From terryunderwear at xxx.com  Fri Aug  1 04:58:39 2003
From: terryunderwear at xxx.com (terry underwear)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 10:58:39 +0700
Subject: Sinister: i love my dryer
Message-ID: <DHHDAHHDOHNKMEAA@mailcity.com>

hello,

this first bit is a request for information and is very uninteresting, but it gets more interesting after that, i promise. 

I COULD DANCE ALL NIGHT LIKE I'M A SOUL BOY
A friend and I are going to try and organise a once a month or so club night, where we will play things like Belle and Sebastian, Jonathan Richman, The Go-Betweens, Nancy Sinatra, The Pastels, Beach Boys, Camera Obscura, Nina Simone...., and also some Electro Clash too.  I was hoping some of you lovely people could give me some advice, warnings etc about starting a club night.  Any info at all would be greatly appreciated. 

NOW I'M IN A MILLION PIECES, PICKED UP FOR DELIBERATION
Recently I have been emailing chocolate companies complaining about their product.  Here is an example:

"I recently purchased a *<insert name of chocolate bar here>* in a vending machine, and when I opened it the product had gone whiteish and had a much stronger cocoa flavour to it than normal.  I am a big fan of *<insert name of chocolate bar here>*, and of most *<insert name of chocolate manufacturer here>* products (especially *<insert name of different chocolate bar here>* so was a little disappointed by this experience."
So far this little ploy has yielded me $10 in postal orders, $10 in supermarket vouchers and a $4 cheque.  Next up I'm going to be "purchasing" several packets of soggy crisps.

I WANT TO PLAY FOOTBALL
Especially in the new Belle and Sebastian football shirt!  Gosh they're cute - as is Stuart in the pics...

PERTH PICNICS
Mid-August seems like a nice time for a Perth picnic.  You all know you want to, but I don't know that you want to, so tell me you want to and I shall organise something, somewhere, sometime.

HOT LINKS
Finally, if you go here: http://www.spunk.com.au/artists/belle.html
and scroll right down to the bottom there are some media downloads about a few B&S releases.  There are some interesting bits and pieces. 

love,
terry 
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caitlin and terry's sinister recipe tree archives: http://www.joannou.net/topofthestairs/sinifood/


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From boyincorduroy at xxx.com  Fri Aug  1 08:37:04 2003
From: boyincorduroy at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Mark=20Casarotto?=)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:37:04 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Shaking that ass? I DON'T think so.
In-Reply-To: <200307311734.SAA03312@missprint.org>
Message-ID: <20030801073704.86221.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com>

Lucy seems to hink I'm handily out of he way, and that
she can introduce scandal and rumour at my expense
willy-nilly. But she fogets that WE ARE ALL ONE GLOBAL
COMMUNITY OF HUGGLEZ, and I can see everything she
types. I can even see her as she's typing. Is that a
bit of toast in your cleavage, dear?

That first picture of me is just horrible. And as for
the hot pants, it's just scurrilous gossip on a
slow-news day. They're perfectly innocent shorts,
bought for $2 at a goodwill store in Denver, and they
don't reveal anything they shouldn't. I'm not that
kind of boy!

I hope all the REPORTING BACK inspires people to come
to more picnics 'n' clubs, cos they really can be
super. And I don't *only* play r'n'b, either.

It's raining in Italy, and I'm about to go cycling.
Terrifying skidding/insane drivers/wrong side of the
road images are flashing before my mind, so I'm off to
steel myself. Think of me always.

Mark xxx

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From stephanowic at xxx.it  Fri Aug  1 15:33:19 2003
From: stephanowic at xxx.it (Stefano [Steady-State])
Date: Fri,  1 Aug 2003 16:33:19 +0200
Subject: Sinister: (The Reasons) why I love the rain
Message-ID: <HIY33J$CD052E4A4E5B0AFC5FA0CC2B1D22DFC9@libero.it>



It is when it was up you in the morning gently tickling on the window, and everything outside doesn´t really look like any other day and is changing shape any now and then. I can stand watching at it sitting on the bad and listening to that noise that sparse cars are making while running away in the early hours. Then the world doesn´t look so crowded when I can look the widow in the morning. 

It is when I can smell the flowers and leaves and the ground and the grass. It just remembers me of some summer days of childhood when after the storm I use to rush in the woods to spot the trembling light filtered by the leaves of the chestnuts and the last few drops of rain hanged in their last breath to them. It´s when the autumn is coming that I wish I could walk back in my wood, to see the copper and the gold on the trees stretching their skinny arms to the open wide space. But I can still catch the smell of the ground in the way that leads me home. And that is good enough.

The wind was blowing in the thick green curtains my granddads used to repair from the sun in the warmth of the afternoon. And I dreamt to be a mariner. Like a character of an adventure book. Not a pirate. Just boarding to go somewhere far and mysterious. Somewhere hidden and undiscovered. But most of all staying in the middle of nothing surrounded by water, and the curtain, my sails, where dragger here and there and around, I was just stay starring at them, trying to catch the smell of the breeze, with my eyes half close, daydreaming of being god knows where. And that was enough to make my day. Until my grandmum would come and grab me, and lead me in the living the room from which I could loom at the thunderstorm, hanging on the armchair, as much as I am doing now. Was happy cause was cosy and the rain came rattling in.

  	Is going be a sunny week end the weather forecast said.
 
Take care
stefano

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in the time of the winter 
the waiter fell into the snow
he could hear a voice but 
will he ever find his way
if I'm so far from your 
heart why do I feel it beat
and time won't wait for us
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From willpie_00 at xxx.com  Fri Aug  1 15:37:36 2003
From: willpie_00 at xxx.com (Will Porter)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:37:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Bright Eyes?
Message-ID: <20030801143736.36220.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com>

My little nectarines:
Let me be the first to toss out an honestly flabbergasted "jigga what?"
in response to the announcement that Bright Eyes hisself will be
playing /on the same stage/ as Belle and Sebastian. The only reason I'm
sure it's not a joke is that you can't make that kind of shit up. 
Seriously, now. Bright Eyes? What a waste. Of Space. Of breath. Of a
good hour of your life while you await Belle and Sebastiany goodness.
I'd be less surprised to hear it was Napalm Death or, like, someone
who's dead. Bright Eyes? Hopefully they'll have a crew nearby to mop of
the pool of faux-self-effacing arrogance so the band don't get any on
their shoes. That shit is toxic, yo.
In other (less grumpy) news, I moved. From urban New Jersey all the way
past suburban New Jersey into rural New Jersey. Very soon, I'm going to
have a car. Exciting stuff, I tells ya. But here's a shout-out to my
friends in JC: big up to JC; give it up for JC; sorry I haven't seen
any of you for like a month and a half. I'll come down and visit.
Please keep the TV as your free gift.
Also, mad love for the Sauer-Hewitt household down under. They're in
Australia, but it's funner to say 'down under' on account of the sexual
connotations it bears for us prudish types. 
xes and os to spare,
Will Porter

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From karmakamilia at xxx.pt  Fri Aug  1 15:59:16 2003
From: karmakamilia at xxx.pt (ariana couvinha)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 15:59:16 +0100
Subject: Sinister: another night in the dozens of rented rooms...
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From competitionsmile at xxx.com  Fri Aug  1 20:04:33 2003
From: competitionsmile at xxx.com (Christine Irene)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:04:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: shoulda coulda woulda
Message-ID: <20030801190433.13623.qmail@web40608.mail.yahoo.com>

so many years ago, circa 91?  there was a mickey mouse
club offshoot "band" called The Party.  it was
comprised of 5 members of the show who recorded an
album or two together.  i had a crush on damon
pompolina....but i digress.  they had this song called
"Shoulda Coulda Woulda" about this interaction between
a boy/girl and thier crush.  it is sort of a song
about missed oppurtunities and longing....the typical,
teenage unrequited love sort of stuff.

this song is all i can think about since last night. 
i totally fumbled a moment that i have dreamed of for
years.

i knew that i was going to meet dave gahan last night.
 he is one of my very favourite singers of ever.  he
is also someone who has always kind of given me hope. 
he got to about the lowest point anyone can reach, and
pulled himself out of it, rebuilt his life, wrote and
recorded a lovely solo record, and is just someone who
has always been, at the risk of sounding naff,
inspiring to me.

so as i was saying.  i knew i was going to meet him
last night.  standing in line for the show, which was
to be the 30 minute acoustic foreplay for the show
tonight, i made a couple of new friends.  lovely
girls, chris and jaime.  

during the show, jaime and i were the only 2 people in
the venue standing up, singing, and dancing.....it was
the lamest crowd ever!!!!!  dave took notice of us,
jaime in particular as she is far more extroverted
than i...so all was fine.

he was to be doing a signing, which wasn't the
atmosphere in which i hoped to meet him, but it would
do.  i would at least get the opportunity to say hello
and tell him some of the speech i had been mentally
preparing for weeks.

it was going to be, in equal amounts, charming,
sincere, honest, thankful, non-scary, rationally
spoken, heartfelt, ironic, and profound.

i was going to tell him, in no detail, that the past
year has been less than good.  that keeping in mind
that people (him) have gone through similar things,
and worse things, and are still alive and kicking,
serves as a reminder that things aren't so bad.  i was
going to tell him that the words he sings, and the
manner in which he sings them, bring me to tears.  i
was going to say that i am really happy that he was
able to write and record an album on his
own....something he had been wanting to do for years. 
i was going to tell him that the words he wrote meant
something to me.  i was going to tell him that there
are a lot of us who think that he is talented in his
own right, outside of depeche mode.  i was going to
tell him so many things.

of course, that didn't happen.  when jaime chris and i
approached him, he grinned with recognition.  he said
to jaime and i "you seemed like you enjoyed
yourselves?"  she laughed.  he signed our items and
asked me my name.  i was an idiot.  i stood there,
catatonic almost, unsure about the whole thing and
questioning whether or not he was a real, tangible
person.   he asked me my name and i muttered "you're
amazing."  he smiled at me, winked and said thank you.
 jaime said, her name is christine.  he said "thank
you christine." and asked if we would be at the show
tonight.  

i blew it.  all of the things i wanted to tell
him....things it felt important for me to tell him,
and i didn't get any of it out.

hopefully my karma allows for second chances.

~stine

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From mary_goodshoes at xxx.com  Sat Aug  2 21:03:19 2003
From: mary_goodshoes at xxx.com (Miss Marianna Longmire)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 21:03:19 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Ghostbusted =  Best. Kids. Sketch. Ever.
Message-ID: <Law8-OE605WZaZFSkWo00001c16@hotmail.com>

Gosh, check me all big with the blushing.

With regards to Jay stalking the mini emo kids.

How jealous am I? The best I've been able to come up with are occasional
spottings of three hard core eight-year-old punks (spiky purple mohicans,
dog collars, ripped blazers) who float about Kentish Town waaaaaaay past
their bedtime.

With regards to s/talking to pop stars.

One dandy was quoted by another, "One should never talk to their idols, the
gilt might rub off." I think it's a fairly good rule to live by. Of course,
that doesn't stop me from following them down Kensington High St, nor does
it quell my desire to use hospital information to track down their home
address. In my defence of the latter, I was bored at work. Of course now
that we've got ourselves a deformity clinic, most of my work hours are
fruitfully spent ogling such delights as: the giant with a shrunken head!
The albino! The hunchback! The man split in two - vertically!

Still, digressions aside, if you do actually want some sort of interaction
with your hero, you could try the tactics of a very good friend of mine.
"Grab their arse." The celebs, I'm told, love it.

/I/ suggest you try that theory out on August 15 when list celebrity KEN CHU
(as henchman of the Red Bull Dozers) plays a show at the Winchester Club in
Glasgow. I'll be there and can barely contain my excitement at the prospect
of hearing the third best opening line in a song ever ("Ro-bert, your
nipples are pert"), along with eyeing up the veritable plethora of Scottish
Sinister Hotties who will be in attendance.

In fact, the impending jaunt to Scotland almost marks the start of my
intercontinental adventure! Excuse me whilst I go into 'screaming with girly
hysteria' mode: I'M GOING TO GLASGOW AND EDINBURGH AND THEN BACK TO LONDON
AND THEN CARDIFF AND THEN BACK TO LONDON AND THEN PERTH AND MELBOURNE AND
HAWAII AND LOS ANGELES AND DALLAS AND THEN BACK TO LONDON! Ahem. I'm really
awfully excited. I'll be seeing some of YOU and generally getting into
mischief and shall, at one point, temporarily stop being a fashionista as I
morph back into alternoverse Marianna and become a farm girl again. Still,
at least I can then legitimately (http://www.catandgirl.com/view.cgi?151)
wear a B+S truckers' hat.

xx Miss Marianna

P.S. A titbit for all you pop pickers. Two of Beyonce's outfits worn
recently on CD:UK (head to foot plus accessories, yo) are totally cheapies
from Top Shop. Mark Frith, will you hire me?



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From anders at xxx.com  Sun Aug  3 11:48:18 2003
From: anders at xxx.com (anders)
Date: Sun,  3 Aug 2003 12:48:18 +0200
Subject: Sinister: sinister: i drank ice-tea this morning.
Message-ID: <200308031248.AA532218032@bakvendtland.com>




- "hello sinister! i thought i might as well say a few words to the sinister list. 
why not?"

(i thought.
and here is the following converstaion starring me myself; - , and my negative self; ¤.)

- "why not?"

¤ "well, first of all; you don't really have anything to say?"

- "that's not a problem. i'll come up with something. i will write to write. not write because i want to write something wise and philosophic, or funny or... i mean, it doesn't have to even be special, if there only is something. something at all. and it's not like everyone that mails here have that much to say, some even seem to have just as much to say as i have"

¤ "you've got a point there, but that someone's rambling without much to say doesn't mean that you have to."

- "you didin't get my point. i'm not saying i want to write because i think other mails are boring or because i want to prove that i can do better or even be as everyone as else as you suggested. i am thinking about mailing simply because i feel that i should. i don't want to be lurking forever. and, to me; it seems harder to mail to the list for every day that passes without me mailing to the list. i seem to slide away from them, but i was thinking that if i mailed now i will get up to them again, but if i wait too long maybe i won't have the guts, you need guts to mail to such a list when you're just a shy boy, and as said, the guts required seems to increase with every day that passes, i slide away, but i'm hoping to get, in my head, up again by doing this."

¤ "ok. but why don't you just wait a couple of days. maybe something that will be worth telling about will happen within the next few days. or maybe when you start at your new school in a couple of weeks?"

- "yeah, i've been thinking that way too. but that's exactly why i'm writing now. i've been thinking like that for far too long. that to mail you have to have something that is worth telling about, something big, something that has changed your life, good or bad, something that has happened that someone'd care about. but what, i thought, do they care about? do they care about me braking my leg? not that i have, but would that be interesting? it certainly is a big change in my life, but frankly, i wouldn't care too much if a stranger said, "i broke my leg yesterday", of course i'd feel sorry for him, or her, for a moment, but i know i'd forgotten all about it ten minutes later. and it's that way with most things. although they mean a lot to someone, someone else may not care, but then, i know, you can get really interested in things that shouldn't really interest you, like when someone is telling about their socks or the colour of their living room or what sort of drink they !
 like. whether they drink orange juice or milk to breakfast, doesn't really matter, neither to them nor me, but still, it would, often, intersest me more to know that the person drank orange juice, and why, than to hear that he'd broken his arm, and why. sorry. but that's me. not that i don't care about the health of this guy, but it doesn't really give me anything to think about, except maybe; "be careful when you're riding a bike", but how exciting is that to think about? no, i realised when i thougt about this; it is not, necessarily, the content that decides how interesting something is. well it is. but you don't know what every person out there find interesting, so you have to think that the content doesn't matter, just write about what you want, and don't care too much about the rest of the world, of course you'll have to try make it nice, but...well what really matters, is that you write at all. that's what i think, and have been thinking for a while. wonder why i hav!
 en't been writing then..."

¤ "i think it is simply because you say all this, but when it comes to actually doing it... it sounds so easy. "write about everyday stuff. day to day life incidents. or big things, doesn't matter. just write and it'll all be so nice." but you don't because every time you sit there, with the cursor over the send button, ready to click, you think "why would anyone care? care about my miserable life?" and you move the cursor and instead click the red x in the top right corner. you have to have something to write about. something that'll interest, and you know it. don't try to deny it."

- "yeah, but as i said, you never know what will interest. that's the problem..."

¤ "...and if you don't say anything. you can't lose anything can you. no one even knows you're there. no one even knows that you exist."

- "and that will change now won't it?"

¤ "it would. if you had the guts to send."

- "i have. though i still don't know what to write about. i have no idea really."

¤ "that's what i said. you know you don't have anything to tell about that is even slightly interesting. just stop pretending you have. what are you going to write about?"

- "i don't know really. but... you know, that doesn't matter. i've got plenty of time to think about that. all until the next time i decide to change into the mail sending-someone from my lurking self. i don't have to write about anything now. this mail is far too long already. (and probably a bit boring too.) i've written enough by now. i know i haven't really said anything about anything. nothing too interesting, but..., maybe i'll do that the next time. whenever that'll be."

anders
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From the_sad_witch at xxx.com  Mon Aug  4 10:50:54 2003
From: the_sad_witch at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Gillian=20Kirby?=)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:50:54 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: the p[rodigal daughter of twee
Message-ID: <20030804095054.54094.qmail@web41307.mail.yahoo.com>

> Hi Sinisteriniinos,
>  
> I wrote to the list aaaaages ago, then exams and the
pressures of 
unemployment meant I haven't kept up[ with you for a
while. But now I have 
this nifty wee temp job that not only attempts to
quell the tide of 
nasty letters from the bank (who seem to have
forgottent hat people who 
have recently graduated are about as broke as
students, and there's no 
way I'll be paying off my overdraft overnoght) but
also means I can surf 
about on the internet inbetween typing the odd letter.
Mmmm, slacker 
lifestyles. And it's soo much cooler than the library,
because I can make 
cups of tea and sit on my own desk rather than being
watched by smelly 
old men reading the newspaper (apologies if you are an
old man who 
reads the newspaper in the library, I will presume you
are not hygenically 
challenged...)
>  
> But I think the main reason why I haven't been
participating much in 
Sinisterness is that my life hasn't been at all twee
or indie lately. 
It's been the end of the year and finals,m which has
meant giving up my 
job on the proviso that it means more time for work
(hah!) but what it 
really mean was -gasp-no money whatsoevcer. No more
trips to Smile or 
CD buying, not until I get my studenty debts sorted
out anyhow. I could 
download music once I sort out access at home (oh,
yeah, I don't have a 
CD burner...) but if home taping is killing musioc
then downloading is 
probably bludgeoning it to death with a big stick.
Naaah, I'll just 
isten to 6music over the web and save up my pennies
for the Hot Hot Heat 
album.
>  
> Anyhow, I managed to get my 2:1, don;'t know how but
it happened. 
However, in the past few weeks I've been turned down
by many companies, 
including telesales...being refused a telesales job
must make me 
officially unemployabl;e. So now I can either
prostitute myself to the temp 
agencies, become a 'charity mugger' or...live in a
yurt maybe? Not sure 
yet. i did see Jeffrey Lewis recently so I'm tryingt o
be al indie and 
twee, and I nearly wore a Hello Kitty top to work
today so you can't 
banish me from the twee club just yet :-) See  I long
to be an indie 
princess liek Idleberry, but I listen to Radio 2 too
much....in nobody's book 
is Wogan an indie icon*
>  
> less rambling,
>  
> -gillian
>  
> ps-if Chris from York is reading..pop me an email!
It's been ages....
> *Jeremy vine though....playing 'Leave the Capiutol
on daytime radio! 
Playing smiths songs that weren't even singles
invbetween debating WMD! 
Yay!!



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From jordiet at xxx.com  Mon Aug  4 12:52:55 2003
From: jordiet at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 04:52:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Benicassim accomodation !
Message-ID: <20030804115256.21780.h015.c000.wm@mail.nme.com.criticalpath.net>

Hi !

sorry for an urgent off-topic, but if anyone's coming to the Benicassim festival and wants
to use a hotel room that is available, send me a private email, right ? 

It's a small hotel in the center of town, and it'd cost like 240 euros, as they make you
book 7 nights....grrr....

Jordi 

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From competitionsmile at xxx.com  Mon Aug  4 13:05:22 2003
From: competitionsmile at xxx.com (Christine Irene)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 05:05:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: b&s
Message-ID: <20030804120522.47109.qmail@web40608.mail.yahoo.com>

for interested parties....

http://nme.com/news/105754.htm

~stine

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From thecatswillknow at xxx.it  Mon Aug  4 21:28:40 2003
From: thecatswillknow at xxx.it (=?iso-8859-1?q?Francesca?=)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 22:28:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Sinister: i could be dreaming
Message-ID: <20030804202840.93714.qmail@web41405.mail.yahoo.com>

hi sinister,
how are you?
isn't a great thing being on holiday? I'm always
wasting time and I don't feel guilty about it :)

have you heard about the singer of noir desir? I feel
a little strange having some CDs by them now, not that
the fact changes the music they played through the
years, but I won't ever listen to those CDs in the
same way I did before... 
oh well I was just chatting because I have nothing b&s
related to say... I'm sorry

ah, I have a pleasure to ask to Irish sinisterines:
I'll go to Dublin and Galway on holiday so if you have
any suggestions of nice shops and places and stuff can
you email me off list? sorry  I don't only declare
without any shame that I don't have any related b&s
things to say, but I even do a list abuse, sorry
sinister!

well, I return to the lurkers realm until the new
album!

love,
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From stoutrobin at xxx.com  Tue Aug  5 09:50:53 2003
From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:50:53 +0000
Subject: Sinister: If your gran had baws she'd be your grandad
Message-ID: <BAY7-F61tapuqKQq9Ju000267a8@hotmail.com>

Good Morning Sinipops, here is the news:

>From Billboard.com  
http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1947663

<<
Scottish rock ensemble Belle & Sebastian will release a new studio album, 
"Dear Catastrophe Waitress," Oct. 7 via a recent deal with Rough Trade. The 
set was produced by Trevor Horn, best known for his work with such 
mainstream pop acts as Seal and Rod Stewart.

Belle & Sebastian, which tours infrequently, will play three U.S. shows 
prior to the album's release: Aug. 19 in Brooklyn, N.Y., Aug. 22 in 
Berkeley, Calif., and Aug. 24 in Los Angeles. Bright Eyes will support.

"Dear Catastrophe Waitress" is the follow-up to 2000's "Fold Your Hands 
Child, You Walk Like a Peasant," which debuted at No. 80 on The Billboard 
200 and has sold 113,000 copies in the U.S., according to Nielsen SoundScan. 
Last summer, the group penned the soundtrack for Todd Solondz's film 
"Storytelling," which debuted at No. 4 on Billboard's Heatseekers chart.

A DVD, "Fans Only," is tentatively due this fall via the band's former U.S. 
label, Matador. It will include music videos, live footage and TV 
appearances, among other features.

Here is the track list for "Dear Catastrophe Waitress":

"Step Into My Office, Baby"
"Dear Catastrophe Waitress"
"If She Wants Me"
"Roy Walker"
"(I Believe In) Travellin' Light"
"Asleep on a Sunbeam"
"Piazza, New York Catcher"
"You Don't Send Me"
"Wrapped Up in Books"
"Lord Anthony"
"If Find Yourself Caught in Love"
"I'm a Cuckoo"
"Stay Loose"
>>

LORD ANTHONY!! Oh I am so happy! There was a sniff of a clue that it would 
be on the album when Stuart mentioned it in his diary recently. I'm so glad 
they're finally releasing it. I wonder if it's the same version they 
recorded ages ago..

*the screen wobbles and from Torquay to Timbuktu a thousand people are 
transported BACK IN TIME.. woooo!!*

Stuart David speaks: "It'll be done by the end of February. Some song titles 
are Marx and Engels, I Fought In A War, Once Upon A Weekend, Wake Her Up, 
Landslide and Winter Woofkie."
The album is due in late summer and the preceeding E.P. is likely to 
comprise Lonliness Of The Middle-Distance Runner, Paper Boat, and Lord 
Anthony."

http://www.missprint.org/sinister/mhonarc/199902/msg00197.html

*the screen wibbles. From Manchester to Marrekesh a thousand people press 
Escape uselessly then phone IT support*

So you see, quite apart from Lord Anthony possibly being the best belle and 
sebastian song ever, it *might* be the last recording Stuart David ever 
played on. I hope so. I always used to imagine Belle and Sebastian as a 
brass robot with Stuart Murdoch as its rotating flashing head, Isobel 
Campbell as its shiny polished bottom and Stuart David as its spunk. It will 
be nice to hear the spunk back in Belle and Sebastian.

I'm looking forward to finally hearing Dear Catastrophe Waitress, too. It's 
a shame that Miraculous Techinque isn't anywhere to be seen, but there's 
always singles and b-sides and if we're lucky it might get released sometime 
in the next four years..

Oh, I'm off to explain to someone else who Walter Mitty is. People should 
read more books.

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From idleberry at xxx.com  Tue Aug  5 23:38:13 2003
From: idleberry at xxx.com (idleberry)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:38:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: how to post without having an orginal thought of your own
Message-ID: <20030805223813.41042.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com>

I read Gillian Kirby's email with interest.

 

 It reminded me of how I felt a few years ago, albeit
I was never as eloquent with my language, nor was I
brainy enough to get anything other than a third class
degree. I still recall standing outside the registrar,
excitedly looking for my name, and sort of finding
that I consoled myself in a "er.. that's ..alright..
at least I passed" sort of way. As did my friends, who
were as incapable as I was of showing any faint
_expression of over-joy. Like finding out you've got a
role in a play you auditioned for, only its as a part
of the chorus rather than an actual named character
with your own lines, in the programme. 

 

Still, well done to Ms Kirby for getting there! Go,
celebrate, and enjoy every minute of it. My graduation
day was one of those rare moments when all I could
feel was pure pride, and I revelled in it. 

 

My only disagreement was that I am any sort of
indie-princess. Far from it. I'm as cool as someone's
dad having a mid-life crisis at a family gathering. I
even do that thing where they get all their "cool"
quotes muddled up, and everyone just stares at them
blankly while they try to laugh at their own jokes.
I'm the Un-Hip Highness, the Duchess of Dorkchester,
I'm a creep, I'm a weirdo, what the hell am I doing
here, etc, etc. 

 

In any case, Terry Wogan is alright, but that's
nothing on Alan Titschmarsh. Oh, how I remember a
long, lonesome summer, when all there was on telly was
gardening programmes, and I hadn't discovered the joy
of interwebbing. That was a dark year indeed, and I'll
spare you the outcome. 

 

Francesca Wrote:

 

have you heard about the singer of noir desir? I feel
a little strange having some CDs by them now, not that
the fact changes the music they played through the
years, but I won't ever listen to those CDs in the
same way I did before...

 

For those of you who aren't culchured enough to even
bother hitting the "World" link of the BBC news pages,
the singer, Bertrand Cantat, has currently been
detained in Lithuania for beating his actress
girlfriend following a row. Anyway, she died. 

 

Marianna voiced my thoughts (which was darn clever of
her seeing as she lives so many miles away in London)
regarding Jay and the lil'est emo kids. If Jay wants
to make a fortune he really ought to market it
complete with mail-order emo-kid dolls and stuff. How
cute would that be? The idea of lil'est emo kid books
sounds rather like doing Mister Men books. I forsee a
cartoon show to accompany it, and possibly a movie,
done on a shoe-string indie budget, natch.

 

Talking of Marianna, (she is the new Ken Chu) I'm
looking forward to her arrival in Scotland. I've said
that before, haven't I? Yes, well, I met her once and
I thought she was ace, and so would you if you haven't
already met her, in which case there is no doubt
you'll know exactly where I'm coming from. 

 

Following from robin stout's post, 

Is it true? "Dear Catastrophe Waitress"? 

And the title of ""You Don't Send Me" makes me think
of some Simon and Garfunkel song "why don't you send
me a letter" which may be a lyric or may be a title, I
dunno. I don't pay attention to song titles, only to
the track number in which they appear on the record.
That way I can count through them to skip, or to play,
or to do whatever. Ditto I follow Robin's feeling of
sadness for no sign of Miraculous Technique on it, cos
I do love that song.  

 

Who is Walter Mitty? A little insight here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3124677.stm

 

See, it's not so hard to post when you have nothing of
your own to say. A simple cut'n'paste of the best
posts of recent times, and a summary response do the
trick nicely. 
love



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From lokar20 at xxx.com  Wed Aug  6 04:03:31 2003
From: lokar20 at xxx.com (Matthew Henderson)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:03:31 -0500
Subject: Sinister: we may be through with the past...
Message-ID: <Law14-F4169UbkC58EU000181f0@hotmail.com>

Hello everyone.  It's 3am, and you know what means (to some, it might mean i 
must be lonely, to others, it means i'm restless and am posting).

First off, I have a minor quibble with the Belle and Sebastian website team. 
  How is this information about the new album, tracklisting, release date, 
title, and DVD info coming through here second hand?  I've seen nothing 
about it on the website, and am tempted not to believe a word of it.  But 
it's probably true, so to banchory:  get off your ass!  :)

Secondly, I was just putting up a tent in the living room.  Just as 
practice, ya see.  I am listening to a list of 2063 songs, playing on 
random.  "String Bean Jean" popped on, and I had to stop for a moment.  This 
happens to me quite a bit these days, when an old belle and sebastian song 
comes on.  I think back to the times when I was so in love with them and how 
they made me feel.  It was so fresh at the time, so exciting.  I wonder how 
it is possible to properly rate their new album(s) now.

They are far from my favourite band, I must say.  It's not their own fault I 
suppose.  I would probably put the Clash as my favourite band (nobody seems 
to even vaguely understand why), and as far as current music goes, I don't 
believe anyone touches Wilco. So how the hell do I listen to a new album by 
belle and sebastian and make a judgement?  As far as earlier work, the songs 
could be utter crap but I still love them.  Hmm...I'm not sure what I really 
want to say here.  Let me mull over it a few moments...

Go on, fix yourself a cup of tea or a glass of lemonade.

I haven't figured it out yet, really.  But I'll go on.  I recall feeling 
this way when Fold Your Hands came out.  Now I stop and recall a certain 
time in my life whenever I hear songs from it, especially "I fought in a 
war", just the same as I do with songs off 'sinister'.  I recognize that 
songs like "Wandering Alone" and "Big John Shaft" are damn enjoyable songs, 
but will they ever feel the same as "Put the Book Back on the Shelf"?

I really loathe the debate on "old" belle and sebastian versus "new".  It's 
just not fair I suppose.  So the new album will come out, and I'm sure it'll 
be fantastic.  They are, after all, a great band in my opinion.  But perhaps 
the truly special music in a person's life needs an incubation period.  Ask 
me what I think of the upcoming album in three years, or whenever I move on 
to the next phase of my ramshackle life.

This syndrome has really put me off trying to get into new music.  I don't 
know how reviewers do it.  I enjoy so many songs and albums that are 
released these days, but I can't determine how important they'll be in the 
next few years.  Is longevity that important?

What does this all mean?  I don't reckon it means all that much, really.  
Just random thoughts I have decided to spew out to the masses.

I suppose the most important thing here is that it is now 4 am, and you know 
what?  I'm actually pretty tired.

-Matt

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From: sunnie_set at xxx.com (Sunny set)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 11:06:24 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Once upon a time...
Message-ID: <LAW11-F66HLB8TrBHxv00003dc6@hotmail.com>

Once upon a time there was a girl, who despite, or perhaps because of, or 
perhaps incidental to, her love fairy stories, was slightly unworldly in the 
ways of computers. Therefore when the big bad computer company Microsoft 
offered her a free email account with a personalised email address she 
gratefully accepted. Little did she know what evil schemes they were already 
plotting with which to entrap her.

One day when she returned home after a short stint at porridge theft, and a 
trip up a beanstalk she opened her email account to discover an angry 
sounding message from the big bad computer company demanding she delete some 
of her emails. She wept silently at the cruelness of the world, and deleted 
many an email containing magic spells to make her younger or  larger or many 
other things that she was too na�ve to understand. When she had done that 
she looked at her nice clean email account and thought:
�There that will keep them happy for a while longer while I  go looking that 
wretched glass slipper of mine��

But her happiness was short lived and she reeled back in horror as soon she 
realised that the big bad computer company said that her nice clean email 
account had 600kb of emails still in it. Even though she was unworldly in 
the ways of computers she knew that this was a lot of space for nothing to 
take up and she became suspicious.
Days and weeks, months and maybe even years went by and the poor girl was 
haunted by the 600kbs of nothingness.

Then one day, while the girl was getting bored of  being asleep for a 
thousand years and needed to think of another way to put of doing some 
proper work for a while, bravely began to investigate the mystery. For many 
minutes she fought with option settings but to no avail. She dropped 
helplessly to her knees in front of the  and screamed (in a silent and 
sitting down fashion):
�what do you want from me you evil thing!?�
She was just about to give up when she remembered her magic find tool and 
searched for the word @ which is an ancient symbol present in all email 
addresses. Magically lost emails started to appear before her eyes whilst 
the girl look on in amazement.

The emails seemed to have come from a far off land where people wore 
cardigans and worshipped a god called B&S.  She smiled as she remembered her 
own trips to this land. There were stories about the day the B&S gods landed 
on the earth and people from all over the world ran to worship them. There 
were emails containning the words to the scared hymns of the land.  She also 
found stories she had written herself when she had been very sad indeed. But 
most importantly of all she found the kind things people had said in reply. 
Her heart glowed with warmth and fondness for this land and she decided to 
revisit this beloved place.

Many years later she blew up the big bad computer company, and everyone else 
went to live in a gingerbread house, and lived happily ever after.

The End


hope you are all safe and well,
Take Care
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From rob_brennan at xxx.uk  Wed Aug  6 13:38:07 2003
From: rob_brennan at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?robster?=)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:38:07 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Lord Anthony and his Pals
Message-ID: <20030806123807.73530.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Sinister

Yippee!  A new album, new (and occasionally old) songs
for the list to pick apart and provide thoughtful
criticism on (or just complain that they sounded
better live).  More importantly, there's a new album
title to pun.  It should be one most punnable titles
ever but the best I can come up with right now is
'Beer Atrocity, Legless'.  Ho hum.

Marianna said: "I can barely contain my excitement at
the prospect of hearing the third best opening line in
a song ever ('Ro-bert, your nipples are pert')"

Being a muse is grate and probably a lot better than
being Muse as it doesn't involve singing in _that_
voice and murdering perfectly good Nina Simone songs.

Ken, Liz & myself were discussing the Manboobs song in
the pub the other night.  I recalled the endless
sessions that dragged the song into being:  Hours in a
smoke-filled studio, various discarded chord
sequences, early drafts of the lyrics screwed up on
the floor, too much to drink, not enough sleep,
arguments, hair pulling, cries of "Sprinkle some
fuckin' fairy dust on the bastard!" and "No! Play
_that_ fuckin' note!".  It was all worth it though. 
Ken's reputation as the finest pop songwriter of his
generation was sealed.  Even though nobody wrote down
the final version.  

Of course the other great RBD moment from the
Bitchtits Sessions - A Woman Needs a Fish (Like a Man
Needs a Bicycle) - survives and ought to be played
during every RBD encore.  Forever.

Looks like I'll be seeing some of yous in Glasgow on
the 15th as well.  Hooray!

Robster

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From boyincorduroy at xxx.com  Thu Aug  7 00:20:15 2003
From: boyincorduroy at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Mark=20Casarotto?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:20:15 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Keeping the Dream Alive
Message-ID: <20030806232015.35702.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com>

I promised Christine Irene that I would always have a
go at someone who referred to the list or its raison
d'etre as "twee", so Gillian, please consider yourself
told in no uncertain terms that being twee has
*nothing* to do with being Sinister. Tweeness is an
affectation, and a desire to be twee is as bad as 18th
century fops who painted their faces white with little
black hearts drawn on their cheeks, held hankies to
their noses and spoke in high-pitched giggles. Pretty
much GayJay's type, then.

I'm looking forward to the surge, or swell (if you
will) of Sinister posts that always follow the news of
an album release. I too am on the edge of my seat
about Lord Anthony, it being a song which I never
thought I'd hear and which will give the album
immediate credibility, even if the rest of the songs
are of the calibre of Roy Walker. The celebrity, not
the song. Well, the song too.

If my mind doesn't deceive me, Robin's fuzzy-edges
time machine is transporting me back to the 1st
November, 1998, when I heard it for the first time in
the Supper Club in New York. It was the days of a
different Sinister, of Anastasia and Kristen and
Janine, none of whom have posted for years (but by
God, ladies, if you're reading this re-subscribe
immediately!). 

But it's not in the past any more. Today, before I
read the digest and the news of the new album, I
sorted out my old, old photos, which I haven't
albumised for over 5 years. And there were my photos
from that trip to NYC, my first ever time in the
States, and pictures of the people, and the band, who
made it so much fun.

There are always links between different times in your
life. These links will make sure I never forget why
Sinister means so much to me. I hope it can mean
something like as much to most of you.

Yours, pompously (I'm in training for the European
All-Pomp Championships),

Mark xxx



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From wpsalt at xxx.com  Fri Aug  8 14:51:47 2003
From: wpsalt at xxx.com (Caitlin Ross)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:51:47 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Over-production killed the radio star
Message-ID: <20030808135147.GA18470@elvis>

Ooh, everyone seems to be looking forward to the new album.  I'm not 
too excited about Lord Anthony, but I do rather like Step Into My 
Office Baby.  I hope it's got lots of flute.

All the fans who found the band early-on, of course, now have to ponder 
and get all introspective, and go on about whether they still love the 
band or not.  For some reason I never feel like I was an 'early-
adopter' kind of B&S fan - there are so many people who heard about 
them before me.  I didn't even join Sinister until over a month after 
it had started.  They were a bit different in those days - those 
newcomers who never heard B&S's death metal phase have Never Lived.  
We've all changed a lot too, and found lots more new, exciting music to 
gush over.  B&S, though, are still lovely and melodic and swoonworthy 
even if they now have a string section and Trevor Horn.

I jumped awake, startled, at five to seven this morning.  I had the 
radio on, and 'Expectations' was playing, the introduction bit with the 
cardigan zip.  The radio was tuned to Radio 4, and they were trailing a 
documentary.  "If they'd used 'Beautiful' instead," I thought to 
myself, "the world would IMPLODE in a whirlpool of self-
referentiality!"  It's a good thing they didn't, then.

(And "Teachers" is back on telly again, and still has TBWTAS as its 
closing theme.  Plus, they still have a donkey hidden somewhere in 
every episode.  And children randomly beating each other up, and 
falling out of trees.  GRATE!)

love
xx
caitlin


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From the_sad_witch at xxx.com  Fri Aug  8 15:18:23 2003
From: the_sad_witch at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Gillian=20Kirby?=)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:18:23 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: oooh reverence
Message-ID: <20030808141823.9424.qmail@web41301.mail.yahoo.com>

I bought ..Sinister in December 1997 and the LLPJ EP a
bit before then, so maybe i'm a late starter too. I
think everyone who didn't get the original Tigermilk
release is to some, but i can't help that much.
However, I didn't buy the last album because i was too
poor, and people told me it was a bit crap so I got
the new Mercury Rev and a Terry Hall collection
instead. I'd recommend the latter by the eway, if you
can get the one with 'Really Sayin' Something' on al
the better.

i would thoroughly recommend taking lunch inbt he park
during the current spell of hot weather, but perhaps
not queuing up in M&S to buy said lunchg first.
apparently it's the same one d. beckham uses/used, but
all there were were people in boring office clothes
and we three, girls in trainers and 'go to hell'
slogan t-shirts and we-can-take-lunch-whenever-we-like
attitudes. Speaking of which, i was sent a job ad for
a 'lifestyle assistant' the other day...they want
graduates to book haircuts and collect drycleaning and
arrange milkdeliveries for people who are too busy and
important to do all this stuff for them,selves. Half
of me thought that there was something vaguely immoral
about running errands for up-arsed people, when do you
become too important to book your own haircuts? Then
again, the other half...the evil, corporate whore
half...wishes she thought of such a pointless service
first, as there must be loads of people in L*nd*n who
are too busy being mockneys to do all this stuff. Then
charge a fortune for it. ha ha ha ha ha. 

I think that's the difference between here and the
capital-we don't feel like we constantly have to keep
up. nobody thinks they need to buy £80 cheese graters
just because they were in Elle Deco. Yet I'm going to
have to go eventually...

gotta post letters.it's too shiny outside. 

-gillian

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From kenneth.chu at xxx.org  Fri Aug  8 16:40:51 2003
From: kenneth.chu at xxx.org (kenneth.chu at xxx.org)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 16:40:51 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Rear Catastrophe, Matron.
Message-ID: <UCLH9D17C3BDDEAFD311AFD100508B5C529F0D76248F@uclh.org>

(Haha I searched on the archives for the phrase "Good looks" and the top two
links returned both have MY NAME on it!  I think it's saying something.
Sorry just adding a bit of self-indulgence into this post since there's been
none of that on the list lately at all hahaha roflmao)


REAR CATASTROPHE, MATRON

New album sounds like it's gonna be GRATE.  I think the best song on the
album is going to be "If you find yourself caught in love", because it has
the most words in its title and that's always a good thing.

Robin Stout said about "(My Girl's Got) Miraculous Technique" not being on
DCW (pronounced "Dick Wank"?).  I remember reading something about how the
songs on that particular Peel Session were never going to be released as an
album - I have no idea where I read this from, so, I searched on sinister
archive, and guess what?!  MY NAME came up again, and I wrote about how I
heard from somewhere that the songs on that particular Peel Session were
never going to be released as an album!!

http://www.missprint.org/sinister/mhonarc/200107/msg00189.html

I wonder where I heard that from!!!!


HOT PANTHONY

I am very looking forward to hearing the studio version of this song also.
I hope this version will still have the sound of Pint Glasses being
collected as that really added to the bootleg version that's been going
around, and it'd be sad to miss it.


TWEE ON THE SUNRISE

Mark C the anti-twee got a bit hot and pompous under his pants about the
affectation of tweeness, it is true - sinister ain't about twee yo, we fuck
them, hence the term twee fuckers.  Or something.


BIGGEST BLUEST LOW-FLY

Went to see CAMERA OBSCURA at King Tuts in Glasgow on Saturday - wow, it was
absolutely fantastic, I had to hold in a lot of pee just so that I didn't
miss a song, but I needed to go eventually, I was Undone by the Tennents on
tap, but luckily I was very quick in Dropping my trousers and going for the
pee so I didn't miss too much.  Great music, Fastened with the lovely
singing voices.  I liked the intimacy of the place too.  And there was
D!a!n!c!i!n!g! - from both audience and the band!  Time really Zipped by and
I got to dance for a bit and bought the new Camera Obscura single "Teenager"
it's excellent!  And B-sides too.

The ticket for the gig was great too.  It had "CAMERA OBSCURA" written on it
in capitals and above that it stated three rules

1. Over 18s only
2. Bring IDs

and..

3. ROAR!

It was strange that they insisted that you let out a cry before you're
allowed to get into a gig (before you cry?), nonetheless it seemed fun so as
I walked pass the bouncer I screamed on top of my lung, and he asked "what's
going on?".  Neither of us were blonde.

It was unfair, though, the girl behind me broke all three rules, and still
got in.  Good looks will always open doors for a girl.

And outside King Tuts I picked up Flyers of a great club in glasgow that is
happening on the 15th Aug at the Woodside Social Club near the Kelvinbridge
tube station called The Winchester Club and wow, the band line-up looked
great.  I'm sure to go.  You should too.

Can't wait for DickWank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That's it heheheh (that was my Janis Joplin impression)
Ken
P.S.: There has been a lack of SINISTER BOWLING events, fancy some SINISTER
BOWLING, anyone?  Howsabout some Sinister Bowling and Drinking in Glasgow
the 16th August?  Anyone?


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From mail at xxx.uk  Sat Aug  9 18:13:30 2003
From: mail at xxx.uk (Gordon)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:13:30 +0100
Subject: Sinister: on holiday from blog land
Message-ID: <001001c35e99$8ec22040$ec934c51@ivorsserver>

Hi Sinister.

Mr. Casarotto looks forward to a flurry of posts off the back of this new
album. I figured I'd use that as an excuse to post. Plus, Robster and
Caitlin appeared in the same digest so I figure I'm in friendly old company
and not at all lost in the swathes of scary new people. Not that I'm really
scared of course: it's all affectation, being the new posing, black or
whatever. Whatever.
I must say I haven't played a Belle and Sebastian album for months. You
know, some pop songs carry good memories with them but I confess even
Tigermilk raises the spectre of miserable times. Boo. They're quite good
though, for a band. I am, currently, high on the bonhomie of Reggae, bought
in bulk on the cheap from Fopp. Goes with the hot, sunny weather. Talking of
cheap CD's, I noticed you can buy 'Pirates of the Carribean' on disc
*already* down at the Barras market. They hand out photocopied lists of all
their stuff. 4 movies for a tenner. The polis wandered past and everyone
scarpered. 'F***in' usless, that kid.' muttered a bald, sunburned heavy
who'd woken up at 4am that morning to ferry the folks and the kids from the
airport, 'We pay the wee sh**te to look out for them and there he is,
staring at the pavement. I'll get someone else.' The poor, hapless youth
looked so innocent, too.

You know those situations where you just know you're about to be accused of
failing to make small talk? Well I do. She said 'You know, you don't talk
much.' I replied 'No, I suppose I don't.' The conversation staggered onto
holidays. She looked at me, perplexed. 'You know, Turkey. Istanbul:
Istanbul's in *Turkey*.'
'Oh, that's nice.'
'Uhuh.'
It was all so much better talking to drunk people in Soho. 'I was invited to
become Robert Plant's second mistress. Down at his recording studio in the
country, his secretary explained to me that the post offered free gifts,
maybe a bit of jewellry and some travel.' Robert Plant, by the way for all
youze kidz, was in a rawk band in the dim and distant glory days of leather
biker jackets and epic bombast and smoking hash in Morrocco. I suppose
things haven't changed much.

I SHARED AN ANTIQUE LIFT WITH GRETA GARBO's GHOST

Well, not exactly, but she'd stayed in the same hotel once. In Istanbul.

GORDON's MINT TEA.

It's really good, even if I do say so myself. The secret ingredient, the one
the berber guys who make it regularly do *not* use, is cinnamon. Anyway,
it's dead simple and the summer drink of mes jours. Take lots of mint leaves
from my mum's garden (I'll ask her if you want, maybe), rip them up a la
Jamie Oliver, place in a glass, with the aforementioned cinnamon and too
much demerara sugar (the berbers like their sugar, as do their camels) and,
hey presto! A deliciously refreshing beverage that won't even get you drunk.
You'll need boiling water too, come to think of it. Oh, and the Cardigan's
'Gordon's Garden Party' on the stereo, for that me me me feeling, if you're,
erm, me.

I'm looking forward to a couple of gigs. The Pernice Brothers are
recommended by the blogtastic
<a href="http://shazz.journalspace.com/">Shazz</a>, who play the wonderfully
named King Tut's Wah Wah hut in Glasgow on ... hmm, I can't find the
listings. Next week sometime. Then and, I can't wait, the RED BULL DOZERS in
the same city, yeah! Are you going to be selling CD's after the gig, Ken?
Perhaps also a NVIP's party, after? Ken, by the way, is the reclusive
songwriting genius behind the 'DOZERS for all you uninitiates, last seen
making out with some beautiful women perhaps, allegedly, in that motel at
the edge of the Arizona Desert miles out of LA and as featured in the
movies. Gees, I don't half talk rot. Last seen in '66, recovering from a bad
acid trip, la la etc. etc.

PUT A BIT OF EFFORT INTO YOUR POSTS. REMEMBER, OTHER PEOPLE MAY READ IT

I don't think so. And, anyway, it'll ruin my flow, know what I mean?

Ok, here's a bit of vital info. About beards. I have a short one myself at
the moment. Oh no! me pubes have migrated! Blech! Yuk. Anyway, pilots.
Evidently no airline pilots have beards, because it would prevent them from
fitting their oxygen masks properly. Maybe that's why all those air aces
from World War One sported dashing 'taches.
Look, I already explained I was no use at small talk.
I think I'll stare into space for awhile instead.

...


Gordon

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From kmhyde at xxx.edu  Mon Aug 11 00:22:26 2003
From: kmhyde at xxx.edu (kmhyde at xxx.edu)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 19:22:26 -0400
Subject: Sinister: They were wrong, so we drowned. dude. 
Message-ID: <56d731b1.b16aabce.8166500@m4000.it.wm.edu>

Hi everyone, 


THE NEW ALBUM. This is the first time I've been conscious, in 
the B&S sense, when a new album (I'm not really counting 
Storytelling) was announced. I bought FISHYCLAP when it had 
been out for at least a month, maybe more. So the 
anticipation for Dear Catastrophe Waitress is, ho ho, a lot. 
And the only halfway decent play on the title I could come up 
with is "Mere Apostrophe mate-stress", which I think could 
only make sense in a world which (dismissively) considers 
quotation marks to be apostrophes who have joined in 
matrimony (or civil union), and also additionally allows for 
the fact that these punctuation-couples may go through some 
rough periods. 

Now, to sort of toot the living hell out of my own horn in a 
roundabout way of saying thanks, I'm going to say this: I 
mentioned the Listerine girl that my roommate and I were 
obsessed with in a past post. Well, that proved to be the 
impetus for writing an open letter for the McSweeney's 
website, which they decided to put up. It's here:    
http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/openletters/listerine.html
But! More importantly, I'm just glad Sinister exists, so that 
I can, in good conscience, ramble on for WHOLE PARAGRAPHS 
about things that pop into my mind, with little or no 
consideration for others or to coherency or the possibility 
of dementia. aww. hugs. 

I came back from Minneapolis. It was a humongously great 
place: clean, walkable for the most part, and filled to 
bursting with incredibly attractive people from all over. 
The bad part happened when I ran out of money and had no way 
of getting from the hotel to the airport. So. The first plan 
was to walk what I thought was a short distance to a record 
store that bought used CD's, and simply exchange some plastic 
for cash. I walked for about an hour, and was slowed by a 
highway, and then, finally, the Mississippi river. I was 
later informed that this specific record store was actually 
like 1000 blocks away from where I was. So I walked back to 
the hotel, very very very sweaty indeed (on account of 
wearing business clothes which are mostly, um, dark wool) and 
pretended to have lost my wallet, which meant that one of the 
older blue-haired ladies in the lobby slapped a $20 in my 
hands and kissed my cheeks. It also made me sort of seem like 
an eight year-old lost in a department store, but hey, c'mon, 
when does that NOT happen? The best part of the entire sordid 
thing was my hotel window: it split the skyline into a 
triptych, the central pane of which featured a weird sort of 
religious-themed melodrama between two pairs of tall and 
yellow industrial cranes. Three of the four were turned to 
the East, the fourth was the lone infidel facing the un-Mecca 
West. If the crane drivers did this on purpose...wow. that 
would be fucking weird. 

Some girl at a house party flashed me her underwear multiple 
times the other night, and I was so confused I almost ran 
into a wall. I went outside and smoked two cigarettes at 
once, so unaccustomed am I to the sight of powder blue 
underwear revealed intermittently and, seemingly, in Morse 
code. I might add, for those who might be thinking 'what a 
thick idiot for not interacting more with such a person who 
casually and sluttily flouts sartorial conventions', that 
this girl has some mean and hairy gams. Which, heck, nothing 
wrong with that at all, but really, she looks like a human 
torso grafted onto gorilla legs. Subthoracic braidable-length 
hair is pretty low-down on my list of 'favorite things'.


Listened to Jonathan David today. 32 times. Try it, it's fun!

east coast picnic. mammoth. September looks good. 

take care, 

Kevin


 
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From kenneth.chu at xxx.org  Tue Aug 12 16:56:53 2003
From: kenneth.chu at xxx.org (kenneth.chu at xxx.org)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:56:53 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Becks and Juan Sebastian
Message-ID: <UCLH9D17C3BDDEAFD311AFD100508B5C529F0D7624AC@uclh.org>

Oh yeah one of these again...

Becks and Juan Sebastian
====================
You left the club you left your job
You saw Becks shaping for a lob
When I was young you were the only fun in town

Everyone thought it was a shame
For Becks and the Juan Sebastian
Becks was ok but Juan Sebastian
Went too far again
hit the bar in the rain

He wants to pass and he wants to care
But van nistorooy wants crosses to fly in so square
Sebastian your one touch pass
just missed the danger zone
Sebastian your one touch pass
just missed the danger zone

You go to Chelsea around the way
Señoras are queuing up to tell Becks he's a star
Poor Sebastian's just heading for a ball

Everyone thought it was a shame
For Becks and the Juan Sebastian
Becks was ok but Juan Sebastian
Went too far again
hit the bar in the rain

Juan Sebastian wrote his diary that
He would never be young again
But you will
Fellow, you are skilled
You'd better take a weight off of your pass and listen
To what other people say
Cause things are going wrong your own way


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From ianwatsonuk at xxx.com  Tue Aug 12 18:14:45 2003
From: ianwatsonuk at xxx.com (Ian Watson)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:14:45 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Becks and Juan Sebastian
In-Reply-To: <UCLH9D17C3BDDEAFD311AFD100508B5C529F0D7624AC@uclh.org>
Message-ID: <BB5ED105.AFF7%ianwatsonuk@btinternet.com>



As good as this is, I'm *still* laughing at the Indie Boi one.

Genius.






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> From: kenneth.chu at xxx.org
> Reply-To: kenneth.chu at uclh.org
> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 16:56:53 +0100
> To: sinister at missprint.org
> Subject: Sinister: Becks and Juan Sebastian
> 
> Oh yeah one of these again...
> 
> Becks and Juan Sebastian
> ====================
> You left the club you left your job
> You saw Becks shaping for a lob
> When I was young you were the only fun in town
> 
> Everyone thought it was a shame
> For Becks and the Juan Sebastian
> Becks was ok but Juan Sebastian
> Went too far again
> hit the bar in the rain
> 
> He wants to pass and he wants to care
> But van nistorooy wants crosses to fly in so square
> Sebastian your one touch pass
> just missed the danger zone
> Sebastian your one touch pass
> just missed the danger zone
> 
> You go to Chelsea around the way
> Señoras are queuing up to tell Becks he's a star
> Poor Sebastian's just heading for a ball
> 
> Everyone thought it was a shame
> For Becks and the Juan Sebastian
> Becks was ok but Juan Sebastian
> Went too far again
> hit the bar in the rain
> 
> Juan Sebastian wrote his diary that
> He would never be young again
> But you will
> Fellow, you are skilled
> You'd better take a weight off of your pass and listen
> To what other people say
> Cause things are going wrong your own way
> 
> 
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From kimgirton at xxx.com  Tue Aug 12 18:10:03 2003
From: kimgirton at xxx.com (Kim Girton)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:10:03 -0400
Subject: Sinister: I exercise all options, and I know I'll see you there.
Message-ID: <Law12-F18S7hx27kBnc00026e55@hotmail.com>

** ALRIGHT MIDATLANTIC SINISTEREES, THIS IS IT. **

WHO: You and your petard

WHAT: The first-ever-in-a-really-long-time MID-ATLANTIC SINISTER PICNIC

WHEN: Saturday, September 6 @ 12noon

WHERE: meet ups at Columbia Heights Metro Station & Rock Creek Park (map to 
be distributed later)

WHY: Because it's about time we did some reporting back of our own.

Thanks to the extremely helpful nature and quick thinking of D.C. Sinister 
Listee Lisa, it's been officially declared that the delightful event will 
take place at Rock Creek Park, located in NW D.C. behind the National Zoo 
(Adam's Morgan).  For those who'd like to remain carless in the city, Lisa 
will be holding court that afternoon at the Columbia Heights Metro station.  
Park on the outskirts of town and wind your way into the madness on the MTA; 
couldn't be easier!

For those who wish to drive in, I'll be at the picnic site to stake it out 
while Lisa does the honors of leading the troops back to the woodsy fun.  I 
will have my car in the city and am asking for one or two more willing 
drivers to volunteer if we decide to venture out post-picnic.  But since NW 
D.C. is quite pedestrian-friendly, it'd doubtful we'll need to worry about 
that too much.

Sinister Listee Jenny has mentioned that the Black Cat will be holding Wag 
(classic garage rock) that night with guest DJs, so if all goes well and 
we'd like to keep the level of alcohol in our bloodstream relatively 
constant and high, we can move the festivities indoors and into the evening.

I'm going to assume we can make this your average picnic with foodstuffs 
brought by partygoers, and I'll volunteer to handle the delegation of those 
sorts of picnicky things.  Park regulations still need to be confirmed, but 
one thing at a time, people!  :)  Email me at KimGirton at hotmail.com if 
you're interested in attending and, even better, assisting to boot.  I'll 
collect and sort relevant information as quickly as I can between finding 
other ways to not work at work.  In the meantime, write down the date on 
your calendar and don't doublebook!  This will be an event not to be missed. 
  Or at the very least, a damn good time, even without the Natural History 
Museum's woolly mammoth.  And if it's not, I'll tell you how to get to the 
woolly mammoth from the Park.

Hope to see you there. :)

~ Kim

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From angelas1980 at xxx.com  Tue Aug 12 19:00:33 2003
From: angelas1980 at xxx.com (angela smith)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:00:33 -0500
Subject: Sinister: b&s nyc weekend
Message-ID: <BAY7-F22NfztQ7LS0IU0003551a@hotmail.com>

If anyone else is interested....Polyphonic Spree is playing a free concert 
in Central Park Saturday August 16th...  
http://summerstage.org/EventDetail.aspx?DATE=8/16/2003
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From benapps at xxx.com  Tue Aug 12 20:08:02 2003
From: benapps at xxx.com (Ben Apps)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:08:02 +0100
Subject: Sinister: It's all greek to me! (California pre-show meet up info)
Message-ID: <BAY2-F113kDnuidOKD50001eb8d@hotmail.com>

Hello hello,

So the shows are coming up and I want to invite anyone going to the Los 
Angeles Gig on the 24th to join in a pre-show picnic in Griffith Park. 
There's a nice large patch of grass on the left just up the hill past the 
Greek Theatre. I'll be there with the missus, and a fellow sinisterine, 
Adrian, from around 4:30pm. We'll be eating, drinking, excitedly discussing 
the new album, comparing treasure hunt clue
searching stories and maybe even indulging in a spot of cricket. If it 
sounds like fun to you drop me an email off list or just turn up!

Two days before that we'll be traveling up to Berkeley for the show at the 
um, Greek Theatre! If I ask really nicely and say pretty pretty please with 
sugar on top, will some diamond of a bay area listee arrange a similar 
shindig? Awww go on!

Aren't these:   http://www.banchoryshop.net/viewitem.asp?id=3D1019
really grate?

Yours Sincerely

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From lee1746 at xxx.com  Tue Aug 12 20:38:10 2003
From: lee1746 at xxx.com (Liqin Lu)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:38:10 -0500
Subject: Sinister: b&s LA show: want ticket?
Message-ID: <20030812193810.63249.qmail@mail.com>

Hi List!
This is my first post since re-joining and I'm using it to sell b&s ticket...what a fan!

But I must risk being deported from the list and try to sell it becuz I'm really short on money and I know someone on the list who doesn't have a ticket yet and might still want to see the LA show would hate to see a seat in section A get wasted. I'm sure its location is better than any seats u could get now on Ticketmaster.com. I paid the regular price online and I'm only asking the exact amount back. If you're interested please email me, and I will email you the e-ticket (you'll have to print it out yourself).

I would go to the show if I was still in LA, but it seems I never get to be there when something's happening...

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From kimgirton at xxx.com  Tue Aug 12 23:26:41 2003
From: kimgirton at xxx.com (Kim Girton)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:26:41 -0400
Subject: Sinister: !!!!MIDATLANTIC PICNIC CORRECTION!!!!
Message-ID: <Law12-F71jMOfBpJtVV000286af@hotmail.com>

** I'M A FREAKIN' MORON. **

With special thanks to Lisa, who pointed out that my geography is off and 
the CORRECT METRO STATION TO ARRIVE AT FOR THE SEPTEMBER 6th PICNIC IS THE 
CLEVELAND PARK METRO.  I'll just post again, dern it.  SORRY ABOUT THAT!  I 
think you all were forewarned that I'm not the sort who should be planning 
things.

WHAT: The first-ever-in-a-really-long-time MID-ATLANTIC SINISTER PICNIC

WHEN: Saturday, September 6 @ 12noon

WHERE: meet ups at CLEVELAND PARK Metro Station & Rock Creek Park (map to be 
distributed later)

Thanks to the extremely helpful nature and quick thinking of D.C. Sinister 
Listee Lisa, it's been officially declared that the delightful event will 
take place at Rock Creek Park, located in NW D.C. behind the National Zoo 
(Adam's Morgan).  For those who'd like to remain carless in the city, Lisa 
will be holding court that afternoon at the CLEVELAND PARK Metro station.  
Park on the outskirts of town and wind your way into the madness on the MTA; 
couldn't be easier (now that you have the correct meeting site, anyway)!

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From lost_madflowr at xxx.com  Wed Aug 13 15:15:21 2003
From: lost_madflowr at xxx.com (leigh madflowr)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:15:21 +0000
Subject: Sinister: !!!!MIDATLANTIC PICNIC CORRECTION!!!!
Message-ID: <Law11-F55DrXY07Z4BT00008cbb@hotmail.com>

whee! it's about time for another picnic. we let last year skip by without a 
picnic @ the park. wait. we might have even skipped over two years. in any 
case, i am down, seeing as this will be one of my last dc sinister 
functions. has someone already contacted rock creek park about renting a 
picnic space for that day?

lala,
leigh


From: "Kim Girton" <kimgirton at xxx.com>
Reply-To: "Kim Girton" <kimgirton at hotmail.com>
To: sinister at missprint.org
Subject: Sinister: !!!!MIDATLANTIC PICNIC CORRECTION!!!!
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:26:41 -0400

** I'M A FREAKIN' MORON. **

With special thanks to Lisa, who pointed out that my geography is off and 
the CORRECT METRO STATION TO ARRIVE AT FOR THE SEPTEMBER 6th PICNIC IS THE 
CLEVELAND PARK METRO.  I'll just post again, dern it.  SORRY ABOUT THAT!  I 
think you all were forewarned that I'm not the sort who should be planning 
things.

WHAT: The first-ever-in-a-really-long-time MID-ATLANTIC SINISTER PICNIC

WHEN: Saturday, September 6 @ 12noon

WHERE: meet ups at CLEVELAND PARK Metro Station & Rock Creek Park (map to be 
distributed later)

Thanks to the extremely helpful nature and quick thinking of D.C. Sinister 
Listee Lisa, it's been officially declared that the delightful event will 
take place at Rock Creek Park, located in NW D.C. behind the National Zoo 
(Adam's Morgan).  For those who'd like to remain carless in the city, Lisa 
will be holding court that afternoon at the CLEVELAND PARK Metro station.  
Park on the outskirts of town and wind your way into the madness on the MTA; 
couldn't be easier (now that you have the correct meeting site, anyway)!

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From aorta47 at xxx.com  Wed Aug 13 18:44:41 2003
From: aorta47 at xxx.com (mmm skyscraper)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:44:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: clear canasta twee wet dress
Message-ID: <20030813174441.12937.qmail@web11808.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Sinister

This time last week I drove just over 500 miles to
Tampa, Florida for a very small Sinister meetup with a
lovely individual named Michelle. We went to see
Saturday Looks Good To Me, an amazing band the I
highly recommend to anyone who has not heard of them.
Their was another guy from Sinister at the show, shout
out to him if he's reading this. After the concert
Michelle talked the band into staying at her place. I
talked to the lead guy who was very cool and then we
drunkenly watched 'I'm Trying to Break Your Heart'. I
fell asleep around 4 and woke up as the band was
leaving. Michelle was a bit out of it, so I watched
this very strange movie on Showtime called 'Anna to
the Infinite Power'. One of the guys in it remeinded
me of Stuart. I was listening to Grandaddy's 'Sumday'
and later Royksopp's 'Melody A.M.' as I watched it, so
that made it even weirder. Overall it was a fun little
meetup.

It's nice to see a post from Gillian. 

If you're feeling twee, 
Go and see Mark C
You're probably better off listening to Talulah Gosh.

I hope everyone has a good time at the upcoming shows
and picnics. I wonder how long it will take for the
treasure hunt clues to be posted this time around.

Cheers,

mmm skyscraper (Mark) 


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From beiaardhorse at xxx.com  Wed Aug 13 19:23:59 2003
From: beiaardhorse at xxx.com (Aruni J)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 14:23:59 -0400
Subject: Sinister: fairytale of new york (picnic)
Message-ID: <Law15-F70E8B9DjCSDA0004f19a@hotmail.com>

Hello Sinister!

Long time, no communication from me whatsoever. I'm almost done with my 
second year of medical school now, "almost" being the operative word. Still, 
August, and a young girl's thoughts turn to picnics in Prospect Park...

Over on the Bowlie boards, there have been significant rumblings of a 
picnic. A picnic? Yes, a picnic.

Where: Prospect Park, outside the Picnic House, with all the picnic tables. 
Go here for a map: http://www.prospectpark.org/general/main.cfm?target=map . 
Or just head to Brooklyn and follow the trail of badges and record sleeves.

When: Tuesday August 19 from 2pm until we all become too antsy and feel the 
need to wait on line for our seats.

Bring food for yourself or to share if you wish, or get it there.

Based on prior experience, it should be a rockin', lockin' time. :) If you 
need more info, feel free to email me. I hope to see you there!

love,
aruni

PS Mark, you rock star, hanging out with Fred Thomas and the band! I 
remember Anna to the Infinite Power, the book. I had no idea there was a 
movie.

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From lleweth at xxx.com  Wed Aug 13 20:30:33 2003
From: lleweth at xxx.com (Laura Llew)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:30:33 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Laura Llew's Lengthy Lamentations: Post The First
Message-ID: <Law14-F89MaKBvxDy1R0004fa36@hotmail.com>

Markelby Minxed:
"As for the hot pants, it's just scurrilous gossip on a slow-news day. 
They're perfectly innocent shorts, bought for $2 at a goodwill store in 
Denver, and they don't reveal anything they shouldn't. I'm not that kind of 
boy!"

And on that sorrowful note, I shall now begin my Sinister Post of 
Lamentations.

Lament 1:1
Bright Eyes opening for Belle & Sebastian? I met a sinisterine at a Bright 
Eyes show a few years ago. Afterwards, he made a pass at me in a cemetery. 
I'd be interested to see what would happen with a whole swarm of 
sinisterines after Bright Eyes played. Not interested enough to actually pay 
to see Bright Eyes play, mind you. However, those going to the Cali shows & 
picnics - considered yourself warned.

Lament 1:2
I had heard from Sinister NY picnic mommy Eric that there wasn't a diluge of 
response to the announced Prospect Park picnic and was I  going to shame you 
all into coming. I mean the Gayest of Jays will be there! Do you really want 
to miss your chance to meet a real life North Carolinian?! (Be warned, they 
bite.) However, since Aruni's picnic announcement just came in I'm 
thoroughly confused on what is happening.

Will the two proposed picnics merge into one HUGE prospectful picniciking 
force or will there be a battle of the picnics - complete with food flinging 
and ant cheerleaders? If there's a fight, then I'm siding with Eric and 
Jay's picnic. They might be gay and might not know how to fight but at least 
all battle plans will be executed with style. Actually, I take that back. I 
hear GayJay wields a pretty mean foil. Personally, I just want an 
opportunity to yell, "Parry his flank!" in public. Heaven knows that my life 
already suffers seriously from absence of blade as it is.

I just realized how smutty one can get with fencing terms so I looked up in 
a fencing glossary on-line all the terms which begine with L. Here's a 
choice few: La Belle, Low Line, Low Invitation, and Lunge. Fencing terms sum 
me up completely! Who would have thought it?!

Lament 1:3
The other thing I'm looking forward to during the Llew Takes Manhattan 2003 
spree next week is the fact that the DOROTHY PARKER festival will be taking 
place that weekend. Wheeeee! I think if anyone else is planning to be around 
that you should come if interested. (You can sign up at: 
http://www.dorothyparkernyc.com/). I know I will be there - eating lunch at 
the round table at the Algonquin, doing a walking tour of all of Parker's 
old haunts through Manhattan (naturally, there's a bar stop after each 
actual home or old employment site), watching excerpts from the play "Here 
Lies Dorothy Parker, etc. The only sad part is that I shan't be staying at 
least one night at the Algonquin (which is on my To Do Before I Die list) 
because it's too expensive even with the fact that they're giving a discount 
to those attending the festival.

Friend: What do you have to do to get the Dorothy Parker discount? Commit 
suicide?
Me: I believe you have to sleep with all the males on the staff. Good thing 
she wasn't bi-sexual or you'd really be tired by the time you went to bed 
that night.

I tried to get someone to split the costs of the room with me but I think my 
warning that I'd probably end up hitting on them scared them away. Tsk, tsk.

Her name was Llew but they all called her Llewse,
Ll

PS - Is there anyone in the New York area who would let a nice soft sinister 
crash on their couch/floor/dry porch for any night on the beginning of next 
week (Monday - Thursday)? Obviously since I used the word "nice" I'm not 
referring to but I can vouch for them and am scrambling to find inexpensive 
places for people I know who will be up there.

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From e.brasure at xxx.uk  Wed Aug 13 21:10:11 2003
From: e.brasure at xxx.uk (Eric Brasure)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:10:11 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Brooklyn Picnic
References: <Law14-F89MaKBvxDy1R0004fa36@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c361d6$e6920250$74fea8c0@joshua>

Hi Sinister.

Laura Llew just wrote:

"Will the two proposed picnics merge into one HUGE prospectful picniciking
force or will there be a battle of the picnics - complete with food flinging
and ant cheerleaders?"

No. I turn over control of any picnic to Aruni. It's more trouble than it's
worth, although it might have been nice if she had emailed me first. Oh
well.

Love,
Eric

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From boyincorduroy at xxx.com  Wed Aug 13 21:18:52 2003
From: boyincorduroy at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Mark=20Casarotto?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:18:52 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Now she is a popstar, with her own TV show
Message-ID: <20030813201852.61650.qmail@web10412.mail.yahoo.com>

Mmm Skyscraper took my name in vain, or rather took
Talulah Gosh's name in vain. I couldn't actually
figure out if it was a diss or not, but, y'know, being
(affectedly) twee is just as bad as being a fake
ANYTHING. If B&S make you want to commit fakery, then
you're not listening to the same band (to coin a much
loved inkie phrase).

Bit anyway, Talulah Gosh? Apart from the name, they
ain't twee. The eponymous single (best song of the
80s?) kicks so much arse, but more to the point, it's
ANTI-TWEE. The Walter Mitty-esque protagonist is
pitied but not tolerated in her little fantasy world.
Maybe I feel that B&S, by and large, have a similar
attitude.

So, I'm drinking campari and watching football.
Renaissance man or what? I've also been lamenting the
void that is #sinister in the summer months. I hope
all you ace posters are going to be back patronising
our little chatroom when summer's over.

"Patronising". A word I always feel is close to my
heart.

Toodle pip,
Mark xxx



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From beiaardhorse at xxx.com  Wed Aug 13 21:59:38 2003
From: beiaardhorse at xxx.com (Aruni J)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:59:38 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Brooklyn Picnic
Message-ID: <LAW15-F100VBhD3sjf30004fb89@hotmail.com>

I'm sorry! I couldn't find the details of the picnic through searching the 
archives, so I just posted what I had. But if there's been a different time 
or something set, we can go with that. There's no need for duelling picnics!

~Aruni


>From: "Eric Brasure" <e.brasure at xxx.uk>
>Reply-To: "Eric Brasure" <e.brasure at uea.ac.uk>
>To: <sinister at missprint.org>
>Subject: Sinister: Brooklyn Picnic
>Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:10:11 -0400
>
>Hi Sinister.
>
>Laura Llew just wrote:
>
>"Will the two proposed picnics merge into one HUGE prospectful picniciking
>force or will there be a battle of the picnics - complete with food 
>flinging
>and ant cheerleaders?"
>
>No. I turn over control of any picnic to Aruni. It's more trouble than it's
>worth, although it might have been nice if she had emailed me first. Oh
>well.
>
>Love,
>Eric
>
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From beiaardhorse at xxx.com  Wed Aug 13 21:59:59 2003
From: beiaardhorse at xxx.com (Aruni J)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:59:59 -0400
Subject: Sinister: Brooklyn Picnic
Message-ID: <Law15-F4JOwFIN8plGF000036cd@hotmail.com>

I'm sorry! I couldn't find the details of the picnic through searching the 
archives, so I just posted what I had. But if there's been a different time 
or something set, we can go with that. There's no need for duelling picnics!

~Aruni


>From: "Eric Brasure" <e.brasure at xxx.uk>
>Reply-To: "Eric Brasure" <e.brasure at uea.ac.uk>
>To: <sinister at missprint.org>
>Subject: Sinister: Brooklyn Picnic
>Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:10:11 -0400
>
>Hi Sinister.
>
>Laura Llew just wrote:
>
>"Will the two proposed picnics merge into one HUGE prospectful picniciking
>force or will there be a battle of the picnics - complete with food 
>flinging
>and ant cheerleaders?"
>
>No. I turn over control of any picnic to Aruni. It's more trouble than it's
>worth, although it might have been nice if she had emailed me first. Oh
>well.
>
>Love,
>Eric
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From the_sad_witch at xxx.com  Thu Aug 14 09:54:13 2003
From: the_sad_witch at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Gillian=20Kirby?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:54:13 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: i love you, you pay my rent
Message-ID: <20030814085413.70110.qmail@web41308.mail.yahoo.com>

I was watching Fame Academy last night, an event
thatmade me annoy my neighbiurs by my singing-I was
wondering what I would do as an audition pice, until I
realised that a) everything I can sding is too obscure
for a mainstream pop show, and b)I can;t actually
sing..

Anyhow, what does this mean? it's been bugging me for
ages...

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From S.Hewitt at xxx.uk  Thu Aug 14 11:39:37 2003
From: S.Hewitt at xxx.uk (Hewitt, Stephen)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:39:37 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Come 'ere young 'un, let me tell you a tale...
Message-ID: <E48610C4E2DDD5119A060002A540B9F601635DB6@CITYLIT_ADMIN02>

Ello babies

Gillian said:
> Anyhow, what does this mean? it's been bugging me for
> ages...
> 
> Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa                 
> +-+
> > +-+               Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan
> slut!                

Hmm yes I imagine it's difficult to search the archives for a phrase that
appears on every mail.  However having just had a go I was surprised, nay
shocked, to find out that NNMP (without the comma) was first included in the
footer in may 98.

For those of you without access to a thai phonetic/english translation
machine I can tell you it is thai for "this is pish, I think I'll leave", a
phrase that entered sinister lore when stuart david typed it during this:

http://www.missprint.org/sinister/bandchat.txt

Looking at that makes me sad cos there is MINKA and SWANNIE and lots of
other people on it, and also, confusingly paul strange fruit unless I'm very
much mistaken...

Also it appears StuD didn't leave for ages after that anyway...

SSS is either swedish or norwegian (sorry) and is the equivalent of "and
they all lived happily ever after" at the end of kid's stories, although it
doesn't literally mean that.  Again, difficult to search the archives for
something in every mail...

I'm glad all you american types are getting excited about GIGS and stuff,
hopefully they will be lots of fun.

At the moment I'm all about 3 things:

1.  PIRATES, yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Pirates of the caribbean is
only the second film I've seen in the cinema this year, and although it is
about half an hour too long my pirate bingo card was filled in with ease
(also ZOMBIE MONKEY!!!!)

2.  MJ HIBBETT.  He used to be one of us you know, and he's just released
his second album and I think it's GRATE.  There are some tracks to listen to
here:  http://www.mjhibbett.com/

3. FREAKY TRIGGER RE-LAUNCH. Containing stuff by several (ex-)ones of us and
lots of team-blog goodness http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/index.html and a
big picture of a fluffy cat on the front page...

I think that's all

xoxo
CarsmileSteve
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From stephanowic at xxx.it  Thu Aug 14 12:49:39 2003
From: stephanowic at xxx.it (Stefano [Steady-State])
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:49:39 +0200
Subject: Sinister: Smoked today, first time since 1988
Message-ID: <HJLY6R$61F443DBE116AB470B9ED20C7421228F@libero.it>

	[With kids I knew, though springs and then in falls. But they are not kids at all.]
Well I didn´t actually smoke at all today. First day since some December Sunday something. Guess it should have been about my birthday last year. Haven´t smoked since I have been at high school. 1988, I guess. Definitely got sharp memory of a general few weeks long strike the Italian tobacco monopoly, which provides all the authorised dealers. Yes, we still got this kind institution over there. Anyway end of the second week of strike the only things one could see on the shelf were either the cigarette the monopoly itself crafts. But without filter. And believe me, you won´t try to taste them, even when you 16 and have being reading Charles Bukowsky novels for the previous few months. The other option was obscure menthol cigarettes, of course in their metal green box which distinguish them from far away. You possibly won´t try them either. But at least they had a filter. And the Swiss was so far away.	
	 But for today is too late, some business I guess, no consolation as if I knew.
		How busy you are.
	Haven´t listen to Karate for ages, and we quite amazed how much I have enjoyed listening to them last night. Didn´t even feel the need to smoke a fag, I´ve promised that I´ll rise this day next year and Diazepam won´t leave me death, (yeah!)
I´ll stay right we I am!

[The Disastrous Waitress]
	This is such an excellent title for a record that can´t really wait for it to be released. I have enjoyed very much the instrumentals on storytelling, but I really prefer the bits from the movie to most of the songs.  Actually due to the magic of information technology I´ve released my own private version, which is the full instrumental one, if you want to try it, I find it extremely lovely... but now that we have a disastrous waitress waiting for us what can we ask more?
	Moreover, I have to admit got a particular attitude to have silly crash on waitresses. I have. They don´t. And this is because they are wise. My actual flatmate is a waitress as well.  She is not wise. Might be I´ll need to meet the disastrous one. In fact I think I had. She was serving in a pub in Stoke Newington, and she had I style. We used to rehears in a place nearby that is why we have discovered this pub. To make a long story short, we had released a dame called `My love, a Waitress´, actually is now out as a split called `My love, A definition´. Mind I didn´t have the FGTH producer at the time and opted for recording it with a seventies second hand mono cassette recorder. DIY is bless.
	If you feel any curious but feel a bit scary by out-of-fashion background-noise-loaded tapes you got a chance to hear us playing THE ARTS CAFÉ´ (LUNDUN) on the 31 of August... I am as excited that I am actually jumping on the chair while telling you that. Haven´t been playing a gig in this country since the day I arrived, some December something a couple of years ago. And that was fantastic. 
We will be supporting lovely country folk from Meets Guitar and a fellow Italian band called Morose. Which amazingly means girlfriends...Isn´t that weird?   I suppose some can say that a girlfriend can make you a bit morose at time... but well won´t necessarily agree! {e-mail me of line to be placed on the cheap list  if you fancy that}....

Moreover:

[The Red Bull dozers]
	Are playing Glasgow at the Winchester club! That´s magnificent. How many surprises will Mr K.P. Chu reserve to his audience before they can melt their selves on the disco floor? That would have been a dream to come over and escape Lundun for a while, but really, even if I keep forgetting at time, I have a job here that I can´t escape all the time I would to. This should be kind of a general feeling isn´t?     
	
Anyway, we have an option which is as good as in the always excellent: 

[How Does it Feel to Be Loved]
	Shall I say something more? It is just great.
	

	We had a nice picnic and a lovely night at:
[Tigermilking] 
as well. I have placed some more photographs and a playlist on the website
http://www.undermybed.org/tigermilking
Hope you have a good laugh looking at them.
	I have still to say thank you to all who came, that was really kind of yours, and especially Ally and Lucy (and Lucy too) coming all the way down from Glasgow, that really almost moved me to tears.
	Well I am quite a crying person so shouldn´t be such an event. But yet again thank you thank you thank you.
	
	Take care my dear sinisters
	Your almost steady
	Stefano

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in the time of the winter 
the waiter fell into the snow
he could hear a voice but 
will he ever find his way
if I'm so far from your 
heart why do I feel it beat
and time won't wait for us
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From david_moore at xxx.uk  Thu Aug 14 17:59:17 2003
From: david_moore at xxx.uk (David Moore)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 17:59:17 +0100
Subject: Sinister: i love you, you pay my rent 
Message-ID: <000201c36285$68cacf00$612994d9@oemcomputer>

Hello All,

Blimey, so that's what it looks like in here - I'd forgotten.


Gillian said:

"Anyhow, what does this mean? it's been bugging me for ages...

Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa
+-+
> +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut"


Steve has already explained the Thai bit, so maybe I can help with the
Swedish. I guess that a search of Sinister for sluts would overload the
system, but looking in the archives for 'Playing Footsie' might help.

Or if you're feeling too lazy:

"snipp snapp snut are just nonsense words that doesn't mean anything but
sounds nice. so it kind of means "Snipp snapp snut, and so the story was
ended". It's usually used when reading a book for a child: after reading
the last page and picking the book up and closing it with a little "snapp"
So I guess it's a nice end for sinistermails..."


Do I do adverts here now?
The new Broadcast album 'Haha Sound' may possibly be the best release of the
year, see http://www.warprecords.com/ for details.


In that post of mine from 04.01.02 I looked forward to the Belle and
Sebastian DVD, which is funny.


Kramar,

David Moore
Chelmsford, UK

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From hehitsnoozetwice at xxx.com  Fri Aug 15 00:39:34 2003
From: hehitsnoozetwice at xxx.com (Jesse Chanin)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:39:34 -0400
Subject: Sinister: my week
Message-ID: <BAY8-F114ZVo2d3gwhD0001088b@hotmail.com>

I am standing looking out over the performance studio and wishing myself 
inside the bodies behind the microphones, trying to will myself into their 
minds as they read down a stock list of questions for their homosexual 
guests:

�Do you support gay marriage?�
�Do you support gay adoption?�
�Is it harder to be gay than to be straight?�

(Read in a complete monotone of course, but the hosts themselves are not 
professionals but rather homeless teens we�ve been training for weeks, 
teaching radio as part of �community outreach� and at each stutter I flinch 
� while my co-worker stands next to me glowing pride)

I want to ask my own questions.  I want to say, �Do you think sexuality 
plays a bigger role in the personalities of homosexual people than in 
straight people, or is that just a misconception based on the fact that what 
is heterosexual is considered �normal� and thus is less noticeable?�  I want 
to say, �Do you want the first thing people notice about you to be your 
sexuality?�  I would ask, �Is our culture too sex-obsessed?�  Again I 
attempt to will myself into the teen interviewer.

�So, is like, being gay, like, different?� she asks.

Kale is sitting out in the other studio talking to the director of the 
program; Kale who has been bothering me ever so much since I finished 
�Middlesex� (by the same Greek fellow who wrote the Virgin Suicides 
actually) and then the same day was told he�s actually female.  I walk by 
the studio under the pretense of getting water and look in.  He still looks 
male (though perhaps effeminate) and they nod at me as I go by.
*
The day before I�d had to drive a radio teen home and in the car she told me 
all about her childhood: her father�s death, her mother�s partying and 
sequential pregnancies with her brother-in-law, this girl staying up until 
3am, to take care of her siblings, and I cringed and said sympathetic 
thoughts and tried to silently convince her to say �I said� instead of �I 
says.�  (She apparently is unreceptive to my telepathy)

Before we left she�d wanted to see my house, so I gave her a short tour.

�It�s so big,� she said, caressing the walls.

�It�s not that big.  It�s dirty.  You know.�
*
I�ve been constantly tired lately.  It�s the weather (the pope says to pray 
for cooler times, folks), and getting up at 6am, and working two jobs.  My 
mom thinks I have mono and suggests acupuncture.  I make some joke about 
feng shui that she doesn�t find funny. When your house is built on an 
underground spring, it�s all a bit depressing.
*
I stand above the controls on the engineering board and lightly touch dials 
that don�t need to be adjusted.  I watch their levels and wish I were 
wearing a cowboy hat and a button-down shirt.  I decline an offer of a 
chair, preferring to stand, looming over the switches and feeling so 
wonderfully and totally in control.  Except there�s this slight ticking 
noise coming from somewhere�
*
The show the day before had been better.  There were four teen hosts, one of 
whom was a girl from Somalia who didn�t speak English very well.  I had her 
start off the show so she�d end up speaking and she did amazingly well and I 
smiled and clapped for her.  She had a beautiful, rhythmic accent that 
floated deeply on the air, and the most incredible skin color I�d ever seen. 
  I didn�t tell her that.

They were all country kids, these four, and possessed the characteristic 
nativity.   It had been refreshing � they�d read their work without first 
issuing a disclaimer of its poor quality.  I wonder for a moment where I was 
taught to do that; who told me to fear arrogance so?
*
My roommate assignment comes in the mail and I try to discern personality 
flaws from a name and ten-digit phone number.  Eventually I make a list of 
questions and lie on the floor next to the phone slowly dialing the number.  
As my finger hits the last one, I decide the list is boring and ridiculous 
and I throw it away.  The first ring of the phone catches in my throat.  It 
proceeds to ring ten more times and then I hang up.

My hands get clammy.  What sort of a Neanderthal wouldn�t have an answering 
machine??
*
The ticking has increased.  One of the guests, a seventeen year-old boy, 
refers to himself as �she.�  I pause.  That�s the second one.  Shouldn�t I 
be able to tell?  Shouldn�t I know?  I want to get boots and paint my 
fingernails a dark purple and pull the cowboy hat over my eyes and glower (I 
won't).  I grin encouragingly at the young hosts.  Tick.
*
After the show another girl in my �mentor� position drives me home.  She 
wants me to come with her because she feels like bitching and (somewhat 
worryingly) everyone knows I�m always into that.  Soon however, we start 
talking about other things too: music, books, African accents.  She parks 
the car in front of my house and we laugh at each other for awhile.  I feel 
in control and don�t once glance at the shift, out the window, toward the 
wheel.  It seems I could stay in the car talking to her forever.

�So, I�ve got to go,� she says.  �Dinner is soon.�
*
The DJ who does the following show has entered the engineering room and I 
point out the ticking to him.  �Hmm,� he says in his best southern accent.  
�Let�s see here.�  He presses a button and sends the signal to a remote 
location, knocking the station off the air.  The ticking continues.

Everyone immediately panics.  I run to get the director and send her in, and 
I stand outside talking with Kale.  I don�t say anything because there�s 
never an opportunity to slip in, �So when did you decide to become male?�  I 
run around pretending to be stressed so as to further assert my control, but 
eventually get bored and pick up the �G� World Book Encyclopedia from 1972.  
It opens to a map of Greece, over which they have imprinted a giant outline 
of the United States, presumably so ignorant Americans can better understand 
its relative size.  While skimming Greek facts, I tap my fingers lightly 
against my thigh and a girl tells me I should try chain smoking as a cure 
for my constant and irritating fidgeting.
*
I have one more day of work this summer, two weeks before college, two days 
before Canada, and I�m tired and the infernal ticking continues.  I think of 
the Tell-Tale Heart.  I want to tell someone something but I don�t know 
what.  The humidity sticks my door shut and even my crazy neighbor is out of 
town.  I imagine the whole city empty except me, and my cowboy hat, and this 
ticking, and sticky car-rides home full of complaints.  At work my 
coke-addict co-worker gives me her e-mail address and tells me to keep in 
touch.

�I want to know what college�s like these days.  I want to hear from you,� 
she says.

�What if I go goth?  What if I dress all in black and stop talking and 
decide to live in a weird orgy commune in San Fransisco?  What if I flunk 
out?�

�Well, then do me a favor and please don�t frickin' write.�
*
I slowly pick up all the headphones and wind their cords in circles.  I am 
alone in the studio for a moment and I open the window and can suddenly 
breathe � the weather has turned.

Someone bursts in.  �Do you know where the PSAs have gone??�

He has hair the color of rust.  �And this makes background noise!� He slams 
shut the window and dashes out.

I untie my hair and let it fall over my eyes.  I pretend it�s a cowboy hat.


**
have a nice friday, sinister.
jesse

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From anders at xxx.com  Fri Aug 15 15:05:08 2003
From: anders at xxx.com (anders)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:05:08 +0200
Subject: Sinister: expectations
Message-ID: <200308151605.AA2459369596@bakvendtland.com>


hello sinister

i have just arrived at home.
the first thing i did when i came in was to take off my shoes (which are new so it is really hard to not say anything about them. but i will resist) check the mail i had brought from the mail box, nothing even remotely interesting, and then eat (old bread. yum!)
when i had eaten i went up here, up the stairs to this room where the computer is located, then i started typing.

SNIPP SNAPP SNUTE, SÅ VAR EVENTYRET UTE

these words mean exactly the same as the swedish words that look quite much the same, "Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut!", and the meaning of these words was explained excellent by david moore, i just wanted to add a wee piece of information, which is that these words, at least the norwegian ones (yes! they're norwegian), are how to end a fairy tale.
if you're to write a fairy tale in norwegain there ar certain rules you'll have to know about. this is one of them. you must start with "det var en gang" which is just about "once upon a time", and then all the rules about three, seven and..., and you must always end by saying snipp snapp snute, så var eventyret ute.
i don't think english have anything like that.
and this is serious. if you have an exam, where your task is to write a fairy tale, you just might fail, no, but get lower grades, if you forget to, or choose not to, end your little story with those words.
i think this is nothing but a coincidence, but snute means snout and snipp and snapp are those two squirrels, sometimes alone in the forest with their own forest-friends, but sometimes also seen with donald duck, and then usually as his enemies, they might steel nuts from his price-winning tre which will be inspected later that day, or something else, and i think their english names are chip and dale. i think i know that because when i was a kid, which i to some probably still are, had a nintendo, and yes, i still have it in my room, i am very good at super mario 3, he he, but i won't boast, oh i might just do so, but first i will say that i used to have the chip and dale game "chip n dale: rescue mission" or something, i don't know where it is now, when i recollected the nintendo and unpacked it last autumn, after all these years, that paricular game, and other games were not located where i expected and wanted them to be. pity. it was an ecellent game. dog robots and you w!
 ould pick up apples that were twice the size of yourself and them throw them at already mentioned robot-dogs, or some bees or.., anyways, i don't have that anymore. i only have super mario 3, super mario bros, tetris and nintendo world cup. all wonderful games. i especially like, in addition to sm3, world cup, you see there is no ref, and you can do anything, so if you have two players, one can try scoring and one can knock down the other team, that is how violent i am, that's the most violent thing i do, knock down nintendo kamerun players that will arise again if i push the restart button, and i do, just to check if they're ok, and they are. tetris is a classic.
my sister is on hell of a tetris player, my dad too.
so it's not that fun.
i loose.
but, i'm best at super mario 3, i'm even better than astrid i think. (det håper og tror jeg da i hvert fall, hvis ikke; la meg få leve med den illusjonen))

FOSS...

...is the name of my new school.
my first day is monday.
18.8.03
and i'm really nervous.
that was where i was today by the way, i said that i'd been out, no i didn't say that i had, but i said that i came in and when you come in you've normally been out, and i am quite normal. to get to my school i will have to take the bus which is a rather big change because the school i've been at for the last nine years (sigh!) is just two minutes away from here, i can see it if i go into my room and lean out of the window, but this school foss, is in the centre of oslo, not in the centre-centre, but quite close, grünerløkka, which might be oslo's soho, but..ermm, forget it, i'm not a london expert and it can hardly be compared anyways due to the fact that oslo has about half a million inhabitants, and london has, erm, some millions, quite a few millions too i think.
so today i went down there with the bus, to test it. check if it all went well, know exactly at which bus stop to leave the bus, walk to the school, take the time of everything, walk around in the area and last but not least, feel the feeling of being a student at that school and not at haugen as i've been for nine years (sigh again!). it is a good feeling. i'm sick of haugen, it's better now, but when i left last june, oh, what a wonderful feeling, knowing that i'm not to return unless i want to. to say hello and steal some paper which was free there but i will have to buy now.
haugen was terrible, some nice guys, just a few and those who weren't nice was, well, "not my style".
i was with the few nice guys instead of the-hang-outside-the-local-shop-and-smoke-and-look-cool-in-our-brand-new-diesel-and-levis-and-psycho-clothes-and-don't-care-about-school-and-talk-of-nothing-but-the-imagined-fight-i-had-last-week-and-how-everyone's-after-me-and-sometimes-even-talk-about-eminem-and-50-cent-and-try-to-get-some-grown-up-to-buy-more-cigarettes-and-of-the-bmw-i-will-buy-when-i'm-18-though-i-know-i-will-hardly-be-able-to-buy-anything-when-i'm-in-jail-or-on-the-dole-or-working-in-this-very-shop-because-there-will-be-so-many-kids-like-me-there-that-steal-everything-they-see-to-give-to-their-imagined-girlfriends.
or something like that.
not very nice lads to unknown.
terribly nice lads to known.
(hmm? wonder why they were all so nice to be? but only me? not anyone else i was with? hmmm?)
i think it'll be better now. that's why i'm so excited, because foss is known as the music school of the city. and the red school (political) and the school for the freaks. 
i know it's not supposed to be like that, but i am actually looking forward to school. the last week of the holiday is supposed to go so fast because of how you want it to last forever, but i feel rather that it's really long because i want to satrt at school so much. i'm sure i won't feel that happy about being at school in three weeks, but now, it seems like heaven. not school but, hopefully, the people there.
ah...
maybe i'll be really disappointed because i have rather huge expectations. well.

DEAR CATASTROPHE WAITRESS

is something i have even higher expectations to.
and why do i think this is such a great record?  don't know. apart from it being a belle and sebastian record, i have not many reasons to believe so, well, there is lord anthony and sleep on a sunbeam and roy walker then. but mostly; it's just a feeling i have.
i must admit that this is the first time i've anticipated a record as much as i do now. i am so young, my musical taste is very young, born only a few years ago, and me being sixteen makes this the very first release i've been looking forward to for such a long time. i don't have much more to say about it.
just that i'm very excited.

ALBUS DUMBLEDORE

is a nice bloke. and harry potter and the order of the phoenix is a great book. it kept me up all night three days in a row i think. perfect! can't wait for the next. though after reading litterature you could buy in a seven eleven shop, it is good for the conscience to sit back with a dostojevskij. i'm not as sad as dostojevskij and i'm not as clever as mark twain.
so i might just do that now.
read a bit.
tonight i will have to go to football training (why do you choose the football training to be late friday night?)
so, now i'll read i think.
how long will it be to the next harry potter.
anyone in wherever joanne live fancy stealing the next book. it'd be highly appreciated...

anders 
 


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From R.Playforth at xxx.uk  Fri Aug 15 15:38:28 2003
From: R.Playforth at xxx.uk (Rachel Playforth)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:38:28 +0100
Subject: Sinister: stratosphere await arse cd
Message-ID: <23968134.1060961908@slir2301.central.susx.ac.uk>

Wotcha list.

'Dear Catastrophe Waitress' sounds like a stupid anagram, and I love stupid 
anagrams. So I am NEARLY excited. Although my CD budget has been whittled 
away to nothing by the evils of DEBT. So, kids, if you want to be enjoying 
Belle & Sebastian in your old age (much like Carsmile and David Moore for 
example hoho), don't take out loans. Just work really hard and try to live 
somewhere with low rent, like a cardboard box.

Summer is a very busy time here in the language school. I am unable to do 
all the appropriate things such as ease my feet in the sea, have picnics, 
go on holiday and get pissed on Cosmopolitans. Also I have improving books 
about libraries to read. So I probably haven't posted to Sinister for a 
good long while.

Here I am, though. I am drinking Ribena as we speak. And I found time to 
add Ken's latest effort to
http://www.angelfire.com/indie/pastiches
which Ian and other interested parties may like to revisit for their 
pastiche fix. Plug over. (Not smut.)

Hm, what else is there to say? I am moving house again, to be the proud 
owner of a Patio (which offers all kinds of possibilities for seaside 
Sinister gatherings, of course.)

I was thinking the other day about the 'gang' I had at university, a group 
of friends and acquaintances more or less on tap, who could always be 
relied on to congregate in one bar, or one person's house, or whatever. 
Nowadays there are things called jobs which seem to interfere in a most 
unattractive way, meaning that the simplest social arrangement between even 
TWo people, let alone 20, takes weeks of planning. Whose door can I knock 
on at 1am now, eh? This made me sad. But then I realised that there IS 
still a gang I belong to, one whose members DO always know where to find 
each other. The names and faces change, but whatever time zone or mood 
you're in, someone's out there.

Thanks Sinister,

love Archel


*******
Rachel Playforth
Resources Assistant
Sussex Language Institute
University of Sussex
Falmer, Brighton BN1 9QN

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From sands at xxx.com  Fri Aug 15 16:18:17 2003
From: sands at xxx.com (Sanders)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 11:18:17 -0400
Subject: Sinister: FYI: B&S to appear on Morning Becomes Eclectic
Message-ID: <000001c36340$74339460$6401a8c0@dtpxdotcom>

FYI: Belle and Sebastian are scheduled to appear on the radio program
"Morning Becomes Eclectic" on KCRW in Santa Monica, California on Tuesday,
August 26 at 11:15am Pacific Time. KCRW will be streaming the broadcast live
in audio and video on their website. Visit the following URL for more
information and to listen or watch the broadcast live:
http://www.kcrw.org/show/mb/

For those of you who might not be able to tune in at that time, KCRW
archives all of their shows on their website. So, you should be able to
listen to or watch it later that week.

- Sanders



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From irivamon at xxx.com  Fri Aug 15 18:05:39 2003
From: irivamon at xxx.com (Ian Rivamonte)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:05:39 -0700
Subject: Sinister: San Francisco Happenings?
Message-ID: <BAY2-DAV14nAKJCJAhh0000fe86@hotmail.com>

Hello Sinister.

Long time subscriber and lurker just came back from the dead (literally).

Anyways, reading the archives the last week or so and there seems to be
nothing going on for the San Francisco / Bay Area Sinister members other
than Ben Apps' attempt to have a gathering set up.  I apologize if this is
repetitive, but has there been any resolution to that?  Picnic?  Meet-up?
Football wth B&S at Golden Gate Park (oh please invite me!)?

Any info would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks!

Cheers,
Ian
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From BenL at xxx.org  Fri Aug 15 20:11:24 2003
From: BenL at xxx.org (Ben Lee)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:11:24 -0700
Subject: Sinister: San Francisco Happenings?
Message-ID: <DEE9D8222FDDD311AE59009027D60B8F047AA525@mail.harker.org>

A meet-up before next Friday's Berkeley show, perhaps?

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From: Ian Rivamonte [mailto:irivamon at xxx.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 10:06 AM
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Subject: Sinister: San Francisco Happenings?


Hello Sinister.

Long time subscriber and lurker just came back from the dead (literally).

Anyways, reading the archives the last week or so and there seems to be
nothing going on for the San Francisco / Bay Area Sinister members other
than Ben Apps' attempt to have a gathering set up.  I apologize if this is
repetitive, but has there been any resolution to that?  Picnic?  Meet-up?
Football wth B&S at Golden Gate Park (oh please invite me!)?

Any info would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks!

Cheers,
Ian
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From benapps at xxx.com  Fri Aug 15 20:35:25 2003
From: benapps at xxx.com (Ben Apps)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:35:25 +0100
Subject: Sinister: San Francisco Happenings?
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Ben Lee said:
>A meet-up before next Friday's Berkeley show, perhaps?

That would be ideal. Come on reluctant picnic mummies and daddies let's get 
it ohwn!

Something else just occured to me. Do you think it would be insensitive to 
play "Don't leave the light on, baby" in Brooklyn?

tsk tsk, 5 line posts. What would the purists say?


Bapps

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From irivamon at xxx.com  Fri Aug 15 21:17:10 2003
From: irivamon at xxx.com (Ian Rivamonte)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:17:10 -0700
Subject: Sinister: San Francisco Happenings
Message-ID: <BAY2-DAV32q4gtopWd7000331bb@hotmail.com>

I would be more than happy to lead the crew and set up a place to meet up.
However, we need more of a response from this List.  Such as, is there
anyone actually attending the picnic if we do hold one?

Location will probably be at Berkeley somewhere.  Maybe the Marina over
there?  I have no clue.

So, if there is anyone interested in a sinister picnic, please post.  We
need to match (or even outdo) the Brooklyn sinister kids!  Come on!

Cheers,
Ian
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From jayeckard at xxx.com  Sat Aug 16 23:15:42 2003
From: jayeckard at xxx.com (Jay Eckard)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 22:15:42 +0000
Subject: Sinister: War!
Message-ID: <Law11-F14VVVLb2WIzn0004c560@hotmail.com>

Friends, Sinisters, Countrymen, Lend me your Ears:


  Miss Laura Llew pondered:

" Will the two proposed picnics merge into one HUGE prospectful picniciking 
force or will there be a battle of the picnics - complete with food flinging 
and ant cheerleaders? If there's a fight, then I'm siding with Eric and 
Jay's picnic. They might be gay and might not know how to fight but at least 
all battle plans will be executed with style. Actually, I take that back. I 
hear GayJay wields a pretty mean foil. Personally, I just want an 
opportunity to yell, "Parry his flank!" in public. Heaven knows that my life 
already suffers seriously from absence of blade as it is."

   I think we all know the answer to this. OF COURSE there will be a huge 
fight. 
More-vicious-than-two-girls-with-chips-on-their-shoulders-and-long-fingernails-to-boot-type 
Big.
   And as no one else is signing up to do it, I nominate myself El Supremo 
Generalissimo of the Sinister forces.
  As I see it, we will muster at dawn. We will arrange are forces thusly 
*marks in the ground with his patented pointing stick* Our pikemen here in 
four rows at the front, and flanking them behind on each side, the shot. I 
recommend matchlock harqebuses, as they are dependable in battle, unlike 
these new-fangled muskets and flint lock rifle. Behind the pikes, arranged 
in several rows, the Infantrymen, and behind these our mounted men.
  We strike at dawn, moving to take over their Picnique encampment. I'll 
have some rousing speech ready. Something noble, "... that on this day of St 
Picnic Piciannic, we shall all stand a tip-toe and rouse ourselves at the 
name of Sinister!" And then we will all charge into battle under the cry 
"Cry God for Honey, England and St Geroge!"
  Of course, there will be some resistance. When a few men fall back, I'll 
have another speech all ready to go: "Once more into the Breech dear 
friends, once more into the Breech or fill up all the walls with Our 
Sinister dead!"
  Since god is obviously on our side, we shall win. I will be humble, 
allowing hymns like the Te Deum and Laudamus be sung, but will gentle remind 
you that France is now ours. We will split all the booty, Tuna Sandwiches 
and such and drink Diet Coke well spik'd with Rum. We shall have 
mirthsomeful tidings of dancing and music. We may even let theh Bowlie join 
in.
  Oh yes, it shall be swell. And I will marry me the Bowlie princess and 
everything will be swell till that French bitch Joan of Arc fights back and 
my kid gets killed.

  Oh.

  Wait.

  I'm confusing myself with Henry V again. Dammit. Man.

Well anyway, I recommend beatin' some Bowlie.

GayJay




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From greenstar33 at xxx.com  Sun Aug 17 06:49:10 2003
From: greenstar33 at xxx.com (Tamra  Ann Thomas)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 01:49:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: your knowledge is needed. 
Message-ID: <20030817054910.DA8EB3DE8@xmxpita.excite.com>


so, i did something stupid. i wrote what i thought to be a sarcastic and humorous message to a boy on friendster that has a vendetta against "emo" music. i made a very very poor argument that belle and sebastian are a "emo-isk" band, and therefore liking them, he had emo in his blood, and was just in denial about it. so, i started a war. he wrote me a very long, and what i found to be humorous retort to my message. i am sure that he wanted to make me cry with they way he was choosing his words, but it just made me laugh. so, it now comes to the point of this post. i have three questions for you (one of which is more of a proposal). question one. what french movie that came out in 1975 did some of the lyrics from "the state i am in" come from and or were inspired by? if i am dumb because i do not know this, so be it. i am dumb. i jokingly used the line "i was happy for a day in 1975" to prove that b&s was "emo." emphasis on jokingly. oh dear. he quickly trashed my status as a!
  fan of b&s because i did not know this fact. 

question two.

what is your definition of emo, twee, and or any other hip music category that you might be able to help me define. all i know is weezer is emo, b&s is twee, and modest mouse is indie. what is used to define these placements, and is there a hierarchy? 

question three, or more correctly stated, a proposal.

i propose that labeling bands into different subgroups might be a good idea for making it easier to make yourself feel as though you are part of a larger community, but here does it go bad? this message that the gentlemen sent me sparked a inner debate with me that either you find inherently interesting, or plainly boring and with obvious answers. either way, i want to know what you think. this man really hates this genre of music, and i am finding myself question what defines this genre, is his annoyance justified, and more importantly, why is this important? if we spent a lot of time labeling the bands we like into different categories, don't we lose sight on something that is supposed to be the reason we like music in the first place? when i was growing up and first started to listen to nirvana (my first "rock band," i did grow up in seattle after all), i instinctively denounced all my prior hip-hop albums. i did not listen to it for years. why would i want to listen to t!
 his horrible mainstream media fed, brainwashing music about sex, drugs, and more sex? that is where i think i lost sight on the reason why we listen to music. some hip-hop is fun. some of it is really good. a lot of it is really bad, but if you take the time to listen, you can make your whole music experience so much more fulfilled. there is even good country music which if i heard myself say that six years ago, i would have jumped off a bridge in shame. maybe by dismissing the "emo" scene, this man is missing out on what could be his favorite band ever. oh well, his loss. i just have a hard time lumping a whole scene into one category and denouncing it. 

if i understand what emo is then what makes a band emo? 

every "emo" kid i know likes b&s, for that matter, they like joy division too. i am not saying that joy division is emo, ian curtis r.i.p., but if enough people for a sub group of a larger culture like a band, is that enough to revamp their status as possibly emo-isk (and or any other scene you would like to insert here), and thus a integral part of that sub group, alas making them the shamed emo? help help help. i know that this is ramble-ly, and i apologize, i just want to see what you think, and i did not have enough time to write an essay on why i think the labeling of music is a shameful practice, yet one that is addictive and helpful at the same time. maybe after you respond i will. 

oh and mr. tony, the esteemed b&s fan on friendster who this poorly worded and overly philosophical (or underly as some might view it) post is about is on this list, please respond. i would love to hear your remarks.

tammy.
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From amulet372 at xxx.com  Sun Aug 17 19:38:50 2003
From: amulet372 at xxx.com (colleen sieber)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 11:38:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Content  and questions up the wazoo
Message-ID: <20030817183850.20294.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Sinister-ians,

          Howdy.I'm a long time lurker but now I need
the benefit of your knowledge. I'm quaking  with
excitement for the NYC concert on Tuesday. I'm
planning to head up with some friends on Tuesday from
Philly  but I'm not sure how early  we should get
there . Is 10 am too early or do you think the park
will already be crawling with B&S fans? Also, does
anyone know if they'll have seats set up in front of
the bandshell or if it's all standing room ? I've
checked the Celebrate Brooklyn website but it didn't
say what the set-up was for benefit concerts. And
finally any advice on where to park would be
appreciated. 

This will be my second B&S concert (the first was last
year in Philly).My song wish list :

Dog on Wheels
Century of Fakers
There's Too Much Love
The Loneliness of a Middle-Distance Runner
I Know Where the Summer Goes  

Any of those would make me weep with happiness.The
Philly show last year rocked my ass off, so I have
high expectations for the NYC show.See you there and
thanks in advance for any information about the venue.

                                  Colleen 

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but all i can think of is
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and everything else is a black and boring bruise...
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From stoutrobin at xxx.com  Mon Aug 18 18:42:03 2003
From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:42:03 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Tony at the back of the gym
Message-ID: <BAY7-F29Rmv6suHmWrG00017da1@hotmail.com>

Tamra told us about Tony:

<<i made a very very poor argument that belle and sebastian are a
"emo-isk" band, and therefore liking them, he had emo in his
blood, and was just in denial about it. so, i started a war.>>

I think you should tell Tony that Belle and Sebastian are an "esk-imo" band. 
That'll confuse him.

<<question one.
what french movie that came out in 1975 did some of the lyrics from
"the state i am in" come from. if i am dumb because i do not know this,
so be it. i am dumb. i jokingly used the line "i was happy for a day in
1975" to prove that b&s was "emo." emphasis on jokingly. oh dear. he
quickly trashed my status as a fan of b&s because i did not know this 
fact.>>

I don't know the answer to this question. I reckon Tony's having you on. I 
asked our friend the reference fox (http://www.fineran.demon.co.uk/basrefs/) 
because i figured that if anyone would know then he would, but he didn't. He 
has plenty of stuff to baffle this Tony with, though, if you have a look. 
Did you know that Sleep the Clock Around is mentioned in The Voyage of the 
Dawn Treader by CS Lewis? Or that the crippled friend in The State I Am In 
is actually Stanley, the third brother of The Proclaimers, who was beaten up 
by the other two when he was caught wearing contact lenses? Or that Elvis in 
A Century of Elvis is actually a stick of broccoli? It's all true!*

<<question two.
what is your definition of emo, twee, and or any other hip music category
that you might be able to help me define. all i know is weezer is emo,
b&s is twee, and modest mouse is indie. what is used to define these
placements, and is there a hierarchy?
>>

Belle and Sebastian are not twee, they R!O!C!K! If you need any proof of 
this just ask Mr Mark Casarotto if they are twee and he will show you how 
much they rock with a bunch of fives.

The other day I went to the Civil Service Sports Day to represent my office 
in the three-legged race. It was a hot day and on the way back the car that 
I was in began to overheat, so our driver, Pete, decided to call the RAC. By 
the time the car had been mended it was getting late and I was worried that 
Pete was going to fall asleep at the wheel, so I suggested a singalong. 
After singing Downtown, Bohemian Rhapsody, The Bare Necessities and the 
complete works of Bonnie Tyler, we began doing a few solos and, naturally, I 
got around to Belle and Sebastian. The thing is, after I'd sung a couple it 
occurred to me that most belle and sebastian songs are pretty serious stuff, 
and not the type of happy fare to cheer up a car of tired sweaty men in 
shorts on the lumpy back seat of a ford escort. I thought of all the B+S 
songs I know, and what they're about - loneliness, murder, suicide, rape, 
bullying, mental illness, war, broken relationships - and decided they 
weren't appropriate at all. So we sang The Bare Necessities again.

#
You eat ants!?
You better believe it, and you're gonna love the way they tickle!
The bare necessities of life will come to you..
They'll come to you..
#


My dictionary defines "twee" as a derogatory term: "excessively sentimental, 
sweet or pretty".
I wouldn't call Belle and Sebastian twee.

Forcing bands into music types is always a bit of a dud. I think that B+S 
would call themselves "indie", but everyone has a different idea of what 
indie actually means.

When I think of emo-hop I think of Archel, and rifling through my filing 
cabinet marked The Truth the World Cannot Handle I found these wise words of 
hers:
http://www.missprint.org/sinister/mhonarc/200204/msg00154.html

If Tony keeps arguing with you we'll come over and beat him up. Bang on the 
teeth, he'll be out for a week.

+++

The latest news on the album comes courtesy of a practically illiterate 
article from Pitchfork (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/). It sounds like Dear 
Catastrophe Waitress will be released on October 7th. More interesting is 
the accompanying photograph (ooh!!) of three smiling (catastrophe) 
waitresses...

Bye folks, and don't forget to keep your fireworks in a biscuit tin.

R x



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From dirtyvicar at xxx.net  Tue Aug 19 22:22:03 2003
From: dirtyvicar at xxx.net (Dirty Vicar)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:22:03 +0100
Subject: Sinister: a chara - FAP?
Message-ID: <BB6851FC.81EF%dirtyvicar@eircom.net>

hello Sinister,

blah blah I've been neglecting you lately etc. And now, after a sordid
weekend in Amsterdam with the *other* B&S fans, I'm crawling back to your
hopefully forgiving embrace.

sadly I don't really have to much to report, apart from the usual things
people say about being too busy to post much etc. However, I do have one
piece of actual NEWS, viz that Sinister's very own The Pinefox is paying a
visit to Dublin, and if you fancy meeting him you should make your way to
the upstairs lounge of the Lord Edward across the road from Christchurch at
8.00pm on thursday evening, where he, some people from the Dublin chapter of
I-Love-Everything, and I will be drinking beers and stuff and discussing
whether James Joyce would be able to take on Flann O'Brien in a FITE.

Other than that, nothing really. I agree with Mark C that tweeness is not a
state to which people should aspire. To all the other people to whom I owe
mails - you will have to wait just a little bit longer.

bless you all,

DV

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From dancatjess at xxx.com  Wed Aug 20 20:57:53 2003
From: dancatjess at xxx.com (Emma Cooper)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:57:53 +0100
Subject: Sinister: REGULAR OCCURANCE IN THE PAST WEEK
Message-ID: <BAY2-DAV32LltmuxcCh0003a635@hotmail.com>

person: so did you get your a-level results on thursday?
emma : yes
person: so...how did you do?
emma : ok
person: what did you get?
emma: bbc
person : oh....thats good....are you pleased?
emma: umm........yes........it'll do
person : ............
emma : how did you do?
person : oh i got 5 zillion A*'s even though thats impossible and now i'm
going to go to oxford and cambridge at the same time and be a better person
than you ( sweetly smiles)
emma : right well......well done

i just got back from a gig, i was cycling past my neighbor's house today
when i hear progessive rock coming from the garage, now i knew a boy there
years ago so i go in and chat to him, he's playing a gig tonight in
manchester with this band and i happen to be in manchester tonight visiting
friends but it might finish early so i might go see them, the visiting
finishes early and i go see them, they're ok,potential but making mistakes
and not brilliant balance, and the other bands are ok, one was like busted
and another was a bit better but not inspiring, anyway i meet all his
friends and its great meeting loads of new people and making friends with
them (even if they are all from much posher schools than me), they gave me a
lift home and i've been offered a gig with another band in a month which i
might do so all in all a good  night with no punctuation

Hope everyone's happy with all their exam results.
Emma
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From rclander at xxx.com  Wed Aug 20 08:14:13 2003
From: rclander at xxx.com (Richard Lander)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:14:13 +0800
Subject: Sinister: NME
Message-ID: <000c01c366ea$aa076e60$0302a8c0@ibmg6snbjaelz4>

So here is the info...
http://www.nme.com/news/105909.htm

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From jpayne at xxx.org  Wed Aug 20 19:07:59 2003
From: jpayne at xxx.org (Jenny Payne)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:07:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Sinister: your knowledge is needed. 
In-Reply-To: <20030817054910.DA8EB3DE8@xmxpita.excite.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0308201339360.13012-100000@franklin.wrl.org>

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003, Tamra  Ann Thomas wrote:
> what is your definition of emo, twee, and or any other hip music 
> category that you might be able to help me define. all i know is weezer 
> is emo, b&s is twee, and modest mouse is indie. what is used to define 
> these placements, and is there a hierarchy? 

Hmm.  B&S are twee?  I guess some songs could be considered that.  The 
most accurate descriptions of B&S's style that I've come across (IMHO) are 
'baroque pop' and 'chamber pop,' which generally refer to bands who 
include some sort of orchestral instruments.  Other examples being The 
Ladybug Transistor, The Hidden Cameras, and Tindersticks.

I usually think of 'twee' as bands that are sticky sweet, with lots of 'ba 
ba ba's' and 'la la la's.'  They're lighthearted and usually have somewhat 
shallow, but positive, lyrics.  I'd consider bands like The Free Design, 
Kissing Book, and The Shermans to be 'twee.'  Oh, and Photo Jenny, whom 
obviously must have taken their name from the B&S song.  I haven't seen an 
actual recording, but from what I've heard, I'm guessing they are 
Japanese.

The whole 'emo' thing has me confused.  Is it the same as 'shoegazer'-type 
music?  I think the two generally involve wallflower-esque individuals who 
are clinically depressed and/or generally unhappy with the world.  hehe  
Someone clue me in and give me band examples!

:: :: ::

Part of my 'summer vacation' was a trip up north to Ohio for a cousin's 
wedding.  At one point, I was lost in a Hyde Park neighborhood in 
Cincinnati and among all the Colonials and Tudors stood THIS house:

http://www.coping.org/travels/cincy/arch9.jpg
http://www.coping.org/travels/cincy/arch10.jpg

Those pictures actually do it no justice... it's amazing - with all colors 
of stained glass in that front 'room' that juts out, each handmade 
rounded-metal red stair, the multicolored platform that the beehive 
structure rests on, and the funky porthole windows.  I was in awe.

:: :: ::

How's attendance going for the DC meetup, Kim?  Here's info. on my 
friend's DJ set that's happening that evening:

Saturday 9/6 - "The Wag" - Black Cat (backstage)
guest DJ Sally-Go-Round
10 p.m. - 11 p.m. plus a possible shorter set later in the evening

She says:
"This'll be a 60's girl groups, female pop singers, girls in the garage 
rockers, and soul sistahs extravaganza!"

Solid!
Jenny

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From mark.hester at xxx.com  Wed Aug 20 19:05:43 2003
From: mark.hester at xxx.com (Mark Hester)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Andy James drives a bus for the lonely
Message-ID: <20030820180544.1539.h026.c000.wm@mail.nme.com.criticalpath.net>

Hi everyone,

At my work we have a Java tool for putting content on our website.  As the web
host is in America and we're in England, it's called Content Across the Sea, or
CATS for short, which has to be the twee-est* name for a piece of software ever. 

And the message that comes up while we're waiting for things to work is "Loading
The Tree of Content", which sounds like a Felt album title.

Talking of album titles.....
Dear Catastrophe Waitress.  DICKSWAY, perhaps?

I actually shared a house with a girl who was a Catastrophe Waitress.  Well, she
had waited at tables in restaurants on both sides of the Atlantic, and had her
fair share of mishaps.  In fact, when we were driving along Interstate
whatever-it-was between Houston and Austin, TX she pointed out the restaurant
where she had tripped and sent a huge tray of food catapulting against the wall. 
There was still a big stain on the wall to commemorate the event.  I'm not quite
sure what element of Tex Mex cuisine has this staining power - the refried
beans, maybe.

How Does It Feel on Friday was excellent as ever, Shirley and Samanthi from
Spearmint DJd (I've obviously missed something here, Spearmint were an all male
ensemble when I saw them play in Oxford), Ian W was busy with his camera and I
got captured on film yet again, other sinisterines present included Stefano and
Feather Boa and her friend Stuart (no, not *that* Stuart) from the ysm -
apparently Sam Walton (yeah) was unable to make it as he was "too p**sed". 
Stefano was able to give me some more details about his gig at the end of the
month, including where it was...the Arts Café is quite close to the Spitz,
apparently.  On the way home we had to cope with the de rigeur approaches from
taxi drivers with their vastly inflated fares.  £30 to travel five miles, I ask
you?  


Then on Saturday I went to Bela London's  21st birthday do...she was on sinister
a long time ago and posted exactly twice.  Looky here, there's proof:

http://www.mail-archive.com/sinister at majordomo.net/2000-month-08/msg00258.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/sinister at majordomo.net/2000-month-08/msg00328.html

....though she never did make it to that Oxford picnic, so forewent the
opportunity to feed Build-a-burger to the ducks.

Bela is one half of another b&s related transatlantic married couple...see it's
not just the Appses, although this match came courtesy of - whisper it...the
*other* chatroom.

The evening was notable for us being moved from our table "to make room for the
band", which was a jazz band and we were sufficiently huffy about it to move to
a different bar completely and en route I had the misfortune (or fortune,
depending on which way you look at it) to be groped by an "old" woman whom I
think was part of a hen party who were walking in the opposite direction.  Not
sure about the necessity of my quotes, but she did have white hair.....

GRATE** news about there being another Tigermilking.  Not to be outdone, Oxford
now has its own b&s-related club nite, called ROLLERCOASTER.  I missed the first
one but the second one is this Friday, the 22nd (yay!).  It's at the legendary
Jericho (formerly Jericho Tavern), and someone from my work is helping to run
it.  The only mention of it online I can find is here:

http://www.dailyinformation.co.uk

....and with all these night-time bus trips to London I make these days, it'd be
nice to see some people coming in the *other* direction (hint!).  Look, it only
costs a quid these days (well, sort of):

http://www.megabus.com

...complete with cheery, chubby driver - although I have yet to find out if he
has pink carpet on the sliding door.

Bye for now,
Mark.

 
 
 

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From mark.hester at xxx.com  Wed Aug 20 19:53:48 2003
From: mark.hester at xxx.com (Mark Hester)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:53:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: getting points for swearing
Message-ID: <20030820185348.27234.h025.c000.wm@mail.nme.com.criticalpath.net>

...oops, somehow managed to neglect to copy and paste the legend/key/whatever
into my last post.  So, for those who are scratching their heads, it was:
 
* with apologies to Mark C
** This is dying out it seems....REVIVE!
 
and for those of you who read this post first, the above will make no sense
whatsoever.

And if anyone who thinks that I must be the staidest person ever for asterisking
out "pissed" I'd better point out that we have another piece of software at work
which bounces back any emails with what it feels is "inappropriate content" and
I'd written that e-mail at work and forwarded it to my nme address.  The weird
thing is that it actually awards points to words on the basis of how strong it
thinks they are.  Which means we can have swearing competitions heh heh.  The
crazy world of commerce.

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From blind_lisa at xxx.com  Wed Aug 20 20:06:15 2003
From: blind_lisa at xxx.com (Rachel fruitloop-Apps)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:06:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: BERKELEY and LA MEET UPs!
Message-ID: <20030820190615.20802.qmail@web9301.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Kids!

I want to share my excitement with y'all about the upcoming Belle &
Sebastian gigs here in Califor-ni-a! 
HERE WE GO!!! WHOOOO! YIPPEEEEEE! AOWWWWWWW! YEEEHAWWW! HOORAHHH!

***BERKELEY MEET UP!!! BERKELEY MEET UP!!! BERKELEY MEET UP!!!***

Early Friday, Ben and I are leaving on a jet plane to the SF Bay
area. Ian Rivamonte and I have been having a bit of a discussion
about where we might have a Sinister pre-show gathering.  Ian had a
wonderful idea. Let's all meet at the International House Cafe in
Berkeley.� It's on 2299 Piedmont Ave. in Berkeley.� It has coffee and
food and it's really, really close to the Greek.� So, convenience and
all that is met by meeting there.� We can chat, have coffee, meet and
greet, and spin with a grin.
Here's a link for more info:
http://ias.berkeley.edu/ihouse/i/visitor.html
Let's say 5:30 pm just to be safe.� The ticket says show starts at
7:30 p.m. so that should give us enough time to chat, eat, get to
know each other, and then trek on over to get great spots in the
front (Well, for those of you who can!)

***LA MEET UP!!! LA MEET UP!!! LA MEET UP!!!***

>From 4:30pm Sunday.

Go just past the Greek Theatre on N. Vermont and beyond the parking 
lot on the left is a field. That's where we'll be. Bring snacks or
whatever you'd like to have. I'll bring my B&S playing cards. Ben may
even bring out the mini cricket set!


***LA TREASURE HUNT!!! LA TREASURE HUNT!!! LA TREASURE HUNT!!!***

A fine fellow named Peter Crooks and I were chosen to be the Los
Angeles Treasure Troopers for the B&S treasure hunt. The clues are
going to be published in the LA Weekly tomorrow.  If you are in the
LA area, I suggest that you go for the gold. I nearly kept the prizes
for myself, but that would be unsportsman-like conduct.  I'd surely
get a red-card for it!  But trust me, the treasure is fantastic!

I may be looking for another LA ticket, so if any of you have extras
you'd like to sell, please email me.

I hope to see a whole lot of you soon!
love,
Rachel fruitloop-Apps


P.S.I liked the suggestion that MARIANNA LONGMIRE is the new KEN CHU.
 But MARIANNA LONGMIRE is much harder to make into punny lyrics...
CHU DON'T KEN'D ME. See, that's so easy! I'll have to work on
Marianna ones...


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From Maddalo at xxx.com  Wed Aug 20 20:46:36 2003
From: Maddalo at xxx.com (Maddalo at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:46:36 -0400
Subject: Sinister: definitions etc
Message-ID: <15321364.09B5837E.00182CC6@aol.com>

hi, i'm emerging from perennial lurkerdom just to say a few words.

i've never been sure what emo / twee / etc are.  but then again i am weirded out by people who insist on these quasi-teutonic classifcations for music.  and i always get chided by my friends with REAL indie street-cred for saying that.  (because they think it's totally justifiable to say, "oh yeah, this is post-punk ska with a little disco influence" etc.)

i think the best description of b&s was "sunny pop with rainy lyrics" but i can't remember where that came from.  a review somewhere?  maybe somebody knows.

and why isn't anybody talking about the brooklyn concert last night?  i only got to hear the last 5 or 6 songs (from "judy and the dream of horses" onward) because i was trapped at a rehearsal in manhattan.  so i was hoping somebody would fill me in on what else they played, etc.

xo
peter

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From Maddalo at xxx.com  Wed Aug 20 20:46:43 2003
From: Maddalo at xxx.com (Maddalo at xxx.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:46:43 -0400
Subject: Sinister: definitions etc
Message-ID: <216F39E1.0105A7EE.00182CC6@aol.com>

hi, i'm emerging from perennial lurkerdom just to say a few words.

i've never been sure what emo / twee / etc are.  but then again i am weirded out by people who insist on these quasi-teutonic classifcations for music.  and i always get chided by my friends with REAL indie street-cred for saying that.  (because they think it's totally justifiable to say, "oh yeah, this is post-punk ska with a little disco influence" etc.)

i think the best description of b&s was "sunny pop with rainy lyrics" but i can't remember where that came from.  a review somewhere?  maybe somebody knows.

and why isn't anybody talking about the brooklyn concert last night?  i only got to hear the last 5 or 6 songs (from "judy and the dream of horses" onward) because i was trapped at a rehearsal in manhattan.  so i was hoping somebody would fill me in on what else they played, etc.

xo
peter

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From meow_zzz at xxx.com  Thu Aug 21 04:51:27 2003
From: meow_zzz at xxx.com (michelle)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:51:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: and besides this there are lots of people complaining about Pete Yorn...
Message-ID: <20030821035127.56560.qmail@web80510.mail.yahoo.com>

Good evening sinister, 

I've only written once before to say hello and then
ran away too soon, though I read mostly every post!
Really, I do! Now I'm saying hello again, but also
thought I'd share something too:

I just finished reading the latest copy of Magnet(no
not the one that you had to read to keep yourself
occupied as I nursed my hangover into far too late
hours of the afternoon, mmm skyscraper!) and for
anyone who has not had the chance to read it yet,
Belle and Sebastian take home #5 of the top 60 albums
of 1993-2003 for 'If You're Feeling Sinister'. There
is a write up that goes along with it and I thought
I'd share in case anyone was interested in some late
night/ early morning reading. here goes!

" With a wink, a sigh and a bucketful of gallows
humor, these six Glaswegians coaxed a small army of
wilting intellects away from their dogeared copies of
Baudrillard and back into the record stores. If You're
Feeling Sinister�was such an epoch-marker that other
pop-culture zeitgeists can be traced directly back to
it: an upswing in Nick Drake album sales, the quiet is
the new loud phenomenon, cardigan sweaters. This was
no small feat for a band that went to great lengths to
shield itself from the public eye, politely shunning
interviews and photo shoots.

�Yet what remains so compelling about Sinister is that
it has none of the cliches that would come to typify
its imitators. Stuart Murdoch's characters are neither
timid nor frail. They're restless and horny and
pissed-off, flipping fingers at the loutish football
hooligans clogging the local pub. Other twee twerps
are all flinches and shivers, but Belle and Sebastian
has nothing but confidence-the kind of big-balled,
brawny braggadocio that comes from knowing, beyond a
shadow of a doubt, that everyone else is beneath you. 

Even the tracks that lay bare� Murdoch's sad-angel
voice ("The Fox in the Snow," "The Boy Done Wrong
Again") feel like comforts rather than complaints. The
songs possess an elegance that is almost baroque,
ornamented with stately strings and gilded with
glittering piano. Combined with Murdoch's earthy
humor, Sinister effortlessly manages the same marriage
of cunning and class as Voltaire and Swift. "Nobody
writes 'em like they use to," Murdoch brags regarding
pop songs, "so it may as well be me." And for one full
record, that's exactly what he did." (JEK) Magnet
Sep/Oct 2003 pg.82

If at least one person enjoyed reading this, then
these little�hands being all tired now are worth it!
Have a lovely rest of the night wherever you may find
yourself. Me? I'm going to watch "I Am Trying to Break
Your Heart" for the 700th time. It's like a sickness
really.

michelle

"My mind is filled with silvery stuff
Honey kisses, clouds of fluff
Shoulders shrugging off
My mind is filled with radio cures
Electronic surgical words
Oh, distance has no way of making love
understandable..."





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From jayeckard at xxx.com  Thu Aug 21 05:24:17 2003
From: jayeckard at xxx.com (Jay Eckard)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 04:24:17 +0000
Subject: Sinister: As requested
Message-ID: <Law11-F203CH1sweiH80006b441@hotmail.com>

My Sinister Lovelies.

  Well, my goodness, I hope all you lovely children who were lucky enough to 
be in New York enjoyed the show. As far as I'm concerned, if you /were/ in 
the Tri-State area, you had no real reason not to be there. Thirty-five 
dollars notwithstanding, really.
  The show was as lovely as a thing that is fuzzy and lovely. I was most 
impressed by the sound quality. It was quite good -- even more so, as the 
system tried to silence Ben Kweller. Everyone was in top form, blah, blah, 
blah. There was the introduction of people who won the Treasure Hunt and the 
people who ran the Treasure Hunt. The Mets were discussed. (I do not support 
or denegrate this sports team. I merely report.) Hooligans tried to break 
in. Bubbles were blown. Miss Laura Llew fel in love with gayboy. I even 
noticed people were smoking the marijuana (!) People (not me) drank 
overpriced beer and (this I did do) buy overppriced marchandise.

They played:

         Fuck this Shit (see! Cursing! Sod sod sod! By Jingo!)
         Expectations
         Dirty Dream No 2
         Step into my Office Baby
         Like Dylan in the Movies
         Women's Realm (Go Sarah!)
         Don't Leave the Light On, Baby
         If You Find Yourself Caught in Love...
         Scooby Driver
         The Boy with the Arab Strap
         There's Too Much Love
         String Bean Jean
         Jonathan David
         Sleep the Clock Around
         Judy and the Dream of Horses (request #3 from Treasure Hunter 
Winners who didn't get 1 or 2)

         The Encore was
             A Burt Bacharach song
             Dog on Wheels

  I was quite proud of myself: my pen died after "Step into My Office" so I 
tried writing it all down anyway and recovering it with a pencil (just like 
a spy!).
  It really was a fine show: perfect weather, good music AND I got to spend 
it with Cheesybun Eric and Miss Laura Llew! I'd be more critickal (As this 
IS my job an all) but I'm faired poofed from my recent endevours and shall 
try to later.

  How did the picnic go?
--
"The Posby falls into a Trance
In which it does a little Dance."
                     Edward Gorey

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From heartxdan at xxx.com  Thu Aug 21 10:19:33 2003
From: heartxdan at xxx.com (elizabeth trawick)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 02:19:33 -0700
Subject: Sinister: you know i love you
Message-ID: <Law9-F370Dll7fnp3eE00049084@hotmail.com>

Hi all.

It's getting to be that time of the morning where every time i move my head 
too fast things get blurred and it takes a while for my eyes to focus again. 
  Also I've noticed that at times like this it's hard for me to have good 
coordination, as well as clear thinking...

But ah, I have Belle and Sebastian and they are keeping me sane for the time 
being.

In all honesty, I wish I could've just packed up and been off to New York to 
see the band.  That would've been absolutely wonderful...  I'm sad to have 
missed it.

Someone asked me tonight if I ever felt as if I wasn't good enough and/or 
that wonder why people like me?  I answered yes, of course, as most people I 
think would.  Really, though, I think I only wonder why certain people like 
me...  I wonder, mostly, why I like -them-.

I guess that sounds pretty lame.  It seems like the world around me is 
unfolding.  I'm finding out more and more people I know have cancer or a 
tumor...  Terminal or not, it's a very scary situation and it's hit close to 
home twice but I was too young to realise what was really happening.  But 
now I know and it's hitting me really hard...  What can you do for comfort 
in these situations?  How do you comfort the friend?

On the other hand, there's boys.  I think that word 'boy' in the word 'boys' 
says it all.

Okay, now I really am getting extremely deliriously tired.

Pardon my seemingly dull/pointless post.  My excuse is that I am very tired. 
  Please forgive me.

xox
Elizabeth

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From stoutrobin at xxx.com  Thu Aug 21 10:38:03 2003
From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:38:03 +0000
Subject: Sinister: If I were an animal I would not be a mouse I would be a HAMPSTER - GRRR!
Message-ID: <BAY7-F120M5waAPMJKB000213d5@hotmail.com>

Jay is poofed? Well there's a thing!

I've often suspected that somewhere out there are a panel of 
super-intelligent lurkers, who sit licking their pencils and scribbling 
notes while they listen to our sinister nonsense, only rarely pushing back 
their chairs to make a sharp-as-paper comment that leaves us all awestruck, 
then sit down again.

These suspicions were confirmed when, looking through my inbox, i found an 
email from one Robin Stout that attempted to be an explanation of why Belle 
and Sebastian aren't twee, but deteriorated into a story about when he went 
to Sports Day and his car broke down. This example of below-average 
intelligence was followed by;

Peter, who pondered:

<< i've never been sure what emo / twee / etc are.  but then again i am 
weirded
out by people who insist on these quasi-teutonic classifcations for music.
and i always get chided by my friends with REAL indie street-cred for
saying that.  (because they think it's totally justifiable to say, "oh
yeah, this is post-punk ska with a little disco influence" etc.)

i think the best description of b&s was "sunny pop with rainy
lyrics" but i can't remember where that came from. >>

Perfect, succinct. A thousand heads nod as one.

and Michelle, who quoted:

<< "Yet what remains so compelling about Sinister is that
it has none of the cliches that would come to typify
its imitators. Stuart Murdoch's characters are neither
timid nor frail. They're restless and horny and
pissed-off, flipping fingers at the loutish football
hooligans clogging the local pub. Other twee twerps
are all flinches and shivers, but Belle and Sebastian
has nothing but confidence-the kind of big-balled,
brawny braggadocio that comes from knowing, beyond a
shadow of a doubt, that everyone else is beneath you." >>

And i think that that just about hits the mark, too. Good to have you both 
with us, Peter and Michelle. I hope you're not going to put down your 
pencils just yet. Thanks for the article, Michelle. I'm not sure that I know 
what Magnet is, exactly. Magnet is a furniture shop, non? Seems strange that 
they should review records in their furniture catalogue, but it's a funny 
world.

The only other thing I have to say on the subject of twee is that I can 
never understand how people who are big fans of Belle and Sebastian can 
still misunderstand how un-twee many of their songs are. Someone told me 
once that they used to listen to them a lot, but they've got no time for 
happy pop songs anymore. I couldn't understand this. Some of their songs are 
the saddest songs I've ever heard.

+++

I'm getting into internet radio. Not only does it give me Lauren Laverne 
every morning it let me hear a Tender Trap song called "Friendster" and 
Darren "Hefner" Hayman's new band The French. Thinking of these two bands, 
something occurred to me. Maybe Belle and Sebastian should split up. Stuart 
Murdoch should form another band with a funny name. They would have a 
different sound, a different direction, but the same intelligence and 
panache. I would quite like this. Is this dangerous talk?

+++

I wish I lived in California. Not because of any concerts, really, I just 
wish I lived there.

Robin x



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From kenneth.chu at xxx.org  Thu Aug 21 10:38:27 2003
From: kenneth.chu at xxx.org (kenneth.chu at xxx.org)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:38:27 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Wrapped up in boobs
Message-ID: <UCLH9D17C3BDDEAFD311AFD100508B5C529F0D762525@uclh.org>

Hello kids,

Wow check out all the picnic happenings in America!  10 picnics in 10 days!
Or something!  Lots, anyway!  How fun!  10 posts for each too, woo!
*massages the shoulders of his inbox*

---

My favourite post about the US picnics is the one about the "MIDATLANTIC
PICNIC CORRECTION"

Kim girton said:
> With special thanks to Lisa, who pointed out that my geography is off and 
> the CORRECT METRO STATION TO ARRIVE AT FOR THE SEPTEMBER 
> 6th PICNIC IS THE CLEVELAND PARK METRO.


And there i was thinking the MIDATLANTIC PICNIC would happen in the MIDDLE
OF ATLANTIC!!!!  How exciting that would be!  A load of sinisters on a
cruise boat, playing BINGO, the announcer would go...

<announcer> 2 and a 2, a pair of ducks 22!
<sinisters> quack quack quack quack. lol.

Because that's what you have to do in bingo, and also whistle in a sexual
way whenever it's 11, cos that's a pair of legs, and go "yummmm" when it's
21, cos it's a duck's leg.

<announcer> 8 and a 5, it's B+S 85!!
<sinisters> *whistles boy with the arab strap


So yeah, I hope someone will organise a sinister boat cruise one day
(actually someone already had once I think going from Scotland to Ireland to
follow B&S gig movements - it's dedication!).  Or, just as good, a sinister
lodging weekend, preferably at the "Pine Lake" where there are wee ducks
walking around and running away and also it's close to TRUCKHAVEN.  The
only, and best truck haven on the M6.

http://www.transportcafe.co.uk/carnforth.html

Check out their perfect FISH and perfect CHIPS and ROBOTIC CLEANER!  Woah.

---

The London contingent of Red Bull Dozer's set up last Friday have sampled
the delights that is TRUCK HAVEN.  And i must say it was delightful, and the
food, and the mayo too, mmmm it makes me want to lick it all up sexually.
And they sell the best thing in the world which is the PORTABLE OVEN FOR
TRUCKS that is a oven that you can plug into your truck's cigarette lighter
slot!!!!  Wow!  Imagine that...

<trucker A> alright, 10-4, you mean you're REALLY baking a cake inside your
truck and not just talking in euphemisms??
<trucker B> 10-4, yeah!  Thanks to PORTABLE OVEN FOR TRUCKS
<trucker C> 10-4, that rocks.  What's the 10-20 of the place that sells it?
<trucker B> 10-4, TRUCK HAVEN in Carnforth!
<trucker A+C> 10-4, yeehaw!


And then yeah, soon after (soon after as in after getting lost, screaming
for an hour, couple of cartripes through the traffic chaos of Glasgow
later), the Red Bull Dozers were on stage!  At the Winchester Club!  With
camera obscura's bass!!  And all!  And didn't we use it well.  Oh yes.

There were quite a few "moments" during that gig but quite frankly if you'd
missed it, you've missed out!  Rock and Roll.  And also the ELECTROLUVS were
on too and they were good and i heard their frontman is a bit of a hit with
the ladies too!

Thanks to the Winchester Club for letting us play and those who saw us at
the Winchester Club and didn't run away!

---

And then we were in Glasgow the next day, wanting to play baseball but the
girls got sidetracked to STALKING STEVIE JACKSON!  And SUCCEEDED!  On
Bucchanan Street, now we even know Stevie Jackson's Pin code for his cash
card (or we would, had the eyes not been blinded by how many DIGITS there
were on his bank balance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

And then we were to play bingo, in a pub, but after buying a bingo sheet we
realised that we had no idea how to play, how soon we learnt though.

ALGORITHM FOR BINGO PLAYING
-----------------------------------------------------
1. Wait for announcer to say a number
2. If number is
    22 -> say "quack quack quack quack"
    11 -> whistle seductively
    88 -> say "yeeeerk, 2 fat ladies eeew"
    others -> at random intervals, shout "HOUSE"
3. If other players shout "HOUSE", shout "WANKERS", and boo.
4. If you were the one who shouted "HOUSE" and others shouted "WANKERS",
shout "NEEEERRRR"
5. If you're not a scary glaswegien, head for the nearest exit now.

Which was what we've done.

---

So yeah.  On our way home from Glasgow we went to the prettiest service
station on the M6 (Westmorland), and then of course, TRUCK HAVEN!  Again,
mmmmm, Truckhaven.

Ken x 
P.S.: TRUCKHAVEN


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From paulo_stinsoni at xxx.com  Thu Aug 21 12:58:40 2003
From: paulo_stinsoni at xxx.com (Paulo Stinsoni)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:58:40 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Sticking my twee oar in
Message-ID: <Law9-F120FaU9dCoY5D0007385b@hotmail.com>

Ah my lovelies, my sweet cherubic lovlies,

I remember the good old twee days, the Inspiral Carpet fans wore their "Cool 
as Fuck" badges, and we wore our "Twee as Fuck" ones.  "The Field Mice" 
drifted in and out of our minds with beautiful "Emma's House" adn "When 
morning comes to town".  Tallulah Gosh spat out "Beatnik boy" to their sharp 
twangy guitars, and the Pastels slapped on the twee with "Truck, train, 
tractor".  I can list more - The Fat Tulips, The Haywaines, The Shop 
Assistants.  All wonderful.  All wonderfully twee.

I lost it all.  Britpop swallowed up all the tweeness with snarls and rock 
guitar, but there's no other way, according to Blur.  All I was left with 
was the shadows of memories.  All those flexis, all those compilation tapes, 
all those fanzines, all of my teanage life.

In 1999 I was working in Ware, fairly near London, and I had been in email 
communicatiion with the sister of a friend at work.  Her name was Sarah.

Sarah was at London Uni at the time, and invited me over for a drink.  She 
was a beautiful girl.  She had the voice of an angel, was so charming, and 
witty in her emails, I was struck down with this awesome girl.  I found it 
so difficult not to say stupid stuff when with her, because I was so 
overcome.

She let me sleep on her bed with her.  We didn't "do" anything.  I couldn't 
spoil her perfectness with my oafish body.  She was so perfect.

She played "The Boy with the Arab Strap".  The first time I ever herad Belle 
and Sebastian.

The hairs rose on the back of my neck, tears welled in my eyes.  When "Is it 
wicked not to care" came on I was in raptures.  It is soooo twee.  It gave 
me back my teanage life.  I felt so good, and yet so awful inside, as I know 
you can't bring back all those things, it will never happen.

Sarah found someone else at Uni.  I live over 200 miles away anyway.  But 
she gave me Belle and Sebastian.

I bought everything of theirs after that.

I'm all sad now.

Still, I have my Belle and Sebastian collection.  They'll talk to me.  
They'll bring me round.  And I have you Sinisterators too.

Love, twee and biscuits

Paul.

PS - For my birthday (it was 9th August, in case you want to put it in your 
diary for next year) a friend of mine put together a CD of the stuff I used 
to listen to, with Tallulah Gosh, Field Mice, Heavenly, Sea Urchins etc.  If 
you really want to feel the twee, send me a mail, and I'll do you a tape.

PPS - Dirty Vicar - I haven't forgotton that I promised you some Strawberry 
Story too, I still have your email, and I'll sort it out when I've finished 
decorating.

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From kmhyde at xxx.edu  Thu Aug 21 14:36:49 2003
From: kmhyde at xxx.edu (Kevin Hyde)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:36:49 -0400
Subject: Sinister: 'stay loose' song review, ft. "mozzeresque revenge fantasies"
Message-ID: <000c01c367e9$45cbc950$8076ef80@development.wm.edu>

Hi sinisterines and -ettes, 


This was on Pitchfork today:

Belle & Sebastian: "Stay Loose"
So whoulda thought it, but Belle & Sebastian have gone and made one of
the most offbeat, punchdrunk pop records so far this year-- one that
bears little resemblence to the literate wallflower wish fulfillment and
Mozzeresque revenge fantasies they've established as a signature. On
early inspection, the band has chucked its recent fascination with
Northern Soul pastiche in favor of a delicate mix of craft (six years
ago, who'd have thought that word would used to describe Belle &
Sebastian?) and quirk. The result is in parts reminiscent of 10cc's
irreverent pop, post-Bubblegum 70s soft rock, and the eclecticism of
Andrew Loog Oldham's Immediate label.
The assured hand of producer Trevor Horn must have helped. His dexterity
is felt strongest on the near seven-minute album closer "Stay Loose", in
which B&S take a dreadlock holiday through the echo chamber, have a
conversation with a helpful cornflake, and skip through musical styles
like a Scottish Super Furry Animals. It's either genius or madness but
after years of mostly missteps, I'm once again slowly leaning to the
former. -- Scott Plagenhoef



I'm sure some of you have probably already seen it, but I figured there
also *must* be people who don't read that website every day. 

Anyway. That's it for now. I'll be slinging hot dogs tomorrow if anyone
asks. Oooh yeah


Kevin

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From Hugo Johan <12813249 at xxx.za>  Thu Aug 21 20:21:44 2003
From: Hugo Johan <12813249 at xxx.za> (Hugo Johan <12813249 at xxx.za>)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:21:44 +0200
Subject: Sinister: step into my office, babies
Message-ID: <F4CDA5FFAC7EA14D87A5F54A0423D9620D78DD@STBEVS01.stb.sun.ac.za>

ahoy there, me hearties!
 
actually i've just stepped in my office, or at least the unviersity's computer lab because i've been feeling a little melancholy today, and i've always found that catching up on e-mail to internet radio really helps
AND
don't worry, you can read on, because i've just finished going through all of the sudden flood of sinister posts (thanks y'all!) and heard stephanie says on the radio ( so i'm not feeling nearly melancholy enough to vent it on all of you... but don't let me put anyone else off - i like fancying myself as a cold shoulder to cry on.
 
btw, i was only barely aware of the existence of stephanie says, and it has now  suddenly overtaken i'll be your mirror as my all-time favourite velvet underground song EVER - and to add to recent discussions, i see is described as "chamber-pop" in one amazon.com review. and to add my little 5-cents worth, i agree that many of the bad things about tweeness DON'T apply to b&s, but i'd like to meet anyone who can look me in the eyes and tell me "family tree" isn't twee. in fact, isobel seems to have been the twee one (the first gentle waves album in particular really is twee as fuck though isn't it?) and in fact i'm sortof dreading that her departure will have caused the balance to swing a little too much to the rawky side, but then i haven't heard any of the new stuff and it'll all be excellent anyway, i'm sure
 
ooh wait, though content: i can't remember it being mentioned on the list (and it was interesting seeing pitchforkmedia reviewing stay loose, because on amazon.com, "step into my office, baby" is already on sale as the first single, on sale 23rd september, for anyone interested (at $5,98)
 
well, so that's it
except to let you know: it's snowed here for two days in a row. normally we would get maybe snow once in an exceptionally cold winter, and some of the hills haven't had snow on them for decades. anyway, it's all rather pretty. bear in mind that i'm heading into a summer that's going to be the same temperatures and hotter as the heat-wave in europe now - but for 3-4 months, so understand my pleasure.
 
lots love to you all
 
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From clairk at xxx.edu  Thu Aug 21 23:45:17 2003
From: clairk at xxx.edu (clairk at xxx.edu)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:45:17 -0500
Subject: Sinister: a summer wasting - or, it's hot outside
Message-ID: <888814546.1061487917@LIBR429-07>

Hello.  There's been a flurry of posts in the last 24 hours, it seems, so I 
figure I'll make like a Californian and throw my hat in the ring, only, 
y'know, not for governor.  (Although I do have some interesting ideas for 
balancing the budget, but that's neither here nor there.)

I've noticed in the past that my Belle and Sebastian listening habits are 
faintly related to the weather.  When the first warm day of spring hits and 
the snow has completely melted (this is usually like the end of April 
around here), I generally will listen to Tigermilk for days on end.  Today 
I listened to If You're Feeling Sinister to commemorate the fact that it's 
not a hundred degrees out for once; I find that I can't really get into 
chamber pop when it's 98 degrees outside and we have no air conditioning, 
and I end up listening to Hot Hot Heat.  (Corollary: It never occurred to 
me that Hot Hot Heat was somehow an appropriate band for listening to on a 
hot day until I was writing this.)

At any rate, so I think I'll probably let this record establish a residency 
in my CD player for a while, like when I listened to nothing but Sgt 
Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band for over a week.  I ended up deciding it 
wasn't my favourite Beatles album after all.  I don't know how this 
experiment will turn out.

The Minnesota State Fair starts today, and I really should make a point of 
going this year.  I managed to miss it last summer but state fairs seem 
like such an integral part of being Midwestern that it's a wonder I've 
never actually been to one.  I can't imagine how a hayride would work 
considering Minnesota's fairgrounds are in the middle of a huge city, but 
I'm sure they make up for that somehow.  Also I bet they carve things out 
of butter.  Hideous!

I eagerly anticipate my radio show this term; I can't decide whether I 
should have it on a Monday so that I can turn 21 on the air or if I should 
have it on a Tuesday so I can play Dear Catastrophe Waitress, 
uninterrupted, on the day it comes out.  They'll probably put my show on a 
Thursday or something.

I look forward to many reports! back! from the gigs! and will myself be 
waving at the band's plane as it flies overhead.  Unless they've already 
done that.  Pity.

unconfined by labels,
-kevin
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From stephanowic at xxx.it  Fri Aug 22 16:32:27 2003
From: stephanowic at xxx.it (Stefano [Steady-State])
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 17:32:27 +0200
Subject: Sinister: PIC NIC ANYONE?   
Message-ID: <HK11U3$4A3E597B43912E07448FD3977EA0B9B2@libero.it>

Hello my dear sinister

I think this is a very short noticed, but having myself noticed
we are going to face a bank holiday week end, and trying to
avoid the rather sad temptation of gong to work on monday,
i told to myself, even if it is a bit of a short notice, what's better
then spending time with a few other sinister person in the park,
and ON A MONDAY
a day i should be  supposed to be at job instead?
[honestly I think nothing!]-[well might be I am a bit enthusiastic, for once let me be]

so if the notice is short enough, I was think the same old plan will do...
MEETING:
at 2 at PM (well 2 AM should be fun tho) 
at of the Odeon cinema, in Camden parkway
just by the Cambden tube station
(I am patient... such a lair... so I think we
will stay there for a while.. like 2:30... trying to have
a tan in the middle of camden town... no don't  like
tan very much, I'll rather stay in the dark corned of the
cinema...)


if you feel lazy or fashionable late. or whatever,
it is quite a tradition we are going to head up the
TOP OF PRIMROSE HILLL
I guess you' ll recognise us. 


this is all a rush, so even If I am the less telegenic
(does this term exists? don't really mind) person on
the planet surface I can even there to give you me number...
I can't guarantee I'll be able to read your messages tho,
still have HUGE problems in try to figure out how this b***y
thing does work!
here is the number anyway:
07919468162
is it correct? i don't know! but i'll keep me finger crossed.

I think footie will be a nice idea too!
just bring a ball cause I haven't got any: I'm useless I know...
but If you've ever seen me plaing you would understand why I prefer to 
stay away from that device!

again:
MONDAY!!!! Bank holiday!!! YEAHAEY!

---------------OXFORD-----------
Mark mentioned there is a nice club in oxford tonight!
unfortunately i can't really make it... even if I had love to,
we managed to be a nice (?) bouncing couple at last how
does it feel and shared the joy of the night bus. what do
you want more?
another pint might me..can come later tonight!

*was great to meet Paul and Sam and Tara as well*

-----------Ironing--------

especially I think i deserve one, having woke up at about
half past four, why? don't who! feel unexpectedly jet lagged,
might be something i dreamt but I can't remember... and
yes, what can you do so early in the morning...
well...I hate my special reserve of pineapple slice the night before...
so... looking ta the pile of stuff to iron getting HUGE I though, why not
going for that... actually it was excellent... I manage to have my wardrobe 
sorted (still waiting for the louvre door...) and feel a lot relaxed.
must be the housewife stories is all bollocks, they do iron, they should be
alright. I'll turn into a house husband soon. wonna marry me?


hope to see you soon
(on top of primsorose hill on MONDAY!!!!)
take care
  stefano

PS: if u need much more information please contact me of list I'll be more then glad to
give it to you
and MORE IMPORTANT :NEWCOMERS!!!! YOU ARE BLISS!!! COME!!!!!!!!!!!!



 





~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#
in the time of the winter 
the waiter fell into the snow
he could hear a voice but 
will he ever find his way
if I'm so far from your 
heart why do I feel it beat
and time won't wait for us
~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~


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From stoutrobin at xxx.com  Fri Aug 22 18:26:50 2003
From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 17:26:50 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Click your heels three times and make a wish
Message-ID: <BAY7-F50ANH2cv0aGlt0000550c@hotmail.com>

Hallo again

THREE VERY IMPORTANT THINGS:

1. - If I ever meet Paulo Stinsoni I will give him a CUDDLE!

2. - Thanks to Johan for telling us about Step Into My Office on Amazon. I 
went and had a look and discovered that they have the new album cover up 
too: http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0000C84MZ.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

3. - I am going to eat NOODLES! Mmmmm!!!

xxx

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From hobart at xxx.uk  Fri Aug 22 22:54:45 2003
From: hobart at xxx.uk (ian)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 22:54:45 +0100
Subject: Sinister: soft, like me
Message-ID: <00d001c368f8$0589c940$16e7193e@default>

det var en gang

that is

once upon a time, there was a world.  and the world was pretty large.  of
course, people looked out into space, and dreamt of bigger planets, and
pondered what life could be like if they could only escape their earth-bound
existence, little suspecting that the secret to escaping your fetters does
not lie in physical movement.

but i digress.

there was a world.  and the world was pretty large.  and those that didn't
dream of leaving dreamed of making it better.  and those that didn't dream
of either had forgotten how to dream, and that made them bitter, and cruel.

bear with me, there is a point to all this.

hello my fluffy friends, it has been a while.  i have missed you.  but
you've been busy, and you've moved on, as people do, and you've moved away,
and now you're saying strange things, things that i understand, but that
make me shudder.

let me explain, in a round-about way,... it comes down to one thing....

det var en gang

once upon a time, there was a boy who lived all alone, in a tall building in
a big city.  he didn't mind it, safe, in the tall building.  he enjoyed life
there, all alone, staring out of the window at the clouds, watching the
seagulls swooping and diving past the glass, dreaming of joining them,
floating high above the streets.
he enjoyed that, those quiet days, in a safe place, when he didn't have to
leave home.

some days, he had to leave the building.  those were the days that scared
him.

a nice story... but it isn't the right way to convince you.

try a different approach.  change tack.

bear with me, there is a point to all this.

new tack....:

da kidz have ditched nu metal.  this is official, although you already knew
it.  gone are the pointless bits of chain and the trousers showing just too
much arse (although that isn't always a bad thing).  da kidz have moved on,
so i hear.  these days, they're sporting hair spiked perfectly
asymmetrically, they spend many hours in front of their mirrors pulling
their locks into that just-got-out-of-bed style.
they wear ripped clothing, though they aren't poor.  they wear sweatbands,
though they don't like to exercise and they smoke, if they feel that it
looks good.  sometimes they wear sunglasses when its dark, although they've
never heard of the blues brothers.

da kidz look good these days.  skinny musculature, tanned from a summer of
exposure, snake hips, poured into tight trousers, swagger and sway - in that
sid vicious way, and lips that curl up in the middle.  da kidz have irony
for breakfast, in fact they have it before breakfast, moving onto satire for
a mid-morning (2 p.m.) snack and parody, cigarettes and imported russian
vodka for evening meal.

oh, they look good.   and they sound good.  their bodies are hard, their
minds are hard.  perhaps they make me a little hard.... but, mostly, they
leave me cold.

deep inside, perhaps, they're happy.  i'll never know.  i was never anything
like that.  i could never be anything like that.  and now, i'm happy to say
that i will never be anything like that.

bear with me, there is a point to all this.

so, i'm sitting here, in my bell-bottoms and smiths top (if it was a hefner
top it would work better in this context, but it isn't, so i won't lie to
you) and behind me on the chair is the cardigan i like to fall into from
time to time.  purple, orange and blue, and bought on a york day when the
sun refused to shine.  purple, orange and blue, too large around the
sleeve-ends, where i've pulled them over my hands too often, because i like
to hide my hands.
near me, on the shelf, sits a picture of my little pussy cat and behind me,
on the bed, sits one of several teddy bears.  i like teddy bears.  i talk to
them, i wonder if they actually do have feelings, sometimes i sleep with
one, although i'm now twenty-nine and a proper grown-up.

don't press delete yet.  there's an important point here.

sometimes, the world scares me.  i like smiley-face stickers, that make me
feel happier, i like brightly coloured things, i like people who hug me and
tell me everything is going to be allright.  i like people who really,
really hug me, and make me feel safe.  i like the feeling that, sometimes,
there's somewhere to hide.  because we all need that.  no matter how big we
are.

and,
guess what?
none of this is an affectation.

bear with me, there is a point to this.

det var en gang

once upon a time there was a boy.  i won't keep you in suspense.  this is an
autobiographical number, and the boy will bear more than a passing
resemblance to me.  he might wank less and be more tanned, in this story,
but then again he might not.

that boy hadn't enjoyed growing up.  and he had a secret.  he wasn't really
enjoying being a grown-up either.  but nobody was supposed to know this, not
even himself.
so that nobody ever found out his secret, he smiled in the wrong places, at
the wrong things.  he cultivated an air of sarcasm and irony, he learnt the
right put downs, at just the right times, to bring the braggard to the
ground.  he made sure he had the clothes that made him look the thinnest,
and he swaggered around with an eye for a verbal fight, knowing he looked
better than some, knowing that put him in a stronger position, knowing that
maybe, just maybe, people hadn't got him rumbled.

it didn't work.  chiefly because he wanted people to like him.  those that
did like him...well...you'll have to ask them their reasons.  perhaps they
saw something underneath.  perhaps they knew none of it was real, because
they recognised that he was doing what they were doing themselves.

bear with me, there is a point to all this.

at a stage in this boy's life, he discovered affectation.  he followed the
Mighty Cocker into the charity-shops of the cities, and decked himself out
in ironic print shirts.  he purchased flared trousers, and wore them with a
knowing smile.  he cut his hair short, dyed it pink, and got angry when
people stared at it.  he swaggered a little more, in a cool way.  in a
different way to the others.  he wasn't like them.  he didn't have to be
witty.  he could be an individual, like all the other individuals.
one day, he realised he wasn't being ironic any more.  he loved his print
shirt, and his flares.  he still wears them to this day and probably will
for some time.

and he learned something very important about affectation.  eventually, you
forget where the person you were to begin with ends and where the pretence
begins.  the two merge into one being.   perhaps a more complete person, if
the affectation was a positive one, but more often an imbalance is created.
 and the boy looked at those people who had been his friends before, with
their clever lines, and their cigarettes, and he knew, too, that they had
grown into this identity that once they sought to hide behind - that the
put-downs and the bitching had become the person, that the coping strategy
was now the personality.

and he realised how shallow his new persona was, although he liked it.  and
he realised that they weren't really all that different, those people and
him.  they just coped with words where he coped with clothes, and a burt
bacharach shuffle.



and then, just at the right time, along came belle and sebastian.

and more followed..

a bowlie weekender, some kind people, a mailing list... a magical place.
really.  a place where people talked about meaning in music, where people
spoke unashamedly of the whirly bits in songs that made their hearts
flutter, a place where people crept out of the shadows and said 'i'm shy, be
kind to me'... and, by and large, people were kind.

the layers fell away, bit by bit.  there were events in every day life too,
but the mailing list was an important part.  this was somewhere he didn't
have to pretend, although he lied a lot and joked a bit just because he
liked doing it.
the layers fell away, although the print shirts remained, and in came other
things...

snatches of song:

time has told me, you're a rare rare find
a trouble cure for a troubled mind

this is the time of life that i am living
and i'll face each day with a smile

'cos we've got feelings and we're DAMN PROUD OF IT

i feel the planets surround me, they gather round me


in came the sincere smile.  the lack of shame.  the ability to face life
without the shell.
somewhere, along came the ability to say 'this is me.  i'm soft.  and i'm
proud of it.  don't hurt me, and i'll try not to hurt you'.
and, over the years, it grew.  partly because of a band.  partly because of
their softness.  partly because of their vulnerability.  partly because of -

bear with me, because here comes the point

their tweeness.

oh, you can tell me it isn't there and you can say you don't believe in it
but that won't stop me seeing it, and cherishing it, and holding it close to
my heart as something important, as a lesson that has to be learned.

i think you see it differently to me.  i think you see it as something
empty, shallow, overly sentimental.  i see none of that.  i see the tweeness
as an intrinsic part of who some of us are.  i see it as a refusal to
conform to a world of mcdonalds and george bush and three-minute stardom.
not a precious refusal or a staged act of rebellion.  not some strokes-y
night in a bar or a radiohead frown (although i do like the radiohead
frown), but a gentle, understanding 'no.  thank you.'.  understanding,
perhaps because we've been there, trying to be what so many others are
trying to be.  or, for those luckier ones, because we were never taken in by
it in the first place.

i don't want to throw their world back in their faces.  i want to invite
them into mine.  i want to cuddle them, and make them feel warm, and safe
and loved.  i want to make them realise how important they are.  each and
every one of them.  especially the cruel ones, and the angry ones, because
they're the saddest of all.

and if you'd care to come and stay
in my little corner of the world
we could hide away
in my little corner of the world
we always knew
we'd find someone like you


actually, no, we didn't know we'd find you.  but we're very glad we did find
you, in the end.  and, just this once, we're going to get precious.  we're
going to tell you that you're wrong, we're not going to let you deny this
important, this beautiful tweeness, this softness.  because it isn't an
affectation for so many of us.  in it lies an oddly beautiful strength.  a
strength that comes from knowing that kindness is okay.

in my head, an aisler's set song.  i've been listening to them every morning
for the past couple of weeks.  and they're twee.  and its the biggest
compliment i could give them:

the building yawns as the stop light changes
'just a kid with a filthy mind'
they've never seen your sentimental side
they've never seen you in your best light.

oh they're beautifuly, gorgeously, upliftingly,
simultaneously-happy-and-sadly-heartbreakingly twee and in them now i see
what i first loved in belle and sebastian.  i see the boy who always crys at
endings, the one who thought there was love in everything and everyone.  the
boy who was naive, perhaps, but stronger than you think.

celebrate your tweeness.  be proud.  and... if it really is an
affectation...(although mine never was).... there are far worse ones to
nurture.

oh, and i forgot something important.  i forgot the point to this.

live happily ever after.

snipp snapp snute, så var eventyret ute

xx
ian

paulo, if you're doing that tape, i'd love a copy.

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From fbrito at xxx.br  Sat Aug 23 03:37:00 2003
From: fbrito at xxx.br (Fernando Brito)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:37:00 -0300
Subject: Sinister: Trevor Horn (Seymour Stein, once more)
Message-ID: <OFB185F74C.1AD74FAE-ON03256D8B.000C8565@magnasistemas.com.br>

Trevor Horn - I'm so angry
I caught a glimpse of my fave band
It was anything but Belle and...

(You) Took my band away
Tell me what's your plan?
Trevor Horn My-eee man
I hope you choke with your dinner

You find a hideaway
I'll seek from this day
I'll find you, well,
I'll kick your ass and say:

Stay Loose is a shame, nothing but a bad tune
I hate all your work and I think you're quite an asshole
Where's the voice of Stuart Lee?
And the rest of that great team?
Trevor bring them back to me!

I know you very well
You suck, you're a jackass
You don't mind 'cos you're moronic
So much that it can be quite comic

Trevor Horn - sorry, I HATE you
Hope you'll break all bones
It's a good way for dying

Trevor Horn
Trevor Horn......

* * *

Stay Loose is crappy, at least. And I hope Trevor Horn didn't screw up with
Lord Anthony.

* * *

And now I retreat back to lurkerdom.

Kisses and hugs,

Fernando Brito


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From lcallaghan1981 at xxx.com  Sat Aug 23 12:50:37 2003
From: lcallaghan1981 at xxx.com (lynsey callaghan)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:50:37 +0000
Subject: Sinister: don't be afraid, you have just got your eyes closed
Message-ID: <Sea2-F16lmnHOBvxb9i0000e023@hotmail.com>

Well, hello sinister,
My, my, hasn't it been a long time? I know you've been around but I haven't 
been paying too much attention, you've been kind of like the doddery old 
grandmother who sits in the corner and reads out crossword clues when you're 
trying to watch eastenders. A distraction, although not an altogether 
unpleasant one. Just badly timed.
So I've been busy, for the first time in ages, instead of earning myself a 
reputation for sitting in pubs and coffee shops. I have a job. It's quite 
good. I have some money. That's also quite good.
I'm getting all excited and flustered and watery-eyed about the prospect of 
a belle and sebastian album, which, by most accounts , is going to be 
something of a cracker. I've tried to cheekily download some of the album 
tracks on Kazaa, but it's not having any of it. How am I going to wait any 
longer?!?!

This week, I went to the north of Sweden, to Lapland and into the arctic. I 
stood on the polar circle, which was something of an anticlimax really. A 
big curved log and a visitor's centre which sold fluffy reindeer toys and 
keyrings and fluffy mocassins. A toilet you have to pay 50p to use. A sign 
in severl languages, of which I could read only one, and vaguely understand 
one more. Living in Scandinavia has its downfalls, the biggest one being 
that you really, truly realise your ineptitude for learning languages. I can 
speak English (although some would beg to differ on that point), and a 
little Spanish, basic german. Some of the people I met this weekend can 
speak Swedish, Finnish, Saami, English and German. Phew. Anyway. So the 
arctic circle probably wasn't even the arctic circle this week, since it 
moves according to its mood (honest), so I mayhave been on the Arctic Circle 
(TM), or i may have been nearly a kilometre away. but who's going to know 
from looking at a photo of me grinning and jumping off a log under a sign 
that says *Polcirkeln'?
I also went to the world's largest underground mine (TM) and a big old hole 
in the ground to pick up shiny bits of rock. I think I was supposed to pay 
more attention, but who could do that when there are big shiny bits of metal 
everywhere. eh? Geology schmeology, I'm only in it for the gold.

I haven't really anything constructive to add on teh subject of tweeness, 
since I'm neither twee nor anti-twee, but even if I did, I don't think I 
could articulate it any better than has already been done. It's been nice to 
read some more sinister posts after the recent drought. It's also been nice 
rediscovering #sinister after a month-long absence. You should all come 
along, really! It's not all about bums and smut. Well, not all the time.

In other news, I'm going to be back in the UK for two weeks at the start of 
october. It's going to be a two week frenzy of wine-swilling, gig-going and 
record-buying, and I can't WAIT. I'm going to be in London and Glasgow, and 
possibly several places in between, so if there's going to be anything 
sinisterish happening around that time,or you just fancy going to the pub 
for a big old chat,  please do let me know. And if anyone wanted to organise 
a picnic or pubnic around that time (hint, hint...) that would be just 
lovely.

I should really go and do some work now.

love, volvos and reindeer steaks,
lyns
xox

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From boyincorduroy at xxx.com  Sat Aug 23 14:43:50 2003
From: boyincorduroy at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Mark=20Casarotto?=)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:43:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Sometimes I still feel the bruise up my arse
Message-ID: <20030823134350.57473.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>

I see Paulo Stinsoni stuck his twee oar in. Let me
give it a further push and a bit of a twist. Brings
tears to your eyes.

Kids - Paulo's post was a bit of a parable. Being twee
= YOU DON'T GET LAID AND YOU END UP UNHAPPY. There's a
bit of a lesson in there, I think.

(To completely derail my comments, I'm listening to
"Paper Boat" as I type this. Kind of a shame it never
made it onto a record.)

I hear wonderful, wonderful rumours about the Aislers
Set. I'd love to hear anyone telling Amy Linton that
she's twee. 

Shortest post ever!
M xxx


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From snyggtwee at xxx.com  Sat Aug 23 19:26:29 2003
From: snyggtwee at xxx.com (m. paisley)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:26:29 +0000
Subject: Sinister: and you wonder why are we f*cked up as a race
Message-ID: <Law14-F12hrKtzcbLDi000002de@hotmail.com>

Excuse me, but did you just write about your desire to physically bully 
another list member? Over e-mail?

>I see Paulo Stinsoni stuck his twee oar in. Let me
>give it a further push and a bit of a twist. Brings
>tears to your eyes.

Sure looks like it to me. And you attacked him on a personal level as 
well...

>Kids - Paulo's post was a bit of a parable. Being twee
>= YOU DON'T GET LAID AND YOU END UP UNHAPPY. There's a
>bit of a lesson in there, I think.

What the hell. Paul shared a part of his experience, and I felt privileged 
to read it. I don't want a flame war (although that hostile e-mail looked 
like it could be a first step), but there's something wrong when one member 
feels threatened by another, just because one goes by a label that the other 
refuses. Paulo's post talked about twee musical groups in a very respectful 
way, and concerned his own life, on which he is the best authority. Mark's 
post responded not to the twee genre topic, but was just an attack on Paulo 
himself.

It's the mentality of shaky self-image where being called a name like "twee" 
is like being called "gay" and the best way to prove that you're not is 
evidently to go find someone who does represent that quality and beat them 
up.

Without their vigilant self-obsession about how aggressive and vicious they 
can make themselves, what do bullies have to write about?

-
paisley

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From snyggtwee at xxx.com  Sat Aug 23 20:06:47 2003
From: snyggtwee at xxx.com (m. paisley)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 19:06:47 +0000
Subject: Sinister: mince
Message-ID: <Law14-F19CDmwJv8kHl0004397c@hotmail.com>

No, you're right, "physically bully" doesn't hardly get the full intention 
of "anal rape" across. Pardon my initial phrasing, it was woefully 
imprecise.

>Mark Casarotto <boyincorduroy at yahoo.com>
>Sinister: Sometimes I still feel the bruise up my arse

>I see Paulo Stinsoni stuck his twee oar in. Let me
>give it a further push and a bit of a twist. Brings
>tears to your eyes.

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From hobart at xxx.uk  Sat Aug 23 21:08:30 2003
From: hobart at xxx.uk (ian)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:08:30 +0100
Subject: Sinister: twee idol
Message-ID: <009201c369b2$563c6680$29f8193e@default>

the sun shines weakly, on a humdrum town.  a thousand thousand identical
roofs warm slightly to its touch while those in the buildings beneath stare
into the street, wondering why things aren't right yet, after all this time.
after everything.

further into the town, a larger building - somewhere full of people.  full
of young people, many of them pretty.  not a nightclub.  not that soulless.

or, perhaps, more soulless still:

'but why haven't you picked me?'

'we don't think you're right for this'

'but can't you see how marvellous i am?  can't you SEE i'm going to be
FAMOUS and RICH and HAPPY?'

'that's nice.  next'

one by one, up troop the hopefuls, all willing to give everything they have.
all knowing that this time, this will be that breakthrough, this will be the
one.  full of self-belief, they're completely aware that they're something
special, more
special than any of the others.
the judges smile, and offer opinion, looking firm bodies up and down and
doing mental bank-balance calculations.
they'll use you up, and they'll throw you away, and you're asking them to do
it, because that's your dream.

i can hear this happening in the room nextdoor.  the blue light from the box
fills the room and entrances my partner, who is doubtless watching the
screen for pretty boys.  i can't be around it.  i can't hear it.  partly
because it makes me so very sad, and partly because i'm scared i'll end up
watching it too, getting pulled in by it, laughing at the people who can't
sing, in the same way that everyone else laughs.  like people laugh at me
because i try to sing because, let's face it, anyone who dares put their
head over the
parapet deserves everything they get, don't they?

watching it hurts me.  i feel like i'm betraying something important in
myself.  it feels like i'm being unfaithful to my spirit, and yet i could
still go and sit there, and let it fill me.

-------------------------
that's the modern world.  that's fame and fortune, its a cruel game and
we're all chasing it.  maybe we'd all be on that television, given half a
chance, being loud, being 'interesting', trying to be noticed.

thank goodness our heroes are different.  thank goodness we like different
things, which makes us better than the rest of the world.  thank goodness we
aren't taken in by the likes of that.  oh... but don't some of them look
pretty?

i hide in here, with my computer.  i want to put on kathryn williams
records, or, better still, leonard cohen albums.  i want to listen to
scottish indie, and pretend i'm so far away from any of that.  any of that
idol worship.  any of that addiction to fame.  i won't think about my 'buffy
the vampire slayer' box sets, or about those early episodes when xander
looked so beautifully toned.  and we won't talk about the porn.

no... i'm better than that.  i value people for what they are, not as
commodities and -
god, he looks nice in a tight top.


no, no NO.. i don't think like that.  i'll find that book on
meditation...now where
was it?  oh yes... right here, under the tv guide.

perhaps i'll pick up my copy of 'if you're feeling sinister' and
conveniently ignore the fact that, just maybe, being famous is something
belle and sebastian wouldn't mind all that much, either, wouldn't mind being
adored by the people listening at home, by the people watching on the telly,
by the people listening at home.

oh, there's a layer of irony in those lyrics, but its defensive irony.  its
the irony
of someone who is aware that they're partly charmed by what they're trying
to stand away from.

---------------------

i like the fact that we're different here, that we're not like the rest of
the world, that we're so gorgeously twee that we never think about bel ami
boys, or sex-toys, or holding someone closely to you as they---

no... i never think about that.  i'm far too fluffy.

far too fluffy...fluffy...
fluffer...fluff...buff...butt...hmm...butt...hmm...

no, where was i?


okay, i'll come clean ---

i wasn't singing 'i'm a little tea pot' to my pussy cat.

you see, being twee doesn't render you senseless to the world around you.
it doesn't make you a better person, although it may, if done sincerely,
make you a kinder one.  it doesn't stop you being a human being.  it doesn't
even, really, get rid of that part of you that wants to watch simon cowell
spout his destructive, self-glorifying crap in the name of building up his
own celebrity status at the expense of other, more fragile beings.
because, let's face it, its poor television but its compulsive, if you allow
yourself to become a part of it.


sometimes, i wish it did.  time away from the world around you is a good
thing.  time away from the crassness is great.  if tweeness is your retreat,
then i'd like to join you for a cup of tea.  herbal, naturally.  with one of
those nice biscuits with a cow on it.

if being kind, and sensitive, and soft, and perhaps a little precious is
your way of facing the world, then good luck to you.  you're going to need
it.  its a hard world, too hard.  full of pop-idol people who know they're
better than everyone else (that isn't a dig at anyone around these parts,
incase there's any paranoid vibes floating round) and, when a hard thing and
a soft thing collide, its easy to guess what might crumple.

no, we can't hide from the world completely.  we need it.  we're raised in
it, and we've absorbed some of its ideals.  the need for recognition,
affection... maybe even s--e--x.

  and guess what kids?  its true, perhaps, that there are
people out there who won't shag you.  probably quite a lot of them.

it might be because you're a girl, it might be because you're a boy, it
might be because of the colour of your skin, or tone of your voice.  it
might be because of those clothes - don't you know that crew cuts and
trainers are out again?  it might be because they're celibate, or bored, or
they want something deeper from life.  it might be because you're too hard,
it might be because you're affected.  it might be because you're too
sensitive.

it might be because you're twee.
a shame being soft doesn't stop you wanting to get laid.  doesn't take away
the disappointment of not getting what you want.  doesn't heal those wounds
any more quickly.  doesn't get you a boyfriend, or a girlfriend.

not straight away, anyway.

but you know what?  if you come to terms with that, if you stop trying to be
hard, if you show your sensitive heart to the world then amongst all those
people queuing up to stick knives in it, there might be someone you weren't
expecting.  someone else with a sensitive heart, someone else who wants to
feel safe, and warm, and needs someone who will handle them with care - the
care that only comes of knowing how it feels to be easily bruised.

it won't stop you hurting them, of course.  it won't take away the pictures
of naked men and women that titillate.  it won't stop sex selling
everything.  it won't protect you from the cruelty that passes for saturday
night entertainment these days.  all of which, together, make staying
together and making each other happy a terribly difficult task.

but, you know what?  it isn't a bad place to start.

and, sometimes, when that soft thing crumples, it forms a wondefully new
shape.  something strange, and unexpected, and never seen before.  something
really original.  its never the hammer that's the work of art, always the
sculpture.  always the new shape, formed from something more malleable, less
easy to define.

so be twee.  or be hard.  be whatever you are.  and don't be ashamed.  and
don't worry about not getting laid.  you'll get used to it, as i'm sure you
are already.  that's life.
life is cruel.
you don't have to be.

and i'd tell amy linton that her music is twee, gladly.  although i wouldn't
just throw out the word.  i'd explain to her what that meant to me, and how
special and important it was, and maybe, just maybe, she'd understand.

i'm blowing you kisses and waving a wand.  and i'm sticking a big kiss,
particularly, on the head of mr. casarotto who, i'm sure, would never stick
a paddle up someone's arse.  not really. (you've got something that would
work so much better than that, dear).

and maybe i'll catch the end of pop idol.  it IS compulsive television.

xx
ian



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From stoutrobin at xxx.com  Sat Aug 23 21:50:41 2003
From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 20:50:41 +0000
Subject: Sinister: and what do you think i saw when i opened the door? Badgers! Eating my pork pie!
Message-ID: <BAY7-F36PCiQpLnH8z600006fe7@hotmail.com>

I was at a party last night and had an argument with a girl about drum and 
bass. I think I told her it was rubbish. I said, snootily and rather too 
loudly, that I'd always preferred hi-hat and treble. I said, waving my beer 
bottle in the air, that I like drums, I like bass, I like trumpets, I like 
guitars and handclaps and songs about tigers. She said I didn't understand 
and it's about more than just drums and bass. I said it was a stupid name 
then, and all labels were silly because the best bands should defy 
expectations. She called me something offensive. It might have been "you 
twat". It probably was.

Today with a headache and not a penny in my pockets I sat inside watching 
telly. And I figured that last night I had been a bit of a twat. I'd 
overstepped the mark.

I think my views on whether it is good or bad to be considered twee follow 
similar lines of thought to that argument about drum and bass. I don't think 
that labels ever really fit what they're applied to. And people always have 
different opinions on what they mean. People ask me what music I like and I 
find it difficult to reply. I could say 'indie' I suppose, but people would 
form the wrong impressions. My problem with 'twee' is that it's an 
affectation. I like to hear songs about love and loneliness, girlfriends who 
run off with postmen, freckles, tigers and sex on the carpet. I don't think 
a word as shallow as twee really sums that up. If you want to put your hair 
in pigtails, go on. It makes you look cute, but it's not why I love you.

I think what I'm most embarrassed about in my argument with that girl is 
that I was accusing her of being narrowminded but I was being narrowminded 
myself. I mean, she can dance to shite music if she wants to, but it's not 
like she's sticking pins in hampsters. I'll tell myself that because she 
says she doesn't listen to song lyrics that makes her shallow, but that 
doesn't have to be true. That's the problem with labels: they make us focus 
on the wrapper and not what's inside. Last night someone called me a 
four-letter word beginning with 't'. I hope that's the last time.

:: :: ::

A taxi driver parked his taxi at the end of my street because smoke was 
coming from the engine. He had his radio turned up really loud and I 
couldn't concentrate on my book. He flipped up the bonnet and stood holding 
his chin in one hand with the other on his hip. A song called 'Stay Loose' 
came on the radio. I can't remember who it was by but I rather liked it.

robin x

ps: the aislers set kick ass. they blow me away. there isn't a word in the 
dictionary to sum that up.

pps: put your wand away ian. always getting it out at the smallest excuse ;)

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From hobart at xxx.uk  Sat Aug 23 21:56:31 2003
From: hobart at xxx.uk (ian)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 21:56:31 +0100
Subject: Sinister: twee idol
Message-ID: <000601c369b9$0b6a7be0$65a0193e@default>

err.... just a quick clarification.
i panicked after i'd sent this, because,
given the subsequent spin put on mark's words, the comment at the bottom
about paddles, and suitable substitutes seems in very poor taste.

it wasn't a joke about rape in any way sense or form.  i wouldn't do that,
and from the (admittedly limited) amount i know about mark there's no way
he'd do that either.  but i'll let him speak for himself.  mine was a clumsy
attempt at flirtation.
all my attempts at flirtation are clumsy.  i'll stick to self-abuse

xx
ian

-----Original Message-----
From: ian <hobart at xxx.uk>
To: sinister at missprint.org <sinister at missprint.org>
Date: 23 August 2003 21:13
Subject: Sinister: twee idol


>the sun shines weakly, on a humdrum town.  a thousand thousand identical
>roofs warm slightly to its touch while those in the buildings beneath stare
>into the street, wondering why things aren't right yet, after all this
time.
>after everything.
>
>further into the town, a larger building - somewhere full of people.  full
>of young people, many of them pretty.  not a nightclub.  not that soulless.
>
>or, perhaps, more soulless still:
>
>'but why haven't you picked me?'
>
>'we don't think you're right for this'
>
>'but can't you see how marvellous i am?  can't you SEE i'm going to be
>FAMOUS and RICH and HAPPY?'
>
>'that's nice.  next'
>
>one by one, up troop the hopefuls, all willing to give everything they
have.
>all knowing that this time, this will be that breakthrough, this will be
the
>one.  full of self-belief, they're completely aware that they're something
>special, more
>special than any of the others.
>the judges smile, and offer opinion, looking firm bodies up and down and
>doing mental bank-balance calculations.
>they'll use you up, and they'll throw you away, and you're asking them to
do
>it, because that's your dream.
>
>i can hear this happening in the room nextdoor.  the blue light from the
box
>fills the room and entrances my partner, who is doubtless watching the
>screen for pretty boys.  i can't be around it.  i can't hear it.  partly
>because it makes me so very sad, and partly because i'm scared i'll end up
>watching it too, getting pulled in by it, laughing at the people who can't
>sing, in the same way that everyone else laughs.  like people laugh at me
>because i try to sing because, let's face it, anyone who dares put their
>head over the
>parapet deserves everything they get, don't they?
>
>watching it hurts me.  i feel like i'm betraying something important in
>myself.  it feels like i'm being unfaithful to my spirit, and yet i could
>still go and sit there, and let it fill me.
>
>-------------------------
>that's the modern world.  that's fame and fortune, its a cruel game and
>we're all chasing it.  maybe we'd all be on that television, given half a
>chance, being loud, being 'interesting', trying to be noticed.
>
>thank goodness our heroes are different.  thank goodness we like different
>things, which makes us better than the rest of the world.  thank goodness
we
>aren't taken in by the likes of that.  oh... but don't some of them look
>pretty?
>
>i hide in here, with my computer.  i want to put on kathryn williams
>records, or, better still, leonard cohen albums.  i want to listen to
>scottish indie, and pretend i'm so far away from any of that.  any of that
>idol worship.  any of that addiction to fame.  i won't think about my
'buffy
>the vampire slayer' box sets, or about those early episodes when xander
>looked so beautifully toned.  and we won't talk about the porn.
>
>no... i'm better than that.  i value people for what they are, not as
>commodities and -
>god, he looks nice in a tight top.
>
>
>no, no NO.. i don't think like that.  i'll find that book on
>meditation...now where
>was it?  oh yes... right here, under the tv guide.
>
>perhaps i'll pick up my copy of 'if you're feeling sinister' and
>conveniently ignore the fact that, just maybe, being famous is something
>belle and sebastian wouldn't mind all that much, either, wouldn't mind
being
>adored by the people listening at home, by the people watching on the
telly,
>by the people listening at home.
>
>oh, there's a layer of irony in those lyrics, but its defensive irony.  its
>the irony
>of someone who is aware that they're partly charmed by what they're trying
>to stand away from.
>
>---------------------
>
>i like the fact that we're different here, that we're not like the rest of
>the world, that we're so gorgeously twee that we never think about bel ami
>boys, or sex-toys, or holding someone closely to you as they---
>
>no... i never think about that.  i'm far too fluffy.
>
>far too fluffy...fluffy...
>fluffer...fluff...buff...butt...hmm...butt...hmm...
>
>no, where was i?
>
>
>okay, i'll come clean ---
>
>i wasn't singing 'i'm a little tea pot' to my pussy cat.
>
>you see, being twee doesn't render you senseless to the world around you.
>it doesn't make you a better person, although it may, if done sincerely,
>make you a kinder one.  it doesn't stop you being a human being.  it
doesn't
>even, really, get rid of that part of you that wants to watch simon cowell
>spout his destructive, self-glorifying crap in the name of building up his
>own celebrity status at the expense of other, more fragile beings.
>because, let's face it, its poor television but its compulsive, if you
allow
>yourself to become a part of it.
>
>
>sometimes, i wish it did.  time away from the world around you is a good
>thing.  time away from the crassness is great.  if tweeness is your
retreat,
>then i'd like to join you for a cup of tea.  herbal, naturally.  with one
of
>those nice biscuits with a cow on it.
>
>if being kind, and sensitive, and soft, and perhaps a little precious is
>your way of facing the world, then good luck to you.  you're going to need
>it.  its a hard world, too hard.  full of pop-idol people who know they're
>better than everyone else (that isn't a dig at anyone around these parts,
>incase there's any paranoid vibes floating round) and, when a hard thing
and
>a soft thing collide, its easy to guess what might crumple.
>
>no, we can't hide from the world completely.  we need it.  we're raised in
>it, and we've absorbed some of its ideals.  the need for recognition,
>affection... maybe even s--e--x.
>
>  and guess what kids?  its true, perhaps, that there are
>people out there who won't shag you.  probably quite a lot of them.
>
>it might be because you're a girl, it might be because you're a boy, it
>might be because of the colour of your skin, or tone of your voice.  it
>might be because of those clothes - don't you know that crew cuts and
>trainers are out again?  it might be because they're celibate, or bored, or
>they want something deeper from life.  it might be because you're too hard,
>it might be because you're affected.  it might be because you're too
>sensitive.
>
>it might be because you're twee.
>a shame being soft doesn't stop you wanting to get laid.  doesn't take away
>the disappointment of not getting what you want.  doesn't heal those wounds
>any more quickly.  doesn't get you a boyfriend, or a girlfriend.
>
>not straight away, anyway.
>
>but you know what?  if you come to terms with that, if you stop trying to
be
>hard, if you show your sensitive heart to the world then amongst all those
>people queuing up to stick knives in it, there might be someone you weren't
>expecting.  someone else with a sensitive heart, someone else who wants to
>feel safe, and warm, and needs someone who will handle them with care - the
>care that only comes of knowing how it feels to be easily bruised.
>
>it won't stop you hurting them, of course.  it won't take away the pictures
>of naked men and women that titillate.  it won't stop sex selling
>everything.  it won't protect you from the cruelty that passes for saturday
>night entertainment these days.  all of which, together, make staying
>together and making each other happy a terribly difficult task.
>
>but, you know what?  it isn't a bad place to start.
>
>and, sometimes, when that soft thing crumples, it forms a wondefully new
>shape.  something strange, and unexpected, and never seen before.
something
>really original.  its never the hammer that's the work of art, always the
>sculpture.  always the new shape, formed from something more malleable,
less
>easy to define.
>
>so be twee.  or be hard.  be whatever you are.  and don't be ashamed.  and
>don't worry about not getting laid.  you'll get used to it, as i'm sure you
>are already.  that's life.
>life is cruel.
>you don't have to be.
>
>and i'd tell amy linton that her music is twee, gladly.  although i
wouldn't
>just throw out the word.  i'd explain to her what that meant to me, and how
>special and important it was, and maybe, just maybe, she'd understand.
>
>i'm blowing you kisses and waving a wand.  and i'm sticking a big kiss,
>particularly, on the head of mr. casarotto who, i'm sure, would never stick
>a paddle up someone's arse.  not really. (you've got something that would
>work so much better than that, dear).
>
>and maybe i'll catch the end of pop idol.  it IS compulsive television.
>
>xx
>ian
>
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From benapps at xxx.com  Sun Aug 24 01:08:41 2003
From: benapps at xxx.com (Ben Apps)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:08:41 +0100
Subject: Sinister: we all danced on whirling stages in our busby Berkeley dreams
Message-ID: <BAY2-F60Cqi5xHzjgOg00040f67@hotmail.com>

Well, we didn't *all* do it, but about 30 people did, including sinister's 
own Ian Rivamonte who even gave Stevie a peck on the cheek!  Stuart asked 
for about 6 dancers but the security got a bit overwhelmed.
Beans won the award for the worst joke of the night pretending he thought 
Stuart asked for "6 Dans on stage."

I wrote down the set list on the back of a crumpled ATM receipt. Here's what 
I wrote:

FTS
EXPEC
DD#2
TRAV LIGHT
WOMAN'S REALM
LORD ANTHONY
IYFYCIL
SCOO B-D
IDL NE1
THE MODEL
GMAFHID
JON DAV
JATDOH
TWATTYBUS
ROY WALKER
STCA

Encore:
SLY AND THE F S
ME AND THE MAJOR

So I hope that make's some sense! I didn't know the Sly and the Family Stone 
song.

Hmm, what else?
Stuart said it was the best place he'd ever played, he also sang it was the 
best sex she ever had.
At the time of the show the San Francisco treasure hunt had not been won 
yet. Stuart asked if the clues were too hard or if everyone was just dense! 
Solomon and Deborah, the treasure troopers were called in stage and received 
medals for their stirling work.

There was some band called Bright Eyes on first - whoever they are :-p  The 
singer reminded me of Justine Frischmann, he reminded Rachel of Tommy 
Gnosis.

It was a really good show! The playing was tight, the sound rich, Sturat was 
chatty and the set a perfect blend of old and new. If you find yourself 
caught in love is a Stomper! Oh, and we were treated to the full extended 
version of Scooby Driver. There was a good length article in the San 
Fransisco Weekly with a (p)review of Dear Catastrophe Waitress here:
http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2003-08-20/garrett.html/1/index.html

On to L.A. then. See some of you at the picnic. More reporting back to 
follow.

ttfn

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From benapps at xxx.com  Sun Aug 24 01:16:06 2003
From: benapps at xxx.com (Ben Apps)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:16:06 +0100
Subject: Sinister: and there's more!
Message-ID: <BAY2-F158wZSKx3KiGL00040f20@hotmail.com>

Oops! In between Dirty Dream #2 and Travelling Light we heard Step into My 
Office Baby and Dylan in the Movies.

right sorry bye :-/

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From eddayrr at xxx.com  Sun Aug 24 10:36:13 2003
From: eddayrr at xxx.com (Edda Yrr Einarsdottir)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 09:36:13 +0000
Subject: Sinister: deflowered
Message-ID: <Law10-F20WJQSB2GxU800002678@hotmail.com>

Hello sinister,

I think it's time, I think I have to be deflowered, step into the unknown 
and send out my first mail since I entered the society of the "sinisters". 
For about a month I've been reading some of your mail and to be honest I was 
a little intimidated, as people intend to get when they are standing in 
front of a group of people, who are destined to judge by their standers and 
that even hard. Either they are going to think that you're a bit of clich�, 
stereotyped or even worse trying to be really indie when in fact you aren't 
at all. So I thought I would just introduce myself with sincerity, it might 
not be a interesting mail and it is most definitely not a funny one, but it 
is a first one.

My name is edda, and I'm from Iceland, I'm 20 years old and just graduated 
from pre college and I am about to start my B.S in engineering, but I am 
going to become and architect. hehe this is just like a profile, anyways I 
work at a store/caf� called Te & Kaffi, so I either make coffee or grind it, 
ask me about any kind of coffee or tea and I'll tell you all about it. I 
also do modeling now and then. I love photographing and designing clothes. 
I've traveled a bit, was an exchange student for 6 months in the States, 
went to English school in England and worked for sometime in France. I think 
that's it, ooh and I don't have a boyfriend.

I actually just read Ian's "twee idol" mail, and it got me thinking about 
how I answer questions about my taste in music, normally I just tell people 
that I like indie, jazz/blues, folk and usually name a few artists like Low, 
Will Oldham, B & S, american analog set, tom waits.... when in fact my 
stereo's has been broken for some time so I haven't been listening at all to 
my cd's for a while. So I've just been listening to music when I go out, and 
when I go out I love to dance so I listen to all the pop that's out there 
and old school rap is also pretty high in my play list, so in fact these 
days I should say that I'm listening to beyonc�, justin and the roots, but 
what will people then think of me? I'll admit that telling people that I 
listen to indie is more of an statement than a fact, cause I know that even 
though they would tell me the same, they are too listening to "crazy in 
love" and shaking there booty. Or at least here... I don't know how it is 
with you guys....



                                                                             
              edda xxxx

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From idleberry at xxx.com  Sun Aug 24 18:04:44 2003
From: idleberry at xxx.com (idleberry)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:04:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Tweemore Stein
Message-ID: <20030824170444.83645.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com>

"what is your definition of emo, twee, and or any
other hip music category that you might be able to
help me define. all i know is weezer is emo, b&s is
twee, and modest mouse is indie. what is used to
define these placements, and is there a hierarchy?"

The Concise and Blunt Idleberry Dictionary, 2003
Edition, Sinister Publications Ltd.

emo: (adjective)(1) lazy method of defining music
according to its beat, tone, pitch, vocals, and choice
of musical instruments. Used by people who don't
actually like music enough to listen to it properly.
(2) Stereotype of person or people who listen to a
particular band or bands, judged on basic observations
of appearance, attitude, and behaviour. 

twee: (adjective) (1)lazy method of defining music
according to its beat, tone, pitch, vocals, and choice
of musical instruments. Used by people who don't
actually like music enough to listen to it properly.
(2) Stereotype of person or people who listen to a
particular band or bands, judged on basic observations
of appearance, attitude, and behaviour.  

indie: (adjective) lazy method of defining music
according to its beat, tone, pitch, vocals, and choice
of musical instruments. Used by people who don't
actually like music enough to listen to it properly.
(2) Stereotype of person or people who listen to a
particular band or bands, judged on basic observations
of appearance, attitude, and behaviour.

Hope that helps clear things up, Tamara. 

Personally, I think anyone who aspires to being twee/
emo/ indie is socially inept. If you have an issue
with being yourself and instead feel the need for a
label or category to belive you fit in somewhere in
society, then there isn�t much hope left. You may as
well just pop on some concrete flippers and take a
long swim now.  Seriously. What is the point at all if
you can�t just be yourself and feel the need to be
something, to dress, to act and to behave a certain
way just to feel part of anything? Come on! Its only
music. Why feel the need to be a certain way to
impress people who like the same music as you? Isn't
that what you'd be doing, afterall? Trying to fit in,
trying to impress people so you feel somehow part of a
movement? It doesn�t work. Unless you�re into the
Rocky Horror Picture Show. I think it works in that
case. 

Is sinister twee? Bollocks it is. Quick cross-section
of sinister pos(t)ers:Ken Chu; Mark Casarotto;
Carsmile Steve; Matt Henderson; Laura Llew; Mrs Bapps
(nee fruitloop); Hobart Ian; Robin Stout... YOU.
Personally, I wouldn�t have the balls to ever approach
one of them and seriously accuse them of being twee.
So to do it to sinister as a whole isn�t exactly wise
either. I think its a pretty bloody ignorant statement
for anyone to suggest that sinister, as a whole, is
twee. 

Paisley: why didn't you just privately mail casarotto
instead of getting all "ooh! you're nothing more than
a big bad bully boy!" all over my inbox? Why did I
need to see that? Was it somehow significant to my
life as well?  I think not. Maybe I'm alone in that
thought, maybe this alone is slightly hypocritical and
I should have just mailed you myself, but fuck it,
I've got more stuff to say in this post than just
getting all hyper-PC about the twee issue....

And so I continue....

I've just returned from a long weekend with the
boyfriend at his house. A nice weekend, involving
ridiculous amounts of booze, watching Teachers on DVD,
and coming home to find my brother had tidied my room
for me. Bonus.

Incidentally: while watching the box, I noticed B&S
were played as background music on Fame Academy
yesterday. Bet they are going to enjoy some ker-ching
as a result, in royalties. Boy with the Arab Strap if
you must know, and I was only watching cos my
boyfriend was watching it and I made him sit through a
Halley Mills film earlier in the day. That�s not twee
by the way � that�s doing it cos there was fuck all
else on telly.

Love,

Idles

(I'm relieved to see that a discussion of tweeness is
going on here - makes a change to those mid-atlantic
picnic posts, no offence to the posters of those, just
get it over and done with already, and enjoy your cake
and stop making me wish I was there. How do you have a
picnic in the middle of the sea, I wonder?)

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From hobart at xxx.uk  Sun Aug 24 20:34:36 2003
From: hobart at xxx.uk (ian)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:34:36 +0100
Subject: Sinister: affectations
Message-ID: <001e01c36a76$c41065c0$982a87d9@default>

okay, there's a continuation of the twee discussion at the top of this post.
if you're bored pantless of that by now (i wish i really COULD bore the
pants off people, it'd be a great trick, but anyway, i'm going off the
subject) just go to the bottom, where there's a nice b&s song rip-offy type
thing.

------------

this may be a shorter post (queue collective sigh of relief) than normal
because my arms are hurting from spending the afternoon being very un-twee
and a bit macho and cutting branches off trees.
not in a random, bad way you understand.  in a nice way, so that the sun
shines on the other plants a bit more and allows them to grow.
there's a metaphor there somewhere, but i can't be arsed to drag it out.

there have been some wise words here recently, notably from robin, edda (hi
edda) and idles.  some wise words, and some misunderstandings.

idleberry and robin, whilst you're correct in saying that, to some, tweeness
is an affectation it is equally true that to others it is not.  the reason
that element of belle and sebastian (and i'm not going to suggest for a
moment that its their entirety.  if the band weren't multi-faceted, they
wouldn't appeal to such a wide range of people) appeals to some of us is
that it reflects something we feel inside ourselves.
  yes, some people may be chasing the twee stereotype (and i maintain that
there are worse ones to chase) but to others of us, the 't' factor (as we
probably won't call it ever again) connects with something fundamental and
pre-existent inside ourselves.  we don't have twee tendencies because we
listen to belle and sebastian but we may find that one of the reasons we
like belle and sebastian is that they can, at times, be a bit twee.

'the boy with naivety succeeds
at the final moment i cried
i always cry at endings'

one of my favourite lines and, to my mind, more than a little t-w-e-e.

of course you're correct that a lot of it comes down to how you define the
word - you may have noticed, for example, that i don't see twee in QUITE the
same way as certain others on this list (now, where did i put that paddle?).
robin sees tweeness as something shallow, whereas i believe it can be (but
is not always) more fundamental than that.

and if i seemed to suggest that sinister was entirely twee, then i should
not have done so.  clearly, that was incorrect.  however, to deny that the
element is there is equally incorrect: there are those of us who identify
with that word, and to whom it reflects something we feel within ourselves.
and, when we came here and discovered it here, it was rather a lovely thing
to find.
 so, to be told that what we're feeling within is, in actual fact, an
affectation - or some deluded aspiration - comes as something of a shock.

after all.. if this is an affectation, what else is?  maybe the whole gay
thing was a lie too, and i should be out shagging birds (as i believe the
terminology goes) as we speak.
really... please don't tell me what i do and don't feel within.  not unless
you happen to be one of the voices in my head.  (oh my god, you aren't, are
you?  did i imagine you all?)



but, you're right... , tweeness can at times be an affectation.  as can
anything.

whenever you view the present through what came before it, you don't see the
moment for what it is.  your view is distorted by previous events, by
'experience', by prejudice and by a pre-conceived idea of what 'you' might
be.  if you spend too much time building up a 'you', based on ideas of what
that should look, feel and think like, you forget that inside there there's
a vibrant, sentient being, capable of responding to any moment with
freshness and spontaneity, capable of being so much more than you've ever
been before as long as you don't go dumping the past or any ideas of what
'should' be on top of it.

everything we cling to is affectation.  let it go, and become what you are,
right now.

but that's easier said than done, innit?  it may be daft to become attached
to a word, but then, that word can offer a lot of comfort.  for now, though,
maybe its time to let it go.

twe
    e
        e
            e
                e
                    e
                        e
                            e
                                e
                                    e
                                        e
                                            e

                                                    THUD

there.  i am no longer twee.  i am simply me.  ooh, that sounds like a poem.
of a sort.  and, with that in mind, here's an affectation that i prepared
earlier:

(OKAY EVERYBODY THAT SKIM-READ THE TOP BIT, THANKS FOR NOT INSTANTLY
PRESSING DELETE.  HERE'S THE POINT WHERE YOU MIGHT WANT TO START READING
AGAIN).

you know the tune - tigermilk, track two..

monday morning wake up knowing that
you've got to go to work
though last night you drank ten pints
and acted like a total jerk
do you want to be a builder,
wear some pants that show your arse?
stand on scaffolding, and leer and shout at women as they pass?

and you tell them you'll no longer be a
queer one any more
wearing white and drinking alcopops
has become such a bore
your obsession gets you known all round the
scene for being strange
and they laugh and bitch about you
when they think you're out of range

in the queue for lunch, you change your mind
an indie kid you'll be
so you throw out all the kylie and you buy an
nme
and in there you find opinions
and you claim them as your own
but you keep that barry white tape
'for the irony alone'

you're confused, you're being used
and you're trying to be
something good, something new
and if it all seems hopeless now
well just be thankful you aint twee-ee

monday morning wake up knowing that you've
got to go to work
so you ditch the denim
flares
and fumble for a tie and shirt
do you love the corporation?  cause they sure as
fuck love you
just as long as you're of use to them,
and after that you're screwed

tell a mailing list that something doesn't feel so
very right
and at times it seems existence is a dull
and weary fight
they'll stick up for you, perhaps, if they see something
good inside
so you live life by computer - it seems
somewhere safe to hide

at the end of it, you age, perhaps the
layers drop away
or perhaps you build identity to help
you through the day
do you live life for the moment, do you
scrabble to pretend?
does the answer
to that question change the way the story
ends?

you've been used, you're confused
are you me?  are you you?
write a song, i'll sing along
not for a reason, just because,
i think that it might be fun to do.

--------------

yeah... words, music, definitions... its all so... false...man
i think it might have been lester bangs (although, equally, it might have
been lorraine kelly) who said that writing about music was like dancing
about architecture.

and i know that it was edda that said:

*I'll admit that telling people that I
*listen to indie is more of an statement than a fact, cause I know that even
*though they would tell me the same, they are too listening to "crazy in
*love" and shaking there booty. Or at least here... I don't know how it is
*with you guys....

and she's right.  and, somewhere underneath the 'hello kitty' notepaper i
never owned, i'm pretty sure there's a destiny's child cover of frank lloyd
wright's greatest hits.  and i'm just dying to get my groove on.

until next time, my dears, all i have to say to you is

do wah diddy diddy dum diddy do

no, that wasn't it

but it'll do

xx
ian

that wasn't a short mail at all, was it?

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From Sillylorna at xxx.com  Sun Aug 24 22:24:43 2003
From: Sillylorna at xxx.com (Sillylorna at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:24:43 -0400
Subject: Sinister: bye bye!
Message-ID: <6DA6ECAD.3B7010CA.0CBD0065@aol.com>

Hey guys,

This is just a quick email to say thanks and bye to everyone on the list, I've been on here for bout 18 months now and I've now gone back to being a metal head.. arghhh! lol

I'll still go and see B&S and stuff, except I never get time like I use to (wen i was a student i might add!) to read through all your posts.

I hope you're all well, especially Rachel sunnyset and Belle!

See ya,
Lorna
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From innerlemming at xxx.com  Mon Aug 25 06:09:52 2003
From: innerlemming at xxx.com (laurel lemming)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:09:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: content? you decide
Message-ID: <20030825050952.30049.qmail@web41007.mail.yahoo.com>

well, stuart d. *was* content (accent on the first
syllable), so maybe this counts:

http://www.thestranger.com/current/books2.html

anyhow, ignore it if it's not news to you, and thanks
to the media scouts who've been posting all the links
to b+s news lately ;]

lem, who's been enjoying the recent excitement of
"Dear Catastrophe Waitress" and looks forward to more
petty/profound arguments about the nature of tweedom
as we all get worked up and nervous about The Sound of
Belle and Sebastian on Trevor Horn, and who is proud
to say that she's a bit twee herself

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From bulkdavid at xxx.com  Mon Aug 25 06:27:27 2003
From: bulkdavid at xxx.com (David Hewitt)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:57:27 +0930
Subject: Sinister: Sure, I like twee kids. But I couldn't eat a whole one.
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G'day all.

Bloody marvellous, this 'twee' controversy, isn't it? The list is a better 
read now than it has been in ages. Hats off, to everyone involved. I'll try 
not to spoil it.

YOU CAN'T SEE THE WOOD FOR THE TWEES

You know, I can usually identify all the subcultures around me. I can hang a 
label off pretty much every other table at the pub. Except the one that my 
mates are sitting at. I haven't a clue how we're seen. We're all 
individuals, you see - too diverse and too complex to bung a label on. We 
wear what we like and listen to what we genuinely enjoy, because we 
understand and appreciate it. Impossible to pigeonhole, really.

But you know what? I bet some bloke at every other table in the pub thinks 
exactly the same thing.

It's a question of how close you get to something. My mates are as different 
as chalk and cheese. Musical tastes all over the place. I can't understand 
how some of them can shitcan the Smiths, and they can't understand how I can 
shitcan the Pixies. Personalities, tastes and styles all over the shop. It's 
a wonder we're friends, really.

But hang on.

Nobody's listening to gangster rap or Celine Dion, nobody's wearing Kappa or 
Prada. We don't soup up our cars or play footy. Nobody's got that funny 
little chain attached to their wallet, or a tie-dyed shirt, or dreadlocks, 
or a wolfshirt. So stand back a bit. We're obviously something. There's 
stuff in common. There's probably a big, obvious label attached, but I'll be 
damned if I can read it from here. And I very much doubt we get any say in 
what's written on it.

You could probably say the same for this group of people. I'm not as well 
travelled or as old-school as many, but I've had the very great pleasure of 
meeting a reasonable cross-section of listees on several continents. And 
again, we've not got much in common. Not even the whole Belle and Sebastian 
thing, in a lot of cases.

But, there's obviously something. Fucked if I know what it is, though, 
because I'm probably used to taking it completely for granted. From the 
outside, it might look like it's 'tweeness'. I loathe the word, personally, 
and it's not one I'd ever self-apply. But maybe it's an easy term with which 
to generalise and exaggerate a certain quality (one where clinging to 
child-like, though not child-ish, attributes is seen as a virtue) from the 
OUTSIDE. It's when you try to take on board and embody this stereotype that 
it gets to be problematic.

TO TWEE OR NOT TO TWEE?

'Twee', by definition, means "overly precious or nice" or "affectedly dainty 
or refined". Emphasis on 'overly' and 'affectedly'. It's a negative term. It 
perhaps refers to a quality that might otherwise be desirable, but cases 
where there's simply too much of it, or where it's put on. I think 'twee', 
as it's commonly understood, is a grotesque caricature of a sensibility in 
which nostalgia and gentleness are considered to be things worth preserving, 
in the face of cynicism.

So, I think the thing that we are, for which we can't ever seem to agree on 
a word, is a valuable and positive thing. The exaggerated or affected 
version of this thing is called 'twee', and that's perhaps how some of us 
are seen and labelled from the outside (though not me - I'm somewhere 
between a geek and a square these days). So perhaps it's simply a matter of 
subverting the word. Embracing the stereotype and taking it back. Maybe 
that's what some of you are trying to do by (re)claiming it. I hope so.

I've very much enjoyed Hobart's posts recently. I think in his defence of 
'twee', he put his finger on exactly the quality we're talking about. The 
only point on which I disagree with him is his choice of word to apply to 
that quality. I don't think what he's talking about is excessive or 
affected, or indeed the sort of thing that would get up Mark Casarotto's 
nose. But I'll be damned if I can think of a better word to suggest for it.

BORN TWEE

I was particularly interested in Hobart's point about how affectation can 
actually become a part of a person. I think this is something that we're all 
aware of, but probably struggle against or (on the occasions where we've 
embraced it or even actively sought it out as a beneficial thing) flat-out 
deny. It was quite remarkable to hear this process discussed in a forum like 
this in such a positive and candid manner. Kudos.

There are things about ourselves that we hide, and other things that we 
exaggerate. It might be in order to fit in with our own ideas of ourselves, 
or with someone else's idea about how we should be. We do it at work, we do 
it when we're on the pull. Some of us do it pretty much all the time, when 
we pretend to be grown-ups. These little tensions, with which we are pushed 
and pulled, are part of what help shape us, and it'd be a mistake to dismiss 
them as meaningless, simply because they seem superficial and phoney.

Sometimes, that bandwagon you jump on when you're 15 even drops you off 
somewhere better than where you were, or at least lets you take a few 
postcards back with you, that might stay stuck to the front of a very 
different, older and wiser person's fridge for years to come.

NOT MY CUP OF TWEE

There's not too much that could be said about everyone on this list, 
collectively. There's a fair proportion of you that I feel really fond of, 
and a few of you who get on my tits. I do think, though, for the most part, 
that there's a certain sensibility here. It's a literate, thoughtful, 
imaginative and tolerant sensibility, and one in which things like 
wistfulness, stargazing and daydreaming are as important as chest-beating. 
It's also a place where it seems that more listening is done than talking 
(or more reading than writing, if you prefer), which I think makes it unique 
amongst Internet communities.

I can understand people not liking being all lumped in together. Nobody 
does. The whole 'checklist of several appropriate bands along with reference 
showing I was into them before everyone else followed by stock footage of 
botched sexual encounter' gets on my nellie as well. It's certainly not what 
I'm about.

My point (you didn't think I had one, did you?) is that it's too easy to see 
how 'we' are all different, and how 'they' are all the same. A small (okay, 
not that small), arrogant, superior bit of me would like to think that it's 
true. But then I'd also like to think that it's just a matter of what you 
choose to pay attention to.

Incidentally, I thought Idleberry's definitions were spot on.

OTHER STUFF

Erm, the new Sodastream album is really good. If I could do so without 
making insultingly sweeping generalisations about people's tastes in music, 
I'd suggest you all pick up a copy at your earliest convenience. As it is, 
however, I'll have to let you decide for yourselves.

Oh, and forgive me if this is all a little rushed and incoherent. I'm meant 
to be working, but I couldn't resist putting my 2c in. You know how it is.

Bulk love,
-David.

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From innerlemming at xxx.com  Mon Aug 25 07:35:41 2003
From: innerlemming at xxx.com (laurel lemming)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:35:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: twee the clock around
Message-ID: <20030825063541.27407.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com>

...and I meant to add, to jump into the fray here,
that on July 31 I received this email with the subject
"twee: Word of the Day":

>The Word of the Day for Aug 01 is:

>twee \TWEE\ adjective

>chiefly British : affectedly or excessively dainty,
>delicate, cute, or quaint

>Example sentence:
>Thatched-roof birdhouses with posies in the windows
>are a bit too twee for Annalese, who doesn't go in
>much for cutesiness.

>Did you know?
>Most adults wouldn't be caught dead saying, "Oh, look
>at the tweet 'ittle birdie!" (at least not to anyone
>over the age of three), but they probably wouldn't be
>averse to saying, "He went fishing with his dad,"
"She >works as a nanny," or "Hey, buddy, how's it
going?" >Anyone who uses "dad," "nanny," or "buddy"
owes a debt >to "baby talk," a term used for both the
childish >speech adults adopt when addressing
youngsters and for >the speech of small children who
are just learning to >talk. "Twee" also originated in
baby talk, as an >alteration of "sweet." In the early
1900s, it was a >term of affection, but nowadays
British speakers and >writers, and, increasingly,
Americans as well, use >"twee" for things that have
passed beyond agreeable >and into the realm of
cloying.

>*Indicates the sense illustrated in the example
>sentence."

what I find interesting about this commentary on the
word--apart from finding it in my inbox instead of in
my Sinister folder--is that it even mentions
Americans' use of the word. in my experience, fewer
Americans know "twee" than they do most other
British-isms.

I think, like any other description, "twee" can be
used in a critical and negative way, as in the last
part of that definition. however, I think it can be
used with affection--though not affected affection or
cloying affection, I suppose. just a touch of
twee-ness might be good for everyone. wouldn't want to
have too much twee, you might find it hard to stand
up.

laurel "going to bed now" lemming

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From stoutrobin at xxx.com  Mon Aug 25 11:13:44 2003
From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:13:44 +0000
Subject: Sinister: She wore gold shoes with diamante, like Kylie wore on TV
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David put his two cents in:

<< I think the thing that we are, for which we can't ever seem to agree on a 
word, is a valuable and positive thing. The exaggerated or affected version 
of this thing is called 'twee', and that's perhaps how some of us are seen 
and labelled from the outside.. >>

I think David is very wise. I don't know what I'm going to do with those two 
cents in Wales, though. Probably try stuffing them in vending machines to 
see if they give me crisps. I wish that they would. I haven't had any money 
to spend all weekend, so have been re-using teabags and living on tins. 
Well, I tried living on tins but I kept falling off. Last night I was so 
bored at being in on a Bank Holiday Sunday that me and my housemate set up a 
bar in the living room to pretend we were in the pub. It would have been fun 
except I was thrown out for flicking coins on the bar. People keep giving me 
free food so I don't waste away. Yesterday someone gave me a cake and a 
mango. I'm not sure what to do with the mango. I think I'll put it on the 
sideboard and look at it. It scares me. We don't have mangos in 
Kidderminster, you see.

During our 'pub' conversation we were reading Cosmopolitan. Apparently my 
"Sex Animal" is a dolphin. Not quite sure what I'm supposed to hold on to, 
but okay, whatever they say. I told my friend about how I know someone who 
writes articles for Take A Break Magazine, you know, the one that has 
stories like "My husband shot my dog and had him made into shoes but I still 
love him". Apparently, this friend of mine has sent in a story on how she 
overcame her fear of crocodiles, but, because she'd made it all up and 
didn't have any photos of herself with a crocodile, she sent in one of my 
sister instead. Needless to say my sister wasn't to pleased.

I've decided that writing for Take A Break sounds like a good idea. I would 
write about how I am a bigamist with four wives, who i see on a four-week 
cycle under the pretence of a job working in submarines. Coincidentally, 
these four wives are best friends and are constantly telling each other how 
great their husbands (me) are, and how it's such a shame that the others 
can't meet him, because whenever i'm 'off the submarine' all they want to do 
is have me to themselves for hot and steamy nights of bonking. So I'm 
married to these women because I figure that it is my duty to make women 
happy, but the one woman I truly love, a barmaid called Glenda, is actually 
having it off with the vicar's wife! Oh, how shall I ever be truly happy?

I reckon I could get a few quid for that one.

The funny thing about this debate on 'twee' is that it's been happening on 
Sinister, off and on, for the last squillion years. It's an eternal mystery 
of the universe. I reckon we'll be arguing about it for years and years only 
to come to the conclusion that 'twee' is good and bad *at the same time* 
and, anyway, lets all just love one another, I'm having a party on Tuesday 
and I've booked a naked lady to jump out of a cake. Something like that.

If you type in 'twee' into the Sinister Archive, you get this: 
http://www.missprint.org/cgi-bin/anylistsearch.cgi?query=twee&list=sinister&smode=Phrase

I had a look through some of the posts that appeared, and decided I liked 
this comment from Nick Dastoor the best:

<< Are you happy for Belle & Sebastian to be pigeonholed as 'twee'?
You see I think that's pretty faint praise. I'd say that an example
of a song that is 'excessively sentimental' (Collins Dictionary) is
something like 'Tomorrow' from 'Annie'. Is this the kind of music
you see as B&S's musical antecedent? >>

Of course, that comment was written in 1924, when we were all wearing 
knickerbockers and worrying about the corrupting effect of mass importation 
of 'bananas' from the Indies, but I think it's still relevant today.

It's not that i'm offended by being seen as twee because in fact i am hard, 
or anything like that. I just think it is an inaccurate label, applied when 
all people really mean is they appreciate love, animals, biscuits, books, 
things that are scorned a little by your average gym instructor. I was once 
in a bookshop and a stranger called my coat twee. "No", I said, "It's not 
twee, it's tweed". Aww, I used to love that coat. I lost it on a train to 
Swansea and never saw it again.


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From belle1974 at xxx.com  Mon Aug 25 11:28:08 2003
From: belle1974 at xxx.com (Jennifer Juniper)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 03:28:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: la show.
Message-ID: <20030825102808.84467.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com>

hi kids!  

i am sure i am not the only one who will write in with
a review or musings about the show this evening but i
just have the compelling desire to share right now. 
okay, it could be because i am still a bit drunk from
the after-show at the derby.  i also had my first
cigarette in over a year tonight so you will have to
forgive my candidness.

the show was strange.  at least it was a strange
experience for me.  i have been into the band since
1997 and went so far as to go to chicago from la to
see them in 1998 because i thought it was the closest
they were ever going to get to me.  and seeing the
show proved me right.  it was a miracle they got
through a song without falling apart.  it was
beautiful because it felt like you were witnessing a
miracle in the making.  tonight, much like how they
were two years ago, they were a different band.  they
are so much more professional and together now.  last
tour i was impressed, this time i was left with the
empty feeling that my band had disappeared.  the
beauty and fragility were gone and replaced by slick
production.  don't get me wrong, the new songs are
lush and very complex.  they are a more mature band
now, but something was missing even from the old songs
they played. mind you i was up in the cheap seats of
section b row a.  it was the best i could do after
missing the pre-sale in june.  i had to wade through
wrestling fans and people picking up harry potter
books for those tickets.  tonight the band just seemed
so small and far away.  the intensity was missing from
the show for me.  i am used to being up close where i
can watch their every move and enjoy every moment. 
tonight, i was remote and cut off from the band.  i
was even feeling cut off from the fans until i went up
to the "party" section at the top of the theatre.  i
felt like i couldn't dance and enjoy the show from
where i was sitting.  that is the thing, i was sitting
and so was everyone around me.  the pit wasn't even
moving around too much. when i noticed all the fun
that was going on in cheap seats, i gave up my good
viewing point in lieu of getting to dance and have a
great time..  belle and sebastian, they will always
have a place in my heart but they have moved on. the
people at the show were the usual suspects but there
were new people there as well.  i look forward to
hearing the new cd, but just remind me for next time
that i have to be in the pit to enjoy the show. 
otherwise i feel like i am on another world from them.

cheerios,


jennifer juniper

p.s.  so what was in the treasure chest for la?  i
would really love to find out!  :o)

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From lucyalder at xxx.com  Mon Aug 25 11:57:32 2003
From: lucyalder at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucy=20Alder?=)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:57:32 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: You make me wanna...
Message-ID: <20030825105732.88440.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear old Sinister

How I love it when the student types among us return to their free-use
computers and the list explodes into frenzied argument.

For the record, I own two pairs of mary janes (one red, one blue), a pair
of ballet slippers (black) and several pairs of kick-ass ultra-high
stilettos, with which I will stab you in various parts of the body so that
you kind of resemble Saint Sebastian, if only he were patron saint of
cobblers instead of Bartholomew, if you ever DARE to call me twee.

I’ve liked Ian’s posts and agree with Mr Hewitt that he’s describing
something quite right and legitimate, just with the wrong word.  Would
good, old-fashioned Sensitivity work?  But reclaim twee and give it
positive connotations if you must.  It’s been done with other words, after
all.

I am glad there is so much talk about people liking the Aislers Set. 
Anyone wishing to discuss the T-word with Miss Linton may come to the
Winchester Club on October 17th for an EENOI (that’s Extremely Exciting
Night Of Incredibleness, by the way) when not only the Aislers Set but
also the Lucksmiths will be playing for us.  *Lucy gets up, runs around
the room several times, jumps around a bit and does a couple of snoopies
to try to work off the excitement*

I’d like to welcome Edda, who introduced herself by referring to virginity
in her subject line, then saying “I also do modeling now and then” and “I
don't have a boyfriend” and talking about booty shaking.  I predict that
before long her inbox will be swamped with shy boys asking if, huh huh,
she’s on Friendster.  I like this girl’s style :)

I heard Stay Loose at the weekend.  Blimey!  It’s fantastic.  Kind of what
I wished they’d done a couple of albums ago.  Kind of what I’d hoped for
after I heard Shoot the Sexual Athlete.  It’s got so much *sound*.  It’s
so full – it makes the other records sound a bit weedy in comparison. 
Well, perhaps weedy's the wrong word.  Maybe they’re just a bit more
delicate.  Let’s have a crap analogy – it’s like Seurat got pissed off
with pointillism, got out his big brushes and came out with something
Rothko would have been proud of.  Does that make sense?  Sort of?  I
predict that sections of this list will positively hate it (not much of a
prediction after – who was it? – did that Chu-style pastiche).

Finally, thanks to Laurel for the book review.  I will henceforth refer to
Nalda Said as The Crappy Diamond.

Bye bye

Juicy Lucy


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From irivamon at xxx.com  Mon Aug 25 17:31:01 2003
From: irivamon at xxx.com (Ian Rivamonte)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:31:01 -0700
Subject: Sinister: B&S L.A. Moments!!
Message-ID: <BAY2-DAV14XAwzirS9Z0001ae1e@hotmail.com>

This time it's L.A.  I was at the pit at the very front of Stuart.  I asked
Stuart after he sang Jonathan David, "Stuart!  Can we come on stage again
like in Berkeley?"  He had a grin on his face and he said, "You can come
up!"  I didn't know what to do until they launched into Dirty Dream #2.  I
knew what I was in for.  Stuart signalled me to go up and I did.  I wasn't
afraid being on stage.  I was in this state of euphoria where I couldn't
hear anything or see anything.  All I saw was Stuart and the mic stand.  I
proceeded to say the first line, "In a town so small, there's no escaping
you."  Then I backed away.  This time, I was deathly afraid because I didn't
know the exact wording of the second line.  So, with my Liam Gallagher
impersonation (I had to do it!  When am I ever going to do it in front of
10,000 people?) I said the same line.  Nobody seemed to notice.  Then I
completed the third line.  I began bouncing up and down like crazy, raising
my arms "Arsenio Hall" style in the air!  Then I heard the crowd cheering
for me and they all went mad!  I immediately went down from the stage so
Stuart can finish the song.  I was received with lots of compliments and
pats on the back from the pit crowd.

Then, after B&S played an awesome rendition of "Video Killed the Radio
Star," they played "Judy and the Dream of Horses."  If you were following my
previous story, this is the song that Stuart invited everyone to go on stage
and dance.  After the first verse, he invited people on stage.  Of course, I
was there with them!  It was so cool!!!  Then Connor from Bright Eyes danced
with me and I just couldn't control my happiness, joy, and my moment of
child-like actions.  I was jumping like mad!!  Dancing and just big smiles
all around, giving high fives to the group of people around me on stage for
instigating this whole thing.  Then I gave Stuart a hug telling him thank
you for the most wonderful night of my life.  Then I got the setlist.

As I was exiting the venue, random people started coming up to me
congratulating and complimenting me for my performance.  I didn't know what
to say, other than "thank you?"  At Fred's 62, I also got applauses.  At the
Derby, same reaction.

There goes my moment of fame.  Today it will be forgotten by all.  But it
will live in eternity with me.  Thanks for reading.

Cheers,
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From irivamon at xxx.com  Mon Aug 25 17:33:26 2003
From: irivamon at xxx.com (Ian Rivamonte)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:33:26 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Anybody know Dave - Took pics at L.A. show?
Message-ID: <BAY2-DAV703OCcSkpLi00001124@hotmail.com>

I don't know if Dave is on this list, but he took a mini video of me singing
those 3 lines of Dirty Dream #2 in L.A.  I lost the piece of paper with his
e-mail address!!

Dave is a tall fella, at least 6'1", skinny, semi-long hair, and was wearing
a black Dandy Warhols shirt.  He was at the pit with me.  I vaguely remember
his e-mail address but it had something to do with animals.

Anyways, Dave, please e-mail me!  If you know of this guy, please forward
him this message.  Thanks!

Cheers,
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From stoutrobin at xxx.com  Mon Aug 25 22:08:28 2003
From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:08:28 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Dear Catastrophe Waitress - Exclusive!!
Message-ID: <BAY7-F29s9aAOPpBpcX000064c7@hotmail.com>

Yesterday a waitress gave me a mango. Inspired by said waitress and said 
mango I decided to have a go at working out the lyrics to Dear Catastrophe 
Waitress.


Dear Catastrophe Waitress
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Waitress, I love your knees,
Your earl grey teas,
Your chintz and gingham charms.

When I wanted spaghetti,
You came over to serve me,
Carrying plates all up your arms.

<<10-minute maracas solo>>

I thought, thought that you loved me,
When you gave me extra hot water with my pot of tea,
But what came next was a catastrophe:
You didn't give me spaghetti, no,
You gave me a shepherd's pie instead,
Yeah, a shepherd's pie instead.

<<Stuart reads a passage from 'The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe', over 
the sound of a dog being dipped into a bucket of paint>>

Dear catastrophe waitress,
I don't love you anymore,
Dear catastrophe waitress,
I want a refund.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++


I think this will be my favourite song on the album. Not so sure about that 
maracas solo, though. I blame Trevor Horn.

r x

ps: Today is Stuart Lee Murdoch's birthday. I've decided to bake him a cake 
and send it to him in an envelope. He'll love that. I think it must be 
sinister's birthday soon. Maybe we could have a party and hire a naked lady 
to jump out of a big cake.

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From idleberry at xxx.com  Mon Aug 25 22:55:26 2003
From: idleberry at xxx.com (idleberry)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:55:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: more B&S fantasy lyrics
Message-ID: <20030825215526.62188.qmail@web41115.mail.yahoo.com>

hey folks

two posts in as many days... you lucky lucky things. 

Inspired by Robin's post, I thought I'd throw my hat
into the ring. When I saw the track listings for the
new album, one of the song titles stuck out, and
reminded me of another song. Until the album is
released, I thought I'd just sing the new B&S song to
the tune of the old song. Feel free to join in if you
know what song I'm talking about.

*******************************************
"(I Believe In) Travellin' Light"

I believe in travellin' light
I believe in travellin' light
Wheels are made for rollin'
Mules are made to pack
I never seen a sight
that didn't look better lookin' back
I believe in travellin' light

Mud can make you pris'ner and
The plains can make you dry
Snow can burn your eyes
But only people make you cry
Home is made for comin' from
For dreams of goin' to
Which, with any luck
will never come true

I believe in travellin' light
I believe in travellin' light
Do I know where hell is?
Hell is in hello
Heaven is goodbye forever
It's time for me to go

I believe in travellin' light
I believe in travellin' light

When I get to heaven
Tie me to a tree
Or I'll begin to roam
And soon you'll know where I'll be

I believe in travellin' light
I believe in travellin' light

*******************************************

I think it works rather well, you may agree. 

i thank yew

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From miss_karren_gill at xxx.com  Tue Aug 26 00:55:10 2003
From: miss_karren_gill at xxx.com (Karren Gill)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:55:10 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Happy Birthday Stuart Murdoch!
Message-ID: <Law10-F33W7mNEYnkZv0000b742@hotmail.com>

For anyone who might've forgot, it's Stuart's birthday today (august 25th)! 
(just thought i'd distract you all from the twee war going on ;)

karren


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From stoutrobin at xxx.com  Tue Aug 26 10:35:33 2003
From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:35:33 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Lord Anthony - Exclusive!!
Message-ID: <BAY7-F100Kx0893Ask500013ce4@hotmail.com>

Hullo, it's me again.

Will people get upset if I post the lyrics to Stay Loose? I'll mark the 
email with BIG LETTERS if you're trying not to open your presents till 
christmas. I was trying too as well, but I lasted about five seconds.

For anyone who doesn't know the lyrics for Lord Anthony, we had a go at 
working them out a few years ago. The first attempt was by Chris "Bendy" 
Leonard:

>Lord Anthony, your little dog
>Keeps trying to lick my face
>It's a disgrace yes a disgrace.
>Trained dogs should not jump on boys
>Are you stupid?
>You're not fit to have a dog Lord Anthony.

It eventually turned out that Christopher's version was spot on, except for 
the bit about the dog.

Peter "Windy" Miller had a go with this:

>------------------------------------------------
>Ladybird pants and socks and vest,
>My mum buys them, she knows best,
>Clark's shoes shiny, scuff-proof, have you seen?
>I had to go on the tickly foot measuring machine,
>My smart new trousers, it's plain to see,
>Were made for poofters by Lord Anthony!
>
>Lord Anthony, Lord Anthony,
>Helped by gnomes and a little fairy!
>Lord Anthony, Lord Anthony
>Reasonable prices, but not for free!
>-------------------------------------------------

These were also very close to the real lyrics, apart from the verse and the 
chorus.

I wonder what the proper lyrics are. Hmmm. Hmmmmmmm.... Oh! They're here: 
http://www.missprint.org/sinister/lyrics.html

bye!

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From paulo_stinsoni at xxx.com  Tue Aug 26 12:25:57 2003
From: paulo_stinsoni at xxx.com (Paulo Stinsoni)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:25:57 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Sometimes I still feel the bruise up my arse
Message-ID: <Law9-F117asBrqUTLLs000126c9@hotmail.com>

>Shortest post ever!

Not quite.

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From paulo_stinsoni at xxx.com  Tue Aug 26 13:04:05 2003
From: paulo_stinsoni at xxx.com (Paulo Stinsoni)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:04:05 +0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <Law9-F51vXsn2Yf0scL00003b7b@hotmail.com>

Hello,

Crikey, you lot like a fight don't you.

I haven't been offended by anything I've read so far.  It's a bit of a laugh 
really.

I wasn't unhappy that day, I didn't care if I did the sex thing with Sarah 
or not.  It didn't matter.  I just melted away to those beautiful words.  
Can we all agree on beautiful words?

I was unhappy though.  I was unhappy that I couldn't bring back those 
innocent days of my youth.  Treasure them kids, you'll be unhappy when you 
lose them too.

Here are some more beautiful words; Shakespear's:

"What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;"

So twee, indie, chamber pop.  It don't matter.  Love it like you love your 
partner.


Love to you all, each and every one.

I'll see if my friend James will burn A CD for all you who have asked for a 
tape.

Bye

Paulo


PS - I like lots of other music too, anyone into: Filthy Acid Techno - Hmm 
Liberator DJ's, Big Beat (a bit), Indie, Old Indie (Smiths, Echo and the 
Bunnymen), Manchester (Stone Roses, Mondays), Banghra, Roysopp, Air, Some 
French rapping is really cool, fogotten the names though, other stuff I 
can't remember?

I used to like a splash of Iron Maiden, but I was about 13.

I bloody hate Pop Idol though.  Jimi Hendrix would never have been picked.

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From irivamon at xxx.com  Tue Aug 26 16:57:37 2003
From: irivamon at xxx.com (Ian Rivamonte)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:57:37 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Audio, Video, or Photos of B&S California Shows?
Message-ID: <BAY2-DAV23XxfiLzGze0001b511@hotmail.com>

Hello Sinister,

Still coming off my B&S high this past week.  I was wondering if anyone has
documented the shows either by audio, video, or photos (digital or real)
that people are willing to share.  Of course, I will fully reimburse any
out-of-pocket costs you might incur.

Please e-mail!  Thanks guys!

Cheers,
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From blind_lisa at xxx.com  Tue Aug 26 19:22:54 2003
From: blind_lisa at xxx.com (Rachel fruitloop-Apps)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:22:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: B&S on KCRW - NOW!
Message-ID: <20030826182254.81795.qmail@web9303.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Everyone!

Belle & Sebastian are about to be on KCRW this morning (They say from
11:20, which is now!!!)

http://www.kcrw.org/online/

Whoo hoo!

love,
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From ianwatsonuk at xxx.com  Tue Aug 26 21:25:40 2003
From: ianwatsonuk at xxx.com (Ian Watson)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:25:40 +0000
Subject: Sinister: B&S on KCRW - NOW!
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That was the most hilariously inept thing I've heard in ages. Not the band
of course - they were magnificent. The DJ. He clearly knew nothing at all
about the group. For those of you who didn't hear it, my favourite bit was:

DJ: "So can you introduce the band for me? There's Belle and Sebastian of
course, but who else is here?"
Stuart: "..."

The questions he asked were uniformly awful and clueless, and Stuart got
more and more monosyllabic as the interview went on. Very funny, in a
cringeworthy kind of way.

Thanks to Rachel! 

And nice new ending to J&TDoH

ian

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From stoutrobin at xxx.com  Wed Aug 27 15:37:48 2003
From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:37:48 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Piazza, New York Catcher - Exclusive!!
Message-ID: <BAY7-F77FcduTf4Dh2x00014425@hotmail.com>

I found this little review of the new Belle and Sebastian album, where it 
mentions a few interesting things, notably the song "Piazza, New York 
Catcher":

http://www.parasol.com/catalog/newcart.asp?zoomtitle=65663&RRETURN=words%3Dbelle%2Band%2Bsebastian%26Submit1%2Ex%3D10%26Submit1%2Ey%3D9

On the basis of this article I thought I'd "imagineer" and "makeupify" the 
lyrics to Piazza, New York Catcher. I think it goes something like this:

::::::::::::::::::::::::

Piazza, New York Catcher
++++++++++++++++++++++++

You're the pitcher,
I'm the catcher,
You're John Major,
I'm Margaret Thatcher.
Why don't you come over to Number Ten?
We can watch Bergerac on the telly.

I'll never get over,
Our night in Kidderminster.
You're my Chancellor,
I'm your Prime Minister.
Why don't I come over to Number Eleven?
We can watch Columbo on the telly.

<<10-minute tuba and castanet solo>>

Forget about Norma,
I'll forget about Dennis.
But I'll never get over,
The size of your hampster.
Why don't we fly over to New York?
We can stay in and have a pi(a)zza.

<<Sound of schoolboys baiting badgers to fade..>>

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


I like this song a lot. It showcases the band's new thrash-metal sound. I'm 
not sure about the tuba solo, though. I blame Trevor Horn.

On the radio yesterday evening (or "morning" as you call it in America - ha 
ha! You crazy yanks!!) I heard B+S on the radio. They were ace.  Especially 
ace were the full version of Scooby Driver and Lord Anthony. Unfortunately, 
Lord Anthony still doesn't appear to have the verses about the naughty dog, 
but it still sounds good. You know, I reckon Lord Anthony is at least seven 
years old. He'll be in long trousers soon.

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From lucyalder at xxx.com  Wed Aug 27 15:53:40 2003
From: lucyalder at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucy=20Alder?=)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:53:40 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: Seeing Double?
Message-ID: <20030827145340.79063.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Sinister

This is a very short post (slap wrist) but it's chock full of content. 
Specifically, the new album cover shown on mtv.com

http://www.mtv.com/bands/az/belle_sebastian/353763/album.jhtml

is different from the one shown on amazon.co.uk

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0000C84MZ.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

So which is the real one?  Or are there different US/UK versions that
we'll need to fork out for?  Huh?

Juicy Lucy




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From LCarr at xxx.com  Wed Aug 27 18:00:12 2003
From: LCarr at xxx.com (Carr, Lisa)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:00:12 -0500
Subject: Sinister: Mid-Atlantic picnic update
Message-ID: <2A1A1A783477784D947B704230307EF0E8C9C3@was01exsvr05.webershandwick.com>

At the risk of prompting more bad jokes about eating in the middle of the
ocean, I've been asked to post an important announcement about the September
6 mid-Atlantic picnic:

Kim Girton, picnic organizer extraordinaire, has been struck by one of those
nasty computer viruses going around and has been forced to change her email
address.  If you are interesting in attending, please write to her at her
new email -- kg11053 at yahoo.com.  
(Kim is back in the Sinister nursery since switching to the new email
address, so all future picnic announcements will be sent off-list.)

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From blind_lisa at xxx.com  Wed Aug 27 19:37:49 2003
From: blind_lisa at xxx.com (Rachel fruitloop-Apps)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:37:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: When I was a boy I was KENfounded by CHU
Message-ID: <20030827183749.616.qmail@web9307.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Sinister!

Some really exciting things have happened this past weekend! I want
to share my Belle & Sebastian experience with you. That is what this
post is about.

Ben already posted about our trip to Berkeley to see the show on
Friday. I have to add that the Greek Theatre venue in Berkeley is
spectacular. It is gorgeous looking, almost bowl-shaped the way that
the stone step seating graduates up to the top, with gigantic stone
columns as the backdrop to the stage and lots of greenery surrounding
the area. The sound was so rich, much better than at the Greek
Theatre in Los Angeles, which actualy was pretty damn good. 

Before the Berkeley show, we met up at the International House Cafe
right by the venue. Toy Stephen was there, remember him from Sinister
days of yore? The wonderful Katie Odle and I both agreed (when her
boyfriend Jeremy and Ben weren't present, of course!) that Stephen is
a Hunk-a-saurus Rex. That is also where I met Deborah and Solomon,
the San Francisco Treasure Hunt planners. We talked a fair bit about
our experiences planning treasure hunts in LA and SF.  It was so
great. Up until that time, the treasure in SF had not been found.
Katie was determined to find the treasure after the show. As it got
closer to showtime, the dashing Ian Rivamonte showed up with a bunch
of his friends, and we had quite a nice gathering. As it turned out,
Katie and Jeremy solved the treasure hunt clues and went to the final
destination only to discover that the treasure had already been
claimed only moments before, according to Deborah by someone named
Kevin. Katie was very sad. But she is still a winner in my eyes.
*sniff*

Anyone who got photos of the Berekely show, if you have any with
Deborah and Solomon onstage, please let me know. They didn't get any
documentation of getting their medals, and would really like photos
if there are any out there.

Fast-forward to the Los Angeles meeting place - a field next to the
parking lot of the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles. It was just Ben and
myself for quite a while.  He set up the cricket stumps and I chased
the ball down the hill several times through the parking lot.  We
could hear the sound check, and they were playing "Video Killed The
Radio Star" and Ben so quickly put the pieces together that the DCW
(DICKWIPE?) producer was Trevor Horn of the Buggles. I wasn't so sure
it was actually Trevor singing or maybe just Stuart doing a really
good rendition of it. Adrian Rudloff arrived, as did Phil, my best
friend Vicky and The Treasure Hunt Winners Mandy, Crystal and Esther
along with Alex and Scott. It was so great to meet the people who
solved my and Peter Crooks' carefully orchestrated puzzle. I believe
it was Stuart who later said the winners are like the Charlie's
Angels, and I have to agree! Sat in the field, they were trying to
decide if they would sing a song with B&S onstage that night or
request a song, and if so, which song? They decided they'd like to
have a crack at "Family Tree" and sang it beautifully for us
picnickers.

It was brilliant because Katrina had left 3rd row tickets and
backstage passes for us at the box office, which Mandy and I
discovered when we went up to try to find her. The set was only
slightly different from that in Berkeley, from what I can recall. 
The people around us were mostly seated through the show, which was
odd, because everywhere I looked, people were standing up and
dancing.  So Ben, Mandy, Esther and Crystal and I stood up and danced
for a good number of songs. I wasn't about to sacrifice a good time
that was to be had just because I was sat by people who were
uninspired. We were all a bit nervous through the show, wondering
when Stuart would ask the Treasure Hunt winners and planners to go up
onstage.  Before we knew it, they left the stage! We were shocked.
They came back for an encore of "Video Killed The Radio Star" with
Trevor Horn on vocals. It was amazing, but I had a hard time enjoying
it because I was worried that Stuart forgot about the Treasure Hunt. 
Then came Judy And The Dream Of Horses, and Stuart said that he DID
forget about the Treasure Hunt, but that he would talk to Mandy
backstage.  I'd be lying if I said that we weren't all terribly
disappointed. It's pretty crap cos they even published with the clues
that going up to request a song or sing a song with the band was part
of the prize. I had seen what he had in store for the Treasure Hunt
planners up in Berkeley, as well, and so I had expectations (which is
the root of most turmoil in my life in general - expectations.)

Ian Rivamonte was a superstar again, and got to go onstage and so the
speaking bit in "Dirty Dream Number 2" and danced around like a
maniac, it was great! The boy with the dark curly hair and glasses
who did the speaking part in DD#2 in Berekely also returned to the
stage in LA to dance during "Judy and The Dream Of Horses."  Ian was
also onstage again, and got the setlist, which was:

Fuck This Shit
Expectations
There's Too Much Love
Step Into My Office, Baby
Like Dylan in the Movies
Travellin' Light
Women's Realm
Lord Anthony
If You Find Yourself Caught in Love
Scooby Driver
I Don't Love Anyone
The Boy with the Arab Strap
The State I Am In
Jonathan David
Dirty Dream #2
String Bean Jean
Roy Walker
Sleep the Clock Around
Video Killed the Radio Star
Judy and the Dream of Horses

After the show, Ben, Mandy, Crystal and Esther and I went backstage,
and had a seat in a corner. They even had the treasure with them,
which was inside of a Belle & Sebastian cereal box that I created to
house the treasure box from Stuart. One of the girls took the other
two's backstage passes and went out to find Alex and Scott and they
also came backstage.(super genius!)  First, we spotted Sarah, and I
let her know that the Treasure Hunt winners were sat in the corner
and that they would love to meet her and get a photo with her. She
said that she was going back to the area where the band were and she
would let Stuart know as well. It was great because as I saw memebrs
of Belle & Sebastian, I'd approach them and usher them over to the
girls for a chance to chat and get photos. I felt like I was their
agent or something. Stuart came over and gave us all shirts - the
ones that I designed the logo for! He explained that he forgot about
the Treasure Hunt, and also he had left the medals for me and Peter
at the hotel, and also Stevie allegedly was getting uptight about the
time because they ran over too late in Berkeley. Stuart left his
jacket at the table, so I put it on and went over to talk to him a
while later. On the way, I had a nice conversation with Marissa who
is the model on the cover of the 'Fans Only' DVD, and Lisa, who
bought Stuart's car.  Stuart said that he'd come over and get his
jacket from me before he left and that I could continue wearing it! I
was more than thrilled!

The band spent a lot of time in that backstage after-party area.
Chris came in urgently toward the end with his dj gear and was
heading over to The Derby where he'd be spinning. He quickly posed
with the Treasure Hunt kids and talked for a little bit.  His
moustache and glasses just reminded me of Ned Flanders from The
Simpsons!

Sarah said that the band might return to the States in October, but
most likely will play in cities they didn't get to go to on this
short tour. Stuart said that this time they wanted to do a few
outdoor summer shows so that everyone would get high and listen to
the tunes and take in the scenery.

I was very happy to finally meet the lovely Katrina House from
Banchory.  Despite the fact that she had her hands full, she was very
kind to us all.

After the backstage thing, Ben and I gave Richard and Dan the
engineer a ride to The Derby. I stupidly left my ID at home, and Mick
and Stuart didn't have theirs either and couldn't get into the club,
they were extremely strict at the door. We stood outside for a while,
speaking with Sarah and Mick and a couple of friends (Jane Rockwood
and Sandra Christiansen.) Ben and I decided to depart since it was
getting on past midnight and we had to work the next morning.  Most
of the band was going off to another location. Before we left, Ben
took a photo of me and Mick in the back of a Volvo!

If you'd like to see our photos, they are at www.brapps.net/belles/

I know this is getting obnoxiously long, so I'll try to wrap it up. 
Believe it or not, some of us have been fans of Belle & Sebastian for
*nearly* as long as Jennifer Juniper has, yet still enjoyed the show
immensely. Despite all of this personal contact I had with them this
time around, I have to keep in mind that it isn't going to always be
like that. I have learned my lesson the hard way in the past.
Sometimes one starts to expect special treatment and considers
themselves to be better connected to the band than they are.  The
best connection, in my opinion, is in my car singing along and
harmonizing with Ben.  Or in my bedroom, jumping on the bed listening
to "The Lonliness Of The Middle-Distance Runner." I think how you
feel about the music depends a lot on what sort of relationship you
have with it. I want to keep mine based on the essence of it; they
tend to make songs I enjoy and want to sing along and dance to.
Jennifer said "the beauty and fragility were gone and replaced by
slick production."  I have to disagree. I still noticed missed notes
and mixed up lyrics, as usual. Besides, if it really were such a
slick production, then the Treasure Hunt wouldn't have been
overlooked, don'tcha think?

If you missed B&S on KCRW yesterday, they have it archived on their
site at:
http://www.kcrw.com/cgi-bin/db/kcrw.pl?show_code=mb&tmplt_type=program
Just scroll down to "Recent Programs"

That's all from me for now!
love,
Rachel fruitloop-Apps




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From jayeckard at xxx.com  Thu Aug 28 02:44:43 2003
From: jayeckard at xxx.com (Jay Eckard)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:44:43 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Just call me the Fire Extweenguisher
Message-ID: <Law11-F532Q8xBBprMY000085a6@hotmail.com>

"That Mark Cassaratto is all class."
                               Eric Cheesybun

Dear Sinister:

   Oh my goodness! I leave for a few days and come back to have my eyebrows 
singed off by a flaming anti-Markelby(-being-anti-twee) post.
   Markelby for god's sake!
   Now, to be fair, I've never actually /met/ Mark so I can't say with 
undisputed certainty Mark is the above quoted All Class, but the quote does 
come from an undisputed source. I mean, most religious types get by with a 
lot less proof that god is Generally Quite Swell than I have for Mark being 
Class.
   BUT being a fine upstanding South'an Boy, I take to offense when people 
go shootin they mouth off 'bout people they don't know. I demand 
satisfaction! Be it pistols or swords, dawn works for me, Pais, but I don't 
recommend the blades.
  As for the rest of you lot, SHAME ON YOU for not rushing to Mark's 
defence, even if he is all butch and doesn't need it!

    (Umm. Just in case it needs to be said, the above is to be taken with a 
LIGHT HEART and HUMOUR. Judging from the firey posts, some have lost a bit 
of this.)

    As to being twee, all I know is that I took a test 
(http://www.howdoesitfeel.co.uk/) that told me I was 78% twee, which is 
"quite twee." And I may sometimes be quite twee, but sometimes I am quite 
fierce. So it balances out: "for every twee there is a Llew and a time to 
every purpose in Glasgow."

    Now, back to a much more proper post. I bring you, with only slight 
delay, from my Vacation to New York in which the much belov'd chantuers 
Belle and Sebastian some...

          ...INK POLARIODS!

***This is me, blinking in the early morning sun as I get in my car. It's a 
Little Red Car, a Neon in fact, which no longer has the pong of vomit in it. 
I'm not often up before noon, so I look dazed and frightened by the ball of 
fire glinting in the East. I have a good six hours of driving ahead of me 
and one very good mix tape with B&S, Camera Obscura, Le Tigre, the Yeah Yeah 
Yeahs and the Smiths.

***This is me, six hours later, stuck in standstill traffic in Maryland for 
no obvious reason. I stop from singing very loudly for a few minutes and 
grin as I realize Ben Affleck's place in God's Great Plan. He's in a movie 
-- The Sum of All Fears -- where Maryland is nuked. Ahh... the destruction 
of Ben and Maryland in one fell swoop. The Glory of the Lord truly shines 
through to me in this revelation. John, Schmohn. Patmos, schmatmos.

***This is me, running through the Brandywine Zoo. I've just been 
disappointed by the Bobcat (Who knew they were the size of a basset hound?) 
and am running up to see Jim, the Puma. Turns out Jim was dead. BUT there 
were Capybaras, the world's biggest rodent, and they are damn cool. They 
look like 100 pound guniea pigs. I realize later the absence of the otters 
could be explained by the fact there pen was next to these suckers. Munch 
Munch!

***Dusk in Prospect Park. I'm on the grass with my boots off, rubbing 
blisters and swearing I will never, ever move again. Ben Kweller is kwelling 
on stage and sounding a bit like Ben Folds before pubes.

***"Indiana Marple!" I have taken off my hat -- a rather smart straw panama 
-- and put it on Laura Llew's head. With her curls and wire frame glasses 
added to the hat, she looks like and odd fusion of heroes. I wonder if she 
will fight Nazis with teacups or use a bullwhip to solve murders in the 
English countryside. When Eric cries out the quote, I giggle for minutes on 
end. I am glad there's no milk around, as it'd come out my nose.

***Bubbles!! A flutter* of metros decked out in capri pants and tank tops is 
blowing bubbles during "Judy and the Dream of Horses." The bubbles catch the 
light as the breeze blows them around and every one is laughing.

***Laura's back. She's walking off with a boy. She seems to like him, but my 
Spidy Senses are activated. He had a weak handshake and that always bodes 
ill. And he's burly with the look of a man who's killed a wild animal in his 
life. I decided to keep an eye on him. But Llew Llooks happy.

***(Last one, I promise!) A torch on the water. It's a subway station 
somewhere in Brooklyn or Manhattan. A last minute train closing has left 
Eric slightly confused and dashing. Hobbling behind him a few paces, I turn 
around to look out over the water. And there's The Statue of Liberty. I grin 
to myself and have a sudden urge to run up and hug Eric when I realize I 
really am in New York. And with one of my favorite people. And it's after 
midnight.
   For whatever reason, I don't. It's late and we have to get to Queens, to 
see people and do things. There'll be time for mushiness later.**

Yours,
GayJay

* It's the new collective noun for CitiFags!
** Turns out, there was!

PS: Ian -- you're not the only one who thinks about Bel Ami. I think Frisky 
Summer Two is one of the great films of our Generation!


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In which it does a little Dance."
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From rfadden at xxx.com  Thu Aug 28 03:19:55 2003
From: rfadden at xxx.com (rrrrobyn)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:19:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: today, tomorrow, we'll be back in trouble again
Message-ID: <20030828021955.85233.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello! Sinister!

So, I saw that my doppelganger, Robin, has been posting a lot, as if
to say, hehe, Robyn, see how I post and you do not? That is because I
am your more powerful, all-b&s-knowing, british self! mwaha! He has
interesting stuff to say and even stuff to say about tweeness, etc.
Whereas, I. do. not. He also drinks a lot of tea. I've switched to
yerba mate because i like to jump on bandwagons two years too late.
He talks to strangers, I just take candy from them. *But* I must
defend the Robyn with a y Robyn that is me by writing to sinister
after a long long time of not writing to sinister. 

CRAZINESS
concerts? albums? struan writing blog-style? so much in the way of
actual B&S News! it's craziness, i say. Despite living in Montreal, I
couldn't go to the New York concert (y'know, when I moved here I was,
like, ooh, so close to New York! Cool! and then soon I was, like, so
close to New York! Painful! Why can't I be one of those *rich*
students? it's all my own fault, etc.). I had (and continue to have!)
no money. A friend told me not to be "greedy", since I have seen B&S
twice already. But c'mon, I am a FAN and member of an elite listserv
dedicated to B&S, smut, and the relaying of timid fumblings in the
dark. I need to go to concerts to retain my membership. Alas, while
my soul was in Brooklyn when the day came, my ass was in Montreal,
getting drunk on $10 pitchers and singing Rick Astley songs at a
dimly lit karaoke bar.

CYBORGS
My thesis proposal is shaping up. As am I, after a long, cold winter
(Summer hasn't been long enough. Need more.) I still wish I were part
machine though. It would be great, even if it were just an mp3 player
built into my arm. ooh.

C'EST L'ETE (with implied accent marks)
For all of July I was immersed in a French immersion course thingy in
Moncton, NB to fix up my French. And now my french is fixed up! It's
remarkable. Soon I will be a real canadian! just like in the movies!

COMFORT
I've noticed a tinge of emotions re: la liste in a few posts lately.
A few 'remember whens' and a few 'gee, you guys...'. ow, the place
where my heart should be constricts with love. I too am glad Sinister
exists. I've been glad for years. And even though I've been busy and
whatever, I'm still glad. I even went to chat in #sinister and felt
that heart-type constriction and warmth again. ooh ah ooh.

learning's on tv!
Robyn

p.s. adam brody on "the o.c."! i don't get crushes on tv stars, but,
damn, a tv star the likes of him has never been created before. swoon
swoon. and there are plenty of gratuitous adam brody looking cute and
nerdy shots. the best!

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~~~
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From ian at xxx.com  Thu Aug 28 06:42:48 2003
From: ian at xxx.com (Ian Connelly)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:42:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: SF treasure, B&S on the radio (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0308272241470.32249-100000@charm>

(did this not go through the first time? sorry if it goes twice.)

as rachel noted, the SF treasure wasn't found until the day after the
show. it wasn't that the clues were hard, i think, just that the final
resting place of the treasure was in a very large building with a bunch of
stores, and the clue itself didn't really give much away. the clues are
here, if you'd like to see them:

http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2003-08-20/garrett.html/1/index.html

but ah, you should've seen kevin and i last wednesday, running around town
to each and every nautical or pirate-themed venue trying to get to the
bottom of clue #2. il pirata, the buccaneer, trad'r sam's, the pirate
store on valencia - i did them all, and with no success. pirates
aside, we certainly swearing like a couple of sailors that evening as
we brainstormed over whiskey and pool.

once we'd figured out the final clue and put the letters together to spell
FAIRY (this was on wednesday), kevin wanked around the newly re-opened
FERRY building but couldn't find anything even after asking around and
around and around. at the show on friday, he cornered deborah and solomon
and interrogated them, frustratedly, until he knew he had almost been in
the right place. he'd been there weds, thurs, and fri and still not found
it! that's a certain strong-headed devotion.

then, perhaps a bit hungover on saturday, he trekked down there again,
through hordes of people looking for organic tomatoes and expensive cheese
(there's quite a good farmer's market at the ferry building on saturday)
to find it. the treasure itself was excellent - copy of the new dvd (sadly
unplayable on region-limited machines), cd of the belfast show last year,
and decidedly twee trinkets like a shiny necktie, book on How To Make
Things, a toy Jaguar, spoon from a scottish exhibition of sorts, etc.
unclear if the tickets included will be good for the band's next show
here, but he's hoping.

did anyone listen to the band on KCRW? if so, relive it again! if not,
try it now:
http://kcrw.com/cgi-bin/ram_wrap.cgi?/mb/mb030826Belle__Sebastian

	they played:
lord anthony
women's realm
step into my office, baby
scooby driver (?)
travellin' light
judy & the dream of horses
the state that i am in

others have covered the berkeley show better than i ever could.
it was marvellous.

ian


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From boyincorduroy at xxx.com  Thu Aug 28 11:17:38 2003
From: boyincorduroy at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Mark=20Casarotto?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:17:38 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: *avoids making a humourous reference of any sort*
Message-ID: <20030828101738.4639.qmail@web10406.mail.yahoo.com>

It's good to have enthusiasm back on the list.

First off, apologies to anyone I offended with my
being-bolshy-without-thinking last post. I apologised
to Paul off-list, I *explained* myself to Pais
off-list, but I'm sorry to y'all too. Long time
members may be aware this sin't the first time I've
gone a little over the top.

Having said that, y'know, this list has always had a
sense of humour. Please let's not turn into Bowlie ;)

Loads of exciting and marvellous posts lately - it
brings to mind the winter of '99 when our inboxes were
stuffed with 100 posts every day. Some of which were
from Peter Miller. I know it's a bit evil to just go
back over the past, and the people who weren't there
then will have glazed over a long time ago, but it's
hard to argue that Sinister hasn't been, well, dormant
for a while now. People move on, mostly the older,
more cynical types, who have trouble recognising the
honest youthful enthusiasm that makes up the body of
the posts (though as far as I can tell the last couple
of days have been a rekindling of the late-20s
massive, though sinces some of them are LADIES I
couldn't possibly list who I mean :)

I bought some new shoes. Red and white Puma Riberas. I
hope there are at least a few people out there nodding
and saying "hey, neat" at this news.

Tonight I will finally finish the book that delicious
(and full-of-flattery) Cheesybun Eric gave me as part
of the Xmas present exchange. And my hokey, if it
isn't the best book I have read in years and years!
"The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay", it's
called, and most of you will have read it already,
being literary types who keep up with new
publications, but if you haven't, sell some dodgy CDs
(perhaps your 2 spare copies of Fishyclap, not that I
would have 2 spare copies, um) and buy it this
instant.

On a similar tip, if there are any listees who got an
Xmas exchange present BUT DIDN'T THANK THE PERSON IT
CAME FROM, it's not too late, you know. *looks
pointedly westwards*

Phrase for today: "Isn't it, though?" I love that
phrase.

Rosy cheeks and snow-white trainers,
Markelby xxxx



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From boyincorduroy at xxx.com  Thu Aug 28 11:57:43 2003
From: boyincorduroy at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Mark=20Casarotto?=)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:57:43 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: You can taste blood again
Message-ID: <20030828105743.56682.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com>

Oh yes - there was something I've been wanting to know
but, due to not having the right software, I can't
find out. Those of you who have heard "Lord Anthony"
being played live - how does it differ from the
versions played on tour in 1998-99? Then, it was a
"Modern Rock Song"-type sweet, steady song with
soaring melodies and sparse instrumentation. Please
don't tell me they've buggered it up a la "The Wrong
Girl" with layers of superfluous strings or messed
around with its glorious simplicity.

Yours, ludditeliciously,
Mark xxx



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From kenneth.chu at xxx.org  Thu Aug 28 12:27:38 2003
From: kenneth.chu at xxx.org (kenneth.chu at xxx.org)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:27:38 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Twee rule the school
Message-ID: <UCLH9D17C3BDDEAFD311AFD100508B5C529F0D762567@uclh.org>

Couldn't be arsed to talk about twee and shit so I went to bastardise B&S
lyrics instead.

Twee rule the school
------------------------------
On an e-mail crudely carved
"B.S. was twee"
Why did she do it?
Was she scared was she bored?

On a e-mail rudely carved
"M.C. hates twee"
Why did he do it?
Was his arse slightly bruised? 

Do something girly while you can
Don't fall asleep
Watching the footie in a pub is cool
Do something blokey while you can
Don't be a fool
Picking a daisy to yourself is fine

On an e-mail going round
"Twee'd Rue The Day"
Written for everyone to read and to see
On an e-mail going round
"Twee Rule The School"
Written for everyone with arse in their head

Do something petty while you can
Don't fall asleep
whinging about your ex-girlfriends all day til you're bored

So call me A. Moffat if you want
It's no secret
You know the world is made for Chas
You know the world is made for Chas
You know the world is made for Chas
not Suggs



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From stephanowic at xxx.it  Thu Aug 28 16:58:33 2003
From: stephanowic at xxx.it (Stefano [Steady-State])
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:58:33 +0200
Subject: Sinister: reporting back: tiny but lovely
Message-ID: <HKC71L$F40AF3765BCE9BE074ADB8FF87802AEC@libero.it>


Dear Sinister

well.... trying to cope with inherently bit laziness... 
thinking of doing thing for days and realising the week
is getting to the end again and having done pretty much
nothing, but add some more mess to my so-called live.

so-called  is my favourite word.

I shall balme the bank holyday for the shortness of the week tho.

actually, talking about bank holyday 
we had a very tiny but extremely lovely picnic on Monday, me and
mark stayed quite a bit in front t of the cinema, conveniently located
in a convenient for doing people watching.. actually watching people
is fun but not for too long... at least is better then police watching 
which is what we had plenty of chance to do... caz and bag... they cars
said on side.  Paul get on the top of the hill almost perfectly on time.
and being a rather scrupulous picnic mum I brought a blanket with me.
that stole all the place for boozes. and actually, as far as I remember
it was the first picnic we have ever had without a single drip of alcohol.

that wasn't quite right so we ended up in the old dear spread eagle for 
a few one, chatting randomly and spending a very lovely Monday.

 
i doesn't sound might be exciting, but I felt fit for once


take care
your rather steady
stefano  





PS: thank you very much to anyone who send me email of the list.
I justcan't tell how much I do appreciate that. 


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came back with ripped out pages
stopped by so uninvited
wasted good silverware on you
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From ian at xxx.com  Thu Aug 28 00:17:50 2003
From: ian at xxx.com (Ian Connelly)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:17:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: SF treasure, B&S on the radio
In-Reply-To: <20030827183749.616.qmail@web9307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0308271605220.22028-100000@charm>

as rachel noted, the SF treasure wasn't found until the day after the
show. it wasn't that the clues were hard, i think, just that the final
resting place of the treasure was in a very large building with a bunch of
stores, and the clue itself didn't really give much away. the clues are
here, if you'd like to see them:

http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2003-08-20/garrett.html/1/index.html

but ah, you should've seen kevin and i last wednesday, running around town
to each and every nautical or pirate-themed venue trying to get to the
bottom of clue #2. il pirata, the buccaneer, trad'r sam's, the pirate
store on valencia - i did them all, and with no success. pirates
aside, we certainly swearing like a couple of sailors that evening as
we brainstormed over whiskey and pool.

once we'd figured out the final clue and put the letters together to spell
FAIRY (this was on wednesday), kevin wanked around the newly re-opened
FERRY building but couldn't find anything even after asking around and
around and around. at the show on friday, he cornered deborah and solomon
and interrogated them, frustratedly, until he knew he had almost been in
the right place. he'd been there weds, thurs, and fri and still not found
it! that's a certain strong-headed devotion.

then, perhaps a bit hungover on saturday, he trekked down there again,
through hordes of people looking for organic tomatoes and expensive cheese
(there's quite a good farmer's market at the ferry building on saturday)
to find it. the treasure itself was excellent - copy of the new dvd (sadly
unplayable on region-limited machines), cd of the belfast show last year,
and decidedly twee trinkets like a shiny necktie, book on How To Make
Things, a toy Jaguar, spoon from a scottish exhibition of sorts, etc.
unclear if the tickets included will be good for the band's next show
here, but he's hoping.

did anyone listen to the band on KCRW? if so, relive it again! if not,
try it now:
http://kcrw.com/cgi-bin/ram_wrap.cgi?/mb/mb030826Belle__Sebastian

	they played:
lord anthony
women's realm
step into my office, baby
scooby driver (?)
travellin' light
judy & the dream of horses
the state that i am in

others have covered the berkeley show better than i ever could.
it was marvellous.

ian
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From competitionsmile at xxx.com  Thu Aug 28 21:41:22 2003
From: competitionsmile at xxx.com (Christine Irene)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:41:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?
Message-ID: <20030828204122.3556.qmail@web40609.mail.yahoo.com>

hi everyone.  it's been awhile...though, perhaps not
long enough.

i must say that after this whole "twee" debate i have
reached a very important conclusion.....mark c. and
idleberry are soul mates.  honestly, how many people
do you know that shove a pole tightly up their arse
before posting to sinister?  each of them do
it....it's fate.  imagine, if they were physically
together they could bash, insult, whine, complain,
bitch, moan, irritate, belittle, condescend, and
preach to/about all of us...without any of us actually
having to deal with them.

i typically keep my personal annoyances from sinister,
which coincidentally have only been about the
aforementioned two parties, to myself.  however, i
felt that since the 2 of them deem it their purpose on
sinister to keep all of us in line, i felt perhaps
they should be served a dose of their own medicine.


i also find it hysterically funny that anyone would
complain about the mid-atlantic meetups....considering
the fact that 11 months out of the year all of us read
constantly about UK meetups.  mind you, i'm not
bothered by that in the least.  i really enjoy reading
about what all of you interesting and involved
sinisters in the uk have going on...i envy it really. 
i just think it's funny that anyone thinks too much on
list time is devoted to mid-atlantic meetups.

oh well.  onwards and upwards.

the usual shouts out...dirty vicar (are you alive?),
matt (my dorky 80's pop culture soul mate :O), kevin
(who is moving house) chris (to whom i need to reply)
rachel frutiloop apps (hi :O)  and jinnifer (are you
alive) and of course miss goffey :o)

love to you all.

you twee bunch you.

~stine

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From jayeckard at xxx.com  Thu Aug 28 23:19:21 2003
From: jayeckard at xxx.com (Jay Eckard)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:19:21 +0000
Subject: Sinister: /me ducks and covers
Message-ID: <Law11-F117vEVV3U9ON0000c9da@hotmail.com>


Sinisterines:

  I may love me some Sinister in general and Markelby and Idles in specific, 
but man, I'm hiding myself from the whole new firestorm Miss Irene may just 
have initiated. I don't like the violence, yo. I'm a simple peace-loving, 
neo-Romantic, Dr Who-lovin' poof.

  Also, Robin Stout has vowed to hug Paulo. What do *I* have to do for that 
kind of action? I'm willing to fork out the cash.

  I just read in this month's Utne Reader that statistically Australian 
girls are most likely to put out on the first date. WHat does this mean for 
Miss Trixie Firecracker and her recent night out? I can only wonder.

  For all those up late/up early, the ever-fabulous JayleMurph Radio 
Extravangnza, Late-Night Edition has its last fling tonight, 3 to 5 am EST/8 
to 10 am BST. I take requests yo.

Ducking and Covering,
GayJay
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In which it does a little Dance."
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From idleberry at xxx.com  Thu Aug 28 23:42:57 2003
From: idleberry at xxx.com (idleberry)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:42:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Living in the past....
Message-ID: <20030828224257.72352.qmail@web41113.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey ho sinister,

Theres a few bits to this post, so feel free to skip
to the bit that interests you.

*****************************

STINE GOT TO THE POINT

"i must say that after this whole "twee" debate i have
reached a very important conclusion.....mark c. and
idleberry are soul mates. honestly, how many people
do you know that shove a pole tightly up their arse
before posting to sinister? each of them do
it....it's fate. imagine, if they were physically
together they could bash, insult, whine, complain,
bitch, moan, irritate, belittle, condescend, and
preach to/about all of us...without any of us actually
having to deal with them."

Stine, darling, that twee debate is, like, soooo 18th
August 2003. We've all moved on, please try to keep up
dear. The twee debate is so out of fashion its almost
gone full circle and verging on kitsch. Mark
appologised and explained himself to those who needed
to know, and to the rest as well, I posted other
things about other stuff, get over it already. 

"i typically keep my personal annoyances from
sinister,
which coincidentally have only been about the
aforementioned two parties, to myself. however, i
felt that since the 2 of them deem it their purpose on
sinister to keep all of us in line, i felt perhaps
they should be served a dose of their own medicine."

Your medicine was as powerful as a dose of Calpol.
What was an important conclusion to you was as
noteworthy as a badly written 5 year old's news
jotter. 

"i also find it hysterically funny that anyone would
complain about the mid-atlantic meetups....considering
the fact that 11 months out of the year all of us read
constantly about UK meetups. mind you, i'm not
bothered by that in the least. i really enjoy reading
about what all of you interesting and involved
sinisters in the uk have going on...i envy it really. 
i just think it's funny that anyone thinks too much on
list time is devoted to mid-atlantic meetups."

I also find it hysterically funny, becuase I don't
think anyone did complain about the mid-atlantic meet
ups. Did they? Please correct me if I am wrong (I know
someone will).

And now for a change of subject, but still keeping
with my subject line.

*****************************

WE'RE SO COOL, IT HURTS

I was reading in Elle, today, a piece about fashion.
It was all about the 60's trends, vs. the 80's trends.
Apparently, two "top designer types" reckon, its about
mood as well as the clothes. You have to live and
breathe the style, rather than just wear it. And what
did they say? Apparently, going to your mates houses
and playing records was really cool, as was going to a
club night made by your pals. A few years ago, owning
a guitar was the coolest thing to do, according to
Elle. 

So basically, as far as I can see, going to the
Winchester Club is the ultimate in fashion right now. 

But hey, we knew that all along. 

*****************************

ALBUM COVERS

I was interested by Lucy Alder's pictures, of two
possible album covers. I suppose only time will tell,
won't it? Personally, I prefer the one where you can
see all the band a little better (the Amazon one)
rather than the one with Richard closer. Thats not to
say I think Richard ruins a good picture, but I
somehow just like to see all the band properly in the
photo. 

The thing I'm interested in most, is waiting for the
mini literary treat that is the sleeve note stories.
Was it TWATTYBUS that missed them out? I think it was.
Just a piccie of Isobel looking coy. I'm sure there
were plenty of boys who weren't complaining though. 

Does anyone know the date when the album is due to be
released?

*****************************

BELLE AND SEBASTIAN, ON THE INTERNET, PLAYING SONGS
FOR CHILDREN...

Unfortunately, despite all the will in the world, and
all sorts of wonderful programmes on my brothers
computer, I wasn't able to watch the internet thing.
>From the sounds of it, I missed out. 

I can't complain though, since we were lucky enough to
get the televised version of the Concert for Africa,
which I taped. I think Laura Llew wanted a copy, so if
you're out there Llew, and you still do, send me your
addy.

*****************************

MAKES ME WANNA SHOUT

Finally, I'd also like to do my wannabe thang, like
I've got through to a soulessly cheesy local radio DJ
on a phone in and got a song requested and give out
shouts to all my buddies on the list:
namely Mark Casarotto my platonic soul mate; Mark
Waudby, my love soul mate; Sarah, Mark Casarotto's
darling; Brian McKinnon, the lowest of the lo-fi;
Mandalion; Lyns; Patrick; Nal; Lucy; Lucy Alder; David
Moore; Sally Moore; Nick Dastoor (cos it rhymes with
moore); Ally Cooke; Robin Stout; Stacey'n'Richard;
Pansy Pop; Ken Chu; Marianna; RJG; Kirsten; Mr and Mrs
Bapps; Matt Henderson; Michael Grant; Archel; my mum;
my dad; God; Jesus; and anyone who knows me, from
past, present, or future. 

To paraphrase Brett Anderson, I'm not going away, so
you might as well just go and get some camomile
lotion. 

Yours forever (whether you like it or not)
Idleberry

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From boyincorduroy at xxx.com  Fri Aug 29 00:19:35 2003
From: boyincorduroy at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Mark=20Casarotto?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:19:35 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Sinister: A response
Message-ID: <20030828231935.76282.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com>

You really want to get into this, Christine?

1. "i typically keep my personal annoyances from
sinister". Except in this case. Which you do *after*
my apology. Which you do after Idles posts to stick up
for a friend. That's low. Have you been bottling it
up?

2. Look at the FAQ. "Shout outs", where you are
spending list time and bandwith communicating (but not
saying anything, of course) to a few people is not in
the spirit of things.

3. While I'm at it, FAQ no. 17 - "He/she's really
winding me up, I'm going to slag them off something
rotten... DO NOT FLAME PEOPLE OR BE ABUSIVE!  I take
this very seriously and will act accordingly."

no. 17 continues: "This of course doesn't mean you
can't express strong feelings strongly - in fact it's
mandatory.  But don't attack people, attack things".
Which, Christine, is what I did. I APOLOGISED, both
publicly and to Paul, for what I said to him,
particularly how I said it. It doesn't mean I've
changed my mind about the negativity of affecting
tweeness (though I praise *sensitivity* to the
heavens), but that's over and done with.

One other thing - are you still friends with Isabel
Lark? I'd hate to criticise someone for who their
friends are; after all, it's terrible when you get
blacklisted because you hang around with people who
say things like this:
http://www.missprint.org/sinister/mhonarc/200101/msg00348.html
- check it out, Christine. It might be illuminating.

Perhaps after 6 years (happy 6th birthday, Sinister,
btw - though some people seem to think they joined the
list well before that, which is odd, don't you think?)
you'd have figured out that picking fights isn't on.
What's the point, Christine?

Still, good to see your true colours.

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From blind_lisa at xxx.com  Fri Aug 29 02:30:58 2003
From: blind_lisa at xxx.com (Rachel fruitloop-Apps)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:30:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: CHU don't love KENyone!
Message-ID: <20030829013058.3419.qmail@web9305.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Sinister!

I am a bit troubled by the strife going on lately. Mark, I was
pleased to read your apology. I would consider myself to be a friend
of Mark, Idles and Stine, and so these latest posts disturb me. My
opinion is that some harsh things have been said in the past. Some
things I agree with, and some I don't agree with. It's so easy to get
the wrong end of the stick through email. That's why it's very
important to think things through before getting too upset. I like it
when people express themselves, but I think especially in this forum
it's important to try to be as constructive as possible. 

I think labeling styles of people is more than *SO AUGUST 18th* (that
made me laugh!), it's juvenile. Besides that, "twee" is pretty much
meaningless here in the States, so that label could have a completely
different connotation to people who live in a culture where the word
is used. There are a lot of us here from different cultures, so
before anyone gets too carried away about things like that, try to
remember that the world seems small on Sinister. We have a lot in
common, but each culture might interperet something we think as
innocent or joking in a different way. I think Mark's plea for
sensitivity is a good idea (but that means you, too, Markleby!)

Speaking of style, everyone has a different style of communication.
Some of us are brash.  Some of us are lame. Some of us are
overly-sensitive. Some of us are poetic. Some of us are
straight-forward. Some of us are lurkers. I would like to think that
everybody loves me, but I know that my posts probably irritate some
of you.  Some of the things I read irritate me, too.  I try to ignore
the things I don't like. But it's good to disagree; this world would
be so boring without some dissention. But I think picking Sinister
battles more carefully would be a good idea.  I'd rather argue about
which version of the DCW cover is best, or whether to refer to it as
DICKWIPE or DICKSWAY, rather than reading who is going to shove what
up where or what when who and to what extent "twee" is. It's such an
abstract concept to get so upset over! Furthermore, Mark apologised
and I think it's time to move on.

In closing, I'd just like to say that I am glad to be connected to
all of you (except for BEN APPS who stinks and KEN CHU, he's a twat!)

love,
Rachel fruitloop-Apps

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From stoutrobin at xxx.com  Fri Aug 29 14:52:14 2003
From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:52:14 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Wrapped Up In Books - Exclusive!!
Message-ID: <BAY7-F84mkhcQZt0p5a0000f779@hotmail.com>

Hullo!

I didn't really want to get involved in this LIST WAR at all, but I think 
the time has come for me to say once and for all that I hate Ken Chu, too. 
He smells of spunk and he stole all my back issues of Look In from the shed. 
One time he threatened to "buy" me a "pint". I don't know what these words 
mean but they sound evil, and when he said it he looked at me funny. CHU, 
I'VE BOUGHT A HAIRY DOG AND IF YOU WANT ME SMASH HITS YOU HAVE TO GET PAST 
HIM FIRST.

Ben and Rachel, I loved your photos. I didn't recognise Chris Geddes at 
first, and thought he was just some spiv wandered in off the street to sell 
his mickey mouse watches. He is very gangly, isn't he? I should really print 
off a picture of Geddes and show it to my mum and say LOOK MUM I AM NOT AS 
GANGLY AS THIS MAN YOU CAN STOP FEEDING ME ALL THOSE SAUSAGES NOW, I'M 
LEAVIN'!

In your photos, have you noticed how much Stuart looks like Wurzel Gummidge? 
I think this is because he eats too many chips. Why do I think this? Well, 
if you listen to the lyrics of Wrapped Up In Books it all becomes clear:

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Wrapped Up In Books
++++++++++++++

The chippy had run out of newspaper,
So my chips were wrapped up in books.
The girl in the chippy is greasy,
I love her greasy looks.

<<10-minute washboard solo>>

Maybe one day if I'm clean and good,
The girl will batter my sausage.
I eat chips morning, noon and night,
That's why I look like Wurzel Gummidge.

<<The sound of a hairy monkey stuck in a mangle to fade..>>
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


For all of you doubters who have been saying that Struan's lyrics have lost 
their emotional punch recently, this song proves you all wrong. You 
bastards. I'm not sure about the washboard solo, though. I blame Trevor 
Horn.

ROBIN X


ps: Ben, I was also very impressed by your Lego trains.

pps: Jay, I will give you a cuddle if you want me to.

ppps: Once again, I've become aware how UK-centric my posts are. If you are 
confused by any of the words in this post like "chips" or "Look In" or 
"Wurzel Gummidge" just let me know and I will put your troubled minds at 
ease. I think Jay will know who Wurzel Gummidge is, though.


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From kenneth.chu at xxx.org  Fri Aug 29 16:00:48 2003
From: kenneth.chu at xxx.org (kenneth.chu at xxx.org)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:00:48 +0100
Subject: Sinister: Crap into my orifice baby
Message-ID: <UCLH9D17C3BDDEAFD311AFD100508B5C529F0D762596@uclh.org>

You really want to get into this, Robin?

1. "He smells of spunk and he stole all my back issues of Look In from the
shed."  I started smelling of spunk *after* taking your back issues of "Look
In", thanks a lot!

2. "One time he threatened to "buy" me a "pint". I don't know what these
words mean but they sound evil, and when he said it he looked at me funny"
I didn't threaten to "buy" you a "pint", I offered to "puy" you a "bint",
you bint, I have no idea what that means but it sounds nice.  And I wasn't
looking at you funny.. I was looking at YER FANNY.  Yer Fanny.

3. "CHU, I'VE BOUGHT A HAIRY DOG AND IF YOU WANT ME SMASH HITS YOU HAVE TO
GET PAST HIM FIRST."  SMASH HITS is so 29th Febuary, 2001, darling.  It's so
that date that that date doesn't even exist.  Get with the times, innit.
Anyway your dog marked its territory on your magazine rack with the smash
hits in it, and apologised, so get over it already.

Still good to see your true colours.  Mmm Pentone 292.

Ken


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From stephanowic at xxx.it  Fri Aug 29 16:22:22 2003
From: stephanowic at xxx.it (Stefano [Steady-State])
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:22:22 +0200
Subject: Sinister: I've got my casiotone and I am right
Message-ID: <HKE01A$ED81EC5D1A797704B873D5A96B6CA9F9@libero.it>

Hello My Dear  Sinister

Hope you are very well and fine!
---->>>>catastrophy!<<-------
I might be driving in london... be careful, it might be wise
staying at home. my crash accident record talks quite clear,
I am disastrouse. I clearly don't love my car so much. or might
be I do but she doesn't love as much. or at all. sounds like the
story of my life.
pretty cars make graves,
especially if yu are driving atiny bit too fast
and the RIGTH side on the road.

----->>>>I've got my vibrosonic and I am rigth<<------
but the neighbourood isn't.
like it or not, the neigbour yell when i sing. 
(and they are right!)
but NOW I've got the vibrosonic (sound scary) reverb
and can crasch the skathe the reverb spring around the lounge
I can cover their screaming laughing quite easily.

I like the orange light from the tube amplifier in the evening.
Think it reminds me of when we use to have the huge black
and white gloomying tv. childhood childhood where are you gone?
don't know, think I've not really grow up.
might be it is the reaon why kids loves me.
not necessarly their parents. tho.

one day the Tv died. it was the football world championship
and russia trashe hungary 6:0. just saw the first goal.
meanwhile back in communist russia?
have you ever heard of them, are lovely!

----->>> DIY electronic reinascence <<<-----

spent the day in the electronic wrkshop today
trying to soert out if I could still work it out
how the tester function and the solderer
and remeber the coulour code for resistors...
the answer is no i can't...
well I've finally sued an oscilloscope.....
 such a waste of equipement... but finally did
it and all my home bult units are back and functional.
guess that might be not such excting, but after a
whole week swearing at the DR ohm and Mr transistor
can be exciting.

So if u are an electonic freak try that:
for distorsion unit mxr dist+ish
2 germanium diode+ 1 led antiphase ,
and if you open the box have even light in it!
can use it in the darkness as a torch in caseof next black out, a 
9 volt battery will do.

---->>> just 2 days to go <<<----

to the gig I'm going to play.
can't stop my fet itching!!! it is quite exciting.
hope i won't just going forgetting all the bits once on stage.
is a classic. is not twee. is rubbish. must not drink. that is key.
is what i've ben saying for ages but have to support the country economy.
shouldn't i?

mhmhmh.... would be really great to see someone from the list
on sunday.. it is at the arts cafe' near algate east tube station.. I go
first, which will be, well at dinner time.. 8ish? something like that
(it is  bit of self promotion, I do apologise but think the other band
are really really nice, and you can have  agood laugh when i'm on stage...
stage = scary thing to be on...)
this reming=ds me of youthness again.. like at lementary schools...
I've never been puyt in the choir the said I was hopeless for  singig...
[might be they were right, I'm hopeless for lot of things,
inluding making a post that makes sense...] 
punk saved me!
god save the queeeeeeen

take care
rather steady
stefano
  

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lent you my favorite dictionary
came back with ripped out pages
stopped by so uninvited
wasted good silverware on you
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From pugmunch at xxx.com  Fri Aug 29 16:49:11 2003
From: pugmunch at xxx.com (pugmunch at xxx.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:49:11 GMT
Subject: Sinister: I'm Feeling CAPITAL 
Message-ID: <20030829.084942.8359.83237@webmail14.lax.untd.com>


Ah, Sinister!

Hello all, from the blistering deserts of Arizona!  Actually, that's an outright lie; it's only 94 right now, ironically.  But nevermind that!  I'm crawling out of lurkerdom to contribute to the Reporting Back Bonanza!

I sided with the LA Contingent this time round, but I should've known better than to DRIVE to/in LA.  Really.  There was a nearly disastrous pedestrian incident just outside my hotel. YOU try making a left-hand turn while singing along to Le Pastie; it's quite distracting! Particularly on Concert Day, which indeed, it was.  As the Llew would say:  le sigh.  The conclusion I've reached is that all pedestrians in the general LA area should wear reflective clothing; black is just a bad idea, aside from the fact that it's SO **20th June 2002**.  

APPARANTLY the picnic was a grand success!  Sadly, I couldn't seem to find it, which is all the more tragic as I'd brought a CAKE, with SINISTER written all over it.  Literally!  It seems to me that no Sinister Picnic is complete without a CAKE, a la A Century of Fakers.  Alas, it wasn't to be.  What WAS meant to be was the Grand Ticket Exchange engineered by none other than our very own....(drum roll) Shawn and Emily!  You might remember them by the esteemed title, "the dynamic duo."  

Consider this the official SHOUT OUT to Shawn and Emily, clearly two of the loveliest people on the continent!  These clever folks, for *some* reason, seemed to take a liking to me, and helped maneuver me AND my friend Sam to an altogether MUCH CLOSER SECTION than I was originally in.  I love them.  I really do.  

Other folks have talked about the LA show already, so I won't repeat them, except to add an enthusiastic "RAWK IT," (which I'm convinced will be the next popular exclamatory statement, embraced by hipsters and young people the world round).  I'd no idea that the esteemed Mr. Jackson could WAIL on the harmonica such as he did!  Yes, yes, I own Storytelling, but my contention is that studio and stage are two completely separate entities; of course, I'm no musician.  I've got a stringless guitar sitting in the corner of my room at the moment, and every once in a while I sit and chew my nail whilst trying to devise a plan to remedy that situation.  I think that's sufficient proof.  Ah, well.  I'll have to stick with "professional appreciator" I suppose.

Much SINI love,
Shannon

p.s.  I almost took a page from Mr. Chu's book and titled this post "Riding on LA busses is SAD," but as his reputation seems to be on the decline, I thought I'd avoid any unintentional association.  To save myself, of course.
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From irivamon at xxx.com  Fri Aug 29 18:33:33 2003
From: irivamon at xxx.com (Ian Rivamonte)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:33:33 -0700
Subject: Sinister: I cheated on my Catastrophe Waitress
Message-ID: <BAY2-DAV60VzKKvuERR00001cdb@hotmail.com>

So, I downloaded the new B&S CD through a P2P network.  I know, I know.  I
shouldn't be doing it but I am too damn excited to hear the new material.
So far, it is excellent!!  And I will be getting my copy on the first day of
release.

Stand out tracks are basically the ones they played live.  Roy Walker (my
personal favourite), Step Into My Office, and Stay Loose.

Cheers,
Ian
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From competitionsmile at xxx.com  Fri Aug 29 17:28:21 2003
From: competitionsmile at xxx.com (Christine Irene)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:28:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: i'd love a bite of crow but my foot is in my mouth at the moment
Message-ID: <20030829162821.28157.qmail@web40603.mail.yahoo.com>

i honestly can't believe all of this hoopla.  my
goodness.  i'm quite the troublemaker it would seem. 
perhaps i should enumerate a bit....this may take
awhile so bare with me or delete me....your choice.

fundamentally: since joining sinister in 98, i have
always had a slightly Utopian view of our list here. 
yes, we are from different cultures, different
religions, different colours, we have individual likes
and dislikes, passions, interests, hobbies, etc. 
through all of that, there has also always (seemingly)
been an unspoken respect.  i have been on many lists
in my day and more often than not there have been
instances of things like: " what do you mean you don't
read chaucer?  you are such a dick."  
i have always loved sinister because, though there may
be the tongue-in cheek barb, there is no attacking.

i keep my computer at work and have been on holiday. 
the only daily means i have of checking my email is my
mobile phone....and i really hate typing on it, so i
don't.
as some of you may or may not know, i have been having
some health issues in the past year.  for awhile i
talked about it, then i stopped....i didn't want to be
the one always whining.  
on tuesday i had this "procedure" done.  i had to have
a pH monitor connected to my lower esophageal
sphincter which required a couple of rather unpleasant
things.  1)  a catheter had to be put up my nose and
down my throat 60 cm.  2) after that, a tube had to be
put up my nose and down my throat 36 cm.  3) after
that, i had to walk around all day and night with the
aforementioned tube taped to my face and i had to
carry my monitor around with me for a 24 hour
duration.  
the purpose of this was to monitor the fluctuations of
acid pH in my stomach over the course of an entire day
whilst carrying on my daily activities.

it was, without question, the most horrible thing i
have ever been through.

fast forward....on wednesday i got my tubes removed
and was happy to be sans equipment.  i was also happy
that people could stop staring at me like a two headed
freak.

yesterday, wednesday, i got the results of the
monitoring.  i found out that the average person's pH
is around 5.....if it goes below 4, consistently, you
are considered to be in a "danger zone."  
i found out that my average pH at night is .9.
i also found out that, as a result of that, my
likelihood for getting esophageal cancer has
skyrocketed.  it is pretty likely that, in the next
few years, i will have cancer.  it is also likely that
i will need a tube permanently in my throat if my
condition is too far gone to be corrected.
the good part of this is that a) i at least know what
is going on now and can (hopefully) get proper
treatment in enough time and b) it is in the confines
of a research study so i don't have to pay for any of
this stuff.

having said all of that....i purposely went to the
library yesterday to read some sinister mail, hoping
to be put in my typical silly, happy sinister mood.
when i read mark and idel's posts, which seemed
slightly abrasive and unnecessarily condescending, i
sort of flipped out.
i know that miss berry doesn't care for my posts, and
i can completely respect that, i just thought that
someone innocently asking about genre's and twee
seemed sort of a silly thing to get upset about.  
i know that i can't stand  music classification and
perhaps our idel's is the same....i just wasn't
expecting a post like that....which is prolly me
overreacting slightly as well.

as for mark.  well, i doubt i need to tell any of you
that there is no love lost between he and i.  i never
had a problem with mark until he went out of his way
to flame me onlist all of the time.  

having said all of that, i also realise that i over
reacted and mentioned things onlist that would have
best been said offlist.

i apologise for involving the list and for making the
fruitloop-apps' feel "in the middle."  i don't think
mark or i, regardless of our feelings for one another,
wish to involve the list in a battle of choosing
sides.

i received a lot of off list mail yesterday, much of
which was very supportive and said that i was right on
the money and that many really liked my post from
yesterday....

i think we all need to keep in mind what mrs. frapps
said.....and i include myself in that.
no one is liked by everyone and no one likes everyone.
 it is so easy to just react to email without thinking
about the words you are typing....without thinking
that not everyone will pick up on the intended
tone.....not everyone will get the inside jokes that
may be inserted...not everyone understands that your
tongue was firmly planted in cheek when you said
something.


ah well.  i guess the bottom line is that i am sorry
for my email from yesterday.  i'm sorry that i aided
in turning sinister into the antithesis of itself for
awhile.

i wish you all a lovely weekend.

love ~christine

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From irivamon at xxx.com  Fri Aug 29 18:59:41 2003
From: irivamon at xxx.com (Ian Rivamonte)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:59:41 -0700
Subject: Sinister: Stuart Playing Football in S.F. This Sunday?
Message-ID: <BAY2-DAV39E3cav4qg30003143e@hotmail.com>

I read at the B&S website that Stuart wants to play football with the kids
at Golden Gate Park in S.F. this Sunday before he leaves the U.S.

I e-mailed Banchory offering my services so if I do get chosen as the
coordinator, everyone in the Bay Area Sinister circle must play football!
Of course, I will forward any info to this list.

Alternatively, if you were chosen as the football coordinator, can you fill
us in on where and when?

Cheers,
Ian

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From kmhyde at xxx.edu  Sat Aug 30 18:42:30 2003
From: kmhyde at xxx.edu (Kevin Hyde)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:42:30 -0400
Subject: Sinister: titular for tatular + twee can be free
Message-ID: <000001c36f1e$15fcfff0$8076ef80@development.wm.edu>

Hi sinisterines and -ettes,


Even though I suffer from subheading anxiety, I'm going to dip my big
toe in the informative caps-lock marquee pool and give it a whirl, since
it seems to help with coherence in post. 


COVER ART AND WHAT TO CALL IT

Amazon versus, um...the other one (oh, MTV, right). Well, I wanted to
say this pretty much right away, but the cover pictured on Amazon
displays the Catastrophe Waitress (I'm guessing that girl is the title
chick) in such a nice and alluring way. If forced to admit it, I'd say
the CW is probably the most attractive B&S filtered-light cover lady.
Ever. I mean, heck, what guy doesn't love the hell out of the Tigermilk
girl (what's her name- Ciara or something?), but c'mon. Messed-up dark
hair? Drawstring pants? The CW is hot-a-tot-tot. The cover on Amazon is
just all sorts of orange-y good. 

So. What were the choices for the Sinisterization of the title? DICKWIPE
vs. DICKWANK? Something like that, I think. Well, OK. I'm not sure I
like either of those (at least not as much as I liked TWATTYBUS and
FISHYCLAP) enough to say them all the time, and since the only rules I
can extrapolate from those examples are that you indiscriminately insert
letters into the abbreviation of the actual title (sort of willy-nilly,
like vowels in hieroglyphics), I think I'll start calling "Dear
Catastrophe Waitress" DICKSAW. A useful tool, this DICKSAW. All the rage
for aspiring eunuchs and disgruntled wives. And it's just good
old-fashioned pop music, people. Pure pop. Like you couldn't get it this
untainted if you were to mainline granulated Britney Spears CDs.


OH MAN ANOTHER *$%#ING THING ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THE ATLANTIC PICNIC,
WHEN WILL THE TERROR OF THIS EVENT STOP, IT'S AS IF THESE KIDS NEVER HAD
BEEN OUTSIDE IN THEIR LIVES AND ARE NOW JUST DISCOVERING HOW TO
MANIPULATE OBJECTS WITH THEIR ROUGH MOTOR SKILLS AND CRUDE THOUGHT
PATTERNS. 

I'm looking forward to it pretty hard, I have to say. Work has been
wearing me down, and I just completed a lengthy move from one end of
town to the other (which I'm going to say right now that moving within a
town is maybe more stressful than moving a long distance. Just think-
with the long distance, you can feel justified in getting a big truck
from U-Haul or Ryder or whatever and just pitching stuff into the hold
in the back. But with the short move, it's all do-it-yourself. And that
sucks.) and am right now enjoying possibly the best glass of iced tea in
my life. But yeah, D.C. picnic'll be hella tight. 

And oh, I think we're all 7 or 9 of us planning to report back about it
in extreme detail. I believe Kim's responsible for gathering the
meteorological data for the picnic day, and I'll be drilling cores to
get the pH of the soil and constructing a hydrological chart of the
groundwater, within a 12 mile radius. I wouldn't want anyone to think we
do our picnics half-assed here. Oh no, baby. 


I ALMOST WENT ON AN ILL-ADVISED RANT ABOUT 'TWEE' AND THE ROLE OF LABELS
IN LINGUISTICS AND LANGUAGE, BUT THEN REMEMBERED THAT PEOPLE WOULD
PROBABLY RATHER HAVE INTERCOURSE WITH A RUSTY RAKE THAN READ THAT. 

Twee. The only thing I've ever posted about it was confusion over the
phrase 'twee as fuck', which I overheard in a record store once, and
then waxed idiotically about on Sinister, only to have someone kindly
point out that Hello Kitty vibrators do in fact exist. Which is the
story of my life.

But good discussion all around, I thought. Um, until the very end there
where it got a little intense. Twee isn't used so much over here (in the
U.S.) as much as 'fey' is, and even that isn't that often. Not that I
want to start a fey debate. BELLE AND SEBASTIAN IS TOTALLY FEY, OMG!! IF
YOU DON'T SEE THAT THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY LACK EITHER TYMPANIC MEMBRANES OR
ARE JUST SUFFERING FROM A BRAIN PARASITE, RIBENA FOREVER!! etc. 

Not sure where I'm going with this. Hmm. Girl on the cover of DCW sure
is hot though, wow. 


ONCE WHILE DRIVING BACK HOME, I STOPPED AT A LIGHT ALONGSIDE A CAR THAT
WAS DRIVEN BY A MAN IN A CLOWN SUIT. DID I MENTION THIS WAS AT NIGHT?
AND I WAS ALONE?

Anyway. Just wanted to agree with G.Jay about the weirdness and horrible
design flaws in exit ramps that also serve as on-ramps. Do they want
people to die, as some sort of population control? I fail to understand
how the advantages for having these would overcome the sheer volume of
death that must be created each year.

Also, I fit a twin-size mattress in my car yesterday, and I would like
everyone to know that doing so is probably the exact same experience as
mud-wrestling with a lethargic hippopotamus. Which is to say, awesome. 



These were a recipe for disaster, 

Take care, 

Kevin

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From pugmunch at xxx.com  Sat Aug 30 20:39:26 2003
From: pugmunch at xxx.com (pugmunch at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 19:39:26 GMT
Subject: Sinister: The Unprecedented Second Post This Year.   Hold onto your DICKSAW.
Message-ID: <20030830.123951.1733.73681@webmail15.lax.untd.com>


Dear Castastrophe Sinisterines,

So, Fey is the New Twee, is it?  Rather in the same frame that Quiet was Once the New Loud.  I like it.  I also like subtly kinky headings; "tit for tat" is as alluring a cliche as one could hope for in that distinction.  Dear Kevin!  And, while I'm grateful that someone will be testing the soil content at the Great Mid-Atlantic Pic-a-nic, I *was* rather hoping for some basic topographical data (i.e. mica?  feldspar?), as well as a general idea of where the isobars are, and how close together they could possibly come.  The only thing more titillating (ha) than that would a thorough report be the level of barometric pressure.  But, God, could I handle it?  There's nothing sexier than barometric pressure!

In other news, in reaching new levels of boredom and post-show anti-climax yesterday, I googled our beloved band and actually came up with a story covering the LA show on MSNBC.  Holy Cow!  You can imagine my shock.  It was buried on the fourth page, and if you're interested, go here:  http://www.msnbc.com/news/957261.asp?cp1=1

Bouncy fun, eh?  I'm getting a clear and vivid image of legions of pasty-faced devotees jumping on beds and trampolines to Mayfly.  Maybe some cavalier soul grabs some shakers or castanets and throws down a hearty "Wandering Alone!"  I would pay to see that!

And that's about all.  I was simply inspired by Mr. Hyde.

Sini-LOVE,
Shannon.
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From a.s.t.r.i.d at xxx.com  Sat Aug 30 20:40:24 2003
From: a.s.t.r.i.d at xxx.com (a.s.t.r.i.d at xxx.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 12:40:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: Astrid has left the building
Message-ID: <20030830194026.12365.h028.c000.wm@mail.nme.com.criticalpath.net>

Hi y'all, 

this will be ny last post because i simply do not have
access to a computer that actually functions that
often, since are school computers are fucked, i don't
have internet at home anymore and the library is a
scary place (i am in serious debt to them so i don't
enjoy spending time there anymore) and the posts are
coming in with such speed that i simply do not have the
time to read them all my darlings. I'm sorry.

Sinister has been a lovely place to be, and i was swept
off my feet when i first joined, when i was fifteen.
Now, I'm seventeen, and i am not young and foolish
anymore. (...) But I still do love you all for being so
lovely and nice and funny all the time, especially
during the times when i'm not. 

So, er, thank you all. You are great. Even all those
lurkers who never post. And please, if there's anyone
who'd like to keep up the e-mailing or something please
e-mail me off list, I love the list but you lot write
so much that my inbox gets filled so very quickly all
the time. But please. There are tons of people that i'd
love to keep writing to... so... anyone interested? 

And one last thing: I'm going to Miami for ten days in
April and I was wondering if anyone lives there and
knows if there are any cool places to go (like record
shops or some vintage clothes shop or something. no
bars though because we really are underage and our
parents are coming so it's not exactly the best
circumstances for trying to get in someplace) PLEASE
e-mail me offlist.

And finally.

I will miss you. Sinister is the best, especially for
people who most of the times are as confused as I am.
And one more thing: Sorry for being such a spoilt
little drama queen sometimes. I know I have been so no
polite "Oh but really Astrid, you are lying!" because I
am good at being melodramatic, but I'm working on it.

So goodbye all the people out there. Have nice lives.
Fall in love a lot. Listen to lots of music, like
Damien Rice. Be happy. Don't worry too much. Things
will get better. 

Lots of sentimental and emotional kisses and hugs

Astrid
xxxxxx

P.S. Fuck. I've become so dramatic and sentimental it
is silly. Maybe I'm finally twee. 

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From pinefox1 at xxx.com  Sat Aug 30 21:57:45 2003
From: pinefox1 at xxx.com (P F)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 13:57:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sinister: We'll Be Thrown Out Of The Boozer
Message-ID: <20030830205745.51950.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com>


Break a high note on wine pastilles: the first of too
many sweets. By the time we reach O�Connell Street
they�re nearly all gone. I had forgotten the absurdity
of buses that have refused to give change, but don�t
refuse to take excess cash. Myles would have had a
field day, possibly an anthology. The road through
Drumcondra lined with takeaways and pubs, not much
like a motorway. On O�Connell Street a top-deck
Christian silently reminds me of Belle & Sebastian
(Christians seem to begin to do this), then kindly
gives me some directions I don�t need.
� Thanks, mate, I say, as English as possible.

I wonder how and why the ring of land around O�Connell
Bridge is preserved as it is: coloured walls,
perpetual adverts for Guinness and Bailey�s stretching
beyond vision�s limits into past and future, like a
couple of native firms have bought the place for ever.

The Vicar reckons Paul Morley�s writing is grotesque,
unprecedented, bizarre and unfortunate.

St Michan�s 1000-year-old watchtower. In the quiet
cemetery behind it something makes me think of U2, and
what difference they brought to pop�s vision over 20
years ago: how unusual it was, for instance, to be
photographed on the Dublin docks. Inside the Ten
Commandments hang either side of the altar. These make
me think. Some feel unfamiliar; and their wording is
strongly rooted in 2000-year-old circumstances.
Religion as a community talking to itself; the skyward
appeal as a red herring.

Collins Barracks. Swords to ploughshares and gunpowder
to cappuccinos. Spanish Armada cannon, a Samurai�s
armour, Atlantic cables, cream salvers, sugar bowls.
Coins circulate, medals move only once. Black and Tan
awards for veterans of the War of Independence.
Internee camp tokens, coins stamped UVF or IRA a la
Tristero. How WBY�s committee specified animals to be
on the coins: different artists took up the challenge,
one succeeded in all categories though the judges
expected various names to win. Salmon, wolfhound, ox,
horse. Lady Lavery as Cathleen ni Houlihan, ploughman
and horses at sunset. Notes Kavanagh would have
tendered in the Bailey. A reflection on acceleration:
in modern human history inventions get perfected, then
rapidly superseded. Banknotes are relatively recent in
Ireland, but already, this exhibition tells us, much
money is virtual.

Rick�s Burgers are real and fresh � it�s true. 

A recurring type: the generic middle-aged working man
in a shirt and tie, behind a museum desk or standing
at an entrance, ready to advise on what to see and how
to go places. This one tells me urgently to visit the
military exhibit upstairs: the Wild Geese. Touched I
ascend Portraits, costumes, an Austrian diaspora. In
torchlight dun costumes, sabres glinting. With a
goblet of wine he toasts foreign compeers. Even a
thesaurus is scant help at this game.

The Lord Edward feels like an old English pub, save
that the barman says �Lovely� to a simple order and
brings a pint over minutes later. Goodness, it�s a
long time since I�ve talked about Tales From The Black
Freighter. We can hardly remember what it all meant.
Allegory�s starting to happen.

Green quads and lawns, buildings� obscure and
particular names, dripping trees, old and new
libraries. But for once the real new thing: plastic
floors, the scent of cheap coffee, a milling crowd for
a scientific conference on The Tree of Life, a lecture
theatre slowly casually starting to fill. It sweetly
feels like 10 years ago. Up concrete stairs the edge
of the English Department: between breeze-blocks, face
to face doors behind which lurk imaginary growls and
stale alcoholic smells.

Rain falls on scuba-divers, absent cricketers, the
natural history department with its turbine models and
its great boneframe. How does the poem go? �

They�ve taken the skeleton
Of the Great Irish Elk
Out of the peat, set it up
An astounding crate of air.

In Nassau Street the Irish Tom Jones sings. It�s
groovy, I admit. The rain grows farcical. The heavy,
overripe Mars Bar: mystery of its hegemony. Over fried
platters on a traffic island selected characters from
�Manic Mungo� make a comeback in transient air. Chuck
out the rhino.

Lemon platt, sugarsticky strawberry books. The Burton
is no longer visible, and I doubt that it became the
Bailey as they vaguely claim. The first ten years�
editions are surprisingly readable and elegant,
spaciously printed between the blue covers. �1200. To
you, a chara, �1600. Mutely crave to adore. In the
pricey mall the way people waste money�s visible.
Decorated cows, Irish bulls.
 
George Street South: North to Dame Street, West again
up Lord Edward Street, Christchurch, High Street,
Thomas Street West: into an old Dublin of cheap shops,
butchers, stallholders urging purchases on you, big
fellows in footy colours. The Guinness Hopstore has
improved beyond measure in a dozen years: discarding
information and education and transforming itself to a
high-rolling megastore, its vast lettering and bullish
promotion of the brand is enough to persuade even a
sceptic like me to try the stuff. One missing
ingredient is in the air all around you: Arthur
Guinness. It�s thrue what that man�s afther sayin.

High air at Dublin bar: tourists sprawl across the
crowded floor round the central ring which knocks out
pint after pint from next door. All around through
glass environs: from the Phoenix Park to the Pigeon
House and the mountains, via Collins Barracks, the
Spire, Customs House and Four Courts, distant blocks
of flats, the real Barrytown. I don�t know why it
moves me so.

Grand Canal Dock the local Canary Wharf. Why always a
dock or a wharf? Dun Laoghaire a dominion unto itself:
the serenity of the sea, the motion of the roads. How
Ireland never had� Indie. The Malaysians remind me of
minimalist pop artists. Bells, drums, dancers; their
final collective vocalisation is overwhelming. At the
interval, a view of the changing dark blues of the
evening over the sea, over Howth to which, to where, I
did not yet make it.

The Royal Marine Hotel swings at the heart of a
labyrinth unsignalled on the blithely encouraging map.
Inside a very merely average folk band plays. The best
thing I can hear about them is the snare beat
regularly laid by the drummer who looks like he hails
from Roy Keane�s Cork estate or demesne. People should
use that beat more, I think. Where have I heard it
before? Oh: �Queen of the New Year�. Better fun though
are the tough geezers of the audience. A fat fellow we
imagine to be a Morris dancer groupie, his Umbro top
seeming to proclaim Englishness, does the worst,
perhaps the least energetic, dancing I have ever seen.

� Duelling banjos! he cries. � Duelling banjos!

A shudder of promise as he brushes insouciantly past a
tough biker. The showdown shudderingly promised does
not quite arrive.
 
The Dublin Spire�s only feature is its great height.
If hired for big bucks or exuberant euros to defend
its virtues I�d struggle. At the world party Dublin
Gurus loudly sing. I think of GLC festivals of twenty
years ago. Immigrant children have captioned their
pictures.
� Brown is my favourite colour because I am brown.
The best is a rockist 11-year-old:
� My picture speaks. There are no words.
It�s all about the music.

The music is different wherever you go. Some busker
plays simple variations on a D that catch me. Somehow
we eschew the cr�pes of the French stalls. On the East
Pier look south to Sandycove: a fellow in shades joins
the debate about whether we�re looking at Dalkey. A
familiar figure approaches. He doesn�t just dress like
�Spider-Man� � he moves like �Spider-Man�. It can�t be
� but� he *is* �Spider-Man�!
He bids me strike a webcasting pose.
� Thanks, �Spider-Man�!
� No problem.

The sea is blue: white yachts, a stationary tanker,
the quickly turning sea-cat. How does the novella go?
�

A large quadruped had arisen and was now standing in
the midst of the rocks, spewing showers of putrid
stench around it. At first I thought that an
exceedingly bulky seal stood before me but later the
four feet denied this. Then, the dull sheen in the sky
increased slightly and I saw that a great strong hairy
object was in my company that night, grey-haired and
with prickly red eyes, staring at me angrily.

I think that was a different sea-cat.

Like one-off performers from Robin of Sherwood, Morris
dancers arrive from the Welsh border, masked in
blackface, ribboned red and yellow, a different animal
rampant on each one�s back. Rabbit, tiger, Nick Park�s
sheep. The ringleader reminds me obscurely of Hopkins:
perhaps I am imagining him drinking real ale in a pub
over the eastern sea. A great black bull walks around
the edge of the crowd, near-silent, lending enigmatic
weight to the rest. The Vicar calls him �friendly /
threatening�, covering most bases.

In Pearse�s airy hall of orange brick and green metal
the pink-numbered hen girls wait to move. The chime of
the 6 o�clock city tolls down Dame Street, glimmering
in the sun like a great avenue of Glasgow. Amid the
central hotel�s books the birthday women wear boas. An
English builder calls from his Chinese table to assure
us that Cherie Blair�s Beatles performance was no
figment of the media�s imagination. A bone of
contention: Morrissey and Siouxsie�s �Interlude�. Like
the incredulous Vicar, I think it a record so poor
that I cannot even remember how it goes: but I give it
a listen back home. I think the surprising problem is
that after 10 or 15 years in pop to neither of them
seems to come the great idea of � harmony.

The Brazen Head reputed oldest pub in town beckons
youth to its doors. Beyond the warm courtyard a girl
looking like Britney Spears offers her friends�
favours to reluctant Brits. I don�t fathom the
reluctance. Under Robert Emmet one t only and other
memorabilia we remember how the Mission�s �Butterfly
on a Wheel� announced the tomorrow�s whirl of the
1990s. Time for the Dublin Guru. Birdland were big in
Japan: Power of Dreams were more like the House of
Love than I ever knew: Kylie Minogue has only had two
good songs. I don�t know about that: I don�t even like
all of �CGYOOMH�, after the first few instrumental
bars are through.

The mystery of the geezer: like Scotland Ireland lacks
them, or will not divulge its own word for the
phenomenon. I am reminded that most of the time I say
Geezer I mean Geezthete, in the Nipper�s strict sense.
In the Clarence multicoloured lights flash like the
Edge is in town, or the original Dirty Vicar is
jockeying for discs.

In the Jervis Centre an inspiring pop record bids my
blood take the plunge and buy a bag of pick & mix
sweets. Fizzy cola bottles, sweet teeth, red lips,
white mice. Yesterday�s goals sound unbelievable. Big
Country get their first run-out in long years I�ll
wager. This Sporting Life has the atmosphere and
iconography, but its motivations are obscure; clouds
across the moon.

The tour guides drum into us the answer to Wilde�s
favourite topics: �art and aesthetics�. I am
surprised: I�d have expected some slack comic mileage
in the cheap answer �himself�.

White waves lap water�s edges; towns pass and I wonder
if one is Skerries. The countryside beats England�s
hands down, all fear and no favour. Dundalk: the text
says avoid it, a Wild West town, dead when not deadly.
The border nears, a strange buzz: this momentous
little country of many names; going abroad, yet also
coming back to my own� Kingdom. I will spare you
excessive details of the public toilets of the
station: their striking modernity and elegant blue
tiles.

How does the guidebook go? �

To look at, it is a wholly English creation of the
Victorian period � a parody, almost, of the great
industrial cities of the English Midlands and North,
and once their great rival.

I marvel at that sentence: its compression,
ambivalence, suggestiveness.

The cashpoint feeds me Northern notes which silly
London will not take. The mountains, like Sheffield�s,
are visible beyond the streets. Victoria looking
Northwest, the Titanic memorial. Grandeur, heavy stone
building; local cult of strength. Further North a pub
called the Hercules. No Antaeus. Provincial street
furniture, Aberdeen to Bath: bus stops and bins, amid
the old stone. Another genial generic mid-aged man
gives interminable advice about the best way into the
West. The religious d�cor reminds me again of Belle &
Sebastian and their fascination with characters from
the Bible. The Cornmarket shows no signs of the youth
cults the guide predicts. Bandstand, telephone boxes,
life going round. The Crown is maybe the most
spectacular pub I have ever seen: gold, silver, many
colours shining in and out. Into a booked snug drift
the television�s football voices. The south is almost
like Cambridge: brick buildings, leafy squares and
roads, an anarchy symbol painted on the pillar outside
Queens� granite outpost. The Botanic Gardens are
worthy of a sinister picnic: in fact they put me in
mind of Kelvingrove. The Ulster Museum weirdly bolts
concrete on to granite: for a few yards it convinces.
30 minutes to see its impossible cornucopia: Belfast
painters, Irish cretaceous dinosaurs. Outside a
computer programmer reads me �The Song of Wandering
Aengus�.

Sandy Row�s kerbstones run red white blue white red
white blue white red white blue white red white blue
white red white blue white red white blue white red
white blue white red white blue white red white blue
white red white blue white red white blue white red
white blue white red white blue white red white blue
white red white blue white red white blue white red
white blue white red white blue white red white blue
white red white blue white red white blue white red
white blue white red white blue white red white blue
white red white blue white red white blue white red
white blue white red white blue white red white blue
white red white blue white red white blue white red
white blue white red white blue white red white blue
white red white blue white red white blue white red
white blue white red white blue white red, bunting
flaps diagonals all down the street, union flags fly
from pubs and in crude paint adorn the lids of bins.
London�s Jubilees have nothing on, and little to do
with, this. An old familiar irony: these colours mean
so much more to them than to us. The road�s hyperbole
bespeaks my nation, but leaves me an outsider. So much
talk of union flags � from Townshend to Morrissey,
Weller to Gallagher and even (I see on the Pops when I
return) the feeble-sounding Libertines � has focused
on London, on �Englishness�, on �racism�. To break
open those debates, walk this pavement: the colours
mean something different, and London is a long way
away.

We distant listeners never really understand what�s
meant about these roads: how they relate, how a road
itself can have such significance. As I near the Falls
I feel the intensity of a geographical encounter
finally about to happen. It�s traversed by the shared
taxis but not the army patrols promised by the dated
Guide; the tricolour flies from roofs, every other
gable is painted with elaborate faces. I fear
reprisals for no offence. At least if a republican
pins me to a wall I can reel off the names of his
people�s heroes: less conviction to offer the
loyalists. Children play in green Irish footy shirts,
throw stones at a young woman walking home from dull
work. Around these few square miles so much energy and
worry has been spent. Strange isolation of the place,
a town to itself. On the walls IRA has been updated to
CIRA. So much for taking the nationalist community
with you. But then, for whom does the street art
speak? There must be many who grow among it resenting
and resisting. Above Milltown Cemetery the mountains
brood. At the hill�s foot in a sporting cage women
practice� football. Irish football.

Through a window Cary Grant in Bringing Up Baby plays
on someone�s TV. British TV. Sky TV. Outside the
takeaways boys wear red and white striped shirts. I
can�t believe they�re all Sunderland fans.

Outside a pub a crowd I can�t bypass. A crouching male
waves something at me, crying:
� Pot noodles! Pot noodles!
The rest of the gang jeers and sneers as I pass. I am
not even wearing my Arthur Griffith T-shirt.

Returning to Connolly, west along streets that
suddenly feel comically safe, seeing the silly Spire
down the road, feels like a sort of homecoming. I pass
Joyce, go up and touch him on the arm, like he�s after
all a truer symbol of this place than many have
reckoned or dared sentimentally admit.

Camden Street: the Palace Ballroom. No, no, notorious.
Synge Street: I see (where) Shaw�s framed letters,
albeit uncleared by my office, have been after making
a wall hilarious.
� You have a right to public support, but not to steal
another man�s job by offering to do it for nothing. If
you do not realize this you are a fool, if you do and
persist then you are a blackguard.
Underused word blackguard is. The garden with its
jakes puts me in mind of Eccles Street. Out the top
floor window: the world, the tape says, that Shaw
would take by storm. The Irish Jewish Museum�s
garrulous staff, maybe annoyed that I�m not seeking my
roots, chat in the hall, argue with a traffic warden.

Howth�s harbour a picture: stunning sea, fishing
fleet, smell of fresh herring, Ireland�s Eye offshore,
the standard-issue Martello Tower up on the cliffs.
>From Beshoff�s Italian girls buy chips for one cent
less than advertised price, take them up the hill,
marvelling at blue sea and white breakers. Inland, the
hill seems to rise forever, like something from a
fantasy game book. The rough guide is apt again:

- a sleepy, suburban place full of steep streets and
sudden views.

Back at the harbour Blue Sea ice cream like the cream
sea that is blue in the harbour. The radio flicks on
�Take It Easy�. It sounds more inspiring than it did
in that Glasgow steakhouse on a rainy day.
� It�s a girl! � my lord: with a flat-black Ford.
 I can�t believe how good it sounds; I can�t walk out
of this place till the easily taken guitar solo�s
through.

Belle & Sebastian, yes, one more time. The B&S song
challenge is fuelled by a dangerous few bottles. I
don�t really buy the Vicar�s enthusiasm for �Jonathan
David�, but it does have some kind of� growing
urgency. �Middle Distance Runner�: their best song,
says the Vicar, class of 99, even *this* version. I
think the lead acoustic is mixed too prominently. But
he has a point somewhere. I have never been quite sure
what else is wrong with this version. �Modern Rock
Song�: the folly continues. This was mediocre as a
radio session, mediocre as a 45, is still mediocre a
surprising five years on. �I�m Waking Up To Us� is
probably their most underrated record: a record that
shows that late B&S can be� good. The title track has
such structure, drama, diversity, style, quality of
arrangement, pacing; �Marx and Engels�� genius we
already know. Its overlapping vocals do as much for me
as almost anything else on any B&S record I can think
of.

Sun pours on a string quartet below Bewley�s. Grafton
Street has such a range of busking quality: the real
thing, like this, sounding so good I�d thought it was
a record; but then also, sentries in alcoves up and
down the road, the unbearable freckle-faced mugs of
keening whining boys, an army of drownable chancers
that replenishes itself year on year.

In the Chester Beatty Library ponder again the history
of world religion. Papyrus scraps of the Bible, tiny
comic meditating figures from the Far East. In the
curator�s prose all Buddhisms come to the same thing.

� Through meditation, self-discipline and
thoughtfulness for others, it is possible to reach
Enlightenment.

In a basement your man funds half my steak sandwich,
an astoundingly substantial lunch. Debbie Gibson�s
�Electric Youth� sounds so good I first think it must
be a calculated retroaction. Your man recounts
lengthily a weird plan to write an appreciative essay
on Robbie Williams� desire to be a serious songwriter.
� Son, I want to say kindly: don�t bother!

Taxi past green fields rougher than Heathrow or
Stansted�s modernized plains: within seconds of
take-off the country recedes breathtakingly. The
Pigeon House, the DART line past mud flats through
Sutton: Howth an astounding model village, its fishy
harbour and tower newly framed. Within 15 minutes the
brown rocks of the coast of England. But England � who
cares about England?



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From samwaltonyeah at xxx.com  Sun Aug 31 14:58:07 2003
From: samwaltonyeah at xxx.com (Sam Walton)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:58:07 +0000
Subject: Sinister: Free jazz blender solo
Message-ID: <Law9-F5RacUtI9dm5Ux000178a2@hotmail.com>

Hello Sinister.

Things always go a bit strange on The List around August, doncha think? For 
me, August always brings back memories of P*ter C*rter or the A*gel 
Bl*ckw*ell stirring things up, with regard to Sinister at least. Perhaps 
it's just the heat. Of course, it might not have been August at all - that's 
just how I remember it.

I must say that I'm very much enjoying Robin's previews of the new album. I 
have also heard a rumour that if you play Travelling Light backwards, you 
can clearly hear Stuart David saying "I smell of wee... I smell of wee". 
It's true, too, y'know; the rumour that is, not the statement. But look out 
for it - it's just after the free jazz blender solo in 17/8 time.

In maybe more substantiated album news, I found this, 
http://bigleaguers.yahoo.com/mlb/players/4928/, which looks suspiciously 
like the inspiration behind track seven. He's clearly a looker, too: 
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/photo?slug=1061781154.mets_dodgers_lad106&prov=ap. 
However, being the slight sports nerd that I am, I noticed that his batting 
stats documented 1690 career homers, which sounds pretty impressive for a 
catcher to me. I mean, I'd be happy with that, for sure. But can anyone 
who's more au fait with baseball averages help me out?

Anyway, lazing on a Sunday afternoon-ah is all very well, but it won't get 
the dinner cooked now, will it? No, it won't. How did the bank holiday 
picnic go, anyone?

love

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From ajpiano at xxx.com  Sun Aug 31 18:04:13 2003
From: ajpiano at xxx.com (ajpiano at xxx.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:04:13 -0400
Subject: Sinister: new york catcher
Message-ID: <39F71772.039B44AB.001D7F1E@aol.com>

Dear Sinister,
 
What a terrible way to make my first post.  I've spent six months now on this list, and despite all the poetics and civil war, I was not inspired.  What, then, could compel me to make a post to Sinister after all this time?
 
A baseball statistic.
 
There is no way that Mike Piazza has hit 1690 career home runs.  The record for home runs in a career is 755, held by Hank Aaron.  If Piazza had hit 1690 home runs, he would have needed to average 141 home runs a season thus far.  He has averaged 30.  
 
He has hit 358.
 
I can not be so conclusive about his sexuality.
 
 
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From zoziepop at xxx.com  Sun Aug 31 22:14:16 2003
From: zoziepop at xxx.com (Dimitra Daisy)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 00:14:16 +0300
Subject: Sinister: You're as pretty as pink lemonade
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Dear Sinister,

Time is a funny thing. It doesn't wash everything away as some people say it 
does, no - but the amount of things it does wash away never ceases to amaze 
me. Somedays my life feels like a beach after the tide was been and gone, 
but in a brilliant way: I picture stretches of brownish, wet, slightly 
sparkly sand bathing in the sunset light - there's even a wooden pier with 
something red and and blue on it (I'm better at imagining colours and I am 
at shapes, with which I am actually rather hopeless) and the sea is far 
away, a grey shade of blue. It is appropriately windy and as I walk along 
the sea with my hands in my pockets and the new Pipas' song in my ears and 
the world at my feet.

There was a time when I swore I would never forget my first love. Sure 
enough, I haven't - but anything sad concerning him has long ago vanished 
from my life. There was a time when I admitted to myself -crying in bed at 
five am- that I don't think I'll ever get over The Boy. It took a very long 
time, but these days I forget about him more than I remember him. There was 
a day last October, when I arrived to London having stayed up all night and 
waited in Prague airport for six hours, and I remember everything about like 
it was yesterday: the green of the grass underneath the London Eye, the blue 
skies, the way me & David sat next to each other on the platform in Dorking 
and started talking as if we had last done it the day before. The way he 
smoked. The biscuits his mum wanted to feed me. The way we made love for the 
first time as the sky turned grey. And even though in a way it feels like 
yesterday, in another it's miles away.

And the time we first started Friends of the Heroes - remember how new and 
innocent we were, and how excited? We thought it was the best thing ever. 
These days I need to remind myself to think this way. Things change so much. 
I once sat at the steps that lead to the river in Inverness - on a 
not-all-that-cold winter evening, on a moment so beautiful it changed my 
world to something better. It was a bit like Heaven. Today, Heaven looks 
more like a clubnight in my head. But would it be if Mark hadn't had 
Tigermilking on my birthday? Would it be if Ken hadn't made me dance? 
There's a beach somewhere in England that sometimes features in my dreams (I 
once dreamed there was a Sarah Records festival taking place on it); and it 
is yet another place I would never have known had it not been for Sinister 
(and for me being a little crazy, too).

And that night train - from Paris to Bordeaux, I think it was - do you 
remember the lights of suburban Paris blurring by while we talked about The 
List? I do. And I remember the thrill of it all. And that spring, four and a 
half years ago, when I first took Belle and Sebastian home: how they warmed 
my heart and made the world a brighter place and life more poetic. And how 
months went by, even years, and they still seemed the best thing ever: I 
thought it would never end. Sinister was a close second: do you remember the 
time you first discovered you're not alone, because there are loads of other 
people like you out there? I do - and I remember a September two years ago 
when Sinister was what made my world go round.

But things change. Life puts too much stuff between where you were and were 
you are now. Where you were loses significance to where you are because were 
you are is always more, just because it's the present. I call this force 
metaphorical gravity and I find it quite an uplifting thing, really: when 
everything goes wrong and it seems impossible that things will ever get 
better you can trust that they will change with time.

Listening to The Band on KCRW the other day, I found myself almost getting 
bored. I mean, sure, they can play, and Scooby Driver is such a brilliant 
song, and I love it so much when Stuart and Stevie sing together - but 
that's not the sort of music that will break my heart and change my life 
anymore. I sat there making a list of all the albums I'm looking forward 
more that Dear Catastrophe Waitress, and I found there were at least three, 
maybe four, or maybe even five of them. And I forget to look into my 
'Sinister' folder half the time. Whenever I think of Sinister I invariably 
think of something Ally Cook had said -on the only ILE thread I've ever 
read; it was along the lines of "I don't seem to have much time for it 
lately, but it's only because of the other directions it has sent me off in" 
and it sums my feelings up perfectly.

But don't worry. Belle and Sebastian might not be the band that breaks my 
heart into a million beautiful pieces and then glues it back together in a 
better way anymore, but there are new bands to do it. They might not be as 
good but they are just as wonderful. My life might not revolve around 
Sinister anymore, and it is better this way, too. But a post by Ally Cook or 
the Pinefox, or Anders for that matter, has never failed to make smile and 
as the KCRW set was closing to an end and Stuart launched into 'The State I 
An In' my heart jumped and tears came to my eyes. Some things never age. 
Life washes away most everything but good things never fade away. Indeed I 
think they stay with you forever and keep you company through gloomy winters 
and dark nights.

All I'm trying to say is I'm happy and I have you to thank for it, mostly.

No, seriously.

Shine on,
Dimitra Daisy
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From lost_madflowr at xxx.com  Sun Aug 31 23:49:17 2003
From: lost_madflowr at xxx.com (leigh madflowr)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:49:17 +0000
Subject: Sinister: O/T britpop/shoegaze shirt auctions on ebay (ends tomorrow)
Message-ID: <Law11-F34A3ZaNXv8IV000154db@hotmail.com>

i'm selling some band shirts on ebay as a fundraiser for my upcoming move to 
chicago. some of the band shirts are britpop/indie/shoegaze. anyway, it'd be 
nice if you'd at least check them out (and tell a friend), since they end 
tomorrow: <a 
href="http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=madflowr&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50">auctions</a>.

ps. sorry for posting to sinister. i realize this has nothing to do with 
b&s, but i'm just trying to spread the word.

thanks so much,
leigh

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