From jmk43 at xxx.edu  Thu Feb  1 03:32:00 2001
From: jmk43 at xxx.edu (jmk43 at xxx.edu)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:32:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: if he can teach a class, HE can teach a class
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10101312235270.5282-100000@candle.btinternet.com>
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im writing a post cause i feel like it.
i did everything on will's list of "pretty things" does that make me 
pretty?  if i die tomorrow, do i win? i like driving random places and i 
dont have a tv.

that band om nam shivaya, or whatever, reminds me of what that guy says in 
indiana jones and the temple of doom right before he gets his heart 
ripped out, is that how they got their name?

speaking of bands that have names, the gigolo aunts. does anyone know 
this band, and how they got their name, or what a gigolo aunt is.  syd 
barret wrote a song called "gigolo aunt" and he's from cambridge, 
england. the gigolo aunts are from cambridge, mass. this is the kind of 
stuff that makes me think, "did i really need to buy EIGHT copies of 
Breakfast of Champions?"

speaking of indiana jones, does anyone know what that nazi guy says in 
the first one that sounds like, "heely clum." when he shows the burn on 
his hand.  what does he say? my brother said if he ever had a band he'd 
name it the "heely clums"

speaking of sports, i used to sing belle and sebastian songs in my head 
while going through arduous football practices. doing sprints or any 
exercise in general is a lot more pleasant if you are singing "oh get me 
away from here im dying."  etc etc.

americans are stupid because when they try to transcribe belle and/or 
sebastian songs, they do it with all sorts of crazy flats and sharps.  
they dont realize that in britain they tune the guitars down a half a 
step. doing that allows you to play b and s with nice user friendly g's, 
c's and d's and such. silly americans.

in conclusion, give me a donut.
-jer
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From declan63 at xxx.com  Thu Feb  1 03:57:44 2001
From: declan63 at xxx.com (jay)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:57:44 -0500
Subject: Sinister: if he can teach a class, HE can teach a class
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> that band om nam shivaya, or whatever, reminds me of what that guy says in
> indiana jones and the temple of doom right before he gets his heart
> ripped out, is that how they got their name?

it's a traditional hindu mantra, "om nama shivaya", basically meaning
"praise be to the god shiva", and supposedly summons shiva into your life.
i don't know that band so that may or may not be where they learned the
phrase, but it's not the only place.


> speaking of indiana jones, does anyone know what that nazi guy says in
> the first one that sounds like, "heely clum." when he shows the burn on
> his hand.  what does he say? my brother said if he ever had a band he'd
> name it the "heely clums"

he was just saluting and saying "heil hitler".  at least that's how i've
always understood it.

i have no doughnut to offer though.

jay

"we were no match for their untamed wit"

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From chris.haynes at xxx.uk  Thu Feb  1 12:21:13 2001
From: chris.haynes at xxx.uk (Haynes, Chris)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:21:13 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: wouldn't it be funny if a cow had a wouldn't it.
Message-ID: <F5964EC6580BD2119C8400A0C9CFB9669D5CA0@icex5.cc.ic.ac.uk>

hello.

well, i'm not really too sure about how to start this, it being my first
post. i'm not sure this is the right time to be posting either, during the
napster furore that seems to have taken over the list. in fact this mail
will probably get caught up in the current and be washed downstream and
lost. just a click of the 'next' button on everyone's screens. still 1400
clicks is quite a few.

i have been out of the nursery a while now, but haven't yet had the courage
to venture forth. while i was in the nursery i was chomping at the bit to
get out because there were many tidbits from emails i liked and wanted to
comment on. but rather like a squirrel with his or her nuts (whatever takes
your fancy), i hid them away and seemed to forget where i put them. infact
the only one i remember is something about richard whitely selling out, but
that seems a bit pointless now. anyway, the reason i post today is what
someone (sorry i forget who) said about being a 'letter snob'. i have to
confess to being one too. there is something special about a letter. maybe
it's the fact that the person who wrote it has physically touched it, or
that they breathed on it. i don't know. but they cetainly have something
that emails don't. and i'm not saying that email isn't good, it's great, i
mean we wouldn't have the list without it. horses for courses.

as for napster i'm not really qualified to say. my connection at home is far
too slow to make it worthwhile downloading lots and lots, and usually i get
disconnected before it's finished. with most music i like sitting on a bench
(i have a thing about benches) and listening to it through headphones, which
i can't really do with a desktop. but i do hate the idea of music 'snobbery'
too. i have, at best, a mediocre music collection and love it when i come
across something new and exciting and if napster helps more people to do
that then great. but, rather like the letters v. emails above, i hope it
doesn't put and end to mix tapes. i don't have an awful lot of them either,
but again there is something more personal about them. knowing and expecting
where in the tape there is a gap, a certain noise, the sound of someone
pressing the record button, the end of the side. lovely.

i know there was more things i would have liked to say, but i won't.

cheerio,

chris.
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From Nigel.R.Townshend at xxx.uk  Thu Feb  1 12:22:52 2001
From: Nigel.R.Townshend at xxx.uk (Nigel R. Townshend)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:22:52 +0000
Subject: Sinister: To: sinister@missprint.org
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what a strange few days on sinister... nearly as strange as my dream.

 I was sat at the top of the Meersbrook Park when mr Robson from Grange Hill approached with an
elephant which was pulling a christmas tree. We planted the tree and then the elephant ran off! i
was like blimey charlie but mr robson explained to me that it was a guard elephant and it often ran
about. 

somebody mentioned Sodastream yey! they are so cool i only have the pickled egg 7" turnstyle its so
cool, they were so cool live as well just two men a guitar and a double bass. I shall listen to
John Peel everynight till i hear them. 


If you're bored and have nothing to do, go out for a walk.  Go to
somewhere you've never been.  Look at a map, and go to somewhere just
because you like the sound of its name.  See what somewhere looks like
from a slightly different angle.  Take photographs

was it will who said that?

 well being bored nearly all the time due to the fact i do nothing  i caught the tram to a place in
Sheffield i had never been before but i was dissapointed for all i found was a few swings, a burnt
out car and a block of flats. I was too scared to take out my camera. tomorrow i shall go to
middelwood  where there is a mental asylum. that should be fun.

my shocking news came in the form of a bouncer or door police who told  me that Chyna and Tripple
HHH are engaged in real life! Can it be true. 

anyway forgive me for this creased email i have an iregular shaped folder

Nigel Love

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From paulinel_s at xxx.com  Thu Feb  1 14:33:30 2001
From: paulinel_s at xxx.com (Pauline L. Shivers)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 06:33:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Stop Her On Sight (S.O.S.)
Message-ID: <20010201143330.6295.qmail@web6105.mail.yahoo.com>

Look now... it's a new century etc! 
Life cannot be that cruel, especially if you belong to
an old aristocratic european family; because we all
know that aristocracy is something almost strictly
european! You can't find it anywhere else! africa? no!
asia? yes OK, there are some really old families
there; I've once met a japanese prince; he was an
artist and you won't believe what he was doing! he was
photographing barbies and Kens after he did some
meddling on them! he'd make leather underwear or even
put plastic genitals on them and then put them in a
room he'd make, like a model you know, arranged them
in total s&m positions and would protograph them! then
he'd enlarge these photos in poster dimensions and
exhibit them! they were really shocking, I'm telling
you! 
back to the aristocracy thingy. 
America? No! No way! there's no such thing as an
american aristocrat! even though I've heard these
rumours about american commoners buying english
titles!
hah! or double 'heh' as someone we all love and
respect in this list would say! too bad she's not here
anymore to hundred-double 'heh'! I'm sure I'd go in
her black list of 'the ones who despise the land of
the free and the brave' and if I was lucky I'd go away
with an accussation of being a man who had a hard on
for her since I'd first read her sparkling fits of
intellectualism pseudo-snobbism feministic pestiforous
crap! Oh I do definitely have a hard-on for that
little vipee! a hard-on indeed! 
Americans are good in other novelties too! like they
are really good in voting! they are so good at that!
but of course! america is the cradle of democracy! but
anyway, what do I care? the self-appointed thingy
though is quite a trademark isn't it? I mean americans
tend to self-appoint themselves in various positions!
oh we have self-appointed planetmasters,
self-appointed peacemakers, self-appointed whatever!
and of course the list wouldn't escape the
"self-appointed" curse!
And don't get me wrong! I have nothing against
americans, not on a personal level! no! There are
people in here whose posts I love to read; and they
are americans! I mean, after all, America gave us a
Donna Karan and a Calvin Klein! OK, for the more
upper-middle-class fashion victims!
Why am I writting all this, you'll ask me! After all,
I'm the most apolitical being on earth! I don't give a
poo about politics or americans or anything as long as
my wallet's full with credit cards I can use to buy
all my favourite Gucci accesoires and Miu Miu and
Chalayan outfits! so now, after this 'so much unlike
me' intro, we're entering the most entertaining, most
spicy part of my story! 
You see, I was in Switzerland for christmas and new
year's! swinging around in balls and coctail parties!
That's where I met him! an american playboy! member of
the jet-set! not the european one! a jet-set-junta or
a jet-set-bubba, thing is, he was stalking me like
noone else before him! His father owned this
telecommunications company, I can't remember the name
now and he was living in Philadelphia! what the hell
was he doing in Switzerland? What have I done to
deserve such a destiny, I kept asking myself,
re-running my life just like on a VCR, forwarding some
scenes, re-playing some others, stopping with awe on
others... nothing to deserve John Francis Kendall!
He was one of these men who are so confident for
themselves that it ends up to be a blasphemy! his ways
were so pediculous, so rude! Needless to say he was
such a nummamorous bastard! we first made his
aquaintance whilst we were shopping at this very
exquisite lingerie shop in Davos, me and Violette...
Big aunt Myrtles and Theodor were having a cup of tea
at a nearby caf�... Violette and I were completely
amazed by this little miu miu set of a pink camisole
and matching pink knickers! I had just decided I'd let
Violette have the set as I had a similar one in
champagne colour, when this man burged in and said -
quite loudly - "excusez moi! parlez vous anglais?, in
the most horrid american accent! Oh, cover your ears
Flaubert, cover your eyes Balzac!! we turned and
nodded 'yes' then went back to our shopping! To cut a
long story short he introduced himself and said that
he knew us; he'd seen us at sir Whoorlthorp's party
just the other night! and he knew our aunt! As a
matter of fact he claimed that she'd sent him over to
tell us that we had been late for lunch! next thing
you know, he became such a leech it was unbelievable!
He would escort us everywhere with Aunt Myrtles'
blessings; you see, he was disgustingly rich! he would
be as loud as he could as irritating as humanly
possible! He would embarass us in every occasion! he
was a Harvard graduate but there was nothing
intelligent or refine about his ways!
So, one night we were off to this ball! Violette and I
were really thrilled about it! our best friend,
Laeticia, was coming with us! Laeticia was the most
angelic creature! she looks like Kate Moss, just her
face does, thank God! cause you know, Kate Moss has a
great face but her body... well, I suppose when she's
having sex with men she must be always wondering
whether she is the object of their lust or their
little brother, if you know what I mean! even Theodor
likes her body! that must mean something! But Lati is
not like that! she has this long hair in a strange red
colour and beautiful blue green eyes and has this body
that could cause even an archibishop to sin! I was
hoping that maybe John would fall for her! But no! He
wanted me!
So, Lati, Violette and I headed to the ball! we told
John we were going by Lati's car and he insisted to
come with us! we said no and he went with aunt
Myrtles!
Lati and I were wearing these long silk dresses that
leave your whole back naked till down to the beggining
of your bum... Violette was wearing a pink satin dress
with a see-through shawl! Lati and I had no underwear
on, of course... and John, he was always trying to
touch my bare back!I hated his hands! he had fat
fingers, and loads of hairs! disgusting! He wanted to
dance with me and I said I wouldn't dance as I was
really tired! but he wouldn't leave me alone and aunt
Myrtles was insisting that I should dance with him! 
It was so terrible dancing with this American werewolf
in Switzerland! With his lupiform hands on my back.
Disgusting! I was living up to my name, and
shivering constantly. But he seemed to believe that
these shivers were from pleasure as he decided to
lower his hands towards my bum. Now, I can't blame
him. Men find my bum irresistible, it's perfectly
shaped - someone once told me that it was just like a
peach - and this dress clung to it so tightly, very
revealing indeed! But please! It's the bum of an
aristocrat, and as such it is exclusive property! 
I could see Lati and Violette giggling and I felt like
dying, having his sweaty, greedy hands on my body! 
When the music stopped, I ran towards them really
pissed off! then Lati said that we should send John -
who was heading towards us with that horrible smile
all over his face - to bring us some drinks and whilst
he was away we'd ran away in Lati's car! Violette was
objecting at first worrying about Aunt's wrath, but we
talked her into it! So, we sent John for drinks and we
escaped! We were driving and driving laughing and
singing out loud "say my name say my name" when we saw
this club! It's called "electraleen" and we saw a long
queue of people waiting outside! we parked the car and
went there! and of course we were let in at no time!
they were playing Baxendale's "music for girls" as we
walked in and with no further delay we headed to the
dance floor! what a night!! we met some really
interesting people that night! it seemed that the sons
and daughters of all the rich and respected families
who were spending their holidays in switzerland were
there! And Violette was completely swooped by this
guy, Gilbert was his name! I didn't like him, I
thought there was some sort of pravity about him, and
I was right.. but I'll tell you all about him in my
next post as I have to leave now... we're
participating in a tennis tournament at our club here
in Prague and I have 
to make haste!
talk to you soon!

   
             Pauline L. Shivers


that makes sinister all quivers
she's that aristocratic slag
who lives and reigns in Prague



PS: congratulations to Genevieve for yet another
sparkling post indeed!








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From jhuke at xxx.com  Thu Feb  1 15:13:39 2001
From: jhuke at xxx.com (joanna huke)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 15:13:39 
Subject: Sinister: You can just pitch your tent elsewhere, Constable!
Message-ID: <F891ITXmm2QirYnUTBn00006201@hotmail.com>


Hi.

I've never written before.  I'm a lurker.  I just has to ask... 
Nipple-Pinch-Sizzle??  I mean, I think I can figger it out... well, the 
nipple pinch part, but SIZZLE?  I've never heard THAT before.

Just curious.
<curtsy>
Joanna...

p.s.  sorry, this didn't take me 15 minutes to write

>From: "Genevieve Wesley" <jiffy_popper at xxx.com>
>Reply-To: "Genevieve Wesley" <jiffy_popper at hotmail.com>
>To: sinister at missprint.org
>Subject: Sinister: You can just pitch your tent elsewhere, Constable!
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:29:41 -0500
>
>Next time I fail something in school, I'm going to show how tolerant I am 
>by
>marching up to my teacher, slamming the failed paper on his desk, and, with
>hands on hips, cry out this unfair treatment is due to my rejection of him
>swinging his jolly roger of love (trademark-WarranderJ) in the Photography
>club after school. Admit it sir, you want this hot, hot body and you can't
>have it and it's killing you! (For the finale, splash drink in his face,
>throw in a Nipple-Pinch-Sizzle, turn on heel and exit.)
>
>I know sometimes it seems unfair that such pouting, luscious girls like
>Honey do exist, frolicking in the sunshine with their impossibly perky
>breasts, alas, such is life. If she spurns your love, you can't hold it
>against her, you know, Honey has to wear a chastity belt. The discomfort of
>unrelieved vasocongestion could be calmed by meditating on images of
>Precious Struan, strumming his little Magical Elf Guitar.
>
>Stuart David in character as Peacock Johnson? Ooh! Shivers of delight and
>strawberry cream! Perhaps 'Stuart' or 'the wee man from Looper' will
>actually be held captive by the Peacock, and so the Peacock is doing what 
>he
>has to do to sell the book. Does anyone else imagine his rough and manly
>hands, callused from the bass playing and writing? Trembling, I approach 
>the
>signing table...
>
>Far too many mentions of boy-bits for one day, so I will go, and before the
>Funny Man appears, I will already settle his question with a NO, there will
>not be any new photographs in the Bodyparts section. Or will there?
>
>Love,
>Genevieve...or Hank
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From littleblackfox at xxx.com  Thu Feb  1 15:37:11 2001
From: littleblackfox at xxx.com (Jules Markham)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 15:37:11 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Well i for one love honey!
Message-ID: <F76A91E9GQvnbEG10Ga00002210@hotmail.com>

hey biscuit eaters,
I have crawled from my sickbed (stricken with a throat infection where minor 
things like breathing and swallowing are absolute agony) to bang on the 
keyboard emphatically and croak
HEY!
I for one love honey, and she's always been a great listmummy to me and 
mikey, and I'll not sit here and have her insulted. If anyone has any mean, 
rude or plain old sarcastic to say to her, then I'll hunt you down and bop 
you on the head with my darth maul plastic lightsabre!

That said, I'm going back to my bed with my evil cough medicine 
(ingredients:benzoin, treacle,liquorice, ether and chloroform-woar!)
and some icecream.
jules
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From iaradcliffe at xxx.com  Thu Feb  1 19:39:56 2001
From: iaradcliffe at xxx.com (Iain Radcliffe)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 19:39:56 -0000
Subject: Sinister: the boy who's wearing flares
Message-ID: <LAW2-F11UV0hCLwHc9n00001ef8@hotmail.com>

Hello you lovely bunch, (of coconuts)
(This post will be about needing fashion advice and will then segue 
effortlessly to some really juicy and top CONTENT near the end to tease you 
and get you all HOT and bothered.)

I read Sophiesea's maritime post a while back about the difficulties of 
purchasing flares.
Which reminded me that I still had to fulfil an as yet unfulfilled ambition 
to purchase a pair of said flared slacks.

So I went to Edinburgh, and lo and behold, they had some loverly flares in - 
and this is the Crraazzy bit - a SHOP!

So I bought one pair (brown, corduroy) and one other pair (blue, blue jeans, 
I wear them everyday - there's no particular reason to change).

Trouble is, being flares, they tend to drag somewhat on the ground, much to 
my consternation, causing scrapage and the like!

Do any more experienced flare-wearers have any advice for a mere novice, or 
is the dragging on the floor like, the whole point? If you have an answer, 
please noify me by sending up a flare.

Moving on to tops (hooded). Because the weather is largely inclement, one is 
finding that a suitable jacket must be worn over hooded top. The problem 
being this time that the hood of the top has nowhere to go, and is 
effectively TRAPPED! Should it be tucked underneath or left to dangle 
unceremoniously down one's back????
Again fashion advice appreciated in the normal way.

After buying said garments, I went to the Egg at the Art College, and gave 
them their first public outing. And boy did I look just delectable scraping 
and dragging myself around the floor to the strains of....


...Seeing Other People. Hoorah, hoorah, hoorah!
(It was jolly good).

Next week: I'll be discussing bicycle clips - above or below the knee?
Mullet - with or without Pat Sharp/Hoddle/Waddle type spike combination?


Oh, that wasn't the content by the way.
I met Stuart and Isobel ooh letmethink Tuesday or Wednesday down the 
bookies, and they said they were rehearsing for an eight month world tour of 
community centres and folk clubs. To start on Feb 29 apparently.
Details coming soon at www.wotuhaven'tdeletedyetwhynot?.co.uk

Byeee,
Iain (who apologies profusely for the crapness)

P.S. Another tiresome message of support and admiration for Mistress Honey. 
Hip hip hooray!
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From bellezc at xxx.com  Thu Feb  1 21:25:30 2001
From: bellezc at xxx.com (zoe charaktinou)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 21:25:30 
Subject: Sinister: i'd like some feedback here:(read mail...)
Message-ID: <F272YiMCIqtQvAauNjV0000253b@hotmail.com>

hello all!long time,no ee from me!
well,all i want is this:
tomorrow i'm going on a holiday.in london.after a year and a half in this 
dark land i've decided to visit the capital sooooooo since we're on holiday 
from uni my boyfriend and myself decided to live a bit on the wild side...
ANYWAY, as i know that a.there are a lot of londoners in our community and 
b.i bet quite a few of you have visited london, TELL ME:

WHAT NICE PLACES ,AS IN CAFES,BARS,CLUBS ETC., WOULD BE WELL WORTH 
VISITING????

PLEEEEEEEEEEASE PLEEEEEEEEEEAASE TELL ME....


that's it...oh,yeah,and with shock and horror i discovered that there's no 
london bridge in london!it's in...the US!(is that true?i still can't believe 
it)


on another note:call me stupid(...) but i just want to make sure i have 
understood correctly:IS IT TRUE THAT B&S ARE ,ALLEGEDLY,WRITING THE MUSIC 
FOR HAL HARTLEY'S NEW FLICK?


anyway,i send my love to all of you,say a more personal hello to Vel,Joan of 
Ark,GHD,JohnK and Fiona,and OFF I GOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....

LOVE AND BUBBLES,as my friend Joe says...
zoe xxxx

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From JENOWL22 at xxx.com  Thu Feb  1 21:42:42 2001
From: JENOWL22 at xxx.com (JENOWL22 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:42:42 EST
Subject: Sinister: Don't you want to make this world bright and beautiful and full of hope again?
Message-ID: <47.6e6738a.27ab3252@aol.com>

Hullo,

It seems like no one ever does.

Watch out Honey. IsobelLark will start sending you pictures of dead babies. 
That's what people do to me when they fall out with me and they don't live 
close enough to kick me in.

Every time I saw her name I kept thinking about the Monty Python sketch where 
the police are investigating a guy about his chocolate company, and how all 
the chocolates have stuff like crunchy unboned real dead frog, or rams 
bladder garnished with Lark's Vomit. It probably wouldn't taste grate, but 
the bit about Lark's Vomit made me think about that.

When are the nerds going to rise up and take over. The Ramones told us it 
would be soon, then The Smiths did. Now Hefner and Belle and Sebastian are 
inciting Indie Kids everywhere to huddle together in little communities and 
say "it will be soon". But will it ever be? Will the cardigan and flares come 
down from the hills and eat all the Hard Kids and piss on their graves. 
Prolly not. There's another hard kid out to kill me. You want to know why? 
Cause I didn't say hi to her boyfriend. I was busy doing someone else's 
Standard Grade Programming assesment (and not for money or anything), and her 
boyfriend was taking the rip, but still, it is now apparantly a terrible 
damnable thing to not say hi back to someone who only wants to tell you that 
they don't like your glasses.

Glasses are grate. I wear contact lenses, but not always. Sometimes, you just 
have to look like a boff. It gets you in the study mood. It's true about the 
stereotypes though. I got glasses from reading to much and never going out in 
direct sunlight. I am a mole, and I live in a room.

I took Erica's advice and dowloaded Ghetto Fabulous. Well, about 75% of it, 
then my computer died. But it's very good and funny. It's weird hearing Dog 
On Wheels like that. But grate anyway. In fact it's on right now. I'm playing 
it on my little shady napster MP3 player cause nothing else'll work.

But I won't mention Napster. Because that's another thing that causes bad 
karma.

Karma is grate.

Imbolc is tomorow, but I don't have anyone to celebrate it with. Happy Imbolc 
to everyone.

Struan, I have decided, is going to marry Prince William. Either him, or the 
guy in Hornblower that plays Kennedy. Jamie Bamber.

I've been saying the F-Word more than usual. I think it's exam stress.

I had parents night. I hate that. My maths teacher was calling me a slacker 
cause I only got 85% in the mock credit exam. He's like "I want her to get 
100% in the standard grade" and use maths as a career
. My music teacher reckons I should do music at university. I can't ever read 
music, and she hates me. She likes Rainbow Brite though, so she's ok.
 My English teacher wants me to become a writer. I can't write to save 
myself. I'm too boring.
 My chemistry and biology teachers want me to become a doctor. I think i 
might just do that.
My French teacher hates my guts, but wants me to pick his moke-ish subject 
anyway, prolly cause he like humilliating me, and cause I got full marks in 
the mocksies. 
My computing teacher was complaining that I hadn't finished all the practical 
assesments. I finished and handed them in weeks ago, and I'm now doing 
everyone elses, because they asked me to. 
That's why I hate parents night. Teacher are mokes.

Pauline L Shivers knows someone called Violette. Hee hee. That's a pretty 
name.

Nazis are bad. One of my friends is a Nazi. He says he's part of the Ayran 
Race. He's not ever bluddy German. Silly boy. Is is bigoted to say I don't 
like Nazis? I mean, they did kill people, and that's pretty bad. I quite like 
french people. I just don't like my french teacher.

I don't like the army. I don't see why people think that the best way to 
resolve politics is to get big men with a mental age of ten to shoot at each 
other until one side has more dead bodies than the other. Human beings are 
mad sometimes, really.

I would say "sorry to anyone whose in the army". But I'm not really. It's 
stupid. 

What about communists? Why do they bother?

Bicycle repair man will repair bicycles and squash any threats of 
international communism. Stop picking on the commies. It's not fair on them.

I ate too much cheese, don't blame me.

Also, I'm doing Should Gay People Be Allowed to Marry? Being half gay, I fall 
down on the side of YES. But the nazi with the big chin is doing NO. Because 
gay people are only ok if they're women and they let men watch/join in. 
That's what he says. I don't think that at all. It's not like you're either 
one or the other, but you should at least make sure you're not both at the 
same time. Did that make sense?

Our English teacher who cannot speak English did not like my subject. He said 
"Do Abortion Instead". I said. "No". He said something in Hindi. When he 
thought I wasn't listening. But I know.

Is it ok to use the words "dyke" and "faggot" if you mean it in a nice way?

I still won't get on Stagecoaches.

I'll go away and stop bothering you now.

Hugs,
Jen



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From pinefox at xxx.com  Thu Feb  1 22:59:07 2001
From: pinefox at xxx.com (P F)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 22:59:07 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Minor Carragher
Message-ID: <F170xtscRM0YpdSJh6L00002b44@hotmail.com>


FAULTY POWERS

I would like to recall Mark Casarotto.


YOU DON'T HAVE TO TALK AT ALL

Thanks to all those who answered my question re. 'Give Me Back My Dreams'.

Yes, that means you.


Luckily, I went to see an under-the-weather pop star this week and she told 
me that the answer was 'What If God Was One Of Us?'. It's a very bold and 
suggestive guess, but I'm still not 100% sure that that's what I had in mind 
when I first heard Sally T sing it for a few seconds at Shepherd's Bush, 
before the security people shepherded me out, and I thought, golly, this is 
familiar.

Any more takers? Give me back my mullets, Mooro.


TEENAGE WINTERLUDE

Miller, you bore me. You and your CostadelCrime vignettes of encouEnters 
with Baxendale. Like you know them. as If!?! like, every girl around wants 
to know baxendale!? and you reckoon you do? Like, no way. !!!>?

plus also i know thatyou are not really scotish, and you have neve5 left 
woking.#

yake me off the listr. likw, now!!?


HE SCARES THE HEALTH OUT OF ME

Tim Hopkins may be long gone but he is still making me ill. Really. Well, 
possibly. That's my theory.

It's a long shot. But they worked against Gary Plumley.


GIVE ME BACK MY GARY STEVENS

I see that people are begging for the return of favourite characters from 
the childhood TV programme called 'sinister'. So, I want Steady Mike. Or 
failing that (and it will be), Edna Welthorpe (Mrs) had better post 
*properly* soon, or her fans are just going to give up.


THURSDAY EVENING

My long-term project re. discerning who are the best contemporary 
songwriters, and what to do about them (dynamite, shark repellent, 
mysterious flying accident, marriage and children, etc), has led me back to 
the Clientele. The Clientele have gone in steps, or waves, or some such, for 
me. The first time I saw them, back when the world was only a little way 
behind us, I was not overwhelmed, though others were. Then many months 
later, a day came when they somewhat overwhelmed me.

Then months passed again, and I felt the rain on the autumn breeze on the 
Holloway Road, as you slowly drifted into the night.

And as time passed I came to feel that the Clientele might have been talked 
up a tad by one or two aforementioned folks.

But in the last 3 weeks or so I have been listening, belatedly you may say, 
to their 'album', and I have come right back around to the contents. I have 
come to find it, however temporarily, virtually indispensable.

And somehow that really impressed me.

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From jiffy_popper at xxx.com  Thu Feb  1 23:24:03 2001
From: jiffy_popper at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 18:24:03 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Your whole body has a fullness or a gentleness destined for me 
Message-ID: <F2458KEtB3uSqk0kHwk00002528@hotmail.com>

>Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 15:13:39
>From: "joanna huke" <jhuke at xxx.com>
>Hi.
>
>I've never written before.  I'm a lurker.  I just has to ask...
>Nipple-Pinch-Sizzle??  I mean, I think I can figger it out... well, the
>nipple pinch part, but SIZZLE?  I've never heard THAT before.
>
>Just curious.
><curtsy>
>Joanna...

The Nipple-Pinch-Sizzle is a move Saucy Girls like to do, to show that they 
are all that, 'too hot to handle', and more.
Chin up, abs tight, chest thrust out...seductively lick index finger, place 
finger on nipple, and make like oil-hitting-hot-frying-pan Ssssszzzzzt noise 
as you pinch. Very good if done to both nipples simultaneously and bonus 
marks for Sassiness awarded if followed with the popular Kissy Bum Slap. 
Your skirt should swirl around as you sashay out the door, head thrown back, 
laughing.

I could, of course, relate this to certain boys from a certain band, but I 
won't. Sigh. Windswept on the moors, Victorian nightgown billowing around 
ankles...hark! Is that a red-headed imp in the forest? His eyes burn through 
this delicate cloth.

Many of you have discussed how lovely the Virgin Suicides soundtrack is, and 
I agree, but I was happier to discover from the movie that others follow the 
lovely practice of writing their beloved's name on their underwear. Mine is 
a total mystery! _ _ _ _ _ _

Has anyone sent am email to the Peacock Johnson yet? Was he very wicked in 
his reply?

Love,
Genevieve
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From kpc98c at xxx.UK  Fri Feb  2 03:12:45 2001
From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 03:12:45 +0000
Subject: Sinister: My mole's where Ann Summers go
Message-ID: <200102020306.DAA29372@missprint.org>

Hello,

God it's been a bloody stupid day.  I went to my job interview yesterday, 
and it went ok, then I stayed with my friend for the night, and just as 
I was about to go back to Nottingham today I've discovered that the brake 
of the car is making funny noises and so I struggled back to Milton Keynes 
and I'm stranded here for now waiting for the car to get fixed.. I really 
needed to do work this week as well in uni!  Grr.

At least I guess when I can't work now I can catch up on the Sinister 
e-mails, there were loads to read too.  There were stuff about Napster 
and stuff, personally for me I've just used Napster as a radio, to 
hear things that I haven't heard before.. heaven forbid, my first b&s 
experience was an mp3 file!  But I've been good and bought all of their 
albums and EPs since.

On this note, I must tell you about this grate new band I've found, they're 
called (would you believe it?) "Red Bull Dozers"!!!!!!!!! Wow, and what's 
more, they are giving away their new songs mp3s out *for free* on their 
website...

http://www.redbulldosers.com/

How generous!  I've heard some of the songs and not only is the band's 
name amazing, the songs are pretty good too!

Someone talked about guitars.. adding from the tuning down half a step 
technique, you can of course also put on a capo in the appropraiate 
places for a song to make them more playable, which may not always be 
as good but saves having to retune your guitar all the time.

Of course, using unofficial guitar transcripts is unfair to the writers 
of the songs and an abuse to copyrights of information hehe.  I'm off 
to steal some chords to try and write a song now.. maybe I'll be as good 
as the Red Bull Dosers!

Dosers and Red Bulls!
Ken
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From pastel_auricular at xxx.com  Fri Feb  2 07:12:32 2001
From: pastel_auricular at xxx.com (Dante Dethrone)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:12:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: The Pastel Manifesto
Message-ID: <20010202071232.28422.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

To whom:

     Once again the darkness has fallen upon my humble
abode.  My front door undulates under the force of
winter winds, and my thoughts sway from realistic to
idealistic in the night's wake.  Is this mind of mine
alone in the shallowness of this deep blue mood?  Is
my mood the same hue as any of you?

The wait:     
     The slightest sound, the softest sigh, or the
wink of an eye could stall our demise; however, these
very same things might just prolong our goodbyes, but
the inevitable is nigh ...  the inevitable is nigh.

The who:     
     We stand on our tectonic plates, and we squirm
and shake, and we point our fingers here and there--
this way and that.  Who is the accuser?  Who is the
accused?  Are we the users, or are we the abused?  If
nothing else we are entirely irreverent, as the world
has enveloped us with its tiresome indifference.

The the:     
     The elitist.  The fascist.  The racist. The
aristocrat.  The capitalist.   The authority.  The
government.  The monarchy.  The dynasty.  The Bigot. 
The people.
     
The waste:
     A vast abundance of the natural resource that is
the human being.  A resource so flagrantly squandered
and at the same time ignored.  A power so mighty as to
bring about its own destruction.  A confused mass of
wasted energy and matter.  A plan without cause.  A
cause without direction.  A pointless endeavor to make
sense.  A circle of life, and a cycle of death.

The want:
     If only we were all children.
     
The wave:
     There is something that flows beneath your foggy
dreams like the pristine refraction of sunbeams in a
clean stream.  The intensity of restlessness
dissipates and settles at the bottom of nothing as if
it were nothing before.  A calm only the ocean knows
can be ours for sure.  Casual contentness.  What is
truly profound will most definitely resound, somehow. 

Until then, friend, around the bend i'll send you an
occasional glance, a mere wave enhanced with love
attached, and a smile to match.
     
-not to be continued-

imaginary elixirs to the lot of you,
jeremy

p.s.:  in case you're wondering, i probably didn't    

       mean to make any sense.  i'm just a bored 
       insomniac.

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From D.Foster-2 at xxx.uk  Fri Feb  2 09:54:00 2001
From: D.Foster-2 at xxx.uk (DAVID FOSTER)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:54:00 GMT
Subject: Sinister: delurkery
Message-ID: <E14OcvH-0001V4-01@mary.csd.plymouth.ac.uk>



hello. I'm delurking for once to write some sleep deprived influenced 
rubbish.
talking of old childrens TV, my all time favourite has got to be the 
Clangers. magic pure magic. i have no doubt in my mind that many many 
of you will love it too
I have fallen in love with IYFS again
I never fell out of love with 3...6...9
Is anybody else really worried that George Bush is the president. I'm 
highly concernified and I'm not even bloody american. Does anybody 
else reckon hes going to blow us all up? My fave quote:"People who 
think I'm not smart enough to be president have underestimated". 
Classic. 
some people contribute to this list in such an intelligent, 
witty, and downright life affirming way. not me however.
loved that joke about the bees 
has anybody heard the version of 'Sir' Drakes 'River Man' by Andy 
Bey. Its lovely. Its on the INCredible Gilles Peterson comp which is 
a mightily fine compilation. Highly recommended to everyone 
Really want to see 'Crouching Tiger... 
I've developed a strange love of Inspector Morse (the whole show, not 
just the guy yeah) but I've only got one episode on tape so I just 
end up watching that again and again, well about 3 times err 
content.....I'm not too 'au fait' with Napster and MP3 and all that 
bumjiggery so I am in the regrettable position of never having heard 
'Loneliness of a.....and Lord Antony etc. However, this means I've 
got them to look forward to at some point in the future. A bit like 
episodes of the Simpsons, cos I've never had Sky so am seeing lots of 
new ones on the BBC now.......mmmmmmmm new Simpsons.
Dreams eh. what are they all about then??
I saw this really expensive psychic over xmas (it was a present) and 
she told me I was a pilot in the 2nd world war in a former life...no 
really...its true...i was. so apparently blah blah blah does anyone 
care.......
I so badly want a good game of poker. Any poker players on 
the list?
Life is trippy man, especially when you stay up for ages.
Thankyou. Sorry. And Good Morning.

Love, laughter and Lambert & Butler
David Foster x

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From sleeka at xxx.com  Fri Feb  2 09:54:18 2001
From: sleeka at xxx.com (sleeka at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:54:18 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Murdoch is the new Pat Kane
Message-ID: <3a7a83ca.7425.0@btinternet.com>

>From today's free Daily Metro - 

"Gonnae no' beat me say 'FAT' duo

Two stars of the hit comedy show "Chewin The Fat" will 
go head-to-head in the race to become a university 
rector.  Greg Hemphill and Karen Dunbar have been 
nominated for the post by students at Glasgow 
University.  They will face opposition from Norman Blake 
of Glasgow pop band Teenage Fanclub, Stuart Murdoch 
of Brit Award-winners Belle and Sebastian and author 
Alasdair Gray to succeed former EastEnders star Ross 
Kemp for the three-year post when the university's 
17,000 undergraduates go to the polls this month."


Fancy that, eh readers?  I hope the Glasgow Uni 
students amongst us will keep us informed each 
candidates manifesto.  Vote for Norman!  I mean 
Stuart!  Crumbs....

The Kings of Convenience album is lovely, they were 
playing them on Virgin in store radio and everything.  
The next big thing, no less!  The world has gone mad.

Your Eager Reporter,
Chris

ps last time i wrote about a website but I typed the 
address thing wrong.  It's www.flipflopflyin.com

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From lixibell at xxx.com  Fri Feb  2 18:45:19 2001
From: lixibell at xxx.com (alix campbell)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 18:45:19 -0000
Subject: Sinister: 37 seconds
Message-ID: <F238NhIIqgRXrJrozCs0000344d@hotmail.com>

oh sinister

my inbox is overflowing like the bin in my kitchen. passively spewing bits 
of plastic and carrot peelings into that space between fridge and washing 
machine. mostly, though, it was fwds from my old flatmate, none of which i 
read, or was interested in. thanks jennie.

i thought about what to write when i was on the tube. i have, however, 
forgotten.

in the last month i have learnt many things. one of these is how to say 'big 
dick like an elephant' in hebrew, and i also know almost too much about 
Saussure. it was all going so well until he got stuck on anagrams. anagrams 
do crop up in text, but like the results of the statistical tests i applied 
to my A level coursework, they have NO significance. for instance the above 
text has the words 'the lemurs are russians, the cod is fresh' hidden within 
it. its not a sub, anti or uber text text. i made that up. if it wasn't for 
his moustache i'd be tempted to think the anagram thing was some weird 
vanity project of Saussure's.

my credit is runnning out. abort!abort!

last night, i was waiting for a bus and miss lucy appeared. she has the 
internet On Her Telly! we ate chinese. it was good. i went home and talked 
out 'bad clothes we have worn' with my flatmate. apparently she had the 
slapper stage 'something terrible'

i had a dream about fiona apple. i was a frog in a helicopter. she was 
trying to seel me cheap tickets for her gig. mIRC chat was involved. i woke 
up puzzled. i wake up puzzled most days.

going home now.

lix./
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From toescantalk at xxx.com  Fri Feb  2 18:25:52 2001
From: toescantalk at xxx.com (toescantalk at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 19:25:52 +0100
Subject: Sinister: kedgeree and chips
Message-ID: <E14Oku8-0006Bn-00@pluto.runbox.com>

Alright people of the new millenium,

Don't feel pressurised. It's just bad timing. A bit like this morning when I woke up and realised I was a salmon and that I'd have to swim up stream to spawn. Sometimes I just prefer a nice cup of tea. What I really wanted for Christmas and no one got me was a fish ladder. It's not much to ask is it? All I want to do is avoid hydropower turbines. What is a boy to do? Things like Napster, monkey baiting and the Public Spending Borrowing Requirement seem pretty trivial when you're climbing a fish ladder. Don't stop till you reach the top, or if you do at least spawn. That's what I say. As Britney sings eruditely, "The clock is tickin' and we can't stop, Open a soda pop, Bop-shi-bop-shi-bop." I couldn't put it better myself even if I'd payed more attention while being educated. Wasn't Tom Cruise soda pop? Do you think she wants a piece of his ass?

Sometimes I like to get some popcorn and sit and watch the banter beteen these Peter Miller and Pinefox characters. I'm just not sure whether they're snogging in real life too. Does anyone know? They really could be the new Dirty Den and Angie, which Eastenders has never sufficiently replaced in my opinion. They got close with Robbie and Wellard I guess. But Wellard has much nicer hair than Angie.

I too have this Kings of Convenience CD of which someone Sleeky spoke of, is that another word for greasy? It does indeed look like they could be making it as there was a big display in HMV of the little CD's. Bless 'em. I wonder if they can afford to buy their own food yet? But I'm glad someone mentioned Hue and Cry too. What an ace soul combo the brothers Kane were. A true labour of love indeed. Well I loved their labour, truly. Almost as much as I love Darius from pop stars. Sometimes the prospect of marriage seems outmoded, but then you imagine Darius in a white wedding dress and it all makes sense. Much like kedgeree. Why didn't I know about these Pop Stars auditions? I do a cracking version of Life is a Rollercoaster (you have to hear me na na na na) and someone said my dancing makes Kermit the Frog look stable. Which is a compliment isn't it? Oh well I'm going to write a letter to ITV demanding Warren is re-instated then I'm going to write to Ken Livingstone with a one !
!
!
line letter saying "what is it that you actaully do?". Oh don't blame me blame it on the weatherman... It wouldn't be so pluvial otherwise.

Te ra,

Martin

P.S Anyone heard the new Constant Spray e.p "I knew a Frenchman once, he claimed to be from Belgium, but as if anyone would own up to that?" I'm just not sure about it existentially.


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From brandtpfundak at xxx.com  Fri Feb  2 19:41:02 2001
From: brandtpfundak at xxx.com (Brandt Fundak)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:41:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Sustain
Message-ID: <20010202194102.9982.qmail@web1804.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I have not posted to this list in many moons, but for
some reason the alignment of the stars, a pending move
and the verbosity of recent posts just made me want to
make my presence felt.

Speaking of stars, i purchased the Trembling Blue
Stars "Broken by Whispers" yesterday.  Absolutely an
amazing album. I swear Bob Wratten doesn't put out a
bad song.  I can't wait until I see them in march in
DC.

I did a google search for my name and saw a lot of my
older (and lamer) posts. Someone sent an e-mail to the
account I used to be subscribed to asking for
permission to use a post in a paper.  Unfortunately I
NEVER check that account, or I would have said
certainly.  she had singled out one of my better
posts. shame.

I think I need to stop bringing my henry's dress CDs
to work.  they keep making me want to RAWK OUT and
that behavior just isn't looked upon kindly by
corporate america.

ok. that's it.  For those of you who know who I am,
hi.  For those of you who don't pleasure to make your
acquaintance.  It will probably be another 6 months
before I post again.

Then again something will happen to make me eat those
words.  it always does.

Brandt



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From pinefox at xxx.com  Fri Feb  2 21:49:43 2001
From: pinefox at xxx.com (P F)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 21:49:43 -0000
Subject: Sinister: oh! what's the Matteo here?
Message-ID: <F163CScgcOeDfjQaNT900003c52@hotmail.com>


START

TOWER BRIDGE

I hadn't heard from Robinson in a long while. The last I'd heard he was 
spending his days talking unprofitably to strangers on the internet, in 
between bouts of unsatisfying and poorly-paid occasional work.

REALLY STUPID

I listened to the first record I ever bought, again, the other day. I 
thought it fabulous: in fact, I thought it sounded better than ever. There 
were things - the piano break on 'Don't Want Anything To Change', for 
instance - which, 13 years and a few bands on, sounded a lot more impressive 
than they did in the suburbs of 1988.

THE LOOK

Even for aesthetes like us, vanity projects are not the way forward. 
Robinson has never been tempted to grow a moustache.

RAIN, ASPHALT AND LIGHT

I listened to The Trinity Session again too. I didn't even bother dragging 
out the old Chris Roberts reviews. I can pretty much quote them verbatim 
anyway. The album practically made me want to go and form a quiet, echoingly 
minimal rootsy folk-country combo that plays original materials and cover 
versions of cunningly-adapted standards.

JOHN FLINTSTONE

We made it. It was a close thing at times, but we survived. We staggered out 
of the B%(*&dale gig still intact, just about. We had trained ourselves for 
weeks with special sick-bags, manufactured in a new factory outside 
Warrington, thinking that at the end of this course we would be ready for 
anything B^&%^dale could throw at us. Of course, we were wrong.

SWEDEN / SWEDEN / OOOH!

There had been rumours that Robinson had become embroiled in a heterosexual 
relationship, but he hotly denied them.

He took me to a travel inn on the outskirts of Basingstoke. It was said that 
Samuel Richardson had once stayed on the site of the original inn, the 
Robertson Arms.

TINY VICTORIES

Robinson reads to me from the Melody Maker, Spring 1989. Pat Kane of Hue and 
Cry, responding to an interviewer, says that he corresponds with a 
13-year-old girl, who worries alternately about her skin and the state of 
the ozone layer. 'She's the Ordinary Angel, the archetypal Hue and Cry fan'.

TYNE BRIDGE

He said that it would have been absurd to ask Mondrian to add a few more 
colours to his palette.

I cannot tell you where he finally found 'Love'.

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From Something.Pretty at xxx.com  Sat Feb  3 07:28:27 2001
From: Something.Pretty at xxx.com (Rachel Playforth)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 23:28:27 -0800
Subject: Sinister: writing frightening verse to a buxom girl in luxembourg
Message-ID: <001101c08db3$0471c080$818e01d5@aqlzosqt>

one day i might pick a subject line that a) i haven't nicked and b) bears
some relation to my post.

i have become of the opinion that, like intelligence, truly good flares
cannot be bought but must be inherited.  my beloved, perfect flares (2
pairs) came to me via my housemate, which means that i am now the exact
shape she was when she bought them, or something. or else they never really
fitted her and were just sojourning (word of the day) with her until they
could find their true destined owner.  but however much i love my flares
(and my housemate) i can't help thinking that her getting my ex-boyfriend in
return was a bit of an unbalanced deal...  but enough of that already.

tomorrow i go to get my tattoo.  people keep saying 'oo, what are you
getting?  an ickle butterfly?' which makes me wonder if i'm the sort of girl
who looks like she would get a ickle butterfly tattoo, and, if so, what i
can do to destroy this impression as swiftly as possible.

anyhow, i am thrilled and terrified by the prospect, and thanks everyone who
mailed me with comforting thoughts like 'yeah, it hurts like fuck'.

curious sinisterines can check out the final result at the brighton meet-up,
which is provisionally arranged (ie. i've just looked at the calendar and
decided) for saturday 24th february.  it will almost certainly involve
northern soul.  and tuaca.  and frisbee on the beach.

singing b&s choons in your head:  i do a thing at work where i sit at my
desk and try to get through the whole of 'get me away from here i'm dying'
(appropriately) before someone distracts me with an inane question.  i very
rarely get beyond 'here on my own now on a bus'.  which usually then morphs
into 'here on my own now in a room full of idiots in an evil corporation'.

i just made the best mix tape.  i thought i was going to give it to someone
else but i like it too much.  track 1 is by jurassic 5 and track 2 is by
marvin gaye.  and it just gets better from there, if that's possible.  my
gorgeous friend sam propounded his latest theory to me last night, which was
that the world would be a happy place if everyone spent their evenings
making mix tapes for everyone else.  i'm not sure this quite works, but when
someone spends two weeks perfecting a tape, tailoring it especially for the
recipient (as sam does), you can't deny that love spreads, man.  of course,
sinister has been perpetuating this method of bonding for several years now.
i hope it continues to work in these... interesting times.

see ya, would quite like to be ya.

archel xxx

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From areservoirdog at xxx.com  Sat Feb  3 05:58:13 2001
From: areservoirdog at xxx.com (M. Timothy Meskers)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 00:58:13 -0500
Subject: Sinister: 12:42 AM, as suitable time as any for a first post.
Message-ID: <F173fTYSl1q4gtopWd7000001ec@hotmail.com>

Hello,

Having just returned from a diner with a small group of friends I read my 
Sinister digest as usual and was possessed with a strange sort of urge, to, 
well, post. So here.

I don't really know any of you on the list, save for a few. And I don't even 
know that few very well. I e-mailed a girl named Rachel cause I like 
"...Trail of Dead" and she sent back a pleasant reply. So thank you Rachel. 
Also a gentleman named Jonathan who sent me back a very detailed report on 
his B&S concert experience, which I found fascinating. Thanks most of all to 
Martin, for being so darned pleasant in #sinister. What a swell guy. 
(Apologies to any who I've e-mailed if you were unnerved, it wasn't my 
desire to discontent). But I find the whole lot of you an extremely 
interesting bunch.

Unfortunately lately on the list things seem to have gotten nasty and I'm 
honestly a bit disappointed. Whoever said we should all go for a walk had 
the right idea, and I'm sorry I didn't mark down your name. I'd pat you on 
the back right now, if you were here. I realize that lately the list seems 
to be filled with a lot of "this is my first post, here I am" sort of bits, 
which I think are nice. I never posted before cause I never had anything 
witty to say.

And I still don't. I'm just a kid. I have dark hair and I am fond of music, 
especially B&S. I work in a record store. I'd give you my demographics but 
I'm afraid I'd be administered a proper beating by the UKs. I'm in a garage 
band but if I wasn't in it I'm not so sure I'd like us. Someday I'll get 
round to posting a pic, maybe. A vegan boy took my picture on New Year's Eve 
with a digital camera and did fun things with it. I'm not too terribly 
interesting, really. I like writing. Some of you have a really unique style 
that I really admire. Like Pinefox. That's about it, really. Just wanted to 
say hi. I hope you all have a pleasant evening, or rather morning cause it's 
past twelve; and subsequently past my  bedtime.

Best wishes,

Timothy.

p.s.- Sorry if you read this hoping to find something intriguing and leaving 
unfulfilled. If I post again I'll try to be relevant.


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From brier at xxx.com  Sat Feb  3 10:40:48 2001
From: brier at xxx.com (Brier Random)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 02:40:48 -0800
Subject: Sinister: It catches my heart in its hands
Message-ID: <00f001c08dcd$c63ef240$0101a8c0@pavilion>

This is my first posthumous post.  That's right, i died sometime last week,
but i'll still try to remain part of the group.  They say you can only
become truly famous after you're dead, so i try not to be sad because now
it's gonna happen.  A thousand mourners line the streets, waving colored
tail-feathers at the funeral motorcade.  Their hero is back, coffin-sized.
My last words were something like: "Milos, I badly miscalculated the
counter-spin.  I have fallen from the altar of love!!"

What does Bukowski say about all this?
"Love is all right for those who can handle the psychic overload.  It's like
trying to carry a full garbage can on your back over a rushing river of
piss."

Okay then.  Since i failed to jump on the bandwagon when we were making
dirty versions of B&S song titles, here's my contribution:
"Ease Your Meat Into The She"

And if that wasn't content enough, i figure anything relating to Scotland
will qualify.  So:

TOP TEN PUNCHLINES TO SCOTTISH DIRTY JOKES:

10. It took me a fortnight to remove the thistles
9. I didn't know you could also get wool from them!
8. It's not a bagpipe, but don't stop playing
7. What made you think I was talking about golf?
6. I've heard of comin' through the rye-- but this is ridiculous!
5. Of course she's served millions-- she's a McDonald
4. Oh, so YOU'RE Wade Boggs
3. Care to shake hands with the Loch Ness monster?
2. Who's burning argyles?
1. She's in the distillery making Johnnie Walker Red

And today was so warm & sunny, it was truly like summer.  So i was riding my
Vespa around, singing "I Know Where The Summer Goes".  And nothing evokes
the feeling of summer like that song.  Try singing "when your underarm
smells and your kitchen looks like hell" on a beautiful hot day and you'll
see what i mean.  Even "if you're scraping a pot and your head is hot" does
it.  Amazing.

I guess i just miss everything i ever had.  Know what i mean?  Why can't
things stay the same?  I mean i REALLY MISS EVERYTHING I EVER HAD.  This
includes the bad too, but mostly the good.

Just living until you die is hard work.

Posthumously yours,
Brier

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From Nigel.R.Townshend at xxx.uk  Sat Feb  3 13:08:51 2001
From: Nigel.R.Townshend at xxx.uk (Nigel R. Townshend)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 13:08:51 +0000
Subject: Sinister: she let out of scream of Turkish Delight
Message-ID: <fc.005b8ff100ac6ea9005b8ff100ac6ea9.aca40f@amazon.shu.ac.uk>

Nigel Love stepped into the Belle and Sebastain acalerater and vanished... he woke to find himself
trapped in the body of Stuart Murdoch facing band members he did not know, Striving to write songs
that once went wrong hoping each chord he played would be the chord home.

seemed like a good idea at the time thank fully i'm back from my belle and sebatsain leap thanks to
Al and Ziggy. 

i feel a bit ill probaly as a result of drinking too much ale at fuzz club and too much apple vodka
source in offbeat which was only a pound! and then not sleeping. Ouch.

oh well enough of my whinging already. today i was going to go climbing in the peak district but
its horrible and murky outside so instead i ate some crumpets and drank some tea and yes felt twee,
although i watching wwf at the time which wasn't twee so i put on the field mice, which was nice. I
cant stop listeing to sparklehorse. i have lots of new records that i am negelecting i feel should
be spending time with them.

well some one sent me this story i hope its ok to post this story if not then i am sorry and it
won't happen again. its quite rude as well...

Mr Cadbury and Ms Rowntree went off for the weekend.
It was After Eight.
She was from Quality Street
He was a Fishermans Friend
On the way they stopped at a Yorkie Bar.
He had a Rum and Butter.
She had a Wine Gum.
He asked her name. She said Polo, Im the one with the hole.
(But Im the one with the Nuts he thought)
Then he touched her Milky Way.

They checked in and went straight to the bedroom.

Mr Cadbury turned out the light for a bit of Black Magic
It wasnt long before he slipped his hand into her Snickers and felt the
contrast of her Double Decker.Then he showed her his Curly Wurly.
But Ms Rowntree wasnt keen as she already had a few Jelly Babies,
So she let him take a trip down Bourneville Boulevard.

He was pleased as he always fancied a bit of Fudge nudging.
It was a Magic Moment as she let out of scream of Turkish Delight.
When he came out his Fun Sized Mars Bar felt a bit Crunchie.
She wanted more but he decided to take a Time Out.
However, he noticed her Pink Wafers looked very appetising.
So he did a Twirl and had a Picnic in her Sherbert.
At the same time he gave her a Gob Stopper!
Unfortunately Mr Cadbury had to go home to his wife Caramel.
Sadly, he was soon to discover he had caught V.D.
It turns out Ms Rowntree had a Box of Assorted Creams.
She really had been with All Sorts.

It was Bounty happen, someone playing Twix with her Buttons.
Especially with him having a thing like a Toblerone holding a Chocolate
Orange!!!


i dont know where it came from...

Nigel love
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From Histrianic at xxx.com  Sat Feb  3 17:53:36 2001
From: Histrianic at xxx.com (Histrianic at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 12:53:36 EST
Subject: Sinister: Inversely Proportional
Message-ID: <43.1030bbd6.27ad9fa0@aol.com>

Hey hey hey.  I haven't posted in a really long time, so I have decided to finally let my inner Sinisterine out and let the keyboard do the talking.  I am sitting around on Saturday morning in my pajamas and shorts, sort of hungry.  It's nearly one o'clock (in the afternoon) and I woke up about half an hour ago.  Ah, the joys of no saturday classes---I am usually up at seven o'clock getting ready for my dreadful history class and my not-so-dreadful Chinese class.  :-)  
So what is inversely proportional?  The quality of my Chinese class, apparently, but inversely proportional to what, I don't know.  Oh well.  
I gotta go downstairs and get my food.  I will write later.  Bye. 
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From mod4real at xxx.com  Sat Feb  3 18:49:31 2001
From: mod4real at xxx.com (Chan Toby)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:49:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Riding on a Tram is Fine
Message-ID: <20010203184931.38106.qmail@web9203.mail.yahoo.com>

Morning Mates

This is Hong Kong


Me n My friend Johnny went hung around friday nite/
saturday morning...He is English and I am local
HongKonger. 

The music is not good. Hard Trance, House... 
Johnny like to talk to stranger... and ask:

Where is the party tonite?

But, the wonderful things i met someone who saw
Velvet Underground LIVE!!!! (reunion) And she worked
in a record shop...etc.. She like BnS too...
But she does lines. 

I am still looking for a job and writing Japanese
ShowBiz things for a chessy lady mag in HK...

Apart from Black Label-drinking... I ride the
Tram from my home to a cheap shop with nice desert.

I can't get the Galaxie 500 box set in HK now.
But I bought two  studio albums (expect TODAY)
and one live album, overpriced...I love them so much.
And Bought Damon and Naomi's debut n' the latest one.
 I saw TODAY at HMV, but I bought Coldplay instead
(sales)...

Am I wrong?

My fave LP of BnS is "TBWTAS" now. Coz I like the
title track so much..

See Ya,

Toby C








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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Sun Feb  4 11:03:01 2001
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 12:03:01 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Cockatoo Wilson
Message-ID: <002001c08e9a$2fc7b9a0$ae69243e@itjfvkli>

Who had "69 Love Songs" first? Why do poeple laugh at Magnetic Fields gigs?
Why have some people stopped liking B&S? Just who is the 5 o'clock hero?
These and other questions are answered in an article provocatively entitled
"The Magnetic Fields vs Belle and Sebastian" on the consistently excellent
Tangents website:
http://www.tangents.co.uk
It's a bit of a swizz, because there's only one paragraph about B&S before
the writer gets his tongue right up the entire MF troupe's collective
backside, but some of you might like it. Some of you might even agree with
it. I think it's atrocious. What do you think? It's a debate.

I look forward to Stuart's rectorial campaign. Keep us posted. Is he an
independent? What's he for? What's he against? Is he going to have a public
debate with Alisdair Gray?

Hefner for Agriculture and Fisheries Minister!

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 +-+             "Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa"              +-+
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From pinefox1 at xxx.com  Sun Feb  4 14:53:09 2001
From: pinefox1 at xxx.com (P F)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 06:53:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: a plastic bag, standing at the lights
Message-ID: <20010204145309.20546.qmail@web5301.mail.yahoo.com>


It's hotter than Emily Dickinson. How hot is that?

Out in Stevenage, it's raining. That's just a guess,
you understand. The old posters and football
magazines. A dusty shelf yields only a yellowing piece
of David Stubbs. *By* David Stubbs, that's the one.
There ought to be towns. There ought to be
photographs.

Mooro is the only person I know with a double-sided
B&S carrier bag. It's guid. That's the 'good'
equivalent of 'grate'.

Carsmile Steve seems to be getting younger as time
passes.

Rumours flitted that Kevan Cooke was writing to the
list under an alter ego. Yes, that one. See, Kevan,
we've got your number now.

(It's 0423-654-876.)

I have been listening to Cyndi Lauper. I like the line
on 'Girls... Fun': 'Oh, mother dear, we're not the
fortunate ones'. That could just about be Morrissey.

I like the melodic context and phrasing of the
apparently unremarkable line 'I think about you when
the night is cold and dark', also.

Tim Hopkins claims to have washed up for something
close to a living. I believe him. But I still think he
should take a tad more seriously my views on washing
up. I think that this activity is often performed
surprisingly poorly. That reminds me: there is a whole
strand of thinking to be done re. 'washing-up pop':
eg. Stevie T and 69 Love Songs / PF and Tigermilk,
etc. I wonder if anyone has anything to say about it?

Nobody seemed to notice, on Friday, that James Joyce
would have turned 119 if he'd still been alive.

If it's anyone's birthday, happy birthday. It is? Cor,
that was lucky.

After a draw with Boro and only a 1-0 reverse at Old
Trafford, I reckon Everton are on the way back. Up, I
mean. To future success, and so on.

The geezer Miller kept his end up with the usual
delightful knockabout stuff:

>>> I think it's atrocious. What do you think? It's a
debate.

I read the article, and felt that its good points were
simple. I agreed with much of the substance, didn't
care much for the style.

I have never liked Joy Division or Happy Mondays: but
I find myself surprisingly excited at the prospect of
TWENTY-FOUR HOUR PARTY PEOPLE. No?

It's all about form. The Eiffel Tower. Girders. That
sort of thing.


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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Sun Feb  4 16:23:48 2001
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 16:23:48 -0000
Subject: Sinister: They've Repainted the Railings
Message-ID: <000401c08ec7$193ae4a0$a16e01d5@default>

Hi All,

(or at least the 3 people reading this today)


It was washing up that got me into all this Belle and Sebastian nonsense in
the first place, as I used to listen to Mark'n'Lard's Graveyard Shift up to
the edges of my marigolds in the suds back in '96, yelling at Sally to tell
me "Who are this band again?" as they played The State I Am In or somesuch.

Ahhh.

Belle and Sebastian/On the radio/Playing songs for parents.


Stevenage, oh town of cycle tracks and my birth. Zooming through the
underpasses swerving past scared early morning shoppers on the way to work
at the Lister Hospital. Walking the flying bridge from the railway station
through the Leisure Centre to the pedestrian only shopping precinct with
futuristic clock tower, cars flying underneath like some torrent in the St
Gothard pass. Cycling again, this time a demented 3 a.m. ride to the
Maternity Hospital in Hitchin, so as not to miss the birth of second child.

New Town, good songs.


I think the Eiffel Tower is called that: with a definite article, implying
something singular. One is invited to view it as a unified structure, albeit
definitely composed of 18,000 metal sections & 2.5 million rivets. It is not
called "12,000 girders".

I do think however, that an album calling itself "69 Love Songs" invites the
listener to regard it as a project composed of separate elements that should
be able to pass scrutiny on an individual basis. Indeed, that may be the
only way to examine it, for if viewed as single piece of architecture it
undoubtedly collapses.

Paul Verlaine used to take detours to avoid seeing the Eiffel Tower, once
describing it as absolutely fucking awful.


Peter: am I blind, because apart from not being able to see the Emperor's
new clothes, I couldn't find out who the 5 o'clock hero was in the Duke of
Harangue's piece?

I also had to re-read your last post a few times as you followed up tongues
up backsides with Struan's "rectorial campaign", & you had me going for a
while.


Happy Birthday to any lovely people that have one today.


Love,

David Moore
Chelmsford, UK

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From sleeka at xxx.com  Sun Feb  4 22:32:28 2001
From: sleeka at xxx.com (sleeka at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:32:28 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Rectal complications when Norman pulls out surprisingly early
Message-ID: <3a7dd87c.6825.0@btinternet.com>

This is from 
http://www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,10
04,15664,00.html
 
Yours always,
Chris
www.sleekasounds.com
 
 
NORMAN CONQUEST CALLED OFF 


NORMAN BLAKE from TEENAGE FANCLUB has stood down 
from the nominations for Rector of GLASGOW 
UNIVERSITY to make way for BELLE AND SEBASTIAN 
frontman STUART MURDOCH. 

University student Steven Findlay had nominated Blake, 
and in accordance with Rectorial Election rules, he had 
accepted the nomination. However, when he found out 
yesterday (February 1) that Stuart was also among the 
candidates, he stood down. 

Blake told NME.COM: "Stuart's a friend of mine and I 
pulled out when I heard he was up for it. It's daft to 
have two indie-rockers go for the same post. Stuart 
went to Glasgow Uni and Belle And Sebastian did the 
video for 'Legal Man' [their Number 15 hit from last 
year] there." 

He reiterated that there is no rivalry between the two 
bands, with B&S member Chris Geddes having spent two 
weeks on tour with Teenage Fanclub in Japan recently, 
and said he planned to throw his weight behind Stuart's 
bid to become Rector. 

Murdoch has dropped out of Glasgow University three 
times, and it was thought to be the support of Belle And 
Sebastian fans studying at the Uni that helped the band 
win their Brit award for Best Newcomer two years ago. 

Steven Findlay added: "I feel that this amazing display 
of West of Scotland camaraderie proves what a kind and 
generous person Norman is and shows what a brilliant 
rector he would have been." 

Murdoch will face competition from stand-up comedian 
and actress Karen Dunbar, comedian Greg Hemphill - 
both of whom appear on the BBCTV series 'Chewing The 
Fat' and author and artist Alasdair Gray. 

The elections take place on February 28, with more than 
15,000 students eligible to vote. The new Rector will 
serve three years and is expected to attend seven 
council meetings per year. Previous rectors 
include 'EastEnders' star Ross Kemp, who resigned after 
just two years, due to pressure of work, actor Richard 
Wilson, TV presenter Johnny Ball, singer Pat Kane and 
Winnie Mandela.


 

 
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From showmemagic at xxx.com  Sun Feb  4 22:51:52 2001
From: showmemagic at xxx.com (Joanna)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:51:52 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Talk to the hand... ( + Trembling Blue Stars)
References: <20010204145309.20546.qmail@web5301.mail.yahoo.com>
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Hello everybodyyyyyyy!!!!!!!

To be honest I really havent been reading the list over the last month,
since I moved back home. Everything was grate and I was reading each one
carefully everyday when I was in London and I didnt have home internet
access, everything was done at "EasyEverything".... How I loved that place.
And I never did get my damn free coffee after collecting the coloured stamps
on that card for so long...

But now i am in sunny ol' Milton Keynes, and I am as busy as a bumble bee
and i have my own pooter and i am on a pooter all day long at work, yet i
still never get time to read my sinister letter's. :(

So, the point of all that was this may have already been mentioned,
Iwouldn't know:
The Trembling Blue Stars are playing a free gig at the Notting Hill Art Club
this Saturday. Maybe see some of you there??!! :)

Lot's of Love to all of you,

Joey
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From zutroy at xxx.org  Mon Feb  5 03:41:20 2001
From: zutroy at xxx.org (kerry)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:41:20 -0600
Subject: Sinister: god is what i make of him
Message-ID: <p05001900b6a3c9fc5fd5@[63.50.15.23]>

i know i just recently posted to sinister, but i've been feeling all 
belle and sebastian-y lately. some of you may know of peet's coffee, 
and if you do then you probably know that peet's sells a blend called 
major dickason's. well, we were brewing the major all day today, so 
of course i spent most of my time humming "me and the major," because 
how could i not? then i came home and i've been listening to b&s 
practically nonstop since. i realized how much i like twattybus, i 
think i'd forgotten, shelved it away with some distant memories. i 
put it on, and ". . . brilliant career" starts up, and i'm lost in 
the music, mesmerized by it. how could i forget this? i know and 
accept that sinister is and probably always be my favorite album, but 
damn this one's good. i know you all know this, because you wouldn't 
be on this list if you didn't.
now here's a problem: i just don't feel the same way about FYHCYWLAP. 
i've tried and i've tried, but it just doesn't inspire a whole lot of 
emotion the way just about every other recording does. sure, there 
are a few songs that i've connected to (the chalet lines, nice day 
for a sulk, i fought in a war, women's realm), but none of those are 
particularly strong or deep connections -- i just think they're good 
songs, and i like to listen to them. don't get me wrong, i like the 
album, they're all good songs. they just don't bring out any feelings 
for me. does this make me a bad person? i can listen to simple things 
halfway through and be in tears, and then i can listen to this entire 
album and not feel a single thing. (and if you're wondering why 
simple things would make me cry, to be honest i'm not really sure).
i discovered tonight that the pictures from explodingdog and 
1000robots make GRATE cover art images in my mp3 player (audion). i 
know what the albums look like, i think it's more interesting to look 
at a different picture that shares some of the same qualities as the 
music. needless to say, based on the way i've been feeling today, 
i've done up all the b&s albums. i find myself having way too much 
fun with sam brown's little creations at explodingdog.com and 
1000robots.com (and if you haven't been to either of these sites, you 
really ought to.) i've even sent him titles, made nifty desktop 
pictures (with a little added depth and dimension, courtesy of adobe 
photoshop), "about this mac" replacements, greeting cards, anything i 
can think of, out of his pictures. i even carry a few around with me 
on my palmpilot. there's nothing like being in a crappy mood and 
looking at "cheer up," "all my favorite people live in this box that 
i look at every day," "making cats," and "what does god say." hmmmmm.
i really should be studying now. <-- why does it seem like just about 
1/2 of all the posts to sinister contain this or a similar phrase? am 
i crazy for thinking this?
back on the music front, i've recently discovered that i can't listen 
to palace music "lost blues" without thinking about driving up route 
63 to new hampshire, which is what i used to do every other saturday 
when i was at college in western massachusetts. but now i'm back in 
chicago, a thousand miles away from route 63, and i miss it so much. 
in fact, i miss it so much that when i finish with the med tech 
program i'm in now, i'm probably going to move back there. i'm a 
little scared about that idea, but it's like a screwdriver in my 
chest whenever i think about my life out east, i miss it so much. i 
miss my grocery store, my video rental store, my kmart, and my 
biweekly trip to new hampshire. i used to put on "lost blues" about 5 
miles outside of northfield mass, turn the volume way up, and sing at 
the top of my lungs, off key, cracked and broken, and fall in love 
with the scenery, the 300 year old cemetaries, the hills, the farms, 
and the burly guys in pickup trucks. then, when the song finished, 
i'd put it right back on again, and repeat the process. so, you see 
my problem. i love that song, but i'm nowhere near new hampshire, 
northfield mass, or any of it. so now what? you may be wondering why 
this wasn't a problem before. well, it was. so i just didn't listen 
to it much. in fact, i barely listened to a lot of my favorite music 
because i had trouble dealing with the memories and activities 
associated. i can't really listen to the jesus and mary chain "stoned 
and dethroned," because that was the album i listened to on the trip 
home from new hampshire. each and every time, with a few exceptions. 
it's "going home" music. it's an album i listened to driving back to 
chicago from massachusetts, from michigan to chicago, wisconsin to 
chicago. i think for once i'd like to hear it going to a new home, 
from chicago to somewhere else. i'm not saying it's the only thing i 
listened to on those trips, it's just that it was the defining peice 
of music on those trips. it set the mood. and, oddly enough, i didn't 
listen to it on the way there, just the way home.
i think that's all i have to say. i really just meant to post about 
belle and sebastian. who would have thought i'd end up talking about 
long car trips and my own weird neuroses. for the record, the "this 
is just a modern rock song" EP reminds me of driving through new 
york, to massachusetts, from philadelphia. hm.
now i need to walk my dog. have a good night, everyone.
-kerry
-- 

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                                 --built to spill, "kicked it in the sun"
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 +-+       "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper        +-+
 +-+   "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000   +-+
 +-+       "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named       +-+
 +-+           Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000           +-+
 +-+             "Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa"              +-+
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+


From mark_e_hester at xxx.com  Mon Feb  5 13:25:09 2001
From: mark_e_hester at xxx.com (Mark Hester)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:25:09 -0000
Subject: Sinister: With the cars and the girls, it's a glamorous world
Message-ID: <F192ZuNY1SWoBDyseVw00005837@hotmail.com>

Hello everyone,
Someone was making a film in my road on Saturday.  There were lots of people 
dotted down the road, all wearing eyepatches.  I would have hung around to 
find out more, but I was in a hurry to get to Oxford station to meet some 
friends for a ramble around rural Oxfordshire, which was very, very muddy, 
as is now evidenced by the half a field on the soles of my poor battered 
reeboks.

What does the Rector of a Scottish uni do?  Is (s)he like the Chancellor of 
an English one?  I was quite disappointed that at my graduation ceremony in 
Bristol my degree was granted to me by the *Vice* Chancellor - monkeys & 
organ grinders come to mind (oh dear, too many jokes).  The VC in question 
(a he) used to wear quite a lot of make-up at the ceremony, which was not a 
pretty sight.

Pinefox - I love your posts.  Have we met?  If so you couldn't have 
introduced yourself as Pinefox.  I *do* like Joy Division as it happens, and 
like you I'm looking forward to the 24hr Party People movie, although the 
casting of Steve Coogan as Anthony H. Wilson is just too bizarre....

NME are raving about the Strokes...well they would, wouldn't they?  I saw 
them on Friday and didn't think they were up to much.  Not quite sure about 
the V.U. influence - I didn't spot it.  Too much posing and not enough 
musical effort and it is HARDLY A GOOD IDEA to harangue the crowd for an 
insufficiently enthusiastic welcome.....

January was a real gig-fest and February looks like it's going to be more of 
the same.  Trembling Blue Stars and the Clientele on Saturday, which I'm 
really looking forward to.....Clientele's album is the only thing I have 
ever bought online, incidentally.  Consulting my newly acquired copy of 
Oxford's music rag "Nightshift" I learn that we have Arab Strap and Grand 
Drive to look forward to, as well as a band called the Afternoons who, we 
are told, are b&s influenced, so I'll have to go to find out how much.....

The other notable feature of this month's nightshift was a review of a demo 
by my colleague Jamie's band, Vehicle Derek.  Jamie has been out of the 
office today on a training course, so there couldn't be a better time for 
passing said music rag from desk to desk, so everyone can read how Vehicle 
Derek are "absolute mindless trash" which "sounds far more like the true 
spirit of punk than the polished turd that is Blink 182".

mark.
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 +-+             "Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa"              +-+
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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Mon Feb  5 14:24:23 2001
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:24:23 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: Dollars emblazoned in wild rhinestone hearts and Melody Maker died.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0102051414190.4116-100000@granby.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>



Hello all:


Is a mmmm respectable institution as 'The Independent' participating in
that worlwide media effort to bring PF-PM snogging to reality? The 70s Who
at the front of its Sunday Review issue three weeks later Stephen Merritt
interviewed the Love Song in Fadoesque outfit.The requiem for Sex,Drugs
and Rock'n Roll personified in Keith Moon's grandieuse shenanigans looked
a not that subtle contribution to alleviate tensions on both sides of our
Sinister rocky Cantabric sea.

One SM for a gone SM who quits us to honour with his presence and
presidence graduation ceremonies.Future Bible heroism to do for Bible
Studies with no students registered for the course.?.


Arantxa



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 +-+       "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper        +-+
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 +-+           Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000           +-+
 +-+             "Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa"              +-+
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From tweebunny at xxx.uk  Mon Feb  5 16:11:16 2001
From: tweebunny at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?The=20Twee=20Bunny?=)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:11:16 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: Hey Hey
Message-ID: <20010205161116.74826.qmail@web10309.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all.

I'm now set-up reasonably happily in North-East
England, where the booze flows nicely and the women
flow even more. Well, they did for me. I've had more
sex in the last few weeks than I have for my entire
life. Which is always nice. You know us rabbits.
Apparantly my "Edinburgh Accent" goes down nicely too.
Always nice to have your home appreciated, even when
they get it wrong.

I hear wee Stu M is going to be rector for Glasgow
Uni. That's pretty cool - whsh I could be there to see
his opening speech...

"Hi. Err. Um. Hi."

*Stuart Murdoch leaves the building to rapturous
applause*

I will probably come back up for a quick break from
the hectic world of IT Solutions for that. Mr N***
G*** (me) is a powerful figure in his office. Who
knows, I may even make management soon. I just need to
go a little more into C++ to qualify. Yay!

Of course I'll be keeping up with Sinister, but I
won't be posting as often because I am *really* busy.
It's a far cry from fucking about completely pissed on
the streets of Glasgow throwing up on other completely
pissed people. I feel homesick already...

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 +-+       "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper        +-+
 +-+   "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000   +-+
 +-+       "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named       +-+
 +-+           Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000           +-+
 +-+             "Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa"              +-+
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+


From oooon at xxx.com  Mon Feb  5 17:53:32 2001
From: oooon at xxx.com (oooon)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 00:53:32 +0700
Subject: Sinister: Can't Touch This
Message-ID: <3A7EE89C.CEC86E5C@cscoms.com>

Whatever song that is, it is really really bad.  so bad i can't get
it out of my head!  i think many of you must have seen it,
the Can't touch this song but the vdo was like that bums bit
from .....Harry Enfield??.  my niece had a giggling fit
when she saw it so i couldn't change channel.  Pair has
unspeakable taste in music and boy.  right now, she has
a thing for this Thai boyband singer named Andy.  mention
this name she will become awfully shy, turning round and
round a few times and run to the corner, hitting people
along the way.  she will be two years old this month.
i wish it is fifteen she will be.  if only to make her easier
to keep.

if you start to wonder why i talk about my niece.  it doesn't
have anything to do with what i'm writing actually.  i just
want to say 'Happy New Year" to you all.   i may or
may not have read all the posts but i hope everyone
have good new year times.  both western and chinese.
my new year was nice.  i have good fun.  so good that
i gained 4 kilograms.  the first time i saw this extra 4
on the weighter i thought the weighter was broke
and cruelly lying.  but sadly it wasn't.  the reason
is definitely my hand.  you know those horror films
when hand does things on its own willing?  it was
a bit like that.  it started with my right hand, just little
twitching and jumping at first.   then it became more
active.  reaching out to foods even when i tell it not to.
its favourite thing is chocolate fudge cake.  the one
with thick soft dark chocolate on top.  you know how
seductive they are, especially as a whole round shiny one.
i believe the spark was from this shampoo.  i had my hair
red-ish for while and got a bit bored.  so i tried my mother's
Blackshine shampoo.  if you have it in your country you'll
know what i am saying now.  if not, this shampoo helps
turn your hair black.   and when you pour it into your hand,
it's just like you're squeezing dark shiny creamy liquid
chocolate.  how nice is that!

however, i'm happy that this horror hand is more often
that not under control now.  after i've consumed enough
food to last me a few months.  seeing from the fact that
i have not feel hungry for over a week.   most of my clothes
hurt my waist, or the area that used to be my waist.  so
it is urgent issue to deal with.  either go buy new bigger
clothes or get my waist back.  a wise person says
the road to hell is the easy one.  there's no truer spoken,
is there?

actually, there might be.  how about "Storage can set
you free"?.  i'm thinking that this year shall be my good
health and storage year.   i have come up with a plan.
step one is taking photo of all my clothes and accessories
and make a book.  it will save a lot time trying to decide
what to wear, digging through my wardrobe and various
cabinets, cupboards, boxes, bags, etc. to find them.
location, therefore, must be stated clearly.  thus more time
to sleep, leading to better health.  i of course steal this idea
from someone else.  so feel free to steal it further.  it's such
a good thing to do, wouldn't you think it nice if everyone
has our own book of clothes to flaunt.  a beautiful piece
of cloth is no less an art than a beautiful painting.  even
more so if you ask me.  i think Mr. Miller did.  i think Mr.Miller
also want some Thai news too.  the biggest news is probably
the new government.  apparently, we are gonna have
a new prime minister on Valentine day.  we just had
big election last month.  not that i knew anything about it,
i was off to the island !YAY!  was a bit ashamed when
the beach people asked how i was going to vote being
there.  but the beach was so nice and breezy and food
was great, etc.  anyway, this new PM is a big business man,
owns just about every other things.   people are seriously
hoping that he can do something to help the economy crisis
so his party had got landslides victory.  so finger crossed that
things will really get better.  it's been sooooo bad and sad
here for so long.

i can't think of any good news off my head.  my hair is
in an in-between state.  i'm trying to have it longer.  now
it just about covering my neck and falling about on my
face.  how annoying.  it's hard to keep good news in
your head when your hair is in such mess.  coincidently,
this year, chinese year i mean, my luck is not so good.
my mother has acquire me a sacred thing (talisman?)
to protect and help my luck.  each birth year has different
symbol. guess what mine is!  four turtles embracing fountain!
i was sooooooo pleased :))

good night,
oon xxx

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From snowyminor at xxx.com  Mon Feb  5 18:49:18 2001
From: snowyminor at xxx.com (Michelle R.)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:49:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Hartly's Monsters
Message-ID: <20010205184918.1388.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com>

hello there! 
  How exciting, my first post! ah well anyway. I found
something I thought you all might find interesting
regarding Hal Hartly's new project: 
  http://us.imdb.com/Title?0248190
I also heard it's a take on Beauty and the Beast, but
that's pretty obvious. The film is slated for a fall
release. Who knows if this is THE film that B&S are
working on, but I think it adds up. In any case, it
seems interesting enough. Although the film looks
dark(check out the 2 stills they have under "photos")
but not really funny. Sarah Polley's in this, and
she's a pretty good actress. 
  Well I've tried to get into #sinister for a while
now with no success. I also tried getting to it via
the Spanish site link, with the same results. If
anyone knows a better way please tell me.

Michelle

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Les assasins assassinent. Les amoureux s'aiment."
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From kgirton at xxx.com  Mon Feb  5 19:07:39 2001
From: kgirton at xxx.com (Kim)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:07:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Mediocre Rhetoric (Preferred Platform: The Tire Swing)
Message-ID: <383563676.981400059875.JavaMail.root@web176-ec>

Hello all...
   Been a while since I last posted, so most of you probably have never heard/read any of my ramblings until now... Which could put you at an advantage in that you'll go into this without a preconcieved bias, be it for or against whatever happens to be my inconsequential opinion at any given moment.  Though I think, theoretically, that wandering into the minds of others without a single bias is how all Sinister postings should be read, but then again... that's why there's two completely different definitions for "theory" and "reality."
   So my whole point in posting this time, as my life is completely boring and talking about it is sure to help my fellow twee isomniacs find the peace they're looking for, is to respond to the article recently alluded to: you know, the "Magnetic Fields VS. Belle and Sebastian" article.  The power of freedom of speech once again allows someone to proverbially stain the hearts of others who may find an overly-self-righteous assertation about the state of ANYTHING to be a bit disturbing. 
   Don't get me wrong - I'm certainly not AGAINST the freedom of speech, nor do I oppose everyone's right to use it at their convenience. I simply harbor an irritatingly large pet peeve for people who assume they are absolutely right and state opinions as though they are fact.
   To bring it a little closer to something specific, I am referring to the position taken in the article that pop is not and cannot be democratic.  One simple question: "Said who?"  Since when are there set rules for the making of pop?  Isn't part of the joy of experiencing our feeble world of indie pop the fact that there are no rules or guidelines?  I don't think even Stephen Merritt would argue with that.  I own and adore "69 Love Songs."  But I wouldn't place it above Belle & Sebastian according to musical merit simply because Stuart Murdoch refuses to take some sort of "leader of the pack" musical high ground.  And I'd venture to say that it's possible Stephen Merritt doesn't assume that his work is more acceptable "pop" than B&S's simply because most of his work involves other musicians but is largely organized around and associated with the name "Stephen Merritt."  Some musicians prefer that method; others don't.  Why does this dichotomy have to set boundaries?  
   From where I stand, it seems as though the only merit in asserting a "leader" in any given pop group would be to provide the media with one specific name to which to refer in all their various rantings and ravings, instead of having to actually list all musicians involved.  Which really isn't much of a merit other than it's a little less hard on the fingertips of those who have to write the articles.
   Alisdair is more than welcome to his opinion.  I simply wish he'd state it as such, rather than asserting that *everyone KNOWS pop cannot be democratic*.  
  That being said, I want to make sure I mention that this is simply my opinion, and if anyone thinks I'm completely off the mark, more power to you.  I'm open to suggestions and the tweaking of my stance on things in general.  After all, this list wouldn't be nearly as entertaining or though-provoking if we all agreed on everything.
  Thanks for your time, Sini's.  This list is the best, and so are all of you.  P.S. Another special thanks to Jules for the transatlantic post. :)  It's lovely to have such a wonderful extended family.
  Best wishes to everyone, and I'll see you around the playground.  It's safe to assume I'm the one on the big multi-slide, tire-netted, Wooden-Fort (with the firepole escape route) contraption, gripping the rusty and askew Steering-Wheel-Going-Nowhere and making engine sounds...
  Hugs to everyone, unless you don't like invasion of your personal space, in which case I extend a friendly hand for shaking - Kim (KGirton at email.com)

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From jasonandreas at xxx.com  Mon Feb  5 19:23:28 2001
From: jasonandreas at xxx.com (Jason Andreas)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:23:28 -0000
Subject: Sinister: White Fluffy Snow
Message-ID: <004401c08fa9$20d2ba20$e66501d5@oemcomputer>

Hi everyone.

It's *snowing*

Damn.

I don't like snow - it gets in your eyes and up your nose and generally
freezes your ass off, to put it lightly.

I'm currently snuggled up in a big duvet, typing with only my head and hands
outside of the covers. And I'm still cold. Typical.

Annoying thing was, the snow made me really late for work, but Glasgow
actually had bugger-all snow lying, so my bosses only half-believed me that
Cumbernauld was snowed-in. Assholes :)

I now have a cuddly Meowth and Charmander that I won from a grabby machine.
They're keeping ET and the purple gorilla (thanks Jeannie) company. Which is
nice.

I read in The Twee Bunny's post that Stuart Murdoch is going to be the
Rector for Glasgow U. What does a rector actually *do?* I've never been to
uni, so I don't have much experience on the matter. Anyone wanna give me a
brief rundown off-list?

Heh heh. The man on the news just asked the correspondant "You got one man
off, think you can get another one off?" Which was amusing to my dirty mind,
but probably to no-one elses at all. <grin>

Hi to David Strange, by the way. Sorry I wasn't very talkative when you were
in Glasgow - I'll do better next time. Promise.

I'm going to watch WWF videos (my friend tapes RAW and Smackdown! from Sky
for me) now, so I'll see you in two shakes of a bodyslam!

- Jase (groovy)

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Mon Feb  5 19:32:24 2001
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:32:24 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Do You Have To Stop Posting To Start Living?
Message-ID: <001a01c08faa$7a5cfaa0$3e62253e@itjfvkli>

Thank you, Ooooon, for that Thai news. It strikes me you're really out of
touch. I think MC Hammer is your man.

I was in my local headstore today and they had the 70s WHO on, Squeze Box
followed by WHO Are You. I think it was some kind of compilation, they
switched it off when Moon died. I love the introduction to WHO Are You, it's
perfect. Must get the album some time. That gives a new meaning to "making a
mental note" to do something.

The rector at Glasgow University doesn't actually have to do very much if
they don't want to. Hence Winnie Mandela. I voted for Winnie Mandela. Her
extra-curricular activities hadn't come to light at the time. I think she
was the first showbiz star to be elected, opening the floodgates for Pat
Kane from Hue and Cry, and Victor Meldrew. I don't know who Ross Kemp is.
Pat Kane quickly set to work getting seen with people in wheelchairs, then
disappeared. I stuck two fingers up at him once. When he wasn't looking.
Rectors don't have anything to do with graduation ceremonies.

What I most object to (or disagree with) in Duke's article is his belief
that Pop isn't democratic. A quick look at History, or even Pop History,
will show that people who believe that Pop isn't democratic are naturally
wrong. And to wish for a non-democratic Belle and Sebastian is to wish for
something else entirely. So ner.

I was reading Record Collector in my local headstore and there's a new
deluxe Showaddywaddy reissue out. I don't know if it's a Mike Hurst
production though. They were keeping mum about that. Apparently
Showaddywaddy have "legions of fans". They should go to Malcolm "The Duke"
Allured's pub.

Peter


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From Something.Pretty at xxx.com  Tue Feb  6 04:56:45 2001
From: Something.Pretty at xxx.com (Rachel Playforth)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:56:45 -0800
Subject: Sinister: broken household appliance, national forest
Message-ID: <002501c09003$2d501ae0$b18401d5@aqlzosqt>

oops, i did it again.  couldn't resist though - somehow grandaddy manage to
provide aptly surreal sinister post titles without even trying.

well, i now have a tattoo.  it hardly hurt at all.  really.  and i'm
normally quite wussy.  took pleasure in torturing the needle-phobic friends
later though.  and stuart's face looks quite nice there peeping out from my
cleavage... NOT REALLY :)  i'm not that much of a fan/that stupid.  my
housemate's friend got 'the shamen' tattooed on her ankle when she was 16...
really timeless, that.  i wasn't completely brave beforehand, i must admit,
and the thrash metal background music didn't help my anxiety.  i then got
very jumpy at a mysterious roaring/buzzing/drilling sound from the next
room.  'what are they doing in there?' i whispered nervously to moral
support nicola.  'that's a vacuum cleaner, rachel'.  ah.

meanwhile, i have discovered something distressing: i *know* that somewhere
in the house i have a tape with 'loneliness of the...' on it.  i distinctly
remember taping it, though from what is a slight mystery and did make me
wonder for a second if i had imagined the whole thing.  i certainly can't
find the tape anywhere, and i've checked all those 'end of tape' spaces that
i usually use to tape stuff off the radio.  i remember seeing it on the
tube, but i have definitely heard and recorded it since.  can someone at
least confirm that it was played on radio 1 sometime during last year, so i
can renew my search knowing that i'm not mad?  i want it!

i'm glad that signor miller provided us with the correct adjective
pertaining to 'rector', as i tried to put the stuff about tongues in arses
and people throwing their weight behind other people out of my pure little
mind.  (though my sister would have me think that now i've got a tattoo i am
forever sullied anyway - this from the girl who pierced her own nose.  i
don't *get* teenagers.  and that makes me a bad b&s fan, obviously, but
never mind.)

now i have to go and reply to one of those emails which should really have
been the start of a serious face to face conversation, but both the
protagonists are too cowardly, lazy and evasive to make it one.  the curse
of the modern interweb.

luv archel xxx

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From mon_the_delgods at xxx.com  Tue Feb  6 00:25:10 2001
From: mon_the_delgods at xxx.com (sarah potatoe)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 00:25:10 -0000
Subject: Sinister: brian souter : likes men
Message-ID: <F137zDskqC5EtrUVYKk00004f8c@hotmail.com>

hello sinister! im baaaaaaack! well do you remember me? no you wont because 
i used to be someone else but i'll bask in my animosity for the next few 
minutes. yay.

damn s*** and hell i dont know what to say.

well im in easy everything again (again, again!) and im beginning to realise 
that my pound would have been much better spent on a mars bar or a cheap 
cottage pie if i could find a tescos or on the homeless. the smell of hot 
chocolate causes my stomach to grrrr at me!

twas nice to come back to halls today to find they actually were serving 
cottage PIE! this will probably be a recurring theme throughout this post im 
afraid.

since i was last here i went and got meself a maaan. oh yeah he's on here 
isnt he.. *WAVES TO MR INDESISIVE AT THE BACK THERE!* hehe only kidding paul 
:o* .

so i reckon all the good thoughts must come with angst as my creative drive 
has once again run dry! :(

well poo, i suppose i only i came here to make my mark 2 debut. jesus i 
better hurry up and come up with some content for y'all. i think i just 
dreamt about isabelle campbell. im not sure as it was one of those early 
evening sleeps where reality and dreams tend to blur somewhat. graham coxon 
, what a guy. almost a delGOD that one!

love and well, cottage pie , people

sarah potatoe, with an e you understand .. xxxx

and remember, even brian souter masturbates from time to time


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From ryanbthat at xxx.com  Tue Feb  6 01:28:17 2001
From: ryanbthat at xxx.com (Rinaldo Thatchez)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:28:17 -0800
Subject: Sinister: A man who drinks like that and does not eat is going to die
Message-ID: <LAW2-F48HGS7jIgGIhN00005122@hotmail.com>

Response to subject line: a wistful, "When?"

I have got to start treating myself better, sinisterites. Either that or 
stop treating myself at all good ever. This morning there was no time for 
breakfast before the Monday morning staff meeting so I settled for a 
cigarette and vitamins. Barely got through the meeting and promptly went to 
throw up my vitamins (the entire contents of my stomach save for a bit of 
cran juice).

Am I grossing you out? Sorry, but it was particularly demoralizing when I 
tried to do what I could for this useless and ungrateful body and my efforts 
were rejected, in a manner both violent  and injurious to my dignity. 
Doesn't it understand that without me it would never touch any of its fleshy 
counterparts, never dance, never feel that fuzzy, jelly drunkennes with 
which I so often and generously lavish it?

Fuck it, it's war. My organs don't stand a chance. Not much content there 
but that's my version of shouting it from the rooftops.

Sorry again, I seem to have started my story with the epilogue.  I was going 
to tell you all about (well, not ALL) the weekend that brought me to this 
point. But, in an effort to not be a briefer, less rambling poster, an 
underrated virtue I think, I'll save it for later this week.

In the interest of content though, I will tell you one thing about this 
weekend: I delivered a mix tape to a girl that contained "A Century of 
Fakers", a fave of mine, but I think she took it personally. Damned 
unintended messages.

Rinaldo

p.s. can't take credit for subject line or response, that honor  belongs to 
Mr. Mel Brooks, auteur of Blazing Saddles.
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 +-+       "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named       +-+
 +-+           Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000           +-+
 +-+             "Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa"              +-+
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From ruvi at xxx.com  Tue Feb  6 02:13:12 2001
From: ruvi at xxx.com (Ruvi Simmons)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 02:13:12 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Please forgive me, I know not what I do, Please forgive me, I can't stop loving you - Bryan Adams.
Message-ID: <003301c08fe2$5e28ffe0$6700000a@infotrek.co.uk>

I have, since last writing, been accumulating, hoarding like a tired,
shivering squirrel, subject matter to include in this epistle. I would like
to declare, conclusively and without doubt, that it is going to be profound,
but I fear I would be lying. I suppose I could write about the state of
modern art, the vacuity of social interactions, or any number of other
subjects that have recently been pressing on my mind, but I am not inclined
to do so in the depths of this particular night, which is, to me, like a
rather pleasant womb of tranquility, when I can reside safe in the knowledge
that, all around me, watching, unkind eyes are slumbering with the
peacefulness of the thoughtless.

What I am inclined to write about, however, is pornography. More
specifically, just to assure any blushing virgins who may read that dread
word that I am not going to be particularly smutty, I want to write about
phone sex ads. I was flicking through a copy of Time Out earlier in the week
when I came to the Classified section. Now, I may well be remembering things
through the wistful, rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia, but I recall there
was time when phone sex ads were really rather brilliant, or at least they
were to a young boy such as I once was. They used to contain a girl in
startlingly few clothes and a wonderful, unforgettable epithet such as (and
here I am partly working from memory, partly from imagination) "I'm moist
and waiting for you" or, even more superbly, "I've just wet myself". Imagine
the effect this had on a pre-pubescent boy! They were shocking, bewildering,
and utterly fantastic. I used to gaze in wonder at these adverts, which
could be found in virtually any magazine, hoarding their shameless
proclamations in the murkier depths of my mind. Going back to the Time Out
Classified section however and, probably thankfully, away from my dubious
recollections, things have changed. Girls recline listlessly in hot pants
and lycra tops looking like they've just staggered out of a club in Romford,
or flash a vacuous smile, and alongside are such boring pieces of text as,
"A little bit of what you fancy does you good", and "Pull the hottest girls
online now!". What happened? Where are the phone numbers registered to
Guyana? I realise that in a world of loss this one is probably very minor
but, nevertheless, I mourn for the demise of the truly smutty phone sex
lines of which I was once an avowed connoiseur. And, perhaps, in its own
way, it is symbolic of something greater.

I have thought about how I may go about following up such a paragraph. I
would like you all to know that I would dearly love to atone in some way,
both for the above and the appaling subject line, but I think it beyond me
at the moment. I considered adding in a little poetry at the end, just to
elevate the tone, but I don't think that would be particularly fair the poet
I chose. The poor, dead wretch would have to endure the shame of his work
being placed alongside a meditation on phone sex; it would be profoundly
unfair. So I leave things rest, which is something I probably should have
done before embarking.

Ruvi.






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 +-+   "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000   +-+
 +-+       "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named       +-+
 +-+           Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000           +-+
 +-+             "Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa"              +-+
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From aieo at xxx.com  Tue Feb  6 05:50:46 2001
From: aieo at xxx.com (Tom Ewing)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 00:50:46 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Why we hate indie kids
Message-ID: <F279SaKkelCC9Zy3qdE00006cfc@hotmail.com>

1) They like indie music. Obviously.

2) Their regulation thick-frame black glasses. No more breakable item of 
nosewear has ever been invented: on slow afternoons I could happily cruise 
the streets for hours walking up to indie kids, lifting these ridiculous 
excuses for spectacles from their filthy-pored noses and breaking them at 
the bridge. How the indie kid would howl! Perhaps they would threaten to 
"kick my ass". Needless to say all indie kids have adequate eyesight: any 
slight impairment of vision is due entirely to their regime of perpetual 
masturbation.

3) Indie kids are at it like rabbits. Or want to be. Scratch any 'community' 
or 'scene' of indie kids and you will find a seething cauldron of sexual 
frustration and backstabbing. Most indie kids are vile to look upon: I think 
this because I am enslaved by societal standards of beauty.

4) Societal standards of anything are bad, pretty much. Unless it gets you a 
shag. Or earns you - or more likely your parents - the vast amount of money 
needed to get through college on some no-mark computer games degree AND buy 
a billion useless identical records.

5) On the rare occasions when an indie kid does get it on it at least 
distracts them from listening to indie music. Or making it. All indie kids 
are in indie bands.

6) Indie is short for independent, because indie kids are not mainstream. No 
sir. They are individuals. A quick look at an indie kid website will 
reassure you of that.

7) All indie kids are unique. They are however looking for other indie kids 
who are unique in exactly the same way as them - cool, huh?

8) Among the unique things about indie kids are their haircuts. The square 
mainstream observer might mistake the uniform dyed bobs and crops of 
indieland as the sinister hairstyles of a clone army hell-bent on taking 
over teenage america and making it listen to At The Drive-In. But such an 
observer would be a fool. There are crucial differences in the haircuts. 
Some are, like, really expensive.

9) Some records are really expensive, too. You must really love the music to 
spend $200 on eBay on a one-sided seven-inch, right? It shows your 
dedication to music is for real and unique, like your taste.

10) Indie fashions are individual and unique too, and are marked by the 
indie kid's strong sense of irony. For example, a lot of indie kids like 
wearing overalls and workshirts as worn by real live working class people. 
As the indie kid finishes a two-hour shift at Border's they feel solidarity 
with their working-class brothers and sisters in the bakeries and pizza 
delivery companies all across the nation.

11) They don't feel solidarity with the suits working in offices, though. 
Those people are a plastic fake herd of manufactured, soulless brainwashed 
lemming robot drone sheep enslaved to mass culture pap. (This is true, 
obviously. But sorry, indie kids are worse.)

12) Not all mass culture is pap, though. Hey! What about those cool 
Powerpuff Girls?

13) Infantilism is endemic to the indie kids. When was the last time you 
heard one of them use the word 'man' or 'woman'. Nope, it's always 'boys' 
and 'girls'. Some girls are 'cute'. Some boys are 'cute' too. The more 
incurable indie kids use the words 'grrrl' and - shudder - 'boi', for all 
the world as if they were living in a Disneyworld 1994 Experience ride or 
fell into a copy of Sassy once and never escaped.

14) When indie kids pair off with a cute grrrl or boi (all indie kids are in 
theory bisexual, of course. Just don't ask them to do anything about it.) 
they tend to treat each other like shit and then write it up on their web 
pages ("I am SUCH the geek"). This is because they are very sensitive, not 
as the casual observer might have guessed because they are emotional dwarves 
with no concept of human interaction outside a fanzine problem page. You 
become sensitive by listening to Belle And Sebastian a lot.

15) All their records sound the same, due to influence inbreeding. The gene 
pool of influences on indie rock has been shrinking steadily since 1977, 
thanks to paranoid scenester tastemaking. The constant slathering praise 
directed at the likes of the Get Up Kids and Sleater-Kinney is the critical 
equivalent of a one-eyed chinless inbred mutant winning a beauty contest.

16) Indie kids like experimentation, but not too much experimentation. They 
like extremity, but not too much extremity. They like songs, but they like 
them to be a bit shy and fuzzed-up and nervous and not too songish. Best of 
all they like bands which sound comfortingly like the other ones they 
already know are cool.

17) Of course they listen to other stuff too, carefully weighing it up for 
its purity of motive and general indie-ness. Other genres are assessed with 
a practised eye, and only the records which have the most spiritual kinship 
to indie are acceptable - no attempt is made to take these musics on their 
own terms, since indie is in any case superior. Eventually a fashionably 
anti-PC stance allows the indie kid to reject even bothering with hip-hop or 
dance records - that would after all be 'tokenism'.

18) The worst thing about indie kids is how apalling they are at even being 
indie kids. After idling their college years going to 'shows' every other 
day and then spending two years in retail working on a screenplay or writing 
a novel about following a band or recording a thousand tinny songs on a 
hundred cheap cassettes and giving them to people they fancy in the hope 
that a rare Braid EP track might get them a quick fuck on some other indie 
kid's sofa and pretending to like the Spice Girls and pretending to like the 
Magnetic Fields and pretending to like each other - after all that they 
suddenly get a job and start listening to Moby and Aimee Mann. What I ask 
you is the fucking point?


Tanya Headon and Tom Ewing with additional material by Maura Johnston
2 January 2001
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From athenaofme at xxx.com  Tue Feb  6 05:55:44 2001
From: athenaofme at xxx.com (lisa morrison)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 05:55:44 -0000
Subject: Sinister: from the boiler room to the barstool
Message-ID: <F129ykBbKP7Ie8tlMaz000138d2@hotmail.com>

...longlostlostdom back to whisper a few rather cheeky
secrets or stories or missplaced rantings or whatever it is
that you beloved kids dub my posts...if you dub them at all, that is...
i (ah the sacred letter of the egocentric) am always curious as to
whether i fall into the "good posts today..." or the "not-so good
posts" category...(and i pose adorable when curious, so you have
something nice to look at while i am not entertaining you...)

somehow magnetic feilds has never managed to grace the crackle of our
shitty bar sound system since that one fateful saturday evening...yet
TK's CORRAL is having 60's night...? where all the hippies ride electric 
bulls 'ore the plains and the mod-sters have a swide and stagger like john 
wayne and drink too much whiskey and line-dance drunkenly to the beatles and 
dylan...? i too am baffled beneath my rhine-stone cowboy hat....
then again...only country western could come up with a song based
around "memphis women and fried chicken" which i so wit-ily mistake
for "memphis chicken and fried women"...(pish)

and if you've gotten to this point your head-scratching and mouthing:
   ok, lisa...but haven't you lost a step or two, doll?
   whatever happened to that oh-so present smut...
truth: i have to write a love poem for my lit analysis class and the very 
thought of love has sucked the life from my vital parts like a vaccuum 
cleaner, which i suppose whould be a more appealing metaphor if i were a 
male, but...
what do you say about love when there's nothing left to say about it...?

-listdomlisa
       in academic distress that leaves me smut-less...






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 +-+       "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named       +-+
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 +-+             "Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa"              +-+
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From mayfly at xxx.com  Tue Feb  6 05:05:20 2001
From: mayfly at xxx.com (Rachel)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 22:05:20 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Bigmouth Strikes Again
Message-ID: <2A8F381C79BF4D115AF40010AFFFEFE3@mayfly.z.com>

my oh my:
it is my third post, and do you have any idea what that means??? do 
you?  do you really?  it means i am just not going to go away.  it 
means i will continue to turn up like a bad penny or a misspelled 
vegetable...  oh dear, that was a very bad pun wasn't it?

so it's monday night and i have a zillion more important things to do 
that are due much too soon, so of course the only logical thing to do 
was to sit at my computer and catch up with sinister.. even spent 
some time in #sinister, which, if you're one of the regulars there, 
you'll know is rare.  oh well, i am feuding with my best friend at 
the moment, so its nice to spend some time in such a comfortable and 
(usually) non-feudal atmosphere.  (with exceptions going to the 
napster debate, notably) my own private feud hopefully will end soon, 
since it really is over the most retarded issue... we fought over 
movies, which makes sense only if you know one or two pertinent facts:

1)my friend can never be wrong
2)i am tolerant and meek most times
3)i am not tolerant and meek when i am tired and hungover
4)it was saturday. 
5)saturday comes directly after friday

but it was monday today which was better, even despite the 8:30 
english class.  it was so very early when i woke up (having work yet 
to do on my essay due in said english class) that i was able to fool 
myself into believing it was not actually morning at all, but rather 
the middle of a lovely dark night with no classes looming on the 
horizon for hours yet... its a sort of sad delusion, but it got me 
out of bed.

content:   i have some!  (but i'm not going to tell you unless you 
give me your lunch money) yes, i am.  i can't resist, it involves 
sequins and opera and police caps.  so. there i am, sitting in the 
costume shop, toiling away at my practical work hours, sewing sequins 
on a police cap for a wonderful play called Gloria Star, while 
stabbing myself repeatedly with the needle and growing irritable at 
the opera music which plays perpetually while we sweatshoppers sweat 
and swear into our needle-pricked hands.  so i take out my discman, 
which just happens to have fishyclap inside, put on my headphones, 
and descend into a sort of twee-ish, existential bliss.  I skip the 
first three songs which i have heard on the walk over.  i am happily 
sewing away in oblivion, when halfway through nice day for a sulk, a 
tap on the shoulder brings me back into the cruel world and i look up 
to see seven incredulous faces watching me as i realize that my cheap 
headphones have been blessing everyone within ten or twelve metres 
with the lovely melodies of belle & sebastian.  and what's more, they 
are not impressed.  i press the off button and hide my head in 
shame.  WHAT are you LIStening to, Rachel, one asks.  i hear echoes 
of Yeah, what the HELL was THAT? it is a malevolent chorus of sneers 
that serenades the last minutes of my time in costumes.
and then i went home and put on 3..6..9 seconds of light and in 
seconds my mood improves and everything is happily ever after.

well, my subject title really does seem to be appropriate today, 
doesn't it?  Sorry, sorry, i know, we have better things to do with 
our lives than contemplate my bad prose.  so i will end here, except 
for my final note to anyone interested about a lovely lovely song i 
found on (insert expletive or praise, you know what i'm talkin bout) 
the other day, called Pure, by Pulling Jessica's Hair.  I urge you 
all to find and listen.  There is something about it that is just.... 
well, if it were a book it would be un-put-down-able.

au revoir, 
     Rachel

ACADEME, n. An ancient school where morality and philosophy were 
taught.
ACADEMY, n. [from ACADEME] A modern school where football is taught.
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From kittenmouse at xxx.com  Tue Feb  6 07:17:50 2001
From: kittenmouse at xxx.com (Andrea Kittenmouse)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 23:17:50 -0800
Subject: Sinister: sinister playlists and nightmares
Message-ID: <F1284CxpAOAkK5LqN3300002ccb@hotmail.com>

Hello,
Just got done with my show about an hour ago...hasn't anyone heard it yet?  
It's on the web now, y'know...do you want to know what I play?  Cause I can 
tell you a bit...here's a list of some of the bands I played today...

Air (Virgin Suicides sdtk.)//Cat Power//Elliott Smith//Velvet 
Underground//Belle and Sebastian//Mark Robinson//Dressy Bessy//Smoking 
Popes//Modest Mouse//The Donnas//Vehicle Flips//Gentle Waves//Mary 
Timony//Blonde Redhead//PJ Harvey//Jim O'Rourke etc.

See...now aren't you disappointed you didn't tune in?  That's OK, I 
guess...there's always next week.  I'm doing a special valentine's day show 
next week (it's not ON valentine's day, it's monday night, but valentine 
week show...argh, whatever)...as a matter of fact, if you could tell me some 
good love songs you want to hear, I'm trying to make a playlist of good love 
songs for the show.  So email me and tell me some that you want to hear, OK?

I had a strange dream the other night that would make a great movie (and 
creepy).  In the dream, there were these tiny tiny people (two of them) who 
were trying to escape from this normal size (giant to them) rich man who 
collects the tiny 3 inch high people and keeps them in little drawers in a 
big cabinet in his big house.  Except the tiny people are alive, and they 
don't like being kept in drawers so they try to escape.  Wouldn't that make 
a weird movie?  It was a weird dream, that's for sure.

Yours,
Andrea
www.kpsu.org (that's where you can listen to the show, mondays 8-10 pm 
pacific standard time)
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From banchorymerchandise.uk at xxx.net  Tue Feb  6 12:11:10 2001
From: banchorymerchandise.uk at xxx.net (Katrina House)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 12:11:10 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Stuart Murdoch for Rector!
Message-ID: <01ce01c09035$e4a726c0$02d0fc3e@katrina>

hello,

 this is especially for all you Glasgow Uni students out there, but everyone
else is also welcome to a meeting tomorrow Wednesday 07/02 in the Williams
Room, John McIntyre Building, Glasgow Uni (University Avenue G12) at 3pm to
come and hear what the candidate has to say for himself.  tea + biccies
provided.

*** ends public service announcement ***

 oh, for the boy who asked a couple of weeks ago, you can purchase b&s
merchie from www.banchory.net  - make yours a banchory!


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From p.carter at xxx.uk  Tue Feb  6 13:40:55 2001
From: p.carter at xxx.uk (Peter Carter)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:40:55 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Why we hate indie kids
References: <F279SaKkelCC9Zy3qdE00006cfc@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <009301c09042$958470e0$8f33883e@oemcomputer>

> 1) They like indie music. Obviously.

Clearly.

> 2) Their regulation thick-frame black glasses. No more breakable item of
> nosewear has ever been invented: on slow afternoons I could happily cruise
> the streets for hours walking up to indie kids, lifting these ridiculous
> excuses for spectacles from their filthy-pored noses and breaking them at
> the bridge.

Hours of fun there then, you funny guy you.

> How the indie kid would howl! Perhaps they would threaten to
> "kick my ass".

You are thinking of either 'Trendies' or 'Sk8r Goths' an indie kid would
probably just stand there looking intimidated then start to cry.

> Needless to say all indie kids have adequate eyesight:

The reknown indie/good eyesight gene.

> any
> slight impairment of vision is due entirely to their regime of perpetual
> masturbation.

And what, may I ask, is wrong with perpetual masturbation?

> 3) Indie kids are at it like rabbits. Or want to be. Scratch any
'community'
> or 'scene' of indie kids and you will find a seething cauldron of sexual
> frustration and backstabbing. Most indie kids are vile to look upon: I
think
> this because I am enslaved by societal standards of beauty.

Isn't this more prevelant in the 'Trendy' or 'Lib-Dem Sk8r Goth' (Korn
boys/girls) community? I'd say that,
since these two communities are by-and-large the only other ones widely
embraced by teens, that this
is a teenage phenomenon.

> 5) On the rare occasions when an indie kid does get it on it at least
> distracts them from listening to indie music.

I thought indie kids did it all the time, see point 3.

> Or making it. All indie kids
> are in indie bands.

Which is bad because...

> 6) Indie is short for independent, because indie kids are not mainstream.
No
> sir. They are individuals. A quick look at an indie kid website will
> reassure you of that.

URL please.

> 7) All indie kids are unique. They are however looking for other indie
kids
> who are unique in exactly the same way as them - cool, huh?

Would the fact that they have to dress exactly that way to be classed indie
kids have anything to do with that?
There is usually only one vaguely stereotype indie kid in any 'indie' group.

> 8) Among the unique things about indie kids are their haircuts. The square
> mainstream observer might mistake the uniform dyed bobs and crops of
> indieland as the sinister hairstyles of a clone army hell-bent on taking
> over teenage america and making it listen to At The Drive-In. But such an
> observer would be a fool. There are crucial differences in the haircuts.
> Some are, like, really expensive.

And some are, in fact, either long or short, and tend to look different and
be different colours.

> 9) Some records are really expensive, too. You must really love the music
to
> spend $200 on eBay on a one-sided seven-inch, right? It shows your
> dedication to music is for real and unique, like your taste.

Really!? I think you're thinking about moneyed morons.

> 10) Indie fashions are individual and unique too, and are marked by the
> indie kid's strong sense of irony. For example, a lot of indie kids like
> wearing overalls and workshirts as worn by real live working class people.
> As the indie kid finishes a two-hour shift at Border's they feel
solidarity
> with their working-class brothers and sisters in the bakeries and pizza
> delivery companies all across the nation.

Most of my indie friends are too lazy to get jobs...

> 11) They don't feel solidarity with the suits working in offices, though.
> Those people are a plastic fake herd of manufactured, soulless brainwashed
> lemming robot drone sheep enslaved to mass culture pap. (This is true,
> obviously. But sorry, indie kids are worse.)

Are they worse? Explain.

> 12) Not all mass culture is pap, though. Hey! What about those cool
> Powerpuff Girls?

Huh? Are they an American band or something?

> 13) Infantilism is endemic to the indie kids. When was the last time you
> heard one of them use the word 'man' or 'woman'. Nope, it's always 'boys'
> and 'girls'. Some girls are 'cute'. Some boys are 'cute' too. The more
> incurable indie kids use the words 'grrrl' and - shudder - 'boi', for all
> the world as if they were living in a Disneyworld 1994 Experience ride or
> fell into a copy of Sassy once and never escaped.

Maybe they call each other boy and girl because they are teenagers and
'man' or 'woman' would be biologically incorrect. Oh, and I've only ever
seen
grrrl used as in 'Riot Grrrl' and never seen boi anyway...  if I did see it
I'm
sure it'd be met with screams of derision from most indies.

> 14) When indie kids pair off with a cute grrrl or boi (all indie kids are
in
> theory bisexual, of course. Just don't ask them to do anything about it.)

I think you're getting confused with 'Sk8r Goths' again.

> they tend to treat each other like shit and then write it up on their web
> pages ("I am SUCH the geek"). This is because they are very sensitive, not
> as the casual observer might have guessed because they are emotional
dwarves
> with no concept of human interaction outside a fanzine problem page. You
> become sensitive by listening to Belle And Sebastian a lot.

AT LAST, a good point. This is true (apart from the writing it up on
websites bit),
but Radiohead probably makes indie kids more sensitive...

> 15) All their records sound the same, due to influence inbreeding. The
gene
> pool of influences on indie rock has been shrinking steadily since 1977,
> thanks to paranoid scenester tastemaking. The constant slathering praise
> directed at the likes of the Get Up Kids and Sleater-Kinney is the
critical
> equivalent of a one-eyed chinless inbred mutant winning a beauty contest.

Sleater-Kinney sound like Belle and Sebastian? Katheryn Williams
sounds like Godspeed You Black Emperor!? The Eels sound like Looper?
Richie era Manics sound like They Might Be Giants? Red Hot Chill Peppers
sound like Radiohead?

Do you have ears? Which other genre has more variety?

> 16) Indie kids like experimentation, but not too much experimentation.
> They like extremity, but not too much extremity.

Subtlety? Restraint? Limp Bizkit are extreme for christ sake and
they sound aweful.

> They like songs, but they like
> them to be a bit shy and fuzzed-up and nervous and not too songish.

Point taken.. wow... doing well here.

> Best of
> all they like bands which sound comfortingly like the other ones they
> already know are cool.

Point destroyed in previous section.

> 17) Of course they listen to other stuff too, carefully weighing it up for
> its purity of motive and general indie-ness. Other genres are assessed
with
> a practised eye, and only the records which have the most spiritual
kinship
> to indie are acceptable -

Are you talking about quality here?

> no attempt is made to take these musics on their
> own terms, since indie is in any case superior. Eventually a fashionably
> anti-PC stance allows the indie kid to reject even bothering with hip-hop
or
> dance records - that would after all be 'tokenism'.

A LOT of indie kids like Hip Hop, see Jurrassic Five. As for dance... well,
most of it's shit but...

'Massive Attack', 'Idioteque' by Radiohead, 'Portishead', 'Dj Shadow',
'Unkle'. Is Trip Hop not dance?
Would you not class 'Geometrid' as at least partially a dance album?

> 18) The worst thing about indie kids is how apalling they are at even
being
> indie kids. After idling their college years going to 'shows' every other
> day and then spending two years in retail working on a screenplay or
writing
> a novel about following a band or recording a thousand tinny songs on a
> hundred cheap cassettes and giving them to people they fancy in the hope
> that a rare Braid EP track might get them a quick fuck on some other indie
> kid's sofa and pretending to like the Spice Girls and pretending to like
the
> Magnetic Fields and pretending to like each other - after all that they
> suddenly get a job and start listening to Moby and Aimee Mann. What I ask
> you is the fucking point?

It's called being disillusioned. Since when did indie kids like the Spice
Girls (shouldn't that be Grrrls?).

Nevertheless, despite glaring errors, I found this quite funny. Steven
Wells, is that you?

"You better think twice or life will kick you in the ass" - Albert Camus

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From imnicolson at xxx.com  Tue Feb  6 14:18:13 2001
From: imnicolson at xxx.com (Ian Nicolson)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 14:18:13 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Dale Winton's just been shot!
Message-ID: <F64zP8tOFmzr4jtvwBW000071ce@hotmail.com>

Maybe we should do a tribute...

'I will be the first person in history to die of boredom'

Is that possible, do you know? To actually DIE of BOREDOM? I think I should 
maybe be taken to intensive care post haste. I can imagine my work people 
coming back after lunch and finding me slumped in my chair. 'Help ma boab!', 
they'd exclaim, 'what happened?!'. 'Well, he WAS very bored...'  I work in a 
place where we look at death registers all day (just how bleak is that?!), 
but I've yet to come across one that has cause of death as 'bored as 
bejaysus'. So I will be the first. Maybe I should go to the doctors.

'Life, friends, is boring. We must not say so.'

Rachel spoke (typed?) about listening to personal stereos too loudly. I was 
once told off by a man in a suit for listening to 'Tigermilk' too loudly on 
a bus. I felt like a walking Sinister cliche. And I was in Leith, where lots 
of tough people live. I thought I might get battered. 'Fuckin' poofs 
music...'

Some chancer called Tom Ewing told us how much he bloody hates indie kids. 
Me too, the cunts. All glasses and flares. National service, that's the 
answer. God help us if there's a war. They'd be tripping over their laces 
and moaning about having to get up too early in the morning. A fortnight 
down the pits would sort them out. What pits?

Is it alright to think that the Trembling Blue Stars are flipping awful? You 
won't all beat me up, will you?

Jings, I'm bored...
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From kpc98c at xxx.UK  Tue Feb  6 14:57:47 2001
From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 14:57:47 +0000
Subject: Sinister: I don't love townie ones
Message-ID: <200102061451.OAA13482@missprint.org>

Hello,

I felt so depressed yesterday, all of the things I planned for didn't work 
out, it was terrible, even though nothing abnormally bad has happened (the 
worse was just a rejection for the job application), I have certainly had 
worse days.

I think it was because nothing good was happening at all, and I felt that 
it was the lull before a big storm as everything seemed to be taking a turn 
for the worse, and I wanted to cry for the first time in years, it didn't 
quite work tho unfortunately, so I just drank some Red Bull instead.  And 
someone really sweet cheered me up at the end of the day.  So I'm happy 
again.

Erm :)  I thought I'll carry on the "Human Tribes" personal profile with 
episode #2 - "Townies"

1) They are townies, enough said.

2) Industrial Strenth puffer jackets, an attempt to give the impression 
of having a large build (and therefore a large you know what) by wearing 
a puffed up jacket.  Possibly also to act as additional air bags whilst 
drink driving in their Ford Escort XR3i.

3) Townies are at it like rabbits, or boasts to be.  Townie boys are 
often found telling others about how he pulled some girl and shagged 
her, but of course the girl normally was either incapacitated due to 
spiked drinks or drugs, or just easy.

4) It's good that most townie kids are always in clubs drinking beer, 
because it distracts them from being in clubs as a DJ, or worse, making 
their "contribution" by making more dance music with pumping beats which 
is totally distinguishable from other dance music "tunes".  The particularly 
talented ones can even fade in from one CD to another smoothly.

5) The one unique thing about townie boys is the serial number on the 
label of their designer shirt, actually the price tags are also sometimes 
different.  I think a "Paul Smith" gear costs more than a "John Clark" 
or "Nigel Dimbleton" one.

6) Townie kids have a very good broad range of music, from dance to hip-hop 
to Tom Jones, all great.

7) Townie boys (esp the ones in this University) are often found indulging 
in adult activities such as stripping naked in public, and of course food 
fights... in fact any actions that come under the category of "making a 
twat out of yourself" would probably be a favourite townie activity.

8) On the rare occasion that Townie people are in a relationship (rather 
than just having "pulled"), they treat each other like crap, that's probably 
because they learnt about relationships by watching Hollyoakes, or maybe 
Ibiza Uncovered.

9) I can go on forever, so I'll stop :)

Notice the use of "boys" in the description.. that's because I like 
townie girls... they wear very nice dresses.  Ahem.  I'll get my coat :)

Sweet girls in dresses and Red Bulls
Ken
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From ppyrrjs at xxx.uk  Tue Feb  6 16:28:31 2001
From: ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:28:31 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: Why we hate hairdressers
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0102061626300.1700-100000@granby.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>


Where I come from, a rector is like a vicar, but he lets you stand on the
pews if you can't see. Stuart Murdoch is almost a vicar, so I'm sure he'd
be very good.

Has anyone mentioned Ian McCulloch being signed up by Jeepster? It's on
their website. Probably someone has, I just wasn't paying
attention. Someone keeps throwing balls of paper at my head.

I had my hair cut yesterday. Somehow, whilst performing a difficult
hair-cutting manoeuvre on the top of my head, the barber managed to cut
his finger and began to bleed over my head.

"Sorry mate, it usually stops in a bit" he said, sticking his finger in
his mouth. But after a few minutes it was still bleeding, so he sent the
other barber off to the chemist for plasters and stood there holding his
hand above his head. "Won't be long mate". Bluddy hell, you don't expect
that sort of service, do you? In the end my haircut lasted 45 minutes,
including injury time.

The man having his hair cut in the chair next to me has a friend who once
threw a shoe at Noel Gallagher's head. It hit him too. Hooray!

That tirade against indie kids was a bit odd. I liked the way they
credited all three people who wrote it. I couldn't understand this bit,
though.

> ... pretending to like the Spice Girls and pretending
> to like the Magnetic Fields and pretending to like each
> other ...

Since when did indie kids like the Magnetic Fields?

Written by Robin Stout

Based on an idea by Buster Merryfield

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From brandtpfundak at xxx.com  Tue Feb  6 18:34:38 2001
From: brandtpfundak at xxx.com (Brandt Fundak)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:34:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Eating my words
In-Reply-To: <200102061622.QAA19412@missprint.org>
Message-ID: <20010206183438.22629.qmail@web1806.mail.yahoo.com>


To the author of "Why We Hate Indie Kids."

Thank you for making me almost piss my pants at work. 
As a wannabe socialist hipster who has poor eyesight
and doesn't play guitar I now know why I am failing. 
tomorrow i will get laser eye surgery, a fake pair of
hornrims, "The Wealth of Nations" and a Gibson.

I KNEW something would make me post before my six
month self imposed exile was up. I just didn't think
it would happen so soon.

someone needs to post that to the indiepop list.

Brandt



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From honey at xxx.org  Tue Feb  6 21:07:15 2001
From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 21:07:15 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: tartometer me
In-Reply-To: <01ce01c09035$e4a726c0$02d0fc3e@katrina>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.32.0102062012490.454-100000@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>

You all keep beating me to it.  I was going to (a) point out that
Jeepster had signed Ian McCulloch (spare us the cutter?), (b) point you
all in the direction of The Erstwhile Duke's article "The One You
Really Love: The Magnetic Fields vs Belle & Sebastian" to provoke you,
and (c) point out that I contradict myself constantly and have
a borderline disgusting hoity-toity for beef.

But it's all been said before.  Well, some references anyway:

(a) http://www.jeepster.co.uk/mcculloch/
(b) http://www.tangents.co.uk/tangents/main/2001/magfields.html
(c) http://www.missprint.org/sinister/mhonarc/200101/msg00348.html

Katrina said:
>  this is especially for all you Glasgow Uni students out there, but everyone
> else is also welcome to a meeting tomorrow Wednesday 07/02 in the Williams
> Room, John McIntyre Building, Glasgow Uni (University Avenue G12) at 3pm to
> come and hear what the candidate has to say for himself.  tea + biccies
> provided.

and I've had a request to post an official Sinister press agent to
the event.  I can't go because I'll be shearing some sheep, so can
someone in Glasgow who's going please mail me and tell me they will
represent the Sinister Chronicle?  We need details on rectorial
policy (I hear there may be some good ones), sock colours, and
whether anyone bursts into song.  Anyone who mails back to the list
after this event will thereafter be an official Sinister Junior
Reporter, with a badge and everything (if they make it).

Tom Ewing said:
"Why we hate indie kids"
> 1) They like indie music. Obviously.

.. which I liked, except he didn't, at all.  Well he did, but not
here but at the rather super Freaky Trigger (neurotic pop elitists)
site at http://www.freakytrigger.com.  Someone else posted "in his
name" and took it all rather too seriously, right down to wearing a hat
and raincoat.  But you should all pop along to Freaky Trigger because
sometimes they talk about YOU!  In the meantime, can I remind you all
(obviously) that impersonating someone else is a bit rude, and only
requires half a brain.  You probably wouldn't like it if we mailed your
mum as you.  Or posted as Your Mum.  Anyone who went through the Henry
Thomas (E.T.) (hello Henry if you are still out there) saga in 1967 on
the list will remember what happened last time :)  So impersonating
someone else on the list is *bad*, be yourself.

Catherine Deneuve xxx
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From paul.rudolph.b at xxx.com  Tue Feb  6 21:50:10 2001
From: paul.rudolph.b at xxx.com (paul.rudolph.b at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:50:10 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Revelations on Hal Hartley
Message-ID: <OF3D9F171F.71A0B532-ON852569EB.00648201@pitts.bayer.com>

During the first few weeks of all of this Hal Hartley hubbub, I kept thinking
Hal
Hartley was Hal Lindsey.  For those of you who might not know, Hal Lindsey is
is the writer obsessed with the Book of Revelations and our impending doom.
I spent about a week trying to figure out why Belle & Sebastian would associate
with Hal Lindsey.  Have they joined a cult?  Thankfully, a sinister post
referred
me to the IMDb and I realized everyone was talking about Hal Hartley (and my
fears were assuaged).  I don't want to know what my mental state is 40 years
from now.

I think classifying people into sub-cultures is analogous to the "evil
corporation"
who has to classify their customers through "targeted marketing."

So, what's up with the "Interminable Three Chord Break" in the Modern Rock Song
sleeve?  I haven't seen any mention of it in the archives.  It probably was
discussed
during a flurry of posts about oxymorons in Belle & Sebastian songs, or
something like that.

Sha la la la la,

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From cellophanesky at xxx.com  Tue Feb  6 22:46:05 2001
From: cellophanesky at xxx.com (Brian Pennington)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:46:05 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Merritt vs. Murdoch in a Battle of the Poppest
In-Reply-To: <F279SaKkelCC9Zy3qdE00006cfc@hotmail.com>
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Hello,
	So *that* was the article about B&S. I read through the first 
paragraph and after realizing it was some sort of dissertation on why 
Mr. Fitchett is far too obsessed with 69 Love Songs, I stopped 
reading. Now having skimmed over the bits where he goes on and on 
about creating mobiles of pictures of Stephin Merritt to put over his 
bed, I find that there is actually some mention of Belle & Sebastian 
in there.
	This sort of thing infuriates me to no end. Critics. People 
who seem to think that they are illuminating us about our own 
opinions. Most people realize there cannot be objective standards for 
music. Since I do, here's mine, but keep in mind I am guessing that a 
lot of other people liked 69 Love Songs more than FISHYCLAP by the 
looks of things. And that's fine if that's the way they feel.
	However I seem to have taken the opposite tack. In love with 
Fold Your Hands and disappointed by 69 Love Songs. I respect that 69 
Love Songs is very interesting conceptually. But the bare fact is 
that no one is capable of writing 69 quality songs in that short a 
span of time. So as a result we get joke songs as filler, moments of 
brilliance and lots of mediocrity in between. It's all very 
interesting as a concept but piss-poor as an album if you ask me. 
Like if in the VU boxed set they would have mixed the album tracks in 
with the unreleased demos. I don't fault the Magnetic Fields for 
releasing this record but I find it difficult to imagine anyone 
liking this record enough to tout it above their heads, comparing 
contemporary albums spuriously.
	In the article Mr. Fitchett asks the reader how many times he 
or she has actually listened to FISHYCLAP and how many all the way 
through. For my part I could probably answer more than any other 
album which came out in the year 2000, whereas I only managed to 
listen to the entirety of 69 Love Songs once, the first time I 
brought it back from the store, and subsequent discs found their way 
onto my CD player quite sparsely. I see it as a great shame that such 
great songs as "Ferdinand de Saussure" are featured on the same album 
as "Punk Love."
	And as for the Magnetic Fields being driven by Merritt and 
B&S being a collective due to Struan's seeming reluctance to be a 
frontman. This is very true, but if Belle & Sebastian were to release 
69 of Struan's songs I think I would feel the same way. I would 
really like to see Stuart Murdoch be more of a focus in Belle & 
Sebastian, and I don't think I am alone in that. But to see Belle & 
Sebastian become a vehicle for his whims of fancy would be far too 
much of a good thing. If we have to endure the Ringo-like musings of 
other B&S members' songs, so be it. Take it part & parcel. I always 
did like Octopus' Garden anyway.
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From rfadden at xxx.com  Wed Feb  7 00:39:46 2001
From: rfadden at xxx.com (Robyn Fadden)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:39:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: it feels so 80s, or early 90s
Message-ID: <20010207003946.5312.qmail@web117.yahoomail.com>

hello smutsters,

ah, the in-ter-net. ah, tech-no-logy. mmm. so much stuff. i feel like
i'm planting seeds inside myself and waiting for spring when all
these plants will start growing out of me. maybe i'm feeling too
close to nature. or nature metaphors...

here is something interesting said by Dave Eggers in McSweeney's
about people who are impressed by nothing: "I honestly think it's a
result of too much time spent indoors, in dark rooms, reading
critiques of criticism of opinions about trends. One needs, I think,
very often, some exposure to the source material � that is, the
world." And i thought of jenowl out in the woods talking to the
trees. outdoors is good. but so are books and the internet. i guess
we must strive for balance. 

there was poetry mentioned. the other day, my boy gave me 'the lost
luna bedaeker', a book of mina loy's poetry, which made me very happy
as i've been living for years with only a handful of photocopies of
mina loy poetry. it is nice when people give you things you really
should have bought yourself years ago. now i just need someone to buy
me a vacuum (one that sucks up dirt and dust in my house, not a space
devoid of matter. though that might be fun to throw things into and
then wonder where they went and wonder also when and if they will
come back. ha ha, but don't we all have enough metaphorical vacuums
anyway, hum hum, har har. ah. er.) 

the week before last was my birthday. really, all of that week. i had
five cakes! the best cake was a homemade one in the shape of hello
kitty, with red paper bow and licorice border. i thought a good cake
would be in the shape of the b&s bus, but it did not happen. maybe
next year.

or maybe a cake in the shape of le tigre. which would be the shape of
total radness! i don't know what that shape looks like, but it would
be great. great like outdoors. great like the new le tigre ep.

i'll meet you in the street,
robyn

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~~~
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From MIWinship at xxx.com  Wed Feb  7 01:57:07 2001
From: MIWinship at xxx.com (MIWinship at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:57:07 EST
Subject: Sinister: Generation Indie
Message-ID: <f2.7434fc7.27b20573@aol.com>

Yes, yes,

Alright? It's yr 'Agent' Mike here. As ever, I have been drinking and mixing 
with theatre 'types'. Tonight, for example, I was stood at the bar next to 
Richard E Grant, and also laughed at the presence of Patrick Marber. 

So, like, indie kids are a bit sad and that, apparently. Ah, well, that's us 
told.

Moving on: I can't emphasise enough just how good the new Future Pilot AKA 
and Bill Wells albums are. International Airport also 'do it' for me at the 
moment.

I realise I may have killed off the 'rude' B&S craze, but must tip my 
proverbial hat to the author or 'Ease Yr Meat Into the She'. 

'69 Love Songs' is OK, but the best going to sleep music is Brian Eno or Papa 
M. 

So, who needs to move into a house in the Greenwich area in the next two 
weeks? You do? Then e-mail me now..... (Flagrant list abuse, I know, but 
we're desperate...)

So, bye for now, and much jealousy to those in the North (that means you, 
Pez) and your 'snow'. 


Mike.
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From jiffy_popper at xxx.com  Wed Feb  7 02:58:20 2001
From: jiffy_popper at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 21:58:20 -0500
Subject: Sinister: When I grow up I want to be Stuart Murdoch
Message-ID: <F60WCy7rjcxtniFKULP000073f3@hotmail.com>

Because it seems he can do everything! Poet, singer-songwriter, janitor, bus 
driver, potential Rector, and probably Dashing Firefighter who rescues 
kittens. I am curious as to what it is a Rector does?

I thought the Magnetic Fields vs Belle & Sebastian piece was quite 
interesting, as the Magnetic Fields have always been one of those bands that 
I should like and that everyone loves but I just never got into..maybe my 
tastes weren't ready for them a few years ago, I don't know. Try, try, 
again. I don't hate them or anything, I like a few songs, sometimes for 
pleasure I even do a strange ballet dance to You Love To Fail. But for me, 
they will not come close to the height of B&S. Strange to observe the 
delirious love the Duke has for them in contrast to my absence of feeling.
I really liked Kim's post. It seems like many immediately jump at being the 
self-righteous victim and throw out the 'well, it's MY RIGHT' me me 
mememememe stomp-your-foot. It's always about what's owed to someone, but 
never the responsibilites. It is refreshing that Stuart Murdoch cares and 
thinks about others instead of always himself and this is why he is lovely 
and yummy and the icing on my cake and has the most beautiful singing voice.
So maybe they will and maybe they won't be releasing beautiful records year 
after year, but how can Pop music be about longevity when all of this won't 
be around in 40 years anyways. It's the moments that count. I am remembering 
a 14 year old girl buying If You're Feeling Sinister from a gorgeous record 
store boy, and her not knowing anything about the band she was about to 
hear. I remember her secretly listening to Tigermilk on headphones in boring 
classes. I am thinking of certain parts in The Loneliness of the Middle 
Distance Runner, Expectations, There's Too Much Love...and OH, it goes on, 
those certain bits that just break me. Like the line in Le Pastie, 'how you 
love, and the halo surrounds you' make me feel like running, to be all 
windswept and exhilirated, pure joy! Maybe there will be fewer moments, but 
how beautiful they are. When I'm an old lady cruising down the highway, 
listening to the oldies station, hopefully I'll hear B&S and those Moments 
and nostalgic feelings will all come flooding back, and oh how I'll yearn 
for Magical Elf Struan once more.

Love,
Genevieve

p.s
Did the Poetry Parrot die again? The following is apparently The Worst Poem 
Ever Written in the English Language. "Theophile Marzials..born in 1850...he 
once interrupted a hushed library room by loudly declaiming: 'Am I not the 
darling of the British Museum Reading Room?' He also had an enthusiastic 
propensity for giving impromptu public recitals of his works."

A Tragedy
Theophile Marzials

Death!
Plop.
The barges down in the river flop.
Flop,plop.
Above, beneath.
>From the slimy branches the grey drips drop...
To the oozy waters, that lounge and flop...
And my head shrieks-"Stop"
And my heart shrieks-"Die"...

Ugh! yet I knew-I knew
if a woman is false can a friend be true?
It was only a lie from beginning to end-
My Devil-My "Friend"...

So what do I care,
And my head is empty as air-
I can do,
I can dare
(Plop, plop
The barges flop
Drip, drop.)
I can dare, I can dare!
And let myself all run away with my head
And stop.
Drop
Dead.
Plop, flop.

Plop.
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From rtoad at xxx.net  Wed Feb  7 05:27:17 2001
From: rtoad at xxx.net (Rob Lorenson)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 21:27:17 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Son of If B & S Were 14 Year Old Japanese Schoolgirls
Message-ID: <3A806C35.1610.ED34E1@localhost>

I haven't posted in a long, long time.  Today I was forced against 
my will to listen to the Jpop group "Tampopo," which is a group of 4 
14 year old Japanese girls all wearing frilly black and pink 
burlesque-style outfits and big pink top hats, so they kind of look 
like the Mad Hatter if he was a stripper.  Their first song was pretty 
horrid, something about frilly girly things and skipping through 
Kyoto and flowers and crap.  The second song was pretty much 
the same, and my friend who was driving in the car was grinning 
her big bad-teeth grin and chuckling and saying something in 
Japanese that ain't in any textbooks (my friend is from Osaka, if 
anyone cares, and she's a strange girl).  Then the third song came -
- and the both of us swear that the girl in Tampopo started singing 
about "Okama" -- male homosexuals, and "resubian" -- lesbian.  
And that got me thinking -- what if B & S were 14 year old 
Japanese schoolgirls singing about the same subjects that they do 
now.  The exact same songs.  Would they be as popular?  Or 
would people think that they were complete freaks?  Would we all 
be writing to each other on the list, and meeting each other in 
clubs, and wearing silly T-shirts, and walking through the grocery 
store singing "dirty dream number two" at an audible level, or 
screaming every time Chris or Stuart or Isabelle or Mick or Etc. got 
on stage, or pissing off the annoying people who live in the house 
below yours by cranking "woman's realm" at 3 AM?  Or would they 
fade amongst the obscurity of Shinjuku BDSM clubs and Toxitown 
Junky Queens?  would they end up in a smoke-filled club stinking 
of booze and body odor while 50 year old business wanked off to 
them while they gyrated and twisted and pranced on a rounded 
stage, their arms and legs bruised and holed with needle marks, 
their septums burned out and trickles of blood dripping down their 
face?

Sorry.  I am on a weird tangent right now.  I just finished reading 
the book "Coin Locker Babies" by Ryu Murakami, which is about 
transvestites and drug addicts and male/female whores and rock 
and roll stars and pole vaulters and a fashion model with a pet 
crocodile.  And Shinjuku, where I went one before, and will go 
again when I'm in Japan this summer.

Toodles.

Your Pal,
Rob

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From tigermilker at xxx.com  Wed Feb  7 12:03:36 2001
From: tigermilker at xxx.com (mark waudby)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 12:03:36 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Re: Why we hate indie kids
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>after all that they
>suddenly get a job and start listening to Moby and Aimee Mann. What I ask
>you is the fucking point?


Wow!!!! I was with you all the way until this bit!!! Who's Aimee Man???

Only other confusing thing is that you consider all listed points to be bad 
traits, when all right-minded individuals, of course, know them to be 
uniformly virtuous and superior. Do you own a button-down shirt, perchance?

mark
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From pinefox1 at xxx.com  Wed Feb  7 14:43:16 2001
From: pinefox1 at xxx.com (P F)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 06:43:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: From The Top Of The Brill Building
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SYNGE AND YEATS ARE ON HIS SIDE

I see in queue, I mean, Q, on a station platform
(terminus, concourse, booksellers, or what you will.
It's like the 1840s happened) that MORRISSEY is
revenant, yes, 'returning', with a long-player, as yet
unrecorded, called IRISH BLOOD, ENGLISH HEART. This
will excite those academics and Jon Savage fans (they
exist, I think) who have long called on "M" to
acknowledge his gaylicity. I haven't done that, but it
will excite me, too, if it ever appears. But it does
raise (not beg) a question: what ever happened to the
Los Angeles LP of whose existence Michael Bracewell
was the first to inform us?

INDEPENDENT READER? I?

I have still yet, yet, still, to see any further
discussion on this list of the album THE NEGATIVES, by
the singer once known as 'The Singer With Soul Band
The Commotions'. So far, all told, I have only heard
the following, non-sinister comments - possibly
accurate, possibly not; you be the judge, jury, and
indeed executioner - on this LP:

1) It's called THE PARANOIDS
2) 'You' can 'download' it
3) It seems to be all about Los Angeles.

I'm afraid that this has not satisfied me. Why is
no-one talking about 'Man On The Verge', the song of
2000? Or 'Past Imperfect', the other song of 2000? Or
'That Boy', the third song of 2000? Goddamit, this
*is* the LLOYD COLE MAILING LIST, isn't it?, run by
and for LLOYD COLE FANS!!? Think about it.


HEARTBREAKER, by PAT BENATAR

Someone just mentioned Dave Eggers. Last night I read
Ian Sansom's review of his famed book, which naturally
I've not read (I don't read books). On the basis of
what Sansom (I.) quoted, I felt that his critical
faculties had taken a walk down a long pier. The tone
seemed waff and less intelligent, not only than it
doubtless thought it was, but than the estimable
Sansom (I.) thought it was. I think that only
Welthorpe (E.) can help me on this one.


I WAS BY THE WIRE FENCE, AND DODGING FLYING BRIDGES

Obliquely she reminds me: the other day I saw that
Mooro pitched in with a rare flight of provincial
romanticism -

>>> Stevenage, oh town of cycle tracks and my birth.
Zooming through the underpasses swerving past scared
early morning shoppers on the way to work at the
Lister Hospital. Walking the flying bridge from the
railway station through the Leisure Centre to the
pedestrian only shopping precinct with futuristic
clock tower, cars flying underneath like some torrent
in the St
Gothard pass.... [etc]

- that really cannot be allowed to go uncommended. It
was one of the best things I'd ever seen from Mooro. I
think he should write a 'concept album' or something.


TIME'S TIDE WILL MOTHER YOU

Genevieve W wrote something that I thought was pretty
sound:

>>> but how can Pop music be about longevity when all
of this won't be around in 40 years anyways. It's the
moments that count. I am remembering a 14 year old
girl buying If You're Feeling Sinister from a gorgeous
record store boy, and her not knowing anything about
the band she was about to hear. I remember her
secretly listening to Tigermilk on headphones in
boring 
classes...

As I hope shortly to say, I think Pop music can be
about longevity, shortlevity, and lots of other
things. But I think Ms W is on to something here. Why
(for instance) demand that B&S go on churning stuff
out, if they're not up to it (I have no idea, of
course, whether they are or not), when they have
already given us things to value and live by? We need
(I find myself formulating a provisional 'rule') to be
able to *value the finite*: for most is finite. And I
also happen to agree with Ms W that nostalgia -
next-door neighbour to love - can be a great thing in
the context of pop. Or of anything. When Ms W gets
older, she may sadly find that she finds it difficult
even to be nostalgic as she used to be. That is a bona
fide loss. 


CRITICISM AND ICONOGRAPHY

It is time for stormy weather. It's time to broach
once again this silly chestnut of the MFs vs B&S
question, as raised in the article to which the geezer
Miller, then Honey, pointed us all. I was going to
fall silent on this, but enough others have taken it
up that it seems to be worth having one last swing at
it.

A meta-comment first, on the geezer Pennington's
comment:

>>> This sort of thing infuriates me to no end.
Critics. People who seem to think that they are
illuminating us about our own opinions.

Is Mr P saying that 'critics' are a bad thing? I think
he's wrong. 'Criticism', which has of course been
historically defined any number of ways, does all
kinds of different things: but one thing that (for
instance) it can do is to make us see an artefact
differently: to see it more clearly, perhaps; to see
it in a relation to other things that we hadn't
thought of; to get a bit more out of it. Saying that
'critics' are bad because you don't like some
'criticism' is like saying that pop music is bad
because you don't like some pop records.

>>> Most people realize there cannot be objective
standards for music.

Or, I take it, for any other kind of aesthetic
judgement? You may well be right: though even about
this I do not feel sure. However, it is, I think, a
good pragmatic presupposition, which makes it less
likely that you'll cause needless offence.

>>> But the bare fact is that no one is capable of
writing 69 quality songs in that short a span of time.

What span of time? If I'm not mistaken (but I could
easily be mistaken), 'Papa Was A Rodeo' was written
around the time of The Charm of The Highway Strip. In
any case, your case is not proven, and not easily
proveable.

>>> It's all very interesting as a concept but
piss-poor as an album if you ask me. 

I think you are quite, quite wrong: but you have
already pointed out that this is all subjective stuff,
so fair enough.


STRANGE RELIGIOUS TRACTS

Anyway, on to the geezer Fitchett (AF) himself. I
don't really know the geezer; he may be a splendid
soul, generous, funny, intelligent, erudite and all
the rest of it. I expect he won't mind - I daresay he
won't care at all - if I find fault with his work. I
don't care for the style of the thing: I find
sentences like 'Or maybe I am. I have no idea.'
annoyingly slack. This, too: 'it's useful to draw 
parallels because� because� because. Because.' But I
don't want to get bogged down in that marsh, Rodney.
What about the substance (2001)?


- PEOPLE DON'T LISTEN TO FYHCYWLAP ALL THE WAY THROUGH

I find this a perverse line of argumentation indeed.
If AF doesn't like the LP, fine: but he must know that
thousands of people have listened to it all the way
through hundreds of times. I don't like it all equally
(who does? who does with any LP?), but I do find most
of it (I suppose there could be exceptions: 'The
Chalet Lines'?) rather *easy* to listen to. This is
not a criticism: I find Lloyd Cole terribly easy to
listen to. And the question which surely arises is:
how often does anyone listen to 69 Love Songs all the
way through? However much you admire it, you'd have to
set aside three hours of listening time. It's not that
the album doesn't deserve our attention, but that our
time for doing such things doesn't readily come in
three-hour blocks. Anyway, I find the whole 'all the
way through' idea somewhat spurious, for I think
there's a case for *not* listening to things all the
way through. Listening to, say, The Queen Is Dead all
the way through - let alone a Smiths 45s compilation -
you get acclimatized to it, get used to it: its
strange wonders have, perhaps, that bit less effect.
Isn't there a case for listening to songs you really
love *one at a time*, with intervals, not all in a
row?

- MURDOCH SHOULD WRITE EVERYTHING IN B&S

Some agree, some disagree - but this is a very old
chestnut. I think a fresher question might be: what is
the current state of Murdoch's own creative powers?
Imagine that the next B&S LP has 12 songs, 9 by
Murdoch, 3 by 3 other people. If you really don't like
those other songwriters, you can skip them - but the
crucial question for you will be, has Murdoch
delivered the goods on *his own* songs? That's what
will matter most, if said LP ever turns up.

- MAGNETIC FIELDS ARE BETTER THAN BELLE & SEBASTIAN

As it happens, I agree - but are such polarizations,
hierarchies and stand-offs that useful? I also think
that the Beatles were better than the WHO and the
Smiths better than the HOUSE OF LOVE, but I wouldn't
want to be without those 'lesser' outfits. Part of the
fascination of culture is all that proliferation of
variety, of voices which can't help but be different
from one another. And I would never have heard of the
MFs without B&S, anyway.

- STEPHIN MERRITT IS GOD

Believe it or not, I have as high an estimate of
Merritt's songwriting as AF does. But I don't think
that this 'god' stuff is that useful. For one thing,
as another listee has pointed out to me, it has a very
dodgy Rock History (Hendrix, Clapton, etc); but more
generally, it's just so vague, so reach-me-down, as to
be uninformative. Saying that someone's 'god' is a
poor substitute for detailed description and analysis.
Does AF give us those things too? Maybe.

- CLAUDIA GONSON COULDA BEEN A STAND-UP COMEDIENNE

If I'm not mistaken, CG is energetic, garrulous and
very talented. That is not the same as having the
qualities (whatever they may be) required for
stand-up.

- TO HEAR 'ACOUSTIC GUITAR' IS TO HEAR JULIE LONDON

This is a *bit* intriguing, but I'm not quite sure
that I understand it.

- BEGHTOL, KLUTE AND SIMMS SING LIKE ANGELS

I find this a peculiarly unhelpful claim. For one
thing, there is, I think, a vague convention in pop
thinking that 'singing like an angel' means something
like: ethereal; high; dreamy. Examples presumably
include Fraser, Wheeler, Berenyi/Anderson, etc etc.
Now, I admit that this is a limited-looking use for
the term, a mere convention, and perhaps AF is trying
to break out of it, turn the idea of 'singing like an
angel' into something else. But is that worth doing? I
think not, because - like 'god' - it has been so used
and overused that it no longer seems to tell us much.
There are so many *detailed* things that could be said
about the unusual voices of Beghtol and Klute (I think
that AF does quite well on Simms - whose performance
blew me away, and about the spelling of whose name I
am never entirely sure): the 'angel' thing is a clich�
that, once again, substitutes for those details rather
than summarizing them.

- THE NATURE OF POP IS...

The nature of Pop is, according to AF, lots of things,
which may or may not cohere. He frequently gives us
another of Pop's defining characteristics, another
reason why something is untrue to Pop - of which the
most contentious example round here was 'Pop is Not
Democratic', so B&S are bad. Miller says that that's
wrong, because Pop *is* democratic. I think they're
both wrong, because they're both right. It seems to me
very likely that pop music can be, perhaps even should
be, 'democratic' (ie: with creative input from lots of
people) in some cases, 'undemocratic' (ie: dictated by
a single talent) in others. This 'Nature of Pop' stuff
always seems to narrow the field of pop in
unnecessary, indeed illegitimate ways. If I'm not
mistaken, there was a lot of talk about this stuff a
while back - on sinister in the early days (I wasn't
around), on other websites perhaps, at pub tables
where Tim Hopkins had just got a round in, etc.

Beyond the geezer AF, I'm not entirely sure who has
spent a lot of time issuing definitions of The Nature
Of Pop, or whether anybody still does it - though come
to think of it, I seem to have heard Welthorpe do it
occasionally. But despite having no clear target to
aim at, and at the risk of shooting a dead horse, I
submit that 'Nature of Pop' talk can be a mixed
blessing.

- On the one hand, it seems to have released, or
stimulated, a lot of valuable energies: to have got
people thinking seriously about pop music and why and
how they love it; which I cannot think a bad thing. If
the forging of exclusive definitions and rules is what
it takes to get that to happen, so be it.

- But on the other hand, talk of The Nature of Pop
usually seems to amount to saying 'I like this... and
it's Pop', and 'I don't like that... it's not really
Pop'. In a word, it is, of course, an *evaluative*
discourse: but it wears the garb of a merely
*descriptive* one. It seems to me that there's an
unnecessary confusion of language games here. 
Furthermore, reading AF's meditations on Pop made me
imagine coming across a website full of people
earnestly debating whether, ooh, Tony Harrison, Dave
Eggers, Samuel Beckett, John Keats, Laurence Sterne
and John Buchan were !LiTeRaTuRe! or not, formulating
rules for the literary which amounted to jealous
defences of certain authors that they loved, etc. I am
afraid that I would find such a discussion somewhat
absurd, because it would appear that it was wasting
time on these matters of definition, boundaries,
exclusions, etc, rather than simply describing the
pleasurable, treasurable particularities of any number
of instances of the vast and unwieldy field that is
pragmatically called the literary.

Those who have come this far may be glad to hear that
that is, at last, all I have to say; as well as being
roughly, as Raymond Williams used to tell committee
chairmen, what I came to say.


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From Mark at xxx.com  Wed Feb  7 14:55:19 2001
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 14:55:19 -0000 
Subject: Sinister: 30 seconds of orgasmic pop brilliance Vs The Song that Hazlewood 
	Forgot...
Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E22011D3B63@SERVER1>

Brian posited, while lamenting the Duke's tangential philosophising about 69
Love Songs and Fold...:

"So as a result we get joke songs as filler, moments of brilliance and lots
of mediocrity in between."

and...

"I see it as a great shame that such great songs as "Ferdinand de Saussure"
are featured on the same album as "Punk Love.""

Am I the only one who thinks he's got the two albums tragically the wrong
way round?

(The Pinefox then went on to say lots of startlingly brilliant stuff I
didn't have a hope of understanding)

See you next Saturday,
Markx



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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Wed Feb  7 20:29:10 2001
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:29:10 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Admiring The Pinefox
Message-ID: <000001c09144$e5900b00$9153073e@default>

Hi Indie Kids,

"rector [rek't?r],
noun a ruler, governor or controller (obsolete); in the Church of England, a
clergyman of a parish where the tithes are not impropriate; an Episcopal
clergyman with charge of a congregation in the United States or (since 1890)
Scotland; the headmaster of certain schools in Scotland, especially those
called academies; the chief elective officer of many Scottish (Lord Rector)
and foreign universities; a college head (as at Lincoln and Exeter Colleges,
Oxford; Science and Technology, London); an ecclesiastic in charge of a
congregation, an important mission, a college or a religious house,
especially the head of a Jesuit seminary (Roman Catholic)."

"(b) Scot University = person elected by the students to represent them"


According To the Borders (London, Oxford St.) ad, Peacock Johnson (or maybe
Stuart David) will be Appearing There on aPril 19th. Doesn't indicate
whether its a book reading or a Looper gig though. But book your flight from
Canada anyway :)


According to the Angry Tortoise Promoter: "We have sold out of 5 and 8 berth
chalets on the ATP website, the only outlet left with them available is
Ticketline 0161-832-1111. Internet sales of the 4, 6 and 7s are going fast
so don't say I didn't tell ya." So if you're dithering get decisive.


Radio 1 reminders: another Arab sTraP track on Colchester boy Steve Lamacq's
Evening Session (soon) & sodAsTream session rePeated on Peel tonight 22.00
to 00.00 UK time.


Why is Mark comparing his endurance to Beyond The Sunrise?


increAse The Peace,

David Moore
Chelmsford, UK

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From jordiet at xxx.com  Thu Feb  8 00:14:09 2001
From: jordiet at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano)
Date: 8 Feb 2001 00:14:09 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Poco Merritt-o
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From ourpeppermintscene at xxx.com  Thu Feb  8 02:41:45 2001
From: ourpeppermintscene at xxx.com (keith mclachlan)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:41:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: tangents are missed
Message-ID: <20010208024145.4529.qmail@web2304.mail.yahoo.com>

i think that everyone(mick and pf penned the only
missives i read) is missing the point when it comes to
the belle and sebastian v. magnetic fields piece on
tangents.  tangents is the most wonderful site on the
web and in my eyes can do no wrong and this is because
it is a fanzine, highly sophisticated and literate but
still filled mainly with highly emotional thoughts of
passionate fans.  mick attacked it as a critical piece
with arguments against its logic but alistair was once
likely as big or bigger a fan of b&s as anyone here
has been, for me what he succeeds in is explaining his
feelings instead of dictating his "truths" as is often
done on "objective" sites.  AT happens to be obsessed
with stephin merrit at the moment, this is the point
of the article and surely not to diminish belle and
sebastian for anyone else.  i think i might share a
lot of his opinions on pop democracy but maybe i think
, currently, that i harbour stronger feelings for
belle and sebastian than he does.  i email alistair
and thank him for his website and beg him to write the
article about rodney allen he once hinted about and
truly if there were more people like him i would be so
much happier.


keith m

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From spacegirldream3 at xxx.com  Thu Feb  8 04:23:42 2001
From: spacegirldream3 at xxx.com (space girl)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 23:23:42 -0500
Subject: Sinister: nyc band needs drummer
Message-ID: <F21dg29lFF9UBR0pYzS00009615@hotmail.com>

hey everyone,

it's been a while since i've posted, but i thought this would be just the 
place because everyone here obviously likes music.  like the subject line 
says, my band is looking for a drummer in the nyc area, so.....if anyone 
plays the drums and lives around here, please please email me.  thanks a 
lot.

-spacegirl
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From tmalone3 at xxx.net  Thu Feb  8 08:52:25 2001
From: tmalone3 at xxx.net (tmalone3 at xxx.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 00:52:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Emerging from the nursery
Message-ID: <200102080851.IAA27593@missprint.org>

Well, I've been out of the nursery for quite some time now, but I've
been rather busy as of late.  School, work, friends, family, etc... 
But, I've decided that I have waited long enough and must now make my
presence known.  To start with, I'm from the states (the United ones),
specifically, the beautiful city of Seattle.  The home of such things
as Nirvana, Microsoft, and Amazon.com.  I go to the University of
Washington where I'm currently studying nothing in particular.  Great
fun to have no idea what you'll do with your life.  I have a horrid
little job at a local grocery store.  It really isn't that bad, but
today has been rather awful.  Today they were playing some of Amy
Grant's greatest contemporary Christian hits.  There really is nothing
quite like Christian pop music.  I wish they'd play some B&S, or maybe
some My Bloody Valentine, Valentine's day is coming up soon after all. 
I was reminded of this fact the other day when I saw the sweetest,
cutest couple walking down the street.  He was wearing all black
(leather), and so was she, but she had a collar with a chain attached
to it that he was holding.  It made me wish I had someone that special
in my life.  It also gave me a great idea for a line of valentine's day
cards, S&M cards.  With content such as, "I want to dominate you this
Valentine's day", "Shut up and bark valentine", and the timeless, "I
wanna whip you into submission Valentine".  Anyway, I'll go back to
listening to "69 Love Songs" and waiting for my current obsession to
email me.  Thanks for indulging me.

Also, does anybody know if Stuart David's "Peacock Manifesto" will be
released in the states?

-- 
Tim Malone

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From jellybabs at xxx.com  Thu Feb  8 10:08:18 2001
From: jellybabs at xxx.com (Katy Dutton)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 10:08:18 
Subject: Sinister: Struan's rectal challenge.
Message-ID: <F61o6j3wsGSaVkpCCuc000020fc@hotmail.com>

Re subject line: I see the stealth spelling error software is working again.

Well, there he was all wee and strong with his scruffy hair and grey shirt.  
Smiling.  Waving people to "come in, have a seat, if you can find one."  Wee 
Struan.  And there was Geddes, bowl cut and green jacket intact.

The nominator, Daniel Quipp, was handing out iced doughnuts from Safeway 
with B&S badges on the packets. (Where did he get such a surplus of blimmin' 
badges?)

Quick introduction from Messr Quipp (Struan needs an intro?) and Murdoch was 
off, talking about policies and third world hunger and the national debt and 
50m pools out at the Garscube complex in Glasgow.

Na not really, well not the policies and third world hunger bit.

What exactly did he say (for a measely half an hour sans hecklers)?

What does Stuart Murdoch have to offer the students as rector in light of 
the fact that he has dropped out of Uni 3 times?

"Empathy. I came to Uni in 1985 (matric no: 854440) up to the big city and 
got lost in it and basically didn't do any work.  I don't know how student's 
manage it nowadays and I really admire them that stick in and get a degree 
as it is so hard now.  You have to get a part-time job you have no benefits, 
no grants etc.  Then there's making friends.  I didn't have a proper friend 
a Uni till [squints] erm, third year.  Err, I didn't even get to third 
year... I didn't even have a proper friend at uni.  So basically 
understanding and empathy."

Will you be in and around the university much?

"Well, I live just down the road and I normally start my day off in the 
Grosvenor cafe so it won't trouble me any more to stroll another quarter of 
a mile to the rector's office.  The band [do extensive touring and lots of 
sponsoring/leg-work and we're always in the studio - oops sorry.  He really 
said]  The band are going to be a bit more busy this year [hinting at a 
tour, definitely] but when we go away on tour its for no more than 2 weeks 
at a time.  So I can't foresee any problems with my attendance.  Anyway, I 
love using the QM laundry.  I don't have a washing machine in my house, so I 
use the QM laundry sometimes.  Being rector will mean that I don't get the 
usual funny looks whilst doing my washing.  Incidentally, they've got some 
great irons in there [he did actually say this]."

At which point someone asked, in a very quiet voice: "I thought that the 
last rector was basically a bag of shit, will you be any better?"

Struan: "Sorry, I couldn't hear you.  I could have sworn that you said that 
you thought 'the last record was a bag of shit'.  Well, our bassist left the 
band, we had problems in the studio etc."

Voice: "Na, I thought it was alright actually".

Struan: :)

There were lots of stupid questions asked with hardly coherent or cogent 
asnwers so I've edited them out.  I've just provided a para-phrased edited 
highlights, really.


Do I get my Juniour Reporter's Badge now Honey?  Please?


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From howied41 at xxx.com  Thu Feb  8 10:30:27 2001
From: howied41 at xxx.com (David Howie)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 10:30:27 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Struan's rectal challenge.
Message-ID: <LAW2-F29jnzi95HfqR7000098b7@hotmail.com>

Re subject line: I see the stealth spelling error software is working again.

Well, there he was all wee and strong with his scruffy hair and grey shirt.  
Smiling.  Waving people to "come in, have a seat, if you can find one."  Wee 
Struan.  And there was Geddes, bowl cut and green jacket intact.

The nominator, Daniel Quipp, was handing out iced doughnuts from Safeway 
with B&S badges on the packets. (Where did he get such a surplus of blimmin' 
badges?)

Quick introduction from Messr Quipp (Struan needs an intro?) and Murdoch was 
off, talking about policies and third world hunger and the national debt and 
50m pools out at the Garscube complex in Glasgow.

Na not really, well not the policies and third world hunger bit.

What exactly did he say (for a measely half an hour sans hecklers)?

What does Stuart Murdoch have to offer the students as rector in light of 
the fact that he has dropped out of Uni 3 times?

"Empathy. I came to Uni in 1985 (matric no: 854440) up to the big city and 
got lost in it and basically didn't do any work.  I don't know how student's 
manage it nowadays and I really admire them that stick in and get a degree 
as it is so hard now.  You have to get a part-time job you have no benefits, 
no grants etc.  Then there's making friends.  I didn't have a proper friend 
a Uni till [squints] erm, third year.  Err, I didn't even get to third 
year... I didn't even have a proper friend at uni.  So basically 
understanding and empathy."

Will you be in and around the university much?

"Well, I live just down the road and I normally start my day off in the 
Grosvenor cafe so it won't trouble me any more to stroll another quarter of 
a mile to the rector's office.  The band [do extensive touring and lots of 
sponsoring/leg-work and we're always in the studio - oops sorry.  He really 
said]  The band are going to be a bit more busy this year [hinting at a 
tour, definitely] but when we go away on tour its for no more than 2 weeks 
at a time.  So I can't foresee any problems with my attendance.  Anyway, I 
love using the QM laundry.  I don't have a washing machine in my house, so I 
use the QM laundry sometimes.  Being rector will mean that I don't get the 
usual funny looks whilst doing my washing.  Incidentally, they've got some 
great irons in there [he did actually say this]."

At which point someone asked, in a very quiet voice: "I thought that the 
last rector was basically a bag of shit, will you be any better?"

Struan: "Sorry, I couldn't hear you.  I could have sworn that you said that 
you thought 'the last record was a bag of shit'.  Well, our bassist left the 
band, we had problems in the studio etc."

Voice: "Na, I thought it was alright actually".

Struan: :)

There were lots of stupid questions asked with hardly coherent or cogent 
asnwers so I've edited them out.  I've just provided a para-phrased edited 
highlights, really.


Do I get my Juniour Reporter's Badge now Honey?  Please?


David Howie. :)


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From idleberry at xxx.com  Thu Feb  8 12:09:59 2001
From: idleberry at xxx.com (idleberry)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 04:09:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: idleberry gets defensive and confused. "Indie kids"??
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Ooh! This looks like fun. Hating indie kids? Blimey. 

>>1) They like indie music. Obviously.

Define indie music. Can you? I can't. I mean, all I
know, is what I like is plopped into the genre of
indie. But technically speaking, Britney Spears (bless
'er little PVC catsuit) is also indie. Well, shes
signed to an independant label. So are Backstreet
Boys. And I think Jive Bunny was as well. And Sir
Cliff Richard. I don't particularly like these
bands/artists. Although I appreciate that some people
do.  

>>2) Their regulation thick-frame black glasses. No
more breakable item of nosewear has ever been
invented: on slow afternoons I could happily cruise 
the streets for hours walking up to indie kids,lifting
these ridiculous excuses for spectacles from their
filthy-pored noses and breaking them at the bridge.
How the indie kid would howl! Perhaps they would
threaten to "kick my ass". Needless to say all indie
kids have adequate eyesight: any slight impairment of
vision is due entirely to their regime of perpetual 
masturbation.


I have glasses. They aren't particularly thick, but
you know, thick enough I guess. They are dark blue as
well, rather than black. I don't have adequate
eyesight- I am long sighted. So I can see you coming a
mile off, but it gets fuzzy when I read. 
My choice for them was simply cos they made me look
gooood. Without make-up. And with the alternative
choice of those thin wiry frames, or those frames free
ones where the lens sort of sit there in the middle of
your face.. hmm. My nose is not covered in blocked
pores. I have clear gorgeous skin. If you broke them,
I wouldn't howl. I'd probably reclaim on insurance.
Besides which, you over estimate indie kids. They
wouldn't threaten to kick your ass. They would grab
you and give you a chinese burn. 

And whats wrong with masturbating? 'course we do it.
When we do it, we do it good. (I might be speaking for
myself here though.) 

>>3) Indie kids are at it like rabbits. Or want to be.
Scratch any 'community' or 'scene' of indie kids and
you will find a seething cauldron of sexual 
frustration and backstabbing. Most indie kids are vile
to look upon: I think this because I am enslaved by
societal standards of beauty.

At it like rabbits? Yes.
Ugly? No, both me and my boyfriend are the most
gorgeous creatures to behold. We're well fit. ;)  We
wouldn't be shagging each other if we weren't such a
pair of totally sexy beasts.

>>4) Societal standards of anything are bad, pretty
much. Unless it gets you a shag. Or earns you - or
more likely your parents - the vast amount of 
money needed to get through college on some no-mark
computer games degree AND buy a billion useless
identical records.

I'm lost here. Wish I had a billion records.
And what is societal?? Plus, I'm not doing a computer
games degree. As my brother will happily tell you, its
a Mickey Mouse course. 


>>5) On the rare occasions when an indie kid does get
it on it at least distracts them from listening to
indie music. Or making it. All indie kids are in indie
bands.

no, I'm not in an indie band. How about listening to
indie music while you're at it like rabbits? you
forgot that. Singles are good if its a quickie, a nice
long album for well, a long one. If you catch my
drift.

6) Indie is short for independent, because indie kids
are not mainstream. No sir. They are individuals. A
quick look at an indie kid website will reassure you
of that.

Define mainstream. Nice little quote here from
somewhere or other in Norway 
"We are all born originals, but die as copies."

>>7) All indie kids are unique. They are however
looking for other indie kids who are unique in exactly
the same way as them - cool, huh?

Yup, I am unique. I agree. 

8) Among the unique things about indie kids are their
haircuts. The square mainstream observer might mistake
the uniform dyed bobs and crops of indieland as the
sinister hairstyles of a clone army hell-bent on 
taking over teenage america and making it listen to At
The Drive-In. But such an observer would be a fool.
There are crucial differences in the haircuts. 
Some are, like, really expensive.

I dye my hair cos it looks shinier. Its a bob cos its
growing out of its previous cut- psychopathic
day-release girl. The hairdresser said it was funky. 


>>9) Some records are really expensive, too. You must
really love the music to spend $200 on eBay on a
one-sided seven-inch, right? It shows your dedication
to music is for real and unique, like your taste.

If I can get anything cheap, I do. If I can't, I don't
bother. Or I copy it from somewhere. What is eBay? 

>>10) Indie fashions are individual and unique too,
and are marked by the indie kid's strong sense of
irony. For example, a lot of indie kids like wearing
overalls and workshirts as worn by real live working
class 
people. 
As the indie kid finishes a two-hour shift at Border's
they feel solidarity with their working-class brothers
and sisters in the bakeries and pizza delivery
companies all across the nation.

You reckon? I like H+M to be honest. I have never
worked in Borders. 

11) They don't feel solidarity with the suits working
in offices, though. Those people are a plastic fake
herd of manufactured, soulless brainwashed 
lemming robot drone sheep enslaved to mass culture
pap. (This is true, obviously. But sorry, indie kids
are worse.)

Sometimes you can meet "indie kids" in offices too.
Scary, but true. 

12) Not all mass culture is pap, though. Hey! What
about those cool Powerpuff Girls?

Oh come on! They are cool! Don't even go there! Now
you've really really crossed the line. (you also
forgot Cow and Chicken though.)

13) Infantilism is endemic to the indie kids. When was
the last time you heard one of them use the word 'man'
or 'woman'. Nope, it's always 'boys' and 'girls'. Some
girls are 'cute'. Some boys are 'cute' too. The more 
incurable indie kids use the words 'grrrl' and -
shudder - 'boi', for all the world as if they were
living in a Disneyworld 1994 Experience ride 
or fell into a copy of Sassy once and never escaped.


What is Sassy?

14) When indie kids pair off with a cute grrrl or boi
(all indie kids are in theory bisexual, of course.
Just don't ask them to do anything about 
it.) they tend to treat each other like shit and then
write it up on their web pages ("I am SUCH the geek").
This is because they are very sensitive, not as the
casual observer might have guessed because they are
emotional dwarves with no concept of human interaction
outside a fanzine problem page. 
You become sensitive by listening to Belle And
Sebastian a lot.

How does one "become" an emotion? I never became
anything. I stayed me the whole way through. 

>>15) All their records sound the same, due to
influence inbreeding. The gene pool of influences on
indie rock has been shrinking steadily since 1977,
thanks to paranoid scenester tastemaking. The constant
slathering praise directed at the likes of the Get Up
Kids and Sleater-Kinney is the critical 
equivalent of a one-eyed chinless inbred mutant
winning a beauty contest.

I don't think all my records sound the same.

16) Indie kids like experimentation, but not too much
experimentation. They like extremity, but not too much
extremity. They like songs, but they like them to be a
bit shy and fuzzed-up and nervous and not too songish.

Best of all they like bands which sound comfortingly
like the other ones they already know are cool.

I disagree. Sometimes that is the very reason that an
indie kid will hate a band. Cos they sound too much
like a band they like. 

>>17) Of course they listen to other stuff too,
carefully weighing it up for its purity of motive and
general indie-ness. Other genres are assessed with 
a practised eye, and only the records which have the
most spiritual kinship to indie are acceptable - no
attempt is made to take these musics on their 
own terms, since indie is in any case superior.
Eventually a fashionably anti-PC stance allows the
indie kid to reject even bothering with hip-hop or 
dance records - that would after all be 'tokenism'.

What about drum'n'bass? I mean, I know it sort of
surged up a few years ago, then got sent back under
for being too "mainstream" whatever you say, dance
kids are just as capable of looking to the
underground. Well, at least those I know, and they
sneer at the mainstream stuff. Cos thats what indie
kids-trying to be dance kids-listen to.

>>18) The worst thing about indie kids is how apalling
they are at even being indie kids. After idling their
college years going to 'shows' every other day and
then spending two years in retail working on a
screenplay or writing a novel about following a band
or recording a thousand tinny songs on a hundred cheap
cassettes and giving them to people they fancy in the 
hope that a rare Braid EP track might get them a quick
fuck on some other indie kid's sofa and pretending to
like the Spice Girls and pretending to like the 
Magnetic Fields and pretending to like each other -
after all that they suddenly get a job and start
listening to Moby and Aimee Mann. What I 
ask you is the fucking point?

Hmm. The fucking point? You're sentences are too long.
Shorten them. A bit of punctuation would make the
point indeed, easier to understand. You're rant would
be more understandable, if I wasn't getting so lost in
all your NME-style rants. By the time I got to the end
of the sentences, I didn't know what it had started
out like. Reminds me of the days when I started
reading Vox, Select and Melody Maker. Back then, when
that whole shoe-gazer indie was coming out. In order
to sound, well, you know, cool, or whatever, the
writers seemed to give up on the full-stop. It was a
sort of pretend intelligence they had. If you
understood what-on-earth they were going on about, you
were a liar. If you didn't, then, ha ha, you weren't
fit to read whatever it was. 


Now I'm even more uncertain to whether I am or am not
an indie kid. Any suggestions?

Answers on a postcard please to the usual e-mail.

Cheers,
Idles.





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From belle_sebastian at xxx.br  Thu Feb  8 14:25:45 2001
From: belle_sebastian at xxx.br (Leonardo Pereira)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:25:45 GMT-3
Subject: Sinister: Hello
Message-ID: <3a82ac69.23d9.0@brfree.com.br>

Hello Everybody,

This is my first post after being on the nursery reading all of your messages
for weeks.
I don't know how to start this so let me introduce you.
My name is Leonardo (Leo) and I'm from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
I spend most of the time here at work and here's where I read all of the mails
as I work with computers all day long.

Well, I have a few questions to ask but I won't ask them all right now.
- Which albums from Future Pilot AKA, Hefner and Bill Wells have members from
B+S?

That's it. Later I'll ask more.

Cheerio,
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From shewitt at xxx.uk  Thu Feb  8 14:32:46 2001
From: shewitt at xxx.uk (Stephen Hewitt)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:32:46 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Will the real Tom Ewing please stand up? 
Message-ID: <3A82AE0E.4419D44C@ruskin.ac.uk>

hey babies

long time no type, due to much work
rubbish and being told off for reading
personal mails in work time...

sigh

anyway, what an exciting list we're
having at the moment, what with struan
doing stuff, peacock bloke doing stuff,
the duke doing stuff (incidentally i
searched the archives for "undemocratic"
and got no responses, which was a
shame), and The PF sending 16k posts.

I must say rector sounds like a job just
up Struan's alley, especially if he can
do his washing without fear of being
kicked out.

I read the duke's piece last nite and i
think i agree with just about everything
that PF said.

One thing that did grab me from the
piece was the stuff about crying when
you hear music.  Now i can honestly say
that no piece of music has ever done
that to me, but i don't think that i
have any less of a grasp of the music or
even the emotional weight of it, but
when other ppl talk about music having
this effect on them it makes me feel
like i'm missing something.  Maybe my
upper lip is just too stiff...

Still no news on whether Peacock will be
visiting Oxford or not, obviously all
welcome if he does :)

Also still no news on whether
Cassarotter wants to have his wicked way
with me, NO NO, SORRY, nite out in Ox
with me (that's better) that he won in
the auction.

So are Tangents and Freaky Trigger the
NME and MM of the 00s, and if so which
is which?

xoxo
CarsmileSteve
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From jaffa_cakes at xxx.com  Thu Feb  8 14:52:41 2001
From: jaffa_cakes at xxx.com (Pamela Tait)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 06:52:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Will he bring back the belt?
Message-ID: <21166817.981643961749.JavaMail.imail@swirly>

Hiya

Well, Stuart Murdoch is a candidate for Rector at Glasgow University. What
on earth is going on in the world?!?! Okay, so it's nearby, but whatever
happened to the proud 'Study At Stow' slogan once printed on B&S t-shirts?
Mind you, I'm just jealous cos I don't study there and all my death-metal
loving friends do. You can mail him at [stuart at popmusician.co.uk] but only
if you're asking about his aims and promises as Rector. If you bug him about
B&S, he might get cross and say 'bumcheeks' or something. My death-metal
friend said she saw him in the cafeteria and he looked 'gangly' but
'friendly'.

Um. My toilet floods the shop downstairs whenever it's flushed. 

*gawd* that guy Trey on 'Sex and The City' is Agent Cooper from Twin Peaks.
I used to really fancy him. I still do, but only in Twin Peaks. He's a
minger in Sex and The City.

Right, well, I hope you are all safe and well.

Take care.

Pamela
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From: vodkabird at xxx.com (vodkabird at xxx.com)
Date: 8 Feb 2001 13:02:29 -0500
Subject: Sinister: There's a place where the strange ones go
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From pihkalboy at xxx.com  Thu Feb  8 19:06:12 2001
From: pihkalboy at xxx.com (pihkal boy)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 19:06:12  0000
Subject: Sinister: Re: Funkadelic
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Jordi writes: 
>I saw some vinyls of Funkadelic yesterday on a local record shop. Can anyone point me the names of some of their best albums ??? I4m becoming black, me and also Rosseta, my dear cat. I4m not painting her, don4t worry ;) 

I write:
Funkadelic, yeah, great, yeah. I have their album "One Nation Under A Groove". I think you want that one. I think that because every Funkadelic song I've ever heard of is on it: 'One Nation Under A Groove' (to become the US National Anthem after the Revolution), 'Whosaysajazzbandcantplayrockmusic' (or whatever it's called), and, as a special bonus track, a live version of 'Maggot Brain'. Those three songs are brilliant. Especially 'Maggot Brain', it just goes on and on and on and is like some wigged out version of the blues. 

You may remember Air (French Band) finished their set with it when they were touring, in the past.

this Funkadelic article was in the Onion: http://www.theonion.com/onion3104/mothership.html . You've probably all read it.

this is my first post. I've been lurking for ages, wishing I was cool enough to join the in-kids. I was going to mail in a tiresome piece about how I got into B&S, but somehow never had the time. I'll probably never mail again.

This is what I look like when I've finished drunkenly DJing at a friend's party: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~sboyle/2000/IanMoore,RaveVicar.jpg

Best wishes.

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From jmk43 at xxx.edu  Thu Feb  8 18:17:20 2001
From: jmk43 at xxx.edu (jmk43 at xxx.edu)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:17:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: I'd like to hear from side show mel
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someone has touched a sensitive subject with me, kyle maclaughlin, the guy 
who plays agent cooper is the best. twin peaks was the best for obvious 
reasons, ie midgets. but kyle maclaughlin was the best cause he was in 
dune.  i dont care if people say dune is a freaky cult movie because it 
had patrick stewart in it and sting. ive found that if you want to get a 
girl to watch dune with you, you just say, "it has sting naked in it" and 
she'll watch it with you. and i think everyone can agree with me that 
patrick stewart is the greatest guy ever to say words, with his only 
competition being james earl jones.  
this reminds me of a time i gave a guy two condoms. it was two weeks ago 
at a supervisor meeting. let me paint the picture for you.  there is this 
boy named jon melnick and he went to my elementary school and I havent 
seen him since 5th grade then he ends up going to the same college as me 
and working at the same place. so now we are both 
supervisors, and i borrowed his pen. at this meeting he asked for it back 
and i went to go get it from my car.  when i returned, rather than giving 
him his pen, i gave him two condoms and said, "there you go, theres your 
pen."  he looked at me with a nasty look and said, "give me my pen."  i 
said, "i just did."  he persisted, "GIVE ME MY PEN!" i respond, "you mean 
thats not your pen? how is that possible?" and it went on for a while 
until i ultimately gave him his pen. heres the funny part, only a few 
people noticed this interaction and even less understood what i was doing 
and laughed. jon ended up putting the condoms in the middle of the table, 
and we proceeded with the meeting.  no one seemed to notice and the 
entire meeting went on with memos and minutes and what not while two 
condoms remained smack in the middle of the table.
i hope stuart gets to be rector. rector? i nearly killed her!
in retrospect, i wish i was gay.
-jer

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-annie, Twin Peaks
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From room_30 at xxx.com  Thu Feb  8 20:00:50 2001
From: room_30 at xxx.com (chris perriman)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:00:50 -0000
Subject: Sinister: blast lazers with new music phasers operate to the max
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in european american yugoslavian side effects become standard advancing 
alternating all beyond music time moogs and oberheims yamahas and dx sevens 
from canada to the netherlands russian activity in the city G is also of a 
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well hello there






speaking of people from other shows on sex and the city, the main character 
(is it carrie, i don't watch it, honest)' s boyfriend used to be chris in 
the morning from northern exposure, i used to love that when i was younger. 
that and cheers *was* friday night when i was 11.

***************************************

the obviously gorgeous little miss kittenmouse said
'www.kpsu.org (that's where you can listen to the show, mondays 8-10 pm
pacific standard time) '

but when's that in gmt?, i dont know these things, could somebody tell me as 
i'd love to tune in, it sounds great

***************************************

Robin Stout said
'The only record I've ever seen the "Home Taping Is Killing Music"
logo on was a record of Cockney singalong classics. Maybe they
considered themselves a vulnerable part of the market.'

i have a record with one of these on, ironically it's a cheap 1983 jimi 
hendrix cash-in compilation so i wonder how much jimi actually made from 
that? hmm?
also thingie from travis has a t-shirt with the logo on it, i think he wore 
it at glasto.

don't you hate it when they spell it 'tee shirt' or say 'tonite' or 'thru', 
it's just poor grammar and laziness

***************************************

i heard sigur ros on channel 5 ad for crime week or some such channel 5 pap, 
svefn-g-englar i think the track was but i was pleasantly surprised to hear 
their lovely sounds coming from ch 5 of all places|

***************************************

secret agent mikey wubbleyou said somethin along the lines of:-

'So, bye for now, and much jealousy to those in the North (that means you,
Pez) and your 'snow''

but even though the surrounding countryside of durham and northumberland and 
even newcastle were snowed in, out on the coast we had none, just a bit of 
rain and lots of wind.  the only snow i encountered was on saturday morning 
anter spending the night in whitley bay, fighting through near horizontal 
snow which whipped at the face like...  well...  small, cold, numerous whips 
and it made the right side of my face go RED and it really hurt and i had to 
sit on a cold metro in my damp clothes for an hour to get home and then a 20 
minute walk up a hill from the metro station to my home, not fantastic but i 
luckily didn't have a hangover from the 3/4 of a bottle of vodka the night 
before.
but on to nicer things...

***************************************

Iain Radcliffe ssid
'Do any more experienced flare-wearers have any advice for a mere novice, or
is the dragging on the floor like, the whole point? If you have an answer,
please noify me by sending up a flare. '

of course the dragging on the floor is the whole point, it's the individual 
raggines of each trouser that holds the appeal.  or you could just fold op 
the trailing edge inside the trouser leg and hold it in place with a safety 
pin but that's for girls.

***************************************

i just seem to be replying to other people's posts but as i hadn't checked 
my inbox for a few days and came back to 107 new e-mails (not all sinister 
ones mind you, only about 95 percent) i have spent the last 2 days reading 
and making notes of who to talk about, so here's another:-

Archel mumbled something about her tattoo* and mix tapes**

*  you never told us what the tattoo actually is and i was dying of 
anticipation when you said you were having one, then you told us you got it, 
and then nothing.  i mean come on that's just not fair

** what's her name, can't remember it, ranty girl, left in a huff after 
honey actually *didn't* slap her wrist, you know who i'm going on about, 
damn delete button.  anyway.  whever it is i'm talking about was organising 
a tape tree wasn't she? or was that someone else?  well i was really looking 
forward to that so as archel was the last to mention mix tapes i nominate 
her to become the new tape tree organiser
up to it are you? or are you just chicken?

or if someone else wants to do it feel free but it was a good idea so 
somebdy should claim responsibility yes/no?

***************************************

did anybody hear arab strap do the sugababes song 'new year' in a session 
for lamacq (or was it peelie) the other night?  with backing vox from lauren 
laverne and aidan speaking the vocals which made it sound really odd, like 
sugababes on ketamine or something, and malcom playing slide bass guitar and 
a drum machine clanking along
it was fantastic
or flanplastic (toy quiche)

***************************************

my posts never have the profoundness (is that a word, or should it be 
profanity) of alot of the writers here on sinister acheive but to paraphrase 
johnny rotten i don't care. i just keep writing them poorly and hope no-one 
notices.

enough of me, the next post's a cracker
go on, have a look it's just sitting waitin' for ya
seeya
pez*




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used to come up to me, poking me in the ribs and cackling,
telling me, 'You're next.'......
   --- They stopped that crap after I started doing the same thing to them
at funerals."
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From paul.rudolph.b at xxx.com  Thu Feb  8 20:03:12 2001
From: paul.rudolph.b at xxx.com (paul.rudolph.b at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:03:12 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Fried Ice Cream is a Reality
Message-ID: <OFF2EC5971.E4BF626D-ON852569ED.006D1476@pitts.bayer.com>

Ahem,

I don't know about you, but I'll take Funkadelic over Magnetic Fields
anyday!

Sample some lyrics of a fantastic song (please excuse the indulgence,
but I love these lyrics):

"Promentalshitbackwashpsychosisenemasquad (The DooDoo Chasers)

by George Clinton

The world is a toll-free toilet
Our mouths neurological assholes
And psychologically speaking
We're in a state of mental diarrhea
Talking shit a mile a minute
Or in a state of constipated notions
Can't think of nothin' but shit
And in this world of
Stinky futures, shitty memories and
Constipated 19 now-nows
Emerges from the hiney of your head
The doo doo chasers,
The Promentalshitbackwashpsychosisenemasquad
The prune juice of the mind
The doo doo chasers
Friends of roto-rooter
Bringing you music to get your shit together by
The band in the tidy bowl of your brain
(What was that long word again-Promental?)

A musical bowel movement
Designed to rid you of moral diarrhea
Social bullshit
Crazy do-loops
Mental poots

They call us the unflushables
One swipe a clean wipe
(Go flush it, fellas)

And what causes all of this shit?
What is the source of food for thought?
Ego-munchies
Images doggie bags
Me burger with I sauce on it
Me burger with I sauce on it
A myself sandwich
A personal burger
Hamburger
And a glass of constricted cola
Out to lunch with lunch meat
The fear of being eaten by the sandwich
The Promentalshitbackwashpsychosis-----
The doo doo chasers
Friends of roto-rooter
Music to clean your shit by

Low calorie logic
Muscle brain
Skinny brain

Count the calories of your thoughts
Funk, Confucius says
Like Chinese laxatives
Sweet and sour bowel movements
And in this world of stinky memories
Shitty futures
19 now nows-constipated-like
The prune juice of the mind
The band in the tidy bowl of your brain
Bringing you music to clean your shit by

Funk, the P-Preparation
The mental musical bowel movement
Groovalax
One swipe a clean wipe
And with no extra charge
A psychological trend
A neurological enema
Holy Shit
(let me try one-crap)
Corpolite
Prehistoric doo doo
Helping you get your shit together

Backstage at a Funkadelic rehearsal
We bring you the doo doo chasers
(Which one is George Clinton?)
Out to lunch with lunch meat, once again
The fear of being eaten by a sandwich
Lunchville
Where lunch is a nice time of day
At least twice a week

Fried Ice Cream is a reality

(Which one is George Clinton?)

Fried Ice Cream is a reality
Guess who's coming to lunch
I'm not gonna pay for this lunch, man!

Fried Ice Cream is a reality!
Fried Ice Cream is a reality!
Fried Ice Cream is a reality!

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From jules at xxx.cx  Thu Feb  8 20:21:49 2001
From: jules at xxx.cx (Julie)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:21:49 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Put your finger on a map, and that's where I am
Message-ID: <002b01c0920c$c6b83e00$4e1ba5d8@nyu.edu>

There are some things that people said, and I thought I should say some
things back.
First oooooooon said some things about MC Hammer and:
" the first time i saw this extra 4
on the weighter i thought the weighter was broke
and cruelly lying. "
Oh Oon, I love you.  So what do you weigh now, like, 12 kg?  I don't know
how much a kg is, being American and therefore not up with metricity, but
Oon is very very small.
Next, Mark Casarotto mentioned orgasms in his subject line, which was funny
because the evening before I'd had a very naughty dream in which Mark
Casarotto appeared. I can not reveal further details, but my lit teacher's
obsession with psychoanalysis has caused me to think more about this Dirty
Dream #1 as it were than I'd care to.  I think there were also grasshoppers
involved.  But not in the way that the girl on Temptation Island grabbed
that poor butterfly and rubbed its little helpless flapping body all over
her own.  No, not that way at all.  On another Casarotto note, I saw a bit
of Bob the Builder this morning on Nickelodeon and was a little disappointed
that they had dubbed in American accents.  Is the Bob the Builder song
headed for the top of the charts in America?  CAN HE FIX IT?  No...I don't
think so. Our sense of irony is not as keen as that of the Brits.
Also, there was some discussion of the anti-indie kid diatribe that was
posted to the list a while ago.  I'm sure it was pointed out before that
this list was made by actual indie kids.  You did realize that right?
C'mon, where's your sense of self-loathing, you corduroy clad bastards??
Then some guy from Cornell mentioned Twin Peaks and Kyle Maclachlan.  Pass
the mic please, Laura Llew, can I get a WHAT WHAT?!  Yeah, I love it when
Twin Peaks is discussed on the list.  I wish there were more Buffy
discussion, now.
I went to the UK a few weeks ago.  While there, I attended Trousers' New
Year's Drunken Eve bash, which I think was probably THE sinister bash of the
year so far.  Well it is only February.  But it was k-rad, thanks Trousers
and Mr Hopkins and Sez.  And thanks to all you other listees that were nice
to me and/or played DDR with me.  Especially PRINCESS HONEY who wanked with
me and Martin and Marie.  Not LITERALLY, honey's too demure for that.
I went to Glasgow again and didn't see any members of Belle & Sebastian
again which leads me to believe that they DON'T REALLY LIVE THERE and it's
all just a big fat rumor.  I never meet any pop stars!  Except Gav who let
me sleep on his floor.
On another B&S note, I was in an internet cafe in Stockholm and heard
FISHYCLAP being played.  I asked the people behind the desk where there were
good record stores and they told me about one except I got there and it was
sort of not very good.  Obviously, Sweden is just not indie enough for me.
Or am I too indie for Sweden?  Did I use the I word again?
Later in Stockholm I heard the Latvian Eurovision 2000 entry being played at
an ice skating rink.  If my star should fall, or disappear at all...that
Latvian man had scary eyes.
This is a load of cack.  Don't forget to watch Survivor tonight!

xoxo
Julie

PS to The PF: About Martin being embroiled in a heterosexual
relationship...I have no idea what you're talking about.

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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Thu Feb  8 20:07:25 2001
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 20:07:25 -0000
Subject: Sinister: What's On The Box?
Message-ID: <000e01c0920a$cc9021a0$287101d5@default>

Hi All,

Firstly apologies for my cock-up over radio session dates last night:
Sodastream are of course on tonight. Supply your own reasons for my
stupidity.


UK Channel 4 teletext has gone a bit Belle and Sebastian crazy:
Planet Sound (p451-7) quotes rectorial candidate Stuart Murdoch as saying
the band will release 2 singles in Spring and will definitely tour to
promote them. "I'd say the singles sound poppy, though I guess what sounds
poppy to us may sound dross to others" also "We're working on a film
soundtrack too, for an American director, but I can't say who"

They promise a full interview with him next week.

Cuter by far though was his entry in The Void (p452-1):
"Could you say Hello to my dad for me on The Void? He's always reading
Teletext and it would make his day.

Whenever I go back home, my dad and I watch The Void together. He gets me in
trouble, because he's always saying things like "I see that band The Verve
are getting popular, son, can you not try to sound more like them?" Thanks
if you can help."

Bless.


Bye,

David Moore
Chelmsford, UK

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Thu Feb  8 20:34:24 2001
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:34:24 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Putting Damp Trunks Back On
Message-ID: <003801c09212$d061a260$1a5e243e@itjfvkli>

I feel really sorry for Stuart Murdoch for not having any proper friends at
university. I didn't have any proper friends at university either. And
neither did any of my proper friends. It was terrible, we all used to sit
around supporting each other through the traumatic experience of not having
any proper friends.

Those interested in rectorial duties should point their browser at:
http://www.src.gla.ac.uk/rector
and if they are tooled up with Acrobat, directly at:
http://www.src.gla.ac.uk/rector/rector_role.pdf
where all will be revealed. The most interesting thing from our point of
view is the frightening fact that the rector has a full-time secretary,
Noreen Jennings. The role of rector appears to call for more than "empathy
and understanding". I doubt our candidate has read it, to be honest.

Always keen for a bit of rough and tumble with the Pinefox, I went back for
a go on the Lloyd Cole listening post. It was the same result as before, No
More Love Songs well out in front, with a late challenge from the last song.
I didn't have the patience for Vin Ordinaire to get going, so that might be
another contender. I did notice at least two references to LA and one to
Amsterdam, where Lloyd famously once spent a lost weekend in a hotel, of
course. I must admit that one thing did slightly raise my hackles. Lloyd
sings, "she called collect," when surely "she reversed the charges" would
have been more appropriate for someone from Derbyshire. But overall it
sounded like a good album, although I got a bit bored by the end. I think
this shows one of the basic problems with listening posts, we expect instant
gratification, and it's all too easy to press the skip button, or
accidentally lean on the bit where the headphones rest when not in use. And
they don't let you listen to the whole song. Not a good way to form a
judgement. Better to take a risk, I think.

I also had another go on the Magnetic Fields listening post, getting as far
as Love Song number 10 this time. They were all absolute shit, I certainly
couldn't tell which ones were jokes and which ones weren't, unless a badly
played banjo indicates humourous intent. No one sang like an angel. Everyone
sang like indie rockers. The tunes were appallingly leaden. Amazon.co.uk
have chosen it as one of their Valentine's Day recommended gifts. I foresee
many broken romances.

What I like most about Tangents is that it's the only place where I can read
middle-aged men showing off about getting free records. There's an excellent
example at the moment, in Duke's article about Limp Biscuit. It's
particularly good because he follows it up with a reminder that we mortals
have to pay money for records, like the sad sacks of arse that we are. I
think the Duke talks a lot of shite, but I really miss him when he
disappears for a few weeks. He is our friend. Tangents is like his spiritual
autobiography disguised as a hip Sunday supplement.

I wish I got free records :-(

Sister Disco

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From ian_pompy at xxx.com  Thu Feb  8 22:23:27 2001
From: ian_pompy at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Ian=20Long?=)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:23:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: New singles and a tour!!!
Message-ID: <20010208222327.23783.qmail@web614.mail.yahoo.com>

 I read on teletext today that Stuart Murdoch said
that B+S would be releasing 2 new singles in the
spring, and that they would be 'poppy', what ever that
means.  He also stated that the band would be touring
to supportn these new releases.  I'm sure most of you
have already heard this news, but I thought I'd post
it just in case.

Cheers for reading,
Ian

'Its my underfelted lucky charm,
Its a lot more lucky than my lucky barn,
Its my lucky carpet.'
Vic an' Bob 
 


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From ryanbthat at xxx.com  Thu Feb  8 23:48:15 2001
From: ryanbthat at xxx.com (Rinaldo Thatchez)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 15:48:15 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Geographically challenged
Message-ID: <LAW2-F15jV3xHNOzd5i000054fe@hotmail.com>

In their (your) time of elation, I just want to take a moment to see if I 
can wring a little bit of sympathy out of the U.K. members of the list.

Yes it is incredible news about the singles and the tour but not for all of 
us.  I've drawn up some rough figures to illustrate why.

Chances of the singles being released in the US (in a timely fashion): 1 in 
5

Chances of the tour crossing over to the US: 1 in 100

Chances of the tour making it all the way over to the west coast: 1 in a 
number with lots and lots of zeros

Please remember to take time out from your squeals of pleasure to observe a 
moment of silence for the geographically challenged. 'Cos moments of silence 
are all we seem to have. (sniff)

Enviously yours,

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From MIWinship at xxx.com  Fri Feb  9 00:57:35 2001
From: MIWinship at xxx.com (MIWinship at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:57:35 EST
Subject: Sinister: "There was a fish in the perculator"
Message-ID: <bc.101e2f92.27b49a7f@aol.com>

<<if you want to get a 
girl to watch dune with you, you just say, "it has sting naked in it" and 
she'll watch it with you.>>

Are you absolutely sure? I can't imagine that working on anyone. I'm fairly 
sure he's not actually naked, either. Just in a big nappy that makes him fly. 
Or something. Most 'chyx' would be more interested in Patrick Stewart, I'm 
sure, and the rest of us sad David Lynch fans can go "Look! There's Big Ed".

Do they have Teletext outside the UK? I miss the old Ch4 Oracle pop pages. 
They really liked Catherine Wheel, if I recall.

Pez: I'd take having half my face whipped red-raw by a blizzard then a wet 
Metro home over a drizzly, grey Thursday afternoon and rats* on the Jubilee 
line platform of Westminster tube anyday. 
(*very small ones, might even have been mice, but still...)

Coming full circle: There really hasn't been a TV series as good as Twin 
Peaks since, has there? (The Simpsons doesn't count. It's the reason 
television was invented).


Mike.
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From ppyrrjs at xxx.uk  Fri Feb  9 20:41:39 2001
From: ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:41:39 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Page the Oracle
Message-ID: <3A837503.29498.13C88EF4@localhost>

Hello

I went to see Stephen Merritt do an acoustic set of his songs once, 
because I heard he was good. He was really very smug and ironical. 
I don't like him very much.

On the bus to Birmingham, where we saw him, there was an old man 
who had been shopping for eggs. He was very frail and seemed like 
the sort of chap who doesn't go to the shops very often except to 
buy his monthly supply of eggs. He pressed the bell and stood up, 
then somehow he managed to stagger about the bus and drop his 
eggs everywhere. It was pretty embarrassing. "Oooh, me eggs" he 
cried. So we helped him out and mopped up the mess with Magnetic 
Fields flyers. So in a way, despite the fact that I don't like him very 
much, Mr Merritt helped to rescue a poor old man's pride.

David and Struan both mentioned the wonder of Teletext. My sister 
and I always used to read Teletext, or Oracle as it was then, when 
we came home from school. There used to be a teenager's section 
with a letters page, advice page, "Debbie's Diary", and the 'world's 
only Teletext soap opera', "Park Avenue". It was great. I thought it 
was very futuristic. Although it's hopelessly outmoded nowadays, 
with its two letter sizes and five colours, and letters that disappear 
when your telly's not tuned in properly, Teletext still makes me feel 
like I'm living in the Space Age.

Robin x
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From lucyalder at xxx.com  Fri Feb  9 13:45:47 2001
From: lucyalder at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucy=20Alder?=)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 05:45:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister:  Ne bouges pas, ou je te brule!
Message-ID: <20010209134547.7489.qmail@web1611.mail.yahoo.com>

Stop it!  No more talk of naked Sting!  It's not a nice thing to think
about, especially combined with the knowledge that he can keep 'it' up for
three hours.  I mean, is that really necessary?  Maybe he learnt how to
perform this feat as a trick to impress Trudie, without comprehending
there was a likelihood she'd end up with a nasty case of cystitis. 
Whatever, spare my delicate sensibilities and let this be the end of the
thread, please!

I think that Peacock Johnson chap is as soft as fluff.  Anyone with that
much of a potty mouth can't be kosher.  It's not the shouty, sweary ones
you have to watch out for, not the ones in the ludicrous Hawaiian shirts,
it's the ones with 100% genuine mad staring eyes like these that put the
fear in me...  http://chopper_read.tripod.com/   

After I went to see the film Chopper, I went around telling my mates it
was about Chopper Harris, not realising my mistake until a 'friend' pissed
himself laughing at me.  Are Ron 'Chopper' Harris' eyes as wild as Mark
'Chopper' Read's?  Of course, anybody who witnessed the footie at the
Greenwich picnic last summer knows that neither of them can match the
sheer brutality of Mark 'Chopper' Casarotto.

Oooooh, Miss Shivers mentioned a Gilbert and left his name dangling
tantalisingly in the air until her next post.  I wonder if he'll be
anything like Gilbert Blythe.  Mmmmm, Gilbert Blythe, Avonlea dreamboat. 
I am eternally grateful to Lucy Maud Montgomery for writing Anne of Green
Gables.  Time was I couldn't put the book down.  I read it over and over
and wished and wished for red hair and puffed sleeves and for Gilbert
Blythe to rescue me from drowning in the Lake of Shining Waters and to put
his hand on my cheek and call me Carrots in soft and tender tones.  Swoon!

Rather a long time ago (but it's been ages since my last post) somebody
talked about street names.  Last week, I walked down Crutched Friars and
Savage Gardens in the space of five minutes.  Aren't London street names
great?

Can anybody recommend to me some things to do in Denver?  I'm going there
next week.  Please note that jokes about doing things in Denver when
you're dead have already been done to, um, death.  Thank you.

Juicy Lucy

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From ruvi at xxx.com  Fri Feb  9 15:16:17 2001
From: ruvi at xxx.com (Ruvi Simmons)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:16:17 -0000
Subject: Sinister: In memory of Phyllis Pierce.
Message-ID: <004d01c092ab$41686f00$6700000a@infotrek.co.uk>

No doubt to the eternal joy of all the unfortunate individuals who have been
receipt of the other missives I have penned, this one is going to be
uncommonly short. I just thought, in the spirit of reminiscences regarding
Teletext, I would mention a hitherto neglected page: Sam Brady's television
reviews. I checked recently and was overjoyed to see that it stil existed,
having been going since the days when I was an overweight child sitting on a
mis-shapen sofa that overlooked and untended back garden in Hemel Hempstead.
It still contains a picture of him with a moustache that makes his upper lip
look as if it is home to a well-tended hedgerow. He always looks beligerant,
and writes pseudo-witty comments on the goings on in Coronation Street,
London's Burning and Eastenders. Sort of like an academic of television
culture crossed with Gary Bushell. Even more shocking is that the blocky
image of him on the Teletext page is in fact an exact likeness of the
individual, who REALLY exists. Yes, human beings are working somewhere in
the bowels of Television Centre, scribbling away for Teletext. It isn't
merely the product of some enormous ticker tape computer with whirring cogs
and sinister intentions.

On an entirely different subject, and the real reason I am writing this, I
was wondering if anybody went to Edinburgh University, because I was
thinking of applying. Is it good? Is the city nice? Does it have a good
English department? That's it, really. I have a propensity towards lengthy
goodbyes in which I try and inject a bit of difference and peculiar
interest, but, to save your fair eyes from any further trouble and to free
just a little bit of time for you to do other things, I shall restrain
myself. Spend it well. Read a poem, sing, go to the cinema (an Ingmar
Bergman penned film just came out!) or do any number of other life-affirming
things.

Ruvi.


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From jono427 at xxx.net  Fri Feb  9 16:22:52 2001
From: jono427 at xxx.net (John Maxwell)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:22:52 +0000 (GMT+00:00)
Subject: Sinister: de toutes mes jupes, celle-ci me va la mieux
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From trishdelish at xxx.com  Fri Feb  9 19:56:29 2001
From: trishdelish at xxx.com (Trish Brazil)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 19:56:29 +0000
Subject: Sinister: in fear of the dreaded honey-monster....
Message-ID: <629E1F386AEF4D115A550005B8AC936C@trishdelish.ireland.com>

oh dear

first post nerves (i imagine it must be terrible boring for old-timers to read so many of these 
"coming out" stories, but that's really not going to stop me i'm afraid)

you see, honey just gave me a voice, but warned me to check all these different things to 
make sure i'm not BREAKING THE RULES when i post, and the bit that's got me stumped is 
all this emailing in plain-text nonsense - being totally ignorant of such techno malarkey i shall 
drivel on and hope that somehow, somewhere one of you might one day read this......

all of which is a dreadfully longwinded way of introducing myself - hi there, i'm trish, i'm in 
dublin and have been reading sinister for about 2 months now, but only got up the guts to join 
recently, mostly because i was *dying* to add my puny voice to the whole magnetic fields live 
debate, but like so much of my life, the moment has passed so all i'll say on that one is that i 
saw them here in dublin, and thought it would quite likely make my best-of-2001 list. so there.

otherwise, in terms of content, i have a bit of a story i could share you that's relevant to 
rinaldo's (sp?) geographically challenged situation......i spent the summer in san francisco, 
and as some of you may remember, a certain band we all know and love were due to tour a 
recently released album around that time. one night, in a bit of a manic mood - happens quite 
often - i emailed the band at the address on the myspace.co.uk site, and asked if there was 
any chance at all that they might just make it to the west coast of america, cos it would just 
kill me to miss them in dublin...

lahdiblah, long story getting longer, neil robertson mailed me back and told me what a lucky 
girl i was - although it wasnt actually confirmed, he could tell me that B&S were playing in san 
francisco itself on june 21st, but i had best get tix organised early as they were likely to sell 
out very fast, the band being very popular there...

well i just flew home that night to share the news with my mate who was going to S.F. too, he 
being the one who introduced me to the band, and two happy bunnies were we......

til we found out it had all been a big fat lie that is......all of a sudden the band said "no 
concerts", and that was that.

i tell you, it was almost enough to make me hate them

(only almost, mind)

ok, that's really too long already i know, i do hope some of you make it to the end of this.
if you really hated this, let me know and i'll shuffle off back to the nursery with my head in my 
hands,
trish

ps only joking honey - i think you're fab.....please dont be cross!!

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From wpsalt at xxx.com  Fri Feb  9 20:07:23 2001
From: wpsalt at xxx.com (Will Salt)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 20:07:23 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: In memory of Phyllis Pierce.
In-Reply-To: <004d01c092ab$41686f00$6700000a@infotrek.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102091937270.12560-100000@candle.btinternet.com>

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Ruvi Simmons wrote:

> On an entirely different subject, and the real reason I am writing this, I
> was wondering if anybody went to Edinburgh University, because I was
> thinking of applying. Is it good? Is the city nice? Does it have a good
> English department?

I went to Edinburgh University.  I graduated, but I'm still at it, mostly
because i don't want to either move house or get a proper job.  it's
reasonable, as universities go, but i have nothing to compare it with.
According to rumour and constant press releases, it's almost bankrupt.

Every morning i push books around the university library, and every
afternoon i try to think of something to say about the archaeology of
North-West Scotland.  We have lots of English books, which is probably a
good thing.  We have nowhere to put them all, actually; one of my jobs is
to push them round and try to make them fit.  There are lots of copies of
Jurassic Park.  Is that good or bad, then?  You can spot the arts-faculty
students at twenty paces, just by the way they dress.

That could be the jumping-off point for another
"why-i-don't-like-x-random-group-of-people" posts, but i can't be arsed.
Someone else can fill that bit in.  Ken's one was good, partly because it
was both funny *and* true.

We should start a charity, you know, for star-crossed lovers who live at
opposite ends of their continents, across oceans, and suchlike.  Rattle
our buckets to raise them the air fare, penny by penny.  They deserve it.
People who ask for the money will be turned away; we shall hand the
tickets out to people who look or speak in the suitable manner.  By their
words we shall know them.  I've already spotted a few about the place, you
know.  Miss Crush just isn't *enough* for these people.

Edinburgh is a nice city, i suppose.  the only other place i've ever lived
is Grimsby, which doesn't really compare even though i think i can see
beauty in its fog and low buildings.  edinburgh had hills, cliffs, gorges
and tall bridges.  it is beautiful all over, too.  i can see a panorama of
the city on a february afternoon, with all the buildings fading into
themselves save for the spires of St. Mary's Cathedral.  on the other side
of the firth, there is snow on the hills.  the city smells of beer, as
usual.

at least if you do english at edinburgh (or archaeology, for that matter),
you can avoid the scientists, who have all their own theatres, labs and
libraries.  It's rumoured that the Physics Department many years ago
enslaved a beautiful princess and keep her chained in the bowels of the J.
Maxwell Building, feeding their computers and preventing them escaping.  I
would find a white horse, a suit of armour, ride there and rescue her;
however, i am afraid of the physicists.  They are all goths, you know.
besides, i have never ridden a horse in my life.  it would be all the way
across the other side of the city.

xx
will


(apologies to anyone i should be apologising to)

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Will Salt

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From cheesebunhead at xxx.uk  Fri Feb  9 20:55:57 2001
From: cheesebunhead at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?eric?=)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 20:55:57 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: you say you've got a real solution
Message-ID: <20010209205557.36881.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com>

okay, I feel bad for all the stereotypical indie kids,
because everyone seems to be slagging them off
something rotten. I mean, everyone (and by everyone I
actually mean 4 people) seems to be falling all over
themselves to contradict the "I hate indie kids" post,
which is obviously a joke and shouldn't get anyone
worked up, like eminem, but they're being very "indie
people are normal" about it. after all, what's wrong
with having no friends and staying home every weekend
night reading and listening to indie music (heh) and
being sad and mopey? oh right, you become clinically
depressed. I don't think I should post when I'm
feeling awful about something involving another
sinister person, who will probably read this and laugh
or something. anyway, what I'm trying to say is, don't
make fun of the lonely, because they grow up to be
that "nice man, kept to himself" who shoots up an
office. of course, an indie person would be too busy
feeling sorry for themselves to actually bother with
getting up to go to the office. 

lucy alder mentioned sting's ability to "keep it up"
for three hours. wasn't it actually much longer than
that, for something like 17 hours? geez, sting's such
a freak. he should have quit while he was ahead.

if this talk of new singles and touring is true, then
I will be very hopeful that it'll take place before I
leave the uk. maybe I just won't leave. I don't
*really* want to go back to america, but then again,
who does? the uk doesn't make much more sense, but it
makes a little bit more, which is enough for me. oh,
and to the person who said the chances of the
(possible) singles coming out in america any time near
the uk release date was small, don't fret. matador
released "legal man" a week before it came out in the
uk. so there you are.

sadly,
eric

"We totally understand gay people's worries but they
have read Eminem wrong. We don't take any notice of
his lyrics" --The Guardian, 9 Feb

gotta love the youth.



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From carle at xxx.com  Sat Feb 10 07:49:05 2001
From: carle at xxx.com (carle groome)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 02:49:05 -0500
Subject: Sinister: still 141 unread! my eyes are bleeding chrome
Message-ID: <3A84F23E.EEFDC7F1@rcn.com>

in re: the old debate
uh, i am clocking m'self for 15 min.
music snobbery is a good thing. it means taste. but it should not mean
ignorance. i am always willing to listen to new stuff, old stuff, and
have even heard a christina aguliera cd. that i hated everything but the
booklet art doesn't mean i'm being a snob; it means i reject
formula...mostly. don't care if somebody's popular--that's what POP is about.
even as i write this, i am downloading stuff from napster. and i have
never done this before (except from david white's site, otherwise how
would i have heard "middle distance runner"?). but all this talk about
baxendale, sodastream, badly drawn boy, sigur ros, hefner... curiosity
may have killed the cat, but satisfaction brought him back.
in salad days at uni (more like generic mac&cheese) i would tape other
peoples albums, and i have yet to bring the giant megacorps to their
knees. and how many of those taped albums have i bought? fill in the blank....
today i can't afford to go and splurge like i used to, but i want to
know what i'm missing. and if i like what i hear enough, i'll find the
wherewithal to pick up what turns me on. 
and speaking of that

oh, and mr. miller? uncle dave macon was more of a producer than an artist.
g'nite
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From sunnie_set at xxx.com  Sat Feb 10 11:19:34 2001
From: sunnie_set at xxx.com (Sunset .)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:19:34 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Dark Glasses and dust filled days
Message-ID: <F259BirXXeQM7gyoPB2000003b5@hotmail.com>

It was the days before tigermilk was re-released... said albumn was like 
gold dust and extortionate amounts of money were changing hands for cassette 
copies...
I, a self confessed obsessive... not particulary obsessed about anything in 
particular but whatever takes my fancy at a specific moment... stepped in a 
second hand record shop...
The astute among you may have made guesses about what I was about to find... 
you may be on the right lines... for the rest of you I will take things 
slowly... and if you are in the mood to keep reading... you will catch up...
So my first port of call, as it it still is now, was of course the B's... 
more specifically as the astute will have guessed the section containing 
belle and sebastian...
I thumbed through the CDs... the familar well loved covers of Eps and 
Albums...until i stopped... slighlty stunned...
The cover said it clearly enough... "Tigermilk"... but how could this be? I 
held the CD up to what little light there was in the dimly lit shop... and 
if I had been a cartoon I'm sure my jaw would have hit the ground...
The price ticket said import �17.99 ...I was suspicous...
I was also very low in funds... my cheque book in pocket my only possible 
hope... but I was unsure whether this shop would take cheques... especially 
those from students with a guilty look in there eyes from knowing their bank 
has recently declared them to be insufficent in funds to withdraw so much as 
10p...
I ventured forward... CD clutched in sweating hand... and enquired boldly... 
and it seemed that my cheque would do just fine as long as it was 
accompanied by cash card of some sort...
The excitment and guilt overcame me slighlty as i hurried home... my first 
listen of this illicit album...
The room was yellow from an unusually fine april day... dust was visible in 
the sunlight... across the road people sat on their doorsteps taking in the 
good weather...
It seemed the whole world knew this day was special... and as I played the 
CD for the first time I knew the guilt had been worth it...
A memory of the moment created was there and then amidst the falling dust... 
I knew i would look back on it often like a treasured possesion...
A few days later and wearing dark glasses (a precautionary step only) I 
re-entered the magical little shop... my ritual repeated I flicked through 
the Bs and stared lovingly at the familiar face contained within... 
including one with a little �17.99- import price tag... I smiled thinking 
about the next person whose life it would change...

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From David1822 at xxx.com  Sat Feb 10 18:24:17 2001
From: David1822 at xxx.com (David Strange Strange)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:24:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: the rain in spain stays mainly on the plane.......
Message-ID: <31719940.981829457842.JavaMail.imail@doodle.excite.com>

whereas the rain the england just comes down on the streets preventing me
from skateboarding,grrrrrrrr.i want the clever scientist men to invent a
weather chamging machine,c'mon guys if you can clone sheep surely you can
mess about with the weather.but they're have to look after it cos if it fell
into the wrong hands who would save us......
we could us it at picnices to make sure the sunshines and its hot and stuff
that would be so ace  i cant wait for the summer the winters been far to
wet.
didnt garbage do a song called i'm only happy when it rains,cor shirley
manson thats just rubbish but it did rain a lot less in 95 i think.

i can empthasise with the tigermilk second hand girl cos when i wanted
tigermilk i used to go into second hand shops all the time to try and track
down a copy but alas never did,i picked up some rather natty old frank
sinatra albums though,good ol' blue eyes.but i sold them to an old lady and
got 4 pounds for them when i brought them for 75p he he,dell boy daf.

i read the face this month (i'm such a hipster) and daft punk have turned
into robots apparently which is pretty cool cos robots are ace,one of them
looks like those robots from battle star galactica who had the neat
voice,yayyyy they were the best robots in the world even though they were
baddies they still were great.
and in the face theres an article about iraq they are so many murals of
sadam hussain in that country i though he was dead anyways? but onto the
point my favourite one if thats possible is him in a summer outfit,a hawien
shirt,panama hat and white trousers and cool 70's sunglases,if he wasnt such
a nasty man i would say he looked good,dictator chique all the rage this
season.

i was annyoed theres no rugby onto today i wanted to watch wales get beaten
again i allmost cried he he,we are so rubbish.i'm spose to be at the
trembling blue stars tonight but couldnt be botherd quite frankly and i was
working so not entirley my fault.

ohhhhh i'd better go and buy a haiwen shirt intime to play with my new
weather machine.

cant wait for new b&s stuff and for them to tour,thats my content cos i'm a
good sinister boy.

well i've got a few things off my chest so its time to bid you all a fond
farewell.
bye

d xx








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From ettirgam at xxx.com  Sun Feb 11 03:17:35 2001
From: ettirgam at xxx.com (marikka)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:17:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: twin versus queen
Message-ID: <20010211031735.380.qmail@web2302.mail.yahoo.com>

i realized today at two o'clock in the afternoon that
i am in fact an adult.  what a terrible realization. 
i laugh at the sixteen-year-old boys who dress for a
country club and blast the latest dr. dre album while
they drive by the mall.  i also laugh at the girls who
think those guys are cool.  and this means that i am
at least a young adult, not a full fledged adult,
because as a young adult you understand the
contradiction that full fledged adults don't and that
kids and teenagers don't.  i don't know if i will ever
be ready for the moment when i become a full fledged
adult.  but what was it that made me feel like the
college graduate and burgeoning professional that i
am?  i bought a bed.  it is the biggest and most
expensive item i have ever purchased.  it was the fact
that i could buy a bed that did me in.  i was even
tempted to watch "sixteen candles" just to pretend
that i was in high school again and that there was a
nice gorgeous guy who had the potential to like me,
but i resisted and instead suffered through some
horrendous movie with mark harmon as a bad guy.  and
as a result of all of this, knowing who mark harmon is
and growing up in the eighties and nineties, and of
course the huge purchase of a bed, i am listening to
music that used to make me feel young and now just
reminds me that rock is dying due to the influx of
manufactured boy bands and limp bizkit.  i wonder if
the guys in limp bizkit even know how to spell
biscuit.  that is the question that i would ask fred
durst, not why he has such a huge crush on christina
aguilera, which is also a good question.

and then this week i learned that either someone has a
crush on me or believes that i have a crush on him. 
the only problem is that i don't know who he is.  and
that is what is aggravating.  why would anyone try to
hook up with a person he liked through the internet
anyway?  it all seems rather suspect.  but in response
to the email that someone has a crush on me, i spent
almost an entire night selling out dear, close friends
just to find out that the guy has eight or more
letters in his first name and seven in his last.  so
then i thought and thought and realized that the only
person i know with eight letters in the first name and
seven in the last is someone i haven't seen or spoken
to in almost two years now.  and that managed to get
me depressed.  i hate it when good people vanish from
your life.  except he was in love with his best friend
anyway, and i just wouldn't have been able to compete
with an already existing love.  this is what i have
learned.

and then on top of all of that, i am six weeks away
from twenty-three, which is just not a good number. 
there just isn't anything interesting about it except
that it is a prime number.  it's just a number that is
there.  i don't want to just be there.  anyway, i need
to get back to cleaning my apartment so that the
delivery guys don't trip tomorrow...oh, and one more
thing that has been bringing me down...my best friend
in the world is going to move to japan with her
boyfriend, leaving me to hate him and miss her.  and
there still aren't any good men in the valley, or at
least they haven't found me yet, but unless they are
clients, i probably won't ever meet them.

marikka.

and is it healthy to be obsessed with "slow graffiti"?

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From james.thorniley at xxx.com  Sun Feb 11 13:18:25 2001
From: james.thorniley at xxx.com (James Thorniley)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:18:25 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Man, I feel 80% Woman
Message-ID: <20010211131825.A392@hammy>

Hello kittens!

The following post is witty, interesting and very relevant to B&S and *your
life*. You'll really want to read it right through, not skipping anything,
and not even noticing spelling errors because of my fabulous charm. You'll
never want to delete this message and you'll probably get it printed out on
A2, laminated, and stuck to your wall as a poster.*

I have noticed that the cheeky little Stuart Murdoch has been trying to
steal peoples attention by *doing things*. This will not be tolerated, as
you should all be paying attention to me, and not him, because I am better,
not to mention prettier by far. Frankly, the guy is just full of himself.

I have been prompted again to post by the lovely Dafyd, not really by his
inspiring me, but more threatening me and demanding that I post. I suppose
he realises it's not fair for me to deny you lovelies of my presence.

That said, I do have some things to say which aren't *entirely* self
absorbed:

I was going to the Strange Fruit thingy yesterday after work but someone
started a fire in Wimbledon and the trains to London got cancelled :(

Mmm, that was a bit to do with myself I spose.

I have invented something wonderful, it's called

THE SINISTER DRINKING GAME.

Basically you get a couple of bottles of vodka, and a bottle of ribena, and
a few glasses**. You invite a few (preferably sinister) friends round and
save up a few days worth of your sinister posts. You then read the posts
together and you have to down a shot of Vodbena every time one of the
following happens:

1. You get the urge to snog Mark Casarotto.
2. CarsmileSteve puts something on his website.
3. Genevieve makes the boys blush!
4. Someone downloads a song off napster.
5. Someone who isn't you goes to a sinister meet up and your sooo jealous.
6. PineFox mentions a band you've never heard of.

You can make up more of your own ideas for the above list because mine
aren't very good, but you get the picture. By the end of the night you'll
be very sinisterly drunk and you will have caught up on all the posts! If
you can't think of any sinister cliches then just have a shot each every
time you finish a post (then you'll thank mummy for that 15 minute rule).
At the end of the night you have to compose a drunken sinister post for us
all to read.

The why we hate indie kids thing was funny, but I think I preferred Ken's
townies one; in the words of Homer Simpson:
"I like it when they make fun of people who aren't me!"
Though I don't think I'm a proper indie kid, because my CD collection can
be moved around with only one van. I don't understand why ken likes townie
girls though, we have lots at my school and they're all such slappers! They
talk like essex girls even though they don't come from essex! And I hate
the trousers they wear; they are black and made of cotton or polyester or
something boring like that and they're kind of really tight around the
thighs and make anyone's bum look really big and ugly, and then they flare
out stupidly, not like normal flares, to a kind of ironed sharp point at
the end and it's the yuckiest thing I've ever seen!

There's a girl at school who's bottom I look at far more than I should but
I can't help it, she wears these jeans sometimes with the word "elvis"
embroidered in gold on the arse! You can't help looking at it from time to
time. They are the coolest pair of jeans though, if you ask me.

I've got work experience coming up next week. I'm working at some kind of
laboratory. I don't really know what I'm doing. I'm going with a girl from
school who looks like someone from this list I think, which is weird for
me! I asked Miss Honey if I could have a job writing "Sinister:" at the
beginning of everyone's posts, but she said she already had someone to do
it. I bet I would be better though, grr.

I don't really want a boring job like that. My dream is just to marry Laura
Llew*** and open up an independant bookshop together. We'll live in the
flat above the shop, and just spend our days being care-free and reading
sinister and so on. Sigh.

This is getting long so I'll be off,

Byebye xx
James

* You may think this is some kind of ironic antithesis to the traditional
opening of a sinister post, but I'm perfectly serious (except the poster
bit and the never deleting). That kind of introduction would perhaps
however be more appropriate to one of Laura Llew's**** posts, but I know
she's too modest for such a thing, so you'll just have to imagine it next
time she posts*****.

** I actually recommend you use those plastic disposable cups rather and
glasses per se. I just don't want you to break the glasses in your drunken
silliness.

*** Well, perhaps a milkmaid such as Laura Llew is a little out of my
league, but the idea remains, just think of the faceless entity that is
your soulmate.

**** By this time I have mentioned Laura Llew at least three times, and you
might be thinking I have some kind of unhealthy obsession. All I can say
is, if you're worried, imagine how she feels!

***** Which will be very soon. More poetry: 
Laura Llew, Laura Llew,
red roses and posies for you.
It's nearly Valentines,
but I think I'm getting the flu.******
Yuck.
Laura Llew, Laura Llew.

****** Don't worry it's more of a sore throat, but don't kiss me just
now.*******

******* I'm becoming aware that the amount of footnotes in my post is once
again becoming silly. Perhaps I'm reading too much Terry Pratchett. Bye
now.

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From Something.Pretty at xxx.com  Sun Feb 11 21:21:45 2001
From: Something.Pretty at xxx.com (Rachel Playforth)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:21:45 -0800
Subject: Sinister: beyond the bedsit infamy
Message-ID: <004301c09471$e441b2a0$604c073e@aqlzosqt>

some of my best friends are indie kids.  most are not.  funnily enough, in
real life one doesn't meet that many pure stereotypes, however amusing they
are when they spring fully formed from the minds of music journalists.  and
long may their powers of invention flourish.  i mean, it's not as if anyone
actually believes it.

speaking of fiction, juicy lucy (ever a watchword for good taste) swooned
over gilbert blythe, who was indeed a junior heathcliff, majestic in his
thrilling cruelty, unexpected heroism, and intellectual power.  but my heart
was already lost to... dick from the famous five, a michievous and maverick
spirit, though sturdy, amongst the cloying fog of ginger beer and ice cream.
i never met a real boy who remotely resembled any of my literary crushes,
and it never occurred to me that this was because most of what i read was
written at least 40 years earlier.  <sigh>

re the 'challenge archel' proposed by chris:
i might be wrong, but isn't the tape tree organised by the (ahem) dear
departed lark girl up and running under its own momentum by now?  but if
someone informs me otherwise and instructs me on how to go about it, i'd be
happy to plant the acorns and watch as mighty musical oaks spring forth.

re my tattoo:
much as i doubt anyone is really on tenterhooks, i have 3 stars on my upper
arm.  the tattooist seemed to think there must be some cosmic significance
to this, and was rather disappointed when i said that i just thought i'd be
less likely to get bored of them than, say, a pokemon.

i've been pretending i'm a stoodent again and going out clubbing in the
middle of week, then going to work wired on caffeine, labouring under the
illusion that i am actually at my best.  (5 people have been sacked in as
many days, so i don't think i'll be burning the joss stick at both ends
again for a while, just in case.)  wednesday was the monthly visit to
brighton of gay indie night popstarz, which is possibly the only event where
a young man wearing pink bunny ears and very little else offers you quality
street to the background strains of 'smells like teen spirit'.  then on
thursday we went h.i.p h.o.p. at cut to the chase, a really fantastic night
which i haven't been paid by my friend matt (aka dr mook, in da house etc)
to advertise.  honest.

yesterday i was in olde london town.  tate modern... nft... covent garden...
theatre.  how civilised am i?  our choice of play was 'art', which i highly
recommend despite the current cast being culled exclusively from coronation
street and spandau ballet.  there's a great bit with olives...

brighton meet up/dirty weekend still going ahead for the 24th, with an
option to come to the launch of divebomb, a new indie pop night, on the
23rd.  we shall fight them on the beaches...

luv archel xxx


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From littleblackfox at xxx.com  Sun Feb 11 14:19:56 2001
From: littleblackfox at xxx.com (Jules Markham)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:19:56 -0000
Subject: Sinister: light at the end of the tunnel
Message-ID: <F265xs0J1Dt9Vur7v6i0000150a@hotmail.com>

hi there sinisterines,
well I'm almost recovered from the nasty gang of bacteria and viruses that 
wiped out my already depleated immune system. Mike had to rush me to 
hospital and I couldnt breathe, it was all quite horrible. It's been a week 
since I finished my antibiotics, and I still get tired walking up the hill, 
and I cant seem to get enough sleep...
I've finally got somewhere to live, and I move on the 21st febuary. I'm 
moving in with Chris, a friend from University who's moving house and 
offered me the spare room. I remember the first day of my degree, 5 years 
ago. We went for a walk through the city together, he took me to all the 
places I shouldn't walk through at night, and where the sunday market was 
held, and gave me a cheese stottie.
funny how I remember just odd little things like that, the way we sat in the 
canteen, slowly peeling the melted cheese off the top of the stottie, 
listening to him talking. He always reminded me of a viking warrior, or 
winston the dog. He was a rottweiler who belonged to a friend of mine, I was 
terrified of him, and one time he got out of his pen and came running 
towards me, I thought i was going to get my face ripped off, but he just 
leapt onto me and started licking my face.He was the cuddliest, soppiest 
thing I'd ever seen. I can't beleive I was so scared of him... The same with 
Chris, I guess.

In sheffield there's an indie club called Offbeat, run by this Doctor called 
Chris. I gave him a Mr greedy the first time I went, but someone stole it, 
which I was kinda dissapointed about. He does this grate non-profit club and 
someone steals his mascot. He was so upset about it that I got him a 
replacement.

So it feels like there's light at the end of the tunnel, pretty soon I'll 
have a place to live, and wont be living out of a rucksack. I'll even be 
able to set up my altar again, I missed imbolc, which i was really upset 
about.

well, I've arranged to meet a friend for a coffee, so I'd better brush my 
hair and find a toy for her...

jules
now playing: red house painters
now eating: chocolate hobnobs

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From stuart at xxx.uk  Fri Feb  9 22:34:05 2001
From: stuart at xxx.uk (stuart at xxx.uk)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:34:05 +0000 (GMT+00:00)
Subject: Sinister: recor death stella saturday
Message-ID: <12883592.981758046035.JavaMail.nobody@smtp.backend.another.com>

hello,

I've hitherto been unsure about sinister, scared if you will. I'm the campaign manger for Stuart Murdoch...this is not a stupid boast, it is true and most of you would do a better job, but i asked and will try my bloody best, i think he would do a great job because he is a great person and it is nowt to do with the tunes...my gran died the other day and today i went to the funeral, i looked like a gangster in my suit, but it wasn't much fun...excuse me...anyhoo, I would like to thank ALL sinister people for supporting stuart in his rector campaign it really is greatly appreciated, if you need to know more...but not tonite, call 07790080515...that is my mobile...please don't unless you're genuine, which i'm sure you all are, ALL GLASGOW UNI SINISTER LIST TYPES HELP THE STUART RECTOR CAMPAIGN, E-MAIL STUART @ STUART at POPMUSICIAN.CO.UK...anyhoo...see you later...

love

daniel quipp,


ps ALL personal stuart e-mails get forwarded to him, promise...he/we love you all and thak you so much..

cheerio

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From ol04 at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 12 12:36:45 2001
From: ol04 at xxx.uk (The Narrow Wizard)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:36:45 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: I dont wanna change a thing when theres magic in here
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10102121217190.18335-100000@gromit.students.stir.ac.uk>

hallo peeps

Im back from a winter wasting
two months of suffering small town life
watching daytime TV

and
of course 
listening to music

but now I'm back in sunny scotland
and whats more
I got tickets for the best show in town
actually thats a lie
I've got a ticket for Atomic Kitten
tonight
oh dear

still its better than when this bluddy uni got the Baha men to play
(they were booed off stage though...which was funny (and the ents exec
were taunted with "who booked the shite act"))
anyway if I manage to perform any sexual acts with britains current chart
topping band you'll be the first to know
but I wont be proud of myself obviously

anyway
time for a hearty welcome back to Archel and jason andreas
and miss foreply now has a tatoo which reminded me of this joke

a women was upset because her husband didn't pay her enough attention.
he was a big boxing fan and spent all his time and energy with boxing.
so in order to get his attention she got tatoos of boxers on her inner
thighs. Ali on one and Tyson on the other.
when he came home that night she lay back and spread her legs and asked
him what he thought.
he replied
Well the Ali and the Tyson dont look very good but that one of Don King in
the middle is fucking brilliant.

Oh and someone mentioned looking like a gangster at a funeral (maybe it
was daniel who said it) and the last funeral I was at ended with all of
the males present going to play pool, It looked like a scene cut from
reservoir dogs, tres surreal.

anyway I better go and psych myself up for atomic bloody kitten
speak to you cool kids soon

owen

with that the narrow wizard waggled his bushy eyebrows and disappeared in
a flash of blue flame leaving behind a faint smell of cinnamon

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From Stuart.Gardiner at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 12 14:41:10 2001
From: Stuart.Gardiner at xxx.uk (Gardiner, Stuart)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:41:10 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Your wife? I wouldn't go home...
Message-ID: <03754DDCC645D311AA6700805F854E430277546A@lotus.ntu.ac.uk>

I think I should start quoting Whitlams lyrics for all my subject lines,
because a) They are a wonderful band who most people on this list have never
heard of; and b) I can never think of anything better, I ran out of original
imaginative subject lines to use in my postings about 3 years ago.


Speaking of bands (now how's that for a tenuous link?), thanks to the people
who told me about the Kings of Convenience, a unanimous vote of approval. So
I've bitten the bullet and ordered the album. It hasn't arrived yet,
probably because in the same order I asked for a Shakira album which there
seem to be no copies of anywhere in Britain...


Meanwhile, David gave us his Sinister drinking game:

1. You get the urge to snog Mark Casarotto.
2. CarsmileSteve puts something on his website.
3. Genevieve makes the boys blush!
4. Someone downloads a song off napster.
5. Someone who isn't you goes to a sinister meet up and your sooo jealous.
6. PineFox mentions a band you've never heard of.

and I would just like to make it perfectly clear that I have never had an
urge to snog Mark Casarotto. Calm down ladies, he's ugly.

And Genevieve doesn't make the boys blush, she just makes us daydream about
being the lucky guy in her dream who saw her frolicking naked through the
meadows.


Forget the tape tree, what we need is a Valentine's Card tree. All the
single listees could just send each other anonymous cards with little
messages of love inside, and the world would be a better place. Of course,
it's a bit late now for the actual day, but if we don't start it until
Thursday we'll all be able to get the cards at half-price. Ah, the romance.


Two new B&S singles? This Spring? Oh look, is that a flock of pigs up there
in the sky? Still, maybe it's time to revive the long running campaign to
get them to play a gig at the Royal Albert Hall...


OK, time for a bit of a rant (translation: you've read the relevant bit,
time to delete now):
Turn your mind back two or three years. We'd just had a couple of very hot
summers in the UK, water shortages all over the place, even rationing in
some places, and the reservoirs were almost empty. And we were told that it
was all because of global warming, and we'd better get used to it. Now, in
the last few months we've seen the worst flooding for many years in parts of
England, the reservoirs are overflowing, there's no way there'll be any
water shortages for the next couple of summers, and we're told that that's
all because of global warming as well. Erm, hello? Does that make any sense
at all to anyone? I've just been waiting for someone to go on the telly and
say that last week's heavy snow in Scotland was because of global warming as
well...

I'll probably a few replies now from environmentalists slagging me off, but
before you do, just answer me one thing: surely even if every single bit of
ice-cap at the North Pole melted, it's floating anyway, so doesn't
Archimedes' Principle say that the sea level wouldn't change by a
millimetre?
<\rant>


Lots of romantic slushy kisses you all,

Big Stu
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From angel_blackwell at xxx.com  Mon Feb 12 15:00:50 2001
From: angel_blackwell at xxx.com (angel blackwell)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:00:50 -0500
Subject: Sinister: is that trance???
Message-ID: <F36Wb3dnEHv8KTGsZI7000096ff@hotmail.com>

ummm...i seem to have lost my head. has anyone seen
it? i remember having it yesterday, but sometime last night it
seems to have gone missing. i can't see or drink tea, this is
terribly embare-assing...ladies at work are screaming, "that
silly little kid has gone and lost his head."

yes, the angel blackwell has gone into work hung over
again. and i've just found out that i'm going out to dinner with
my department at work tonight, fuck me gently with a rusty
chainsaw. it's bad enough that i have to deal with these people
during the day, now i get to "hang out" with them after
work...yay. apparently this place has lot's of video games and
fun things to do, but of course it's no where near where i live,
but it's right around the corner from where the boss lives,
funny that

oh and i met a cute boy, and he has a crush on me. but,
he likes boy bands and britney, so i'll have to kill him. i was
explaining to him about strangefruit toronto and what kinda
music we play...man i lost him. i first just mentioned a lot of
bands that we play, and well, now the subject line comes into
play. it seems a lot of people i've met in the last little while
seem to think that i'm a hardcore circuit party kinda homoboy. i
guess my mother was right in that i always look like i just
molested a boy who models for knitting patterns. anyway, i'm
making a mixtape for this boy, and believe me, it's gonna be so
good, he's gonna be on this list in no time...yes i'm that cute.
actually i can't believe i'm making a mix tape. i'm sooooooo bad
at it. but i promised him

okay, i had a really weird weekend. i went to
international colouring contest on friday to flyer. i went with
the sisters grimm and man, we were just crazy. the bar isn't
that big, but our flyers were on every table, every bar, every
windowsill...when the dj is getting lessons break dancing on the
dance floor, you know you've shown up too early. then on
saturday i went to the homohop at u of t, and saw cute boy...and
got hit on by 18 year old porn stars, again. oh well, i had to
leave early to go see monolake play. hmmm...a bit boring. 2 knob
twirlers with two powermacs and a dj...it was just like
listening to the cd's...

all this talk of new singles and touring, making me a
little excited. but, i know it's in a galaxy far far away for
now. young jedi stuart is busy doing other things...and this
peacock thing is a little odd
well, i must go now and find my head, i'm getting hungry
and will require my mouth...
i love you all
a.



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From Ruth.A.Deller at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 12 15:10:16 2001
From: Ruth.A.Deller at xxx.uk (Ruth A. Deller)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:10:16 +0000
Subject: Sinister: she watches...she takes notes...she asks annoying questions
Message-ID: <fc.005b909e00b8b596005b909e00b8b596.b8cabc@athena.shu.ac.uk>

Hello everyone

No, of course this isn't a nice, content-filled post.  I'm after a couple more
favours....  Thanks all of you who've filled in the questionnaires (there's
still time...).

Now I'm looking to get info off anyone who was involved in ye olde Sinister
Village - I mean those who participated in the site and used that (I've read
all the list mail on the subject, albeit ages ago).  

Also, if anyone has a copy of THAT Steven Wells article from last year (you
know the one...) they could lend me or transcribe for me or post me a link
to...well, I'd be grateful (even if you could just supply me with an issue date
and page numbers etc that would be a start..). 

//rad//
If you're as sad as me...
...you should stay in on a Saturday night


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From ppyrrjs at xxx.uk  Tue Feb 13 01:06:24 2001
From: ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:06:24 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Robin faces death... and survives!
Message-ID: <3A87A791.2217.110278C6@localhost>


Well, it's been a strange weekend. For most of it I was dreadfully ill, 
with the worst flu I've had in ages. I spent most of my time in bed, 
trembling and worried I was going to die, or watching Allo Allo*, 
trembling and worried I was going to die.

After my near brush with death, and after lots of chicken soup, I had 
a chat to my housemate who was playing darts. One of the darts 
deflected off the board and stuck in the back of my neck. If I was on 
Allo Allo* I'd have probably called him a ducking runt.

Thankfully it didn't really do any damage, and after lots of soup I 
was totally shipshape and ready to sail on the high seas with my 
sails full and my mast erect. Then, on Sunday, my mum hit me in 
the eye with a mirror.

So it wasn't the luckiest weekend, really.

I'm very excited about Struan's rectorial campaign. I'm very excited 
about the prospect of two new singles too. In fact I have to 
remember to keep my excitement under control. When I was ill, and 
I talked about my 'rectorial fever' people just acted concerned and 
suggested I went to the toilet, but now I don't think they'd be so 
understanding. I really have to try my best not to talk about Belle 
and Sebastian to my more normal friends. I think they normally think 
I'm dull, and at best slightly loopy.


Robinx


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   A - Aloo Aloo!

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From idleberry at xxx.com  Mon Feb 12 17:44:24 2001
From: idleberry at xxx.com (idleberry)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:44:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: the art of quitting Valentines Day 
Message-ID: <20010212174424.8886.qmail@web611.mail.yahoo.com>

hello all
I am currently trying to quit smoking. I think its the
hardest thing I have done yet. Its totally driving me
to distraction, if not a bit loopy and potty and
incredibly agressive. My dreams are even becoming
slightly more agressive. Tarintino has nothing on the
dreams I've been having. So, I'm just going to try and
bite my lip for however long it needs to be biten, or
possibly avoid everyone ever who has the ability to
wind me up. 
Aside from all that...
Is everyone looking forward to Valentines Day? I like
the idea of Valentines Day actually. Hardened softie
that I am. But I was discussing this recently with a
friend of mine. His reasoning was that it shouldn't be
the only day of the year when you say I love you. I
agree. If I was to be going out with someone who could
only express their feelings on Valentines day, then I
would probably dump them. Harsh? maybe. But we all
need to feel loved a lot more than one day. 
My whole point is, that I realise a lot of people are
really cynical about the whole thing, that its all too
commercialised. Same with virtually every season.
Christmas, Easter, etc etc. All except your birthdays.
But you know, Valentines cards started way back in the
Victorian times. So its hardly fair to blame it on a
recent thing. And it was a christian tradition. So in
that respect its a bit unfair to dismiss it. 
I'm not too fussed by it at all, if I am truthful, but
I like the idea of it. Heck, if I had my way, a bunch
of flowers, chocies (lots and lots and lots of
chocies) and lots of regular little notes of "I love
you, by the way." would be a feature of my letterbox.
Okay, maybe not the flowers, but you get my drift. 
Its nice. Nothing extravangant, but just a little
unusual token of love. Actually, I would probably feel
embarrassed if I got really extravagant things at all.
I like gifts that don't have to be materialistic. And
you know, gifts don't need to be materialistic. Just
something for you to think about. If you don't like
the commercialism of Valentines Day, try and do
something non-commercial. Does that make sense?

Urgh. I dunno sometimes.

Sorry if I sound like Jerry Springer bombing
Starbucks.

;)
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From ac484 at xxx.edu  Mon Feb 12 08:18:02 2001
From: ac484 at xxx.edu (Adam Conover)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 03:18:02 -0500
Subject: Sinister: you're one thing greater than all the things that you are together
Message-ID: <3A8755EA.17372.12D11A2@localhost>

hey hey everyblubby --

i'm not sure if i'm out of the nursery yet (i got stuck on the nasty 
bounces list), so i'm not sure if this will go through... so here i 
am, announcing myself out of retirement! thanks to The Narrow Wizard 
for making a post with a title that DEMANDED i read it! the go-
betweens are beautiful and i want to have sex with them now!

- adam
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From rfadden at xxx.com  Tue Feb 13 00:59:03 2001
From: rfadden at xxx.com (Robyn Fadden)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:59:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: stripping poets & atp chalet?
Message-ID: <20010213005903.6233.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com>

hello all you rockstars!

i wanted to write and tell you about a really good performance
artist/stripper i saw the other day, but i was rethinking it b/c i
told the story to a friend of mine (a canadian) who is living in
oxford and she said she was going to tell the story to her british
friends and they'd get all uncomfortable and squeemish and go home
and *not* masturbate, but think about their grans. prove her wrong!
(especially if you're in oxford...)

but first! i've got holidays coming to me in the first two weeks of
april and i thought that i would come over to england and hang out in
the london/oxford area and go to All Tomorrow's Parties! so, before
going to the atp message board for kids without chalet mates, i
wanted to ask any of you if you needed an extra person for your
chalet. and if you'd like this person to be a kind, thoughtful,
hard-drinkin' 26 yr old girl from west coast canada. all bids to
rfadden at yahoo.com

back to the stripping:
i went to a reading called 'skank' the other night. it
was greatness! poetry and strippers together at last! and even one
poet/performance artist who stripped! but not only did she strip, but
she first read, then stripped off her coat and danced in her 1970s
peach lingerie, then read a bit, then stripped her top off and took a
stuffed toy duck (seriously) out of her underwear (which she took off
to reveal a thong) and bit the head off the duck! and blood spurted
out all over her! it was wicked! and she was stipping to 'highway to
hell'! then she rubbed the blood all over her and took a bottle of
glue and rubbed *that* all over her and proceeded to cover herself in
feathers from the duck. and when the music stopped, she brushed her
hair from her face, whiped a bit of the blood off, and read another
poem. insanely awesome. she kicked stripping ass. the boy stippers
(it being a gay bar with mostly male clientele, though not on this
night) who came on later had nothing on her. though one guy did
dance/strip to 'paradise city', so he gets points for that and his
incredible 1987 mane of black hair (it was real). poetry rules!

not to say that i would want to see, say, ezra pound take all his
clothes off while reading 'canto XIII'. or even 'in a station of the
metro' for that matter... which is obviously just not going to
happen. (er, that may bring an abrupt halt to any thoughts of Mx
where M is masturbating, and x is a person*)

oh, they've finally released "ratcatcher" in north america - such a
good movie, really amazing. and there are scottish accents galore if
that's what gets you out to the foreign pictures these days. :)

and 'aliens' on dvd is *the* shit. yo. 

the other day i went to the sinister site and in the search box was
'sad_fluffy_ghd'. it made me go 'aaawwwh' and when i clicked on it a
million ghd posts came up. 
IT WAS COOL.

ooh, i must do more work now. again, please let me know if you have
chalet room or know of someone who does. that would be nice and i
would be so grateful and happy. thanks.

robyn

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From kpc98c at xxx.UK  Tue Feb 13 02:10:31 2001
From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 02:10:31 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Daisy line printer's chain
Message-ID: <200102130204.CAA06392@missprint.org>

Hi,

How does one cry?  I don't know, I've been trying to for a week now.  I'm 
still in this lull of emptiness with nothing happening, which always spells 
trouble is coming soon.  They always say that if I cry, I will feel much 
better, so I tried, but it didn't work.

My exam results came through and I've done okay, which is good, even though 
I could have done better, but then, I shouldn't complain after dossing about 
for a whole semester.

Oh I feel like poop I don't know why, if I know I'll probably be happier.

Bloody hell, I was going to write a happy fun sinister post to raise the 
mood... I'll try now:

:-)

Did that work?  Okay, I'll try harder then :)  Well there are good stuff 
today, like Robin's post was funny, but I partly felt sorry for his rough 
weekend, even JenOwl doesn't have weekends that bad!  He needs to talk 
about Belle and Sebastian more, I think, cos they're good.

Marikka asked if it is healthy to be obsessed with "slow graffiti", well, 
I am, so it probably isn't, but it's an excellent song, and it's kinda like 
how I'm feeling at the moment.

Erm, can't think of anything more.. maybe a few things that you should 
or shouldn't do on Valentine's day if you're single to help you get by 
the crap ness.

- Don't go to Valentine's day parties it doesn't help.
- Don't visit your non single friends cos it doesn't help, and they will 
hate you when you disturb them.
- Don't visit your single friends, cos it doesn't help and you'll just end 
up multiplying your collective sadness.
- Don't visit your parents, cos they will either be uncomfortably nice to 
you, or nag you for being single, or in my case accuse you to be gay, which 
doesn't help.
- Do listen to Belle and Sebastian it does help.

So, the perfect solution is to sit alone in your room listening to Belle 
and Sebastian, yes, same as every other day :)

Happiness and Red Bulls
Ken
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From brier at xxx.com  Tue Feb 13 02:25:44 2001
From: brier at xxx.com (Brier Random)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:25:44 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Middle Distance Napster
Message-ID: <00ec01c09564$45c0b7e0$0101a8c0@pavilion>

Anyone able to find MickMcMick's files on Napster?  I was looking forward to
hearing the studio version of "Loneliness" that he put up, but I can't find
it under his "mickmcmick" user name.



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From hamibe02 at xxx.edu  Tue Feb 13 06:44:15 2001
From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blakie)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 01:44:15 -0500
Subject: Sinister: don't you know love goes home to paris in the spring?
Message-ID: <002c01c09588$61ca1b60$ef551198@wfu.edu>

Hi.

You.  Kitten.


I was talking on #sinister this evening about a relevant topic but I soon
realized that I have no relevant topic to discuss on this here list.  OK so
I have a few, but none of them may be interesting nor arousing nor romantic
enough for your old eyes.  So I'll try.

Age is a funny thing.  I feel like both a 12 year old boy and a 60 year old
man trapped in a 20 year old body (yes I am that old/young).

That being said, for the last month I've been encapsulated in a rigorous
weight lifting program via my best friend.  He is a big, big guy and it was
very humorous to see us always together: me a twig, he an immense trunk.  So
I've been working out for a month, seven days a week, and the girls will be
lining up outside my door in a few weeks.  Right?  Right?  Ugh.  Muscles
aren't beneficial when all one wants is a nice indie girl, are they?
Hummmmmmmm.

That being said, this immense friend and I went to a Borders on Saturday
night (you see, we avoid the FRAT parties) to browse and I bought "The
Giving Tree" by Shel Silverstein and "The Lorax" by Dr. Seuss.  "The Giving
Tree" made me cry in the children's section, and so i had to duck behind a
shelf to hide my tears.  I spoke with someone who hated said book, and I
ask, how can one hate the book?  It's a children's book, lighten up!  I just
read it again and I am really really sad.  J'ai tres triste.  My elementary
french comes through again.  I was talking with a friend of mine (a girl,
yea) and she found my love of children's books fascinating and extremely
cute.  Then she said it was time for her to go to bed.  Hummmm ughhhhhh.

I am having a horrible, horrible girl crisis: one so bad I can't confess to
the list.  Now, when has that ever happened?  Never, I tell ya.  NEVER.
I proposed to Marie Elia but she turned me down.  Boooo Ree.  Girls are so
cruel, aren't they?  That will certainly become my mantra.  Will someone
tell me when girls become sensible and somewhat intelligent?  That being
said a friend of mine asked me what the greatest creation on Earth is and I
said "beautiful girls".  There really is nothing more amazing nor
invigorating than a beautiful girl.  I am such a sucker.  When will I learn?

I love you all,
Blakie
xoxoxoxoxoxox

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From: Katieb at xxx.net (?)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:15:56 PST
Subject: Sinister: An Express Valentine's Day Card - from ?
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From hodottir at xxx.com  Tue Feb 13 11:04:37 2001
From: hodottir at xxx.com (Lorraine Hosie)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:04:37 -0000
Subject: Sinister:  The Information Supernoodle
Message-ID: <F38bLAX3cf3ednHM3SO000118ec@hotmail.com>

Hi all

Browsing the World Wide Waffle this morning, I found this site:

www.feelingsinister.com

Surely can't have anything to do with our pet band, can it?


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From Mark at xxx.com  Tue Feb 13 12:46:09 2001
From: Mark at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:46:09 GMT
Subject: Sinister: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:49:43 -0000
Message-ID: <710AD5AF4EE3D111945C00805F0D0E22011D3BF4@SERVER1>

Someone has no doubt beaten this digestive to it, but Stuart, mate, global
warming makes the sea expand anyway, so any water from melted ice will
expand as well. 

Right. To business. Apologies for being so parochial (I do it a lot), but
could anyone in and around London who wants to form a sinister 5-a-side
footie team let me know. There have been tentative efforts to sort something
out before, but there still doesn't seem to be one, so it'd be great to have
a list of interested parties. You don't have to be superb, or Ally Cook -
you just need to want to play, semi-regularly if we can get organised.
Please email me privately and we'll see if there's enough interest - even 10
people would be fine. Any more and we can have a B team too :-)

Finally, could all locals keep the evening of Thursday April 5th free. Ta...

Mark xxx

p.s. wonder if Big Stu fancies facing me on the footie pitch in the near
future ;-)


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From ceasetocare at xxx.com  Tue Feb 13 14:00:16 2001
From: ceasetocare at xxx.com (Megan Conniff)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:00:16 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Middle Distance Napster and Napster MORE!
Message-ID: <LAW2-F71VjCRGryWtII00010001@hotmail.com>

I got Mick McMick's (however it's said!) studio version of Lonliness of a 
Middle Distance Runner a few weeks back, so if you look for me on Napster, 
ceasetocare, I've got it as well and I know I've been passing it around.

Sorry, I know I'm not meant to go spreading around info about free b&s mp3's 
. . . . .

Okay, I'm going to try to finish listening to the Great Eastern by the 
Delgados before I got to class. 17 minutes and I'm on track 6! Looks I might 
be missing logic this morning.

Oh, and if you DO happen to look me up on Napster, I recently found a lot of 
Felt stuff (IMPOSSIBLE for me to find here in Virginia) and please excuse 
all the Lilac Time songs. A friend of mine sent them to me and I haven't got 
around to listening to them yet

That's it for post #2.

Bye bye,
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From Walkn10 at xxx.com  Tue Feb 13 14:02:25 2001
From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:02:25 EST
Subject: Sinister: don't you know love goes home to paris in the spring?
Message-ID: <36.11fc08ae.27ba9871@aol.com>

Bon soir tout le monde,

It was good to read Blake's last post and be reassured that I'm not the only one who sacrifices himself on the altar of St. Valentine from time to time.  I've come to many realizations quite recently, so my past ritual of driving around all night listening to Pet Sounds is out of the question.  I'll probably be in some dank bar trying to the put the make on a total stranger after a few too many Budweisers...its just been that kind of year.
Speaking of fluctuations in our ability to be limp-wristed saps from year to year, what is everyone's Valentine's song this year - you know, the one you'll be singing to yourself all day long (or someone else will be singing to you)?  I tried summing up this entire romantic year (from 2/14 to 2/14...kind of fucked up, like the fiscal year) and I think I just may have found the right one.  This year, I believe I will be singing Whiskeytown's "Excuse Me While I Break My Own Heart Tonight," which contains the ace line, "This situation keeps me drinking every goddamn day and night."  Other finalists include ANY Elvis Costello tune, especially "High Fidelity," Weezer's "The Good Life," and Norweigan Wood, because he burns that bitch's place to the ground.
Over and out...

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From phil-two at xxx.com  Tue Feb 13 15:01:53 2001
From: phil-two at xxx.com (Phil Two)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:01:53 -0800
Subject: Sinister: J'adore la France.
Message-ID: <20010213150153.QUFH29651.mta08.onebox.com@onebox.com>

Hi Sinister,

I haven't posted in awhile, and I haven't been in chat much lately so
I thought I would send you all a reminder of my existence.  I've been
in Paris for about a month now.  But! I have come to the conclusion that
I hate the French language, French culture, French men, French pop, French
bathrooms, French food, French dogs, French pants, French mustard, and
everything French [save for Elena, Volvic, and Tahiti 80].  A revelation
I wish I had discovered sometime before my 12 years of formal French
language education and before signing up for this cursed study abroad
session.  Happily, only 4 months to go...  

I have a feeling I'll be taking many more weekend excursions to London
in the near future, like the one last weekend where I spent all my money
resulting in my recent diet of baguettes and baguettes.  But I got to
meet Ally Cook and Lucy Alder and David Moore and the usual cast of characters.
 I did leave my toothbrush at Mell Street though.

I cant wait for ATP though.  But I don't think I'll be playing any sort
of football/soccer.  Sorry Mark Cassarato.  I've never actually kicked
a ball in my life before... And I'm feeble.  And slow.  And would look
funny in gym shorts.

OK, well off to dinner [baguette]. 

Phil....





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From littlearsonist at xxx.com  Tue Feb 13 17:10:00 2001
From: littlearsonist at xxx.com (marie elia)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:10:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: i'd be lyin if i said i didn't have designs on you
Message-ID: <20010213171000.23431.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com>

i just remembered how i could never remember the old
sinister email address, and realized how easy this one
is, and that's good.

props and shout outs to everyone's favorite milkmaid
in
pink gingham -- she's sweet 16 today, you know.  can i
have shirley temples all around, please??

i think that, in the midst of his self-depricating
tirade, blake might have made some anti-woman remarks.
girls, let's go get him!  well, i guess we could give 
the poor guy a break.  he's been chasing girls in
delis
and coffeehouses for years.  mwahahaha.  

somehow i can imagine blake and steveC commiserating
in
a southern bar, knocking back the budweisers, quoting
the go-betweens, and generally being that strange 
hybrid of Young American Men and indie saddos.  hot
damn.  i think i just insulted them.  it wasn't meant
to be an insult.  no, no.  Dr. Ree loves you all.

my valentines day will be spent cleaning the house
(and
probably listening to birdie, as i haven't been able
to
stop since i got the album -- perhaps a subconscious 
desire to make up for being denied seeing them TWICE
in
london) in anticipation of christiaan's arrival.  he
arrives on thursday.  i will be bearing a gift of two
pounds of candy.  we're moving v-day to feb 15.  

my birthday is next week.  LOVE ME.

5-disc-changer stereos are really the only way to be
able to listen to the b&s eps, aren't they?  like, i'm

sure as hell not going to bust out a 20minute cd all
by
itself.  i want QUANTITY.  but sticking "dog on
wheels"
in amidst a few others does quite nicely.  also,
speaking of length (*ahem*), i have this CD-R stephin
merritt mix cd that julie made me, and it appears that
it is the perfect length for cleaning my room to.  
when i cleaned my closet, the cd ended just as i did.
when i cleaned the rest of my room, same thing. 
weird.

speaking of cleaning out closets, when i cleaned mine,
i found thirty-three pairs of shoes that i no longer 
wear.  so i have to go donate them to the salvation 
army today.  before christiaan arrives and finds 33 
pairs of shoes taking over my upstairs hallway.

oddly, it was really phil's post that inspired me to 
write, yet i have no response to him.  other than that
it made me kinda miss mell street.  mwah, martin.


xoxo,
 ree







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From athenaofme at xxx.com  Tue Feb 13 16:51:14 2001
From: athenaofme at xxx.com (lisa morrison)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:51:14 -0000
Subject: Sinister: she could do you in five...
Message-ID: <F165LqJrfP6nmGq3MSL00003db2@hotmail.com>

and that's how long i've got to tap this out before i have to
go discuss the phallic nature of the empire state building in
my culture and media class...everything is phallic this week.
perhaps it was the stripping poets post and the dream i had about touching a 
girl's thigh...but then again i also had a dream that
my current lover got hit by a bus...
on that note: everyone is dying. valentines day and people die.
they're all dying from broken hearts. my grandma died on new years.
the step-grandfather shot himself two days ago.
sobering when i got the 7am call, surreal when i awoke again
at 1pm after nodding off again...
off to discuss the arcitectural nature of the penis.
-listdomlisa
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From sullen_ozma at xxx.com  Tue Feb 13 16:38:50 2001
From: sullen_ozma at xxx.com (Ozma .)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:38:50 -0800
Subject: Sinister: the drug man just spoke of addiction
Message-ID: <F225hUIBSIeSOm3WsTi000039cc@hotmail.com>

People are coming to my lovely school of plaid to talk to us about 
addictions.  They don't even know that half these lovely catholic girls are 
addicted to more than the eyes can see.  They're addicted to stereotype, 
among others..  They can't see behind me and my cynical exterior and I wish 
I could have enough strength to pity them.

To the nerdy shy-eyed pacifist.  Your torment is very understanding, and 
while you seem upset--trudge on.  Not like that advice is any good.  Too 
many people have told me it for me to believe it.  I admire your blatant 
love of children's books, I have a passion for them too.  I enjoy Green Eggs 
and Ham at the moment.

BELLE AND SEBASTIAN MOMENT:
I was looking around my salvation army thrift store for some cool little 
clothes.  I glance at the CD case-less CD's and see a belle and sebastian 
cd?!?  LAZY LINE PAINTER JANE of all things, one I do not own!   sure, it 
doesn't have a case, but I bought it for a dollar!

girlish scream of delight

sorry.  not one of my proudest moments of girliness.

here's sincerely wishing to be someone's indie girl.

someday.

-Allison
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From Something.Pretty at xxx.com  Wed Feb 14 04:16:52 2001
From: Something.Pretty at xxx.com (Rachel Playforth)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:16:52 -0800
Subject: Sinister: inside every romantic is a cynic screaming to get out
Message-ID: <001301c0963d$122bb680$3dde7ad5@aqlzosqt>

so it's vd day again.  it's a problem for me.  i mean, disapproving of
everything valentine's day stands for is kind of normal and healthy if
you're a bitter single person, but what are you meant to do with your
cynicism and disapproval when you're in a warm supportive bed, i mean
relationship?  it surely appears heartless to the object of your lurve if
you say you don't believe in it and flatly refuse to give them a card (let
alone a trip to paris as bestowed on my housemate by her beau - huh, he
never took ME to paris when we were going out...)  principles and romance
just don't mix, that's the ultimate conclusion.

speaking of principles, i find the title of the manics' new single (or one
of them) ironic.  arguably, james dean bradfield in fact *lost* his soul
circa 1996.  being the first 'western' band to play in cuba also just
strikes me as a giant wanky photo opportunity, 5 residents of havana plus 89
british music journalists, 46 invited celebrities and 20 competition
winners.  well, maybe i'm not really such a cynic as all that.  i actually
like 'this is my truth...', but i wouldn't fight in a civil war for it.

having read james thorn-in-the-side's wonderful last post, it strikes me
that everyone should just stop snogging, or dreaming about snogging, or
pretending to want to snog mark casanova, so he can have time to actually
start posting again.  as laura llew can probably now testify, it's tiring
being a sinister heart-throb.  not that i'd know - men seldom make passes at
girls who wear glasses (or ones with actual real prescription lenses at
least.)

mind you, i have just stupendously proved my indiegrrl credentials by
sticking a picture of my kitten (before she became a neurotic, agoraphobic,
jaded fully grown cat) on my monitor.  i relate to johnjohn's adoration of
his dog's eyes.  i look at portia (don't ask), staring out of the picture
with utter innocence and charm, untainted by sex, death, religion or
politics, and nothing is bad.  even limp bizkit.

oh, i long for a time when wizards were narrow, foxes were pine, and berries
were idle.

i'm handing in my notice tomorrow. YAY!  no longer do i get rigorously
fucked by a company which claims to raise funds for charity but has clearly
never heard that charity begins at home.  instead i'll be working in a
language school and explaining how to kommen am bahnhof to foreign students
in neon baseball caps.

now i'm off to watch john hughes films and eat maltesers, which is how this
house has voted to spend valentine's eve.

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From dontloveanyone at xxx.com  Tue Feb 13 23:31:42 2001
From: dontloveanyone at xxx.com (Mike K)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:31:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: If We Can Land A Man on the Moon, Surely I Can Win Your Heart
Message-ID: <383122135.982107104002.JavaMail.root@web444-ec.mail.com>

Post number three.
*deep breath*

It's been an interesting week. What a naff word, "interesting" is. New girl at school who wears grungey clothes and has an antinazi symbol on the backpack. I think i'm starting to think of her too often, or maybe i am just desperate for an indie girl in these lonely times, and she looks a bit indie, although apparently she listens to Korn, and so my hopes are shot out of the sky like Clay Pigeons (which is apparently half the title of a Sister Hazel song, and my reason for knowing this shall remain undiscussed)

i am apparently the only B&S fan for miles (and i remind you all that i'm from Brazil), although i'm not the only Weezer fan, thankfully. to whoever mentioned 'the good life', its a great song, and to whoever has Ozma as their name, great band, unless of course you're not talking about the band in which case its time for the old crawl-inside-the-turtle shell trick.

its not vday for another 3 hours here. this is one of the years where i say it's going to be just like every day of the year except of course its not. the odds of something extraordinarily romantic happening on February 14th are slim anyways, its 24 hours out of...well, a lot. 

As someone* was talking about a song to sum up the romantic year (does this mean we have to report earnings and losses for each quarter?) mine would be the song from my subject line. It's a song by Beulah, who i just found about last week and absolutely loved. Which brings me to a nagging question: what is the most B&S-ey band you've all heard? Bands not involving B&S members though. I've been searching for a band that has quite as much magic as B&S but it's been a fruitless search. 

I can't help not singing Loneliness under my (already panting) breath whenever running round the track. Of course it makes me wheez by the time i'm done. And of course I burst into a coughing fit any time i reach the high parts. But all is well in the end, i suppose.

well i think i will get a rose for tomorrow and hand it to the grunge/indie/korn girl. If i am met with an angry look and a yell, i can resort to my "it's from a friend" act. Is roses the thing to do these days? My friend says daisies but she might be winding me up. Ah well.

Love to all
Mike K

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From jmk43 at xxx.edu  Wed Feb 14 05:03:30 2001
From: jmk43 at xxx.edu (jmk43 at xxx.edu)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:03:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: i choo choo choose you(and theres a picture of a train)
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i dont love anyone.
-jer

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From thespinisterines at xxx.com  Wed Feb 14 05:34:09 2001
From: thespinisterines at xxx.com (Velocity Girl & Lleweth)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:34:09 -0000
Subject: Sinister: The lads I've met in Cupid's deadlock were- shall we say?- born out of wedlock.
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*****
The month is February. The day is cold. Velocity Girl and Laura Llew are 
sitting in front of their fireplace in their frontroom sipping some hot 
strawberry tea, sighing. Suddenly, Velocity Girl screams

Velocity Girl:  Blimey! I just realized that Wednesday is  Valentine's Day.  
My most hated day of the year.  I can't stand this shameless 
commercialization of love! How much can a poor spinisterine take?

Laura:   What's the matter - don't you want to fall in Lovvvvvvveee? Don't 
you want to be swept off your feet by Mr. Perfect, wooed in romance - only 
to find yourself years later drowning in debt with a truckload of kids and 
only seconds of time a day to pen your soon to be bestselling memoirs, "The 
same phrase describes my breast and my marriage: Before the kids, they used 
to be such a cute couple"?

Velocity Girl: *rolls eyes*  Forget love, I'd rather fall into chocolate.

Laura:   You're not going to be getting any guys with that attitude, young 
lady. Nor with what you told that guy who hit on you the other day.  "The 
sexual preference is 'no' and don't talk to my breasts either because you 
will not be meeting them."  *giggles*

Velocity Girl:  Well, I just hate how each year they shove red hearts and 
chocolates in our faces all for the sake of making money, only they do it in 
the name of "love." Love my arse!! You know the quote "culture is the 
commodity that sells all the other"? Well, in this case, it should be "love 
is the commodity that sells all others" because it does! That pisses me off! 
We realize that but we don't have to have it rubbed in our faces like it is 
on bloody Valentine's Day!  We should protest! That's what we should do! 
Enough with the love mongery that functions just like a dildo to true 
emotions!!

Laura:  Protest? As in dress in black, be bitter, chant women are from Venus 
and men are from hell, and then write anti-Valentine's Day rants because 
really that would be *such* a novel idea. Actually, this year I cant be too 
against it since I've fallen in love.

Velocity Girl: *wrinkles nose* No silly! Those are all so passe.. Wait.. 
What did you say? You've fallen in love???? With who? You don't even talk to 
anyone with your nose always in a book!

Laura:  I've fallen for myself since no one else seems to be doing it. That 
way I don't have any competition. Plus, I can have an official reason to be 
self-involved just like couples are. Now when friends come to me with their 
petty problems I can say things such as, "Could you keep the wolverines who 
are tearing your limbs off one by one howling down. I'm trying to talk to my 
snookums."

Velocity Girl: *raises an eyebrow* Ahem.  Well, the only guy I want to get 
is that feathery god of love, cupid. He needs to pay!

Laura: Aww, you're just jealous you're not the one piercing hearts, heh. 
Really, what could you possibly want with an underdressed, overweight guy, 
who has a penchant for throwing tainted arrows into people's hearts? I mean  
I thought the kid in my kindgergarten class who ate glue and ran with 
scissors but cupid sounds like something conjured up during the sixties. He 
can't do anything for us.

Velocity Girl: Laura! Where is your imagination? You have no vision! I think 
we ought to kidnap cupid! Think of a Valentine's Day with no cupid! What 
would it be? All of those lovers will be left helpless without their 
cherubic mascot. There's no such thing as a Valentine's Day with no Cupid! 
Think of the chaos!
*Vel's eyes are sparkling as she gets excited*
There's only one way to ruin Valentine's Day and that's by getting cupid out 
of the way. I thought of bombing places, shoplifting, mocking all the 
couples in the street, but no - nothing else will do.

Laura:  Ok, kidnap cupid. I can't see as how he'd be too hard to catch being 
the fatboy he is. I mean, he has wings but he certainly can't get much 
altitude.. but how would we get close to him? I mean Psyche was his lover 
and she wasn't even allowed to look at him. You think single life is rough - 
imagine not being able to see your mate. Then again, with some of the guys I 
know that might not be such a bad thing...

Velocity Girl: Ok, ok. We'll have to lure him here and then trap him. We 
must use something to bait him here.
*Vel stands up and starts pacing the room as she bites her lip*
I've got it!!! Laura, we can use ourselves as bait! Just think - we're two 
young girls in our prime but we have no lovers. We live alone and mock the 
idea of love all the time. What's better bait than that? We can send a 
letter to cupid saying we've given up on love, we believe that no one will 
ever love us, and all of the other sappy crap we always hear girls sobbing 
as they clutch their harlequinn romances and wonder where their soulmate is. 
He won't be able to resist! He'll have to live up to his name ...

Laura: and when pudgy britches comes fluttering our way - we'll nab him!

Velocity Girl: Exactly! We can throw him in our wet dark dungeon! I don't 
think he'll be in a mood to start mating people nor throw his arrows! We'll 
keep him there till the next day, the 15th and then release him. What do you 
think? The only setback here is that if we do that then we'll be cursed 
forever. No one will ever fall in love with us, cause simply - cupid will 
hate us.

Laura: We have a dungeon?

Velocity Girl: Yes! Let's do it! Grab a piece of paper, perfume it a bit 
with this cheap perfume this boy once bought for me - when was that? Oh yes, 
on Valentine's Day 2 years ago, like he had a cance and even if he did, he 
ruined it by sending me this perfume "Moonlight Magic"! Now is that a name 
for a perfume?

Laura: If we send a letter which has been marinated in cheap perfume, all we 
are going to get in reply is a suggestion not to smell like a cheap whore.  
Call girls make so much more money anyway..

Velocity Girl: Oh ok. Grab a pen. Now, write. Your handwriting is better 
than mine.

Laura: Ya know, that's what I like about our friendship. We might disagree 
over whether we should sell cupid to the underground white slave market or 
sentence him to a dank dungeon, but we never have big arguments. *sighs*
Ok, I'll start. "Dear Fluffy Bottom"

Veocity Girl: Ahem

Laura: *Crumples up the paper*

*Vel starts walking across the room again as she dictates*

Our Dearest Cupid,
We guess you must be really busy at this time of the year, but we are 
desperate!

Laura: *to herself*  Desperate? Maybe I should get that perfume...

Velocity Girl: *continuing* We hate to disturb you, but you are our last and 
only home, you might God of Love! We are just two girls in our prime and for 
some reason we are single. Why is that? Are we cursed? Shall we ever find 
true love? Who's going to send us cards, flowers, and chocolates on 
Valentines Day? We usually send cards to each other, that's how tragic our 
situation is. Therefore, we found the courage to write to you and invite you 
over for cake and strawverry tea. You are the only one who can deal with our 
problem.
With faith in you,
Velocity Girl & Laura Llew


Velocity Girl: So, what do you think? Will he buy it?

Laura: It mentions cake- like he could resist!

Velocity Girl: Then I shall post it right away.........

****
The next day someone knocked on the spinisterine's door. It was none other 
than that feathery fatboy of love, cupid! He was donned in a trenchcoat to 
hide his wings and feathers. Not that that would have seemed odd since he 
was holding a vacuum cleaner. Vel and Laura quickly invited him and led him 
into the frontroom where he was served generous portions of spiked 
strawberry tea and yummy chocolate cake. After a while, cupid started to 
feel sleepy - whether it was due to the drugged tea or that he had just 
asked about their sex life in the past five years - is unknown. He was 
wrapped in a blanket and thrown (dragged rather. Vel & Laura are kind of 
wimpy) into their dungeon. Then, the girls took their books and went to 
their bedrooms. After a while, they heard someone screaming from downstairs. 
They dashed down the stairs to hear Cupid cursing in an unknown language. 
Laura suggested he get a new job as a Taxi Driver but it was not well 
received.

The next day was Valentine's Day. As they looked out on to the street from 
their porch they see pure chaos. Brides running away screaming from their 
weddings, flower shops with their shudders drawn and doors locked, and news 
spreads that all of Micheal Bolton's hair has fallen out as punishment all 
of the rancid love songs he has dumped on the poor masses for years.

*Velocity Girl and Laura look at each other and smile.*

Laura: So, Vel, tell me more about this dungeon of ours?
****

Roses are Red,
Blood is too.
Beware of the thorns -
Love, Vel & Llew.

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From chrislampinen at xxx.com  Wed Feb 14 06:32:40 2001
From: chrislampinen at xxx.com (Christiaan!! !!)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 01:32:40 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Fresca!!
Message-ID: <F214TgC715en8zvZLT300000718@hotmail.com>

>in anticipation of christiaan's arrival. he arrives on thursday. i will be 
>bearing a gift of two pounds of candy. we're moving v-day to feb 15.

OK. Do you know that J Lo song?

iiiiif you want my love
buy me two pounds of jelly beans
doo doo doo doo dooo
doo doo doo doo doooooooooooooooo

I was thinking. There are probably people on the list who don't know who I 
am!! I get mentioned sometimes, but I've never posted! So I think it is time 
to introduce my self.

SO LET ME INTRODUCE TO YOU!! THE ONE AND ONLY BILLY SHEARS!! SGT 
CHRISTIAAN'S ENGLISH MUFFIN CLAAAA-AAAAN!!

Sometimes I wonder, do people ever read my posts? I mean, if I had posted. 
But then I remember- I am the most interesting person ever. In fact, I am 
the Best person ever. So, if I posted, everyone would read it (see you are 
reading it right now I am always correct!) and think things like "fuck, he 
is interesting! I bet Christiaan!! has a hot ass!"

So, what are you thinking right now? What? You think I have a hot ass? Aw, 
shucks!!

I forget that this list is about Belle & Sebastian. That is why I just post 
about me. I am better than Belle & Sebastian anyway. I am better than 
anything. Well, except two pounds of jelly beans.

So, why do I like Belle & Sebastian, you may wonder. Well, first of all they 
are from my hometown of Detroit, Michigan.  Detroit muthafucka!! Kick on the 
jams!! All the best bands, like U2 and Guns 'n Roses, come from Detroit. I 
think Belle & Sebastian are great because Tito (he is my favorite of the 
Sebastian's) can really rock out with his cock out on the ivory.

My favorite Belle & Sebastian album is "Good Humor." "Sylvie" is the 
greatest song ever. I love the five minute guitar solo at the end.

Have you guys heard the Christmas single Belle & Sebastian did with Shania 
Twain and El Toro? It's SO good, but it's almost impossible to find.

I've pre-ordered my B&S DVD! March 11, I hope you are all getting a copy!!

Oh a while back people were talking about Napster, and I meant to put in my 
bits. Here they are:

(_|_)

Also, if you are looking for the perfect valentine's gift, look here:

http://www.australiagift.com/scrotum_shop/

They sell only the finest quality kangaroo scrotums.

I leave for New York in a couple days!!

OK! I am going to do something else now.

I love you all!!

xox
Love,
Christiaan
xoxoxoxoxox


ps: Honey and I are getting married.
pps: Hi Marie!
ppps: Hi Laura Llew!
pppps: Hi You!


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From idleberry at xxx.com  Wed Feb 14 10:02:56 2001
From: idleberry at xxx.com (idleberry)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 02:02:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: *ping!* jeez! just missed that blimin' arrow by a hair! Arrest that young deliquent cherub, officer!
Message-ID: <20010214100256.21196.qmail@web618.mail.yahoo.com>

hey hey,

Happy Valentines day to one and all. I got no less
than five envelopes this morning. Three bank
statements (You have no money- Natwest; here's 5p
interest- BoScotland; new interest rates!- Yorkshire)
plus one from vision express offering me 20 quid off
specs.
And a valentines card. 

Mark Waudby: I love you.
(Thanks for the card, darling!)

I feel a wee bit guilty seeing as I didn't send him
one, but I am waiting to the weekend to give it to him
in person (fnar.)

Hope you lot all got all the cards you wanted. Still,
its Not too late now though. For alternative
valentines day e-cards, try: www.evilvalentines.com
And send one to the enemy of your choice.

Or the love of your life.
Sometimes they are one and the same.

Nice sunny day, and by all rights I should be
knackered.

Had the worst dream last night. I dreamt I had a
wardrobe full of lush clothes to wear, in all the
colours and styles I could imagine. To top it off,
they all looked fabulous on me. Including this pair of
magic grey knickers that sparkled. They were cool. And
a grey sweater like you wore at school.
Woke up to realise I don't actually have that dream
wardrobe.
Thats the bad bit.

Okay, I'm off to discuss legalising prostitution in
class now.

Love 

idles











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From rob_brennan at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 14 13:04:57 2001
From: rob_brennan at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Brennan?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:04:57 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: Valentine Smut
Message-ID: <20010214130457.29902.qmail@web10512.mail.yahoo.com>

Hiya

Is anyone else excited at the idea of Llaura and
Velocity having their own dungeon or should I just
seek treatment?  Oooh... spank me!

Seriously though, sinister, the best way to get
through the dreaded vd while miserably single is
alcohol.  Lots of it.  Drink everything you can lay
your hands on (don't worry about looking like an alcy
- you'll be drinking alone after all).  Equally
important (speaking from experience here) no miserable
music.  For one night you must abandon the usual diet
of the Smiths, B&S*, Nick Drake, Magfields etc etc. 
Break the glass in front of your Who compilations and
dance furiously around the room until you collapse.

It's just one day people.  We'll get through it
together.    

Robster

*Okay some of their stuff's upbeat - best make a tape.
  

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From j.botterman at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 14 00:26:35 2001
From: j.botterman at xxx.uk (Jon Botterman)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:26:35 +0000
Subject: Sinister: VD and old men
Message-ID: <3A89D0B8.71532DA0@rave.ac.uk>

Howdy!

    Did you know that St. Valentine killed himself for the love of a
woman! Well there you go. No more of this St. VD nonsense. It just makes
the lonely ones lonlier and those who have got someone get in a big
argument because they say it's all a load of rubbish. Then she says that
you don't care about her 'cause if you did you'd buy her a card anyway
as it would make her happy. Then you say you'd rather be unhappy but
stick to what you first said. What would happen if I went about changing
my mind all the time. I'd turn into a bleedin' woman. Then she cries and
you say you were just joking and you think all women are equal (except
Denise Van Outen who is a bint). Then she points out that if I can say
things like that and not mean it then I can buy a card and not mean it.
Then I say what's the bloody point of that. She says even a really
little card that I had found in the street would be nice. Even that old
birthday card I forgot to give to my brother. Anything. ANYTHING! No, I
say, and I slam down the phone slightly confused about what the whole
thing was about. So there. Is that what you want? 'Cause that's what'll
happen.

And another thing:

    I was reading Robin Stout's story about an old man on public
transport
and I was reminded of a similar thing that happened to me. I was on the
tram at Croydon ( a horrible place, all grey and tower
blocky. I was only there so I could go somewhere else). I saw a free
seat and was about to sit down when an elderly gentleman got off his
seat at one side of the tram and ran over to the seat which was right in

front of me. Just as he was about to sit down the tram moved, jogging
him backwards. I thought he was going to fall so I went to grab hold of
him. Somehow, in order to try to regain his balance he'd stuck his leg
up to where his arm should have been. He must have been an uncommonly
supple and fast old man as I didn't notice until I had grabbed hold of
his raised leg. He continued falling backwards and was now assisted by a

bumbling student (me) yanking one of his legs from under him. By the
time I had realised what had occurred he had landed on the floor, head
first. I didn't know where to look as two women helped the confused
geriatric off of the floor. Everyone on the tram was staring at me. I
blame the old man for needlessly switching seats but it still didn't
help the fact that I had concussed the stupid grave dodger. Oh well, it
happens to everyone I guess. Thank you for reading this story.

P.S. The thing about St. Valentine is false. I'm sorry but it could be
true. However I do know that Noel Edmonds has taken Clive Anderson
hostage on board a helicopter gun ship!

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From Stuart.Gardiner at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 14 14:14:35 2001
From: Stuart.Gardiner at xxx.uk (Gardiner, Stuart)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:14:35 -0000
Subject: Sinister: She was one in a million. So there's five more just in New South 
	Wales...
Message-ID: <03754DDCC645D311AA6700805F854E4302775470@lotus.ntu.ac.uk>

Continuing my campaign to make you all love the mighty Whitlams...


Well, who'd have thought it. My Valentine's Day has so far lived up to all
my expectations. As in, the only thing that came through the letterbox this
morning was my credit card bill. So I continue my unblemished record - 24
years without a single VD card, and counting...


Archel said:
>it's tiring being a sinister heart-throb. not that i'd know - men seldom
make passes at
girls who wear glasses 

And so I hereby nominate Archel as the official Sinister heart-throb for the
day. Sorry Genevieve, I just feel it's time for me to move on, it's not you
it's me, etc.

(Is "it's not you, it's me" the most commonly used lie in the world? Come
on, admit it, we've all said it at some point in our lives, when really what
we mean is "what the hell made me even want to go out with you in the first
place"...)


Meanwhile, Vel and Llew brought a drop of sunshine into all our lives, and
made us all wonder why  two nice girls in their prime were still single, but
then said:
>It was none other than that feathery fatboy of love, cupid! He was donned
in a trenchcoat to 
hide his wings and feathers. Not that that would have seemed odd since he
was holding a vacuum cleaner.

What the f***? Am I missing something here?

On a slightly more understandable note, Mark Casarotter challenged:
>p.s. wonder if Big Stu fancies facing me on the footie pitch in the near
future ;-)

Any time. Bring it on, big boy...

Anyway, my plan was to give you all a lovely romantic poem for today,
courtesy of the great Pablo Neruda (the best thing to come out of Chile
since wine?), but I came across this one instead which I can identify with
far more:
Oh Earth, Wait For Me

Return me, oh sun,
to my wild destiny,
rain of the ancient wood.
Bring me back its aroma, and the swords
that fall from the sky,
the solitary peace of pasture and rock,
the damp at the river-margins,
the smell of the larch tree,
the wind alive like a heart
beating in the crowded restlessness
of the towering araucaria.

Earth, give me back your pure gifts,
the towers of silence which rose
from the solemnity of their roots.
I want to go back to being what I have not been,
and so learn to go back from such deeps
that amongst all natural things
I could live or not live, it does not matter
to be one stone more, that dark stone,
the pure stone which the river bears away.

Big Stu
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From g.lynch at xxx.com  Wed Feb 14 16:32:36 2001
From: g.lynch at xxx.com (Grainne Elizabeth Mary Lynch)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:32:36 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Thank you sinister for the best Valentine's ever
Message-ID: <HJBFJLPPJCFEIAAA@mailcity.com>

Dear Sin'sters

I'm not a total cynic who hates Valentine's Day, I like anything which results in a break to the routine, but it is hard not to feel a tiny bit depressed as you go through the day as a singleton. 

But today was fun, because of Sinister! With subject lines like 'VD and old men' and 'She was one in million, so five more in New South Wales alone' and Jon's story about grabbing the old man's leg on the tram, I'm sure it wasn't funny at the time, but it made me giggle! I also liked Velocity Girl's story of kidnapping Cupid. And, of course the mystery bluemountain card. How could I not have a lovely Valentine's Day.

I wonder if Stuart M. and Isabel spent the day together???

I'm in class not learning anything. Anyone out there that can teach me how to use 3D studio max? Or even better, send me a little animation to hand up my tutor? I'd love you forever.

That's all I have to say, I hope everyone else's day was as pleasant as mine, and big shing bubbles of love to you all.
Grainne.
 


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From lleweth at xxx.com  Wed Feb 14 17:17:12 2001
From: lleweth at xxx.com (Laura Llew)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:17:12 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Putting the eak! in Phreak
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Two posts from me in one day?

Now you can't say you didn't get lucky on Valentine's Day.

Someone on this list said after reading Mr. Thorniley's hilarious post, they 
felt as if they should be trying to "get in my pants." James, I think we 
need to discuss the frequency of your posts. You're what - half my age? If 
you didn't speak English and only had three days left in the country before 
you had to leave to never return due to Visa problems, you would be exactly 
what I'm looking for in a guy. Yeah, I've given up on going weak in the 
knees for witty literary b&s and pixie loving boys. Oh wait - what is that I 
hear? Rush Limbaugh and Bill Clinton just sprouted wings and are taking 
flight?*

/me sees Vel & Chrstiaan giving me disapproving looks with their arms 
crossed and one foot tapping.
Um, I mean - Ewwwww boys. Guys are icky.

I find it humorous that Archel would call me a heartthrob when I didn't get 
a DANG THING for Valentine's Day. Well, except for a super cute ecard from 
Vel & one from Ken  - the latter of which he probably sent to all the girls 
in hopes they'd discover what a witty, charming, and irresistible boy he is. 
However, I made lots of Valentines as usual. A couple of years ago I even 
made some and gave them out at a nursing home. All my friends made fun of me 
and, of course, wouldn't come with me but it was still pretty fun. Somehow, 
I resisted the temptation to write on any of them, "I've fallen for you ... 
and I can't get up." However, there was one that was a train and said "I 
choo choo choose you as my Valentine."

Since I don't have a love life I suppose I should talk about B&S. Or maybe 
I'll just talk about their love lives instead. I don't know why we keep 
'beating around the bush. We all know why no one liked the new album as much 
as their prior releases. There's not one single masturbation reference at 
all!! I guess since Sebastian was getting it AWN with Belle, he was too good 
for himself.
Mmm, this is mildly smutty.

Should I continue?
YES!

The other day I couldn't figure out how to spell 'boudoir.' I kept getting 
the ou and oi confused. It was frustrating me and so I finally had to resort 
to typing in Alexander Borgia's name on the yahoo search page and TA-DA 
there it was.  "A sensual boudoir for the romantic pleasures of women." 
Ahahaha. Alex, baby, if you're still on the list - I'm not laughing at you - 
I'm laughing far (far) away from you. If I remember correctly, he called me 
a tart. According to thespark.com, he is so wrong. Why I'm as pure as a 
Mountain Stream. Yup! "Basically, love flows from you like fresh, clean 
water from a Rocky mountain stream. Be careful, because some guy might 
combine you with only the choicest hops and turn you into a beer."  I'm 
mistaken for beer quite a lot which might be why I like going to baseball 
games so much.

-----------
Then I realized that I was just in my bra and a guy whose name I didn't even 
know was peppering my stomach with kisses. And wait - how did my hair turn 
blonde?**
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Lethally Loquacious Lusty Laura Llew Leisurely Lisped:
>>In our next edition of Laura Llew's Ramblings --  # Sinister: Satan's 
>>Chatroom or The Land of Milk(maids) & Honey

Ooh, that's the first time I've ever quoted myself before. I think I like it 
-  I figure with all the new people toddling in I can start recycling my old 
posts in hopes I'll get more responses the second time around. Like my idea 
of a program to adopt poor struggling youngns like myself and help them on 
the right path by donating mix tapes or money to buy them cds. For the costs 
of filling your car up with gas, you can sponsor a girl so that she might 
have decent music to listen to. Poor impoverished Laura is stuck in a dank 
dim world filled with drab radio stations that only play backstreet boys and 
broccoli spears. Add light and enlightenment to her life by helping her so 
that her life might become a cornucopia of wonderful musical endeavors and 
happiness that will feel her very soul (yes, she even has a soul!). Every 
week you will receive a letter from your adoptee (me) telling of how your 
donation has enriched my life. I'll even send you doe eyed pictures of me 
snuggling up to my new treasures that will melt your heart (if you have one. 
which can only be proven if you participate in this program that is the 
highest echelon of charity). Well, that or I'll have Vu draw something for 
me to send. I know you are all tempted (to delete this letter. Go ahead. 
Shatter all my dreams...)

I digress (which IS easy to do when one is as impoverished as I am.)

# Sinister Saved My Life. AuntSadie is having Chris Lampien's Luv Child
I've always felt like a content goldilocks in North Carolina. It's not too 
hot in the summer and never too cold in the winter. However, this winter 
things have gone awry and we've had lots of snow. I like snow - as long as 
I'm inside sipping on hot chocolate and looking out on it saying, "Oooh 
pretty." Actually, I even like being out in snow as long as I'm not in a 
vehicle, not on the curvy mountain road that I drive every day, and not 
having to dodge a large truck as it slides down sideways. So, I've found 
myself fretting about driving in the powdery white often this winter and one 
day I even got driving tips from Starfire Dave while in #sinister.

For New Years, I went on a roadtrip to the deep south since rumor has it 
that Jack Frost never visits there. Remember children, rumors are usually 
lies!  I got stuck driving in snow in Mississippi which was ok until I came 
across a pothole which I did not see until too late since it was covered by 
the white stuff. It sent my car sliding all over the road. Have I mentioned 
yet that the on the right side there was no shoulder but only a steep drop? 
My car starts spinning in circles and I'm about to go off the road when I 
suddenly thought, "Starfire said to steer into the slide."  (Would you look 
at that? Crisis situation and my thoughts exemplify alliteration. That, my 
friends, is talent).  I don't even know what that means but I did it. And my 
hokey - it worked! I have now have a new hero! Dave, if we ever meet I owe 
you a big hug and no - that's not exchangeable for money. I just hope that 
it stays dry at the end of this month when I wander up to north to NJ and 
NY.

I hope we keep the talk about Twin Peaks, children's books, and midgets on 
ponies up on this list. I'm a fan of all three. Jer and Mike are now on my 
list of Sinisterines who I adore just for mentioning TP. Along with Julie 
who is at the top of the list because she thought of me while reading 
Virginia Woolf. I know she didn't mean it in that way but it's probably the 
best compliment I've ever gotten. Oh and Kittenmouse Andrea because she 
dressed up as the log lady for Halloween one year. That's ace. As far as 
Blake and The Giving Tree, how could anyone *not* cry upon reading that 
book. I have both Silverstein and a Little Prince prints up in my room and I 
usually spend each Saturday morning squirreled away in the children's 
section of the bookstore reading kiddy books. With Silverstein, Seuss, the 
Little Prince, the Selfish Giant, Cloudy with a chance of meatballs, 
Goodnight Moon, and Tuesdays -you can't go wrong!

What???? There's been no talk of Midgets On Ponies?!?!

Why do I even bother?

Laura
"meeting all of your Laura Llew needs since 1977"

*sorry Big Stu - you made me do it
** http://www.missprint.org/sinister/sillustrations/
(No 1) -- Just helping you out, Vu

  Search This!
  AuntSadie's Luv child; masturbation; midgets on ponies; getting lucky
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From pinefox1 at xxx.com  Wed Feb 14 22:35:09 2001
From: pinefox1 at xxx.com (P F)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:35:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: One day, I'm going to write a poem or a letter
Message-ID: <20010214223509.11191.qmail@web5304.mail.yahoo.com>


Or is it, *in* a letter?

Valentine's Day - which Billy Bragg once called 'The
14th of February'. Does anyone remember that song? It
was definitely a high point, a very high point, on his
disappointing LP William Bloke.

I do indistinctly remember spending past Valentines
Days walking around provincial squares in rainy dreams
of impossible romance. Funnily enough I have not done
that today. Are my Valentine days over? Did they ever
begin?

It may be a blessing not to receive valentines. In
which case, curse the sender of that electronic
valentine thing I got earlier. At least I was
apparently able to read it.

I have been reading and thinking about Lionel
Trilling, who taught at his alma mater Columbia
University from 1932 and died in 1975, aged 70. His
widow Diana lived till 1996, and wrote copious, or
voluminous, or both varieties of, book reviews till
not so long before her own demise. You can find info
on her on the 'internet'.

re. Trilling, I have been wondering about two things:

1. Why does his writing appeal to me in an age when it
is so 'dated' - so much a voice from the past? Of
course, the beginning of the answer is: *because* it's
a voice from history. I have made some notes on this
phenomenon. I wonder if anyone has anything else to
say about it.

A subsidiary question here is: does non-fictional
writing become 'historical' in a different way from,
or at a different rate from, literary work?

2. Trilling's theory of culture. It is not that easy
to summarize right now, but it seems crucially to
involve the idea that in modernity, the individual
self is, even should be, almost irredeemably
antagonistic to the 'culture' which has formed her -
and of which she is 'inextricably' a part, save that
her antagonism to it seems to produce a certain action
of 'extrication'. For Trilling, the bulk of great
modern literature testifies to this necessary,
honourable antagonism between self and society,
malcontent subject and social world.

Here is a reservation. The basis of the self's
'opposition' to culture, for Trilling, seems often to
be something innate - something irreducibly biological
(as in his 1955 essay 'Freud: Within and Beyond
Culture'), or a relatively abstract faculty of reason
(as in his 1962 essay on Dr Leavis and Sir Charles
Snow). Such forces, for Trilling, are just about the
only imaginable bulwarks against what we might now
call a strong culturalism - a sense that culture goes
'all the way down' and cannot be appealed or battled
against. Yet - this, simply, is my reservation - are
these pure, acultural forces really that convincing as
forces against culture? Can we still muster much faith
in them now? Reason is a fine thing, but we're used by
now to stressing its 'situatedness' in cultural
settings (as in, I think, the essay by Habermas, from
ten years back or so, which is actually called
'Situating Reason' or some such - it's at the start of
a book whose title has escaped me for a while). I
think we have to find a way of thinking beyond the
opposition: constraints of determining culture vs
abilities of unconditioned mind. We might start by
seeking a less monistic conception of culture as such
- for it strikes me that Trilling shares a somewhat
monistic conception of culture and its power over the
individual with (of all people!) Stanley Fish.

What do you think?


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From megatherion5 at xxx.com  Wed Feb 14 23:18:55 2001
From: megatherion5 at xxx.com (Jason McKinnon)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:18:55 -0800
Subject: Sinister: One day, I'm going to write a poem or a letter
Message-ID: <F24DG9S8WlSOBCCLjCf00012c7b@hotmail.com>

Trilling was mentioned in Whit Stillman's movie, Metropolitan. The main 
character a young man of middle class values but above average intelligence 
lands in a upper crust Manhattan group of debutantes --- with sexy results. 
(Just Kidding!)

This young man mentions that his favorite author is Trilling, and that he 
agrees with Trilling's review of Mansfield Park --- basically that it's 
ridiculous by modern standards. Later he admits to actually never reading 
books (i.e. Mansfield Park) but rather he prefers to read the criticism 
instead.

He later reads Mansfield Park and likes it.

Although, without reading much of Trilling myself, I would have to agree, 
PF.

It would seem that Trilling is caught up in his own dichotomy. More reaction 
than action...although that is just replacing it with another duality. I 
happen to think that most good work is a result of action, but not all.

And I definitely agree that when we look at ourselves and thereby our work 
by itself and it's own merits and not by comparison we become to creep up on 
true expression.

PF, the world is just now beginning to realize that this mode of "if it's 
not black, then it must be a shade of white" thinking is holding us back as 
communicators, friends, and artists.

Static abounds.

The ability to believe yes, no and maybe of the same question will be the 
quantum jump in thinking that breaks the old mold.

And will make for some interesting times......










Or is it, *in* a letter?

Valentine's Day - which Billy Bragg once called 'The
14th of February'. Does anyone remember that song? It
was definitely a high point, a very high point, on his
disappointing LP William Bloke.

I do indistinctly remember spending past Valentines
Days walking around provincial squares in rainy dreams
of impossible romance. Funnily enough I have not done
that today. Are my Valentine days over? Did they ever
begin?

It may be a blessing not to receive valentines. In
which case, curse the sender of that electronic
valentine thing I got earlier. At least I was
apparently able to read it.

I have been reading and thinking about Lionel
Trilling, who taught at his alma mater Columbia
University from 1932 and died in 1975, aged 70. His
widow Diana lived till 1996, and wrote copious, or
voluminous, or both varieties of, book reviews till
not so long before her own demise. You can find info
on her on the 'internet'.

re. Trilling, I have been wondering about two things:

1. Why does his writing appeal to me in an age when it
is so 'dated' - so much a voice from the past? Of
course, the beginning of the answer is: *because* it's
a voice from history. I have made some notes on this
phenomenon. I wonder if anyone has anything else to
say about it.

A subsidiary question here is: does non-fictional
writing become 'historical' in a different way from,
or at a different rate from, literary work?

2. Trilling's theory of culture. It is not that easy
to summarize right now, but it seems crucially to
involve the idea that in modernity, the individual
self is, even should be, almost irredeemably
antagonistic to the 'culture' which has formed her -
and of which she is 'inextricably' a part, save that
her antagonism to it seems to produce a certain action
of 'extrication'. For Trilling, the bulk of great
modern literature testifies to this necessary,
honourable antagonism between self and society,
malcontent subject and social world.

Here is a reservation. The basis of the self's
'opposition' to culture, for Trilling, seems often to
be something innate - something irreducibly biological
(as in his 1955 essay 'Freud: Within and Beyond
Culture'), or a relatively abstract faculty of reason
(as in his 1962 essay on Dr Leavis and Sir Charles
Snow). Such forces, for Trilling, are just about the
only imaginable bulwarks against what we might now
call a strong culturalism - a sense that culture goes
'all the way down' and cannot be appealed or battled
against. Yet - this, simply, is my reservation - are
these pure, acultural forces really that convincing as
forces against culture? Can we still muster much faith
in them now? Reason is a fine thing, but we're used by
now to stressing its 'situatedness' in cultural
settings (as in, I think, the essay by Habermas, from
ten years back or so, which is actually called
'Situating Reason' or some such - it's at the start of
a book whose title has escaped me for a while). I
think we have to find a way of thinking beyond the
opposition: constraints of determining culture vs
abilities of unconditioned mind. We might start by
seeking a less monistic conception of culture as such
- for it strikes me that Trilling shares a somewhat
monistic conception of culture and its power over the
individual with (of all people!) Stanley Fish.

What do you think?


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From boyfreind_in_a_coma at xxx.com  Thu Feb 15 00:42:38 2001
From: boyfreind_in_a_coma at xxx.com (Desmond Torpey)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:42:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: loose change, lonely hearts and the rudeness of old folk...
Message-ID: <20010215004238.10219.qmail@web1602.mail.yahoo.com>

hello...
..thank the good lord thats over with for another
year...ah dammit..i promised i wouldnt whinge about
the lack of squishy kind of love in my life...my
willpower collapsed on the first line...tsk tsk...well
i hoped the loved up ones on the list had a gorgeous
day and i hope those lurking in singledom didnt have
too awful a time...see? i'm all heart me...sigh...just
nobody to share it with...
....as if valentines day wasnt enough i was also
abused by several members of the public this
morning...including two old men on the
bus...pensioners on public transport seems to be a
reccuring theme lately...as i stepped on the bus the
conversation went thusly...

old man 1 : look at 'im there
old man 2 : what a woman
old man 1 : suprised he didnt get his purse out
old man 2 : (laughs heartily)
old man 1 : hang on, is that actually a girl?
old man 2 : nah, surely not
old man 1 : ah yeah, no tits see

...pah!...they'e not all sweet old men with a talent
for fishing and moaning...pensioners are
eeeeeevil...maybe i should have used the previous
story for inspiration....swept their legs from under
them and watch them scrabble in the aisle for loose
change and werthers originals...i was looking
distinctly less girlie than usual today as well..in
the wise words of one alan partridge:

 " i just dont like the general public "

...i consoled myself by going home and putting 'i know
its over' on repeat for half an hour in typical lonely
teenager fashion...trust mozzer to lighten the mood on
valentines day....maybe i should have sent a card to
laura llews mother..she sounds like a knowledgeable
lady..thats probably really disturbed poor laura
now....i really shouldnt have watched the graduate
yesterday....
...okay self pity over...er...spread the love and all
that hippy nonsense...
ta ta!

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From ruvi at xxx.com  Thu Feb 15 00:57:36 2001
From: ruvi at xxx.com (Ruvi Simmons)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:57:36 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Dreaming of loving on the graves of dead strangers
Message-ID: <003d01c096ea$4befe320$6700000a@infotrek.co.uk>

Although I am far removed from being a pious man, I feel it my duty, my
sacred obligation, if you will, to inform you all that this is not merely
the Feast Day of St. Valentine, but also of St. Cyril and his brother
Methodius. These two individuals were instrumental in the translation of
Catholic liturgies from the traditional Latin into the Slavic vernacular,
and thus more generally, in propogating the idea that Church services could
be performed in the local language. Therefore, I propose, for all you
disaffected, solitary lovers in exile, disenfranchised from a lover whom you
may not have met, give praise, not to St. Valentine, but to St. Cyril. I am
aware, of course, that it is probably not as interesting to praise the
translation of liturgies as it is to present gifts to a lover in the hope
of, later, receiving something in return, but one must make do with what one
can have.

Alternatively, I have contrived a different approach. The living are capable
of resistance, evasion and response. Those who have passed on are not
blessed with the same capacity. Therefore, select a corpse to make love to
(figuratively speaking, that is). They can't reject, spurn or scorn your
advances, they can only remain silent which, as every sweaty palmed lech
knows, is as good as consent. In this spirit, I have poured over persons
deceased to try and select someone to make My Valentine. The person who
sprang immediately to mind was Sylvia Plath. I have been besotted with that
particular dysfunctional poet for years now, since I read the Bell Jar and
felt an enormous, alas frustrated, compulsion to seize her and spirit her
away from the hack poets, the uninspired, and the listless. Take her away
from and elevate her above the level of tawdry society. I see myself having
my cheek bitten by her colonnades of opalescent teeth, not that of the
dreadful, adulterous Ted Hughes, and I feel a stab of bitter ecstasy strike
my heart. But no, she will not be my dead Valentine.

...So who shall it be? Mary Shelley? Poor, gentle Mary Shelley was, for all
her talents as a writer, all her intellect, compassion and spirit, as ugly
as sin. That is terrible, isn't it? I would give, not just my right arm, but
all four limbs to receive the opportunity to converse with sincere,
passionate minds and to commune with luminous spirits, yet I reject poor
horse-faced Mary Shelley on the most trivial of reasons. But, regardless, it
cannot be her. George Eliot? She looked like a Church of England
schoolteacher. Bette Davis? An elegant smoker, peculiarly beautiful, yet, I
suspect, as dim-witted and tedious as everyone else who has the patience and
lack of inspiration to devote their lives to the pursuit of fame. Lady Agnew
of Lochnaw springs to mind, but all I know about her is the Sargent
painting, in which she reclines languidly, her muslin dress rustling about
her shapely legs like the foam out of which Aphrodite was born, her lips
smiling mysteriously as her large eyes hypnotise the viewer with their
strong, sensual gaze. But that is all I know and, much as I would like it to
be otherwise, it is not enough.

I think the problem is that pretty girls do not make great thinkers. That is
probably an even more deplorable statement than the one made about Mary
Shelley. Yet I cannot help thinking it is true. Women in possession of
physical beauty need not worry about their future, for it is assured; they
need not struggle with their intellectual demons, because everywhere they
turn they are told that the most important thing in life is aesthetic
appearances. Thus they skim over the surface of life, tripping along with
delicious gaits, sultry pouts, and empty heads. The ugly girls, on the other
hand, the shunned, disaffected and lonely, they turn, perhaps first in
dismay but later with sincere ardour, to intellectual expansion. They have
no hope of meeting a dashing man, they who stand at a lower level in this
obscene society of fleeting images which are gone before we see them rot,
and thus they turn inwards in the hope of solace.

It seems rather sad and pathetic that, even when trawling through history in
search of some dead lover, I come up with nothing, doesn't it? Yet, I think
I have found something, but like with most things in life, when one
surmounts and impasse or finds a means of solving a problem, it is not
merely one option that presents itself, but myriad. So, from nothing, I have
a wealth of potential Valentine's on my hands. What is more, it is to
Eastern Europe I turn, that once home of revolution, that land mass where
many turned in hope of finding a solution to the problems of the world and
where I, more humbly yet no less ardently, now turn in search of deceased
lovers. Although those in hope of humanity's redemption may have been
disappointed, I have not. I have found Anna Akhmatova, an elegant poetess,
Wislawa Szymborska (who, I might add, is actually still alive, although for
all her chances of seeing this she is as good as dead to me though
thankfully not to herself) and, best of all, Marina Tsvetaeva. Beautifuly,
demure yet passionate, a placid lake with a dizzying undertow. And so, in
the spirit, not of St. Cyril, but St. Valentine, I give her own lines back
to her in praise:

          Don't think that there's any grave here,
          Or that I'll come and throw you out ...
          I myself was too much given
          To laughing when one ought not.

          The blood hurtled to my complexion,
          My curls wound in flourishes ...
          I was, passer-by, I existed!
          Passer-by, stop here, please.

          And take, pluck a stem of wildness,
          The fruit that comes with its fall --
          It's true that graveyard strawberries
          Are the biggest and sweetest of all.

There was a lesson in all of this, of that I am quite sure. But, on the
advise of my dear father, I will not tell. I will remain aloof from
moralising and let whoever has borne with me to this point decide for
themselves which is, after all, far more fun anyway. In the meantime, I
realise I really ought to stem this tide for both my sake and whatever eyes
have been so indulgent and patient with me. So, I wish you all, living and
dead, a happy Valentine's Day.

Ruvi.

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From ryanbthat at xxx.com  Thu Feb 15 01:11:25 2001
From: ryanbthat at xxx.com (Rinaldo Thatchez)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:11:25 -0800
Subject: Sinister: She's got the radio active and it makes me feel okay, I don't feel okay
Message-ID: <LAW2-F85TNZStgLzhVO00009431@hotmail.com>

Okay, so some of you may see this as some kind of list abuse being that 
there is no mention of a certain band (although the patient among you will 
find the Gentle Waves a bit further on) but if we expand our definition of 
the list to be "a community of music lovers" - not too much of a stretch - 
then I think this is somewhat appropriate.  Especially since this is a day 
for lovers to celebrate their love.

And since I not only love music, but I also love each and every one of you - 
no, really - I wanted to share something with you on this day, which is 
already over for many of you, I know. It's the special Valentine's Day 
edition of my favorite morning radio program, John in the Morning on KCMU. 
John has hand picked and taken requests for everyone's favorite songs about 
Luurve and they are all lovingly laid out for you below. You may find some 
of your favorites. And if you feel like you want to get some of this hot 
lovin' again, you can even listen to it live on the web at www.kcmu.org.

XO - Rinaldo, who got no flowers and only others' unwanted chocolates


6-7 AM
The Cure "End" ( a song about not loving someone if they don't know who
you are)
Dandy Warhols "I Love you" (about loving others or yourself?)

Rainer Maria "Atropine" (a song about Atropine)
Spain "I'm Leaving You" (no seriously, get to the point)
Brian Jonestown Massacre "Open Heart Surgery" -R (about ones heart being
ripped from ones chest)

Rodney Crowell "I Know Love is All I need" (that and a 6 pack)
Magnetic Fields "Papa was a Rodeo"-R (From Pat to Robin)
Radio Nationals "In Threes" (From Richard to Jared, true love)

Stars "My Radio" (being in love with your radio, but only on KCMU)
Erykah Badu "I'm in Love With You" -R (lucky bastard)

Sugar "Explode and Make Up"-R (in that order)

7-8 AM
Spoon "Everything Hits at Once" (Realizing your loved one is gone)
Garageland "Love Song" ("a very sick love song, its just a love song")

Replacements "Valentine/ Kiss me on the Bus" -R (Paul Westerberg = Love)
Bare Jr "Kiss me (or I will cry)" (I've tried that line before, never
works)

Ladytron "Open Your Heart" (Nothing spells romance like the Human League)
Saint Etienne "Kiss and Make Up" (right)
Call and Response "I Know you want Me" (Knowing is the easy part.)

Moby "What Love" (the love one has for a great steak.� I'm kidding, it's a
joke.� I'm a vegetarian)
John Spencer Blues Explosion "Lovin Machine" (My nickname in Junior
Highactually it was dumbshit)
Buzzcocks "Ever Fallen in love with someone you Shouldn've" (If I had
nickel for every time I had, I'd have a buck fifty right now)
The Briefs "Rotten Love" (gross)

Bollywood Breaks "Tonight My Love" ( Music from Indian film Soundtracks.
Very romantic)
Air "All I need" -R (From a Morning Faithful in Idaho, what they think
when they think love)
Buellton "Single" (I remember wanting to destroy on this day)

8-9 AM
Low "Sunflower" (Lovely)
Afghan Whigs "Let me Lie to You" ("discover your lover between the legs of
another")
Souvenirs "Heart on a Chain" (At least its near your chest)
Palace Brothers "You Will miss me when I Burn" (no definition needed)

Sigur Ros "The Heart Pounds (Boom Boom Boom)" (At least something in
Iceland is warm)
My Bloody Valentine "Only Shallow"
Love and Rockets "Haunted when the Minutes Drag" -R (Morning Faithful
Cindy from N. California)

Bande Original "Peep-Show Kebab" (give the gift of porn)
Pigeonhed "We're Comin Together" (a sign of a healthy relationship)
The Turn Ons "My Man" (local love)
Joy Division "Love will tear us apart" -R
King Missile "My Heart is a Flower" (ahhhh sarcastic love, the best kind)
Vaselines "Rory Rides me Raw" (um.uh.wellum)

9-10 AM
Le Tigre "Yr Critique" (not a love song, just a good song)
The Pixies "Gigantic" (a big big love)

Massive Attack "Protection" (pure love)
Kid Loco "Love me Sweet"
-The hot calendar

Los Halos "My Heart is an Arrow" (love from PA)
The Mountain Goats "There Will be no Divorce" (always a good sign, well
almost always)
The Gentle Waves "Solace for Pain" (Heartache)
The Magic Magicians "I'm on your side" (More Heartache, John Atkins voice
is pure heartache)

Arab Strap "New Birds" (not only a messed up love song but a device used
for studding horses!)
Hope Sandoval "Around my Smile" (I'm not sure if this is about love, but
with her voice who cares)
Brad "Buttercub" (this song is just beautiful)
Tim Easton "Get some Lonesome" (Yeah!� Get some!)

Iggy Pop "I wanna be your Dog" -R�� Happy V-Day

"R": Request
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From jiffy_popper at xxx.com  Thu Feb 15 02:44:24 2001
From: jiffy_popper at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:44:24 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Put your hands around me. I am the blackest,coldest pint you will ever drink
Message-ID: <F139YaYabvhTWx1SV8O00008b7c@hotmail.com>

http://www.missprint.org/sinister/sillustrations

How talented those sinisterines are! Well, there are two that don't really 
belong in comparison, but oh well...I ADORE the upturned snout (or is it a 
muzzle?) of the Saucy Fox in no.6. Which post is the inspiration for no.1? 
Is it a depiction of a prelude to the One Hand or Two? bra-unhooking debate 
from recent Sinister posts? The boy looks kind of like Stuart David...well 
he has that same haircut, the one from that lovely black-and-white photo 
where Stuart is kneeling in front of a wrapped woman.

How cruel is BigStu? The devil- my first list crush and he dumps me on 
Valentine's Day. Perhaps not as bad as my friend's crush who said he would 
not buy her chocolates as they are fattening.

Did you see the Cool or Fool bit on the freakytrigger site? I should put my 
picture on there, if only to be described like this:
"A Tori Amos fan no doubt. She draws faeries during class. She makes flower 
necklaces at lunchtime. She goes home and writing confessional poetry about 
how her English teacher is a fascist."
underground parking lot.
My english teacher's birthday is also Valentine's Day.(All of 27) How 
adorable is this, he handed out Neruda's 'Full Woman, Flesh-Apple, Hot Moon' 
poem and then told us he reads Neruda when his wife is away. The very same 
poem that Gunther wrote Honey! This is the stuff of Valentine's Day that I 
can't get enough of. All the perfumes and lotions, too. I always have that 
image of sitting with my beloved on a swinging bench in a veranda, on a 
farm, and it's dusk and the air is misty. Or maybe slow dancing at the soda 
shoppe in the 50's. The lovely Spinisterines will have me killed for being 
so silly. I do love observing on Valentine's Day though.
Anyways, later on in class, I gave my teacher Paul Durcan's 'My Beloved 
Compares Herself to a Pint of Stout' as a Valentine's poem. Trousers first 
posted that poem long, long ago on  here and it has never left my mind since 
the first read.

When I was working at the cafe the other day, my friend pointed out the 
blue-eyed regular (who happens to be Scottish, with a very heavy accent) 
outside, so I went to give him a free hot chocolate, and ohhh to hear him 
speak, but then I had to go back inside and unromantically clean out the 
fridge, and I was all flustered.

Love,
Genevieve
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From banchorymerchandise.uk at xxx.net  Thu Feb 15 10:03:19 2001
From: banchorymerchandise.uk at xxx.net (Katrina House)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:03:19 -0000
Subject: Sinister: b&s night in manchester this week
Message-ID: <00e701c09745$f636d4a0$6484fc3e@katrina>

***  public service announcement ***

The first ELECTRIC HONEY - A Night of B & S is this Friday 16th February @
The Star & Garter Fairfield St Manchester.

Admission is £3 or £2 to anyone with a B & S badge or t-shirt !

Starts at 10pm & finishes at 2am.

A B & S track every three songs plus loads of related bands/music.

It'll be fun !


*** ends ***

that's all for now,
katrina.


banchory merchandising ltd.
po box 25074    glasgow   g2 6yl   scotland
email: shop at banchory.net

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From keiji357 at xxx.com  Thu Feb 15 12:47:15 2001
From: keiji357 at xxx.com (Geysel Frass)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 04:47:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Do you mind if I compartmentalise?  I hate to, but may I?
Message-ID: <20010215124715.46466.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com>

Yada, yada...

A little while ago, Mr Miller doused the MagFs (and
specifically 69LS) with kerosene and spat a lit match
into their faces.  My advice here is: give up.  There
are those of us who, 18 months ago, thought there was
probably a decent EP trying gamely to wriggle its way
out of each disc - folks who would now proclaim that
it was always worth at least a double-LP; others would
clock 20 peaches, 20 lemons and a smattering of
pomegranates upon hearing the Merritt opus - these
souls (particularly post-Lyric) can now count the
skippable tunes without removing the second glove.  If
you can�t find a single redeeming feature ten songs in
(and 69LS starts pretty strongly), then it ain�t for
you.  Five years down the line you might find yourself
whistling �Chicken� as you unscrew a carton of
semi-skimmed, but that�s not worth fifteen of your
quids, even (especially?) if it�s a slice of your
embezzled riches.  

Which is good - look where unanimous popular acclaim
gets you.  The Third Bleedin� Reich.  We can�t let
*that* happen again.

In the midst of a post as taut and fascinating as a 
Standish Bauxall novella, Genevieve said:

�underground parking lot�

...just like that, with no embellishment or
explication.  It reminded me of Teletext in areas of
poor reception, where a refreshed page only partially
replaces the previous screen of text.

�Arsene Wenger threatened today to leave English
football if UEFA and FIFA cannot resolve
savaged by wolverines.  Prosecuting, Julian Flax QC
said that there was little doubt that kidney damage�

...that kind of thing.  Perhaps someone else is trying
to communicate with us using Ms Wesley as a vessel? 
The mind boggles.  I am in a state of bogglation. 
Bogglitude is something that is happening to me.

I've stopped.

G.  

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From belle_sebastian at xxx.br  Thu Feb 15 13:33:08 2001
From: belle_sebastian at xxx.br (Leonardo Pereira)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:33:08 GMT-3
Subject: Sinister: Relative artists
Message-ID: <3a8bda94.872.0@brfree.com.br>

Hi !!!

This my second post here.
Last weekend was the best of this year so far.
I went to Yo La Tengo's gig here in Rio (Brazil) and it was wonderful.
Can't wait for my vacation in March/April when I'll be able to see them again
in UK and Dublin.

Talking about my vacation, yesterday I felt a little sad when I heard that Teenage
Fanclub will be playing in Greece the weekend before I'll be there. That sucks!
But that's ok, I couldn't be that lucky anyway.

By the way, does anybody knows if there's any festivals/gigs in Scotland while
I'll be there in April?
And one more question is if anyone can tell me which Hefner's albums have the
people from B+S played?
And also which Albums had Mick, Richard and Chris contributed?
I've already know the name of the bands they had played but I'd like to know
the albums.

See you all,
Leo.
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From sad_fluffy_ghd at xxx.com  Thu Feb 15 14:37:41 2001
From: sad_fluffy_ghd at xxx.com (GEORGE HENRY DICKIE)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:37:41 -0000
Subject: Sinister: FUMBLING COCK DOCTOR
Message-ID: <F166YCT4aJ6pkNzPZrI00004ddf@hotmail.com>



  HIGH HEELS
TOUCHING DARK GRIMEY STREETS
SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN                                      B
                                                                  L
                                                                  A      BUT 
I WON'T BE                                                    C   THERE      
                                                        K

MM                                                                2
                                                                  6
      ONCE UPON A SATURDAY

           THERE WAS THIS FULL MOON THING

  MMM IT WAS SO BRIGHT
I COULD NOT SLEEP


                OBVIOUSLY MY MIND TURNED TO TEENWOLF
AND THE FINAL SONG

*SHOOTING FOR THE MOON*

               MMM IT MAKES ME CRY


MMM
I PUT A STOP TO IT


        BECAUSE BOYS DON'T CRY


MM
           I GOT OUT OF BED



AND
   PRACTICED DANCE ROUTINES FOR A FEW DEVO SONGS


          MMM
I WANT TO BE A ROBOTS IN DISGUISE GROUPIE


                      MMM ANYWAY THE MOON
           WENT AWAY
  AND I COULD SLEEP

BUT

MMM I WAS TOOOO AWAKE BY THIS TIME

           MMM
   IT SEEMED THE WORLD WAS ASLEEP AND

I COULD DO WHATEVER I WANTED

   I HAD A PLAN TO RAID NIGELLA LAWSON'S FRIDGE

                             (NEW NIGELLA SERIES IS HAPPENING I HEAR)


              BUT I CHICKENED OUT

  AND JUST PLAYED SOME SONGS


                          SONGS R MORE MAGICAL AT NIGHT

           I PRETENDED I WAS A DJ OR SOMETHING

THE GRAVEYARD SHIFT
           YER

MMM

    I OPENED UP A BIG BAG OF
SKITTLES

                  MMM I FELT WILD
THE PARTY WAS IN FULL SWING
                    YER

     MMM WHIST PLAYING SONGS

              I CAME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT

    *FAMILY TREE* - B&S

  IS A TRIBUTE TO

*(I'M) THE END OF THE FAMILY LINE* - MORRISSEY



                            MMM THIS MADE ME THINK THERE IS A CONNECTION
BETWEEN ISOBEL AND MOZ

              MMMM

                      I STARTED TO THINK
  THAT
            *PARTNER IN CRIME* GENTLE WAVES
   WAS ABOUT
A SEXUAL AFFAIR
ISOBEL HAD WITH MOZ

                            YER THE SKITTLES BY NOW
HAD TAKEN EFFECT


   MMM
I PLAYED THE SONG


AND

        STARTED TO LAUGH

         I THOUGHT I HEARD ISOBEL SWEAR

MMM I THOUGHT IT MAY JUST BE THE SKITTLES


SO I LISTENED AGAIN

BUT IT WAS STILL THERE




        I KNOW GENTLE WAVES ISN'T EVERYBODY'S FAV SUBJECT

BUT

U KNOW

THE LINE IN *PARTNER IN CRIME*     NEAR THE START

*SHE HAD A FRIEND WHO SWORE YOU COULD EVOKE THE ANGELS SIMPLY BY PRAYER*


                        WELL

              THAT NIGHT IT SOUNDED LIKE

*SHE HAD A FRIEND WHO SWORE YOU COULD FUCK THE ANGELS SIMPLY BY PRAYER*


          MMM
      I THOUGHT THAT WOULD MAKE A GREAT
GENTLE WAVES T-SHIRT

    IS KATRINA LISTENING?



                 MMM MAYBE IT WAS JUST THE SKITTLES
       PLAYING WITH MY MIND


BUT


TO THIS DAY



                        SHE STILL SAYS *FUCK*
MMM SORRY
HONEY
   ISOBEL TOLD ME TO


MMMM

YER THERE IS MORE TO ISOBEL
  THAN JUST
   A KITTEN PLAYING WITH A BALL OF STRING




              I LIKED HER
      TOTP SUCXCESS STICKER STATEMENT THING

                                                                  R
                                                                  E
                                                                  D
MAYBE *SISTERWOMAN*
                                                                  1
IS                                                                2
ISOBEL
  OPENING HER HEART TO KIRSTY WARK


I CAN BUT DREAM



   ANOTHER DREAM OF MINE

IS

A
            JILTED JOHN TRIBUTE LP


  I'M SURE
    B&S COULD DO A GOOD COVER OF

                          *TRUE LOVE*

  BAXENDALE COULD COVER

                       *BAZ'S PARTY*

RED HOUSE PAINTER MMM WELL THEY CAN COVER ANYTHING

                  YER THEY COULD DO
*BIRTHDAY KISS*



        MMMM

I WOULD LOVE MOZ TO COVER
                          *FANCY MICE*


  BUT

THAT

IS PURE FANTASY

                       LIKE WOLVERHAMPTON BECOMING A CITY



MMMMMMMMMMM

SKITTLES ALL ROUND








(my name is not important)



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From hodottir at xxx.com  Thu Feb 15 14:59:18 2001
From: hodottir at xxx.com (The Hodottir)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:59:18 -0000
Subject: Sinister: she will have a gig tonight
Message-ID: <F2145q8awYFDIfWb4Sa0000a430@hotmail.com>

Okay, not tonight, but on the 2nd of March, Miss Monica Queen (along with
Beth Orton and others) will be playing at Union Chapel, Compton Terrace, N1
London.

I'll be on the first bus into town...

X

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From p.carter at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 15 15:28:17 2001
From: p.carter at xxx.uk (Peter Carter)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:28:17 -0000
Subject: Sinister: In a beach tree rudely carved, NC loved me.
References: <20010214130457.29902.qmail@web10512.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00a801c09763$eb87b5b0$32c913ac@bathspa.ac.uk>

Well, for some reason everyone always breaks up with me just before VD
(apart from last year, but that girl is a horrible, foul thing that lurks
under rocks, as I later discovered), and it happened again a couple of weeks
ago after 7 months. So, I went out last night, expecting to either find some
girl at random, get drunk, or be depressed, most likely some combination of
all three.

What I found, apon going to a club with 2 single friends (both female), and
one whos boyfriend is away, is that a reasonable time can be had without any
of these things, reasonable, not good, and I have no idea why it was
reasonable, because on paper it looks shitty. I spent most of the night
looking for vaguely indie/hippie looking girls, with a maximum of two
fitting the category, and then only in the broadest possible sense... I hate
the clubs in bath, I see loads of attractive indie/hippie girls in the
street, but then I go into a club and there don't appear to be any... mind
you, seeing as I usually stay in the union bar myself... Anyway, I'm not
being shallow, I wouldn't only go out with indie/hippie girls, but they are
nicer to look at and tend to have more interest in me (fitting, as I do,
somewhere in the vague range between indie, hippie and habitual sex
offender). What I did get is some drunken irish guys having an un-invited
conversation, about nuclear power of all things, for about an hours, while
constantly sitting too close.

It didn't really help that two out of the three girls I was with proclaimed
that they could never go out with a guy with long hair, which I have (not
that I have any interest in them at all, it was just a little annoying).

Oh, and to top it all, I usually live near enough to Manchester that I could
go down there to see the Electric Honey thing, but now I'm at uni in bath,
damn, damn, damn. [note belle and sebastian content :)]

Anyway, back to valantines day... in poetry class, for the creative writing
half of my degree, we were asked to write a love poem, I came up with
this...


Visiting Rachael in Leicester


The evening was used up
crying, for your attention,
you were distracted by a friend, more dramatic
than even me, allowed me an appendage
to squeeze at, to press your fingers together like a raft.
Leaving with me, to comfort, I thought
you were kindness, in a dull room
your mouth took me away.

The morning began like a cliff,
leaning forward, waiting to feel something solid,
falling. Not noticing
at first I pulled at a loose woollen thread,
held on like a life rope, hoping
I could turn your head to me.
Your friends were mocking
the dark red marks above a shirt I had found
too small. Only once could I touch you,
then only briefly, as the taxi arrived
to take me away.

The train was death, simple
as a passage to God. Blurred like ghosts,
street lights, house lights stumbled past
and a knoll trembled though the black
plastic in my ear. Home was not
where I wanted it to be.


not that I'm bitter or anything... ho hum. (that isn't about the recent one,
that's about my first love)

I've been listening to Dog on Wheels E.P. a lot recently, for some reason,
that and Elephant Shoe by Arab Strap. All good. Elephant Shoe is depressing.
Why do I never meet any B&S fans?

"...and of course everyone felt appropriately shocked and saddened by the
women's affliction..."

The Happy Reaper

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From sad_fluffy_ghd at xxx.com  Thu Feb 15 15:39:54 2001
From: sad_fluffy_ghd at xxx.com (GEORGE HENRY DICKIE)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:39:54 -0000
Subject: Sinister: FUMBLING COCK DOCTOR
Message-ID: <F51z5UgLpzLXCCBNhQL0001421b@hotmail.com>

HIGH HEELS
TOUCHING DARK GRIMEY STREETS
SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN                                      B
                                                                 L
                                                                 A      BUT
I WON'T BE                                                    C    THERE
                                                       K

MM                                                                2
                                                                 6
     ONCE UPON A SATURDAY

          THERE WAS THIS FULL MOON THING

MMM IT WAS SO BRIGHT
I COULD NOT SLEEP


               OBVIOUSLY MY MIND TURNED TO TEENWOLF
AND THE FINAL SONG

*SHOOTING FOR THE MOON*

              MMM IT MAKES ME CRY


MMM
I PUT A STOP TO IT


       BECAUSE BOYS DON'T CRY


MM
          I GOT OUT OF BED



AND
  PRACTICED DANCE ROUTINES FOR A FEW DEVO SONGS


         MMM
I WANT TO BE A ROBOTS IN DISGUISE GROUPIE


                     MMM ANYWAY THE MOON
          WENT AWAY
AND I COULD SLEEP

BUT

MMM I WAS TOOOO AWAKE BY THIS TIME

          MMM
  IT SEEMED THE WORLD WAS ASLEEP AND

I COULD DO WHATEVER I WANTED

  I HAD A PLAN TO RAID NIGELLA LAWSON'S FRIDGE

                            (NEW NIGELLA SERIES IS HAPPENING I HEAR)


             BUT I CHICKENED OUT

AND JUST PLAYED SOME SONGS


                         SONGS R MORE MAGICAL AT NIGHT

          I PRETENDED I WAS A DJ OR SOMETHING

THE GRAVEYARD SHIFT
          YER

MMM

   I OPENED UP A BIG BAG OF
SKITTLES

                 MMM I FELT WILD
THE PARTY WAS IN FULL SWING
                   YER

    MMM WHIST PLAYING SONGS

             I CAME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT

   *FAMILY TREE* - B&S

IS A TRIBUTE TO

*(I'M) THE END OF THE FAMILY LINE* - MORRISSEY



                           MMM THIS MADE ME THINK THERE IS A CONNECTION
BETWEEN ISOBEL AND MOZ

             MMMM

                     I STARTED TO THINK
THAT
           *PARTNER IN CRIME* GENTLE WAVES
  WAS ABOUT
A SEXUAL AFFAIR
ISOBEL HAD WITH MOZ

                           YER THE SKITTLES BY NOW
HAD TAKEN EFFECT


  MMM
I PLAYED THE SONG


AND

       STARTED TO LAUGH

        I THOUGHT I HEARD ISOBEL SWEAR

MMM I THOUGHT IT MAY JUST BE THE SKITTLES


SO I LISTENED AGAIN

BUT IT WAS STILL THERE




       I KNOW GENTLE WAVES ISN'T EVERYBODY'S FAV SUBJECT

BUT

U KNOW

THE LINE IN *PARTNER IN CRIME*     NEAR THE START

*SHE HAD A FRIEND WHO SWORE YOU COULD EVOKE THE ANGELS SIMPLY BY PRAYER*


                       WELL

             THAT NIGHT IT SOUNDED LIKE

*SHE HAD A FRIEND WHO SWORE YOU COULD F**K THE ANGELS SIMPLY BY PRAYER*


         MMM
     I THOUGHT THAT WOULD MAKE A GREAT
GENTLE WAVES T-SHIRT

   IS KATRINA LISTENING?



                MMM MAYBE IT WAS JUST THE SKITTLES
      PLAYING WITH MY MIND


BUT


TO THIS DAY



                       SHE STILL SAYS F**K
MMM SORRY
HONEY
  ISOBEL TOLD ME TO


MMMM

YER THERE IS MORE TO ISOBEL
THAN JUST
  A KITTEN PLAYING WITH A BALL OF STRING




             I LIKED HER
     TOTP SUCXCESS STICKER STATEMENT THING

                                                                 R
                                                                 E
                                                                 D
MAYBE *SISTERWOMAN*
                                                                 1
IS                                                                2
ISOBEL
OPENING HER HEART TO KIRSTY WARK


I CAN BUT DREAM



  ANOTHER DREAM OF MINE

IS

A
           JILTED JOHN TRIBUTE LP


I'M SURE
   B&S COULD DO A GOOD COVER OF

                         *TRUE LOVE*

BAXENDALE COULD COVER

                      *BAZ'S PARTY*

RED HOUSE PAINTER MMM WELL THEY CAN COVER ANYTHING

                 YER THEY COULD DO
*BIRTHDAY KISS*



       MMMM

I WOULD LOVE MOZ TO COVER
                         *FANCY MICE*


BUT

THAT

IS PURE FANTASY

                      LIKE WOLVERHAMPTON BECOMING A CITY



MMMMMMMMMMM

SKITTLES ALL ROUND








(my name is not important)



http://www.skittles.com/index1.html




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From shewitt at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 15 16:53:18 2001
From: shewitt at xxx.uk (Stephen Hewitt)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:53:18 +0000
Subject: Sinister: 10 Millerington Place
Message-ID: <3A8C097E.2D5D48B9@ruskin.ac.uk>

So there i was half watching sex and the
city (ie watching the sex bits, ignoring
the whiny carrie in her y-fronts bits)
and the hotel where carrie was having
her illicit affair with mr big was THE
SLIGHTY DODGY HOTEL WE STAYED IN WHEN WE
WERE IN NEW YORK!!!  who'da thunk it,
first ally mctwiglet talking about me,
now this, i'll be making a guest
appearance as ugly naked guy in friends
next...

James talked about his sini-drinking
game and i made a guest appearance in
that too, yay, i'm a cliche ;)  there is
actually a drinking game for watching
unsigned bands on my site at:

no, only kidding (well it is there, but
how much shameless promotion can one
small boy do)

Peacock David has now confirmed his date
at borders in oxford, unfortunately
there was some confusion as to when it
was, due to mrs carsmile not caring
about it.  We think it may well be
easter tuesday, but i shall investigate
further (and i'm going to get him to
sign a copy for ms wesley "love and
pearl necklaces")

Cassarooto said:

Finally, could all locals keep the
evening of
Thursday April 5th free. Ta...

but as this is the day before atp anyone
else who's going to be in the vicinity
of that london would do well to keep it
free too.  Rumours of the foxgloves
playing wembley arena supported by cliff
richard and lionel ritchie on that
evening have yet to be made up.

HELLO GHD, MMM, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU
BACK

xoxo
CarsmileSteve
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From Stuart.Gardiner at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 15 16:56:55 2001
From: Stuart.Gardiner at xxx.uk (Gardiner, Stuart)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:56:55 -0000
Subject: Sinister: There's no aphrodisiac like loneliness
Message-ID: <03754DDCC645D311AA6700805F854E4302775478@lotus.ntu.ac.uk>

Of course, in a few weeks' time I'll stop banging on about how great The
Whitlams are, because the David Bridie album is finally being released in
Britain and you're all going to go out and buy it. Aussie music roolz...


I saw some horses in the park yesterday, with unusually short people riding
them.


Genevieve opined:

> How cruel is BigStu? The devil- my first list crush and he dumps me on 
Valentine's Day. Perhaps not as bad as my friend's crush who said he would 
not buy her chocolates as they are fattening.


It's tragic really. You see, it all used to be so beautiful. It was all
Canadian forests and heaving bosoms. But then you found another man. And
since then, it's been Stuart David this, Stuart David that. There were three
people in this marriage. You will always have a little piece of my heart,
but now it's time for me to look elsewhere. I can't go on living a lie. Can
we still be friends?


wheelbarrow on the pavement


I'VE GOT
		AN IDEA

						WHY NOT WRITE
			MMM
		EVERYTHING IN CAPITAL LETTERS
	FOR NO APPARENT REASON?


Next time I post, I might even have something to say...
Big Stu

"eating Laura Llew's knees since 1977"
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From JENOWL22 at xxx.com  Thu Feb 15 19:49:49 2001
From: JENOWL22 at xxx.com (JENOWL22 at xxx.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:49:49 EST
Subject: Sinister: Cause I'm a stormtrooper
Message-ID: <56.74669a8.27bd8cdd@aol.com>

Hewwo,

I want a tee shirt with the F-word on it. Is that so bad?

I broke up with Gav the boy. My main reason is that I'm going through a girls 
- only phase. My friend said that's what it was and it sums it up perfectly. 
So now cause I don't like boys just now, certain people who will remain 
nameless are encouraging me to wear lumberjack shirts and shave my head, and 
go about singing Constant Craving. Which I'm not going to do. 

Last Saturday i got very drunk indeed. I got off with a boy i dislike 
intensely, and gav saw and started crying a lot on the stairs, and I was 
trying to make it ok, but those last five cocktails which I don't know what 
was in sort of made my tact a bit less than on form, and he got kicked in the 
head by someone on his way up the stairs, and then I was very very sick all 
over the kitchen floor and I walked in on two boys kissing and threw up on 
one of their shoes. And then Gav wouldn't let anyone near me for the rest of 
the night, and looked after me but just made it worse, and someone opened a 
cupboard door on my head just when I was feeling better and I was semi 
conscious and being sick from pain this time, and I was sick on gav's Led 
Zepplin hoodie (which was ok cause i hate them) and i now have lots of 
bruises and I can't remember where I got them. Ok, I'm done.

I just failed my biology prelim. Well, I think I have anyway.

Valentines Day was grate fun. I got a card from my best friend which said I 
was a faggot and I should be burnt, and I send her one which said "To my 
Boyfriend...by my valentine" but I scrubbed out valentine and wrote binman. 
and I made her a poem about her having pubic lice.

I have this really fatal flaw, where I keep doing other people's projects and 
homework. It's not even funny.

I love listening to B&S on the bus. It's so calming. 

I must go now.

Hugs,
Jen

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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 15 20:44:41 2001
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:44:41 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: the bard that dared to rhyme card with hard
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0102152022370.9446-100000@granby.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>



Ummm.Magistris PF epistola tardus adveniit...Billy Bragg's lyrics hit us
hard in the back at the end of the special St Valentine's quiz. That is,
had I read 'that'message and no secrets about the pop personality who
could thank you for the card at the same time that criminalising you with
no regrets.


Tom Waits was sandwiched between BB and VU, at which entry I failed
miserably. We confused The Carpenters and Elton John, ignored
olympically The Osmonds and could not recognize a familiar portrait of
Embrace, but you know, we are 'indie kids',after all. Or I was in my days
of My Bloody Valentine featuring the cover of my school A4 files, that is
why I got right that one, three or four years contemplating during
Algebra and Latin lessons how miserable they striked a pose
 in their anoraks and their shaggy haircuts.
Against my trademark shoegazing, it must be said I remembered Jennifer
Rush's total hit with 'The Power of love',lyrics included, and had some
intuition on T'Pau that proved right.Carol Decker, was her name,wasn't
it? I never listened to any of their songs, just overheard them, but that
kind of stuff leaks effectively into your brains with minimal exposure
time.She also had that sort of vaguely permed mane falling over her eyes
constantly.How incomfortable.Was it always windy in the late 80s? At
convent school we were obliged to do our hair in ponytails and buns, maybe
there was some meteorological reasons, seeing all the dishevelled youth
that was breathing out there.

 
We demanded more 90s questions next time, more Belle and Sebastian
questions if possible. What we did not tell the quiz master it was that we
failed to recognize Stuart Murdoch's picture in a similar event about 2
years ago, errrr.More PopStars questions is our current level, I am
afraid. Or if I carried my housemate, Meatloaf-special truffled with some
Foreign...on Saturdays mornings I would nearly cry for the comeback of Mad
Cath and her tendency to play herself the violin on top of Lloyd-Weber's
early works.


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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Thu Feb 15 21:51:12 2001
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:51:12 -0000
Subject: Sinister: There's Lemon Ice In The Frost
Message-ID: <000001c09799$6eb1a420$7aed7ad5@default>

Hi All,

In Another Place Jordi, who's been chatting to Neil, says Belle and
Sebastian are currently recording in the US. Presumably for the soundtrack
(?)


Congratulation to all the Sillustrators - I envy people with so much talent.
I especially liked the one of Honey scaring a certain someone away with his
double heh sized hard-on disguised as a tail.


How is the Rectorial campaign going, & when will the results be announced?
Honey, which URL do we have to keep hitting to ensure a victory? :)


A few mentions recently of Twin Peaks, which I loved. For added weirdness I
recommend watching the antics of Leland/Bob with your 11 or 12 year old
daughter.
Then find the copy of Laura Palmer's Secret Diary she's reading, have a flip
through to see what its about and then figure out what to do next.


Also people have been fantasising about snoggong Mark Casarotto, who I seem
to remember kissing last Saturday. Biondino, what precisely are we keeping
that date in our diaries free for?


Joe, please come back to earth. Your last post was so far over my head all I
could see was its contrail.


That last Arab Strap single is growing on me: my earlier judgement was too
hasty. Bullseye is funny. The best thing I have heard of theirs recently
however is that amazingly powerful cover of Darlene Love's Christmas (Baby
Please Don't Go) that was repeated on the Evening Session. I was moved.


Love,

David Moore
Chelmsford, UK

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From megatherion5 at xxx.com  Thu Feb 15 22:18:10 2001
From: megatherion5 at xxx.com (Jason McKinnon)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:18:10 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Cause I'm a stormtrooper
Message-ID: <F41iLuwfcN5NTNlFjQA0000fec0@hotmail.com>




JenOwl Wrote:

I broke up with Gav the boy. My main reason is that I'm going through a 
girls
- only phase. My friend said that's what it was and it sums it up perfectly.
So now cause I don't like boys just now, certain people who will remain
nameless are encouraging me to wear lumberjack shirts and shave my head, and
go about singing Constant Craving. Which I'm not going to do.

Prickle Pince replies and doesn't mean to pick on JenOwl but:

Phases. I really don't like when this term or this kind of mentality is used 
to describe sexuality. I happen (this is just me!) to think the best way to 
look at sexuality and relationships is a case-by-case basis. If you like 
someone, go out with them and do things people who like each other do. If 
you dont, then don't. Any other way of dealing with this ambisexual behavior 
is childish and basically ridiculous. A girl phase....indeed! You might as 
well say you are going through an Asian phase or an amputee phase.

That being said, I do think it's kewl that you aren't turning into a KD Lang 
clone. So, it's obvious that you don't want conventional notions of 
sexuality to mold you.
Then why persist in calling not liking a "girl phase" thing. Maybe you just 
don't like him anymore.

CAVEAT:

I'm just taking issue with the mentality of sexual phases not with JenOwl 
personally.

ambidextrously yours,

PP



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From pinefox1 at xxx.com  Thu Feb 15 22:25:08 2001
From: pinefox1 at xxx.com (P F)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:25:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: We don't need no piece of paper from the City Hall
Message-ID: <20010215222508.26518.qmail@web5303.mail.yahoo.com>


Golly, but Joni Mitchell can make me sad. So much,
perhaps, is impacted in those grooves.


THERE'S A LEMON IN THE THE LOCKER

Mooro talked about being moved. And his last title, I
mean, 'subject heading', came close to moving *me*.


BURNING THE LETTERS

Some character talked about Sylvia Plath, and I knew
what he meant, pretty much, though Alan Bennett didn't
care for her, you know - no, not even for the diaries,
*especially* not for the diaries. He told us so in the
LRB. In *his* diary. How will, no, how do, AB's
diaries measure up to SP's? They measure pretty OK,
but he shouldn't overrate himself. I don't like his
clipped and abbreviated style, for one thing. Write
'prose', man. The cover price is �2.75.


ORTONARY WORLD

I wondered for a while whether the character who
talked about footy and the like (sorry, I forget his
name; he was eloquent enough) was yet another of
Welthorpe's guises. But would Welthorpe return under a
guise? No, no, she'd come as herself. I hear tell that
Kevan Cooke has not been wearing guises either. Cross
him off the list.


CARAMEL IN THE

Llaura Llew returned, more than once. She talked about
being inside eating (or was it drinking?) chocolate
while it snowed outside. The stray conjunction made me
think, Llaura, in your cardigan and with your
'roacking horse' and Irn-Bru, you ought to hear that
song "Chocolate Snow".

You have?

Oh.


BELCHERTOWN LIBRARY

LlLl talked also of children's fiction in the USA. I
remember that. It smelled nice. Even at the time, I
thought it smelled nice. Heaven dares think what I'd
dare think now.


IT'S DANGEROUS TO HAVE GENE HACKMAN DREAMS

I read a story tonight, while a bunch of Scousers were
scoring impressive goals: it was "Train" by Joy
Williams (1972). It features these lines:

"
Outside, the sky was lightening. Daylight was just
beginning to flourish on the city of Jacksonville. It
fell without prejudice on the slaughterhouses, Dairy
Queens and courthouses, on the car lots, sabal palms
and a billboard advertisement for pies.
"

I thought that was pretty good first time round, maybe
cos it looks like a Lloyd Cole prototype. Typing it
out, mind you, a catch a a surprisingly strong scent
of 'The Dead'.

Is it true, I wonder, that the train is the best way
to travel the US, for the skies belong to the rich and
the Greyhounds to the poor, but the rails to the broad
bands and waves of eccentrics, ironies and
contingencies?

Maybe it's for answers to questions of that ilk that
we must go to The American Short Story, or The English
Pub.


BEYOND METACULTURE

Thanks to those who responded re. Trilling. My
questions, by the way, were not meant to be marked
'urgent'. I don't think that either 'the self' or
'culture' are in the casualty ward, any more than they
were yesterday or will be tomorrow. I was merely
giving inadequate voice, out of interest, to a dead
man's thinking on these matters. He died of cancer, by
the way, and smoked ceaselessly. Dan Wakefield, his
former student, tells us in NEW YORK IN THE 50S
(Houghton Mifflin Company, 1992) that he waved those
ceaseless cigarettes like wands; and that the circles
under Trilling's eyes were the deepest and blackest
he'd ever seen, as though the indices of intellectual
brawls in the back-alleys of the ideal.



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From jonathan.skinner at xxx.net  Thu Feb 15 22:54:21 2001
From: jonathan.skinner at xxx.net (jonathan skinner)
Date: 15 Feb 2001 22:54:21 +0000
Subject: Sinister: financial panther ey? get him sheba
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From: areservoirdog at xxx.com (M. Timothy Meskers)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:21:19 -0500
Subject: Sinister: The drought is crippled by the rain.
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July 2000, Select, pg 24

Stuart Braithwaite (of Mogwai) speaks of NWA. Bear with it, it's a bit of a 
lengthy/vulgar quote.

"The imminent NWA reunion is well worth looking out for. As in most 
reunions, the sheer front of reconciliation is often the highlight for the 
impartial observer. Watching Glen Matlock play 'Anarchy in the UK' alongside 
Rotten, Cook, and Jones, while knowing they took turns wanking into his 
baguette was hilarious enough, but Ice Cube sharing a stage with a band who 
augmented their second cd with a threat to, "cut off his hair and f--k him 
with a broomstick" takes forgiveness to a new plateau. Their new track, 
'Chin Check' on the Next Friday original soundtrack was tremendous. Barring 
Belle & Sebastian, they're the world's most dangerous band."

----

Just a brief quote from an old Select that most of you have probably heard, 
but really tickled my fancy. All the talk of them in the studio has gotten 
my very excited as has some mention of Weezer among the Sinisterines. 
Sixteen long days from now til the show that I miraculously got tickets to. 
I hear the GetUp Kids and Ozma are opening up for them, has anyone heard 
them, and if so, are they any good? I'm dying to hear some of Weezer's new 
stuff, this year's Christmas EP has whetted my appetite for something fresh.

Happy belated Valentine's, by the way. Did any of you do anything exciting? 
I went to a local thrift shop with my friend Nate and bought an old mod wig. 
It may have been meant for women, but I wore it anyways. I wore that around 
for awhile and pretended to be a character named Rick. He also bought a wig 
and pretended to be a character named Dutch. We went to a coffeeshop and 
drank non-alcoholic wine that the couples had been drinking. I ran into some 
friends who tried to talk to me as Timothy, but I politely informed them 
that my name was actually Rick and they I was frequently confused with the 
local celebrity of similar appearance. Then I took off my wig and told them 
I was only kidding. My mom told me not to buy any more wigs from thrift 
shops because I'll probably get lice or something. I guess that wasn't a 
terribly stimuating story but at the time I found it hilarious, wearing a 
wig and all. Thanks to everyone who sent out VD related posts, the story 
about kidnapping Cupid was particularly droll and the story about roughing 
up that old man had my chuckling as well. Really made an otherwise bleak 
(save for the wig adventure) day bearable.

Hope you're all well and had nice Valentine's Days with lots of humorous and 
rewarding endeavors.


Sincerely,
Timothy

xoxo


p.s. The new issue of Revolver's got a swell article on The (International) 
Noise Conspiracy early on and another on Weezer a bit closer to the middle. 
There's also a great article on The Pixies, which, as I recall from my 
nursery, there may have been one or two fans on the list? Despiete the 
initial embarassment that stems from purchasing a magazine with the singer 
of Korn on the front, it really turned out fine, I recommend it...
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From comixnerd at xxx.com  Thu Feb 15 23:25:59 2001
From: comixnerd at xxx.com (evan beusoleil)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:25:59 -0700
Subject: Sinister: perfect coffee
Message-ID: <F168456UnHAaaz7EjQx0000b7df@hotmail.com>

i am writing this so that all may enjoy what i am enjoying at this moment, a 
most perfect cup of coffee from my own home.  for years i would never make 
coffee for myself, for fear it would taste like poo, and would only drink 
coffee at work, which has always been either restaurants or megalithic 
bookstores with overpriced cafes.  now, thanks to my sweetie and his gifts 
of valentines, as well as some advice from my friend the coffee guru, i have 
learnt the secret alchemy of coffee from home.
first start with whole bean coffee.  it doesn't have to be organic, but it 
wouldn't hurt.
measure out about a half cup of beans (these instructions are for making 
four cups, so if you want more, just do the math) and grind for about 20 
seconds if your using a coffee maker. ten for a percolator.  i don't know 
what to do with a french press.
next put the grinds in the coffee maker immediately and make it.  what you 
don't drink right away, store in a hi-vacuum thermos or air pot.  if you 
leave it out it'll go nasty.
always store beans in an air tight container and never freeze your beans. 
also, don't grind a bunch in advance, only grind what you want to use right 
away.
and that's it!
as for content, well, a lot of you are students, and students drink coffee 
because they stay up all night studying.  especially students in glasgow.
speaking of glasgow, why is it so cool?  all the best bands are there, and 
even some of the best comic book writers/artists are from there. it's not 
even such a big town.  even groundskeeper willie and shari bobbins are from 
glasgow!  but i digress. happy late valentine's day to all and to all a good 
day.
-evan
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From colinboy21 at xxx.com  Fri Feb 16 00:08:10 2001
From: colinboy21 at xxx.com (colin thornton)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:08:10 
Subject: Sinister: On Loving the Isobel Girl
Message-ID: <F17Tjr8cU6xfPTeip680001863b@hotmail.com>

I have (in the last few years) slowly developed an infatuation with
an old friend-girl, who in her own way is the perfect match of Isobel 
Campbell (or at least the Isobel that I have in my head). Her name is Agnes, 
and I haven't seen her in three years. I had the biggest crush on her while 
she was here, but I had a five year girlfriend at the time.  Agnes moved to 
Utah and I occasionally forgot about her.

My girlfriend and I are recently split, which is a shame because she had
become the quintessence of twee during the time that I was dating her.  So, 
my thoughts have turned to Agnes...and they stay there.  And
while Agnes and I are in contact, e-mailing poems and sweet messages,
I'm uncertain what I should do, being that I live in Kentucky and she lives 
in Utah.  I graduate this semester, and I'm falling in love with her at a 
rapid speed, as if I were making up for lost time.  She seems to be 
appreciative and interested in my love (but is smarter than me and more 
realistic about flights of long-distance romantic fancy). I don't really 
know what to do.  I thought that it might be therapy to write the list.  I 
have a Lazy Line Painter Jane complex to boot because I'm attracted to girls 
that make wierd little scrapbooks like the one in the video. The only 
problem is that these girls don't exist here (or they are hiding). But Agnes 
is Lazy Line Painter Jane to me.  Identity crisis: when a song is manifested 
onto an adored friend.  Oh well...

It is rather hard to find an indie girl in a non-indie world.  I
think everyone on the list can relate because we all seem to be born too 
late (or too soon, I can't decide).  People are too-cool-for-the-school now 
and whether we're talking about townies or frat boys, nobody cares to 
understand the indie lifestyle, the sad and lonely world of being a Belle 
and Sebastian fan.  As much as this list brings me happiness by uniting the 
scattered sensitive childlike creatures of the world, it also makes me sad 
that you all aren't here to hang out with me and get to know me.  Maybe I'll 
meet more interesting people when I move to Chicago (to study at Second 
City) or to Salt Lake City, Utah (out of love and no other reason) but I'm 
close to miserable right now...and that pretty much sucks.

Love,
Colin
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From comixnerd at xxx.com  Fri Feb 16 00:18:24 2001
From: comixnerd at xxx.com (evan beusoleil)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:18:24 -0700
Subject: Sinister: childrens books
Message-ID: <F174BBCHqp4Kjjk4Ftn0000b8e8@hotmail.com>

i know it's probably not so cool to write another post so soon, but the 
subject is kids books, so i can't resist!
i work at borders, so i spend all day looking at books instead of 
supervizing, which is what i'm supposed to do, and i love kids books.  
particularly the "picture books" section.  if anyone hasn't looked at them 
yet, check out the work of eric carle, it's beautiful.  also, for a very 
entertaining, well drawn book, check out - ooooh, i can never spell his name 
- szieska?  he illustrated "the true story of the 3 little pigs" and "the 
stinky cheese man" among others, so just go to the "s's" and look for those 
books. they are fantastic!  and if you can find it, Jill Thompson's Scary 
Godmother, the original hardcover (it's a comic now) is adorable and the 
best halloween book.
and then there's roald dahl, the genius...
my father got married a second time, and he and his french wife had a little 
girl, colette, five years ago.  i thought it would be a real drag, but now 
that i know her, she's the best! and i shower books on her every chance i 
get! in french and english, cause she's so clever she can read em both! 
cause god knows i'll never have one of my own...
okay, that's it, really it is...
-evan
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From kmhyde at xxx.edu  Fri Feb 16 00:31:31 2001
From: kmhyde at xxx.edu (Kevin Hyde)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:31:31 -0500
Subject: Sinister: where the selfishly sick and self-absorbed are welcome
Message-ID: <NEBBLKLOALLAEOEBIJONEEBDCAAA.kmhyde@wm.edu>

Hello,


I haven't written to the list since September I think. Anyway- the Kentucky
guy's post caught my eye, so I thought I would write a little bit about
that...

umm. yeah. I agree. there are people around where I go to school who call
themselves indie, but they're really just punk kids who pretend. I think
Belle and Sebastian fans (the ones who REALLY like them- you know who you
are) are a sub-species of indie kids. definitely. I mean, claiming you're
twee and all is fine, but there's more to it than just liking Magnetic
Fields and reading Anais Nin, or what have you. (and I'm not trying to bash
anyone here- just pointing out how people are in my area...maybe not so
wherever you're from)


rightio. back to Harry Potter. I think these books should be classified as
quasi-narcotics....I'm well addicted to them. and the thought that there
won't be another book until December makes me weep at night.




no, really.




Kevin

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From cramp at xxx.org  Fri Feb 16 03:57:30 2001
From: cramp at xxx.org (rob)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:57:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: So we paid the leccy bill, we got the shopping (and we still had
 some)
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so here i am, roused from the nursery, a little dazed. blink.

i had a bad habit, and it involved leaving my new-ish guitar in the corner
for weeks at a time. but i snapped it (the habit, thankfully), and
have since acquainted myself enough with the open chords to squawk out
TIJAMRS. all this leaves the tips of my fingers feeling like i laid them
out in front of a freight train.

but rehabilitation was not far off, in the form of the enormous thrift
store known as The Bins. here the clothes are not on racks, but in
deep bins, and fingers are free to roam in search of dirty
treasures. shopping's better when you have to wash your hands
afterwards. The Bins work like this: employees wheel clothes out, people
sift through them for a few hours, then the clothes are whisked to the
back where they are compacted into cubes--six feet by six feet by six
feet.

rumor is that the clothes are shipped off to Africa, but it's a bit of a
ways from Portland to there. most of the garments merit immediate
incineration. but from amongst those i dug:

a spiffy child's tamborine that has feet on it
a pair of New Balances
a brown and orange beanie
a hat that might make me upstanding: labeled "Country Gentleman - Imported
British Fabrics"
a leather paper-case (this the man at the cash register checked to make
sure i was not concealing anything within)
the cover to the Human League's "Human" 7-inch.
7 mismatched Argyle socks ("you don't see those much these 
days" --employee)
1 striped sock
1 cowboy shirt
1 pair, black wrangler jeans

all this i had quite a time stuffing into my bag. outside it was rainy,
but i got the full fender setup on my bike a few weeks ago, so i put on my
red blinkie light and headed home. along the way, i passed over a bridge,
and a hulking freight train was passing underneath, so i rode down and
watched it trail off. i like to watch the graffiti.

Back on the road, some thug in a sedan nearly hit me, and i tried my
damnedest to chase him down, to pound on the trunk, but the louse ran the
stop sign and sped off.

sighs and soap,

 rob

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From blueorchid99999 at xxx.com  Fri Feb 16 05:42:37 2001
From: blueorchid99999 at xxx.com (Jennifer Gray)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:42:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: if a rose looked like a chihuahua, would it smell as sweet?
In-Reply-To: <200102151533.PAA12085@missprint.org>
Message-ID: <20010216054237.12810.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi hi.  Since everyone on the list is already named
Jenny (with the exception of everyone who isn't), I
shall henceforth be known as Janitoria.  I have
recently taken up the mop and broom again, listening
to B+S on my walkman (< B+S content) and cursing under
my breath.  My legs are so sore that I've been taking
tiny shuffling steps.  But I couldn't swing the
plastic bottle packing gig anymore and managed to get
myself fired (for the first time in my life!  My
pristine record has been blemished!.  Immediately, the
guy who was my boss except for the last month I was
there started coming on to me (we are both married). 
He asked me to meet him at the carwash at 8 in the
morning for a little bit of wink, wink,nudge, nudge. 
But I didn't do it.  If I had an affair, I'd want it
to be in classy surroundings so I could pretend to be
a literary tragedy.  No one writes songs or books
about people who have hurried sex at carwashes. 
(<someone else really said that part--I figured it was
okay if I stole it since it was said about me).  
    My comment on Valentine's Day is a bit belated,
but here it is:  I can't believe that more people
don't heed the warning hidden in the initials V.D. 
That's all.       -Janitoria-

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From lutin at xxx.net  Fri Feb 16 07:19:44 2001
From: lutin at xxx.net (Lutin)
Date: 15 Feb 2001 23:19:44 -0800
Subject: Sinister: So we paid the leccy bill, we got the shopping (and we still had some)
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0102151919100.26073-100000@blastfurnace.suppression.org>
Message-ID: <000b01c097e8$d6b707a0$1cf182d0@rachel22>

Hey, Rob !  Your post reads like a funxpedition to the Goodwill As-Is store
on Gov. MacLaughlin's Highway, Portland, Oregon.
Last night I saw an excellent french movie, "Pola X," at the Hollywood
Theatre.
Best movie I've seen for quite awhile.
Good to know there's more B&S appreciation around Bridgetown ... and from
another thrifter thrifting d'occassion !  Thrifting satisfies my archetypal
lust
for La Chasse.


       Lutin

"Les denonciateurs denoncent.
 Les cambrioleurs cambriolent.
Les assasins assassinent.
Les amoureux s'aiment."
Belle & Sebastian - A Bout de Souffle



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Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:57 PM
Subject: Sinister: So we paid the leccy bill, we got the shopping (and we
still had some)


>
> so here i am, roused from the nursery, a little dazed. blink.
>
> i had a bad habit, and it involved leaving my new-ish guitar in the corner
> for weeks at a time. but i snapped it (the habit, thankfully), and
> have since acquainted myself enough with the open chords to squawk out
> TIJAMRS. all this leaves the tips of my fingers feeling like i laid them
> out in front of a freight train.
>
> but rehabilitation was not far off, in the form of the enormous thrift
> store known as The Bins. here the clothes are not on racks, but in
> deep bins, and fingers are free to roam in search of dirty
> treasures. shopping's better when you have to wash your hands
> afterwards. The Bins work like this: employees wheel clothes out, people
> sift through them for a few hours, then the clothes are whisked to the
> back where they are compacted into cubes--six feet by six feet by six
> feet.
>
> rumor is that the clothes are shipped off to Africa, but it's a bit of a
> ways from Portland to there. most of the garments merit immediate
> incineration. but from amongst those i dug:
>
> a spiffy child's tamborine that has feet on it
> a pair of New Balances
> a brown and orange beanie
> a hat that might make me upstanding: labeled "Country Gentleman - Imported
> British Fabrics"
> a leather paper-case (this the man at the cash register checked to make
> sure i was not concealing anything within)
> the cover to the Human League's "Human" 7-inch.
> 7 mismatched Argyle socks ("you don't see those much these
> days" --employee)
> 1 striped sock
> 1 cowboy shirt
> 1 pair, black wrangler jeans
>
> all this i had quite a time stuffing into my bag. outside it was rainy,
> but i got the full fender setup on my bike a few weeks ago, so i put on my
> red blinkie light and headed home. along the way, i passed over a bridge,
> and a hulking freight train was passing underneath, so i rode down and
> watched it trail off. i like to watch the graffiti.
>
> Back on the road, some thug in a sedan nearly hit me, and i tried my
> damnedest to chase him down, to pound on the trunk, but the louse ran the
> stop sign and sped off.
>
> sighs and soap,
>
>  rob
>
>
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From marshalltindall at xxx.com  Fri Feb 16 08:38:06 2001
From: marshalltindall at xxx.com (Marshall Tindall)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:38:06 -0700
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <F188hLJlt3XLt9W8Oz10000ef0b@hotmail.com>



Here, I am in the community centre computer room, with a page left on an 
essay I don't want to write thats due tommorow and a headache from the cold 
I've had for too long.

I don't mean to sound whiny, thats just the way it is.  But at least my 
girlfriend thinks I'm rather grate.

Ahhh....strains of We Rule the School flit through my brain and I relax.


I have something special to share with all you sinisterines. Last May I quit 
the list and rejoined only last month, due to lack of a computer.  A lot 
happened in that time.

The most important of which was that I became a father to a beautiful baby 
boy, named Sebastien.  No, he wasn't named after the band, my girlfriend 
named him and she likes the band but not that much.

But...Sebastien was born on September 10, 2000, he was three months 
premature and stillborn...
which made us both very sad, we still are.
But he was still beautiful and we gave him a nice funeral, Cordelia (my 
girlfriend) picked two poems for him and I picked the music

...I picked the Adagio of Mahler's fifth and The Boy Done Wrong Again

It seemed fitting as Sebastien's star put mine to shame.  None of you may 
understand but he was very special to me and sometimes though I don't know 
why I have a hard time admitting that I loved him.

Some of my friends were sympathetic, some weren't...

My mom was, kinda... she didn't come to the funeral, but she cried, the 
shame or something was to much for her I guess.

Anyway, this wasn't to try to make anybody feel bad or sorry for me, I guess 
I just needed to get it out.  It sounds sappy but live life while you get 
it, cause some lives are so short and can be so beautiful.

Thanks to everybody who reads this
...Bye Sebastien, I love you.

Marshall


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From ceasetocare at xxx.com  Fri Feb 16 00:44:06 2001
From: ceasetocare at xxx.com (Megan Conniff)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:44:06 -0000
Subject: Sinister: b&s in the US
Message-ID: <LAW2-F253qnWwAeRaNg00005524@hotmail.com>

I've heard the same thing about b&amp;s being in the states! Okay, let
me tell my story.

My (boy)friend lives in Manchester and his flatmate Simon works at the same 
place that Chris Geddes brother works at (I THINK his name is Andy, not 
positive. I can ask if anyone really NEEDS to know for whatever reason). 
Chris was recently touring with Teenage Fanclub in Japan, as I'm sure many 
of you know. Chris was then supposed to go to Manchester and DJ at a club 
for/with his brother. BUT he had to cancel because when he got back from 
Japan he was informed by the other members of B&S that they were going to 
the States to work on the movie soundtrack.

Anyway, that's my little piece of gossip.

MUST go write my art history paper! It's been two weeks of procrastination 
for me, it's due tomorrow, it MUST be done.

Oh, since I mentioned that I had the studio version of Lonliness, I've had 
MASSIVE amounts of downloads. 200-300 a day! So thanks guys, you make me 
feel loved! I also have the B&amp;S version of Turn, Turn, Turn, which I 
find quite amusing! My dad was telling me the other day that when he was a 
teenager living in London in the '60's he met the Byrds coming out of a 
bookshop! It was before they were famous. Of course, he was telling me this 
delightful little anecdote in the same breath as telling me that shortly 
after I was born he met the guy from Twisted Sister in the Frankfurt 
military PX. Apparantly he was in full
Twisted Sister gear, complete with classic 80's hair band 'do & platforms!

Has anyone else noticed a enormous amount of Italian people on Napster? And 
they're so friendly! They always IM me and think I'm a boy. The only thing 
that really strikes me as odd is that they all seem to be 32 year old men 
that work for computer companies. ALL of them. I've spoken to at least 8. 
One offered to buy me a ticket to go see him Florence. I've got to learn to 
stop being so friendly to people I meet on Napster, you never know where it 
will get you!
(*wink wink* Mike!)

All right, that's it for Post #4 from me,
love, megan

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From david at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 16 13:48:59 2001
From: david at xxx.uk (David White)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:48:59 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Indie Schmindie
Message-ID: <MABBIEGAGBDOGHPKCDMHMEJGCBAA.david@belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk>

You know all this Indie stuff that has been mentioned recently really bugs
me. Why do people feel the need to pigeon hole themselves into categories
according to the music they like? It's mad really, you don't see old ladies
hanging around in groups because of the television programmes they watch,
you know the Eastenders posse at one side of the post office dissing the
Coronation Street massive on the other side on pension day, or certainly not
where I live anyway.

Kevin Hyde wrote:
"there are people around where I go to school who call themselves indie, but
they're really just punk kids who pretend. I think Belle and Sebastian fans
(the ones who REALLY like them- you know who you are) are a sub-species of
indie kids"

No offence mate, but I think that's a lot of shite. Firstly, who defines
that someone is "punk" and someone else is "indie" and why can you not be
both if you want? Some things in life are inevitable as a result of
genetics, taste in music is not, to the best of my knowledge, one of these.
Secondly, who decides what criteria are required to be a member of either
tribe? Is there a book out there instructing kids what clothes they must
wear according to the music they listen to? Thirdly, why do you care what
music other people listen to anyway? Listen to what you like, nobody can
stop you, but leave other people to listen to what they want and have the
opinions they want, it's none of your business.

As for B&S fans, what difference does it make whether you are a fan who
likes them a little bit or a fan who likes them a lot, surely you're still a
fan? This kind of music snobbery is disgusting. Surely if you find somebody
who likes the same kind of music you should be happy, not immediately want
to belittle them for not being a real fan or because they like other bands
as well that you might not. I am a fan of B&S, I wouldn't say I was their
greatest fan but I like them, just like I like a lot of other bands and
other kinds of music, probably bands which rule me out of your so-called
"sub-species".

There's a lot of good music out there, music which doesn't always fit with
what you might percieve as your taste but which nonetheless you might like
if you took the time to listen rather than let your narrowminded prejudices
prevent you from listening.

David White
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From kmhyde at xxx.edu  Fri Feb 16 14:58:18 2001
From: kmhyde at xxx.edu (Kevin Hyde)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:58:18 -0500
Subject: Sinister: right, write
Message-ID: <NEBBLKLOALLAEOEBIJONGEBECAAA.kmhyde@wm.edu>

Yeah, thought so.


I was trying, with little success it appears, to be somewhat sarcastic.


apparently though, this does not translate well into email.


David White wrote:

As for B&S fans, what difference does it make whether you are a fan who
likes them a little bit or a fan who likes them a lot, surely you're still a
fan? This kind of music snobbery is disgusting. Surely if you find somebody
who likes the same kind of music you should be happy, not immediately want
to belittle them for not being a real fan or because they like other bands
as well that you might not. I am a fan of B&S, I wouldn't say I was their
greatest fan but I like them, just like I like a lot of other bands and
other kinds of music, probably bands which rule me out of your so-called
"sub-species".



ummm. yeah. if you look at my message, the language I use is a little less
than serious. especially the "those who REALLY like Belle and Sebastian".
that is, as you so astutely and eloquently said, a load of shite.



well. i won't be sarcastic from now on. only earnest and logically
consistent posts from me.



apologies to those who were so deeply offended.


Kevin

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From snowyminor at xxx.com  Fri Feb 16 15:39:34 2001
From: snowyminor at xxx.com (Michelle R.)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:39:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: we rule the all-girls parochial school
Message-ID: <20010216153934.74951.qmail@web11703.mail.yahoo.com>

Oh soo tired...midterms week is over thankfully.
 This morning I opened a car door and almost knocked
over a passing bicyclist..did I spell that right..um.
Well so I almost kocked him over. I laughed a bit, not
at him, but at the fact of my own stupidity for not
looking out before I did open the door. So I laughed,
and he turned around and gave me the dirtiest look as
if saying "stupid bitch." THEN..I laughed at him. Why
did I share this story? I have no clue.
  Did I mention this is my second post? Well I agree
with Ozma about Catholic school girls. I used to go to
a catholic grade school, and an all-girls high school.
It's funny how I'd hear people saying that it was such
a great school, and be thankful that you go to this
school..etc etc. Meanwhile 15 year olds were talking
about how their freshmen friends were in rehab,
exploits in the bathroom between girls which can be
classified as soft porn, lunchtime conversations that
mothers would cry about, etc etc. I'll leave the rest
up to your imagination. Although in retorspect, it's
typical high school behavior, but people thought we
were a boring bunch.
 Ooo Oprah's on. I wonder how long B&S will be working
on this soundtrack. I seriously doubt they'll tour the
US(hopefully one day I'll say..."Oh well I was
wrong"). I think it would be nice to travel around in
a bus going to B&S shows all over the country..kinda
like the Dead heads used to do. *reconsiders* Well,
um, traveling around to see them would be nice.
Belleheads hmmm. 

Michelle
  

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From ppyrrjs at xxx.uk  Sat Feb 17 00:25:46 2001
From: ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:25:46 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Vote Murdoch Now!
Message-ID: <3A8CE409.15773.147DD832@localhost>


This morning I received an email entitled "Magnetic Fields" and 
thought, of course, that it was from the witty and glistening Sinister 
list and I loosened my trousers. Then I realised it was actually from 
someone in my department, talking about actual magnetic fields in 
actual magnets, and I felt stupid and realised I was meant to be 
working.

My clothes are just too noisy. Yesterday I was in the library, trying 
to be quiet as a hedgehog, but was wearing corduroy trousers and 
some incredibly squeaky shoes caused quite a commotion. The 
only other sounds apart from my fizzing trousers and squelching 
shoes were people turning pages and blinking. Oh the shame of it 
all! You know, if this town was invaded by Daleks, I'd have no 
chance.

!THERE HE IS!
!BEHIND THE DUSTBIN!
!I CAN HEAR HIS SQUEEAKY SHOOES!
!EXTERRMINATE!

I'd never make a spy, either.

Who was our cub reporter for the rectorial affair? I should imagine 
Glasgow is a crazy place to be at the moment, with Stuart visiting 
hat shops to see which hat makes him look most rectorial, and old 
women sneakily pasting up Vote Murdoch posters in church halls. 
Does anyone from Glasgow Uni know what's going on?

Robin x

PS: George Dickie, are you a Dalek?
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From lucyalder at xxx.com  Fri Feb 16 17:31:19 2001
From: lucyalder at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucy=20Alder?=)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:31:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister:  Go Baby!
Message-ID: <20010216173119.23747.qmail@web1606.mail.yahoo.com>

Q:  Which Oxford Sinisterine is best mates with Handy Andy?
A:  Carol Smillie Steve

Hello everyone!  Hello Valentine's miserablists!  Cheer up, you old
buggers, having no sweetheart is only just a little bit worse than living
hundreds of miles away from your sweetheart.  Didn't you know?  Miss
Honey's little side project is a great big international indie dating
agency.  Through the power of the modern interweb and with a little bit of
help from Miss Crush, plus the odd bottle of picnic plonk, she's fixed up
more than a couple of LDRs (that's Long Distance Relationships to you,
baby) and they all sat on their own on the 14th, thinking of people they
weren't going to be munching heart-shaped chocolates with.  Didn't you? 
Yes, I'm talking about *you*.  And *you*.

Don't you love typos?  Michelle wrote

> Well so I almost kocked him over.

I am easily amused.

Robin Stout asked if GEORGE HENRY DICKIE was a Dalek and I thought
OHMIGOD!  Because I always read GHD's posts in a Dalek voice (in my head,
not aloud, one has has to be careful of one's reputation at work) but now
I think about it, it's less of a metallic Dalek voice I hear and a bit
more of a breathy, whispery one.

Kinder Buenos are The Best Thing In The World.  Better than Jaffa Cakes,
better than Irn Bru.  Better than Belle & Seb... well no, maybe they're
not quite The Best Thing In The World, but they're darn good, I tell you. 
It's the melty hazelnut bit in the middle that makes my tummy go flippety
flop.

According to Kevin Hyde,

> Belle and Sebastian fans...are a sub-species of indie kids. 

But no!  You're wrong!  We're a super-species.  A super-duper-species. 
Yes indeed.

I'm off to the place where Apples grow in Stereo.  See ya.

Juicy Lucy


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From p.carter at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 16 18:13:22 2001
From: p.carter at xxx.uk (Peter Carter)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:13:22 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Electronic Honey 2
Message-ID: <010101c09844$25c48c90$aac813ac@bathspa.ac.uk>

Well, I'm at Uni in Bath at the moment, so I can't go to the Electronic
Honey thing, but I am told that there is another one is April sometime.
I was just wondering whether there is anyone on this list who lives
anywhere near Manchester and is willing to meet up...
 
"...and of course everyone felt appropriately shocked and saddened by the
women's affliction..."

The Happy Reaper


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From wilska at xxx.net  Fri Feb 16 19:31:16 2001
From: wilska at xxx.net (Emily Wilska)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:31:16 -0800
Subject: Sinister: you were right when you said 'all that glitters isn't gold'
Message-ID: <37C3476607141849A65191FB44C1D5730FE207@svc-msg-03.northamerica.corp.microsoft.com>

Allo.

So much lately has been making me grin, despite the fact that I had to
endure yet another V********'s Day without a proper V********.  You lot,
combined with the armloads of fabulous cd's I've been spending my money
on of late, just sort of make me want to go through my days humming.

Before I forget: I met my first real live Sinistereen (well, other than
myself) a few weeks back.  Indeed, none other than Jason the Pickle
Prince, who filled the Hush Hush here in San Francisco for his birthday
earlier this month.  I recognized him by his hat, and got to chat with
him and his girlfriend (also named Emily, which caused me no small
confusion) about topics I cannot recall.  Fun!  Then I sat back down,
drank more, and eventually left with a tall and lovely Canadian boy,
whom I had to stand on my toes to kiss.  So much excitement in one small
evening.

Laura Llew mentioned "Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs," which is
undeniably one of my favorite children's books.  For that mention,
Laura, I shall hereby fulfill your request for a mix tape.  Just send me
your address and 90 minutes of musical glory will make their way to your
door within the next week.

Anyway.  Ruvi said

I think the problem is that pretty girls do not make great thinkers.

and then went on to say a good deal more, much of which raised my
hackles.  Without wanting to start a huge debate here, I will just say
that filing girls away into either the 'pretty' or 'smart' categories is
a massive oversimplification at best.  And maybe you were sort of
kidding, Ruvi, in which case I'm fidgeting in my chair for no real
reason.  But if you really believe we're living in an 'obscene society
of fleeting images,' would it not make sense to perhaps avoid making
claims like those you made?

It just seems sort of disappointing to me that even in 2001, and even in
a community as ostensibly open and intelligent and feeling as Sinister,
one can claim that women are still either attractive or intelligent,
with no middle ground.  I, for one, think many of the females on this
list are proof positive that that sort of thinking just doesn't hold.

But off the soapbox.

You should all really go out NOW and beg, borrow, or buy (just don't
steal) as much Built to Spill as you can get your hands on.

Time for more coffee and a nice dose of cold meds.

-Emily
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From pinefox1 at xxx.com  Fri Feb 16 20:49:45 2001
From: pinefox1 at xxx.com (P F)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:49:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: From Time Down To Mind, That Time Was Bad
Message-ID: <20010216204945.11412.qmail@web5301.mail.yahoo.com>


SO LONG, LUCKY AVENUE

Today's has-been's old hat is Ricky Lee Jones. Plus,
Robert Johnson, and probably - well, how could it be
otherwise? -'Robert' "Forster".

OH! TO BE / LIKE EMILY!!

Emily of the List said:

>>>
It just seems sort of disappointing to me that even in
2001, and even in a community as ostensibly open and
intelligent and feeling as Sinister, one can claim
that women are still either attractive or intelligent,
with no middle ground.  I, for one, think many of the
females on this list are proof positive that that sort
of thinking just doesn't hold.

Oh, golly, yes, dear. But spare a thought for those of
us who are desperate just to get put in one or other
of those reductive pigeon-holes. We (I speak for a
legion, or just for myself) have spent out lives
occupying the imaginative, many-sided,
'fuzzy-thinking' postmodern *both / and* position of
being *both* unattractive *and* dull. We want to get
back to simplistic binary oppositions for once, and
have something going for us.


(YOU'RE SO)

That word 'ineffectual' is getting on for 6 centuries
old, or something. That's what I heard. No kidding.


FOX IS POLYSEMIC TOO

Carsmillie talked about Wembley rumours still needing
to be made up. He made me chuckle, or something
approaching it - I mean, I thought he was a funny
geezer, when he said that. But he did immediately, and
surely knowingly, raise the problem that once he had
spoken of the rumours not being made up, he'd begun to
make them up. Still, they do need more elaboration,
it's true.


I DON'T THINK I'LL GO BACK TO NEW JERSEY

Mooro, or somebody - I *think* it was Mooro - talked
about B&S recording that soundtrack. Again! He was
right, though. You see, I gave up on the idea of
getting Ally96 and The Care Bear to play on the
soundtrack. The idea was class, but the money-men just
weren't having it. I decided to ask this guitar player
'Stevie Jackson' instead. Watch this space.


A PICTURE OF HER AT THE PYRAMIDS

I have long maintained that fans of les Go-Betweens
are not good at coming out of the woodwork and
*justifying* their love. And this week has done little
to change my mind. A little, but not that much.


JESUS, JUST READ THE GODDAMN BOOK

Does anyone read Salinger *other than* The Catcher in
the Rye nowadays? I suppose the answer is yes: but me,
I have taken a good old time, my own sour time you may
say, getting round to it. Does Franny & Zooey have any
fans? That's what I'd like to know. And is all this
Glass-Family-Menagerie stuff a 'break' from Caulfield,
or an 'extension' of it? I don't know - the first
section of F&Z still lands us in that East-Coast
college-kid world, but is that a set-up to be knocked
down? There seems to be something a little stranger, a
little more ambitious, about Salinger, than I'd quite
managed fully to realize till now. Mainly, I didn't
realize that the books were connected up as they are.

Is it true, by the way, that Pynchonians just don't
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From ruvi at xxx.com  Sat Feb 17 02:54:13 2001
From: ruvi at xxx.com (Ruvi Simmons)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:54:13 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Not all those who wander are lost.
Message-ID: <001f01c0988c$ea529d20$6700000a@infotrek.co.uk>

I feel I really ought to clarify my apparently inflammatory remarks about
pretty girls and their capacity to be intellectuals. I doubt it need even be
said, but I made a broad generalisation which, of course, is not universally
applicable. No generalisations are. However, I offered a possible reason as
to why girls more fortunately endowed with physical attributes than others
are less likely to feel the need to develop their mental skills. It is
certainly not a situation I accept with pleasure, and nor is it one that is
confined to women. I will leave the castigation of men for another day,
though. As for "pigeon-holing" or stigmatising, that only applies to those
who already derive a certain identity with broad social groups. To those who
don't, such general, and obviously no infallible, observations wash away
like water off duck in a wet suit's back. Since I am sure that what I wrote
was not interesting or worthy enough to warrant being paraphrased, I will
leave it at that.

Besides which, such intellectual semantics are entirely too unromantic and
tedious to bother with, although many do (many of them women, I might add).
So I shall, if I may, offer a slightly more beautiful anecdote up for
whosoever may be interested. On Thursday I visited a friend at King's
College in Cambridge and just as I was leaving a fog descended on the
quadrangle. It was so thick that the buildings seemed to become less
tangible and take on an ethereal mantle. Around the square open ground lay
lamps, and they shone through the mist like little moons trapped on earth.
Such a scene was enough to make me feel a rising joy, as if I was witnessing
a truly precious moment of beauty passing over the earth. But then, to make
matters even better (you see, I am not always so negative; things do get
better), the organ in King's Chapel began to flood the quadrangle with
sonorous sound, like a hypnotic voice beyond speech. I felt, as I stood
rooted there, that there are special times, and they occur all over the
world and probably have done since the earth itself was a young thing, when
events coallesce to form a natural poetry, as if the world itself were
conjuring its own verse.

And the point of all that? Oh yes, there was a point, it was not just
self-indulgence. The point is, I think, to seek those moments out. They can
find you, as this one did me, but sometimes they are elusive. They may be
elusive, but they are always worth finding. Trawl the world, rove the sky,
climb hills, move your body until you find yourself in the centre of natural
poetry in action, when the earth recites its own lines of verse. That, I
think, was what Walter Pater meant when he said "to burn always with this
hard, gem-like flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life". Seek
and ye shall find, if I may be so Biblical.

Finally, I thought I'd mention one more thing about my dearly departed
darling Sylvia Plath. The aforementioned friend once attended a tea party
she held when she was studying in Cambridge, and he described her as a
self-centred, arrogant litte prig. He was probably right, but that didn't
prevent her from being one of the most brilliant, sincere and lyrical poets
of the 20th century. I suppose there is another lesson: not all poets are
capable of holding congenial tea parties. A lesson worth learning.

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From jules at xxx.cx  Sat Feb 17 05:34:53 2001
From: jules at xxx.cx (Julie)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:34:53 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Raise high the roofbeam, carpenters. 
References: <20010216204945.11412.qmail@web5301.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001901c098a4$318a9c80$4e1ba5d8@nyu.edu>

Because I am slightly drunk, I thought that I would respond to the Pine Fox
(He puts the WHORE in HORrifying, I mean that in the best possible way) and
say that yes, people do read Salinger other than Catcher In The Rye.  When I
was in high school, I was quite fond of Franny & Zooey and indeed liked it
better than Catcher in the Rye.  Then I lent it to my 10th grade European
history teacher and went to Japan (while in Japan I took Nine Stories out of
the library and read it, odd that they would have Nine Stories in the
library in Saga-shi, Japan, isn't it?) and never saw it again.  I recently
replaced the book and started to read it again, but I realized that since
I'm no longer a private school discontent teenager it just doesn't have the
same appeal (at least the "Franny" part).  But then, that's just growing up.
Also, Bring It On was the best movie of 2000.  The Academy really fucked up
this year (although I swear if Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon doesn't win all
the awards it's up for, heads will roll!).  Bring It On's the poo, Courtney,
take a big whiff.
Also, if Belle & Sebastian is in Hoboken, why are they not playing DDR with
me? Je ne sais pas!

xoxo
Julie

PS: I once had such a vivid dream that J.D. Salinger was releasing a new
book that I believed it was true for two years.  It wasn't true.

P F said:
> Does anyone read Salinger *other than* The Catcher in
> the Rye nowadays? I suppose the answer is yes: but me,
> I have taken a good old time, my own sour time you may
> say, getting round to it. Does Franny & Zooey have any
> fans

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From tmalone3 at xxx.net  Sat Feb 17 10:20:42 2001
From: tmalone3 at xxx.net (tmalone3 at xxx.net)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:20:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Soft as Snow (and cold outside)
Message-ID: <200102171019.KAA13694@missprint.org>

Well, for the first time in two years, it is snowing where I am
(Seattle, WA).  Well, it snowed last year, but it didn't stick in my
part of the city.  We're too close to the water, and its all concrete,
or so I'm told.  Its terribly depressing because winter is just cold
when there is snow.
Anyway, last night it started snowing, all slow at first, little flakes
calmly floating down.  Slowly they started to accumulate and before I
knew it, the city was blanketed in white.  I was so very excited that I
nearly screamed like a girl, but instead I did laundry.  Then I went
outside and took pictures of the snow, it was so peaceful at 1am, but I
fear there wasn't enough light (my camera kept yelling at me, but I
took the shots anyway).  Anyway, I got cold and went back in and
retrieved my laundry.  Ah, what a great feeling, warm, fresh from the
dryer socks.  Nothing better in the entire world if you ask me.
Then today on my way to school, I saw a woman and her little girl
making a snow mermaid.  I think it was the first snow storm the girl
had seen, she was so excited.  I wish I could've made a snow man, but I
had to goto class.  I went back and took a picture of the snow creature
after class.  Anyway, I just wanted to make my strong feelings for snow
known to the world.  Despite the fact that I found out that I have a
hole in the bottom of my shoe, and had to work for 8 hours today with
one soaking wet foot, I still love it when it snows.  Espesially when I
get to go home to a semi-warm house, bundle up and fall asleep while
listening to If You're Feeling Sinister (B&S content! :).
Good night everybody, and stay warm.

-- 
Tim Malone

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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Sat Feb 17 11:38:58 2001
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:38:58 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Bring Back Goalmouth Scrambles!
Message-ID: <002601c098d6$5bd3bbc0$4b62253e@itjfvkli>

I like dog-ugly thick-as-pigshit birds myself. I like birds that are so
thick their bulldog doesn't know which end of the wasp to chew. And vice
versa. You just wait until I get round to reading that Sylvia Plath Diaries
book with a segment of orange in my mouth, a plastic bag over my head and my
belt round my neck, which inadvertently causes my trousers to fall down.

You can get Deep Purple wallpaper!

I've taken that advice and given up on the MFs now, but you can't say I
didn't try. Can I take back that rude word I used about the Duke? I can?
Good, it's the longest Nick Dastoor moment I've ever had.

Thank you for that picture of Mr Dandycock, it made my day.

PF talked about Lionel Trilling. Is there really someone called Stanley
Fish? I like Mansfield Park, but I like Persuasion much better. There's at
least one group called The Persuasions, but no group has ever called itself
The Mansfield Parks. Yes, I think non-fiction does become historical in a
different way to fiction. Look at Edgar Allan Poe. His non-fiction is
brilliant and far-reaching, informative and entertaining, yet often in
copies of The Complete Works of Edgar Allan Poe the non-fiction pages have
been left uncut, and therefore unread, except by small insects. But then the
non-fiction didn't more or less invent the modern thriller, thereby more or
less engendering the entire film industry, television and the modern
internet. Mind you, I can't get on with his science fiction at all. And
everyone knows those "lend us a fiver" letters, which are non-fiction, and
supremely dramatic. I think perhaps, generally speaking, considerations of
entertainment are put to one side when non-fiction is being allotted its
historical value, resulting in a surprisingly high chart placing for
Virginia Woolf.

Also I suspect that in Jane Austen's day there were plenty of fans going,
"oh she's really lost the plot with Persuasion, really overdone the string
arrangements, Mansfield Park was bad enough, those sax solos really should
have set the alarm bells ringing, she ought to have split up straight after
Sense and Sensibility when you could still hear the quill scratches - they
ought to just stick out the Northanger Abbey demos."

Lucy, I think they have Buckaroo! in Denver.

Peter


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From david at xxx.uk  Sat Feb 17 12:33:23 2001
From: david at xxx.uk (David White)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:33:23 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Stuart Murdoch Interview
Message-ID: <MABBIEGAGBDOGHPKCDMHEEJJCBAA.david@belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk>

For those in the UK C4 teletext has an interview with Stuart Murdoch on page
453. For those abroad or who don't have teletext, or who just can't be
bothered looking, visit www.belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk and click the
big button on the home page to read the full transcript of the interview.

Brief summary: B&S will release two singles in Spring time. B&S will tour to
promote the singles. Stuff about FYHCYWLAP recording. Stuart M to write a
book? Stuart David leaving.
David White
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From p.carter at xxx.uk  Sat Feb 17 14:59:39 2001
From: p.carter at xxx.uk (Peter Carter)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:59:39 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Not all those who wander are lost.
Message-ID: <007901c098f2$401724a0$06c813ac@bathspa.ac.uk>

> Finally, I thought I'd mention one more thing about my dearly departed
> darling Sylvia Plath. The aforementioned friend once attended a tea party
> she held when she was studying in Cambridge, and he described her as a
> self-centred, arrogant litte prig. He was probably right, but that didn't
> prevent her from being one of the most brilliant, sincere and lyrical
poets
> of the 20th century. I suppose there is another lesson: not all poets are
> capable of holding congenial tea parties. A lesson worth learning.

Have you ever read 'Birthday Letters' by Ted Hughes... I assume any Sylvia
Plath/poetry fan would have done so. Don't you think that looking at Ted
Hughes' last work makes the likes of 'Ariel' pale into insignificance?
Whether Hughes was a bastard or not (and I'd bet money that the infidelities
were not entirely unprovoked), you have to admit that Hughes' work is
entirely more thoughtful, emotionally charged and perceptive than Plath's.
Poems like 'Oijui' (sp?)and 'Epiphany' easily eclipse the likes of 'Daddy'
(the most over-rated of Plath's poems) and 'Lady Lazarus', although maybe
'The Arrival of the Bee Box' comes close. Even compared to the likes of
Seamus Heaney she tend to pale by comparison. Looks at 'Digging' and compare
it to 'Ariel', doesn't Plath seem a little childish, lacking in perception,
clumsey even. While I appreciate that Plath is a VERY good poet, I think it
is a little odd to call her one of the most brilliant poets of the 20th
Century. The only reason I can see that she has been awarded this status in
so many people's eyes is because of her value in history... i.e. her
marriage to Ted Hughes and subsequent suicide.

As for Plath's self-centredness and arrogance. Do you not think that she
could bge allowed to be a little self-centred given all that she went
through in her life? If her pain was enough to make her constantly wish to
commit suicide then I think it was probably more important than anyone
elses. As for arrogance... it seems evident, through her poetry, if not her
auto-biography (or whatever the hell it is), that she was totally
self-depricating and lacking in self-worth, any arrogance was likely to have
been a cover to prevent other people from noticing what was gonig on
underneath.

"...and of course everyone felt appropriately shocked and saddened by the
women's affliction..."

The Happy Reaper


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From adevens at xxx.edu  Sat Feb 17 10:21:15 2001
From: adevens at xxx.edu (adevens at xxx.edu)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:21:15 US/Eastern
Subject: Sinister: this space intentionally left blank
Message-ID: <200102171521.f1HFLF320274@college.antioch-college.edu>

so um... i haven't really posted lately, or much at all. but that is currently
because i have been settling in to a new job and a new home.

so i now live in san francisco and i was um wondering if anyone wanted to help
me figure this place out ;-)

anyway back to life and stuff,
arik

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From disquieting7 at xxx.com  Sat Feb 17 16:35:11 2001
From: disquieting7 at xxx.com (Jillian Locke)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:35:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Not all those who wander are lost.
In-Reply-To: <007901c098f2$401724a0$06c813ac@bathspa.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20010217163511.12745.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com>

dear sinister,
i know... so far i have been more than invisible on
this list, lurking around, being half-assed about my
membership, but in light of the 'Sylvia is a
prig/notprig' conversation, i just had to say...
"The Story of Sylvia and Ted: A Novel" by Emma
Tennant, a former lover of Ted Hughes, is poised for
release in may 2001 - an attempt at 'fictionalizing'
the marriage, etc. Supposedly Tennant caused an uproar
with her inclusion of the 'affair' bits in some bio
she wrote earlier, or so my all-knowing book-crazed
boss tells me. The bad news is that this 'novel'
supposedly isn't going to be published in the UK, to
feign controversy.
iiinnteresting... isn't it?
And now for my opinion. Yes Sylvia was a bit of a
flake, if you read her journals it becomes blatantly
obvious, but if anyone read my journals, they'd get
the same impression, which is why i wonder about the
ethics behind publishing someone's journal, but i'm
hypocritical and nosey and will read them anyway! 
Some of her poems were good, some were crap. She just
tried too hard to be 'astute', and respected, and
successful, and it came out rigid and contrived most
of the time. She never thought anything she did was
good enough - a self-consiousness which was probably
fueled by living with ted, and typing his manuscripts
up for him, and other things...
'Ariel', i think, is Plath at her most emotive, and if
she hadn't killed herself she may have matured, and
learned how to hone this. Then again, who knows how
much praise it would have drawn in her presence, or
how much she may have cut it up - obscuring the work.
She did publish the quite autobiographical novel 'the
bell jar' under a pseudonym, after all. 
**In conclusion!** i appreciate both of them for their
contributions, and enjoy their work, but i find
neither of them particularily exciting anymore - in a
lyrical sense... however they do serve to satiate my
voyeristic tendancies from time to time, and needless
to say i will be reading the Tennant novel when it
comes out in Canada!
thats all!

jillian
  


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From bellezc at xxx.com  Sat Feb 17 17:57:24 2001
From: bellezc at xxx.com (zoe charaktinou)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:57:24 
Subject: Sinister: A long email where i get all of my neurosis out and bore you all...Hello!!
Message-ID: <F166swFCHOzyfyz5b6K0000160c@hotmail.com>

okay...i haven't posted for quite a while but i have to ,proudly no less, 
aadmit that i have been reading every single post everyday...

insignificant fact but i just wanted to boast a bit.

now,ahem...

as it was more or less known,about 2 weeks ago i went to London with my 
boyfriend.There,i decided to check my email and wht was awaitong for me was 
a lovely unvitation from Jucy Lucy to meet her in a pub along with a few 
more sinister -and mischievious-people...

After a long 'walk' around Tottenham Court Road area we finally found the 
place.It was really nice putting a few faces on names but unfortunately we 
didn't saty for long.I have to say that i was a bit scared in the first 
place-yes!i am being silly!- to meet people.I am not all that an active 
member of sinister in the way of knowing people from it or spending time on 
#sinister so i felt a bit weird...
ANYWAY,one of the reasons we didn't saty was because my boyfriend-whom i 
love very very much but sometimes gets into weird mode-wasn't feeling very 
comfortable and he was tired and got grumpy.So.I personally was a bit 
guttered 'cos i really wanted to hung around more and get to actually talk 
to people...It was the first chance i had to meet quite a few people from 
the list and it didn't really work out all that well...(grumble 
grumble,mutter mutter....).So i want to apologise for being rude and 
leaving.I DIDN'T WANT TO GO!!!!!...sob sob....

'Nough with that though...

On another note:I DIDN'T GET A VALENTINE'S CARD!(that'll show me for not 
giving one in the first place...)

Instead we had a massive argument-which at the time was horrible BUT i think 
it is working for the best.

I went to #sinister the other day, and bumped into a greek member of the 
list under the nick torchy and since i don't have his email, i just want to 
say that :i'm sorry for disappearing so abruptly but a housemate knocked 
(and not kocked ) me offline and by the time i got back you were gone so 
sorry and i hope we talk again...

It was nice seeing GHD again...haven't seen him for a long long time...

hope you're well.i don't forget...

hmmm,in my old age i get sentimental even though i'm horrible and don't keep 
in touch with people that matter...vel and G. don't be angry at me...
i love you guys...

My happy moment is that i have ordered 3 cds from amazon and i am awaiting 
for them...(madrugada,calexico and U2)

OH!btw,as some of you may recall i did an essay about sinister land.I got 
the results back and it was graded ok(i wanted MOOOOOOORE!!).I got B11 out 
of A16.

Now,i had promised to send it to people but,and i'm really really sorry, i 
don't remember if i did.If anyone is interested i will be happy to send 
it.It's a very personal essay.It's written in first person.

Anyway,that's that from me...
i'll go and have no life now...

love you all VERY VERY MUCH and i agree with Colin that it would be so great 
if we were all together and hung out as a big group of friends...
that's it from me...
big eeeee

love you

Zoe xxxx
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From kitsapcd at xxx.com  Sat Feb 17 18:57:59 2001
From: kitsapcd at xxx.com (Disc Go Round Bremerton)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:57:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: A slight case of overbombing
Message-ID: <20010217185759.8351.qmail@web6301.mail.yahoo.com>

  Yes, I'm a bit of a lurker, but the news that Belle
& Sebastian will be touring prompted me to write.  And
all I have to say about that is if Belle & Sebastian
tour & don't come to Seattle, I don't think I will
ever forgive them.  

  That's all.  Hope you all are well.  I miss
Scotland.  How's everything up there?

  Cheers,
  Jen (jerkgirl)

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From zanne at xxx.com  Sat Feb 17 20:34:23 2001
From: zanne at xxx.com (some random girl)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:34:23 -0700
Subject: Sinister: tis a bit old
Message-ID: <001f01c09921$03dc17a0$abd86c18@powersurfr.com>

"a series of unfortunate events", a depressing children series, perfect for
belle and sebastian fans.

some random girl

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From pinefox1 at xxx.com  Sat Feb 17 20:35:31 2001
From: pinefox1 at xxx.com (P F)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:35:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: A Dutiful Boy In A Bubbly Town
Message-ID: <20010217203531.20485.qmail@web5304.mail.yahoo.com>


Holsten Export? That's of no importance at all.

WHO IS SYLVIA?

This Plath thing just rumbles on and on, like a
steamroller. Possibly that's impressive.

Sylvia Plath is not mentioned in the outstanding
Go-Betweens song 'Karen'.

It rhymes 'Standing by the counter' with 'all the
problems that I encounter'. But it does not do so as
well as one might hope.

I shall save my response to the Plathites for
Papercuts#5:Caleb's Legacy, where I think I should
perhaps say something on this. Hm, perhaps I should
use a pseudonym.


BUYING THEIR ICE-CREAMS FROM SOMEONE ELSE

The streets of these other towns still drift with
people wheeling like seagulls. The waves of middle age
lack glamour - I don't notice till I try to take a ton
of pictures of them. The new familiar iconography
diverts few observers. Bollard streets, and bins. I
saw a teenager today in a Nirvana T-shirt. I
calculated that this was something like seeing a
teenager (say, 17) in a Smiths T in 1994. I loved the
Smiths in 1994 and love them still, but in 1994 the
Smiths on a teen would have looked a tad retro, as it
would today. (In 1994 the kids wore... Nirvana
T-shirts.) That is not, of course, a case against it.
Far from it, possibly.

Over a 50p refill I finished Franny & Zooey. It really
is a bit of an oddball of a work. It's a funny thing
how the two protagonists are both said to be gorgeous.
That's always convenient. I must try it myself.

What is it about the kids in the towns? Are they into
heavy metal or something? I can't quite figure them
out. The style seems to date back to the mid-90s or
so. They never talked to me back then, anyway.


OH! IT'S ANOTHER!!

Who really blew me away was the geezer Peter Miller.
He sought to return to 'goalmouth scrambles', and I
thought: but there were such scrambles today, Miller,
as Tottenham Hotspur were abjectly humbled by the
mighty Stockport County.

No?

Oh.

Never/Mind, as we used to say in the pre-retro days.

Well, Miller went on.


YOUR MAKE-UP NEEDS A SHAKE-UP

>>> You just wait until I get round to reading that
Sylvia Plath Diaries book with a segment of orange in
my mouth, a plastic bag over my head and my belt round
my neck, which inadvertently causes my trousers to
fall down.

Gosh, I don't know. I just don't know. How does SP
relate, anyway, to your preference for the ugly and
stupid?


STANLEY WASN'T LIBERATED BY FRANCE, OR ANY OTHER
REVOLUTION

>>> Is there really someone called Stanley Fish?

Oh, yes. He's proud of that name. They say that he was
the model for David Lodge's character Morris (sp?)
Zapp. And that was a long time ago.

Fish has had an influence on me, you know - much more
than I'd have expected in the days when Nirvana were
around.


I'D LIKE TO BE IN HISTORY

But Miller went on.

>>> Yes, I think non-fiction does become historical in

a different way to fiction. Look at Edgar Allan
Poe....  I think perhaps, generally speaking,
considerations of entertainment are put to one side
when non-fiction is being allotted its historical
value, resulting in a surprisingly high chart placing
for Virginia Woolf.

This is just so thought-provoking that I don't know
where to begin. Does anyone else?

You know, a lot of people find VW very entertaining.
Some folks find SP entertaining, too. Oranges or no.


CAREY, GET OUT YOUR CATTLE

I must return, quick as a green arrow, to that
Mitchell thing.

It moves me when on 'My Old Man' (1971) she sings
'Me and them lonesome blues / collide...'.

But it doesn't move me cos of the lyric - far from it.
The melody, the swooping delivery, the characteristic
rich piano chords, have made my heart swim since I was
a child. I have never known what she was singing. It
devastated me again tonight, and I looked at the lyric
sheet. And, well. The idea of 'colliding with the
blues' is actually OK. But the rest of that chorus
reeally doesn't have the poignancy it *ought* to have.
On paper it just looks like dull bluesy standard
stuff.

So what I'm thinking is that we have here a version of
Eliot's 'Objective Correlative' (1919), for which
there was a disjunction, a disproportion between the
emotion and the literary means by which it was
expressed. In 'My Old Man' there's a disjunction
between the banality of the lyric and the melancholy
passions that its delivery inflames - to the point
when it's best not to know what she's singing at all.

Hm. Nobody mentioned *this* in THE MESSAGE (1999).

I could be exaggerating the poverty of the lyric. But
I still think that the dynamism of this song's melody
is perhaps more striking than anything on, say,
"Holiday" or "The Charm Of The Highway Strip", and
that is saying something in my book.

Have you read my book? It's called 'Joni Mitchell vs
Early Magnetic Fields', and will be published by
Manchester's Carcanet Press later this calendar year.


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From melissa_rands at xxx.com  Sat Feb 17 21:59:01 2001
From: melissa_rands at xxx.com (Melissa Rands)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:59:01 -0600
Subject: Sinister: w/ love, from Brighton
Message-ID: <F218Dt3HvoFOAmEaJsw0000f242@hotmail.com>

Hello Sinister...I know all of you have (or
aspire to have) a creative streak...so put it to good use
by participating in my friend's MA project! He is a grad student
at the University of Brighton, England, and he is looking
for some interesting people to participate.

This only involves taking a few photos, scanning them in
(or using your digital camera, of course)and sending them via
email. That's it! You don't even have to use your real name, if
you don't want to. Here is the link for the project:

http://pages.zoom.co.uk/hrachovec/ma

Hope you enjoy it! Thanks...
Melissa

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From jules at xxx.cx  Sun Feb 18 00:03:18 2001
From: jules at xxx.cx (Julie)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:03:18 -0500
Subject: Sinister: tis a bit old
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some random girl said:

> "a series of unfortunate events", a depressing children series, perfect
for
> belle and sebastian fans.

Interesting that you make that connection during the great Magnetic Fields
vs. B&S debates, since Lemony Snicket IS Daniel Handler, sometimes accordian
player for the Magnetic Fields and friend of the Merritt. Daniel Handler
also wrote a fabulous grown-up book called the Basic 8 about angst and
absinthe, which should be read by all (and has been mentioned numerous times
before on sinister).  Watch Your Mouth, not as good.  I've not read the
Lemony Snicket books although I bet they're in the same vein as the
Gashlycrumb Tinies, eh?  Has anyone seen the Edward Gorey musical?
Also, Belle & Sebastian are STILL not playing DDR with me.  Why?  WHY??

xoxo
Julie

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From ynoh at xxx.edu  Sun Feb 18 06:08:45 2001
From: ynoh at xxx.edu (Youn J. Noh)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 01:08:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: cos i'm a rag doll
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Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.04.10102172246400.19600-100000@julius.ling.ohio-state.edu>

Hi Sinister,

> Phases. I really don't like when this term or this kind of mentality
> is used to describe sexuality. I happen (this is just me!) to think
> the best way to look at sexuality and relationships is a case-by-case
> basis. If you like someone, go out with them and do things people who
> like each other do. If you dont, then don't.

I like the idea of this, and I like how Jason puts it, but I find myself
led astray by boys' handwriting specifically cos it's theirs; the way the
letters come out shrunken and crumpled, like laundry left in the dryer too
long.  That and their doodling in the margins of notebooks - usually
architectural-looking things - all lines and planes, with shading and
perspective.  From a girl, it just wouldn't be the same: ah, she's trying
to be a tomboy or something like that, I would think.

PF wrote:
> Llaura Llew returned, more than once. She talked about
> being inside eating (or was it drinking?) chocolate
> while it snowed outside. The stray conjunction made me
> think, Llaura, in your cardigan and with your
> 'roacking horse' and Irn-Bru, you ought to hear that
> song "Chocolate Snow".
> 
> You have?
> 
> Oh.

I wouldn't worry.  She's probably working on a story called "Chocolate
Snow".  You know that I added all the greater than signs and spaces after
cutting and pasting?  That's cos I'm a freak.  I spied on the lacewings
list and found they were spying on us.  There's a subscriber with the
username Mariannaisweird and I checked to see if it was Marianna S. Parker
cos she's the one who was spying on us before and it was and I wanted to
see if she was calling herself weird and she was and that's the kind of
thing I like in a girl.  But I hope she's not spying now.

I don't see the point of comparing the Magnetic Fields to Belle and
Sebastian.  Maybe I would if I read Alistair's piece, but I don't want to
see it.  Before, he wrote a great piece on driving and listening to music
and how the kind of music he brought for a road trip in the US was all
wrong: it wasn't BIG enough, or something like that.  It's nice to listen
to music in different places.  I'm winding down to a confession here.  I
left the tapes in my car and either it was really cold and so that was the
reason, or else my tape deck just eats tapes.  I think it's cos the
auto-reverse is not very smart so it gets confused and doesn't know which
way to go at the end of the tape.  I've had this problem before but not in
the same car.  It was the end of 16 Lovers Lane.  

Seymour Glass is my top literary crush.  (Even in books they're taken!)
Then Eddie in The Death of the Heart.  As you can see, I'm recovering from
Valentine's Day.  But I can see just what kind of mood Stuart must have
been in to write "I Don't Love Anyone". 

Who is the person who said something like the response to a work of art
should be a work of art?  What were his exact words?  A former professor
quoted him and emphasized the role of inspiration, but I think of it as
a conversation.  Where is Steven Kado when you need him?  Maybe he could
say something enlightening about Wittgenstein at this point. There's an
endpoint to criticism that isn't always recognized: you can never get at
the work itself.  I think Jason McKinnon was saying something like this.
And the correspondence between words and things in the world is imperfect.
It would be useful to talk about something on its own terms, but what are
these terms?  And what are non-artists to do?  Offer mixtapes and quote
other people's poetry? 

On the other hand, Richard Dalloway could not say those words when he gave
Mrs. Dalloway flowers.  Doing things with words.  Sometimes criticism
seems top-heavy. 
  
Yours truly,
Youn



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From kmhyde at xxx.edu  Sun Feb 18 07:58:05 2001
From: kmhyde at xxx.edu (Kevin Hyde)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 02:58:05 -0500
Subject: Sinister: how can you write in the fourth person?
Message-ID: <NEBBLKLOALLAEOEBIJONAEBOCAAA.kmhyde@wm.edu>

I always wondered what it would be like to write in the fourth
person....could you combine first person and third person? or maybe a second
person narrative squared?

I don't think either of those would count though, that's the thing....



I've been interviewing people around my school, asking them about the
happiest moments of their lives (as long as the instances are not super
personal) so that I can put them in a short story. It's intriguing to note
that quite a few people focus only on very very recent memories- which is, I
guess, just further evidence for the primacy effect. I had long been under
the impression that many people had childhood memories that were far better
in terms of intensity and duration. (now I sound like Bentham)

many guys cited past girlfriends- the girls were much more diverse.

huh.



anyway- I just got the new Low album, and it is as good as everyone says it
is. I had the chance to book them to play at my school with Labradford, but
the scheduling office which handles those sorts of things said I would've
had to pay nine times what the budget was, just to reserve the proper gig
space. very disappointing.

***reason for posting*** I was wondering if anyone would be willing to send
me phrases. Yes, i did type that right. just sentences that really don't
have to do with anything- especially phrases that make you feel good- that
have positive connotations to you- the more non-sequitur-ish, the better.
I'm doing this as part of the research for my philosophy thesis:
that certain words and even letters seem intrinsically 'good', and others
are 'bad'. (that's not all the thesis- it's more to do with ethical
language, but I didn't want to bore/out-pretentious anyone)


thanks.

have a good Sunday-

Kevin



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From pinefox1 at xxx.com  Sun Feb 18 12:47:44 2001
From: pinefox1 at xxx.com (P F)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 04:47:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Can you hear this / Or should I / Turn it up?
Message-ID: <20010218124744.15906.qmail@web5302.mail.yahoo.com>


I tell you what. Look up John Hughes in Thomson's
Biographical Dictionary Of Film. It's not
*outstanding*, no, it's not even that good - but DT is
a hero to one or two of us for his ability to be so
regularly, briefly, casually interesting, maybe right,
about things he doesn't even care about.

I have just heard the Go-Betweens compared to Dire
Straits.


THE OCEAN

Julie - never mind Sylvia, Who Is Julie? Her posts
remind me of the first line of Strindberg's, um,
Seminal, Live play of, oh, 1888:

- Miss Julie's crazy tonight!

She asked why the DDR wasn't featuring in her life!

It's finished, Julie. Gone with history's Southerly
winds. Kaput, as they say in Monaco.


JUST LIKE THE SNOW

Youn said

>> She's probably working on a story called "Chocolate
Snow".

Oh. So is Ally96, in his spare time at the golf club.
No, not really. He just plays golf. With a golf club.

Can you believe that I added those 'greater than'
signs myself?


THREE STEP

>>> I don't see the point of comparing the Magnetic
Fields to Belle and Sebastian.

Me either, as we say in Stockwell.

>>> Maybe I would if I read Alistair's piece, but I
don't want to see it.

Nor do I. Especially not after reading that silly,
ungracious demolition of it the other week.

>>> Before, he wrote a great piece on driving and
listening to music and how the kind of music he
brought for a road trip in the US was all wrong: it
wasn't BIG enough, or something like that.

OK, point taken. But have you read Edna Welthorpe's
piece on how THE REAL RAMONA finally made sense on the
freeways? *That*'s a good piece on music and driving.
You should post it to the list, Edna.

Edna?


I'VE BEEN LONELY

>>> Seymour Glass is my top literary crush.  (Even in
books they're taken!)

'Taken'? Taken by 'the Reaper', you mean?


HUEFFER SAYS THAT (2) JAMES BELAUDS BALZAC (p.308)

>>> Who is the person who said something like the
response to a work of art should be a work of art?

Many have said things like this. Some of them have
been 'artists'.

>>> What were his exact words?

Here's Ezra Pound in sunny June 1922:

The best criticism of any work, to my mind the only
criticism of any work of art that is of permanent or
even moderately durable value, comes from the creative
writer or artist who does the next job; and *not*, not
ever from the young gentlemen who make generalities
about the creator. Laforgue's Salom� is the real
criticism of Salammbo; Joyce and perhaps Henry James
are critics of Flaubert.

(Literary Essays of Ezra Pound, ed. T.S. Eliot;
London: Faber, 1960, p.406.)


AUSTIN ALLEGRO

>>> And the correspondence between words and things in
the world is imperfect.

That depends on what kind of thing you think words
are, and what kind of work you think they do, and who
(human beings vs god, for instance) put them to that
work. In a sense my view on this is: there is no
extra-linguistic way of knowing about the shortcomings
of words in 'corresponding' to things; so to talk
about imperfect correspondence may be a wrong turn.

Believe it or not, I once tried to stick something on
this issue on the 'internet'. But the correspondence
between my intentions and the effects of the
electronic world was most imperfect.

>>> It would be useful to talk about something on its
own terms, but what are these terms?

I think that's a relevant question. 'Conversation' is
a helpful image again: a dialogue between the terms
that we take an object to provide, and the terms we
(unavoidably) bring to it. We can try, maybe, to keep
the conversation polite and respectful, and hope that
the two sets of terms will learn from each other;
although in some cases (avant-garde art; political
criticism) that may not be the point.

Many folk could help us out here. What about
Papercuts' hero Roland Barthes?


COFFEE IN DONCASTER

>>> And what are non-artists to do?

I seem to recall that Henri Bergson once said:

'If reality could immediately reach our senses and our
consciousness, if we could come into direct contact
with things and with each other, probably art would be
useless, or rather we should all be artists...'

(Actually this is from the canonical essay 'Laughter',
from around 1899.)


THAT GIRL? SHE COUNTS THE HOURS

>>> On the other hand, Richard Dalloway could not say
those words when he gave Mrs. Dalloway flowers. Doing
things with words.

Did he do them with flowers, either? Words might have
helped. I think that we're meant to be feel BOTH moved
by what he manages, ineptly, to 'say', AND saddened by
the failure quite to 'say' it. VW was, I think,
interested in the imperfections and ambiguities of
these matters. I seem to recall that Michael
Cunningham's The Hours (1998), a book that I like
perhaps even more than Mrs D itself, (unsurprisingly)
replays this incident somehow or other.


CRITICAL (YOU'RE SO)

>>> Sometimes criticism seems top-heavy. 

Anthony Powell: 'Books do furnish a room'.


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From Weingut.Hammes at xxx.de  Sun Feb 18 15:33:28 2001
From: Weingut.Hammes at xxx.de (Juergen Hammes)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:33:28 +0100
Subject: Sinister: how can you write in the fourth person?
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> ***reason for posting*** I was wondering if anyone would be willing to send
> me phrases. Yes, i did type that right.
There is a word in German language, I don't really know anything equal in 
English, that is called "dafür". it basically means "For this" and it always 
gives you the feeling of not being all worthless. The phrase to it would be 
"Dafür bist du hässlich". If someone insults you, you can use it as a defence. 
It means "(famous dafür) you're ugly". Or anything like that. It's a confidence 
booster sometimes. Slightly.

Kerstin
Was it someone that you'd maybe recognise ? 

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From Histrianic at xxx.com  Sun Feb 18 18:07:04 2001
From: Histrianic at xxx.com (Histrianic at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:07:04 EST
Subject: Sinister: monopoly?
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At my off-the-face-of-the-earth boarding school, we have an annual Jazz Brunch.  They decorate our usually exteremly bleak and ugly dining hall with cheesy tableclothes and shiny balloons in an attempt to make it look nice.  They have regular food, not the demorphed form of malnutrition they normally serve.  They have ice sculptures and caterers.  And they have a live jazz band playing.  It's actually quite nice.  It is at this jazz fest that I ran into my long time crush, a senior that I stalk and love.  He was playing Monopoly with his selected crowd of friends.  He plays the banjo, and is the biggest slacker in the world after myself.  He had pink hair, which he bleached out.  So now he's got long grungy white hair.  I think it's the sexiest thing in the world.
Belle and Sebastian.  A lot of their songs make me think about a lot of things.  I think there's more of a message they're trying to convey to their listeners in B&S songs than let's say, Dave Matthews Band.  Now, I love Dave Matthews Band beyond anything else.  I think they've got ingenious songs and melodies.  I love the fiddle part from "Crush".  I think B&S depend equally on their lyrics and their melodies to attract their listeners, whereas bands like DMB use a lot more of melody.  But I still love Dave Matthews' voice.
Back to my beloved, stalked senior.  He has the same birthday as my first boyfriend, only three years ahead.  He's technically only 2 years older than me, but he's three grades ahead of me.  So yes, I'm a freshman stalking a senior.  I think I have a tendency to go for the unavailable or the unattainable.  When I was in seventh grade, I was after a junior.  And half my crushes turn out to be gay.  I need therapy.
I have a show to put on in about an hour.  I should go to call.  It was two minutes ago.  Oh well.
Ta-ta for now.

Lots of love and a monopoly board,
Hye Min
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From kittenmouse at xxx.com  Sun Feb 18 18:58:11 2001
From: kittenmouse at xxx.com (Andrea Kittenmouse)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:58:11 -0800
Subject: Sinister: re: sinister: Sylvia, etc
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hiya,
How's it going?  I just woke up way too early on a sunday morning and I've 
got a cold.  Ugh.  It feels like my sinuses are being filleted by dull 
knives.  And worse yet, someone told me to snort salt water yesterday to 
make it better.  Of course I didn't do it!  That just isn't right.
Anyway, regarding Sylvia Plath and this discussion...I've only got this to 
say: read Virginia Woolf "A Room of One's Own".  Things in general start to 
make sense.  Parts are a bit outdated, but if you are an artist or writer or 
whatever, I think it's a valuable work.
And (argh!) I hope Belle and Sebastian don't tour the US in the fall.  That 
WOULD be the only time I'm in Scotland.
Hot chocolate is yummy,
Andrea
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From vilkas at xxx.com  Sun Feb 18 19:12:40 2001
From: vilkas at xxx.com (Vilkas D'Angelo-Horvath)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:12:40 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Try it, It's Rich & Chocolatey!
Message-ID: <200102182005.PAA27210@barry.mail.mindspring.net>

RICHMOND PICNIC ANNOUNCEMENT
    Here's a general shout out to all yous that are in Virginia. If you're
going to the LaBradford & Low show this Monday, we should meet for dinner
beforehand. We can have an indoor picnic probably involving waitresses.

LEIGH MADFLOWR & KENNETH P(ika, sorry) CHU  & SPLAT!  & ANDREA KITT'NM'SE(&
VELOCITY GIRL)
    I should say hello to Leigh Madflowr whose name I probably just spelled
wrong. I saw you and your friend at the Mojave 3 show in Baltimore last
Sunday. And if any others of yous were there, a hello to you too. I was the
black-haired girl with the neon orange/kittycat/SleaterKinney t-shirt and
grey sharkskin jacket hanging out with the girl who looked like a very short
posh spice. And yes she knows I pick on her. She does the same to me. It was
a FABulous show and I ran into my friend Ryan who works up in Baltimore now.
It was a nice night. Especially as me and my short-posh-spice-friend Maura
used to be roomates, but then we had a Huuuuuge fight, and haven't hung out
for a full evening, just us, since then.
    Plus I found out that they sell Red Bull in the US now. This makes me
very happy. Kenneth, I thought of you.
   Splat!, I played your songs off the sinister website. You rock. My cat
gave my computer the dirtiest look. Then he looked up at me and gave me the
same look along with a long siamese mmmmmmmwroowwwwwww. If he could speak
English it's like he was saying  "Mom what the fuck is that? Y'know there's
a cat in your computer. Do I have to kill your computer or are you gonna
take care of it?".
    Andrea Kittenmouse, watch out. Hot Chocolate is more addictive than
beer. Just a warning from a hot-chocolate addict. At least I've admitted it;
that's the first step.
    And Velocity Girl. Thanks for the tape and the sweets. Mmmm chocolate.
Mmmmm Rose flavour. Just throwing a quick note in here, a real letter
later...

PINEFOX
    The last thing I read by Salinger was Nine Stories. That's no more
original. I've never read Catcher in the Rye. I went to a prep school from
middle school until I graduated for a total of five years. Yep the little
plaid skirts and the whole bit. The last thing I wanted to read in high
school was something telling me about my fellow disgruntled classmates. And
now, the last thing I want to read is a memory of high school.  All this and
I'm probably mistaken as to what the books about. All this and I ***loved***
The Sopranos by Alan Warner. Dunno.
    And I know two things about the Go-Betweens other than 'You should hear
them, you'd love'em'; is Molly Ringwald's notebook in sixteen candles. Her
character had it written big across her notebook. Or is that just a skewed
memory? I think that might be wrong, I think it's a John Hughes production
though. Plus the Leonard Cohen tribute album with Robert Forster singing a
song. Mr. Forster's voice is reeeeallllly nice.

MY FRIENDS GIVE ME TALKING DOLLS.  NOT CHUCKY THOUGH, THANK FUCK.
    My friend Beth gave me a Valentine's day gift. It was unexpected. It was
cool. It was a stuffed doll from the shop where she works. It's a little
Chinese girl. Pink satin chinese-looking-style jacket with matching pink
satin ribbons in black yarn hair. Neon green t-shirt, dark jeans with a big
pink heart embroidered below one knee, pink platform mary janes. So...when
you squeeze her hand she says the English, then the Mandarin Chinese of a
bunch of different stuff. Hello,Ni Hao; How Are You?, Ni Hao Ma...
    My friend Amy, who is now a park ranger in Yellowstone and just how cool
is that, gave me a sparkly orange and pink small doll with a big flower on
it's front and big pigtails. When you pressed it's belly, it made this Boing
Boing Boing noise. She said it was a portrait of me.

A WEE STORY I.E. I HATE BEING A GROWN UP I.E. ME BITCHING ABOUT NOTHING. I
OUGHT TO BE GRATEFUL.
    At 26, I'm becoming an adult. I've stayed in three times this week on
nights when there was something to do. At fucking least I'm employed. At at
fucking least I like my job. I'm the art supply shop girl. I sell really
nice, really expensive paint. Brushes and sharp things too.
    On Monday, I did not go to the second night of Mojave 3 because I had to
be at work at 8:45 the next morning and I had only had three and a half
hours sleep the night before as me and my friend Maura had gone to Baltimore
to see Mojave 3 the night before. And I had just worked from 8:45 until 6.
    Then on St.Valentines St.Shmalentines day, I was meant to go to a
benefit show for living wage. Trixie Delicious & the Lott Lizards and the
Rah-Bras. If either of these folks come to your town you should see them cos
they do not suck. My friend, Shane, is Trixie Delicious. He is *the* most
beautiful drag queen ever. He becomes a combination of Dolly Parton and
Patsy Cline in a sporty Versace dress with Nick Cave's voice coming out. An
old fashioned, good blend of northern soul & old school country music. Like
when country and soul and rock and roll were much closer in definition to
each other. Plus hand claps and "Woooooooo!!!"s and a mandolin and the girl
who plays keyboards, plays something old and ***bright orange***. The
Rah-Bras just rock. Like Blonde Redhead if they played Rocket From The
Crypt's songs. And they have been known to sell deluxely decorated Bras as
promotional items.
    Anyway. It was another case of a nine hour day with another one waiting
at 8:45 the next day.
    And tonight. I had today off. I got up, made coffee & breakfast and went
back to bed and cuddled with the cat and listened to Excuses For Travellers
on repeat/shuffle for about 4 hours. Around two I got out of bed. Errand
time! Bank. The tire place (as there is a nail in my tire that is
unpatchable, but the nail is sticking firmly enough to drive around).  Then
the really big store. I hate the really big store, but I love xtra cheap
film developing and seven dollars for a 5 pound bag of walnuts. I had some
of my photographs from last year in Scotland (  & little bit of Ireland &
England too) developed. It's awful exciting; like getting back on an
airplane. One of my vegatable bins in my fridge is still half full of
exposed films. Oh Dear.
    But as the really big store is evil in the bad way, it sucked me in.  I
ended upcoming home with a new-fangled mop, a swiffer. I figured it was ok,
cos the mop i have now is from a dumpster and does not actually do anything
but wet the floor. After I looked at my photos I was gonna go out to an
early punkrock show of my friend Brien's band, Lycosa. Their record is
something like 20 songs 20 minutes. Wrraaahhh. I decided I didn't wanna deal
with snooty secnester 15-21 year old punkrock kids cos I'm *not punk rock
enough and I don't even have any tattoos*. What-ever. It's not me, it's
them. No offence to any non snooty punk rock kids. You're alright. Or any
15-21 year olds.  You're alright too. Plus, I couldn't be bothered to put my
shoes back on anyway. No Loud Rahhhk tonight then.
    I could have gone to see another friend's band. See, this town is small,
but there's at least one band for every two people and often all the good
ones play on the same night. Some are good, some aren't, same everywhere
though. Jessica plays the saw. It sounds cool as shit. like a theremin. Her
and the other guy in the band, Phil, call themselves 'Toothpick'. Saw=tooth;
Guitar=pick...Toothpick. Get it? Oy Vey.
    I said, ok I'll go hang out, listen to some music, have a drinky-poo,
maybe see some folks I know. Y'know be social. I prepared dinner. Then after
my complexly prepared deli sandwich; i walked through the kitchen...the
swiffer drew me to it with it's mop magneticism.
    I assembled it properly, and proceeded to dustmop my entire house.  I
felt like Judy Jetson with my futuristic mop.  My roomate said if they found
out I'm this excited about a mop, they'll commandeer all my punk rock
t-shirts. I could have made a whole new cat with just the fur from
underneath the radiators. I could have gone out and been social. But I have
to work at 10 tomorrow morning.

HONEY & AUNT SADIE, ME, MEGAN CEASETOCARE AND THE RECORD STORE.
    Honey & Aunt Sadie, you're right. That new International Airport record
is reallllly niiiiice.
    And Megan ceasetocare from Virginia. I too am from Virginia. Which part
are you from? Have we already discussed this? And Megan, my local record
store, Plan 9, has a buncha of different Felt records in stock.
    Speaking of My Local Record Store; I did the stupid,"now that I'm
employed it's safe for me to go into the record store again" thing. Nope,
not safe. I got some fabulous records and I'm very happy listening to them.
Especially cos the only thing I can do after work is crash, it's nice to go
straight to my bed from work and make friends with my stereo.
    Record Reviews:
        Teenage Fanclub, Thirteen: Never had this one. It's nice. It
Rahhhhks. Literally. $2.00
        International Airport, Nothing We Can Control: Like floating in a
swimming pool or ocean,            
        under a cloudless blue sky while slightly drunk, after having lots
of sex. Or a drizzly morning
        in bed when you've nothing to do and the cat is firmly planted next
to you. $12.99
        Wink,HereHear: Loopy, Nonsucky, techno. My friend Colin Baker had
this tape in his car.$2.00
        Royal Trux, Cats and Dogs: Never had this one either. Pure Rock.
This is *so* good. It's loud
        and out of tune. >:-) $7.00
        Steps: Step One: I could no longer resist A Deeper Shade of Blue.
$7.00
        Goldfrapp, Felt Mountain: Like Portishead, only more evil and more
Alpine. $12.99
        John Spencer Blues Explosion, Xtra Acme: More full of funk, more
full of punkrock, more
        soul, more blooooooooose ex-plo-shun. $7.00
        A free sampler with Kylie Minogue's version of the Locomotion. $0.00
        Suede, Everything Will Flow, 12": Two remixes. Not listened to it
yet. �90
        The Belly Dancer, The Sheik's Men: An LP of Belly Danceing Music
from Reprise's Stereo 'Pop
        Series' from 1961. Haven't listened to it yet. Still digging the
cheesey description on the
        back of the album. �90.

QUESTIONS THAT I CAN'T FIND THE ANSWERS TO
    - Who can tell me what the name of the Cut La Roc song is that sounds
like someone walking in
    corduroy trousers at the beginning. I've heard it's Daft Punk instead
too.
    -Who has a copy of Pussy Galore's "Exile on Main Street" that they want
to tape for me?
    -"Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa"...What is this?
    -Have you fellow Mac users found a acceptable mac substitute for
napster. Please,
    *no* responses to the list on this question. If you've bothered to read
this far.
    -Who put the goblins in my car to make it not run so well?
    -Who made airplane tickets so damn expensive?
    -When are my feet gonna get used to 9 hour retail shifts?
    -Why is my cat's favorite game called "Bite Mom's Hand"?

            Goodnight, Ms. Vilkas (by the way my nickname in real life is
Willie)


P.S. I wrote this on Friday evening. Didn't want to mail it until it got
proofread. So now it's sunday and here you go. If you've found this, thanks
for reading this far.




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From Walkn10 at xxx.com  Sun Feb 18 20:45:49 2001
From: Walkn10 at xxx.com (Walkn10 at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:45:49 EST
Subject: Sinister: mein scheisse
Message-ID: <3b.109c7509.27c18e7d@aol.com>

Hi everyone,

My band Callow has FINALLY posted Mp3s onto our website, who's addy is at the 
bottom.  One of the songs, "Lessons in Shut-eye" is going to be on a 
compliation this summer, compiled by our very own Steve Genge, that also 
features the Lucksmiths and Clock Strikes Thirteen (among others).  Check it 
out if you get a chance and let me know what you're thinking/feeling/doing...
Later

Steve C.

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"Which Paul?" "BLAH!"

visit http://callowkids.tripod.com or your crush will hate you forever

Call WRNR 103.1 at (410) 269-1031 and request Callow's "Lessons in Shut-eye" 
or you will have bad luck...forever or something.
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From dontloveanyone at xxx.com  Mon Feb 19 00:26:19 2001
From: dontloveanyone at xxx.com (Mike K)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:26:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me
Message-ID: <384809972.982542379539.JavaMail.root@web575-ec.mail.com>

Yes, I really did, and now i am confused and completely unsure about how tomorrow will be. The 'somebody' is a girl i've been really into the last month (as just about no-one will remember from my last post) and we went out drinking friday night with several friends and i haven't had such a fantastic conversation in months. she's very cute and swedish. i even told her she was beautiful in swedish, her best friend taught me, but for all i know i told her that i have a fetish for knee-high socks. and i don't. well, not usually, anyway.

Steve C. said:

> My band Callow has FINALLY posted Mp3s onto our website, who's 
> addy is at the 
> bottom.  

I listened to "Lessons in Shuteye" and it's gorgeous, good luck mate. 

I thought for a while Stuart M was making a Smiths reference in "Le Pastie" when he says "heartless swines", for some reason i thought that was what Morissey sung in The Headmaster Ritual, it is, however, "spineless swines", which is nice alliteration but not quite heartless.

Talk of new singles has me at the edge my seat and falling out of bed, which hurts considerably more when there's an open jewel case at the bottom. Tigermilk, no less. 

Love
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From ceasetocare at xxx.com  Mon Feb 19 01:18:20 2001
From: ceasetocare at xxx.com (Megan Conniff)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 01:18:20 -0000
Subject: egRe: Sinister: megan ceasetocare from virginia (me)
Message-ID: <LAW2-F43qljWwY0VnkB00000dad@hotmail.com>

Yeah, I'm from Virginia, I didn't realise anyone else on the list was! My 
parents live in (and I guess that means I'm from) Springfield, Virginia, 
which is about 20 minutes away from DC. But right now I'm going to college 
in southern virginia, in Harrisonburg. My friend from Richmond told me all 
about Planet Nine! Oh, and there's a Planet Nine in Harrisonburg (of all 
places! we got electricity here only recently), but according to my friend, 
it's NOTHING like the Planet Nine in Richmond. All it sells is used country 
CD's and whatever 'big' band came to the university the previous year, foo 
fighters, vertical horizon, and so on.

Thanks for the tip though! I'll try to make it down to Richmond with my 
friend and get my hands on some of those Felt CD's.

love, megan
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From comixnerd at xxx.com  Mon Feb 19 02:42:50 2001
From: comixnerd at xxx.com (evan beusoleil)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:42:50 -0700
Subject: Sinister: it's social...demented and sad...but social.
Message-ID: <F193LiPbmHpFkfjIy6Y0000de60@hotmail.com>

greetings and salutations;
first i'll respond to things i have read:

Janitoria: i think Arab Strap would sing a song about shagging in a car 
wash.  well, sort of speak it, anyway.
Thrift Store Rob:  nice nickname, isn't it?  i just went to my fave thrift 
store down the street and got The Coolest Shirt On Earth.  it's white with 
brown embroidery, four pockets in front, pockets on each short sleeve (it's  
button down light cotton, i forgot to mention) and the buttons are little 
wooden tiki heads.  i want to get a scanner just so i can email a picture of 
this shirt to John Waters, for i think he would envy me for it.
Ruvi:  pretty girls make graves.
Pinefox:  Pynchonians are a bit too sophisticated for Salinger.  Perhaps 
people who read Salinger in youth graduated to Pynchon later and now slag 
him off in shame.  Catcher in the Rye is great in high school, and, for that 
matter, so is the Bell Jar.  any age where one is dissaffected even though 
they have all they need in the world is a good time for these authors.
of course, for me, my taste has changed in my old age, and i don't know what 
to make of it.  i went from bergman to waters in film, and camus to 
jacqueline susann.  okay, i do read more heady than susann, but i can't help 
but be charmed by work that crosses the line, that skirts the edge of taste, 
that's just...trash.  i love it.  it's like senor coconut doing kraftwerk, 
or yma sumac, or martin denny musically.  it's like tiki culture, which is 
making a comeback if it's the last thing i do.
gotta go. gotta watch desperate living one more time before it's due back at 
the video store...

-evan
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Mon Feb 19 10:56:59 2001
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:56:59 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Fumbled Crosses
Message-ID: <004601c09a63$212b4ea0$7a5c243e@itjfvkli>

Yes I know people can be entertained by Virginia Woolf and Syliva Plath, so
can I, I wasn't knocking them. Well, I was, but without good reason. I
recently read a book called "The Penguin Book of Twentieth-Century Essays"
in which VW takes the wooden spoon with "How It Strikes a Contemporary". But
somehow I struggled through it, only to find T.S. Eliot's "Tradition and the
Individual Talent" blocking my path. Edmund Wilson nearly finished me off
with "Philocetes: The Wound and the Bow". Each unto their own. I think this
stuff just reminds me of obligation. Either that or I can't get my head
round it. I liked most of the book though, Slyvia Plath fan Al Alvarez
pleasantly surprised me with "Risk" from GQ Magazine (not about the board
game). Joan Didion's in it, Lloyd Cole turned a whole generation on to Joan
Didion. It's a good book, the "Pillows and Prayers" of non-fiction*. "Time
of Arrival" by Dan Jacobson is my favourite, about a South African in
London.

I do like the ugly and stupid, as long as it's harmless, but I wouldn't say
I preferred it. For instance, I really like the subnormal Black Sabbath
roadie riffing on one of the Foxgloves' songs ("Second Hand"?), but not to
the exclusion of more delicate offerings, like the Welthorpe penned "Stop
the Bus I Want a Wee-Wee".

Am I right in thinking the next Papercuts will be out to coincide with ATP?

Goalmouth scrambles are virtually unheard of in Spain, it's all thirty-five
yard aerial benders. I want normal goals, and for spectacular goals to
remain special. I have a lot of faith in Real Sociedad.

Duke turns his attentions to Peacock Johnson this week. Not much to disagree
with this time, but a stimulating read nevertheless.

I bet Anthony Powell didn't do his own dusting.

Peter

*No it isn't, but it would be good if it was.

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From mod4real at xxx.com  Mon Feb 19 11:59:04 2001
From: mod4real at xxx.com (Chan Toby)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 03:59:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Now a Major Film 
Message-ID: <20010219115904.39395.qmail@web9207.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi dear, 

   This is  L I F E
  
   My L I F E

   No jobs/ No Lovers/ No Saving / No Energy/
   No Creativity/

   Listened to Tigermilk again lastnite.
   Wake up at 6PM, Sleep at 6AM.
   Everyday.

   Listen to Galaxie500 again and again.
   lovely bassline. 
   IMHO, Coldplay is NOT as good as JJ72.
   even though JJ72 is not good enough.

   UK music scene ven't have any NEW heros.
   So, Select magazine is closed. They can't
put Radiohead on every issue.

   Buena Vista Social Club has just performed in
Hong Kong, but i ve not money to buy the tix.
and... u know what, Deep Purple is going to Hong Kong.
  
   I hope Bob Dylan can play a gig in HK... I ll 
die for a tix.

   My latest movie watching:
   Buffalo 66 X 10000000times
   eXistenZ X 2 times
   Me, Myself and Irene..
   Ninth Gate 
   
   I often listen to Enimem now.
   He is a good MC, and He is clever.
   His music is not so good but entertaining.

   I like to MC-ing to it.
   Now i can MC the whole "Forgot About Dre"

   Fucking Hell.


   No More,
   TBY CHN

   
   
    

         


  

  

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From Stuart.Gardiner at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 19 13:53:28 2001
From: Stuart.Gardiner at xxx.uk (Gardiner, Stuart)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:53:28 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Like bikies who left all their beards at the door...
Message-ID: <03754DDCC645D311AA6700805F854E430277547E@lotus.ntu.ac.uk>

IMHO, Coldplay is NOT as good as having your teeth removed, one by one, by a
blind traffic warden, using a pneumatic drill. Or having your testicles
waxed by Anne Widdecombe.

Why are the British music press so obsessed with Coldplay / JJ72 /
Starsailor style suicide music at the moment?

Of course, you'd be much better off listening to The Whitlams instead. Think
great lyrics, great arrangements, and tunes to die for. Imagine Ben Folds
Five if they weren't slightly annoying. Imagine Mercury Rev without the
willful weirdness. Imagine The Divine Comedy at their smoothest moments if
they weren't so over-the-top. Oh, just buy it will you?


OK, time to discuss the serious B&S issue of the day. No, we don't care
where the tour's going to go, or what the new songs are going to be like.
The question on everyone's lips is: what colours are the covers going to be?
They must be starting to run out of ideas by now. My money's on puce.


Does anyone out there know of anywhere decent to live? I've been back in
Britain for 5 months now (since
http://science.ntu.ac.uk/msor/skg/travels.htm...), and I'm getting desperate
to leave again. Too many people, too little space, too unfriendly, no decent
scenery, and godawful weather. Time to emigrate. OK, so I'm going to be
living in Nottingham for the next 3 years, but there's no harm in planning
ahead is there?


Apparently, the average person in Britain has sex 110 times a year.
Someone's getting more than their fair share.

Big Stu
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From D.Foster-2 at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 19 16:44:30 2001
From: D.Foster-2 at xxx.uk (DAVID FOSTER)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:44:30 GMT
Subject: Sinister: embiggens and embiggens
Message-ID: <E14UtQR-0007JY-4A@tracy.csd.plymouth.ac.uk>

Hi all,

Heard a promo of the new Snow Patrol album the other day, and it is 
rather good to say the least. But, the exciting news is that we (me 
and man who runs record shop) are 95% sure that Stuart Murdoch sings 
on two tracks. Its either him, or its the Snow Patrol guy doing a 
bloody good impression. Maybe this is old news to you all and I have 
been skimming over posts a bit too much, but if it's not, yay!
Also, my record shop friend made me a tape of unreleased b & s stuff 
which is truly grate. LLPJ, IYFS and BWTAS live at the Bowlie 
weekender. Also a recording of them playing Loneliness of a..., and 
The Kids are Alright, and also playing Rhinestone Cowboy to the queue 
outside one of their gigs singing with a megaphone. Also two Isobel 
tracks in French, one of which (Evensong in french) is just 
wonderful.
So, that was rather a hefty chunk of content, though maybe of little 
interest.

I met a lovely Scottish girl last night, which down here in Devon is 
pretty damn rare. I immediatly fancied the pants off her, and became 
very excited when she said she would teach me the guitar. She isn't 
really familiar with b & s but I just know she'll love them. When I 
asked her what music she liked, she replied "this sounds a bit 
stupid, but....soul". My heart melted. But I have chickened out of 
going round there today, and I have to go to work now. She probably 
has a boyfriend anyway. Watch this space. If she goes out with me I 
will be an extremely happy boy!

Oh well. Time to go to work. Hope everyones happy clappy n snappy.

D. Foster

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From elenita99 at xxx.com  Mon Feb 19 17:23:21 2001
From: elenita99 at xxx.com (elenita99)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:23:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Seamonkeys are real alive pets.
Message-ID: <387825895.982603402304.JavaMail.root@web105-mc>

RELIEF
I thought Peter Miller was dead, leaving us a whole week without any post.
How do you expect me to survive then?

LONDON CALLING
So I went back to London and Mr Trousers took good care of me while I was
looking for a flat and I found the nicest house in Greenwich, it has got a
garden and a huuuge living and very nice flatmates (Mike I know you can read
this what were you expecting? ;) And I am as happy as a fish now.
Uni is still boring and I haven't got a job yet but it can't be all perfect.

LOCH NESS MONSTER
I went up to Scotland last week end and visited Glasgow. Glasgow is cold and
pretty, full of friendly Scottish people (well they sound friendly, I cant
really get what they say but I nod and smile and it's ok), and the drinks
are cheap. Carey and I had girlie pyjamas night in, lunch with Ally Cookie
and lots of fun (I know you are all jealous now). Also there are lots of men
wearing skirts, and THAT is nice.

HONEY LIVES IN A PINK AND SILVER CASTLE
Well I know better than you cos I went to Edinburgh to visit her. I had tea
and sweets and she was wearing the prettiest dress ever. It might be cool
being a princess. I know I will never be as classy and glamourous as
Princess Honey but you know, no one really can.

WEIRD PEOPLE
I am supposed to write a 50 pages research project for uni, so I have a
tutor who is supposed to help me and give me advice etc. So I went to see
him last week and he wanted to invite me for lunch, now he sends me an email
about some article, and ask me as a PS if I had a nice Valentine's day.
Should I tell him I was too busy trying to see my three lovers in the same
day? Mmm maybe not.

Have a good week
Elena xx


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From pinefox1 at xxx.com  Mon Feb 19 17:52:38 2001
From: pinefox1 at xxx.com (P F)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:52:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: It's too late now to die young
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That Virginian Ringwald fact was a corker. She was on
British TV last night. It was fairly 'explicit', I'm
afraid. Sixteen Candles fans really missed out. And
I'm a Sixteen Candles fan.

Miller mulled:

>>> Yes I know people can be entertained by Virginia
Woolf and Syliva Plath,

And it's true, the very thought of Plath's syliva
entertains me for hours.

It was deliberate? Oh, yes, I see.

>>> in which VW takes the wooden spoon with "How It
Strikes a Contemporary".

She would have to take it, wouldn't she, cos in that
famous essay about, ho-hum, 1910 she banged the drum,
nay, the saucepan lid, about how ONE'S COOK is not
what she was in the C19. eg: the cook now insists that
madame do some of the cooking. If that means taking a
wooden spoon, madame, so be it.

>>> But somehow I struggled through it, only to find
T.S. Eliot's "Tradition and the Individual Talent"
blocking my path.

Golly! But this sounds like one heck of a book.

Odd thing about that essay: the way he stops halfway
through (it was in the Egoist in 2 parts, I think)
having started on his scientific metaphor, then comes
back in the second half and says, 'Welcome back - and
we're joined at this point by listeners to the World
Service' - and adds, 'You may recall that I talked of
carbon monoxide blah blah... the meaning of my
metaphor was this'.

I could check these details, but to what end? I am
just too lazy to walk across the room for them right
now. The geezer Miller knows what I'm on about,
anyway.

Oh, OK. here he is:

'The analogy was that of the catalyst' - that's the
bit I find silly and fun. 'When the two gases
previously mentioned are mixed in the presence of a
filament of platinum, they form sulphurous acid. This
combination takes place only if the platinum is
present; nevertheless the newly formed acid contains
no trace of platinum, and the platinum itself is
apparently unaffected: has remained inert, neutral,
and unchanged. The mind of the poet is the shred of
platinum'.

(T.S. Eliot, Selected Essays, London: Faber: 1951,
p.18.)

I have only just noticed that he dedicated that volume
to Harriet Shaw Weaver, 'in gratitude, and in
recognition of her services to English Letters'.
That makes me think. For TSE to dedicate his Selected
Essays (and this is a big tome we're talking about,
with many of his greatest thoughts in it) to a
Communist lady - that was sweet.

Maybe if I ever get to publish a Selected Essays, I
should make a point of dedicating it to Harriet
Wheeler, in gratitude, and in recognition of her
services to English records.

It's a good thing, by the way, that Steady Mike is off
discussing old TV programmes in that Alaskan pipeline
of his. If he was around he'd undoubtedly tear a strip
off TSE's pseudo-scientific platinum jargon.

I quite like that essay, really. It once struck me
that the best way of understanding it was to think
about 69 Love Songs. No wonder Miller doesn't dig it.

>>> Edmund Wilson nearly finished me off with
"Philocetes: The Wound and the Bow". Each unto
their own.

I have never read that one, but I love Wilson all the
same. Axel's Castle is enough. But there's a fine
essay on James, a staggeringly knowledgeable one on
Shaw, an original and pioneering one on 'Flaubert's
Politics' - this all in The Triple Thinkers, I think.

Gosh - I love being on The Official Edmund Wilson &
Lionel Trilling Mailing List.

>>> Slyvia Plath fan

That's a good one too. SP has surely never been
mentioned as much before on sinister in a single week.
I think it's all a cunning advertising plan by La
Welthorpe. He'll, I mean, she'll, have us hotly
debating PAUL MORLEY next.

That reminds me: 'I Love 1984'. Morley was good value
for money, I thought. Especially when dissing Robert
Elms and the Modfather. I thought that was the best
episode yet. Anyone else?

>>> Joan Didion's in it, Lloyd Cole turned a
whole generation on to Joan Didion.

There's no doubt about it.

Dan Wakefield (see previous e-mail - I think it may
have been 'We Don't Need No Piece Of Paper From The
City Hall') turned on the whole previous generation to
Joan Didion. Or did he just turn on to, or even into,
Joan Didion? I mean, Joan's not been seen around for a
while. Hasn't posted for yonks.

>>> For instance, I really like the subnormal Black
Sabbath roadie riffing on one of the Foxgloves' songs
("Second Hand"?),

treasurable.

>>> but not to the exclusion of more delicate
offerings, like the Welthorpe penned "Stop
the Bus I Want a Wee-Wee".

outstanding.


You, I mean. Not us or anything.

>>> Am I right in thinking the next Papercuts will be
out to coincide with ATP?

Yes - ATP 2002. And there'll be another one along in
the summer of 2010, to coincide with the rerelease of
the film of Arthur Clarke's novel.
 
>>> it's all thirty-five yard aerial benders.

That's what I heard.

>>> I bet Anthony Powell didn't do his own dusting.

No. He had to write, or thought he did. Some have
disagreed.

Best recent thing on Powell: Michael Wood in the LRB.

It's grate being on the Michael Wood Mailing List.


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From Nigel.R.Townshend at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 19 19:13:21 2001
From: Nigel.R.Townshend at xxx.uk (Nigel R. Townshend)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:13:21 +0000
Subject: Sinister: madge bishop was laying eggs
Message-ID: <fc.005b8ff100b148c0005b8ff100b148c0.b1858c@amazon.shu.ac.uk>

Chuffing eck! #78 on books thats seventy eight pounds on books chuffing eck sorry i'm exhausted
from spending this vast amount eeeeeeeeee i don't know eh?

Well Yes i had dream about billy bragg he was due to play after the sheffield united football match
but as he got on stage all the strings on his guitar broke so i got up and sang a song made up on
the spot he told me that he started playing guitar and writing songs by wandering up and down
queues outside night clubs singing songs he made up on the spot too, he said he thought i was
great. which was nice becuase i'd been having nasty dreams where i would die, not to mention the
madge bishop trilogy, actually i will mention the madge bishop triliogy. 

I came home one day and madge bishop was laying eggs on the kitchen table. in a second dream she
was sat on the bus in front of me and her eyes exploded throwing thousands of tiny spiders all over
my face and in the third ocassion she was spinning plates as part of a festival i was organising
where belle and seb headlined.

i have a new lecturer who is more boot camp srgt. than teacher the man barks information at us for
an hour it scares me into learning research methods it really does.

i went to the 2001 pop a go go festival on Saturday it was dead good, Airport Girl, MJ Hibbert,
Velodrome 2000, Big Eyes. it was dead dead good i think people on this list would all love Big Eyes
very much, and if i could remember the website address i would tell you all but i can't so i won't.
but if you see one of thier records buy it, they're on Pickled egg records.

Anyway Rawk music calls for it is the corpartion Skate, punk ska night this evening, vodka orange
50 pence.....ermmmmmm..... vodka orange.......


Nigel Love
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From megatherion5 at xxx.com  Mon Feb 19 20:46:09 2001
From: megatherion5 at xxx.com (Jason McKinnon)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 12:46:09 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Can you hear this / Or should I / Turn it up?
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Pinefox smiled and said:

 >>> Who is the person who said something like the
response to a work of art should be a work of art?

 >>>Many have said things like this. Some of them have
been 'artists'. (can you believe i put THOSE greater than signs on myself??)

Too true, but two truths don't make a left.


 >>> What were his exact words?

Written down from his own memories into a series of symbols and connotations 
that we call language?


>>>Here's Ezra Pound in sunny June 1922:

>>>The best criticism of any work, to my mind the only
>>>criticism of any work of art that is of permanent or
>>>even moderately durable value, comes from the creative
>>>writer or artist who does the next job; and *not*, not
>>>ever from the young gentlemen who make generalities
>>>about the creator. Laforgue's Salom� is the real
>>>criticism of Salammbo; Joyce and perhaps Henry James
>>>are critics of Flaubert.

Gotta love the man that first made the Afro and sideburns look popular.

AUSTIN ALLEGRO

 >>> And the correspondence between words and things in
>>>the world is imperfect.

>>>That depends on what kind of thing you think words
>>>are, and what kind of work you think they do, and who
>>>(human beings vs god, for instance) put them to that
>>>work. In a sense my view on this is: there is no
>>>extra-linguistic way of knowing about the shortcomings
>>>of words in 'corresponding' to things; so to talk
>>>about imperfect correspondence may be a wrong turn.

You are going about it from the wrong end. THe orignal thought (thought1) 
resides within a person...that's the purest form of that thought. When we 
try to communicate that thought in the many forms of communication it 
becomes garbled by:

A) our ability to comunicate
B)the person's ability to negate who they are and listen
c) the resulting synergy thereof

>>>Believe it or not, I once tried to stick something on
>>>this issue on the 'internet'. But the correspondence
>>>between my intentions and the effects of the
>>>electronic world was most imperfect.

PineFox, I do believe you have the same twisted sense of humor as I do. 
Seems like you'd like to agree with us...but for the sake of argument.....  
:)

 >>> It would be useful to talk about something on its
own terms, but what are these terms?

>>>I think that's a relevant question. 'Conversation' is
>>>a helpful image again: a dialogue between the terms
>>>that we take an object to provide, and the terms we
>>>(unavoidably) bring to it. We can try, maybe, to keep
>>>the conversation polite and respectful, and hope that
>>>the two sets of terms will learn from each other;
>>>although in some cases (avant-garde art; political
>>>criticism) that may not be the point.

Conversation is a good word, but communication is better. All of the things 
we do on this planet involve it. I know that at this moment 
"pure"communication is inpossible. That's communication where there is no 
him or you, only it.

And HEGEL says.."wait! that's not what I meant!"



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From banchorymerchandise.uk at xxx.net  Tue Feb 20 11:16:31 2001
From: banchorymerchandise.uk at xxx.net (Katrina House)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:16:31 -0000
Subject: Sinister: b&s stuff
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hello,

i have some belle & sebastian test pressings which i am looking to sell. for
more info, please mail me off the list.

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From shop at xxx.net  Tue Feb 20 10:54:58 2001
From: shop at xxx.net (Katrina House)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:54:58 -0000
Subject: Sinister: b&s stuff
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hello,

i have some belle & sebastian test pressings which i am looking to sell.
for more info, please mail me off the list.

cheers,
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From j.botterman at xxx.uk  Tue Feb 20 12:11:51 2001
From: j.botterman at xxx.uk (Jon Botterman)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:11:51 +0000
Subject: Sinister: What is Hibernaculum anyway?
Message-ID: <3A925F06.6AB6BF0A@rave.ac.uk>

Hello gentle reader

    Just wading through the stack of sinister e-mails and I notice a
whole discussion a rhumblin' on about Sylvia Plath and I thought I'd
stick my oar in. I had a brief encounter with her poetry a few years
ago. Recommended to me by a friend I read a selection of her poetry, but
before long I realised it was one  of those things that you're supposed
to read and think about. Analyse it maybe and then finally "get" it. I
couldn't be bothered so I decided to read them as if she was just a kind
old lady who kept bees and had a big dog. Looked at in this way, her
poems are delightfully whimsical and perhaps suggest she was a fan of
early British wrestling. She went to the hospital for a hip replacement
but she didn't like the atmosphere there. Everyone so miserable and the
cold draughts weren't fixed when she told the nurses. I saw my friend a
few weeks later but he told me that I just didn't get her work. "Ah", I
said, "maybe it is you who doesn't understand, do you see, do you, do
you, do you, do you? Ah!". He never recommended any more poetry to me.
Personally I like John Hegley. He makes me laugh on the bus.
    I told myself that I'd have some B+S content for this e-mail so I'll
just mention them hear at the end. Have you heard them? they're really
quite good you know. Got a good beat.

Thanks for your time and think of me always,

Jon.

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From koendcr at xxx.com  Tue Feb 20 12:21:51 2001
From: koendcr at xxx.com (Koen De Crock)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:21:51 -0000
Subject: Sinister: A bad day, smoking too many cigarettes and ...
Message-ID: <F2243oryKFRJrzdDW6l0000940b@hotmail.com>



It's been a bad day for me. Got up at around six thirty (aaaaaaaaargh) 
because some construction workers at the other side of the street started 
making a hell of a lot of noise and I could not sleep anymore and I had to 
go to work anyway. Almost stumbled down the stairs with my sleepy bedhead. 
Spilled some hot coffee on my new shirt, which actually is not a cool shirt 
at all because my employer won't allow me to wear cool shirts, only the kind 
of shirts that people who work in a bank will wear, and.... I work in a 
bank. Got caught taking the metro without having bought a ticket, which will 
cost me around 50 $, which I won't pay because actually i didn't have enough 
change to buy a ticket from the machine  and the machine wouldn't accept any 
bills, so I was not able to buy  a ticket. Arrived at my job only to realise 
that I had twenty things to do before ten o clock and since it was already 
nine o clock I would never make it and I got nervous and consequently made 
some mistakes so the clients are mad at me because... well... because of 
what??

Tonight I'm gonna read some more of Franz Kafka's "Das Prozess", one fine 
book if you ask me. Unlike anything ever written. If someone wants to 
discuss it with me, go ahead... don't be afraid. Anyway, I'm still stuck at 
around page fourteen because I drink too much at night at the bar I go to 
two or three times a week and if I'm not there I will watch a movie or visit 
some friends and have a discussion till four in the morning drinking a 
bottle of wine, cheap wine mostly, so the next day I have a headache and 
stupid things will happen to me again. So, you see, I'm not an expert 
either.

Listened to Godspeed You Black Emperor's "#F#Ainfinity" again last night 
only to realise that it's an absolute classic, a masterpiece beyond compare. 
Strings, guitars, Dialogues, Samples, pounding drums, trains rolling by, 
mourning voices, bagpipes, trumpet, sadness, happiness, Ennio Morricone, 
Sonic Youth, whatever.... everyone should own this.... go out and buy the 
damn thing. And... while you're at it, buying CD's, I mean, buy Tarentel's 
debut EP or their "From Bone to Satellite" album - grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat 
sounscapes filled with ambient noises, soothing guitar lines and beautiful 
drumming. Also, go out and buy Low's "Tnings we lost in the fire", the most 
beautiful pop album of the year, or the decade, or the century, or the 
millenium, or anything you want... It's all the same. And... don't start 
laughing, because it is.... 2001 is the start of a new decade, century, 
millenium... Anyway, enough of that... if you have some money left, which I 
don't, buy the new Japancakes and the new Tortoise album and the latest 
Sigur Ros album and Radioheads album and anything by Nick Drake.... If you 
don't have any money left, buy them with your credit card
	or your sisters credit card, or even better....
						steal them.
Oh, and please can the people from Virginia USA ... or anybody.... tell me 
where I can find any albums by Felt. It seems like all their albums have 
disappeared from the earth like all my former girlfriends did.... Contact 
me... I tried three different internet shops but they all said the same, 
"we're sorry that we included this record in our catalogue. It's out of 
print" If you can and you want to... send me a tape. I'll reward you with 
some pretty nice mixtapes I make myself.

Have to go now, because work is piling up again on my desk.

Cold chocolate is also very yummy

K-man the third from the third planet from the sun in a little country 
called Belgium where it always rains and the sun never shines except today 
and the weather is cold which actually freaks me out because I like warm 
weather and etc etc.... but I like it here because the girls are beautiful, 
the beer is strong, you can find your b&s albums quite easily and pubs are 
open till six in the morning

Post U soon, too much love will kill you, too much hate will do the same, 
too many cigarettes too, but they taste oh so good....

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From Gpallis at xxx.uk  Tue Feb 20 18:13:49 2001
From: Gpallis at xxx.uk (The Boy G)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:13:49 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Tonight Matthew, I'm going to be all of S Club 7.
Message-ID: <001f01c09b68$e0250340$09e67ad5@oemcomputer>

Hey all. You're not armadillos and you never will be. Clean your teeth. Keep
your hands to yourself. Careful with that axe, Eugene.

Anyways, enough about you, lets talk about me. Greg. Greg Pallis, the boy G,
whatever. Bubba, if it makes you happy. I dyed my hair yesterday, and
it's now a lovely comic-book-good-guy sorta golden colour. And you know
what? Final Fantasy Nine is going to be shit, just like every other one of
the Final Fantasy games, which, lets face it, have the depth and complexity
of the average Papa Roach song. I mean, yes, pretty graphics and all, but
can anyone really be bothered with unskippable 2 minute plus cutscenes just
to cast a bloody spell? I think not. Go on then, send me an e-mail telling
me how you cried when Aerith died, and I'll laugh in your face and tell to
play Planescape: Torment or Loom and /then/ talk about poignant pixelage.
Also, Playstation Two is a far worse system than the Sega Dreamcast. Fact.

Actually Sini isn't that geeky really, so most people will probably not be
offended by that at all. So I'll inform you that I truly, honestly,
genuinely believe that the three best singles of the noughties so far were,
in ascending order, Supreme by Robbie Williams, Every Time You Need Me by
Fragma and Teenage Dirtbag by Wheatus. 'Cos I'm that pop.

Hum, this has gone a bit queeny here, hasn't it? Lets say some nice things:

1) Stevey Kado, many many thanks for the No Logo e-mail, and sorry for not
replying. Agree with most of what you said, and also gave printout thereof
to teacher as part of "what do contempories think of Naomi Klein" homework.
Again, thanks.

2) Stuart Gardinier said: "IMHO, Coldplay is NOT as good as having your
teeth removed, one by one, by a blind traffic warden, using a pneumatic
drill.". And I laughed, and laughed. Thing is, I'm sure I felt only mild
ambivalence towards Coldplay back when they were indie squibs the NME liked.
Funny thing, this music lark.

3) B&S release things and tour soon. I approve heartily.

4) Erica said "Download Ain't 2 Proud 2 Beg by TLC". I did. It is fantastic.

5) Baxendale are nice people too. You can now get some obscure Baxmp3s from
"Baxster" at musicforgirls.co.uk, a good thing, obviously. You can also get
a free e-mail address at baxendale.co.uk, which is very neat.

6) I want a rodent, so I can call it "Grozny Papa". No reason.

7) List people, I give good, impartial advice. Go to a Library a get
Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace. It will not cost you money to do
this, and you will get an unbelievably fab book as a result of this
transaction. Seriously. Do this. Really. Yes. Today. Please.

Did you know, if it's Monday, and you're in London, instead of going to
Trash like a good citizen, you can go to a place called "Bubblicious" at the
Camden Underworld? You have to queue for 75 minutes or so, and it's full of
sixteen-year-old public school rudeboys (So that'll have been me eight
months ago, then) with Fake NUS card IDs, and the sort of fifteen-year-old
girls who wear Playboy T-Shirts. If you're Greg and don't have any ID, you
can get in by using flirty body language on the doormen. If you are my
friend Nat (and thus wearing a cardigan, as in, an actual cardigan), you'll
get bounced out even though you've actually brought ID, which is quite
funny. Once inside, they will play eighties shit "to be ironic". Ben Sherman
shirts and boob tubes. Adidas Tracksuits. Then they played "Not that
innocent" and I leapt onto the dancefloor and lost it completely, doing the
whole Britney video dance thing, and making up the about 90% that I couldn't
remember. About three quarters of the way through I noticed there was this
big circle, like literarily twenty foot diameter, around me of people
looking and clapping and cheering me on, and I became very afraid and ran
off. It was quite good, actually. They played 'Pop ya Collar' by Usher, too.

Assuming I wouldn't be caught, I'd much rather shoot someone than pull the
wings off a fly. Apparently, this is unusual. I don't really know why that
should be so, but then it might be to do with the fact that I'm staggeringly
self-centred, and most people aren't. And vain. And shallow. I was trying to
explain the work experience counsellor the other day that all I cared about
was that my future job be considered "cool", and I wasn't at all interested
in money /or/ job satisfaction, and I think I confused her snotty dichotamy
system, 'cos she stormed off in a huff. Yeah, I'm just a teenage dirtbag,
baby.

Say what you like, though, seventeen is a great age for silly little
narcisstic boys. There was I, in this shitty little Camden venue, chatting
away with Alice Cave, she of the B. D. B. W. A. H. K. B. H. T. L. G. M. A.
S. D. P. R (Badly Dressed Boys Who Aren't Hard Kids Because, Hey, They Like
Guitar Music And Smoke Draw! Punk Rock!) clique, an ex-goth and still a blur
of make-up but actually the most fancied girl in the year, for the first
time (her BDBWA...etc boyfriend being away, or dumped, whatever), and she
gets all flirty and asks me to massage her back. And I'm like, okay, and so
I do for about ten minutes, which is frankly dull, and she keeps saying how
well I'm doing it and everything, but the thing is, we both know it means
nothing. And I know she'll go to all her friends afterwards, and say how
she's so good at flirting, and can get some random guy to give her a proper
massage just like that, and by the way, Greg's shit at massaging. And she
knows I'll go to my friends afterwards, and say hey, I just spent ages
groping Alice Cave's upper back. And everybody's happy. Yeah, I'm just a
teenage dirtbag baby, like you. Yes, you.

There's a forthcoming U.S. high-school movie version of Othello called "O."
coming out soon, and I suddenly thought that it would be far, far more
realistic if instead of making "O." and (I presume) "D." different races,
they just put them in different cliques. Cheerleader and nerd, perhaps, with
her jock friends unable to accept she'd chosen some C++ programmer instead
of "R.", the perhaps slightly uncool but still far more acceptable punter
for the "Enfield Academy Halations", the school football team. That's not an
Orin reference, by the way. Hum, that could actually work.

Wow, how long is this post? Am I your list crush yet? Go on...

People have been mentioning Sylvia Plath. Fair enough. I've never read any
Sylvia Plath at all, except one poem called which was called something like
"Box" and had bees in it. It was quite good. I don't rate poetry at all
though, I'm one of those horrendously boring people who simply can't see the
point in deliberately limiting your own writing. Oh, I recognize there's
such a thing as very good poetry, but it's like, imagine this crazy Japanese
guy who devotes his whole life to writing one perfect haiku, and he does.
Now that's gonna be one top clusterfucking haiku, let me tell you. But will
it be as good as Infinite Jest, say? No, because I'm not interested in
extent of mastery of a form, I'm interested in the effect it has on me. But,
you know, whatever. I'm getting a digital camera next week, so I say to you
all "Torso! Feet! Irish things!". You know you're hip when you refer to a
post that predates you subbing to sinister.

And now... Friday night TV! It's top! Fucking TOP! Spaced at 11.20 (new
series soon, at last), then Buffy right after that finishes, and then Robot
Wars, which is the official best program in TV history, especially when
Hypnodisk is on, making the other 'bots spew mechanical guts. Oh, you
wouldn't understand. You're just a bunch of gurls.

I ain't 2 proud 2 beg...
    Greg.

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From dairy_fairy at xxx.com  Tue Feb 20 19:00:07 2001
From: dairy_fairy at xxx.com (Dairy Fairy)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:00:07  0000
Subject: Sinister: Lychees feel similar to leeches
Message-ID: <CDLHDLAABAPNCAAA@angelfire.com>

heidi hi,
Today is the second day of my half term. and this time last week  i was all full of ideas of things to do during my week off. now, i cannot think of much to do. that mostly worries me because isn't there a phrase like ' if you're bored, you're boring'. I think i must just be recovering from the stress that a/s levels are throwing at me. Honestly, i am not designed to do 4 subjects. Bloody government.

Actually I'm not that bored. It's just that i don't have much money, so all my activities have to be the free ones, and they are so much easier to do when it is sunny. 
I made a tray of ginger biscuits this morning.
There is something very lovely about ginger biscuits. 
Particularly when eaten with chopped up bananas. Try it. You might just enjoy yourself.

Ooh i hope that the mutterings about b+s doing something are true. It's not that i think that they've been sitting around doing nothing. They clearly haven't, because every time I go into my local record store i see c.ds with 'featuring members of belle and sebastian' stickers on them. It's just that they sound their most loveliest when they're all together. 

I am going to see arab strap this friday. Which should be very good. Although not necessarily a gig to cheer myself up with. Aidan Moffat never seems very happy, despite the fact that the content of his songs would suggest he's having an awful lot of sex. which is always nice. ooh, all smutty, but there's not really any other way to be when you're going to see arab strap. hmm.
anyway, that's quite enough of that,
dairy fairy

And she spent the rest of the day separating the bits from the marmalade, or, if you prefer, the marmalade from the bits.

 


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From megatherion5 at xxx.com  Tue Feb 20 19:15:24 2001
From: megatherion5 at xxx.com (Jason McKinnon)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:15:24 -0800
Subject: Sinister: I could be dreaming, but I'm working instead.
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Belle And Sebastian : Murdoch And The Use Of Irony

By Jason McKinnon

Stuart Murdoch was a powerful contributor to the late 17th century literary 
tradition. Unfortunately, Belle And Sebastian is absolutely clearly 
brainless in terms of Murdoch's usual Minimalist politics. Below, I will 
show that most Modernist critics are wrong about Murdoch's use of coming of 
age. Support for this claim is present in the following: (a) Murdoch's 
brilliant role in the pre conservative school, (b) the conservative views of 
Belle And Sebastian's protagonist, David Maxwell, and (c) the author's use 
of the prison.

First, Belle And Sebastian is definitely a monumental work. Belle And 
Sebastian is not so much roman a clef per se as it is Murdoch's most 
heart-felt exegesis of love. Clearly, Murdoch meant this as a critique of 
sexual identity; Nick Adams is a surprisingly drug-influenced character.

Pathos is not Belle And Sebastian's only theme; there is also pure religion. 
It's quite obvious that Murdoch's will to live was tenuous at best by the 
time Belle And Sebastian was completed. Critics of Murdoch's work often 
overlook this aspect; Murdoch's point here is clear: immortality and love 
are one and the same.


She looked to the bleak horizon. He was ready for any unforeseen event. 
There was hope in her eyes; in his, hope of a different kind. He drank the 
coffee. Down by the river, there was much mud and much water to drink. He 
was ready for any unforeseen event. (Murdoch 93)
Murdoch's quest for immortality couldn't be more forceful; still, truer 
words have never been uttered, at least not by me.
These themes are most evident in opening monologue of Belle And Sebastian, 
for that is when Murdoch's often pandering prose shines most brightly. Many 
concerned teens see the book's latter half as the most influential; I, 
however, do not. Developments in the opening monologue are often cited as 
evidence; nonetheless, we must be careful in making assumptions.

Belle And Sebastian is, like all of Murdoch's great works, a triumph over 
the political commentary of the human condition. As you can imagine, 
feminists took to the streets after the book's first publication. This 
reasoning differs radically from traditional theories of the 16th century 
renaissance of American literature.


First, the subversive undertones motif in Belle And Sebastian was not 
original with Murdoch. Consider this famous quote by Robert Frost: "Down by 
the river, there was much mud and much water to drink." Though these words 
have a Constructivist quality, they also reveal search for reason. Wars have 
been fought over less. Critics of Murdoch's work often overlook this aspect; 
as pure bildungsroman, Belle And Sebastian was assailed for such statements. 
This begs the question: why?

Wilderness is not Belle And Sebastian's only theme; there is also pure 
salvation. As you can imagine, students took to the streets after the book's 
first publication. Parts of the book's final paragraph are often cited as 
evidence.


It was a terrible week in France. His face was bright as he looked at her. 
The whiskey tasted good to the man. He sat in the chair. It was late at 
night when the old man died. Oh! How beautiful a sunrise can be!. (Murdoch 
88)
Yet again, Belle And Sebastian's discordant amalgam of dystopic 
future-vision and loss of innocence couldn't be more compelling; though 
these words have a Symbolist quality, they also reveal search for truth.
Murdoch's under-class sympathies are evident in Belle And Sebastian. While 
this fact allays most of Murdoch's expatriot detractors, it has led a 
certain Christian critic-- the execrable T. S. Eliot --to proclaim " Belle 
And Sebastian's discordant amalgam of loss of innocence and nature couldn't 
be more forceful." This all but proves my thesis, especially when Murdoch's 
portrayal of pathos in the book is taken into account.

The lingering line of Belle And Sebastian is, "He drank the coffee." 
(Murdoch 89) To conclude from this that my argument is true is... trivial. 
Of course, like all great works, Belle And Sebastian has its flaws! 
Probably, Murdoch meant this as a critique of sexual identity.


Consider that Belle And Sebastian was not so much written by Murdoch as 
belched forth in a fit of sublime inspiration. In the twelfth chapter the 
reader is presented with a paradox: though the characters seem unable to 
escape human nature, they are simultaneously drug-influenced and powerful. 
Parts of the book's twelfth chapter are often cited as evidence.

Murdoch's will to live is truly evident in Belle And Sebastian. As such, the 
words of the character Nick Sawyer ring true: "Autumn is the finest, and 
third, season." As pure autobiography, Belle And Sebastian was assailed for 
such statements; that's the expatriot assumption, at least.


There was hope in her eyes; in his, hope of a different kind. The game was 
up. Surely, fate was with them. His sadness was deep, as if it wouldn't end. 
The man doffed his nice hat. Life offered nothing but fear itself. (Murdoch 
88)
In just a few words, the Christian movement was left in shambles; still, in 
some circles, this caused revolution; in others, revulsion.
Lines like "He was ready for any unforeseen event," have made Belle And 
Sebastian required reading for the Christian student. Belle And Sebastian's 
portrayal of farce is in keeping with its Dadaist point-of-view. Some of 
Murdoch's best-loved writing is in Belle And Sebastian.

Realize that Murdoch had lost his motivation just before completing Belle 
And Sebastian. While most other British authors conceived of their 
characters as pre Colonialist symbols, Murdoch's lusted for real truth! It 
is no great feat to realize Murdoch has written himself into a corner here!


Critics are dead wrong when they cite Belle And Sebastian as an example of 
Murdoch's dwindling ability. Murdoch's quest for salvation in his later 
books supports this conclusion. Some of Murdoch's best writing is in Belle 
And Sebastian.

Consider this passage: "Her eyes were blue like sapphires." (Murdoch 89) The 
contemplation of this passage is beyond me. To indicate that King Lewis is 
the work's villain, the author makes his dialogue half-baked. This becomes 
obvious only when one considers the book's famous line, "Her eyes were blue 
like sapphires." (Murdoch 118)


I couldn't believe it. It was late at night when the old man died. Unheard, 
I cried. Tuesday was a the bleakest day for the Parkers. My ideology is 
quite obvious. He sat in the chair. (Murdoch 84)
One can see that pathos is right around the corner; still, truer words have 
never been uttered, at least not by me.
The protagonist's life is dominated by hope, and the character of Tom 
Caulfield is ponderous as a smybol of bathos. It should be obvious that 
Murdoch was never driven purely by the reality paradigm. Ishmael Caulfield 
is a ponderous character for this very reason; Benvolio Daniel is a far from 
marginal character; in fact, it is through him that many of Murdoch's 18th 
century influences show through.

Finally, the dystopic future-vision motif in Belle And Sebastian was not 
original with Murdoch. Consider this famous quote by Shakespeare: "Autumn is 
the finest, and third, season." Tragedy and political commentary come to 
bear here like never before. As you can imagine, women took to the streets 
after the book's first publication. This reasoning differs radically from 
traditional theories of the conservative school of American literature.


Belle And Sebastian should be required reading for all expatriots. While 
other works influenced by the pre conservative school are frequently 
forgotten, Belle And Sebastian remains brilliant. Though famous for 
portrayals of wilderness in other works, Murdoch will always be loved for 
his powerful exploration of revolution in this book. Join me in appreciating 
it.



The End



This ridiculously silly paper was generated by this online thingy-ma-bob 
that creates a paper from a few items of fact.

http://toy.thespark.com/paper_writer/paper.cgi

I thought it was funny when I entered Stuart and B&S.

PP


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From littleblackfox at xxx.com  Tue Feb 20 19:29:45 2001
From: littleblackfox at xxx.com (Jules Markham)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:29:45 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Tom waits kazoo's
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Hi cardie-ac's,
a lovely sinisterine called Kim surprised me today with a fistful of kazoo's 
in the post (thanks babe! I'll send you some goodies soon!) I've been trying 
to play the intro to 'me and the major' on one, but I tend to hyperventilate 
and risk blackouts before I'm anywhere near done! On the plus side, I can do 
a cracking rendition of 'november' by tom waits!
I also got a darth maul head in the post. the top of his skull comes off 
(kind of like in 'hannibal') and it's hollow, so you can put stuff in it. 
I've no idea what though, maybe the kazoo's....

jules
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From pinefox1 at xxx.com  Tue Feb 20 21:08:29 2001
From: pinefox1 at xxx.com (P F)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:08:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: It was half-past February
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Robert McTaggart wrote:

>>> It's Friday morning, the sun is shining

and I wonder how happy he was. I mean, he sounds
happy. What I mean is, to hear someone back there in
the pink mists sounding so happy - so open to a day's
freshness - almost makes *me* happy.

And think also of his youth.

Robert and his youth.

>>> and I'm preparing myself spiritually and mentally
for a weekend of Scottish country dancing

gosh. Maybe he wasn't happy after all. That was a
misreading on my part.

>>> (can anyone remember the steps to 'Bonnie Prince
Charlie's Hornpipe'?)

No. But I did hear someone talking about Scottish
dancing only 2 hours ago.

>>> I remember my English teacher coming into the room
on the first day of term and saying "Spring is here -
the time when Young McTaggart chases after young girls
and sticks his claymore into them". He was a strange
man, but a great influence.

Between you and me, that sounds like a puff. I mean, I
think he's giving himself a puff there, under the
guise of self-deprecation. I must ask him how he does
it.

>>> So I'm listening to 'The Hit Power of the
Exciters' 

Hang on, was this a PJ Miller post?

No.

>>> The cats are fighting like mad fools and the fur
is a-flyin'. And I'm officially 'working from home'.
Quelle belle vie!

I was right first time. He was happy after all.

>>> I must say how disappointed I was to miss Stuart
'Rupert' Murdoch on IRC yesterday. That Stu-d is
slippery as an eel.

Blige, that makes me think.

>>> Rod Begbie wrote:

There you go - I thought that Mark Casarotto had
invented Rod Begbie. Like Bob Mould, he didn't.

>>> Of course, over the atlantic, the merkins refer to
a scone as a biscuit, a biscuit as a cookie, and a bar
as a candy.

I don't know that the Yanks call scones biscuits. No
evidence I can recall. Cookie, candy, OK.

>>> have Jesse Garon and the Desperados been mentioned
yet? For about six months in the mid-eighties they
were the loveliest thing on the planet.

Actually, this is true. I checked. The months in
question were

October 1984
January 1985
mid-March-mid-April 1985
December 1985
March 1986
September 1986

'snowinsumr' is a Cure fan. How do I know? Cos 'Snow
In Summer' was a Cure B-side in 1987, and cos she
(she?) signs her(?)self ms elise.

And yet she says:

>>> i believe that the smith's "there is a light that
never goes out" is the perfect song...everytime i hear
it i can feel my body tense and the whole world melts
into this amazing dream...usually this is intensified
by massive tears and the shaken hands grasping for a
steadier...

I don't know what we can add to that.

>>> i suppose a nice sensitive boy is what i want...

Oh! There must be some kids out there on sinister now
for you.

>>> sensitive with at least a tenth of the sexual
politics that jarvis cocker has...

I'm not convinced.

invisible boy wrote:

>>> Believe it or not, it's taken the whole of IYFS
and three cans of stella for me to write this. Cripes,
and still loads of spelling mistakes.

That's why, silly!

Ally96Cook said:

>>>


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From FearOfPop7 at xxx.com  Tue Feb 20 23:07:35 2001
From: FearOfPop7 at xxx.com (FearOfPop7 at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:07:35 EST
Subject: Sinister: an innocuous post
Message-ID: <3d.7b61c89.27c452b7@aol.com>

hello all....there is no real reason for this post. well, there is one 
purpose.  that is to see if i can actually get through to the list, for when 
i really have something to post i cannot get it to the list because of some 
incompatiblity betweeen my server and the list.  
so i guess this is a test.
well ive thought of one thing i can mention: the steve malkmus cd is quite 
excellent...it's almost like a new pavement album but just different enough 
to make mr. malkmus a musical force on his own right.
oh yeah, and radiohead will be playing in the east after i come back from 
europe so yippie! for me.
that's all. goodnight.

-chris
"the absurd is the essential concept and the first truth"
albert camus
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From MIWinship at xxx.com  Wed Feb 21 00:48:44 2001
From: MIWinship at xxx.com (MIWinship at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:48:44 EST
Subject: Sinister: I want to be your canary
Message-ID: <31.10ba4c45.27c46a6c@aol.com>

These things, you'll find, currently irritate my mind:

FAVOURITE TV CHARACTERS

I had a look at the nominations for yet another Channel 4 "100 best ever", 
cheap saturday night nostalgia programmes and whilst most of the selections 
were reasonable and/or predictable it got me thinking about the ones they 
could have had. eg. There was Mrs Peel but no Steed, Napoleon Solo but no 
Ilya Kuryakin, the Fonz but no Ralf Malf.... the list goes on. Most glaring 
omission: where was Agent Cooper? (Or Albert Rosenfield?)

COMPUTER GAMES

Final Fantasy 9 will be GRATE. Just like all the others. I've only 
experienced an hour or so, but new card games, moogles and chocobos will 
obsess me for the forseeable future. I know nothing of "Planescape: Torment 
or Loom", whatever that/they is/are. I do know that I would rather sit 
through a two minute summon spell animation than two seconds of Robot Wars, 
anyday.

NEW ALBUMS

Mr Malkmus makes me smile. The sample of Yul Brynner at the start of Jo Jo's 
Jacket made for ideal haircutting accompaniment, today. Not as short as the 
King of Siam's, but nearly.
Tortoise. They're good. 

POETRY

Can't say I've been paying much attention to all the recent discussions, but 
there's this one poem on the tube that I've seen a few times now and I can't 
decide if it's any good. Erm, I think the first line goes "Last night I saw 
creation". Can't remember who wrote it either, but other London Sinisterines 
can now have fun trying to find it and give their opinion. There was 
something about a ring, too. And planets. And light.

BELLE and SEBASTIAN

Likeliness of 2001 Troubled Teenagers coinciding with new releases? High.

PAUL VERHOEVEN

So, I thought I'd watch Showgirls and see what the fuss was about. It was 
nearly so-bad-it's-good, but was actually just bad. Kyle MacLachlan just 
isn't a good villain (unless he's posessed by Bob). Furthermore it meant I 
missed the start of Hard Eight on the other side, which was excellent. What I 
saw of Starship Troopers tonight was also pretty good. A return to form for 
Verhoeven. And Doogie Howser (MD) was in it. Elena was frequently disgusted 
by the bugs (Hello flatmate!) 

SHELVES

Putting up shelves is an arduous task, but I think the end results are worth 
it, don't you?


Anyway....


Mike.



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From mikelsen at xxx.nz  Wed Feb 21 09:50:02 2001
From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 22:50:02 +1300
Subject: Sinister: Lawrence, give us another one of them block rockin' beats
Message-ID: <001501c09beb$d6d6e000$b36137d2@computer>

hello list

long time since I've posted. sorry. have been busy developing stuff for five
year olds, to teach them maths. plus planning my wedding, listening to pop
music etc.

so consequently much of what I'm about to say is probably "old hat" or
something.

***NEW B&S STUFF***
by gar I am excited. damn excited.

I was interested to read the interview from teletext (that's David) .....
Stuart M has never really sounded all that happy with "fold ..." has he. (in
the three or so interviews he's done .......) interesting that he admitted
that Jeepster were annoyed with him. what the hell is going on with Jester?
I know this a bit of a personal bug bear with me, but the site NEVER seems
to get updated, and the one regular newsletters .... well, I don't think
I've had one in about six months. They used to come thick and fast as I
recall.

The recent news of new singles/soundtrack album certainly warranted
"official news" status (as opposed to through the ever unreliable NME.com),
as did the signing of pop genius Ian Bunnymen.

Come on Jeepster ..... buck up your ideas. I wrote an essay about what a
great label you were in '99 .... don't make me a liar.

***COLDPLAY***
The band its fun to hate
Because the had indie cred ... self released single, on-off on Fierce Panda
etc., and now EVERYBODY LIKES THEM. Damn it.
No really, I like Coldplay.
A lot.
Sure, they're not doing anything new, but they are a good pop band, who
write great tunes, and even though they do kinda typify the
slightly-dull-new-indie-thing, they are (IMHO) *fantastic* live (especially
when Chris pulled off his jumper to reveal an "I Love New Zealand" t-shirt
when they played here a month or so ago, and also when they did "You Only
Live Twice" as an encore, and though the white-noise fade out at the end,
Chris played "What The World Needs Now Is Love" on the keyboard.
It turned me from a fan to a slightly rabid fan.
But really, I don't give a toss whether you like them or not.

It's just pop, right?

***NAPSTER***
(AKA "The Sinist*r can o' worms")
I thought it was gonna be closed down last week.
So I had a download frenzy.
But it's still going
Although I have a sneaking suspicion that the Mac version is really crap.

***BIRTHDAY***
It's mine on Friday.
26 years old.
(sigh)
And my three best friends, all in London, will be going to see Hefner that
night. (Or maybe the 24th ... can't remember)
The point is, THEY DON'T EVEN LIKE HEFNER!
I told them to go, dammit.
Someone better buy me a t-shirt.
(sigh)

***LOVEJOY***
Can anyone tell me about this band? (Please mail me off list)
Someone made me an unlabelled CD-R of what I assume is "Songs in the key of
...."
Who are they?
They remind me of The Field Mice
and the female singer reminds me of Isobel.
Any info appreciated.
The CD is great, but now I want a "real" (ie. not burned) copy.
If one can be had.

***LAWRENCE HATES....***
The WTO
Free trade ("Free" if you're a big capitalist oppressor ... reminds me of
the opium wars. trade "freely" with us or we'll destroy your economy.
Sex crimes.
Some poor 23 year old women went missing ten days ago, and they found her
naked, decomposing body behind a factory a few minutes down the road from
where my girlfriend lives. I feel scared just thinking about Vanessa leaving
the house now ... and she lives in a reasonably middle class area in New
Zealand, famous for being (allegedly) "A Great Place To Bring Up Kids"
(even though we have the highest teen pregnancy rate in the developed, and
{I think} the highest, or second highest teen suicide rate in the world)

Sometimes life just makes me sick.
Existential angst or something .....

It's late, and I have to proof-read half a thesis for a friend.

Take care kids, and look after yourselves .....


Lawrence Mikkelsen
(one half of the Sinist*r list, NZ chapter)
(unless there are new, NZ listees ....?)
(no, thought not ....)

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From: jordiet at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano)
Date: 21 Feb 2001 12:34:46 +0000
Subject: Sinister: The facts of pop-life
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From p.carter at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 21 14:44:48 2001
From: p.carter at xxx.uk (Peter Carter)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:44:48 -0000
Subject: Sinister: The beginning of the end
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This particular beginning (one of many) was written in my creative writing
class at uni as part of an assignment. Needs re-drafting and legthening and
so forth. It's called (oddly enough) Judy and the Dream of Horses.
Autographs will be sent to any person or persons who send me a stamped
addressed evelope in the mail.


"Write a song about your dream of horses
Call it Judy and the Dream of Horses",

That line must have been playing just as she fell asleep, or when the timer
on her stereo kicked in and switched it off, either way it wouldn't stop
looping. She didn't really mind, she liked that line, and not just because
of the vanity that came with hearing your own name. There was something in
that line about hope and about value being found in the wrong places. I
suppose you wouldn't understand unless you'd heard it all, or at least the
relevant bits. The part that nearly explained it went something like;

"Judy got a book at school
Went under the covers with a torch
Fell asleep till it was morning
Dreamt about a girl who stole a horse
Judy never felt so good except when she was sleeping"

But you'd really need to hear it all the way through.

Judy decided she'd take the advice, although it couldn't be a song, they'd
already written the song so that would be silly. Judy was going to write a
story, after all, you didn't get a motivation like this every day and it
might be the push she needed to finish something she'd started. You couldn't
live on scrapbook ideas and poems these days, no matter how good you were.

Judy sat down at the desk behind her bed. She began slowly, but began to
pick up speed the more she wrote and the more she liked it;

"'Judy and the Dream of Horses'

I hadn't slept properly in a month.



"...and of course everyone felt appropriately shocked and saddened by the
women's affliction..."

The Happy Reaper

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From koendcr at xxx.com  Wed Feb 21 17:00:51 2001
From: koendcr at xxx.com (Koen De Crock)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:00:51 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Too much music won't kill you
Message-ID: <F137CfGHM2A7BKBTjx00000ad1a@hotmail.com>

Okay,

Yesterday I wrote to this wonderful list for the first time in a long 
while... and, okay, I was bad-tempered, and I know some people don't like 
bad-tempered people. Well, anyway, sometimes you have one of these days that 
you just want to forget as quickly as you can, when you wish every single 
person that comes near to you to go to hell, when the only thing you want to 
do is sit down, relax and listen to some damn good music, which actually is 
what I did last night, listening to music I mean, not wishing people to go 
to hell. Like I said, yesterday I read some more of Kafka's "Das Prozess", a 
difficult book but certainly worthwhile reading it, because it is so well 
written, while listening to Sonic Youth's "Goo LP". Don't you just love 
Sonic Youth? I mean, these crazy old wankers are 45 years old, Kim and 
Thurston are married, they should be living a life like my parents life! 
But, noooooooooooooonononononono...no they still make crazy music for 
slightly crazy people with slightly twisted minds. Anyway, imho Sonic 
Youth's "Goo LP" is their best ever. It's their most "commercial" album, 
what the heck,... it's their breakthrough album. But, it's absolutely 
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat and sooooo yummy: Kim's sexy voice in "Goo", the 
fucked up noise at the end of "Mildred Pierce", the best instrumental ever 
written and a real mind-blower at parties, the brilliant pop-melodies in 
"Dirty Boots", ... and a million of other reasons I cannot think of right 
now but that make me say this is one of the best albums of all time (imho, 
of course).

Anyway, new B&S stuff coming up... This
                                                                         
makes
                                                                            
me
                                                                             
   so
                                                                             
      excited
... because I always wanted to hear what a B&S soundtrack would sound like, 
what kind of movie they would make a soundtrack for,...
And... a tour coming up.... which
			    makes
                                     me
                                            even
                                                      more
                                                               excited
.... because I've actually never seen them live. They came to Belgium once, 
I bought my tickets... and then I got illl, so I couldn't go.
So, please, if any of you members of B&S sometimes write to this list, take 
note of my cravings... and play a gig, if even one song, in Belgium.

CCCCCCCCCCCCCOOOOOOOOOOLDPLAY
What's all the fuzz about this band. I like them, there, I said it......... 
They have a bunch of good tunes, they don't have a shitty attitude like the 
Gallagher brothers, they are absolutely brill' live... And yeah, of course 
they have this dull-indie-image,, and of course they will never be the 
better of Radiohead, or B&S or... but I like them. And I think all the 
people who don't like them just can't stand it that a band that once had a 
lot of indie-credibility started selling millions and trillions and 
gazillions of records. Admit it, you wankers... you're just jealous. I bet 
you all play in a band and want to be famous too but you can't be because 
you're singing or guitar playing is worse than my neighbour's cat's. Anyway, 
cut the crap, I like Coldplay, especially "Don't Panic"

NEW RECORDS
Stephen Malkmus, Tortoise, Jim White, John Frusciante, G-Stone book (Kruder 
and Dorfmeister anthology), Sybarite, Bonnie Prince Billy, Motorpsycho, Low, 
Japancakes, Tarentel, Halifax Pier, Sophia, Radiohead, Boards of Canada, 
Tahiti 80, Ladytron, all Bedhead albums rereleased, Leonard Cohen's live 
album, Arab Strap, Reissue of Marvin Gayes "What's going on", My Morning 
Jacket, etc... all these albums are equally worth buying and are already 
released or will be released very very very very soon. Go out and buy them,
		 or if you don't have any money, use your credit card,
				 or your sisters credit card,...
						or just steal them

CONCERTS.
I'm so excited. "Why??" you ask. well, I'm going to see three of my all-time 
favorite bands in concert over the next few weeks. First up is Low, like I 
sead yesterday, imho the best pop-band of all time, then Tortoise, together 
with L'altra and 'the Sea and the Cake', this will be a very good 
post-rocky, arty farty night with lots of beautiful indie, hippie kind of 
girls and lots of pseudo-intellectual guys (interesting), and third is Will 
Oldham aka Bonnie Prince Billie aka Palace (Songs or Music, or whatever), 
the best and saddest and happiest and sickest and most talented troubadour 
of the moment.
I'll be trying to tape these concerts on MiniDisc, not very good quality 
though...

WORLDLY INJUSTICE
Sometimes the world makes me so sick and at the same time i think that I 
should do something about it, make a difference, start a rebellion, 
whatever.... I watched the news yesterday: people losing their jobs, 
earthquakes in India and El salvador without the western world giving 
adequate support and help, Palestinians dying in Isra�l due to Sharon being 
stubborn and just an utter fool, hunger and civil war in Guin�e,etc.... I 
mean, there's so much injustice  and all we do here in our perfect little 
rich western world is sit back and relax and listen to music and do 
pointless jobs that just gain more money for our rotten capitalist system. 
But, hell, I think I don't have the courage to get up and do something about 
it, anything.... go to Africa for Doctors without Frontiers, the Red Cross, 
Oxfam, Amnesty,...
But, when I grow iup there will be a day that I will get up and do it my 
way!!!!

Enough diversions... back to the music... .

I am asking anyone on this list again. Please send me a "Felt" tape, any 
"Felt" tape... I heard so many good things about them, downloaded some of 
their songs from Napster,and of course absolutely adored them. I could 
download more, but in one way or another trading tapes seems a cooler and a 
less anti-social thing to do. Anyone who can send me a "Felt" tape will get 
a reward, not just any reward... but some very good mix-tapes.

Okay, I have to go now. Going home, eating, music, down to the pub, watching 
Anderlecht-Leeds, drinking, and then sleeping... (not very exciting, but 
anyway)

Take Care

K-man who doesn't care what people think of him as long as he can do what he 
wants, smoke what he wants, listen to the music he likes and love who he 
wants.

Still, too many cigarettes will kill you, but they taste so good.





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From: p.carter at xxx.uk (Peter Carter)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:44:05 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Too much music won't kill you
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<CCCCCCCCCCCCCOOOOOOOOOOLDPLAY
What's all the fuzz about this band. I like them, there, I said it.........
They have a bunch of good tunes, they don't have a shitty attitude like the
Gallagher brothers, they are absolutely brill' live... And yeah, of course
they have this dull-indie-image,, and of course they will never be the
better of Radiohead, or B&S or... but I like them. And I think all the
people who don't like them just can't stand it that a band that once had a
lot of indie-credibility started selling millions and trillions and
gazillions of records. Admit it, you wankers... you're just jealous. I bet
you all play in a band and want to be famous too but you can't be because
you're singing or guitar playing is worse than my neighbour's cat's. Anyway,
cut the crap, I like Coldplay, especially "Don't Panic">

Coldplay are ok, I've thought they were ok ever since I heard them.
Parachutes is a good album marred by over production, a lack of musical
invention and, lets face it, pretty damn crappy lyrics, oh, and stars are
NOT yellow. My friends seem to think they are going to be like Radiohead and
improve vastly on their first album with their second. I don't think so
purely because they will be given even more oportunity to produce it, which
is one of the problems in the first place. The problem with Pablo Honey was
a lack of production and a lack of skill, that was why Radiohead managed to
improve on it so much with subsequent releases... can't wait till Amnesiac.

<CONCERTS.
I'm so excited. "Why??" you ask. well, I'm going to see three of my all-time
favorite bands in concert over the next few weeks. First up is Low, like I
sead yesterday, imho the best pop-band of all time, then Tortoise, together
with L'altra and 'the Sea and the Cake', this will be a very good
post-rocky, arty farty night with lots of beautiful indie, hippie kind of
girls>

*drools*, I wish I'd get some of them, all the girl I seem to get at the
moment are idiots who wear t-shirts saying things like "Men lie" and "I will
if you will", christ, you'd think I had cropped hair and perminantly wore a
rugby shirt.

<WORLDLY INJUSTICE
Sometimes the world makes me so sick and at the same time i think that I
should do something about it, make a difference, start a rebellion,
whatever.... I watched the news yesterday: people losing their jobs,
earthquakes in India and El salvador without the western world giving
adequate support and help, Palestinians dying in Israël due to Sharon being
stubborn and just an utter fool, hunger and civil war in Guinée,etc.... I
mean, there's so much injustice  and all we do here in our perfect little
rich western world is sit back and relax and listen to music and do
pointless jobs that just gain more money for our rotten capitalist system.
But, hell, I think I don't have the courage to get up and do something about
it, anything.... go to Africa for Doctors without Frontiers, the Red Cross,
Oxfam, Amnesty,...
But, when I grow iup there will be a day that I will get up and do it my
way!!!!>

I had a discussion with some people who I usually consider to be rational
human beings... they all believed fervantly that it was right to fight for
your country no matter what the cause is out of 'duty'.  This REALLY pissed
me off, I ended up very nearly shouting down their ear holes.

< I am asking anyone on this list again. Please send me a "Felt" tape, any
"Felt" tape... I heard so many good things about them, downloaded some of
their songs from Napster,and of course absolutely adored them. I could
download more, but in one way or another trading tapes seems a cooler and a
less anti-social thing to do. Anyone who can send me a "Felt" tape will get
a reward, not just any reward... but some very good mix-tapes.>

Me too, I'll swap you copies of anything in my CD collection.

"...and of course everyone felt appropriately shocked and saddened by the
women's affliction..."

The Happy Reaper


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From steven.kado at xxx.ca  Wed Feb 21 20:54:39 2001
From: steven.kado at xxx.ca (Steven Kado)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:54:39 -0500
Subject: Sinister: POWER MUSIC ELECTRIC REVIVAL!
Message-ID: <00be01c09c48$bda10a40$3602a7d1@yesic.com>

So yes,

i don;t write for a long time, then i write a little bit in response to a
months worth of stuff.  is that ok?

first:
HELLO!!!

WHAT'S WRONG WITH RUVI?
Nothing really, except for talking a lode of cack about necrophelia and
pretty girls vs. smart girls...Ruvi is pretty Rad.  yes, his first post
about square-dancing was NEARLY PROUSTIAN. only much shorter. significantly
shorter.  he brought up sylvia plath who at least had the guts to stick her
head in the oven unlike that dreadful elizabeth smart woman who lived
forever and ever and wrote terrible books.  the best thing about sylvia
plath so far is that talk of her compelled jillian locke to post!  rah!

>Pinefox asked: Is it true, by the way, that Pynchonians just don't like
Salinger?

yes.

PF also mentioned David Lodge.  i don;t like david lodge.  he's no Ruvi
whatsisface is he?  with his nudge nudge wink wink i've heard of
structuralism before sort of nonsense.  fuck that shit.  it is not the
nation of ulysses!  it's not even Komeda B-Sides.

>Peter Miller said:  You can get Deep Purple wallpaper!

and i was amazed to discover that you can purchase a YES earthenware beer
stein!
http://shopping.artistdirect.com/artist_catalog.asp?catalog=YES&store=YesDir
ect perfect for all those times you get together with other prog-rock/role
playing games friends of yours and drink yourselves into stupours while
loudly exclaiming 'i am the dungeon master!' or 'you shit head! you killed
my orc commander! now taste my steel!' etc...  then you wake up with beastly
hangovers and have to crawl back to the computer engineering building in yr
semen stained track suit dreaming of your next chance to listen to music
about trolls and gobblins and shit with your other dandruff-y friends while
playing roleplaying games and griping about how you never get any 'action'.

Youn J. Noh mentioned me, so i'll quote the entire paragraph:
>Who is the person who said something like the response to a work of art
>should be a work of art?  What were his exact words?  A former professor
>quoted him and emphasized the role of inspiration, but I think of it as
>a conversation.  Where is Steven Kado when you need him?  Maybe he could
>say something enlightening about Wittgenstein at this point. There's an
>endpoint to criticism that isn't always recognized: you can never get at
>the work itself.  I think Jason McKinnon was saying something like this.
>And the correspondence between words and things in the world is imperfect.
>It would be useful to talk about something on its own terms, but what are
>these terms?  And what are non-artists to do?  Offer mixtapes and quote
>other people's poetry?

right:  here's what i say.  1.  i don't like the way people throw words like
'art' around.  people could lose an eye or find themselves deligitemized by
an entire cultural system! fuck that shit.  2.  i side with Renzo Piano and
say that intuition doesn't exist, its just the fact that people who know
about things can make judgements about those things faster without having to
recourse to 'external' systems of reasoning.  3.  Wittgenstein would ask how
you know when you're inspired and if you are how do you know that its called
inspiration to tell someone else that you're inspired and such and so
on...colour incompatibility...etc. 4. no you can
t ever get at the work of art.  i agree.  what was the work of art anyway?
5.  its important to be sure that when talking about the imperfect
connection between words and 'reality' that we don't lapse into rude and
lazy platonism...in these modern times this can only lead to baudrillard and
thats sucky, since he's really just an old reactionary shit-head who wants
to go back to a time when men were men and women were women and reality was
reality...what a tired old fart.  i'm out of juice on this one.  i need more
kimchi to get any real thinking done, but its still early afternoon as i
write so i can't possibly eat kimchi just yet.  i don't think i even
addressed the question at all.  clearly.

i'm going to see some joseph cornell films tonite!  rah!  yes, its a
wonderful world within these cinema walls.

The Dave Matthews Band is bad like Israeli Trance.  boo!  did anyone else
find that the new baxendale joint is like a kind of anthem for a new
tomorrow?  a mission statement even...a kind of flashlight of hope?  no?
sorry.

someone didn't like physicists.  i take great umbrage at this statement
since a) one of my best friends is in physics b) my girlfriend is also in
physics.  and they are nice people and not at all creepy or stupid or lax or
anything, to be frank they're probably acres cooler than you, so there!  of
course me and the rest of the young barthesians in the wanky semiotics dept.
find anything remotely sciency to be mind-bendingly exotic so maybe i look
at physics with rose coloured glasses or something.

Greg Pallis is pretty fucking rad too,  despite having made an ass of me to
his teacher by printing out one of my hamfisted drunken rants...oh well.

the remarkably named dairy fairy said:
>I am going to see arab strap this friday. Which should be very good.
Although not necessarily a gig to cheer myself up with. >Aidan Moffat never
seems very happy, despite the fact that the content of his songs would
suggest he's having an awful lot of >sex. which is always nice.

not neccessarily.  sometimes too much sex makes your bits ache.

can anyone who speaks german tell me how to say 'architects against
indie-rock' in german?  i'd be really grateful.

rah rah !  i am electrocution!

s t e v e n




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From Something.Pretty at xxx.com  Thu Feb 22 05:39:28 2001
From: Something.Pretty at xxx.com (Rachel Playforth)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:39:28 -0800
Subject: Sinister: a boy, a girl, and a rendezvous
Message-ID: <000901c09c92$2ca8eb80$26bd7ad5@aqlzosqt>

and lo, it is writ, that for at least 7 days out of every year, all mailing
lists shall turn into the official hughes and plath discussion forum.  but
here's the real question: who would win in a fight, right?  ted and sylvia,
or stuart and isobel?  hmmm.....?

meanwhile, two messages from the delightful miss crush this week!  i haven't
even posted.... oh.  right.  clearly i am more attractive when silent.  i
just hope, whoever you are, you didn't form your opinion of me from the
'tattoo' sillistration, because, erm, my breasts don't look like that in
real life.

i could now write about things that bug me (easy option), or i could list...

... things that i'm glad the world has in it:

1) the princess bride.  i'm reading it at the moment and wondering why i
never read it earlier.  was it because i was too busy reading worthy middle
english wank like piers plowman (a morality tale - the moral presumably
being that we're all such sinners, we deserve to have to read this shit) at
university?  what a waste.
2) philip pullman.  you really should read him if you haven't.  or i'll put
a dragon's head in your bed.  the 'his dark materials' trilogy is harry
potter meets tolkein meets milton and it's wasted on children, the little
bastards.
3) rebecca pidgeon.  a great actress.  i think i love her. (sorry mr mamet.)
4) frances mcdormand.  (see above.) (apart from the mamet bit.)
5) my best friend's home made soup.  i swear she puts crushed up happy pills
in it or something.
6) the go-betweens.  if i had to justify my love, it wouldn't be love.
7) ben and jerry's new york fudge chunk ice cream. less of a dessert, more
of a lifestyle.
8) the simpsons.  what your tv was made for.
9) need i mention **** & *********?
10) can't think of a number 10 but it's a round number so....

on to practical matters.

MEET-UP
the place: brighton, england
the day: friday (not saturday any more, sorry if this screws it up for
anyone)
the time: 6pm onwards
the venue: initially, the clock tower (2 mins from train station)
the entertainment: a pub
the other entertainment: divebomb @ the core club 10pm - 2am
the real entertainment: ritual comparing of tattoos, doughnuts on the pier,
watching archel spill tuaca down her cleavage.

we all know you're soft cos we've all seen you dancing... so c'mon kids.
give yourselves up to my seedy seaside pleasures...... i mean, mail me for
more details if you're coming.

luv archel xxx

*be the kind of people the authorities can't reach*

***************************************
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'She may not be famous, but she's right' - Homer Simpson

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From Bertrand.Caron at xxx.se  Thu Feb 22 09:43:45 2001
From: Bertrand.Caron at xxx.se (Bertrand Caron)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:43:45 +0100
Subject: Sinister: What's happening in Oslo?
Message-ID: <3A94DF51.6748BDD9@uab.ericsson.se>

I ll be in Oslo sunday afternoon and evening and I was wondering if
there was anything happening there of if there is something to see in
Oslo(I already was there an evening so I saw the casttle and thing like
that from outside so I am looking for more... different things to do).
Any cheap pop restaurant or pub broadcasting B&S?
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From pjmiller at xxx.es  Thu Feb 22 09:20:59 2001
From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:20:59 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Cosmic Colin Goes Bananas!
Message-ID: <002801c09cb1$fbd10d60$2262253e@itjfvkli>

Does anyone here take Marie Claire? B&S are featured in the March issue
(Spain edition). Apparently they are "the true myths" that "inspire" a group
of people called "Lo-Fi Dandy" which is like Brit-Pop only indier (I think).
The most alarming characteristic is "adolescent sense and sensibility (at
any age)". Sound familiar? "Far from wanting to create scenes, everything
boils down to total devotion for pop with nice melodies". Perhaps "Lo-Fi
Dandy" will become the new "Grunge". I'd hold on to those test pressings a
bit longer, just in case. The other groups mentioned are Roxy Music and
Pulp.

There were some pigs squealing on the news just now, they sounded exactly
like "Walk This Way" by Aerosmith.

In the interests of list research, I have started The Journals of Slavia
Praha 1950-1962. It's just a bunch of Dear Diary posts! Good ones, though.
She gets K!I!S!S!E!D! against her will in a B!A!R!N! by a Peacock
Johnson-like character. For a nosy parker it's an interesting book. I find
it a bit distressing though, and nothing distressing has happened yet. She
hasn't even met Ted Heath. I think I'd prefer to read Sniffin' Glue.

Peter

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From lleweth at xxx.com  Thu Feb 22 06:27:31 2001
From: lleweth at xxx.com (Laura Llew)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 06:27:31 -0000
Subject: Sinister: It always comes down to the survival of the (wi)prettiest
Message-ID: <F266tUBV3A2A1HvGTID00004a69@hotmail.com>

Miss Whiska whispered about Ruvi's Rambling of:
"I think the problem is that pretty girls do not make great thinkers."

After I read this, I looked out the window at the valley and mused... Wait, 
who am I kidding? I'm much too beautiful to be muddling my pretty little 
head with thoughts. In fact, I'm surprised I'm exerting myself to the extent 
of typing. However, I like the way my perfectly manicured fingernails look 
as they sweep over the keys, especially the delicacy of my pinkie as it 
attacks the enter key.

Llovely.

Of course, those less attractive seem to think that grace and poise such as 
this come without any work. Why I will have you know it takes hours of work 
each week from that rather large lady with softly permed hair to keep my 
nails like this. And underpaid masses sweat gallons just so that I might 
have the cucumbers that I soak in milk to lay on my eyes so that I might be 
able to stare at the world through the perfection which it sees when gazing 
upon me.

- Beauty is only skin deep.
- Pretty is as pretty does.
My question is this: If ugly people are the ones who are so clever, then why 
can't they come up with better sayings to make their pocked faces feel 
better about themselves?

Salinger. He might be smart. He refused to have his picture put on the dust 
jacket of Catcher In The Rye when it first came out. I wish some other 
authors would take this stance.  Of course, he also refused to have any 
picture put on the cover which is why you always see it as basically a plain 
white cover.  One of the English classes at the local high school just 
finished reading Catcher In The Rye. When one student came into pick up the 
next book (Slaughterhouse Five), they were complaining about the vulgarity 
of Salinger's novel. I curved my mouth into a pout. (You know to make it 
look as if I care.) I suppose I can understand. Why I had to stop reading 
"Midnight In the Garden of Good and Evil" due to the vulgarity. Well, that 
and the fact that I was beginning to have a sneaking suspicion that the 
transvestite was better looking than me. Green simply isn't my best color.

Enough of this chatter. It's beginning to make my teeth hurt. (Capped. $200 
a tooth.) I shall now do what I do best and squeeze into a short skirt and 
paste on my plastic smile.

Ready?
*stiff clap*
O!K!

Rah Rah REEEEEEEEEE!!!
If you haven't figure out what I'm up to now, then I have a lovely 
handcrafted mirror that you would surely like to look upon yourself in.

It's 2/22 and Marie Elia is 23!

Yes, that raven-haired beauty who is the wit of all things Sinister is 
turning another year older today. Of course, I would be remiss in my duties 
as a connoisseur of that which is lovely, virtuous (ahem), and of good 
report if I were not to post on this glorious day.

This year I went on a mission to find out why Ree is loved so much. I soon 
found that at the mere mention of her name boys become besotted and addled 
brained (though some would say that this it's difficult to tell the 
difference between this and how they act normally). Armed with a box of 
Kleenex, a yellow raincoat, and some galoshes - I bravely faced the 
droolfest to discover the reasons of such devotion that go far beyond her 
Hello Kitty earmuffs. The most reoccurring theme was the fact that Ree "had 
booty." Not only does she have it but she shared it with ALL of England 
which was ignorant of such things. Where the British had been up to their 
neck in bliss, they are now down to the groove with booty-shakin. According 
to unidentified sources, they're still trying to live it down. However, I 
think for their sakes that it was only an Introductory Course since I have 
heard no mention of "The Seven Degrees of Booty" or "Ghetto Booty." At 
least, she was that kind.

There was also a torrent of favorite, as Will Porter deemed them, Memo-Rees. 
Including -
Tofutti and tofutti cuties (the vanilla ones are the best)
The secret handshake
and my personal favorite Ree quote from chat:
Chele: I shouldn't say what song it is because I'll be dating myself.
Ree: I like dating myself. I have great taste in music, I'm cute, and 
there's no question about whether I'll invite myself up for "coffee."

Some of the answers I got I don't think can be covered by any explanation. 
Thus, I shall simply list them here with the disclaimer that was given to 
me: ***BEWARE because those who said some of these things are British, 
French, and feline. Therefore, they aren't good at staying clear of irony 
and rudeness.***

ANSWERS TO THE QUESTION: "WHY DO YOU LIKE REE?"*

1.  Ree is supah gorgeous and sweet and on TOP of the seat last night.
    A 130 kind of girl and reely cute and brave.
2.  She left shampoo at our house so we didn't have to buy any.
3.  Her name sounds like pee
4.  She wanks with intelligence and grace
5.  She spends with style
6.  She is un parapluie: curves, stripes, and sooo waterproof
7.  She knows how to write a tearstained letter to Sir William, a more
    tragic hand-biting has never been seen. (Oh Sir William, when will
    you return? My heart is ravished...)
8.  She's prepared to share her husband
9.  She almost tempts us to forget our awkward Englishness and say
    actual nice things about her because we love her and her comb-over
10. How she says "This station is *bermondsey*"
11. The way she leaves #sinister just a bit before she actually logs
    out of IRC so that those of us in the know can sneak in one last
    hug and good-bye
12. Her poetry is brilliant
13. She has this cute little frown when she is concentrating on
    something
14. She's going to write one of these for all our birthdays. Oh, we
    can't wait!

As Carey said of the list - "It's all from the heart" which means I must be 
really stupid since I had no idea that wanking had to do with one's heart.

Laura
'meeting all of your Laura Llew needs 4 months and 20 days before Ree began 
to meet all of your Maria Elia needs'
(I'm glad my demand isn't as high as hers)

*Contributed by & thanks to: Princess Honey, Curled up Carey, Electric 
Elena, Luscious Linda, Superstar Splat, Will - I don't believe comparing me 
to a Greek God qualifies as mentioning me- Porter, Red Rejector Robinson, 
Drowsers Trousers, Magnetic Megan, Julie Williams, Violent Velocity Girl, 
and AuntSadie.

PS- Apologies to Prissy Chrissy - who's input I would have loved but I was 
unable to get due to the fact he's now physically attached to Ree in New 
York
PPS - Thanks to Katrina who is absolutely awesome. I wish I had a copy of 
that sillustration of Velocity Girl taking down cupid while she has a 
cigarette in her mouth. That is oh so worthy of a frame.

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From shewitt at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 22 14:44:22 2001
From: shewitt at xxx.uk (Hewitt, Stephen)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:44:22 -0000
Subject: Sinister: I Cam
Message-ID: <F85A0598616FD311BAAD0090279BD936032DFD@lima.walton.ruskin.ac.uk>

So i'm going to be the first to comment on the obvious similarity between Ms
Lopez and Ms Campbell am I?

I bet I Cam could get more than a million dollars for her arse
Does it make our struan the puff daddy of twee then?
um, other stuff about bums

etc

went for a job interview in that london yesterday.  It was pretty
horrendous, they showed like no interest in me at all, just stuck to the
questions, and what terrible questions they were too, "what do you see
yourself doing in ten years time?" noooooooooooooooooooooooooo! "what are
your strengths and weaknesses?"
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!  I flipping hate questions
like that, and i don't see why being good at interview skills should be a
pre-requisite for any job...

Saw a bit of metrosexuality last nite, by gum it was rubbish.  I wonder if
Welthorpe, Mrs will be suing them for nicking her tagline...

Is anyone watching the West Wing? I am, i think it's grate.

Boy Pallis dared to diss Final Fantasy although he did praise Spaced, which
he is correct about, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, spaced, can't wait.

Coldplay have always been rubbish, which ever label they were on, not as bad
as starsailor mind.

Went to see Frink Blick the other nite, by jimminy does he go on.  The first
hour was quite good, but then he DIDN'T STOP!! after two and a quarter
hours, he went off and THEN CAME BACK FOR AN ENCORE.  Why do bands have the
temerity to think they can entertain us for that long?  Even two hours of
b&s would be pushing it, i just don't have the attention span i guess.

*brief glasgow only section*
if you are in that glasgow tonite and have nothing to do, may i suggest that
you go to King Tuts and see a band called "The Bush, The Tree and Me", which
i realise is a rubbish name, but they are very good, well i liked them
anyway. they are acousticy and very nice young ladies and they have a cello
and a clarinet.
*end of glasgowcentric bit*

Durry Furry is going to see the strap on friday and I'm going to see them on
saturday.  My advice would be to get very drunk as it always improves the
quality of their gigs.  That said, i've never seen them sober (and i'm not
going to start on saturday).  Oh and if you can split up with boyf/girlf
during the support act it'll probably help.  I won't be doing that, mainly
because mrs carsmile will be at home.

Casser, we are all itching with (ahem) AnTiciPation to know what's happening
on April 5, tell us pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease.

xoxo
CarolsmilieSteve
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From p.carter at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 22 14:59:02 2001
From: p.carter at xxx.uk (Peter Carter)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:59:02 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Judy and the Dream of Horses (chap 1)
References: <002801c09cb1$fbd10d60$2262253e@itjfvkli>
Message-ID: <007701c09cdf$fe245d50$ccc813ac@bathspa.ac.uk>

Chapter 1

I hadn’t slept properly in a month. You know that they say if you hate
someone too much everything gets all twisted? Well, the same thing can
happen with love, only that won’t go away just because you decide it should
and there’s no way you can just leave it alone, especially when the other
person loves you back just as much. I guess you wouldn’t really understand
unless you know someone who made you so nervous that you couldn’t speak to
them for fear of having them despise you, of giving away something of your
character and having them realise, instantly, that you are in no way their
equal or even their second best.

You have to understand that, for all my efforts not to be, I’m pretty much
flawed. I try to care about things, I try to put other people first, but it
never feels quite right, it always feels like I’m doing it for myself.
Sometimes I manage it, last week I actually got really upset when some girls
I know were talking about going to war being a duty, but that’s just the
once. Usually I just sit at home listening to music and working out how to
get back at someone who’s upset me, or going out and trying to find the best
way to attract everyone’s attention. I’ve tried to be like him, to actually
care more about other people than I do about myself. It doesn’t work, and
every time he touches me I can feel that he knows I’m not like him. Now, I
didn’t always understand he was like that, when I first met him I had no
idea at all.

As far as I can remember it was January, though it could just as easily have
been February, and I was sitting in the front room reading a book and
drinking Ribina through a straw. He had come to see my dad about the
computer and I had no idea who he was. He fixed the problem in a couple of
minutes and sat down on the chair next to me to have a cup of tea. I winked
at him, I always winked at boys when they first came into the house, it was
my way of introducing some drama into the proceedings.  He shuffled the
first time, and smiled just enough to avoid offending me. I waited until my
father came into the room and winked again, this time he pretended it hadn’t
happened. I went back to my book.

I soon found that it was impossible to read over the discussions taking
place between my father and my new toy. I noticed he was looking at me and
looked up sharply, intending to embarrass him. He held my gaze for a second
and then returned his eyes to my father. A little confused by this reaction
I searched for something else to occupy my attention. I began to blow gently
on my Ribina, manoeuvring the waves across the cup. I continued this until
the tea was finished and the boy left.


"...and of course everyone felt appropriately shocked and saddened by the
women's affliction..."

The Happy Reaper

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From chrislampinen at xxx.com  Thu Feb 22 15:29:14 2001
From: chrislampinen at xxx.com (Christiaan!! !!)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:29:14 -0500
Subject: Sinister: mrs saucy pants
Message-ID: <F273SVvR0WssM5sGmhZ000023d4@hotmail.com>

hi kitty kats!

millky-o said-o

>PS- Apologies to Prissy Chrissy - who's input I would have loved but I was 
>unable to get due to the fact he's now physically attached to >Ree in New 
>York

Well, first things first. I like Ree because she has a HOT ASS.  That's all 
that matters, isn't it?

So I'm back in New York!  Wee hoo!  I could tell you all the details, but I 
really don't care to.  Instead I'll talk about other things.

I heard the Gentle Waves for the first time the other day. I think they are 
shit.

I bought the Salteens album yesterday.   There is a song about pretending to 
be gay to pull hotties. Aw yeah.

I've decided to talk about New York.

Today Ree and I are going to the city. J Lo is my 2nd cousin, so we're going 
to stay with her and her.  Hopefully Puffy won't be around this time. He's 
always trying to grab my weiner. It's so annoying. I mean, he has his own! 
What's he need mine for?

After we meet up with J Lo we are going to the ghetto. I brought my drum 
machine, so Ree will break out the phat beatz and I will bust ill rhymez.

Um, OK I've found something better to do.

Bye!

Love love love love
Christiaan

PS: haha nothing i tricked you!

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From pcxas at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 22 15:56:41 2001
From: pcxas at xxx.uk (Arantxa Sanz)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:56:41 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: Diving deep (purple) into the gene pool
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0102221541350.18295-100000@granby.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>




I have been expecting the whole long day that some member of the
Barthesian Youth Brigade would hit our roughly 1400 mailboxes with the
ultimate interpretation of 'Family Tree', which would encode some
reference to the kickin' ass gene shared by J-Lo and Izz Camp.

Steve R-ado came back with a brilliant defence of physicsness,always
welcomed by such a prosecuted minority.I wonder if individuals might
be charged in this country with racist allegations because of mocking 
naive Robot Wars addicts and telling them how sad and appalling to
our sight they are.Rescuing beauty from the deepest caves and rising it to
where it should stay,that is skin deep and splendidly superficial,L-LL
ruined my daily routine of observing the remains of acne at 27 1/3.

B-O-Y-S, the video. Never my eyes contemplated such a condensed collection
of all the possible stereotypes of saucy 60s
iconography.Nuns,lollipops,and the shortest school miniskirts conceived by
HH.I am sure that is what goes in the mind of every lo-fi dandy, if there
is such species.


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From ppyrrjs at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 23 00:20:11 2001
From: ppyrrjs at xxx.uk (Robin Stout)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:20:11 -0800
Subject: Sinister: A Fish in a Bow Tie?
Message-ID: <3A94CBBD.25330.A4FD653@localhost>

On Monday I was walking home and I saw a full moon melting 
through the branches of a beech tree. Then I turned a corner past a 
house and realised it was the lit up clock face of a black church 
tower. It was beautiful.

Trying to find some info about Staurt Murdoch's rectorial campaign I 
came across this website 
http://familyclan.net/stuart_robert_duke.htm
about Murdoch Stuart, the Second Duke of Albany, who apparently 
ruled Scotland in the 14th century. Maybe Stuart Murdoch is trying to 
win back his ancestral right. Hopefully he won't meet the same 
sticky end as Murdoch Stuart, who was eventually executed by King 
James' own trained badger army*.

The website seems to be part of a family tree, including such names 
as Duncan "Na-Adh" Campbell, who married Murdoch Stuart's sister, 
and is a direct ancestor of a certain Lady Isabell Campbell. Ah, the 
wheel has come a full circle. Isabell Campbell? Murdoch Stuart? 
Family Tree? This is too freaky. I'm probably going to go home now 
and see the face of Struan in a carrot.

On our family tree, the most notable thing, apart from Uncle Billy 
who stole all the family silver and was disowned, is the inexplicable 
claim that  "Ada Jackson married Fish". Whether this was one fish or 
lots I don't know, but it must have been a difficult wedding, with lots 
of fish in bow ties floundering around, and a crap speech from the 
best fish with lots of in fish jokes that no-one else understands. "So 
I was talking to this clam the other day...".

You know, if my family tree goes back to Napoleon I think I'll change 
my name to Jones.


Robin x

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From angelfairybelle at xxx.com  Thu Feb 22 16:54:18 2001
From: angelfairybelle at xxx.com (Amy Jackson)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:54:18 -0000
Subject: Sinister: i know all the games you play cos i play them too
Message-ID: <F54ZnTcPfTJ9w9wPzJ000008fdc@hotmail.com>

good afternoon sinister, it's been a while...

as i walked down the road to the bright orange haven of easy everything, i 
saw an accountants on sauchiehall street called...Peacock Johnston. hmm, 
methinks mr david has been getting inspiration from the world of accountancy 
and finance...

it's been a funny old time for me lately.  EvilRoommate moved out, so i know 
have a lovely warm room all to myself.  it's so good, i can wander around in 
my pyjamas and eat coco pops in the afternoon and she won't moan at me and 
call me "a typical student".  she's half ned anyway, so i'm not 
fussed...then two days ago i found out that one of my best friends (*ahem*) 
asked the guy i've liked for 5 months out and he said yes.  now, i'm more 
bothered about that fact that she asked him out in the first place when she 
knew how much i like(d) him and she promised she wouldn't do anything about 
it, rather than the fact that ross is going out with someone.  colour me 
gutted though.  i am actually quite upset with her, despite telling her i 
wasn't (mind you, that was when she told me that she'd done nothing to 
encourage him and it was all a one way street coming from his direction.), 
but i dunno. ho hum, boys are strange and girls who are meant to be your 
friend are even stranger.

had a dream about stuart murdoch in a kilt last night. swooning took place, 
even in my sleep.

oh yeah, big hellos to the lovely colin! (he knows who he is, hehe.)  and of 
course the troika boys andy ("big hairy dangly ones") and neily, who's cd 
player hitched a lift home in my bag last night. sorry dear!

righty, i'm off to save the world before bedtime,
careful now,
amy xxxxxx


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From n.barr at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 22 17:55:56 2001
From: n.barr at xxx.uk (Niall Barr)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:55:56 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Rumours from cyberspace...
In-Reply-To: <f04310102b6b96dbee7c1@[130.209.25.252]>
Message-ID: <3A9552AC.8061.11D2DE@localhost>

Hi people,
This e-mail arrived in one of my many mailboxes by dubious 
means, and I've not checked out it's authenticity, however I think it 
may well be real.

I wonder if I can matriculate for a new degree tomorrow morning...

Niall.

> Belle and Sebastian will be playing a secret gig next week, can't say 
> where or when...to get tickets you need to be a Glasgow Uni student 
> and go to Boyd Orr lecture theatre Two at 1pm on Friday, 23rd. You 
> must bring your matric card, first come first served, one ticket per 
> person, limited to 200 tickets, info stuart at popmusician.co.uk
> 
> cheers
> 
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From dontloveanyone at xxx.com  Thu Feb 22 18:45:39 2001
From: dontloveanyone at xxx.com (Mike K)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:45:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: I knew you were historical from all the books I've read
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Hello all

What a strange day it's been. I am sick (the doc says it's all in me head, but i'm fine really). I saw the strangest outdoor ad on the way home. "Lew, Lara: Now at this address (etc)". A truly weird moment. I s'pose it's a law firm or something of the sort. And sure enough arriving home i find Laura's written to the list. And every time i happen upon the word 'sinister' in a book, i stop and kind of smile, which can be very distracting, in a way. 

The Murdoch/Campbell historical family tree connection was very amusing... I sometimes wish we had clans and other things of the sort here in brazil but then again "you can wish in one hand and spit in the other and see which fills up first". 

Am i the only one that can't resist singing TBWTAS (song not album) with all the lyrics in the booklet? with "when you've been inside" at the end of the first verse etc etc. And i gaze for hours at the mysteriously italicized lines on the fold your hands booklet. Few bands have booklets as fun as B&S. Not to mention the tigermilk and IYFS booklet-stories...

I hear Teenage Fanclub might be coming down here this year which would be amazingly grate. Might the upcoming B&S tour include some south american dates? No, thought not. 

After reading Chapter 1 of Peter's Judy and the Dream of Horses, and thinking back to Belle Lettres and all that...i think someday B&S will have inspired so many short stories and poetry and little essays they could be collected in a book. Or a very nice website, anyway.

Tomorrow I get time off Literature or some other class to go teach origami to some kindergartners. The fact that I do not know origami is something i'll hopefully somehow overcome. I have moments where I think of being a teacher, but then I remember how rotten I'd be at correcting things. 

Can anyone recommend me a good Kafka book? I think I have one in portuguese, but i'd much rather read it in english for the full effect. If no one suggest anything, I suppose i'll read The Trial.

Time for medication and laying in bed for a while, listening to Gentle Waves (who, by the way, are not shit)
Love
Mike

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From ryanbthat at xxx.com  Thu Feb 22 19:02:22 2001
From: ryanbthat at xxx.com (Rinaldo Thatchez)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:02:22 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Up all night and down every day...
Message-ID: <LAW2-F246jtMhiIB7UM0000efdc@hotmail.com>

Why oh why do I feel I must always leap into the fray when we have some 
controversy a-brewin'? I don't actually hear you asking for my two cents but 
I feel compelled to throw them in anyway.

First off, in defense of Ruvi: No matter what you think of the ideas put 
forth in his little Valentine's message I think there is a quality present 
that is undeniable and therefore I cannot stand by and see it criticized.  
It ached and longed and was self-deprecating and honest and smart and 
genuinely quirky without jumping up and down saying, "ooh, I'm so eccentric, 
look at me." Besides, you don't really think he wants to get freaky with the 
dearly departed now, do you? As for the pretty girls != smart girls thing, 
I'm sorry but it is true in at least a limited sense. Exceptions will always 
exist but for people (boys and girls) with certain gifts like exceptional 
good looks, musical talent, athleticism, extreme wealth - whatever - a 
certain laziness often kicks in and they choose not to work so hard at other 
things thus allowing their brains, emotions, social conscience - whatever - 
to atrophy. God knows I would've studied harder if I didn't think good looks 
and charm would get me everything I want. Conversely, look at people who are 
naturally gifted at intellectual pursuits who hole up with books, computers 
and role-playing games and allow their social skills to wither away. Same 
principle.

Okay, enough with the controversy, the rest is much more benign. Speaking of 
benign, how about that Coldplay? It strikes me that this debate is not very 
relevant over here in the states where we generally don't know much about 
the UK bands until they reach a certain level of success. After that, the 
indie cred issue becomes a bit pointless (or more so), and we have to simply 
evaluate them on the tunes. It seems that some are having a hard time with 
how the band's career is developing more than anything else. My opinion? I 
like them, the songs are pleasant and while not brilliant, are at least not 
embarrassingly dumb. I'm also always happy to see the return of mediocre 
musicianship. It's funny, I was talking with my roommates about how much 
Britpop (yeah, i guess we still say that sometimes) is starting to sound 
more like American indie. Probably the influence of Blur, who always talked 
about how much they love American indierock and were probably a big part of 
the bands coming up today's musical diet.

Now some personal stuff: This dating business is rubbish. Can you believe 
I'll be 26 soon and I am only just now doing it for the first time? Until 
now it was always just end up in bed with someone and depending on how that 
goes or your mutual level of regret afterwards you start spending more time 
together (or you don't) and there you are with a girlfriend. This has always 
been the way it has been for me until now. Just recently I told a friend 
that I'd always been attracted to her and she said the same and now we're 
seeing a little more of each other but it's weird: we go out on dates 
complete with coming up with activities, one of us paying for the other and 
the walk home and kiss at the door. That's the weirdest part, the 
incremental physical intimacy thing. It's so awkward. I much prefer just 
sleeping with someone right away. I wouldn't mind hearing your perspectives 
on this sinister-inos, in fact I very much want to.

Rinaldo

Also, I don't remember who said it but whoever mentioned David Foster 
Wallace's Infinite Jest, I fully endorse that recommendation. It's the only 
1500 page book you'll want to read three times.


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From filmout99 at xxx.com  Fri Feb 23 04:10:05 2001
From: filmout99 at xxx.com (scott mannion)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 04:10:05 -0000
Subject: Sinister: nothing special here
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*Scott enters the page...*

*...clears his throat...*

*...and prepares himself for his first address*

ummm...Hello :)

*Scott turns quickly and runs back out the door*

*I hope no-one noticed me*
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From kpc98c at xxx.UK  Fri Feb 23 04:41:28 2001
From: kpc98c at xxx.UK (Kenneth P Y Chu)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 04:41:28 +0000
Subject: Sinister: cosyness of the middle distance jumper
Message-ID: <200102230434.EAA15240@missprint.org>

Hello,

Do you remember the Australian classic "Men at work"?  Well I'm a boy 
(or was it "boi"??!) at work at the moment, work, work work, too much 
work.  If I get a girlfriend for every piece of work I have to do, then 
I'd be a slimey ladykiller now.

I spent Valentines day going bowling, which was a surprisingly fun way of 
spending Valentines day, all the fun of throwing a 12LB ball into some pins 
that you imagine to be the groins of the boys who pull more girls than you, 
and that's before you start exploring jokes about fingers in holes and well 
oiled surfaces and wide splits.

I think I should "spare" you from all these crap puns actually.


Pickled Prince said in reply to JenOwl:
".... A girl phase....indeed! You might as well say you are going through 
an Asian phase or an amputee phase."

Any one going through a cute Chinese boy with glasses phase, please feel free 
to e-mail kpc98c at cs.nott.ac.uk. :)  <Ken waits for e-mails to flood through>

.. no replies.. hmm that's odd.


Jordi wrote about a picture of some girl who no es Isobel Cambpell, I dunno 
who Isobel Cambpell is but I wonder what bodily liquid is that girl conceiling 
inside her woolie hat.  Even more disturbing tho, whether that girl is singing 
"Beyond the Sunrise".


What is this big sign I see over there.. let's see:

"Ken, shut up"

Fair enough, I suppose, hmmmmm big mouth "strikes" again. Ahem.  Sorry.

Turkeys and Red Bulls
Ken
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From howied41 at xxx.com  Fri Feb 23 08:30:28 2001
From: howied41 at xxx.com (David Howie)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:30:28 -0000
Subject: Sinister: B&S Gig at Glasgow Uni
Message-ID: <LAW2-F235I4JwaYOSoc0000a06e@hotmail.com>

There is going to be a 'secret' gig at Glasgow Uni this week by Belle and 
Sebastian to support Struan's rectorial campaign.  Tickets are FREE.  
However there are only 200 tickets and you must be a matriculated student.

But read it and weep: B&S gig in Glasgow this week.  B&S, not Struan but 
B&S.


Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I'm sorry Honey, this didn't take 15 minutes to write but I thought that, as 
the Sinister Junior Reporter, I should keep everybody informed.


Sinister Junior Reporter (as appointed by Miss Honey),

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From mouser at xxx.net  Fri Feb 23 08:53:51 2001
From: mouser at xxx.net (Shawn and Emily)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:53:51 -0500
Subject: Sinister: B&S Gig at Glasgow Uni
References: <LAW2-F235I4JwaYOSoc0000a06e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <003701c09d76$25411d60$36126940@7b74c01>

Well, are there any matriculated students with portable dat or md recorders
planning to attend?  Please drop me a line.

Green with envy,
Shawn

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> There is going to be a 'secret' gig at Glasgow Uni this week by Belle and
> Sebastian to support Struan's rectorial campaign.  Tickets are FREE.
> However there are only 200 tickets and you must be a matriculated student.
>
> But read it and weep: B&S gig in Glasgow this week.  B&S, not Struan but
> B&S.
>
>
> Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
>
> I'm sorry Honey, this didn't take 15 minutes to write but I thought that,
as
> the Sinister Junior Reporter, I should keep everybody informed.
>
>
> Sinister Junior Reporter (as appointed by Miss Honey),
>
> David.
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From p.carter at xxx.uk  Thu Feb 22 18:14:54 2001
From: p.carter at xxx.uk (Peter Carter)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:14:54 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Girl No. 12
Message-ID: <005101c09cfb$5ae49cb0$abc813ac@bathspa.ac.uk>

Just now I saw a girl sitting next the road that goes through my campus with
a bottle of water in her hand. She looked sad. I don't think she was waiting
for a lift or she'd have been waiting at the car park and she was no-where
near the bus stop. She certainly wasn't enjoying the sun because it was cold
and windy and if she was enjoying being outside she would have looked
happier. If she was just being depressed she could have done so inside where
it is warm. I'm going back down the same path now, I'm not sure if she'll be
there.

I am scared of everything.

Peter

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From mod4real at xxx.com  Fri Feb 23 11:46:46 2001
From: mod4real at xxx.com (Chan Toby)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:46:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: the 1st step  for a chinese  writer to win Noble
Message-ID: <20010223114646.89527.qmail@web9210.mail.yahoo.com>

hey yo,

check check.
one   two  one-two.
yo, what's up? 

the 1st step for a chinese writer to win Noble is:

Translate it to English or French.... 
I am writing a chinese fiction now, man... who
know chinese and  french?

bout last nite grammy::

I like the Macy Gray's  performance (pls forgive me,
mate)

and "the best native americian music" amuse me.

MC talking bout   Eminem thing:
"that what our parent did to Elvis, The Stones  and
Beatle"
hey, Mr MC, Slim dun  give a fuck 

Slim weren't doing his best. Sir Elton John did the
Dido's
part of "Stan" with his keyboard.  BORING. Slim should
do "real silm shaddy" to diss grammy

Big Mouth Bono talking like shit and piss many people
off

!!!!!!!!!!!! B&S Content !!!!!!!!!!

"B&S should get some of thess(grammy)" (Toby in Bono's
voice)

     !!!!! Re Ply!!!!!!
I like the post that someone talk bout seeing a
girl with a bottle of water. 

U should write a fiction, and make it long, follow
the flow of your mind...


Save Our Ship,
Toby C





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From cellophanesky at xxx.com  Fri Feb 23 15:37:23 2001
From: cellophanesky at xxx.com (Brian Pennington)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:37:23 -0500
Subject: Sinister: The Voice of Skepticism
Message-ID: <a05010400b6bc2ea95473@[209.244.102.87]>

Hello,
	I really ought to have posted days ago with this content, but 
I am lazy. And I wanted to read all the messages I haven't before 
posting. However, the timely nature now forces me to post prior to 
reading the messages...
	Regarding the B&S secret gig. Take it with a grain of salt. I 
ran into various members of Belle & Sebastian at last week's Low 
concert in New York. Stuart seemed to think it highly unlikely that 
they would even be back in Glasgow for the election itself. Recording 
the soundtrack to the mystery movie is taking much longer than they 
thought it would by the sound of things. Another point to consider, I 
asked Richard if there was any chance they'd play a secret gig or 
something since they were already in New York, and he said there was 
no chance, because they hadn't played in something like two years, 
and with all the recording they would not have time to practice. 
Consider, they were still in New York on Wednesday at midnight for 
certain, as Neil popped into IRC chat prior to going back to play a 
tambourine part. So for them to do a gig tonight, they would have had 
to rocket home to Glasgow yesterday, and spend all afternoon today 
jetlagged & practicing...and that's IF they finished the soundtrack 
Wednesday night or if they're taking a break or something. Maybe this 
is so important to the band that they will do it, but...well I'm 
skeptical. So if the gig doesn't happen, don't be too surprised.
	Anyway, other interesting content tidbits gleaned from 
talking to Stuart and Richard (mostly): Stuart did indeed once go to 
London mainly looking for Lawrence from Felt. The Loneliness of the 
Middle-Distance Runner's title is a reference to Alan Sillitoe's 
short story, but the lyrics aren't based off of it, though the mood 
is similar. The aforementioned soundtrack was originally slated to be 
an hour of the movie, with someone else doing the rest of the movie. 
However that fell through and now they're doing the entire 2 and a 
half hours of the movie. This is why recording has taken them so much 
longer than they thought. The soundtrack only has a few 'proper' 
songs (2 or 3 if memory serves) and a lot of it is filled with 
incidental music, etc. They're working closely with the mystery 
director of the movie in the recording of this (apparently why they 
went to New York). As in he's there to say things like "No, no, no, 
it's all wrong!" He probably never said that though. They're watching 
the movie as they record, so as to get the cues right. Some of the 
songs had been written beforehand and some of them were written in 
the studio. Also, they weren't certain that the soundtrack would see 
proper release. However, Matador & Jeepster were footing the bill for 
the hotel & the trip, so make your own conclusions. Oh, and they're 
really enjoying the recording process a lot by the sound of things.
	Whew! Crazy stuff. Well that's all I can report. And I have a 
million things to do so I must go. But potential Glasgow secret gig 
attendees, be ready for anything. That's all I'm saying...

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From hamibe02 at xxx.edu  Fri Feb 23 16:40:06 2001
From: hamibe02 at xxx.edu (Blake)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:40:06 -0500
Subject: Sinister: the bible is like a gun; it's glorious but not much fun.
Message-ID: <000901c09db7$4992b020$ef551198@wfu.edu>

Hey.

You.

Gorgeous.


News news!  What to say first?  Hmmmmmmm.  Oh whooo B&S content.  Everyone's
said all of this already but new singles/tours/shows/sex shows are all
greatly appreciated.  I mean, it has been a while.  A long while.  And for
someone like me (and I get the sense there are lots of these on the list)
who has never seen the band live, this is **1991 FLASHBACK tubular END 1991
FLASHBACK**.

Sorry.

I have french class in half an hour and I'm terrible in french and I'm
turning in a paper (in french, whoa!) and it's just wretched.  Seriously,
it's awful.  If it were in english it'd still be a total waste.

I feel it necessary to put a different picture of me on the picture page.  I
mean, you can only be represented by a driver's license picture that was
taken when you were 17 for so long.

I think Ree* recently described me (and Walkn Steve, too, I think) as a
combination indie rocker and all american boy.  Well I'm going to put this
rumor to rest by propagating it.**  This is a very, very, good description
of me.  You people must understand that the scene here is Abercrombie, frat
parties, and Natural Light (yummmmm).  Now, obviously I don't adhere to
these frightful trends (though I've been visited by the Nattie on occasion)
but growing up in the Carolinas has had varying effects on me.  So I'm very
much a social mutt.  Can't believe I was pigeon-holed so accurately.

I had one other thing to say but my blanket (wrapped around me) is falling
off and I must correct it.  For some reason the heat shut off last night and
I can see my breath in my room here.  Not a good sign.

Went to see Low night before last.  Rad rad rad is all I can say.


And for those of you wondering:

No I did not fall in love with any restaurant/cafe girls (this week).
No I am not trying to decide whether a girl has left her number for me on a
reading list.
No I am not lovesick nor hopelessly lost within the bowels of crushdom (not
a word)...yet.


blake
the nerdy shy-eyed pacifist



*Dr. Ree to you.

**This makes no sense.

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From room_30 at xxx.com  Fri Feb 23 16:50:01 2001
From: room_30 at xxx.com (chris perriman)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:50:01 -0000
Subject: Sinister: what time is it if there's a pie on the clock tower in wigan?
Message-ID: <F116HJgnmld2whloq2i000001e5@hotmail.com>

HI!!!

glasgow seems such a cool place.  if there was anywhere in the world i could 
live it would be glasgow or new york, both cities just exude (sp?) a certain 
quality like if they were film stars they'd be errol flynn and clark gable, 
just the coolest you can possibly be.  both have incredibly rich musical 
heritages, i suppose it's like billy connoly's theory about why certain 
cities are funny, the mix of races and cultures.  manchester's jewish and 
irish populations, newcastle's scottish population, london's mix of 
everything.  new york is, i suppose, just a huge mass of different cultures 
all alien to where they are (exvcept the native americans but i don't 
suppose you get many of them walkind down broadway or wall street).  i have 
been to neither cities but i will have a manhattan loft sometime in the 
future (a boys gotta dream).  actually i've heard that american tv shows use 
toronto to film in coz it looks more like chicago or new york than chicago 
or new york do!.  i have been to toronto though.  great place, all i can 
really remember though is the heat (40 degrees c) and the posters everywhere 
advertising the sex pistols reunion tour that rolled through a few days 
after i left (which i was bummed about as i was 16 and had just been 
introduced to punk through a friends brother)
what was i talking about? oh yeah other places but home.  i *need* to get 
out of the parental home, it's driving me nuts.  i suppose thinking about 
moving out made me think about moving to glasgow or other cool places but i 
suppose newcastle in't that bad, it's pretty cool actually but very insular. 
  edinburgh, 100 miles north, or leeds, 100 miles south, are the nearest 
civilisations of any real size or importance and although i do have friends 
there it's nigh on 20 quid for a bus or train ticket and even that is way 
out of my budget.  god i'm rambling but i havent done it in ages so i'm 
allowed.

the french have no word for double entendre, but they call a rugby player 
'le rugbyman' so we're both to fault.

by the way, who are wheatus? they are like, top 5 in the charts and i've 
never heard the song.  and they seem like the kind of band i would like to 
have heard of (if that made any 1sense)   i don't mind if i haven't heard 
the latest britney or steps offering but they seem like a proper band with 
proper instruments and they've even been in the NME so why no airplay? man, 
i'm campaigning for a band i've never heard, so i'll stop and campaign for a 
band i *have* heard...

...but i carnt think of anybody worth mentioning at the mo, 'cept belle and 
sebastian, heard of them?, i hear they're touring soon, you should all go 
see them (like there's any chance of *that* not happening)



OOOOH  thought of one, calexico.
fantastic
zoe charaktinou said she'd ordered the new album, have you got it yet? 
what's it like?
mark and lard have been playing the new single constantly.

i saw them at the leeds festival during the summer.  after crowd surfing to 
the gloriously triumphant primal scream, who were second last to oasis on 
the final night, i shot off up the hill to the tiny little tent where the 
new bands played (partly to miss the *dire* oasis) and cought the first two 
songs calexico played but i had to leave coz the sweatline round my neck was 
actually around my waist and the soundcheck took forever and standing in a 
draughty tent wearing soaking clothes is not good for your health and i 
couldn't hear coz of my chattering teeth and i thought hypothermia was 
coming on, (but *only* those reasons) i went back to the campsite to get 
warmed up by the fire.
i liked the irony of my choice of clothing that night, my bright red 'kill 
all hippies' t-shirt and a pair of huge mud-encrusted flares.

somebody mentioned harry potter. if you havent read the books yed then do so 
now.
the first book was reprinted with a more adult cover coz so many people were 
reading it on the train to work or whatever and were getting embarassed by 
the kids cover.



i liked the touches that teletext gave the interview with stuart, stuff like 
'ease your feet into the music news, page 563' and 'i could be dreaming of 
the charts, page 567' completely naff but funny all the same




the meek shall inherit the earth.  but then we'll sell if for a fortune, buy 
mars and rename it 'the fantabulously red planet of fun, fun and belle and 
sebastian'.



bye
pez*

www.pez.com - the wonderful world of pez ;0)

ivorytowers.8m.com - ivory towers records

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From belle_sebastian at xxx.br  Fri Feb 23 16:44:17 2001
From: belle_sebastian at xxx.br (Leonardo Pereira)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:44:17 GMT-3
Subject: Sinister: Girl No. 12
Message-ID: <3a969361.5013.0@brfree.com.br>


SO WHAT????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>Just now I saw a girl sitting next the road that goes through my campus with

>a bottle of water in her hand. She looked sad. I don't think she was waiting

>for a lift or she'd have been waiting at the car park and she was no-where

>near the bus stop. She certainly wasn't enjoying the sun because it was cold

>and windy and if she was enjoying being outside she would have looked
>happier. If she was just being depressed she could have done so inside where

>it is warm. I'm going back down the same path now, I'm not sure if she'll be

>there.
>
>I am scared of everything.
>
>Peter
>
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From Gpallis at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 23 17:10:46 2001
From: Gpallis at xxx.uk (The Boy G)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:10:46 -0000
Subject: Sinister: The whole "boxers or briefs" debate is madness. How can you wear tight jeans with boxers?
Message-ID: <001801c09dbb$f39be7e0$aa167bd5@oemcomputer>

Last night, I dreamt I was snogging a listee. No, I'm not going to tell you
who. It was not Mark Casarotto.

Spaced series two in less than twenty hours, this is good, this is very
good. The trailers look amazing. Samantha Mumba can't dance and mimes on her
records, and she isn't even pretty, so why isn't it me singing "Always come
back to your love" on 'Steps 2 The Stars' and being a pop-miniceleb? No
fair.

Are you expecting funniness from this, this list message by Greg? Don't get
too hopeful. It's two in the morning. Here are some amusing things, to make
up for the lack of amusing things in the e-mail to come. Oh, there will be a
few, perhaps even several, in the long and rambling text, but these things,
these things immediately below, they are created by other people. These
other people, who created these things, they are funny. Funny people. Funny
little man, ahahaha! I stamp on your head! Squish! Now you funny little man
with mushed up head, ahahaha! *Ahem*

I) What do you get if you cross a reluctant agnostic, an insomniac and a
dyslectic? Someone who stays up all night tossing and turning, worrying
about whether there's a dog.

II) Yesterday, police arrested two youths. One had been drinking battery
acid, the other had been eating fireworks. They charged one and let the
other off.

III) This site features German men having sex with melons:
http://www.einsames-vergnuegen.at/melone/index.htm

I told Ken's "What's red and runs at mirrors? Red Bull" joke to someone, and
they nearly fell over laughing. Respect, Ken.

Two people mailed sini to say that the Final Fantasy games were not shit. By
my calculations, over one thousand people did not mail this list to say that
the Final Fantasy games were not shit. Guys, you're lovely and no doubt
well-coiffured, but you know, I could probably find more than one in five
hundred people who thought Toploader were not shit. What does this say about
the Final Fantasy games? Yes, it says that they are worse than Toploader.

Actually, since I've seen the webpages of obssessional FF fans, and they
fill me with fear and terror, and because I'm easily tracable from 192.com
and thus correspondingly You Know Where I Live, I'm going to drop this
debate now. You can carry it on if you really really want to.

In fact, it's been quite the Thursday for replying to Gregcomments.

Steven Kado claimed he types things like "elements of a mass culture
based on a set of aesthetics not a set of immutable values" after seventeen
'Swiss Cottage Sudberries' (6 parts vodka, one part Schweppes, two parts Red
Bull, one part cucumbers). I believe his exact phrase was "hamfisted drunken
rants". When I am drunk, I type things like "I am durnk", "No, actally I
thikn I am sobe nw" and "Hum, Ishoulfd prbolably sleep".  Conclusions -
Monsigneur Kado is clever, Monsigneur Kado is especially clever when it
comes to critiques of No Logo, Monsigneur Kado can hold his booze and also,
Monsigneur Kado is modest. However, he is not as modest as Christiaaaaan,
who daintily declined to directly praise his genetalia with: "Hopefully
Puffy won't be around this time. He's always trying to grab my weiner. It's
so annoying. I mean, he has his own! What's he need mine for?". His,
Christiaaaaaan, are simply not as prettily shaped as yours. Why'd you think
think Ms. 'Lo dumped him? And does anyone else reckon that J.Lo might well
be the sister/wife/daughter/mother of a certain S.Lo, Skee to his friends. A
classic one-hit wonder, of course, but "Holding On" by his Lo-ity is
surprisingly tolerable.

Two possibly overlapping people also mentioned Robot Wars, in a disparaging
way. I can't really work up the energy to praise Robot Wars in the same way
that I become suddenly energized to slam Final Fantasy games (especially
those unavoidable, random, frequently-plot-incompatible, tiring,
why-can't-I-see-them-approaching-on-the-fucking-screen, pointless,
oh-did-I-mention-the-terrible-combat-system, boring,
infight-background-graphics-not-normally-connected-by-anything-more-than-the
-most tenous-thread-to-the-current-game-situation-type fights that are
practically the only way to get to a half-tolerable experience level in FF7
and indeed virtually every other one of that terrible series. I really hate
those. Other RPGs use little clever subquests for the same purpose, but I
guess that takes game design effort...) so, I'll just say: Robot Wars is not
for everyone. It is for silly little immature boys. I am a silly little
immature boy. Thank you.

(Listen to Iron Maiden bay-bee, with me...)

'Cor, this is getting a bit Isobel Lark, no? Frenzied defensiveness,
non-existant insults... Next thing I'll be claiming you lot always wanted to
kick me off the list, 'cos you knew Honey fancied me and were jealous or
something....

Why is 'Fight Song' by Marilyn Manson at No.19 in the charts when Limp
Bizkit goes to number one? It even features in that genuinely fab Mary Anne
Hobbes Radio One Show ad....when are Radio One DJs going to walk through MY
educational compound giving out free records? As long as its not bloody Jo
Whiley. Is it Wiley or Whiley?

Sudden adolescent-Sini-boy-type thought: If I ever get to meet a pwetty and
suitably aged girl with a greater propensity to evil than myself, I'm like
90% sure I'll end up developing a desperate crush on her, which would in
fact be the first desperate-type of my entire life, thus far, which isn't
very impressive, come to think of it. This is probably a bad thing. I know
I'd be very, very hesitant to go out with me, let alone someone with even
less accord for others... That was originally relevant to the Ruvi debate,
but was edited to remove all the lies, and hence lost aforementioned
relevance. Just so you know...

Rinaldo called Infinite Jest the only 1500 page book you'll want to read
three times. Rinaldo is correct. He is not exagerrating, either.
Sinisperines, please, read Infinite Jest. Rin (or others), is that line
about "the only's child fascination with sibling incest" from I.J. or not?
It's been stuck in my head all day, and I can't remember.

Listening to Leonard Cohen makes me feel somehow dirty... I really shouldn't
be liking things from The Past. It's childhood nostalgia, being seven and
unambigously happy, watching WWF wrestling on mute while "Everybody Knows"
or something by Joan Baez or The Doors sort of glided through the hi-fi, and
in the background the grown-ups played advanced Dungeons and Dragons. They
taught me to play it too, which is why I really do get terribly offended
when someone says something like "crawl back to the computer engineering
building in yr semen stained track suit dreaming of your next chance to
listen to music about trolls and gobblins and shit with your other
dandruff-y friends". Not at the slagging off of role-players, because if
you've never been a serious D&D-er, you can't even /imagine/ how pathetic it
can get, and anyway, I saw the light and stopped years ago. But it's quite a
harmful stereotype, and one that it does no good to perpetuate. Perhaps it's
no worse than me calling Stereophonics fans stupid or badly dressed, but
outside of the confines of M.I.T/Milan fashion academies, no-one was ever
beaten up on suspicion they were stupid or badly-dressed. Mainly, though, I
just don't like the implication I have dandruff :P

Y'know in #Sinister when people play ACRO? That's the best game ever, I'm
thinking. There was a running acro joke about Ken fucking rabbits on
Wednesday - that's Entertainment, kids.

Why is this a long post? This was meant to be a short post. Oh baby, I just
can't control mah fingers.

Wu Tang is a sea that I've travelled in....
    Greg


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From Stuart.Gardiner at xxx.uk  Fri Feb 23 18:00:20 2001
From: Stuart.Gardiner at xxx.uk (Gardiner, Stuart)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:00:20 -0000
Subject: Sinister: There's a band on every corner, but I'm not in one. I hate 3 out 
	of every 4 of them, but I haven't got a gun.
Message-ID: <03754DDCC645D311AA6700805F854E4302775485@lotus.ntu.ac.uk>

OK, let me just say this: the reason I don't like Coldplay isn't because
they're popular, it's because I think their music's shit. I disliked them
when I first heard them, and have ever since. If you disagree with me, who
cares? You can listen to them, I won't.

Let's face it, noone would seriously dislike a band just becuase they were
in the charts, we're not indie music snobs here, as has been proven time and
time again over the last 3 1/2 years. After all, B&S are a Top 20 band now,
and we're not all going round burning their CDs because of it. I don't give
a toss what label a band are on, or what they look like, or how many times
they've appeared doing in-store appearances at HMV, so long as the songs are
good - that's not too much to ask is it?

It's getting like Manchester United fans complaining that the reason the
rest of the country hates them is because we're jealous of their success,
when really we just think they're arrogant and bad losers and their manager
is a tosser.


Anyway, in other news, I notice that NME.com have got another exclusive
article about B&S on their site at the moment. Even if it is suspiciously
similar to the Teletext interview from a few days ago...


Two and a half hours is a bloody long film.

Big Stu
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From littleblackfox at xxx.com  Fri Feb 23 22:37:30 2001
From: littleblackfox at xxx.com (Jules Markham)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:37:30 -0000
Subject: Sinister: re; leonardo periera is a meanie
Message-ID: <F258uZ1g2avcjT1uV8T00016516@hotmail.com>

Hey!
Dont be so mean to other listers!
I for one was touched by that mail about the lonely girl, and didnt need 
such a discompassionate, sour and downright rude response like that!
somebody slap leonardo's wrist and send him to the back of the class!
jules
(who's been working 11-hour shifts all week at the shop and is well and 
truely knackered)
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From mayfly_ at xxx.net  Fri Feb 23 23:45:12 2001
From: mayfly_ at xxx.net (Rachel Haase)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 07:45:12 +0800
Subject: Sinister: the scenery and fish...they're bad
Message-ID: <20010223234512.61513.qmail@graffiti.net>

well, my oh my, what a traumatizing week.
  First i was notified that my email account was going going gone as the website with such a cool domain name (Z.COM) was closing.  So i had to switch over... but Honey was so very nice and let me out of the nursery right away so here i am writing a fourth meaningless post.
  And then there is the sweet, funny, nice boy who tells us lowly first year theatre students what to do when ushering... i was beginning to have such a junior high school crush on him, and then i found out today that he is gay.  I should've known.  He dressed too well.
  That's about it for specific traumas, although general ones have just included homework, costume labs, lack of money and worries over the future.  Jobs for the summer, applications and auditions for next year, the possibility of a trip to europe in september, which of course goes back to the lack of money which goes back to the jobs question.... 
  
Well, it has been a pleasant week in some aspects too.  Tuesday my friend and i skipped our afternoon classes and went to Butchart gardens where the nice gatekeeper boy let us in for free. (It wasn't very busy.)  So we wandered around and did fun things and took pictures and felt like tourists even though we live only a few miles away.  

And i've bought one of those lovely terra cotta rings that go around lightbulbs - you put them in your lamp and add a few drops of scented oil and presto.. my room smells lovely, like lavendar and spices.  It disguises the musty dorm odor.

I have made it a resolution to see B&S in concert one day in the next two years.  So if they tour the US, i will take a bus and make a road trip out of it... if they tour canada i will be in seventh heaven but it's just simply not going to happen... most likely it will just be another reason to take my trip to europe.

MORE CONTENT: i was out buying fabric today for a vest we have to make in costumes, and i was looking at the button rack and i found two lovely little BUS BUTTONS!!!  They look just like the t-shirts! So that was my impulse buy for the day.  Yesterday it was chocolate. But chocolate isn't really an impulse; it's a reflex.

As for the obligatory "look at all the cool music i've been listening to" paragraph (hehe, just thought i'd add my 2cents to the hopefully-defunct music-snob debate), i've gotten really into hefner lately.  Yesterday i played "we love the city" over and over.  I love that song, and "Normal Molly".  also liz phair and neutral milk hotel.  and 3...6...9 seconds of light.  4 wonderful songs.  especially le pastie de la bourgeoisie.

oh dear.  my friend alex found a page in the campus music review paper and cut out the "symptoms of music snobbery" article and handed it to me with the instructions to put it up on my wall.  i think he gets tired of asking me what's in my discman and me telling him the name of a)some band he's never heard of... again, or b)belle & sebastian... again.

well, that's it for me for now - time to go find my black clothes and head to the theatre.  
Love, 
Rachel (previously mayfly at z.com)

"hoping is out of style, so look happy, it's the end of the world"
                                                  -Matthew Good Band


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From sleeper at xxx.com  Sat Feb 24 01:13:39 2001
From: sleeper at xxx.com (vu sleeper)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 1:13:39 GMT
Subject: Sinister: B&S Gig at Glasgow Uni
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From bellezc at xxx.com  Sat Feb 24 01:45:10 2001
From: bellezc at xxx.com (zoe charaktinou)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 01:45:10 
Subject: Sinister: Re:B&S Gig at Glasgow uni
Message-ID: <F186MJop8PgMDGR1g1T0000dfb8@hotmail.com>

DAMN!!!!

i knew i should've gone to Glasgow uni...
oh!what merciless fate is that i have been granted with?
(trying to go with the shakespearian flow of words here...hmmm....it needs 
more work...)

anyway,as a fellow listee said,
"i'm green with envy"..

love ya loads,zoe xxx

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Subject: Sinister: B&S Gig at Glasgow Uni


>There is going to be a 'secret' gig at Glasgow Uni this week by Belle and
>Sebastian to support Struan's rectorial campaign.  Tickets are FREE.
>However there are only 200 tickets and you must be a matriculated student.
>
>But read it and weep: B&S gig in Glasgow this week.  B&S, not Struan but
>B&S.
>
>
>Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
>
>I'm sorry Honey, this didn't take 15 minutes to write but I thought that,
as
>the Sinister Junior Reporter, I should keep everybody informed.
>
>
>Sinister Junior Reporter (as appointed by Miss Honey),
>
>David.
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From snowyminor at xxx.com  Sat Feb 24 02:49:25 2001
From: snowyminor at xxx.com (Michelle R.)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:49:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: 5 hours of Sleep
Message-ID: <20010224024925.31319.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com>

Well someone's been listening to Stevie Nicks...
  I recently heard Hope Sandoval's (and her Warm
Inventions)song "Charlotte." Really sweet song. When
it comes to her though, she can sing crappy O-Town
covers and it'll still sound good ;) 
(By the way, I promise this is the first and last time
I'll mention O-Town).
  2 1/2 hours for a film doesn't phase me one bit.
Keep in mind- that's 2 1/2 hours of B&S music we're
getting, instrumental or not.
  And have you seen Warhol's "Sleep?" Pah! 2 1/2 hours
is a walk in the park. 
  With all the scholarly essay talk I remembered my
uni placement exam. They asked us to write an essay on
who we think would be a good person to bring to the
uni and speak w/the students. I then commenced to
write 2 pages of "patter under pressure" about Stuart
David. I wrote that he would be good because he would
relate to students in various majors: music, art, lit.
etc etc. I probably wrote it on him because I had
finished reading Nalda Said. Oh I also wrote something
really daft(cant remember the exact words) about how
he would even relate to comp sci. students because he
does the Looper website. 
  The frontman from Wheatus scares me. He reminds me
of some freak combination between a Hobbit and Harry
Potter. Anyway...how adorable is Rachel Goswell! Never
realized how small she was..but my oh my that wee
woman can sing so sweet. She said she liked my coat, I
was about to say how I liked her jumper but instead I
just smiled/half giggled and said "oh thanks." I
barely heard myself though. I should learn to speak
louder.

mmmitten

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From littleblackfox at xxx.com  Sat Feb 24 16:19:05 2001
From: littleblackfox at xxx.com (Jules Markham)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:19:05 -0000
Subject: Sinister: a little bit of news with a ham handed B&S segue
Message-ID: <F56QYZkxOjmfCHJr1Wt00004d30@hotmail.com>

helloo
I have somewhere to live now, and it's really nice! I went with my beloved 
mikey today to look at it, and it's big and bright and gorgeous, and my room 
is small and cute and astonishingly cheap! at last, somewhere for my clothes 
and books and belle and sebastian records!
When Mike left to go to work, Jo scrunched up her face all smiling and happy 
and said
'He's reeeeeally sweeet!'
must go make some food
jules
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From ruvi at xxx.com  Sun Feb 25 02:53:15 2001
From: ruvi at xxx.com (Ruvi Simmons)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 02:53:15 -0000
Subject: Sinister: The sun's been quite kind, when I wrote this song.
Message-ID: <000f01c09ed6$1e75cb00$6700000a@infotrek.co.uk>

There has, of late, been considerable talk of Belle and Sebastian's
impending releases and tour, which is hardly surprising, and which I, too,
am excited by. In fact, excited is too listless a word; the sort one may use
to describe a fun fair atrtactions, a little one trill ride, an artificial
rub with death. Was it exciting for Siegfried Sassoon to go over the top,
deafened by the sound of machine guns and sickened by the smell of the blood
of his dying friends? I doubt it. Let us condemn the word excited to be used
to describe shallow, meaningless pleasure, and select another (I apologise
for using the Royal form of address, but I consider it to be the writer's
domain no less than that of an ill-educated so-called ruling family).
Paroxysms of delight. How's that? Yes, I think it shall suffice.
Nevertheless, despite all this talk of Belle and Sebastian, what about the
AC/DC concert at the Milton Keynes Bowl in June? How about that for
excitement? Angus in his schoolboy outfit, the chap who isn't Bon Scott in a
flat cap screeching about American thighs, the explosions, the Highway to
Hell! My heart flutters at the prospect.

There, that is my preamble out of the way. It is not without some
trepidation that I begin, you see. I was somewhat cowed by the rather
unpleasant response to my observation regarding pretty girls. I found it
interesting, however, that no one declared with pride that they weren't
blessed with good looks or other such intrinsic attributes, but have
striven, pained themselves, for a little shred of decency, intellectual
prowess and emotional sensitivity. Nobody declared that these are things far
more important than this flesh of ours, which is rotting even as we preen
and powder ourselves in vain attempts to retain its rosiness. But I do not
want to open yet another can of nasty little worms with more inflammatory
remarks. However, I shall thank Mr. Thatchez for his kind words and for
bothering to understand what I had written.

I fear that, once more, I have said too much. I should take Thomas Hardy's
advice and resolve to say no more but, I think, it was easier for him to do
so as a man in his eighties, regretting mistakes, enfeebled by the ravages
of time and unable to rage against the world he lived in with the vigour he
still felt beating in his old heart. Besides, people do not easily give up
on life, struggle and the weight of words still unsaid. I would like to tell
a little anecdote which bears far wider relevance than merely struggling to
evade the mantle of the apologist, that speaks about the depths of human
resolve. Henrik Ibsen, in his dotage, suffered a catastrophic stroke which
deprived him of the capacity to read and write. His son, who was also his
nurse of sorts, went in to see him one day, and found he was seated in the
conservatory, wrapped up in a blanket to protect his frail body from the
cold. Before him, on a tray, were pieces of paper and a text book intended
to teach children literacy. Henrik Ibsen, on the verge of death, robbed of
everything, reduced to the level of child, was beginning again. He was
trying to re-learn everything he had lost. He looked up at his son and said,
"I used to be a writer, you know".

Since suddenesss can be the breeding bround for ambiguity, and ambiguity
fuel for imagination, and imagination the gilt of life, I shall end with
leaving more unsaid than said,

Ruvi.

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From ynoh at xxx.edu  Sun Feb 25 05:54:35 2001
From: ynoh at xxx.edu (Youn J. Noh)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:54:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: No, silly!  Nothing on the page really *happens*.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.04.10102240240140.15888-100000@julius.ling.ohio-state.edu>

Hi Sinister,

> If you like someone, go out with them and do things people who
> like each other do. If you dont, then don't.

How can this be until the things we like about people in this way attain
the status of things we like about people?  Until the things we do to show
that we like people in this way attain the status of things we do to show
we like people?  

Last last October when M visited N, P, and I while we were living in
R's house (that's when he went into the back garden and pointed out the
lavender and dill), he was eager enough to examine N's books but either
from an excess of decorum or a lack of interest didn't bother to look at
mine.  Decorum must have at least had some part of it because upon gaining
the upper part of the house he looked away from the door left open to my
room.  And even though he is good friends with P, he didn't look at her
books either, though at that point I'm not certain she had them unpacked.
Yet in the office, he and his best friend S make stiff unnatural jokes
full of innuendo.  (In every other way, he seems faultless.  It's true
that he's proud, but justifiably so, like Darcy.  But it doesn't matter
because I'm leaving.  In memory, it will be as real as something read
in a book.)

In the interview for the rectorial campaign, it was nice to read about
Stuart's experiences at Glasgow University and how he thought it might
help him help others.  He could have helped Franny.  Zooey's mannerisms
annoy me.  He is not spiritual.

I like this expression "I don't rate so-and-so".  Indifference, for
example, is worse than another lover.  But when (s)he's feeling holy it
could mean something else - no presuppositions - a blank slate - no, (s)he
doesn't rate anything!

Let Franny preserve the illusion of herself as the "languid sophisticated
type" if it keeps her fear that she will compete from turning into a fear
that she cannot compete.  I have the feeling that Salinger means for us to
think that the illusion will only be necessary until Franny turns into a
younger version of Boo Boo, full of grace but with no place, really, in a
story, just one of those standing in the wings.  He let us know in so many
words that she isn't brilliant, impressionable and tenderhearted is all.
(How much does that count for in your book?)

Back in September of '97, the duke wrote, "new Sea and Cake record is
astonishingly good," which would be relevant today, and would have been in
'93 and '95 as well.  From the programming of the drums on "the argument"
to the "oohs" and "aws" on "Showboat Angel" to the arc of the cello
overlaid with the swoon of the violin on "Parasol" - the Sea and Cake
manage to sound nonchalant and soulful and oh, so pretty by turn, and
sometimes all at once.  And with titles like "Bring My Car I Feel to Smash
It" and "A Man Who Never Sees A Pretty Girl That He Doesn't Love Her A
Little", they have the wit and archness to fend off session musicians and
academics alike.  (Sorry for sounding like a third-rate reviewer for AMG;
it's just that trying to sound convincing and get in important details
made it turn out that way.)

Yours truly,
Youn




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From tmalone3 at xxx.net  Sun Feb 25 08:44:59 2001
From: tmalone3 at xxx.net (tmalone3 at xxx.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:44:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: All I ever wanted, is all I never knew
Message-ID: <200102250842.IAA18982@missprint.org>

First off, mad props and brownie points to those who can name the
musical reference in the title.

Boy G seems to have found a way to mention Leonard Cohen and Marilyn
Manson in the same email, very admirable.  He is right though, Mr. Cohen
has some very naughty lyrics ("give me crack, anal sex, find the only
tree thats left, and shove it up the whole in your culture").  They're
all so wonderful though.  I just love Leonard Cohen.  I wish I could
find the original 4-tracks of his albumns though, cause I think they
would be absolutely fab without the bloody awefull backup singers. 
Just as a word of warning to any aspiring Leonard Cohen fans, it is
much better (and safer) to get a mix tape from somebody who is already
a fan.  There is so much good Cohen music, but also, so much really
 stupid sounding Cohen music.  It isn't that the lyrics are bad, just
that the background music and singers are. Then there are songs like
"everybody knows" and "Take this waltz". 

As to the Final Fantasy debate, I've only played a couple of the games
and I found them mildly entertaining, nothing great though.  The only
truly great role playing games (or any computerized games for that
matter) are the games in the Ultima series (specifically 4-7).  The only
games that keep track of your karma, and won't let you win if you don't
keep up your karma.  Also, in number 4, there was no final bad guy, you
just went on a sort of spiritual quest. 

B&S might tour!  Yeah!  They'll probably never come to Washington, but
oh well.  The new singles are exciting, though I must say, Legal Man is
my least favorite Belle & Sebastian recording. I held off so long, but
I finally got it, and now I kind of think I was right to hold off.  Not
that it is bad, but it really didn't come close to what I've expected
of B&S.  Who am I to judge though.

-- 
Tim Malone

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From Daf_Moore at xxx.com  Sun Feb 25 09:58:05 2001
From: Daf_Moore at xxx.com (David Moore)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:58:05 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Had To Hear About Your Danish Boyfriend/I Forced A Swoon
Message-ID: <000001c09f11$b44735c0$f19b01d5@default>

Hi All,

Jenowl, you can get F-word T-shirts from sweary Peacock Johnson's website
here:

http://www.treehouse.clara.net/TznShirts.html

You decide whose name accompanies the word, Stuart David or Mr Johnson
himself (if you're hard enough). His current Thought For The Week spot not
only accuses STuD of rigging polls (no!) but announces:

"I'm on a wee *ucking tour now too, eh? Ha Ha. *ucking magic. Mid April, it
is. 18th in Oxford, 19th in Brighton, 20th in London, 21st in Glasgow, 23rd
in Edinburgh. Something like that. Wherever the *uck they hold that kind of
literate bullshit. Come along and meet me if you get the chance. See if I'm
as handsome in real life. And watch it finally going down between me and
that *unt."


Mark C (for Chest-01)


Mmmm, can't remember much about Sylvia Plath, maybe something about turkey
gizzards.


The Pinefox talked of The Message (an oustanding book with a sexy photo or
two on the cover) & I searched for my copy but can't seem to find it -
anyone know where it is?


Peter, I consider the sub-normal Tommy Iommi riffing strand in the Foxgloves
sound to show the influence of The Lemonheads on The Pinefox's songwriting.
Luckily he didn't pick up on the Charles Manson obsession. Sally & I were
lucky enough to see Evan Dando (mostly detested on this list, sorry for
bringing him up) at Dingwalls the other night & he was great. Just him & his
guitar, playing nearly 30 songs, half of them classics (at least to me) & a
rammed venue singing word perfect with him (including backing vocals) Magic.
I can't see why he thought it was a bad gig.


Koen, there are apparently lots of Felt CD's for sale at www.amazon.co.uk


"'Ll's Belle

Everybody loves you, Llaura Llew
Lllaura Lllew, you're an 'Ll of a gal
We gotta crush on you, Llllaura Llllew
We rely on you to namecheck your pals"


Arab Strap's Red Thread & the re-issued All Things Must Pass gleam in their
cases waiting to be listened to today. I hope they're good.


I wish I was a Glasgow Uni student. <sigh>


Love,

David Moore
Chelmsford, UK

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From vanessa.siegl at xxx.at  Sun Feb 25 11:31:59 2001
From: vanessa.siegl at xxx.at (Vanessa Roseline Siegl)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:31:59 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Out of the dark ...
Message-ID: <3A98ED2F.E9F888E9@uibk.ac.at>

hi ....

I very rarely post here. I often feel like it but my words look daft
on the screen
and often get binned before I even write them.

I like Leonard Cohen. I wouldn't call myself a fan ..
I have a live recording and various "collections of his best songs"
And a few songs my friend taped for me.
I love Take This Waltz.

A radio guy here (who announced over the radio that I was an old
listener and over 40
because he had only skim read the mail I sent him which mentioned
someone born in 1952) thinks
Everybody Knows is the worst Cohen song ever. I disagree

The thing about differences in musical tastes Jordi posted is
interesting.
So what "creates" musical tastes in a person?
How come a song that touches one person leaves the other so called or
even annoys them?

How come I rarely listen to music these days although I should?

I went out last night but it wasn't the same anymore ...
A couple of years ago I would have loved it. Glam night. Pulp. Suede.
David Bowie. Lots of androgynous people.
Glitter. Featherboas. But it being a carnival special and me being old
and twisted I couldn't help thinking that everybody would just wash it
off once they got home.

A teenage boy tried to either pull me or make fun of my dancing and
that made me feel so old.
Some man my age kept staring at me cell messaging my friend (the
message did not get through in the end as I had no more money in my
mobile account)
Plus it was so sticky I couldn't breath. Everybody seemed to be
smoking.


I didn't last long. 

have a good sunday.

v/x
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As the silence grows longer
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From boyfreind_in_a_coma at xxx.com  Sun Feb 25 14:24:17 2001
From: boyfreind_in_a_coma at xxx.com (Desmond Torpey)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 06:24:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: norway,flower pots and the sunday times....
Message-ID: <20010225142417.4183.qmail@web1603.mail.yahoo.com>

hello...
...theres still some snow left on the grass from last
nights brief flurry of bizzaro weather...its like
summer outside but the flowerpots are covered...maybe
its the last gasp of winter before *aaaah* spring
comes along at last...this seems to have been the
longest winter ever...things just drag when the sun
sleeps.....
...all this b+s activity is making me giddy..the
teletext interview perhaps unsuprisingly left me
unfulfilled...but as ceefax is the source of most of
my cultural knowledge (i live a sheltered life) i was
rather more pleased to see an interview there rather
than the nme...and new singles as well eh? and a real
life proper tour?...i feel quite flustered....
...speaking of real life proper gigs i played one
myself on thursday...it was..er..interesting... it
didnt turn out quite as we had hoped but most of the
crowd seemed to enjoy it....but i knew most of them so
i dont know whether that counts or not...i suspect
they were being supportive rather than loving...but
i'm sure we'll play again in the near future whether
the general public want us to or not...stubbornness is
one of lifes greatest gifts...
...blimey there are too many albums i want and not
enough money..in fact only enough money for
one...maybe...i suspect it shall be low although the
kings of convenience are vying for my affection..the
article in the sunday times style section the other
week alarmed me though...apparantly they and their
country of origin (i think it was norway) are now the
height of cool...simply eeeeevvverrryyyooonneee is
taking holidays there and simply eeevvveeerryyooonnee
has a copy of their album...this makes me
shudder....the sunday times style section is a hideous
publication and i really shouldnt read it...but i
simply have to be informed that catholicism is now
apparantly cool in high society (a genuine article the
other week)..." but daaahhhllliiinggg anyone who is
anyone will be at confession this sunday
"....sometimes i wonder at the sanity of
journalists...in fact i am in constant amazement at
their stupidity....but this is nothing new...
ta ta!

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From room_30 at xxx.com  Sun Feb 25 15:53:44 2001
From: room_30 at xxx.com (chris perriman)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:53:44 -0000
Subject: Sinister: my karma ran over my dogma
Message-ID: <F107RPmcarcR4ZDgC81000000c8@hotmail.com>

desmond:

...theres still some snow left on the grass from last
nights brief flurry of bizzaro weather...its like
summer outside but the flowerpots are covered...maybe
its the last gasp of winter before *aaaah* spring
comes along at last...this seems to have been the
longest winter ever...things just drag when the sun
sleeps.....


it was great last might, sitting im my darkened bedroom staring out of the 
window at the flurries of snow past the streetlamp opposite, changing 
direction on the merest whim, sigur ros travelling from vinyl to tape via 
speakers as a gift to a friend who's moving to australia on tuesday before 
starting uni at oxford in the autumn, lucky bastard. my thoughts and worries 
easily drifted away with the snow but they'll be there waiting for me as it 
melts away in a couple of days just leaving dirty slush by the edges of 
roads and sleeples nights to contend with. i suppose he'll miss summer here 
and get three winters in succession but australian winters aren't famed for 
their harshness.  this morning the flowers were just poking through the 
remains of last night's weather in the park.  spring must be on it's way as 
the cycle of anticipation continues, i really want summer to be here, 
daylight lasting longer and not having to wear a jacket every time i leave 
the house, but i will feel the exact opposite as autumn starts kicking in as 
i did last year and the year before that.

has this taken 15 minutes?, i think so
is there any content?, none at all

tough luck
see you later
pez*




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From JENOWL22 at xxx.com  Sun Feb 25 17:39:30 2001
From: JENOWL22 at xxx.com (JENOWL22 at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:39:30 EST
Subject: Sinister: Purple purple la la la la purple
Message-ID: <cd.2d1c085.27ca9d52@aol.com>

Hewwo,

Have you ever noticed how all the best things in the world are purple? Like 
Ribena, and Shy Violet from Rainbow Brite. And my new tights. 

I went to Braehead shopping centre yesterday. It wasn't that much fun, we got 
lost on the way there and my parents had a huge row about it. Then we stopped 
off and asked a Stagecoach driver where it was, and he told us we were 60 
miles away from it, which was a lie, cause we were actually only half an 
hour's drive. But then. that's Stagecoach for you.

But I had to sit with my little brother, and he's a moke. He's only 16 months 
younger than me, but he has a mental age of six. He kept saying about how he 
wanted to join the IRA, so he didn't need to do any exams, cause he'd just be 
killing children, and he was being serious. Then he kept taking his ear wax 
out and showing me it, and flicking it about the car, and eating it and 
stuff, and my dad went off on a radge, cause he gets so annoyed when my 
brother acts up.

But Braehead was all full of hard kids shops, mostly, so I spent quite a lot 
of time in the Games Workshop, because they had all the new high elf cavalry 
in. And I bought purple tights, and a purple shirt, and a purpley red dress, 
because I like purple. It's weird cause I look really ugly in purple, but I'm 
addicted to it. Purple...

And in the evening, I went to see Hannibal. I got in, and everything, even 
though it's an 18 and i'm only 15. But I had to leave half an hour into the 
film, because it was pretty sick. Cause I wasn't too sure what it was all 
about, except that it was a guy who kills people, as I haven't seen silence 
of the lambs. I'm not that bothered about blood and guts and gore and stuff 
on films, usually, cause I can just sit and go "oh well". I thought the 
Exorcist was really funny, and I made really silly comments all through What 
Lies Beneath. 

But it wasn't all the scariness that bothered me, or the gore (cause remember 
that I'm the girl that people who don't like me send pictures of dead 
mutilated babies to), but it just made me feel sick that people paid money to 
go and enjoy that, even though it wasn't real. It was kind of depraved, or 
something. Anyway, I let my friends think it was cause I was a wuss. They 
wouldn't have understood moral objection. They think I'm a freak cause I 
won't get on Stagecoaches. 

I got a 2 in one of my prelims. I'm so ashamed. What if I get a 2 in my 
standard grades, that would be a pure nightmare. 

My teacher wasn't happy about my discursive essay. I chose about why gay 
people shouldn't get spat on and why cardinal winning is a stupid Nazi with 
something that crawled up his big celibate arse and died. Only in better 
English. And with more references to politics and stuff. She wasn't happy, 
cause i go to a catholic school, you see. She said it was a rant. But i 
didn't see Richard the Nazi getting a fail for his essay entitled "Why 
Homosexuals are an Affront to Society and Should be Put Down". And it's just 
a small point, but why is it so bad to call Cardinal Winning "Mr Winning"? Do 
I really have to bow down at his feet and call him "The Almighty Lord Most 
High of the Church Oh Mr Infallible We All love You You Are Such a 
Smartypants and We Completely Agree that Gays are Evil and George Bush is a 
Fit Leader of America"? I didn't really think so either. And I don't bluddy 
like my RE teacher either.

Ian's coming up to stay in April. It's going to be grate.

I was dancing to Le Pastie de la Bourgouisie just there, but I didn't realise 
that the Hard Kids could see in my window. I went red.

I know the dead parrot sketch off by heart.

I really want to get Final Fantasy 9, but my Playstation's dead at the 
moment. I have FF7 and FF8, and they're well good. FF7 has a better plot, but 
FF8 isn't anime, so you can take it seriously. But the system with the GF's 
is easier in FF7.

*Warning, another rant about James the Ginger perv*
 Getting into Final Fantasy is the only good thing that came out of being 
friends with James the giner perv. The him forcing himself on me part was 
less fun, as was the him putting condoms in my bag for my mum to find, and 
him breaking my bra, and him phoning me up all the time begging for phone 
sex, and him thinking he could do all this and it was ok because he is 
actually a god-like mage lord guy who is trapped in human form until the 
forces of chaos restore him to his rightful position as leader of the mortal 
realm. That part was less good. Why do my friends and boyfriends always end 
up as either rapists, sadists, stalkers, mormons or nutjobs?

Anyway, that's my moaning about James the Ginger Perv done for today. I never 
get tired of bitching about him. 

Ok, bye bye.

Hugs,
Jen
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From wpsalt at xxx.com  Sun Feb 25 18:17:01 2001
From: wpsalt at xxx.com (Will Salt)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:17:01 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: dark buildings
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102251719410.2353-100000@candle.btinternet.com>


working at the library today as it was closing; all the lights were off
and the building was dark throughout.  it's a big building, and in the
middle everything was completely black.  in the distance, i could see the
light of the windows filtered past thousands of shelves and millions of
books.  the cosy place was suddenly creepy.  too much information.  too
dark for anything

it made me think. buildings should never be dark.  they should *always*
have some dim light coming somewhere.  to design a building without light
is unnatural.  apart from darkrooms, which are the cosiest, most relaxing
places.

Content: ooh! new singles!

touring makes me nervous, though.  i don't like going to gigs, really.
too many crowds. in dark rooms, as well. but ... on the other hand, how
could i miss it?

To all those of you who are debating which RPG game was the best, i have
just three words to say: The Bard's Tale.  this correspondance is now
closed.  Next week on Sinister-Geek: 10 reasons why C++ is the spawn
of the devil.  Will your band [F]ight or [R]un?

i liked the post about the depressed-looking girl sitting by herself by
the roadside, because i notice those sort of people and want to say
something, but never do.  i never dare to.  

there is one of these events, i particularly remember.  when i had first
moved to scotland and was still in Tourist Mode, i decided to go and
visit the old cemetaries of the city.  i was in the Old Calton Hill
graveyard, which is walled, tiny, quiet and crowded.  nobody else was
there, apart from a girl sat cross-legged on a grave.  she looked as
peaceful as those underneath her; i was embarrassed that i'd disturbed her
privacy.  i looked round the mausoleums in the darker corners of the
ground, and when i emerged she had gone.  maybe she wasn't even there.
hopefully, i'll never forget her.

ghost stories are always the saddest, i feel. well, *real* ghost stories
often aren't actually that interesting, but good ghost stories are as sad
as the girl on her own by the roadside.  stories of dead servant-boys, or
the ghosts of disfigured aristocrat girls trapped in vast country houses.
you know the sort of thing i mean.

i wish i could talk to ghosts.  do something for them.  i cried at the end
of The Sixth Sense, you know.

look, i should go.  i've said too much already.
/me turns out the light.



x

anonymous from grimsby






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From silmaril at xxx.gr  Sun Feb 25 10:24:28 2001
From: silmaril at xxx.gr (Joan of Dark)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:24:28 +0200
Subject: Sinister: A mile and a half on a bus takes  a long time....
Message-ID: <3A98DD5B.2A1D96FC@stargate.gr>

...indeed it does.......
especially sometimes.......like some 2 days ago.....

I was sitting at my favourite seat on the bus, at the far end, by the
window, lost in my own troubled thoughts ......
Reading Kerouac's "On the Road".....
For weeks now I've been reading it virtually "on  the road" since I only
have time to read it on buses.
Riding from one miserable place to the other.
>From home to Uni.
And from Uni back home again.

Trapped in the constipated intestines of this omnivorous beast that
devours us in the mornings, only to throw us up decomposed and numb in
the evenings....
This City.
Its Insanity.
Ours.

I was sitting there on the bus and it was a grey sad morning.
One of those mornings when  everything seems still.
And numb.
When the faces of people around you are like carved on stone......only
harder than usual.
Snuggling up the window and hearing sirens of ambulances and brakes of
cars outside,
I was safe, in my snug little world of personal despair and occasional
paranoia.

When at the next stop, a bum got on the bus.
A young lad, around 25.....skinny , with hollow dark eyes.
Strange.
You could sense everyone getting uneasy.
Old ladies in fake furs and big faux gold earrings. Cool chicks wearing
too much lipstick. Middle aged men reading financial papers. School
kids whose mum has told them never to talk to strangers. Old men that
have fought in their own war, and have surrendered in the end......
You could feel them desperately trying to shut their ears, shut their
eyes
Hear them cough disapprovingly , hoping to  make the sight disappear.
You could sense a big pointing finger being directed from all of them to
the main door of the bus where the Stranger stood.

His words echoing in the void, the immense distance from one passenger
to another.The distance from all of them to him.
Echoing, and resounding, falling on the dusty floor with a muffled sound
and lying there like the kind of thing you only look at with the corner
of your eye , only to die out after a while.

"Do you have some change to spare?"

His feet shuffling and his hands clasped in a grip that made the
knuckles of his fingers white.

"Do you have some change to spare?"

I was on page 158 and the woman next to me was scraping nail varnish off
her middle finger.

"Do you have some change to spare?"

I knew this guy. He usually lurks around my school. Just sits there with
his eyes fixed on his shoe laces.A stray dog often stays by his side. I
usually can't afford to spare even some change. In my pockets you will
only find cancelled bus tickets and candy foils.

"Do you have some change to spare?"

Last night I was paid though.....and today I planned to go and eat some
place instead of wait until I get home in the evening. I had money and I
knew it. And when walking I could hear the coins at the bottom of my bag
ringing.

"Do you have some change to spare?"

He was next to me. And I   f e l t   his eyes on me.
Closed my book and left it on my legs.Buried my hand in my bag striving
to find the stray coins. Carefully placed them in his open hand. Didn't
want to make them ring.

I heard him say thank you. I looked at him and saw it in his eyes.
He looked at my book.
" You're reading that book?" he asked
" Why, have you read it??" I asked, hardly believing it......
" I've lived it"...........
" Read it"
He turned his back and made a few paces towards the door.
He stopped.
" Read it. It will show you...you will understand."
" Read it. And Junky"

The bus doors were wide open with a sudden flap and a ghastly noise. And
he jumped out.

People started moving again. Two old men in the front row started
moaning.
One of them rude, self-righteous, miserable.
The other more polite, compassionate.
" Why should I spare my money and give it to him? Was it  given to me
effortlessly like that? Did I find it in the street?"
" He will now tell us what to read and what not to! Pah! Some person to
give literary advice!"
" Lost soul. Why won't he go to work?"
A young girl decided to add her wise bit right there.......
"And if he doesn't want to work and make money like this, let him die,
he's no good anyway....."
And they went on and on and on...............
Oh girl, oh my bright self appointed ruler........
Oh how these words fell into me like poison.
I was trying to concentrate on my book......but it was no good......
" Is it such a problem to you that I gave him those money? And yes, I
could spare them . I had worked for them and I could spare them." I
said.
And oh how they got enraged.....how I have insulted their stability.
How i was too young to know and how dare I, and who do I think I am and
what do I think I'm doing.And that I am probably just buying him his
next fix........

They thought I didn't know?
Who asked them to save anybody? As a song says: " Not everybody wants to
be saved, not everybody -should- be "
But even this is what they wanted to do, why didn't they even try to?
Oh words are nice and flowing out of our mouths.Oh words.........
And who appointed them to condemn anything or anyone?When we can't even
crawl out of our own pits, each one of -us-?

They were Angry. I tried to defend my reasons. They went on. I ended up
tipping my hat over my eyes and silently crying. It was too much for me
to handle. The sky had started crying anyway over us and I felt I should
accompany the slight tapping of rain on the window on which I was
leaning.What could I possibly say to the old men, one of whom had
already started moaning to a woman that was asking to buy a ticket on
the bus cos she hadn't time to get one before. What could I possibly
say?

" It was old age having a go at youth , that's what it was" , as it says
in Clockwork Orange.

I spent days thinking about this.......
Trying to figure out why I did it.......
I never thought I would do anything great to him by giving him those
few  money.
Never intended to save him.
Never fooled myself with this thought.
Certainly never meaning to buy him his next fix of his drug.
But I thought, he -had- to eat sometime........the same way that he
would have to take his junk into his system. And those few coins would
maybe be the ones that would get him something to eat so as to live on
so to take his junk .
Raw.
But I couldn't possibly do anything else.....

But, if nothing else, I tried to stretch my hand and be with him.Cos for
some reason I felt him.
And I wanted to take myself out of this hateful lot of my fellow
passengers.
Hustled and jostled in our neat public transport that picks us and
leaves us.
Packed in our sardine cans, we gaze at the world with the eyes of the
onlooker and we dare not Experience and Feel.
And we are afraid of Pain.And we titter and giggle and yawn and sneeze,
itch and crave but never make a difference.
We buy our faces with our tickets and wear them in public.
Easy.
Convenient.

Next time I see him I'll talk to him. And that's the best I can do.
Now, that would  b e  a difference.


I'm sorry for taking up your time, this post has nothing to do with
Belle and Sebastian, and no, I wasn't even listening to them while
typing it. Was listening to The Temporary Thing.

Excuse my pestering rants.
Try to make a difference.
But as Will said: " its too dark for anything "


xxx

".........she was 18 and most lovely and lost........."


~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
"the one thing that we yearn for in our living days, that makes us sigh
and groan and undergo sweet nauseas of all kinds, is the remembrance of
some lost bliss that was probably experienced in the womb and can only
be reproduced (though we hate to admit it) in death."

" nothing that frightens 'em more than what they really want"


"On The Road"


http://www.listeningroom.lycos.com/fan/bands/temporarything/Band.html
The Temporary Thing
(Try "Violet" , a song for Isobel )
.....see? i finally managed to cram some B&S content in.

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From cfp at xxx.com  Mon Feb 26 00:22:10 2001
From: cfp at xxx.com (c.f.p.)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:22:10 -0000
Subject: Sinister: why do b & s moments never happen when you want them to?
Message-ID: <000b01c09f8a$2b1566e0$a7a0893e@cfpc>

this is my first post so eeeek please don't frighten me... i'm only ickle...
this post will probably be of no interest to anyone, so i won't be offended
if you hit delete now...

i was going to wait till i had a real b & s moment to talk about before i
posted, but that got me thinking, what would be a good enough moment to post
about?

so i thought and i imagined and i dreamt and before i knew it i was sure
that on saturday night i was going to meet the mystery girl i'd been bumping
into of late and summon up the strength to talk to her...

anyway, i half knew the mystery girl (and had a big crush on her) about 4
years ago... i later found out that she'd had a crush on me at the same
time, but by then i was going out with one of her friends (eeek i know...)

after that i didn't see her for years. she stopped going to the place where
we'd met and disappeared completely. but in the last few months i've seen
her 4 or 5 times and every time i've just managed to stutter a 'hi' and that
was about it. it turned out she was working in a shop in leicester, but now
the shop's closed so once again i have no way of finding her...

i'd only ever seen her once at a club and that was new year's eve at
leicester's indie club so i was hoping that she'd be at brighton beach (a
once far-too-rarely northern soul night) yesterday. i even kinda felt sure
she'd be there (i think i've been listening to far too much b & s and gentle
waves; it's turned me into a smiley heap of loved-up niceness...- does that
count as content honey??)

and i had this dream that the dj would play a b & s record early on while
the dance floor was still quite empty and i'd go to dance and i'd see her in
front of me...

now this dream was not only unrealistic because the girl probably wasn't
going to be there, but because the dj had never (yes NEVER) played any b &
s.

i'd been dancing for a while when i heard those guitar notes, that downwards
arpeggio gubbins those drums... yes it was... OH MY GOD... yeahhhhhh...

she was playing legal man, for a boy who'd never heard any b & s in his home
town this was a tad on the exciting side... for a moment i forgot my mystery
girl and the excitement took over, but later, sitting in the other room,
watching the dancers dancing into their own worlds i remembered.

there was the song, where was the girl?

suddenly everyone was a couple.

they all looked very sweet (my cynicism died when i first heard photo jenny)
but where was the girl i was supposed to be with? alak..

i'd even brought my camera to take a photo of her, my photo jenny (she's not
called jenny, but i'm not 100% sure what she is called so she's been renamed
in my head...)

and that was it my un-belle-and-sebastian-moment...

alone, calm, happy, yet dissapointed, broken...

well anyway... there's my story... i'm impressed you're still reading =)

i'll let you escape from me and my broken-hearted whingeings now

byeeeeeee

love n hugs

tom xxx

p.s. i loved joan of dark's last post :~)

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From dunbare at xxx.net  Mon Feb 26 03:40:37 2001
From: dunbare at xxx.net (Ewan Dunbar)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:40:37 -0500
Subject: Sinister: fold yr. skinny hands, child, you lift them to heaven
Message-ID: <20010225224037.A1949@severin.dunbar.org>

so here I am, excited by everything, excited by the world, frightened and
depressed, and enlightened and impressed by gybe!'s not-so-new-anymore
album.

and gee, i think. aren't "fold your hands child, you walk like a peasant"
and "lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven" varry similar titles
for albums? coincidence? well, what with the close-together times at which
the two records were produced and release, yeah. but it's neat anyway.

furthermore, gybe! say they won't be touring until this summer. from this,
i can conclude that they WILL be touring this summer, or soon thereafter
(although that sort of thing has been misleading before. i like that.

as for belle and sebastian touring, well, that is super-faboo beyond words,
and I can only hope they'll come to canada. they will, of course. at least,
I should hope so. legal man was on the charts for four weeks here, and hit
those charts at number as many. not that they're a household name, either.
I mean, that's a singles chart. and a sales chart at that. so really, since
really there isn't much of a singles market in canada, it doesn't mean
anything, except that a bunch of b&s fans crawled out and bought legal man,
and others did too, but no one ever heard it on the radio for all that! not
here, I mean. not on mainstream radio, I mean. and, oh, how the radio, the
ONLY radio we can get here in stratford, is mainstream. hélas.

and so, where was I going with this? ah, yes. it won't be february 25th for
much longer in this time zone. I give it an hour and fifty minutes. but
while it is, let's feast for Bl. Sebastian. see, I looked in the book of
saints, and sadly I could only find cyril/methodius's feast day listed
under july (june?) 7th, and not on feb 14 as someone said. but on the
internet I found a couple of references to it being on other days. and one
of them was feb 14, so there one goes. But anyway, out of curiosity, I
looked at the list for today, and it said "Bl. Sebastian". Turns out he was
some mexican fellow who died in, iirc, 1600, and i forget why he was
beatified, but that's what the "bl." means. well, it means "blessed", i.e.
he's not St, he's Bl. i'm not a catholicism expert, so i dunno what the
next step after beatification is, that makes you a saint. it says in the
book. two more miracles need to take place, anyway. well, let me tell you
something, popey. IT'S A BLUDDY MIRACLE IF SOMEONE CAN PERFORM _ONE_
MIRACLE AFTER THEY'RE DECEASED. so Bl. Sebastian couldn't pull it off.
well, big whoop. the book says to even get beatified he needed to have
performed two already. come on! two miracles, that's pretty good! and who
knows, maybe he performed a third after he died! well, they should count
that as a miracle then, too! but I'm not complaining. because if he was
made a saint, we wouldn't be able to call him "Bl. Sebastian", now would
we? i don't pretend to understand the whole process.

and by the way, on the subject of our similarly-named friends, do we know
what's to be on these new singles? you know, I just recently heard isobel's
"landslide", and I think that would be a perfect match for the feller who
produced "downtown." what was his name? mike hurst? something like that.
something i should know... anyway, i bet that's on one of them. i mean,
it's perfect for release. it's a neat song. and it sounds so very petula
clarkish indeed.

anyway. one of these days, I'm gonna hear the strains of Blessed Sebastian
On The Radio. and i mean here. on mainstream here radio, and not that I
won't turn the radio right off after, cos everything ELSE on mainstream
radio is mainstream. but i dunno. it's just one of those things, y'know? i
want them to be mainstream, not because i like mainstream, but because i
like being right. that about sums it up. LOOK, THEY'RE GOOD, I TOLD YE SO!
i know what you're going to say. "oh, well, that's not what you should be
thinking. pooh on you, you go about things the wrong way." well, not to be
rude, if you were thinking of saying that, but you shut your mouth; how can
you say? human, loved, and so forth.

anyway, that's my silly post for the day, and there are now about 86
minutes remaining of Bl. Sebastian's feast day. i guess i can say i did
something in honour of him, because i made a Tart In Ymbre Day from The
Forme Of Cury. and i don't know when Ember? Day is, but maybe someone who
knows why that particular Sebastian isn't a St also knows that. and i
didn't have any "raisons" or "corrans", which is a shame, cos it's rather
boring without them. but i made it slightly more interesting, replacing
some of the breadcrumbs with not too bad chese of Chedar.

like ah said, that's my silly post for today. more time has elapsed... mark
your calendars for next year.. or those of you in more westerly time zones,
do something grate for Bl. Sebastian.

here, at last, i go, into the ether...

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From vilkas at xxx.com  Mon Feb 26 05:28:41 2001
From: vilkas at xxx.com (Vilkas D'Angelo-Horvath)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 01:28:41 -0400
Subject: Sinister: norway,flower pots and the sunday times....George W
	 Bush is Satan incarnate.
Message-ID: <200102260620.BAA29562@johnson.mail.mindspring.net>

    Aggrrrhhh Weather.
    Last Wednesday, it was 70 degrees F. On Thursday, it snowed about 5
inches. Friday, it was normal. During the day on Saturday it was in the high
60s. By the evening, it was in the 20s. This is *terrifying*. Hello global
warming anyone? Jesus, it's February, it's supposed to be the month of
nature trying to take humans down. It's supposed to be cold as fuck. All
these delusional people praying for the cold to end. They're crazy.
February:Xtra frosty Cold::August:XtraXtra Hell Hot. At least for this
geographic location. 

    I drank a small cup of chocolate/orange *espresso* drink this afternoon
after spending half the afternoon in a record show (which was not a good
idea to begin with given my willpower against records, but i came out with
cheap yet fab things and not too many of them yaaaay...
...and-I'm-still-W-I-R-E-D----------------------------------------------. 
fuck. And I have to go to work tomorrow morning. Not that early, 8:50 a.m.,
but that's certainly early enough. dammit dammit dammit spazz spazz spazz
rawr rawr rawr rawr spazz rawr spazz rawr spazz rawr spazz spazz

    My cat cought a mouse last night. I'm proud of him, cos he's a good
kitty for catching mice and furthermore it's proof he still has his kitty
instincts. However, he left half (with the tail) of the mouse in my bed as i
slept. Ueeww, gross indeed. Good Morning mouse. Ahhhhhh Siamese & Himalayan.
Thanks for the gift Lou.

So, I've tried different pronunciations and tried to figure it out: what is
"Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa" ?

Wishing for chamomile to work & praying for snow.

                Mwah!, Ms. Vilkas


Content(?): B & S actually stands for Booty & Swerve. Awwww hell. Do the
running man...churn that butter...do the cabbage patch...



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>From: Desmond Torpey <boyfreind_in_a_coma at xxx.com>
>To: sinister at missprint.org
>Subject: Sinister: norway,flower pots and the sunday times....
>Date: Sun, Feb 25, 2001, 10:24 AM
>

>hello...
>...theres still some snow left on the grass from last
>nights brief flurry of bizzaro weather...its like
>summer outside but the flowerpots are covered...maybe
>its the last gasp of winter before *aaaah* spring
>comes along at last...this seems to have been the
>longest winter ever...things just drag when the sun
>sleeps.....
>...all this b+s activity is making me giddy..the
>teletext interview perhaps unsuprisingly left me
>unfulfilled...but as ceefax is the source of most of
>my cultural knowledge (i live a sheltered life) i was
>rather more pleased to see an interview there rather
>than the nme...and new singles as well eh? and a real
>life proper tour?...i feel quite flustered....
>...speaking of real life proper gigs i played one
>myself on thursday...it was..er..interesting... it
>didnt turn out quite as we had hoped but most of the
>crowd seemed to enjoy it....but i knew most of them so
>i dont know whether that counts or not...i suspect
>they were being supportive rather than loving...but
>i'm sure we'll play again in the near future whether
>the general public want us to or not...stubbornness is
>one of lifes greatest gifts...
>...blimey there are too many albums i want and not
>enough money..in fact only enough money for
>one...maybe...i suspect it shall be low although the
>kings of convenience are vying for my affection..the
>article in the sunday times style section the other
>week alarmed me though...apparantly they and their
>country of origin (i think it was norway) are now the
>height of cool...simply eeeeevvverrryyyooonneee is
>taking holidays there and simply eeevvveeerryyooonnee
>has a copy of their album...this makes me
>shudder....the sunday times style section is a hideous
>publication and i really shouldnt read it...but i
>simply have to be informed that catholicism is now
>apparantly cool in high society (a genuine article the
>other week)..." but daaahhhllliiinggg anyone who is
>anyone will be at confession this sunday
>"....sometimes i wonder at the sanity of
>journalists...in fact i am in constant amazement at
>their stupidity....but this is nothing new...
>ta ta!
>
>__________________________________________________
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>Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. 
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From pants at xxx.com  Mon Feb 26 08:35:07 2001
From: pants at xxx.com (Chris Butler)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:35:07 -0800
Subject: Sinister: London music studios & lists?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010226003229.01f7a400@mail.unsurface.com>

okey dokey - no B&S or twee content here.
i'm hoping for a little help with regards
to the london area since we're newbies here...

where can bands practice?  hackney?
do you let by the month or by the hour?

are there any good london-based email lists
for playing bands?

any tips on areas where music-obsessed types
or bands live?

thanks!
chris

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From neil_milton at xxx.com  Mon Feb 26 10:54:06 2001
From: neil_milton at xxx.com (Neil Milton)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:54:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Belle Boy's At it again - typical Daily record Sensationalism
Message-ID: <20010226105406.51501.qmail@web12108.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Guys...

have any of you seen the article on page 16 of today's
daily record?

They are claiming that the free secret gig at Glasgow
Uni is a blatant attempt to win stuart Rectorial
votes.

OK... I suppose on face value it does look like
that...

BUT.. I'm not as cynical as these journalists...

think about it this way...

If you are a belle and sebastian fan who are you most
likely to vote for...?
I mean, OK like myself, you might feel swayed (I mean,
my fav. author is up for the post too) but If you are
a fan you are more than likely to vote for SM, free
gig or not.

Now, if you ARE NOT a B&S fan and you're not intending
to vote for him, you are hardly likely to think to
yourself...

Oh look, a free gig by a band I don't even like.. I
must get to that and then vote for their singer as he
was kind enough to set up a gig for us.

No, you wouldn't would you?...

thus...

The gig, while no doubt trying to secure the votes
that he has already won, is mainly a way to let B&S
play to a dedicated bunch of fans who don't get to see
them NEARLY enough!

The fact that it falls so near to the rectorial
campaign is incidental...

or is it...?

Maybe I'm just too naive...

just a thought..

Neil

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From phil-two at xxx.com  Mon Feb 26 11:18:46 2001
From: phil-two at xxx.com (Phil Two)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:18:46 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Re: A mile and a half on a bus takes a long time....
Message-ID: <20010226111846.KXOH4763.mta06.onebox.com@onebox.com>

---- Joan of Dark <silmaril at stargate.gr> wrote:
> Sinister: A mile and a half on a bus takes a long time....
> ...indeed it does.......

For a long while, I thought they said "Climbing a rope on a bus takes
a long time".  Also, last week, I was so bored that I decided to program
my mobile to have a ringtone of the tune from Looper's "Up a Tree". 
That took a long time too.  

Love,
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From mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 26 11:36:00 2001
From: mbbx9ff2 at xxx.uk (fiona)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:36:00 BST
Subject: Sinister: follow me follow
Message-ID: <1DED0D26037@mail1.mcc.ac.uk>

hey kids,

            having just pressed the delete key far too many times, i 
felt misinformed enough to post.

  i'll dispense with any b+sish content first, namely that i finally 
got high fidelity on video, it was good, my boyfriend was really 
affectioante for once, thinking himself lucky that he had a girl who 
exclaimed at all the same references as him and explained bits of 
p!o!p! history that he wasn't aware of. apparently there aren't many 
girls like that, or mabe they're all just ugly. *joke*

  its a few weeks since i posted last, but i have to tell you that i 
have never had so many responses as when i posted about there being 
pooh in our toilet. thankfully it seemed to disappear of its own 
accord, but i was very grateful for all the advice sent to me.

lesson for the day: if you want to make friends, talk about pooh.

  did anyone see top of the pops on friday, and the mad woman who 
apparently is in the charts (?) and richard blackwood was spurting 
over. she just started making really odd squeaking noises in the 
middle of the song. no-one commented so i assume they were meant to 
be there, but it was the strangest thing i have ever heard.

  jenowl talked about purple. purple is good, particularly purple 
fur, like my bag made from cushion covers which people always laugh 
at.

  someone said 'tidbits' i always thought it was titbits, like the 
bird, as in small bits of food for a bird to eat. but i could be 
wrong.

 i have flu. and the chemist only had lemsip, and not beechams flu 
plus, which is better. but only in blackcurrant flavour. (its purple)

 i served terry christian at work on saturday, i think he saw me 
grinning to myself, as if i recognised him but didn't want to say 
anything and he winked at me as he left. but really i was just trying 
not to laugh at his hair.

   oooh, actually i've thought of something that is kind of content, 
but more self promotion. if any of you are awake between 3 and 7 
o'clock tomorrow (tuesday) morning we will be broadasting on student 
radio 106.2 in the manchester and on the internet at www.fusefm.co.uk 
everywhere else. the reason you should listen is that the lovely 
people at jeepster have sent us the whole b+s back catalogue (except 
modern rock song and legal man for some reason) to give away as a 
prize. so please listen for details of how to win. we should also 
have some other stuff, hopefully including a signed badly drawn boy 
album. even if you're not arsed about winning stuff, please listen, 
it should be good, last week i played baxendale, low, spearmint and 
felt.

 shit i was meant to meet people 5 minutes ago.....
                                                       .... must run,

                  love and irn-bru,
                                       fiona.

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From kittenmouse at xxx.com  Mon Feb 26 11:51:53 2001
From: kittenmouse at xxx.com (Andrea Kittenmouse)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:51:53 -0800
Subject: Sinister: new, improved kittenmouse radio!
Message-ID: <F221x1Dy3riCTVuy16x0000a9e6@hotmail.com>

hey, look for frequent updates and playlists at the new, ad-free kittenmouse 
radio website!

http://web.pdx.edu/~andreay/

your friend,
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From david at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 26 12:08:03 2001
From: david at xxx.uk (David White)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:08:03 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Trashy tabloid rumours (More about Murdoch)
Message-ID: <MABBIEGAGBDOGHPKCDMHCEKPCBAA.david@belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk>

For those who don't already know....
<content>
Stuart Murdoch has been targetted by Scotland's leading tabloid, the Daily
Record, which has accused him of trying to bribe Glasgow Uni students in his
quest for the rectorship of the uni.
Check out the NEWS page on www.belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk for the
full story.
</content>

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From n.barr at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 26 12:23:42 2001
From: n.barr at xxx.uk (Niall Barr)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:23:42 -0000
Subject: Sinister: More about the alleged gig...
Message-ID: <3A9A4ACE.27722.9766A6@localhost>

Hi everyone,
I got a bit more reliable information about the 'gig' at GU over the 
weekend. It seems Brian's skepticism was well justified. Someone else 
who received the same e-mail that I forwarded to the list last week 
forwarded it to the band (who were still in the states) and that was the 
first they'd heard about it. Naturally Stuart was furious. The event that the 
tickets are for was supposed to be a speech he would be making as part 
of his election campaign.

Did anyone manage to get a ticket? I hear there were a huge number of 
people queueing for them.

Niall.
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From p.carter at xxx.uk  Mon Feb 26 16:31:12 2001
From: p.carter at xxx.uk (Peter Carter)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:31:12 -0000
Subject: Sinister: I agree with this post
Message-ID: <026401c0a011$887aeee0$32c913ac@bathspa.ac.uk>

> Hey!
> Dont be so mean to other listers!
> I for one was touched by that mail about the lonely girl, and didnt need
> such a discompassionate, sour and downright rude response like that!
> somebody slap leonardo's wrist and send him to the back of the class!

As they say on alt.music.radiohead, "I agree with this post".

Anyway, I was supposed to go to the Sinister meet-up in Brighton but instead
I went to visit an old friend from Sixth From for the weekend... mistake.
When I got to Southampton (where my friend Hayley is at Uni) she met me on
her motorbike and had forgotten to bring a second helmet (she suggest I
could ride on the back anyway, but I declined), so I had to wait for an hour
for the bus, she waited with me for half an hour and then remembered that
she had to meet her friends and left me to get on the bus myself. This kind
of thing continued throughout the whole time and was compounded by the fact
that she went to see her aunt after she had a miscarriage and was told she'd
have to help organise the funeral and when her boyfriend split up with her,
putting her in a foul mood. We twice when to a dire club (The Academy), when
she proceeded to talk to/dance with one of her friends almost perminantly,
leaving me to be totally bored as I hardly knew anyone else... there is much
more but it'd take too long to type out.

Anyway, I'm vaguely happy at the moment (although I think I might be getting
seriously ill, being tired and sickly all the time, having had a cough for
three months, having had a pain in my chest for three or fours days and
having had a nosebleed this morning), and people seem to actually be taking
notice of my birthday (1st of March) for once, so I'll leave you on an up
note

bye bye,
Peter

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From mark_e_hester at xxx.com  Mon Feb 26 16:44:37 2001
From: mark_e_hester at xxx.com (Mark Hester)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:44:37 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Postmen call far too early in Brighton!
Message-ID: <F230dpOTziwi7Qf4vKh000197e2@hotmail.com>

***BRIGHTON***

Getting from Brighton to Oxford by train isn't nice. Worth it once you're 
there however. Archel's meet-up was GRATE. Shame it was just me and her 
non-sini mates tho. Where were the rest of you (apart from Peter from whom 
we just heard)? I saw the famous tattoo, tasteful, starry and 
unsillustrationy so it was.

We went to the divebomb @ the Core only to discover that divebomb wasn't @ 
the Core anymore and if Corefolk knew where is was @, they weren't letting 
on. So it was on to the unclubbily-named Gloucester for indie dancing then 
back to Archel's for dodgy Dominican rum whilst being entranced by a lamp 
which changed colour and was a bit like a lava lamp 'cept it didn't look 
like it was full of globs of, y'know.....

Bed. Or should I say sofa.

I was roused by falling letters, not on my head tho it felt like it, then it 
was the usual wake-up-in-unfamiliar-place-with-aching-head routine. C'mon 
Hester, the equation's simple, no pencil chewing involved:

Sofa + Noisy Seagulls = Oh yeah I'm in Brighton.

Opencupboardnocoffee Opencupboardnocoffee Opencupboardcoffee. Then decent 
coffee courtesy of Archel's housemate Anna. Toast.

Later Archel took me round some amazing record shops. There are TONS and 
they're all good. I spent ������...Mrs Jamie T. Conway was more sensible. We 
went for a coffee and talked of the first records we ever bought. Archel's 
were produced by Stock Aitken & Waterman. Mine weren't. Then more record 
stores, more splurging by me & restraint from Archel, then home. Home in 
time to see....

***ARAB STRAP***

Whenever I talk to my friend Phil about twattybus, he always says, "Oh, 
there's a band called Arab Strap" and I respond, "Yes, I know". This 
exchange has happened at least ten times. Wasn't that familiar with their 
stuff, tho I knew there lyrics were a little bit sordid just as Doris...is a 
little bit partial. Fortunately no-one could see me blushing in the zodiac 
coz it was too dark.

Aidan had a bit of a fight with the keyboard at one stage. 
"Don't...buy...fookin'...Roland...machines...they're...fookin'...shite!" he 
spluttered. It has been noted. Aidan also introduced us to Adele, who looked 
daggers at us for ages before singing anything.

And how did Carsmile get near the front when he was way behind us in the 
queue? Does he have a gigteleport?

In the course of the evening colleague Colin said that he was at the last 
ever Pavement gig and heard _that_  quote with the handcuffs, in response to 
me telling him that I had just bought....

***STEPHEN MALKMUS***

The picture of Stephen with the horse is good 'n' wholesome...might have it 
as wallpaper. The pooter variety that is.

The best songs seem to be towards the end, speshly "Trojan Curfew" and 
"Jenny & the Ess Dog". Like Twinkle, I reserve the right to make complete 
u-turns in my opinions whenever the fancy takes me, so I shall probably hate 
these songs in a few days and concentrate on...

***SEEING OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS***

Last week, Carsmile wrote:

>Went to see Frink Blick the other nite, by jimminy does he go on.  The 
> >first hour was quite good, but then he DIDN'T STOP!! after two and a 
> >quarter hours, he went off and THEN CAME BACK FOR AN ENCORE.  Why do 
> >bands have the temerity to think they can entertain us for that long?  
> >Even two hours of b&s would be pushing it, i just don't have the 
> >attention span i guess.

Monday night is pub quiz night not gig night, but I've never been impressed 
by the solo efforts of the Artist Formerly Known as Charles Kitteridge to be 
honest. Pixies yes, Kim Deal's Breeders, yes, but... (what's Kim doing now? 
Anyone?).

Long gigs per se aren't necessarily bad tho. I saw Julian Cope in Bristol 
and he played for *three* hours and kept my attention with plenty of 
mellotrons, old teardrop explodes stuff and only a brief interlude to visit 
the toilet.

speaking of which, today, Fiona wrote:

>but i have to tell you that i
>have never had so many responses as when i posted about there being
>pooh in our toilet. thankfully it seemed to disappear of its own
>accord, but i was very grateful for all the advice sent to me.

and I thought NO! This never happens...unless someone in Fiona's house 
(which sounds a barrel of laughs to live in, incidentally) eats something 
weird which subsequently generates soluble poo. Water-soluble poo, the 
answer to the world's sewage problems! But what can the something be?

and later on she said:

>someone said 'tidbits' i always thought it was titbits, like the
>bird, as in small bits of food for a bird to eat. but i could be
>wrong.

aha! You should read Bill Bryson, who explains how this is all due to the 
prudish nature of Americans in the dim and distant past. The "tit" in 
"titbits" made C19th Americans blush, so they changed it to "tid", just as a 
"cock" (as in male chicken) became "rooster" and the "cockroach" became 
"roach", like the fish. Maybe Lorraine Hosie has something to say on this 
subject as she likes etymology.

and even later she said:

>please listen,
>it should be good, last week i played baxendale, low, spearmint and
>felt.
and I thought, if Fiona presented the Evening Session rather than Mr. Lurpak 
I'd be a very happy man.

Love & Vimto,
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From pedrigui at xxx.br  Mon Feb 26 17:19:55 2001
From: pedrigui at xxx.br (Pedro Itapema)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:19:55 -0300
Subject: Sinister: Looper site is hacled?!
Message-ID: <001d01c0a018$5c240e60$7e0dbfc8@grandy>

Hi;

Have anyone of you realized that the Looper site (http://ww.looper.co.uk)  -
as I saw in the oficial Belle and Sebastian site
(http://www.myspace.co.uk/belleandsebastian/)  - it hacked? If you click the
"enter" button you will go to a gay (!) site. The owner of the site says
that Stuart David is also gay (!) and he had gay realations with him and
that's way he is ruining his site (!) (and there is also a picture of this
gay guy with Stuart!). Check it, please.
Here is what the gay site (http://www.treehouse.clara.net/Peacockhome.htm)
says:

"I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, "What the fuck's going on
here?" Am I right? Maybe not in so many words, but that's pretty much the
gist of it, eh?
Am I right?
You're fucking right I'm right.
You probably came on here looking for those lovely wee Loopers. But I'll
tell you what's happening here. There's been a wee bit of a disagreement
between them and me; we've had a wee bit of a do.
So here's what's happened. I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a bit
about the internet, and he's helped me to hack onto their site and put mine
in its place- to get my own point of view across.
Stuart David was writing a book about me, you see. We were working on it
together- and it turned out pretty good. But as soon as it was done the wee
bastard ran off to his publishers with it, claiming it was all his own work.
Can you believe that?
Eh?
For those of you who like gay pornography, here's a picture of your beloved
Stuart David fucking me up the arse:
I'm none too happy about the whole thing, I can tell you. And I'm hardly the
kind of cunt you want to make too unhappy.
So this is only for starters. If you're reading this, David, keep that in
mind. This is only for starters. And if you try and take this site off I'll
get you for that too.
Enjoy..."

Weird....

Pedro

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From ryanbthat at xxx.com  Mon Feb 26 17:30:11 2001
From: ryanbthat at xxx.com (Rinaldo Thatchez)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:30:11 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Re: All I ever wanted, was all I ever knew
Message-ID: <LAW2-F1351RftdEp9Y4000120c2@hotmail.com>

this isn't much of a post but to whoever it was that used that as a subject 
line and offered kudos (mad respect? props? undying love?...some kind of 
intangible reward) to anyone who could figure out where it came from: I have 
not come to claim my reward but to plead for your mercy. I know that line 
but cannot think where it comes from, I can only halfway put a melody to it 
and it is driving me FAWKING NUTS!!

please help...
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From pedrigui at xxx.br  Mon Feb 26 17:42:48 2001
From: pedrigui at xxx.br (Leo)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:42:48 -0300
Subject: Sinister: Loope site is hacked
Message-ID: <001901c0a01b$8ac373c0$1026bfc8@grandy>

Hello people.

Check it out: http://www.geometrid.co.uk. You will be send to:
http://www.treehouse.clara.net/Peacockhome.htm. Take a look and see what he
says about Mr. Stuart David...... (is it truth?!)

Cheers;
Leo

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From athenaofme at xxx.com  Mon Feb 26 17:45:28 2001
From: athenaofme at xxx.com (lisa morrison)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:45:28 -0000
Subject: Sinister: one, two, unbuckle my shoe
Message-ID: <F283V6uPDVniSnRMWuL0001234b@hotmail.com>

crawling out of the woodwork for only a brief moment
b/f i become but a splinter again...and joan of dark, doll,
this honor goes to you for yr fab post,though i did not have the opportunity 
to read it completely...ms.dark's posts are never disappointing (i'm sure 
we'd all agree)...perhaps ms. dark's posts
will also prompt a certain new listee to peek out from the shadows of
her hide-away bedroom: "miss jessica-kat...pssp pssp psspsspsspp..."

so much for me...i haven't much to say anymore...(pish)
-listdomlisa
                                        no sex in the champagne room.
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From kmhyde at xxx.edu  Mon Feb 26 18:10:40 2001
From: kmhyde at xxx.edu (kmhyde at xxx.edu)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:10:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: Looper site- wacked by some maniac
Message-ID: <200102261810.NAA15933@webmail.wm.edu>


That is very, very odd. 


so disconcerting to think that Stuart was collaborating 
with this man. Is the picture really Stuart?


strange. I'm pretty sure it's not a 'gay' as in 
homosexual site, as Pedro said....this guy Peacock just 
uses some choice language in describing what Stuart did 
to him. ummm, metaphorically I would presume. 


huh.


I wonder what'll happen....


is that really Stuart though- that's the question 
bugging me. I've only ever seen one picture of him, and 
he looked quite a bit nerdier than in that photo on the 
site....


oh well. 


back to John Stuart Mill. 


toodles tonic, 


Kevin
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Date: 26 Feb 2001 13:10:26 -0500
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From GoGoEcho at xxx.com  Mon Feb 26 18:55:43 2001
From: GoGoEcho at xxx.com (GoGoEcho at xxx.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:55:43 EST
Subject: Sinister: is the site hacked
Message-ID: <95.764b273.27cc00af@aol.com>

Well, I checked out the link and apparently the site is hacked it doesn't 
seem like a joke or anything.  I wonder if Stuart knows.  I'm sure he'll know 
after today so check it out before it's gone.  I can't believe that someone 
hacked little ole looper's site.  It's just weird and a bit goofy to me but 
interesting at the same time.


adam
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From pedrigui at xxx.br  Mon Feb 26 19:39:27 2001
From: pedrigui at xxx.br (Pedro Itapema)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:39:27 -0300
Subject: Sinister: Looper site- wacked by some maniac
References: <200102261810.NAA15933@webmail.wm.edu>
Message-ID: <006801c0a02b$d6f210c0$7d0dbfc8@grandy>

Hello;
Yes, you re right. He don't say he is gay, I misunderstood. Sorry...
I also agree with you: is it truth? And, does Stuart know about it?

Cheers;
Pedro
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>
> That is very, very odd.
>
>
> so disconcerting to think that Stuart was collaborating
> with this man. Is the picture really Stuart?
>
>
> strange. I'm pretty sure it's not a 'gay' as in
> homosexual site, as Pedro said....this guy Peacock just
> uses some choice language in describing what Stuart did
> to him. ummm, metaphorically I would presume.
>
>
> huh.
>
>
> I wonder what'll happen....
>
>
> is that really Stuart though- that's the question
> bugging me. I've only ever seen one picture of him, and
> he looked quite a bit nerdier than in that photo on the
> site....
>
>
> oh well.
>
>
> back to John Stuart Mill.
>
>
> toodles tonic,
>
>
> Kevin
>
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From tmalone3 at xxx.net  Mon Feb 26 19:39:06 2001
From: tmalone3 at xxx.net (tmalone3 at xxx.net)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:39:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: All I ever wanted, was to be at one with you
Message-ID: <200102261937.TAA24739@missprint.org>

I didn't realize I was causing so much pain and agony with my last
subject line.  I apologize.  Anyway, the quote is from a song called
"picnics".  The band is called Monk & Canatella.  They are a Bristol
based "trip hop" band that achieved a bit of fame when Portishead wrote
a tribute to them.  I was surprised at how many people were sure they
had heard that line before, I didn't think they were as well known as
they apparently are.  Of course to make it even more obscure, the song
was never released on any album, just a single and a compilation. :)
Everybody should go and run out to check out Monk & Canatella.  While
they aren't much like B&S, they have some great music with some great
lyrics.  I think Darkus Twisted is quite possibly one of the best songs
of the 90s.  
Good day all.
 
-- 
Tim Malone
"Life is so lovely, yet still I'm sad" - M&C

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From tmalone3 at xxx.net  Mon Feb 26 19:59:39 2001
From: tmalone3 at xxx.net (tmalone3 at xxx.net)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:59:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Looper's site
Message-ID: <200102261957.TAA03589@missprint.org>

The site has been that way for over a month now, I highly doubt it is
anything more than a publicity stunt.  To give the book a more "real"
feel to it.  Not that I wasn't taken a back when I first saw it. :)
Also, not that I won't buy the book either. :)  

That kinda counts as B&S content.  Oh yeah, I just got "this is just a
modern rock song", what a great ep.

-- 
Tim Malone

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From honey at xxx.org  Mon Feb 26 20:02:43 2001
From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:02:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: is the site hacked
In-Reply-To: <95.764b273.27cc00af@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.32.0102261939080.9846-100000@envy.ph.ed.ac.uk>

The "hack": if you weren't on the list a month ago, there was much talk
of this then.  Stuart's publishing a new novel "Peacock Manifesto" on
April 16th.  He also likes swearing.  Open and shut case, I'd say,
although I'm sure he'd enjoy your mails.  It's all in the archives:

http://www.missprint.org/cgi-bin/anylistsearch.cgi?query=stuart+david%3Bpeacock&list=sinister&smode=Phrase

People who remember Tom Ewing's article "why I hate indie kids" which
some miscreant who wasn't Tom posted to the list might be pleased to
hear that Tom mailed to say he's done a followup.

http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~tewing/2001_02_11_singlesa.html

(search for February 12th, the day before.. oh nevermind)

Finally can I urge you all with my kinky whip to go! and! see! the
Sillustrations!! which are truly great, and goodness knows why you all
aren't competing to see who the holy trinity of sillustrators are going
to sillustrate next.  Unless you are.

http://www.missprint.org/sinister/sillustrations/

Princess Honey x

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From joey_sinisterlist at xxx.com  Mon Feb 26 22:27:45 2001
From: joey_sinisterlist at xxx.com (Joey is Cool)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:27:45 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Hollyoaks and secret "testing testing"
Message-ID: <F702vpILzSXg0S0IVmc000081e6@hotmail.com>

Hello everyone...

My pooter is a naughty little girl, and she doesn't like a full inbox... No 
she doesn't. Now she is a happy bunny as she has a whole seperate on line 
inbox for all her Sinister need's... Thank you very much Mum... :)

Also - Did anyone else hear The Boy with the Arab Strap on the opening scene 
of last Thursdays Hollyoaks?? First Brookside, now this... What is the world 
coming too?? I wouldn't mind at all, infact be happy even, only it was that 
BLOODY MISERABLE TONY who had it on... Or at least it was his house... He 
ruin's that programme... Or makes it?? The decision, is yours...

Love
Jo
x

(Ok, so maybe that isn't my *real* surname... Hehehe...)
(Love: Honey)

Private mail to : showmemagic at hotmail.com please babinos
(Yay: Honey)
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From prbar at xxx.com  Mon Feb 26 23:11:00 2001
From: prbar at xxx.com (Phillip Runion)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:11:00 
Subject: Sinister: gratitude
Message-ID: <F203JYIIvOBIR29XQCy0000ff21@hotmail.com>

Thank you to who ever it was that mentioned Thomas Pynchon a week or so ago.
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From pedrigui at xxx.br  Mon Feb 26 23:18:57 2001
From: pedrigui at xxx.br (Pedro Itapema)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:18:57 -0300
Subject: Sinister: NME.com -Belle & Sebastian's Stuart Murdoch plays surprise Glasgow gig - II
Message-ID: <002301c0a04a$7f8dd700$700dbfc8@grandy>

Sorry, i send the wrong page.
The correct is:
http://www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,1004,18445,00.html
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From pedrigui at xxx.br  Mon Feb 26 23:13:38 2001
From: pedrigui at xxx.br (Pedro Itapema)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:13:38 -0300
Subject: Sinister: NME.com -Belle & Sebastian's Stuart Murdoch plays surprise Glasgow gig
Message-ID: <000b01c0a049$c2da0a20$700dbfc8@grandy>

(http://www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,1004,18165,00.html)
FRESHERS' BELLE

BELLE & SEBASTIAN frontman STUART MURDOCH made a surprise live appearance in
GLASGOW last night (February 25), NME.COM can exclusively reveal.
The appearance came as part of his ongoing campaign to become rector of
Glasgow University.
Murdoch was joined onstage by fellow band-member Stevie Jackson for two
songs at the University Union's regular 'Unplugged' acoustic evening. The
event is usually reserved for local talent, who perform covers and original
songs for a free pint of beer.
Jackson and Murdoch performed two songs, a cover of The Beatles' 'You Can't
Do That' and an as-yet-untitled new song, which an eyewitness described as
"very Spanish, certainly not traditional Belle & Sebastian".
A source close to Murdoch told NME.COM today (February 26) that the show was
"unplanned", and that "half the people in the venue didn't know who he was".
As previously revealed on NME.COM, members of Belle & Sebastian are to play
a secret live show in the city later this week, and 200 free tickets for the
show were given out to students last Friday (February 23).
It is anticipated that the performance will not feature the entire band, but
there are plans for live shows for later in the year, following the release
of a new single.
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From mecurtin at xxx.ca  Tue Feb 27 01:46:47 2001
From: mecurtin at xxx.ca (M. Curtin)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:46:47 -0500
Subject: Sinister: If Canada Dry is the champagne of gingerales, does that make Vernor's the rye?
Message-ID: <001501c0a05f$26193f60$e6d66481@alh.reznet.uwo.ca>

Hi
I'll try to make this quick and painless, as my posts, though few in number,
are great in dread.  It's just that I have to write 2000 words on the
Baedeker Blitz for tomorrow, and I've exhausted all other procrastination
activities, hence my resort to posting.  (Incidentally, anyone with grannies
and grandpas from Exeter or, conversely, Lubeck, are welcome to offer me
primary accounts of area bombing, as it really does make excellent party
conversation...)

So, here are Marybeth's 14 Points, if you like, though you probably won't
like them.

1.    I had a dream last night that for some reason I was being interviewed
for lifetime achievement (HA!) and someone asked me what was the inspiration
for my life and I said something to the effect of: "Why, it's all just an
Arlo Guthrie song!"
How random can that be???????

2.    Wouldn't it be fantasmic if a certain Mr. Murdoch rewrote The
Beautiful South's "Song for Whoever" and changed all the names to his little
muses?  Lazy Jane, Photo Jenny, Judy and Lis(a) oh i forget your
name........ Okay, I'm obviously not a songwriter, but you get the idea.
I'm sure someone has a greater grasp of syllabification than me.

3.    I was watching someone get an elbow replacement on tv the other day
and this occurred to me: What would happen if the world ended while you were
in surgery?  Think about it, kidlets, and report back to me.

4.    In "Celia of the Seals" is Donovan trying to emulate seal sounds with
that weird, nonsensical singing?  If you know the song, you know the part i
mean.  It really creeped me out, but i still like the song.  It's no
Barabajagal, but anything about seals can't be All Bad.

5.    I miss Hinterland Who's Who.

6.    Cigarettes and wine gums DO NOT mix well.

7.    Orangina and wine gums DO NOT mix well.

8.    Actually, nothing really mixes well with winegums.

9.    I have a cat named Stella and she IS the devil.  The strange part is
that during the one "cute" moment of her life, she dipped her paw into her
water dish and proceeded to wash her face with it.  I almost forgot about
all the times she has bitten and maimed me in the past when i saw that.
Then I noticed she was using her left paw.  Sinister after all......

10.    I really like the song "Belle and Sebastian," as opposed to just the
band.  I think it's cute.  I like all the Sebastian songs, even though I
should technically prefer the Belle ones.

11.    Why do people look at me funny when I buy flowers for myself?
Moreover, why doesn't anyone buy flowers for me?

12.    Did John Steinbeck EVER actually come up with an original title for a
story?  Who cares, it's just another reason to hate him.

13.    Is it just me, or are kids getting shorter these days?

14.    Does anyone else know the story of the Erie Belle?  I love this
story, as it was part of my childhood.  One can still see the decaying
smokestack of the Erie Belle on the beaches of Lake Huron - somewhere near
Kincardine.  I don't know what I'll do when the Erie Belle is gone for
good - it seems like a potentially good friend.

Alright, that's enough rambling.  Try not to hold it against me.

Yours, unfortunately,
Marybeth

(P.S. There will be a prize for spotting all the superfluous commas in this
piece - I JUST COULDN"T PAUSE CORRECTLY!)


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From declan63 at xxx.com  Tue Feb 27 03:31:22 2001
From: declan63 at xxx.com (jay)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:31:22 -0500
Subject: Sinister: If Canada Dry is the champagne of gingerales, does that make Vernor's the rye?
References: <001501c0a05f$26193f60$e6d66481@alh.reznet.uwo.ca>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "M. Curtin" <mecurtin at xxx.ca>
To: <sinister at missprint.org>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 8:46 PM
Subject: Sinister: If Canada Dry is the champagne of gingerales, does that
make Vernor's the rye?



fuck that shit!  schweppes!!!

sorry, and thank you for indulging my dennis hopper moment.


> 11.    Why do people look at me funny when I buy flowers for myself?
> Moreover, why doesn't anyone buy flowers for me?


even better is "those for your girlfriend?"  sigh sigh sigh.  "i just wanted
a few tulips to brighten the room....and....and...and i don't have a
girlfriend you insensitive creep!"  (and tears fall and slide down the ramp
to the plastic bags.  i only indulge in grocery store flowers out of
thriftiness, but then you have to hunt for flowers that still have petals on
them)  how about we buy flowers for each other?

problem solved.



> 13.    Is it just me, or are kids getting shorter these days?

i certainly hope so.  my nine-years-younger brother is a damn horse.  i'd
like to get the upper hand eventually and be the *big* old man shooing
rapscallions and guttersnipes out of my yard.  i've already got the glasses
and sweater, all i need's a cane.



jay

"watch yourself.  they look like coffee addicts to me, boys"

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From ol04 at xxx.uk  Tue Feb 27 10:15:15 2001
From: ol04 at xxx.uk (The Narrow Wizard)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:15:15 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: goo goo, goo goo barabajagal
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10102270941540.26740-100000@gromit.students.stir.ac.uk>

well I is back

ducked out of a lecture to come to a computer room just to say hi to you
lovely people

so what have i been up to?

well you'll be pleased to hear that I avoided seeing atomic kitten play at
the uni.... they decided that it was too small a gig for them as they were
number one and so they cancelled. of course had they cancelled normally
they would have been forced to pay costs but it seems two of them came
down with bronchitis on the day of the gig...they seemed fine on TV 2 days
later!

did get to see the divine comedy on valentines day though....with a cute
girl too....of course she's just a friend....and a sinister one at that so
hello sweetie.

anyway...thats it for gigs lately...may go to see brave captain support
lowgold soon.....if i can find a friend to go with.....by the way does
anyone know whether lowgold are any good?

and another thing does anyone else feel that stuart davids promotion of
the new book has been taken too far, hijacking the looper site was funny
but its been up too long now and people who want to find out about the
band are only getting a (bizarre) advert for the new book by stuart

and so on to this posts bizarre story of stuff that happened on a drunken
night out....was in the pub (as per usual) on friday night (freestylers
were guest dj's....total turd) and saw my mate rick so went to say hi cos
I hadn't seen him in ages. he was sitting with 3 birds who I didn't
recognise but one of them recognised me...oh dear....the conversation went
something like this

bird 1-you're owen aren't you

me-yeah

b1-you fucked leona

rick-i didn't tell them (walks away leaving me with them)

b1-no we know leona well, you're lucky getting to fuck her

bird2-she was lucky from what i heard

bird3-yeah you're a good shag you know

me-oh ermm (turns a little bit red)

well they introduced themselves and it turns out they were called june
alex and i cant remember bird3's name. the conversation continued thus

alex-june's a lovely girl, hasn't she got great tits

june-(giggles)

alex-of course my tits are nice to (thrusts them in my face) but i've got
a boyfriend so i think you should fuck june

me-ermm i better go get back to my friends, see you later (retreats at
great velocity)

so thats the story...some birds i didnt know told me they heard i was a
good shag, thrust their (rather large) tits in my face and then tried to
get me to fuck one of them. I didn't of course for many reasons, firstly
these girls seemed a tad strange, secondly they were all rather fat (hence
them having huge tits) and thirdly I was bloody petrified of them, they
were fucking scarry.

anyway thats all from me for now
but I'll be back
    owen

with that the narrow wizard waggled his bushy eyebrows and disappeared in
a flash of blue flame leaving behind only a faint smell of cinammon


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From imnicolson at xxx.com  Tue Feb 27 12:58:26 2001
From: imnicolson at xxx.com (Ian Nicolson)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:58:26 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Dance me to the end of love
Message-ID: <F110qYW8BYXifWoqFXf00017a3c@hotmail.com>

Hello pussycats

'Eastenders - everyone's talking about it'.  Are they arse! No one at all at 
my work talks about Eastenders, and I've got so much to say. Isn't the whole 
point of working to partake in idle chit-chat about soap operas? I think I 
need a new job. But it's all gone a bit 'Who Shot Mr. Burns?', hasn't it? My 
bet's on Chloe.

Scouring the Scotch papers this weekend, I happened upon a couple of tiny 
mentions of Belle & Sebastian - neither of which is news in any way 
imaginable, but perhaps midly diverting none the less.
In the first one, from Friday's Scotsman, Craig McLean dreams up a Scottish 
alternative to the Brits, called, imaginatively, the Scots:
"The Cardinal Winning Holier Than Thou Tower (made from finest ivory) is 
bestowed upon Belle & Sebastian. This is to mark just how precious they are 
(to us all). Unfortunately band leader Stuart Murdoch can't be with us 
tonight, as he's still puggled after making an album and doing a press 
conference about a year ago. Instead, he sent us this video message: 'Could 
someone take my copy of My Ain Folk back to Azad please?'"
I chuckled.
Then in the Sunday Herald on, erm, Sunday, David Keenan's review of a Texas 
concert said:
"Stuff like In Our Lifetime is only narrowly saved from being soft-focus pap 
by guitarist Andy McErlane who insists on letting rip with this gnarly, 
endearingly stupid garage punk riff, but for the most part he looks as if 
he'd rather be playing in Belle & Sebastian."
I'm not sure what he means.

Ewan Dunbar babbled about the Blessed Sebastian. Two miracles isn't bad, but 
spare a thought for poor old St. Sebastian. Despite stopping a plague, which 
is pretty good going, Diocletian still ordered him to be shot to death with 
arrows. Bastard. But he recovered! Hurrah! So they beat him to death with 
clubs instead. Boo! And to add to his woes, God (and his Celestial Angel 
Committee, presumably) then made him the patron saint of archers! 'Bloody 
archers', he must have thought, 'I've had it up to here with archers!'
And two miracles is probably a lot better than St. Sithney managed. He, I'm 
sure you'll all agree, was a pretty crap saint. Sithney had a vision in 
which God told him to be the patron saint of lovely girls, but he didn't 
fancy it as girls would plague him for husbands and pretty dresses all the 
time, so he became the patron of mad dogs instead. So if your dog goes mad, 
offer up a decade of the Rosary to Sithney, but I wouldn't hold your breath.

Next week on the Bibliotheca Sanctorum mailing list: The story of St. Zita 
and the angels baking her loaves while she was rapt with ecstasy and St. 
Leander's conversion of the Visigoths!

Tim Malone mused:
>I just love Leonard Cohen. I wish I could find
>the original 4-tracks of his albums though, cause I think
>they would be absolutely fab without the bloody awefull
>backup singers
Och, stuff and nonsense! Without the backing singers what would there be for 
me to whistle to make people think 'Ooh, he likes Leonard Cohen! What a 
pretentious twat'. And they provide a lovely counterpoint to our favourite 
randy mysoginist buddhist's tuneless caterwaul (and later growl). Anyways, 
he just wouldn't be as funny without his singers.

I think that's maybe enough. Can't wait for Eastenders tonight...

Ian N.
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From r_gillanders at xxx.com  Tue Feb 27 13:20:48 2001
From: r_gillanders at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Richard=20Gillanders?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 05:20:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: kid in the snow.  me.
In-Reply-To: <F702vpILzSXg0S0IVmc000081e6@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20010227132048.20217.qmail@web2104.mail.yahoo.com>

sure.

it snowed.  a lot.


yeah.



this is my first post so.  my ears are hot.  from the
coldness.  here.

I ran in the snow last night.  ran, hopped, jumped,
tripped, fell, rolled.  it was good.  it was dark.

I couldn't go to university to day due to
the...extreme...weather conditions.  well.  it's
extreme for here.  some people might consider
it...everyday.  and.

I have now officially given up hope with regards to
attending this party thing in east sussex.  I left it
too late.  I assumed.  people shouldn't assume.  now
I'm overly concerned with other matters.  academic
ones mainly.  well.  I say 'concerned'.  it's more
'self-pity' than anything else as I like to moan about
it but don't seem to be doing much to rectify
the...predicament.  yeah.

and I'm still on book two of 'don quixote'.

this isn't a good first post.  a first post, a first
post.  doesn't matter I guess.  people just say
'post'.

belle and sebastian content, I'm guessing, is
mandatory.  it's a guess.  I don't know.  here it is:

I like them a lot.  sure.  and I like to sing the end
of the '...dundee?' lyric in 'seymour stein' in a
ridiculous scots accent.  my accent isn't so
ridiculous.  my favourite one just now is either
'string bean jean', 'get me away from here, I'm dying'
or 'my wandering days are over'.  that's how.  this
isn't interesting belle and sebastian content by any
means.  but it does qualify.  I reckon.

and stuart murdoch has decided to play some kind of
show in glasgow.  I'm not allowed to go.  I'm not at
the right university.  shame.  but I think those
students would be crackers to vote for anyone over
him.  discos and stuff.  I saw that karen dunbar
outside 'forbidden planet' on buchanan street.  she IS
just as ugly as she is on the telly.  really.  in
my...opinion.

joey, you're more likely to notice this here than if I
mail it separately: that espie character was sniffing
around last night.  I didn't really converse with him.
 there was snow.

I'm not so boring in real-life.  I don't think I am. 
some people know me and they say I'm not.

I should really go and draw something.  or write.  I
don't want to.  not now.

this has been awful, I apologise.

love,
richard.

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From missprin at xxx.org  Tue Feb 27 14:15:59 2001
From: missprin at xxx.org (missprint.org)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:15:59 +0000 (GMT/BST)
Subject: Sinister: Re: Listen...
In-Reply-To: <F5dpM9Y17VVZxMGpoxD0000fce8@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.96.1010227135933.26311A-100000@missprint.org>

Captain Peacock,

Your mail below to our employee, Princess Honey, was intercepted by our
Company SwearyWordedMailDetector (TM) which set off a record score of 
8665 on the Corporate Swear-o-meter here at MissPrint.Org, making
several of the gentler members of the secretarial staff spill their
tea.  I shall endeavour to pass your sentiments on to the illustrious 
members of the landed gentry who make use of the particular electronical 
mailing list to which you refer.  If I may paraphrase your words a 
little, because many of the members of the aforementioned list have
little time to spare, having strong connections in the city and estates 
to manage, may I express them as "On No Accounts Buy Stuart David's New 
Book"? and "Because He's Gay"?

Miss Print
CEO
Miss Print's Printing House

P.S. Nice shirt.


On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Peacock Johnson wrote to Princess Honey:

> Alright, pal?
> 
> I don't know who the fuck you are, but apparently you think you know 
> something about me.
> 
> Because of this wee campaign I'm running I spend a lot of the time typing 
> tit-licker's name into the internet, looking for sites where I might be able 
> to get my point of view across. I came across this fucking nancy-boy site a 
> few weeks ago, and today I found your email on it. What the fuck are you 
> playing at, pal? Here I am trying to get a serious point across that the 
> cunt all these cunts look up to is a rip-off merchant, and then you seem to 
> feel qualified to assure them that me and tit-licker are in fact one and the 
> same guy. What the fuck is that all about?
> 
> That was the rumour I found the first time I went onto that pink fucking 
> site, so I sent a wee Email to a lassie on there who seemed to have a wee 
> thing for me. Never heard a word back. So now (unfortunately for you) your 
> my guy.
> 
> I've got a lot of support so far. The Times, The Daily Record, NME, The 
> List, and now I'll tell you what you're going to do. You seem to hold some 
> kind of sway with all these fancy wee cunts. So you're going to correct your 
> mistake.
> 
> Do you hear me?
> 
> It's fucking sad enough that they look up to bent-boy in the first place, 
> but I think it's fucking important for them to know just what they're 
> looking up to. Do you know what I mean? They spend a lot of money on him.
> 
> Let them know exactly what they're spending they're money on.
> 
> And see if you can get that wee lassie to write back to me at the same time. 
> She seemed like an alright wee piece of cunt.
> 
> Do you hear me son?
> 
> Peacock.
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From lucyalder at xxx.com  Tue Feb 27 14:51:55 2001
From: lucyalder at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucy=20Alder?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 06:51:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister:  Beef Jerky: breakfast of champions
Message-ID: <20010227145155.4084.qmail@web1608.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello you lovely bunch of people.  I'm back from America lighter of pocket
and heavier of  CD collection.  I also remembered how tequila never gives
me a hangover and took full advantage of this fact - huzzah!  Having spent
the morning reading every single email in my inbox (phew!) I feel a need
to post coming on.

Somewhere in the midst of all the posts I read today, somebody mentioned
the Blessed Sebastian and then Neil talked about St Sebastian.  Sebastian
is without a doubt my favourite saint.  In paintings, he always looks pale
and skinny and waifish, with his eyes cast skywards in classic indieboy
pose and there's something strangely alluring in the way he bears the pain
of all those arrows sticking into his ribs.  My favourite arrow is the one
sticking into his thigh, though.  Rrrrraouw!  Is it allowed to fancy
saints, or is this what you'd call an unclean thought?

Speaking of violent deaths and the like, has anyone seen that Fear
programme on MTV?  Saturday's episode took place in a deserted cement
factory where there were tons of accidents in the eighties - things like a
kiln being switched on while there were people inspecting the interior and
a metal walkway collapsing while there were people on it.  There have been
loads of reports of paranormal activity since, so MTV decided to send half
a dozen foolhardy youngsters there with video cameras on Friday 13th,
during a full moon, and set them each a challenge (walk up the inside of
the kiln, retrieve a piece of paper to prove you did it, report any
paranormal activity, hear voices, feel presences, scream your little lungs
out etc.)  I curled up under the covers in my hotel room, watching from
behind the pillow clutched to my trembling bosom and tried not to get the
willies.

In the end, though, I just had to switch off after they sent a kid to the
top of a 350 foot ramp with only the full moon lighting his path and told
him to re-enact the suicide of the factory owner by sticking his head
through a noose attached to a big concrete block and then kicking said
block over the 350 foot drop to the floor.  They didn't tell him that the
rope was longer than 350 feet.  I suppose poor taste is to be expected of
MTV, but that was really something.  And what were they offering in return
for successful completion of this challenge?  Five thousand measly
dollars.  I mean, hang on (boom boom), is it really worth it?  I'm not
sure I could do that for any amount of money.  I was completely
unsuccessful in my attempts at willies prevention and now I can't even
shut my eyes while I  wash my hair in case something comes up from behind
and grabs me.  Yikes!

Did Bono really talk about humility when he won his grammy?  Fuck off, you
bloated old sloth in leather kecks, you.

I think that's all I have to say for now.  Oh no, wait a minute, one more
thing.  Bloody hell, blast and buggery I wish I was at Glasgow University,
et cetera.

Juicy Lucy

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From Milla.Gregor at xxx.com  Tue Feb 27 15:35:20 2001
From: Milla.Gregor at xxx.com (Milla.Gregor at xxx.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:35:20 -0000
Subject: Sinister: ... plugged it in, and now the dark don't fit there
Message-ID: <7D9111AE89FAD411801A0002A55C31D3031AD3@apollo.bmpddb.com>

   Out of the nursery! Yawn, stretch, blink. It's nice to be here.
Greetings!

I bought Legalman this weekend- not so great. Where are all the great tunes,
the ones that make you dance and cry, like String Bean Jean and There's Too
Much Love? Iss crAAYzy. Interesting and strange, for sure, but all punches
pulled, somehow.

I also went to a party this weekend in tres trendy bars and had one of those
conversations with a boy where you both endure the boredom of your stilted
only-just-met-conversation because you're interested in one another- weird
interested-not-interested like dynamic tension. He's a physicist, and
embarrassed of this, which is strange. So anyway, the delicate situation was
progressing nicely in little circles, both of us on a sofa at the edge of
the bustle, leaning forward and straining to hear each other, when suddenly
an old friend of mine leapt on me roaring drunk, knocked me over and hugged
me rolling around on the floor. Kinda hard to return, brush youself off,
'ahem, so what were you saying about the behaviour of particles?' Dash it! 

But I did wear my fantastic new P!O!P! shoes (actually called that) which
are big clog sandals that have little wheels inside that pop down at the
touch of a button, and hey presto! roller skates!! which is tres exciting,
and makes up for the evening's lack of romantic frisson. 

It's a lovely day in London,

Lady Milla
    



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From emma_discovery at xxx.com  Tue Feb 27 16:12:27 2001
From: emma_discovery at xxx.com (emma discovery)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:12:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: she's aware it's all been done before
Message-ID: <20010227161227.15257.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com>

these first posts must get tiresome, but please endure
yet another. I've been on the list in various guises
for a while, but I've been too intimidated by the cool
kids to post until now. I'm a texan currently living
in boston, where I know not a soul and where I thus
spend all my time and money on books and records and
public transportation to fill in the gaps. sometimes I
think it was a mistake to come here, and then I go out
walking at three in the morning humming pop songs and
no one tells me I'm going to freeze to death or get
mugged or that I have class in the morning, and I
realize I'd be unhappy anywhere, so I might as well be
2,000 miles from almost anyone who knows anything
about me. and I'm just barely young enough that I can
get away with saying things like that without it being
completely vomit-inducing. I think.

ian nicolson:
>Och, stuff and nonsense! Without the backing singers
what would there 
>be for me to whistle to make people think 'Ooh, he
likes Leonard Cohen! 
>What a pretentious twat'. And they provide a lovely
counterpoint to our 
>favourite randy mysoginist buddhist's tuneless
caterwaul (and later growl). 
>Anyways, he just wouldn't be as funny without his
singers.

this is absolutely correct. besides, for truly
obnoxious and inappropriate female backup singers, see
elvis costello's painted from memory album (hi jay!).
makes the backup singers on leonard cohen's records
sound subtle in comparison.

I read a magazine from a few years ago over the
weekend that had entries for "bands you won't find in
the trouser press guide" and the bit on belle and
sebastian talked about the monica queen vocal being
"misplaced" or "misguided" or somesuch and being
rumored to have been done by isobel. I don't remember
ever running across that particular "rumor," but I
thought it was funny at the time. 

exams will do that to a person.

and with that, it's time to go back to work on what my
professor calls the "road to financial ruin," also
known as my english degree.

good night,
emma

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From g.lynch at xxx.com  Tue Feb 27 16:50:57 2001
From: g.lynch at xxx.com (Grainne Elizabeth Mary Lynch)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:50:57 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Snow in spring....weird
Message-ID: <EPOGMEFDKCMBDAAA@mailcity.com>

Dear Sin'sters,
Everyday more new people venture out of the nursery to join the mayhem, the list is getting bigger everyday, and isn't it exciting. So big waves to everyone - old and new.

I have very little to say and next to no content. Here's my content;
We were painting the house at the weekend, and I was playing 'If you're feeling sinister' because I love it so. However, my sister's friend found the music so unpleasant that she faced her fear of heights to climb up the ladder to the upper rooms where the CD player was to turn it off. I was seriously offended, but she listens to dance music and likes Westlife.

Someone said they went to the Divine Comedy, on Valentine's Day, with a cute girl, (see I did listen to what you said, even if I can't remember who you are). What I want to know is did they play loads of new songs and were they fabulous?

Why is the rude Mr Peacock writing foul things to us? 

I read Harry Potter in bookshops, this takes a long time because I always feel a little conspicuous after a while and run away. I think I'm going to have to buy the book soon because I want to know what happens.

I bought purple tights yesterday, I mention this solely for JenOwl. They're not very purple, the colour is actually called heather. I'm going to wear them with my very short purple skirt and maybe I'll be arrested for soliciting.

On that note, I'll say goodbye,
Grainne.




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From Weingut.Hammes at xxx.de  Tue Feb 27 17:52:09 2001
From: Weingut.Hammes at xxx.de (Juergen Hammes)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:52:09 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Out of the dark ...
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> I went out last night but it wasn't the same anymore ...
> A couple of years ago I would have loved it. Glam night. Pulp. Suede.
> David Bowie. Lots of androgynous people.
> Glitter. Featherboas. But it being a carnival special and me being old
> and twisted I couldn't help thinking that everybody would just wash it
> off once they got home.
Oh, poorest Vanessa, I promise you here and now that all of my 17 year old self 
will accompany you next time you're going to feel old.
It's not an age question.
Who would mind ? Anyone can dance anytime.

Kersy


Was it someone that you'd maybe recognise ? 

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From mikelsen at xxx.nz  Tue Feb 27 18:01:52 2001
From: mikelsen at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 07:01:52 +1300
Subject: Sinister: Looper site
Message-ID: <002d01c0a0e7$7cc2bac0$586137d2@computer>

sorry, this breake the 15 minute rule, but .....

THE WHOLE LOOPER "SITE HACKED" THING IS A PROMO FOR STUART DAVID'S NEW BOOK.

Go to amazon.co.uk and look up Stuart David as an author and *hopefully*
it'll make some sense.

(remember jokes, anyone? The idea {as I recall} was that you don't take them
seriously)

Lawrence Mikkelsen


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From David1822 at xxx.com  Tue Feb 27 18:46:57 2001
From: David1822 at xxx.com (David Strange Strange)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:46:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: 1 confused boy...........
Message-ID: <350084.983299617816.JavaMail.imail@bronty>

hiii,

i'm so confused i blame these hacky computer types myself,i allways fall for
things like that,i though the stuart d thing was true *blush*,how niave am
i?. VERY. this has happend to me before cos someone haked into the mtv site
and said eimmenm was dead and i believed it and told loads of people and
felt very silly in the morning when it wasnt it any papers or on the
news,maybe i'm too trusting.

jen talked about being addicted to purple,i'm addicted to imperial mints
they are just soooooo fantastic and yummy,hmmmmm all chalky and yummy when
you break them open with your teeth scrummy yummy.hehe.my other addiction is
much worse though smoking yikes,i should try and quit cos i sound like darth
vadar when ever i sleep theres an attractive image for you thinking i'm
darth vadar,but he turned out ok in the end ol' darth infact i quite liked
him in the end.

i'm very excited about new b&s stuff as is everyone on the list i bet,it
should be super,and a tour toooo woww they are going to be busy bunnys over
spring,lets hope it actually comes off this year.
(sorry negative thinking)

Room 101 was good last night Mel & sue for light lunch were on it and they
were funny well i laughed anyways maybe i shouldnt have i dunno.theres
hardly anything funny on tv these days its all diy shows and stuff,utter
rubbish.

i wanna write a book or study psychology that would be cool,but i prolly
never will cos i'm quite a lazy tyke really,who probberly cant even spell
psychology.

byeeeeeeeeeeeee






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From declan63 at xxx.com  Tue Feb 27 20:16:30 2001
From: declan63 at xxx.com (jay)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:16:30 -0500
Subject: Sinister: she's aware it's all been done before
References: <20010227161227.15257.qmail@web12601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c0a0fa$2d583ec0$5403343f@declan63>


----- Original Message -----
From: "emma discovery" <emma_discovery at xxx.com>
To: <sinister at missprint.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:12 AM
Subject: Sinister: she's aware it's all been done before


> ian nicolson:
> >Och, stuff and nonsense! Without the backing singers
> what would there
> >be for me to whistle to make people think 'Ooh, he
> likes Leonard Cohen!
> >What a pretentious twat'. And they provide a lovely
> counterpoint to our
> >favourite randy mysoginist buddhist's tuneless
> caterwaul (and later growl).
> >Anyways, he just wouldn't be as funny without his
> singers.
>
> this is absolutely correct. besides, for truly
> obnoxious and inappropriate female backup singers, see
> elvis costello's painted from memory album (hi jay!).
> makes the backup singers on leonard cohen's records
> sound subtle in comparison.


either i embarrassingly don't recognize miss discovery (which is rather
likely) and she's heard me discuss this before, or we just happen to share a
psychic link.  PFM is not a *bad* album, and after all, bacharach can do
some really good, cool stuff, but when the 80s schmaltz bacharach mode comes
crashing down, with tacky keyboards and backing vocals, most incriminatingly
on "such unlikely lovers", i really must run and hide.


either way, hello to you too, emma!

speaking of disappointments, i ordered the new pornographers' album after
reading absolutely raving reviews and being unable to find it in any stores,
and............well.........it's pretty good.  nothing really original, but
all done well.  i must say though, that the kindercore/E6 womb has to take a
breather and stop spitting out bands.  not all these bands are on those
labels, but you probably know the sound i'm talking about.  especially the
bouncy piano thing.  (the jaded music critic enters the room)  that's got to
stop.  especially when paired with that childish style of indie voice, like
the guy in wolfie.  (they both sing similarly, but one just rubs me the
wrong way for some reason)  koufax wins my approval for not clinging to it
and actually having a diverse album, but i was worried for a while.

what i mean to say is, it's all good pop, but variety is greatly
appreciated.  (and, more selfishly, it's hard to write about bands that
sound alike without really straining for new adjectives :) )  IMHO, the
zombies perfected it with "care of cell 44" 34 years ago, and it has not
been bested.  i urge everyone to give a listen to the "odessey and oracle"
(sic) album.  rod argent deserves a ton of money.  and he's a really nice
guy, as are the rest of them, so give 'em a try if you haven't before.

whew.  thanks for letting me get that out.  i feel much better.  :)

now will someone please tell nick cave that there are people in the south
who like him as much as he likes the south?  those lollapalooza hecklers
seem to have made him swear off venturing below the mason-dixon, and you
know it's a crying shame.  (especially when he's got neko case and her
boyfriends opening up......only in california! ohhhh the pain)

jay, who's posted twice in 24 hours?!

"it goes without saying that we can't turn him loose.  he'd report us at
once to some kind of outback nazi law enforcement agency and they'll run us
down like dogs"

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From Something.Pretty at xxx.com  Wed Feb 28 04:52:38 2001
From: Something.Pretty at xxx.com (Rachel Playforth)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:52:38 -0800
Subject: Sinister: until tomorrow i'll just keep moving on
Message-ID: <004601c0a142$7d967620$a15f073e@aqlzosqt>

blimey, it's all gone rather surreal in b&s world, what with hoax gigs,
multiple identities, releasing new material...  whatever next?

ever feel haunted by past comments?  i just received an sweet email from the
original singer of the littlest hobo theme (yes!), which i raved about on
sinister around the time it was used on the natwest adverts.  he thanked me
for my compliments, told me about his new album 'maybe tomorrow', and
directed me to his website.  i was quite excited by this, but it got me
hoping that the archives never provoke less pleasant responses.  'you
slagged off my novel in 1998, here's a virus that will utterly destroy your
hard drive'.

mark has already summarised the rather non-sinister but still rather fab
brighton meet-up, so i won't dwell on his apparent intention to empty all
brighton's record shops of stock, nor the rum (definitely not the rum), nor
the fact that i learnt the adjective for 'heron-like', which i've now
forgotten, nor the toast.  it was all good clean fun, though now mark has
outed me as an early supporter of pete waterman's evil empire, he won't be
invited back...  oh, and in case anyone wondered, i'm not actually *married*
to mr jamie t conway... i wonder if mark is expecting people to remember
jamie from his melody maker days?  not impossible i suppose, i'm told he
actually did have fans.  and, even better if you're a young music
journalist, enemies.

now, i must say something about dating.  grr.  for a long while i was sure
such a stupid concept couldn't really exist, or not in britain anyway, maybe
in the kind of america portrayed by my judy blume books and 'girltalk',
which i read at a highly impressionable age and panicked because i didn't
get half the references, being english.  what the hell was the difference
between pants and panties?  and which ones shouldn't you take off on a first
date?  ah yes, dating.  i have never been on a single real date in my life,
to my knowledge.  imho, if you go out for the evening with someone who you
haven't slept with, or at least snogged, then you're just friends.  why call
it a date?  where is the line between friend and date?  i say avoid the
confusion and cut to the chase.  if you go out with a nice guy/girl and end
up in bed, cool.  but why spend an evening being all anxious about
'etiquette' and 'signals'?  it's a lot less embarassing eating spaghetti in
front of someone *after* they've seen you naked.

chris pez said something about cool places to live and manhattan lofts.  i
also fully intend to own the latter some day, and in fact i think we should
club together to buy a sinister apartment block.  like in 'friends',
everybody will sleep with everybody else, gunther from the coffee house will
be played by stuart murdoch, and ugly naked guy will be... hm, couldn't
think of anything to put here without causing offence.

nice to hear from owen again, even if he was boasting about his sex appeal
while pretending to be just an overwhelmed indie kid.  we all do it, after
all.  as for lowgold, i saw them supporting grandaddy and wasn' t really
enamoured.  too angsty.  but at least they're better than
top-yourselves-please-loader.

tomorrow is my last day at work!  i'm freeee!  (to start another job.)

luv archel xxx

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From ynoh at xxx.edu  Tue Feb 27 21:50:00 2001
From: ynoh at xxx.edu (Youn J. Noh)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:50:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: His habits were pedestrian, but his thoughts always met the upper
 air.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.04.10102262127360.19726-100000@julius.ling.ohio-state.edu>


Hey, can I tell you about the afternoon sunlight that filters in at about
half past four or so?  I think I'll always be partial to rooms with
west-facing windows.  The day winds down, sometimes from nothing, and
then, especially then, you're in that reflective mood.  So that bar of
sunlight across the comforter can be something to focus on and think
about.  It seems so strange sometimes to go from the quiet, the absolute
stillness of my room - I've got this clock that ticks too loudly - to the
activity and outwardness of the department.  So humming songs, as I've
said before, is good for the transition, to get one's courage up.  I
forget when I first realized it had worked it's way into my brain - the
chorus part of that Foxgloves song "We'll Never Be Cool".  There's that
breathlessness before it kicks in, like the moment of consciousness that
unhinges a reflex, I mean is it really worth crying about?  I don't know -
I've got an image in my mind of the singer in the south of France on a
summer internship with his girlfriend.  He'll be seated on the sofa with
his feet propped up on the coffee table conjugating verbs, and she'll be
on a stool before a drafting table - the kind that architects have.
She'll be in a cotton skirt, bare legs, feet crossed on the rest, figuring
out the dimensions of the Montpelier getaway of a modern French couple
(but of noble lineage).  I don't know - what's holding them back?  It
might seem at first that she's beyond comforting, but pretty soon he'll
get up and put on their favorite record, tap her lightly on the shoulder,
the barest caress, completed by memory.  Then they might dance awhile with
the soft summer air blowing in.  He won't insist that she should know
better than to mind the missed invitation.  Yeah, I guess they're too
knowing to be smug or superior; no, they'll admit they don't understand
how their occupations could be so pedestrian when their thoughts float 
in the upper air.

But the song that I like best right now is "Passing Through". 




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From lauren0 at xxx.com  Tue Feb 27 23:59:02 2001
From: lauren0 at xxx.com (Lauren L.)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:59:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: oh yes, there ain't no place to pee on mardi gras day
Message-ID: <20010227235902.50970.qmail@web12914.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone...  

I hope you all had a good Mardi Gras.  Did you know
that was today?  I did.  I knew it when I woke up at
DAWN this morning and put on my old shoes (because of
the mud, and because they're most comfortable for
walking).  I really should've dressed up this year. 
I'm going to make a costume for next year, so I have
to start thinking!

I walked a whole lot.  It was supposed to be cloudy
today, but it WASN'T so now my face is all pink with
sunburn.  I can still hear marching bands somewhere...
the drums are still pounding out that rhythm that they
use to keep time...

The other night I saw a Red Bull Car (a 6ft long can
of red bull on top of a red Volkswagen Beetle), and I
was immediately reminded of Ken, so we chased it down.
 The driver said that she was all out of Red Bull!  We
were very disappointed.  And then it started to rain
so we ran through the rain for miles and got soaked. 
It was so muddy and fun!

I love Napster.

Well, I have the whole rest of the week off, so I
guess I'm going to spend it doing very important
things, like watching the Travel Channel and chatting
on IRC.  I can't wait, really.

Ok.  Bye!

Lauren
(Queen of Oranges)

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From dontloveanyone at xxx.com  Wed Feb 28 00:51:54 2001
From: dontloveanyone at xxx.com (Mike K)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:51:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Sinister: It's another song in this key, yeah but this one's about me
Message-ID: <386325835.983321514620.JavaMail.root@web446-ec.mail.com>

Hello all,

It's carnival week here in Brazil. Time off school is nice, washed-out ex-movie stars dancing topless on tv is less nice. The other Brazilian sinistereens can fill in details about Carnival and all the ensuing parades.

Its so unbearably hot in the summer here. It makes me long for winter up north somewhere. I listen to Winter Wooskie and get desperately jealous. I wish i were freezing. No, I don't.

My birthday's  on Sunday, three days after Peter's. So happy birthday to him. Every time my birthday comes around it reminds me of a mad science teacher i had years ago. He used to tell me I was very lucky to have been born on March 4th. And i'd say, why? And he'd say, it's the only day of the year that's also a military order, "march forth!" and i'd smile politely. What a nut he was.

Jay mentioned Elephant6 and Kindercore. I had no idea there were other E6-fans around here. My favourite E6-type band is Of Montreal, for sure. ALthough they do fall under the  "indie vocals and piano" category that can be incredibly annoying. But they manage to pull it off.

Oh, the wonders of junk mail. I got one the other day titled "I LOVE YOU AND I DONT WANT YOU TO DIE". Imagining a mystery novel and an anonymous warning, I was instead faced with an email about Richard Simmons and weight loss. Funny, I thought, that's the last thing I think about. 

The internet's brought us so much, hasn't it? It's also brought us the entirely awfully uncomfortable situation of 'running into', online,  an ex-love who hasn't talked to you in years. Drawing a deep breath and watching out for typos, you say, "Hey, how are you? How've you been?". the answer comes: "alright." Another breath. With hope: "Miss me?". Shortly: "No." the rest of the conversation is a quick exercise in cutting your losses. Of course, i'm imagining all this.......

This passes the 15-minute test easily, because i typed it up once only to lose it entirely. I won't risk it happening again.

Love
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From vilkas at xxx.com  Wed Feb 28 04:18:46 2001
From: vilkas at xxx.com (Vilkas D'Angelo-Horvath)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:18:46 -0400
Subject: Sinister: A Wee Tasty Treat
Message-ID: <200102280510.AAA02859@granger.mail.mindspring.net>

This is the funniest true story someone's told me all week:

    My roomate was telling me about back in the day when he and two other of
his friends were camping out in the middle of the country and taking
hallucinogenic drugs. That's not the funny part. They were hungry and wanted
to eat some of the cans of canned fruit and whatnot.
That's not the funny part either. Here's the funny part: (Btw, nobody gets
injured and this is a direct quote)

    "We forget the can opener, but we have an ax."

Yep.

                Mwah!, Ms. Vilkas
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From declan63 at xxx.com  Wed Feb 28 06:18:34 2001
From: declan63 at xxx.com (jay)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:18:34 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Try it, It's Rich & Chocolatey!
References: <200102182005.PAA27210@barry.mail.mindspring.net>
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From: "Vilkas D'Angelo-Horvath" <vilkas at xxx.com>
To: <sinister at missprint.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 2:12 PM
Subject: Sinister: Try it, It's Rich & Chocolatey!


dear god, man, don't you ever rest?!


i'm crawling through a bunch of mail from the past two weeks, and couldn't
resist this.



>     And I know two things about the Go-Betweens other than 'You should
hear
> them, you'd love'em'; is Molly Ringwald's notebook in sixteen candles. Her
> character had it written big across her notebook. Or is that just a skewed
> memory? I think that might be wrong, I think it's a John Hughes production
> though. Plus the Leonard Cohen tribute album with Robert Forster singing a
> song. Mr. Forster's voice is reeeeallllly nice.


the band on molly's notebook was the rave-ups, who i believe were the club
band in "pretty in pink"?

robert does indeed have a great voice.  it's a shame that his "tower of
song" has to compete with nick's though.  i guess they couldn't decide on
which of ten versions to use and just used them all?  nick also wipes the
floor with his "avalanche" from 1984.  that wimpy french guy on "i'm your
fan" doesn't stand a chance.  :)

speaking of wiping the floor  ( oh groan, groan) i fully understand your
dustmop compulsion.  i'm a complete sucker for domestic objects.  i still
lust after the mondo kitchen-aid counter mixer.  "oh my god it's the coolest
thing i've ever seen!  but when the hell do i bake anything???  can i
justify $200+ bucks for something i'll only dust and stare at?"  i get
pulled in by flashy new cleaning supplies too.  i always have to stop in
that aisle and peer around, usually walking away with a blue toilet duck
just to satisfy my cravings.  yes, i love the blue water!  who wouldn't?
and i find i'm still brushing the toilet in my now former roommate's
apartment whenever i'm in the bathroom, even though his girlfriend replaced
me when i left.  well, it's my brush after all, and i can pretend i'm still
living away from home while i struggle to enter grad school out of mom's
house.  i feel very sneaky though.  "hey, who cleaned the toilet?"  i know
*he* won't.  i'll enjoy visiting my couches and coffee table they're
thoughtfully "boarding" for me once she finally unpacks and clears the
living room.  they're not messy people so it's infinitely better than
renting a storage space until i move back out.

as i've probably mentioned before, it is a mindblowing experience to the
(then) 24 year old mind to buy *new* furniture.  "i just bought a sleeper
sofa with matching loveseat?!  who the hell am i???"

i still want that mixer though.  it just looks so "atomic age".  i'll need a
black and white checkered kitchen floor for it though.

oh, and i get all my film developed in the big evil store too, and they do a
good job, so......  i'm sticking with wolf though on the slides and giant
enlargements.  know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em, you know?
"you could've actually possibly sold this picture, but, uh, i think the
night cleaning crew threw away your negative.........would you like a free
roll?"

and yes, mike, of montreal are great! :)

jay

"you know.....black and white.....would just capture the moment"  "awww"
"awwwwwww!"



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From cramp at xxx.org  Wed Feb 28 08:42:01 2001
From: cramp at xxx.org (rob)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:42:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Riding With Lady Luck
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0102280013470.9576-100000@blastfurnace.suppression.org>

Listfolk,

You do find the durndest things on college bulletin boards. I myself the
other day found posted an offer of monetary reward, to offer my
opinion in a discussion of bank services. Research, y'see. Corporate
research. Without the appropriate skepticism, I signed up. They inundated
me with reminders in the month between the sign-up and date of
discussion. They even telephoned me the day before; yes, my opinion was
worthwhile; it could change corporate structure; economic democracy was
staging a miraculous return to the U-nited States.

Then, the bikeride there, I tried to do too much. I bought the new Liliput
CD, tried some polyester pants on, in lieu of finding my destination. As
it happened, I got a little lost, riding all around the circumference of
the bustling mall before finding the right place. They wanted my opinion
at 5:00, but I walked in the door at 5:07, to a glaring secretary.

: I'm here to participate in the survey.
 : Sorry sir, they've already started.
: Well, can I just read the instructions and go in?
 : You're late. Don't go in. Wait, stay here.

[annoyance at me, and more of it. she leaves her position monitoring the
conference room by speakerphone, and walks into the room. the speakerphone
betrays me, offers only muffled talk.]

 : Well sir, you'll get your money.
: Aright, should I just go on in?
 : No sir, you're not allowed to enter the discussion.
: Here you are.

[hands me a white envelope, with a crisp bill rarely seen: $50]

: Uhhhhhhh. Uh.
 : If you had been twenty minutes late, we wouldn't have paid you.
 : But you were less than ten. Next time be on time. [curt]
: You can see why I'm puzzled that I'm getting paid.
 : You can see why *we're* puzzled that you came late.
: [no. i. can't. i leave.]

How to avoid crashing due to incredulity on the way home?

Then, today, sitting in my sociology class entitled American Capitalism,
my teacher began to discuss incentives of buying and selling under
various capitalist economic configurations. Buying and selling,
abbreviated in his frenetic style, B&S. Soon there was B&S all over the
board, and I swore I would not let this incident sully my understanding of
those little initials.

Talk talk,

Rob

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From jellybabs at xxx.com  Wed Feb 28 10:34:32 2001
From: jellybabs at xxx.com (Katy Dutton)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:34:32 
Subject: Sinister: PS
Message-ID: <F1783HvoFOAmEaJswFC000007da@hotmail.com>

Sorry for repeating some stuff.  I didn't see those mails about the 
unplugged thing until now.
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From jellybabs at xxx.com  Wed Feb 28 10:31:28 2001
From: jellybabs at xxx.com (Katy Dutton)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:31:28 
Subject: Sinister: More about the alleged gig...
Message-ID: <F152T6Z3LstPGtPrPrv00000939@hotmail.com>

Wee gig update here, don't know if it's anything new or not.

My lfatmate, Alsion, works for the GU Guardian and according to her it may 
be at 2pm this very afternoon, in the Williams Room in the John Mac. 
building.  Just a rumour though.  But they'd better be quick - rectorial 
voting closes at 5pm today.  To be honest, I think Struan has been seriously 
mismanaged by a certain fan who asked him to do it in the first place.

I did manage to get a ticket for the gig.  However, all the poster, mails 
etc say that it will be a gig with B&S...but the tickets say it will be a 
'very special live appearance' and make no mention of the band.  Plus, 
reportage from the GU Guardian flatmate type enlightens us further - she 
seems to think that it will be a solo acoustic set.

Oh, Stuart and Stevie did play an impromptu unplugged set of 2 songs (I 
Beatles, 1 new B&S) on Sunday.  I'm sure the customary free pints were well 
earned.

But anyway...back to the gig stuff.  I think that it'll be great if it goes 
ahead, but I also think it's very unfair to get the hopes of 200+ fans up 
(think of those who queued and didn't get tickets too).  I mean, before I 
knew Stuart was standing, my vote was with Alasdair Gray.  Fair enough, 
Stuart would still be a great rector if the gig didn't go ahead, and it is 
the poor management provided by his campaign team that I think is to blame.  
But, if the gig didn't go ahead and we'd all been messed around, it'd make 
me seriously reconsider my vote - Alasdair Gray, after all, is a fine 
candidate too.

Rant over.  Back to your places, children.

Katy x
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From mollerenshaw at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 28 11:54:50 2001
From: mollerenshaw at xxx.uk (Mark J Ollerenshaw)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:54:50 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Stumble then rise on some awkward morning
Message-ID: <3A9CE70A.687608FA@incompetent.co.uk>


Hmmm. I think perhaps it's time to stop hiding behind the curtains 
and announce my presence on the list. Not that I felt I had anything 
in particular to hide from - I just constantly find myself lurking 
and moping about and feel I ought to make an effort - my mum always 
said I could mope for England, not that that's anything to be proud of. 

Anyway. 

Here I am, sitting in my room in (currently rainy) Southampon, Hampshire
(abbreviated Hants - why _is_ that?), England, sending messages down
wires and across the world to people who don't even know me. Out of
interest, are there many other people here from the South Coast
(Southampton in particular, or even better the University)? No? 
Never mind. 

I suppose an introduction is in order - I'm 19, wear too many 
hats, and am bitter that I never quite made six feet. Grrrr. 
Will that do? 

Another thing: Does anyone here know how to console an inconsolable
best friend who's just lost his girlfriend of 1.5 years? I am 
currently failing miserably, managing only to patronise and irritate. 

I suppose since I have failed so far to include any Belle and 
Sebastian content I should at least attempt a recommendation 
(music _almost_ counts, doesn't it?). So: everyone has to go to
www.peoplesound.com, search for Carousels, and buy their album 
(which I believe is only available through peoplesound who I 
don't actually work for despite having mentioned their name twice 
in the same sentence. Dammit). It's great - kind of the Kinks 
mixed with Looper and lots of other things, only not, and they're
unsigned so need lots of support. Hurrah, and suchlike. 

Well, I'm going to run off now, before I make myself look any more
foolish than I already have done. 

Do I use brackets too much? 

I hate colds, and not sneezing. 
Mark O. 

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From rob_brennan at xxx.uk  Wed Feb 28 12:51:02 2001
From: rob_brennan at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Brennan?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:51:02 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Sinister: giving up is hard to do
Message-ID: <20010228125102.90765.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com>

Sinister!

Who would have thought that last night's pleasant
pancake-party was actually a cunningly wrought trap...

We were happily munching down our pancake-wrapped
stir-fried veg (delicious by the way).  Then our
vaguely christian-leaning hosts steered the
conversation around to Lent and the traditional
giving- up of one of your vices for 40 days.  I'm not
a christian but I still give presents at Christmas so
why not?  My offers to give up work, bathing or
dropping obscure pop references into conversations
failed to impress anyone - so I was eventually
persuaded to take up a challenge...  exercise!

Anyone who's met me knows my relationship with
exercise so far has been a cold one - ever since I
discovered that being cynical about fit healthy people
is easier than being one.  And young people don't
worry about turning into wobbly lard-buckets when
they're older.

I'm getting older.

So I have resolved to run like a bastard - at least
twice a week, maybe more - until I nearly collapse for
at least the next six weeks.  Who knows - maybe at the
next picnic I'll be the lithe, flat-bellied athlete
that you always knew lurked inside the ugly fat man.

I realised that I got off lightly as others around the
table found themselves forced to give up chocolate,
swearing, tea, porn or alcohol.  I can still do all
those things!

It also occurred to me that this is a really good idea
and can actually work when there's peer pressure
involved.  So is anyone else prepared to drop their
unhealthy addictions or take up new healthy lifestyles
for this six-week church-imposed trial period?  Maybe
Ken could give up red bull? (maybe not - waits to be
pelted with empty redbull cans)

That'll do

Robster   

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From idleberry at xxx.com  Wed Feb 28 14:27:03 2001
From: idleberry at xxx.com (idleberry)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 06:27:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: white rabbits, doing a murdoch, and far far too much alcohol for a week.
Message-ID: <20010228142703.10423.qmail@web611.mail.yahoo.com>

The smoking quit thing isn't going quite as planned.
Too many nights in smokey, drinky venues.

Right, quick thing about whats going on.

Went to an indie night a week last monday with this
girl I'm pals with called Sara. Had an amazing time,
bumped into these blokes who knew me (one of whom I
couldn't remember even though he knew every detail
about me.). A fight broke out, and people got arsy,
and indie boys burst into tears. People took drugs,
and I played the game of being "no dear, don't fall up
the stairs, you need a breath of fresh air, that would
help"
Oh, and saw this bloke there who works at the bookshop
and looks like Stuart David. Don't know his name, but
was suprised.

Went to see El Hombre Trajeado, Kaito, and Sputniks
Down last Thursday. Got a bit drunk and then proceeded
to chat to Sputniks Down and ask why the hell they
didn't leave the cosy duvet of glasgow more often.
See? we don't bite.
Also discovered, that although I am going to be
involved in doing some sort of fanzine thing with my
uni indie society (which has a crap name) I'm going to
do a Murdoch (no, not literally you dirty thinkers)
and I'm refusing to do interviews cos I needlessly
make a prat of myself and go all gushy and gruppie-
like. And you know, I'm not good at pretending to be
cool like you lot and sophisticated. I'll stick to the
drinking instead. Much more becoming when I start
talking bullplops. Saw that little Stuart David
lookalike man again. 

Weekend, well, you don't want to know. Oh, went for a
coffee with a mate and discussed stuff that I'm not
going to tell you, and resisted H+M with my switch
card.

Then last night, saw that little Stuart David man
again at a hip hop drum'n'bass night. Decided to
nickname him the little white rabbit. As in Alice In
Wonderland. Cos everywhere I go, he just pops up and
runs away. He seems to be a sign I think. A sign that
I'm going to have fun.  It was odd. It was this
private party and this friend of a friend had hired it
for his birthday. Saw people again who knew me. Its
always the sort of vague knowing, rather than pally
knowing. If you know what I mean. They know me from
first year. I think most of campus did.
Anyway, got drunk, moral: aftershock is ace but evil,
then me and my pal wandered up stairs to see what was
going on there. Very decadent in a kewl way, Miss
Scarlet would surely cream her pants with joy. It
looked like it would fit in with her website.
Anyway, theres all these people sitting there looking
like, you know, intent and stuff and interested.
Nodding heads, brows furrowed with understanding and
thoughtfulness in a arty bohemian way. And this music
coming from the corner. Me and my pal stood looking
perplexed round the room. This bloke spotted me who
complimented me on my t shirt when I was at Sputniks
Down gig and gave me a nod. And this music. it was
like some sort of new age jazz keyboard playing. And
she and I, having danced and boogied like chickens
(*apparently*) to drum'n'bass and garage and whatever
else have you; stood, perplexed. We noticed all this,
and neither of us could control the laughter that
burst forthwith from our inconsiderate mouths. It was
like a blimin' funeral! 

Also discovered that screw Glasgow, man, we have our
local indie "talent" (exception of Kaito who are crap
and wannabe Elastica or Sleeper and even sang one very
bis esque song that I decided to sing along to, cos
I'm cool like that.) working for us on campus. Stephen
Pastel in John Smiths (R.I.P)? Pah ha! we don't even
have to leave the campus without having local indie
types serving us.

I've been wanting to write here for the past week, but
I couldn't be arsed and I've got an attitude problem
towards being arsed.

Idles





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From steven.kado at xxx.ca  Wed Feb 28 14:48:39 2001
From: steven.kado at xxx.ca (Steven Kado)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 09:48:39 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Painted From Mucous
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Message-ID: <005001c0a195$8cb75cc0$3202a7d1@yesic.com>

And i thought i had left the elvis costello list behind me.  sigh.....

emma discovery spoke about the worst elvis costello album ever and how its
backing vocals made leonard cohen look really really subtle.  yes.  then jay
said.

> PFM is not a *bad* album, and after all, bacharach can do
> some really good, cool stuff, but when the 80s schmaltz bacharach mode
comes
> crashing down, with tacky keyboards and backing vocals, most
incriminatingly
> on "such unlikely lovers", i really must run and hide.

the funny thing is that my friend  is in composition and so for fun this
summer he actually sat down and took apart some jim o rourke arrangements
and compared them to the readily availble printed baccharach arrangements
and the news on the street is:  jim o rourke does a better bacharach that
the man himself.  its this kind of hyperreality that those little men in
europe seem to object so much to but there we go.  when i said 'better'
earlier on of course i meant 'more interesting/complicated without sounding
that way' which is the way that composition students think... needless to
say, the last two jim o rourke solo records were way better at being over
done schmalz than PineFoxMembrane ever was.  Working with Burt was almost
Elvis' way of getting up on a table and announcing that he had decided to be
resolutely past his prime and that he was going to stick to wearing stupid
hats and not shaving.   I wish he would be taken prisoner by terrorists and
be put in a plush terrorist hang-out where he was perfectly comfortable and
had all his needs looked after but could not issue any more albums.  that
would be swell.  if elvis costello reads the bogdan and svetlana mailing
list here is my message to you from the canals of mars and the great barrier
reef:  GIVE IT UP!!!

Then Jay said things about the last zombies album and that was ok..  rah!
the zombies!
they were probably the first band to be marketed as nerds.  The zombies are
gigantic and block out the sun.  the many and sundry elephant six people
doing that piano thing (so correctly identitified by jay) really do need to
find a new gimick.

The thing about leonard cohen is that its not the band i hate its the fans
so to say....leonard cohen people (sorry there are exceptions of course
but...) are really grating.  they all want to read me their poetry.  they're
sort of like leeches.  they all want someone from somewhere else to tell
them what to do,... it bothers me.  that said, my mother likes leonard
cohen, so i grew up with his records (also i very much like my mother).  but
then i also grew up with Neil Diamond who is MILES better than leonard cohen
because he not only wrote i'm a believer but also Sweet Caroline etc.  when
i was young i used to confuse Leonard and Neil.  they both kind of looked
the same to me...there we'rent many weathered looking whiteguys with sort of
poofy hair in my life as a child and they all looked the same to me.  *early
cohen's hair looks alot like the way that neil;s still does...as a child my
survey of album cover fotos was far from comprehensive.  rest assured,
gentle reader, i am now fully able to discern one from the other.

In fact, it was the kind of chuggy accoustic guitars in bass and salmon
harkening back to the famous neil diamond rhythm guitar tracks that first
triggered the pleasant childhood memories (that kind of plastic that they
used to use in car interiors, green carpeting) that made bisque and
silverware so appealing to me.  not that StooMoo sounds anything like Neil
Diamond, but thats kind of a good thing isn't it.  He'd never have gotten
anywhere in these modern times sounding like Neil Diamond.  Neil is the one
i really feel sorry for...

i'm getting older this week but i don't have a birthday...which sucks...the
awful creeping birthday feeling doesn't have a particular day to settle on
and destroy so it just ruins my week.  whine whine whine....


s t e v e n

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From jaffa_cakes at xxx.com  Wed Feb 28 16:01:59 2001
From: jaffa_cakes at xxx.com (Pamela Tait)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:01:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian @ Glasgow Uni
Message-ID: <10311447.983376119208.JavaMail.imail@ally.excite.com>

hello troops.

Went to the gig thing but I had to watch the performance on a telly cos I'm
not at Glasgow Uni.

Tracks were:
Slow Graffiti
I Fought In A War
Too Much Love
*song I couldn't hear cos this guy was shouting*
The Wrong Girl
Sympathy For The Devil - The Rolling Stones!!!
Legal Man

they were rocking out and looked a bit weedy but Stevie Jackson's 'animated'
performance towards the end of The Stones number made up for it.

Spoke to Isobel in the loo beforehand. I still think that girls weird.
Anyway, Chris Geddes was still yum and Mick still looks about ten years old.

Some things never change.

Right.

Got to go.

Anyone else go? Anyone actually get in?

I want answers......

Pamela
xxx

And one last thing. My friend was in the hall and she said Stuart kept
putting his hand in his pocket and looked like he was playing with himself.
the durty boy......
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From pedrigui at xxx.br  Wed Feb 28 16:28:05 2001
From: pedrigui at xxx.br (Pedro Itapema)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:28:05 -0300
Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian @ Glasgow Uni
References: <10311447.983376119208.JavaMail.imail@ally.excite.com>
Message-ID: <000901c0a1a3$6f912be0$5a0dbfc8@grandy>

wow, first a Beatles cover and now Simpathy for the Devil?! Wow, I really
need this songs! Anyone?

(I also heard about they did a "Like a rolling stone" cover, anyone knows
where i can get it? - and yeah, I tryed Napster several times, but never
found it......)

And, I would like to know what is the diference between the BBC Sessions,
the Radio 1 Sessions and the Mark Radcliff Sessions. If possible, their
respectives tracklists, please.

cheers;
pedro
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From: "Pamela Tait" <jaffa_cakes at xxx.com>
To: <sinister at missprint.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 1:01 PM
Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian @ Glasgow Uni


> hello troops.
>
> Went to the gig thing but I had to watch the performance on a telly cos
I'm
> not at Glasgow Uni.
>
> Tracks were:
> Slow Graffiti
> I Fought In A War
> Too Much Love
> *song I couldn't hear cos this guy was shouting*
> The Wrong Girl
> Sympathy For The Devil - The Rolling Stones!!!
> Legal Man
>
> they were rocking out and looked a bit weedy but Stevie Jackson's
'animated'
> performance towards the end of The Stones number made up for it.
>
> Spoke to Isobel in the loo beforehand. I still think that girls weird.
> Anyway, Chris Geddes was still yum and Mick still looks about ten years
old.
>
> Some things never change.
>
> Right.
>
> Got to go.
>
> Anyone else go? Anyone actually get in?
>
> I want answers......
>
> Pamela
> xxx
>
> And one last thing. My friend was in the hall and she said Stuart kept
> putting his hand in his pocket and looked like he was playing with
himself.
> the durty boy......
> ......................................................
> I AM OBSESSED WITH BOTTLE GREEN MINI COOPERS. FEAR ME..
>
>
>
>
>
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> http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
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From tmalone3 at xxx.net  Wed Feb 28 19:08:25 2001
From: tmalone3 at xxx.net (tmalone3 at xxx.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:08:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: The earth just shook!
Message-ID: <200102281906.TAA25467@missprint.org>

Very disturbing stuff here.  The earth has just shaken!  I'm sure this
isn't supposed to happen.  Especially not in a relatively sophisticated
city like Seattle.  So whoever is causing this, please stop. :) 
Anyway, I have to go clean up my record collection, its everywhere.

-- 
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From mouser at xxx.net  Wed Feb 28 19:34:34 2001
From: mouser at xxx.net (Shawn and Emily)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:34:34 -0500
Subject: Sinister: link for NME.com review of Glasgow Uni Show
References: <200102281906.TAA25467@missprint.org>
Message-ID: <000901c0a1bd$7b12e2a0$e218fea9@7b74c01>

Hello Everyone.
If you are interested in reading basically the same thing everyone else has
mentioned so far, please go to:

http://www.nme.com/NME/External/News/News_Story/0,1004,18864,00.html

If anyone who attend the show and recorded it would like to make a trade, my
list can be found here:

www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/disco/4880  (*please note that I will give you
your choice of three shows in exchange for a copy of the new gig.)

Thanks very much,
Shawn

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From geishalass at xxx.com  Wed Feb 28 19:36:14 2001
From: geishalass at xxx.com (Red Geisha)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:36:14 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Fwd: Cure for Ennui - Popscene! Toronto
Message-ID: <F211TIFprhMOgRGkQ6m0000120f@hotmail.com>

A night that plays loads of Belle and Sebastian...19+ obviously.
>Suffering severe winter ennui and in feverish need of distraction?  
>Popscene
>is back this Friday, March 2nd, 2001 at the Manhattan Club.  Manhattan Club
>is located at 19 Balmuto Street, which is situated south of Bloor and west
>of Yonge (across from William Ashley on Bloor), TORONTO.  If you are
>impatiently looking for champagne pop, bossa nova beats, UK-indie, soul,
>rock, mod, ska and  smatterings of disco in an eclectic evening that will
>rip you from your seat and drive you to the dance floor - Popscene awaits
>you.
>
>The next Popscene illuminates Manhattan Club this Friday.
>
>Other Popscene's to anticipate: March 30th and April 6th.
>
>Feel free to infect others with Popscene by forwarding this message.
>
>Contact information for Popscene is mod_max @yahoo.com

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From tmalone3 at xxx.net  Wed Feb 28 19:37:49 2001
From: tmalone3 at xxx.net (tmalone3 at xxx.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:37:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: The earth just shook!
In-Reply-To: <40.810dd26.27ceaa25@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200102281936.TAA08649@missprint.org>

On 28 Feb, OnLanguage at aol.com wrote:
> it shook here too -
> up from you but just barely.
> 
> washingtonians are babies. only a 6.2!
> in any case, i hope everythings ok for you.
> 
> -stefanie
It wasn't too bad, and we aren't supposed to get any after shocks.  It
looks like there was some damage though in downtown Seattle.

And yes, we are babies.  Its true, we get an inch of snow and the city
shuts down. :)

-- 
Tim Malone

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From kittenmouse at xxx.com  Wed Feb 28 19:53:38 2001
From: kittenmouse at xxx.com (Andrea Kittenmouse)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:53:38 -0800
Subject: Sinister: Eek.
Message-ID: <F158tosJ3Ih7jtrSByh0001424d@hotmail.com>

Holy crap! I was just in a gen-yoo-wine earthquake! Did anyone else in the 
Northwest notice that?  Are all you kids in Seattle ok?  Tim?  Jen?  
Everyone?  Anyway, WOW!!  I've never actually experienced a real earthquake 
before.  Ok, now you can all make fun of me.
Yours,
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From howied41 at xxx.com  Wed Feb 28 19:59:39 2001
From: howied41 at xxx.com (David Howie)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:59:39 -0000
Subject: Sinister: Sinister Junios Reporter reporting for duty.
Message-ID: <LAW2-F69NzPZrIkyPzG00000ddf@hotmail.com>

The Scene:

John McIntyre Hall, instruments strewn across the stage: Wurlitzer; opaque 
black electric guitar; transparent bass; blond electro-coustic with a turtle 
shell scratch-plate; drums (drums are just drums aren�t they); piano; cello 
(lovely instrument); and violin.

The pasty-faced vegan geeks sit cross-legged abreast the tabernacle, where 
the angelic chimings of Belle and Sebastian is sacrificed for the next 45 
minutes.  There they come, look.  It�s them.  Stuart.  Richie.  Stevie.  Wee 
Chris.  Surly Isobel.  Lovely Sarah.  Oh my God, a Maisonette?  Surely not 
Legal Man live.  Hmmm.  Worried look adorns the face of young Howie.

Stuart scurries about collecting lyric sheets as the Belles play an 
Introductory ditty.  Low melodic shuffling chords hide behind the irascible 
drawl of Stevie�s harmonica solo.  One-and-a-half minutes of aural 
egg-shells; Stuart still looking fer tit-bits.  He steps to the microphone, 
mumbles something about opening the floor for questions.  �Stuart, what are 
the issues?�  Hmm.  Ahh. Well.  That�s a rather boring question, in that it 
means I have to think, pines Struan.  You tell me the issues and I�ll tell 
you my attitude towards them, he jests.

Murdoch moves for the piano, Sarah steps to the fore adjusting the lead 
microphone so as to allow the audience to here her violin.

�There�s a portrait *Clunk*� in a backroom, which I keep *Clunk*� for days� 
*Clunk*��  Stops.  Are you about finished moving that?  Laughter implores 
the room.  Stevie breaks into a smile; or, rather, a smile breaks into 
Stevie.  Back to the song.  �There�s a portrait��  It�s glorious.  Euphony 
abounds as the angel ascends to a sonorous heaven.  �Epiphany� lies dormant, 
too limp a word to describe Murdoch�s iridescent genius.

Much shuffling of people.  Positions assumed; instruments swapped: they�re 
ready.  I envisage the band as a sort of amorphous cosmic space-jazz 
septuplet.  Na, not really.  He said: I envisage the band as some sort of 
building that still has its scaffolding up and you�re all not allowed in yet 
but somehow you�ve broken in.  We�ll arrange some coupon system so you can 
come back and see us when we�ve practised a little, jokes Murdoch.  
�COUPONS?  You give me COUPONS?� jests Geddes.  They don�t get the 
reference, says Murdoch.  We don�t get the reference.  Needless to say that 
I Fought in a War remains a wholesale Love song as well as love song: and, 
thus, fantastic if a bit obvious.

There�s Too Much Love, though (the song Nick Dastoor described as the 
typical B&S sound that they�ve been driving toward) is frenetic and 
ecstatic.  Vintage Belle and Sebastian augmented by outstanding performances 
all round.  My God, this GIG was good.  Missed Bowlie: sad.

Stuart introduces the next track as a song that was going to be on the 
soundtrack that they�re recording.  However, the director didn�t like it so 
it probably won�t see light of day fer a while.  Murdoch was going to detail 
the story of the film (as the song was scheduled to be at the end of the 
film) but he realised that that would give away the ending.  Aww.  Centred 
around a duopoly of riffs: curt but skewed LLPJ riff played out over and 
over for 3 bars then raved up for the fourth.  Murdoch�s  back at his 
lyrical best, poetic (but not flowery) lyrics which retain coherency and a 
sense of �knowing what they want to say� (Cf. Women�s Realm, The Model).  
The story is told from the view of an ageing director/actor who has sold 
out.  �Take another tired story� make it into another boring movie.  
However, the protagonist redeems himself by returning to the smaller stage, 
the theatre.  The whole �sell-out/integrity of art theme� centred lyric 
delivered against a �poppy� (sorry, loose description) tune.

Then a pretty straight version of The Wrong Girl, which is no preparation 
for what comes next.  Sympathy For The Devil (nee a Rolling Stones song).  
You do it, I don�t want to sing.  �Well, I would sing but I want to 
concentrate on the guitar� opines Stevie.  Ahh, go on.  �But I want to be 
Mick.  I can�t be Keith and Mick at the same time.�  Rapturous laughter.  
Then they play it and it rocks.  Sorry, it BelleandSebastians.  It�s grate.  
Capital GRATE.  Stevie jokes his way through imitation Mick dancing and 
pointing augmenting this performance by singing the last verse in a 
faux-Mick falsetto.  They pulled it off.  Despite the fact it was a 
shambles, if you know what I mean.  This song leaks into Legal Man, the 
maisonettes trying their hardest to contain their inner-laughter.  The girls 
seem unenthusiastic but the song-that-should-be-a-shambles-live is not: it�s 
Legal Man it makes you want to dance.  It makes you want to sing.  It makes 
you want to live.  It makes you want Belle and Sebastian.  It makes it all 
make sense.  Well, maybe not.  Ahem.  Settles.  That�s it.  Damn, no space 
to deconstruct what it all means�

Sinister Junior Reporter,

David Howie.

PS They've got a new track called: "Take Your Carriage Clock and Shove It"  
Teehee.




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From kitsapcd at xxx.com  Wed Feb 28 20:49:53 2001
From: kitsapcd at xxx.com (Disc Go Round Bremerton)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:49:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sinister: I Love Rock & Roll....
Message-ID: <20010228204953.4820.qmail@web6303.mail.yahoo.com>

...but I hate it when the earth rocks & rolls.  Big
news!  They've just upgraded the BIG SEATTLE QUAKE to
a 7.0 on the Richter scale!  Woo-Hoo!  See, we may be
babies up here, but we know a big quake when we feel
it!  Andrea Kittenmouse:  I'm fine, and it appears Tim
is fine, and all I know are fine and I'm glad to hear
you are, too, but I'm afraid to go home.  My apartment
probably looks like a bomb hit it!  I've felt these
before, having grown up in California, but it's still
scary.  You U.K. kids are lucky you don't have to put
up with this shit. 
  Sorry, no Belle & Sebastian content other than it
sounds like the GU gig was fabulous and I'm terribly
jealous of all who attended.  OK, I'm off to continue
to be freaked out.
  Peace Out, Yo,
  Jen (jerkgirl)

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From jonathan.skinner at xxx.net  Wed Feb 28 22:28:33 2001
From: jonathan.skinner at xxx.net (jonathan skinner)
Date: 28 Feb 2001 22:28:33 +0000
Subject: Sinister: i'm off to practice my affectations
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From jiffy_popper at xxx.com  Wed Feb 28 23:43:05 2001
From: jiffy_popper at xxx.com (Genevieve Wesley)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:43:05 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Underground Parking Lot
Message-ID: <F197gZu6WY9IuXZ2y2F00001456@hotmail.com>

I think I am maybe a little too late for the Plath/Hughes discussion, not 
too bad, as I don't really know anything about them, but I thought this bit 
was lovely, especially for you artistic sinister types:

Ted Hughes's Poetry in the Making

It is better to call it an assembly of living parts moved by a single 
spirit. The living parts are the words, the images, the rhythms. The spirit 
is the life which inhabits them when they all work together. It is 
impossible to say which comes first, parts or spirit. But if any of the part 
are dead... if any of the words, or images or rhythms do not jump to life as 
you read them... then the creature is going to be maimed and the spirit 
sickly. So, as a poet, you have to make sure that all those parts over which 
you have control, the words and rhythms and images are alive. That is where 
the difficulties begin. Yet the rules, to begin with, are very simple. Words 
that live are those which we hear, like "click" or "chuckle", or which we 
see, like "freckled" or "veined", or which we taste, like "vinegar" or 
"sugar", or touch, like "prickle" or "oily", or smell, like "tar" or 
"onion". Words which belong directly to one of the five sense. Or words 
which act and seem to use their muscles, like "flick" or "balance".
But immediately things become more difficult. "Click" not only gives you a 
sound, it gives you the notion of a sharp movement...such as your tongue 
makes in saying "click". It also gives you the feel of something light and 
brittle, like a snapping twig. Heavy things do not click, nor do soft 
bendable ones. In the same way, tar not only smells strongly. It is sticky 
to touch, with a particular thick and choking stickiness. Also it moves, 
when it is soft, like a black snake, and has a beautiful black gloss. So it 
is with most words. They belong to several of the senses at once, as if each 
one had eyes, ears and tongue, or ears and fingers and a body to move with. 
It is this little goblin in a word which is its life and its poetry, and it 
is this goblin which the poet has to have under control.

Marybeth wrote:
2. Wouldn't it be fantasmic if a certain Mr. Murdoch rewrote The
Beautiful South's "Song for Whoever" and changed all the names to his little 
muses? Lazy Jane, Photo Jenny, Judy and Lis(a) oh i forget your
name........

I love the chorus of that song, but the way that song begins! Cringe. It 
sounds so adult ontemporary contorted-facial-expressions-on-the-piano, but 
maybe it's deliberate cheesiness. But I like the idea. Tom, Josh, Ben, Dan, 
Brad, Matthew, Ryan, Jason, Brook, Conrad, I wrote this song for YOU.
We are doing a Poetry section in class now. I did a sonnet about shopping 
for my first bra with Grandma at the Sears in Michigan. There's something 
really tacky yet memorable about lingerie section in department stores. I 
think Stuart got it perfectly with one of my favourite B&S lines, 'start in 
lingerie, and Doris is your supervisor'. Nightmares of tan underpants that 
go up to one's chin...that's why I am so glad Sinister chose Red Underwear 
as the offical celebration colour.

I think The Boy G and Erica should download 'No Means No' by Canadian 
popstar Ricky J. I can picture them dancing to it.

The Peacock also wrote to the list, intercepted.
I should slap you Peacock, but you might like that. Anyways, I'll try and 
persuade the 'pussy boys' but I'm not sure. I think they are mostly 
confused. So there is the picture of the two of you together, and clearly, 
that's THE PEACOCK. But is that Stuart David, shrouded in darkness? I should 
know my beloved's face, but..it's...all...so...hazy. Stuart David could be 
locked in your basement for all I know,Peacock.

I wonder who's behind this evil Murdoch plot, getting everyone excited for a 
non-existant gig in hopes of causing rage towards fair, gentle Struan. 
CONSPIRACY!!  I was excitedly hoping it was archenemy Alasdair Gray, 
prancing around in a tower with a feathered masque and cape while Struan is 
locked in a snow-globe, slender fingers pressed against the glass, but 
apparently Alasdair Gray is actually quite lovely. Maybe it's this Evil-Bob 
character?

Love and Pearl Necklaces,
Genevieve
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