December 1998 - Sinister

Sinister: Various
by Vanessa R. Siegl 21 Dec '98

21 Dec '98

>Does anyone else fear that B & S is so good that something >must be wrong? I thought that when I heard the Black Sessions which is just so awesome it's unbelieveable ... >lesson: always beware! if i like an album instantly and the songs >are catchy right off the mark, i'll probably learn to despise it >very quickly. many excellent records are 'difficult' and take a few >spins to work their magic. Partly I agree. Actually I only don't agree cos I seem to be a person who instantly likes songs others find hard to get into whereas catchy and popular songs often (not always exceptions are there of course) put me off ... and most catchy songs I didn get into in an instant I hate now (apart from Belle and Sebastian, Pulp and ones by any other band I adore) Anyway people keep telling me I am weird for that .... >and who knows? - maybe one day 'the gate' will be heralded as a >classic. you know, one of those songs enclosed in a wee capsule on >the moon... I still haven't heard it. I'll be in Vienna over New Year though and hope to find it (Hint!!! hint!!! in case I haven't posted my meetup shoutout ...if anyone happens to be in Vienna that day mail me privately, thanx) Actually not being ablke to get records is such a pain really ... I am soi fed up with asking asking asking ...in an ideal world all the stuff I love would be freely availabble ..then again it would be half the fun if everyone knew about it .... Oh and Paul please post :))))) xxxnav _____________________________________________________ Forgive me for I have not sinned csaa7950(a)uibk.ac.at _gapminder(a)yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Be of good cheer
by John Johnston 21 Dec '98

21 Dec '98

London listees here's a little last minute pressie idea for the Belle and Sebastian lover in your life. "Happicraft" the toy shop here in downtown Twickenham has a frankly unprecedented selection of dogs on wheels. They've got loads of different breeds, sizes and expressions. I commend it to the list. Happy Christmas everyone xx John +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: rescuing past topics
by Arantxa Sanz 21 Dec '98

21 Dec '98

Hello! Last Monday in Nottingham in 1998.I am going to Madrid, home in my case on Wednesday morning and not returning until the Three Wise Men have left their presents at my door and their camels have drunk water to carry on their journey,that's it, after 6th January. Perhaps our wise Sister Disco can explain to me why this lovely Spanish tradition that we try to defend furiously from Santa's cultural invasion is so funny for English people. They find it highly amusing. So I will have to unsuscribe during the holidays in order not to collapse the department of Chemistry server and being told off when coming back... But I still have today and tomorrow time to write a couple of uninsteresting postings... Do you remember a couple of months ago when we were chatting simultaneously about best shagging music and buses stories? I had an interesting conversation while having breakfast this morning with my housemate about snogging unknown people in buses , and I have to recognize I once did ( it was 27 hours in a coach from Amsterdam to Madrid, and I already knew him, though not very much, must be said)but surprisingly enough, we both knew two friends of ours who had done that quite sucessfully. I have no data about the soundtrack, but probably some Top of the Pops tunes that coach drivers usually love and play in every country. Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Newyear in Vienna (Offtopic)
by Vanessa R. Siegl 21 Dec '98

21 Dec '98

Dearest (sorry for that header) Is anyone on here in Vienna for the New Years celebrations?? I know it isn't likely but if you are mail me privately ... love vanxxx _____________________________________________________ Forgive me for I have not sinned csaa7950(a)uibk.ac.at _gapminder(a)yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: i don't know where the summer goes...
by Archel 21 Dec '98

21 Dec '98

dear list, this will be my last message of the year. i hope everyone's managing to feel more festive than i am, because it would be nice to think of partying sinisterines even though i have been struggling with an essay and have had no social life to speak of for ages. lesley jo, may she be granted lifelong happiness, wrote: ****** if i am one of the people who are ruining the list then i never meant to be. i'm not so stupid and shallow that all i care about is who is the cutest one, etc!!! the only reason i ever loved B&S was because their music touched me in a way i haven't felt for very long. ****** the only people who ruin the list are people who deliberately try to make others feel bad. i don't want to speak for others, but hell, i will anyway. we love you lesley jo! 'life is never dull in your dreams'. to sign off, here's some (slightly out of date) thoughts on ...Modern Rock Song. the first half of the song (the part that we don't like as much) is about a kind of male identity crisis i think. boy meets girl/girl runs away/girl attacks boy/girl goes off with another girl. the narrator is trying to get the girl, but 'emma tried to run away'. when he ctaches up with her she puts him on the ground with judo, because his sexual advance 'i put my arm around her waist' is not what she wants. she does not display conventional female passivity, and the male narrator is put in the vulnerable position: 'she didn't recognise my face/she wasn't even looking'. then we have him introducing laura, but from an uncertain observer's viewpoint - '*i suppose* she needs a holiday'. the two girls go off together, subverting traditional gender pairings: 'she took emma by the hand, they've got a lot in common'. this leaves the narrator adrift, 'feeling strange', and he has to retreat into art (i'll go and play with words and pictures) and his own head. he feels inadequate, that the girls know somwething he doesn't, and through his song-writing persona is the only way he can appraoch it: 'it's beyond me what a girl can see, i'm only lucid when i'm writing songs'. INSTRUMENTAL BREAK. so, the second part of the song, which apparently has nothing to do with the first part, is a self-referential, postmodern (am i up my own arse enough yet?) reflection on his whole reason for being. the narrator is trying to regain control by looking inwards to the only territory where he feels 'lucid'. but still there is personal insecurity: 'i'm not as clever as mark twain' and 'we're four boys in our corduroys, we're not terrific but we're competent'. this may be all we can do, but we can do it. songs are all we have, and this one's trying to justify itself. i expect i'm far too much in academic essay mode still, and you can laugh at me now. but i'm going away, so i WON'T KNOW. ha. until 1999, adieu. luv archel, a girl in the snow xxx ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Playforth rap101(a)york.ac.uk http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- "We're the younger generation, we grew up fast. All the others did drugs, they're taking it out on us." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: beware: depressing and may ruin your health
by Julien Boeldieu 21 Dec '98

21 Dec '98

Dear list, *** Cynthia, the californian dancing queen, a �crit : > I really wanted to say, that this world is falling apart and > I've noticed that no one is talking about it. With my > friends I've talked, but not on the list, not at work, why is > that ? It's apocalyptic. I don't mean like just getting out of > bed and somehow not knowing where you are... I mean, Clinton, > and the land mines of Bosnia, and the bombings in Iraq. ********** And unemployment, and poverty, and pollution, and diseases, and social unequalities, and unsatisfied social needs, and alienation and exploitation, and any kind of opressions (like homophobia and racism) and unjustices, and intolerance, and individualism, and massacres in Algeria, and wars and genocids, and people who are starving everywhere, and money that rules anything, and love that breaks down... Endless list ! Maybe it's because we're thinking after all that the world is not going so wrong... Or maybe no one cares (which would be rather alarming !)... Or maybe we're trying to see only the brighter sides of this world, especially during these Christmas holidays (which is not so easy)... Or maybe we're feeling so disarmed that we can't find a single word to express our thoughts and feelings... I don't know. Personally I think Bill Clinton is a kind of psychopath -- or at least a criminal. But we all know that he'll never be judged for these bombs... And what can we do actually ? Isn't that frightening ? Do you know that we're the first generation ever that will have a lower standard of life than their parents ? Sometimes I'm rather impressed by the passivity of my generation (or is it resignation ?), whereas there are thousand more reasons to revolt today than 30 years ago... Mankind has already one foot in the grave ! We can be smiling and nice to anyone around us, but that won't change anything. What the world needs is a radical medication ! Oh well. Sorry for the pessimistic tone of this message... It's probably an effect of what is called the pre-millenium tension ! Joyeux Noel � tous ! Love, Julien == "Je ne remets jamais � demain ce que je peux faire le surlendemain" ** Alphonse Allais ** _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: An intra-album love affair?
by Peter Greenspan 21 Dec '98

21 Dec '98

Upon listening to TBWTAS, I have come upon something very interesting--I wonder if I'm right. Is the speaker in "Ease Your Feet In The Sea" responding to his lover/exlover who is speaking in "Is It Wicked Not To Care"? It sounds like the all-too-serious-about-love girl in "Wicked" is being calmed by a less serious more nihilistic guy in "Ease". Does anyone else think this? Try listening to the two songs with this in mind. I'd be curious to know your opinion. P.S. I'm a newcomer to the list, so forgive me if my comments are old, obvious, out-of-place, or stupid. Forgiveness is a virtue. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: "lesleyJo you're in a mess"
by rebelstrange＠ldd.net 21 Dec '98

21 Dec '98

i know it's faux pas but i just wanted to say if i offended anyone with what i said earlier i didnt' mean to, i wouldn't say it ws directed at me personally, and dont' want to increase the strife. if anyone thinks that i am just annoying and doesnt' want to hear me, then i wish they would say so to me directly, and i will take it as it comes. i never intended to come in and act all loud and ruin everyone's fun. i dont 'want to feel like a gatecrasher. i don't know why iit upsets me so much, i'm just sad about this. sad that david and katrina felt they were being attacked, rather unfairly i might add IMO. and that people are having to check out. if i am one of the people who are ruining the list then i never meant to be. i'm not so stupid and shallow that all i care about is who is the cutest one, etc!!! the only reason i ever loved B&S was because their music touched me in a way i haven't felt for very long. i didnt' even know what all of them looked like until i saw them in person, and i didnt' care. i just thought that i t was amusing, maybe i was wrong. My sense of humor may just be grating and immature. maybe i shouldnt' be writing this at all, if that's the case, then well i'm very sorry, but i felt i should explain myself and apologize if i offended anyone cos i didnt' mean to. i know i sound like a very ridiculous person sometimes it's just my way of dealing with life, when things get rough, i just start making jokes, and it's not always fun, it's what i've done all my life and sometimes i hate it i've been having a hard time in my life now and belleandsebastian and all the joys of their songs have been something that gives me the joy i need to move forward one little bit at a time, along with other very small things, and that is the reason. it distracts me. i dont want to unburden my personal crap here and i will not, only to say that the music is the reason, and i think that's why all of us are here, but if i shouldn't be here then i will take that into account, and perhaps i'm jumping the gun, i just get really embarrassed if i think that i have gone too far, and i do that a lot in my life,and it is never easy. i'm just overly sensitive and i apologize for all of that. i won't post for a couple days to make up for this twice daily post. a couple days at least. however i do love all of you and i'm not leaving as of yet, just to be clear about that. unless you all come clamoring to my doorstep with pitchforks and torches, then i'll have to give in with what's left o fmy dignity, pack my bags and leave only footprints. i certainly dont' love christmas, as i have told many people. someone who is sick on peanut butter chips and shame +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: taking it out on us
by rebelstrange＠ldd.net 21 Dec '98

21 Dec '98

SOMEMONE sez-- ave also been a bit disturbed with frighteningly obsessive love of Belle and Sebastian on the list lately. As much as the band mean to me personally, it is just a band at the end of the day. Taking the music at face value won't lead to much; a little thinking and a critical eye are important. I hate to say it, but if the band were to go lardy or lame, I would have to drop them (though I doubt I could do it straight away). Let's not rest on our laurels. The band, including Isobel, are regular people, no better or worse than anyone else. ************************* HMMMMMM now who could THIS be referring to???????? come on now, put your thinking caps on. I hate to be pissy about it, but for bloody hell's sake, it's a joke. can't we have a bit of a laugh now and then? no one honestly believes any members of the band are superhuman deities, part of the attraction i think is that they are such normal people like you and me. stop taking every thing so blasted seriously. i thought that the irony in all the discussion of Arms of sex etc, was pretty apparent. i see nothing disturbing in making some humorous remarks eh???????? besides that, i'm very lonely right now, can i just have my stupid teenage pop obsession for once in my life?? jiminy christmas. i'm sorry, i dont' usually get angry, but this bickering and criticism is just getting to me in general. i think most of us here have a good enough sense of humor to know a joke from reality. the lovely(and saintly master of mix tapes) Xavier asked about pop musicians in Philly. Sorry i can't help you out right now, but maybe if i get accepted to go to school there next year, i can take you up on the offer.......may i have a rain check??? i know your frustration in finding people into the same musicks, especially here in the cultural armpit of america, the pickings are slim indeed. it's especialy hard to find any girls who play instruments, girls have to be so boring sometimes!! i'm the only girl i know who plays guitar who lives anywhere in this area. maybe i just dont' know where to look for them. welcome again to the illustrious genevieve. your stuart david crush is approved of. he does look pretty cute in the wicked video, he makes that funny expression with his eyebrows when he picks up the letter and reads it.. too bad for you he's taken! ha, your scenario gives me an idea. twould be funny indeed to see a b&s manga, would it not? reckon isobel would be pretty hot stuff in a vinyl bodysuit and spiked heels and a sub-machine gun in hand. hmmm>???? chris could be the wacky one, you know there is always one wacky goofy charcter in almost every manga/anime. oh well. blah blah. i better shut up before i scare any more individuals. I'm sorry for yelling!! i've had a sorry week adn i'm taking it out on you!! but for teh love of stu, it's all happy bunny games!!! i'm not insane i swear!!!!! just to get our minds off boring crap, here's some different sort of boring crap, it's a poem, have fun y'all, and think happy b/s monopoly tho'ts/ EDIE (hope this is exact, i do not have my official copy up here) Something's breaking, bleeding underneath my skin the itch is shock-white, ice-hot I turn my head, bite my lip, stalk shy Toss my jaw like some coyote bitch. my eyes are yellow-pointed if you look at me I will disappear. So I duck dark bite my lip through. something cracked in me, sparks melting wires to a boil, running from my eyes, in my sweat, burning in my skin I spit fire. She's so so hollowed out and used up in the marrow, Drunk on the moon, on glitter in the vein Hospital-white and shot with black holes, sorrow and mighty desperation that could burn down cathedrals. Black-on-white maddening pitch stretches me from silence to catatonia, to passion to utter flight. Something in me that's running ain't blood. Jaw swings, cold spittle and bile, i'm waxing with the night, bloating waning into somethgn silver I can't feel until I have torn off my own skin like bandages, the unbearable metallic itch of life outgrown. Digging beyond the dust and blood to cold bone that frames the black stars to find her inside of me. I find I can't cry, I just stare Licking at the tongue of Decay, staring at her antiseptic belly, I think about tasting it in wintertime ************************************************************** exasperated, lesleyJo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: The UNIT Awards (Sorry for the plugging!)
by Ben Rainbird 21 Dec '98

21 Dec '98

My Mailing list Unit is now launching it's official end of year awards. The categories are... 1) Song Of The Year/Worst Song Of The Year 2) Album Of The Year/Worst Album Of The Year 3) Video Clip Of The Year/Worst Video Clip Of The Year 4) Band Of The Year/Worst Band Of The Year 5) Underrated Band Of The Year/Overrated Band Of The Year 6) Man Of The Year/Woman Of The Year 7) Wanker Of The Year To Vote, send an e-mail to ozmusic48(a)hotmail.com with VOTES in the subject line Thanx Ben ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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