February 1998 - Sinister

Sinister: Economy-sized general purpose reply
by Hopkins T 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

A few small things: Andreas wrote: >I thought I'd mention that the complete >Claim output suits a C60 cassette perfectly, but you could also compile a >C90 cassette adding some early Hurrah! stuff for the clever listees >pursueing your generous offer ... I fear you may be missing a few of the Claim's masterpieces, Andreas. The two and a half LPs and several singles would take at leat a ninety and a half to get through...Let me know what you've got and I'll fill in the gaps:-) But you are right in saying that the Claim were unassailably brilliant and anyone who hasn't heard their perfect pop cocktail should take the Duke or me up on an offer of a tape sample thereof... Peter wrote on the subject of speaky pop: >Another one I'd forgotten is Isaac Hayes, who often talks about "ladies" or >whatever for quite a while, before bursting into song Yes! his version of 'By The Time I Get To Phoenix' is cool, but for a special treat, seek out 'Good Love 69-969': 'I'm listed in the yellow pages all around the world, Got thirty years' experience of lovin' sweet young girls...' Oh, the old dog... Southern (ish...) soul is a great place for talkover classics, though. Of course, there are the famous Millie Jackson monologues, but Irma Thomas's brilliant 'Coming From Behind' trumps her big-style. Interested parties let me know for yet more tape action. And Northy wrote... >When I was unpopular on this list I asked everyone what film they >though would suit a Belle and Sebastian song soundtrack. >Thanks to some heavy promotional work from Tag I am now fairly famous >on the list so I will ask it again. Northy, perhaps you could write a story of your relationship to the members of this list? I'm sure Tag will help you, if you haven't blotted your copybook with off-the -beam Spice Girls mails... Kim, saving my mail from being entirely off-topic, wrote: >does anyone else happen to hear a zipper being zipped at the beginning of >"expectations"? I asked exactly the same question of 'King' Andy Dean, who assures me that it is truly on the vinyl and not the sound of his record deck lid being closed, as I had suspected... Hope this helps. Ta ra. Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: newcomer type stuff
by C Browning 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

i always hate first e.mails to mailing lists. you come across all naive and stupid because you don't know the protocol and jargon. but i've never been in a mailing list as - well - argumentative as this one! i don't mean bickering but everytime i check my e.mail i have about five new messages - makes me look dead popular as well. and i must admit its rather fun. on the XTC list, people tend to just dream about new recordings, on the flying nun one i get frustrated cos i'll never be able to track down the arsing stuff but here each e.mail seems to be genuinely interesting discussing the musical underbelly of the uk. here at loughborough music is still in the oasis/prodigy predictable glut so its a refreshing change to have all this discussion about bands like ultrasound and mogwai and the beloved b&s who will be shaping the music world for years to come, when people have finally realised the vacuity of the brothers gallagher. to me "if you're feeling sinister" had the effect on first listening that i imagine a listener thirty odd years ago would have had first listening to someone like nick drake. in many ways he's as influential in the world of music now as ever, name dropped all over the place. belle and sebastian have that air of unprecious naturally polished jewel that, just because it isn't big and obvious isn't appreciated by the masses. but neither should it be. i admit i do tend to choose my favourite bands from their rating as undiscovered classic, obscure type categories. but good music is good music. you may like arab strap (i found it a little - er - wilfully amateur for amateur's sake, but i'm sure they were fully aware of that) or the manics (too earnest for me , but hey they covered 'taking teh skin heads bowling' so we know they have some sense of humour) or the beegees as far as i care. i'll even let some people off for liking oasis (only just though) but whatever belle and sebastian are to me, unlike any other band out there. i played the album once and knew i will be playing it for as long as i have arms to press the button marked play and ears to hear it. and that surely is teh mark of good music. before you all write and ask me what the hell i'm on about, i'd just like to say i'm not really sure. but hey. let me off. i'm new. thanks for making life at loughborough a little more interesting with your discussions at any rate. i think i'll be happy here as it were. i'll stop rambling now and go. chris browning ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: Will this do?
by Johnston, John CT 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Hooray! Somebody else has had a list dream!! I must reveal that ol' HoneyChile himself appeared in my dream and he was NEITHER hideous NOR one-legged NOR in anyway a dwarf. (PC note - not that there's anything wrong with any of the above). But I couldn't write about it quite like Nick could (marvellous stuff). What was the film?? Send in your baby pictures coz I was the only person vane enough to already have one scanned and ready to roll. I'm giving a kind of a black panther salute (even as a toddler I was very politically motivated) and Tag, I would consider it an honour to electronically appear next to your naked Hebridean adventure shots. This collection could be the start of our collaborative project - a social history documentary charting all our development as fans of the greatest band around... john >---------- >From: Nick >Dastoor/BSHO/GB[SMTP:Nick_Dastoor/BSHO/GB%BSHO@notesgw.compuserve.com] >Sent: 02 Feb 1998 15:04 >To: sinister >Subject: Sinister: Will this do? > >David, an idea for a B&S competition: How about "Guess the future of Belle >and >Sebastian" in a kind of clairvoyant 'rock biog' way? Potted histories only >of >course. > >Sarah wrote: >>And will someone tell em why my messages keep coming through with shite >>like =20 on them al the time? Cos they are doing my tree. I never get >>any numbers right! > >Hmmm.. I think pound signs are the main stumbling block. I expect there's >some >clever answer to do with ASCII conversion protocols or something. Let's have >a >go: ?????? > >>Are they like censorship? Like '=46uck'????? > >No, but a friend who works at a revolting financial institution has all her >e-mail vetted in a wonderfully draconian way. If you send her a message with >a >rude word in it gets bounced back at you. Astonishingly, the list of banned >words extends to 'bottom', which can obviously be used in really quite >legitimate senses. Reminds me of the nanny web software that banned access >to >a site about the town Scunthorpe (work it out). > >Megan wrote: >>also, _don't_look_back, the >>documentary about bob dylan is showing at the film forum in new york. is >>it worth seeing for someone who isn't terribly interested in him as a >>singer? > >Well I saw it on telly a while before buying any of his records and enjoyed >it. Particularly memorable was the scene in which he was very rude to a >bunch >of earnest young fans that was mobbing him and asking why why why had he sold >out to the evils of amplified guitars. What musical direction could Belle & >Sebastian take that would engender such hostilty? I realise that for some of >you they got in early with "Electronic Rennaisance" but bearing in mind that >they haven't repeated that particular trick... Or all we all eclectic now? > >That dubiously titled fellow wrote: >>I'm talking of Devine & Statton, one of the first names that came to my >>mind after listening to BandS. >>Is it me, or they (and their former band Young Marble Giants) were/are >>inspirational for many bands? > ><sigh> Devine and Statton's "Under the Weather" is a dream. A nasty dream, >mind you, unpleasant enough for me not to be able to put in on any tape I >ever >made for my girlfriend, in case she took it personally. A perennial problem >that. Talking of dreams, I had my B&S dream the other night. Well, to be >precise it was a rather embarrassing B&S mailing list dream. In it, I >somehow >ended up offering to let Paedophile Paul (poor boy's gone a bit quiet since >the >great baby picture scandal shit hit the fan) stay at my house for a while. >It >turned out he was a hideous one-legged dwarf (I kid you not) but I tried to >disguise my shock and take him out on the town, go shopping and stuff. It >reminded me of having to do the same with my french exchange partner many >moons >ago. Not that he was a one-legged dwarf or anything. But he did have >dandruff. > >Tag wrote: >>we should be using all >>this we get from these records, making everyone laugh (like Peter and >>Susannah), writing witty little anecdotes about their lives (like >>Genevieve), or making films, getting together, forming bands, opening >>clubs, launching plans for an international pop underground magazine. >>Otherwise the rest of the world has every right to call us a bunch of >>fucking losers. > >I'll defend their right to do so till my dying day. But yeah - anyone want >make a film or form a band with me? Or does it not work like that? How >perfect the story is of Belle & Sebastian all meeting that cafe one night? >Ranks up there with Johnny Marr pressing his chocolatey nose up to that odd >kid >from Stretford's window, or that fateful church bazaar (hey!) encounter >between >Lennon & McCartney. I dream of such things. At our school the only people >who >formed bands were rubbish and into Eric Clapton. By university it was even >worse - the people with guitars were into things like Fretblanket. Never >stumbled across any kindred spirits with musical pretensions. Perhaps I >should >hang out at more church functions. Anyway, forming a band at university is >never a good move, is it? Can anyone think of a good exception? > >As for making films, well I _have_ already acted in one (show off alert!) and >a >TV series. It's always good having one claim to fame, although the thought of >peaking at the age of 13 is a little depressing. Look me up in the IMDB (my >surname's only had one 'o' in it then). But yes, actually properly making >films would be a whole different thing. Which reminds me, did Susannah ever >develop her fantastic attempts to mock up all the B&S covers with a >self-timer >camera? > >Phew, >Nick >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net >. We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . 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RE: Sinister: Ian Botham on Bad Acid
by PJMiller 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

-----Original Message----- De: susannah <susannah(a)tormentor.clara.net> Para: B&S <sinister(a)majordomo.net> Fecha: lunes 2 de febrero de 1998 1:36 Asunto: Re: Sinister: to dream the impossible dream Ian Botham wrote: > >2) Then I'm going to go from Lands End to John O'Groats doing forward rolls like >that Indian bloke once did, except instead of saying funny mantras I'll be >chanting 'we were sitting on the sofa the wrong way round' over and over again. > Excellent idea, Ian, and very much in keeping with the general tone of Sunday's messages. Robert, Alistair and David remind me of a cross between the Why Don't You Gang and a man whose enthusiasm for all things pop enabled him to buy a farm and go horse-riding whenever he feels like it, top Radio One disc jockey Simon Bates. "It's very easy to criticise, not always quite so easy to find something positive to say", as Batesy used to say about the much-missed Poll Tax. Not to mention my own dear mother, whose catch phrase used to be "Why don't you make your own entertainment?" Nowadays she says, "Just as long as you're getting paid". Richard, it's not nice to call Porky Spice a "fat ugly whore" like that. She's a very nice young lady whose mother is from Huesca. And she's getting married to someone from Manchester United, a regular Busby Babe. As far as being inspired to go do something a little less boring instead goes, a long time ago some friends and myself had the bright idea of writing a fanzine. It was going to be great, it was going to have a top ten clubbers feature, we even got round to doing excruciatingly embarrassing interviews with top pop stars such as the charming Throwing Muses and kindly uncles and aunties of Sonic Youth. It was really good, I thoroughly enjoyed it and thought "what a great way to spend your time" but then everything went horribly wrong. Some of our correspondents were dispatched to the gruesome opium den of the Spacemen 3 dressing room, hoping to get some illumination from some of the greatest minds in the late eighties indie rock galaxy......"Mister Boom, if you were a pizza, what flavour pizza would you be?"...... About five fragrant minutes later Sonic spoke...."That's a.....stupid question." End of interview. End of fanzine. End of enthusiasm. I do like Sonic Boom though. Very entertaining fellow, should be on all the chat shows. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Achoo!! (must have caught a virus)
by Claire Timmins 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Thank you to all who responded to my plea. I kinda guessed that I was safe from the horrors of my secret desire to take Ian Beale and dance naked with him round the Shooting stars set becoming public knowledge , but you always like to be sure. You are all forever in my debt... Rod, I loved the warning given for smerad...whatsitsname. Love Claire. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: new york?
by Johnston, John CT 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

Please don't think I'm being sarkie-bloke but I have a hunch that B&S aren't playing in New York this month. Coz if they were we'd hear it from Katrina and Dave first, right! I honestly believe her when she says that; am I too trusting??? But has she ever let us down? She is the all knowing Trash Heap of B&S date information and I personally will never believe any rumours that don't emanate from Jeepster-land. And you don't want to believe everything you hear in Night Clubs - somebody in a club said I looked like Green from Scritti Politti. That fellow was clearly a lying knave! Maybe the music was very loud and you misheard him - he might have been saying "The bells of San Sebastian are playing havoc with my Mexican grandmother's pigs." I believe that kind of talk is common among hipsters in the big apple. It's been more than a week since my list dream and I have no more. Phew. Thanks to this list I spent much of the weekend listening happily to Moon Safari - I love it! So that's one-one to the list after a bum steer on that Lambchop album. johnny j >---------- >From: DALE COOPER[SMTP:bohobird1@hotmail.com] >Sent: 02 Feb 1998 15:01 >To: sinister(a)majordomo.net >Subject: Sinister: new york? > >hihi > >i was at my local club on saturday night and was told that b&s would be >playing a gig in new york on feb 21? - > >can someone confirm this for me?? > >does anyone know the details for the show - where, when, how much ect. > >please let me know > >much thanks > >boho :) > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net >. We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: i'm too small to fit in B&S t-shirts, it's not fair
by OMUser=Olafia Svansdottir 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

mmmm, I was wondering if they sell any small B&S t-shirts....? I think not. olla ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: new york?
by DALE COOPER 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

hihi i was at my local club on saturday night and was told that b&s would be playing a gig in new york on feb 21? - can someone confirm this for me?? does anyone know the details for the show - where, when, how much ect. please let me know much thanks boho :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: tigermilk
by baggy trousers 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

surprise~! i am not asking for a copy! does anyone know how the name for the album came about? i know that you can basically name an album whatever you wish and not have to have a meaning in it but i thought there might be something behind it.. i cannot think of anyone that i think would do any justice to covering a b&s song...hmmmm..but i am picturing b&s making an attempt at 'late night maudlin street' by morrissey..that might be a bit too down though. roberta **oh you look so tired mouth slack and wide ill-housed and ill-advised your face is as mean as your life has been crash into my arms i want you****** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: Autour de Saint Lucie
by Alan.H 02 Feb '98

02 Feb '98

---------- De : Tag <mctag(a)mcmail.com> A : sinister(a)majordomo.net Objet : Sinister: Autour de Saint Lucie Date : lundi 26 janvier 1998 18:18 Bonjour Cette lettre ne s'agit pas de Belle et Sebastian. J'ai une question pour nos copains (et copines, naturellement) a l'Hexagone. Ce weekend j'ai achete une disque ('Chanson sans issue') par Autour de Lucie et c'est hyper-hyper-yum-yum. Peut-etre quelqu'un peut me dire plus (en privee, pas sur la liste) de cette groupe qui a attrape ma coeur. Merci...je vous embrasse. Le Tageur xx hi, thought you might like to know that the lead singer of the band is the step daughter of a famous tv presenter over here (france, obviously) and i've heard that she is also something of an item with the head of the record label...but i'm not one to gossip... i saw them live once and the covered the smiths' "please please please let me get what i want"...actually they're quite good for a french band... alan.h ps: le tageur in french (maybe you know this) is someone who sprays that bloody awful graffiti all over the city walls, buses, trains and slow moving senior citizens...so there you go ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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