Ah, the beauty of opinions truly does lie in their similarity to assholes. Everybody's got one, though not everyone is so keen on having you share it with them. Add me to the tally of those who profess their reluctance to chime in just as they do so but I couldn't hold my tongue any longer after seeing Eric's post. I beg your tolerance in this matter because I really am acting (I hope) in the interest of the public good. My points are few and will be made as quickly as possible. Ahem, 1. "christ, I'm tired of this. let's all move on" It seems every post on this subject has contained some variation on this. It's really just an indirect way of saying "please let me have the last word". If you really want an issue to die, DON'T BRING IT UP. Learning this now will save you and your boyfriend/girlfriend/spouse a lot of grief. The trick is choosing your battles and caring more about peace than winning. 2. Mr. Robertson is one hell of a great guy. It is very nice of him and the folks at jeepster to keep us informed and reign us in when our speculation gets out of control (notice how silent they were on the issue of Isobel's head scarf though? hmmm). Did he overreact? Was he "unprofessional"? Maybe. Was he right? Definitely. Julie sounded like a brat and she aimed not at the lamentable situation but at the people she thought were responsible. Wait your turn may be hard to hear, but it's something most of us have already had to do, so suck it up. Julie would do well to phrase her complaints more carefully. I am sure many of us sympathized (not me mind; I've got a ticket) but the list rules are there for a reason and we've all been reminded of what they say about personal attacks. 3. My only complaint about Neil and some of his subsequent sinister defenders is their apparent willingness to attribute the complainants' attitude to their nationality. C'mon guys, that hurts. I personally plan to follow the Kyoto treaty to the letter. That's a slippery slope too. Perhaps you'd like to similarly generalize about the tendencies of Pakistanis or Jews? I'm not accusing anyone of any maliciousness or prejudice, just something to think about. Thanks for listening, or reading, to the few of you left who can't get enough of this psychodrama. I hope we can put this behind us soon [not now of course because see point #1 and I don't expect to get off clean after coming so close to calling Julie a brat and Neil a racist (if you read carefully you'll see I did neither)] and I really think we'll emerge stronger for it. Or just disappear. Whichever's fine with me. I never liked us much anyway. - Rinaldo ----Original Message Follows---- From: eric the half a bee <cheesebunhead@yahoo.co.uk> Reply-To: eric the half a bee <cheesebunhead@yahoo.co.uk> To: sinister@missprint.org Subject: Sinister: neil vs. americans, sunday sunday sunday! Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:12:13 +0100 (BST) I've been trying and trying to stay out of this, but I'm tired of getting posts about the following: 1) neil is wonderful 2) neil is evil 3) americans aren't better than anyone else 4) fans do/do not have any special claim on the object of their fandom to everyone who thinks julie was complaining about the lack of a b&s east coast tour, go and read her post again. here, I've made it easy for you: http://www.missprint.org/sinister/mhonarc/latest/msg00050.html about neil's response: yes, julie was harsh. but, I think it was meant to be *humorous* (albeit spot-on). even if julie called neil every name in the book (which she didn't) neil should have the restraint, maturity, and common sense not to publicly attack her. he is supposedly a professional, and professionals don't act like that, and the fact that he did is more proof in defense of julie's points. christ, I'm tired of this. let's all move on. -eric ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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