September 1998 - Sinister

Sinister: You can lead a horse to water...
by Shearer, Calumn 30 Sep '98

30 Sep '98

1) But your pencil must be lead, mate (Half Man Half Biscuit) 2) But if you do, just remember what a wet horse smells like. (William J Connelly, Entertainer) I haven't written much recently, (nothing much to say) but there are plenty of other people doing that one for me... Well, my oh my, hasn't it been a busy wee month? Over 1200 e-mails! and that's not counting the ones I deleted in disgust. (I'm not telling) And the collection of nice, Fluffy (Hi Sarah!), gentle, sinister types keeps growing... at this rate we'll be able to take over the world. Have I just ruined Honey's "Dastardly plan"? Oh, well.. with the immense intellect the man posseses, it won't take him long to think up a new Plan For World Domination... But I digress. The real reason for this little notelet is to "formally" announce that my competition has "fomally" closed. It was wearing a dinner jacket at the time, and that's formal enough for me, thankyouverymuch. So without furtive adon't: Greg... it's yours... as soon as you send me your address, 'cos I lost it. (doh!) Yes Ladies, Gentlemen and Hemaphrodites (seen the new Marylin Manson poster - Yeuch!) the divine, wonderous, even, dare I say it, gorgeous Greg Pallis won my poster, with what I have decided to be the best story I have been sent. Frankly, it was the only story I have been sent. Really... I'm dissapointed in the total lack of effort here. Lazy gits the lot of you. Next time I won't bother... anyway, I copied Gregs "all the song titles" story at the end of this e-mail... read and enjoy. It's really very clever. On other matters, I just recieved my first Tape Tree tape, and it's damn fine. Nice to know I'm not the only one that's bought "Kevin McDermott" ;-) I am however seriously paranoid about my tape.... Is it up to scratch? It's got a nice cover, I'll give it that. Hey ho, It's in London now. Good luck with it, chaps - and I hope it doesn't make your ears bleed too much (tee hee) Quick answers to current topics: Tigermilk dedication: Keith answered it but I think your either despicable for cheating, or commendable for using your initiative. you choose. Song lists: End it. now. I really don't care what music you're into. It's probably all good, anyway. If one band or another turns up "in the conversation" as it were, are we going to get a whole host of "oh, I like them too" one -line emails? If so, I'm outa here. Better things to do than to delete those. And, at the risk of getting flamed, the whole "ethnic/black music" debate's been done to death soooooo many times, it gets on my nerves every time. Music's music. Regardless. Some is Good. Some is Bad. Some is Korn (sorry!) but it's never been a colour. At least, not without some serious psychadelics. I seem to remember that the guitar part to "D'ya make her" by Led Zeppelin was blue, once.... What's the criteria for a "monday poem"? It seems to be a nomination thing, but I've been collecting all these wonderful, witty, poignant poems, just on the off chance I'm picked.... but noone cares. Is there a central list of "poetry people"? Is it all just a big conspiracy? have I been drinking too much Coffee? Tune in next week to find out!... While I'm on a ramble, as it were, Here's a true story (It happened to me today!) Hadn't checked my e-mail all morning.... I would choose 12:10 to check whether this PC I'm fixing can see the rest of the network. A Good Way to do that? - check my mail! See how many belle and sebastian letters I've got in the last 16 hours... But, unbeknownst to me... Karen (of IT) has rebooted the server, sending an e-mail warning that between 12:00 and 12:15 e-mail's a no-go area. But I haven't checked my mail today, so I can't get in. I don't know why. But then,when I decide to try again, after fiddling with the PC going "I'll soon fix that!" - _she's_ fixed it, so I can get in again. (I'm thinking - I didn't _do_ anything, and it's fixed?!?) and she sends an e-mail round telling everyone that we're "back up again" to sum up: I get an e-mail saying why I couldn't get e-mail, when I couldn't get e-mail... but then there's another e-mail saying that I can now get e-mail now that I can? I think I'm using e-mail too much! Enjoy the US gigs, all those that are going, and I missed my hiaku for Trous' Competition, so I'm adding one here... 404 File not Found. I ate your web page It was tasty and tart on my tongue As seen on our web server, until the boss found out ;-) (well, I was bored!) GREG'S STORY (untitled, I think) Lazy line painter Jane(1) put the book back on the shelf(2). She had planned to sleep the clock around(3), but unusually, she felt like seeing other people(4). Her book, A century of Elvis(5), was interesting, but after her dirty dream number two(6) of the night, she couldn't concentrate. Mary Jo(7), meanwhile was taking her kids to the theme park... These kids are all I have left, she thought. It could have been a brilliant career(8) she thought. But he had screwed up her life, there could be no arguing about that. They'd met when she was a young girl armed with just expectations(9) and talent. He had seemed perfect, like Dylan in the movies(10). He had never even cared about the simple things(11) like the ages of the children. 'Is it wicked not to care?'(12) she would ponder. One of the kids, Jamie, pulled at her leg. He was the youngest, seven and a half. He had a slow, ponderous way of talking, which she secretly admired. "Mummy" he said. "You know how you have cow milk and goat milk?". She nodded. "Can you have tiger milk?(13)" She laughed at his question. "You made me forget my dreams(14)" she laughed. "Of course you can." Then he ran off, buzzing like a mayfly (15) Jenny was nine and five foot already. She posed outside the entrance to the park. At her request, Mary took a photo. Jenny (16) was beautiful (17), in a way, but her height had her schoolfriends calling her "String Bean Jean"(18). Finally there was Otto, fourteen years old and walking sullenly along. He thought he was far too old to be here, he wanted to be with his girlfriend Seymour Stein(19). Mary had to promise him a go on the rollercoaster ride(20) to make him comply, even though she considered it far too dangerous. She was convinced Seymour was the wrong love(21) for him, but she didn't say so to him face. Trying to start a conversation, she asked him about his birthday. "Who was that band you like?" , she inquired. "Belle and Sebastion(22)" he replied, barely breaking out of his frown for a moment.Finally, Mary became annoyed. If your feeling sinister(23) she bellowed, "Go and wait for us by the roundabout!". Mary skulked off towards the ice cream stall, shouting a final "You're just a baby!"(24) to a defiant Otto. "She's losing it"(25) he muttered to himself. Jane had, in the end, also decided to go to the theme park. As she flittered from attraction to attraction, she spotted her old friend Mary, still dragging the 2 remaining kids around. "How's It going?" she cried across the square. Mary gave the kids money for a pizza and ran off to join her friend. Over a coffee, they discuused Mary's problems. "I just don't know what to do about the state I'm in"(26). "I don't love anyone"(27) replied Jane. "It solves most problems", she laughed. "I hope they bury me the day my wandering days are over."(28) When the bill arrived, they realised they'd payed 3.99 for 2 croissants. "La pastie de la Beorgoisie"(29) commented Jane. After that, Mary picked up Otto and gave Jane a lift back. The drove onto the M25, minutes before the warning of congestion came through on GLR. "London has let me down again"(30) sighed Mary. Jane was writing TRAFFIC JAM on a lamppost in a tippex pen. "I call it slow graffiti"(31), she announced proudly. In the back Jenny and Jamie were hatching a plan to take over the world. Jamie chuckled. "We rule the school(32) already" 32 eh? not chuffing bad Greg! And in a tradition (started by Keith yesterday) I'm going to end on a joke... Police arrested two kids yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks.... They charged one and let the other one off. I thank you, and Goodnight! Calumnous Calumn the Calm Calamnity. If it said anything down here it would be a sig, it doesn't so it isn't. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". 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Sinister: oops NYC Meetup Oct. 6 not 5
by Janine Papp 30 Sep '98

30 Sep '98

um, brad informs me that he is arriving TUES. not Monday so the meetup would be Oct. 6th - not Oct. 5th as stated in my last post. Queen Bee Janine trying to arrange the sinisterines in the new york city scene buzzed on caffeine +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Concert Strasbourg
by Nicole Pors-Guilbert 30 Sep '98

30 Sep '98

Salut ! URGENT.... Si quelqu'un habitant Strasboug ou ses environs est intéressé par 2 places de concert demain jeudi 1er octobre, je les offre gratuitement au premier qui répond à cet E-mail, avant 18H (ce n'est pas mon E-mail). Pour ce faire, j'ai besoin de vos coordonnées (noms, e-mail, n° de téléphone ou vous joindre). A vos clavier et à bientôt ! E-mail pour la réponse : pors(a)inrp.fr +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: New Boy
by Paul Field 30 Sep '98

30 Sep '98

Hi all, I'm new to this list - no slagging off please, I'm new to email too. Therefore, please forgive my ignorance if my observation has already been noted. To quote from Seymour Stein: "I heard dinner went well, You said you liked Chris' jacket He reminded you of Johnny Before he went electronic" Perchance a reference to Johnny Marr leaving the Smiths (great) and going to Electronic (poor)? I shall now leave you all to RIP. Paul. P.S. A BIG hello to all the London crowd - maybe see some of you soon, but not this Friday unfortunately as I can't make it. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Wicked ?
by Simon Ludlam 30 Sep '98

30 Sep '98

Is is wicked not to care what peoples favourite music lists are ? ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are released in confidence and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster(a)pindar.com http://www.pindar.com ********************************************************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Answers: NYC 21+!!!!!!!!!!
by sberkeley＠ccm.frontiercorp.com 30 Sep '98

30 Sep '98

Fyi: NYC is Sodom: I have never-ever-ever seen any establishment (club, bar, etc) ask for ID of anyone anywhere. I spent my highschool days in NYC since turning 15 and I sure looked it. Remember, this is a city where bars may be open anytime they wish and only must close 4 hours a day: any 4 hours! Worry about something else please... Good luck and regards, -Shamus +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: a rather tender pervert
by vlass＠interlog.com 30 Sep '98

30 Sep '98

hello, my dears.. there's a lovely article about scottish pop in Exclaim, the monthly canadian newspaper-y thing. of course there's tons of talk about the objects of our desire, as well as the pastels, bis, primal scream, mogwai and arab strap.. you can read it for yourself at: http://www.exclaim.ca but, let me give you a tiny excerpt (referring to Aidan from Arab Strap): "But talking to him you get the sense he's a rather tender pervert. Tender and rather shy, he says he's still recovering from hearing a copy of the new Belle and Sebastian album, The BOy with the Arab Strap, earlier in the week. It was the first time he heard lyrics to a song that is quite possibly talking about him. ""I'd heard the song live, but I couldn't understand what he was saying because sound-wise, they're quite terrible. I don't know who their soundman is, but he's not good. I guess I'm just hurt because he never told me about it. I don't think it was meant in a bad way, but I would have liked to have been told about that beforehand." " awwww. misunderstandings suck, don't they? i know because i was involved in far too many yesterday afternoon.. but sigh, that's another story! anyway IYFS is one of the "classic" scottish band albums, yay. a friend of mine saw a girl wearing a cranes t-shirt and chased her down the street. i wish i saw someone with a belle and sebastian shirt -- i would definetely chase them down the street... just got a felt tape in the mail, teri xxx uhhh, so what *is* happening before the toronto show? :) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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re: Sinister: IS IT TRUE?
by Anastasia Signoretta 30 Sep '98

30 Sep '98

hiya, if my memory serves me correctly... how cmj of cmj to make that comparison. lullaby for the working class are a band with a great name and not much else. 'country' is the best description i can put forth without sounding too harsh. i've only heard one or two of their songs, maybe it's not fair of me to be posting this...but the band was featured on a complilation put out by their label last year (the label? it was something creek something or other records, highly indie rock kind of thing) and i had to review the record for the radio station at my college...i didn't give a very favorable review. so i don't like lullaby for the working class, even though i thought i would because of their name. i don't consider a comparison to b+s a compliment to our beloved glaswegians. but some people don't know what they're writing about half the time. by the way...got a clipping at work today of the review in 'usa today' for 'arab strap'...called b+s 'paranoid.' bwhahaha. anyhow...i continue to nurse my cold...have pretty days and nights... stasia anastasia signoretta atlantic records international media relations 1290 avenue of the americas 24th floor new york, ny 10104 212.707.2619 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 'but how can i see stars if my feet are on the ground?' ride ------------- Original Text >From "Jason Brent" <jbrent(a)callisto.uwinnipeg.ca>, on 9/29/98 5:11 PM: Hello all. I was just reading the latest issue of CMJ, and the review they had of B&S. They compared them to a band I have never heard of called Lullaby For The Working Class. Can anyone shed some light on who this band is, and whether this is a worthy comparison. I'm wondering how such a great band (since they sound like B&S) slipped through my paws. Any insight would be greatly appreciated! Cheers JAY +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ t InetReceived: from gatekeeper.wmg.com by corp.wmg.com via 207.142.212.98 with SMTP-TCP; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:16:44 EDT InetReceived: from internalif.wmg.com ([207.142.212.97]) by gatekeeper.wmg.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA03055 for <Anastasia_Signoretta(a)wmg.com>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:05:35 -0400 (EDT) InetReceived: from envy.ph.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.72.168]) by internalif.wmg.com via smtpd (for gatekeeper.wmg.com [207.142.212.98]) with SMTP; 29 Sep 1998 19:12:21 UT InetReceived: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA20253; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:08:19 +0100 InetReceived: by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (bulk_mailer v1.9); Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:07:51 +0100 InetReceived: (from majordomo@localhost) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA20197 for sinister-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:07:43 +0100 InetReceived: from callisto.uwinnipeg.ca (root(a)callisto.uwinnipeg.ca [142.132.1.23]) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA20193 for <sinister-digest(a)majordomo.net>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:07:39 +0100 InetReceived: from callisto.uwinnipeg.ca (sdi4m15.uwinnipeg.ca [142.132.53.16]) by callisto.uwinnipeg.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27562 for <sinister-digest(a)majordomo.net>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:07:39 -0500 (CDT) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: Lullabye 4tWC
by Scott Turner 30 Sep '98

30 Sep '98

Lullabye for the Working Class are a GREAT band!!!!!!!!! relation to B&S? 1. Well, they don't have a P!O!P! bone in their collective bodies. So don't go buying their stuff thinking you're going to get lots of dreamy pop to whistle while you ride your bicycle on a sunny orange fall day. 2. Their instrumentation is really expansive. lots of american folk instruments and horns and violins and vibes, yada yada yada. 3. A fairer comparison: Imagine if the Tindersticks lived on a farm in a small town in nebraska. They are kindof alt-country, but not really. Their sound is far more mature and complex than most other no-depression stuff. 4. They are part of a midwestern collective of bands that pool money together and help each other out. 4. They are one of the best bands i've ever heard. .scott On 29 September at 21:11 GMT, Jason Brent <jbrent wrote: Hello all. I was just reading the latest issue of CMJ, and the review they had of B&S. They compared them to a band I have never heard of called Lullaby For The Working Class. Can anyone shed some light on who this band is, and whether this is a worthy comparison. I'm wondering how such a great band (since they sound like B&S) slipped through my paws. Any insight would be greatly appreciated! Cheers JAY +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Shine on Harvey Williams
by poetryplace2 30 Sep '98

30 Sep '98

Hey kids, rock and roll, nobody tells you where to go. I woke up this morning in a skip in Tufnel Park. If anybody has sightings of me since Saturday evening, I would be very grateful for any information. But to cut to the chase: this Friday, October 2nd Mr Harvey Williams will be performing at the Social at the Poetry Cafe. Some of you may be familiar with his previous work with The Fieldmice and Another Sunny Day, and, um, Harvey Williams. For new members of the list, the Social was set up as an excuse for a few of us on the list in London to have a bit of a larf on a Friday evening, it's a regular monthly thing. Entry will be £2. Doors open from 7ish, Harvey will go on at about 9pm. The address is 22 Betterton Street, London WC2H 9BU, near Covent Garden tube. Everyone is welcome. I promise to nurse a glass of Vimto all evening. Thankyou for all your sinister haiku, by the way. I am composing an update, which I'll post some time this week. Trousers +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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