From dirtyvicar at xxx.net Sun Jul 3 11:12:28 2005 From: dirtyvicar at xxx.net (Ian Moore) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 11:12:28 +0100 Subject: Sinister: beyond good and evil Message-ID: I was struck by Marisa Stroud's post about there being a secret Sinister in-crowd. I'm not one of the Sinister Illuminati, but I was hanging out with Stuart the other day, and he was playing me a rough cut of the album they are planning to release in early 2006. "We're moving in an increasingly Drum and Bass direction", he was saying, but the tracks sounded a bit more Jungle to me. I'm not sure what the Tigermilk kids will make of it, but Stuart says he doesn't care. I also was hanging out at the Glastonbury Festival. Because I fear the yellowface I was late to the meetup on Thursday, and didn't meet any Sinister types there bar those travelling as part of the ILX party. On Friday morning I hid from the thunder in my tent, and thanked Tobit for the wisdom to not camp at the bottom of hills beside toilets. My favourite acts at the festival were probably M.I.A. and Billy Bragg. And Goldie Looking Chain. I think there should be GLC/B&S joint record sometime. I'm listening to CDs I'm thinking of getting rid of. Thus far The Tyde and Miranda Sex Garden are down for relegation, while Moonshake are staying... for now. Where did I get all these records? I've also been reading the Simon Reynolds post-punk book, "Rip It Up And Start Again". It is very interesting, and I foresee that I will be listening to much in the way of angular, anti-rockist music in the immediate future. Oh, is that the time? I'd better get myself down to the chapel, they're waiting for their sermon. rock! DV +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rob_brennan at xxx.uk Mon Jul 4 10:51:08 2005 From: rob_brennan at xxx.uk (robster) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:51:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Old-Skool Sinister Reporting Back Message-ID: <20050704095108.51498.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> An announcement... The wedding of lovely Sinister lady Archel to her lovely chap Matt took place on Saturday 2nd July. The ceremony was watched via Modern Interwebcast by a global audience of many teary-eyed viewers. The reception in Seaford was attended by Sinisters past and present including: Mark C., SGS, Liz D., Ian, Ken C., Robin S and myself. In a moving speech, the newly-minted marrieds thanked everyone involved before the traditional cake-cutting. Large quantities of the local brew were quaffed and enthusiastic dancing to P!O!P music ensued, followed by the traditional Sinister pastime of doing inadvisable things close to large bodies of water. In this case, attempting to 'surf' a pebble beach on a small plank of wood. Ian won, Mark C. sadly remained completely dry. At midnight, the happy couple dashed off to spend their honeymoon in Somerset, taking with them our best wishes and Ian's jacket. robster http://friedslice.blogspot.com ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From g.lynch at xxx.com Mon Jul 4 15:45:53 2005 From: g.lynch at xxx.com (grainne lynch) Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:45:53 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Questions and Requests Message-ID: <20050704144553.0F9FACA07F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Dear Sinister, Congratulations to Archel and Matt on tying the knot. I'm sure it was an excellent party if reports of Archel's Eurovision weekends are anything to go by! I'm curious why Robster supplied us with everyone's initialled surname except Ian's, when I can think of three Sinister Ians off the top of my head! Most mysterious! When I saw the title of Robster's post - "Old-Skool Sinister Reporting Back" - I thought he had come to tell us all about the Belle and Sebastian in The Arches last month. (It was June 15th actually; the same day I failed my 3rd driving test. Boooo! to failure, I say.) They played a few new songs, according to the set-list:- http://www.belleandsebastian.com/tour.php?view=event&event=201 Were they any good? Were any of you there? And, while I have you, does anyone know how much did the eBay auction raise? Grainne. PS Reporting back from Glastonbury, Live 8 or the march in Edinburgh on Saturday would also be greatly appreciated! -- _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sunnie_set at xxx.com Mon Jul 4 22:18:48 2005 From: sunnie_set at xxx.com (Rachel) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 22:18:48 +0100 Subject: Sinister: reporting back on everything that has happened in the last 10 years (or last month at least) Message-ID: Dear Sinister Since, Grainne wanted reporting back and since she was so kind to organise the Christmas present exchange last year I feel that it would be wrong to disappoint her and I have decided to delurk for a while and do as she says. So her goes... WEDNESDAY 15th OF JUNE - B&S AT THE ARCHES, GLASGOW On Wednesday 15th June I went to the arches to watch B&S in Glasgow. This was a very long time ago and my memory is not what it once was my recollection of what happened on this date is a little fuzzy so forgive me if I miss out anything important. I arrived at the Arches which is a pretty flash looking venue I must say, with an upside down badge pinned to bag, and dutifully waited for the band to appear on stage. First though I stood and watched a serious of films and talks put on by the G8 alternatives. In case you don't know these are a group of people who have been organising protests and demos (which are also protests and not first drafts of songs)and other public meetings to raise the awareness of issue being discussed at the G8 summit. These were met with mixed response. There were a few grumblings from people stood near me saying they had come to watch a band not listen to political rants but overall the audience seemed to empathise with the sentiment of the night. After that the B&S stumbled on stage exuding the air of a group of people who are a little bit surprised to find that they are not playing in their bedroom and began to play in a the manner of a group of people who suddenly remeber they are actually very talented. They played a lot of new songs, which were good and nice to dance to, but like I said my memory is not up to much and i couldn't tell you much about them. I do remember that Stuart played a song which I thought was about pineapples but he told us afterwards it was about why you should buy fair trade produce. Nobody seemed to grumble at this. Also Sarah and Mick had a competition to see who could play the most musical instruments. Sarah won by playing melodica, recorder, egg, violin and flute. Stevie played "the wrong girl" but his memory must have been as bad as mine because someone had to hold up a sign saying "the wrong girl" so he could remember the words. Belfast Bob, looked like a mean moody rock star and Chris Beans Geddes looked as happy as ever. Unfortunately Richard had been made to sit a million miles away and I couldn't laugh at the funny expressions he pulls while drums. There was a kind of raffle so people could choose their favourite old songs that they wanted hear being to played. The band then looked through the suggestions until they found the ones the wanted to play and the gig ended with "Sleep the Clock Around" and "Judy and the Dream of Horses". By this time all grumbles had been replaced by big smiles. I left feeling happy and excited and only slightly disappointment throughout the whole evening nobody glanced twice at my upside down badge. 24th-26th JUNE- GLASTONBURY FESTIVAL- GLASTONBURY I watched Glastonbury from the comfort of my sofa. I think I may have missed out on some of the atmosphere but my viewing method did allow me to visit Hadrian's Wall in-between bands. SATURDAY 2nd JULY- MAKE POVERTY HISTORY RALLY-EDINBURGH At 11am I found myself wandering the meadows signing various petitions and looking at the helicopters chasing the clouds out of the sky. I waited in a line, for an hour, to march around the city. Then someone turned up and told me that I was in the wrong place and I eventually moved out of the meadows and into the city. For those who have not visited Edinburgh I should tell you that it is a very beautiful city and walking around slowly and peacefuly with a group of people who felt, for one day at least, they could change the world was a very moving experience. SATURDAY 2nd JULY- LIVE8 - ALL OVER THE PLACE! Having enjoyed my Glastonbury experience so much I decided to watch Live8 from the comfort of my sofa too. I think I may have missed out on some of the atmosphere but my viewing method did allow my poor feet to recover slightly before I was off to watch ballboy (a band who once read spell their name with a small b)... SATURDAY 2nd JULY- bALLBOY- EDINBURGH (an event Grainne obviously forgot to hear reporting back about) I arrived at Potterow, the students union for Edinburgh university at about 11pm. This was shocking for me as it was way past my bedtime and only the beginning of the evening rather than the end. ballboy do not have badges so I kept my upside down B&S badge pinned to my bag to conduct an experiment to see whether fans of ballboy are also fans of B&S. There was a song about lapdancers, and two songs with swear words*, and a slightly strange Queen type moment Gordon (lead singer) held out his mic when there was a chorus of "Gary (drummer) is a dobber**" from the audience. The evening finished with Olympic cyclist which is a great song and does not contains any rude or insulting words*** I left the venue feeling happy but tired and wondered whether seagulls always walk (rather than fly) across the road at night when they think nobody is watching. The results of my experiment were inconclusive as nobody glanced twice at my upside down badge. * which I won't repeat for anyone reading at work ** which I will repeat as it is crucial in the telling of the story, and because I'm English and had to ask what a dobber was. *** phew! 4th JULY -MONDAY EVENING- MY BEDROOM After writing post which is far to long I stopped and remembered to send congratulations to Archel and Matt along with my love and best wishes for Sinisterines old skool and new each occupying their own little corner of the world. I hope you are all well and life is treating you kindly. Take Care Rachel ************* If you're any sort of hero, you'll be fighting for what you believe in. You'll get tired, and worn down by the world. There's always somebody to tell you you're wrong....You can't always save the world. But you're a hero, so that won't stop you trying. http://www.friendsoftheheroes.co.uk ***************** +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kristerbladh at xxx.org Mon Jul 4 22:25:21 2005 From: kristerbladh at xxx.org (Krister Bladh) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 05:25:21 +0800 Subject: Sinister: =?iso-8859-1?B?SGFzIEhlIEV2ZXIgU2Vlbg==?= =?iso-8859-1?B?IER1bmRlZT+FIFllcywgSA==?= =?iso-8859-1?B?ZSBIYXMu?= Message-ID: <20050704212522.0D52323EF73@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> Dear sinister, I came back after spending two weeks in my favourite country – Scotland – a week ago. I was going to tell you all about it sooner but I’ve been kind of busy settling in since I got back to Sweden. Sorry. Anyway, me and my family took the ferry from Gothenburg to Newcastle (so we could bring the car). Driving to Edinburgh we stopped in Kelso on the way up. I was mostly interested in seeing Edinburgh and Glasgow, but my parents don’t care for big cities. So unfortunately I only got 2 ½ days per city In Edinburgh I managed to get away from the family and met up with Niko from a long-forgotten b&s-related mailing list called “Sinister”. You might’ve heard of it. I thought there would be lots of sinister folks in Edinburgh, but as I said I only met one. He was really nice though. Showed me around and provided me with me loads of mp3s and chocolate. He also took me to some record stores, a café (with a suspiciously Swedish name) and the uni buildings. The latter kind of disappointed me – grey looming concrete structures from the 60s – seeing as the rest of the city is one of Europe’s finest architecture-wise. And I was thinking about studying in either Edinburgh or Glasgow next ! autumn you can see which it’s leaning towards. I picked up some great records at the Avalanches – This Poison!, Jesse Garon & the Desperadoes, Boyracer and a Shop Assistants/Chesterfields flexi from 1985. Impossible to find in Sweden. Oh, I looked up the flexi when I got home turns out it’s called The Legendary Golden Subway Flexi (impressive, huh?). Then we headed over to Glasgow, where I was going to see b&s at the The Arches. That day will be hard to beat! I started out talking the bus from Dennistoun where we were staying. Not a nice part of the city I met up with Stacey who was kind enough to give me a proper b&s tour of the city. So, we were mostly in the West End, which I just loved. Sights included Stuart’s street, the former Grosvenor Café and suchlike. And I got to hear some gossip about Stu, who everyone seems to know around here. Judging from what I heard, I guess I’m glad I don’t and he can remain a somewhat mystical legend. We also went to Kelvingrove Park (which was almost as beautiful as the botanic gardens in Edinburgh) and the university. Of course we went to Avanlanche as well and I was bit surprised that this was the record store were Gavin had seen Tracyanne put up a poster asking for a bass player and Camera Obscura had come into being. We talked to Gav for a bit and he almost promised the band wou! ld do a proper tour of Sweden later this year! And I got my records a lot cheaper so I can see why they don’t want him working there anymore After lunch at Mono, Stacey went to work and I went into Monorail and had a chat with Stephen Pastel. He DID talk that slow in reality as well! I was going to meet up with some more people before the gig but I had some time to kill so I went over to The Arches to see if I could somehow get in to meet the band. I asked the guy at the reception and pretended I was going to see Stuart. I don’t know if it worked but he told me sit down and wait. After a while I got tired of waiting and I’d noticed this door which was marked “no entry”. But people were walking in and out so I thought I might as well go ahead. It soon turned out the other guys walking in and out were the support band (The Flying Matchstick Men) and I was probably NOT supposed to be inside. Anyway, no one complained and I got to see most of the soundcheck. I was a bit distra! cted though as my camera had run out of film and refused to rewi! nd itse photographs I’d taken that day. Well, after the soundcheck most of the band went backstage but Stu stayed and was rummaging around in his bag. I was really nervous, but I managed to walk up to him and talk a bit. He seemed very nice and even let me give him a hug! So, then I walked round the corner to Crystal Palace to meet up with the lovely Tara who had just come to Glasgow from Australia via Barcelona. After a while some other sinsters/bowlies turned up as well including idleberry and another chris. It was kind of strange going to the gig with people who’d seen b&s countless times. Both Tara and I had only seen them once before so we were really excited at least. It was a benefit show for G8 Alternatives so they didn’t play a full set. And it was all new songs, except for a few requests (Dog On Wheels, The Wrong Girl, Judy and Dream of Horses and Sleep the Clock Around – there’s a full setlist on bowlie). They were all good and I got to hear them twice since they had played all of them at the soundcheck! Kind of in the vein of DCW. Then we went north and saw Loch Lomond and the Trossachs on the way to Isle of Skye. We were actually there on the exact days of the music festival, which featured Mylo and Idlewild among others. Should have known about that beforehand... The funny thing is, on the way to Skye I spotted a pink plastic sign by the side of the road in the middle of nowhere, which read Mylo. Perhaps he had stopped to relieve himself and felt he had to mark out the spot? If you see it – don’t approach it! On the way back we stopped at Loch Ness and Inverness. Inverness seemed like a nice town but we only spent one night there, too bad. We also went to some whisky distilleries including Edradour where you got a dram for free! And I got two because brother doesn’t fancy whisky. The next stop was Fife and St Andrews (driving through Perth and Dundee on the way). St Andrews was very pretty, though it seemed a bit posh. People were graduating from the university just that day, so that could be why everyone was so dressed up. It made me look forward to studying in Scotland, seeing all those people in their funny capes and everything. Marisa had recommended the East Neuk and a village called Elie by the coast. But due to wasting too much time in another village called Crail (parents can be stupid sometimes) we were only in Elie for a few minutes. The beach was lovely though. The last place of interest that we visited was Dunfermline, the old capital of Scotland (as you might know if! you’re Scottish), and then it was back to Sweden for me. As I said I’ve been really busy since I came home. Only the day after I went to a one-day festival called Perfect From Now On and saw Calvin Johnson and International Airport but not Television Personalities as they cancelled two days before. To be expected, I suppose. Tomorrow I’m going to see Sonic Youth, Smog and Teenage Fanclub. Now I have to go to bed because I’m getting up at 2.30 am to distribute the morning papers. see you and goodnight chris -- _______________________________________________ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.linuxmail.org This allows you to send and receive SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From joannehill at xxx.com Tue Jul 5 11:30:01 2005 From: joannehill at xxx.com (Joanne Hill) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 11:30:01 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I had a holiday Message-ID: Dear Sinister, > I went away for a while, but now I am back, on a different address. My > only thing of note to say right now is that I have moved to Brighton, > and thought I'd tell you all, even though in every place I have lived > so far (Toronto, Coventry, Macclesfield and Boston MA) I have > distinctly failed to meet up with any Sinisterette not known to me in > other capacities. I assume, Brighton being the magnet of cultured > people that it is, that there are a few of you here. It would be nice > to say hello. In a flurry of activity I have been writing songs (in a > sort of Kristin Hersh or Mirah style) and building a website, which > I'll tell you about soon, when it's done. Moving from a boring town like Macclesfield (where I've been since December) I'm hoping to make the most of this exciting city and find some open > mic things to show off at, after all the main reason I moved here was > to make my fame and fortune. But as for finding a place to DJ (which I > was quite good at in Coventry and Toronto) I fear I'm just another > small fish in a big ocean down here, everyone is a DJ *subtle plea to > contacts in Brighton clubs and pubs*. I might have to 'settle' for my > own clubnight instead...I've grown up and away from indiepop towards a > northern soul-funk-beat mix. > It's all me me me isn't it. That will do for now. There are all these > on my email because I tried to send this once before, unknowingly in html format, and owner-sinister didn't like that. I am sorry for it. Joanne +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From clj106york at xxx.uk Tue Jul 5 12:42:08 2005 From: clj106york at xxx.uk (mummy i've grazed my knee) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:42:08 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: crayons for all Message-ID: <20050705114209.97401.qmail@web25304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello, Hello hello, It's been almost a squillion years since I last posted, but I still lurk and still love. I have been tempted to post for a while but the sight of some old style reporting back on the wedding of former York Sinister Massive member Archel prompted me to get out my pencil and scribble to you all. CONGRATULATIONS Well done Archel - it's lovely lovely news. All a bit scary you know. I'm at the age now where people are starting to get married and have babies, but i just want to listen to the Field Mice and bury my head. STRUAN & THE CLOTHES The last time I nearly posted was after the wonderful wonderful mails by David and Honey about ME and the snazzy auction that Ciara was holding on ebay. I bid over £100 for Struans TOTP clothes (as imortalised by a number of sinisterines in a painting competition many years ago. Which Ken Chu won by cheating if my memory serves me right!) but didn't win. I won't be all maudling and wallow in pathos, but I was quite poorly a few years ago and have been for a long while since and it was so lovely to hear from others, and about the wonderful research that's going on into ME. It's a very worthwhile caus to support. It causes so much anguish for so many people - not just through the illness itself, but the constant difficulty of actually explaining it to people and getting that 'you're making it up' response. I hope they do find a cure. REPORTING BACK!!! There was a request for some more reporting back and I was in Edinburgh on Saturday to protest, so can report back from that. It was a fun day - I think it broke the world record for most Guardian reading Lib Dem voters in one place. The press would describe the whole affair as having 'a family atmosphere' - a synonym for quiet and unassuming. It was a great thing to be involved in and fantastic to see such a diverse range of people (apart from those silly anarchists who just ruin everything) but now and again I was disappointed with the lack of passion, and the march did occassionally turn into a stroll round Edinburgh. Having said that, Geldof is great and anything he is involved with gets the thumbs up from me. I'm thinking about going up to Gleneagles tomorrow as I have the day off work, but maybe not the money. I've just read back and that was some proper rubbish reporting back. I'm out of practice. I'll take some lessons before the Barbican gig! NOSTALGIA I was feeling whimsical about sinister the other day. I thought about all the lovely people I had met and beautiful things I had seen and done. I can pinpoint the day my life began - it was the summer of 1997 and I was watering my neighbours garden at the rate of £1 a day, which I thought was GRATE. The chore was eased by the tones of Whiley and Lamacq on the evening session. They introduced a song by boy/girl (as I then thought) duo Belle And Sebastian called Lazy Line Painter Jane which stopped me in my tracks. The most amazing thing I had ever heard. The next day it was off to Rex Records in Ipswich to pick up the 7" and I've never looked back. As I was musing in bashful whimsy, I really felt I could trace back every facet of my modern life, everything I've done and become, to this day as a hapless 15 year old in a Suffolk village. It was quite a daunting thought but so very very lovely. SHAMELESS POP POP POP It's not shameless at all, it's with much shame. Sinister helped me into a band - May 5th 2001, my 19th birthday, the first York Sinister picnic and the day I joined Ladybird Ladybird. Well, four years on I have a job, but yearn for fey pop superstardom. My current band (including two ex sinisterines) has just got a web site up with some tunes to look at. I would be most enamoured if any of you felt the urge to have a stop, look and listen. And if Geoff Travis is on this list too... http://www.talesofjenny.co.uk is the place to look RIBENA There is no mention of it any more. I will now return to lurkerdom after my very uninspiring attempt at re-emerging. I hope all of you are very well. Keep posting and being nice people. See you all in London in September. Chris Jones x ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From thecatswillknow at xxx.it Wed Jul 6 21:46:32 2005 From: thecatswillknow at xxx.it (Francesca) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 22:46:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Sinister: t in the park Message-ID: <20050706204632.85286.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi there sinister! ages ago i wrote some post, most of them pointless probably, anyway there is a reason for my post: t in the park. anyone of you going? chance of meeting up? Here nothing changed too much since I last posted: I still like belle and sebastian (I even wrote something about them in the music page of a friend of mine and I am quite proud of it),I still go to university and waste most of my time anyway But I'll be living abroad from september. do you ever feel like your life has an expiration date? not like death, but the fact of going abroad leaving hours and hours of flight behind me all I know give me this feeling, like I should do things and visit places and I don't know what just because next summer I won't be here to do these things... that's why t in the park, i always wished to go and it was always just a dream because there have never been the perfect conditions and there was always the possibility of going the year after, instead this year there was the feeling of "not having another chance"(which is not true at all cause i'll stay away just one year, but the feeling is this one anyway) and here I am... francesca ___________________________________ Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From S.Hewitt at xxx.uk Thu Jul 7 14:15:41 2005 From: S.Hewitt at xxx.uk (Hewitt, Stephen) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:15:41 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Ello babies Message-ID: My love and thoughts to all london sinisterines and anyone else with family and friends here. Pretty much all of the sinis I'm in touch with have reported in. If anyone needs anything I am currently in central london, just off kingsway, for at least the next two hours. xoxo CarsmileSteve +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From unloveable_ at xxx.com Thu Jul 7 21:57:38 2005 From: unloveable_ at xxx.com (angela _) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:57:38 -0500 Subject: Sinister: lurker sends love Message-ID: i never post on here any more, but just wanted to send my prayers to you all in london and the uk. i hope you are all well, as well as your friends and family. God bless. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From shiplore at xxx.com Fri Jul 8 02:27:44 2005 From: shiplore at xxx.com (Jeff Burke) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:27:44 -0400 Subject: Sinister: 'cross 'lantic 'ug In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hope everyone and their loved one's were untouched and are safe. my thoughts are with those who are hurting. jb. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From javiersorribes at xxx.com Sun Jul 10 21:07:54 2005 From: javiersorribes at xxx.com (Javi Sorribes) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:07:54 +0200 Subject: Sinister: Not the easiest day... Message-ID: Hey, I've not posted for ages here... just reading you all in a kind of vouyeur way... Anyway... these are pretty hard days and maybe that's why I'm writing this... Just wanted to say to all of you London sinners... I understand you, being Spanish makes me feel really similar to you, you know I saw B&S for the first time live the day after Madrid bombs... and I think I know how you may feel now... The thing is... please, do what we did that day in the B&S concert... don't let them change your lives -- ---------------------------------- Javi Sorribes javiersorribes at gmail.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.org Mon Jul 11 13:29:11 2005 From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:29:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Hard news Message-ID: Very hard mail to write. I've been trying to decide when/if to write this, but some of you will know Liz Daplyn, long-term member of the list, and a truly lovely person. I hope everyone who knows her has heard about this already and I'm not delivering some awful shock to a friend of hers, but she's now counted as one of the missing from the London bombings. Her picture appearing on the front of yesterday's Independent on Sunday newspaper was too much for me not to post this, after waiting some time for news after first hearing. There's always hope, but a few people have suggested strongly I mail the list, and I think maybe they're right now. I know Liz less than others (and I'm going to stubbornly continue in the present tense for now) and I don't want to fall into the trap of eulogising the missing, but she always struck me as a very special person. The few times I met her, I felt like I was in a very safe warm protective bubble talking to her. Whenever we met, she seemed unfailingly kind, while having the gift of being extremely witty without ever sounding caustic, and totally engaged in whatever she was doing and whoever she was with. She sent me unexpected cards and emails on my birthday, out of the blue, apologising for being a poor correspondent when she was such a thoughtful caring one. One of earth's kindest inventions. I don't think now is the time for extensive comment about this on the list, except of course from those who are her friends and feel they want to, who are very welcome for whatever reason. The list archives will last forever, so please remember that 5 years from now, they will appear in Google. Remember her family, and those who love her who may be reading this, and let's be subdued and careful in response. And please please don't use Liz as a reason to widen comment about the events in London, or political rant. Liz must not be turned into some spark for political debate; she must be allowed to remain lovely, engaging, kind-hearted Liz. My thoughts are with those on the list who know her much better than I do, and one in particular. I don't think I can say any more to them than how much I feel for their agonising wait and pain, and how much I think of Liz. Honey +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From competitionsmile at xxx.com Mon Jul 11 16:54:27 2005 From: competitionsmile at xxx.com (Christine Irene) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Re: Hard News Message-ID: <20050711155428.96867.qmail@web40622.mail.yahoo.com> Wow, I don't really know what to say. While I haven't had much offlist interaction with Liz, save for the occasional reply one of us sent the other in response to a post, I know that many strong friendships have grown on this list. I will continue to maintain hope that Liz and many, many others will return home soon to live their lives, as they deserve. My thoughts and prayers are with everyone who has had to experience this tragedy. Thanks for sharing, Honey. love, ~stine ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions – no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From stugardiner at xxx.com Mon Jul 11 20:43:06 2005 From: stugardiner at xxx.com (Stuart Gardiner) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:43:06 -0700 Subject: Sinister: Shock Message-ID: It's been alarmingly easy to feel detached from what's gone on back home in the last few days, now that I'm living in the US. London feels a very long way away. I've been explaining to Americans with an almost blaze optimism why the bombings won't change Londoners' way of life. And how the Olympics will have a much bigger long-term impact than bombers ever can. And then this morning, four days later, on the Times newspaper website, I finally find what I've been waiting for - a list of the missing. And I come across a name I recognise. At the moment, there's just a numbness. The details of what happened, and why, seem pretty irrelevant right now. Any deaths, whatever the cause, are a tragedy for friends and family; but when it's someone so friendly and caring, with so much to offer and so much willingness to do so, it strikes home particularly hard. And of course I know there are other people on here, and one in particular, feeling so much worse. Apparently there's going to be a 2-minute silence in the UK on Thursday at noon. That's in the middle of the night for some of us, but I'm certain we'll all remember on that day in our own ways. We will go on. We must go on. But we will never forget. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ruthjane.allan at xxx.net Tue Jul 12 21:50:04 2005 From: ruthjane.allan at xxx.net (ruth allan) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:50:04 +0100 Subject: Sinister: sad and sweaty Message-ID: <85FE2747-F316-11D9-915B-000D93B3DDA0@virgin.net> I'm checking my mails in a way that I havent done for ages, eyes peeled for news from sinister. Since honey posted this sad news about a missing member, I've suddenly felt connected to these terrible events in london and I guess what hits home is that it could have been any one of us UK listees. We've all travelled the tube, and all been on the bus and as so many have said, it feels like an attack on us all, and thats incredibly difficult to deal with, unbearably so, I imagine, for those close to Liz and our sympathies go out to you all who are directly affected. I've been lurking as usual, waiting for someone to say something to make sense of all this I suppose, and thats probably why I've been checking my mails so keenly, and waiting up for Newsnight, but no one can fix it can they? I guess life goes on, so today, after faffing about at home for a while, I went out to a meeting in a hotel and saw Terry Christian having one (a meeting that is) at the next table. This made me smile. The high point of the entire day (which was otherwise filled with time wasting antics, such as: talking to the pregnant girl at work about all her relatives names, ever, in an attempt to deduce which might make the most suitable third name, and emailing my male boss about his preferred beauty products. This line of conversation was quite fruitful actually, as it turns out he buys all his cosmetics from QVC. What are the chances of that then?! Isn't QVC completely frowned upon as the epitomy of uncool? Seems not, according to him, QVC is where folks too busy to shop shop. You do, in fact learn a great deal from wasting time it seems). Anyhow, my favourite moment of the day was listening to Dirty Dream Number two on my way back to work as I remembered Terry on the Word back in the early 90s... for those too young to remember and I hope thats most of you, Terry was this terrible mancunian host on a teen show in the UK called 'The Word'. It was abysmal, but launched the careers of some semi famous music related folks like... Jo Whiley (she was the music booker I believe) and Mark Lamarr, a well known stand up comedian and radio presenter. Terry's great skill was being completely unaffected by all the nonsense that went on around him, like L7 a rrriot grrrl act showing their fannies, or mark lamarr eating toenails... ah the joys. anyhow. These ramblings surely are too irreverent for such a sad hot night in the UK, so I'll leave this here, but I guess I just wanted to say hey sinister, hope your okay. ruthx +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mayfly5502 at xxx.com Wed Jul 13 17:24:18 2005 From: mayfly5502 at xxx.com (Diane) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: A Stronger Society Message-ID: <20050713162418.93209.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dearest Sinisterians...In the past 3 years that I have been included on this wonderful list, I've probably only written twice. It isn't that I don't care...but there just never seems to be time...I keep up on the reading though. However..since the attacks in London, I feel it is time I pulled myself to write to you all. Being that I am from the United States..I understand the impact that it has on a community. I must say that during September 11th I was going to school in New York City...and I lost a few of my close friends as well. What I will say to those that live in the UK is that regardless of how people handle the situation...it does make the people stronger. It pulls people together and makes them realize that they are not invincible. It is sad that it takes a tragedy to have many people see that we are all in need of eachother. I would just like everyone who is affected by this to know that you are not alone and that many other people can relate to the pain and suffering to come. Bless all of you! Take care of yourselves and eachother! Long Days & Pleasant Nights. -Diane __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.org Wed Jul 13 19:21:59 2005 From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 19:21:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Archives, photos offline Message-ID: Just a short line to say that it appears that members of the UK press are using the list archives to profit from tragedy, and so I've taken the measure of taking archives, photos etc. offline for now. I'm sorry about this to list members, but I won't have them using your content to make money from recent events. They'll be back soon when they no longer present an opportunity to generate revenue for the press. I'm aware there may be other ways of accessing some of this, but please don't discuss this on the list - but feel free to contact me privately if you need to. The list of course remains open - please feel free to post. Your mails have really touched me and I'm sure others. If anyone from the press is actually reading this, can I remind them please that it's clearly stated on the website that content of posts remain the copyright of originators of those mails, as do photos, etc., and you're not permitted to use them without asking. Honey +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From BridgeOnceBurned at xxx.com Thu Jul 14 20:00:20 2005 From: BridgeOnceBurned at xxx.com (BridgeOnceBurned at xxx.com) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:00:20 EDT Subject: Sinister: RE: Sinisiter: A Stronger Society Message-ID: I would just like to say, I hope that nobody was greatly moved by Mayfly's tragic story of 9-11. For anyone who was touched by that sad tale, you can take comfort in knowing she never went to school in NY. On 9-11, she was living in Rhode Island, you've been duped. It's a shame, but whatever, some people are just a little crazy. Having the unfortunate mispleasure of knowing Diane personally, I just want to take the liberty of letting everyone know that she takes a great deal of pleasure in these little tales. Terminal illness and the loss of parents to tragic suicides are other stories she likes to weave into her mundane existence. Kid, when are you going to grow up? Seriously, get a life, and take some god damned responsibility for some kind of existence instead of having other people feed off of your twisted and perverted imagination. You've grown up far too slow, and I hoped that after the past few years you would have maybe gained an ounce of common sense and decency, but I suppose you're just as depraved and helpless to your compulsive ways as ever. Sort your life out. -Frank +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From honey at xxx.org Thu Jul 14 20:32:56 2005 From: honey at xxx.org (honey at xxx.org) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:32:56 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: RE: Sinisiter: A Stronger Society In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, BridgeOnceBurned at aol.com wrote: > I would just like to say, I hope that nobody was greatly moved by Mayfly's > tragic story of 9-11. Right, we'll quit this right now. It's entirely inappropriate in the current circumstances. No more on this please on the list, whatever the rights and wrongs of the matter. Frank, a mail to the list owner would have been more appropriate if you're concerned another list member might be causing upset. Diane, I don't know what to say as I don't know the rights and wrongs of the matter, but I'm not having a personal spat fought out on the list, particularly now. So take it offline, both of you, preferably with each other. Mail me only if it concerns the list's well-being and you really need to. I haven't been able to take the reins strongly on the list for some time due to illness, but I promise the rest of you that I'll do my best to ensure no more mails will get through on this subject. Please, no-one feel intimidated to not post(*) your feelings on the current circumstances. There's 1500 of you, and I'd really encourage you to do so if you feel you want to. You won't be intimidated by others. All that's required is that you're true to yourself. This is like the old days. Honey x (*) the split infinitives rule is really overrated. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ksmith19 at xxx.edu Sat Jul 16 19:03:48 2005 From: ksmith19 at xxx.edu (Kevin Smith) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:03:48 -0500 Subject: Sinister: (no subject) Message-ID: <42D94C04.6070401@uic.edu> > Hi folks, > I'm terribly sorry to hear about your friend Liz's death. I know it > might be hard for your community to work through this and so I send > along my condolences and best wishes for all of you, especially those > that were close to her, in dealing with your loss. I would like to > send my hopes for continued safety to Londoners, but unfortunately > those hopes should probably be extended to any of you who reside in or > visit any place that may turn up as a target of this kind of horrible > violence. I just visited London for the first time a few months ago, > and was impressed with the beauty and energy of the city, as well as > the kindness extended to me by numerous strangers in everything from > giving help with directions on the Tube to sharing a pint with a > lonely traveller. I'm not surprised at all to hear about your > resilience and bravery in dealing with the bombings. And although I'm > not a Sinister member, I am involved in an online community somewhat > similar, and know how vital these relationships can be, especially in > hard times like the one you're going through now. So, as a non-member > and an American, I'd like to humbly let you know I am thinking about > all of you and hope in some small way this gesture may bolster the > strength you already have. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From press at xxx.net Sun Jul 17 21:39:08 2005 From: press at xxx.net (Katrina House) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:39:08 +0100 Subject: Sinister: A small note In-Reply-To: <200507161809.TAA01458@missprint.org> Message-ID: I just wanted to send my condolences to Rob and Liz's family. I saw Marianna's note on ILX last night and I didn't think it appropriate to post there, as Sinister was the place where I met Liz. Rob, I don't know if you're here anymore, I know that right now you will have many more things to contend with, but I hope you can take some solace in the happiness that Liz brought to so many others. I'm very sorry for your and the Daplyn family's loss. May Liz's memory live with you and many Sinistereen's forever. Much love and sadness, Katrina. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From elle_jane1 at xxx.uk Mon Jul 18 22:43:59 2005 From: elle_jane1 at xxx.uk (elle) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:43:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Witness statement Message-ID: <20050718214400.61710.qmail@web26405.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Right. There are 1500 of us. Didn't expect to be one of the first, but here goes: I met Liz a handful of times, but she sparkles in my memories. As has been beautifully chronicalled on ilx, she was magic. I remember picnics, laughter, bowling, laughter, pubs and more laughter. Oh, and rather fabulous cakes. How can this girl be gone? Why does it make me cry? I hardly knew her. It seems wrong when I try to explain it but makes sense when I think of just how bloody special she was. When I didn't know anyone, or felt a bit awkward, Liz was there, almost before I'd started feeling out of it, drawing me into the group, making me laugh whether it was talking about something serious or something ridiculous (and she had an unimaginable talent for sustaining such conversations!) She deserves so much more. This is so, so sad. Rob, Liz's family, and everyone who knew her properly, I'm thinking and praying for Liz and all of you. Love, hugs and home baking to you all. L x ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From hodottir at xxx.com Tue Jul 19 14:06:32 2005 From: hodottir at xxx.com (Lorraine Hosie) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:06:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: thoughts and feelings Message-ID: Hello Sinister I was going to write the Saturday before last, when I first saw Liz's picture on News 24. I picked up my mobile and three times recomposed a text to the one person I know [personally] who I thought had also met Liz. But I couldn't get the words right. I wasn't grieving: whichever way I looked at it, and I always try to avoid bandwagonning other people's grief. But, as ever, it's the kindness and sensitivity of others in the aftermath that touches me - the generosity of strangers, the bravery of the survivors. It's the sign outside The Castle pub in Islington that says 'We are not afraid!', even though some of us are. I met Liz twice I think - once at the Astoria Karaoke (she made light work of 'Heart of Glass', and I *think* at one of the London picnics. She was a genuinely lovely person, it seemed to me, and I feel for those who're missing her At the same time, I feel for the families of the bombers - those of them who were completely in the dark about their brother's, son's, cousin's intentions. Surely their grief is twofold. And I feel for the innocent people who live in those communities, and the police and community leaders who are now faced with the possibility of a backlash. I feel for my Goddaughter: the youngest Sinisterine; whose first birthday is tomorrow. I worry what sort of place the world will be when she starts to become aware of it.  I wonder if she'll lose a friend some day, and I wonder what I could possibly say to help ease her pain Last week I listened to Antony and the Johnson's 'Hope there's someone' and it made me feel much better, so I'll probably lend her that. Take care of yourselves Lorraine +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From s.santabarbara at xxx.uk Thu Jul 21 14:04:32 2005 From: s.santabarbara at xxx.uk (Stefano) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 14:04:32 +0100 Subject: Sinister: you alright? Message-ID: <1121951072.42df9d60e5a6b@webapps.qmul.ac.uk> Dear All, apparently we are facing a second day of havoc in London, although the extent of the fact is nothing near what happened only a couple of week ago, I just work down the road from Warren street, one of the "isolated" tube stations. get in toch if you been involved and need any help. hope you are all well and safe. love stefano -- Stefano School of Biological Science Queen Mary, University of London Mile End Road E1 4NS London United Kingdom +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From aadamjacobs at xxx.com Thu Jul 21 15:19:58 2005 From: aadamjacobs at xxx.com (aadam jacobs) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: Liz Message-ID: <20050721141959.57257.qmail@web32610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It was back in '97 or so, right around the time that _...Sinister_ came out, that I first heard B&S. Shortly after that the list was born that this list is a child of. In January of '98 I met Elizabeth Daplyn on that list. We flirted through emails and then the telephone until I flew from Chicago (where I continue to reside) to England to meet her. Our relationship lasted one year, and during that time I went to England four times, and she came to America twice. We went to one B&S picnic together in NYC, but I never had the opportunity to have the delicious cakes. She and I were far too busy to bake ;-) Two weeks before the bombings on July 7, Yahoo lost my entire address book. I couldn't otherwise find Liz's address, so I couldn't contact her. I joined this list again (having dropped my subscription several years ago due to time restrictions) to try to contact her. My emails bounced because, until yesterday, I was in the nursery. Thankfully Amanda, an old friend from the list now living in England, emailed me to tell me that Liz was on the list of missing. That was July 11th. Through diligent detective work I was able to get a hold of Liz's sister, Eleanor, and her Mom, Pam. I've been in touch with them since the 12th. Needless to say her tragic death has hurt me deeply. Liz and I loved each other very much, and there was no hurt between us due to the break up. Neither of us were going to move across the Atlantic, so it was a mutual agreement. Communication waned over the years, and the last time I spoke to her on the phone was September 11, '01. She called to make sure I was OK. It tears me up that I couldn't do the same for her. When the B&S DVD came out I consumed it. I spent many hours going through every nook and cranny it had to offer. By the end it made me cry. I guess I was sad it was over. I emailed Liz to ask her what her thoughts were on the DVD. She was dissapointed that it wasn't more complete. That was the last communication we had. It will be impossible for me to attend the funeral tomorrow, but as it's been everyday since July 11th, my heart will be with Eleanor and Pam and the family I never met and Rob, whom I should like to meet someday as we share such a special commonality. I don't know that I'll ever be able to listen to B&S again without crying. Love to you all, and thank you again Amanda. Aadam +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From glittastarz at xxx.com Sat Jul 23 17:31:22 2005 From: glittastarz at xxx.com (nalA Rollo) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:31:22 +0000 Subject: Sinister: Liz Message-ID: Hey people, my name's nalA and i'm a newbie to the list. Ideally this wouldn't be the first email i sent to the list but at the moment times are far from ideal, so i guess it stands to reason that my first post would be far from the ideal introduction. Shortly after the events two weeks ago in London i emailed Honey with a slightly strange email. After a little bit of very gentle nudging Honey has persuaded me to mail you guys what i sent her. It went a bit like this: "Hi there, i'm really sorry to bother you as i am in essence a complete stranger to you. A month or so ago i joined the sinister list but have not yet had the confidence to post. As a silly teenager i was on the list years ago but rarely posted then due to the fact that i would get worried that i would come across as stupid and that i would make a fool of myself. Since then i have grown slighly in confidence and don't care so much as to if i make of myself as i have become rather secure in my stupiidity. Anyhow, at this point you're probaly thinking "Enough already! Cut to the chase and tell me where you are heading with your ramblings!". Where i am heading is this... A good few years ago now i went to one of my first music festivals. As you may of guessed this festival was Bowlie. I went with three other people that i vaguely knew from My Life Story gigs and messageboards/lists. For various reasons i now forget, there seemed to a certain ammount of tension ion my chalet and amongst it's inhibitants. Consequently i spent most the festival wandering alone. A lonely 17yr old boy with too much time on his hands combatting severe depression. One evening i was sat by myself outside on a picnic bench reading a book, i think it was Bukowski's women but it could of been The Dice Man, i can't really remember now. On the picnic table opposite me were a group of five or six people. I put down my book and quietly drink my lemonade as i try and write bad poetry/lyrics of the kind that only a young male with issues can. As i do so a girl/young woman from the group says hi to me and asks me if i'm alright as i looked rather sad. We begin to talk and she invites to join the group at their table. I join them but being rather socially awkward and not very "with it" i find it hard to keep up with the conversation. Despite this the group were kind. They allowed me to hang around at the gigs with them, to dance in the "disco" with them, to play frisbee with them and seemed to warm to me a little. However, only the girlie who had first spoken to me really seemed to speak to me rather than wait for me to join in with their conversations. This same girlie was the one who would tell me when and where to be to meet the group. On the final day (when everybody was leaving) my chalet mates had seemed to sort things between themselves and were now once again the best of friends (i think). Feeling rather guilty at having left me alone for most of the festival they insisted on keeping me close to them. I never saw my new group of friends again as when i went to their chalet i had already missed them. That girl that invited me to join that group made sure i had a good time at Bowlie. That girl was called Liz. The Liz i talk of was from North London and would now be aged 29 or 30 as at Bowlie she was 23, my age now (if my memory serves correct). Back then she had long light brown hair and a little fringe. I think she had eyes that were a bluey/green colour but i'm not sure. Does this sound like it could possibly of been Liz Daplyn to you? It's been on my mind for the last few days now... I don't know what else to say... Even if it is not the same Liz what has happened is, obviously, deeply tragic and i send my thoughts and condolences. If this sounds like another Liz please may i sincerley apologise for having bothered you with this." Since writing this email i have seen pictures and read some of Liz's posts in the archives and have concluded that i am 99.99999% certain that this is the same Liz. i got a few details wrong about her age and stuff but from what i can gather we are talking the same Lliz here. It's not often that you have a random stranger be so kind and caring towards you. It takes an amazing person to lift the spirits of a "problem" teenager but Liz managed it. I can not even comprehend how others on this list must be feeling right now as i barely knew Liz and yet feel terrible for her loss. i send my condolences and love to all of those that knew Liz. i'm sure i can not be the only person that Liz has touched through her actions and that she will forever live on in our memories. Stay safe people. lots of love and hugs nalA xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From david.moore99 at xxx.com Sun Jul 24 16:38:59 2005 From: david.moore99 at xxx.com (David Moore) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:38:59 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Dappers Message-ID: <000a01c59065$d0e655e0$0201a8c0@David> Hi All, Not the kind of event that I thought (hoped) I would ever Report Back on, but I thought that something should be said about Liz's funeral, which was held on Friday afternoon outside in the Essex countryside. A very large number of people attended, comprised of Liz's family & friends, Rob's family & friends, Liz's friends from Oxford, people from this list* & from the ILE community. The proceedings were lead by Liz's uncle, and a lot of sad & wonderful things were said about Liz or read by her Mum, her Dad, her sister, her cousin, Rob, Rob's Mum and a couple of Liz's fellow students from St Hilda's. Jim read a message that Honey had sent. Several pieces of music were played, reflecting the wide range of Liz's musical talents & interests. I learned a lot from what was said, how much more talented & special a person Liz was than I was ever aware of (including oarswoman & rifle shot amongst her accomplishments!). The occasion was heartbreaking, to think of Liz being taken from her family and friends at such an early age, that Rob and her should have spent so few years together. However, there was also an enormous feeling of love for Liz, joy at celebrating her life and its achievements and even some humour. The ceremony was not at all rushed as some such occasions can be, people had sufficient time for reflection and to express their feelings. The spot itself is very peaceful, as can be seen from some pictures here http://www.green-burial.co.uk . Liz is laid to rest in a meadow, under the eves of a wood which with new planting will eventually extend over the grave. The wood becomes carpeted with bluebells in the spring and the site is very tranquil, with no traffic noise and on a rise so that there is a great view over the green countryside. Although the occasion was informal I thought it was a great sign of respect for Liz that not only did so many people attend but also that they had gone to the trouble of wearing (in some cases acquiring, I think!) dark suits & ties. Its a long time since I have seen so many Sinisterines in one place at the same time and its so sad that they should have been brought together for this reason - I recall seeing Rob, Marianna, Ken, Ben & Rachel Apps, Archel & Mr Archel, Ian, Stefano, Robin Stout, Lucy, Ailsa, Cabbage & Miss Vicky, Mark C & Sarah, Tim, Ally C, Stacey Dahling, Pam, Jim, Lixi & Steve, Carsmile Steve & Meg, Andy Dean, Starry, Nick. Apologies for my writing, which is not up to capturing the emotion of the occasion, and if I have left anyone or anything out that I should have included. A lot of tributes have been written to Liz in various places recently - I hope that the love that Liz inspired in others is some comfort to those close to her. Here are a few more things that have come to my mind in the last few days. She was such a very talented person, musically as an instrumentalist & singer, whether as part of or directing a choir or covering Blondie's 'Heart Of Glass' backed by The Johnny 7 before one of B&S's Astoria gigs a couple of years ago. I also recall her installation which formed part of an exhibition at The Roundhouse in 2001 which she described as "a big wibbly projection type thing" or an "abstract slide thing projected onto a big piece of perspex" - whatever, even if I wasn't clever enough to understand its meaning the intellect and ingenuity that had gone into its production was manifest. Her kindness, always thinking of others & finding ways to include them, at picnics bringing loads of food to share, her delicious home baking. She once wrote “It's our glorious idiosyncracies that mark us as such wonderful people” and certainly lived up to that herself, signing off e-mails to me with “Must go make etchings” or talking of going off to decorate a cake for a friend or to go for a snowball fight. I will treasure our common enthusiasms, especially for certain artists. We both love Sodastream and she once spoke of kidnapping Pete & Karl & keeping them in her cellar to write songs to play for her & her mum - then her strong practical sense realised that the damp would play havoc with the tuning of the double bass & her kindness started thinking of providing them with a little heater. Her talents ranged even to her very expressive facial, er, expressions, ranging from the mere arching, asking eyebrow to ones that spoke volumes. I think that had she been born a few decades earlier she would made a fantastic actress of the silent era, even giving Lillian Gish a run for her money. The one that is etched in my mind is the one she greeted Lixi with at ATP once when Lixi eventually returned from the beach in the early hours with the chalet key - absolutely terrifying & I am glad it wasn't directed at me! I miss her a lot, & I wasn't anywhere near as close to her as others. I wish her family, Rob and her friends strength to deal with their grief and that a day will come when the pain of loss is less for them. I understand that Ken, Marianna & Pam have been in the front line of supporting Rob over recent days & I wish to thank them for the strength of their friendship & what they have also had to say & do on behalf of others. If I have another wish, it is that the tragic circumstances in which Liz met her end don't result in a permanent increase in fear & prejudice in the country - for a long period Liz's e-mail signature included the line "Regard the moon, La lune ne garde aucune rancune". Love, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From knitting_factory at xxx.com Sun Jul 24 19:49:51 2005 From: knitting_factory at xxx.com (ulla saar) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:49:51 +0300 Subject: Sinister: ...looking out the window full of mostly sorrow Message-ID: Dear Sinister people, What can you say to Rob and Liz's family and closest friends when they have lost someone they held so close to their heart. Someone so lovely and gentle. Those words have not been evented yet and probably never will, like in all true feelings. Still I feel I have to try and say something, for you see, Liz meant so much to this list and it won't ever be same without her. I had not the luck to meet Liz in person, might of been the geographical distance or the fact i've never even been close to London in my entire life. It seems to me though that she had the rare gift of making everyone she ever touched (not necessarily physically) wanting to be a better person. Thanks to David who reported back from the funeral seemed there were many who she had touched and i'm certain there are much more of us who could not be there. Might of been that those who couldn't had their own ways of saying goodbye, for me it was to leave a colourful bunch of flowers into Northern Sea for her memory and whispers that were meant for her ears only. There are people who come and go in your life and there are people who come and stay. I'm sure we all know what kind of person Liz was. Goodbye Liz. Ulla _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From sarah.j.clarke at xxx.uk Mon Jul 25 13:24:36 2005 From: sarah.j.clarke at xxx.uk (Sarah J Clarke) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 13:24:36 +0100 Subject: Sinister: 10 Roddington's Plaice Message-ID: <74C43A85B66CAC4EBBD847D26B263866034C8BC3@s1-adm.adm.ucl.ac.uk> Hello Sinister, gosh it's been a while, hasn't it! I meant to write to you last Thursday, but Stefano wrote: > apparently we are facing a second day of havoc in London, > although the extent of the fact is nothing near what happened > only a couple of week ago, I just work down the road from > Warren street, one of the "isolated" tube stations. get in > toch if you been involved and need any help. hope you are all > well and safe. I am well and safe, but the abovementioned meant that after going for sustenance in the form of batteredsossidgechipsandbeans in the local chippy that I couldn't get back into my office which had been cordoned off by police tape saying DO NOT CROSS, helicopters whirring above heads and the local TRAMP being interviewed by A.N Media Man - I guess at least by BBC News 24. I rang my boss in a bit of a panic, only to find him in a local pub, had a quick half, and then went home. This being the Thursday, I hadn't been to Liz's funeral yet, that was on Friday. I immediately thought: gosh; that's near UCLH sorta, I hope Liz is... ack. But on Friday a lot of people said goodbye, and we listened to Belle & Sebastian, and ate some pork pies afterwards. It was a bit like a picnic, but an extremely bittersweet one and with less wine until the decamping London party fell into the boozer - and then personally I was drinking Discovery, but what can you do. You may wonder why I'm posting here, and in fact WHO THE HECK AM I - well, I'm your worst nightmare. I'm an old school Sinisterine who RETURNED with my special knowledge of which button to press behind the painting to wizz you down the superslide straight to the swimming pool filled with chocolate and Hunky Lifeguards TM with triangular faces and ginger hair. What? I don't mean you, Stuart, would I? Gosh no. Anyway, the reason I'm posting here is because it feels right to say something about Liz, as this is where we "met", and a Sinister Pickernick is where we "MET", so there. There was a moment at the funeral where Bell End Sebastian was played, and I, a mere robot, started to cry and had a quick look round for all the people that met in this way to see if lightbulbs were pinging off and on over peoples heads. They weren't, because that would have been taking Magical Realism too far. I am useless at this stuff, and Honey has already put things a squillion times better than I have, so I'll just say that I still laugh at our old args. abt Robert Browning**, and laugh, shamefaced that our last conversation in the pub was about Dr Who novels and Star Wars novels, I'll miss trips to the chicken shop and someone always knowing about cake/fishing/history/geography - in fact, Liz knew it all. She's incredibly special**, and my heart breaks for her family and partner, and that the UCL pie club is lacking a champion member. I saw a lot of Sinisterites over the weekend. And it was good. Of particular note I must recommend a game called Downfall, that Trousers and Hoppo were champions at. CHESS OF THE FUTUR! Bye for now, Sarah *I am still right by the way he is rubbidge **not in THAT sense +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From willpeek at xxx.com Mon Jul 25 14:50:04 2005 From: willpeek at xxx.com (Will) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:50:04 +0100 Subject: Sinister: I only joined the list a few weeks ago... Message-ID: <703401de050725065069fdd23d@mail.gmail.com> probably only a week or two before the bombings in London took place, so obviously I'm not up with Liz and her life works, though with all the streams of glowing tributes from people who have had their own anecdotes of someone who clearly is someone special in her own way. I guess in a way its a testament to the wonders of the internet that it has been able to bring people together like this and when people are taken away so tragically it touches everyone in such a profound way. As if the pain of seeing the aftermath of the attacks where so many people needlessly died wasn't enough. I'm sure if Liz had an internet connection beyond the grave she'd be dead chuffed by how highly people regard her. Take care and keep living your beautiful lives Will +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From MWaggner at xxx.com Mon Jul 25 16:58:38 2005 From: MWaggner at xxx.com (MWaggner at xxx.com) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:58:38 EDT Subject: Sinister: Liz Message-ID: <6b.49db0510.3016662e@aol.com> If Starry Sarah can come out of the woodwork after all this time, then I suppose I will as well. I'm very happy you're safe Sarah... and pleased you still seem to be *you.* I may be the oldest of the old Sinisterines, chronologically... and consequently I've left all this p!o!p! stuff to those more p!o!p! than I. But once a Sinisterine... While I didn't know Liz outside the confines of the Sinister world, I think most of us would agree that this small world made many of us friends of a new and different kind -- we here often knew more about each other than we knew of people in our "real" worlds and sometimes shared things with each other here more easily than we do in that "real" world -- and so I count her as one of those friends by virtue of having read her posts and learned about her through them over the years. That, and the fact that people I know, respect and love thought the world of her makes me feel the loss of Liz as though I too have lost something. Perhaps it is just that the world can ill afford to lose one of its better beings and when it happens, we all feel the loss of their goodness in the world somehow. Maybe Sinister made all of us more aware of that kind of world-connectedness. As the mother of children not much younger than Liz, this resonates particularly deeply in me and my heart breaks for her parents especially. We can never quite explain the amazing love we have for our children, and how that love always carries with it both great hopes for their lives and horrible fears for their safety. It is what makes parents so annoying sometimes. I know I can't begin to know the Daplyns' pain in reality, but I can imagine all too well the shape and depth of it from my own nightmares and it makes me cry... for them, for Liz, and for all the troubled world in which these things happen. I hope that they, and everyone who loved and was touched by her, will eventually find the peace that Liz would want them to find in having known, loved and shared her life. Hopefully their memories of Liz will someday be beams of sunlight in which those who loved her will be able to warm themselves in the dark of sadness. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From adrian.evans at xxx.uk Mon Jul 25 18:28:40 2005 From: adrian.evans at xxx.uk (Ev) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:28:40 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Northern Hypocrisy Message-ID: Good to see some old faces and hear some old voices. And good to see Honey still gets given a hard time every now and then. It is sad that it takes something so appalling to have so much activity on this list. I didn't know Liz - I never met her. I did see her on University Challenge once. The one and only time I watched the programme. They were crap..let's not beat about the bush...shocking. To put it into context, I didn't understand a word of it, but St Hilda's got well and truly done from memory. Not a great memory to have of someone but, in my usual childish manner it remains fond. Thanks to David and Sarah for reporting back. Starry wrote: >"after going for sustenance in the form of batteredsossidgechipsandbeans in the local chippy" Aren't you from Preston? What an earth are you doing eating beans with your chips? I thought it had to be mushy pea fritters with crack-coated Mars Bars. I'm going to go into hibernation again for 5 years now, don me best suit, get married and have another 14 children. Adrian. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From kenneth.chu at xxx.uk Mon Jul 25 19:23:16 2005 From: kenneth.chu at xxx.uk (kenneth.chu at xxx.uk) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:23:16 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Cock on meals Message-ID: <9D17C3BDDEAFD311AFD100508B5C529F26750E55@UCLHNHSM2> Hejla Sinisterla, Oh, gosh. It's been a whole over a month since I had last written. I have not forsaken you, believe me, it's just been a crazy over-a-month. For those who don't keep track of my every post, last time I wrote I managed to fall off a bus during a haze of intoxication and cracked my head, after a Dizzy Rascal gig (really was feeling the Dizzy after that) Well, I've recovered from that now, head pain replaced by heartaches. You know somebody is a true friend, when they turn up to your birthday party, before you do, at your own flat, and then give you presents of booze and a tin of "COCK" brand curry sauce. When they bake you a cake and make cocktails with names like "Frogspawn" and accompany you in keeping your neighbours awake singing "I Believe In A Thing Called Love" on the karaoke machine until 2 in the morning. All these little things are those I remember the best, and what make me all simultaneously smiley and teary eyed. The crazy drunken post-bowling singer-songwriter party in Finsbury Park; The picnic in Oxford featuring the indestructible bubbles; The pub quizzes at The Shepherd; The filthy origami at The Approach; The outlandishly unpractised "Red Bull Dozers" "gig"; The Sunday roasts; The Bowling; The Fun; The funny named ales. I can go on. What can I say about Liz that hasn't already been mentioned by everyone else, as her loveliness was so obvious? Always so organised, so smart in knowing everything, never holding a grudge against anybody, and so never ever pretentious. When everything else were being crazy in my life, I could always find comfort in Liz, knowing that she would have had all of her things in order, and be willing to give a hand to her friends. A couple of years back I was having a very nasty time and my world was upside down, I cried my eyes out, Liz was there and she gave me lots of tissues. I've since learnt how not to cry outside so much, but I wish I can take my phone out and look up the "Liz" right now. It was lovely to see plenty of folks last weekend, it's nice. Kerplunk! was quite a good game, too, but we had decided that the setting up time:playing time ratio was too rubbidge for our liking. Ken P.S.: Oh God. A whole post and still no puns. Well, once, many years ago at a picnic in Hyde Park, I think for some reason Liz and I were talking about being a transvestite, and I inadvertently said something like "ooh, that's a drag..", and she laughed. And I nodded knowingly pretending it was a deliberate pun... Bad Ken. ********************************************************************** This email is confidential and intended solely for the person or entity to whom it is addressed. If this email was not intended for you please notify the UCLH Mail Administrator at mail.administrator at uclh.org. 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WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From S.Hewitt at xxx.uk Thu Jul 28 11:22:44 2005 From: S.Hewitt at xxx.uk (Hewitt, Stephen) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:22:44 +0100 Subject: Sinister: Pictures of Liz Message-ID: Ello babies MissVicky, who is not subscribed anymore, has asked me to point sinister kids in the direction of this (yes I know it's ILX, but it's ok, you'll not catch anything just by looking ;)): http://ilx.wh3rd.net/thread.php?msgid=6030376 (if you get a silly warning message that says "turn back, you poxy fule", please try again later) You can contact vicky for the password (at the email on the link), we're looking to get as many pictures of Liz as we can, so please look through your old snaps and see if you've got anything, I understand there are boxes for your comments/memories on the website as well (I haven't scanned my pics in yet). xoxo CarsmileSteve +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From boyincorduroy at xxx.com Thu Jul 28 11:54:03 2005 From: boyincorduroy at xxx.com (Mark Casarotto) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:54:03 +0100 (BST) Subject: Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V4 #1256 In-Reply-To: <200507281020.LAA07870@missprint.org> Message-ID: <20050728105404.22771.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Sinister, Apart from the content, the last digest could have crawled from 1999, so let me add my tuppence'th (£15.65 in new money) to the whole memories shebang. Yesterday I put a picture of me gazing lovingly at Liz in front of some crazy red titling (you can see it at the site Steve pointed to in his last post) up as my PC wallpaper. It's made me well up four or five times and want to HUG Liz till she squeals (she was always good for a squeal, was Liz, hence such successful turns at "Heart of Glass" and "Wuthering Heights", a rendition of which I was lucky enough to get only 4 days before the tragedy). The funeral was an amazing occasion, and the sheer congregation of love there made all the tears more sweet than bitter. It was lovely to see so many people I have got to know thanks to Sinister there - my god, my life would be flat indeed if it wasn't for this list. I hope I don't have to go to another funeral in such circumstances, but if I do, I hope it will be conducted in such a loving, respectful, intimate way. So love to you all (especially the amazing Michele who claims to have grown up kids but can't as she's only 21 herself), and love to Liz's family and to Rob, who is a fucking star and the least deserving person in the world for all this terrible stuff. Keep smiling, Mark ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From froggysfamily at xxx.au Fri Jul 29 05:01:41 2005 From: froggysfamily at xxx.au (Marc Willems) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:01:41 +1000 (EST) Subject: Sinister: Looking for Mrs Julie Hewitt (nee Sauer) Message-ID: <20050729040142.36242.qmail@web54602.mail.yahoo.com> G'day all, So I got to thinking recently, how are things going with Mrs Julie Hewitt (nee Sauer) a.k.a. Cyberglam a.k.a Julie "Sexpot" Sauer??? (Ah, the burden of physical beauty.) I clearly recall chatting with her back in my salad days on #Sinister IRC Chat around and after September 11, 2001. Unfortunately, my occasional navel-gazing has allowed no scope for recent developments and accordingly I have found myself somewhat dislodged from the Sinister social loop. The last message I received from Julie was an email she sent me in September 2002 announcing her move to Melbourne. I wrote back with my advice for living in Australia (eg. Treating snake bites with opium or other narcotic substances is not recognised nor approved by medical authorities.) I have yet to receive a reply. (I guess my tips weren't overly helpful.) Plus I didn't know her new email address. The following year I heard over the jungle drums that she and David had wed and were now living in the most holy of matrimonies! But I already had my suspicions when she said she was moving. That sly minx... But I was wondering, has anyone heard from her recently? I'm just itching to say "G'day, how's it goin'?! Have you had the distinct pleasure of being kicked by a kangaroo yet?" Such profound Aussie-related questions go begging for an answer. If anyone has any info, it is greatly appreciated! :-) Just drop me a line at: froggysfamily at deletethisbit.com.au Thanks everyone! Marc Willems ------------ "It is not easy to be evil when music is playing." - J. M. Chernoff Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From dhewitt at xxx.com Fri Jul 29 05:23:12 2005 From: dhewitt at xxx.com (David Hewitt) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:23:12 +1000 Subject: Sinister: Looking for Mrs Julie Hewitt (nee Sauer) In-Reply-To: <20050729040142.36242.qmail@web54602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050729040142.36242.qmail@web54602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <185ac6e405072821235c90dec8@mail.gmail.com> Please, nobody respond to this. Julie's friends know where to reach her, and I hope that none of them will pass on her details without her permission. Bulk love, -Vanilla Flavoured David. On 7/29/05, Marc Willems wrote: > > G'day all, > > So I got to thinking recently, how are things going > with Mrs Julie Hewitt (nee Sauer) a.k.a. Cyberglam > a.k.a Julie "Sexpot" Sauer??? (Ah, the burden of > physical beauty.) > > I clearly recall chatting with her back in my salad > days on #Sinister IRC Chat around and after September > 11, 2001. Unfortunately, my occasional navel-gazing > has allowed no scope for recent developments and > accordingly I have found myself somewhat dislodged > from the Sinister social loop. > > The last message I received from Julie was an email > she sent me in September 2002 announcing her move to > Melbourne. I wrote back with my advice for living in > Australia (eg. Treating snake bites with opium or > other narcotic substances is not recognised nor > approved by medical authorities.) I have yet to > receive a reply. (I guess my tips weren't overly > helpful.) Plus I didn't know her new email address. > The following year I heard over the jungle drums that > she and David had wed and were now living in the most > holy of matrimonies! But I already had my suspicions > when she said she was moving. That sly minx... > > But I was wondering, has anyone heard from her > recently? I'm just itching to say "G'day, how's it > goin'?! Have you had the distinct pleasure of being > kicked by a kangaroo yet?" Such profound > Aussie-related questions go begging for an answer. > > If anyone has any info, it is greatly appreciated! :-) > Just drop me a line at: > > froggysfamily at deletethisbit.com.au > > > Thanks everyone! > > > Marc Willems > ------------ > "It is not easy to be evil when music is playing." - > J. M. Chernoff > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister > +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ > +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ > +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ > +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ > +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ > +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister at missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo at missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From pinefox1 at xxx.com Sat Jul 30 11:04:32 2005 From: pinefox1 at xxx.com (P F) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 03:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sinister: A Drop In The Ocean Message-ID: <20050730100432.78990.qmail@web53410.mail.yahoo.com> Memories. A number now have dived for them and laid them before us here – a good place to keep them, the darkroom of the ink polaroid, the site where all the ladders start. Mine is very unimportant, in a way, but it has grown more important to me. It was perhaps the last time that I spoke to Liz Daplyn. April 2005; I am dawdling away precious time in rewriting an old essay on George Orwell that has never seen print’s daylight. Late afternoon, 4 or 5, and I have printed the latest draft, to read and correct on paper. I need some cash to buy myself a cheap cup of coffee to accompany that task. I must traverse Russell Square to get it. I cross the civilized pavements & tame zebra crossing, enter through the metal gates, head down the paths between the grass, beneath the trees. At the far side, heading toward the way out, the sudden stun of seeing her. Wow – cor – hello. I have never met her here before, though I’m here often enough. Perhaps she could say the same about me. I think she raises a famous eyebrow, perhaps forms one of those expressions to which Mr Moore has referred, in asking what I am up to, as we stop. I tell her about my Orwell essay – probably I am full of the thought of it; I think I rapidly tell her the whole story of having written it once, trying to rewrite it and make something useful out of it, rather than see it go to waste; and even how I am now fetching some cash so I can reread it properly. It should not be a very interesting tale for her to listen to: I don’t mean to inflict an excess of dullness on her, but somehow the whole thing is needed, if I am to mention any of it. I reckon she offers a few more expressions, widens her eyes to show interest, even utters the odd musing noise of comprehension. But what about her – where is she going? To the gym, she says. I know what my response to this must be: the same as any time anyone tells me they’re going to a gym: Oooh, dear – blimey – intake of breath – that’s not a good idea – gym, eh? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a gym – not since I was about 15, anyway. She agrees: I think her words may be akin to ‘Yes, it’s terrible, isn’t it?’. Madness, this going to the gym. From University College Hospital, this is, that way. Oh – where (it springs to mind, as these things always do, seeking to knit themselves together) – where George Orwell spent his last days! - Did he? – I think she is interested. Does she, in fact, show the semblance of a remembrance of this fact herself? – Yes, I say – those last days when he was producing public announcements of how not to read *Nineteen Eighty-Four*. (And to this day I have not checked again the details – so I will do it now. Orwell’s last published letters, at least in my 4-volume set, are from UCH, the Gower Street site as it happens, October 1949. ‘I am getting married very unobtrusively this week’, he says in the penultimate, and in the last, ‘It was so awfully kind of you both to send me that beautiful box of crystallized fruits, & then on top of that for Mary to send me those packets of tea’. He died, Malcolm Muggeridge said, on Lenin’s birthday. A fine line stands out for me from Victor Pritchett’s obituary: ‘He has gone; but in one sense, he always made this impression of the passing traveller who meets one on the station, points out that one is waiting for the wrong train and vanishes’.) Our encounter lasts little longer than this. I can imagine now her blithe glance, her easy eyes, as she departs the way I have come. But in some queer way it lifts me. There is the sheer energy generated by a chance encounter – one with a friend in a semi-professional context, with a pop fan on the verges of the working world; a buzz lingers of the unused electricity left over from the meeting. There is her presence, her character, her distinctive existence, with me a moment then gone. Perhaps a little sweetness surges round my task, from having told her about it. For here is something I will remember her by: the way that, even during my perhaps wearisome narrative about Orwell, her interest does not seem to waver. It is not so much that the topic interests her – though perhaps it does, slightly, at least for a moment; I would like to know now, some day, how much Orwell she ever read, or whether she ever read *Coming Up for Air* (1939). It is rather that she is prepared to be interested, for now, for my sake – not patronizingly or with any fabrication, but with an inner spring of sympathy. Perhaps the best word for what I find in her is just kindness: she looks, listens, talks, kindly. Likewise, she is in no hurry, I think, to be gone anywhere: she strains at no leash. She has somewhere to be, but she is more than happy to stand and talk to me. They are such small things, I know – but they do not go unnoticed. When someone dies, people say and write the best things they can think about them. (He was a fine musician, a yachtsman, a man of parts. His lasting achievement ) That is understandable; more, perhaps it is right and good – though the sad thought remains that if all these things are true, it is a pity many of them are not often enough said during life. But while it is death that brings me to call back this memory and say these things, it has not invented them; I noticed those qualities in her at the time, at the moment, in the backwash. Surprisingly, a supplement exists to this most minimal of tales. On a messageboard Liz remarks on our meeting. I get the cash, buy a cup of coffee, read my essay and scratch corrections and doubts over it. The next day I send it off to a journal in the dim hope of publication. I don’t want nothing to come of all this work, however poor its result. Their website says they will get back to potential contributors within 3 months. It is Tuesday 5th July that I get a reply, which really surprises me: a referee has recommended publication; they don’t even ask for any changes. Probably I have escaped lightly, enjoyed a stroke of luck. But in any case, here is the result of what I was doing that day, that moment I met Liz Daplyn. Something, for once, has come of it, gone right. I wish now that I had e-mailed her and told her. If I had met her again, that night, or the following weekend, and talked, I know I would have told her about it. Of course, she would not have been interested. But in a way, she would have been interested, for the reasons I have tried to describe. I walk through Russell Square again and think of her; like others I am jolted every time I see her picture or her name in print; I even walk the same way for the same old reason, still on the way to finalizing that Orwell piece once and for all. I send it off for the last time, a final version, the day she is buried; then I walk to her wake and hear about the afternoon. I stand outside the Artillery Arms, on the pavement on a sweet evening, with two Aston Villa fans talking about the 1982 European final. One of them is Sister Disco, speaking with slow thoughtfulness about things that have been on his mind, the last couple of weeks. I am very surprised when he turns to me and says: - And the other thing that I keep thinking about is you meeting Liz in Russell Square. I wonder exactly why. Perhaps it is the momentary nature of the encounter, its randomness in a world of random life and death, its triviality in our trivial lives. Perhaps it is because it is Russell Square – and only a few hundred yards from where I meet Sister Disco myself, a month after I meet Liz D. Perhaps it is about connections – how even such a tiny one confirms the web of connections that exists between us, a little like what Virginia Woolf stretched for in that best of all Bloomsbury books: ‘And they went further and further from her, being attached to her by a thin thread (since they had already lunched with her) which would stretch and stretch, get thinner and thinner as they walked across London; as if one’s friends were attached to one’s body, after lunching with them, by a thin thread, which (as she dozed there) became hazy with the sound of bells, striking the hour or ringing to service, as a single spider’s thread is blotted with rain-drops, and, burdened, sags down. So she slept’. (I flick through the whole book, seeking such moments, and like David Thomson I marvel at it again.) My own thread is thin; I must end before it breaks. 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