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Sinister: Ixnay with the Igertay Ilkmay
by Rod Begbie 04 May '98

04 May '98

On Mon, 4 May 1998, Honey wrote: > David and Katrina have left the list now, which I think is a pity but > I guess they have their reasons - tangling the list up with > Jeepster's official position was always a problem and nice though a > job is, it's hard when it gets mixed up with your friends. Are their news-announcements still going to appear? Or should all be subscribing to the NewsList too? > <sensible trousers off> Nice boxers! > rod(a)begbie.com (99) Oi! I was "roddddddd(a)null.net" for a while as well (and anything with "ceerab@" or "R.A.Begbie" at the head of it). I demand a recount. On Mon, 4 May 1998, Alan Prior wrote: > have it in july! on my birthday! when i'll be 18!!! Well, we might allow you to drink alcopops at the picnic, then! I bet you're excited at that prospect. > or maybe not cus its > right before T in the Park. So whos comin to that then? Me! Got my ticket on Saturday (oooh, it's sparkly), so I'll be wandering around all weekend in my "Helen Love" t-shirt again :) > the line up is *so* > classy ths year, all my favourite peeps (bernard butler. garbage, > spiritualised) and its not as if any of them are gonna bother playing here. > bastards. Miles better than the shambles two years ago (Ricky Ross, Barenaked Ladies and Alanis Morissette playing the main stage). My only concern is Garbage and Natalie Imbrooglywoogly are both third billing on Sunday on their respective stages -- However will I decide who to see? Did anyone see the quote in the papers about why they chose to hold the festival during the World Cup Final weekend? It was the only weekend they could guarantee Scotland wouldn't be playing. hehe. > so, heres the question: do i go and see urusei yatsura on the 18th even > though i've got my last exam the next day? oh, they're such honeys... i > dunno. Of course. Passing exams is for L00SERS! Dr0P-0Ut5 R00L!!! > i have been listening to the new album for a while now, and > one of the lyrics is troubling me. i can't remember which song it is, but > does it really go "it's a century and its passing you by, watching Sunset > Beach" as in channel5 soap? #1 Cheesecake. That's how I heard the lyrics too. But then again, I came up with "balloon effigy", so my opinion is very much null and/or void. > ah, well, better get back to dylan thomas. bleugh. exam on wednesday. Good luck, and that. On Sun, 3 May 1998 blink(a)inexpress.net wrote: > ack! > they are starting shooting for the Grey Owl in Wakefield tomorrow! > Pierce Brosnan! I'm freaking out over this now.... > this would be the PERFECT oppurtinty to try out my B&S pick-up lines...and > you know what else,tomorrow is my lucky day... Kewl! Make sure and ask him what it was like to be on Muppets Tonight. To the tune of Goldfinger: "Piiiiierce Brosnan (bwah-bwaah-bwaaaah), He's the guy, the guy with the clocks that fly. He just clocked that guy." Quality. I'm keeping out of the whole 'lait de tigre' (thanks for that, babelfish) scandal, cause my views have been posted before. But if you want a copyright-related giggle, here's a clipping from the latest NTKnow (http://www.ntk.net) The BPI this week discovered that RealAudio streams *could* be recorded, after all. Shocked, *shocked*, by this discovery, and feeling betrayed by assurances that Web users could never in a million years have worked out what that "Line Out" socket was for, they immediately demanded compensation from all the music Websites. In a typically brave stand, the BBC shut down all their Radio 1 RA streams. We're just hoping no-one snitches to the BPI about that "taping the John Peel Show off the radio onto a C60" scam. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/listeningbooth/listeningbooth.html - FLASH! BBC closes down all RealAudio streams! http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/listeningbooth/ - UPDATE! Wily hackers find secret backdoor to RA files! "We never imagined directories could be listed", say experts http://www.focus-asia.com/home/mad96/cracks.htm - go on, just intercept the data going to your sound card And finally, a recommended URL (also pinched from NTKnow): Bizarre Stuff You Can Make in Your Kitchen -- http://freeweb.pdq.net/headstrong/ Remember, you can run, but you can't hide your legs. Rod. Rod Begbie @ http://www.begbie.com | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 0 OK, 0:1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: joe strummer
by Bramleys 04 May '98

04 May '98

>On a topic unrelated to anything , the clash. londons burning with >boredom now. i say LET the city burn!!!! then people might relaise >theres MORE to england! if Scotland and Wales get an assembly, the NORTH >wants one, let London fuck itself up and not the rest of us! oh yes, the clash. my mother has just started catching up on her 'lost years' in music which are the 80s. so she's got london calling in the car. quite good actually. we met joe strummer on holiday in spain a few years ago. because i was like, 10, i didn't know who he was - he was just this weirdo. one time he shouted up to my mum on the balcony "got any brandy anne baby?" and i seem to remember finding that very funny. he had an absolute slapper of a wife and his children were called swish things like Jazzy. he was very polite though. if i'd have known who he was i'd have understood. so that's my clash knowledge bethey ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: B&S at the Borderline 11/96: set list or tape?
by Ciflux 04 May '98

04 May '98

hi all: I've asked this before, but it bears re-requesting. Does anyone happen to have a set list, a live cassette, or both from Belle & Sebastian's now-legendary November 1996 show at the Borderline? I happened to be in London the week of the show, happened to attend (solely on the recommendation of an Indiepop List member), and happened to fall madly in love with a band I'd never heard and only heard of a few days previous. In the intervening 18 months, I've gotten quite obsessed with attending this show, and am frustrated that I don't remember much in the way of specifics... E-mail me privately if you can help. Thank you-- Mike ciflux(a)aol.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: DC picnickers, NY division
by bp 04 May '98

04 May '98

It seems that all earlier efforts at arranging travel via rented automobile to Our Nation's Lovely Capital for the sinister picnic at Pam Berry's house have collapsed under the pressure of flakiness and general wanking about. For those who like me are eager to drink beer in a different city and/or bask like young lions in the sun while tolerating the presence of others of the Belle and Sebastian mob, the Greyhound coach company has hatched a fiendish scheme to haul us there. If one buys a ticket at normal price three days in advance, one is entitled to bring one's friend along for free, gratis, like so much carry-on luggage, assuming one's friend maintains the same itinerary as one's self. As the cost of a round-trip Greyhound ticket between New York's fresh-lemon-scented Port Authority Bus Terminal and Washington is $56,a person would pay a mere $28, provided said person has an accomplice, to go from the big city to Swamp-on-the-Potomac. The deadline is WEDNESDAY, so hop to it. We must, therefore, travel in pairs. If you are a stray die (as am I) looking for a travelling comrade from NYC to the picnic this weekend, please e-mail me directly. Anyone interested as well in sitting with the away support as the brave rojo y negro of the Metro attempt to gub the DC filth at RFK Stadium in a fiery but doubtless ineptly-played soccer match can join me the evening of the picnic. Previous encounters between the good guys and the evil scum to the south have featured: rampaging Polish hooligans, pitch invasions, rocket attacks on the Metro dugout, countless offside goals, a "Warriors"-esque jaunt through the pitch-dark RFK car park, the sight of Marco "El Diablo" Etcheverry offering the Empire End in NY a one-fingered salute, the NY supporters forced onto the pitch at the end of play last April by a charge of 500 DC bastards, and an aggregate score over two years of 19-18 for the Metro. BENJAMIN ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Tigermilk (My final word)
by David Walker 04 May '98

04 May '98

Hello, Just wanted to round up a few points posted over the above subject in the last day or so, I will then no longer pursue the discussion. There`s loads of other things to talk about - light banter is always better than serious debate !! Anyway, here goes..... Chris wrote... "People want to hear the music, we love the band, and wonder what the big fuss is about." This was a point I made in my original reply to Katrina. I am willing to buy a copy on LP, even at a vastly inflated price, but it isn`t that easy. So I need a copy. And as my CD player is more reliable than my tape (which chews tapes randomly), I was hoping for a more long lasting copy on there. I just want a playable copy of the album ! "Honey" wrote.... "David and Katrina have left the list now, which I think is a pity but I guess they have their reasons - tangling the list up with Jeepster's official position was always a problem " I think it would have been nice, certainly from my point of view, for them to have stayed and discussed the matter. I was sent a letter telling me I was possibly going to be sued, and despite writing private emails to both of them, no reply has so far been forthcoming. I have sent a subsequent email saying that I will no longer pursue any type of copy - digital or analogue - for fear that I will face legal repercussions. Theoretically, if I get sued and successfully (highly unlikely), so could a large number of you. He continued (sorry this isn`t Tigermilk related !).. "I did it for subjects too: no surprises for the number one slot here: Tigermilk (39)" What happened to Guy Chadwick/House Of Love lyrics ? Joss wrote.... "The arguments (from digest 3/5/98) all seem to have been directed rather personally at David and Katrina. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Katrina merely an employee of Jeepster?" >From my point of view, I have only had contact with Katrina, a personal email saying I was to be sued if I copied "Tigermilk". Granted she did say that it was on behalf of Jeepster, but no argument was given as to why. Of course it is infringement of copyright, but isn`t this an issue when it is put onto tape ? I have no "axe to grind" with either of those people, and have apologised to David for making his position on the list uncomfortable, and I will apologise to Katrina when she explains herself fully over the legal issues. I just feel like I am being made an example of when many others have openly advertised for "Tigermilk" copies on here for as long as I can remember. Matt wrote.... "Also, Jeepster attempting legal action sounds to me a lot like "bark bigger than bite" syndrome. Even if Jeepster hand such funds to take on such court battles, the idea of a fan making a personal copy (i.e. not a grand bootlegging operation) would be laughed out of court in the US." I am not going to claim any sort of legal expertise on this issue, but I am just one year short of qualifying as a solicitor and know a few bits and bobs, enough to realise that theoretically I could be sued if I did undertake this action. Proving it (bearing in mind I don`t own the equipment) would be a nightmare, the case itself would be a very unsafe one to undertake (and could cost a lot of money for little reward) and attempting to justify the action after almost encouraging taping onto cassette in the past would effectively make it a non starter. As it would be solely for personal use - well, I wouldn`t want to pursue that kind of case. But I am not going to risk it. And as I said earlier, the implications of a successful case would be very far reaching indeed. Finally, Sarah wrote.... "FOR GODS SAKE! Jeepster is a COMPANY! it needs to make profits, and the oooh, STAYING LEGAL thing might help them in, um, SURVIVING?" They would make a lot more in rereleasing "Tigermilk" on LP and CD than suing me. The only things I have of worth are my old Sarah Records stuff, a few other records, this computer, a couple of books and my sanity. I don`t think that lot would secure the shareholders a foreign holiday. My last "Tigermilk" post.....but not my last post, Cheers, David (Master criminal of olde Bolton town). -- David Walker Paul Weller Links And Information: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6411/links.html Paul Weller Trading Post: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/6411/trade.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: pic nice
by Johnston, John CT 04 May '98

04 May '98

Just back from the London picnic. According to David there were 52 people there at one time. If that result came up on the Grandstand vide-printer it would have said Sinister - 52 (Fifty Two!!!!!). I'd like to say more about it but having got home I find I'm absolutely knackered. Suffice it to say that I went on my own but I met a lot of realy nice new people. It was great to find out who the people behind the email were. Everybody brought plenty to eat and there were games and chuckles aplenty. At the end our guitarist knocked out a few acoustic B&S numbers and we finished on a spirited rendition of Mayfly with everybody joining in on the air-stylophone. We ruled! xx John ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: busting a move
by mkl206＠is8.nyu.edu 04 May '98

04 May '98

i'm horribly hurt that i was not listed as i high poster. i feel that i should post much more often, despite the fact that i may not have anything to share. i figure that's incidental. because it is my goal to prove that i have no social life, and i will not rest until i can do so. it seems that lately there just hasn't been that much mail, so i get bored easily and then start badgering people in the chatroom. so i'll make some statistics. 60% of the top ten posters come into the chatroom regularly. ok, that's only one statistic. oh well, nevermind. i think i'm only at thirty or something, so i'm going to seriously have to work on this. also, isn't it funny that the magnetic fields were such a big topic? i'm rather impressed really. for those of you who don't know them, i'd suggest listening to them cause they're absolutely wonderful, and all their stuff is available in the uk now, so you have no excuses. and ask number 1 poster keith, he'll be sure to tell you. cause apparently, he can't stop talking. in some b&s-ey content, the other night i went to see elliott smith at nyu. so i'm standing around talking to my friend for an hour and listening to sinister! and lazy line painter jane! i got so excited that i went up to find out whose cds they were. i know it seems silly in a city like nyc where it's the top selling cd of 1997 at other music, but i somehow feel the need to meet any and all b&s fans. so i met the guy (scott i think? oh dear, i forgot) and his roommate is on the list!!!! woohoo, we're taking over! so hey, you! i know who you are, so you'd best pipe up now! that's how to get the kids talking. ok, that's a fairly respectable post. some content, some criticism, some humor for the kids (yes, there was humor, go find it!) and all rather concise. honey gave me carte blanche to talk shit anyway, so may as well use it. i love you all!!! xox megan mkl206(a)is8.nyu.edu visit the magnetic fields web page at: http://www.dissemination.com/megan/magneticfields/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: B&S, the new sigue sigue sputnik? quite possibly.
by Sarah 04 May '98

04 May '98

i feel like speaking up. and as befits the 8th most prolific poster ("i'm so sad/i've got no mates/i have no life/never had a date"), i shall HAHA! Boring serious topic time. FOR GODS SAKE! Jeepster is a COMPANY! it needs to make profits, and the oooh, STAYING LEGAL thing might help them in, um, SURVIVING? for gods sake. you KNOW the label WERE on the list (big appluase to david walker), so why the fuck did you mention anything! twat! honestly, what the fuck do you expect. if Katrina just just yer mate, she woulnd't arse, but as worker, thats her fucking job. let her at least do that wouldcha? Duke - "home taping is kiling music" on record sleeves? seriously? you ARE pulling my plonker! haha, thats magnificent! if its an invention very well done you lazy line painter. heehee... On a topic unrelated to anything , the clash. londons burning with boredom now. i say LET the city burn!!!! then people might relaise theres MORE to england! if Scotland and Wales get an assembly, the NORTH wants one, let London fuck itself up and not the rest of us! "baby, you make me feel sinister....." I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!! Sarah Fury Boogie OUT SOON! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Sand in my joints
by Keith Watson 04 May '98

04 May '98

>edinburgh picnic! i'm scared of beaches. and i'll end up with bits of >gravel and beasties and stuff appearing on me for the next month... where's >Braid Hills? Sorry, i've only lived near embra for a bit over 10 years... >still don't know where anywhere is... >have it in july! on my birthday! when i'll be 18!!! or maybe not cus its >right before T in the Park. So whos comin to that then? the line up is *so* >classy ths year, all my favourite peeps (bernard butler. garbage, >spiritualised) and its not as if any of them are gonna bother playing here. >bastards. >last year i got one of the buses there and back each day and on the way >back at night (on my own) the bus broke down and i got lost in the middle >of nowhere. 'twas v. scary. Debbie, didn't you say you lived in Liberton or something - cause Braid hills is kind of right next to there, it's the hills behind Blackford hill where the Royal Observatory is, Braid hills road runs between Alwnickhill and pretty much Morningside road. I thought it'd make a nice place to go, although I'm not altogether too sure cause it may be tricky getting people there, or more tricky - getting them back, as I guess there aren't many taxis passing there. So I guess Portobello Beach may be the best bet, There's also Holyrood park, which is the most sensible option, but it's a bit boring anyway. In any case, if we do go to the beach, we can build sandcastles - really nice ones, and then later on we can just kick 'em all down again in a sort of arty create-destroy-rebuild thing. Which is a bit like the We plant the seed, nature grows the seed, we eat the seed thingy. If anyone can make any suggestions about where to have one in Edinburgh then please let me know. I suggest we have one pretty soon anyway, no point hanging around - life's too short. Who'd be interested in coming to an Edinburgh one anyway, lets assume for arguments sake we do it in about a months time. Incidentally, I had to post this letter cause MILLER cheated himself by posting a letter to the list *about* the fact that I cheated. And incidentally, it wasn't a :-) MILLER, it was a ;-) - a *wink*, that's right, I once winked at a pastels gig. Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Yes, what was Judy reading?
by Pedro Rodrigues 04 May '98

04 May '98

>>> Janine Papp <janine(a)mute.com> 4 May 1998 15:50 >>> >does anyone have any idea of what the book is that Judy reads in Judy >and the dream of horses? Has anyone read the book featured on the > cover of If You're Feeling Sinister? I think the book on the cover is Kafka's "The Trial". I didn't read it but I saw the movie (by Orson Welles, always impressive). It's about this guy who gets sued, and he doesn't know what for, and the State, that is suing him, don't know what they suing him for either. He fights it as much as he can, and the end he gets convicted and killed (I think). It's pretty senseless actually, the trial is probably a metaphor for Life, where you get thrown into it without being consulted about it, get hassled all the way through it, and in the end you're just condemned to die, never knowing what for. That could be Kafka's view, I find it interesting as a good description of the human situation, not to say everything is pointless but rather to get people to ask the questions that need to be asked. But enough serious thinking for this peaceful (not) afternoon on the Sinister List :-))). Correct me if I'm wrong on any of that Kafka stuff - I didn't read him so I probably am wrong... I definitely don't think it's a good book for a nice girl like Judy to be reading under the covers at night - it's depressive and scary. And there is *no way* "The Trial" could produce a dream about horses! At least, not one you would want to write a song about. I suggest Judy was reading "The Black Stallion". Any (more imaginative) suggestions? I wish I had a (legal) copy of Tigermilk... - Pedro ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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