August 2000 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: He could lick 'em by smiling
by Alasdair Cook MC1996 01 Aug '00

01 Aug '00

Sleep is the thief of time, Steven. Why then, do I sleep all day, yet still find the time to write such rubbish? And why do I still feel tired? Questions without answers are like sheep without pastures. Confusion reigns supreme. But on to the matter in hand. Specifically, the following quote: "Ignorance and spiders should always be given a second chance in Pop". Who said that? Many of you will not know, but in fact it was Lou Reed, in my dream the other night. So what did he mean? Well, ignorance is bliss, so they (whoever *they* may, or indeed, may not be) say. Being an ignoramous of the highest order myself, I live in a state of perpetual happiness of course. Which makes me entirely miserable. Which reminds me of my argument for the non-existence of Heaven (and therefore God?), but that's another espousing for another time, and, possibly, place. And if Heaven never existed, at least Heavenly did. But why relate ignorance to pop music? Many pop stars have shown misjudgement at one time or another, but is this ignorance or merely lapse? Opinions to the usual address. Now on to spiders. Spiders, it might be said, get a "raw deal". Feared by many, reared by few, they have been mistaken for insects on many occasions. This annoys them greatly, so I'm told. But remember folks, they're more scared of you. But spiders in pop? The Spiders From Mars are the obvious example, but what became of them once Ziggy bit the proverbial dust? Did they return to their home planet? The facts would seem to suggest no, for no traces of any Spiders were found by the Pathfinder missions. Although they could be adept at hiding... No, far more likely that they found a new planet to settle on, one where glam rock had yet to be invented, and they would be hailed as pioneering visionaries. Every spiders's dream. Perhaps they are out there today, wowing interstellar audiences with the riff from "Devilgate Drive". I'm almost wiping the tears from my eyes. Almost. Alasdair xx PS 'Spiders' was also an album by Space, if memory serves. Told you they got a raw deal. PPS It's a simile. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Looper NME
by Peter Miller 01 Aug '00

01 Aug '00

Alarmingly positive review of Looper at: http://www.nme.com/reviews/reviews/20000731132314.html for those who are interested. Has Trousers joined The Economist? All of a sudden there are articles about J-Pop and Hello Kitty and lots of sly music references in the photo captions and amusing headlines. Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: la meet up planned!
by Jennifer Hjelm 01 Aug '00

01 Aug '00

hello all you fine folks! i haven't posted in ages because well i haven't had anything interesting to add to the conversations. just been a lurker i reckon. well i did want to let those who live in the la area to know that many of us have planned to meet up after the dandy warhols show on wed at canters restaurant on fairfax. we haven't had a proper meet up since the looper show last year so this will be a good chance to say hello to each other and eat some yummy food. if you want to know more about it, you can e-mail me at belle1974(a)yahoo.com or read the meet up board on the jeepster site! :o) cheers! jennifer juniper __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: House of Love.....
by Jacob Laurent 01 Aug '00

01 Aug '00

>All those who liked the house of Love say Aye! > aye! i saw house of love open for peter murphy's deep tour in august of 1990. if i recall, 'the beatles & the stones ' was their best song then. i haven't heard anything from them since though. what are they doin'? curious, jacob ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: we have heaven
by adam apparatus 01 Aug '00

01 Aug '00

as i write this, i am listening to that antithesis of sinister: prog rock! yes, my pop old Yes album, Fragile. i admit it, i was nuts for yes in middle school. i actually own this album on cassette (before i even got a cd player, imagine that!) oh dear, it's so embarassing. i can say though, that before yes got all fey and floaty they were rockin', yeah, punk stylie. ok, not quite, but still. this is still a pretty good album. and who can forget that incredible year when jon anderson quit and the buggles joined the band, giving us such gems as "machine messiah" and "tempus fugit"? ahh... yes, i am proud to admit it... i saw yes at jones beach here on long island... they were old and fat, except for the new boys they had grafted on who were just tykes. it wasn't until years later than i learned yes was a "stoner band"... all my youthful love and idealism broken in a single swoop! ah... so that was my "yes post". wait later for my "i need a friend post" quickly followed by my "cry for help post", all of which culminates tragically in my three-hour long song cycle entitled "songs of death and rebirth", subtitled, "an interactive traipse". thank you. - adam aconover(a)optonline.net Tempus Fugit is at: http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~conover/tempus/main.html +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: on being new to submission and the dominant culture
by brad ! 01 Aug '00

01 Aug '00

>we are, to one extent or another, following "the left hand path"/"feeling >sinister" i don't know about all of you, but i personally "feel sinister" about three times a day. five on weekends and holidays. but i do it with the right hand. i'm a walking contradiction. i quite liked this post that i'm replying to and that i can't remember the author's name of. but at the same time, while i was reading it, i had this strange desire to twirl my finger around my ear and go "cuckoo!".....and i probably woulda if someone had been here to witness it, but since i was alone, i decided to store that needed energy for next time i decide to "feel sinister" that television show "big brother" really sucks, doesn't it? -brad ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Under more cars than there are Ls in British Leyland
by P F 01 Aug '00

01 Aug '00

This list has fair exploded into a forest fire of action in the last week or so. Heck, I was close to excited. I'd like to respond to all that fascination, but first I want to tell you some old, and ageing, news. It's a tiny vignette about how Stephie T met one of his heroes, and I was lucky enough to be in the wings. Not in Wings, mind. That would have been *really* lucky. For those who don't remember Stephie, his last mail to sinister was something about sabre-toothed tigers and the toothlessness of Emile Heskey. It moved me at the time. I ended up in South Norwood. When I said 'forest fire', by the way, it was just a simple metaphor. London went off, swinging. Clubbing kids crashed by a street with no name, looking for Duran Duran's Pop Trash. I think that's what they said. Sainsbury's were flogging produce like there was no today; and there barely was. The hour passed nine, like a referee without a rag. It was as hot as July, 2000 - that much was hard to contradict. Stephie, he hit the scene by accident - he took a wrong turn in Covent Garden and found himself tumbling down the stairs. Angels. It was a matter of life and deaf. Me, I was loitering without rent, trying to phone a friend in Oxford Street, wearing woolly things, throwing bread. Don't doubt me, ask the bouncer; the one who told me, when I asked what kind of club night it was, just to be on the safe side, that it wasn't a club. Not much, though, will throw me; and I only threw the bread to evade its advancing staleness. As 9:30 approached I felt my gameboyplan was all wrong. I'd better handle this one from the inside. Breadless, heedless, I passed our friend ('my friend', he'd called me) on the door and descended for a bottle of milk. No, it wasn't milk, as it turned out. Down in the depths the heat was almost quietening. The crowds were nugatory, a thing of the future. The walls were like lava, drifting red and orange shapes, colours of flame. The electric bills were, yes, staggering. Seats floated like glutinous magma - yes, contradictorily. Pop fans and players let me join them. The generosity was all theirs. I pulled out a camera and watched it flail. I bought that bottle, had it poured into a glass, paid £13. That wasn't part of the plan. Believe me, kids, it wasn't a large bottle; and it was a smaller glass. But money was a dead sign here, a signal of that other world where the filed things are. Those popsters, anyway; they were joined by a piano player who was rumoured to be into Soft Rock. He'd brought no piano, just tales of the past: of the 70s, weirdly, of machines that played music on 8 'tracks'. They took a Cadillac battery to run, back on the highway, wind in your hair. He glanced at his hair. They assented, about the 8 'track' things, not the hair. Unlike Andy Bell in 1992, I was fazed. They were surprisingly unsurprised at my usual bemusement, without which the night wouldn't be itself. It was fun, I was gratified by their welcoming incomprehensible talk. At this point Stephie tumbled in, looking for soul food and a place to speak. His feet were happy, his hands rubbing along OK. I found myself back at the bar, talking to a couple of Americans. They wanted me to get them a T-shirt by which to remember the bar. I tried and I failed. They must settle for a matchbook or two. We were whirled and whisked like eggs to a corner, where I found myself looking straight at the one who was the ringleader. His labrador eyes plunged back into mine. An intrepid journalist came by and told me who the friendly Yanks were. I started to attempt reconstructing the significance of it all, as words trickled. The boss man was stevie the magnetic fields. He was in town to inspect the QEII, it seemed. He was playing live at a festival organized by Womack and Womack. Stephie T crashed in beside me like a Charlatans lyric. I sensed strange feelings, magical powers, emanate between the pair. Perhaps mututal respect began to flow. I tried to speak. - What's it like to play live? A cavernous dolour erupted from stevie the tobacco flans' mouth. - its about as easy as playing dead. The question, it was true, had been about as dumb as pop. I tried dumber. - Do you find anything worth seeing in London? Languidly he turned his wraithlike body and swept an arm around the room. Drinks clattered from tables, metres away. - decor. I wasn't into the lava thing myself, but best not to argue. These Chryslers could be packing heat. Somewhere a piano player spun a disc by Foreigner. I left Stephie T to pick up the threads which were laddering around us. - Do you think Brian Eno's a genius? stevie the testament filters the warp diaries raised his eyelashes. Planets crashed. - why yes, he uttered, the two words bearing meaning enough for ten. i based my early career on his record taking tiger mountain. Stephie saw an opening. He wanted to make connections. - Do you think Morrissey's a genius? A voice rumbled from within stevie the dimanche people. - of course i think him a genius i naturally find it obscene he is currently unrewarded with a contract for all he has recorded save only in hindustan or was it taiwan? Stephie grabbed a matchbook and started taking notes. The noise seemed to continue. - i caught a ladybug in a jar and killed it just for you thats why im drinking vodka in this awful bar in timbuktu. Somewhere we heard other words, rhymes too, drifting over, in counterpoint. - Well, you've gotta be crazy, baby To want a guy like me I asked stevie the glass melangeurs if I could take a photo of him. He waved a wrist in assent. The flash was summer lightning. He took the camera and gave me the same treatment. He raised a brow. - i have just noticed the colour of your sweater. its very interesting. very eighties. - Actually, I interjected, like a fool, we call them 'jumpers' over here. He gazed back at me unblinking. - jumper, sweater, its the same thing. cest la meme chose. Pause. - cest la meme chose as they say in alberquerque my best friend knows that i love her like a chicken loves a turkey He paused again. World passed through fields in space. - i like the cut. Cor - that was nice of him. To single out the cut of my jumper for special praise. I wasn't quite sure what he meant by it. I'd better check. - You like the cut of my jumper? He gazed at me disbelieving. Somewhere nand played 'sonic primrose'. - no. i was saying that i like the cut. its a music magazine that was produced in scotland in the late eighties. it featured pat kane, discussing the head bumps of muriel gray. they reviewed the first stone roses record in april nineteeneightynine, and gave it eight out of ten. His eyes drifted sideways, as though in a reverie. Again a low drone issued. - impossible that i should have known or you should have a clue that things would never be the same when we were dancing in july to the mid-period music of the brothers kane Stephie T could see that I was struggling. He tried to haul the keel back into shape. - Mr Jacobite Screenprinters, he asked, after what you said about Eno and Morrissey, I was wondering if you were ever a fan of the House of Love? stevie the low drama princes seemed to smile a dark lugubrious smile's corner. - its so silly it isnt really even tragic but darling you know how time flies swimming in your lonely eyes and everything is magic its true im blue ill never quite be thru with the dames names and the flawed chords purveyed by guy chadwick. Somewhere a piano player spun Huey Lewis. The scream split a floorboard. I made a note on my boy chart. Stephie T and stevie the marie lloyds affairs entered a deep discussion. A rumour floated that former members of green tamborine were in the building, but the claim was hazy. The Claim were hazy, too - no-one could seem to agree on whether any of their records had been any good, except a sturdy character in a 1954 World Cup T-shirt who bellowed affirmation. But that was miles away, in a watering-hole of a different volvic altogether, under oak beams and a stuffed mock-up of Henry's Cat; a pub in some City or other, guarded against Tories by dragons, or so the rumour went. It was a red herring, in this context: merely synchronous with Terence Stamp. Someone, somewhere, caught a bus. I realized that Stephie T was asking stevie the high peruvians about what instruments he'd be taking on the boat with him. How about a bass guitar? - au contraire les bass parts je prefere to be played upon a tuba i wouldnt have it any other way for all the collective farms in cuba Stephie nodded at me, and I scribbled this on a cribbed manger. It seemed like a useful tip for the future of our combo, after the marvels were capped and the quitters had called it quits. Marc Almond passed, eating cyanide. A gradual sense of novelty and strangeness, of life lived through some kind of convex lens, floated over us. Stephie and I looked at each other quizzically. We raised eyebrows at each other - only one apiece. We'd practised that for years. Slowly it became apparent that the whole thing was being videoed for posterity by Frank O'Hara, using a tiny camera inside his golden pocketbook. We turned black and white, then sepia. As 1900 rushed towards us - but from which direction? - Stephie pinpointed the source of our surprise. - Frank! he cried. I thought you were dead! The poet removed a fag from his mouth. - nah, he dragged in a white queen's accent, i just took a long lunch hour, is all. stevie the blue fire engines' manager appeared, carrying a piano. I shook her hand. She replied with vigour, more than I'd anticipated. Somewhere Bryan Adams' 'Into The Fire' played as I found myself flying across the room, knocking over burly Soft Rock fans on my way. Glass tinkled like ice. I stared up at a blue ceiling. I rose with only a few broken homes, rubbing my jumper. After tonight I had to look after this jumper. I'd better tell the kids about it asap. It dawned on me that her handshake had catapulted me into the toilets. I pulled out my matchbook again, leaned on the transparent urinal, looking at the people who live on the other side. Someone played Suicide. Or was it still Bryan Adams? Anyway, I pulled out a match and started to scrawl. Inspiration had struck, in the form of our encounter with stevie the contact lenders. I knew I had it in me now, the great song of my career, the summa of all I'd been trying to say. I nnoted the date in one corner - 24 July 2000 - and started to write. NOT FOR ALL THE SCHOOL BUSES IN CHERBOURG I remember that September When they were starting to doubt Clive Allen Honey, you should have cashed in your centimes At the chip shop Or the bureau de change It was going well. But I sensed eyes on me. I looked sideways, saw that another bouncer was seated in the lavatory area, looking askance and beady upon my pop-literary activities. I'd have to finish this later. Back in the bar stevie the fantastic meals' manager was playing a harp and a tambourine simultaneously. The sound quality seemed to have improved, though you could still make out Journey's hit 'Only Solutions', from the TRON soundtrack, underneath. Stephie T was articulating a theory of pop. It all came down to the conflict, he said, between Protestant individuality and Catholic guilt. stevie the five aegis didn't seem to buy it. He responded with bottomless whimsy. Yet he seemed serious. - sometimes when were dancing i recall those summer nights with lotte lenya but i wouldnt have them back again for all the lions in kenya He bought us cocktails. We never forgave him. We were enraptured. I spoke to stevie the journal pusher's sidekick. He said he'd sell me some bones, any time, for dollars down. Bowie was interested. Or was it Bowie? A piano player stuck on Blondie's 'Rapture'. stevie the idle hollies' harpist started to dance, singing in perfect tune along with the tuneless section about the man from Mars. Our revels were ending. We bought some Maltesers, but it didn't really do the trick. A member of the Go-Betweens passed. Pickily I felt that the quality of the company was declining. Stephie disagreed. We fell out over it. Picking ourselves off the floor and climbing back in through a bathroom window, we saw the waspish billboards the long crossword aces the roman orchids getting up to leave, with other tributary bands in tow. They had to go and practise for tomorrow. I imagined that sea-sickness could be a problem. Someone boiled a kettle of fish. It was liquid engineering. stevie the plastic babushkas left us with words of reassurance. They rhymed with 'abhorrence'. In the milky night Stephie and I made plans for the heartaches. We hardly ever saw each other again, for at least seventeen hours. I counted photographs of him. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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