March 1999 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: Where is my frame?
by Arantxa Sanz 05 Mar '99

05 Mar '99

Following Caleb and Stephane's "steps" (take it as italics,be so kind, please...),I am going to rescue an old idea of mine I never put in practise. In the need of having some badge/t-shirt to be identified as a Sinister member when turning up Camber Sands, I am going to embroider by hand (cross-stitch, to be exact)my very personal t-shirt, but I haven't decdided which should say...All suggestions welcome. Borrowing Caleb's wit , what about : 'Camber Sands.First step'.But it doesn't mention Sinister, no, no, we need some password.Something that when people see me with my handcraft t-shirt ,it will let them know without doubt I am one of them. Fluffy, some Spanish especially for you (oh,no,quoting Waterman!): The original title of 'Dogmagnan ...etc,etc' is 'Dartacan y los tres mosqueperros'.It was made in Spain , one of my parents' neighbours was one of the animators working on it,by the way.So they were obviously different people. Really annoyed with Ticketweb.I am sure I am alone in my struggle and thousand souls support me in the darkness.The force is with me and I will pick up those f****** tickets somehow.Dartacan, where are you? Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: bowlie weekender fun, and a strange happening next week
by david kitchen - jeepster 05 Mar '99

05 Mar '99

BBC Radio 1 are making a documentary about the Bowlie Weekender (which is due to be broadcast on the Monday evening after it all takes place). As well as interviewing bands and harassing Bluecoats, they want to find a chalet full of bright young things who wouldn't object to a Radio 1 reporter following them around at various stages of the weekend, and capturing a few magic moments on tape - the laughter, the tears, the vomiting, etc... and everything that you thought was special and not so special about the weekend. Ideally you'll be an evenly mixed chalet of girls and boys (in the interests of sexual equality), preferably HUGE B&S & indie fans, and be well up for talking endlessly on the radio! If you're interested please e-mail them and they'll take it from there: james.finlayson(a)bbc.co.uk with the subject line of: bowlie weekender if you don't put that as the subject line it'll not be filtered into the right folder and your dreams may be lost! or if you're at the B&S fan night at the Paradise Bar next Thurs (see below) - james from Radio 1 will be down there and is happy to talk more about what they're trying to do! -- secondly a reminder to B&S fans in and round London that next week on Thursday 11th a few fans have put together a wee B&S disco/club/convention in New Cross. entitled '200 troubled teenagers', the flyer states that it is 'an evening dedicated to the scottish group Belle & Sebastian. featuring music from all their EP's and LP's - including Tigermilk and related records.'. their will also be a music from the records of The Pastels, Nick Drake, Stereolab, Scott Walker, Francoise Hardy, Momus, The Pale Fountains, et al. the event will be at the Paradise Bar at 460 New Cross Road in London SE14 from 9pm until 2am. it's £3 to get in, or £2 with a UB40, NUS card or B&S badge/shirt. it's about two minutes walk from New Cross tube and rail station or catch the bus (53, 36, 21, 177). most of us will be there, as will james from radio 1, so if you can make it that'll be really cool. cheers david ----------------------------------------------------------------------- david kitchen : jeepster recordings ltd http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ mailto:shop@jeepster.co.uk jeepster recordings ltd, 217 canalot, 222 kensal road, london w10 5bn to subscribe to the news mailing list mail majordomo(a)jeepster.co.uk with the words 'subscribe news' in the body of the message +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Keep the faith.
by Neil Dewhurst 05 Mar '99

05 Mar '99

David is not a bad man. Jeepster are not a criminal corporate fat-cat label. I like them. They signed Belle & Sebastian. They signed all their other bands. They like the Internet. They like us. They, like us, want success for Belle & Sebastian, and, given that Jeepster is not a fat cat label it has to do all it can to market and promote without having to advertise in the break when coronation street is on. If Jeepster suddenly started charging a premium for Belle & Sebastian albums, what would we all do? I would buy the album at twice the price, I know that much, and anyone else who would buy it would be showing their support for something they believe in and want to keep going for as long as possible. Basically, having another list shouldn't change anything on this list. Why would it? If no-one leaves this list to join it, then all's well, as other people will no doubt join it. If people from this list join it, it would become more like this list, until eventually Honey would be asked to run it, at which point we could all act rather smug and talk about solidarity and stuff like that. Of course, I have no right to preach on this topic, but at the same time I have every right. Kind of a paradox, I guess. Neil Xxx "Sad songs are easier to play, I'm afraid" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: I know my wandering days are over
by ana simic 05 Mar '99

05 Mar '99

I was just wondering if any of you have made 'spring's resolutions'. I did. And I can proudly say that two of them can already be considered done!! (..no, I haven't lost any weight yet...) By the way, I got my lip-piercing out today. And nobody has noticed it yet....weird, I thought, it was kind of _in the way_. Well, I'm off to PANIC party tonight and I wish you all a nice and pleasant Friday night. pop on, people!!! luv *Ana* P.S. For those of you who haven't sensed spring yet, I advice to refer to Catatonia's ...'you don't need the sunshine, you don't need the good times'...and start thinking about it..*smiles* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: I know my wandering days are over
by ana simic 05 Mar '99

05 Mar '99

I was just wondering if any of you have made 'spring's resolutions'. I did. And I can proudly say that two of them can already be considered done!! (..no, I haven't lost any weight yet...) By the way, I got my lip-piercing out today. And nobody has noticed it yet....weird, I thought, it was kind of _in the way_. Well, I'm off to PANIC party tonight and I wish you all a nice and pleasant Friday night. pop on, people!!! luv *Ana* P.S. For those of you who haven't sensed spring yet, I advice to refer to Catatonia's ...'you don't need the sunshine, you don't need the good times'...and start thinking about it..*smiles* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: (no subject)
by david kitchen - jeepster 05 Mar '99

05 Mar '99

hmmm, through lots of speculation and rumour (none of which people will actually raise with us) i feel it's about time that i put across some of jeepster's ideas on why there is now a second list, and why i feel that this is compatible with existing alongside the original list. to do this though, well it requires an almost essay sized e-mail. so if you're not willing to read much, simply click delete now and be spared the twaddle :) -- "we won a brit, so why have you set up your own list and betrayed us?" well, you're right we did win a brit. and down here at jeepster central we are bloody thankful for it and wanted to say thank you in a big way, but we had had to go through a load of shite defending the win from the press and that changed it. we were even going to send a small box of chocolates to everyone on the list as a way of saying thank you, but in light of the whole press kaboodle, anything like that would now appear to be a belated bribe, which doesn't help anyone. so with regret we're unable to do this even though we had even got to the stage of asking honey for his aid to compile everyone's details so that we could send them to you. we wanted so much to explain what it meant to the band to win and relay some of the incredible anecdotes of the events in glasgow and the celebratory tone of the bands families and friends. but, sinister was gone. it left us feeling a bit lost. it was as if a mother had been robbed of it's child, there was no way to contact you, the fans, to express our love of you and to tell you how jeepster and the band were feeling about the win and carrying-on. in talking to honey on the monday after the brits, whilst sinister had problems, he stated clearly that he was looking for a new home for sinister. i had offered him the use of the jeepster majordomo late last year when the list was offline for a similar reason, but he declined, stating that the independence of the list was too important for the list identity, which is a fair point, so on this occasion we were unable to help him, except to give him occasional calls to let him know if we had heard anything. but, at a time when we needed you the most in light of all industry flak and our need to celebrate the win with the fans, and when we had so much to tell you, we were at a loss because the list we all relied on was offline and there was nothing we could do to solve it. this was the first thing that raised the question of should jeepster set up it's own list. -- "yeah, but why?" this goes a bit further than just b&s, it also reaches the other bands on our label. we have created uniform resources for all of the bands and wanted the other bands to benefit from mailing lists as much as belle and sebastian have. and since the snow patrol site will soon be handed over to a fan to run it seemed sensible to help him and create some of the resources in advance. so the idea of starting lists with our already available majordomo was obvious. but the question was raised of what would this mean for sinister. although the plan is simple enough, to provide each band with, in time, it's own list at a single location, the implementation is obviously a little bit different from that. we started by simply setting up the snow patrol and salako lists, and it seemed obvious that as we simply didn't know when sinister was going to be back online, that the start of a belleandsebastian list would not offend too much as it would grant the opportunity for everyone to talk again. it was only the day or two after the list went on-line that honey rang up and said that he had solved the problems for sinister and that he was offended by the corporate direction jeepster was taking in setting up a second list. -- now, we know that a second list appears to have deeply offended a few of you, whilst leaving even more bemused. but let's be a little more open-minded for a moment, jeepster set up the new list as part of a move to give all of our bands the same resources without relying on outside bodies which may not be reliable in times of stress. we did this to help us stay in contact with you at a time when it appeared that everyone was against us (us being the fans, band and label in light of the cheating allegations). now, the jeepster list (belleandsebastian(a)jeepster.co.uk) is not meant as a threat to sinister (sinister(a)majordomo.net) indeed i believe both will happily co-exist. sinister will still fulfil it's role fully and offer a great service to the fans by being an independent list free from band and label input which has evolved into a community of good people. the jeepster list i envision will help reduce the burden on sinister by being a first stop mailing list (which i don't personally believe will be as high in quality as the sinister list) but will allow jeepster to have an accountable method of permanently contacting the fans without using the news list and will most likely develop into a pre-sinister list. the mature and intelligent method of sinister and the posts that appear on it is not something that is likely to change in any way. The jeepster list could probably be viewed as the smaller sister of sinister and would be more teen-like in it's chat and discussion. the only thing that jeepster wanted when we set up all of these lists for salako, snow patrol and belle and sebastian was a permanently open channel by which we could communicate with the fans of each band without relying on outside parties who are not accountable to us for up-time and availability of the list and that channel of communication. i personally still do not believe this to be the 'crime to fans' as some have implied, it's been set up as a service and what you make of it is your own affair. we have tried to continue to give as much as we can for you. but we do feel very strongly that we have the right to control whether our lines of communication with you are open or closed, and I promise now that jeepster will do what it can to keep the jeepster lists permanently open in line with this. if anyone feels still that our motives are wrong, that we've sold out or anything, then feel free to mail me rather than gossip or slander elsewhere. -- on other issues, a few facts: 1- we are bloody thankful for all the support everyone has given the band and jeepster throughout the brits shambles, it means a hell of a lot, and has helped us all get through whilst ignoring what's being said. 2- jeepster are not suddenly rich because of the brit awards. The reported five-fold increase in sales is rubbish. if it were true it would have placed us in the top 30 on the UK chart, we're number 67!! and as regards the two messages i've received saying that congrats on the brits and the evidence that we're loaded can already be seen by the fact that we've bought the www.belleandsebastian.co.uk domain, well that's rubbish too. we bought the domain because the jeepster site was too busy and we get charged excess fees when it's gets too busy, and we simply worked out that the cost of the excess charges was more than the cost of getting a second account, and the second account would distribute the load which then means we don't get charged the excess. it's not that hard to do the maths, we bought the domain because it saves us money, and we're still looking at ways in which we can save, as all indies do. 3- we haven't attempted to alienate any of you, nothing could be further from the truth, what we've done is to try and not alienate you in times of trouble, but it doesn't help to have everyone over-react and not actually ask us what's going on :) 4- i've created a webpage for the bowlie fest, if anyone hasn't yet seen it, you can get to it via the belle and sebastian site or directly by going to http://www.jeepster.co.uk/bowlie/ i hope this message has helped clarify the things on a few people's mind, no doubt a few of you will harbour whatever conclusions you've already reached, but listen now, we've not changed, the band have not changed, no-one is try to alienate anyone or split any community, we're all going to carry on as we have done and continue to help the band and love their music, if you disagree with this, then i'm sorry for that, but there is no room for the indie-schmindie, if you love the music, then you should want the best for the band. cheers david PS: just in case anyone wants to quote me, this message reflects my views and only in part some of jeepster, primarily they should be contributed to me if anyone wants to bring me up on them, but i really wish you wouldn't, we've been defending ourselves against press and rumour for two weeks, we hardly want to start defending ourselves against fans, but then, it looks like that's already happening doesn't it? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: postcards to mother
by Jygsaw18＠aol.com 05 Mar '99

05 Mar '99

thanks everyone for your concern for me mother.. she does feel much better, and is actually moving about.. I think we all had a good scare, mostly. love, dave +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: nickelodeon cartoons
by Jygsaw18＠aol.com 05 Mar '99

05 Mar '99

In a message dated 3/5/99 9:55:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, katfood(a)telepath.com writes: << i remember watching belle and sebastian every morning before being taken to school. however, i think my favorite show was "today's special". the one with jodi, the manequin jeff, the foam security gaurd sam, the mice, and others......anyone remember this show? >> Yes. I clearly recall the episode where the heat was cut off, and they sang songs about thinking warm to maintain critical body temperature... but sam couldn't carry a tune, so they died of exposure. at least I like to think it happened that way. Today's Special was the show that my sister always wanted to watch.. that and Pinwheel. Ugh. I preferred the existentialist oddities that were foreign cartoons.. The Little Prince and Sebastian were both shrouded in ambiguity. Much like a cartoon version of the Fugitive, you were (fairly) certain that they'd survive each episode, but what would be the final outcome? Would they find their own planet/father/city of gold? Perhaps. Or perhaps not.. One never knew. The only thing that could be done was to keep travelling, and eye all shrubs as if they might be baobob trees in disguise dave +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: red roses for me
by Steve Genge 05 Mar '99

05 Mar '99

It's had a bit of a face-lift! No new content, but a brave new look for the Red Roses for Me web pages. Take a look and tell us what you think. among the pages are bits and pieces about: Looper (review of the new album) Black Box Recorder Belle & Sebastian (plus live pics) Lucksmiths (plus live review/pics) Pernice Brothers Mercury Rev But there's more! Visit us at the link below. And sign the guestbook please. Reading your comments will distract me from 4 channels of miserable daytime TV. Watching Pet Rescue twice daily should be prohibited by law... Red Roses For Me Fanzine http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Cabaret/9043 On another note, all the banter lately about the virtues (or lack thereof) of a separate Jeepster list has made me think more about how important the Sinister list has been to me in the past year and a half. Never underestimate the power of Sinister, I say. You might end up with a slew of new friends, living an ocean away from home, even engaged to someone you've met via the list, like me. You just never know... beginning to pack her suitcase for her trip back home next Tuesday, Amanda x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: an american in london.
by Marie Elia 05 Mar '99

05 Mar '99

good morning, sinisterites... mick mcmick was asking about the cover of neworder's bluemonday, and whether it was marilynmanson... it is a band called orgy. i don't know any of their other stuff, but i remember i was watching 120 minutes (the same night i saw the Wicked video!) and i saw the video for orgy's bluemonday... it was funny, full of boys wearing leather pants and lots of eyemakeup ... it was sort of electric 80's-ness, despite the angsty twist on the performance... i kind of like this version of the song. i've been playing it on my radio show, but mostly because i Have to play something from the metal/hardrock rotation, and it's better than korn... an aside, i named my radio show "records out of postcard messages".... anyway, while i am sadly not attending the bowlie weekender, i have secured tix to the march 24th looper gig in london -- is anyone else going? i was surprised that i still got tix yesterday -- i thought they'd be sold out. i'll be in london for the week... someone mentioned being in glasgow at 6:30 in the morning after his flight arrived, with nothing to do... this will be happening with me, too, as our flight to london lands march 21, sunday, 6am! i'm thinking, breakfast at gatwick! only rather than waiting to check into a hotel, we three girls (my travelling companions and i) will be wandering the streets of london looking for a cheap hostel. possibly sleeping at bus stops.... hmmm, this has no b&s content... well, looper is tangential, i suppose. i ought to end this now, and spare you all.... take care, xoxo, marie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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