this is probably really boring, but they are called plus fours coz they were four inches longer than standard breaches, none of that jilly gouldon bollocks. Those awfull pedal pushers are only back coz some poncy designer wathched grease and thought lets make the female population of britain look ridiculous, ha ha. sorry about that. colin. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister@majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo@majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+