March 1999 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V3 #73
by Montesory＠aol.com 06 Mar '99

06 Mar '99

In a message dated 99-03-06 06:35:06 EST, you write: << I was just wondering if any of you have made 'spring's resolutions'. I did. >> Yeah, I promised myself I wouldn't be so wasteful anymore so there I'm going to start using one cube of toilet paper to wipe my ass, blow my nose and dry the insides of my ears after I shower. JoeySLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: !
by PaperSun23＠aol.com 06 Mar '99

06 Mar '99

Not that this has anything to do with Belle and Sebastian but I have to spread the joy... for it is the mighty David Gilmour's birthday today! He is 53. Hug someone you know! a very cheery, Moon Patroller Carrie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: Books?
by vlass＠interlog.com 06 Mar '99

06 Mar '99

Giita asked: >I want to read a good book but my mind is blank and I don´t know any >books to read... Does anyone know a good auther/book? well, so happens that i asked this question to the list last march and after the overwhelming response, i compiled quite a list of sinister-recommended literature. if anyone is interested in the list email me and i'll forward it to you. if you have more book recommendations that you can't fit into your post (we don't want any "hi, read this book, bye!!!" posts, do we?) why don't you send it to me PRIVATELY (in caps like i'm supposed to!) and i'll update the list? let's say i'll take until next week for new submissions then i'll send you the new&improved list if you want it. gahh, it's snowing again here. teri xx i'm a self-indulgent twat: http://members.tripod.com/~meltingsnow/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Americans, Help!!
by Mew817＠aol.com 06 Mar '99

06 Mar '99

Hi everyone Ok, I'm a very sad bunny right now. I had been planning all week to watch the Brits on ABC Saturday night, well stupid WSB in Atlanta has Hard Copy and Live at the Apollo scheduled for the Brits time slot!! Is there anyone out there who will have access to watch the Brits? If so I was wondering if someone could tape it for me, or if someone is already planning on taping it, could I borrow the tape? I will think of something very nice to send you in return (although I don't have anything cool related to B&S, except maybe a photograph I took...) If anyone can help, please email me at Mew817(a)aol.com Thanks in advance. Love, mew x PS- I promise I will post something happy soon as I am very happy about the new sinister, I'm just having a touch of sadness and a big dose of disappointment right now... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Re: das capital
by Tim Hopkins 06 Mar '99

06 Mar '99

David, I hope you and Katrina don't see this list as something that just gives you a load of shite: that's the last thing I (and I suspect the great majority of listees) would want. This discussion is necessarly about wider issues: pop ethics and how to behave. It is my perception that people, listees, are worried about damage being done to a list which is a genuine and important part of their (our) lives. Naturally they are going to want to talk about it. I don't think anyone really cares who set the list up first, or who 'owns' it: the issue isn't about ownership or some kind of seniority, it's about community. Communities tend to react rather strongly when individuals take action which is *perceived* to threaten the wider group. The thing is that Jeepster seem to be confusing the relationship which most sinisterines have with the list and with Belle and Sebastian, which I think tends to be deeply personal amd emotional and based in communal feelings, with the relationship we have with a record company, which is a purchaser / vendor relationship, based in the world of small-scale venture capital. Your argument seems to be that people should lay off you because you work hard at your job. Or should that be because you provide a 'good service' on a commercial basis, or because what you do stands on its own merits as a self-justifying good? I have to say that of all the things I've seen over the past few weeks, the thing I've been most taken aback by was Jeepster folk suggesting that the meet ups and suchlike were part of your job of work. If all that was a *job* to you, that makes me feel a little sick. Speaking for myself, I don't feel that the relationship I have had with this community can be seen in the context of a service provided on a commercial basis. This isn't some kind of focus group. There is a perception around and about that the new list will damage sinister through dilution, through cross-posting, whatever. For myself, I think it will probably be alright, in so far as it will make it clear to all that Sinister is not an arm of Jeepster, and things will be simpler. But you seem to be putting yourself in the position of a shop saying 'you might not like the service but it's been a good service up till now so you can't really complain'. Trouble is, sinister is not a service, it's a set of relationships and, as I understand it, some feel that the process of setting up another list is some sort of disloyalty. One doesn't expect loyalty from a shop. One does expect it from friends and fellow members of a community. I should repeat that I am not suggesting that setting up a 'rival' list was an act of disloyalty, but reading the reaction on the sinister list, it seems to have been perceived that way. Jeepster is a good record company (by this I mean it is a record company which releases records by a band I like and seems to give them a high degree of artistic freedom...)but it is fundamentally a record company and we can't be surprised when it behaves like the branch of small business capitalism that it undeniably is. Which means disregarding loyalty and community in search of the greater goal: the bottom line. A classic example is that David effectively said that Jeepster couldn't afford to allow the B&S list to be an arrangement which Jeepster could not control, was not accountable to them and so alternative arrangements had to be made. Fine, but (I repeat) that I believe the people on sinister do not perceive the list as a service, and do not have the same vested interest as you do if the service goes away for a few days. It's not a matter of being uninformed about the news if the list goes down, it's more like being isolated from your mates. I (for one)don't want that relationship confused with marketing. And maybe people are unhappy because setting up a second list seemed to suggest that someone at Jeepster didn't understand the difference. I also have to say that, if communicating with sinister people was the priority, then unsubbing the news list from sinister was a very strange thing to do. One last thing (and I know I'm going on): please don't take these conversations personally. It is not unreasonable to criticise a record company from the point of view of a fan. If I do that, it doesn't necessarily mean I'm criticising you personally. If I (or whoever) disagree in public with your position, that doesn't mean I'm having a go at you or giving you shite. Looking through the sinister archives, I see a fair number of messages slagging the idea of a new list (and some for the new list) but none slagging anyone on a personal basis. If it's impossible to slag off Jeepster (or the way Jeepster behaves) without someone at Jeepster taking umbrage, then there are naturally going to be bad feelings thrown up. For the record, I like everyone I have met from Jeepster very much, you all seem to work very hard and care deeply about what you do. That surely doesn't mean I have to shut up when I disagree with what Jeepster (as a corporate entity) does. My fear is that, in this instance, the difference between bathwater and baby may be passing someone by. regards Tim ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: brits in u.s.
by TheeXVirus＠aol.com 05 Mar '99

05 Mar '99

someone said something a while back about the show being broadcast in the states somewhere and i wrote it down so i'd remember so it makes sense that i lost the paper i wrote on and... does anyone know the date/time/channel? thanks. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Goldfish Bowlie
by David Moore 05 Mar '99

05 Mar '99

Hi Pop Tarts, I am in absolute awe of Mrs Murdoch, who bestrides this list like a Colossus. (And just in case you might think she's too almighty, she makes a little gender slip in the parable's fifth paragraph, so as to let us all know she's human after all.) Whilst re-reading her cautionary tale of vaulting ambition I was reminded of one of the proverbs from her earlier Confucian period: He who f**ks with honey will come to a sticky end. B&S? 1)My soul now in hock to Ticketweb, having forked out for tickets for the Weekender, Looper & The Gentle Waves recently. I beg forgiveness of anyone finding me shivering on a streetcorner - just trying to pay off the Mastercard. 2)Thanks & regards to Mr Kitchen for lengthy double list explanation/justification: I too hope for peaceful co-existence. Love to all, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Dusty, r.i.p.
by bkim0＠dept.english.upenn.edu 05 Mar '99

05 Mar '99

Sorry if this has been mentioned...though I tried to look at the subject headings for recent messages and didn't see anything too obvious. Anyway, I just wanted to take a moment and say that Dusty Springfield will be missed--an amazing voice put to some of the best songs this last half of the century has known, from "I Only Want To Be With You" right on up through "What Have I Done To Deserve This?". I'll be watching the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductions to see what they do with her--maybe Aretha will sing something in tribute. Apparently she declined to record "Son of a Preacher Man" after hearing Dusty's version. Don't know if she's recorded it since but I'm sure she's performed it. Anyway. Respect for the great White Negress, who died too young at 59. Fun fact: one of the co-writers of "I Only Want To Be With You" is the father of Simon Raymonde of the Cocteau Twins. Xavier -- BXK M o t h e r , M a y bkim0(a)dept.english.upenn.edu I S l e e p http://www.english.upenn.edu/~bkim0 W i t h D a n g e r ? X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X---X +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: factionalism is not sinister
by Emanuel Brown 05 Mar '99

05 Mar '99

dearest listees i am troubled by all of this list competition nonsense, finding the discussion divisive and inopportune at best. first off, big thanks to honey for restoring the list and for generally doing a helluva job. cheers babe! secondly, i want to congratulate not only jeepster for their brit stunner, but to all of us who contributed to it. we rock! we all know how good belle&sebastian are, its nice that we can express that to the rest of the world in a more tangible form. indie bands and labels have a tough row to hoe and i, for one, think jeepster has been smart in its use of the web for commerce and promotion. which, ultimately brings me to my original point. i agree wholeheartedly with both honey and david on the "sinister diss" non-issue. c'mon kids, don't be so myopic! let jeepster do what they need to do and let sinister continue to be the fan's fan-forum. jeepster did nothing wrong other than jump the gun a bit but think about it, they would be total idiots to ostracize the very foundation of their success - the fans. still to think that things will be the same after this very public award is truly naive. we've turned the proverbial corner and it will only get weirder from here. let the games begin... so there! *nyah* emanuel x o x o Free, fast e-mail accessible anytime, anywhere http://www.imaginemail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Looper + Brit Awards Tape
by Graeme Crosbie 05 Mar '99

05 Mar '99

I've heard more than half of the Looper album now and it sounds great. NME gave it a spanky 8/10 (same as they gave TBWTAS). I taped the Brits interview on Radio 1 (Mick and Richard), the Evening Session phone call to Richard and the Looper interview on Beat Patrol if anyone wants a copy and has anything decent to trade send me a mail. Oh aye, I'm going to see Looper in Glasgow as well... and Subpop say they might be re-releasing the first single soon. Seeya Graeme graeme(a)cheeso.freeserve.co.uk (oh, and thanks to Honey for the very friendly tips) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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