October 2001 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: time exists, just on your wrists so dont panic
by toadie291＠home.com 17 Oct '01

17 Oct '01

hi everyone. i hope all of you are doing your very best. youre special after all. as for me? well, before i go onto my raving bitch tangent id like to mention chicago. i had such a lovely time with the crew on saturday. even though it was monsooning in our fare city, the company was lovely. that was the first formal sinister meeting ive attended and am glad to know that the pedestal ive put sinisterees on is very appropriate. what amazing people. and sean and jim and elise let me listen to travis all day and didnt complain...not even a scoach. :o) and nikki was just so very sweet with her lil southern drawl :o) punk rock indeed! so now onto me being a bitter and jaded old spinster. i think i have decided to write off boys all together! geesh. why arent there any intelligent nice considerate employed straight men here? cuz theyre all in england and scotland i suspect. perhaps i just make them utopic so i have some hope that somewhere in the world boys arent stupid....i just have the misfortune of meeting the ones that are. and another thing, if i may. why is it that you can be there for your friends unconditionally. listen to them when they have their hearts broken, bring them ice cream, just be there for them when they need you. then, all the sudden they meet someone new and have no time for you? i mean, of course i dont expect to monoploise anyones life, but i dont think th´ øccasional phone call is being too demanding. there are many faults that i have, but i can honestly say that i have never put my friendships at risk for a guy. oh well. what do i know? im just in a foul mood. oh well. hopefully it isnt a problem too big for ben & jerry's. i hope all of you are toadie. as you are so once was i remember this as time goes by as i am now soon you will be remember this and pray for me ~stine +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: My roommate thought she was making a joke but she made me write this monstrously long thing
by ArtsyDeco＠aol.com 17 Oct '01

17 Oct '01

yeah, and the fake british accent was real cute too. Ugh. Do I cry myself to sleep? Sometimes, though I try not to. I cried today because he was too busy to talk to me. Not that he didn't want to. Neither of us wants to slight our friends for each other, or annoy people while we're on the phone. I just needed him then and knew it would be best to wait. He's complained of missing me more than I've done, though I find myself becoming much more vocal on that subject. I just ran through pouring rain to get hot chocolate. I got two cups of the stuff. I thought it would make me feel better. I'm enjoying them but I'm not sure I feel better. I'm thinking of how much I hated running through the rain, but how I would walk slowly through it with him and not mind, not even notice. We don't just hold hands when we walk together; we hold each other, both of us more content the closer we are. I keep thinking of the time when we were in his computer room and he didn't want me to sit on a separate chair. He said he wasn't as happy if we! weren't together. Maybe it's a symptom of a long distance relationship, but I think it's more than that. When we're together things that usually bother me don't seem to matter. Today he told me that the bad music his friends were playing stopped when he talked to me. Not that they turned it off, he just didn't notice. He does the same thing to me. Everything is better when he's with me, even if it is just on the phone or online, but especially when we're physically together. The bad things aren't so bad. I can tolerate crappy music more. I don't mind walking in the rain. I can be more patient. The good things are even better. Good music means more. TV shows and movies are better. I'm better. If it's cheesy to say that to me the safest place in the world is in his arms, then call me sharp cheddar (though in most cases I prefer mozzarella.) I lost any sense of a house being home when I met him. Home is where he is. With him is where I feel truly comfortable, i! nstantly the moment we're together. My mother felt she had to m ake sure that I knew that I could have been happy with other people. I realize chances are I would have met someone here at college and had a relationship that made me happy if I had never met him. I'm so glad I did meet him because no one has ever understood me like he does, not family, friends, anyone. I seriously doubt anyone else could. There's no one else like him. To think before I met him I thought I wasn't a lucky person. I'm beginning to think I have to move to England right away. I'm realizing what is really important to me. Thank you for giving me a forum to empty my brain into. I had to write this before I could even think about writing the essay on tragedy that is due tomorrow. On a completely unrelated note: there should be a Boston picnic if I am not the only person in the area. I think it would be fun to have it in the aquarium. But that's probably just me. I adore aquariums. I apologize for my lack of paragraphication. I'm incapable of it when I just write what I'm thinking. Kara Jean Daria Brielmann* +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: the infinite sadness.
by Astrid Wiezell 16 Oct '01

16 Oct '01

Hullo, Sorry for posting again in such a short while. i think I posted yesterday, but I can´t remember. I´m listening to the Smashing Pumpkins at the moment and I am feeling like kicking at things. Ahhh. I have to do a mixtape for my friend Anna whom I don´t really like at the moment because I promised her to make one - it´s her birthday tomorrow, so, ah, I have to make one. She´s just vulgar at the moment and has been saying VERY rude things all day, and I know It´s now who she is, it´s just to play cool in front of the others in our band. So I kind of was by myself all day in school. It was quite horrible. And someone in our school is sending enormously rude messages on the internet to all of the members in our band, and knows a gut called erik as well. it´s dead weird and very frustrating not knowing who it is that´s really STUPID and CHILDISH and I am just so sick of all my friends as well, they´re so childish and has to runt over and scream POOP! in your ear when you least expect it. I just want to sit somewhere nice, sip ribena, listen to some nice music and take it easy. Not having to fear that your friends are going to say something dirty or just being really rude and not very nice. I feel like such an outcast, and sometimes I can say rude things as well, but I certainly don´t feel like doing that everyday. Ah, where are all the NICE people? Well, they´re on sinister. And not here. I have to do a B&S-tape for her, that´s the only thing my friend wished for and since I don´t have any money left that´s my only choise. I know it sounds horrible, but I don´t want her to listen to B&S because she is such a bitch and never care about other people´s feelings. Oh, and they really ARE harrassing me for listening to B&S! I have pictures of B&S in my locker so that my days will not be so horrible, but they point at them and say that they are ugly and stupid and that I listen to geeky music. Sigh. They´ll never learn I guess. And that´s just their loss, I don´t care. They are not very smart, so what could you expect from someone who´ll hug you (that´s when I think they´re being nice) and then whisper in a sleazy voice "Do you want to have sex with me, you slut. Well come to my room in the motel" and I know I probably should find it hilarious, but I don´t. It just frightens me. Take care kittens! Astrid xxx _________________________________________s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Ny chatt på Spray! Fartyget M/S Spray har anlänt till http://www.spray.se/ohoj +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: a heart thats full up like a lemsip
by chris perriman 16 Oct '01

16 Oct '01

here's my indie dreamteam (according to kieran's rules) surprizingly only one of my foreign players is american, the others being jamaican and icelandic. i havent really stuck to the 'indie' of the title but i'm sure it can be excused. 1 jason pierce spacemen 3/spiritualized 2 mani stone roses/primal scream 3 jon por birgisson* sigur ros 4 bobby gillespie jesus and mary chain/primal scream 5 stuart braithwaite mogwai 6 gruff rhys super furry animals 7 shaun ryder happy mondays/black grape 8 lauren laverne~ kenickie/solo 9 flea* red hot chili peppers 10 aphex twin solo 11 aston 'family man' barrett* the wailers subs 12 ian brown stone roses/solo 13 tim wheeler ash 14 george harrison+ beatles/solo 15 nick drake solo 16 kim deal~ pixies/breeders * foreign ~ female + obsolete the whole thing is quite close to the fantasy band game where the player chooses a group of musicians to form their ideal band - here's mine: vocals fergal sharkey undertones guitar stuart braithwaite mogwai bass flea red hot chili peppers drums reni stone roses keys cian ciaran super furry animals oakie dokie cheeriokie Pez* www.pez.com - the wonderful world of pez ;) ivorytowers.8m.com - ivory towers records www.drpez.com - Dr Pez, Spain's premier fish doctor (i think) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: a heart thats full up like a lemsip
by kieran devaney 16 Oct '01

16 Oct '01

i've never actually tried lempsip, although i have a romantic notion of it being a wonderful warm lemony experience which would relieve any cold or sore throat ailing me at the time however i think that trying the stuff would probably shatter this idyllic scene, because it's probably nasty and sticky in the harsh reality theres a wider metaphor there, but i wont bore you by putting it into awkward prose the title is a bastardisation of the line from 'no suprises' which is a gorgeous song the real reason for this email (because lempsips aren't enough of a reason) is because of a game my friend and i invented today, which kept us going through a rather dull english lesson/lunchtime combo it's called indie dreamteam, but the name is pending investigation it's based on those slightly naff fantasy football leagues that so many people seem to like and the whole game is deliberate sort of naff in a loosely ironic way but it's all held together with magic glue the premise is that you pick 11 players and 5 substitutes (just like football i hear you cry!) except the players have to be indie heroes icons whatever, or at least people who embrace a spirit of indie music in something that they do your team will obviously reflect your own taste in music, but we came up with a couple of extra rules just for fun for example the three foreigners rule - a return for the much maligned european cup rule... you are allowed three people not from your country only, thats your lot, the rest have to come from where you live (a bit unfair for europeans who want to play, but you can pretend you live in the UK i guess... although another country based one would be fun). we decided that the UK would count as the country, mostly because there are too many good people in scotland and wales to miss girls rule - you have to have at least two girls (because everyone likes girls) and these can be your foreigners if you want or substitutes obsolete characters rule - you are allowed one person who is dead, or not making music anymore if you want, but it isn't compulsory... there was some consternation as to whether morrissey or lauren laverne counted as still making music, and an agreement wasn't reached as to whether both could be used we did decide for yourselves i think thats it a sort of generic team we worked out goes like this 1: Aidan Moffat - Arab Strap 2:Jarvis Cocker - Pulp 3: Steve Malkmus - Solo Stuff/Pavement 4: Stuart Murdoch - B&S 5: David Gedge - Cinerama/Wedding Present 6: PJ Harvey 7: Gruff Rhys - SFA 8: Morrissey - Smiths/Solo Stuff 9: Isobel Campbell - B&S/Gentle Waves 10: Darren Hayman - Hefner 11: Mark E. Smith - The Fall subs 12: Euros Childs - Gorkys 13: Lauren Laverne - Solo Stuff/Kenickie 14: Stuart Braithwaite - Mogwai 15: Efrim ??? - Godspeed You Black Emperor! 16: Justine Frischman - Elastica hopefully that embraces the spirit of indie in all it's swirling greatness just as a disclaimer: i hate football anyway enjoy after all that, i imagine no one will play peace and love kieran +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Bookshop girls are librarians who have gone retarded
by Will Porter 16 Oct '01

16 Oct '01

This just in: "Stuart Murdoch" is an anagram of "cum rod thrust". I expect Pookie to get right to work on this one. also, "rut a smut chord". Not sure if that means anything but it sounds awfully dirty. Okay Wills, huddle. Alright, now which of you accepted the mix tape duel? ARE YOU MAD? You NEVER let your opponent choose the weapon. Especially those crafty Rachels (let's face it, the Chrises aren't much of a threat, what with that sleeka sounds fellow gone). We should have insisted on pistols at dawn, but now you've botched it. Must I do *everything* around here? Now. LL said: > Will Porter can come out from under his bed I am *not* hiding, dammit. I am a busy man. I have a job, you know. Okay, truth be told, my bed is just a mattress on the floor, so I don't fit under it. I was behind the door. And THEN she said: > the only other member of my > audience will be some desperately lonely old male librarian who saw a light > in the window of the lecture hall and hopefully came in to escape the cold > and the horrors of his personal hell (realizing years before that bookshops > were superior but being too proud to admit to it so he kept being > transferred from branch to brooklyn branch and becoming so desperate at > times that he even considered moving to Iowa). To which I can only respond: Ha, ha, and HA. Your habit of lending things betrays you bookshop girl (which, incidentally, can be sung to the tune of the Dead Milkmen's "Punk Rock Girl"): face it, you're practically a librarian now--throw aside the decadence of your capitalist world and join us! We've got steady (if meagre) wages and a decent dental plan! Yeah! Love me, love my library! I think I need to start sleeping in a different position because I keep waking up with headaches, but it's hard to change what you do when you're asleep because, well, you're asleep at the time. I like biscuits. xo will porter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: viva rachels! and paintings!
by caleb ben moore 16 Oct '01

16 Oct '01

have any of you rachels ever heard of the band "rachels"? they are very good instrumental (if i remember correctly) neo-classical indie type stuff. from chicago i think. the only thing i could compare it to would be a cross between the dirty three and Godspeed, but much more austere. check em out....... also, i'm taking requests for original works of art.....if anyone is interested, i'll make an original ink painting for them......i do free form blown ink drawings, with snippets of writings and such (they're not brilliant, but they are me).....ulla gave me the idea, with her awesome hugging pictures. so just email me your mailing addy and a few words you would use to describe yourself (so i can personalize it) if you're interested. since i work in a mail room so i can scam as much postage as i want..... ta! caleb ben ===== And when I'm lying in my bed I think about life and I think about death and neither one particularly appeals to me and if the day came when I felt a natural emotion I'd get such a shock I'd probably lie in the middle of the street and die I'd lie down and die ------morrissey __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: i think dione warwicke said it best....
by caleb ben moore 16 Oct '01

16 Oct '01

thats what friends are for. thanks so much for the kind words yesterday. i appreciate it more than you know. i apologize for being such a downer, i was just in a terrible state. i'm feeling much better today, the sky is blue and the fluffy clouds are smiling...... sinisterines are the best friends around, even if i've never met any of you personally. if you're ever in minneapolis let me know! anyway, i was wondering if any of you have LiveJournal accounts? i'd love to check them out if you do....just let me know. for now.......ta! caleb ben p.s. i hope your tears have dried up kristen kenyon, and you are smiling and laughing....if not here's a little joke for you: Q: what's purple, rides in a limo and carries a gun? A: Al Caplum! (get it? like Al Capone? it's stupid i know.... but i bet you are smiling! :) ===== And when I'm lying in my bed I think about life and I think about death and neither one particularly appeals to me and if the day came when I felt a natural emotion I'd get such a shock I'd probably lie in the middle of the street and die I'd lie down and die ------morrissey __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: bad things dont happpen often
by Katia913＠aol.com 16 Oct '01

16 Oct '01

sometimes I think that bad things dont really touch me. Sure I'm still really young and my parents and all relationships end out bad, but my life as a whole is reall overall good. I have a late start today, woke up at 9 instead of six fifteen and got ready to go. My dad's doctor called to tell the results of a test he had undergone last week. He thought i was my mom and mistakenly told me, not my parents, without either of us knowing we weren't supposed to be talking to eachother, that my dad has advanced colon cancer. I dont know what to do. My parents dont know and I cant get in touch with them, its only me. sorry to be depressing, i just needed to say it much love sinister kate +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Blair's too much guv
by Ken Chu 16 Oct '01

16 Oct '01

Hello Oooh typing an sinister post from work is rather exciting. If I stick to the 15-minutes rule, I can earn at least 2 pounds for writing a post! I can be on those McDonald's adverts that go "This is how much work Ken Chu had to do to earn a Double Cheeseburger" or something. Ooh! People want to send me tapes? Great! So shall I also spend time at work now thinking up some rules for this competition? Of Course I should! *********************************************************** So, the rules for the world's first "Will Rachel send Ken a tape?" competition: The Wills and the Rachels (mmm was there a Chris's as well? Ok whoever with some sort of first name) decide on a representative who can give me an e-mail and I'll send you back my postie address. The Wills and Rachels and the Chris's and the Beatrices then decide on a tracklist amongst themselves (off list in private please), and then somehow create a tape with that listing on, and post it to me. Once I've got all the tapes I listen to them and then decide on who wins, easy. The tapes will be judged by the following criteria: 1. Your tape can be obscure if you like, but, if it's obscure rubbish then your tape will still fair rubbish. It's quality over obscurity here, but something that I haven't heard before (not difficult) but I like (quite difficult) shall get bonus points. 2. I love puns, the more puns you can fit into your tape, the higher your chances of winning, I am not specifying what kind of puns you wanna do, surprise me with your ingenuity. Wordplay will be your best secret weapun. (hoho) 3.The amount of money you send with your tape. Please make cheques payable to "Mr Kenneth P Chu" To summerise, the tape with the best songs with the best puns with the biggest cheque will win. Wait, am I engaged to Kirsten Kenyon? Tapes and Red bulls Ken ========================================= Red Bull Dozers http://www.cockscrew.com/rbd +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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