November 1997 - Sinister

Re: Sinister: Re: football
by 95516123＠csunt2.napier.ac.uk 14 Nov '97

14 Nov '97

>I didn't want to admit this before but I am feeling, for the first time < in rather a while, proud to actually be a Hearts fan and < even worse a shareholder ( novelty Xmas present from a < fanatic father). Wahey!! top of the league!!. What's even < better is that I live with a Rangers fan. Jesus, Claire. That's brutal! < This is terrible, I'm getting excited < about football. I'm well and truly bored........... < Claire. <" My toes can talk and they're smiling at me" - isn't that such a good lyric? YES! My favourite ever Galaxie 500 song. I used to play it first thing in the morning and then again last thing at night for ----------about four years. Then I got the box set last year and I'm doing it all over again! The Archdeacon of Pop. ------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Received: from sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (129.215.72.230) by CSUNT2.napier.ac.uk with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00027CC4; Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:53:29 +0000 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA09456 for sinister-outgoing; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:56:10 GMT Received: from dux2.tcd.ie (dux2.tcd.ie [134.226.1.12]) by sloth.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA09452 for <sinister(a)majordomo.net>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:56:08 GMT Received: from [134.226.28.201] (mac01ab.4066.pclab.tcd.ie [134.226.28.201]) by dux2.tcd.ie (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA18579 for <sinister(a)majordomo.net>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:57:17 GMT X-Sender: timminsc(a)mail.tcd.ie Message-Id: <l03110703b090a9af01d8(a)[134.226.28.201]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:58:10 +0100 To: sinister(a)majordomo.net From: Claire Timmins <timminsc(a)tcd.ie> Subject: Sinister: Re: football Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Claire Timmins <timminsc(a)tcd.ie>

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RE: Sinister: SImon Reynolds and B&S
by Keith Watson 14 Nov '97

14 Nov '97

In a pub once Tim suggested that all Great Pop is written from the perspective of being 16. Not that all Great Pop was ABOUT being 16, but rather that it encompassed a certain sense of excitement and tremulous anticipation that the IDEA of being 16 conjures in us. I find this argument seductive, just as I find seductive the idea that the moment to which we return and find each time slightly altered by the passing of our elliptical routes before we then embark on another of those roads to (inevitably) nowhere, is also rooted deeply in adolescence. Richard Hell once suggested that adolescence was the most important part of your life, and that the extent to which you stay true to the ideals you develop at that time is the extent to which you stay Alive. And I think this hits on the point I feel I currently find myself believing in more and more. [Keith Watson] Indeed this is a fantastic argument, responsibilities of adulthood are only there if you wish to take them - of course there are a few things there, paying bills and stuff but mainly I still feel like I'm 16 any, in fact I feel like I'm 9, I don't feel like I've ever felt any different, people constantly bombard you with the idea that you're going to grow out of stuff like this, all your life (incidentally, this is kind of what I take "everybody's trying to make us a century of fakers" to mean - or at least, this is how I like to take it). People force themselves to forget about the things they once enjoyed indeed loved, just since they feel like it doesn't fit in with the way they're expected to behave. I'm never going to grow up, I can't see it, I've been told all my life I will and I haven't yet and long may it continue. It's like the difference between feeling alive and dead. Perhaps this is the eternal curse and saving grace of the Pop Generation, or at least the Pop obsessives; that the refusal to accept the responsibility of adulthood and the fact that we find Pop altering our perceptions of importance results in an ongoing obsession with a return to adolescence. That the true revolutionary spirit of Pop is not to overthrow governments and systems of media oppression through direct action, but by collusion, by exisiting in a peter pan like bubble of myopia. Perhaps, like the Mods' pharmaceutically induced disinterest in sex, the Pop generation will grow to refuse the concept of family, will deny the importance of familial responsibility in favour of the endless song, the endless rave, the endless summer of love. [Keith Watson] Indeed I don't believe it'll ever overthrow the government, but it can do much much more - changing people's attitudes to things is one thing - to take a trivial example... Look at the telly and see how often people swear, all the time now, and then think of the uproar with the Sexpistols on the Bill Grundy show 21 years ago. The affect that these people have is far too subtle to be able to explain definitively but it's definitely there. Cheers, Keith. ps: I kind of liked Blissed Out, I think he writes well about the stuff he likes, it's more just his views on the stuff he doesn't like that are strange, well, you can't expect everyone to like everything. Having said that "The Sex Revolts" which is another Simon Reynolds book is not quite as interesting. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: General Stuff
by Keith Watson 14 Nov '97

14 Nov '97

speaking of new order...how about the line in "your silent face" which goes "you've caught me at a bad time...so why don't you piss off?" always makes me laugh... [Keith Watson] That's what I was thinking too - funny line. I must say as well it's bloody impossible to speak about Belle and Sebastian all the time, all that happens is you wind up doing stupid things like having top 10 fave songs which is OK for about two or three, but 6 weeks later, especially for a band who have only 2 LP's and the majority of people have pretty similar top 10's. I do realise that it may look like a few private conversations are going on too, but anyone's free to join in - it's really part of the natural process of getting to know people. Peter's comment about the fans being just as important as the band is completely true in my eyes. Peter - got the Amon Duul tape - thanks a lot, it's well good, I've been a very bad (and tired) boy and haven't sent it off yet - I'll post it this weekend Tag - To answer some of the questions that drink got in the way of the other night - first concert : Fish (of all people - why did it have to be him), first record : Mirror man - Human League (bought "Raiders of the Pop Charts" on the same day). And what stuff do I like - long list, lets start somewhere. Beatles, Stones, Hendrix, Who, Zombies, MC5 Stooges, Floyd, Girl Groups, Marvin Gaye, James Brown, Sly Stone, Stevie Wonder, Isaac Hayes, Funkadelic, Roxy Music, David Bowie, Can, Amon Duul (now!), Eno, Television, Patti Smith, Richard Hell, Talking Heads, Blondie, Sexpistols, Clash, Stranglers, Buzzcocks, Wire, Echo+Bunnymen, Joy Division, JAMC, House of Love, House Music, Acid House, Hip hop, Trip hop (just discovered I'd pent 300 quid on mo wax records over the past few years), Massive Attack, Stone Roses, Happy Mondays, Verve, Dr.Feelgood, La's, Bob Marley, ACDC, Motorhead, Primal Scream, KLF, Talk Talk, My Bloody Valentine, Sparks, T-Rex, Suicide, Spacemen 3, Simple Minds, De La Soul, Public Enemy, DJ Shadow, Warren G, Notorious BIG, Young MC, New Order, Ultra Vivid Scene.... Christ, this is getting like the conveyor belt round in the Generation game, I'll have to stop. Susannah : Ahhaa - a "recreate Tigermilk" record sleeve, sorry I've been away for a couple of days, well, I've recreated it bar not being a girl, and not having a tiger. If you're feeling sinister's more tricky as I can hardly read, 3,6,9's especially difficult as I'm not Stuart Murdoch, oh and to answer your question it's Stuart David on A Century of Elvis. Cheers, Keith - finally recovered from the hell that was the UK's national Bill Gates conference. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: Re:
by Nigel Turner 14 Nov '97

14 Nov '97

Simon Collins asked: >And has anyone else heard anyone cover a B&S song ? I heard a bloke called John do "My wandering days are over" in a cafe called Victor J's in York, kind of like Thom Yorke sings Belle and Sebastian. It was a really good version and I think it would be nice to hear someone like Beth Orton do a cover or even a duet. Are you connected with the Performing Rights Society, Simon? I know of a group from the Leicester/Loughborough area (England) who once did a great live cover of 'Judy & the Dream of Horses', (but I'm sure they never received a penny for playing it!!). They've also covered the Go Betweens' 'Don't Let Him Come Back'. Slip me a fiver, and I might tell their name. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: El Gaupo Miller, he speaks the truth...
by john monroe 14 Nov '97

14 Nov '97

. Maybe we should save time for those who want to head straight for the bits they want and put special headings on the top of each message. i thnk that is a good idea. i have no problem hitting delete a lot, but on another mailing list ( for The Fall ) people would start the subject line with "NFC" ( and at first i thought they were going to talk about the packers, cowboys and 49ers...), which mean No Fall Content. It makes life easy I guess on people who can use their computers to filter out such things, they can scan for that set of letters. maybe NBSC can be used to designate a message with zero band information, comments, or what have you? just a suggestion, carry on! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: Three things
by Alan 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

---------- > De : susannah <susannah(a)tormentor.clara.net> > A : B&S <sinister(a)majordomo.net> > Objet : Sinister: Three things > Date : jeudi 13 novembre 1997 20:44 > Other favourite moments on records: New Order 'Every Little Counts' on > Brotherhood where Barney sings the line 'I think you are a pig and should live > in a zoo' and starts giggling. > Others please. speaking of new order...how about the line in "your silent face" which goes "you've caught me at a bad time...so why don't you piss off?" always makes me laugh... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: El Gaupo Miller, he speaks the truth...
by mctag＠mcmail.com 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

Ok, some stuff 1 I agree with everyting Peter said about the list. OK, some things ('claims to fame' springs to mind) get out of hand, but I love these sidetracks. Susannah's photo shoots, lemurs, they break up the tedium of the working day, or are nice to see when you get home at night. Myself, I'd rather see that than pure naked facts, or psycho-analysis, but there's a place for everything whether facts, opinions, questions, anecdotes, ramblings, bollocks. Maybe we should save time for those who want to head straight for the bits they want and put special headings on the top of each message. But I read everything, some of it makes me go 'boring' or 'what the hell are you on about?', but there's a few gems every day. I reckon a love of B&S or whatever says a lot about a person, and it's nice to hear that confirmed sometimes when people get off-track. Don't you think? 2 Dreams. I had a dream once that the Manic Street Preachers were playing an accoustic set on Top of the Pops, wearing suits. They suddenly swapped their guitars for hairdryers, which they aimed at the audience and a riot ensued. I also dreamt that Henry Rollins kidnapped my best friend and we had to rescue her from a cage. I'm sure I've had Belle and Sebastian ones, but I can't remember any. I suppose I could make one up. 3 Simon Reynolds is a fool. What does he know? 4 Hey, what happened to those date announcements? Someone must know. Can't think of any records with human touches in them...I'm sure there are loads, but I'm tired and the house is cold. I can think of good talking bits in songs though. 'What colour are his eyes?' 'I dunno, he always wears shades' in 'Give him a great big kiss'. Or just about every single Lee Hazlewood record ever (Lee is God). A kiss on the elbow Tag xx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Observations of the obvious kind
by Richard Banner 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

Its good to talk? ----------------- It seems a lot of what i read on the list is of total uninterest, with many personalised and 'informal' groups talking between themselves. I don't write much to the list because often you get what you want to here from a select few, even though you find yourself reading through pages of rubbish just for maybe a few sentences of sense. Remember this list is about BELLE + SEBASTIAN!!!! OK I'm maybe being a little bit harsh but quality before quantity surely. Things i've observed............ --------------------------------- 1. Many people on the list are : football fans part of a academic setup (email joy) 2. Many people want tigermilk - ok obvious, but isn't it only a matter of time before BOOTLEGS become available and the band start getting screwed. A re-release must be imminent? 3. Many people want to see B+S - ok obvious again, but i'm sure everyone connected with the list are waiting for info. about Manchester and are already forward planning. Out of interest why Manchester anyway? and why only two gigs? Ok i'm bored and i might be talking rubbish myself but i joined this list to talk about B+S. Finally i don't want to kiss ass but I'm grateful for the response i've had from previous emails. Call me ignorant but who are these people who respond? and what are there connection with the band? Anyway got to go, sorry to bore Feedback would be nice, good or bad In the immortal words of Roy Walker "Say what you see"( sorry non-Britain) Rich ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Three things
by susannah 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

Three things, thats all. 1) who is it speaking on a century of Elvis? Have you all discussed this already? Anyway that Soft Scottish accent makes me go all funny if you know what I mean..........Blimey. 2) In reference to the bit on 'You made me forget my dreams' where someone says "sorry I slept in" and Stuart Murdoch sighs, aren't those just the best bits on records? The way they make you realise that the artists whose music you are so infatuated with , are normal breathing people? Other favourite moments on records: New Order 'Every Little Counts' on Brotherhood where Barney sings the line 'I think you are a pig and should live in a zoo' and starts giggling. Others please. 3) RE: pop stars in funny dreams. I have recurring dreams about being stalked by Bobby Gillespie. God knows why. Susannah. susannah(a)tormentor.clara.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: SImon Reynolds and B&S
by Hopkins T 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

From the duchy of harringay a wire messenger emerged: > just been reading simon reynolds 1989(?) book > 'blissed out' and reading again about the whole > dreampop thang, and ohhh, i still like that whole > loop bit, but spacemen 3? and the excuses > reynolds makes for prog rock... hmmm. dubious. > wonder what he'd make of belle & sebastian? > Aside from 'Blissed Out', which I found fairly cheaply recently, the last thing I remember Reynolds writing was that we had had enough (too many?) fantastic songs and that what music needed was a load of noise that superceded the song (he wouldf justify such babble by going on about 'jouissance' and 'the demolition of self' and suchlike which is all very well until you realise he's doing it because, basically, he likes the Young Gods). No doubt he'd hate Belle and Sebastian for the reason that they are the best songwriters operating in the whole of pop music today. Or he'd slip into the easy stereotype of calling them twee and childlike and then bung that stuff about how the whole enterprise is the pop music version of anorexia, which I always thought was a duff argument (to broadly summarise, he said that anorexia was all about refusing one's status as an adult and the consequent pressures and responsibilities of the world; he then identified Talulah Gosh as doing the same thing). 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