September 1998 - Sinister

Sinister: Re: Grouting, day-glo buses and tootsie roll.
by Mothra 16 Sep '98

16 Sep '98

rory said: >>Hopefully I'll soon be driving across America in a big fuck-off day-glo >>bus like in The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test, to see the show in >>Philadelphia, (with Lady Penelope following sedately behind in her >>luxuriant pink roller) won't that be exciting! Do any of our American >>cousins know if there are any tickets left for this show? And how far is >>Philly from NY?, I kinda hope it's a long way so'se I can live out all >>those Kerouac fantasies. And just where exactly can I get a tootsie >>roll? >>Oh you guys are so quaint! I love your accent!, say margarine! etc.... i do believe there are some tickets left for the show...i should hope so because i've yet to buy mine...but the phone number for the box office at the trocadero, which is the venue for that show, is 215/922.LIVE, and you have to insert the country code in front of that and all, of course...new york is a good distance from philly, about 3 hours in good traffic, i'd say. you can find tootsie rolls at just about any reputable corner store, grocery, drugstore, or anywhere that sells candy of any sort. tootsie rolls are sassy stuff. i love your accent more... moira ********************************** Moira Kulik Box 906 Franklin & Marshall College P.O. Box 3220 Lancaster, PA 17604-3220 mm_kulik(a)acad.fandm.edu Music Director, WFNM Franklin & Marshall College Box 90 Lancaster, PA 17604 business line: 717/291.4098 office hours: tues/thurs 2 to 5 pm ********************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Win tickets for the Strasbourg Gig
by Philippe Garnier 16 Sep '98

16 Sep '98

You can win free tickets for the Strasbourg gig (October 1st). Just send a email to : boutique(a)inrockuptibles.com Les Inrockuptibles is a french magazine. I still have my ticket ! Philippe, from Strasbourg +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: NME review - not for the nervous.
by Ben Ferneyhough 16 Sep '98

16 Sep '98

Dear all, not seen this posted yet, so thought I'd do the honours. Enjoy ! Ben. BELLE & SEBASTIAN London Shepherd's Bush Empire Shake awake the spirit of John Lennon and go tell the Good Lord above the news - a survey by the Norfolk Evangelical Christian Fellowship has revealed that Sir Cliff Richard is a more famous Christian than The Pope and Mother Theresa. In fact, were it not for the spiritual stamina of a little chappy called Jesus, Sir Clifford would be the most famous God-loving person on the planet. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? It most certainly does. Rather like this: 10.15pm on a dank Monday night and the Belle & Sebastian hordes are baying for blood. Really. They have watched, or rather attempted to watch Elliott Smith, who spent his entire solo spot sitting down, thus ensuring that 87 per cent of the crowd were treated to the toppermost of his bobble hat. Very Belle & Sebastian. They have listened to the DJ playing a stack of '60s tunes which are both unfamiliar, yet naggingly tuneful, as if they're all cracking tracks from albums we all really should own, but don't. Very, very Belle & Sebastian. And the band are half-an-hour late onstage. Now boo. And hiss. Three thousand Sebastianites cannot be wrong. For, if nothing else, tonight will go down in history as the day that The Spirit Of Sarah Records went stadium rock; when the blushing indie schmindie virgin bride threw off her Field Mice T-shirt, set fire to her Heavenly bra and marched into the hairy arena with a guttural growl which intimated, "Get out of the way, Then Jericho! There's been a few changes around here!" And then Belle & Sebastian come on. And you can't hear anything. Oh well. Now, we admire Belle & Sebastian for their literalism - they released a single called 'Dog On Wheels' and the sleeve was a picture of a dog on wheels, and they sound a bit like Felt and wear Felt T-shirts. We admire them for their sublimely individual records which are graceful and intelligent and, like, really grown-up, yet deliciously naive at the same time. And we particularly admire them for their cavalier disregard for the tedious orthodoxy of the music industry, with its ever-spinning hamster wheel of interviews and photo sessions and muddy festivals and mucky exposés. It's just that throughout Belle & Sebastian's set we keep thinking, 'God help us if there's a war'. Quiet? We'll give you quiet. "Dance, you lame fuckers!" shouts a man in the balcony. "Hrrmphff. Must be the heat!" mumbles Stuart Murdoch, by way of response. "Turn it up!" shouts a punter by the bar. "Shut the fuck up!" snarls the man near the back. Now, this is getting good. We can tell that Belle & Sebastian are a teensy-weensy below full volume by the way in which a slightly twitched tambourine drowns out the guitar and a sodding xylophone solo rings out loud and true, much like Mister Edge's big axe on Red Rock all those years ago. Even loitering 20 yards away from the band, it feels like you're standing in the Doctor Martens tent at Reading. Watching Red House Painters on the main stage. "It could all do with some va-voom," observes a perplexed passing enthusiast. And he isn't wrong. There really is very little point in taking Belle & Sebastian to task for being 'mimsy'. This is rather like berating Black Sabbath for being a bit 'metal', like suggesting that Brian Molko looks a bit like a 'girl', like having a go at Jamiroquai for being a bit of a 'tosser'. It does not matter. What does matter, however, is the reverence afforded to this free-flowing ragbag of Scottish shysters. The smallest offhand joke brings knowing guffaws from the masses. A mid-set raffle (we shit thee not, kids - first prize: rare-as-a-dodo's-bum copy of debut album 'Tigermilk') induces admiring coos. The Belle & Sebastian mugs on the merchandise stall cause fans to blurt, "Oh look! A Belle & Sebastian mug! How sweeeeet!" And unsurprisingly, the lilting likes of 'A Century Of Fakers' and 'The Boy With The Arab Strap' send the anti-moshpit into the sort of raptures which could seriously damage your health - quite literally in one case as Murdoch has to stop the gig to allow security the opportunity to rescue one overemotional sort. For while Belle & Sebastian undoubtedly represent the M & S of musical nourishment (classy and clever, yet not out of the average shopper's reach) and their followers were most certainly born to be mild, there is one hell of a weird vibe surrounding this very strange band. Loyalty? Passion? Earnestness? Not since the heyday of The Smiths have we witnessed such an outpouring of obvious, unblemished delight from an 'indie' audience. But whereas Morrissey gave it his ego-ballooning all, revelling in the love and the limelight, Belle & Sebastian appear to be content to shuffle along in the shadows, all gentle strokes for introspective folks, giving back as little as they possibly can. And don't the kids just love it. Any chance of an encore? Don't be silly. Sir Cliffage, almost the globe's most famous Christian. Belle & Sebastian, soon to be playing an arena near you. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Simon Williams +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". 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Re: Sinister: Angelic indie stores versus the evil big stores
by will grey 16 Sep '98

16 Sep '98

Everyone I know who's worked in one of these shops has >wound up hating it cause they thought they'd be into the music, and they're >essentially into making money. hmmm... yes, some indie stores are certainly run by evil people, but the point is we KNOW giant corporate entities are run by demons... Plus, the reason all you folks in small towns don't have indie stores in the first place is because you keep buying your damn music from KMart, Woolworth's etc... Most mom and pop stores do mailorder... The man is difficult to get around sometimes, but it's certainly worth the effort to know that you're not helping the evil ones completely take over... I am in new york city... In the two years I've been here, the number of indie bookstores has decreased by two thirds (no joke) due to the presence of Barnes and Noble... re: getting b & s out to the widest possible audience... I certainly hope b & s are not attempting to take over the world or anything... they certainly seem to have reached a decent number of folks already, and I would guess that (for the moment, at least) they are in this for the love of creating beautiful things... that's one reason I not only like their music, but respect them as well (as much as you can respect folks you don't really know, anyway)... sigh... and "remain in light" is a great album... record store employees are often big dorks, but at least in an indie store, you have a good chance of being sold stuff by people who actually LIKE music, whether or not they're too cool for the talking heads... and re: someone's previous comment about working for 8 years in a music magazine being the definition of a musical idiot (or some less awkward phrasing): yes... an example being Dave Marsh, editor of the Rolling Stone Music Guide... Fopp and Missing certainly don't hide their >Sting(*) albums in a corner somewhere, they're always there, smacking you >in the face as soon as you enter the place. When I lived in Falkirk, >Woolworths was the only place I was really able to buy records - apart from >Sleeves, which was an "indie" record shop. I didn't like that shop, the guy >once laughed at me for buying "Remain in Light" by Talking Heads. > > Another point is that by confining B+S records to purely indie stores, you >are somewhat just preaching to the converted aren't you? I realise the >intentions are good, but surely it'd be better if there was a B+S album in >woolies rather than just another Colour me Badd album. Fopp for one have >often forced me to go to HMV to buy albums. Last year I decided to upgrade >my copy of Remain in Light (for the second time. 10 years ago in Sleeves I >bought it on tape, 5 years ago I bought it from the great Professor Plastic >second hand for 4 quid) to CD. It was like 14.99 in Fopp, and 11.99 in HMV. >Bastards! I've now bought "Remain in Light" 3 times and the only time I got >laughed at was in the indie shop! Evil bastards! > >Cheers, > Keith. > > >* One of my favourite ever album sleeve pictures is in one of Sting's >recent albums, I think it's called "10 Summoner's Tales", and inside the >booklet, Sting is picture riding a horse playing a Lute, whilst posing in a >"thoughtful" manner > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, > FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ > +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: I'm new
by Pierre-Henri Crave 16 Sep '98

16 Sep '98

Hi, I'm new on Sinister (and I just hope this message is the beginning of a long relationship with all of you...).Well, I don't know much about the current subjects (I've just read some strange messages about unreleased songs and about drum-machines), so I'll just give you some unoriginal and uninteresting informations. Here they are: I'm French and I'll be 22 next week. I've also seen that there was at least one other French guy here (hi Philippe!). I'm sure there are many others cause B&S have a cult status in France. In fact, I'm not a die-hard fan of B&S. I mean, I don't collect their EPs or rare stuff or anything. I've just got 'Sinister' (which I can't help listening to obsessively) and 'Arab Strap'... 'Tigermilk' isn't available in France... I've seen that meet-ups were planned. It could be cool... Well, that's all. Bye! leaping around all night long, soporific-eyed during the day Pierre-Henri Crave +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: All ages Dates in the US
by Katrina House 16 Sep '98

16 Sep '98

Hello again, I've just had a chat to Neil about the 18+ Chicago and 19+ Toronto gigs and he's pretty annoyed, seeing as the band had originally requested that all the dates be all-ages. So, once the Americans wake up, he'll try to sort something out. It does look as though the venues have set the age limits ruling out the promoter + band's wishes. Keeping you posted! :) Cheers, Katrina. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r@jeepster.co.uk 217 canalot, 222 kensal road, london, w10 5bn, uk phone - 0181 964 9432, fax - 0181 964 8600 http://www.jeepster.co.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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RE: Sinister: Woolies' chart position
by Hopkins, Tim 16 Sep '98

16 Sep '98

Corporal Arenacea said: > umm.... I take sort of serious issue with the following.... > I mean, supporting indie stores and all is great, yes, but the > unfortunate truth is that most Mom + Pop record stores don't exist > outside of major urban centers around the world anymore. > Two things: 1) do you mean the world, or do you mean the U.S.? I don't know about the rest of the world, I only really know about record shopping in England, and I do know that Woolworths not having it is unlikely to inconvenience more than a tiny number of fans (i.e. those living in very, very remote areas). Frankly, those fans will not be relying on the likes of Woolworths for their musical purchases. Most will be used to travelling a little way to get their music. 2) Since, as you probably know (http://www.majordomo.net/sinister/hypermail/current/0487.html) the Jeepster version only covers the UK and Eire anyway, and so it's only really relevant to talk about this 'territory' when thinking about David's post. I'm sure Matador are handling Wal-mart and suchlike differently. There aren't a great number of places in England where people have rely on Woolworths to get their records anymore. The town where I grew up, Sidmouth, is one of them, come to think of it. And I got used to travelling the twelve miles into Exeter to buy my records. As did everyone else who was at all interested in music. So it goes. Mark said: >one of the JOYS of B&S is the whole Not Kow-towing To London-Centric Media BIT and in >fact Doing It For The KIDS, many of whom only have Woolies as an outlet. while Keith said: >Another point is that by confining B+S records to purely indie stores, you >are somewhat just preaching to the converted aren't you? I realise the >intentions are good, but surely it'd be better if there was a B+S album in >woolies rather than just another Colour me Badd album. Fopp for one have >often forced me to go to HMV to buy albums. I was forced into Our Price to buy the record in Lancaster. It might as well have been Andy's Records, or HMV, because they are all fundamentally the same. Until just over a year ago, Lancaster had a little independent record shop, which stocked judiciously and interestingly. It had the rather unfortunate name of Ear 'Ere records, but we will put that aside for a moment. It didn't just stock indie music, but a wide range of stuff, including reggae, hip hop, blues and a lot of dance stuff. It carried a lot of vinyl, too. The staff were friendly, and didn't laugh at me once. At least, not to my face. HMV opened in Lancaster, with a more central location, a flashier presentation and the muscle of a national buying organisation behind it. Within a few months of HMV opening, Ear 'Ere was closed. I am fairly sure that these two facts were not unrelated. And hey! Guess what? The range of music available in Lancaster has significantly decreased. The most London-centric thing will be if London is the only place in England where it's possible to find a record shop which stocks out-of -the-way or unusual music. Or where it's possible to develop a kind of working relationship with the staff, where they can get to know you and your tastes, and make recommendations, and stuff. Where the music doesn't necessarily come shrink-wrapped and antiseptic. I am not saying that Ear Ere was any better morally or ethically than other record shops (although in this case I believe it was, because I think it was run on a workers' co-operative basis, but I might be wrong about that). I am just saying that if no-one tries to support little stores, then they will go out of business, and everyone will be that much the poorer. Because places like HMV or Our Price (and Woolies, even more so) are less and less willing to take chances. Maybe I should stop being idealistic and accept that the free market has shown me that the shop that I liked just wasn't strong enough to survive, huh? Fopp may have 'forced' you to go to HMV, Keith. But HMV have forced me to go to HMV, or at least a carbon copy of HMV. And you can go back to Fopp if you want. B&S are nearly in a position where Woolies will be forced to stock the record on the band's (or rather the label's) terms, which would be the ideal as far as I'm concerned. I have no problem with the record getting out to shops like Woolies, (so people without a choice of vendor can get hold of it) but I would have a serious problem with the label being forced into giving stores like Woolies discounts and stuff ahead of the indie stores. But I do think that, given the choice, supporting shops which go off the beaten track is a reasonably good idea. Otherwise independent record stores *won't* exist anymore outside major urban centres. Which will be a shame. Sorry that this letter concentrates on England, and not other parts of the UK and Ireland, or indeed the rest of the world. But I only really know about how it is in England. I'm not saying that only England is important, honestly. I just don't feel qualified to talk about anywhere else. Mail order can be good, too. I am still reeling at the image of young prefect Keith, 'Remain In Light' in hand, cowering from a hilarious verbal barrage from a (clearly drunk) Aidan Arab Strap, and wishing Woolies stocked Talking Heads LPs. Cheers Tim +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Paper Boat
by Chris Leonard 16 Sep '98

16 Sep '98

I got my some of my holiday photo's developed yesterday. I look particularly furious in most of them, sort of like a scary tink. There's some lovely one's of some of you lot. Particularly Ooon in the robin hood hat. Come back Oon, I miss you. Ooon. Oooooooooooooooooooooooon. Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon. Oon's real name is Yingluck and Thai ghosts just have heads and intestines. I have a cracker of the gorgeous Pam Berry, standing right next to that strange cow fur wallpaper in the Marcus Gravy center. To her right, Steady Mike is trying to sneak by, and to her left the famous miss julia looks like she is doing eric morcambe doing that thing with his arm when he's having a sly gulp of his ginger. Ho ho. Here, was that an ink polaroid? I didn't mean to do that, shite. Speaking of Eric Morcambe, you should have heard Pam singing in Trousers flat after we went bowling. What a sweet voice. She's brilliant. Trousers has a big picture of a naked man with a semi stiffy above his couch, just right about ear height. That's in the next set of photees which I havnae got developed yet. But I will. Uh-huh. Stuart Murdoch: But we recorded a song when we got back called Paper Boat that Stuart wrote and sang! Brilliant. I'm quite partial to paper boats, they're the only thing I can origami. But folk usually say "that's a lovely hat" and put it on their head and I'm like "You've got a boat on your head, you look really silly". Humph. My great uncle Davie taught me how to make them when I was four. Sadly, he died yesterday, so I really hope it's a nice song. Balfron (where I'm from) sits on the banks of the River Endrick which flows into Loch Lomond, where Take the High Road the classic Scottish Soap is set. I remember, after learning how to make a paper boat I ran down to the river, set it sailing down the river then ran home to watch take the high road, and see if my little paper boat was on the telly. And it wasn't, but I told great Uncle Davie it was. melancholy chris +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: re: trixies
by Ciflux＠aol.com 16 Sep '98

16 Sep '98

<< Do any of you cats out their remember or know of a band from the early eighties? called Trixies Big Red Motorbike? >> yes indeedy! They were a duo from the Isle of Wight, consisting of Mark Litten and his sister Melanie. They sounded quite a bit like the Marine Girls...and, in fact, were quite good friends with them back in the day. "Norman & Narcissus," "That's The End Of That," "One Nation Under A Brolley," "You Took Him Away From Me"...they had an insane number of unsung classics. You can find most of their catalog on a compilation LP, _The Initmate Sound of Trixie's Big Red Motorbike_, on Accident Records. Find out more at their website: http://www.miaow.oaktree.co.uk/accident/trixie/. I used to be in a band that covered "That's The End Of That." :) mike ciflux(a)aol.com http://members.aol.com/ciflux +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: Woolies' chart position
by will grey 16 Sep '98

16 Sep '98

>but who cares if woolies have it or not - if you've yet to buy it or >need to buy more in the run up to christmas, then give your money to an >indie. go to 'rough trade' even if it means an extra bus ride or >something. > >when you buy an 'indie' record you help to support new music and a label >that trys to bring new music to you. but if you buy from a major store >then you're only helping them to dictate what you'll buy next through >supporting their policies - so buy through an 'indie' store too and help >support the outlets for the new music that's created. > >you know it's the right thing to do :) hear hear! down with the man! :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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