John Jackson wrote:

No I was just insinuating that the 'duke' just says things like Matt Haynes used to in his fanzines. Years ago.

and before Matt Haynes? do you want to go back further? we could talk about Paul Morley, or Dave McCullogh... Nik Cohn... Or we could say Kevin Pearce even.. All people who have written words and expressed ideas about Pop that i have taken to heart and which have informed my life to some extent. same as the musics/lyrics of vic godard, lawrence, belle & sebastian, rupert parkes... a truckload of others. I've been writing in the way i have, with obvious developments, for years, since i first started writing fanzines (initially for just my friends) when i was about 14, which was before i ever saw a copy of AYSTGH, incidentally. Tim for one has seen the stuff i've written since that time, but it's not relevent really, because i don't care what you think, just what i know. I loved what Matt used to write and i loved the way he wrote it, same as with the others i mentioned. If you think that saying those things in that way is somehow restricted to a moment in time then i think that's very sad. It's got nothing to do with musical styles, or moments in time, but is to do with intenet and passion and style. I have tried to express, through the years, that same passion and hope which i have found in numerous areas. I wrote it all 'about' McCarthy in 1988, i wrote it all 'about' Jungle in 1995 and i wrote it all 'about' belle & sebastian in 1997. To suggest that i'm just copying what Matt Haynes wrote, either in content or style is to miss the point both of what i'm writtng and what Matt has written.

That's all. I've heard it all before. And I wish he'd stop going on about the Jasmine Minks. Really.

you've heard it all before, yeah i've fucking heard it all before, but that doesn't make it less relevent, it just means that some people aren't content to leave emotional responses, and ideals about right and wrong, good and bad, behind in the chase after some nebulous idea of fashionable sound. There are younger generations who HAVE NOT HEARD IT all. Generations who, for better or for worse, are in a situation where their culture is fragmented to the point of a meaningless homogenized glut, and who may not realise that, in effect, it is THEY who have some potential in them to change things for the better, whatever that might be in their eyes. I keep thinking about some lines in Absolute Beginners... okay, i'll shut up about the Jasmine Minks... maybe. I think Sarah was glad that i mentioned them, i know i'm glad she bothered to show the interest to say, 'can i hear them please'. She CARED enough to explore, to learn about other things that the mainstream (and mainstream 'alternative') media will not tell her about. It's all just jumping off points... what you do with it, how you take it after that is up to you.

My favourite shalala flexi was the Razorcuts/Talulah Gosh one. Sad Kaleidoscope on her mind..or something..

the one with The Visitors on. 'pinteresque' i think is the word. :-) keep the faith, the duke -- Tangents On-Line http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK tangent@lineone.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister@majordomo.net . Listen, this is pish, I think I'll leave -----------------------------------------------------------------------