August 2003 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: Anybody know Dave - Took pics at L.A. show?
by Ian Rivamonte 25 Aug '03

25 Aug '03

I don't know if Dave is on this list, but he took a mini video of me singing those 3 lines of Dirty Dream #2 in L.A. I lost the piece of paper with his e-mail address!! Dave is a tall fella, at least 6'1", skinny, semi-long hair, and was wearing a black Dandy Warhols shirt. He was at the pit with me. I vaguely remember his e-mail address but it had something to do with animals. Anyways, Dave, please e-mail me! If you know of this guy, please forward him this message. Thanks! Cheers, Ian +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: B&S L.A. Moments!!
by Ian Rivamonte 25 Aug '03

25 Aug '03

This time it's L.A. I was at the pit at the very front of Stuart. I asked Stuart after he sang Jonathan David, "Stuart! Can we come on stage again like in Berkeley?" He had a grin on his face and he said, "You can come up!" I didn't know what to do until they launched into Dirty Dream #2. I knew what I was in for. Stuart signalled me to go up and I did. I wasn't afraid being on stage. I was in this state of euphoria where I couldn't hear anything or see anything. All I saw was Stuart and the mic stand. I proceeded to say the first line, "In a town so small, there's no escaping you." Then I backed away. This time, I was deathly afraid because I didn't know the exact wording of the second line. So, with my Liam Gallagher impersonation (I had to do it! When am I ever going to do it in front of 10,000 people?) I said the same line. Nobody seemed to notice. Then I completed the third line. I began bouncing up and down like crazy, raising my arms "Arsenio Hall" style in the air! Then I heard the crowd cheering for me and they all went mad! I immediately went down from the stage so Stuart can finish the song. I was received with lots of compliments and pats on the back from the pit crowd. Then, after B&S played an awesome rendition of "Video Killed the Radio Star," they played "Judy and the Dream of Horses." If you were following my previous story, this is the song that Stuart invited everyone to go on stage and dance. After the first verse, he invited people on stage. Of course, I was there with them! It was so cool!!! Then Connor from Bright Eyes danced with me and I just couldn't control my happiness, joy, and my moment of child-like actions. I was jumping like mad!! Dancing and just big smiles all around, giving high fives to the group of people around me on stage for instigating this whole thing. Then I gave Stuart a hug telling him thank you for the most wonderful night of my life. Then I got the setlist. As I was exiting the venue, random people started coming up to me congratulating and complimenting me for my performance. I didn't know what to say, other than "thank you?" At Fred's 62, I also got applauses. At the Derby, same reaction. There goes my moment of fame. Today it will be forgotten by all. But it will live in eternity with me. Thanks for reading. Cheers, Ian +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: You make me wanna...
by Lucy Alder 25 Aug '03

25 Aug '03

Dear old Sinister How I love it when the student types among us return to their free-use computers and the list explodes into frenzied argument. For the record, I own two pairs of mary janes (one red, one blue), a pair of ballet slippers (black) and several pairs of kick-ass ultra-high stilettos, with which I will stab you in various parts of the body so that you kind of resemble Saint Sebastian, if only he were patron saint of cobblers instead of Bartholomew, if you ever DARE to call me twee. Ive liked Ians posts and agree with Mr Hewitt that hes describing something quite right and legitimate, just with the wrong word. Would good, old-fashioned Sensitivity work? But reclaim twee and give it positive connotations if you must. Its been done with other words, after all. I am glad there is so much talk about people liking the Aislers Set. Anyone wishing to discuss the T-word with Miss Linton may come to the Winchester Club on October 17th for an EENOI (thats Extremely Exciting Night Of Incredibleness, by the way) when not only the Aislers Set but also the Lucksmiths will be playing for us. *Lucy gets up, runs around the room several times, jumps around a bit and does a couple of snoopies to try to work off the excitement* Id like to welcome Edda, who introduced herself by referring to virginity in her subject line, then saying I also do modeling now and then and I don't have a boyfriend and talking about booty shaking. I predict that before long her inbox will be swamped with shy boys asking if, huh huh, shes on Friendster. I like this girls style :) I heard Stay Loose at the weekend. Blimey! Its fantastic. Kind of what I wished theyd done a couple of albums ago. Kind of what Id hoped for after I heard Shoot the Sexual Athlete. Its got so much *sound*. Its so full it makes the other records sound a bit weedy in comparison. Well, perhaps weedy's the wrong word. Maybe theyre just a bit more delicate. Lets have a crap analogy its like Seurat got pissed off with pointillism, got out his big brushes and came out with something Rothko would have been proud of. Does that make sense? Sort of? I predict that sections of this list will positively hate it (not much of a prediction after who was it? did that Chu-style pastiche). Finally, thanks to Laurel for the book review. I will henceforth refer to Nalda Said as The Crappy Diamond. Bye bye Juicy Lucy ===== The one, the only Glasgow Indie List! http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/glasgow-indie/ ************************************************** The Winchester Club http://www.geocities.com/the_winchester_club ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: la show.
by Jennifer Juniper 25 Aug '03

25 Aug '03

hi kids! i am sure i am not the only one who will write in with a review or musings about the show this evening but i just have the compelling desire to share right now. okay, it could be because i am still a bit drunk from the after-show at the derby. i also had my first cigarette in over a year tonight so you will have to forgive my candidness. the show was strange. at least it was a strange experience for me. i have been into the band since 1997 and went so far as to go to chicago from la to see them in 1998 because i thought it was the closest they were ever going to get to me. and seeing the show proved me right. it was a miracle they got through a song without falling apart. it was beautiful because it felt like you were witnessing a miracle in the making. tonight, much like how they were two years ago, they were a different band. they are so much more professional and together now. last tour i was impressed, this time i was left with the empty feeling that my band had disappeared. the beauty and fragility were gone and replaced by slick production. don't get me wrong, the new songs are lush and very complex. they are a more mature band now, but something was missing even from the old songs they played. mind you i was up in the cheap seats of section b row a. it was the best i could do after missing the pre-sale in june. i had to wade through wrestling fans and people picking up harry potter books for those tickets. tonight the band just seemed so small and far away. the intensity was missing from the show for me. i am used to being up close where i can watch their every move and enjoy every moment. tonight, i was remote and cut off from the band. i was even feeling cut off from the fans until i went up to the "party" section at the top of the theatre. i felt like i couldn't dance and enjoy the show from where i was sitting. that is the thing, i was sitting and so was everyone around me. the pit wasn't even moving around too much. when i noticed all the fun that was going on in cheap seats, i gave up my good viewing point in lieu of getting to dance and have a great time.. belle and sebastian, they will always have a place in my heart but they have moved on. the people at the show were the usual suspects but there were new people there as well. i look forward to hearing the new cd, but just remind me for next time that i have to be in the pit to enjoy the show. otherwise i feel like i am on another world from them. cheerios, jennifer juniper p.s. so what was in the treasure chest for la? i would really love to find out! :o) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: She wore gold shoes with diamante, like Kylie wore on TV
by robin stout 25 Aug '03

25 Aug '03

David put his two cents in: << I think the thing that we are, for which we can't ever seem to agree on a word, is a valuable and positive thing. The exaggerated or affected version of this thing is called 'twee', and that's perhaps how some of us are seen and labelled from the outside.. >> I think David is very wise. I don't know what I'm going to do with those two cents in Wales, though. Probably try stuffing them in vending machines to see if they give me crisps. I wish that they would. I haven't had any money to spend all weekend, so have been re-using teabags and living on tins. Well, I tried living on tins but I kept falling off. Last night I was so bored at being in on a Bank Holiday Sunday that me and my housemate set up a bar in the living room to pretend we were in the pub. It would have been fun except I was thrown out for flicking coins on the bar. People keep giving me free food so I don't waste away. Yesterday someone gave me a cake and a mango. I'm not sure what to do with the mango. I think I'll put it on the sideboard and look at it. It scares me. We don't have mangos in Kidderminster, you see. During our 'pub' conversation we were reading Cosmopolitan. Apparently my "Sex Animal" is a dolphin. Not quite sure what I'm supposed to hold on to, but okay, whatever they say. I told my friend about how I know someone who writes articles for Take A Break Magazine, you know, the one that has stories like "My husband shot my dog and had him made into shoes but I still love him". Apparently, this friend of mine has sent in a story on how she overcame her fear of crocodiles, but, because she'd made it all up and didn't have any photos of herself with a crocodile, she sent in one of my sister instead. Needless to say my sister wasn't to pleased. I've decided that writing for Take A Break sounds like a good idea. I would write about how I am a bigamist with four wives, who i see on a four-week cycle under the pretence of a job working in submarines. Coincidentally, these four wives are best friends and are constantly telling each other how great their husbands (me) are, and how it's such a shame that the others can't meet him, because whenever i'm 'off the submarine' all they want to do is have me to themselves for hot and steamy nights of bonking. So I'm married to these women because I figure that it is my duty to make women happy, but the one woman I truly love, a barmaid called Glenda, is actually having it off with the vicar's wife! Oh, how shall I ever be truly happy? I reckon I could get a few quid for that one. The funny thing about this debate on 'twee' is that it's been happening on Sinister, off and on, for the last squillion years. It's an eternal mystery of the universe. I reckon we'll be arguing about it for years and years only to come to the conclusion that 'twee' is good and bad *at the same time* and, anyway, lets all just love one another, I'm having a party on Tuesday and I've booked a naked lady to jump out of a cake. Something like that. If you type in 'twee' into the Sinister Archive, you get this: http://www.missprint.org/cgi-bin/anylistsearch.cgi?query=twee&list=sinister… I had a look through some of the posts that appeared, and decided I liked this comment from Nick Dastoor the best: << Are you happy for Belle & Sebastian to be pigeonholed as 'twee'? You see I think that's pretty faint praise. I'd say that an example of a song that is 'excessively sentimental' (Collins Dictionary) is something like 'Tomorrow' from 'Annie'. Is this the kind of music you see as B&S's musical antecedent? >> Of course, that comment was written in 1924, when we were all wearing knickerbockers and worrying about the corrupting effect of mass importation of 'bananas' from the Indies, but I think it's still relevant today. It's not that i'm offended by being seen as twee because in fact i am hard, or anything like that. I just think it is an inaccurate label, applied when all people really mean is they appreciate love, animals, biscuits, books, things that are scorned a little by your average gym instructor. I was once in a bookshop and a stranger called my coat twee. "No", I said, "It's not twee, it's tweed". Aww, I used to love that coat. I lost it on a train to Swansea and never saw it again. xx Robin xx [ by express delivery : http://www.superatomic.co.uk/blog ] _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. 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Sinister: twee the clock around
by laurel lemming 25 Aug '03

25 Aug '03

...and I meant to add, to jump into the fray here, that on July 31 I received this email with the subject "twee: Word of the Day": >The Word of the Day for Aug 01 is: >twee \TWEE\ adjective >chiefly British : affectedly or excessively dainty, >delicate, cute, or quaint >Example sentence: >Thatched-roof birdhouses with posies in the windows >are a bit too twee for Annalese, who doesn't go in >much for cutesiness. >Did you know? >Most adults wouldn't be caught dead saying, "Oh, look >at the tweet 'ittle birdie!" (at least not to anyone >over the age of three), but they probably wouldn't be >averse to saying, "He went fishing with his dad," "She >works as a nanny," or "Hey, buddy, how's it going?" >Anyone who uses "dad," "nanny," or "buddy" owes a debt >to "baby talk," a term used for both the childish >speech adults adopt when addressing youngsters and for >the speech of small children who are just learning to >talk. "Twee" also originated in baby talk, as an >alteration of "sweet." In the early 1900s, it was a >term of affection, but nowadays British speakers and >writers, and, increasingly, Americans as well, use >"twee" for things that have passed beyond agreeable >and into the realm of cloying. >*Indicates the sense illustrated in the example >sentence." what I find interesting about this commentary on the word--apart from finding it in my inbox instead of in my Sinister folder--is that it even mentions Americans' use of the word. in my experience, fewer Americans know "twee" than they do most other British-isms. I think, like any other description, "twee" can be used in a critical and negative way, as in the last part of that definition. however, I think it can be used with affection--though not affected affection or cloying affection, I suppose. just a touch of twee-ness might be good for everyone. wouldn't want to have too much twee, you might find it hard to stand up. laurel "going to bed now" lemming __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Sure, I like twee kids. But I couldn't eat a whole one.
by David Hewitt 25 Aug '03

25 Aug '03

G'day all. Bloody marvellous, this 'twee' controversy, isn't it? The list is a better read now than it has been in ages. Hats off, to everyone involved. I'll try not to spoil it. YOU CAN'T SEE THE WOOD FOR THE TWEES You know, I can usually identify all the subcultures around me. I can hang a label off pretty much every other table at the pub. Except the one that my mates are sitting at. I haven't a clue how we're seen. We're all individuals, you see - too diverse and too complex to bung a label on. We wear what we like and listen to what we genuinely enjoy, because we understand and appreciate it. Impossible to pigeonhole, really. But you know what? I bet some bloke at every other table in the pub thinks exactly the same thing. It's a question of how close you get to something. My mates are as different as chalk and cheese. Musical tastes all over the place. I can't understand how some of them can shitcan the Smiths, and they can't understand how I can shitcan the Pixies. Personalities, tastes and styles all over the shop. It's a wonder we're friends, really. But hang on. Nobody's listening to gangster rap or Celine Dion, nobody's wearing Kappa or Prada. We don't soup up our cars or play footy. Nobody's got that funny little chain attached to their wallet, or a tie-dyed shirt, or dreadlocks, or a wolfshirt. So stand back a bit. We're obviously something. There's stuff in common. There's probably a big, obvious label attached, but I'll be damned if I can read it from here. And I very much doubt we get any say in what's written on it. You could probably say the same for this group of people. I'm not as well travelled or as old-school as many, but I've had the very great pleasure of meeting a reasonable cross-section of listees on several continents. And again, we've not got much in common. Not even the whole Belle and Sebastian thing, in a lot of cases. But, there's obviously something. Fucked if I know what it is, though, because I'm probably used to taking it completely for granted. From the outside, it might look like it's 'tweeness'. I loathe the word, personally, and it's not one I'd ever self-apply. But maybe it's an easy term with which to generalise and exaggerate a certain quality (one where clinging to child-like, though not child-ish, attributes is seen as a virtue) from the OUTSIDE. It's when you try to take on board and embody this stereotype that it gets to be problematic. TO TWEE OR NOT TO TWEE? 'Twee', by definition, means "overly precious or nice" or "affectedly dainty or refined". Emphasis on 'overly' and 'affectedly'. It's a negative term. It perhaps refers to a quality that might otherwise be desirable, but cases where there's simply too much of it, or where it's put on. I think 'twee', as it's commonly understood, is a grotesque caricature of a sensibility in which nostalgia and gentleness are considered to be things worth preserving, in the face of cynicism. So, I think the thing that we are, for which we can't ever seem to agree on a word, is a valuable and positive thing. The exaggerated or affected version of this thing is called 'twee', and that's perhaps how some of us are seen and labelled from the outside (though not me - I'm somewhere between a geek and a square these days). So perhaps it's simply a matter of subverting the word. Embracing the stereotype and taking it back. Maybe that's what some of you are trying to do by (re)claiming it. I hope so. I've very much enjoyed Hobart's posts recently. I think in his defence of 'twee', he put his finger on exactly the quality we're talking about. The only point on which I disagree with him is his choice of word to apply to that quality. I don't think what he's talking about is excessive or affected, or indeed the sort of thing that would get up Mark Casarotto's nose. But I'll be damned if I can think of a better word to suggest for it. BORN TWEE I was particularly interested in Hobart's point about how affectation can actually become a part of a person. I think this is something that we're all aware of, but probably struggle against or (on the occasions where we've embraced it or even actively sought it out as a beneficial thing) flat-out deny. It was quite remarkable to hear this process discussed in a forum like this in such a positive and candid manner. Kudos. There are things about ourselves that we hide, and other things that we exaggerate. It might be in order to fit in with our own ideas of ourselves, or with someone else's idea about how we should be. We do it at work, we do it when we're on the pull. Some of us do it pretty much all the time, when we pretend to be grown-ups. These little tensions, with which we are pushed and pulled, are part of what help shape us, and it'd be a mistake to dismiss them as meaningless, simply because they seem superficial and phoney. Sometimes, that bandwagon you jump on when you're 15 even drops you off somewhere better than where you were, or at least lets you take a few postcards back with you, that might stay stuck to the front of a very different, older and wiser person's fridge for years to come. NOT MY CUP OF TWEE There's not too much that could be said about everyone on this list, collectively. There's a fair proportion of you that I feel really fond of, and a few of you who get on my tits. I do think, though, for the most part, that there's a certain sensibility here. It's a literate, thoughtful, imaginative and tolerant sensibility, and one in which things like wistfulness, stargazing and daydreaming are as important as chest-beating. It's also a place where it seems that more listening is done than talking (or more reading than writing, if you prefer), which I think makes it unique amongst Internet communities. I can understand people not liking being all lumped in together. Nobody does. The whole 'checklist of several appropriate bands along with reference showing I was into them before everyone else followed by stock footage of botched sexual encounter' gets on my nellie as well. It's certainly not what I'm about. My point (you didn't think I had one, did you?) is that it's too easy to see how 'we' are all different, and how 'they' are all the same. A small (okay, not that small), arrogant, superior bit of me would like to think that it's true. But then I'd also like to think that it's just a matter of what you choose to pay attention to. Incidentally, I thought Idleberry's definitions were spot on. OTHER STUFF Erm, the new Sodastream album is really good. If I could do so without making insultingly sweeping generalisations about people's tastes in music, I'd suggest you all pick up a copy at your earliest convenience. As it is, however, I'll have to let you decide for yourselves. Oh, and forgive me if this is all a little rushed and incoherent. I'm meant to be working, but I couldn't resist putting my 2c in. You know how it is. Bulk love, -David. _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. 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Sinister: content? you decide
by laurel lemming 25 Aug '03

25 Aug '03

well, stuart d. *was* content (accent on the first syllable), so maybe this counts: http://www.thestranger.com/current/books2.html anyhow, ignore it if it's not news to you, and thanks to the media scouts who've been posting all the links to b+s news lately ;] lem, who's been enjoying the recent excitement of "Dear Catastrophe Waitress" and looks forward to more petty/profound arguments about the nature of tweedom as we all get worked up and nervous about The Sound of Belle and Sebastian on Trevor Horn, and who is proud to say that she's a bit twee herself __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: bye bye!
by Sillylorna＠aol.com 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

Hey guys, This is just a quick email to say thanks and bye to everyone on the list, I've been on here for bout 18 months now and I've now gone back to being a metal head.. arghhh! lol I'll still go and see B&S and stuff, except I never get time like I use to (wen i was a student i might add!) to read through all your posts. I hope you're all well, especially Rachel sunnyset and Belle! See ya, Lorna PS: For anyone that likes Metallica, I got back stage to meet them on friday at Leeds! Yippppeeeeee!! +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-+ Snipp snapp snut, sa var sagan slut! +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: affectations
by ian 24 Aug '03

24 Aug '03

okay, there's a continuation of the twee discussion at the top of this post. if you're bored pantless of that by now (i wish i really COULD bore the pants off people, it'd be a great trick, but anyway, i'm going off the subject) just go to the bottom, where there's a nice b&s song rip-offy type thing. ------------ this may be a shorter post (queue collective sigh of relief) than normal because my arms are hurting from spending the afternoon being very un-twee and a bit macho and cutting branches off trees. not in a random, bad way you understand. in a nice way, so that the sun shines on the other plants a bit more and allows them to grow. there's a metaphor there somewhere, but i can't be arsed to drag it out. there have been some wise words here recently, notably from robin, edda (hi edda) and idles. some wise words, and some misunderstandings. idleberry and robin, whilst you're correct in saying that, to some, tweeness is an affectation it is equally true that to others it is not. the reason that element of belle and sebastian (and i'm not going to suggest for a moment that its their entirety. if the band weren't multi-faceted, they wouldn't appeal to such a wide range of people) appeals to some of us is that it reflects something we feel inside ourselves. yes, some people may be chasing the twee stereotype (and i maintain that there are worse ones to chase) but to others of us, the 't' factor (as we probably won't call it ever again) connects with something fundamental and pre-existent inside ourselves. we don't have twee tendencies because we listen to belle and sebastian but we may find that one of the reasons we like belle and sebastian is that they can, at times, be a bit twee. 'the boy with naivety succeeds at the final moment i cried i always cry at endings' one of my favourite lines and, to my mind, more than a little t-w-e-e. of course you're correct that a lot of it comes down to how you define the word - you may have noticed, for example, that i don't see twee in QUITE the same way as certain others on this list (now, where did i put that paddle?). robin sees tweeness as something shallow, whereas i believe it can be (but is not always) more fundamental than that. and if i seemed to suggest that sinister was entirely twee, then i should not have done so. clearly, that was incorrect. however, to deny that the element is there is equally incorrect: there are those of us who identify with that word, and to whom it reflects something we feel within ourselves. and, when we came here and discovered it here, it was rather a lovely thing to find. so, to be told that what we're feeling within is, in actual fact, an affectation - or some deluded aspiration - comes as something of a shock. after all.. if this is an affectation, what else is? maybe the whole gay thing was a lie too, and i should be out shagging birds (as i believe the terminology goes) as we speak. really... please don't tell me what i do and don't feel within. not unless you happen to be one of the voices in my head. (oh my god, you aren't, are you? did i imagine you all?) but, you're right... , tweeness can at times be an affectation. as can anything. whenever you view the present through what came before it, you don't see the moment for what it is. your view is distorted by previous events, by 'experience', by prejudice and by a pre-conceived idea of what 'you' might be. if you spend too much time building up a 'you', based on ideas of what that should look, feel and think like, you forget that inside there there's a vibrant, sentient being, capable of responding to any moment with freshness and spontaneity, capable of being so much more than you've ever been before as long as you don't go dumping the past or any ideas of what 'should' be on top of it. everything we cling to is affectation. let it go, and become what you are, right now. but that's easier said than done, innit? it may be daft to become attached to a word, but then, that word can offer a lot of comfort. for now, though, maybe its time to let it go. twe e e e e e e e e e e e THUD there. i am no longer twee. i am simply me. ooh, that sounds like a poem. of a sort. and, with that in mind, here's an affectation that i prepared earlier: (OKAY EVERYBODY THAT SKIM-READ THE TOP BIT, THANKS FOR NOT INSTANTLY PRESSING DELETE. HERE'S THE POINT WHERE YOU MIGHT WANT TO START READING AGAIN). you know the tune - tigermilk, track two.. monday morning wake up knowing that you've got to go to work though last night you drank ten pints and acted like a total jerk do you want to be a builder, wear some pants that show your arse? stand on scaffolding, and leer and shout at women as they pass? and you tell them you'll no longer be a queer one any more wearing white and drinking alcopops has become such a bore your obsession gets you known all round the scene for being strange and they laugh and bitch about you when they think you're out of range in the queue for lunch, you change your mind an indie kid you'll be so you throw out all the kylie and you buy an nme and in there you find opinions and you claim them as your own but you keep that barry white tape 'for the irony alone' you're confused, you're being used and you're trying to be something good, something new and if it all seems hopeless now well just be thankful you aint twee-ee monday morning wake up knowing that you've got to go to work so you ditch the denim flares and fumble for a tie and shirt do you love the corporation? cause they sure as fuck love you just as long as you're of use to them, and after that you're screwed tell a mailing list that something doesn't feel so very right and at times it seems existence is a dull and weary fight they'll stick up for you, perhaps, if they see something good inside so you live life by computer - it seems somewhere safe to hide at the end of it, you age, perhaps the layers drop away or perhaps you build identity to help you through the day do you live life for the moment, do you scrabble to pretend? does the answer to that question change the way the story ends? you've been used, you're confused are you me? are you you? write a song, i'll sing along not for a reason, just because, i think that it might be fun to do. -------------- yeah... words, music, definitions... its all so... false...man i think it might have been lester bangs (although, equally, it might have been lorraine kelly) who said that writing about music was like dancing about architecture. and i know that it was edda that said: *I'll admit that telling people that I *listen to indie is more of an statement than a fact, cause I know that even *though they would tell me the same, they are too listening to "crazy in *love" and shaking there booty. Or at least here... I don't know how it is *with you guys.... and she's right. and, somewhere underneath the 'hello kitty' notepaper i never owned, i'm pretty sure there's a destiny's child cover of frank lloyd wright's greatest hits. and i'm just dying to get my groove on. until next time, my dears, all i have to say to you is do wah diddy diddy dum diddy do no, that wasn't it but it'll do xx ian that wasn't a short mail at all, was it? +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. 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