January 2001 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: Taking a nap and wiping the Dairylea off your nose
by vodkabird＠gurlmail.com 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Hullo, Napster, papster. Actually I felt a bit ignorant after reading all of your lovely posts, as I have never been tempted by the greatmusicalwhatchumecallitdownload. I barely have the patience to wait for my computer to shut down before I turn it off, let alone waiting a bazillion years for a song to download. My ISP is pantalons anyway, as some of you will know :) I only got rid of my vinyl (records, you dirty sweethearts) 18 months ago; selling my soul to The Left-legged Pineapple just so I could go to the pictures and buy some cheap vod. I do miss my records, if only cos I used to adore the run-off messages. Anyhoo, I'm off to play backgammon with some nifty little pieces I made from old bits of table. Love you all VB xxx If life was like a game of chess I'd jump the queen and steal his dress Being a Rebel's Fine at: http://www.angelfire.com/ia/trustnoone ________________________________________________________________________ --> get your free, private gURLmail account at http://www.gURLmail.com!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Survey results and why Napster is a great thing!
by David White 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Hello there Sinister! --Results-- The votes are in and have been painstakingly counted. No need for Florida style recounts here! The winners in each category were as follows... Best album of 2000 (nearly 90 different albums were nominated) 1. Belle & Sebastian - Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant 2. Radiohead - Kid A 3. The Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs * Best song from 2000 (well over 100 different songs were nominated) 1. Belle & Sebastian - There's Too Much Love 2. Belle & Sebastian - Legal Man =3. Radiohead - Optimistic =3. Belle & Sebastian - Waiting For The Moon To Rise =3. Belle & Sebastian - Woman's Realm =3. Belle & Sebastian - I Fought In A War Most popular band (based on number of songs nominated in Best song category) 1. Belle & Sebastian (8 different songs nominated) 2. Radiohead (7 different songs nominated) =3. Sigur Ros (4 different songs nominated) =3. Lambchop (4 different songs nominated) Most popular band (based on votes) 1. Belle & Sebastian 2. The Magnetic Fields 3. Baxendale Albums from 2000 which most people regret buying 1. Radiohead - Kid A 2. Coldplay - Parachutes =3. Richard Ashcroft - Alone With Everyone =3. The Go-Betweens - The Friends Of Rachel Worth You may have spotted a bit of a pattern emerging there (B&S dominating almost everything), so here are the results for the two main categories with B&S disregarded... Best album 1. Radiohead - Kid A 2. The Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs 3. The Delgadoes - The Great Eastern Best Song 1. Radiohead - Optimistic =2. Yo La Tengo - Our Way To Fall =2. Badly Drawn Boy - Once Around The Block No major surprises there I guess, B&S were clearly everybodys favourites with the rest of the vote fairly evenly spread between loads of bands. Interesting to note that 8 different B&S songs were nominated, and those were (in order of most votes)... 1. There's Too Much love 2. Legal Man 3. Woman's Realm =4. Waiting For The Moon To Rise =4. I Fought In A War 6. The Model 7. Don't Leave The Lights On Baby 8. Loneliness Of A Middle Distance Runner That's more than enough statistics for anyone to handle in one sitting. I have posted the full results on my website (www.belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk) Go and look, see where your votes went. Also you can see the best gigs list and the memories of 2000. --Napster (my opinion)-- I love the whole Napster thing. I love the idea of being able to hear a track before going out and spending money on an album I might not like. Far from stifling music surely it encourages people to listen to bands they would not normally listen too. For instance I downloaded a few Grandaddy tracks off Napster having never heard the band but having heard good things about them. I would (and probably will) happily purchase the album now. Also somebody explain how am I costing anybody money if I download a tune or two that I would never have bought anyway? Example: I downloaded the Supergrass track 'Moving' off Napster because I liked it. I did not like it enough to warrant spending 15 quid on the album and do not like any of the other album tracks I have heard, so what harm am I doing? I'm not going to spend £15 or more on an album just to hear a single track that I might have liked. If I download it from Napster it's not costing anybody anything cos I would never have purchased it anyway. And even if Napster does go all commercialised, it won't stop people listening to "illegal" music. Bootleg CDs or pirated CDs are hardly a new thing (anybody who's been to the Barras in Glasgow will be well aware that there are loads of stalls selling illegal CDs) but they've hardly destroyed the music industry have they? And other file sharing software is freely available which does exactly the same as Napster (Imesh for example). That's enough of this nonsense from me, don't forget to check out the survey results at www.belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk Dave david(a)belleandsebastian.freeserve.co.uk *Sorry P F, I decided that it had to go in because it got so many votes, even though it might have first been released in 1999 in the US. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Patsy Cline speaks the truth, the whole truth, & nothing but!
by Disc Go Round Bremerton 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Content: "Seeing Other People" has become a recurring theme in my life as of late, and not in a good way. This used to be one of my favorite songs, but I'm starting to resent it for pointing out the obvious. Indeed, exes should stay exes. No good can come from trying to be "just friends". Bah! Anyhoo, here's a funny Red Bull story for all you beverage freaks out there: mediocre power forward Vin Baker of my beloved Seattle Supersonics was hosptialized last weekend for heart palpitations caused by what the media were officially calling an "energy drink". And what do you think that energy drink was? That's right! RED BULL! Now, Vin Baker is no small kid, and he overdosed on Red Bull? What a puss. Maybe if we throw some vodka in it his game will improve. Rachel Playforth (sorry if I messed up your name) asked for tattoo advice. I've been tattooed six times, and will be going in for more in a few months, so I think I can give some helpful hints. First thing everyone asks is "Does it hurt?" HELL YES it hurts! It feels a bit like a bee sting, only the bee is stinging you 300 times a minute and is going halfway through to the bone. But it's a good pain, and it goes away. The healing process (which I'm currently enduring) is, in my opinion, much worse than the actual tattooing. Once your ink gets scabby and gross, it itches soooo bad it makes you teeth hurt and there's nothing you can do about it. Aftercare is what makes or breaks your tattoo. If the scab comes off too early or if you use anything will any antibiotic anything in it (i.e Neosporin, Bacitracin, etc.) the ink won't set in your skin right and you'll have to get it touched up. But once the scab comes off and the new skin heals, it's all worth it. Just make sure you are 100% sure of the design you want, and that the artist you're going to is reputable and hygenic. Ask your tattooed friends for recommendations, and talk to the artist before you committ to anything. Nothing's worse than being worked on my someone you don't completely trust or like--trust me. Good luck, and keep us up to date. By the way, does anyone know if Stuart David's naughty book will be available in the U.S? XOXOXOXO- Jen (jerkgirl) p.s. I've been Jenny for the better part of 28 years-no Stepford Jenny here! Besides, with a line like "everyone thinks she's really ugly...", who'd want to call themselves after that song? ===== Come to Disc Go Round in East Bremerton! (Fred Meyer Plaza) We buy, sell, and reserve CD's. We also now buy and sell DVD movies, so bring in those old movies today! Support your favorite local bands buy buying their music and merchandise at Disc go Round. Open M-S 10-9 and Sunday 12-6. Call us 405-0878. __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: full of televisions and wellingtons
by Nigel R. Townshend 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

blimely charile ! what a day of debating. it has been very good well argued points from both sides, thats what i like about this sinster thing everone seems quite intellegent and can back the view points up with reasoned argument. so yeah napster/ mps.com i don't know, i was inspired by this debating so i took a look at mp3.com and being failry egotatsical typed in the name of the band i played in three years ago, and what did it come up with ? just so much information about stikkelbrix i was amazed, it was like the music we made threee years ago can be heared anywhere in the world by anyone and i'm so proud of the fact that we are in there i think its a good thing even if we dont get money from it we get heard its just so amazing i delved deeper in to mp3.com and found we had four songs in the charts! number 15 was our highest entry. so people are saying its killing the music industry? i'm not so sure the internet is just changing the way we buy records. Evolution if you like anyway enough of that just thought i'd give you my thoughts, but they are only my thoughts and are subjective, prehaps someone will write a paper on it and being objective about who knows.... i listened to belle and sebastain for the first time in weeks today whilst i was sat in a tea shop called lyn's pantry it was very strange i didnt know sheffield had any teashops it was full of smelly old woman and they looked at me like i was a freak but i liked that. i went up to cole brothers and bought a terracota pot although i have yet to decide what to plant in it. i quite like the idea of a bannana plant we shall just have to wait and see. i am currentley listening to greenday and i dont know what song it is but it sounds like the levellers! how strange. anyway i shall leave you with this dream i had: i was on hoilday travelling round OZ with isabel cambells sister and she made me carry this huge bag which when i opened it up it was full of televisions and wellingtons, it makes no sense prehaps this is what comes of late night pizza eating sessions... Nigel Love ------------------------------------------- Post Scriptum: Who's ya daddy ? http://www.lundwood.u-net.com/bettysclinic.htm www.wwf.com daddy knows best +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: How most bands make money
by Brier Random 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Someone said: "Most bands do not make money off record sales. The money is in publishing rights and merchandizing." No. MOST bands don't have action figures and pencil-cases. And no one cares about using their songs in Volkswagen commercials. MOST bands make all their money off CD sales and live gigs. It's not a world of Britneys. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: if everyone is...
by Toadie29＠aol.com 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

In a message dated 1/30/01 3:47:02 AM, AWillia(a)bordersgroupinc.com writes: << People have been saying that "X" will destroy the music industry for time immemorial, and guess what, it ain't happening. I'm not saying we should be complacent, or take for granted the beautiful music that's being made at the moment, but Napster isn't hurting anybody other than bands who rip off their fans by charging too much for their products or releasing shoddy material which isn't worth paying for. >> here i am from lurkerdom. i am sort of in the middle of both sides of the napster argument. i mean, while i can see how people would want to hear rarities and all, there are only sooooo many versions of one song you can here without it getting redundant. and as for napster ruining music. well, this is actually the first time the music industry was in any type of jeapordy. and that isnt to say that it is soley the fault of napster and similar mp3 sites, it is just the reality of our world. in the past 3 or 4 ye ars some of the biggest record companies have been bought, sold, forced into monopolistic mergers and just plain run out of business. people dont spend money on music the way they used to. and unfortunately, record companies are a sort of neccessary evil. they allow the musicians we love to do what they do. as for bands ripping off their fans for music which isnt worth paying for. i suppose that would be relative to how you felt about said band. for example, a band that i would pay 50 quid for a rare cd by, many of you would not even consider worthy of downloading on napster. so even though you may feel brittney spears is ripping off her fans by charging £20 for a pillow with her lovely face on the front, those who are buying the merchandise dont look at it that way. does that make sense. oh well. i shall shut up now as i could go on about this subject for days. :o) talk to y'all soon. ~stine +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Re: sinister-Glasgow, Napster, Harold/Maude, etc
by Andrea Kittenmouse 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Hello hello, How are you (all)? I'm ok...I just forced myself to get up at the unholy hour of 9 am. Ugh. I was wondering if anyone managed to listen to kittenmouse radio last night on the internet (8-10 pm PST at www.kpsu.org) No big deal. Just curious. Anyway, after hearing about the 13th Note many times on sinister, I was wondering, where is it in comparison to the art school in Glasgow? Is it close by--maybe within walking distance? Regarding Napster, they officially are going to start charging subscription fees for downloading music off their site. Some observations: a)Most people I know download things they are going to buy later at a show. b)I never really could find more than one or two songs by most of the small independent artists that claim their albums were being ruined from being uploaded onto Napster. c)Most cd's from mainstream artists are $18 (U.S.) and not only would I never pay that much, I probably wouldn't download whatever crappy remix of Mariah Carey or Eminem that someone uploaded onto Napster anyway. Who cares, anyway? It's all been blown up to be way bigger than it is. There are bigger things to worry about, like the MPAA taking away 'fair use' rights from people. Also, finally saw Harold and Maude last weekend. Great movie. I think the late 60's/early 70's are my fave years for movies. -Andrea _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: if everyone is...
by Jason McKinnon 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

IsabelLark said,"i wonder how bands really feel about people downloading their music at no costs." Well, speaking as a person who makes music and has been in and out of the industry. (and I think I'm not quite alone in those aspects here on the list), I would say that most musicians I've talked to are welcoming the change that Napster is bringing to the bloated record industry. Yes....even (quote unquote)indie rock! (whatever that means anymore!)Most bands do not make money off record sales. The money is in publishing rights and merchandizing. 1)MP3 swapping has broadened most people's range of musical taste. 2)Mp3 swapping is changing the way we think about art and music. More flow instead of commodity. 3)If you really want to get righteous, information and art should always be free. If you are making music for music's sake, then the more people that listen to it, the effect the songs have on music in general and the expurgation of that music from your soul will be reward enough. Anything else is just extra! ThePicklePrince _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Home Downloading Is Killing Home Taping Is Killing Music
by Brian Pennington 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Dear Sinister, Odd we've never discussed this before. Isabel you seem to be quoting posts which I did not receive without actually quoting them in your letters, so if someone has taken this tack I apologize but it didn't make it to my inbox. But I think you can draw a nice bundle of parallels between Napster and our old friend the Cassette. Both of them give us a capacity we did not have prior to their inception. Cassettes allowed us to make custom mixes for friends, thereby exposing them to new music and encouraging them to spend more money. Yayyyy capitalism. Napster allows us to test out tracks by bands we're curious about before we consider spending money on them. Cassettes allowed us to make copies of recordings which were not made available to the general public. Napster does also. Both can be abused. Some people have been known to copy entire albums on cassette. In fact the record industry once feared that this would spell its demise. Yes someone needs to buy an album before they can copy it onto a cassette first, but MP3s need a CD to be ripped from in order to be made just as cassettes need a source. Perhaps Napster is a more convincing because it is closer to hi-fi and it's easier and quicker. Okay, and some rumor control. Warner Brothers did *not* buy out Napster. Napster already entered into an agreement with Bertelsmann, so Warner would probably have to buy them out in order to do this. Napster *is* planning on switching to a fee-based service as early as Summer, and I for one am willing to pay if they have a fair system of paying artists whose songs are downloaded. Peer-to-peer file-sharing as a distribution for music is not going to go away, even if Napster does. I'm not trying to say CDs will be irrelevant anytime soon, but Napster or its possible successors will be around, and in the end they will not be free. The music industry had a record year last year, people *are* spending money on music like they used to. More than they used to even. In a high-bandwidth world, a free Napster would definately affect some bottom lines, but more likely than not the same 5 labels will be present in whatever final form Napster or its successor takes. I just hope the consumer doesn't get screwed in the process, like they usually do. The consumer and artists certainly stand a good chance of coming out ahead. Incidentally, to anyone who's tried unsuccessfully to download B&S rarities from me, please be patient. I apologize for my slow connection, but it's the best I can offer without fear of legal reprisal. -- Brian Pennington, aka Mick McMick | cellophanesky(a)mac.com | ICQ# 39021436 Sandcastle Records: <http://www.indiepages.com/sandcastle/> the Cellophane Sky:<http://home.earthlink.net/~cellophanesky/the/index.html> "Better a tear of truth than smiling lies." - Duncan Browne +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: fake plastic london
by angel blackwell 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

well, i had a loverly sinister weekend...in london no doubt. but it wasn't in the fantasy filled london where my friends all seem to be immigrating to, no it was london, ontario. wahoo...a now decaying uni town. shame really, it has one of the oldest theatres in north america, not that anyone goes to it anymore. i gots to meet a whole crew of beele & sebeebstian fans, and one almost too well. i didn't realize her offers of tea with breakfast meant that i'd already have slept over there the night previous. the sad thing was that it had to be explained to me all after, i had no clue. whoda thunk it??? she did have a great apartment (i saw it the next night...) and she's an artist and has her paintings all over the place, and i kept looking through her cd's and stuff and we had too many things the same. then i got to look through her vinyl collection, sweet...i almost fell in love right there *sigh* too bad she was a woman... k...i'll be sad when napster starts charging...i mean think about it, every country in the world has a similar institution, it called a library...the written word hasn't suffered from people being able to read books for free...granted, i do think that ppl who download an entire album, track for track are missing the point...but i wouldn't have got the black sessions or whatever without senor naptster... hmmm...i'm at work now, i guess i'll go back to sleep... see you all in #sinister, i think flo_capp can finally be put to rest... a. ___________________________________________________________________ The crudity and sparness of life is to be found in public lavatories." -Leoni Orton-Barnett, sister of Joe Orton. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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