October 2001 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: Loveliness of the middle london fun-ers
by Ken Chu 14 Oct '01

14 Oct '01

I took a second on Friday to think about the things I should be doing that night, a quick drive down and the boring train, I'm underneath the Euston's Rainway Arch again. The futures looking colourful, it's the colour of the red bull and the vodka and the corruption of a pair of legs a pair of legs will dance like an eel, til the muscles die down. The railway ticket states my return date but it doesn't mean that I will show. Too much vodka in my mind, a lovely guy offered a bed that night, so off we went The whole night was quite wonderful, It's the wonder of the indiekids conspiracy to make me dance and we all danced oh you danced I know I danced, I forgot for a while. <Rawk guitar solo> On a sunday afternoon spent in Camden I give myself a headache boy. So I take revenge in stories and in dreaming of last night when we're on stage "have you seen the loveliless of the middle London fun-ers" When we shopped for food and looked around I left the town I had to go I walked to the station I wish I could have stayed just another night. I was unsure about going down to London right up until just before I left for the train, but I was very glad I went :-) You were all so great. Thank you DJs for playing some top tunes including that moldy peaches song 3 times, I definitely remembered the first time, I remembered Travis Cocker dancing to Do you remember the first time too, for the first time. And Chris Cabbage for giving me directions in finding the illusive pub, which enabled me to later help a lovely girl finding that illusive pub and looked clever. And then on Saturday afternoon I listened to a live performance of Ben Apps' band with the world famous 4-string guitar and it was rather good. Got home finally at Saturday evening to get ready for having dinner with my parents' friends who I don't actually know, and so was potentially very boring, I went there and it wasn't boring at all. It was just mind dumbingly dull and I learnt about these rich people's skiing holidays whilst thinking that I could have been drinking in London still. Ah well :-) Moldy Peaches and Red Bulls Ken ========================================= Red Bull Dozers http://www.cockscrew.com/rbd +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Seneca? No, that's my mutha!
by eric the half a bee 14 Oct '01

14 Oct '01

so! two posts in a little over a week. oh man, something's going on. what that could be, I really don't know. what am I talking about, anyway? I just woke up, I'm confused. help! mr. asm walton said "This week was the first week of the best days of my lives, apparently. University, that is. Some would say that I'm living the dream, and at the moment I think I might concur." awwwww! our little boy is all grown up and ready to take on the big scary world! *sniff* boy, does this make me feel old. I'm in my last year at college, which in american is the fourth year, which means I'll be 21 soon, and able to drink alcohol legally, which is sort of exciting, but I still feel old, and this sentence has gotten out of control, hasn't it? which reminds me of a joke I heard once: "'I don't want to die! I want to finish my book!' 'you're writing a book?' 'no, I'm reading one'". I think it was on "perfect strangers". thank goodness for bad 80s sitcoms. you know, sitcoms ain't what they used to be. they're all "realistic" and "serious" now... which is just a load of crap. speaking of which, in "paper boat", what exactly is the church of jesus saves? episcopalian, anglican, what? I'm putting my money on baptist... they're crazy, those baptists. you gotta love em. right, so I'm off to buy a newspaper and read about more FBI warnings about how we're all gonna die. cheers, eric ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: I'm living the dream...
by Sam Walton 14 Oct '01

14 Oct '01

...or something. Hello boys and girls. This week was the first week of the best days of my lives, apparently. University, that is. Some would say that I'm living the dream, and at the moment I think I might concur. Joe Vester said: >>SAM WALTON, Is that you in NME this week? Talking about Oasis and >>saying >>they're no good now? Indeed it is me. Page 23 of the NME this week features a quote from Sinister's very own Asm. However, the bastards have actually mis-quoted me, because what I said was actually referring to the Earl's Court gigs in 1995, not 97, because, as everybody knows, Britpop was rilly grate, but by 97 Oasis were already shit. I find it very comforting that I have already been mis-quoted by the NME, and I haven't even got a record deal yet. I spent last night deejaying with select members of the York Sinister Massive, which was amusing in the extreme. Taking the piss has never been so much fun, as we played The Asthmatic Gerbil's twee-est song, and then Pills by Prml Scrm (the one that just goes "Fuck! Sick! Fuck! Sick!" straight after. Other records included Judy Is Dick Slap, and bizarre Japanese novelty records selected by Mummy I've Grazed My Knee, which were, in the most parts, big piles of wank. A splended time was had by all. In a perfect twist of fate, the girl I currently fancy is an evangelical Christian. It's always the way with me... love Asm.x P.S. William McKenzie and the inimitable Brier Random are the lucky winners of a year's supply of respeck, for correctly answer that the follow on line to "Dude Shaved Me Bare Gave Me A Lollipop", is actually, "On my head there's nothing but stubble/Man I hate being in deep deep trouble". ================= "He's strictly a pain in the ass, but he certainly has a good vocabulary" - Holden Caulfield _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: the hour is gone, but the seconds linger...
by Ernie Sanchez 14 Oct '01

14 Oct '01

Hello you little charmers! This is my first post on Sinister, although Ive been out of the nursery for a few months and had an overdose of Chu and Llew, which can be a fatal combination if youre right out of the nursery at a young age. Took some time to recover. However, I survived and am now in posting mode. However Im not very good with words. And if anyone remembers the pictures from the LA Sinister picnic in June, my looks dont make me someone that can be fancied, so I doubt that the Sinister list crush mummy will be contacting me anytime soon. Perhaps Ill have to go back to lurkerdom after this post. Heres my introduction: male, 20, Los Angeles. Well, I actually live about 30-40 minutes north of L.A. I seem to share musical tastes with most people on the list here, and was extremely excited to hear my beloved Lift to Experience and Pernice Brothers get mentions in previous posts. My list of favorites is too long to mention (just ask Rachel Cornflake!) but I suppose Id be open to make anybody a mix tape or cd. I just made her a mix, and she told me that it was brilliant. Well, I guess that last statement was to hopefully arouse some interest with the Wills and Rachels of this list to recruit me as an honorary member of their team to contribute to the mix competition. Will Salt, if you havent defected to the Rachels and become porridge yet, Id like to join your team. I know your real last name is Salt, but perhaps I can be Will Pepper? Hopefully this name hasnt been taken, as I subscribe to the digest version so Im not always up to date on these things. Alright, the main purpose of this post: I wanted to give my Belle and Sebastian live show reviews! I know that the concerts were slightly over a month ago, and they are slowly fading away from my immediate memory, but I dont recall having read any detailed reviews of any shows with the exception of the wonderful LA shows. They are still definitely something I won't forget in the near future (hence the title of this email)I went to both LA shows, but as other people have already shared their experiences (with words far better than what mine would have been), I figured that Id talk about the San Francisco shows. Although I should mention that Im the Ernie that Rachel Cornflake spoke about in her concerts post. After meeting up with her after the show (I was all by my lonesome during the actual concert) we got the chance to meet a few members of the band. I didnt know what to ask them, but I managed to get Stevie and Stuart to sign my ticket and give me a hug. Strange, but by Stuarts slight frame, I would have thought that he would have a better hugging technique. Yet I found Stevie to put more love into his hug, and his arm motion was smoother, so I would say that Stevie is my preferred hugger of the two. Didnt know what else to say to Stuart, but I stuck around for a short while and was far too happy when I got home. After that, it was on to the San Francisco shows! The drive up there was nice, but I couldnt leave until Saturday at noon, so I wasnt able to attend the meetup. However the actual shows themselves more than made up for this! The Saturday show started with everyone on stage except for Mr. Murdoch. Sarah and Isobel started talking, little did I know (although I shouldve had the clue, as the original starts this way) that they were going to do Leader of the Pack which was made famous by the Shangri-Las! Stuarts entrance was timed to coincide with the first motorcycle vroom in the song. He came out on a motorcycle, in his little white t-shirt and tight pants, but he had on a pair of black sunglasses, choker and hat! His attempt to look tough was a good one, and this was hilarious! They proceeded to play an amazing set, probably my favorite of the 4 shows I attended. Heres the setlist I came up with from the recording I made: 1. leader of the pack (Shangri-Las) 2. le pastie de la bourgeoisie 3. theres too much love 4. the magic of a kind word 5. i fought in a war 6. my wandering days are over 7. jonathan david 8. slow graffiti 9. the model 10. the boy with the thorn in his side (Smiths) 11. simple things 12. the boy with the arab strap 13. the fox in the snow 14. family tree 15. the state that i am in 16. dirty dream #2 (with Rachel Cornflake on spoken word vocals!) 17. the wrong girl (first couple lines sung in the style of Johnny Cash, but then Stevie stopped and the regular version was played) 18. womans realm 19. legal man 20. everyday people (Sly & the family stone) The whole performance was wonderful, definitely my favorite show of the 4. Of course the Smiths cover was great too! Stevie asked for requests, and I heard a few Smiths requests. I was going to yell something out, as I still have a dream of seeing them perform a Left Banke song, some of the covers that they did at the Nice N Sleazy show earlier this year (Rhinestone Cowboy, Pretty Vacant) or A Day in the Life by the Beatles (Stu does the Lennon bit, Stevie the McCartney bit, Beans messes up on the keyboards in between the bits. This would be brilliant!). However, I stayed quiet but hearing the Smiths cover was as good as my requests. They had an audience member sing most of the words, as Stuart couldnt remember them all, and the audience member blew us all away! He sang the song perfectly! I must say that I have much more respect for the rest of the band after seeing them onstage. Isobels backing vocals on Le pastie just gives me the chills every time I listen to a live recording, and Sarahs voice is splendid. Everyone performed exactly as heard on the albums, and the sound was mixed perfectly, I was so impressed! Alright, this post is much too long now, and I havent even given as many comments as Id like on this show. Should go now, but I havent even mentioned the Sunday show yet! As everyone has probably skipped my email, and congratulations to anyone if he/she has read this much, I promise Ill get back soon with information on the Sunday show. Cheers and hugs, Ernie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. 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Sinister: front cover
by philip boucher 14 Oct '01

14 Oct '01

Hi, sorry if someone has posted this before I get the latest digest, but this is the front cover of the upcoming belle and sebastian single.... http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B...01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg I think its horrid to be honest, oh well. love mr phil. p.s. hello Ernie :) you did it! http://philip_boucher.tripod.com/philipboucher/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: chicago
by toadie291＠home.com 13 Oct '01

13 Oct '01

hey everyone. elise and the crew are a bit behind schedule due to weather and so on so the best bet is to call my cell before going anywhere to meet. thanks ~stine +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: chicag one last time
by toadie291＠home.com 13 Oct '01

13 Oct '01

hey all. as of 1136 cdt i believe we are meeting at navy pier round 230ish. in front of the childrens museum main enterance. if you have any questions or cant find us call my cell # at 630.781.7620 have a toadie day ~stine +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: I want to be a part of it...Dundee, Dundee
by Lynsey Callaghan 13 Oct '01

13 Oct '01

Hello sinister, Firstly and most importantly: ********************************************************************************************************* DUNDEE RENDEZVOUS NEWSFLASH!!! For anyone who's interested, we'll be meeting in Dundee train station at 2pm on Saturday 20th October. We haven't decided where we're going yet, but it will most likely involve a pub and a lovely dog (assuming that those two things can be successfully combined in Dundee, otherwise, it will involve a lovely dog and somewhere that's like a pub, but more canine-friendly). Rachel Sunnyset has already sent out an email, but in case anyone missed it, any interested parties can email either of us off list: sunnie_set(a)hotmail.com u07lec(a)abdn.ac.uk and let us know if you're coming, or have any ideas for where to go. Rachel knows things about trains too, if you're not overly familiar with the wonders of GNER. She's very organised, you know. ********************************************************************************************************** Sorry for the large letters and excessive use of symbols, but the excitement of a more northerly sinister meet-up warrants it all. The other day, a friend of mine had a party at his flat; it was his birthday. In between eating Mini Cheddars and drinking wine, I went outside for a cigarette. (He lives in a block of posh, new flats, so there's even a porch to stand under when smoking. How thoughtful). Standing outside, I was unavoidably just beside someone else's window, and the curtains were open. (Now, I know I shouldn't look in people's windows, my mother always told me off for it and slapped my wrists, but I still do it, and I know everyone else does too, so don't all look at me so disapprovingly! ) Through the window I could see a gramophone sitting on a big wooden table; the window was open slightly, and there was some beautiful (what sounded like) eastern European folk music. It was cool and breezy standing outside, and the stars were out, and I was happy. Often, I hate living in this city, it's so far away from everything and everyone else. But sometimes I have days where I spend more time looking at things, and listening to things, and it turns out it's not such a bad place to be after all. My new flat has an amazing view. From the windows in the front room (of which we have several), we look out over a graveyard, which stretches right down to the road, and carries on past the road on the other side. Behind the graveyard is a big hill, I think it's called Broad Hill, with a bench on top, where you can go and sit in the wind, with broken Buckfast bottles under your feet, and watch kids playing football, or watch people at the driving range, or watch cars driving along the road that passes beside the beach. Beyond the hill, you can see the sea, and in the morning you can look out and see the sunrise, and watch the great, hulking ships come in all day. My bedroom looks out onto an ugly warehouse that houses a sign design business, but I guess I just have to deal with that. Maybe I should relocate to the front room on a permanent basis. I'll consult my flatmate. (I don't think she'll approve). I spent the whole summer wishing I was back at university, and now that I am back, I'm wishing it was summer again. I seem to be spending a large proportion of my time either in #sinister, or avoiding the computer rooms at university so that I don't end up in #sinister. This is very bad. It may be a good way of passing the time during the day, but it sure as hell won't get me a degree. Unfortunately. Erm....that's it. But come to Dundee. Everyone's doing it. Lyns ------------ Lynsey Callaghan u07lec(a)abdn.ac.uk +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: and me just feelin fine
by Kirsten Kenyon 13 Oct '01

13 Oct '01

today was full of yelling and harsh words and a constant pounding coming from the second-story bathroom, where two small women were attempting to retile a shower. i took off early for work and went to the village popcorn wagon and probably looked rather silly sitting in the windy garden in my parka, huddled next to the bonfire and quietly enjoying a cherry icee. but it was lovely...no hammering sounds, just the crackling fire and the occasional train whistle. there were some high school boys talking silliness. they sounded like my old friends....well. señor frahm, my high school spanish teacher, used to make his students choose new names for themselves to use during class. i shouldn't say "used to..." i'm sure he still does it. i was 'olga' every semester, because it reminded me of big underwear. my brother went by a random set of numbers and letters, or sometimes 'joey gladstone.' elizabeth made a certain teacher refer to her by means of a specific series of clicking sounds made in the back of the throat. anyway...some of us used to secretly call señor frahm "El Huevo," and mr. gilbert was "The Pear." this was not very nice, but i must say it was always a treat when El Huevo and The Pear happened to be standing next to each other. it was almost a picnic, if only there's been a teacher shaped like a bottle of wine. or a can of red bull. something...it was silly. i got up and went back to the diner for more coffee and heard "america" on the radio. is that the name of the song? i don't know. for some reason, it reminded me of the itchy polyester uniforms we had to wear for the new berlin youth softball league. i played right field, because all of the kids who are god-awful at softball always...well, very few eight-year-old girls hit to right field. i would usually entertain myself by picking dandelions, occasionally glancing up with a dopey look on my face to make sure that the other team was still at bat. i think that song is supposed to make you think about things like itchy softball uniforms. wait, am i engaged to ken chu? kirsten, wondering what sort of food she resembles Care2 make the world greener! http://www.care2.com - Get your Free e-mail account that helps save Wildlife! +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: updated B&S-site.
by Astrid Wiezell 13 Oct '01

13 Oct '01

Actually mine. Er.. yes. http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/darling I´ve updated the about me, links and, er, that´s it. I dunno if this is list abuse, but if it is, I´m sorry, but please visit this and be a good sinisteree and write a story for me. Big kisses, Astrid _________________________________________s_p_r_a_y_ Här börjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet på http://www.spray.se Ny chatt på Spray! Fartyget M/S Spray har anlänt till http://www.spray.se/ohoj +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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