May 2000 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: Get Out Of The Offiice And Beyond The Sunrise
by David Moore 09 May '00

09 May '00

Hello Again Or, The June Select is peppered with B&S references. (Illegitimates!) Sinister FC appear in the ATP photos (inside front cover), Legal Man & Geometrid get reviewed, 2000 Troubled Teenagers is bigged up (better order your guaranteed entry passes*), & Stevie speaks about the single: (WARNING: mention of not yet released Belle and Sebastian material follows!) "We recorded it as part of the sessions for the new album about a year ago, but it was never intended to go on there. 'Legal Man' is quite a straight title, the lyrics are kind of legal-speak. As to 'Judy Is A Dick Slap'... it fitted. I don't know if she's the same Judy from 'Judy And The Dream Of Horses'. 'Winter Wooskie' was written by Stuart David, who's not actually in the band any more. It's about his wife. Maybe Wooskie is his pet name for her. Are we hoping for a summer hit? Yeah, God, hope so! This idea that we're doing the three-track format in order to be eligible for the charts - apart from 'This Is Just A Modern Rock Song', all the previous EP's _were_ . They _all_ got in the charts. Would we do "Top Of The Pops"? Like a shot! Of course! Who wouldn't? Why else would you want to be in a band? Ach, y'know, if you're bound to everyone's expectations you might as well give up. Every EP we wanted to be a hit. Have we sold out? Maybe if we keep getting offers for adverts one day we'll crack; everyone's got a price. People are always asking to use tracks - I can't say which ones - and offering vast sums of money. I'd be quite into _writing_ music for an advert - that'd be quite interesting - but you can't stake your reputation on a chocolate bar." Hmmmm, seems like Mick's not the only one who's been reading the list recently. (*send an SAE to Teenage Troubles, 12 Deloraine House, LONDON SE8 4PY & state how many you require. Maximum 4 per SAE) Love, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: we're stupid, we
by Michael Cronshaw 09 May '00

09 May '00

Hello everybody peeps, Cor blimey, you leave your puta alone for a few days and whatta lotta mail builds up. I was chuffed to see that there have been some good posts recently, even some with B&S content! Twas good to hear that B&S may be being used for footie music on the radio. Twould be grate if legal man was used on match of the day for euro 2000! (sorry non-britsh residents, this won't mean anything tyu) B&S selling out? Who cares?! They've been selling out since they were born, they've always been trying, waiting for the 'right time' (e.g. the limited release of Tigermilk and the deliberately delayed re-release), building up a cult fan base, getting credible publicity/anti-publicity. It's what they studied at school. They have a masterplan. Good luck twum. Opened my window to the sun at the weekend to hear someone playing Sinister and it was good to hear other people appreciating what I appreciate - I felt a sense of community, like sinister, but wider and greater. I hope they make it big, it's what they want. And I'd like a revival of the late eighties/early nineties, when indie was popular and you could hear the music you like without going out of your way. B&S have always been on the cusp of breaking into the big time, and one day one of their publicity-with-credibility plans might work. The dancy & familiar Legal Man might be the one, with it getting airplay, being eligible for the singles chart, and with cult followers like us buying two copies. Could it make no.1 in its first week in the UK? Maybe, but it will probably drop to no.36 in its second week. Let's just hope that when it happens, fame and achievement doesn't break B&S up any further. Steps - grate. In two senses of the word. They may be freaks but that's just marketing. Whoever writes their songs comes up with choons, even if they are over-played. And that's just fine. I think B&S & Steps should release a single in the same week, there could be another Blur/Oasis-type battle! Just want to point out that Marx was not responsible for Ceaucescu. Or Stalin for that matter. Doesn't matter what the system is, these are just examples of power abuse - could have happend in any system, Marxist or not. It's just western propaganda that links the names without explaining the differences. And the 'real world' is not all about people getting burnt alive. It's not all about pain and misery. This is *part* of the real world, but the real world also contains good fings. The real world, objectively speaking, is as much about getting mugged as watching a beautiful sunset. Spending part or all of your time looking on the bright side is a good thing. Vive la sinister list and its twee subscribers! (at this point I wrote reams philosophising and justifying this view in terms of sociology, anthropology, morals and government, but deleted it as it was boring! If anyone wants to debate this point, I'll let loose) Twee - 'excessively sentimental' - isn't this a definition of romantic? I see twee as a compliment. I can tolerate the bunny-lovin faction of the twee movement, but I think it's a misconception that all twees are like that. Good to hear that Billy Bragg & Wilco have reconciled for another album of Guthrie. Billy can be excellent live, except at Glasto last year, when he played lots of Guthrie stuff and nobody seemed to know or care about it. But when everyone sings along to his songs and laughs at his between-song quips, it's a magical experience. Girls & boys - some girls are from venus, some from mars, some boys are from venus, and some from mars. We've all heard the 'I don't understand men/women' thang, and no matter what the gender, the arguments against the offending party are always the same. It's always a case of individuals having different beliefs and attitudes. I think bad experiences can lead us to generalise. But there are lots of well-matched people out there for everyone (said the single person!) With all this talk of Sebastian Bach, let's not forget Johann Sebastian Bach - if he hadn't well-tempered his clavier, there would be no B&S melodies. I hated those pieces of his before I found out that he was the first keyboard tuna. Now I think they're beautiful. And nuff Isobel jealousy already. Anyway, that's my opinions. Laters innit. Mikey.x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: Edinburgh - Princes St Gardens Picnic - June 10
by Wayne Fortune 09 May '00

09 May '00

"Wayne Fortune is a cool name" Oh yes it is my real name. I don't really like it though, but after Jason's post I'm just glad I'm not girl! Ba Ba __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: I wish that life could be just like a photograph. But not one of me...
by Alasdair Cook MC1996 09 May '00

09 May '00

You people are dirty. That's why I love you. That picnic thing on Saturday was a bit of a laugh. Jen can handle her drink far better than me, but then I am a big girl's blouse. She's now a fully paid up member of the Sinister "we're only happy in the pub" brigade, and long may she rool. Everyone else was brill as well. I strive to match the coolness level of these people. I'm not succeeding. I also heard Legal Man for the first time, and it's fantastic! Although obviously it promotes anarchy. Which is a..........good thing! "JESUS CHRIST!", you may have said to yourself as you opened the first new photo on the picnics page. Who the HELL is that ugly bastard? Well, unfortunately, tis me. I thought I'd seen some bad photo's of myself but that takes the entire biscuit barrel and the sweet trolley with it. Overall a good weekend, only marred by the fact that I had to spend most of it with those complete arses Martin "Playground Love" Robinson and Matt "Cunt" Powell. Those people are the scum on my boots. Laughing at B&S members dancing has long been a hobby of mine, and this weekend has been a top one for my scrapbook, with a new "cossack" variation from Chris and the usual alternate bouncing feet while spinning from Murdoch. These people should not be allowed out in a civilised society. Mind you, neither should I. Sarah said: > Fellow sinners, > > First off: And for a second I thought she said "Fuck Off", which would have been the greatest start to a mail ever. But it wasn't. Luckily, though, the rest of her mail was great, so that made up for the disappointment. I don't have much to say at the moment, as I can never be bothered to get involved in list issues. Because I'm really stupid. Oh, I went on Sinister chat for the first time today, and it was wonderful. The way you can talk to people without having to see their ugly mugs. And vice versa. Actually I think Trousers was the only one in there with an ugly mug. It has a picture of Ron Atkinson on it. Boom boom. When, will I, will I be funny? Never. Finally, Lawrence M said: > amongst the dull indie pop came "She's > Losing It", and I got up and danced and danced and danced and, for two > minutes, I have never felt so happy. Which made me think of the end of a poem by Auden. It's from memory, though, so might not be right. It goes Dance, dance, for the figure is easy The tune is catching and will not stop Dance till the stars come down with the rafters Dance, dance, dance till you drop. And on that note, I shall take my leave. I have to find a hammer so I can smash Matt Powell's face in. I'll smash it so much he'll end up actually looking handsome. Then I'm off to the swings with Martin Robinson. Bye. Alasdair xx PS This has been a bit of a rubbish post, hasn't it? Sorry, I'm tired. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: hot feet
by sweetie something 09 May '00

09 May '00

sinister some irrelevant info: im sitting here in denny library coz of some reasons anyway on with the email the meetup: was super fun everyone was lovely i would list names but id feel silly coz id probably miss some out or get them wrong due to my rubbish memory cant wait till the next one edinburgh here i come... :) i paid £1 for 1/2hr net access :/ theres these kids from my school sitting behind me at a table doing work or something but talking more and one of them keeps talking about wanting a go on this machine and i can feel her reading my email *RAH* time is short so i must be off very shortly one last thing i thought id pop into #sinister here for a while but its a filtered site!!!!!! i was not chuffed! over and out somewhere else, sweetie xox ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Sinister things in Edinburgh
by Alan Burns 09 May '00

09 May '00

Okay, let's get to the bottom of this mystery right now..... "Napier University, Merchiston Campus - The Belle & Sebastian Toilet Cubicle In The Gents Up The Stairs To Your Right As You Arrive." What is the strange force that a humble convenience could exert, that B&S lyric quotes appear on its walls on a daily basis, in at least four different people's handwriting?? That's four including me today, as I finished off a line from TBWTAS that someone had left hanging in mid air. So who are the other three?? I think there ought to be 24 hour vigils to check everyone who goes in and out. The tally so far: lines from TBWTAS, today. lines from The State I Am In, today. lines from Le Pastie De La Bourgoisie, last week. (now painted over.) lines from If You're Feeling Sinister, before that. (ditto.) lines from Slow Graffitti (how apt!), before that. (ditto.) one other one that I can't remember, around the same time. Some mighty spooky things are happening. Maybe it'll all come to light at the Sinister Picnic on June 10th (I'll hopefully be there.) see yous! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: RE: Woddy Guthrie/Wilco/Billy Bragg
by Michele Waggner 09 May '00

09 May '00

>I had the good luck to have seen Billy Bragg when he played the Symphony >Space in NYC about two months ago and he played strictly Guthrie music. The >show ran probably over two hours and he spoke through almost all of it about >the collaborative effort between he and Wilco and the period of American >history the music came out of. Neat stuff. He played probably ten songs >and the rest of the time was an unscripted monologue. Wow... How many other Sinisterines were there? List Mummy and Linda and I were there too ... we could have had a picnic! Maybe we need something bigger than upside down badges so we can find each other in crowds... Sinister Hats or something readily noticeable. It was nice, very different for a Billy Bragg show... he was like a sweet professor of Woody songs and music lore. (Ok, ok, I really DID keep waiting for him to pick up an electric guitar from the wings and sing "ShirrrrrrLEEEY.") I've seen Billy do the Mermaid Avenue songs a few times, both with Wilco and with the Blokes. I tend to like it better when he does it with the Blokes, but I think that's due to my taste. A lot of what he said at Symphony Space he'd said here and there before, but it was indeed neat to hear him explain the process of putting the lyrics to music. I think a lot of people did initially wonder about Nora Guthrie choosing him and,as Billy says, think it was Bob Dylan's job -- but once you hear him talk about it you do see the thread that ties Woody's background to Billy Bragg's. Anyone who has the chance to see the tour this summer should definitely do so. Twice. Thomas, are we related? My gram's maiden name was Ferris. --michele +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: This machine kills fascists
by stephen hewitt 09 May '00

09 May '00

ello lovely people I think the recent spate of lovely weather has been caused by my listening to Legal Man LOTS. I'm sure that it is burning the clouds away due to it's extremely SUNNY NATURE, oh and the fact that it's got lots of "ba"s in, which always promote nice weather. All together, "baababababa babababa ba bababaa" Somebody (sorry, memory like a sieve) asked if the band would do Top of the !P!O!P!s, to which in every article i've seen it mentioned to them they've said "too bludy right we would" AND WHO CAN BLAME THEM. They might get to stand next to Daphne and Celeste (the Milli Vanilli of the 21st Century IMHO) and they can sing "you UGLI" to <insert your least favourite band member (and her cello) here>. I still have this weird feeling that they're going to open for oas*s at their wembley gigs in July, don't ask me why, just one of those feelings... The Glasgow "picnic" (is PUBnic a word? can it be one?) sounded like a lot of fun, although proves again that you must be a world class drinker to keep up with the glasgow mob, and good to see them getting jen off to a flying start on her boozing career. Chris and Ferris mentioned Billy Bragg and i will mention him again just to keep honey happy :) billy bragg billy bragg billy bragg I saw him do"all you fascists are bound to lose" at Glasto last year with "the blokes" and it does rock, but i think it's a woody guthrie song, but i might be wrong(??!?). <advert>Hopefully he'll be there again this year. If you're thinking of going to glasto, click on the link at the bottom of this mail </advert> Last time i posted i said: S*LL*NG O*T, Don't get me started... When what i really meant was "i'd like everyone to express what i'm thinking but in a much clearer and more expressive manner than i could ever possibly manage so I can just sit and nod and look clever" So thank you everyone for that :) xoxo CarsmileSteve mmmmm, hot and spicy cider.... http://www.egroups.com/group/siniglasto +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: We hate stories
by jarkko frantila 09 May '00

09 May '00

No, hold on. I know, I know. Another fookin' story? Please not. You Don't Care. But hey, the following is NOT a dream, NOR fiction. And it's as B&S as you can get. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There was this guy, right? (This is not your ordinary "Bu-huu, life is horrible and girls too"- crap, so hang on in there). He was majorly into this twee-shit, Little Prince etc. Now, a little more than a year ago he had a blinddate: His ex- girlfriend was using IRC while he called her this one night. And it so happened that she was talking (or is it IRCing they do via the net? oh well...) with some girl who had just found the Smiths- albums. So the boy asks his ex to fix him on a blinddate. So she does, and the next evening they meet in this small bar, the guy and the late Smiths-bloomer. What a fucking drag the girl is, the boy thinks to himself then. Cocky, been around the world and TOO proud of it, not even that special looking (the guy IS shallow). There had been some talk over the phone before they met that they'd go and see this horrible band play live in the nearby club. The guy says he has no money (and did the blinddate believe it? Hah!), so they have that funny conversation which we ALL have had: Boy: "Hey, I'll call you sometime in the near future! Promise!" Girl: "Ok." Like hell he calls her. Well, the guy goes home. And writes a textmessage to her ex- girlfriend: "THE CHICK WAS A FUCKING DRAG!" A few minutes pass, and an answer comes back (Now, this is where it gets interesting): "THERE'S A GIRL WITH A B&S-SHIRT IN HERE!" The guys ex is attending the same gig he and his blinddate were supposed to go to. The guy, seriously fucked after the worst (and first) blinddate of his life, messages her back: "WELL ASK HER IF SHE'D MEET ME TOMORROW!" A few minutes pass again, and the answer comes back: "OK, GOT HER NUMBER, YOU HAVE A DATE!" A bit freaky, uh? Well they meet the next evening, the boy not getting his hopes up too much. But, much to his surprise, the girl is ok. B&S- badges, jeans, sneakers, all that stuff. And pretty too. Although she's awfully shy and not very talkative. She tells him she had been to the Bowlie Weekender, though, which is quite cool. The evening goes well, and they both promise they'd call each other. And the guy DOES call (see, sometimes we DO phone you back) and they go to a "party" and drink some liquids. And watch South Park. "Party" because there's only him, her and the guys friend in there. But it's ok, and after that they go to a club and watch some crappy band make an ass out of themselves. As the time goes by they see each other, the guy and the blinddate- girl, more often. Move forward a year, and the guy and the girl finally get together. What happens between that period of time? You don't want to know. Let's just say that the guy has a few girlfriends but it all goes fine in the end. And the girl becomes a bit more talkative. And she also is trying to get in to the university this year to study english. And that's why I don't see her this evening. And she's reading this, so I'd better stop. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @--->--- Jake le PetitE, killing time before leaving work in about... 30 minutes. ps: It's a tad too cute for my taste, now that I read it again. Pfff. Well I don't care. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: RE: Woddy Guthrie/Wilco/Billy Bragg
by Thomas, Ferris 09 May '00

09 May '00

Only this morning it was read that Steve C. said... > On May 30th, Mermaid Avenue 2 is being released... > ...which should be really interesting. I had the good luck to have seen Billy Bragg when he played the Symphony Space in NYC about two months ago and he played strictly Guthrie music. The show ran probably over two hours and he spoke through almost all of it about the collaborative effort between he and Wilco and the period of American history the music came out of. Neat stuff. He played probably ten songs and the rest of the time was an unscripted monologue. The record has got a lot of guest appearances on it though the only one that comes to mind is Natalie Merchant. -ferris. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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