>Thankyou! I have looked in on the B&S-and-Lemurs page to see what it was
like, and although I could not be connected to the B&S part I now know what
them beasts are! I've seen them in the zoo! Only here in Holland they are
called "Ringstaartmaki". Not that you wanted to know.....
Eeyore, is that Dutch for "Ring-tailed-lemur", or just a generic name for lemurs?
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Talking of swapping, I have a (the?) Bis record which I can't seem to get
rid of in a profitable way. Anyone got anything to offer in return?
Eeyore
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At 07:54 PM 11/13/97 +0000, you wrote:
>> Remember this list is about BELLE +
>> SEBASTIAN!!!!
>
the duke:
>and herein lies the eternal Pop dilemma: for what
>purposes do you use Pop? for what purpose do you
>use Belle & Sebastian? me, i'm a firm believer in
>the concept of Pop as personal life informant,
>reflector, enabler, distorter and lover. and
>probably a load of other things too. See i don't
>think belle & sebastian are about music. i don't
>understand music at all. in fact i might go so
>far as to say i hate music, and it's here where i
>doubtless fall foul of many people, including i
>don't doubt all those members of the band who just
>love the bloody stuff and who witter on about the
>music saying everything it needs to and then
>shutting up. actually i don't mind that so much,
>what i do mind is people who will only endlessly
>consume the facts of belle and sebastian, that are
>concerned with hearing only about product and what
>songs they played at such and such a show and what
>did stuart say between songs? all interesting
>stuff, perhaps (but only perhaps), but for me,
>what REALLY makes me smile and gush about the
>appeal of belle and sebastian is the way in which
>people are here openly displaying to us something
>of THEIR lives, of the ways in which this Pop has
>touched them, moved them, informed and deformed
>the ways in which their moments pass.
>
>long may you prosper. (although a few less posts
>about lemurs would be good... oh and who mentioned
>meerkats? the wolfhounds production team were
>called the meerkats, were they not? Tim?)
>
>love and slobbering kisses to anyone who deserves
>it.
Hear, hear!
Eeyore
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>> I cannot find the address of this B&S plus lemurs page anymore.
>> Could someone give it to me? I am extremely bored at work today.
>>
>> Sven
>
>The address you are after is:
>*** http://www.reepham.demon.co.uk/index.htm ***
>
>So there you go!
>
>Rob
Thankyou! I have looked in on the B&S-and-Lemurs page to see what it was
like, and although I could not be connected to the B&S part I now know what
them beasts are! I've seen them in the zoo! Only here in Holland they are
called "Ringstaartmaki". Not that you wanted to know.....
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>I didn't want to admit this before but I am feeling, for the first time
< in rather a while, proud to actually be a Hearts fan and
< even worse a shareholder ( novelty Xmas present from a
< fanatic father). Wahey!! top of the league!!. What's even
< better is that I live with a Rangers fan.
Jesus, Claire. That's brutal!
< This is terrible, I'm getting excited
< about football. I'm well and truly bored...........
< Claire.
<" My toes can talk and they're smiling at me" - isn't that such a good
lyric?
YES! My favourite ever Galaxie 500 song. I used to play it first
thing in the morning and then again last thing at night for
----------about four years. Then I got the box set last year and I'm
doing it all over again!
The Archdeacon of Pop.
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From: Claire Timmins <timminsc(a)tcd.ie>
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In a pub once Tim suggested that all Great Pop is
written from the perspective of being 16. Not
that all Great Pop was ABOUT being 16, but rather
that it encompassed a certain sense of excitement
and tremulous anticipation that the IDEA of being
16 conjures in us. I find this argument
seductive, just as I find seductive the idea that
the moment to which we return and find each time
slightly altered by the passing of our elliptical
routes before we then embark on another of those
roads to (inevitably) nowhere, is also rooted
deeply in adolescence.
Richard Hell once suggested that adolescence was
the most important part of your life, and that the
extent to which you stay true to the ideals you
develop at that time is the extent to which you
stay Alive. And I think this hits on the point I
feel I currently find myself believing in more and
more.
[Keith Watson]
Indeed this is a fantastic argument, responsibilities of adulthood are only
there if you wish to take them - of course there are a few things there,
paying bills and stuff but mainly I still feel like I'm 16 any, in fact I
feel like I'm 9, I don't feel like I've ever felt any different, people
constantly bombard you with the idea that you're going to grow out of stuff
like this, all your life (incidentally, this is kind of what I take
"everybody's trying to make us a century of fakers" to mean - or at least,
this is how I like to take it). People force themselves to forget about the
things they once enjoyed indeed loved, just since they feel like it doesn't
fit in with the way they're expected to behave. I'm never going to grow up,
I can't see it, I've been told all my life I will and I haven't yet and
long may it continue. It's like the difference between feeling alive and
dead.
Perhaps this is the eternal curse and saving grace
of the Pop Generation, or at least the Pop
obsessives; that the refusal to accept the
responsibility of adulthood and the fact that we
find Pop altering our perceptions of importance
results in an ongoing obsession with a return to
adolescence. That the true revolutionary spirit
of Pop is not to overthrow governments and systems
of media oppression through direct action, but by
collusion, by exisiting in a peter pan like bubble
of myopia. Perhaps, like the Mods'
pharmaceutically induced disinterest in sex, the
Pop generation will grow to refuse the concept of
family, will deny the importance of familial
responsibility in favour of the endless song, the
endless rave, the endless summer of love.
[Keith Watson]
Indeed I don't believe it'll ever overthrow the government, but it can do
much much more - changing people's attitudes to things is one thing - to
take a trivial example... Look at the telly and see how often people swear,
all the time now, and then think of the uproar with the Sexpistols on the
Bill Grundy show 21 years ago. The affect that these people have is far too
subtle to be able to explain definitively but it's definitely there.
Cheers,
Keith.
ps: I kind of liked Blissed Out, I think he writes well about the stuff he
likes, it's more just his views on the stuff he doesn't like that are
strange, well, you can't expect everyone to like everything. Having said
that "The Sex Revolts" which is another Simon Reynolds book is not quite as
interesting.
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speaking of new order...how about the line in "your silent face" which goes
"you've caught me at a bad time...so why don't you piss off?"
always makes me laugh...
[Keith Watson]
That's what I was thinking too - funny line.
I must say as well it's bloody impossible to speak about Belle and
Sebastian all the time, all that happens is you wind up doing stupid things
like having top 10 fave songs which is OK for about two or three, but 6
weeks later, especially for a band who have only 2 LP's and the majority of
people have pretty similar top 10's.
I do realise that it may look like a few private conversations are going
on too, but anyone's free to join in - it's really part of the natural
process of getting to know people. Peter's comment about the fans being
just as important as the band is completely true in my eyes.
Peter - got the Amon Duul tape - thanks a lot, it's well good, I've been a
very bad (and tired) boy and haven't sent it off yet - I'll post it this
weekend
Tag - To answer some of the questions that drink got in the way of the
other night - first concert : Fish (of all people - why did it have to be
him), first record : Mirror man - Human League (bought "Raiders of the Pop
Charts" on the same day). And what stuff do I like - long list, lets start
somewhere. Beatles, Stones, Hendrix, Who, Zombies, MC5 Stooges, Floyd, Girl
Groups, Marvin Gaye, James Brown, Sly Stone, Stevie Wonder, Isaac Hayes,
Funkadelic, Roxy Music, David Bowie, Can, Amon Duul (now!), Eno,
Television, Patti Smith, Richard Hell, Talking Heads, Blondie, Sexpistols,
Clash, Stranglers, Buzzcocks, Wire, Echo+Bunnymen, Joy Division, JAMC,
House of Love, House Music, Acid House, Hip hop, Trip hop (just discovered
I'd pent 300 quid on mo wax records over the past few years), Massive
Attack, Stone Roses, Happy Mondays, Verve, Dr.Feelgood, La's, Bob Marley,
ACDC, Motorhead, Primal Scream, KLF, Talk Talk, My Bloody Valentine,
Sparks, T-Rex, Suicide, Spacemen 3, Simple Minds, De La Soul, Public Enemy,
DJ Shadow, Warren G, Notorious BIG, Young MC, New Order, Ultra Vivid
Scene.... Christ, this is getting like the conveyor belt round in the
Generation game, I'll have to stop.
Susannah : Ahhaa - a "recreate Tigermilk" record sleeve, sorry I've been
away for a couple of days, well, I've recreated it bar not being a girl,
and not having a tiger. If you're feeling sinister's more tricky as I can
hardly read, 3,6,9's especially difficult as I'm not Stuart Murdoch, oh and
to answer your question it's Stuart David on A Century of Elvis.
Cheers,
Keith - finally recovered from the hell that was the UK's national Bill
Gates conference.
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Simon Collins asked:
>And has anyone else heard anyone cover a B&S song ? I heard a bloke called John do "My wandering days are over" in a cafe called Victor J's in York, kind of like Thom Yorke sings Belle and Sebastian. It was a really good
version and I think it would be nice to hear someone like Beth Orton do a
cover or even a duet.
Are you connected with the Performing Rights Society, Simon? I know of a group from the Leicester/Loughborough area (England) who once did a great live cover of 'Judy & the Dream of Horses', (but I'm sure they never received a penny for playing it!!). They've also covered the Go Betweens' 'Don't Let Him Come Back'. Slip me a fiver, and I might tell their name.
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. Maybe we should save time for those
who want to head straight for the bits they want and put special
headings on the top of each message.
i thnk that is a good idea. i have no problem hitting delete a lot, but on
another mailing list ( for The Fall ) people would start the subject line
with "NFC" ( and at first i thought they were going to talk about the
packers, cowboys and 49ers...), which mean No Fall Content. It makes life
easy I guess on people who can use their computers to filter out such
things, they can scan for that set of letters. maybe NBSC can be used to
designate a message with zero band information, comments, or what have you?
just a suggestion, carry on!
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> De : susannah <susannah(a)tormentor.clara.net>
> A : B&S <sinister(a)majordomo.net>
> Objet : Sinister: Three things
> Date : jeudi 13 novembre 1997 20:44
> Other favourite moments on records: New Order 'Every Little Counts' on
> Brotherhood where Barney sings the line 'I think you are a pig and
should live
> in a zoo' and starts giggling.
> Others please.
speaking of new order...how about the line in "your silent face" which goes
"you've caught me at a bad time...so why don't you piss off?"
always makes me laugh...
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