August 2001 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: Belle and Sebastian related post...
by Robin Stout 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

... for once. Lying in bed late night, looking at the place where the lampshade would have been if the lights were on, I decided that I haven't written an email about The Songs of Belle and Sebastian recently. So I've decided to write one. Firstly, I've been wondering whether many people like "Fold Your Hands..." very much because I do and I have a feeling that creeps onto my forehead sometimes that most people don't. I like it more than TBWTAS, even though some of its songs aren't so great. Don't ask me why because I've thought about it and I don't know. It could be the yellow cover. I like that a lot. And the hopeless folly of Beyond the Sunrise I like too. Secondly, I was thinking about the spirituality of B + S and their songs. It's something that's usually only whispered about around here. I think Belle and Sebastian's music has a spiritual element to it that is not explicit but is pretty profound. It is the spirituality I feel when I walk past the Church of This and the Church of That and the Society of Friends off the High Street, that are identical to the dentists and the vets except for their hanging signs - "The Church of This Welcomes You". Like bubbles of radon trapped in their grey, cold stones, this is the spirituality I can hear. It isn't what the songs are about, but is in the leaves if the song sings of trees, and in the glittering spokes if it sings of bikes. And I used to think it might be my record player, but it's somewhere behind the sound as well. Could Struan write these songs without knowing his own spirituality? I don't know. But I think it is a big part of that something that sits in-between the words of the songs that we can't put our fingers on. Jen Owl: >A big part of my holiday story involves illegal things like underage >drinking... "Special" Ribena, I presume... Corduroy Boy Tom: >I work in a box factory and >we make boxes. Big boxes, little boxes, long boxes, brown boxes, white >boxes... fox in socks in cardboard boxes... I've never worked in a box factory, but I did once work at one that had a Box Department. The thing to do is to find a really big box and hide in it. They won't find you for hours. It's almost Sinister's fourth birthday. Is Miss Print going to throw (hurl, possibly) a birthday party? When I was four I cried at my party because someone burst my birthday balloon. But still, to be four is quite an event. Just think, we'll be stringing coherent sentences together soon. I think that on her birthday, as many lurkers should come and knock on Sinister's door as possible. And we can all give them a big collective kiss. Maybe there will be so many emails the list will explode. It'll be just like my birthday balloon. When that balloon burst my heart was on the ceiling. love from Robin PS: I don't much like list arguments, but the current one has been pretty funny to watch. Those crazy Yanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: B&S NEWSFLASH! READ THIS POST!
by Corduroy Boy 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

Sorry for resorting to such lame methods to get your attention but if I have I would like to say: STOP BANGING ON ABOUT TOUR DATES YOU BUGGERS! A few people in Britain expressed a little remorse in one or two posts about towns in which B&S weren't playing, but you Americans, with all due respect, are becoming very very dull, so stop it. After a hard days work the last thing I want is my inbox clogged up with whining, moaning and self pity. America is a whopping great place, how can you possibly expect them to play near you? If you're a true fan, take a freakin' week off work and make it a little holiday. You all have many cool things in America which we do not so stop boing us, please. I really want to hear about cool things from you, tales, stories, juicy gossip, musings, points of view, general banter etc. but at the moment I've got so many posts to br read that if I scan them and see the words "East Coast" I can't hit delete fast enough, so I'm really missing out on the cool things as well. To add to that, I delete other peoples messages who are telling you the same thing as me, which is mega unfair on them. So belt up. SINISTER would (I'm sure) by now exist even if B&S split, it would be a depressing place most probably but we would still talk to each other about cool things. Someone back me up here? Anyway, try not to even mention the Coast, please, and we can all get back to looking forward to reading our bulging inboxes without seeing it as another of today's jobs. I thought about whining to Honey (as I'm sure some have) but I thought I'd tell you sinisterbite to sinisterbite, so see this as a harsh warning. I don't like raising my e-voice, but I, like Miss Jackson, am getting p*ssed off. Yours with a stern, heavy brow Crdryby Tom P.S. I lllove you all, you know that, but children must be whipped as well as cuddled. P.P.S. I saw Bob Geldof at Meadowhall (a shopping centre) the other day. Woo! +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: rain rain go away
by Louise Lee 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

so at least with all this free skint time i can sit in the garden.......and turn a lesser shade of pale.... so like, any one got any interesting money making schemes for the skint such as me? anyone wanna submit something to my site? http://members.tripod.co.uk/room237/index.html humph i'm bored lou http://members.tripod.co.uk/room237/index.html http://www.livejournal.com/~flamingkitties +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Ooh, hark at them
by Marc Bloomfield 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

Hello all, I'm usually nice and quiet and sat in the corner, drinking on my own, hoping someone will come and talk to me, but as it's all got a bit nasty, I thought I'd better write something down. I've never heard the Strokes, and they sound too good to actually be any good (we had this kind of ludicrous NME hype with Terris, and they're a sack of cack), but as they've been the subject of nice e-mails (along with a certain Monsieur Chu), they can't be all bad. I hope Sinister doesn't turn into a competition to see who can write the word 'fuck' the most in one e-mail. It seems to be heading that way. So, despite the fact that all this bickering has aroused strong feelings in me, I'm staying well out of it before I make a tit of myself. You may think I've already done that, in which case, I'm not going to make even more of a tit of myself. Am I the only person who thought the Jonathan David single was a bit crap? I played it once and haven't felt the faintest urge to play it again. Right disappointing. And it cost £4 too. Give me Legal Man anyday. Or any of the other singles, in fact. Just seen this: 'Yeah, when you hear the manager of your favorite sweet little band publicly cussing out a fan, it's kinda disheartening. Whether Julie deserved it or not.' Couldn't agree more. I wasn't going to say anything (as you will have read), but I will say this: I think Julie (and others) are wrong in thinking the band owe them something. I admit, I'd be annoyed if I couldn't see my favourite band, but let's face it, you have to live with it - don't shoot the messenger (ie Neil). My absolute favouritest band is The Smiths, and I've got absolutely zero chance of seeing them! This, however, is life. Neil's response, however, was frankly disgusting, and you'd think someone representing the band would reply with a little more dignity than that. I suppose you could argue that he's tried that and just got abuse back (which was wrong - I don't think he deserved to be the target of everyone's frustration in the first place), but to go so out and out abusive is just out of order. But there you go. I'm probably next in line for a long e-mail full of 'fuck's now, and probably from all sides. Hooray! Anyway, now that I undeniably have made a tit out of myself, I think I'll crawl back under a rock for a while and dodge all the eggs which will doubtless be thrown my way. Stop arguing everyone - it's pointless and unpleasant. Marc +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Admin: PLEASE READ
by honey＠missprint.org 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

All listees please note. The list mums are hereby issuing notice that there's a few too many nearly-flames flying around on the list just now. A "flame" is an inflammatory or personal statement about another list member that is practically guaranteed to incite an angry reaction of equal or stronger proportion. Lots of lists allow flames, or don't specifically rule them out, but the Sinister rules expressly forbid them: Public Enemy Number One. This applies to all list members equally. The lists that allow them sometimes attract fans for a little while, but as the arguments degenerate to two person squabbles, those lists often don't last very long. Sinister's approaching its fourth birthday, bless you all. Please do remember that you agreed to abide by the list rules when you signed up, and flames just won't be tolerated. Miss Print says so. Statements such as the above are often misinterpreted, and the list mums are very tired, so *please* try and understand before you shout about personal liberty: this is not an attempt to quash opinion. Sinister thrives on well-tempered, thoughtful strong opinion. Many of us will have our own opinions about the arguments going on here and the extent to which wires are getting crossed: are we *really* debating the rights and wrongs of a band doing a tour in a particular location? or the more general question of what responsibilities an artist has towards its supporters? or the tone of a particular email? I don't know, but please decide before you mail a response to prolong this thread of conversation, if you have to, and please try and make it a good-natured and open response with something new to say. Treat the list gently, it might break; and make sure you send things to the list you'd like to read, and would continue to read, from 10 other people a day. You get the list you make. There's also a lot of mails coming in at the moment: it's understandable with feelings running high, recent concerts, tours planned, and those mails about Ken jogging naked with a policeman's helmet on. Please therefore be particularly sparing with those send buttons at the moment. People will have a tendency to get fed up, or drop off as they are swamped with mails. While you might like 35 deliciously random mails (or jokes, or one-liners) a day if you've just joined, if you've been getting 35 a day for three years you might appreciate some gentle restraint or special thought just now as to the 1500 receiving your mails. Not that any of you aren't delectable. It's just, we need to sloooow down just now, because previous experience on the list teaches that this is the time when tempers get frayed. Special restraint please, including the tendency to talk about whether we should talk about it. And if you *haven't* ever posted, and are shy but have something thoughtful, or witty, or apposite to say that we might all like, don't let this put you off: you're probably exactly the person who should be chewing their pencil right now and setting to it. Meant kindly. List Mum Honey xx P.S. I said I'd take over again from surrogate list mum Linda in July. It's August. OK, I'm mum again as from this post, but Linda becomes list auntie who will sometimes come around to take you to the park / spank bums gently when required to as per terms and conditions, when I need to sit on the sofa and eat chocolates all afternoon and watch a weepy movie. OK? +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: You can bet it is a bitch, kid...
by Jenny Payne 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

Hello hello, * Isn't whining about how gigs are not coming to middle-of-nowhere, U.S.A. a bit like moving to Missouri and complaining that there are no decent beaches? Just a thought. * Anyway, if B&S *do* decide to tour... I have the perfect venue... I work in a library where noise is actually encouraged because we have a theatre for concerts. Now wouldn't that be interesting? * If any of you need any San Francisco information, just ask. I was there for a design conference in June... oh why couldn't it have been in Sept? I highly recommend the Amoeba record store that has been mentioned. It is absolutely overwhelming. Do yourself a favor and make a list of things you want before you go in because you'll be floored at first. I even took pictures... There is a mission, Mission Dolores, that was interesting on the other side of town. It is the oldest building in San Francisco and Native Americans helped to build it. The peaceful little graveyard garden next to it is full of monuments and flowers. See: http://www.graphicmode.com/missiondolores/ * The "S" name of 2001 hurricanes is "Sebastien." Well, they spelled it wrong, and we rarely get to "S"... but I thought it was interesting. * Love from, jenny +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Re: Neil's post
by chomi pop 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

Regarding the following message from B&S manager - Jesus Christ! That Neil really needs some holidays. Pretty disgusted, Nathalie -------- Original message Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:42:48 +0100 From: "Neil Robertson" <neil(a)banchory.net> Subject: Re: Sinister: Rule it out! For fuck's sake. In future I won't bother keeping people updated then. It's funny. Only yesterday I was discussing with someone how I've never met an American who voted for George Bush. Well, maybe in Julie I've found one. I've rarely seen such a case of American-centric shit in my life. I'll think twice next time about keeping yous informed. <snip snip> Cheers Julie. Nice work on the Kyoto Treaty by the way. Neil Robertson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: the strokes!:)
by Miss Marianna Longmire 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

>well i >got to interview them!!!:) For the pelican (my university newspaper) aah, sweet pelican. that's a rag i haven't seen for a while. hope the layout isn't still rubbish. oh, and yay neil for voicing what i didn't have the guts to say. hugs, marianna (ex-grok mag gal) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: First Prize
by vodkabird＠gurlmail.com 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

Hullo, Mister Miller and Mr B mentioned the Ken Chu Appreciation Society; well me' timbers are reet shivered, 'cos that particular organisation has been going for a fair few months now. In fact, at the monthly meeting and finger buffet last night we raffled Kenneth off. Or at least tried to, but with Gordon's 76p and Maddie's 77p, it wouldn't have even covered the cost of the P&P. I suppose we could have wrapped him up in some old sheets and chucked him in a laundry van to Leicester, but I'm sure that's against some Human Rights law. JenOwl mentioned her latest expedition to Fife. It seems to me that there is some dark and Sinister conspiracy to mock my places of current habitation. I suffered it when I lived in Birmingham, and now that I live in the Kingdom I'm getting it too. Either that, or I just move to numpty places. You'll nowt get me back to Lahndahn though (even if the great city did provide me with hours of entertainment in the shape of the actor who played Nick Cotton in Eastenders, who I used to watch do his shopping from behind the cauliflower stand, in the Surbiton branch of Sainsburys). Fife is really quite nice, if you stay out of the grounds of loony bins. A friend visited last weekend and we went for a wander along the beach (pebbled), admired the scenery (old lino factories and rusty cans of Tesco blueandwhitestripey bitter) and took some photos (will turn out hopelessly blurred and featuring Edinburgh from 300 miles away because I still believe that my camera has super-duper telephoto zoom lens which could pick out a cowboy having a pee behind his hoss in Texas) If that's not your idea of fun then fine. Did I also mention that I bought an electric toothbrush? I know how to partay, me. What's with all this animosity towards bringers of bad B&S news? I know it's a pain in the arse when bands you worship don't play within bus-journey distance of your house (I felt the same when I had to travel to Merthyr Tydfil to see Hawkwind play..mmm...rawk) but let's not shoot the messenger. Anyway, I've abused my work time enough for today Love you all VB xxx Being a Rebel's Fine at: http://www.angelfire.com/ia/trustnoone ________________________________________________________________________ --> get your free, private gURLmail account at http://www.gURLmail.com!! +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: RE:the strokes!:)
by Lutolfc＠aol.com 07 Aug '01

07 Aug '01

hi everyone, this is my first post even though ive been a sort of voyeur the past few months, reading the list's goings-on. but now i actually have something to say! i was listening to the strokes just the other day on fmu. there was a rebroadcast of an in studio performance they did in 12/00. perhaps you caught it too, Woo. i always saw them listed to play in the Voice but i never actually heard them. i like them too! im also disappointed B&S wont come to the east coast (i live in New Jersey) but who cares, really. i was just thinking, even if they (do i dare even say it out loud?) broke up id still have all their music. well thats all for my introduction. im off to work. work being a weekly newspaper where i have 2 bosses - an editor and publisher and me. im the only employee which puts me in the middle cuz they both like to bitch about each other to me. im in a very powerful position if you think about it. maybe ill pit them against each other take over the paper, then i will RULE THE WORLD! not really. it was really nice meeting you oh, no the pleasure was all mine! oh, thank you! no, thank you! colleen +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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