November 1998 - Sinister

Sinister: pre-B&S/early formation of the band info, updated
by Mick McMick 07 Nov '98

07 Nov '98

Hiya, Here it is, with some tweaking and additional info added. Enjoy! By now we've probably all heard that Stuart Murdoch wrote rather a lot of songs on his own. Apparently he searched to be in a band for a while. He made some cassette tapes, at least two, and gave them to various people. I heard from a friend that he visited America for a time, and brought some demos with him. Supposedly he "jammed" with my friend's friends in Portland, but we'll never know the truth to that. Suffice it to say he wrote some of his own songs, that's all that's important. One of the demos, supposedly the first, was released in '94 and entitled Le Pastie de la Bourgeosie, and apparently featured the song of the same name. Another was perhaps entitled Lisa Helps the Blind. Some songs may have included early versions of Electronic Renaissance, Sleep the Clock Around, and a song entitled Perfection as a Hipster. Also, some have speculated that Lisa Helps the Blind may have some connection with the song "Beautiful," in which the words "They let Lisa go blind," are repeated several times. Three of demos from one of these tapes ("Pocketbook Angel," "London Has Let Me Down Again," "Hurley's Having Dreams,") have been circulated somewhat. Stuarts Murdoch and David met through a government program and collaborated as Rhode Island, recording demos of Dog on Wheels, the State That I Am in, Belle and Sebastian, and My Wandering Days Are Over. Jeepster scout Neil Robertson sent Jeepster a demo with songs by a lot of bands, including Rhode Island. They did some bedroom gigs, as well as a Glasgow radio session. No word on the songs, though. Rhode Island recorded the Dog on Wheels EP with Mick Cooke and various studio musicians who were taking the course at Stow. It was intended as a demo. Later, they were convinced to release at least some of these recordings as an EP. The band as we know them reputedly formed by adding Rhode Island to people met at the Grosvenor Cafe in Glasgow. These were pretty much just matters of them approaching and being approached. Richard Colburn was living in a flat with Stuart David, so perhaps that was where they found him. This was in January of 1996. Not sure as to why "Modern Rock Song," only mentions certain members of the band. Perhaps they had an early incarnation as the Stuarts + Richard and Stevie. It's also possible that they were the only four working on the song when it was written, or when it was arranged for the entire band, perhaps. If there was an early incarnation, Chris and Isobel joined shortly thereafter. They played an early gig in a bedroom in Glasgow, probably some days after forming, on the 13th of January. The lineup consisted only of Stuart M, Richard, and possibly Isobel. Here's what they played: Mary Jo Expectations My Wandering Days Are Over You're Just A Baby Your Idea of Fun I Don't Love Anyone The State I Am In By now the band contained all the current members except Sarah and Mick (though he helped out on various recordings). From here on the official biography is more complete than I could manage to be, so refer to that. /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick - bp224995(a)oak.cats.ohiou.edu - ICQ#5056758 \ / Sandcastle Records - (same e-mail for now) | | Sandcastle Homepage - | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/4972/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | - Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: SORRY
by Jason Brent 07 Nov '98

07 Nov '98

DEAR LISTIES I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR WRITING IN CAPITALS, AS I FORGOT THE GOLDEN RULE! I'M NOT SHOUTING, MY CAPS BUTTON IS JUST STUCK. NEW KEYBOARD ON THE WAY. SORRY!!! JASON +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: UNDERRATED...
by Jason Brent 07 Nov '98

07 Nov '98

HEY Y'ALL AS FAR AS UNDERRATED BANDS GO, TRICKY WOO ARE AMAZING! KIND OF JSBX/RFTC. AWESOME LIVE!!! THEY ARE ON SONIC UNYON. AS FOR LOCAL CONTENT, THE WEAKERTHANS, WHO ARE MADE UP OF EX-MEMBERS OF PROPAGANDHI + RED FISHER, RULE!(THEY SOUND NOTHING LIKE EITHER OF THOSE 2 BANDS) THEY'RE ON G7. AS FOR THE PAST, ROSE MELBERG, AND ALL HER PROJECTS (TIGER TRAP, GO SAILOR, SOFTIES, ETC.) MAKE ME MELT LIKE NO OTHER!!! SCOTT WALKER IS PRETTY UNKNOWN IN NORTH AMERICA AS WELL, ON THE GRAND SCALE OF THINGS. ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I FINALLY TRACKED DOWN THE EMBARRASSMENT COMP. THE OTHER DAY. GREAT 80'S BAND FROM KANSAS I THINK? (THATS 80'S IN A GOOD WAY!) AS FAR AS LIST CRUSHES GOES, WATCH OUT!!! I HAD SOME 14YR OLD STALKING MY E-MAIL DUE TO MY PARTICIPATION ON ANOTHER LIST THAT I USED TO BE ON! I HOPE SHE'S NOT ON THIS ONE!!! THAT'LL TEACH ME TO WORSHIP HANSON! LATER LISTIES JASON P.S. WHAT ABOUT SLOPPY SECONDS??? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: boring lists!
by r. h. 07 Nov '98

07 Nov '98

p.s. mitchell wrote: > >I'm always up for people sharing musical finds on the list but >please: let's not have *just lists* of "bands I like" - we've been >through this lots and lots of times before and it's so dull if >everyone just bangs in a 1-to-10. The resources to run this list are >limited for the size of it and we need to keep a focus: so if you can >tell us WHY you think we should hear Ken's Dad's Dog's Dead then >that's great, but no bare lists please, because they're too easy to >do and of little value and my computer will blow up. brad and i kinda have a neat way of describing bands. we sorta take it from conan i guess w/ "if they mated". for example: if Galaxie 500 got it on w/ the Velvet Undergroud they'd have a kid named Luna. i guess it helps you get a better feel for what you'd be listning to. i agree lists are pretty boring. just a thought, robbie > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: A cornucopia of responses, all written with my nose (and my fingers)
by Mick McMick 07 Nov '98

07 Nov '98

Whoah, I don't think this got sent properly, at least according to my mailbox it didn't. So here it is again... Keith Watson wrote: > Mick McMick, you would be wise to believe the young lad Leonard when > he says that B+S did indeed play Turn Turn Turn at the church, we've > got a tape of it for a kick off - or at least, it's a tape of me and > Chris singing along to the hymn but strategically substituting rude > words along the way. Alright, alright, I concede, there is no shadow of doubt in any of the cockles of my heart. And I concede to you, Chris, as well. Ohp! I just noticed a shadow of doubt in the cockle that's sort of a bit to the left and at the bottom...yes, that one. Hm, let me see...there, I've got it now, my cockles are doubt-free. > Is it possible that Andre may not have seen Stuart on Hyndland road at > all, and it was perhaps Duncan Goodhew, Telly Savalas or maybe even > Yul Brynner (Oooon may be able to sort us out on that one). As far as > I'm aware they're still in America, the word last night from Anne I > believe was that the newest megastar in the B+S camp, DJ Doctor Divine > "the Spinmaster" Symington was coming back on Saturday the 7th from > America, as is Mick from whom the date the 7th came completely > separately. I'm sure Ian will be able to confirm this one... so unless > Stuart came back separately from all the rest, I think it's basically > definite that Andre actually saw someone else who was famous and bald, > such as perhaps Errol Brown from Hot Chocolate. First of all, isn't Yul Brynner dead? Maybe what Andre saw was the *GHOST* of Yul Brynner, who had recently become a large Gnashing Kumquats fan. Sorry but I'm not sure if that's how one spells cumkwat, but perhaps if I spell it differently every time I say it, sooner or later I'll get it right. Anyway, as a little birdie told me, the rest of the band was at the Cornelius show last night, except for Stuart M and ISOBEL! So perhaps she also went back to help with "mixing"? a Duran Duran fan quoth: > since this is my first post, i must provide the obligatory "that > question has already been answered a thousand times" question. it's > not even a very interesting question....but i'll ask anyways. 'cause > i'm curious and that's good enough for me. here goes...in the sessions > version of "seeing other people" (the slooooooow version), are stuart > and isobel also trading verses with stevie??? listening to it again > last night in traffic i could've sworn that one of the verses was sung > by stevie's fine baritone rather than stuart's dulcet tenor? am i > mistaken? does it even matter? prolly not. Stevie's in there, you're right. They each take a verse, and if memory serves me well it goes Stevie, Stuart, Isobel, and then all of them together. And finally, in honor of Robin's utterly amusing story, I present to you an Ink Polaroid, written entirely with my nose, without the use of a "backspace" or "delete" key: yyeere i am, my baccckji is huuuuunched ovfer anjhd my neckj hyurt6s. obviouuskly i'm typinjg with nhose,, but it iis p-ainfull so i'lol stop now. Hm, not bad. Reminds me of when I was very very little and my parents used to sit me in front of a typewriter, and tell me to type a letter to my grandmother. Of course at this age, I couldn't spell, read, or write without a typewriter, much less with one. But it was quite fun to go banging away at those keys. After I was done, my parents would remove the paper and try to find actual words that I had accidentally written. I recall they were very amused once when I wrote something like "fart." Now you see what I had to work with? It's no wonder I turned out like this. It reminds me of the scenario where you sit an infinite number of monkeys (not Monkees, note you, because there're only four of those) at an infinite number of typewriters, eventually one will write one of the great works of Shakespeare. Needless to say, I wrote no Shakespearian plays, nor any sonnets. Hungry like the wolf, /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick - bp224995(a)oak.cats.ohiou.edu - ICQ#5056758 \ / Sandcastle Records - (same e-mail for now) | | Sandcastle Homepage - | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/4972/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | - Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: irc again
by Honey 07 Nov '98

07 Nov '98

Sorry another mail - I've spoken to the Ops at Virgin and our very own chatroom, #Sinister will be back on line in "5 minutes". It sounds as if they need to get a plumber in though, so beware of problems. For people who've never been along before, if you're got an IRC program like mIRC or GlobalChat, you need to connect to the server "chat.virgin.net", join the room "#Sinister" and then tart around. If you're befuzzled by that, go to www.jeepster.co.uk and read instructions - please don't mail me asking just now as I'm pretty swamped myself, but someone else on the list can help out. If there isn't someone in the room when you get there, they'll be along in a minute or two I'm sure. honeyagain xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: whinge whinge whinge - that's all you bloody do
by Alix Campbell 07 Nov '98

07 Nov '98

ooh i keep hearing about loneliness of a middle distance runner - I WANT IT - PLEASE HELP - whoever can assist will receive a photo of me, in a fur coat, standing next to some spam in the co-op. Enticing, non? apologies for brevity alix. x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: XXXXXXXXXXX
by WeeJay 07 Nov '98

07 Nov '98

Underrated bands... hmmn, I think we're getting into a sticky area with this, but let's see. Personally I think that Kenickie were tragically underated. You should hear 'and that's why' from their new album. W!O!W! It's on my worldwide tape-tree tape, but not my inferior british tape-tree tape (any comment on which would be welcome...) There seem to be a lot of celebrities crawling out of the woordwork, suspicious or not. If Barbara Flynn or Sophie Aldred have been lurking, then they can have my list crush votes. I'm serious, I spent days watching educational TV in the vain hope of something presented by SA. I hope someone's voted for me... but It cant be likely. Are bribes allowed...? Meanwhile please answer my wonderful competition to this address, since I won't be using the other one at all whe I've a very nice one here, thankyouverymuch. Except for the way it screwed up earlier this month and bounced everything back. If anyone tried to mail me, try again now. I hope it works. If not, try the address below, which is forwarded here. All of which is very dull I'm sure, but (reminder - put some ludicrous excuse here) which I'm sure you'll all agree makes it all fine and dandy. This list is very entertaining and you don't get stupid spam mailings like they've been plagued with at the CU list recently so keep up the good work. WeeJay XXXXXXXX (and XXX for recent performance) James(a)twopounds.u-net.com Manipulating you illicitly since 1979 http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/ (Which will no longer crash your computer. Hopefully.) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Belle and Sebastian are not snogging.
by Jake 07 Nov '98

07 Nov '98

On the matter of the private lives of the band, I thought that I would send in this quote, it is from the sleeve notes of tigermilk (the full script is on the Jeepster page); "Belle and Sebastian are not snogging. Sometimes they hold hands, but that is only a display of public solidarity. Sebastian thinks Belle kicks with the other foot. Sebastian is wrong...." Just change the names and we have the answer............. I'm off to burn flies, Jake +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Blue/Black or Dark brown?
by Sarah 07 Nov '98

07 Nov '98

Hello teddy bears, boo! I am on my work break, and picked up mail, to find lovely LOVELY Marco had mailed some some fun IRC scripts, tried to go into Sinister chat, and none of the channels worked, bugger bugger bum poo not fair. I have just eaten EGGS CHIPS AND BEANS, yes, I know most of the time I am a sophisticate who eats alfalfa sprouts and whatever poncey version of Mineral Water that is flavour of the month, but there are some times, when only eggs chips and beans will do! CORR! Hehe, the Cornelious album is good. I bought a Money Mark CD the other day, I think everyone should buy it!! WHo cares about the SONG, the CD's shaped like a funny lil' man bending down! I have never seen a non-circle CD before! Buy it! I must say though, for a CD stuck in the 'ambient/trance' section of Action Records, its about as dancy as Nick Drakes techno-scratty album, 'I've got a lovely bunch of pineapples so screw you PUNK' released just after Byrter Layter... I also got a VELOCETTE single, called Spoilt Children - 'cos Get Yourself Together, which Nick taped for me (Nick if you read this could you mail me please?? I lost your address when we changed pooters and I'm stuck, help) was FABOO! But I am not so impressed with Spoiled Children, no no no.... also bought was the Mercury Rev single cos it was one pound, and a Three Johns album for 300 pennies...heh heh, and blooe hairdye....I may never use it though.... IOoooh! Gary wrote: > The Crocketts for a start. They're fantastic and brilliant and they write > good songs, much better than Bewitched who are a pile of pants > and wouldn't know a good song if it kicked them up the arse. Yes but would you trust someone who can't even SPELL B*Witched?? I know I would not!! B*witched's only sore point is the amount of yukky denim poo. The Corcketts couldn't shag their way out of a paper bag. B*witched, would set the paper bag on FIRE baby.... *perks up* >anything on Ankst Records, all worth a good listen or ten. A-ha! YES! May the English Suporters of Ankst INFORM YOU! ANkst records is fantastic, rule of thumb, on Ankst - good. THere you go! From the early Furries, to Gorkys, to Melys I mean just plain wow!Now it is ANKSTMUSIK....and the Rheinhallt H rowlands album is out soon and I'm buying it cos they are fabby. There's going to be a borstal breakout. Argh. *shrinks and dies* I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!! Fluffy Candarel +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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