face, just to wonder if its worth buying for the badges. 
  But no, �2.70 for a fashion special sucks, even if you do get an 'I hate 
Travis' badge.  Can't look at Top of the Pops magazine incase Steps get me 
over excited.

This is kind of dull. Not sure that describing what I do in the supermarket 
really speaks of my supermarket obsession. I just like wondering round and 
humming to myself.  Trying to work out peoples lives from their shopping is 
a good game.  Or the faces.  Everyone is equal through food shopping, even 
god probably has to buy his chick peas from somewhere.

So anyway, none of that came out in the poetic manner i meant it too so I'll 
give up. I sometimes wonder if I go to Sainsburys because it has the best 
looking shelf stackers, but it must be deeper than that.


rich.


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From johnny at xxx.net  Wed Sep 13 05:26:10 2000
From: johnny at xxx.net (Grant Bennett)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:26:10 -0500
Subject: Sinister: I'm a genius too, ya know!
Message-ID: <002101c01d3a$bf82c160$5f79b3d1@bongwatertaffy>


Hello, all.
 
I'm not much of a poster, and due to my vacation, I've not been much of 
 a reader, either.  I did catch some of the bits about Nader, et. al.  I 
 hope that I'm not trying to revive a dead horse/whore, but, here goes:
 
I'd like to encourage all American Sinisterines to visit the Libertarian 
 Party's webpage at http://www.lp.org  (This is completely biased.  I 
 recently joined the party.)  Check it out, and, if it suits you, contact
 your State's party chair.  If it doesn't suit you, feel free to flame 
 me, and my children, and my children's children.  For three months.  
 Heck, you un-American Sinisterines can check it out, too.  Without fear
 of being investigated by the un-American Activities Commission.
 
I think that's all I have to say right now.  Except that Belle and 
 Sebastian RAWK!!!!!!!
 
-- Grant

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From chrislampinen at xxx.com  Wed Sep 13 06:44:44 2000
From: chrislampinen at xxx.com (chris lampinen)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:44:44 EDT
Subject: Sinister: sad but beautiful
Message-ID: <F220fdzp4HgYA09iVhx00010727@hotmail.com>

Hello.

Today was a sad day.

Walking to class I was sure I was dreaming. Late and I hadn't done my work- 
abundant anxiety. My steps were hurried but for some reason my pace seemed 
slow. Couldn't move fast regardless of how hard I tried. No way I was going 
to make it on time.

So, the day was set to be shit.

But-

Then. I ran into an old crush of mine. We met a few months back in a park. 
She had an interest in B&S, so did I. First B&S fan I ever met. We totally 
clicked. I fell. Completely infatuated, lovesick before I knew her name. We 
spent the whole day together, watching the birds, chewing gum, smoking too 
many cigarettes...it was lovely. At least, until the Bad Thing happened.

I don't really need to go into the Bad Thing. The relevant information:

1) It tore us apart
2) I never thought I'd see her again because of it.

Well, I did.

She goes to my school, which I didn't know. I found her roaming the hallways 
alone, looking at the ground, seemingly lost in thought or despair (much 
like myself). I grabbed her shoulder and smiled. She smiled back.

We skipped our classes and went to her house. No one was home.

We sat on her bed chatting for a while. About life, about art, about 
everything. Of course, we both knew where it was all leading. Getting! it! 
awn!

She took my hand and leaned over to kiss me. I stopped her.

"What's wrong?" she asked.
"The mood..we need music." I replied.
"CD's...on the bookshelf. Please hurry.."
"No. I've got my own."

I took out a CD I had hidden in my backpack and showed it to her. She 
smiled. It was CD-R I made, entitled:
"Romantic B&S Songs for Sweet-Hearts"

She had no idea what was coming.

See, the case said "Romantic B&S Songs for Sweet Hearts," but the actual 
CD-R was my ULTIMATE DISCO PARTY MIX.

I set the volume on "ULTRA-HIGH!" when she wasn't looking and popped the CD 
in. I sat back down next to her on the bed, remote in my hand.

She leaned over to kiss me. I hit play.

THE DISCO BEATS STARTED BUMPING!

"AGHAGHAHGHHHHH!" I shouted.

Her jaw was nearly touching her chest. I'm sure I would have seen tears 
gently rolling down her cheeks onto her tongue had I been paying any 
attention. I wasn't though.

I WAS GETTING DOWN WITH MY BAD SELF!

"YEAH MAD DISCO PARTY IN THIS BIZNITCH!" I screamed. The neighbors were 
flocking to the windows.

"Chr-chr-christiaan?" the girl stuttered.
"TALK TO THE HAND IT'S DISCO TIME!"

She cried and I DANCED. Eventually she got enough nerve to kick me out.

I'm not rude, I left without a fight. When I got to the sidewalk I stripped 
to my undies and started singing S Club 7's bring it all back.

YEAH!

So it wasn't a bad day after all because I got to dance to my ULTIMATE DISCO 
PARTY MIX!! And sing S Club 7 outside in my undies!!

I am happy now! I hope you are too!!

x

Love,
Christiaan
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From NeoSleeze at xxx.com  Wed Sep 13 11:09:43 2000
From: NeoSleeze at xxx.com (NeoSleeze at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 06:09:43 EDT
Subject: Sinister: EP ramblings...
Message-ID: <ab.76f7ee.26f0ac67@aol.com>

Yeah well...
I was thinking about how they took that song  "Rhoda", one of my new faves 
off the "Lazy Line Painter Jane Ep" and replaced it with something else...
Eeeeeks! Was it....
"A Century of Elvis" I think I've listened to this thing like a couple 
times...
it's nothing special...
Ahhh my sweet "Rhoda" would be a lot better in that place...
Hmmmm or "You made me forget my dreams" It's a ok song I guess...
I don't listen to it much...
I just realized recently it had this really odd ending...

Soon enough maybe...
We'll have another EP at least...
"Legal Man" wasn't very satisfying...anyone else agree?
I isn't it like the highest ep on the charts they have had so far?
But geesh...
"Legal Man" is cute...
"Judy...."  is okay the end is kinda cute
"winter..." is kinda blah

I LOVE BELLE AND SEBASTIAN THOUGH!
Ciao!
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From polarmouse7 at xxx.uk  Wed Sep 13 11:51:04 2000
From: polarmouse7 at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?antti=20k?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:51:04 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: attention glasgow listees!
Message-ID: <20000913105104.16733.qmail@web3902.mail.yahoo.com>

	
greetings dear folks!

i decided to come out of the shadows of lurkerdom cos
i'm coming to glasgow on the 25th of september, and
i'll be there for ten day. i'll probably pop to
edinburgh sometime too. and to the countryside.

it's me summer holiday, you see. in late september!.
it also my first time in scotland.

so, if anyone would like show me around, or simply
give suggestions where to go (record stores, book
stores, clubs, pubs whatever), or invite me for a
pint,
please do. i dont trust the travel guides anymore. ;)

and if i've understood correctly, there is also a
radiohead gig (two gigs?) in glasgow. and that the
amazing, brilliant, etc. sigur-ros are the support
act.
me asks the big question: are there still tickets
available?!



oh, i had me first b&s dream a while ago! maybe i'll
tell you about it later. it's a long story... 

and, i finally heard loneliness of a middle-distance
runner (along w/ paper boat and lord anthony). today
i'd say it the finest, most beautiful and stunning b&s
song.
ever. (cheers to david white and his website.)


love and woolly jumpers

antti (hailing from sunny but chilly finland)


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From jordiet at xxx.com  Wed Sep 13 11:56:54 2000
From: jordiet at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano)
Date: 13 Sep 2000 10:56:54 +0000
Subject: Sinister: I need a Felt article
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From amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk  Wed Sep 13 13:09:35 2000
From: amy_jackson0 at xxx.uk (amy_jackson0)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:09:35 +0100
Subject: Sinister: rivers of stardust and golden spray/smut
Message-ID: <001501c01d7b$9d406580$5d1d3c3e@tinypc>

have you ever noticed how just when you think everything is going really
well something happens to knock all that down?

or how when someone you love is upset, it upsets you more because you don't
totally know how to make them happier?

stuff like this has been bothering me recently.

i recently re-discovered FISHYCLAP and i adore "waiting for the moon to
rise" more and more each time i listen to it.  it's on repeat play
constantly.  it reminds me of when it's been raining all day and the sun
peeps
out from behind a hill and streams through the rain in the air then it stops
raining?  and although the light it weaker than normal and watery, it fills
every dark piece of the land and dries up all the rain.  like when someone
smiles just after they've been crying. that sort of beauty.  i love it.  by
the
way, it was sung and written by dear little Sarah, as far as i know....

i'm reading harry potter and the goblet of fire.  my brother made me promise
to read it.  at first, i had mixed opinions, i thought it was just a daft
wee kids book, but now i love it, it's so funny and makes me wish i was
magic too.  being a muggle is crap.

i should hopefully be going to see monica queen at the 13th note soon, if i
find out what date it is for definite and find some ppl to tag along with.
:)

it's one week until i move to glasgow.  scared does not cover how i'm
feeling at the moment.  more like cold sheer terror.  if you see a tall
brown haired girl with a long beige cord coat (complete with sinister
style badges) and a rucksack with a b&S patch on it, feel free to say
hi.  i don't bite.  much. ;)

i sent away for fake i.d today.  as i'll only be 17 in october, i didn't
want
to be refused entry to places every time i go out, so now i feel all devious
and cheeky. ~raises one eyebrow mischievously~
it better arrive soon though.  my mam doesn't know i've sent
for it and if she finds it she might not be pleased.  she'll probably laugh
actually, but better to be on the safe side, non?

merci et bon nuit,
madamemoiselle amy
x x x

soundtrack to this post:  my friend laura on tape, playing "the heart asks
pleasure first" (theme to "the piano" film) note perfect on the piano.
beautiful.

ps... can someone tell me where there are some kool indie clubs in glasgow
that play b&s?

pps... smut.  one of my "friends" from my old school called me "bunnyf*cker"
today.  why, i do not know, but it made me giggle. princess honey, was that
smutty enough for you?





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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Wed Sep 13 15:27:11 2000
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:27:11 +0200
Subject: Sinister: I Send You This Cadmium Rod
Message-ID: <002d01c01d8e$d39fca40$fb97243e@itjfvkli>

Well it's a good job we don't need petrol to talk shite about the Beatles,
that's all I can say. My favourite Beatle is the legendary fifth Beatle,
Stuart Little. I don't think we should scoff at bakers. Lots of musicians
give up their musical careers in favour of security, family, etc. It doesn't
make them any less talented. I wish I had a pound for every time I've read
"such and such is no longer involved in the music business" in soul and
reggae sleevenotes. Some people even end up rummaging through dustbins for
their dinner, and some people become mentally ill, without the dubious
fanfare surrounding Brian Wilson's spectacular fall from grace.

I have a confession to make. I have been unkind to Lloyd Cole. Bass players
soak their hands in pish, eh? It takes all sorts. I still think Lloyd Cole
is the Lenny Kravitz of jangle pop, and some of those early photos look
decidedly new romantic, but I was wrong to imply he wasn't entertaining. He
certainly entertained me. I think I probably turned against him because he
wasn't 4 REAL enough, which is a bit silly. Also that turtle neck song was a
bit duff. His website's quite witty though. I didn't make that stuff about
Derbyshire and Sheffield up, presumably he was born in Debyshire and moved
to Sheffield at an early age. I was just trying to make it all sound a bit
more psychedelic. I could be getting him mixed up with Simon Groom. Do
girls' mothers still drive 2CVs, or have they all been scrapped? That was a
really cruel song to unleash on impressionable schoolboys.

I hope you're all going to join Jordi's list. Not only do we get Jeepster
news, we get DISTRIBUTOR news! And David Moore!

Am I the only person waiting for a Northern Soul video update? I know where
you can get it from, if anyone's interested:

The Strange World of Northern Soul (video, CD and booklet by Ian Levine):
01543 304022 (39.99).

I got that from Too Darn Soulful: The Story of Northern Soul (book by David
Nowell), which is an interesting read. No wonder Beans laughed.

Peter

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From mark_e_hester at xxx.com  Wed Sep 13 16:30:56 2000
From: mark_e_hester at xxx.com (Mark Hester)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:30:56 BST
Subject: Sinister: I Send You This Cadmium Rod
Message-ID: <F249Ki3s1wsXZZTHfyQ0000ac8e@hotmail.com>

Peter Miller wrote:
>Well it's a good job we don't need petrol to talk shite about the Beatles,

which reminded me of the record review section of a magazine I acquired in 
Austin, TX where the albums were awarded stars thus:

***** John
**** Paul
*** George & Ringo
** Pete Best & Stu Sutcliffe
* Yoko

>Do girls' mothers still drive 2CVs, or have they all been scrapped?

dunno.  And the only song lyric I can think of featuring a 2CV is
"Come fly with me in my 2CV
We're gonna get ourselves a bottle of wine
Then head off back to my penthouse flat
And I'll show you a real good time"

now, how many of you remember *that*?


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From rob_brennan at xxx.uk  Wed Sep 13 18:51:18 2000
From: rob_brennan at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Brennan?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:51:18 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: with a beard and a tea cosy on my head
Message-ID: <20000913175118.29966.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com>

Poor old Badly Drawn Boy.  Career on the up-and-up,
looked like nothing could stop him then suddenly
*BAMM!!* the Mercury Award kiss of death.  

"And whomever shall receive thee bizarre trinket and
mighty cheque of Merecurie shall be feted to languish
in thee gutter for none less than two years" - (The
Necronomicon of P!O!P)

Oh well - nice while he lasted.  At least 3 people
have told me I look like that Damon Gough - let them
crush votes roll in.

Carey complained:
"men, dont do that stupid warbly whistling all round
the shop.and if you do dont stand with your hand on
your hip and do andrew loyd webber. its not ladylike."

But that's half the fun of it!

I'll get me coat.

Robster


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From silmaril at xxx.gr  Wed Sep 13 22:35:07 2000
From: silmaril at xxx.gr (Joan of Dark)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:35:07 +0300
Subject: Sinister: Ummm...the most stupid of posts...or how your email program can make a 
 complete fool out of you.
Message-ID: <39BFF30B.92503907@stargate.gr>

Well.......ehhhhmmmmm........*cough*

Hi again....I'm so sorry to bother you all with this but my email
account seems to be going through some very serious self-inflicted
psychological traumas.This morning I suddenly realised that all my inbox
was deleted (maybe my brother being mad at me has something to do with
that as well....)Still, the fact remains that I've lost everything in
it, along with the posts of the people that had responded to my previous
post's ("waiting for the leaves to fall") requests.Thankfully I had read
them all last night but had left some of them unanswered, so that I
would have something nice to do when I would wake up in the morning
.Having to answer my mail in the morning while having  breakfast at my
desk is one of my favourite moments of the day.

So, the ones that had written to me and still haven't received a reply,
could you-PLEASE-email me again???I mean, -please-....
I know all this must sound really silly  but I there's no other way I
can contact you if you don't drop me a line again....

other things that happened today....

I saw my best friend, whom I hadn't seen for almost three
months....Almost didn't recognise her, brought her "fyhcywlap" for her
birthday ( it was on the 8th of August but never mind...) We turned the
lights out and sat on the floor  near the window, the only light in the
room was the light from the lampost outside.We talked and talked for
hours; remembered things that would have better been forgotten, some
very unfortunate moments of the past, tried to bridge the gap.Things had
been quite rocky this year for both of us and our relationship went
through a lot.We had almost stopped speaking to each other.Still, she's
my best of friends.She knows almost everything about me, she doesn't
agree with some aspects of my personality, but I know she cares and
worries although she doesn't show it.I can forgive her about almost
everyhting I guess...I can't do otherwise.It hurts so much inside not
being able to be with someone you care so much about, knowing that
things have got between you.Please never let selfishness stand in your
way.I've seen what it's like and believe me it's not worth the pain it
causes to both sides.If you know that something is important for you
just, don't let it slip away just because of some passing whim.... Say
"I'm sorry" from your heart and things might get unexpectedly
better..... (I'm trying to exorcise my own feelings, thoughts and deeds
here I guess...I may  not be making much sense, in this case I'm sorry,
but anyone who might had been through a similar situation can perhaps
see behind my words...)

We went out afterwards..-or was it before??-...I can't
remember.....ahh....it's no good....my mind's getting numb.......We
would just go for a walk down the city centre or something......She wore
her smart little dress with the mauve flowers pattern and heeled shoes
and held her little black handbag....while I was wearing my flared jeans
and worn out sneakers, my hair was a mess and my cheeks had little
downward streams from the tears I'd cried....so there we are: it was
-after-the talk we've had....I had my army rucksack with the big "belle
and sebastian" on, and the little Snoopy pin.She's has long blond hair
and reminds me of Sarah.She's sweet and doesn't feel awkward to dress
well . I have short black hair and remind me of...myself .I'm bitter and
can't  dress well even when I have to.But when I sat on the pavement
while we were waiting for the bus she came and sat next to me on the
sad,cold cement.With her smart little dress with the mauve flowers
pattern , her high-heeled shoes, her cool nail varnish and eyeshadow and
all....She's my friend.I can't let her go.......

The bus turned 'round the corner......


Take care, not only of yourself........

Love,

Joanna


..................."Pain's playing yoyo in my body as we
speak.".................................

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From wilska at xxx.net  Wed Sep 13 22:40:32 2000
From: wilska at xxx.net (Emily Wilska)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:40:32 -0700
Subject: Sinister: astronomy will have to be revised
Message-ID: <37C3476607141849A65191FB44C1D5730FE11C@svc-msg-03.northamerica.corp.microsoft.com>

So, right then.

*I'M GONNA BREAK THE RULES FOR SIX-POINT-THREE SECONDS* (avert your eyes!
nothing to see here!)

I simply had to write and say, "Vive la morte de la Beatles debate!"  Yes,
yes, say of me what you will, and hurl things at me when my back is turned,
and put chewed-up gum on chair in hopes that I'll sit on it--just please,
PLEASE, do not revive the minutiae-laden discussion of the band.  I've spent
the last week going all glassy-eyed and slack-jawed whenever the words J**n,
P**l, or R***o appear in a message, and my down-arrow and Delete keys are
getting overused.

*BECOMING A LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN AGAIN* (there but for the grace of Honey go
I)

It's a ridiculously grey day here in San Francisco.  Our "summer" (I use the
term loosely) comes in September and October, and it's been rather crap thus
far, so I've rebelled by spending some time tooling about in the collection
of listees' photos.  (That'll show the weather, now, won't it??)  Who know
that there were so many lovely boys in our midst?  I surely didn't, but am
most pleased to discover that this is indeed the case.  And what with all
the recent chatter about nakedness, you know,...

Shall stop there before I teeter toward (or over) the edge of
inappropriateness.

The various Tales of Picnic(k)ing circulating around the list as of late
have made me agree with Ms. Santa Cruz, Margo Schubert, that we Northern
Californians should put down our Odwallas/Cosmopolitans/Your Drink of Choice
Here-s for a moment or two and motivate to gather together in the name of
all things, um, picnic-y.  Won't you join the fun??

My friend Noel, whom I trust completely in matters such as these, claims
that our pals Godspeed You Black Emperor are making their way to the City by
the Bay on 10/30 and 10/31, which fills me with glee.  If we can't witness
the glory that is a live performance by a multi-part band of fabulousness
from Scotland, we can damn well witness the glory that is a live performance
by a multi-part band of fabulousness from Canada.  Are you with me,
Comrades?

I think I see the sun.

-emily



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From catslittleempire at xxx.com  Wed Sep 13 22:57:30 2000
From: catslittleempire at xxx.com (Cat Franklin)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:57:30 GMT
Subject: Sinister: my first post....
Message-ID: <F106KShPdHfKsp3MSi6000097e8@hotmail.com>

Hello all you gorgeous people.

This is another first post (where are all these new people coming 
from......?), so be gentle with me.

vodkabird at gurlmail.com wrote:
>One of life's mysteries n'est-ce pas, like the toast and butter thing.

Toast will always land butter side down because the height of most tables 
(or a plate held in hand), the weight of a slice of bread etc means that 
when toast is dropped it only has time to do half a flip before hitting the 
floor, hence it will always land butter side down. It's amazing the things 
you can learn from your dad. It's amazing that I can remember that, it 
having been ten years and a failed physics alevel behind me.

Jason Andreas wrote:
>SITTING DOWN AT A GIG IS UNNATURAL!!!

Does that count sitting on the floor in local indie pub to watch a possibly 
great band cos my feet can't take the abuse? I do try to look indie and cute 
and twee and not get trodden on by pissed up rock kids while I'm sat there.

....... Why has hotmail put all my mail in reverse order, so I think I've 
missed some posts, but really I haven't? Bastards........

I've been coerced into seeing Paul Jones of the dad-friendly Manfred Mann at 
Birmingham's own Ronnie Scott's tomorrow night. Two ickle questions, (a) am 
I making a huge mistake, would I be better off staying home to watch Buffy, 
and (b) are any of you lot going? I really just wanted to go to the 
legendary Ronnie Scott's before I leave Birmingham in favour of the 
University of Wolverhampton in a week or so, and my best friend booked the 
tickets. She promises he'll be good, but I don't trust her - she doesn't own 
any B&S.

Lemon lolly-pops,
Cat xxxxx

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From LunaLilly at xxx.com  Wed Sep 13 23:01:21 2000
From: LunaLilly at xxx.com (LunaLilly at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:01:21 EDT
Subject: Sinister: by the light of the fridge
Message-ID: <4f.c0e03e.26f15331@aol.com>

hi.

   I really am in no mood for writing. But tomorrow I leave for 3 weeks. 
Anyway....first things first...can anyone tell me of some nice indie rock 
clubs in London or Cornwall? Or even Birmingham? It would be so sweet of you 
if you could. Is anyone on this list French and going to see Elliott Smith in 
Montpellier? If you do and you see a girl with short black hair and quite 
pale skin and black rimmed glasses standing with a very pretty girl with long 
black hair and a very handsome young man....that's me and you should come say 
hi.
Today I had to go get my drivers license renewed as I am turning 20 in about 
2 weeks....and this 16 year old kid was there getting his for the first 
time....and he was adorable....very lovely and I so wanted to ask him if he 
like Belle and Sebastian or anything like that. But I chickened out badly. 
It's so refreshing to hear about or see 15 and 16 year old kids...breaking 
the mold of suburban clones. I am also enchanted with this boy who lives 
ofcourse in Seattle which is half way across the country from little old 
Omaha. 
OK...so I am leaving.....but I am so sad about the gas wars. What a sad way 
to start a trip.  I will be keeping my eyes open for the Sinister people. Our 
indie rock show here played String Bean Jean which is my fav! Has anyone 
heard of Snailhouse? Buy it if you haven't.
Love, Olivia
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From vodkabird at xxx.com  Wed Sep 13 23:30:08 2000
From: vodkabird at xxx.com (vodkabird at xxx.com)
Date: 13 Sep 2000 18:30:08 -0400
Subject: Sinister: by the light of the fridge
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From radiationgirl21 at xxx.com  Thu Sep 14 01:46:05 2000
From: radiationgirl21 at xxx.com (radiation girl)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:46:05 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Me & the Major don't know where....
Message-ID: <F32SwHUAwqJbLMHOp6F00009b25@hotmail.com>

Hey sinister -

It's been a while, but I was wondering if somebody living in the UK could 
give me an idea of some prices - some b&s content here.

B&S CONTENT
-----------
My friend is currently in Europe and she is going to buy me a uk release of 
"legal man" single and some new doc martens as my old ones have a hole in 
the sole due to my old flatmate wearing them to work (she still owes me lots 
of money - don't you hate that?)  I'm in OZ so I'll have to almost triple 
our currency anyway, but if you could drop me a line it would be much 
appreciated.

OLYMPIC CONTENT
---------------
I would just like to add that we are SOOOOO bored with the olympics.  Here 
in Adelaide we have a big clock (left over from new years) counting the 
days, hours mins and seconds til the opening ceremony.  Lame?  I think 
so....  However, I guess it is a bit exciting now it's so close, just so we 
can quit listening to all the transport and venue complaints and get on with 
it.  There are also many nice looking sporting teams staying in adelaide at 
the moment, including the russian diving team, and the dutch football team, 
right across the road from my work in the hilton hotel.  You would not 
believe how much security they have there!  We have to get our bags scanned 
like at the airport, just to go into the bar for lunch.  Roll on cute 
men.....

Thanks for the time,

Juliya

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From elizabeth.daplyn at xxx.uk  Thu Sep 14 02:38:27 2000
From: elizabeth.daplyn at xxx.uk (Elizabeth Daplyn)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 02:38:27 +0100
Subject: Sinister: From Heraklion with love
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From kpc98c at xxx.UK  Thu Sep 14 03:42:25 2000
From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 03:42:25 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The buoy's where the large raft's strapped
Message-ID: <200009140239.DAA01274@missprint.org>

Hello,

Carey Lander said:
"men, dont do that stupid warbly whistling all round
the shop.and if you do dont stand with your hand on
your hip and do andrew loyd webber. its not ladylike."

Hmm.. I must admit that I'm an avid warbly whistler myself, what's worse 
I am also a boy-trolley-racer and yes I do powerslide my trolley round 
corners...

But, but but if I have put stuff in my trolley (with lowered suspension 
and alloy wheelcaps of course) that I later decide that I don't want, I 
always put it back where it belongs rather than leaving it on any old 
shelf.  See I can be a good boy too! :)

Okay maybe I just do that to have an excuse to wheelspin my trolley around 
the supermarket... hehehe.


Peter Miller said:
"Well it's a good job we don't need petrol to talk shite about the Beatles,
that's all I can say. My favourite Beatle is the legendary fifth Beatle,
Stuart Little"

The fifth Beatle is my favourite beatle too, but I always thought George Best 
is supposed to be the fifth beatle?!  And I bet no one knows that Isobel 
was the slickest footballer you'd ever see!  She used to train Sturan and 
this is why he kicked arcs at ATP.  Unfortunately she's now dogged by 
alcoholism, if you don't believe me..

1) She directed the legal man video!  Did you see the amount of alcohol 
featured?? Huh? Huh?  Still not convinced?
2) Remember the B&S TOTP appearence?  Any idea why Isobel looked all spaced 
out?  Bet you didn't know how many bottles of whiskeys she downed beforehand.

So there we are, Isobel is actually George Best, but with disguises such 
as headscarves, blonde hair and tweeness.  Plus sideburn removal.

Enough silliness for now hehe I'm on my bike, hmm actually it's a trolley :)
phroooooom... (ken speeds off)

Boy racer Shopping trolleys and Red Bulls!
Ken
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From sgazzetti at xxx.com  Thu Sep 14 04:14:02 2000
From: sgazzetti at xxx.com (sgazzetti)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:14:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: If You're Feeling Lazy Fold Your 3.6.9 Strap Tiger, You Walk Like a Legal Line-Painter on Wheels
Message-ID: <20000914031402.20923.qmail@web3005.mail.yahoo.com>

Yeah, the New York picnic was blrrbrll! What  fun it was, though, as is
customary in posts of this nature, I have to include the obligatory "wish
I had been more sociable" bit. But still, the folks I did meet were all
shiny and sparkly and nice, and I am sure that all the others were the
same--I should have gone around a bit more, rather than confining myself
to the exotic Asian fruits section. I have to give a special thanks to the
not-noticeably-inebriated Julie for posting such fine phallocentric
directions, without which I'd've spent the day wandering the Great Lawn
looking for cardie-wearers, not bloody likely with the hot weather we had.
And to commend Oon for actually getting up from her deep sleep to come
over and very outgoingly introduce herself to our little Asian fruit
subgroup, as well as offering some well-heeded advice regarding mixing and
lemon vodka and durian/lychees. And while on that topic again I need to
apologize for the Durian Debacle. I had really heard great things about
it. As it thawed the odor worsened, if that sounds possible to those who
were brave enough to try it while still semi-frozen (the durian, not the
people). But something exciting happened later: the special bamboo durian
spatula I brought just for the occasion took on a smell less like bad
onion/jockstrap/rotting flesh over the course of the evening, and
presently came to smell like almonds, vanilla, and butterscotch. As well
as a faint hint of durian, unfortunately. Still, sorry. I promise not to
bring durian to any more picnics, ever. In fact, maybe we should issue a
general B&S moratorium on durian.
One other thing, NY picnickers: I was instructed by Miss L. Llew to act as
her ambassador, proffering her regrets, etc, at not being able to attend
(though it is my understanding that she ne regrette rien, really) and I
entirely forgot to speak for her, so appalled was I by the ungodly durian
stench.
Another reason I have for posting now, non-picnic-related, is about the
whole tautology thread of last month. I have finally gotten the answers to
the riddles, aided at the eleventh hour ("but these go to eleven") by
really very specific hints from the friend who originally posed the riddle
(who, by the way, is not on the list, but saw in the archives that Nick
Dastoor had said:
>I'd say your friend isn't half as clever as you think and the oxymoron is
probably 'Summer in winter, winter in springtime' after all.>
She was not all that pleased at hearing how half-clever she apparently
is--smart enough I guess to coax drosophilae to sprout wings while
simultaneously chatting on Jeepy in the laboratory. For those who ever
were and/or still are interested in the riddle, here are her clues:
>looking for one oxymoron and a tautology in an ocean of lyrics isn't very
easy. So... hints... the oxymoron is on an ep; and the tautology, on an
lp. the tautology is in the title song of an lp, in fact...The oxymoron is
in a song about a girl who probably appears in more B&S songs than any
other. In one song, she has been abused, in another she is kissing men,
and finally, she learned alot from putting on a blindfold. The song with
the oxymoron is none of these, but it is all about this particular
character>
Good hints, eh? So soon I'll post her answers, though I imagine that with
these clues anyone/everyone who might possibly still give a tinker's cuss
about this will have sussed out the answers. Armed with these clues it
took me about  seven minutes, perfectly stationary, to succeed, as opposed
to many hours, covering 436 miles, to fail entirely. By the way, another
friend at the picnic, not too familiar with IYFS, thought the tautology
might well be "me and the midget don't see eye to eye." I think that that
one belongs firmly filed under "lemon-vodka-enhanced entertaining
mishearings."

Thanks again, NYC picnic organizers/attenders and durian tryers!
JD Stephens/schatz


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From sebastian at xxx.com  Thu Sep 14 04:48:38 2000
From: sebastian at xxx.com (pedro simões)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:48:38 -0700
Subject: Sinister: trolleys and Perry Blake
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From dunbare at xxx.net  Thu Sep 14 05:01:17 2000
From: dunbare at xxx.net (Ewan Dunbar)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:01:17 EDT
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <200009140401.AAA29283@titan.golden.net>


well, first off, those clues about the tautology and the oxymoron
narrowed it down and I found what may be the answers fairly quickly; for
the tautology, "lewd and lascivious" from The Boy, and for the oxymoron,
"They let Lisa go blind/The world was at her feet and she was looking
down", which I see as an oxymoron because she obviously wasn't LOOKING
anywhere.  I could be right, wrong, silly, dreaming, etc. but I like
those answers.

anyway, there is a Modest Mouse concert in Toronto on monday, and
provided I can come up with a plan which satisfies my mother (she is the
one with a credit card) by tomorrow, I should be going. the trouble came
when I told her I had a math test tuesday morning. humph. the bus and
the train don't come back to stratford until the next morning, so I'll
have to ask more people if they can drive tomorrow. everyone I asked up
to now said they either couldn't drive, did drive but didn't have their
license, or couldn't drive monday night. so I'll look harder! or no
modest mouse, which would be bad, because not too long after I heard of
them for the first time on this list I found out they would be in
toronto on the 18th. aughh.

I was going to say something else... I'm pretty sure it was not about
Keith Secola, but I thought I would bring him up; he's a native american
(although I always feel kinda weird using the proper politically correct
term because native american persons so often use the term "indian" and
canada still has a Ministry of Indian Affairs, don't they? no problem
with convention, I don't actually think they are from india or
anything...) ... anyway, he is a native american artist (in this case I
mean musician) who sounds sorta kinda leonard cohenish, and I think
everyone should at least hear "indian cars" because it is a cool song.
that's not what I was going to say. I can't remember. darn. anyway.
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From dunbare at xxx.net  Thu Sep 14 05:07:14 2000
From: dunbare at xxx.net (Ewan Dunbar)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:07:14 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Oh dear
Message-ID: <200009140407.AAA29634@titan.golden.net>


Ahem... this is silly of me to post again... but I just wanted to express
my feeling of Oh Dear since I forgot to put a title on that last post.
that might actually wreak havoc with... something... maybe... anyway, I
apologize. I was going to think of one after, then I forgot. you are
free to put a title on it though, as it would likely be better than the
{} that was coming up in my mind...
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From wmh74 at xxx.com  Thu Sep 14 07:49:19 2000
From: wmh74 at xxx.com (William Harris)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:49:19 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Gawking once again
Message-ID: <F282Zb3cbR9OL7UkXqJ0000a021@hotmail.com>

Comrades,

It's been some time since I've posted. I was rather upset that no one picked 
up on my whole Orwellian theory about our names slowly changing into our 
e-mail names. I looked once, twice... nope, no one seemed to care a jot that 
my name might become wmh74 or that you also might possess a particularly 
ungainly name. So I decided to just leer at you all. If you've felt a 
prickly sensation on the back of your neck lately, that's me. Glowering and 
wearing a black duster in the shadows. Oh, I know where you all live... and 
Llew, you really should do some more dusting in the corners of your bedroom. 
I almost contracted black lung disease hanging out there.

Actually, I've just moved from Chicago to Seattle. The drive out was 
terrific and lonely. There's nothing like the empty sky of the Great Plains 
to make one feel small and terribly still inside. I suppose that's what 
drove the folks of Mitchell, South Dakota to build and maintain the Fabulous 
and Gawdy Corn Palace. They needed to make their insides giddy with 
something. I listened to belle and sebastian only a little bit on the trip 
I'm afraid to admit. That's the only real b&s content I can serve up here. 
Anyway, any Seattle folks should send a little note to me at my e-mail 
address: wmh74 at hotmail.com  I'll write back if you don't seem like your one 
of those thugs who's going around beating up all those white gents here. 
Yes, I will. Perhaps we can even get a picnic or something going before the 
slate-like winter.

I'll keep this short so I can get back to my gawking.

The slack-jawed yokel,

Bill

PS--Was watching the Flying Circus tonight and saw the episode where Ringo 
is hanging out on a sofa at the very end and the character that Michael 
Palin plays that starts out all the shows by simply saying, "It's..." and 
then they start the whole animation thing... you know, the one with the long 
beard and the raggedy clothes...yeah him. He comes out and sits down and 
then the end credits run and then he head-locks Ringo. Well, it was funny. 
Far better than my description. I just thought I'd throw that in there b/c 
of the whole beatles debate. Whether he was the best drummer or not... 
whatever. He was the funniest looking one and that counts for something.
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From Macarthur at xxx.com  Thu Sep 14 11:35:48 2000
From: Macarthur at xxx.com (Erica MacArthur)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:35:48 +0100
Subject: Sinister: It's a one way ticket to a mad man situation
Message-ID: <000301c01e37$c42a1260$6a64063e@com>

Dear List,

I'm disappointed this Petrol-hugging campaign isn't going to turn into a
full-on civil war - I was quite looking forward to stocking the attic with
Spam and condensed milk, and joining a troop of dancing girls with sequinned
bodices to keep the ranks happy. I suppose it wouldn't quite be Blitz 2000
if we were fighting amongst ourselves.

Myself and friend Hannah Doll have decided we are Style Fascists.* We are
right, and you are wrong, that's the spirit! We are the Plastic Mafia and
we're coming atcha. When we get our act together, that is. There are so many
things we said we'd do, last summer we were ready to take on the world,
these days we just bemoan it. I'm Eighteen in less than a month and I haven'
t achieved a single thing, and that's intensely depressing.

As we walked over a Motorway bridge in Stevenage to the cinema last night,
my boy comments that in the City he sees nothing but opportunity, but out in
the Sticks, all he can see is a Full Stop - but he's so wrong, because we're
going to get out of here, I'm going to get out of here, and I'm going to
show everyone a thing or two, I just have to indulge the system for one more
year.

The Sugarbabes single is brilliant, buy it! It's a shame they're called the
Sugarbabes, really, as I really like the cut of their jib.

I empathise with Carey's wrath for the retail trade. Some of you might
remember I'm employed in Mrs Moy's (or, as we like to call her, Meanie Moy)
Sweet Shop, and have no end of fun overcharging customers and rubbing the
names off the reserved magazines. Recently, a man strode into the Sweet Shop
and asked for a Map of Bedfordshire and a pint of milk. I mean, really!

I'm back by the way. Hello.

Erica
x

*You haven't been contributing to the Sinister Your Slip Is Showing Gallery
recently and myself a certain Miss Honey are entirely ashamed of you. Let's
get this a go-go.

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From chrislampinen at xxx.com  Fri Sep 15 03:31:10 2000
From: chrislampinen at xxx.com (chris lampinen)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:31:10 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Is it hot in here or did I just walk into the room? I just walked into the room.
Message-ID: <F228lCPx33E1ioWwr2U0000d2b7@hotmail.com>

x!

Someone mentioned fashion. Well, I can't resist.

Today I decided to make myself look nice for class. I'd love to go into 
detail as to what I was wearing, but I know some of you (yes, you know who 
you are..) would get all hot and bothered and end up having to take a 
shower, and being the nice fellow I am, I'll hold back for the sake of you 
poor souls.

This will be sufficient: I was by far the best dressed and most attractive 
person on campus today. How do I know this, you ask? Research.

I knew I was looking really fucking sexy when I woke up this morning so I 
went to school a couple hours early and scoped everyone else out. I spent an 
hour or two walking this way and that, looking at random people and thinking 
"Hm, if I am a ten, which I am, he/she is...around
-123981283." As I've already told some of you, I had to smoke a lot and eat 
junk food in order to keep myself from reaching perfection and negating 
existance. Yes, you're welcome-- I love you too.

Everyone was eyeing me. The girl's were swooning, the gayist's eyes were 
full of lust, and the straight boys were trying to pretend they weren't 
staring in envy (which they certainly were). I was looking at my reflection 
on the door and saw no fewer than many sets of eyes locked on my sexy self. 
I put a little hip-swiveling into my step just to rub it in.

As we all know by now, I have great hips.

Unfortunately, I am all look, no touch. Well, unless you're a certain listee 
with my crush vote *ahem*.

Oh, yes, this *is* a B&S list. So, let us discuss those fine brits!

I've devised a scale for rating sexiness. 0 is Carnie Wilson, 10 is me. This 
is how the band fared:

Stuart M: 5
Rest of Band: 1

And some random people I fancy:

Chan Marshall: 9
Me: 10 and then some

Now.

I'd love to stay and chat so more (because I love you all so very dearly) 
but I do believe I've had a rather long day. I'm exhausted. Besides, if I 
sleep November 8 will come faster. At least, it better.

I hope you all are lovely, for if my reflection is any reflection, I surely 
am.

Love,
Christiaan

PS: A call to arms for a few of you to post:

Porter Power: GO!
Marie Madness: GO!
Erica Ecstasy: GO! (again!)
Carey Crassness: GO!
McMcMc McStruction: GO!

Grab your keyboards, comrades-- start a revolution!! And then-- Let Us Eat 
Snacks!!

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From cellophanesky at xxx.com  Fri Sep 15 07:32:48 2000
From: cellophanesky at xxx.com (Brian Pennington)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:32:48 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Sergeant Twee Is Going to Help Me
Message-ID: <a04320401b5e76b242f42@[63.17.241.179]>

Hello Sinisterines,
	Today I returned from New York. I was supposed to return from 
it yesterday but I missed a plane. Very stressful experience, that. 
So I caught a very early flight and slept through the Trembling Blue 
Stars Peel Session and a Very Important Phone Call. The phone call I 
can call back about, even though it was from people who are thinking 
of paying me money to do things on a regular basis, but the TBS Peel 
Session is truly a loss. Maybe someone recorded it...
	Mr. Pinefox has asked some questions of me. I will answer 
them in the form of a story. Here goes...

	THE CAST

	RHODA: A craftswoman who makes the most fantastic oaken 
desks, she spends her days at work and her nights clubbing. Her 
darkest secret: she is really only six years old, despite what her ID 
says. Her favorite drink: vodka with an orange juice chaser. She's 
not as young as she looks, but whoever is in this day and age, in 
this day and age? Or at least that's what she tells admirers, or 
people who listen to her song.

	NAPSTER: A sagely Durian, he is a postman whose personality 
is as prickly as the spines on his gourdlike body. He spends his 
spare time surprising people by dropping from trees. His favorite 
drink: 7 and 7. Also, he tastes like an onion, only worse. So I am 
told, anyway.

	MP3: The world's dullest robot, MP3 (or empee three as he is 
referred to more commonly) is an engineer who makes bridges. In his 
spare time he sighs a lot and bores people to death by talking about 
bridgebuilding minutiae. He's also very fond of the Dave Brubeck 
Trio. He also has a short barrel-looking sidekick who speaks in 
clicks and whirs, and whose name is DBT, or Deebee Tee. His favorite 
drink: oil can.

	There are some more supporting castmembers, but this has 
already gone too far. For the record I didn't eat any durian at the 
New York Pick Nick, but I was very curious as to their proper 
spelling, and now I know. Nevertheless, it was a lot of fun. I still 
need to get the pictures out of my camera, actually.
	A random pink-haired girl knocked on Megan and Julie's door 
while we were in their dormitory room, and she was on a quest for 
pulp products (not to be confused with Pulp products). She saw my B&S 
shirt and asked when they were going to tour again. So if any members 
of B&S are listening, your casual non-Sinister-cardholding members 
are starting to get restless. Best do a tour of duty to keep the 
troops' morale up, like Yamamoto would have done. She also had heard 
about the picnics we have. Are these picnics universally known to 
people who like B&S but aren't on the list? Years later, if I tell 
B&S-liking strangers I went to one of these picnics, will they say 
"Oh, you went to one of THOSE?" Only time will tell. Actually, if one 
of you knows the answer you can tell me as well. Or compose the 
answer in the form of a novella, featuring Rhoda, Napster and Empee 
Three. Or not.




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From shewitt at xxx.uk  Fri Sep 15 16:58:00 2000
From: shewitt at xxx.uk (Stephen Hewitt)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:58:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: [Fwd: king of all the hipsters]
Message-ID: <39C24708.70F13D2D@ruskin.ac.uk>

oops, sent to .net first, silly me...

Stephen Hewitt wrote:
> 
> Gosh I'm tired, I think it's my pre-olympic training regime getting to
> me, ie staying up quite late in order to ready myself for the festival
> of sporting excitement that awaits.  I could watch *any* sport on telly,
> me, despite the fact that i'm possibly the least sporty person in the
> world.  I'm sooooo pissed off that i'm here at work instead of watching
> the opening ceremony :(  Opening ceremonies are GRATE, synthesis of
> community, sport and art, etc etc, although i'm not too bothered about
> missing John "You're the Voice" Farnham and Olivia "Newton" John.
> 
> Oh joy and happiness, I've just found out that i'm going to have no
> e-mail or internet access at work next week, smelly pooey bums.
> 
> I whistle in supermarkets, but not lloyd-webber, generally a nice bit of
> belle & sebastian, i do find the tunes particularly good for whistling,
> better than, say, slipknot for example.  I whistle quite a lot actually,
> "and he shall have music where ever he goes", maybe i should just get
> some batteries for my walkperson.  I haven't got as far as bells on
> either fingers or toes yet.
> 
> It's nice to see erica back, although in some strange way, it's almost
> like she never left.
> 
> I saw a pair of shoes in the middle of the street yesterday, quite nice
> brown shiny leather jobs.  I wonder if this is in fact an art
> installation (cf mark hester and trousers (as in leg coverings, not
> stevie)) that is touring Oxford.
> 
> Someone has also been sticking stickers with (the (actually not very)
> amazing)spiderman on on all the lampposts, for no discernable reason,
> there's no writing, not even a website or anything, just a black and
> white line drawing of spidey, although i noticed that someone had
> scrawled "who are you???" on one of them...
> 
> Oh and can i start the queue for people who want to have chrs lampy's
> babies :)
> 
> xoxo
> CarsmileSteve
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From david at xxx.uk  Fri Sep 15 17:58:33 2000
From: david at xxx.uk (David White)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:58:33 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Warbling
Message-ID: <LNBBIEGADDEMDLPIAGBKIEMFCCAA.david@djwhite47.freeserve.co.uk>

"men, dont do that stupid warbly whistling all round

the shop.and if you do dont stand with your hand on

your hip and do andrew loyd webber. its not ladylike."

I've never noticed it in supermarkets but I have noticed that everytime
theres been somebody in my house to do domestic repairs or deliveries (gas
man, electricity man, delivery men or whatever) they always do that warbling
whistle thing. It's never a tune I've ever heard but seems to be kind of
organic in that it constantly changes and doesn't seem to be one tune in
particular. I reckon it must be part of the training. The only other place
I've ever heard them is on trains. Theres generally some old bastard sitting
right behind me whistling away in that incredibly annoying, through the
teeth style that makes the sound penetrate through even the loudest personal
stereo headphones. Grrr.

Speaking of trains, British Rail (or whatever they are called these days)
really are hopeless aren't they. I say this as a regular train traveller,
but today they surpassed themselves. In the one week when trains have become
much more important since people can't use cars (petrol shortage in the UK
for all those overseas listees), they decide to introduce a brand spanking
new train at Glasgow Central station. Except that the damn thing got no
further than 100 yards out of the platform before it derailed and thus
caused pandemonium for all subsequent trains in and out of the station.
D'oh!

David White
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From rsudworth at xxx.com  Fri Sep 15 21:23:17 2000
From: rsudworth at xxx.com (richard sudworth)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:23:17 BST
Subject: Sinister: re:
Message-ID: <LAW-F907VtzsHmIWwUj00002a10@hotmail.com>

>you go to sainsbury's for the dreadfully polite and helpful delicatessen 
>staff. this may be a lie.
>
>alix
>

I have to that those deliatessen types really let the general quality (and 
good looks) of the shop down. Mind you, I forgive them anything when they 
serve me a coconut treat or big old meriengue (how on earth is that 
spelled?).


rich (just back from usual Friday night down at Sainsburys)
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From jmcf at xxx.ca  Fri Sep 15 22:41:51 2000
From: jmcf at xxx.ca (jmcf)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:41:51 -0400
Subject: Sinister: 5. Testy Culbert, 6. It protrudes, 7. No vocal cords, etc.
Message-ID: <39C2979F.B581ED53@sympatico.ca>


I'm really sorry but

a) if you live in/near Toronto and
b) you know and love the Winnipeg band The Weakerthans and
c) you somehow don't know that they are playing a show in Toronto
tomorrow night

here's some news for you...

The Weakerthans are playing "Ted's Wreaking Yard" on College tomorrow
night (16 September -Saturday)

1) Ted's Wreaking Yard is cool
2) the Weakerthans are lovely - and anyone who loves B&S will appreciate
the Weakerthans musical stylings (I think anyway)
3) that is all

If you are there and see a guy totally loving the Weakerthans that's me.

B&S content:

my B&S T-shirt is smelly (probably stained) and rolled up wrinkled in my
closet.. so I won't be wearing it tomorrow since I have no time to "fix"
that problem before tomorrow. 

jmcf
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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Sun Sep 17 18:29:16 2000
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:29:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: could it be me (me,me,me)?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0009171718580.18979-100000@granby.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>



I have observed a long time ago how the flux of Sinister information
languidishes,vanishes even during the long and now grey weekends. Those
unfortunate souls as your humble servant for which week days and non-week
days and even Bank Hols might be indistinguishable must account for an
ethnic minority while those legions of pasty-faced mafiosi take over the
pubs of the world...So here I am to alleviate the relax of your mailboxes.


I have rediscovered lately'The stars of track and field'
which self-quoting, it is a tune I never rated  in IYAFS,stunned
by 
(oh-so-typical) 'Get me away ...', 'Like Dylan in the Movies','If you are
feeling sinister'.Not very keen in stirring up that old battle about
'epic' in music/...etc, but there is some of that about it.Perhaps it is
Olympics in the air,after all. I managed to destroy my parents' sofa
in the long and warm summer of 1984 impersonating Ekaterina Szabo at
the  bar exercises(how do you write that in proper English? Any gymnast
out there?), so this sort of facts have a huge influence on my fickle
personality. 

After a couple of years as an official expatriate, I have become used and
bored of the questionnaires of the type : 'And what do you think of the
British people in Spain?'.To summarise the stereotype,S&M + M&S, both with
a relevant apparition in Murdoch's lyrics,curious.The mid-westernity that
walks along with Lloyd Cole's persona and personae is absent from Belle
and Sebastian's issues,true.Despite the fact that the geographical
distance between Midlands towns and the big,shiny City is negligible in
comparison to any American scale, the luggage the midlander carries with
him/her to Art School in his/her way to the dazzling spheres of
sophistication comes in the same card boxes...and same can be said of the
Film/Media students I befriended as an undergrad in Madrid,originally from
Castillan,Andalusian or Galician rural areas.It is funny how I also
thought how 'American' their feelings towards their villages when I
started to encounter for first time youngsters with great expectations who
had not been born in the 'capital' as myself.


Do you have to be real siblings to be in a duet? Yes(Webb), No
(Montgolfier),you can pretend and add some token 'Brothers' to chosen
family name.However,ignoring even the very basics about both of these
highly praised combos and having the maybe wrong impression about this
coming week performances,could any better informed soul to keep me posted
privately about them? Thanks a lot.


And that's use of the list,not abuse.Love

Arantxa








 




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From velocity_girl_is at xxx.uk  Sun Sep 17 18:49:52 2000
From: velocity_girl_is at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?velocity=20farewell?=)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:49:52 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: WhErE's BiLL GruNdY NoW?
Message-ID: <20000917174952.19258.qmail@web3006.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi sinister lot,
I kept wondering why it is so hard to start a sinister
post... I wanted to start this post writting about
this girl on telly faking an epileptic crisis... I
wonder what Ian C. would have to say about that...
mmmmm
Instead, I'm going to tell you the story of another
girl who found herself in London and spent there 17
days... 17 days of - as Paula would me to say-
                BooZe ExpLoSioN!!
Oh dear! I wrote a whole post and then deleted it as I
found it really silly... not that this one seems to be
any better...
Ok... I met everyone at the George my first night
there... Big Gays Mark and Martin, Mr Trousers, Joe
PF, Pam and steady Mike, lovely Lixi, Richard mmm...
my darling Carey who stayed with me for 2 weekends and
she helped me to deal with the tubes and everything...
and the 2 american girls, Miss Courtney and her friend
Sarah... sorry if I forgot anyone...
but I won't bore you with the whole journal of my
visit there... I'll just give you the 
           HiGhLiGhtS
TrOuSerS' GaRdeN PaRtY... I think that was one of my
best nights there... some of us were in the blanket
kingdom in Mr T's balcony whilst Joe's guitar gently
weeped... and we all sang and told stories... I was
really envious of Mr Popkins' record collection!! And
I have to say that trousers is an excellent cook and
his potato salad is highly reccomended...
SiNiStER PiC-NiC... yes we had red knickers on, not
bright red as we couldn't find any... and it poured
down and we were walking barefeet with Lixi cause we
wanted to show off our cherry red toe nails... 
Big Gay Mark managed to cripple Richard on footy... he
just sprained his unkle tho'... I don't want you to
think that Mark is a violent person... no no... he's
such a sweetheart!! He can't harm anyone, not
intentionally that is... Vicky what do you think?
FrEuD'S... a coctail bar... we met there and got
pissed once more... I met Erica at last... I have to
say that she's really a doll, very sweet and an
amazingly stylish girl... Paul made some pics of us...
we looked glamorous but the pics were really really
dark... and then we went to this chip shop and it was
great... but I still can't eat fish!
PiZzA ExPrEsS... sorry again I was late... as everyone
can certify I'm nothing like my name "velocity girl"
when it comes to punctuality...
WhItE SoCkS and BlAcK ShOeS... yes!! Trousers is
trying to revive the Johnny Marr style... don't give
him style tips... he won't listen to you... do you
remember the Pale Fountains?
LuCy and HeR NaIlS... Lucy has great nails... I was so
jealous... we went to this pub in islington called
"the Famous Cock" (!) to meet Dudley and Joss... they
were playing that night at upstairs at Garage...
Dudley made Joss change his slayer t-shirt into a
black shirt!! So, whilst we were waiting for the irish
boys, Lucy put a nail varnish out of her handbag and
started painting her nails... after the gig, we went
back to the pub and had serious conversations about
animal testicles and how they can be cooked! yes, I
know!! 
GeOrgE HeNrY DiCkiE... yes, he's real!! We went to
this pub and we exchanged lollipops and then had sword
fights with them... I was really jealous of his barbie
doll ring but he refused to give it to me... then we
thought we should exchange watches but we didn't cause
his was very boyish for me... and GH had the coolest
Dr Who badge ever!!
StArrY SaRaH'S BuBblE MaChInE... Sarah arrived at the
George with Olivier and Kenjuggle with this bubble
machine... I don't remember who was the bubble
champion... I think it was Ken but I may be wrong...
Starry also knackered poor BG Martin off in DDR.. but
he was in great DDR form as he practiced loads in
NY...
LiXi'S InSuLt CaNdY... that was the night we met sir
William Messent at the george again... some american
tourists came there and were making photos as that pub
is a historical one... Dickens was going there, I
think... at the end they kept clapping their hands for
their guide... so we were applauding too... then me
and Lixi decided to buy some sweet stuff and came back
with this candy with written insults on them... very
educational, mind you... I learnt all these new
english words...
TrAcK & FiElD... it was kind of boring... I hope
Strange Fruit will be better... actually I have no
doubt about it... the best moment was at the end when
they played "another girl another planet" by the Only
Ones, one of my fave songs ever... and Lucy came there
with a great black dress and tights looking absolutely
fab... and Giles... Giles you bastard!! why didn't you
call me on Saturday?
MaDaM TuSsAuD'S MuSeuM... somewhere I wanted to go and
I didn't! I wanted to go there and snog Jonny Rotten
and Paul would make a pic of me snogging J.Rotten, but
we were never able to wake up at a descent time...
next time though definetely as I'm going back to
London after x-mas probably if not sooner...  You
think I could stay away? No way...
I was really depressed when I came back to Greece...
All I could think of is going back... so I went to
this record shop and bought a Beaumont LP and a New
Distraction E.P. featuring Baxendale, Ricky Spontane,
Teenbeat and Abbey Grange, to indulge myself a bit...
Now I need to buy some clothes... that will definetely
make me feel better...
Another thing is that I missed AllY CiNnAmoN CooK!! As
he went to London the day I was leaving!! Next time!!
Oh dear, that was long!! And I haven't told you half
of it!! I'm keeping the juicy details for myself!! I'm
just messing of course...
OK, till next time take care all of you...
 hugs
      Vel xxx

PS: Alix, Lucy and Martin, sorry I haven't emailed
yet... I will soon... and I would like to give Alix a
huge hug since I didn't have the chance to say goodbye
to her... I hate goodbyes anyway...







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From imn_uk at xxx.uk  Sun Sep 17 20:42:29 2000
From: imn_uk at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?ian=20nicolson?=)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:42:29 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: On the screen I saw the Holy Ghost, I swear!
Message-ID: <20000917194229.15360.qmail@web4307.mail.yahoo.com>

I think I'm going blind.  

Or at least my once perfect eyesight is deteriorating
somewhat.  And it's all your fault!  Yes, you!  Cause
I hardly used computers much at all until I joined
Sinister (which may be why I got such crappy marks at
university, but that's another story etc.) but this
past year or so I've spent more and more time staring
at shiny screens and I don't think it's doing my eyes
much good at all.  Or it could be all that wanking...
But lately I've been having too many of those
incidents when you're walking towards someone in the
street, who looks a bit like someone you know, but
you're quite, although not entirely, sure it isn't
them, but you have to keep looking at them just to
make sure as it would be dead rude just to walk past
if you did know them and by the time you've got close
enough to be sure, the person, who it turns out isn't
the person that you thought it might be, has noticed
you staring at them and thinks that you're a mad
person so starts chasing you down the street with a
stick.  (That was a terrifically long sentence wasn't
it?  If my old English teacher could read that she'd
tear me arms off.)

I'd imagine that a few of you are as bored as wombats
with the Olympics already, but I'm going to write
about them anyway.  Always leave them wanting less, as
would appear to be Tom Jones' motto.  Wouldn't it be
fun to have a motto?

Carsmile spluttered:
"Opening ceremonies are GRATE"
I especially like some of the mad things that the
commentators, more used to talking about groin strains
and shin-pads, have to describe, such as how the giant
blue man on stilts represents the great god Pan
vanquishing the forces of evil, played by an army of
Albanian dwarves.  Painted orange.  My all-time fave
opening ceremony was the 1994 football (or soccer, for
our overseas chums) World Cup in America, when Diana
Ross missed an open goal from three yards out. 
Apparently Hibs tried to sign her in a swop deal for
Joe Tortolano, but Motown were having none of it. 
(About 5% of you *might* get that reference.  Sorry.)

The rest of the Olympics is never quite as exciting,
although I feel compelled to keep watching anyway,
just in case the BBC plays 'The Stars of Track and
Field' at any time.  My bets are on a slow-motion
montage after the closing ceremony.  Chorus only,
mind.  They're bound to use it sometime.  If they
don't I'll damned well eat me pants.  Or send them to
David Coleman at least.  Not for the first time,
either.  But he never sends me his in return, no
matter how many kisses I put on my letters.

Britain will be rubbish as always, one would imagine. 
I think they should introduce more sports traditional
to these isles, to give us a better chance.  Like
custard pie eating, or knobbly knees contests.  Or
jousting, even.  It might have died a death in the
middle ages, but I'm sure it'd still be popular, if
the lances were sharp enough.

Chris Lampinen has been regaling us with tales of just
how demmed sexy he is.  I thought about it doing
something similar, but then some of you have met me. 
I can still delude myself though, now that I can't see
anymore...

Lots of lurve
Ian N.










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From JENOWL22 at xxx.com  Sun Sep 17 20:51:00 2000
From: JENOWL22 at xxx.com (JENOWL22 at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:51:00 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Most girls get bubble bath from their friends. I get a 3-foot tall walking doll.
Message-ID: <c9.8901291.26f67aa4@aol.com>

Hewwo,

Well, yesterday was my birthday. And on friday my best friend brought into 
school for me...a three foot tall walking doll, called Mildred, which I 
carted about for the whole school day, to much jeering from the hard kids 
(but I didn't care, 'cause it was my almost birthday) . And some play-doh, 
and a Barbie flask. Which is always nice. And my other friend gave me a wand, 
and some pringles. So at least now I have the full fairy outfit. Wings, wand, 
magic hat called Sophie, and stripey knee-high socks. And too much glitter. 
Oh, and Ian sent me a Study at Stow tee-shirt, and the new hefner single 
(signed), which are now my two most prized possesions. And two other friends 
offered me sex, which I declined. Oh, and the surprise party that I knew 
about never happened. I suppose that must've been the surprise. My best 
friend couldn't be bothered organising it, so I spent my birthday with my mum 
instead and had the BEST  BIRTHDAY EVER.

So I'm 15 now. I'm no longer sinister's little 14 year old. Hey.

I have ICQ now by the way. My ICQ number is 91134319, if anyone wants to 
message me with abuse.  Heee.

Babysitting is grate fun.

D'you remember the advert "the car in front is a toyota"? That really used to 
get up my nose, when I was little. I would sit and think for ages about how 
that would mean that every single car would have to be a toyota, except the 
one at the very end. And would the one at the very end be a kind of king car. 
And what kind would it be? Would it feel lonely because all the other cars 
were toyotas, and it wasn't, or would it just go "aaah, you toyotas are all 
like sheep, but I am so much better, because I'm not just another toyota"? 
Would all the Toyotas pick on it, or would they fear and worship it? And if 
every single car except the one at the end was a toyota, then wouldn't it be 
so much easier and say "your car is a toyota"? Or were they tryong to be all 
PC and not offend the car at the very end?

Then I thought, well, maybe it just means that the car in front is a toyota, 
like toyotas are the furthest ahead in technology and car-ness, and maybe I 
was just really stupid when I was little, or just thought too much.

I was going to put in some B&S content, but I couldn't think of any.

Oh, yeah, here's one. Both my cousin and my mum studied at stow. So yay for 
them.

Hugs,
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From nickgillespie at xxx.com  Sun Sep 17 21:43:55 2000
From: nickgillespie at xxx.com (n|ck g)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:43:55 GMT
Subject: Sinister: the world has gone mad
Message-ID: <LAW2-F223S1PMYoytiZ0000bdce@hotmail.com>

ok. so i have officially moved and am living in the lovely town of munich 
germany. moving from detroit michigan was quite a shock, but took me little 
time to adjust. that is until yesterday. yesterday marked the beginning of 
the 'Oktoberfest.' this festival of massive amounts of beer being consumed 
has brought every tourist with nowhere better to go here.

last time that i checked this was germany and last that i checked the 
national language is german. this doesn't seem to matter to those from the 
lovely united states of america. they seem to think that the national 
language of the world is english. this isn't true. even i, having only been 
here for two weeks, am offended when people walk up to me and ask me for 
inane directions to something like the Haufbrauhaus in english. ahhh. oh 
well. i guess that you can't excape ignorace anywhere.

case in point: (not to bore you all with my rediculous stories but...) last 
night i was walking home with a few of my newly aquainted friends and an 
italian punk tried to start a fight with me. i'm not a little guy and this 
guy most certainly was. not to mention that i grew up in a town that is know 
for having a lot of violence and when this is the case you grow up either 
being beaten or beating. never have i gone out and sought violence, but i 
won't be pummeled without a fight. so... to make a short story even 
longer... i, not wanting to go to german jail, told him where he could go 
(in italian, a benifit of living in italy for a couple of months) and walked 
away. when i got home i was infuriated that this kind of thing could go on. 
is this not supposed to be a celebration? whatever!

well sorry for the long, long stories.

i don't have any b&s info or comments but in the way of music... i finally 
found the nick drake boxset on vinyl and am a happy man. it was my birthday 
present to myself.

nick g.

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From jan_imgrund at xxx.com  Sun Sep 17 19:34:07 2000
From: jan_imgrund at xxx.com (Jan Imgrund)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:34:07 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Comment, comment, that's all you can
References: <200009171725.SAA14794@missprint.org>
Message-ID: <OE10PdLFYxc9NUpuabj00000aee@hotmail.com>

hi



> It's nice to see erica back, although in some strange way, it's almost
> like she never left.

Yes, she's kinda like a boomerang, isn't she?

> I've never noticed it in supermarkets but I have noticed that everytime
> theres been somebody in my house to do domestic repairs or deliveries (gas
> man, electricity man, delivery men or whatever) they always do that
warbling
> whistle thing.

My driving teacher was possibly the best (or worst, depending on your
opionion about warbling) warbling whistler in the world.
*warblewarblewarblewarble* turn the next right, please *warblewarblewarble*
no, not this one. This one's one way in the other direction. Got you again,
you fool!! *laughwarblelaughwarblelaughwarblelaughwarble*. How on earth are
you supposed to concentrate with that?


> in the long and warm summer of 1984 impersonating Ekaterina Szabo at
> the  bar exercises(how do you write that in proper English? Any gymnast
> out there?),

I guess there are lots of people here who are pretty good at bar exercises.
I didn't know you had to be a gymnast for it, though. Or that it was an
Olympic discipline. Maybe that's why it is so quiet on the list at the
moment?!



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From ac484 at xxx.edu  Mon Sep 18 00:44:49 2000
From: ac484 at xxx.edu (Adam Conover)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:44:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: rock hard, you black angel
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.1000917194057.8194C-100000@bard.edu>

has anyone noticed that sometimes b+s sounds really hard on headphones?
good headphones mind. listen to "seeing other people"... yeah, that
rockin' stevie guitar line! sounds like a punk anthem, woo!

... well, except for the piano and struan, anyway ...

why do we call struan struan? i never understood it. just like i never
understood twee until my friend lizzie told me. lizzie is going to come
visit me here at college! (or uni, as you bonnie-lies-over-the-ocean
people say) this makes me happy. she is staying for days and days, and it
will be a crisp fall day, and i bet it will be wonderful.

pavement is the best thing in the world. especially on vinyl. i had the
opportunity to buy legal man and fishyclap on vinyl, but i decided to
stick with cds... but all my pavement is on vinyl, oh yeah, including
crooked rain crooked rain with the insert 7" that they only put out on
like the first 1000 copies or something. unless i'm just crazy. i also
have a lot of devo that i bought at the same time, also with an insert
single of "workin' in the coalmine" (goin' down down), but i don't know if
that's rare or not, and i also found out that i don't like devo all that
much, and i bought three records of them. worrisome.

- adam


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From C.B.Stride at xxx.uk  Mon Sep 18 09:36:00 2000
From: C.B.Stride at xxx.uk (Dr C.B.Stride)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:36:00 +0100
Subject: Sinister: UK listees: Dance to indie-pop-punk tunes as Offbeat returns...
Message-ID: <E13awPM-000625-00@mailhub1.shef.ac.uk>

.... This Tuesday and 5 more times before Christmas

*(apologies to anyone who receives this message more than once!)*

Offbeat is back for 6 nights this autumn,

and there is a website with Offbeat and general indiepop info and 
articles, and links to other cool sites.

http://www.shef.ac.uk/~offbeat/
     
         OFFBEAT -  a real indiepop night.......
     
     with late bar, free lollipops and request sheets
     
     Sheffield Uni' SU Raynor Lounge (non-students most welcome)
     
     9pm to 1am, £2.50 on the door...

TUESDAY 19th SEPTEMBER
FRIDAY 29th SEPTEMBER
FRIDAY 13th OCTOBER
FRIDAY 27th OCTOBER
FRIDAY 17th NOVEMBER
FRIDAY 8th DECEMBER
     
     
Playing......Classic leftfield Indie, Punk POP, lo-fi, C86,
 new indiepop underground sounds,...
     
HELEN LOVE-HEFNER-BELLE AND SEBASTIAN-DELGADOS
KENICKIE-PASTELS-IDLEWILD-R.E.M.-SMITHS-PAVEMENT-
ANGELICA-FALL- BLUR-JAM-HALF MAN HALF BISCUIT-CLINIC
TALULAH GOSH-BIS-VELOCETTE-I LUDICROUS-JUNE BRIDES-
SUPER FURRY ANIMALS-ELASTICA-CURVE-URUSEI YATSURA-
BOGSHED-TIGER-SNUFF-DEAD KENNEDYS-PWEI-CARTER 
USM-DISCO PISTOL-COMET GAIN-STEREOLAB-CHINA DRUM-
SPARKLEHORSE- BUZZCOCKS-10 BENSON-WEDDING 
PRESENT-ASH-SONIC YOUTH-BODINES-PIXIES-SUEDE-CUD-
GENE-PRIMAL SCREAM-SHOP ASSISTANTS-FIELD MICE-
CHILLS-PETER AND THE TEST TUBE BABIES-PIXIES-MANICS-
MARINE RESEARCH-CHAMELEONS-GORKYS ZYGOTIC MYNCI
       plus many more in the same vein......
     
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From chrislampinen at xxx.com  Mon Sep 18 10:00:59 2000
From: chrislampinen at xxx.com (chris lampinen)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 05:00:59 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Hello, I left my heart at your place, could you please mail it back? 
Message-ID: <F1652U8QVjp3b6uIU1G00002d85@hotmail.com>

Well, well. How are the little minions doing this morning? Swell, I hope!

I just realized what you bastards have done to me. I've been listening to 
nothing but indiepop for the last few months.

Today I fixed that. I rediscovered the joys of gusgus and Tricky and Massive 
Attack and and and and...

Underworld. I picked up their new live album today and I can't say enough 
about how much I love it. I've listened to it start to finish quite a few 
times. Just lovely, lovely, lovely.

I know what you lot are thinking- Underworld? How can I cry to Underworld?

You can't; that's the beauty of it.

That, however, is not why I am writing you. I am beat up and depressed. It's 
a chore to so much as leave my bed. The only things that can motivate me to 
stand up are cookies and cigarettes. My room is a mess. My dog misses me. My 
classwork is falling behind. I hardy ever work.

I just want to sleep and cry my life away.

I sleep for 12 hours a night (morning). I wake up and curl up under my 
blanket for an hour or so trying to get up enough courage to roll onto the 
floor and crawl into the bathroom. And then I go back to bed.

Yes, infatuation does all this and more to a poor little boy.

No, I'm just kidding. I'm doing quite well!

everythingeverythingeverythingeverything

I just had an all american dinner of all potato products! One plate of seven 
(7) mini-pierogies and one plate of twenty-two (22) waffle shaped french 
fries (slightly burnt) with one (1) medium-large squirt of ketchup (which 
isn't made from potatoes, but hey, tomato rhymes with potato so that's close 
enough for me, yes). And I feel like taking on the world!!

I have the BEST schedule in history:

4 pm: breakfast
10 pm: lunch
4 am: dinner

Somewhere in between there I fit in classes or work, but like, that's not 
really that important. What is important:

That

I

Dance! my heart out baby! Dance! my heart out baby!

That's how I've been spending my time. I can actually work up a sweat 
without standing up. I dance while I'm sitting in chairs. I dance while I'm 
walking down stairs. I dance while I'm laying in bed. I dance when my vision 
is red. My dog dances too. And my mom. I dance on the couch. I dance on the 
hood of my car. I dance in the garage. I dance in the road.

Speaking of the road.

I usually take brief walks around my neighborhood (yes, neighborhood you 
goddam anglophiles) when I go out for cigarettes and recently I've found 
myself skipping. Do you guys skip? Why not? It's so full of glee, it makes 
me feel warm and gooey inside like a certain *murmer murmer murmer* does. 
Everyone should skip!!

So why don't you all tell me what you're up to now? I'd like to know, and 
this is true! Why why why-- why because I love *you!*

Take care darlings,

Love,
Christiaan


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From chickfactor at xxx.uk  Mon Sep 18 12:03:32 2000
From: chickfactor at xxx.uk (brenda milton-bradley)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 04:03:32 -0700
Subject: Sinister: loneliness of the trans-atlantic drunk flyer
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From julesmarkham at xxx.net  Mon Sep 18 13:27:41 2000
From: julesmarkham at xxx.net (julesmarkham)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:27:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: a black fox fable
Message-ID: <001501c02173$37112500$56498cd4@tonygeorge>

hey guys
I've come up with a new fable, let me know what you think

The black fox woke up and yawned. She was curled up at the foot of Jubilee's
bed. Jubilee was still fast asleep, the cat taking up most of the pillow.
The Griffin was snoring loudly, sprawled across the top of the wardrobe,
it's tail twitching. The fox sniffed the air. There was a strange smell,
like compost and syrup, which was probably why she had woken up. She jumped
down from the bed and padded quietly into the kitchen, where the strange
odour was coming from.
 On the kitchen table, amongst the plates and chopsticks of the evenings
Chinese takeaway, stood a small creature, about a foot tall covered in
matted brown fur, longest at the scalp, where it was a gothic shock of
rattails, shortest at the tail, which curled and danced like a snake. In
each paw it held a pair of wriggling koi carp, almost as big as itself,
another fish was rapidly disappearing down its throat.
The fox barked  and jumped onto the table and the creature let out a screech
and dropped the fish, leaping back and bouncing onto the floor. The fox
scooped up the fish and dropped them into the kitchen sink, nosing the cold
water tap until a gush of water poured out and the fish began to swim in
slow circles. The fox, satisfied that they were okay, turned off the tap and
jumped onto the floor, glaring at the little creature, who belched in her
face and cackled loudly.
-Hey Phooka! Not seen you dogga-like before!
The fox growled at the creature
~I am not a Phooka!
-nah, you is! Phooka!
There was a sudden thunk as a large pickle jar dropped over the creature,
trapping it. The fox looked up to see jubilee in her dressing gown, jar in
hand. She scooped up the jar and set it on the table, the creature still
trapped inside. It was hammering on the glass and making rude gestures, the
smell of vinegar was making it feel queasy.
-I heard a noise, so I came out to see what was going on, Jubilee explained.
She pulled up a chair and sat down. The creature continued to gesticulate
and swear.
-What is it, Fox? A boggart or something?
~I think it's a Spriggin. They're like boggarts but nastier.
-What should we do with it? Do we kill it?
~No! Just let it go.
-You said it was a pest, if we let it go it'll only cause more trouble.
The fox sighed and shook her head.
~You cant punish it just for being nasty, that's just the way it is. You
wouldn't punish cat for throwing up furballs, or the Griffin for scratching
the sofa, would you? It's just the way they are.
Jubilee nodded in understanding. She lifted up the jar and the Spriggin
leapt up, grabbing a chopstick and waving it at her.
-Would you like a sandwich? she asked politely.
The Spriggin nodded, a little surprised at the offer. Jubilee fetched a
slice of bread and, after a moments thought, spread it with strawberry
jelly. She folded it in half and handed it to the Spriggin.
It snatched the sandwich off her and bit into it, still waving the chopstick
at her. When it realised what was in the sandwich, it opened the bread up
and buried its face in it, slurping noisily. When it licked the bread clean
it dropped the slice of bread and belched again, it's face smeared with
strawberry pulp. Jubilee stifled a giggle as the Spriggin licked jam from
it's paws.
-He looks like a little Darth Maul!
The Spriggin glared at her, the turned to see the Griffin wandering in,
following the smell of food. The Spriggin shrieked and leaped into the air,
scaling the wall and disappearing through a crack in the plaster, leaving
sugary pawprints behind it. The griffin snatched the bread from the table
and skulked back to bed,
Jubilee and the fox sat in silence for a moment, both a little startled.
Finally Jubilee stood up
-I need a cup of tea.
She picked up the kettle and went to the sink. The fox tried to look as
innocent as possible.
-Fox?
~Hmmm?
-There are fish in here!
The Fox said nothing for a moment.
~Hmmm?

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From steven.kado at xxx.ca  Mon Sep 18 14:39:31 2000
From: steven.kado at xxx.ca (Steven Kado)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:39:31 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Our badge of courage shall be the bruise of passion!
Message-ID: <005301c02177$e8723ec0$6102a7d1@yesic.com>

fuck,

there was one day when that dirty-minded psychopath chris lampiste wasn't
posting any more of his amoral filth and nudity and such and i nearly
thought it would be safe to come out and post something and then he
resurfaced again bragging about hsi friggin' hips like he was a girl and
capable of having real hips instead of fake crappy mens hips.

i'm also really mad about being challenged to a naked picture duel.
this hit a sore spot that i'm sure chris had no idea he was hitting.

the fact is i cannot be seen naked.  not that i can't get naked, but under
my pants and t-shirt i'm actually invisble.  how many people have fled my
bed room in terror upon finding that the expected wobbly bits etc. were
there but not there.  a photograph of me naked would offer only a
tantalizing view of whatever is lying behind me at the time.  maybe if i
wear some flesh coloured tights or something....

hey,
i met the stars the other day at a tahiti 80 concert.  does anyone else find
that tahiti 80 sounds suspriciously like late U2 crossed with the sea and
cake?  anyway, having nothing to say to the stars i invented a story about
being such a good dj that i couldn't actually spin in public as i would have
to keep the adoring masses at bay with sticks.  then there was this
pineapple thing and . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

i was upset about missing the durian at the new york picnic.  i'm a big fan
of durian.  its a staple of the summer barbeque season with me, swear. i
often enjoy eating fruits that smell like feces/rotting flesh.  or sometimes
i just skip the fruit and go straight for the rimming.  actually the ice
cream ain't bad.  i bought durian ice cream by accident because it was
indistinguishable (in terms of colour) from the mango ice cream at the
chinese grocery store.  in fact, unless i go for a ride on my bike i only
have chinese grocery stores within range, so my entire neighborhood is
redolent with durian in the summer.  i whistle in grocery stores when i'm
not trying to intimidate people in the frozen foods isle by walking very
quickly as if driven by some powerful inner compulsion.

external compulsion sucks.

one of the pleasures of shopping in chinese grocerystores is being elbowed
all over the lower part of my body by chinese grandmothers augering for a
better bag full of crabs than the next.

actually, thats not called pleasure at all...thats something much deeper.

 yesterday i watched several episodes of queer as folk.  thats not bad
television is it?  but whats with that little skull-faced girl who's face
froze in one facial expression in the first episode and then it never
changed?  will her face fall off and break if she changes her facial
expression?  why?


so onto other significant issues in pop.
whats with will oldham's voice now?  when did it drop an octave and become
'reliable'?  as much as i love the rian murphy&will record it still isn't
really what i 'look for' in oldham's catalogue.  i am confused. i am
confused like claude wondering why kathleen doesn't love him, only without
dead flowers and suicide.  although the band suicide are rad.


although few bands in the world are as rad as devo.
adam conover needs to get his head out of his indie pavement ****le and face
up to the reality that devo are one of the most brilliant bands ever.  never
mind that the first four albums are the only good ones.  most bands are only
good for four albums, some bands are only good for three and a collection of
very strong eps.  devo changed my life in late grade nine.  i fell into
their nurturing plastic sheathed arms after grunge angst burned me out
entirely. i took songs like 'through being cool' to heart.  you can ask
people who knew me at the time; for example, i wrote 'devo', about 400 times
on the front page of ben's agenda.  you can ask ben...i did this in french
class i believe.  i also really fell hard for elvis costello, but it was
more fun being an excessive and overt devo fan because this was around
'95-96 and it seemed more like a kind of provocation than thick glasses and
ill-fitting suits.

i missed olympic boxing on television yesterday, which made me remember that
i miss g h dickie.

fuck martinez,

st  ev  en  ka  do




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From karastar at xxx.com  Mon Sep 18 14:56:09 2000
From: karastar at xxx.com (karastar at xxx.com)
Date: 18 Sep 2000 09:56:09 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Hello List Bunnies!
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From strappingarab at xxx.com  Mon Sep 18 15:52:39 2000
From: strappingarab at xxx.com (robert smith)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 07:52:39 PDT
Subject: Sinister: Attention listee's in England!
Message-ID: <F317Yge2Qw4hVJbrzvs000101f4@hotmail.com>


Hello everyone!

Some of you may or may not remember the plight of listee Janne Lardot.
Let me take this oppertunity to refresh your memories.
Janne lives in Finland. Now I'm not saying there's anything wrong with 
Finland but this is a bit unfortunate for Janne.
You see, Janne is about to be plucked from the free world and place in to 
national service.
There may be nothing we can do about this, but we can give him a jolly good 
sent off!
So, here's the plan. Anyone who can make it, be in Camden Town on Saturday 
the 23rd of September for the Free Janne party. :]
We'll probably start in the Man in the Moon pub by the lock but we're open 
to suggestions for later on.
Now Janne is going to be away for more than a year and will only be in 
Britain for a couple of days, so we all have to show him that we all love 
him....... plus its a good excuse for a sinister meet up. :]
Anyone who wants to come (you know you do) send me an e-mail or give me a 
call. My number is 0403 79 30 76.
Write it down, because if you get lost on Saturday I'll come and find you :]

bye for now
robert smith

p.s. Anyone I've ever met from the list can expect me to harass them to 
come! you've been warned.....
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From jono427 at xxx.net  Mon Sep 18 18:10:50 2000
From: jono427 at xxx.net (John Maxwell)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:10:50 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Sinister: This is just a rubbish postie
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From carle at xxx.com  Mon Sep 18 18:58:42 2000
From: carle at xxx.com (carle groome)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:58:42 -0400
Subject: Sinister: more bad breathing upon the listerines
Message-ID: <39C657D1.35998B2E@rcn.com>


in the centuries since my last post (ok, weeks. but in the 186,000
miles-per-second world of Sinister, i am light-years behind) i noted a
desultory thread in re: the idea of content; viz, the pop culture and
pop music. especially the articulations of Peter Miller and Youn J. Noh
about the work of Lloyd Cole ...

when i think on't, as i am wont, it arrives bearing the same blithe
controversy that was being promulgated stateside in the 80s as to the
'canon' of literature as the West's abiding standard of shared
references. the upshot of the ballyhoo was, simply, we are becoming
low-class by lowering the academic rigors to admit, oh, stuff like
semiotic revisioning of texts, african-american and feminist studies,
offering MFA's in computer animation, etc. you know the type, right? (a
lot of tosh and bother as to who was controlling the
curricula...amounted to a few editorials and alan bloom's "the closing
of the american mind" getting on the bestseller list for a few weeks.
shows you how far down we are when we only get into these discussions
when it becomes pop controversy, eh?) so, we are, in point-of-fact, in a
post-literate society wherein the concept of a single,
white-judeo-christian, english-speaking body of work is pretty much
irrelevant, considering how multi-culti and polyethno have created
incursions into the common lingua franca (is that right? maybe it means
'french tongue'? naw! couldn't be...?) to become the fair rate coin of
intellectual exchange.

oops. too much high-falutin' MLA-baitin' goin' on in this one. i should
dele this but, as there are so many o-level or a-level or whatevers
(never could make sense of your SAT process) and grad study folk on this
list, i'd best leave it in in to show i'm just as foolish as ye. but let
me shave it down.

i do believe it was dr. johnson who said, in a letter (might've been to
boswell-- might not): "I am sorry to write you such a long letter. I
haven't the time for a short one." Which I take to mean, brevity is not
only the soul of wit but responsible communication. (Unless he was being
extremely Brit and meant that he hadn't time for 'a quick one'...which i
understand means something altogether different over there. and knowing
the good doctor's habits, one doubts he would EVER refuse a quick one.)

but i digress.

what i mean to say is that the allusions to books and movies of a
certain era, the modern generation more or less, may 'date' the
material, but that is also its strength. name-dropping (or, in rap,
name-checking) is the way we transfer information packets (incidentally
boys&girls, this is the ENTIRE foundation of the internet!--the very
life's blood of our lovely little e-mail clusterf*ck) without having to
go into graphic detail. when i say something like "clouds scudding
across a spielberg sky" i am resonably certain that a fair percentage of
my readers will be able to put the picture together without oil paint.
or if i say "an application form as easy to fill out as an infinite jest
book report" i, again, am willing to accept that i may leave a number of
head-scratchers in my wake...and hope that the insightful will help to
clean-up after me.

i mean, c'mon! can anyone really say they get EVERY reference on this list?

BTB--
David White wrote:
"men, dont do that stupid warbly whistling all round
the shop.and if you do dont stand with your hand on
your hip and do andrew loyd webber. its not ladylike."

I've never noticed it in supermarkets but I have noticed that everytime
theres been somebody in my house to do domestic repairs or deliveries (gas
man, electricity man, delivery men or whatever) they always do that warbling
whistle thing. It's never a tune I've ever heard but seems to be kind of
organic in that it constantly changes and doesn't seem to be one tune in
particular. I reckon it must be part of the training. The only other place
I've ever heard them is on trains. Theres generally some old bastard sitting
right behind me whistling away in that incredibly annoying, through the
teeth style that makes the sound penetrate through even the loudest personal
stereo headphones. Grrr.

 and Jan Imgrund followed:
 My driving teacher was possibly the best (or worst, depending on your
opionion about warbling) warbling whistler in the world.
*warblewarblewarblewarble* turn the next right, please *warblewarblewarble*
no, not this one. This one's one way in the other direction. Got you again,
you fool!! *laughwarblelaughwarblelaughwarblelaughwarble*. How on earth are
you supposed to concentrate with that?


i suspect you've forgotten the one spot at which all gents whistle like
a flock of songbirds: the gents; aka, the public urinal. seems to have
something to do with the plumbing. (please feel free to create any
double/triple entendres you may like from this. i prefer being the
straight banana--more or less. which also leads to even more innuendo.)

and that's my 15 minutes of flame.
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From as_fein at xxx.com  Mon Sep 18 20:42:31 2000
From: as_fein at xxx.com (The Magnificent HEMO)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:42:31 PDT
Subject: Sinister: for anyone who wants to share...
Message-ID: <F210q6DqaJY4kJSFsxf0000fe3b@hotmail.com>

Just a quick request for all of you lovely readers...
As I have been so furiously downloading from N#pster the past few months, 
trying to squeeze as many songs out as i can before the courts shut them 
down,
With horror i realize that i have run out of things to download!
Perhaps i am just forgetting the names of all that bands who i heard and 
thought 'yeah,i'll have to check them out...'

It is a pretty specific category though- those that you don't like quite 
enough to shell out the money for the cd, but those you like enough to spend 
a few hours downloading...

So my question is this-
does anyone have any recommendations for bands that i might want to hear?
Preferably a bit Belle and Sebastian-y?
And please don't assume that i have heard anything already- i'm extremely 
deprived.
See, it has also occured to me that there might be a whole wealth of 
fantastic music happening ELSEWHERE and i just don't know about it.
So now is your chance to rescue me from the clutches of destiny's child, 
korn, and limp biscuit. and the other 2 songs the california radio stations 
keep playing.
I would appreciate any and all suggestions-
as_fein at hotmail.com

cheers then,
kimie
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From rfadden at xxx.com  Mon Sep 18 22:32:47 2000
From: rfadden at xxx.com (Robyn Fadden)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:32:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: i'm the b-a-d, you're the m-a-n
Message-ID: <20000918213247.460.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com>

yes, well,

begin with the tragic, i always say:
i went to bumbershoot in seattle and all i got was this lousy 3-day
hangover. ah, no, of course not - there was more. but i did manage to
*not* get into the magnetic fields show. and i did manage to weep
(silently, and along with 500 others who were turned away when the
(indoor!) venue filled up. at the time it was tragic, but it's been
downgraded to simply sad now.) then i drank some beer, and things got
so much better! we got to see sleater-kinney and also ronnie spector
the next day, and they were wonderful and amazing. other things i did
not see: fellow sinister-types. and i even wore my stow shirt (and on
sunday, a 'vote nader and laduke' sticker*). you were nowhere (and
everywhere...) 
i'm thinking about going to terrastock in november.

steven kado has been stealing my spotlight. all my life... i've just
realized this and am now on the verge of boarding a charter flight
across the country to put an end to it. why can't you just go back to
reading proust and stop being so bluddy convergent? here's the thing:
*i* watched 4-plus hours of 'queer as folk' yesterday too. and *i*
got elbowed by old chinese ladies in chinatown while trying to buy
strange looking fruits. not that this matters anymore; it's been said
before. etc. etc. etc. but i bet kado didn't watch lars von trier's
'the element of crime' last night, and even if he did, it couldn't
have been accompanied by a live musical score, nor could it have been
held in a theatre that became progressively hotter despite the fact
that warm bodies kept leaving. there was also a shared pomegranate.
which made things, really, a lot better than they could have been in
the pomegranate's absence. (it's strange; i have never purposely
meant to watch a lars von trier movie, no, they just happen to me.
suddenly i'm in a place and a lars von trier movie comes on. sneaky.)
(also, pomegranates are the popcorn of the fruit world.) so, i liked
this movie because it involved hypnotism and left me feeling, well,
humid and grimey. i think it was about subjectivity. but maybe i'm
wrong. lar dee lar lar(s). thoughts?

steve also said the word "rad", which has been hanging around me a
lot lately. in fact, someone i hadn't seen for two years said to me
just the other day, "you cut your hair, it looks rad." which made me
smile and say "aaww gee, thanks." the word "dude" is also common
lately, but then it never really left, did it.

i also quite miss ghd.

Ian N. spoke of his nearsightedness and recognizing complete
strangers. the opposite of which is being near-sighted and
recognizing people you know and trying to avoid them only to have
them recognize you and then you mutter 'oh, i don't have my glasses
on, didn't know it was you, ha ha ha, etc.' only to realize you
actually *do* have your glasses on. at which point you can
legitimately act psychotic.

jen's 3-foot doll is scaring me from all the way across an ocean and
a large country. i thought they stopped making those dolls when one
appeared with glowing eyes in a horror movie. once things appear in
horror movies they should cease existing. like sharks. and the dark.

i'm off to make a horror movie about the olympics now.
outta your mind,
robyn
(*in the spirit of my new political movement, sure to shake the earth
or at least the soil around my apartment building, "canadians for
nader". yes, you can see the sub-headlines: "currently supporting
nader are michael moore, the united electrical workers and the
country of canada!")
(p.s. i did not *just* wear a sticker, despite the current trend
toward nakedness (or at least invisibility) among certain
sinister-types - i wore three stickers... gosh.)

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~~~
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From arnaldopedro at xxx.pt  Mon Sep 18 23:41:47 2000
From: arnaldopedro at xxx.pt (Arnaldo Pedro)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:41:47 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Fw:  LowFly
Message-ID: <012a01c021c1$a4bf9e80$4cc917c3@o9h8u9>



Hello!

Esgar from LowFly Records, here.
Hope you enjoy my new drawing and that you can take a look on LowFly
Homepage, now with new layout and new informations.

To all of you asking "What the hell is that LowFly thing?!...", well, it's a
record label, in Portugal. We have released records by artists like Bonnie
Prince Billy, Jad Fair, Anomoanon, Clockwork, Us Forretas Ocultos....

We also release a magazine called CRU, with lots of comics, cinema, and
music.... and Mondo Bizarre, another project where we are involved, has just
come out with a new issue. You can ask your copies for FREE! (#4: Shellac -
Earth Crisis - Queens of the Stone Age - Royal Trux - Rancid - Earthlings? -
Dr. Frankenstein - The (International) Noise Conspiracy Up, Bustle and Out -
Vandals - Belle and Sebastian - Dance Hall Crashers - J Church - Blonde
Redhead - Momus - ...And You Will know Us by The Trail of Dead - Poster
Art...)

If you have a band, distro, store or label, or if you draw some comics,
please contact us. Maybe we can work together in the future.
We would love to hear from you!!!!

Here's our adress:
http://fly.to/lowfly

lowfly at ip.pt

Hope you can take a couple minutes and visit our site!

All the best!



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From kpc98c at xxx.UK  Tue Sep 19 02:19:15 2000
From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:19:15 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Rice could be steaming
Message-ID: <200009190116.CAA15455@missprint.org>

Hello,

"I was surprised, I was happy for a day in 1975"

Well I was, cos I wasn't born back in 1975... but, I have been having 
thoughts lately why I managed to be happy, I haven't been able to achieve 
a thing when I could have done so much, I talk to other people and they 
are all so knowledgeable, and I just know about absolutely nothing.  I 
never commit myself to anything and I have an attention span of about 5 
minutes.

It has been fine because I was never under any pressure, but next year 
I'll be out of University and in the real world, missing out on the 
security of a job offer next year really made me think, "what the hell 
can I do?"  I manage okay at most things but I don't have a real talent 
for anything in particular, I have no focus, no direction.  It is such 
pants, I want to do something good but I am too lazy, too shy to take 
chances.

I am going to change it tho, from this semester on, I am going to make 
myself someone useful, face up to the world with pride in my face and a 
can of Red Bull in my hand.  I am even going to actually completely 
finish a song that I'll write, and it's going to be bluddy grate.

Buck loads of B&S contents in there there was!

Saying all that tho, as vel vel said, I was le champ de la machieene 
bubblbes, so if anyone is looking to hire a profession bubble blower, 
I'm your man.  Althought I did fail to perform one time when everyone 
was watching at the pub, apparently I'd make a rubbish porn star, ah 
well I can't steal all the limelight off chris lampinen. :-)



sgazzetti said:
"the tautology is in the title song of an lp, in fact"

Is the answer:
An hour and a half on a bus takes a long time?

If Sturan decides that an hour and a half is a long time, then surely it 
doesn't matter whether it's on a bus, on a train or whatever.  I guess.. 
but then the whole sentence doesn't make much sense anyway, but I have a 
feeling that some of it adds no meaning to the sentence.  

Did I win?  I hope my prize is not a durian, gawd I have had the "pleasure" 
of being fed durians when I was young, and althought my mum chooses her 
durians carefully by the traditional Chinese method of elbowing boys in the 
groin in Chinese groceries(?!), durians still isn't my kind of thing.

I hope also that Chinese girls don't choose boys like they choose their 
durians... think about the pain!  I dunno tho they probably do tho, boys 
with durian style hair do seem to pull all the girls, afterall.

Nice Hair and Red Bulls!
Ken
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From llu at xxx.edu  Tue Sep 19 03:12:19 2000
From: llu at xxx.edu (Liqin Lu)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:12:19 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Rice could be steaming
References: <200009190116.CAA15455@missprint.org>
Message-ID: <39C6CB83.B9E55DA7@middlebury.edu>

> I haven't been able to achieve
> a thing when I could have done so much, I talk to other people and they
> are all so knowledgeable, and I just know about absolutely nothing.  I
> never commit myself to anything and I have an attention span of about 5
> minutes.
>
> It has been fine because I was never under any pressure, but next year
> I'll be out of University and in the real world, missing out on the
> security of a job offer next year really made me think, "what the hell
> can I do?"  I manage okay at most things but I don't have a real talent
> for anything in particular, I have no focus, no direction.  It is such
> pants, I want to do something good but I am too lazy, too shy to take
> chances.

i have exactly the same problem.

> I am going to change it tho, from this semester on, I am going to make
> myself someone useful, face up to the world with pride in my face and a
> can of Red Bull in my hand.

i say that to myself at the start of every semester...it hasn't worked, yet.

> I hope also that Chinese girls don't choose boys like they choose their
> durians...

i don't even know what a durian is...

operas r really good when ur feeling depressed, or maybe they r just really
good.

sorry about this doesn't-make-any-sense post...if anyone's reading.

liqin

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From keleidoscopic at xxx.com  Tue Sep 19 05:24:47 2000
From: keleidoscopic at xxx.com (Chris Paluch)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:24:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Shrug
Message-ID: <20000919042447.28596.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com>

Those who are Sinister,
It is going to be another october, soon.  last time
this year I was listening to momus non-stop for some
reason, that and the judybats and Belle and Sebastian.
 That summer was wasted, and wasted for good reason. 
I was in the midwest then, it was fairly easy to find
indie kids and lovers of brit pop, and fairly hard to
find anyone who liked folk, save a few fellow lovers
of B&S and Nick Drake.
I am in New England now, Vermont to be exact.  It is
nice, but something is missing.  Yes it may be
something differant than what was missing in the
midwest, but still something is missing.  Maybe there
is just a lack of depression and sadness.  And
sometimes sadness is missed as well. Misery is
sometimes a needed emotion...
I have finished an album to...one that I can actually
call an album, but that is something else altogether. 
But i actually feel like i accomplished something
after hundreds of songs.

Well maybe there is something within the mountains and
streams, but I still have yet to find my heart here. 
But I may just be looking in the wrong place.

And maybe i will write posts that make sense and are
not silly, nah.

Chris Paluch

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Tue Sep 19 10:23:31 2000
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:23:31 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Gentlemen Prefer Bongs
Message-ID: <002c01c0221f$fbab1e00$da97243e@itjfvkli>

I think I made a bit of a mistake the other day when I said that Lloyd Cole
sang about girls whose mothers drive 2CVs. Of course it is the girl who
drives her mother's 2CV. Whatever would Doctor Freud say? Mind you, I think
Lloyd was probably giving more away about himself than he really wanted to.
Do you agree, Piefox? The only burd I ever knew who drove her mother's 2CV
played the double bass and was able to identify the use of Gustave Mahler in
Strawberry Switchblade. Me and Lloyd, we were both able to identify the use
of Castrol GTX in Mahler. No wonder we were so impressed.

Speaking of the good doctor of Vienna, apparently he believed than music was
the sublimation of sexual desire. Where does that leave Lawrence of Felt,
Denim and Go-Kart Mozart fame? In the monkey house, that's where.

I wonder if Stuart Murdoch likes older women?

Peter

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From oooon at xxx.com  Wed Sep 20 18:28:22 2000
From: oooon at xxx.com (oooon)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:28:22 +0700
Subject: Sinister: I heart Moo York
Message-ID: <39C8F3B6.F2AC9875@cscoms.com>

hello everyone,

i know you just~ can't wait to hear my new york story.  especially
if you even know i went there.   so here's some little bits that still
drifing about in my double jetlagged mind.  i can't believe
how little photo i took.  no matter how i keep reminding myself
to always take a lot of photo, because
1) photo is fun to look at
2) it's always nice to see oneself outside the mirror
3) it's best way to improve photography skill
4) it helps me remember what i did and where i went, etc.

however, this time this new lab can make the index photo
of all the photo!  not the proof photo, but INDEX PHOTO!
which is extra nice, like a very wee mini storyboard.
apparently it's old news to some people, but i'm non hip
to new technology, so i retain the opportunity to get
terribly excited by that.  it's so cute!  some of you will
get to be excited by it too when my father is back.
telling travel story is not easy.  where to begin, and how
to make it reasonably short for humanitarian reason.
i'll kindly skip the triple stop-start parts because myself
might fall asleep recalling it.  not the 22 and a half hours
spending in cupboard very far above the groud that
transported me from Bangkok to New york.  maybe
the ticket hell though, so that you'll know NOT TO
BUY FLIGHT TICKET THAT HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED
ALL THE  WAY.  again, apparent old news to everyone
else but me, who couldn't get the flight back as i was
supposed to, meaning likeliness to get fired from
my dearly beloved job.  anyway, in the end i did
manage to come home not too late, thanks to my
diligent travel agent, who might otherwise have
received a poo bomb regularly for the rest of their life.

the above might sound like not very fun trip, but in fact
i have so much fun i don't know what to start.
To every LOVELY one i met there, i wish i can take you home.
because you're very cute and entertaining.  and very very nice
and sweet to me.  especially Amanda and Steve, Matthew and Brian,
and Laurel who adopt me for long time.  and the nice fat fluffy cats
you have.  it boasts my self-esteem that Madeline liked me a lot.
Honey, now i miss your cats!  Splat still won the most walking pillow
lookalike cat i ever met award.  Madeline is more like a moody living
stuff toy, with an uncompromisingly naughty face.
Amanda's Stupid Kitty..i think this effective name says it all really.
that's my cat highlight.  let me move a little bit onto some other
highlight, such as cows.  this is such a good idea!  there're cows
over the city.  each done by one artist.  the one in the Empire State
is a cow bike, whose license plate word adorns my subject line.
they're all very very nice.

then there're shops.  so many many nice shops for everyone.
sadly i couldn't buy anything much because nice things are
either pricy compare to my money shortage or no my size.
but i love them all the same.  shopping is always fun in new city.
especially huge and cool city like this.  i've been there over
2 weeks and probably have not seen half of the good ones!
i simply cannot walk too much.  everyday i went back home
half wishing i could take my legs off and wrap them in pillows
for a long time.  i can just feel muscle painfully developing
in my feet!  but no need to worry about that, now that i'm
home it'll go away in no time.

and i really like the way you freely live out on your own there.
everyone is free to make your own home.  and your house is
so lovely.  now i understand why my friends who live abroad
are totally into house decor.  i'm quite inspired to do something
with my house, as usual when i see nice house and get really
jealous.  but my house is simply hopeless.  anyway, highlight
highlight.  the magic glass!  firstly, the magic bathroom of Bar 89.
see through when empty but not see through when you get in.
secondly the clever shop window of Miyake.  see through when
you 're in front but not when you're not.  lastly, the bloody shop
window of some furniture shop i walked into the first day i arrived.
that head injury only strenghtened the jetlag effect.  therefore,
they're to blame for all the faux pas i did, period.

and then there's the picnic.  Julie, i'm sorry i failed to bring you
birthday present.  but i'll make it up.  some day.  and Mr. Schatz
who brought the ultra exotic Durian and lychee fruits, i salute you.
both for your courage and thoughtfullness.  i simply can not believe
my eyes (and nose), to walk into a picnic in Central Park and
behold a Durian sitting seductively there.     i'm glad you ended up
almost like it though.   but whatever you do with it, do not
ever keep Durian in the bedroom, please. i shudder to think
what your neighbour will do to you and your smelly room.
and sorry to the delicate one who almost got sick.  it's a hard
to acquire taste, but worthy.  really.

also, i'm sorry i went straight to sleep at the picnic, how rude
of me.  i was a bit sick.  medicine's fault!

highlight is more but i got to sleep now.  maybe until next time.

love,
oon xxx

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From mariasierraflorez at xxx.com  Tue Sep 19 22:23:45 2000
From: mariasierraflorez at xxx.com (Maria Sierra)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:23:45 CEST
Subject: Sinister: 'Falling from Grace'
Message-ID: <F228ghlYmyoZF9byABe00011890@hotmail.com>


Last night I first listened to 'Falling from Grace', the new Gentle Waves' 
single and I'm still very impressed since then.

It's one of the most beautiful songs I have ever heard.

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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Tue Sep 19 21:45:34 2000
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:45:34 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Some Like A Hit
Message-ID: <000001c0227a$9608fda0$5d3d073e@default>

Hola a todos,

Mr Kado, don't you realise your last post was an absolute Gift to Honey, and
may even be immortalised Present-ly in the archive search box via:
"U2;pineapple;rimming"


Don't forget to listen to the Cinerama session on that distinguished looking
Mr Peels's programme on Radio 1 tonight. Their new album Disco Volante is
worth grabbing too, strong tunes, tasteful & in no-way overdone string
arrangements, rocking rhythm section, shiny Albini production, even a
TWP-esque thrash at the end of Wow.


Pinefox, or Brockley Spears as you are known to your army of adoring teen
fans, tell us about Grant McLennan so we can work a few more Lemonheads
references in, please.


Rip van Oon tells me that NY pic(nic)tures can be viewed here:
	www.joannou.net/nypicnic2000/
(hope the photograper doesn't mind me sharing the link.)


Parisian listees should keep a sharp lookout for Princess Honey tarting
around in the Place Pigalle: please give her enough for a coffee & croissant
but not sufficient for any more absinthe or we'll never get her back.


That'll do for now.

Over & out,

David Moore
Chelmsford, UK

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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Tue Sep 19 21:45:34 2000
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:45:34 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Some Like A Hit
Message-ID: <000101c0227a$d4ba2f60$5d3d073e@default>

Hola a todos,

Mr Kado, don't you realise your last post was an absolute Gift to Honey, and
may even be immortalised Present-ly in the archive search box via:
"U2;pineapple;rimming"


Don't forget to listen to the Cinerama session on that distinguished looking
Mr Peels's programme on Radio 1 tonight. Their new album Disco Volante is
worth grabbing too, strong tunes, tasteful & in no-way overdone string
arrangements, rocking rhythm section, shiny Albini production, even a
TWP-esque thrash at the end of Wow.


Pinefox, or Brockley Spears as you are known to your army of adoring teen
fans, tell us about Grant McLennan so we can work a few more Lemonheads
references in, please.


Rip van Oon tells me that NY pic(nic)tures can be viewed here:
	www.joannou.net/nypicnic2000/
(hope the photograper doesn't mind me sharing the link.)


Parisian listees should keep a sharp lookout for Princess Honey tarting
around in the Place Pigalle: please give her enough for a coffee & croissant
but not sufficient for any more absinthe or we'll never get her back.


That'll do for now.

Over & out,

David Moore
Chelmsford, UK

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From llu at xxx.edu  Wed Sep 20 05:22:35 2000
From: llu at xxx.edu (Liqin Lu)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:22:35 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Shrug
References: <20000919042447.28596.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39C83B8B.BBD9DB32@middlebury.edu>

> Maybe there
> is just a lack of depression and sadness.  And
> sometimes sadness is missed as well. Misery is
> sometimes a needed emotion...

i know exactly what ur trying to say, myself being at a school whose
students r so famously known as happy middkids that they even got a
notorious name for being happy (with their lives, with their school). the
fact that i might be the only one at my school feeling not happy is
depressing already... maybe its vermont, chris.

liqin


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From Heffalumping at xxx.com  Wed Sep 20 05:52:41 2000
From: Heffalumping at xxx.com (Heffalumping at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:52:41 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Freeze - Die - Come to Life
Message-ID: <b3.c5fe41.26f99c99@aol.com>

I haven't read the last dozen posts -- give or take a few.  I did read a bit 
about depression, though, on the last one?  Ok, if you want to get a really 
good grasp of dismal and depressing, please rent the Russian movie (1960?) 
called "Freeze - Die - Come to Life."  Dear, dear god.  I just watched it and 
it is so horrible.  Not the film-making.  The film-making is amazing and 
beautiful, but the content is so absolutely dismal.  I rented it because it 
was compared to "400 Blows."  Only a few similarities, but otherwise, not the 
same.  It is worth seeing, but make sure you can call a good friend 
afterwards!  
Susan
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From jordiet at xxx.com  Wed Sep 20 10:51:36 2000
From: jordiet at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano)
Date: 20 Sep 2000 09:51:36 +0000
Subject: Sinister: It´s a sin
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From: karastar at xxx.com (karastar at xxx.com)
Date: 20 Sep 2000 11:00:04 -0400
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From angel_blackwell at xxx.com  Thu Sep 21 01:29:23 2000
From: angel_blackwell at xxx.com (angel blackwell)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:29:23 EDT
Subject: Sinister: wish i had spaghetti sauce with me...
Message-ID: <F134vIPNTAbAWFswl3t0000038a@hotmail.com>

well, this little angel has been working his ass of this week...
i rewarded myself with some online shopping...
ordered tompaulin cd, stars...then some scottish (i think) silly pop, it's a 
personal favourite and i'm a little embarrassed to admit to buying it...one 
of the first times i did drag was to one of these songs...
well in the spirit of previous posts and public nudity, i was a little 
naughty myself. i work in a little warehouse in the gas company in toronto. 
i've been working really long hours and then i noticed that everyone had 
gone home. i've always had little fantasies of doing something naughty in 
there, but it usually involved someone else being there as well...
there is a trick to doing something naughty in there as there are security 
cameras that can see most of the space...but not all...well, i think i'm 
dragging this out, but anyway, i put on IYFS, ran behind the back shelf, and 
then took everything i was wearing off...it was silly, but i'd been there 
for 10 hours doing shit data entry...well, i made myself take everything 
off, stood naked and counted to two (it was supposed to be to five but i 
chickened out) and then quickly put everything back on...
i was pleased with myself...this is as close to public nudity i can 
get...sober anyway...
if anyone is going to mojave 3, saint etienne, or godspeed ybe! in toronto, 
look for me and say hi...
oh and if the cute girl who works at gwartzman's is on here...
"hello, i liked your tshirt as well..."
ab...

The crudity and sparness of life is to be found in public lavatories."
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Thu Sep 21 08:59:01 2000
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:59:01 +0200
Subject: Sinister: V-Twin New Single Excitement Brings Country To Standstill
Message-ID: <000d01c023a1$ea06e0c0$1497243e@itjfvkli>

Any V-Twin fans in the house? If so, you might be interested in the
following, taken from the NME website.....

V-Twin
Delinquency(Domino)

In real life Domino's answer to the Jesus And Mary Chain, everything seems
to have gone a bit weird around at V-Twin's house. The cover of this record
features a man in shades playing the bongos. Inside, V-Twin have given over
one of their traditionally scuzzy bursts of lo-fi rock'n'roll to a host of
'name' remixers. Jagz Kooner (of Primal Scream/Regular Fries fame) turns it
into a pulsating Suicide freak-out, while Gareth Jones (of, er, Depeche Mode
fame) doesn't really do much. On the other side, though, you get Adam & Eve
(aka Neil and Jennifer from Royal Trux) 'remixing' the song to such a
radical and brilliant extent that you suspect they've just re-recorded the
song with them on it. Good idea.

There, that was good, wasn't it?

Peter

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From jonnyfive at xxx.com  Thu Sep 21 13:41:35 2000
From: jonnyfive at xxx.com (jonny five)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:41:35 -0500
Subject: Sinister: composure
Message-ID: <1238220009421124135328@starmail.com>

dear sini,

i seem to be falling further and further behind sini, never reading
messages as they come but scrolling through 14 digests at a time. sorry if
i have insulted anyone...

so, moving home. what a crapfest. i'm in a flat with people who actually
like the Red Hot Chilli Peppers, and it's all a bit upsetting. i did go to
offbeat. sorry if you wore B&S clothing (yes you in the black and white
IYFS t-shirt) and i didn't dare speak to you. i was too busy admiring
people dancing to the state i am in (diagrams available on request), and
trying to get alex to kiss me. still, er, the olympics! absolutely no irony
involved in an opening ceremony which turns the aborigines into a commodity
after spending two centuries trying to eradicate them. nice!

just thought i'd get a mail in before the 2nd and 3rd years return to sini.
lots of love
j.xxx

ps thanks to honey for namechecking me about 13 posts ago
pps where is pauline L. shivers? and can we start a comp. to give her a new
signature. i go for:
mens pulses race
when she's in the place
she's pauline l shivers
and it's love she delivers

that didn't stink much.

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From strappingarab at xxx.com  Thu Sep 21 18:56:19 2000
From: strappingarab at xxx.com (robert smith)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:56:19 PDT
Subject: Sinister: Attention listee's in England!
Message-ID: <F19669EHaz8kI063RA500000ffe@hotmail.com>




Hello again,


anyone that is coming to the Man in the moon in Camden on Saturday to 
celebrate Janne's last night of freedom we are going to be there about 8pm. 
if i'm perfectly honest we'll probably be there well before then but its 
best ot play it safe :}

so then, anyone thats not sure whether they're going to come or not, if you 
are open to bribery then they'll be a free G&T in it for you. plus there 
will  be such list luminaries as Jules Markham, Carsmile and of course me :}
if you want more details send me a mail or if you get lost on sat my number 
is 0403 793076. if you are in the pub we'll be the tall drunk ones with a 
strange ginger girl (you know who you are!) there will probably be lots of 
cords being worn

ok?
sure?
then i'll see you there

robertsmith

p.s. sorry to everyone who's tome this has just wasted.......
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From JENOWL22 at xxx.com  Thu Sep 21 23:36:44 2000
From: JENOWL22 at xxx.com (JENOWL22 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:36:44 EDT
Subject: Sinister: mmm...how queer
Message-ID: <bc.a9ee31c.26fbe77c@aol.com>

Hewwo,

Wow, I feel like poo in a brown paper bag. Because some hard kid though it 
would be really grate fun to punch me in the head really hard. I mean like 
really hard. So, after much drama, and nearly passing out, I went home to 
bed. Next day I decide to be brave/stupid and go to school, feeling all sore 
and tender and headachey. Where I get battered round the head with someone's 
folder. Which made me cry, in front of all the hard kids, which they all 
found really funny. So today wasn't a grate day on the health scale. Oh and 
did I mention that I can't focus with my eyes properly.

It's the school company's night out. As mousy scared looking, absolutely 
useless  secretary, I have to be there. Groan. I don't like bowling.

I'm now addicted to Final Fantasy 7, which I bought for my birthday. And I'm 
now head over heels in love with Aeris. Mmm, and Cloud Strife's pretty nice 
too....OK, shoot me now please. 

I think I'll toddle off now.

Sorry about the lack of  content. I'll post something interesting when all 
the pain goes away.

I just needed to complain. I'm really selfish at heart :)

Hugs,
Jen

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From declan63 at xxx.com  Fri Sep 22 00:29:08 2000
From: declan63 at xxx.com (jay)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:29:08 -0400
Subject: Sinister: mmm...how queer
References: <bc.a9ee31c.26fbe77c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801c02423$bdca9740$2a101218@athen1.ga.home.com>


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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:36 PM
Subject: Sinister: mmm...how queer


> I'm now addicted to Final Fantasy 7, which I bought for my birthday. And I'm
> now head over heels in love with Aeris. Mmm, and Cloud Strife's pretty nice
> too....OK, shoot me now please.

i'm much more of a tifa man myself.  who wouldn't be?  oh come on, cloud, swallow your pride, you will not die, it's not poison.

don't worry jen, the addiction will only get worse.  and then you'll buy the toys.   er......at least......i did.

hmmm, who needs to be shot *now*?

jay, who puts the hopeless back in "hopeless romantic"

"what's this i hear about you and susie?"


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From CaMo81 at xxx.com  Fri Sep 22 02:02:46 2000
From: CaMo81 at xxx.com (CaMo81 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:02:46 EDT
Subject: Sinister: Post from the tired summers mind
Message-ID: <87.f123d3.26fc09b6@aol.com>

    Hi all. Sorry I haven't posted in a while. I've been busy with school. I 
got to see High Fidelity yesterday.  Pretty great.  I knew that they played 
Seymore Stein but I didn't know he actually says "It's the new Belle and 
Sebastian." Twice none the less!
I wish they used a better song though, SS doesn't really represent them well. 
Jenowl: FF7 ehh? I bought it when it first came out. Honestly, one of the 
best games ever made. Keep us posted about Aeris though....
Anyway, I'm going to head outside with my telescope now.  Goodnight

                                                    Derek

    "This Suburb can now be deemed the most ridicuous place in the World" -- 
Radiohead
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From ms664 at xxx.com  Fri Sep 22 03:47:59 2000
From: ms664 at xxx.com (MS)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:47:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: yad yppah a tahw
Message-ID: <20000922024759.4381.qmail@web3305.mail.yahoo.com>

Well don't just feel like a dirty vouyer, and i like
it. i have been on the list for a few months now just
reading everybodys thoughts.
Life has been such a toaster lately (up and down) but
there is always so many good stories on sinister.
Always something to make me smile. But i am happy to
report that today is a happy day. First, i slept in
and was late to uni, which always makes me feel good.
Them when i got here, usually i sit around reading
boreing journals all day, but i have managed to find a
multitude of fun and interesting things to do today.
And, the photocopier was in such a good mood. It made
me feel good. Perhaps a little bit too good? Also when
i got out of bed today, it looked like it would rain
and now, it is such a beautiful day outside. What more
could a child like me ask for.
Happy prospect for the near future. Quiting my job.
Going bush-walking for a while, about 10 days in the
wilds of Tasmania. Where is Tasmania, asks everybody
who does not live in Australia (and possibly a few who
do) It is this little island hanging of the bottom of
Australia. And it has some of the most beautiful and
untouched wilderness areas in the world. I have been a
few time before. It is such a relaxing place to sit a
watch everything and nothing.
Olympics; lets not talk about it.
Today i found two dollars, it made me feel so happy.
And i got a free coffee, it made me feel so jittery.
Thats about it for my dyslexic and disconnected brain.

Micka
-there's nothing as practical as a good theory.


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From ynoh at xxx.edu  Fri Sep 22 06:49:40 2000
From: ynoh at xxx.edu (Youn J. Noh)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:49:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: a ledge
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.04.10009220128520.7748-100000@julius.ling.ohio-state.edu>


Sometimes, do you feel that you're drifting too close to the edge?  But
then it's delicious.

Before Ailsa left with her bride's trousseau, she held up a mirror and
pointed out the correspondence between the first verses of "Slow Graffiti"
and "The Picture of Dorian Gray".  But the objective correlative failed.

To me, it's a story of a chalice held high above a clamoring throng.  The
anguish is not of failed vanity.  To the contrary, that much is said.  But
it's not the same when it's said.  The beauty still lingers there.  A
noble mind among things lost and decayed.  Here the words are like pebbles
thrown one by one, spreading their rings, only merging at the edges: "I
mounted the staircase and gained the upper part of the house.  The high
cold empy gloomy rooms liberated me and I went from room to room singing."
Nancy Packer read that passage and pointed out how the sense of
the adjectives complement each other but don't overlap.  Don't scoff at a
lover's ardor.

Or do you think he really meant for us to?

With love,
Youn



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From julesmarkham at xxx.net  Fri Sep 22 07:59:46 2000
From: julesmarkham at xxx.net (julesmarkham)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:59:46 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Jannes last night of freedom
Message-ID: <001101c02464$471baee0$b019ac3e@tonygeorge>

rob,
I wont be wearing cords, I'll be wearing velvet!
To anyone who is still unsure about coming, there's popping candy :)

The milky bars are on me!
Jules 
(quite flattered at being used as bribery!)

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From karastar at xxx.com  Fri Sep 22 15:43:24 2000
From: karastar at xxx.com (karastar at xxx.com)
Date: 22 Sep 2000 10:43:24 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Toe Jam and Parties!!
Message-ID: <20000922144324.25885.cpmta@c000.iad.cp.net>

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From csf at xxx.com  Fri Sep 22 19:10:05 2000
From: csf at xxx.com (Colin Ferguson)
Date: 22 Sep 2000 18:10:05 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Obscure Children's Television
Message-ID: <20000922181005.8450.qmail@mail.claramail.com>

I warn you now that this post has *ZERO* B&S content.

Amongt my friends, one of the main topics for conversation is on kid's 
TV programmes.  Everyone remembers Mister Men, Button Moon, the Magic 
Roundabout etc., but i have become convinced that Portland Bill, Orm & 
Cheep and Jamie's Magic Torch were all broadcast directly to my house, 
and to no one else.  I may be tempted to believe that I only imagined 
these programmes, save from the fact that i have an old Portland Bill 
jumper, and and Orm & Cheep video.  Orm and Cheep is by far my 
favourite kids TV programme ever.  Basically, it's aobut Orm, a snail, 
and Cheep (duh), a baby bird.  

If anyone remembers these programmes, please post or mail, and we can 
discuss the delights of alternative kid's TV.

Bye

PS.  My brother's just dyed his hair purple, and it's really rather 
funny.



-- 
Colin 

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From colin at xxx.com  Sat Sep 23 00:42:40 2000
From: colin at xxx.com (C Koopman)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:42:40 -0700
Subject: Sinister: new SF indie club
Message-ID: <NEBBKJOOMLFDOLOCHMEEKEBJCKAA.colin@isyndicate.com>

What:  Club Lovely
When:  Wednesday, October 4th, October 18th (every two Wednesdays)

Where:  CoCo Club (minna alley, off of 8th, between Mission & Howard)
Cost:  FREE on October 4th

**

Attention!  This is an open invitation to any and all discerning Indie Pop
enthusiasts who are as disenchanted as we are with the current state of Pop
club options in the bay area.   We invite you to check out what we consider
long awaited & much overdue Indie Pop salvation for SF.  Club Lovely comes
to San Francisco on Wednesday October 4th.   What you'll hear at Lovely is
everything you don't at other supposed 'pop scene' clubs.  You'll experience
an eclectic infectious Pop mix representing each era, genre, and region.

Club Lovely will be free on the first night, October 4th.  We realize that
many of you may be attending the Le Tigre show that night but we encourage
you to stop by anyway, before or after.  No cover charge!  If you end up
working those dancing shoes a little too hard at the show, we understand.
Luckily Lovely takes place every two weeks, so you can head back on the 18th
for your bi-weekly dose of refreshing Pop bliss.

**

Music:
belle and sebastian, magnetic fields (and all things Stephin Merritt),
looper, field mice, blueboy (and plenty more Sarah artists), lucksmiths,
heavenly, lilys, boyracer, the smiths, rocketship, holiday, kahimi karie,
jacques dutronc, new order, joy division, orange juice, pulp, divine comedy,
momus, the free design, saint etienne, april march, jane birkin, stereolab,
clientele, felt, the pastels, le mans, trembling blue stars, suede, orlando,
rialto, the minders, apples in stereo, takako minekawa, toulouse, fantastic
plastic machine, the aluminum group, jacques brel, serge gainsbourg, comet
gain, whistler, hefner, blur, charlatans, stone roses, henry's dress, dylan,
beatles, them, james, inspiral carpets, echo & the bunnymen, ride,
chapterhouse, revolver... just to name a few.

We know that there are others out there that want a night like this as
badly as we do.  After all, we started this club so we could hear the music
we like, the music we always wanted popscene to play but they never
would.  We'd love for you to come out, dance, drink (if you'd like)
and just enjoy hearing great Indie/Twee/Brit/French/Jap Pop in a comfortable
environment with a bunch of like-minded people who share the same
appreciation.  So join us and show some support for a couple of kids trying
to bring back what the bay area once had: An enjoyable, and more
importantly, sincere Indie Pop experience in the tradition of Be My
Ambulance and of course all the great indie clubs from northern England.

Also, be sure to check out Modular Lab which takes place at the CoCo Club
on the opposite Wednesdays of Lovely (Lovely on the 1st and 3rd Wednesday,
Modular Lab on the 2nd and 4th).

**

email to: club_lovely at hotpop.com

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From brandtpfundak at xxx.com  Sat Sep 23 04:55:49 2000
From: brandtpfundak at xxx.com (Brandt Fundak)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:55:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: An observation
Message-ID: <20000923035549.835.qmail@web1804.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all.

I got really drunk during happy hour on Friday night
and when i got home I got lethargic and sat on my ass,
watching the Olympics.

Contrary to what we have heard, the stars of track and
field are NOT beautiful people.

Thank you.

Brandt

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From kpc98c at xxx.UK  Sat Sep 23 18:41:16 2000
From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:41:16 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Chuckie's just a baby
Message-ID: <200009231738.SAA05972@missprint.org>

Hello,

I am going back to nottingham tomorrow, grate!  Bye bye Grey MK!  I can't 
wait, it would also help if I have started packing too, but, I, er haven't.. 
hmm.

carle groom said:
"i suspect you've forgotten the one spot at which all gents whistle like
a flock of songbirds: the gents; aka, the public urinal."

Yes, but such whistling is nothing compared to the magical sound that comes 
out of the cubicles..

During my time at work I have spent a lot of time taking "natural breaks" 
in the loo, which at the start seems like an ideal way of earning extortionate
wages.

What I didn't know is that it comes at a price.. the kind of chilling, 
shivering wails of the mixture of pain and relief that comes from the other 
cubicles when they're performing their natural duties simply drives you 
insane.  I am always left mentally disturbed everytime I walk out of the 
toilet.

I do apologise if you are eating whilst reading this mail... esp if it is 
chocolate cream cake.


then he said:
"seems to have something to do with the plumbing. (please feel free to 
create any double/triple entendres you may like from this. i prefer being 
the straight banana--more or less. which also leads to even more innuendo.)"

Which leads to more shocking things that I've discovered from other cubicles, 
but I'm not discussing it here.


Slightly less grim topic now I guess...

jonny five said:
"i did go tooffbeat. sorry if you wore B&S clothing (yes you in the black 
and white IYFS t-shirt) and i didn't dare speak to you. i was too busy 
admiring people dancing to the state i am in (diagrams available on request)"

I was of course one of the dancing queens on the dance floor, making all the 
kool movez, it was a shame that no one has taken up my offer to start a 
"slow-mo-mosh" in time to the music, I'm sure it would have been so grate and 
put all metallers to shame.  

So I only restricted myself to doing a couple of head bangs.. I didn't dare 
do the air trumpet.  And yes, offbeat was g!r!o!o!v!y!  Thank you stoo too 
for letting me kip on your floor/pokimon colony. :-)

I have been drinking sooooooooooooooooo much vodka and red bull this week, 
but not too much, mind you, because you can never have too much red bull.

slow moshes and red bulls!
Ken
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From wpsalt at xxx.com  Sat Sep 23 11:02:16 2000
From: wpsalt at xxx.com (Will Salt)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:02:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Trains that go bump in the night
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10009231057360.23592-100000@candle.btinternet.com>


I've just been catching up on a *huge* backlog of sinister posts, and I
found this from a week ago:

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, David White wrote:

> Speaking of trains, British Rail (or whatever they are called these days)
> really are hopeless aren't they. I say this as a regular train traveller,
> but today they surpassed themselves. In the one week when trains have become
> much more important since people can't use cars (petrol shortage in the UK
> for all those overseas listees), they decide to introduce a brand spanking
> new train at Glasgow Central station. Except that the damn thing got no
> further than 100 yards out of the platform before it derailed and thus
> caused pandemonium for all subsequent trains in and out of the station.
> D'oh!

You see, I have some friend-of-a-friend inside information on this.  The
derailing of the train wasn't a problem.  The problem was that it started
moving *by itself*; when the panicking staff realised it was heading on to
the main line, they derailed it deliberately.  These brand spanking new
trains will, therefore, have to sit around doing nothing for a year or so,
whilst men with clipboards look at their brakes and go "hmmm..."

Yours, belatedly (and suchlike)

-- 
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From speirs at xxx.edu  Sat Sep 23 23:21:28 2000
From: speirs at xxx.edu (Kendra M Speirs)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:21:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: green to red
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10009231734390.9800-100000@dolphin.upenn.edu>


dear sinister ....

there is an unidentified liquid on this keyboard ... one i only discovered
when the tips of my index fingers made contact with the f and the j. at
this little green imac in the corner of a science lab ... three inches
from the scale on which we weigh out heaps of toxic chemicals and just
below a shelf packed with numerous brown bottles with tiny skulls and
crossbones printed on their labels and long lists of the possible short
and long term effects of skin contact ... i am a bit nervous. but so far,
no burning or itching sensations.  if you don't hear from me for awhile,
you might guess what has happened.

i'm off to see modest mouse at the electric factory in philly -- monday
night ... if anyone in or around the area would like to join. i'm being
accompanied by two argentinians and an american girl ... but would be
curious and delighted to meet some fellow sinisterians.  
..............


it is a sheet of dark grey outside and a heavy mist ... remanents of that
tropical storm from florida. all elaborate cloud patterns and shocks of
lightning, intense downpours and forceful haphazard wind gusts have
faded out. it is still. still and grey. 

until later,
kendra

 .... love to jt, buried in another lab, in another land ... and the
newest addition to sinister ...








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From pinefox at xxx.com  Sun Sep 24 03:44:26 2000
From: pinefox at xxx.com (P F)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:44:26 GMT
Subject: Sinister: I went to Oxford and all I got was this lousy Carsmile Steve T-shirt
Message-ID: <LAW-F75XlaoY99EXxt5000025a6@hotmail.com>



Mooro had some fabulous things to say. In that a) I've been wondering where 
Mooro has been and how he is - I was walking the streets or provincial 
England only today, and found myself wondering about Mooro - but also b) he 
used clever phrases like 'Brockley Spears' and 'teen fans'. The thing is, I 
still don't understand what he was actually on about. Do you? If Mooro wants 
someone to talk about the Go-Betweens he knows full well that Ally96 is the 
man in possession. In possession of what, we're not sure, and nor is he. 
Still, whatever it was that Mooro was asking me to do, I'm grateful to be 
asked.

Peter Miller also asked me about Lloyd and mothers' cars. I suppose we could 
go right back to scratch with '2CV' - talk about lyrical mood, melody, 
arrangement and all. You know, that song has been covered in London some 
time in the last 18 months. Covered with a tarpaulin, at times. '*Aw*ful'.

I shall not go on, thanks to the abysmal character of this computer link. Do 
you think that Martin R might finally read what I've written, now it's as 
brief as a candle?















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From Thefoxxinthesnow at xxx.com  Sun Sep 24 04:36:15 2000
From: Thefoxxinthesnow at xxx.com (Thefoxxinthesnow at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:36:15 EDT
Subject: Sinister: hey there
Message-ID: <33.a8ae932.26fed0af@aol.com>

hello everyone-  i'm a newbie to the mailing list so i thought i'd introduce 
myself...  my name is lauren-  i could very well be the youngest member of 
the list, being that i am only 16 (a junior in high school)  i live near san 
fran CA.. 

i adore belle and sebastian, as well as numerous other indie bands..  
and i guess thats it for now
nice meeting you

lauren
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From elenita99 at xxx.com  Sun Sep 24 13:01:47 2000
From: elenita99 at xxx.com (elenita99)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:01:47 CEST
Subject: Sinister: Burritos, Barcelona, Baxendale and more....
Message-ID: <LAW-F273qj0CYixMwIn0000282e@hotmail.com>

My darling Sinister,

I am back! Yeah! I missed all your posts so much!
So many things happened in those two last months and I've got plenty to tell 
you! I will be nice and use that "little title" method so if you are not 
really interested you can avoid some bits or the whole post :)

-Mexico-
Mexico was ace. It was the best holidays I've ever had, really. I could go 
on and on during hours on everything I saw, everyone I've met, and all my 
discoveries but you might find it a bit boring :). Anyway I've you want more 
details and/or pics you know where to find me.

-Barcelona, take 1-
After all that travelling, I didn't even had time to say hello to my mum and 
I was off to Barcelona. 10 hours of train (better than flying but still...), 
a torture, as I ended up on the 7th hour without any battery in my MD. I 
thought I'd die but finally no.
Barcelona is SO nice. The city is beautiful, it's warm, people are nice and 
I might even learn some words of catalan. (I might, be careful)

-Barcelona and fellow listees-
Well, as any well-educated sinistereen, I phoned Mr Jordi after getting 
there. And I've even met him. (here I see some people getting jealous) Which 
was really nice.
Then he promised to introduce me to Mr Miller, but well it seems that Mr 
Miller is away for the week-end or doesn't answer the phone. Argh. So I'll 
make this official: Mr Miller, are you up for a drink? I'll be nice and 
polite and I won't take a picture of you unless you want to (even if some 
listees offered me indecent amounts of money for your pic)

-Barcelona and the Independent Music Festival-
As I am a lucky person I arrived on time to enjoy that lovely festival. 
Which has been a success so far...

On Friday night we saw Baxendale! I must apologise here to Erica, Han and 
all Baxendale fans for all I previously said: they rock. The gig was really 
really good, I danced all around and enjoyed myself so much. I also 
discovered I had a crush on Alex, but then Trousers told me he's got a 
girlfriend, and "she is a cutie", he said. So am I :). But I bet poor Alex 
doesn't know it. Argh. Life is unfair.

On Saturday we saw Piano Magic, and it was pretty cool, and The Mongolfier 
Brothers, who were very very good. Not dancing all around the place, but 
well I am not only a soul girl, after all :)

Tonight is the last night, but my God what a night! The Bluetones, Sexy 
Sadie, The Satellites are playing. So I think I will enjoy myself once more. 
How cool is life these days...Well apart from the fact I am still homeless, 
but music feeds me, you know.

Well that is it for today, don't expect me to be so talkative next time, but 
well it has been a while...
Love to you all
Elena


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From zutroy at xxx.org  Sun Sep 24 18:42:01 2000
From: zutroy at xxx.org (kerry)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:42:01 -0500
Subject: Sinister: japanese books, reading in bed, fight club, and trains
Message-ID: <200009241748.e8OHm4520268@rad3.1stup.com>

Hello sinister, long time since i've sat down and written to you.
I finally figured out how to sync all of my email folders to my palmpilot. Do you know what this means? It means that i now read all of my email.
For example, today is sunday, and i neither have work nor school, so i woke up on my own, without the aid of an alarm clock. My trusty palm was sitting beside my bed, all full up with email downloaded from the previous night. So do you know what i did? I read my mail in bed. How fantastic. Although i'm kind of hungry, i'm still in bed and i don't really feel like getting up yet. So i may just sit here and read.
Have any of you ever read any of the "i am a cat" books by soseki natsume? They really are fantastic. Turn-of-the-century (19th-20th, that is) japanese satire written from the viewpoint of a cat with no name. I think the word "twee" was probably created to describe these books specifically. 
On the other hand, though, i might get out of bed and watch fight club. I'm not really sure why, but i love that movie. It might have something to do with the line about marla being like the cut on the roof of your mouth that would heal if only you would stop tongueing it.
On to more sinister-related stuff.
Will Salt wrote in response to a post about brand-spanking-new trains falling off the tracks to let us know it was intentional, and the brakes didn't work. I just wanted to say that i liked the story better when the trains couldn't stay on the tracks for more than 100 yards. It reminded me of that little man on the tricycle on laugh-in that would ride onscreen then fall over.
And, last but not least, i was wondering if any of you chicagoland sinisterines would be interested in a meetup sometime. You know, just go out and get a beer or something. 
write me privately if you're interested.

-kerry

p.s. - Brandt is absolutely right about the stars of track and field.

"we're special in other ways. ways our mothers appreciate."
	- built to spill, "kicked it in the sun"



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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Sun Sep 24 20:18:52 2000
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:18:52 +0100
Subject: Sinister: What's It All About?
Message-ID: <000001c0265c$4ed80300$1e4801d5@default>

Hi There,

Local venue The Army & Navy lists amongst the gigs by Wishbone Ash & endless
tribute bands one on October 9th by Snow Patrol, supported by Cut The Rock &
"Belle & Sebastian DJ's". Does anyone know more about this? Are Richard &
Beans maybe out on the road with Snow Patrol?


Although Stuart hasn't yet publicly declared what talent he's auctioning, it
would seem to involve a Chauffeur's uniform: see
http://www.myspace.co.uk/belleandsebastian/news.html

for further info. Anyone* fancying him in a peaked cap, knee boots &
jodhpurs would do well to move to, or be living in, the Bay Area,
apparently.


Well, I've only strutted & fretted for a couple of minutes, but that's all
there is.

Bye,

David Moore
Chelmsford, UK

*Actually, I know who this is :)

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From jono427 at xxx.net  Sun Sep 24 20:28:38 2000
From: jono427 at xxx.net (John Maxwell)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:28:38 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Sinister: What fun school is ( with a little topping of arse)
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From timmins_g at xxx.com  Mon Sep 25 05:17:51 2000
From: timmins_g at xxx.com (lipgloss and cigarettes)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:17:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: who likes gymnasts then
Message-ID: <20000925041751.13778.qmail@web1607.mail.yahoo.com>

hello sinister

this is one of them first post things, even though
i've been on the list for ages but finally getting the
internet at home means i can actually keep up with
list messages. and maybe even use the scarey chat
rooms some day, even if the computer which i get to
use here is of fisher-price standards. i've just been
catching up with the list, which is quite a few emails
indeed and i think i've been affected my some weirdy
computer radiation waves cos i've gone all funny so
sorry if this is too rubbish (and that my excuse for
everything i write from now on). its been quite weird
reading posts about sodastream who are from my small
and dull part of the world, i remember going to see
gigs by karl's previous band as a 15 year old school
girl and swoon over his hunched shoulders and songs
about penguins. hmmm sad times indeed. speaking of
school memories John Maxwell nearly got expelled for
for flashing his arse at school. i nearly had the same
experience except my misdemeanour was running topless
across the halls at school camp (for a dare, assisted
with plenty of booze, not cos i'm an exhibitionist
like) and i got a proper telling off and was banned
from further camps. he also described a lovely place
he lives at which sounds amazing - i live about 20
minutes from a big waterfall which i used to go and
sit near a lot but probly take it for granted cos i've
not been there for ages. mmm tranquille indeed, i
think i might go later this week. i'm currently on
holidays from university for 2 weeks instead of the
ususal 1, specifically because of the olympics. a bit
mad but i'm not complaining. and yeah, stars of track
and field are not the most beautiful people i've seen
and have crap hair. gymnasts on the other hand are a
bit alright, but maybe thats just me. oh and my
tenuous b+s content - in regards to slow-mo-moshing
brought up by ken - i seen it happen, albeit by only
two people - to Expectations. tres bizarre.
is anyone else excited about the auctions?? i probly
live too far away for the best things up for bid and
too skint as well, i can but try
love, k xxx

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From velocity_girl_is at xxx.uk  Mon Sep 25 10:28:49 2000
From: velocity_girl_is at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?velocity=20farewell?=)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:28:49 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: In ThiS SeaSidE TowN ThaT TheY FoRgoT To BurN DowN...
Message-ID: <20000925092849.20665.qmail@web3003.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello sinister,

I'd like to worn you before you start reading, those
of you who will anyway; it's not going to be a
cheerful letter...
Today we had the first rain... I woke up with the
sound of rain falling down... it was about 9pm... I
fell back to sleep again.. is it only me who finds the
sound of rain falling down reassuring? And it was so
chilly... quite a difference from the 30-35c that we
were used to... so, I cuddled again under my duvet,
feeling happy, safe, content.. It was still raining
when I woke up... the sky was grey and the air was
carrying the smell of wet soil...
I listened to some music... his voice seems to have
haunted me... it was following me around for the rest
of the day...
Eventually the sun came out in all its glory... my
server was down; and it remained down the whole day...
I had to indulge myself with the pleasures of an
internet café, once more... But I did meet some
friends and I was offered a radio show in a station
here... I don't know what I'll do as they want me to
play 5 days a week from 4-6pm... and they don't pay
for it...
My friend Aris told me that Matt (the sarah and
shinkansen records bloke) said that once he received a
letter from a guy who was writting that he had kissed
the girl he had fallen in love with for the first time
whilst listening to "Pristine Christine"... I don't
know why, but this story made me feel all nice...
The server was still down when I came back home...
And the weather was so melancholic... I thought that I
should read and then walk spooky the dog at the
beach... it was 10pm...
It was so beautiful! The moon was struggling its way
through some heavy clouds... it's a fading summer...
I've just realised... autumn is here... once more...
The sand was full of jellyfishes washed off by the
waves... I was trying not to step on them since
they're so very slimy... if that's the word... there
was this café which was packed the whole summer... but
now there was noone there, noone but an old woman
sitting alone at a table talking on her mobile
phone...
I could hear some music coming from a bar... I could
see the beacon's light going on and off...
Some boys arrived on their motorbikes... Spooky tried
to go into this café and a cat attacked her! The old
bloke who owns the place came out to the door and told
me to take spooky away cause the "cat will eat her"!
Yes! I looked at the sea... the boys were laughing at
the old man and the "dog-eater cat"... I looked at the
sea and walked across the beach once more... I
couldn't see the moon... heavy, grey clouds had taken
over... but I could see the silver light coming
through the clouds and onto the surface of the
water... magical... I could feel the sand under my
feet... I wanted to swim... If...
I stopped by the kiosk on my way back home to buy some
cigarettes... someone called my name... it was this
woman who lives in the same building as I... we had a
small talk over the same old banalities... then she
left... and I bought my cigarettes and starting
walking again, pondering upon these small town
dialectics... they make you feel comfortable and safe
in their own silly way... I came back home... the
server's still down...
It's 11pm... I think I'll make a tape... someone
called but I don't want to go out...
I've been having weird dreams lately... since I came
back to Greece... are dreams a diversion to reality...
I once read a book in which it was written: "dreams
are cruel and if you loved me you wouldn't ask me
about my dreams... I have no dreams... I can't
dream... and I'm so grateful for that"... not in these
words exactly though, but very close... an italian
author, can't remember his name... he was an nobel
prize winner... but I bare no respect for nobel prize
winners... and I was really dissapointed when I found
out that Camus had accepted his... where as Sartre,
whom I always disliked, turned it down... what am I
talking about?
Anyway, I think there's nothing left to say at this
point... I do hope I didn't bore you to tears... just
some random thoughts... whilst his voice is still
echoing in my head... 

take care all of you,
             Vel xxx


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From sweetie_something at xxx.com  Mon Sep 25 10:43:58 2000
From: sweetie_something at xxx.com (sweetie something)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:43:58 GMT
Subject: Sinister: the weirdest weekend
Message-ID: <F13BRJLr11Gqrf77brZ00002afc@hotmail.com>

sinister

well no not really
is the answer to ur question
twasnt the weirdest weekend
just thought
hmm, for a subject
tis rather gid
:)

glasgow on saturday
i saw a b&s fan wearing a iyfs t
and a brown shirt over and
brown troosers (methinx)
walking up buch st
and i wanted to say hi
but i am too pansy
:/

i go to a mosher club in falkirk
called the engine room
tis sooper
on friday i went in the pit
for the 1st time
and the swellbellys (a band) gave me a free
t shirt
coz i stayed in the pit for their
whole set
i was chuffed
:)

on saturday
on queeen st
just after exiting flip and
the hellfire club
a randomn bloke came up to me
(stranger likes)
and told me that
i was that punk
:)
=
yeah look out 4 me
i have a 3.5" mohican
and 3 wee fluffy tied
up bits on either side
and piercings

its my birthday 2mo
ill be turning the
stoopid age of
17
oh yes,
17
is a very stoopid age
another year older
another year (none the) wiser
another year closer to DEATH!!!!

the one i love has been gone
2 weeks today
5 weeks to go
saw him off at the train station
walking away from that train was
the hardest thing ive ever had to do

b4 i am
over and out
i have one last thing i need to mention
PICNIC!
i cAnt wAit till the next one!
even if its snow!
even better if its snow!

for now
that is all

slinkies and sticklebricks
your friend always
sweetie
xox
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From mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk  Mon Sep 25 13:39:20 2000
From: mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk (fiona)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:39:20 BST
Subject: Sinister: talkin bout guns like i ain got nun, wot d'you think i sold em a
Message-ID: <D8454EB5548@mail1.mcc.ac.uk>

hey kidz,
      i was getting post withdrawl so i thought i'd send you all
happy monday wishes to greet the beginning of another week in which i 
fully intend to get up during the morning every single day.
  i successfully achieved this somewhat unnatural feat last week and 
couldn't believe how much better i felt for it. this morning i even 
got up early and sat watching the olympics which i am compleeeetely 
obsessed with, today's athletics being particularly exciting as we 
actually have some medal hopes. so a sinister big up nuff respect 
goes out to all the competitors (especially the british ones).

  but did anyone see the guy who won gold on the gymnastic rings 
thingies??  good lord!! i just don't understand how anyone can do 
that.
   oh and before i forget, props are also due to the commentating 
team who have seemingly been staying awake all day and all night 
just to anchor the olympic coverage (i don't know if this is the case 
for other countries, but the bbc team have certainly been overdosing 
on caffeine).

  i have been dogged with illness though, as the other morning 
i woke up, having suffered some kind of allergic reaction, with my 
face swollen into a huge balloon-esque affair. i'm ok now, but it did 
make me feel less than confident which in turn has led me to discover 
a remedy for lack of confidence, namely buying a hair magazine and 
trying styles out on myself and making them look better than in the 
pictures. so today i am sporting a dramatic diagonal parting and 
flicks all round and i feel g!r!a!t!e!

  i'm sure i saw a boy in my logic lecture on friday with upside down 
b+s badges attached to his bag, my eyes may have been deceiving me, 
but if you are said maths student at manchester university email me 
and i will say hello (i'm that slightly scary looking girl who always 
sits on her own near the back)
  and while i'm on the subject, if chris_t_opher has sorted out 
pooter access at uni you email me again too and i'll finally meet 
you.

  on the jeepy forum there is some talk of a meetup in manchester at 
the star and garter this saturday, i am well up for meeting some cool 
kids and i'm sure we can extend it to a sini-meet although i'm not 
too pleased about the venue as certain people close to me are barred 
from going. but if anyone wants to join in / has suggestions look on 
the meetupos bit on the forum or mail me or something and someone 
will finalise details.

  last week, i decided that this year i really would write for our 
uni newspaper, after all you get free gig tickets and records and 
stuff, so i plucked up the courage to go along to the first meeting. 
to my horror i realised that i had at some time, managed to offend or 
abuse just about everyone involved with the music section (mostly 
when i was drunk) and so i hung my head in shame and scuttled out of 
the room. .... if any of the aforementioned people ar reading this, 
as i know some have been on the list in the past, i really am 
sorry....  never have i been so embarassed and never before did i 
understand why it was bad to get drunk and do stoopid things, but now 
i see the error of my ways and i'll make sure i always have someone 
on hand to restrain me when i'm in a room with cheap vodk
  despite this, now i'm in the mood for writing, so my assosciate / 
bloke and i are starting our own fanzine type thing. however what i 
gain in enthusiasm i lack in inspiration, so if anyone has any ideas 
or anything pleeeeease help me. thanks.

  seem to have spent this post just asking people to do stuff for me, 
but i just didn't have anything constructive to say about the 
beatles, lloyd cole or whatever else is being discussed just now. 
guess i'll just have to think of something controversial to say next 
time.
  well, it's still nice to be back,
                           love and irn-bru,
                                                  fiona


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From n.barr at xxx.uk  Mon Sep 25 13:42:37 2000
From: n.barr at xxx.uk (Niall Barr)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:42:37 +0100
Subject: Sinister: V-Twin update (and a bit of B&S content)
Message-ID: <39CF564D.27924.EB2038@localhost>

Hi all,
The new V-Twin single, "Delinquency", is in the shops now. (in the 
UK at least, it's probably only available from very specialist import
shops in other countries) It features Chris playing his 303, and 
Stevie playing his electric sitar.

A mini-album, "Free the Twin" which is a compilation of almost all 
the tracks from the first four singles is being released at the end of
next month. 

The are also playing live on the 5th October at The Lemon Tree in 
Aberdeen, supporting Teenage Fanclub. The gig is part of the 
Radio 1 Evening session 10th birthday celebration, and parts will 
be transmitted live and webcast. More info at-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/inside_r1/session_scotland/news.shtml
where there's also an article about B&S's auction.

Niall.
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From honey at xxx.org  Mon Sep 25 14:13:40 2000
From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:13:40 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: French and Latin (and Biology and Maths)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0009251333150.7314-100000@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>

Autumn's great isn't it?  Not only do you get crunchy leaves underfoot
and an overwhelming desire to hide in leaf piles and jump out at
passers by, but it gets nice and cold, you can wear scarves and coats,
which are great, and you can put the fire on and get all TOASTy.  That
along with the fact that it's got two consonants next to each other
*one of which you don't pronounce!* makes it a top season.  Mind you,
it's a dangerous precedence, this consonant stuff.  What will those
secretive Season Boffins in their labcoats think of next?  A season
spelled such that you don't pronounce *any* of its letters?  That
wouldn't be easy.  Oh my god I've just thought, what if they've
invented a season already which doesn't HAVE any letters and NONE OF US
KNOW.  Help.

Autumn in french is Automne, which is arguably even better than the
english version.  It wasn't quite Automne in Paris last week, but it
was fairly leafy I can tell you.  Sorry we didn't catch up with any
french listees while we were there, but we only really decided to go
the day before, because all the petrol was running out in the UK, and
there was stacks of it in Paris.  Next time I'll mail a few people, for
back we shall go, because Paris was sooper.  We hung about the Marais
district being quite gay, and after a phone message (it's fixed) from
David Moore, popped in at Saint Chappelle, which was truly merveilleux,
even under deep cloud.  Mr Moore's french is quite good isn't it?  I
reckon he's the hot favourite to start a french B&S list.  Oon messaged
me too from Thailand, which shows what you can do with an elephant
wired up to the mains, and Starry taught me the french word for "flu".
And we had a running commentary of the last day of Big Brother from the
quite delicious Mark C, accompanied by lady-in-waiting Lucy and hommes
des affaires, Martin and Ally.  Martin bet a fiver on Craig with Linda
and won, but I bet she won't pay up.

The other great thing about Autumn is that all the new releases come
out roundabout now, so if you're gainfully employed you can stock up
for Winter (two adjacent consonants, but sadly you pronounce them both)
like a squirrel, or if you're a stoodent or a schooly, you can go on a
massive stealing spree in Woolworths.  I did the squirrelly thing, and
bought some stuff in Virgin, France (tenuous B&S connection: they used
to sell B&S in Europe before Jeepster became Jeepster International
Enterprises Incorporated) including some things I'm not sure are
released in the UK.  A wonderful LP from Brazil by Bebel Gilberto
called "Tanto Tempo", who turns out not to be related to Astrid
(bluffing here) but the daughter of Bossa Nova master Joao Gilberto,
who I haven't heard but suspect I should have.  It's a lovely LP.  And
also someone called Pink Martini or something which is again latiny but
seems to come from the US.  The sticker on the cover proudly announces
it contains a track off a Citroen advert called "Je Ne Veux Pas
Travailler", a sentiment I can entirely agree with after my return to
work.  You've all probably had this CD for ten years.

Back in the UK, still gathering nuts, I was pleased to see Cinerama's
LP which I popped in my pouch, but haven't actually listened to yet,
and thrilled that the Montgolfier Brothers LP was out on Alan McGee's
new label, but a little disconcerted when I got home and realised it
was a re-release of the one I got on import.  It's worth listening to
twice though, particularly "Pro Celebrity Tarting Around".

Squirrels have cheeks, not pouches, don't they.

Anyway enough of all this seasonal buffoonery, because when I got back
to Castle Sinister, I found an envelope with quite the best artificial
rose I've ever seen contained within.  This is the promised prize for
the theoretical competition we could theoretically have if someone
theoretically suggested one and offered to run it, as per my last
mail.  Steve Carsmile suggested a painting competition, I suspect nude,
but has gone ominously quiet about it.  I think it's a good idea
though.  Honestly, this rose is the tops, it has plastic thorns and
everything.  No wonder the BBC keep upping the TV licence fee and
talking about introducing adverts.  Does anyone else want to run a
silly competition and judge it?  Please someone suggest something or
I'm keeping it, and wearing it behind my ear at work, which will get
me the sack, then I'll have to stop running Sinister, and then you'll
all have to join the Status Quo list.

Akela!  We'll do our best.
Honey xxx


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From angel_blackwell at xxx.com  Mon Sep 25 15:15:12 2000
From: angel_blackwell at xxx.com (angel blackwell)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:15:12 EDT
Subject: Sinister: sorry, oh sinister derek...
Message-ID: <F238sOwYEIEktho3sD1000037f4@hotmail.com>

ummm...welcome to another shitty monday morning...
just another reminder to all those still in school...
do well...i'm reminded every monday morning that i wish i was smarter and 
did better in school...this work thing blows...

ummm...that wasn't very nice, but i'm another faceless corporate whore and i 
hope to save others from being trapped here...

there's a little sinister toronto boy who was at blow up on saturday that i 
sadly missed meeting, i think his name is derek...he introduced himself to 
my friend, beth, who had a 3..6..9...badge on, right-side up. she told me 
all about it but sadly i didn't run into you again...i was wearing my 
ampersand shirt, i thought that wearing a badge as well might have been a 
little overkill...plus that place intimidates me so much, i didn't wanna 
stand out.

was visiting the strange land that str8 families usually occupy and had a 
loverly time. went to medieval times on saturday, b4 blow up...it was the 
previously mentioned girl's birfday and 17 of us were cheering on our 
valiant yellow night...he died. i'd been to one of these places in nj, and 
it was no way as violent as this one...us violent candadians...
ummm...then went to a bluejay game...my mother has decided that my father 
and my bf should start trying to be civil towards each other...the action in 
the stands was much more interesting than the lousy baseball game...

bye for now...
ab.

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From idleberry at xxx.com  Mon Sep 25 17:16:51 2000
From: idleberry at xxx.com (Kristin Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:16:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Back in Norfolk... ooh dear...
Message-ID: <20000925161651.26588.qmail@web614.mail.yahoo.com>

hi all,
I tried to read the three sinner digests in my inbox,
but to be honest, I am drunk and I got lost between
words.
It all looked nice though. So well done all the past
three day posters for making pretty posts. Maybe when
I can read it coherently I can pass judgement on its
content or at least "absorb" it. Sorry Honey, I
promise I won't judge content, I really won't.  shall
absorb it only.

I am back now in Norwich at uni. Met my flatmates, who
seen normal and nice and cool, and let me smoke to my
hearts content and talk rubbish and stuff. All the
things my ex flatmates didn't like. But I think I
would have gotten on better with Hitler and Mousolinni
last year. Excuse spelling, but there is a Smirnoff
Ice promotion at the union bar and its only costing
like a quid a bottle. 

I am wearing my magic study at stow t shirt, and so
far someone asked if it was a refernce to stowmarket.
Which I think is where illegal ravers and horse racers
hang out.

So i explained briefly to him, and he still looked
none the wiser.

Yeah, so this is day three of drinking. and day two of
hangovering. 

And I love it! I feel better! i FEEL happier, expect
for yesterfday when I missed my boyfriend cos I had a
bad dream.

And I want to sort everything out I need sorting out.
I want to start the social buttering and flying, which
so far is easy, as I meet my pals, and we celebrate
being back at uni and I get hammered every time.

And I saw my teachers and they looked happy with me.
Especially when i TOLD them how much of my essay I
have started (multipy actuality by two) and they were
so impressed.
Ah, lies impress people.

Plus the mean dean is gone, so we can run riot til she
reappears and gives us the look that makes us scurry
off with good intentions to hide.

My room is luvely. It is. I have a balcony and
everything and a window bench the width of the room
and a humungous wardrobe. Its really humungous.
really!!! really really!!

And I live in a moderately dodgy area, but not as
dodgy as dodgy scottish places. But it has a newagent,
and a church, and a bus stop, and trees, and a
pavement, and a road, and a village hall. and a local
pub where the locals scowl at you, so I think I'll
avoid that. And vandalised public phones too.

I feel so at home. It could be Livingston. Apart from
all the livvy schemies with their ability to turn all
vowels into "u".

Nor do they wear russell athletic jumpers and chew gum
between glossy red licorcice lips. 

I met people too. SHALL tell all when I am sobered. 

Anyway darlings. Any UEA'rs here may contact me.
Possibly.

Byee!
drunken fool berry.

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From ppyrrjs at xxx.uk  Mon Sep 25 17:18:47 2000
From: ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:18:47 +0100
Subject: Sinister: I'm every woman, it's all in me!
Message-ID: <39CF88F7.29940.5A65F5@localhost>

Hello!

      Here I am again, back from my ho-li-day, which, seeing as I am a 
student and therefore need my rest, was three munfs long. Blimmin 
'eck. I wasn't too bored though, for I spent a whole munf in Tenerife, 
saving the whales, which was dead ace. "Quick he's drowning! 
Throw me the water wings!" That was fun, and while I was there, the 
crew of the boat I was on taught me the dance to a song called La 
Bomba. BOOMMBBBAAAAA! I had to stand at the front of the boat 
when that song came on and wiggle my little bottom at the tourists, 
trying to get them to dance along, which they rarely did. It was fun, 
though and it was sunny and I got tanned to the tips of my toes.
      I arrived home, thinking things were going to be really dull, 
working as usual at the petrol station in Kidderminster, when a 
bunch of greasy hoons decided to block the petrol supplies and I 
found myself on the front line of a national catastrophe! "Man the 
pumps!" "No, don't pump the man!". It was my job to run around in 
the little yellow "Emergency Vest" and direct traffic and work out if 
that man really is a policeman like he says or if he's just wearing an 
important looking hat.
	Things are back to normal now, and the petrol station became 
boring again, so it's quite nice to be back here. It was good to be 
able to jump on a bus or a bike for a while without any cars about, 
though.
       Stuart Murdoch has just joined our indie music club here at 
Nottingham. He just doesn't know it yet... he he...

       Robin xxx
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From silviauollano at xxx.it  Mon Sep 25 18:48:30 2000
From: silviauollano at xxx.it (Silvietta)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:48:30 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The circus ass is feeling melancholy
Message-ID: <001a01c02718$dfb2a8a0$b2381597@default>

Dear Sinisters,

I was discharged from the nursery some days ago, but I haven't introduced myself
yet. So... here I am. I'm twenty-one, from Rome, and my B&S "experience" is real
recent actually. What more...?

There's a circus in fromt of my house. Actually there's the elementary school I
used to attend about a century ago in front of my house. Beside my old school
there's a farm, or something like that, with pink walls, green windows and a
dark red roof. A grassland surrounds this farm, where you can see sheep feeding
if you're lucky, which is funny in a way, 'cos it's true I live in the suburbs,
but not *that* suburbs.:-) Anyway, the people running the farm have let their
grassland to a circus these days. Living so close to it, I can hear every single
noise coming from the circus, which is rather ennerving if you ask me, 'cos I
have to
spendhome most of my time for studying. The oddest noise is the sad, piercing
braying of an ass. I was wondering what an ass can do in a circus actually. Oh
well...

Ciao,
Silvia.

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From steven.kado at xxx.ca  Tue Sep 26 02:53:45 2000
From: steven.kado at xxx.ca (Steven Kado)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:53:45 -0400
Subject: Sinister: pushing past eachother to drink coffee and lemonade
References: <20000918213247.460.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com>
Message-ID: <005301c0275c$9cd2a960$6c02a7d1@yesic.com>

so,

how are you all?

i am also thrilled at it being fall.  fall is like spring only it goes on
longer and you know more new people who seem more attractive based almost
exclusively on their being a novelty.  and leaves fall.  and you learn new
things that seem initially very exciting before they become tragically
boring.

so robyn fadden thinks that i'm stealing her life...and she wants to jump on
a plane and come 'fix my little red wagon'?  well. i hope she knows (as i
think she does actually) that she is dealing with steven 'notorious for
fighting people in bars and losing and bleeding' kado.  if she's not careful
i may lose a fight with her and bleed everywhere and make her feel terribly
guilty.  i once bled on my tonari no totoro t-shirt.  that was after a fight
that nearly got me kicked out of mod club.  heh.  mods act all hard but they
can't stand to watch a kid in a pavement t-shirt beat the fuck out of a kid
in an anime shirt can they?  weenies! grrr!

how come 'mod fuck explosion' (the movie) sucks except for 'hey london' by
unrest on the soundtrack?  with a title like that it should be the best
movie ever made.  i almost wrote undrest instead of unrest.  a freud...you
sneaky bastard.

hey speaking of movies that i saw that robyn fadden didn't.
I SAW THE GUITAR WOLF MOVIE! HOLY SHIT! it is so amazing.  it is among the
best films ever made in the universe.  zombies die everywhere.  it is so
incredible that the world cannot really understand it.  it is no doubt
better than any of lars von ulrich's movies.

i also saw modest mouse or modmou as abbreviation would have it.
its amazing how far they can stretch those PiL covers.  i'm quite glad i saw
that actually.  i really like PiL.  which is probably an utterance that is
making 9/10ths of you wretch and groan.  my friend rob saw PiL a while ago
(it must have been)  and john lydon put a tampon up his ass and then pulled
it out and threw it at people.  eeew.  also, spookey saw them with NEW ORDER
back in the day.  how about that for a bill?  when could that happen again
please?  wow.

i'm glad angel got naked at work.  the temptation for me to do things like
that is always quashed by the fact that most of my torso and my groin and
legs are invisible.  i can live vicariously through others nuditiy.  hurrah!

and then several days later angel also said:
>ummm...then went to a bluejay game...my mother has decided that my father
>and my bf should start trying to be civil towards each other...the action
in
>the stands was much more interesting than the lousy baseball game...

which begs the question: just how civil did they get?  so civil it was
distracting?  civil with tongue?  so civil there was action?

maybe i'll stop.

if steve carsmille thinks an art competition is a good idea so do i.

i'll even back that statement up with the assertion that i have some of the
most stellar taste in the universe.

few people taste as good as me.

i would totally put together a hard core art scrutinizing committee and
evaluate all work based on:

1-how good it would look on a sticker
2-if it says something flattering about me
3-how well it maintains my nearly malevichian standards of formal and
chromatic rigour and reduction
4-if animals don't avoid it (because animals know what is bad for them)

ok

watch who they beat, watch who they eat

s te v e n



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From keleidoscopic at xxx.com  Tue Sep 26 03:26:28 2000
From: keleidoscopic at xxx.com (Chris Paluch)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:26:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Some things never happen, but then they do(Sorry No B&S, but Go-Betweens info needed)
Message-ID: <20000926022628.27976.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Sinister people,
I need help!!!!
The Go Betweens are touring with good old Yo LA TAngo
in November in The States, and I am having a hard time
finding tour dates outside of NYC and Boston.  I would
love to get some dates, because well shows like this
rarely if ever happen, but seem to be happeing alot
recently.  (Ie Ida with Low, what is next B&S w/Sea
and Cake, who knows?).  But the point is I need
dates...so I can plan ahead, yeah its near finals but
this type of tour NEVER happens(or does very rarely).
Somebody HELP!!!!

Chris

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From Thefoxxinthesnow at xxx.com  Tue Sep 26 03:31:43 2000
From: Thefoxxinthesnow at xxx.com (Thefoxxinthesnow at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:31:43 EDT
Subject: Sinister: people can be so nice
Message-ID: <3c.15a3a8c.2701648f@aol.com>

thanks for my warm welcomes....  i may have been a tad devasted if no one had 
 responded.  
hey carlos, nice to meet you..  your sweet and sparse message was 
appreciated..  
hi john-  that little bit about probably never meeting me may very well prove 
untrue-  i'm trying to plan a trip to europe this summer-  and scotland is on 
my list!  i'll have to see if anything actually happens with it, but its nice 
- and essential-  to indulge in fantasy.  keep in touch
hello andy..  you didn't give me too much to go on.. but thanks for the 
message, and yes :) i am a foxx.  ;)  (i say that in the most humble and 
modest of ways)
and finally, jacob-  i live about 20 to 30 minutes away from the city... a 
small city called Danville..  i did read the post about club lovely..  and it 
sounded well, lovely...  the age thing might be a problem - seeing as how i 
am only 16-  i am told often that i look much older.. people normally think i 
am 18 or 19, or at least that i am out of high school..  i don't have a fake 
ID.  well, we can talk about it and figure something out..  if not i would 
love to meet up somewhere..  are you living in san fran?  
oh, and christiaan (the nice guy whose posts i adore)  how are you?
bye for now,
lauren
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From secretmysterydate at xxx.com  Tue Sep 26 06:05:15 2000
From: secretmysterydate at xxx.com (a star is born)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:05:15 EDT
Subject: Sinister: waiting for october...
Message-ID: <F31552b6sYso9wyXqrG00004c7f@hotmail.com>

hmmm...
		in pittsburgh, it is dreary 8/10ths of the time. not rainy necessarily, 
but overcast, much like today, though drizzley bits made my hair all curly a 
couple of hours ago, to my great distress. the point is, most of those 
non-dreary days seem to fall in October, y'know that sky you get? it's 
always a little bluer b/c of the changing trees and it's all crunchy, not 
like a hippy, crisp.
you can breath, even smoking seems clean.
i want to go on a hay ride and feel appropriately dressed in 
sweater/jacket/scarf attire, but not wet and grey, the jacket is grey, the 
sky is blue, not vice-versa, 'kay?

mmm. fall, the best season of the year and so far, 4-5 days into it all, and 
it has been not up to snuff. i'm writing a letter to complain.

speaking of not up to snuff, b&s tour of the US, what's up?
that is for the content part, i heard last year that they were going to be 
here sometime, and i have not heard a thing. i am out of the loop. i think 
you guys are probably the loop, so hook me up on all the news. no wait, i'll 
just check the archives.

ummm...

so anyway i was 'brand new shoes', sam, that's me. i left the list for a 
while to travel, then got lazy when i came back from the trip, where i saw 
all you kids, well some of you: paul, elena, alex, erica, um, others from  
the baxendale show, and of course, miss kalliope.
for those who don't know... they are fabulous people. i miss them all loads.
i am not going to give much personal update b/c that would be super dull. 
i'll just say a few developements in my life: graduated from CMU, BFA, 
Administrative staff head at the AAP gallery in pittsburgh, new band is fab, 
new practice space and studio too, moving to berlin in the forseeable 
future, cats are healthy, single, like long walks on the beach and sunsets.
umm, everything up through 'single' at least.
hmm,
okay, that's enough for now. i'm dreadfully tired so i am going to go home 
and curl up with the kittens until i go to work.
is my picture still up on the site? i will have to check.
i need to update it.
anyway
much love to all you kids
sam
ps:
just saw Joan of Arc a little while ago, they are still amazing. tim's 
lyrics floor me.

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From JOA00MAR at xxx.uk  Tue Sep 26 09:40:41 2000
From: JOA00MAR at xxx.uk (Mikey)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:40:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Did you miss me?
Message-ID: <E13dqII-0006fq-01@mailhub1.shef.ac.uk>

Hullo,

	I used to be smiley at rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk, but I'm 
not anymore. So, I figured this'd make a good excuse to post. Like, 
a second introductionary post. Or something.
	So... now I'm, like, a proper student and stuff. At Sheffield 
Uni, which is grate. And stuff.
	So I moved into this flat, which is fabbo, with some 
reasonably fabbo people. And the flat, in decor, is a bit cold war 
nuclear installation, but I don't mind that. We're all terribly nice and 
sensible in our flat, we do each others washing up.
	Next door they drink unbeliveable quantities of alcohol, and 
there's this lad next door called Tarquin, and he's about 7 foot tall 
and rather bulky, and he wears a big black coat and has candles 
and stuff. And, um, yeah he threatened one of his flatmates with a 
meat cleaver, which was a jolly good laugh. For us next door, 
anyway. But then we don't live with him.
	So I'm, like, really domesticated now. So far I've even done 
two loads of washing, and even some ironing. And yesterday I ate 
some vegetables, which was an interesting experience.
	I'm somewhat insulted by my timetable, which tells me 
that I don't have any work to do, basically. Well, you see most of 
my modules are in the spring semester, and this is quite definitely 
autumn (he says glancing at the gloomy Sheffield outside).
	Oh yeah, and now I have to go phone the breakdown 
people, because my car has a flat tire. It's going to be quite 
embarrassing, because I think I just let it down when I hit the curb, 
so maybe it just needs pumping up. Thing is, I don't have a pump. 
So now I have to phone the breakdown service and get the nice 
man to come out here with his van full of special anti-breakdown 
equipment, and generally waste his time.

That's quite enough from me, I would imagine,

Love
Mike
:o)

PS. Since I've moved email addys, have I lost my list crush? I'll 
have to do the whole charming routine again now, bah...
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From david at xxx.uk  Tue Sep 26 12:14:01 2000
From: david at xxx.uk (David White)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:14:01 +0100 (GMT/BST)
Subject: Sinister: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:09:15 +0100
Message-ID: <LNBBIEGADDEMDLPIAGBKEEOGCCAA.david@djwhite47.freeserve.co.uk>

It's changed days in the universities of Britain these days...
Kristin Mitchell wrote:
"there is a Smirnoff Ice promotion at the union bar and its only costing
like a quid a bottle."
Whatever happened to students drinking student drinks, in my day it was all
snakebite and cheap  lager, no wonder they're always complaining about being
skint ;)

It's true about those stars of track and field you know, looks like quite a
few of them fell out the ugly tree and hit all the branches! Seems like
Loneliness of a Middle Distance Runner was written with Britain's middle
distance runners in mind seeing as how most of them spend most of the race
10 metres behind the leaders!
It's strange how many B&S songs could relate to the Olympics, here's a few I
thought of...
Expectations: What all the Olympic athletes start out with.
She's Losing It: What the commentators tend to say when a British athlete is
entering the last 100 metres.
You're Just a Baby: Description of the female gymnasts.
I Could Be Dreaming: Of winning something
It Could Have Been A Brilliant Career: (if he hadn't finished last in the
first heat.)

Hmm, need to get out more....

David White
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From Lorraine.Hosie at xxx.uk  Tue Sep 26 13:07:29 2000
From: Lorraine.Hosie at xxx.uk (Lorraine Hosie)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:07:29 +0100
Subject: Sinister: We rule the pool
Message-ID: <F0EC21C5F871D41187B900805FCC276642E8AE@EXCHANGE-SERVER>

... actually, the Australians rule the  (Olympic) pool, but since British
Monarchy still rules Australia (wooo... how controversial am I?), we rule
the pool by association.

It's been a while since I posted, but all this talk of Sinister Olympics
(see David White - circa 20 mins ago), has got me going wild with verbal
excitement...

I like:

"Expectations" - Yeah, dream-on, Britain.
"I know where the Summer goes" - It goes into Winter - coz it's Australia -
mental!
"The Fox in the Snow" - Ladies Volleyball at the Winter Olympics
"The Gate" - Ski-ing - more winter nonsense
"Legal Man" - for the "NO, It was the medication for my athlete's foot -
honest!!" testament.

Right, time to scuttle back into my lover's armpit for 4 years - by the next
Olympics, B&S will have released AT LEAST 2 new albums to draw Olympuns
from.

Night, night.
Lorraine x
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From Lorraine.Hosie at xxx.uk  Tue Sep 26 13:46:17 2000
From: Lorraine.Hosie at xxx.uk (Lorraine Hosie)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:46:17 +0100 (GMT/BST)
Subject: Sinister: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:49:40 +0100
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From lucyalder at xxx.com  Tue Sep 26 13:50:03 2000
From: lucyalder at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucy=20Alder?=)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 05:50:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Just grab your hat, we'll travel light, that's hobo style
Message-ID: <20000926125003.25305.qmail@web1609.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello you lovely bunch of people

I decided to wear high heels to work today.  As Vivian says in Pretty Woman, "Big mistake.  Huge."
 I quite often wear heels at work, but usually the sensible fraction of my brain reminds me to
wear trainers for the fifteen minute march at either end of my train journey and change at the
office.  Not today though, oh no.  I've now lost all feeling in four of my poor little tootsies.  

Not only that, but my stomach muscles are killing me too.  This isn't for the usual reason
(alcohol-induced illness), but because of my extreme jealousy of Denise Lewis' six-pack.  Did you
see it?  Non-UK and non-Olympics-obsessed people, she won the gold medal in the Heptathlon.  Who
said stars of track and field are ugly?  Denise isn't!  She's so toned, so gorgeous, so lovely and
I'm so envious.  'Well,' I thought, 'there's only one thing to do.  Sit-ups'.  I waited until my
flatmate was out so he couldn't laugh at me, then got on with it.  Surprise!  No pain!  Until the
next day, that is, when I had far too much trouble getting out of bed.  I think I'll just sit in a
chair for the rest of my life and paint my nails and watch telly.  It's much safer.

Have you all been and had a look at the Sinister photo pages?  There are lots and lots of Red
Knickers Day shenanigans.  The memories just came flooding back...  Hey, watch out Glaswegians,
I'm planning a trip in your direction in a few weeks and you WILL come drinking with me.  You
WILL!  Mwah ha ha!

There seem to be many more spiders webs than usual this autumn.  Last weekend, I saw six of them
on the way home, stretched between bushes and covered in dew, glistening under the orange street
lamp.  The spiders themselves seemed very fat and well-fed, unlike the miserable specimens I found
lurking in my bed the other night.  I pulled back the duvet to climb under and two skinny little
albino spiders came running out.  Albino spiders!  Hens' teeth!  I brushed them onto the floor and
tried to forget they were there because they gave me the willies.  Hopefully I didn't eat one
during the night, because I heard the average person eats several during their lifetime.  Yuck.

That's all for now.  If you're going to the Baxendale gig tomorrow, I'll see you there.

Juicy Lucy


ps. Thank you to all the people who said nice things about my last post.  I was quite surprised,
considering I used a large part of it to describe a cake made with lots of lard.

pps. Mark Casarotto will have my guts for garters for mentioning this, but anyone interested in
kids' TV should click on this here link: http://www.fortunecity.co.uk/cinerama/comedy/109/ 
They've got MP3s of all sorts of TV theme tunes, including the Littlest Hobo (for Martin) and
Sport Billy (for Miss Velocity) and Bagpuss (for Ally96)



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From craigrm at xxx.uk  Tue Sep 26 15:38:50 2000
From: craigrm at xxx.uk (craigrm)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:38:50 +0100
Subject: Sinister: She put me on the ground with judo (in the light-middle weight quarter finals)
Message-ID: <39D453FF@www.twigger.co.uk>

As the Olympics are only held every 4 years and the list was officially 3 a 
few short weeks ago it's no surprise everyone's taken to the Sydney Games like 
little fluffy ducklings to water. Someone recently pointed out how misleading 
the line about "stars of track and field being beautiful people" is and I 
think I'm going to have to agree, although I'd admit that the "stars of track" 
are usually more beautiful than the "stars of field" so it's probably not fair 
to group them together like that.

IF IYFS gets a re-release I think the track listing should be amended :

1. The Stars of Track & Field*
2. Seeing Other People

*excluding certain events that involve the chucking of heavy objects over 
great distances.

Up and coming "Stars of Track and Field" are also a bit strange. When I was 
about 14 I remember the annual school sports day being lifted to a whole new 
level when a classmate started taking it all very seriously and turned up 
fully equipped for the days competition.

Most of us were happy to swan around in our baggy cotton shorts and ill 
fitting T-shirts, making a feeble effort in the 4 events (minimum) we were 
expected to participate in and generally think ourselves lucky not to be stuck 
in a hot classroom doing *real* work. Then big Malc and his wee bag of goodies 
came along and changed all that, you see not only did he have fancy spiky 
running shoes, shimmery nylon clothes but he'd also brought along his own 
starting blocks and javelin. Boy did we feel inadequate !.... well those of us 
who weren't elsewhere savoring the delights of the senior girls high jump 
final.

Good luck with the sit-up-athon Lucy, you'll be folding origami animals with 
your steely six-pack abs before you know it !.

Not much of a post, sorry.

Craig x

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From imn_uk at xxx.uk  Tue Sep 26 15:43:26 2000
From: imn_uk at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?nicolson=20ian?=)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:43:26 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: I used to have this thing about Link Wray
Message-ID: <20000926144326.25035.qmail@web4303.mail.yahoo.com>

Apparently my name is appearing in people's inbox's as
'nicolson ian', which is somewhat distrubing as I have
no idea why this has happened and people may now think
that I have a back-to-front name, like Little John or
Wyndham Lewis or someone.  I shall have to try to
rectify this.  Or maybe I should adopt it as a cunning
pseudonym.

Given away free (whoo-hoo!) with this weeks supposedly
soon to be defunct Sunday Herald was one of these
student guides which appear in their hundreds around
this time of year.  Interspersed throughout it were
little pieces by various movers and shakers
recommending places to visit in the teeming
metropolis' (metropeli?) of Glasgow, Edinburgh and,
er, Stirling.  Featured in the Glasgow section was our
very own Stuart, so in an attempt to break with
tradition and actually post something relevant to
Belle & Sebastian (who?), and because it's quite
short, I've decided to type it out for y'all.  Aren't
I kind?  So, for all you young hipsters new to
Glasgow, or indeed any long-time denizens of that fair
city who fancy trying out the wild, wild lifestyle of
an international rock 'n' roller, here it is!

----------------------
INSIDER INSIGHT
Even sensitive indie pop stars need to cut loose once
in a while.  Stuart Murdoch of Belle and Sebastian
tells us how he goes about it.

**Firhill 7-a-side Pitches**
'When I die I would like my ashes to be scattered here
on the artificial turf where they would blend in with
the plastic sand.'

**Glasgow Cathedral 6.30pm Sunday**
'House music is as dead as dead.  Most clubs are
boring beyond belief.  Try something different. 
Something meaningful!  Get back to church!  Afterwards
you can take someone you fancy up the Necropolis.'

**Fratelli Sarti**
'Mamma mia!  Drink a litre of house red and see where
the evening takes you.'
---------------------------------

Well, I for one know where I'll be visiting on my next
trip west!

Idleberry, who appears to have reverted to her maiden
name, slurred:
> I am drunk
but failed to say anything silly or embarrassing,
which was disappointing, as I thought it was the whole
point of posting when worse for wear.  Try better next
time! On occasion I have considered posting whilst,
uh, tired and emotional, but have thankfully always
managed to refrain.  I can only imagine it would be by
turns hilarious and tragic.  In a totally
unintentional fashion.  Actually, it would probably be
more coherent than many of my posts!

Still no sign of 'The Stars...' being used in the
BBC's Olympic coverage, just some horrible M People
nonsense.  I live in hope!

Lurve
Ian N. (or N.Ian, or even Nicolson I., I guess)

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From karastar at xxx.com  Tue Sep 26 15:58:49 2000
From: karastar at xxx.com (karastar at xxx.com)
Date: 26 Sep 2000 10:58:49 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Seafood and Rodents
Message-ID: <20000926145849.18906.cpmta@c000.iad.cp.net>

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From kmhyde at xxx.edu  Tue Sep 26 17:06:05 2000
From: kmhyde at xxx.edu (kmhyde at xxx.edu)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:06:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: when it comes to cold contentment
Message-ID: <200009261606.MAA14300@webmail.wm.edu>


Well.

I haven't posted in nigh on five weeks methinks.

it's about time I came back to the warm fluffy sweater 
that is Sinister.

first off....back in school and loving it/hating it 
every other second. i've already been informed that 
three (and possibly more) girls have crushes on me, 
which is disconcerting. Something like this tends to 
toy with one's self image. I always imagined myself as 
the kind of guy girls came to when they had a problem 
with their boyfriends, not as a guy who was the 
boyfriend. trouble, no doubt.


fall is good. today is the type steel grey day when, 
even if something horrible happens, a cup of tea and a 
long, funny book (david sedaris possibly?) makes 
everything okay.


huh. i'm being kicked out of the public computer lab.

well, truncated, but packed with goodness, i leave you 
all with best regards....



kevin
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From chrislampinen at xxx.com  Tue Sep 26 17:54:49 2000
From: chrislampinen at xxx.com (chris lampinen)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:54:49 EDT
Subject: Sinister: !huh ,it ssiK
Message-ID: <F147HlzJUMWO2gcCESW000056e2@hotmail.com>

Kisses, kisses, etc.

Well now. I've never posted from school before so this is a Big! Event! for 
me. I thought there were a few things worth addressing before I start out 
here. Let us do a Fun! List!

1) S. Cado, I hope you aren't getting cocky (*ahem*) because I haven't 
posted in a bit. I am still here, and I am still full of nudity challanges.

2) Miss Lauren, welcome welcome, we all love you.

3) Autumn! I like to call it fall, because that's what it does- makes 
everything tumble down. Leaves, spirits, erm...other things that I can't 
think of...I like it though. Today I went to the campus BBQ stand and bought 
a Hot Dog and a Coke and sat on a bench pretending that it was summer (it's 
sunny after all), just with dying trees. It didn't really work, but the hot 
dog was yummy. No- that's a lie. I hate hot dogs and I threw it out after a 
couple bites.

4) There is no four but I am obsessive compulsive and I need to do things in 
groups of four. If you are industrious do a character count on my posts and 
you'll find that the result is invariably a multiple of four. Neat, huh?

So, what have I been up to?

No, I doubt you're really asking that, but hey- why don't I tell you anyway?

The highlight of my week (and possibly my life) came on Saturday or Sunday- 
I don't really remember. I ordered a pizza for the same Princess Starry 
Sarah* that taught honeybuns to say "flu" in French. Now, why is this a 
highlight? Let us discuss!

I live in Michigan, USA. She lives in Europe or something. So I ordered a 
pizza from another country! Transatlantic pizza, whoo-hoo!

"Hello...um...where are you calling from?"
"erm...far away..."
"*silence*"
"The United States..."
"Uh, can you hold?"

Highlight number Two! (two, two, two [fading echo])

I moved the furniture in my room around. Now I can stand in front of my 
window (naked) and dance. Oh, my, how the evenings fly by (any curious 
Michigan listees- I can give you my address if you'd like to stand in the 
street and admire; I always leave the light on)!

Do you know that sometimes eating a hot dog can make you feel sick? I do.

But listen- the voice from the ceiling says ELECTRONIC BOOKS ARE NOW 
AVAILABLE!!

I wonder if they have erotica? Mmmmm...

Now I leave you with a short story from my days.

Last night was cold. I wanted a cigarette. I didn't feel like getting 
dressed so I just draped a quilt over my body and wandered outside. I walked 
a little ways down my block and then stumbled on a crack in the sidewalk.

My precious quilt came tumbling down, revealing, well, all of me. Normally 
this wouldn't be a problem, but there was an elderly man walking a short 
distance behind me.

Oh, how he blushed! I thought he was going to just kick over.

Am I fooling any of you? Ah, you lot know me too well. There was no crack in 
the sidewalk. I just wanted to uplift my spirits by flaunting my beautiful 
youthfulness in front of the old chap. Well, excuse me!

B&S content:
I have a B&S tattoo somewhere in my bathing suit areas, which the old fellow 
most certainly saw.

I know you are lovely, for I love you all and 'ly's are easy to find.

x

Love,
Christiaan


* Starry Sarah is ultra rad. She'd want you all to know that.

PS: Kiss it, huh!

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From gogron at xxx.uk  Tue Sep 26 23:04:58 2000
From: gogron at xxx.uk (gogron)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:04:58 +0100
Subject: Sinister: connecting to freeserve
Message-ID: <39D11D8A.EA39CF7D@netscapeonline.co.uk>

hello

nothing in particular
I want to go to #sinister chat but I'm waiting for off-peak freeserve to
connect, which may or may not happen

what I've just done
I went to a writer's group this evening: I had to really force myself
out the door because it's 'dreich' (wet) outside, and was already
starting to get dark. But If I'd stayed in I'd have ended up partaking
of too much Kirsch, which would be bad news tomorrow. I'm drinking one
now, but it's 22:31. The writer's group was fun: there's something
particularly engaging about well-written poems and stories being read by
their authors: then you get the chance to slag them off! Hehe. Naughty
me, I haven't written a thing yet except 'critic proof critic' in
invisible letters.

The computer you are dialling is not answering.
Try again later.
You'll realise by this point that I don't have much to say, but I like a
bit of typing now and again to occupy my fingers: at work I use computer
aided design, which is mostly mouse-play. It's a recalcitrant mouse too:
a real cheapo number that doesn't like getting clicked and frequently
ignores me.

John Peel speaks Sumerian
On the spot reportage of radio one at 22:42 on the 26th September 2000.
Following this is a kind of thrash metal track with a man trying to
sound mean and frightening. It doesn't work. Peely made a phonetic
effort with the title, but as to the veracity of the phonemes, well, I
lack comparitives.

Big words made easy
Most big words are wee words strung together with choice letters missing
and no spaces in-between. The Germans seem to specialise in this area.

I ought to finish with a joke
Mmm, I *ouught* to, but as usual I'm setting myself up for failure as I
can't think of any; me being a dour man in a dreich place at night (nice
little church candles glowing though) so there's laziness for you and
anyways, I'm pondering on one, or making up a topical one involving
drugs and athletes when I finally get connected.

Gordon

P.S. I haven't commented on other peoples posts but I have been reading
and enjoying them for breakfast every day :)
but of the people I've met in #sinister:
bad luck for the Romanian gymnast! I'll be getting the book
someone might be joining a pop group: best of luck!
someone has a fantastic online journal and a poem called Gershwin Hotel
get off the rocking chair! I want a go! (just teasing :)
jellyfish are GRATE
I went up the Eiffel Tower, nah nah nah na nah nah!
love and cuddles to you all




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From andy_flynnie at xxx.com  Wed Sep 27 09:55:48 2000
From: andy_flynnie at xxx.com (Andy Flynn)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:55:48 BST
Subject: Sinister: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:09:15 +0100
Message-ID: <F761Em4qBbs8ltIzn9r00002b7c@hotmail.com>

First Colemanball  of the Sydney Olympics BBC
Event - Women's Weightlifting (clean and jerk)

David Coleman - "And here's the favourite for the title. I saw
her snatch this morning and it was amazing".

Or conversely B&S could write a song about this!!

Whaddya think?


>From: "David White" <david at xxx.uk>
>Reply-To: "David White" <david at djwhite47.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: "Sinister list" <sinister at missprint.org>
>Subject: Sinister: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:09:15 +0100
>Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:14:01 +0100 (GMT/BST)
>
>It's changed days in the universities of Britain these days...
>Kristin Mitchell wrote:
>"there is a Smirnoff Ice promotion at the union bar and its only costing
>like a quid a bottle."
>Whatever happened to students drinking student drinks, in my day it was all
>snakebite and cheap  lager, no wonder they're always complaining about 
>being
>skint ;)
>
>It's true about those stars of track and field you know, looks like quite a
>few of them fell out the ugly tree and hit all the branches! Seems like
>Loneliness of a Middle Distance Runner was written with Britain's middle
>distance runners in mind seeing as how most of them spend most of the race
>10 metres behind the leaders!
>It's strange how many B&S songs could relate to the Olympics, here's a few 
>I
>thought of...
>Expectations: What all the Olympic athletes start out with.
>She's Losing It: What the commentators tend to say when a British athlete 
>is
>entering the last 100 metres.
>You're Just a Baby: Description of the female gymnasts.
>I Could Be Dreaming: Of winning something
>It Could Have Been A Brilliant Career: (if he hadn't finished last in the
>first heat.)
>
>Hmm, need to get out more....
>
>David White
>www.belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk
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From chamomile1 at xxx.com  Wed Sep 27 12:31:36 2000
From: chamomile1 at xxx.com (jarkko frantila)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:31:36 GMT
Subject: Sinister: All you greedy ugly people make my heart go ka-boing.
Message-ID: <F186EtrUVYKkpLTkUD500006a11@hotmail.com>

Hello. Just a little thing to all you UK listees: Both Hefner& And You Will 
Know Us By The Trail Of Dead have recorded their very own John 
Peel-sessions. Now, I'd like to get them both (not just listen to them via 
the internet, like you can do at the BBC pages). So if there's anyone who 
has them, would you be interested in taping them for me? Or burn a cd, 
whatever. Also Sigur Ros is on Peel tonight (tuesday), which also sounds 
interesting... That too, maybe?

What else? Oh, and if you really are a greedy bastard, I could tape 
something to you in exchange. "Something" being a surprise.

That's it. Six hours from now I'll be drunk. Ace!

-Jace le PetitE
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From rob_brennan at xxx.uk  Wed Sep 27 20:51:02 2000
From: rob_brennan at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Brennan?=)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:51:02 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Spiders, Delgados and words.  Oh my!
Message-ID: <20000927195102.29856.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello.  I must say you're all looking well.

Lucy said:

"Albino spiders!  Hens' teeth!  I brushed them onto
the floor and tried to forget they were there because
they gave me the willies."

They give me the willies, the creeps and the shits all
at once.  Faced with two(!) albino spiders I probably
would have ran out of the room screaming choice
colloquialisms.  Then gone back in and burned the bed.
 And the house just to make sure.

Gordon whispered over the crowd:
"Big words made easy 
Most big words are wee words strung together with
choice letters missing and no spaces in-between. The
Germans seem to specialise in this area."

I once quizzed a German flatmate about the finer
points of her language.  The above seems to be correct
- even to the extent of just making up portmanteau
words as and when required.  Fantastic!  If only we
could be that creative in English.  The Sinisterlist
would be a verbalfest of neuvauxlanguage.

The Delgados are playing Portsmouth Wedgewood Rooms on
October 12 and I'm going to be there.  G!R!A!T!E!

Have fun

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From nickgillespie at xxx.com  Wed Sep 27 22:56:41 2000
From: nickgillespie at xxx.com (n|ck g)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:56:41 GMT
Subject: Sinister: shorten any word that's too long!!
Message-ID: <LAW2-F77LsdAefpGtS700005851@hotmail.com>

i just read rob's message and am elated that someone else knows about and 
likes the german language. i fell in love with it the first time that i 
heard it and now have moved here to speak it.

i completely agree. i love making up words on the spot. germans will 
literally make one word out of like... um... well the most words in one that 
i have ever seen is 7, the most common is 3 or 4. it's great.

but the best thing about the language is the constant shortning of words. 
any normal word that used to long has some shortned version or an acronym 
made of it.

ie. the word for where class takes place is "HS." i'm not even sure of what 
it stands for but everyone knows what you mean when you say it, so... hey, 
why not?

so i suggest that we, as sinisterines, start to overthrow the english 
language and shorten anything that we want and make words out of however 
many we see fit. rise up sinisterines! it's time to change some things :)

nick


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From Lorraine.Hosie at xxx.uk  Thu Sep 28 09:34:03 2000
From: Lorraine.Hosie at xxx.uk (Lorraine Hosie)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:34:03 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Uber Alles!
Message-ID: <F0EC21C5F871D41187B900805FCC276642E8CC@EXCHANGE-SERVER>


The German is: 	Krankenwagon 
The Literal Translation is: Ill Car
The English is: Ambulance

Theirs is Clever
Ours is Ludicrous

Germans 1
English 0
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From mark_e_hester at xxx.com  Thu Sep 28 10:54:40 2000
From: mark_e_hester at xxx.com (Mark Hester)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:54:40 BST
Subject: Sinister: shorten any word that's too long!!
Message-ID: <F90nDlbqCbkSFGMrbma000074c9@hotmail.com>

Lorraine, there's nothing ludicrous about 'ambulance'.  It originally 
referred to a stretcher used to carry wounded soldiers who had "Fought in a 
War" (had to get the reference in there somewhere).  As the stretcher 
bearers were walking they were ambulatory, hence 'ambulance'.  So the German 
is obvious and the English is interesting.  So there!

I think my fave long German word is Strassenbahnhaltestelle, meaning tram 
stop.  I remember a cartoon in my German textbook that had a bank robber 
(complete with bagful of cash, stripey jumper and mask, natch) approaching a 
trembling old lady and asking "Wie komme ich am besten zur
Strassenbahnhaltestelle?"  The German language direclt affects their crime 
rate.

Rob Brennan, is there really a venue in Portsmouth called the Wedgewood 
Rooms?  This conjures up wonderful images of people too afraid to dance or 
get too drunk for fear of smashing all the china.  Who knows, maybe Pompey 
residents talk about a "mosher in the Wedgewood rooms" rather than a bull in 
a china shop.
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From peter.ramsdale at xxx.com  Thu Sep 28 11:15:53 2000
From: peter.ramsdale at xxx.com (Pete Ramsdale)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:15:53 +0100
Subject: Sinister: shorten any word that's too long!!
References: <F90nDlbqCbkSFGMrbma000074c9@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <39D31A59.C831F5CF@ubsw.com>

Hello.

For some reason (completely unknown, as are most things that influence my
life) I can only remember the following bits of Kraut:

Hauptbahnhofschnitzel: Mainline railway station lightly coated in
breadcrumbs and fried for half an hour,

Autoschlusselhosen: Khaki trousers (think about it), and

Ich bin ein unterwasserpanzerfahrer mit zenf: I am an underwater tank
driver with mustard.

God only knows how I got an A at GCSE.

B&S content: I'm still listening to
FYHCYWLAPFGRTCEXGBTVKTBN&%BH&^V*FNBI^T$$.

It's still good.

lol p xx.

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From crp28 at xxx.uk  Thu Sep 28 12:23:16 2000
From: crp28 at xxx.uk (C.R. Phillips)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:23:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: oh goodness
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0009281206520.24289-100000@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk>

hello

it's funny really - i've started five "hey! this is my first mail!" things
already over the past few months but every single time, it has failed
either because (for the first time) i didn't read the rules for sending
things or because my unworldly university can't just provide us with
normal computer services cos they just have to be as difficult as they can
whenever they see an opportunity. and then also, i guess i'm a bit
dumb. what this means is that i can't face properly introducing myself
agaaain and that may well make me look a little, hmmmm, apathetic or rude
but i'm really v. not. all i'll say is that as i look round, i'm sitting
in a deserted room tapping away loudly (because it's deserted and so i
can) and wondering where all the people are. maybe they are having a
midday party somewhere. but this is a university where i don't know if
people party....not to be criptic....hmmmmm.

so, my name is charlie.

hope you are all well. i like the way that the people in this world of
letters (i.e. sinister - i'm in a weeeiiiirrrrdddd mood and that makes me
look silly) seem so placid and content and i'm sure that they aren't all
the time but i guess you can come across that way when you're just writing
to lots of people because it's a beautifully calming thing to do and it
gets out what you're trapping in your head. yay.

the talk of foreign languages made me think of the book i'm reading - "the
secret history" which i'm told is v. cliché of me but boo to that - in
which people address each other from time to time in ancient greek or
latin and that seemed so wonderful as a way of adding meaning in the way
you say something as well as what you're saying. and i worried that the
other people in the story who don't so that might think that those who who
do are v. pretentious and that that would be so unfair because pretending
is good and gives weight to the things you do that are concretely real. 

does that make sense? well, if it's not too forced a jump, then i think
it's also true of the lovelylovelylovely heroes of our worlds because
without mr. stu's voice or isobel's too, it wouldn't be the same because
they design the words for their own voices and their voices are part of
the message. the lyrics should be printed with their voices in them, tho i
guess that's impossible from a physics point of view or whatever. some
things are just beautiful because of the way they exist and they exost to
be beautiful and hey, that's belle and seb.

yay.

love charlie





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From mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk  Thu Sep 28 12:34:04 2000
From: mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk (fiona)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:34:04 BST
Subject: Sinister: do you like pina colada and getting caught in the rain?
Message-ID: <DCB3B7E31F4@mail1.mcc.ac.uk>

evenin campers,
                          when i was at school, my mummy wouldn't let 
me learn german, she said it was a horrible language and i had to do 
latin instead. i'm quite pleased she did that, as learning latin has 
stood me n good stead for understanding more about english and is 
invaluable when answering questions on tv quiz shows. i do wonder 
about her sentiments though.

  today i'm feeling damp.
  i took it upon myself to try and make the 45 minute walk to uni, 
rather than getting the bus.
 it wasn't raining wheni set off, and it wasn't raining much when i 
got to the last stop i would allow myself to get the bus from. you 
see i don't like making short journeys on the bus, so even though i 
was getting really wet by the time i neared university i couldn't let 
my self get the bus for the end of the journey because i considered 
it just that bit too short. so now i am trying to dry off on the 
library, but i made the foolish mistake of wearing flared jeans, so 
the water has seeped quite far up my legs, i also wore flimsy 
trainers so my sock are soaked as well and it will be hours before 
i'm thoroughly dry. if it was possible to catch a cold in your feet 
and ankles then i'm quite sure i would. grr.

  my housemates and i are getting a washing machine tomorrow.
  yey for us.
  another thing for me to spend my hard earned student loan on.

ooh look a lazy stewdent, umm yes, i am looking for a job, its just 
that i'm not looking very hard......

  olympic update....
                    how great a name is 'erki nool'? he should of 
course be disqualified from the decathlon though, because brendan 
foster said so.
  did anyone see that british girl who does tai kwon do and is being 
funded by jackie chan? what they don't tell you though, is that she 
nearly couldn't go because the money he had promised her hadn't 
arrived with only a couple of weeks to go and the british olympic 
comittee  people told her she couldn't use the money to fund her own 
campaign anyway, it had to be shared with the team. hmmm.

  i've just imagined what sinister would be like if everyone posted 
just to tell you about when they got caught in the rain. ooops. 
sorry.

  but wishing you love and irn-bru anyway,  
                                           fiona.

ooh, just remembered, if anyone wants to meet up with some of us kids 
who hang out in jeepsterchat in manchester. saturday 30th 9pm fab 
cafe.
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From exxxitt at xxx.com  Thu Sep 28 13:21:29 2000
From: exxxitt at xxx.com (man one)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:21:29 GMT
Subject: Sinister: shorten any word that's too long!!
Message-ID: <F256PYzDabigPasSmz60000345f@hotmail.com>

ok,
german is wonderful yes.
there is also a derivative language i've been working on called nulage. 
however, don't be confused--nulage is not actually a proper word in nulage.

it is a contextual language-compression system:
i.e.,
architecture lecture= archilecture

train times = trimes

ad infinitum, or aditum.

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From idleberry at xxx.com  Thu Sep 28 13:45:14 2000
From: idleberry at xxx.com (Kristin Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 05:45:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: being sober, political, and is the Queen a poo?
Message-ID: <20000928124514.21111.qmail@web611.mail.yahoo.com>


Settling back into life at uni, meeting up with old
friends, making new ones.

I managed to also aqquire some very old copies of a
series of books, called Kristin Lavransdatter, for my
mum. From what I gather, she was a famous Viking
girlie, who shares my first name.

My mum loved these books when she was at school, back
in Norway, so I think she will like to have these
copies. They are old, about 1921, and hardback as
well, and although looking a bit worse for wear and a
bit smelly, but I am glad I grabbed them.

So far everything is going alright in my new flat.
But we have a new rule, do not discuss politics.
Purely for the reason that I am living with a paid up
member of the Tory party, who actively goes to all the
tory things at uni.

Grr. So we had a long debate and arguement about
everything, from the united Kingdom union, to ooh, why
Scots don't have a tory in power.

Plus he also made some ridiculous comments that I
should not refer to myself as Scottish while I am
here, but as British.

Well, I am Scottish. I am British in the wider sense,
as I am also European. But first and foremost, I am
Scottish. Its taken me 18 years to work that one out,
what with dad being English and mum being Norwegian,
and when I was a little sprog at primary school, I
loathed days when there had been an England/Scotland,
or Norwegian/Scotland footie match the day before.
And I don't like football.

So now I am in England, I worked out I am truely
Scottish, maybe not by blood or anything, but by
birth, by education, and also attitude.

So the arguements were flying on Monday night. But he
was drunk, and being male, also certain that anything
he said was right, true, and 100% correct. Men do this
when they are drunk. They believe that the only right
opinion is their own, and that everyone else is wrong.
I'm not being sexist, but the male species has that
quality.  

We also discussed the Monarchy, and I managed to wind
him up successfully by calling the Queen a big poo.
I said she reminded me of a dried up old poo.
And he got all worked up, and said "The Queens not a
poo!" and so on and so forth. But to avoid more
serious arguements, we have agreed to disagree, plus
never to discuss politics or the Queen being a big
poo.

As long as we stay away from discussions about
homosexuality then everything should be okay. And
drunk driving. Those are two things that I feel
strongly about. And I get the impression his ideas
conflict with mine quite a lot there.

Decided to celebrate my 22nd birthday at the flat, and
have a party. 

Nothing else to report.
Except I can't get into chat rooms anymore, including
sinister chat, jeepster chat and corduroy smoke chat.
Grr.

Anyone know any other university friendly chat rooms
for a B+S girliefan?

Love,
Idles.




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From kpc98c at xxx.UK  Thu Sep 28 15:07:29 2000
From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:07:29 +0100
Subject: Sinister: The tar of fags in fields 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:56:41 GMT."
             <LAW2-F77LsdAefpGtS700005851@hotmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200009281404.PAA28529@missprint.org>

Hello,

I'm back in University and it's still groovy and I can still get jugs 
of nice cocktail for 3.50, so I'm happy as a scampi.

I have now paid NTL lots of money for internet connection in my room, 
they have given me a nice squashy ball with the NTL logo on it for 
squashing purposes but my internet is still not working.  So I have 
been squashing the NTL thing alot in anger lately.

Felt like a whore during freshers fayre trying to charm all the girls 
into joining the juggling society... for some strange reason tho the 
girl commitee member done much better at charming all the boys into 
joining.. heh.

I was just reading idleberry's post, she said:
>> But first and foremost, I am Scottish. Its taken me 18 years to work 
that one out, what with dad being English and mum being Norwegian,
and when I was a little sprog at primary school, I loathed days when there 
had been an England/Scotland, or Norwegian/Scotland footie match the day 
before.<<

and that got me thinking because I was born in Hong Kong and lived there 
for the best part of 12 years before moving to the UK, and I am always 
glad that when I watch say the olympics, I have two teams to cheer about 
when they win things in different things, and I had a great laugh supporting 
China during Euro 2000.  We remained undefeated right through to the end you 
know. :)

I adore the Queen tho, so I don't think that she is a big poo.  I like the 
fact that she doesn't really do much but the Government has to get her 
permission before doing things.  It would be grate that one day the Queen 
would say "No, Tony we are not going to rename the Houses of Parlament the 
Kool House of fun because it's silly".


man one said:
>>it is a contextual language-compression system:
i.e., architecture lecture= archilecture<<

The best Nulage word I've heard ever was Guestimate.  Talking about 
derivative languages, I have also been known to occasionally speak 
Estupido, which is a version of Esparanto, only more stupid.

I once fooled my chemistry teacher that I knew esparanto by titling a 
graph "un grapho de la acidico de chemico" which, as you know, is 
Estupido.  Longi Livo Ken el Estupido...


n|ck g said:
>> so i suggest that we, as sinisterines, start to overthrow the english 
language and shorten anything that we want and make words out of however 
many we see fit. rise up sinisterines! it's time to change some things :)<<

ITIIAVGI, H, AIDTIDTACUM.

er, that sounded a bit rude at the end but I meant to say "I think it 
is a very good idea, however, as I do this I doubt that anyone can 
understand me"... maybe it'd make the title of the next b&s album :)

Love & RB
Ken
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Thu Sep 28 15:15:59 2000
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:15:59 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Blitzkrieg Bop
Message-ID: <000f01c02956$bac87700$cb95243e@itjfvkli>

German? Pah! We British are very good at making up words too. Take
"SPITFIRE" for example. Magnificent, isn't it? How could it possibly lose?
Our German friends, however, chose to call their aeroplanes "MESSERSCHMITT"
which means "Mister Smith". I rest my case.

I went to the Baxendale soundcheck the other day. Strange but true. I went
with the intention of being a mental groupie and asking them if they knew my
friends Stephen Trousers and Erica. But I chickened out. But the shadow of
Trousers loomed large over proceedings, as they did a song that appeared to
be about having a nice time on a bus. They had obviously been inspired by
Trousers' sleeve notes to the legendary "C188" CD from the equally legendary
Papercuts. They dance like they've got hinges instead of hips.

Peter

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From sweetie_something at xxx.com  Thu Sep 28 15:30:12 2000
From: sweetie_something at xxx.com (sweetie something)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:30:12 GMT
Subject: Sinister: whatever happened to...toooooo many many names
Message-ID: <F323VjCRGryWtIIZS2T00001f81@hotmail.com>

sinister

1stly
honey
i think squirrels (SP?!?!?)
have got neither pouches or cheeks
i do believe they have
cheekles
stretchy ones
i think

my only b&s badge
a 3..6..9.. one
kindly donated to the
'freethingsforsweetiecozshessounbelievablyskintshe 
cantevenaffordreallycheapthings fund'
by the lovely
wayne fortune at the edinburgh
pic-o-nic
has been
through the wash twice
:/

as always
i is seated
at me local library in
dennyland, land of the
boring

i was in glasgow last nite
for the dum dums gig
(dont take me 2 pieces yet)
i had never heard them
not bad, methinx
the supports were good
big yoga muffin
and
co.uk
was speaking to both of them
co.uk were v nice indeed

as it was my bday
i have enough pennies
and enough time
to do things
i wanna go c
badly drawn boy
and
soulwax
im gonna get tickets ASAP
so
is anyone else out there
happens to be doin
likewise
then--LEMME KNOW! :)
and we could ave a wee meet or summat

i have
sniffles  :/

anyway
short on time (how many behave?)
so
alas
i have to go

your friend always
sweetie
xox
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box and flushed it down the toilet "i thought it could have an adventure" he 
said'

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From shewitt at xxx.uk  Thu Sep 28 17:03:51 2000
From: shewitt at xxx.uk (Stephen Hewitt)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:03:51 +0100
Subject: Sinister: PaiNtiNg coMpeTitIon
Message-ID: <39D36BE7.2F441B3C@ruskin.ac.uk>

hello there everyone

so we want to have a painting comp with me and kado as the judges, do
we?  k, we'd better have a few rules then...

1.  the subject is "belle and sebastian on top of the pops"  this can be
interpreted as you see fit.
2.  although it's called a painting competition, all entries must be
produced using electronic means only (although scanning stuff in, then
fiddling about with it is fine)
3.  all entries should be sent to carsmilesteve at yahoo.com.  Please, by
all things godly, DO NOT send them to the list or honey will remove my
head with a large rusty saw of some description.
4.  entries should try to be less than 500k pleeeeeeeease
5.  entries will be displayed in a little gallery which will probably be
at something like www.geocities.com/carsmilesteve/gallery probably
(don't go there yet, i'm making this up as i go along)
6.  judges decision is relatively final, all correspondence will be read
and chuckled at.
7.  the winner will receive 1 (one) red rose as seen on TOTP (as long as
honey hasn't sat on it/eaten it/had it nicked by the hard kids at work).
8.  there will be no cash alternatives.  a list of winner will be
available on request.

Closing date will be when we've got enough entries not to look too
embarrassing, or when something really FAB comes in.

In other news, someone mentioned a colemanball relating to the women's
weightlifting and attributed it to DC, but if i'm not mistaken it's
David *Vine* who has been commenting on people's snatches for most of
the week (and their clean and "jerks").

In more clothes-lying-on-the-floor-in-oxford news, I saw a whole pile of
clothes just lying around rather incongruously yesterday.  I have now
decided that this *is* art, at least in my head, which i think makes me
an artist, like what that damien hirst is, probably, innit :)  So, if
anyone else sees random clothes on the street, I made that art. 

someone else mentioned orm and cheep, possibly the tweeest cartoon ever
made with the possible exception of bump...<steve feels his own hands
pulling away from the keyboard and moving to his neck to strangle
himself>...no....no....must...talk..about..kids..tv.........moooooreurrrgggghhhhh...

xoxo
The Late CarsmileSteve
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From JOA00MAR at xxx.uk  Thu Sep 28 18:00:02 2000
From: JOA00MAR at xxx.uk (Mikey)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:00:02 +0100
Subject: Sinister: In-reply-to: <200009281146.MAA15851@missprint.org>
Message-ID: <E13eh2a-0000mw-00@mailhub1.shef.ac.uk>

Eyup duck,

	Things are defintely looking up this week. Firstly, either my 
old list crush has fallen for me all over again, or else I have a brand 
new one. Either way, mwah and stuff :o)
	Other good things, I got the new Add N To (X) album. Free. 
Like, a promo. All I had to do was write a review for it, and really... 
how hard is that. I had to fight for it mind, but still. It rules.
	What else? Oh yeah I'm going to an indie night with ol' 
Lamo (as only John Peel really calls him) DJing in, oh, about an 
hour and a half.
	And I'm *still* not doing any work.
	Bad things... phones aren't connected in my flat yet, so I 
have to do email in this manky IT centre, with lots of horrid 
students. Hang on, there's some flaw in my logic there...
	I'd really like to write more, but I really can't because

a) I've ran out of things to say
b) I have to write important work related emails

So...

Byebye

Love
Mike/MrSmiley
:o)
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From Gromit324 at xxx.com  Thu Sep 28 18:27:44 2000
From: Gromit324 at xxx.com (Gromit324 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:27:44 EDT
Subject: Sinister: "HS", this will bore Americans...
Message-ID: <63.bb18505.2704d990@aol.com>

In a message dated 9/27/00 3:25:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
nickgillespie at hotmail.com writes:

<< but the best thing about the language is the constant shortning of words. 
 any normal word that used to long has some shortned version or an acronym 
 made of it.
 
 ie. the word for where class takes place is "HS." i'm not even sure of what 
 it stands for but everyone knows what you mean when you say it, so... hey, 
 why not? >>

HS is short for High School here in the states.  High school consists of:
Freshman year (or "9th grade", ages 14-15-ish)
Sophomore (or "10th grade", ages 5-16ish)
Junior ("11th grade", 16-17ish)
Senior ("12th grade" 17-18ish)  

There is also Junior High school (never shortened to JH, just Jr. High) which 
is 7th and 8th grade -- sometimes called Middle School when it adds in 6th 
graders. 

Bring a #2 pencil, there will be a quiz tomorrow..... 

I had a friend from Ireland who never could understand the different grades 
-- like when I said, "Well, when I was in 8th grade...".  He'd just stop me 
and say, "Wait, how old were you then? Eighth grade means nothing to me."

*Colleen*
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From jono427 at xxx.net  Thu Sep 28 19:03:00 2000
From: jono427 at xxx.net (John Maxwell)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:03:00 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Sinister: Hark! Louder-louder-louder!
Message-ID: <20000928180300.17604.qmail@fsmail.net>

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From jp.champagne at xxx.ca  Thu Sep 28 20:00:54 2000
From: jp.champagne at xxx.ca (Jean-Pierre Champagne)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:00:54 -0400
Subject: Sinister: See the mess I'm in tonight - Godspeed You Black Emperor in Toronto
Message-ID: <39D39566.5848A269@utoronto.ca>

Hi all,

I'm sorry to use the list for a self-serving purpose, but I'm trying to
find a couple of tickets for the GYBE show this week in Toronto.
Everything dried up terribly fast for the show and it would truly make
my day to snag a pair of tix.  Can anyone out there help me out?

By the way (in the vein of GYBE): I've seen mention of Do Make Say Think
on the list before, but has anyone heard kc accidental?  Absolutely
exquisite.  I can't possibly recommend them enough.

AND MORE for those in Toronto: If you want to see what is potentially
the best act around town right now, you MUST go see Hawksley Workman at
Lee's next Saturday.  Just go and see him.

Many thanks in advance for any help that is out there.

JPMFC


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From crp28 at xxx.uk  Thu Sep 28 20:04:53 2000
From: crp28 at xxx.uk (C.R. Phillips)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:04:53 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: do you like pina colada and getting caught in the
 rain?
In-Reply-To: <DCB3B7E31F4@mail1.mcc.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0009281953380.18047-100000@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk>

i also got very wet yesterday - hardly surprising considering it rained
almost everywhere i think....which seemed horrifically unfair really. i
like the rain, don't get me wrong, but it made me sad because it was my
first day back in cambridge and i could really have done without it, being
as it was that i had promised myself i'd go out only in my
increasingly-frayed big flares, sailing-themed t-shirt and cardigan (with,
of course, b&s badge upon its chest). aren't I the typical one? and shoes
too obviously. and then i went for a walk with my friend skye and got
v. wet and a bit sad as i wondered why she had to go after such a short to
time to, bizarrely, meet my ex-girlfriend who she is now living with.

 weird world.

does anyone know how to make films? is it easy to do? i wrote one but i
don't know if it's easy to do. and a random boy told me he wanted to set
up a society to do it too but he doesn't know how to do it. please help
us. is it easier if you feel like you're living in a cinema anyway?


sorry - randôme request.


love charlie

 "i think i love you, so what am i so afraid of?"



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From pconnoruk at xxx.uk  Thu Sep 28 21:03:06 2000
From: pconnoruk at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Peter=20Connor?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:03:06 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: HALLO!
Message-ID: <20000928200306.43313.qmail@web9703.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, I'm new to the list but I've been a fan of B&S for
a good few years now.  I'm 17 and I'm taking A-level's
in P.E. English Lit. and German (I think it's an ace
language) in the summer.  I live in the wonderful
county of Essex but don't let that put you off,
please!  I'm a little nervous about joining so go easy
on me!  Speak to you all soon, (I hope!)  Peter 

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From ian at xxx.com  Thu Sep 28 22:47:49 2000
From: ian at xxx.com (Halliday, Ian)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:47:49 +1200
Subject: Sinister: Pina Coladas
References: <200009281146.MAA15851@missprint.org>
Message-ID: <39D3BC85.D058CDA9@halliday.com>

What an extraordinary coincidence, for those who believe in such things.
Just the other day I was singing Rupert Holmes' Escape song. I was
surprised by how many people have it on Napster.
And now a sinisterene writes about it (or at least uses it as a subject
line). Of course, I mustn't say too much about pineapples or Honey will
get mad at me.
Once again, no B&S content from New Zealand.
But my spell checker does want to replace "Napster" with "Nastier". Hmmm
- surely not another RIAA plot?
--
Ian W Halliday, BA Hons, MIMIS, AAIBF Snr, ANZCS, ATMB, CL
+64 25 245 6089
http://www.baptism.co.nz
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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Thu Sep 28 23:58:15 2000
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:58:15 +0100
Subject: Sinister: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftkapit=E4n?=
Message-ID: <000101c0299f$b93b8b40$684e063e@default>

Grüß' Gott,

Thanks to nicholson ian for the Stuart quotes. I liked

'House music is as dead as dead.  Most clubs are
boring beyond belief.  Try something different.
Something meaningful!  Get back to church!  Afterwards
you can take someone you fancy up the Necropolis.'

best. I suppose Necropolis to be Glaswegian rhyming slang along the lines of
Khyber or Gary Glitter, but what the hell does it rhyme with??


On the V-Twin single Stevie Jackson is referred to as Stevie Reverb. IMHO
this is the only thing of interest about it whatsoever. But then this is a
person on whom the whole business of remixing is lost. Except for The League
Unlimited Orchestra's Love And Dancing, The Cure's Mixed Up & a Tortoise 12"
I can't remember the name of right now.


There was more but luckily for you I've forgotten it.



Today Your Love, Tomorrow The World,

David Moore
Chelmsford, UK

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From ms664 at xxx.com  Fri Sep 29 03:15:17 2000
From: ms664 at xxx.com (MS)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:15:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Blah blah blah...
Message-ID: <20000929021517.3363.qmail@web3301.mail.yahoo.com>

I was just soo excited about the talk of shortening
words. In all of my lectures i make a personal
challenge to use as many abbreviations as possible.
(no wonder i have difficulty reading my notes) there
are just so many words which are too long. It did
especially like the concept in 1984 about destruct+ing
the language  (double-plus-good). It would have to say
that it was one of the scareiest movies i have ever
seen, that, and the truman show (remember, crappy Jim
Carey movie) Movies which set out to conjure real life
situations are about the scariest.

I have only two days left at uni and i have my degree.
But am i looking for a job, nooo i have already
started a second degree, just milking this childish
thing for all its worth.
I must say i have great difficulty thinking of myself
as an adult.

Summer is coming to Australia. I'm already scared. I
hate hot heat here there and every-where (sorry, got a
bit carried away...it must be the pending heat) Last
year i managed to escape summer for London and
assorted european locations (give me ice and snow any
day) everybody thought i was crazy going to europe at
that time of year, but the last laugh will be mine,
when they shrivel up with wrinkles and skin cancer,
yeah! (this spiteful scowl will give me wrinkles). 
The bright and sunny aspect of summer i don't mind but
it is almost impossible to enjoy as it is too hot to
go out side and enjoy it. (Cruel fate, why do you mock
me) 
I seem to be developing a persecution complex. 
I must be going before all to evil people around me
try to claw my eyes out, 

Micka
Off to kill the wizard...




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From ac484 at xxx.edu  Fri Sep 29 03:30:35 2000
From: ac484 at xxx.edu (Adam Conover)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:30:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: words are too long
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.1000928222901.25192A-100000@bard.edu>

a non-aryan one: the japanese also have a fun way of shortening words...
they just take the first syllable from every word! you know pokemon? yes,
literally pocket monster! they are so enraptured with american culture of
course that they steal our words...

here is a good question for everyone... why is the super-rare live album
of so-and-so-band always JAPAN only? i have seen so many of these! why not
belgium, or luxembourg, or indonesia? or CANADA, even! i am confused.

- adam


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From dunbare at xxx.net  Fri Sep 29 05:26:59 2000
From: dunbare at xxx.net (Ewan Dunbar)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:26:59 EDT
Subject: Sinister: there's too much fudge
Message-ID: <200009290426.AAA27641@titan.golden.net>


this is my first post in a while, and i'm still a bit green as far as
posting here. oh well. anyway. I just got back from my fake-job, where I
don't really work, I just fill in. it pays very little, but it's very
easy and I can't get fired. hell, i don't work there! then I popped in
on my friend closing up at the expensive chocolate store down the
street. he bought me some expensive grand marnier fudge, but he gets it
cheap, and i'll pay him back some time. lord, it was sweet. I didn't
finish it, but that's okay cause it was half a pound to start with. now
I feel ill.

anyway, there was a modest mouse concert in toronto a couple weeks ago
which I said I was going to try to go to. I couldn't get a ride. damn.
that really drives me, because so very many people on the list have said
so many good things about them. oh well.
I have decided that I really really really really love belle and
sebastian. I know, I know, what's to decide? but I go through phases;
I'm never uninterested: I always love the band. I'm just back in my
drooling phase now.

anyhoo. last weekend I went to toronto for the ontario universities'
fair. which was dull. my plan after that was to wander around toronto
until I found soul food and a place to eat, which I did, eventually. I
was getting hot and worried until I found queen street, which is more or
less what I was looking for. I went into a couple record shops and
immediately my blood pressure sank, much like a very heavy weight with
an even heavier weight attached to the bottom of it.

I decided that for a person who, as I recently discovered, is a big fan
of indie music -- indie was one of those terms I used to just throw
around, until I realized that the only difference between me and most
big indie people is a) a lot of them are fake indie people (whereas I
didn't know I was an indie person at all, though I was suspicious when I
noticed I didn't like any of the music on the radio and preferred
relatively unknown "independent" bands) and b) I buy very little music
and don't know much about very many bands, I just listen to suggestions
from reputable sources (like sinister)) -- anyway, for a person who is a
big fan of indie music, I needed to actually *own* some velvet
underground albums. 

basically the only albums (altogether) that I have are all my b&s stuff,
The Queen Is Dead, and the best of the velvets. I don't have much. so I
bought a copy of the velvet underground and nico. the guy looked at me
like i was from another planet when I wanted to buy it on cd. he said,
of people buying cds of the velvets etc. over vinyl, and of cd's of
pre-80 stuff in general, and I quote, "It Burns My Ass". I liked that. I
told him I would much prefer it on vinyl. what I didn't tell him was
that, considering I have so few albums, I haven't had a working
turntable in a long time. I was ashamed to admit it, so I didn't. but
anyway, he discovered he actually didn't have a copy of it left on
vinyl. I was about to buy a vinyl copy of White Light/White Heat,
because that had been a dream of mine for a really long time. plus there
was one of the Live 69 records. I'm not sure why I didn't buy it. that
would've been better. basically I don't have a turntable right now. so I
would have had to wait a while.

but I bought a cd of the banana album. and you know what? now I know
what he meant by "It Burns My Ass". Hearing this album on a cd really
BURNS MY ASS! It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I will get a copy on
vinyl as soon as I have some money (and maybe even a turntable). I ate
an eggsalad sammich on a bagel at union station and went home. I saw a
friend on the train going back. she was with her sister and we talked
about whether we were really back in stratford or whether we had somehow
gone into stratford without really being there -- coz for some reason it
didn't seem like stratford.

anyway, this is getting very long and boring and intimidating looking,
and probably no one will read it because of that. so I'll cut it off he
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From miss_disco at xxx.com  Fri Sep 29 02:18:59 2000
From: miss_disco at xxx.com (Andrea Insch)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:18:59 GMT
Subject: Sinister: help me, I need advice..
Message-ID: <LAW-F199c05IXgThLoF00006a5c@hotmail.com>

hi my names catherine

I need help, the weather here in australia (brisbane) is getting hotter
and my school hoildays are almost over!!!

the start of my holidays were so fun, I went to new farm park with some 
friends and played football, then we sat outside a fish and chips shop with 
our little radio playing belle and sebastian songs dancing.. then there were 
some fun parties, popscene dancing about, looking around second hand and 
record shops, finishing my new zine... but now all the fun is over!!!
School starts on monday!!! and I don't want to go back, to all the teeny 
bopers teasing me as I'm a bit strange...

can someone out there offer some words of advice?
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From annabelle at xxx.com  Fri Sep 29 10:23:00 2000
From: annabelle at xxx.com (annabelle at xxx.com)
Date: 29 Sep 2000 09:23:00 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Language
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From Mark at xxx.com  Fri Sep 29 14:49:46 2000
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:49:46 +0100
Subject: Sinister: no alla violenza
Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E22011D32CF@SERVER1>

A big thanks to Idle Kristin for spurring me on to write my first post in a
month - the older I get, the more I seem to be distanced from my friends,
which includes all you lot. Sigh.

I have had first hand experience of the non-Scottish faux-Scottish person -
some of you may know who I mean... Still, it's good for a laugh when she
FIGHTS to the DEATH with Ally Cook over sectarian issues inside Glaswegian
f**tball. She'll have particularly appreciated last night's result... Most
importantly she introduced me to BLACK PUDDING, which, as far as I know, has
never been mentioned on the list* 

Still, it has given me the chance to go to Scotland, where I'd never been
until New year's eve 1998/9, and now I think it's fab. I might even be going
back soon, so lock up you, erm, pints...

The other thing she said, which I have to respond to, was

But he
was drunk, and being male, also certain that anything
he said was right, true, and 100% correct. Men do this
when they are drunk...

...and women do it when they're sober ;)

The late lamented Queenbeejanine once sent me an Add N to (x) computer file
of some description which she claimed was pornography, but, despite my best
efforts, I haven't been able to open it. Can anyone enlighten me as to what
that was all about?

For more compoundword fun of the jokey variety, check out
http://boards.fool.co.uk/Message.asp?mid=6181445
<http://boards.fool.co.uk/Message.asp?mid=6181445> . Okay, it's on a finance
website, so shoot me etc. - I'm not ashamed...

This is pretty poor for my first email in a month. It's not even hauntingly
beautiful, like some. If I keep practising, maybe it'll get better.

Let the good times R!O!C!K!,
Mark xxx


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me that yes, black pudding was in fact mentioned by Rod Begbie in October
1997, actually, in a treatise on coprophilia and the Left Banke, thank you
very much.


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From top-notch-surfer-boy at xxx.com  Fri Sep 29 15:35:49 2000
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From Lorraine.Hosie at xxx.uk  Fri Sep 29 16:32:11 2000
From: Lorraine.Hosie at xxx.uk (Lorraine Hosie)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:32:11 +0100
Subject: Sinister: A pain in the freck 
Message-ID: <F0EC21C5F871D41187B900805FCC276642E910@EXCHANGE-SERVER>

I am of the Clan Ginger, and if anyone ever refers to me as "befreckled",
I'll have their guts for garters.

Don't even GO THERE.

Thanks then,
Lorraine

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From sophiesea at xxx.com  Fri Sep 29 17:17:21 2000
From: sophiesea at xxx.com (sophie harris)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:17:21 GMT
Subject: Sinister: N is for Neville who died of ennui
Message-ID: <LAW2-F1916uPDVniSnR000070a4@hotmail.com>

feeling chirpy, i opened up my pink plastic electronic fortune teller 
cookie. i asked 'will today be a good day?' and it spelled out 'HOPELESS'. 
twice. and then i couldn't shut it, so it kept doing more 'answers' - 'CAN'T 
TELL', 'ASK ME LATER'... i didn't mind.
*
hello beautiful cherubs
just some little words from me because i have that splendid ooh must write 
to sini feeling, which is a rare bird indeed - the reading i love, but the 
compulsion to write comes surprisingly like ooh i dunno, fog... *anyway*, 
rambles aside...
i got in early this morning, and so have been able to relish my digest, but 
the *best* part is that i've got the cd player on my i-mac working, and 
yesterday i fiiiinallly got my own proper arab strap on cd so now i have 
everything on the same format (twitchy i know) - and so i snuck it on as 
soon as i got in and felt just dandy (i'm scared to put my stuff on the 
office stereo as it's quite loud and am worried everyone willtake the piss 
:( ) -
aaargh! other people have arrived, and put the proper stereo on - my arab 
strap is now drowned out by horrid kid a!! bumm-er.
the ever charming idleberry said:
I can't get into chat rooms anymore, including
sinister chat, jeepster chat and corduroy smoke chat.
Grr.
growls and frowns indeed, nor can i , it is rooobish. but then the equally 
lovely kenneth p chu said 'It would be grate that one day the Queen
would say "No, Tony we are not going to rename the Houses of Parlament the
Kool House of fun because it's silly" and i laughed out loud. although i was 
then dogged by thoughts of eviiiiil pat sharp's 'fun house' (use your body 
and your brain if you wanna play the game).
the painting competition  is just terribly exciting - and specially cause 
it's electronic, 'cause that means that unlike Tony Hart's 'The Gallery', we 
don't have to part with out pics forever. i always wanted to send stuff in, 
but they would say at the end of the programme 'sorry, we can't return any 
pictures', and i was devastated at the thought of my best pasta picture 
being lost foerever.
hey, does anyone know where i can get some nice wallpaper for my computer 
screen? only i don't want sunset beaches or animals in hats etc, just 
something pleasing and not too distraqcting. (ooh i like that typing).
On a final, rather sad note, Edward Gorey has died. He made the Quangle 
Wangle Quee book, and the Utter Zoo Alphabet, with such lovelies as
'The Wambalus has floppy ears
With which to wipe away its tears'
and
"The Veazy makes a creaking noise
It has no dignity or poise.'
i really really heartily do recommend a look at
http://users.aol.com/emarko/gorey.html
and The Gashleycrumb Tinies... i really nearly *promise* you'll love it.
t'ra for now
a tug on your duffle coat sleeve
and lots of love
xxsoph
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From elenita99 at xxx.com  Fri Sep 29 18:38:13 2000
From: elenita99 at xxx.com (elenita99)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:38:13 CEST
Subject: Sinister: Linguistic problems again
Message-ID: <LAW-F1095b6KZmcK8r600006597@hotmail.com>

Hello happy listees,

Well, I am a student again. I even went to class this week. I forgot that so 
pleasant sensation of being free half of the week, with not much to do apart 
from buying records and going out. I love being a student.

I found a place in Barcelona and I am moving in tomorrow. This is gonna be 
the whole "I discover my unknown flatmates" again. There are 2 girls, they 
don't look really like psycho-killers but who knows? I don't even know their 
musical tastes, I am taking so much risks :)

Steven Rolfe said:
Did anyone know the fasinating fact that there are no words at all in the
English language which rhyme with "orange"

That left me terrified. I tried to think about a word but I only came up 
with "range", and being part of "orange" it doesn't work really. My English 
vocabulary is pretty poor so I hope that is what prevents me from finding 
another one. Because being a single word like "orange" with no other to 
rhyme with would be awful, really, and I hope "orange" doesn't really stands 
like this on its own.
Then I tried to find a lonely word with no rhyme in French but couldn't. 
Which leads to the conclusion that,leaving words with no rhymes, English is 
such an unfriendly language :)

I think I am going to sit in front of the sea all evening trying to find a 
match to "orange". Or I won't get sleep tonight.

Have a nice week-end
Elena


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From into_red at xxx.com  Fri Sep 29 18:23:01 2000
From: into_red at xxx.com (not your senorita)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:23:01 CDT
Subject: Sinister: did you miss me kiddies, its the artist foremerly known as januarythaw
Message-ID: <F159xU8raUMTzFm15k400009672@hotmail.com>

jello my little ones. it's been so long since last we spoke but i just 
couldn't bite my tounge any longer after reading a particular post by a 
certain listee. ahem peter,  he said something which just made me chirp

<<<German? Pah! We British are very good at making up words too. Take
"SPITFIRE" for example. Magnificent, isn't it? How could it possibly lose?
Our German friends, however, chose to call their aeroplanes "MESSERSCHMITT"
which means "Mister Smith". I rest my case.>>>

well oi vey spare the horses. lets break this down shall we? (authors note. 
i could be wrong but which of you are really going to contradict me? eh? i 
dare yew) messer is german for knife. or sharp. that sort of thing. and 
schmitt well after a lot of discussion in #sinister we haven't been able to 
figure out anything other than smith. aunthadie says schmitt means schmitt 
and altavista says schmitt means schmitt so whatever a schmitt is. i hope it 
has a nice itme. maybe it is just smith. but wouldn't that just be horribly 
boring *le sigh* right well...

i'll be 21 soon hurah. and i plan on spending most of my days from then on 
thoroughly pissed. no maybe not. it might not agree with my plumbing and 
medication. haha. anyhow pressies are thoroughly encouraged. and well if you 
don't get me something then i'll sick the baddies on you.

and finally everyone feel sorry for me as i am not able to go to dallas this 
weekend to see yo la tengo, as my car decided to break the blasted starter 
is going out and my mum has this fear of me being stranded and well really 
so do i now too. so. send your love wine, and  chocolate this way.

/me thinks

content: um well hehe. i have made some cute little b&s picture sticker 
thingys i'm so proud. and i've made one for hefner, and i've stuck them on 
my car. prolly the only one in oklahoma bedecked in things like that. *le 
sigh* oh yeah. for kicks and giggles, i go into record shops around town and 
ask if they have the cd fold your hands child you walk like a peasant. just 
to see how they react to such a title. it's especially great (or grate? i'm 
not sure which perhaps both? anyhow.) to watch the preppy pretty boys who 
got a job there because they wear hemp necklaces and birkenstocks.

*belch* when i'm president dr pepper and cherry coke shall be freely offered 
for intravenous useage. that is all

iris
xoxoxox

p.s. everyone should own don mcleans records. but especially the famed 
american pie. he is fabulous. absolutely. mhmm
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From littlearsonist at xxx.com  Fri Sep 29 18:45:42 2000
From: littlearsonist at xxx.com (marie elia)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:45:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: sinus is nice, but sinus can stop you...
Message-ID: <20000929174542.19067.qmail@web110.yahoomail.com>

well well well.
look what you pretty little things have been up to.

i'd say that i'm sorry that i've not posted in, oh, Months, but 1) it's
been so long that the whole list is new and doesn't care one whit about
lil ree, and 2) i'm not sorry.  mwahahaha.

yesterday i arranged a late lunch so i could walk into harvard square to a
comic book store where an artist i like a lot was doing a signing.  but
the store was full of cool-looking kids (hellO!!  comic book kids are
supposed to be big DORKS) and there was a huge line so i just ran away
quickly and ended up sitting by the river freezing my tookus off and
feeling sorry for myself.  so signing, no lunch.  nada.  

DAMON.  i think both steven kado and christiaan lampinen have mentioned
BODY PARTS and i'm pretty sure they've not submitted to the BODY PARTS
PAGE.  i demand enforcement.  of course i haven't checked the page in a
while, seeing as how my internet connection is so damn slow that i can
only run one on-line application at once and #sinister usually takes
preference over email, porn, eating & sleeping, etc.

mark c. totally inspired me to write.  mark -- and all london and possibly
edinburgh listees -- julie and i will be descending upon ye for our
newyears/winter holiday.  two weeks with two gorgeous american girls. 
what ever will you do?  and Evil London DDR Team, you best be ready
because julie is the Perfect Dance Machine (tm) and i'm, well, the Perfect
Cheerleading Machine ("that's alright, that's okay," etc etc).

this has nothing to do with b&s, but then again, b&s don't seem to have
anything to do with b&s lately either.  

i have in my possession a $20 gift certificate to HMV.  what will i spend
it on?  only time will tell.

i'm stuffed up.  weather changes suck.



who loves you baby?
xoxo,
ree





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From stray4f at xxx.net  Fri Sep 29 19:09:30 2000
From: stray4f at xxx.net (===)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:09:30 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Linguistic problems again
In-Reply-To: <LAW-F1095b6KZmcK8r600006597@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5FA28EA.3CAD%stray4f@prodigy.net>

Jad Fair succesfully rhymed 'Orange" with "door hinge" years ago.  Not one
word, but a valid rhyme.
> 
> Steven Rolfe said:
> Did anyone know the fasinating fact that there are no words at all in the
> English language which rhyme with "orange"

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From porterww at xxx.edu  Fri Sep 29 20:19:29 2000
From: porterww at xxx.edu (Will Porter)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:19:29 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sinister: I listened to you now maybe you'll listen to me
In-Reply-To: <F159xU8raUMTzFm15k400009672@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009291353330.30837-100000@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu>

On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, not your senorita wrote:

> well oi vey spare the horses. lets break this down shall we? (authors note. 
> i could be wrong but which of you are really going to contradict me? eh? i 
> dare yew) messer is german for knife. or sharp. that sort of thing. and 
> schmitt well after a lot of discussion in #sinister we haven't been able to 
> figure out anything other than smith. aunthadie says schmitt means schmitt 
> and altavista says schmitt means schmitt so whatever a schmitt is. i hope it 
> has a nice itme. maybe it is just smith. but wouldn't that just be horribly 
> boring *le sigh* right well...

No way!  that would be extra rad!  Dig: if messer means knife, and schmitt
means schitt, then the name means "knifesmith," or perhaps more literally
"knife maker," perhaps even with SHARP, SHINY TEETH.  Can you imagine?  A
plane that makes its own knives and hurls them around willy-nilly, all
the while baring its SHARP, SHINY TEETH.  Absolutely terrifying at worst,
and extra super DOPE at best.

the control keys on my computer aren't working too well right now, which
is making Pine quite a challenge to use.  But I REFUSE (fist in the air,
thick waves of electric defiance rippling from my body) to use one of them
sissy GUI emial programs!  Anyway, so if there's an odd k or x or somesuch
floating around this message, don't mind them.  if you find an unattached
c, then you might just have happened upon evidence that I was chickening
out altogether and not going to send this drivel at all. 
ccccc  
damn.

So, the past few days I've noticed that I really kind of like lifting
heavy things.  Who knew?  Well, it's really not the actual lifting I
like--it's the being able to lift heavy things.  

OOOOH
yesterday, I got a swell new jacket for fall.  it's my first black
clothing in AGES and it looks SO HOT on me.  Well, at least I like to
think so.  the past month or so, I've had nearly 30 consecutive good
mirror days (you know those days where you see your reflection and think
"damn, I'm cute!"), which is about 29 more than I've ever had in the rest
of my life combined.

I saw a corduroy jacket that I wanted that was on sale and it might as
well have had a sign on it that read, "Hi, my name is Will and I will be
your librarian today."  but the sleeves were too short and it had shoulder
pads and my sister said they made me look like a ('merican) football
player, so I didn't buy it.  The other reason I didn't buy it was because
I am poor.  But I'm going to New York City in a couple weeks!  yay!

I keep wearing my B&S badge on my hoodie and trying to show it off around
town but so far I only get questions about it:  "what's that?"  "who are
they?" and (my favorite) "Is that from a wedding or something?"

okie bye

will

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From pinefox at xxx.com  Fri Sep 29 21:41:25 2000
From: pinefox at xxx.com (P F)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 20:41:25 GMT
Subject: Sinister: A chance to see a picture of Scott Plouf (Built to Spill), + some other people
Message-ID: <LAW-F71kuutSgcOrBLS000072d0@hotmail.com>



You know, Will Porter is a name that reminds me of early cinema. A scholar 
or a director? I can barely remember these days. It's been a while. A while 
since I studied that stuff, I mean, but also a while since the days of early 
cinema. Nonetheless, whoever this Porter, Sweeney or Earwicker might be, he 
exclaimed today:

>>>But I'm going to New York City in a couple weeks! yay!

Now, I don't need to tell you that such talk doesn't spread much ice, I 
mean, cut much mustard, around here. You should try getting out of South 
Croydon on a Thursday night before you start saying things like that. 
Nonetheless, it's the kind of thing that folks on this list are always 
saying - so let me share some junk mail with you. No, it's not a free 
diploma or $25,000 - or is that a free $25,000 or pay for a diploma? I 
really can't remember the dynamics of these things I clear out of this 
account every other day - it's way more interesting than that, and you ought 
to get a load of it. But it arrived in these parts in equally mechanical and 
collectivized, not to say mass-mailshot, form, with the dull thud of a 
Reader's Digest tumbling on to a doormat chosen with what David Bowie 
(that's 'Bowie' to you) misleadingly calls 'the randomizer button'.

========================================

chickfactor editor Gail O'Hara will be displaying her photographs at ace 
record shop OTHER MUSIC (15 East 4th Street between Broadway & Lafayette) 
from Oct 1-22

The collection includes portraits (many of) The Magnetic Fields, Amy Linton 
(The Aislers Set), Belle and Sebastian, Yo La Tengo, Cat Power, Barbara 
Manning, Lois, Liz Phair, Aggi Pastel, Janet Weiss, Stevie Jackson, Pamela 
Berry, The Foxgloves, Scott Plouf (Built to Spill), Robert Forster (The 
Go-Betweens), Pavement, Salmon Skin, Sleater-Kinney, and Containe.

Many of these have appeared in chickfactor magazine.

Feel free to post this info on those many lists around le monde!

=====================================


Now, I have a feeling that advertising things like this is actually against 
the rules of the sinister list. Has anyone checked the rules lately? I know 
Peter Miller hasn't, or he would have noted that article 16b) is a ban on 
mentioning Baxendale. We'll let him off lightly, it's his first offence. No, 
it's not, come to think of it. He's been offending since Jimmy Nail stopped 
riding donkeys. Anyway, the thing is, this is not an advert, it's an 
opportunity for annotations. These follow.


>>>ace

This means 'stellar'.

>>>15 East 4th Street

This is quite near 5th Avenue. But it is nearer the Bronx. It is also close 
to Queen's. To get there, you take the L-train, not to mention the Z-train, 
from Staten Island and disembark opposite the drug store between Macy's and 
JC Penney's.

>>>The collection includes portraits (many of) The Magnetic Fields

My colleague Miles Hanley thinks that there is a word missing from this 
sentence and it should read: 'The collection includes portraits of (many of) 
The Magnetic Fields...'.

>>>The Magnetic Fields

This is explained on the sinister entry for

Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:56:06 GMT

>>>Amy Linton

Another missprint. Should read 'Chelsea Clinton'. (Thanks to Paddy Dukakis 
for correction.)

>>>Belle and Sebastian

See http://www.missprint.org/sinister/

>>>Yo La Tengo

Yo La Tengo is a member of the 'new neuralism' school of 'most[ly]-modern' 
Japanese fiction. He writes uncompromisingly, in the dark. For more 
information see http://www.yolatengonipon.com, or e-mail Martin Robinson at 
captain at marvel.com.

>>>Stevie Jackson

See http://www.missprint.org/sinister/

>>>Pamela Berry

This artist is nowadays more often known via a collection of letters and a 
number. 'Pamela Berry' is an old-fashioned form of her name, yet very 
respectful, and thus to be encouraged. For more information see
http://www.geog.ox.ac.uk/staff/pberry.html

>>>The Foxgloves

This refers to a picture which has been known to make lumberjacks salivate, 
gyrate and go to discos. See also http://www.papercuts.co.uk.

>>>free

Best known for the soft-rock hit 'All Right Now'.

For more information see http://www.hardrockin'tosh.com

>>>around le monde

This is another error. Should read 'Trompe Le Monde'. See 
http://www.planetofsound.com.


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

In other news, I noticed that someone had finally replied to Ally96Cookie's 
fascinating rhetorical questions about spiders. And the respondent was Lucy 
Alder, who had things to say about (I think) the preponderance of spiders in 
autumn.

Have these two been introduced? I think they would get on well.

-------------------------------------------

David Moore chelmed in, claiming to be:

>>>a person on whom the whole business of remixing is lost. Except for The 
>>>League Unlimited Orchestra's Love And Dancing, The Cure's Mixed Up & a 
>>>Tortoise 12" I can't remember the name of right now.

Forget black pudding, Cazza, I mean, Begbie - when did anyone ever mention 
Mixed Up on the list? I still remember the NME cover, October 1990: the 
headline was 'Bobby On The Beat'. I know that Steady Mike remembers this in 
detail, too, but he's not admitting it. He saw the Cure in Crystal Palace, 
you know. I think it was about 3 days ago.

-------------------------------------------

Honey said:

>>>Squirrels have cheeks, not pouches, don't they.

I suppose so. It was sweet of you to point out the mistake. Only Alix 
Campbell had noticed it.

and

>>>then I'll have to stop running Sinister, and then you'll all have to join 
>>>the Status Quo list.

But PJ Miller and I are already on that list! What kind of a threat is that?

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

In another part of the world, the gringo known as Senor Timotei el Hopkinsio 
has been quaffing Sol [Campbell] and saying things like:

>>>The Divine Comedy were and are utterly vile. Kingmaker are merely 
>>>horrible.

Is he right? I think he might be, you know.


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From rfadden at xxx.com  Fri Sep 29 23:20:50 2000
From: rfadden at xxx.com (Robyn Fadden)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:20:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: zombified by don mckellar
Message-ID: <20000929222050.26118.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com>

lo'
and behold,

autumn(e) brings bugs into the house; i have gleaned this from
sinister and from my own experiences. i had to kill a small spider
the other day as it reminded me that bigger spiders would be on their
nasty way. but today i rescued, of all things, a furry caterpillar
from the batting paws of my bad black cats. i think it must have
hitched a ride indoors on the back of my pantleg. which got me to
thinking about how to encase myself and my apartment in a succession
of plastic bubbles and airlocks.

ah, but nature's great, just as long as it doesn't get on me.

as i was riding my bike to work today i thought, "now this is more
like it" b/c the weather has turned to damp and overcast again. but i
was really loving summer weather and still cannot bring myself to
wear socks yet. as much as i do love certain socks. anyway, it seemed
that everything moved slower today, even the rain. and no cars tried
to kill me either. i think that perhaps i personify cars too much (by
which i mean give cars human attributes, not give myself, an
inaminate object, car attributes), thinking that the revving of an
engine as a car passes within millimetres of me is an expression of
anger/spite/misfired frustration. when really it is just the sound a
car makes. but really it is more the sound that the driver makes the
car make. i have some issues to work out there.

sigh. will porter posted.
and steven kado boasted.

will porter said the word "rad". he also said "swell". aren't words
the greatest? "gee". ("shoulder pads" i could do without though.)

i have seen many film fest movies and the fest is only half-over. but
i calmed down about it and prescribed to the "quality, not quantity"
rationale. phew. unfortunately, the japanese zombie guitar wolf "wild
zero" movie that k, steven spoke of could not be seen by me as family
descended upon my apartment, causing a rethinking of priorities. ag.
where is my bubble world?

there is a restaurant near my old house called "bubble world". they
serve nothing but bubble drinks. the weirdest drink in the world... i
challenge all to name a (real) drink that is weirder than one that is
half-full of marble-sized squishy tapioca balls that surprise the
drinker each and every time they shoot up the wide and usually
neon-coloured straw and into the drinker's un/suspecting mouth. sort
of the equivalent to the mouth what a strobe light is to the eyes.
thoroughly disorienting. yet still, fun. and sometimes lychee
flavoured.

i saw don mckellar eating popcorn one row up and eight seats over
from me in a movie theatre five days ago. i spazzed internally. but
did not say hello (!). i meant to seize the moment, but the moment
seized me, etc, etc, my sweet old et c. somehow having a crush on a
canadian celebrity seems okay. probably b/c there aren't too many who
are crushable... or, more probably, b/c the words "canadian" and
"celebrity" are a rare combination indeed (i exclude the obvious
fr-cdn chanteuse here). 

and then there's Pierre Trudeau. who died yesterday. but i don't want
to talk politics. the cbc is doing enough of that for me. a writer
told a story about how everyone was in love with trudeau even if they
didn't know it, even if they didn't agree with his politics. i cried;
i was susceptible; it was morning; i was just told i was in love with
the man who made canada officially bilingual and so much more. and it
hurts when love is lost.

love 
robyn n n n n n n n
(can you believe what came out of my mouth the other day? i said:
"you spell it with a 'y' - it's easy to remember b/c i'm much more of
a why person than an I person." insane. i had to cut myself off from
movies and gin for at least 2 to 3 hours.)

=====
I was reading the dictionary. I thought it was a poem about everything. ~Steven Wright
~~~
Robyn Fadden    rfadden at yahoo.com    Vancouver, BC

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From magnetic13 at xxx.com  Sat Sep 30 02:47:24 2000
From: magnetic13 at xxx.com (teri .)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 01:47:24 GMT
Subject: Sinister: doorhinges & stephin merritt
Message-ID: <F198IZfPAtNz1MF2oMZ0000a2ab@hotmail.com>

wow, i haven't posted in eons. but then i saw this and couldn't resist.

<<PS Did anyone know the fasinating fact that there are no words at all in 
the English language which rhyme with "orange".>>

actually, a year or so ago there was a little competition in which sinister 
kids were supposed to make up poems that rhymed impossible words as "orange" 
and "silver". i submitted a very, very bad poem that stole jad fair's trick 
of "orange" and "door hinge" while at the same time mentioning stuart's arms 
of sex and rhyming "silver" with "kill her". if that wasn't bad enough, i 
submitted the poem under my ENTIRE name, like first name and last name, and 
because of that if anyone enters my name into a search engine, this poem is 
one of the first thing that comes up.

it doesn't sound like a bad thing, does it? well, it's freaking me out more 
and more every day. i'll be graduating from university in less than two 
years and i just *know* that during a job interview type thing they'll do a 
quick scan of my name on the internet to see what happens. what will come 
up? a crappy poem about sex, killing people and sinister things. lovely. i 
even emailed the guy who runs the site where the poems are located but i've 
gotten no response. goddamn.

otherwise...

dear emily posted about this awhile ago, but i'll remind you all again -- we 
will be hosting a stephin merritt tribute night at the rancho relaxo in 
toronto. it's on friday november 3rd (the date changed), will cost $3 and 
we'll play a bunch of magnetic fields, future bible heroes, the 6ths, etc 
plus tons more. it has a good name too - how fucking romantic. come come 
come!

teri, who is glad that eddie won big brother.

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From no_surprises_21 at xxx.com  Sat Sep 30 03:31:30 2000
From: no_surprises_21 at xxx.com (Chris Heil)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 02:31:30 GMT
Subject: Sinister: orange rhyming dictionary
Message-ID: <F89VHInti3Lqe8lim5R000033ec@hotmail.com>

Orange Rhyming Dictionary...this is the title of the first Jets To Brazil 
album (very good I might add)

I always wondered what this phrase meant.

Sarcastic devils.

Now I guess I know....





















OR DO I!!!!!!
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From garymaher at xxx.com  Sat Sep 30 06:35:35 2000
From: garymaher at xxx.com (garymaher at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 01:35:35 -0400
Subject: Sinister: there'll be rhyme enough for talking when we're older
Message-ID: <20000930.013828.-336859.2.garymaher@juno.com>

While you're all trying to find a rhyme for "orange", you can work on
"month" as well.

The only thing I've come up with is "cunth", and that isn't even a proper
word.  (But I think I like it just the same.)

Oh, and goosing someone is giving them a gentle squeeze or poke on the
behind (not to be confused with a goose step, which should be something
like Gansschritt, but which looses all of its idiomatic charm as
Stechschritt (sharp step?)).  I dunno -- I suspect the Queen Mum might
get off on that kind of thing (the goosing, not the goosestepping).

Autour de Lucie anyone?  Or am I painfully out of time?

g

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From nickgillespie at xxx.com  Sat Sep 30 11:35:48 2000
From: nickgillespie at xxx.com (n|ck g)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 10:35:48 GMT
Subject: Sinister: please... don't butcher two languages
Message-ID: <LAW2-F110Rf6Ci6nx8d000077d4@hotmail.com>

not your senorita wrote:

Our German friends, however, chose to call their aeroplanes "MESSERSCHMITT"
which means "Mister Smith". I rest my case.>>>

i think that someone already pointed out that "das Messer" means "the knife" 
but i have to point out that i have never, ever heard anyone refer to "ein 
Flugzeug" (airplane : literally translated : flying thing) as anything but 
"Flugzeug." sorry to rain on the parade. it might be that i live in the 
south and the bavarians don't use that word, but when i lived in frankfurt i 
didn't hear that either.

the closest thing to Messerschmitt that i can think of is Messerschnitt. 
which means "knife slice."

ng
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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Sat Sep 30 12:47:43 2000
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:47:43 +0100
Subject: Sinister: A Swansong For Who?
Message-ID: <000201c02ad4$43a516e0$af00073e@default>

Hi All,

Hard to believe that a member of Belle and Sebastian (uh?) is actually
releasing new product in 3 week's time, huh?


There is a possibility that the debate following Peter's Witz about German
compound nouns is becoming too Ernst Udet which I will now render a
certainty.

The Luftwaffe's principal fighter in the Battle of Britain was designed by
Willi Messerschmitt & was referred to in England as the Messerschmitt or
(Me.) 109. Hence all German fighters of the time being called Messerschmitts
by the British public. If you want to get even more interesting you can
enter the debate as to whether it should be more correctly known as the
Bf.109, after the Bayerische Flugzeugwerke which manufactured it.


The other day Ally (McBeal, not 96) exclaimed: "I gave him Carsmile!"



David Moore
Chelmsford, UK

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From nik_ovenden at xxx.com  Sat Sep 30 17:09:39 2000
From: nik_ovenden at xxx.com (Nik Ovenden)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 09:09:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Well done, new president of Yugoslavia.  shall we celebrate with another election i can fiddle properly this time??
Message-ID: <20000930160939.10701.qmail@web2104.mail.yahoo.com>

Dearest Sisterneenies,
Gosh, hasn't it been a while?  i would write every
day, but my life is just not that thrilling to make
you all suffer reading time after time (yeah, like i
have regular readers...)

Well, here we go...
SOPHIE HARRIS (sophiesea at hotmail.com) spat out the
following earlier this week:
my [boy with the] arab strap is now drowned out by
horrid kid a!! bumm-er.

Hmm...i'll bet you're one of those people who hate
musicians experimenting.  Let them suffer a typical
boring 9-5 job then, no room for progression...
THOM:  So, how about using something other than our
guitars today?
JONNY: Yeah, i've wanted to release my techno urges
for ages.
BORING MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO DEMAND WHINY GUITAR
MUSIC FROM RADIOHEAD BECAUSE ANY OTHER KIND OF MUSIC
ISN'T 'THEM':  bitch bitch bitch.

Any other sodding band (e.g. Reef) who released an
album exactly the same as their other ones would get
slagged off by everyone.  Radiohead don't and they get
slagged off by everyone.  can they never win?
Christ, the album is good.  the band are enjoying
themselves.  who said they had to appease the public?
Sorry, but since they can't defend themselves, i feel
guilty.

Talking of slagging off bands who cant defend
themselves...
BEATLES
thank christ i missed talking during that
(boring pop average band only made it to fame because
of Profumo Scandal/JFK assasination commercial whores
beatles bubble gum? whore whore crap music (except
blue meenies, which wasnt a song) boring profiteering
fools)


THAT KIDS MUSIC HYPERLINK
wow...i now have 100 kids tunes singing at me...and i
found the entire French Mysterious Cities of Gold OST 
AND 
KNIGHTMARE CLIPS!!! wow! only the greatest kids show
that ever graced 1987-1994's TV sets...

BOOKS AMERICAN PARENTS DEMAND BANNING:
1 - Harry Potter (promotes sorcery and witchcraft). 
Can I say for every SANE person out there
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!  Stupid american parents...was
it just the puritans who demanded that?  if so, there
must be a lot of them for it to be no. 1 (and behind
all those proper satanic books on the market...)

LAWRENCE MIKKELSEN
A god.  simply.  if my crush vote wasn't utilised i'd
give him it.
HEY, why do we only get one crush vote?  that's so NOT
what it's like these days!!!

JOINING WORDS
hmm, my crush will be pleased about this.  since
discovering her, fragnets (fridgemagnets) and many
other word hybrids have spewn forth from her mouth.
I suppose it's a good idea, but it means that
eventually we'll talk to each other entirely thru
abbrev. U C?
I remember complaining about B&S (he he) abbreviations
before.  it goes to show, the little knowledge i have
is just circulating again and again.

GERMAN WORDS
Je ne sais pas, parce-que j'apprendre francais depuis
six ans (and you couldnt tell, could you?  and that is
the correct way to say "i have been studying french
for 6 years, so eat shite you pompous french grammar
students...got in an acid house reference there too!!)

NEW JOKE
i've been working on it for a while, and someone had
probably discovered it before, so i'll enlighten you.
A woman walks into a restaurant, and is seated at a
table with two bowls on.  With no waiter around and
the bowls filled, she decided to try each bowl.
The chef appears and says "ah, you're sampling my
cheese and white sauces.  How do you like them?  i
wanted an opinion, you see..."
the woman looks him square in the eye and says "why
sir, i don't appreciate your ruse."

Get it?  nah...roux?  email me (or block my
address...)

At this point i would like to apologise for the Kid A
rant.  i get tetchy when people slag off
radiohead...especially a record with at least four
(Kid A How To Disappear Completely Idiotheque Motion
Picture Soundtrack) 
fantastic songs on.

THE STEPHEN KING BRACKETY BITS
i never realised how good they were to write in. 
sorry, but they are quite groovy.

CLEARLAKE
on tour supporting the delgados!!! 2 for 1!!!
clearlake are great (not grate, as they are not
plastic/metal hybrids with sharp slanted holes)

SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC
what a cunt.  comments?

Je suis tres desole,
Niko
xxx

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