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Re: Sinister: B & S travelogue--tautologies and oxymorons
by Nick.Dastoor＠guardian.co.uk 15 Aug '00

15 Aug '00

I knew we could coax a top linguistics student into this: > Here's another oxymoron that might be more interesting: > > "I am a lazy gett, she is as pure as the cold driven snow" > >but it depends on an interpretation of 'driven' as driven through, or >maybe driven away, as an outcast? This is iffy and probably has to do >with my original mishearing of 'cold' as 'coal', i.e. perfect snow that >has been blackened by human traffic. A point in my favor: snow is such a >cliched image for purity, he must have meant to use it in a new way. >Otherwise, what does 'driven' have to do with purity, unless it's purity >of the repressed or frigid sort, not innocence. I don't see what you mean here, Youn. Isn't 'cold driven snow' just a stock phrase? It might sound odd, but I'm pretty sure lots of people use it. It's kind of poetic, as cliches go. I always assumed it meant 'driven' in the sense of a blizzard that 'drives' down hard. But I have to say I was never quite sure. >But aren't tautologies supposed to be literally tautological? Then it's >contingent on either interpretation of 'or'. But this isn't taking >into account the meaning of 'could'. It's a tautology with a wide scope >reading for the modal, which is justified because 'either' follows it, >unless you don't believe it's possible for anyone to be successful. And >say that we mean something is possible if it is at all possible. Oh dear, I give up. Would anyone with a a higher IQ than me like to join the fray? Incidentally, I am aware that this thread might strike some of you as wanky in the extreme. You may be right and you may be wrong. Even more incidentally, my Exeter City tautology wasn't very good because they could always draw. Unless it was a cup match. Yes, that's what I meant all along. So incidentally it hurts, the other day I was watching the Simpsons and found Homer talking about monkey butlers. Might this be the root of the gnomic reference on back of the new album? Or have I just led a sheltered life and everyone else is talking about monkey butlers all the time? N. xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: B & S travelogue--tautologies and oxymorons
by Nick.Dastoor＠guardian.co.uk 15 Aug '00

15 Aug '00

Schatz - I'd say your friend isn't half as clever as you think and the oxymoron is probably 'Summer in winter, winter in springtime' after all. I'd also guess that the tautology s/he had in mind is one you missed. When it comes to tautologies, there's a fine line between stupid and clever, but I reckon We Rule the School's "Written for anyone to read, and to see" is firmly in the 'stupid' camp . I think someone else said as much a while ago. I mean of course they can bloody see it if they can read it. Unless it was *carved* into the bus stop with some kind of really sharp implement and could be read with one's fingers, but I don't think that's very likely at all. IncidentalIy, I wouldn't say 'You could either be successful or be us' is strictly speaking a tautology, because taken alone, 'us' isn't necessarily unsuccessful. The line is indirectly imparting the information that they are not successful. Even if the line were "you could either be successful or be unsuccessful", one could argue that it wasn't tautological, because it would be offering two alternative life paths, rather than simply making a meaningless prediction of the 'Well, Exeter will either win or lose this match' variety. > we had a big search for a boy called richard's poo Bet he gets bullied. Oh, I see - he does. > So then a boy called Hatham who is gay decided to not be gay > any more and stick his tongue in my mouth instead. Please can this be the new footer, honey? N. x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Nitpic in the Park
by Lorraine Hosie 15 Aug '00

15 Aug '00

WAHHHH! Indeed. The 27th is also Notting Hill Carnival Sunday!! Last year I had to walk around the Imperial War Museum with my Dad; if I don't go the the carnival this year, all my friends will say I am a big girlie blouse and only going to a B&S picnic coz I can't hack the pace of drinking 15 pints whilst wearing a giant chicken on my head. I'm ruined! Please reconsider thy foolish notion...? Lorraine +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: One For The Kids....
by ELZober＠aol.com 15 Aug '00

15 Aug '00

hello all in Sinister Land..... i don't even know how to post this, because the comedy factor alone is practicaly killing me..... i'm a cynical bitch me.... anyway - i was out shopping with "my girls" today.... the way American girls tend to... checking out the latest Britney Spears CD and what was new at Abercrombie and Fitch..... when i stopped into my old work to go pee..... you see, i'm fond of little children, so when i got my seasonal job at the Gap last year i chose to work at GapKids (note to international sinister - The Gap has three seperate stores in the US that handle Baby, Kids and Adult clothes seperately - most UK stores sell them all in the one main store... anyway - details..... ) and there was something eerie.... something odd... and then i realize that i'm listening to "You're A Baby" from Tigermilk...... the Gap may be short on tweeness, but they're long on overseas workers, cardies and twin sets..... elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Richard Brautigan wrote better stories when he was alive (off topic)
by garymaher＠juno.com 15 Aug '00

15 Aug '00

On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:23:50 +0100 (GMT/BST) Andrea Kittenmouse writes: > i noticed that at least two people have mentioned the writer Richard > Brautigan in the last week or so in Sinister town. he is one of my absolute > favorites, especially his collection of short stories, Revenge of the Lawn. > has anyone read this? what are your favorite stories from it? one of mine > from that book is called "Trick or Treating Down to the Sea in Ships" or > something like that. Revenge of the Lawn is the one that does it for me, too! It was introduced to me by a high school English (meaning literature, mostly, with a bit of grammar, as opposed to language -- have to translate for the world audience) teacher, of all people, who presented us with A Need for Gardens one day. (The story is about recurring attempts to bury a living lion in a too-small hole, much to the beast's consternation.) So was it this experience, at age 16, that warped me, or was I already there? Anyhoo, my favorites at one time (I know this because I marked them in my book) are / were Homage to the San Francisco YMCA (about a man who replaces all the plumbing in his house with poetry -- "I look great as a kitchen sink," Emily Dickenson's poetry said); the aforementioned A Need for Gardens; and The Post Offices of Eastern Oregon, which I won't try to synopsize. Then there's the wonderful Lint, which reads, in its entirety, as follows: "I'm haunted a little this evening by feelings that have no vocabulary and events that should be explained in dimensions of lint rather than words. I've been examining half-scraps of my childhood. They are pieces of distant life that have no form or meaning. They are things that just happened like lint." Just looked at "Trick or Treating Down to the Sea in Ships" for the first time in a long time. This man was brilliant! {I'm sorry, this IS the graduate level literature forum, innit?} gary P.S. Will I never get to the point and start rambling about my precious B&S? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: hmmm- i'm thinking andrei bolkonsky popular
by RythSoul＠aol.com 15 Aug '00

15 Aug '00

> okay- what i really wanted to ask was this- > 1) do you think they are getting REALLY popular, or am > i just paranoid and primed to see it. > 2) does anyone else feel like it's "your" music....[and > i mean this in both the most figurative and childish > sense.] and do you get sort of jealous when other > people listen? Just yesterday a friend of mine who DESPISED B&S was telling me how he went into Best Buy to pick up IYFS but to his disappointment all they had was Fold Your Hands...I can't tell you how much this is irritating me. And I feel so ridiculous for it. I mean, I know I should be happy that we can finally listen to them together, but I just can't help remembering the days when he would beg and plead for me to turn it off and now he is out searching for them. And then, to top it all off, he's got his little friend listening to them now too. I can't help but feeling like my little world is being invaded. I can't believe how childish I am behaving, but I can't help it. Someone help me please!!! On a different note, I just got back from summer camp and everything in the world looks a lot better then before I left. Now I know what you're thinking....summer camp! I know, I know, how stupid right? But it's not. I guess I should explain. It's not your average YMCA, go horseback riding, arts and crafts kind of camp. It's a cancer camp. Whoa...I'm reading this and slowly realizing that my explanation is not making it sound any more appealing. But really, it's the most amazing place in the world. I swear it is what heaven must be like, because not a moment goes by when I'm there that I don't feel love. And what an inspiration! I never really realize how amazing my journey has been until I am surrounded with others who have shared my experiences. They are the most incredible people in the world. I'm sorry, I'm going on and on and I'm sure there probably isn't one person who is finding this interesting...but I am so elated and overjoyed with absolutely no way to release it and almost no one else to share it with. Well...I'll be on my way. Keep Smiling LIssa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: need/oranges ...
by Jillian Locke 15 Aug '00

15 Aug '00

yes.. after months of being a lurking creep amongst the cardigans of sinister, i have decided to post because of 'oranges are not the only fruit', 'the need', and Brautigan appearing, miraculously, in the same post... i would agree that j. winterson, author of 'oranges...' is a fantastic writer.. my favorite of hers would have to be 'written on the body'. i was trying to make a belle and sebastian connection to the novel, but can only come up with my personal opinion that belle and sebastian is genderless. now this, at first, fits well with the theme of 'written' but seeing as throughout the whole novel i was convinced that the main character was a woman.. i guess this nullifies any connection to belle and sebastian, or gender removal, or lust or anything that both of these entities contain. hmmm.. well onto the need.. i think they are a fabulous band, and thats all i have to say about them since ladyfest was not an option for me! also in the list of things i think are fabulous are the bizzare and hilarious short stories contained in 'everything you ever wanted to know about sex... but were afraid to ask'. sheep.. transvestites.. yeah! opinions anyone? well .. i promise that my next post will not be as short and erratic as this one has been.. i'm in a skittish mood! jillian __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: career shopping
by idle berry 14 Aug '00

14 Aug '00

Hi hi hi, well, here I sit in bournemouth looking for a little help. Any suggestions about what career an idleberry ought to go into? I am not entirely sure. On the plus side, my virtual fortune cookie said that the outlook was good. whatever that means. And my starsign looks good too. I'm libran by the way. Even though I still don't have a job, and might have to go home by next week, as funds are running low. I suppose what I need to find is something to clear my head and focus my thoughts onto. I've been receiving a lot of e mails recently, from random people who have been visiting my site. They ask me to interpret dreams for them, which I have done. Although I am not an experienced dream analyst, I try my best with the books I have. I don't know how much use I've been to these people, its quite nice to have such interest. I also wonder sometimes where people hear about my site from. Okay, yes, its in a search engine or two, but its quite mad to see that its not just my pals who end up e mailing me about it! I think also that dreams are a very individual thing. And many people who have translated them come up with all sorts of wierd and wonderful suggestions. I think Freud's ideas about dreams were best, they were less about predicting a future, as opposed to exploring the human psyche. I'm feeling sort of thoughtful today. Thinking a lot about thingsa I'd rather not think about. I have so many things to do, and to be honest, I cannot be bothered. I'm sort of in a dreamy mood as well. I like dreaming, day dreaming mostly. And the annoying thing is, I haven't gotten round to fulfilling my dreams. Plus, a lot of it is generally hard work. So anyway, if anyone wants to discuss dreams, then feel free. You know where to contact me. cheers a dreamy idleberry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Marsupial Sinister fans
by Dewar 14 Aug '00

14 Aug '00

Hi folks, On Friday I finished with my IT job, and today was my first day off! Wow, at last I got to have summer holidays!! I celebrated by having a pub lunch with a few friends, and then went for a paddle in the river Tay up beside the unique geological feldspar microdykes that we have up my area. The water was fantastically warm. I think i prefer that to working. **Kind of Important Bit (for me at least)*** Anyways, I don't normally write about myself, but I have quit my job to go out and live and work in Australia / New Zealand for the next year. I leave on 3rd September and arrive in Auckland, New Zealand in October, after a wander around California. In December I reach Sydney, and propose to spend a good amount of time there working. Soooo, if anybody lives in Australia, especially Sydney I guess, or New Zealand, (or even California) and would like to meet up with a Scottish B&S fan then could you please let me know? It would be a great help to settle in actually. Even if you could just give me pointers where to go for a night out or whatever, that would be fine. Rafe! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: hmmm- i'm thinking andrei bolkonsky popular
by Eric D Brasure 14 Aug '00

14 Aug '00

> okay- what i really wanted to ask was this- > 1) do you think they are getting REALLY popular, or am > i just paranoid and primed to see it. > 2) does anyone else feel like it's "your" music....[and > i mean this in both the most figurative and childish > sense.] and do you get sort of jealous when other > people listen? I just have to comment on this. really, I do. my comment is as follows: speaking as someone who hides the b&s cds in any store I see them in (blocking the little plastic sign that says "belle and sebastian", and putting things like abba in front. this is probably a bit nuts and maybe even mean.), I would say that they're getting more recognition, but not more popular. like, I was in my local best buy (and for those of you don't know what one is, it's a overly large electronics/music/appliance/computer/video game store that is actually pretty scary) and in the "new rock" display, next to matchbox 20 or something was "fold your hands". I mean.... why? just... why? still, no one knows who they are, but for some reason there's more notice of them. it's like there's some sort of campaign to get b&s more prominently displayed. wow, this was poorly written. oh well. -eric +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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