From jayeckard at xxx.com Wed Oct 1 05:35:46 2003 From: jayeckard at xxx.com (Jay Eckard) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 04:35:46 +0000 Subject: Sinister: He asked for it... Unfortuantely it wasn't quite what I wanted to give him. Message-ID: My, my Sinister! Young Mr Stoutish said we should send in reviews of DICKYWUSS. I figured, "Hey! I write reviews! I can do that tout suite!" You see, part of my job at my radio station (WXDU) involves me reviewing new Music, and of course I snagged the new B&S when it came in. So here's my station review, hopefully useful, but concise enough to fit on the cover of the CD. I'd be interested in what you collectively think. Hugs to Girls and Kisses to Boys, GayJay PS: Ifn y'all like this review, there's plenty more just like at www.jaylemurphreviews.blogspot.com... The Review: Artist: Belle and Sebastian Album: Dear Catastrophe Waitress Label: Rough Trade Rating: 4.5 *s out of 5 Whoo-hoo! A new start for B&S works wonders! Moving from their long-time label Jeepster, finding a new producer in the form of Trevor Horne (yes, the one who did TaTu) and having ditched Bel Campbell from their line-up during their US tour last year have all combined for their best album in a while. Horne lends them some forgotten hader rock sounds (Yes, forgotten. Keep in mind the band was born as a Metal Band called Rhode Island. Yes it was.) that create some great pop music like the title track, track one and eleven. They keep a strong grip on the pop sounds they're famous for, but tweak them a bit. There's all the orchestral strength you remember, but it shifts into brassy, more voiced sounds rather than oodles of strings. (2) And just cause they're Belle and Sebastian, there's some great twee stuff -- Lord Anthony, track 9, has been done for at least 5 years live and finally get the studio treatment it deserves. It's a heart-breaking little tale of Anthony, beat up at school and crossdressing... The .5 reduction comes from the Noise Factor Horne brings with him: in several tracks, esp. in the last track (the poorest outing), it stops being The Funk and starts to be The Pest. But still A Damn Fine Album. Worth all those days in 97 I spent drooling over Stuart Murdoch. All Tracks clean Recommended tracks 11!!, 1, 9 Play if you like: Good music. This has it all. -- "The Posby falls into a Trance In which it does a little Dance." Edward Gorey _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your existing Internet access and enjoy patented spam protection and more. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From R.Playforth at xxx.uk Wed Oct 1 10:30:33 2003 From: R.Playforth at xxx.uk (Rachel Playforth) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:30:33 +0100 Subject: Sinister: fuzzy Message-ID: <5315272.1065004233@slir2301.central.susx.ac.uk> I don't know how I feel about the new album. Not that I've heard it, I just mean how I feel about the prospect. I don't think I feel anything. I just think: there's an album coming out. I don't have it in me to be a fan any more. Of anything. I still have music that I love to listen to; Buck 65 makes me marvel, Busted make me grin, Camera Obscura make me smile and cry, Go Betweens make me warm and fuzzy, Beyonce makes me shake my booty, etc etc. And Belle & Sebastian still do some of the things they always do. But they don't creep into an empty space in my head and live there any more, because that space isn't there. Nobody else's words or lyrics fit my life perfectly now, because I've worked out my own words (less eloquent though they may be). I can still be moved by music but I can't be defined by it. I can't turn to Stuart Murdoch to solve a problem, but I don't really need to. There's a trend, in my life as well as in some of my friends', to shift away from the 'meaningful' music I loved as a teenager - Radiohead and Smashing Pumpkins and REM, and yes, B&S - and towards frothy chart pop. I thought for a while that this was just because I've grown up and I'm not such a repellent little snob. But thinking about it, it's also because some 'meaningful' music is only meaningful when you haven't got a meaning of your own yet. Once life has solidified around you a bit, even 10 minutes of intense wailing and verbiage doesn't quite cover all the bases. Better to leap around to S Club 8 and mentally stave off impending death than pretend that Coldplay feel your pain. And that's why gigs and albums and DVDs by Belle & Sebastian are just gigs and albums and DVDs to me now. I feel like a traitor, but then again B&S have always been more than the sum of their indie parts, just by virtue of indirectly causing Sinister and all its seismic interpersonal happenings. By which I mean to say: I couldn't have met half the people that give my daily life its sparkle were it not for Belle & Sebastian. That's no mean feat. So of course I'll buy the album and shell out for a ticket to see them in Brighton - finally! - and follow their fortunes with extra fondness, even if I won't spend any more time musing on the track order and the new direction and the lyrical conundrums that I would for anyone else. Hope you're all well and ready to embrace autumn (or spring). New seasons seem either to bring very good or very bad things, but nothing ever stands still. I'm going to be a student again next week, which is doing all kinds of scary things to my sense of identity. Maybe I *will* return to angsty music after all... Oh, and Glasgow lot - I'm hitting your city in two weeks time. It's been far too long, and I can't wait :) love Archel xxx PS. I refuse to believe that Maddieminx isn't still reading on the quiet, so: yo! Maddie! check your email! PPS. Very very happy birthdays to Stacey dahling and Laura Llew, two of the presiding spirits of Sinister and both deserving of gifts and adulation to the max! PPPS. Extra hugs to Ken Chu. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ruth.allan at xxx.uk Wed Oct 1 11:00:28 2003 From: ruth.allan at xxx.uk (Ruth Allan) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:00:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: fuzzy Message-ID: oh thanks to rachel, I know exactly how she feels in that what was once a complete addiction in my life, not just to b&s but to suede and... oh my life... U2 and sidi bou said... arg... yes, and tiny songs like cornershops first ep meant everything to me, is no longer so powerful. I imagine its cos I have less cash and more bills and am 27 and contemplating what nursery to send the baby to, but actually its more cos like she says the hole in my life isnt so big anymore - and part of me feels guilty that thats the case. I hope its not just growing up in some ways, and I hope that music might take on something like that importance again. I still listen to music ALL day and waste the other parts discussing the merits of frontmen ( can it be reasonable to know more about damon alburn's opinions than your own?) and writing rubbish like this ; Dear Catastrophe Waitress Belle and Sebastian (Rough Trade) Know Belle and Sebastian's records and you'll understand what it is to hold your breathe until the album has a chance to weave it's way into your soul and you can sing nothing but 'Judy and The Dream of Horses'... making one appear highly fey. But with Dear Catastrophe Waitress, Belle and Sebastian have returned for their fifth proper album with an accessible avalanche of, well, catchy pop. From the folk frippery of tracks like 'Piazza, New York Catcher' to showtune bugling 'You Don't Send Me' it's all a bit different from the downbeat melancholia of Storytelling. Even if it doesn't grab you on arrival, know that in three months you'll have it on permanent rotation, and this time around, sing it loud, sing it proud - there is not a mention of horses in earshot. 9/10 - sounds a bit 'q' in retrospect... But it's just not my whole soul anymore. Boo. for me thats what comes from being split in two, but also from going out with people... whereas in the olden days I kind of whent out with brett and bernard from suede in my head, which meant that the boy on the bus wasnt quite so essential. humpf. gripping.. has anyone seen qee bears? or italian for beginners? or joe cairns from wigan? ruthxx -----Original Message----- From: Rachel Playforth [mailto:R.Playforth at xxx.uk] Sent: 01 October 2003 10:31 To: Sinister Mailing List Subject: Sinister: fuzzy I don't know how I feel about the new album. Not that I've heard it, I just mean how I feel about the prospect. I don't think I feel anything. I just think: there's an album coming out. I don't have it in me to be a fan any more. Of anything. I still have music that I love to listen to; Buck 65 makes me marvel, Busted make me grin, Camera Obscura make me smile and cry, Go Betweens make me warm and fuzzy, Beyonce makes me shake my booty, etc etc. And Belle & Sebastian still do some of the things they always do. But they don't creep into an empty space in my head and live there any more, because that space isn't there. Nobody else's words or lyrics fit my life perfectly now, because I've worked out my own words (less eloquent though they may be). I can still be moved by music but I can't be defined by it. I can't turn to Stuart Murdoch to solve a problem, but I don't really need to. There's a trend, in my life as well as in some of my friends', to shift away from the 'meaningful' music I loved as a teenager - Radiohead and Smashing Pumpkins and REM, and yes, B&S - and towards frothy chart pop. I thought for a while that this was just because I've grown up and I'm not such a repellent little snob. But thinking about it, it's also because some 'meaningful' music is only meaningful when you haven't got a meaning of your own yet. Once life has solidified around you a bit, even 10 minutes of intense wailing and verbiage doesn't quite cover all the bases. Better to leap around to S Club 8 and mentally stave off impending death than pretend that Coldplay feel your pain. And that's why gigs and albums and DVDs by Belle & Sebastian are just gigs and albums and DVDs to me now. I feel like a traitor, but then again B&S have always been more than the sum of their indie parts, just by virtue of indirectly causing Sinister and all its seismic interpersonal happenings. By which I mean to say: I couldn't have met half the people that give my daily life its sparkle were it not for Belle & Sebastian. That's no mean feat. So of course I'll buy the album and shell out for a ticket to see them in Brighton - finally! - and follow their fortunes with extra fondness, even if I won't spend any more time musing on the track order and the new direction and the lyrical conundrums that I would for anyone else. Hope you're all well and ready to embrace autumn (or spring). New seasons seem either to bring very good or very bad things, but nothing ever stands still. I'm going to be a student again next week, which is doing all kinds of scary things to my sense of identity. Maybe I *will* return to angsty music after all... Oh, and Glasgow lot - I'm hitting your city in two weeks time. It's been far too long, and I can't wait :) love Archel xxx PS. I refuse to believe that Maddieminx isn't still reading on the quiet, so: yo! Maddie! check your email! PPS. Very very happy birthdays to Stacey dahling and Laura Llew, two of the presiding spirits of Sinister and both deserving of gifts and adulation to the max! PPPS. Extra hugs to Ken Chu. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stoutrobin at xxx.com Wed Oct 1 11:19:29 2003 From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:19:29 +0000 Subject: Sinister: b+s documentary and new website Message-ID: I reckon Idleberry just wants Dear Catastrophe Waitress to be Tigermilk 5. I do agree that Underachievers Please Try Harder is probably the better album - it's one of the best albums I've heard for ages - but I like the feeling of recklessness that DICKYWUSS has about it. It manages to be diverse but still fit together somehow, like the old EPs used to do. And certain songs are absolutely gorgeous. I think Idleberry just wants Belle and Sebastian to be more twee. It's funny, I've heard a few people dissing the whole "I'd rather be in Tokyo, I'd rather listen to Thin Lizzy-oh" line, because it doesn't rhyme properly. I find this very odd. Stuart's lyrics have never really rhymed properly. In Lord Anthony he rhymes "toff" with "maths". I don't think rhyming has ever had anything to do with why i like Stuart's lyrics. Anyone can use a rhyming dictionary if they want to. I expect he doesn't want to. Well.. what i actually posted to say was that the B+S website has a link to the brand new Dear Catastrophe Waitress website at www.dearcatastrophewaitress.com, where you can hear snippets of the album tracks, read the song lyrics, look at photos and play a somewhat baffling game. The lyrics are great, and it's good to see them all laid out. Some of the lyrics here are different to those in the recording, another lovely habit of Stuart's - there are lines about CS Lewis and a whole extra verse to Stay Loose. There's also a lovely piece of writing by Stuart about eggs and how his favourite word is "creepeth", which I read last night when I was staggeringly drunk and don't remember all that well. This might be the sleevenotes, although i'm not too sure about that. Also, more exciting news, to accompany the single Step Into My Office b+s have released a documentary about a typical day in the life of Richard Colburn, during which he nobs some foxy secretaries and runs about in his pants. You can have a look at it here: http://www.lesinrocks.com/DetailArt...m?iditem=162182 . BYE!! robin xxx _________________________________________________________________ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wp237567 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 1 11:42:42 2003 From: wp237567 at xxx.uk (wp237567 at xxx.uk) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:42:42 +0100 Subject: Sinister: for all those who want to listen to the album Message-ID: <1065004962.3f7aafa2c35c0@webmail.staffs.ac.uk> okay after my nonsecal mail yesterday I got an email from a beatiful Sinister virgin still kicking around the nursery called Maaike, unfortunatly my ignorance of dutch names means I can't tell you if thy are male or female or even somewhere inbetween or either neither, but we're all beatiful on here right? okay they sent me a link to a dutch radio sation's preview of the DCW Album so you can listen to the album online! http://www.vpro.nl/3voor12/luisterpaal/luisterpaalalbum.shtml?10617791+14256838 You'll probably need a fast connection for it to work and the quality is retty good. All hail the androgynous Maaike. I'd pass their email address to you but I don't want to do that without their permission. you'll have to wait until they join the fold. Until then I'm keeping them in a little box! my apolagie for the spelling mistakes in my last mail, I hate spelling mistakes, but my webmail service for my uni address doesn't have a spell check... Neil P.S. sorry about the lack of cow Maaike, I'll send it when I have time! ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From marcbots at xxx.nl Wed Oct 1 11:53:57 2003 From: marcbots at xxx.nl (marc) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:53:57 +0200 Subject: Sinister: for all those who want to listen to the album In-Reply-To: <1065004962.3f7aafa2c35c0@webmail.staffs.ac.uk> References: <1065004962.3f7aafa2c35c0@webmail.staffs.ac.uk> Message-ID: hi there, how are you all? fine? that's good. just wanted to let you now that you can listen legally (i assume) to dear catastrophe waitress at http://www.vpro.nl/3voor12/luisterpaal/luisterpaalmain.shtml that is, if you didn't download it yet. i love it (the album, i mean). take care, love marc +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From boyincorduroy at xxx.com Wed Oct 1 12:06:46 2003 From: boyincorduroy at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Mark=20Casarotto?=) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:06:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Dear Catastrophizzy Waitrizzy In-Reply-To: <200310010930.KAA10839@missprint.org> Message-ID: <20031001110646.9250.qmail@web10403.mail.yahoo.com> Yo, birthday wishes from me too, though I fear I may be a little late... Archel SO was doing a "frankly Sinister, you bore me" post there, but wussed out at the last minute. Typical of people who live in Brighton; they simply don't have the balls to deal with London. How's that for a gauntlet across the face? (NB to all you tweeists who are SHOCKED at my nastiness - I'm *not serious* and Archel is a very close friend who I am going to drive with for 8 hours, that's how much I like her. It's banter, it's fun, hope that's okay) SGS should post more, I think. She's dead right about "Piazza..." - it sounds more like Rhoda than anything else they've done, but if they use that as an excuse not to ever release Rhoda I shall personally go up to Struan and kick him in the nuts. And laugh. Heartily, like a pirate. "HA HA HA!" I don't like "Stay Loose". I don't like Bowie all that much, and it just sounds affected. Why produce one song to stand out like a sore thumb among its peers? Sore thumbs down for that one. Also "Roy Walker" - worst song since The Clunker? But but but - the rest of the album is a-growing on me with every listen. If it follows previous form, it'll keep growing on me for weeks and months and years, and I'll be able to hail it as a masterpiece despite the "Yellow Submarine"-ness of RW. It's ever so exciting, and makes me glow. Uh-huh, ah yeah, Mark xxx ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From knitting_factory at xxx.com Wed Oct 1 12:19:03 2003 From: knitting_factory at xxx.com (ulla) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:19:03 +0300 Subject: Sinister: You've been to me what a chocolate is to a girl on pms Message-ID: Three years. Not an awfully long time. But not that short either. All those long distance connections that have warmed up my heart behind computer screen. But. I have to let you go now. For now. For some time. I hope to be back. Soon. (Maybe even sooner). Sigh, I feel like I’m writing a good-bye letter to a lover. You know, when you've been part of sinister it will never let you go. Somehow it will always be part of you. It makes a small nest upon your heart where it will stay forever. Some things are like that. Some people are like that too. So many of you are like that. People who are strong and proud to be vulnerable. The most significant thing about you is the tendency to care about everything others may find totally insignificant. This has been (and will continue to be) a place where people don’t have to scream to be heard. Thank you for that. Thank you for your sincerity. Thank you for letting me draw for you for a while. We’ll meet again. Ulla and of course: Happy birthday Llew and Rachel Fruitloop-Apps! +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From R.Playforth at xxx.uk Wed Oct 1 13:39:07 2003 From: R.Playforth at xxx.uk (Rachel Playforth) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 13:39:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: oops Message-ID: <16629842.1065015547@slir2301.central.susx.ac.uk> Corrections and clarifications: 1) it is not in fact Stacey's birthday, of course. I think my brain has died and gone to librarian heaven (many books, no students, no cataloguing dilemmas). Possibly I meant to type Rachel Fruitloop. Even if I didn't, I will do so now. Happy birthday for yesterday! And Laura for tomorrow. And, um, Wallace Stevens. 2) Frankly Mark, you bore me. And did I mention that I suffer quite badly from travel sickness? Hope you haven't had the car valeted recently.... :P Right. Sorry again. (Send Stacey presents anyway, why the hell not?) Archel xxx +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stephanowic at xxx.it Wed Oct 1 14:14:34 2003 From: stephanowic at xxx.it (Stefano [Steady-State]) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:14:34 +0200 Subject: Sinister: is this my hometown? Message-ID: My Dear Sinisters Mark H. said a few of his colleagues think his a bit odd. I just think he is a lovely and still have to thank him properly for coming all the way down from O!X!F!O!R!D! to listen to the My Dear Killer gig about one month ago. And a couple of day after the south London black out that had left the tube in tatters for a while .that should be consider odd, but itÂ’s definitely sweet! Thank you very much to Paul H. who came as well, thatÂ’s was very nice of yours. Indeed. Talking about oddness that reminds me a couple of weeks ago I was standing in the pub at the Union with a few colleagues, as well. Actually, more or less the usual suspect. Still was August, in the tail of the heat wave, or something that. As usual after a few pints the conversation got out of control, and, as the Roman used to say, “in vino veritas”. Here is more lager then other, but alcohol is basically involved. Randomly talking about thirty-something related general disillusion and lack of satisfaction with everyday life A. pointed out all the good looking chaps in the place were we work are either taken, or donÂ’t wonÂ’t to go out with people from work. And then, only the weird one remaining. As far as I remember IÂ’ve not been asked out by the dear A., I should be definitely included in the weird posse. Which is not so different from being considered odd. I always thought that a bit of mentalism is well, interesting, if not entertaining. It avoids boredom as well. B! ut, well, thank you very much for pointing it out! Something that ill be considered definitely odd by everyone who had known since well, thirteen I guess, is hearing me saying IÂ’m going to a club to dance. My main role in dancing events, before, well, I guess, December of a couple of years ago, has been trying to be as mimetic as possible with the wallpaper. Have you ever notice that there is a kind of tendency to paint the wall black in clubs? They are probably dark enough not to notice the colour the walls are painted anyway. I donÂ’t know what I thought was wrong with dancing. I think just I felt uncomfortable, generally out of place, and space, and overall silly. Guess, I was loosing it. It is surely things like having seen people dancing on teenage riot, or like dylan in the movies; being around at places such as How does it feel, the Silver Rocket, the Winchester club, which had made me changed my mind. Something which is not often so easy: I can be quite stupidly straight on my opinion, for how dull they are. IÂ’m wondering if is this what happiness is like? David mentioned there is a mk. II Tigermilking night year 2003, right after the football decider with turkey. I bet on turkey to be in the final of the world cup. They didnÂ’t make but deserved it. I tried to point it out to the booky but didnÂ’t work. They say only the final fixture was to be considered. Life is so unfair! And I am weird after all, So better go back to magnetic resonance and pencils for breakfast, Take care Your, rather steady Stefano :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- lent you my favorite dictionary came back with ripped out pages stopped by so uninvited wasted good silverware on you you can't trust violence. :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stephanowic at xxx.it Wed Oct 1 14:13:42 2003 From: stephanowic at xxx.it (Stefano [Steady-State]) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:13:42 +0200 Subject: Sinister: is this my hometown? Message-ID: My Dear Sinisters Mark H. said a few of his colleagues think his a bit odd. I just think he is a lovely and still have to thank him properly for coming all the way down from O!X!F!O!R!D! to listen to the My Dear Killer gig about one month ago. And a couple of day after the south London black out that had left the tube in tatters for a while .that should be consider odd, but itÂ’s definitely sweet! Thank you very much to Paul H. who came as well, thatÂ’s was very nice of yours. Indeed. Talking about oddness that reminds me a couple of weeks ago I was standing in the pub at the Union with a few colleagues, as well. Actually, more or less the usual suspect. Still was August, in the tail of the heat wave, or something that. As usual after a few pints the conversation got out of control, and, as the Roman used to say, “in vino veritas”. Here is more lager then other, but alcohol is basically involved. Randomly talking about thirty-something related general disillusion and lack of satisfaction with everyday life A. pointed out all the good looking chaps in the place were we work are either taken, or donÂ’t wonÂ’t to go out with people from work. And then, only the weird one remaining. As far as I remember IÂ’ve not been asked out by the dear A., I should be definitely included in the weird posse. Which is not so different from being considered odd. I always thought that a bit of mentalism is well, interesting, if not entertaining. It avoids boredom as well. B! ut, well, thank you very much for pointing it out! Something that ill be considered definitely odd by everyone who had known since well, thirteen I guess, is hearing me saying IÂ’m going to a club to dance. My main role in dancing events, before, well, I guess, December of a couple of years ago, has been trying to be as mimetic as possible with the wallpaper. Have you ever notice that there is a kind of tendency to paint the wall black in clubs? They are probably dark enough not to notice the colour the walls are painted anyway. I donÂ’t know what I thought was wrong with dancing. I think just I felt uncomfortable, generally out of place, and space, and overall silly. Guess, I was loosing it. It is surely things like having seen people dancing on teenage riot, or like dylan in the movies; being around at places such as How does it feel, the Silver Rocket, the Winchester club, which had made me changed my mind. Something which is not often so easy: I can be quite stupidly straight on my opinion, for how dull they are. IÂ’m wondering if is this what happiness is like? David mentioned there is a mk. II Tigermilking night year 2003, right after the football decider with turkey. I bet on turkey to be in the final of the world cup. They didnÂ’t make but deserved it. I tried to point it out to the booky but didnÂ’t work. They say only the final fixture was to be considered. Life is so unfair! And I am weird after all, So better go back to magnetic resonance and pencils for breakfast, Take care Your, rather steady Stefano :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- lent you my favorite dictionary came back with ripped out pages stopped by so uninvited wasted good silverware on you can't trust violence. :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stephanowic at xxx.it Wed Oct 1 14:13:06 2003 From: stephanowic at xxx.it (Stefano [Steady-State]) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:13:06 +0200 Subject: Sinister: what's left upon your dish Message-ID: My Dear Sinisters Mark H. said a few of his colleagues think his a bit odd. I just think he is a lovely and still have to thank him properly for coming all the way down from O!X!F!O!R!D! to listen to the My Dear Killer gig about one month ago. And a couple of day after the south London black out that had left the tube in tatters for a while .that should be consider odd, but itÂ’s definitely sweet! Thank you very much to Paul H. who came as well, thatÂ’s was very nice of yours. Indeed. Talking about oddness that reminds me a couple of weeks ago I was standing in the pub at the Union with a few colleagues, as well. Actually, more or less the usual suspect. Still was August, in the tail of the heat wave, or something that. As usual after a few pints the conversation got out of control, and, as the Roman used to say, “in vino veritas”. Here is more lager then other, but alcohol is basically involved. Randomly talking about thirty-something related general disillusion and lack of satisfaction with everyday life A. pointed out all the good looking chaps in the place were we work are either taken, or donÂ’t wonÂ’t to go out with people from work. And then, only the weird one remaining. As far as I remember IÂ’ve not been asked out by the dear A., I should be definitely included in the weird posse. Which is not so different from being considered odd. I always thought that a bit of mentalism is well, interesting, if not entertaining. It avoids boredom as well. B! ut, well, thank you very much for pointing it out! Something that ill be considered definitely odd by everyone who had known since well, thirteen I guess, is hearing me saying IÂ’m going to a club to dance. My main role in dancing events, before, well, I guess, December of a couple of years ago, has been trying to be as mimetic as possible with the wallpaper. Have you ever notice that there is a kind of tendency to paint the wall black in clubs? They are probably dark enough not to notice the colour the walls are painted anyway. I donÂ’t know what I thought was wrong with dancing. I think just I felt uncomfortable, generally out of place, and space, and overall silly. Guess, I was loosing it. It is surely things like having seen people dancing on teenage riot, or like dylan in the movies; being around at places such as How does it feel, the Silver Rocket, the Winchester club, which had made me changed my mind. Something which is not often so easy: I can be quite stupidly straight on my opinion, for how dull they are. IÂ’m wondering if is this what happiness is like? David mentioned there is a mk. II Tigermilking night year 2003, right after the football decider with turkey. I bet on turkey to be in the final of the world cup. They didnÂ’t make but deserved it. I tried to point it out to the booky but didnÂ’t work. They say only the final fixture was to be considered. Life is so unfair! And I am weird after all, So better go back to magnetic resonance and pencils for breakfast, Take care Your, rather steady Stefano :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- lent you my favorite dictionary came back with ripped out pages stopped by so uninvited wasted good silverware on you can't trust violence. :-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stephanowic at xxx.it Wed Oct 1 14:17:24 2003 From: stephanowic at xxx.it (Stefano [Steady-State]) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:17:24 +0200 Subject: Sinister: is this my hometown? Message-ID: My Dear Sinisters Mark H. said a few of his colleagues think his a bit odd. I just think he is a lovely and still have to thank him properly for coming all the way down from O!X!F!O!R!D! to listen to the My Dear Killer gig about one month ago. And a couple of day after the south London black out that had left the tube in tatters for a while .that should be consider odd, but itÂ’s definitely sweet! Thank you very much to Paul H. who came as well, thatÂ’s was very nice of yours. Indeed. Talking about oddness that reminds me a couple of weeks ago I was standing in the pub at the Union with a few colleagues, as well. Actually, more or less the usual suspect. Still was August, in the tail of the heat wave, or something that. As usual after a few pints the conversation got out of control, and, as the Roman used to say, “in vino veritas”. Here is more lager then other, but alcohol is basically involved. Randomly talking about thirty-something related general disillusion and lack of satisfaction with everyday life A. pointed out all the good looking chaps in the place were we work are either taken, or donÂ’t wonÂ’t to go out with people from work. And then, only the weird one remaining. As far as I remember IÂ’ve not been asked out by the dear A., I should be definitely included in the weird posse. Which is not so different from being considered odd. I always thought that a bit of mentalism is well, interesting, if not entertaining. It avoids boredom as well. B! ut, well, thank you very much for pointing it out! Something that ill be considered definitely odd by everyone who had known since well, thirteen I guess, is hearing me saying IÂ’m going to a club to dance. My main role in dancing events, before, well, I guess, December of a couple of years ago, has been trying to be as mimetic as possible with the wallpaper. Have you ever notice that there is a kind of tendency to paint the wall black in clubs? They are probably dark enough not to notice the colour the walls are painted anyway. I donÂ’t know what I thought was wrong with dancing. I think just I felt uncomfortable, generally out of place, and space, and overall silly. Guess, I was loosing it. It is surely things like having seen people dancing on teenage riot, or like dylan in the movies; being around at places such as How does it feel, the Silver Rocket, the Winchester club, which had made me changed my mind. Something which is not often so easy: I can be quite stupidly straight on my opinion, for how dull they are. IÂ’m wondering if is this what happiness is like? David mentioned there is a mk. II Tigermilking night year 2003, right after the football decider with turkey. I bet on turkey to be in the final of the world cup. They didnÂ’t make but deserved it. I tried to point it out to the booky but didnÂ’t work. They say only the final fixture was to be considered. Life is so unfair! And I am weird after all, So better go back to magnetic resonance and pencils for breakfast, Take care Your, rather steady Stefano +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From S.Hewitt at xxx.uk Wed Oct 1 15:10:50 2003 From: S.Hewitt at xxx.uk (Hewitt, Stephen) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:10:50 +0100 Subject: Sinister: BlimX0r Message-ID: ello babies OK, so I've been reading all your opinions vis a vis the new album and I'm listening to the Liz Kershaw show on radio 6 and she'd knocked together a little sampler of half a dozen of the tracks, and just as I was thinking: "Dear Catastrophe Waitress? Dear Jake Shillingford* MORE LIKE!!!!" it cut into the first 15 seconds of Lord Anthony and STOPPED me DEAD in my tracks and I wanted to sing along VERY LOUDLY in the office but couldn't as I work in a very quiet environment where shouting is not exactly usual and neither is BEAMING LIKE A LOON but I got away with that because my boss is in a meeting. So, I guess it is worth spending a tenner on at fopp for LA alone... *if you don't know who jake shillingford is, be thankful. Those of you who do, have you noticed that they're using "12 reasons why" on the Prem on Monday? I'm waiting for Matt Smith to start the programme with "ONE, shearer turns the night to day, TWO, angel's set up by tugay" etc... Anyway, on with the motley: KEITH said: All we need now is for George Dickie, Rodd and Northy to come back. Keith, you are *so* behind the times, George has his own haircare product company which sponsor top reality programme (well mrs carsmile likes it anyway) "the salon": http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/S/thesalon/index.html He is (and I quote) "a new religion for hair" apparently. MMMM Blimey, now Liz Kershaw is playing Gepetto by (quick check on google)Belly. I thought it was Salad for a minute... Amy's going to bangladesh and everything, I think this RoX0rs v hard. I'd suggest all of you in bangladesh drop her a line and meet up as she is super. And REEFACE and LYNRRD and THA DUKE and JIFFYPOPPER and ALLSORTSOFOTHERPPL (and YOU, I haven't forgotten YOU, obv.) have posted and isn't it nice :) Also johnfm said "whell of john" and I nearly fell off my chair, I'd forgotten all about the literally HOURS of fun we had playing that (before going to lick road clean wi' our tongues AND we were happy etcetc) ;) SGS offered to swap her wife (you'd get more putting him on ebay) and said: music in the ad for tonight's episode of "Wife Swap" is none other than the instrumental bit and whistling of TBWTAS. I am now tempted to watch. Does TV sampling pay anything worthwhile? I hope it throws some bling the band's way. As I understand it (from when the same piece was first used on teachers) the free to air channels in the UK can use what the heck they like and only have to pay the same as if they were playing it on the radio (ie next to nowt). Also I first saw the WS ad in the middle of teachers, which was highly confusing as I thought I hadn't been paying enough attention and teachers had in fact finished already... Also IDLES is WRONG and should have a FATWA declared on her in the name of aunt sadie IMMEDIATELY (possibly). (liz kershaw is now playing SHEILA TAKE A BOW and I want to dance, but that's a no-no also) OK I have now done no work for about 45 mins and I suppose I should go for a fag or something... Dates for the dairy: 11 October, ie tigerwanking is also BIG JIM'S BIRTHDAY 8 October, ie freakytrigger (http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/pictures/ftnite4.gif) is also TIM!H!O!P!KINS BIRTHDAY Ah, yes, before I forget, the GIG QUANDRY. As has been proved by science, belle and sebastian are RUBBISH in london, but this is obviously easier than going to brightong on a Monday night, also what if they are rub one night in london and great the other two WHAT IF YOU PICK THE WRONG ONE!!! Can someone else decide for me please? xoxo CarsmileSteve +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From R.Playforth at xxx.uk Wed Oct 1 15:47:54 2003 From: R.Playforth at xxx.uk (Rachel Playforth) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:47:54 +0100 Subject: Sinister: out of practice Message-ID: <24356012.1065023274@slir2301.central.susx.ac.uk> > > I wait ages to post to Sinister and then 3 come along at > once. This'll > probably be it for the year from me... > > WIFE SWAP > Was amazing television, and featured not only TBWTAS but > large chunks of > the rest of the B&S back catalogue. Truly they are the soundtrack to > dysfunctional families. > > GHD > Latterday deity though he may well be, don't be fooled by the oh so > innocent haircare empire. According to immortal consumer > watchdog, er, > Watchdog, his ceramic hair straighteners are potential > deathtraps! That is, > they fuse and smoke a bit if you're not careful. I knew he'd have his > revenge one day. > > BRIGHTONG > Look, everyone knows that Monday nights were MADE for having > a jolly down > to Brighton. I can't be hauling my ass up to London all the > time you know. > And it's the perfect way to avoid the risk of a potential > WRONG decision > re. London venues. AND it's near bloody CHRISTMAS which > demands kerazy > seaside jaunts and shopping. Tut, hardly rocket science is it kids? > > See you there! > > Archel xxx > > ******* Rachel Playforth Resources Assistant Sussex Language Institute University of Sussex Falmer, Brighton BN1 9QN +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From adrian.evans at xxx.uk Wed Oct 1 17:21:04 2003 From: adrian.evans at xxx.uk (Adrian Evans) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:21:04 +0100 Subject: Sinister: b+s documentary and new website Message-ID: <01C38840.6510F340.adrian.evans@blueyonder.co.uk> Robin Stout wrote: >I reckon Idleberry just wants Dear Catastrophe Waitress to be Tigermilk 5 I have to say that there does seem to be a twee siege mentality going on around here. I personally think DICKWARTS is fantastic turned up full blast in the Vauxhall Nova with the windows down sort of stuff. For that and that alone the new offering presents a change in direction for the better. The louder the better - can't wait for the first Iron Maiden cover version. Can any of the northern gits offer me some advice as to where to take a three year old in Glasgow or the near surrounding area?We're stopping over a couple of nights on the way back from a pilgrimage to Balamory and don't want to be stuck with going shopping...far too expensive. Adrian +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From duke at xxx.uk Wed Oct 1 19:31:55 2003 From: duke at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:31:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: They spend hours on the subject line and it's always stupid In-Reply-To: <20030930220928.80418.qmail@web41112.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: My head is fried from a too long day in school doing far too many things so apologies if this post makes even less sense than old posts of yore... Erm, first of all a big hurrah! for Katrina for the posters that are even as I write brightening up my classroom wall. Not that anyone can see them at the moment except maybe the caretaker making his evening rounds to make sure all the pesky students really have gone home and none are camped out in front of the rooms eager for an early start in the morning. Ahem. Yes. The poster for the album is cool, but I think more of the kids ought to have asked me what it's all about. So far no-one has said 'what is a belle and sebastian?' and nodded sideways at the wall with a confused look on their face, and that's a bit of a shame. Maybe they all know what one is and realise that therefore I am a sad old git. Perhaps. Or maybe they really do have no taste. They still wear Blink 182 hoodies round these parts you know. Sad, but desperately true. That was the first thing. Second thing is that Keith Watson clearly has as little taste as ever and that the past five years has taught him nothing... Thinking that Tracey Thorn's 'a distant shore' is shite is akin to saying the world is still flat. Which it clearly isn't. I don¹t think. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe a scientist can help us out here. Oh, and keith, go buy the Marine Girls albums and the solo Ben Watt from the same era. You'll love 'em. No, really, you will... And the eight quid's in the post. No, really, it is... Thirdly thing would be that, ah, I wish that it really were 'torquay oh' and not 'tokyo' in 'cuckoo'... Like how I wish it was 'down in oakhampton' and not 'down in old compton' in 'arab strap'. Oh well. More South West of England references needed in songs that arent by the Wurzles or by ropey tin whistle wielding hippy twats with beards and / or tie-dyed dressed. And rainbow coloured guitar straps... (shivers at the thought) And I love that there is that chessy 'rhyming' thing going on there. It's funny. I think I said it before, but it's certainly worth repeating: I think this album sounds like the band are having a lot of fun, and that's something we ought not to underestimate the importance of in Pop. Or maybe it's just me. I mean, not that all records need to be gung ho jolly jaunts, but you know... I was having a discussion on the way home from school today about art, and I was saying how in general a lot of artists in a variety of media make work which is about 'dark' or melancholic themes, and that it's a lot easier to do that than to capture the idea of fun (this is why most of my own stuff is kind of world weary - I'm just too lazy to try anything different or more challenging). When people do 'happy' it tends as often as not to be clichéd and shit and shallow... Personally I think B&S have made an upbeat album that sounds magnificent, and carries the feeling of joy whilst being underpinned with some challenging ideas and lyrics. I just think it's a genius record; their best yet, and by a fair margin. Which is something I never thought I'd say. I mean, I really had given up the ghost, was all ready to slate this record... But I can't. As Sethe would say it is L.O.V.E. Love lovely Lovvvveleeeeeeeee. Or something. I'm sure there were other things, like a fourthly and fifthly and such like, but I'm aware I've wittered long enough and really ought to bugger off now. Besides which I have a film to finish for tomorrow... Argh! Oh, and I think that B&S ought to come and play a show in my school assembly hall. They could play 'we rule the school' and 'lord anthony' and it would be a gas. Peace The Duke www.tangents.co.uk the home of unpopular culture PO box 102 . Exeter . ex4 6yz . UK +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dirtyvicar at xxx.net Thu Oct 2 00:06:40 2003 From: dirtyvicar at xxx.net (Dirty Vicar) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 00:06:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: die Kaiserschlacht Message-ID: Here's something that's been bothering me. The new Belle & Sebastian album is called "Dear Catastrophe Waitress". Three words, shortenable to the initials DCW. So why are people inventing an endless succession of >10 letter "acronyms" for it? As an old person I feel that this was maybe funny for TBWTAS, but it has outlived its usefulness. With my rubbish internet connection and distaste for copyright theft I've not managed to download the new record yet. So I can't review it. I can think of reasons why it will be the record with which B&S go rub - lots of old recycled songs that never made it onto earlier records, big name producer likely to smother the B&S sound, Isobel no longer being in the band, songs sounding like The Police, etc. But I imagine I'll buy it anyway, and on past form I'll probably like it. I have certainly enjoyed the last run of records from the great band of our times, with "Storytelling" being a particular favourite round the Vicarage when I'm in a contemplative mood. I reckon I'll buy the album in that shop in Glasgow when I'm over. do they still give away stuff to people who buy indie wu-tang product? you can never have too many t-shirts. I'm going to be in Glasgow for the Aislers Set concert. I'm travelling alone to a city where I don't really know anyone to see a band I'm only quite fond of. So I expect an evening of being that weird guy in the corner on his own will be in order. Plus ca change, hein? I don't think I'll go to the UK to see B&S this year. If they want me to see them play they will have to come to me. but I am reminded of one thing from a while back - remember how the B&S manager person laid into some poor American who was all sad because B&S weren't coming to her town? He said that the band had played there before and were now more interested in playing in places they hadn't been to before, like Reykjavik. Since then the band have basically ignored Reykjavik and played a succession of gigs in towns they've already played in. If I lived in Iceland I would be very annoyed. I'm not sure if I've posted since the Pinefox visited Dublin. Pretty much everything he said was accurate, except for certain matters. In other musical developments, I went to see popular band Camera Obscura in Dublin recently (at a gig promoted by sometime Sinister subbers). I found them very enjoyable, although it seems entirely reasonable that they will spend the rest of their lives fielding B&S comparisons, given that you can sing 'My Wandering Days Are Over' on top of one of their songs and some other tune over another. But they are still a toptastic band and I wuv them to death. I bought their earlier album at the gig and am looking forward to buying the new one at some stage. I'd better go to bed now, as I have a lot of vicaring tomorrow. but in the meantime, a big shout to Psi and the Northern Ireland posse. RoXoR. bless, DV +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hodottir at xxx.com Thu Oct 2 00:34:06 2003 From: hodottir at xxx.com (The Hodottir) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 00:34:06 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Excuse me darlin', can we have the bill please? Message-ID: Hello there Fear ye not, this is unlikely to become another email about the rubbishness of girls compared to boys - oh lordy, I'm still smarting from the backlash of that one: mostly came the "Tchuchhhuhuh! Speak for yourself, SISTER!" retorts I'd expected. Sorry ladies. T'was a bad point well made, I thought. In think. As it happens, I'm not emailing as one of the old-school listees. Despite being thoroughly Sinister since the Pot Noodle Days, I've never really been one of the gang. I did come to a couple of London picnics, mind. I even hooked up another couple of Sinisters (now very happily and sinfully living in Bristol - where everyone who's too nice to live in London goes). Yup. But as a glamourous 50s film star might have said, "I've been to paradise, but I ain't never been to 'Tigermilking'". Not yet, that is. For some reason, perhaps to be explained (I'm not sure how strong my evidence is), the new album has sparked a strange sense of panic and fear in me. Folks, I think this might be the end of an era. The end of an era when Belle & Sebastian was a comfort to life's misfits. When it was pant-wettingly rare and exciting to hear a B&S song on the radio. My Dear Catastrophe Sinisters, I think we're about to be invaded. ***Dramatic pause in email, not really for purposes of drama, but to enjoy 'Ex-con' by Smog on Xfm*** Drama over, in fact Xfm (For international listees - Xfm is London's main indie radio station), was the straw that broke this paranoid camel's back. I was in the bath, happily spongeing away to Linkin Park (or whatever) when I first heard 'Step into my office..' and nearly choked on the soap. Exhibit A: if Xfm are playing B&S, something is afoot. Then, the following week, cheeky aped-faced comic DJ Jimmy Carr claims they're his 'favourite band'. THEN the band are featured with an article in the station's magazine, closely followed by a 90 minute special play-out of the new album. As you can imagine, I've gone into complete neurosis by this point. "GERROFF, THEY'RE MIIIIIIINE!", I screeched quite silently in my own head, followed by some frantic hoovering (it was Sunday). Is anyone else feeling this? I stayed up and listened to the album play-out cum [sic] interview, and to be honest I was underwhelmed, but as has been said, it takes time to love any B&S album, so I'm none too worried. I mean, I *hated* TWATTYBUS when it came out (these days I just hate the GRATUITOUS use of it's tracks on TV - Teachers is fine, great even, but in Wife Swap it was purely vulgar - imagine the spoken end of 'Boy with the Arab Strap' played TWICE IN SUCCESSION to illustrate two different 'family moments'. Euyuch! No, I'm sure I'll grow to love the album as though it were my own, but I genuinely think our blessed days of fan-dom are over. From now on, it'll be pub conversations like [whine] "But I liked them yeeeears ago!" - sob. I can't bear it. But I guess as the Wonderboy Murdoch [allegedly] said in aforementioned magazine, every music-maker reaches a point where they want to be the one who's influencing the kids. It's fair enough I suppose, although why he can't just go on influencing the cant-give-it-up grown-ups I'll never know. I only hope the kids know what they're getting into. Like when I was a kid who didn't appreciate sweetcorn, I hope someone pulls them up and reminds them that kids all over the world are being starved of decent, inspiring tunes. 'Don't know they're born. And so, talking of over-boiled vegetables, I'm brought to The Astoria - London's stickiest venue. What ARE the band thinking?? But of *course* I'm going. The friday, naturally, for t'is date night. Did CarsmileSteve claim B&S play their worst gigs in London? I beg to differ - doesn't the date 29.06.01 mean ANYTHING to you? RAH rocked. Not that I'm biased.. :oD By way of caution, me, Joe and Flo are gonna hit the Bath Pavilion - clearly the most refined choice, says I. And I has says enough. Seriously though, if it all goes public, let's protest. I'll bring a water pistol, you bring the bath bombs. Miss Ho xxx _________________________________________________________________ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hodottir at xxx.com Thu Oct 2 00:35:07 2003 From: hodottir at xxx.com (The Hodottir) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 00:35:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Excuse me darlin', can we have the bill please? Message-ID: Hello there Fear ye not, this is unlikely to become another email about the rubbishness of girls compared to boys - oh lordy, I'm still smarting from the backlash of that one: mostly came the "Tchuchhhuhuh! Speak for yourself, SISTER!" retorts I'd expected. Sorry ladies. T'was a bad point well made, I thought. In think. As it happens, I'm not emailing as one of the old-school listees. Despite being thoroughly Sinister since the Pot Noodle Days, I've never really been one of the gang. I did come to a couple of London picnics, mind. I even hooked up another couple of Sinisters (now very happily and sinfully living in Bristol - where everyone who's too nice to live in London goes). Yup. But as a glamourous 50s film star might have said, "I've been to paradise, but I ain't never been to 'Tigermilking'". Not yet, that is. For some reason, perhaps to be explained (I'm not sure how strong my evidence is), the new album has sparked a strange sense of panic and fear in me. Folks, I think this might be the end of an era. The end of an era when Belle & Sebastian was a comfort to life's misfits. When it was pant-wettingly rare and exciting to hear a B&S song on the radio. My Dear Catastrophe Sinisters, I think we're about to be invaded. ***Dramatic pause in email, not really for purposes of drama, but to enjoy 'Ex-con' by Smog on Xfm*** Drama over, in fact Xfm (For international listees - Xfm is London's main indie radio station), was the straw that broke this paranoid camel's back. I was in the bath, happily spongeing away to Linkin Park (or whatever) when I first heard 'Step into my office..' and nearly choked on the soap. Exhibit A: if Xfm are playing B&S, something is afoot. Then, the following week, cheeky aped-faced comic DJ Jimmy Carr claims they're his 'favourite band'. THEN the band are featured with an article in the station's magazine, closely followed by a 90 minute special play-out of the new album. As you can imagine, I've gone into complete neurosis by this point. "GERROFF, THEY'RE MIIIIIIINE!", I screeched quite silently in my own head, followed by some frantic hoovering (it was Sunday). Is anyone else feeling this? I stayed up and listened to the album play-out cum [sic] interview, and to be honest I was underwhelmed, but as has been said, it takes time to love any B&S album, so I'm none too worried. I mean, I *hated* TWATTYBUS when it came out (these days I just hate the GRATUITOUS use of it's tracks on TV - Teachers is fine, great even, but in Wife Swap it was purely vulgar - imagine the spoken end of 'Boy with the Arab Strap' played TWICE IN SUCCESSION to illustrate two different 'family moments'. Euyuch! No, I'm sure I'll grow to love the album as though it were my own, but I genuinely think our blessed days of fan-dom are over. From now on, it'll be pub conversations like [whine] "But I liked them yeeeears ago!" - sob. I can't bear it. But I guess as the Wonderboy Murdoch [allegedly] said in aforementioned magazine, every music-maker reaches a point where they want to be the one who's influencing the kids. It's fair enough I suppose, although why he can't just go on influencing the cant-give-it-up grown-ups I'll never know. I only hope the kids know what they're getting into. Like when I was a kid who didn't appreciate sweetcorn, I hope someone pulls them up and reminds them that kids all over the world are being starved of decent, inspiring tunes. 'Don't know they're born. And so, talking of over-boiled vegetables, I'm brought to The Astoria - London's stickiest venue. What ARE the band thinking?? But of *course* I'm going. The friday, naturally, for t'is date night. Did CarsmileSteve claim B&S play their worst gigs in London? I beg to differ - doesn't the date 29.06.01 mean ANYTHING to you? RAH rocked. Not that I'm biased.. :oD By way of caution, me, Joe and Flo are gonna hit the Bath Pavilion - clearly the most refined choice, says I. And I has says enough. Seriously though, if it all goes public, let's protest. I'll bring a water pistol, you bring the bath bombs. Miss Ho xxx _________________________________________________________________ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bulkdavid at xxx.com Thu Oct 2 05:15:35 2003 From: bulkdavid at xxx.com (David Hewitt) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:45:35 +0930 Subject: Sinister: "language lessons" - inspired words, from a man who knows how to ski Message-ID: G'day Sinister. HIC! I've got the hiccups. (Editor's note: I attempted to punctuate this email with hiccupping noises, but it was extremely annoying and not at all amusing, so I took them out. Just one more way in which the Internet is better than real life. Right, readers?) WHITE SPACE ...makes posts more readable. Because we get the sun down here while most of you lot are sleeping, or out dancing or something, I normally read your emails in a big batch, when I've just sat down at my desk of a morning, and I'm still a bit bleary-eyed. Help us out, yeah? DON'T GO! Oh, and while I'm bleating - no more of this "it's not you, it's me ... I'm leaving" nonsense. If we didn't like you, we don't care that you're leaving, and if we did like you, we end up saying "please stay!" and it gets all messy and difficult. Just take a step back and lurk for a bit (nobody'll know), and then come back when something catches your interest again. It'll seem like a nice surprise. They all seem to come back eventually anyway. If you don't, you probably weren't ever really here. DCW We've got Diet Coke With Lemon here now, and also Diet Coke With Vanilla. They're both pretty tasty. They're "DCWL" and "DCWV" for short. So "DCW" is like me standing in front of the fridge in the Deli, making my mind up: "DCW...?" Oh, but that's the extent of my review for the moment. I still haven't heard so much as a note of the thing. BROWN PAPER PACKAGES TIED UP WITH STRING I love ordering things online, even though it doesn't always quite pan out the way it should. Having said that, I want to get this new Camera Obscura album and single that the kids are so keen on these days. If they're half as good as the previous one, I'm sold. Can anyone recommend somewhere decent to order such things from, that will ship to Australia? Thanks very much. KEN CHU Is he alright? HAPPY BIRTHDAY! To Laura and Rachel, perhaps somewhat belatedly, but with heartfelt sentiment. You're both divine, and I'm wholeheartedly behind another year of the pair of you. There must be 4 or 5 Sinister birthdays most days of the year, I suppose, given how many of us there are. Happy birthday to the rest of you as well, then. Have a drink for me. "SGS SHOULD POST MORE" ...said the inimitable Mark Casarotto. And so say I. He also took the piss out of Archel a little bit, but I doubt she minded. I actually had to think for a really long time when I read Archel's post, to figure out whether it really struck a chord with me, or whether I violently disagreed with it. It's definitely one of the two, and nowhere in between, but I'm still not quite sure which. How strange. I don't think that music defines me any more, either, I suppose. The sort of song that would encapsulate me these days would be pretty rubbish, I reckon, and you sure as heck couldn't dance to it. As much as there's a place for 'frothy' pop, though, there's still a way in which I still need 'serious' music to remind me of things, even if I now know them deep down. I guess it's just not quite such an urgent need as when I was finding out these things for the first time. Dammit, I was all set on being opinionated, and I've ended up somewhere in the middle, after all. Anyway, there still is music that I let sit inside with me, looking out at everything else. And I still seek it out like a drug. HEY, THAT'S MY MISSUS! Dirty Vicar said: "I don't think I'll go to the UK to see B&S this year. If they want me to see them play they will have to come to me. but I am reminded of one thing from a while back - remember how the B&S manager person laid into some poor American who was all sad because B&S weren't coming to her town? He said that the band had played there before and were now more interested in playing in places they hadn't been to before, like Reykjavik. Since then the band have basically ignored Reykjavik and played a succession of gigs in towns they've already played in. If I lived in Iceland I would be very annoyed. " And you know what... he's dead right. Fuck you, Belle and Sebastian. And play in Australia while you're at it, you sorry bunch of bastards. NEW SLANG Just when I think I'm getting the hang of this whole 'X0r' thing, 'izzle' comes down the pipes. Crap. HAPPY VS. SAD The Duke of Harringay said: "I was having a discussion on the way home from school today about art, and I was saying how in general a lot of artists in a variety of media make work which is about 'dark' or melancholic themes, and that it's a lot easier to do that than to capture the idea of fun (this is why most of my own stuff is kind of world weary - I'm just too lazy to try anything different or more challenging). When people do 'happy' it tends as often as not to be clich�d and shit and shallow... " Which I thought was a very good point, well made. I reckon there's perhaps a bit more to it, though. I think the ideal state in which to be creative is when you're fairly miserable, but not quite so miserable as to not be able to be bothered. I mean, when you're happy, you're hardly analysing your inner state, and pondering how and why you've become that way, are you? You're out doing fun stuff, not incisively documenting it. When you sit down to write, compose or paint (or whatever) about something happy and fun, it's already a contrived sort of act, isn't it? You're making yourself do it, because you think it will be worthwhile, perhaps in terms of what you produce, or perhaps in terms of what you stand to earn by doing so. So it's bound to be more frivolous or more clich�. When you're dealing with darker material, you sort of need to get it out, to externalise it. Sort of like how you might choose to have a wank, but you really NEED to do a poo. I've spoiled it now, haven't I? Ah, well. CHEQUE PLEASE I guess that'll do me for today. Take care all. Bulk love, -Vanilla Flavoured David. _________________________________________________________________ Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pykachu100 at xxx.com Thu Oct 2 09:10:42 2003 From: pykachu100 at xxx.com (Kenneth P Y Chu) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:10:42 +0000 Subject: Sinister: If you find yourself caught in Brighton and Hove (or Hong Kong) Message-ID: Hi sinister, Greetings from Hong Kong. Yes, a long distance sinister love affair had proved too much to bear and I ended up moving all the way to Hong Kong to live with my beloved. Haha Not really. Got you going though! I actually am in Hong Kong at the moment though, no kidding. Family business and all that. Hong Kong is the land of rude English names for places e.g. a new housing estate being advertised that is called "NOBLAND". Actually that's the only rude one I saw so far. Apart from "Mong Kok". Dear Catastrophe Waitress ================= I don't think I'm going to make myself popular or unpopular here, and say that I think DICKWANK is going to be fantastic I still believe that the following tracks on the album are going to be SUPERB... this is how I GUESS these tracks are going to be like - it's not as if I've HEARD IT ALREADY and all - I mean, it's not been released yet. If She Wants Me - I'm guessing that if you liked "Big John Shaft" you'll like this one, and listening to it is going to make you feel content with the world. Wrapped up in Books - I think I'm gonna check check checkcheckcheck check check check out its melody. Lord Anthony - I think the pint glass noises that was the best bit of the bootleg recording will be gone, but the song is still going to be good. If you find yourself caught in love - I am guessing that this is going to be one of my favourite songs ever. Of course I already KNOW this one coz it was on the peel session the other time. I'm a cuckoo - This I think is going to be a THIN LIZZY tribute song, and sound a bit like The Boys Are Back In Town, which is good in my books. Piazza, New York Catcher - I think this song is going to be a nice little song with just Stuart singing over an acoustic guitar like a folk singer. And I'm going to have no clue about the lyrics because I'll know nothing about baseball and I'm guessing this song has some baseball references in it. THIN LIZZY-OH ========= I think, rather than being just for a sake of a rhyme, this is in fact a reference to Thin Lizzy's version of "Whiskey in the Jar" in which, the lyrics go... Whack for my daddy-oh whack for my daddy-oh There's whiskey in the jar-ro* ... with I'm a cuckoo being (I am guessing to be) a Thin Lizzy tribute and all. It could have been a METALLICA tribute, of course, as METALLICA have also done a version of that song with the same daddy-oh jar-ro trick. But then I'm a cuckoo will have sounded like METALLICA, and thus shit. And the lyrics would probably go I'd rather be in Cai-ro Listening to Metalli-ca-ro but it isn't. Perhaps the reference was a little too subtle this time for some. If how I guess the album is going to be is correct, it's almost going to be like B&S have matured and won't be spending the whole time singing about having being odd in school and having no friends or having wet dreams anymore, but sometimes sing about having loved and hurt and a being better person for it, or choking on cornflakes. And I am going to like it. TIGERMILKING ========= I was going to use... "FIND OUT IF KEN CHU IS SINGLE" ...as the advert for Tigermilking, which would have been a killer! However since I doubt I can make it this time (I would have JUST got back from Hong Kong and all) I might cause a mass chaos when people turn up and my availability is still unknown. Dafyd, who did a better job at advertisting Tigermilking anyway (btw Tigermilking REALLY IS highly recommended despite the probable lack of my DJing skills this time) also said... >>the night is the same day England play Turkey at football and that kicks >>off at 6 so if anyone wants to meet us at the Trotwood for post >>tigermilking footie action then arrive at 6!<< I guess he meant PRE-tigermilking footie action, however, the idea of POST-TIGERMILKING FOOTIE actually sounds great. We can bring a football and play outside the Betsey at 2 in the morning - we can be like Ronaldo in the Nike adverts! Ooo ooo ooo ahh ooo ahh eee ahhh oooo ... mas que nada. etc.(which incidentally sounds like the latin instrumental version of I don't want to play football) Football ===== Speaking of football the cable TV in Hong Kong is fantastic - it's like the show premiership football live and stuff, and if you missed it you can watch the repeats. In fact, that's pretty much all they show when there's no live football on, I've watched Charlton v Liverpool 3 times now, what a hat-trick. AND, ESPN (channel 7 on cable) have the PUNNIEST sports news program in the world. They even made RUDE puns the other day, paulo di canio slapped Lisbie on the bum, and the presenter later wondered if Paulo di canio's skills is going to RUB OFF to the other players, and the other presenter said .. no BUTTS about it. BOOM BOOM PTISH TWANG BONG. Oh yes and they show bowling. Yours Ooh get me i'm so controversal-ly. Ken x * I don't really know if that's EXACTLY how the lyrics went - I never understood it - what's so whack about getting free whiskey? Did they actually mean to say "DOPE for my daddy-oh"? "SICK for my daddy-oh"? - It took me ages too to work out all these sk8r talk... Or did they mean they're getting his dad some drugs to go with the booze? Or if they meant if his dad had drunk all that whiskey he'd be whacked? Somebody enlighten me please. P.S.: I hope the B&S DVD is going to work on the playstation 2, with interactive games and all. Mmm maybe B&S SMACKDOWN - a bit like that Wu-Tang Clan kung fu game. Killah Belle vs Murdoch Man, Ol' Dirty Bob. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of 56k? Get a FREE BT Broadband connection http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stoutrobin at xxx.com Thu Oct 2 09:34:12 2003 From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:34:12 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Fill Your Pants, Child, You Wank Like A Professional Message-ID: Hullo again, It has been brought to my attention that the link to Richard's dirty video didn't work. Have a try with this instead: http://www.lesinrocks.com/DetailArticle.cfm?iditem=162182 . While watching this video I felt like worlds were colliding and all of our Sinister smut-sodden parodies over the years were finally being played out before my very eyes. A very strange feeling indeed. Or maybe it was all the darling honeys in the video that gave me that strange feeling. Hmm. I wonder if the video was directed by William G Stewart.. Um, that was all I popped in to say, but seeing as I'm at the bar I may as well buy a drink, take off my hat, and bore you all a bit longer. The Vicar said: << The new Belle & Sebastian album is called "Dear Catastrophe Waitress". Three words, shortenable to the initials DCW. So why are people inventing an endless succession of >10 letter "acronyms" for it? As an old person I feel that this was maybe funny for TBWTAS, but it has outlived its usefulness. >> Yeah, well I guess if it was about usefulness we could all just call it "Waitress". But I think I like making up stupid acronyms for the same reasons I like Ken Chu: because it's absurd, pointless and rude. Yeah, rude words are funny, basically. I was having another look at the dearcatastrophewaitress.com website last night, and there's all sorts of things to discover. The band bio is like worlds colliding again, with some great lines about Dennis Waterman, and about how Stuart David had a lot of spunk but a face like a bag of spanners. Erm, what else? Just read Ken's post and would like to say I agree about If She Wants Me being a great song. I think more people should write about how ace it is. The instrumentation - all those pianos and organs - is fantastic. Just came back from the shop, where I bought a scone, and read a review of the new album in Q. The reviewer gave it 3 stars, which is fair enough, but said something about how the lyrics follow their usual habit of being too "fey, shallow and smug". I understand the first accusation, but the second and third are a bit strange. Perhaps if he wants a band that isn't shallow or smug he should start listening to Robbie Williams, or the Strokes, say. I think we should start a campaign for Belle and Sebastian to play at the Duke's school. It would be brilliant, though I'd be worried that the band might get beaten up. bye Robin _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ianwatsonuk at xxx.com Thu Oct 2 11:18:53 2003 From: ianwatsonuk at xxx.com (Ian Watson) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 10:18:53 +0000 Subject: Sinister: the moon in june stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Forgive me, friends, it's going to be one of those posts. Robin said: I > do agree that Underachievers Please Try Harder is probably the better album > - it's one of the best albums I've heard for ages. To Underachievers Please Try Harder, I'd like to add Holding Hands, Feeding Ducks by The Brunettes, straight outta, um, New Zealand I think. Hang on, let me check. Actually no mention of their origin on the album sleeve, but there's a thank you to Neil Finn, so that must mean they're Kiwis, right? Perhaps not. The sleeve *does* say that the p in a circle and the c in a circle were 2002, but I've only just heard about them so I'm counting it as a 2003 release. Just try and stop me. It's one of those cute, funny, dreamy, happysad, occasionally twee, more often playful and knowing, amazing, clever, and inspiring records that makes you want to start badgering people and making tapes and passing them on, you know *just like back in the day*. Or 1997, as it's otherwise known. Robin also said: > It's funny, I've heard a few people dissing the whole "I'd rather be in > Tokyo, I'd rather listen to Thin Lizzy-oh" line, because it doesn't rhyme > properly. I find this very odd. Stuart's lyrics have never really rhymed > properly. In Lord Anthony he rhymes "toff" with "maths". I don't think > rhyming has ever had anything to do with why i like Stuart's lyrics. Anyone > can use a rhyming dictionary if they want to. I expect he doesn't want to. I agree. Two points. One: mere rhyming doesn't denote talent. It certainly has nothing to do with a great song. The best songs are always just off-rhyme, things that shouldn't rhyme but do, because of the phrasing, the delivery, the emotion, or all of the above. Two: the quoted couplet is actually very clever - you can almost see the smirk on his face as he's singing it. You have to be a good lyricist to pull off that kind of crazy shit, girlfriend. It's all very well to moan "oh, it's just sticking an -o on the end" but no-one else thought of it did they? The best ideas are always as plain as the face on your nose. The fact that, as Senor Chu pointed out at our recent coffee morning, it's actually a nod to Thin Lizzy's cover of "Whiskey In The Jar", which goes "I'll have a whiskey in the jar-o" makes it even better. Do you see? How many levels? It's working on? That's right: two. It's also funny. Which is good enough for me. Three levels then. Well, two and a half. That's about it. This album by The Brunettes is still great, by the way. Bless them. x +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From shazrazzamatazz at xxx.com Thu Oct 2 11:33:22 2003 From: shazrazzamatazz at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Sharon=20Leach?=) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:33:22 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: I'd rather be in Tokyo Joe's In-Reply-To: <200310020811.JAA24340@missprint.org> Message-ID: <20031002103322.73447.qmail@web41214.mail.yahoo.com> Dirty Vicar said: <> Don't worry love, they're over it. In my recent sojourn to Reykjavik, they were quite happily playing TBWTAS in Damon Albarn's bar. And at no point did they cast any black magic over the band to prove their dismay. In fact, they looked to be enjoying the album, dancing around while pouring my extortionate Schnapps. So I think they forgive B&S, unless there's a Northern European tour that I don't know about... Mr Chu said: <> Well said. The band have matured, the sound has matured and the lyrics have matured. And they sound a whole world better for it. Asleep on a Sunbeam just seems to say everything about my life at the moment, the title track is practically Morricone and yay for Thin Lizzy tributes. I've been listening to the album online all week, and I can't stop. I go home at night and sing the songs to myself, eager to get to work the next day so I can listen to the album again. I've always liked B&S. Now I finally love them. This is the start of a long and beautiful relationship together :D sharon xxx *all hail Trevor Horn* ===== ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pinefox1 at xxx.com Thu Oct 2 12:58:23 2003 From: pinefox1 at xxx.com (P F) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 04:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Yes, I Am Reading, Writing & Arithmetic Message-ID: <20031002115823.90434.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com> The Vicar said that most of what I had said about going to Dublin was true. That was true. Unfortunately I cannot write a follow-up for Ms Wesley unless I start making things up. Perhaps the Vicar could start us off on this process. Elsewhere I have enjoyed (where) the Vicar's ex cathedra pronouncements on the results of debates on late B&S. They were correct also. Chu went to Hong Kong to hear his song. That is going the extra mile for a piece. Stout Robin, of whose regular sinister appearances I in principle approve, averred that rude words are, or were, inherently funny. (I don't suppose he used the word 'inherently'. Perhaps I am traducing him; save that I am not.) I think that he is wrong. He does not even trouble to register the REAL LIFE DEBATE we once had on this question. I think we were in Greenwich Park (at the time). I think that finding rude words funny as a matter of course is lame. But so, I suppose, are some horses, which is also a matter of course(s). Like others I have been struck by the names which have popped up on sinister lately. One of them was the Duke of Haranguey (stet). He said something about SW UK place names being appropriate ingredients for pop songs, eg. by B&S. I (q.v.) agree. As I have already told him [private communication], and will now weary him by saying again, my equivalent of this occurs on ALADDIN SANE, where 'Paris or maybe Hell' ought to be, and was initially thought by me to be, 'Paris or maybe Hull'. I imagine that you can see the superiority of my version, and the way that this confirms the Duke's fiefdom of wisdom. I have not heard the new B&S record. But I did in fact hear some tracks at the house of Jerry the Nipper. My judgement on, or of, them is not reliable. For one thing, the Nipper's computer transforms the way that records sound. It makes David Bowie sound like David Jones - of the Monkees! It makes Elton John sound like Reg Presley - *his real name*. It makes Ken Bruce sound like the comedian Ken Dodd, or possibly the comedian Martin Heidegger, offering you a cheese and onion crisp. Only the one, mind. For another, I am not sure whether what JtN played was the actual content of the forthcoming record, or something else. For another, my listening was distracted and inprecise. For another, I disapprove of listening to music in that fashion, so I am battling to repress whatever it was I Heseltine, I mean, Hurd. To that extent I have not Douglas the new record yet. Is it out? JtN has somewhere said that it sounds like Squeeze. They are a band that it is quite fun to call 'Sqeeze'. I like The Squeeze, as PJ Milner has in the past appellated them, quite a lot. I am not though sure whether the B&S band should attempt to sound like them. A record that is quite good is Roger McGuinn's 'Friend'. I think that its 'lyric' may have been written by Jacques Levy, who also co-wrote 'Hurricane'. Another record that is quite good is 'I'm So Restless', on which I think that Dylan plays harmonica like Dylan in the 70s. I am occasionally doing battle with a rogue copy-editor. Perhaps I should say no more for now about this fell figure who strongly feels that the word 'keynote' should be altered to 'cornerstone', the fetching' to 'winding', and 'Strasse' to 'street'. Dav[id] Jones of the Monkees (stet) has been gearing up to release a new record about dangerous driving, called 'New Killer Car'. I wonder if anyone, possibly called "Peter", would like to report back on how it sounds. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From paulo_stinsoni at xxx.com Thu Oct 2 13:12:03 2003 From: paulo_stinsoni at xxx.com (Paulo Stinsoni) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 12:12:03 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Climpy* Message-ID: Hello, I wanted to say something, just something, but I can't think of anything. I haven't sinisterated for such a while (been mailin' people off list a bit tho') and I just felt you needed to hear my voice, to show I haven't been scared away by the threat of rectally inserted oars. TOPIC I don't have one. Oh sure I could easily glide down the "I can't wait until the album comes out" route, or "I'm going to the gig in London", (oh that cool set in London) but I think this has been covered by so many others. Ah well. Bit pointless really. Still, it's better than working (I'm at work at the moment) OK, here's something I say when lying in bed in the dark, with Theresa Lovely, "Tell me something I don't know". It's great, you find out all sorts of stuff. I'll start you off - As well as being a musical junky, I play Dungeons and Dragons. Check that - a 35 year old playing D&D. Every week too! Now your turn. Go on tell us all (or I'll look a fool, again) Well, I'm off. See you all Paulo *PS - Climpy - I thought I'd made this word up, but it's a town in Scotland. I've been getting my son, Spike, to use it on his friends at school, to try to get it in the dictionary, or at least in popular slang. Go on, call someone a Climpy. Basically it means "a fool". _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From antipopconsortium at xxx.com Thu Oct 2 14:23:07 2003 From: antipopconsortium at xxx.com (Kieran Devaney) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:23:07 +0000 Subject: Sinister: how i fell in love with belle and sebastian Message-ID: I only ever saw a double decker bus fall over once. It was the number eleven, over in Bourneville, not five minutes from the chocolate factory. You might remember the story, it was all over the newspapers at the time, with accusations of blame falling on all and sundry � was it the drivers negligence that caused his death, and the death of his passengers? Was it an unclearly marked road? Poor visibility? No firm conclusion was reached, but I mention it so that if you have some recollection of the news items of the time, you may be able to piece together a visual more vivid and accurate than the one my words could ever conjure. I had just gotten off at the previous stop. It was still morning. There was drizzle in the air, a hangover from the previous night�s rain, the sky was a great grey duvet and the road gleamed wet. The bus pulled away from my stop, turned a little too sharply into a corner, causing the wheels to mount the pavement, which in turn caused a nearby man out walking his dog to jump back in alarm. The bus then clipped an unfortunately positioned lamppost, teetered uncomfortably, and for one silent second lay in that awful no man�s land of precariousness, between balance and imbalance, between life and death in fact. It could have been any number of factors which caused it to fall rather than simply and happily righting itself � if the road hadn�t been so wet, if there hadn�t been so many passengers sitting on the wrong side of the bus, if the wind even had been slightly less strong that morning. All of us there, and no doubt those unfortunates still on the bus willed it back onto four wheels, held our breath, perhaps even swayed slightly to the left, but the bus, with a mind of its own and those tricky laws of physics to obey described a slow, painful arabesque, and fell flat into a puddle in the road. The contents of the puddle flew back upwards, as though mocking the bus with negative motion, and landed, soaking the man and his dog. One day in very fortnight I would skip school. You might not think if you spoke to me that I�d be the sort to do that, or that I�d be very good at it if I was. But I did, and I was. Usually, I would pick the day to skip a long while in advance, so I could plan exactly what to do and then ensure I�d be ok to do it. Most truants know to stay away from town centres, but most truants overestimate the vigilance of our police force. If you�re not wearing a school uniform then they�ll leave you alone � much easier to dream up a training day or a particularly youthful looking college student than to have to fill in all the relevant paperwork and make all the phone calls and ask all the questions. Anything for a quiet life. My plan for the day in question had been to go into town. I would get changed in the McDonald�s toilets during the morning rush, and then sit on a bench somewhere, eat my sandwiches and watch the people until it was time to go home. I still love to do that. Or at least that had been the plan, a long tried and tested one with a history of success at that, until a couple of days beforehand a boy at school called Simon told me all about the number eleven bus. He said that the number eleven has the longest route of any bus service in the entire country. I�m not sure if this is really true, and Simon was often engaging in tedious practical jokes, but this seemed such a ridiculous thing to bother lying about that I believed him then, and I suppose I still believe him now. As soon as he told me, I knew I had to ride the number eleven all the way round, the whole circle, and that the next opportunity to do this would be Thursday, the day I planned to skip. Normally I wasn�t nearly so impetuous � I would make a schedule and stick to it, indeed, the careful planning and execution became almost ceremonial to me, and the longer I kept playing truant the more detailed and elaborate those schedules became. Not that I ever did anything particularly daring or likely to get me in trouble � so much did I fear getting caught, but even this meagre risk was more than enough for me. The thought of it fills me with a tangible sense of dread even now. The night before a truant day I would often lie awake torturing myself with the potential questions that a tawdry parade of police, teachers and parents would rain down upon me � �Where did you go?� �Why there?� �What�s wrong with school?� I could answer none of them satisfactorily, not even to myself. I guess that illicit thrill, however much of a clich�, played a big part in why I did it, why I kept doing it, for the continuing forgery of sick notes, odd excuses meant that getting found out became increasingly likely over the months and years, and the later I actually was discovered, the harsher the consequences. But, like those who leap off mountains, or travel to the poles, or even just watch horror films, it was the proximity to danger, to fear, that made me appreciate both danger and fear, and the lack of it in my everyday existence, all the more. And how wonderful those stolen days were, spent in odd places, places I wouldn�t ever dream of going at the weekend or during the holidays � any bleak concrete shopping centre, or ugly cul-de-sac became an adventure, fraught with perils, but containing infinite hidden riches and excitement. I even began to think that places withheld their charm to me during my real free time, and that only in those few midday, midweek hours would they show themselves in full bloom. And the looks people would give me, the �shouldn�t you be in school?� scorn, the envious glance, the knowing wink, I loved them all. It all filled me with a kind of succulent ambivalence which squirmed and undulated all through me on those days, and made me savour them in a way I couldn�t savour any other day, everything seemed clearer, as though only once a fortnight I put glasses on and saw the world properly after thirteen days of murky half-blindness. For this particular Thursday, however, I didn�t make much of a plan, reasoning in part that simply sitting on a bus and riding round didn�t warrant it, but also I had an odd nervous feeling about prospect, a niggling sense of premonition. Forgive me, please, if you feel I�m foreshadowing events, or that I, with hindsight, am endowing myself with the power of premonition, but I distinctly felt a slight discomfort at my hastily decided preparations. At the time I dismissed it as mere nerves at having changed my mind so soon before the allotted day, and perhaps that�s all it was, but to calm myself on Wednesday night I sketched a rough map of the route, and listed all the places I could think of that it passed through � from Yardley on to Stetchford, past the swimming baths, past where my best friend from primary school who I don�t see anymore still, to my knowledge, lives, through the awkward junction where it crosses the fourteen route, up the hill to the Fox and Goose and on to Erdington�s rows of charity shops and the grimness of a local shopping centre dying out to supermarkets and Merry Hill, and yet further, to Aston, where I was supposed to be at school, Perry Bar, Handsworth and so on, all the way round and back to where I started. But even this list didn�t calm me. Thursday morning arrived in unspectacular fashion, but I awoke feeling much more comfortable and excited about the forthcoming day. So elated was I, in fact, that I could barely conceal my glee from my mother, who looked questioningly at me. I don�t think she suspected a thing though, and happily I bounded out of the house and into the damp morning. I turned off my usual route as soon as I was out of sight of the house and walked the half-mile to the eleven stop. Unusually, I didn�t have too long to wait before a bus turned up, it was long enough ago for it to have been one of those grey and blue ones, the old design. I got on and showed my pass. My favourite seat was even free, which was fortunate for the time of day � I like to sit downstairs, on the back seat by the window, preferably on the same side as the doors, but that bit isn�t too important. Today I got the perfect seat � nothing, I thought could ruin today, and I settled back. The driver took things leisurely up Stoney Lane, that pleased me, nothing worse than bus drivers rushing, and I gazed happily at the familiar territory, the health centre, the swimming baths, my old friend�s house, all well known to me. On we carried, up past what would soon become the ghastly new Retail Park, but was then just derelict warehouses and yet further onto the Fox and Goose, with its giant bingo hall and pragmatic post-war architecture, not a dribble of concrete wasted, not on the covered walkways of the shopping complex, not on the car park, nowhere. Everywhere bustled with the new morning, people rushing now, a bit late to school or work perhaps, and nowhere yet filled with those gangs of youths who would ask all kinds of difficult questions about your haircut. It was nice to start like this, on well known territory, and I relished the thought of the less familiar places yet to come, perhaps a few eleven stops were still completely unknown to me, and then later on the places would grow more and familiar as I came gloriously full circle. One stop after the Fox and Goose a boy and a girl got on and came and sat down at the back, by the other window, just a little down from me. I noticed them right away, so different were they from anyone else on the bus, or anyone else that you ever saw on the whole eleven route even. They looked a few years my senior, but probably still of school age, and, if you were in the right company, you might say they dressed twee. Of course that word, and indeed the whole notion was unfamiliar to me at the time. I saw a boy with longish straight dark hair, parted on one side, a sort of bowl cut, wearing glasses with thick black frames, a thick brown duffle coat and black flared cords. I couldn�t see what was under the coat. I saw a girl with two blonde pigtails, a flowery blouse underneath her coat, the collar of which I could just make out, and a dark skirt which looked like it was made of tweed or something like that, black tights and red mary-janes. They were both thin and small, but they held hands and sat and whispered and giggled to each other on the back seat as though oblivious to all else. I was fascinated. I don�t think I�d ever seen people dressed like that before, nor a couple so quietly content. It�s difficult to put into perspective now of course, but I was instantly attracted. To say I fancied either of them, or both of them would be a misinterpretation though, I was too young and na�ve for such desires to be properly manifest then, rather their presence aroused in me a kind of new curiosity. Their look, their comportment, even from just the fleeting glimpse I got, suggested a kind of quiet defiance, an embrace, a clinging to even, of certain values, certain ideas of youth or of love or of the world, and an outright rejection of others � and perhaps they were wrong to reject the values they did, if they did (far be it for me to put words in the mouths of those I�ll never know), but on the number eleven, headed towards Erdington high street, they spoke another world to me. We carried on riding like that for some time. I stole occasional glance over at them, or attempted to eavesdrop on their conversation, but to no avail. After a while, somewhere around Handsworth, the girl pulled a walkman out of her bag, and she and the boy took one earphone each, and from then on they sat silently listening to the girl�s tape and holding hands. Some three quarters of an hour later, they turned the tape over and resumed listening. By now we were a good way along the route, just getting into Bourneville � I had more or less left the couple to themselves, so caught up were they in the music and each other that I couldn�t get much else out of them than what I already had. But I was grateful for that at least. I gazed absent-mindedly out at the pretty houses and trees and factories, enjoying myself, thinking that this wasn�t taking quite as long as I�d anticipated, and that maybe I�d have time to go into town for a bit afterwards as well. Just then, as we approached another stop, I noticed, standing there in the small queue, and even doing that pointless shuffle forward that people about to get on buses so often do, Simon, a friend of my mothers. I cursed inwardly. I couldn�t let him spot me here, he certainly wasn�t the sort I could confide in, quite the opposite in fact, and even if he had been, this was my secret, and I wasn�t about to go confessing it, even to the most sympathetic ear. Cursing him again, I stood up, glancing back for the last time at the couple on the bus. Apart from me they had been on the bus the longest of anyone, and there were certainly quicker ways of getting to these parts than the eleven, I wondered if they had the same plan as me. This thought, though I would never find out an answer to its implied question, comforted me as I turned away and shielded my face, disembarking just as Simon climbed aboard. I�m pretty sure he didn�t see me � he�d be the sort to say something if he had, but I�ll never know that for sure either. I decided at the bus stop that all was not lost; I would simply get on the next bus that came along and finish the route. It would be almost as good. And this is what happened. The bus took a corner too fast, it hit a lamppost, which caused it to overbalance, and it fell over. The noise made by the impact was horrendous, for weeks afterwards everything else seemed quiet in comparison. People stopped. Cars stopped. I, powered more by some neglected reflex than real intention, ran straight across the road to where the bus was lying. A bus on its side is still taller than most people. The whole of the driver�s side had been completely crushed. The metal twisted and distressed, the paint cracked, the windows broken, the tyres popped. Everyone on the bus had died instantly. I peered into the hole where the back window had been. Everything was slow and still and silent. Inside, bodies wee crushed and askew, stricken, some pierced by shards of glass or pieces of metal, others near invisible under piles of others, unrecognisable under seats and bars, limbs protruded at sickening angles, the whole frame had collapsed in on itself. It was hardly recognisable as the same bus I�d been riding not a minute beforehand. I looked over for the boy and girl. They lay against each other, a trickle of blood ran from the corner of the boy�s mouth onto the girl�s forehead and then down the side of her mangled face, mingling with her own blood, a whole pool of it now oozed out from under the bus. And the last newspaper article I remember about the incident was a complaint from some local resident about how some of the bloodstains on the road were yet to be removed. Their walkman lay between them, strangely unharmed by the wreckage. I reached inside and managed to pull it out, there was some blood on the casing. I removed the tape, and put the walkman back inside. By now more people were arriving, so I pocketed the tape and left quickly, still prominent in my mind was the idea that I could be caught playing truant. But I knew too that this would be the last time I ever could, and the last time I could ever take the number eleven too. I walked the whole way home, shaken. That evening I pulled the tape from my pocket. On one side it said �Tigermilk� and on the other, �Sinister�, which rather dates the piece. Without bothering to rewind it I put the �Tigermilk� side on. All at once the words filled my room � �Why don�t you lead me to a living end�� And that�s how I fell in love with Belle and Sebastian. _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From competitionsmile at xxx.com Thu Oct 2 18:50:02 2003 From: competitionsmile at xxx.com (Christine Irene) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Bhi machree Ohin trasna na farraige Message-ID: <20031002175002.93750.qmail@web40601.mail.yahoo.com> so i have a tentative trip to the emerald isle in the works. yay. i found faily irresistable airfare via aer lingus so...we'll see what happens. things to do (or not do) in preparation: 1) read Ulysses.....for real this time 2) map out strategic plan for viewing all things Wildean and Joycean in the city 3) figure out how to get to finglas/ballymun part of city 4) find out how to get to st. kevin's christian brothers school (if still around) and mt. temple 5) sell vital organs to afford a night in the penthouse of the clarence hotel 6) learn how to say more than "I left my heart across the sea" and "my name is sean" in gaelic 7) try not to pester dirty vicar the way that i always do about all things irish 8) do something really important so that i, too, can be made a freeman of dublin 9) focus on NOT stalking Gavin Friday (this one will be tre difficult) 10) make sure aer lingus is not going on strike the day of my arrival or departure ~stine __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From duke at xxx.uk Thu Oct 2 21:46:27 2003 From: duke at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2003 21:46:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I wanna be Bruce cos he was born to run, and Brian cos he was Fun Fun Fun In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7D901DB3.4DF%duke@tangents.co.uk> Ian Watson was talking about the brunettes album, and he was spot on cos it's a great record. And they are indeed from New Zealand. When I listened to it I started wittering on about how it was like Michael Chabon's book 'the amazing adventures of kavalier and clay', and the bit where Dr Wertham's Seduction of the Innocents is published and the national outcry against comics resulted in mass comic book pyres across the USA. It's all to do with the embracing of fantasy, or at least imagination... I then went on to compare them to Phantom Lady's hair. Which made sense at the time. Uh, the review is here http://www.tangents.co.uk/tangents/main/2002/dec/phantom.html if anyone is interested. Oh and Ian, did you get a Brunettes colouring book with yours? Sorry if that sounds like snobbery or elitism or something, but actually it leads me to my next topic which is, ah, the whole notion of elitism and 'ownership'... I've argued long and hard in the past (archives... archives...) about how some of the most essential ingredients of the whole Pop experience are notions of elitism. I just think it's inescapable, if only for the fact that the Pop moment is a personal one, and you can't get much more elitist than that. There's also the sense of elitism based on not wanting to engage with the mainstream, for whatever reason; perhaps because the thought of being with too many other people who all 'share' a similar aesthetic terrifies (or repulses) you, perhaps because you just don¹t like people that much, period. Whatever. And ownership of art, well, in a mediated culture that's the interesting part; how one takes ownership of the art by making a commitment to it, by engaging with it, making it a part of your own world. By doing so you change the 'meaning' of the art irrevocably (even if it's only a slight change) - in simple terms the song is about 'x' to the songwriter or band, but it's about 'y' when I listen to it. It becomes personal. This was always something I loved about B&S in the first instance; they seemed to me to understand that and to play with the whole mediated ownership thing. Looking back now it seems less important, and the whole point seems to have been clouded. And that's fine because we all change. So yeah, my point was going to be something along the lines of 'does it really matter to you if B&S 'make it' with this record?' Does it change your ownership of the moments? Does it make your moments any less personal or magical just because loads of other people may all start frothing at the mouth and before you know it the air is filled with mutterings about johnny come latelys and bandwagons... Well, does it? I used to hate being accused of being a snob because I stopped listening to a band when they became 'popular'. Such was other's interpretations of my musical tastes: I only liked stuff if it was obscure and 'difficult'... It was partly true of course, and playing the part of the truculent old git was always appealing up to a point (and still is), but nevertheless it irked me and it still does because it was and is so untrue. Usually I stop liking someone because their records start to bore me or I just got excited by something else and couldn¹t afford the time, energy or cash outlay to keep up to date with so and so's latest record which all the kids were raving about or blah blah blah. Nothing to do with 'popularity' per se. So personally I say 'yay!' to Belle and Sebastian on the radio, playing their songs for children and adults who meander along in an eternal state of prolonged adolescence... I say 'hurrah!' for radio DJs and journalists proclaiming B&S their favourite band and making a song and dance about the new record because hey, you know what? It deserves a song and dance being made about it because it's ACE. And if it goes to number one and all the kids start wearing tasteful retro 'dog on wheels' hoodies then I'll grin and whoop along (quietly so no one can actually hear me of course) with the best of them. Because it wont change my memories, it wont change my moments. Belle and Sebastian will still belong to ME. And finally, thanks to Robin Stout for his suggestion we all start picketing B&S to come play at my school. I think we should all email Banchory with an email subject 'play at the Duke's school! do it to/for the kids!'. Go on, you know you want to. And again, finally (honestly), apologies if this mail was even more unhinged than usual. Just got back from the Open Evening... Bleugh. My head is mush. Keep those dreams burning forever. The Duke www.tangents.co.uk the home of unpopular culture PO box 102 . Exeter . ex4 6yz . 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From innerlemming at xxx.com Thu Oct 2 22:23:46 2003 From: innerlemming at xxx.com (laurel lemming) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Chicago release party/pubnic? picnic? Message-ID: <20031002212346.86245.qmail@web41009.mail.yahoo.com> anyone in Chicagoland going to the release Monday night at Schubas? anyone interested in a Chicago meetup/picnic/pubnic before/after the show on 30 October? lem __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From idleberry at xxx.com Thu Oct 2 22:51:59 2003 From: idleberry at xxx.com (idleberry) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: how very embarrassing. Message-ID: <20031002215159.97394.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> Robin said� I'd rather be in Tokyo, I'd rather listen to Thin Lizzy-oh Ah. I thought he said Torquay-oh. Now I know.. and there was me getting all irritated becauseI thought the Boy Murdoch was being sloppy and not pronouncing his r�s properly. I feel rather embarrassed now. Still, it's a shit album, mind. * * * * * Everyone has been discussing birthdays, lately. Could I point out a few birthdays that ought to be mentioned? I notice that despite my attempts to market it like a second Christmas Day, people still forget. Mine. 11th October. Also, Nal (Realouch) is getting older too, before me, although she remains younger than me. She doesn�t post here these days, instead she has gone into lurkerdom, regularly reading the posts, and bitching about you all behind your backs on #sinister. ;) I need to get her a pressie, her birthday is this Sunday, I believe. I think I better make it a good pressie for that last comment. Librans are indeed, are darlings. Apparently, we�re meant to be beautiful, popular, modest, elegant, graceful, and diplomatic. I think that describes me perfectly anyway, dunno about the rest of you. * * * * * * * * Kieran told us how he fell in love with B&S. My story is a long one, as it works its way over three months or so. But here is a brief summary: March 1999: I meet my boyfriend, we get it on*, I go back to Norway where I was studying. April 1999: He sends me a tape with all sorts of music on it. I quite like one track, by some band called Belle And Sebastian. It�s called Sleep the Clock Around. I think they sound like the Wannadies. May 1999: I return from Norway (I only lasted two weeks after I went back after Easter, such was the force of love pulling me home) and spend the next two months listening to Mark telling me all about Belle and Sebastian, and Bowlie, and how great it is. He lends me their entire back catalogue, including the Gentle Waves and Looper. I�m fed up of hearing about them so I shove them into my cupboard for the next month or so. June 1999: I tell Mark I don�t really like B&S, having listened to a few tracks on the albums he leant me. I prefer Idlewild instead. It gets me in a good bitchin� mood for my days working at Scottish Widows call centre. Early July 1999: I�m starting to get bored of all this B&S talk. Like, whatever. Mid July 1999: T In The Park. I take my CD player; Mark plays nothing but B&S to me at the campsite. Late July 1999: A few days after T In The Park. I am in Edinburgh. I go into Fopp. I see someone out of Idlewild. They are playing that bloody Tigermilk record. Out of sheer �if you can�t beat em, let the fuckers just try and brainwash you� I buy Tigermilk and TWATTYBUS. August 1999: I am a convert. Take me to your leader. Incidentally, the asterisk in my last post, if you recall, was cos I thought that the interview Richard Lander linked to, was very similar to one that was published in the Big Issue, and conducted by Stacey Dahling. I might be wrong. Loving you and leaving you (but not in a quitting sinister way) Idles X *No doubt that phrase will be repeated to me in quotation marks, in the very near future. ===== http://groups.yahoo.com/group/corduroysmoke/ starting playground gossip and passing notes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From matthew at xxx.net Fri Oct 3 01:08:19 2003 From: matthew at xxx.net (Matthew H) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 20:08:19 -0400 Subject: Sinister: I wanna be Bruce cos he was born to run, and Brian cos he was Fun Fun Fun In-Reply-To: <7D901DB3.4DF%duke@tangents.co.uk> Message-ID: On Friday, Oct 2, 1970, at 16:46 America/New_York, duke of harringay wrote: > Usually I stop liking someone because their records start to bore me > or I just got excited by something else and couldn’t afford the time, > energy or cash outlay to keep up to date with so and so's latest > record... The Duke touches on but does not explicitly state this other tenet of popularity: once bands become 'popular' they really lose it. Is it too many cooks in the kitchen? Expectations doomed to failure? Whatever, it's true. So surprise, surprise, I like the new album. Perhaps its because Stuart doesn't trade off the songwriting credits so readily as on 'Fold Your Hands...' I hope the album reaches number one; I hope all the kids pay attention this time. Its hard to begrudge anyone who is putting energy and attention into the same thing as you are. (And all that time previously spent claiming who was first seems kind of stupid and pointless now). Hello. Matthew +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From terryunderwear at xxx.com Fri Oct 3 07:54:43 2003 From: terryunderwear at xxx.com (terry underwear) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 13:54:43 +0700 Subject: Sinister: feel the rage of Belle and Sebastian Message-ID: hey ho, first things first, for all my fellow little vegemites (though i should point out that i think vegemite is the spread of the devil, promite is where it's at for me. i digress) the film clip for "Step Into My Office, Baby" will be shown TONIGHT on Rage at around 12:30am. Isn't that exciting? And secondly, according to the sometimes crazy lycos mail the duke of harringay sent his email (entitled "I wanna be Bruce cos he was born to run, and Brian cos he was FunFun Fun") way back in 1970! Look: Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1970 21:46:27 +0100 From: duke of harringay [add to address book] [protect or block sender] Subject: Sinister: To: sinister Is there some kind of crazy Back to the Future III antics going on here? Only three more sleeps! excitedly yours, terry --- here's what i think: http://naivetysucceeds.blogspot.com caitlin and terry's sinister recipe tree archives: http://www.joannou.net/topofthestairs/sinifood/ ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kmhyde at xxx.edu Sat Oct 4 05:18:12 2003 From: kmhyde at xxx.edu (Kevin Hyde) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 00:18:12 -0400 Subject: Sinister: the octoberists. D-R rock rings anew. Message-ID: <000401c38a2e$86755130$8076ef80@development.wm.edu> Hi Sinisterines and -ettes, DISASTER RELIEF First off, the hurricane which struck the land mass known as North America about two weeks ago, specifically its chin (the Southeast! Where I live!), forced me to flee with my trusty Buick between my legs. A well-deserved break of 12 days followed, during which I luckily was able to download "Step into my office, baby" from Insound.com before they took it down (did anyone else notice this? Is anyone else mystified by the mp3's disappearance?). The song is pretty amazing, in my opinion. Having not heard any more of the album, I really don't have anything to add ballast to my raving, or temper my love of it, but yeah: it's grand. The beginning felt like such a departure, such a welcome departure, that I was nearly entranced by the handy Windows Media Player 'ambient bubble' visualization (which always struck me as being particularly tailored for stoners). I'm going to buy the album the day it comes out, like the shameless fanboy that I am. DATE-RAPE ROCK GETS ITS 'WHITE ALBUM' That's right, John Mayer. The man him-fucking-self. Released a new album in the beginning of September I think, by the name of "Heavier Things". Album cover features just a picture of him and his guitar. Suggesting a 'back to basics' approach perhaps? Indeed. With his new follower (Jason Mraz, an addition to the post-Mayer canon of D-R rock) doing quite well for himself (and by 'quite' I mean: he's on VH1. Aww.), John obviously wanted to reclaim his position as king of the prognathic-jawed. Let me just talk for a second about his new video. He is playing guitar and singing on a street. People start to walk over to the wall of amplifiers which sits at a cul-de-sac, ignoring poor John in the process. Only a very perceptive and tightly-clothed young lady (this video was evidently filmed in a very cold studio as well. Ahem.), whose perspicacity may even be a direct result of her breast size, stops and smiles coyly at John, realizing that he is the source of this INSANELY GORGEOUS MELODY. Basically, the moral lesson presented by this awesome piece of film is that playing music makes you a pariah at first, but what the fuck does that matter when you consider the enlightened groupies? I can almost hear the fluorescent tubes of thought humming to life above a thousand frat-boy (is there a U.K. equivalent to this stereotype?) heads- "Damn, you mean. Wait. Is this video saying what I think it is? Yes. Good God. That girl is so hot. I can get girls that hot, with the help of this song?.", etc. The sales of "Heavier Things" will be fueled by mothers who have discriminating tastes in dishwashing liquid, and guys who use impregnation as relationship therapy. The only mitigating factor in all of this comes from the August issue of The Believer, which contains an interview with Questlove, the drummer of The Roots. He says that he played with Mayer a few times in the studio, and that JM is writhing within the constraints of his major label deal, and longs to make an album that is (as Questlove says) on par with D'Angelo's "Voodoo", which he apparently has the talent to do. Pretty cool. I hope he does it. THE DECEMBERISTS Are pretty much the equal of B&S, in storytelling song power. Castaways and Cutouts is also my vote for the (reissue) make-out record of this year, just beating out Neil Young's "Hawks and Doves". I can't get enough of a band that has lines like "but the angles and the corners/even though my work is unparalleled/they never seem to meet". Hot damn! The boy can write a song. I would recommend this album to anyone who likes fun. I HATE FUN I was recently shamed into dancing the Charleston in front of 30 of my own employees (long story). Of all the retro dances that you might choose to do, I'd suggest refraining from the Charleston. It's not a particularly dignified dance, and I'd say that, all things being equal, I would rather have gone with the Watusi. Not my choice though. off to consult my dancing atlas, Kevin P.S. Happy après-belated birthday to Laura Llew- you're the only person I've ever known to use the word defenestration outside of my 10th grade European history class. Awesome. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bulkdavid at xxx.com Sat Oct 4 08:01:43 2003 From: bulkdavid at xxx.com (David Hewitt) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 16:31:43 +0930 Subject: Sinister: friday night record shopping Message-ID: G'day Sinister. Well, many's the time I've had occasion to moan to the list about not being able to get such and such a thing in this little backwater of the world. But for once, we got something first. For some reason, unexpectedly, Spunk! released Dear Catastrophe Waitress in Australia yesterday. Right on. I was walking home from dinner with the missus and a few mates last night (cold rolls, hot and sour soup, szechuan fish and bok choi and all that - very tasty indeed) on Brunswick St, Fitzroy, and walking past Polyester Records on the way back to my place, something caught my eye, and I darted into the shop. Sure enough, sitting on a shelf next to the window was the new Belle & Sebastian CD. I even got a free poster with it. Bonus. Here's some things you might like to know. The cover image is the one that they're showing at Amazon. It's nice enough. It looks like a Belle & Sebastian record, only orange. There's a similar picture on the back, and a back and white picture of the waitress inside. She's apparently someone called "Shantha Roberts". I don't know who she is or who she plays for, though. I guess there's no reason why I should. Inside the sleeve, along with the lyrics and thankyous and all that, is a five page story entitled 'The Way Of The Egg'. In it, Stuart covers such topics as Chicken Licken, Del Amitri, purchasing a new camera, posting items of clothing to himself, Felt and The Lord of the Rings. It was a moderately interesting read, but didn't seem particularly polished or relevant (other than that it dealt a little bit with the photo shoot for the album's cover). In fact, I'm almost certain it's just a diary entry (it's written in that unselfconscious sort of style), that for some reason (perhaps just the timing of it?) got put in the sleeve rather than on the website. It seemed an odd choice, but I guess it gives those whose interest in the band extends as far as buying albums, but no further, a bit of a sense of the man and what he's about. It seemed to give away a bit more than the stories they used to favour for the sleeves, though, and was a bit less satisfying for it, in my book. Anyway, that's not important at all. It gave me something to read as I took the tram into work today. Working on a Saturday? That's dedication for you. Still, I'm also going to sit here and listen to this album a few times, and give you some impressions of it. I'll put them below, track by track. Note that the track order on the Australian (Spunk!) version of the CD is the order I've listed them in below. CDDB has an American and a UK version in its database, neither of which match what I bought last night. Amazon has the track listing that I have here, though, which I guess means that it's been changed at some point, so what you get will likely be the same as what I have here. Generally, my first impression of the album was reassuring, I suppose. I embrace the 'new' B&S, and the direction in which they're heading. I loved the last two EPs, and Storytelling had some lovely moments as well. This is a further step in that direction for them, and I'm pretty sure that for most of you, your preconceptions about whether you like where they're going aren't going to be changed by this record. It's a bit of a departure in some places, with some real throwback moments, too, but it seems more than anything like a fairly natural progression. Having heard so much about the radical change in production, I guess I was expecting an even more dramatically different record to the one I got. It's still the same band, but it's not the same old, same old. That's about the best we could have asked for, I reckon. A strange aspect to this album, though, is that many of the songs sound quite familiar, though I can't quite say what, specifically, they remind me of. This could just be my clumsy way of recognising memorable song writing, or it could be that there are references here to the sort of music you hear about the place, but never really paid attention to. Perhaps the sort of thing your parents might have played in the car from time to time. I really don't know. Anyway, here are some impressions. Bear in mind that I have little knowledge of music, generally, and my taste is usually described as 'questionable' at best. My opinions have no authority whatsoever, and will likely not match with yours, or even stay the same from one day to the next. This is very much 'just some guy' speaking here, I'm afraid :) STEP INTO MY OFFICE, BABY A rip-snorting, ball-tearing, stomper of a song. Instantly accessible. The slow build-up that happens after the mid-track quiet bit is particularly nice. It's got a confident sort of swagger about it, with some nice horns and guitar noodling, but still somehow maintains that fragile 'it could all fall apart at any minute' thing that most of this band's best songs have. A better opening track, it'd be hard to imagine. It's unmistakably Belle & Sebastian, alright, but it's just as unmistakably something quite new. It's the classic 'track one' - a statement of intent. DEAR CATASTROPHE WAITRESS This one reminds me a bit of I'm Waking Up To Us, for some reason. Probably just the way Stuart's voice sounds here. Other than that, it's got a really generous, lush instrumentation about it. Seems like a slow-burner, though - it's not really that remarkable on a first listen, unless you're really listening properly. It's a bit quirky and cute though, so it'll probably be a grower. Not a bad song, but it definitely sounds like an 'album track', compared the previous song. Oh, and there are a lot of lyrics for this one that aren't in the liner notes, for some reason. IF SHE WANTS ME This song is the sun on your face. It's driving with the top down, in the country. You couldn't really imagine this song on any of the previous LPs, but you couldn't really imagine another band having come up with it, either. There's a great little keyboard bit, and I'm not sure I've heard Stuart sing higher, either. If this one doesn't make you smile - you're made of stone, and no mate of mine. Definitely an early favourite, and good evidence that there's no need to worry about the quality of the lyrics slipping. More like this, please. PIAZZA, NEW YORK CATCHER Things start a bit 'thinner' here, following the breadth and scope of the preceding tracks. There's more space between the voice and the instruments, somehow. It's very sweet, and has loads of character. This is the one you'd listen to when you get home and you're taking your shoes off. Simple, pure and a bit folksy, maybe, but satisfying. ASLEEP ON A SUNBEAM Now this one's sweet and lilting, and a nice change of pace. Sarah's voice sounds absolutely magnificent. Then Stuart joins in, and the two really knit together. I don't miss Isobel at all. There are some really great, and slightly cheeky, horns on this one as well. Nice touch. This one doesn't really have a hook, somehow, but that's about all it's lacking. I'M A CUCKOO Hang on, what's this? I'm not so sure. I think this one will take more than a couple of listens to really get the hang of. I could almost swear that I've heard this one before, but I'm sure I actually haven't. If you heard this one on the radio without knowing it, you'd likely not pick that this was Belle & Sebastian. It's got a bizarrely 'chiming' sort of guitar sound, that I don't quite know what to make of. I'm pretty sure that this song bears the signs of all sorts of influences with which I'm not familiar. It doesn't quite click with me, but it's not a bad song. Lyrically, it's actually pretty nice. There's just something about the sound of it that is going to require some getting used to. I suspect there'll be some of you who'll really like it - you'll probably have been listening to some of the bands that have influenced Stuart here. They're a bit lost on me, though, I'm afraid. For now, this is probably the lowest moment on what would have been called 'Side A' back in the bad old days. Actually, there's a good bit of silence on the end of this track to divide the album in two, as is also suggested by how the track listing is laid out on the back cover. YOU DON'T SEND ME More horns. I really like the horns on this record a lot. Catchy, toe-tapping sort of a thing, with that slightly cheesy sort of backing vocals that either join in on, or echo, the last bit of a line. It works for them here, though. Just :) This one sounds a little bit disposable to me, but that could change with time. It's charming, and more sixties than seventies, which suits me alright. It should be on the soundtrack to a Peter Sellers movie or something. WRAPPED UP IN BOOKS This one sounds a little like The Aislers Set to me. Aside from the vocals, obviously. It's got that edgy, jangly sort of sound to it, though. More accurately, it probably sounds like some other band that both of them listen to, but I don't. There's a rare (this time around) bit of Stevie here too, which is always a good thing, and a bit of all the voices singing together, a la Jonathan David. Word. LORD ANTHONY Well, you all know this one. There's always that slight unease with a new version of an old song, but I reckon they've done a pretty good job here. It stands out as one of the better songs of the album, I reckon, which might be a slight concern. That's could just be familiarity, though, as these are very early impressions indeed. I don't think the songs are getting any worse, really, but this is the sort of song that made us love the band in the first place, isn't it? I guess it's only natural that it stands out, then. The strings really work well here, I should probably add. Overall, it's 'fuller' sounding than it used to be, but the actual song doesn't get crowded out. They seem to like trickling out these few remaining old songs on new releases lately - a policy that I'm completely in favour of. When do we get a clean version of Rhoda, eh? I think that's the last one that I'm really hanging out for. IF YOU FIND YOURSELF CAUGHT IN LOVE If Belle and Sebastian was an eighties sit-com, this would be the theme song. Not necessarily a stand-out, but pretty good fun. ROY WALKER Just quietly, this song is a bit shit, isn't it? It might grow on me, I suppose - it's certainly not as unspeakably awful as Beyond The Sunrise, or anything, but it's by far the worst thing on this record. STAY LOOSE Well, the record has sort of tapered out, after a really strong start, and threatens to go out with a whimper, rather than a bang. And I'm not yet sure whether it does or not. This one's certainly a bit Bowie, as has been said already, but I reckon it's at least as much Split Enz. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing - just a bit out of character, somehow. It's actually quite a nice song - I think, like I'm A Cuckoo, it'll just take a while to settle in. Also, it fades out. I hate that. ... Alright, phew. I didn't mean to write this much, honest. I'm meant to be catching up on some work today, but I got into a bad mood, and also sort of sidetracked, so that I couldn't concentrate on it properly, so I ended up just prattling on about this record at great length instead. I like that it's so varied, and I appreciate the risks they've taken with it - it'd be churlish of me to complain that it's a bit patchy as a result. I think the approach they've taken beats the pants off either rehashing or trend-following, and I wouldn't want it any other way. They're still obviously channelling it down from the same place they always did, and I'll be listening to it a lot, in any case. I'd really better get a bit of work done now, or I'll be here all night. Bulk love, -Vanilla Flavoured David. _________________________________________________________________ Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mike at xxx.uk Sat Oct 4 08:59:13 2003 From: mike at xxx.uk (Mike Newman) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 08:59:13 +0100 Subject: Sinister: friday night record shopping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1065254353.16838.9.camel@greatnorthern.demon.co.uk> On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 08:01, David Hewitt wrote: > The cover image is the one that they're showing at Amazon. It's nice enough. > It looks like a Belle & Sebastian record, only orange. There's a similar > picture on the back, and a back and white picture of the waitress inside. > She's apparently someone called "Shantha Roberts". I don't know who she is > or who she plays for, though. I guess there's no reason why I should. Since I'm nursing a developing obsession with said miserable-looking waitress, I went a-googling. The only Shantha Roberts I can find appears to play for the Aberdeen City Youth Wind Quintet. Possible I guess. There is a lot of wind on the new record (and I mean that in a nice way, of course). > STAY LOOSE > This one's certainly a bit Bowie, as has been said already, but I reckon > it's at least as much Split Enz. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing - just > a bit out of character, somehow. Not sure - I get 'Joe Jackson' when I hear it, for some inexplicable reason. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hobart at xxx.uk Sat Oct 4 21:46:39 2003 From: hobart at xxx.uk (Zsa Zsa Gabor) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 21:46:39 +0100 Subject: Sinister: blue VOT and silk? no VAY! Message-ID: <014301c38ab8$a0c53480$b9f6193e@default> My Dahlinks, It is so GOOD to speak to you. I have vaited for many, many veeks. I said 'don't you know who I AM?' but zey said yes, and made me vait anyway. I am not USED to such insolence. We are on ze vay to....vere is it, driver? Ah, some dull little place on Park Lane. How I DESPISE zese society functions: 'Have some caviar, Zsa Zsa'; 'Won't you have another glass of champagne, Miss Gabor?'; 'Can't I just have you...for one night, Miss Gabor? I will pay handsomely - I will grovel and beg. I will buy you a country'. Zey are so crashingly DULL I vould rather zit in the back of my little, little limo and listen to my new favourite band. Oh! Yah, Dahlinks, how I LAVV zem! It is so SAD for you poor little people, who have to VAIT to hear zem sing! Just EVERYBODY I know has had a copy for VEEKS! I lavv to sit in my little jacuzzi, viz, elton, and liza and ze cambridge rowing crew, and some of zeir friends, and I lift my martini and I shout to Liza... 'Listen, dahlink, there is NATHING you can do to offend me!' and how ve laaf.. Me, and Liza, and Elton, and ze cambridge rugby tem, as she cries back 'Caarsss You Don't Sshhhend Me!'. Oh, and Elton. He lavvs them too. He vonts to perform a DUET, viz BOTH of zem. Imagine zat! Viz Belle AND Sebastian too! He says if he can get Ryan Adams and zat silly leetle man with ze bleached hair to sing viz him, he can get a leetle band like zis for nathing! And think of how ze kids vill LAVV him again! Oh, it is true. EVERYONE, simply EVERYONE lavvs Belle and Sebastian. Zey are in all ze magazines - zey look so GLAMOROUS. Zis week, ve vill ALL be singing their songs. Next veek, ve might sing someone else's. Ve are very of the moment, me and Liza and Elton. A shame for zose of you who haven't heard ze album. Such a SHAME, for zose fans. Anyvay, I have come here to meet new people. I have heard ze fans of zis band are STRANGE and UNUSUAL, and me and Elton and Liza vould LAVV to meet some FREAKS to play viz! Ah.... IMAGINE! You maast be so HAPPY zat your strange, strange ways have found zeir way onto ze radio. Zat everyone is now liking vot you once thought you liked only! Anyvay, I must go. I vont something expensive to drink for tonight, after meeting viz all zose BORING kings and qveens! And I must start to drink it NOW, to see if it will be right for LATER. It is a hard life, being famous, dahlinks. Until another time, remember: A voman's heart should be like her handbag. Capable of holding many, many zings, and yet, viz strong, strong handles. Lav, dahlinks Zsa Zsa +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stoutrobin at xxx.com Sun Oct 5 20:50:01 2003 From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:50:01 +0000 Subject: Sinister: what noise does a rabbit make, anyway? Message-ID: Hullo Ah, I was supposed to be writing my belle and sebastian review today, but i don't think i'll get the album till tuesday, and seeing as i haven't heard it i can't possibly review it, can i? I think If She Wants Me will be a really good song. I think that Sharon might be spot on with her Morricone comparision for the title track, too. I hadn't really thought of that until she mentioned it. There have been lots of reviews of the album in the press, though. Most of them pretty good, too. Look: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,1055915,00.html The Pinefox traduced me thus: << Stout Robin, of whose regular sinister appearances I in principle approve, averred that rude words are, or were, inherently funny. (I don't suppose he used the word 'inherently'. Perhaps I am traducing him; save that I am not.) I think that he is wrong. He does not even trouble to register the REAL LIFE DEBATE we once had on this question. I think we were in Greenwich Park (at the time). >> I think the conversation was actually about whether certain words are inherently funny, or appropriate, or, indeed, have any intrinsic value at all. I think I argued that TROWEL was a funny word, as was PAMPHLET, and I probably said that BOOB is a good word because it both looks and sounds like what it describes. I might even have made absent-minded grabbing motions in the air when I said this. I dunno, I was probably just being obnoxious anyway. I think the thing with the absurd album acronyms is that it's All A Bit Of Fun. They're rather surreal, really. I mean, what is a twatty bus? What's a fishy clap? Whatever they are, I think someone should call a doctor, and quick! r o b i n x _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From shrimpmagnet at xxx.com Mon Oct 6 00:11:56 2003 From: shrimpmagnet at xxx.com (Kate Keenan) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 23:11:56 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Climpy* Message-ID: Hi All, I've also been lurking - mostly hiding out until I get my act together to send lovely thank-you cards out to those kind, longsufferers who sent me Christmas pressie exchanges. Never fear - their tardiness is proportionate to their eventual fabulousness. You probably oughtn't to send me such lovely stuff - it just overwhelms me (oh go on, then). Anyway, had to stick my nose in at "Climpy". Paulo, I'm in complete support of your campaign and I promise to do my bit but thought you might also like to know that Douglas Adams (terribly missed) defined "Climpy" in his brilliant book "The Meaning of Liff" as: Allowing yourself to be persuaded to do something and pretending to be reluctant. I don't see why it can't have two meanings in the spirit of the "bust", "colon", "prune" and "taipan". More the merrier, really. Lots of love to all (plus some sheepishness to some), Kate >From: "Paulo Stinsoni" >Reply-To: "Paulo Stinsoni" >To: sinister at missprint.org >Subject: Sinister: Climpy* >Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 12:12:03 +0000 > >Hello, > >I wanted to say something, just something, but I can't think of anything. >I haven't sinisterated for such a while (been mailin' people off list a bit >tho') and I just felt you needed to hear my voice, to show I haven't been >scared away by the threat of rectally inserted oars. > >TOPIC > >I don't have one. Oh sure I could easily glide down the "I can't wait >until the album comes out" route, or "I'm going to the gig in London", (oh >that cool set in London) but I think this has been covered by so many >others. > >Ah well. Bit pointless really. Still, it's better than working (I'm at >work at the moment) > >OK, here's something I say when lying in bed in the dark, with Theresa >Lovely, "Tell me something I don't know". It's great, you find out all >sorts of stuff. > >I'll start you off - As well as being a musical junky, I play Dungeons and >Dragons. Check that - a 35 year old playing D&D. Every week too! > >Now your turn. Go on tell us all (or I'll look a fool, again) > >Well, I'm off. > >See you all > >Paulo > >*PS - Climpy - I thought I'd made this word up, but it's a town in >Scotland. I've been getting my son, Spike, to use it on his friends at >school, to try to get it in the dictionary, or at least in popular slang. >Go on, call someone a Climpy. Basically it means "a fool". > >_________________________________________________________________ >It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! >http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister >+-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ >+-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ >+-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ >+-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ >+-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ >+-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ >+-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris_t_opher at xxx.com Mon Oct 6 00:32:06 2003 From: chris_t_opher at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?chris=5Ft=5Fopher?=) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:32:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: probably something about girls Message-ID: <20031005233206.22014.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com> people, "the time will come in this world when everyone will know someone whose favourite band is belle and sebastian. and then no one will be able to listen to a damn thing" - a variation on lyrics from a song i dont know by a band i dont know. it is on a sinister tape tree tape circa 1998 (or so). to whoever is even slightly organised on this list: please start up another tree. the song always brings a smile to my face on the occasions - few and far between - when i actually get to drive. yesterday was one of them. today was another. 'downsize' practically won our scrabble game. 'down' was already there, as was the e. i cant claim all the credit - my playing partner suggested 'size', i just found a snug fit. triple letter score for the z, 45 points total. it is funny how we go through life assuming things and making things up. like scrabble rules. a blank tile... you dont get however many points the letter you choose is worth, you get none. if you place a word that isnt in the dictionary, you lose your turn. no plurals allowed. things i took for granted for years arent actually correct. i used to score close to 500 with my faux-rules. today, 195 was easily enough to win. last night was the new album's playback at the star+garter. i didnt hear a single new b+s song all night. i did hear plenty of people exclaiming "Camera obscura!" at me though. i was wearing the tshirt so maybe i shouldnt be so surprised. that place is like its own little community, my friend said earlier. if it were an actual community, the lack of diversity might be its downfall but its members' friendliness and taste its saving graces. i would explain what the s+g is but whenever i mention it, you always seem to know anyway. like many of you, i am still undecided about the new album. i havent heard it, i dont know if i want to. and yet, the idea of a new b+s album being in the shops when i wake up tomorrow is exciting. with storytelling, i heard plenty of bad things about it and therefore didnt buy it til a good six months after it was out. i was pleasantly surprised (though not overwhelmed). with dcw, i am hearing good reports. it would be more of a letdown now if im expecting something of value and find that... i just dont like it. but maybe itll become my favourite b+s album ever. when i do finally get around to buying it. if you love the old, live version of lord anthony as much as i do, download it quickly. i tried the other day but found dozens of dcw version and not a single bootleg version. someone stepped in and saved me (thank you) but it was looking hairy for a moment or two. maybe, if we all wish hard enough, one day i'll have the same trouble finding rhoda. an american girl was in my house earlier. before leaving, she took a quick glance into my room. she saw my 3..6..9 poster and maybe my sinister poster too. i know because i heard her sigh. cheerio, chris. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pykachu100 at xxx.com Mon Oct 6 09:31:11 2003 From: pykachu100 at xxx.com (Kenneth P Y Chu) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 08:31:11 +0000 Subject: Sinister: baps cuppin' boobs Message-ID: It must have been a while, I almost sent this to sinister at hotmail.com. All I want to say is, I have never seen Robin Stout naked, but he said... >>and I probably said that BOOB is a good word because it both looks and >>sounds like what it describes << The boy must have some funny shaped boobs! I've seen a few pairs of sinister boobs over the years (once even the pinefox's! and Stuart Murdoch's!!!!!!!) and none of them look like the word BOOB. Unless it's a topview of two girls with fairly ok sized boobs standing either side of a girl with GIGANTIC BOOBS lying down (who incidentally has not a head or arms or legs or a torso) in some kind of pornographic movie style arrangement. If robin stout makes a porno film what would it be called? Robin's nobbings? Robin Stout's in-outs? Stout of tit's world? Drobin does Dallas? Who's got the new album already? We've already had some reviews of songs but what's the actual album like? What textured paper does it use? Does the little booklet thing come out easily or is it a struggle to get it out (ahem). Is it the same shade of mucky yellow as the one that is on amazon.com? Was boobs mentioned in the sleeve notes? If you look carefully at the picture at the front can you really see nipples showing through the girl's t-shirt or did they use textured paper so you can cop a feel as you run your finger over the thing? Or is it a scent thing that when you rub the plate of food you get the smell of the food coming out? Or maybe it's just an ordinary CD case. Ken _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From boyincorduroy at xxx.com Mon Oct 6 10:51:22 2003 From: boyincorduroy at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Mark=20Casarotto?=) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:51:22 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Adrian Evans? Christ on a bike! Message-ID: <20031006095122.75399.qmail@web10405.mail.yahoo.com> Can Vanilla Flavid Davoured really never have heard T-Rex? Hewitt Minor, go and lock yourself in a cupboard with "I'm A Cuckoo" on repeate until the spirit of Phil Lynott apparates in front of you and sets fire to your bum. "You Don't Send Me" is next on my list of disappointments. It's got an irritating melody. "Roy Walker" is taking his revenge on me by BEING IN MY BLOODY HEAD ALL THE BLOODY TIME and, like the old steering wheel down the pants, it's driving me nuts. And "Stay Loose" is now reminding me of Dexy's. Fair? You decide. So, Sinister, I was wondering. Which TV game show should I go on? It seems churlish not to make the most of one of the few qualities I have, namely the ability to get fist-pumpingly het up whenever I get a tricky general knowledge question right. I practically moonwalked when I identified the Corrs' "Talk on Cor(r)ners" album sleeve the other day. Even on Mastermind I got 13 (thirteen) of the general knowledge questions right in one round. And I even feel the need to boast about it? So give me your suggestions, especially if you're serious and/or know the producer of any of said quiz shows who'd have me. "Russian Roulette" with the David Blaine it's okay to like, Derren Brown, was on telly last night. It was a good programme! And not all portentous and wanky like some other illusionists I could mention. As for Mr Blaine, he must have some severe problem with flatulence as he looks as chubby as when he went in his little box. Talking of flatulence, that's a potential problem. I find my wind plays up no end when I start digesting my own internal organs. Finally, and most importantly, who here knows how to set up a decent online petition? Because I want Stuart Lee "Mad Dog" Murdoch to motherfuckin' KNOW that tha kidz want to hear a re-worked version of Rhoda more than anything, ever. Work with me on this, yo. Miss Laura Llew, please forgive me. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From adrian.evans at xxx.uk Mon Oct 6 13:17:23 2003 From: adrian.evans at xxx.uk (adrian.evans at xxx.uk) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:17:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Adrian Evans? Christ on a bike! Message-ID: Mark "Sheep Worrier" Casarotto wrote: >go and lock yourself in a cupboard with "I'm A Cuckoo" on repeate until the spirit of Phil Lynott apparates in front of you and sets fire to your bum. Did he have long arms then Mark? I'm guessing he apparated behind you and burn't your bum, but then he wouldn't have apparated cos you wouldn't have seen him and he wasn't actually there, you were just hideously mashed and put your burn in your back pocket whilst reading the credits on the CD inlay card. He also mentioned: >"You Don't Send Me" is next on my list of disappointments. It's got an irritating melody. It's my daughters favourite B&S song behind Legal Man. I'm equally disappointed but have no choice in the matter when the shisters in the car. Talking of three year olds and referencing Mark's subject line - Am I the only one who used to ride their bike like the clappers in the street and then jump off the back and watch in delight as careered into parked cars? I'd be really f***ed off if that happend to my motor. Kids are great - don't have any though. ev. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kmhyde at xxx.edu Mon Oct 6 14:02:27 2003 From: kmhyde at xxx.edu (Kevin Hyde) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:02:27 -0400 Subject: Sinister: another professional review of DCW(dickywuss, dickwank, dicksaw, don'tcatchwildebeests) Message-ID: <000501c38c0a$181644a0$8076ef80@development.wm.edu> Hi everyone, here's the Pitchfork review from today, for those who don't read it all the time: Belle & Sebastian Dear Catastrophe Waitress [Rough Trade; 2003] Rating: 7.5 One of the most beloved, bewitching, misunderstood, and eventually disappointing bands in recent history, Belle & Sebastian did the near-impossible in the Internet era: They seemed to appear out of nowhere. Admittedly, there was also a time (recently, in fact) when I'd wished they'd have mysteriously vanished as well, exorcising the dark spots of their post-1998 output in order to keep their reputation-- or at least Stuart Murdoch's-- in respectable shape. >From their inauspicious beginnings in 1995, the collective emerged from Scotland with wistful, nostalgia-laden indie pop that examined sexual frustration, shiftlessness, loneliness, and isolation. Murdoch's songs-- often punctuated by proper and place names-- painted expressionist, detail-oriented worlds that, when they connected with a listener, often left an indelible, deep impression. What went wrong is typically chalked up to a split in songwriting duties, a practice that made their third and fourth albums, The Boy With the Arab Strap and Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like a Peasant, disjointed, frustrating listens. The band's choice to democratize, allowing a fair number of songs from each band member, negated the singularity of Murdoch's vision, often at the cost of his wit and charm. This all-inclusive measure also resulted in the band drifting toward a pastiche of too-familiar touchstones: 60s baroque pop, Northern Soul/Motown, and folk-rock. On their fifth proper album, Dear Catastrophe Waitress, Belle & Sebastian continue their exploration of pastiche, diversifying their sonic palate to include 70s soft-rock, the irreverent pop of 10cc and Squeeze, and bubblegum. Here, the band's once-misguided ambition is tailored and cut by famed producer (and founder of notorious 1980s art-pop groups The Buggles and The Art of Noise), Trevor Horn, who aids the band in making a complete 180-degree turn from wry, wistful folk-pop to sophisticated, tight, sometimes-complex arrangements with a keen attention to detail. Horn's touch is most effective on "Stay Loose" and "I'm a Cuckoo", two ambitious classic AM pop gems that-- like the best of his past production work-- threaten to spill over into the absurd but instead remain delightfully audacious. Ironically, with a new-found ability to rectify their once at-odds musical interests, Belle & Sebastian have emerged as shiny happy people, becoming that of which they were always falsely accused: t*ee. That label was always more appropriate to the infantilism-obsessed, Sanrio-loving element in their fanbase, while the band itself traded in innuendo, sinisterism, anxiety, and sketches of unfulfilled childhoods. But here, songs such as "Roy Walker", "You Don't Send Me", and the semi-creepy Godspellian "If You Find Yourself Caught in Love" are so bubblegum they could have been staples of any number of early 70s TV families, from the Bradys to the Osmonds to the Partridges. That may sound dreadful but Belle & Sebastian manage to do a lot of things right-- including "You Don't Send Me", whose strength lies in its effective application of aesthetic. "Piazza, New York Catcher" manages to come off like a woozy, drunken version of the Murdoch demo "Rhoda", and it's his most lyrically complex work here, reminiscent of highlights from the past couple of albums such as "Sleep the Clock Around", "The Boy With the Arab Strap", "The Model", and "There's Too Much Love". Certain tracks do flirt with reminders of Belle & Sebastian Mk I-- namely "Lord Anthony", finally given a proper release years after it was written, and "Wrapped Up in Books"-- but these throwbacks are temporary, bones tossed to diehards unable to cope with the band's decision to trade their bedsit infamy for bouncy, pogo-pop. On one hand, Dear Catastrophe Waitress ranks as one of the most delightful surprises of the year, although that's primarily because I'd completely given up on them. On the other hand, it's a very flawed record that at its quirky worst features harmonies so brow-furringly cheery they'd be comfortable amidst a cruise-ship revue or one of Up With People's halftime routines. It's not at all what one might call a "return to form"; rather, it's a large step toward a new, more appealing direction than the band had otherwise been heading. At present, they're almost a new entity entirely, which makes this the Belle & Sebastian album for people who never really liked Belle & Sebastian. I realize that for a large portion of Belle & Sebastian fans-- most of them young and American-- lots of elements of the band's past matter little. The myth, the shambolic performances, the radio sessions, the dubbed cassettes of Tigermilk, the band's refusal to talk to the press, releasing only non-LP tracks as singles, not featuring the band on its sleeves, Murdoch's place in a songwriting lineage that includes early Orange Juice, The Smiths, and Felt-- it's now all ancient history. If that's indicative to you of what's become problematic with the band, you may want to approach this album with caution. If, however, "Legal Man" is among your favorite Belle & Sebastian songs, buy this immediately. ________________________________________________________________________ ____ I especially liked how he stars out part of the word 'twee'. Seems like a decent review though, overall. Kevin +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From paularathoon at xxx.com Mon Oct 6 14:46:52 2003 From: paularathoon at xxx.com (Paul Arathoon) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 14:46:52 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Kids in America Message-ID: PITCHFORK REVIEW Funny one, that Pitchfork review. I don't love legalman (despite the fact I am a legal man and love nothing more than shouting about clauses 1, 2, 3 and 4) but I love the album and I can't see how legalman really relates to it. But hey what do I know? (lots and lots actually). As for bands being disappointing, it's an odd concept. I think six albums in eight years is a good return and it's not like there are any mid 80's Rolling Stones-esque embarrassments in the back catalogue.(I bet you Jagger wishes he wrote Track 3 off FYHC). I've been far more disappointed with other bands over the years. Back to the LP...It's my favourite Belles album since Twattybus (so that would be 1 and a soundtrack but still...)and it's probably better than Twattybus. KIDS IN AMERICA Are the majority of B&S fans Kids in America? Interesting one that. I can't answer it but if Sinister is taken as a sample the majority are UK based, non? SINISTER GOLD (Sky channel 268) It's good to see Sinister Gold in action what with the re-emergence of old posters. Which got me thinking- whatever happened to the sinister village? For those too young to remember it was a virtual village which featured members of Sinister. It was probably crap but at the time I was at University and helped me to waste the day in the library so I have rose tinted memories of it. ON LORD ANTHONY Incidentally, it was possibly around that time, (maybe a little earlier) when the Big Rumour went round that Lord Anthony would be released on a single with Middle Distance Runner and Paper Boat. So by my calculation Paper Boat might see the light of day in 2005. I prefer the live version of Lord A I've got where it was clearly Struan at an open-mic night as you can hear pint glasses being smashed and collected in the foreground. The DWC strings are very lush but you can't beat the smokey, beery ambience the live version contains PARANTHESES Yes, I realise there are far too many in the above post. P _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From raskolnikoff_01 at xxx.com Mon Oct 6 15:48:40 2003 From: raskolnikoff_01 at xxx.com (Rask) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:48:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Kids in America References: Message-ID: I think the pitchforkmedia review hits the nail right on the head, or in the coffin. The thing about old B&S music was that you felt like you were being let in on this little world. A world that was all slightly mysterious and esoteric. The sharp and strange lyrics, the minimal productions, lovely album covers, the little stories in the inlay card. When struan starts writing an online diary about how he is considering taking his laptop out on the bus and how bored he is, its the time when the songs start drifting away from this little secret life they all used to lead and start instead singing about legal men and offices. I think a lot of bands make the mistake of over exposure. Call me old fashioned, but I remember the days when reading a review in the NME(trash) or an interview was the nearest you ever got to your band. And yes they held your interest for longer. As soon as i start reading about what they had for breakfast its starts to seem like they are looking for my attention as opposed to the other way around. What strikes me about DCW is how over produced it is, step into my office, would be so much nicer without all these distracting extra instruments. The song that really stands out for me and I think everyone is Piazza, new york catcher. And it is purely because it is back to struan doing what he does best. Oblique lyrics with simple music and subject matter that no-one would ever considered for a pop song. I also really like stay loose, which I haven't heard many people mention. All in all I think it is a weaker album than FYHCYWLAP, but pitchfork is right, if you came to B&S in the legalman stages it sounds bubbly enough to be just another post modern sneer at a bygone era or two, but that was never B&S at there best. I'll still buy it, and I'll still sigh and wish stevie had left the band instead of Isobelle. richard P.S Belle and Sebastian have always been pretty small in britian whereas the college radio stations in America have made them much bigger stateside. All one has to do is look at the tour dates to see that. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From misguidedtrousers at xxx.uk Mon Oct 6 16:03:46 2003 From: misguidedtrousers at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dean=20Gillon?=) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:03:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: -no subject entered- except this one. Message-ID: <20031006150346.44373.qmail@web86207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Ayup As they say up north. Well today's the days the teddy bears go into town and queue up to exchange their jars of honey for the new album. I think the going rate is about a jar and a half, except in HMV where it's always a bit more expensive. To be fair though, bears would have problems operating a cd player - lack of an opposable thumb and all that. I've got mine anyway - popped into town at lunch for bread and leeks for my soup tonight needs, DCW and series two of The Pheonix for my entertainment needs, and a ham sarnie for my dinner oriented needs. Lovely jubbly. I'm a big fan of Max and Paddy in the Pheonix. Make me piss they do - best bit was in series one when Max programmed his car alarm to say "get back ya bastard - I'll break your legs!" on a loop. Comedy genius. I think someone mentioned it before too, but how good was Derren Brown and his russian roulette "thingy" last night? (Sorry non-UK residents). I thought he'd completely lost it when he was sat staring into space for about 3 minutes. Edge of your seat stuff rarely seen on the box nowadays. He's a clever fucker and no mistake. How does he do it please? Um, nothing much to say - I was just a bit excited cos my nice shiny new CD is sat next to me and I thought of you dear Sinister. Capital S too if you noticed. I've not heard any of the songs at all I don't think - my internet connection is pitiful and I can never be arsed downloading music. I'll leave you with a rubbish joke. Q. What's a shitsu? A. A zoo with no animals. Oh dear. See ya later fornicators. Dean ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samwaltonyeah at xxx.com Mon Oct 6 16:17:29 2003 From: samwaltonyeah at xxx.com (Sam Walton) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:17:29 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Two-letter words Message-ID: Hello Sinister. Well, I *have* heard DCW a couple of times, and I reckon it's pretty good. Maybe their best? Maybe, for it's sheer audacity. I enjoy a bold step (See Kid A, or Lambchop's Nixon etc) even if it's not as strong in content as previous forays. Certainly, it's not their best as far as tunes go, nor as far as lyrics go either, in my opinion, although I reckon "Step...", "If...", "Piazza..." and "I'm..." are among my favourite B&S choons. I don't really have much to add to the cornucopia of opinion surrounding the record. Simply, I concur completely with Archel (http://www.missprint.org/sinister/mhonarc/200310/msg00000.html) about the band not holding the same position in my life anymore, and also with The Duke (http://www.missprint.org/sinister/mhonarc/200310/msg00015.html) about DCW being so good because it's such F!U!N to listen to. And now, some more threading... Chris mentioned Scrabble. I've been getting highly addicted to it at the moment, leading to me learning all my two-letter words and the like. My personal triumph of recent games was "quashing" going through a triple word and a double letter somewhere, too, which earnt me about a gazillion points. He also spoke about tape trees, but I'll come to that later. Ken then said: >Or is it a scent thing that when you rub the plate of food you get the >smell of the food coming out? ...which reminded me of my copy of Jollification, by The Lightning Seeds. I had a limited edition release with strawberry-scented packaging, and I was most surprised the other day when I dug it out that, 8 years (maybe 9? Lightning Seeds officianados step forward now) down the line, I could still distinctly smell synthetic strawberry. It was obviously potent stuff. I was even more surprised to discover that Jollification is a far finer album than I remembered, incorporating the same kind of joy as DCW, in fact. Go on, have a listen to it again. "Perfect", "My Best Day" and "Punch & Judy" are still up to the task, for sure. And then Mark started banging on about Rhoda, and online petitions and the like. I whole-heartedly agree Sinister's finest twee-baiter, and so here is my attempt at non-violent, direct action: http://www.petitiononline.com/Rhoda/petition.html. Enjoy. And now, tape trees. (For those who don't know, tape trees are more like tape circles - everybody makes a tape, and then sends it to the next person in the circle. A fortnight later, you pass the tape you recieved on the person next to you. Eventually, all the tapes go round the circle, and you hear everybody else's tape. Everything ends when yours comes back to you). Right then. I may live to regret this, but I'd be quite up for being a tape-tree mummy. Here are my suggestions: 1) From previous experience, tape trees with pratrillions of people on them inevitably crumble under their own weight, and your tape never gets the whole way around, so I reckon an upper limit of 15 people would be a lot more practical, and easier for me to manage too. 2) CDs are allowed, too. 3) No B&S songs, because we know about them already* 4) Non-UK residents are more than welcome. Sound reasonable? Okay then, well email me your name and address, and say whether you're willing to post abroad, and we'll go from there. Hurrah. Hmm, a bit of an epic, I'm afraid. love Asm.x *unless it's "Rhoda". P.S. Don't forget: http://www.petitiononline.com/Rhoda/petition.html ================================ "He's strictly a pain in the ass, but he certainly has a good vocabulary" - Holden Caulfield _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rlorenson at xxx.net Mon Oct 6 16:50:07 2003 From: rlorenson at xxx.net (Rob Lorenson) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:50:07 -0700 Subject: Sinister: My last 14 bucks References: Message-ID: <001601c38c21$87dca6a0$4beffea9@escaflowne> [/uncloak] hi, Sinister. It's been many moons since I've posted, mainly lurking. Mainly spending FOREVER trying to find a job (over 1 year). THANK YOU MR. CRAPPY ECONOMY. :-) Anyways, after spending considerable cash on foodstuffs, 'cuz I just received my very last unemployment check, and it's important to eat. I had $14.00 remaining. So, I decided that I would spend it on DCW. I figure, it can't get any worse, so I might as well have something to entertain myself. Lo and behold, the local record place is selling them for $11.98. All I can say is BOY HOWDY NEATO KEAN SPIFF! :-) After listening to it 6 times in a row, it now replaces AYFS as my favorite B&S album. I don't care much for "Roy Walker," though. It's a little too noisy for my taste. But I do like the version of Lord Anthony better than the bootleg version that I heard. It does sort of lack the content of the other albums, but it's a damn good record. I've never been disappointed by B&S. I don't think it's POSSIBLE for them to make a bad record. They could make a recording of grating cheese, with Stuart singing about Jesus Boogers over it, and it would be a good record. So, it was 12 buck well spent. [/recloak] +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stoutrobin at xxx.com Mon Oct 6 17:43:03 2003 From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:43:03 +0000 Subject: Sinister: time for a brew Message-ID: Dear Sinister, You know, with all of these posts about the new album, I'm reminded, as I occasionally am, that even in this small pink corner of the world called Sinister we all seem to regard Belle and Sebastian in very different ways. I suppose this is a good thing, but it makes me feel I have to explain what I love about this band before I say all the other stuff I'm going to say. Stuart Murdoch once said: << I sincerely think all great music comes from lyrics. I'd love it if something British knocked me off my feet tomorrow, but the last British music to really knock me down was the Smiths. >> And sometimes I feel a little sorry for Stuart that he is who he is, because the last British music to really knock me down was Belle and Sebastian, and I'm sure it would be the same for him if he *wasn't* Belle and Sebastian, if you see what I mean. But the reason I thought of that quote is because of the first sentence. All the music I truly love comes from lyrics. There are very few songs that manage to describe certain feelings, situations, certain things about the world as well as Stuart's do. I think this is part of the reason I've never subscribed to the idea that b+s are twee. I listen to their songs and they describe the world around me, they wake me up to things I hadn't seen before. Unlike the narrowness and artificiality the label "twee" implies, I actually think his lyrics have both lyrical breadth and truth. He writes about the beauty of the world surrounding him, with an air of curiosity. It's probably because of this that I've rather enjoyed the diary Stuart has been keeping over the last year or so. Some would say that the diary somewhat scatters the mystique that the band have. I think that assumes that the world in his songs was entirely made up, and reading about the real world of belle and sebastian tarnishes the make-believe one. I think the two are merely different sides of the same coin. Often his diary entries, like his sleevenotes, come across as longhand versions of his songs. My favourite b+s album is If You're Feeling Sinister, but, you know, I think my favourite single (or ep) is I'm Waking Up To Us. They're very different records, but I think they have equally strong lyrical voices. And, as with the best of their output, strong lyrics and strong melody go hand in hand. I'd also compare a lot of the better stuff on the new album to the songs on their last single. This is where I think that Pitchfork review entirely misses the mark. The heritage of the more diverse songs on this album lies in songs like Electronic Renaissance, Simple Things, Shoot the Sexual Athlete and I'm Waking Up to Us, and couldn't be more different to Legal Man. Ah, I've rambled on a bit too much. I don't think I'll be able to fit a proper review into this envelope, so I'll send it separately. Robin x ps: at work today I wrote down this: SIMOB DCW ISWM PNYC IAC YDSM WUIB LA DMAFOM SL Anyone else agree?? pps: If you want to save the hassle of reading my album review, just read Richard Rask's and mine's the opposite. _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From boyincorduroy at xxx.com Mon Oct 6 18:13:15 2003 From: boyincorduroy at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Mark=20Casarotto?=) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:13:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Rhoda - a reminder Message-ID: <20031006171315.35023.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com> Wow! Thanks Sam! This is a serious thing - as many of you know, "Rhoda" is a work of staggering gorgeousness and it's a terrible crime that even those of us who do have it only have a 25th generation copy with stops and starts and dreadful interference. So go on, sign the petition - it takes 20 seconds and it might, just might, work. http://www.petitiononline.com/Rhoda/petition.html They'll *have* to listen to 1,300 voices (plus more if the Bowlie boards are also asked to sign, hint hint anyone with dual loyalties). Think how fucking cool we'll feel if this actually works :) Yours, sheep-worryingly (eh?), Mark xxx p.s. if anyone who received a Sinister Xmas gift hasn't thanked the person who sent it to them it's NOT TOO LATE to do so. p.p.s. http://www.petitiononline.com/Rhoda/petition.html ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From daisygreenlight at xxx.com Tue Oct 7 02:06:33 2003 From: daisygreenlight at xxx.com (miss lou) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: t*ee Message-ID: <20031007010633.56919.qmail@web60210.mail.yahoo.com> hello sinister. well, here i am just fourteen short hours before i will enter the record shop tomorrow to buy the new album. i must say, after reading all these reviews i don't know what i will make of it. i suspect i'll like it just fine enough, now that i have accepted the band is just different. mr. hewitt's review left me quite insatiably curious, though, at least until tomorrow. but...legal man? if legal man is your favored bit you will love dcw? i don't know about this at all. *** so i joined friendster. after hearing about it for ages from the kids at work. it's an interesting social experiement, i think. and i am just vain enough to admit i like reading my testimonials. as though people need to talk about me as they would a miracle stain remover on a late-night infomercial. one friendster described me in one word. twee. and i haven't even talked about my deep-seated love for my little pony barrettes. *** i suggest that if ken chu is on the lookout for album covers/cases that offer tactile happiness he pick up the new seal. i received a copy in the mail as payment for one of my many jobs these days, and i am happy to report the classy, heavy paper case features seal's face in RELIEF form. imagine the scene: i, in the late afternoon of a very lazy saturday, sit next to my roommate on the couch, holding an envelope (we are still in pajamas). i open the envelope. we see the seal cd, both simultaneously gasp with delight. upon unwrapping, we discover seal's LIPS are RAISED, waiting for us to kiss them. we do. again and again and again until we are spent. now you see. this album will sell by the THOUSANDS. *** i am certain i have admitted my love for steve burns, former host of blues clues, at an earlier time. late have i loved him especially; so much so that i wrote him a tiny email asking him to perform in my area. (note: the above clause was meant in no way to be dirty.) at any rate, i spent a good deal of time talking about steve at a party friday night, culminating with my frighteningly sober declaration that i MUST have steve's new album (songs for dustmites) for either christmas or my birthday. you can imagine my surprise and wondrous joy, then, when i heard mr. burns himself on npr yesterday. really, i think he is a brilliant man. xo.lou. ===== www.somewhereinbetween.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bulkdavid at xxx.com Tue Oct 7 03:28:58 2003 From: bulkdavid at xxx.com (David Hewitt) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 11:58:58 +0930 Subject: Sinister: careful now Message-ID: G'day all. KEN CHU ...came out of the woodwork, and said some stuff about boobs. All is right in the world again. MARK CASAROTTO ...chided me, saying: "Can Vanilla Flavid Davoured really never have heard T-Rex? Hewitt Minor, go and lock yourself in a cupboard with "I'm A Cuckoo" on repeate until the spirit of Phil Lynott apparates in front of you and sets fire to your bum." Yes, sir! (He's harsh, but fair. And devilishly handsome.) Phil Lynott didn't appear, but then I wouldn't really know if he did, since I've no idea who he is. The only person that appeared was the missus, wanting to know what I was doing in the cupboard. I said that it was something to do with you, Mark, and she just groaned, knowingly. You know, I've heard of many of these bands being mentioned around these parts recently (T-Rex, Thin Lizzy, 10cc, etc), but I'm not sure I'd be able to pick them out of a line-up or anything. I was raised on a strict diet of Beatles and Stones (mm, delish!), and when it was time for me to start buying records, The Smiths and (gulp!) The Cure were the thing, it being the mid-80s and all. There's a big space in between those eras, that's filled only with the likes of ELO, Hall and Oates and Barry Manilow, mostly courtesy of my mother. Most of the other stuff that was immediately before my time is a bit of a mystery to me, I'm afraid. I was under the impression that I hadn't missed much, but maybe I'll have to revise that. I must say, though, that "I'm A Cuckoo" has grown on my considerably over the last few days. I think it's the sheer ambition of the thing that impresses me now. I might have come to it colder than many of you who 'get' the pastiche, but it's actually a pretty swell song in its own right, once you get your head around how it sounds. I'll stand by pretty much everything else I said in my lengthy and incoherent review on the weekend, except perhaps to add that "If She Wants Me" just gets even better, if that's possible. "Roy Walker" still stinks, and "Stay Loose" still puzzles. It doesn't necessarily annoy, but I don't think it quite beguiles the way it's meant to, either. Everything else, I'm pretty pleased with, in the main. Also, Mark: I can't recommend a game show for you to go on, as I don't really know anything about pommy television (except that there doesn't seem to be very much of it). I reckon you should definitely go on SOMETHING, though - I've seen your pub-quiz skillz first hand, and I reckon you'd do just fine. I've been trying to get on "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?" for ages, but so far with no success. If I get on, you can be one of my 'phone-a-friends'. Even if I can't take them for the full million, we'll sting 'em with some international call charges, eh? SAM WALTON ...praised the new record for its audacity. And I guess I'll go along with that. I shy away from words like 'best', but this record certainly has its place alongside the others. I'd say I like it better than the soundtrack, but to say that it's better than the other ones, that've rubbed up against various important bits of my life, would be madness at this stage. It's a genuinely interesting, challenging, diverse and thoroughly new record, though, and an eminently listenable one at that. I don't think that anything new I've heard this year can touch it, and what else can you compare it to, really? I don't know if I'll figure out its position amongst the other albums until the next one's due to come out. It depends on how deeply it manages to bore into me, I suppose, and that takes time. Oh, and I signed your petition, by the way. I also dusted off an old mp3 of Rhoda, and it really is a marvellous little number, despite the awfulness of the recording. While I was at it, I heard a few other old live bits and pieces. I've recently defended the studio version of TLOAMDR, but the guitar on that live one is really out of this world, isn't it? It makes me go all squishy inside, somehow. The whistling is shit, though. I'm not joining a tape tree, because I don't have the means to record either CDs or tapes anymore. Pathetic, eh? Besides, I'm completely unreliable. Ask anyone. ROBIN STOUT ...made some very good points, and I won't do him the disservice of attempting to summarize them here. I reckon he hit the nail on the head pretty much, though, especially in regard to the heritage of some of DCW's more diverse songs. I too adored I'm Waking Up To Us (although again I'm reluctant to use words like 'best' and even 'favourite'), and I really do feel that the recent album is a further step in the same direction established by that EP. Which is pretty much what I wanted, actually. It hasn't got the consistency of the first two LPs (though he rightly mentions 'Electronic Renaissance', which is surely as jarringly inconsistent and out of place on Tigermilk as anything on DCW), it seems to take place in a larger world than the wonderful, secret, cosy one that the albums used to describe, and its certainly a bit wonky in parts. It's also varied, new and ambitious, though, and entirely eccentric. I guess it risks not being quite so specifically relevant to the people into whose ears the earlier records so seductively whispered, but of the directions the band could have gone in, I think sideways is far from the worst choice they could have made. Also, what's DMAFOM? Or am I just being dense? ME Nah, I've got nothin'. Bulk love, - Vanilla Flavoured David. _________________________________________________________________ Chat via SMS. Simply send 'CHAT' to 1889918. More info at http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/MoChat.asp?blipid=6800 +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From monroej at xxx.com Tue Oct 7 07:37:12 2003 From: monroej at xxx.com (John F. Monroe) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:37:12 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Rhoda mp3 Message-ID: <00d601c38c9d$71082860$e28acfa9@yourw92p4bhlzg> I have had many of the bad mp3's. On most of them, there is a glitch which causes a short pause, whihc is quite irritating, in addition to the oveall bad quality issues. Someone from Germany years ago sent me a live set from German radio, and he tacked on a few extra songs. Lo and behold, it was a "Rhoda" I had never heard before, as clean as could be. But there was a catch, there is _always_ a catch - it is missing the beginning. I am not sure how much time is lost, but enough to be irritated as I finally thought I found one of extremely low generation. bah! +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From billrogers_1 at xxx.com Tue Oct 7 12:01:42 2003 From: billrogers_1 at xxx.com (Nathan Reader) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 04:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Sweet things... Message-ID: <20031007110142.16707.qmail@web41308.mail.yahoo.com> Do you all also think that the Shantha Roberts girl in the liner notes is just as cute as the little guitar solo in 'Stay Loose'? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From a.s.t.r.i.d at xxx.com Tue Oct 7 12:35:00 2003 From: a.s.t.r.i.d at xxx.com (a.s.t.r.i.d at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 04:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Shirley Lee - what a man! Message-ID: <20031007113502.28094.h014.c000.wm@mail.nme.com.criticalpath.net> Dear Sinister, How come that always when I think that being me really sucks, everything turns around and - wohoo - life is lovely again. Lovely things: a) A new nice e-mail from Stephen Chbosky yesterday b) Getting an "Astrid +1" on the Spearmint gig at a club which I'm three years too young to get into, to see the lovely popsters, fronted by the amazing Shirley Lee, a man as cool as his name. Check out www.spearmint.net if you haven't heard them because they are great and so nice and Shirley, or Shirl as he calls himself, is super nice and wrote that he was looking forward to meeting me and gave me a number to a guy I should call if there are any problems. REALLY! It is all too nice! c) I've got standing... er.. seats or whatever it's called in English for the Black Rebel Motorcycle Club gig which I might go to, but most of all we just wanted to be able to choose. I haven't got any of their records but I really want to see something and be blown away. It was a long time since I went to a gig where I didn't know all the songs already. d) I've gotten, in total now, 2000 Swedish crowns to spend on... clothes! From my grandma and grandpa and I've bought such lovely things, so today after school I'm coming over for tea to model a bit and show what I've bought. And eat tremendous amounts of cookies, of course. Amanda is still THE BEST FRIEND EVER and we have so much fun that it should almost be considered a crime. She really is my best friend, and since her mum lives with my dad since like ten years, i've seen her grow up, and when she was maybe twelve or something and I was fourteen or fifteen, I remember thinking "HURRAH! She's a good kid, because now she's starting to like good music". Nowadays, let the amounts of bizarre insider-facts prove her eternal wisdom: Me: Astrid Amanda: OH MY GOD do you KNOW what I just found on the internet?! M: What? A: I found these really cool photos of Julian Casablancas in a phone box, taken by some Japanese stalker or something M: Wow A: You don't sound interested. FINE. I'll go somewhere else with my super exclusive facts then! M: Oh stop it. But was it just pictures of him in a phone box? A: Well, YEAH. But he was so UNAWARE! M: You are sick. A: Thank you. Now, I'm off to civics. I hate civics and it really is boring and I can see the teacher and I must get my stuff and OH how I am going to think of Shirley Lee and Spearmint and that I'm going to meet them instead of the EU. Take that! Er... Love, Spearmint and Cookies Astrid x ______________________________________________________________ For up-to-the-minute music news, reviews and specials visit http://www.nme.com Get free e-mail (anyname at nme.com) now at http://www.nmemail.com The sender of this e-mail is NOT an employee or associate of NME, nme.com or any other IPC magazine. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clairk at xxx.edu Tue Oct 7 19:50:55 2003 From: clairk at xxx.edu (kevin jackflaps) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 13:50:55 -0500 Subject: Sinister: existential angst Message-ID: <382765509.1065534654@clairk-01.res.carleton.edu> THE LONG AND WINDING ROAD I think for all the trouble I've had to go through for the sake of this new album, they should give it to me for free. First I have to not see the band when they come over here later this month, as they're going from Chicago straight to Texas and skipping this particular corner of the country entirely. I still think there's plenty of time in that three-day window between shows to play a surprise concert at, say, Carleton College, but I'm not going to get my hopes up or anything. It's too bad that the Chicago show isn't over a weekend or I could just ride a bus like I did last time and not have to drop out of school or anything. Today I went to go buy the album, but no one had it. Northfield has two record stores - the indie/collector one downtown and the big faceless chain south of town. I walked to both - it was a nice day out and I don't have anything better to do. The one downtown said that his distributor was all out and I couldn't get it until Thursday; the Sam Goody said that "we probably just haven't unpacked the box it's in" and I should come back tomorrow. This is where I wish I could drive someplace, but what can you do? Apparently I can wait until tomorrow to finally own the album. Sadness. WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE I've been meaning to write for a while. People kept bringing things up that I was like "oh, I have something to say about that!" And then I would say nothing for a long time. Now I've forgotten what most of those things are. Although I distinctly remember agreeing with Ken that a Belle and Sebastian game like that Wu-Tang Shaolin whatever game would be the Best Thing Ever. Except for that Wu-Tang Shaolin whatever game. There ought to be a crossover. FUNNY LIST NAMES I have one now. Isn't it clever? I don't really think it is, because I have to explain it and anything you have to explain isn't terribly clever. CALL AND RESPONSE Miss Lou said this: "i am certain i have admitted my love for steve burns, former host of blues clues, at an earlier time." I agree. On my radio show we play his song that they have on the computer like every week. It'll be the only song we do that to for like the whole of fall. OH YEAH, THE BAND I listened to DCW on that link that got passed round a few days ago. It's pretty good. I won't review it any more than that until I own it and have the chance to listen to it 755 times in a row. But when will that be? Intrigue. down and out in minnesota, -kevin http://www.jackflaps.net - a product of rural america "You should never wear your best trousers while going out to fight for truth and freedom." -- Henrik Ibsen +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rfadden at xxx.com Wed Oct 8 02:42:41 2003 From: rfadden at xxx.com (rrrrobyn) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: if find yourself caught in the socio-cultural construct of 'love'* Message-ID: <20031008014241.49535.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Hello hypermediated subjects of sinister, i have: The New Album. a new penchant for rawk. an early springtime plane ticket for london (!). new black leather boots that draw glances. a le tigre ticket (can't see them enough, can one?). a giant pot of freshly made chili (with crazy stuff like cumin and cocoa in it.) cold hands. i don't have: a b&s ticket for toronto. c'est trop cher pour moi. triste stuff. a whole bunch of new albums that i'd really like to have. a boyfriend. that elusive 'calmness of the soul' i keep hearing about. i don't mind what i don't have though. i'll live. (and, eesh, i've got *boots*!) i'm pretty happy to have this flutter in my heart that 'dear catastrophe waitress' is directly responsible for. i was a bit mopey today and then i bought the new album and came home and listened to it while making chili. i heart the new album, i do. of course, it really makes me want to go see b&s now... why no montreal show? why? but hey, i got to see the aislers set yesterday with yo la tengo. i mean, you can't shake a stick at that, can you? it was *great*. they teamed up with ylt for 'nuclear war', and, i mean, you haven't seen cute/excellent until you've seen all members of the aislers set singing 'gonna kiss your ass goodbye goodbye, you ain't got no ass' etc. and banging on drums and shaking tamborines. re: rawk: lately i'm really loving: the kills and the dirtbombs. man oh man, so great. the pop montreal festival was last weekend too and i got to go every night (it lasted 4 nights - by chance i met a guy who had to go out of town for le weekend and gave me his festival pass for the last 2 nights. wow, eh? luck. and boots. hahaha. all above board, people, above board.) so i got to see some great bands: metric, stars, washington social club, andrew vincent and the pirates, the unicorns, soft canyon, the eaves, aspera, julie doiron, and swearing at motorists. yes, so much music, so much fun! i'm not so much loving the totally sudden and painful descent into *cold*. literally, one day i was wearing a skirt and sandals and the next it was pants and a scarf. (and accompanying other coverings, of course, smutsters - it's called synecdoche. maybe.) and if you haven't yet seen 'Lost in Translation', please do so as soon as possible. go, go now, go. go. love, handknit scarves, and maybe even someone else's hands to keep your hands warm, robyn *that subject heading is me making fun of school. and, therein, making fun of myself. ohmygod, my aspirations *are* all wrapped up in books. i should switch my thesis to erotica. or plain old smut. it's not too late... p.s. roy walker and my fleetwood-mac nostalgia = hand in hand. rad. bit of The Who hanging around the album's parts too, i believe... and, i mean, if The Who were a boy, or even a girl with a turkey baster full of The Who chromosomes, i'd totally marry him/her and have a lot of really cool babies (who wouldn't look like any members of The Who proper but would just look like 'cool'. you know what i mean. or do you think we can make them in a lab out of old Who records and parts from radio shack? maybe?) ===== I was reading the dictionary. I thought it was a poem about everything. ~Steven Wright ~~~ Robyn Fadden rfadden at yahoo.com Montreal, QC __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From michael at xxx.org Wed Oct 8 04:34:48 2003 From: michael at xxx.org (Michael Vance) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:34:48 -0700 Subject: Sinister: There were no bell(e)s Message-ID: <5E25EFAE-F940-11D7-A985-000A957E8D0E@infinite-monkeys.org> Well, I leave to get married and then I come back to 82 messages. You people. At the reception I played The Boy With The Arab Strap for my friend Rob, stuck somewhere in rural southern Japan teaching English (maybe) with no Internet access. He was the only one of our merry band from high school and university who didn't make it. And we all know his heart... I also played Loneliness Of A Middle Distance Runner because it is a beautiful, beautiful song. Haven't heard the new album, but if Mrs. Apps likes it, I'm on board. I beat Mrs. Vance will be, too. Regards, m. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From brier at xxx.com Wed Oct 8 05:27:37 2003 From: brier at xxx.com (Brier Random) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:27:37 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Sweet things... References: <20031007110142.16707.qmail@web41308.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f401c38d54$811da9c0$0a0110ac@pavilion> > Do you all also think that the Shantha Roberts girl in > the liner notes is just as cute as the little guitar > solo in 'Stay Loose'? I would go a dozen steps further, and say that Shantha is the cutest girl i have EVER seen. The photo of her inside the booklet ends all argument on the topic. She makes my trevor Horn quiver. Simply mouth-watering. Who is she, what's her connection, and when will she fall at my feet weeping for understanding (and sexual favors)? I bought the album 12 hours ago, and haven't listened to it yet. Maybe I'm afraid. Maybe The Simpsons is on. But I gotta review it for the local, deadline is Friday. I got time. ~Brier +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lleweth at xxx.com Wed Oct 8 18:45:51 2003 From: lleweth at xxx.com (Laura Llew) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:45:51 +0000 Subject: Sinister: I'm a little lost sheep. I need my bo peep Message-ID: Part I: The Gorey Garroting "If Ben had turned down her proposal she would have garotted him with a nearly invisible strand of fishing line which she keeps hidden in her brassiere. Then, she'd dispose of the body in a brisk and efficient manner leaving enough time for an afternoon at the races." The above was the comment my friend made after I showed him a picture of our sweetheart Rachel Fruitloop Apps looking smart in a corduroy jacket with a tie with a sharp short haircut. Oh yes, if you have never seen pictures of her, then you're probably ignorant to the fact that she can change in a blink of an eye. She goes from sweet innocent faced smiling angel who sends out lonely lasses sugar cookies on Valentine's Day to EMMA PEEL'S ARCHNEMESIS. And who isn't a sucker for a girl who keeps fishing line in her bra to mangle boys with? You'd best listen to her when she calls you to arms in showering me with gifts (which it's never too late to do so). And, yes, I'm only bringing this to your attention because I care about your welfare and not for any reasons of personal selfishness. Though to be honest, I don't need as she already gave me by best birthday present this year (BY FAR). Plus, I had birthday candles which were little magarita glasses - like anything could top that! Part II: The Catatonic Catapostrophes You know, my dear sinisterines, just because the album is now available to be purchased everywhere and those who got promo copies or those who live where there was an earlier release date can no longer properly lord their experience with it over others doesn't mean the reviews have to stop. Look, there's still poor forlorn Kevin out there in Ottawa or wherever in the middle of no where he is still pining for a copy. Cheer up, you can always taunt him some more! C'mon, make the midwesterner cry! Or at least whimper. He's not an actual Cubs fan so there's no reason to take too much out on him. Oh, and this time when you do reviews be sure to tell us the important things this time. I've noted that NOT ONCE has anyone mentioned whether DCW has any masturbation references. We ALL know that's what was missing from and the real flaw of Fishyclap. Part III: Minxalicious Meetups Last time I posted, I believe I was in the midst of a heartbreak. Turns out the boy didn't reject me at all he was just "nervous." At least the faux-rejection was a reason to eat ice cream for breakfast for days on end. However, it's the last time I pick up a boy at a Belle & Sebastian show! >From now on, it's metallica fans all the way. Oh sure we might not have anything in common but I have enough socially neurotic awkward tendencies for three people. Though.. seeing as I'm going to both the Atlanta and Durham show (let's have a Sinister bbq!) I might make ammendments to this declaration. Ahem. Pre-show meetups anyone? I'll be there with my gay deceivers - who'd want to miss that? Part IV: Heartwrenching Heartbreak Goodbye Miss Maddie Minx. Goodbye my beloved list crush Ullastrator. You both are among my favorite girls ever and I already miss you too much as it is. Part V: The Patronizing Parrot Will Porter protested, "I think someone better fess up to not having passed it on, or Laura Llew might just throw the Sestina Weasel at you. I think it's a safe bet that nobody wants that." I don't know - after Kevin Hyde boasted to having a buick between his legs I don't think it's safe to draw limits about what a boy will do these days just to get a girl's attention. I mean, do you know the trunk capacity of a buick? My hokey. xo, Ll _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From brier at xxx.com Thu Oct 9 04:45:06 2003 From: brier at xxx.com (Brier Random) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:45:06 -0700 Subject: Sinister: I'm a little lost sheep. I need my bo peep References: Message-ID: <032101c38e17$d5dcb870$0a0110ac@pavilion> Llaura Llew Ssaid: > I've noted that NOT ONCE has anyone mentioned whether DCW > has any masturbation references. We ALL know that's what was missing from Fishyclap. Unless you consider the nickname we've given it. I mean, me & my schoolyard friends have referred to female masturbation as "the ol' fishy-clap" since 3rd grade. P.S.: Short posts are the new long posts. Discuss. ~Brier +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pass_the_peas85 at xxx.com Thu Oct 9 14:38:35 2003 From: pass_the_peas85 at xxx.com (hannah brown) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:38:35 +0100 Subject: Sinister: follow the troubadour Message-ID: wooooaaaah, This feels a bit strange, like walking into a room you haven't visited for 10 years, well, maybe not that profound. Admittedly i haven't paid any attention to sinister for the past 4-5 months, lets say i've been in hibernation. In that time i have been discovering the joys of non-student life, spending my days researching the layouts of various Sainsbury's in my area, watching Spaced videos until i can quote every line and finally appreciating the exciting and varied world of coffee, mmmmmm. On a little B&S note, i have been taking some (appropriate) CD's into the bar where i work. Recently i took FISHYCLAP because i figured it was non offensive and pleasant to eat your dinner to. However, i realised that the problem with this album is track number 3, the infamous "Beyond the Sunrise". You see, it doesn't matter what i am doing, when it comes on i have to rush to skip it. I contemplated starting the album on track four to save any feelings of anxiety but then realised that i would skip past " The Model" which would e a crime. I have also been playing Dots and Loops by Stereolab because i FUCKING love that album and i even made a tape which always make someone bob their head about, especially when " Green Onions" comes on. Talking of onions, i know of two songs that have the word "Onion" in the title. 1, "green Onions" by booker T and 2, "Know your Onion" by The Shins. Can anyone think of any more song titles with the word Onion in it, boy i would shhhure like to find out. ASM metioned starting up a tape tree thing, which is great but what happened to Colin the other tape tree person, i've had Carsmile's tape for ages now and i want a new one!!!!!!!! I would be up for doing another tape, my last one was a bit poo, i even decided to put a track that me and some friends did when we were under the influence, in hidsight it's tres embarrassing and makes me want to eat my own chin. hey, i wouldn't mind another tape fron John Jennings, the other Oadby dude coz that last one was BRILLIANT and i learnt lots from it. well, that wasn't so bad was it, hannah b ps, went to see arab strap last night, V V V good but perhaps a little too much violin _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From maaike at xxx.org Thu Oct 9 16:09:28 2003 From: maaike at xxx.org (Maaike) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:09:28 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Am I enough happy? Am I enough fast? References: Message-ID: <006801c38e77$562a48d0$0f01a8c0@maaike> Hello, I'm Maaike and I'm a girl (as someone asked the other day) and I've given been a voice, so I might as well start using it - because I know two songs with the word 'Onion' in them! Glass Onion by the Beatles and Onion Soup by 22 Pistepirko. They're both rather good, too. So there you have it. ;-) I haven't bought the album yet and I'm no good at reviewing anyway. But my fave song without a doubt is Piazza, New York catcher. This song alone would be a reason for buying the album. Except it's not the only one on my wishlist... (I am Kloot comes to mind, and Elbow...). The boy I share a room with at work plays lounge and hiphop all day. Sigh. Back into hiding (and work.), Maaike ----- Original Message ----- > Talking of onions, i know of two songs that have the word "Onion" in the > title. 1, "green Onions" by booker T and 2, "Know your Onion" by The Shins. > Can anyone think of any more song titles with the word Onion in it, boy i > would shhhure like to find out. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hobart at xxx.uk Thu Oct 9 23:49:29 2003 From: hobart at xxx.uk (ian) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:49:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: what are you doing saturday, baby? Message-ID: <007701c38eb7$9d465f20$073b87d9@default> hello, my little shivvers of gorgeousness, i swear you look different every time i see you. i do wish you'd wear a proper skirt, though. you'd look so PRETTY in a dress. like a real girl. anyway...err...what was i going to say... oh yeh, that was it. on SATURDAY, there will be some TIGERMILKING in LONDON, above the betsy trotwood pub at some point. perhaps you already know this, because someone has mentioned it on the list. i know it from somewhere, but it might not be from here. my brain isn't what it could be lately...if nobody has posted details, i'm sure someone will soon anyway, there's MORE to saturday than just the expression of udder-related fluid from those of a large feline persuasion.. because, on saturday, a certain purple trousered sinisterine will be celebrating rather a special birthday. i'll give you a clue: its jim taylor (was that clue too subtle, do you think, jim??) and its one of THOSE birthdays. but i'll say no more, incase he's feeling coy. surely that's worth making a special trip to the south/north/east/west (delete as appropriate, depending on where you live) for, isn't it? does anybody fancy pre-tigermilking shennanigans? apparently, some people will be watching football, but it'd be nice to meet someone who wasn't, too. god, i haven't seen you lot in SO LONG. okay, i was going to try and write witty things, but i'm not up to it tonight.. so i'll just close with a few random things. hannah...onion songs - how on earth could you forget 'the world is just a great big onion' by marvin gaye and tammi terrell (quite possibly misspelled)? its a CLASSIC OF OUR TIMES...even if it is confusing.. having established that the world is an onion, marvin and tammi then go on to contemplate appropriate ways of solving the problem..one of which is 'get rid of the great big onion', by planting 'loves seeds until it dies'. now there's a problem there...if the world is an onion, and you get rid of the onion, you're in a bit of a quandry, aren't you? unless you happen to own a spacecraft. there's another bit of the song which tells you to 'knock on every door, tell them love is the answer'. having tried this, i don't recommend it. at least, not in wolverhampton. especially not in certain parts, where its known as 'soliciting'. anyway, i'm going off the subject. now, does anyone know of a song with 'parsnip' in it? that would be REALLY impressive. people have been talking about the new album, and its acronym. various permutations on the letters DCW have been suggested. laura has complained there isn't enough wanking. well, hell, when have we ever be bound by convention? let's just call the album 'jismstain' (capitalise if you wish) and be done with it, shall we? thus satisfying laura llew, and ending the whole controversy. kieran devaney wrote a post mentioning more areas of birmingham than i've EVER managed. i'm not even going to try and compete: selly oak, balsall heath, moseley, bordesley green, winson green, green green green, northfield, harborne, bearwood.. okay, yes i am. but maybe not on this list, cos you'll get angry. speaking of which, though... how come sinister has a york 'our cathedral is not as nice as lincoln cathedral' massive and not a birmingham one? its a poor show, kiddliwinks. even a west midlands one would do. me, robin stout, and some geezer that's defected to sheffield aren't a massive in ourselves, yknow.. i want to be able to write things like SHOUT OUT TO MA WEST MIDLANDS POSSE at the end of posts and not just be talking about my cats. this has possibly been my most random sinister post ever. if it gets one reply, that'll be more than the average of late.. i wanted to talk to you about the feeling of losing a band, because you've talked about that, and its how i feel... or, not so much the feeling of losing a band, but the feeling of losing something unique and special of which you were a part. not so much the band, as what they symbolised to us, once upon a time. but they didn't form to be symbolic, they formed to make nice music, and perhaps to be successful. looks like they're managing the second, at least. this weekend, i would like to see you discussing: bananas, and amusing things we've done with them the joys of talking to cats moments of inner quietness, when you realise you're connected to something bigger than the everyday swirl around you. and wind-up nuns. but i'm sure i won't. look after each other. or, at least, look after yourselves. SHOUT OUT TO MA WEST MIDLANDS POSSE! meow xx ian +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From daisygreenlight at xxx.com Fri Oct 10 01:24:06 2003 From: daisygreenlight at xxx.com (miss lou) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 17:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: you are beautiful, but you don't mean a thing to me. Message-ID: <20031010002406.98775.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com> hello sinister. well. i bought it. i unwrapped it my car, the soothing sounds of 'i know where the summer goes' preparing me for newness. i appreciated the lovely cover, the lovely cd art. i put it in, lit my cigarette, put the car in reverse. and then i suddenly could not move. i couldn't. was there some sort of accident? i thought. is someone next to me listening to some awful rabble drowning out my band? no. it was just 'step into my office, baby.' at top volume. i almost dropped my cigarette on my leg. *** so. i don't like it. at all. we begin with 'belle and sebastian SING BROADWAY!!!!!' and then neatly lead into stuart murdoch's playdate with big john shaft and prince. piazza provides one gleaming moment of hope, only to collapse into a series of songs i suspect i already heard once in the waiting room at the dentist's office. yes, 'lord anthony' is nice, another tiny shred intact among the tatters. but then it just all goes to hell again. as for all the talk about 'if you find yourself caught in love,' i have two words for this song (and maybe for the album): boxed wine. 'roy walker.' right. 'stay loose' offers a weird the clash-the faint thing with hints of 'and your bird can sing.' which, when wrapping up a whole that really reminded me of pet sounds, was disconcerting for me. i think this may be the weirdest thing i've ever heard. and i don't know if it will grow on me. people have said i am being too harsh, and perhaps i am. i realize all bands must grow and change in order to maintain interest and creative genius, etc. but still. this near-total reinvention adds up to a really loud sound missing all the charm belle and sebastian used to swim in. i always liked the band for sounding twee without really being twee lyrically; i liked the happy flutes and strings and effeminate male vocals singing about dying, killing people, etc. not that those things were an extenion of what i like to do, of course, but the wierd, dark, near-creepy lyrics made the songs perfect, i think. now, we have sunbeams. prayers. lots and lots of happy love. and while those things may have their place, i'd like to hear them done well if i must listen to them, with some discretion. saccharine sentimentality has no place in my stereo, at least. so here, i will say, with much sorrow, i think isobel's solo album is BETTER than dcw. . .. ..... *weeps* xo.lou. ===== www.somewhereinbetween.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From purpletrousers at xxx.com Fri Oct 10 02:30:49 2003 From: purpletrousers at xxx.com (jim taylor) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 02:30:49 +0100 Subject: Sinister: London stuff this saturday & hello stranger Message-ID: It's been a while. Too long in fact. There's a lot to say. It would be good to say it face to face. If you didn't live so far away. I hope i won't get my wrist slapped for having forgotten to buy the album today. It's nice looking forward to it (new B&S) a little more than usual, having had so many of the sinister crumblies getting out their zimmers and springing into life with positive reviews. Thank you all for being better at posting than me. I'll be brief for once: There is as you probably know a sini-gathering this saturday in London: WHERE ? The Betsey Trotwood Pub Farringdon Road (by Farringdon Tube) http://www.fancyapint.com/thepubs/pub296.htm WHEN ? depends WHY ? Because it's better than the latest crap saturday talent show on telly. they do good ale. and it does you good to get out. and you get to see Carsmile, Ian Anscombe (From Birmingham, gasp) and lots of loverly other sinister types. and hear them dj. well not all of them obviously. 6-8pm England Vs Turkey on the Groundfloor if you are so inclined. Then 8-1pm upstairs, maybe a more mellow session before the fun frolics & dancing you so know and love as T*I*G*E*R*M*I*L*K*I*N*G http://www.undermybed.org/tigermilking/ So that's your London saturday night sorted. Sorry it's useless to all those elsewhere. Quite often i'd like to be elsewhere. But seeing as this is my 30th Birthday do, I'll be there with bells on. Well, with a beard on actually. Big Hugs and no politics* Jim * i lied. see http://www.controlarms.org/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnnythreeb at xxx.com Fri Oct 10 03:23:46 2003 From: johnnythreeb at xxx.com (John Wojcik) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: The waitress is no catastrophe Message-ID: <20031010022346.85651.qmail@web20808.mail.yahoo.com> The girl on the cover of the new album is so damn cute. If anyone has any information about how I could reach her and possibly buy her sushi, please forward it on. Thanks, John __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jayeckard at xxx.com Fri Oct 10 05:20:52 2003 From: jayeckard at xxx.com (Jay Eckard) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 04:20:52 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Wait for it..Wait for it..There! Actual Content! At the Bottom! A Party Invite! Message-ID: Sinister -- Goodness. In betwixt Miss Llew's and Mr Brier's talk of female masturbation I was left all agog. Such talk, honestly! My ears will be burning for days. We all know girls are quite lovely, but some things ought not to be discussed in a public forum. There are children about (possibly)! [It's understandable Laura Llew would mention such things, being a porn star and all. You know she is. Look at all the boys and girls positively Swooning over her.] Fortunately, I was swooning over Miss Rrrobyn* **. I mean, anyone on Friendster knows I love a good pair of boots, but then there was Le Tigre! And scarves! And THE EAVES! I love the Eaves: their self titled debut is a lovely album, with overtones of 80s Synth and bits of Surf Rick guitar and Cure-y lushness. I managed to get it on playlist for my radio station WXDU (www.wxdu.org/listen) and get tickets for their show. Which they promptly cancelled. Pfft to that. I still love them though, especially their sing Bird Lawyer. Oh yeah. Dear Rrrobyn, I so want to run away to Canada. If only I could deal with the cold in a fashionable manner. Alas, GayJay + cute boots + wintry conditions = GayJay on his less-than-fashionable side. She also likes "Roy Walker". I though I was the only one to do so. I don't understand the objections to it. Am I the only one to remember (selective bits of) being 17? I always mean to get around to saying something serious, yet my venial dedication to the trivial (think that one over) always wins. But here goes: I hear over and over again, "The music of Belle and Sebastian just doesn't FEEL the same any more." I think that was what the ever-delightful and delightfully fiesty Ms Idleberry*** was getting at when she remarked about Tigermilk 5.0. Dear hearts -- and I mean this to the folk what remember when Dr Who was still bopping about TARDIS-style -- I don't think it's entirely them. To be fair, a bit of it is. We can't seriously expect them to keep knocking out Sinister-era songs over and over again. The band are artists, after all, and we can't expect them to keep mining the same thing. They need to change; to move on. Look at Mr Shakespeare. He went from fart jokes in the Comedy of Errors to the fascinatingly rich works like The Tempest, Hamlet and Coriolanus (His best work. Seriously. Pity no one reads it). Generally speaking, I find, like Our Will's plays, Belle and Sebastian's music to have increased in complexity -- and at least to me, interest. [Umm, to say nothing of actual performance technique.] And that's not to say that Dear Catastrophe Waitress is inferior to If You're Feeling Sinister, no more than to say The Comedy of Errors is better than Hamlet. They do different things, in different ways. But -- and this, like my own, is a rather big but -- like the band, we, the fans, have changed as well. God knows, it's been a while since some of us first heard those dulcet tones. In the interim, Things have happened to us. I dare say one or two of us have grown up a bit. I pity anyway who hasn't managed to change in those years, as they will have utterly wasted them. But, if the songs don't reach us like they used to, if they don't MEAN what they did, it may be simply that they oughtn't to in quite the same way. Maybe we don't need music like a crutch as we once did. Maybe wanting the music to be the same is a form of nostalgia, and isn't that always a little self-indulgent? Not that the music (then or now) doesn't still have power and meaning. I see the young people frequently writing into Sinister with a new voice whose opnions echoed mine when I was X-teen. I have incredible memories of some of the tunes when I forst heard them I'll always carry with me. But I keep getting new ones. And new takes on old ones. Does "Seeing Other People" mean the same thing to me now as it did in 1997? Hardly. Back then, I didn't even /have/ a boyfriend to have a tangled, confused past with. Even later, "There's Too Much Love" didn't mean shit to me till I was literally broke, friendless and dazed. Then, it when I was, that song was my little piece of the world. Now, it shows me what I can do with myself to get out of that state (I was in. Sorry. Bad Pun). And that, dear tykes, is the mark of greatness. That something can contain enough Stuff to have that much meaning -- multiple things just to one person, let alone a bunch. But then again, maybe I'm just projecting my incipient decripitude on everbody here. But. Here's the content. Two Fold. One -- and this is directed to the South East regional US Folk--Party at Mine before the Show! I know a couple of folks rolling into town for the show on the 27th. I know more who have a oddish block of time between work and Show. What to do? To Que! I'm going to have a little Barbeque that afternoon/evening before the show. There'll be grilled meat products, cheap beer (Can you say PBR?) and amusing local personalities. Come! Invite your loved ones! Gawk at Laura Llew! Get trashed and make a pass at a DJ! More info to come. Two -- and this is dedicate to the Folks in Scotchland -- Does anyone/ did anyone attend Glasgow University? Is it a Swell Place? Does it have Good Programs? I'm applying there for graduate school (In Dramaturgy) and wondered what the local Word about it was. That's all. Return to your regularly scheduled programs, GayJay *It has been noted (perjoratively) that I get crushes on girls, yet am a Poof. Umm, well. I do. It's not a /Romantic/ thing, and 'Crush' sounds much more pleasant than 'unhealthy obsession' doesn't it? **If pressed, my current boy-type crushes are on this Doctor named Coop on ER (whom, I might add, I'd punch in the puss if I ever actually met) and possibly on Brier Random. Has anyone actually SEEN this guy? If he seriously looks like the pic up on the Picture Page, I am *so* starting to pine for him as the moon does the sunset, but as someone once said "No-one on Sinister looks /that/ good****." ***Whose 25th Birthday is Saturday. I trust plans are afoot to celebrate in a Style She Can Become Accustomed To. My dear, the Hope Diamond was a bit pricey -- not to mention difficult to subtly procure -- but I felt it was appropriate. I'm sending it over in Joanna Southcott's box with a few stamps on. Let me know when it arrives. ****Though I'm not sure of that. I'll need to inspect a few people in person before I can issue that particular fatwah. Please make arrangements accordingly. -- "The Posby falls into a Trance In which it does a little Dance." Edward Gorey _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From billrogers_1 at xxx.com Fri Oct 10 05:38:52 2003 From: billrogers_1 at xxx.com (Nathan Reader) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: you are beautiful, but you don't mean a thing to me. In-Reply-To: <20031010002406.98775.qmail@web60201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031010043852.43163.qmail@web41313.mail.yahoo.com> That was a bit harsh miss lou. Don't you all think? I don't think that you can expect much more than the best from B&S, and that's what they give us. You were probably right about 'Roy Walker' though. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ethan at xxx.com Fri Oct 10 16:39:51 2003 From: ethan at xxx.com (Ethan Gold) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:39:51 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Phil Lynott, Seymour Stein, Sinister, the GNP, and Ethan Message-ID: Dear Sinister, I have been gazing silently on your lovely and mulitvaried countenance for too long. You have floated quietly into multiple email addresses and desktops and laptops over a few years. I wondered if or when I would ever actually post something myself, and finally another insomniac evening has me listening to the new record as the sun comes up in Los Angeles and feeling giddy enough to type to a thousand geeky phantoms in the wires. I almost chimed in during the mad 'twee' debate just to say 'stop the madness' but the debate was so deliciously geeky I didn't want to break its groove. Stuart seemed to psychically respond to it in his own liner notes two months later with his remark about talking with a friend about favorite words: "Whatever, you can bet the conversation did nothing to contribute to the GNP of the Glasgow area," which I thought was great. Twee debaters take heed: you also did magnificently little for global economics, which is great. Actually, so far that moment in the liner story is my favorite on the record, oh well. But I do like the record. And no, I'm not one of those johnny-come-lately yanks somebody posted about who likes "Legal Man" best. I was actually a dropout for a while. Kind of got lost in TBWTAS and it went downhill from there. I'd gotten in with IYFSinister through a friend who was trying to explain to me the meaning of the word "twee" (no kidding). My worldview shifted, and I got gentler. I went backwards from there to Tigermilk. Then came the gradual decline, and I got lost in the mishmash of the dreaded Other Songwriters In the Band in the next records, although I did like "Seymour Stein". I don't know if y'all know the music business stories about that guy: Seymour was not your average a&r man. He's a legend, not only for signing huge people for several decades, but also for seducing one young boy in each of the bands he signed. So the mocking send-off Stevie (right?) gives him is pretty hilarious. And it softened the damage that democratization did to B&S. Anyway, IYFS is still my favorite, yes, that and Tigermilk are like gentle rain patting on your roof when you're inside on a grey day, and what can be better than that. So far on "Catastrophe" I like "Piazza", and not only cuz it's all about my foggy hometown San Francisco. The rest of the record is still percolating. The 'My Shepherd' references start to come on a little thick in "If You Find Yourself Caught in Love" and "Roy Harper" (oy). But I have to say I think "I'm a Cuckoo" is great. It's like sprinkling flowers all over Phil Lynott's grave. For those of you who never rocked, that song is basically Thin Lizzy, but in fairer tones. The guitars chords change on the 'and' just like "The Boys are Back in Town" and the twin 3rds guitar lines were THE Thin Lizzy trademark, so the Thin Lizzy-o rhyme is just perfect, and not a forced rhyme as some have claimed. Anyway, that song makes me happy this morning. I feel like the heroin is leaving Phil Lynott's body forever and he's coming back to life and dancing. 'Big ups' as they say in my town to the other shy former silent partners who made me less bashful by recently coming out of the woodwork, or the wainscotting, as the case may be. (claddie, ann, mike, etc.) And hello to all you regulars. Wish it were dreary and raining, Ethan +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Katia913 at xxx.com Fri Oct 10 17:04:52 2003 From: Katia913 at xxx.com (Katia913 at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:04:52 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Digging Message-ID: <26FC7C58.501F6B62.0077470B@aol.com> Belle and Sebastian to Sinister-kids, they were our history, our possiblilty. Dare I say, Our J-Lo. Think about the questions most of us ask a new interest at the bar, at the party or at the library. "So...What do you listen to??" Hopeful waiting then..."Pretty much everthing. But not Country, or Techno." How many times have I gotten that answer just to be a little disappointed. But maybe thats because they are stronger people. I always put that answer off as, oh, this cat doesn't dig the way I do, they don't put effort into the little stuff...they aren't nearly as interesting. But, Sinister, dare I say they might not need to dig the way you and I do?? Maybe thats why you don't like B&S the way you used to. They don't carry that same meaning, same despair that matches what you felt last week. Last time the pockets of your duffle coat were weighted with medication. Maybe this different sound doesn't say the same thing it used to. And you don't have to dig anymore. We are all comfortable with OLD Belle and Sebastian, we love them, thats why we are here. Get to know new Belle and maybe you'll see them in a new way. Digging for that hidden gold is nice and all, when you find it its beautiful and new and you shine it up and show your friends or hide in in your purse if you're selfish. But while you are in the shaft, you are missing all the pretty colors on the trees outside. If we get comfortable with who we are and don't dig to cover ourselves from the outside, maybe new belle and sebastian will be just as beautiful as that hidden treasure we found so many years ago. I adore you, Sinister Kate of C +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From johnnythreeb at xxx.com Fri Oct 10 17:53:29 2003 From: johnnythreeb at xxx.com (John Wojcik) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: The waitress is no catastrophe In-Reply-To: <20031010022346.85651.qmail@web20808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031010165329.27252.qmail@web20810.mail.yahoo.com> Someone really has to help me. I can't help but keep looking at the cover of the album. The music is okay. But boy oh boy that Shanha Roberts makes me heart beat like a conga drum. Maybe she'd like New York City. If only for a visit. John --- John Wojcik wrote: > The girl on the cover of the new album is so damn > cute. If anyone has any information about how I > could > reach her and possibly buy her sushi, please forward > it on. > > Thanks, > John > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product > search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister > mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail > sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe > sinister-digest" to > majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: > http://www.missprint.org/sinister > +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart > david, looper +-+ > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly > deranged fanbase" +-+ > +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - > NME April 2000 +-+ > +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List > organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ > +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" > - NME June 2001 +-+ > +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee > kwa +-+ > +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan > slut! +-+ > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Chikaskia at xxx.com Sat Oct 11 02:36:05 2003 From: Chikaskia at xxx.com (Chikaskia at xxx.com) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:36:05 -0400 Subject: Sinister: silly full moon glow Message-ID: <27F30FBE.07084507.022AA8DC@aol.com> hi to all on this list. i am a long time lurker like many others here (i know a few of you here from another list of years ago called 'popjourno'). i bring you all strong ozarks and oklahoma prairie full moon energy that has percolated all week long, imagine good, organic, local food, beautiful people from newborns to crones, bright stars, fantastic clouds, the waxing moon, fire circles with appalachian, celtic, and korean instruments, hippie sisters rapping to a single drum and dancing the caber to a lowland pipe~ fields of pumpkins, horses with a wise knowing look in their eyes, sweat lodge fire, and sweating/chanting/praying to six directions, finally stumbling out of the 'sipapu', hardly any more able to stand that as if a newborn baby~ little treats like wild mushroom soup, pear trees spilling at the side of a lane. the thick somber pleasure of introspection while staring into the embers, under the midnight velvet of the heavens, the full body of the ancient earth revealing herself~ all this bracketed by the little city of tulsa before and after: the cycle of the retro dance floor, the court of crushes, the cycle of the poetry reading with it's spectrum of trash to vision, the cycle of the meditation circle~ may you all celebrate this most ripe moon in wonderful ways in your own hoods and lands! curtis andrew beckwith, in oklahoma +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hessb at xxx.edu Sat Oct 11 21:54:44 2003 From: hessb at xxx.edu (Brian Hess) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:54:44 -0500 Subject: Sinister: it's dot com! Message-ID: <000501c39039$e6a710f0$3516010a@hessb> Hey all, Greetings from PA Dutch country, where it's hard to be a B&S fan considering that the cows don't have very good taste in general. It's almost criminally pleasant outside today, and all the students are playing frisbee or field hockey. There's a lot of picnics happening here at the school too, people with Etown College plates and slight beer guts eating catered food and pretending to like each other. Good times, good times. My friend wants to play "I'm a Cuckoo" on his radio show tonight. Sadly this means I'll have to temporarily part with my copy of DCW, which has become an added appendage for me as of late. I think I'll be ok though, as the only chance I'll have to listen to it between now and tomorrow afternoon is after church, and "Step Into My Office, Baby" doesn't work too well up against all the church stuff. Although I might try to get a slightly modified "If You Find Yourself..." into the service at some point hehe... So I stayed up really late last nite talking to my art major friend about nothing in particular, biding my time, drinking her cider. Well, sampling anyway. And it was real nice, kept me awake until the fire alarm went off in our dorm at 3:00 AM, probably due to a bizarre fire extinguisher fight accident. Funny how things work out pleasantly like that sometimes. And that's all I've got to say. Did I do ok for my first post? I feel so grown up and stuff. I'll be representing at the Tower Theatre show next month, say hi if you're in town. Peace~ Brian +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From littlearsonist at xxx.com Sat Oct 11 22:55:15 2003 From: littlearsonist at xxx.com (marie elia) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 14:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: i love my car Message-ID: <20031011215515.37417.qmail@web41102.mail.yahoo.com> a while back, keith watson spake thus: > Glad to hear everyone's enjoying the new LP, "magical pop confection" that > it apparently is; I haven't heard it yet cause it's not out yet but I'm sure > I will enjoy it when it does come out. Does anyone have the DVD yet or does > that take too long to download? ouch! that smarted. so i refused to listen to the promo copy that had dropped in my boyfriend's lap, waiting instead for the actual release. on tuesday, october 7 (exactly five years and two days after kimmy first slipped me a taped copy of IYFS and TBWTAS, which i listened to on the way to a liz phair show), christiaan waltzed into borders (the original borders, mind you) and paid the astronomical price of $16.99 for the new album. this is the first b&s album i haven't bought. but you know, i still own it. jointly. anyway. i listened to it while cleaning house the other night. tuesday night. it was alright. but then. today, i grabbed it on my way out to drive to the grocery store. and it hit me. you have to be Driving A Car to fall in love with this album. it's even better if you're driving down back roads in michigan with the amazing colors of turning leaves around you. i realized, this is the best fucking belle & sebastian album EVER. i love every song. i am fucking thrilled. i was so fucking thrilled that i drove past the grocery store and hit said back roads, driving and driving, just to be driving with the window down and stuart serenading me through the speakers. it's like the best 60s/70s pop with better lyrics. but with sweet old skool b&s moments. it's like the best of everything. and stuart is Sassy, damn. note: i like how he pronounces "thin lizzy" like "thin lezzy" -- or so it sounds to me. keep the faith, ree xo. ===== _____________________________________ "to me she was just marie." -mersault http://www.joannou.net/ree _____________________________________ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From djtowel2000 at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 00:08:03 2003 From: djtowel2000 at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?DJ=20TOWEL?=) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:08:03 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Belle and Sebastian on the radio Message-ID: <20031012230803.22607.qmail@web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hey you! Yes, you the "sinister mailing list" - you got a mention on the radio the other night. AND The delightful miss honey was namechecked, by name! She's a staaaaraaraaraaararrrrrraaarraarr! Go and listen to the whole show at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/scotland/ and you can read the web transcript while you're there. If you have a fast internet you can just download the mick and stevie bit from http://homepage.ntlworld.com/christopher.leonard1/mp3s/mickstevie.mp3 (6ish mb). It'll be there for a couple of days. Glad to be of assistance, Chrys Lynyrd www.sleekasounds.com ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From littlearsonist at xxx.com Mon Oct 13 00:53:40 2003 From: littlearsonist at xxx.com (marie elia) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 16:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: new yawk times. Message-ID: <20031012235340.97048.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/12/arts/music/12ROSE.html?ex=1066972553&ei=1&en=8968c35d78ee8492 glad to see struan sporting the mets gear. my only memory of shea stadium (when i was 9) was wanting to Leave Please Soon Please? i myself have no love for the baseball. xo, ree ===== _____________________________________ "to me she was just marie." -mersault http://www.joannou.net/ree _____________________________________ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chris_t_opher at xxx.com Mon Oct 13 03:44:30 2003 From: chris_t_opher at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?chris=5Ft=5Fopher?=) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 03:44:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: some more dcw reviews Message-ID: <20031013024430.97262.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> people, i just wrote this for Comes with a Smile (www.comeswithasmile.com) and anyone here with time to waste: --- Belle & Sebastian – Dear Catastrophe Waitress (Rough Trade) Heroes to many, a sad joke to others, Belle & Sebastian can inspire both obsession and disgust from various quarters. That may be changing, however, as 'Dear Catastrophe Waitress' sees the band shedding their middle-class, intellectual-only, folk image. In its place, these 12 tracks bring an all-new Belle & Sebastian: poppy, polished, confident, realised and accessible. Step Into My Office, Baby is a cheeky and playful opener, If She Wants Me is a light and fluffy sing-along, I'm A Cuckoo is a blatant Thin Lizzy tribute and the closing track, Stay Loose, would have been a sure-fire hit in the 80s. Though the band denies Trevor Horn has heavily influenced their sound, much can be read into their unflinching willingness to employ him in the first place. For those old school fans currently despairing in their bedrooms, there are a few (yes, just a few) tasty treats on offer. The almost-lost gem, Lord Anthony, has thankfully been revived and will now stand alongside countless early E.P. and album tracks as a classic. Piazza, New York Catcher is a Donovan-esque acoustic song of sexual confusion and books – things that made 'old' songs so great. However, they do feel like something of a cop-out by Stuart Murdoch. For such an otherwise-radical album, these 'traditional' tracks somehow feel out of place. Those who have remained loyal will probably feel disappointed upon the first few listens and the album does have some 'grower' potential. But whilst there are encouraging signs (Sarah Martin's blossoming voice, Trevor Horn not destroying the band completely, Stuart Murdoch reigning in songwriting controls) sparks of genius are few and far between – especially considering this is Belle & Sebastian's longest album to date. Overall, 'Dear Catastrophe Waitress' is a sweeping change – too drastic for many – to something almost completely unrecognisable as that shy, retiring group from Glasgow. --- i also stumbled across rolling stone's review of dcw at http://www.americanmary.com/press/thenational_ssfdl_RS934_ltr.jpg . the national's album next to it is very good by the way. two posts in a month. i must be unemployed or something... c. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From paulo_stinsoni at xxx.com Mon Oct 13 12:18:52 2003 From: paulo_stinsoni at xxx.com (Paulo Stinsoni) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:18:52 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Punctured bicycle on a hillside - desolate Message-ID: You young whippersnappers you. I remember lying in my bedroom, back in 198? and listening to �This Charming Man�. It was the first Smiths song I�d ever heard, and Johnny Marr�s guitar twinkled on the tops of the pretty little notes, Morrisey whined his grass roots lyrics intertwined with teenage angst while all the time Mike Joyce (or was it Andy Rourke? � I can�t remember now) created a rolling bass line on which the guitar and voice sailed upon. I was a devoted Smiths fan from then. I took to wearing granddad shirts untucked, and flowers in my back pocket. I longed for some National Health specs (I did eventually get some) and oscillated wildly at "What Difference Does it make". I looked a right climpy. Others thought so too. I was bullied and persecuted for my "faith". We (my buddies and me) were hounded by groups of punks (punks in the mid eighties? They just don�t know when to stop, probly all that smack has addled their minds) skinheads, and people of no noticeable musical faith (God knows why *they* bothered). I argued Morrissey's lyrics were ironic and funny, not miserable � oh those fools. What I�m trying to say was I suffered for their art. I was/am a devoted fan. And now, 20 years later I hear you youngsters talking about those Smiths songs, and how wonderful they were. Well you can�t have them. I suffered. I lived through it and they belong to me, and anyone else who lived through that musical era. Get your own music to suffer for. There, now go ahead and tell me to get lost cos music is for everyone etc etc. Paulo _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From maaike at xxx.org Mon Oct 13 13:29:58 2003 From: maaike at xxx.org (Maaike) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:29:58 +0200 Subject: Sinister: silly full moon glow References: <27F30FBE.07084507.022AA8DC@aol.com> Message-ID: <006401c39185$b75d5190$0f01a8c0@maaike> Hey- Did anyone say 'Popjourno'? Popjourno was a very fine mailinglist, but sadly it died. Hello Curtis, I do remember you! I just spent my best full moon night ever, on a beautiful, old sailingboat with 20 nice people. We spent fridaynight sailing the IJssel lake, it was wonderful; the light of the moon on the water, the lights on the coast, the stars... Some people had brought guitars, there was singing and drinking, just brilliant. The rest of the weekend was good, too (we sailed to the isle of Terschelling), but that moonlit night was the most special. I've decided I rather like DCW. It's maybe not their best ever, but I like it more than FYHCYWLAP and Storytelling. And Legal Man is not even my favourite song... Maaike +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kenneth.chu at xxx.org Mon Oct 13 15:05:19 2003 From: kenneth.chu at xxx.org (kenneth.chu at xxx.org) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:05:19 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Beer Alleviates Hatred Message-ID: Hello... Have you ever had that feeling that sometimes it's nice to have an old friend who you know is never going to change, no matter what happens? Someone you can depend on, almost take for granted. It's a bit like pitchforkmedia, how reassuringly they write reviews that brings a smile to my face, enlightening me in such a way that is rivalled only by the likes of say, the Duke of Edinburgh. > Ironically, with a new-found ability to rectify their once at-odds > musical interests, Belle & Sebastian have emerged as shiny happy people, > becoming that of which they were always falsely accused: t*ee I like the notion that being happy = t*ee as well, did they not know that t*eeness is an affectation? What Kate of C said in her email made sense to me somewhat (I could well have totally misunderstood though). I guess it's not quite as COOL to be a B&S fan anymore because if someone asks you what they're like you can't say something like "oh they make really good folky songs about being bullied in school and stuff man", now you have to like, say "oh they have some pretty good songs in quite a few different music styles and about lots of things". It's just not as CATCHY. Critics probably call this "losing direction". I dunno, though. As long as there are the songs still with the flowing melody and witty lyrics I'm happy, whether I know what they had for breakfast or not. If you want to be cool nowadays you better be a RED BULL DOZERS fan. Guarenteed to help you pull. The myth, the shambolic performances, the lack of exposure to the press, it's got the lot, wow. AND they do madonna covers. Adrian Evans said: > I have to say that there does seem to be a twee siege mentality going on > around here. I personally think DICKWARTS is fantastic ... The louder the > > better - can't wait for the first Iron Maiden cover version. That's one already - The Loneliness of the Middle Distance Runner http://www.lyricsxp.com/lyrics/t/the_loneliness_of_the_long_distance_runner_ iron_ma.html Paul Arathoon said: > Which got me thinking- whatever happened to the sinister village? > For those too young to remember it was a virtual village which featured > members of Sinister. It was probably crap... I just checked and the site's still there! http://home.swipnet.se/~w-63235/sinister/ Aw, back in the days. Look! It's even called itself "A Twee Community", it'd be frowned upon these days. Dictionary.com is fantastic, their Word of the Day on 28th Sept is "TITIVATE" haha > It's easy to laugh at a book in which the heroine's husband > says to her, "You look beautiful," and then adds, "So stop > titivating yourself." > --Joyce Cohen, review of To Be the Best, by Barbara Taylor > Bradford, [1]New York Times, July 31, 1988 If I ever get married that's what I'm gonna tell my wife. Or maybe "So start Titivating yourself". Finally, rrrobyn said: >> i don't have: >> a b&s ticket for toronto. c'est trop cher pour moi. triste stuff. >> a whole bunch of new albums that i'd really like to have. >> a boyfriend. Single sinister boys in Toronto with a spare B&S ticket and lots of record store vouchers, here's your chance! Ken P.S.: If you still haven't send in your tape for the SINISTER NAMESAKES MIXTAPE CHALLENGE, it's not too late! Especially if your name is robyn, or robin, or robert. THE RACHELS have already handing theirs in, you know. ********************************************************************** This email is confidential and intended solely for the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If this email was not intended for you please notify the UCLH Mail Administrator at mail.administrator at uclh.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From chrisperriman at xxx.uk Mon Oct 13 15:47:55 2003 From: chrisperriman at xxx.uk (Chris Perriman) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:47:55 +0100 Subject: Sinister: how long since i wrote a sinister subject line? Message-ID: <000d01c39198$fce74fa0$0a01a8c0@chrisy9n60i4ml> David Hewitt said: >They all seem to come back eventually anyway. If >you don't, you probably weren't ever really here. hi there sinister, long time no see its taken me about two years but i've returned. i've even bought the new album and i have to say i like it. it seems nasty to say that i'm glad its just struan (do we still call him that?) doing the songwriting, i like the others' songs but my idea of a proper B&S album is his voice singing his songs. how are you all doing then? i'm just great, my life has changed dramatically since you last saw me. i'm no longer unemployed and living with my parents, i'm studying towards an HND in newspaper design and infographics, i'm doing occational freelance design work and photography and i'm living in a lovely house in newcastle with some good friends. and i'm much happier. wasn't glastonbury hot? sorry i didn't find you mr carsmile but there was just so much to do, i was in the same field we camped in in 2002 but a little further down the hill. nice to see you all again, write soon, chris* +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From innerlemming at xxx.com Tue Oct 14 02:19:26 2003 From: innerlemming at xxx.com (laurel lemming) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: impressions and questions Message-ID: <20031014011926.28528.qmail@web41008.mail.yahoo.com> dear Sinister, now that I've had a week to keep DICKYWUSS on repeat, I've compiled a short list of things that I want to ask Sinister about. first I should say that I love the album. on first listen, I was kind of scared; I really didn't like it at all, and I didn't think the songs were going to become what all the other B+S songs are for me. but I think I've appropriated them into my B+S mind now. now, quickly, song by song: this isn't a review, it's a cry for help! Step Into My Office, Baby: lovely. fun. no questions here. Dear Catastrophe Waitress: on first listen, I thought it was rather weak for being the title track, and though I still think it's a bit of a stretch at times, it's grown on me. but not like IYFS or TWATTYBUS. If She Wants Me: fits nicely with We Rule The School, I think, thematically. Piazza, New York Catcher: classic B+S folky ballad. I like it better than Beyond The Sunrise, anyway. not that that takes much. anyone notice this, it sticks out to me: "...in the guise of *gentle* words/Come *wave* upon me" -- am I reading too much into this? see comment on I'm A Cuckoo as well. Asleep On A Sunbeam: one of my favorites on this album, if not my #1. you can sing This Is Just A Modern Rock Song to it, especially the solos in the instrumental parts. I'm A Cuckoo: ah, the first mention of prayers on the album. I'm not a fan. but the song is catchy. what do you make of the "lost a singer to her clothes" line? You Don't Send Me: is this an actual legitimate phrase, or a B+Sism? Wrapped Up in Books: every time I hear the first line, I think of String Bean Jean. which is not a bad thing. Lord Anthony: finally. I'm going to have to ask someone to translate "Bunking off though you're a toff" for me, though. maybe toff doesn't mean what I thought it did. If You Find Yourself Caught In Love: I love this song, except it makes me feel like I'm in church. the last verse saves it, though, I think. what's the line after "You've got to start somewhere?" Roy Walker: um. fun? Stay Loose: David Bowie crossed with Split Enz's "Dirty Creatures," I think. this took the longest for me to like. it doesn't sound like B+S. it's very strange to end an album with. overall, though, I like this album much better than both FISHYCLAP and Storytelling. it's a bit different, but it's more similar to previous albums than different from them. I like the order of the songs, particularly SIMOB and the LA/IYFYCIL transition. altogether, I'm incredibly pleased, and a little relieved. thanks and love, lem __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jordiet at xxx.com Tue Oct 14 11:35:23 2003 From: jordiet at xxx.com (Jordi Trenzano) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 03:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Hello kids Message-ID: <20031014103525.2419.h015.c000.wm@mail.nme.com.criticalpath.net> Hi hi: it's more than 5 years now since I first joined sinister. Needless to say that I wrote a lot of crap lines, written on my crappy english. That last feature still remains in some on my recent posts, you may even find some terrible writing mistakes. "Dear Catastrophe Rijkaard" "only" peaked at 21 on it's 1st week at the UK. So, that's a bit of a contradiction, even tough I heard that the sales at the Rough Trade shops don't count on the album charts for some reason that I don't remember quite well, and that i'd like to have someone to explain me. However, With all this talk of the band leaving the "indie" behaviour, now it looks like the comercial success is not as important as it was expected. So, ¿ what's the bad point ? I personally think the album reaches the levels of quality that I expected after "FYH", even with some bits of change that are still a bit hard for me to get used to them. However, we have songs and sense of humour. What else can we ask ? "Rhoda", maybe, but nothing more. Oh, and a EUROPEAN TOUR IN "CLOSED" VENUES ! There was a band called Camera Obscura that did that a while ago, and it was real fun. Someone claimed to have fallen in love with the catastrophic waitress. I have heard that the vinyl version of the album has some exclusive coloured pics of that same photo session. I have seen those pics and I can say that those spaghetti look quite yummy ;) A few public mentions to some sinisterites: to miss Nal Townley (who never writes here), mr. Matthew Henderson (he does write) and mademoiselle Karo Tremblay, who visited Spain and came to the Benicassim festival. Also to miss Annie Tremp, Rocio "la estrellita temblorosa y azul" Aton and that tall guy who owns JULE THE DOG (and is named Olivier), who I met in Belgium, witnessing yet another fascinating Tindersticks gig. My best wishes for you all ! Jordi (formerly known as Jordiet Sinistre) ______________________________________________________________ For up-to-the-minute music news, reviews and specials visit http://www.nme.com Get free e-mail (anyname at nme.com) now at http://www.nmemail.com The sender of this e-mail is NOT an employee or associate of NME, nme.com or any other IPC magazine. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Newphil1 at xxx.com Tue Oct 14 13:15:45 2003 From: Newphil1 at xxx.com (Newphil1 at xxx.com) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:15:45 EDT Subject: Sinister: DCW - What's up with the heathen purists!!!! Message-ID: I bought Purple Rain on DVD the other day for £5.99. Y'know the Prince movie? The thing is I can't stop watching it. I'm obsessed. The man is such a star - the moves, the tunes, the wailing guitar solos. And then there's Wendy & Lisa - in fact the whole of The Revolution rule. They make the Strokes look like the rich kid dullards that they really are. Anyhow I'll try not to bring up Prince again. Forgive me if I go astray. damn... I didn't get DCW until Friday. I'm stuck in the sticks with only a Woolworth's and they weren't stocking it. So it wasn't until I travelled to London to play a disastrous gig (oh! the horror!) that I could pick up a copy. Now having been a B&S fan since the first time I heard them (Lazy Line Painter Jane on The Chart Show if you're interested) and generally a little disappointed with the overall Fold Your Hands Child album (don't get me wrong - it's good album, there are some corkers on it - but also some clunkers) I wasn't really expecting a great album. Add to this my own Logan's Run style theory that bands should only release 4 studio albums within 4 - 7 years (ideally 5 years) and then split AND all the negativity about the album from the old school hardcore fans I was prepared to be disappointed. However, the albums great, Mad Murdoch's sleeve notes are even better. I've been mocked for years about my fear of going into specialist shops (music, art & craft, camera, dry cleaners, etc.) and now I know that Stuart UNDERSTANDS. Anyhow - the music. Personally I think Trevor Horn coming in as producer was a great move - after 3 years of treading water (although with often entertaining results) I think B&S sound more focussed than they have since '98. I know it's not a classic album but it's so vibrant. The arrangements are faultless, all the songs are at least 4 out of 5, vocally they've never sounded so good, stevie's guitar solos are rampant ...my god, what's up with all the haters? I know there's no Isobel (which hurts me a lot more than it probably hurts you), I know the album doesn't start with a hushed Murdoch epic like the others do but isn't progression the key to being a great band (the Beatles, the Beach Boys, Take That, etc.). Do we really want Stuart Murdoch to keep rewriting Fox In The Snow over and over again? I know DCW isn't as good as Tigermilk but what is? Tigermilk was a statement, a stand, a call to arms - you can't repeat a moment like that - especially once you've won. Tigermilk was Stuart Murdoch's Purple Rain... ...oh damn, Phil M. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From raskolnikoff_01 at xxx.com Tue Oct 14 15:14:59 2003 From: raskolnikoff_01 at xxx.com (Rask) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:14:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Girls that drop cups in cafes Message-ID: well sinister, I only just purchased the cd. I have had the album i would say close to a month, and been weighing it up and down, and some of you will remember I said i didn't like it very much and that it was overproduced yada yada. Got a bit of a public dressing down from Robin Stout.(he apologised though, what a nice fellow) But i have to say that when I took it out of its box, put it into cd player a kind of magic took over. I sat crossed legged on the floor and read Stuart 's liner notes, which were grate. (mailing his jacket back to his house is my favourite bit). It all made sense with the notes and it playing out my stereo, the sun shining in the window. A composite piece. There is a lesson here kids, mp3's are the tool of the devil. I download all my stuff at uni, on their ultra fast connection, but i have noticed something. The more twee or fay the music, the slower the connection the other side. If you set about downloading, say the new strokes album, good ole fashioned(almost) rawk, the users all have an upload speed of about 100, but the more twee the music the weaker the transmission speed. I had a bastard of a time getting camera obscura and Isobel's new album. Anyway, because i'm wanking about trying to get a user on soulseek that can give me the song at a good speed i want to be instantly blown away when I've finally procured the damn thing and play it on my headphones, and then of course they are all out of sequence. Its just not a nice experience. Even when i have it all loaded in the right order and playing away it just didn't do it for me. But the act of coming in and loading the disc and reading what stuart has to say made me warm to it more. I think music is instantly contextual, and if the context is looking over my shoulder to see if the network administrator has found out that I've hacked the websense filter then it changes the music too. Anyway long story short I am quite enjoying the record. ****Dear Catastrophe Waitress**** I was sitting in a café in once with a friend of mine, we had been playing chess and he had been beating me, I decided to blame my poor performance on the fact the café was getting very loud and busy. I was getting a bit sulky really because I don't like to lose. So I stared into space and he read a book, I think it was the unbearable lightness of being, and he was underlining my copy. It was one of these evenings that we were really just passing time and that is the only phrase for it. I hate that phrase to "pass time"; I mean what is one passing time till exactly? I know this sounds a bit trite, like pop psychology rhetoric, to make every moment count or something, but really it saddens me to pass time. That is also the best reason I can come up with when people ask me why I don't wear a watch. I like to give my affectations solid theoretical grounding, and with the eyes to heaven they nod as I explain. So the café was quite dark but it was the cosiest place we could find on a cold night. A girl in the corner had caught my eye from the very start of the evening. She looked really nervous, she was a waitress but she looked as though she were new. She was pretty, not overly so but her manner naïve enough to give her charm. I caught her eye a few times as she served the tables next to mine. I was looking at her when it happened; she dropped the entire tray of cups all over the floor in front of me and a look, this look of sheer annoyance, almost grief like in its contortions came over her face and she bit her lip beautifully. It seemed to over-compensate by far for the crime. She hissed a sorry to me for getting coffee on my chords but all I could do was sit there and think of this look. My friend turned to me and said exactly what was on my mind. "Did you see her face as she dropped the cups, wasn't it beautiful" . In my minds absence she had all but cleared up the mess but I decided to make a show of helping her clear it up. She smiled and awkwardly turned back towards the kitchen with her nervous walk. I must admit to passing time up until that point, but after that I basked in how sexy I thought this girl was and her nervous annoyance. You must understand that it wasn't an angry moment it was embarrassment it was vulnerability, it was perfect. Since then when I'm asked what kind of women I like I maintain that I like "girls that drop cups in cafes". It's the feeling that they are slightly inept at their jobs, my friend suggested. That perhaps they are inept because they do something else, perhaps artists or writers he continued. Perhaps this is the case, perhaps not, but since then I have noticed that she has many counterparts and partners in crime all over the world. An honourable mention is to the girl that used to serve me espresso everyday in a café at Place de la Sorbonne in Paris (she actually tipped my table over) , she used to brush her hair in the back before she came out to take my order I could see her face in the mirror. I was too shy with my French to ask for anything more than an espresso however. Richard (Rask) P.S "Bunking off though you're a toff" = playing truant even though your posh +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lekatzen at xxx.com Tue Oct 14 19:19:07 2003 From: lekatzen at xxx.com (Lesley Katzen) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Hello, I'm new, and being new is uncomfortable. Message-ID: <20031014181907.96064.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> Oh me, oh my. I had written this wonderful introduction email and it's gone all gone. Needless to say this one won't be quite as long, but eh, just don't feel it second time around. I'm Lesley, I have been "given a voice". I have just seen the trailer for the DVD, I got all teary eyed, no lie (though it may have something to do with what they refer to as pre-menstrual syndrome). I'm going to the Boston show again this year, too excited. When I had first met the man a bit more than a year and a half ago and we rambled on about Belle and Sebastian on the way home from dates stuck in the back of his 1986 Dodge 600, cigarettes constantly smoldering, a mass of bare appendages we thought the most wonderful thing at that time (besides our overwhelming sexual fervor for each other) was our love for the band. He was going to the show (last year) with a friend, I was going with a friend. Turns out his friend (very dramatic) was a 58 year old frontman of his band who was head over heels with him and would not acknowledge me. Turns out my friend Jenna and I had seats directly behind them, heartbreaking. All has been sorted out everybodies friends are friends and the child catcher has been instructed to "get over it"...which he seemingly has. This year I have 8th row. lucky me. Though I won't run into the late running Isobel and her silver cello case in the lobby I suspect...as she seems busy busy busy. Not in love with the new album, too crisp, overproduced. Waiting for a Stuart solo, a throw back to Sinister (the record). May wait forever. Keep having to reminding myself it's still the band, even if it isn't the greatest album. Anyhow hola! I'd love to make the picnic before the show this year, wondering what the plans are. ML, Lesley __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From duke at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 19:49:15 2003 From: duke at xxx.uk (duke of harringay) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 19:49:15 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Posh and Becks and Isobel Campbell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 14/10/03 15:14, "Rask" wrote: > P.S "Bunking off though you're a toff" = playing truant even though your > posh But let us stress that it doesn¹t mean playing truant even though you're Posh. No, no, and thrice no. Even though I bet she did bunk off when she was at school... Wonder if Becks used to skive an all? Maybe in a secret previous existence they met behind the bike sheds for a quick drag, snog and grope. Or not. And some have been talking about the absence of Isobel on the current album, and casting around for whether that's a good or a bad thing... Personally, I'd go for a thumbs up about her absence, particularly because for me she ruined that album about the folding of hands, but heh, maybe that's just me. And those Gentle Waves records were h-o-r-r-i-b-l-e. Oh yes they were. I wanted to boak when I heard them (shivers at the memory). Which of course is why when a copy of her new solo effort arrived (oddly enough in the same mail shot as the record about the waitress) it was treated with not a little distaste and disdain. Once again, I had a review all ready to go, and let me tell you it wasn¹t pretty. It was full of hate and bile and frothing madness... but then something astounding happened. The record turned out to be really rather splendid! And it still is... Like a rather fetching soft-pop album beamed in from the late '60s or early '70s, flouncing on memories of the incomparably exquisite Wendy and Bonnie. Yum. Okay, I need to go start planning my tape tree CD. It's gonna be a killer comp. The Duke www.tangents.co.uk the home of unpopular culture PO box 102 . Exeter . ex4 6yz . UK +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Hugo Johan <12813249 at xxx.za> Tue Oct 14 20:12:56 2003 From: Hugo Johan <12813249 at xxx.za> (Hugo Johan <12813249 at xxx.za>) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:12:56 +0200 Subject: Sinister: every day between 1 and 2 i want to be in the park with you Message-ID: hi there all mmh, isn't the weather lovely here? but then its spring... () actually wait (suddenly remembering i'm single) why's spring a good thing? it can be no accident that in my language loins ("lende") and spring ("lente") only differ by one letter... but that's not at all what i wanted to talk about. i've been meaning to write for ages, but just haven't got round to it, not that it matters, i think. besides, i've been waiting for the new album (but since we only got the STROKES album in stores at the beginning of THIS year, i'm really not holding my breath!) but the duke mentioned isobel, and i've been dying to find out, but no-one's mentioned it: is there still some cello around on DICKYWUSS? i've always loved the cello bits, and i'd hate it if they lost that part of their sound - as for the rest, well, sofar it all sounds good to me! the duke ALSO said the gentle waves albums were terrible... mmh, not sure i agree with that. a bit patchy maybe, but there were some GRATE tracks on both, and sometimes i even (almost, but never quite) fancied 'bel as a better lyricist than stuart. still, good to know her new album makes even the sceptics smile... ALSO that fount of neverending wisdom, the D.o.H. said he's going to prepare his list for the TAPE-TREE! hah! aren't you all sorry now you've missed the boat? i'm SOOOO(and almost OOO too) excited! stay well, stay loose love JohaN ps. there was a little paragraph in the local newspaper today describing trevor horn in glowing terms, in a review of the new seal album, which he has also (i almost wrote "almost"... mmh, very freudian, perhaps?) produced, all about him being able to "get things out of artists they themselves didn't even know they possessed" and the like. i was going to post it, but seem to have lost it somewhere... oh bugger it anyway. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From annamoorehiggins at xxx.com Tue Oct 14 23:01:43 2003 From: annamoorehiggins at xxx.com (Anna Higgins) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Les stars et les espoirs Message-ID: <20031014220143.63234.qmail@web21004.mail.yahoo.com> Glasgow Saved Me From My Own Ears, or: A Narrative of Musical Revelation and Redemption I�ve been working so hard plotting the Ultimate Mixtape for the tape tree that I figured it wouldn�t be such a huge leap to actually contribute to the list for once instead of lurking around and silently admiring you guys. I just moved from Chicago to Northern California to start an anthropology phd program, not too long after the Berkeley show. Since I found Belle and Sebastian in 2000, I have moved to a new town every summer, missing the B&S tour by one month or less each time. To this day I have never seen them perform. This is madly appropriate because of the way I first discovered the band. I was spending a semester abroad in Nottingham in winter 2000. My boyfriend, a sexy-librarian-in-training, was in Glasgow during the same time. I spent more time in Glasgow than Nottingham because I was besotted with him and besotted with the city. The sandstone, the gentle light, the ring of mountains around the city, the green moss on the old gray stones, was searingly beautiful. I couldn�t spend enough time walking the city, sitting in parks, riding the underground. Glasgow looked to me like a city had grown from the ground all at once of its own will like a plant, and if I kicked the dirt away would be revealed as one organism underneath it with roots and tubers and underground colonies of carnivorous sheep (no.. wait... that was an Alisdair Gray novel... ). On the walls of these tenements around the corner of Byres Road and Great Western, only a few blocks from my boyfriend�s dorm, there were posters showing twins bathed in a sickly yellow light, one wearing eyeliner, one not, holding a book. �Belle and Sebastian,� I thought, �Who�s that?� I was too busy riding the underground and sitting in parks and being in love to go to a record shop and find out. That had to wait until the following summer, after going home, when I was about to embark on a road trip in Northeast Georgia. Remembering the poster on Great Western Road, I picked up FYHCYWLAP in Atlanta and listened to it driving around in the Appalacians. It didn�t leave the cd player for a week. Over the next month I bought the rest, and was shocked to discover that FYHCYWLAP wasn't even their best. I had come to buying music late, and never really developed good taste. After Belle and Sebastian came in through my ears and rearranged my heart, I couldn't go on listening to the crap I used to like and had to go about developing some kind of musical aesthetic of my own that didn't involve . . . well, never mind. My cd collection was pretty ugly. The less said, the better. The new album is in the mail right now. For all I know it could already be in the mailbox. I�m a little frightened, and very excited. Hearing a new Belle and Sebastian album is like moving to a new town or making a new friend, I never know what to expect and I always keep a little shell of resistence around my heart at first in case it isn't as good as the rest. Anna PS Are there any sinisters in the South Bay--San Jose, Santa Cruz, Watsonville, etc? Just curious. I know there's a few in San Francisco. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hobart at xxx.uk Tue Oct 14 23:07:36 2003 From: hobart at xxx.uk (ian) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:07:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: three-oh! Message-ID: <006801c3929f$96f379a0$34a9193e@default> HAPPY 30TH BIRTHDAY JIM! jim taylor is 30 today. forgive the shout-out, its for a very special bloke. someone without whom i'd never have found you lot. because you have jim taylor and ailsa ross to blame for my presence around these parts. bowlie festival... all those years ago... one of them endeared themselves to me by appearing from nowhere on a sand dune in the middle of the night, mumbling incoherently about mailing lists and sharing wine (i think it might have been someone else sharing wine, on reflection, but i liked this person anyway). that was ailsa..... jim was the fellow who was kind, and friendly, and funny - who got my friend water when she was fainting at the front of the b&s gig (saved us from having to go to the back) and who danced and had a laugh with us after the gig was over. i decided any list with these people on it had to be worth joining. later on, jim was one of the people who made me feel most welcome at the first sinister picnic i attended, two friends (one the fainter, one the boyf) in tow, and a shy shuffle at my feet. thanks to him, i got to go to the first tigermilking and to meet loads more of you. and i doubt that i'd have done a lot of the things i've done with you guys since without such a good friend to make me feel braver about myself. i've met loads more of you since, and you're all lovely - but here's to the bloke who made it all possible. this isn't just motivated by gratitude, its motivated by friendship, and an admiration of someone who isn't prepared to be cynical or mean in the face of an uncaring world - and who is prepared to stand up for what he believes in (even though i don't always agree with him). i'll stop here, in case it sounds like i'm after him... (i'm not) (although a boy could do far worse) so.... you have jim and ailsa to blame, and i have them to thank. cos i'm still here, one of those problem middle kids, never quite old enough to be supercool, far too old to be a novelty... i think we need another bowlie, yknow. something to bring us all together. a period where there are lots of gigs happening in a short space of time, and lots of sinister-types concentrated together in one area - when we can plan lots of marvellous things to do. if only belle and sebastian were playing three dates in the same city on one weekend in the near future.... but that's another subject, for another mail. i'll finish with a HAPPY BIRTHDAY, and a promise that my next mail will be more for general consumption. hope it was good, jim xx ian +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From boyincorduroy at xxx.com Wed Oct 15 10:42:08 2003 From: boyincorduroy at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Mark=20Casarotto?=) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:42:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: When the ball hits the goal, it's not Cooper or Joe, it's Favata Message-ID: <20031015094208.14292.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com> The Duke of Harringay always manages to get the last word in. In digests, I mean. I believe the digest is still the unpopular method of receiving Sinister posts, and am starting to think it's because the Duke sets uneasy thoughts into the minds of its readers which then spurs them to go and start writing to Sinister themselves. Um, that's a good thing, actually. Yesterday I had to type the words "Vicar fantasy bestseller" into google (for professional reasons, you perverts) and lawks! I found exactly what I was after! Today, I shall be googling "buttplug powerdrill mayonnaise". For my mum. Christ on a bike, that Sinister Village site is a veritable Who's Who of Sinister celebrity 1999-style! Lesley Jo Miller! Starry Sarah! Nick "flamin'" Dastoor, for heavens sake! I notice I never signed up for anything. Perhaps I was afeared of the T word even then. I'm off to download some So Solid Crew. Sayonara, Mark xxx ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From josefk at xxx.nz Thu Oct 16 07:28:24 2003 From: josefk at xxx.nz (Lawrence Mikkelsen) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:28:24 +1300 Subject: Sinister: "Avert your eyes children, he may take on other forms." Message-ID: <000701c393ae$c921bd50$de65b4ca@lawrence815c72> OK, so it's been a while since I last posted ... probably six months since a pithy post asking for Melbourne listees to recommend record stores, which culminated in a trans-Tasman Sinist*r picnic on a lovely sunny day in early April. (Hi Amy, Helen, Jim and Neil ...) Before that ... well, jeeze, nothing since the end of 2001, IÕm sorry. OK, I'm rambling already, but this is Sinist*r, so I guess that's allowed. Besides, I need to ease into this, as one eases oneself into a hot bath. Slowly, gently, but purposefully. (And trying not to burn ones nads.) For those who fail to remember me, or joined since I went into exile, I'm Lawrence, from New Zealand, and I used to be pretty vocal on the list, back in 2000/2001. I would like to say that my rapid decline in posts over the last few years had something to do with exciting developments in my life. I did get married (where "I Could Be Dreaming" probably got it's first public airing on these fair shores thanks to a certain other listee, Scott Mannion) but really, I just never get to use the computer now 'cause Vanessa's (end result of above-mentioned marriage) is always on it writing essays and doing some sort of research or other. (sigh). I still read the posts, but ... well, as Morrissey said, "these things take time." Anyway ... it's nice to be back. What's even nicer, though, is for Belle & Sebastian to be back, and this, really, is what's given me the boot up the arse to post again. I should say that I loved "Fold Your Hands Child ..." and always get a bit annoyed when people slag it off. It's a great record, as were the two '01 singles. "Jonathan David" is still probably my most played B&S record ever, and never fails to rally me, no matter the state that I am in. However ... I was a bit disappointed with both "Storytelling" and "Fold Your Hands Child ..." in one respect, and that was the Stuart seemed to be taking more of a back seat in the band it's not that I don't like Stevie or Sarah or Isobel's songs, it's just that, for me at least, Stuart is the "x-factor" which makes the band so great, and it worried me that he was contributing fewer songs. But now I can shout from the rooftops STUART MURDOCH IS BACK! My God, and how ... >From the second I put the new album on on Monday, I was completely overwhelmed with just how amazing it sounded. The songs, the production, the lyrics É After only half a dozen listens I declare it to be my favourite B&S album of all time and I canÕt stop playing it. Something I found quite interesting was the quite overtly Christian/religious overtones of a lot of Stuart's lyrics. This has always been there to some extent in the past, but lines like "I know I need My Shepherd here tonight" are the most overt he's ever written. Does this interest anyone? 'Cause if it does, I'm think about writing a short article called "Belle & The Bible", which will reference all the Biblical allusions in B&S songs. If anyone is even remotely interested in this (either reading or helping out) email me off list. I think it's quite interesting, but can understand that, from 99% of listees, it's probably not that interesting at all É Anyway, nice to be back ... and "hi" everyone, Lawrence +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kenneth.chu at xxx.org Thu Oct 16 13:39:18 2003 From: kenneth.chu at xxx.org (kenneth.chu at xxx.org) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:39:18 +0100 Subject: Sinister: webbed up in boobs (new website info, new dvd info) Message-ID: Goodbye Strathclyde Passenger Transport, you will be missed. Hello naked lady, and hello fancy italic letters. Aw everything's new and changing, kind of exciting, kind of hard to take all at once. You can ask neil questions though on the new website - I haven't tried it yet in fear that my computer at work might start play words like "FUCK" "TWAT" "BUGGERED" etc. through the speakers. Ken ------------------ From: To: Subject: B & S Mailing List - NEW WEBSITE!!! Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:29:15 -0000 Hi guys, We have finally gone live with our new website which you can view at http://www.belleandsebastian.co.uk/home As with everything, there are still a few wee bits and bobs to be uploaded to the site, such as the photo galleries, video clips, extensive press archive and more concert info, but we'll get around to that really soon. In the meantime though, we hope you enjoy the new site! Cheers, Katrina @ Banchory. http://www.belleandsebastian.co.uk/home http://www.dearcatastrophewaitress.com To unsubscribe from this list send a blank email to list-off at banchory.net ------------- From: To: Subject: B & S Mailing List - Fans Only DVD news Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 18:03:02 -0000 Hi All, Just a quick message to let you know that Matador WILL be releasing the "Fans Only" DVD compilation for Region 1 DVD players in the autumn of 2003. Sorry we don't have a definite date for it yet. This is further to the news that Jeepster are releasing the Region 2 version for the UK and Europe on October 20th. Inertia Distribution in Australia will also release this version on the same date. Toshiba-EMI are releasing a Japanese version with Japanese subtitles on October 29th and Trama will release a Brazilian version with Portuguese subtitles before the end of year. That's it for now! Cheers, Katrina @ Banchory. http://www.dearcatastrophewaitress.com To unsubscribe from this list send a blank email to list-off at banchory.net ********************************************************************** This email is confidential and intended solely for the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If this email was not intended for you please notify the UCLH Mail Administrator at mail.administrator at uclh.org. This footnote confirms that the email and attachments contained no viruses when they left UCLH. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kenneth.chu at xxx.org Thu Oct 16 13:42:51 2003 From: kenneth.chu at xxx.org (kenneth.chu at xxx.org) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:42:51 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Stray Moose Message-ID: Chris_t_opher wrote something for www.comeswithasmile.com, and i thought it was www.comewithcarsmile.com i.e. some disturbing Stephen Hewitt inspired pornography website. ------------- Many of us thought that "STAY LOOSE" is like, Trevor Horn showing his Devils Horns. Well I just looked on the notes of the tracks of the DICKWANK mini website. Did you know? (From the www.dearcatastrophewaitress.com minisite) "Stay Loose The biggest studio creation, and, ironically, one which Trevor was hardly involved in. This was the only song which wasn't fully written before going into the studio. This was quite intentional, as we wanted a song Trevor could sink his teeth into. But Trevor didn't actually like the song. He did try a few things, but in the end, it was the band that saw it through. Tony Doogan mixed the song. - Mick" So there you go! Apparently Trevor had the most horn in hand in Step into my office baby, and no wonder - it's hornier than Mark C! eep you should see the video! Ken P.S. : London folks are you all going to Aislers Set and Lucksmiths and Comet Gain and Would be goods tonight? And How Does It Feel to be Loved on Friday? I am! P.P.S.: Glasgow folks are you all going to Aislers Set and Lucksmiths and Winchester Club on Friday? You should. P.P.P.S.: People from other cities are you going out to dance like a loon this weekend? Hope so. ********************************************************************** This email is confidential and intended solely for the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If this email was not intended for you please notify the UCLH Mail Administrator at mail.administrator at uclh.org. This footnote confirms that the email and attachments contained no viruses when they left UCLH. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From seanghowell at xxx.com Fri Oct 17 14:06:40 2003 From: seanghowell at xxx.com (Sean Howell) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:06:40 -0400 Subject: No subject Message-ID: good morning hils! jesus, I'm surprised that I made it home alive last night...I was so exhausted by the time I left. Carnivale was great though...especially the last episode, and the previews for this week's episode look amazing. I still haven't gotten to read the Brother Justin interview you sent me, I wanted to last night when I got home, but just needed to go straight to bed. I am totally not looking forward to working at the scuba store all day...Granted, I really need the money and all, but still, it's going to be so incredibly boring most likely. I'm sure it will end up being even more dead than the saturday's that I've been working. Enough bitching about that though...I'm getting paid to read Dune all day essentially, which when it comes down to it, isn't a very bad deal whatsoever, and should certainly help chase off boredom.. Haha, speaking of dune, I had weird, Dune themed dreams last night...I really don't remember exactly what any of the details were, but I'm pretty sure that you were involved somehow. So, how is your day going? Great I hope! Well, I need to take a shower now, so I should wrap this up. -Sean _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded its 2MB storage limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From seanghowell at xxx.com Fri Oct 17 14:16:06 2003 From: seanghowell at xxx.com (Sean Howell) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:16:06 -0400 Subject: Sinister: my dearest appologies Message-ID: dear sinister, I believe that I very well may just have accidentally sent a rather mundane and utterly non belle and sebastian related email to you that involved complaining about working in a SCUBA store, talk of reading Dune, and the "hbo original series, Carnivale." I didn't mean to clutter up your inbox or waste your time or anything like that, so please forgive me. But anyway, I checked out the new webpage, at Lisa's recommendation, and thought it was quite nice. I am enjoying the new album as well, and am really excited about hopefully being able to see the band in such a small space as the 9:30 club...that should be quite a treat indeed. Well, I must be on my way...there is SCUBA equipment that needs to be sold, SCUBA enthusiasts who need to be served, and I need to get back to my book. Ta, Sean _________________________________________________________________ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From innerlemming at xxx.com Sat Oct 18 02:37:14 2003 From: innerlemming at xxx.com (laurel lemming) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Chicago picnic ideas? Message-ID: <20031018013714.45062.qmail@web41014.mail.yahoo.com> dear Chicago Sinisters, please email me offlist so we can not invoke the wrath of the rest of the list if you would be interested in some "picnic antics," as Shanny Jean put it. I guess I'm becoming the picnic mummy, since no one else has stepped up. I'm thinking about either Pick Me Up Cafe near Belmont, where we had the picnic in May 2002, or Congress Pizzeria, which is on the same block as the Congress Theatre. Any directions on how to get to the Congress Theatre would also be appreciated, as I never take the Blue Line and I hear it's scary by where the Congress is. thanks and back to your regular Sinister programming (short stories, discussion of lyrics in infinite detail, list-crushing, and all the things that we love the list for), lem __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hobart at xxx.uk Sat Oct 18 10:23:25 2003 From: hobart at xxx.uk (ian) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:23:25 +0100 Subject: Sinister: i was feeling like a loser Message-ID: <004301c39559$7f4a2760$d6aa193e@default> you said, 'hey, you've still got me'. i cried, and then laughed hysterically. it wasn't the reaction you wanted. friday night: its a tired night, after a hard day. i wish this computer was private, and i could tell you everything that is in my head. there's a lot there, waiting to tumble out, and i'm scared that its all going to come falling out when i'm not expecting it. somewhere its too late to pull it all back. this e-mail will be random. again. i was going to start my post like this: dear sinister, why oh why oh why has a perfectly marvellous month's sinister reading been spoiled by the absolute absence of my favourite entertainment? i refer, of course, to the knob gag. i used to tune into sinister every day, secure in the knowledge that, at some point, somebody would say something rude about willies. for weeks now, there has been nothing. even the (usually reliable) mr. ken chu appears to be resting on his laurels. there was also an unacceptable absence of random swear-words in his most recent effort. this really isn't the sort of thing i've come to expect from your --- but i'm glad i didn't start my post like that. that is silly. and you probably wouldn't like it. i wouldn't send you that sort of crap. some of the following is true: a long, long time ago, i wrote a letter to belinda carlisle. i felt she'd misled me. after several years, and an absolute fortune in taxi fares, it had become abundantly apparent that there is not, actually, a place on earth called Heaven. she didn't reply for a while. i thought she was ignoring me, like luke perry did when i sent him all those plaster-casts of my knob (see... its not hard..) but it turns out she was just saving herself up. here's the reply. 'dear ian, i'm terribly sorry to have heard of your troubles. it is, i have to admit, perfectly true that there is not a place on earth called heaven (unpleasant clubs in london aside). the song i wrote was originally differently titled. after a very pleasant weekend on the south coast i composed a song called 'HOVE is a place on earth'. however, the record company decided it wasn't attention-grabbing enough and they changed my lyrics. this may seem like a terrible abuse, and constriction of artistic freedom, but it happens all the time. norman cook's song 'fatboy slim is cooking in devon' was radically re-worked by the company, who felt that a ditty detailing the joy of culinary pursuits to be indulged in in the town of paignton was somehow a little un-sexy. similarly, you may remember a band called daisy chainsaw from many years ago, who hit the charts with the oddly entitled 'love your money'. i can confirm that a 'k' was left out of the third word by an industry who felt that the world wasn't ready for upbeat pop songs about bestiality. i hope the enclosed gift makes up for some of the trouble you have been to'. with the letter, there's a book called 'great myths of rock and roll'. the first page is interesting - 'how yoko ono broke up the beatles'... i may share it with you later. anyway... other things. i was going to talk about the new album, but i see that's been covered. you don't need another mail extolling the virtues of 'stay loose' or detailing the horrors of 'roy walker' (please, stop him singing on albums... bring back isobel. all is forgiven. except 'family tree' - i'm with the duke of harringay on that one). let's just say that its a lovely surprise to find myself saying that i really, really like it. most of it. its unfortunate that two of the worst tracks are used as openers. untraditional, too. usually, you entice people in with the good stuff and then sock 'em with the crap once they're softened up. trust belle and sebastian to do it differently. that was a lot of not talking about the album, wasn't it? oh, i wish my head was in a better place. i wanted this to be witty, and to make sense. but it probably never will. some of you might be disappointed if i started making sense. some of you, i suppose, would be thoroughly relieved. a while ago, vanilla flavoured david talked about middle kids. i'm proud to join this group of sinisterines. i vote we talk about each other as much as the oldies do, look, like this.. 'a post by dimitra DAISY. isn't that SOMETHING? i thought she'd left the LIST' yeah, that'd be great. we could make badges 'i'm a middle kid. love me, or fuck off' something along those lines. waddya think? or...should we stop gazing at our navels and embrace the present? your decision.. blue fluff...always blue fluff... actually, there might be something to be said for vanishing into your own navel. it'd be very safe there. i asked you all to talk about wind-up nuns. you didn't. its a shame. there's lost potential there. rask did a lovely long e-mail where he said: when I'm asked what kind of women I like I maintain that I like "girls that drop cups in cafes". It's the feeling that they are slightly inept at their jobs, my friend suggested. That perhaps they are inept because they do something else, perhaps, though, they're just inept. i find it much easier to love something that isn't quite right, someone that's a little imperfect, shy, difficult - than someone who is superslick. i think that's why a lot of us are here, isn't it? once upon a time, b&s spoke up for that sort of person, more than anyone else. the smiths may have been witty and cruel, and clever, but they didn't drop cups in cafes. by contrast, its easy to imagine isobel stooping down and picking up the pieces of china. sometimes, i think that's what we've lost. 'lord anthony' might have been the last gasp... the b&s sound is still there on the album, but the fragility was beautiful too. saturday morning: things often feel better in the morning, although nothing has changed, except the sun. i think the point i was trying to make above is that belle and sebastian took that awkwardness and celebrated it. turned it into something almost heroic. these days they're still heroic, just not heroically awkward any more. ken talked about steven hewitt porn. try www.carsmilewithoutyou.co.uk and www.isthatacarsmileinyourpocketorareyoujustpleasedto no, that's rubbish. let's have a COMPETITION! who can come up with the best title for such a page? i've got the photos, if you need 'em * lawrence talked about an article detailing b&s references in the bible, and thinking we wouldn't be interested. actually, speaking purely for myself, that's exactly the sort of b&s-anorak thing i'd enjoy reading. put it down to being a librarian. speaking of which, where IS archel playforth these days? so..with that in mind - i won't be plugging friends of the heroes here again, but i think some of you may enjoy the b&s issue. here's a link to a typically anoraky piece by johan - a who's who of the songs, which made me giggle: http://www.friendsoftheheroes.co.uk/archive/issue51.html#2 like i said, i won't be doing that again, but that article is the sort of thing that cries out to be read by B&S saddos err...that is devotees.. like ourselves. anyway, just this once, i think its acceptable to link to a b&s article on a b&s list. i wanted to tell you about other things, but i can't remember what they were, so with that in mind, i'll just finish with an article from the book i'm now reading great rock n roll myths #1 - yoko ono broke up the beatles. it was a rainy night in the late 60s, a little while before the split happened for real. john and yoko were relaxing in bed, as they rather enjoyed doing. paul was composing a ditty downstairs ("'tum tum te tum' or 'tum te tum ta'?"). george was meditating with ravi 0shankar in the bath tub. ringo was eating wagon wheels and playing with his train set. it had been a hard day in practice. none of them were really on speaking terms, and yoko's presence hadn't helped. it wasn't that they resented her creative input, it was that she kept pinching things from the studio. the beatles, ahead of their time, were very into recycling. they had saved up all their milk bottles, and put them in a pile by the door, ready to take to presto the next morning. yoko, being an anarchist-troublemaker, decided they would look better for her art installation. after a day or so of tensions over the disappearing items, the beatles had refused to practice any more and had gone their separate ways. yoko, meanwhile had continued to work on her art. her new piece 'mother's milk' would be a feature at a posh new york gallery, as soon as she'd finished it. it would feature 100 bottles, many of them smashed, some of them containing unpleasant substances. the critics would either love it, or dismiss it, depending on who they were being paid by. it was paul who discovered the consequences of yoko's crime. john and yoko were singing to each other about paper bags. george was sitting in the sink with the buddha. ringo was eating bananas and stroking his beard when, suddenly, a scream echoed around the house... 'oh no, i don't BELIEVE it. YOKO ONO BROKE UP THE BOTTLES!' and it stuck. to this day, everyone blames yoko. including paul, who never quite got over the environmental consequences of her actions. next, chapter #2. marianne faithfull and her ma's bar. well, don't you live and learn, eh? probably not. i'm too old to be spouting such shit, but still i spout it. i'm a middle kid, love me or fuck off. i don't really mean that. its just a slogan. i'll go back to my melted toblerone xx ian +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hobart at xxx.uk Sat Oct 18 10:30:59 2003 From: hobart at xxx.uk (ian) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:30:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: i was feeling like a loser Message-ID: <005401c3955a$8d47e400$d6aa193e@default> ian...learn to proof-read.. who is ravi 0shankar? ravi's irish cousin perhaps... famous for his series of 'sitar jigs'. mine's a pint of guinness, with a twist of nirvana, barman. not the band. not any more. and the pixies were better, anyway. also, i didn't mention what i put the * after the carsmile-libel for. i guess i'll just leave you to wonder. or, more likely, to forget it. xx ian >great rock n roll myths #1 - yoko ono broke up the beatles. > > >it was a rainy night in the late 60s, a little while before the split >happened for real. john and yoko were relaxing in bed, as they rather >enjoyed doing. paul was composing a ditty downstairs ("'tum tum te tum' or >'tum te tum ta'?"). george was meditating with ravi 0shankar in the bath >tub. ringo was eating wagon wheels and playing with his train set. > >it had been a hard day in practice. none of them were really on speaking >terms, and yoko's presence hadn't helped. it wasn't that they resented her >creative input, it was that she kept pinching things from the studio. >the beatles, ahead of their time, were very into recycling. they had saved >up all their milk bottles, and put them in a pile by the door, ready to take >to presto the next morning. yoko, being an anarchist-troublemaker, decided >they would look better for her art installation. > >after a day or so of tensions over the disappearing items, the beatles had >refused to practice any more and had gone their separate ways. yoko, >meanwhile had continued to work on her art. her new piece 'mother's milk' >would be a feature at a posh new york gallery, as soon as she'd finished it. >it would feature 100 bottles, many of them smashed, some of them containing >unpleasant substances. the critics would either love it, or dismiss it, >depending on who they were being paid by. > >it was paul who discovered the consequences of yoko's crime. john and yoko >were singing to each other about paper bags. george was sitting in the sink >with the buddha. ringo was eating bananas and stroking his beard when, >suddenly, a scream echoed around the house... > >'oh no, i don't BELIEVE it. YOKO ONO BROKE UP THE BOTTLES!' > >and it stuck. > >to this day, everyone blames yoko. including paul, who never quite got over >the environmental consequences of her actions. > > > >next, chapter #2. marianne faithfull and her ma's bar. > > > > >well, don't you live and learn, eh? > >probably not. > >i'm too old to be spouting such shit, but still i spout it. >i'm a middle kid, love me or fuck off. > >i don't really mean that. >its just a slogan. > > >i'll go back to my melted toblerone > > >xx >ian > >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister > +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ > +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ > +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ > +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ > +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ > +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From peetsketch at xxx.com Sat Oct 18 16:01:09 2003 From: peetsketch at xxx.com (steve peet) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 15:01:09 +0000 Subject: Sinister: It's good, but it's not right Message-ID: Hey guys It's been a while since my last post... a LONG while, but I've just been hiding... New album and all that, so thought it was about time I emerged from the lurkness for a brief moment. My first impression wasn't that great to be honest, it feels like the soundtrack to some bizarre musical, where the main gist of the story is about people being bullied at school or the office and coming home to watch Catchphrase (it is that Roy Walker right?) but I'm reserving judgement for now, hopefully it will grow on me. Looking forward to geting my mits on this 'Fans Only' DVD, guess I'll have to buy a telly and a DVD player though... they should have some king of fund for technologically challenged fans. Maybe I can get my laptop upgraded? Many thanks to those of you of a London persuasion whom I bumped in to the other night at the Aislers Set et al gig - so nice to see you all again. Despite having moved away I was so touched that I will endevour to keep in touch more often now. Great gig by the way... it made me sooo happy, (ask Mark C!) I still feel kind of floaty... Right, mother's back from her cross-stitch class in a minute so I'd better brew up (I did offer to buy her a motorbike in the hope that she's spend her retirement a bit more rebelliously, but to no avail). Bye for now PeetsketchSteve (some bloke in a (now different) cardigan) _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From blind_lisa at xxx.com Sat Oct 18 21:03:46 2003 From: blind_lisa at xxx.com (Rachel fruitloop-Apps) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: I was CHU, KEN on a (RACHEL) CORNFLAKE... Message-ID: <20031018200346.50969.qmail@web60004.mail.yahoo.com> "...You said have some (ARCHEL) TOAST instead." har har! Hiya Sinister! I think Stuart is singing about Ken getting it on with all the Sinister Rachels in "Stay Loose"... (or maybe that's just my secret fantasy...) I'm really excited that there is so much talk about DICKWANK, so I thought I'd add my own 2 CENTS. (Yes, Bapps, I still have 2P!) Ian Watson said: "The fact that, as Senor Chu pointed out at our recent coffee morning, it's actually a nod to Thin Lizzy's cover of "Whiskey In The Jar", which goes "I'll have a whiskey in the jar-o" makes it even better. Do you see? How many levels? It's working on? That's right: two." It's actually 3 levels if you count a feature that my beloved Benjamin pointed out, that the song is called "I'm A Cuckoo" and cuckoo birds are known for stealing parts of other birds' nests and making them their own. Much like B&S nicked bits from Thin Lizzy for this tribute. Clever! Also, I am excited because Stuart talks about his brilliant photographer friend in Boston named Marissa in the liner notes of DICKWANK, and I got to meet her at the show in LA in September. She is the girl in new B&S photos with the towel around her head, reading. Very cute and so nice! love, RAPPS (RACHEL FRUITLOOP-APPS) P.S. Brier said short posts are the new long posts. I think he's on to something. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jlhill81 at xxx.com Sun Oct 19 01:53:27 2003 From: jlhill81 at xxx.com (Joanne Hill) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:53:27 +0100 Subject: Sinister: as a hobby it's sad Message-ID: Hello Sinister lovelies, Recently I've been thinking about my place in Sinister, why I'm here, what my relevancy is to the list and what it means to me, whether I'm valid here or should I even be here. I joined - coming to up 12 months ago - because I was feeling a little isolated where I was, because I was enjoying the novelty of 24 hr net access for the first time, and cause it seemed like a cool thing, this Belle and Seb community. But recently I'd been thinking about how much of a B&S fan I am/was, when I joined up. I thought, why should I be here? I don't know nearly as much about B&S, or love them as much, as many other people. With all this talk of middle kids and old people, I still felt new, like i'd just joined. A bit scared, like. I only got IYFS this year. (Yes, slapped wrist) But, for the first time, I bought a B&S CD brand new on the day it came out. I unwrapped it and listened to it on the bus from Coventry to uni, a bumpy journey trying to read the sleeve notes and giving up cos I was too engrossed in the songs. I'm still getting used to it. I won't talk about what i think of it - I think my opinion has been coloured by reading too much on Sinister and Bowlie about what others think. And I've been able, in lumping the two together, to think that there is something of meaning added to me and my life by being involved in these things - away from the computer feeling a sense of detachment but also of belonging, something great that I know about that people I meet, don't. I'm not entirely sure what it is I'm trying to say. B&S have been a constant *thing* when nothing else has seemed constant. On Thursday i went to the Colloseum in Coventry, Offbeat night, I was DJing, but before that I was sat talking to some Offbeat people about B&S, having a discussion of the new album, Sarah and Isobel and their songs on the albums. And it struck me that I *do* know a lot about the band - yes much of it I've learnt from being here the last year, but if this is a band that i know and am willing to learn about, I must be some sort of fan, and must have some sort of claim to being here. I played LLPJ that night. People danced. I sang and later lost my voice cos I had fresher's flu. I found that the best time to read posts is 2am, they just seem to have much more of a life affirming, poetic feel to them then. I can go - yes. Especially this last week. I can't name names...I've kept some of them....whoever has posted this week knows who they are. This isn't meant to be some sort of, 'Sinister, you're great!' post. Just a, this is what I've been thinking about lately. Last month I went to Sheffield Offbeat, and met some cute little Sinisterettes. I hope they are doing well wherever they are. The train thru the Peaks was lovely and well worth the many changes. It's almost one whole tunnel all the way from Dore to Stockport. Then a quick glimpse of a hill, dark brown and craggy, all shiny and untouched, sweeping by. Anyway that was then, and now I'm in Warwick again, I have a view of trees from my window, and crisp dry fallen leaves. Sorry I cant be more poetic and life affirming myself, Joanne While I wrote this I listened to: Low 'Trust' and Yeah Yeah Yeah 'Maps' _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From staralful at xxx.com Sun Oct 19 09:29:43 2003 From: staralful at xxx.com (Jonathan Skinner) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 09:29:43 +0100 Subject: Sinister: she's a simple person not as young as she looks , but whoever is in this day and age Message-ID: Salve my dear anti-dextra hope all is well in the lives etc etc of you all. First a favour then back to meanderings of the little mind of me. myself and another sinister are heading to London on December 3rd for the gig of the b+s ( a bit of a mad trip involving flights of only 1 great european cent, from Cork , getting to london about 11 and leaving the next morning on the 0730) My favour is quite a simple one really. Where the hell is the astoria? is it the centre of the universe? does the whole tube system revolve around it? well any information would be greatly appretiated as i don't want to spend my one day (23 hours really) wandering around trying to find it. our theory is after gig if there isn't any club nights or whatever is to go around and do all the major sights AT NIGHT seeing as i have never seen them in the day i think it would be a nice introduction. Another administrative issue. It has been drawn to my attention that someone is heading over to our emerald shores for a little "vacation" so i propose a meetup of the irish sinister massive. i think there is about 8 of us now but i reckon with a bit of forward planning it could be accomplished for it to take place in neutral country (galway perhaps) ( neither dublin nor the peoples republic) failing that we could just drink ourselves silly in Keoghs'. suggestions anyone? so i finally got the new album and i must say it is growing on me. it isn't one of these albums that grabs you and you can't not listen to it. rather i am seeing beauty in many of the songs ( except that bloody roy walker). I think aside from the obvious track that doesn't need to be named wrapped up in books is a great song and the title track is rather good as well. Uni so far is great , i just hate the whole student society malarky. i am just there to learn not to drink myself stupid with people i don't know ( i managed to do that quite well on friday afternoon with people that i did know then went on to spend money i didn't have at a record fair held upstairs. a bit of a mistake i think to put drink and records in the same building , my two great loves together at last. right i am off to practice my affectations ta ta jnthn +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From david_moore at xxx.uk Sun Oct 19 19:52:36 2003 From: david_moore at xxx.uk (David Moore) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:52:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Re: she's a simple person not as young as she looks , but whoever is in this day and age Message-ID: <000301c39672$2c489be0$2123353e@oemcomputer> Hi All, I know that Sinister abhors short posts, so sorry, but for Mr Skinner: Try here http://www.irlondon.co.uk/venueguide/detail.php?venueid=12&skin=g_txt for details of the Astoria. There's a link to a map too. Love, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hodottir at xxx.com Mon Oct 20 13:30:25 2003 From: hodottir at xxx.com (The Hodottir) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:30:25 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Band informatioooon, wrapped up in texts. Message-ID: 'Morning Sinisters I thought I'd sent this email on Friday, but it hasn't shown so I guess something went wrong... I hope this email doesn't read like it's the second time I've written it. I think I started out by saying that I seem to living in a Belle and Sebastian world at the moment - everywhere I turn there is another reference. And no, I don't care a jot! They *do* deserve it. I'll go so far as to say I think DCW is the strongest album yet, and I don't know how I lived without Stuart's marvellous vocal twists and key changes in stonkers like 'If she wants me', If you find yourself...' and 'Stay loose' - it's like he's reborn! On that note, I'd like to transcribe a text message exchange I had recently with my friend Dave, who lives in Glasgow. It all began with the usual 'how r u?' and 'can't w8 2 see you @ xmas' stuff, then this: Dave: guess who was in my kitchen drinking tea? Stuart Murdoch from Belle and Sebastian Me: What?! Really? how? HOW?! Dave: and he invited me out to a posh italian restaurant. had to decline of course, football was on the telly but told him another time Me: You did WHAT? Are you MAD? Dave: Nah, [name withheld to protect the innocant] my flatmate from brittany is translating a song into french for him and I reckon he's trying to get into her pants Me: [faint] So there you have it. A new, french B&S song? Our Stuart in alleged tea-drinking/chat-up scenario? Dave (the Rave - as he's known) in I'd-rather-watch-the-footie shock?! I call him a fool for declining the kind offer of dinner, but I'm not surprised: he really does love the 'Gers. Last time I tried to post this, I also added a bit about 'Piazza, New York Catcher' possibly containing references to John Fowles' 'The Collector' (I will be your Ferdinand and you may wayward girl etc), but I'm not quite as sure about that as before. Anyone have any better ideas? 'Fans only' comes out today and I *still* don't have a DVD player - argh! See you in Richer Sounds Lorraine x _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kenneth.chu at xxx.org Mon Oct 20 13:57:02 2003 From: kenneth.chu at xxx.org (kenneth.chu at xxx.org) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:57:02 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I'm A. Tautou Message-ID: FUCK TWAT NOB PRICK CUNT BASTARD TOSSER DICK WANK There you go ian. Hi Sinisters, I am a bit offended that Ian never read my posts properly, I swore in capital letters, with three consecutive swear words in one of my last emails, and talked about naked ladies, but he never read them. So I put something on the very first line of this email maybe he'll read it this time. And 3 of those swearwords means willy and three other words are users or applications of a willy, whereas the remaining three words are possible recipients or possible result of one of the aforementioned applications of a willy. So Ian I hope you are happy. Being such an stupendous wordsmith, I've also managed to fit to the end of that top line the words "DICK WANK", which as you know is the acronym of the new B+S album "Dear Incredible Catastrophe Killing Waitress And Nob Kickage", as I was going to tell you my excitement of buying this album today, a week or so late, and also my excitement of purchasing the B+S DVD - "Fans Only" (FO for short pronounced "FUCK OFF") at the same time. Finally, I will have a use for the Playstation 2 that I have purchased, for it can be used to play DVDs, and I'm buying a DVD later. I am expecting the DVD to be fully interactive, and for it to include a PS2 compatible game that is in a similar style of "Grand Theft Auto" (GTA pronounced "Grab That Arse") involving Stuart Murdoch stealing Ford Granada Mark Is from the streets of Glasgow, and using it to pick up indie girls to a park for a quick romp in exchange for an original Tigermilk LP, then killing them afterwards so that he can get his LP back, which he will use to lure another girl into intercourse (otherwise he'd only ever get a maximum 500 shags). Anyway, a person who digresses I be. I am very looking forward to this DVD, with or without a PS2 game, and even if it is to be without a KARAOKE MODE. Mmm although B+S Karaoke that would kick ass. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From gassan at xxx.edu Mon Oct 20 14:57:46 2003 From: gassan at xxx.edu (gassan at xxx.edu) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:57:46 -0400 Subject: Sinister: "Piazza" literary references Message-ID: <1066658266.3f93e9da2f1bb@mail-www4.oit.umass.edu> Quoting The Hodottir : > Last time I tried to post this, I also added a bit about 'Piazza, New York > Catcher' possibly containing references to John Fowles' 'The Collector' (I > will be your Ferdinand and you may wayward girl etc), but I'm not quite as > sure about that as before. Anyone have any better ideas? Hi - I think you're right about this. Take a look at, for example, http://www.greenmanreview.com/book/book_fowles_collector.html: "The title character is Frederick, a butterfly collector (who prefers to be called Ferdinand), who decides to "collect" the long-admired-from-a-distance object of his fantasy, an art student named Miranda. Frederick keeps Miranda prisoner in a room in his secluded basement. All he wants is for Miranda to love him and, other than keeping her prisoner, he treats her like a queen, fulfilling her every need or want. This is where The Collector succeeds best, in making Frederick not a monster, but a pitiful, lonely man in need of love and willing to give Miranda everything except her freedom." So when you see Stuart's lyrics for "Piazza," "How many nights of talking in hotel rooms..." you can see a parallel, the singer asking for his own captive. I think it's a parallel that holds up pretty well. By the way, I'm crap at finding these references; I'm suitably impressed that Ms. Hodottir did. (However, in looking at the last line, I can tell you that "Lewis and the litany of grace" is yet another! Christian reference, this to C.S. Lewis' book _Mere Christianity_, which is perhaps the best of his inspirational literature; as for myself, though, I'm a godless humanist who doesn't believe a word of it.) cheers, Richard. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From competitionsmile at xxx.com Mon Oct 20 19:31:45 2003 From: competitionsmile at xxx.com (Christine Irene) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: an interview with the belle's Message-ID: <20031020183145.53787.qmail@web40603.mail.yahoo.com> from dirty vicar's favourite publication... http://www.unison.ie/entertainment/stories.php3?ca=61&si=1059871 i'll also cut and paste it for ease of enjoyment... "Ow! Ya bastard!" yells Belle & Sebastian's Stuart Murdoch. The singer leaps up, swats whatever bit him, and grinds it with a heavy heel. Murdoch might front one of indie's most lovably fey bands, but with aggressive beetles, he takes no prisoners. Murdoch is skinny, 34, and newly blond. We're chatting in Prospect Park, Brooklyn, the venue for a Belle & Sebastian gig that night. Some 8,000 locals are expected, all sweet on the (mostly) retro-pop mini-symphonies that are this Glaswegian band's forte. Earlier the group hosted an unusual press junket at Shea Stadium in New York, doing interviews during a New York Mets vs Colorado Rockies baseball game. The novel approach to promo worked well. "It was very relaxed and there was plenty of time for a beer and a chat," he says. "Baseball's a game that comes in waves." As Belle & Sebastian gear up for the release of their fifth album, Dear Catastrophe Waitress, all this suggests a change of tack. Until now, they have conducted media relations with caution. When 1999's The Boy with the Arab Strap scored them a Brit for best newcomer, only two of the band bothered to attend the ceremony. Their reticence, and coy, Super 8-shot videos, have at times been seen as pretentious. Butchange is afoot. The keyboard player, Chris Geddes, concedes that signing to Rough Trade was partly contingent on playing ball with those pesky journos. "We're like any group; we want people to hear our records. We've had a really good reaction to the album, and with Trevor producing we want to give it a decent push." Ah yes, Trevor. As in Horn. As in the erstwhile Buggles member and ongoing studio boffin best known for his slick hit-making with Frankie Goes To Hollywood, and, more recently, Tatu. How did that come about? "We played the Coachella Festival in California last year," says Murdoch. "The lady who cleaned our caravan told us she worked for Trevor, and his daughter was a fan of ours. Trevor got in touch, so we arranged a meeting out of curiosity. We all really liked him, and thought, 'Why not?'" Anyone worried that Horn might have supplanted Belle & Sebastian's strings and reverb-drenched guitars with sequencers can relax. His sonic approach on Dear Catastrophe Waitress is very much simpatico, and this, combined with a leap forward in the band's own writing and arranging skills, has resulted in what is arguably their best album to date. Asked what events influenced his writing, Murdoch simply says: "A break-up is always fertile ground for a songwriter." When I ask him to unpack the lyric of "Wrapped Up in Books", he laughs and says it's about "committing adultery of the mind". Surely that's harmless? "You would think so, but it can also be the beginning of the end." It's difficult to know what to read into that remark, but a song that definitely references Murdoch's split is "I'm a Cuckoo". An ace pop number he wrote on piano, "Cuckoo" was translated into a brass and twin-lead-guitars arrangement. Any machismo has been cleverly sieved from the Thin Lizzy-esque tropes within "Cuckoo", but it's still a shock to find Belle & Sebastian tipping the hat to Phil Lynott's hedonistic rockers. What gives? "It can't be ignored that if you're in this business you're basically trying to sustain your childhood for as long as possible," says Murdoch. "A big part of my childhood involved listening to Thin Lizzy. Phil Lynott was certainly one of my heroes. I liked those cheeky wee winks he used to do." The Prospect Park gig is a triumph. Belle & Sebastian are infinitely better than the shambling outfit I saw back in 1999. At the end of "The Boy with the Arab Strap" there's a telling moment. Murdoch says that, as there are children in the audience, he doesn't want to sing the graphic last verse. As the crowd cheer, he lowers his eyes. It seems that part of him still wants to be The Catcher in the Rye. 'Dear Catastrophe Waitress' is out on Rough Trade on Monday ~stine __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pjmiller at xxx.es Tue Oct 21 09:26:54 2003 From: pjmiller at xxx.es (Peter Miller) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:26:54 +0200 Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington Place Message-ID: <001301c397ad$3efb5160$c59400d5@oemcomputer> I disagree with Robin and Stuart about lyrics being the most important thing in rock music. It's riffs that really count. And so it shall remain, until deaf us do part. That's why I like my 4 LPs on one MD Neil Young minidisc so much, especially when the riffs are accompanied by machine gun noises. It's also why I like my Led Zep DVD. I wonder whether the new B&S DVD will be as good as the Led Zep one? I'm not sure about that title, 'Fans Only'. Surely it would have been better to call it 'Real Fans Only', or perhaps 'Real Fans (a Pathetic Term) Only'. Doesn't Isobel look gorgeous as a drawing? I might get my crayon out and have a go myself. I have heard the new record, but I haven't got much to add to the lively debate. At times the orchestration's debt to the closing bars of Stravinsky's 'Le oiseau de feu' is a both liberating and overpowering for this listener, and the attempt to emulate the theme from the BBC's 'Top Gear' motoring programme at the beginning of 'I'm a Cuckoo' is a huge adrenaline rush. I can see the similarity between 'Stay Loose' and The Squeeze and Denim, but I don't think that's quite right. It reminds me of something else, but I can't put my finger on it. I think it might be something on Stiff Records. Was Ian Dury on Stiff Records? Does it sound a bit like Ian Dury? 'DCW' reminds me of New Order's 'Blue Monday'. The lyrics seem to be littered with references to heroin. 'Wrapped Up In Books' contains the line, 'You should never split a pole', which obviously means, 'you should never share a needle', a nod to the infamous 'shooting galleries' of Glasgow, where Stuart Murdoch spent the mid-eighties. 'I will say a prayer, just while you are sitting there' - nodding out. 'Our apsirations are wrapped up in books' - hunt the stash (we all know Murdoch loves a treasure hunt). Peter +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lost_madflowr at xxx.com Tue Oct 21 15:51:42 2003 From: lost_madflowr at xxx.com (leigh madflowr) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:51:42 +0000 Subject: Sinister: OT - Chicago Sinisterites? Message-ID: howdy kids, well, i just read a post about a picnic before the show and undoubtedly, i will be in attendance. however, this post is not picnic related, nor b&s related really. i tried to post this the other day, but i think hotmail ate it. erk. anyhow, i'm leigh. i'm 24. i moved to chicago 2 weeks ago from the dc area (alexandria, va specifically). i'm still getting settled in wicker park. i'm looking to meet fellow pop kids in CHI. if yr good at showing new kids around town or have a job lead; or both, please get in touch. i'm on LJ (madflowr) and my contact info is there too. lala, leigh ps. sean graham, i want my $6 ++ music. boys. heartbreak. music. [ i n t h a t o r d e r ] http://madflowr.livejournal.com _________________________________________________________________ Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From charismarisa at xxx.ca Tue Oct 21 20:46:50 2003 From: charismarisa at xxx.ca (marisa stroud) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: you don't thrill me Message-ID: <20031021194650.7003.qmail@web60002.mail.yahoo.com> So I finally figured it out. Today in Glasgow it was raining. Not a lot of rain, but enough so you'd know it was a rainy day. Also, it was cold. Not too cold, but cold enough so you'd get roses in your cheeks. I wanted to go home and curl up with a mug of tea and a book. I wanted to sit beside the window and look up at the grey sky and be glad I was inside. This is what I wanted. I wanted autumn. I wanted cold weather and Scotland and grey days. I really did. And I've been wanting it for awhile now. I was looking forward to bad weather and warm sweaters. I was looking forward to homemade soup and cuddling together for warmth. But no! This summer there was a heat wave! This autumn it has barely rained at all! And it has all felt very, very wrong. Ever since I first heard the DICKWANK tracks, I've had an uneasy feeling in the pit of my stomach. I've been trying to figure out what was wrong. I tried to think of some reasons why I just didn't dig it as much as I wanted to: "There are too many songs about love." There are always many songs about love on b&s records. "There aren't enough characters." There are plenty of characters, good ones too. Miss Private and Ferdinand, the Catastrophe Waitress, and Lord Anthony, to name four solid candidates. "There isn't enough to dance around the room to." Will not dignify with response. I like my little red dress. But you know what it is? It's the wrong damn season for this album. Yes. Look at it and you will see. There isn't anything nice and wintery like 'Fox In The Snow' or 'Winter Wooskie'. 'Chalet Lines' is all kinds of February. I want to put on comfy pants and potter lazily around the flat, and DICKWANK just ain't helping me set the mood. This is a late-spring album, when you're sick to death of crappy cold weather and you're really looking forward to getting your summer groove back. It's not a Thrills-y 'Summer Album', but it has hope. Captial-H Hope. But this is not the time for Hope, says I. 'Tis the season for Socks! And Cocoa! Boo, Northern Hemisphere! You are the wrong season for the new album! Boo indeed. To all the folkage of the Southern persuasion: Congratulations. To myself: Go listen to 'Underachievers, Please Try Harder'. Done and done. marisa. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stoutrobin at xxx.com Wed Oct 22 17:05:07 2003 From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:05:07 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Ich bin glücklich. Du bist dick. Message-ID: Hullo, Uff, I'm ill. I've a red nose and trembling fingers. I spent the whole day indoors eating soup, and even doing that with difficulty on account of my shuddering hands and my three jumpers. *sniff* Anyway.. at the weekend I was in GLASGOW!! where I saw YOU!! and YOU!! and, oh yes, YOU!! It was ace. The Aislers Set/Lucksmiths gig was one of the best of my whole life. The Aislers are such an amazing live band. And, oh, there was dancing, and lots of lovely people. Yes, it was tremendous. Big props to the Winchester Club. I spent most of my time with dashing Patrick, delectable Lucy and dishy Nal, all of this parish, and met various other people you might know as well, and no doubt ignored a fair few more. On Friday I was in Glasgow by myself and spent most of my time stalking strangers just to see where they would go, a sport that's even more fun than it sounds. I followed one of them all the way on and off the underground and ended up getting completely lost. I ended up in a library where lots of old people were stalking around behind the bookshelves, all with their eyes on the same few chairs. They'd look through the gaps between the books, their carrier bags would rustle, then they'd see someone fold up their newspaper and all at the same time they'd leap from their hiding places and grapple each other for the seats. I read a History of Glasgow for a while, but it was heavy and wasn't much fun standing up. On Sunday we went to the West End and Patrick bought an elephant on wheels, which we named Samuel. We decided to write a song about him. I wrote this: Samuel, oh Samuel Although you smell like dog biscuits And your wheels squeak and clunk I still love you Your big ears and your tiny trunk *tuba solo* Solomon, oh Solomon Although I've seen all your tricks before And I know you've got something up your sleeve I still love you When you hold the queen of hearts in front of me *tambourine solo* Samuel, oh Samuel I know you hate to be pushed around And I know you don't think I should But I love you And this bath I'm giving you is for your own good I don't think there's much of a market for songs about fluffy animals on wheels, though. I mean, who'd want to listen to a song about that? That's why I put the bit in about the magician, see? Everyone loves magicians! It's not all bad being ill. It means I've been able to watch Fans Only from front to back and over again. I tried to buy it from my local independent record shop, but they didn't have any because they were too expensive. They sent me over the road to MVC instead. I always feel guilty for not buying from independent record shops. I actually bought Dear Catastrophe Waitress from Tesco, and the guilt still attacks me from time to time like a shifty dog. I suggested to them that they buy up all of MVC's copies and sell them for 50p more. They seemed to think it was a good idea, so maybe they will. Fans Only is brilliant. I don't know why, but I had the feeling it would be rubbish, but it's not. It's tremendous. Action packed!! There are lots of great moments on it: b+s on a Brazillian chat show, Stevie singing Rhinestone Cowboy at Bowlie, Stuart forgetting the words to every song he sings, and Isobel looking absolutely lovely. I'd actually forgotten she was so pretty. Loads of songs make appearances, including one or two you might not have heard of before. I think "Disability Chic" and "Invisible" must be some of the instrumentals, and "Wake Her Up", mentioned once long ago, turns out to be a Stuart David song with funny noises attached. It's all very exciting. You should all buy it and watch it and write stuff about it, yo. Peter Miller should buy it so that he stops listening to his "Lead Zepp" DVD, with their "riffs" and "electric guitars", whatever those are. On the way home, sorry to go on a bit by the way, on the way home I had a go at figuring out the lyrics to the long version of Scooby Driver. I love this song and I wish they'd release the full version cos it rocks. If you haven't heard it, you should try to get hold of the version they played on KCRW a couple of months ago. Here's my attempt at the lyrics (any help with the bit about the bedroom door would be welcome): === I'm coming over in the wrong direction I only want to be the centre of your attention For long enough to show you I'm worth the trouble that you take I want to see the way that you portray A boy who maybe doesn't have to much to say And you can draw your own conclusions But you'll find I'm not a fake You can turn away from me But there's nothing that'll keep me here you know And you'll never be the city guy Any more than I'll be hosting the Scooby Show +++ I need protection There's a lot of ugly stuff that's going on I want to live my life inside a car that's movin' fast I want to see the way that you portray A boy who's going to try to change his life today +++ Everybody's clearly out to get me I want to [...] my bedroom door And close my eyes and listen to the music Really makes you sore And if you turn away from me I will put you on my list of folk to hate I will write it in my diary And I will take revenge at a later date === Au revoir, mes petits fours! Robin x _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elle_jane1 at xxx.uk Wed Oct 22 20:23:13 2003 From: elle_jane1 at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?elle?=) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:23:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: hopelessly influenced by... Message-ID: <20031022192313.15966.qmail@web25106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> i'm dead good at composing emails to sinister whilst i'm stuck in traffic jams on the m25 so why is it so difficult once i actually get the computer turned on? is it the prospect of a real audience? is it the fact that in black and white my thoughts show their real useless worth? is it...? in my thoughts i can always compose a beautifully balanced three-part argument. so, it's been a long time and in that time i've aquired my two cats (called bella and honey until i discovered they are actually boys. still called bella and honey until i discovered it really doesn't suit them. then renamed ben and sebastian as by then i'd run out of ideas. now just called vicious warrior and fat cat as those names just sum them up without any need for imagination). they are lovely and currently asleep on my lap (ben/vicious) and by the computer (sebastian/fatty). they would send purrs if they could be bothered to wake up. the new album. well, i tried and i tried and i tried to love it. the major set-back happened when my mum called round: "that sounds like Cliff Richard", she said. i pressed that little button with the square symbol. so now i listen and i think of cliff richard. and 10cc and godley and cream (sp?), and the human league and the beach boys. i'm not saying it's wrong for the album to have echoes of these bands but it's just not what i was wanting for this album. anyway, when does influence become 'nicking a toon'? having said that, i've found myself waking up with a song from dickywank in my head. not always what you want, but that's life. but, i do have to admit, to growing into it. is this a good thing? will it change me into a nicer person? will it make me listen to and understand different music and people? will it help me meet a boy? will i get a snog? well, there you go. the big questions in life are raised by one little album. maybe it's not so bad. actually, i think the major problem is c4 and bbc2. i think so many B&S tracks are used as backing music for TV programmes (and almost for films) that these tracks sound like fantastic soundtracks for films that have yet to be made. maybe our boy is writing for a film that's in his head? or just for c4 output for 2004. i'm not complaining that you can't turn on British TV without hearing a B&S song in the background (teachers, wife swap, rolf's art programme... do i watch too much crap?)it's just that i'd prefer the songs not to sound like sound tracks in the first place. and not like cliff richard ones at that. there you go. first post in a long time (i won't call myself a lurker because i've posted in a virtual sense) and it's another shit one. will the girl press send? big shouts to the ssm. meet up next week? daf? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From greenstar33 at xxx.com Wed Oct 22 20:46:41 2003 From: greenstar33 at xxx.com (Tamra Ann Thomas) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: elliot smith is dead Message-ID: <20031022194641.C6F033E1C@xmxpita.excite.com> all the good people have to do themselves in young, don't they? tammy. there is no silver lining on a mushroom cloud-ny times _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sunnie_set at xxx.com Wed Oct 22 21:12:22 2003 From: sunnie_set at xxx.com (Rachel) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:12:22 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the end of something? Message-ID: Watching fans only has made me think a bit. Think a bit about the past mainly. It has made me remember an obscure little band that very few people knew about to be. An isolated kind of thing where we'd shut the curtains late at night and put on some CDs and drink some wine. I remember the night we punched the air and screamed in amazement as we watched the Brit awards. Actually believing that the people upstairs might understand why we were so excited. It was at that point that it seemed that the whole world knew our well-kept secret. It was the first time I'd seen anyone from the band. We laughed at how surprised we felt and how surprised they must have felt, then punched the air and screamed some more. And later I remember the days before we moved. The end of an era. The days when I first heard Lazy Line Painter Jane. I remember dancing around the kitchen of the upstairs flat swotting the flies that had made homes for themselves that hot sweaty summer. Packing up all our worldly belongings preparing for the big move north. I remember the feeling of excitement too and the pride I felt that I shared the surname with the singer, not to mention the fear and the regret. It was the beginning of something. Sometimes I feel that I have never really moved on from that time, that things will never be quite as good as they were then. I look around myself and I'm not completely sure how I ended up here. Other times of course, I know that they have. Moved on that is. I just need to look around myself at, the friends I've made, and the things I've doing and have done to prove that to myself. Maybe I still don't talk to people quite as much I'd like, but now I know places where I can go find people who 'll smile. And I'll remember picnics and gigs and trips to Belfast. And I'll remember that THIS is the beginning of something. Take Care Rachel ************* If you're any sort of hero, you'll be fighting for what you believe in. You'll get tired, and worn down by the world. There's always somebody to tell you you're wrong....You can't always save the world. But you're a hero, so that won't stop you trying. http://www.friendsoftheheroes.co.uk ***************** +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dirtyvicar at xxx.net Wed Oct 22 21:28:17 2003 From: dirtyvicar at xxx.net (Dirty Vicar) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:28:17 +0100 Subject: Sinister: the night I danced with U2's The Edge Message-ID: Once I went to a nightclub and danced with U2's The Edge. It was in the Palace Of Dance that it happened. Howie B., U2's hippity hop pal, was DJing and U2's The Edge was there, and I danced with him. Actually, I was just on the same dance floor as U2's The Edge, and while we were both dancing, there wasn't really any sense in which I was dancing *with* him. I didn't even approach him or anything, because Irish people are cool about these things and don't hassle the stars like that. Something similar happened the other day when I was in Glasgow's The Winchester Club. I'd flown over to see The Aislers Set and The Lucksmiths who were playing there. I found both bands very enjoyable, particularly The Lucksmiths about whom I had few expectations. I especially liked when they introduced a song with "Here's one for anyone who likes boardgames". I was the only person who cheered, marking me out as a SADDO, but I didn't care. I liked the song that followed, which was called "Even Stephens", although sadly it was about Scrabble rather than some game designed by Reiner Knizia. Errrr, delete that last bit from your memory. The Aisler Set were fun in a boppy jumpy up and downy way, although I did think that The Aislers Set's singer could have been a bit more indie looking. I was amazed at all the people from popular bands present - most of Camera Obscura and a significant proportion of Belle & Sebastian. I resisted the urge to show Stuart Murdoch who has the last laugh by punching him one, but I did find myself dancing next to him at one point. Crucially, he came over to dance beside me, proving that my fame has spread even to Glasgow. The best bit was when Stevie Jackson was dancing with the other woman from the Aislers Set, and everyone formed a circle round them and started clapping while they strutted their stuff like what happens in films (elements of the previous sentence happened only in my imagination). I've noticed a lot of disrespect to Stevie on the list lately. I feel that it is time an Inquisition was inaugurated here, and heretical B&S fans identified and exterminated (should they refuse the opportunity to recant). People must learn to accept that Stevie is THE MAN, and all who disagree are false B&S fans. This problem will be solved. [pause while I enjoy passing judgement over those whose faith in B&S has been found wanting] Anyway, I met some lovely people from the list in Glasgow. Robin Stout, notably, but I've met him loads of times at this stage. I also met Lucy, Ally, other Lucy, Rachel, and then various people who might be on Sinister or who might belong to THE OTHER PLACE, or both. I sadly failed to meet Idleberry because no one pointed her out to me. The next day I went to Edinburgh and upped my tweefucker quotient by paying repeated visits to the statue of Greyfriars Bobby. He was a very good dog, apparently. Then I came home. Jonathan Skinner mentioned how we Irish Sinisters should have some kind of get together when ~Stine comes over from sunny Chicago in... next March, is it? This could be a larf. It does seem like a while since I met any Irish listers, probably not since they played Belfast that time. Eh... well, obviously I've met the one I live with a few times since then, and I did meet Wookie in the company of the Pinefox that time. But there are so many others that I met just the once and then never again. Yes, this meetup would be a top idea. Maybe some of the UK Sinister subbers will come over to it as well? where to have it is a bit of a conundrum. Jonathan suggested Galway, but I have loads of relatives there I want to avoid. Obviously this meetup cannot take place in Dublin, but it might be nice if it was somewhere relatively accessible to our Northern brethren. Eh... is there anywhere in Ireland accessible from everywhere other than Dublin? I actually think maybe something like going down to Dingle or some isolated bunjo bit of the west could be fun. yes yes. alternatively, how about Cork, Ireland's premier city. Or sunny Belfast. And now I must go and eat my dinner. But before I go I would like to make quite clear that I will sue for defamation of character the next person who asserts that the Sunday Independent is my favourite newspaper. bless you all, DV +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kenneth.chu at xxx.org Thu Oct 23 14:49:59 2003 From: kenneth.chu at xxx.org (kenneth.chu at xxx.org) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:49:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Tosser, nude cock stretcher Message-ID: Piazza New York Catcher -------------------------------------- I'm a bit disappointed with Piazza New York Catcher now that I know that "Ferdinand" was a reference to "The Collector", by John Fowles, rather than to "Rio Ferdinand" of the English Premier League, by Barclaycard. I was absolutely convinced of the latter, what with all the references to the "Hotel Bedroom" gang rapes and "limping round" after a fight in the tunnel on pagan (aka Turkish) holidays. "I love you I've a drowning grip on your adoring face" - the way Turkish player Alpay poked David Beckham in the face. "Beside you and strong warnings in the guise of gentle words, come wave upon me from the wider family net absurd" - a double reference to the "I'll kill you" line by Macedonian player Sakiri and the insults to Beckham's mother from Alpay. "Life outside the diamond is a wrench" - how Butt, Scholes, Beckham and Gerrard formed the formidable Diamond formation in midfield, and how the rest of the team were shite. The giveaway line "A Trail for the DEVIL to erase" - Rio plays for Man United (the "Red Devils"), who are trying to help him shake off the Drug test evasion charges! I was so certain of this, until this revelation of this John Fowles thing. Oh great, thanks a lot. The DVD ------------- During the few moments when I'm not so depressed about this Ferdinand business, I managed to watch some of that B&S DVD. I loved how they have English subtitles so that people who don't understand Scottish accents (i.e. everyone) can have a clue what the hell they're saying! It's funny to have been to Glasgow a few times and recognising places in the videoes/little documentary bits. Almost like a holiday programme of somewhere you've been. Even more weird if you've been to those gigs that were on it I guess, or if you ACTUALLY APPEAR ON THE VIDEO. Look at me I'm on TV it makes up for ... etc. I've also just realised that I was once inside the same shoe shop as the bloke who made this DVD, yeah man, fame. I've also witnessed a near-death incident involving a football and the girl who's on the cover of the DVD and I'm glad that from the photo she looked to have recovered, although a little cold perhaps. Excellent. Unnecessary Information ------------------------------------ The inside of my thigh just twitched involuntarily in the exact same frequency as the vibration that a Nokia 8310 would generate when it rings. Which made me think that I had just received a text message, and I didn't. The shame. c u l8r Ken ********************************************************************** This email is confidential and intended solely for the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If this email was not intended for you please notify the UCLH Mail Administrator at mail.administrator at uclh.org. This footnote confirms that the email and attachments contained no viruses when they left UCLH. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lucyalder at xxx.com Thu Oct 23 15:18:02 2003 From: lucyalder at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Lucy=20Alder?=) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:18:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Feeling's Believing Message-ID: <20031023141802.80766.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> Have you ever lost music? I mean, have you ever gone for days without switching on the stereo because you couldnÂ’t think of anything to play? Did you get bored with it all? I did. For ages, I hadnÂ’t had that feeling. That Feeling. When you hear a song and run to put it on repeat after a few bars because you know already that in three minutesÂ’ time youÂ’ll want to hear it all over again. When you dance around your room knowing full well that you look a bit stupid but you donÂ’t care that the lights are on and the curtains are open and thereÂ’s a whole row of tenements looking in on you. When a record hits on something inside you and it swells up in your chest and feels like itÂ’s about to burst. I hadnÂ’t felt it for months. In spite of helping to run a club, DJing every month, expecting people to dance to music when well, it just wasnÂ’t doing anything for me. And IÂ’d get home and IÂ’d forget to unpack my CD player and itÂ’d sit in my living room cocooned in its polystyrene and cardboard until I found the time to get it out again. I should have been running to unwrap it and play some more music as soon as I got it home, but I didnÂ’t. And then something changed. I think it started when I heard Stay Loose at AllyÂ’s house. Somebody had managed to download it from somewhere. When you havenÂ’t had That Feeling for a while, you donÂ’t quite recognise it when it starts happening again. And if you canÂ’t take the music home with you and play it to death, it doesnÂ’t have the full effect. So I heard Stay Loose a couple of times and rather liked it and was kind of hopeful that the whole album would be just as good. Then I pretty much forgot about it for a while. The next thing that happened was Steady Mike came to visit. Now, IÂ’m not going to accuse Steady Mike of stirring up emotions in a girl, him being a happily married man and all, but something happened that week. It came to a head in Borders, where I bemoaned the fact that, upon entering a record shop, I could never remember what it was IÂ’d intended to buy. And then I looked down at the racks and staring up at me was Jonathan Richman. If it was a fillum, heÂ’d have flashed a smile and winked at me. Just as attention-grabbing was his big red Special Offer sticker. And then I noticed that he had a bonus CD with, amongst other things, six songs by the Rubinoos! And I remembered that both Richman and the Rubinoos were on my wishlist and I took them home and played them and played them again and again. The following Friday was Winchester Club night. Quite a lot of you were there. It was particularly nice to see people coming from a long way off, like Robin Stout and the Rev Dirty. I canÂ’t really write about it properly because remembering it makes me grin my face off because it was such a great night. I canÂ’t tell you how wonderful the bands were, how amazing it was that the Lucksmiths and the Aislers Set would want to come and play for little old us, how we danced our socks off when Into The Groove came on and how people kept coming up and telling me it was their gig of the year? I donÂ’t think my descriptions could ever convey what it felt like. Feels like. That Feeling is back and I hope itÂ’s here to stay. ItÂ’ll at least extend to SaturdayÂ’s Camera Obscura gig and SundayÂ’s Sodastream gig. Good grief, four of my top five bands in the space of 10 days. How is a girl to cope? This has been quite a wussy post. I will try for a knob gag next time. Juicy Lucy ===== The one, the only Glasgow Indie List! http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/glasgow-indie/ ************************************************** The Winchester Club http://www.geocities.com/the_winchester_club ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From heartxdan at xxx.com Fri Oct 24 05:05:30 2003 From: heartxdan at xxx.com (elizabeth trawick) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:05:30 -0700 Subject: Sinister: atlanta meeting? Message-ID: Hi all, you Sinisters! I haven't been here in a while, it feels kind of strange to be writing. I bought the new cd a day before it was out and took a drive shortly after to listen. I was really surprised by the sound but definitely not dissapointed. It was all that was in my cd player for at least a week, to be honest, and I surprised myself once when I got out of my car and found myself finishing the lyrics to "Piazza, New York Catcher". It feels so nice and happy. It's a nice change, I think. This Sunday will be the first day I ever lay eyes on Belle and Sebastian. I'm seeing them in Atlanta with a friend of mine called Molly (who is not a Sinister). The two of us (and a few more friends of ours) will be staying in Atlanta Saturday day/night and all Sunday. If anyone knows of any sinister happenings I'm sure my friend Molly would love to join in (it's a given that I would!). Just e-mail me and let me know. If there isn't anything happening, I'd love to set one up if enough people are interested. xox Elizabeth _________________________________________________________________ Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). https://broadband.msn.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hessb at xxx.edu Fri Oct 24 17:26:48 2003 From: hessb at xxx.edu (Brian Hess) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:26:48 -0500 Subject: Sinister: i'm falling asleep to DCW Message-ID: <000b01c39a4b$9fdbc230$3516010a@hessb> Hi all, Life's been um...rugged lately, at least for the last week and a half. Now I get a break from the pointless classwork for awhile, and this weekend is church camp (no I'm not too old for such a thing!), so good times for everyone I should think. I've been listening to alot of ep's lately, and I'm starting to think I like the format more than just about anything. Especially B&S ep's are magnificent, all unified and stuff. It's like a compact musical statement that ensures maximum happiness and minimum boredom. Given my vanishing attention span, tis truly a blessing. On somewhat frightening news, I'm having trouble finding a ride to the Philly show, which I'm going to make it to if I have to take bloody Amtrak, but hopefully I can find another student that would at least like to see a concert with me. These things have a way of working out usually, though, so let's hope... For anyone who happens to be around Lancaster, PA here in the states (anyone?), The Innocence Mission is playing at the Chameleon Club on Nov. 1, they're a superb band for those who don't know, all acoustic and pretty-like. I'll be there, anyway. And that's all I've got for now. Sorry for the lack of general interesting things in my emails, I try to keep 'em short at least. bless~ Brian +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jpayne at xxx.org Fri Oct 24 18:20:27 2003 From: jpayne at xxx.org (Jenny Payne) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: 2nd DC show addition In-Reply-To: <000301c39672$2c489be0$2123353e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hello devils, Just a quick note to let you know that there has been a 2nd B&S show added to the Tuesday, October 28 DC concert at the 9:30 Club. Doors open at 10:30 and it will be interesting to see if the two differ at all. I think I'll go to both since I will most likely be late to the first. Are there any post-show meetups planned at this point? Jenny +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jpayne at xxx.org Fri Oct 24 18:55:41 2003 From: jpayne at xxx.org (Jenny Payne) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: follow the troubadour In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, hannah brown wrote: > Talking of onions, i know of two songs that have the word "Onion" in the > title. 1, "green Onions" by booker T and 2, "Know your Onion" by The Shins. > Can anyone think of any more song titles with the word Onion in it, boy i > would shhhure like to find out. Heh. Well I know of one more offhand.... it's Corniche Camomile's "ONION SOUP CRAZY," which appears on a fantastic compilation called "Pop Japanese Style." That new Shins is brilliant, by the way. As are the new Stereolab (EP), Ladybug Transistor, Elefant, and The Sleepy Jackson. Jenny +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lleweth at xxx.com Sat Oct 25 15:58:46 2003 From: lleweth at xxx.com (Laura Llew) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:58:46 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Durham NC Sinister Meatup! Message-ID: Que: BBQ! North Carolina Sinister Meatup! Time: Afternoon & early evening before the Durham Belle & Sebastian Show on Monday the 27th Place: GayJay's. (E-mail him jayeckard at hotmail.com for directions.) Reason: PULLED PORK. Ahem. I plan to make that the header of all my Sinister posts until the event. Not that I plan to harass Sinister with five posts a day until Monday or that all of NC Sinisterines are going to form a coup on this list. But it's going to be on Sunday at noon so act surprised. The meetup will be right after I'll be meeting the band for the first time (thanks to GayJay - kiss, kiss) so I'll try to brush up against Stuart with my shoulder or something. Then, I'll let people touch my shoulder (for just a dollar!) See, doesn't that sound fun? I can tell you want to come already. Now, onward with content(ish)! It's hard to believe that the same group who once crooned out The Boy With The Arab Strap and Seeing Other People - the latter of which I played once in the car and my sister said, "Laura, why are we listening to a song about gay men having sex?" See, Belle and Sebastian used to be a source of family bonding! - are now popping out clean unsmutty lyrics like an easybake oven. The closest allusions we get are things like "You Don't Send Me" which according to Feather Boa's blog means "you don't turn me on." Then rask revealed that "Bunking off though you're a toff' means playing truant even though your posh which dashed all my hopes of the latest album having a masturbation reference. Oh c'mon! like bunking off didn't sound SLIGHTLY SMUTTY to you. All I wanted is for "Step Into My Office Baby" to be a little reminescent of the movie the Secretary. Is that so much to ask? I suppose so. Though the line, "I've been pushing for a raise. I've been pushing now for days" does give a girl a little hope. And that's all I ususally need - a little hope. xo, Ll PS - GayJay is the picnic mummy. However, if you have any questions or want to be convinced in to coming then you can e-mail me too. _________________________________________________________________ Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rfadden at xxx.com Sat Oct 25 22:09:35 2003 From: rfadden at xxx.com (rrrrobyn) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: bunking 'til the break of dawn Message-ID: <20031025210935.81586.qmail@web11102.mail.yahoo.com> pulling pork 'n gettin' it awn. there's an O.C. marathon on tv. i'm going to go watch it and undo all the french i learned in class this morning. it's like the opposite of neurobics*. well, i've gotten over my blushing at gayjay's fondness for me/my crushable email stylings. his kind words along with some other nice emails and some recent compliments on my hair did serve to brighten my spirits. not that they were darkened, but they were dulled. and for that i blame The Month of October. which i'm glad ends with a bang at least with the best non-holiday holiday, Halloween! yes, that, thanksgiving, crisp autumn air, and all the sweet, lovin' libras are what save october. okay, so maybe it's not such a bad month after all. and, well, it's loads better than boring november, eh? there's a coldplay concert on cbc radio right now. do i like coldplay? am i too lazy to put a cd on instead? well, i have been known to listen to radio things like the extend-o mixes of german operas and what appears to be the cbc's endless supply of cape breton fiddling music. lazy? somewhat intrigued? into pain-derived pleasure? i'm not so good at giving answers. and also, people keep telling me that i would/should listen to/like The Weakerthans, but so far i've just been weirdly unmotivated to even download a song or borrow cd from someone. i've heard them played at people's houses, but never really paid to much attention (b/c it seems that whenever i'm at people's houses there's a lot of talking. and beer. and then someone gives me gin and i get all "what's *this* we're listening to? is it the eagles? is it alabama?" and it always turns out to be, like, the alman brothers. ah, no it doesn't, but it'd be funny if it did. i should probably stop drinking gin.) anyway, i have a ticket for the dirtbombs show! whoo! i feel like i need to stop being hyped about it b/c what if it disappoints? yeah, i'll just play it cool. just like i'm playing it cool about the le tigre show and the julie doiron/damien jurardo/rosie thomas show. yep, totally ultra-seude cool about all that. just like you're all cool and not jumping up and down about the upcoming belle & sebastian shows. damn though, i really do want to jump up and down in anticipation of seeing b&s... there aren't any good seats left for the toronto show and i'm not paying $50 plus train fare for "limited visibility" seating. i'd prefer the north carolina show really, what with all those cool kids and their pork-pulling antics. okay, i have to pay attention to the regional music hour now. x robyn *hahahaha. i heard this word on the radio a couple days ago. now i can't stop picturing my neural synapses in spandex thongs, hot-pink tights and black legwarmers. ===== I was reading the dictionary. I thought it was a poem about everything. ~Steven Wright ~~~ Robyn Fadden rfadden at yahoo.com Montreal, QC __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From anders at xxx.com Sun Oct 26 12:25:26 2003 From: anders at xxx.com (anders) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:25:26 +0100 Subject: Sinister: bunking off? yeah maybe? Message-ID: <200310261325.AA4075683972@bakvendtland.com> sinister, hmm. what have i done today? oh yes, i woke up. took a look at my watch and it was nine. why do i wake up at nine on a sunday? why? nine? sunday? i deserve to be able to sleep longer than that. on monday, tuesday, wedensday, thursday and friday, every week i have to get up at 06.20. every day. evry week from now until july sometime, except the holidays, but hey, that's four weeks, or five, in all. they don't really matter. and because of this i feel that i should get more sleep in the weekends. why shouldn't i? i fall asleep late. i do things that should make me tired. i should sleep forever. but i wake up at nine. nine! how many hours of sleep is that? in this case, 8 or so, i guess. and i need more sleep than that. i hardly sleep the days i have to go to school. i should sleep all weekend. but i don't. and it's not that my body says "oh, don't worry, you don't need to sleep more than this!", it knows i do. it's being cruel. "let's see how long this guy survives without sleeping". the bastard is laughing with his evil friends, i'm sure. "my boy hasn't been sleeping propoerly for weeks. ha ha" oh, you just laugh. idiot. but i'm not complaining. oh no! how could i? even though it was tough to come down to eat my breakfast and my mum said "are you up already? it's only 8" "8? no it's 9." "no. it's 8" and, of course, she was right. they always are. mums. it's quite a nice idea to give the world an extra hour when the winter is coming closer. "i know things are getting darker and mother nature looks sad. but, hey, you'll be alright. here's an extra hour!" thanks. i appreciate it. but when it comes in the weekend it sort of disappears. maybe if i manage to make my body believe that i have to get up at six on sundays too, i will be able to sleep until eleven? that would be wonderful. but how do i do that. do you know that sinister? hmm. things could be far worse though. see, my mum is up at five. she's not able to sleep any longer. mums. but i'm not that tired. i yawn a bit, sure. but i still have energy to be constantly happy. things are going my way. i'm sure no one will remember, but i started at a new school this year and it's great. and i sing in this big choir. Duke Ellington. so jazzy. and i'm a part of the school revue. and everyone in my class are nice. which is the nicest of course. and i look forward to go to school every day. even the bus ride in the morning. well, this monday can be slightly...well. we have maths all day. yawn. but the drama days i'll have on wedensday, thursday and friday makes up for it. three days we have, our group. and the result are to be a play about sri lanka. "sri lanka? why on earth did you choose sri lanka?" oh, we didn't. it's because we had a day where we all worked. every student in norway spent one day working instead of going to school and all the money were given to an organisation, and this year we supported sri lanka. that's why. quite nice thing to do. it's done every year. but now iÂ’ve lost it totally. what was it i was supposed to talk about. yeah, it was what i've done today. because after i'd eaten breakfast it was still 8.30. and most teenagers were still asleep. i, on the contrary, started cleaning my room. why did i do that? why the hell? i had to do some shallow cleaning yestertday and my mum was pleased. why did i then wash, clean, tidy my room when i didn't have to? i did every nook of every cabinet. yes, in there as well. and as i did this i listened to camera obscura, lucksmiths and belle & sebastian. oh, and kissing book. and as i reached the end it occured to me: i'm too.... ....anti-riot understand? -i'm sixteen. -i did not drink anything last night. -i got up at eight. -i cleaned my room. after i'd -made my own breakfast. -tea and toast. and as i did this i listened to -music even my mum thinks is good. not very riot. and this is typical. i have to do something cruel. like what my body is doing to me when it comes to sleeping. makes me tired only when i can't sleep. i need something like that to do. but i don't know what. and now i listen to tigermilk. and I fancy some tea i tried at the end of the cleaning to listen to riot music and the best i found was oasis. definitely maybe. i played it really loud and tried to be pissed off. but i had to smile. you can't pretend to be a troubled teenager, a boy, while finishing the cleaning of your room at eleven in the morning. you can't. back to camera obscura, for me. and the water and the soap and the dust. oh, the dust is gone by the way. and i found lots of things from years ago that i taped on the wall. see, i have to do something. a piece of advice sinister? well, it could have worse i guess. i could have been the opposite. anders. x ps. when I for once actually mail to the list i can ask if there are any other norwegians out there? hello? anyone? i saw one on the bus with a b&s badge the other day. you aren't here are you? hello? pps. iÂ’m thinking that maybe i shouldnÂ’t buy the dvd. it would be such a perfect christmas present. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From innerlemming at xxx.com Sun Oct 26 16:53:59 2003 From: innerlemming at xxx.com (laurel lemming) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:53:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: please speak into the microphone Message-ID: <20031026165359.94210.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> dear Sinister, all of you are always talking about lots of other bands that people who listen to B+S also listen to. the only band I listen to in that sort of 'category' is Belle and Sebastian. oh, I listen to lots of other stuff, mostly in completely different genres; a lot of bluegrass, a lot of emo-ish rock, some 80s pop, and stuff my parents like to listen to. and someone once gave me a mix CD of stuff that was supposed to be "B&S-like," by which I guess they meant t*ee-pop, not that B+S are, but whatever. *stumbles away hoping not to provoke another discussion of "t*ee."* and nothing there really struck my fancy. so I guess my question is, are camera obscura and the hidden cameras the same band? I mean...I don't know. I'm so confused. and is it wicked not to care about all these other bands? not cool enough for you, lem __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From daisygreenlight at xxx.com Mon Oct 27 05:56:35 2003 From: daisygreenlight at xxx.com (miss lou) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:56:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: you can only die twice; it's the second time that makes the first time seem so nice. Message-ID: <20031027055635.44352.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> hello sinister. i've grown too fond of chips this weekend. well, 'chips' in america, 'crisps' (i think) in the euro sectors. either way, i've eaten too many, i think, and i am starting to fear it is one of those life-long loves people sometimes develop. here at 21, i think i am destined to become one of those old women who always have some sort of chip crumb permantently affixed to the near-inner upper thigh of their purple, elastic-waist polyester pants. at least i'll get to wear comfort shoes, i suppose. *** i wrote a post about my trip. i don't think it actually sent, though i distinctly remember the 'your mail has been sent' screen. but now i have had a few days to really digest the four-day weekend escapade (whilst eating all those chips). and at the end of another weekend, i have discovered only this: i am still very, very sad. *** it was bound to be bad from the beginning, really. the whole thing always had been; even when he still lived here, things were never glorious all the time. and even after the passing of a year and his final realization that yes, he was in love with me, things weren't all wine and roses and sunbeams and thanking the lord above, etc. it was hard. and i wonder if those things are suppose to be hard. love, after all, is such an easy thing to say. it shouldn't be so hard to do, right? but there i was in southern california, so close to the ocean that i was walking in a perpetual fog for four days. and that's probably fitting, really. because i still don't know if i really know what happened there, or why. i don't know who i was or who he was. i only know that on the last night i ended up crying into a cup of terrible tea made by a lovely man named jose. and i cried because i didn't like his tea. or my tea. or whatever tea i was being offered. *** i wonder sometimes why, when you realize something has reached the very tip of its end, it feels as though it never really happened at all. and you wish it hadn't really happened at all. you don't want to suddenly notice you've spent an enormous amount of time and energy trying to bask in a half-glory of something that may have never really existed. but what if that's it? what if that's all you get? and you throw it away because of something that should be so trivial as distance? what happens when you think, in spite of what you know and what everyone you know tells you, you are all loved up? i said i was going to california to get my heart back. so i could give it away again, presumably. but i came back home minus just as much heart as i was missing when i left. and i tried to get it back. i tried to, whatever, swallow it all while i was there. but i ended up choking. i spent a lot of time there alone. i tried, and am still trying, to believe that i am happy that he is the one who holds so much of me. and will. i don't know if i can convince myself that i am happy with that. i don't know if i can convince myself that i am happy at all. and this is no cry for attention or need for an outpouring of love and support in the manner of "lindsey, of course someone will love you again" commentary. it's just me wondering why, when a person just folds around pain, the world does not also do so. it would make more sense, i think. and what poetic fodder, too. all that pain at the center, like the roundest, coldest, hardest pearl you ever touched. xo.lou. ===== www.somewhereinbetween.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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I have 2 jobs now.....i got a job at an Irish store on Saturdays, as well as a few nights a week. I love it there. This past Saturday, 2 real live Irish people stopped in....one of whom was a man who kept speaking gaelic. I was going to ask him to marry me but thought that that may have overstepped some sort of professional boundries :o) I'm also becoming a resident expert on fitting Irish dance shoes...I had no idea how complicated it was. I know it is still a crap retail job, but everyone is really nice, it isn't TOO busy, and it gives me some money. In addition, I have still been working that the domestic violence shelter in Wednesday evenings. I co-facilitate the group of 4-6 year olds in the Mom & Kids programme. During our sessions, we discuss feelings, how to deal with anger, etc, how scary situations with their parents are NEVER their fault...that sort of thing. It is heartbreaking in most ways, yet I love it. I love knowing that I am making those children laugh and smile for what may be the only time that week. I have, since round age 12 or so, been set on the music industry as my niche. I waivered about becoming an english teacher for awhile, but always came back to management an PR as my fields of choice/destiny. Last week, after our session on wedneday night, the head of the programme, Denise, began asking me if I would like to come back for the next session. I said that I would love to if they/she felt I was contributing something worthwhile and so on. She asked how I became involved with the shelter so I explained how I had seen their business card at my salon and called to see if they needed any volunteers. I met with the woman in charge of the vols, began my state certification and here I was. she told me that she had a confession to make. that i had been very highly recommended to her by Robbie (the head of vols) and Linda (the woman in charge of the certification programme) and that they really wanted me for Mom & kids. she then said "I don't know what you're studying in school, but I think you were born to be a children's councelor." that's really had me thinking. were i to go into that, i would have to start ALL OVER in school, as I have taken no classes pertaining to that subject. i do love kids, and they love me.....but i don't know that i could handle those situations day after day. i dunno. i guess i'm just trying to figure out my purpose in the world and not fuck up my life anymore than i have. it would certainly be more worthwhile than schleping round for arsehole musicians.....but the pay isn't nearly as handsome. things are going well though...debt is consolidated....will be moving soon....finally got an accurate diagnosis and am feeling great! and my sinister friends know not to mess with me as I am in weight training! rawr!! :O) ah well. i guess i had nothing to say.....well, maybe a little. sometimes you just need to get your thoughts out of your head to make sense of them.......sometimes they never make sense. oh yes...don't forget NY sinisters....i'll be there in a month!! yay!!!!!!!!!! love to my peeps ~stine __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From idleberry at xxx.com Mon Oct 27 22:04:33 2003 From: idleberry at xxx.com (idleberry) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:04:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: You're not getting any younger Message-ID: <20031027220433.44626.qmail@web41109.mail.yahoo.com> I�ve spent almost the last week in isolation, speaking only to friends over the phone, or the occasional passer-by member of my family. Mostly, my ears have been listening to the nonsensical conversations of my Sim family, who have been entertaining me. My family consist of Barbie, Action Man, Ken and Sindy. Ken and Sindy after some passion (despite Ken getting randy some other females, and Sindy getting flirty with Bob Newbie) recently decided to have a baby, Skipper, who will grow into a child if they look after her properly for three days, so they have been skiving work so as not to miss her feeding times. Action Man meanwhile has proposed marriage on at least four occasions to a Katrina House lookalike, who said no, once because she complained they don�t talk enough, and three times because she was hungry. Action Man told her to leave, and returned to his passion for painting. Barbie meanwhile is working as a psychic for the police. If you think that is sad, then spare a thought for one poor nameless soul who named his Sim family after members of Belle And Sebastian, and made Chris and Isobel get it on. Talking of Belle and Sebastian, last week I chanced the opportunity to watch the new DVD with my boyfriend. If the recent album was disappointing (and it was, never mind what you think) then this was a welcome treat. It was as much a pleasure as the first time I really appreciated Tigermilk. The videos are fantastic � my favourites being I Could Be Dreaming, Lazy Line Painter Jane, and the Wrong Girl. The great thing about those videos was that it was less of an accessory to the music, like so many music videos tend to be. I giggled thoroughly when Stuart did his angry face, or when Stuart and Chris had a three-legged chase of Lazy Line Painter Jane, or when the glove puppet fox in the super hero costume shakes his wee foxy head when posed with the line �Do you wanna do it now?� or when baby Stevie emerged from the hospital. My only question is, how on earth can you have bonus bits on a DVD? That would suggest that you could buy it without the bonus bits, for a smaller cost. But that�s just a thought. Still, the DVD was wonderful; it was like looking through an old photo album or scrapbook of B&S best moments. It�s rather sad that October is almost over now, although I�ve really enjoyed this autumn so far. Hopefully it will lead to a winter fit for Christmas card pictures of frosty and snowy scenes in wintry sunshine. I turned 25 recently*, and it started to make me think. What was I thinking about? Oh, so many things. I was thinking about what I have achieved, and what I had wanted to achieve by the time I was 25. Most people put their fulfilment on 30, but 30 always seemed too far away. Now it is closer, and I realise it�s ten years since I was a teenager, turning into an indie kid of some description. I don�t feel as differently as I thought I would, and things haven�t progressed quite as I thought they might. I had a career of glamour and luxury laid ahead for me in my head at 15, and I�ve yet to find anything remotely alluring about standing in photocopier rooms running off copies of papers. I find some solace though in knowing that not everyone gets it done by 25, (their ambitions, not photocopying) and that actually, 25 isn�t as old as it could be. In fact, 40 doesn�t seem as old as it used to anymore. Am I making excuses, or have I become more realistic? Will I achieve my aims in life, or am I destined to dream about them, and when I actually try to achieve these things will I realise that I�m not really cut out for them after all? How disappointing that would be. Am I good enough to get what I want, let alone motivated? No doubt this email may seem na�ve to those of you older than I; it may also seem insulting. It may also remind you of questions you had, and you�ll be able to wistfully look back and remember with a little bit of wisdom. Why 25? Well, I think it is because there are so many competitions and applications and opportunities that say they are for young people, with an age cut off at 25. It feels somewhat cruel in a way, that I am no longer considered a young person. It�s like being a small fish in a big pond all over again - I�m now in a different demographic. Having said that, there are few competitions, applications and opportunities I wanted that were aimed specifically at this young age group, so it is no great loss. Yours Elderberry *my birthday in October is one of the reasons I enjoy October, the other being the pleasant memories of mid term breaks at school, and the start of a new term with new pencils and books and jotters which always appealed to the stationery freak in me. ===== http://groups.yahoo.com/group/corduroysmoke/ starting playground gossip and passing notes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From loulouhex at xxx.com Tue Oct 28 00:31:46 2003 From: loulouhex at xxx.com (Vilkas D'Angelo-Horvath) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:31:46 -0500 Subject: Sinister: Reach Out! Message-ID: Ok you guys. I�m gonna duck and cover before I say this; but I gotta say. Y'know the reason why I'm still on Sinister after the month after I joined? YOU. The first week or two; I just wanted to know what was the deal with this new band. Yeah yeah they�re good and all, but before I was out of the nursery, it shifted to all of You. I mean B&S can play the fuck out of some songs and all; but I feel weird talking about that and stuff. I really dig communicating with all yous all around the world. You have introduced to me to bands I never would have heard of directly through mixtapes and suggestions; and indirectly by opening my ears even more. I�ve always had (metaphorically) Big Ears; but even more new music to add to what you already like is always better, especially if it�s unexpected. Don't wanna jinx myself by saying this out loud, but yous seem quite open minded about music and art and stuff. I mean, this list is the most polite place on the internet. And when things get out of hand; there are fewer real life reprecussions than friendster...(or myspace-come join me:-) !!!). You might not get in trouble when you go out for something you say on Sinister. Unless Jenny's there. Hi Jenny. End of abuse now. Next paragraph contains official content. Yo, Do you know the magic of The Four Tops? Ok. Just checking. Emo kids, beware! Nothing can top the emotional tidal wave of most of Reach Out. Standing In The Shadow Of Love! 7-Rooms Of Gloom! Bernadette!(Yes the hyphen is in the song title). Yeah and if you want content, their version of Walk Away Renee is on there. Yeah. "Xplosion" by Outkast is the same song as "You Don't Send Me"; that song title maybe a reference to the old school song "You Send Me"? Not the words exactly, but listen to them and get the message. Well, to my ears at least. Yeah, speaking of Outkast, did you know Big Boi is a Massive Kate Bush fanatic? ok now you know. And have you HEARD "Hey Ya"? Ok. GO FIND AND LISTEN TO IT. Now. New Wave Punk Soul. Fat Beat + !p!o!p!...Welcome to the Terrordome vs. Simply Nothing To Be Done. Throws the dance floor into a tizzy. And they won't play it on the hiphop station because it's not gangsta and they won't play it on the top 40 station because it's music by black folks that's not gangsta. Somebody be trippin. My friend Phil (http://www.friendster.com/user.jsp?id=53652) said that it's such a brilliant song, it's amazing Stephen Merritt didn't write it. Yes Mark C, it�s true. I'm now down with the Magnetic Fields. It was "Take Ecstasy With Me" on a mixtape that brought me over to their side. That song sounds like being on drugs and unicorns in magic forests. Or something like that. How did I get my self in this pickle. 2 shows. 2 months. fuck that shit homie. No overlapping on exhibit times...I could have shown the same work. But no. I'm a fucking shining star of brilliancy. I show Com-plete-ly different work. Bright Idea. And how am I gonna get these paintings done? Oh yeah. I remember. By including some photography in the show. ... Now I just have to frame some prints. Another Bright Idea. Lurve, VW _________________________________________________________________ Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From paularathoon at xxx.com Tue Oct 28 09:49:12 2003 From: paularathoon at xxx.com (Paul Arathoon) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:49:12 +0000 Subject: Sinister: 25...Feel sick and dirty, more dead than alive Message-ID: Idleberry's post was a near carbon copy of the one I had been composing in my head as I was herded onto the 7.54am Home Counties Daily Mail Hell train which gets me into Moorgate and the City. Well..nearish carbon copy- I love the new album, Idles doesn't. Not that it matters. ON BEING 25 I turned 25 not two weeks ago. So far the only material difference is that I seem to have been promoted to the 25-29 age group for all marketing purposes so I get to tick a different box when filling in useless surveys. But Idles is right about the cut off line...There were many jobs I went for last year where the fact I wasn't 21, fresh-faced with no experience of life, just out of university counted against me. Maybe I couldn't be manipulated into a perfect corporate employee like they could. Oh well, it worked out ok in the end. There are some things I have not achieved by now which I wanted to do. I wanted to write a book, I still think I can but I've only got 12 months to do it before The Career kicks in and I have no time whatsoever for myself. So...simple really, by my 26th birthday I need to have written a book. I would like to be The Great American Novel but as a non-American I don;t think I count. Though if Arnie can, I surely can. I still continue to hang onto the vestiges of being a mild mannered indie-kid. I walk to work from the station listening to B&S, the Smiths, blah blah etc and daydreaming all the time. Yet I am dressed so conservatively and I occasionally wear a pin-striped suit and blend in with all of the others.."The Shame Of It" screams my indie kid inner-self. "It's The Inevitability of Growing UP" my adult self smoothly reassures me before steering me into the nearest over-priced coffee shop. Apologies to those over 25 who are currently thinking *TSK wait 'til you get to 30/40/50*. And to those under 25 who have no idea what I'm on about. ON THE DVD It is, without doubt, fantastic. The credits with Get Me Away From Here.. made me feel incredibly nostalgic and it felt like some chapter somewhere in a book I didn't realise I had been reading had closed. Then I got sensible and watched Ian Duncan Smith take a battering from various colleagues. his theme tune should be Get Me Away From Here. It's been well worth the wait to see all the footage. I spent hours trying to find that version of Rhinestone Cowboy on Napster/Audiogalaxy/kazaa and now I have it with moving pictures and sounds and in colour marvellous. And I didn't quite appreciate how classically Scottish good looking Isobel is either. The End. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hessb at xxx.edu Tue Oct 28 17:49:00 2003 From: hessb at xxx.edu (Brian Hess) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:49:00 -0500 Subject: Sinister: lights out! Message-ID: <000901c39d7b$c9e59370$3516010a@hessb> Hello all, What an interesting few days this has been! This weekend was the Inter-Varsity Christian Fellowship's Fall Conference (formerly known as "Big Love", but changed cos that was "too feminine or something". I dunno, I wasn't complaining about the guy/girl ration...). But it was splendid, speaker guy who told all kinds of hysterical jokes about being young and stupid and then even better stories about being old and wise. Funny how his stories were strangely similar to stories of Jesus...well he was good at relating things. And anyway, it was all cosmic and beautiful and we had an honest-to goodness DANCE afterwards which featured me shaking my "groove thang" and trying to sing "Living on a Prayer" far too late into the evening. As for B&S, I got a chance to perform on my college's "late-night talk show" (quite fond of those quotes today, actually), and in the interview they asked me my influences. I said, "um, you know, like, radiohead, and belle and sebastian..." at which point the one host cut me off and said, "How about country?" Welcome to central pennsylvania, folks. But things are looking up, thanks especially to the kind soul who volunteered to give me a ride to the Philly show. I felt all warm-and-fuzzy-like. I do think I've managed to convince one of my friends to take me. She, however, has very little idea what is in store for her... Brian +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From staralful at xxx.com Tue Oct 28 18:53:34 2003 From: staralful at xxx.com (Jonathan Skinner) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:53:34 -0000 Subject: Sinister: popularity is a hallmark to mediocrity Message-ID: It is nice to see that everyone is sick, i can't think straight, my head feels all blurry , can't breath right and on top of that i have a cold. I went into college yesterday JUST to go into a certain huge record store to buy the DVD for €20. I never even tried to get it in our local indie, they have a huge poster the catastrophic waitress but still haven't got the album. my theory is that they wait until the prices in virgin fall a bit , go and buy up 10 copies then jack up the price. it is quite a good business to be in i think. So the dvd. i think my favourite piece is the STV documentary followed by i could be dreaming , especially the bit where the hand puppet is having a bit of an ould chat with stuart. I think the reason that i like this dvd so much is because it is the belle and sebastian i loved and grew up with. i first heard Lazy Line Painter Jane in 1997 i think , that would have made me 13. i was just starting at secondary school and was highly influenced. My cousins had come down from dublin for the weekend and Jane, the elder one had just had it sent to her by her boyfriend in Glasgow. we spent the first night they were down just listening to it over and over again, we were entranced by it. It is hard actully to put into the words how much listening to that one cd influenced the way i developed as a young fella. But it did and i think the DVD is all about that era , when they were everybodies little secret, all belle and sebastian fans lived in a secret world where they thought they were the only ones. when people asked "what music are you into" and you would shiftily respond "um belle and sebastian" to which people would mostly reply "who?". not that i have anything to worry about them now. yes they have changed but so have i . 7 years is a long time, they have matured , as have i. but it is still nice to see them when they were all bright eyed and bushy tailed. a bit like looking at a photoalbum of when you and your friends weren't camera shy and arsing around in front of it. I must put out a call. i mentioned in my last post that i and another sinister were coming to london for the dec 3rd gig. i was wondering if there were any meetups afoot, or maybe a foot and half. i know it will be cold and not picnic weather but i'm sure there are bars that could be retired to before or after the gig. just a thought right i am off to have a lemsip then go and listen a lecture on the delights of renainssence english poetry, don't wait up love etc etc and so forth jnthn +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From blind_lisa at xxx.com Tue Oct 28 20:57:54 2003 From: blind_lisa at xxx.com (Rachel fruitloop-Apps) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:57:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: A FIRE!!! I can warm my hands! Message-ID: <20031028205754.26984.qmail@web60003.mail.yahoo.com> Hello Sinister, Like Idles and Paul said, 25 is such a turning point in the way of age. Ben also just had to tick that "old people" box in a survey he took the other night because he is 25. He shouted out "Oh no"! Now that I am one year away from 30, I feel very young. But at 25 I felt like Oldie Olderson. My baby sister will be 25 in May. That is such a BIZARRE thought to me. There's no way she's nearly 25, I am only 22 at heart... but I am really very excited to be entering my thirties. It's the decade to kick ass. YOU'RE A DISASTER... It was bad enough that the public transit bus employees and major supermarket employees were on strike. Now everything is on fire and freeways are closed, too. Ben and I are living in an area of Southern California that, luckily, isn't close enough to any mountains that are on fire to be evacuated. This morning, we went out to the car and it was covered in ashes. And the sky is dark and smoky and we could see flames off in the distance yesterday. They say this is the worst firestorm in Califorina's history. My theory is that it's karmic payback for electing Arnold Schwarzenegger for Governor. We're going to make a FIRE mixtape with all songs on the subject of fire. It's probably a good thing that B&S aren't returning to Southern California on this tour... especially with Stuart's chest infection - our chunky air wouldn't go down well at all. I said to Ben last night how funny it is to think back to 10 years ago. When the devastating Northridge earthquake happened I was 19, I thought of what possessions I have that I wanted to save if we were evacuated. Suede Memorabillia! Now, I can't really think of what I'd try to save... my computer maybe, depending on the time factor. But I see my priorities are vastly different than they were when I was ten years younger. I still don't have the Fans Only dvd. I was going to buy the British format and just watch it on my computer. I have watched it once and it was FANtastic! I really should just get it. It reminds me of watching a great moving B&S scrapbook, too. Ben said he's going to preorder the US version. So it's gonna be in my hot little hands soon enough!(*insert vision of me vigorously rubbing my hands together and bellowing "mwaah-haaaah-haaaah-haaaa!") I am sad that Ben and I won't be able to go to Austin Texas to see B&S this weekend. Y'all Report Back now, ya hear! Happy Halloween! love, Rachie fruitloop-Apps P.S. I didn't mention KEN CHU once in this post. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From michael at xxx.org Wed Oct 29 01:39:11 2003 From: michael at xxx.org (Michael Vance) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:39:11 -0800 Subject: Sinister: A FIRE!!! I can warm my hands! In-Reply-To: <20031028205754.26984.qmail@web60003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Sinister, I am not yet on fire, either. I also am trying very very hard not to import Fans Only, especially after Idle's mention that it was everything that DCW wasn't. I esp. like someone's mention that it has English subtitles because of the thick accents. It will allow me to engage in such rousing conversations as this one, where akawaka == my Irish friend Martin, and Jon == my American friend. [13:50] watched bend it like beckham last night [13:50] pretty good [13:50] jon needed subtitles [13:50] moron Regards, m. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From billrogers_1 at xxx.com Wed Oct 29 09:28:26 2003 From: billrogers_1 at xxx.com (Nathan Reader) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 01:28:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: wow...what a great dvd...(sarcastic) Message-ID: <20031029092826.27557.qmail@web41301.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I only partially mean what I say in the subject, I'm sure the dvd is great. The thing is, I wouldn't know. I live in Australia and just bought 'Fans Only' only to find that it doesn't work in my dvd player!! Turns out the dvd is for region 2 format, and Australia is region 4. If any other Australians (or anyone on the list) have encountered the same problem and have a remedy, please contact me. I will be forever in your debt. Well...maybe not forever, but a while. Hope you are all having a good week. Keep the GOOD posts coming! Nathan. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lleweth at xxx.com Wed Oct 29 17:10:16 2003 From: lleweth at xxx.com (Laura Llew) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:10:16 +0000 Subject: Sinister: The world is quiet here... Message-ID: Atlanta Setlist: Expectations Step Into My Office, Baby Wrapped Up In Books Lord Anthony I'm A Cuckoo Women's Realm Travelling Light (which is *not* on the album, though it was on advance promo copies. At the Durham show they announced it as a "Future B-Side.) Beautiful You're Just A Baby An instrumental from Mick Cooke which sounded like a surf tune The Stars Of Track and Field You Don't Send Me Asleep On A Sunbeam String Bean Jean If You Find Yourself Caught In Love Dog On Wheels Judy and The Dream of Horses Roy Walker Sleep The Clock Around Encore: Get me away from here, i'm dying I wrote down the Durham setlist but now I can't find it so perhaps someone else will come through with that. It was a lot more similar to their first show which was kind of disappointing (as in the past they've been fairly different). They played Dirty Dream #2 instead of String Bean Jean, Slow Graffitti instead of Lord Anthony, Dear Catastrophe Waitress, Mike Piazza, and then She's Just A Baby For The Encore. Instead of Mick Cooke's instrumental, they had a guy from the audience come up and sing Like Dylan In The Movies which was the most comical Belle & Sebastian moment which I've ever experienced. He looked as if any moment he was going to dive off of the stage into the audience to crowd surf. Afterwards, Chris Geddes admitted that he meant that he had wanted someone from the audience to come up and sing a NON b&s song - like the Rolling Stones. At which point the audience tried to get Beans to sing a non B&S song. It didn't happen. He only teased us about how the only song he knew was "Santa Goes To The Ghetto." It was again requested when there were technical difficulties with the drum set but alas we were denied once again. At the Atlanta show there were a lot of requests for "Pocketbook Angels" and later Stuart Murdoch said those who shouted out for it were "cheeky devils". He then seemed kind of bitter that his own record label would release a bootleg of it and said something to the effect that now they're never going to release it. Slumber Party opened both nights and weren't so fantastic. The drummer looked as if she were auditioning for a part in Lost In Translation. You could almost see her muttering, "I'm lost. I'm confused. What's the point in - snare to the top hat to the drum - life?" The lead singer has to be a former president of her high school's Future Christian Athletes club who makes her own shirts and the bass player looked as if she was about to ditch her girls at any second to break out into some angry Sleater Kinneyesque stylings. If that ensemble weren't depressing enough, the lameness of their lyrics pushed them over the edge: Me: Did she just sing, "At night, I like to go to bed"? Jay: Well, ya know, some people do. I kept wishing we could just tuck them in already and call it quits. However, then Belle and Sebby came on and they were fantastic. A lot better than when I've seen them previously even though there were a couple of technical difficulties at each show. At the Atlanta show, Stuart said that he could hear a radio station coming through and there was a woman with a breathy voice singing so he was going to then sing the next song in his imitation of her. (I believe it was Stars of Track & Field). Very funny. He also didn't do a request shouted out because he said he was having trouble with his throat and so wasn't doing some of the songs which required him to break out the high voice. However, they played Slow Graffiti at Durham and it was absolutely beautiful. It alone made the show. Massive thanks to both Jays for letting me crash at their place and for going to the show, even if Jayward ditched me for an indie scarf wearing skank and left me to watch the show alone while standing next to a couple of girls who mistook convulsing spastically for dancing and behind a lass who mistook a cloche as something which should be worn with a zebra print design and made her look like Encyclopedia Brown. He's still the most darling boy ever. GayJay was a complete doll and let me sit in on the interview that he did with part of the band which was so much fun. We were hoping to get to talk to them for about 15 minutes but we chatted with Richard Colburn for close to an hour (though only 17 minutes of that was recorded) and it was the only interview they did. It was aired unedited last night on WXDU (http://www.wxdu.org/). I have to wonder if you can hear me choking in the background when Jay asked about why there are no masturbation references in the latest releases. Richard Colburn is so adorable though. How did I not notice him before? He's so nice and gingery. Um, the meatup was a lot of fun as well even though there was more meat than meet. Lots of Chapel Hill hipsters but not so many sinisters. It was a cozy little cookout and seemed very suburban - I felt as if I should be there with my husband named Mitch or something. I missed Damon but otherwise it ruled - and not just because I ended up back in Jay's bedroom with a cute boy named Ben and a copy of The Basic Eight either. xo, Ll _________________________________________________________________ Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From josephvess at xxx.com Wed Oct 29 17:38:45 2003 From: josephvess at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Joseph=20Vess?=) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:38:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Sinister: too late then Message-ID: <20031029173845.66660.qmail@web10204.mail.yahoo.com> I see Laura just wrote in about the Atlanta and Durham shows, rendering the reason I began to write this post moot. [coughs nervously] Cheers, Laura! But it's too late to turn back, and maybe I'll never think of something else to say, so I'll just delete the first paragraph I wrote and start partway through. So I'm Joe, and just recently out of the nursery, and only a day away from seeing Stuart et al for the first time, here in Chicago. I'm quite excited about it really. The last time they were touring in a place where I could have seen them was in 1998, in Chicago. I'd just bought TBWTAS as a present for someone, but for some strange reason I decided to open it and listen to it myself. Of course I kept it. Maybe I didn't get this person anything. Oops. Then I saw they were playing in Chicago, but it was only a couple of days later and the show was sold out, and I was a broke student anyway. So again, I'm very excited to see them. It's been Scottish music week as Travis played last night, quite a rousing show. I often wonder if it's a bit of a letdown for bands that are big in the UK to play here. Travis, a band that has played Glastonbury and T in the Park, playing to about 1500 in their only Chicago show. A few years back the Manic Street Preachers were here, and they played in an even smaller venue. I think maybe you get more hardcore fans that way. Damn, I'm excited. Hope we'll have a proper report from the Chicago show as well. cheers, Joe ===== Joseph Vess josephvess at yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From shannonjeanmaney at xxx.com Thu Oct 30 07:36:03 2003 From: shannonjeanmaney at xxx.com (shanny jean) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:36:03 -0600 Subject: Sinister: The world is quiet here... Message-ID: little bear is sneaking out of the cave for a brief moment... LITTLE BEAR: I can't wait to see Belle and Sebastian in less than 24 hours! THE HAPPY SUN: Hang in there, Little Bear! If you refuse to sleep, the moment will come faster! LB: No! THS: I do say, it is true young one! Does not the happy sun shine in the sky? LB: (stares gleefully) Well that much is true! Then I shall not sleep! Not a wink, I do declare! Not a wink! the bear remains out of the cave. the bear posts on sinister for the first time since bear's long nap. the bear awaits a meet-up. the bear awaits a happy concert. the bear is awake. Chicago. i hope you're also ready to rock and dance. see you later. your new spin on an old friend, Shanny _________________________________________________________________ Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. https://broadband.msn.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From jayeckard at xxx.com Thu Oct 30 19:51:03 2003 From: jayeckard at xxx.com (Jay Eckard) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:51:03 +0000 Subject: Sinister: The other side of the Coin, or "A Sort of International Cult, really" Message-ID: My dear Sinisterenes: Miss Llew llamented (and isn't it a pity I couldn't fit in 'llama' there somewhere?) she didn't have her set list for the Durham show. Cause she left it in my car, you see. I found it last night. She appeared over the horizon that Monday like the sun at dawn, beautiful, awesome and blinding. After dropping off a few things in my house, we skipped over to the Carolina Theater in downtown Durham. Lovely place. We were there to interview the band, you see. We sat around for a while, waiting as they set up the stage, till we finally met Mr Stevie Dreads. Then we waited some more. Then we got to interview Richard. Eventually. We were in one of the dressing rooms, mooching around as Richard got coffee. We found a /conversation pit/! You know, one of those circular couches with the raised middle from the 60s. In 60s green/yellow paisley! Just like in Jeannie's bottle in I Dream of Jeannie. Anyway, as we were oohing and awwing, I saw Laura staring at some one. Wee Chris Geddes had come in and was staring at Laura. And she was staring back! There were trying to stare each other down! Of course, Laura won and without a word Beans ran off back to wherever he being wee previously. But from time to time throughout the interview, he'd peep back in a throw evil glances at Laura's back. (Didn't hear that in her post, now did you?) The interview itself was quite lovely. We talked for a long time and Richard was both charming and informative. I asked about masturbation references, Laura Bush and Dr Who. Hopefully, next week you can read the transcipt on Friends of the Heroes and hear the edited version on WXDU. The quote above, by the way, was his comment on Sinister. Apparently we also use it for international sexual highjinks. If this is so, I am missing out, yo! As we were skipping out, Miss Sarah Martin was walking in. I jogged up to meet her and said a few words of support and encouragement. It was quite lovely. And this I say, is the official history, despite whatever scurilous rumours one might hear. We then retired to mine for a Shindig. There was cheap beer and roasted meat products and fudge. Laura ended up in my bedroom with a boy named Ben, going through my personal effects (And this is a Great Book, too! Here's a cool CD!) Who says Porn Stars don't move fast. But i can't be critical: her help was nigh invaluable in building the grill and finding the theater. Then we went to the show. It was, of course, lovely and ran something like this: "Some instrumental number -- Judy is a Dickslap?" Expectations Step into My Office Baby Wrapped Up in Books SLOW GRAFFITI!! I'm a Cuckoo Women's Realm Travelling Light Beautiful (where he pulled out the lyrics -- JE) Dylan in the Movies (Stance like a surfer) Stars of Track and Field Dirty Dream No 2 Asleep on a Sunbeam Mike Piazza Dear Catastrophe Waitress Jusy and the Dream of Horses Roy Walker Sleep the Clock Around You're Just a Baby There is the curious parenthetical statement about surfer above, and also this added to "Judy" : "Drums break, Stu cusses like a sailor,even though it was last night he was dressed as a pirate." I feel from this document in her own hand, we may gain critical understanding of the Llew and her writinf process. Anyway, after we popped over to the James Joyce, had a beer and popped home, since the clientele there was extremely sexual ambiguous and scary. Bye! GayJay -- "The Posby falls into a Trance In which it does a little Dance." Edward Gorey _________________________________________________________________ Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to sign in enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From meow_zzz at xxx.com Thu Oct 30 23:31:52 2003 From: meow_zzz at xxx.com (michelle) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:31:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: Atlanta photos Message-ID: <20031030233152.47646.qmail@web60309.mail.yahoo.com> Hello there sinister! � Laura already shared the set list for the show in Atlanta, so I won't do that again. But, I do have some photos from the show...I wish they were in some sort of order, song or otherwise. I can tell you this, Stuart was wearing the turtleneck before the pirate shirt and he sounded (as well as the rest of the band) so lovely. It was a wonderful night, Atlanta is a swell place. they are here: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/meow_zzz � enjoy! michelle ===== "Summer comes and gravity undoes you You're happy because of the lovely way the sunshine bends Hiding from your close friends Weeding out the weekends Candy left over from Halloween A unified theory of everything Love left over from lovers leaving Books, they all know they're not worth reading It's not for the season..." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ASTROPOP20 at xxx.com Thu Oct 30 23:55:21 2003 From: ASTROPOP20 at xxx.com (ASTROPOP20 at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:55:21 EST Subject: Sinister: DC photos Message-ID: Hey anyone have photos from the DC show and the set list? do tell all Neil www.plantingseedsrecords.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From daisygreenlight at xxx.com Fri Oct 31 03:29:28 2003 From: daisygreenlight at xxx.com (miss lou) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:29:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: it doesn't pay to be smarter than teachers, smarter than most boys Message-ID: <20031031032928.30292.qmail@web60206.mail.yahoo.com> hello, sinister. well. perhaps i was too harsh about old dear catastrophe. for something i don't like, i do find myself listening to it quite frequently. like. every morning when i get ready for school. in the beginning, i told myself it was because i was trying hard to like it. because, i said to my roommate, perhaps i owed it to the band in some way, or at least to the glory i always derived from said entourage. but today, when i carried the little orange circle down the two flights of stairs to my car, i realized halfway to the university that the real reason i was listening to it every day was because, well. i kind of like it. and i remember thinking, as other people have said, that i would never really like the album as much as i might eventually because it was released in the wrong weather. but today, as i was driving through a classic autumn in nebraska (overcast, windy, cold enough to almost bite your ankles), i had a sneaking suspicion the belle and sebastian had released those songs during the perfect season. i can say that i love the hell out of piazza. and i don't feel badly about that at all. as for the rest of it, well.....it's growing on me. so there. maybe i was wrong. *** and saying that, i have been thinking i am wrong a lot of the time about a lot of things. knowing this, though, apparently does not stop me from speaking out about those things i consider. i apologized for something i said in a class last week. it's one of those english classes in which the graduate students choose to continually, at 10:30 in the morning, bring out all the largest words in their personal lexicons and string them together into sentences, almost disdained that they must lower themselves to such a plebian verbal structure. so i said something about poetry. about dante, to be exact, and the nature of his narration in the divine comedy. and as soon as i said it i felt inferior for using 'normal' language to say something that didn't feel as immediate or important as what everyone else was saying. and i usually never do that, even if i do doubt what i am saying. i suppose i want to always speak with the strongest of voices. i have heard the voice of my poetry is strong, and i like to think that is a true extension of me. but when do you know what to say with strength? in recent weeks, i've said things with confidence and full belief at the time i said them, and later, i wondered if i really believed in the words -- or any feeling behind them -- at all. it makes a girl lose confidence, you know. all that doubt. about life. and language. and love. and the love for all the preceeding. my professor sent me an email after the class. and he said i should never apologize for what i say. he said he was glad i said what i did, and that he thought it was an important point. he is a good man. and when i read those two sentences. i thought maybe i worried too much about trying to figure everything out. about trying to decide what is right and wrong and when it is right and wrong to be one or the other. so maybe i will say things even if they may only be right at the time i say them. maybe the rest works itself out later. *** and to that person who sent it, thank you for the crush vote. say hi. because this is me saying hi to you. xo.lou. ===== www.somewhereinbetween.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From innerlemming at xxx.com Fri Oct 31 05:19:27 2003 From: innerlemming at xxx.com (laurel lemming) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:19:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sinister: Chicago Concert Quick Report Message-ID: <20031031051927.63342.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Dear, dear Sinisters, Tons more tomorrow, but for any of you who just have to know now, here's the setlist: Some instrumental surfy thing Dear Catastrophe Waitress Step Into My Office, Baby Wrapped Up in Books Seeing Other People Travelling Light Expectations Beautiful You Don't Send Me You're Just a Baby Stars of Track and Field Piazza, New York Catcher Asleep on a Sunbeam I'm a Cuckoo Women's Realm The Wrong Girl (sung in the style of Johnny Cash) Judy and the Dream of Horses Roy Walker Sleep the Clock Around Encores: Stay Loose Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying The picnic was a wild success. More tomorrow. Oh, it was so brilliant! Laurel Lemming __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. 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