Sinister: ding!

[u07lec at xxx.uk]

hello, good afternoon, hello,
I will, first of all, voice my agreement with idleberry on the complete 
shutdown of the scottish summer; I don't think it ever even started here, but I 
might have missed it that one day in May when I went to England, so I better 
not say anything without proof. Don't want to be accused of basing my comments 
on any unsound facts - if we all took notice of ken's style of scientific 
reasoning, the world would be a better place.
Archel mentioned the diceman, I completely empathise with her feelings; the 
book makes you feel a loathing for the diceman, and you feel completely 
detached from him and his lifestyle, but still you find yourself 
thinking  "hmmm...". How easy would it be to let somebody/something else make 
all your decisions for you? Of course, you'd have to get rid of your conscience 
first. I vote we all try it out on saturday, see where the dice takes us.... or 
not.
Archel also mentioned seagulls - I live FAR too close to a huge nesting place 
of seagulls in the middle of a city, and it's the only time in my life I've 
ever considered mass murder with a blunt instrument. If anyone has any 
suggestions on instruments that could possibly be used, please email me... 
they're city seagulls, probably quite streetwise, so they may well be wise to 
the baking soda trick. I've tried shouting at them to shut up, I've even tried 
playing them some nice music, but it's not working. Give me pet sounds over 
seagull sounds  anyday, archel. 
On the whole subject of indie fascists: 
peter carter said this:

             "with cliques come behaviour pattens. People who
              choose
               > to
             > > dress and certain way, or listen to a certain                  
              kind           of           music         tend to
            share
            > > common traits. This is the essence of cliquedom, and why, if you
            actually
           > > dig

          a bit deeper than the obvious, they are neccesary."


(except maybe without all the arrows and in a slightly more flowing style)
He also said:


            "They could have an idea about you though. Don't you 
choose            the         clothes
you
> > wear in order to reflect how you feel, and the values you relate to?
> > Personally I've never worn flares or a duffel coat in my life, and I
never
> > will, but the doesn't mean I wouldn't recognise that I might have more
in
> > common with someone who did..."


and he ALSO said:


            " There seems to be a disturbing number of 'indie' people claiming
they
> > like one, and only one, bad pop band in order to prove they aren't
> > pretentious. These people are almost always the most pretentious."


I say "yay" to ALL of that.

Ken Chu said:
 
            "I have met some people in the "indie rock scene" who
have struck me as being pretentious, but not any more than people in any
other "scene" "

and I say "yay" to this as well.
In regards to ken's other comments about pulling and suchlike, I'll be selling 
my new "prime genetic material" t-shirts, so make sure you bring plenty of 
spare cash along....pulling made easy!!
 People generally think that certain other people on the same 'scene' as them 
are pretentious and snobby, because they've never spoken to them (I said 
generally, not always). In my experience, this seems to happen a lot, because a 
fair proportion of the 'indie' people I've known have been shy, and maybe think 
that other people are somehow cooler or more 'indie' than them. I know this 
because I was like that a few years back. Then you start to speak to people 
through other things, not knowing they're involved in any sort of scene, and 
then find out at some point that they're actually one of those people you 
always thought didn't speak to you because you weren;t cool enough for them. 
You realise that they're actually every bit as shy and retiring as you, they 
weren't being snobby or aloof, they were just as scared to speak to you as you 
were to them. Yes, there are some dickheads who ARE actually snobs, and DO 
think they're cooler than you, but they're the exception rather than the rule. 
So make indie love, not war. or something....

On a brighter note, I will be coming to saturday's picnic, and as I've only 
ever met one person on this list, I'm suitably excited. I'm staying at La Casa 
de Priscila, so hopefully that means I'll get first dibs on the strawberries 
and cream. I'll be the one with red pants and strawberry-stained hands. And 
tigermilking sounds like damn good fun. 

love
lyns








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