November 1998 - Sinister

Re: Sinister: pants :)
by MWaggner＠aol.com 04 Nov '98

04 Nov '98

I had always figured him for a corduroy-ish boy, so the silver pants were .... amusing:) Especially because the night before he had on dark conservative pants (ok, trousers :) and a white t-shirt, and looked like a young priest on his day off, doing the chores around the vicarage. Good to know, I guess, that he didn't get corrupted on a shopping spree in downtown Manhattan. Where the Arab straps are sold... --michele +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Belle and Seb-as-ti-an, at the Black Cat club
by Reid Dossinger 04 Nov '98

04 Nov '98

...and 800 people scream simultaneously. "Is he trying to break his own record for Longest Post Ever?!" Here's an ink polaroid: a early morning knock on the door of a unassuming country house outside of Chapel Hill. A man in his late twenties opens the door and sees hundreds of international Belle and Sebastian fans, led by Honey "Paul" Mitchell, who is brandishing a crowbar. "Reid, we're here for your computer." This time around, I don't have any stories of me humiliating myself in front of a B&S member. Not even Richard. But, as this tour has gone on, I'm always glad when people give long descriptions of the shows, so I'm just doing the same. I hope no one's too annoyed...but Friday was (unfortunately) my last show, so this will be it for me for a while. First off, it's really strange that there were TWO other stories of people getting stomach aches during the show, because I was about to swear I had appendicitis I was in so much pain. But then about half an hour after the show was over, I felt fine. Something in the club maybe? Or maybe it was that Salmonella Salad (aka Chicken Ceasar salad) I had beforehand. Or maybe it's an epidemic and we'll all be dead in 48 hours. Whatever. If Isobel really was afraid that Americans wouldn't like B&S, she couldn't possibly think that anymore after seeing the line outside the Black Cat before the show. The doors were VERY late to open, and it seemed as though at one point, every person who had a ticket to the show was in line. And an impressive line it was, stretching well down the street. My friends and I entertained each other in line by imagining B&S introducing their songs like a metal band: "There's somthin' I gotta know, Washington, and I need to know now...IS IT...WICKED...NOT...TO...CAAARRRE?!!!! <crowd erupts, song starts>" I also got to pass time in line by meeting the very sweet and very lovely Jessica #4, who is appropriately appreciative of the single version of Lazy Line Painter Jane. Jessica, I'm sorry I just cut off our conversation. I was beginning to get anxious, and I'm sorry I was so rude. Unfortunately, we were let into the club early enough to hear Guv'ner. In Athens, the opening band was Masters of the Hemisphere who sounded a lot like They Might Be Giants, and were a great choice for an opening band. Even if you didn't *like* them, they were fun to listen to. Guv'ner, on the other hand, was possibly the most inappropriate opening choice this side of Rammstein. They were way too loud, and even beyond that, they were just boring indie guitar rock. The only thing that kept it from being completely unbearable was my friend Susan's incredible expressions of pain. She looked like the Scream painting after he'd got done screaming and just gone back to being depressed and in pain. I've never actually been to a gig when the band's loudest applause came when they announced they only had one more song. And, poor things, several people even cheered really loudly when they said this was their second-to-last show. So, the show. I know some people have put in the set lists, but I thought I'd give it here for those picky people like me who like seeing it written out as a list. Again, I was an idiot and forgot to bring in a pen so I could write down the list, but I know the first 7 are right, and the last two, and I got all the songs (I think) that they played, but the middle songs are in the wrong order. Dog On Wheels Like Dylan In the Movies I Know Where the Summer Goes It's Hard to be a Jew at Christmas A Century of Elvis Mayfly Ease Your Feet In the Sea Seeing Other People Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying New Song Stars of Track and Field Wrong Girl Is it Wicked Not to Care Dirty Dream #2 Sleep the Clock Around Notice the South Park tribute. I don't know if it was Stuart D. or Chris who did it, but they had some effect that made their voice sound cartoony, so I guess they wanted to take advantage of it. To put it mildly, it was VERY entertaining to the band, Stuart M. especially. But we need to get to the most intriguing part of the night...the new song. I was trying to remember a few lines from it, but they're slipping my mind. Stevie was playing a phased-out guitar, Stuart sang, it was mid-tempo, kind of dark and very Smiths-y. Is this "Rhoda"? Or "Loneliness of a Middle Distance Runner"? The only info we got from the band was that it had never been released. But I'd love to know what it is. The suprise at this show was how much they played off of Sinister. All of them were pretty faithful. Seeing Other People sounded good, but was mostly the same as the album version, Get Me Away was a little (a *little*) less powerful than the album version, but Stars was fantastic. If I had a live version of the song, I'd rewind the last twenty seconds over and over. It was essentially the same as the album, but I think that the difference was being able to watch Mick waiting for that last one-note trumpet part, and when he finally got to it, it was like he had been holding his breath just so he could put everything he had into it. Stunning. I was always half-and-half on the session version of Wrong Girl...it sounded a little too much like a campfire sing-along. But the version they did Friday was a huge improvement. The drums were heavier and the instrumentation was a lot more lush and thought out. Which I guess is understandable seeing as how the session version was learned by the band only hours before they recorded it. I also hadn't heard I Know Where the Summer Goes, and it was, as Katrina said, lovely. Similar to Century of Fakers, but a little more folky...it would sound cozy with the Dog On Wheels stuff. My friend Christian thought it was the highlight of the show. To me, the highlights were the beginning and the end. I've never been Dog On Wheels' biggest fan, but the addition of strings during the trumpet solo was heart-breakingly gorgeous. And I've always been Sleep the Clock Around's biggest fan, and it was better live than I could have imagined. It was the album version for the most part, but Chris added in the piano from the session version at the very end. I can't imagine a better way to end the show. The "adorable" levels were skyrocketing. I mean, first you've got Isobel's tiger hat. Then Stuart gets all kinds of excited because he was given a wireless microphone. "I've never had one of these before", and he takes it out of the stand, jumps up on the monitors and starts making strange noises, just because he could. Then he asks if the lights can be turned up a bit so he can see people in the audience. Someone yells out "Stars of Track and Field" and he said, "Who said that? How can you read the set list from back there?" By the way, maybe it was just the two shows I went to, but by the end of each, almost every song title had been yelled out. Christian and I were waiting for someone to be snobby enough to yell out "Hurley's Having Dreams" or "London Has Let Me Down Again." Anyway, the greatest image of the concert was when they played Wrong Girl and Stuart M. played bass ("Stuart's really coming along on bass", says Stevie) and was downright rocking, bobbing back and forth. They should let him play bass more often. They were definitely tight overall and sounded great and like they were in good moods, but the pauses between the songs were longer than they were in Athens. And it was a lot more difficult to see at the Black Cat. For us, the whole show was basically the Stuart M., Stevie and Mick show with the occasional cameo by Isobel. We only saw Sarah, Chris and Stuart D. when they were walking onto and off of the stage. There were huge speakers on either side of the stage that meant that if you were off to the side (like we were, because, as usual, the front and center was populated by guys over 6'2") you couldn't see a whole lot. I was almost a little sad when it was all over. I don't know if this was because I realized that with a little more foresight, I might have been able to see the New York shows. Maybe I was sad just because it was over. I don't know. As my main squeeze Emily and I rode back to Chapel Hill this morning, I told her about how I've been waking up really early for the last week because I start thinking about Belle and Sebastian and then can't get back to sleep, and about how I think about them all the time and about how completely overjoyed I felt when I heard about the new EP coming out. And Emily said, "You're in love with them." Then she made some smutty remarks about walking in on me rubbing the albums all over my body. That was a little unnecessary. Funny, but unnecessary. But I do feel like I'm in love. I have trouble sleeping, I lost my appetite before the shows and get all weak when I listen to them. It'd be pathetic if it didn't feel so good. I'm glad I can write all this to a bunch of people who understand. Normally I don't go in for this sort of drivel, but...this is different. Everybody say "Hell, yeah!", Reid ps. It's good to see Brad back on the list...our smut levels were dipping dangerously low. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: do the torontella
by mctag＠bigfoot.com 03 Nov '98

03 Nov '98

Tired, so very tired, Is this what jetlag feels like? I don't like it, but I'm still looking forward to the next lot. Well, that's a tour finished. I wonder what we'll talk about now. Of course, Toronto was cancelled. Do I look worried? Do I look upset? Mind you, I would recommend everyone boycotts British Airways for ever and ever. The world's shittest airline, and you can quote me on that. Anyway, I've just had a lovely week in Canada. I didn't see a single mountie, that was a disappointment. However, there were compensations. For a start, I met Rod Begbie at Heathrow. What a remarkable coincidence. I'd just finished a conversation with one of the Stepford Wives who is now working for BA and I was not a happy camper. I restrained himself from kissing Rod, but I was glad is he to see a familiar face in my hour of need. Rod was off to Boston, he's waited a long time for his visa. In the end it turned up mysteriously in a sports shop in Lanarkshire. It's a funny old world, as Jimmy Greaves would say. Because BA fucked up, they put me in first class, the snivelling little shits. It was great. You'll be amazed how quickly the journey flies when you have an adjustable seat to play with. Any visitors to Toronto are directed to the CN Tower, it really is a phenomenal erection. And they play really bad AOR you secretly love when you sit in the cafe. I'd give you ink polaroids, but the Vice Squad don't look kindly on that sort of thing. Thankfully, none of them involve shagging to the Stooges. I mean, c'mon - that's just sick, isn't it? I don't know when John Waters' "Pecker" is out in the UK, but I know it's out in across the pond, and it rules. Any film featuring a song called "Don't drop the soap for anyone but me" is OK in my book. I'm strangely uninspired. It must be love... Love tag xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: pre-B&S/the formation of the band
by Mick McMick 03 Nov '98

03 Nov '98

Hello, I was feeling bored today in class, and I was breezing through the archives, and I read some interesting stuff. It was all scattered about various posts, though, and I became more and more curious about the mysterious past of B&S before they were B&S. So I thought, for the benefit of the rest of you, I'd share the fruits of my archives search in an organized manner. If you know anything that I haven't mentioned, please e-mail it to me and I'll add it in a revised edition, after a few days. Also, all of this is just what I read, so a good deal of it may be false. If you know it to be, please let me know that too. Honey said he'd like to put it on the website as well. Well, probably. Firstly by now we've probably all heard that Stuart Murdoch wrote rather a lot of songs on his own. Apparently he searched to be in a band for a while. He made some cassette tapes, at least two, and gave them to various people. I heard from a friend that he visited America for a time, and brought some demos with him. Supposedly he "jammed" with my friend's friends in Portland, but we'll never know the truth to that. Suffice it to say he wrote some of his own songs, that's all that's important. One of the demos, supposedly the first, was released in '94 and entitled Le Pastie de la Bourgeosie, and apparently featured the song of the same name. Another was perhaps entitled Lisa Helps the Blind. No idea on song titles, number of songs, etc. Stuart recorded the vaguely known Stow demos ("Pocketbook Angel," "London Has Let Me Down Again," "Hurley's Having Dreams,") at Stow College, alone (unless you count the drum machine). Stuarts Murdoch and David met through a government program and collaborated as Rhode Island, sending Jeepster a demo with Dog on Wheels, the State That I Am in, Belle and Sebastian, and My Wandering Days Are Over. They did some bedroom gigs, as well as Glasgow radio session. No word on the songs, though. Rhode Island recorded the Dog on Wheels EP with Mick Cooke and various studio musicians, I guess for release on Jeepster? Not sure about that. For reasons unknown to me, they formed the band from people met at the Grosvenor (sp?) Cafe in Glasgow. I don't know if these were random or auditions, but I suppose auditions. Richard Colburn was living in a flat with Stuart David (I think). This was in January of 1996. Not sure as to why "Modern Rock Song," only mentions certain members of the band. Perhaps they had an early incarnation as the Stuarts + Richard and...did they mention Stevie in Modern Rock Song? My memory's gone fuzzy and I'm too lazy to go listen to my session. They played an early gig in a bedroom in Glasgow, probably some days after forming, on the 13th of January. The lineup consisted only of Stuart M, Richard, and possibly Isobel. Here's what they played: Mary Jo Expectations My Wandering Days Are Over You're Just A Baby Your Idea of Fun* I Don't Love Anyone The State I Am In Then they recorded Tigermilk at Stow, added Sarah somewhere after that, then signed to Jeepster in August 1st '96. Mick played with them on various recordings, but didn't become an official member of the band until...I think just before 3...6...9 I think that should bring things to a point where most of you know everything. Anyway, send me suggestions... /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick - bp224995(a)oak.cats.ohiou.edu - ICQ#5056758 \ / Sandcastle Records - (same e-mail for now) | | Sandcastle Homepage - | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/4972/ | | "Everyone has their own cup of tea. | | Some just happen to like a lot of sugar in it!" | | - Me! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: new york city, bliss
by remaniac 03 Nov '98

03 Nov '98

sigh so i am back from nyc, and have been wandering about aimlessly, nibbling on russian tea cakes and humming dirty dream no 2... i did dream about the band all night. particularly something about sarah and me making a book(?) supper club nyc gigs: both were virtually flawless, though each had its own flavour. nov 1 seemed more intimate and otherworldly to me; am i delusional, or could really one feel the love and support in the club?! the audience was so polite and some of us forgot how to dance (beyond the "head nod") because we were completely enraptured! nov 2, on the other hand, had a different energy--people yelling between songs and such, though the band seemed in excellent spirits, smiley, especially isobel. hopefully they weren't just glad the tour is over. and perhaps the audience was restless from the excruciating guv'ner set?! (goon --hope you don't mind my quoting you-- had it right when he said something to the effect of, "i'm willing to indulge in a nostalgic moment, but this is too much!") anyway, if it's even possible, this opening fiasco made b+s seem all the more heavenly. i think it's kind of endearing when the band disappears to a corner of the stage, leaving perhaps just stevie visible up front (doing _his_ head nod)... but some of the best moments were when one could see all of them up there playing together; i wanted to give them a big hug. after the shuffling around between songs, everything just pulls together beautifully... later i was suddenly too shy to speak to stuart m (and stood by as garth did), though we did say goodbye as stuart and his snazzy pants went back upstairs. wee chris and i did speak again :) although i'm so glad they didn't repeat the nov 1 setlist on nov 2 as stuart m had humorously suggested they would, the first night's was my favorite. and one had to love the byrds cover, with wee chris joining stuart m to sing (and ducking back when it was over)... it was one of the most wonderful, endearing things i've ever heard/seen. actually, now that i think about it, nov 2 was pretty amazing-- "i know where the summer goes" being a highlight... but i'll spare you my deliberations. after weeks of travelling to and from, and dreaming about, new cities and new shows, it's time to get back to schoolwork. helloes to kat (many thanks) and kristen (lovely to see you and meet hans)! btw, was it a listee who gave isobel a monkey ("hamish") in chicago? --emily scratch my name on your arm with a fountain pen (this means you really love me) ... rusholme ruffians +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: unsubscribe sinister
by Jefforama＠aol.com 03 Nov '98

03 Nov '98

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Sinister: B&S on radio thursday
by Audrey Roofeh 03 Nov '98

03 Nov '98

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but I think it's only been confirmed recently.... Thursday morning from 10:00-12:00p.m. on WBAR radio in Manhattan, Chris Geddes will be the special guest. Tune in at 87.9 fm (well, if you live in the quad, that is) and 1680 am in the surrounding area. audrey +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: list crushes
by azrael 03 Nov '98

03 Nov '98

well, i guess since people are doing list crushes i'd better advertise (and scour the sinister page for my own crush). sooo, if you think you may have a crush on me but want to see a picture go here: http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~kwl96/crap.html. there's pictures of me and stuff there. :) -kerry "need hug. help." - Waahhh!" -Irvine Welsh, "the acid house" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: screeeeeeeeee
by Alix Campbell 03 Nov '98

03 Nov '98

dear listo. i return from london this evening, having been gone only since friday, to find that the cat (jasper) has been missing me, apparently. it appears that this is actually true, as he's perked up since i returned, and is back to his usual self. i am touched by this display of feline affection, but it doesn't divert from the fact that jasper has fleas. when in london i watched the exorcist, i can't see why it was banned, i haven't had ANY nightmares, and i feel as if i've been shortchanged. i hoped to have at least some psychological trauma for my £4.50. in fact i had to try not to laugh during it. perhaps i AM disturbed. anyway, must go, have to be up at 6am for work. alix xxx 'kill the brain; kill the ghoul' - night of the living dead +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: when they're in love... say it quick.
by Jamie McCordale 03 Nov '98

03 Nov '98

Tuesday morning extra poem: When the sun went down you smiled and the stars came out as the green grass chirped and the insects buzzed I smiled back while my heart swelled and your eyes twinkled we both laughed and then you sighed as the moon moved over and the air grew crisp our teeth chattered so we started to run and a snowflake fell quickly I grabbed your hand and we stopped so you could take out your yo-yo then I caught your eye before I gamely did some cartwheels in the snow and when one of your dimples came into view I looked over and suddenly saw a grin and your smiling drew me in I reached over and I gave you a kiss and that was it for me. Honest. Sigh. ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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