December 1999 - Sinister

Sinister: on to business...
by Robyn Fadden 02 Dec '99

02 Dec '99

hello all, i am particularly fond of calling you sinisters of mercy - thank you erica, i believe, but also thank you leonard cohen, you sexy misogynist bastard genius - that's his wutang name, btw. right then, on to business. Protests and other things we should all be aware of b/c the shit is hitting the goddamn fan and there aren't enough migrant workers in the world to clean it up: - Protests are about awareness, about the cultivation of a critical mind. The WTO conference and protests are about more than world trade - they are about power and someone always coming out on top. *That's* capitalism. That is *not* democracy, it's not "sharing the wealth". I'm sorry to say that I didn't make it down to Seattle due to illness and I regret this, but I have heard many first-hand accounts in the past couple of days. These include peaceful protestors being shoved to the ground by police, all the while yelling in disbelief that what they learned in their civics classes is a lie. A personal wake up call becomes political, a little light makes its way into the consumeristic cocoon of the 90s. - Protests (today) have the power to pull people out of their apathy and recognize the current state of the world. Whether you think protestors are dirty hippies or violent idiots or peaceful academics or whatever, at least you're *thinking* about it, and wasn't that the point anyway? This WTO protest is sure to spur more reaction to trade organizations, business and government power, the growing gap btwn rich and poor, the sad state of the environment, etc. There may still be confusion about one's own personal opinion, but at least people might understand that they can and should have the right to a voice that is listened to. Ideally, if we give respect, we should get respect. A good value, but one that is gets lost rather easily it seems. For me, it's very difficult to adhere to one opinion; we are so used to being swayed by advertising, media, government opposition, all the arguments that each side has against the others. What happens when you grow up in this kind of environment? It seems to me that we are caught in paradox and irony, and this conflict can send some of us into clinical disturbance and depression. The answer here is to try to ignore these confusions, for sanity's sake. But then, this would be apathethic - apathy (and self-absorbtion) being high among the majority of the "youth" population (read under 35(?)) right now. It's nice to listen to music and watch movies and hang out with friends, but there are conversations that need to be happening - philosophy is not boring, getting down to earth is not boring (I don't need to tell this group that, but you are an exception to the attitudes of most people, and yes, I am aware of stereotyping, but stereotypes exist because they exist...) And once we start talking about what needs to be done, well, that's where change can begin, and grow out of what is currently happening. The corresponding actions become apparent with thought. The thing is too: What are we protecting/fighting for? What are we supposed to be unified for, if unity is possible? Free trade doesn't exist, the name is a joke, someone gets rich, someone gets poor trying to live up to an impossible affluence. I don't blame the States, I don't blame anybody - it's this strange state of the world right now, something grown out of many influences. I don't understand it, and it is frustrating. But I know things should be better than they are. United for things being better than they are. United at all. There's the rant, the speech from an idealist, thoughts that are still forming, etc. Just had to say something on the topic. *the opinions expressed in this email are the opinions of Robyn Fadden, and in no way have anything at all to do with anybody at all except for her as she lives in her own sphere, untouched by anything or anyone, cool as a fuckin' cucumber, nothing can phase her, sentiment is for the weak, long live solipsism, climb to the top, believe the illusion. ===== I was reading the dictionary. I thought it was a poem about everything. ~Steven Wright ~~~ Robyn Fadden rfadden(a)yahoo.com Vancouver, BC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: oh one more thing
by angela i hate my last name 02 Dec '99

02 Dec '99

i wanted to ask about the nick drake v.w. comercial, is that the one were they are driving around and its night time and they show up at the partay and then deside to leave and go driving into the night? if so then yes i love that one....didnt know who it was singing on it though...the triumphant looser & i happen to hate the nissan ad where they use "how soon is now" by the smiths in it....i hope v.w. doesnt go so far as to use a smith song in one of their ad's ,because one day i hope to own a consept one v.w. and i wouldnt want that floating in the back of my mind as i exspirance true auto-erotic pleasure, ok well thats enough from me now bye angela,needing a new friend in atlanta I.C.Q.#47995388 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: the world is as soft as lace
by angela i hate my last name 02 Dec '99

02 Dec '99

this quote i hope will prove to be true, i have been here(atlanta) since monday, so far it has been verry lonely, aside from speaking to my ex (my verry first boyfriend) hes a d.j. down here now.... other than him i need some new friends! i have been listening to the radio staion album 88, and since i have been sitting here i have heard sterolab,pulp, and hefner. no b&$ yet. mabey i will request a tune in a bit....sigh...i am afraid of this new world i am in now. ********************************************************************* on a happier note i was told by my dear zach last night in an instant message that i rock his world....WHEEEEEE! fun,fun,fun! any one have any good sugestions on how to make a shy boy come out of his shell and put his money where his mouth is?....he'll probably blush when he reads this...oh well my top 5 movie votes were 1 my own private idaho 2 wild at heart 3 niagra niagra 4 twin town.....you all must see this one if you havent allready 5 trainspotting ta-ta for now kids angela,needing a new friend in atlanta I.C.Q.#47995388 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: oops
by Nick.Dastoor＠guardian.co.uk 02 Dec '99

02 Dec '99

Sorry, that was meant to just go to Jason. Sorry. Yes, I've made it worse. Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Conclusive proof that Jason Andreas doesn't read my posts
by Nick.Dastoor＠guardian.co.uk 02 Dec '99

02 Dec '99

I sent this a few days ago: >>>>>>> Look what's on the band's website now: >>We recorded two songs for the TV programme 'The Apocalypse Tube', appearing alongside the likes of Paul McCartney and Robbie Williams. It has already been broadcast on Sky One, when they only showed one of the two songs we recorded, 'The Loneliness of a Middle Distance Runner'. The other song, 'Beyond the Sunrise', the makers assure us, will be shown when the programme is repeated on Channel 4 on 1st January- ie just after the bells at new year- at 1am, finishing 4am. I think it's being shown again on New Year's Day at around 6pm too. >> I am told this Beyond the Sunrise is an 'ambitious' number. What can this mean? Here's hoping it's code for 'full of Eastern promise', with sitars and everything. Nick xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: World trade? Give me Albert Square melons any day.
by Alan Singfield 02 Dec '99

02 Dec '99

[ For people not interested in WTO stuff, there's less heavy stuff at the bottom ] PROTESTERS I think that the concerns of the peaceful protesters are genuinely held, although this is only a gut feeling since the TV coverage has (predicably) covered the violence, rather than the actual message the protesters were trying to deliver. Unless (and this is where the real cynicism comes in) there is no real message, more a whining "We don't like global capitalism so we're not going to play - when's my next giro due?" Capitalism *can* be a force of global democracy; look at what the boycott of South African apples helped achieve in the 80s and early 90s. We don't need to force the World Trade Organization to ban the use of child labour in trainer manufacture, you can find out where your next pair of shoes were made and choose accordingly. Perhaps its a middle-class luxury to be able to do so; some people have to buy the cheapest trainers because they're the only ones they can afford. This is where the argument for global trade control comes in. But to take a pragmatic view, even if only those people who could comfortably afford to bought more ethical goods, the overall amount of suffering would decrease. VERBOSITY AND PRETENTIOUSNESS ARE LONG WORDS I'm not like this in real life you know. I only speak in words of less than one syllable. VIDEO To all of you people with those extra tv channels, I hope your eyes go square and I can get my video fixed for B&S's new year extravaganza. The tape sticks every few seconds for a minute or so; this meant that when I recorded Withnail & I I got the "Reduced Shakespeare Company" version. Laugh...? I nearly gassed myself. Lots of love to everyone on the list, you keep me just on the cusp of sanity. Spanners. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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by Colin Campbell 02 Dec '99

02 Dec '99

OK i just read what i sent before and it didn't entirely make sense , but i know what i meant and will explain to my therapist tomorrow, I'm sorry if i offended anyone. sort of colin. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: What would the community think?
by Brandt Fundak 02 Dec '99

02 Dec '99

THis doesn't have much to do with B & S, but given that this is a list that has people from all over the world on it and over 1k people, I just have to ask. What do all of you think of the goings on at the WTO talks in Seattle yesterday? What do those of you in nations that are not the US see on your news programs when they talk about the demonstrations? I'm just wondering, because I keep seeing the same pictures of cops in riot gear totally beating down and abusing the rights of peaceful protesters and then hear it being blamed on the people protesting. What do you guys see? Brandt +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Temporary spastic is writing....
by Jordi Trenzano 02 Dec '99

02 Dec '99

.... this last according to my name, but if I write Jordiet Sinistre, then I become an ULTRA-CRONIC MONSTAH !!! But letŽs check another 8 names..... Stuart Murdoch! = Officer Stinkah Isobel Campbell! = Embryonic Crusadah Stuart David! = Dubious Masturbatah-X Stevie Jackson! = Embryonic Crusadah Christopher thomas Geddes!= Womanly Panther Sarah Martin! = Asthmatic Enemy of God Richard Colburn!=Alarmingly-Named Wolfman Mick Cooke! =Dubious Masturbatah-X I donŽt even want to know the relation between Stu D and Mick, believe me. ThereŽs still more, just checking what happens if I write the name of some indie celebrities.... Sarah Cracknell! = Erratic Assassin Amelia Fletcher!= Big Gay Mule Darren Hayman! =Pre-Raphaelite Shaolin Neil Hannon!=Big Wicker Ventriloquist Jarvis Cocker! = Slumbering Pierrot and finally..... Stephen patrick Morrissey! = Spunky Misunderstood Genius Thanks to Marie and Mike for answering me at the Gear mag topic, and also thanks to Mr.Miller, for telling me that Hefner are on a spanish telly today. IŽm afraid that itŽs about 2.30 at night, which is not really suitable.... Bye Jordiet Sinistre (or ULTRA CRONIC MONSTAH !!) jordi(a)belleandsebastian.org ______________________________________________________________ For up-to-the-minute music news, reviews and specials visit http://www.nme.com Get free e-mail (anyname(a)nme.com) now at http://www.nmemail.com The sender of this e-mail is NOT an employee or associate of NME, nme.com or any other IPC magazine. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: The Hefner Report
by Brandt Fundak 02 Dec '99

02 Dec '99

I saw Hefner last night in Cleveland and even though nobody was there Hefner was fantastic. I guess it was Darren's birthday that day, and he was really talkative. Plus the music just rocked and they seemed to be really excited about playing Cleveland, even if there were only 30 people there. I got a free Hefner poster and some stickers too, so that rocked. I only got 4 hours of sleep because of the show, but I think those of you in Chicago had better not miss the gig tomorrow night. Brandt "While conservative presidential candidate Patrick Buchanan spoke out in support of the protests, a group calling itself `Vegan Dykes' marched topless next to electrical workers from California, farmers from the midwest and nursing students from British Columbia.(AP)" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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