June 2001 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: Why oh why?
by Histrianic＠aol.com 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Hmm. I have a humble little mailing list, called Random, of maybe about a dozen people. It's less of a mailing list than it is more a close group of friends talking to each other through the nifty little device dubbed e-mail. I sent out an email warning everyone to go pick up a copy of Jonathan David on June 18, because that's when I thought it came out. But thanks to someone (I forget her name, I'm terribly sorry) on the list who was boasting of the fact that she lived "across the pond" (the expression she used), she was able to get her hands on the single a week early. Of course, as soon as I realized my horrible mistake, I went and sent out another email, thus making me sound like a dunce. None of this would be relevant, except my favorite person was on that list (not that he's a close friend of mine, I just thought he'd be interested to know about the new Belle and Sebastian single. He's not a very devout follower), and he probably thinks I'm... really quite scatter! ! brained. Which wasn't the impre ssion I was hoping to make. Hmm. Someone apparently has a (list) crush on me. I received the email today, it made me feel all glowy and happy inside. "warm fuzzies", I think they're called... And for those of us who resort to mp3 formats of songs (due to lack of money/inaccessibility to good music caused by location of residence, et all), hurray, winmx is almost as good as, if not better than, napster. (thank you, john hunt!) I want some Belle and Sebastian-y things to decorate my room with. There's a Matador poster on ebay that's selling for $20.50. It's got a gigantic 10 in the middle with every single release matador ever, well, released. (I want it, I want it, I want it...) Of course, because of my lack of funds, I shall resort to making my own collage... Which should be fun. Eh.. I just realized I am extremely hungry and have no more of interesting things to say. The only human contact I've had for the past 5 days was with my parents. You'd be a boring person, too. Cheers +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: muscly lips and Dunfermline bits
by Will Salt 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Um, hello. There might be a bit about Dunfermline below, so don't read on if you don't want to. In fact, I just want to say that the Dunfermline gig was luuuuuurvely in all the best ways. I hope this doesn't make the rest of you all *too* jealous. There didn't seem to be that many list people there, though, mostly just all the other people who have already posted to say how lovely it was. Oh, and there was some woman from Birmingham, too. ListMummyLinda said that Belfast Bob was cute. She is right, as usual. Then again, *all* the band are cute in one way or another. Well, they are if you ask me. (you can tell i'm still excited that I've seen Belle and Sebastian play live, can't you! even two days later! Woooo!) (WOOOOO!) Incidentally, I discovered that my bee-atch flatmate is *scared* of Sinister people! I had an extremely Sinister person stay over in my spare bedroom after the gig, and my flatmate hid as soon as she heard us come in the door. Afterwards, she kept asking things like "were they psychos, then?" I shouldn't have told her that the person in question came from Falkirk; that probably made it worse. Yes, the old man with the Sousaphone is cute, too. I preferred the clarinettist, though, cos I'm one myself. Well, i used to be. My lips are all slack now, though. I thought it was a shame that lots of people stayed in the bar during the support act -- OK, you *might* have spotted me there yourself, but I only nipped out for a minute to buy some badges. The funny thing is that the flatmate is scary herself. Well, I'm scared of her. She takes advantage of my gullibility to make me lend her money. She has none of her own, cos she's too much of a lazy-assed bee-atch to sort herself out and tell the student loans people to stop taking it off her. Sorry, I'm ranting. I shall have to get a Proper Job, then I can start dropping hints that she moves out. Lots of people keep saying they're going to the Picnic on saturday. So many, I'm scared and I might not go myself. I'll be terrified. If i do go, though, i'm going to bake some cookies. Don't touch me if you're allergic to nuts or something. I amused myself, getting off the train at Dunfermline Town station, trying to spot all the gig-going people who didn't have a clue where they were and what way to go. I wanted to shout to them all: "The Carnegie Hall's *this* way!" I think some of them might have followed us anyway -- not only were we *obviously* B+S fans, but we looked like we knew where we were going! Playing the clarinet *does* give you muscly lips, honestly. Gah, I wish I had them all nicely toned still. Don't touch me if you're a vegan, either. I use butter when i'm baking. She's nasty to the cat too. "Evil bitch-cat from hell!" she says. OK, I wasn't *too* sure where I was going, but I think I found the almost-shortest route there. It was nice and scenic, anyhow, and we had to stand outside for ages waiting for the doors to open anyhow. DING! Ooh, there goes the timer. I can stop writing now. The flatmate is out tonight, so I can lounge on the sofa in my favourite clothes listening to Belle and Sebastian. Reason B) to get a Proper Job: getting a proper stereo too. After all, there's nothing on the telly. I'm still not sure if Stuart M is cuter. He gets extra Cute Points for definitely being in the band, though. And his dancing just makes me smile. The cat's cute, too. Far too cute to be *nasty* to. I think i'd better be going. I've said *far* too much nonsense now. love xx gneissy -- Will Salt http://www.btinternet.com/~wpsalt/ ICQ 66321009 +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: white thighs and greasy poles
by Hugo Shannon 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

hello all! i know you're not meant to talk about yourself too much, but i had an experience yesterday that needs sharing. having quit my dull inland revenue job some weeks ago - to start doing semi hard labour on an archaeological dig rather than watching day time tv - i was suprised to find that i was being made to go on an its a knockout thing. i'd signed up for a paid day off work ages ago, but my ex-colleagues were quite insistant i still showed. i don't know if they have its a knockout in the states, its jeux sans frontieres (or something like that) in europe, but for those not familiar with it, i shall explain: lots of people ( around 300 none too fit civil servants in this case) sign a legal waiver saying they won't drink alcohol or sue if we hurt ourselves, drink lots of alcohol, then proceed to humiliate and injure themselves on a series of inflatable death traps filled with water mixed with an extremely acidic non sensitive skin friendly detergent. on an overcast fairly cold day in a field in sheffield. i felt pure misery for the first time in memory. it was ok on the dry courses, but there was a point where i was completely dry and some paid chimp threw a whole cold bucket of water over me from unsporting point blank range. then it got worse. ok, so most people did work for the revenue - but they're nice people just doing a job - cold soakings are out of order. a bit of a splash to the legs may add to the fun, but complete drenchings all over in coldish surroundings - no fun at all. after this i went to the bar for a large brandy, and felt much better. our team came in 30th out of 32. we were definitely in the top 5 for drunkenness though. anyway - content and that. i havn't heard jonathan and david yet, even though i've listened to radio 1 for the first time in years on the off chance. i possibly have a spare standing ticket for the rah - i'll be selling at cost price £16 and a quid or 2 booking fee. i may still be able to get a chum to go, but i thought i'd test the water. sorry if this is list abuse, but, in my defence, i'm drunk. i never post sober. is this a rule yet? is there any big meet up for london? i've got the day off and am getting the train down from nottingham. i don't know london so i can't suggest anything, i think someone did a while back that sounded ok. i seem to have been typing for ages, way more than 15 mins. i won't have anything interesting to say for at least, ohh, 17 weeks anyway, so its ok. goodbye, (much sympathies and best wishes to jen - hospitals are scary places, i had a bad drip experience once too) hugo. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: vicarious fun and a plea
by Lisa & Lee 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

I am all kinds of excited today... Why? You might well ask. Well, today's the day I go to purchase the "Johnathan and David" cd at my fave of all rekkid shops, 33 degrees. Since I've "been sinister" for only about a year now, this is my first time buying a B&S release right at the moment, experiencing the not to be missed or matched excitement of clutching it in my hands and racing home to hear something BRAND SPANKIN' NEW from our lovely band. Snatching off the plastic wrap, hurridly scrambling to place it in the player...ah the joy! I'll go on record as saying that the vicarious fun I'm having hearing about the gigs in no way replaces the actual shows themselves, but I like to read the notes, just the same. :) Also making me veddy veddy happy is the AIR gig on Friday!! Yowsa! I'll expect to see all the lo fi hip kids out in full force. What could be the third to complete a triumverate of happiness for me? (I'm sure this is list abuse, but here goes...please mail off list if you would) Would someone very much mind picking up some badges and a tshirt for me at one of the gigs? I have no way of procuring said items, seeing as how I live in Texas and all. I of course will pay all costs and even offer something nice and homemade as an extra incentive! :) Please pretty please , with strawberry switchblade on top? Let me know, superkids! Oodles of love and joy, Lisa from Texas +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Look away now if you don't want to know the score- Perth Gig Review
by Sunset . 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

A mile and a half on a bus from dundee to perth takes a very long time... especially as the bus in question decided to go round and round one little village three times... As a girl from a rural town I should appreciate the importance of public transport stopping in these little towns... but having moved to the bright lights of dundee I was impatient and wished the bus would just take the dual-carriage. On a night like this I wasn't in the mood for the scenic route and I glared angrily at people getting on at the million stops inbetween... The night of this criminal time wasting bus journey was in fact the 11th of June and a little known scottish band called belle and sebastain were playing at the the City hall... i know that they are little known because a couple of gentlemen passing by the queue asked who we were waiting for and when I replied belle and sebastian they laughed and said "never heard of them"... They looked like the type of gentlemen that you could trust to have good taste in music as well... Perth town (as according to the bus driver), city (as according to my tickets) hall was big and dark with round lights decorating the ceiling... I think at the time I thought it seemed like a very nice hall but my mind was not really concentrating on the architecture too well... The uptown shufflers shuffled stage on at 8.00 and were met with some enthusiasm... in particular Jackie who seemed to have developed quite a loyal fan base since Dunoon. The looks of amusement and bemusement that they encountered from the audience were replaced by smiles and cheers when they finished up with a song from the jungle book. And then they left leaving much restless anticipation... argghh!! Honestly how is any person supposed to wait patiently watching roadies setting up instruments? The band appeared on stage and started with le pastis and from then on the set was the same as Dunoon... "I'm feeling quite talkative tonight" said Stuart... and it seemed he was... At the time he was standing up ready to play guitar or sing or something like that. He was not at his piano as dictated by the set list. "I just wanted to see Stevies' reaction" And as well as this talkativeness the band in general seemed to be enjoying themselves. Stuart sang "I missed the ferry last night" during the boy with the arab strap. And his converstaion with Stevie as to what Johnathan and David was about left me wanting to know more than ever: "its personal" stevie said with a coy smile... During the break in the set Stevie sang the sun has got his hat on elvis costello style... now I'm really quite sure this wasn't a request from the audience. It was very funny nonetheless... Strangely enough one of the biggest cheers of the night was for the reappeance of the uptown shufflers... "we will be supporting them by the end of the tour" So apart from all of this what did they sound like? Brilliant of course... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: sinister: camera...
by daragh lynch 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

hi everyone, just a really quick question: do you think it'd be ok to bring a digital camera to the aberdeen show tomorrow night? or would it be taken away at the door? some photos would be nice though... love, daragh ps. see you all on sat. at the glasgow picnic _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: sinister: am i your jonathan to your david?
by Bipedalboy＠aol.com 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

well, g-morning to everyone, im smiling today listening to the NEW B&S CD!!! its quite lovely. it was such a surprise to find it yesterday and it came with a nother surprise (not the cd but what yesterday offered:) i met a fellow toy design student in san fran, which is odd due to the fact the school is located in nyc?!?!?! well, it was nice to meet a familiar face and acquire another wonderful cd from B&S... did you know? -"in late 1952 an unknown san francisco hobbyist entered a craft master paint by number still life in local art contest. the painting, a cubist collage entitled abstact no. one, took third prize. not until the end of th day was it revealed to be the product of a kit; the judges, too embarrasses, refused comment" from the book "the how-to craze that swept the nation PAINT BY NUMBERS" +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: beautiful only slightly mental
by Hannah Brown 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

one for all and all for one, well, arn't i a jibbering wreck at the moment, it's funny how the older you get the scaryer everything becomes, from seeing the grange hill kids all grown up, to realising that i will never get a job ever. yes, i had a hellish assesement, which i wont go into but basically, they hated my t-shirts(even though they are fab) and i cried. I blame you all because its this bloody site that im addicted to, i may have to pull out next year and get my head down. Im just writing to tell you that i dreamt of B&S the other night, they did a gig at the basement of C&A (what a coincidence) amonst the knickers and coats, there were violins and stuart wore shades and looked a bit twatty. And yes that is really it, no form, no context, middle or end, i bid you goodnight and hope this isnt the beginning of my decline. hannah "the cat sitting in the corner, a drinking and a thinking about how his live was spent, and then he'd fly, fly in to a rage, because his mind became delayed and he'd start accusing everyone that he'd been betrayed" +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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by marikka 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Ordinarily, I would try to catch up on the messages, but I think I might drown if I try. Instead I shall rant. Yesterday was horrid, nearly pure evil. Not only was work a complete and total terror, but the drivers on the way there seemed as if they actually did want to end my life, and I don't even live in Boston where people just naturally drive like that. Oh, but I nearly yelled at a superior. He deserved to be yelled at, but I like my job on most days. Anyway, the man is balding, wears a rather thick gold chain, keeps his always tacky shirt open far too much, and is just rude to most people. And yesterday I couldn't take it. Afterwards, I was ready to fight though. I miss my boss, he wouldn't let that happen, but he deserves a vacation I suppose. And all my officemate could do was laugh and then ask me questions about "Fight Club." Then I return home to the thought that the night might be pleasant. I talk to my best friend online, only to have her try and make me feel guilty about her journey to Japan. If she was going for herself, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but she is following a man who will only break her heart, and I am just rather tired of picking up the pieces. And picking up the pieces while she's in Japan and I'm in California makes it miserable. I don't think I can do it this time. Maybe the friendship is feeling the test of distance, which is strange because another friend of mine is in Mongolia, and we have never been closer. So, I decided to go to my room and write, but I couldn't write. All I did was think about how miserable I was because of the day's events. Then I tried to read, but books on pesticides are not very uplifting. So, I went to bed with Tigermilk playing, and woke up to it as well. Maybe today will be better. Anyway, I do remember an email regarding, I think it was, "Pearl Harbor." All I can say is that the movie was so forgettable and so boring that I am really doubting the existence of the grand Hollywood epic. Nothing is grand in Hollywood. And I do not know how to feel about Sigur Ros appearing in all of my record stores. If the record stores in Stockton, California have the album, I am terrified for the band. I was already worried about the amount of Belle and Sebastian I found, but I have noticed that no one has touched the section except me when I check to see if it has been touched. And the true travesty is that "Swordfish" is the new number one movie in America. Haven't people learned that John Travolta movies aren't really worth much lately? Am I the only one who remembers "Battlefield Earth?" Take care. Marikka. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Nasty man
by Sally_Moore＠mandg.co.uk 13 Jun '01

13 Jun '01

Hello everybody, I thought some of you might be interested to hear what our favourite fat boy Steven Wells has to say about the Jonathan David single. Don't read it if you're a proper twee person, you might cry. 'So you're walking through the woods minding your own business when suddenly you stumble across a teddy bear's picnic. Aww! So cute and furry and cuddly! But then one of the bears spots you and points a blunt paw and soon all the bears stare in your direction with their horribly emotionless glass eyes. And you s**t yourself. And that's Belle and Sebastian and their sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans in a freaky nutshell. Anyway, what about the music? If this gaggle of spectacularly inoffensive semi-songs were 10 per cent more tuneful, they'd be the sort of dross that Neil Finn (formerly of Crowded House) casually sticks in the bin on his occasional bad days. And if they were 10 per cent crapper then the sad probability is that B&S would probably have been accidentally rounded up and shot in the f**king head by MAFF slaughtermen ages ago under the erroneous impression that they were sick sheep. An easy mistake to make.' I haven't heard it yet but I'm almost certain it can't be that bad ;-) Eeek, two days till Glasgow. Please keep writing gig reviews, because they've been so enthusiastic it's making me even more excited about going to see them. Honey and Linda have been singing the praises of Belfast Bob and his lovely face-at first I thought he was a girl in the pictures, whoops. Sometimes I suprise myself with my silliness. I'm sure he's very handsome in the flesh though, I trust the list mummies. I hope this e-mail has the required number of *s to make it through, I've been in trouble once already today for trying to send an e-mail with rude words in, tsk, tsk. See some of you in the park on Saturday for the teddy bears picnic, or will there just be super cool knitted dollies there? I hope so. Sally xx ______________________________________________________________________ The information contained in this message may be CONFIDENTIAL and is intended for the addressee only. Any unauthorised use, dissemination of the information, or copying of this message is prohibited. If you are not the addressee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete this message. Although this e-mail and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus, or other defect which might affect any computer or system into which they are received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for any loss or damage from receipt or use thereof. Please note that all e-mail messages are subject to interception for lawful business purposes. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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