Hiya, Boy do I love all this tracking down obscure info. There's likely something wrong with me, isn't there? hay fever wrote:

well it's not that easy. people seem to sit on them like if they were exposed to light they would melt and be ruined forever. but i bet that > a lot of the listies have these songs on tapes, mds or cdrs in their bedrooms. i have calculated that these tracks;

You know, I see where you're coming from, but don't forget that a lot of us have made umpteen copies of these for people. It gets so you have 10 or 12 tapes you have to make people and you feel guilty that each day goes by where you don't get one made. So the prospect of making more becomes quite unpleasant and stressful unless you get something in return.

- Family Tree (have only been heard in dublin if my memory is right)

Oooh, that's a new one to me!

- Hurley's Got A Dream (or Hurley's Having Dreams, demo) - Pocketbook Angel (i only have this one on demo tape aswell) - London Has Let Me Down (i got this from a demo tape)

None of these are, to my knowledge, B&S songs. They were all written & recorded by Stuart M before the formation of the band. It should be noted, however, that supposedly a number of B&S came (come?) from Stuart M. demos, and that all three of these are gems, especially the summery Pocketbook Angel. They all sound pretty much like B&S too, except with double-tracked vocals and other 4-track-sounding things. I think that everyone who has a tape of Stuart's demos aside fromt these 3 songs has taken a vow of secrecy, because there are reportedly several of them (3 or 4 I think) and that only 3 tracks have surfaced is a sort of reverse miracle, I think. I made a post about this some time ago, and I think I had been able to squeeze some of the titles out of people. One of the tapes I think was called Lisa Helps the Blind, which could mean it was the same material as was played at the in-store which someone mentioned (Andy Dean, was it?) being at. Also there is a possible connection with the song "Beautiful," ("They let Lisa go blind, let Lisa go blind, let Lisa go bli-i-ind" =). Er, yes, and possibly one of the songs entitled "Perfection As a Hipster," although I'm not sure of the truth to that. Haven't heard the song either, sad to say.

- The Loneliness Of A Middle Distance Runner (live, demo and radio)

My money says this is the A-side of the next single. Besides the fact that it's brilliant, Stuart M. posted and I believe he said somethign on the order of the best song they'd written yet. It's been written for some time, but the band can't get a version they like recorded.

- Lord Anthony (there are a few really nice audience recordings) - Paperboat (bbc camper sand has a really nice version of this one)

Also listed as being on the next ep and Stuart M. mentioned the band had just recorded each in two posts to the list some time ago.

- Rhoda (also only on demo but i might be live version of this one)

If anyone has a live version I'd like to hear it. From what I've been told, it was written between Tigermilk & Sinister, recorded with Sinister, became an outtake (much like Modern Rock Song was for a time) and likely will remain so. Decent song, beautiful lyrics, shoddy 9th gen copies of it =) There was also a mention of this once having been a possibility of being included on one or another the 3 Summer EPs but I guess it never happened.

- Tigermilk (instrumental track, written for TBWTAS, great quality)

Was this really written for TWATTYBUS? I remember some people had heard it live. If anyone has this I'd really *really* like to hear it. I have lots of stuff to trade too...

- Landslide - Winter Wooskie (bbc bowlie recording and from the dublin show)

Mentioned possibly as being on the next album in an interview with Stuart David (see <http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/cgi-local/listsearch.cgi?query=winter+woofkie&Search.x=77&Search.y=16> or search the archives for Winter Woofkie). Other song titles mentioned: Marx and Engels, I Fought In A War, Once Upon A Weekend, Wake Her Up.

- The Wrong Girl/Love (few really good recordings of this one around)

Also featured on a session. I wonder if it might not get a proper release. Far and away my favorite Stevie song. I recall hearing that all the songs on the next album would be Stuart M. songs, which cast a doubt on the likelihood it'll be on the next album. Then again, I haven't had time to listen to my Bowlie tape yet, isn't Winter Wooskie/Woofkie a Stuart D. song, and isn't Landslide an Isobel one?

hmmm i have localized these tracks to be covers but i am not sure,

- Turn Turn Turn (the Byrds) - The Kids Are Alright (the Who) - In A Nutshell (Orange Juice) - What Goes On (Beatles) - Poupee de Cire, Poupee de Son (France Gall)

Yep, but also there are: An R.E.M. song whose name escapes me "Shadows Breaking Over My Head," by the Left Banke "Reel Around the Fountain" by the Smiths a song from Beck's first album "Mirror" by the Velvet Underground & Nico and a song or two that escape me...

wouldn't be suprised if you would add any Felt track to the list,

Haven't heard of it yet, but I do have a recording of Stuart David reading Ink Polaroids overtop of "A Preacher in New England," which I once thought was the instrumental Tigermilk. I have now witnessed the joy that is the search engine. For the curious, here's my post on other silly trainspotting minutiae: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/cgi-local/listsearch.cgi?query=lisa+helps+the+blind&Search.x=41&Search.y=16 see my post, and also if you're curious Andy Dean's post on seeing the two Stuarts open for the Pastels in '95. Sorry to those of you who don't find this stuff fascinating like me. You know, though, anything I could do would be put to shame by New Order/Factory fanatics. There's even a New Order gig-ography with every known concert and its respective setlist, info, comments. Some obsessive B&S needs to start doing one for our favorite Glaswegians, we're already way behind... Mick McMick at work +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+