March 2000 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: in my supermarket clothes
by alix campbell 19 Mar '00

19 Mar '00

Hello. Ive been to work again and this time I got to work with the fish. I had to wear big white wellies and a stripy apron and shut down the counter, which simply involved throwing water over everything and then sweeping the ice and water into the drain. Fun! Piss Chris said: please, people learn to spell. GRATE means a metal thingie with slits for drainage, ect. it doesn't mean "really, really good.". get back to school, the lotta ya. GRATE as a word denoting really good things, comes from the phrase cheese grater. Cheese is grated and eaten, and enjoyed a great (sic) deal. It has become popular among cheese afficionados (cf. Sarah Clarke, Tim Hopkins) to refer to a cheese session as a spin with the grater and like the word groovy which originally was used to describe a piece of particularly enjoyable piece of music (Shania Twain for example is not groovy, whilst Sarah Cracknell *is* groovy), has become a term that is used more often nowadays to describe a mental state of enjoying an action, rather than the mere physical action. So, although cheese is grated, and this action is known as a grate, the word grate has come, not just to show the action of grating, but also the result of the grating which is good, or grate. Lately, the usage grate has expanded, and is used to refer to anything that is really good. Jason Andreas fish bar: I'll give you a hearty handshake and a Radiohead bootleg <grin> Where I come from, radiohead bootleg is a euphemism for frottage which specifically involves clingfilm and hiccups. Im incredible excited about Clockwork Orange. I love Malcolm Macdowell, but only when he has no stupid beard like he had in Caligula. I can even understand Nadsat. I need massaging. I ache. Stuart Murdoch shopping. Aww. People look at me weird in shops, but its usually warranted. Like when its 3am and Im in my pyjamas, or in summer when Im barefoot in town. Or that time I pretended to be a goth. Accidentally got Bacardi Breezer cravings the other night so went to Dostlar Supermarket and got some. On a week night too. If anyone wants to come and watch the sunset on Primrose Hill on Tuesday night, do come along, Im going, cos Ive not been in ages and its lovely pretty. Lixi.xx "Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's an 8 inch anal probe, silly" ~ DNaMagazine ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: stop crying child, you're making me cry too
by pedro sim�es 19 Mar '00

19 Mar '00

hi. blue smoke to all of you out there, well... it's the first time i write to the list. i'm listening suzanne vega's small blue thing and i feel itŽs a good moment to write my first message. i've been reading all(well, not all)your messages since november and wondering what could i write to you. so... i just want to say that i saw the Velvet Goldmine(finally)last week and i'm really fond of it. i think is one of those movies that could really change you if your chest is open and your eyes are half-open. the new b&s album have such a good name, i really love it. i will listen it just in june or july cause i'm portuguese and ... well it's a long time. I'm feeling tired and soft. My drama school is getting me down and days finish like seconds. listening Dog on weels. Finishing the letter. okay, is done... gently hugs, Pedro "20 years mixing alcohol and downers" ------------------------------------------------------------ Email for Writers & Readers from www.malaspina.com http://www.malaspina.com/ Malaspina Great Books Forum! http://www.malaspina.com/discus/index.html +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: You don't have to be cool to rule my world
by MBP99KLC＠sheffield.ac.uk 19 Mar '00

19 Mar '00

Sorry, I know I've just posted, but I have to reply to this. Qiyamat Boy said: >I read here earlier someone said "I bet most of the people here haven't even >heard"...I think it was a Dylan song or something. I see that a lot. >Musical elitism...How you can assume that other people aren't as well versed as >you, based merely on your own high self-esteem. It was me, but that wasn't what I meant at all! Please believe me, cos I hate musical show-offs too and I'm the last person who would be in a position to show off - I was still listening to Take That when I was about fifteen and most of the music I like now I was lucky enough to be played by my ex-boyfriend or my friends so I certainly can't be superior in any way. When I said that, I was asking about the tape tree, and the point I was making was that there's some great music that I might have heard that most of you haven't (like a Dylan bootleg my dad played me), and probably 1200 great songs that various other Sinisterines love that I've never heard, and that it would be great if there was a way of hearing each other's favourite songs, not so I can show off but because, as you say, "music is music. It's nice, it's for the ears". Actually, now that I'm on the subject, would anyone be interested in joining a tape tree? The current one is already running. It's just where everybody makes a mix tape and sends it to the person below them on a list, and then every few weeks everyone sends that tape on, and so on. If anyone's interested please email me. And you certainly don't have to be cool or anything! katy x "Oh lord, Please don't let me be misunderstood" - someone, I'm not cool enough to know who +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Sound system gonna bring me back up, yeah!
by MBP99KLC＠sheffield.ac.uk 19 Mar '00

19 Mar '00

Hi Sinister. Di said: >i don't know why it never occurs to anyone that perhaps i am actually a >mean >girl. i kind of am in relationships actually. i try not to be, but i >have high >expectations. Yes. It's the only time when you have no choice but to be selfish. These boys you're talking about have to try harder! When I say try harder, I don't mean putting on a front or trying to be something they're not. I just mean they have to still be the person you liked in the first place. I'm not just talking about boys - it's the same for anyone. My trouble is that I always like boys who are a bit cynical, maybe a bit self-effacing even - you know, not loud-mouthed show-offs who act as if they think they're great. I suppose because people who act like that are usually even more insecure underneath than the rest of us. But there's a fine line between being a bit cynical, not taking the world too seriously, and taking everything far too seriously cos you hate everything. It's not that I think finding the right person (or, you know, *a* right person) is the answer to happiness and stuff. But it would be nice though. I think that whether I ever want to have kids or not might depend on whether I found someone I liked enough. But this is looking way into the future - I'm scaring myself now! And I've been studying genetics too long. PineFox quoted: >The indie scene is interested in precisely the jeopardising or loss of >self >through terror or awe, precisely the absolute investment of the >self.... Which I suppose is the whole point about good music. But too many songs focus on love for another person as being the all-important thing, and it's not really. Despite what I just said. That's why B&S are so wonderful - they get to that magic, or, okay, loss of self, without that. The songs can be about the shittiest things in life but still be full of beauty and hope and truth. Someone said a while ago that they couldn't think of a B&S song that could go on a crush tape and that's why. The Offbeat night with all the good music was sold out! I thought there'd be about three people there! And I even did wear a badge. Two of my friends had decided not to go anyway cos that boy one of them fancies wasn't going, but Jamie was going to come with me. We just went to the pub instead and when we'd heard Road Rage by Catatonia for the second time we took over the jukebox and put on David Bowie and Nirvana. katy x "I got a Catholic block Do you like to fuck?" - sonic youth +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: and then they'll *really* look like a Start-Rite kid
by P F 19 Mar '00

19 Mar '00

ladybirds, ladybirds, Never let it be said that I live in the future. I've been heading backwards as fast as my magic boots will carry me for as long as I can remember, no, anticipate. And I finally drifted so far back that I found that Tim Hopkins, once, possibly in another century, maybe in a galaxy, or possibly just a Capri, far far away, said: -------------- the last thing I remember Reynolds writing was that we had had enough (too many?) fantastic songs and that what music needed was a load of noise that superceded the song (he wouldf justify such babble by going on about 'jouissance' and 'the demolition of self' and suchlike which is all very well until you realise he's doing it because, basically, he likes the Young Gods). No doubt he'd hate Belle and Sebastian for the reason that they are the best songwriters operating in the whole of pop music today. Or he'd slip into the easy stereotype of calling them twee and childlike and then bung that stuff about how the whole enterprise is the pop music version of anorexia, which I always thought was a duff argument (to broadly summarise, he said that anorexia was all about refusing one's status as an adult and the consequent pressures and responsibilities of the world; he then identified Talulah Gosh as doing the same thing). ------------------------ I was struck on reading this, because I've finally read the piece that TH is referring to, after many years of having it quoted to me, well nigh verbatim, by my Stevenage collispondent. I wonder, though, about TH's argument. As it happens, I like his first para, especially the use of the word 'babble' - the most casually effective put-down that I've encountered since an Irish foreign minister remarked, 'Ian Paisley should go away'. But TH seems to be saying that SR disliked indie pop, and thus likened it to anorexia in order to put it down. (I can now imagine the wrath of TH as he corrects me re. this interpretation of his rich, nay, polysemic, non, jouissant words.) I don't think that that was SR's take at all, not back when he made the argument - as long ago as 1986. Here he is again: ------------------ [Indiepop's] return to romance is oppositional. Chartpop has grown ever more 'adult' in its treatment of relationships - either more explicit and suggestive or mature and 'progressive'. The idea of a redemptive / devastating love has come to seem a superstition in this age of yuppie self-management and self-sufficiency.... The indie scene is interested in precisely the jeopardising or loss of self through terror or awe, precisely the absolute investment of the self that is forbidden in this secular economy of self.... By a strange process we've reached the point where 'purity' seems more radical than libertinism, more transgressive than sin. The indie scene is obsessed by a dream of purity - of 'pure love', of a 'pure' or 'perfect pop' that evades the taint of the Eighties.... And where all these ideas converge is in two (very much linked) periods - childhood and the Sixties. The Sixties are like pop's childhood, when the idea of youth was still young. ('Against Health And Efficiency', in Angela McRobbie ed, Zoot Suits and Second-Hand Dresses, 1989) -------------------------- blah, blah, blah. I shan't go on - but even TH must admit it's an interesting article; even, I'd have say, an *exciting* one. Fourteeen years on, I haven't seen the meanings of this stuff given a better reading; it's striking how relevant and comprehensible it all remains. But my point to TH is, surely SR wasn't knocking indie pop? He does anatomize it, as Stevie T has said, from a height that is itself (like the indie scene, according to his description) somewhat aescetic - but I think it was more a supportive analysis than a critical one. Which is, I suppose, to say, in response to the original question: yes, SR would probably knock B&S today - but only out of a sense (right or wrong) that they had failed to progress from what he was analyzing way back when. (My own view, needless to say, is that progress isn't a virtue - cf. my first paragraph.) The terms of his original analysis wouldn't give any ground for knocking B&S (the anorexic speculation is thrown in in passing, not made as an accusation); but I do think it still helps us to understand some more of the things that B&S mean - which is quite an achievement for a text written when Neville Southall was playing regular top-flight football. What's that? Really? Never! f2 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. 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Sinister: young, bored and full of coffee
by julesmarkham 19 Mar '00

19 Mar '00

someone told me that there are people out there who have never heard of palace bros. or will Oldham. can this be true?! so, in the spirit of being unemployed and overly generous, the first...3 people to e-mither me privately can have a shiny little compilation tape of the lovely will Oldham doing his stuff. and if more than 3 people reply, well I'll be so flattered, I might just do them compy tapes anyway! jules +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: the american ace harmonica
by adam apparatus 19 Mar '00

19 Mar '00

well, i have no grand ideas to pronounce today... i merely have a question or two. you see, i'm a poor little US boy... and i desperately wish for some bullunsabazcheeun badges, and a copy of alastair's lovely book "young and foolish: a personal pop odyssey". see, but both of these are only attainable from UK sources... and i don't have any pounds, you know. soo... are there any US sinistrals around who've gone through the process of getting badges and books from amazon.co.uk (i want nalda said, too!), and could give me a few pointers? or, would a UK sinistral be willing to cut a deal? i'm desperate... how will anyone know that i'm on sinister if i have nothing to turn upside down! thank you, dearies. - adam aconover(a)optonline.net Tempus Fugit is at: http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~conover/tempus/main.html +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: what a state we could get in...
by David 19 Mar '00

19 Mar '00

ok. maybe this is just too stupid an idea. maybe I spend too much time in #sinister talking complete crap. ok, I do...but finally, perhaps, out of all the crap springs... A GOOD (for which read at 1 in the morning it seemed quite funny) IDEA right, how about....a list band. oh yes. but not just any band.. ok, this is how I see it. it might not work. heck, I'm darned sure it won't, but it could be a lot of fun to see the results.... anyone can join this band. the reason being is that we all record our part (of the pre-decided song, more of which later.....) and it is all tied together with a big piece of string at the end...anyone is welcome, as are any instruments. all that needs to be observed is the basic tune and tempo of the song. so, 10 parts or 1010, it doesn't (in theory) matter. it will all, somehow, be lashed together to make a big musical pie. which we will then EAT. or perhaps just listen to and LAUGH at the foolishness of it all. as far as the song goes, we thought (we being whichever characters were loitering around #sinister at the time) maybe...*shhhhh!* a belle and sebastian song...... I mean, what better way of showing our love of them than systematically destroying one of their songs....? but all ideas will be regarded by the panel (ummm, I'll make one up perhaps....) right...well, thats it so far. if you think it is just the biggest pile of POO you have ever read, delete, and feel free to kick me next time you meet me. if however, it is making you all EXCITED and you think it is one of the top 100 ideas you have heard all day, then mail me with both your song suggestions, and what you want to do in this 'band'. as I have said, anything is welcome, of any talent, and the weirder the instrumentation, the better!somehow 100 bass guitars all playing the state I am in is not *that* appealing! but, if it is what we get, we'll run with it! OK, well, over to you... and mail ME not the LIST. I will be doing a website or something if needs must... ok, well, to work then! david P.S if i have really come up with the daftest idea ever. sorry. :-( +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Eat the NME
by Qiyamat Boy 18 Mar '00

18 Mar '00

I need the loo, but the urge to make my presence known is overpowering even my bladder, that most bossy of organs. I read here earlier someone said "I bet most of the people here haven't even heard"...I think it was a Dylan song or something. I see that a lot. Musical elitism. Quite charming, really. It's like Quorn people feeling righteous, faced with meat eaters. It amuses me. How you can assume that other people aren't as well versed as you, based merely on your own high self-esteem. Not you, the person who said it, but people who do that....this....in general. People striving to be hip, I can understand, but music is music. It's nice, it's for the ears. It's not all-bran. Made sense to me, anyway. Harry +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: cross your eyes child, you look like a moke
by GardeningAtNight＠aol.com 18 Mar '00

18 Mar '00

I don't know why I'm writing this, I just feel like it. I think I hate photography again. There was about a week there that everything was going right, but then last night I went and saw Looper again in Columbia and brought my camera, but the whole roll of film came out blank. Not even black pictures! So I kicked the crap out of our old ugly gray 1984 Volvo outside the 1-hour photo shop for what seemed like forever. But then I felt better. Now I'm worried that my photo project for school isn't going to work. But I had so many grate pictures of StuD and wee Karn and a guy who I thought was Ronnie but I really don't know why I thought that. I talked to him right after they played, but it just went something like this: me: hey, you guys were grate! him: thanks. me: yeah. uh, we, uh, i came just for you, just to see you guys. him: really? cool* me: yeah. uh, well, have fun on your tour and stuff.. him: thanks. And I snapped a photo of a cute college boy with everything in common with me who I chatted up (which is very unlike me so naturally I was proud) but now I have no proof of even being there besides my t-shirt. It's so twee, I wore it around today and felt all special like I had the greatest secret in the world and no one else had a clue, which is how it sort of is with us and B&S. jen with the clorox-white socks said: << This week, in school, I've been conducting a social experiment. Yes, I have decided to inflict my dazzlingly white knee high socks on St. Brides High School. I stuck at it all week, despite getting a bit of a kicking in the cantene the first day I wore them, despite being called Brittany Spears, despite loud and harsh laughter everytime I go by a group of hard kids, and despite the fact that I have crap legs, and my pleated skirt is slightly too small for me. >> At least you have the guts to do it. I wouldn't. But the kids at your school sound unnaturally cruel. I was harassed nearly everyday until the beginning of last year but.. well I guess it actually was as bad as that. I dreaded the bus then, the kids spit gum in my hair in 6th grade and stole my hair clips and called me names and I really believe that I'm scarred for life. Junior high was hell, at least in high school the place is big and crowded enough for me to make myself invisible. jen also said: << the chorusmaster is a moke. Like when I called him a bluddy moke, and he heard me. >> Cool. You are my hero! You know, I should search the archives and count how many times that word has come up. It's growing on me. Moke moke moke. Samantha * I can't verify that he said cool but I really hope he did. He probably just went off and said to the others, "this weird girl just tried to talk to me. I hope our other fans aren't like this.." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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