July 1998 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: Re: Shoegazing
by DMC 16 Jul '98

16 Jul '98

Shoegazing was one of those scenes put together in a conspiracy by the NME and Melody Maker to tell the kids what to like. It was also referred to as 'The Scene that Celebrates Itself' - 'cos apparently everyone was really up themselves, or the Thames Vallet Scene - as all the bands came from that part of the world apparently... Well, Ride came from Oxford and Slowdive from Reading. You get the picture! It came after baggy (Roses, Mondays) and C86 (The Wedding Present, Tululah Gosh) and has been followed by such terrible things as Fraggle rock (Back to the Planet), the crusty scene (Levellers), Riot Grrrl (Huggy Bear - Lest we forget!), the New Wave of New Wave (Sleeper, Elastica), Britpop and all the other terrible tags that those who want to destroy music have come up with. Hell, lets put a tag on everything - Belle & Sebastian can be 'fey pop' and lumped in with other bands that have acoustic guitars such as the Auteurs. Or, apart from the fact that they come from Scotland could fall into London's 'Red Wine Scene' with My Life Story, Rachel Stamp or Orlando, because we can hear some strings at times! The music press love to divide us, rule us and conquer! I remember shoegazing as great, partly because I was living near Reading at the time and everyone I knew was in a shoegazing band or new someone from Chapterhouse. Anyway Steve Quarralt (is that right) bass player from Ride still works in a record shop in Reading. Waheeey - what a career. In other words shoegazing died as quickly as it began because although some of it was good such as the early Ride stuff, eg Chelsea Girl and Nowhere, most of it was pap, not P!O!P! Does that help? I've got bucketloads of shoegazing stuff at home! A mispent childhood I'm sure. It's good to discover that I am not alone in remembering those dark old days of indie pop. Dan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For unsubscribing, list rules, Tigermilk and sessions tapes, . please see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . *** B&S new LP worldwide release 7th September, tour news etc. at *** . *** http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/news.html *** . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Top 10 rumours concerning new B&S album
by Michael Jones 16 Jul '98

16 Jul '98

1. It's in mono. 2. It's out a week earlier in Uzjbekistan, with artwork by Shiro Ontake, as a double digipak featuring 'Tigermilk' re-worked by Alec Empire and Johnny Mathis. 3. An entire day's studio time was lost when a stray kitten wandered into the vocal booth. 4. Friction when the band vetoed Mick's 12-minute pan-sexual improv, 'Jazzoid Odyssey Thru Tha Eroticosmos'. Sarah describes it as 'unnecessarily saucy'. 5. Chris and Isobel leave the studio one night both feeling that 'Seymour Stein' needs a little 'oomph', and determined to do something about it. They arrive separately the following morning, Isobel arm-in-arm with Buju Banton, Chris with newest friend Shabba Ranks. Doh ! Hilarity ensues. 6. Stuart M sulks for three days after Sarah's post-rock spinoff project, Carl-Zeiss Jena, garner effusive column inches in the Falkirk Gazette & Star. 7. Stuart D hospitalized after Haliborange and Tizer binge. 8. They cover 'Pale Shelter' by Tears for Fears. 9. Erm... 10. *sigh* Mike (need your barrel scraping ? Give me a call...). _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For unsubscribing, list rules, Tigermilk and sessions tapes, . please see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . *** B&S new LP worldwide release 7th September, tour news etc. at *** . *** http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/news.html *** . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Now I'm no Canadian but...
by John Johnston 16 Jul '98

16 Jul '98

There is some fabulous Canadian music in this world. Hell there is fabulous American music and I can't bear it when people write off a country's music ability. It's stupid saying British music is ace (Chas n Dave anyone?) and others isn't or American music sucks/rules. There's just too much. Sure it's easy to slag off Celine Dion and her compatriot cronies but give the Great White North a break I say.(BTW - I'm not trying to "have a go" at Suzanne S, I'm merely trying to engage in the full and frank exchange of robust opinions that makes Sinister the place it is (indeed I second her emotions concerning Arab Strap - can we have a list crush please??)). But I've always felt that if you have problems with the Barenaked Ladies then you take life/music far too seriously. I've seen them live on a number of occasions in Scotland and England and there gigs are so joyous - such a celebration of being young and alive that they've really lifted me. Sure they do "novelty" songs but they also do some really moving "straight" songs as well. Part of their genius is the way they can switch the mood of their gigs so brilliantly. And I've always thought that never in a million years could a band like that come from the UK - The Barenakeds don't have "attitude" or cynicism , they are so unselfconscious -they go out there and have fun and rock one for the kids; bands like them and others like Moxy Fruvous could only be Canadian in my books. The Smiths said burn down the disco coz the music "said nothing to me about my life". I sometimes think "Thank God it doesn't! If every song I heard said I was balding computer programmer who couldn't find a girlfriend - my world would be a very miserable place indeed". >Nobody ever thinks of Canada when they talk about music, True enough, but when I think about Canada I often think about the music (and double stuff Fudgee-os) xx JJ - not that JJ I'm another one > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For unsubscribing, list rules, Tigermilk and sessions tapes, . please see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . *** B&S new LP worldwide release 7th September, tour news etc. at *** . *** http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/news.html *** . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: RE: Shoegazing..... (No B&S content)
by Edmund Hornsby 16 Jul '98

16 Jul '98

>this might sound utterly daft, but can someone please explain to me what >shoegazers are? my music guide thingy lists, as Shoe Gazers: >blur (indie pop, had one song that was bunched in for no reason, shes so high) >charlatans uk (never seen as shoegazers) >happy mondays (baggy) >inspiral carpets (baggy) >my bloody valentine (shoegazers sort of, 'isn't anything' was the album you had to sound like to be bunched in, but they grew out of it by Loveless) >portishead (far too late, trip hop anyway) >stone roses (baggy) >suede (indie pop and far too late) >i dont see that much of a connection... Well, that's because, as was pointed out before, your books being lying to you. Shoegazing was a totally UK based scene which involved any band who 'stared at their shoes'. The height of the scene was in about 1991, with the obvious point of demise being Nirvana's 'Nevermind' and their headlining Reading in 1992. On the main stage of Reading 1991, Chapterhouse had played directly before Nirvana and had watched them afterward feeling, well shall I say somewhat distraut. The probable height for most of the bands was the first Slough festival (this only ran for 2 years and the second one contained bands like Senseless Things and Silverfish!) The only band I associate with Shoegazing from your list is: MBV, and they soon distanced themselves from that tag. The bands I would think were best known for the period were Ride, Chapterhouse, Moose, Lush, Revolver, Catherine Wheel (early). There were less known ones: The Belltower (US), Blind Mr Jones, Drop 19's (US), That Uncertain Feeling. And ones which were loosely associated: Telescopes, Adorable, Boo Radleys. Notice also how many of these bands were on Creation and Dedicated. Some of the bands had good careers after but to my mind only Ride stuck to a similar formula. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For unsubscribing, list rules, Tigermilk and sessions tapes, . please see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . *** B&S new LP worldwide release 7th September, tour news etc. at *** . *** http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/news.html *** . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: shoegazing
by Keith Watson 16 Jul '98

16 Jul '98

>>this might sound utterly daft, but can someone please explain to me what >>shoegazers are? my music guide thingy lists, as Shoe Gazers: >>blur >>charlatans uk >>happy mondays >>inspiral carpets >>my bloody valentine >>portishead >>stone roses >>suede Dear dear, your book seems to claim shoegazers were pretty much every UK band to appear between 1989 and 1993. OK, in November 1989, into the charts with a smack a bang and a wallop went the Stone Roses, the Happy Mondays and (just outside the charts with a plop) the Inspiral Carpets. This was the first wave of Madchester (rave on) or as it was far later called variously "Baggy" and "Indie Dance". It changed a lot of things in most of the people I know's book and it was a great time for music - everyone was talking about it at school the Monday after the Roses and the Mondays did She bangs the drums and W.F.L on the chart show. A great P!O!P! moment. And likewise for them both on Top of the P!O!P!S! For the next year and a half this got steadily worse until everyone was right-royally sick to death of shit bands claiming that there had always been a dance element to their music, so the music press gallantly invented another scene, trying to keep up the momentum (quite rightly in my opinion), however the bands weren't much cop, and it didn't last too long, and that was shoegazing, influenced by mainly MBV and the Cocteau Twins I suppose (Lush got produced by Robin Guthrie). Slowdive, Ride, Moose, Revolver, Chapterhouse etc I suppose. This lasted for a bit and then John Harris from the NME did a big article about Madchester one week and very amusingly pointed out that we'd only realized that the party had stopped when you saw the likes of the Frank and Walters on the cover. Suede popped up about this time, and whilst nothing really new, were dead good and pretty much existed in a world of their own. Verve appeared at the same time, and whilst at first no-one could really decide whether they were shoegazers or not, I suppose they're definitely not now. Verve were good too - a lot of people will disagree with me on that one, but then, you have to be the sort of person who likes Pink Floyd and early Simple minds albums to like them. Christ only knows how they managed to get Portishead into the list, as they were/are more what the press terms "Trip-Hop" which is as good a term as any. Trip Hop has, as opposed to Shoegazing produced in my opinion many memorable records, as a result all I've got shoegazing-wise is the first slowdive LP, (bought for 99p), the first Chapterhouse one (borrowed off a mate and never gave back), a couple of Lush singles, and most of the Ride stuff. On the other hand I've bought almost everything Mo'Wax has released (although this isn't entirely advisable - some of it's a load of shit). Oh yeah, and Blur, well they've just jumped around from scene to scene trying to make it look like they'd invented eveey one of them. I remember clearly Damon Albarn trying to claim he had "Killed Baggy" - Doh! You daft bastard, you've just been on top of the pops dresssed up as the Stone Roses! That's the way I saw it at the time anyway. Cheers, Keith. (what a BIG paragraph! W!O!W!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For unsubscribing, list rules, Tigermilk and sessions tapes, . please see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . *** B&S new LP worldwide release 7th September, tour news etc. at *** . *** http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/news.html *** . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Amber Cullet
by Adrian Evans 16 Jul '98

16 Jul '98

Nick wrote : >Ah-ha - but you've fallen into my trap. I never said that gay boy >foppery was a *bad* thing, did I? That's just you and your rampant >homophobic gloss. Arsetitshitbuggerbollocks......take that back please....did I say gayboy foppery was a bad thing ? Not my thing admittedly but my reference was to the song and not my stance on anyones sexual persuasion and I guess now I've fallen into another trap of yours and you are just rubbing me up the wrong way and it's working....if you'll pardon the expression. >Nick, who has not been called Nick Dastardly since primary school. mmmmmm..says a lot about my mental age probably, but then I wouldn't be alone there. Adrian.x. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For unsubscribing, list rules, Tigermilk and sessions tapes, . please see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . *** B&S new LP worldwide release 7th September, tour news etc. at *** . *** http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/news.html *** . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: top tens
by John Stuart/mail+schedule 16 Jul '98

16 Jul '98

>I noticed a similarity between a B&S song and the Charles in Charge theme >song, but the song was Stars of Track and Field. The part where he sings >"You never know/because you never show it/you always get your way" sounds >exactly like "Charles in Charge/ of our days/ and our nights". What can I >say: great theme song, great album opener. A band called Smudge did a cover of that Charles in Charge song. Never heard of the programme, but the theme's quite a nice piece of pop. If your interested the song's on Smudge's album Manalow. J. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For unsubscribing, list rules, Tigermilk and sessions tapes, . please see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . *** B&S new LP worldwide release 7th September, tour news etc. at *** . *** http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/news.html *** . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: sleep the clock around
by Jose Maria Sagúillo (hijo) 16 Jul '98

16 Jul '98

Good morning I want to ask you something. would you please to write the lyrics of "Sleep the clock around" for me? My ssesions tape have a poor quality and it's hard to understand all the words. thanks in advance ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For unsubscribing, list rules, Tigermilk and sessions tapes, . please see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . *** B&S new LP worldwide release 7th September, tour news etc. at *** . *** http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/news.html *** . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Seeing Other People & List Crushes
by jon g. 16 Jul '98

16 Jul '98

I went to Glasgow from Saturday to Wednesday and since I've been away, there's been loads of on-topic messages. It's very strange. Anyway, I like Seeing Other People. So hands off. I like the slow version as well. bethey prefers the sinister version. So there. And list crushes. I'm not going to tell you who mine is, but I've just realised that bethey, being so wee, will have to go for an older man! This amuses me no end, the only reason being I'm a bit warped. Maybe. Well, anyway - I can't stay chatting all day. Oh, and get drafting your birthday messages for me. bye jon.g(a)btinternet.com - http://surf.to/jongandbethey *****BIRTHDAY: 18th July - THIS SATURDAY!!!!********** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For unsubscribing, list rules, Tigermilk and sessions tapes, . please see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . *** B&S new LP worldwide release 7th September, tour news etc. at *** . *** http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/news.html *** . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Plea For Sanity
by PJMiller 16 Jul '98

16 Jul '98

Katrina, you really should do that LP review, you know. How about a song per day? Don't forget to refer to the rough versions as well. We all know you're not really showing off your "big new dumper truck". No one would accuse a banana shop employee of showing off if he/she suddenly started going on about bananas. Anyone who doesn't want to read it can simply delete. I think most of us would be genuinely interested in a bit of inside information. Who is Gaz Top? Is he the Nobby the Sheep bloke? What is Charles in Charge? Is he that Chachi Loves Joanie bloke? I think "that woman" adds an extra dimension to LLPJ, especially the part about running miles in some boy's jumper. Which is one of my favourite bits. It is like an expertly wielded scalpel to the bottom of my very soul. Neil Young is Canadian, I like him. His songs are like expertly wielded scalpels to the bottom of my very soul. Pre-Craetion MBV is okay if you like what reviewers tend to call "indie introspection", they were loud and P!O!P! but the songs weren't expertly wielded scalpels to the bottom of my very soul. Shoegazing was a label attached to loads of bands who were a little bit MBV, a little bit Cocteaus. Most of the band members were supposedly Jaspers AWOL from the Buckaroo den. Some other groups got bunged in with them, the Boo Radleys being famously referred to as "shoegazing poo with trumpets". Adrian, what do you mean, CATCH THE PIGEON? Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For unsubscribing, list rules, Tigermilk and sessions tapes, . please see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . *** B&S new LP worldwide release 7th September, tour news etc. at *** . *** http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/news.html *** . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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