November 2001 - Sinister

Sinister: Ken in the snow, way Chu go!
by Rachel fruitloop 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

Helloooooo Sinister!! I was so excited the other night when I finally sifted through all 149 e-mails that were in my inbox and developed the makings of a post that spanned over a week's worth of sinister coverage, when lo and behold--snippets without comment add up to 29k of information! TOO MUCH LOVE, SAYS I, ARRRR! SHIVER ME TIMBERS! Over all, I've only sifted through 'til tuesday (that was for you, Lisey! *Elise sings: "keep it down now, voices carry!"*) I found too many things I wanted to control-p on. Miraculously, there has been *lots* of B&S content lately, too! I think I'm going to do a batch-post thingie. This is part one. OK, I'll tell you lot who are depressed over Christmas-time that I used to be really depressed this time of year, too (moreso than usual). You know what helps? Not living with your parents. Call me fruitloopy, but I have had some really grate Christmases since I got a bit older. Maybe this is something that some of you depressed kitties out there can look forward to. I find that my mother especially LOVES to start fights on holidays, she tried her hardest on Thanksgiving but I used my secret grown-up game plan: going home! Yay! Apparently, I "have low standards" and can never "date anyone nice" so my mother has taken it upon herself to try to fix me up with a used car salesman and a magician! I'm sure they're nice, but, um... yes, I'd rather be drinking gasoline, MUTH-errrr! I felt I REALLY should have a molotov coctail, when mom yelled at all of us "kids + wives" (mind you, the youngest is 22) for PUTTING OUR DISHES IN THE SINK. That's right, IN the sink.*rachie yanks on Mandee May's jacket and pulls a face* I didn't get the telepathic memo to NOT put dishes in the sink, and neither did anyone else. In the teen years, we had no escape, but oh HAPPY DAY, I have my own house to go home to now! This factor can make any holiday mele� easily escapable! Also worth a mention (but not to my mom!): I AM SO EXCITED THAT MR.BEN APPS WILL BE ARRIVING IN LOS ANGELES IN LESS THAN 31 DAYS!!! I don't care that you list crush naysayers say nay, I say YAY! Ben is the bee's knees!! He has a lovely singing voice, you know! *swoon* I am PAST 25 years of age, and you know what? You kitties having birthdays and getting up into your 20's should really think about how cool it is to be YOU, with your good taste in music and your independence. I would not want to be a teenager again for all the money in the world. I think early 30's are going to be my prime years and I am looking forward to them. Besides, nobody ever knows how old I am anyway. Most of you probably look younger than you are, too! If all else fails, LIE ABOUT YOUR AGE! :) Now I'm going to have to use the Jedi mind trick to make you forget how old I am. Damn! That's hard to do the gesture through e-mail! There's no emoticon for Jedi mind trick, is there? It's ok to not be happy, though. I find that this season is the most tumultuous because it's cold and dark (for most of us, in this hemisphere) some of us are lonely, and a lot of extra time, money and effort must be spent in "celebration". I like to think of it as a transformation. This is the season of the dead. Out with the old, in with the new. When you're feeling down, try to think of all of the grate things that could happen to us this next year! Try to think of how pretty the lights are. Or just get drunk. That's what I do. I don't really have a fantasy. I think I need to work on that. I tend to get lost in the flip-flop between fantasy and reality. So many of you write dreamy things... most everything I have to say in this post is smutty or ridiculous. I am starting to feel like maybe I don't have anything worth saying to you. But that's just going to make me stop posting, and I don't want to stop, so I think I should just stop thinking. Yeah. No more thinking. For now... See what happens when it rains in southern California? It makes us crazy(ier)! ***WELCOME*** Carolyn Jacobson wrote some poems that were very pretty! Welcome Carolyn! Welcome to Mark Sweeney! A big HELLO to Elsa Chiao, the lurking lurker! Welcome to PATRICK DOYLE!!! Nice first post!! Welcome to Melmoz Melissa!!! When I see your name "Melmoz" I think of Melmac, the planet that ALF is from! Liz Daplyn, welcome back! ***KIRSTEN KENYON KORNER*** She's so awesome, I had to give her a separate section to herself!! Kirsten Kenyon wrote: "a masterpiece was created in blue ink..."bambi" meets "i love you, alice b. toklas."" I find this description to be utterly hilarious! Bambi is a movie that I can never ever again watch in my life, it breaks my heart... Especially since I'm a Disney fanatic. But, if Peter Sellars was in it feeding his parents pot brownies then I might give it another chance! irsten enyon wrote: "so we toyed with the notion that we might be 'too ool for onsonants,' and for several minutes we only used them selectively. but none of us could talk that way with a straight face for long. so i guess we weren't ool enough." When I read this, it really just struck me as being one of the funniest things I've ever read! It reminded me of a sign that my friend Vicky and I had on the front bathroom door at our old apartment in Studio City, which read "This is my ool. notice there's no p in it. I don't swim in your pool so don't piss in my toilet. Signed, the management." and it would confuse the guests so much that they would go use the other bathroom! I think that me and my roommate were the only ones who thought it was funny. yep... Kirsten Kenyon wrote of the Reverend: "he half-sang, half-shouted "wooeee an' we gotta baby girl inna plaid jacket, boys, you know what they say bout them girls in plaid jackets" and a few people yelled "WHAT?" and he just laughed a smokey sort of laugh and shook his head." I know what they say about girls in plaid jackets... They say they are dead clever and too adorable and smart to be stuck away at church! They say that, and I would have to agree. They would not be reverends, however, and that's probably why he didn't finish the statememnt. Ken Chu wrote: "Will Kirsten Kenyon ever write a bad post so mine can look good in comparison for once?" The answer is no, and shut up. Your posts are grate and don't you forget it!! I glow in anticipation when I see a post from "Kenneth PY Chu" in my inbox, I really do! My sister Amber and friend Vicky are now big fans of Kenny Chuey and they aren't even sinister. They just like slim Asian boys with potty mouths! ;) ***MUSIC*** Fabio Snoozer wrote: "the only cover-project we could stand playing would be a Beatles Cover Band. So here we are, the name of this band is Revolution #9 and we were hired to play in a big public event" Yay! This seems so cool! I am so curious to know what your band sounds like, especially doing Beatles covers! And that was A LOT of songs on your set list! Impressive! Astrid wrote: "we�re recording a cd for our own money this winter, it�ll probably be in 2002, and it will be fantastic. there are some talking about who�s going to sing. it might be me. eeeek! *excited-but-very-nervous-scream*" Your band seems really adorable and cool!! I hope that you DO sing, and that you get enough money together to record next year, and that you will make your cd available to all of us! Brighten will rock the world, YEAH!? Peter Carter wrote: "I'd like to announce the brainchild of Kara Jean* Daria Brielmann and myself, Fast Cow. It's a music webzine" www.ciahq.fsnet.co.uk/fastcow. I recommend that you go there now and beware the electric donut! ***BELLE & SEBASTIAN EP*** Trish Delish wrote of "I love my car": "it's just this great big boozy trumpet warbling away, kinda reminds me of miss hannigan and her crew in annie...ok. i am totally the only person to hear that, and now you all think i'm a freak." I *still* haven't heard it, but I'm getting absolutely giddy at the thought that the song could be anything like a song from "Annie", and I most likely will agree with you Trish, cos I'm a freak like dat! It's fun to assimilate things with other random things! Like the '80's sitcom ALF, for instance! Or Annie! Or Knight Rider! (eh, Robyn!?) Mike from Brazil wrote: "Last thing: if any of you are dying to hear the new single, Belle & Sebastian's record label here in Brazil, Trama, has full streams of all three songs (in Real Audio, Windows Media, and Quicktime formats, no less...) so check out http://moe.trama.com.br/trama/rock_js/rock_not.html and click on "Belle & Sebastian" at the top, and then choose your song and format, and wonderful music shall ooze from your speakers." OK, I'm a dork and I went to the site. And proceeded to not read Portugese, like I tend to do, and then I inadvertantly pressed a button that downloaded quicktime onto my pc and damaged 3 of my Windows system files... so, now my computer at home is down for the count! I will be reloading windows tonight! *rachie's a lame ass* David Moore wrote: "I'm Waking Up To Us must have a doggy style theme, as there was an advert in the nme the other day featuring Stevie also with man's best friend." Yep. And I don't need to remind you, nothing says "I love bestiality" more than Belle & Sebastian. I could go on more about this in a very crude and obscene manner, naming other positions the photos for the ep should have been taken in, but I think that would ruin the wholesome breakfast image that y'all have of me! Will Spike wrote: "And as I leave the shop, i notice a poster advertising IWUTU. Now all I have to do is find out who I have to speak to/beg/bribe/offer sexual favours to in order to get my hands on the lovely item once the Union is finished with it." What if I draw you one, would you offer ME sexual favours?! I'll consider it "working on commission" ***BELLE & SEBASTIAN LIVE*** This Graham/Tobi character wrote a GRATE post reviewing B&S in Japan which included points like: "1) Fred Savage, dimpled star of hit TV schmalz 'The wonder Years' did not simply just fade from the public eye as he grew older. Instead changed his name to Stevie Jackson and moved to Scotland, where he learned to blow a truly mean harp. Kawaii, ne?" OH MAN, I thought Fred Savage was looking pretty toadie (no offense, Stine!) by the last season and I figured that's probably why the show was ultimately ended... Stevie's a dreamboat, though! Talking about Fred Savage also makes me miss Katie Cheeriodle, I know that Katie enjoyed The Wonder Years reference, too, didn't you Katie!? and Tobi also said: "3) A carefully planned mullet can actually be very, very cool indeed- nice one Bob." Yeah, I think that old Belfast Bob could probably have any hairstyle and still look ravishing! The mullet is proof of that. Wasn't it Wesley Willis who sang in the song "Cut The Mullet" "Tell your barber that you are tired of looking like an asshole"? I believe it was him, or maybe it was Neil Diamond. That line of separation is fairly blurry these days! Claudia wrote of seeing B&S as if it were a dream and it was so sweet. She said: "We had stars all around us, and they were shining in the most beautiful way... everything was perfect...After some time one of the angels reached out his hand and pointed at me.. he said ' this one', he also reached his hand to a couple of other girls, one of them was my best friend... and we all flew to the clouds..." Awww, angels and clouds and friends and... awwww! That's too cute! I can't stand it! Robyn Fadden wrote: "so, i hear belle and sebastian did an encore in tokyo. an *encore*! i thought they were against them (well, they don't seem to do them anyway). but i hear they really liked japan and that was their last stop on tour, so... hm. but i can't help feeling that i could have done *something* to provoke an encore at their vancouver show. i think that maybe all the advances in robotics in japan created 'encore' mind-control waves. canada is just not doing enough in this important area of research. (cue ominous music and shot from robot's point of view.)" I think you could be right on this one. It seems like Japan always gets the rare songs and the encores and the better shirts and posters...waaahhhh! Robyn also said "never put salt in your eye" and I think you need to pin this note to your shirt, too: "mental note: get coffee-coloured shirts" ***BRAZIL*** Roberto from Brazil wrote: "When the show started, a guy on the left start yellin' the lyrics in Sepultura style, guturally. He didn't care about the melody at all, and cared a few about metrics: he just wanted to prove to everyone around that,although he had a terrible lack of musical talent, had spent about 20 hours a day in front of the stereo, so he could memorize every single line of every single song." Ohhhhh, that's so annoying, it really is! I am all for people getting into it and having a good time, but when it is so obnoxious that it hurts your ears then it is taking it too far!! And then Jeff wrote: "sorry about ruining your experience - i was just elated to be there, and singing and jumping is the way i reacted to b&s live." Which is understandable, too! The flipside is that maybe when someone around us is getting so excited about the show, we should just join them and act like loons, too! That's SO MUCH fun! Especially when you're excited and then the people around you are, it makes the whole experience take on a new life! And the JenOwl wrote: "I hate it when people have fun too. We should all sit about drinking cappuccinos writing bad poetry and savouring the philosophical message of the lyrics and pretending to be shy." Sarcasm is funny and all, and I think you definitely have a point Jen, but I also feel like if I was Roberto I'd be a little miffed by the indirect comment to him, unless I'm just imagining things and trying to start trouble! If that's the case, I'm sorry. Some people experience things to their fullest potential in different ways, and the solution to the conflict is obviously to move to a spot where you won't be so distracted. And that's just what Roberto did. One only needs to get an elbow in the neck a sweaty armpit pressed onto their shoulder while some madman wails in their ear once before they realize that the extreme opposite isn't the only type of listener that would be annoyed by this neighbor. But everyone has a right to enjoy the show in their own way, don't they? So everybody is right! Do what you gotta do! Ana from Brazil wrote: "Stevie's portuguese isn't only funny... rather cute, he really tried to do something pretty good, that was sweet." I can't imagine how adorable that must have sounded!!! It seems to me like B&S in Brazil was a pretty special event all around and I am so happy that they went there, and that so many of you posted about seeing them! ***BELLE & SEBASTIAN & STORYTELLING*** Mouche wrote of the 'Storytelling' soundtrack: "the storytelling credits list four belle and sebastian songs, three of which i've never heard of: the state i am in i don't want to play football scooby driver storytelling they're also credited with "music" so i guess there will be instrumental pieces too." I am so annoyed at the prospect that this movie isn't coming out in the U.S. until January 25th! Grrrrr! But at least it will be just in time for Ryan's birthday. Ryan is a grate movie date. I've heard a rumor that he has FINALLY escaped the nursery!!! shhhh! Don't tell him I told! He's probably planning on ambushing us all when we least expect it! Alexander Bartilson of the Swedish Siniser massive wrote: "Today I saw Storytelling on the Stockholm film festival. It was really good even though I think I have to see it a few more times to get some question marks that are currently circling around in my head straighened out." I hope that the movie is good, I really do. But from the sound of it, the soundtrack will be the best part of it and that's ok in my book! (ha, get it, storrytelling, book, erm...) I am one of those people who is easily pleased, though. I am not a good movie critic. If one element is good, then I'm happy. Helen wrote about Storytelling: "Anyway, what I really wanted to say is that Todd Solondz invited b&s (he seems to be quite close to Stuart M.) to create this songs specially for the movie which they gladly did (thanks there Todd!)." That's a very interesting concept...Stuart M has FRIENDS! Friends who make movies. Friends who aren't dogs or in the band with him! :) ***BELLE & SEBASTIAN MUSINGS*** Nafees wrote: "much to my surprise the person who played aerial looked almost identical to stuart. if you can imagine stuart wearing nothing but a loin cloth (which i'm sure some of you already do) and being covered in gold body paint then that was aerial. he even danced like stuart too." Oh, sure! I often think of Stuart in gold body paint and a loincloth... or sometimes it's him dipped in chocolate wearing a fig leaf... mmmmmm, forbidden murdoch! Oh, and I hope your mum is ok Nafees. There were some posts about B&S apperance on Later With Jools Holland. Every time I see the name Brandt Fundak in my inbox (Brandt wanted to know what # series this episode will be in, Neil said #17), I think I'm reading the name "Grand Funk Railroad" Can I call you Brandt Fundak Railroad? HA! I'm making myself laugh again, sorry! Anyway, can you believe it!? They're going to perform 3 SONGS on Later!!!! B&S I mean, not Grand Funk, or Brandt Fundak for that matter. David Moore wrote: "The first entry is a piece by one Stuart Murdoch, about fear of flying, safe little caf� booths, dear non-catastrpohic waitresses, well, why don't you go & read it yourself? http://www.myspace.co.uk/belleandsebastian/writing.html" yes, if you haven't read this, I think you should go read it right now, it will make you feel all smiley and content for the afternoon. At least, that's what it did for me! Tim Banning wrote: "the line "nobody writes them like they used to so it may as well be me" caught my attention, as it usually does. Then I was thinking about how some people have expressed that some of the songs on the new Belle and Sebastian single sound like their from the 60's. Well...maybe it's been Stuarts intention to write songs like that for a long time." This is a delightful concept to me. I never thought about the correlation between the line in "Get me away from here..." and the '60 's sound of B&S. I like that idea! Thanks for bringing that up, Tim! Idleberry wrote: "If you could ask a member of Belle and Sebastian any one question, what would it be?" I would ask Stuart if he noticed me and Dustin in the crowd at the 2nd Los Angeles show and asked us to dance onstage because we were "Smartly Dressed" or because Stuart just wanted to get down Dustin's pants? (and who doesn't? Dustin is H-O-T! Lemme tell ya!) If I could ask him TWO questions, the second would be "if I could arrange this for ya with Dustin, can I watch?" Ohhh, I'm a dirty ol'ladee! ***PRESSIE EXCHANGE*** Joan of Dark wrote about the Christmas Present Exchange: "So PLEASE be sure that you want to do this, its not something that costy or tiring, it requires just the minimum consideration on the matter�.Don�t just apply in the spur of the moment�.But it�s vital you really want to do this" After reading this, I have been debating over whether or not I should play. Now I'm scared! But I guess I had better make up my mind soon! Do we have a deadline for entry into the exchange, Laura, did I miss it? The Dairy Fairy wrote: "It's nice as well because you get to imagine who sent it. So that's an extra present of intrigue in itself." This is true also, I think it could be tons of fun to send people cool stuff!! Johan wrote: "can't wait for Xmas thingy to get underway, my pillowcase is washed and waiting... and my little mind a-thinking of nice things to send, so ask yourself: are you feeling lucky, punk (rock!)" I guess I'm feeling pretty lucky and pretty punk raque! So I guess I should play and you should, too! Ruvi wrote: "wouldn't it be far more miraculous to extend those feelings across every day and every hour, spreading a little light into all the Januaries, Mondays and hours when no celebration has been prescribed?" yes, I think that is delightful!! I think it would be fun to do a Valentine's Day gift exchange, too. I really *do* loathe that holiday because I'm always alone, but maybe it would be better if we all felt sinister together! Happy Belated Birthday to Histrianic!! And to Tim Banning! ***!VIVA RACHELS!*** Well, I know for a fact that the Rachels mixtape is making it's way across America and across the world! Lookout Chu, you will be the judge, yet! Rachel O.J. wrote: "rachels are probably the best in the world when it comes to mixed-tapes." I would have to whole-heartedly agree. Not to toot my own trumpet (well, yes, *toot-toot*!) I just made a super grate mix for my list crush, the sugar-sweet Mr.B Apps, so I think all of you Wills and Chris' and Rob/i/yns and Stuarts and Gertrudes are in for it! ;) Archel Toast wrote:"i hope my contribution to the mighty rachels effort will be as successful :)" And of course it will, my dear because the Raquels Raque! Rachel O.J. wrote: "i got so jelaous when i red about the two lovely rachels day togehter. it were miss fruitloop and miss cornflake, right? maybe there was someone else, but in that way, i've forgotten it." Yes, twas myself and Cornyflake and also the honorary Rachel, miss Katie Cheeriodle! It was so much fun! I am telling you lot, if you can manage to meet up with a fellow Sinisterine, I would do it asap! I just had dinner with a lovely listee who actually lurks the archives these days named wee Andreea and she is so terrific! She spoke fondly of KEN CHU and STRAWBERRY BOY and JEREMY BREAMS, and RachOLA CINNAMON, and many others! It felt like we belong to one big happy family! Kara Jean wrote: "I sit down and produce the cookie crisp from my backpack. Eating them is a delight. Cookies for breakfast. I can't help grinning." MAN, Kara, you should have jumped on The Rachels team for the MIXTAPE BATTLE!! You could have been Rachel Cookie Crisp, but instead I'll just think of you as Kara Kookie Krook! ;) ***Favorite Quotes*** "If it's any consolation, I'm much prettier than I was a few days ago."--Gordon "Conclusion: catillions are garbage. I am not high class"--Kate cut-up "This job sucks. I'd rather read my e mails. Go away."--Idleberry "Oh, don�t look at me like that, even the punky boy gives in to romanticism sometimes."--Jim Gilmer "it is when you connect that you're feeling life, rather than just living it."--Ian ***SHOUT OUTS*** YO to the Chicago Sinister Picnic folks this weekend, yo! Elise and Sean, Jimmy G., Ryan, THE RACHELS, and THE WILLS and THE CHRIS TEAMS! Also to C�dric Schott, Jim Taylor, Juju, Andreea, Toadie Stine, Mandee May, Danny Farrell, Caleb Ben, Ken Chu and my darling bunny Benny Apps! Alright kitties! This is all I have to post for now! Look out for installment Part Two, coming soon to a Sinister list near you! love, Rachel fruitloop P.S. RICHARD JOHN GILLANDERS. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. 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Sinister: Is liking Dave Matthews a conflict of interest?
by Bdh52983＠cs.com 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

Good evening Sinister. I'm sitting here listening to Dave and wondering what Stuart would think of these cats in this band. I reckon he'd like "Space Between" but then again who doesn't? According to ever-reliable MTV, no-one. But then again acording to MTV the Bells are just a figment of our collective imagination. Does that make sense? Crikey it's 9 pm and I'm already talking crap... How exactly does one recognize if someone has a "crush" on them? Cos Vicky said that Freshman girl does but I dunno and anyway I'm not sure I'd be down with that. As much as I want to be with someone, I feel like the glory of sitting alone at the edge of the crowd is almost more desirable sometimes. I can always get my emotional support from my cd collection (ha if THAT doesn't make me a sad bastard) bri +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Holden Caulfield's syndrome (connected to Joe Vester's crush on Thora Birch)
by arlequim＠osite.com.br 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

I was reading again "The Catcher in the Rye" a few days ago. This book is one of those I take everywhere I go, so that I can take a look at it once in a while. There are others in the same situation, like Joyce's "Dubliners" and Anatole France's "The Island of the Penguins". I'd love to do the same thing with "The Magic Mountain", by Thomas Mann, but I have to be criterious - it's hard to carry an eight-hundred paged edition in the bag. Reading "The Catcher..." , I reached that part in which Holden Caulfield, Salinger's alter ego, says there are books that make him want to know the author personally - kind of making friends with the author, talking to him, asking about his fears, his assurances, drink a beer... And it happens to me frequently, at different degrees. And that's what I call "holden caulfield's syndrome". I must admit there are lot of possible H.C.S.'s, because the character is so incredibly "overloaded" you can see yourself in many of his manners. There are probably another technical name for this will to know people who talks to you by movies, books and TV shows, but I don't know for sure. As I read Joe Vester's message, I must say: I have an incredible celebrity crush on Thora Birch too. Just like that: the will to, at least, talk to her and discover if she had something to do with the nice roles she played in "American Beauty" and "Ghost World". I left the projection room after "Ghost World" just wanting to meet her outside, or anyone like she was onscreen. Someone that confused, that beautiful, that lonely... Probably I'd have nothing deep to tell her (my english is far too poor), but at least I could recite a poem or something... don't know... My "crush on" Thora Birch, I guess, is more like a syptom of Holden Caulfield's syndrome in the movie style. I felt totally identified... P.S. There are not many goths in Brazil nowadays, but I have to agree that they are a little too pretentious, almost funny. Being goth in Brazil is a risk, because the make up melts quickly with the warm weather. Ana, from Brasilia, is not a pretentious goth. She seems pretty nice. She's more like... authentic. P.S.2 I have a crush on Shirley Manson.... oh-oh, that girl singing "send me an angel to love..."!... +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Judy And Her Horses
by Daniel Cederberg 30 Nov '01

30 Nov '01

Hello everyone. This day has seen a hangover of immense proportions. Last night i was a DJ at the uni here in Stockholm, and the free beer and free food and the free taxi ride home sure makes a poor student drink. Anyways, it was fun, and my indie-icon status just seems to be rising. I´m now know as Daniel from Sundsvall (a northern Swedish town) in some circles. (The indie-cool circles i might add). I played a song from the magnificent swedish band Penti and as it happened a bandmember was there and liked it. (They played the same song specielly for me at a concert of theirs a couple of weeks ago. Why you may ask? I wrote in their guestbook and told them a liked that song, and that I would attend their concert. Nice guys them are.) But I must tell you, before I started DJ-ing I thought that my lovelife would start to pick up it´s pace as a DJ, but nothing has happened yet. Are there any DJ´s out there with similiar experiences? Or there are perhaps other reasons for my unluck with the ladies. Must be my ultra-coolness i suppose. Well, I have to read some more Marx & Engels, there´s a test to be beaten tomorrow... Stay cool, and don´t forget to listen to Judy And The Dream Of Horses atleast once a day. Daniel +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: i made her mother smile.
by nafees saeed 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

last night i was looking for a book to do some research from and i couldn't find it. i looked everywhere in my room and eventually i tried under the bed. it wasn't there but i found something better. it was a shoebox full of mini discs with no labels on, i put it to one side and forgot about it. when i got back from college today, i lay on my bed and decided to put one of them on. it was just the most beautiful music ever. i don't know what it is but it's just so lush, all these guitars, cellos, violins, trumpets etc... doing all these really amazing songs. i don't ever remember listening to this before so i have no idea what it is. i don't even think i want to. you know when you hear music and see you see all these images in your head? it was like that, just great. even though i hate busses they are eventful. i was on the bus home from manchester the other day and i saw the oddest thing ever. there was this guy who was standing up and this girl sitting down. the guy was standing next to the girl and you could hear them talking, you couldn't make out what they were saying but you could hear them. after a few stops and more people got off it got quieter, you could hear them then. the guy had managed to tell the girl his entire life story and even managed to let her let him hold her hand. she reluctantly gave him his phone number and in return he gave her his tooth which he said "was falling out anyway". how lovely. it'd be ace to have that confidence, just manage to do that with someone. i wish i could. i've spent the last twelve weeks trying to make a girl notice me, which sometimes she does. sometimes she doesn't. sometimes our conversations rarely go past the weather or work we haven't done. once i spent an afternoon with her, just talking to her and it was great. ever since that she hasn't talked to me much and she's never around. you know when you know you would be good with someone but there's like a really big barrier in the way? it's like that. oh yeah, she's got a boyfriend too. whenever i look at the monitor it shakes. --- crying girl came round the other night. me and crying girl used to be really good friends but for some reason we're not anymore. for a while now she's made me feel different, although we're the same age she makes me feel like a twelve year old, she always seems to be doing so much more than i am. i know she only came round because her house is near mine and because of the convenience of it all, but i couldn't exactly tell her to go home. she came in and i sat her down and she told me about all her grown up problems that i have no idea about. and she kept on crying. i didn't really know what to do, but somebody told me that honey on toast makes people feel better. we didn't have any honey so i used nutella. i took it to her but she didn't want it, so i sat there eating it whilst she continued to cry and talk about stuff. i don't even think i was listening properly but after a while she stopped crying, got up, hugged me then went home. she felt better, and i felt kinda good too, and all i did was eat toast and daydream. the new single is great. kinda funky too, i like the new 60s thing they're doing. i think i like "marx and engels" the best, i get the image of stuart and some girl inside some launderette in winter whilst in rains outside. i don't know why, but i walk funny whenever i hear "i love my car"...i need to sort that out. i used to think george bush looked like a monkey, now around christmas his ears have changed and he looks like an elf. tony blair still looks like a goblin though. take care, nafees. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: think of a witty one liner, place it in the subject line
by chris perriman 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

you know its been a good party when people tell you what you were doing the next day and you can't remember a bit of it... ...and when the hangover lasts 'til 9pm the next day and where the huge bruise on my side came from, god only knows. although i can remember (and i'm not proud of this) puking from a window right down the sloping roof. i've really got nothing to say, i just thought i'd embarrass myself infront of 1500 people. hmm ever heard of a band called Aspects? young bristolian hip-hop group. doesn't sound too appealing? well they're on the radio now and the song just mentioned '16 candles', quite good actually. woo hoo! IWUTU is coming in the post tomorrow (12" no less) 7"s are so much more sexy than 12"s but you only get 2 songs on the 7" version. 12"s are infinately more sexy than CDs though so thats ok. did anybody catch that documentary on ch4 about the pixies last night? it was really good. apparently in the audience of their first uk gig were thom and jonny from radiohead and alex and graham from blur. actually johnny greenwood said that the reason radiohead are using less guitars these days is that there's only so much you can steal from joey santiago! i had a dream about the whole sinister gift x-change thing, a huge list of who was sending prezzies to who was posted, i think it was my first sinister dream. speaking of the whole sinister fantastic prezzie exchange style thing; when are we going to know whom we are sending to, llaura?, not that i'm impatient or anything but... well... yes i am, i'm getting all excited about chrimbo and its not even december yet, gah! the band known as 'the rock of travolta' are really quite good. they all have the surname Travolta, ramones style. the film '2001: a space odyssey' is on telly this christmas this is a rather good film, if a little strange. the last dialogue is 23 minutes before the end of the film so you kinda have to interpret the ending for yourself. and belle & seb are on 'later...' tomorrow! later is getting better i feel, it started off good but a few years ago all jools got on were crap old bands and african tribesmen banging turtle shells, but now he's at least having some new and good bands on: white stripes, the hives, belle & seb, charlatans, ash, etc. along with the crap (stereobollox, shitsailor, anastacia) i was right when i said i had nothing to say so i'll go and let you read someone else apologizing for having nothing to say bye then love Pez* PS. lindsey baker, i think i owe you an e-mail, sorry i've been so long, i'll do it soon i promise :) darth vader: i know what you're getting for christmas, luke luke skywalker: how? darth vader: i have felt your presents www.pez.com - the wonderful world of pez ;) ivorytowers.8m.com - ivory towers records www.drpez.com - Dr Pez, Spain's premier fish doctor (i think) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: ...and you dare call this a college town?
by The Cat's Pajamas 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

Grrr... I live in a relatively small town with a relatively large university in it. 30,000+ students with a correspondingly healthy indie/punk/emo scene. We have a couple independent "High Fidelity"-esque music stores in addition to the usual music uber-stores. Yet, despite this I can't find a copy of IWUTU anywhere is this bloody little pissant town. What's the use of having an independent music store if you're just going to carry 87 different versions of Dave Matthews' latest fraternity mating calls? I'm hoping not to upset anyone since I'm new around here, but living on this campus for 4 years has made me extremely critical of the greek system. Watching hordes of Abercrombie Zombies storming the bars and emerging piss-drunk EVERY weekend is wearing on me. For the most part, their priorities seem to be, not in this order, booze, sorority girls, and acting superior to those not in on their scene. Fuck them...fuck them with knives. {Sorry to steal that quote from whoever thought it up...I read it in my first couple days on the list and nearly fell out of my chair laughing. It's become a common element in my vernacular since then :)} To add to my anger, I was looking at buying copies "The Perks of Being a Wallflower" for all of my friends who haven't read it yet for X-mas. I'm looking over the details of the book and find that it was published by MTV...It's still a great book and all, it's just that the MTV thing kind of leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Promoting bad music is enough of a reason to dislike MTV. All of the crappy new series/game shows and the cancellation of 120 minutes pushed me over the edge. I think it would be great to meet all of the Chicago area sinister-folk on the first...sadly I'm at school without a way to get back to the city. Perhaps we can play on the ferris wheel on Navy Pier or something once we thaw out from the impending winter. Laura Llew, I'm sorry for not mentioning this earlier, but my love for you is undiminished and my devotion everlasting. Please forgive me :) Jason (Who's researching a term paper and not usually this bitter) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: In other news...
by Kieran Devaney 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

The phrase "In other news..." has been unfairly compartmentalised i think. What usually follows it is generally a weak attempt at lightening the tone, probably cobbled together by the work experience boy, to make up for the tales of drug addiction and woe that constitute the main news. Rarely are the tales of 'a local man who has found a new and profitable use for the old lawnmowers he keeps in his shed...' much consolation; and so the phrase has become associated with naff, non threatening token local news stories, too bland to be amusing or interesting. How unfortunate. Theres a strange psychology attatched to these stories isn't there? Possibly syptomatic of the the kind of malaise that affects a semi literate culture: the need to trivialise everything, so however bad things are, it's really ok, because they've still found time for the comedy story. Everyone goes away happy enough, or at least no more sad than when they started watching. The point of this whole paragraph was to now give you a link to a(n) hillarious website which visciously mocks the very foundations of local news reporting, especially the type of stories i've mentioned above. But i can't find the link. I'm sure i saved it to the favourites folder, so you can imagine my surprise at not being able to find it. I realise this isn't much use to you as things stand. Sorry. If i find the link i'll let you know. "I belong to the race of the disinherited, and I shall die without ever knowing whether the treasure within me is diamond or paste!" Gustave Flaubert wrote that, in his book 'Sentimental Education', and that particular phrase struck a chord within me, and it sums the book up quite nicely too; pivotally located between pages 28 and 29 in my edition. I'll digress for a bit now because i feel like it, there will be a point to it at the end though, honest. In assemblies at school, the deputy head (Mr Vince Darby in case you're interested), used to do one particular speech at least four times a year, and it basically revolved around a quote from the 8th century (i think ) in China, which went on about the youth of the day not having as much respect for the older generations as was had in times of yore. Mr Darby tried to construe this as meaning that the 'youth' had been steadily losing respect for their elders for centuries; a vast downward spiral if you like, he would continue by pointing out then, that loss of respect was no new thing as regards society. He would finish by telling the school in general that we should buck up our ideas. Of course any vaguely savvy person would have interpreted said assembly as proof that the elderly (for the quote was from 'a wise elder') have always bemoaned their lost youth by blaming the young for being young, and have been doing so for centuries. On a wider level, proof that in terms of our behaviour at least, we haven't changed that much as a species. And thats where Flaubert and his book come back in, because the sentence i quoted at the top of the paragraph (it'll still be there if you missed it) was written sometime between 1895 and 1869, and it still has resonance today. Because 'Sentimental Education' is, at least in part, about dreams going awry, never quite achieving what you believe to be your destiny and unrequited love. This does make it a tough book to deal with if you still have your whole life ahead of you, and the last 50 pages or so are, frankly, quite shocking. So, perhaps we haven't changed so much as a species, as humans, as we'd like to think; 'Sentimental Education' is depressing because it almost says that your destiny is essentially out of your hands, theres a little bit you can do, but you are more or less confined to one path dictated by society and its strictures. Something lots of us worry about today. Not sure how seriously i take all this to be, and most likely i'll just push the ideas to the periphery and stick with my youthful idealism. For now anyway. But i'd recommend the book anyway, well worth reading. So the point is, don't listen to Mr Darby's assemblies, especially the repeats. The real reason i decided to email was because of some things i saw in town today, town being Birmingham city centre; for those of you who don't live here. I saw two surprising things there today, one more so than the other, and i'll tell you about the less surprising one first i think, to maintain the classic elements of suspense, and because it fits chronologically. The first bit mainly revolves around this particular bloke who may or may not be homeless, it doesn't really matter, though he looks, at least in my opinion, too healthy to be homeless, this is just conjecture however. Anyway he is always in town (that makes him sound a bit like a circus, but he's not), and he has the habit of accosting random people, usually people, on their own, who look a bit scruffy (i.e. me) and asking them for fags or money. He always does this with the same story, that he has lost his train fare and just needs a couple of quid so he can get back home "oh, and have you got any spare fags too mate?". Always the same story. Theres a certain nobility to this approach, and a disarming honesty about his lack of honesty. He doesn't ever even recognise my face, even though he must have asked me hundreds of times. I sometimes give him some change, but most of the time i save it for people i know are really homeless. The fags i can't help him with at all because i don't smoke. A month or so ago i suggested that, rather than approaching scruffy kids such as myself, he should go for the armani suited business types who inevitably will be carrying more money. He didn't seem to hear and just went away, i had nothing for him and so wasn't of interest. Today i saw him in town again, i was with my friend ian, who recognised him as i pointed him out. He was in the process of talking to a timid looking asian youth. Ian was telling me of the various times he has been accosted by the man, when two blokes who must have been in their mid-twenties came up rather aggressively behind this man, jostling him and shouting "fuck off" and other obscenities at him. I was worried that they were going to start hitting him, but fortunately they just walked off, occasionally looking back and shouting. Rarely have i felt more sorry for another person, i was shocked, but he glanced at me briefly as if this had not been the first time, and that he was resigned to the fact that it wouldn't be the last. Admittedly, this guy has pissed me off in the past, but i've never really been angry at him; it's the berghaus wearing fuckwits who genuinely get me down. I think the next time he asks me though, i'll give him something; it's odd how our opinions on people can change isn't it? The other thing i saw in town today which is worthy of note is a lot less depressing. I'd just parted from ian and i was on my way to get the bus, still a bit surprised at what had just happened, when almost directly in front of me was a girl, who was about the same age as myself i'd say, bedecked in full goth regalia (i have a feeling 'goth' isn't very politically correct term, but i know of no other which would convey the meaning i want), with multiple facial piercings, knee length black boots etc... i noticed also that she had a slipknot badge on her bag (their slogan 'people = shit' is quite important to the story... and i noticed it especially because slipknot aren't normally associated with goth types). The interesting thing is that the girl was pushing her mother in a wheelchair (this is slight conjecture on my part, but the resemblance was close enough for it to have been her mother, and it gives the anecdote more potency i think). This single image of the teenage goth, with all it's connotations of rejecting authority and especially ones parents pushing the wheelchair is one that will stay with me as long as i'm alive i think, a photograph would of course have been rude, and i didn't have my camera anyway, but hopefully you'll be able to picture it for yourselves. It seemed to be the perfect type of half-ironic paradox that a clever clever author like joseph heller would have pissed himself just thinking about, but i found it quite a moving thing; two disparate worlds coming together. I wondered what the girl was thinking, and what her mother (again, still conjecture), was thinking, whether this was a regular occurence etc etc. I thought about talking to them, but my natural shyness, and the feeling that i wouldn't be able to avoid the inevitable clichés made me think again. I'm glad i didn't actually, explanations would have ruined the moment. I admired the girls guts more than anything, and puzzled over her slipknot badge; she obviously didn't hold with the idea that 'people = shit' (not that many slipknot fans do though i suppose), her whole dress was at odds with her actions. I suppose what i'm getting at is the slightly tired sententious clichés that bemoan how much we judge people on how they look. But what a i saw in town today certainly gives them a new perspective; if the girl would have been on her own i would have certainly dismissed her as another middle class rich white spoiled girly, not intellegent enough to find an original form of rebellion, and has thus rebelled with what she wears. The act of care and attention i saw from her today completely recontextualised that image. At least in her case. Admittedly, i'm still baffled by it, and any possible clarification of why these two conflicting ideologies, of teenage rebellion and familial care, should have cause to come together, it would be much appreciated. Having just read this whole post back to myself, it strikes me as somewhat academic in style, probably because i'm interspersing it with writing an actual essay about Wilfred Owen. I can only apologise and promise to be more bouncy next time. peace and love -kieran _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: I'm baking buns for us - they're a disaster...
by Robert Brennan 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

...all burned and everything. Yoyoyo! Lots of you (though not all of you) have been saying how the new ep rocks a phat one. I have to agree - EYEWOOTY is ace and a huge improvement on the OK-until-I-saw-it-live-then-it-was-fantastic JD. ILMC makes me grin like an idiot and Marx & Spencers is just lovely. Mmmm. Liz D. said: "Do nu-rockers buy their skinny black jeans from the same shops nu-metallers get their unfeasibly wide blue ones from...?" My nearest recorded music emporium (Reflex Records, Albert Road, Southsea) caters to this city's only subculture by doing a sideline in said overly-capacious jeans and hoodies that say things like 'slipknot' and 'korn' on them. They're displayed in the window in the approximate shape they would be if worn by a sullen teenager but with a cut-out of Jeremy Beadle's head at the top. That made me laugh. Once. Stacey D. said: "I?ve started reading ?A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius? by Dave Eggers and it is SO fantastic!" It is isn't it! Made me laugh forever. And Dave Eggers' writing style is very easy to parody: http://www.modernhumorist.com/mh/0005/harry/ Miss Hodottir said: "Au revoir" Which made me a wee bit sad. Hope you find a new brilliant career soon. My flatmate bought a spanking new amp and its just occurred to me that I've never listed to the stereo version of Pet Sounds on it. Later people... Robster __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: I'd love my car-if I had a license!
by Keith Davis 29 Nov '01

29 Nov '01

Went to the department of motor vehicles today and had my behind the wheel test for a second time, flunking again! At 25, is it wierd that just now I am getting my license? Listening to the new single was a great pick me up. Here in the San Francisco east bay area it was very hard to track down a copy of it. I eventually found one thank god! Gloomy day, wonderous for listening to B&S. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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