January 2001 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: heh with the double standards already
by IsabelLark＠aol.com 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

frankly honey, you bore me. you have had it in for me since the beginning. the comment about hoity toity being from america is no different...and maybe it is from zurich. take me off your list, i have had it with you. people post things all the time...and anytime i do YOU always have something to say about it. i am sorry that you have made some sort of unseen or unknown beef with me...but perhaps it's just for americans. and you contradict yourself constantly. if you knew that public post of yours was intended for me....then why did you post it publically? you with your pretending to know belle and sebastian. it's borderline disgusting. and i am absolutely totally convinced that you ARE a man...as you have had nothing but a hard-on for me since the get-go. take me off this hypocritical...only the uk can speak freely...when one does it, it's ok, when she does it...it's not. mailing list. i am over it. Heh. unsubscribe sinister NOW +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: oh yeah
by IsabelLark＠aol.com 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

there was one comment that i found especially endearing...something about grandfather...and scare tactics(as they pertained to the 21 mile trek to the music store)...it's good of you to join in already. that was sorta the thing i was going for. i thought it added depth. it's called development...maybe in both the UK and the US. i don't really know. truth be known i live right next store to a little privately/locally owned music store. there is no real trek. but i sure feel sad when i think that people used to pack the place out...but not so much anymore. cause chad, the owner, is swell. and he deserves the business. so lets redirect our attentions. ask your local record store owners how they feel about napster...and see if you get a different perspective...and then if you don't...why don't you just shout in their face...see if they come round to YOUR way of thinking...and if they don't, see if they don't call the cops on you next time you come back. i am going to bed now. vienna lager has done her wonder. incidentally, i love you. even the ones of you that i don't like very much...and we had our first official fight. every relationship is stronger thereafter. believe me. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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RE: Sinister: oh yeah
by Andrew Williams (UKHQ - Merch) 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

> incidentally, i love you. even the ones of you that i don't like very > much...and we had our first official fight. every > relationship is stronger > thereafter. believe me. Hey Isabel, I feel slightly responsible for stirring up some of this, and I'll be the first to admit I may have replied rather hastily to your initial email, never very wise. I just want to assure you that I have nothing but respect for everyone's opinion on the list, I just thought it was an interesting topic... if you've been receiving nasty emails, I'm really sorry, that's well out of order. > and yeah...i AM a total music snob...that's why i joined the > list in the > first place. correct me if i am wrong, i thought you all were too. > No, I'm not. That's all I want to say. Peace & Love, yr pal, Andrew. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Off Napster, On Jeepster, Off Prancer, On Vixen
by Brier Random 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

Regarding the Jeepster News Email (which has missed its own boat recently) and Jeepster Website (which still doesn't have lyrics to Winter Wooskie posted, and claims the lyrics to Judy Is A Dick Slap [instrumental] are 'coming soon') has its shortfalls too, I don't think it's fair to criticize Jeepster too heavily. They're primarily a company who makes records. The website and emails are just a bonus. If you hear something first in the NME, well then Jeepster must be doing a good enough job that NME reported some B&S news so quickly. I think we get to comfortable with all this instant electronic information that we get spoiled, and selfishly consider it our right. And I think to whine about it goes against the indie credo to which we claim to aspire. Like buying a Ramones CD and complaining that it didn't include an Interactive Quicktime Video. It'll be fine. The music is coming. Regarding the Napster debate that seems to flare up around here every year or so: No Comment. All of the other reindeer: Dasher: "Here's your hat, what's your hurry?" Dancer: "I thought he hung his boots up and then retired." Prancer: "Gay as a tangerine." Vixen: "You know who you are. I've got the bruises to prove it." Comet: "Always shooting up too much." Cupid: "Put too much poison in the dart." Donner: "Ate the dead; some party." Blitzen: "Ooh, you mixed wine with Jim Beam; you henna your hair, don't you?" Rudolph: Insists on forthcoming posts from Joan of Dark, Listdom Lisa Morrison, LLaura LLew, and Velocity (your mail-art is almost ready). And please check your local bookstore for the book I just wrote, called "How to Get Along With Anyone". I didn't write it by myself; I co-authored it with this dumb moron asshole guy.... Love, Brier +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: heh with the napster already
by IsabelLark＠aol.com 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

wow...what a response. i was so pleased to see all of the hate mail in my box when i returned home. i have really struck a nerve...and i must admit...i love it. from all the mails that i received...here are a few comments that i can recall. something about intolerance...well, what have you shown me? hoity toity...it's from zurich. passion regarding napster...if i havent seen this much passion in your posts since well, never...it's a wonder that i don't see it anywhere else. hmmm. it's amazing how when you threaten someones free music downloads they suddenly feel the need to speak up. but gen x'ers as a whole (another zurich word) can't muster up much of anything else....how dare me shun napster. sheesh. something about people that buy music after hearing music off napster...well, the argument was initially spawned by people that didn't do that...but thanks for your two cents just the same. something about quotes that were not received publically,...well, had i not been bombarded with emails, it might have been easier to respond individually. heh. alas, i have received so much blasted hate mail that it makes it rather difficult to respond to each and every one. but i am happy to have invoked such hatred and opinion..you probably didn't even know you had it in you. i hate that i had to be the one to remind you of such an emotion. an intellectual debate is what we had here...if you failed to see that, then you may not be so intellectual. and yeah...i AM a total music snob...that's why i joined the list in the first place. correct me if i am wrong, i thought you all were too. quadruple heh. and thanks for your thoughts...i enjoyed every single word of most of them...i even read them to my very best pro napster friend. she thought it was entertaining. believe it or not...i do have pro napster friends...and i don't even try to scalp them or anything. the wonder of opinions and assholes...we all have one...and if we are truly lucky (or contradictory) sometimes more than one. next debate... has blockbuster entertainment monopolized the industry? you decide. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Invincible Sword Goddess
by Genevieve Wesley 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

One time Napster filled me with a celestial joy because I found Mambo Miam Miam by Serge Gainsbourg when I had just about Given Up. Although I fantasize from time to time of sexy old men doing the 'miam miam' purrrrrfectly like a cat, there is nothing like the REAL THING: http://www.missprint.org/splat/ It's got all the cool cats shaking their feline hips, pretty soon they'll be rolling a couple of catnip joints and it's gonna be a wild party. What's number 3? It sounds like Kenny Rogers to me. G!O! L!I!S!T!E!N! N!O!W! A few of the girls in my Politics class have had to read Promiscuities,and some of it makes me think of Struan, dark goddess of the woodland mist... Apparently, women get excited when a young man breaks an expensive and delicately crafted instrument onstage, as it is a longing for a 'demon lover'. But of course, how could this be any other way of the Stuart? There was also some interesting stuff about the intense friendships girls have as children, and it just seemed so true. Remembering...of course,intense crushes on boys when I was a child, but it was the girls (not counting PopStars or Imaginary Men) who I made plans to run away and conquer the world with. Anyways, the idea was that adult heterosexual women sometimes have a sense of a lost Eden. "In a way, there will be nothing as exciting as this love between girls ever again. This love has codes and repression, innocence and distant obsession..." It all makes me think of something that Stuart seems to touch, a real innocent sweetness, a simplicity in life, or at least, I feel he does,that I just love so much! Especially in his earlier songs, the girls are so credible...makes me dream of grade 5 summers and camping trips, baths, and endless beauty experiments. One friend and I used to have this punching-bag that was bigger than our whole bodies, sometimes we'd kick it and then sometimes we'd pretend it was a boy to kiss. Hee hee. Your Bosom Friend, Genevieve p.s Oh, one last thing, I promise. Today, as I stepped outside to brave the Arctic Blast, a magestic Canadian Snow-Peacock dropped a scroll at my feet as it danced a little jig and winked at me, before mysteriously flying away...the scroll reads: " Princess Honey Full woman, flesh-apple, hot moon, thick smell of seaweed, mud and light in masquerade, what secret clarity opens through your columns? What ancient nice does a man touch with his senses? Oh, love is a journey with water and stars, with drowning air and storms of flour; love is a clash of lightnings, two bodies subdued by one HONEY. Kiss by kiss I travel your little infinity, your borders, your rivers, your tiny villages; and a genital fire - transformed, delicious - slips through the narrow roadways of the blood till it pours itself, quick, like a night carnation, till it is: and is nothing, in shadow, and a flimmer of light. XXX Gunther " _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: warning: napster debate (an econ perspective)
by paul.rudolph.b＠bayer.com 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

What many economists say will be the effects of rapid, easy access to information brought on by increasingly more sophisticated communications technology and information technology (what we will see in the next 50 to 100 years): 1) We will pay a predetermined rate to access music and listen to it. Sales of physical cds/tapes will be a thing of the past (as well as the cd player). 2) Per item number one, we will have access to thousands and thousands of recordings. 3) It will be easier for less popular musicians to be accessed by their "niche" markets due to item number two. Indie fans take note. 4) It will be easier for anyone to make an intricate recording and put it on the web for access by others. 5) The big money is not in listening rights (analogous to record sales today) but in artists using their celebrity to market other products. Record companies are hesitant to change because they have a proven business model in existence. Eventually, they will be forced to change due to the increased prevalence of music (due to Napster and others like it). Remember, as something becomes more prevalent, it becomes less valuable! Obviously, it is easier and easier to reproduce and transmit music (and knowledge, too) these days. But, at the same time, these technology innovations have created and will create many more opportunities for celebrity - many more opportunities to use what they have that is of value - celebrity. How this will relate to groups of a similar popularity to Belle & Sebastian, well, aside from items number two and three above, it really doesn't affect them. Groups like this will only be able to capitalize on their celebrity to the extent of their celebrity. Obviously, the groups that appeal to the masses will be able to exploit their celebrity to the highest degree. Sorry to bore you all about this - send your medical bills to me. Cheers, Paul +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: We're Barbie and the ROCKERS! Dress so cool we're totally in the groove (in the GROOVE!)
by M. Curtin 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Salvete! I normally like to avoid posting, and I'm sure you normally like when I don't post either, but we'll all just have to cope.... The whole NapsterAngel/Devil conversation reminded me of a conversation I had with my best friend years ago. Though we are the best of friends, we have differering music tastes, aside from Stan Getz, Barbie and the ROckers and the soundtrack to Jesus Christ Superstar. Anyway, one year she got an alarm clock, but it was the kind where you could put your own CD in and wake up to whatever you like. I was quite covetous of this - imagine waking up to Sleep the Clock Around on a daily basis? - but she was a little upset. Her words were: "I wish you could put a tape in this because all I listen to is mix tapes. I never get CDs because by the time I buy one, it's already out of style!" Yes, fair Jillian, heaven forbid you buy an unpopular piece of music. That's really the only point of Napster (though I do prefer Audiogalaxy*) - girls want to get J.Lo's new song so they can blare it out of their computer while they slut-it-up to go out to the bar. Then they can delete it when it's gauche. It's an unending cycle (trust me - I have to live with it). On a lighter note, I received The Dears' CD in the mail yesterday. As if it's not fantastic enough getting packages in the mail, the contents of this one were STELLAR! I highly recommend them. Speaking Dears arriving, a certain Angel Blackwell said he made an appearance in my fair place of abode. Hmm....he actually managed to scrape up Belliphiles in London (ON)! I had given up hope as I thought there are far too many Roots postergirlsandboys for meaningful listenership, but I stand corrected. Keep up the good work. I'll leave now, so you can all breathe a sigh of relief. Au reservoir Marybeth *I only use it to get rare things I cannot buy ANYWHERE and to find things like the theme to The Littlest Hobo. It's a sad existence. However, on Thursday, Leslie Nielsen guest starred on the Littlest Hobo - so how's that for class? P.S. Am i the only one with enough time on my hands to notice that in Nick Drake's version of Tomorrow is Such a Long Time he uses the subjunctive, but in Nana Mouskouri's version she uses the indicative? These things are important, you know... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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by dougal shaw 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

either 'I think Napster's great', said Bono on an MTV video, 'popstars like myself are vastly overpaid'. What false magnaminity from the mouth of the jumped up Gaelic-rock millionaire. If he was unsuccessful, impoverished and just starting out his views would be the same as Lars Ulrich, the uber-Napster enemy. Intellectual property is a public good, that's why it was created, to create the conditions for diversity and individual endeavour and creativity to flourish. If people don't get the reward and recognition for their artistic achievements(which means financial reward as well), the music won't happen. (except for purists like Belle and Sebastian, who don't mind keeping music amateur, and working part-time as Church Janitors a la Stuart - would like to see Bono doing that). or People will always have the same disposable income to spend on music, so people will access more music through Napster and the record industry will get the same money into its coffers somehow. This is good. Also, people will still desire the object. In the late 1920's when folk music was first put to acetate, it was assumed nobody would buy the music because it was there in the oral tradition around them. Until the Depression kicked in, shedloads (literally) of records were sold, because hicks, like all of us, are enamoured with the physical object - thus commodity fetishism was born and the record industry baptised. Personally, I feel the same desire. I can't help buying CDs on sale, even when I know I've got the tracks on my hardrive. As for becoming offended when 'hoity-toity' (presumably this is an American term, like valley girl) people deign to like the same music in public, that's an awful attitude. It's like music is a religious sect and they are false-believers or something. There's nothing wrong with elitism in musical preference, but everything wrong with intolerance. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: if everyone is...
by Walkn10＠aol.com 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

I think in some respects Napster and Mp3s could be greatest things that ever happened to the world of music. I'm sure with the new pay-for-play system major labels will have a much stronger presence, but essentially ANYONE can be on there and have their music heard by people outside their everyday lives. Where is the problem? Music is not just for the privliged and if a person is upset because someone deemed "not cool" is listening to "cool" music, then I think its this person's thinking that needs changing and not the system . I'm very sorry, but you'll have to share; this world would be infinitely easier to survive in if people didn't make such arbitrary distinctions and did a little more sharing instead. As for artists not recieving monetary compensation for their efforts, when in the hell was this guaranteed to begin with? I've played in bands since high school, everyone of which made a self-released album and not one of which recieved a damn cent. Its a fringe benefit of being in a band, not a guarantee or a birth right. As several people have pointed out, ask most artists and they'll tell you that reaching new people is far more rewarding than worrying about how their album is selling. The fact of the matter is that albums are selling at a record pace and people are hearing about bands they never would have been exposed to otherwise, yet somehow people are still decrying the whole program in the name of "fairness." In a message dated 1/30/01 9:44:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, IsabelLark(a)aol.com writes: << where i come from we have to trek twenty-one miles into town...sometimes in the rain and mud...get to the record store...buy something...we don't get to hear it first. and there are no refunds...we trek it back twenty-one miles (again, in the rain and mud) and run straight to the cd player while mom yells about tracking mud...put a cd in and dance like mad. or curse with tourettes...whichever the case may be. >> While this ritual may be forced upon you, let's not spoil it for those of us who can avoid being shafted to the tune of $15. This is sounding oddly like my ancient grandfather, always lambasting the latest things to make us kids "soft." Its getting rid of the voodoo of the marketplace. I've known countless people who have bought a CD by a totally obscure band because of tracks they heard on the internet. If no one could hear a record before they bought it, they would most likely be buying based on image rather than actual quality, would they not? That doesn't sound like a very "indie-friendly" concept to me. How this is supposed to be more advantageous to anyone is beyond comprehension. It sounds more like a case of "I did it the hard way and so should everyone of you." Thanks, but no thanks... The Ravens won the Super Bowl on Sunday...believe it or not, I'm still glowing. Steve C. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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