......who does "throw discus for Liverpool and Widnes"
Anyone know?
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The duke said:
> whip up a
> storm. but don't let the neighbours hear or
> you'll get them hurling abuse at you for selling
> out as you tidy the lawn.
>
[Hopkins T]
Neighbours? NEIGHBOURS!? Anyone with neighbours (indeed with any
kind of contact with other humans) is automatically a sell-out. Isn't
that obvious?
Tim
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I don't know if anyone remembers this but it's been causing me
sleepless nights. When asked about their influences, one member (I
forget who), replied 'does Eric Cantona think about George Best when
he puts one past Liverpool' (or words to that effect). Surely this
obviously tasteless remark showing apparent sympathy with the evil red
scum that strut around week after week, and their pathetic following
smugly occupying the bars of the Home Counties cannot go unpunished.
A misquote perhaps 'Surely Gio Kinkladze doesn't think about Sir
Francis Lee when he's putting one past err..Swindon'. I hope we can
ensure that this obvious faux pas is never repeated.
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Why this is important...well, yes, of course it's important. None of
us would be on the list if we didn't think it was important in some
way. I dunno, I'm not a shallow man, but I don't know what pop is,
and I don't really care. I know what it isn't (deconstructing it
endlessly seems a pretty good place to start on that score), and I
know what it does to me and to everyone I care about.
It's a see of happy faces on a Saturday night with 'Me and the Major'
perfectly at home between 'Give him a great big kiss' and 'Summer
Babe', some mouthing the words, some just smiling, boys and girls
meeting 'oh, do you like Belle and Sebastian too', it's hearing
'Modern Rock Song' properly for the first time in the car and not
being able to drive cos it made me cry it made me so happy, it's being
in Glasgow in March and squeezing the hand of someone I'd been worried
about, and her squeezing mine back and just knowing everything was
going to be OK because they were on stage playing our song, it's a
bunch of gawky kids from Glasgow, just like you and me, who know
they've stumbled on the recipe for love, but are scared to talk about
it in case they lose it forever.
No, I don't know what it is...what I do know is we're here and it's
now....
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This is designed to set the ball rolling....
The meek might not inherit the earth, but Belle and
Sebastian will be sitting there quietly until the very last
vote is counted. Their songs are snapshots of the twilight
autumnal teatime of the soul, populated by perverted vicars,
lovelorn school kids, Sid James and a brussel sprout called
Elvis.
Eight people make up Belle and Sebastian. They are Stuart
"Stewpot" Murdoch, an ex-amateur boxer with lyrical hotline
to the emotionally orphaned; Chris Geddes, the alarming
result of an LSD drenched sexual union between Rick Wakeman
and Worzel Gummidge; Sarah Martin, a roller-skating
stylophone, xylophone and telephone whizz; Isobel Campbell,
a one-woman string quartet and tambourine thumper; Stuart
David, paving the way with his monolithic bass foundation
shakers; Stevie Jackson, whose delicate guitar runs recall
Mike Oldfield at his best; Mick Cooke; trumpet vounteer with
the patience of a saint, and last but not least, Richard
Colburn, extended drum solos made to measure.
They met over butterfly cakes and tea at a church hall fund
raising function.
Only 1000 copies were pressed of their debut album,
"Tigermilk". It namechecked Funkadelic and The Velvet
Underground, but managed to avoid sounding like either. The
lyrical pivot was "do something pretty while you can". The
follow-up LP, "If You're Feeling Sinister" showed a wider
public that the group had lost none of their charm or
quirkiness, but were maturing into a tight group that packed
a "get yer boots on" punch when necessary.
Sporadic live appearances delighted the devoted and
infuriated some non-believers. Oasis conquered Knebworth,
Belle and Sebastian's Kelvingrove Park festival disappeared
in the Glasgow drizzle. Poetic justice.
Three EPs followed, increasing in competence and confidence.
A trip to New York earned the band favourable reviews in
staid publications such as The New York Times and the
legendary New Yorker magazine. A triumphal concert in a
medieval square in Barcelona was a fitting climax to a hazy
summer for Belle and Sebastian.
Record company interest is said to be at a high level, with
rumours of a Terry Thomas vintage car chase across Europe in
search of the near mythical "Tigermilk" mastertapes.
Records.
If You're Feeling Sinister LP (Jeepster) A treat for jaded
ears. Vicars base sermons around it.
3, 6, 9 Seconds of Light EP (Jeepster) Gentle and rollicking
in equal amounts. Good for the soul.
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OK - I got a reply from those nice people at "Rough Guides" and
surprisingly they are gagging for an entry on B&S (well sort of). Peter
Miller's submitted a first draft and no-one else sent any more boo hiss.
I think it would be GREAT if this list sent a "combined" entry to Rough
Guides, got it published under the list's name rather than an individual
and sent the 25 quid to David's poor PC. But to do that we need more
contributions, corrections and maybe a bit more band history. Can anyone
help? Any old rubbish happily accepted as long as you're all prepared for
some fascist editing in the long run.
I'll send on Peter's first draft again in a minute - here's the
reply from Mr Rough Guides to inspire you.
Paul
mailto:owner-sinister@majordomo.net
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:35:27 +0100
From: Alan Spicer <aspicer(a)roughguides.co.uk>
Reply-To: al(a)roughguides.co.uk
To: psm(a)Majordomo.net
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Belle and Sebastian]
Hiya Paul, thanks for dropping by...
> I'm mailing you to ask whether you would be interested in a submission
> to
> the Rough Guide about the band "Belle and Sebastian"?
Yup!
> I know this all
> depends on the quality of the submission(!) but I would like to know
> what
> your criteria are for inclusion for the band themselves?
Our criteria are sometimes rigid, though more often made up on the
spot...I've been on the lookout for a B&S bio for sometime...so they've
passed the first hurdle.
>
>
> I am asking because I run the mailing list for the band (details at
>
> http://www.majordomo.net/sinister
Oho! Any chance of a freebie CD then? [shameless scrounge I know, but
the record companies are so tight fisted these days you have to be Paul
Du Noyer to even get on the list]
>
>
> ). There's a suggestion that members on the list submit an entry to
> your
> esteemed publication, which seems to support the best in music just
> now.
[preen preen] Ta!
> We'd like to see an entry, and we'd like to see a collaborative effort
> -
> currently 260 people on the mailing list, many of whom know more than
> the
> band themselves and some wonderful writers - we are currently judging
> a
> writing competition. So we might also want the submission to be from
> the
> list itself rather than an individual - IF that's possible.
Oh but that'd be marvellous...I'm at a bit of a loss as to what to do
with the 25-quid fee though...perhaps you and I should invest it in
drink?
>
>
> Anyway can you advise whether we should try? It's understood that
> there's
> no guarantee of acceptance but I suppose I'd just like to know if we'd
> be
> ruled out from the beginning...
Try, old thing try...here's the blurb I send to all my wannabes, edit
away as you wish but there's the rough idea...
===================================================
ROUGH GUIDE TO ROCK II - THE AWFUL TRUTH
Essentially, you'll be writing for nothing except the glory of seeing
your name and writing on our site. If you can parlay that up into a
full-time career, great, but you won't get rich writing for Rough
Guides. So....what happens next?
Well, you write up your piece - preferably in Word or something similar
so you can email it to me - and let me have it at this email address or
the snailmail address at the end of this message. Then I do a swift edit
on the piece to polish it up and to justify my paycheck. The edited
version is submitted to you for your approval and, once we're both
happy, it goes online.
At this stage, you go tell all your friends and everybody gets to see
your name on the WWW (wow!).
Eventually, assuming the entry makes it into the printed version of the
book (which won't be published till '98 at the earliest) you get paid
the
princely sum of $40/�25 and we get all the rights.
Here are a few guidelines
If you go online to
http://www.roughguides.com/rock/entries/BUZZCOCKS.html, I've been using
that as a reference. You might want to do a bit of browsing around from
http://www.roughguides.com/rock to get a feel for the style we like and
check out a few of the other entries.
First up, apart from the name of the band, we need born/died or
formed/split up dates.
Next up, if you can come up with a great quote about or by the band
(except lyrics) that would be great, if not, no sweat.
A 1000-word biography will generally be
sufficient. The biog should be more than a simple history of who joined,
who left, which album came out next etc: we're looking for writing
that'll convey what the music sounds like to those of us who don't know,
that makes the reader shiver with anticipation, that'll convince couch
potatoes like me to get out and spend lots of money - if you can fit in
a few interesting anecdotes and bits of gossip, even better. You
have to keep the laws of libel in mind though.
Next up; a selective discography, their best full-length recordings and
reviews written to convince me to buy them.
Finally, though this isn't in place yet for the Buzzcocks piece, a list
of websites run by fans or the record companies - if
there are hundreds of sites, recommend the best only.
The whole guide was assembled on the assumption that each
review would be generally favorable, though not afraid to criticise
where necessary.
And that's it.
================================================
>
>
> Of course, we think they'll be massive..!
Despite not having heard anything BY them, only ABOUT them, I hope so
too.
>
>
> Paul Mitchell
> mailto:psm@Majordomo.net
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<<Yummycats wrote>>
>>>Don't you "sell out" the moment you sign a
>>>recording contract?
>>>>>
Funny I thought it was more the first time you get paid
for playing a gig or selling a self-manufactured 7" or
demo tape....the moment your music make syou money
of any kind.
--kelso
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<<tangent wrote>>
>>>or Merle Haggard! Is Merle still of this earth?
>>>>
Merle Haggard is still very much alive and even
touring....just played in New York this month.
--kelso
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Does anyone know what? where? when? as regards the B&S gigs in
Manchester?
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Indie Pop is like a game of Kerr-plunk!! - a cacophony of
clattering noises and lots of bright colours.
Mainstream Pop is like a game of Buckaroo!! - the rewards
are greater, the excitement is multiplied, but the more
records you sell, the more the pressure increases until one
day the donkey bucks and all your hard work is scattered all
over the living room, leaving you to pick up the pieces.
I've just bought "Shleep" by smelly hippy Robert Wyatt. It
is so nicely packaged (the cellophane annd everything) that
I don't want to open it. Is this part of the pop experience,
or am I going a bit loopy?
Only one of Simon and Garfunkel had a dodgy haircut. And it
wasn't Garfunkel. The song "Cecelia" reminds me of when I
went on a school trip to Butlin's Barry Island. We did
parachute jumps from training towers (just like Action Man)
under the supervision of soldiers. "Cecilia" was on the
radio as they yelled at me to get in position to jump off.
The soldiers were singing, but instaed of the real words
they sang, "Cecilia, you're breaking my fart" which was
quite disconcerting at that age.
I suggest breaking an egg into the back of the broken
computer. It usually works for most things.
Tell us more about this interview, anyone willing to soil
themselves with a music paper. I won't be able to get it for
at least two weeks and for double the price. Nevertheless, I
do buy it sometimes, mainly to drool over the adverts at the
back. Pop or wot?
Peter
PS: I'm quite enjoying all this philosophical stuff really.
A bit beyond me, though.
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