Sinister: Rule it out!
debbie spiers
seyfert7 at xxx.com
Fri Aug 3 14:39:27 BST 2001
i'm glad julie could articulate what i couldn't. maybe sitting around
reading about all of these complaints isn't fun, but how do you think all of
us felt sitting around reading about all the gig reviews? it was wrenching.
i think the conclusion reached at that point, was if you didn't enjoy it,
then don't bloody read about it. sinister is here for us to comminucate
feelings with similar people, is it not?
b&s are my favourite band, and its very hard to say anything negative about
them, but neil's post was offensive. i don't expect the band to follow fans
dictations, but the fact is they don't appear to care to much for us right
now.
i don't know what else to add...other than i second julies post.
>From: "Paul Arathoon" <paularathoon at xxx.com>
>Christ, you'd think that B&S were going to bomb any cities they weren't
>playing in. They aren't a Public Limited Company and "we", the self
>appointed fans, have no reason to dictate their behaviour. So we buy their
>records, doens't give us a mandate to have a go at them or the management.
>
>I just hope the next months on sinister aren't full of more and more people
>complaining about this because it is about to get tedious....
>
>>From: "Julie" <jules at xxx.cx>
>>Reply-To: "Julie" <jules at inebriated.cx>
>>To: <sinister at missprint.org>
>>Subject: Re: Sinister: Rule it out!
>>Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:51:20 -0400
>>
>>You know, the times when I've had the opportunity to agree with Brian
>>Pennington have been few and far between.
>>I wasn't going to say anything about this whole west coast tour thing,
>>because I didn't really care that much. But this email from Neil
>>Robertson
>>pissed me off subconsciously, as I woke up this morning annoyed.
>>Belle & Sebastian have very rarely acted like professionals, and their
>>fans
>>have passed it off as charming. Oh, they won't be photographed, isn't
>>that
>>cute! But the people Neil's email was directed to were not the NME, they
>>were the fans who have been buying imports, flying to the UK for
>>festivals,
>>and crouched over their computers listening to Peel Sessions for years on
>>end. But to wait for ages for news of a tour, and then to be answered
>>with
>>a chiding "Just wait your turn!" is a little fucking idiotic. One half
>>assed mini tour in 1998 where half the dates were cancelled does not a
>>good
>>excuse to blow off more than half a country make. If you can't afford an
>>east coast tour, or you have no time, or you just don't WANT to because
>>you
>>spent a few weeks there not long ago working on the Todd Solondz thing
>>(without scheduling any shows), say that. But don't play the fucking
>>martyr, Neil, it's not becoming. Clearly you are shocked that those of
>>us
>>who saw the band several years ago, or possibly stood in the venue waiting
>>for a show that would never happen, would dare to ask for more shows. Oh,
>>but we have to wait while the rest of the world gets graced with the
>>presence of Belle & Sebastian. How considerate of you to play for the
>>good
>>people of Iceland. (I noted that the entire center of the United States
>>and
>>Canada was omitted from Neil's list. Really, if you're going to make sure
>>everyone gets a turn, don't forget Bolivia, and India, and fucking
>>Minneapolis.) It is painfully apparent here that touring for Belle &
>>Sebastian is not a matter of satisfying fans, it is a matter of
>>convenience
>>for the band, and where the band feels like going. Which, once again, is
>>fine, if you're just going to be up front about it. But that email was
>>not
>>a reassurance in any way to those of us on the east coast, it's a kick in
>>the teeth. Just to get things straight.
>>This email from Neil Robertson is the biggest bunch of defensive garbage
>>I've ever seen from a supposed professional in my life. And I'm insulted.
>>Which is irrelevant, but shouting about it made me feel a little better.
>>
>>-Julie
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Neil Robertson" <neil at xxx.net>
>>To: "sinister" <sinister at missprint.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:14 PM
>>Subject: Sinister: Rule it out!
>>
>>
>> > I'd better stop yous there.
>> > Don't read anything into there being a gap between the West Coast and
>> > Brazil.
>> > We're going home in between. There will be no East Coast shows.
>> > There is one more West Coast show to be announced. We haven't finalised
>>it
>> > yet, and I wanted to get the rest of the shows on sale.
>> >
>> > Just to get things straight. Three years ago we played some shows on
>>the
>> > East Coast. Now we're doing some on the West.
>> > We will be back in the East soon enough. For the moment though, there's
>> > loads of other places we've never visited.
>> > The people of Japan, Australia, Italy, Norway, Greece, Argentina,
>>Chile,
>> > Portugal, Nothern Ireland, Iceland and Denmark, for example, have never
>>had
>> > a visit, and they must be ahead of New York in the queue.
>> >
>> > My apologies to the good people of Philadelphia and Toronto, who I
>>think
>> > have a right to be disappointed. We owe you one (at least), but to come
>>to
>> > the East and only do these two would be hard to justify.
>> >
>> > We've got some catching up to do, but we're making decent progress, and
>> > we'll be round again as soon as we can.
>> > Sorry about that.
>> > Please bear with us. I appreciate your patience.
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Neil
>> >
>> >
>> >
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