November 1998 - Sinister

Sinister: The Portrait of Philippe G.
by Aranzazu Sanz-Garcia 04 Nov '98

04 Nov '98

So, another day checking the photos site, and no Philippe's pictures...sniff. By the way, Megan is there , just in the babies section, looking as cute as expected. Megan, your messages are so cheering! By the way, what do you have to do (probably it is a FAQ but I feel to lazy to check again)to send some picture of you to Sinister? I have realised that everybody is rushing to promote themselves as winners of 'Crush of the list' , so I will have to rush into the photographer, too, I have tried to see the photos at :lorseau.citeweb.net/isession.htm but I cannot download the page...is this address all right? Philippe, I have to confess my main interest was to guess if you were in any of them. Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: In love?
by Horlivy, Dorigen 04 Nov '98

04 Nov '98

I have a question. I was at the show on Monday and was wondering if Stuart M. and Isobel are a couple. The way he looked at her when she was singing made my heart melt. Dorigen Horlivy +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: mmmmmm
by J. MURTAGH 04 Nov '98

04 Nov '98

I've just noticed something that it is really annoying ina Eureka! kinda way. Why do girls wear, combats, body warmers, Bronx hats and big boarder trainers? STOP TRYING TO BE BLOKES AND HARD! ALL SAINTS SHOULD BE TRIED IN SOME ONE'S ESTABLISHED COURT OF ANNOYING CULTURAL OBLIVIONS.!!!!!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: pre-B&S/the formation of the band
by david kitchen - jeepster 04 Nov '98

04 Nov '98

Mick McMick wrote: > Also, all of this is just what I read, so a good deal of it may be > false. If you know it to be, please let me know that too. Honey said > he'd like to put it on the website as well. Well, probably. well, here we are, correcting things already ! as for the site thing, it already exists on the jeepster site at http://www.jeepster.co.uk/belleandsebastian/faq/biography.htm and i can simply update the relevant parts if someone discovers something new :) the biog (which is effectively what this is!) was originally written by katrina when we were all writing bits for hopeful inclusion in a 'rough guide' type book on music. > Firstly by now we've probably all heard that Stuart Murdoch wrote > rather a lot of songs on his own. Apparently he searched to be in a band > for a while. He made some cassette tapes, at least two, and gave them to > various people. I heard from a friend that he visited America for a > time, and brought some demos with him. Supposedly he "jammed" with my > friend's friends in Portland, but we'll never know the truth to that. that bit is unfounded, we'll ask stuart m when he settles down, though i'm pretty sure there are a lot of people who can lay claim to similiar things due to stuart's passionate search for band members. > Suffice it to say he wrote some of his own songs, that's all that's > important. One of the demos, supposedly the first, was released in '94 > and entitled Le Pastie de la Bourgeosie, and apparently featured the > song of the same name. Another was perhaps entitled Lisa Helps the > Blind. No idea on song titles, number of songs, etc. possibly also contained the first versions of 'sleep the clock...' and 'electronic ren...' > Stuart recorded the vaguely known Stow demos ("Pocketbook Angel," > "London Has Let Me Down Again," "Hurley's Having Dreams,") at Stow > College, alone (unless you count the drum machine). note, he was NOT on the stow college project, i actually think these demo's were recorded in 'beat box' and not stow. > Stuarts Murdoch and David met through a government program and > collaborated as Rhode Island, sending Jeepster a demo with Dog on > Wheels, the State That I Am in, Belle and Sebastian, and My Wandering > Days Are Over. this is false, they did collaborate and record the demo, but the route to jeepster was via neil robertson who was doing the stow college music course with stuart david (not stuart m). neil hadn't sent a tape in for a while and mark jones (one of the jeepster bosses) asked neil to send him whatever he had, neil the sent a tape down with lots of stuff on it, 'rhode island' were just one of the bands on that tape, i think there were 2 or 3 songs on that tape, one of which was 'the state i am in'. > They did some bedroom gigs, as well as Glasgow radio > session. No word on the songs, though. Rhode Island recorded the Dog on > Wheels EP with Mick Cooke and various studio musicians, I guess for > release on Jeepster? Not sure about that. nope, just original demos'. jeepster released them after mark jones and stuart m had a talk, jeepster felt the recordings were important and shouldn't be shelved, stuart m agreed and the demo's formed the ep. > For reasons unknown to me, they formed the band from people met at the > Grosvenor (sp?) Cafe in Glasgow. I don't know if these were random or > auditions, but I suppose auditions. Richard Colburn was living in a flat > with Stuart David (I think). This was in January of 1996. roughly right. they were spending all their time in the café at that time, i think it was just a case of approaching everyone or being approached. at that time it appears that if you could play something no-one else could play and they liked you, then you were in the band! > Not sure as to why "Modern Rock Song," only mentions certain members of > the band. Perhaps they had an early incarnation as the Stuarts + Richard > and...did they mention Stevie in Modern Rock Song? My memory's gone > fuzzy and I'm too lazy to go listen to my session. we're unsure of this as well. one idea is that 'modern rock' was written in an early rehearsal/jam and that whoever was present and consented managed to get written into the song. it's clear that sarah wasn't in the band at that time, but everyone else was. mick was still a friend/session musician, he joined a lot later but was there for this. > They played an early gig in a bedroom in Glasgow, probably some days > after forming, on the 13th of January. The lineup consisted only of > Stuart M, Richard, and possibly Isobel. Here's what they played: > > Mary Jo > Expectations > My Wandering Days Are Over > You're Just A Baby > Your Idea of Fun* > I Don't Love Anyone > The State I Am In which i guess you've discovered from the old flyer that advertised it. the set list was announced on the flyer as a 'programme'. > Then they recorded Tigermilk at Stow, added Sarah somewhere after that, > then signed to Jeepster in August 1st '96. Mick played with them on > various recordings, but didn't become an official member of the band > until...I think just before 3...6...9 you can fill the rest in using the biog we already have, i hope you don't mind if the timeline jumps a bit now so that i can include that biog for you... -- biography Belle and Sebastian were formed in an all-night café in Glasgow, January 1996. Stuart Murdoch (singer/songwriter) and Stuart David (bass guitar) met on a government training scheme and recorded some demos, which were picked up by a Jeepster scout who was taking part in the Stow College Music Business Course. The course, run by ex-Associate Alan Rankine, produces and releases one record every year on the college label Electric Honey Records, usually a single. Homever in the case of Belle and Sebastian they had enough songs to record a whole album, and so the elusive Tigermilk was born. Recorded in three days and one thousand copies released on vinyl only, it now changes hands for up to £400 per copy. Belle and Sebastian then signed to Jeepster in August and the critically acclaimed LP "If You're Feeling Sinister" (JPRCD/LP/MC001) was released November 18TH. The Support slot for the Tindersticks ICA Gigs, Followed by a headline show at the Borderline in early November brought the joys of Belle and Sebastian live to the south for the first time. The band then set about with the plan of spending the summer of 1997 releasing EP's, the first of these being "Dog On Wheels" on 28TH April. This release contained early demos of the band, previous to all the current members joining, including the demo version of "The State I Am In". Mark Radcliffe had played the mastered Tigermilk version of this track relentlessly and for those without a copy of the vinyl masterpiece, the Dog EP (JPRCDS/12/7001) appeased the fans thirst enough to put the single in at Number 59 on the singles chart. The second EP "Lazy Line Painter Jane", was released on July 28th, the Week of the seminal Union Chapel gig in Islington, London. Despite the poor sound, the band had the crowd dancing in the aisles (and pews) of the chapel. For most, this gig was their first B&S gig and a religious experience was shared by all. The "Lazy Jane" EP narrowly missed the top 40, crashing in at number 41, much to Chris Geddes (keyboards) amusement, as he had made bets with Jeepster boss Mark Jones that it would not get in. The band played two more gigs on their mini tour of the south-west in Oxford and Colchester, preparing them for their American debut. The "Sinister" LP had been licensed in north America by virgin subsidiary label the enclave since February. Belle and Sebastian journeyed over to New York in September to take part in the CMJ (College Music Journal) festival. They played two gigs at the Angel Oransanz Foundation Centre For The Arts, an old chapel in Greenwich Village. The excitement levels were so high, parts of the ceiling decided to join the band onstage, as Belle and Sebastian - literally - brought the house down. The band were also invited to play at the Barcelona BAM festival in late September. This time their venue was an ancient courtyard at the Plaza Del Rai, and under a starry moonlit sky, beneath the gaze of a thousand gargoyles they captivated, yet again, another audience. "3..6..9 Seconds Of Light" was the last of the summer EP's released on October 13th, and the music press finally realised just how important B&S are, when both the Melody Maker and the NME made it their single of the Week. Despite the lack of radio play, it became the bands' first top 40 hit, debuting at number 32 on the charts. Belle and Sebastian spent the end of 1997 recording their third LP and rehearsing for the Christmas gigs at the Manchester town hall on the 27th and 28th of December. The late summer of 1998 will see them release their third album and with it, whether they want it or not, they're almost guaranteed of being heralded as one of the most important bands of our time. > I think that should bring things to a point where most of you know > everything. Anyway, send me suggestions... which does now bring us up to date minus the past two months. if anyone wants to revise the biog to include the earlier info, then let me know and i'll update the site. on the site front, i think that a lot of you may not be aware of just how much info sits there, if you want to take a peek and see what's changed recently you should take a peek at http://www.jeepster.co.uk/belleandsebastian/main/index.html cheers david kitchen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- david kitchen : merchandising and websites : jeepster records http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ http://www.jeepster.co.uk/belleandsebastian/ mailto:shop@jeepster.co.uk jeepster recordings ltd, 217 canalot, 222 kensal road, london w10 5bn to subscribe to the news mailing list mail majordomo(a)jeepster.co.uk with the words 'subscribe news' in the body of the message there is no need to subscribe if you are on the 'sinister' list +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". 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Sinister: Black Sessions have landed in CANADA
by Alexandra Duric 04 Nov '98

04 Nov '98

Hello sinisterines! Philippe is a lovely lovely man..., but then again, he is French, and that's enough for me these days! I came home to my second piece of mail from la belle France, the first touched my heart, but alas, twas not the Black Sessions, but a postcard from someone I met on this very list. No the Sessions was the second piece, and let me say that my flatmate and I were quite ecstatic and listened to it immediately! Poor souls that we are, we missed them in Toronto and we're trying not to be bitter about it, really we're not, just very very sad, and hope that Belle + Seb had such a wonderful tour in North America that they'll come back soon, and NOT just the West Coast next time!! Must do Detroit or Toronto!! (How do you bypass legendary Motown? I'm perplexed!) So Jeepster, please keep in mind it takes 3 days of uninterrupted driving to get from Toronto to Vancouver??? I mean, this country is massive! So Philippe, those photos of the Toronto show, I obviously do not have - I'll have to be a bit more creative now and send you something in the spirit of B+S. Anyhow, all you CANADIANS, email me privately if you're interested in a copy. I'm going home now to curl up and die from too much work, no sleep and a nasty flu - so don't be alarmed if you don't hear from me for a few days. I'm thinking ... I know, anyone who sends a brief little story of their favourite B+S SONG will get priority (and we'll put it in the next issue of Idoru, if that's OK with Carly?). Hey FUNKYSEB! My computer ate your address - please send again so I can get a copy of Idoru with your article in it! Oh, right, here's a tip for all you frequent BA flyers, I worked for them in Vancouver, and really, if you bitch and bitch when they screw up (which is most of the time!), guaranteed, you'll be doing first class everytime. Cannot say the same for Virgin. And it sounds like Mercury Rev have landed in the UK - try and get your hands on the Chasing a Bee video; quite a trip. And if anyone's wondering why their old stuff sounds nothing like the new or last album, it's because they got a new singer, the old Flaming Lips guitarist (Goddess on a Hiway is actually a Flaming Lips song that Jonathan never managed to release). And Grasshopper just released a solo album last month. cheers, Alexandra PS - Carly, give me a call at home this afternoon, I cannot get the hell out of here 'til noon, bloody hell, I'm pissed. And it's been confirmed, not off to TO this weekend - working instead. ______________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: unsubscribe sinister
by robot 04 Nov '98

04 Nov '98

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Sinister: B&S weekend
by Mphintz＠aol.com 04 Nov '98

04 Nov '98

Since Mick went and let the proverbial "cat out of the bag" on the journey to Washington DC and the NYC shows with my fellow Intrepid Travellers, I am just left to fill in the gaps that he didn't cover. Since we were driving back to NYC at 2 am. from DC, we needed something to keep us occupied. Megan fulfilled that task with her preoccupation of men shagging in reststops in highways. She seemed surprised that such a thing happened--apparently her parents neglected to tell her of the homosexual subsculture. She also sang along to Pulp and Lush on the car stereo. Then Brian decided to make it karaoke version and would turn down the volume to hear Megan sing acapello. Oh the things we do to stay awake... I was awake for 24 hours and now I have a cold--I think there is a connection. Sunday morning I woke and was unable to move my head to the right. And I had forgotten my tickets in my dorm room. I spent most of the day retrieving the tickets and missing train connections by a few minutes. I borrowed Brian's Nick Drake cd and listened to it for three hours--it was the only thing I had to listen to on my discman. I think I might be in love with Nick Drake. (Brian, don't be jealous--he's dead). I was a bit concerned about how the show would be on Sunday evening since the show in DC was a bit lackluster. Afterwards, Brian kept repeating to me that he wished I could have seen the band last year in NYC. The band began with "The State I Am In" and the rest of the show continued beautifully. If only you could have seen Michele's face when Stuart and Chris began to sing "Turn, Turn, Turn"--I guess it was having all the parts of your life come together in one evening. Brian, Julie, Julien, and I spent a few early morning hours in a bar, smoking and drinking. Funny thing--none of us are smokers. Ryan from California sat in the corner of the room listening to his discman and smoking. Poor Ryan had to carry his luggage with a broken wheel all night because he was staying at Brian's after the show. He handled it well, yes he did. Walking on Broadway the next day, he called listee Beth on his cell phone. She wasn't in. (Hello Beth). Ryan and I spent part of Monday shopping for warm clothes for him. Being from CA, he didn't have any clothes for below seventy degrees. NYC was more like forty all weekend. He had the heat from his cigarettes to keep him warm. By Monday evening I was able to move my head to the right, but I was coming down with a cold. The crowd at the show was a bit ruder than on Sunday. Michele began throwing ice at loudtalkers. I am partly guilty since I gave her the cup of ice. I asked a couple at the bar to be quieter and the squeaky drunk red head asked me if I would like to step outside. The funny thing was, I would have fought her. The band had been playing only fourteen song sets for the tour. After thirteen, Michele asked what song could be next. The band began "Century of Fakers", which Michele had just been saying to me how much she loved. The band surprised us further with another song--the France Gall cover. Odd for the tour to end with that, but the band has always been a bit odd. I would have like to have gone to the aftershow meet-up, but I realized I needed to be in bed to nurse my cold. Apologies to everyone I met that I never really had a chance to talk to then. Tuesday morning Ryan left while we were waiting for him to say goodbye--he must have thought we were asleep. I took the train back to school, humming "Loneliness of the Middle Distance Runner"--a song I have heard twice live. Amanda was once going to tape it for me before she disappeared in Brighton. By the afternoon I was back in classes. So that was Belle and Sebastian? In a word, at the risk of being trite, it all seemed a bit... magical. Living and loving Matthew +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Isobel french pop song
by Frederic � 04 Nov '98

04 Nov '98

Lyrics in french and english http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/2172/poupee.html Fred ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: unsubscribe sinister
by gentle deviant 04 Nov '98

04 Nov '98

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Sinister: wake up shake up your blanket of sorrows
by Corpora Arenacea 04 Nov '98

04 Nov '98

I share dreams everyday. Well it's more the collision of two very separate dreamstates, unfortunately. The boy I carpool (well, I drive) to school with calls me each morning at 6 a.m. just after waking up and I of course am also still caught in the throes of my dream and each morning we try to talk to each other to make sure we're awake and it's always, in retrospect, very funny and very, very embarrassing. Not that I ever have that much composure to begin with but he certainly does and I think I feel more embarrassed for him. As someone who lost their virginity to the tune of the Stooges, and you see the results, I would advise against it. Make a tape of it for your loved one to take far away from you. It's my favorite album ever but it's also very, very dangerous, well, emotionally. You start thinking like a reptile, you know, "will this person be fertile enough to bear my children?" I'll vouch for Magnetic Fields Megan being lovely but I think I rather creeped her out, not surprising really but amusing, still. By the way, you know you have a Candida albicans infection by a cottage-cheese-like vaginal discharge, and yeah, "Listeria" is really a disease, too. I just got tested on all these things yesterday, those were the books I was reading at the show. Well, not during, but before and after. ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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