December 1998 - Sinister

Sinister: youth movements and stuff
by Genevieve Wesley 08 Dec '98

08 Dec '98

dear list, oh this is long...but these great posts from sandra,anastasoa and heather just get me thinking..my thoughts all in a jumble..it may be hard to understand me,there's a million things to say... Anastasia wrote: >question: do we think these movements exist at all anymore, or even have >any reason to? i think these subcultures exist, but the things that >motivate them, if there even are any motivations, are completely different >than the motivations of the groups are parents belonged to. well,honestly..i don't think there is a big big movement with belle and sebastian type youth...well,maybe there is in little unknown ways... if there was a youth thing going on in the 90's..it's got to be the skaters...there's so many,if they all got to together! but i do not think there is a movement really...i mean,if they really wanted to rebel against something,yes certainly they have got VERY important things,not just your parents values..like maybe how we're destroying our earth?...seriously..i mean a lot good going 'fuck society man! i'm a rebel!' when you might not have clean water to drink...or fresh air to breathe,i think it's so sad,when even the most beautiful,pristine places of wilderness on earth have smog in the air floated over from other cities...rebelling against mass-consumption...it would take lots of people and unfortunatley,that big number of teenagers are the ones who just contribute more and more buy falling for the commericals,this image that they are supposed to be ("selling ourselves to ourselves")buying every tommy hifiger,nike prouduct etc. i can't really talk with knowledge about the other groups,the mods and punks etc (and teddy boys? hee hee "meet me after school,the teddy boys are going to kick your ass" hee) but the one thing i find kinda fake in all these groups is the importance of what you wear how you look..you get loads of piercings and tattoos and spike your hair and THAT'S why your a rebel? or you wear a short skirt? or whateve..i mean if you like that look,FINE..but so many define their whole soul around an image..and if you do that,it must be a kinda shallow movement? and sometimes..i wonder..what are we going to look like in history books? i mean,as much as i love some of my music..i know it's not going to be around in 50 or 100 years from now,I used to always think my father was being a classical-music snob person..when he told me that.. i'd be like"can't i just enjoy the moment without worrying if it's going to be remembered etc" but isn't that one of the problems,living too much for now? buying the most popular things,the hottest thing,the next biggest thing etc...i mean you could say there are movements everywhere,there's always strikes and rallys but sometimes i think people are a little too quick to jump and say their rights are being infringed...but what about the planet being infringed? it's all connected (the big corporate companies who don't care about pollution...that could be a big record company vs little independant one)and if anyone cares about the earth,they get labeled a hippy-freak? i mean it's fine to sit back and write brilliant essays and editorials stating exactly what's wrong...but it's another thing to go out there and DO something. I'm not saying this what ALL the kids are like...but just from my own experiences,and friends and people around me..most of them are too drugged up to even notice,or they fall for the newspaper article stating 'everything is ok'. heather: >This is what I consider to be so interesting about this movement, it's >niceness. Please, someone, explain this to me. Are the hugs, fuzzy >sweaters, comeraderie with one's parents all a symbol of a greater >cultural fear of the millenial unknown, or is this for real? I love the >music, but I'd like to solve the mystery of the seemingly docile youth who >follow it. i don't think they are really docile..i mean would not exactly call my relationship with my parents very comeraderie,my halo isn't exactly gleaming..i mean sure we share little stories on here,but there's a lot of darkness that people just aren't going to see...but again,maybe elsewhere these fuzzy sweater people are like that,i can only speak from what i do and see. sandra wrote: >Personally, I don't think a movement has to be about rebellion/politics. exactly! i mean,when anger my parents,it's through other things,not by coming home with a mohawk and a bullring nose ring and chanting 'Satan! Satan!'..i mean sure i could do that,but what would that prove honestly?i think people should stop worring about labels and groups and trying to define everything so neatly maybe one day a youth movement will wake up and rebel against something that's really worth it you know? it's so strange today...there's much more violence etc,and yet at the same time we have it so easy...we've grown used to just sitting back and being entertained...how boring it must be,so empty and no substance Ok...i'm not sure this had anythign to do with the original discussion...pop and belle and sebastian? and i'm not this big eco-warrior freak,i just worry. love, genevieve ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". 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Sinister: covered in melted chocolate. Again.
by Alix Campbell 08 Dec '98

08 Dec '98

GOURANGA! i'm forcing myself to read all these before going and listening to modern cock thong. i had to buy it in virgin.ugh. horrid claustrophobic shop owned by that scraggy-bearded bloke who lives up the road from here. thingy wrote: >Tell us. >Which Pop Star you saw recently ? and i say: thom yorke in chalky's in oxford i was too shy to say anything so i cycled out of the city and fell off my bike in a supermarket carpark instead. i have a relevant query. what are 'counting acts'? am i silly not to know? i had to explain belle and sebastian to someone the other day. she said 'buh and what?, i don't get it'. what she had got though, was every uk number one since march 1996, and all of take that's stuff, including solo stuff. that's not normal, is it? when i think of movements, i think of prunes. oh, books, i know no one gives a toss, but i meant to say the world's end series by monica dickens, not follyfoot farm. i'm reading ray bradbury now though. can anyone think of something i could do for the rest of the year coming? because i can't, and i'm getting worried that i'm simply going to fade away. yes, to a life that strives upwards alix.c "So don't approach me if you've no more to say than what you've been doing, or how much you paid for the beer in your hand. I really don't care and I might have to kill you, which wouldn't be fair. On me" - Prolapse 'Killing The Bland' +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: JAY F.
by Sebastian 08 Dec '98

08 Dec '98

Not that it matters, but Mr. Jay Ferguson, guitarist extraordinaire from super-group Sloan, has chosen Belle and Sebastian as his second favourite record in 1998...right after Rufus Wainwright, and ahead of AIR. yay! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: D'ye Ken Ted Moult
by Gary Done 08 Dec '98

08 Dec '98

Hi List types.... Peter, is the subject title type thing or you ?. Well if you've got anymore requests, I'm only too happy to oblige. This one was going to be The Len Ganley stance, but first someone beat me to it and then Sarah told me you'd requested this one, so.... Speaking of which. Isn't it good to have the Fluffstress back to her old self again. 50% irrelevant drivel 50% insults. That's what I like to see in a Fluffy post. Personally I think she's spot on as well, LOTMDR is the most sing along of the B&S songs for me. Slow Graffiti's not far behind it mind though. Well I've not got the new single yet, I shall purchase it tomorrow, when I venture out the house, so I'll get to hear all the devastating alterations in the tracks for myself. Katrina, you should know by now, that pinching David's sweets will only put him in a bad mood. 87) Oh my god, he's back. The one the only Rod "the Bod" Begbie returns.... "Whoops - This didnae work the other day. Let's try again..." Stupid boy. 87) > So I ordered some stuff out of the Jeepster shop (including a copy of > Modern Rock Song) and my credit card was maxed-out, so I got a message > on my answerphone from Katrina telling me, and then I phone up David > to give him my other credit card number, and he mentions that I was > topping a list-crush vote (although apparently all the votes were > coming from one site), so I decided to have a nosey at the archive. Yeah, I can't keep it secret anymore Rod, they're all from me. I've been popping in there every hour on the hour especially to vote for you. 87) Julie wrote.... "Well, hmm I had my first ever dream about Belle and Sebastian." I'm yet to have a B&S dream, but I did dream I was punching the shit out of a member of Sinister at a party once many months ago. Very weird. I'M STEALING FLUFFYS SIG NOW I'M GOING NOW BYE!! Gary +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Want the New Single!
by Derek J Weisel 08 Dec '98

08 Dec '98

Hi, I am in the United States and every place I get my imports from says they dont know when they will have it. I checked on a couple places on the web and saw that the Jeepster shopping site is closed until after Christmas. I live outside Philadelpia has anybody else from the area found it somewhere or on the web somewhere. Thanks -Derek +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: list crush
by barzy＠networkmags.com 08 Dec '98

08 Dec '98

>Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:03:07 -0800 >To:david kitchen - jeepster <shop(a)jeepster.co.uk> >From:barzy@networkmags.com (Madame Cholet) >Subject:Re: Sinister: list crush > > >>sorry, but cheating really isn't sporting. >> >>on the same note, the whole top five are currently on the tightrope of being >>deleted too, whoever it is with BT as their ISP who's voting for Beth for >>example, >>your intentions may be lovely, but you may also get her deleted! >> >>the list crush thing is there for a laugh, no-one should need to cheat, >>it really >>isn't that important! > > >Yikes! Not to mention creepy! I mean...it's not my *boyfriend* doing it >cause he thinks it's all a load of bollocks...and it's not my photojeni >cause she's not BT...so does that mean British Telecom is trying to >......STALK ME!? If so, can you please give Andy free BT cars to call me >with? If it's NOT the British Telecom...then that's even creepier, so I >must tell you that i'm much fatter and uglier than in the photo that's up >on the page so don't base anything on that for heaven's sake. Think >PHOTOSHOP people. > > >beth +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: this is just a (post)modern rock song (fwd)
by Archel 08 Dec '98

08 Dec '98

humble pie, everyone: dear david, of course, i do love the 'proper' version of TEAJAMS and it is only the unavoidable attachment to the first heard version that makes me complain. it is a wonderful song in all its forms and i just feel very lucky to be able to hear variations on a theme at all. i didn't mean to be snotty or purist or whatever - heaven forbid. b&s will be the soundtrack to my life whether they do twiddly vocals or not, never fear! thankyou for making my monday morning wonderful, luv archel xxx ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Playforth rap101(a)york.ac.uk http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nobody can be uncheered with a balloon." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: dublin / judo
by Lady Penelope 08 Dec '98

08 Dec '98

hello, such is my enthusiasm for the new ep i have morphed into four boys and we are all quite cosy in our corduroys on this strangely mild december london day. last night i got home from dinner at my friend elliot's house in highgate and ate a mincepie while lighting candles in my bedroom....i slipped the cd in and snuggled up in the sounds of stuart's quasi-symphonic mots des fleurs....i thought of simple things and how i don't stop to look around and absorb, how the simple things pass me by and yet i seem to notice only the things which confuse and irritate me. slow graffiti is one of the most beautiful things i have ever heard. after hearing it live i thought it's strength would never translate to a studio recording and thankfully my ignorance has let me down again! now, moving on, mike from san francisco wants to meet the oirish contingent over the xmas period....the 27th at the long stone in dublin has been suggested. who is up for it (oooeeer)? please mail me privately and we'll organise something....i am going to be in ireland at my parents house in south kildare from the 24th until the 31st and i'd lerve to meet up with any of you. also is anyone planning on going to: a) the pastels at the garage on saturday? b) st etienne on the ? of december at the forum? c) new order & co extravaganza on new years eve? trent was on daria last sunday! woo hoo! padraic / lady penelope / wizzcake, gateau du wizz (she put me on the ground with judo) _________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Twee versus Rock (Part 246)
by Kevan Cooke 08 Dec '98

08 Dec '98

Was that really Rod Begbie? Good to hear from him again, although I can't really understand this list crush business, seeing as how he looks like that Dr Fox bloke off the radio, but in a Helen Love t-shirt. Talking of list crushes I have to say that if there is one thing worse than getting no votes, it's being on the suggested list and still getting no votes. At least Mark Casarotto is saving up his alternate sexuality vote for me if he ever has a significant change of lifestyle. Thanks to everyone for their constructive comments regarding the Pop Subutteo debacle. Unfortunately the ban imposed by the governing body remains in place for next week, but this is more than made up for by the prospect of meeting a horde of New York listees on the 12th. Have you seen the bit in Select this month where they summarise pop music through the last ten years as a series of musical genres? Have you spotted the following entry right at the end? > >TweeRock (Late 1990s) > >TweeRock is the antithesis of the pub rock revivalist movement spawned >by Oasis in the mid-nineties, taking as it's influences the melodic pop >of the sixties, the gentle folk-pop of the seventies, and the DIY indie >ethic of the eighties. > >It is the popularity of the TweeRock movement that is credited with the >wholesale introduction of cardigans and biscuit nibbling to a number of >high profile fashion shows in 1998. The memorable advertising campaigns >"Bacardi, the drink for gentle sensitive people" and "Levis, for softly >spoken boys in corduroys" also sprang up at around the same time. > >The band most closely linked with TweeRock are Belle and Sebastian, >although they repeatedly deny being part of any such movement. In a >rare interview with Select bassist Stuart David went as far as to say: >"TweeRock? This is just pish pigeon-holing used as a substitute for >intelligent journalism, I'm off." > Kevan The Fat as Doestoevsky Slug *********************************** chickclick.com girl sites that don't fake it. http://www.chickclick.com http://www.chickmail.com *********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: the gate
by Jim Schmidt 08 Dec '98

08 Dec '98

december 8: it's freezing in san francisco and warm in new york...something is awry. i listened to "the gate" a few times before work this morning to help get me motivated...i must say that i think it's quite a nice tune and the bounciest of the bunch...(besides, it's the "new"-est track on the ep)...it's... whoo...all the lights just went off in our building! and all these high-pitched beeps are going off...is this the end?? well anyway, "the gate" is being harshly faulted...isobel even admits "there's gotta be a better song to sing..." and besides, it's got that whole "rainbow connection" thing going on. i better go face my fate now. jim. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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