I thought Nick's song thing was a great idea. I was trying to come up
with a verse myself (bearing in mind Walt Whitman's contention that "the
powerful play goes on and you may contribuite a verse") but couldn't
manage the Murdochesque inflection of Nick's.
Anyhow hooray for Paul, the good shepherd of this List. I think we're
lucky to have him and I want to tell him that he's ace!
I am, sir, your most assuredly happy bunny.
John
xxx
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>From: Nick
>Dastoor/BSHO/GB[SMTP:Nick_Dastoor/BSHO/GB%BSHO@notesgw.compuserve.com]
>Sent: 04 Dec 1997 19:01
>To: sinister
>Subject: Re: Sinister: jesus wept
>
>Sinister: jesus wept
>
>Peter Higgins (p.higgins(a)mailgate.csm-li.co.uk)
>Thu, 04 Dec 1997 13:54:05 +0000
>
>
>>Don't take this personally, but... That pastiche of a B&S song which someone
>suggested we could all add to in a kind of >internet happy clappy
>collaborative
>perfect world vomit inducing experiment type thingy was simply astounding!
>Please >keep such "ideas" to yourself next time, I could do without the kind
>of
>mental upset which your "song" caused me. It's >nonsense like this which
>gives
>fans a bad name. Right, can I go back to sleep now?
>
>Oh dear, I feel like I've had the stuffing knocked out of me. Don't take
>this
>personally but... I think you misunderstood my intentions, character,
>whatever, Peter. Of course my "song" was crap. And no, I don't really
>subscribe to all this global village nonsense either. It was a _joke_.
>Maybe
>not a very good one after all, and of course jokes that fall flat are worse
>when they are in print (well, not print, but you know what I mean) because
>they
>just sit there lurking in their irretrievable, semi-permanent state.
>
>The lines I wrote where supposed to be a piss-take of some of the more
>obvious,
>recurring themes in Stuart Murdoch's songs (esp. the earlier ones). Such as:
>
>* Mentioning misfit girls by name a lot (Jean, Jenny, Judy, Lisa, Jane, etc)
>* Dropping in names of years ('82 in She's Losing It, 1975 and 1995 in The
>State I Am In, 1972 in Me and the Major)
>* Ecclesiastical matters (IYFS, Le Pastie)
>* Not being into the drugs scene (Me and the Major, Photo Jenny, Le Pastie)
>
>I'm not remotely suggesting that these 'sum up' Belle and Sebastian - they're
>the kind of things that if taken to extremes would make for a very dull,
>formulaic twee pile of rubbish. Of course I think there's infinitely more to
>them them than that - they wouldn't be my favourite bands for years if I
>didn't.
>
>But in a light-hearted (crap phrase I know - shades of '..and finally' items
>on
>local news) way I thought maybe others might have spotted other things in
>Belle
>& Sebastian to satirise which they could post as further verses to mine. But
>if no one thinks it's funny or appropriate, I shall bow to your sharp tongue
>(hey - mix those metaphors), consign my thread to the bin and hang my head in
>shame at Manchester Town Hall.
>
>So long,
>Nick
>
>nick_dastoor.bsho(a)notes.compuserve.com
>
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On 05 Dec 1997 08:19:31 +0000, Richard wrote:
>Secondly, with the World Cup comes the World Cup song. How about BandS
>doing the Scotland one, then we can have some solace when we return home
>pointless because we'd have the best song and all the international
>kudos associated with that.
I've said it before, the words to 'Dylan in the Movies' lend
themselves perfectly to the sort of devotion and delicious
sentimentality that football fans know and love. But can you imagine
Belle and Sebastian doing 'Flower of Scotland'. If any voice is suited
to the beautiful defiance and vulnerability of that song, then it's
Stuart Murdoch's. I may be 50% sasernach, but that song gets me every
time.
On the other hand they could just do 'Donald, where's yer troosers?'
Wild Jock McTaggart, Scourge of the Glens
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TwO quick points:
Firstly, is there any further info on the proposed Beat Patrol session
on Radio Scotland over Christmas/New Year - has it even been confirmed
yet?
Secondly, with the World Cup comes the World Cup song. How about BandS
doing the Scotland one, then we can have some solace when we return home
pointless because we'd have the best song and all the international
kudos associated with that.
Richard
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Hello.
Aggi here. I came to Scotland from Athens to see B&S at the 13th note with Tag.
What an experience! I'm glad I saw them at Glasgow. They were suprisingly
unpretentious and theaudience too. Stuart has the most divine voice and I liked
Isobel's tie and bag. I really enjoyed 'I've got smt on my mind', but if only
they played 'Get me away from here, I'm dying', 'Dog on wheels' and 'The state
that I am in'. I should have recorded them. Thanks Tag for inviting me to see
them together. I also met Keith, Andy and Anne. Keith put us under his roof in
Edinburgh! It was a kind of anniversary, since I first listened to them
exactly a year ago, although Tag says that our first contact with B&S was in
October 96 in Athens.
Hello.Kelly here. When are they doing Athens? La vie sera plus belle ensuite,
non? Happy bunnies? What is that about?
Sleep well,
Aggi Kelly
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i dont mean to perpetuate what has been called a "flaming" but i think i
object more to the justification of the "song" (with its A-level bullet
point style breakdown of B&S themes) than i ever did to the
parody/pastiche/joke, which just fell on some stoney ground. i
understand it was a joke, but i spend every day of term doing this to
books i love, stripping away their magic with pieces of A-4, and getting
pissed off with them in the process. i wouldn't ever like this to happen
to music i love.
1. stand by your failures as you would your successes.
2. analysis can
3. sometimes
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----------. It was a _joke_. Maybe
> not a very good one after all, and of course jokes that fall flat are
worse
> when they are in print (well, not print, but you know what I mean)
because they
> just sit there lurking in their irretrievable, semi-permanent state.
i thought it funny, it reminded me of this US comedian ( and i am blocking
on his name! ) who had this stand up routine about meeting morrissey, and
he goes into this morrissey-esque sing-songy voice " Did i tell you i lied
/ and then i cried/ and then i lied... did i tell you i cried? oh, ok"
> The lines I wrote where supposed to be a piss-take of some of the more
obvious,
> recurring themes in Stuart Murdoch's songs (esp. the earlier ones). Such
as:
yes, i think you spotted them alright!
> I'm not remotely suggesting that these 'sum up' Belle and Sebastian -
they're
> the kind of things that if taken to extremes would make for a very dull,
> formulaic twee pile of rubbish. Of course I think there's infinitely
more to
> them them than that - they wouldn't be my favourite bands for years if I
didn't.
agreed 100% there. i really didn't think you were trying to put the band
down.
so, it was silly, but i find parody humorous.
One can make any line into a song by the Fall, by adding '-uh' to the end
of every other word :)
well, maybe that is only funny after having a few drinks and singing old
bob dylan songs as if Mark E. Smith was singing... 'hey-uh, mr tambourine
man-uh, come play your song-uh for ME!' you get the picture. ( side note -
when MES recently sacked the band, it was reported he wanted to go on stage
solo and do beachboys songs, oh i wish it was true... )
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Perhaps you've all read this but I just came accross it and thought I'd
mention it. The 11/14 issue of Salon contains an article about Belle &
Sebastian written by Nick Hornby.
http://www.salonmagazine.com
Sorry if this is old news - I've only been subscribed for a week and a
half.
Chris
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I have now moved house, you will be pleased to hear, so if anyone in the UK
(sorry all you foreigners !!) wants a copy of Tigermilk, then mail me and I'll
see what I can do.
Okay then, don't all rush at once.....Ben.
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