From mark_e_hester at xxx.com Sat May 1 14:10:04 2004 From: mark_e_hester at xxx.com (Mark Hester) Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 14:10:04 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Botanically Glaswegian Message-ID: Grrr...so this is the Bank Holiday weekend and it's wet. There was supposed to be a little local mini-festival type thing taking place on Ham's Piece, a field a short distance from my house, but I suspect it'll be a washout. Mind you, one of the bands playing is called Gimpsuit so maybe it's best avoided anyway! I'm going to see Franz Ferdinand at Brookes uni student union tonight though, and it has to clear up for Fun in the Parks (funfair! band tent! soundsystem tent! Japanese noodle bar!) on Monday - doesn't it? With any luck I shall also make it up to Needles Wine Bar, Clipstone St. for this too: SETTLEFISH (rare uk visit from italian deep elm records bruisers specialising in powerful melodic heaviness) THAT FUCKING TANK (baritone guitar and drum terror duo from members of kill yourself - duck and cover!) PRAGUE (london indie-rock three - or is it four? - piece in denial that its not '94 anymore) MY DEAR KILLER (nick drake meets gastr del sol) SUNDAY MAY 2nd - doors 19.30, first band 20.00 One of the bands here meant the original e-mail didn't make it through my work e-mail's Inappropriate Content filter - no prizes for guessing which. Great news Linda about June 12th. I this is the definitely opportunity to *finally* visit Glasgow on that weekend....it is really rubbish that i haven't been before, I know, any offers of floorspace greatly appreciated.... Listening to the Wendys version of Can's Yoo Do Right at the moment, a brave choice of cover if ever there was one! Mark. _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lleweth at xxx.com Sun May 2 07:51:09 2004 From: lleweth at xxx.com (Laura Llew) Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 06:51:09 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Extra twp tickets to 2nd Day of Coachella Message-ID: I have an extra two tickets to the second day of Coachella (when B&S plays!) if anyone would like them. If you're interested, please contact me. My apologies for any list abuse. In my five years on Sinister I've been a good little girl but now that I've hit my adolescence on the list I'm spurting into rebellion. It will be wine coolers and making out behind the bleachers from here on out. xo, Ll _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dearpaperclip at xxx.com Mon May 3 13:23:11 2004 From: dearpaperclip at xxx.com (Astrid Wiezell) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 14:23:11 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Obscure compilation CDs, love and rain. Message-ID: Dear Sinister (oh look, formal!) How are you all? I am very happy and content right now, since I guess I've gotten myself, well... a boyfriend! ME! I know. And it's not like I hide my sicko sense of humour, my pervy jokes or my inexplicable need for taking in chocolate of some form every day. It's just nice, and we kiss and have fun and he's probably like the best person in the world. Mmm. LOVELY, and everyone likes him, which is always nice because it's hard when you hang out together with your friends and they don't like him, but they DO. Yay! Enough about that, though, because I'm sure it's the least interesting thing to read about. I recieved a CD last Monday, yes a week ago, from our old Sinisterbite Tom, a.k.a. corduroy boy, yay! It was nice, I had hardly heard any of the bands which is nice because you're bound to at least like something. it had lots of great stuff on it, like bearsuit, franz ferdinand (that i of course had heard before), joy zippers and tons of stuff i can't remember. oh yes, someone called half man half biscuit, but i was warned that it might be too english for me. I think not! I like The Streets by the way, Mike Skinner seems very nice. Plus he's got this really cool bracelet, silver and it's... oh what's it called, like the crap Pamela Anderson movie, er, oh yes! Barbed wire! I got Original Pirate Material when it came out and I still love it! I am waiting for my history class to begin, i am sure it will not be very much fun since i'm not really a fan of having history. It starts in 30 minutes. I have ice cream at home, and right now all i want to do is to go home and eat it, now, now, NOW!! Sorry. It's just who I am. Love it or leave it. Kat have updated the website a bit, still no photos and the worst design ever since there isn't any, but if you still want to take a peek: www.katsite.tk Should work, but if not, go via the unfancy address: www.geocities.com/yelp_of_pain and PLEASE write in the guestbook! It is empty beyond words. I don't know why, but myself and Amanda, the nowadays blonde since her toni & guy hair fashion show (she got an offer of modelling when we were out walking about in Stockholm) are getting really nostalgic about Miami, we just want to go back! It was hellacious some days, especially since the evenings were so hot we thought we'd die, but we want to go to New York now, and live our lives. Stockholm sucks, it is boring and horrible, except sometimes, like when i think about me and said boyfriend. because he plays in a band and he is really active with playing and they know other bands in stockholm, and we met one guy whilst out on town who was really nice (not a trademark for Swedes) and cool (he could've been in the strokes!) and who was a one man band. it made me feel like it's ok to do stuff the nonconventional way. You see people, there are a lot of crap bands consisting of about 4 - 5 teenage boys, who always give you that bemused look when you say you only play your music with a guitar and two voices, it's that "Oh, I thought you meant a BAND!" look. Just because I don't play shite evanescence-alike music. Sod off. Also my project work for my three year, which we will be getting as much time for as if we had that subject for a whole year, has to be done with other people! Other people?! What happened to individuality? I hate working with others (sorry supposed team spirit). I have to get my way with these things, especially something as big as this! I am going to make some sort of weirdo music project where i'll probably record a little something and maybe put up a show in school with those songs. But i might get one of my best friends Sanna to do that with me, and that feels better. My fingers are starting to hurt, I better end. Oh. And by the way. I showed my B&S tape with videos for The Boy last night, he thought most videos were nice, although i must admit i'm giving him a hard time for liking Isobel. Haha. Thanks Paul Arathoon for giving that tape to me, it was probably the nicest thing anyone ever did for me! Take care people, and still: I like getting e-mails. Hear from you soon, hopefully, love Astrid xx _________________________________________________________________ Hitta rätt på nätet med MSN Sök http://search.msn.se/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dirtyvicar at xxx.net Mon May 3 21:47:04 2004 From: dirtyvicar at xxx.net (Dirty Vicar) Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 21:47:04 +0100 Subject: Sinister: remember you're a womble Message-ID: hello readers, I am writing to you from Dublin City Ireland, where we have been hosting some get together of important European fellows and welcoming our new friends from the East into our happy Euro-family. As part of this I went to a fair where some Portuguese fellow gave me a little bit of white port and some Irish guy who was working for the Cypriots gave me some sherry-like concoction. It was most enjoyable. I also caught some musical performances by people from around Europe. The best were some group of lovely ladies who are basically the Slavic world's answer to the Corrs. I think they will prove to be a great success, as they have all the elements that make people like the Corrs (lovely ladies, elements of folky music) only the lovely ladies are even more lovely & revealingly dressed than the Corr-women, and they jiggle around a lot more. Furthermore, the music seems like it is truer to the real spirit of folk music than the Corrs' pop-folk stylings. These all conquering sensations have great things ahead of them, but sadly I cannot recommend their name to you as I didn't catch it. I am excited about the way B&S are having a free concert in Glasgow on the very weekend I was going there for a meetup of another internet forum. This is an excellent development and one to be encouraged. I will look forward to seeing some of you there. meanwhile... didn't someone (Ian Watson?) bemoan the lack of ATP reporting back. Maybe no one went - apart from me. I was very impressed by the bands I expected to be impressed by: Sonic Youth, Le Tigre, & ESG. I realised that I had forgotten how good Bardo Pond and Tindersticks are. Vincent Gallo was a bit disappointing. Fursaxa seems to be endearingly artistic and destined for great things. That's about it really. Oh, except that the Chris Geddes DJ slot was surprisingly rub, especially when compared to the set that came before it. eh... that's it for now, hang loose, DV +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stugardiner at xxx.com Tue May 4 12:40:20 2004 From: stugardiner at xxx.com (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 12:40:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Where is my home again? Message-ID: I heard B&S on the radio while I was having my breakfast yesterday morning. Not much special about that, you might think. But I was a bit surprised to hear an obscure album track - Family Tree - on daytime radio. But what's really surprising is that I was hearing it while having my breakfast in Lhasa, capital of Tibet. Truly, the band's reach is worldwide. Of course, one thing about travelling in Tibet is that you have to address 'The Tibet Question'. Namely, whether the Chinese occupation is a good or bad thing. Now if you listen to most people in the West, you wouldn't think there was a question. It's a simple answer, right? The Tibetan culture is being destroyed by the evil and oppresive Chinese government. Simple. Well, actually, no... It seems there's lots of well-meaning but ultimately ill-informed people in the West when it comes to Tibet. They view this place as some kind of paradise, ruined by the Chinese. It's simply not true. For starters, they conveniently forget that until the Chinese took over, Tibet was actually a dictatorship run by the Dalai Lamas and their advisors - just because they're religious doesn't make it any better. And that Tibet was actually only an independent country for about 40 years. And that before then, the Tibetan army regularly invaded China, at one point occupying and sacking the old Chinese capital of Xian. So much for a peaceful serene nation. These same Westerners seem to think it's a tragedy that Lhasa and the other towns have changed - well, hate to break it to you, but London's changed in the last 50 years too. The Chinese have brought (and paid for - Tibet wouldn't have them otherwise) electricity, running water, even paved roads. Do we really have the right todeprive the people of these things just because it would make a better photograph??? The people are much better off, much wealthier, better sanitation and living conditions etc. And they know it. To mis-quote Full Metal Jacket, it seems they would rather be alive than free... On the flipside, of course they don't have freedom of speech here. But then, nobody in China does. A lot of monasteries and religious items were destroyed in the cultural revolution 40 years ago. Same as in the rest of China. But they're being repaired and rebuilt at a startling rate; they're open to anyone again; and even the Chinese government officially regret the cultural revolution (the people behind it were executed years ago). So what's my point? That there are two sides to any story, and in this case in particular, what you hear in the West is horrendously biased. Personally, when I look at both sides, I conclude that Tibet is better off being ruled by China, it's just that (as with all of China) it would be even better off if the government changed. Independence would not be good for the people here. If you look at the facts and conclude differently, fair enough; the important thing is to consider both sides of the sotry first before jumping to conclusions. That's one of the biggest thing that all this backpacking has taught me - there's always two sides to the story. To Western eyes, it would make sense to prosecute the Khmer Rouge for what they did in Cambodia (killing one third of the country's population in just four years). But the Cambodians have decided not to dig up the past in the interests of reconciliation. Whatever you conclude, yoj have to take that opinion into account. Another example - in February I met a man in Vietnam who used to be a teacher, before he fought with the Americans for the South Vietnamese army. After the US left, he was forced to become a farmer; only twenty years later was he able to set himself up as a motorcycle guide. He said that he doesn't like America, because the US deserted them when they had enough money to keep on fighting and decided not to. Now, you might not agree with him - I don't myself - but it's a view you never hear in the West, that needs to be considered. Why am I saying all this? Why break the habit of several months by actually posting something, only to talk about politics? Because I think it's important. And because pretty much everyone I meet at home - and so probably most people on here - completely misunderstand what's happening in Tibet. And it causes resentment of the Chinese, which is unfair. And also, maybe some people back home put a little bit too much trust in the liberal media... You want some more content to go with the rant? Erm... Well I did have a picnic on the roof of the Potala Palace last week, does that count? I've not even seen the I'm A Cuckoo single yet, and I don't know if I'll be back in the UK in time to go to the gigs. Sorry... As if the politics in Tibet wasn't complicated enough, I'm headingback to Nepal in a few days time, where things are much worse... When I was there last month, there were people killed every day, up to 500 people in one battle, street protests, national strikes every week... Big Stu PS Let's see how easy it is to send an email which mentions politics out of China! _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kg11053 at xxx.com Tue May 4 16:33:18 2004 From: kg11053 at xxx.com (Kim Girton) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 08:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: After 4 years, it's prob'ly a bit different. Message-ID: <20040504153318.21175.qmail@web50208.mail.yahoo.com> Holy Crap, it's the Sinister List, and here I am *not* lurking. Hell must be enjoying a nice cold spell... Actually, there is a reason I post and that is to say this: I need your help (in the form of advice, not anything you'd miss once given away). The last time I was in the UK was four earthly rotations ago, and by the grace of Whoever Oversees World Travel Opportunities, I get to go back! In just over a week, I will be on my way back to London, Edinburgh and Dublin. That wasn't a chronological list, but the story still applies. THE NEXT FEW DAYS I'M FREE AND THERE'S A TRAIN I WANT TO CATCH I'm so excited! The problem is... I'm not exactly sure what I'm excited about, specifically. I'm going into this trip having not really planned at all, because planning things too much can be dangerous and then vacation might be not so much a vacation as a pseudo-business trip. And what I DON'T need is a pseudo-business trip. So my question is obvious, of course: *can you please tell me what I have to see while I'm there?* I have approximately three days in each city, and even though I'm escorting my mother and meeting up with my father who is there on business, I will be on my own for most afternoons and the nightlife, which I've never seen in any of the three cities, so I'm open to all suggestions. London: I've already done Covent Gardens, Carnaby Street (which I've heard lately is going downhill -- your opinions on the subject are welcomed), and the usual touristy things like the Globe and Abbey Road. I've already been told that I have to see the British Museum, so what else should I definitely see in London? Dublin and Edinburgh: I've never been to either and don't even know where to start; not even with the touristy crap. These two couldn't be MORE open for suggestions. So any and all ideas would be GREATLY appreciated! You can email kg11053 at yahoo.com, and since my junkmail filter is on, just put something B&S-related in the subject line so I don't accidentally delete you... Thanks for your help in advance! And for reciprocity's sake, if anyone is ever headed to the Washington DC area, I can let you know where/when to go where the insane number of other tourists WON'T be swarming and therefore piss you off, and I'll even invite you along on my weekly walk past the White House (on my way to weekend soccer games), where I've discovered you're allowed to throw up the finger in His Fraudulency's general direction, but you're just not allowed to SAY anything rude without getting cross looks from security... Thanks all, Kim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From staralful at xxx.com Tue May 4 18:58:21 2004 From: staralful at xxx.com (Jonathan Skinner) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 18:58:21 +0100 Subject: Sinister: at the round earth's imagined corners..... Message-ID: my dear dear sinister shall i compare thee to a virtual Byzantium. um no. SO anywaay how is everyone? i for one am not well, i have a cold my head is all stuffed up and i can't think straight- this is doing wonders for my uni exams at the moment, sat the first of two english papers today but then i have a week until my next set of exams which is means my head should be clearer by then. Damn it belle and sebastian playing glasgow and .01 cent flights from Dublin on the exact same day that i have organised my Parents 25th wedding anniversary party, why oh why belle and sebastian did you not organise this about 26 years ago so that i would have known to throw the party a week earlier/later or on their actual wedding day. nice to see political discussion taking place on here and although this makes light of the discussion , remember when the simpsons go to china town and Tibet town is inside a barbed wire fence and the tibetens being beaten up. anyway i digress have seen some great bands here recently, calexico two weeks ago , who through various circumstances i met , then there was rodrigo y gabriella (i think in gabriella i have found the woman i want to have my children with , which caught me off guard considering i don't particulary want children) but for her i'm willing if she is, but unfortunatly i think rodrigo has that angle covered. If they do come your way though , do go see them , fantasic guitar duo , mexican but based in Dublin the closest type of music i suppose is flamenco but it isn't really, there is elements of jazz , tango , and soul and during one particular solo rodrigo broke into the bassline of 7 nation army. the same night we were treated to a metallica cover as well. she uses her guitar more as precussion than a stringed instrument- *sigh* on the organised day of fun ie, "day of welcomes" on saturday saw a great little cork band called fred. they are corks closest thing to hipsters and are very very good. actually the whole european festival thing they had going on was great. In the english market ( food market with fresh fish and olives and breads etc) they had an international foodfair with the emphasis on slovakian dishes. One bar in town was giving free guinness to locals who could name all 25 countries and foreigners who could ask for a beer in irish- they had a helpful sign up which i thought was quite considerate of them and obviously profit margins were quite good. right i need someone to change the channel and pat my head godspeed one and all jonathan +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From greenstar33 at xxx.com Tue May 4 21:03:02 2004 From: greenstar33 at xxx.com (Tamra Ann Thomas) Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 16:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: coachella bliss Message-ID: <20040504200302.90D6C3E71@xprdmailfe8.nwk.excite.com> coachella was beautiful. it was hovering around 110 degrees (about 40 degrees in non us measures) during the show, yet people were still dancing and singing along. i was lucky enough to stand next to some fans got just as silly as i did, making me feel less...well, silly. many people waited in the long line to tell stuart and the kids hi earlier in the day when the sun was even hotter, i thought i was going to get heat stroke at that point, so i asked someone to request a song for me and hid in one of the tents waiting for the thrills to start. everything was great, even the heat, it seemed to draw people together, i still can't believe that i did it. i don't have a set list, but i am sure that someone else does, i just know that it was good. see some of you tomorrow nite at the seattle show... tammy. there is no silver lining on a mushroom cloud-ny times _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stoutrobin at xxx.com Wed May 5 17:28:22 2004 From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout) Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 16:28:22 +0000 Subject: Sinister: PATRICK MOOR;ES TELESCOPE Message-ID: Dear Sinister: Sorry for being out of touch for so long. Among other things, apart from being a lazy bum, someone broke my hand when I was trying to touch their knees, and my hand went all inflated like a marigold glove, and about as much use. It didn't help when, feeling a bit better, I used my rubber hand to open a door and it sort of slid off said door and got squashed in it, making the situation somewhat worse. Ah well, mustn't grumble. ATP was rather good. I met IAN THE DIRTY VICAR and RENER and NAL and DANKE, too, who looks like that bloke off top BBC "sitcom" My Family. Belle and Sebastian are playing Glasto! How about that? I'm going to Glasto too, blinkin eck, ARE YOU? I know some of you are.. Is the siniglasto mailing list still around? I think it's time for a revival. Good to hear they're releasing their Cliff cover as the next single, too. Along with two new traxx - Your Cover's Blown and Your Secrets. The second of these they played on the radio and it's rather splendid. The first sounds quite good from Stuart's description of it here, too: http://www.belleandsebastian.co.uk/home/ , and if you're not that bothered about buying the single you should still click on that link if only for the picture of the lovely girly. I was walking down the street the other day, on the way to the bus stop, and I saw Mick Cooke. Well, it looked like him, anyway. He was walking past a massive poster hung over a shop, which says, in six foot high letters: "WALE'S BIGGEST COMPUTER SUPERSTORE". Well, indeed. It's almost as bad as that advert for PATRICK MOOR;ES TELESCOPE i saw once. They'll have to make sure they keep things like that out of shot when they start filming Doctor Who here. I read somewhere that one of the episodes is going to be about the Daleks attacking London. I hope they film that one in Cardiff too, but from funny angles to pretend it was London towne. They'll have a tough job: I think we've only got one building over three storeys high. I'm going to try to get a job as an extra, too. OH HEAVENS ABOVE! THE DALEKS ARE COMING TO TAKE OVER WALES, um, i mean, THE WORLD!!! I reckon they can't refuse me with acting like that. bye then Robin _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kristerbladh at xxx.org Wed May 5 17:50:09 2004 From: kristerbladh at xxx.org (Krister Bladh) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 00:50:09 +0800 Subject: Sinister: On the Radio Message-ID: <20040505165009.9918B23ABD@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com> Greetings my fellow Sinisters! Be advised, (everyone able to listen in on Swedish radio) an hour of the Gothenburg concert in March will aired on Program 3 on Monday 10th of May at nine o'clock pm. Actually, everyone will be able to listen to it on www.sr.se/p3/live after monday next week! just thought i'd let you know Chris -- ______________________________________________ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From bubba at xxx.com Thu May 6 20:28:55 2004 From: bubba at xxx.com (Jeanette Eastwood) Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 12:28:55 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Denver, anyone? Message-ID: <409A91F7.6060709@ktc.com> Pssst. Hey! You! Yeah... you... the kid in the back.... Are you going to the Denver show? I'm not, but I have two tickets. And the seats aren't too shabby. It's too late to get the tickets in the mail, but I can tell you where the seats are, in case you want to fill them. Let me know. I'll whisper the secret info into your ear. Thanks to Tamra for Reporting Back on Coachella. We could use a little more of it, doncha think? Later. Jeanette +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From qvantity at xxx.com Fri May 7 22:45:23 2004 From: qvantity at xxx.com (peter malcolm) Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 14:45:23 -0700 Subject: Sinister: B&S @ Warfield April 30th Message-ID: It wasn't until we were actually in the car, said goodbye to the babysitter and backing out onto the road that I realized the tickets hadn't arrived. How is it possible that I could have anticipated this for so long, and gotten all excited about all day, but not noticed that the tix were in abeyance? So we had to get to the show in 2 hours, it's a Friday night, it's 45 miles up US101 to San Francisco, we've got half a tank of gas (it's dark, and what are we wearing?). What can a person do in these circumstances except keep driving? I had ordered those tickets in February on the first day they were available, and poxy Ticketmaster had 3 months to get them to me and failed. I think that says something don't you? Anyways our people (me) called their people and got promised a "lost ticket voucher". But it wasn't there. Rather than call back for a "lost lost-ticket-voucher voucher" we prevailed upon the kindly staff of the Warfield to call their magic connections and get us in! Which they did! The Warfield is a sumptuous old palace of a theater in one of San Francisco's tatty downtown districts, not far from many geographical features mentioned in "Piazza, NY Catcher" i.e the Tenderloin, statue of Willie Mays etc. I had never been there before. At the entrance I was patted down by a nice security lady but no WMD were found (as is so often the case). So the show is about to start but it's the support act, a pleasant quartet comprising a leader-guitarister, female Cello and Viola continuo, and additional guitarism by a creature in a red cape who was introduced as "the creamy-soft brick". I think. The band or assemblage may have had a name; if so, it was not vouchsafed to me. At such times one's mind grooves about the auditorium and busies itself with other things, viz., will they play my 3 favorite songs of the moment (Str. Bn. Jean, Dream #2, Marx'n'Engels), why does a big of skittles have to cost six bucks, and, I wonder if anyone here is older than me? Hmmm.. he is... that guy is... those two women are.. that geezer with the white hair... not many really. Is it my fault to have been born too late? What shall I do with this oldiness that has come into my posession? Is it a tragedy? Yes it is, no it isn't. And then all at once just like that the band is on and playing a surfie-style song. And it was good and unbelievable and there was the very Stuart Murdoch of whom we have spoken, and the lovely Sarah, and the lovely everyone else and Bobby who looks just like me from 20 years ago. At the rear of the stage on the left was an area where up to four anonymous string-players did their part, on the right the asymetrically positioned drumkit, in the center on a riser a vast cave of keyboards to be played by a huge cast of characters up to 3 at a time. In front we have the central Stuarting area, with stevie tucked in just behind and to stage-right. Further right we get to Mick's mic with asoorted brass plumbing positioned within handy reach. Further out is the bass playing zone with no mic stand. The entire front of the riser from about the middle out across the drum kit was a row of guitars or guitar-like objects arrayed for easy selection. On the left is the Sarah zone with a chair and bits and pieces. Behind her is another pianoid keyboard with a seat and a mic. The lighting had swirly patterns (one resembling "Creme Saver" hard candy") that twirled and panned around the stage, plus two big yellow square floodlights aimed at the audience for moments of extreme agitation. Here is what I can remember of the set althought the order is probably quite, quite wrong. (the aforementioned surfie number) dog on wheels beautiful step into my office bub dear cat wait if she wants me piazza asleep on a sunbeam i'm a cuckoo you don't send me wrapped up in books scooby driver I fought in a war the model wrong girl seeing other people wandering days are over stay loose the encore (i think) - get me away i'm dying sleep the clock around Also in the middle the band took a wee break and Stevie at center stage bwgan soliciting requests (of a musical nature). Stuart was still bouncing around beside him and engaged in banter with nearby audience segments. It emerged that it was the birthday of some guy (or his disembodied voice anyway, I couldn't see) and his name was Nico. Nico! says stevie, and embarks upon "I'll be your Mirror" to reflect vott you ahh, in case choo donnt knoh - originally sung by the late Nico on the velvets's banana album as you well know. Scooby Driver was lengthened, seemed like an extra verse. At the end of "Step into..." Stuart sang "...since after Carter" instead of "...Thatcher" but no-one really noticed the cunning substitution. Also another cute trick, in "You Don't Send Me" they sang "...there ain't nothin you can do to - (pause) - surprise me", the surprise being the little hiccupy syncopation at that point. Well I liked it. You may notice that none of my 3 wishes showed up in the set :(. I didn't expect to get Marx&Engels but I thought Dirty Dream #2 was at least possible. Oh well. In the live setting the monster arrangements of the DCW songs go over very well especially the big set piece Stay Loose. What a wonderful time we had. And the queues at the parking building by the Sony Metreon were quite short really. I wonder if there was a a party afterwards? Love from The Quantity. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dearpaperclip at xxx.com Tue May 11 08:33:18 2004 From: dearpaperclip at xxx.com (Astrid Wiezell) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:33:18 +0200 Subject: Sinister: London calling Astrid Message-ID: Dearest Sinister, There are certainly shite ways to start a day, although mine is only semi-shite. I had a nice cosy morning with The Boy but knowing we'd be apart for 9 days (which is a lot harder than it sounds, especially when you are all loved up) made it worse. And so, I ended up having five minutes before my bus left to get ready. Me being vain, loved up and known for my lack of prioritising made me be late for school, this important in-class case study but lo, for had i not also forgotten my keys, making it impossible to go and do the case study since notes are required? Oh indeed I had. Right now I am a bit angry, feeling gross because I didn't have time to shower (why not confess it) and because I MISSED OUT ON THE RADIO-AIRED B&S SHOW FROM GOTHENBURG. Sometimes I want to hit myself, hard hard hard with something very sharp. Argh. I'm such a moron. But it WAS worth it in cuddletime though, mm-mm-mm. Also, The Boy has lended me his cassette-porta-thingy, so Kat kan record a lo-fi demo while waiting for the studio to get free. I borrowed a microphone and a wire or cord or whatever the right term is, from the youth club where Kat rehearses. Ah yes, hahah. How much has it costed me? NONE. Sod off, evil system, I can do without you. All by adding the magic word: please. Also, had revelation that Crappy and crappiest might not be words, but instead I should say crap and crappest, someone said crappest on tv yesterday and I felt a bit stupid for maybe using the incorrect form. Josh Ritter also, is coming here soon. E-mailed his manager today, because he told me to do so three weeks before the gig, and it is three weeks before the gig. Hope I can get in! Speaking of Josh Ritter, Chris, where art thou? I miss our e-mails about Damien and stuff. BY THE WAY BRITISH SINIS: I am coming your way. I'll be in London (Sutton) 17 - 21 June, oh yeah baby! Oh wait, how cheesy. Haha. That sounds STUPID. Forget I said it, I just got a pre-shopping spree jitter in my stomach, damn it will be so nice. Just so you know. If there are any sinister arrangements or whatever that weekend, but probably not. I'm going to visit my sister, so I'd just be able to there shortly anyways, since I come there to hang with her. Maybe I should go buy breakfast. I am hungry, and warm and I can't really remember why I started writing this. A shout out to: Nathan Reader (I'm on my third letter now, but they all just become too un-updated before I send them, but I'm working on it so HOLD ON!), Chris as mentioned above, Ian Watson (I am impressed by thou), Ken Chu of course, Hugo JohaN, Vilkas (how did the ladyfest go?) et al. Shit, I love you sinister! Astrid x Ps. STILL: www.katsite.tk Sign - the - guestbook. And thanks Anders, JohaN, Marisa and the mysterious yet intriguing Anonymous American Guy. And Krister! Heja Sverige friskt humör! Good thing you don't know Swedish. I am such a TWIT. ... Oh right, I was supposed to stop writing. Off for breakfast, it is! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From spreadthelove at xxx.com Tue May 11 16:18:38 2004 From: spreadthelove at xxx.com (Bruno Schmidt) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:18:38 +0000 Subject: Sinister: another audio documentation Message-ID: hello fellow sinisters, don't know if this is for all, but i'm sure some would be interested in it. sweden's p3 aired 57 minutes of the b&s gothenburg show, which i conveniently recorded. it's a great set with lots of joyful noise from the crowd. drop me a line if you are interested in a possible trade. bru _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From BanCabbage at xxx.com Wed May 12 19:03:20 2004 From: BanCabbage at xxx.com (BanCabbage at xxx.com) Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:03:20 -0400 Subject: Sinister: Sheffield picnic Message-ID: <539AD1D2.28CD6C54.0A8A040E@aol.com> Hey Sini's! This one will be short and sweet as AOL doesn't seem to want me to send this message. Sheffield Sini's: Picnic on Saturday 15th around lunchtime in perhaps the botanical gardens. Sound good? then e-mail me if you want to come; and I'm sorry for the short notice I thought I"d sent a e-mail about this before but it turned out I hadn't. Plus do you mind if some other folk come along from Offbeat? Ta -C +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From charismarisa at xxx.ca Fri May 14 00:18:34 2004 From: charismarisa at xxx.ca (marisa stroud) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 19:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sinister: fess up! Message-ID: <20040513231834.16376.qmail@web60005.mail.yahoo.com> Perhaps I do, in fact, have too much free time, but what did my wandering eye spy in the "I Saw You" section of last week's The List? "I SAW YOU on the Belle & Sebastian cover. Dear, dear, catastrophe waitress get in touch." I accuse you, Goody Sinister! One of you, anyway. Hands? Eh, it made me giggle. And, it would seem, post. Speaking of Belle & Sebastian, I'm very pleased they've announced this concert in the Botanics this June. Firstly, because it's a free B&S concert in the Botanics, and secondly because it helps me figure out when to get my flight home to Canada: ie After The Concert. Still not much more specific than that, tho. Baby steps. marisa ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ruthball at xxx.com Sun May 16 17:13:46 2004 From: ruthball at xxx.com (Ruth) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 09:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: my voice Message-ID: <20040516161346.56585.qmail@web12501.mail.yahoo.com> yes it true. my patience has finally paid off and ive been given my voice on the mailing list. i nearly didnt find out as well as the email telling me had been sent to the bulk mail folder.... stupid yahoo. just though i'd introduce myself to you all, i dont think that was against any of the rules on the extensive list was it? if it is im very sorry *cowers*. well now... im Ruth and in less than a week now i will finally leave that purgatory named high school, specifically marple hell... sorry hall school near manchester. ill admit to being a little scared but mostly im relieved because even though things have been good for the last year or so the school holds some bad memories for me. i think theres something begining with "e" which im supposed to be doing after i leave as well but i cant quite think what... was it expeditions? or possibly it was examples. what ever it was im sure it wont be too much of a problem although people keep telling me that i should be doing something called "revision". im not entirely sure what they mean. anyway, teenage sarcasm aside i would like to welcome myself to the list just in case noone else does :) the champage is on me and i cant find a cloth to clean it up.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From purpletrousers at xxx.com Mon May 17 00:54:23 2004 From: purpletrousers at xxx.com (jim taylor) Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 00:54:23 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Tibet, London, Glasto, Nick Drake & Elliott Smith Tributes, love and B&S. References: <200405061722.SAA09701@missprint.org> Message-ID: Ok so I've bitten my hands long enough. I've decided to respond to big stu's Tibet/china thing. Last night at Carsmiles 30th (props to the London massive who showed there faces, simply too many for me to start to mention without missing some out) someone mentioned it, and I couldn't help chuck in my twopenneth. I said to others I greatly respected Stu's braveness to stand against the tide/go against the grain. I wish more of us would do this. But strongly disagreed with stuff the Chinese Government want us to believe. I perhaps shouldn't have been surprised at how strongly others I spoke to also disagreed with Big Stu. It's really odd to be reeling (well, hopefully creatively responding rather than reacting) against - i my opinion - indoctrination form a Government other than the US or UK. But first off Happy 30th Birthday + Wedding Anniversary to Mr+Mrs Carsmile/Steve. welcome to your thirties Steve. It's not so bad see? And only 6 weeks to Glastonbury! It sounds like I might be joined in the Buddhafield tent by a sinister-bod other than the one I bump into at the London Buddhist Centre. That B&S+Buddhism yahoo subgroup really isn't so far away :) I'm not sure there will be sinister-group shamanic journeying at glasto though will there? Check out Dharmarucci if anybody fancies it in the greenfields. For those unhappily without tickets I can only offer my empathy, together with gratitude to Ian Anscombe for the tip that enabled me to get mine. Next year sounds like it'll literally be a lottery. For those with no interest in Glastonbury, you *might* not know what your are missing. And B&S are playing. Talking of favoured artists, a little bird by the name of, well the man himself, tells me that the parish's very own Stefano Santabarbara will be an honoured performing guest at the Nick Drake Tribute event this summer. It's free, and marks the 30th anniversary of Nick's death. 21/8/04 Tanworth-in- Arden, Warwickshire. I know loads of us are big Nick Drake fans, so thought you might like to know this. details so far are at http://www.geocities.com/ndtg2004/index.htm Might I suggest the likes of The Pines, the Foxgloves or our very own Chris Leonard form North of the border might offer their services too, should they be so inclined? Indeed perhaps I might finally get to hear the Red-bull dozers for the first time (if I remember the name right mr Chu?) well anyway. If any of said performers need a nearby place to rest their heads I might be able to help out chez the parents, though I'll be zipping off back down South to see the Pixies at big corporate festival the following day. (any Brixton tix spare anyone?) Also the Elliot Smith London Tribute show is I understand coming along in its planning stages. I'll post whenever there is some concrete news. Some folks are working really hard to make this happen so support when it does (for charidee of course, will be more than essential please!) and if you happen to be in a band called Belle & Sebastian and want to play at it, I'd imagine it'd be worth contacting the organisers through the yahoo group. erm...whose details I can pass on. Tibet. it's off topic? well no actually, for me it's not. I've written and referenced the importance of politics to B&S themselves, their fans/lifestyle, etc etc, I won't reference myself again, but search the archives, read, then e me off list if you disagree. *please*. I'd much rather be challenged that anyone harbour resentment. I'm not going to go over Stu's points one buy one, as I'd spend longer than you or I have doing that. Instead I'll provide this link as a starting place, which it's unlikely you'll choose to click on... http://www.freetibet.org/info/facts/home.html it really is hard to know where to start with stuff Stu said. I'm not in Tibet. He is/was. I suppose I'll have been present at testimonies of torture in Tibet during my Amnesty International Days c1992-1996 at Uni, read a wee bit, been a member of Free Tibet for a year or two and then having been drawn to eastern philosophies, and been involved in Buddhist centres etc for a few years [to the point that when someone asks me if I'm a Buddhist, I finally am answering yes] it's natural I take a bit of an interest. I also believe there are others on-list probably better informed than me. I'll avoid the Tibet/Buddhism history rant as well. I'm not a Tibetan Buddhist (I'm more pic'n'mix FWBO for anybody that cares) but I have friends who are. It is fair to say Tibet compared to Nepal locally, or many many many other states worldwide, might be over-represented in the amount of activism done in its name overseas, BUT it is reasonably unique in it's frequently non-violent (and thus primarily unsuccessful) defence of itself in so many ways. That for me is why others get involved. If only the US & UK answered calls from pressure groups to reward peaceful activism/opposition instead of or in unison with wielding the big stick, they might have got a lot more respect/support for the anti-terror campaign. I won't use the word 'war' in that context. it's too silly. Safe to say I strongly disagree with a significant amount of what Stu says, to the point that I'm genuinely surprised to read some of it. 'Nuff said. As Bucks Fizz didn't say, make your own minds up. For once I have more 'real' content. I've said to a few people how I've come to the conclusion that I've maybe never really forgiven B&S for stopping being B&S circa 1996/1997. I've said to people that the friends I've made through Sinister are even more important to me than the band. Certainly Sinister has probably kept alive an interest in a band that might have otherwise waned at times. Many people have understood this, yet said DCW has swung them back to our heroes, and I think whilst my swingometer took a while to warm up, I'm glad to say I'm more excited to see them than I have been in many many years. The Saturday seems to be the Somerset House gig people I know are going to. (usual apologies for London-centricity). Will be m'ladys first B&S experience which will be exciting for us, as Glasgow is looking increasingly unlikely which grates rather. Rather than being Grate. Free gig. mmmm. It's an odd one, not being able to let go of an era of a band that you loved so much, to the extent you probably don't objectively enjoy newer material as much as you might, as if you'd discovered them around that later time. I guess it is a sign of just *how* much I liked/loved/adored b&s then. this isn't meant to be the indie snobbery I'm sure it reads as. maybe it's me owning that a little bit? I know I've spoken to many current/ex-sinister types who can relate to at least part of what I'm trying to say. I've never felt like wading in to discussion of new material and moaning its not what I want from them, harping on about the moment I heard the state I'm in on Peel's Festive 50, etc etc. I do know what I'm like(!) Maybe part of the resurgence of interest is because I can relate to the opening lines of 'If you find yourself caught in love'. That always makes things interesting doesn't it? I'm actually a bit excited about a release too. An indie funk Bohemian Rhapsody? Next I'll start begging to fill the myriad of gaps in my not owning lots of unreleased stuff. (not very subliminal warning to people that know me). It certainly is a delight to be able to lend the complete works of Belle & Sebastian to a virgin (not virgin radio [I think] ) listener and share in their enthusiasm after early listens to TM & IYFS. I look forward to re/discovering some of the later stuff that I didn't allow myself to get into, quite as much as I might have. Yours unapologetically (for the politics) jim x PS http://www.boycottmadeinchina.org/ I never got let into a premier oils shareholders meeting to kick off about their stuff in Burma (they conveniently didn't process stuff in time) but it is a bit satisfying when activism actually works, and companies like Premier Oils have to listen to shamed major shareholders. I don't do as much as I should these days, stuff like Oxfam + Friends of the Earth's email campaigns are pretty easy ways to email/fax your MP/MEP etc) , but I'm not going to apologise for a considered view that happens to coincide with a 'liberal majority'. PPS I do appreciate the irony of the fact that as 'she' (m'lady) is flying to China as I speak, it's pretty likely I'll be owning a small gift that was indeed made in China soon (!) A bit like my boycott of the Israeli Tivali vegetarian foods, then buying a US made veggie-bacon thing instead! It's not easy is it! http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/boycotts/boycotts_list.htm oh and while your at it http://www.boycottbush.net/consumers.htm I think it's ok to go to the park and kick a ball though. well, maybe that depends where you buy your ball ;) is there anybody else I can upset? probably, I better not go on. I see Michael Moore is battling shareholders of US film companies etc to get a release for his new film. Good-oh! did I just hear a Pinefox rustle in the distance, or was that my imagination? thank you for indulging me. back to the wilderness. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pykachu100 at xxx.com Tue May 18 01:17:06 2004 From: pykachu100 at xxx.com (Kenneth P Y Chu) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 00:17:06 +0000 Subject: Sinister: don't leave the light that never goes out on baby Message-ID: Hey there sinisters, How are you all? I see you guys have been busy! With all of your travellings to tibet and nepal and planning trips to england and sheffield picnics and things! Me? I travelled all the way to Highbury Fields the other day, from Holloway Road, it was like 2 miles from my house dude. It wasn't very important that i tell you these, but I tell you anyways. I got very drunk that night and then I had to walk through the park, and i was falling asleep and so I put on my iPod and listened to IYFS all the way home, and I even sang Like Dylan In The Movies out loud when I was walking through the park. And some guy heard me singing it and BEAT THE SHIT out of me! It fucking hurt. So please stuart next time when you give warnings about not looking back when walking to the park, please also included warnings about singing along to the song that is warning about me walking through a park? On your own, if they follow you don't look back like dylan in the movies on your own, if they follow you by the way if you sing along to this then you are through! oooooopps too late sorry ken chu. (notice the amazing rhyming there - i was listening to The Streets just earlier and I think I've caught the rhyme) In other news, the beepy bits of the start of "I'm a cuckoo" was featured briefly on "changing rooms" of BBC1. Nice. Ken _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stoutrobin at xxx.com Tue May 18 13:47:08 2004 From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:47:08 +0000 Subject: Sinister: TEA CUP OF DOOM Message-ID: Hullo: I made a cup of tea the other day, and accidentally spooned a heap of salt into it instead of sugar. Now I can't let my lips touch a cup of the life-giving liquid without the memory of the horrible taste running up my tongue and flapping in my brain like a pigeon up a chimney. It's horrible. I really don't know what to do. Possibly I shall die of thirst. Does anyone know what happened to Rhoda in the end? Struan made a competition a while ago for us, the general biscuit nibbling, elbow-patch wearing public to record our own versions, saying the winner would be released as a b-side to a single. Was this just a lie? If not, did Ken win? If not, why not? EH? Whose legs are these? I'm rather tempted to send him a recording of me playing Rhoda on my slide trombone. He would love that. I could do some fancy slides to liven it up a bit when it gets boring, like that verse about cornflakes. Slides on my trombone, I mean, not on a slide projector, although that would liven it up too, especially if they were slides of people's bottoms. I could also do funny noises on my trombone that sound like people blowing off. To accompany the slides of people's bottoms, perhaps? That would make it loads more fun. I reckon Struan would love it. Robin xxx _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE connection, FREE modem and one month's FREE line rental, plus a US or European flight when you sign up for BT Broadband! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From purpletrousers at xxx.com Wed May 19 01:17:20 2004 From: purpletrousers at xxx.com (jim taylor) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 01:17:20 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Fw: Lost and found, and lost again - Elliott Smith (+Nick Drake stuff this saturday) Message-ID: I couldn't find Ian's E.S. obituary [forwarded at the bottom] in the archive, so I'm not sure if it ever got through last December? I wanted to read it again, having thought of Elliott Smith a bit recently, and thankfully found it in an old sent mail folder. His name keeps appearing in my inbox re: this London tribute to which I don't have time to contribute in the organising... there is a fund to donate to though: The Elliott Smith Memorial Fund - financial support for children who are victims of abuse. http://www.sweetadeline.net/esmf.html 888888888888888888 Since people seem to be interested: more Nick Drake stuff : This Saturday the BBC are really going for it- For those I guess mainly in the UK/able to get the digital TV channel BBC4, a film I've missed at various screenings and festivals for a few years now: NICK DRAKE: A SKIN TOO FEW Saturday 22 May 2004 10.55pm-11.45pm BBC 4 http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/music/features/nick-drake.shtml and on the radio + thus available to all online I presume (SEE I DON'T JUST THINK OF THINGS LONDON + UK :) 21:00-2200 Lost Boy: In Search of Nick Drake (presented by Brad Pitt!) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/r2music/documentaries/nickdrake/nickdrake_about. shtml So erm, set the videos, tape recorders. In fact if you have a DVDR and happen to be not using it and like doing random acts of kindness? Ok, maybe that *is* abusing the list... I probably shouldn't bore you with the fact there is a nick drake single out (yesterday) and album (next monday) worth getting of different stuff and one brand 'new' track. Jim x Ian's words on Elliott Smith follow, and deserve to be archived somewhere *I* think. I hope you don't disagree... (see below) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim taylor" <> To: Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 1:15 AM Subject: Fw: Lost and found, and lost again - Elliott Smith > So erm, this was quite fresh when Ian wrote it. I eventually asked him if > he'd mind me passing it on to you lot. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Anscombe" > To: <> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:36 PM > Subject: Lost and found, and lost again - Elliott Smith > > > > Lost and found, and lost again - Elliott Smith, a tribute, of sorts. > > > > > > I never had all your albums. > > > > I never stood, shivering in the cold, outside Wolverhampton Civic, > > desperately hoping I'd be able to get in to meet you. I haven't done > > that in a while, since I met Kirsty Maccoll and it didn't go as planned. > > > > > > I couldn't quote the lyrics to all of your songs. > > > > But I'm sad, today. > > > > I want to turn round to the people in my office and ask them... 'isn't > > it terrible?'...'have you heard the news?'.... but they would look at me > > oddly and say 'who?' and go back to their own worlds, where other things > > matter more. > > > > A friend wrote to me, to talk about it. He said he'd taken you for > > granted while you were around. I had to agree. We'd been to see you, > > both of us, on separate occasions. Mine was at Glastonbury, in the year > > 2000. You were just about to make it big - or big in our terms, those > > strange, precious terms of those of us who like quiet, sensitive, > > beautifully strange music just a little bit too much. > > > > I don't remember what you wore. I assume I wore what I wore all weekend. > > I do remember, though, how the crowd went quiet towards the end as you > > stood, shyly, in front of us, performing slices of your life for our > > entertainment. I remember how the words of loss, loneliness and hope > > moved me and how I encountered unplaceable feelings as the words: > > > > Don't go home Angeline > > Stay with me > > Hanging around > > At the lost and found > > > > Swept out towards me, and into the evening outside, where a festival > > continued and, beyond that, into a world that lived oblivious to us. > > > > I had your albums on my shelf - below the ever-changing list of > > favourites - Mercury Rev, Belle and Sebastian, The Aislers Set, The > > Fieldmice, Galaxie 500 - you were there. If I didn't pay you enough > > attention it was only because the other distractions were so wonderful, > > so simultaneously happy-and-sad and achingly beautiful and warm that I > > couldn't let them go while the love affairs lasted. > > But I knew you were there. Sometimes, I'd come back to you, think I'd > > like to see you more, and then not do anything about it. > > > > > > I was shocked yesterday. You see some things coming - Kurt Cobain made a > > living out of sounding suicidal. Nina Simone had been dying slowly for > > years. It seemed better that she went than shuffled on in the deranged, > > bitter fashion she had adopted. Barry White made me smile, but he never > > moved me like you did, he was never one of 'mine'. Even pretty little > > Zac Foley wasn't such a blow - he'd always belonged to my friend Jo. She > > found him first, and kept him. > > > > But you were a little secret I had to myself. And I realise that's > > preposterous on one level - anyone who ever sat through 'Good Will > > Hunting' would have heard your songs - those and the sight of Matt Damon > > without clothes being the only things that could entice me to sit > > through it again. You were lauded in the music press, though some of > > them set you up to knock you down, but that's their way. You were > > compared to Nick Drake. I saw the comparsion. I didn't know you'd follow > > it through to its logical extreme. > > > > Part of me wants to say you're stupid. Part of me wants to say look at > > all the people who struggled to stay alive. Look at Kirsty Maccoll -who > > gave her life to save her child - who gave it for something important. > > And you threw yours away, or so it seems. > > > > Incidentally, I mentioned you when Kirsty died. It made me sad, she'd > > been a favourite once upon a time, but she'd already slipped away. or I > > had. I mentioned that you were one of my new friends, and I hadn't > > needed her any more. > > > > I can't say the same this time. So, I took you for granted, but that's > > what people do. That's how we live, and get through the days. We have > > too much to think about as it is. > > > > And you never would have noticed if I hadn't. I was just a blip on a > > sales chart. Nothing important. We only met the once, and I had to share > > you with several hundred people. > > We won't meet again, clearly, except when I play those songs, and think > > of how they made me feel, and how they could make me shiver, and bring > > a warm, happy sort of aloneness. > > > > So, I won't call you stupid, because I know that isn't true. You did > > something selfish, but, ultimately, that's your prerogative. I wish it > > hadn't happened this way. You felt different. You were a little boy who > > made it big and so many of us who watched you felt the little boys > > inside us smiling slightly as you grew. > > > > There will be a posthumous album. I'm guessing it will be your biggest > > yet. You should have stuck around, and seen it through. Now, we'll have > > to do it for you. > > > > > > I never had all your albums. > > > > I never stood, in the cold, outside Wolverhampton Civic. Ever since the > > day I embarrassed myself in front of Kirsty MacColl, I've been wary of > > meeting my heroes. > > > > I couldn't quote the lyrics to all of your songs. > > > > I never knew you. > > > > I'll miss you. Good luck, wherever you are. > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > It still moves me to read Ian's words now. Not a lot you can say after that > is there? > > The only useful thing I might do is point people in the direction of a > favourite Australian singer-songwriter of mine, TIM OXLEY. If at least one > good thing could come of ES's death it might be it prompting me to bang on > about this guy in Sinister land. I immediately thought ES when I heard one > of TO's songs, and indeed he references ES (as well as Bonnie Prince Billy) > in his songs on the gorgeous 2002 album 'It's All About Love'. Which does > what it says on the label. > > I understand said CD to have received the ginger-fox seal of approval too. > > check the discussion boards through the Sweet Adeline ES website for tribute > events if they haven't already happened in you area. I'll try + post when > the London tribute event finally gets sorted out. > > Jim x > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From lulou at xxx.org Wed May 19 16:58:11 2004 From: lulou at xxx.org (Linda Kerr) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 16:58:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Belle & Sebastian News Message - New Single and Video details!!! (fwd) Message-ID: No news of Rhoda in this one, sorry, Ken. All this choice is just so confusing! I'll have to buy them all... Linda xx ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 15:49:41 +0000 From: Belle and Sebastian Reply-To: "listmanager at banchory.net" To: "lulou at crockery.org" Subject: Belle & Sebastian News Message - New Single and Video details!!! Hello all, After a hectic weekend finishing things in the studio, we can announce that Belle & Sebastian's new AA-side "Books" is to be released on June 21st in UK and Europe. It'll be available on three formats:- The Enhanced CD single will feature "Your Cover's Blown", "Wrapped Up In Books", "Your Secrets" and "Cover (Version)", as well as the video to "Wrapped Up In Books" and a Books computer game. The DVD single contains "Your Cover's Blown" (with cartoon gallery by Marc Baines), the video to "Wrapped Up In Books", plus "Your Secrets" and "Cover (Version)". Lastly, the 7" single will feature "Your Cover's Blown (edit)" and "Wrapped Up In Books". The video for "Wrapped Up In Books" was co-directed by Stuart and Blair Young, and stars Alex Klobouk (Germany's reknowned Catastrophe Waitress) and Gisela Hans. You can vote to get the video up the NME/MTV2 charts by visiting http://www.mtv2europe.com/mtv2europe.com/nmeChart.jhtml In other news, B&S have confirmed appearances at the Glastonbury and Benicassim festivals in the UK in June and Spain in August respectively. Also, Devendra Banhart has been confirmed as the opener for both the Somerset House shows, with The Shins playing as well. More info on all these shows can be found in the "On Tour" section of the website at http://www.belleandsebastian.com/tour.php We've made some more t-shirts recently: Sarah has a new 6 colour B&S logo which is printed onto navy unisex and light blue girlie tees, plus a cute wee enamel badge with a chicken and egg design on it, by our good friend Marc Baines. We're STILL waiting on the enamel mugs to arrive, but hopefully they, a new "Profiles" shirt, poster and special souvenir surpise item of merchandise will be available in time for the Glasgow Botanics show on June 12th. In any case, you can still purchase items online by visiting http://www.banchoryshop.net and clicking on B&S. That's it for now, get voting on the vid and we'll have more news for you soon! Cheers, Katrina @ Banchory. http://www.belleandsebastian.com http://www.banchoryshop.net http://www.wrappedupinbooks.com To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit http://www.belleandsebastian.com/mailing_list.php +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stoutrobin at xxx.com Thu May 20 10:28:35 2004 From: stoutrobin at xxx.com (robin stout) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:28:35 +0000 Subject: Sinister: FW: Calling London Message-ID: Hallo sinipops, It's leafy and green round here, and the flowers have unfurled and tickle my nose in the morning. This particular morning, as I ate breakfast, I found a pink pigeon perched on the apple tree outside my window. He looked exhausted. His feathers were in disarray and his moustache was drooping. I put down the Racing Post and invited him in for a cup of coffee (tea is still too much to bear), and he told me his story. He had flown all the way from Sweden, he said - yes, Sweden! "Well, your English is excellent", I said. "Oh, it's only pigeon English", said he. And, as his moustache began to perk up he told me he had a letter for all of you. "From Simon", he said, "You may remember him, and you should pay attention to what he says. He's a very important person. I've flown a long way for him, and I'd do it again." He dropped the leter on the table, and with a quick tip on Brassy Lad in the 3.30 at Chepstow he hopped, skipped and flew out of the window. I opened the letter; this is what it said: >----------- >The letter. >Subject: Calling London >------------ > >Hello Sinister! Remember me? I've actually been on the list for quite some >time, but the old address with which I once subscribed won't let me send, >only receive... so it's been awfully quiet from me I guess, though someone >might remember the old Sinister Village site (which actually still exists, >but is nowadays hardly visited - maybe it is now a ghost town?) which I >made for you. Oh, it's still at http://move.to/sinistervillage, but the >message board doesn't work :( > >So anywhoo, the point... I know I put it here somewhere... oh yes, I'm >leaving Gothenburg, Sweden for London this summer, for two months starting >sometime in the middle of June, and it would be really super to hook up >with some people. Especially since I don't know anyone in that awfully big >city of yours. I would love to just hang out, get to know the city, the >clubs, have a few too many beers... oh yeah and make some music maybe, and >record some songs, because I'm probably gonna bring the old laptop and some >instruments... > >Please mail me at simon.aurell at home.se. I'm really friendly and I won't >bite. > >Hugs everyone, >Simon _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE connection, FREE modem and one month's FREE line rental, plus a US or European flight when you sign up for BT Broadband! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dirtyvicar at xxx.net Thu May 20 21:48:04 2004 From: dirtyvicar at xxx.net (Dirty Vicar) Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 21:48:04 +0100 Subject: Sinister: exterminate all the brutes In-Reply-To: <80256E92.0035488F.00@oirgateway.oireachtas.irlgov.ie> Message-ID: hello there, I am going to begin with a bit of politics. If you are bored with such things, skip on to the end where my old friend and quaffing partner Mad King Ken tells us how he got on at B&S' recent concert in San Francisco. Like Mr Purple Trousers, I was interested by Big Stu's comments on Tibet. I can't claim to be an expert on the Tibetan situation, but I do think that his conclusions are based on some shaky assumptions: i) that Chinese rule has been good for Tibet This is at best debatable. In any case, my suspicion is that most Tibetans would rather be in charge of their own destiny rather than have to defer to some apparatchik appointed by the Beijing junta. ii) that it's alright to invade countries if they have regimes you find reprehensible. This is what we might call the Bush doctrine. Now, I'm not saying that a theocratic Tibet ruled by monks would be an ideal state, but the idea that mass-murderer Mao Zedong and his heirs are somehow fit to be lecturing other people on how to run their country is not overly convincing. iii) that it's alright to invade countries who have only been independent for forty years or less. My own country had been independent for less than forty years when China invaded Tibet, so I find this view rather objectionable. I do kind of agree, though, that there is a certain so-whatness to being in favour of a Free Tibet. The complicity of the West in Tibet's subjugation is fairly minimal, given that China is one of the few independent countries left outside the Anglo-American orbit. OK, so you could say that by trading with China we are assisting Tibet's occupation, but if you didn't trade with human rights abusing countries then you wouldn't trade with anyone. A comparison with the occupation of Palestine is instructive. The Israeli state is heavily bankrolled by the USA, allowing it to spend American tax dollars to kill Palestinian children. The UK and Germany lend Israel important diplomatic support. The EU generally has cravenly declined to invoke the human rights clauses of its trade treaty with Israel. So if you live in Europe or the USA then, thanks to your government, you (like me) are kind of complicit in the slow mass murder of Palestinians. This is not good. Moving along from politics, I was in London last weekend at Carsmile Steve's birthday and wedding anniversary party, where I had fun. I met MarkH who affected not to recognise me because my hair is a bit shaggy at the moment. I also met other people (like the Finefox) who seemed to know who I was. It's amazing how hot it is in London. Small wonder that Freikorperkultur is so popular, with people loafing around in half nothing. I also like the way you can buy magic mushrooms in shops on Oxford Street. That rocks. I've booked into a hotel or guesthouse or something in Glasgow for the B&S gig thing. Someone asserted to me that the place I am staying in is not very nice in some way, but I can't remember in what way. I hope I am not staying in the Hotel McStinko. OK, that's enough of that. Here is Mad King Ken on his concert: > say them play in the warfield last week. good gig although i was > standing in front of a really annoying 50+ drunk american hick who kept > shouting for the 'Boy with the Arab Strap' or to be precise ' Give us > the Strap' when he wasn't calling out for 'FreeBird'. he then went wild > when they played 'Sleep the clock around' and fell over bring down a > couple of friends who were with me. they need to enforce a higher > quality control of their audiance. This is all a bit "Stooges", if you ask me. bless you all, DV +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dearpaperclip at xxx.com Fri May 21 23:39:26 2004 From: dearpaperclip at xxx.com (Astrid Wiezell) Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 00:39:26 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Shameless promotion, Sweden and, well, love. Message-ID: Hey Sinister, Hope you're all doing ok. Wrote a longer post before, which I was actually quite content with, until I pushed unknown button and IT ALL DISAPPEARED. Argh. Makes me a wee bit tired. Anyways. Am with boyfriend Mats in his hometown of Falun, which is three hours by train from Stockholm. His band High Heels is a great acoustic pop band, often leaning towards the melancholy side, and they are really a nice band - i've come up here to watch them play tomorrow on a one-day-festival. In any case, their website is: www.high-heels.xix.nu and you should all go there and download the song "We'll stay the same forever" off the demo with the same name. They sing in harmonies and have the cello and piano and sometimes trumpet, and acoustic guitar and bass and stuff and they RAWK! so, go there and download them. Kat, well, we are going to be on a compilation cd for a swedish website (www.blandband.nu) (translation = www.mixtape.nu), a Swedish nerdo site for music geeks, and there are so many people in bands there that it was decided to compile a cd with some of them. And so, we are going to be on it. And we're trying to record the wee lo-fi demo, it is going quite well, and now i will get the instruction book and it might go even better, ha ha. I have no technical skills what so ever. A lot of people coming to Sweden it seems, well, ok, only Ian and Olivier, but still. Anyone else? Also: Richard is one of the funniest people ever, and i wish he lived here so we could sit in cafés and drink coffee (well he could - i don't) and talk talk talk. He is one cool dude. Now, I'm soon going to go to bed and sleep, I'm just waiting for "my man". I have no idea to approach this people, what to call him when talking to people, or stuff. I don't know, I just go with the flow or whatever, and then I do say the odd thing now and again, but fuck it. He is lovely and amazes me with his talent (makes films, very musical person, takes beautiful pictures AND writes well, HELLO Astrid's low self-esteem, still weird pride about him has arose in me - two quite contradicting feelings but i think i like it) Did you lot know Kat is a drug? I got reminded by someone, but it turned out it was just like this African sort of tobacco or whatever that you chew, so it's not really the most offensive thing... she said until she stood there, waiting to get lynched by crazy right-wing people who claims i am drug liberal and therefore MUST DIE since i am making their kids go crazy for kat (the drug, not us). Hmm. Don't know where that came from. Also, me and Mats watched two good films in two nights. Yesterday we watched The Pianist by Roman Polanski, with Adrien Brody who was really great, the whole movie was great actually. And then today, we watched Kitchen Stories, or Psalmer från Köket as it was called in Swedish, which was a great Norwegian film. Anyways just wanted to say: *Kat's website is still: www.katsite.tk *Having someone to hold you at night was lovelier than I ever imagined it would be. *DOWNLOAD HIGH HEELS! www.high-heels.xix.nu *Richard: I will write you a long letter of reply on Monday! Don't fall asleep grading! *I SCORED BEST IN MY ENTIRE CLASS ON THE NATIONAL TESTS IN ENGLISH - ALL THREE PARTS! YES! AND I'M NOT EVEN A NATIVE SPEAKER LIKE MANY PEOPLE IN MY CLASS ARE! HAHA! Take care, hope to hear from many of you since I am quite positive I might actually love you all, Astrid x _________________________________________________________________ Auktioner: Tjäna en hacka på gamla prylar http://tradera.msn.se +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From BenL at xxx.org Fri May 21 23:56:55 2004 From: BenL at xxx.org (Ben Lee) Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:56:55 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Shameless promotion, Sweden and, well, love. Message-ID: 1. Spent a day in Malmö two weeks ago. Took a train across Øresund from København. Fantastic place. 2. Saw the trailer for Psalmer från köket. Looks very interesting. Have to wait until the local indie theatres pick it up, which is probably never. Come on, Camera Cinemas, get your act together. -B -----Original Message----- From: owner-sinister at xxx.org] On Behalf Of Astrid Wiezell Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 3:39 PM To: sinister at missprint.org Subject: Sinister: Shameless promotion, Sweden and, well, love. Hey Sinister, A lot of people coming to Sweden it seems, well, ok, only Ian and Olivier, but still. Anyone else? Also, me and Mats watched two good films in two nights. Yesterday we watched The Pianist by Roman Polanski, with Adrien Brody who was really great, the whole movie was great actually. And then today, we watched Kitchen Stories, or Psalmer från Köket as it was called in Swedish, which was a great Norwegian film. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From idleberry at xxx.com Sat May 22 16:19:01 2004 From: idleberry at xxx.com (idleberry) Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 08:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Cliff and Sebastian Message-ID: <20040522151901.83907.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Well hello my pretties I thought I�d come out of hiding for a moment and make a post. It feels like such a long time since my last one. In fact, it was. About 5 months ago, or so. You�ve not missed much from me. I split up with my boyfriend, and I got a promotion at work, and I�ve been drifting around that place called Bowlie, where I�ve discovered it�s far easier to upset them than it is to upset you. I hate to tell you kids, but you just aren�t twee enough. Must try harder. Go outside and flounce around in the flowers for a bit of revision. Especially you, Mark Casarotto. I think I had a dream about Ken Chu the other night, although I can�t remember what happened. It might have been worthwhile telling you about. Can I just say: CONGRATULATIONS TO PAUL �GINGERFOX� FIELD, WHO GOT MARRIED (I hope?) TODAY. AND TO THE NEW MRS FIELD. So, I presume you�ve all read this from nme.com? it was only a matter of time I suppose. BELLE AND SEBASTIAN's new single will spell an unlikely payday for CLIFF RICHARD . The Scottish indie veterans release the AA single 'Your Cover's Blown' / 'Wrapped Up In Books' on June 21 through Rough Trade. However, the band have owned up to 'Wrapped Up In Books'' similarity to 'In The Country' by Cliff Richard, and handed over 20% of the royalties from the track. http://www.nme.com/news/108587.htm I think Cliff Richard should do a cover of a B&S song. I haven�t actually thought this out properly though, and decided on which song he should cover. Mind you, that�ll teach them not to nick harmonies from an artist who isn�t dead. They should have stuck to Nick Drake. As usual, I�ve got bugger all anything interesting to say. Unusually, I am actually going to use this as a stop point, rather than ramble on forever. Love Idles ===== http://groups.yahoo.com/group/corduroysmoke/ starting playground gossip and passing notes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From vanillaflavoureddavid at xxx.com Mon May 24 07:10:04 2004 From: vanillaflavoureddavid at xxx.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Hewitt?=) Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 16:10:04 +1000 (EST) Subject: Sinister: a deductive technique involving mind-body coordination operating hand in hand with the deepest levels of intuition In-Reply-To: <20040522151901.83907.qmail@web41104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040524061004.32558.qmail@web61109.mail.yahoo.com> G'day all. Idleberry said: > Can I just say: > CONGRATULATIONS TO PAUL “GINGERFOX” FIELD, WHO GOT > MARRIED (I hope?) TODAY. > > AND TO THE NEW MRS FIELD. And I'd just like to append my own congratulations to hers. Ooh er, missus. They did, in fact, get married, and the missus and I were there, along with a couple of other (ex?) listees. Except we got there a bit late, or the ceremony started a bit early, or something, and we had to sneak in and sit behind all the relatives and real friends, in the 'freaky internet people' section. Paul and Katie both looked radiant, the priesty-looking bloke in the white frock up the front said what I assume were all the right things, and there was even another bloke singing and playing guitar at the appropriate moments, who Jeremy and I agreed was actually pretty good. We saw him driving a heavily-bestickered Combi van away from the church later on, while we were trying to avoid being the unknown and underdressed smokers lurking puzzlingly in the background of each of the photos of what was bound to be a long-remembered day by those into whose family albums the photos would eventually be placed. The food at the reception was awesome, though we couldn't stay quite as long as we would have liked. The happy couple seemed, well, happy - at least they were after they were able to sneak off for a cheeky wee, having been bailed up in formalities and formal attire for what was probably hours. The relief was palpable, even at a distance. Paul even forwent (is that the correct past tense?) watching the FA Cup Final that night. How's that for romance? Or at least I assume he did. I guess he might have been able to catch at least a bit of the second half. Nah, he's far too much the gentleman for that. You know, I tried to delurk a while back, with a rant about how rubbish 'Fans Only' is, and a few other bits of gristly unpleasantness, but my emails were rejected. This has been much more pleasant all around, I suppose. Oh, and I don't know dick about Tibet, but my hat's off to Big Stu for speaking his mind. It seems like there's only one correct or acceptable way to talk about politics these days, and it's both boring and frustrating. So I don't know if Stu's right, or if there's something to the points that have been raised in opposition to him, but I'm just pleased that there's scope for a relatively civil debate here. I'm also quite happy to accept that I have too few of the facts at my disposal to know one way or the other, but it's nice to hear both sides of a discussion for once, based on a bit of experience and a bit of thought, well expressed. Having as much information and as many perspectives as possible is the only way that us lucky, sheltered sods (most of us, I'm assuming) are ever really going to know much about anything, I reckon. So hats off, Stu. I still don't know whether I agree or not, but it's pleasant to hear someone's actual point of view in amongst the usual pamphleteering. The I'm A Cuckoo single was a bit rubbish, but I'm looking forward to the new one, and all that. A double A-side sounds a little bit more like it. Oh, and no more remixes, thanks. Bulk love, -Vanilla Flavoured David. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kristerbladh at xxx.org Mon May 24 19:12:41 2004 From: kristerbladh at xxx.org (Krister Bladh) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 02:12:41 +0800 Subject: Sinister: The Forgetting of Wisdom Message-ID: <20040524181242.C139D21AFF9@ws5-6.us4.outblaze.com> Good evening (or morning (I suppose you got better things than checking your Sinister-mail during Work Hours! (it could be weekend though))) (honestly, I didn’t write this just please the god of parentheses) ...now, I always manage to think of things that I should ask you people when I’m as far away from a computer as possible, but I’ve tried to get a few things together here. First of all – I suppose you know as much about Felt as members of a Felt mailing list – which CD do I buy to get all the singles? All these Stains On a Decade, Absolute Classic Masterpieces volumes 1 to I don’t know just makes me dizzy. And I noticed someone asked for tabs to Wandering Alone. If anyone answered that, could you please send me a copy? You see, I’ve got this song with the same chords, but I can’t work out which they are. Trust me, it’s about as infuriating as coming to school at 8 o’clock just find out that your lessons in the German language There, I’ve done it again! Forgotten it all. Maybe I shouldn’t listen to the song in the subject line anymore (by the lucksmiths) (but you knew that). Too bad b&s aren’t going to same festivals but me. But hey, I get to see Bright Eyes, Tompaulin, Lovejoy, Ladybug Transistor, Boyracer, Bearsuit, the Shins, Go! Team, Electrelane, Franz Ferdinand, Essex Green und so weiter. Don’t mean to brag. Now it’s off to bed/work for you Sleep/work well And don’t let those bed bugs/superiors bite Chris, out of work and unable to sleep (the latter because of the former) -- ______________________________________________ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From teacandlelight at xxx.uk Tue May 25 13:34:45 2004 From: teacandlelight at xxx.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Aurora=20Borealis?=) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 13:34:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: initiating initiative Message-ID: <20040525123445.1221.qmail@web86403.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> ok, i've had enough if someone doesn't show me how to play a bar-chord properly in the next month i am going to remove ALL songs containing F's, B's, C# minors and any other variations thereof from my tab collection...certain bands that we like, not Blaming Anyone Special, have a tendency to positively litter their songs with these evil little creatures... i've had a guitar for FAR too long to be still not sounding 3 of the 6 notes every time i step off the safe ground of the CAGED based world...aaargghh. and why does it get so much easier with a capo...my arms are of a regular length, i am fairly sure.... so rants aside... nope i think that may have been about it. i did have an idea but i don't think it is either orginal or worthy of mustering a large effort for but in the interests of my own musical education i wonder... usually, i make blatant use of musical recommendations from sinister mails as a means to expand my personal music collection and i've seldom been disappointed. this got me to thinking that it would probably be worth asking u folks (if you fancy wasting an extra precious few moments at work....yep, i'm definitely a 'work' user) to tag on a small collections of bands or albums that u may profer up to a recently arrived stranger from a music free planet...i'm fairly sure this musical tree is a leafy one and i'm still sitting on one of the lower, albeit darn sturdy and life-supporting, branches. that and how to play bar chords, especially standing up... 24hour sunshine to you all ;o) politics is the new punk, good stuff. will join in shortly, just as soon as we join the EU.... ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stugardiner at xxx.com Tue May 25 15:29:47 2004 From: stugardiner at xxx.com (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:29:47 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Same same but different Message-ID: So B&S are indie veterans now then? I remember when they were newcomers. I really must have been on here too long. OK, so I send a great long email to sinister about Tibet, get quite a few interesting replies, and don't get anywhere near my email for two weeks. So, sorry everyone... So not everyone agreed with me. And others did. That's fine. To be expected. I did present a bit of a one-sided view - probably more enthusisastic towards the Chinese than I actually believe myself? - but the important thing was to present the other side of the story to what you normally hear. Hope I managed that at least. You're right - things aren't perfect in Tibet, most notably the lack of freedom, as elsewhere in China. I just don't like being constantly told in the West that it's an open-and-shut case whether things are good or bad in Tibet, when really it's a lot more complicated than that. Whatever the Beastie Boys might like us to think... I also don't like the idea that China must be a bad thing for Tibet, because of what their leaders did 40 years ago, when the destruction of monasteries and killing of monks etc actually happened. Let's face it, I wouldn't like it if people started having a go at me because of what the British government did in the days of the Empire before I was even born (and that has happened several times while I've been travelling...) On another note, a few people were asking me to explain a bit about what's going on in Nepal right now, since it's not been reported much in the West. So, if you don't care, skip this bit... About 5 years ago, most of the royal family were murdered. According to the official palace version, the crown prince went mad because he wasn't allowed to marry the woman he loved, so he got an automatic weapon out and massacred all the royals present. And then killed himself. His uncle, who was conveniently absent (along with his son) at another palace in Pokhara, became king. So far, so good. Except, if the crown prince was firing an automatic weapon around the room, how come not one security guard was injured? And how did he manage to shoot himself in the left-hand side of his head, with an automatic weapon, when he's right-handed? And how did the only other member of the royal family not present, the prince's sister, die in a terrible helicopter crash two weeks later in which the pilot was un-injured? The only thing anyone knows for sure is that the official version is a load of rubbish. And the truth? Doesn't really matter really - all that's important is what people believe, especially in a country where news spreads by word of mouth in the absence of TV or radio. So now, the Maoists, who have been violently campaigning since before then for the end of the monarchy and an agrarian state (alarmingly similar in aims and methods to the Khmer Rouge actually) are stronger than ever. They're getting money from somewhere, but no-one is sure where - officially China have disowned them, and they're not getting that much from robbing banks. Some people in Nepal even think the king is giving them money, because as long as the rebellion continues, he has an excuse to maintain absolute power. 18 months ago, the king diosolved parliament for not controlling the Maoists and being corrupt (and they were). So now the politcal parties are also campaigning against both the King and the Maoists. And every week there's a national strike called by one or the other, which paralyses the country and destroys the economy. In the meantime, things keep getting worse. Hundreds have been killed this year on both the Maoist side and in the army and amongst civilians. And the only thing rescuing the country from all-out civil war is that most of the population don't support the King OR the Maoists OR the parties. Nepal is just another example of why democracy isn't always the best answer for a country, no matter what the US government would have us believe... Anyways, enough politics. Wasn't that in the list rules once upon a time, no talk of politics? Oh well, nobody is talking about anything else these days... So, I'll get back to travelling. I love this lifestyle. I've been in four countries since last I wrote. I love the hot, sticky weather. I love the challenge of crossing a road in Saigon, or breathing in Kathmandu, or not freezing to death at Everest Base Camp. I love the people you meet, from all over the world (well apart from one nationality, best not say but anyone who's ever backpacked will know...). I love the challenges of putting up with the touts and con-artists without losing your temper. I love the food, and the sounds and smells (apart from the smell of the Durian fruit, obviously). I love the stamps in my passport. I don't love the fact that on the 3rd of July I've got to fly home... Big Stu _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From geoff_sheridan at xxx.uk Tue May 25 16:31:29 2004 From: geoff_sheridan at xxx.uk (Geoff Sheridan) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:31:29 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Bar chords et al In-Reply-To: <20040525123445.1221.qmail@web86403.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20040525123445.1221.qmail@web86403.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hullo **One line of politics: I'm standing for the Green Party in the UK European/Local elections on 10th June. Vote Green! If you live in Chadwell Heath, East London, Vote ME! **Bar chords (look away if you don't play guitar!): I can't play bar chords very well on my acoustic guitar, so I use the thumb-over-the-top method. Then you only have to bar 2 strings. An F chord, frets: 133211 Fingering: T43211 - the 1st finger bars the top two strings. The thumb frets the bass note. That's the bar chord based on the open E chord. I don't much like the bar chord based on the open A chord, so I often use one based on the open C chord - here's Eb: Frets: x65343 Fingering: x43121 - the index finger bars the top three strings. **Hewitt Sorry I didn't make the anniversary / birthday bash. I was very ill following an attempt on my life by either Gabi Roslin, Carol Vorderman, Barry McGuigan or the beardy bloke out of the Learn Direct advertisements. **Safe at last I have got engaged to my girlfriend Suzie, so the female folk of Sinister are safe once again. That's unless Stevie Trousers re-subscribes. **Speaking of Trousers I joined http://www.musicmobs.com (as 'retrocool') which takes information from iTunes and enables you to find people with similar taste. When I clicked 'similar users', Stevie Trousers was there, but which skinny, foppish, pretentious indie kid came top? None other than Nick Dastoor, whom I've never quite forgiven for being as skinny, indie, foppish and pretentious as me. And now he's got a matching record collection. Geoff +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From daisychain.amz at xxx.net Tue May 25 18:42:07 2004 From: daisychain.amz at xxx.net (Amy Baggott) Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 18:42:07 +0100 Subject: Sinister: It's only time Message-ID: <200405251842.AA175440002@keysurf.net> Hello Sinister, So, I’ve been lurking around these parts a while. I’ve not been away, I just haven’t had much to say. And that’s not to say I do have something exciting to share with you now, in case anyone was getting their hopes up unduly there. Sorry. I just saw this little quote in the Times the other day and thought of you. “My worst festival experience was travelling on an overnight ‘rockers’ bus from Scotland to see Deep Purple at Knebworth in 1984. I was 15. The only seat was at the back with the stinking denim-and-leather brigade. I got to sleep, bolt upright, between two heavies. I woke up with one of their tongues in my ear” – Stuart Murdoch, of Belle & Sebastian. Eh? Anyway, I’m not going to whinge about the fact that the free gig in Glasgow is two days before the scariest exams of my life so far and that I won’t be able to go. Because if all goes to plan, I should be seeing them at Glastonbury instead. But still. A free gig! In Glasgow! With Camera Obscura too! How cruelly fate times these things sometimes. Ah well, at least the new single looks promising. Maybe I’ll see some of you in Glastonbury Bye for now, Amy x P.S. The subject line is a truly lovely song off the new Magnetic Fields LP. Listen to it. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dearpaperclip at xxx.com Fri May 28 14:57:27 2004 From: dearpaperclip at xxx.com (Astrid Wiezell) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 15:57:27 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Performance poetry, Ian, Crap Music and THE RAIN! Message-ID: Dear Sinister, I am bored so I am writing you, sorry about neglecting you in other moods. I love you, baby (babies?) you know that. True and forevah. 4-evah!!! Sorry, i am so tired that i most probably will keep writing fake-hip hop slang that really is not funny for anyone but me and Amanda. Today, I am meeting up with the very nice Ian Watson, it shall be very interesting indeed! He is interviewing THE HIVES, yes he is one cool guy. And also my first sinisteree that I meet that is of the sinister london massive. I am worried I will not be cool enough, but if not, he can always flee I guess. Ha ha. Also, today Popaganda starts (yes you read correctly), which is a free three-day-festival at the uni in Stockholm. You have to be 18 to go there. I am 17 and 11 months. My boyfriend will be spending his weekend there. EVERYONE will be spending their weekend there. Never mind me and Amanda, oh no, we'll have FUN ourselves! We'll record songs on the cassette porta and we'll dance in our Justin Hawkins + Caleb Followill masks that we got from NME. WE WILL BE HAVING FUN. I'm just a wee bit bitter, you see, and now the rain is POURING DOWN, and I am gloating. Ha ha ha ha. Take THAT. Oh well, really, I would wish that everyone would have a nice time, or at least boyfriend + friends + other friends in general. But it is quite annoying. Today this performance poetry guy came to our school and had a show/ lecture/ performance. It was pretty damn cool, his name is Bob Hansson and I thought he'd be a "tormented" poet or something but he was pretty fucking cool, it was nice to see something uncontrolled and sort of - well spontaneous - at our school. Yes. The people with the music computer in this computer room are playing - cue drum roll - BACKSTREET BOYS! Ugly shitfaced crap band, ah I hate them so badly! Now, I've had my crap taste in music during the years, like the fact that I was quite the avid,er, Hanson fan (I WAS TEN YEARS OLD, DON'T JUDGE ME!) or stuff like that, but Backstreet Boys... I was the only one who never liked them in my class, along with the boys, and I am still proud about the fact that I never gave up in favour of their beyond crappy music. Hrrrrrr. "There's something missing in my... heeeeeaaaaart" they just sang. Hope they stay that way. I am sorry, I am not usually this evil and aggravated but I am very hungry and I don't want to go out in the rain and er, yes, I don't know, let's blame it on something more . The Josh Ritter gig is coming up, will be pretty damn amazing, I hope. I am on the guestlist + 1 for the Stockholm show (thanks Darius!) and hopefully me and Amanda will get in without any questions, would be really nice since Josh is a very humble and sympathetic man and a real joy to watch perform. Also was told yesterday that my favourite teacher in the whole school - my English teacher - is going on paternity leave all of next year... NO! I have my hopes for some other teachers that I might get now, but you never know. Hmmm. I will keep you posted since I gather you are all extremely intrigued by which person will be my English teacher next fall and spring term. I am so tired. I am so tired. I am so tired. I am so tired. I am so tired. Why? I can't remember. Oh, right, my boyfriend called me at like 2:45 a.m because i told him to call when he got home from his experimental music rehearsal and wanted him to but i was really fucking tired and now i can't seem to shake it off. Hrrrr. My day has been nice though. Organisation and leadership: my nice teacher let us watch the office (we're on the 5th episode by now, that is how many times she has let us watch ricky gervais being v. funny instead of studying business law etc.) and had brought with her chocolate. One of my best friends, Zebine had been making great chocolatey stuff to eat and brought to class, and so I ate about 70% of the content in her tupperware box. Oops. Then I had English where we performed Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller as Reader's Theatre, it went quite well I think. Hmmm. Yes, I think so. I am pleased with the outcome. Then lunch and then some performance poetry. How could I be tired, i've been doing nothing all day! Ok, must rush off and try to socialize, one more Backstreet Boys song and I will became morbide and dangerous and not armed, but then again, you can use many things to kill someone with. Weekend lovin' Astrid x www.katsite.tk _________________________________________________________________ Hitta rätt på nätet med MSN Sök http://search.msn.se/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From samwaltonyeah at xxx.com Fri May 28 15:32:07 2004 From: samwaltonyeah at xxx.com (Sam Walton) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 14:32:07 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Various Message-ID: Hello Sinister. I write with little to say, I'm afraid, although this gem in my inbox from those wonderfully thoughtful people at Amazon.co.uk was too good not to share. It's the personal touch that gets me: > >Dear Customer, > >We've noticed that many customers who've purchased albums by Various are >also interested in >music by Various. For this reason, you might like to >know that the new CD by Various is now available. > And indeed, I was interested to know that nugget of information; I am a big fan of Various after all, having many of their albums, though unfortunately I don't think I will be indulging in their latest offering. There was a York picnic a while back. I don't think anybody reported back as far as I can remember, and it seems that the time for doing so has kinda passed now. As I recall though, it was a fun day attended by the York Sinister Massiv and then more people besides. You missed out, if you didn't come that is. I finish my degree in a week. As in for good. Sam Walton, BSc. 18 years in the British education system for 10,000 words, due by next Friday, midday. I've written most of them already actually, so I should be okay. But then what? Jeeze, I don't know. The Real Life, I suppose, as Freddie M might have said. I do have a holiday booked though, which is cause for excitement and a little request: If the Sinister Icelandic Wing has any suggestions of cool places/things to go/do in Reykjavik for 5 days in the middle of August, then do be in touch. The same request applies to the New York & Surrouding Area Wing too, as I will be visiting that neck of the woods for the three weeks before Iceland. Maybe a picnic even? Okay, well I won't push it. Anyway, that's about it. love Asm.x P.S. Who else is coming to the Somerset House gig on the Sunday? Picnic beforehand? ================================ "He's strictly a pain in the ass, but he certainly has a good vocabulary" - Holden Caulfield +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From velvet_tongue at xxx.com Fri May 28 21:03:36 2004 From: velvet_tongue at xxx.com (Janice ...) Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 20:03:36 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Various (New York & Surrounding Area Sinister Wing responding) Message-ID: Dear Sinisters, << If the Sinister Icelandic Wing has any suggestions of cool places/things to go/do in Reykjavik for 5 days in the middle of August, then do be in touch. The same request applies to the New York & Surrouding Area Wing too >> This is the New York & Surrounding Area Sinister Wing responding.... hmmm, some things to do here: visit Chinatown, Empire State Building, Statue of Liberty, the Met, the MOMA, the Guggenheim ... the rounds of the museums. picnic in Central Park. take photographs in Times Square. walk around, eat in quaint caf�s in the East Village. plenty to do here in NYC... -Janice ***************** "you dance and techno fascists are never satisfied. i think you should all open a record shop for yourselves, only and ONLY containing electronica." _________________________________________________________________ Best Restaurant Giveaway Ever! Vote for your favorites for a chance to win $1 million! http://local.msn.com/special/giveaway.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ruthball at xxx.com Sun May 30 21:36:33 2004 From: ruthball at xxx.com (Ruth) Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 13:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: the saga of the 358 Message-ID: <20040530203633.96007.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> just one more example of how stupid a person can get... but i had had a stressful day! 9:00 GCSE IT(short course) exam. the questions were something along the lines of "would it be better for the company to use a computer or a box with the word computer written on it? give three reasons for your answer" and i really felt like there hadnt been much point getting up for it. 10:30 finally get let out of IT exam after finishing it in the first half hour (some more stuff which isnt very interesting) 4:45 have to catch a train in the rain for my piano lesson which will arrive and hour early 5:00 the train actually arrives... im soaking wet 5:30 i finally reach my lesson (jazz piano if youre interested. i switched form classical a couple of months ago and its great)... which doesnt start for another half hour... i sit in the shop and drip 6:30 i leave the shop and have to run to get to the train on time 6:40 i get to the station on time but the train doesnt, a scary old man sits down next to me and insists on telling me about his freind who was a ballerina but her choreographer kept telling her she was fat and she stopped eating an the killed herself. i could have walked away from him... but that would have involved standing in the rain. 7:00 the train finally arrives. after getting home i have just enough time to change before going to get the bus. i was supposed to meet my freinds at half seven 7:30 i get to the bus stop to see a bus pulling up. hooray!! a bus! i run for the bus and get on with out checking the number. when i see the sign saying "welcome to darbyshire" i begin to wonder if it was the wrong bus... 7:45 it was definately the wrong bus. im in new mills and theres a large gang of scallies loudly asking the girls behind me if theyre virgins and telling everyone how the country is rubbish and that its better where they live on one of the council estates in manchester. at this point the best thing to do is ride the bus all the way round and back again 8:00 we reach the end of the line. hayfield! and start going back. 8:30 i get back to marple, nearly go home but finally decide that since the place doesnt close till 10 i can at least turn up, see my freinds and apologise for not turning up at half seven. 8:55 the right bus turns up 9:10 i arrive in romily but thanks to my freinds sketchy instructions cant find the place and have to wait half an hour for the bus home... total time on buses - and hour and a quater total time waiting at bus stops - an hour sooo... that was a fun night but i should probably give you a proper update too. ive done 2 of my 14 gcse papers, my art display is up and has been marked but most importantly i have officially left school!!! we when to first lesson the day we left and then straight to the leavers assembly. the two bands our year have managed to form both played (rodine (www.rodine.co.uk) and homeless joe (who are much better than rodine thanks to mikes actual talent but dont have a website)). the dance class did a couple of dances involving as little clothing as possible and some of the guys did a strip (ripping off their boxers to reveal.... another pair of boxers!!) but the actual amusing part was all the teachers attempting to do the chacha slide. next the foam fight... it kicked ass! noone brought hair removal foam instead of shaving foam like they did last year thank god and i ended up with my hair stuck up like a troll doll... and looking a bit like all the non-romantic leads at the end of ghostbusters. my personal mission was to foam everyone who was only watching and not joining in. i got five of them! and then the prom! limo et al. well ok... limo to the school and then coach full of drunken skallies loudly listing everone they know who isnt a virgin the rest of the way. but we did get a wolf whistle when we were waving out of the limo... it was from an eight year old but whos counting? rodine arrived in a 4x4 limo.. someone arrived on a harley davidson (riding pillion) and everyone looked spectacular. the actual prom was like a primary school disco but with big tables. the music was all anoying so called r&b but after half an hour of complaining ashleys campaign to make me enjoy myself succeeded and i was dancing away. i was the first to take off my shoes (very painful 4 inch stillettos) and then everyone else started to take theirs off too. we even got a little break dancing circle going when they played run dmc... a lot of guys trying to do head spins and falling over :) very funny! i discovered the guy i liked is a reeeealy bad dancer but i danced with him anyway and i spent the last dance in a giant line that was like a sideways conga... if that makes any sense to anyone... so thats about it now i get a week off before my exams start properly so i probably wont have anything to say for a while (i can hear that sigh of relief) as long as i dont get the wrong train and end up in scotland! ===== RUTH __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+