May 1998 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: reading, writing, and rawk
by Janine Papp 04 May '98

04 May '98

Hello sinisterines, I have a question, which I hope has not already been discussed on the list before, as I have only been a subsriber for oh, a month or so, now... but I looked at the FAQs and my friend who has been on the list for a while assures me that he has not seen it discussed. so, here goes... does anyone have any idea of what the book is that Judy reads in Judy and the dream of horses? Has anyone read the book featured on the cover of If You're Feeling Sinister? Also... re: Tigermilk copies. I have bought everything available by Belle and Sebastian, and even if I had a taped copy of Tigermilk, if it came out later, legitimately on cd, I would still buy it. So I don't think it stops people from buying the band's merchandise. oh and one last little aside - my friend who is on the list, I'm going to embarrass him for a moment by saying that I saw his band last night at Brownies and they're really really good. They're called Hala Star. Do any other listees have bands? (er, for you new yorkers, my band's playing this fri. at mercury lounge in nyc - e-mail me for details). sorry for that shameless plug. carry on now with business as usual. Janine ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: yeknoworrameanlike?
by Alan Prior 04 May '98

04 May '98

heeeeeeeey kids!!! okay, so i've half tidied my room, i've rearranged my cds, i've made up a tape (breaching copyright regs again. eek!) and i've stressed over my very red hair disaster. So now its time to bore the pants of the sinister bunch! yay! but first: humph. another picnic today. and another one i can't go to. pah. hate london. will vow never to go there EVER. *sulks* edinburgh picnic! i'm scared of beaches. and i'll end up with bits of gravel and beasties and stuff appearing on me for the next month... where's Braid Hills? Sorry, i've only lived near embra for a bit over 10 years... still don't know where anywhere is... have it in july! on my birthday! when i'll be 18!!! or maybe not cus its right before T in the Park. So whos comin to that then? the line up is *so* classy ths year, all my favourite peeps (bernard butler. garbage, spiritualised) and its not as if any of them are gonna bother playing here. bastards. last year i got one of the buses there and back each day and on the way back at night (on my own) the bus broke down and i got lost in the middle of nowhere. 'twas v. scary. so, heres the question: do i go and see urusei yatsura on the 18th even though i've got my last exam the next day? oh, they're such honeys... i dunno. oh, and i have been listening to the new album for a while now, and one of the lyrics is troubling me. i can't remember which song it is, but does it really go "it's a century and its passing you by, watching Sunset Beach" as in channel5 soap? suppose rrrrodddddennnnyy would be the best person to ask about this... ah, well, better get back to dylan thomas. bleugh. exam on wednesday. love, debbie xxx. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Cheating Bastard!
by PJMiller 04 May '98

04 May '98

>Bearing in mind we all accept that this list fills a gap in all our >lives when we're bored stiff or haven't got any friends, who is the >saddest of them all? Just for fun I looked at the archives and foudn >out who's posted the most since August last year (based on number of >messages and not size). Here we go: > >keith(a)qss.co.uk (283) >pjmiller(a)arrakis.es + oc245d8aff(a)colon.net (264) Hooray! I am clearly the winner, because Keith cheated once and sent in a message consisting solely of ":-)" because people were walking out of Pastels gigs in droves. This is punishable by having twenty messages removed from your score. >Aren't the top ten brilliantly predictable?! I thought this was >great - Keith and Peter steam ahead in front, clearly having no >friends. I'm embarrassingly antisocial too. I like the way some of >them try to fool us by changing their email addresses. Some kind of weighting system may be necessary here. Duke's rather weedy showing is due to his enforced lay-off when someone caused him a rather nasty groin injury by calling the Lovin' Spoonful "insipid cack". >Sons of Showaddywaddy (10) > >Great last one there - I must go back and look at it in the archives. ah yes, a classic. Let me think back to save you a trip to the archives....Warren Oates plays for Luton, I once had to climb out of the toilet window.....oh sod it, go and look at the archives. Billy No Mates ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Thoughts on Tigermilk and copies of such
by Matthew Neimark 04 May '98

04 May '98

>continuing flak that we are taking regarding defending the bands rights >re: Tigermilk Bootlegs we will be unsubscribing from the sinister list. David, >From the fans perspective (and I say fans perspective because I believe the statistically significant majority of fans feel this way), it does not sound like you, Katrina, or Jeepster are attempting to secure band rights in any way. It appears more like your camp is following a political agenda by claiming the bands legal rights. That is my impression. If I am wrong, I sincerely apologize, but I'm sure many of my fellow fans (especially those who do not own Tigermilk) feel the same way. Many analogies can be made to a class struggle. There were very few Tigermilks made and only the most priveleged own them (some more than one). People are allowed to own arguably inferior cassette copies of the recording, but the original becomes nothing more than an un-obtainable dream. Some people challenge the idea that they can own only a cassette copy and pursue a better facsimile (that technology now allows). Jeepster puts them in their lower-class places by claiming legal authority over the matter. I don't think the band cares that random people on the list would make CD-R copies of their first recording. If it was that important to them that people buy the original, they would re-release it. (I distinctly remember one of the band members during the chat claiming that it wouldn't bother him even if a larger scale bootlegging operation were to occur.) I also don't think Jeepster has a legal authority over Tigermilk. Either Electric Honey or the band do. Of course either could allow Jeepster's pursuit of legal action on behalf of themselves, but I don't think they would particularly care if one fan were to make a copy. Third, if it were to come to legal action (at least in the United States), one could claim "Fair Use". That is, since Tigermilk is out of print (unobtainable) and one is using the recording for a literary, scientific, cultural, or artistic use, copywrite laws allow a personal copies by individuals who aren't attempting sale or profit. Since most of our laws come from England, I'm sure the same holds in the UK. Also, Jeepster attempting legal action sounds to me a lot like "bark bigger than bite" syndrome. Even if Jeepster hand such funds to take on such court battles, the idea of a fan making a personal copy (i.e. not a grand bootlegging operation) would be laughed out of court in the US. And it is VERY easy to sue someone in the US. Matt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: What was that debut lp called again?
by jossleag＠iol.ie 04 May '98

04 May '98

This Tigermilk debate seems to have escalated rather horrifically. A couple of points I'd like to add: The arguments (from digest 3/5/98) all seem to have been directed rather personally at David and Katrina. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Katrina merely an employee of Jeepster? I would doubt that either she or David are directly or solely responsible for the labels position on the bootlegging matter. Personally, I would have preferred a form letter to Sinister list types to say 'we're overlooking taping of Tigermilk, but we'd rather you didn't burn it onto cd or, more specifically, offer cd copies to others.' (Where does everybody else think they should draw the line?) The thing is, there seems to be increasing bootlegging of Tigermilk from all quarters, so Jeepster clearly reckon the only way to try to control it is with the 'ton of bricks' approach. Possibly since they're so sick to death of the whole issue anyway. Since it rears its head so often, I would also assume that Jeepster have contacted the band about this, so their opinion would concur somewhat with what the owners of the music feel. Whatever, the whole episode seems to have taken an unpleasant turn with bad feelings on several fronts. It's only a bloody record after all. joss (hoping to return to the land of the lurkers) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Belle and Sebastian Junky
by graham thomson 04 May '98

04 May '98

I hate belle and sebastian, they are bastards. First they lured me into their trap with songs such as Judy and her dream of horses and stars of track and feild. Then when they had trapped I was stuck there was no way out. The sweet tunes had made me an addict. I want more and more and more but hey no Tiger Milk. So where does that leave me? at home on my be listening to Mayfly. God why did they have to pry on me?? Today I am nothing more than a Belle And Seb Junky. Junky John ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Fw: Sinister: what is happening?
by Chris Borne 04 May '98

04 May '98

> Euan Leitch > > i've just come in from watching the sunset over a few beers and telling > people about how nice the sinister list is. buit now the sky has fallen > down. A wonderful ink polaroid comes to mind.... Sitting in some mud-walled jail cell, bowels gurgling, hearing "Judy and the dream of horses" strain out from beyond the door, echoing down corridors. Could bring some peace to a sad situation. Chrispy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: tradin a bit o camera obscura
by Lzylnepntr 04 May '98

04 May '98

would anyone be interested in copying the camera obscura record for a trade? i'm desperately seeking a copy of it. write back to me personally please. thanks ciao y ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: But miss....Queries
by The Spod 04 May '98

04 May '98

Redifusion was a high street retailer in electronic goods they were bought by granda tvs in the early eighties but if you go into some service stations you can still see their lovely speakers with a funny * symbol in the middle :) my daddy used to work for them :) Oh and Tyrozetes (spelling?) are the bestest drugs you can chewloads of them till your mouth gos numb .....mmmmmmmm :) arrrg why all these smiley faces? oh yes caffiene overdose :) oh and how many B&S ppl are ICQ'ers and what aboout an online picnic with lots of virtual rain. Though scarily enough we had a sunny day in manchester today? how often does that happen oh and can anyone suggest the attire of a B&S person (I am think of making some skins for quake 2) Hugs + Stuff TheSpod p.s. hope you have a nice day :) "Toddlers" - Stormtroopers of the Dark Lord of Entropy "Beauty is not caused - it is, chase it and it ceases, chase it not and it abides" --Emily Dickinson >Yaz wrote > >> So she got a special deal on renting >> >From the man at Rediffusion > >what is Rediffusion?? it's something that's been bothering me for a while >now. is it a shop of some sort, as it sounds like it from the rest of the >lyrics? ...plus, that ties in with lots of the other song lyrics (Marks >and Spencer, C&A, Debenhams, Boots, Littlewoods, the list goes on...) any >bets as to what'll be the next 'high street store' reference in a b&s >song? > >hope to see some of you lovely people tomorrow at the london picnic > >rob > x > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > + > / \ St Theresa's calling her > | O | The church up on the hill > _______| _ | Is looking lovely > / / /\ | __| \/. But it doesn't interest > /_/\_//_/||##| ;\|/' The only thing she wants to know > __|_||_|||_||##|_____|_ Is how and why and when and where to go > > If you're feeling sinister... > Belle and Sebastian >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net >. Nee nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa >----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: pierce...darling...
by blink＠inexpress.net 03 May '98

03 May '98

ack! they are starting shooting for the Grey Owl in Wakefield tomorrow! Pierce Brosnan! I'm freaking out over this now.... this would be the PERFECT oppurtinty to try out my B&S pick-up lines...and you know what else,tomorrow is my lucky day... it is all just fitting in so perfectly so but problem...they close everything off so you can only get their by the steam train... BUT..if arctic woman drops me off so far,i can walk through a couple miles through the forest,does Pierce like mountain girls? anyways,i know it's a tough mission,but i'll try out those lines tomorrow..(they won't be on Pierce Brosnan,but i can pretend) the senators beat new jersey! :) jeez! they going crazy round here...and you know,whenever they score they repeatdely play the 'whoo hoo' bit of Song 2? does Damon know about this? they use that to sell everyting now did strangelove really break up? the irc thing is being mean,won't let me back on,speaking of that,gareth chat buddy where'd you go? oh dear,whenever i hear pastels nothing to be done,i cna't stop doing little air guitar...it's so sad! smooch, genevieve ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Nee nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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