March 2001 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: Child is father to the man...
by Walkn10＠aol.com 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

It is slowly nearing springtime in my neck of the woods; the days are growing longer and the grass and trees are greener each day. Pretty soon the sweaters will begin gathering dust for a season or two, and all the weights I've lifted this winter will hopefully make my biceps look suitably swoon inducing. Regardless, I'm really beginning to hate it here with a passion, because as someone said in American Graffiti, "Why are all the women in this town ugly or have boyfriends?" Like most small towns, or mediocre cities with decent aspirations, everything is quite cyclical and repetitive...you meet the same three kinds of girls in the local bars and your relationship inevitably follows the same path as the last few, everyone drinks the same beer, wears the same clothes, etc. As a way of keeping some semblance of hope amidst the drudgery, I've decided to study abroad in Rome for a semester as soon as my college will allow it. Even if I have to take typing or cooking or somethi! ! ng, I WILL BE IN ROME before too long. My weakness for Italian women compels me. Rome listees, mail me if you get a few moments. I recently got a copy of the Beach Boys' "Smile," burned in its correct running order, per Brian Wilson's last memo to Capitol before scrapping the album. With apologies to Mr. Kado in advance, I've always felt this was brilliant, blessed collection of tunes but once you hear the progression of the songs as Wilson intended, it just boggles the mind with the intricacy and foresight. I would love to have heard it on vinyl with Cabinessence closing the first side, only to have Good Vibrations beging the second. Pure brilliance. Drunken and heavy-hearted... Steve C. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Names and March
by ROBERT DONLAN 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

Names? Hmm.. I really like Anna, always have done. Boys are harder because they don't interest me as much but i Nick, Chris and Pete are as good as any. Gordon is quite nice and rare. God the sun is starting to come out in Liverpool, in March, hopefully this means things are gonna start getting better. Does anyone else thing March is the most confusing month. Its hard to explain but it is. Everyone has got used to the new year and is waiting around for things to happen... for the summer to come. I bet a lot of relationships end in March and i bet a lot start. Bring on April so i can try and work out what is going on in my life. Simple Troubadour. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: 3,6,9 seconds of Ribena ranting, Big Brother and detoxing.
by ribena-queen 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

Hello again (I could get addicted to this) I am, it has to be said, suitably chuffed by the support out there from Ribena addicts like myself. I could do with your help sometimes in Jeepster chat, where the Ribena debate comes up almost daily courtesy of yours truly. Some of the comparisons I get are unbelieveable!!! Robinsons: Piss from the last Steps fan in hell. I am SICK of my family, who consistently try to poison me with this stuff by pretending it's Ribena. Where's the similarity?? They're both reddy pink, but that's it. Vimto: An anagram of vomit. Surely this tells you something. Red Bull: Students drink this in order to stay up all night and write essays. It's traditionally habit forming, whereas it takes years of hardcore drinking to become addicted to Ribena. Any twat can get high on caffeine. Any other squash drink: These actually make me MORE thirsty, thus defeating the object of drinking. Interesting phenomenon. Vodka: Rather nice if mixed with Ribena (evidence of this concoction stained on my living room carpet under the rug, shhh ;o) ), otherwise just another excuse for teen angst oblivion. This is why if they ever stopped making Ribena (ARGH) I would be forced to suicide. At my age you're expected to drink coffee, tea and alcohol. I have a problem with caffeine which means tea and coffee are out, and alcohol also gives me heart palpitations. Plus I dislike alcohol intensely. So I'll just sit and wait for the day that pubs wake up and start serving Ribena. Another common argument is the "It rots your teeth" one. Yes, admittedly if you fail to clean your teeth regularly it probably would. But I have drunk Ribena all 19 years of my life, and my dentist informs me I have "perfect" teeth. Back to the corner, O vile haters of the holy drink. I have to say I object to all those damn Ribena berries. They were brought in to promote Toothkind (DON'T get me started), and they're purpley blue. What's that all about?? Go and put a small amount of Ribena on something white and you will see it is in fact pink. Not purple. Not blue. And they have ears!! EH?? All the same, I did adopt one called Roger. I think this was rather brave of me after the incident when I was six involving blackcurrants and my arm getting broken. But we won't talk about that now. If everyone drank Ribena the world would be a much better place. The only complaint I have about it is that it stains. But I think this could make a rather interesting fashion statement. Okay, enough of that. I have been avidly watching the celebrity Big Brother. I don't know the correct procedure for starting up a debate, but I would love to hear other listees suggestions for the ULTIMATE celeb Big Brother, not the watered down pants version we are having to endure. In mine would be Eminem, Liam Gallagher, Chris Evans, Richard Maddeley, Gail Porter, Trisha, Charlotte Church and the Queen. Can you imagine??? *giggles at the hilarious ensuing consequences* Oh heehee I'm so evil! I wanted to put Declan Swan in as well (courtesy of Claims Direct's shit advert on in every break. I'll give him a fucking reason to wear glasses, grrrr) but he is not really a celeb. Let's be selective about this. My mum has today started a detox diet. It's so funny, all she's eating is dried apricots and sunflower seeds! I think I'll put her in a cage in the garage. With some nice straw of course. I have a new game. I flick through the channels on TV or radio making sentences out of each snippet. "condoms are hard to talk about"/ "while being greased by a herd of buffalo"/ "in a huge vat of melted cheese" was probably the best so far. "Laugh? Laugh? I nearly went to Ethiopia!" (c) Alexei Sayle. *puts on a Clash t-shirt and watches Trisha* Ever get the feeling that life is just passing you by? Lucy xoxo +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: I'll never muss a crease in your blue serge pants...I never get the chance
by Jennifer Gray 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

Friends, Romans, Sinisters: Ahhhh, today was the first really beautiful day of the year, and we had a picnic by the magnolia tree in my parents front yard. It was quite picturesque--the daffodils starting to bloom, the first blades of green grass pushing through the withered corpses of their ancestors. The Happy Reaper wrote: "Jennifer Grey said that she uses the light-switch ruse to stop people seeing her body. I have been with two girls who did that... and, through some ruse or other (can't remember what) I managed to get them to turn the light on. Both had very attractive bodies...a little round perhaps, but a little round is nice... much better than too thin." I don't really use that ruse anymore now that I'm married, but I used to always try it. And darn it, the boys *always* have a counter-ruse to get the lights back on! I dislike my own roundness, but I agree that it is better than too thin. Someone once told me that 5 lbs overweight looks better than 5 lbs underweight, and it becomes more true the larger the number. In regard to the MP3 thing, I still think that it is the bands perogative to control their songs. Someone...the Pickle Prince?...said that they thought music should be free. Well, yes, in a Utopia where food, lodging, etc. are also free. But...if music were free, then being a musician would not be a viable career choice. And as long as there are bills to be paid, why shouldn't someone make a living from doing what they love (if they can)? I mean, if professional musicians all had to have day jobs, then their musical output would be pretty scant. Just my opinion. Jenny Janitoria __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: yippie yar yippie yey!
by Hannah Brown 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

hello you beautiful people Well i must say you all seem fantastic and its a great sense of false security knowing that when i come back from holiday next week there will be mountains of messages for me. On the subject of dreams i had a classic one afew days ago. It was phillip scofield on stage-trying desperatly to mime to jamiroquai, he was prancing around like a chicken and looking quite ridiculous. Im going to share my emarrasment with you all now. I did a gig for the first time the other day and it was a true nightmare. Me on guitar, 3 friends on synths and a nag ( a guitar with the end sawn off and strings replaced with, well, buttons). Our opening song was suppose to be a up beat catchy number but my guitar just kept slipping out of tune, my mate decided he loved it and cranked up the sound. The whole evening carried on like this, with my friend trying to make a noise out of a slinky and a metal tube. I got the giggles cause we were so shit and when i looked up everyone had left. Only one person seemed to like it and compared us to "god speed you black emporer", i think he felt sorry for us. HMM, looks like its back to the drawing board for me. By the way, does anyone here like "For Carnation" i think they're fab and would like to share this fabness. muchstuff hannah +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Judy has a need, a need for sweet revenge
by Sweetie Something 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

sinister how r we all?? i am fine fine and happy to be posting with my brand spanking new offline add im sitting here with 2 bits of paper in front of me they r my day notes they tell me what to post about firstly (this isnt in my day notes, but i remember) does any glasgow, central belt even, listees fancy seeing Gay Dad wednesday the 21st of this month in king tuts?? i am very very desperate to go but i have no one to go with :( on with the day note assisted post i am back as i have mentioned, with my new add happy,that i can read sinister offline sad that i had to unsub my old add i dont know why it was sad but it was but it inspired me to look back at all my unread posts which there was quite alot of (about 524 i think) i read one by iain radcliffe and he was talking about flares and how they trail and oh how they do! but that trailing leads only to effect i also read about honey and i have to say i support and love honey :) (thanx again honey! xox) RIBENA: im not a big fan esp not for the diluting stuff cartons r ok i like strawberry best i think but nah ribena, nothing special Dr Pepper on the other hand.... WOW: the cooper temple clause played at the engine room last friday (ooh it was cool to see a tour bus sitting outside!) theyre on a uk tour id advise everyone to go and see them theyre brilliant! definately worth going to see! i had my tum button pierced 2x more the other week i have named them lefty and righty unless i, or anyone else out there, can think of anything better now onto: ========== THE CIRCLE ========== the following parts of my post are in a circle each linking to the next and the last linking to the first (starting and ending with dc) (it even has a bit of B&S content...sort of...) DC: i was in work the other day and i said something about the divine comedy (who i am going to see again next sunday) and jen from work said 'i dont like them, cant stand them actually' i tried to tell her that she had heard very little of their work but she wouldnt listen and kept saying they were terrible its terrible but i really do get quite offended when people dis them i walked off the shop floor covering my ears saying 'NO NO NO NO' rather loudly WORK: my boss says she is going to start having me work on the shop floor because i have a "nice manner" apparantly NICE AND THE PARTY i went to a party a few weeks ago and i tried to argue that i am not a nice person with colin (colin, spyro and i were the only 3 that had stayed up) at 8am in the morning he however insisted that i was nice whether i liked it or not so i have decided to try and grow a mean streak its not going very well but im working on it THAT PARTY AND COLIN i also had an argument earlier in the night with colin about twee i was arguing that my watch (a flower shape with a yellow face) was twee, he was arguing that it was not his idea of twee, though, is somewhat different from most other peoples (and the dictionary definition) anyway, even if my watch isnt twee(it is though), its as twee as im ever going to get THE PARTY AND TWEE i met a b&s fan there! (it was a b/day party, but i rotate in alternative circles- theyre all rockers, metal heads or 'moshers' if u like, the last thing i was expecting to come across was a b&s fan!) i was talking about music with someone, and how i am not into the sort of music people expect me to be into and listed some bands i liked then this boy standing in the corner who i think had been quite quiet until this point said "belle and sebastian!" i thought he was going to dis them but no "whats ur favourite album!" he asked quite excitedly :) MORE SURPRISES AT THE PARTY one of the guys that live in the flat has a divine comedy cd! an early one as well!! (for those who r familiar- promenade) ========== END OF CIRCLE ========== END OF POST your friend always the pop singers fear sweetie xox icq #42242252 msn messanger something_sinister(a)hotmail.com AOL instant messanger: IIIsecondcreep *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* If I wasn't psychotic I would never have found my true self. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Dear Diary... (Unnecessarily long).
by M. Timothy Meskers 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Hello folks, Hope you're doing well. It's a beautiful afternoon, the birds are singing. And I am on my computer, posting to Sinister. How was everyone else's weekend? (I suppose a more appropriate time to post about my weekend would've been Sunday evening, but pah to convention.) ---begin skimming "Our weekend was keen, Timothy- really a great time. How was yours?" Well, since you asked, my weekend wasn't too shoddy at all, despite its shaky origins. Friday evening I was supposed to see a play with Scottie from Another Fiasco, and we were going to go shopping beforehand. I was so excited; as it is a rare occasion that AF Scottie and I are ever able to spend time together because of our conflicting schedules. So I was hanging about waiting for him to pick me up, when the phone rang. I picked it up with my usual shy hello, expecting Scott to be on the other end. But it was a girl whose voice was unfamiliar. I was very excited, 'cause I don't get many calls, let alone from girls. "Hi...is Tim there?" "(cough) Yes, this is Tim." "Tim!" "Yeah.. who's this?" "This is your manager. You're half an hour late for work." Mmm, I thought. This must've been some sort of mistake. But it wasn't, and I was actually late for work. So my mother sped me to work after I called Scott to cancel. The girl before me had put Lenny Kravitz's greatest hits in, and I'm sorry to the Lenny Kravitz fans on this list (or Lenny Kravitz himself) but I'm not really a fan. So that sort of added to my aggravation. Then I had to the cards in the Soul section for much of the rest of the evening. My other manager told me she'd heard of some group called Kings of Convenience, and how we'd just gotten a new one in, and on the new release sheet it described them as "instantly appealing to fans of Belle & Sebastian and Nick Drake." So that sort of piqued my curiousity a bit, cause I instantly thought of the list. Could anyone recommend/warn me about purchasing this? Err, right. So work was dry. I stayed out too late after work and I forget what I did. But I had to help open the next morning so I was suitably tired. Got out quickly on Saturday and went to another show after I got some carrotcake at Square One. Carrotcake is great food. The show was great, I saw lots of familiar faces and got some great stuff from 91.7, The 'Ville. Some girl hugged me, I think by mistake. I saw my friend Mike from 107 Steps and Ben from Vincent Price's Orphan Powered Death Machine. (What a great named for a band. Vincent Price's Orphan Powered Death machine...) AF Scott was there too so I was able to apologize in person for the shafting I'd given him the previous night, and All American Radio put on a good show, but not as good as when we (formerly Secret Agent X-9) opened for them. They had crazy lights. They were colored. And louder. My friend Nate won the "grand prize" of two tickets to see Vertical Horizon. He hates Vertical Horizon, but he really wanted those tickets. He likes doing weird things, so we'll probably end up heading out to see them next Sunday. Mm, good times.. we got home late that night/early the next morning and had a great night. I also found out the The (International) Noise Conspiracy (ex-Refused) was playing a show in the states. Hooray! If any folks of the Sinister persuasion will be attending, be sure to let me know. Although T(I)NC's music is quite a bit different than B&S. Sunday I worked. ---end skimming Anyways, enough of my online catharsis. I just had to tell someone about my exciting weekend, so I figured why not tell fifteen hundred people that I don't know? ...Marikka. 81. EIGHTY-ONE. I'm just going to shake my head. I did not catch that and it's probably better that I didn't. I'm green with envy, Ozma are so good.. I had wanted to hug Rivers, but I'd hug any of them, as well. I'd love to attend their CD release party. And yes, you're right. Rivers probably is the only one who'd be guarded. My friend Anthony (of 3/5 The Former, who played with the Spacetwins in CA) said when he saw them last year Rivers was wearing some sort of wig/beard when he ran through the crowd. Interesting guy. Have a blast at the show... ...Rinaldo and Mike K. I don't remember what you said specifically but I know it was about Weezer. If you do get to see them, have a blast. They put on a great show. (If anyone else is curious about my Weezer experience, e-mail me and I'd be obliged to send it out.) ...Thanks to Desmond & Angel for the book recommendations. I was able to order some book about Hideous Men from the library by that Allen fellow but not the Girl With the Curious Hair. I may have to purchase Filth 'cause the libraries don't have it. ...ArtsyDeco, Denny's. What an interesting place. All the indie/emo/punkrock kids used to go there, back in the day. Around here at least. Is it a national phenomenon? I went there on Christmas Eve with my friend Nate. I used to go there often, I even knew most of the "trons" there. Hm, that takes me back. I am very jealous of all the UKers out there, always having parties, and shows, and get-togethers... even a club that has Pixies nights. You folks have really got it good, maybe someday I'll make it across the pond. But for now I think an American Sinister get-together would be really enjoyable (road trip, anyone?). If anyone can get it off the ground, keep the list posted, for sure! But that's all for now, I do believe I have broken the fifteen minute rule. Mm, sorry about that. THe day is still beautiful but it is dwindling, and I'd like to spend some of it outside. First I must do the wash. Humbly yours, Timothy. xoxo p.s. I heard that group Camera Obscura the other day, how (if they are at all) are they related to B&S? Was that Stuart the B&S teddybear that was helping them with their sound equipment? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Remind Me Of Guitars
by P F 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Edna's busting out all over. The other day she and I walked around what pretended to be a roundabout. We weren't fooled. Were we? In the distant traffic's boom. No the traffic was near It was a Traffic Island. On an island with Edna, we never even mentioned 'Ocean Pie'. I once heard a poetry editor claim that Rick Witter had said he wanted a slice of such pie. He (Witter) didn't, really: but note that the wilful 'error' is more gleefully memorable than the reality. Anyway, channels had operated. Wheels had spun. Factors were in play. If you catch my drift. And Edna had a copy of THE PARANOIDS. Sorry. I mean, THE NEGATIVES. I had expected that she and I might agree about this one. The best LP of 2000, and all that. Even Peter Miller thinks it better than 'Hyacinths & Thistles'. Gosh, so do I, come to that. It doesn't contain '!Volcana!', for one thing. But EW was having none, no, not none, little of it. She likes 'Vin Ordinaire'. Of all things. You'd doubt it; you'd doubt, she exclaimed, that Lloyd could write such a song now, and retain any self-respect. It's a good point. But has he? I really don't agree that 'VO' - no, let me give it its full glory: 'Vin Ordinaire' - is as good as this LP gets. I pointed out that 'Past Imperfect', 'That Boy' and 'Man On The Verge' were the best cuts. Buses roared by. The movement of the clouds was slow, even imperceptible. Someone, somewhere, ate a steak. Buses, yes, police cars, fans, replica shirts. Someone, somewhere, caught a train from Wycombe. Edna turned to me as though in slow motion. 'Man On The Verge', she laughed, the laughter peppering her sentence like artillery fire, is the worst thing on there. We never spoke again. Like that time in the magma club, when we had other names. You remember. No? No matter. We did really. Edna conceded that perhaps she hears these things differently, for one guitar explosion sounds much like another to her. The sky had darkened without our noticing. Even now we didn't notice it. Inside, Carsmile Steve arrived in a sudden bundle. Someone told him he was getting younger by the day. Again. I think she's trying to hug her soul. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Re: MP3s of the University gig
by Joe Chip 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Am I the only one to completely disagree with Neil here? > From: "Neil Robertson" <belleandsebastian(a)email.msn.com> > Organization: Banchory Management > Reply-To: "Neil Robertson" <belleandsebastian(a)email.msn.com> > Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:53:33 -0000 > To: "sinister" <sinister(a)missprint.org> > Subject: Sinister: Fw: MP3s of the University gig > > Right. About the MP3s. > Firstly, I don't think Jeepster even know the MP3s were up. It wasn't > their decision to get them taken down. It was the band that wanted them > removed. Put quite simply, the MP3s were a pish recording of a patchy > gig. Chris himself admitted he'd plugged the mic into the the wrong > hole on his minidisc. > > Pickle Prince, this has fuck all to do with money or commodities or > Napster or anything like that. Most of us were well in favour of > Napster, and some used it regularly. I agree that ideas are free, but > if the person who had the idea decides it wasn't a good one, and > decides not to disseminate it, surely that's their freedom? All your > talk of artistic freedom is total bollocks if it doesn't include the > artist's right to decide what is a finished piece of work, and what is > an experiment that isn't fit to be made available under their name. It was a public performance wasn't it? They can't take it back. They can't wipe people's brains can they? Please, no, not the mind probe! > The point is that the band have the right to have some control over how > they are presented. If we'd like something to be made available, and > think it is good enough for people to hear, then we'll make it > available. Fine, but that's got nothing to do with someone recording a gig and passing it on to other fans. There's a long and distinguished history of bootlegging, with or without the artist's blessing (Stuart: if you want to swap Stereolab shows, let me know). Plus, I'm sure there's plenty of art appreciated by the Sebastians that wasn't released according to the artist's wishes and personal judgement. The Trial appears on the cover of If You're Feeling Sinister; didn't Kafka ask for all his writings to be destroyed when he died? Didn't they use the recording of the Troggs bickering as an intro tape? > For instance, there's the "Black Sessions" CD. I don't know > who is manufacturing it Um, everyone who gets a copy? > so I couldn't stop them even if I wanted to, > but it's not too bad. You see it about quite a bit. I've got a copy of > it. I almost wish there wasn't an MP3 of "Middle Distance Runner" going > around. That's a song that's not finished, because it's not very good > the way it is now. Which is a perfect example of why you don't get to decide which songs we choose to share! The band are free to control what they release. You're free to your opinion. We're free to share whatever we want to listen to. > It will come out at some point, and it will be much > better then. We'll be the judge of that! > But we made the mistake of giving it to the BBC to play > for a special. And played it at just about every gig too, c'mon... > We put it in the public domain, and we live with the > consequences of that. Fair enough. "Lord Anthony" isn't finished yet > either, but we haven't gone chasing people over that, so to suggest > we've gone all fascist is obviously nonsense. It's patronising to suggest we treat the first version we hear as the best/only possible version and won't judge a future release on its own merits. > But the MP3s of last week's gig were totally shite. Like Middle Distance Runner? Again, let us be the judge. Sure it's understandable for members of the band to be embarrassed about a poor performance, but if they're not careful, by overreacting they could get a reputation for being precious! H-ha! > It was a bit of fun > on a Wednesday afternoon, which the band spent about an hour rehearsing > for. It was hopefully fun if you were there, but having heard the > recording of it I can safely say it's probably not something anyone > would put on to listen to of an evening. Ever thought of going into politics? I'm sure there's room in government for someone to help civilians know what they want by telling them what to do. > We don't think they're of any > value whatsoever, so we don't want them available. It's an artistic > decision, and if you can't respect our right to that, then hard luck. So there's no chance of them joining Yo La Tengo for the upcoming WFMU radio charity session (where listeners phone in with requests of songs for them to cover... unrehearsed Good Vibrations anyone? - try Napsta'). > I mean, it's hardly fucking Metallica is it? We don't have teams of > lawyers searching the 'net 24 hours a day. Just one grouchy Legal Man? 'Hardly Fucking Metallica?!' Hold on a minute while I scrawl that on the men's room wall... > But Chris is a friend of the > band so we've asked him nicely to take it down and he's done so. > > I'm sorry Chris feels like a cunt. I think that's totally unnecessary. > As I said, Chris is a friend of the band, and I feel bad making him > look like a scapegoat, because he has done both myself and the band > several favours in the past, and we owe him far more than he owes us. > No-one's angry with him or anything. No harm done. > > I'm sorry to the people who couldn't be at the gig. I can understand > people wanting to hear what the gig sounded like, especially since it's > been so long, and people very rarely get the chance to hear the band > live. But there will be plenty of gigs later in the year. > > Doubtlessly some people won't be able to make these either, so if a decent > recording of a decent gig gets posted up, we won't feel so inclined to > have it removed. But if they don't think they've played well enough there'll be hypno-councelling booths available after the show to reshape everyone's memories to the official ideal... > And that's how it is. > Cheers for your time, > > Neil Robertson > neil(a)banchory.net Look, I don't really mean to have a go, but you seem to have had your feathers ruffled and I just feel there's some overreaction going on. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. 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Sinister: Have you heard the one about the three guys and the girl?
by Jeremy Tweddle 12 Mar '01

12 Mar '01

Hello, It's kinda late here and I've been going through the lovely experience of experimenting with windows colour schemes whilst patiently watching my inbox for some more sinister emails. Upon their arrival I was immediately struck by how sad my existence had become, seemingly overnight. Oh well, there was one thing that caught my eye(s) that I felt compelled to respond to... idleberry wrote: > Okay.. I need some suggestions for characters names. Robert, George, Benjamin & Lucinda I wish I could come up with a wonderful reason why those names instantly sprang to mind, but it truly is inexplicable. Isn't lovely what the early morning does to your head... Jeremy +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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