January 1998 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: Yes sir, I can boogie
by mctag＠mcmail.com 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

Hello, I'm on the digest now so I get to reply all in one go. >>The question about the only duo with two mid-priced LPs in 97 Ant and Dec? Peters and Lee. Cannon and Ball. No, I've got it - it was Baccara. They were great. >If I was in anyone's way, may i also apologise. I was only there on the >saturday night but both me and my twin brother (we have a combined height of >13ft 6ins) may have got in some poor folks way. I'm sorry. Personally, I wasn't in *anyone's* way. I am a midget. Moreover, I have very small feet. > Have you seen 'Kissed'? It reminds you of heavenly creatures at the start, >a bit, beautiful only slightly mental. Kelly, how come you get to see all the great films? 'Heavenly Creatures' ruled like a badass though. Better than poxy 'Small Faces' any day. >OK - very hastily - photos of Isobel, sorry, B&S Perve. Bet she's wearing school uniform. You people make me sick. >Hopefully Jeepster will release a Baywatch style >semi-nude calendar of the band soon. Double perve. Now this one is my favourite... >Having heard what bands listees "get off on" I'd be interested to hear >what bands listees had "got of WITH" You little voyeur. Nice boys never kiss and tell. >or "got off TO". I find Einsturzende Neubauten always goes down well with the Laydeez. >Or when going on long train journeys is there one band that always coincides >with your destination, i.e. music you can get off AT... Getting a little bit contrived now... >Hmmm... I'm afraid this point doesn't seem to make much sense. If a CD >player reads a single circuit on a CD and the sum of all the bits on that >circuit doesn't match the checksum stored at the end of that circuit then it >will skip. All oversampling CD players do is attempt to read the circuit x >number of times in an attempt to get it correct before actually playing it, >they will also skip if unable to match the checksum. Either a CD will skip, >or it'll sound exactly the same as it did when initially recorded, in the >same way that if you take a binary computer program and splat a few zeroes >into the middle of the file, it's not likely to make the program just >slightly worse, just completely and untterly shaft it. I don't know where >this sort of stuff comes from, but there was an article a few years ago that >stated that should you keep your CD's in a fridge, they'd sound better! Is Keith on crack or something? This isn't even in English. They smeared jam on them on 'Tomorrow's World'. >Just a little note to say that some of us are meeting at 8 o'clock >(p.m.) on Thursday at the Good Mixer, so anyone who fancies meeting up >for a drink and/or going to see Libido afterwards (Norwegian group - >I've never heard them, but Elisabeth Z speaks highly) should be there >then. This Tag guy is a prick, I hate him. >what has everyone got against me??? Poor Northy. All together now.....aaah. >Who is Bert Jansch? Thank you Peter. I didn't like show my ignornace by asking. I think he's made up. >Pressed CD: Total Harmonic Distortion 65db, S/N ratio 82 dB > >Recordable CD: THD 55dB, S/N 80dB > >Recordable CDs follow a different recording algorithm called Absolute Time >in Pre-groove (ATIP) >which uses a lower quality recording known as 1 time over sampling, normal >audio > CDs use 4 time oversampling. (note it is the RECORDING that is noisier!). > >And this would be from a perfect digital information source, add onto the >above, the sampling noise >(I have a AWE64 for instance, not nearly professional level) and you have >something that it pretty > much matching an average tape dub. Oh God, Keith, what have you started - now, they're all at it. >Oh and I only have one Bert Janch CD (the compilation on Demon) which I >will not copy on CD or tape as I just wouldn't sleep an nights if I did so He doesn't exist, I tell you. It's all make believe. You've all gone quite mad. Incidentally Lynn from Vinyl Exchange was very disappointed that she didn't see enough of Stuart's nice trousers. Curvaceous brunette Lynn (20-something) also confessed said she'd rather see them on her bedroom floor. Her boyfriend (who cannot be named in case JOHN McCREADY loses his house credentials) was unavailable for comment. The band read this? Oi Murdoch - my mate fancies you. Woooohoooo....'Fargo's on Sky! Love you each and every one especially Northy Tag xxxx Miss Hoover, my face is on fire ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: thanks
by baggy trousers 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

many thanks to all who offered advice on where to find the cd singles in the US. roberta (who goes to the university of South Florida and does not live in San Francisco) **oh you look so tired mouth slack and wide ill-housed and ill-advised your face is as mean as your life has been crash into my arms i want you****** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Re: Tonight let's all make love in London
by Yaz 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

Boys and girls I've solved our name-changing problem!! (Are you sitting comfortably..? Well then I'll begin.) (Listen very carefully, it's a good one...) Following Tag's repeated request for us all to make love in London, I think it would be quite fun if we all name the kids "Isobelle or, alternatively, if they're a boy, Sebastian) This way we could cunningly infiltrate the world's population with a new generation of Belle & Sebastians - a truly disturbing and freaky phenomenon in history which scientists would then spend years puzzling over...... Clever huh? PS Genevieve - what's all this about a secret Longpigs track - where, how and why did no-one tell me? And more importantly, what's all this about Stuart evans getting married without me? (Sound of sobbing in background) Can this heart-stopping news really be true? Are they all married ? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: names - changing
by Coombs, Benjamin (B.J.) 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

Someone in the UK who's done it tell us how much and how.: I can answer this one. Last year my sister in England changed her name. The changing of her name was as simple as signing her name. All she had to do was go to our local family solisiters and ask them. they produced a form and she signed it. the difficult thing was having all her mail, banks, clubs, friends knowing she'd done it - easyier than getting a name change through marriage. And it cost around £10 pounds. > Why don't all the girls change their middle name to Belle and all the boys to Sebastian. They'll be this sudden rush at the solicitor's offices around the world, and eventually this massive phemomenon will reach headline news. There'll be loads of questions: How was it organised? Why? And then when our epitaphs are written, people will say "Ah, the famous 98 B&S Sinister-listee outbreak. I took a degree in it. Interesting stuff." and it'll be like plague victims but much nicer. Bethey I think this is a truly brilliant idea. I have been wanting to ditch my middle name for ages. Someone in the UK who's done it tell us how much and how. The Guidian newspaper posts a thing called Notes and Queries. Within it, some one asked: Are there any names that I am not allowed to use if I want to change my name by deed poll? Could I, for instance, call myself Coca Cola? Would anyone object to me being called Her Majesty The Queen Elizabeth the Second? I AM REMINDED of a man who changed his name by deed poll to "Yorkshire Bank plc Are Fascist Bastards" - and insisted on having it printed on his cheques. Darren Maughan, University of Warwick, Coventry (pousq(a)csv.warwick.ac.uk) YOU can't change your name by deed poll (or by statutory declaration, which is cheaper), whatever your solicitor and others may lead you to believe. In law your name is what you are known by (legitimately including aliases - for example, pen names, stage names, women using both married and maiden names). A deed poll is only a formal declaration of intent, but it has no relevance if you use a different name in practice. Say your name is John Smith. You go into a solicitor's office and execute a deed poll "changing" your name to Elvis Presley (it's happened). If, on coming out of the office, you continue to sign your cheques "John Smith", your name is still "John Smith"; if you start signing them "Cliff Richard" then your name is Cliff Richard. Of course, you need to be consistent, and the bank and the Inland Revenue will require evidence that you really are the person known as what you say you are (which is why deeds poll are taken, for practical purposes, as "evidence"). There is no legal restriction on the name you are known by, but the use of that name is subject to all the obvious restrictions on the use of language generally: obscenity, fraudulent impersonation, electoral malpractice, racism, blasphemy, libel and slander. So you can call yourself "Her Majesty the Queen" as long as you don't pretend to be the Queen. You could probably get away with calling yourself Coca-Cola (after all, you can't really be prevented from calling yourself W H Smith or F W Woolworth or Ronald McDonald) provided that you didn't do it by way of trade or affecting anyone else's, although I wouldn't vouch for the behaviour of courts in the United States. Dr J B Post, Axbridge, Somerset. THE TITLES of the ancient bishoprics and deaneries of the Church of England are protected by the criminal law. Under the Ecclesiastical Titles Act - mainly directed at preventing a rival establishment of the English hierarchy by the Catholic church - misappropriating one of these titles would be an offence. Tom Hennell, Withington, Manchester. A FEW years ago I read of a man who wanted to change his name to his favourite chatline number. However, his bank refused to accept it as a signature for his cheque book on the basis that it was too easily forged. Mark Wilkinson , Uxbridge, Middx. A FEW years ago I read of a man who wanted to change his name to F 731 HDB, claiming that it was cheaper than buying a personalised number plate for his car. Bob Morton, Hale, Cheshire. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: names - changing
by tinystar＠worldy.com 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

>Are there any names that I am not allowed to use if I want to > change my name by deed poll? Could I, for instance, call myself > Coca Cola? Would anyone object to me being called Her Majesty > The Queen Elizabeth the Second? I read in an old Seventeen magazine about some guy in the USA who changed his name to Trout Fishing In America, because he loved Richard Brautigan's stuff. And he changed it just in time for it to appear on his highschool diploma. His friends call him Trout. truly, jessica ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: #3 and label stuff
by mayfly the fly 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

The online magazine allstar (http://www.allstarmag.com) named IYFS as it's #3 album of the year behind Radiohead and Spiritualized, which is pretty good company. The review follows, it's very flattering, almost rapturous. This band is so splendid, their mixture of erudite string/ horn arrangements, sensitively sung vocals, rolling grooves, rockist rhythm guitars, and carousel organs is delicious. These Scottish folks' cross- pollinated, lush sound savvily recalls the creme de la creme of erudite pop history -- so many things at once you don't know where to begin. It's hard to resist playing the back of the bus fanboy game of What if: What if in the '60s the Kinks had collaborated with Lou Reed, produced by Burt Bacharach? Or in the '70s, if Nick Drake had cut a few sides with Roxy Music, with Jack Nitzsche producing? Or in the '80s, if Felt had recorded with the June Brides and Feelies, John Cale in the control booth? Belle and Sebastian sound like all of these things, sort of. Do people really think they sound like the Smiths? That group is so histrionic and self- important. B&S (not the names of anyone in the band) are too smart to care whether meat is murder or not. They want to know how it's cooked. There's lots of bands that sound good, especially in 1997. You've got Movietone, Stereolab, Yo La Tengo, Richard Davies, Home, Mogwai, the High Llamas, Fuck, Smog, Broadcast, the Elephant 6 collective, the Lilys -- everyone sounds good, the pop life is a party where everyhting goes right... except maybe in the words department. The conversation, the lyrics are a bit lacking in general. But Belle and Sebastian's words are the tops, the dandy-ish extreme. They're like Oscar Wilde showing up for supper. There's not only a bite to their humor that recalls Mark E. Smith, a pathos that reminds one of Eitzel, and a dainty way with words that hints at Nick Drake, but an ironic edge that's as sharp as the Monochrome Set, and as full of life as the Kinks: "Could I write a requiem for you when you're dead?/ 'She had the moves, she had the speed, it went to her head'/ She never needed anything to get her round the track/ But when she's on her back/ She had the knowledge/ To get her into college" -- from "The Stars of Track and Field." Bravo, bravo. I'm holding my breath until the Matador record is released. -Mike McGonigal ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: #3 and label stuff
by mayfly the fly 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

The online magazine allstar (http://www.allstarmag.com) named IYFS as it's #3 album of the year behind Radiohead and Spiritualized, which is pretty good company. The review follows, it's very flattering, almost rapturous. This band is so splendid, their mixture of erudite string/ horn arrangements, sensitively sung vocals, rolling grooves, rockist rhythm guitars, and carousel organs is delicious. These Scottish folks' cross- pollinated, lush sound savvily recalls the creme de la creme of erudite pop history -- so many things at once you don't know where to begin. It's hard to resist playing the back of the bus fanboy game of What if: What if in the '60s the Kinks had collaborated with Lou Reed, produced by Burt Bacharach? Or in the '70s, if Nick Drake had cut a few sides with Roxy Music, with Jack Nitzsche producing? Or in the '80s, if Felt had recorded with the June Brides and Feelies, John Cale in the control booth? Belle and Sebastian sound like all of these things, sort of. Do people really think they sound like the Smiths? That group is so histrionic and self- important. B&S (not the names of anyone in the band) are too smart to care whether meat is murder or not. They want to know how it's cooked. There's lots of bands that sound good, especially in 1997. You've got Movietone, Stereolab, Yo La Tengo, Richard Davies, Home, Mogwai, the High Llamas, Fuck, Smog, Broadcast, the Elephant 6 collective, the Lilys -- everyone sounds good, the pop life is a party where everyhting goes right... except maybe in the words department. The conversation, the lyrics are a bit lacking in general. But Belle and Sebastian's words are the tops, the dandy-ish extreme. They're like Oscar Wilde showing up for supper. There's not only a bite to their humor that recalls Mark E. Smith, a pathos that reminds one of Eitzel, and a dainty way with words that hints at Nick Drake, but an ironic edge that's as sharp as the Monochrome Set, and as full of life as the Kinks: "Could I write a requiem for you when you're dead?/ 'She had the moves, she had the speed, it went to her head'/ She never needed anything to get her round the track/ But when she's on her back/ She had the knowledge/ To get her into college" -- from "The Stars of Track and Field." Bravo, bravo. I'm holding my breath until the Matador record is released. -Mike McGonigal ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: the scoop on Sessions
by Felicia Daniel 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

hi gang, yesterday morning i spoke to chris douridas' assistant (chris being the host of sessions on west 54th), and she did confirm that it looks like the b&s session will never be aired. she made it sound as if chris himself was pretty peeved about this (i know he is a big fan), and in fact urged me and anyone else who is upset about this to complain to the show's executive producer. (i think it's actually higher-ups at pbs who nixed the episode, but if he gets enough complaints he might have something to fight with.) i feel sort of bad posting this guy's phone and fax number to the entire list, so if you would like to make your opinion heard, just drop me an email and i'll send the info to you. cheers, felicia bijoux13(a)hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: Bootlegging from Vinyl
by Keith Watson 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

>Further, just to comfort B&S and/or Jeepster, CD's mass produced from a Vinyl source would be inferior to those from the Master >Tape unless a great deal of money was spent trying to digitally remaster the sound. Also, cateran on chat made it known that >Cdroms, played on a regual CD player which lack the ability to oversample them, sound noticeably infererior (if one is an audiophile). Hmmm... I'm afraid this point doesn't seem to make much sense. If a CD player reads a single circuit on a CD and the sum of all the bits on that circuit doesn't match the checksum stored at the end of that circuit then it will skip. All oversampling CD players do is attempt to read the circuit x number of times in an attempt to get it correct before actually playing it, they will also skip if unable to match the checksum. Either a CD will skip, or it'll sound exactly the same as it did when initially recorded, in the same way that if you take a binary computer program and splat a few zeroes into the middle of the file, it's not likely to make the program just slightly worse, just completely and untterly shaft it. I don't know where this sort of stuff comes from, but there was an article a few years ago that stated that should you keep your CD's in a fridge, they'd sound better! >Now that doesn't mean that someone trying to make money wouldn't be able to peddle these inferior products making and making >appreciable profit. Frankly though, I don't think Jeester, Electric Honey, or Belle and Sebastian would be able to do anything to stop it. >In effect, the only thing protecting Belle and Sebastian right now is their relative obscurity. Frankly too, I'm quite surprised bootlegs of Tigermilk aren't already readily available. I had a look in Barrowlands in Glasgow a few months ago just out of interest, and there aren't even any tapes, never mind CD's. >However, it's really unfair to unleash that kind of anger we saw last fall on list members. We are their biggest fans. We're the ones >who enjoy most listening to their music. We are the ones who proselytize their music to the world. We are not going to want to screw >up B&S's musical careers. Don't make us feel like pariahs. Indeed. What got me thinking however, is the size of the wages bill that B+S must accrue. Mick's previous band I remember were paying themselves 150 quid a week or so living expenses, so if you extrapolate that to Belle and Sebastian they must be paying a weekly wages bill of 1120 quid, this is quite considerable - so on that evidence it's probably about time Tigermilk received a legitamate release or bankruptcy looms! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: (Fwd) How I made my Pennies (working for Notcutts???)
by Northy 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

>> >Northy wrote: >> >Isn't it weird - you want as many of your friends to hear B&S as >> >possible but wouldn't you hate it if everyone liked them and you were >> >just another fan.........I think this.......I don't want to be just >> >another faceless fan. >> >We are priveleged. Let us enjoy our position while we can > >> Fuck that and fuck you. (I hope I don't get told off by Honeydive Paul) I >> hope our beloved monsters of rock, lords of sleaze and kings of debauchery >> become rich and famous, it's their Ffate and yours is to whine and tell >> everyone how you knew them first. Yes Ok I am a "I saw them first...." person - but who can honestly say they wouldn't jump in if a friend said - "oh guess what I've just heard this great new band on the radio - they've come from nowhere" hmmm......it is just natural so just accept it >>fuck you Sorry if I offended you in any way I really am. How can i make it up to you. I am very very deeply sorry from the bottom of my heart np: Radiohead - How I made My Millions (what has everyone got against me???) oh and if Belle and Sebastian are reading this - I was Radiohead obsessed after OKC - saw them twice, bought most of their old singles and they were decidly my fave band. Already possessing the two singles, I put "La Pastie de la...." on and I was converted. The story continues Convert Count: 2 ``Don't be afraid to take a big step. You can't cross a chasm in two small jumps.'' - David Lloyd George. ``Don't be afraid to take a big step. You can't cross a chasm in two small jumps.'' - David Lloyd George. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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