July 1998 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: Taking the ol' plunge
by Andrew O'Sullivan 10 Jul '98

10 Jul '98

Right. I've decided. A very small number of you folks might know me, Sir Royst himself, from the Sinister chatroom. Those with particularly good memories might even remember me from back in the early days, when the list was a mere toddler [in comparison with its late adolescence now] It's the hols! I've got far too much time on my hands. I have therefore decided to make the transition from the digest to the full-blown, full-Monty, full-umm....hog [!] list, not least because I am unreasonably excited about the forthcoming B+S activity. Must say the Treehouse site is a bit of a joy, what? I think the tape swap idea is a *superb* one, and I'm certainly up for it. I hope you all have a great time at the picnic tomorrow - I would come, but I'm not really sure.....next time, maybe? For possibly the first time in my life, I'm actually *really* looking forward to the end of the hols - I mean we have new albums from the Manics, the Divine Comedy *and* B+S, and I shall certainly be doing my best to go to at least one gig by the latter two. Right, the sun is shining, and I'm going to tidy my room. Love to you all, ------------------------------------------------------ Andrew O'Sullivan aeos(a)dial.pipex.com http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/osullivan/ 'Look me up in the Yellow Pages, I will be your Rock of Ages' ------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Picnic - need some info now, please
by Vicky Parkinson 10 Jul '98

10 Jul '98

Is the London picnic still on? I see no-one bothered to put it on the picnic calendar, getting a bit slack aren't we?! Having never had the good fortune to attend one of thses momentous events could someone kindly tell me how to get to the hallowed ground in case I fail to see you outside Camden Tube (rather unlikely though) or I'm late (infinetely more possible, but that's because of my friend, must tell her to meet me at 1pm) It would be nice to hear from someone soon, before I trawl the charity shops looking for an amazing game that still has all the necessary bits and pieces. (why did i leave my Twister at my parents house?) This tape thing, is it going to happen? I think it is the most brilliant idea, and has anyone started planning anything? Won't it be cool, in 10-20 yrs time when we can go to a virtual music store and get a handpicked cd with all those tracks you've always wanted and none of the rubbish? But then I suppose if you had a cd recorder thingie and a mate with a very large music collection it would be cheaper and probably a lot more fun. Isn't technology wonderful? I think I am turning into a frightening preachering type, evangelising to everyone how brilliant B & S are, dominating the stereo in the lounge, playing Tigermilk and IYFS none stop. My flatmates now love them, but I am a little scared it's through brainwashing and not free will. Does it make a difference? Vic ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Picnics and more info..
by Huw Jenkins 10 Jul '98

10 Jul '98

Vicky Parkinson wrote: >Is the London picnic still on? I see no-one bothered to put it on the >picnic calendar, getting a bit slack aren't we?! >Having never had the good fortune to attend one of thses momentous events >could someone kindly tell me how to get to the hallowed ground in case I >fail to see you outside Camden Tube ..... Yeah, me too. I think that'd I'd like to come this time as well now that the hayfever season is settling I can be at ease out in the open without itchy eyes or a runny nose. Ahh bliss. What happens if it rains, as it's meant to? I've decided to leave my job this afternoon, I feel that it's only a matter of time before I get the sack for poor punctuality, for which I have no excuse but I'd like to blame it on the snooze button on my alarm clock. Ichy da, Huw begin 600 winmail.dat M>)\^(C0-`0:0"``$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y`0```````#H``$(@`<` M&````$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`06``P`.````S@<'``H` M#@`.`#$`!0`X`0$@@`,`#@```,X'!P`*``X`#(a)`R``4`.0$!"8`!`"$```!% M,C(a)W-4(X0D9%,3!$,C$Q.3<P1C`P.#`U1C,X-T0T-``2!P$$@`$`&````%!I M8VYI8W,@86YD(&UO<F4@:6YF;RXN`!<(`0V`!``"`````@`"``$#D`8`E`@` M`"T````#``6`""`&``````#`````````1@````!2A0``=!```!X`)8`((`8` M`````,````````!&`````%2%```!````!0```#@N,#(``````P`F@`@@!@`` M````P````````$8``````84````````+``"`""`&``````#`````````1@`` M```#A0````````L`+X`((`8``````,````````!&``````Z%`````````P`" M@`@@!@``````P````````$8`````$(4````````#`#"`""`&``````#````` M````1@`````1A0````````,`,H`((`8``````,````````!&`````!B%```` M````'@!!@`@@!@``````P````````$8`````-H4```$````!`````````!X` M0H`((`8``````,````````!&`````#>%```!`````0`````````>`$.`""`& M``````#`````````1@`````XA0```0````$``````````@$)$`$```!8`P`` M5`,``'X$``!,6D9U!*@'R@,`"@!R8W!G,3(U)C(`^`M@;F<!T#4WZ0%5,S8! MZ"`"I`/C`@`$8V@*P'-E=#`@_P<3`H,`4`/5$B@.4`+R$7G85&%H`W$"@'T* M@`C(-"`["6\P`H`*@75CGP!0"P,,T`'!"Z8@5@W@4&MY(%`*P&L+@'.)`B`@ M=P-@=&4Z"J(["H0+,&,2LA@#"H`^24$$('1H92!,`B!D#1HA<`W@`P!C('-T MQP,0`R`"(#\@21V`">#P(&YO+0(@')`&X!QQJQ:!'&!O'1!U!4!I!4!O&B$< M<1O5'25C!T`)\&1Q"L`L(&<1X!V@#R`@]F$>\"`!<PM@&7`B@!:`A&XG!4!W M93\A&KBQ'!%(878B4A[0=@203B`1H!]Q'(%G;P1P(-L"$``@=1[1'Y%A`D`A MH?,=X1R0;V8<81'0!"`$8/\'@`(P"&`$("51`C`18!OD^06@=6P?<!H0!X`> MPAGA?&1L&9`:@!W!!X`ED&__!^`?D2(1'X(<<A&@'<`KL/\?80G`"&`G80N` M(6$1T!X@XQJZ&',@/F8+<`,@'Y%]'E)Y"&`=X!_0`)`!`"`80V%M`0`#H%1U M8LT<D"XQPB0*6645$"'PXRMQ'Y!O+B`>(1QP"X!7(S`<<"<@)Q]P232!;/QI M:R;3!:`S,C/P'%$'<?\B@`0@(\`=P1Z0*\$T42QU_'EF)5,1T"X`&B$UX1'1 M_G0T\")A'C`A<`.@,9$W0=\X42>Q'](@0QW@<#%!`_";''`Z@W01D!F097D' MD>L%L2*0<B:P;AF0'I`1T/$SD4%H:![P-/`$$#.1]E<W,A&@<#M!!"`&D!_R MNG(+<7,A\#9A(``G*$%W,N`",!^!/R0*-+`E8""_!8$PP1]S(9`DX!R0;1F0 MZ&IO8C6T80&`!)$F,/YN(?`>,#?@*S`W%$!C`B#_*O$BD`#`)S$%P"?2-B(Q MD.\F<2XA+`0<@7,C$B9Q'1!W)C!(P2:P8R:@!T`@`'G[(?!(HG<S\!&0'B$1 MH$(A\QZ0*/!X8RC0'N$?T32ZOP)@,1`<D"`''8!$<7I+D[\?D`.@&B%#80=` M"L!M(6"W"0`9<#(+23PB(<`L&K0X2'5W&V$"T1/Q<S%?#W`N;@NG)!D5@0!4 MT`,`)@```````P`V```````+``(``0```!X`<``!````&````%!I8VYI8W,@ M86YD(&UO<F4@:6YF;RXN``(!<0`!````%@````&]K`2)=^;'^.47R1'2A\<` M(*_&[$\``$``.0`@\:"W!*R]`0,`\3\)!```'@`Q0`$````-````2%5'2"Y* M14Y+24Y3``````,`&D``````'@`P0`$````-````2%5'2"Y*14Y+24Y3```` M``,`&4```````P#]/^0$```#`(`0_____P(!1P`!````-0```&,]1T([83T@ M.W`]4F%I;"!-86YC:&4@1FEN83ML/5)-1C$M.3@P-S$P,3,Q-#0Y6BTQ,S$` M`````@'Y/P$```!8`````````-RG0,C`0A`:M+D(`"LOX8(!`````````"]/ M/5)!24P(a)34%.0TA%($9)3D%.0T4O3U4]4DU&+T-./5)%0TE0245.5%,O0TX] M2%5'2"Y*14Y+24Y3`!X`^#\!````#````$AU=R!*96YK:6YS`!X`.$`!```` M#0```$A51T(a)N2D5.2TE.4P`````"`?L_`0```%@`````````W*=`R,!"$!JT MN0@`*R_A@@$`````````+T\]4D%)3"!-04Y#2$4(a)1DE.04Y#12]/53U2348O M0TX]4D5#25!)14Y44R]#3CU(54=(+DI%3DM)3E,`'@#Z/P$````,````2'5W M($IE;FMI;G,`'@`Y0`$````-````2%5'2"Y*14Y+24Y3`````$``!S``!B9_ M`JR]`4``"#``'^&W!*R]`1X`/0`!`````0`````````>`!T.`0```!@```!0 M:6-N:6-S(&%N9"!M;W)E(&EN9F\N+@`>`#40`0```"X````\-C%$-3%!1C)& M-S0Y1#$Q,3DV14$P,#@P-48S.#=$-#0P-#@W13)`4DU&,3X````+`"D````` M``L`(P```````P`&$/SA78P#``<0:@(```,`$!```````P`1$``````>``@0 M`0```&4```!624-+65!!4DM)3E-/3E=23U1%.DE35$A%3$].1$].4$E#3DE# M4U1)3$Q/3C])4T5%3D\M3TY%0D]42$5214143U!55$E43TY42$5024-.24-# M04Q%3D1!4BQ'151424Y'04))``````(!?P`!````+@```#PV,40U,4%&,D8W G-#E$,3$Q.39%03`P.#`U1C,X-T0T-#`T.#=%,D!2348Q/@```!OX ` end ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Float My Boat
by Thornton, Paul D [LSS] 10 Jul '98

10 Jul '98

Seen NME.Com this morning? Details of the new album, plus- "In Britain, the band are planning to play all dates on boats, although no final details or venues have been confirmed." I guess a concert in Leeds might prove tricky. A request to any New York based listees. I'm in NYC from 20.7 - 27.7.98 (sorry, 7.20 - 7.27 for you lot). Anything I should check out? Anyone else scared by the single guitar stab after the violin bit at the end of Mogwai's "Xmas Steps"? Gets me every time. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Snooze buttons & picnic.
by rob.dawson 10 Jul '98

10 Jul '98

Hiya, so the picnic is still on then? And as for snooze buttons, who the hell invented those? I get up about an hour and a half late every morning after pressing that bloody thing about ten times! Why do I do it? Rob D ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: Picnics and more info..
by poetryplace2 10 Jul '98

10 Jul '98

>Vicky Parkinson wrote: > >>Is the London picnic still on? I see no-one bothered to put it on the >>picnic calendar, getting a bit slack aren't we?! > >>Having never had the good fortune to attend one of thses momentous >events >>could someone kindly tell me how to get to the hallowed ground in case >I >>fail to see you outside Camden Tube ..... > >Yeah, me too. I think that'd I'd like to come this time as well now >that the hayfever season is settling I can be at ease out in the open >without itchy eyes or a runny nose. Ahh bliss. What happens if it >rains, as it's meant to? > Yes, the picnic is on this Saturday, meeting at Camden tube at 2pm, and then on to Primrose Hill. We usually go to the top of the hill, if you don't meet us at the Station. If it rains we'll go down the boozer (probably the Spread Eagle). Also, the Social is on tonight at the Poetry Caff on Betterton Street in Covent Garden from 7.30pm if anyone fancies coming along. Trousers ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: The boy who's always dancing
by Hopkins, Tim 10 Jul '98

10 Jul '98

Carrick wrote > The 80's were a decade quite close to my heart. One beautiful thing > about it was how easy it was to be different. Button the top button of > your shirt you were branded a freak worthy of a serious thrashing. <snip> > But as you look through > the pages you'd always see a few rather peculiar looking kids with quotes > underneath from Jonathan Richman or the Smiths. It was us vs. them. > It was ALWAYS us v them. Us v them is the nature of pop music. Us v them is the nature of growing up and becoming yourself...it's as much a process of exclusion as it is a process of inclusion. It's not necessarily nice, but it is important, to P!O!P! at least. It's petty and it's crass and it's P!O!P! > But American music was thriving in the 80's. It was just not being talked > about. Mission of Burma, Pylon, REM, Dream Syndicate, Minutemen, Husker > Du, The Replacements. Bands you could believe in. > Funny how whoi is us and who is them become blurry though, isn't it? If you'd have pitched up round my way in the 1980s with your talk of the Dream Syndicate and Husker Du, you'd have been met with howls of derision, asked why you had bought into Classic Rock so soon, and then probably been bought a pint of opaque cider. You would then have tried to justify your musical taste to young men who were utterly unwilling to listen to your point of view, and who had already decided that you were a P!O!P! traitor. It was us v them, you see. Now...who cares? But I'd put my shirt (and today it's my vintage Pharcyde t-shirt, of which I'm very proud, so this is no empty boast) that in schools and underage drinking dens around the world, it's still very much us v them. Of course I might be wrong. But since I'm old, I'm automaticallty THEM anyway. So I'm not supposed to know who is us and who is them. The lines are invisible to me. Oooh, time for my bed bath tim ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: Meet Mike, he swims like a fish
by jon g. 10 Jul '98

10 Jul '98

-----Original Message----- From: Perfection As A Hipster <Andreas.Hering(a)stud.uni-hannover.de> To: sinister(a)majordomo.net <sinister(a)majordomo.net> Date: 09 July 1998 01:32 Subject: Re: Sinister: Meet Mike, he swims like a fish >Personally I'd like to read more critical thoughts on this mailing list, >even better when they prevent the unnorthy kids from making a minor >investment for a piece of plastic which may (or may not) cause >dissapointment ... Arg! I can't be critical of them. They're wonderful. I'm obsessed. B&S are just soooooooooooooooooo gorgeous I cannot find it in my heart to be critical of them - it would make me feel like I was being nasty to them. I can't do it. Anyway, we can't have an 80s revival yet - we're only 8 years away from the end and having one now would is dangerous - people are still to connected with their decade to live it again in a cheap schoolgirl-it's-the-latest craze fashion. I can't cope with the 80s. They scare me. Carrick C Blair said: >And really jon g, for any avid fan of Belle & Sebastian, how could a >decade that was graced not only by Orange Juice, but also Felt have ><nothing of any real cultural significance yelling> at you. Isn't that >enough. And besides, seeing the one who writes the majority of the lyrics >for our favorite band spent the majority of his impressionable years in >the 80's, it might be worth your while to take a closer look. Ok, they probably would be. I'm really scared now. I wasn't killing the 80s off, I just meant that they don't mean anything to little me. Perfection as a Hipster said: >I wouldn't mind borrowing the "masters", interested youngsters could >establish a snail mail chain forwarding the cassettes to each other for >individual dubbings or someone might volunteer to make copies for other >listees provided s/he'll be reimbursed as regards the expenses. Besides, in >my humble opinion the last decade was the most enjoyable in terms of P!O!P! >music, closely followed by the Sixties. >Only a thought ... of course, Jon would be the first recipient of said >cassettes. §;^D That's a nice idea, but a bit of a hassle, non? I have a good idea. I'm going into town at precisely 13:00 hours today. At 12:50 I will check my email you can all send me your suggestions for one 80s record that I *have* to own. The one I'm most convinced by, I will buy. Oh, and nothing too, you know. There. Get writing. Upon noone writing, I shall buy somthing of my own choice, most probably from the late 60s/early 70s. Oooh. Isn't Erin's tape tree idea rather good? Right, I'm off to play with the hoover (vacuum cleaner). love a very tired jon g. jon.g(a)btinternet.com - http://surf.to/jongandbethey birthday: 18th july ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: What'd I miss?
by Suzanne Schroeder 10 Jul '98

10 Jul '98

Scrolling through a pile of old sinister digests uncovered somewhere beneath the Dead Sea Scrolls and an old pair of underwear, I noticed that people were mentioning tours and stuff. Silly me erased the originial digest it was listed in due to my bad humor from moving to a new apartment and working nearly 50 hours that week. Who and where and what is everyone wearing so we don't all dress alike? s.s. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: tape trees and summer breeze (s)
by Erin Lewis 10 Jul '98

10 Jul '98

It seems to me that this list encourages lurking - I never seem to say anything until I am sure it is quite safe. Hmmm... Anyway, someone recently mentioned trading mix tapes of pop music, and it reminded me of a tape trade (or tape tree, as we called it) that took place with some members of the trash can sinatras' list. There were about 20 people in a given tape-trading group. The only rules were that you weren't allowed to put any TCS songs on the tape, and you were supposed to send your tape to the next person on the list every two weeks. The same person would always send a tape to you, and you would always send your tapes to the same person. The tapes went in a circle, and order on the list was determined solely by geography, for prompt mail service, natch. I have to say that the tape trade was hugely successful. Even though it kind of fizzled out after a few months, everyone on the list agreed that they were able to largely expand their musical horizons. A lot of the bands that people had name-dropped frequently on the list appeared on tapes, so many were appreciative for the free listen. I personally "discovered" at least 4 or 5 new bands just from the tapes. I'm sure many of you can vouch that mix tapes are much more influential than radio! And since we all love Belle and Sebastian, we have some sort of common ground. This idea would probably not work between the UK and the US, but I think there are enough of us on each side to make it work, if enough people like the idea. So, listees, I leave it up to you to decide if this is a good idea or a bad one. -Erin P.S. I just wanted to add that Mr. Peter James Miller wrote the funniest e-mail I have seen in ages. I am so sick of hearing how great the songs are and never hearing the actual songs! Thank you for setting it straight. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . Coinini athasach ata muid - ag canuint amhrain na . coinini - nach bhfuilimid? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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