August 2003 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: If I were an animal I would not be a mouse I would be a HAMPSTER - GRRR!
by robin stout 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Jay is poofed? Well there's a thing! I've often suspected that somewhere out there are a panel of super-intelligent lurkers, who sit licking their pencils and scribbling notes while they listen to our sinister nonsense, only rarely pushing back their chairs to make a sharp-as-paper comment that leaves us all awestruck, then sit down again. These suspicions were confirmed when, looking through my inbox, i found an email from one Robin Stout that attempted to be an explanation of why Belle and Sebastian aren't twee, but deteriorated into a story about when he went to Sports Day and his car broke down. This example of below-average intelligence was followed by; Peter, who pondered: << i've never been sure what emo / twee / etc are. but then again i am weirded out by people who insist on these quasi-teutonic classifcations for music. and i always get chided by my friends with REAL indie street-cred for saying that. (because they think it's totally justifiable to say, "oh yeah, this is post-punk ska with a little disco influence" etc.) i think the best description of b&s was "sunny pop with rainy lyrics" but i can't remember where that came from. >> Perfect, succinct. A thousand heads nod as one. and Michelle, who quoted: << "Yet what remains so compelling about Sinister is that it has none of the cliches that would come to typify its imitators. Stuart Murdoch's characters are neither timid nor frail. They're restless and horny and pissed-off, flipping fingers at the loutish football hooligans clogging the local pub. Other twee twerps are all flinches and shivers, but Belle and Sebastian has nothing but confidence-the kind of big-balled, brawny braggadocio that comes from knowing, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that everyone else is beneath you." >> And i think that that just about hits the mark, too. Good to have you both with us, Peter and Michelle. I hope you're not going to put down your pencils just yet. Thanks for the article, Michelle. I'm not sure that I know what Magnet is, exactly. Magnet is a furniture shop, non? Seems strange that they should review records in their furniture catalogue, but it's a funny world. The only other thing I have to say on the subject of twee is that I can never understand how people who are big fans of Belle and Sebastian can still misunderstand how un-twee many of their songs are. Someone told me once that they used to listen to them a lot, but they've got no time for happy pop songs anymore. I couldn't understand this. Some of their songs are the saddest songs I've ever heard. +++ I'm getting into internet radio. Not only does it give me Lauren Laverne every morning it let me hear a Tender Trap song called "Friendster" and Darren "Hefner" Hayman's new band The French. Thinking of these two bands, something occurred to me. Maybe Belle and Sebastian should split up. Stuart Murdoch should form another band with a funny name. They would have a different sound, a different direction, but the same intelligence and panache. I would quite like this. Is this dangerous talk? +++ I wish I lived in California. Not because of any concerts, really, I just wish I lived there. Robin x [ by express delivery : http://www.superatomic.co.uk/blog ] _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: you know i love you
by elizabeth trawick 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Hi all. It's getting to be that time of the morning where every time i move my head too fast things get blurred and it takes a while for my eyes to focus again. Also I've noticed that at times like this it's hard for me to have good coordination, as well as clear thinking... But ah, I have Belle and Sebastian and they are keeping me sane for the time being. In all honesty, I wish I could've just packed up and been off to New York to see the band. That would've been absolutely wonderful... I'm sad to have missed it. Someone asked me tonight if I ever felt as if I wasn't good enough and/or that wonder why people like me? I answered yes, of course, as most people I think would. Really, though, I think I only wonder why certain people like me... I wonder, mostly, why I like -them-. I guess that sounds pretty lame. It seems like the world around me is unfolding. I'm finding out more and more people I know have cancer or a tumor... Terminal or not, it's a very scary situation and it's hit close to home twice but I was too young to realise what was really happening. But now I know and it's hitting me really hard... What can you do for comfort in these situations? How do you comfort the friend? On the other hand, there's boys. I think that word 'boy' in the word 'boys' says it all. Okay, now I really am getting extremely deliriously tired. Pardon my seemingly dull/pointless post. My excuse is that I am very tired. Please forgive me. xox Elizabeth _________________________________________________________________ <b>Help protect your PC:</b> Get a free online virus scan at McAfee.com. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: As requested
by Jay Eckard 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

My Sinister Lovelies. Well, my goodness, I hope all you lovely children who were lucky enough to be in New York enjoyed the show. As far as I'm concerned, if you /were/ in the Tri-State area, you had no real reason not to be there. Thirty-five dollars notwithstanding, really. The show was as lovely as a thing that is fuzzy and lovely. I was most impressed by the sound quality. It was quite good -- even more so, as the system tried to silence Ben Kweller. Everyone was in top form, blah, blah, blah. There was the introduction of people who won the Treasure Hunt and the people who ran the Treasure Hunt. The Mets were discussed. (I do not support or denegrate this sports team. I merely report.) Hooligans tried to break in. Bubbles were blown. Miss Laura Llew fel in love with gayboy. I even noticed people were smoking the marijuana (!) People (not me) drank overpriced beer and (this I did do) buy overppriced marchandise. They played: Fuck this Shit (see! Cursing! Sod sod sod! By Jingo!) Expectations Dirty Dream No 2 Step into my Office Baby Like Dylan in the Movies Women's Realm (Go Sarah!) Don't Leave the Light On, Baby If You Find Yourself Caught in Love... Scooby Driver The Boy with the Arab Strap There's Too Much Love String Bean Jean Jonathan David Sleep the Clock Around Judy and the Dream of Horses (request #3 from Treasure Hunter Winners who didn't get 1 or 2) The Encore was A Burt Bacharach song Dog on Wheels I was quite proud of myself: my pen died after "Step into My Office" so I tried writing it all down anyway and recovering it with a pencil (just like a spy!). It really was a fine show: perfect weather, good music AND I got to spend it with Cheesybun Eric and Miss Laura Llew! I'd be more critickal (As this IS my job an all) but I'm faired poofed from my recent endevours and shall try to later. How did the picnic go? -- "The Posby falls into a Trance In which it does a little Dance." Edward Gorey _________________________________________________________________ <b>Get MSN 8</b> and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: and besides this there are lots of people complaining about Pete Yorn...
by michelle 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

Good evening sinister, I've only written once before to say hello and then ran away too soon, though I read mostly every post! Really, I do! Now I'm saying hello again, but also thought I'd share something too: I just finished reading the latest copy of Magnet(no not the one that you had to read to keep yourself occupied as I nursed my hangover into far too late hours of the afternoon, mmm skyscraper!) and for anyone who has not had the chance to read it yet, Belle and Sebastian take home #5 of the top 60 albums of 1993-2003 for 'If You're Feeling Sinister'. There is a write up that goes along with it and I thought I'd share in case anyone was interested in some late night/ early morning reading. here goes! " With a wink, a sigh and a bucketful of gallows humor, these six Glaswegians coaxed a small army of wilting intellects away from their dogeared copies of Baudrillard and back into the record stores. If You're Feeling Sinister�was such an epoch-marker that other pop-culture zeitgeists can be traced directly back to it: an upswing in Nick Drake album sales, the quiet is the new loud phenomenon, cardigan sweaters. This was no small feat for a band that went to great lengths to shield itself from the public eye, politely shunning interviews and photo shoots. �Yet what remains so compelling about Sinister is that it has none of the cliches that would come to typify its imitators. Stuart Murdoch's characters are neither timid nor frail. They're restless and horny and pissed-off, flipping fingers at the loutish football hooligans clogging the local pub. Other twee twerps are all flinches and shivers, but Belle and Sebastian has nothing but confidence-the kind of big-balled, brawny braggadocio that comes from knowing, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that everyone else is beneath you. Even the tracks that lay bare� Murdoch's sad-angel voice ("The Fox in the Snow," "The Boy Done Wrong Again") feel like comforts rather than complaints. The songs possess an elegance that is almost baroque, ornamented with stately strings and gilded with glittering piano. Combined with Murdoch's earthy humor, Sinister effortlessly manages the same marriage of cunning and class as Voltaire and Swift. "Nobody writes 'em like they use to," Murdoch brags regarding pop songs, "so it may as well be me." And for one full record, that's exactly what he did." (JEK) Magnet Sep/Oct 2003 pg.82 If at least one person enjoyed reading this, then these little�hands being all tired now are worth it! Have a lovely rest of the night wherever you may find yourself. Me? I'm going to watch "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart" for the 700th time. It's like a sickness really. michelle "My mind is filled with silvery stuff Honey kisses, clouds of fluff Shoulders shrugging off My mind is filled with radio cures Electronic surgical words Oh, distance has no way of making love understandable..." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: REGULAR OCCURANCE IN THE PAST WEEK
by Emma Cooper 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

person: so did you get your a-level results on thursday? emma : yes person: so...how did you do? emma : ok person: what did you get? emma: bbc person : oh....thats good....are you pleased? emma: umm........yes........it'll do person : ............ emma : how did you do? person : oh i got 5 zillion A*'s even though thats impossible and now i'm going to go to oxford and cambridge at the same time and be a better person than you ( sweetly smiles) emma : right well......well done i just got back from a gig, i was cycling past my neighbor's house today when i hear progessive rock coming from the garage, now i knew a boy there years ago so i go in and chat to him, he's playing a gig tonight in manchester with this band and i happen to be in manchester tonight visiting friends but it might finish early so i might go see them, the visiting finishes early and i go see them, they're ok,potential but making mistakes and not brilliant balance, and the other bands are ok, one was like busted and another was a bit better but not inspiring, anyway i meet all his friends and its great meeting loads of new people and making friends with them (even if they are all from much posher schools than me), they gave me a lift home and i've been offered a gig with another band in a month which i might do so all in all a good night with no punctuation Hope everyone's happy with all their exam results. Emma ps I'm not bitter, honest +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: definitions etc
by Maddalo＠aol.com 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

hi, i'm emerging from perennial lurkerdom just to say a few words. i've never been sure what emo / twee / etc are. but then again i am weirded out by people who insist on these quasi-teutonic classifcations for music. and i always get chided by my friends with REAL indie street-cred for saying that. (because they think it's totally justifiable to say, "oh yeah, this is post-punk ska with a little disco influence" etc.) i think the best description of b&s was "sunny pop with rainy lyrics" but i can't remember where that came from. a review somewhere? maybe somebody knows. and why isn't anybody talking about the brooklyn concert last night? i only got to hear the last 5 or 6 songs (from "judy and the dream of horses" onward) because i was trapped at a rehearsal in manhattan. so i was hoping somebody would fill me in on what else they played, etc. xo peter +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: definitions etc
by Maddalo＠aol.com 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

hi, i'm emerging from perennial lurkerdom just to say a few words. i've never been sure what emo / twee / etc are. but then again i am weirded out by people who insist on these quasi-teutonic classifcations for music. and i always get chided by my friends with REAL indie street-cred for saying that. (because they think it's totally justifiable to say, "oh yeah, this is post-punk ska with a little disco influence" etc.) i think the best description of b&s was "sunny pop with rainy lyrics" but i can't remember where that came from. a review somewhere? maybe somebody knows. and why isn't anybody talking about the brooklyn concert last night? i only got to hear the last 5 or 6 songs (from "judy and the dream of horses" onward) because i was trapped at a rehearsal in manhattan. so i was hoping somebody would fill me in on what else they played, etc. xo peter +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: BERKELEY and LA MEET UPs!
by Rachel fruitloop-Apps 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

Hey Kids! I want to share my excitement with y'all about the upcoming Belle & Sebastian gigs here in Califor-ni-a! HERE WE GO!!! WHOOOO! YIPPEEEEEE! AOWWWWWWW! YEEEHAWWW! HOORAHHH! ***BERKELEY MEET UP!!! BERKELEY MEET UP!!! BERKELEY MEET UP!!!*** Early Friday, Ben and I are leaving on a jet plane to the SF Bay area. Ian Rivamonte and I have been having a bit of a discussion about where we might have a Sinister pre-show gathering. Ian had a wonderful idea. Let's all meet at the International House Cafe in Berkeley.� It's on 2299 Piedmont Ave. in Berkeley.� It has coffee and food and it's really, really close to the Greek.� So, convenience and all that is met by meeting there.� We can chat, have coffee, meet and greet, and spin with a grin. Here's a link for more info: http://ias.berkeley.edu/ihouse/i/visitor.html Let's say 5:30 pm just to be safe.� The ticket says show starts at 7:30 p.m. so that should give us enough time to chat, eat, get to know each other, and then trek on over to get great spots in the front (Well, for those of you who can!) ***LA MEET UP!!! LA MEET UP!!! LA MEET UP!!!*** >From 4:30pm Sunday. Go just past the Greek Theatre on N. Vermont and beyond the parking lot on the left is a field. That's where we'll be. Bring snacks or whatever you'd like to have. I'll bring my B&S playing cards. Ben may even bring out the mini cricket set! ***LA TREASURE HUNT!!! LA TREASURE HUNT!!! LA TREASURE HUNT!!!*** A fine fellow named Peter Crooks and I were chosen to be the Los Angeles Treasure Troopers for the B&S treasure hunt. The clues are going to be published in the LA Weekly tomorrow. If you are in the LA area, I suggest that you go for the gold. I nearly kept the prizes for myself, but that would be unsportsman-like conduct. I'd surely get a red-card for it! But trust me, the treasure is fantastic! I may be looking for another LA ticket, so if any of you have extras you'd like to sell, please email me. I hope to see a whole lot of you soon! love, Rachel fruitloop-Apps P.S.I liked the suggestion that MARIANNA LONGMIRE is the new KEN CHU. But MARIANNA LONGMIRE is much harder to make into punny lyrics... CHU DON'T KEN'D ME. See, that's so easy! I'll have to work on Marianna ones... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: getting points for swearing
by Mark Hester 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

...oops, somehow managed to neglect to copy and paste the legend/key/whatever into my last post. So, for those who are scratching their heads, it was: * with apologies to Mark C ** This is dying out it seems....REVIVE! and for those of you who read this post first, the above will make no sense whatsoever. And if anyone who thinks that I must be the staidest person ever for asterisking out "pissed" I'd better point out that we have another piece of software at work which bounces back any emails with what it feels is "inappropriate content" and I'd written that e-mail at work and forwarded it to my nme address. The weird thing is that it actually awards points to words on the basis of how strong it thinks they are. Which means we can have swearing competitions heh heh. The crazy world of commerce. ______________________________________________________________ For up-to-the-minute music news, reviews and specials visit http://www.nme.com Get free e-mail (anyname(a)nme.com) now at http://www.nmemail.com The sender of this e-mail is NOT an employee or associate of NME, nme.com or any other IPC magazine. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: your knowledge is needed.
by Tamra Ann Thomas 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

so, i did something stupid. i wrote what i thought to be a sarcastic and humorous message to a boy on friendster that has a vendetta against "emo" music. i made a very very poor argument that belle and sebastian are a "emo-isk" band, and therefore liking them, he had emo in his blood, and was just in denial about it. so, i started a war. he wrote me a very long, and what i found to be humorous retort to my message. i am sure that he wanted to make me cry with they way he was choosing his words, but it just made me laugh. so, it now comes to the point of this post. i have three questions for you (one of which is more of a proposal). question one. what french movie that came out in 1975 did some of the lyrics from "the state i am in" come from and or were inspired by? if i am dumb because i do not know this, so be it. i am dumb. i jokingly used the line "i was happy for a day in 1975" to prove that b&s was "emo." emphasis on jokingly. oh dear. he quickly trashed my status as a! fan of b&s because i did not know this fact. question two. what is your definition of emo, twee, and or any other hip music category that you might be able to help me define. all i know is weezer is emo, b&s is twee, and modest mouse is indie. what is used to define these placements, and is there a hierarchy? question three, or more correctly stated, a proposal. i propose that labeling bands into different subgroups might be a good idea for making it easier to make yourself feel as though you are part of a larger community, but here does it go bad? this message that the gentlemen sent me sparked a inner debate with me that either you find inherently interesting, or plainly boring and with obvious answers. either way, i want to know what you think. this man really hates this genre of music, and i am finding myself question what defines this genre, is his annoyance justified, and more importantly, why is this important? if we spent a lot of time labeling the bands we like into different categories, don't we lose sight on something that is supposed to be the reason we like music in the first place? when i was growing up and first started to listen to nirvana (my first "rock band," i did grow up in seattle after all), i instinctively denounced all my prior hip-hop albums. i did not listen to it for years. why would i want to listen to t! his horrible mainstream media fed, brainwashing music about sex, drugs, and more sex? that is where i think i lost sight on the reason why we listen to music. some hip-hop is fun. some of it is really good. a lot of it is really bad, but if you take the time to listen, you can make your whole music experience so much more fulfilled. there is even good country music which if i heard myself say that six years ago, i would have jumped off a bridge in shame. maybe by dismissing the "emo" scene, this man is missing out on what could be his favorite band ever. oh well, his loss. i just have a hard time lumping a whole scene into one category and denouncing it. if i understand what emo is then what makes a band emo? every "emo" kid i know likes b&s, for that matter, they like joy division too. i am not saying that joy division is emo, ian curtis r.i.p., but if enough people for a sub group of a larger culture like a band, is that enough to revamp their status as possibly emo-isk (and or any other scene you would like to insert here), and thus a integral part of that sub group, alas making them the shamed emo? help help help. i know that this is ramble-ly, and i apologize, i just want to see what you think, and i did not have enough time to write an essay on why i think the labeling of music is a shameful practice, yet one that is addictive and helpful at the same time. maybe after you respond i will. oh and mr. tony, the esteemed b&s fan on friendster who this poorly worded and overly philosophical (or underly as some might view it) post is about is on this list, please respond. i would love to hear your remarks. tammy. there is no silver lining on a mushroom cloud-ny times _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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